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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
* See [[Wikisource:Bots]]  for information about applying for a bot status
* See [[Wikisource:Bot requests]] if you require an existing bot to undertake a task

==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

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* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

—[[User:SWilson (WMF)|SWilson (WMF)]] ([[User talk:SWilson (WMF)|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product|Trust and Safety Product team]] is finalizing work needed to roll out [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|temporary accounts]] on large Wikipedias later this month. The team has worked with stewards and other users with extended rights to predict and address many use cases that may arise on larger wikis, so that community members can continue to effectively moderate and patrol temporary accounts. This will be the second of three phases of deployment – the last one will take place in September at the earliest. For more information about the recent developments on the project, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/Updates|see this update]]. If you have any comments or questions, write on the [[mw:Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts|talk page]], and [[m:Event:CEE Catch up Nr. 10 (June 2025)|join a CEE Catch Up]] this Tuesday.

'''Updates for editors'''
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]] The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Watchlist expiry|watchlist expiry]] feature allows editors to watch pages for a limited period of time. After that period, the page is automatically removed from your watchlist. Starting this week, you can set a preference for the default period of time to watch pages. The [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist-pageswatchlist|preferences]] also allow you to set different default watch periods for editing existing pages, pages you create, and when using rollback. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T265716]
[[File:Talk pages default look (April 2023).jpg|thumb|alt=Screenshot of the visual improvements made on talk pages|Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.]]
* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
* Users with specific extended rights (including administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, and stewards) can now have IP addresses of all temporary accounts [[phab:T358853|revealed automatically]] during time-limited periods where they need to combat high-speed account-hopping vandalism. This feature was requested by stewards. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T386492]
* This week, the Moderator Tools and Machine Learning teams will continue the rollout of [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], releasing it to several more Wikipedias. This filter utilizes the Revert Risk model, which was created by the Research team, to highlight edits that are likely to be reverted and help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic contributions. The feature will be rolled out to the following Wikipedias: {{int:project-localized-name-afwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-bnwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-cywiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-hawwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-iswiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-kkwiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-simplewiki/en}}{{int:comma-separator/en}}{{int:project-localized-name-trwiki/en}}. The rollout will continue in the coming weeks to include [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|the rest of the Wikipedias in this project]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T391964]
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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* AbuseFilter editors active on Meta-Wiki and large Wikipedias are kindly asked to update AbuseFilter to make it compatible with temporary accounts. A link to the instructions and the private lists of filters needing verification are [[phab:T369611|available on Phabricator]].
* Lua modules now have access to the name of a page's associated thumbnail image, and on [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/operations/mediawiki-config/+/2e4ab14aa15bb95568f9c07dd777065901eb2126/wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php#10849 some wikis] to the WikiProject assessment information. This is possible using two new properties on [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual#added-by-extensions|mw.title objects]], named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;pageImage&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;pageAssessments&lt;/code&gt;. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131911][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T380122]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.5|MediaWiki]]

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&lt;bdi lang=&quot;en&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]]&lt;/bdi&gt; 01:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: See [[wikitech:Deployment train#Groups]]. In a nutshell: mediawiki updates are progressively rolled out in groups; we're in group 2, so we get them on wednesdays; as opposed to mediawikiwiki being in group 1 (tuesday) and enwiki being in group 3 (thursday). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for explaining! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
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}
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Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-21 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/21|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

'''Updates for editors'''

* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
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* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

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Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

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[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

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* From May 20, 2025, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Oversight policy|oversighters]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Meta:CheckUsers|checkusers]] will need to have their accounts secured with two-factor authentication (2FA) to be able to use their advanced rights. All users who belong to these two groups and do not have 2FA enabled have been informed. In the future, this requirement may be extended to other users with advanced rights. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Mandatory two-factor authentication for users with some extended rights|Learn more]].
* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
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* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: See [[wikitech:Deployment train#Groups]]. In a nutshell: mediawiki updates are progressively rolled out in groups; we're in group 2, so we get them on wednesdays; as opposed to mediawikiwiki being in group 1 (tuesday) and enwiki being in group 3 (thursday). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you for explaining! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

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== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* [[File:Octicons-gift.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Wishlist item]]  [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|Multiblocks]] will begin mass deployment by the end of the month: all non-Wikipedia projects plus Catalan Wikipedia will adopt Multiblocks in the week of May 26, while all other Wikipedias will adopt it in the week of June 2. Please [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Multiblocks|contact the team]] if you have concerns. Administrators can test the new user interface now on your own wiki by browsing to [{{fullurl:Special:Block|usecodex=1}} {{#special:Block}}?usecodex=1], and can test the full multiblocks functionality [[testwiki:Special:Block|on testwiki]]. Multiblocks is the feature that makes it possible for administrators to impose different types of blocks on the same user at the same time. See the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|help page]] for more information. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

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Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

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* Later this week, the [[{{#special:SpecialPages}}]] listing of almost all special pages will be updated with a new design. This page has been [[phab:T219543|redesigned]] to improve the user experience in a few ways, including: The ability to search for names and aliases of the special pages, sorting, more visible marking of restricted special pages, and a more mobile-friendly look. The new version can be [https://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages previewed] at Beta Cluster now, and feedback shared in the task. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T219543]
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
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* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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:::Thank you for explaining! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

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== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
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* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Announcements =
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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
* See [[Wikisource:Bots]]  for information about applying for a bot status
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
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* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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:::Thank you for explaining! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

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== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
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* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Announcements =
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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
* See [[Wikisource:Bots]]  for information about applying for a bot status
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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'''Weekly highlight'''
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* The appearance of talk pages will change at almost all Wikipedias ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2024/19|some]] have already received this design change, [[phab:T379264|a few]] will get these changes later). You can read details about the changes [[diffblog:2024/05/02/making-talk-pages-better-for-everyone/|on ''Diff'']]. It is possible to opt out of these changes [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion|in user preferences]] (&quot;{{int:discussiontools-preference-visualenhancements}}&quot;). [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319146][https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392121]
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:NOTE: The default watchlist expiry time feature isn't available on here and it isn't available on enwiki or commons either. It ''is'' available on mediawikiwiki though, and I'm not sure why. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
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:::Thank you for explaining! [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 16:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Chart extension]] is being enabled on more wikis. For a detailed list of when the extension will be enabled on your wiki, please read the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|deployment timeline]].
* [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Main Page|Wikifunctions]] will be deployed on May 27 on five Wiktionaries: [[wikt:ha:|Hausa]], [[wikt:ig:|Igbo]], [[wikt:bn:|Bengali]], [[wikt:ml:|Malayalam]], and [[wikt:dv:|Dhivehi/Maldivian]]. This is the second batch of deployment planned for the project. After deployment, the projects will be able to call [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Introduction|functions from Wikifunctions]] and integrate them in their pages. A function is something that takes one or more inputs and transforms them into a desired output, such as adding up two numbers, converting miles into metres, calculating how much time has passed since an event, or declining a word into a case. Wikifunctions will allow users to do that through a simple call of [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Catalogue|a stable and global function]], rather than via a local template.
* Later this week, the Wikimedia Foundation will publish a hub for [[diffblog:2024/07/09/on-the-value-of-experimentation/|experiments]]. This is to showcase and get user feedback on product experiments. The experiments help the Wikimedia movement [[diffblog:2023/07/13/exploring-paths-for-the-future-of-free-knowledge-new-wikipedia-chatgpt-plugin-leveraging-rich-media-social-apps-and-other-experiments/|understand new users]], how they interact with the internet and how it could affect the Wikimedia movement. Some examples are [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Generated Video|generated video]], the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Roblox game|Wikipedia Roblox speedrun game]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Future Audiences/Discord bot|the Discord bot]].
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:29}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:29|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]]. For example, there was a bug with creating an account using the API, which has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390751]

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Gadgets and user scripts that interact with [[{{#special:Block}}]] may need to be updated to work with the new [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Manage blocks|manage blocks interface]]. Please review the [[mw:Help:Manage blocks/Developers|developer guide]] for more information. If you need help or are unable to adapt your script to the new interface, please let the team know on the [[mw:Help talk:Manage blocks/Developers|talk page]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T377121]
* The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.title&lt;/code&gt; object allows you to get information about a specific wiki page in the [[w:en:Wikipedia:Lua|Lua]] programming language. Starting this week, a new property will be added to the object, named &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;isDisambiguationPage&lt;/code&gt;. This property allows you to check if a page is a disambiguation page, without the need to write a custom function. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71441]
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|15px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] User script developers can use a [[toolforge:gitlab-content|new reverse proxy tool]] to load javascript and css from [[gitlab:|gitlab.wikimedia.org]] with &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mw.loader.load&lt;/code&gt;. The tool's author hopes this will enable collaborative development workflows for user scripts including linting, unit tests, code generation, and code review on &lt;bdi lang=&quot;zxx&quot; dir=&quot;ltr&quot;&gt;gitlab.wikimedia.org&lt;/bdi&gt; without a separate copy-and-paste step to publish scripts to a Wikimedia wiki for integration and acceptance testing. See [[wikitech:Tool:Gitlab-content|Tool:Gitlab-content on Wikitech]] for more information.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.2|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* The 12th edition of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wiki Workshop 2025|Wiki Workshop 2025]], a forum that brings together researchers that explore all aspects of Wikimedia projects, will be held virtually on 21-22 May. Researchers can [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/wikiworkshop2025/ register now].

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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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''(Apologies for posting in English, if this is not your first language)''

Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
[[File:Million Wiki Logo - Colored.svg|200px|right]]
Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-22 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/22|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

'''Updates for editors'''
* Since last week, on all wikis except [[phab:T388604|the largest 20]], people using the mobile visual editor will have [[phab:T385851|additional tools in the menu bar]], accessed using the new &lt;code&gt;+&lt;/code&gt; toolbar button. To start, the new menu will include options to add: citations, hieroglyphs, and code blocks. Deployment to the remaining wikis is [[phab:T388605|scheduled]] to happen in June.
* [[File:Octicons-tools.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Advanced item]] The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##ifexist|#ifexist]]&lt;/code&gt; parser function will no longer register a link to its target page. This will improve the usefulness of [[{{#special:WantedPages}}]], which will eventually only list pages that are the target of an actual red link. This change will happen gradually as the source pages are updated. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T14019]
* This week, the Moderator Tools team will launch [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/2025 RecentChanges Language Agnostic Revert Risk Filtering|a new filter to Recent Changes]], starting at Indonesian Wikipedia. This new filter highlights edits that are likely to be reverted. The goal is to help Recent Changes patrollers identify potentially problematic edits. Other wikis will benefit from this filter in the future.
* Upon clicking an empty search bar, logged-out users will see suggestions of articles for further reading. The feature will be available on both desktop and mobile. Readers of Catalan, Hebrew, and Italian Wikipedias and some sister projects will receive the change between May 21 and mid-June. Readers of other wikis will receive the change later. The goal is to encourage users to read the wikis more. [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Reading/Web/Content Discovery Experiments/Search Suggestions|Learn more]].
* Some users of the Wikipedia Android app can use a new feature for readers, [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Apps/Team/Android/TrivaGame|WikiGames]], a daily trivia game based on real historical events. The release has started as an A/B test, available to 50% of users in the following languages: English, French, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, and Turkish.
* The [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Newsletter|Newsletter extension]] that is available on MediaWiki.org allows the creation of [[mw:Special:Newsletters|various newsletters]] for global users. The extension can now publish new issues as section links on an existing page, instead of requiring a new page for each issue. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T393844]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:32}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:32|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* The previously deprecated &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Ipblocks table|ipblocks]]&lt;/code&gt; views in [[wikitech:Help:Wiki Replicas|Wiki Replicas]] will be removed in the beginning of June. Users are encouraged to query the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block table|block]]&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Manual:Block target table|block_target]]&lt;/code&gt; views instead.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.45/wmf.3|MediaWiki]]

'''Meetings and events'''
* [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects|Wikidata and Sister Projects]] is a multi-day online event that will focus on how Wikidata is integrated to Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects. The event runs from May 29 – June 1. You can [[d:Special:MyLanguage/Event:Wikidata and Sister Projects#Sessions|read the Program schedule]] and [[d:Special:RegisterForEvent/1291|register]].

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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:''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement|{{int:interlanguage-link-mul}}]] • [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&amp;group=page-{{urlencode:Wikimedia Foundation elections/2025/Announcement/Selection announcement}}&amp;language=&amp;action=page&amp;filter= {{int:please-translate}}]''

Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
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* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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= Announcements =

= Proposals =
== Overriding Vector 2022 paragraph spacing ==
Since the forced deployment in November 2024, and multiple discussions including [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing], [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding V22 paragraph spacing|2]], [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Switching to the Vector 2022 skin: the final date|3]], and [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#Deployment of Vector 2022|4]], the idea of overriding the excessive paragraph spacing from V22 was floated multiple times. V22 raised the 0.9em spacing between paragraphs to 1.5em, which broke content that expected text to have similar size across skins (notably but not only {{tl|overfloat image}}).

This proposal is therefore to add to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-Site.css]]:
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot;&gt;
.mw-body p {
    margin:0.4em 0 0.5em 0;
}
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;

Technical notes:
* this should have neither false positives nor false negatives given that &lt;code&gt;.mw-body p&lt;/code&gt; is the exact same selector used by V22.
* if site.css is loaded before the skin css, then we can just add a &lt;code&gt;html &lt;/code&gt; at the start of the selector: will not change the selection (given everything's in an html), and will give it more specificity (0,1,2 vs 0,1,1).
* 0.4em 0 0.5em 0 is exactly how it was in V10.
* this may stop working one day whenever WMF decides to IDHT another change through; but so can the entire website, and at least we'll have a fix. If it stops working, we can easily remove it and go back to our current state of having broken content.
— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} as proposer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}}, strongly. Thanks for starting the vote! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:58, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{support}} [[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 16:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

= Bot approval requests =
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==[[User:333Bot]]==
(See also [[#Thinking of an anti-linkrot bot]].)

For non-scan backed works, sometimes the original webpage disappears and we lose the source. This task would archive automatically sources in new mainspace/talk pages at the wayback machine, and add {{tl|wml}}.

To avoid archiving vandalism, it would only do this on pages older than a week. (It won't search beyond the 2000th created page.)

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. Source's at [[User:Alien333/test#Link archiving]].

The idea would be to run this daily. Test edits: [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14252&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001840] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Executive_Order_14251&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15001919]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
: As nearly two weeks have passed without objections, I activated this task per [[WS:BOT]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:: The run is over. Before launching the cronjob I will change the code to prevent it from archiving links in mainspace works' content (there are few valid reasons for extlinks in works; but there are some). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Did that, started cronjob. Will run at 16h14 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Note: For the last few days, it was stopped by an IA error on a certain page. I have now made it not crash on IA errors. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

==[[User:333Bot]] 2==
(See also [[#Seeking feedback on bot task to tag untagged deletion nominations]] for details and discussion.)

Works proposed for deletion at [[WS:PD]] or &lt;s&gt;[[WS:PD]]&lt;/s&gt;&lt;ins&gt;[[WS:CV]]&lt;/ins&gt; should be accordingly tagged. Occasionally, people forget to tag them. This task would locate these and tag them.

It uses pywikibot on toolforge. The code's at [[User:Alien333/test#Nomination_tagging]]. It would run daily. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:WS:PD or WS:PD ? Aren't they the same ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're right. Got mixed up. Meant PD and CV. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Heads up: I started the cronjob. (No untagged nominations rn, so may do no edits.) Runs will occur at about 5h40 UTC. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:27, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

=Repairs (and moves)=

'''Designated for requests related to the repair of works (and scans of works) presented on Wikisource'''

See also [[Wikisource:Scan lab]]

== Explanatory Notes Indices ==
Please move the following indices to their new corresponding filename
* [[Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf]]
[[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: Errr. Feel free to trout me, but I don't understand what you're asking for.
: As in, move which pages to which titles? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::* Index:Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-16 qp).pdf
::* Index:Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003 (UKPGA 2003-31 qp).pdf
::* Index:Defamation Act 2013 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Defamation Act 2013 (UKPGA 2013-26 qp).pdf
::* Index:Modern Slavery Act 2015 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Modern Slavery Act 2015 (UKPGA 2015-30 qp).pdf
::* Index:Live Music Act 2012 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Live Music Act 2012 (UKPGA 2012-2 qp).pdf
::* Index:Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 Explanatory Notes.pdf to Index:Explanatory Notes - Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 (UKPGA 2011-14 qp).pdf
::This is to match filename move at commons. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 19:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

= Other discussions =
== [[Contra-Props]] ==

This article was published in a British magazine in 1941; the author died in 1946. Would this be still in copyright ? Or PD ?

(This was the subject of a previous query here which got archived without being answered - [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#1941_UK_publication]]) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
: Looks copyrighted to me. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
: Unless there's some reason they count as a US work, all UK works were restored by the URAA. The few exceptions are either Crown Copyright or were published by authors who died before 1926.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 23:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - I have put it as apparant copyright violation - [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Contra-Props]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That page has now been deleted so this query can be closed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Manual indexing of news articles versus Automatic indexing of news articles ==

I want to convert [[Brooklyn Eagle]] to an automatic-index instead of the hand-curated index. The hand curated index looks pretty, but is always missing articles. We can have [[The Brooklyn Eagle]] as the pretty one. See how it is done at [[Jersey Journal]], scroll to the bottom and there is a link to the pretty hand-curated list, missing many articles. This is similar to how Commons does it, you have automatic index at Category:Foo, and hand curated one as Foo, that is always missing entries. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:More automated curation of Periodicals and Newspapers on this site in the future would in general be a good thing - there's a lot of good work being done across a lot of these works but the process of creating the main-space pages for them can get very tedious and repetitive. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose had to write janky programs to semi-automate their individual workflows for some of these works.
:Your idea of a distinction between '''The Somewhere Argus''' and '''Somewhere Argus''' is interesting (and as I'm not a big user of wikimedia, not something I've particularly noticed on that site), but it doesn't seem particularly intuitive to me that one should be a raw list and another a curated view (or which way round those should be, and it seems quite a big departure from how work is generally presented here. Is it done anywhere else on this site? In the past I've seen a lot of resistance to the same work being included in different main-space pages. 
:In terms of a curated view, that may be better done by creating a Portal for that work. For example, when I worked through the July-Dec 1914 volumes of [[Punch]], I created a summary of all of the books reviewed in that volume which I put here: [[Portal:Punch/Reviewed Books]], that wouldn't really have been appropriate to put in the main page. 
:Alternatively, what's stopping you from having a list of highlights and the automatic index linked from the same page? That's effectively what [[The New York Times]] does - some of the issues are highlighted (those for which enough work has been done for them to have a complete contents page) but for the rest, there are year-based automatic lists using the {{tl|header periodical}} template. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 09:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:* You are right, &quot;Portal:Brooklyn Eagle&quot; would be best for the hand curated ones, we should standardize on that, and migrate older ones to that format. Currently there are six styles of indexes for magazines and newspapers. There were at least ten different styles before I tried to standardized them. I eliminated the ones that were experimental one-of-a-kind ones. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Don't we already have a standard format, as documented at [[Wikisource:Periodical guidelines]] ? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:By the way, I fixed [[Jersey Journal]]. There shouldn't be two separate mainspace pages for the same work, so I deleted the one that was simply a dump of subpages, and replaced it with the properly structured list that was previously located at [[The Jersey Journal]].
:In general, the automatic subpage listing should only be used as a temporary stop-gap until a proper page listing can be created. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::To your original point though - if you can find a way to automatically list all subpages, whether or not they have already been created, and in the correct order they appear in the publication, then that would be amazing and definitely we'd all make extensive use of such a system. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 21:14, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Automate portals, have them point to Main.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

==QuickSurveys==
Apparently some new “feature” has been forced upon us again. These are annoying pop-up boxes which really mess up the formatting, especially if whatever text at the top of the page is centered (as it often is). Can this be disabled by default for everyone? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: Dropped a task ([[phab:T393436]]) to ask them to not barge into the content like this, but I don't have much hope.
: And no, this extension and its parameters are a wmf thing, so we can't really do anything on our own. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you tell me the steps to reproduce this issue? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I can see it on any page that I open (and it is very disturbing), so if you do not, you might have it disabled in your preferences. See also the screenshots uploaded to the above linked phabricator task. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't. I'm trying to figure out which settings the original person has to see why he sees it, but if you're seeing it also, that is odd to me. I'm not sure why anyone is seeing this. I'm not. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::In the preferences under the &quot;User profile&quot; tab there is a section &quot;QuickSurvey extension&quot; where the surveys can be set as hidden. Currently logged out users also do not see it, but if this feature stays, we can imo expect it will be used to display messages (e.g. pleas for funding) to them as well. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: These things are highly targetable and targeted, see [[mw:Extension:QuickSurveys]]. Probably you aren't counted as an active patroller here (and this precise survey is about patrolling tools). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just an example of what I am seeing: [https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/wvrcadows4ftokyz3lyg/PHID-FILE-udsgsisdj2hq2uuva46d/screenshot3jpg.jpg] --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
*Another awful example: [[Charter Granted by Queen Elizabeth to the East India Company]]. This time, the pop-up is within the delete template. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*: Well, it just barges into the first thing it finds. They don't appear to be actively paying attention to tasks, and I don't expect them to pay attention to user feedback either, so this probably won't be fixed for a good while. My two cents are go disable it in your settings.
*: At least we've got the comfort most users don't see it.... But of course they make whatever surveys they want targeting whoever they want, so it's not that unlikely that this will become a problem for everyone in the near future.
*: Aaaahh, deploying breaking changes with no discussion, no warning, no community opt-out, and without listening to feedback. Becoming a habit, isn't it? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:43, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::It's showing up for me too.  Once I disable it on one project, then I get it on another.  Those of us who regularly visit multiple projects are going to be the most annoyed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:50, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::: Did you check the global settings? Perhaps there you can opt-out for all projects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::I don't even have the option of using the same skin globally. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
*::::: That's weird. So like, when you go [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin here], you don't see a &quot;Skin&quot;, a checkbox on whether to make it a default setting, and radio buttons with the options? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Might I suggest the following solution? : &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;#bodyContent .ext-quick-survey-panel {display:none;}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 00:57, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::There's a setting to always hide them; the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole (except through site css, but Xover is the only active intadmin and has shown much reticence to adding that kind of stuff (see [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css#Overriding_V22_paragraph_spacing]])). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: If that is an issue, we can simply come to a consensus, as a community, that the QS system needs to be blocked, and direct him to make the appropriate changes reflecting that consensus. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 12:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:Yes, the reticence of one admin should not override community consensus, and Xover knows that as well as the rest of us :) (that being said, I think a proper proposal would be necessary to determine consensus for something like this) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::Is amending the user profile, as stated by Jan above, not a good enough solution ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:11, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*::: From the technical standpoint, yes, changing site CSS is 99% sure to work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::*:::As Alien333 said, the concern is about not being able to opt out the community as a whole - and you can't do that with the user profile. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

== Second pair of eyes for unclear letter ==

At [[Page:Poems Hornblower.djvu/110]], the last letter of {{tqi|Draw with their very breath—the poisonous faith}} is not super clear. I think I see the beginning of the arch of an h going right from the vertical bar after the t, but I'd appreciate if someone could give a quick look and confirm or not. (Compare also the {{tqi|faith}} from {{tqi|The world's cold faith,}} a few lines above.) Thanks, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
:I think your assessment is good.  &quot;poisonous faith&quot; works with &quot;inglorious views&quot; and the soul straying from a &quot;diviner walk&quot;.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::I agree; scans of different copies of the same book show the same misprinting ([https://books.google.com/books?id=ox1kAAAAcAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 BL], [https://books.google.com/books?id=fCQOAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA98 Bod]), but the start of the arch of the 'h' is just visible in all. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Thanks to both. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Billingual template with Welsh Parliament Acts ==

The formatting problems that @[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] complained about in [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] could be fixed by using the {{tl|Bilingual}} template, however this creates its own formatting problems which I have shown at [[Wikisource:Sandbox]]. Additionally, the page numbers don't match up because the page numbers go up every second page due to the welsh version of a page using the same page number as the corresponding english version. Does anyone know how to fix this. 

Additionally, could someone make a version of the Bilingual template that could be more useful for longer works such as [[Index:Historic Environment (Wales) Act 2023 (ASC 2023-3 kp).pdf]] so whoever ends up working on that doesn't have to use the template over 200 times in one page. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure about the code for this, but would it be possible to transclude multiple pages at once like [[Template:Side by side]] using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;pages&gt;&lt;/code&gt; syntax, but reset the display each page so that the first lines of each page line up? I'm sure there's some struggle with that preserving the indents using colons like appears when using [[Template:Bilingual]]... [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 21:18, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
::The current practice for bitexts like this, is to transclude the English here, and the alternate pages at the Wikisource for the other language.  The two can then be linked to each other in the notes section of the header.  There are some exceptions here, and you can see an example at [[Modern Czech Poetry/October sonnet]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The Welsh elements of [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] have been moved over to Welsh Wikisource, and the pages have been linked in Wikidata and mentioned in the notes section! [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[:File:Weird Tales Volume 13 Number 06 (1929-06).djvu]] ==

This was originally uploaded to Commons with pages that were still in copyright redacted. Those are now out of copyright. What is the best way to restore them ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:Upload a new version of the file over the top of what's there. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
: That's assuming that placeholders were left. If not, then we need to first shift the Page:s to give room for the added pages. I can do that; ping me if it's needed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you both. Yes, on this one, there are blank pages where the text was redacted, so taht should work fine. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:03, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== HathiTrust ==

[[Help:Image extraction#HathiTrust]] no longer works me; when I try running it, I just get Error 403.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 08:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't tried any programs myself, but there are a few image downloader programs for HathiTrust available on GitHub, [https://github.com/Addono/HathiTrust-downloader this one for example]. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of HathiTrust can vouch for a particular method. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:22, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

== Linking to Explanatory Notes for UK Legislation ==

@[[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] @[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] I've seen 3 different ways of linking to Explanatory Notes currently seen at [[Welsh Elections (Coronavirus) Act 2021]], [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]], and [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] and I feel like we should have some consistency with how we link to Explanatory Notes. How should we go about linking to Explanatory Notes. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

:I did Welsh as I did because the King's Printer version included a formal title page including the mention of the explanatory notes. With Fixed Term Parliaments, it doesn't have that page, so the inclusion of the note makes sense. We could add that to ones that do have the title page. I personally don't know if using the &quot;next&quot; parameter like in Specialist Printing is best, because it prevents us from using that parameter to link to the next act that year, if that's something we wanted to do. I know it's done in some other countries that have full years of acts transcluded. Similar issue in Fixed Term Parliaments using &quot;next&quot; for the Schedules.&lt;br&gt;
:I think best is to link things mentioned within the title/TOC like in [[Scotland Act 1998]], including Explanatory Notes if there, and then we can mention Explanatory Notes in the &quot;notes&quot; of the header, and leave &quot;previous&quot; and &quot;next&quot; for linking to surrounding acts. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 22:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

== Page marked historical ==

Heads up that I tagged [[Wikisource:Purchases]] with {{tl|historical}} since it hasn't actually been in use in several years. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
: This project page is interesting and was unknown to me until just now. It is very similar to an idea that [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] and I have discussed recently, which would involve creating a centralized page in the Project namespace for requests for scans to be made where no scans appear to be accessible online (which would replace [[User:TE(æ)A,ea./Requests]] in their personal user space). My suggested name was either [[WS:Requests for scans]], or making that a section of the [[WS:Scan Lab]]. FYI, because of the inter-library loan (ILL) system, very few books would actually need to be ''bought'' in order to be scanned anymore (as far as I understand it), but buying should definitely be an option for those who are willing to donate the material, in cases where ILL is not possible. All in all, the Purchases page has merit conceptually, but in its current implementation inserting {{tl|historical}} was the right move. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:00, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

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* The Editing Team and the Machine Learning Team are working on a new check for newcomers: [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check|Peacock check]]. Using a prediction model, this check will encourage editors to improve the tone of their edits, using artificial intelligence. We invite volunteers to review the first version of the Peacock language model for the following languages: Arabic, Spanish, Portuguese, English, and Japanese. Users from these wikis interested in reviewing this model are [[mw:Edit check/Peacock check/model test|invited to sign up at MediaWiki.org]]. The deadline to sign up is on May 23, which will be the start date of the test.

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'''Updates for technical contributors'''
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== RfC ongoing regarding Abstract Wikipedia (and your project) ==

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Hello all! We opened a discussion on Meta about a very delicate issue for the development of [[:m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]]: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. Since some of the hypothesis involve your project, we wanted to hear your thoughts too. 

We want to make the decision process clear: we do not yet know which option we want to use, which is why we are consulting here. We will take the arguments from the Wikimedia communities into account, and we want to consult with the different communities and hear arguments that will help us with the decision. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

You can read the various hypothesis and have your say at [[:m:Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]]. Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|&lt;span class=&quot;signature-talk&quot;&gt;{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}&lt;/span&gt;]]) 15:27, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Weird Tales file and index with incorrect name ==

[[Index:Weird Tales Volume 02 Number 2 (1937-02).djvu]] should say Volume 29. Do you think I should ask for the file on Commons to be moved, and then to have the index and pages here moved ? Or just leave it as it is ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
: Given some of it is already transcluded, and that the index is not exposed to the end reader, I'd say leaving a comment like {{tqi|(typo in file name)}} in the index title field would be enough of a clarification. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 04:53, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::OK - thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== Official Launch of The Million Wiki Project ==

We are thrilled to announce the official launch of [[m:The_Million_Wiki_Project|The Million Wiki Project!]]
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Our mission is to enrich Wikimedia projects with high-quality and diverse content related to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region. This initiative focuses on creating new articles, multimedia, structured data, and more, covering topics from MENA countries, communities, and diaspora worldwide.

'''Who Can Participate?'''&lt;br&gt;
All registered Wikimedians are welcome to join! Whether you're an individual contributor or part of an organization, your support is valuable. We encourage content creation in any of the six official UN languages (Arabic, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and soon Chinese).

'''What Kind of Content Are We Looking For?'''

* New Wikipedia articles focused on MENA topics
* Multimedia contributions on Wikimedia Commons (photos, videos)
* Structured data for Wikidata
* Language entries on Wiktionary
* Public domain texts on Wikisource

Note: Make sure your content follows local Wikimedia guidelines and licensing policies, including Freedom of Panorama for media files.

Join us in bridging content gaps and showcasing the richness of the MENA region on Wikimedia platforms! &lt;br&gt;
Stay tuned for more updates and participation guidelines. [[User:Reda Kerbouche|Reda Kerbouche]] ([[User talk:Reda Kerbouche|talk]]) 09:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== New texts list ==

Does a work count as &quot;complete&quot; for the purposes of the new texts list if the book has an index which has not been transcribed nor transcluded ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:56, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
: No. There have been multiple discussions, notably at [[Template talk:New texts]], where a consensus emerged that a work must be proofread and transcluded (but that there was not a need for validation). If you find an unproofread/untranscluded work, you can remove it.
: Sometimes sub-works that are works in their own right without the others (such a play in a collection of plays) also get listed on new text; for such works, it looks like the pratice is to only require that their part of the index be proofread and transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Radio Times ==

Please join the discussion at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:35, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

== Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue ==

Please could someone add a bullet point to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] about what happens regarding the hosting of scans of works which are considered out-of-copyright by this Wikisource, but not by Wikimedia Commons (for example, where they are still in copyright in Europe, but not the US)? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:30, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a copyright concern, but a compatibility concern, so it's covered at [[Help:Licensing compatibility]], which is linked from the bottom of the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::It is a copyright concern, and is not about licensing.
::The page to which I referred is styled as a guide for ''Beginners'', and is where a beginner would reasonably look for such information. The page already discusses how other Wikimedia projects choose to respect non-United States copyright law, in contrast to this project, so the additional point under discussion is relevant there.
::Furthermore, the subject is not covered at Help:Licensing compatibility, which includes only one mention of Wikimedia Commons; and that in a section which does not touch on the issue I mention, but is in a section about discussions of the prohibition of &quot;no derivative&quot; clauses. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 14:11, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The &quot;Beginner's guide to copyright&quot; is about copyright itself.  Where our files are stored is not an issue of copyright law.  The Licensing compatibility covers which items are allowed to be hosted here, which ''is'' affected by copyright status, but copyright is ''not'' the only concern, there are other licensing issues that affect what can be hosted here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Whether a file is stored locally rather than on Commons if often decided ''solely'' on it's copyright status, which is in turn wholly a factor of copyright law.
::::Again: the licensing compatability page does not mention this issue ''at all''.
::::Again: this is not a matter of ''licensing''. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So then, you're looking for [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]]?  Again, where to upload a file may be ''affected'' by the copyright status of the work, but it's not a part of copyright law. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, I am not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::This is the page that says: &quot;Usually, the DjVu or PDF file should be uploaded directly to Wikimedia Commons (one of Wikisource's sister sites that holds images and files for general use).  However, Commons chooses to respect the copyright laws of the home country of any work, which Wikisource does not.  In cases where non-United States publications are in the public domain in the United States but not in their home countries, they should be uploaded directly to Wikisource instead.  This method is the same as the method to upload and add images.&quot;  Is that not what you are asking about? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:38, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::No. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Can you please clarify then? Because this looks to me to be exactly what you were asking about at the start of this thread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

=== Clarity of Help page ===
User:Pigsonthewing has made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=15092053 this change] to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]], with the comment &quot;This is not tangent; it relates directly to the page's pre-existing point about projects &quot;choose to respect non-United States copyright law. English Wikisource does not&quot; and hinges directly on the copyright status of works concerned&quot;

My concern is that this inserts a second tangential issue into a set of paragraphs explaining copyright law.

The text looks like this with the added text in '''bold''':

{{blockquote|
; Non-United States publications
The rules about non-United States publications can get complicated.

Some works may be in the public domain in the United States even if they are still under copyright in their home countries '''(these works should be uploaded directly to Wikisource, not Wikimedia Commons)'''. Other works may be in the public domain in their home countries but still under copyright in the United States '''(these works are not eligible for inclusion on this Wikisource'''.

For example, the last collection of Sherlock Holmes stories, ''[[The Casebook of Sherlock Holmes]]'', was published in 1927
}}

The text is concerned with the copyright status of works, not with the uploading of files.  The added text is concerned with the uploading of files, which is discussed on the page [[Help:Beginner's guide to sources]], which has a section devoted to the uploading of source files.

I believe the additions to [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] are intrusive, because they insert a second topic into a paragraph that is already about a complicated topic.  I also believe they are superfluous, because we already have a Beginner's guide page that explains where to upload files. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

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* A community-wide discussion about a very delicate issue for the development of [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia|Abstract Wikipedia]] is now open on Meta: where to store the abstract content that will be developed through functions from Wikifunctions and data from Wikidata. The discussion is open until June 12 at [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content|Abstract Wikipedia/Location of Abstract Content]], and every opinion is welcomed. The decision will be made and communicated after the consultation period by the Foundation.

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== Works as a header ==

Is &quot;Works&quot; by itself as a header in Portals meant to be read as &quot;Works by&quot; or &quot;Works about&quot;? I see it mostly used to mean &quot;Works by&quot; when I see it in Author space and it is separated into &quot;Works by&quot; and &quot;Works about&quot; when the two exist. That is why it looks odd in location Portal space as in [[Portal:Westbrookville, New York]]. IT looks like it the works were written by the location. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
: I replaced the L2 &quot;Works about ...&quot; to &quot;Works&quot; to keep it consistent with what's done on most other portal entries on the site. &quot;Works&quot; here means &quot;Works about&quot;. However, as of right now there appears to be no official standard for which header to use. [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] and [[Help:Portals]] say nothing about a &quot;Works&quot; section or &quot;Works about&quot; section.
: If &quot;Works&quot; sections should be changed to &quot;Works about&quot; by some informal vote here, then it's probably best to make it an official policy. We should consider also using bots to keep up with the maintenance that would be required to standardize all portal L2s one way or the other.
: Wikisource lacking structure is a massive problem here IMO, since for example Wiktionary has their quite detailed &quot;[[wikt:WT:ELE|Entry layout explained]]&quot; policy page, while the typical Wikisource culture is just to sorta do whatever we want in most areas that could be given a ruleset. This makes things like parsing our content especially difficult, for example. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::However, there are a number of portals where &quot;works by&quot; is applicable - government departments, for example. 
::If we want to be consistent, I think it would be best to have the same policy for both Authors and Portals. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
:::That would not make sense for Portals unless they are People Portals.  We would never have &quot;Works by Philosophy&quot; as a header.  And on any larger Portal, it also makes no sense to have a &quot;Works about&quot; header, since potentially everything on the Portal is about the subject of the Portal.  But there are also Portals where the content is '''neither''' by nor about; for example [[Portal:French literature]], where the works ''are'' French literature, and not work written by French literature, nor works about French literature. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== Red link in Monthly Challenge ==

There is a red link in the monthly challenge for [[Author:Department of Defense]] - I understand that author page should not be created. Should that link instead to [[Portal:United States Department of Defense]] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Yes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Please could somebody make that change - the work is &quot;United States – Vietnam Relations, 1945–1967&quot;. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::: {{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2025 Selection &amp; Call for Questions ==

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 2 (two) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Governance Committee, composed of trustees who are not candidates in the 2025 community-and-affiliate-selected trustee selection process (Raju Narisetti, Shani Evenstein Sigalov, Lorenzo Losa, Kathy Collins, Victoria Doronina and Esra’a Al Shafei) [3], is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2025 trustee selection process and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

* May 22 – June 5: Announcement (this communication) and call for questions period [6]
* June 17 – July 1, 2025: Call for candidates
* July 2025: If needed, affiliates vote to shortlist candidates if more than 10 apply [5]
* August 2025: Campaign period
* August – September 2025: Two-week community voting period
* October – November 2025: Background check of selected candidates
* Board’s Meeting in December 2025: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2025 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025|[link]]].

'''Call for Questions'''

In each selection process, the community has the opportunity to submit questions for the Board of Trustees candidates to answer. The Election Committee selects questions from the list developed by the community for the candidates to answer. Candidates must answer all the required questions in the application in order to be eligible; otherwise their application will be disqualified. This year, the Election Committee will select 5 questions for the candidates to answer. The selected questions may be a combination of what’s been submitted from the community, if they’re alike or related. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates|[link]]]

'''Election Volunteers'''

Another way to be involved with the 2025 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page [[m:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Election_volunteers|[link].]]

Thank you!

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Results

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Committee_Membership,_December_2024

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/FAQ

[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2025/Questions_for_candidates

Best regards,

Victoria Doronina

Board Liaison to the Elections Committee

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== We are looking for a pilot for our new feature, Favourite Templates ==

Hello everyone! [[meta:Community Tech|Community Tech]] are building a new feature, called [[metawiki:Community_Wishlist/Focus_areas/Template_recall_and_discovery|Favourite Templates]], that will provide a better way for new and experienced contributors to recall and discover templates via the template dialog, that works with both VisualEditor and wikitext editor. We hope this will increase dialog usage and the number of templates added.

Since 2013, experienced volunteers have asked for a more intuitive template selector, exposing popular or most-used templates on the template dialog. At this stage of work, we are focusing on allowing users to put templates in a “favourite” list, so that their reuse will be easier. At a later stage, we will focus on helping users discover or find templates.

We are looking for potential additional testers for Favourite Templates, and we thought you might be interested in trying it out. If so, please let us know if it is the case, we would be happy to set up a pilot. So far, the feature has been deployed successfully on Polish and Arabic Wikipedia, and we’re currently in talks with other projects for expanding the pilot phase.

In addition, we’d love to hear your feedback and ideas for helping people find and insert templates. Some ideas we’ve identified are searching or browsing templates by category, or showing the number of times a template has been transcluded.

Of course, we are ready to answer your questions and to give you all the information you need. Thanks in advance!

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== DTIC file - Colors in Terrain ==


Is this PD-US-Gov?

https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA277204/page/n3/mode/2up

If so I'd like to put it on Wikisource. In addition it would be appreciated if someone with expertise could advise on how to reconstruct the XYZ values from the xy and luminance factors given.  This is so I can make used of the dataset (with citation) in respect of other projects. (I would of course be happy with a relevant color chart being constructed as a semi-formal academic paper over on Wikiversity.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:52, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think, unfortunately, it is not PD-US-Gov. I don't believe US Gov contractors count as federal employees for the purpose of copyright law, and the [https://www.acquisition.gov/far/27.404-3 Federal Acquisition Regulation 27.404-3] specifically outlines that contractor producers of scientific and technical reports have blanket permission to reassert copyright on their research. That same regulation notes that the free unlimited distribution license which is noted on the document is just to the US Gov; I don't believe the public can tap into that license to redistribute.
:Perhaps someone with more US Gov works experience can chime in though. [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

: Bother. Looks like I'll have to find the original journal articles directly then. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
: The source dataset seems to be a 1940's translation published in Canada of a 1943 Russian language work, This gets interesting. Can someone dig a little deeper? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Have we lost some Validated Indexes? ==

On 11 Sept. 2024 I updated [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] with our 6500th completed index. I just went to check on progress to the next milestone of 7000 only to discover that there are only 5284 in [[:Category:Index Validated]]. How and when did we lose over 1500 validated Indexes? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
: I place my bet on the index lua error from two months and a half ago. We have ~12k indexes that just don't have ''any'' categories (out of 35583 total indexes). I think some of those affected by the bug had all their Page:s already transcluded, and so the Page:s didn't count as orphan and we didn't find them yet. The categorylink table must just have not been updated. Confirmation of this: The first thus uncategorised index reported when I queried was [[Index:! Explosive objects in War in Ukraine, 2022 (01).jpg]]. It had page_links_updated set to 20250311190213, which is 11 march, the date of the lua index error. On a null edit, it disappeared from the list. We probably ought to get 'round to null-editing all these indexes. I'm really busy these days but I could patch up some code next week. 12k is not that much. If we say one null edit/min that makes 12k minutes, or 200 hours, or just over a week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (FYI: the complete list is [https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/94236 here]. To refresh (you need to have forked) just re-submit. Replag aside, should update instantaneously.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Hadn't thought of that, despite the fact that I've been null-editing Indexes via LonelyPages every three days. I'm part way through G with another update due this evening (my time). Any Index that is not pdf or djvu has been skipped over. Where there are Pages without an Index, I've left them for investigation later. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Any specific reason for skipping non-pdf/djvu indexes? Normally they should work like others. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Because the listing in LonelyPages is the Page namespace and the link to the Index doesn't appear as a tab in the same way. Thus easier to ignore at present and then deal with as a group later. I much prefer dealing with a single workflow at a time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::By the way - the orphaned pages listing was actually updated yesterday - it starts again on the first of the month,
::::::I have been trying to reduce the main pages on the orphaned pages list. A number of those have been works transcluded but affected by the index lua error. (And so not linked from anywhere else). I have tried adding other links as well. Of course, this means that main pages affected by the lua error do not show there if they already were linked from elsewhere. --
::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::: @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] and [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] : the query I linked to above ''does'' give an exhaustive list, transclusion or no transclusion, exploiting the fact that broken indexes lost their categories. It also gives the indexes not the pages, so there's no trouble of reaching the index from the pages. If you want, I can reasonably easily get the list into a wikipage with links (as opposed to the quarry result of just page names). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I've made a list at [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]]. Having already dealt with some, it's reduced in size by ca. 500 from the initial. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Would you mind other editors editing that page? So we can remove those that are done and keep track of where we're at. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:41, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I've forked the query to select .djvu indexes (&lt;code&gt;page_title like '%.djvu'&lt;/code&gt;). 3600 are remaining. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 10:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::: Welp, we do also have to do the PDFs. It's not a good thing, but many indexes are done PDF. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I have no problems with other editors editing the page. Keeping track and not duplicating effort is always good. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All DjVu indexes done. The page is updated. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All jpg, jpeg, webm indexes done. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::All not .pdf indexes done (6,818). [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox2]] updated. Now 5,641 pages in Category:Index Validated • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:18, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The proposed query has to be modified, ~2000 indexes having categories other than &quot;Index:...&quot;.
::::::::::::I have used as a jointure: 
:::::::::::::&lt;code&gt;and page_id not in ( select cl_from  from categorylinks   where cl_to like 'Index%' )&lt;/code&gt;
::::::::::::to get a new list. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: &lt;code&gt; AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT 1 FROM categorylinks WHERE cl_from = page_id AND cl_to LIKE 'Index%')&lt;/code&gt; is probably faster. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::: As a side note, I found why these indexes have some of their cats but not all: the categories that are added manually are actually out of the template; so when the template broke, they only lost the categories that relied on it; which means the status cats &amp;co, but not the manual ones. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::All Indexes in the second list are now null-edited and [[:Category:Index Validated]] is at 6953, which approximately what I was expecting to see. There are only 141 in the Validated category that need to have their transclusion status checked. Thanks to {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} for the assistance on getting all the Indexes null-edited so quickly. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:The milestone of 7000 Validated indexes was reached yesterday. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 07:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:: (I think it's [[Index:Skyes Picot, The Manchester Guardian, Monday, November 26, 1917, p5.jpg]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The Category contains a template ({{tl|Proofreadpage_index_template/testcases}}), so it may be [[Index:The President's Proclamation (Proctor, 1963).jpg]]. Quarry gives 7004 indexes. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 08:18, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: Indeed, good catch! :) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::It was indeed The President's Proclamation. [[Portal:Proofreading milestones]] has been updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 18:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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== Copyright status of a work. ==

This is listed as public domain on Hathi:-
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31210024780379&amp;seq=15

However, it contains apparenty reprints of papers published in other works, which may need additional evalaution.

The author of the papers seems to have been an active Employee at the NBS (later NIST), So can someone make a determination as to this work's potential inclusion in Wikisource, given that the works itself is Federal?. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} I've sent the NIST an email, hopefully they reply. —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:54, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

: The concern is that some of the papers appear to be published in Journals, which given the dates would have had active registrations, (even if the individual author concerned didn't make individual periodical ones.). [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:{{ping|ShakespeareFan00}}
:This is the response from the NIST:
:&quot;Hi,
:Generally, official writings by federal employees are not subject to copyright protection within the United States (a narrow exception to this policy exists in the case of Standard Reference Data published under the provisions of the Standard Reference Data Act (Public Law 90-396). The Act permits NIST to copyright Standard Reference Data.  Click here for more information.)  However, the government may be able to assert copyright in countries other than the United States.  When official writings by NIST employees, except those covered under the Standard Reference Data Act, are submitted to a non-NIST publication, a statement should be included indicating that the material is not subject to copyright protection within the United States. If you are asked to sign a publication permission form, you should have it reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST prior to signing.  Some journals will accept our copyright form. (In fact, some journals will request this copyright form.) (External co-authors may be asked to sign an agreement transferring their copyright to the publisher, which they may choose to do.)
:Sample statement: Official contribution of the National Institute of Standards and Technology; not subject to copyright in the United States.
:Note that in most instances NIST Research Associates could assert copyright but may have agreed not to assert US copyright in their work done at NIST when they signed their NIST Associate’s Agreement. Whether or not to include the ‘not subject to copyright in the United States’ statement on manuscripts jointly authored by federal NIST employees and NIST Associates is a factual matter to be determined when the publication is drafted.
:If you are asked to sign a publisher’s agreement for your publication that agreement must first be reviewed by the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.
:If you encounter any problems with a publisher, or need any help, contact the Office of the Chief Counsel for NIST.&quot;
:I think this is a yes, thoughts? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 11:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: Hmm, so that says NIST Research Associate works without other notices, are possibles. However, in respect of this specifc collection, some of the later articles are from Journals with their own copyrights and thus can't be included (because of the Journal Copyright, rather than the contributors.). On that basis, the original papers will have to be tracked down and evaluated on a paper by paper basis. 
:BTW for a Government agency, that response is suprisingly clear for our purposes. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== Colour vs b/w image? ==

Hi, I was finding the image for [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Taming_Liquid_Hydrogen_The_Centaur_Upper_Stage_Rocket.pdf/58]. For this text, instead of extracting from the low quality PDF, since they are all catalogued NASA images, I have just looked up the image IDs and downloaded them directly from the NASA/DVIDS website. However, for this specific page, the image is black and white, but I found a high-quality colour version at [https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/historic-facilities/rocket-engine-test-facility/retf-staff/]. What should I do? Use the colour version as is or convert it to black/white first? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 20:29, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: My 2¢ would be convert it to black &amp; white, as that's what the source has. The low-quality is very probably due to bad scanning. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:15, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== 'Indexes validated in [month]' category ==

Why does [[Index:Historical paintings of the Slavic nations by Alfons Mucha (1921).pdf]] appear in [[:Category:Indexes validated in June 2025]], yet [[Index:Reference to some of the works executed in stained glass - William Raphael Eginton.pdf]] does not? &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:46, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:I expect it is because the former has an  entry in the box &quot;Validation date&quot; and the latter has that box blank. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]], @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] It is not longer blank now! But yes, you do have to manually fill in the validation date box, by editing the index page. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. (Though the index page was amended to show all validated in May.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35284922 Petscan] lists 136 indexes in the above situation. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 09:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I've sorted 96 of them, but need to call it a night. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 10:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Monthly Challenge colors on dark mode ==

For some reason the colors for the to fix header and the to proofread headers are swapped on dark mode. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
: There where some muck-ups in the templates between the statuses (essentially, the classes were swapped and so the colors were swapped again to make it right). Caused some confusion when adding dark mode compat. Should be solved. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::Sorry for the mess up and thanks for the fix by the way! —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 10:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Thinking REALLY big.. ==

Back in 2020, Fae mirrored PDF's of copyright records on IA to Commons.

Is there a contributor here that is willing to set up Index: here for post 1950's volumes?  

The thought was that it might be a way of finding works that might expire in the next few years, and if the renewals were looked into 
post 1930(rolling) volumes that might also be in scope for the period 1940 to 1950.  Other publications note a Fourth Series which continued to 1982(?) but those entries should already be in the online system. 

&quot;Mars-shot&quot; project, but worth it, if the transcription generated can be fed back into Wikidata as well.  This wouldn't be a project I'd focus on personally, my watchlist is already at 'life's work' length, but I felt this was something to be worked out. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 15:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

== Get IIIF working again. ==
Previously, inductiveload had a script ([[User:Inductiveload/jump_to_file]]) which helped improve the scans presented, by pulling them directly from hathi or IA, rather than  using the lower quality PDF present on Wikisource. 

Due to changes at IA ( URL in the script needs updating), this script stopped functioning.  Can someone PLEASE look into getting this working again, as it greatly assists in the transcription of works, where the PDF quality is exceptionally poor due to over compression or otherwise?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:04, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: As I already told you, the issue is with a line that has to be changed in the toolforge tool's code. See [[phab:T356227|T356227]]. This requires usurpation of the tool (given IL is gone at least for now); which is not easy to get. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: Thank you. So what could be a useful project is effectively stalled, because of 3 letters in old code, which can't be easily updated because the tool maintainer is absent. {{ping|Sohom Datta}} Another contributor attempted to fix this by patching the url on the Wikisource, but I couldn't get that technique to work.  The endpoint that the toolforge script uses now gives Error 500 suggesting it wasn't a priority to repair or was migrated.)..  As detailed in the phabricator ticket it's 4 characters in a single file that need changing.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:58, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

: The project I refer to is above. a Marshsot project on the Catalog of Copyright Entries. (Yes I has strait jacket to hand! :lol:) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

When 5 years after a massive upload, you find it isn't in a good quality:(.. 

I'm going to need some time to consider if I even attempt to work with this, and I am wondering if it's worth it, unless the PDF quality issue is resolved. Others here are working on making the hi-resimage loader work again, provided of course the endpoint it uses remains available. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family (archive.org)]] ==

This states that the source was ftp://ia340915.us.archive.org/1/items/LovecraftInPdfFormat/a_jermyn.pdf - trying that link did not work for me, and trying to find this item on Internet Archive gave me nothing. Anyone have any ideas where this source might be ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: That link uses the FTP protocol. Switching to http or https gives a 500 error.
: It also is a link to the direct file as opposed to the IA item.
: However, I can't find any item with such a name either.
: Possibly it was pulled out of IA's collections, but that would seem strange (pre-1930 publication). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. Wikipedia indicates that the story was only published under that title in 1986, so I assume that it was taken from a later collection. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Ah, that would explain IA pulling it out of their collections. In the last few months they've pulled out a lot of stuff which was plausibly PD (probably afraid of getting sued to death). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::::And, of course, shows a danger in not uploading the scan to Commons or here.
::::We now have a scan-backed copy of the story from the original Weird Tales printing, and a Weird Tales reprint available for transcription. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Bayonne Times need a link to Wikidata ==

Can someone link The Bayonne Times here at Wikisource to Wikidata Q118610753. Usually a bot does this, so if you see an error, let me know what I did wrong. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. &amp;mdash;[[User:Tcr25|Tcr25]] ([[User talk:Tcr25|talk]]) 15:11, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: (Heads up - the bot runs weekly, on saturday evenings UTC. So for this page, which was linked yesterday on the 9th, it would have done it next sat (the 14th).) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== How to improve this table ==

Hi, I made a table at [[Page:A History Of Mathematical Notations Vol I (1928).djvu/35]]. Whilst it works, it probably is quite a bodge solution and probably isn't compatible with mobile. Could anyone give some ideas as to how to improve it? —'''Matrix(!)''' &lt;sub&gt;ping one&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;sup&gt;when replying&lt;/sup&gt; &amp;#123;''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|&lt;sub&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;s&gt;useless&lt;/s&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/sub&gt;contributions]]''&amp;#125; 17:48, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Matrix|Matrix]] I am not sure if all tables can be made safe for mobile, so I am not sure exactly what to recommend. If you concern is having a table altogether, you could try individual lines of text, with [[:Template:Phantom]] to align the individual terms (alignment would not be preserved on all screens, but it would stop the font size shrinking when viewed in small windows, as presently). Also, very minor, but why call &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Right|}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; on cell contents, when you can apply &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ts|ar}}|&lt;/nowiki&gt;? Maybe it is identical, but it just seemed a little odd. P.S. There is also a quotation mark missing on the last 8 on the page, but I am not sure what the 8 is/isn't supposed to be aligned with (the 1/7th, and the 5,2,1 look like they are in slightly different columns). Up to you where you place it. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

== Template:Id ==

I have no idea why this template is the ''number one'' spot on [[Special:WantedTemplates]] (all such links are in the Page namespace). My guess is that it is somehow being transcluded by means of a different, broken template. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 19:12, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to be something to do with {{tl|float left}} after ShakespeareFan00's last fiddle. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: Due to a typo in [[Special:PermaLink/15019930]], {{tl|float left}} briefly called {{tl|id}} instead of using {{code|{{{id}}}}}. By the time it was corrected, it got the time to spread out it these 3k-ish pages. Discussed this with them back in April; we were hoping that MW would realise and purge pagelinks. Manifestly not. I'd say ignore it? Except if someone fells like going on a null-editing spree again. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:54, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Update: either it was the waiting, or the purging the template, or someone purging all the pages *shrug*, but now the links to {{tl|id}} have disappeared from whatlinkshere. I think [[Special:Wantedtemplates]] will reflect that in a few days' time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Jersey Journal disconnected from Wikidata ==

You can just restore the deletion at Q7743126. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Cabin at the Trail's End ==

There are two indexes [[Index:Cabin at the Trail's End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] where some pages have been created and [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] where, apparantly, the OCR is a page off. Which to keep ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
: Given that a) OCR off by a page is a fixable problem; b) pdfs have more bugs; c) the djvu's OCR is slightly better than the pdf's; my 2¢ are take the djvu.
: I have taken the liberty of realigning the OCR of the djvu. (One of the good sides of djvus is that the hidden text can be easily extracted, tweaked and readded.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
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:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
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:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
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This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
{{section resolved|— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)}}

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
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This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
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:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
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:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
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Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
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This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
{{section resolved|— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)}}

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
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:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
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:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/655]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/656]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
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== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 042I, 23 February 2022]] ==

Excerpt of just parts of the title page (a pseudo-toc) of an issue of the journal of record for the EU. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 078, 17 March 2014]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 087I, 15 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 110, 8 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 153, 3 June 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 066, 2 March 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:Also [[Official Journal of the European Union, L 116, 13 April 2022]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
::Note: I have changed these pages' formatting to conform to that of the source. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

* {{vk}} This isn't an excerpt; it matches the Contents page of the on-line journal and links to the same items, which have also been transcribed.  The format does not match as closely as it might, but it's not an excerpt. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
*:That's not the contents page of the online journal, it's the download page for the journal that happens to display the first page of the PDF (which is the title page, that also happens to list the contents). See [https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:042I:FULL here] for the published form of this work. What we're hosting is a poorly-formatted de-coupled excerpt of the title page. It's also—regardless of sourcing—just a loose table of contents. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:: I don't understand.  You're saying that it matches the contents of the journal, yet somehow it also doesn't?  Yet, if I click on the individual items in the contents, I get the named items on a subpage.  How is this different from what we do everywhere else on Wikisource? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::They are loose tables of contents extracted from the title pages of issues of a journal. They link horizontally (not to subpages) to extracted texts and function like navboxes, not tables of contents on the top level page of a work. That their formatting is arbitrary wikipedia-like just reinforces this.{{pbr}}The linked texts should strictly speaking also be migrated to a scan of the actual journal, but since those are actual texts (and not a loose navigation aid) I'm more inclined to let them sit there until someone does the work to move them within the containing work and scan-backing them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
*:::: So, do I understand then that the articles should be consolidated as subpages, like a journal?  In which case, these pages are necessary to have as the base page.  Deleting them would disconnect all the component articles.  It sounds more as though you're unhappy with the page formatting, rather than anything else.  They are certainly not &quot;excerpts&quot;, which was the basis for nominating them for deletion, and with that argument removed, there is no remaining basis for deletion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Contracts Awarded by the CPA]] ==

Out of scope per [[WS:WWI]] as it's a mere listing of data devoid of any published context. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{vk}} if scan-backed to [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/Awarded_Contracts.pdf this PDF document]. Since the PDF document is from 2004, a time when the WWW existed but wasn't nearly as universal to society as today, I find the thought that this wasn't printed and distributed absurdly unlikely. And the copyright license would be PD-text, since none of the text is complex enough for copyright, being a list of general facts. Also, this document is {{w|Coalition Provisional Authority|historically significant}}, since it involves the relationships between two federal governments during a quite turbulent war in that region. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:25, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
: (And it should be renamed to &quot;CPA-CA Register of Awards&quot; to accurately reflect the document.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
::It's still just a list of data devoid of any context that might justify its inclusion (like if it were, e.g., the appendix to a report on something or other). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Maybe I should write a user essay on this, since this is something I've had to justify in other discussions, so I can just link to that in the future.
::: I don't take the policy to mean we don't want compilations of data ''on principle'', or else we'd be deleting works like the US copyright catalogs (which despite containing introductions, etc., the ''body'' is fundamentally just a list of data). The policy says the justification on the very page. What we're trying to avoid is, rather, &quot;user-compiled and unverified&quot; data, like ''Wikisource editors'' (not external publications) listing resources for a certain project. And if you personally disagree, that's fine, but that's how I read the sentiment of the policy. I think that whether something was published, or at least printed or collected by a reputable-enough source, should be considered fair game. I'm more interested in weeding out research that was compiled on the fly by individual newbie editors, than ''federal government official compilations''.
::: But to be fair, even in my line of logic, this is sort of an iffy case, since the version of the document I gave gives absolutely no context besides &quot;CPA-CA REGISTER OF AWARDS (1 JAN 04- 10 APRIL 04)&quot; so it is difficult to verify the actual validity of the document's publication in 2004, but I would lean to keep this just because I think the likelihood is in the favor of the document being valid, and the data is on a notable subject. And if evidence comes to light that proves its validity beyond a shadow of a doubt, then certainly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Evidence of validity: The search metadata gives a date of April 11, 2004, and [https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/cpa-iraq/business/ the parent URL] is clearly an early 2000s web page just by the looks of it. My keep vote is sustained. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[Kamoliddin Tohirjonovich Kacimbekov's statement]] ==

No source, no license, no indication of being in the public domain —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 17:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Found the source: [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf] — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::The text of the source does not match what we have.  I am having trouble finding our opening passages in the link you posted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;del&gt;(At least, a sentence matched).&lt;/del&gt; {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Found it, the content that corresponds to our page starts in the middle in the page 44 of that pdf, though the delimiting of paragraphs seems to be made up. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That means we have an extract. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*No, it appears that the PDF is a compilation of several different, thematically related documents. His statement (English’d) is one such separate document. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:In which case we do not yet have a source. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*No, that is the source; it’s just that the PDF contains multiple separate documents, like I said. It’s like the “Family Jewel” papers or the “Den of Espionage” documents. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*:Sorry, I meant to say that we do not have a source for it as an independently hosted work. To use the provided source, it would need to be moved into the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::Well these document collections are bit messy, they were originally independent documents / works but they are collected together for release, e.g. because someone filed a FOIA request for all documents related to person X. I don't think it is unreasonable if someone were to extract out the document. I wouldn't object if someone was like I went to an archive and grabbed document X out of Folder Y in Box Z but if someone requested a digital version of the file from the same archive they might just get the whole box from the archive scanned as a single file. Something like the &quot;Family Jewels&quot; is at least editorial collected, has a cover letter, etc., this is more like years 1870-1885 of this magazine are on microfiche roll XXV, we need to organize by microfiche roll. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 11:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::*:*::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] since this PDF is published on the DOD/WHS website, doesn't that make this particular collection of documents a publication of DOD/WHS? (Genuine question, I can imagine there are cases -- and maybe this is one -- where it's not useful to be so literal about what constitutes a publication or to go off a different definition. But I'm interested in your thinking.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::Why would a particular website warrant a different consideration in terms of what we consider a publication?  How and why do you think it should be treated differently?  According to what criteria and standards? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::Your reply seems to assume I have a strong opinion on this. I don't. My question is not for the purpose of advocating a position, but for the purpose of understanding ''your'' position. (As I said, it's a genuine question. Meaning, not a rhetorical or a didactic one.) If you don't want to answer, that's your prerogative of course.
:::::*:*::::I'll note that [[Wikisource:Extracts#Project scope]] states, &quot;The creation of extracts and abridgements of original works involves an element of creativity '''on the part of the user''' and falls under the restriction on original writing.&quot; (Emphasis is mine.) This extract is clearly not the work of a Wikisource user, so the statement does not apply to it. It's an extract created by (or at least published) by the [[Portal:United States Department of Defense|United States Department of Defense]], an entity whose publishing has been used to justify the inclusion of numerous works on Wikisource. 
:::::*:*::::But, I have no strong opinion on this decision. I'm merely seeking to understand the firmly held opinions of experienced Wikisource users. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::You misunderstand.  The page we currently have on our site is, based on what we have so far, an extract from a longer document.  And that extract was made by a user on Wikisource.  There is no evidence that the page we currently have was never published independently, so the extract issue applies here.  We can host it as part of the larger work, however, just as we host poems and short stories published in a magazine.  We always want the work to be included in the context in which it was published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::OK. I did understand that to be TEaeA,ea's position, but it appeared to me that you were disagreeing and I did not understand the reasons. Sounds like there's greater agreement than I was perceiving though. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::I am unclear what you are referring to as a &quot;longer document.&quot; Are you referring to the need to transcribe the Russian portion? That there are unreleased pages beyond the piece we have here?. Or are you saying the &quot;longer document&quot; is all 53 sets of releases almost 4000 pages listed here (https://www.esd.whs.mil/FOIA/Reading-Room/Reading-Room-List_2/Detainee_Related/)? I hope you are not advocating for merging all ~4000 pages into a single continuous page here, some some subdivision I assume is envisioned. 
:::::*:*:::::::Re the policy statement: I am not sure that is definitive: if someone writes me a letter or a poem and I paste that into a scrapbook, is the &quot;work&quot;  the letter, the scrapbook or both? Does it matter if it is a binder or a folder instead of a scrapbook? If a reporter copies down a speech in a notebook, is the work the speech or the whole notebook. etc. I am pretty sure we haven't defined with enough precision to point to policy to say one interpretation of &quot;work&quot; is clearly wrong, which is why we have the discussion. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:36, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::The basic unit in [[WS:WWI]] is the published unit; we deal in works that have been published.  We would not host a poem you wrote and pasted into a scrapbook, because it has not been published.  For us to consider hosting something that has not been published usually requires some sort of extraordinary circumstances. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::From WWSI: &quot;Most written work ... created but never published prior to 1929 may be included&quot;, Documentary sources include; &quot;personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; The point isn't the published works, that is clear. If someone takes the poem edits it and publishes in a collection its clear. It's the unpublished works sitting in archives, documentary sources, etc. Is the work the unpublished form it went into the archive (e.g separate letters) or the unpublished form currently in the archives (e.g. bound together) or is it if I request pages 73-78 from the archives those 5 pages in the scan are the work and if you request pages 67-75 those are a separate work? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 17:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::I will just add that in every other context we refer to a work as the physical thing and not a mere scanned facsimile. We don't consider Eighteenth Century Collections Online scanning a particular printed editions and putting up a scan as the &quot;published unit&quot; as distinct from the British Library putting up their scan as opposed to the LOC putting up their scan or finding a version on microfilm. Of course, someone taking documents and doing things (like the Pentagon Papers, or the Family Jewels) might create a new work, but AFAICT in this context it is just mere reproduction. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::In the issue at hand, I am unaware of any second or third releases / publications.  As far as I know, there is only the one release / publication.  When a collection or selection is released / published from an archive collection, that release is a publication.  And we do not have access to the archive. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::We have access, via filing a FOIA request. That is literally how those documents appeared there, they are hosted under: &quot;5 U.S.C. § 552 (a)(2)(D) Records - Records released to the public, under the FOIA,&quot; which are by law where records are hosted that have been requested three times. And in general, every archive has policies around access. And I can't just walk into Harvard or Oxford libraries and handle their books either. 
:::::*:*::::::::::::My point isn't that can't be the interpretation we could adopt or have stricter policies around archival material. Just that I don't believe we can point to a statement saying &quot;work&quot; or &quot;published unit&quot; and having that &quot;obviously&quot; means that a request for pages 1-5 of a ten report is obviously hostable if someone requests just those five pages via FOIA as a &quot;complete work&quot; while someone cutting out just the whole report now needs to be deleted because that was released as part of a 1000 page large document release and hence is now an &quot;extract&quot; of that 1000 page release.  That requires discussion, consensus, point to precedent etc. And if people here agree with that interpretation go ahead. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::For example, I extracted [[Index:Alexandra Kollontai - The Workers Opposition in Russia (1921).djvu]] out of [https://archive.org/details/case_hd_8055_i4_r67_box_004]. My understanding of your position is that according to policy the &quot;work&quot; is actually all 5 scans from the Newberry Library archives joined together (or, maybe only if there are work that was previously unpublished?), and that therefore it is an &quot;extract&quot; in violation of policy. But if I uploaded this [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Workers_Opposition_in_Russia/] instead, that is okay? Or maybe it depends on the access policies of Newberry vs. the National Archives? Or it depends on publication status (so I can extract only published pamphlets from the scans but not something like a meeting minutes, so even though they might be in the same scan the &quot;work&quot; is different?)  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*::::::::::::::If the scan joined multiple '''published''' items, that were published separately, I would see no need to force them to be part of the same scan, provided the scan preserves the original publication ''in toto''.  I say that because there are Classical texts where all we have is the set of smushed together documents, and they are now considered a &quot;work&quot;.  This isn't a problem limited to modern scans, archives, and the like.  The problem is centuries old. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::*:*:::::::::::::::So if in those thousands of pages there is a meeting minute or letter between people (&quot;unpublished&quot;) then I can't? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

: This discussion has gone way beyond my ability to follow it. However, I do want to point out that we do have precedent for considering documents like those contained in  [https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Detainne_Related/Set_49_3298-3380_Revised-04-15-2021.pdf this file] adequate sources for inclusion in enWS. I mention this because if the above discussion established a change in precedent, there will be a large number of other works that can be deleted under similar argument (including ones which I have previously unsuccessfully proposed for deletion). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::for example, see the vast majority of works at [[Portal:Guantanamo]] —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
::(@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], @[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]]) So, to be clear, the idea would be to say that works which were published once and only once, and as part of a collection of works,&lt;ins&gt; but that were created on Wikisource on their own,&lt;/ins&gt; to be treated of extracts and deleted per [[WS:WWI#Extracts]]?
::If this is the case, it ought to be discussed at [[WS:S]] because as BT said a ''lot'' of other works would qualify for this that are currently kept because of that precedent, including most of our non-scan-backed poetry and most works that appeared in periodicals. This is a very significant chunk of our content. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also, that would classify encyclopedia articles as extracts, which would finally decide the question of whether it is appropriate to list them on disambiguation pages (i.e., it would not be appropriate, because they are extracts) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Extracts are only good for deletion if created separately from the main work. As far as I understood this, if someone does for example a whole collection of documents, they did the whole work, so it's fine, it's only if it's created separately (like this is the case here) that they would be eligible for deletion. Editing comment accordingly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::We would not host an article from an encyclopedia as a work in its own right; it would need to be part of its containing work, such as a subpage of the work, and not a stand-alone article.  I believe the same principle applies here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Much of our non-scan backed poetry looks like this [[A Picture Song]] which is already non-policy compliant (no source). For those listing a source such as an anthology, policy would generally indicate the should end up being listed as subworks of the anthology they were listed in. I don't think I have seen an example of a poetry anthology scan being split up into a hundred different separate poems transcribed as individual works rather than as a hundred subworks of the anthology work. 
:::Periodicals are their own mess, especially with works published serially. Whatever we say here also doesn't affect definitely answer the question of redirects, links, disambiguation as we already have policies and precedent allowing linking to sub-works (e.g. we allow linking to laws or treaties contained in statute books, collections, appendices, etc.). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::They are non-policy compliant, but this consensus appears to have been that though adding sourceless works is not allowed, we do not delete the old ones, which this, if done, would do. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-table;line-height:79%;font-size:79%;top:-.5em;position:relative;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp;&lt;br/&gt;[[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 07:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[La Comédie humaine]] ==

This is a list of links to various works by Balzac. I think this is supposed to be an anthology, but the links in it do not appear to be from an edition of the anthology, so this should be deleted. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Of course, if it's not an anthology, but rather a list of related works, it should be moved to Portal space instead. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::This is a Schrödinger's contents: All of the listed items ''were'' published together in a collection by this title, ''however'' the copies we have do not necessarily come from that collection, and meny of the items were published elsewhere first. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::''None'' of the copies we have come from that collection, which is why I nominated it for deletion. The closest is [[Author's Introduction to The Human Comedy]] which is from ''[https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1968 The Human Comedy: Introductions and Appendix]''. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::There are also a ''LOT'' of links to this page, and there is [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], which is a reference work tied to the work by Balzac. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The vast majority of the incoming links are through section redirects, so we could just make a portal and change the redirect targets to lead to the portal sections.
:::As for [[Index:Repertory of the Comedie Humaine.djvu]], it goes with [[Repertory of the Comedie Humaine]], which is mentioned at [[La Comédie humaine]] as a more specific, detailed and distinct work. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, it is a distinct work, but it is a reference work ''about'' La Comédie humaine, containing links throughout to all the same works, because those works were published in La Comédie humaine, which is the subject of the reference book.  This means that it contains the same links to various works issue that the nominated work has. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::We could make the unusual step of creating a Translations page despite having no editions of this anthology. This would handle all the incoming links, and list various scanned editions that could be added in future. It's not unprecedented. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::These novel series are a bit over the place, things like ''[[The Forsyte Chronicles]]'' and ''[[Organon]]'' get entries, while typically ''The X Trilogy'' does not.  My sense it that current practice is to group them on Authors / Portals so that is my inclination for the series.  Separately, if someone does want to start proofreading one of the published sets under the name, e.g. the Wormeley edition in 30 (1896) or 40 (1906) volumes. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Sometimes there is no clear distinction between a &quot;series of works&quot; and a &quot;single multi-volume work&quot;, which leaves a grey area. However, when the distinction is clear, a &quot;series of works&quot; does not belong in mainspace. To your examples: [[The Forsyte Chronicles]] is clearly in the wrong namespace and needs to be moved; but [[Organon]] is a Translations page rather than a series, and [[Organon (Owen)]] is unambiguously a single two-volume work, so it is where it belongs (though the &quot;Taken Separately&quot; section needs to be split into separate Translations pages). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::I support changing the page into a translations page. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Which translations would be listed?  So far, I am aware of just one English translation we could host. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::The translation page can contain a section listing the translation(s) that we host or could host and a section listing those parts of the work which were translated individually. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::That does not answer my question.  I know what a translation page does.  But if there is only a single hostable translation, then we do not create a Translations page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Although there might not be multiple hostable translations of the whole work, there are various hostable translations of some (or all?) individual parts of the work, which is imo enough to create a translation page for the work. Something like the above discussed [[Organon]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::''Organon'' is a collected work limited in scope to just six of Aristotle's works on a unifying theme.  ''La Comédie humaine'' is more akin to ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'', where we would not list all of his individual works, because that's what an Author page is for. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Well, this work also has some unifying theme (expressed in the title ''La Comédie humaine'') and so it is not just an exhausting collection of all the author's works. Unlike ''The Collected Works of H. G. Wells'' it follows some author's plan (see [[w:La Comédie humaine#Structure of La Comédie humaine]]). So I also perceive it as a consistent work and can imagine that it has its own translation page, despite the large number of its constituents. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::A theme hunted for can always be found.  By your reasoning, should we have a ''Yale Shakespeare'' page in the Mainspace that lists all volumes of the first edition '''and''' a linked list of all of Shakespeare's works contained in the set?  After all, the ''Yale Shakespeare'' is not an exhaustive collection.  I would say &quot;no&quot;, and say the same for ''La Comédie humaine''.  The fact that a collection is not exhaustive is a weak argument. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::You pick one little detail from my reasoning which you twist, this twisted argument you try to disprove and then consider all my reasoning disproved. However, I did not say that the reason is that it is not exhaustive. I said that it is not just an exhausting collection but that it is more than that, that it resembles more a consistent work with a unifying theme. The theme is not hunted, it was set by the author. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Then what is your reason for wanting to list all of the component works on a versions / translations page?  &quot;It has a theme&quot; is not a strong argument; nor is &quot;it was assembled by the author&quot;.  Please note that the assemblage, as noted by the Wikipedia article, was never completed, so there is ''no'' publication anywhere of the complete assemblage envisioned by the author.  This feels more like a shared universe, like the Cthulhu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe, than a published work.  I am trying to determine which part of your comments are the actual justification being used for listing all of the ''component'' works of a set or series on the Mainspace page, and so far I do not see such a justification.  But I do see many reasons ''not'' to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I have written my arguments and they are not weak as I see them. Having spent with this more time than I had intended and having said all I wanted, I cannot say more. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::There are multiple reasons why it is different from the Cthulu Mythos or Marvel Cinematic Universe. E.g.
::::::::::::1. It is a fixed set, both of those examples are open-ended, with new works being added. Even the authors are not defined.
::::::::::::2. It was defined and published as such by the original author. Those are creations of, often, multiple editors  meaning that the contents are not necessarily agreed upon.
::::::::::::3. It was envisioned as a concept from the original author, not a tying together of works later by others.
::::::::::::etc.
::::::::::::The argument, &quot;it wasn't completed&quot; is also not a particularly compelling one. Lots of works are unfinished, I have never heard the argument, we can't host play X  as &quot;Play X&quot; because only 4/5 acts were written before the playwright died, or we can't host an unfinished novel as X because it is unfinished. And I doubt that is really a key distinction in your mind anyways, I can't imagine given the comparisons you are making that you would be comfortable hosting it if Balzac lived to 71, completed the original planned 46 novels but not if he lived to 70 and completed 45.5 out of the 46. 
::::::::::::[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Re: &quot;It was defined and published as such by the original author&quot;.  Do you mean the ''list'' was published, or that the ''work'' was published?  What is the &quot;it&quot; here? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::&quot;It&quot; is the concept, so both. You could go into a book store in 1855 and buy books labeled La Comedie Humaine, Volume 1, just like you can buy books today labeled A Song of Ice and Fire, First Book. 
::::::::::::::But that is my general point, having a discussion grounded in the publication history of the concept can at least go somewhere. Dismissing out of hand, &quot;it was never finished&quot; gets debating points, not engagement. I may have had interest in researching the history over Balzac's life, but at this point that seems futile. 
::::::::::::::In general, to close out my thoughts, for the reasons I highlighted (fixed set, author intent, enough realization and publication as such, existence as a work on fr Wiki source / WP as a novel series) it seems enough to be beyond a mere list, and a translation page seems a reasonable solution here. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 12:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]] ==

This work has no source text, and I suspect it is an inaccurate transcription of an old print edition, because it frequently substitutes &quot;z&quot; where &quot;ȝ&quot; exists in other source texts. It was added to the site, fully-formed, in 2007, by [[Special:Contributions/24.12.189.10|an IP editor]], so I don't think we'll be able to get much context for it. I think it should be blanked and replaced with a transcription project should the source be identified, and if not, deleted. See further details on identifying its source on [[Talk:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)|the talk page]]. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 20:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

:The ultimate source is, by unavoidable implication, the [[:Wikipedia:Pearl Manuscript|British Library MS Cotton Nero A X/2]], digital copies of which exist (and may well have existed in 2007). It is possible that the manuscript may be the proximal source, too, though it may be Morris. The substitution of a standard character for an unusual one is common in amateur transcriptions but an old print edition would be unlikely to be that inconsistent. Could we upload a scan of the original source and verify the text we have matches (almost certainly better than an OCR would)? Then we can correct the characters and other errors. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]]: Does [https://digitalcollections.ucalgary.ca/CS.aspx?VP3=DamView&amp;VBID=2R3BXZ51R8SGK&amp;SMLS=1&amp;q=Gawain&amp;RW=1267&amp;RH=593 this] work? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:17, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:Looks good. Should we choose that, or Morris, as the &quot;source&quot;? I think the IP could be taken to have implied the MS, but if Morris is closer that would be fine too. I've now noticed that we do have another ME version, [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::Both Morris and Madden have annotations (footnotes, marginal notes) not shown here. So perhaps taking it as a transcription of the MS makes more sense. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 04:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::We ought to bear in mind that Sir Gawain is only a small part of the larger Pearl manuscript. Would that make using the MS directly an extract? [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Further points against using the MS: I'm not sure how many of Wikisource's users could transcribe it accurately given how heavily faded, archaic, and abbreviated it is. The lack of abbreviation in the Wikisource text is a point in favour of Morris, too: the IP knew how to expand the abbreviations, but kept confusing &quot;ȝ&quot; for &quot;z&quot;? That sounds implausible to me. [[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]] ([[User talk:EnronEvolved|talk]]) 08:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:*::*[[User:EnronEvolved|EnronEvolved]]: I think that there wouldn’t be an issue with uploading the entire ''Pearl'' manuscript just for this, as there would probably be interest in the remaining works at some point. It may simply be an inaccurate transcription of an old photofacsimile of the manuscript, although in any case the original would be of much value. As for users, that is certainly an issue; even my experience with a borderline Middle/Modern English text wouldn’t help me, as I would still need a lot of practice parsing the light hand. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:*:::Re being an extract, there isn't a clear consensus one way or the other, as has come up in other contexts. For example, if it is published in 5 separate parts by the holding library (or even separate libraries), is putting them the five separate scans back together again a prohibited user created compilation. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 01:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
*I would be interested in proofreading this text, mostly because I thought that &quot;The Green Knight&quot; was a great movie. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the Versions page includes a link to our on-going transcription of the edition co-edited by Tolkien, which edition includes the Middle English, copious notes, and a vocabulary list. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] ==

Looks like transcription of some screenshots of web pages. Not in our scope per [[WS:WWI#Reference material]]: &quot;Wikisource does not collect reference material unless it is published as part of a complete source text&quot; ... &quot;Some examples of these include... Tables of data or results&quot;.

Besides, the PDF file contains two pages with two tables from two separate database entries, so it is a user-created compilation, which is again not possible per [[WS:WWI]].

(Besides all this, I still believe that our task is not transcribing the whole web, as this creates unnecessary maintenance burden for our small community. But it is not the main reason, though it is important, the main ones are above.)

-- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; These reports are published specifically by the United States government at least 3 months after a natural disaster that serve as the finalized reports. There is [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp an entire page] specifically about these sources. The PDF is Wikipedian-made but the tables are not. The U.S. government divides every report by county and by month. The fire was in a single county, but occurred in April &amp; May 2024, therefore, NOAA published an April 2024 and a May 2024 report separately. The PDF was the combination of the two sources. To note, this '''is an official publication of the U.S. government''' as described in that page linked above: &quot;{{red|Storm Data is an official publication of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) which documents the occurrence of storms and other significant weather phenomena having sufficient intensity to cause loss of life, injuries, significant property damage, and/or disruption to commerce.}}&quot; Per [[WS:WWI]], this is a documentary source, which qualifies under Wikisource's scope per &quot;{{green|They are official documents of the body producing them}}&quot;. There is way in hell you can argue a collection of official U.S. government documents does not qualify for Wikisource. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:26, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::The definition of the documentary source in [[WS:WWI]] says that &quot;documents may range from constitutions and treaties to personal correspondence and diaries.&quot; Pure tables without any context are refused by the rule a bit below, see my quotation above. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That is how the National Weather Service, a branch of the United States government publishes finalized results...Like '''every single fucking natural disaster in the United States''' is published in that format. [[:File:Storm Data Document for the 1970 Lubbock, Texas Tornado.jpg]] is a 1970 publication (pre-Internet) and this is a physical paper that was physcally scanned in. That to is in a chart and table. If charts and tables produced by the US government are not allowed, then y'all need to create something saying no U.S. government natural disaster report is allowed because '''tables is how the U.S. government fucking publishes the information'''. Yeah, good bye Wikisource. There is literally no use to be here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That is absolutely OK that they publish tables, but our rule does not accept such screenshot-based material. Being rude or shouting with bold or red letters won't help. Although you have achieved that opposing arguments are less visible, it will not have any impact on the final result. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If/when this is deleted, please make a note somewhere that ''{{w|Storm Data}}'' is not covered under Wikisource's scope, since both the 2024 wildfire and 1970 tornado document above are from Storm Data and they would not be under the scope. There needs to be some note about that somewhere that the U.S. document series ''Storm Data'' is not under Wikisource's scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Definitely not, it is not a matter of publisher. Besides, our rules are worded generally, we never make them publisher-specific. Speaking about Storm Data, they publish a monthly periodical, see [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/static/images/sdsample.pdf an example] which would definitely be in our scope. Unlike screenshots of their web. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So ''Storm Data'' is allowed, but screenshots of ''Storm Data'' is not allowed? Is that correct? [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: More or less. We don't accept extracts or user-created compilations, but if you have a government work as a whole, we'll generally take it. Screenshots of works aren't specifically in violation, but it's a horrible way to get a whole work. You can use podman on the HTML, or print it directly from your browser, and that will let the text be copyable.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I went ahead and requested author-requested speedy deletion on it. No use to try to argue or debate. I know you are an administrator who clearly knows it isn't in scope and needs to be deleted. I don't want to argue or debate it anymore and just want to be done with Wikisource transcribing. I do indeed lack the competence to know what is or is not allowed for Wikisource, despite being a veteran editor. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 23:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:In general, I would lean towards {{vk}} for reports by federal governments on official events. I know that we keep for example Civil Aeronautics Board / NTSB reports. Presumably, the NTSB dockets could also be added if so inclined. This seems to be the NOAA equivalent where the differences seem to be some level of &quot;lack of narrative / description&quot; and the proper formatting of the sourcing from the DB for structured data. I don't really think the first is particularly compelling to merit deletion, and the second is really about form not content. E.g. it might make sense to download the DB as a csv and then make each line a sub page to be more &quot;official&quot; but this seems fine to me (might make sense to upload the 1 line CSV anyways for posterity). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*On this topic, I want to throw [[2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] into the mix. This is a nearly identical format Wikisource collection ('''and Wikisource {{green|validated}} collection''') for the NOAA finalized report on the {{w|2024 Greenfield tornado}}. I am wanting to throw this into the mix for others to see a better-example of NOAA's finalized report. Also noting the Wikisource document is listed on the EN-Wikipedia article for the tornado (see the top of [[w:2024 Greenfield tornado#Tornado summary]]). [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:: It's not the NOAA finalized report; it's a stitched together collection of NOAA reports. It's not entirely transparent which reports were stitched together. It's clearly not ''Storm Data''.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Prosfilaes}} Every URL is cited on the talk page. See [[Talk:2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report]] in the &quot;Information about this edition&quot;. To also note, the &quot;Notes&quot; section actually says, &quot;This tornado crossed through four counties, so the finalized report consists of four separate reports, which have been combined together.&quot; I do not know how that is not transparent enough to say which reports are in the collection. The reports &quot;Event Narrative&quot; also make it clear for the continuations: For example, one ends with &quot;The tornado exited the county into Adair County between Quince Avenue and Redwood Avenue.&quot; and the next starts with &quot;This large and violent tornado entered into south central Adair County from Adams County.&quot; NOAA is very transparent when it is a continuation like that. If you have any suggestions how to make it more transparent, I am all ears! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also quick P.S., this is in fact Storm Data. You can read the [https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/faq.jsp Storm Data FAQ page]. Everything regarding what is an &quot;Episode&quot; vs &quot;Event&quot; (as seen in the charts aforementioned above) is entirely explained there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::::{{ping|WeatherWriter}} I missed those URLs because they're not listed on the PDF page. Someone should archive completely that Storm Data database, but that's not really Wikisource's job. We store publications, not user-created collections of material from a database. There is no &quot;2024 Greenfield Tornado Finalized Report&quot; from NOAA; there are four separate reports.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 04:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' The nominator misreads the relevant policy. The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded; this is a good example of that fact. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
*:...and besides that it is a user created compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Upon my request, the two reports compiled in our pdf have been archived by archive.org, see [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114030655/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175617 here] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20250114161013/https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=1175619 here]. Archive.org is the service which should be used for web archiving, not Wikisource, where the two screenshot-based tables are now redundant and without any added value. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

:It might make sense to add these to field to wikidata for storm events, assuming the event itself is noticeable, given that it is built for handling structured data. But that is a question for the wikidata commmunity. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 04:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Imposing Maximum Pressure on the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Denying Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon, and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence]] ==

Unformatted copydump with no backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

:KEEP, and add the scan when it becomes available.
:Highly notable, and well sourced here: National Security Presidential Memorandum/NSPM-2 [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/ whitehouse.gov]
:It is legible, formatted well enough to read, by anyone interested in actually reading.
:Soon it will be published in the US [[Federal Register]], if it hasn't been already, and scans be available soon.  As such a recent document, you should at least give me and other contributors to [[WS:USEO]] project the time to complete the work, before nominating it for deletion.  Also, the page creator (myself) should have been notified on his user page, and I was not notified.  @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] has made a dozen comments on my user talk page, in the previous hour, after he proposed this deletion, so it seems that failure to notify was intentional.  Why do this behind my back?
:This just discourages people from contributing.  Is that what you want?
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 16:50, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::Wikisource has no notability requirement.  Please see the discussions above about adding texts here from the US Federal Register without a backing scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;Failure to notify&quot; implies there is a requirement to notify.  There is no such requirement for deletion discussions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I was not aware that there was no requirement.  Perhaps there should be.  But since you were very active on my user talk page in the hour after you proposed this for deletion, 
:::* why did you neglect to mention it?  
:::* Were you hoping I wouldn't find out?  
:::* In general, why should we not have a full discussion with all relevant points of view presented?  
:::* Why not include the primary contributor in a discussion about whether or not to delete the work he has contributed?
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 21:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This ''is'' the full discussion. Right here.  you have participated in it. There is no requirement to notify anyone of a deletion nomination.  They are announced here, on this page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:Of the dozens and dozens of &quot;briefings&quot; and &quot;statements and releases&quot; that I added to [[Author:Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Antony Blinken]] over the last two or three years, almost all of them met this same alleged criteria for deletion.  None of them were backed by scans;  all of them were &quot;copydumps&quot; that I cut and pasted from http://whitehouse.gov or state.gov or some other government website, which I cited in the &quot;notes&quot; field as the source.  With this NSPM from [[Author:Donald Trump]], I did the exact same thing I had been doing for over the previous years.
:Yet not one of them was proposed for deletion.  Why the sudden unequal enforcement?  And where is the policy that states that this is forbidden?
:I am committed to editing in a manner that is '''Non-Partisan''' and '''In the Public Interest'''.  It appears that other administrators here are not.
:[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:00, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
::I went back and looked at those, and no, they do not meet the criteria mentioned above.  Although I do notice that none of the source links are working any longer, since those pages were taken down by the new administration. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:28, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I just added 10 interesting wikilinks to wikipedia articles that explain the context of this memorandum, starting with 
:::''Imposing [[w:Maximum pressure campaign|Maximum Pressure]] on the Government of the [[w:Islamic Republic of Iran|Islamic Republic of Iran]], Denying [[w:Nuclear program of Iran|Iran All Paths to a Nuclear Weapon]], and Countering Iran’s Malign Influence.''
:::It's true that I'd done this - adding wikilinks - to most of the Biden era documents I published here.  Now that I've added wikilinks to the Trump era document, I expect you all to preserve it.  (A scan will probably become available from the federal register in a few days - if its not available already - and I'll have to do this all over again.)
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 22:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Scores of Biden era documents - maybe hundreds - were given pages here by wikisource editors, other than me, and have not been formatted:  they are unformatted copydumps.  Here is a small sample:
::::* [[Memorandum on Renewing the National Security Council System]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum on Advancing the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and Intersex Persons Around the World]] (2021-02-04)
::::* [[Memorandum for the Secretary of State on the Emergency Presidential Determination on Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2021]] (2021-04-16)
::::Admins/editors have placed {{tl|no scan}} tags, but they refrained from placing {{tl|delete}}. And unlike those documents where the link to whitehouse.gov is broken due to presidential transition, the link I've given to document in question here actually works, See for yourself:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/
::::This is unequal enforcement that appears to motivated by political bias.  Like this document, Biden's shouldn't be deleted:  instead we should have a policy explicitly legitimizing this, and use the {{tl|no scan}} to warn readers to use there own judgement in determining whether the document is reliable or not. [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::The examples you pointed to have all been formatted.  The text being considered was nominated because it had ''not'' been formatted.  I see that some formatting has been added, but that the added formatting does not match the source.  There is still unformatted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I've just formatted it, by removing the indentations.   Is this now &quot;formatted&quot; in your opinion, or what else needs to be done?
::::::The text being considered here, the NSPM-2 is now formatted with ten wikilinks:  the other examples have none.
::::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, all of the source links to whitehouse.gov from presidential documents by [[Author:Joe Biden]], are now broken.  I've checked half a dozen from [[Author:Barack Obama]], and they are all broken too, no one bothered to fix these.  (None of them were backed by scans either, and yet haven't been proposed for deletion.)
:::Maybe we should redirect our efforts toward this pressing need:
:::[[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Fixing broken links to whitehouse.gov after Presidential Transitions]]
:::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 23:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
::::This is why we ask for added works to be backed by scans: internet links change and disappear.  Problems present in other works are not reasons to keep this one; they are reasons to consider deletion of additional problematic pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Although many internet links change and disappear, this and other presidential documents are in the U.S. National Archives.  Although they will move from whitehouse.gov to archives.gov, '''we can rely''' on their continued availability in the decades to come.
:::::[[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: it looks to me like this page now conforms with the formatting of [https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/national-security-presidential-memorandum-nspm-2/]. Would you agree with that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, be the original has a nested outline structure, and no bulleted list.  But I would agree that the page is no longer ''un''formatted, as when it was nominated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:DOGE Termination of $8.189 Million USDA Contract for &quot;Environmental Compliance Services for the Implementation of Pilot Projects Developed Under the Partnership for Climate Smart Commodities&quot;.jpg]]==
There are quite a few like this, but I’ll use this one as an example. These are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. If you go to [https://doge.gov/savings this Web-site], and click on the “LINK” icon under “Contracts,” you will be able to find many instances. In addition, these are collections of data, arranged on a form. I believe that neither the form nor the data filled in as part of the form qualify under [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Reference_material|Wikisource:What Wikisource includes § Reference material]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' &amp;ndash; Several of these documents are linked at [[w:Department of Government Efficiency#Termination of federal contracts]]. Several sources do indeed indicated these ''are'' “federal contracts” ([[w:Contract|a type of documet]]): [https://abcnews.go.com/US/doge-claims-55-billion-government-cuts-figure-hard/story?id=118966190 ABC News] — “{{color|green|DOGE this week posted on its website a list of more than 1,000 federal contracts}}” &amp; “The 1,127 contracts span 39 federal departments and agencies” / [https://apnews.com/article/doge-federal-contracts-canceled-musk-trump-cuts-a65976a725412934ad686389889db0df Associated Press] — “The Department of Government Efficiency, run by Trump adviser Elon Musk, {{color|green|published an updated list Monday of nearly 2,300 contracts}} that agencies terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.” / [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5162621-doge-wall-of-receipts-savings/ The Hill] — “The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has initiated the process to terminate roughly {{color|green|1,125 government contracts}}, however 37 percent of those cancellations aren’t expected to yield any savings. {{color|green|DOGE’s “Wall of Receipts” lists 417 contract annulments}}, many of which are for the embattled Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), on the homepage of their website with a dollar amount for total savings.” These are documents, as confirmed by numerous reliable sources. This is no different than the JFK Assassination documents, which are allowed on Wikisource. Also to note, [[WS:DOGE|WikiProject DOGE]] does exist as well. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:*I presume “contracts” are documents, but these are not contracts at all: these are forms which indicate the details of contracts (and of their cancelations). DOGE has not “posted” any “contracts”; they have just identified certain contracts which have been canceled. Your sources mentions “lists,” which is what is on the Web-site proper; the “contracts” themselves are not. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*[https://time.com/7261360/us-doge-musk-canceled-contracts-no-government-savings/ TIME Magazine] - &quot;{{color|green|The Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts that it terminated in recent weeks across the federal government.}}&quot; I.e. &quot;published....1,125 contracts&quot;. Do you have any proof to indicate these are not federal documents? Key word, &quot;documents&quot;? Every source indicates these are very clearly federal documents. Whether they are a table or not is actually ''not'' an issue on Wikisource. That has been established before. Tables are allowed ''as long as'' they are a document. Actually TE(æ)A,ea., [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14785456 you stated that] last month: &quot;{{color|red|The fact that a document is in tabular form does not mean that it needs must be excluded}}&quot;, when you stated the deletion nominator for [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]], was &quot;misreading&quot; the exact policy you are claiming here. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 00:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::**Those ellipses are doing a lot of work; the “list” is what has been “published,” not the “1,125 contracts.” I don’t need “proof” that these are not contracts: they are simply not contracts. Have you ever seen a contract? This is not what a contract looks like. Again, these are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages. The fact that they are tables is irrelevant; this belongs on Internet Archive, not here. Just because something is produced by the federal government (and thus in the public domain) does not mean that it belongs here; we do not maintain archives of official government Web-sites because that is duplicitous of other services, like Internet Archive, which do it better. These tables are not documents, but print-outs of Web pages, and as such are out of scope. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::***Well, your thought process of it entirely disagrees with the wording of RS, namely the TIME Magazine article listed, which directly stated they &quot;published&quot; &quot;contracts&quot;. It is in scope, same as the [[The Finalized Report on the 2024 Little Yamsay Fire]] is in scope. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 03:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::****We’re not Wikipedia; “reliable sources” are worthless. In any case, you misread the ''Time'' article: “Elon Musk last week published an initial list of 1,125 contracts.” Thus, a “list” was “published,” not the contracts. Neither ''Time'' nor the other sources you pulled says that “contracts” were “published.” This comports with reality: ''DOGE.gov'' has a list of hyper-links to contract information; this is a “list of … contracts” in that it identifies which contracts have been canceled, not that the tables are themselves the contracts. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::*****We shall wait for others to see. Clearly, we interpret the English language differently, because “a list of contracts” does not mean a “list” was published, but rather “contracts” was published and it is a list of those published contracts. For the record, deletion of this disrupts other Wikimedia Projects…so per [[WS:SCOPE]], “''Some works which may seem to fail the criteria outlined above may still be included if consensus is reached. This is especially true of works of high importance or historical value, and where the work is not far off from being hostable. Such consensus will be based on discussion at the Scriptorium and at Proposed deletions.''” Even if it is determined (somehow) that DOGE is not actually posting federal documents whatsoever, then it 100% qualifies for a discussion to see if these are high important or have high historical value. Noting that several RS are specifically regarding these documents (examples above…). To note, it was already discussion on English Wikipedia that these documents by DOGE are unarchivable to the WayBack Machine, which plays even a more important role for their value on here, given they actually are unarchivable, despite you saying it belongs there…it actually cannot be there. [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 04:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*{{vd}} per nom. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
* {{vk}} unless further info suggesting otherwise comes to light. The present political reality in the USA is rapidly calling into the question what is &quot;official.&quot; I support taking a more liberal view of what is in scope when it comes to documents caught up in present U.S. federal government activity. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 01:40, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]]: On what subject would this “further info suggesting otherwise” be? I don’t deny that these are official, but that they are documents, as opposed to print-outs of Web pages (which I believe we traditionally exclude as out of scope). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
**:&quot;Official&quot; vs &quot;documents&quot; -- I see, that is a useful distinction. My best interpretation is that these are not the contracts themselves (which would have signatures); however, does a more formal/official record of the ''cancellation'' of the contract exist? I'm not sure. My position is that we should err on the side of caution in this instance. I hedge my !vote precisely because I don't have a great view of what's going on or how it's being recorded. If a better record of the contract and its cancellation becomes available, then I'd support deleting these. (I concede that this may be a break with tradition; however, many of the activities of the federal government right now break with tradition as well.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Cicaden]], [[Gespensterbuch]], [[Wunderbuch]] ==

These pages are neither translations nor versions pages, but are lists of things that were published in particular publications in German.  But none of the linked translations or versions pages have copies that are actually from either of these sources. = There is no scan-backed copy on de.WS, and no content here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:The same applies to [[Aus der Geisterwelt]], no ? According to [[w:Gespensterbuch]] only some of the stories have been translated. Could these go as sub-pages of the author pages ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Author pages are for listing works we have, or could have.  These are listings of German editions published in German language books. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. In that case, there is nothing that can be done. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] after the discussion below, was wondering if you'd be willing to suspend your vote until there's been a wider discussion on the best way to handle non-English anthologies that have had stories translated into English, as many anthologies link to individual stories, and there are currently no rules or guidelines which prevent this. Would be good to see what the overall community consensus is on this (i.e. whether to support the existing precedent of anthologies linking to individual stories, or to adopt a new hardline approach that prevents this) before deleting! Would appreciate your thoughts either way! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]. There wasn't a clear precedent when I created these, so I don't think they're covered (or prohibited as far as I know) by any existing policies, but please could we discuss this at the Scriptorium to decide a precedent one way or the other before deletion, as I think there's a strong case for having translations pages for anthologies from other languages (such as, for example [[Grimm's Household Tales]]), that show links to individual short stories that have been translated, ''especially'' in instances where there have been no complete translations of the entire anthology. Many of these anthologies are notable (such as [[Gespensterbuch]]), and having a single link from Wikipedia for readers to easily view all English translations of short stories from them would be very helpful (especially in cases such as [[Fantasmagoriana]], which has several authors and so no straightforward way to link to here without a separate page like this). If it's decided to put these purely in author pages, then it would be good to decide what is the best way to do this in practice (e.g. some authors have many short stories – so should these short stories be sorted alphabetically by title [if so, most widely used English translation, or original language? – either way would make it difficult for readers to find all stories in a given anthology at a glance], or by year of first publication? Should these short story bullet points list the anthology that it was first published in [in which case, some authors like [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E.T.A. Hoffmann]] tended to publish the stories individually in annuals first, and only later collect them in his best known anthology ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' – so it would be difficult for readers, as at present, to find all translations of the ''Serapionsbrüder'' translations from the author page], or all anthologies, or perhaps just notable ones [if so, how do you define this]?) I guess my point is that the situation is quite complex, and I think there's a strong benefit to readers in having these, and very little to lose by having them, as long as we define clearly situations where they are unnecessary (e.g. perhaps in cases where only one story has been translated into English). Sorry for the wall of text – this might not be a big deal to most editors, but to me it is! --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::Except that these are ''not'' translations pages; they're lists of things published in a language other than English from a collection that also is not in English.  English Wikisource has never hosted pages for works that are not in English and which have not been translated.  The corresponding Author pages have also been made unnecessarily complex as well by listing each German publication for each story as to where it's been published, making it harder to see the story titles.  The removal of all the extraneous information would make it easier for people to see the story titles, instead of a wall of publication information that isn't relevant. --13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:42, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] if you click on any of the links on these pages, they will take you to the English translations of these stories. For [[Gespensterbuch]], about half of the stories have been translated, for [[Wunderbuch]], currently three stories ([[Cicaden]] does seem excessive to me, as it only has one translated story, so would not pass the condition I suggested above). Another example I gave, [[Grimm's Household Tales]], also has about half the stories with links – do you agree that there is still value in having this page as it is, or would you prefer to delete the Individual Tales section? As a result, I think they should be counted as translations pages, and that any non-English anthologies that have had more than one story translated into English should be given translations pages like this (I would prefer them to have complete lists of contents, rather than only including the tales that have been translated, as it helps readers to see which stories have been translated, and which ones haven't, but again I'm aware that there has been no discussion on this yet and opinions may differ). You could argue that these should be portals, but I think there are several reasons translations pages would be best – either way I think would be good to get a broader community consensus on this. I'm not sure how much transcribing of short story translations into English you've done, but this has been the main area I've been working on – so have thought about the pros/cons of different approaches to this stuff quite a bit – but again, it would be good to have wider community feedback and reach a consensus on best practices for non-English anthologies that have had several stories translated into English. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 20:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::But they are not translations from those publications.  The translations are published elsewhere.  A portal combining these items might be possible, but again, there is a lot of listed information about a German-language publication, for which we have no content, and which we will not have because (as you note) the books have not been translated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::If you think more people might participate, you can point people to here from the Scriptorium, but feletion discussions happen on this page, not in the Scriptorium. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::Can I ask what you mean by {{tqi|they are not translations from those publications}} and {{tqi|The translations are published elsewhere}}? As I see it, each translations pages is ''entirely'' about a non-English work, and links to ''all'' English translations of that work (including parts of that work), regardless of where it was published. I think you're saying that as you see it, translations pages should only contain links to complete translations of the entire work? In which case, all of the entries on [[Grimm's Household Tales]] should be deleted as none of them are complete, as well as the list of individual stories, which are also not publications. There are very likely to be many, many other examples like this. Excluding translations that are published as part of larger works would also exclude a huge number of novels (for example, many of the transcriptions of Goethe's novels are published in larger collected works). Again, having worked on transcribing translations over the past few years, I think this is a much more complex area than you might be assuming, and I think this type of translations page for anthologies has real value to readers – with no downsides.{{pbr}}
:::::In terms of this deletion discussion – I might be mistaken (please correct me if I am!) but I think the question of how to handle translations pages for anthologies, and whether they are allowed to link to the individual stories is not a settled issue? There's certainly precedent for individual story translations pages being linked to on anthology translations pages, as I've illustrated above, and there do not seem to have been any discussions on how to handle these cases, nor are they in breach of any rules, policies, or guidelines as far as I can tell? I'd argue that as they're not in contravention of any rules, and there's a precedent for doing this, they should not be deleted until there's been a wider discussion to settle this point first, or a very clear consensus that they should go. If the latter, I would ask that we settle the scope of what can and cannot be included on the translations pages of anthologies, as this will affect many other pages, and it seems extremely unfair to delete without setting up clear guidelines – otherwise how am I, or other editors, to know whether my (or their) past, current, or future work will be deleted later down the line? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 22:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::You are confusing Translations pages with Versions pages that use a translation header template.  Our Translations pages are user-created translations from a scan that has been transcribed at the original language Wikisource.  Our versions pages list editions that we host or can host.  The pages under discussion are neither English translations, nor are they versions pages listing English translations.  They are lists of German language items in a German language publication.  Such things belong at the German Wikisource, not here on the English one.  They violate our most basic principle of [[WS:WWI]] in that they are not English publications or English translations.  Your comparison with ''[[Grimm's Household Tales]]'' misses the fact that the page lists five published translations of the tales, then the versions pages for the individual tales from those five published translations.  The pages being considered currently are not versions pages for any published translations of those books; they are list articles.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::By translations page, I was using the term as defined at [[Wikisource:Style guide#Disambiguation, versions and translations pages]]: {{tqi|A translations page is a special case of a versions page, listing English language translations of a foreign work.}}, which use the template {{tl|translations}}. To be clear, when I used the term &quot;translations page&quot; above, I wasn't claiming that the pages that we were discussing were complete user-translated texts. [[Wikisource:Versions]] does not set out what is to be included on a translations page, neither does it prohibit linking of the individual stories within an anthology – nor does anywhere else in the guidelines – and as I've pointed out above, there is a clear precedent for many years of this happening – you have not said whether you would delete all of these without any community wide discussion first? To delete these pages many years later, when there is clear precedent for individual stories being linked to on translations pages, and there being no clear rules or guidelines that even suggest this is not allowed seems extraordinary. The fact that [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] does not specifically permit this also seems misleading, as it does not permit versions pages (including translations pages) at all – would you suggest we delete them all? The translations pages I've created all exist to provide links to translations of stories that are permitted by [[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] – as I've mentioned above, being able to have one translations page for an anthology is extremely helpful for readers who are interested in the anthology as a whole. Is the main issue for you that they contain the entire contents of the anthology, including stories that we do not know have any translations yet (I've given the reasons I think that's more helpful above, but again am very much open to discussing this and reaching a consensus on best practice)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And on the point about Grimm – please reread what I wrote :) {{tqi|all of the entries on Grimm's Household Tales should be deleted as none of them are complete, '''as well as''' the list of individual stories, which are also not publications}} (emphasis added) – none of the five translations linked to are complete, and most of them have many fewer than half the tales – the individual stories list also contains many stories that do not have links – precisely like the pages you've nominated for deletion – and the stories they link to are not just taken from the five translations – they also include many stories that were translated in periodicals, other anthologies and the like – which adds to their value. Again, not to press the point too much, but you seem to have reached a strong conclusion despite this seeming like an area you don't edit in a lot? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:44, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Your statement about the Grimm listings is incorrect. [[Grimm's Household Tales (Edwardes)]] is complete, scan-backed, and validated.  The copy proofread from [[Index:Grimm-Rackham.djvu]] is also complete.  So the premise for your argument is not true.  These are all English editions of the Grimm collection.  Correct, many of them omit stories found in the original, but that is true of ''many'' English translations.  It is even true of English language editions of English language publications.  The US edition of ''A Clockwork Orange'' was published without the final chapter from the original UK edition.  Incompleteness of an edition or translation does not make it any less an edition.  But all that is tangential to the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::By &quot;complete&quot; I meant &quot;contains all the stories in the anthology&quot;. Edwardes is the only one that is close to this, but still misses several stories (see [[:de:Kinder- und Hausmärchen|de-ws]] for a complete list), and also adds in stories by [[Author:Johann Gustav Gottlieb Büsching|Büsching]], [[Author:Otmar|Otmar]], and [[Author:Johann Ludwig Tieck|Tieck]] – the other four contain many fewer of the Grimm stories, and so none of these are full translations of the original work, which is what you seemed to be arguing for. The fact that that's true for many English translations is exactly my point – this area is much more complex than you seem to be suggesting. If you consider these partial translations, which contain stories by other authors not found in the original text, to be &quot;versions&quot; of Grimm, where do you draw the line? And why is this line you're drawing not documented in any rules or guidelines? If you consider Taylor and Jardine's [[German Popular Stories]] to be an edition of Grimm, then why not consider [[Tales of the Dead]] to be an edition of [[Gespensterbuch]] (half of the stories are Gespensterbuch stories)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:In general, this is again the same thing we have hit again and again with partial translations, &quot;compound works,&quot; and our &quot;no excerpt policy.&quot; I really don't see the harm of a. listing non complete editions of ''[[One Thousand and One Nights]]'' here and being dogmatic that only complete translations of the whole work are allowed to be listed  and b. listing things like individual Fables here [[Fables (Aesop)]], individual sonnets by Shakespeare here [[Shakespeare's Sonnets]], individual books of the [[Bible]], etc. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::I really would find it annoying if we have to start keeping parallel lists of translations. Oh this translation of the Acts was published in ''The New Testament'' so look there, this other translation is published in ''The Bible'' look there and this other translation was published in individual volumes so look under the individual book.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 00:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::What does [[Cicaden]] have that isn't better presented at [[Author:Johann August Apel]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::[[Gespensterbuch]] seems perfectly reasonable as it is split across multiple authors and multiple translations, exactly why it makes sense to have a listing. Why would I expect to find a listing of works by Laun on Apel's page or Apel on Laun's page? What is the problem about wikilinking to Gepensterbuch from another work talking about it? Presumably you don't want a cross-namespace redirect Gespesnterbuch --&gt; Author:Apel? What's wrong about having WP link to this page? I am confused about what exact problem we are solving besides separating out complete from partial translations... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 07:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::And I am confused about what is the point of scan-backing this at DE WS. How does that help in any way? This isn't claiming to be a WS user-provided translation. Where is there anything about to host any published translation that you need to have a scan-backed version first? That to host [[The Philippine Islands, 1493-1898]] I first need to transcribe the original documents in Latin and Spanish? [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 09:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::It is claiming to be an English language translation of ''Cicaden'', but it is not.  It is a bibliographic article written and constructed by a User.  It is original content provided by the user, and not published content.  We do not put user-generated content in the Mainspace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::So the problem is exactly my point about partial translations. Having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Torah misrepresents because it is a partial and not a complete translation, having [[Bible]] link to a translation of only the Gospels misrepresents because it isn't a complete translation, having ''[[The Tale of Genji]]'' link to ''[[The Sacred Tree]]'' is a misrepresentation, etc. I frankly don't see the problem that ''The Tale of Genji'' list 6 sub-books on the translations page, Of course a translations page is bibliographic created by the user, just like every author page listing works is bibliographic. We can discuss the correct '''presentation''' to list the individual poems, stories, plays, volumes etc. in a published collection to make clearer the separation (e.g. whether we should have &quot;Individual stories&quot; section) and provide guidance around that. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:55, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The problem with [[Bible]] is different: it's blending a Versions page and a Disambiguation page.  That's not happening with our current discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Or AEsop's ''Fables,'' ''One Thousand and One Nights'', any of the large collections of poetry, etc. I haven't seen a convincing argument why listing the poems in a poetry collection is bad, listing the stories in a short story collection is bad, etc. My vote is cast. {{vk}} [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::So, we can start creating pages that list contents of periodicals that were not published in English, and which have not been translated?  As long as one story or poem from the periodical was translated into English somewhere?  Would the listing of [[Loeb Classical Library]] be OK to list translations that were not actually published as part of the Loeb series, as long as the translation were for the same work? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am fine limiting it to parts that are translated if that is really the concern (just like we do for Author pages, where we also don't want Authors with loads of titles that weren't translated). And yes I don't see it obviously bad to have say ''Istra''  or ''Pravda'' and then link to a translation of Lenin's articles published in ''Istra'', a link to a translation of Stalin's articles in ''Istra'' etc. I really don't follow the Loeb point. The first entry is &quot;L001 (1912) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica Translation by Seaton.&quot; which links to ''[[Argonautica]]'' which lists all translations of that work. Like ''[[The Works of Aristotle]]'' and many other collective works list the constitute volumes and the texts they contain. I have my opinion that having the context for these work in their original publication is valuable on the merits, you are free to disagree, and I feel that there are common enough occurrences / enough uncertainty within policy statements that there isn't consensus. If more people chime in, I am happy to defer to community consensus. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 21:47, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::My Loeb concern is a parallel to the current one.  If we can host a page for ''Cicaden'', listing a work that was translated, but for which the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden'', then could the Loeb page link to just ''any'' translation of the same classical work, by any translator, published anywhere?  And if not, then why can we do that for ''Cicaden''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:34, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::But [[Loeb Classical Library]] is not a translations page, it's a &quot;base page&quot; of a book series (along the lines of [[Wikisource:Multi-volume works]]), which links to all the works in the Loeb library. Loeb is a series of translations into English, so its page is about ''those specific translations into English'', while translations pages are another thing altogether: they are about one non-English work, and list all translations of that work into English (I think we agree above, re Grimm, that these do not have to be full translations – partial translations into English are ok – and sometimes they contain translations not in the original text too – however you seem to be saying that translations must be published as separate works in their own right, though there are many cases where this is not the case, e.g. the ''Works of Goethe'' mentioned above). I'm confused when you say {{tqi|the translation was '''not''' in ''Cicaden'', nor part of a translation of ''Cicaden''}}, as translations of non-English works are never ''in'' the non-English work (by definition) and the translation linked to there ''is'' a translation of part of ''Cicaden'' (in a sense, the translation when considered alone is an {{tqi|incomplete edition}} of ''Cicaden'', to paraphrase the term you gave above). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::@[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]: Your response dodges the question by stretching the analogy past its intended point of application.
::::::::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] What do you think? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: you still haven't said which rules or guidelines prevent translations pages of anthologies, such as these, from linking to individual stories, yet seem to be implying that this is a settled question. If this does contravene Wikisource policy, why have you not deleted all of the many &quot;individual stories&quot; sections in the examples linked to above? And why are you reluctant for this to be discussed more widely, to see if there is a community consensus on this issue, and to allow guidelines to be written that cover this? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:Just a note that I've added &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections to these articles, and removed all stories that have no known English translations, pending any future discussion. Would still like to know which rules the nominator is saying prevents these from being considered as translations pages, or if this is just based on personal interpretation of what translations pages are allowed to be. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 12:08, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::I say that there is nothing that ''permits'' these to be counted as translations pages, since (as you note) there are no English translations of the works ''Cicaden'', etc.  With no English translations, the pages should not exist.  If you feel that these ''are'' permitted, then there should be some evidence somewhere for that positive claim.  Burden of proof lies in demonstrating positive evidence, not negative, since negative evidence by its very nature cannot exist.  Under what criteria do you think they ''do'' fall within scope? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::There clearly ''are'' translations of parts of them, which are linked to – and you already said above that many English translations are not complete – where are you drawing the line of what's allowed to be considered a translations page, any why isn't it documented? You're saying that Wikisource effectively has a &quot;whitelist&quot; approach to what is allowed – that everything must specifically be permitted, rather than a &quot;blacklist&quot; approach, prohibiting things which go against consensus, or some middle ground? Again, please can you link to the policy which says that this is the case. And again, ''nothing'' is specifically permitted on translations pages – no guidelines that I'm aware of have been written, only precedent of what has existed for many years – which is why I'm asking that we settle the principle first with wider community consensus, if you decide that it's no longer allowed. It would make life much easier to have all of this clarified in policy, so that editors can work under the assumption that their work won't be deleted. I'd also say there is no reason that any of this has be an adversarial process – surely the whole point is to be able to work together collaboratively to improve the project, rather than just yelling at each other? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See my question above concerning what this would mean for periodicals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:18, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Your question above shows that this not a settled question – you're admitting that there are no guidelines around this, and explaining rhetorically why you believe your position should be the correct one ad absurdum. Going into the details like this, admitting the complexity of this stuff, and working out where to draw the line is exactly what I'm saying we should do – and that a deletion discussion singling out only a few examples of this isn't the best place for this discussion (especially when the examples you've come up with that show why this approach is bad are purely hypothetical, and aren't anywhere in these articles you've nominated for deletion). Would be good to discuss at Scriptorium to set the rules first, then apply them here. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Also, you've repeated the same question that I've already answered. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, when I asked you to link to the policy these articles are in breach of, you came up with some philosophical reasoning about this, which seems to show that it ''is'' purely your interpretation of the rules, not the rules themselves, and I then asked you for the rules which support ''this''. So to make sure we're all on the same page, you seem to be saying that Wikisource has a whitelist approach – that only things specifically permitted are allowed, rather than a blacklist approach, or some combination of the two – if so, where is the policy that supports this, or is this again just your interpretation (if you're saying that your answer above is also an answer to this, then you seem to be accepting that ''is'' just your interpretation, and there are no policies that support what you're saying)? --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::As I said, I have already replied.  Please do not spin your own original ideas into my response. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Not trying to spin anything – just trying to understand the rules you're saying these pages are in violation of. (I think you seem to have a very clear idea about how you think these rules should be applied, but it does look a lot like personal interpretation, and not based on any written rules, policies, or guidelines – I'm asking that, regardless of which way the community consensus falls on this issue, this is resolved as a written policy – I'm not sure why you would be opposed to this). --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:08, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' I’m not convinced of the deletion rationale in the first place, but the nominator’s ill behaviour throughout the course of the discussion is very unbecoming. If another editor thinks these pages problematic, perhaps they can be nominated again in the future, but I don’t think that this discussion is very useful at this point. These lists are clearly valuable for people interested in approaching a specific bibliographical question; meanwhile, I don’t really see any negative in keeping them. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:25, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

*Having only skimmed the TL;DR above, and looking at the pages for the first time just now, I wonder why these pages are not in the Portal: namespace. They would seem to me to be about linking to various pages within a wider project of translating the German originals. The pages don't sit comfortably in Mainspace: as they are not works themselves, nor are they any of our type of disambiguation page. Portal: namespace is much more suitable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:30, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] I wouldn't be against this – but I think allowing translations pages to link to individual stories/poems is a better option for a couple of reasons: in cases where there are both full translations '''and''' individual story translations (such as [[Grimm's Household Tales]] and [[Fables (Aesop)]]), it would be easier for readers to have both on the same page, rather than a See also section with a link to a Portal: page (as I think most readers would have no idea what a portal is, or why they would have to go there to see another list about the same work). In cases where an author has some anthologies that have been translated as complete works, and other anthologies where each story has been translated separately (such as [[Author:Ernst Theodor Wilhelm Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]], where ''Die Serapionsbrüder'' has been translated in one work, while ''Nachtstücke'' has had each story translated separately) it would be strange to link from the author page to a translations page for one, and a portal for the other – again I think this would confuse readers for no good reason. I would also not be surprised if overzealous Wikidatarers several years from now objected to some Wikidata items for anthologies linking to portal pages here while other anthologies linked to mainspace translations pages! But all that said, I'm glad to be able to discuss this and wouldn't be devastated if portals was what the community consensus agreed on – but as this affects many existing translations pages, not just the three nominated here, and because there's been precedent for many years of translations pages containing &quot;Individual stories&quot; sections, I hope it would be possible to have a Scriptorium discussion to settle the issue first, and ideally create a set of guidelines for the best way to handle this, which we could then apply to ''all'' of these pages. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:32, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

==[[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven, in Fife-shire.pdf]]==
This scan is missing two pages; we have several other copies of the same work ([[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (1).pdf|1]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (2).pdf|2]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|3]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|4]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fife-shire (3).pdf|5]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf|6]], [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buckhaven in Fife-shire.pdf|7]]). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

:Some of these appear to be different editions.  The image on the title pages differs among them.  Have you determined which one of the others is an identical edition? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:32, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}}: none of these appear to be the same edition. The closest that comes is [[Index:Ancient and modern history of Buck-haven in Fifeshire.pdf]], but it was published 11 years later and the formatting is different. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*[[User:Alien333|Alien]]: That’s why I started a discussion here. There’s no reason to keep a broken scan, which will never be repaired as there is no complete copy in existence, especially when we have half a dozen scans of other editions of the same work. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:20, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{vk}} - that seems to me a good reason to keep what there is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[Treaty of Vienna (Seventh Coalition)]] ==

Compilation of chosen chapters from a publication and of Wikisource annotations.

The book contains text published in British and Foreign State Papers, Volume 2. First there are some chapters from pages [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA444#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false 443 to 450], followed by a short chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA727#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 727], and again a chapter from [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yptfSzYlxrsC&amp;pg=PA750#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false page 450]. All this is accompanied by user created annotations, while original notes are left out. Overall the page is a compilation created to serve some narrative purpose, not a faithful published edition of a work. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:04, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:I am not exactly following the &quot;narrative purpose,&quot; it seems to me that it is a straightforward example of a disambiguation page / versions page as the two separate agreements (the &quot;Russian treaty and the &quot;Austrian treaty&quot;) are what make up the seventh coalition and are referred to as the &quot;Treaty of Vienna&quot;. It wouldn't surprise me if we found a later anthology of treaties that does a presentation exactly like here of them together while others treat them separately (and possibly being the origin of the comparative foot notes). A similar example is the Treaty / Peace of Westphalia, &quot;the collective name for two peace treaties,&quot; where you might have editions that print both treaties as one thing (hence &quot;versions&quot;) while other editions that print each of the two treaties separately (hence &quot;disambiguation&quot;). Until this is sourced it is hard to know which our current example is, it might have been a copy of a later edition that did the joining / annotations or it might have been the user. Given it is short, I would recommend just scan-backing the dozen or so pages linked in the &quot;References&quot;, and convert to a disambiguation page to them.  [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 23:49, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::Scanbacking would be great, without the Wikisource annotations, especially if the whole book were transcribed. If not the whole book, transcribing only the specific chapters would be good too, but the chapters should not be compiled together, they should be kept in the original order as in the book, with the original book's ToC. Extracting works from anthologies is not a very good practice itself, and combining them into non-existent editions of works is explicitely forbidden in WS.{{pbr}}It is quite possible, though not certain, that some anthology with similar compilation exists. If it does, it can be transcribed here too, but it must not be us who make such compilation. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 08:06, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced editions of poems from The Princess ==

The following poems from Tennyson's ''The Princess'' are unsourced, and we have scan-backed editions of them in [[The Hundred Best Poems (lyrical) in the English language - second series]] (though not, as it happens, in our edition of [[The Princess; a medley]]).

* [[The Splendour Falls]]
* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]
* [[Ask Me No More]]

—[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 23:41, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

:The first and last both state that they are taken from physical copies of books - so they are not really unsourced, are they ? Just not scan-backed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
::That's true. I still think they should be deleted though. They can't be scan backed because the editions they were checked against are not fully in the public domain. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:23, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
:::That does not seem a strong enough reason for deleting those two. We can have multiple versions of the poems. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes we can have multiple versions, but we don't keep non-scan-backed versions when we have scan-backed versions. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::Is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::From: [[Wikisource:Deletion policy]] &quot;Redundant: Two versions of the same text on different pages, with no significant differences between them. An unsourced work that is redundant to a sourced (scanned) version.&quot; [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 18:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I've wondered multiple times if this extends to different editions. e.g., should [[Anna Karenina (Garnett)]], a PG copy of the 1901 translation, be deleted as redundant to [[Anna Karenina (Dole)]], a scan-backed copy of the 1899 translation? The &quot;same text&quot; next to the &quot;unsourced [...] redundant to a [...] (scanned) version&quot; can cause confusion. We should probably try to clarify that passage to explicitate whether or not G4 allows for deletion in cases like this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] - does different layout count as a &quot;significant difference&quot; ? Or only the actual text ? --
:::::::[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] My impression is that what counts as &quot;significant difference&quot; is up to interpretation because people's opinions might vary, and hence the creation of threads on a case-by-case basis rather than something an admin can apply via a clear rule. As an example, edition differences might be something like year of publication from the same plates to for example a text-book being rewritten by another editor with whole new sections. There is also a general trend towards requiring scan-backed as opposed to merely stating a source, even if there may not be consensus around that yet. Hopefully, by slowly chipping away at our backlog of non-scan-backed works, we can reach consensus as the number of affected works by a change in policy become less and less. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 05:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::This discussion seems to have ground to a halt. To clarify, I do think that:
:::::::::* [[O Swallow, Swallow]]
:::::::::* [[Thy Voice Is Heard]]
:::::::::* [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]]{{br}}
:::::::::should be made into redirects to the versions in &quot;The Hundred Best Poems&quot;.
:::::::::I suggest the other two should be moved and those pages made into versions pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:12, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I want to point out that &quot;Redundant&quot; isn't really the relevant point of policy here; if it were redundant I would have deleted it already under [[WS:CSD]] rather than posting it here for discussion. Instead, the reason I want to delete them, is that editions without scans are generally tolerated only because some works do not have any scans available; but these two poems not only ''do'' have scans available, but those scans have already been proofread and are already present on enWS. The most relevant policy here is not [[WS:CSD]], but rather [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]]. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:18, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
:Update: I have deleted [[O Swallow, Swallow]], [[Thy Voice Is Heard]], and [[Home They Brought Her Warrior Dead]] and replaced them with redirects (or in the case of Swallow, with a versions page). 
:However, I still believe that [[The Splendour Falls]] and [[Ask Me No More]] should be deleted, since they are from a publication that cannot be hosted here in full, which is something we usually only allow if no better edition is available, and that is not the case here. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:12, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
::&quot;something we usually only allow if no better edition is available&quot; - is that rule stated somewhere ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:44, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably not, but it's acknowledged at [[WS:WWI#Unsourced]] at least —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 01:12, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council]] ==

Currently [[WS:Copyright discussions#Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto's farewell speech to the United Nations Security Council|discussed]] also in Copyright discussions.

I am nominating it here for deletion as an apparent and imprecise second-hand transcription. While the original source of this work is [https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/586026?v=pdf here], beginning with paragraph 58, the suspected source of our transcription is [https://defence.pk/threads/zulfiqar-ali-bhutto-fiery-speech-at-the-un-security-council-dec-1971.31067/]. Our text contains various typos or differences in wording in comparison with the original, but matches exactly with the other transcription. Just a few examples:

Original: has excelled in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: has excelled; in the art of filibustering&lt;br /&gt;
Suspected source: has excelled; in the art of filibustering

Original: meet at 9.30 a.m. or whether bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: meet at 9.30 a.m. or that bed and breakfast required&lt;br /&gt;

Original: And why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
Our text: Why should China...&lt;br /&gt;
S.Source: Why should China...

I found these after very brief and superficial comparison, so it is certain that a more detailed comparison would discover more. Because second-hand transcriptions are not allowed here (their unreliability being one of the reasons of their exclusion), I suggest deletion of the text. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Except that site that you link says it was sourced ''from'' wikisource, and was posted in 2009 when our work dates from 2008. So I suppose that either our text was taken from some other unidentified source or it was transcribed directly from the video. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::Ah, sorry, haven't noticed that. However, I have found some original video too, and our text does not follow what is being said there either. For example:

::Video text:...So what if we are obliterated.
::Our text: ...So what if our state is obliterated.

::So it is not a direct transcription of the speech either. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
:This strikes as exactly the standard, we have an unsourced edition. Especially with speeches, these type of errors could come from a differences in sourcing, e.g. prepared vs. delivered, official vs various unofficial transcriptions. I would treat this as we routinely do for other unsourced editions, replace with a sourced / backed edition with clear sourcing, as opposed to deleting it without replacement. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 13:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::We cannot keep it as unsourced because I found the probable source and linked to it above. However, our policy regarding second-hand transcriptions does not allow accepting such sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Which probable source was that ? What you originally thought was the source seemed more likely to have been taken from the wikisource version. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah, true, you had already written that before, I am sorry. I am still not convinced about this &quot;version&quot; being worthy keeping, but I understand your point. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|I have added a {{tl|delete}}.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875]] ==

This page is based on a Commons PDF created from a website.  We have not accepted user-created PDFs based on website secondhand transcriptions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]], please see my Talk Page for a response to this.
:Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::The deletion discussion is happening here.  If there is information the community should know before making a decision, then that information should be included in the conversation here, and not in some other location. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Hello all, I have since found the original copies of the legislation on the Legislation Index by the UK government, I plan to upload these to Wiki Commons tomorrow and request for the deletion of the old, source which breaches ToS.
:::The one on the 'www.legislation.gov.uk' is over 100 years old and therefore is covered under the [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Open Government License 3.0], which permits me to upload it.
:::If anyone has anything else to add, don't be hesitant to reply. Most of the talking happened on my [[User talk:Duck Dur|Talk Page]] and can be viewed there.
:::Regards,
:::&lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 20:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I've just added in the new source piece from the Legislation Index that is covered under the Open Government License.
::::Please do tell me if this qualifies for a revocation of the deletion order. [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 09:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that with a primary source, this can be kept, if that's the question.
:::::(Also: it's not really a question of &quot;order&quot; - it's a discussion, which will, except for a few exceptions, last at least a week.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::Great, thank you! [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, though, you need to actually change the text of the page. Right now it's still the content from website, and that's very different from the content of the PDF.
:::::::So unless you transcribe the PDF itself, this is still out of scope. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::::::::Thank you for seeing that, I shall update it now (if not, by this evening GMT time)
::::::::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Updated [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 21:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think that now we've got this transcribing accurately an actual primary scan. Good to keep? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Where?  I do not see any transcription from a scan on the nominated page, nor any link above to an Index for such a scan. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:12, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::The page's header does links to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Public_Records_(Ireland)_Act_1867_Amendment_Act_1875.pdf the scan at commons], which itself links to [https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/38-39/59/contents/enacted the gov.uk source]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::How does that equate to &quot;now we've got this transcribing accurately&quot;?  No transcription from the scan has been made into Page: namespace for transclusion.  The margin for the sidenotes only covers the numbered items portion of the page, but should run for the entire document.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Though it's certainly better, I think it's not mandatory for transcriptions to be necessarily through proofreadpage. (Or else we've got hundreds of work to delete, if a link to a scan isn't a sufficient source.)
::::::::::::::On sidenotes, {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::When the transcription is supported by a Commons file, but isn't yet proofread in Page space, there really ought to be an Index and a template advising migration to the scan-supported Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

:There is now an Index based on the Commons file, BUT it seems to be a damaged file that doesn't want to display.  Delete all and start again with a good scan. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
::Hello ShakespeareFan00, I’m the original creator/uploader of this page. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;damaged file&quot;? The file seems okay on my end.
::Regards, [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 22:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
:::The standalone copy at [[Index:The Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875.pdf]] gives problems with the second and third pages. The underlying file at Commons seems fine when I download from there, but is showing problems with the thimbnails. @[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] has now added a transclusion from a different source. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:53, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Declaration de Ravachol original.djvu]] ==

This is the manuscript original of the ''Déclarations de Ravachol'', which is already translated from [[Index:Déclarations de Ravachol.djvu]].  This makes it a duplicate French text.  Per [[Wikisource:Translations]] (under &quot;Wikisource original translations&quot;): &quot;There should only be a single translation to English per original language work.&quot;  So having a second translation from French of the same French work goes against policy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' As you yourself state, they are two different works: the manuscript version and the published version. Thus, we may have an English-language translation of each. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:No, they are different manifestions of the ''same'' work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*Yes, they are different; as I said, they are different editions, and can be translated differently. The policy is put in place to avoid multiple different translations of the same work, not to avoid translations of multiple editions. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:Policy restricts user-created translations to one from each ''work'', not one from each ''edition''.  And it was precisely textual variation possibilities that led to capping the number at one; otherwise, every textual variant of every Biblical book, every Greek play, every Vedic prayer, becomes a possible new Wikisource-original translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*No, that is not the case; the issue is multiple translations of the same specific work, not translations of multiple editions of one work. Using an English work as an example, (and thus presuming it to be written in a foreign language so that we would apply our rules), we could only have one edition of ''Leaves of Grass'', which would have one of two results: either we omit material found in one edition but not another, or we produce a Frankenstein’s monster of an edition (like Project Gutenberg) that contains all of the disparate elements. Both of these options are obviously bad, and they could both be avoided by following my approach. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 19:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
*:*:*:We voted in policy that restricts one translation per ''work'', not per ''edition'', or ''version'', or ''manifestation'', or anything else below the top-level of ''work''.  The term &quot;work&quot; encompasses all variant forms.  In your response above, you witch meanings of &quot;work&quot; within the first sentence alone.  I cannot accept that different editions are actually separate works, or we would have no versions pages and no translations pages; the core idea is that the versions and translations are grouped together because they are the same work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:(I used AI for translating my answer because I figured it would be easier and more clear to write it in my native tongue before translating it) I would like to speak to explain why I think we should either keep both versions or simply the handwritten one. To do so, we need to briefly introduce the history of these texts. Ravachol was arrested and put on trial at the beginning of 1892; during his second trial, he was accused of having committed murders and was facing the death penalty (which he would ultimately receive). He wrote a text to read during the trial, but it was refused by the judge, and Ravachol gave it to his lawyer, Louis Lagasse, on 21st? 22nd? June 1892. On the manuscript, we see two hands: the first corresponds to that of Ravachol, and he corrects his own text by making deletions and changing words, and the second, which does not use the same ink, calligraphy, or spelling. This second hand corrects only the spelling mistakes, so it’s not really important for this discussion, but I mention it anyway. Lagasse passes this text on to the conservative newspaper Le Temps, which republishes it on 23rd June 1892, largely based on the manuscript (although they add punctuation and make some mistakes in reading, the text remains 95% the same, we could say, differing only on orthographic issues here and there).
:This first published version was heavily criticised by French anarchist circles, notably ''La Révolte'', the main French anarchist newspaper of the time (or at least one of the main ones, even if it was losing momentum at the time, but that doesn’t matter much). They found it too ‘stupid’ and not good enough; and ten days later, on 3rd July 1892, Lagasse publishes the second version – which is the one that went down in history but differs greatly from Ravachol’s text. I made a small compilation of the most notable differences, and the text is not very long, so removing or adding a paragraph – something already not insignificant in a long work – is really huge here. There are three types of differences, since I’ll skip over the spelling and typographical questions, which are not very relevant and belong more to the ‘normal’ editorial work, let’s say – Lagasse adds passages, Lagasse removes passages, Lagasse rewrites passages. I think in the sample you have a bit of each; the conclusion, for example, is completely Lagasse’s creation – he makes a sort of lyrical outburst about the fact that he (Lagasse's Ravachol) is merely a worker and that this would give him a particular relationship to repression, etc – which is typically the kind of rhetoric one can find in the bourgeois imaginary of that time, by the way. In the sample, we also see a long passage about his relation to anarchism, the reasons why he chose it, and what he envisions for the future, which Lagasse removes altogether; there are also passages where he talks about manual trades (silk work, baking), characteristic of the working class of the fin de siècle, and one might note that silk work is a profession particularly present in Montbrison, where he was being tried and where he was born; so we probably have here a kind of historical opening either onto his choice of using that example or a reinforcement of the fact that the imaginary he develops in his text is deeply marked by the working-class world of his time. Lagasse removes that.
:In my view, we should keep both; because the text given by Lagasse had an influence on the history of the left, which never read the manuscript nor the edition of the manuscript in Le Temps, if you will; but at the same time, if we had to keep only one – since I was told that was the way it had to be – I would choose to keep Ravachol’s directly; we know it is from him, we know it is his thinking and his text, and it is published in almost identical form except for a few errors by Le Temps, and this publication precedes Lagasse’s (logical).
:{{collapse|Original : For today, if you destroy one criminal, tomorrow ten more will rise. So what must be done? Destroy misery—the seed of crime—by ensuring everyone’s needs are met. And how easy this would be! All it would take is to rebuild society on new foundations, where all is held in common, where each produces according to their abilities and strength, and consumes according to their needs. No longer would we waste labor on useless, harmful things—safes, locks—since there’d be no fear of theft or murder. No more need for money to survive, no dread that the baker might lace bread with dangerous additives to cheat customers. Why would they? Profit would vanish; like everyone else, they’d have easy access to necessities for their work and life. No more inspectors weighing bread, testing coins, or auditing accounts—none of it would matter.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version :
:There will always be criminals, for today you destroy one, and tomorrow ten more will arise. So, what is needed? To destroy poverty, the breeding ground of crime, by ensuring that everyone’s needs are met! And how easy this would be to achieve! It would suffice to reorganize society on new foundations where everything is held in common, and where each person, producing according to their abilities and strengths, could consume according to their needs.
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : In the silk industry, we would no longer see the rampant speculation that has plagued it from the start—where middlemen force silk to absorb various additives to increase its weight or create a false appearance. By the time the silk reaches the dyer, these same additives must be stripped away so the fabric can properly absorb dyes and chemical fixatives. Then, at the dyer’s turn—and because the manufacturer demands it—the silk is made to absorb up to four-fifths (or more) of its natural weight in processing agents.
:::::::This is especially true for black-dyed silk; I cannot confirm if colored silks are as heavily adulterated, but I am certain many are.
:Yet if we carefully consider all the wasted materials and labor expended to produce them, it becomes clear how much effort is squandered in saturating silk with these chemicals—only to later burn them out. The silk itself is ruined by excessive treatments, many of which are hazardous to workers and render the fabric unsafe against the skin. Even the dust released as these chemicals dry poses health risks.
:Under a rational system, dyeing would no longer be a haphazard process, as it is today. Work could be organized efficiently, eliminating the absurdity of dyeing batches ranging from a hundred grams to a hundred kilograms—a practice born solely from the chaos of competing interests. (end of the text)
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version : Removes that whole part
:&lt;br&gt;
:Original : Nothing there 
:&lt;br&gt;
:Lagasse's version (adds a conclusion where Ravachol would say something about the fact that he is a worker and this would make him feel even more the repressive nature of laws ; a whole part of the text (the conclusion) not to be found anywhere else) (and I mean it doesn't take a PhD to figure that this kind of sentences are not from an illiterate man) : &quot;I am only an uneducated worker; but because I have lived the life of the wretched, I feel the injustice of your repressive laws more deeply than any wealthy bourgeois. Where do you get the right to kill or imprison a man who, brought into this world with the necessity to live, found himself forced to take what he lacked in order to feed himself? I worked to live and to provide for my family; as long as neither I nor mine suffered too much, I remained what you call honest. But then work became scarce, and with unemployment came hunger. It was then that the great law of nature, that imperative voice that brooks no reply—the instinct for survival—drove me to commit some of the crimes and offenses you accuse me of, and which I admit to having committed.}} [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 19:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
::And also, I forgot but I should say that we shouldn't forget that Lagasse's version wasn't designed to be an actual rendition of Ravachol's  words or text ; this is probably what he tried to do by giving the manuscript to Le Temps first, but after the huge criticism Le Temps and him received, he probably switched ; what I mean is that we are not in presence of a 'random' editor of the text who would do a normal editorial work ; Lagasse was his lawyer and had to defend him ; and this clearly superceded the idea of giving a good edition of the text. This is why the auction website which published the mss photographs I used claims that while we can't really say that Lagasse falsified, because he did that to help Ravachol and in many cases he actually retook what Ravachol had done, well, it was not that far. [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 20:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
:::And I speak too much (sorry :( ) but I mean I created Author:Ravachol like 2 days ago and was the one who added and translated the Lagasse's version today, like 3/4 hours before adding the manuscript, so it's not like I'm asking to destroy the edition of someone else who did a great job and deserve to keep their text + that is well received in Wikisource since decades, you know. I just feel like if we need to chose, and it seems we do, let's chose the actual base. We would lose the Lagasse's version but I mean it will still exist in FR:Wikisource in 2 different editions (1892 and 1935) + there are translations online of that version (Marxist.org among others) so :shrugging: [[User:Aristoxène|Aristoxène]] ([[User talk:Aristoxène|talk]]) 22:13, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

== All unproofread pages from Plum Bun ==

As discovered in [[User talk:Prospectprospekt#Plum Bun|this conversation]], all of the pages attached to [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]] were all created by match-and-split using a secondhand text, which runs afoul of [[WS:WWI]]. Therefore, all of the unproofread pages attached to this Index should be deleted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Unless they are hindering your or others' ability to proofread the work, I believe that these pages should be kept. From my experience, match-and-splitting from a secondhand source slashes proofreading time in half because you can just use the &quot;compare changes&quot; button to check for scannos instead of having to read or skim the entire OCR text. These pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;--I am using them to ''help me proofread''; I am not ''presenting them as proofread''. Only the latter goes against what I believe is the purpose of our prohibition on second-hand transcriptions, which is to prevent misrepresentation. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 23:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::I see no evidence at all that you are using the match-and-split to help you proofread.  You proofread the first 46 in March, then did a match-and-split one month later for the remaining 340 pages, and have done no proofreading since then on any of those match-and-split pages.
::The deletion nomination is the result of misuse of match-and-split.  First, the filling in and Index from a secondhand text is a ''violation of policy''.  The text should be generated ''from the scan'', and not from some secondhand source.  Second, the filling in an Index from a second-hand source itself ''misrepresents what has been done''.  Some of us have a lot more experience with the fallout of match-and-split.  When outside sources are pasted in, that results in errors to spelling and punctuation, and those errors persist for years, even decades.  Third, this is a Monthly Challenge work, and my experience is that once the text has been generated, most new editors who participate in the MC do not compare the text against the scan for discrepancies, but instead look for inherently misspelled words and missing punctuation.  So the secondhand transcription creates problems for Wikisource on multiple levels. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Your final point is valid, while your second and third points are the reason why the pages are marked &quot;not proofread&quot;. When proofreading, I am not changing the secondhand text; rather, I am changing the OCR-generated text and comparing that to the secondhand text. I did this for the second half of [[Iola Leroy]] and plan to do this for other works. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 01:49, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The issue isn't that you are not changing the secondhand text, but rather that you're using a secondhand text at all. You used a bot to paste in the secondhand text into every page creation. When you do that, the text (OCR) from the text layer of the scan is gone. At that point no editor has the means to compare them unless they have the technical know-how to directly access the text layer hidden in the scan without using the editor.  The majority of users here do not know how to do that. So you have prevented most users from accessing that text layer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I don't care anymore if these pages are deleted or kept. This is because this is a scan of the UK edition, while the American edition has different pagination and I want to transcribe that. My sole desire now is to not be prohibited from using second-hand transcriptions in the future. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::Just my opinion: if you use second-hand transcription as a basis of a real proofreading process using the proofread extention and if you proofread it in a short time after adding such text to the work's index pages, it could imo be tolerated. However, such a text should definitely not be added here, replacing original OCR layer, and then left abandoned for months. So, I am supporting the deletion, too. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] - you are comparing the OCR text with this other source ? Are you looking at the actual scans ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08]] ==

Now redundant to [[Index:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu]]. Apparently this used to use single images as pages, but now that we have a full scan, this mapping is redundant. Courtesy ping to previous editors: {{ping|Library Guy|Billinghurst|Bob Burkhardt|Einstein95|Nosferattus|p=}}. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{sm|([[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]]: IIRC pings don't work without a signature, so I think these people were not pinged in the end. Except if my adding a signature pings them *shrug*.)}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:51, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|Alien333}} I've tried resigning my own message in the hope it helps. [[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] ([[User talk:Duckmather|talk]]) 18:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{comment}} All of these pages: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Index:The_New_International_Encyclopædia_1st_ed._v._08]] will need to be edited to fix transclusion.  There are about 50 article pages whose transclusion was broken in a Jan 2022 bot edit.  I am moving all of the .jpg transcribed pages into the new Index, but the articles will still have to be fixed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:All of the individual pre-existing content pages have now been migrated to the DjVu Index. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} All of those jpg pages were fake. Their transcriptions are not accurate and should probably not be copied over. The fake pages were created from a different edition that has different content (including both formatting and wording changes). I think it would be best to re-transcribe them from scratch (considering how cursory most of the proofreading on Wikisource is). [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 19:33, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::They were not &quot;fake&quot;; they were proofread against image pages sources from Google Books.  A cursory examination showed that they contain the same content as the corresponding pages of the DjVu scan.  If there are differences, then they can be proofread against the scan.  As it was, they were hidden from view, without bringing the issue to anyone.  If they should have been deleted for being from a different edition, then they should have been tagged and nominated here.  Likewise for the pages that transclude them.  All this should have been done ''before'' the pages were moved, not after. Could you please provide specific examples of the differences you mention?  I do not see them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to slap me: was this the volume where we had an issue with photoshopped pages to merge editions, or am I confusing this with an EB1911-related thingy? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:30, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Several of the pages were, in fact, faked with modifications made in Photoshop or a similar program. For example, [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 001.jpg]] (which was deleted from Commons), [[:File:NIE 1905 - p. 810.jpg]], and [[:File:NIE 1905 - title page.jpg]] (which I replaced with a scan of the actual title page). I am sure that there are content differences (not just formatting differences) between the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition. I don't remember what the specific content differences are, but that was the reason I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index:The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14950883 blanked the index] and started the discussion on the Scriptorium. The differences were minor wording changes and I don't think they will be caught by proofreaders. These pages should not be used for the 1905 edition and they should be transcribed from scratch. I'm sorry I didn't nominate them for deletion at the time. I tried to bring this to everyone's attention on the Scriptorium, but I guess that wasn't adequate. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 14:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: See [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-03#The New International Encyclopædia transcription uses fake sources]] for an earlier discussion on this. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:34, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I have seen that thread.  But the discussion was about images, and no deletion nomination was ever made for any of the pages, neither those in the Page: namespace nor the articles in the Mainspace that used those transcriptions.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:45, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
The following pages should also be deleted per the discussion above, as they are based on the 1903 edition, not the 1905 edition:
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/12]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/13]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/96]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/97]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/98]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/99]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/100]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/101]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/102]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/103]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/104]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/105]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/112]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/113]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/366]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/367]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/373]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/374]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/395]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/396]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/397]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/400]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/466]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/467]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/654]]
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*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/659]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/660]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/661]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/662]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/663]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/664]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/665]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/666]]
*[[Page:The New International Encyclopædia 1st ed. v. 08.djvu/917]]
The pages between 205 and 215 seem to be based on the scan of the actual 1905 edition, however, and can be kept. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 16:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I'm confused now.  The scan of the 1905 edition is the first edition, but these are from an ''earlier'' 1903 edition?  If all the pages are from a different edition, then the original reason for nomination of deletion (redundant) is not valid, because they are different editions.  I also have yet to see any evidence presented that they are in fact different, we have only an assertion that there must be differences, without actually demonstrating any.  So this presents two issues to be resolved: (1) How can the 1905 edition be the first edition, if there was a 1903 edition that is supposed to be so different? (2) Are there in fact any differences between the scans and the transcribed pages listed above? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Both the 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are the &quot;First Edition&quot;, even though they are different in both layout and content. You can find textual differences in the very first entry: FONTANES. The 1903 edition says &quot;Fontane's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia/el1MAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1&amp;pg=560] The 1905 edition says &quot;Fontanes's works&quot; in the last sentence.[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu/page12-2049px-The_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08.djvu.jpg] The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are significantly different. We cannot use the 1903 edition as sources for the 1905 edition and the pages that were transcribed from the faked 1905 images have to be retranscribed from scratch. If you want to create a 1903 edition transcription project and move the pages to that, feel free to do so, but it seems rather pointless to me. The 1903 edition is basically just a sloppy version of the 1905 edition with lots of typos and different volume organization. It has the same topic entries (as far as I can tell); they're just not as well edited. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::If the layout and content are in fact different, then they are ''not'' the same edition.  When a work is altered through editing, it's a new edition.  That's what an edition is; it's a particular result of editing.  But the ''only'' difference I have so far been made aware of is the addition of a single letter '''s''', which is not enough to claim they are &quot;significantly different&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;... then they are ''not'' the same edition.&quot; That's what I've been trying to tell you. The 1903 edition and the 1905 edition are two different editions even though they are both called &quot;First Edition&quot;. Even [[User:Bob Burkhardt|Bob Burkhardt]], the user who created the fake pages, admitted that they didn't always correspond.[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index_talk%3AThe_New_International_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_1st_ed._v._08&amp;diff=6568581&amp;oldid=6269714] I'm not going to re-find all the differences for you. You can either believe me and delete them or you can use the bogus transcriptions. Using transcriptions from a different edition, however, seems to defeat the whole purpose of having them scan-backed. If you want it to be an accurate transcription of the work as published, those pages should be retranscribed, IMO. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 00:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::So, ''if'' they're not the same edition, then labeling them both as &quot;first edition&quot; is likely the source of conflation, and we should change that to a date.  But if they're not the same edition, then the reason for deletion given at the outset of this discussion is incorrect, because if they are different, then one is not redundant to the other.  We do host multiple editions of works when the editions are different.  But again, no evidence has been provided that they are in fact different aside from a single letter.  Such minor differences are not worth worrying about. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::I disagree with the statement that minor differences are not worth worrying about. That's the entire reason that we proofread and verify works against scans. If you want to find more differences between the two editions, just look, they aren't hard to find. I'm not involved in this transcription project at all, so I have no interest in wasting more time on it. I'm sorry I opened this can of worms to begin with. I leave it in the hands of whoever wants to work on the transcription. The only thing I ask is that if the pages are kept there is some notice that they were transcribed from a different edition. [[User:Nosferattus|Nosferattus]] ([[User talk:Nosferattus|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::And I disagree, because we have been given no evidence of any difference, other than the one letter, which is easily corrected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC).

== [[The Exeter Book (Jebson)]] ==

This is an incomplete copypaste from an electronic transcription of the work. I am not sure whether it should be considered a second-hand transcription or a transcription of an electronic edition, but in any case the original electronical source does not exist anymore and now only its archived version in [https://web.archive.org/web/20090108184531/http://www8.georgetown.edu/departments/medieval/labyrinth/library/oe/exeter.html web.archive] survives. In theory somebody could finish the transcription from the archive (though it is not likely), but I believe that our task is not web-archive mirroring and that copypasting the text from there is not the way we should follow.

Besides, all the transcribed sections contain the note &quot;Edited by Tony Jebson..., all rights reserved&quot;. Although there does not seem to be anything really copyrightable on the first sight and so we probably do not have to take the note into account, it at least indicates that the editor did not really wish his transcription to be freely copied. I would ignore the note under other circumstances, but here it is just another small argument added to all the major ones mentioned before.

Therefore I suggest deleting the incomplete transcription, thus creating space for a better one. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't we normally proofread a scanned edition first, and then delete the substandard one afterwards? We don't have any other hosted editions of most of the works in this collection. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:07, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::Note: there appears to be a decent edition here: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/exeterbookanthol01goll/page/n13/mode/2up}} —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, that is the usual attitude towards full but unsourced editions, not towards incomplete copypastes whose sources are not unknown, but have been removed from the internet. Here the problems are piling up too much, without much hope of this work being completed in this state of affairs. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 18:41, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Since this is an anthology, we can't treat it only as an incomplete copypaste of ''The Exeter Book'', but also as a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Crist&quot;, a ''complete'' copypaste of &quot;Guthlac A&quot; and &quot;Guthlac B&quot;, and so forth. If we can get better copies of each of these works, I will happily support the deletion of this edition. Note that we do already have editions of some of these poems, e.g. &quot;The Phoenix&quot; and &quot;The Wanderer&quot; which are included in ''[[Bright's Anglo-Saxon Reader]]''. —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Unsourced court cases ==

Added by [[User:Taiwan prepares~enwikisource|Taiwan prepares~enwikisource]] in 2008. None state a source. For most of them, I could find the full text of these cases nowhere online:
* [[Haimes v. Temple University Hospital]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Gerbode]]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1989)]]
* [[Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court]]
For three of them, some versions of these texts exist:
* [[Church of Scientology v. Armstrong]]: [https://archive.org/details/a075027/A075027-Vol-23/page/n275/mode/2up], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/232/1060.html], [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1769387.html]
* [[Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology]]: [https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760305.html], [https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/212/872.html]
* [[Religious Technology Center v. Scott (1996)]]: [https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/religious-technology-center-v-892863245]
However, these possible sources all have different formatting&lt;ins&gt; from what we have&lt;/ins&gt;, and often also different content (for example a {{tqi|[14]}} being present in a source but not in the work). Either these are not the sources of these works, and they are thus still unsourced, or the fidelity is below our standards. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:{{vd}} Those whose sources cannot be tracked and which are not to be found anywhere should definitely be deleted as unverifiable. I agree also with deleting the following three pages per nom., i.e. as being bellow our standards. We cannot keep texts which more or less correspond to sources, our standards require texts fully faithful to sources. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now; I’ve done a lot of work sourcing court cases and should be able to obtain copies of these. [[User:Alien333|Alien]]: Our copy is correct in removing the “[14]”, as that number refers to the (copyrighted) syllabus authored by West (the publisher of the reporter in which the case was printed); our copy presumably is sourced originally to the court copy (which does not have the later-added syllabus). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 02:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== A True Relation of what passed between Mr. John Dee and some Spirits ==
{{closed/s|1=[[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] deleted as an inferior duplicate of [[Index:Deespirits.djvu]]}}
[[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] and [[Index:A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits.djvu]] are both scans of the same book. (The ''exact'' same; both come from {{IA|truefaithfulrela00deej}}.) I started the second one, not knowing the first one was already underway. We only need one, merged one. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think Deespirits.djvu has sharper text, a better file to work with. (Compare [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Deespirits.djvu/page83-2237px-Deespirits.djvu.jpg] to [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu/page83-2237px-A_True_and_Faithful_Relation_of_What_Passed_for_Many_Years_Between_Dr_John_Dee_and_Some_Spirits.djvu.jpg].) However, the later has more pages filled out. I can copy those over. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 20:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} If you could transfer the contents you created to the other Index, then we can simply delete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The accompanying page [[A True and Faithful Relation of What Passed for Many Years Between Dr John Dee and Some Spirits]] should probably be deleted also. This book is unlikely to be page-worthy anytime soon. The page was created in a moment of overconfidence, not reckoning how hard to parse an old book like this is. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: ([[Index:Deespirits.djvu]] is ''much'' more readable than the other one, especially for the details; you may have more luck with that one.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::Some people start transclusion quite early in the process, so that main page could be left - and marked incomplete.
:::::By the way, I note that you have not reflected the colours on the title page. Why was that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
:: @[[User:Eievie|Eievie]]: It looks like you have copied those pages, and so we can delete the index. Is that correct? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's ready for deletion. Go ahead. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 06:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Template:Chapter heading]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; deprecated for a year and a half; now not used}}
The last remaining uses have been migrated, and this was already marked as Deprecated for at least a year. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[The Hole of the Pit]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; unsourced copypaste}}
Added without source or license.  Looks like a copy-paste without formatting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:17, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} per nom. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:21, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
::It would be nice to find a scan of this that could be transcribed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Extracts of The Lives of the Twelve Caesars ==
*[[Lives of Eminent Rhetoricians]]
*[[Fragments of poetry by Julius Caesar]]
*[[Lives of Eminent Grammarians]]
All extracts of some form or other of [https://archive.org/details/livesoftwelvecae00suet_1]; the last two being furthermore secondary transcriptions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:Transcription has started at [[Index:Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson and Forester).djvu]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:17, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::The first has now been replaced by a scan-backed copy - though a scan of just that piece. 
::As I understand that ther first and third were separate works originally, isn't it acceptable to treat the transalations as separate works ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:53, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The original Latin works were separate, but these English translations were published together by that translator.  So we could have a versions page for them, but the translations would point to the volume where they were published. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:58, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Hemingway&amp;#39;s articles for the Toronto Star]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted; arbitrary compilations}}
===[[Hemingway's articles for the Kansas City Star]]===

These are not works, but arbitrary compilations. An author page clears up this need fine. This deletion request is just for the &quot;articles for the&quot; compilations, not the pages linked within them. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:Agreed - {{vd}}. As you say, the author page covers this, and the pages for the newspapers also gathers these items. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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== [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] ==

Inferior dupe of [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]]. Granted, it's the older page, but that page doesn't have a source, while the page I linked does. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 06:23, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{vd}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Best to make it a redirect or soft redirect, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::: My delete votes never preclude redirection as an option. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:My intention on processing the whole first issue of [[The Radio Times]] was to turn the previous single article into a redirect, but I got the impression that I was stepping on the toes of another maintainer, so I moved on to a different periodical which doesn't have anyone else working on it. Sorry for leaving the situation with the 'message to listeners' unresolved. [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 14:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::Whenever I encounter a sourceless text where there is a source available, I just copy&amp;paste the sourced text over the unsourced one. We want sourced texts anyways, so I figure it's a good thing I'm doing. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 17:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
:::But in this case, the source is given on the talk page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::::[[User:Beardo]]: I am certain that [[User:CitationsFreak]] meant to say &quot;scan backed&quot;. Also, you know of the scan backed preference here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] - then they need to be more precise in what they write. But even that is not accurate - there's a scan sitting in the talk page ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: [[User:Beardo]] for your precision, &quot;scan-backed&quot; means Main space publications with page numbers linked to the scan page.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:45, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I was thinking of &quot;scanbacked&quot;. I've just called them sourceless texts because they lack that &quot;source&quot; tab. (Also, I've always thought that it was policy to delete all non-scanbacked works if a scanbacked work exists.) [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::That discussion is at [[Talk:The Radio Times#Layout of Main Page and Individual Issue Pages]]. In no part of it did I discourage you from continuing to work on the volume. Indeed, my lengthy reply gave you some helpful pointers on copyright and on markup, on the assumption that you would continue. In your response you thanked me and agreed with some of my suggestions. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' As I have pointed out previously, and contrary to the false claim above, this does have a source - see its talk page. 
: Far from being &quot;inferior&quot;, the original transcription is ''superior'' - it correctly credits the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]], describes the work in {{para|notes}}, and has copyright information.
:It is galling to see a duplicate of one's work deliberately created, then to have that work proposed for deletion, wiping out one's contributions from the history.
:Redirect the new version to the old one. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:: The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension, which provides easier verifiability. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:05, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The use of a particular tool is irrelevant to the quality of the transcription which—as I have just evidenced [in a paragraph I have had to restore after you deleted it - don't do that]—is higher in the original. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: @[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: sorry for the deleted comments. I use a homemade tools for discussions which apparently doesn't handle edit conflicts well. Going to step back for a moment to avoid further edit conflicts. I think I've readded all I accidentally deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:17, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You didn't; I am having to restore another of my edits which you reverted. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 13:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: God damn it. Sorry for the mess. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::The new version credits the article to Jack Pease, both in the header of the page and in the first line of the article. Granted, the old version does have some information that the new does not have, but I'm just gonna add them in the new version so that no information is lost. [[User:CitationsFreak|CitationsFreak]] ([[User talk:CitationsFreak|talk]]) 19:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Again; the original version correctly ''cites'' the author as [[Author:Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford|Jack Pease, 1st Baron Gainford]]. The other does not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Scan-backing with ProofreadPage isn't just any &quot;tool&quot;—it's ''the'' fundamental way we are supposed to present content here. It's the ideal end-product, as the ultimate goal for content presentation on this site is to scan-back ''everything''. Transcribing a work without scan-backing it is ''technically'' still allowed but not preferred, so it should be ''expected'' to be eventually replaced by a scan-backed and proofread copy.
: The ''source'' of [[Radio Times/1923/09/28/My message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] and [[The Radio Times/1923/09/28/My Message to &quot;Listeners&quot;]] also appear to be fundamentally the same edition of the same work. If there's anything that needs to be improved about the scan-backed version, such as missing info, missing authors, missing PD tags, OCR errors, lower-quality images, etc., these can simply be modified there—no need to defer to a scanless version. Also, this work is a tiny periodical article that's less than a page long anyway, so fixes should be relatively straightforward. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is—as I said—not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You misunderstand: I did not comment on the quality on the transcription, but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one, at the equivalent quality of transcription (which is the case here; I could mention in the non-PRP page the missing formatting for the subtitle and the caption). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Your {{tqi|&quot;The version listed here is not of equivalent quality to the newer one: that one uses the ProofreadPage extension&quot;}} was in response to my &quot;the original transcription is ''superior''&quot;. 
::::You're right that the formatting of the captions are different; the newer page lacks the correct emboldening. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 21:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: The older page does miss some emboldening too; and also some centering (Lord Gainford, &amp;c). Plus, MW image frames. It at any rate isn't better by a wide margin. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: {{sm|@[[User:Pigsonthewing|Pigsonthewing]]: I have corrected the {{tl|tq}} in your comment to {{tl|tqi}}, as I think that's rather what you meant. Here tq isn't talk quote but an outdated template on text quality.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Basically everything is a tool on some level. But as I maintain, it's not ''just a tool''. It's a ''necessity''. The mentality of ProofreadPage isn't just &quot;I should do this to help me get from Point A to Point B&quot;, it's &quot;This is our standardized way of proving the content we gave is authentic to the original scan&quot;.
: Especially considering that the transcription is literally of a newspaper article that spanned less than one page, if you think there are problems with the scan-backed version, just fix them yourself. There's no gatekeeper of ProofreadPage or transclusion—''anyone'' can still edit that content, and if there are problems they can just be fixed. Pages don't exist in a static state on a wiki, and that includes if ProofreadPage was used.
: So, &quot;it was done worse than my non-scan-backed version&quot; == &quot;let's make it better&quot;, not &quot;it's hopeless, there's nothing we can do&quot;. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::Again: If you read what I wrote, you will see that my reference to ProofreadPage as a &quot;tool&quot;—which it unquestionably is—was in the context of another editor's claim that its use was material to the quality of the ''transcription of the original''. It is ''still'' not. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 16:14, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: And again: {{tqi|I did not comment on the quality on the transcription,}} (or of the source for that matter,) {{tqi|but on the quality of the page as a whole: a PRP page is simply better than a non-PRP one}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::: (ec) So, that's still not a valid argument to keep the non-scan-backed one alongside the scan-backed one... All the things you've named as potential improvements to the scan-backed version are fixable, and ''pretty much immediately'' fixable at that. So, why is this being positioned as an argument for keeping what are essentially two duplicate works—where one uses a ''deprecated'' sourcing method (sourcing an external link and a crop of a page on the talk page), and the other one uses a ''modern'' sourcing method (using ProofreadPage to centralize the entire newspaper issue as a whole)?
::: And on the topic of &quot;scan-backing having something to do with quality&quot;, I would much rather read a scan-backed work than one that wasn't scan-backed. It shows that our standards were followed better, and that the content can be proven more quickly and in a more central location (WS or Commons filespace). So there ''is'' certainly an argument to be made that scan-backing a work is itself an improvement in quality. ''Does that 100% mean the quality was improved?'' No. But what I'm saying is if you take content that was already on a page, and then scan-back it, you just improved the quality of that page.
::: (And that's not even getting into the ''statistical'' quality argument, which is that scan-backing coincides with works being formatted and transcribed better. And this is overwhelmingly demonstrable. That may not apply to this specific case, since you did format this particular newspaper article well, but you can't deny that a majority of works sent to [[WS:PD]] or even [[WS:CV]] are not scan-backed at all, which already proves it.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::As has been noted above, the first version is scan-backed. There is no &quot;non-scan-backed&quot; version. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 19:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: &quot;Scan-backed&quot; more often than not is used to mean PRP; as opposed image on the talk / url. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Lady Susan]] ==
{{closed/s|1=Deleted and recreated as dab; unsourced}}
Hello. So we actually have two scan-backed transcriptions of Jane Austen's minor work &quot;Lady Susan&quot;. So I request that the 42 chapters of this unsourced version be deleted, so we can convert [[Lady Susan]] into a versions page which will look something like this:

* &quot;[[A Memoir of Jane Austen/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[A Memoir of Jane Austen]]'' (1879)
* &quot;[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen/Volume 11|The Novels and Letters of Jane Austen, Volume 11]]'' (1906)
* &quot;[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea/Lady Susan|Lady Susan]]&quot; from ''[[Sanditon And Other Miscellanea]]'' (1934) {{small scan link|Austen Sanditon and other miscellanea.djvu}}

Note there are some Libravox links in this unsourced version (divided into 6 parts I think). I don't know if anyone wants to keep those or not. [[User:Pasicles|Pasicles]] ([[User talk:Pasicles|talk]]) 21:28, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

:The LibriVox recordings are based on the [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/946 PG] text, so the edition is unknown and may or may not be the unsourced text. I don't see a strong argument for retaining the recordings, other than as an item on a DAB page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 23:11, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree with the proposal - {{vd}} for the chapters and turn the main page into a versions page -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
{{section resolved|— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)}}

== [[:Index:Catalog of Copyright Entries, 1930 Books For the Year 1930 New Series Vol 27 Part 1 (IA catalogofcopyri271libr).pdf]] ==

Dire Scan quality. No point in trying to work from this. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Kama Sutra ==

I'm cleaning it up. There's the good, text-backed version [[Kama Sutra (Burton)|here]]. Then there's this partial parallel version without any source text.

* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory]]
* [[Kama Sutra/Introductory/Preface]]
# {{strikethrough|Kama Sutra/Part I}}
# [[Kama Sutra/Part II]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 1]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 2]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 3]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 4]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 5]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 6]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 7]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 8]]
## [[Kama Sutra/Part II/Chapter 9]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part III]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part IV]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part V]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VI]]
# [[Kama Sutra/Part VII]]
[[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 04:53, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

:Of secondary importance, there are sets of redirects ([[Special:PrefixIndex/Kama Sutra]] + [[Special:PrefixIndex/The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana]]) which I think should probably be cut. [[User:Eievie|Eievie]] ([[User talk:Eievie|talk]]) 05:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Per [[WS:CSD#M2]], redirects to deleted or otherwise inexistant pages can be (and are often quickly) deleted. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:52, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{vd}} Several of those pages are just headers and little or nothing else. Note that there are several redirects as well. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Brief hagiography of the great Dzogchen yogi, His Holiness Kyabje Kangsar Rinpoche, the Wontrul Tenpai Wangchuk Palzangpo]] ==
{{closed/s|result=Speedied as copyvio.}}
This work was added with no source information. A quick internet search turned up no matches. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} After this deletion discussion was started, it was later revealed by [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] that this was intended to be a user translation from [https://wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. Thus, I moved the work to the Translation namespace. I modified the header of this discussion to reflect this. This isn't a defense of the translation, but just noting I moved it to where it should be—so now, we're discussing the merits of a Translation, not an unknown original work. Pinging {{ping|Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Tsewang|འཕྲིན་ལས།}} as they were involved in the creation of this translation. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for the clarification. I followed perplexity.ai, which suggested me to use {{tl|translation header}} but it seems the page is still is nominated for deletion. Please guide. I must admit I'm new to this and I want to practice and perfect it this time, so that I can continue to contribute. Thanks. [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] ([[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, the deletion nomination should stay until the discussion here is ended. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
::There is a copy at Tibetan Wikisource, but it is not backed by a scan, which is a requirement for hosting [[Wikisource:Translations]] created by a user. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:57, 10 June 2025 (UTC)
:::And it is not clear that the original is PD. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{comment}} I have started a deletion discussion at Multilingual Wikisource, [https://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%90%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%97%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%81%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BD%B2%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%86%E0%BD%BA%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%A4%E0%BE%B2%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%A6%E0%BE%9F%E0%BD%93%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%95%E0%BE%B1%E0%BD%B4%E0%BD%82%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%91%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%A3%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%96%E0%BD%9F%E0%BD%84%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%94%E0%BD%BC%E0%BD%A0%E0%BD%B2%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%A2%E0%BE%A3%E0%BD%98%E0%BC%8B%E0%BD%90%E0%BD%A2%E0%BC%8B here]. I see no reason (per what I've said there) to think that even the original ''Tibetan'' version this was translated from was an authentic work that we would want to host. In the absence of that evidence, my vote is to {{vd}} this translation until proven otherwise. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::In their talk page, Pecha-Tsewang wrote that the author of the original was born in 1938, and added &quot;Not sure about the exact year of publication, but probably in the recent years (2000s). Mostly, books authored by Tibetan Lamas are meant for public use, so there are no copyright issues.&quot; On the basis of the information that we have at the moment, I think that this fails Wikisource policy on more than one ground. {{vd}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey|Beardo}} So, [[User:Pecha-Tsewang|Pecha-Tsewang]] has admitted on [[User talk:Pecha-Tsewang|their talk page]]: &quot;Dear WikiFriends, I now come to the understanding that '''the original Tibetan text is copyrighted and therefore couldn't provide a copyright tag neither for the original tibetan source, nor for the translated page. Therefore it should be deleted'''. It has been a good learning process, thank you all.&quot; (emphasis mine) While the creator of the page was under the username [[User:Pecha-Gade|Pecha-Gade]], I think they are the same person—and thus, I recommend '''speedying'''. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:29, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
{{closed/e}}
{{section resolved|1=--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)}}

== [[Template:Spaced chapter heading]] ==

Deprecated for more than two years (replaced by {{tl|ph}}); now unused. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

This index is now redundant to [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu]] which has single page scans. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cabin at the Trail&amp;#39;s End (IA cabinattrailsend0000sheb).pdf]] ==

Duplicate of [[Index:The Cabin at the Trail's End.djvu]] - perhaps the existing created pages should be moved over as some work has been done. (Note that they are one page different as there is an extra blank page in the .pdf). -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: On number of pages: it's the djvu that has two extra pages (/1 and /366); both are just scanning artifacts. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist/Glossary]] ==

This is a residue of the migration of a version of 'The Alchemist' from one copied from Gutenberg to a scan backed version. There is no glossary in the scan version used; generally, odd words are explained in footnotes. This page can therefore be deleted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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=={{anchor|Ma}}Ma/Má==
* [[Author:Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri|Al-Maʿarri, Abul ʿAla]] (973–1057)
* [[Author:Abū Jaʿfar Abdullāh al-Maʾmūn ibn Harūn|al-Maʾmūn ibn Harūn, Abū Jaʿfar Abdullāh]] (786–833)
* [[Author:Anthony John Maas|Maas, Anthony John]] (1858–1927)
* [[Author:Hamilton Wright Mabie|Mabie, Hamilton Wright]] (1846–1916)
* [[Author:Alexander Macalister|Macalister, Alexander]] (1844–1919)
* [[Author:Robert Alexander Stewart Macalister|Macalister, Robert Alexander Stewart]] (1870–1950)
* [[Author:Diosdado Macapagal|Macapagal, Diosdado]] (1910–1997)
* [[Author:Douglas MacArthur|'''MacArthur, Douglas''']] (1880–1964)
* [[Author:Arthur John Macarthur-Onslow|Macarthur-Onslow, Arthur John]] (1873–1953)
* [[Author:George Campbell Macaulay|Macaulay, George Campbell]] (1852–1915)
* [[Author:James Macaulay (1817-1902)|Macaulay, James]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Thomas Babington Macaulay|Macaulay, Thomas Babington]] (1800–1859)
* [[Author: William Herrick Macaulay|Macaulay, William Herrick]] (1853–1936)
* [[Author:Max Arthur Macauliffe|Macauliffe, Max Arthur]] (1841–1913)
* [[Author:Denis Florence MacCarthy|MacCarthy, Denis Florence]] (1817–1882)
* [[Author:Dugald Sutherland MacColl|MacColl, Dugald Sutherland]] (1859–1948)
* [[Author:Norman MacColl|MacColl, Norman]] (1843–1904)
* [[Author:Henry Maccormac|Maccormac, Henry]] (1800–1886)
* [[Author:William MacCormac|MacCormac, William]] (1836–1901)
* [[Author:John MacCulloch|MacCulloch, John]] (1773–1835)
* [[Author:Michael MacDonagh|MacDonagh, Michael]] (1862–1946)
* [[Author:Ballard MacDonald|MacDonald, Ballard]] (1882–1935)
* [[Author:Duncan Black MacDonald|MacDonald, Duncan Black]] (1863–1943)
* [[Author:George MacDonald|MacDonald, George]] (1824–1905)
* [[Author:Greville MacDonald|MacDonald, Greville]] (1856–1944)
* [[Author:Iain Lom MacDonald|MacDonald, Iain Lom]] (c. 1624–c. 1710)
* [[Author:James Macdonald (1829-1887)|Macdonald, James]] (1829–1887)
* [[Author:James Ramsay MacDonald|MacDonald, James Ramsay]] (1866–1937)
* [[Author:Sir John A. Macdonald|Macdonald, Sir John A.]] (1815–1891)
* [[Author:John A. Macdonald|Macdonald, Captain John Alexander]] (1846–1922)
* [[Author:William Macdonald|Macdonald, William]] (1863–1938)
* [[Author:William Rae Macdonald|Macdonald, William Rae]] (1843–1923)
* [[Author:Agnes Macdonell|Macdonell, Agnes]] (1840–1925)
* [[Author:Arthur Anthony Macdonell|Macdonell, Arthur Anthony]] (1854–1930)
* [[Author:George Paul Macdonell|Macdonell, George Paul]] (1855–1895)
* [[Author:John Macdonell|Macdonell, John]] (1846–1921)
* [[Author:John Cotter Macdonnell|Macdonnell, John Cotter]] (1822–1902)
* [[Author:George Gordon Macdougall|Macdougall, George Gordon]] (1799–1835)
* [[Author:Alexandru Macedonski|Macedonski, Alexandru]] (1854–1920)
* [[Author:Allan Macfadyen|Macfadyen, Allan]] (1860–1907)
* [[Author:Dugald Macfadyen|Macfadyen, Dugald]] (1867–1936)
* [[Author:John Macfarlane|Macfarlane, John]] (1866–1906)
* [[Author:William Godsoe MacFarlane|MacFarlane, William Godsoe]] (1870–1942)
* [[Author:Charles Macfaull|Macfaull, Charles]] (1800–1846)
* [[Author:Evan James Macgillivray|Macgillivray, Evan James]] (1873–1955)
* [[Author: John MacGillivray|MacGillivray, John]] (1821–1867)
* [[Author:John Macgregor (1797-1857)|Macgregor, John]] (1797—1857)
* [[Author:Josef Mach|Mach, Josef]] (1883–1951)
* [[Author:Karel Hynek Mácha|'''Mácha, Karel Hynek''']] (1810–1836)
* [[Author:Simeon Karel Macháček|Macháček, Simeon Karel]] (1799–1846)
* [[Author:Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis|Machado de Assis, Joaquim Maria]] (1839–1908)
* [[Author:Jan Hanuš Máchal|Máchal, Jan Hanuš]] (1855–1939)
* [[Author:Agnes Maule Machar|Machar, Agnes Maule]] (1837–1927)
* [[Author:Josef Svatopluk Machar|Machar, Josef Svatopluk]] (1864–1942)
* [[Author:Antonín Machek|Machek, Antonín]] (1775–1844)
* [[Author:Arthur Machen|Machen, Arthur]] (1863–1947)
* [[Author:John Gresham Machen|Machen, John Gresham]] (1881–1937)
* [[Author:Niccolò Machiavelli|'''Machiavelli, Niccolò''']] (1469–1527)
* [[Author:John Machin|Machin, John]] (1696–1751)
* [[Author:Amy Eleanor Mack|Mack, Amy Eleanor]] (1876–1939)
* [[Author:Marie Louise Hamilton Mack|Mack, Marie Louise Hamilton]] (1870–1935)
* [[Author:Denis Mackail|Mackail, Denis]] (1892–1971)
* [[Author:John William Mackail|Mackail, John William]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:George Henry Mackaness|Mackaness, George Henry]] (1882–1968)
* [[Author:Aeneas James George Mackay|Mackay, Aeneas James George]] (1839–1911)
* [[Author:Charles Mackay (1814-1889)|Mackay, Charles]] (1814–1889)
* [[Author:George Eric Mackay|Mackay, George Eric]] (1851–1898)
* [[Author:William Paton MacKay|MacKay, William Paton]] (1839—1885)
* [[Author:Dorothea Mackellar|Mackellar, Isobel Marion Dorothea]] (1885–1968)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackenzie (1822-1892)|Mackenzie, Alexander]] (1822–1892)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackenzie (1838-1898)|Mackenzie, Alexander]] (1838–1898)
* [[Author:Alexander Slidell Mackenzie|Mackenzie, Alexander Slidell]] (1803–1848)
* [[Author:Colin Mackenzie (1754-1821)|Mackenzie, Colin]] (1754–1821)
* [[Author:Colin Mackenzie (1806-1881)|Mackenzie, Colin]] (1806–1881)
* [[Author:John Morell Mackenzie|Mackenzie, John Morell]] (1806–1843)
* [[Author:John Stuart Mackenzie|Mackenzie, John Stuart]] (1860–1935)
* [[Author:William Lyon Mackenzie|Mackenzie, William Lyon]] (1795–1861)
* [[Author:Charles Mackeson|Mackeson, Charles]] (1843–1899)
* [[Author:Albert Gallatin Mackey|Mackey, Albert Gallatin]] (1807–1881)
* [[Author:Henry Benedict Mackey|Mackey, Henry Benedict]] (1846–1906)
* [[Author:Alexander Mackie|Mackie, Alexander]] (1855–1915)
* [[Author:William Mackie|Mackie, William]] (1799–1860)
* [[Author:Halford John Mackinder|Mackinder, Halford John]] (1861–1947)
* [[Author:James Mackinnon|Mackinnon, James]] (1860–1945)
* [[Author:Ewart Alan Mackintosh|Mackintosh, Ewart Alan]] (1893–1917)
* [[Author:James MacKintosh|MacKintosh, James]] (''fl.'' 19th century)
* [[Author:John Macky|Macky, John]] (?–1726)
* [[Author:Eric Robert Dalrymple Maclagan|Maclagan, Eric Robert Dalrymple]] (1879–1951)
* [[Author:William Maclay|Maclay, William]] (1737–1804)
* [[Author:Hector Maclean|Maclean, Hector]] (1728–?)
* [[Author:John Maclean|Maclean, John]] (1879–1923)
* [[Author:Katherine MacLean|MacLean, Katherine]] (1925–)
* [[Author:Norman Maclean|Maclean, Rev. Norman Fitzroy]] (1902–1990)
* [[Author:George Frederick Maclear|Maclear, George Frederick]] (1833–1902)
* [[Author:Alexander Macleay|Macleay, Alexander]] (1767–1848)
* [[Author:Archibald MacLeish|MacLeish, Archibald]] (1892–1982)
* [[Author:Henry Dunning Macleod|Macleod, Henry Dunning]] (1821—1902)
* [[Author:Xavier Donald MacLeod|MacLeod, Xavier Donald]] (1821–1865)
* [[Author:John Henry MacMahon|MacMahon, John Henry]] (1829–1900)
* [[Author:Percy Alexander MacMahon|MacMahon, Percy Alexander]] (1854–1929)
* [[Author:Archibald McKellar MacMechan|MacMechan, Archibald McKellar]] (1862–1933)
* [[Author:Hugh Macmillan|Macmillan, Hugh]] (1833–1903)
* [[Author:Alexander Macmorran|Macmorran, Alexander]] (1852–1933)
* [[Author:Charles Alexander MacMunn|MacMunn, Charles Alexander]] (1852–1911)
* [[Author:William Hay MacNaghten|MacNaghten, Sir William Hay]] (1793–1841)
* [[Author:Eric Denvers Macnamara|Macnamara, Eric Denvers]] (1874–1934)
* [[Author:Nigel MacNeill|MacNeill, Nigel]] (fl. 1892)
* [[Author:Kenneth MacNichol|MacNichol, Kenneth]] (1887–1955)
* [[Author:Andrew Macphail|Macphail, Sir Andrew]] (1864–1938)
* [[Author:Ewan Macpherson|Macpherson, Ewan]] (?–1915)
* [[Author:John Macpherson (1817-1890)|Macpherson, John]] (1817–1890)
* [[Author:Katherine Sarah MacQuoid|MacQuoid, Katherine Sarah]] (1824–1917)
* [[Author:William Dunn Macray|Macray, William Dunn]] (1826–1916)
* [[Author:Emmanuel Macron|Macron, Emmanuel]] (b. 1977)
* [[Author:Joseph MacRory|MacRory, Joseph]] (1861–1945)
* [[Author:Terence MacSwiney|MacSwiney, Terence]] (1879–1920)
* [[Author:Grace Harriet Macurdy|Macurdy, Grace Harriet]] (1866–1946)
* [[Author:Falconer Madan|Madan, Falconer]] (1851–1935)
* [[Author:Dodgson Hamilton Madden|Madden, Dodgson Hamilton]] (1840–1928)
* [[Author:Edward Madden|Madden, Edward]] (1878–1952)
* [[Author:James Madison|'''Madison, James''']] (1751–1836)
* [[Author:Thomas Madox|Madox, Thomas]] (1666–1727)
* [[Author:Maurice Maeterlinck|Maeterlinck, Maurice]] (1862–1949)
* [[Author:Angelus Francis Xavier Maffei|Maffei, Angelus Francis Xavier]] (1844–1899)
* [[Author:John Gillespie Magee, Jr.|Magee, John Gillespie, Jr.]] (1922–1941)
* [[Author:William Magee|Magee, William]] (1766—1831)
* [[Author:William Kirkpatrick Magee|Magee, William Kirkpatrick]] (1868–1961)
* [[Author:Davit Maghradze|Maghradze, Davit]] (1962–)
* [[Author:Antonio Magliabechi|Magliabechi, Antonio]] (1633–1714)
* [[Author:Heinrich Gustav Magnus|Magnus, Heinrich Gustav]] (1802–1870)
* [[Author:Philip Magnus|Magnus, Philip]] (1842–1933)
* [[Author:Ramon Magsaysay|Magsaysay, Ramon]] (1907–1957)
* [[Author:John Pentland Mahaffy|Mahaffy, John Pentland]] (1839–1919)
* [[Author:Alfred Thayer Mahan|Mahan, Alfred Thayer]] (1840–1914)
* [[Author:Abu-Abdullah Muhammad ibn Īsa Māhānī|ibn Īsa Māhānī, Abu-Abdullah Muhammad]] (ca. 820–c. 884)
* [[Author:Ramana Maharshi|Maharshi, Ramana]] (1879–1950)
* [[Author:Victor Charles Mahillon|Mahillon, Victor-Charles]] (1841–1924)
* [[Author:Francis Sylvester Mahony|Mahony, Francis Sylvester]] (1804–1866)
* [[Author:Maimonides|'''Maimonides''']] (1135–1204)
* [[Author:Henry Maine|Maine, Henry]] (1822–1888)
* [[Author:Frederic William Maitland|Maitland, Frederic William]] (1850–1906)
* [[Author:John Alexander Fuller Maitland|Maitland, John Alexander Fuller]] (1856–1936)
* [[Author:Vivian Dering Majendie|Majendie, Vivian Dering]] (1836–1898)
* [[Author:Antonín Majer|Majer, Antonín]] (1882–1963)
* [[Author:Marie Majerová|Majerová, Marie]] (1882–1967)
* [[Author:Richard Henry Major|Major, Richard Henry]] (1818–1891)
* [[Author:Quirino Majorana|Majorana, Quirino]] (1871–1957)
* [[Author:Ramesh Chandra Majumdar|Majumdar, Ramesh Chandra]] (1888–1980)
* [[Author:Marie Makousky|Makousky, Marie]] (1905–1955)
* [[Author:Desanka Maksimović|Maksimović, Desanka]] (1898–1993)
* [[Author:Kornel Makuszyński|Makuszyński, Kornel]] (1884–1953)
* [[Author:Errico Malatesta|Malatesta, Errico]] (1853–1932)
* [[Author:John Malcolm (1769-1833)|Malcolm, John]] (1769–1833)
* [[Author:John Malcolm (1795-1835)|Malcolm, John]] (1795–1835)
* [[Author:Neill Malcolm|Malcolm, Neill]] (1869–1953)
* [[Author:Malcolm X|'''Malcolm X''']] (1925–1965)
* [[Author:François de Malherbe|Malherbe, François de]] (1555–1628) 
* [[Author:Bronisław Malinowski|Malinowski, Bronisław]] (1884–1942)
* [[Author:Benjamin Heath Malkin|Malkin, Benjamin Heath]] (1769–1842)
* [[Author:Stéphane Mallarmé|Mallarmé, Stéphane]] (1842–1898)
* [[Author:George Bruce Malleson|Malleson, George Bruce]] (1825–1898)
* [[Author:Bernard Mallet|Mallet, Sir Bernard]] (1859–1932)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Mallet|Mallet, Sir Charles Edward]] (1862–1947)
* [[Author:David Mallet|Mallet, David]] (1705–1765)
* [[Author:Louis Mallet|Mallet, Louis]] (1823–1890)
* [[Author:John William Mallett|Mallett, John William]] (1832–1912)
* [[Author:Mark Malloch Brown|Malloch Brown, Mark]] (1953–present)
* [[Author:George Herbert Leigh Mallory|Mallory, George Herbert Leigh]] (1886–1924)
* [[Author:Stephen Russell Mallory|Mallory, Stephen Russell]] (1813–1873)
* [[Author:Cecil John L'Estrange Malone|Malone, Cecil John L'Estrange]] (1890–1965)
* [[Author:Thomas Malory|'''Malory, Thomas''']] (1405–1471)
* [[Author:Hector Malot|Malot, Hector]] (1830–1907)
* [[Author:Marcello Malpighi|Malpighi, Marcello Malpighi]] (1628–1694)
* [[Author:Milo Roy Maltbie|Maltbie, Milo Roy]] (1871–1962)
* [[Author:Saraph Elizabeth Maltbie Dean|Maltbie, Sarah Elizabeth]] (1852–1925)
* [[Author:Thomas Malthus|'''Malthus, Thomas''']] (1766–1834)
* [[Author:Goffredo Mameli|Mameli, Goffredo]] (1827–1849)
* [[Author:Hiren Mandaliya|Mandaliya, Hiren]] (?–?)
* [[Author:Nelson Mandela|'''Mandela, Nelson''']] (1918–2013)
* [[Author:Osip Mandelstam|Mandelstam, Osip Emilyevich]] (1891–1938)
* [[Author:Henry Mandeville|Mandeville, Henry]] (1804—1858)
* [[Author:John Mandeville|Mandeville, John]]
* [[Author:Antonín Mánes|Mánes, Antonín]] (1784–1843)
* [[Author:Josef Mánes|Mánes, Josef]] (1820–1871)
* [[Author:Quido Mánes|Mánes, Quido]] (1828–1880)
* [[Author:Édouard Manet|Manet, Édouard]] (1832–1883)
* [[Author:Antonio Manetti|Manetti, Antonio]] (1423–1497)
* [[Author:James Clarence Mangan|Mangan, James Clarence]] (1803–1849)
* [[Author:Mangasar Mugurditch Mangasarian|Mangasarian, M.M.]] (1859–1943)
* [[Author:Delarivier Manley|Manley, Delarivier]] (c. 1670–1724)
* [[Author:John Matthews Manly|Manly, John Matthews]] (1865–1940)
* [[Author:Charles Holbrook Mann|Mann, Charles Holbrook]] (1839–1918)
* [[Author:Heinrich Mann|Mann, Heinrich]] (1871–1950)
* [[Author:James Saumarez Mann|Mann, James Saumarez]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Thomas Mann (1875-1955)|'''Mann, Thomas''']] (1875–1955)
* [[Author:Clarence Augustus Manning|Manning, Clarence Augustus]] (1893–1972)
* [[Author:Henry Edward Manning|Manning, Henry Edward]] (1808–1892)
* [[Author:William Ray Manning|Manning, William Ray]] (1871–1942)
* [[Author:William Thomas Manning|Manning, William Thomas]] (1866–1949)
* [[Author:Robert Mannyng|Mannyng, Robert]] (1275–1338)
* [[Author:John Clavell Mansel-Pleydell|Mansel-Pleydell, John Clavell]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Katherine Mansfield|Mansfield, Katherine]] (1888–1923)
* [[Author:Edward Manson|Manson, Edward]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:James Alexander Manson|Manson, James Alexander]] (1851–1921)
* [[Author:Riyad Mansour|Mansour, Riyad]] (1947– )
* [[Author:Burns Mantle|Mantle, Burns]] (1873–1948)
* [[Author:Mao Zedong|'''Mao Zedong''']] (1893–1976)
* [[Author:Julius Eduard Mařák|Mařák, Julius Eduard]] (1832–1899)
* [[Author:Jean-Paul Marat|Marat, Jean-Paul]] (1743–1793)
* [[Author:Annie Russell Marble|Marble, Annie Russell]] (1864–1936)
* [[Author:Marcellin Marbot|Marbot, Marcellin]] (1782–1854)
* [[Author:Claude Victor André Marcel|Marcel, Claude Victor André]] (1793–1876)
* [[Author:Gabriel Marcel|Marcel, Gabriel]] (1843–1909)
* [[Author:Marcellus II|Marcellus II, Pope]] (1501–1555)
* [[Author:Alexander Marcet|Marcet, Alexander]] (1770–1822)
* [[Author:Jane Haldimand Marcet|Marcet, Jane Haldimand]] (1769–1858)
* [[Author:Joseph Moncure March|March, Joseph Moncure]] (1899–1977)
* [[Author:Désiré Marchal|Marchal, Désiré]] (fl. 1860s)
* [[Author:Richard Felix Marchand|Marchand, Richard Felix]] (1813–1850)
* [[Author:Edgar Cardew Marchant|Marchant, Edgar Cardew]] (1864–1960)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Marcos|Marcos, Ferdinand]] (1917–1989)
* [[Author:Henry William Mardon|Mardon, Henry William]]
* [[Author:Walter de la Mare|Mare, Walter John de la]] (1873–1956)
* [[Author:Robert Ranulph Marett|Marett, Robert Ranulph]] (1866–1943)
* [[Author:Rhoda Margesson|Margesson, Rhoda]]
* [[Author:David Samuel Margoliouth|Margoliouth, David Samuel]] (1858–1940)
* [[Author:Edmond Marin la Meslee|Marin la Meslée, Edmond]] (1852–1893)
* [[Author:Tom Marino|Marino, Tom]] (1952–)
* [[Author:Arthur Elmer Marriott|Marriott, Arthur Elmer]] (1884–1944)
* [[Author:Charles John Bruce Marriott|Marriott, Charles John Bruce]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:John Arthur Ransome Marriott|Mariott, John Arthur Ransome]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:Edme Mariotte|Mariotte, Edme]] (1620–1684)
* [[Author:Gerharda Hermina Marius|Marius, Gerharda Hermina]] (1854–1919)
* [[Author:Edward L. Mark|Mark, Edward Laurens]] (1847–1946)
* [[Author:William Markby|Markby, William]] (1829–1914)
* [[Author:Albert Hastings Markham|Markham, Sir Albert Hastings]] (1841–1918)
* [[Author:Clements Robert Markham|Markham, Clements Robert]] (1830–1916)
* [[Author:Alfred Marks|Marks, Alfred]] (1833–1912)
* [[Author:Leo Markun|Markun, Leo]] (1901–1932)
* [[Author:Christopher Marlowe|'''Marlowe, Christopher''']] (1564–1593)
* [[Author:Albert Nelson Marquis|Marquis, Albert Nelson]] (1855–1943)
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* [[Author:Frederick Marryat|Marryat, Frederick]] (1792–1848)
* [[Author:Narcissus Marsh|Marsh, Narcissus]] ((1638–1713)
* [[Author:Othniel Charles Marsh|Marsh, Othniel Charles]] (1831–1899)
* [[Author:Arthur Hammond Marshall|Marshall, Arthur Hammond]] (1866–1934), wrote as Archibald Marshall
* [[Author:Arthur Milnes Marshall|Marshall, Arthur Milnes]] (1852–1893)
* [[Author:Charles Marshall|Marshall, Charles]] (1830–1902)
* [[Author:Edward Henry Marshall|Marshall, Edward Henry]] (1850–1909)
* [[Author:Florence Ashton Marshall|Marshall, Florence Ashton]] (1843–1922)
* [[Author:George Marshall|Marshall, George]] (1880–1959)
* [[Author:John Marshall (1755-1835)|'''Marshall, John''']] (1755–1835)
* [[Author:Julian Marshall|Marshall, Julian]] (1836–1903)
* [[Author:Newton Herbert Marshall|Marshall, Newton Herbert]] (1871–1914)
* [[Author:Robert Marshall|Marshall, Robert &quot;Bob&quot;]] (1901–1939)
* [[Author:Thurgood Marshall|'''Marshall, Thurgood''']] (1908–1993)
* [[Author:John Marston|Marston, John]] (1576–1634)
* [[Author:John Westland Marston|Marston, John Westland]] (1819–1890)
* [[Author:Philip Bourke Marston|Marston, Philip Bourke]] (1850–1887)
* [[Author:William Moulton Marston|Marston, William Moulton]] (1893–1947)
* [[Author:Charles Martel|Martel, Charles]] (c. 686–741)
* [[Author:Frederick Herman Martens|Martens, Frederick Herman]] (1874–1932)
* [[Author:Martial|Martialis, Marcus Valerius]] (41–104)
* [[Author:Alfred Trice Martin|Martin, Alfred Trice]] (1855–1926)
* [[Author:Arthur Patchett Martin|Martin, Arthur Patchett]] (1851–1902)
* [[Author:Charles Trice Martin|Martin, Charles Trice]] (1842–1914)
* [[Author:Civilla Durfee Martin|Martin, Civilla Durfee]] (1866–1948)
* [[Author:Claude Martin|Martin, Claude]] (1735–1800)
* [[Author:Frances Martin|Martin, Frances]] (1829–1922)
* [[Author:Geoffrey Haward Martin|Martin, Geoffrey Haward]] (1928–2007)
* [[Author:Helen Reimensnyder Martin|Martin, Helen Reimensnyder]] (1868–1939)
* [[Author:James Martin (1783-1860)|Martin, James]] (1783–1860)
* [[Author:Joseph Gregory Martin|Martin, Joseph Gregory]] (1800s)
* [[Author:Theodore Martin|Martin, Theodore]] (1816–1909)
* [[Author:William Robert Martin|Martin, William Robert]] (1847–1913)
* [[Author:William Young Martin|Martin, William Young]] (fl. 1876)
* [[Author:Harriet Martineau|Martineau, Harriet]] (1802–1876)
* [[Author:James Martineau|Martineau, James]] (1805–1900)
* [[Author:Evelyn Martinengo-Cesaresco|Martinengo-Cesaresco, Evelyn]] (1852–1931)
* [[Author:John Martley|Martley, John]] (19th C.)
* [[Author:Thomas Martyn|Martyn, Thomas]] (1735–1825)
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* [[Author:John Gage Marvin|Marvin, John Gage]] (1815–1855 or 1857)
* [[Author:Winthrop Lippitt Marvin|Marvin, Winthrop Lippitt]] (1863–1926)
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* [[Author:Tōkichi Masao|Masao, Tōkichi]] (1871–1921)
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* [[Author:John Masefield|Masefield, John]] (1878–1967)
* [[Author:Abigail Masham|Masham, Abigail]] (1670–1734)
* [[Author:Samuel Masham|Masham, Samuel]] (1679–1758)
* [[Author:Nan Mashek|Mashek, Nan]] (fl. 1904)
* [[Author:Alfred Ogle Maskell|Maskell, Alfred Ogle]] (1845–1912)
* [[Author:William Maskell|Maskell, William]] (1814–1890)
* [[Author:John Nevil Maskelyne|Maskelyne, John Nevil]] (1839–1917)
* [[Author:Nevil Story Maskelyne|Maskelyne, Nevil Story]] (1823–1911)
* [[Author:Lubomír Masner|Lubomír Masner]] (1934–)
* [[Author:Alexander Mason|Mason, Alexander]]
* [[Author:Alfred Edward Woodley Mason|Mason, A. E. W.]] (1865–1948)
* [[Author:Arthur James Mason|Mason, Arthur James]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Charles Peter Mason|Mason, Charles Peter]] (1820–1900)
* [[Author:Charlotte Maria Shaw Mason|Mason, Charlotte Marie]] (1842–1923)
* [[Author:Eugene Mason|Mason, Eugene]] (1862–1935)
* [[Author:Frances Mary Young Mason|Mason, Frances Mary Young]] (1882–1932)
* [[Author:John Mitchell Mason|Mason, John Mitchell]] (1770—1829)
* [[Author:Lawrence Mason|Mason, Lawrence]] (1882–1939)
* [[Author:Lowell Mason|Mason, Lowell]] (1792–1872)
* [[Author:Otis Tufton Mason|Mason, Otis Tufton]] (1838–1908)
* [[Author:Rufus Osgood Mason|Mason, Rufus Osgood]] (1830–1903)
* [[Author:George Massee|Massee, George]] (1850–1917)
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* [[Author:Jean-Baptiste Massillon|Massillon, Jean-Baptiste]] (1663–1742)
* [[Author:Philip Massinger|Massinger, Philip]] (1583–1640)
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* [[Author:David Masson|Masson, David]] (1822–1907)
* [[Author:David Orme Masson|Masson, David Orme]] (1858–1937)
* [[Author:Flora Masson|Masson, Flora]] (1857–1937)
* [[Author:Thomas Lansing Masson|Masson, Thomas Lansing]] (1866–1934)
* [[Author:Ahmad Shah Massoud|Massoud, Ahmad Shah]] (1953–2001)
* [[Author:Edgar Lee Masters|Masters, Edgar Lee]] (1868–1950)
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* [[Author:Mostafa Mastoor|Mastoor, Mostafa]] (1965–present)
* [[Author:Antonín Matějček|Matějček, Antonín]] (1889–1950)
* [[Author:Rudolf Mates|Mates, Rudolf]] (1881–1966)
* [[Author:Cotton Mather|Mather, Cotton]] (1663–1728)
* [[Author:Frederic Gregory Mather|Mather, Frederic Gregory]] (1844–1925)
* [[Author:Percy Ewing Matheson|Matheson, Percy Ewing]] (1859–1946)
* [[Author:John Frederick Matheus|Matheus, John Frederick]] (1887–1983)
* [[Author:James Charles Mathew|Mathew, Sir James Charles]] (1830–1908)
* [[Author:Murray Alexander Mathew|Mathew, Murray Alexander]] (1838–1908)
* [[Author:George Ballard Mathews|Mathews, George Ballard]] (1861–1922)
* [[Author:Gregory Mathews|Mathews, Gregory]] (1876–1949)
* [[Author:Oliver Mathews|Mathews, Oliver]] (c. 1520–c. 1618)
* [[Author:William Mathews|Mathews, William]] (1818–1909)
* [[Author:William George Maton|Maton, William George]] (1774–1835)
* [[Author:Robert Matteson Johnston|Matteson Johnston, Robert]] (1867–1920)
* [[Author:Arnold Harris Matthew|Matthew, Arnold Harris]] (1852–1919)
* [[Author:Brander Matthews|Matthews, Brander]] (1852–1929)
* [[Author:Donald John Matthews|Matthews, Donald John]] (1873–1956)
* [[Author:Henry Haw Matthews|Matthews, Henry Haw]] (1845–1915)
* [[Author:Philip Walter Matthews|Matthews, Philip Walter]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:Thomas Stanley Matthews|Matthews, Thomas Stanley]] (1824–1889)
* [[Author:Augustus Matthiessen|Matthiessen, Augustus]] (1831–1870)
* [[Author:Claude Matthieu, Count Gardane|Matthieu, Count Gardane, Claude]] (1766–1818)
* [[Author:Pietro Andrea Mattioli|Mattioli, Pietro Andrea Gregorio]] (1501–1577)
* [[Author:Jan Matulka|Matulka, Jan]] (1890–1972)
* [[Author:Albert Adolph Matzke|Matzke, Albert Adolph]] (1881–1947)
* [[Author:Frederic Natusch Maude|Maude, Frederic Natusch]] (1854–1933)
* [[Author:Alfred Percival Maudslay|Maudslay, Alfred Percival]] (1850–1931)
* [[Author:Henry Maudsley|Maudsley, Henry]] (1835–1918)
* [[Author:William Somerset Maugham|'''Maugham, William Somerset''']] (1867–1965)
* [[Author:Cuthbert Maughan|Maughan, Cuthbert]] (1884–1953)
* [[Author:Francis Richard Maunsell|Maunsell, Francis Richard]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:Guy de Maupassant|'''Maupassant, Guy de''']] (1850–1893)
* [[Author:Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis|Maupertuis, Pierre Louis Moreau de]] (1698–1759)
* [[Author:Maurer Maurer|Maurer, Maurer]] ({{floruit}} 20th century)
* [[Author:Richard Steel Maurice|Maurice, Richard Steel]] (1827–1868)
* [[Author:Rabanus Maurus|Maurus, Rabanus]] (780–856)
* [[Author:Dabney Herndon Maury|'''Maury, Dabney Herndon''']] (1882–1900)
* [[Author:Matthew Fontaine Maury|'''Maury, Matthew Fontaine''']] (1806–1873)
* [[Author:Richard Launcelot Maury|'''Maury, Richard Launcelot''']] (1840–1907)
* [[Author:Octave Maus|Maus, Octave]] (1856–1919)
* [[Author:Eduard Mautner|Mautner, Eduard]] (1824–1889)
* [[Author:Allen Mawer|Mawer, Allen]] (1879–1942)
* [[Author:Karl Max|Max, Karl]] (1860–1928)
* [[Author:Hiram Percy Maxim|Maxim, Hiram]] (1869–1936)
* [[Author:William Ralph Maxon|Maxon, William Ralph]] (1877–1948)
* [[Author:James Clerk Maxwell|Maxwell, James Clerk]] (1831–1879)
* [[Author:Herbert Eustace Maxwell|Maxwell, Rt. Hon. Sir Herbert Eustace]] (1845–1937)
* [[Author:Edward Ralph May|May, Edward Ralph]] (1819–1852?)
* [[Author:Florence May|May, Florence]] (1845–1923)
* [[Author:George Ernest May|May, George Ernest]] (1871–1946)
* [[Author:James Lewis May|May, James Lewis]] (1873–1961)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich May|May, Karl Friedrich]] (1842–1912)
* [[Author:Thomas Erskine May|May, Thomas Erskine]] (1815–1886)
* [[Author:Vladimir Mayakovsky|Mayakovsky, Vladimir]] (1893–1930)
* [[Author:Alfred Goldsborough Mayer|Mayer, Alfred Goldsborough]] (1868–1922)
* [[Author:Alfred Marshall Mayer|Mayer, Alfred Marshall]] (1836–1897)
* [[Author:Julius Robert von Mayer|von Mayer, Julius Robert]] (1814–1878)
* [[Author:Samuel Ralph Townshend Mayer|Mayer, Samuel Ralph Townshend]] (1841–1880)
* [[Author:Edward Mayes|Mayes, Edward]] (1846–1917)
* [[Author:Henry Mayhew|Mayhew, Henry]] (1812–1887)
* [[Author:Charles Johnson Maynard|Maynard, Charles Johnson]] (1845–1929)
* [[Author:Lucy Warner Maynard|Maynard, Lucy Warner]] (1852–1936)
* [[Author:Theodore Maynard|Maynard, Theodore]] (1890–1956)
* [[Author:Arthur Maynwaring|Maynwaring, Arthur]] (1668–1712)
* [[Author:Charles Herbert Mayo|Mayo, Charles Herbert]] (1845–1929)
* [[Author:Isabella Fyvie Mayo|Mayo, Isabella Fyvie]] (1843–1914)
* [[Author:Katherine Mayo|Mayo, Katherine]] (1868–1940)
* [[Author:Richmond Mayo-Smith|Mayo-Smith, Richmond]] (1854–1901)
* [[Author:Aloysius Mazewski|Mazewski, Aloysius]] (1916–1988)
* [[Author:Amvika Charan Mazumdar|Mazumdar, Amvika Charan]] (1851–1922)
* [[Author:A. Madhaviah|A. Madhaviah]] (1872–1925)

==Mb==
* [[Author:Thabo Mbeki|Mbeki, Thabo]] (1942–present)

==Mc==
* [[Author:Alexander McAdie|McAdie, Alexander]] (1863–1943)
* [[Author:William Gibbs McAdoo|McAdoo, William Gibbs]] (1863–1941)
* [[Author:Alexander McAulay|McAulay, Alexander]] (''fl.'' 1738)
* [[Author:Alexander McAulay (mathematician)|McAulay, Alexander]] (1863–1931)
* [[Author:Howard Lee McBain|McBain, Howard Lee]] (1880–1936)
* [[Author:Gerard McBurney|McBurney, Gerard]] (1954–present)
* [[Author:Joseph McCabe|McCabe, Joseph]] (1867–1955)
* [[Author:William Bernard McCabe|McCabe, William Bernard]] (1801–1891)
* [[Author:William Gordon McCabe|McCabe, William Gordon]] (1841–1920)
* [[Author:John McCain|McCain, John]] (1936–2018)
* [[Author:James Edward McCall|McCall, James Edward]] (1880–1963)
* [[Author:Carlton McCarthy|McCarthy, Carlton]] (1847–1936)
* [[Author:Eugene McCarthy|McCarthy, Eugene Joseph &quot;Gene&quot;]] (1916–2005)
* [[Author:Harry McCarthy|McCarthy, Harry]] (1834–1888)
* [[Author:James Joseph McCarthy|McCarthy, James Joseph]] (1817–1882)
* [[Author:Joseph McCarthy (1885-1943)|McCarthy, Joseph]] (1885–1943)
* [[Author:Justin McCarthy|McCarthy, Justin]] (1830–1912)
* [[Author:Alexander McCaul|McCaul, Alexander]] (1799–1863)
* [[Author:John McCaul|McCaul, John]] (1807–1886)
* [[Author:Claire McCaskill|McCaskill, Claire]] (1953–present)
* [[Author:Robert Murray M'Cheyne|M'Cheyne, Robert Murray]] (1813–1843)
* [[Author:George Brinton McClellan|McClellan, George B.]] (1826–1885)
* [[Author:Henry Brainerd McClellan|McClellan, Henry Brainerd]] (1840–1904)
* [[Author:John Ludlum McConnel|McConnel, John Ludlum]] (1826–1862)
* [[Author:Mitch McConnell|McConnell, Mitch]] (1942–present)
* [[Author:Primrose McConnell|McConnell, Primrose]] (1856–1931)
* [[Author:Richard George McConnell|McConnell, Richard George]] (1857–1942)
* [[Author:Peter Dodds McCormick|McCormick, Peter Dodds]] (1834–1916)
* [[Author:Samuel Black McCormick|McCormick, Samuel Black]] (1858–1928)
* [[Author:Wilfred McCormick|McCormick, Wilfred]] (1903–1983)
* [[Author:William Symington M'Cormick|M'Cormick, William Symington]] (1857–1930)
* [[Author:Thomas Chalmers McCorvey|McCorvey, Thomas Chalmers]] (1851–1932)
* [[Author:James McCosh|McCosh, James]] (1811–1894)
* [[Author:John McCrae (1872-1918)|McCrae, John]] (1872–1918)
* [[Author:Robert Barlow McCrea|McCrea, Robert Barlow]] (1823–1897)
* [[Author:Johnston McCulley|McCulley, Johnston]] (1883–1958)
* [[Author:Hugh McCulloch|McCulloch, Hugh]] (1808–1895)
* [[Author:John Ramsay McCulloch|McCulloch, John Ramsay]] (1789–1864)
* [[Author:John B. McDonnell|McDonnell, John B.]] (b. 1885)
* [[Author:John McElroy|McElroy, John]] (1846–1929)
* [[Author:Samuel Douglas McEnery|McEnery, Samuel Douglas]] (1837–1910)
* [[Author:John McEwan|McEwan, John]] (1855–1924)
* [[Author:Stephen Lee McFarland|McFarland, Stephen Lee]] (1950—)
* [[Author:William Morley Punshon McFee|McFee, William Morley Punshon]] (1881–1966)
* [[Author:Arthur Cushman McGiffert|McGiffert, Arthur Cushman]] (1861–1933)
* [[Author:Evander Bradley McGilvary|McGilvary, Evander Bradley]] (1864–1953)
* [[Author:Robert Cooper McGinn|McGinn, Robert Cooper]] (1831–1905)
* [[Author:William Topaz McGonagall|McGonagall, William Topaz]] (1825–1902)
* [[Author:Reginald Charles McGrane|McGrane, Reginald Charles]] (1889–1967)
* [[Author:Richard Crittenden McGregor|McGregor, Richard Crittenden]] (1871–1936)
* [[Author:Dorothy McIlwraith|McIlwraith, Dorothy]] (1891–1976)
* [[Author:Maria Jane McIntosh|McIntosh, Maria Jane]] (1803–1878)
* [[Author:William Carmichael M'Intosh|McIntosh, William Carmichael]] (1838–1931)
* [[Author:George McIver|McIver, George]] (1859–1945)
* [[Author:Claude McKay|McKay, Claude]] (1889/90–1948)
* [[Author:John Gray McKendrick|McKendrick, John Gray]] (1841–1926)
* [[Author:Joseph McKenna|McKenna, Joseph]] (1843–1926)
* [[Author:Ronald Brunlees McKerrow|McKerrow, Ronald Brunlees]] (1872–1940)
* [[Author:Albert Edward McKinley|McKinley, Albert Edward]] (1870–1936)
* [[Author:John McKinley|McKinley, John]] (1780–1852)
* [[Author:William McKinley|McKinley, William]] (1843–1901)
* [[Author:Robert McLachlan|McLachlan, Robert]] (1837–1904)
* [[Author:Sydney Temple Leopold McLaglen|McLaglen, Sydney Temple Leopold]] (1884–1951)
* [[Author:John McLaren|McLaren, John]] (1846–1943)
* [[Author:Archibald McLean|McLean, Archibald]] (1791–1865)
* [[Author:John McLean (1785-1861)|McLean, John]] (1785–1861)
* [[Author:Norman McLean|McLean, Norman]] (1865–1947)
* [[Author:John Ferguson McLennan|McLennan, John Ferguson]] (1827–1881)
* [[Author:John McMahan|McMahan, John]] (1800s)
* [[Author:Joseph Henry McMahon|McMahon, Joseph Henry]] (1862–1939)
* [[Author:John Bach McMaster|McMaster, John Bach]] (1852–1932)
* [[Author:Walter George McMillan|McMillan (or M'Millan), Walter George]] (1861–1904)
* [[Author:John Mercier McMullen|McMullen, John Mercier]] (1820–1907)
* [[Author:Charles Alexander McMurry|McMurry, Charles Alexander]] (1857–1929)
* [[Author:Frank Morton McMurry|McMurry, Frank Morton]] (1862–1936)
* [[Author:Richard Coxe McMurtrie|McMurtrie, Richard Coxe]] (1819–1894)
* [[Author:James Aldren McNaught|McNaught, James Aldren]] (1828–1915)
* [[Author:Herman Cyril McNeile|McNeile, Herman Cyril]] (1888–1937)
* [[Author:Ronald John McNeill|McNeill, Ronald John]] (1861–1934)
* [[Author:James Clark McReynolds|McReynolds, James Clark]] (1862–1946)
* [[Author:Joseph Walker McSpadden|McSpadden, Joseph Walker]] (1874–1960)
* [[Author:Terrell McSweeny|McSweeny, Terrell]]
* [[Author:John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart|McTaggart, John McTaggart Ellis]] (1866–1925)
* [[Author:Emilie Watts McVea|McVea, Emilie Watts]] (1867–1928)

=={{anchor|Me}}Me/Mé==
* [[Author:Margaret Mead|Mead, Margaret]] (1901–1978)
* [[Author:Elizabeth Thomasina Meade|Meade, Elizabeth Thomasina]] (1854–1914)
* [[Author:Kirk Meadowcroft|Meadowcroft, Kirk]] {c. 1928)
* [[Author:Thomas Francis Meagher|Meagher, Thomas Francis]] (1823–1867)
* [[Author:Budgett Meakin|Meakin, Budgett]] (1866–1906)
* [[Author:Kate Alberta Meakin|Meakin, Kate Alberta]] (1868–1956)
* [[Author:Edmond Stephen Meaney|Meaney, Edmond Stephen]] (1862–1935)
* [[Author:Joseph Calrow Means|Means, Joseph Calrow]] (1801–1879)
* [[Author:Philip Ainsworth Means|Means, Philip Ainsworth]] (1892–1944)
* [[Author:Lyon Mearson|Mearson, Lyon]] (1888–1966)
* [[Author:George Samuel Measom|Measom, George Samuel]] (1818–1901)
* [[Author:Malcolm Ronald Laing Meason|Meason, Malcolm Ronald Laing]] (1820–1889)
* [[Author:Rudolf Medek|Medek, Rudolf]] (1890–1940)
* [[Author:Walter Henry Medhurst (1796-1857)|Medhurst, Walter Henry]] (1796–1857)
* [[Author:Joseph Medill|Medill, Joseph]] (1823–1899)
* [[Author:José Toribio Medina|Medina, José Toribio]] (1852–1930)
* [[Author:Arthur Mee|Mee, Arthur]] (1875–1943)
* [[Author:Fielding Bradford Meek|Meek, Fielding Bradford]] (1817–1876)
* [[Author:Gregory Meeks|Meeks, Gregory]] (1953–)
* [[Author:John Megaw|Megaw, John]] (1874–1958)
* [[Author:Ernst Heinrich Meier|Meier, Ernst Heinrich]] (1813–1866)
* [[Author:Arthur Meighen|Meighen, Arthur]] (1874–1960)
* [[Author:Arnold Hilary Meiklejohn|Meiklejohn, Arnold Hilary]] (1874-1932)
* [[Author:John Miller Dow Meiklejohn|Meiklejohn, John Miller Dow]] (1830–1902)
* [[Author:Charles De Sales Mehegan|Mehegan, Charles De Sales]] (1863–1947)
* [[Author:Meher Baba|Meher Baba]] (1894–1969)
* [[Author:Cornelia Meigs|Meigs, Cornelia]] (1884–1973)
* [[Author:Meir of Rothenburg|Meir of Rothenburg]] (c. 1215–1293)
* [[Author:August Gottlieb Meißner|Meißner, August Gottlieb]] (1753–1807)
* [[Author:Alfred Meissner|Meissner, Alfred]] (1822–1885)
* [[Author:Barnabas Meistermann|Meistermann, Barnabas]] (1850–1923)
* [[Author:Epifanio Mejía|Mejía, Epifanio]] (1838–1913)
* [[Author:Beatrice Machula Mekota|Mekota, Beatrice Machula]] (1881–1922)
* [[Author:Dora Mekouar|Mekouar, Dora]]
* [[Author:Samuel Max Melamed|Melamed, Samuel Max]] (1885–1938)
* [[Author:Philipp Melanchthon|Melanchthon, Philipp]] (1497–1560)
* [[Author:Raphael Meldola|Meldola, Raphael]] (1849–1915)
* [[Author:Tereza Mellanová|Mellanová, Tereza]] (1863–1950)
* [[Author:Grenville Mellen|Mellen, Grenville]] (1799–1841)
* [[Author:John Magens Mello|Mello, John Magens]] (1836–1903)
* [[Author:Macedonio Melloni|Melloni, Macedonio]] (1798– 1854)
* [[Author:Arthur Mellor|Mellor, Arthur]] (1851–?)
* [[Author:William Melmoth (1666-1743)|Melmoth, William]] (1665–1743)
* [[Author:William Melmoth (1710-1799)|Melmoth, William]] (1710–1799)
* [[Author:Guy Stanley Meloy|Meloy, Guy Stanley]] (1874–1965)
* [[Author:Henry Melvill|Melvill, Henry]] (1798–1871)
* [[Author:George Wallace Melville|Melville, George Wallace]] (1841–1912)
* [[Author:Herman Melville|'''Melville, Herman''']] (1819–1891)
* [[Author:Christopher Gustavus Memminger|Memminger, Christopher]] (1803–1888) 
* [[Author:Federico Luigi Menabrea|Federico Luigi Menabrea]] (1809–1896)
* [[Author:Menander|'''Menander''']] (c. 342/341 B.C.E.–c. 290 B.C.E.)
* [[Author:H. L. Mencken|Mencken, Henry Louis]] (1880–1956)
* [[Author:Felix Mendelssohn|Mendelssohn, Felix]] (1809–1847)
* [[Author:Moses Mendelssohn|Mendelssohn, Moses]] (1729–1786)
* [[Author:Henrique Lopes de Mendonça|Mendonça, Henrique Lopes de]] (1856–1931)
* [[Author:Robert Menendez|Menendez, Robert]] (1954–present)
* [[Author:Menelaus of Alexandria|Menelaus of Alexandria]] (c. 70–140)
* [[Author:V. P. Menon|Menon, V. P.]] (1893–1965)
* [[Author:Vallathol Narayana Menon|Menon, Vallathol Narayana]] (1878–1958)
* [[Author:Zoe Mentel|Mentel, Zoe]] (fl. 2012)
* [[Author:Alfred Menzies|Menzies, Alfred]] (?–1836)
* [[Author:Allan Menzies|Menzies, Allan]] (1845–1916)
* [[Author:Archibald Menzies|Menzies, Archibald]] (1761–1842)
* [[Author:James Sutherland Menzies|Menzies, James Sutherland]] (1806–1886)
* [[Author:Charles Fenton Mercer|Mercer, Charles Fenton]] (1778–1858)
* [[Author:Louis-Sébastien Mercier|Mercier, Louis-Sébastien]] (1740–1814)
* [[Author:George Meredith|Meredith, George]] (1828–1909)
* [[Author:James Creed Meredith|Meredith, James Creed]] (1875–1942)
* [[Author:Louisa Anne Meredith|Meredith, Louisa Anne]] (1812–1895)
* [[Author:Edward George Earle Lytton Bulwer|Meredith, Owen]] (1803–1873)
* [[Author:Robert Rhoden Meredith|Meredith, Robert Rhoden]] (1837–1919)
* [[Author:Newton Dennison Mereness|Mereness, Newton Dennison]] (?–?)
* [[Author:John Davies Mereweather|Mereweather, John Davies]] (1816–1896)
* [[Author:James Merikangas|Merikangas, James]] (1900s)
* [[Author:Prosper Mérimée|Mérimée, Prosper]] (1803–1870)
* [[Author:Herman Merivale|Merivale, Herman]] (1806–1874)
* [[Author:Herman Charles Merivale|Merivale, Herman Charles]] (1839–1906)
* [[Author:John Herman Merivale|Merivale, John Herman]] (1779–1844)
* [[Author:Angela Merkel|Merkel, Angela]] (1954–)
* [[Author:Florence Augusta Merriam Bailey|Merriam, Florence A.]] (1863–1948)
* [[Author:George Spring Merriam|Merriam, George Spring]] (1843–1914)
* [[Author:James Merrick|Merrick, James]] (1720–1769)
* [[Author:James Lyman Merrick|Merrick, James Lyman]] (1803–1866)
* [[Author:Mary Philadelphia Merrifield|Merrifield, Mary Philadelphia]] (1804–1889)
* [[Author:Frederick James Hamilton Merrill|Merrill, Frederick James Hamilton]] (1861–1916)
* [[Author:Ernest Northcroft Merrington|Merrington, Ernest Northcroft]] (1876–1953)
* [[Author:Abraham Merritt|Merritt, Abraham]] (1884–1943)
* [[Author:William Walter Merry|Merry, William Walter]] (1835–1918)
* [[Author:Marin Mersenne|Mersenne, Marin]] (1588–1648)
* [[Author:John Mersereau|Mersereau, John]] (1898–1989)
* [[Author:Francis Mershman|Mershman, Francis]] (1852–1916)
* [[Author:William Butts Mershon|Mershon, William Butts]] (18??–19??)
* [[Author:Thomas Ralph Merton|Merton, Thomas Ralph]] (1888–1969)
* [[Author:John Theodore Merz|Merz, John Theodore]] (1840–1922)
* [[Author:Stanislas Étienne Meunier|Meunier, Stanislas Étienne]] (1843–1925)
* [[Author:Martin Meurisse|Meurisse, Martin]] (1584–1644)
* [[Author:Charlotte Mew|Mew, Charlotte]] (1869–1928)
* [[Author:James Mew|Mew, James]] (1837–1913)
* [[Author:Alexander Feliksovich Meyendorff|Meyendorff, Alexander Feliksovich]] (1869–1964)
* [[Author:Albert Ronald da Silva Meyer|Meyer, Albert Ronald da Silva]] (1941– )
* [[Author:August Ferdinand Meyer|Meyer, August Ferdinand]] (1811–1894)
* [[Author:Christian Erich Hermann von Meyer|von Meyer, Christian Erich Hermann]] (1801–1869)
* [[Author:Eduard Meyer|Meyer, Eduard]] (1855–1930)
* [[Author:Georg Hermann von Meyer|Meyer, Georg Hermann von]] (1815–1892)
* [[Author:Johann Friedrich von Meyer|Meyer, Johann Friedrich von]] (1772–1849)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Meyer-Lübke|Meyer-Lübke, Wilhelm]] (1861–1936)
* [[Author:Ludwig Meyn|Meyn, Ludwig]] (1820–1878)
* [[Author:Alice Meynell|Meynell, Alice Christiana Gertrude Thompson]] (1847–1922)
* [[Author:Alfred Jean François Mézières|Mézières, Alfred Jean François]] (1826–1915)
* [[Author:Paul Meznarich|Meznarich, Paul]] (20. century-)

==Mi==
* [[Author:Bernard Miall|Maill, Bernard]] (1876–1953)
* [[Author:Mibu no Tadami|Mibu no Tadami]] (10th cent.)
* [[Author:Mibu no Tadamine|Mibu no Tadamine]] (c. 860–c. 920)
* [[Author:Michael de Causis|Michael de Causis]] (c. 1380 – c. 1432)
* [[Author:Michal z Prachatic|Michal z Prachatic]] (fl. 1406)
* [[Author:Wenceslaus Cyrill Michalicka|Michalicka, Wenceslaus Cyrill]] (1894–1982)
* [[Author:André Michaux|Michaux, André]] (1746–1802)
* [[Author:Oscar Devereaux Micheaux|Micheaux, Oscar Devereaux]] (1884–1951)
* [[Author:Edward Henry Michelsen|Michelsen, Edward Henry]] (1795–1870)
* [[Author:Albert Abraham Michelson|Michelson, Albert Abraham]] (1852–1931)
* [[Author:Alexander Michie|Michie, Alexander]] (1833–1902)
* [[Author:Adam Mickiewicz|Mickiewicz, Adam]] (1798–1855)
* [[Author:William Julius Mickle|Mickle, William Julius]] (1735–1788)
* [[Author:S. G. C. Middlemore|Middlemore, Samuel]] (1848–1890)
* [[Author:George Middleton|Middleton, George]] (1880–1967)
* [[Author:Jesse Edgar Middleton|Middleton, Jesse Edgar]] (1872–1934)
* [[Author:Rofū Miki|Miki, Rofū]] (1889–1964)
* [[Author:Matěj Mikšíček|Mikšíček, Matěj]] (1815–1892)
* [[Author:Mikuláš Matějův z Brna|Mikuláš Matějův z Brna]] (14th–15th century)
* [[Author:Lydia Miller Middleton|Middleton, Lady Lydia Falconer Fraser Miller]] (1866–1934)
* [[Author:Richard Barham Middleton|Middleton, Richard Barham]] (1882–1911)
* [[Author:Thomas Middleton|Middleton, Thomas]] (1580–1627)
* [[Author:Charles Francis Bonaventure Miel|Miel, Charles Francis Bonaventure]] (1817–1902)
* [[Author:Henry Alexander Miers|Miers, Henry Alexander]] (1858–1942)
* [[Author:Chedomille Mijatovich|Mijatovich, Chedomille]] (1842–1932); also spelled Čedomilj Mijatović (or Mijatovitch, Miyatovich or Miyatovitch)
* [[Author:Barbara Mikulski|Mikulski, Barbara]] (1936–present)
* [[Author:Charles Arundell St. John Mildmay|Mildmay, Charles Arundell St. John]] (1820–1904)
* [[Author:Alexander Miles|Miles, Alexander]] (1900s)
* [[Author:Charles Austin Miles|Miles, Charles Austin]] (1868–1946)
* [[Author:Manly Miles|Miles, Manly]] (1826–1898)
* [[Author:Nelson Appleton Miles|Miles, Nelson Appleton]] (1839–1925)
* [[Author:Sibella Elizabeth Miles|Miles, Sibella Elizabeth]] (1800–1882)
* [[Author:Harvey Milk|Milk, Harvey]] (1930–1978)
* [[Author:Hugh Robert Mill|Mill, Hugh Robert]] (1861–1950)
* [[Author:James Mill|Mill, James]] (1773–1836)
* [[Author:John Stuart Mill|'''Mill, John Stuart''']] (1806–1873)
* [[Author:John Everett Millais|Millais, John Everett]] (1829–1896)
* [[Author:Alexander Hastie Millar|Millar, Alexander Hastie]] (1847–1927)
* [[Author:John Millard|Millard, John]] (fl. 19th century)
* [[Author:Edna St. Vincent Millay|'''Millay, Edna St. Vincent''']] (1892–1950)
* [[Author:Alban Bertram de Mille|de Mille, Alban Bertram]] (1873–1942)
* [[Author:Alice Miller|Miller, Alice]] (1923–2010)
* [[Author:David J. Miller|Miller, David J.]] (c. 1831–1886 or later)
* [[Author:Dayton Miller|Miller, Dayton Clarence]] (1866–1941)
* [[Author:Harriet Mann Miller|Miller, Harriet Mann]] (1831–1918)
* [[Author:Harry S. Miller|Miller, Harry S.]] (1800s–1900s)
* [[Author:Joaquin Miller|Miller, Joaquin]] (1837 or 1841–1913)
* [[Author:Peter Schuyler Miller|Miller, Peter Schuyler]] (1912–1974)
* [[Author:Philip Miller|Miller, Philip]] (1691–1771)
* [[Author:Samuel Freeman Miller|Miller, Samuel Freeman]] (1816–1890)
* [[Author:Thomas Miller (poet)|Miller, Thomas]] (1807–1874)
* [[Author:Thomas Miller (captain)|Miller, Thomas]] (fl. 1857)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Tyler Miller|Miller, Wilhelm Tyler]] (1869–1938)
* [[Author:William Miller|Miller, William]] (1782–1849)
* [[Author:William Charles Miller|Miller, William Charles]] (1826–?)
* [[Author:George Milligan|Milligan, George]] (1860–1934)
* [[Author:William Milligan|Milligan, William]] (1821–1893)
* [[Author:Aubin-Louis Millin|Millin de Grandmaison, Aubin-Louis]] (1759–1818)
* [[Author:Alexander van Millingen|Millingen, Alexander van]] (1840–1915)
* [[Author:Lady Dorothy Mills|Mills, Lady Dorothy]] (1889–1959)
* [[Author:Roger Q. Mills|Mills, Roger Quarles]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Roswell George Mills|Roswell George Mills]] (1896–1966)
* [[Author:Henry Hart Milman|Milman, Henry Hart]] (1791–1868)
* [[Author:Georgine Milmine|Milmine (Welles Adams), Georgine]] (1874–1950)
* [[Author:A. A. Milne|Milne, Alan Alexander]] (1882–1956)
* [[Author:John Milne|Milne, John]] (1850–1913)
* [[Author:Alfred Milner|Milner, Alfred]] (1854–1925)
* [[Author:John Milner (1822-1897)|Milner, John]] (1822–1897)
* [[Author:R. D. Milner|Milner, R. D.]] (1869–1936)
* [[Author:George Gery Milner-Gibson-Cullum|Milner-Gibson-Cullum, George Gery]] (1857–1921)
* [[Author:Momčilo Milošević|Milošević, Momčilo]] (1885–1979)
* [[Author:Karl Borromäus von Miltitz|Miltitz, Karl Borromäus von]] (1781–1845)
* [[Author:James Tayler Milton|Milton, James Tayler]] (1850–1933)
* [[Author:John Milton|'''Milton, John''']] (1608–1674)
* [[Author:Edwin Mims|Mims, Edwin]] (1872–1959)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Hitoshi|Minamoto no Hitoshi]] (880–950)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Kanemasa|Minamoto no Kanemasa]] (11th cent.–12th cent.)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Muneyuki|Minamoto no Muneyuki]] (?–940)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Sanetomo|Minamoto no Sanetomo]] (1192–1219)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Shigeyuki|Minamoto no Shigeyuki]] (?–1000)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Shunrai|Minamoto no Shunrai]] (1055–1129)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Tōru|Minamoto no Tōru]] (822–895)
* [[Author:Minamoto no Tsunenobu|Minamoto no Tsunenobu]] (1016–1097)
* [[Author:Edward Alfred Minchin|Minchin, Edward Alfred]] (1866–1915)
* [[Author:Charles Miner|Miner, Charles]] (1780–1865)
* [[Author:Horace Mitchell Miner|Miner, Horace Mitchell]] (1912–1993)
* [[Author:Hermann Minkowski|Minkowski, Hermann]] (1864–1909)
* [[Author:Charles Minnigerode|Minnigerode, Charles]] (1814–1894)
* [[Author:Ellis Hovell Minns|Minns, Ellis Hovell]] (1874–1953)
* [[Author:Robert Dabney Minor|Minor, Robert Dabney]] (1827–1871)
* [[Author:Charles Sedgwick Minot|Minot, Charles Sedgwick]] (1852–1914)
* [[Author:William Minto|Minto, William]] (1845–1893)
* [[Author:Sherman Minton|Minton, Sherman]] (1890–1965)
* [[Author:William Carmichael M'Intosh|M'Intosh, William Carmichael]] (1838–1931)
* [[Author:Octave Mirbeau|Mirbeau, Octave]] (1848–1917)
* [[Author:Charles-François Brisseau de Mirbel|de Mirbel, Charles-François Brisseau]] (1776–1854)
* [[Author:Hope Mirrlees|Mirrlees, Hope]] (1887–1978)
* [[Author:Carl Theodor Mirbt|Mirbt, Carl Theodor]] (1860–1929)
* [[Author:Krste Misirkov|Misirkov, Krste]] (1874–1926)
* [[Author:Jack Chapman Miske|Miske, Jack Chapman]] (1920–2003)
* [[Author:John Mitchel|Mitchel, John]] (1815–1875)
* [[Author:Donald Grant Mitchell|Mitchell, Donald Grant]] (1822–1908)
* [[Author:Dugald Mitchell|Mitchell, Dugald]] (?–1915)
* [[Author:Edward Page Mitchell|Mitchell, Edward Page]] (1852–1927)
* [[Author:Edward Phillips Mitchell|Mitchell, Edward Phillips]] (1812–1880)
* [[Author:Frederick Shaw Mitchell|Mitchell, Frederick Shaw]] (1852–1929)
* [[Author:Hugh Mitchell|Mitchell, Hugh]] (1849–1937)
* [[Author:John Kirkwood Mitchell|Mitchell, John Kirkwood]] (1811–1889)
* [[Author:John Malcolm Mitchell|Mitchell, John Malcolm]] (1879–1940)
* [[Author:Margaret Mitchell|Mitchell, Margaret]] (1900–1949)
* [[Author:Peter Chalmers Mitchell|Mitchell, Peter Chalmers]] (1864–1945)
* [[Author:Silas Weir Mitchell|Mitchell, Silas Weir]] (1829–1914)
* [[Author:Susan Langstaff Mitchell|Mitchell, Susan]] (1866–1926)
* [[Author:Thomas Mitchell|Mitchell, Thomas Livingston]] (1792–1855)
* [[Author:Walter Mitchell|Mitchell, Walter]] (1826–1908)
* [[Author:William M. Mitchell|Mitchell, William M.]] (?–?)
* [[Author:William Mitford|Mitford, William]] (1744–1827)
* [[Author:Rajendralal Mitra|Mitra, Rajendralal]] (1824–1891)
* [[Author:Geraldine Edith Mitton|Mitton, Geraldine Edith]] (1868–1955)
* [[Author:St. George Jackson Mivart|Mivart, St. George Jackson]] (1827–1900)
* [[Author:Asataro Miyamori|Miyamori, Asataro]] (1869–1952)

==Mo==
* [[Author:George Herbert Moberly|Moberly, George Herbert]] (1837–1895)
* [[Author:Lucy Gertrude Moberly|Moberly, Lucy Gertrude]] (1861–1931)
* [[Author:David A. Modell|Modell, David A.]] (1878–)
* [[Author:Narendra Modi|Narendra Modi]] (b. 1950)
* [[Author:James Moffatt|Moffatt, James]] (1870–1944)
* [[Author:William Adger Moffett|Moffett, William Adger]] (1869–1933)
* [[Author:Eben Moglen|Moglen, Eben]] (1958–present)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich Mohr|Mohr, Karl Friedrich]] (1806–1879)
* [[Author:Yvonne Mokgoro|Mokgoro, Yvonne]] (1950–2024)
* [[Author:Lillian Mokrejs|Mokrejs, Lillian]] (1877–1970)
* [[Author:Jakub Moleš|Moleš, Jakub]] (14th – 15th century)
* [[Author:Guilford Lindsey Molesworth|Molesworth, Guilford Lindsey]] (1828–1925)
* [[Author:Molière|'''Molière''']] (1622–1673)
* [[Author:Paul Georg von Möllendorff|Möllendorff, Paul Georg von]] (1847–1901)
* [[Author:Gaspard Théodore Mollien|Mollien, Gaspard Théodore]] (1796–1872)
* [[Author:James Lynam Molloy|Molloy, James Lynam]] (1837–1909)
* [[Author:John Molloy|Molloy, John]] (c. 1789–1867)
* [[Author:Enrico Molnár|Molnár, Enrico]] (1913–1999)
* [[Author:Vyacheslav Molotov|Molotov, Vyacheslav]] (1890–1986)
* [[Author:Theodor Mommsen|Mommsen, Theodor]] (1817–1903)
* [[Author:James Vincent Monaco|Monaco, James Vincent]] (1885–1945)
* [[Author:Dave Monahan|Monahan, Dave]] (1918–2003)
* [[Author:Henri-Louis Duhamel du Monceau|Monceau, Henri-Louis Duhamel du]] (1700–1782)
* [[Author:Mary Frances Christina Münster|Monck, Mary Frances Christina]] (1829–1892)
* [[Author:Mr. Monck Berkeley|Monck Berkeley, Mr.]] (1763–1793)
* [[Author:Henry James Moncreiff|Moncreiff, Sir Henry James, 2nd Baron Moncreiff]] (1840–1909)
* [[Author:Montagu Sneade Faithfull Monier-Williams|Monier-Williams, Montagu Sneade Faithfull]] (1860–1931)
* [[Author:Moniot d'Arras|Moniot d'Arras]] (1213–1239)
* [[Author:Edwin George Monk|Monk, Edwin George]] (1820–1900)
* [[Author:Maria Monk|Monk, Maria]] (1816–1849)
* [[Author:William Henry Monk|Monk, William Henry]] (1823–1889)
* [[Author:William Cosmo Monkhouse|Monkhouse, William Cosmo]] (1840–1901)
* [[Author:Horace Woollaston Monckton|Monckton, Horace Woollaston]] (1857–1931)
* [[Author:Harriet Monroe|Monroe, Harriet]] (1860–1936)
* [[Author:James Monroe|'''Monroe, James''']] (1758–1831)
* [[Author:Paul Monroe|Monroe, Paul]] (1869–1947)
* [[Author:Basil Montagu|Montagu, Basil]] (1770–1851)
* [[Author:Charles Montagu|Montagu, Charles]] (1661–1715)
* [[Author:Samuel Montagu|Montagu, Samuel, 1st Baron Swaythling]] (1832–1911)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Montague|Montague, Charles Edward]] (1867–1928)
* [[Author:Francis Charles Montague|Montague, Francis Charles]] (1858–1935)
* [[Author:Michel de Montaigne|Montaigne, Michel Eyquem de]] (1533–1592)
* [[Author:Guidobaldo del Monte|del Monte, Guidobaldo]] (1545–1607)
* [[Author:Claude Joseph Goldsmid Montefiore|Montefiore, Claude Joseph Goldsmid-]] (1858–1938)
* [[Author:Judith Cohen Montefiore|Montefiore, Judith Cohen]] (1784–1862)
* [[Author:Moses Haim Montefiore|Montefiore, Moses Haim]] (1784–1885)
* [[Author:Montesquieu|'''Montesquieu, Charles, baron of''']] (1689–1755)
* [[Author:Maria Montessori|Montessori, Maria]] (1870–1952)
* [[Author:Claudio Monteverdi|'''Monteverdi, Claudio''']] (1567–1643)
* [[Author:B. S. Montgomery|Montgomery, B. S.]] (''fl''. 1860s–1870s)
* [[Author:David H. Montgomery|Montgomery, David H.]] (1837–1928)
* [[Author:Edmund Montgomery|Montgomery, Edmund]] (1835–1911)
* [[Author:James Montgomery|Montgomery, James]] (1771–1854)
* [[Author:James Alan Montgomery|Montgomery, James Alan]] (1866–1949)
* [[Author:Lucy Maud Montgomery|'''Montgomery, Lucy Maud''']] (1874–1942)
* [[Author:Mary Millicent Montgomery|Montgomery, Mary Millicent]] (1787–1868)
* [[Author:Robert Montgomery (1680–1731)|Montgomery, Robert]] (1680–1731)
* [[Author:Robert Montgomery (1807-1855)|Montgomery, Robert]] (1807–1855)
* [[Author:Thomas Harrison Montgomery (1830-1905)|Montgomery, Thomas Harrison]] (1830–1905)
* [[Author:Thomas Harrison Montgomery, Jr.|Montgomery, Thomas Harrison, Jr.]] (1873–1912)
* [[Author:William Montgomery|Montgomery, William]] (1871–1930)
* [[Author:James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose|Montrose, James Graham, 1st Marquess of]] (''fl.'' 17th century)
* [[Author:Jean-Étienne Montucla|Montucla, Jean-Étienne]] (1725–1799)
* [[Author:Susanna Moodie|Moodie, Susanna]] (1803–1885)
* [[Author:William Henry Moody|Moody, William H.]] (1853–1917)
* [[Author:George Washington Moon|Moon, George Washington]] (1823–1909)
* [[Author:Grace Moon|Moon, Grace]] (1877–1947)
* [[Author:Moon Jae-in|Moon, Jae-in]] (b. 1953)
* [[Author:James Mooney|Mooney, James]] (1861–1921)
* [[Author:Arthur William Moore|Moore, Arthur William]] (1853–1909)
* [[Author:Charles Herbert Moore|Moore, Charles Herbert]] (1840–1930)
* [[Author:Clement Clarke Moore|'''Moore, Clement''']] (1779–1863)
* [[Author:Clifford Herschel Moore|Moore, Clifford Herschel]] (1866–1931)
* [[Author:Frank Moore|Moore, Frank]] (1828–1904)
* [[Author:George Edward Moore|Moore, George Edward]] (1873–1958)
* [[Author:George Fletcher Moore|Moore, George Fletcher]] (1798–1896)
* [[Author:George Foot Moore|Moore, George Foot]] (1851–1931)
* [[Author:Henry Charles Moore|Moore, Henry Charles]] (1862–1933)
* [[Author:John Percy Moore|Moore, John Percy]] (1869–1965)
* [[Author:John Weeks Moore|Moore, John Weeks]] (1807–1886)
* [[Author:Marianne Moore|Moore, Marianne]] (1887–1972)
* [[Author:Olin Harris Moore|Moore, Olin Harris]] (1885–1968)
* [[Author:Norman Moore|Moore, Sir Norman]] (1847–1922)
* [[Author:Samuel Moore|Moore, Samuel]] (''fl.'' 1870s and 1880s)
* [[Author:Samuel Preston Moore|Moore, Samuel Preston]] (1813–1889)
* [[Author:Thomas Moore (1779-1852)|Moore, Thomas]] (1779–1852)
* [[Author:Thomas Moore (1821-1887)|Moore, Thomas]] (1821–1887)
* [[Author:Warren King Moorehead|Moorehead, Warren King]] (1866–1939)
* [[Author:Alberto J. Mora|Mora, Alberto J.]] (1951—)
* [[Author:Francis Luis Mora|Mora, Francis Luis]] (1874–1940)
* [[Author:Jorge Morales-Montor|Morales-Montor, Jorge]]
* [[Author:Roberta Morano|Morano, Roberta]] (fl. 2022)
* [[Author:Charles Mordaunt|Mordaunt, Charles]] (1658–1735)
* [[Author:Thomas Osbert Mordaunt|Mordaunt, Thomas Osbert]] (1730–1809)
* [[Author:Alexander Goodman More|More, Alexander Goodman]] (1830–1895)
* [[Author:Brookes More|More, Brooks]] (1859-1942)
* [[Author:Paul Elmer More|More, Paul Elmer]] (1864–1937)
* [[Author:Thomas More|'''More, Sir Thomas''']] (1477–1535)
* [[Author:Edmund Dene Morel|Morel, Edmund Dene]] (1873–1924)
* [[Author:Alfred Morel-Fatio|Morel-Fatio, Alfred]] (1850–1924)
* [[Author:Michael Morell|Morell, Michael]] (1958–present)
* [[Author:William Moreton|Moreton, William]] (1641–1715)
* [[Author:William Richard Morfill|Morfill, William Richard]] (1834–1909)
* [[Author:Augustus de Morgan|de Morgan, Augustus]] (1806–1871)
* [[Author:Algernon Herbert Vaughan Morgan|Morgan, Algernon Herbert Vaughan]] (1832–1862)
* [[Author:Bayard Quincy Morgan|Morgan, Bayard Quincy]] (1883–1967)
* [[Author:Forrest Morgan|Morgan, Forrest]] (1852–1924)
* [[Author:Grace Jones Morgan|Morgan, Grace Jones]] (1885–1977)
* [[Author:Jacque Morgan|Morgan, Jacque]]
* [[Author:John Morgan (Physician)|Morgan, John]] (1735–1789)
* [[Author:John Morgan (Soldier)|Morgan, John]] (1792–1866)
* [[Author:Clarence Henry Morrell|Morrell, Clarence Henry]] (1872–1902)
* [[Author:James Morris Morgan|Morgan, James Morris]] (1845–1928)
* [[Author:John Tyler Morgan|Morgan, John Tyler]] (1824–1907 )
* [[Author:Morris Hicky Morgan|Morgan, Morris Hicky]] (1859–1910)
* [[Author:Thomas Hunt Morgan|Morgan, Thomas Hunt]] (1866–1945)
* [[Author:Winfield Scott Morgan|Morgan, Winfield Scott]] (1851–1928)
* [[Author:Iolo Morganwg|Morganwg, Iolo]] (1747–1826)
* [[Author:Gerald Patrick Moriarty|Moriarty, Gerald Patrick]] (1863–1924)
* [[Author:James Justinian Morier|Morier, James Justinian]] (1780–1849)
* [[Author:Eduard Friedrich Mörike|Mörike, Eduard Friedrich]] (1804–1875)
* [[Author:Jean Morin|Morin, Jean]] (1591–1659)
* [[Author:James Augustus Cotter Morison|Morison, James Augustus Cotter]] (1832–1888)
* [[Author:Robert Morison|Morison, Robert]] (1620–1683)
* [[Author:Karl Philipp Moritz|Moritz, Karl]] (1757–1793)
* [[Author:Edith Julia Morley|Morley, Edith Julia]] (1875–1964)
* [[Author:Ebenezer Cobb Morley|Morely, Ebenezer Cobb]] (1831–1924)
* [[Author:Edward Morley|Morley, Edward Williams]] (1838–1923)
* [[Author:Henry Forster Morley|Morley, Henry Forster]] (1855–1943)
* [[Author:Henry Morley (1822-1894)|Morley, Henry]] (1822–1894)
* [[Author:John Morley|Morley, John]] (1838–1923)
* [[Author:Sylvanus Griswold Morley|Morley, Sylvanus Griswold]] (1883–1948)
* [[Author:Thomas Morong|Morong, Thomas]] (1827–1894)
* [[Author:Paul Morphy|Morphy, Paul]] (1837–1884)
* [[Author:Arthur Phillip Morres|Morres, Arthur Phillip]] (1835–1900)
* [[Author:Charles Morris|Morris, Charles]] (1833–1922)
* [[Author:Edward Joy Morris|Morris, Edward Joy]] (1815–1881)
* [[Author:Francis Orpen Morris|Morris, Francis Orpen]] (1810–1893)
* [[Author:George Pope Morris|Morris, George Pope]] (1802–1864)
* [[Author:Gouverneur Morris|Morris, Gouverneur]] (1752–1816)
* [[Author:Lewis Morris (1700-1765)|Morris, Lewis]] (1700—1765)
* [[Author:May Morris|Morris, May]] (1862–1938)
* [[Author:Ray Morris|Morris, Ray]] (1878–1951)
* [[Author:William Morris|Morris, William]] (1834–1896)
* [[Author:William O'Connor Morris|Morris, William O'Connor]] (1824–1904)
* [[Author:John Morris-Jones|Morris-Jones, John]] (1864–1929)
* [[Author:Alexander James William Morrison|Morrison, Alexander James William (translator)]] (1806–1865)
* [[Author:Charles H. Morrison|Morrison, Charles H.]] (c. 1820–1876)
* [[Author:Anson Daniel Morse|Morse, Anson D.]] (1846–1916)
* [[Author:Edward Sylvester Morse|Morse, Edward Sylvester]] (1838–1925)
* [[Author:Thomas Daniel Cox Morse|Morse, Thomas Daniel Cox]] (c. 1825–1895)
* [[Author:Edmund Doidge Anderson Morshead|Morshead, E. D. A.]] (c. 1849–1912)
* [[Author:Eirene Mort|Mort, Eirene]] (1879–1977)
* [[Author:Agnes Hannah Morton|Morton, Agnes Hannah]] (1848–1918)
* [[Author:Francis Morton|Morton, Francis]] (''fl''. 1860s)
* [[Author:John Maddison Morton|Morton, John Maddison]] (1811–1891)
* [[Author:Richard Morton|Morton, Richard]] (d. 1921)
* [[Author:William Blair Morton|Morton, William Blair]] (1868–1949)
* [[Author:Gaetano Mosca|Mosca, Gaetano]] (1858–1941)
* [[Author:Manuel Moschopoulos|Moschopoulos, Manuel]] (''fl.'' end 13th–beginning 14th century)
* '''[[Author:Moses|Moses]]'''
* [[Author:Alfred Joseph Moses|Moses, Alfred J.]](1859–1920)
* [[Author:Montrose Jonas Moses|Moses, Montrose Jonas]] (1878–1934)
* [[Author:Raphael Jacob Moses|Moses, Raphael Jacob]] (1812–1893)
* [[Author:Yehuda ben Moshe ha-Kohen|ben Moshe ha-Kohen, Yehuda]] (''fl.'' 13th century)
* [[Author:Oswald Mosley|Mosley, Oswald]] (1896–1980)
* [[Author:Charles Edward Moss|Moss, Charles Edward]] (1870–1930)
* [[Author:Giles Moss|Moss, Giles]] (1978–present)
* [[Author:Lemuel Moss|Moss, Lemuel]] (1829—1904)
* [[Author:Ottaviano-Fabrizio Mossotti|Mossotti, Ottaviano-Fabrizio]] (1791–1863)
* [[Author:Libuše Moták|Moták, Libuše]] (1878–1960)
* [[Author:Aziz Motazedi|Motazedi, Aziz]] (1950–present)
* [[Author:William Motherwell|Motherwell, William]] (1897–1934)
* [[Author:Leonard Augustine George Bernard Motler|Motler, Leonard Augustine George Bernard]] (1888–1967)
* [[Author:John Lothrop Motley|Motley, John Lothrop]] (1814–1877)
* [[Author:Motoyoshi|Motoyoshi]] (890–943)
* [[Author:Frederick Walker Mott|Mott, Frederick Walker]] (1853–1926)
* [[Author:Lucretia Coffin Mott|Mott, Lucretia Coffin]] (1793–1880)
* [[Author:Andrew Motte|Motte, Andrew]] (1696–1734)
* [[Author:Benjamin Motte|Motte, Benjamin]] (1693–1738)
* [[Author:Peter Antony Motteux|Motteux, Peter Anthony]] (1663–1718)
* [[Author:James Cecil Mottram|Mottram, James Cecil]] (1880–1945)
* [[Author:Jacob Wrey Mould|Mould, Jacob Wrey]] (1825–1886)
* [[Author:Horatio Mosley Moule|Moule, Horatio Mosley (Horace)]] (1832–1873) 
* [[Author:Louise Chandler Moulton|Moulton, Louise Chandler]] (1835–1910)
* [[Author:William Mountford|Mountford, William]] (1816—1885)
* [[Author:Jane Mourek|Jane Mourek]] (1846–?)
* [[Author:Václav Emanuel Mourek|Mourek, Václav Emanuel]] (1846–1911)
* [[Author:Anna Cora Mowatt|Mowatt, Anna Cora]] (1819–1870)
* [[Author:Charles Wilfred Mowbray|Mowbray, Charles Wilfred]] (1857–1910)
* [[Author:John Robert Mowbray|Mowbray, John Robert]] (1815–1899)
* [[Author:James Moyes|Moyes, James]] (1851–1921)
* [[Author:Edward Gerald James Moyna|Moyna, Edward Gerald James]] (1881–1915)
* [[Author:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus]] (1756–1791)
* [[Author:James Bowling Mozley|Mozley, James Bowling]] (1813–1878)
* [[Author:John Rickards Mozley|Mozley, John Rickards]] (1840–1931)

==Mr==
* [[Author:Vilém Mrštík|Mrštík, Vilém]] (1863–1912)

=={{anchor|Mu}}Mu/Mü==
* [[Author:Muawiyah I|Muawiyah I, Caliph]] (602–680)
* [[Author:Alfons Marie Mucha|'''Mucha, Alfons Marie''']] (1860–1939)
* [[Author:Karl Friedrich Müchler|Müchler, Karl Friedrich]] (1763–1857)
* [[Author:Samuel Alexander Mudd|Mudd, Samuel Alexander]] (1833–1883)
* [[Author:George Percival Mudge|Mudge, George Percival]] (1870–1939)
* [[Author:Mary Mudie|Mudie, Mary]] (1848–1937)
* [[Author:Ferdinand Jacob Heinrich von Mueller|Mueller, Ferdinand Jacob Heinrich von]] (1825–1896)
* [[Author:Mary Theodosia Mug|Mug, Mary Theodosia]] (1860–1943)
* [[Author:Theodore Mügge|Mügge, Theodore]] (1806–1861)
* [[Author:Muhammad|Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allāh]] (c. 570–632)
* [[Author:William Augustus Muhlenberg|Muhlenberg, William Augustus]] (1796–1877)
* [[Author:Alexander Muir|Muir, Alexander]] (1830–1906)
* [[Author:Edwin Muir|Muir, Edwin]] (1887–1959)
* [[Author:John Muir|Muir, John]] (1838–1914)
* [[Author:Matthew Moncrieff Pattison Muir|Muir, M. M. Pattison]] (1848–1931)
* [[Author:Richard Muir|Muir, Richard]] (1862–1931)
* [[Author:Robert Muir|Muir, Robert]] (1864–1959)
* [[Author:Thomas Muir|Muir, Thomas]] (1844–1934)
* [[Author:James Muirhead (1831-1889)|Muirhead, James]] (1831–1889)
* [[Author:James Fullarton Muirhead|Muirhead, James Fullarton]] (1853–1934)
* [[Author:Lewis Andrew Muirhead|Muirhead, Lewis Andrew]] (1856–1926)
* [[Author:John Henry Muirhead|Muirhead, John Henry]] (1855–1940)
* [[Author:Dhan Gopal Mukerji|Mukerji, Dhan Gopal]] (1890–1936)
* [[Author:Josef Müldner|Müldner, Josef]] (1880–1954)
* [[Author:Rosa Mulholland|Mulholland, Rosa]] (1841–1921)
* [[Author:William Clinton Mullendore|Mullendore, William Clinton]] (1892–1983)
* [[Author:Gerrit Muller|Muller, Gerrit]] (1891–1938)
* [[Author:August Müller|Müller, August]] (1848–1892)
* [[Author:David Heinrich Müller|Müller, David Heinrich]] (1846–1912)
* [[Author:Friederich Christoph Müller|Müller, Friederich Christoph]] (1751–1808)
* [[Author:Friedrich Max Müller|Müller, Friedrich Max]] (1823–1900)
* [[Author:Johann Karl August Müller|Müller, Johann Karl August]] (1818–1899)
* [[Author:Karl Otfried Müller|Müller, Karl Otfried]] (1797–1840)
* [[Author:Michael Müller|Müller, Michael]] (1825–1899)
* [[Author:Wilhelm Müller|Müller, Wilhelm]] (1794–1827) 
* [[Author:Wilhelm Max Müller|Müller, Wilhelm Max]] (1862–1919)
* [[Author:Hans Müller-Casenov|Müller-Casenov, Hans]] (1860–1947)
* [[Author:James Bass Mullinger|Mullinger, James Bass]] (1834–1917)
* [[Author:Multatuli|Multatuli]] (1820–1887)
* [[Author:Lewis Mumford|Mumford, Lewis]] (1895–1990)
* [[Author:Thomas James Mumford|Mumford, Thomas James]] (1826–1877)
* [[Author:Arthur Joseph Munby|Munby, Arthur Joseph]] (1828–1910)
* [[Author:George Frederick Woodhouse Munby|Munby, George Frederick Woodhouse]] (1833–1911)
* [[Author:Giles Munby|Munby, Giles]] (1812–1876)
* [[Author:Hieronymus Carl Friedrich von Münchhausen|von Münchhausen, Hieronymus Carl Friedrich]] (1720–1797)
* [[Author:Anthony Munday|Munday, Anthony]] (1560–1633)
* [[Author:Joseph M. Mundil|Mundil, Joseph M.]] (1856–1945)
* [[Author:George Mundy|Mundy, George]] (?–1853)
* [[Author:Talbot Mundy|Mundy, Talbot]] (1879–1940)
* [[Author:Theodore Thornton Munger|Munger, Theodore Thornton]] (1830–1910)
* [[Author:Richard Kendall Munkittrick|Munkittrick, Richard Kendall]] (1853–1911)
* [[Author:Harold Warner Munn|Munn, Harold Warner]] (1903–1981)
* [[Author:Luke Munn|Munn, Luke]]
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==Download button vs. download sidebar==
I’m reporting this here because I think an administrator needs to fix a page. The download features in the sidebar don’t do the same thing as the “download” button which floats to the right of the title; see, ''e.g.'', [[The Wings of the Dove (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1902)|here]], where the “Download” button gets the whole book, and the download sidebar features only get a list of the books. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]]: I don't know why nobody followed up on this issue back in February. Possibly it's because it's a somewhat technical issue and we're a little short on technically-minded admins. In any case: apologies for dropping the ball on this one! Could you retest the issue you originally saw to verify it still behaves the way you observed then? I suspect there may have been intervening changes.{{pbr}}@[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: Using the Download button to download a PDF on the page [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] links above gives me a PDF with all the auxtoc pages but none of the actual chapters. Can you tell what's going on there? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Now, ''both'' options are broken. I suspect your removal of the hidden ToC is to blame. Having reverted that change, the issue is ''reversed:'' the “download” button gets only the list of books, while the sidebar gets the whole book. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*:{{re|TE(æ)A,ea.|Xover}} I would've said that the sidebar links and the button are the same links, but they're not it seems:
:*:* Button: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&amp;lang=en&amp;page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_(New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902)
:*:* Sidebar: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&amp;lang=en&amp;page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_%28New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902%29
:*:And indeed, the output differs. It's also different from the CLI tool's output with an unencoded title. I'll have a look at fixing this. [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 07:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

==[[Index:Studies in constitutional law Fr-En-US (1891).pdf]]==
The original upload of this file had many pages removed, for some reason (separate from the two missing pages, which have been added). The following pages need to be moved:
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The large swath of pages marked “Problematic” is, I believe, owing to the confused state of the pages. I’ll look over them after the move to see if they need to be changed in any respect. In addition, /31 and /32 can be deleted. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]]: {{done}} [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 05:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Thank you. For those pages, delete /158, /159, /161, /196, and /197, and move /163–/195 up two. They can then all be marked as proofread. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

== Notice of steward CU ==

Hello there, as per the local CU policy I just wanted to let you know that I performed a local check on a spambot ({{user|LawerenceCorley}}) here at enwikisource. This was the only check performed here by me, no other accounts or IPs other than the associated ones were checked. Thanks, [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I am informing you that I checked the account {{user|Dahyang8484}}, which I locked for cross-wiki abuse. No other account has been checked or showed up on the checks I performed. For transparency, I've sent detailed information to checkuser-l. Best regards, [[User:Elton|Elton]] ([[User talk:Elton|talk]]) 02:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Per above, I also wanted to note that I just performed a local check on a spambot ({{user|IsabelleTemple}}). As the account was not registered on loginwiki (due to job queue issues), the check needed to be performed here. As in the case above, no other accounts or IPs were checked. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 18:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Noting again for transparency that I performed a local check on a cross-wiki spam account ({{user|Ballala}}), since I couldn't do a check on loginwiki. No other accounts or IPs were checked except the related IP. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 11:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, there. As per the local CU policy, I just wanted to note that I checked a spambot account ({{user|Helena0792}}) locally. No other accounts or IP addresses other than the associated ones were checked. Regards, &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;[[User:RadiX|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black;&quot;&gt;R&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:0.8em; font-variant:small-caps; text-decoration:overline;&quot;&gt;adi&lt;/span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:RadiX|&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey;&quot;&gt;∞&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, as per the local policy I am noting that I checked a spambot account locally ({{user|GarfieldWinneke}}), similarly to the checks noted above. --[[User:KonstantinaG07|KonstantinaG07]] ([[User talk:KonstantinaG07|talk]]) 14:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Crossposting [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;oldid=14603512#Page_access_request my edit request] from last week on Scriptorium here since only an admin could grant it and haven't gotten any response over there. Apologies if this is seen as being too pushy, I just haven't gotten any sort of reply yet and figured this might be an acceptable next step for being seen/getting a response.

My request is the following: I've been addressing specific [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors priority syntax errors] here on Wikisource, and have dropped two error types down to near zero. The [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Lint_errors/tidy-font-bug Tidy Font Bug] (78 remain), and Misnested tags (42 remain). 77 and 41 of these are on Full protected pages, and I wondered if I could have access to [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug these Tidy font] and [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag these misnested] pages for a brief time to address these issues. I have 2 years of experience on Wikipedia with handling these (and other) tracked syntax errors in an respectful and knowledgeable manner, and currently have a temporary adminship (Sept-Dec) on Wikivoyage, where I addressed 99.99% of their 30k syntax errors in 5k edits (Aug-Sept). I am happy to discuss or answer any questions admin may have. Thanks, and hope you have a great day. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 05:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|Zinnober9}} Such rights can be granted only by bureaucrats, i. e. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] or [[User:BD2412|BD2412]]. If you need temporary admin rights, I suspect that a formal request at [[Wikisource:Administrators#Nominations for adminship]] will be needed. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:: {{re|Zinnober9}} It's a relatively small number of edits. I can make them. Is it just a matter of, for example, changing:
::: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::: to
::: &lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|&lt;font style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;Zhaladshar&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|&lt;font style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;(Talk)&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:: throughout the page? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] The ones triggering the counts on [[Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug]] are mostly? all? Spangineer's signature, with recommended change:
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;brown&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Spangineer|(háblame)]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::to
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User talk:Spangineer|&lt;span style=&quot;color:brown&quot;&gt;(háblame)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::{{pbr}}Zhaladshar's signature is an oddity in that it is written in a Tidy font way (color stated outside the link), but for some odd reason isn't reporting as a Tidy font (it should be, but it's only reporting as obsolete tags used). I would still fully recommend adjusting Zhaladshar's signature however. Your suggested change would clear the Tidy font aspect of it, but I would swap it to this instead: 
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;Zhaladshar&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;(Talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::to fix both the unreported Tidy font issues and the reported obsoletes in one go.
:::{{pbr}}For the two pages with multiple misnested errors, [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] and [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
:::If you'd change &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt;  to  &lt;nowiki&gt;'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; that'll clear all those up. It's with the 
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''[[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week|Collaboration of the Week]]:'' [[Author:XXXXXX]]&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt; posts, and there's an extra italics, and the remaining bold is misnested with the sup closer. There isn't anything else on those two pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt;, so that's a safe X to Y find and replace.
:::{{pbr}}I'm happy for you to take care of those Tidy fonts and misnested errors for me, I'm also happy to go through a temporary admin nomination process here since I've done that before on Wikivoyage, and there will be some other full protected pages of interest later on as I get the Obsoletes reduced (I'm seeing 725 obsolete errors on 75 full protected pages at this moment with 2500 unprotected that I can handle now). Your call, I'm the guest here. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 18:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: I will give it a shot now. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: So, how can I tell whether that has worked? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] Looks great, thank you so much! You can tell by the Page information (link in the tools section of the sidebar) it tells what Lint errors remain (if any) on a specific page in the Lint section towards the bottom. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006-03&amp;action=info this has a few] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-09&amp;action=info this] has no tracked Lint issues (of any type) remaining. In this case though, where the error type is almost eliminated from the site, it's easier to look at the list of just that one error type in particular: [[Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug]]. Got two pages remaining for you and that'll finish these off*.
:::::For the single Tidy Font on [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] change &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#9966FF&quot;&gt;[[User:BirgitteSB|Birgitte]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#CC99CC&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;SB&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::to
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:BirgitteSB|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966FF&quot;&gt;Birgitte&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC; font-size:small&quot;&gt;SB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::{{pbr}}and for the four on [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-03]], change
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Adrian|A]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#646060&quot;&gt;drian&lt;/font&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;[[User_Talk:Adrian|L]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#646060&quot;&gt;amo &lt;/font&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#F660AB&quot;&gt;·· &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; 
:::::to
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;b&gt;[[User:Adrian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#646060&quot;&gt;drian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt; [[User_Talk:Adrian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;L&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#646060&quot;&gt;amo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F660AB&quot;&gt;·· &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::{{pbr}}*The other single Tidy font case (Spangineer's signature) on LlywelynII's (unprotected) talk page is a different story. I've been reverted once and the user has refused and reverted my attempt to discuss it despite clear explanation of what and why I had adjusted Spangineer's signature and the Obsolete tags in their own signature, so I've felt I'm not in a position to push it. My hope has been that another user or an admin might have better luck from the social perspective of fixing that Tidy Font. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::There's also the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint LintHint tool] you can use that reads that Lint info, and allows for checking a full page before publishing an edit. It gets added to your Common.js page and is a major tool I use in checking behind myself in editing. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Are there more protected pages that have errors to fix? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, but I'm only interested in three pages at this moment. I'm going wait and assess what remains in the Obsoletes after the unprotected pages are depleted. My hope is that those full-protected pages with Obsolete tags will have only 4 or 5 repeating signatures and won't take much effort.
::::::::The three pages I'm interested in right now are the following. I made the full page changes in my sandbox for our convenience, so you can take the newer version of each sandbox diff and paste it to the original page for a full page or sectional replacement.
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636286&amp;oldid=14636236 diff Dmitrismirnov] for the changes on [[User:Dmitrismirnov]] (table tags, unclosed/stripped tags)
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636383&amp;oldid=14636375 diff Archive] for the remaining errors on [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] (fostered table errors, obsolete/unclosed/misnested tags) and
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636440&amp;oldid=14636438 diff Henry James] for section [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007#Author:Henry James]] (stripped s tags).
::::::::No rush, whenever it is convenient. Thank you so much! [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Yes.. See Special:LintErrors by going through each namespace in turn. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

====Adjacent discussion====
{{ping|BD2412}} A susbstantial proportion of the non Page namespace Missing tags are the use of P tags to put paragraph breaks in talk page comments. Converting these over to {{tl|pbr}} would make a substantial impact. Other missing tags are possibly more complex to fix.  In terms of Page namespace the vast majority of LintErrors are resulting from unpaired format.  There are some Lint's on Mainspace, but those might be tricky to fix reliably. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'd like to keep that separate from this discussion, if you don't mind too terribly, since the errors I've asked about are a much smaller, more manageable set at this moment. And also since you are already discussing the P tags a few sections [[Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Admin_consent_required_for_planned_edits.. |above]], I don't wish to duplicate conversations if that's ok.  [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 23:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:Did you mean {{tl|pbr}}? I'm not sure how adding vertical spacing fits this issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

==== Additional (Protected) Pages Non exhaustive (use S as each item resolved.) ====
*[[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006-09]]  - Missing tag in Heading (unclosed SPAN) 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] - Misnested code tags, and possibly a need to check table end tags?
*[[User:Dmitrismirnov]]  Fostered content, and missing table field markers?
*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] - Misnested tags (S used over multi-block content)
*[[Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06]] - Stay or unpaired DIV closing tag
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006]]  - Stray or upaired list tags?

Missing tags ((Most likely I,B or P)

*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-05]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-07]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-01]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-08]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07]] 

Obselete (typically FONT) 

*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2005-12]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2016]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2017]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-02]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-04]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-06]] 
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-07]] 
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-04]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-10]]

==Index merge request==
I’m putting this request here so that administrators can deal with the Page: moves. [[Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf]] has recently been created, which contains the entire issue of the periodical from which [[Index:The Eye of Argon.djvu]] has been excerpted. Could someone please move the pages from the .djvu to the .pdf, please? Thank you. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
:Maybe {{ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}}? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm happy to do this move, but I notice that [[Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf]] is missing pages 49 and 50. Maybe take this to the scan lab first? —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 05:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Or maybe at least put two blind pages if the right pages are temporarily not to find anywhere... [[User:Draco flavus|Draco flavus]] ([[User talk:Draco flavus|talk]]) 16:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

==Some registration problems mentioned in Scriptorium==
Does anybody have any idea what the problem could be with some new accounts' registration, as asked at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#IP_Block_Exemption]]? The IP does not seem to be blocked either locally or globally. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

== V22 Discussions ==

Hi admins, just checking if it would be ok to start three separate discussions at the Scriptorium to try to get consensus on the best way for Vector 22 to handle a few specifics, to keep the discussions with the WMF web staff going and get their support implementing the outcomes. The main things seem to be:
* {{tl|overfloat image}} (currently breaks when Standard and Large text sizes are selected)
* Text size options in appearance menu (what should the default be, etc.)
* Dark mode
I don't want to rush in if this isn't the best way to go about this. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

== Paragraph spacing ==

As there was no opposition in the discussion now archived in [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing]], may I ask somebody more skilled in this to make the proposed change? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:48, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:Could e.g. {{ping|Alien333}} make it? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 16:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::(I'm a bit busy IRL right now, so I don't have the time to properly get to it. next week probably) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: I have done everything I can last week, and started discussion at [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css]]. Xover (only active intadmin) is having doubts about this specific solution, and he's only available on-and-off, so the discussion is taking a while, that's all. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh, I have not noticed that. I am still seeing that the spacing is much larger than it used to be, while I understood from the previous conversation that it will be possible to override. And what is really disappoiting is that in fact this solution [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20241125224400-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20241106154600 was promised] by the WMF people [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]] and [[User: SGrabarczuk (WMF)| SGrabarczuk]] to work, which apparently was not true. Their previous contributions seemed to have been written only to calm us, but this time I really did believe them... --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: It has '''not''' been deployed, and it '''would''' work. Xover (who, as the only active intadmin, is the only one able to edit that page) is just reluctant at adding stuff to Site.css. I've been trying to convince him that we don't have an alternative. Right now, we just have to wait for Xover to agree. I've nudged him again at his talk. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

==Index page errors==
Most index pages that I see throw the error
:&lt;code&gt;Lua error in Module:Proofreadpage_index_template at line 516: data for mw.loadData contains unsupported data type 'function'.&lt;/code&gt;
Could someone please fix this? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 23:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}}—reverted the edit for now. [[Index:National Ballad and Song (1897), vol. 5.djvu]] is a random sample index that was broken, and it's fixed now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
::The cause of the error has been fixed, but the effect of the error and the error message will continue to pop up all over the site until the reversion propagates.  I am still seeing the error on Index pages, and so are other people.  If the reversion is not self-propagating, then we may need to run a bot to do a &quot;touch edit&quot; or &quot;null edit&quot; on every Index page site-wide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I have needed to at least purge all Index pages affected by this issue. Any Index that is still affected by this won't show up in some querying tools, such as DynamicPageList. Some type of site-wide purge of the Index namespace would certainly be useful (at least for me, so I don't have to manually purge every Index in my scope to get my tracking tools to work again). @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:09, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See [[WS:S#Index lua issue]], where this possibility is under discussion. First we'd need a good way to select all pages that have the issue. If we purge the whole index namespace, even at one edit a second (we've got 16k indexes; if we did one edit a minute, it would take us 11 days. And one edit a minute, every minute, for eleven days, would probably still be much too much server load.
::::If you have an idea how we could programatically find all affected pages without too many false positives, you're welcome to present it at the WS:S discussion. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:34, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
::The revert that mattered was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Proofreadpage_index_template/config&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14927312 this one] and not [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Proofreadpage_index_template&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14928457 this one]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Is this also the reason that the transclusion check tool is not currently functioning?  I ran a check on [[Index:Dark Hester.djvu]], and all of the grey (Not text) pages were highlighted in red, which is ''supposed'' to mean that they were included when they shouldn't be, but when I checked linkages for individual no-text pages, in fact they have ''not'' been transcluded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::That's due to {{tl|index progress bar}} (here used on the main page because it's the POTM). The way it works is counted by mediawiki as transcluding the pages. Hence, all pages of that index (whether or not they have actually been transcluded) show up as transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::So the index progress bar also has a reversion that needs to be made?  Because something changed the function of the transclusion check in the past week. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, {{tl|index progress bar}} has done this for a long while, and for POTMs all pages have appeared as transcluded for a long while too. (Besides, if you're not convinced, check the relevant pages: none of [[MediaWiki:Gadget-transclusion-check.js]], {{tl|Collaboration/POTM}}, {{tl|index progress bar}} or [[Module:Index progress]] have been edited in the last year.)— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I have run checks as recently as last week where this behavior did ''not'' happen.  Something ''has'' changed the behavior of our transclusion check tool. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:58, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::That work you checked last week probably was not given as parameter to a {{tl|index progress bar}}. For example, if you go to [[Index:Anna Karenina.djvu]], it doesn't have that issue because no page contains {{tlx|index progress bar|Anna Karenina.djvu}}. If that check was on ''Dark Hester'', the difference may be caused by the fact that it was not POTM until the 7th (5 days ago). If it was on ''A Room of One's Own'', it may have been caused by the fact that since the 7th (5 days ago) it is not the POTM work anymore, and so it isn't in a {{tl|index progress bar}}. (And this isn't new, again; I remember coming across the &quot;considers everything transcluded&quot; as far back as last year, for [[The Tower (Yeats)]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:08, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you saying that the index progress bar affects the function of the transclusion check button found on the Index page? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, as I said above, that template's using PRP's lua API to get the number of proofread or validated or &amp;c pages, is counted by MediaWiki as a transclusion. So, when the gadget asks mw.Api() for the [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=help&amp;modules=query%2Btranscludedin transcludedin] property of the pages (filtering to keep only results in Main or Translation namespaces), it returns the pages that has the progress bar, and so as far as the script is concerned that page is transcluded. e.g. if you go to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Page:Dark_Hester.djvu/83]], it says that it's transcluded by the Main Page, Main Page/sandbox2 and Main Page/sandbox.
::::::::::I suppose we could implement a fix that would work in most cases, by editing the script so that it discards transclusions on pages starting by &quot;Main Page&quot;. As that is about the only places where {{tl|index progress bar}} will be used in the main namespace, it should get rid of most issues. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::None of that has explained why the behavior of the transclusion check button has changed since a week ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::What I'm trying to telling you that it has not changed. For at least a year, all works that had an {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace have had this issue. I distinctly remember it happening for last April's POTM. 
::::::::::::The behaviour only changes depending on whether the index has been given as an argument to an {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace.
::::::::::::That work you checked a week ago surely at the exact time didn't have a {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::(Comment: a consequence of this is that for indexes that still appear broken, ProofreadPage when loading the mainspace page and the Page:s fails to find the index.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Has anyone seen this recently, or are we done? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

== User:Eievie unilateral style changes ==

{{User|Eievie}} has made unilateral style changes to works without discussion.  Not only to a project I have been working on for eight years, but also to the current Featured Text (which is part of a series, with an established series style).  The latter occurred just after [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eievie&amp;diff=15087436&amp;oldid=15086231 I issued a reminder] that this behavior was not acceptable.

I see several other editors have come to this User's Talk page with the same concern, including two other administrators. This user has always responded with arguments without ever acknowledging the problem.  I have therefore blocked this user for three days. In the past this has been considered bad form and unacceptable, so I am asking other administrators to explain the problems with this attitude and approach.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

== User:Pigsonthewing reverts while failing to discuss  ==

{{User|Pigsonthewing}} made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15091860 this request] for another user to edit [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] to include information about uploading files. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091860 responded] to the request [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AScriptorium&amp;diff=15091910&amp;oldid=15091896 twice], pointing out that this was not a copyright issue, but a file hosting issue. I received several replies [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091877 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15092046&amp;oldid=15091902 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091910 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092039 here]; and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092043 here], in which the third replay was &quot;No, I am not&quot; and the fourth was simply &quot;No&quot;.  I therefore [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092048 asked for clarification].

I the meantime, while this discussion was happening, User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15092046&amp;oldid=15091902 altered the page under discussion] despite my objections.  I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092046 reverted]; User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092047 immediately reverted again].

I therefore [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AScriptorium&amp;diff=15092064&amp;oldid=15092049 started a discussion] on the topic.

I received no response at all from User:Pigsonthewing for my request for clarification, and no response from User:Pigsonthewing concerning the discussion topic either.

After waiting five days with no response, I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15101814 restored the original wording], which User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15101814 immediately reverted].  I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15101841&amp;oldid=15101840 restored the wording] with a request to participate in the discussion. I was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15101841 reverted again] with the edit summary &quot;''NOone supports youo- objection''.&quot;

Given that User:Pigsonthewing is (1) is insisting on the change despite an objection, and (2) refusing to participate in clarification or discussion, I ask that the original wording be restored.

User:Pigsonthewing ought to know better how to participate in a discussion and respond to objections. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:EP claims to have &quot;started a discussion&quot;; all he really did was restate his objection. Not one single editor agreed with him, yet he took that lack of agreement as a green light to continue reverting. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::I note that no one supported your position, yet you took that as a &quot;green light to continue reverting&quot;.  I made an effort to discuss.  I opened a discussion and also requested clarification, then I waited for five days, yet in those five days you failed to respond either to the discussion or my direct request for clarification of your position.  This demonstrates a lack of willingness to discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:So let me get this straight ... Pigsonthewing requests that someone add clarification to a help page, EP thinks it's unnecessary, so when Pigs makes the change EP reverts it? EP does this look like a policy page to you or something? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::It looks as though you're responding solely to edit history, and not the change itself.  The requested clarification is on the subsequent Help page.  The page being altered is about copyright law, not about where to save files.  The added text makes a difficult paragraph (so stated on the page itself) even harder for a beginner to read by inter-mixing two different issues into the same paragraph.  It does not actually clarify the subject of the paragraph, but makes it harder for a beginner to understand.  Surely the point of a Beginner's Guide is to make things simple for a beginner?  That is: How does adding comments about where to save files clarify international copyright law? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:Not having any opinion on the original subject of the dispute, I will react only to the technical side of the matter: It is always the change that needs to be confirmed by consensus, otherwise the previous status quo has to be kept. So if there is a change suggested, and somebody disagrees, discussion is needed. If the outcome of the discussion is clear support of the change, either because the opposing party was convinced and changed their opinion or because they were outvoted, the change can take place. Otherwise it cannot. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Spam blocklist spontaneously started blocking an edit ==

Similar to [[Special:PermanentLink/12154545#.space_blocked_by_the_spam_filter?]], I was editing [[Page:130 Days of Elon Musk.pdf/9]] and even tho it ''already'' has a URI that is &quot;www.space.com&quot; in it, just out of nowhere, a new edit to the page evidently got blocked for having &quot;.space&quot; in it, even tho that is not the TLD. The filter needs to be fixed or removed. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: The behaviour regarding whether the link was already there is not controllable, that's just how [[mw:Extension:SpamBlacklist]] works.
: Given there are already many specific filters in .space in the global blacklist that hopefully catch all the bad uses of .space, I have tentatively removed it. If new vandalism/spam occurs with others .space links, we can readd a more specific rule. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::I can see you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:130_Days_of_Elon_Musk.pdf/9&amp;diff=0&amp;oldid=15114755 this test edit]. As you may have noticed, I changed &quot;www.space.com&quot; to &quot;space.com&quot; in order to remove &quot;.space&quot;. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yeah, hadn't seen that. (Because you said &quot;filter&quot; I went on a tangent looking at abusefilter logs and that sort of stuff and being confused I didn't find anything that matched. Hence the test edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:35, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Dang. I hate wasting others' time. Sorry, A. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:24, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== Permission error ==

I am trying to create the page [[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)/The parting of Hector with his Princess Androma­che, and only Son Astyanax]] but I keep getting a permission error with the blacklist rule that blocked it being (.*\x{00AD}.* &lt;casesensitive|errmsg=titleblacklist-invisible-characters-edit&gt; # Soft-hyphen. I have created multiple pages in this work (''[[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)]]'') without any problems, but the system has taken umbrage with this one. I have tried the suggested remedies, without success. It looks like the objection is to do with a soft hyphen, but the hyphen is the same one in all the other pages. Any assistance would be appreciated. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:11, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: Go to [[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)/The parting of Hector with his Princess Andromache, and only Son Astyanax]] instead. The issue with soft hyphens is they're invisible; in this instance, I supposed you followed a link made from OCR; there was a soft hyphen in between {{tqi|Androma}} and {{tqi|che}}. It's precisely because those chars are invisible that they're forbidden; can create a log of confusion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I had tried editing the title in Notepad, which I thought was a no-nonsense basic text editor but clearly I was mistaken. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You can see invisible characters in the URL, because it's encoded; e.g. here it was &lt;code&gt;The_Temple_of_Death,_Art_of_Poetry,_Duel_of_the_Stags,_etc_-_Sheffield_et._al._(1695)/The_parting_of_Hector_with_his_Princess_Androma%C2%ADche,_and_only_Son_Astyanax&lt;/code&gt;. Note the &lt;code&gt;%C2%AD&lt;/code&gt; in the middle of the word.
::: Another way to see it is to activate CodeMirror in an edit box onwiki: it shows a red dot for invisible characters. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I just noticed I can see them in my clipboard manager too. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== Bot flag for [[User:333Bot|333Bot]] ==

To [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]/[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] (as the crats) Both tasks have been running for one or two weeks (low edit volume is normal, as long as no one adds stuff sourced to webpages and no one makes untagged nominations, won't edit); so requesting the flag per [[WS:BOT]].

(I've also just launched a weekly maintenance report in its own userspace; I'm considering that this doesn't need one more approval given it's only in its user space, but if someone feels like it does warrant one, then I will.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{re|Alien333}} {{done}}. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format ==

I have blocked {{User|Koavf}} for deliberately breaking the formatting of page content.  They made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AHe_who_gets_Slapped_%281949%29.djvu%2F7&amp;diff=15122607&amp;oldid=15122551 this edit] which resulted in a display that did not match the original, so I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122607 reverted] with an edit summary explaining: ''those changes do not display correctly''.

Rather than discuss, or ask about the problems, they immediately [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122657 restored] the broken display, stating that the display was fine on their end, ignoring the fact the problems had been found in the edit.

Since this was a deliberate switch to a page which did not display correctly, I consider the edit to be vandalism, and for this have placed a three day block. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
*[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I believe this is well enough, and indicative of a ''long'' pattern of misconduct. You have once again banned established editors for petty disputes over page formatting. I call for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]] in your administrator powers. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:No one has been banned.  A person has been blocked for a short span of time. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: My read on the situation: I personally agree with the principle of using {{tl|uc}} for these when possible as Koavf is correct that it is semantically more valid, but the wikicode attempted unfortunately wasn't working on other setups. It works on mine though. (I'm curious to know what browser and machine EP was using to view it—this could indicate a problem with the template itself. I could do some testing on this.) But Koavf ''was'' edit-warring with an admin here, rather than defaulting to a public discussion to resolve a dispute, and that's a pretty well-known breach of general wiki etiquette—something that Koavf should definitely be aware of, given [[w:Koavf|his extensive and ''famous'' history in the WMF community]]. So, I think it's fair to say Koavf is in the wrong in his engagement in edit-warring. But it happens—we get angry sometimes—so EP having set a mere 3 days to chill out, rather than an outright permanent or long-term block, seems reasonable enough to me. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::Upper case was not the issue; I left that template in place on a couple of other pages from the same work.  Please see my comments to Koavf on their talk page.  The problems came from the replacement of a table with a running header constrained by an enclosing div tag while using &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a vertical dividing line within the template's central field. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: careful with how you use the word {{tqi|vandalism}}: that word has one meaning, acts that intentionally aim to hinder the project as a whole from reaching its objectives. What happened here was perhaps edit warring, but it certainly wasn't vandalism. Koavf was trying to fix a display issue they saw on their side. Compatibility issues are especially hard to solve; I see no evidence of {{tqi|deliberately breaking page format}}. The issue here at hand is behaviour rather than content, so I will not comment on the merits of these specific edits, further than noting that none were vandalism.
: Furthermore, rollback should only be used for vandalism. Since it does not give any explanations of the revert, it should only be used for edits that are clearly in bad faith. Which these as I said above weren't. More concerning, you have already been reproached misuse of rollback at least once at [[WS:AN]]. So '''my first question is to you: 1) can you commit to in the future refraining from rollbacking non-vandalism, for which you have already been admonished?'''
: On the merits of the block: a 3-day cooling-off block for edit warring with {{tqi|pay attention}} in the summaries, is not completely out of bounds. However, on this occasion as in others, it seems to me you are a bit trigger-happy with the block button.
:# You have here blocked Koavf for 2 (two) reverts. Reverting twice should not be done, but I'm not sure it warrants a block (or one of three days; [[WS:BP]] says one for EW except for egregious cases). 
:# No one can edit-war alone. You too were edit-warring with them. As far as I can see, you bear as much blame as them in this case: both of you did not engage in discussion and instead re-reverted. There was about as much justification to block yourself as him. (@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: it was not only an editor edit-warring with an administrator, it was also an administrator edit-warring with a user, which is worse given administrators are held to higher standards.)
:# No admin should ever block a non-vandal they are in personal conflict with. Never, and especially not if that conflict is an ongoing edit war. In doing so an admin is about certain to be influenced by their own grievances. So '''my second question is to you: 2) can you commit to in the future refraining from blocking non-vandals you are in personal conflict with, and instead to bring the issue first to the community?'''
: I would like to remind both of you (@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] this is for you too) that reverting is not a substitute for discussion. If at some point you find yourself making your second identical revert on the same page in a few minutes, ''just don't''. There is zero point edit-warring. The way of collaboration isn't re-reverting; it's stepping back, and asking for wider opinions on the issue at hand ([[WS:S]] being the forum for that). Neither of you tried to engage in discussion on this issue.
: If the answer to either of my bolded questions is not &quot;yes&quot;, or if EP makes and then breaks one of these commitments, then I think they are not capable of wielding the tools responsibly and I would support a vote of confidence. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:43, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::I used the word &quot;vandalism&quot; as defined in our own [[WS:Blocking policy]] is: &quot;deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the library.&quot; When someone is informed that a change isn't working properly, and their immediate response is to put the problematic edit back, with an edit summary indicating that they know about the problem, that is deliberate.  Where are you finding the definition you've used?  WS:BP recommends one day for first-time offenses, but Koavf has been previously blocked.  I followed the recommended steps as outlined in our blocking policy, including that I posted here because I felt the block would be controversial. Which part of the blocking policy did I not adhere to?
::With regard to your second question, you can see on the Scriptorium examples where I have brought disputes to the community.  In [[WS:Scriptorium#Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue]], I asked for community feedback.  When no member of the community responded in the Scriptorium, I proceeded with a thread here: [[#User:Pigsonthewing reverts while failing to discuss]], requesting admin comment.  When the edits are not vandalism, I have brought the issue to the community.
::With regard to your first question, I used &quot;undo&quot;.  I see that one of my edits registers as rollback, which I attribute to a misclick.  The two options display right above each other in the page change comparison window, and there is no verification request if I accidentally select rollback when undo was intended. It was not my intention to use rollback here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::: On &quot;deliberate&quot;: Koavf deliberately reinstated these edits, yes. What you have not shown is a &quot;deliberate attempt ''to reduce the quality of the library''&quot; (emphasis mine). Browser/OS/&amp;c compatibility issues mean that it's perfectly plausible for one version to work for you but not him, and for another version to work for him but not you. You have not shown any evidence of intentionally making edits to reduce the quality of WS.
::: Thank you for the precision on rollback.
::: I have asked you two questions, though, and would appreciate direct answers (as opposed to general discussion of the topic):
:::* Do you commit to not using rollback for possibly controversial reverts? (nb - intentionally, that is. Although it apparently wasn't in this specific case, I'd still like the precision in general)
:::* Do you commit to not blocking an editor you are in conflict with?
::: Thanks. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For the first question, yes.  For the second, that is too broad for me to agree to as worded. If the editor is in conflict with me ''and others'', then I do not believe the restriction should necessarily apply. There are multiple reasons listed at [[WS:Blocking policy]], and I do not believe it would be in the best interests of the community if I agreed not to block someone who has repeatedly violated copyright, repeatedly violated policy, or made personal attacks, simply because they have yelled at me. There have been periods of time where I was the only admin active here for several hours, and even posts to this page can sit for a full day before the first admin responds. If you believe that some form of your request should be added to the blocking policy, then that should be discussed with the community; it is not currently there. For the issue of whether Koavf's reversion was vandalism, it sounds as though we are arguing the definition of policy and disagree on that point, but I did verify the definition of vandalism before preceding with the block and post here. I rarely describe edits as vandalism aside from new accounts and IPs who arrive and immediately begin destructive editing. I do take that issue seriously. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::I am using the exact definition of policy that you used. You have not explained how reinstating an edit that looks fine to the person making it is a &quot;deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the library&quot;.
:::::My question on blocks may be a bit broad. Here is a more specific one:
:::::* Do you commit to not blocking a regular WS editor you are edit warring with?
:::::Also, a more open-ended question:
:::::* Why do you think, precisely, you are less to blame than Koavf? Both of you have edit-warred, reverting without engaging in discussion, both because what you saw in your browser appeared to contradict what the other saw. If he deserved a block, why did you not?
::::: — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The policy section your are using concerns article editing conflicts, such as content disputes, not vandalism. Vandalism is a separate concern.  Per your original post: &quot;No admin should ever block a non-vandal they are in personal conflict . . .&quot;, so the disagreement between us is over whether this is vandalism. Vandalism is reason for blocking, but reverting to previous state to correct a problem is not vandalism. And to quote precedent from an earlier discussion above: &quot;It is always the change that needs to be confirmed by consensus, otherwise the previous status quo has to be kept.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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==Download button vs. download sidebar==
I’m reporting this here because I think an administrator needs to fix a page. The download features in the sidebar don’t do the same thing as the “download” button which floats to the right of the title; see, ''e.g.'', [[The Wings of the Dove (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1902)|here]], where the “Download” button gets the whole book, and the download sidebar features only get a list of the books. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 20:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]]: I don't know why nobody followed up on this issue back in February. Possibly it's because it's a somewhat technical issue and we're a little short on technically-minded admins. In any case: apologies for dropping the ball on this one! Could you retest the issue you originally saw to verify it still behaves the way you observed then? I suspect there may have been intervening changes.{{pbr}}@[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: Using the Download button to download a PDF on the page [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] links above gives me a PDF with all the auxtoc pages but none of the actual chapters. Can you tell what's going on there? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Now, ''both'' options are broken. I suspect your removal of the hidden ToC is to blame. Having reverted that change, the issue is ''reversed:'' the “download” button gets only the list of books, while the sidebar gets the whole book. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*:{{re|TE(æ)A,ea.|Xover}} I would've said that the sidebar links and the button are the same links, but they're not it seems:
:*:* Button: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&amp;lang=en&amp;page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_(New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902)
:*:* Sidebar: https://ws-export.wmcloud.org/?format=epub&amp;lang=en&amp;page=The_Wings_of_the_Dove_%28New_York%3A_Charles_Scribner%27s_Sons%2C_1902%29
:*:And indeed, the output differs. It's also different from the CLI tool's output with an unencoded title. I'll have a look at fixing this. [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 07:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

==[[Index:Studies in constitutional law Fr-En-US (1891).pdf]]==
The original upload of this file had many pages removed, for some reason (separate from the two missing pages, which have been added). The following pages need to be moved:
*/2–/12 up 5
*/13–/15 up 6
*/16 up 7
*/17–/65 up 8
*/66 up 9
*/67–/149 up 10
*/150 up 11
*/151–/185 up 12
*/186 up 13
*/187–/192 up 14
*/193 up 19
The large swath of pages marked “Problematic” is, I believe, owing to the confused state of the pages. I’ll look over them after the move to see if they need to be changed in any respect. In addition, /31 and /32 can be deleted. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]]: {{done}} [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 05:49, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:*[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Thank you. For those pages, delete /158, /159, /161, /196, and /197, and move /163–/195 up two. They can then all be marked as proofread. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

== Notice of steward CU ==

Hello there, as per the local CU policy I just wanted to let you know that I performed a local check on a spambot ({{user|LawerenceCorley}}) here at enwikisource. This was the only check performed here by me, no other accounts or IPs other than the associated ones were checked. Thanks, [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 20:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I am informing you that I checked the account {{user|Dahyang8484}}, which I locked for cross-wiki abuse. No other account has been checked or showed up on the checks I performed. For transparency, I've sent detailed information to checkuser-l. Best regards, [[User:Elton|Elton]] ([[User talk:Elton|talk]]) 02:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Per above, I also wanted to note that I just performed a local check on a spambot ({{user|IsabelleTemple}}). As the account was not registered on loginwiki (due to job queue issues), the check needed to be performed here. As in the case above, no other accounts or IPs were checked. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 18:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Noting again for transparency that I performed a local check on a cross-wiki spam account ({{user|Ballala}}), since I couldn't do a check on loginwiki. No other accounts or IPs were checked except the related IP. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 11:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, there. As per the local CU policy, I just wanted to note that I checked a spambot account ({{user|Helena0792}}) locally. No other accounts or IP addresses other than the associated ones were checked. Regards, &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold;&quot;&gt;[[User:RadiX|&lt;span style=&quot;color:black;&quot;&gt;R&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:0.8em; font-variant:small-caps; text-decoration:overline;&quot;&gt;adi&lt;/span&gt;X&lt;/span&gt;]][[User talk:RadiX|&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey;&quot;&gt;∞&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/span&gt; 04:32, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, as per the local policy I am noting that I checked a spambot account locally ({{user|GarfieldWinneke}}), similarly to the checks noted above. --[[User:KonstantinaG07|KonstantinaG07]] ([[User talk:KonstantinaG07|talk]]) 14:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Crossposting [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;oldid=14603512#Page_access_request my edit request] from last week on Scriptorium here since only an admin could grant it and haven't gotten any response over there. Apologies if this is seen as being too pushy, I just haven't gotten any sort of reply yet and figured this might be an acceptable next step for being seen/getting a response.

My request is the following: I've been addressing specific [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors priority syntax errors] here on Wikisource, and have dropped two error types down to near zero. The [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Lint_errors/tidy-font-bug Tidy Font Bug] (78 remain), and Misnested tags (42 remain). 77 and 41 of these are on Full protected pages, and I wondered if I could have access to [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug these Tidy font] and [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/misnested-tag these misnested] pages for a brief time to address these issues. I have 2 years of experience on Wikipedia with handling these (and other) tracked syntax errors in an respectful and knowledgeable manner, and currently have a temporary adminship (Sept-Dec) on Wikivoyage, where I addressed 99.99% of their 30k syntax errors in 5k edits (Aug-Sept). I am happy to discuss or answer any questions admin may have. Thanks, and hope you have a great day. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 05:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{Re|Zinnober9}} Such rights can be granted only by bureaucrats, i. e. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] or [[User:BD2412|BD2412]]. If you need temporary admin rights, I suspect that a formal request at [[Wikisource:Administrators#Nominations for adminship]] will be needed. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:: {{re|Zinnober9}} It's a relatively small number of edits. I can make them. Is it just a matter of, for example, changing:
::: &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|Zhaladshar]]&lt;/font&gt; &lt;sup&gt;&lt;font style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|(Talk)]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
::: to
::: &lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|&lt;font style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;Zhaladshar&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|&lt;font style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;(Talk)&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:: throughout the page? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 14:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] The ones triggering the counts on [[Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug]] are mostly? all? Spangineer's signature, with recommended change:
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;brown&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Spangineer|(háblame)]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::to
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User talk:Spangineer|&lt;span style=&quot;color:brown&quot;&gt;(háblame)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:::{{pbr}}Zhaladshar's signature is an oddity in that it is written in a Tidy font way (color stated outside the link), but for some odd reason isn't reporting as a Tidy font (it should be, but it's only reporting as obsolete tags used). I would still fully recommend adjusting Zhaladshar's signature however. Your suggested change would clear the Tidy font aspect of it, but I would swap it to this instead: 
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #000000; text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold&quot;&gt;Zhaladshar&lt;/span&gt;]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Zhaladshar|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #FF0000; font-size: small; text-decoration: none&quot;&gt;(Talk)&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::to fix both the unreported Tidy font issues and the reported obsoletes in one go.
:::{{pbr}}For the two pages with multiple misnested errors, [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] and [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
:::If you'd change &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt;  to  &lt;nowiki&gt;'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; that'll clear all those up. It's with the 
:::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;sup&gt;'''''[[Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week|Collaboration of the Week]]:'' [[Author:XXXXXX]]&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt; posts, and there's an extra italics, and the remaining bold is misnested with the sup closer. There isn't anything else on those two pages with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;'''''&lt;/nowiki&gt;, so that's a safe X to Y find and replace.
:::{{pbr}}I'm happy for you to take care of those Tidy fonts and misnested errors for me, I'm also happy to go through a temporary admin nomination process here since I've done that before on Wikivoyage, and there will be some other full protected pages of interest later on as I get the Obsoletes reduced (I'm seeing 725 obsolete errors on 75 full protected pages at this moment with 2500 unprotected that I can handle now). Your call, I'm the guest here. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 18:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: I will give it a shot now. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: So, how can I tell whether that has worked? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 20:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] Looks great, thank you so much! You can tell by the Page information (link in the tools section of the sidebar) it tells what Lint errors remain (if any) on a specific page in the Lint section towards the bottom. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006-03&amp;action=info this has a few] and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-09&amp;action=info this] has no tracked Lint issues (of any type) remaining. In this case though, where the error type is almost eliminated from the site, it's easier to look at the list of just that one error type in particular: [[Special:LintErrors/tidy-font-bug]]. Got two pages remaining for you and that'll finish these off*.
:::::For the single Tidy Font on [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] change &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#9966FF&quot;&gt;[[User:BirgitteSB|Birgitte]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#CC99CC&quot; size=&quot;2&quot;&gt;SB&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::to
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;[[User:BirgitteSB|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#9966FF&quot;&gt;Birgitte&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:#CC99CC; font-size:small&quot;&gt;SB&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::{{pbr}}and for the four on [[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-03]], change
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;000000&quot;&gt;[[User:Adrian|A]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#646060&quot;&gt;drian&lt;/font&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;font color=&quot;#000000&quot;&gt;[[User_Talk:Adrian|L]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#646060&quot;&gt;amo &lt;/font&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;#F660AB&quot;&gt;·· &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; 
:::::to
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;b&gt;[[User:Adrian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;A&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#646060&quot;&gt;drian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt; [[User_Talk:Adrian|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#000000&quot;&gt;L&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#646060&quot;&gt;amo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:#F660AB&quot;&gt;·· &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::{{pbr}}*The other single Tidy font case (Spangineer's signature) on LlywelynII's (unprotected) talk page is a different story. I've been reverted once and the user has refused and reverted my attempt to discuss it despite clear explanation of what and why I had adjusted Spangineer's signature and the Obsolete tags in their own signature, so I've felt I'm not in a position to push it. My hope has been that another user or an admin might have better luck from the social perspective of fixing that Tidy Font. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::There's also the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint LintHint tool] you can use that reads that Lint info, and allows for checking a full page before publishing an edit. It gets added to your Common.js page and is a major tool I use in checking behind myself in editing. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Are there more protected pages that have errors to fix? [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen; color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 21:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, but I'm only interested in three pages at this moment. I'm going wait and assess what remains in the Obsoletes after the unprotected pages are depleted. My hope is that those full-protected pages with Obsolete tags will have only 4 or 5 repeating signatures and won't take much effort.
::::::::The three pages I'm interested in right now are the following. I made the full page changes in my sandbox for our convenience, so you can take the newer version of each sandbox diff and paste it to the original page for a full page or sectional replacement.
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636286&amp;oldid=14636236 diff Dmitrismirnov] for the changes on [[User:Dmitrismirnov]] (table tags, unclosed/stripped tags)
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636383&amp;oldid=14636375 diff Archive] for the remaining errors on [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] (fostered table errors, obsolete/unclosed/misnested tags) and
::::::::*[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AZinnober9%2Fsandbox&amp;diff=14636440&amp;oldid=14636438 diff Henry James] for section [[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007#Author:Henry James]] (stripped s tags).
::::::::No rush, whenever it is convenient. Thank you so much! [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 20:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Yes.. See Special:LintErrors by going through each namespace in turn. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

====Adjacent discussion====
{{ping|BD2412}} A susbstantial proportion of the non Page namespace Missing tags are the use of P tags to put paragraph breaks in talk page comments. Converting these over to {{tl|pbr}} would make a substantial impact. Other missing tags are possibly more complex to fix.  In terms of Page namespace the vast majority of LintErrors are resulting from unpaired format.  There are some Lint's on Mainspace, but those might be tricky to fix reliably. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'd like to keep that separate from this discussion, if you don't mind too terribly, since the errors I've asked about are a much smaller, more manageable set at this moment. And also since you are already discussing the P tags a few sections [[Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Admin_consent_required_for_planned_edits.. |above]], I don't wish to duplicate conversations if that's ok.  [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 23:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
:Did you mean {{tl|pbr}}? I'm not sure how adding vertical spacing fits this issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

==== Additional (Protected) Pages Non exhaustive (use S as each item resolved.) ====
*[[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006-09]]  - Missing tag in Heading (unclosed SPAN) 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] - Misnested code tags, and possibly a need to check table end tags?
*[[User:Dmitrismirnov]]  Fostered content, and missing table field markers?
*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2007]] - Misnested tags (S used over multi-block content)
*[[Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06]] - Stay or unpaired DIV closing tag
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006]]  - Stray or upaired list tags?

Missing tags ((Most likely I,B or P)

*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource talk:Style guide/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-05]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-07]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-01]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-08]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07]] 

Obselete (typically FONT) 

*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource talk:Community collaboration/2008]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2005-12]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2006-11]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2006]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2015]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2016]] 
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2017]]
*[[Wikisource:Featured text candidates/Archives/2018]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-02]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-04]]
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-06]] 
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-07]] 
*[[Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2006-09]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-04]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2005-12-31]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-03]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-04]] 
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-06]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-07]]
*[[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2006-10]]

==Index merge request==
I’m putting this request here so that administrators can deal with the Page: moves. [[Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf]] has recently been created, which contains the entire issue of the periodical from which [[Index:The Eye of Argon.djvu]] has been excerpted. Could someone please move the pages from the .djvu to the .pdf, please? Thank you. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
:Maybe {{ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}}? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 22:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::I'm happy to do this move, but I notice that [[Index:OSFAn-10 (1970).pdf]] is missing pages 49 and 50. Maybe take this to the scan lab first? —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 05:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Or maybe at least put two blind pages if the right pages are temporarily not to find anywhere... [[User:Draco flavus|Draco flavus]] ([[User talk:Draco flavus|talk]]) 16:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

==Some registration problems mentioned in Scriptorium==
Does anybody have any idea what the problem could be with some new accounts' registration, as asked at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help#IP_Block_Exemption]]? The IP does not seem to be blocked either locally or globally. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

== V22 Discussions ==

Hi admins, just checking if it would be ok to start three separate discussions at the Scriptorium to try to get consensus on the best way for Vector 22 to handle a few specifics, to keep the discussions with the WMF web staff going and get their support implementing the outcomes. The main things seem to be:
* {{tl|overfloat image}} (currently breaks when Standard and Large text sizes are selected)
* Text size options in appearance menu (what should the default be, etc.)
* Dark mode
I don't want to rush in if this isn't the best way to go about this. --&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.15em 0.15em 0.1em&quot;&gt;[[User:Yodin|Yodin]]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;text-shadow:grey 0.25em 0.25em 0.12em&quot;&gt;&lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Yodin|T]]&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

== Paragraph spacing ==

As there was no opposition in the discussion now archived in [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2025-01#Paragraph_spacing]], may I ask somebody more skilled in this to make the proposed change? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 11:48, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:Could e.g. {{ping|Alien333}} make it? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 16:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::(I'm a bit busy IRL right now, so I don't have the time to properly get to it. next week probably) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: I have done everything I can last week, and started discussion at [[MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Site.css]]. Xover (only active intadmin) is having doubts about this specific solution, and he's only available on-and-off, so the discussion is taking a while, that's all. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:19, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh, I have not noticed that. I am still seeing that the spacing is much larger than it used to be, while I understood from the previous conversation that it will be possible to override. And what is really disappoiting is that in fact this solution [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2024-11#c-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20241125224400-SGrabarczuk_(WMF)-20241106154600 was promised] by the WMF people [[User:OVasileva (WMF)|OVasileva]] and [[User: SGrabarczuk (WMF)| SGrabarczuk]] to work, which apparently was not true. Their previous contributions seemed to have been written only to calm us, but this time I really did believe them... --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:18, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: It has '''not''' been deployed, and it '''would''' work. Xover (who, as the only active intadmin, is the only one able to edit that page) is just reluctant at adding stuff to Site.css. I've been trying to convince him that we don't have an alternative. Right now, we just have to wait for Xover to agree. I've nudged him again at his talk. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

==Index page errors==
Most index pages that I see throw the error
:&lt;code&gt;Lua error in Module:Proofreadpage_index_template at line 516: data for mw.loadData contains unsupported data type 'function'.&lt;/code&gt;
Could someone please fix this? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 23:27, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}}—reverted the edit for now. [[Index:National Ballad and Song (1897), vol. 5.djvu]] is a random sample index that was broken, and it's fixed now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
::The cause of the error has been fixed, but the effect of the error and the error message will continue to pop up all over the site until the reversion propagates.  I am still seeing the error on Index pages, and so are other people.  If the reversion is not self-propagating, then we may need to run a bot to do a &quot;touch edit&quot; or &quot;null edit&quot; on every Index page site-wide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::I have needed to at least purge all Index pages affected by this issue. Any Index that is still affected by this won't show up in some querying tools, such as DynamicPageList. Some type of site-wide purge of the Index namespace would certainly be useful (at least for me, so I don't have to manually purge every Index in my scope to get my tracking tools to work again). @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] [[User:Penguin1737|Penguin1737]] ([[User talk:Penguin1737|talk]]) 23:09, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
::::See [[WS:S#Index lua issue]], where this possibility is under discussion. First we'd need a good way to select all pages that have the issue. If we purge the whole index namespace, even at one edit a second (we've got 16k indexes; if we did one edit a minute, it would take us 11 days. And one edit a minute, every minute, for eleven days, would probably still be much too much server load.
::::If you have an idea how we could programatically find all affected pages without too many false positives, you're welcome to present it at the WS:S discussion. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:34, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
::The revert that mattered was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Proofreadpage_index_template/config&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14927312 this one] and not [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Proofreadpage_index_template&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14928457 this one]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:03, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Is this also the reason that the transclusion check tool is not currently functioning?  I ran a check on [[Index:Dark Hester.djvu]], and all of the grey (Not text) pages were highlighted in red, which is ''supposed'' to mean that they were included when they shouldn't be, but when I checked linkages for individual no-text pages, in fact they have ''not'' been transcluded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::That's due to {{tl|index progress bar}} (here used on the main page because it's the POTM). The way it works is counted by mediawiki as transcluding the pages. Hence, all pages of that index (whether or not they have actually been transcluded) show up as transcluded. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::So the index progress bar also has a reversion that needs to be made?  Because something changed the function of the transclusion check in the past week. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, {{tl|index progress bar}} has done this for a long while, and for POTMs all pages have appeared as transcluded for a long while too. (Besides, if you're not convinced, check the relevant pages: none of [[MediaWiki:Gadget-transclusion-check.js]], {{tl|Collaboration/POTM}}, {{tl|index progress bar}} or [[Module:Index progress]] have been edited in the last year.)— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:42, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I have run checks as recently as last week where this behavior did ''not'' happen.  Something ''has'' changed the behavior of our transclusion check tool. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 12:58, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::That work you checked last week probably was not given as parameter to a {{tl|index progress bar}}. For example, if you go to [[Index:Anna Karenina.djvu]], it doesn't have that issue because no page contains {{tlx|index progress bar|Anna Karenina.djvu}}. If that check was on ''Dark Hester'', the difference may be caused by the fact that it was not POTM until the 7th (5 days ago). If it was on ''A Room of One's Own'', it may have been caused by the fact that since the 7th (5 days ago) it is not the POTM work anymore, and so it isn't in a {{tl|index progress bar}}. (And this isn't new, again; I remember coming across the &quot;considers everything transcluded&quot; as far back as last year, for [[The Tower (Yeats)]].) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:08, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Are you saying that the index progress bar affects the function of the transclusion check button found on the Index page? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes, as I said above, that template's using PRP's lua API to get the number of proofread or validated or &amp;c pages, is counted by MediaWiki as a transclusion. So, when the gadget asks mw.Api() for the [https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=help&amp;modules=query%2Btranscludedin transcludedin] property of the pages (filtering to keep only results in Main or Translation namespaces), it returns the pages that has the progress bar, and so as far as the script is concerned that page is transcluded. e.g. if you go to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Page:Dark_Hester.djvu/83]], it says that it's transcluded by the Main Page, Main Page/sandbox2 and Main Page/sandbox.
::::::::::I suppose we could implement a fix that would work in most cases, by editing the script so that it discards transclusions on pages starting by &quot;Main Page&quot;. As that is about the only places where {{tl|index progress bar}} will be used in the main namespace, it should get rid of most issues. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:20, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::None of that has explained why the behavior of the transclusion check button has changed since a week ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::What I'm trying to telling you that it has not changed. For at least a year, all works that had an {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace have had this issue. I distinctly remember it happening for last April's POTM. 
::::::::::::The behaviour only changes depending on whether the index has been given as an argument to an {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace.
::::::::::::That work you checked a week ago surely at the exact time didn't have a {{tl|index progress bar}} in mainspace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::(Comment: a consequence of this is that for indexes that still appear broken, ProofreadPage when loading the mainspace page and the Page:s fails to find the index.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
Has anyone seen this recently, or are we done? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

== User:Eievie unilateral style changes ==

{{User|Eievie}} has made unilateral style changes to works without discussion.  Not only to a project I have been working on for eight years, but also to the current Featured Text (which is part of a series, with an established series style).  The latter occurred just after [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Eievie&amp;diff=15087436&amp;oldid=15086231 I issued a reminder] that this behavior was not acceptable.

I see several other editors have come to this User's Talk page with the same concern, including two other administrators. This user has always responded with arguments without ever acknowledging the problem.  I have therefore blocked this user for three days. In the past this has been considered bad form and unacceptable, so I am asking other administrators to explain the problems with this attitude and approach.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

== User:Pigsonthewing reverts while failing to discuss  ==

{{User|Pigsonthewing}} made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15091860 this request] for another user to edit [[Help:Beginner's guide to copyright]] to include information about uploading files. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091860 responded] to the request [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AScriptorium&amp;diff=15091910&amp;oldid=15091896 twice], pointing out that this was not a copyright issue, but a file hosting issue. I received several replies [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091877 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15092046&amp;oldid=15091902 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15091910 here]; [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092039 here]; and [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092043 here], in which the third replay was &quot;No, I am not&quot; and the fourth was simply &quot;No&quot;.  I therefore [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Scriptorium&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092048 asked for clarification].

I the meantime, while this discussion was happening, User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15092046&amp;oldid=15091902 altered the page under discussion] despite my objections.  I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092046 reverted]; User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15092047 immediately reverted again].

I therefore [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AScriptorium&amp;diff=15092064&amp;oldid=15092049 started a discussion] on the topic.

I received no response at all from User:Pigsonthewing for my request for clarification, and no response from User:Pigsonthewing concerning the discussion topic either.

After waiting five days with no response, I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15101814 restored the original wording], which User:Pigsonthewing [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15101814 immediately reverted].  I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ABeginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=15101841&amp;oldid=15101840 restored the wording] with a request to participate in the discussion. I was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_copyright&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15101841 reverted again] with the edit summary &quot;''NOone supports youo- objection''.&quot;

Given that User:Pigsonthewing is (1) is insisting on the change despite an objection, and (2) refusing to participate in clarification or discussion, I ask that the original wording be restored.

User:Pigsonthewing ought to know better how to participate in a discussion and respond to objections. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:35, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:EP claims to have &quot;started a discussion&quot;; all he really did was restate his objection. Not one single editor agreed with him, yet he took that lack of agreement as a green light to continue reverting. &lt;span class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;fn&quot;&gt;[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;span class=&quot;nickname&quot;&gt;Pigsonthewing&lt;/span&gt;); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]&lt;/span&gt; 20:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
::I note that no one supported your position, yet you took that as a &quot;green light to continue reverting&quot;.  I made an effort to discuss.  I opened a discussion and also requested clarification, then I waited for five days, yet in those five days you failed to respond either to the discussion or my direct request for clarification of your position.  This demonstrates a lack of willingness to discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:So let me get this straight ... Pigsonthewing requests that someone add clarification to a help page, EP thinks it's unnecessary, so when Pigs makes the change EP reverts it? EP does this look like a policy page to you or something? —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
::It looks as though you're responding solely to edit history, and not the change itself.  The requested clarification is on the subsequent Help page.  The page being altered is about copyright law, not about where to save files.  The added text makes a difficult paragraph (so stated on the page itself) even harder for a beginner to read by inter-mixing two different issues into the same paragraph.  It does not actually clarify the subject of the paragraph, but makes it harder for a beginner to understand.  Surely the point of a Beginner's Guide is to make things simple for a beginner?  That is: How does adding comments about where to save files clarify international copyright law? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:Not having any opinion on the original subject of the dispute, I will react only to the technical side of the matter: It is always the change that needs to be confirmed by consensus, otherwise the previous status quo has to be kept. So if there is a change suggested, and somebody disagrees, discussion is needed. If the outcome of the discussion is clear support of the change, either because the opposing party was convinced and changed their opinion or because they were outvoted, the change can take place. Otherwise it cannot. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Spam blocklist spontaneously started blocking an edit ==

Similar to [[Special:PermanentLink/12154545#.space_blocked_by_the_spam_filter?]], I was editing [[Page:130 Days of Elon Musk.pdf/9]] and even tho it ''already'' has a URI that is &quot;www.space.com&quot; in it, just out of nowhere, a new edit to the page evidently got blocked for having &quot;.space&quot; in it, even tho that is not the TLD. The filter needs to be fixed or removed. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: The behaviour regarding whether the link was already there is not controllable, that's just how [[mw:Extension:SpamBlacklist]] works.
: Given there are already many specific filters in .space in the global blacklist that hopefully catch all the bad uses of .space, I have tentatively removed it. If new vandalism/spam occurs with others .space links, we can readd a more specific rule. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::I can see you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:130_Days_of_Elon_Musk.pdf/9&amp;diff=0&amp;oldid=15114755 this test edit]. As you may have noticed, I changed &quot;www.space.com&quot; to &quot;space.com&quot; in order to remove &quot;.space&quot;. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:18, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Yeah, hadn't seen that. (Because you said &quot;filter&quot; I went on a tangent looking at abusefilter logs and that sort of stuff and being confused I didn't find anything that matched. Hence the test edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:35, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Dang. I hate wasting others' time. Sorry, A. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:24, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== Permission error ==

I am trying to create the page [[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)/The parting of Hector with his Princess Androma­che, and only Son Astyanax]] but I keep getting a permission error with the blacklist rule that blocked it being (.*\x{00AD}.* &lt;casesensitive|errmsg=titleblacklist-invisible-characters-edit&gt; # Soft-hyphen. I have created multiple pages in this work (''[[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)]]'') without any problems, but the system has taken umbrage with this one. I have tried the suggested remedies, without success. It looks like the objection is to do with a soft hyphen, but the hyphen is the same one in all the other pages. Any assistance would be appreciated. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:11, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: Go to [[The Temple of Death, Art of Poetry, Duel of the Stags, etc - Sheffield et. al. (1695)/The parting of Hector with his Princess Andromache, and only Son Astyanax]] instead. The issue with soft hyphens is they're invisible; in this instance, I supposed you followed a link made from OCR; there was a soft hyphen in between {{tqi|Androma}} and {{tqi|che}}. It's precisely because those chars are invisible that they're forbidden; can create a log of confusion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. I had tried editing the title in Notepad, which I thought was a no-nonsense basic text editor but clearly I was mistaken. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::: You can see invisible characters in the URL, because it's encoded; e.g. here it was &lt;code&gt;The_Temple_of_Death,_Art_of_Poetry,_Duel_of_the_Stags,_etc_-_Sheffield_et._al._(1695)/The_parting_of_Hector_with_his_Princess_Androma%C2%ADche,_and_only_Son_Astyanax&lt;/code&gt;. Note the &lt;code&gt;%C2%AD&lt;/code&gt; in the middle of the word.
::: Another way to see it is to activate CodeMirror in an edit box onwiki: it shows a red dot for invisible characters. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I just noticed I can see them in my clipboard manager too. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:10, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== Bot flag for [[User:333Bot|333Bot]] ==

To [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]]/[[User:BD2412|BD2412]] (as the crats) Both tasks have been running for one or two weeks (low edit volume is normal, as long as no one adds stuff sourced to webpages and no one makes untagged nominations, won't edit); so requesting the flag per [[WS:BOT]].

(I've also just launched a weekly maintenance report in its own userspace; I'm considering that this doesn't need one more approval given it's only in its user space, but if someone feels like it does warrant one, then I will.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{re|Alien333}} {{done}}. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:07, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 22:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format ==

I have blocked {{User|Koavf}} for deliberately breaking the formatting of page content.  They made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AHe_who_gets_Slapped_%281949%29.djvu%2F7&amp;diff=15122607&amp;oldid=15122551 this edit] which resulted in a display that did not match the original, so I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122607 reverted] with an edit summary explaining: ''those changes do not display correctly''.

Rather than discuss, or ask about the problems, they immediately [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122657 restored] the broken display, stating that the display was fine on their end, ignoring the fact the problems had been found in the edit.

Since this was a deliberate switch to a page which did not display correctly, I consider the edit to be vandalism, and for this have placed a three day block. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
*[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I believe this is well enough, and indicative of a ''long'' pattern of misconduct. You have once again banned established editors for petty disputes over page formatting. I call for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]] in your administrator powers. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:No one has been banned.  A person has been blocked for a short span of time. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: My read on the situation: I personally agree with the principle of using {{tl|uc}} for these when possible as Koavf is correct that it is semantically more valid, but the wikicode attempted unfortunately wasn't working on other setups. It works on mine though. (I'm curious to know what browser and machine EP was using to view it—this could indicate a problem with the template itself. I could do some testing on this.) But Koavf ''was'' edit-warring with an admin here, rather than defaulting to a public discussion to resolve a dispute, and that's a pretty well-known breach of general wiki etiquette—something that Koavf should definitely be aware of, given [[w:Koavf|his extensive and ''famous'' history in the WMF community]]. So, I think it's fair to say Koavf is in the wrong in his engagement in edit-warring. But it happens—we get angry sometimes—so EP having set a mere 3 days to chill out, rather than an outright permanent or long-term block, seems reasonable enough to me. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 02:58, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::Upper case was not the issue; I left that template in place on a couple of other pages from the same work.  Please see my comments to Koavf on their talk page.  The problems came from the replacement of a table with a running header constrained by an enclosing div tag while using &lt;nowiki&gt;{{!}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a vertical dividing line within the template's central field. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:30, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: careful with how you use the word {{tqi|vandalism}}: that word has one meaning, acts that intentionally aim to hinder the project as a whole from reaching its objectives. What happened here was perhaps edit warring, but it certainly wasn't vandalism. Koavf was trying to fix a display issue they saw on their side. Compatibility issues are especially hard to solve; I see no evidence of {{tqi|deliberately breaking page format}}. The issue here at hand is behaviour rather than content, so I will not comment on the merits of these specific edits, further than noting that none were vandalism.
: Furthermore, rollback should only be used for vandalism. Since it does not give any explanations of the revert, it should only be used for edits that are clearly in bad faith. Which these as I said above weren't. More concerning, you have already been reproached misuse of rollback at least once at [[WS:AN]]. So '''my first question is to you: 1) can you commit to in the future refraining from rollbacking non-vandalism, for which you have already been admonished?'''
: On the merits of the block: a 3-day cooling-off block for edit warring with {{tqi|pay attention}} in the summaries, is not completely out of bounds. However, on this occasion as in others, it seems to me you are a bit trigger-happy with the block button.
:# You have here blocked Koavf for 2 (two) reverts. Reverting twice should not be done, but I'm not sure it warrants a block (or one of three days; [[WS:BP]] says one for EW except for egregious cases). 
:# No one can edit-war alone. You too were edit-warring with them. As far as I can see, you bear as much blame as them in this case: both of you did not engage in discussion and instead re-reverted. There was about as much justification to block yourself as him. (@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: it was not only an editor edit-warring with an administrator, it was also an administrator edit-warring with a user, which is worse given administrators are held to higher standards.)
:# No admin should ever block a non-vandal they are in personal conflict with. Never, and especially not if that conflict is an ongoing edit war. In doing so an admin is about certain to be influenced by their own grievances. So '''my second question is to you: 2) can you commit to in the future refraining from blocking non-vandals you are in personal conflict with, and instead to bring the issue first to the community?'''
: I would like to remind both of you (@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] this is for you too) that reverting is not a substitute for discussion. If at some point you find yourself making your second identical revert on the same page in a few minutes, ''just don't''. There is zero point edit-warring. The way of collaboration isn't re-reverting; it's stepping back, and asking for wider opinions on the issue at hand ([[WS:S]] being the forum for that). Neither of you tried to engage in discussion on this issue.
: If the answer to either of my bolded questions is not &quot;yes&quot;, or if EP makes and then breaks one of these commitments, then I think they are not capable of wielding the tools responsibly and I would support a vote of confidence. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:43, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::I used the word &quot;vandalism&quot; as defined in our own [[WS:Blocking policy]] is: &quot;deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the library.&quot; When someone is informed that a change isn't working properly, and their immediate response is to put the problematic edit back, with an edit summary indicating that they know about the problem, that is deliberate.  Where are you finding the definition you've used?  WS:BP recommends one day for first-time offenses, but Koavf has been previously blocked.  I followed the recommended steps as outlined in our blocking policy, including that I posted here because I felt the block would be controversial. Which part of the blocking policy did I not adhere to?
::With regard to your second question, you can see on the Scriptorium examples where I have brought disputes to the community.  In [[WS:Scriptorium#Beginner's guide to copyright missing a key issue]], I asked for community feedback.  When no member of the community responded in the Scriptorium, I proceeded with a thread here: [[#User:Pigsonthewing reverts while failing to discuss]], requesting admin comment.  When the edits are not vandalism, I have brought the issue to the community.
::With regard to your first question, I used &quot;undo&quot;.  I see that one of my edits registers as rollback, which I attribute to a misclick.  The two options display right above each other in the page change comparison window, and there is no verification request if I accidentally select rollback when undo was intended. It was not my intention to use rollback here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:50, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::: On &quot;deliberate&quot;: Koavf deliberately reinstated these edits, yes. What you have not shown is a &quot;deliberate attempt ''to reduce the quality of the library''&quot; (emphasis mine). Browser/OS/&amp;c compatibility issues mean that it's perfectly plausible for one version to work for you but not him, and for another version to work for him but not you. You have not shown any evidence of intentionally making edits to reduce the quality of WS.
::: Thank you for the precision on rollback.
::: I have asked you two questions, though, and would appreciate direct answers (as opposed to general discussion of the topic):
:::* Do you commit to not using rollback for possibly controversial reverts? (nb - intentionally, that is. Although it apparently wasn't in this specific case, I'd still like the precision in general)
:::* Do you commit to not blocking an editor you are in conflict with?
::: Thanks. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::For the first question, yes.  For the second, that is too broad for me to agree to as worded. If the editor is in conflict with me ''and others'', then I do not believe the restriction should necessarily apply. There are multiple reasons listed at [[WS:Blocking policy]], and I do not believe it would be in the best interests of the community if I agreed not to block someone who has repeatedly violated copyright, repeatedly violated policy, or made personal attacks, simply because they have yelled at me. There have been periods of time where I was the only admin active here for several hours, and even posts to this page can sit for a full day before the first admin responds. If you believe that some form of your request should be added to the blocking policy, then that should be discussed with the community; it is not currently there. For the issue of whether Koavf's reversion was vandalism, it sounds as though we are arguing the definition of policy and disagree on that point, but I did verify the definition of vandalism before preceding with the block and post here. I rarely describe edits as vandalism aside from new accounts and IPs who arrive and immediately begin destructive editing. I do take that issue seriously. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::I am using the exact definition of policy that you used. You have not explained how reinstating an edit that looks fine to the person making it is a &quot;deliberate attempt to reduce the quality of the library&quot;.
:::::My question on blocks may be a bit broad. Here is a more specific one:
:::::* Do you commit to not blocking a regular WS editor you are edit warring with?
:::::Also, a more open-ended question:
:::::* Why do you think, precisely, you are less to blame than Koavf? Both of you have edit-warred, reverting without engaging in discussion, both because what you saw in your browser appeared to contradict what the other saw. If he deserved a block, why did you not?
::::: — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The policy section your are using concerns article editing conflicts, such as content disputes, not vandalism. Vandalism is a separate concern.  Per your original post: &quot;No admin should ever block a non-vandal they are in personal conflict . . .&quot;, so the disagreement between us is over whether this is vandalism. Vandalism is reason for blocking, but reverting to previous state to correct a problem is not vandalism. And to quote precedent from an earlier discussion above: &quot;It is always the change that needs to be confirmed by consensus, otherwise the previous status quo has to be kept.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== Move all subpages of [[Who's Who in the Far East]] to use title case ==
I was informed by [[User:Beeswaxcandle]] that I should use title case instead of all caps in article names. So I request to move all subpages of [[Who's Who in the Far East]] to use title case. Although I can use a bot to move it myself, that would leave tons of redirects for admins to delete. But if an admin can easily batch-delete a list of pages, I can move it myself and then provide the list of pages to delete. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. Thanks, --[[User:Stevenliuyi|Stevenliuyi]] ([[User talk:Stevenliuyi|talk]]) 08:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Stevenliuyi}} Please review the list at [[Wikisource:Bot requests/sandbox]]. I notice that there is at least one English name that needs to be fixed, and the Chinese names didn't convert on the regex that I used. Would you fix or create the '''target''' (only) in the list in the pair list, and I will get it done. No need to fix those that are broken though you should fix the previous/next links of the articles either side.  To note that as I did for your other work, I will look to get a work specific template in place, though will do that afterwards. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
::I suppose that I really to want to ensure that the Chinese names are capitalised properly. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Stevenliuyi|Stevenliuyi]] and @[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]: Has this request been actioned (i.e. can it be closed as resolved)? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:34, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Stevenliuyi|Stevenliuyi]]: Please see [[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]'s request (above) for quality control of the list of targets in [[Wikisource:Bot requests/sandbox]]. They have done the legwork to prepare for the move, but it is unable to progress until you've checked and corrected the target page names. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 05:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Stevenliuyi|Stevenliuyi]]: This is blocked on your input here. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

==Wikidata bulk edit==
[https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=20555615 I made a query for works on enWS that have WD items with no &quot;instance of&quot; statement]. The criteria I used are:
* Pages in mainspace
* No redirects or disambiguation pages (this includes Versions and Translations btw)
* Does not contain a forward slash in the page name (in order to exclude subpages)
* Is linked to Wikidata, and linked Wikidata item does not have a P31 statement 
This query returns 13889 results, which is more than even QuickStatements can handle. Would it be possible for a bot to update these Wikidata items with P31=Q3331189 (instance of = version, edition, or translation)?

Thanks :) —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 13:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

:I think we could be more specific for certain groups, e.g I have addressed &quot;Presidential Radio Address&quot; articles as &quot;instance of speech&quot;. There are several groups of articles that can be identified and then addressed with QuickStatements. After that, the bot can be run on what is left. [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 23:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Mpaa}} Except they are editions as we host them, the speech would be the parent to the item, per [[d:WD:Books]] as there may be other published editions of the same speech. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] I see. I saw other were linked that way and I followed along. If it is not correct, it should be cleaned up but I do not master wikidata tools enough to write a bot for it. [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 21:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::We desperately need better Wikidata tools (so we're not dependent on Billinghurst to be on eternal vigilance here). But the current gadget we have for this is loaded from some user's personal page on Russian Wikisource (which is kinda iffy in itself these days), and its code is completely incomprehensible. If anybody knows of or runs across ''good'' API docs for how to talk to Wikidata I'd be very interested. As far as I can tell, the only existing API is the main MW:API with some very minor additions for WD, and that's way way too painful to use for our purposes. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Xover}} Maybe we should just be bold and create a phabricator task and see where we go. We probably should have put this into the desired toys to be built for 2023, though we have missed that boat as it is currently in final stages of voting (I think). — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
::[[User:Beleg Tâl]] why not just do it with Petscan itself, from memory it could additions. Also note that there is the interwiki Petscan: for these. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
{{comment}} wondering whether we need to chip out components of this task.  For example, something like [[petscan:23959659]] shows works using {{tl|Act of Congress}} which would not be ''edition'', and would instead by another item, and they also have components that could have other elements added through QuickStatements. Yes, this will still need a large slab of works that need {{Q|Q3331189}} added, though at least it will allow for something less than the blunderbuss approach. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

==Copy the proofread text from [[Index: The last man (Second Edition 1826 Volume 1).djvu]] to [[Index:The last man vol 1.djvu]]==
The three volumes of The Last Man only have a different title page between the first and second edition, could the proofread text of the three-volumes of the second edition be copied to the scans of the first edition. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 23:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

::@[[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] If it is OK to copy also the Page status, better wait for all 3 vols to be validated. [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 13:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

::: Makes Sense. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 13:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Replace illustrator header parameter with section_illustrator in subpages of works ==
The deprecated {{template|Illustrator}} template was replaced by the built-in parameter &quot;illustrator&quot; per [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?oldid=14276927#Replace_illustrator_template_with_illustrator_header_param bot request]. However, when the parameter was used for a specific subpage only and not for other subpages of the work, such as [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Once_a_Week_%28magazine%29%2FSeries_1%2FVolume_3%2FThe_famous_city_of_Prague_-_Part_2&amp;diff=14277850&amp;oldid=13952541 here], then the parameter &quot;section_illustrator&quot; should be used instead. Would it be possible to find and correct all other cases and change the parameter? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: I've changed all the {{para|illustrator}} that can be converted (semi-)automatically to {{para|section-illustrator}}. For the remaining ones the illustrator specified in {{para|illustrator}} is the illustrator for the text as a whole (i.e. it appears on the subpage as a duplication of the top-level page header, the same way they repeat the {{para|author}}). Changing these to {{para|section-illustrator}} would actually change the meaning, so I'm not comfortable doing that without wider discussion. If you have some of your own texts you'd like changed I can do that as (the equivalent of) &quot;author's request&quot;.{{pbr}}That being said, I am increasingly uncertain about whether it makes sense to repeat the illustrator for the work on the subpages of the work. For something like [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Rackham)]], where the whole point of the edition is that it's illustrated by Rackham, I can kinda see the point (and in that case it can appear even on subpages without illustrations, like and author or editor)). But for most other things, what makes sense is {{para|section-illustrator}} or nothing. I think maybe we ought to bring this to the Scriptorium for wider discussion. Thoughts? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Xover}} Thanks!
::As for repeating the illustrator in the chapters, I do not really have a strong opinion on that (supposing we talk only about cases where all the chapters have the same illustrators as those mentioned in the header of the title page). Just a quick thought: If other authors are repeated (and I believe they should be), why should illustrators be an exception? There are works where the importance of their illustrators is nearing the importance of the text authors, typically with children books. Maybe it makes even a little more sense for non-fiction works, where a reader might google out and read a specific chapter without looking at the rest of the edition. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan.Kamenicek]]: Well, it's based on the observation that for most texts the illustrators are like in [[Index:Options (1909).djvu]], a grab-bag of illustrators that each have contributed to only one part. Things like [[Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Rackham)]], where the whole point of the edition is that it's illustrated by Rackham, tend to be the exceptions. Right now we do not have any direct guidance on this, and that kinda-sorta works when it's up to human judgement and nobody fights about it. You get very inconsistent application of it (cf. all the {{para|illustrator}} parameters on subpages I had to skip), and you risk people fighting about it (cf. the rather heated revert wars about whether {{para|year}} should be used on subpages). It also means I can't make things like the automatically generated headers created by Proofread Page behave sensibly by default (i.e. should it include the year in subpages by default and require people to override it, or omit it by default and require people to specify it when needed). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I have just offered a thought that came to my mind, but if not repeating the illustrator on subpages makes things easier for you, I am OK with that. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Jan.Kamenicek}} Is this thread still active?  If it is completed, we should archive it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:05, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Collected works of Ibsen moves ==
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 5).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 5).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 6).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 6).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 7).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 7).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 8).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 8).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 9).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 9).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 10).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 10).djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 11).djvu]] --&gt; [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 11).djvu]]

Each Index above needs to have (a) the '''File''' on Commons renamed; (b) the '''Index''' on Wikisource moved; (c) all '''Page'''(s) moved.  The issue is that we have an incomplete (UK) Heinemann edition set and a partial (US) Scribner's edition set, with further scans from the Scribner's on Commons, and the two sets of editions ought to be disambiguated before any further confusion or ensues.

Each File / Index / Page should be renamed so that &quot;Heinamann: is added in the position to make the following change:
* &quot;The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Volume 5).djvu&quot; --&gt; &quot;The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ('''Heinemann''' Volume 5).djvu&quot;

The template {{tl|The collected works of Henrik Ibsen}} is the only item linked to these Indices right now, and therefore it should be updated following the change(s). None of the Pages seem to be transcluded, so no mainspace editing should be required. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Sigh. I went to move the files and found the following:
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:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 7).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 8).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 9).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 10).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 11).djvu]]
: That is, Languageseeker apparently uploaded ''different'' scans of vols. 5, 6, 8, and 9—but not vols. 7, 10, and 11—using that naming schema. And since Commons policy doesn't permit overwriting these we're kind of stuck on that.{{pbr}}Maybe we could put these at…
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 5 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 6 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 7 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 8 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 9 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 10 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:* [[:File:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen, vol. 11 (Heinemann).djvu]]
:… possibly along with moving vols. 1–4 to the same schema? --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
::Gah, this is an even bigger mess than I thought.  Can we not request an admin to move the low-quality scans for  5, 6, 8, 9 out of the way, and then move the good scans into the now vacant names?  We've had to deal with complex moves like that before, and from what I can see, none of those four files have an Index page or other bits associated with them requiring a move.  Otherwise, we'd not only have to make the move you suggest but '''also''' move our current scans on volumes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 12, as well as all their pages, to make the naming convention consistent. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::You'd need to make a move request on Commons, and hope you get an admin to look at it within a reasonable time plus to understand the point of the request (I am not certain they would accept this move reason without a lot of explanation). Most file moves are made by file movers, not admins, but they don't have the permissions for this kind of thing (they can technically suppress redirects, but aren't allowed to use the permission for this kind of move).{{pbr}}BTW, while not trivial, bulk moving pages from one index to another isn't too bad with the pywikibot script Inductiveload made, and usually you can just run a search&amp;replace by bot in mainspace to fix the transclusions. If you decide to go that route it should be fine (even if annoying). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 17:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

==Remove Template:Expand list from the Author namespace==
Based on the [[Wikisource:Scriptorium]] discussion regarding use of {{tl|expand list}} in the Author namespace, where everyone agrees it should not be used there, could someone please use a bot to remove all instances of {{tl|expand list}} and its redirect {{tl|incomplete list}} from the Author namespace? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

:{{done}} --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:08, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

{{section resolved|--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:08, 12 June 2025 (UTC)}}

==Please upgrade page status of not proofread pages in [[Index:From poverty to power; (IA frompovertytopow00alle).pdf|From Poverty to Power]] and in [[Index:The crimson fairy book (IA crimsonfairybook00lang).pdf|The Crimson Fairy Book]]==
More work from unregistered user(s). Please upgrade the pages to proofread. While I might still apply a couple of minor formatting changes, they are otherwise both ready. As an aside, if you have any simple clean up tools that you could run over [[Index:Microscopicial researchers - Theodor Schwann - English Translation - 1947.pdf]] while you are at it, that would be much appreciated. Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:P.S. Also the not-proofread pages in [[Index:Rolland - Beethoven, tr. Hull, 1927.pdf|Beethoven]] please, excluding the pages marked problematic. Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:: {{oppose}} Those pages have a lot of formatting needed to bring them in line with the rest of the work, including multiple misuses of the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tag where a line break should be used instead (and is so used through the rest of the work). --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::P.P.S. And [[Index:All these things added .. (IA allthesethingsa00alle).pdf]]. Thanks again, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{oppose}} I am finding blank pages marked as &quot;Not proofread&quot;, which the bot would mark as &quot;Proofread&quot;.  This Index should first be checked page by page manually.  I'm also finding that the work's title and section titles are self-linked, which they should not do.  That is, the half-title page bears the work's title, which is linked to the work that it is part of.  And the interior titles for the Parts of the work were self-linked.  I have not fully sorted this out because I have also had to move the parts of the work together under the work's main title, since Part 1 and Part 2 were originally created as separate works in their own right, rather than being subpages of the containing work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

{{section resolved|--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:09, 12 June 2025 (UTC)}}

==Please upgrade page status of not proofread pages in [[Index:The crimson fairy book (IA crimsonfairybook00lang).pdf|The Crimson Fairy Book]]==
Separating this request from the above, as I believe it is at least safe to upgrade these pages. There is also the chance (however small) that I get back to validating this, and so I would rather not manually mark the pages proofread. Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

:Have you personally verified that each of these pages is proofread? If not, I believe this would be inappropriate. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

{{section resolved|--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:10, 12 June 2025 (UTC)}}

==Please upgrade page status of not proofread pages in [[Index:The Power of Thought (Hamblin).djvu|The Power of Thought]]==
More work of an unregistered user. Seems safe to upgrade from a cursory check. Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

:As above, this would be inappropriate unless you have yourself verified that each of these pages is fully proofread. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

{{section resolved|--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:11, 12 June 2025 (UTC)}}

==Autocreate pages in [[Index:Concordia Triglotta.pdf]]==
Would it be possible to script the creation of some pages in this index as follows:
* All pages from [[Page:Concordia Triglotta.pdf/1463]] to [[Page:Concordia Triglotta.pdf/1531]] (inclusive):
** Status: Without text
** Content (to replace existing text layer): &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{lang block|de|{{iwpage|de}}}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
* Even-numbered pages from [[Page:Concordia Triglotta.pdf/384]] to [[Page:Concordia Triglotta.pdf/1442]] (inclusive), with the exception of pages already created:
** Status: Without text
** Content (to replace existing text layer): &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{Concordia Triglotta bilingual page}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
All of these pages contain only German and/or Latin text, which is to be interwikied from deWS and laWS, rather than proofread here on enWS.

Thanks! —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

:Question:  Would page creation use the existing text layer?  Because that layer looks like garbage to me. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
::No! you're right, existing layer is garbage, and should be replaced by the content listed in my initial request (I've updated the request to clarify). —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 19:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

==Replace simple uses of override-contributor==
Please make the following replacements in [[:Category:Pages with override contributor]]:
: &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;override contributor pattern&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; is &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;(\|\s*(contributor|section(\-|_|\s)author)\s*=\s*)?\|\s*override(\-|_|\s)(contributor|section(\-|_|\s)author)\s*=\s*&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
: Assume patterns are on a single line which otherwise contains only whitespace.
* &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;override contributor pattern&gt;\[\[Author:&lt;author pattern&gt;\|&lt;author display pattern&gt;\]\]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; &amp;rarr; &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;\| section\-author = &lt;author pattern&gt; \| section\-author\-display = &lt;author display pattern&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
* &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;override contributor pattern&gt;\[\[Author:&lt;author 1 pattern&gt;\|&lt;author 1 display pattern&gt;\]\]\s+and\s+\[\[Author:&lt;author 2 pattern&gt;\|&lt;author 2 display pattern&gt;\]\]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; &amp;rarr; &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;\| section\-author1 = &lt;author 1 pattern&gt; \| section\-author1\-display = &lt;author 1 display pattern&gt; \| section\-author2 = &lt;author 2 pattern&gt; \| section\-author2\-display = &lt;author 2 display pattern&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
* &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;override contributor pattern&gt;\[\[Author:&lt;author pattern&gt;\|&lt;author display pattern&gt;\]\], translated by \[\[Author:&lt;translator pattern&gt;\|&lt;translator display pattern&gt;\]\]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; &amp;rarr; &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;\| section\-author = &lt;author pattern&gt; \| section\-author\-display = &lt;author display pattern&gt; \| section\-translator = &lt;translator pattern&gt; \| &lt;translator display pattern&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
* &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;override contributor pattern&gt;\{\{anon\}\}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; &amp;rarr; &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;\| section\-author = anon&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
—[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 08:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

==Clean up of [[A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism]]==
To attempt to improve consistency (both with the source text and just in general), could the following changes please be made to [[Index:A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism - Volume 1.djvu]]

*&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;h3 align=center&gt;''Some heading text.''&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{c|''Some heading text.''}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; (They should be two single quotes so as to have italicized text, not straight double quotes as they look to me)
*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{numb form|Some equation in math environment|Empty}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{c|Some equation in math environment}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;
*&lt;nowiki&gt;{{numb form|Some equation in math environment|(Some number)}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to &lt;nowiki&gt;{{MathForm2|(Some number)|Some equation in math environment}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;

If curious, both MathForm2 and numb form have been used throughout the text, but each has a different right-indent on the equation number, and different line break characteristics after the equation, where MathForm2 is preferred in both cases.

Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 02:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:P.S. Actually, if anyone has a better alternative to both MathForm2 and numb form that might also be fine, as I don't love how MathForm2 doesn't seem to right-align all the equation numbers, e.g. [[Page:A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism - Volume 1.djvu/156]]. [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 02:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

==Year parameter in subpages of Castes and Tribes of Southern India==
There are frequent attempts to edit many subpages of [[Castes and Tribes of Southern India]], because people consider the information wrong/false/fake etc. Imo it might help – not much, but at least a very little bit – if  &lt;code&gt;| year = 1909&lt;/code&gt; parameter was added into the header of each of the subpages. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

== Make more consistent the long s usage in [[Index:Fameandconfession.djvu]] ==

Some pages in this work use {{tl|long s}}, while others use a bare ſ. To make things more consistent, please replace &lt;code&gt;ſ&lt;/code&gt; with &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{ls}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in [[Special:PrefixIndex/Page:Fameandconfession.djvu]]. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 17:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== Burmese Textiles ==

The [[Index:Burmese_Textiles]] was based on .png files which got deleted from Commons. Following a notification about this issue at Scriptorium, I have uploaded [[:File:Bankfield Museum Notes, 2nd series, no. 7, Burmese textiles from the Shan and Kachin districts.pdf]] locally and created [[Index:Bankfield Museum Notes, 2nd series, no. 7, Burmese textiles from the Shan and Kachin districts.pdf|the index page]]. May I ask to move the pages from the original index to the new one, please? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
: To check: /1 of the source index should be moved to /7 of the result index (the one numbered &quot;1&quot;), and so on, right? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, thanks! --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:03, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:The Best Continental Short Stories of 1923–1924.djvu]] == 
The punctuation used in our transcription is inconsistent. Can someone replace all the straight quotes with curly quotes so that our transcription is consistent with both the original text and itself? {{unsigned|ToxicPea}}
: To someone else wondering like me if where it currently stands: there are right now about 300 pages with curly quotes and 240 with straight quotes.
: (Curly to straight is easy, but I don't have the tools to do straight to curly because straight quotes are also used in markup and curly quotes can't do that.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Perhaps someone has a form of AWB that would accelerate the change over manual case-by-case hunting and inspection? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:13, 12 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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ABATE, cast down, subdue.

ABHORRING, repugnant (to), at variance.

ABJECT, base, degraded thing, outcast.

ABRASE, smooth, blank.

ABSOLUTE(LY), faultless(ly).

ABSTRACTED, abstract, abstruse.

ABUSE, deceive, insult, dishonour, make ill use of.

ACATER, caterer.

ACATES, cates.

ACCEPTIVE, willing, ready to accept, receive.

ACCOMMODATE, fit, befitting.  (The word was a fashionable
one and used on all occasions.  See &quot;Henry IV.,&quot; pt. 2,
iii. 4).

ACCOST, draw near, approach.

ACKNOWN, confessedly acquainted with.

ACME, full maturity.

ADALANTADO, lord deputy or governor of a Spanish province.

ADJECTION, addition.

ADMIRATION, astonishment.

ADMIRE, wonder, wonder at.

ADROP, philosopher's stone, or substance from which obtained.

ADSCRIVE, subscribe.

ADULTERATE, spurious, counterfeit.

ADVANCE, lift.

ADVERTISE, inform, give intelligence.

ADVERTISED, &quot;be --,&quot; be it known to you.

ADVERTISEMENT, intelligence.

ADVISE, consider, bethink oneself, deliberate.

ADVISED, informed, aware; &quot;are you --?&quot; have you found that out?

AFFECT, love, like; aim at; move.

AFFECTED, disposed; beloved.

AFFECTIONATE, obstinate; prejudiced.

AFFECTS, affections.

AFFRONT, &quot;give the -- ,&quot; face.

AFFY, have confidence in; betroth.

AFTER, after the manner of.

AGAIN, AGAINST, in anticipation of.

AGGRAVATE, increase, magnify, enlarge upon.

AGNOMINATION.  See Paranomasie.

AIERY, nest, brood.

AIM, guess.

ALL HID, children's cry at hide-and-seek.

ALL-TO, completely, entirely (&quot;all-to-be-laden&quot;).

ALLOWANCE, approbation, recognition.

ALMA-CANTARAS (astronomy), parallels of altitude.

ALMAIN, name of a dance.

ALMUTEN, planet of chief influence in the horoscope.

ALONE, unequalled, without peer.

ALUDELS, subliming pots.

AMAZED, confused, perplexed.

AMBER, AMBRE, ambergris.

AMBREE, MARY, a woman noted for her valour at the
siege of Ghent, 1458.

AMES-ACE, lowest throw at dice.

AMPHIBOLIES, ambiguities.

AMUSED, bewildered, amazed.

AN, if.

ANATOMY, skeleton, or dissected body.

ANDIRONS, fire-dogs.

ANGEL, gold coin worth 10 shillings, stamped with the
figure of the archangel Michael.

ANNESH CLEARE, spring known as Agnes le Clare.

ANSWER, return hit in fencing.

ANTIC, ANTIQUE, clown, buffoon.

ANTIC, like a buffoon.

ANTIPERISTASIS, an opposition which enhances the quality
it opposes.

APOZEM, decoction.

APPERIL, peril.

APPLE-JOHN, APPLE-SQUIRE, pimp, pander.

APPLY, attach.

APPREHEND, take into custody.

APPREHENSIVE, quick of perception; able to perceive and appreciate.

APPROVE, prove, confirm.

APT, suit, adapt; train, prepare; dispose, incline.

APT(LY), suitable(y), opportune(ly).

APTITUDE, suitableness.

ARBOR, &quot;make the --,&quot; cut up the game (Gifford).

ARCHES, Court of Arches.

ARCHIE, Archibald Armstrong, jester to James I. and Charles I.

ARGAILE, argol, crust or sediment in wine casks.

ARGENT-VIVE, quicksilver.

ARGUMENT, plot of a drama; theme, subject; matter in question;
token, proof.

ARRIDE, please.

ARSEDINE, mixture of copper and zinc, used as an imitation of
gold-leaf.

ARTHUR, PRINCE, reference to an archery show by a society who
assumed arms, etc., of Arthur's knights.

ARTICLE, item.

ARTIFICIALLY, artfully.

ASCENSION, evaporation, distillation.

ASPIRE, try to reach, obtain, long for.

ASSALTO (Italian), assault.

ASSAY, draw a knife along the belly of the deer, a
ceremony of the hunting-field.

ASSOIL, solve.

ASSURE, secure possession or reversion of.

ATHANOR, a digesting furnace, calculated to keep up a
constant heat.

ATONE, reconcile.

ATTACH, attack, seize.

AUDACIOUS, having spirit and confidence.

AUTHENTIC(AL), of authority, authorised, trustworthy, genuine.

AVISEMENT, reflection, consideration.

AVOID, begone! get rid of.

AWAY WITH, endure.

AZOCH, Mercurius Philosophorum.

BABION, baboon.

BABY, doll.

BACK-SIDE, back premises.

BAFFLE, treat with contempt.

BAGATINE, Italian coin, worth about the third of a farthing.

BAIARD, horse of magic powers known to old romance.

BALDRICK, belt worn across the breast to support bugle, etc.

BALE (of dice), pair.

BALK, overlook, pass by, avoid.

BALLACE, ballast.

BALLOO, game at ball.

BALNEUM (BAIN MARIE), a vessel for holding hot water
in which other vessels are stood for heating.

BANBURY, &quot;brother of --,&quot; Puritan.

BANDOG, dog tied or chained up.

BANE, woe, ruin.

BANQUET, a light repast; dessert.

BARB, to clip gold.

BARBEL, fresh-water fish.

BARE, meer; bareheaded; it was &quot;a particular mark of state
and grandeur for the coachman to be uncovered&quot; (Gifford).

BARLEY-BREAK, game somewhat similar to base.

BASE, game of prisoner's base.

BASES, richly embroidered skirt reaching to the knees, or
lower.

BASILISK, fabulous reptile, believed to slay with its eye.

BASKET, used for the broken provision collected for prisoners.

BASON, basons, etc., were beaten by the attendant mob when
bad characters were &quot;carted.&quot;

BATE, be reduced; abate, reduce.

BATOON, baton, stick.

BATTEN, feed, grow fat.

BAWSON, badger.

BEADSMAN, prayer-man, one engaged to pray for another.

BEAGLE, small hound; fig. spy.

BEAR IN HAND, keep in suspense, deceive with false hopes.

BEARWARD, bear leader.

BEDPHERE.  See Phere.

BEDSTAFF, (?) wooden pin in the side of the bedstead for
supporting the bedclothes (Johnson); one of the sticks or
&quot;laths&quot;; a stick used in making a bed.

BEETLE, heavy mallet.

BEG, &quot;I'd -- him,&quot; the custody of minors and idiots was
begged for; likewise property fallen forfeit to the Crown
(&quot;your house had been begged&quot;).

BELL-MAN, night watchman.

BENJAMIN, an aromatic gum.

BERLINA, pillory.

BESCUMBER, defile.

BESLAVE, beslabber.

BESOGNO, beggar.

BESPAWLE, bespatter.

BETHLEHEM GABOR, Transylvanian hero, proclaimed King of Hungary.

BEVER, drinking.

BEVIS, SIR, knight of romance whose horse was equally celebrated.

BEWRAY, reveal, make known.

BEZANT, heraldic term: small gold circle.

BEZOAR'S STONE, a remedy known by this name was a
supposed antidote to poison.

BID-STAND, highwayman.

BIGGIN, cap, similar to that worn by the Beguines; nightcap.

BILIVE (belive), with haste.

BILK, nothing, empty talk.

BILL, kind of pike.

BILLET, wood cut for fuel, stick.

BIRDING, thieving.

BLACK SANCTUS, burlesque hymn, any unholy riot.

BLANK, originally a small French coin.

BLANK, white.

BLANKET, toss in a blanket.

BLAZE, outburst of violence.

BLAZE, (her.) blazon; publish abroad.

BLAZON, armorial bearings; fig. all that pertains to
good birth and breeding.

BLIN, &quot;withouten --,&quot; without ceasing.

BLOW, puff up.

BLUE, colour of servants' livery, hence &quot;-- order,&quot;
&quot;-- waiters.&quot;

BLUSHET, blushing one.

BOB, jest, taunt.

BOB, beat, thump.

BODGE, measure.

BODKIN, dagger, or other short, pointed weapon; long
pin with which the women fastened up their hair.

BOLT, roll (of material).

BOLT, dislodge, rout out; sift (boulting-tub).

BOLT'S-HEAD, long, straight-necked vessel for distillation.

BOMBARD SLOPS, padded, puffed-out breeches.

BONA ROBA, &quot;good, wholesome, plum-cheeked wench&quot; (Johnson)
-- not always used in compliment.

BONNY-CLABBER, sour butter-milk.

BOOKHOLDER, prompter.

BOOT, &quot;to --,&quot; into the bargain; &quot;no --,&quot; of no avail.

BORACHIO, bottle made of skin.

BORDELLO, brothel.

BORNE IT, conducted, carried it through.

BOTTLE (of hay), bundle, truss.

BOTTOM, skein or ball of thread; vessel.

BOURD, jest.

BOVOLI, snails or cockles dressed in the Italian manner
(Gifford).

BOW-POT, flower vase or pot.

BOYS, &quot;terrible --,&quot; &quot;angry --,&quot; roystering young bucks.
(See Nares).

BRABBLES (BRABBLESH), brawls.

BRACH, bitch.

BRADAMANTE, a heroine in &quot;Orlando Furioso.&quot;

BRADLEY, ARTHUR OF, a lively character commemorated in
ballads.

BRAKE, frame for confining a horse's feet while being
shod, or strong curb or bridle; trap.

BRANCHED, with &quot;detached sleeve ornaments, projecting
from the shoulders of the gown&quot; (Gifford).

BRANDISH, flourish of weapon.

BRASH, brace.

BRAVE, bravado, braggart speech.

BRAVE (adv.), gaily, finely (apparelled).

BRAVERIES, gallants.

BRAVERY, extravagant gaiety of apparel.

BRAVO, bravado, swaggerer.

BRAZEN-HEAD, speaking head made by Roger Bacon.

BREATHE, pause for relaxation; exercise.

BREATH UPON, speak dispraisingly of.

BREND, burn.

BRIDE-ALE, wedding feast.

BRIEF, abstract; (mus.) breve.

BRISK, smartly dressed.

BRIZE, breese, gadfly.

BROAD-SEAL, state seal.

BROCK, badger (term of contempt).

BROKE, transact business as a broker.

BROOK, endure, put up with.

BROUGHTON, HUGH, an English divine and Hebrew scholar.

BRUIT, rumour.

BUCK, wash.

BUCKLE, bend.

BUFF, leather made of buffalo skin, used for military
and serjeants' coats, etc.

BUFO, black tincture.

BUGLE, long-shaped bead.

BULLED, (?) bolled, swelled.

BULLIONS, trunk hose.

BULLY, term of familiar endearment.

BUNGY, Friar Bungay, who had a familiar in the shape of a dog.

BURDEN, refrain, chorus.

BURGONET, closely-fitting helmet with visor.

BURGULLION, braggadocio.

BURN, mark wooden measures (&quot;--ing of cans&quot;).

BURROUGH, pledge, security.

BUSKIN, half-boot, foot gear reaching high up the leg.

BUTT-SHAFT, barbless arrow for shooting at butts.

BUTTER, NATHANIEL (&quot;Staple of News&quot;), a compiler of general
news.  (See Cunningham).

BUTTERY-HATCH, half-door shutting off the buttery, where
provisions and liquors were stored.

BUY, &quot;he bought me,&quot; formerly the guardianship of wards
could be bought.

BUZ, exclamation to enjoin silence.

BUZZARD, simpleton.

BY AND BY, at once.

BY(E), &quot;on the __,&quot; incidentally, as of minor or secondary
importance; at the side.

BY-CHOP, by-blow, bastard.

CADUCEUS, Mercury's wand.

CALIVER, light kind of musket.

CALLET, woman of ill repute.

CALLOT, coif worn on the wigs of our judges or
serjeants-at-law (Gifford).

CALVERED, crimped, or sliced and pickled.  (See Nares).

CAMOUCCIO, wretch, knave.

CAMUSED, flat.

CAN, knows.

CANDLE-RENT, rent from house property.

CANDLE-WASTER, one who studies late.

CANTER, sturdy beggar.

CAP OF MAINTENCE, an insignia of dignity, a cap of state
borne before kings at their coronation; also an heraldic term.

CAPABLE, able to comprehend, fit to receive instruction,
impression.

CAPANEUS, one of the &quot;Seven against Thebes.&quot;

CARACT, carat, unit of weight for precious stones, etc.;
value, worth.

CARANZA, Spanish author of a book on duelling.

CARCANET, jewelled ornament for the neck.

CARE, take care; object.

CAROSH, coach, carriage.

CARPET, table-cover.

CARRIAGE, bearing, behaviour.

CARWHITCHET, quip, pun.

CASAMATE, casemate, fortress.

CASE, a pair.

CASE, &quot;in --,&quot; in condition.

CASSOCK, soldier's loose overcoat.

CAST, flight of hawks, couple.

CAST, throw dice; vomit; forecast, calculate.

CAST, cashiered.

CASTING-GLASS, bottle for sprinkling perfume.

CASTRIL, kestrel, falcon.

CAT, structure used in sieges.

CATAMITE, old form of &quot;ganymede.&quot;

CATASTROPHE, conclusion.

CATCHPOLE, sheriff's officer.

CATES, dainties, provisions.

CATSO, rogue, cheat.

CAUTELOUS, crafty, artful.

CENSURE, criticism; sentence.

CENSURE, criticise; pass sentence, doom.

CERUSE, cosmetic containing white lead.

CESS, assess.

CHANGE, &quot;hunt --,&quot; follow a fresh scent.

CHAPMAN, retail dealer.

CHARACTER, handwriting.

CHARGE, expense.

CHARM, subdue with magic, lay a spell on, silence.

CHARMING, exercising magic power.

CHARTEL, challenge.

CHEAP, bargain, market.

CHEAR, CHEER, comfort, encouragement; food, entertainment.

CHECK AT, aim reproof at.

CHEQUIN, gold Italian coin.

CHEVRIL, from kidskin, which is elastic and pliable.

CHIAUS, Turkish envoy; used for a cheat, swindler.

CHILDERMASS DAY, Innocents' Day.

CHOKE-BAIL, action which does not allow of bail.

CHRYSOPOEIA, alchemy.

CHRYSOSPERM, ways of producing gold.

CIBATION, adding fresh substances to supply the waste
of evaporation.

CIMICI, bugs.

CINOPER, cinnabar.

CIOPPINI, chopine, lady's high shoe.

CIRCLING BOY, &quot;a species of roarer; one who in some way
drew a man into a snare, to cheat or rob him&quot; (Nares).

CIRCUMSTANCE, circumlocution, beating about the bush;
ceremony, everything pertaining to a certain condition;
detail, particular.

CITRONISE, turn citron colour.

CITTERN, kind of guitar.

CITY-WIRES, woman of fashion, who made use of wires
for hair and dress.

CIVIL, legal.

CLAP, clack, chatter.

CLAPPER-DUDGEON, downright beggar.

CLAPS HIS DISH, a clap, or clack, dish (dish with a
movable lid) was carried by beggars and lepers to show
that the vessel was empty, and to give sound of their
approach.

CLARIDIANA, heroine of an old romance.

CLARISSIMO, Venetian noble.

CLEM, starve.

CLICKET, latch.

CLIM O' THE CLOUGHS, etc., wordy heroes of romance.

CLIMATE, country.

CLOSE, secret, private; secretive.

CLOSENESS, secrecy.

CLOTH, arras, hangings.

CLOUT, mark shot at, bull's eye.

CLOWN, countryman, clodhopper.

COACH-LEAVES, folding blinds.

COALS, &quot;bear no --,&quot; submit to no affront.

COAT-ARMOUR, coat of arms.

COAT-CARD, court-card.

COB-HERRING, HERRING-COB, a young herring.

COB-SWAN, male swan.

COCK-A-HOOP, denoting unstinted jollity; thought to
be derived from turning on the tap that all might
drink to the full of the flowing liquor.

COCKATRICE, reptile supposed to be produced from a
cock's egg and to kill by its eye -- used as a term
of reproach for a woman.

COCK-BRAINED, giddy, wild.

COCKER, pamper.

COCKSCOMB, fool's cap.

COCKSTONE, stone said to be found in a cock's
gizzard, and to possess particular virtues.

CODLING, softening by boiling.

COFFIN, raised crust of a pie.

COG, cheat, wheedle.

COIL, turmoil, confusion, ado.

COKELY, master of a puppet-show (Whalley).

COKES, fool, gull.

COLD-CONCEITED, having cold opinion of, coldly
affected towards.

COLE-HARBOUR, a retreat for people of all sorts.

COLLECTION, composure; deduction.

COLLOP, small slice, piece of flesh.

COLLY, blacken.

COLOUR, pretext.

COLOURS, &quot;fear no --,&quot; no enemy (quibble).

COLSTAFF, cowlstaff, pole for carrying a cowl=tub.

COME ABOUT, charge, turn round.

COMFORTABLE BREAD, spiced gingerbread.

COMING, forward, ready to respond, complaisant.

COMMENT, commentary; &quot;sometime it is taken for a lie
or fayned tale&quot; (Bullokar, 1616).

COMMODITY, &quot;current for --,&quot; allusion to practice of
money-lenders, who forced the borrower to take part of
the loan in the shape of worthless goods on which the
latter had to make money if he could.

COMMUNICATE, share.

COMPASS, &quot;in --,&quot; within the range, sphere.

COMPLEMENT, completion, completement; anything
required for the perfecting or carrying out of
a person or affair; accomplishment.

COMPLEXION, natural disposition, constitution.

COMPLIMENT, See Complement.

COMPLIMENTARIES, masters of accomplishments.

COMPOSITION, constitution; agreement, contract.

COMPOSURE, composition.

COMPTER, COUNTER, debtors' prison.

CONCEALMENT, a certain amount of church property
had been retained at the dissolution of the monasteries;
Elizabeth sent commissioners to search it out, and the
courtiers begged for it.

CONCEIT, idea, fancy, witty invention, conception, opinion.

CONCEIT, apprehend.

CONCEITED, fancifully, ingeniously devised or conceived;
possessed of intelligence, witty, ingenious (hence well
conceited, etc.); disposed to joke; of opinion, possessed
of an idea.

CONCEIVE, understand.

CONCENT, harmony, agreement.

CONCLUDE, infer, prove.

CONCOCT, assimilate, digest.

CONDEN'T, probably conducted.

CONDUCT, escort, conductor.

CONEY-CATCH, cheat.

CONFECT, sweetmeat.

CONFER, compare.

CONGIES, bows.

CONNIVE, give a look, wink, of secret intelligence.


CONSORT, company, concert.

CONSTANCY, fidelity, ardour, persistence.

CONSTANT, confirmed, persistent, faithful.

CONSTANTLY, firmly, persistently.

CONTEND, strive.

CONTINENT, holding together.

CONTROL (the point), bear or beat down.

CONVENT, assembly, meeting.

CONVERT, turn (oneself).

CONVEY, transmit from one to another.

CONVINCE, evince, prove; overcome, overpower; convict.

COP, head, top; tuft on head of birds; &quot;a cop&quot; may
have reference to one or other meaning; Gifford and
others interpret as &quot;conical, terminating in a point.&quot;

COPE-MAN, chapman.

COPESMATE, companion.

COPY (Lat. copia), abundance, copiousness.

CORN (&quot;powder --&quot;), grain.

COROLLARY, finishing part or touch.

CORSIVE, corrosive.

CORTINE, curtain, (arch.) wall between two towers, etc.

CORYAT, famous for his travels, published as &quot;Coryat's
Crudities.&quot;

COSSET, pet lamb, pet.

COSTARD, head.

COSTARD-MONGER, apple-seller, coster-monger.

COSTS, ribs.

COTE, hut.

COTHURNAL, from &quot;cothurnus,&quot; a particular boot worn by
actors in Greek tragedy.

COTQUEAN, hussy.

COUNSEL, secret.

COUNTENANCE, means necessary for support; credit, standing.

COUNTER.  See Compter.

COUNTER, pieces of metal or ivory for calculating at play.

COUNTER, &quot;hunt --,&quot; follow scent in reverse direction.

COUNTERFEIT, false coin.

COUNTERPANE, one part or counterpart of a deed or indenture.

COUNTERPOINT, opposite, contrary point.

COURT-DISH, a kind of drinking-cup (Halliwell); N.E.D.
quotes from Bp. Goodman's &quot;Court of James I.&quot;: &quot;The
king...caused his carver to cut him out a court-dish,
that is, something of every dish, which he sent him as
part of his reversion,&quot; but this does not sound like
short allowance or small receptacle.

COURT-DOR, fool.

COURTEAU, curtal, small horse with docked tail.

COURTSHIP, courtliness.

COVETISE, avarice.

COWSHARD, cow dung.

COXCOMB, fool's cap, fool.

COY, shrink; disdain.

COYSTREL, low varlet.

COZEN, cheat.

CRACK, lively young rogue, wag.

CRACK, crack up, boast; come to grief.

CRAMBE, game of crambo, in which the players find
rhymes for a given word.

CRANCH, craunch.

CRANION, spider-like; also fairy appellation for a
fly (Gifford, who refers to lines in Drayton's
&quot;Nimphidia&quot;).

CRIMP, game at cards.

CRINCLE, draw back, turn aside.

CRISPED, with curled or waved hair.

CROP, gather, reap.

CROPSHIRE, a kind of herring.  (See N.E.D.)

CROSS, any piece of money, many coins being stamped
with a cross.

CROSS AND PILE, heads and tails.

CROSSLET, crucible.

CROWD, fiddle.

CRUDITIES, undigested matter.

CRUMP, curl up.

CRUSADO, Portuguese gold coin, marked with a cross.

CRY (&quot;he that cried Italian&quot;), &quot;speak in a musical
cadence,&quot; intone, or declaim (?); cry up.

CUCKING-STOOL, used for the ducking of scolds, etc.

CUCURBITE, a gourd-shaped vessel used for distillation.

CUERPO, &quot;in --,&quot; in undress.

CULLICE, broth.

CULLION, base fellow, coward.

CULLISEN, badge worn on their arm by servants.

CULVERIN, kind of cannon.

CUNNING, skill.

CUNNING, skilful.

CUNNING-MAN, fortune-teller.

CURE, care for.

CURIOUS(LY), scrupulous, particular; elaborate,
elegant(ly), dainty(ly) (hence &quot;in curious&quot;).

CURST, shrewish, mischievous.

CURTAL, dog with docked tail, of inferior sort.

CUSTARD, &quot;quaking --,&quot; &quot; -- politic,&quot; reference to
a large custard which formed part of a city feast
and afforded huge entertainment, for the fool jumped
into it, and other like tricks were played.  (See
&quot;All's Well, etc.&quot; ii. 5, 40.)

CUTWORK, embroidery, open-work.

CYPRES (CYPRUS) (quibble), cypress (or cyprus) being
a transparent material, and when black used for mourning.

DAGGER (&quot; -- frumety&quot;), name of tavern.

DARGISON, apparently some person known in ballad or tale.

DAUPHIN MY BOY, refrain of old comic song.

DAW, daunt.

DEAD LIFT, desperate emergency.

DEAR, applied to that which in any way touches us nearly.

DECLINE, turn off from; turn away, aside.

DEFALK, deduct, abate.

DEFEND, forbid.

DEGENEROUS, degenerate.

DEGREES, steps.

DELATE, accuse.

DEMI-CULVERIN, cannon carrying a ball of about ten pounds.

DENIER, the smallest possible coin, being the twelfth
part of a sou.

DEPART, part with.

DEPENDANCE, ground of quarrel in duello language.

DESERT, reward.

DESIGNMENT, design.

DESPERATE, rash, reckless.

DETECT, allow to be detected, betray, inform against.

DETERMINE, terminate.

DETRACT, draw back, refuse.

DEVICE, masque, show; a thing moved by wires,
etc., puppet.

DEVISE, exact in every particular.

DEVISED, invented.

DIAPASM, powdered aromatic herbs, made into balls
of perfumed paste.  (See Pomander.)

DIBBLE, (?) moustache (N.E.D.); (?) dagger (Cunningham).

DIFFUSED, disordered, scattered, irregular.

DIGHT, dressed.

DILDO, refrain of popular songs; vague term of low meaning.

DIMBLE, dingle, ravine.

DIMENSUM, stated allowance.

DISBASE, debase.

DISCERN, distinguish, show a difference between.

DISCHARGE, settle for.

DISCIPLINE, reformation; ecclesiastical system.

DISCLAIM, renounce all part in.

DISCOURSE, process of reasoning, reasoning faculty.

DISCOURTSHIP, discourtesy.

DISCOVER, betray, reveal; display.

DISFAVOUR, disfigure.

DISPARAGEMENT, legal term applied to the unfitness
in any way of a marriage arranged for in the case
of wards.

DISPENSE WITH, grant dispensation for.

DISPLAY, extend.

DIS'PLE, discipline, teach by the whip.

DISPOSED, inclined to merriment.

DISPOSURE, disposal.

DISPRISE, depreciate.

DISPUNCT, not punctilious.

DISQUISITION, search.

DISSOLVED, enervated by grief.

DISTANCE, (?) proper measure.

DISTASTE, offence, cause of offence.

DISTASTE, render distasteful.

DISTEMPERED, upset, out of humour.

DIVISION (mus.), variation, modulation.

DOG-BOLT, term of contempt.

DOLE, given in dole, charity.

DOLE OF FACES, distribution of grimaces.

DOOM, verdict, sentence.

DOP, dip, low bow.

DOR, beetle, buzzing insect, drone, idler.

DOR, (?) buzz; &quot;give the --,&quot; make a fool of.

DOSSER, pannier, basket.

DOTES, endowments, qualities.

DOTTEREL, plover; gull, fool.

DOUBLE, behave deceitfully.

DOXY, wench, mistress.

DRACHM, Greek silver coin.

DRESS, groom, curry.

DRESSING, coiffure.

DRIFT, intention.

DRYFOOT, track by mere scent of foot.

DUCKING, punishment for minor offences.

DUILL, grieve.

DUMPS, melancholy, originally a mournful melody.

DURINDANA, Orlando's sword.

DWINDLE, shrink away, be overawed.

EAN, yean, bring forth young.

EASINESS, readiness.

EBOLITION, ebullition.

EDGE, sword.

EECH, eke.

EGREGIOUS, eminently excellent.

EKE, also, moreover.

E-LA, highest note in the scale.

EGGS ON THE SPIT, important business on hand.

ELF-LOCK, tangled hair, supposed to be the work of elves.

EMMET, ant.

ENGAGE, involve.

ENGHLE.  See Ingle.

ENGHLE, cajole; fondle.

ENGIN(E), device, contrivance; agent; ingenuity, wit.

ENGINER, engineer, deviser, plotter.

ENGINOUS, crafty, full of devices; witty, ingenious.

ENGROSS, monopolise.

ENS, an existing thing, a substance.

ENSIGNS, tokens, wounds.

ENSURE, assure.

ENTERTAIN, take into service.

ENTREAT, plead.

ENTREATY, entertainment.

ENTRY, place where a deer has lately passed.

ENVOY, denouement, conclusion.

ENVY, spite, calumny, dislike, odium.

EPHEMERIDES, calendars.

EQUAL, just, impartial.

ERECTION, elevation in esteem.

ERINGO, candied root of the sea-holly, formerly
used as a sweetmeat and aphrodisiac.

ERRANT, arrant.

ESSENTIATE, become assimilated.

ESTIMATION, esteem.

ESTRICH, ostrich.

ETHNIC, heathen.

EURIPUS, flux and reflux.

EVEN, just equable.

EVENT, fate, issue.

EVENT(ED), issue(d).

EVERT, overturn.

EXACUATE, sharpen.

EXAMPLESS, without example or parallel.

EXCALIBUR, King Arthur's sword.

EXEMPLIFY, make an example of.

EXEMPT, separate, exclude.

EXEQUIES, obsequies.

EXHALE, drag out.

EXHIBITION, allowance for keep, pocket-money.

EXORBITANT, exceeding limits of propriety or law,
inordinate.

EXORNATION, ornament.

EXPECT, wait.

EXPIATE, terminate.

EXPLICATE, explain, unfold.

EXTEMPORAL, extempore, unpremeditated.

EXTRACTION, essence.

EXTRAORDINARY, employed for a special or temporary purpose.

EXTRUDE, expel.

EYE, &quot;in --,&quot; in view.

EYEBRIGHT, (?) a malt liquor in which the herb of
this name was infused, or a person who sold the same
(Gifford).

EYE-TINGE, least shade or gleam.

FACE, appearance.

FACES ABOUT, military word of command.

FACINOROUS, extremely wicked.

FACKINGS, faith.

FACT, deed, act, crime.

FACTIOUS, seditious, belonging to a party, given to party feeling.

FAECES, dregs.

FAGIOLI, French beans.

FAIN, forced, necessitated.

FAITHFUL, believing.

FALL, ruff or band turned back on the shoulders; or, veil.

FALSIFY, feign (fencing term).

FAME, report.

FAMILIAR, attendant spirit.

FANTASTICAL, capricious, whimsical.

FARCE, stuff.

FAR-FET.  See Fet.

FARTHINGAL, hooped petticoat.

FAUCET, tapster.

FAULT, lack; loss, break in line of scent; &quot;for --,&quot; in default of.

FAUTOR, partisan.

FAYLES, old table game similar to backgammon.

FEAR(ED), affright(ed).

FEAT, activity, operation; deed, action.

FEAT, elegant, trim.

FEE, &quot;in --&quot; by feudal obligation.

FEIZE, beat, belabour.

FELLOW, term of contempt.

FENNEL, emblem of flattery.

FERE, companion, fellow.

FERN-SEED, supposed to have power of rendering invisible.

FET, fetched.

FETCH, trick.

FEUTERER (Fr. vautrier), dog-keeper.

FEWMETS, dung.

FICO, fig.

FIGGUM, (?) jugglery.

FIGMENT, fiction, invention.

FIRK, frisk, move suddenly, or in jerks; &quot;-- up,&quot;
stir up, rouse; &quot;firks mad,&quot; suddenly behaves like
a madman.

FIT, pay one out, punish.

FITNESS, readiness.

FITTON (FITTEN), lie, invention.

FIVE-AND-FIFTY, &quot;highest number to stand on at
primero&quot; (Gifford).

FLAG, to fly low and waveringly.

FLAGON CHAIN, for hanging a smelling-bottle (Fr.
flacon) round the neck (?).  (See N.E.D.).

FLAP-DRAGON, game similar to snap-dragon.

FLASKET, some kind of basket.

FLAW, sudden gust or squall of wind.

FLAWN, custard.

FLEA, catch fleas.

FLEER, sneer, laugh derisively.

FLESH, feed a hawk or dog with flesh to incite
it to the chase; initiate in blood-shed; satiate.

FLICKER-MOUSE, bat.

FLIGHT, light arrow.

FLITTER-MOUSE, bat.

FLOUT, mock, speak and act contemptuously.

FLOWERS, pulverised substance.

FLY, familiar spirit.

FOIL, weapon used in fencing; that which
sets anything off to advantage.

FOIST, cut-purse, sharper.

FOND(LY), foolish(ly).

FOOT-CLOTH, housings of ornamental cloth which
hung down on either side a horse to the ground.

FOOTING, foothold; footstep; dancing.

FOPPERY, foolery.

FOR, &quot;-- failing,&quot; for fear of failing.

FORBEAR, bear with; abstain from.

FORCE, &quot;hunt at --,&quot; run the game down with dogs.

FOREHEAD, modesty; face, assurance, effrontery.

FORESLOW, delay.

FORESPEAK, bewitch; foretell.

FORETOP, front lock of hair which fashion
required to be worn upright.

FORGED, fabricated.

FORM, state formally.

FORMAL, shapely; normal; conventional.

FORTHCOMING, produced when required.

FOUNDER, disable with over-riding.

FOURM, form, lair.

FOX, sword.

FRAIL, rush basket in which figs or raisins
were packed.

FRAMPULL, peevish, sour-tempered.

FRAPLER, blusterer, wrangler.

FRAYING, &quot;a stag is said to fray his head when he
rubs it against a tree to...cause the outward coat
of the new horns to fall off&quot; (Gifford).

FREIGHT (of the gazetti), burden (of the newspapers).

FREQUENT, full.

FRICACE, rubbing.

FRICATRICE, woman of low character.

FRIPPERY, old clothes shop.

FROCK, smock-frock.

FROLICS, (?) humorous verses circulated at a feast
(N.E.D.); couplets wrapped round sweetmeats (Cunningham).

FRONTLESS, shameless.

FROTED, rubbed.

FRUMETY, hulled wheat boiled in milk and spiced.

FRUMP, flout, sneer.

FUCUS, dye.

FUGEAND, (?) figent: fidgety, restless (N.E.D.).

FULLAM, false dice.

FULMART, polecat.

FULSOME, foul, offensive.

FURIBUND, raging, furious.

GALLEY-FOIST, city-barge, used on Lord Mayor's Day,
when he was sworn into his office at Westminster
(Whalley).

GALLIARD, lively dance in triple time.

GAPE, be eager after.

GARAGANTUA, Rabelais' giant.

GARB, sheaf (Fr. gerbe); manner, fashion, behaviour.

GARD, guard, trimming, gold or silver lace, or other
ornament.

GARDED, faced or trimmed.

GARNISH, fee.

GAVEL-KIND, name of a land-tenure existing chiefly in
Kent; from 16th century often used to denote custom
of dividing a deceased man's property equally among
his sons (N.E.D.).

GAZETTE, small Venetian coin worth about three-farthings.

GEANCE, jaunt, errand.

GEAR (GEER), stuff, matter, affair.

GELID, frozen.

GEMONIES, steps from which the bodies of criminals
were thrown into the river.

GENERAL, free, affable.

GENIUS, attendant spirit.

GENTRY, gentlemen; manners characteristic of gentry,
good breeding.

GIB-CAT, tom-cat.

GIGANTOMACHIZE, start a giants' war.

GIGLOT, wanton.

GIMBLET, gimlet.

GING, gang.

GLASS (&quot;taking in of shadows, etc.&quot;), crystal or beryl.

GLEEK, card game played by three; party of three, trio;
side glance.

GLICK (GLEEK), jest, gibe.

GLIDDER, glaze.

GLORIOUSLY, of vain glory.

GODWIT, bird of the snipe family.

GOLD-END-MAN, a buyer of broken gold and silver.

GOLL, hand.

GONFALIONIER, standard-bearer, chief magistrate, etc.

GOOD, sound in credit.

GOOD-YEAR, good luck.

GOOSE-TURD, colour of.  (See Turd).

GORCROW, carrion crow.

GORGET, neck armour.

GOSSIP, godfather.

GOWKED, from &quot;gowk,&quot; to stand staring and gaping like
a fool.

GRANNAM, grandam.

GRASS, (?) grease, fat.

GRATEFUL, agreeable, welcome.

GRATIFY, give thanks to.

GRATITUDE, gratuity.

GRATULATE, welcome, congratulate.

GRAVITY, dignity.

GRAY, badger.

GRICE, cub.

GRIEF, grievance.

GRIPE, vulture, griffin.

GRIPE'S EGG, vessel in shape of.

GROAT, fourpence.

GROGRAN, coarse stuff made of silk and mohair, or of
coarse silk.

GROOM-PORTER, officer in the royal household.

GROPE, handle, probe.

GROUND, pit (hence &quot;grounded judgments&quot;).

GUARD, caution, heed.

GUARDANT, heraldic term: turning the head only.

GUILDER, Dutch coin worth about 4d.

GULES, gullet, throat; heraldic term for red.

GULL, simpleton, dupe.

GUST, taste.

HAB NAB, by, on, chance.

HABERGEON, coat of mail.

HAGGARD, wild female hawk; hence coy, wild.

HALBERD, combination of lance and battle-axe.

HALL, &quot;a --!&quot; a cry to clear the room for the dancers.

HANDSEL, first money taken.

HANGER, loop or strap on a sword-belt from which the
sword was suspended.

HAP, fortune, luck.

HAPPILY, haply.

HAPPINESS, appropriateness, fitness.

HAPPY, rich.

HARBOUR, track, trace (an animal) to its shelter.

HARD-FAVOURED, harsh-featured.

HARPOCRATES, Horus the child, son of Osiris, figured
with a finger pointing to his mouth, indicative of
silence.

HARRINGTON, a patent was granted to Lord H. for the
coinage of tokens (q.v.).

HARROT, herald.

HARRY NICHOLAS, founder of a community called the
&quot;Family of Love.&quot;

HAY, net for catching rabbits, etc.

HAY! (Ital. hai!), you have it (a fencing term).

HAY IN HIS HORN, ill-tempered person.

HAZARD, game at dice; that which is staked.

HEAD, &quot;first --,&quot; young deer with antlers first
sprouting; fig. a newly-ennobled man.

HEADBOROUGH, constable.

HEARKEN AFTER, inquire; &quot;hearken out,&quot; find, search out.

HEARTEN, encourage.

HEAVEN AND HELL (&quot;Alchemist&quot;), names of taverns.

HECTIC, fever.

HEDGE IN, include.

HELM, upper part of a retort.

HER'NSEW, hernshaw, heron.

HIERONIMO (JERONIMO), hero of Kyd's &quot;Spanish Tragedy.&quot;

HOBBY, nag.

HOBBY-HORSE, imitation horse of some light material,
fastened round the waist of the morrice-dancer, who
imitated the movements of a skittish horse.

HODDY-DODDY, fool.

HOIDEN, hoyden, formerly applied to both sexes (ancient
term for leveret?  Gifford).

HOLLAND, name of two famous chemists.

HONE AND HONERO, wailing expressions of lament or discontent.

HOOD-WINK'D, blindfolded.

HORARY, hourly.

HORN-MAD, stark mad (quibble).

HORN-THUMB, cut-purses were in the habit of wearing a horn
shield on the thumb.

HORSE-BREAD-EATING, horses were often fed on coarse bread.

HORSE-COURSER, horse-dealer.

HOSPITAL, Christ's Hospital.

HOWLEGLAS, Eulenspiegel, the hero of a popular German
tale which relates his buffooneries and knavish tricks.

HUFF, hectoring, arrogance.

HUFF IT, swagger.

HUISHER (Fr. huissier), usher.

HUM, beer and spirits mixed together.

HUMANITIAN, humanist, scholar.

HUMOROUS, capricious, moody, out of humour; moist.

HUMOUR, a word used in and out of season in the time
of Shakespeare and Ben Jonson, and ridiculed by both.

HUMOURS, manners.

HUMPHREY, DUKE, those who were dinnerless spent the
dinner-hour in a part of St. Paul's where stood a
monument said to be that of the duke's; hence &quot;dine
with Duke Humphrey,&quot; to go hungry.

HURTLESS, harmless.

IDLE, useless, unprofitable.

ILL-AFFECTED, ill-disposed.

ILL-HABITED, unhealthy.

ILLUSTRATE, illuminate.

IMBIBITION, saturation, steeping.

IMBROCATA, fencing term: a thrust in tierce.

IMPAIR, impairment.

IMPART, give money.

IMPARTER, any one ready to be cheated and to part
with his money.

IMPEACH, damage.

IMPERTINENCIES, irrelevancies.

IMPERTINENT(LY), irrelevant(ly), without reason or purpose.

IMPOSITION, duty imposed by.

IMPOTENTLY, beyond power of control.

IMPRESS, money in advance.

IMPULSION, incitement.

IN AND IN, a game played by two or three persons
with four dice.

INCENSE, incite, stir up.

INCERATION, act of covering with wax; or reducing
a substance to softness of wax.

INCH, &quot;to their --es,&quot; according to their stature,
capabilities.

INCH-PIN, sweet-bread.

INCONVENIENCE, inconsistency, absurdity.

INCONY, delicate, rare (used as a term of affection).

INCUBEE, incubus.

INCUBUS, evil spirit that oppresses us in sleep, nightmare.

INCURIOUS, unfastidious, uncritical.

INDENT, enter into engagement.

INDIFFERENT, tolerable, passable.

INDIGESTED, shapeless, chaotic.

INDUCE, introduce.

INDUE, supply.

INEXORABLE, relentless.

INFANTED, born, produced.

INFLAME, augment charge.

INGENIOUS, used indiscriminantly for ingenuous;
intelligent, talented.

INGENUITY, ingenuousness.

INGENUOUS, generous.

INGINE.  See Engin.

INGINER, engineer.  (See Enginer).

INGLE, OR ENGHLE, bosom friend, intimate, minion.

INHABITABLE, uninhabitable.

INJURY, insult, affront.

IN-MATE, resident, indwelling.

INNATE, natural.

INNOCENT, simpleton.

INQUEST, jury, or other official body of inquiry.

INQUISITION, inquiry.

INSTANT, immediate.

INSTRUMENT, legal document.

INSURE, assure.

INTEGRATE, complete, perfect.

INTELLIGENCE, secret information, news.

INTEND, note carefully, attend, give ear to, be
occupied with.

INTENDMENT, intention.

INTENT, intention, wish.

INTENTION, concentration of attention or gaze.

INTENTIVE, attentive.

INTERESSED, implicated.

INTRUDE, bring in forcibly or without leave.

INVINCIBLY, invisibly.

INWARD, intimate.

IRPE (uncertain), &quot;a fantastic grimace, or contortion
of the body: (Gifford).

JACK, Jack o' the clock, automaton figure that strikes
the hour; Jack-a-lent, puppet thrown at in Lent.

JACK, key of a virginal.

JACOB'S STAFF, an instrument for taking altitudes and
distances.

JADE, befool.

JEALOUSY, JEALOUS, suspicion, suspicious.

JERKING, lashing.

JEW'S TRUMP, Jew's harp.

JIG, merry ballad or tune; a fanciful dialogue or
light comic act introduced at the end or during an
interlude of a play.

JOINED (JOINT)-STOOL, folding stool.

JOLL, jowl.

JOLTHEAD, blockhead.

JUMP, agree, tally.

JUST YEAR, no one was capable of the consulship until
he was forty-three.

KELL, cocoon.

KELLY, an alchemist.

KEMB, comb.

KEMIA, vessel for distillation.

KIBE, chap, sore.

KILDERKIN, small barrel.

KILL, kiln.

KIND, nature; species; &quot;do one's --,&quot; act according
to one's nature.

KIRTLE, woman's gown of jacket and petticoat.

KISS OR DRINK AFORE ME, &quot;this is a familiar expression,
employed when what the speaker is just about to say is
anticipated by another&quot; (Gifford).

KIT, fiddle.

KNACK, snap, click.

KNIPPER-DOLING, a well-known Anabaptist.

KNITTING CUP, marriage cup.

KNOCKING, striking, weighty.

KNOT, company, band; a sandpiper or robin snipe (Tringa
canutus); flower-bed laid out in fanciful design.

KURSINED, KYRSIN, christened.

LABOURED, wrought with labour and care.

LADE, load(ed).

LADING, load.

LAID, plotted.

LANCE-KNIGHT (Lanzknecht), a German mercenary foot-soldier.

LAP, fold.

LAR, household god.

LARD, garnish.

LARGE, abundant.

LARUM, alarum, call to arms.

LATTICE, tavern windows were furnished with lattices of
various colours.

LAUNDER, to wash gold in aqua regia, so as imperceptibly
to extract some of it.

LAVE, ladle, bale.

LAW, &quot;give --,&quot; give a start (term of chase).

LAXATIVE, loose.

LAY ABOARD, run alongside generally with intent to board.

LEAGUER, siege, or camp of besieging army.

LEASING, lying.

LEAVE, leave off, desist.

LEER, leering or &quot;empty, hence, perhaps, leer horse,
a horse without a rider; leer is an adjective meaning
uncontrolled, hence 'leer drunkards'&quot; (Halliwell);
according to Nares, a leer (empty) horse meant also a
led horse; leeward, left.

LEESE, lose.

LEGS, &quot;make --,&quot; do obeisance.

LEIGER, resident representative.

LEIGERITY, legerdemain.

LEMMA, subject proposed, or title of the epigram.

LENTER, slower.

LET, hinder.

LET, hindrance.

LEVEL COIL, a rough game...in which one hunted
another from his seat.  Hence used for any noisy
riot (Halliwell).

LEWD, ignorant.

LEYSTALLS, receptacles of filth.

LIBERAL, ample.

LIEGER, ledger, register.

LIFT(ING), steal(ing); theft.

LIGHT, alight.

LIGHTLY, commonly, usually, often.

LIKE, please.

LIKELY, agreeable, pleasing.

LIME-HOUND, leash-, blood-hound.

LIMMER, vile, worthless.

LIN, leave off.

Line, &quot;by --,&quot; by rule.

LINSTOCK, staff to stick in the ground, with forked
head to hold a lighted match for firing cannon.

LIQUID, clear.

LIST, listen, hark; like, please.

LIVERY, legal term, delivery of the possession, etc.

LOGGET, small log, stick.

LOOSE, solution; upshot, issue; release of an arrow.

LOSE, give over, desist from; waste.

LOUTING, bowing, cringing.

LUCULENT, bright of beauty.

LUDGATHIANS, dealers on Ludgate Hill.

LURCH, rob, cheat.

LUTE, to close a vessel with some kind of cement.

MACK, unmeaning expletive.

MADGE-HOWLET or OWL, barn-owl.

MAIM, hurt, injury.

MAIN, chief concern (used as a quibble on heraldic
term for &quot;hand&quot;).

MAINPRISE, becoming surety for a prisoner so as to
procure his release.

MAINTENANCE, giving aid, or abetting.

MAKE, mate.

MAKE, MADE, acquaint with business, prepare(d), instruct(ed).

MALLANDERS, disease of horses.

MALT HORSE, dray horse.

MAMMET, puppet.

MAMMOTHREPT, spoiled child.

MANAGE, control (term used for breaking-in horses);
handling, administration.

MANGO, slave-dealer.

MANGONISE, polish up for sale.

MANIPLES, bundles, handfuls.

MANKIND, masculine, like a virago.

MANKIND, humanity.

MAPLE FACE, spotted face (N.E.D.).

MARCHPANE, a confection of almonds, sugar, etc.

MARK, &quot;fly to the --,&quot; &quot;generally said of a goshawk
when, having 'put in' a covey of partridges, she takes
stand, marking the spot where they disappeared from
view until the falconer arrives to put them out to her&quot;
(Harting, Bibl. Accip. Gloss. 226).

MARLE, marvel.

MARROW-BONE MAN, one often on his knees for prayer.

MARRY! exclamation derived from the Virgin's name.

MARRY GIP, &quot;probably originated from By Mary Gipcy =
St. Mary of Egypt, (N.E.D.).

MARTAGAN, Turk's cap lily.

MARYHINCHCO, stringhalt.

MASORETH, Masora, correct form of the scriptural text
according to Hebrew tradition.

MASS, abb. for master.

MAUND, beg.

MAUTHER, girl, maid.

MEAN, moderation.

MEASURE, dance, more especially a stately one.

MEAT, &quot;carry -- in one's mouth,&quot; be a source of money
or entertainment.

MEATH, metheglin.

MECHANICAL, belonging to mechanics, mean, vulgar.

MEDITERRANEO, middle aisle of St. Paul's, a general
resort for business and amusement.

MEET WITH, even with.

MELICOTTON, a late kind of peach.

MENSTRUE, solvent.

MERCAT, market.

MERD, excrement.

MERE, undiluted; absolute, unmitigated.

MESS, party of four.

METHEGLIN, fermented liquor, of which one ingredient
was honey.

METOPOSCOPY, study of physiognomy.

MIDDLING GOSSIP, go-between.

MIGNIARD, dainty, delicate.

MILE-END, training-ground of the city.

MINE-MEN, sappers.

MINION, form of cannon.

MINSITIVE, (?) mincing, affected (N.E.D.).

MISCELLANY MADAM, &quot;a female trader in miscellaneous
articles; a dealer in trinkets or ornaments of various
kinds, such as kept shops in the New Exchange&quot; (Nares).

MISCELLINE, mixed grain; medley.

MISCONCEIT, misconception.

MISPRISE, MISPRISION, mistake, misunderstanding.

MISTAKE AWAY, carry away as if by mistake.

MITHRIDATE, an antidote against poison.

MOCCINIGO, small Venetian coin, worth about ninepence.

MODERN, in the mode; ordinary, commonplace.

MOMENT, force or influence of value.

MONTANTO, upward stroke.

MONTH'S MIND, violent desire.

MOORISH, like a moor or waste.

MORGLAY, sword of Bevis of Southampton.

MORRICE-DANCE, dance on May Day, etc., in which
certain personages were represented.

MORTALITY, death.

MORT-MAL, old sore, gangrene.

MOSCADINO, confection flavoured with musk.

MOTHER, Hysterica passio.

MOTION, proposal, request; puppet, puppet-show;
&quot;one of the small figures on the face of a large
clock which was moved by the vibration of the
pendulum&quot; (Whalley).

MOTION, suggest, propose.

MOTLEY, parti-coloured dress of a fool; hence
used to signify pertaining to, or like, a fool.

MOTTE, motto.

MOURNIVAL, set of four aces or court cards in a hand;
a quartette.

MOW, setord hay or sheaves of grain.

MUCH! expressive of irony and incredulity.

MUCKINDER, handkerchief.

MULE, &quot;born to ride on --,&quot; judges or serjeants-at-law
formerly rode on mules when going in state to Westminster
(Whally).

MULLETS, small pincers.

MUM-CHANCE, game of chance, played in silence.

MUN, must.

MUREY, dark crimson red.

MUSCOVY-GLASS, mica.

MUSE, wonder.

MUSICAL, in harmony.

MUSS, mouse; scramble.

MYROBOLANE, foreign conserve, &quot;a dried plum, brought
from the Indies.&quot;

MYSTERY, art, trade, profession.

NAIL, &quot;to the --&quot; (ad unguem), to perfection, to the
very utmost.

NATIVE, natural.

NEAT, cattle.

NEAT, smartly apparelled; unmixed; dainty.

NEATLY, neatly finished.

NEATNESS, elegance.

NEIS, nose, scent.

NEUF (NEAF, NEIF), fist.

NEUFT, newt.

NIAISE, foolish, inexperienced person.

NICE, fastidious, trivial, finical, scrupulous.

NICENESS, fastidiousness.

NICK, exact amount; right moment; &quot;set in the --,&quot;
meaning uncertain.

NICE, suit, fit; hit, seize the right moment, etc.,
exactly hit on, hit off.

NOBLE, gold coin worth 6s. 8d.

NOCENT, harmful.

NIL, not will.

NOISE, company of musicians.

NOMENTACK, an Indian chief from Virginia.

NONES, nonce.

NOTABLE, egregious.

NOTE, sign, token.

NOUGHT, &quot;be --,&quot; go to the devil, be hanged, etc.

NOWT-HEAD, blockhead.

NUMBER, rhythm.

NUPSON, oaf, simpleton.

OADE, woad.

OBARNI, preparation of mead.

OBJECT, oppose; expose; interpose.

OBLATRANT, barking, railing.

OBNOXIOUS, liable, exposed; offensive.

OBSERVANCE, homage, devoted service.

OBSERVANT, attentive, obsequious.

OBSERVE, show deference, respect.

OBSERVER, one who shows deference, or waits upon another.

OBSTANCY, legal phrase, &quot;juridical opposition.&quot;

OBSTREPEROUS, clamorous, vociferous.

OBSTUPEFACT, stupefied.

ODLING, (?) &quot;must have some relation to tricking and
cheating&quot; (Nares).

OMINOUS, deadly, fatal.

ONCE, at once; for good and all; used also for additional
emphasis.

ONLY, pre-eminent, special.

OPEN, make public; expound.

OPPILATION, obstruction.

OPPONE, oppose.

OPPOSITE, antagonist.

OPPRESS, suppress.

ORIGINOUS, native.

ORT, remnant, scrap.

OUT, &quot;to be --,&quot; to have forgotten one's part;
not at one with each other.

OUTCRY, sale by auction.

OUTRECUIDANCE, arrogance, presumption.

OUTSPEAK, speak more than.

OVERPARTED, given too difficult a part to play.

OWLSPIEGEL.  See Howleglass.

OYEZ!  (O YES!), hear ye! call of the public crier
when about to make a proclamation.

PACKING PENNY, &quot;give a --,&quot; dismiss, send packing.

PAD, highway.

PAD-HORSE, road-horse.

PAINED (PANED) SLOPS, full breeches made of strips
of different colour and material.

PAINFUL, diligent, painstaking.

PAINT, blush.

PALINODE, ode of recantation.

PALL, weaken, dim, make stale.

PALM, triumph.

PAN, skirt of dress or coat.

PANNEL, pad, or rough kind of saddle.

PANNIER-ALLY, inhabited by tripe-sellers.

PANNIER-MAN, hawker; a man employed about the inns of
court to bring in provisions, set the table, etc.

PANTOFLE, indoor shoe, slipper.

PARAMENTOS, fine trappings.

PARANOMASIE, a play upon words.

PARANTORY, (?) peremptory.

PARCEL, particle, fragment (used contemptuously); article.

PARCEL, part, partly.

PARCEL-POET, poetaster.

PARERGA, subordinate matters.

PARGET, to paint or plaster the face.

PARLE, parley.

PARLOUS, clever, shrewd.

PART, apportion.

PARTAKE, participate in.

PARTED, endowed, talented.

PARTICULAR, individual person.

PARTIZAN, kind of halberd.

PARTRICH, partridge.

PARTS, qualities, endowments.

PASH, dash, smash.

PASS, care, trouble oneself.

PASSADO, fencing term: a thrust.

PASSAGE, game at dice.

PASSINGLY, exceedingly.

PASSION, effect caused by external agency.

PASSION, &quot;in --,&quot; in so melancholy a tone, so pathetically.

PATOUN, (?) Fr. Paton, pellet of dough; perhaps the
&quot;moulding of the tobacco...for the pipe&quot; (Gifford); (?)
variant of Petun, South American name of tobacco.

PATRICO, the recorder, priest, orator of strolling
beggars or gipsies.

PATTEN, shoe with wooden sole; &quot;go --,&quot; keep step with,
accompany.

PAUCA VERBA, few words.

PAVIN, a stately dance.

PEACE, &quot;with my master's --,&quot; by leave, favour.

PECULIAR, individual, single.

PEDANT, teacher of the languages.

PEEL, baker's shovel.

PEEP, speak in a small or shrill voice.

PEEVISH(LY), foolish(ly), capricious(ly); childish(ly).

PELICAN, a retort fitted with tube or tubes, for
continuous distillation.

PENCIL, small tuft of hair.

PERDUE, soldier accustomed to hazardous service.

PEREMPTORY, resolute, bold; imperious; thorough, utter,
absolute(ly).

PERIMETER, circumference of a figure.

PERIOD, limit, end.

PERK, perk up.

PERPETUANA, &quot;this seems to be that glossy kind of stuff
now called everlasting, and anciently worn by serjeants
and other city officers&quot; (Gifford).

PERSPECTIVE, a view, scene or scenery; an optical device
which gave a distortion to the picture unless seen from a
particular point; a relief, modelled to produce an
optical illusion.

PERSPICIL, optic glass.

PERSTRINGE, criticise, censure.

PERSUADE, inculcate, commend.

PERSWAY, mitigate.

PERTINACY, pertinacity.

PESTLING, pounding, pulverising, like a pestle.

PETASUS, broad-brimmed hat or winged cap worn by Mercury.

PETITIONARY, supplicatory.

PETRONEL, a kind of carbine or light gun carried by horsemen.

PETULANT, pert, insolent.

PHERE.  See Fere.

PHLEGMA, watery distilled liquor (old chem. &quot;water&quot;).

PHRENETIC, madman.

PICARDIL, stiff upright collar fastened on to the coat
(Whalley).

PICT-HATCH, disreputable quarter of London.

PIECE, person, used for woman or girl; a gold coin
worth in Jonson's time 20s. or 22s.

PIECES OF EIGHT, Spanish coin: piastre equal to eight
reals.

PIED, variegated.

PIE-POUDRES (Fr. pied-poudreux, dusty-foot), court held
at fairs to administer justice to itinerant vendors and
buyers.

PILCHER, term of contempt; one who wore a buff or leather
jerkin, as did the serjeants of the counter; a pilferer.

PILED, pilled, peeled, bald.

PILL'D, polled, fleeced.

PIMLICO, &quot;sometimes spoken of as a person -- perhaps
master of a house famous for a particular ale&quot; (Gifford).

PINE, afflict, distress.

PINK, stab with a weapon; pierce or cut in scallops for
ornament.

PINNACE, a go-between in infamous sense.

PISMIRE, ant.

PISTOLET, gold coin, worth about 6s.

PITCH, height of a bird of prey's flight.

PLAGUE, punishment, torment.

PLAIN, lament.

PLAIN SONG, simple melody.

PLAISE, plaice.

PLANET, &quot;struck with a --,&quot; planets were supposed to
have powers of blasting or exercising secret influences.

PLAUSIBLE, pleasing.

PLAUSIBLY, approvingly.

PLOT, plan.

PLY, apply oneself to.

POESIE, posy, motto inside a ring.

POINT IN HIS DEVICE, exact in every particular.

POINTS, tagged laces or cords for fastening the breeches
to the doublet.

POINT-TRUSSER, one who trussed (tied) his master's
points (q.v.).

POISE, weigh, balance.

POKING-STICK, stick used for setting the plaits of ruffs.

POLITIC, politician.

POLITIC, judicious, prudent, political.

POLITICIAN, plotter, intriguer.

POLL, strip, plunder, gain by extortion.

POMANDER, ball of perfume, worn or hung about the
person to prevent infection, or for foppery.

POMMADO, vaulting on a horse without the aid of stirrups.

PONTIC, sour.

POPULAR, vulgar, of the populace.

POPULOUS, numerous.

PORT, gate; print of a deer's foot.

PORT, transport.

PORTAGUE, Portuguese gold coin, worth over 3 or 4
pounds.

PORTCULLIS, &quot;-- of coin,&quot; some old coins have a
portcullis stamped on their reverse (Whalley).

PORTENT, marvel, prodigy; sinister omen.

PORTENTOUS, prophesying evil, threatening.

PORTER, references appear &quot;to allude to Parsons, the king's
porter, who was...near seven feet high&quot; (Whalley).

POSSESS, inform, acquaint.

POST AND PAIR, a game at cards.

POSY, motto.  (See Poesie).

POTCH, poach.

POULT-FOOT, club-foot.

POUNCE, claw, talon.

PRACTICE, intrigue, concerted plot.

PRACTISE, plot, conspire.

PRAGMATIC, an expert, agent.

PRAGMATIC, officious, conceited, meddling.

PRECEDENT, record of proceedings.

PRECEPT, warrant, summons.

PRECISIAN(ISM), Puritan(ism), preciseness.

PREFER, recommend.

PRESENCE, presence chamber.

PRESENT(LY), immediate(ly), without delay; at the
present time; actually.

PRESS, force into service.

PREST, ready.

PRETEND, assert, allege.

PREVENT, anticipate.

PRICE, worth, excellence.

PRICK, point, dot used in the writing of Hebrew and
other languages.

PRICK, prick out, mark off, select; trace, track;
&quot;-- away,&quot; make off with speed.

PRIMERO, game of cards.

PRINCOX, pert boy.

PRINT, &quot;in --,&quot; to the letter, exactly.

PRISTINATE, former.

PRIVATE, private interests.

PRIVATE, privy, intimate.

PROCLIVE, prone to.

PRODIGIOUS, monstrous, unnatural.

PRODIGY, monster.

PRODUCED, prolonged.

PROFESS, pretend.

PROJECTION, the throwing of the &quot;powder of projection&quot;
into the crucible to turn the melted metal into gold or
silver.

PROLATE, pronounce drawlingly.

PROPER, of good appearance, handsome; own, particular.

PROPERTIES, stage necessaries.

PROPERTY, duty; tool.

PRORUMPED, burst out.

PROTEST, vow, proclaim (an affected word of that time);
formally declare non-payment, etc., of bill of exchange;
fig. failure of personal credit, etc.

PROVANT, soldier's allowance -- hence, of common make.

PROVIDE, foresee.

PROVIDENCE, foresight, prudence.

PUBLICATION, making a thing public of common property (N.E.D.).

PUCKFIST, puff-ball; insipid, insignificant, boasting fellow.

PUFF-WING, shoulder puff.

PUISNE, judge of inferior rank, a junior.

PULCHRITUDE, beauty.

PUMP, shoe.

PUNGENT, piercing.

PUNTO, point, hit.

PURCEPT, precept, warrant.

PURE, fine, capital, excellent.

PURELY, perfectly, utterly.

PURL, pleat or fold of a ruff.

PURSE-NET, net of which the mouth is drawn together
with a string.

PURSUIVANT, state messenger who summoned the persecuted
seminaries; warrant officer.

PURSY, PURSINESS, shortwinded(ness).

PUT, make a push, exert yourself (N.E.D.).

PUT OFF, excuse, shift.

PUT ON, incite, encourage; proceed with, take in hand, try.

QUACKSALVER, quack.

QUAINT, elegant, elaborated, ingenious, clever.

QUAR, quarry.

QUARRIED, seized, or fed upon, as prey.

QUEAN, hussy, jade.

QUEASY, hazardous, delicate.

QUELL, kill, destroy.

QUEST, request; inquiry.

QUESTION, decision by force of arms.

QUESTMAN, one appointed to make official inquiry.

QUIB, QUIBLIN, quibble, quip.

QUICK, the living.

QUIDDIT, quiddity, legal subtlety.

QUIRK, clever turn or trick.

QUIT, requite, repay; acquit, absolve; rid; forsake,
leave.

QUITTER-BONE, disease of horses.

QUODLING, codling.

QUOIT, throw like a quoit, chuck.

QUOTE, take note, observe, write down.

RACK, neck of mutton or pork (Halliwell).

RAKE UP, cover over.

RAMP, rear, as a lion, etc.

RAPT, carry away.

RAPT, enraptured.

RASCAL, young or inferior deer.

RASH, strike with a glancing oblique blow, as a
boar with its tusk.

RATSEY, GOMALIEL, a famous highwayman.

RAVEN, devour.

REACH, understand.

REAL, regal.

REBATU, ruff, turned-down collar.

RECTOR, RECTRESS, director, governor.

REDARGUE, confute.

REDUCE, bring back.

REED, rede, counsel, advice.

REEL, run riot.

REFEL, refute.

REFORMADOES, disgraced or disbanded soldiers.

REGIMENT, government.

REGRESSION, return.

REGULAR (&quot;Tale of a Tub&quot;), regular noun (quibble) (N.E.D.).

RELIGION, &quot;make -- of,&quot; make a point of, scruple of.

RELISH, savour.

REMNANT, scrap of quotation.

REMORA, species of fish.

RENDER, depict, exhibit, show.

REPAIR, reinstate.

REPETITION, recital, narration.

REREMOUSE, bat.

RESIANT, resident.

RESIDENCE, sediment.

RESOLUTION, judgment, decision.

RESOLVE, inform; assure; prepare, make up one's mind;
dissolve; come to a decision, be convinced; relax, set
at ease.

RESPECTIVE, worthy of respect; regardful, discriminative.

RESPECTIVELY, with reverence.

RESPECTLESS, regardless.

RESPIRE, exhale; inhale.

RESPONSIBLE, correspondent.

REST, musket-rest.

REST, &quot;set up one's --,&quot; venture one's all, one's
last stake (from game of primero).

REST, arrest.

RESTIVE, RESTY, dull, inactive.

RETCHLESS(NESS), reckless(ness).

RETIRE, cause to retire.

RETRICATO, fencing term.

RETRIEVE, rediscovery of game once sprung.

RETURNS, ventures sent abroad, for the safe return of
which so much money is received.

REVERBERATE, dissolve or blend by reflected heat.

REVERSE, REVERSO, back-handed thrust, etc., in fencing.

REVISE, reconsider a sentence.

RHEUM, spleen, caprice.

RIBIBE, abusive term for an old woman.

RID, destroy, do away with.

RIFLING, raffling, dicing.

RING, &quot;cracked within the --,&quot; coins so cracked were
unfit for currency.

RISSE, risen, rose.

RIVELLED, wrinkled.

ROARER, swaggerer.

ROCHET, fish of the gurnet kind.

ROCK, distaff.

RODOMONTADO, braggadocio.

ROGUE, vagrant, vagabond.

RONDEL, &quot;a round mark in the score of a public-house&quot;
(Nares); roundel.

ROOK, sharper; fool, dupe.

ROSAKER, similar to ratsbane.

ROSA-SOLIS, a spiced spirituous liquor.

ROSES, rosettes.

ROUND, &quot;gentlemen of the --,&quot; officers of inferior rank.

ROUND TRUNKS, trunk hose, short loose breeches reaching
almost or quite to the knees.

ROUSE, carouse, bumper.

ROVER, arrow used for shooting at a random mark at
uncertain distance.

ROWLY-POWLY, roly-poly.

RUDE, RUDENESS, unpolished, rough(ness), coarse(ness).

RUFFLE, flaunt, swagger.

RUG, coarse frieze.

RUG-GOWNS, gown made of rug.

RUSH, reference to rushes with which the floors were
then strewn.

RUSHER, one who strewed the floor with rushes.

RUSSET, homespun cloth of neutral or reddish-brown colour.

SACK, loose, flowing gown.

SADLY, seriously, with gravity.

SAD(NESS), sober, serious(ness).

SAFFI, bailiffs.

ST. THOMAS A WATERINGS, place in Surrey where criminals
were executed.

SAKER, small piece of ordnance.

SALT, leap.

SALT, lascivious.

SAMPSUCHINE, sweet marjoram.

SARABAND, a slow dance.

SATURNALS, began December 17.

SAUCINESS, presumption, insolence.

SAUCY, bold, impudent, wanton.

SAUNA (Lat.), a gesture of contempt.

SAVOUR, perceive; gratify, please; to partake of the nature.

SAY, sample.

SAY, assay, try.

SCALD, word of contempt, implying dirt and disease.

SCALLION, shalot, small onion.

SCANDERBAG, &quot;name which the Turks (in allusion to
Alexander the Great) gave to the brave Castriot, chief
of Albania, with whom they had continual wars.  His
romantic life had just been translated&quot; (Gifford).

SCAPE, escape.

SCARAB, beetle.

SCARTOCCIO, fold of paper, cover, cartouch, cartridge.

SCONCE, head.

SCOPE, aim.

SCOT AND LOT, tax, contribution (formerly a parish
assessment).

SCOTOMY, dizziness in the head.

SCOUR, purge.

SCOURSE, deal, swap.

SCRATCHES, disease of horses.

SCROYLE, mean, rascally fellow.

SCRUPLE, doubt.

SEAL, put hand to the giving up of property or rights.

SEALED, stamped as genuine.

SEAM-RENT, ragged.

SEAMING LACES, insertion or edging.

SEAR UP, close by searing, burning.

SEARCED, sifted.

SECRETARY, able to keep a secret.

SECULAR, worldly, ordinary, commonplace.

SECURE, confident.

SEELIE, happy, blest.

SEISIN, legal term: possession.

SELLARY, lewd person.

SEMBLABLY, similarly.

SEMINARY, a Romish priest educated in a foreign seminary.

SENSELESS, insensible, without sense or feeling.

SENSIBLY, perceptibly.

SENSIVE, sensitive.

SENSUAL, pertaining to the physical or material.

SERENE, harmful dew of evening.

SERICON, red tincture.

SERVANT, lover.

SERVICES, doughty deeds of arms.

SESTERCE, Roman copper coin.

SET, stake, wager.

SET UP, drill.

SETS, deep plaits of the ruff.

SEWER, officer who served up the feast, and brought
water for the hands of the guests.

SHAPE, a suit by way of disguise.

SHIFT, fraud, dodge.

SHIFTER, cheat.

SHITTLE, shuttle; &quot;shittle-cock,&quot; shuttlecock.

SHOT, tavern reckoning.

SHOT-CLOG, one only tolerated because he paid the shot
(reckoning) for the rest.

SHOT-FREE, scot-free, not having to pay.

SHOVE-GROAT, low kind of gambling amusement, perhaps
somewhat of the nature of pitch and toss.

SHOT-SHARKS, drawers.

SHREWD, mischievous, malicious, curst.

SHREWDLY, keenly, in a high degree.

SHRIVE, sheriff; posts were set up before his door for
proclamations, or to indicate his residence.

SHROVING, Shrovetide, season of merriment.

SIGILLA, seal, mark.

SILENCED BRETHERN, MINISTERS, those of the Church or
Nonconformists who had been silenced, deprived, etc.

SILLY, simple, harmless.

SIMPLE, silly, witless; plain, true.

SIMPLES, herbs.

SINGLE, term of chase, signifying when the hunted stag
is separated from the herd, or forced to break covert.

SINGLE, weak, silly.

SINGLE-MONEY, small change.

SINGULAR, unique, supreme.

SI-QUIS, bill, advertisement.

SKELDRING, getting money under false pretences; swindling.

SKILL, &quot;it --s not,&quot; matters not.

SKINK(ER), pour, draw(er), tapster.

SKIRT, tail.

SLEEK, smooth.

SLICE, fire shovel or pan (dial.).

SLICK, sleek, smooth.

'SLID, 'SLIGHT, 'SPRECIOUS, irreverent oaths.

SLIGHT, sleight, cunning, cleverness; trick.

SLIP, counterfeit coin, bastard.

SLIPPERY, polished and shining.

SLOPS, large loose breeches.

SLOT, print of a stag's foot.

SLUR, put a slur on; cheat (by sliding a die in some way).

SMELT, gull, simpleton.

SNORLE, &quot;perhaps snarl, as Puppy is addressed&quot; (Cunningham).

SNOTTERIE, filth.

SNUFF, anger, resentment; &quot;take in --,&quot; take offence at.

SNUFFERS, small open silver dishes for holding snuff,
or receptacle for placing snuffers in (Halliwell).

SOCK, shoe worn by comic actors.

SOD, seethe.

SOGGY, soaked, sodden.

SOIL, &quot;take --,&quot; said of a hunted stag when he takes
to the water for safety.

SOL, sou.

SOLDADOES, soldiers.

SOLICIT, rouse, excite to action.

SOOTH, flattery, cajolery.

SOOTHE, flatter, humour.

SOPHISTICATE, adulterate.

SORT, company, party; rank, degree.

SORT, suit, fit; select.

SOUSE, ear.

SOUSED (&quot;Devil is an Ass&quot;), fol. read &quot;sou't,&quot; which
Dyce interprets as &quot;a variety of the spelling of &quot;shu'd&quot;:
to &quot;shu&quot; is to scare a bird away.&quot;  (See his &quot;Webster,&quot;
page 350).

SOWTER, cobbler.

SPAGYRICA, chemistry according to the teachings of Paracelsus.

SPAR, bar.

SPEAK, make known, proclaim.

SPECULATION, power of sight.

SPED, to have fared well, prospered.

SPEECE, species.

SPIGHT, anger, rancour.

SPINNER, spider.

SPINSTRY, lewd person.

SPITTLE, hospital, lazar-house.

SPLEEN, considered the seat of the emotions.

SPLEEN, caprice, humour, mood.

SPRUNT, spruce.

SPURGE, foam.

SPUR-RYAL, gold coin worth 15s.

SQUIRE, square, measure; &quot;by the --,&quot; exactly.

STAGGERING, wavering, hesitating.

STAIN, disparagement, disgrace.

STALE, decoy, or cover, stalking-horse.

STALE, make cheap, common.

STALK, approach stealthily or under cover.

STALL, forestall.

STANDARD, suit.

STAPLE, market, emporium.

STARK, downright.

STARTING-HOLES, loopholes of escape.

STATE, dignity; canopied chair of state; estate.

STATUMINATE, support vines by poles or stakes; used
by Pliny (Gifford).

STAY, gag.

STAY, await; detain.

STICKLER, second or umpire.

STIGMATISE, mark, brand.

STILL, continual(ly), constant(ly).

STINKARD, stinking fellow.

STINT, stop.

STIPTIC, astringent.

STOCCATA, thrust in fencing.

STOCK-FISH, salted and dried fish.

STOMACH, pride, valour.

STOMACH, resent.

STOOP, swoop down as a hawk.

STOP, fill, stuff.

STOPPLE, stopper.

STOTE, stoat, weasel.

STOUP, stoop, swoop=bow.

STRAIGHT, straightway.

STRAMAZOUN (Ital. stramazzone), a down blow, as opposed
to the thrust.

STRANGE, like a stranger, unfamiliar.

STRANGENESS, distance of behaviour.

STREIGHTS, OR BERMUDAS, labyrinth of alleys and courts
in the Strand.

STRIGONIUM, Grau in Hungary, taken from the Turks in
1597.

STRIKE, balance (accounts).

STRINGHALT, disease of horses.

STROKER, smoother, flatterer.

STROOK, p.p. of &quot;strike.&quot;

STRUMMEL-PATCHED, strummel is glossed in dialect dicts.
as &quot;a long, loose and dishevelled head of hair.&quot;

STUDIES, studious efforts.

STYLE, title; pointed instrument used for writing on wax
tablets.

SUBTLE, fine, delicate, thin; smooth, soft.

SUBTLETY (SUBTILITY), subtle device.

SUBURB, connected with loose living.

SUCCUBAE, demons in form of women.

SUCK, extract money from.

SUFFERANCE, suffering.

SUMMED, term of falconry: with full-grown plumage.

SUPER-NEGULUM, topers turned the cup bottom up when
it was empty.

SUPERSTITIOUS, over-scrupulous.

SUPPLE, to make pliant.

SURBATE, make sore with walking.

SURCEASE, cease.

SUR-REVERENCE, save your reverence.

SURVISE, peruse.

SUSCITABILITY, excitability.

SUSPECT, suspicion.

SUSPEND, suspect.

SUSPENDED, held over for the present.

SUTLER, victualler.

SWAD, clown, boor.

SWATH BANDS, swaddling clothes.

SWINGE, beat.

TABERD, emblazoned mantle or tunic worn by knights
and heralds.

TABLE(S), &quot;pair of --,&quot; tablets, note-book.

TABOR, small drum.

TABRET, tabor.

TAFFETA, silk; &quot;tuft-taffeta,&quot; a more costly silken fabric.

TAINT, &quot;-- a staff,&quot; break a lance at tilting in an
unscientific or dishonourable manner.

TAKE IN, capture, subdue.

TAKE ME WITH YOU, let me understand you.

TAKE UP, obtain on credit, borrow.

TALENT, sum or weight of Greek currency.

TALL, stout, brave.

TANKARD-BEARERS, men employed to fetch water from the
conduits.

TARLETON, celebrated comedian and jester.

TARTAROUS, like a Tartar.

TAVERN-TOKEN, &quot;to swallow a --,&quot; get drunk.

TELL, count.

TELL-TROTH, truth-teller.

TEMPER, modify, soften.

TENDER, show regard, care for, cherish; manifest.

TENT, &quot;take --,&quot; take heed.

TERSE, swept and polished.

TERTIA, &quot;that portion of an army levied out of one
particular district or division of a country&quot; (Gifford).

TESTON, tester, coin worth 6d.

THIRDBOROUGH, constable.

THREAD, quality.

THREAVES, droves.

THREE-FARTHINGS, piece of silver current under Elizabeth.

THREE-PILED, of finest quality, exaggerated.

THRIFTILY, carefully.

THRUMS, ends of the weaver's warp; coarse yarn made from.

THUMB-RING, familiar spirits were supposed capable of
being carried about in various ornaments or parts of dress.

TIBICINE, player on the tibia, or pipe.

TICK-TACK, game similar to backgammon.

TIGHTLY, promptly.

TIM, (?) expressive of a climax of nonentity.

TIMELESS, untimely, unseasonable.

TINCTURE, an essential or spiritual principle supposed
by alchemists to be transfusible into material things;
an imparted characteristic or tendency.

TINK, tinkle.

TIPPET, &quot;turn --,&quot; change behaviour or way of life.

TIPSTAFF, staff tipped with metal.

TIRE, head-dress.

TIRE, feed ravenously, like a bird of prey.

TITILLATION, that which tickles the senses, as a perfume.

TOD, fox.

TOILED, worn out, harassed.

TOKEN, piece of base metal used in place of very small
coin, when this was scarce.

TONNELS, nostrils.

TOP, &quot;parish --,&quot; large top kept in villages for
amusement and exercise in frosty weather when people
were out of work.

TOTER, tooter, player on a wind instrument.

TOUSE, pull, rend.

TOWARD, docile, apt; on the way to; as regards; present,
at hand.

TOY, whim; trick; term of contempt.

TRACT, attraction.

TRAIN, allure, entice.

TRANSITORY, transmittable.

TRANSLATE, transform.

TRAY-TRIP, game at dice (success depended on throwing
a three) (Nares).

TREACHOUR (TRECHER), traitor.

TREEN, wooden.

TRENCHER, serving-man who carved or served food.

TRENDLE-TAIL, trundle-tail, curly-tailed.

TRICK (TRICKING), term of heraldry: to draw outline of
coat of arms, etc., without blazoning.

TRIG, a spruce, dandified man.

TRILL, trickle.

TRILLIBUB, tripe, any worthless, trifling thing.

TRIPOLY, &quot;come from --,&quot; able to perform feats of agility,
a &quot;jest nominal,&quot; depending on the first part of the word
(Gifford).

TRITE, worn, shabby.

TRIVIA, three-faced goddess (Hecate).

TROJAN, familiar term for an equal or inferior; thief.

TROLL, sing loudly.

TROMP, trump, deceive.

TROPE, figure of speech.

TROW, think, believe, wonder.

TROWLE, troll.

TROWSES, breeches, drawers.

TRUCHMAN, interpreter.

TRUNDLE, JOHN, well-known printer.

TRUNDLE, roll, go rolling along.

TRUNDLING CHEATS, term among gipsies and beggars for
carts or coaches (Gifford).

TRUNK, speaking-tube.

TRUSS, tie the tagged laces that fastened the breeches
to the doublet.

TUBICINE, trumpeter.

TUCKET (Ital. toccato), introductory flourish on the
trumpet.

TUITION, guardianship.

TUMBLER, a particular kind of dog so called from the

mode of his hunting.

TUMBREL-SLOP, loose, baggy breeches.

TURD, excrement.

TUSK, gnash the teeth (Century Dict.).

TWIRE, peep, twinkle.

TWOPENNY ROOM, gallery.

TYRING-HOUSE, attiring-room.

ULENSPIEGEL.  See Howleglass.

UMBRATILE, like or pertaining to a shadow.

UMBRE, brown dye.

UNBATED, unabated.

UNBORED, (?) excessively bored.

UNCARNATE, not fleshly, or of flesh.

UNCOUTH, strange, unusual.

UNDERTAKER, &quot;one who undertook by his influence in the
House of Commons to carry things agreeably to his
Majesty's wishes&quot; (Whalley); one who becomes surety for.

UNEQUAL, unjust.

UNEXCEPTED, no objection taken at.

UNFEARED, unaffrighted.

UNHAPPILY, unfortunately.

UNICORN'S HORN, supposed antidote to poison.

UNKIND(LY), unnatural(ly).

UNMANNED, untamed (term in falconry).

UNQUIT, undischarged.

UNREADY, undressed.

UNRUDE, rude to an extreme.

UNSEASONED, unseasonable, unripe.

UNSEELED, a hawk's eyes were &quot;seeled&quot; by sewing the
eyelids together with fine thread.

UNTIMELY, unseasonably.

UNVALUABLE, invaluable.

UPBRAID, make a matter of reproach.

UPSEE, heavy kind of Dutch beer (Halliwell); &quot;-- Dutch,&quot;
in the Dutch fashion.

UPTAILS ALL, refrain of a popular song.

URGE, allege as accomplice, instigator.

URSHIN, URCHIN, hedgehog.

USE, interest on money; part of sermon dealing with the
practical application of doctrine.

USE, be in the habit of, accustomed to; put out to interest.

USQUEBAUGH, whisky.

USURE, usury.

UTTER, put in circulation, make to pass current; put forth for sale.

VAIL, bow, do homage.

VAILS, tips, gratuities.

VALL.  See Vail.

VALLIES (Fr. valise), portmanteau, bag.

VAPOUR(S) (n. and v.), used affectedly, like &quot;humour,&quot;
in many senses, often very vaguely and freely ridiculed
by Jonson; humour, disposition, whims, brag(ging),
hector(ing), etc.

VARLET, bailiff, or serjeant-at-mace.

VAUT, vault.

VEER (naut.), pay out.

VEGETAL, vegetable; person full of life and vigour.

VELLUTE, velvet.

VELVET CUSTARD.  Cf. &quot;Taming of the Shrew,&quot; iv. 3, 82,
&quot;custard coffin,&quot; coffin being the raised crust over a pie.

VENT, vend, sell; give outlet to; scent, snuff up.

VENUE, bout (fencing term).

VERDUGO (Span.), hangman, executioner.

VERGE, &quot;in the --,&quot; within a certain distance of the court.

VEX, agitate, torment.

VICE, the buffoon of old moralities; some kind of
machinery for moving a puppet (Gifford).

VIE AND REVIE, to hazard a certain sum, and to cover
it with a larger one.

VINCENT AGAINST YORK, two heralds-at-arms.

VINDICATE, avenge.

VIRGE, wand, rod.

VIRGINAL, old form of piano.

VIRTUE, valour.

VIVELY, in lifelike manner, livelily.

VIZARD, mask.

VOGUE, rumour, gossip.

VOICE, vote.

VOID, leave, quit.

VOLARY, cage, aviary.

VOLLEY, &quot;at --,&quot; &quot;o' the volee,&quot; at random (from a
term of tennis).

VORLOFFE, furlough.

WADLOE, keeper of the Devil Tavern, where Jonson and his
friends met in the 'Apollo' room (Whalley).

WAIGHTS, waits, night musicians, &quot;band of musical
watchmen&quot; (Webster), or old form of &quot;hautboys.&quot;

WANNION, &quot;vengeance,&quot; &quot;plague&quot; (Nares).

WARD, a famous pirate.

WARD, guard in fencing.

WATCHET, pale, sky blue.

WEAL, welfare.

WEED, garment.

WEFT, waif.

WEIGHTS, &quot;to the gold --,&quot; to every minute particular.

WELKIN, sky.

WELL-SPOKEN, of fair speech.

WELL-TORNED, turned and polished, as on a wheel.

WELT, hem, border of fur.

WHER, whether.

WHETSTONE, GEORGE, an author who lived 1544(?) to 1587(?).

WHIFF, a smoke, or drink; &quot;taking the --,&quot; inhaling the
tobacco smoke or some such accomplishment.

WHIGH-HIES, neighings, whinnyings.

WHIMSY, whim, &quot;humour.&quot;

WHINILING, (?) whining, weakly.

WHIT, (?) a mere jot.

WHITEMEAT, food made of milk or eggs.

WICKED, bad, clumsy.

WICKER, pliant, agile.

WILDING, esp. fruit of wild apple or crab tree (Webster).

WINE, &quot;I have the -- for you,&quot; Prov.: I have the
perquisites (of the office) which you are to share
(Cunningham).

WINNY, &quot;same as old word &quot;wonne,&quot; to stay, etc.&quot; (Whalley).

WISE-WOMAN, fortune-teller.

WISH, recommend.

WISS (WUSSE), &quot;I --,&quot; certainly, of a truth.

WITHOUT, beyond.

WITTY, cunning, ingenious, clever.

WOOD, collection, lot.

WOODCOCK, term of contempt.

WOOLSACK (&quot;-- pies&quot;), name of tavern.

WORT, unfermented beer.

WOUNDY, great, extreme.

WREAK, revenge.

WROUGHT, wrought upon.

WUSSE, interjection.  (See Wiss).

YEANLING, lamb, kid.

ZANY, an inferior clown, who attended upon the chief
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ABATE, cast down, subdue.

ABHORRING, repugnant (to), at variance.

ABJECT, base, degraded thing, outcast.

ABRASE, smooth, blank.

ABSOLUTE(LY), faultless(ly).

ABSTRACTED, abstract, abstruse.

ABUSE, deceive, insult, dishonour, make ill use of.

ACATER, caterer.

ACATES, cates.

ACCEPTIVE, willing, ready to accept, receive.

ACCOMMODATE, fit, befitting.  (The word was a fashionable
one and used on all occasions.  See &quot;Henry IV.,&quot; pt. 2,
iii. 4).

ACCOST, draw near, approach.

ACKNOWN, confessedly acquainted with.

ACME, full maturity.

ADALANTADO, lord deputy or governor of a Spanish province.

ADJECTION, addition.

ADMIRATION, astonishment.

ADMIRE, wonder, wonder at.

ADROP, philosopher's stone, or substance from which obtained.

ADSCRIVE, subscribe.

ADULTERATE, spurious, counterfeit.

ADVANCE, lift.

ADVERTISE, inform, give intelligence.

ADVERTISED, &quot;be --,&quot; be it known to you.

ADVERTISEMENT, intelligence.

ADVISE, consider, bethink oneself, deliberate.

ADVISED, informed, aware; &quot;are you --?&quot; have you found that out?

AFFECT, love, like; aim at; move.

AFFECTED, disposed; beloved.

AFFECTIONATE, obstinate; prejudiced.

AFFECTS, affections.

AFFRONT, &quot;give the -- ,&quot; face.

AFFY, have confidence in; betroth.

AFTER, after the manner of.

AGAIN, AGAINST, in anticipation of.

AGGRAVATE, increase, magnify, enlarge upon.

AGNOMINATION.  See Paranomasie.

AIERY, nest, brood.

AIM, guess.

ALL HID, children's cry at hide-and-seek.

ALL-TO, completely, entirely (&quot;all-to-be-laden&quot;).

ALLOWANCE, approbation, recognition.

ALMA-CANTARAS (astronomy), parallels of altitude.

ALMAIN, name of a dance.

ALMUTEN, planet of chief influence in the horoscope.

ALONE, unequalled, without peer.

ALUDELS, subliming pots.

AMAZED, confused, perplexed.

AMBER, AMBRE, ambergris.

AMBREE, MARY, a woman noted for her valour at the
siege of Ghent, 1458.

AMES-ACE, lowest throw at dice.

AMPHIBOLIES, ambiguities.

AMUSED, bewildered, amazed.

AN, if.

ANATOMY, skeleton, or dissected body.

ANDIRONS, fire-dogs.

ANGEL, gold coin worth 10 shillings, stamped with the
figure of the archangel Michael.

ANNESH CLEARE, spring known as Agnes le Clare.

ANSWER, return hit in fencing.

ANTIC, ANTIQUE, clown, buffoon.

ANTIC, like a buffoon.

ANTIPERISTASIS, an opposition which enhances the quality
it opposes.

APOZEM, decoction.

APPERIL, peril.

APPLE-JOHN, APPLE-SQUIRE, pimp, pander.

APPLY, attach.

APPREHEND, take into custody.

APPREHENSIVE, quick of perception; able to perceive and appreciate.

APPROVE, prove, confirm.

APT, suit, adapt; train, prepare; dispose, incline.

APT(LY), suitable(y), opportune(ly).

APTITUDE, suitableness.

ARBOR, &quot;make the --,&quot; cut up the game (Gifford).

ARCHES, Court of Arches.

ARCHIE, Archibald Armstrong, jester to James I. and Charles I.

ARGAILE, argol, crust or sediment in wine casks.

ARGENT-VIVE, quicksilver.

ARGUMENT, plot of a drama; theme, subject; matter in question;
token, proof.

ARRIDE, please.

ARSEDINE, mixture of copper and zinc, used as an imitation of
gold-leaf.

ARTHUR, PRINCE, reference to an archery show by a society who
assumed arms, etc., of Arthur's knights.

ARTICLE, item.

ARTIFICIALLY, artfully.

ASCENSION, evaporation, distillation.

ASPIRE, try to reach, obtain, long for.

ASSALTO (Italian), assault.

ASSAY, draw a knife along the belly of the deer, a
ceremony of the hunting-field.

ASSOIL, solve.

ASSURE, secure possession or reversion of.

ATHANOR, a digesting furnace, calculated to keep up a
constant heat.

ATONE, reconcile.

ATTACH, attack, seize.

AUDACIOUS, having spirit and confidence.

AUTHENTIC(AL), of authority, authorised, trustworthy, genuine.

AVISEMENT, reflection, consideration.

AVOID, begone! get rid of.

AWAY WITH, endure.

AZOCH, Mercurius Philosophorum.

BABION, baboon.

BABY, doll.

BACK-SIDE, back premises.

BAFFLE, treat with contempt.

BAGATINE, Italian coin, worth about the third of a farthing.

BAIARD, horse of magic powers known to old romance.

BALDRICK, belt worn across the breast to support bugle, etc.

BALE (of dice), pair.

BALK, overlook, pass by, avoid.

BALLACE, ballast.

BALLOO, game at ball.

BALNEUM (BAIN MARIE), a vessel for holding hot water
in which other vessels are stood for heating.

BANBURY, &quot;brother of --,&quot; Puritan.

BANDOG, dog tied or chained up.

BANE, woe, ruin.

BANQUET, a light repast; dessert.

BARB, to clip gold.

BARBEL, fresh-water fish.

BARE, meer; bareheaded; it was &quot;a particular mark of state
and grandeur for the coachman to be uncovered&quot; (Gifford).

BARLEY-BREAK, game somewhat similar to base.

BASE, game of prisoner's base.

BASES, richly embroidered skirt reaching to the knees, or
lower.

BASILISK, fabulous reptile, believed to slay with its eye.

BASKET, used for the broken provision collected for prisoners.

BASON, basons, etc., were beaten by the attendant mob when
bad characters were &quot;carted.&quot;

BATE, be reduced; abate, reduce.

BATOON, baton, stick.

BATTEN, feed, grow fat.

BAWSON, badger.

BEADSMAN, prayer-man, one engaged to pray for another.

BEAGLE, small hound; fig. spy.

BEAR IN HAND, keep in suspense, deceive with false hopes.

BEARWARD, bear leader.

BEDPHERE.  See Phere.

BEDSTAFF, (?) wooden pin in the side of the bedstead for
supporting the bedclothes (Johnson); one of the sticks or
&quot;laths&quot;; a stick used in making a bed.

BEETLE, heavy mallet.

BEG, &quot;I'd -- him,&quot; the custody of minors and idiots was
begged for; likewise property fallen forfeit to the Crown
(&quot;your house had been begged&quot;).

BELL-MAN, night watchman.

BENJAMIN, an aromatic gum.

BERLINA, pillory.

BESCUMBER, defile.

BESLAVE, beslabber.

BESOGNO, beggar.

BESPAWLE, bespatter.

BETHLEHEM GABOR, Transylvanian hero, proclaimed King of Hungary.

BEVER, drinking.

BEVIS, SIR, knight of romance whose horse was equally celebrated.

BEWRAY, reveal, make known.

BEZANT, heraldic term: small gold circle.

BEZOAR'S STONE, a remedy known by this name was a
supposed antidote to poison.

BID-STAND, highwayman.

BIGGIN, cap, similar to that worn by the Beguines; nightcap.

BILIVE (belive), with haste.

BILK, nothing, empty talk.

BILL, kind of pike.

BILLET, wood cut for fuel, stick.

BIRDING, thieving.

BLACK SANCTUS, burlesque hymn, any unholy riot.

BLANK, originally a small French coin.

BLANK, white.

BLANKET, toss in a blanket.

BLAZE, outburst of violence.

BLAZE, (her.) blazon; publish abroad.

BLAZON, armorial bearings; fig. all that pertains to
good birth and breeding.

BLIN, &quot;withouten --,&quot; without ceasing.

BLOW, puff up.

BLUE, colour of servants' livery, hence &quot;-- order,&quot;
&quot;-- waiters.&quot;

BLUSHET, blushing one.

BOB, jest, taunt.

BOB, beat, thump.

BODGE, measure.

BODKIN, dagger, or other short, pointed weapon; long
pin with which the women fastened up their hair.

BOLT, roll (of material).

BOLT, dislodge, rout out; sift (boulting-tub).

BOLT'S-HEAD, long, straight-necked vessel for distillation.

BOMBARD SLOPS, padded, puffed-out breeches.

BONA ROBA, &quot;good, wholesome, plum-cheeked wench&quot; (Johnson)
-- not always used in compliment.

BONNY-CLABBER, sour butter-milk.

BOOKHOLDER, prompter.

BOOT, &quot;to --,&quot; into the bargain; &quot;no --,&quot; of no avail.

BORACHIO, bottle made of skin.

BORDELLO, brothel.

BORNE IT, conducted, carried it through.

BOTTLE (of hay), bundle, truss.

BOTTOM, skein or ball of thread; vessel.

BOURD, jest.

BOVOLI, snails or cockles dressed in the Italian manner
(Gifford).

BOW-POT, flower vase or pot.

BOYS, &quot;terrible --,&quot; &quot;angry --,&quot; roystering young bucks.
(See Nares).

BRABBLES (BRABBLESH), brawls.

BRACH, bitch.

BRADAMANTE, a heroine in &quot;Orlando Furioso.&quot;

BRADLEY, ARTHUR OF, a lively character commemorated in
ballads.

BRAKE, frame for confining a horse's feet while being
shod, or strong curb or bridle; trap.

BRANCHED, with &quot;detached sleeve ornaments, projecting
from the shoulders of the gown&quot; (Gifford).

BRANDISH, flourish of weapon.

BRASH, brace.

BRAVE, bravado, braggart speech.

BRAVE (adv.), gaily, finely (apparelled).

BRAVERIES, gallants.

BRAVERY, extravagant gaiety of apparel.

BRAVO, bravado, swaggerer.

BRAZEN-HEAD, speaking head made by Roger Bacon.

BREATHE, pause for relaxation; exercise.

BREATH UPON, speak dispraisingly of.

BREND, burn.

BRIDE-ALE, wedding feast.

BRIEF, abstract; (mus.) breve.

BRISK, smartly dressed.

BRIZE, breese, gadfly.

BROAD-SEAL, state seal.

BROCK, badger (term of contempt).

BROKE, transact business as a broker.

BROOK, endure, put up with.

BROUGHTON, HUGH, an English divine and Hebrew scholar.

BRUIT, rumour.

BUCK, wash.

BUCKLE, bend.

BUFF, leather made of buffalo skin, used for military
and serjeants' coats, etc.

BUFO, black tincture.

BUGLE, long-shaped bead.

BULLED, (?) bolled, swelled.

BULLIONS, trunk hose.

BULLY, term of familiar endearment.

BUNGY, Friar Bungay, who had a familiar in the shape of a dog.

BURDEN, refrain, chorus.

BURGONET, closely-fitting helmet with visor.

BURGULLION, braggadocio.

BURN, mark wooden measures (&quot;--ing of cans&quot;).

BURROUGH, pledge, security.

BUSKIN, half-boot, foot gear reaching high up the leg.

BUTT-SHAFT, barbless arrow for shooting at butts.

BUTTER, NATHANIEL (&quot;Staple of News&quot;), a compiler of general
news.  (See Cunningham).

BUTTERY-HATCH, half-door shutting off the buttery, where
provisions and liquors were stored.

BUY, &quot;he bought me,&quot; formerly the guardianship of wards
could be bought.

BUZ, exclamation to enjoin silence.

BUZZARD, simpleton.

BY AND BY, at once.

BY(E), &quot;on the __,&quot; incidentally, as of minor or secondary
importance; at the side.

BY-CHOP, by-blow, bastard.

CADUCEUS, Mercury's wand.

CALIVER, light kind of musket.

CALLET, woman of ill repute.

CALLOT, coif worn on the wigs of our judges or
serjeants-at-law (Gifford).

CALVERED, crimped, or sliced and pickled.  (See Nares).

CAMOUCCIO, wretch, knave.

CAMUSED, flat.

CAN, knows.

CANDLE-RENT, rent from house property.

CANDLE-WASTER, one who studies late.

CANTER, sturdy beggar.

CAP OF MAINTENCE, an insignia of dignity, a cap of state
borne before kings at their coronation; also an heraldic term.

CAPABLE, able to comprehend, fit to receive instruction,
impression.

CAPANEUS, one of the &quot;Seven against Thebes.&quot;

CARACT, carat, unit of weight for precious stones, etc.;
value, worth.

CARANZA, Spanish author of a book on duelling.

CARCANET, jewelled ornament for the neck.

CARE, take care; object.

CAROSH, coach, carriage.

CARPET, table-cover.

CARRIAGE, bearing, behaviour.

CARWHITCHET, quip, pun.

CASAMATE, casemate, fortress.

CASE, a pair.

CASE, &quot;in --,&quot; in condition.

CASSOCK, soldier's loose overcoat.

CAST, flight of hawks, couple.

CAST, throw dice; vomit; forecast, calculate.

CAST, cashiered.

CASTING-GLASS, bottle for sprinkling perfume.

CASTRIL, kestrel, falcon.

CAT, structure used in sieges.

CATAMITE, old form of &quot;ganymede.&quot;

CATASTROPHE, conclusion.

CATCHPOLE, sheriff's officer.

CATES, dainties, provisions.

CATSO, rogue, cheat.

CAUTELOUS, crafty, artful.

CENSURE, criticism; sentence.

CENSURE, criticise; pass sentence, doom.

CERUSE, cosmetic containing white lead.

CESS, assess.

CHANGE, &quot;hunt --,&quot; follow a fresh scent.

CHAPMAN, retail dealer.

CHARACTER, handwriting.

CHARGE, expense.

CHARM, subdue with magic, lay a spell on, silence.

CHARMING, exercising magic power.

CHARTEL, challenge.

CHEAP, bargain, market.

CHEAR, CHEER, comfort, encouragement; food, entertainment.

CHECK AT, aim reproof at.

CHEQUIN, gold Italian coin.

CHEVRIL, from kidskin, which is elastic and pliable.

CHIAUS, Turkish envoy; used for a cheat, swindler.

CHILDERMASS DAY, Innocents' Day.

CHOKE-BAIL, action which does not allow of bail.

CHRYSOPOEIA, alchemy.

CHRYSOSPERM, ways of producing gold.

CIBATION, adding fresh substances to supply the waste
of evaporation.

CIMICI, bugs.

CINOPER, cinnabar.

CIOPPINI, chopine, lady's high shoe.

CIRCLING BOY, &quot;a species of roarer; one who in some way
drew a man into a snare, to cheat or rob him&quot; (Nares).

CIRCUMSTANCE, circumlocution, beating about the bush;
ceremony, everything pertaining to a certain condition;
detail, particular.

CITRONISE, turn citron colour.

CITTERN, kind of guitar.

CITY-WIRES, woman of fashion, who made use of wires
for hair and dress.

CIVIL, legal.

CLAP, clack, chatter.

CLAPPER-DUDGEON, downright beggar.

CLAPS HIS DISH, a clap, or clack, dish (dish with a
movable lid) was carried by beggars and lepers to show
that the vessel was empty, and to give sound of their
approach.

CLARIDIANA, heroine of an old romance.

CLARISSIMO, Venetian noble.

CLEM, starve.

CLICKET, latch.

CLIM O' THE CLOUGHS, etc., wordy heroes of romance.

CLIMATE, country.

CLOSE, secret, private; secretive.

CLOSENESS, secrecy.

CLOTH, arras, hangings.

CLOUT, mark shot at, bull's eye.

CLOWN, countryman, clodhopper.

COACH-LEAVES, folding blinds.

COALS, &quot;bear no --,&quot; submit to no affront.

COAT-ARMOUR, coat of arms.

COAT-CARD, court-card.

COB-HERRING, HERRING-COB, a young herring.

COB-SWAN, male swan.

COCK-A-HOOP, denoting unstinted jollity; thought to
be derived from turning on the tap that all might
drink to the full of the flowing liquor.

COCKATRICE, reptile supposed to be produced from a
cock's egg and to kill by its eye -- used as a term
of reproach for a woman.

COCK-BRAINED, giddy, wild.

COCKER, pamper.

COCKSCOMB, fool's cap.

COCKSTONE, stone said to be found in a cock's
gizzard, and to possess particular virtues.

CODLING, softening by boiling.

COFFIN, raised crust of a pie.

COG, cheat, wheedle.

COIL, turmoil, confusion, ado.

COKELY, master of a puppet-show (Whalley).

COKES, fool, gull.

COLD-CONCEITED, having cold opinion of, coldly
affected towards.

COLE-HARBOUR, a retreat for people of all sorts.

COLLECTION, composure; deduction.

COLLOP, small slice, piece of flesh.

COLLY, blacken.

COLOUR, pretext.

COLOURS, &quot;fear no --,&quot; no enemy (quibble).

COLSTAFF, cowlstaff, pole for carrying a cowl=tub.

COME ABOUT, charge, turn round.

COMFORTABLE BREAD, spiced gingerbread.

COMING, forward, ready to respond, complaisant.

COMMENT, commentary; &quot;sometime it is taken for a lie
or fayned tale&quot; (Bullokar, 1616).

COMMODITY, &quot;current for --,&quot; allusion to practice of
money-lenders, who forced the borrower to take part of
the loan in the shape of worthless goods on which the
latter had to make money if he could.

COMMUNICATE, share.

COMPASS, &quot;in --,&quot; within the range, sphere.

COMPLEMENT, completion, completement; anything
required for the perfecting or carrying out of
a person or affair; accomplishment.

COMPLEXION, natural disposition, constitution.

COMPLIMENT, See Complement.

COMPLIMENTARIES, masters of accomplishments.

COMPOSITION, constitution; agreement, contract.

COMPOSURE, composition.

COMPTER, COUNTER, debtors' prison.

CONCEALMENT, a certain amount of church property
had been retained at the dissolution of the monasteries;
Elizabeth sent commissioners to search it out, and the
courtiers begged for it.

CONCEIT, idea, fancy, witty invention, conception, opinion.

CONCEIT, apprehend.

CONCEITED, fancifully, ingeniously devised or conceived;
possessed of intelligence, witty, ingenious (hence well
conceited, etc.); disposed to joke; of opinion, possessed
of an idea.

CONCEIVE, understand.

CONCENT, harmony, agreement.

CONCLUDE, infer, prove.

CONCOCT, assimilate, digest.

CONDEN'T, probably conducted.

CONDUCT, escort, conductor.

CONEY-CATCH, cheat.

CONFECT, sweetmeat.

CONFER, compare.

CONGIES, bows.

CONNIVE, give a look, wink, of secret intelligence.


CONSORT, company, concert.

CONSTANCY, fidelity, ardour, persistence.

CONSTANT, confirmed, persistent, faithful.

CONSTANTLY, firmly, persistently.

CONTEND, strive.

CONTINENT, holding together.

CONTROL (the point), bear or beat down.

CONVENT, assembly, meeting.

CONVERT, turn (oneself).

CONVEY, transmit from one to another.

CONVINCE, evince, prove; overcome, overpower; convict.

COP, head, top; tuft on head of birds; &quot;a cop&quot; may
have reference to one or other meaning; Gifford and
others interpret as &quot;conical, terminating in a point.&quot;

COPE-MAN, chapman.

COPESMATE, companion.

COPY (Lat. copia), abundance, copiousness.

CORN (&quot;powder --&quot;), grain.

COROLLARY, finishing part or touch.

CORSIVE, corrosive.

CORTINE, curtain, (arch.) wall between two towers, etc.

CORYAT, famous for his travels, published as &quot;Coryat's
Crudities.&quot;

COSSET, pet lamb, pet.

COSTARD, head.

COSTARD-MONGER, apple-seller, coster-monger.

COSTS, ribs.

COTE, hut.

COTHURNAL, from &quot;cothurnus,&quot; a particular boot worn by
actors in Greek tragedy.

COTQUEAN, hussy.

COUNSEL, secret.

COUNTENANCE, means necessary for support; credit, standing.

COUNTER.  See Compter.

COUNTER, pieces of metal or ivory for calculating at play.

COUNTER, &quot;hunt --,&quot; follow scent in reverse direction.

COUNTERFEIT, false coin.

COUNTERPANE, one part or counterpart of a deed or indenture.

COUNTERPOINT, opposite, contrary point.

COURT-DISH, a kind of drinking-cup (Halliwell); N.E.D.
quotes from Bp. Goodman's &quot;Court of James I.&quot;: &quot;The
king...caused his carver to cut him out a court-dish,
that is, something of every dish, which he sent him as
part of his reversion,&quot; but this does not sound like
short allowance or small receptacle.

COURT-DOR, fool.

COURTEAU, curtal, small horse with docked tail.

COURTSHIP, courtliness.

COVETISE, avarice.

COWSHARD, cow dung.

COXCOMB, fool's cap, fool.

COY, shrink; disdain.

COYSTREL, low varlet.

COZEN, cheat.

CRACK, lively young rogue, wag.

CRACK, crack up, boast; come to grief.

CRAMBE, game of crambo, in which the players find
rhymes for a given word.

CRANCH, craunch.

CRANION, spider-like; also fairy appellation for a
fly (Gifford, who refers to lines in Drayton's
&quot;Nimphidia&quot;).

CRIMP, game at cards.

CRINCLE, draw back, turn aside.

CRISPED, with curled or waved hair.

CROP, gather, reap.

CROPSHIRE, a kind of herring.  (See N.E.D.)

CROSS, any piece of money, many coins being stamped
with a cross.

CROSS AND PILE, heads and tails.

CROSSLET, crucible.

CROWD, fiddle.

CRUDITIES, undigested matter.

CRUMP, curl up.

CRUSADO, Portuguese gold coin, marked with a cross.

CRY (&quot;he that cried Italian&quot;), &quot;speak in a musical
cadence,&quot; intone, or declaim (?); cry up.

CUCKING-STOOL, used for the ducking of scolds, etc.

CUCURBITE, a gourd-shaped vessel used for distillation.

CUERPO, &quot;in --,&quot; in undress.

CULLICE, broth.

CULLION, base fellow, coward.

CULLISEN, badge worn on their arm by servants.

CULVERIN, kind of cannon.

CUNNING, skill.

CUNNING, skilful.

CUNNING-MAN, fortune-teller.

CURE, care for.

CURIOUS(LY), scrupulous, particular; elaborate,
elegant(ly), dainty(ly) (hence &quot;in curious&quot;).

CURST, shrewish, mischievous.

CURTAL, dog with docked tail, of inferior sort.

CUSTARD, &quot;quaking --,&quot; &quot; -- politic,&quot; reference to
a large custard which formed part of a city feast
and afforded huge entertainment, for the fool jumped
into it, and other like tricks were played.  (See
&quot;All's Well, etc.&quot; ii. 5, 40.)

CUTWORK, embroidery, open-work.

CYPRES (CYPRUS) (quibble), cypress (or cyprus) being
a transparent material, and when black used for mourning.

DAGGER (&quot; -- frumety&quot;), name of tavern.

DARGISON, apparently some person known in ballad or tale.

DAUPHIN MY BOY, refrain of old comic song.

DAW, daunt.

DEAD LIFT, desperate emergency.

DEAR, applied to that which in any way touches us nearly.

DECLINE, turn off from; turn away, aside.

DEFALK, deduct, abate.

DEFEND, forbid.

DEGENEROUS, degenerate.

DEGREES, steps.

DELATE, accuse.

DEMI-CULVERIN, cannon carrying a ball of about ten pounds.

DENIER, the smallest possible coin, being the twelfth
part of a sou.

DEPART, part with.

DEPENDANCE, ground of quarrel in duello language.

DESERT, reward.

DESIGNMENT, design.

DESPERATE, rash, reckless.

DETECT, allow to be detected, betray, inform against.

DETERMINE, terminate.

DETRACT, draw back, refuse.

DEVICE, masque, show; a thing moved by wires,
etc., puppet.

DEVISE, exact in every particular.

DEVISED, invented.

DIAPASM, powdered aromatic herbs, made into balls
of perfumed paste.  (See Pomander.)

DIBBLE, (?) moustache (N.E.D.); (?) dagger (Cunningham).

DIFFUSED, disordered, scattered, irregular.

DIGHT, dressed.

DILDO, refrain of popular songs; vague term of low meaning.

DIMBLE, dingle, ravine.

DIMENSUM, stated allowance.

DISBASE, debase.

DISCERN, distinguish, show a difference between.

DISCHARGE, settle for.

DISCIPLINE, reformation; ecclesiastical system.

DISCLAIM, renounce all part in.

DISCOURSE, process of reasoning, reasoning faculty.

DISCOURTSHIP, discourtesy.

DISCOVER, betray, reveal; display.

DISFAVOUR, disfigure.

DISPARAGEMENT, legal term applied to the unfitness
in any way of a marriage arranged for in the case
of wards.

DISPENSE WITH, grant dispensation for.

DISPLAY, extend.

DIS'PLE, discipline, teach by the whip.

DISPOSED, inclined to merriment.

DISPOSURE, disposal.

DISPRISE, depreciate.

DISPUNCT, not punctilious.

DISQUISITION, search.

DISSOLVED, enervated by grief.

DISTANCE, (?) proper measure.

DISTASTE, offence, cause of offence.

DISTASTE, render distasteful.

DISTEMPERED, upset, out of humour.

DIVISION (mus.), variation, modulation.

DOG-BOLT, term of contempt.

DOLE, given in dole, charity.

DOLE OF FACES, distribution of grimaces.

DOOM, verdict, sentence.

DOP, dip, low bow.

DOR, beetle, buzzing insect, drone, idler.

DOR, (?) buzz; &quot;give the --,&quot; make a fool of.

DOSSER, pannier, basket.

DOTES, endowments, qualities.

DOTTEREL, plover; gull, fool.

DOUBLE, behave deceitfully.

DOXY, wench, mistress.

DRACHM, Greek silver coin.

DRESS, groom, curry.

DRESSING, coiffure.

DRIFT, intention.

DRYFOOT, track by mere scent of foot.

DUCKING, punishment for minor offences.

DUILL, grieve.

DUMPS, melancholy, originally a mournful melody.

DURINDANA, Orlando's sword.

DWINDLE, shrink away, be overawed.

EAN, yean, bring forth young.

EASINESS, readiness.

EBOLITION, ebullition.

EDGE, sword.

EECH, eke.

EGREGIOUS, eminently excellent.

EKE, also, moreover.

E-LA, highest note in the scale.

EGGS ON THE SPIT, important business on hand.

ELF-LOCK, tangled hair, supposed to be the work of elves.

EMMET, ant.

ENGAGE, involve.

ENGHLE.  See Ingle.

ENGHLE, cajole; fondle.

ENGIN(E), device, contrivance; agent; ingenuity, wit.

ENGINER, engineer, deviser, plotter.

ENGINOUS, crafty, full of devices; witty, ingenious.

ENGROSS, monopolise.

ENS, an existing thing, a substance.

ENSIGNS, tokens, wounds.

ENSURE, assure.

ENTERTAIN, take into service.

ENTREAT, plead.

ENTREATY, entertainment.

ENTRY, place where a deer has lately passed.

ENVOY, denouement, conclusion.

ENVY, spite, calumny, dislike, odium.

EPHEMERIDES, calendars.

EQUAL, just, impartial.

ERECTION, elevation in esteem.

ERINGO, candied root of the sea-holly, formerly
used as a sweetmeat and aphrodisiac.

ERRANT, arrant.

ESSENTIATE, become assimilated.

ESTIMATION, esteem.

ESTRICH, ostrich.

ETHNIC, heathen.

EURIPUS, flux and reflux.

EVEN, just equable.

EVENT, fate, issue.

EVENT(ED), issue(d).

EVERT, overturn.

EXACUATE, sharpen.

EXAMPLESS, without example or parallel.

EXCALIBUR, King Arthur's sword.

EXEMPLIFY, make an example of.

EXEMPT, separate, exclude.

EXEQUIES, obsequies.

EXHALE, drag out.

EXHIBITION, allowance for keep, pocket-money.

EXORBITANT, exceeding limits of propriety or law,
inordinate.

EXORNATION, ornament.

EXPECT, wait.

EXPIATE, terminate.

EXPLICATE, explain, unfold.

EXTEMPORAL, extempore, unpremeditated.

EXTRACTION, essence.

EXTRAORDINARY, employed for a special or temporary purpose.

EXTRUDE, expel.

EYE, &quot;in --,&quot; in view.

EYEBRIGHT, (?) a malt liquor in which the herb of
this name was infused, or a person who sold the same
(Gifford).

EYE-TINGE, least shade or gleam.

FACE, appearance.

FACES ABOUT, military word of command.

FACINOROUS, extremely wicked.

FACKINGS, faith.

FACT, deed, act, crime.

FACTIOUS, seditious, belonging to a party, given to party feeling.

FAECES, dregs.

FAGIOLI, French beans.

FAIN, forced, necessitated.

FAITHFUL, believing.

FALL, ruff or band turned back on the shoulders; or, veil.

FALSIFY, feign (fencing term).

FAME, report.

FAMILIAR, attendant spirit.

FANTASTICAL, capricious, whimsical.

FARCE, stuff.

FAR-FET.  See Fet.

FARTHINGAL, hooped petticoat.

FAUCET, tapster.

FAULT, lack; loss, break in line of scent; &quot;for --,&quot; in default of.

FAUTOR, partisan.

FAYLES, old table game similar to backgammon.

FEAR(ED), affright(ed).

FEAT, activity, operation; deed, action.

FEAT, elegant, trim.

FEE, &quot;in --&quot; by feudal obligation.

FEIZE, beat, belabour.

FELLOW, term of contempt.

FENNEL, emblem of flattery.

FERE, companion, fellow.

FERN-SEED, supposed to have power of rendering invisible.

FET, fetched.

FETCH, trick.

FEUTERER (Fr. vautrier), dog-keeper.

FEWMETS, dung.

FICO, fig.

FIGGUM, (?) jugglery.

FIGMENT, fiction, invention.

FIRK, frisk, move suddenly, or in jerks; &quot;-- up,&quot;
stir up, rouse; &quot;firks mad,&quot; suddenly behaves like
a madman.

FIT, pay one out, punish.

FITNESS, readiness.

FITTON (FITTEN), lie, invention.

FIVE-AND-FIFTY, &quot;highest number to stand on at
primero&quot; (Gifford).

FLAG, to fly low and waveringly.

FLAGON CHAIN, for hanging a smelling-bottle (Fr.
flacon) round the neck (?).  (See N.E.D.).

FLAP-DRAGON, game similar to snap-dragon.

FLASKET, some kind of basket.

FLAW, sudden gust or squall of wind.

FLAWN, custard.

FLEA, catch fleas.

FLEER, sneer, laugh derisively.

FLESH, feed a hawk or dog with flesh to incite
it to the chase; initiate in blood-shed; satiate.

FLICKER-MOUSE, bat.

FLIGHT, light arrow.

FLITTER-MOUSE, bat.

FLOUT, mock, speak and act contemptuously.

FLOWERS, pulverised substance.

FLY, familiar spirit.

FOIL, weapon used in fencing; that which
sets anything off to advantage.

FOIST, cut-purse, sharper.

FOND(LY), foolish(ly).

FOOT-CLOTH, housings of ornamental cloth which
hung down on either side a horse to the ground.

FOOTING, foothold; footstep; dancing.

FOPPERY, foolery.

FOR, &quot;-- failing,&quot; for fear of failing.

FORBEAR, bear with; abstain from.

FORCE, &quot;hunt at --,&quot; run the game down with dogs.

FOREHEAD, modesty; face, assurance, effrontery.

FORESLOW, delay.

FORESPEAK, bewitch; foretell.

FORETOP, front lock of hair which fashion
required to be worn upright.

FORGED, fabricated.

FORM, state formally.

FORMAL, shapely; normal; conventional.

FORTHCOMING, produced when required.

FOUNDER, disable with over-riding.

FOURM, form, lair.

FOX, sword.

FRAIL, rush basket in which figs or raisins
were packed.

FRAMPULL, peevish, sour-tempered.

FRAPLER, blusterer, wrangler.

FRAYING, &quot;a stag is said to fray his head when he
rubs it against a tree to...cause the outward coat
of the new horns to fall off&quot; (Gifford).

FREIGHT (of the gazetti), burden (of the newspapers).

FREQUENT, full.

FRICACE, rubbing.

FRICATRICE, woman of low character.

FRIPPERY, old clothes shop.

FROCK, smock-frock.

FROLICS, (?) humorous verses circulated at a feast
(N.E.D.); couplets wrapped round sweetmeats (Cunningham).

FRONTLESS, shameless.

FROTED, rubbed.

FRUMETY, hulled wheat boiled in milk and spiced.

FRUMP, flout, sneer.

FUCUS, dye.

FUGEAND, (?) figent: fidgety, restless (N.E.D.).

FULLAM, false dice.

FULMART, polecat.

FULSOME, foul, offensive.

FURIBUND, raging, furious.

GALLEY-FOIST, city-barge, used on Lord Mayor's Day,
when he was sworn into his office at Westminster
(Whalley).

GALLIARD, lively dance in triple time.

GAPE, be eager after.

GARAGANTUA, Rabelais' giant.

GARB, sheaf (Fr. gerbe); manner, fashion, behaviour.

GARD, guard, trimming, gold or silver lace, or other
ornament.

GARDED, faced or trimmed.

GARNISH, fee.

GAVEL-KIND, name of a land-tenure existing chiefly in
Kent; from 16th century often used to denote custom
of dividing a deceased man's property equally among
his sons (N.E.D.).

GAZETTE, small Venetian coin worth about three-farthings.

GEANCE, jaunt, errand.

GEAR (GEER), stuff, matter, affair.

GELID, frozen.

GEMONIES, steps from which the bodies of criminals
were thrown into the river.

GENERAL, free, affable.

GENIUS, attendant spirit.

GENTRY, gentlemen; manners characteristic of gentry,
good breeding.

GIB-CAT, tom-cat.

GIGANTOMACHIZE, start a giants' war.

GIGLOT, wanton.

GIMBLET, gimlet.

GING, gang.

GLASS (&quot;taking in of shadows, etc.&quot;), crystal or beryl.

GLEEK, card game played by three; party of three, trio;
side glance.

GLICK (GLEEK), jest, gibe.

GLIDDER, glaze.

GLORIOUSLY, of vain glory.

GODWIT, bird of the snipe family.

GOLD-END-MAN, a buyer of broken gold and silver.

GOLL, hand.

GONFALIONIER, standard-bearer, chief magistrate, etc.

GOOD, sound in credit.

GOOD-YEAR, good luck.

GOOSE-TURD, colour of.  (See Turd).

GORCROW, carrion crow.

GORGET, neck armour.

GOSSIP, godfather.

GOWKED, from &quot;gowk,&quot; to stand staring and gaping like
a fool.

GRANNAM, grandam.

GRASS, (?) grease, fat.

GRATEFUL, agreeable, welcome.

GRATIFY, give thanks to.

GRATITUDE, gratuity.

GRATULATE, welcome, congratulate.

GRAVITY, dignity.

GRAY, badger.

GRICE, cub.

GRIEF, grievance.

GRIPE, vulture, griffin.

GRIPE'S EGG, vessel in shape of.

GROAT, fourpence.

GROGRAN, coarse stuff made of silk and mohair, or of
coarse silk.

GROOM-PORTER, officer in the royal household.

GROPE, handle, probe.

GROUND, pit (hence &quot;grounded judgments&quot;).

GUARD, caution, heed.

GUARDANT, heraldic term: turning the head only.

GUILDER, Dutch coin worth about 4d.

GULES, gullet, throat; heraldic term for red.

GULL, simpleton, dupe.

GUST, taste.

HAB NAB, by, on, chance.

HABERGEON, coat of mail.

HAGGARD, wild female hawk; hence coy, wild.

HALBERD, combination of lance and battle-axe.

HALL, &quot;a --!&quot; a cry to clear the room for the dancers.

HANDSEL, first money taken.

HANGER, loop or strap on a sword-belt from which the
sword was suspended.

HAP, fortune, luck.

HAPPILY, haply.

HAPPINESS, appropriateness, fitness.

HAPPY, rich.

HARBOUR, track, trace (an animal) to its shelter.

HARD-FAVOURED, harsh-featured.

HARPOCRATES, Horus the child, son of Osiris, figured
with a finger pointing to his mouth, indicative of
silence.

HARRINGTON, a patent was granted to Lord H. for the
coinage of tokens (q.v.).

HARROT, herald.

HARRY NICHOLAS, founder of a community called the
&quot;Family of Love.&quot;

HAY, net for catching rabbits, etc.

HAY! (Ital. hai!), you have it (a fencing term).

HAY IN HIS HORN, ill-tempered person.

HAZARD, game at dice; that which is staked.

HEAD, &quot;first --,&quot; young deer with antlers first
sprouting; fig. a newly-ennobled man.

HEADBOROUGH, constable.

HEARKEN AFTER, inquire; &quot;hearken out,&quot; find, search out.

HEARTEN, encourage.

HEAVEN AND HELL (&quot;Alchemist&quot;), names of taverns.

HECTIC, fever.

HEDGE IN, include.

HELM, upper part of a retort.

HER'NSEW, hernshaw, heron.

HIERONIMO (JERONIMO), hero of Kyd's &quot;Spanish Tragedy.&quot;

HOBBY, nag.

HOBBY-HORSE, imitation horse of some light material,
fastened round the waist of the morrice-dancer, who
imitated the movements of a skittish horse.

HODDY-DODDY, fool.

HOIDEN, hoyden, formerly applied to both sexes (ancient
term for leveret?  Gifford).

HOLLAND, name of two famous chemists.

HONE AND HONERO, wailing expressions of lament or discontent.

HOOD-WINK'D, blindfolded.

HORARY, hourly.

HORN-MAD, stark mad (quibble).

HORN-THUMB, cut-purses were in the habit of wearing a horn
shield on the thumb.

HORSE-BREAD-EATING, horses were often fed on coarse bread.

HORSE-COURSER, horse-dealer.

HOSPITAL, Christ's Hospital.

HOWLEGLAS, Eulenspiegel, the hero of a popular German
tale which relates his buffooneries and knavish tricks.

HUFF, hectoring, arrogance.

HUFF IT, swagger.

HUISHER (Fr. huissier), usher.

HUM, beer and spirits mixed together.

HUMANITIAN, humanist, scholar.

HUMOROUS, capricious, moody, out of humour; moist.

HUMOUR, a word used in and out of season in the time
of Shakespeare and Ben Jonson, and ridiculed by both.

HUMOURS, manners.

HUMPHREY, DUKE, those who were dinnerless spent the
dinner-hour in a part of St. Paul's where stood a
monument said to be that of the duke's; hence &quot;dine
with Duke Humphrey,&quot; to go hungry.

HURTLESS, harmless.

IDLE, useless, unprofitable.

ILL-AFFECTED, ill-disposed.

ILL-HABITED, unhealthy.

ILLUSTRATE, illuminate.

IMBIBITION, saturation, steeping.

IMBROCATA, fencing term: a thrust in tierce.

IMPAIR, impairment.

IMPART, give money.

IMPARTER, any one ready to be cheated and to part
with his money.

IMPEACH, damage.

IMPERTINENCIES, irrelevancies.

IMPERTINENT(LY), irrelevant(ly), without reason or purpose.

IMPOSITION, duty imposed by.

IMPOTENTLY, beyond power of control.

IMPRESS, money in advance.

IMPULSION, incitement.

IN AND IN, a game played by two or three persons
with four dice.

INCENSE, incite, stir up.

INCERATION, act of covering with wax; or reducing
a substance to softness of wax.

INCH, &quot;to their --es,&quot; according to their stature,
capabilities.

INCH-PIN, sweet-bread.

INCONVENIENCE, inconsistency, absurdity.

INCONY, delicate, rare (used as a term of affection).

INCUBEE, incubus.

INCUBUS, evil spirit that oppresses us in sleep, nightmare.

INCURIOUS, unfastidious, uncritical.

INDENT, enter into engagement.

INDIFFERENT, tolerable, passable.

INDIGESTED, shapeless, chaotic.

INDUCE, introduce.

INDUE, supply.

INEXORABLE, relentless.

INFANTED, born, produced.

INFLAME, augment charge.

INGENIOUS, used indiscriminantly for ingenuous;
intelligent, talented.

INGENUITY, ingenuousness.

INGENUOUS, generous.

INGINE.  See Engin.

INGINER, engineer.  (See Enginer).

INGLE, OR ENGHLE, bosom friend, intimate, minion.

INHABITABLE, uninhabitable.

INJURY, insult, affront.

IN-MATE, resident, indwelling.

INNATE, natural.

INNOCENT, simpleton.

INQUEST, jury, or other official body of inquiry.

INQUISITION, inquiry.

INSTANT, immediate.

INSTRUMENT, legal document.

INSURE, assure.

INTEGRATE, complete, perfect.

INTELLIGENCE, secret information, news.

INTEND, note carefully, attend, give ear to, be
occupied with.

INTENDMENT, intention.

INTENT, intention, wish.

INTENTION, concentration of attention or gaze.

INTENTIVE, attentive.

INTERESSED, implicated.

INTRUDE, bring in forcibly or without leave.

INVINCIBLY, invisibly.

INWARD, intimate.

IRPE (uncertain), &quot;a fantastic grimace, or contortion
of the body: (Gifford).

JACK, Jack o' the clock, automaton figure that strikes
the hour; Jack-a-lent, puppet thrown at in Lent.

JACK, key of a virginal.

JACOB'S STAFF, an instrument for taking altitudes and
distances.

JADE, befool.

JEALOUSY, JEALOUS, suspicion, suspicious.

JERKING, lashing.

JEW'S TRUMP, Jew's harp.

JIG, merry ballad or tune; a fanciful dialogue or
light comic act introduced at the end or during an
interlude of a play.

JOINED (JOINT)-STOOL, folding stool.

JOLL, jowl.

JOLTHEAD, blockhead.

JUMP, agree, tally.

JUST YEAR, no one was capable of the consulship until
he was forty-three.

KELL, cocoon.

KELLY, an alchemist.

KEMB, comb.

KEMIA, vessel for distillation.

KIBE, chap, sore.

KILDERKIN, small barrel.

KILL, kiln.

KIND, nature; species; &quot;do one's --,&quot; act according
to one's nature.

KIRTLE, woman's gown of jacket and petticoat.

KISS OR DRINK AFORE ME, &quot;this is a familiar expression,
employed when what the speaker is just about to say is
anticipated by another&quot; (Gifford).

KIT, fiddle.

KNACK, snap, click.

KNIPPER-DOLING, a well-known Anabaptist.

KNITTING CUP, marriage cup.

KNOCKING, striking, weighty.

KNOT, company, band; a sandpiper or robin snipe (Tringa
canutus); flower-bed laid out in fanciful design.

KURSINED, KYRSIN, christened.

LABOURED, wrought with labour and care.

LADE, load(ed).

LADING, load.

LAID, plotted.

LANCE-KNIGHT (Lanzknecht), a German mercenary foot-soldier.

LAP, fold.

LAR, household god.

LARD, garnish.

LARGE, abundant.

LARUM, alarum, call to arms.

LATTICE, tavern windows were furnished with lattices of
various colours.

LAUNDER, to wash gold in aqua regia, so as imperceptibly
to extract some of it.

LAVE, ladle, bale.

LAW, &quot;give --,&quot; give a start (term of chase).

LAXATIVE, loose.

LAY ABOARD, run alongside generally with intent to board.

LEAGUER, siege, or camp of besieging army.

LEASING, lying.

LEAVE, leave off, desist.

LEER, leering or &quot;empty, hence, perhaps, leer horse,
a horse without a rider; leer is an adjective meaning
uncontrolled, hence 'leer drunkards'&quot; (Halliwell);
according to Nares, a leer (empty) horse meant also a
led horse; leeward, left.

LEESE, lose.

LEGS, &quot;make --,&quot; do obeisance.

LEIGER, resident representative.

LEIGERITY, legerdemain.

LEMMA, subject proposed, or title of the epigram.

LENTER, slower.

LET, hinder.

LET, hindrance.

LEVEL COIL, a rough game...in which one hunted
another from his seat.  Hence used for any noisy
riot (Halliwell).

LEWD, ignorant.

LEYSTALLS, receptacles of filth.

LIBERAL, ample.

LIEGER, ledger, register.

LIFT(ING), steal(ing); theft.

LIGHT, alight.

LIGHTLY, commonly, usually, often.

LIKE, please.

LIKELY, agreeable, pleasing.

LIME-HOUND, leash-, blood-hound.

LIMMER, vile, worthless.

LIN, leave off.

Line, &quot;by --,&quot; by rule.

LINSTOCK, staff to stick in the ground, with forked
head to hold a lighted match for firing cannon.

LIQUID, clear.

LIST, listen, hark; like, please.

LIVERY, legal term, delivery of the possession, etc.

LOGGET, small log, stick.

LOOSE, solution; upshot, issue; release of an arrow.

LOSE, give over, desist from; waste.

LOUTING, bowing, cringing.

LUCULENT, bright of beauty.

LUDGATHIANS, dealers on Ludgate Hill.

LURCH, rob, cheat.

LUTE, to close a vessel with some kind of cement.

MACK, unmeaning expletive.

MADGE-HOWLET or OWL, barn-owl.

MAIM, hurt, injury.

MAIN, chief concern (used as a quibble on heraldic
term for &quot;hand&quot;).

MAINPRISE, becoming surety for a prisoner so as to
procure his release.

MAINTENANCE, giving aid, or abetting.

MAKE, mate.

MAKE, MADE, acquaint with business, prepare(d), instruct(ed).

MALLANDERS, disease of horses.

MALT HORSE, dray horse.

MAMMET, puppet.

MAMMOTHREPT, spoiled child.

MANAGE, control (term used for breaking-in horses);
handling, administration.

MANGO, slave-dealer.

MANGONISE, polish up for sale.

MANIPLES, bundles, handfuls.

MANKIND, masculine, like a virago.

MANKIND, humanity.

MAPLE FACE, spotted face (N.E.D.).

MARCHPANE, a confection of almonds, sugar, etc.

MARK, &quot;fly to the --,&quot; &quot;generally said of a goshawk
when, having 'put in' a covey of partridges, she takes
stand, marking the spot where they disappeared from
view until the falconer arrives to put them out to her&quot;
(Harting, Bibl. Accip. Gloss. 226).

MARLE, marvel.

MARROW-BONE MAN, one often on his knees for prayer.

MARRY! exclamation derived from the Virgin's name.

MARRY GIP, &quot;probably originated from By Mary Gipcy =
St. Mary of Egypt, (N.E.D.).

MARTAGAN, Turk's cap lily.

MARYHINCHCO, stringhalt.

MASORETH, Masora, correct form of the scriptural text
according to Hebrew tradition.

MASS, abb. for master.

MAUND, beg.

MAUTHER, girl, maid.

MEAN, moderation.

MEASURE, dance, more especially a stately one.

MEAT, &quot;carry -- in one's mouth,&quot; be a source of money
or entertainment.

MEATH, metheglin.

MECHANICAL, belonging to mechanics, mean, vulgar.

MEDITERRANEO, middle aisle of St. Paul's, a general
resort for business and amusement.

MEET WITH, even with.

MELICOTTON, a late kind of peach.

MENSTRUE, solvent.

MERCAT, market.

MERD, excrement.

MERE, undiluted; absolute, unmitigated.

MESS, party of four.

METHEGLIN, fermented liquor, of which one ingredient
was honey.

METOPOSCOPY, study of physiognomy.

MIDDLING GOSSIP, go-between.

MIGNIARD, dainty, delicate.

MILE-END, training-ground of the city.

MINE-MEN, sappers.

MINION, form of cannon.

MINSITIVE, (?) mincing, affected (N.E.D.).

MISCELLANY MADAM, &quot;a female trader in miscellaneous
articles; a dealer in trinkets or ornaments of various
kinds, such as kept shops in the New Exchange&quot; (Nares).

MISCELLINE, mixed grain; medley.

MISCONCEIT, misconception.

MISPRISE, MISPRISION, mistake, misunderstanding.

MISTAKE AWAY, carry away as if by mistake.

MITHRIDATE, an antidote against poison.

MOCCINIGO, small Venetian coin, worth about ninepence.

MODERN, in the mode; ordinary, commonplace.

MOMENT, force or influence of value.

MONTANTO, upward stroke.

MONTH'S MIND, violent desire.

MOORISH, like a moor or waste.

MORGLAY, sword of Bevis of Southampton.

MORRICE-DANCE, dance on May Day, etc., in which
certain personages were represented.

MORTALITY, death.

MORT-MAL, old sore, gangrene.

MOSCADINO, confection flavoured with musk.

MOTHER, Hysterica passio.

MOTION, proposal, request; puppet, puppet-show;
&quot;one of the small figures on the face of a large
clock which was moved by the vibration of the
pendulum&quot; (Whalley).

MOTION, suggest, propose.

MOTLEY, parti-coloured dress of a fool; hence
used to signify pertaining to, or like, a fool.

MOTTE, motto.

MOURNIVAL, set of four aces or court cards in a hand;
a quartette.

MOW, setord hay or sheaves of grain.

MUCH! expressive of irony and incredulity.

MUCKINDER, handkerchief.

MULE, &quot;born to ride on --,&quot; judges or serjeants-at-law
formerly rode on mules when going in state to Westminster
(Whally).

MULLETS, small pincers.

MUM-CHANCE, game of chance, played in silence.

MUN, must.

MUREY, dark crimson red.

MUSCOVY-GLASS, mica.

MUSE, wonder.

MUSICAL, in harmony.

MUSS, mouse; scramble.

MYROBOLANE, foreign conserve, &quot;a dried plum, brought
from the Indies.&quot;

MYSTERY, art, trade, profession.

NAIL, &quot;to the --&quot; (ad unguem), to perfection, to the
very utmost.

NATIVE, natural.

NEAT, cattle.

NEAT, smartly apparelled; unmixed; dainty.

NEATLY, neatly finished.

NEATNESS, elegance.

NEIS, nose, scent.

NEUF (NEAF, NEIF), fist.

NEUFT, newt.

NIAISE, foolish, inexperienced person.

NICE, fastidious, trivial, finical, scrupulous.

NICENESS, fastidiousness.

NICK, exact amount; right moment; &quot;set in the --,&quot;
meaning uncertain.

NICE, suit, fit; hit, seize the right moment, etc.,
exactly hit on, hit off.

NOBLE, gold coin worth 6s. 8d.

NOCENT, harmful.

NIL, not will.

NOISE, company of musicians.

NOMENTACK, an Indian chief from Virginia.

NONES, nonce.

NOTABLE, egregious.

NOTE, sign, token.

NOUGHT, &quot;be --,&quot; go to the devil, be hanged, etc.

NOWT-HEAD, blockhead.

NUMBER, rhythm.

NUPSON, oaf, simpleton.

OADE, woad.

OBARNI, preparation of mead.

OBJECT, oppose; expose; interpose.

OBLATRANT, barking, railing.

OBNOXIOUS, liable, exposed; offensive.

OBSERVANCE, homage, devoted service.

OBSERVANT, attentive, obsequious.

OBSERVE, show deference, respect.

OBSERVER, one who shows deference, or waits upon another.

OBSTANCY, legal phrase, &quot;juridical opposition.&quot;

OBSTREPEROUS, clamorous, vociferous.

OBSTUPEFACT, stupefied.

ODLING, (?) &quot;must have some relation to tricking and
cheating&quot; (Nares).

OMINOUS, deadly, fatal.

ONCE, at once; for good and all; used also for additional
emphasis.

ONLY, pre-eminent, special.

OPEN, make public; expound.

OPPILATION, obstruction.

OPPONE, oppose.

OPPOSITE, antagonist.

OPPRESS, suppress.

ORIGINOUS, native.

ORT, remnant, scrap.

OUT, &quot;to be --,&quot; to have forgotten one's part;
not at one with each other.

OUTCRY, sale by auction.

OUTRECUIDANCE, arrogance, presumption.

OUTSPEAK, speak more than.

OVERPARTED, given too difficult a part to play.

OWLSPIEGEL.  See Howleglass.

OYEZ!  (O YES!), hear ye! call of the public crier
when about to make a proclamation.

PACKING PENNY, &quot;give a --,&quot; dismiss, send packing.

PAD, highway.

PAD-HORSE, road-horse.

PAINED (PANED) SLOPS, full breeches made of strips
of different colour and material.

PAINFUL, diligent, painstaking.

PAINT, blush.

PALINODE, ode of recantation.

PALL, weaken, dim, make stale.

PALM, triumph.

PAN, skirt of dress or coat.

PANNEL, pad, or rough kind of saddle.

PANNIER-ALLY, inhabited by tripe-sellers.

PANNIER-MAN, hawker; a man employed about the inns of
court to bring in provisions, set the table, etc.

PANTOFLE, indoor shoe, slipper.

PARAMENTOS, fine trappings.

PARANOMASIE, a play upon words.

PARANTORY, (?) peremptory.

PARCEL, particle, fragment (used contemptuously); article.

PARCEL, part, partly.

PARCEL-POET, poetaster.

PARERGA, subordinate matters.

PARGET, to paint or plaster the face.

PARLE, parley.

PARLOUS, clever, shrewd.

PART, apportion.

PARTAKE, participate in.

PARTED, endowed, talented.

PARTICULAR, individual person.

PARTIZAN, kind of halberd.

PARTRICH, partridge.

PARTS, qualities, endowments.

PASH, dash, smash.

PASS, care, trouble oneself.

PASSADO, fencing term: a thrust.

PASSAGE, game at dice.

PASSINGLY, exceedingly.

PASSION, effect caused by external agency.

PASSION, &quot;in --,&quot; in so melancholy a tone, so pathetically.

PATOUN, (?) Fr. Paton, pellet of dough; perhaps the
&quot;moulding of the tobacco...for the pipe&quot; (Gifford); (?)
variant of Petun, South American name of tobacco.

PATRICO, the recorder, priest, orator of strolling
beggars or gipsies.

PATTEN, shoe with wooden sole; &quot;go --,&quot; keep step with,
accompany.

PAUCA VERBA, few words.

PAVIN, a stately dance.

PEACE, &quot;with my master's --,&quot; by leave, favour.

PECULIAR, individual, single.

PEDANT, teacher of the languages.

PEEL, baker's shovel.

PEEP, speak in a small or shrill voice.

PEEVISH(LY), foolish(ly), capricious(ly); childish(ly).

PELICAN, a retort fitted with tube or tubes, for
continuous distillation.

PENCIL, small tuft of hair.

PERDUE, soldier accustomed to hazardous service.

PEREMPTORY, resolute, bold; imperious; thorough, utter,
absolute(ly).

PERIMETER, circumference of a figure.

PERIOD, limit, end.

PERK, perk up.

PERPETUANA, &quot;this seems to be that glossy kind of stuff
now called everlasting, and anciently worn by serjeants
and other city officers&quot; (Gifford).

PERSPECTIVE, a view, scene or scenery; an optical device
which gave a distortion to the picture unless seen from a
particular point; a relief, modelled to produce an
optical illusion.

PERSPICIL, optic glass.

PERSTRINGE, criticise, censure.

PERSUADE, inculcate, commend.

PERSWAY, mitigate.

PERTINACY, pertinacity.

PESTLING, pounding, pulverising, like a pestle.

PETASUS, broad-brimmed hat or winged cap worn by Mercury.

PETITIONARY, supplicatory.

PETRONEL, a kind of carbine or light gun carried by horsemen.

PETULANT, pert, insolent.

PHERE.  See Fere.

PHLEGMA, watery distilled liquor (old chem. &quot;water&quot;).

PHRENETIC, madman.

PICARDIL, stiff upright collar fastened on to the coat
(Whalley).

PICT-HATCH, disreputable quarter of London.

PIECE, person, used for woman or girl; a gold coin
worth in Jonson's time 20s. or 22s.

PIECES OF EIGHT, Spanish coin: piastre equal to eight
reals.

PIED, variegated.

PIE-POUDRES (Fr. pied-poudreux, dusty-foot), court held
at fairs to administer justice to itinerant vendors and
buyers.

PILCHER, term of contempt; one who wore a buff or leather
jerkin, as did the serjeants of the counter; a pilferer.

PILED, pilled, peeled, bald.

PILL'D, polled, fleeced.

PIMLICO, &quot;sometimes spoken of as a person -- perhaps
master of a house famous for a particular ale&quot; (Gifford).

PINE, afflict, distress.

PINK, stab with a weapon; pierce or cut in scallops for
ornament.

PINNACE, a go-between in infamous sense.

PISMIRE, ant.

PISTOLET, gold coin, worth about 6s.

PITCH, height of a bird of prey's flight.

PLAGUE, punishment, torment.

PLAIN, lament.

PLAIN SONG, simple melody.

PLAISE, plaice.

PLANET, &quot;struck with a --,&quot; planets were supposed to
have powers of blasting or exercising secret influences.

PLAUSIBLE, pleasing.

PLAUSIBLY, approvingly.

PLOT, plan.

PLY, apply oneself to.

POESIE, posy, motto inside a ring.

POINT IN HIS DEVICE, exact in every particular.

POINTS, tagged laces or cords for fastening the breeches
to the doublet.

POINT-TRUSSER, one who trussed (tied) his master's
points (q.v.).

POISE, weigh, balance.

POKING-STICK, stick used for setting the plaits of ruffs.

POLITIC, politician.

POLITIC, judicious, prudent, political.

POLITICIAN, plotter, intriguer.

POLL, strip, plunder, gain by extortion.

POMANDER, ball of perfume, worn or hung about the
person to prevent infection, or for foppery.

POMMADO, vaulting on a horse without the aid of stirrups.

PONTIC, sour.

POPULAR, vulgar, of the populace.

POPULOUS, numerous.

PORT, gate; print of a deer's foot.

PORT, transport.

PORTAGUE, Portuguese gold coin, worth over 3 or 4
pounds.

PORTCULLIS, &quot;-- of coin,&quot; some old coins have a
portcullis stamped on their reverse (Whalley).

PORTENT, marvel, prodigy; sinister omen.

PORTENTOUS, prophesying evil, threatening.

PORTER, references appear &quot;to allude to Parsons, the king's
porter, who was...near seven feet high&quot; (Whalley).

POSSESS, inform, acquaint.

POST AND PAIR, a game at cards.

POSY, motto.  (See Poesie).

POTCH, poach.

POULT-FOOT, club-foot.

POUNCE, claw, talon.

PRACTICE, intrigue, concerted plot.

PRACTISE, plot, conspire.

PRAGMATIC, an expert, agent.

PRAGMATIC, officious, conceited, meddling.

PRECEDENT, record of proceedings.

PRECEPT, warrant, summons.

PRECISIAN(ISM), Puritan(ism), preciseness.

PREFER, recommend.

PRESENCE, presence chamber.

PRESENT(LY), immediate(ly), without delay; at the
present time; actually.

PRESS, force into service.

PREST, ready.

PRETEND, assert, allege.

PREVENT, anticipate.

PRICE, worth, excellence.

PRICK, point, dot used in the writing of Hebrew and
other languages.

PRICK, prick out, mark off, select; trace, track;
&quot;-- away,&quot; make off with speed.

PRIMERO, game of cards.

PRINCOX, pert boy.

PRINT, &quot;in --,&quot; to the letter, exactly.

PRISTINATE, former.

PRIVATE, private interests.

PRIVATE, privy, intimate.

PROCLIVE, prone to.

PRODIGIOUS, monstrous, unnatural.

PRODIGY, monster.

PRODUCED, prolonged.

PROFESS, pretend.

PROJECTION, the throwing of the &quot;powder of projection&quot;
into the crucible to turn the melted metal into gold or
silver.

PROLATE, pronounce drawlingly.

PROPER, of good appearance, handsome; own, particular.

PROPERTIES, stage necessaries.

PROPERTY, duty; tool.

PRORUMPED, burst out.

PROTEST, vow, proclaim (an affected word of that time);
formally declare non-payment, etc., of bill of exchange;
fig. failure of personal credit, etc.

PROVANT, soldier's allowance -- hence, of common make.

PROVIDE, foresee.

PROVIDENCE, foresight, prudence.

PUBLICATION, making a thing public of common property (N.E.D.).

PUCKFIST, puff-ball; insipid, insignificant, boasting fellow.

PUFF-WING, shoulder puff.

PUISNE, judge of inferior rank, a junior.

PULCHRITUDE, beauty.

PUMP, shoe.

PUNGENT, piercing.

PUNTO, point, hit.

PURCEPT, precept, warrant.

PURE, fine, capital, excellent.

PURELY, perfectly, utterly.

PURL, pleat or fold of a ruff.

PURSE-NET, net of which the mouth is drawn together
with a string.

PURSUIVANT, state messenger who summoned the persecuted
seminaries; warrant officer.

PURSY, PURSINESS, shortwinded(ness).

PUT, make a push, exert yourself (N.E.D.).

PUT OFF, excuse, shift.

PUT ON, incite, encourage; proceed with, take in hand, try.

QUACKSALVER, quack.

QUAINT, elegant, elaborated, ingenious, clever.

QUAR, quarry.

QUARRIED, seized, or fed upon, as prey.

QUEAN, hussy, jade.

QUEASY, hazardous, delicate.

QUELL, kill, destroy.

QUEST, request; inquiry.

QUESTION, decision by force of arms.

QUESTMAN, one appointed to make official inquiry.

QUIB, QUIBLIN, quibble, quip.

QUICK, the living.

QUIDDIT, quiddity, legal subtlety.

QUIRK, clever turn or trick.

QUIT, requite, repay; acquit, absolve; rid; forsake,
leave.

QUITTER-BONE, disease of horses.

QUODLING, codling.

QUOIT, throw like a quoit, chuck.

QUOTE, take note, observe, write down.

RACK, neck of mutton or pork (Halliwell).

RAKE UP, cover over.

RAMP, rear, as a lion, etc.

RAPT, carry away.

RAPT, enraptured.

RASCAL, young or inferior deer.

RASH, strike with a glancing oblique blow, as a
boar with its tusk.

RATSEY, GOMALIEL, a famous highwayman.

RAVEN, devour.

REACH, understand.

REAL, regal.

REBATU, ruff, turned-down collar.

RECTOR, RECTRESS, director, governor.

REDARGUE, confute.

REDUCE, bring back.

REED, rede, counsel, advice.

REEL, run riot.

REFEL, refute.

REFORMADOES, disgraced or disbanded soldiers.

REGIMENT, government.

REGRESSION, return.

REGULAR (&quot;Tale of a Tub&quot;), regular noun (quibble) (N.E.D.).

RELIGION, &quot;make -- of,&quot; make a point of, scruple of.

RELISH, savour.

REMNANT, scrap of quotation.

REMORA, species of fish.

RENDER, depict, exhibit, show.

REPAIR, reinstate.

REPETITION, recital, narration.

REREMOUSE, bat.

RESIANT, resident.

RESIDENCE, sediment.

RESOLUTION, judgment, decision.

RESOLVE, inform; assure; prepare, make up one's mind;
dissolve; come to a decision, be convinced; relax, set
at ease.

RESPECTIVE, worthy of respect; regardful, discriminative.

RESPECTIVELY, with reverence.

RESPECTLESS, regardless.

RESPIRE, exhale; inhale.

RESPONSIBLE, correspondent.

REST, musket-rest.

REST, &quot;set up one's --,&quot; venture one's all, one's
last stake (from game of primero).

REST, arrest.

RESTIVE, RESTY, dull, inactive.

RETCHLESS(NESS), reckless(ness).

RETIRE, cause to retire.

RETRICATO, fencing term.

RETRIEVE, rediscovery of game once sprung.

RETURNS, ventures sent abroad, for the safe return of
which so much money is received.

REVERBERATE, dissolve or blend by reflected heat.

REVERSE, REVERSO, back-handed thrust, etc., in fencing.

REVISE, reconsider a sentence.

RHEUM, spleen, caprice.

RIBIBE, abusive term for an old woman.

RID, destroy, do away with.

RIFLING, raffling, dicing.

RING, &quot;cracked within the --,&quot; coins so cracked were
unfit for currency.

RISSE, risen, rose.

RIVELLED, wrinkled.

ROARER, swaggerer.

ROCHET, fish of the gurnet kind.

ROCK, distaff.

RODOMONTADO, braggadocio.

ROGUE, vagrant, vagabond.

RONDEL, &quot;a round mark in the score of a public-house&quot;
(Nares); roundel.

ROOK, sharper; fool, dupe.

ROSAKER, similar to ratsbane.

ROSA-SOLIS, a spiced spirituous liquor.

ROSES, rosettes.

ROUND, &quot;gentlemen of the --,&quot; officers of inferior rank.

ROUND TRUNKS, trunk hose, short loose breeches reaching
almost or quite to the knees.

ROUSE, carouse, bumper.

ROVER, arrow used for shooting at a random mark at
uncertain distance.

ROWLY-POWLY, roly-poly.

RUDE, RUDENESS, unpolished, rough(ness), coarse(ness).

RUFFLE, flaunt, swagger.

RUG, coarse frieze.

RUG-GOWNS, gown made of rug.

RUSH, reference to rushes with which the floors were
then strewn.

RUSHER, one who strewed the floor with rushes.

RUSSET, homespun cloth of neutral or reddish-brown colour.

SACK, loose, flowing gown.

SADLY, seriously, with gravity.

SAD(NESS), sober, serious(ness).

SAFFI, bailiffs.

ST. THOMAS A WATERINGS, place in Surrey where criminals
were executed.

SAKER, small piece of ordnance.

SALT, leap.

SALT, lascivious.

SAMPSUCHINE, sweet marjoram.

SARABAND, a slow dance.

SATURNALS, began December 17.

SAUCINESS, presumption, insolence.

SAUCY, bold, impudent, wanton.

SAUNA (Lat.), a gesture of contempt.

SAVOUR, perceive; gratify, please; to partake of the nature.

SAY, sample.

SAY, assay, try.

SCALD, word of contempt, implying dirt and disease.

SCALLION, shalot, small onion.

SCANDERBAG, &quot;name which the Turks (in allusion to
Alexander the Great) gave to the brave Castriot, chief
of Albania, with whom they had continual wars.  His
romantic life had just been translated&quot; (Gifford).

SCAPE, escape.

SCARAB, beetle.

SCARTOCCIO, fold of paper, cover, cartouch, cartridge.

SCONCE, head.

SCOPE, aim.

SCOT AND LOT, tax, contribution (formerly a parish
assessment).

SCOTOMY, dizziness in the head.

SCOUR, purge.

SCOURSE, deal, swap.

SCRATCHES, disease of horses.

SCROYLE, mean, rascally fellow.

SCRUPLE, doubt.

SEAL, put hand to the giving up of property or rights.

SEALED, stamped as genuine.

SEAM-RENT, ragged.

SEAMING LACES, insertion or edging.

SEAR UP, close by searing, burning.

SEARCED, sifted.

SECRETARY, able to keep a secret.

SECULAR, worldly, ordinary, commonplace.

SECURE, confident.

SEELIE, happy, blest.

SEISIN, legal term: possession.

SELLARY, lewd person.

SEMBLABLY, similarly.

SEMINARY, a Romish priest educated in a foreign seminary.

SENSELESS, insensible, without sense or feeling.

SENSIBLY, perceptibly.

SENSIVE, sensitive.

SENSUAL, pertaining to the physical or material.

SERENE, harmful dew of evening.

SERICON, red tincture.

SERVANT, lover.

SERVICES, doughty deeds of arms.

SESTERCE, Roman copper coin.

SET, stake, wager.

SET UP, drill.

SETS, deep plaits of the ruff.

SEWER, officer who served up the feast, and brought
water for the hands of the guests.

SHAPE, a suit by way of disguise.

SHIFT, fraud, dodge.

SHIFTER, cheat.

SHITTLE, shuttle; &quot;shittle-cock,&quot; shuttlecock.

SHOT, tavern reckoning.

SHOT-CLOG, one only tolerated because he paid the shot
(reckoning) for the rest.

SHOT-FREE, scot-free, not having to pay.

SHOVE-GROAT, low kind of gambling amusement, perhaps
somewhat of the nature of pitch and toss.

SHOT-SHARKS, drawers.

SHREWD, mischievous, malicious, curst.

SHREWDLY, keenly, in a high degree.

SHRIVE, sheriff; posts were set up before his door for
proclamations, or to indicate his residence.

SHROVING, Shrovetide, season of merriment.

SIGILLA, seal, mark.

SILENCED BRETHERN, MINISTERS, those of the Church or
Nonconformists who had been silenced, deprived, etc.

SILLY, simple, harmless.

SIMPLE, silly, witless; plain, true.

SIMPLES, herbs.

SINGLE, term of chase, signifying when the hunted stag
is separated from the herd, or forced to break covert.

SINGLE, weak, silly.

SINGLE-MONEY, small change.

SINGULAR, unique, supreme.

SI-QUIS, bill, advertisement.

SKELDRING, getting money under false pretences; swindling.

SKILL, &quot;it --s not,&quot; matters not.

SKINK(ER), pour, draw(er), tapster.

SKIRT, tail.

SLEEK, smooth.

SLICE, fire shovel or pan (dial.).

SLICK, sleek, smooth.

'SLID, 'SLIGHT, 'SPRECIOUS, irreverent oaths.

SLIGHT, sleight, cunning, cleverness; trick.

SLIP, counterfeit coin, bastard.

SLIPPERY, polished and shining.

SLOPS, large loose breeches.

SLOT, print of a stag's foot.

SLUR, put a slur on; cheat (by sliding a die in some way).

SMELT, gull, simpleton.

SNORLE, &quot;perhaps snarl, as Puppy is addressed&quot; (Cunningham).

SNOTTERIE, filth.

SNUFF, anger, resentment; &quot;take in --,&quot; take offence at.

SNUFFERS, small open silver dishes for holding snuff,
or receptacle for placing snuffers in (Halliwell).

SOCK, shoe worn by comic actors.

SOD, seethe.

SOGGY, soaked, sodden.

SOIL, &quot;take --,&quot; said of a hunted stag when he takes
to the water for safety.

SOL, sou.

SOLDADOES, soldiers.

SOLICIT, rouse, excite to action.

SOOTH, flattery, cajolery.

SOOTHE, flatter, humour.

SOPHISTICATE, adulterate.

SORT, company, party; rank, degree.

SORT, suit, fit; select.

SOUSE, ear.

SOUSED (&quot;Devil is an Ass&quot;), fol. read &quot;sou't,&quot; which
Dyce interprets as &quot;a variety of the spelling of &quot;shu'd&quot;:
to &quot;shu&quot; is to scare a bird away.&quot;  (See his &quot;Webster,&quot;
page 350).

SOWTER, cobbler.

SPAGYRICA, chemistry according to the teachings of Paracelsus.

SPAR, bar.

SPEAK, make known, proclaim.

SPECULATION, power of sight.

SPED, to have fared well, prospered.

SPEECE, species.

SPIGHT, anger, rancour.

SPINNER, spider.

SPINSTRY, lewd person.

SPITTLE, hospital, lazar-house.

SPLEEN, considered the seat of the emotions.

SPLEEN, caprice, humour, mood.

SPRUNT, spruce.

SPURGE, foam.

SPUR-RYAL, gold coin worth 15s.

SQUIRE, square, measure; &quot;by the --,&quot; exactly.

STAGGERING, wavering, hesitating.

STAIN, disparagement, disgrace.

STALE, decoy, or cover, stalking-horse.

STALE, make cheap, common.

STALK, approach stealthily or under cover.

STALL, forestall.

STANDARD, suit.

STAPLE, market, emporium.

STARK, downright.

STARTING-HOLES, loopholes of escape.

STATE, dignity; canopied chair of state; estate.

STATUMINATE, support vines by poles or stakes; used
by Pliny (Gifford).

STAY, gag.

STAY, await; detain.

STICKLER, second or umpire.

STIGMATISE, mark, brand.

STILL, continual(ly), constant(ly).

STINKARD, stinking fellow.

STINT, stop.

STIPTIC, astringent.

STOCCATA, thrust in fencing.

STOCK-FISH, salted and dried fish.

STOMACH, pride, valour.

STOMACH, resent.

STOOP, swoop down as a hawk.

STOP, fill, stuff.

STOPPLE, stopper.

STOTE, stoat, weasel.

STOUP, stoop, swoop=bow.

STRAIGHT, straightway.

STRAMAZOUN (Ital. stramazzone), a down blow, as opposed
to the thrust.

STRANGE, like a stranger, unfamiliar.

STRANGENESS, distance of behaviour.

STREIGHTS, OR BERMUDAS, labyrinth of alleys and courts
in the Strand.

STRIGONIUM, Grau in Hungary, taken from the Turks in
1597.

STRIKE, balance (accounts).

STRINGHALT, disease of horses.

STROKER, smoother, flatterer.

STROOK, p.p. of &quot;strike.&quot;

STRUMMEL-PATCHED, strummel is glossed in dialect dicts.
as &quot;a long, loose and dishevelled head of hair.&quot;

STUDIES, studious efforts.

STYLE, title; pointed instrument used for writing on wax
tablets.

SUBTLE, fine, delicate, thin; smooth, soft.

SUBTLETY (SUBTILITY), subtle device.

SUBURB, connected with loose living.

SUCCUBAE, demons in form of women.

SUCK, extract money from.

SUFFERANCE, suffering.

SUMMED, term of falconry: with full-grown plumage.

SUPER-NEGULUM, topers turned the cup bottom up when
it was empty.

SUPERSTITIOUS, over-scrupulous.

SUPPLE, to make pliant.

SURBATE, make sore with walking.

SURCEASE, cease.

SUR-REVERENCE, save your reverence.

SURVISE, peruse.

SUSCITABILITY, excitability.

SUSPECT, suspicion.

SUSPEND, suspect.

SUSPENDED, held over for the present.

SUTLER, victualler.

SWAD, clown, boor.

SWATH BANDS, swaddling clothes.

SWINGE, beat.

TABERD, emblazoned mantle or tunic worn by knights
and heralds.

TABLE(S), &quot;pair of --,&quot; tablets, note-book.

TABOR, small drum.

TABRET, tabor.

TAFFETA, silk; &quot;tuft-taffeta,&quot; a more costly silken fabric.

TAINT, &quot;-- a staff,&quot; break a lance at tilting in an
unscientific or dishonourable manner.

TAKE IN, capture, subdue.

TAKE ME WITH YOU, let me understand you.

TAKE UP, obtain on credit, borrow.

TALENT, sum or weight of Greek currency.

TALL, stout, brave.

TANKARD-BEARERS, men employed to fetch water from the
conduits.

TARLETON, celebrated comedian and jester.

TARTAROUS, like a Tartar.

TAVERN-TOKEN, &quot;to swallow a --,&quot; get drunk.

TELL, count.

TELL-TROTH, truth-teller.

TEMPER, modify, soften.

TENDER, show regard, care for, cherish; manifest.

TENT, &quot;take --,&quot; take heed.

TERSE, swept and polished.

TERTIA, &quot;that portion of an army levied out of one
particular district or division of a country&quot; (Gifford).

TESTON, tester, coin worth 6d.

THIRDBOROUGH, constable.

THREAD, quality.

THREAVES, droves.

THREE-FARTHINGS, piece of silver current under Elizabeth.

THREE-PILED, of finest quality, exaggerated.

THRIFTILY, carefully.

THRUMS, ends of the weaver's warp; coarse yarn made from.

THUMB-RING, familiar spirits were supposed capable of
being carried about in various ornaments or parts of dress.

TIBICINE, player on the tibia, or pipe.

TICK-TACK, game similar to backgammon.

TIGHTLY, promptly.

TIM, (?) expressive of a climax of nonentity.

TIMELESS, untimely, unseasonable.

TINCTURE, an essential or spiritual principle supposed
by alchemists to be transfusible into material things;
an imparted characteristic or tendency.

TINK, tinkle.

TIPPET, &quot;turn --,&quot; change behaviour or way of life.

TIPSTAFF, staff tipped with metal.

TIRE, head-dress.

TIRE, feed ravenously, like a bird of prey.

TITILLATION, that which tickles the senses, as a perfume.

TOD, fox.

TOILED, worn out, harassed.

TOKEN, piece of base metal used in place of very small
coin, when this was scarce.

TONNELS, nostrils.

TOP, &quot;parish --,&quot; large top kept in villages for
amusement and exercise in frosty weather when people
were out of work.

TOTER, tooter, player on a wind instrument.

TOUSE, pull, rend.

TOWARD, docile, apt; on the way to; as regards; present,
at hand.

TOY, whim; trick; term of contempt.

TRACT, attraction.

TRAIN, allure, entice.

TRANSITORY, transmittable.

TRANSLATE, transform.

TRAY-TRIP, game at dice (success depended on throwing
a three) (Nares).

TREACHOUR (TRECHER), traitor.

TREEN, wooden.

TRENCHER, serving-man who carved or served food.

TRENDLE-TAIL, trundle-tail, curly-tailed.

TRICK (TRICKING), term of heraldry: to draw outline of
coat of arms, etc., without blazoning.

TRIG, a spruce, dandified man.

TRILL, trickle.

TRILLIBUB, tripe, any worthless, trifling thing.

TRIPOLY, &quot;come from --,&quot; able to perform feats of agility,
a &quot;jest nominal,&quot; depending on the first part of the word
(Gifford).

TRITE, worn, shabby.

TRIVIA, three-faced goddess (Hecate).

TROJAN, familiar term for an equal or inferior; thief.

TROLL, sing loudly.

TROMP, trump, deceive.

TROPE, figure of speech.

TROW, think, believe, wonder.

TROWLE, troll.

TROWSES, breeches, drawers.

TRUCHMAN, interpreter.

TRUNDLE, JOHN, well-known printer.

TRUNDLE, roll, go rolling along.

TRUNDLING CHEATS, term among gipsies and beggars for
carts or coaches (Gifford).

TRUNK, speaking-tube.

TRUSS, tie the tagged laces that fastened the breeches
to the doublet.

TUBICINE, trumpeter.

TUCKET (Ital. toccato), introductory flourish on the
trumpet.

TUITION, guardianship.

TUMBLER, a particular kind of dog so called from the

mode of his hunting.

TUMBREL-SLOP, loose, baggy breeches.

TURD, excrement.

TUSK, gnash the teeth (Century Dict.).

TWIRE, peep, twinkle.

TWOPENNY ROOM, gallery.

TYRING-HOUSE, attiring-room.

ULENSPIEGEL.  See Howleglass.

UMBRATILE, like or pertaining to a shadow.

UMBRE, brown dye.

UNBATED, unabated.

UNBORED, (?) excessively bored.

UNCARNATE, not fleshly, or of flesh.

UNCOUTH, strange, unusual.

UNDERTAKER, &quot;one who undertook by his influence in the
House of Commons to carry things agreeably to his
Majesty's wishes&quot; (Whalley); one who becomes surety for.

UNEQUAL, unjust.

UNEXCEPTED, no objection taken at.

UNFEARED, unaffrighted.

UNHAPPILY, unfortunately.

UNICORN'S HORN, supposed antidote to poison.

UNKIND(LY), unnatural(ly).

UNMANNED, untamed (term in falconry).

UNQUIT, undischarged.

UNREADY, undressed.

UNRUDE, rude to an extreme.

UNSEASONED, unseasonable, unripe.

UNSEELED, a hawk's eyes were &quot;seeled&quot; by sewing the
eyelids together with fine thread.

UNTIMELY, unseasonably.

UNVALUABLE, invaluable.

UPBRAID, make a matter of reproach.

UPSEE, heavy kind of Dutch beer (Halliwell); &quot;-- Dutch,&quot;
in the Dutch fashion.

UPTAILS ALL, refrain of a popular song.

URGE, allege as accomplice, instigator.

URSHIN, URCHIN, hedgehog.

USE, interest on money; part of sermon dealing with the
practical application of doctrine.

USE, be in the habit of, accustomed to; put out to interest.

USQUEBAUGH, whisky.

USURE, usury.

UTTER, put in circulation, make to pass current; put forth for sale.

VAIL, bow, do homage.

VAILS, tips, gratuities.

VALL.  See Vail.

VALLIES (Fr. valise), portmanteau, bag.

VAPOUR(S) (n. and v.), used affectedly, like &quot;humour,&quot;
in many senses, often very vaguely and freely ridiculed
by Jonson; humour, disposition, whims, brag(ging),
hector(ing), etc.

VARLET, bailiff, or serjeant-at-mace.

VAUT, vault.

VEER (naut.), pay out.

VEGETAL, vegetable; person full of life and vigour.

VELLUTE, velvet.

VELVET CUSTARD.  Cf. &quot;Taming of the Shrew,&quot; iv. 3, 82,
&quot;custard coffin,&quot; coffin being the raised crust over a pie.

VENT, vend, sell; give outlet to; scent, snuff up.

VENUE, bout (fencing term).

VERDUGO (Span.), hangman, executioner.

VERGE, &quot;in the --,&quot; within a certain distance of the court.

VEX, agitate, torment.

VICE, the buffoon of old moralities; some kind of
machinery for moving a puppet (Gifford).

VIE AND REVIE, to hazard a certain sum, and to cover
it with a larger one.

VINCENT AGAINST YORK, two heralds-at-arms.

VINDICATE, avenge.

VIRGE, wand, rod.

VIRGINAL, old form of piano.

VIRTUE, valour.

VIVELY, in lifelike manner, livelily.

VIZARD, mask.

VOGUE, rumour, gossip.

VOICE, vote.

VOID, leave, quit.

VOLARY, cage, aviary.

VOLLEY, &quot;at --,&quot; &quot;o' the volee,&quot; at random (from a
term of tennis).

VORLOFFE, furlough.

WADLOE, keeper of the Devil Tavern, where Jonson and his
friends met in the 'Apollo' room (Whalley).

WAIGHTS, waits, night musicians, &quot;band of musical
watchmen&quot; (Webster), or old form of &quot;hautboys.&quot;

WANNION, &quot;vengeance,&quot; &quot;plague&quot; (Nares).

WARD, a famous pirate.

WARD, guard in fencing.

WATCHET, pale, sky blue.

WEAL, welfare.

WEED, garment.

WEFT, waif.

WEIGHTS, &quot;to the gold --,&quot; to every minute particular.

WELKIN, sky.

WELL-SPOKEN, of fair speech.

WELL-TORNED, turned and polished, as on a wheel.

WELT, hem, border of fur.

WHER, whether.

WHETSTONE, GEORGE, an author who lived 1544(?) to 1587(?).

WHIFF, a smoke, or drink; &quot;taking the --,&quot; inhaling the
tobacco smoke or some such accomplishment.

WHIGH-HIES, neighings, whinnyings.

WHIMSY, whim, &quot;humour.&quot;

WHINILING, (?) whining, weakly.

WHIT, (?) a mere jot.

WHITEMEAT, food made of milk or eggs.

WICKED, bad, clumsy.

WICKER, pliant, agile.

WILDING, esp. fruit of wild apple or crab tree (Webster).

WINE, &quot;I have the -- for you,&quot; Prov.: I have the
perquisites (of the office) which you are to share
(Cunningham).

WINNY, &quot;same as old word &quot;wonne,&quot; to stay, etc.&quot; (Whalley).

WISE-WOMAN, fortune-teller.

WISH, recommend.

WISS (WUSSE), &quot;I --,&quot; certainly, of a truth.

WITHOUT, beyond.

WITTY, cunning, ingenious, clever.

WOOD, collection, lot.

WOODCOCK, term of contempt.

WOOLSACK (&quot;-- pies&quot;), name of tavern.

WORT, unfermented beer.

WOUNDY, great, extreme.

WREAK, revenge.

WROUGHT, wrought upon.

WUSSE, interjection.  (See Wiss).

YEANLING, lamb, kid.

ZANY, an inferior clown, who attended upon the chief
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&lt;div style=&quot;border:solid 1px tan; background:antiquewhite; color:#202122; padding:3px;&quot;&gt;Hello, Koavf, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. 

Please take a glance at our [[Help:Contents|help pages]] (especially [[Help:Adding texts|Adding texts]] and [[Wikisource:Style guide|Wikisource's style guide]]). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the ''[[Wikisource:Scriptorium|Scriptorium]]''. 

The [[Wikisource:Community Portal|Community Portal]] lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. &lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] &lt;sup&gt;'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Nominations for deletion ==

If you use {{tl|delete}}, you have to make an entry on the deletions page, as I did [http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=2084463 here]. If you think that it should be a speedy deletion, use {{tl|sdelete}}.--[[User:Longfellow|Longfellow]] ([[User talk:Longfellow|talk]]) 12:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Repeat of above request ==

Hi, adding {{tl|delete}} means that you need to log a proposal at [[WS:DEL|Proposed deletions]] explaining why there's a problem. If however you mean that the article/category/page meets one of the [[WS:CSD|speedy deletion criteria]], then please use {{tlx|sdelete|reason}}. It makes it easier to understand what you mean. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 03:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== We already use HotCat from Commons ==

Just so that you are aware, we already utilise the HotCat from Commons in our gadgets, and directly so it updates. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:'''Ah''' Good to know. Thanks. I didn't know where it was localized, etc.--I just looked in [[Special:Preferences]] and if the gadget wasn't there, I imported it from Commons. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::It is there, along with a few others (though it does need a tidy), and we look to &lt;s&gt;steal&lt;/s&gt; use others' gadgets wherever possible.  If you do have any suggestions for better sorting or explaining our gadgets, then that feedback would be most welcome. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::'''Huh''' I don't see it at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]... As you can tell from my [[Special:CentralAuth/Koavf|contribs]], talk, page, etc. I'm not that accustomed to how things work on en.ws, but I've always wanted to be a productive member here: it's a really great idea and resource. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Third from top.  I have just prepended it with HotCat, as presumably the label may attract those specifically looking for it.  Re partipication, if we know your poison, then surely someone can suggest a work.  An easier place to start is [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] where we usually take a work from scratch through to completion (if we can).  As it is active, it is a great way to see how others edit, and see where they have good shortcuts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::'''Thanks''' Added. I've always thought it bizarre that there aren't vast digital archives that have been imported here: legal documents, patents, public domain literature, etc. It seems like there must be databases upon databases out there to be scripted over to here--is there something obvious that I'm missing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::The purpose that we have is to look to bring verifiable text.  In earlier days, lots of texts have come gutenberg, verified by them, though still not perfect, and without images.  They can still come over, but numbers alone isn't the focus of many.  We have been bringing works in what we believe is a more structured means and we are looking to a more validated format.  Image to Commons, then [[Help:proofread|proofread]] and validated from the image.  We have also looked to do other sorts of works, [[DNB]], [[PSM]], often which can be used in support of WP articles; extracting quality images, store at Commons, display in the works, but to also have available across WMF. There is plenty more there, it probably is more quietly appearing.&lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
'''Sources''' I may be dense, but it seems like (e.g.) several governments will have reliably proofread texts stored electronically that could be ported over here with relative easy and automation. At the very least, you could store them in some tracking category like, [[:Category:Texts ported from the State of Alabama which need proofreading]] and readers could still find these texts useful. Again, I guess I'm just so ignorant that I'm asking bad questions. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:Yep, I was more focusing my comments on older works, those that are not currently online / readily available.  Some consider that those works that you identified that are permanently online, then sometimes there is less value on importing them, especially with the variety of licences that can apply to them.  Usually we can just as readily link to them from pages, we don't require the works to be housed locally to be part of the library, one could build an Author (person) page with offsite links, or a Portal (organisational authors) page to the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
::'''Library''' I suppose I still need to read up on what Wikisource's actual scope is, because I had a different impression about what it actually could or should do. If I understand you correctly, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed, honestly. (Although please don't take that as a slight against the hard work that I'm sure you and several other contributors put into this project.) —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:22, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] and [[Wikisource:For Wikipedians]].  I am '''not''' talking what we may, could or should be. I am talking where I see where we are as an evolved volunteer library that has limited resources, so more where we are in the journey. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== multiple blank lines ==

You don't need to use &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; over and over to create multiple blank lines. Just use multiple returns to insert blank lines directly. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. As you can see from my contribs, I'm getting the hang of ProofRead. Much appreciated! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Dates in diambiguation situations ==

Hi,

In light of some of your moves in the Author namespace, I ask you to please follow [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Author_pages|existing guidlines (#5)]] and refrain from using anything other than a plain old dash when it comes to an Author's basepage title that has any form of &quot;date&quot; in it. example...
* John Smith (1878-1956) - ''OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content''
* John Smith (1878–1956) - '''''NOT''' OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content. OK as a redirect to the main page however''
..... thanks -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Original Stories from Real Life]] ==

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|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;&quot; | '''The Honour Guard Award'''
|-
|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | For your outstanding and very welcome work on [[Original Stories from Real Life]]. --[[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
|}

I want you to know that this is the first time that I know of that any sort of attempt to do something in the honor of an editor who has, for whatever reason, left the project, and it is very very encouraging to see someone willing to spend the effort to do so. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

:Also, when the chaptering gets done, it might be worth while asking if a memorial template can be placed in a comparatively prominent place somewhere on the index page, index talk page, and/or on one or more of the relevant wikipedia talk pages. Considering I am blocked from editing in wikipedia till pretty much the end of the month, I have a feeling that if anything at wikipedia itself is to be done you are probably the man to do it. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 02:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::For whatever reason, don't ask me why, the final page isn't allowing me to validate it, I think because I made some changes to it. Maybe we can get someone else to do it? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== May I ask why [[special:diff/prev/5992092|this change?]] ==

If you are ''really'' sure then restore; but without explanation I will remain mystified... [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AuFCL}} Wow, that was weird. You are right and I am wrong--somehow, I saw that as being up one level higher in the hierarchy than it should have been. Sorry. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::Oh well; just glad the insanity wasn't mine—this time at least! [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== Please stop moving author pages ==

You are moving author pages against the policy of naming. Please stop. This is not enWP. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Look at my contribs: I'm moving them all back now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, though I am not sure how you thought that it was a great idea in the first place to start moving so many pages?  Did you think that we didn't know what we were doing? Stop to think to ask?  One too many new year drinks bring on some bravery? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} I'll just chalk that up to you being wound up. Thanks and have a good new year. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Nobody's perfect. Did you notice how you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AWilliam_Harvey_%281578-1657%29&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=6429448&amp;oldid=6106004 edited this author page] when it had an ndash? I've since [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:John_Wilson_(1785-1854)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591414 moved] all of the [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:William_Harvey_(1578-1657)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591416 ndash pages] to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Frederick_II_(1194-1250)&amp;action=history hyphens] (in spite of them being ungrammatical). If we work together, we can make things better--you don't need to talk down to me nor act put out when I was fixing my own mistakes and adding {{tl|no works}} to several pages, making them demonstrably better. I'm sure you know that I'm on balance an asset to the WMF projects, including this one. So are you. Onwards and upwards? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Titles on pages are not about grammar, that is about style. Grammar would be how they are used within a work, and you will see that we use an endash within the display of the template. The reason for why are is in the archives, and you would need to go back about 8 to 9 years. I wasn't trying to talk down to you, but it was pretty hard to comprehend how or why an experienced editor would be doing it, and their missing key indicators, when they were doing it. Of course we can work together. It looks all cleared up. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Oldwikisource-&gt;Mul ==

Check my recent contributions, In a bold move I've &quot;updated&quot; as many as interwikis as I felt able to. 

I've excluded some for technical reasons, associated Talk namespaces, User and Page namespace.  The use of oldwikisource in Page namespace seems to be ALL in a single work though, and could probably be updated with AWB very quickly..

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&amp;limit=500&amp;offset=0&amp;ns104=1&amp;search=insource%3A%2Foldwikisource%2Fi&amp;searchToken=69rsvrtej83wiexy2sn92xl49

Currently mul and oldwikisource interwiki prefix link to the same thing ?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Yes, [[s:mul:]] and [[s:OldWikisource:]] go to the same place. I could pull up the [[phab:]] tickets if you needed but I don't have them handy at the moment. Thanks for that--I think that we should really discourage the use of any non-ISO title and the sooner we switch them, the better. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW: [[Special:Interwiki]] gives a local view and confirms Koavf's note above.

== Categories for people ==

We no longer use categories for people on en-Wikisource to organize their works. Author pages fulfill this function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. Can you point me to a guideline? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Probably not, as many of our guidelines are unwritten or uncodified. But please point me to a category for any other President of the US or any other person. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't know any. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

::[[Help:Categorization]] seems to be the closest we've come to stating a guideline on this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Your block ==

User:Beeswaxcandle deleted that list, and explained why. Wikisource actively discourages the addition of material that is clearly not in PD. You have repeatedly recreated the list in various locations despite this fact, and in direct violation of what Wikisource is about. For this you have been blocked. Please do not encourage the addition of non-PD materials to Wikisource in future, or you will be blocked for a longer period. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I in no way encouraged the addition of non-free material--I added a disclaimer to the page for just that reason. Many author pages include lists of material that we host and do not host (sometimes outbound linking to other sites that do); why is this one any different? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Also, I am in the middle of doing several edits which are inarguably within policy and helpful. Please unblock me so that I can continue. Blocking without any warning especially while I'm in the midst of doing something useful is pointless. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I sorry that you do not understand how damaging it is to Wikisource to promote the addition of non-PD materials. I am sorry you do not understand why it is a bad idea to push over the actions of two different admins who explained the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I understand the scope of Wikisource hosting material that is free or not (not sure why you are exclusively referring to PD as we host many types of material which are not in the US public domain). Again, there is evidently not policy on listing works by an author but either way, I'm not interested in fighting about this. Please unblock me so that I can continue working on other issues. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You chose to fight the actions of two different admins, so claiming that you are not interested in fighting about this is disingenuous. You may continue working when the block expires. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It's not disingenuous at all, Pete. I tried a different approach each time, hoping that would be amenable. It's not like I did the same thing over and over again just hoping no one would notice--I tried to do something that would be workable for everyone. Instead of having a discussion about it, you went to block me. If you were to unblock me, I would go about my business doing other things here than this. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::Personally, I don't like seeing trusted users blocked, especially without notice, it is a very high standard to set. I also don't like users gallivanting on their merry way without reference to the community, especially when they have been undone. Good communication, tolerance, and approaching consensus from the softer side are always important. Can we please remove the block. Can we please have community members discuss their actions prior to making them a rod for all our backs, or hoisting us on to our own petards. If it looks bleeding obvious, yet it isn't urgent, and hasn't been done, asking about it may take a little longer, but at a community of this intermediate size, with leading protagonists, asking, piloting, testing, asking, has been proved to be effective. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Thanks. For what it's worth, I basically have work to do here daily. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Jr / Sr ==

Re: &quot;Jr is necessary as his father is notable as well&quot;. The issue on Wikisource is never just that of &quot;notability&quot;, but whether or not the other person '''published''' anything. I do not know in this case whether it will make any difference, but just want to make the reasoning clear to you. The issues on Wikisource are not the same as those on Wikipedia.

Also, please note that the document you are using to justify all of these Author page moves is an &quot;Essay&quot;, and has never been adopted as a Policy or as a Guideline by Wikisource. It is possible that some editors might take issue with certain moves to full names, although I have not seen any yet of that sort myself. Names like &quot;T. S. Eliot&quot; and &quot;Virginia Woolf&quot; in particular probably ought to have a discussion if they are to be moved. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What I mean as &quot;notable&quot; is not necessarily the sense of Wikipedia or Wikidata but yes, someone who may have produced a document/text/speech which could reasonably be reproduced here. You are mistaken about my justification: I am referring to the [[Help:Author_pages#Page_name|help documentation]] which says to not include titles and to include full names (except in instances of famous pseudonyms). Is there something I'm missing here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::I am not mistaken. You have linked to [[Wikisource:Author names]] in some of your edit summaries as justification. That page is tagged as an &quot;Essay&quot;. And as the Help page notes: sometimes a particular form of an author's name is used as if it were a pseudonym (T. S. Eliot, Virginia Woolf) and under those situations the better known pseudonym may be preferred. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

::Your move of [[Author:Abraham ibn Ezra]] to [[Author:Abraham ben Meir Ibn Ezra]] is the only one I saw that would might be considered objectionable (I've moved it back). Medieval Europe did not have a fixed system of naming as we as used to having today. Rather, individuals had a given name, but were recorded with whatever description might be needed as circumstances called for it. So, for example, Leonardo da Vinci (&quot;Leonardo, from Vinci&quot;) was usually enough to tell you ''which'' Leonardo someone was talking about, even though &quot;da Vinci&quot; was not actually part of his name. His &quot;full name&quot; was simply &quot;Leonardo&quot;. When treating with names before about 1500, the issue is more often: &quot;Which form of the name is used most often in modern scholarship?&quot; than &quot;What is the ''full'' name?&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} For names in the form &quot;de/du/d' [Place]&quot; I've left them if the person's name is too simple but moved them if the name is otherwise complete. In the case of &quot;Galileo Galilei&quot; or &quot;Leonardo da Vinci&quot; the Italian custom would be important to leave to those appellations so we can understand who it is supposed to be--similar to royalty. Of course, Anglo-style names from recent centuries are a lot easier for me to parse. I skipped a lot of Arabic names, ancient Greek ones, etc. If you see anything else that seems off-track, let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--that linked user essay gives examples like [[Author:James Matthew Barrie]] and doesn't call &quot;J.M.&quot; a pseudonym. If anything, that is an example consistent with the help documentation... Not sure what you're suggesting here nor what these examples are supposed to mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::: That's part of the problem. Some choices (like J. M. Barrie) are equivocal. The linked user Essay gives examples both ways without settling on one choice over the other, and does not use the best examples to explain the options. That Essay should not be used as a guide to make decisions about pagenames because it is a drafted (and abandoned) Essay that was crafted mostly by a single individual, and is not a Guideline or Policy. Help pages are likewise NOT guidelines or policies. That's my point: You're making lots of page moves based on a few sentences in a Help page and an Essay. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Barring any guideline or policy (of which there are only a handful anyway), then we may as well have something consistent and something that matches what we tell new users, right? If in 15 years there hasn't actually been some traction on formalizing a single standard across the project, that's unfortunate but on the one hand, it certainly leaves no reason to ''not'' make them consistent and on the other, we do have something written somewhere that prefers full names. Additionally, pages are routinely moved or created by others at full names and a page move based on a full name has passed by the Scriptorium recently without objection. In principle, it seems pretty clear that this is what is generally the case for many high-profile pages anyway. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] ==

Hey there, I came across [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] that you’ve added recently, but I’m not quite sure it complies to the guidelines for inclusion at Wikisource. I wanted to touch base with you before nominating it for deletion in case I’m missing something. 

As far as I can tell it’s a self published article, Medium is a blogging platform where anybody can just post something. They do have magazines, which can offer curated content, but in this case &quot;Humane Tech&quot; seems to be a magazine ran by Anil Dash himself. Do you know if it was published anywhere else that has peer-review or editorial controls? [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 09:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Marjoleinkl}} Medium is something like a self-publishing platform but some sub-sections of the site have an editorial policy. I have seen it commented on in other sites which have some professional editorial standards (e.g. [https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-28-february-2017 O'Reilly] or [https://boingboing.net/2017/02/28/silicon-ponzi.html BoingBoing]) but it was neither originally published there nor has it been reproduced elsewhere as far as I can tall. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::: Thanks for your reply. It’s a really recent text, it might get picked up more later. Right now it is unfortunately in a subsection that was editorialized by Anil Dash himself, which means it would solely self published and makes me lean towards requesting deletion. I’ll give it a few more days to see if it pops up anywhere else. It’s an interesting read for sure  [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 12:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== author pages for modern authors ==

For someone like [[Author:Alexandre J. M. E. Christoyannopoulos]] we would not normally create such an author page as the works  won't be in the public domain or freely available. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} But his will be, as he's an anarchist and makes it a point to publish openly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Koavf}} making us guess that is not overt information — a note on talk page would have helped. If he has works available already, then feel free to link to them externally now, works are preferred though not required to be local. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} There ''are'' works linked on his page now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== Why do you do seemingly pointless editing, and without community consultation? ==

What is the purpose or benefit of italicising all the PSM subheadings? eg. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Spencer_Walpole&amp;curid=499559&amp;diff=7041919&amp;oldid=6440788] We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions. If you are looking to undertake a large scale change like that it really should be put before the community for discussion so we can look at author pages holistically, and we all decide what is best. This has been mentioned to you before about unilateral actions, so how about they stop. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I saw something to fix, so I fixed it. The substantial majority of the headings were not italicized but some were—surely, it's not ''preferable'' for them to be inconsistent. I like well-formatted text and on an archival/library project, that's particularly important (e.g. look at all the myriad [[:Category:TOC_templates|templates we have for formatting tables of contents]]!) I am not seeing what you're going for here: are you suggesting that periodicals ''shouldn't'' be italicized (i.e. that this is controversial somehow and I should have elicited feedback from others because this is too potentially &lt;del&gt;inflammatory&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;contentious&lt;/ins&gt;) or that you want ''more'' periodicals italicized (i.e. that it is a task that will require others' intervention as well, so mentioning it at the Scriptorium will ensure that it's done more uniformly)? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
::I just looked thru your history... &quot;We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions&quot; literally the last page you edited before you came here was [[Author:William Samuel Lilly]] which had two such subdivisions... —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Style guide and quotation marks ==

Hi. Please read the guidance on quotation marks in [[Wikisource:Style guide]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Template:A ==

This is superfluous. We already have {{tl|al}} (author link). Wikisource discourages the proliferation of superfluous templates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I certainly have no objection to deleting any of them but if anything, why not {{tl|a}} over {{tl|al}}, since it's easier to type? Plus, since redirects are cheap, I don't really see the incentive to deleting any of them unless you think that something else will plausibly be named {{tl|a}}. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--what?! Why did you block me? What in the world? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:As I said before. '''DO NOT RECREATE COMMUNITY DELETED CONTENT'''. When it has been deleted again, and you have been asked ''not'' to create superfluous content, do not then recreate it again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Right--I didn't. Originally, I made a template, then I made a redirect. Is there some policy against that? What are you thinking? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Originally you made a template that did what a ''previously deleted template did''. Then you created it again as a redirect ''to do exactly what the deleted content did''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Billinghurst}} It looks like Petey just left. Can you please review this? This is outrageous to me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::The block may be outrageous, but so are the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:A|number of templates beginning with the letter A]] that equally qualify as those to which {{tl|a}} could redirect, and thus should not be wholly dismissed in favor of this one. If you really want to use this for author links, just ask on the Scriptorium again and find some agreement first. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 07:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Mahir256}} Yeah, that's fine. There's no reason to block me under a false pretense that I recreated deleted content. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::It's not a false pretense. The template was deleted before, and when you created it, you would have seen a warning that you were recreating deleted content. Then after it was deleted and you were warned directly, you created the redirect to do exactly what had already been deleted twice before. In future, do not simply disregard such warnings. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Well, that's BS as I didn't recreated anything deleted. Creating something else with the same name is not the same thing--I am ashamed for you for being so rude and aggressive instead of (e.g.) deleting the redirect and posting to my talk, which is a simple thing to do (e.g. the two other persons who did so). Why you think that is the correct choice is beyond me and I think you made a stupid and bad decision that was pointless. I feel bad for others you interact with if this is how you think you should be an admin when interacting with good faith users. You already drove me away from adding a lot of content in the first place form your first bad and unjustified block, so I don't know why you make it a point to try to be hostile to me since I add value to the project. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I wouldn't have blocked you, though you do undertake actions rather casually and without reference to the style guide and practice that you know well exists, then to repeat that action does send an interesting challenge. Creating a shortcut redirect for one letter based on your preference is not helpful; especially when we have so many templates for the character &quot;a&quot; and its variations. I hate some of our shortcut templates as they lack intuitiveness for new users &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh}} {{hws}} {{hwe}} {{hi}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are painful. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;''
* {{comment}} We also have to consider that many of the single-letter templates have different meanings on other projects. We do still get transwikied pages here, and for shorter template names, there is a higher likelihood that a template from one project will be interpreted quite differently here. There are usually good reasons behind deletions made by the community, and usually good reasons why we don't have more template redirects. It is always better to ask ''before'' making a change, rather than ''after''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== Engine ==

You've had this explained to you more than once. Do not force yourself into being blocked again. Start a discussion if you think the Wikisource Community should change. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What in the world are you doing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::Undoing your tagging of Featured Works. If you don't understand I'm sorry we weren't clear: 
::* DO NOT TAG EVERY WORK ON WIKISOURCE WITH {{tl|engine}}.
::* DO NOT ALTER FEATURED TEXTS.
::I'm sorry if you're just not able to understand, but you will not be told again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't be an ass to me. Why should ''[[The Writings of St. Francis of Assisi]]'' &lt;ins&gt;or ''[[A Simplified Grammar of the Swedish Language]]''&lt;/ins&gt; be unsearchable? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::See above comment. And please stop pinging me. I'll consider it harassment if you continue.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: How is that relevant? See what I wrote above: you can stop being an ass and be a decent person instead. You lack simple judgement and even the most basic courtesy sometimes. How about you take a moment to either come up with a coherent response or just stop harassing me altogether if you can't be civil? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: See above comment. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Please go away now--you are being harassing and rude. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:15, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== Mixing category trees ==

Please do not mix the Author category trees with Subject category trees. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== Bot accounts for bot edits ==

Hi.  Please don't flood RC with rapid edits.  If you need to do such things, then please get a bot account, or organise with a bureaucrat to have a temporary assignation of a flood right. Thanks. Not certain why this conversation needs to occur with an experienced editor. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} What do you have in mind? &gt;3 edits/min? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Not sure if you saw the above. If you have a rough time estimate, that will let me know how to 1.) throttle or 2.) request the flood flag. I'm guessing something like three to six a minute. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

== Works about ==

House style is to complete this phrase in the section header for Author pages, usually with the person's surname as in &quot;Works about Brown&quot;, rather than leaving the phrase uncompleted as &quot;Works about&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Nice. Very helpful. Is this documented and I missed it? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
::See [[Help:Author pages#Works about the author]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Are we recreating this from scratch, or undeleting the edit history?

Note: Technically there are still 7 hours to go until 2019 as far as the WM servers in San Francisco are concerned. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I can't undelete, so I am recreating. I have several scans to use (see Commons) and illustrations to add still. Was the previous version from a scan or raw text? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:: Raw text. As an admin, I can undelete. But the question is whether we should do so. If you're going to work from a scan in the immediate future, then there's little point in undeleting the copy-paste edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Agreed--I don't see any value in it since it (should be???) would be identical. I'm adding illustrations from the scans and will probably do a proper index of the 1926 Knopf edition. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

:Having put the effort into the previously available works, I feel entitled to press you on this. Please create the content in the work space and transclude it when done. As with the earlier works, there is no shortage of shoddy versions of this elsewhere; we might as well do it properly. Doing this in the workspace (Page: and Index:) means you can do as little or as much as you like.  &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} I can't understand you. Can you reword this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry, try reading it again, &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} No thanks. It just seems like you're telling me to do what I'm already doing which seems like a waste. If you have new information, please let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::We shall see. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} Sure. Great talk. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Just stumbled across this exchange while mining for technical details in talk pages, wanted to say I love it - warms the heart to know I'm not the only person who...gets frustrated by talkpage messages here (and I've only been here a couple weeks! Though I'm not particularly taking sides in this dispute - just saying it's an amusing read) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Yeah, that's one way to put it. :/ Shalom/salaam/shlema yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Google to DjVu ==

Are you able to pull a Google Books (or Hathi Trust) PDF file and create a DjVu? There is one volume of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' that doesn't seem to exist on IA, but a reasonable copy created by Google exists on the Hathi Trust: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101803428]

If you have the capability to pull the PDF and generate a DjVu for Commons as [[:File:Henry VI Part 2 (1923) Yale.djvu]] it would be greatly appreciated. It's not ideal, but I cannot find a better scan.

If you cannot do this, then perhaps you know someone who might be able to do so? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Always happy to help. I can convert PDFs to DJVU, yes. I do not have a login for Hathi Trust, tho so I don't have access to the PDF original. Their site [https://www.hathitrust.org/help_digital_library#Download claims] that I don't need to be part of a member institution to download public domain works but I'm not seeing how to do this... Can you help me figure out how to get the PDF in the first place? Are you familiar with their site? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Forget it. I got it from Google Books. It will be uploaded momentarily. I assume that you'll do the work at Commons like you did with the last upload but please let me know if you need more from me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::: Setting up all the bibliographic info is a snap for me, so I can certainly do that, as long as you provide the link to the file's source. The ultimate goal is to make a full set of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' available, once all the volumes are in public domain. Xover has been transcribing the history plays, and ''2 Henry VI'' is the only one of those currently missing. Thanks again for taking on the task. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks for all the work you do here. https://books.google.com/books?id=t2BNAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PP7&amp;dq=The+second+part+of+King+Henry+the+Sixth+/+edited+by+Tucker+Brooke.&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwj0gN2axdXgAhXKop4KHZ5cC7IQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

There are two more Yale Shakespeare volume in PD that do not have IA scans, but are available at books.google. Could you please process/convert/upload these to Commons? These two will be the last in the series (at least for 2019).

: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}DA2uKrVaIPIC}} -&gt; [[:File:Shakespeare's Sonnets (1923) Yale.djvu]]
: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}3IAEAQAAIAAJ}} -&gt; [[:File:Romeo and Juliet (1917) Yale.djvu]]

As with previous volumes, I will happily take care of adding all the file data myself, if you can accomplish the uploads. Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} {{done}}. Can you please add categories as well? Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:: Certainly. Thanks again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== Peshitta ==

Following up on my WP message—I've put up [[Index:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu]] and made a start on his Gospel translation (beginning [[Page:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu/283|here]]). After uploading it I realised Barnes's Psalter only has a critical apparatus and no translation.

I also uploaded:
* &quot;[[:File:Fourth Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents.djvu|4 Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents]]&quot; by Barnes which has translations of the latter though not the Peshitta
* [[:File:Syriac New Testament (Murdock).djvu|Murdock's Syriac New Testament translation]]
* [[:File:Translation of the Syriac Peshito version of the Psalms of David.djvu|Oliver's Syriac Psalter translation]]

Transcribing the original and the public domain critical Syriac editions listed at [http://syri.ac/bible syri.ac], including Barnes's, on the multilingual WS might be a good longer-term project. —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]]) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== My Airships ==

Hi Koavf!! I just saw that you validated two pages from the [[Index:My Airships.djvu|My Airships]]. Could you help me with the following summaries/image list pages? Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 22:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Erick Soares3}} No, I can't--I don't have the time now. If you don't get anyone to help you for several days, you can try pinging me again but I don't want to commit to something and fail. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::Ok! Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 23:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

== Broken encoding of apostrophes in page titles ==

I found a workaround for [[phab:T178143]], thought you'd like to know. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 02:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beleg Tâl}} Thanks. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AG._R._O%27Reilly&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=9614841&amp;oldid=7047244 saw that you closed the ticket]. Very helpful. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

You stand in danger of being short-term blocked for edit warring on [[Template:Index transcluded/doc]]. Please desist—particularly over such a minor matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Do you have any perspective on what to do to break the impasse and make that page more accessible? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:: My perspective is simply that at least there is a documentation page for the template. I see it as unlikely that a vision-impaired person would be accessing it. Effort would be better dedicated to those templates that have no documentation page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 05:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Aromatics and the Soul: A Study of Smells]] and chapters ==

Can you please indicate why this has been transcluded as one solid page rather than as chapters into subpages, as would be usual with such works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} It wasn't that long of a work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

== Please don't unilaterally rename templates ==

Regarding [[Special:Diff/9822207|this move]]. Please do not unilaterally rename templates like this without discussion. If you find the template's name inconvenient the correct approach is to create a redirect for it at a more convenient name. In this case, the intended usage (and what the docs use in examples to encourage users to use that) is the alias {{tlx|rvh}}. The base template was named as it was because there is a semantic difference between a hyphen and an em-dash: the former denotes a range where the latter denotes a disjoint or contrast. The template isn't for &quot;recto ''to'' verso pages&quot;, it is for &quot;recto ''vs.'' verso pages&quot;. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Then the appropriate character would have been an ndash, not an emdash. But I left behind a redirect that someone else deleted. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::My apologies; I seem to have failed to communicate my point. Your position on typography and the capabilities of your keyboard are all fine arguments for a discussion, but not particularly germane here. Please do not rename templates without prior discussion, and even then there is usually no need to do so when a redirect can address the concern. Either use an existing alias (like {{tlx|rvh}}) or create a new one that suits. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Xover}} Is there a policy on template naming that I have missed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::Not that I am aware of, no. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Xover}} Thanks a lot for your input. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[The Story of Mankind]] ==

Do you get a sense of déja vu? And the reasoning for this work to not be set into chapters? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? and no reason. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
::Team player. :-( — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Man, I cannot understand you: can you please use your words and not be cryptic? I can't help you if you're not saying what you mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
==Changes at [[The Applicability of Weber's Law to Smell]]==
The edits to {{tl|header}} I made at the above page were made in accordance with the template documentation. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

== Speedy template ==

The speedy template is {{tlx|sdelete}} (and, no, nobody who works a lot on other projects remember that), and there's an alias at {{tlx|db}} (from the speedy reason codes at enWP) that might be easier to recall. For pages you created yourself, G7 (Author's request) is usually the best bet (no need for the admin to do a lot of thinking or assessing policy with that one), so just slap {{tlx|db|G7}} on there.

PS. I am guessing, of course, that that's what you intended on the redirect left after the page move on Grant's memoirs, and not {{tlx|delete}}, so I'll go nuke it presently. If I misunderstood then apologies for the interruption; and please let me know if you want it undeleted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Excellent. Thanks! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

== Annotated editions ==

Annotated editions should have the name with (Annotated) added to the end, and not be subpages within another copy. ==[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I know that, that's how I named the page--I didn't move it. I recommend you post this on the talk page of the person who moved it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I did, but posted here as well to ensure you were aware the conversation was happening. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Ah. That wasn't clear. I'm a big fan of {{tl|ping}}, so adding me to the conversation that way would make it much easier and more intelligible. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

==Watchlisting your talkpage==
Alright, first time I've ever watchlisted a talkpage but this one is therapeutic - I forget how I got here but I ended up reading nearly all of it. &quot;OMG, stop being bold and trying things if you don't have forms filled out in triplicate authorizing you to do something!&quot;, &amp;c. Anyways, it takes all types, and in the future I may become exasperated with you, or you with me, but in the meantime...keep adding works and plugging away on tidying up where you can :) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 11:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Thanks for the encouragement. I always add new texts on Public Domain Day (i.e. January 1), so Wikisource is on my mind in winter. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Source of New Yorker scan ==

Hi! Quick question: where did the New Yorker scan come from? I'd like to extract some images from the original scan, as the ones in the PDF are quite compressed. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Inductiveload}} Which one? Just issue 1, that I uploaded or the compilation of the rest of the year, which I have broken up into individual issues on Commons over the past couple of hours? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Well, I meant the first one, but knowing where they all come from would be good, I suppose. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::I found issue one somewhere on the Web; the other issues evidently came from a Google Books scan. I have reached out to the publication to try to get a hold of Erin Overbey but no one seems to care too much about helping get hi-quality scans. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Darn, thanks anyway. Could you ping me if decent scans turn up? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Inductiveload}} 100%. One solution would probably be buying a subscription to their archives but I'm not going to do that. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Template:Watch]] ==

Hi. When adding video, would you be so kind to wrap it in this template. And to note that we have [[template:listen]] for audio files. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I've used {{tl|listen}} (e.g. [[Optimism (Keller)]]) but not this one. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Remarks by President Biden in a CNN Town Hall with Anderson Cooper]] is CV ==

Hi. Cooper is not a federal government employee so we cannot include his works where he is co-author.  These interview type works have been decisions through CV, and if you think my deletion is incorrect then please use [[WS:CV]] to have that undeletion discussion. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

== sources and are they individual or subpages ==

Please would you add sources for these works [[special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]] per WS requirements.
{{special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet}}

Do you consider them individual documents, or are they more subpages of a parent work? To me it is conceivable that they are subpages. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} &quot;add sources for these works&quot;? What? Look at [[American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]]: it has a source. What ''doesn't'' have a source? This is a really confusing request to me. No, I don't consider them a single source only to the extent that they were all published with distinct URIs and none of them have ever been on one webpage or in one print document that I've seen. I could definitely see the contrary argument, tho. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Apologies, they weren't showing up as transcluded pages to me that has reset itself now. All good. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Eeveryone maeks misstakes. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cats &lt;= plain sister template ==

If you are linking a cat to WD, the adding {{tl|plain sister}} will pull in the interwikis. &quot;plain sister&quot; is the bit that does the work in the headers, though it is just hidden away. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 04:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
:Nice. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

== Portal:Yale Shakespeare ==

Please Stop. and Discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why would you remove accessibility features and make the site more hostile to the blind? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::  I am unaware of any &quot;accessibility features&quot; in your edit, but I do see the removal of sections, which prevents section editing.  I see the addition of complex tables to format ''temporary'' content.  Please explain why this page must be organized in tables in a way that makes it hard to read for the sighted, hard to edit, and why this format must be used on this Portal and no others? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::You need to stop: you're admitting your own ignorance about table semantics. If you don't know what a table caption is, you should ask or read about it ''before'' removing it. And captions should be used on ''all'' tables. Are you going to revert yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: Instead of answering my message, you've issued a command and belittled my intelligence.  That is not discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::You didn't answer my question and I didn't belittle your intelligence: I pointed out how you admit that you don't know what you're talking about. If you're ignorant, that's fine. Editing out of ignorance is not. If you want to learn more, see e.g. [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Proper_table_captions_and_summaries]]. Now please stop being rude and answer my questions. I suggest you revert yourself and stop abusing your user rights. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::: The page you have directed me to is a Wikipedia style page.  It does not explain accessibility, but states best practice according to Wikipedia's MoS.  If you believe that Wikisource should adopt this Wikipedia policy, then please propose it.  Wikipedia policies have no weight here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} No, you are incorrect: as that page explicitly states per WCAG guidelines: [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 data tables need captions] and this is a simple thing to do that provides high value for the blind. Did you read this page from the W3C or not? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: How could I have read the page ''before'' you asked me to do so?  I see nothing to support your assertion that captions must be used.  Also, this is not a data table, but a layout table, and the page you have pointed me to says &quot;If a table is used for layout, the caption element is not used.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It is not a layout table, it is a data table. And I directed you to the Wikipedia page ''which cites the WCAG''. You had every chance to read the sources that make it explicitly clear that you should use table captions. You also seem to not know what a data table is, so please revert yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: Wikipedia's policies have no bearing on Wikisource.  I read the WCAG page you pointed me to, and it does not support your assertions.  If there is a page that does support your assertions, please point to it and quote the portion that you believe supports your view.  I have been unable to find such justification.  You are again belittling my intelligence.  Please desist, or I will have to raise the issue of your personal attacks.  Such behavior is inappropriate.  The list on the Portal is ''not'' a data table, and the tables themselves are purely temporary.  As the works are verified the links are removed; and once an entire section has been completely (or almost completely) validated, the table formatting will be removed entirely.  The tables exist solely for layout and are purely temporary. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I never said that Wikipedia policies are incumbent upon Wikisource: please re-read what I wrote. See the bottom of [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 this page] which gives a simple flow chart for deciding when to use table captions: since this is a data table (not a layout table as you claimed) it needs a caption. See also the other citations at the page where I already directed you: &quot;Ensure table captions are provided explicitly&quot;. Accessibility Management Platform (AMP). San Francisco, California: SSB BART Group. 2015. &quot;Best Practices&quot; section. Retrieved 13 July 2015. GSA Schedule 70. Cites multiple standards besides WCAG, including: JIS X 8341-3: 2004 - Technical Standards Subpart 5; KWCAG; 47 CFR 14. Advanced Communication Services, §14.21 Performance Objectives; HHS HTML 508 Checklist; and US Telecommunications Act Accessibility Guidelines 1193.41–43.&quot; Note also that you keep on reverting to a [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Yale_Shakespeare&amp;oldid=11180521 version of the page] that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=2441 lacks header identification information for the column and row scopes] and that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=941 includes blank headers]. Your allegation that it isn't a data table is plainly false. I am not claiming that you are unintelligent but that you are simply ignorant: you don't know what you're talking about. If you keep on asserting that it isn't a data table when that is exactly what it is, I would have to assume that you're either uninformed or at some point, if you keep on saying it once you know better, you are lying. In neither case do I think you are unintelligent. As this ''is'' a data table and ''not'' a layout table as you have falsely claimed, please revert yourself and stop making edits that make our site more difficult for blind users. If you don't understand the distinction between a data and layout table, then I suggest that you please stop asserting that one is the other. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
: I read all pages that you pointed me to.  If the information was actually on some other page I should have read, then I didn't see it.  I read the pages you asked me to read.  You assume that because I disagree with you that I must be ignorant, lying, etc. The flowchart step 1 on the WCAG page you keep referring to states: &quot;determine whether the content has a relationship with other content in '''both''' its column and its row&quot; (emphasis added).  There are no vertical relationships in the table in question.  Each row is independent of the others, without relation, so the table fails to qualify as a data table.
: I also point out that in your second comment in this thread, you said &quot;captions should be used on ''all'' tables&quot;, but this is flatly refuted by the very page you pointed me to, which says that captions should ''not'' be used on layout tables.  If you would start by admitting you were in error, perhaps we could proceed? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Data tables are distinguished from tables used for the layout of a page. These are data tables. See, e.g. [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML/Tables/Advanced this guide from MDN] on how to use column and row scopes as well as captions for data tables (i.e. not tables that are incorrectly used for layout). [https://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/webd2/student/unit2/module5/lesson1.html Here] is another very basic example of a data table: each row shows information &quot;independent&quot; of the other rows but they are arranged in a tabular fashion: this is a data table and is obviously ''not'' a layout table. Since layout tables ''shouldn't exist at all'', then yes, I assumed that we would use proper semantics, best practices, and CSS for positioning elements, since that is its purpose. I suppose that if someone were incorrectly using a table for layout on Wikisource, then it shouldn't have a caption but it also shouldn't exist in the first place. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

== Re:Non-breaking spaces ==

I always remove non-breaking spaces because I can’t see the point of having them. What is the reason for their existence? --[[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 00:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kathleen.wright5}} They keep a phrase that should be on one line from wrapping around multiple lines. If you have:{{br}} &quot;He was ranked No.&amp;nbsp;3{{br}}in the world competition&quot;{{br}}that is better than{{Br}}&quot;He was ranked No.{{br}}3 in the world competition&quot;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

== Annotated works at Wikibooks ==

Hi, I am quite excited to see your work at WB, [[b:Annotations_to_The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I’m really interested in doing Annotated copies of WS books and have been trying to get an idea of how it might work. I’ve had a go with [[Economic Sophisms]] and it was imported to [[b:Economic Sophisms|WB]] which proved to be a novel exercise for QuiteUnusual. I am not very tech minded and have been stalled by the challenge. 

I would like to proofread [[The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I am working on a Project Gutenberg [[User:Zoeannl/PG_Proofreaders_Guidelines|Proofreading guide]], do you mind if I proofread according to this standard? e.g. [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]] 

Have you any thoughts on alternative ways to format annotated texts? It would seem quite easy to link your notes to the original WS page scans? The other example I have found is [[b:Annotations_to_James_Joyce%27s_Ulysses/Telemachus/003|Annotations to Ulysses]] which has the original text included. I hope you still have interest in this project, Cheers, [[User:Zoeannl|Zoeannl]] ([[User talk:Zoeannl|talk]]) 02:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zoeannl}} I could not be more happy that you wrote me. As you can see from my edit history, I've recently been working on [[What_to_the_Slave_Is_the_Fourth_of_July%3F_(annotated)]] and that lead me to take a look at other annotated editions to see how they are done. We have very few here and in spite of that, there is no one way to do them. I have chosen a certain style on the work I just linked because I like a mix of inline links, citations, and annotations as being separate things that mean something different. E.g. I may include an inline link to Wiktionary for a word that is obscure, a reference for something that is cited (like a Bible passage or quoting Shakespeare), and an annotation for anything else that is unclear or could use some context.
:I'm assuming that you've already seen [[Wikisource:Annotations]] but if not, I recommend it. For a unique way to do it, I'd recommend taking a look at [[Strivings of the Negro People]] and [[Strivings of the Negro People/Annotated]]. The nice thing about the way this is done is that there is just one text and it is transcluded into another page with new content in it. So there is no need to proofread twice or copy and paste changes to the original over and over again, etc. I would recommend you maybe consider this format because it could save you some time. If that method seems confusing or weird at first, let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
:Real treat to hear from you and to see someone else interested in annotations and the work that I started ''years'' ago and have yet to finish. I'm happy for you to edit according to any standard that you think is appropriate: note that I've also added in an edit after yours to [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]]: it's a collaborative effort. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons ==

As a more experienced user, and with reference to [[WS:H#Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons|this help request]], can you help with transferring the two files mentioned at that help request section from Commons to here under {{tl|PD-EdictGov}}? It seems that [[Special:Upload]] don't work if the file exists on Commons (even if it is to be deleted), and time is quite tight: only 2 days are given for transferal.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 13:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|廣九直通車}} It looks like they have been uploaded with new names. You can do two things: 1.) you can wait until the Commons files are deleted and then move the local copies to their old names or 2.) leave the files where they are but move all of the indices and pages so that their names are in sync. In the future, this can be resolved by using [[Special:Import]], for users that have the proper user rights (which I don't here but I do have at [[:s:mul:]]). Let me know if there's anything else you need and happy 2022! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advice. I was later found mislead by insufficient information provided on [[c:COM:Namibia]], as it is found that Namibian copyright law did have provision that releases laws into their local public domain.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 09:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Brilliant! All's well that ends well and I learned something about Namibian law in the process! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Non-breaking dashes ==

What should be done with this?

* ill-judged

[[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Valjean}} Great question! Try &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Nowrap|ill-judged}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Will do. Thanks. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

== American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets without indices ==

Hi! I noticed that [[:Category:Page transclusions that refer to missing Index pages]] contains a number of American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets from April 2021. It looks like you uploaded the files and created the pages in April, but you didn't create the corresponding indices. So, this message is a reminder, and a suggestion that you do that. (Also, I've made and proofread [[Index:American Jobs Plan State Fact Sheet FL.pdf]], if you'd like to validate it.) Cheers! —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 09:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}} Thanks. As you can see, at the time, I was uploading several videos and documents per day, spending hours on en.ws documenting the new administration and around day 100, I just got burnt out. I need to go back and fix up things, as well as restart the uploading and transcribing. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::Legit! I certainly have a number of slow-moving projects myself. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 18:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::The missing indexes leaves these pages completely broken (it just throws a big red error message at our readers), so fixing these as a priority would be a good thing.
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Hawaii]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Idaho]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Illinois]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Indiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Iowa]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kansas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kentucky]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Louisiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maine]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maryland]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Massachusetts]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Michigan]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Minnesota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Mississippi]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Missouri]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Montana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nebraska]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nevada]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Hampshire]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Jersey]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Mexico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New York]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Ohio]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oklahoma]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oregon]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Pennsylvania]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Puerto Rico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Rhode Island]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Tennessee]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Texas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Utah]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Vermont]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Washington]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in West Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wisconsin]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wyoming]]&lt;/s&gt;
::[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

This long national nitemare is finally over. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

== Alternative voice example in {{tl|em text}} ==

Hi,

I wanted to ask about the first example of when {{em text|not}} to use the template. The example is confusing to me: In both sentences the speaker is stressing the italicized the word—in the first sentence to emphasize that something is atypical or important about ''that'', and in the second sentence to highlight their uncertainty. I would use the {{tl|em text}} template in both cases.

I think a better example of changing to alternative voice would be, for example, switching between formal and casual speech. Something like &quot;Buy our toy kiddos, it's the coolest! ''This ad was brought to you by UltraCorp Inc.''&quot;

Note that I'm not a native English speaker so I wanted to make sure before editing. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Alnaling}} Good point. I'll change it to make it clearer. Again, great work in these semantics. May I ask what your native tongue is? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I speak Polish natively. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Dziękuję, friend. Great work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

== Unify {{tl|b}} and {{tl|bold}}? ==

Hi, I was recently a bit confused that {{tl|b}} does not redirect to {{tl|bold}}, unlike {{tl|i}} that redirects to {{tl|italic}}. I've looked at it and it seems that there aren't many uses of {{tl|b}} (and the majority of them is a misuse for heading) so maybe it could be unified to be more consistent? And if we want to retain a template alias for triple quotes, it could be under a name that better conveys the &quot;draws attention to&quot; semantics (maybe ''brandish''?). [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 13:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:I don't think we can unify them, as &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, and a CSS text width of &lt;code&gt;bold&lt;/code&gt; are not identical in meaning, even if they look the same. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::I didn't mean to unify them in this sense. I've meant to change {{tl|b}} to redirect to {{tl|bold}} and move the existing code for {{tl|b}} under a new, better name. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 16:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry. I have used &quot;[x] text&quot; sometimes. E.g. {{tl|em}} and {{tl|em text}}. I am still hesitant to think that {{tl|b}} should redirect to {{tl|bold}}, but I can see your argument, for sure. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I think matching HTML names makes sense for newer tags that have reasonable names like &lt;code&gt;em&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, but &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt; is a terrible name, only kept for backward compatibility reasons. Maybe {{tl|bhtml}} similar to {{tl|qhtml}} would also make sense. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 18:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sometimes I do &quot;[x]html&quot; (note that I made {{tl|qhtml}}). But I'm not sure that &quot;B&quot; is any worse than &quot;I&quot;. It's ''good'' to have some short template names. I use {{tl|C}} a lot. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

== Juvenile Delinquency Testimony ==

FYI, once I get all the pages OCR'd and the formatting put in (lots of smallcaps, speaker's names), I plan on doing a run through the whole thing and adding the {{tl|nop}}s with the script. Right now I only have the left hand pages created for most of it. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

:If you think it's a real concern I can change the headers to use {{tl|uc}} throughout, I just really wasn't worrying about it (it only really matters if someone cut-pastes the text, afaik, which seems unlikely since headers aren't transcluded). [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Actually looking closer at the type, I think those are {{larger|{{asc|Juvenile Delinquency}}}} (larger-asc) from the shape of the letters. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Do your thing. That edit was a one-off. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, and thanks for the reply. I'm not actually reading (proofing) the thing, because it would be boring as hell, lol, just getting formatting it as something fairly mindless while listening to podcasts. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Wikidata IP block ==

Hello, I am wondering whether it would be possible (and appropriate) for you to give my alt account [[User:Beleg Âlt]] &quot;IP block exempt&quot; status on Wikidata. When I am using my alt account, my Internet is usually routed via Azure, which is globally blocked as an open proxy. I hope that I am trustworthy enough to be permitted this access :) (I've already given my alt this status on enWS, but editing enWS without Wikidata access is rather limiting as I'm sure you are aware) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:I've seen your name around many times, so I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm wondering a little why me and why make the request here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
::Because you are the only Wikidata admin whose name I recognize as active on enWS, and because I will probably forget when I get home and am able to make the request on Wikidata directly (since enWS is the only project where I have IP block exempt status on this account) :) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Thanks for all you do. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Good morning! Can I trouble you for Global IP block exempt status on my main account [[User:Beleg Tâl]] also? Much obliged :)  —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:Can do, but to be clear, the instructions on [[:d:Special:UserRights/Beleg_Tâl]] include the line &quot;If you intend to add IP block exemption to an account, please consider asking a CheckUser to verify the need.&quot; Are you okay with this, knowing that I would inform CUs, i.e. I'm willing to give you the right, but I will also post to [[:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser]]. Let me know and I'll pull the trigger. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

== Technical advancements ==

To get a deletion request from the legendary Koavf could be said to be a great honor. :) It's good to see you again; if you'll remember I'm PseudoSkull from your not-so-distant past at Wiktionary.

Almost all of the edits I make to Wikisource are the product of a large software project I've been working tirelessly on for almost a year, and that will take many more years to fully perfect. I'm working on ways to streamline the proofreading process and make it faster, easier, more effective, and cleaner. I try and keep it as close to best practices as possible. The editing process I'm using right now is entirely a power-user thing, but due to my observations and feedback about Wikisource's editing challenges through this very technology, the frontend (ProofreadPage itself, our local handling of Wikidata work/version data, and the transclusion process) is finally seeing some badly-needed improvements being realized over time, thanks especially to the genius work of CalendulaAsteraceae in this area.

I spend almost all of my extra time every day transcribing old books and movies for Wikisource; it's an interest I take very seriously...perhaps too seriously, but that's another story. The line between an addiction and just life is not so distinct online I guess...

If there is an issue with some of the software and templates I develop for transcriptions, it might be better to ask me about it individually before starting a Proposed deletion, because likelihood is I will not even disagree with your feelings on the approach... In this particular case, there happened to be a better alternative that I didn't think of at the time I developed the individual-template model with auxTOCs, and it took your nudge to remind me to look for an improvement. And go figure, today's improvement actually worked! That's something I wasn't expecting, what a miracle... I'd consider that a huge win, and I partially have you to thank for that.

But anyway, I'd ask that you give me personal feedback and if it's something I should fix I will, or at least we could come up with some kind of compromise. I don't want a technical issue—15,000 lines of code and 4 hours of transcription with no breaks later—to be framed as &quot;you failed, SnowyCinema!!! Shame on you! Delete!&quot; That probably wasn't how you intended it to come across—you probably weren't aware of the large scope of this operation and maybe just assumed I was a new user unaware of general wiki practices (I did change my username again after all)—but a deletion discussion framed like this implies that a contributor was wholly incorrect for making a wrong template and puts ''all'' of their work ''collectively'' in a negative light.

If we still fundamentally disagreed after a few discussion comments, I'd have no problem with a PD discussion after the fact, because the disagreement after full understanding in both parties would justify that more. But more likely, I would improve the approach per your suggestions and make the requested changes to existing works.

Plus it'd be nice to catch up once in a while. Let's talk instead of debate...unless we have to. Happy editing! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Nice to hear from you, ol' FakeHead. Yes, of course I didn't mean to offend or hurt feelings or what have you and I did not want to make you feel personally attacked or criticized. re: your workflow, I recall that yesterday, I happened to see [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Spider_Boy_(1928).pdf/17&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14122183 this mistaken use] of {{tl|sc}} and I thought to myself several hours later, &quot;I wonder if that work has other pages like that with errant small caps?&quot; and looked at the index to see that I was shocked that it had been fully transcribed. I poked around several pages and saw that it was well done, too (but I didn't validate any pages--I was a little too busy for that). The only shortcoming I saw, which is admittedly pretty trivial, is that the footers are lacking &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{C|[{{old style|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;var&gt;x&lt;/var&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;]}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for page numbers, but I was again too busy to bother with that. Great work, SC. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:: Yes, and incidentally that smallcaps issue was due to a transcription misconfiguration on my part, (it was supposed to be &quot;beg=n&quot; aka &quot;beginning = no formatting&quot;, not &quot;beg=sc&quot; :( and I fixed all other instances of this as soon as you recognized it initially), but thank you! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Old Style ==

If you want, I will start a discussion about limiting the use of the Old Style template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

:No, I'm good after the last discussion. What is there to discuss that wasn't discussed the last time? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::There was consider opposition to its overuse and misuse during the deletion discussion for the template.  It isn't meant for random use where the font is irrelevant. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's already in use on this work and has been for years. Please stop undoing both the consistent use of old style (which is used selectively and not overused or misused) as well as the other changes. There is no reason to randomly change the styling on a per-page basis that has been established for years on this work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I created those pages today; they have not been in place &quot;for years&quot;.  The pages created by the primary editor over the past month make no use of the template.  There is also ''no'' discussion page establishing the template as part of the work's style. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't write that those two pages have been around for years, I wrote that the general transcription project of the work has been and as you likely know, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Hawaii%27s_Story_by_Hawaii%27s_Queen.pdf/15&amp;action=history it has used old style numbers in the table of contents for years] as well as on other pages. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand.  I thought you insisted on using old style because it replicates the original.  However, you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:Hm? E.g.? &lt;ins&gt;Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic.&lt;/ins&gt;—[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I ceased editing because I'm waiting for you to explain yourself. Please clarify what you mean with some diffs or even basic context because I have no clue what your post means. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I have no clue what your occult message means and you refuse to explain it, I'm going to keep on doing what I've been doing. If you have anything substantial to say, I'm all ears. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} &quot;you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original.&quot; How so? Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== The Philosophical Review ==

This is a work-based category being cleared prior to deletion.  Wikisource established by consensus that we do not categorize subpages of works into a category for that work.  Such categories are eligible for speedy deletion under [[WS:CSD]] G8.  Please desist your reversions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Can you please explain what you meant in the above cryptic message? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::You are reverting good edits.  Please stop.  The edits were good. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Your message in ''this'' thread is not cryptic. Your message ''above'' that I have mentioned multiples as being cryptic is cryptic. Please explain ''that''. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but your previous message was too cryptic for me to understand that. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Never communicate like that with me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I will note that the EB1911 categories are a special case or work-based category.  No decision has been made to delete them; they are being kept, at least for now.  There may be one or two others that are not coming to mind. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:UGANDA AND THE EGYPTIAN SOUDAN.djvu]] ==

Can you have a look over this, it seems to have an odd formating that was casuing lints? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I don't see these issues. I searched the index and its CSS on every lint errors page with no results and have been poking thru individual pages. Where are you seeing this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
: pp. 1 to 36. I sat down and delinted myself.  However, the previous contributor may have have been unfamiliar with certain conventions used on this project. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I've seen edits by this user that give me pause as well. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::: Well I've left them 2 hopefully polite notes to consider how other users are formatting, perhaps you could consider giving them pointers (that weren't in the welcome message) about how English Wikisource formats things? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll offer, but I have had concerns about this account(s) and no one else seems to much care: [[Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Possible_sockpuppet_accounts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: Who has local checkuser, I found another account editing roughly the same works - [[Special:Contributions/BellaAber]]? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&amp;group=checkuser&amp;wpsubmit=&amp;wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&amp;limit=1000 no local CheckUsers]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not ever claim &quot;established style&quot; in future, if you are going to disregard the same claim when made by others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:What style was changed? Also, why do you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AUGANDA_AND_THE_EGYPTIAN_SOUDAN.djvu%2F9&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=14563269 keep on inserting inaccuracies in your validated page]? How is it ''better'' to keep on including wrong things on the page? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::''What'' inaccuracies? For someone who complains about cryptic remarks, you sure make a lot of them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Does the page say &quot;BY THE&quot; (as I validated it) or &quot;'BY THE&quot; (as you validated it)? Please link to another purportedly cryptic comment I made. Also, please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If there is a single stray quote, then remove the single stray quote.  All the other changes are inappropriate, unnecessary, unhelpful, and against established style.  And if the problem is just a stray extra quote mark, then say &quot;there is a superfluous quote mark&quot; rather than making a cryptic statement and reverting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::#What style was changed?
:::::#When was I making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original?
:::::It seems like you're in the business of just blindly reverting without paying any attention to the actual changes made. Please correct me if I'm wrong and please answer the two questions I just asked you (again). —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

== wikisource files at commons ==

I do several things there with source images for books that I learned from [[User:Hesperian|Hesperian]]'s example.  Putting the images into a category that was specific to the publication was one of the big ones.  Commons gets images from different publications (Paris and Toronto are usually the places) from the same year.  So, Hesperian would put the images into categories with the publishers name.  I rarely do this because of duplicate publications, but I encountered so many Flickr images from the book I was doing, that I try to put them into categories where a bot would not upload Flickr crap into.  

Also, God's Man is an unnervingly general phrase.

I am kind of unhappy with that move there.  Other than that, how is life treating you?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:To be clear, it's &quot;Gods' Man&quot;, not &quot;God's Man&quot;. I'm not familiar with any other works by that name. Life is treating me well, tho I recently lost my wallet like an idiot and am suffering some of the fallout of my stupidity. I am generally looking forward to 2025, which is the first time in several years where the new year seems positive. Yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

::Truly, my peak with spelling and grammar was in 8th grade.  I came back to mention also that commons is for all of the wiki, not just en:w and that gutenberg uploads occur frequently (300px, medium sized in the old days, small today) and just keeping all of the images from this one publication in one place is such a good reason for so many other reasons.  Hesperian's experience was with en:w, commons, and en:s making this person a good one to follow.  My experience as been with commons, en:s, and wd.  It is good to understand more than one wiki.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but I may not understand what the point was of this thread. Is there some action you need from me? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:::: Someone at commons with your user name moved the files for Gods' Man, fixing the apostrophe but losing the author last name and the year.  Hence, the words here about everything I learned from there and here about category names.  I really thought that you were the person to have moved them so I did not provide background information.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I did move it. There's nothing wrong with the move. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

== Thanks and Invitation to the WDOGE  ==

Your contributions of primary sources are appreciated, being on a wide variety of topics philosophic, religious, and historical.  Also your constructive improvements on author pages for both [[Author:Joe Biden|Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Donald Trump|Donald Trump]].

You are invited to contribute to the &quot;Wiki Discourse on Government Efficiency&quot;, an original research project at [[v:User:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency]], and soon to go to mainspace.

And to a colloquy on the project at:
[[Wikiversity:Colloquium#Research_Guidelines_for_the_new_Wiki_of_Government_Efficiency]]

Kind regards, [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, Jared. Not sure that it's in my future, but I appreciate the kind words and invitation. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== Dashiell Hammett ==

I see that you have added the index for The Dain Curse. Are you planning to do much work on that ? I am currently workung my way through Red Harvest, and will try to get on to The Dain Curse after that. I did [[Black Lives]] which was the first of the individual stories that were combined into The Dain Curse. I just need to get around to tidying up the image an initial letter. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not, no. Any effort you want to put into it would be greatly appreciated. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== The Magic Island ==

I take it that this a volume you're keen to work on? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Not particluarly. I just uploaded the PDF to Commons, so I happened to notice when someone made the index, etc. I'm happy to patch up some bits and do a few pages, but I don't anticipate putting forth a lot of time on this.&lt;ins&gt; That's why I gave a heads up to the two editors I saw working on the scan that the images had been cropped out, to empower them and collaborate more than take over or drive it.&lt;/ins&gt; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== mul:WS ==

We don't seem to have a page &quot;Help:mul Wikisource&quot; or anything similar.  Would you be willing to write up something in broad strokes explaining what it is, about what it hosts, moving things there, and possible points of contact, etc., so that we could refer people to it? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Of course. Good idea. Thanks for asking. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::Having the page will be very useful.  Thanks for getting it started. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for having the idea; Teamwork makes the dream work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Image alts for Gay-Neck  ==

If you'd like to add &quot;alt=&quot;, the complete set of images are located at [[:commons:Category:Gay-Neck, the Story of a Pigeon]], and all have been added to the work.  The illuminated initial letters all have alt values already, so that the text will display, but the other images may lack them.  Each filename includes the page number where it appears within the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Can do. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

For illuminated initials, I would this [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Gay-Neck,_the_story_of_a_pigeon_1927_(IA_gayneckstoryofpi00muke).djvu/19&amp;curid=4763881&amp;diff=14977400&amp;oldid=14929455 this version] would be ''less'' helpful to readers.  Since, if they have images deactivated for reading, they will read:

: A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.

Which will not be a good way to start reading the chapter. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:They may have images deactived or otherwise not able to view them for a variety of reasons. What if someone is blind? Or has bandwidth restrictions? The alt text provides contextual information that explains what someone who is seeing the image would get from it. If you want to change it, I agree that hearing out loud &quot;Tee he city of Calcutta...&quot; is maybe more clear than &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephant he city of Calcutta&quot;, but it makes for better alt text. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::If someone is blind or autistic, and is using text-to-speech, then it will read aloud: &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Which again, is ''less'' helpful than hearing simply &quot;The city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Text-to speech should connect T-he correctly because there is no space. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not familiar with the relationship between autism and screen-readers, so I can't speak to that and I'm only a little more knowledgeable on the blind. If you want to revert or otherwise change the alt text on those decorative first letters, I wouldn't object. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I am going to revert on the initial letters.  If you think a strong case can be made for them, we can have a general discussion in the Scriptorium, but I think legibility of the text for users of text-to-speech is preferable to alt-descriptions of illuminations that impede understanding. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Is [[Index:The Prophet - Gibran - 1923.djvu]] not a duplicate of [[Index:Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet (1926 edition, Knopf).pdf]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, no clue why someone else made that index, especially since the DJVu is not an original printing, but one from at least 1934. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Inductiveload}}, why does this index exist? Is there a reason to have this scan transcribed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::So, OK to delete the DjVu Index and pages as redundant?  Note that Inductiveload has not edited here for nearly two years. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I guess. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== CSS problems ==

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, unless user subpages don't take index.css, or styles.css.

Also, I don't know if I need to use [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox/index.css]] or Sandbox/styles.css, so I made both, but neither seems to have any effect. I've tried a few simple code modifications, but to no avail. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Xaxafrad}} can you explain more what you're trying to do? What is it you want to have happen in your browser? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::I want to add the dots in this [[Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/7|table of contents]]. I have my [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox|sandbox]] set up to test out the changes (and they're really close), as I want to move from a handwritten table to the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{TOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template family. There's an expanded TOC starting on [[Page:The Urantia Book, 1st Edition.djvu/13|this page]], which I hadn't even seriously considered the logistics of upgrading until now...and which might be covered by the existing templates without modification. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 00:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, I spent a couple of hours at it and got nothing useful. I think I've met my match. Sorry. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for giving it a shot. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 08:40, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;:/&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::Thanks for being so diligent yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== What? ==

{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why in the world would you block me? For [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this]? Validating the page ''you'' proofread? What is wrong with the edit?

{{tl|unblock|no reason to be blocked in the first place, admin abusing tools and not paying attention.}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Explained above, and in the original edit comment.  In future, please do not deliberately break the formatting of pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::What is broken in that edit? Those two revs display exactly identically. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::See https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122674 and https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678
:::What is &quot;broken&quot; formatting here? {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::The biggest break is (1) the '''central divide''' is the wrong height, and the wrong width.
::::The fact that a change displays correctly on your computer is never a guarantee that it will work on other people's computers.  Please listen when other editors tell you something is wrong, instead of insisting that you are right.
::::You also:
::::(2) '''misused the running header''' template, while applying a completely unnecessary div tag, all to avoid using an explicit table, in favor of a running header (''which is also a table'') for no apparent reason.
::::We have previously discussed that style changes are a matter a precedence, in which you should defer to the original editor, and not force through your own preferences. 
::::You misused a template, and broke the formatting.  None of the other changes you made were necessary, but all were style choices.  All of these things are considered inappropriate on Wikisource, and you have been here long enough to be aware of this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::With regard to your edit comment question: &quot;why on Earth would you remove validation {{...}} ?&quot;
::::When you made the multiple changes in the same edit as validation, your validation is then continent on having those edits take effect.  Reversing the edits to correct problems on the page means also reversing the validation.  To keep the validation while undoing the edits would be inappropriate.
::::With regard to closing &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags, the self-closing aspect is being dropped in the latest version of HTML.  XHTML is now obsolete, and there is zero benefit to retaining obsolete markup, which was replaced by the HTML Living Standard.  See [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element this page] for the current standard for the tag. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:59, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You are again playing games. You blocked me after an edit that was not made to the material at the bottom of the page. As I have already asked you multiple times, you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122678 this inappropriate rollback] to undo [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page, which renders identically to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page. I am asking you one more time: what is &quot;broken&quot; about my last revision to that page, which you blocked me for and for which you abused rollback? All of the other issues can be discussed ''after'' you answer the question you are making me ask repeatedly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The fact that you made additional edits between the time that I discovered your revert, in order to check the Wikisource blocking policy, and then blocked you, is immaterial.  I have explained what action led to you being blocked.  I have also given a detailed response above to multiple questions you have asked both here and in your edit summaries.
::::::I have explained at [[WS:AN]] that I did not intend to rollback.  There is an unfortunate fact that in the side-by-side edit comparison window both undo and rollback at at almost the same location.  And with rollback, there is never a dialogue box to confirm to avoid a mis-click.  I apologize for accidentally hitting rollback instead of undo. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::It's not clear to me why you even undid/accidentally-misclick-rollbacked the last edit ''at all''. How is the library better for ''removing'' a link to the translator, as our documentation recommends we insert? Maybe someone could consider that vandalizing the library by making it worse?
:::::::In MediaWiki, &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; is converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt;, so adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; creates more work for the servers, which maybe someone could consider vandalism, since it puts further strain on the library to function properly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you have evidence for your claim about the break tag, and that it is a concern, then please provide that evidence. I am going by the current Living Standard for HTML from the official website for that standard, and by what User:Xover has told me about the functioning of MediWiki. I used to include the closing slash myself in the br-tag, but changed my editing because a skilled coder and admin here recommended that I change my editing practices and provided the necessary evidence.
::::::::In return, please explain how inserting a template {{tl|br}} (which you created) reduces the work servers must do when all it does is create a line break. Template calls increase the work the servers do, so if that is your motivating concern, then the template should not be used.
::::::::If you could please point me to the place where it is recommended to link to a translator in the body of a title page, when that link is already in the header, please provide it.  Then explain why you are not adding such links on the title pages of the works you have transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Per [[:w:en:Help:Line-break_handling]]:
::::::::::The MediaWiki software uses any of them for a single forced line break. All of them are converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; in the HTML that browsers read.
:::::::::You can confirm this by viewing the source of a page.
:::::::::[[Wikisource:Wikilinks]] encourages internal links in pages. Not only does local documentation encourage internal links, it encourages [[Wikisource:Red link guidelines|red links]] and says that those should not be removed:
::::::::::A red link that links to a work, author or other page that could be added in the future should be left alone if that page cannot be created in the present.
:::::::::So unless you think that only redlinks shouldn't be removed and that blue links ''should be''...?
:::::::::As for why I don't do it: I'm not obliged to do it, but I'm also not ''actively removing'' links that someone else adds. Those are two different things. So again, why did you undo what I did in my most recent edit to that page? Since the two render identically and you just remove a link that should be there, what benefit is there to anyone for the rollback you did? How is the library better off for that edit? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:09, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I acknowledge what [[w:en:Help:Line-break_handling:]] says about conversion, but I do not see any evidence about creating more work for the servers.  Nor do I know that the advice on the page is current; it is not unusual for advice on pages to become out of date.  I also did not receive a reply from you about the {{tl|br}} template.  This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.
::::::::::Issues about red links do not apply here; you did not add a red link.  Nor does the passage you reference advise linking to the translator, but the section above on &quot;Unintended emphasis&quot; does apply here, as putting the name of the translator in the center of a page into a different color from the rest of the test on the page gives that link unintended emphasis. Such emphasis is ''dis''couraged. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::&quot;This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.&quot; I have asked you the same question repeatedly and you have ignored it repeatedly. Interesting that you point out this here. Using native MediaWiki is better than raw HTML when possible because it's easier for editors to understand and use. Once more: &quot;How is the library better off for that edit?&quot; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::So, you are claiming that {{tl|br}} is &quot;easier for editors to understand and use&quot; than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; on what basis?  This is dodging the question by making an unsupported claim.
::::::::::::I assume that (although you did not respond) that you agree with the principal of unintended emphasis. Thus, removing unintended emphasis, aside from the simpler syntax of the br tag, and elimination of a superfluous set of template calls, makes the library better.  This was implied in my previous message, but I make that explicit now for you. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't dodge your question: I answered it. ''That'' is the reason why I did what I did. You asked me to support a claim that I didn't make (which you phrased as a command, not a question) and then you get upset at the justification for something I never wrote. It's just weird behavior. Why does it take asking the same question six times over the course of a day to get a straight answer from you? Why is it you don't just admit that you abused rollback? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

===Block===

Reverting edits to forms which you have been told are not displaying correctly is vandalism.  You have deliberately made a page break.  You have been blocked for three days.  Please do not deliberately break formatting in future. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Details at [[WS:AN#User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:You are being deceptive [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122695 here], as you blocked me after a ''different'' rev which ''did not do what you claim''. You also abused rollback ''again'' after doing so [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;oldid=14465397#Misuse_of_rollback_by_an_admin months ago]. See above for my question which is about the purported broken formatting. {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Please do not accuse others of deception.  You yourself have just moved this section below your &quot;What?&quot; section, despite the fact that it originally appeared as a separate section above it.  That has the appearance of deception, but I would not make the accusation because it is also possible that you did not mean to be deceptive, but were simply combining the previous section into this one.  If you wish to discuss the disputed content, I am willing to do that in a separate thread.  This thread was started concerning your block, not about page content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I would like you to answer the question that I asked you instead of ignoring it. This is inappropriate. My above question is about your incorrect claim that there is broken formatting. I want you to substantiate it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I have been writing my response.  You respond very quickly.  Please show more patience. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

*[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]: In light of the above, I [[Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Koavf_deliberately_breaking_page_format|have called]] for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]]. As you cannot comment there, I would like to ask here whether or not you support such a vote. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Yes, I do. I was going to post to the admin's noticeboard anyway for EP's repeated abuse of rollback and blocking, not long after he was admonished for abusing them in similar circumstances. Tools like rollback and blocking require better judgement than that shown. That's in addition to a general attitude that is not becoming of an admin in other areas which I think warrants discussion. Thanks for being considerate enough to ask. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:: Admin behaviour is under discussion, and I left a note for you at AN, but I would like to remind you that technical stuff is complicated. There is no need for deception, for two people to see different things. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:::Sure. What I think happened was he wasn't paying any attention to my edits, abused rollback to undo a whole host of changes that he had no objection to, and blocked me preemptively and now that I've asked him repeatedly why he did that and what the purported problems were with my last edit, he's ignored the question so that he won't have to actually say &quot;I just abused rollback in a personal content dispute and instead of posting to talk or even protecting the page, I blocked you and then stonewalled on why&quot;, but I could be wrong. He has since claimed that he didn't even know he used rollback, which is its own kind of concern, but you are correct that he could actually just be confused and not paying attention instead of actively dissimulating. I have just seen this before when EP does something inscrutable and inappropriate and then feigns ignorance of what is happening or just refuses to explain his own behavior and why he did what he did, so it strains credulity that his explanations are legitimate and that he didn't just do what I supposed. He has done this before where he just deflects answering the simplest question, keeps on harassing me about nonsense, and then goes on about his day, occasionally coming back to my talk page to post more tangential nonsense and never answering the question that was asked, so I am personally tired of that inappropriateness. Your mileage may vary. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*::::fark you [[User:Fark BsAadowski|Fark BsAadowski]] ([[User talk:Fark BsAadowski|talk]]) 02:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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&lt;div style=&quot;border:solid 1px tan; background:antiquewhite; color:#202122; padding:3px;&quot;&gt;Hello, Koavf, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. 

Please take a glance at our [[Help:Contents|help pages]] (especially [[Help:Adding texts|Adding texts]] and [[Wikisource:Style guide|Wikisource's style guide]]). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the ''[[Wikisource:Scriptorium|Scriptorium]]''. 

The [[Wikisource:Community Portal|Community Portal]] lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. &lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] &lt;sup&gt;'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Nominations for deletion ==

If you use {{tl|delete}}, you have to make an entry on the deletions page, as I did [http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=2084463 here]. If you think that it should be a speedy deletion, use {{tl|sdelete}}.--[[User:Longfellow|Longfellow]] ([[User talk:Longfellow|talk]]) 12:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Repeat of above request ==

Hi, adding {{tl|delete}} means that you need to log a proposal at [[WS:DEL|Proposed deletions]] explaining why there's a problem. If however you mean that the article/category/page meets one of the [[WS:CSD|speedy deletion criteria]], then please use {{tlx|sdelete|reason}}. It makes it easier to understand what you mean. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 03:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== We already use HotCat from Commons ==

Just so that you are aware, we already utilise the HotCat from Commons in our gadgets, and directly so it updates. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:'''Ah''' Good to know. Thanks. I didn't know where it was localized, etc.--I just looked in [[Special:Preferences]] and if the gadget wasn't there, I imported it from Commons. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::It is there, along with a few others (though it does need a tidy), and we look to &lt;s&gt;steal&lt;/s&gt; use others' gadgets wherever possible.  If you do have any suggestions for better sorting or explaining our gadgets, then that feedback would be most welcome. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::'''Huh''' I don't see it at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]... As you can tell from my [[Special:CentralAuth/Koavf|contribs]], talk, page, etc. I'm not that accustomed to how things work on en.ws, but I've always wanted to be a productive member here: it's a really great idea and resource. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Third from top.  I have just prepended it with HotCat, as presumably the label may attract those specifically looking for it.  Re partipication, if we know your poison, then surely someone can suggest a work.  An easier place to start is [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] where we usually take a work from scratch through to completion (if we can).  As it is active, it is a great way to see how others edit, and see where they have good shortcuts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::'''Thanks''' Added. I've always thought it bizarre that there aren't vast digital archives that have been imported here: legal documents, patents, public domain literature, etc. It seems like there must be databases upon databases out there to be scripted over to here--is there something obvious that I'm missing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::The purpose that we have is to look to bring verifiable text.  In earlier days, lots of texts have come gutenberg, verified by them, though still not perfect, and without images.  They can still come over, but numbers alone isn't the focus of many.  We have been bringing works in what we believe is a more structured means and we are looking to a more validated format.  Image to Commons, then [[Help:proofread|proofread]] and validated from the image.  We have also looked to do other sorts of works, [[DNB]], [[PSM]], often which can be used in support of WP articles; extracting quality images, store at Commons, display in the works, but to also have available across WMF. There is plenty more there, it probably is more quietly appearing.&lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
'''Sources''' I may be dense, but it seems like (e.g.) several governments will have reliably proofread texts stored electronically that could be ported over here with relative easy and automation. At the very least, you could store them in some tracking category like, [[:Category:Texts ported from the State of Alabama which need proofreading]] and readers could still find these texts useful. Again, I guess I'm just so ignorant that I'm asking bad questions. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:Yep, I was more focusing my comments on older works, those that are not currently online / readily available.  Some consider that those works that you identified that are permanently online, then sometimes there is less value on importing them, especially with the variety of licences that can apply to them.  Usually we can just as readily link to them from pages, we don't require the works to be housed locally to be part of the library, one could build an Author (person) page with offsite links, or a Portal (organisational authors) page to the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
::'''Library''' I suppose I still need to read up on what Wikisource's actual scope is, because I had a different impression about what it actually could or should do. If I understand you correctly, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed, honestly. (Although please don't take that as a slight against the hard work that I'm sure you and several other contributors put into this project.) —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:22, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] and [[Wikisource:For Wikipedians]].  I am '''not''' talking what we may, could or should be. I am talking where I see where we are as an evolved volunteer library that has limited resources, so more where we are in the journey. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== multiple blank lines ==

You don't need to use &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; over and over to create multiple blank lines. Just use multiple returns to insert blank lines directly. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. As you can see from my contribs, I'm getting the hang of ProofRead. Much appreciated! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Dates in diambiguation situations ==

Hi,

In light of some of your moves in the Author namespace, I ask you to please follow [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Author_pages|existing guidlines (#5)]] and refrain from using anything other than a plain old dash when it comes to an Author's basepage title that has any form of &quot;date&quot; in it. example...
* John Smith (1878-1956) - ''OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content''
* John Smith (1878–1956) - '''''NOT''' OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content. OK as a redirect to the main page however''
..... thanks -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Original Stories from Real Life]] ==

{| style=&quot;border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}}; color:{{{foreground|#202122}}};&quot;
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; | [[File:Memorial Day commemorated in Luxembourg 100529-F-3074W-590.jpg|111px]]
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; |
|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;&quot; | '''The Honour Guard Award'''
|-
|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | For your outstanding and very welcome work on [[Original Stories from Real Life]]. --[[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
|}

I want you to know that this is the first time that I know of that any sort of attempt to do something in the honor of an editor who has, for whatever reason, left the project, and it is very very encouraging to see someone willing to spend the effort to do so. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

:Also, when the chaptering gets done, it might be worth while asking if a memorial template can be placed in a comparatively prominent place somewhere on the index page, index talk page, and/or on one or more of the relevant wikipedia talk pages. Considering I am blocked from editing in wikipedia till pretty much the end of the month, I have a feeling that if anything at wikipedia itself is to be done you are probably the man to do it. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 02:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::For whatever reason, don't ask me why, the final page isn't allowing me to validate it, I think because I made some changes to it. Maybe we can get someone else to do it? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== May I ask why [[special:diff/prev/5992092|this change?]] ==

If you are ''really'' sure then restore; but without explanation I will remain mystified... [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AuFCL}} Wow, that was weird. You are right and I am wrong--somehow, I saw that as being up one level higher in the hierarchy than it should have been. Sorry. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::Oh well; just glad the insanity wasn't mine—this time at least! [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== Please stop moving author pages ==

You are moving author pages against the policy of naming. Please stop. This is not enWP. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Look at my contribs: I'm moving them all back now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, though I am not sure how you thought that it was a great idea in the first place to start moving so many pages?  Did you think that we didn't know what we were doing? Stop to think to ask?  One too many new year drinks bring on some bravery? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} I'll just chalk that up to you being wound up. Thanks and have a good new year. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Nobody's perfect. Did you notice how you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AWilliam_Harvey_%281578-1657%29&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=6429448&amp;oldid=6106004 edited this author page] when it had an ndash? I've since [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:John_Wilson_(1785-1854)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591414 moved] all of the [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:William_Harvey_(1578-1657)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591416 ndash pages] to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Frederick_II_(1194-1250)&amp;action=history hyphens] (in spite of them being ungrammatical). If we work together, we can make things better--you don't need to talk down to me nor act put out when I was fixing my own mistakes and adding {{tl|no works}} to several pages, making them demonstrably better. I'm sure you know that I'm on balance an asset to the WMF projects, including this one. So are you. Onwards and upwards? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Titles on pages are not about grammar, that is about style. Grammar would be how they are used within a work, and you will see that we use an endash within the display of the template. The reason for why are is in the archives, and you would need to go back about 8 to 9 years. I wasn't trying to talk down to you, but it was pretty hard to comprehend how or why an experienced editor would be doing it, and their missing key indicators, when they were doing it. Of course we can work together. It looks all cleared up. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Oldwikisource-&gt;Mul ==

Check my recent contributions, In a bold move I've &quot;updated&quot; as many as interwikis as I felt able to. 

I've excluded some for technical reasons, associated Talk namespaces, User and Page namespace.  The use of oldwikisource in Page namespace seems to be ALL in a single work though, and could probably be updated with AWB very quickly..

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&amp;limit=500&amp;offset=0&amp;ns104=1&amp;search=insource%3A%2Foldwikisource%2Fi&amp;searchToken=69rsvrtej83wiexy2sn92xl49

Currently mul and oldwikisource interwiki prefix link to the same thing ?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Yes, [[s:mul:]] and [[s:OldWikisource:]] go to the same place. I could pull up the [[phab:]] tickets if you needed but I don't have them handy at the moment. Thanks for that--I think that we should really discourage the use of any non-ISO title and the sooner we switch them, the better. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW: [[Special:Interwiki]] gives a local view and confirms Koavf's note above.

== Categories for people ==

We no longer use categories for people on en-Wikisource to organize their works. Author pages fulfill this function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. Can you point me to a guideline? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Probably not, as many of our guidelines are unwritten or uncodified. But please point me to a category for any other President of the US or any other person. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't know any. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

::[[Help:Categorization]] seems to be the closest we've come to stating a guideline on this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Your block ==

User:Beeswaxcandle deleted that list, and explained why. Wikisource actively discourages the addition of material that is clearly not in PD. You have repeatedly recreated the list in various locations despite this fact, and in direct violation of what Wikisource is about. For this you have been blocked. Please do not encourage the addition of non-PD materials to Wikisource in future, or you will be blocked for a longer period. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I in no way encouraged the addition of non-free material--I added a disclaimer to the page for just that reason. Many author pages include lists of material that we host and do not host (sometimes outbound linking to other sites that do); why is this one any different? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Also, I am in the middle of doing several edits which are inarguably within policy and helpful. Please unblock me so that I can continue. Blocking without any warning especially while I'm in the midst of doing something useful is pointless. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I sorry that you do not understand how damaging it is to Wikisource to promote the addition of non-PD materials. I am sorry you do not understand why it is a bad idea to push over the actions of two different admins who explained the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I understand the scope of Wikisource hosting material that is free or not (not sure why you are exclusively referring to PD as we host many types of material which are not in the US public domain). Again, there is evidently not policy on listing works by an author but either way, I'm not interested in fighting about this. Please unblock me so that I can continue working on other issues. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You chose to fight the actions of two different admins, so claiming that you are not interested in fighting about this is disingenuous. You may continue working when the block expires. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It's not disingenuous at all, Pete. I tried a different approach each time, hoping that would be amenable. It's not like I did the same thing over and over again just hoping no one would notice--I tried to do something that would be workable for everyone. Instead of having a discussion about it, you went to block me. If you were to unblock me, I would go about my business doing other things here than this. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::Personally, I don't like seeing trusted users blocked, especially without notice, it is a very high standard to set. I also don't like users gallivanting on their merry way without reference to the community, especially when they have been undone. Good communication, tolerance, and approaching consensus from the softer side are always important. Can we please remove the block. Can we please have community members discuss their actions prior to making them a rod for all our backs, or hoisting us on to our own petards. If it looks bleeding obvious, yet it isn't urgent, and hasn't been done, asking about it may take a little longer, but at a community of this intermediate size, with leading protagonists, asking, piloting, testing, asking, has been proved to be effective. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Thanks. For what it's worth, I basically have work to do here daily. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Jr / Sr ==

Re: &quot;Jr is necessary as his father is notable as well&quot;. The issue on Wikisource is never just that of &quot;notability&quot;, but whether or not the other person '''published''' anything. I do not know in this case whether it will make any difference, but just want to make the reasoning clear to you. The issues on Wikisource are not the same as those on Wikipedia.

Also, please note that the document you are using to justify all of these Author page moves is an &quot;Essay&quot;, and has never been adopted as a Policy or as a Guideline by Wikisource. It is possible that some editors might take issue with certain moves to full names, although I have not seen any yet of that sort myself. Names like &quot;T. S. Eliot&quot; and &quot;Virginia Woolf&quot; in particular probably ought to have a discussion if they are to be moved. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What I mean as &quot;notable&quot; is not necessarily the sense of Wikipedia or Wikidata but yes, someone who may have produced a document/text/speech which could reasonably be reproduced here. You are mistaken about my justification: I am referring to the [[Help:Author_pages#Page_name|help documentation]] which says to not include titles and to include full names (except in instances of famous pseudonyms). Is there something I'm missing here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::I am not mistaken. You have linked to [[Wikisource:Author names]] in some of your edit summaries as justification. That page is tagged as an &quot;Essay&quot;. And as the Help page notes: sometimes a particular form of an author's name is used as if it were a pseudonym (T. S. Eliot, Virginia Woolf) and under those situations the better known pseudonym may be preferred. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

::Your move of [[Author:Abraham ibn Ezra]] to [[Author:Abraham ben Meir Ibn Ezra]] is the only one I saw that would might be considered objectionable (I've moved it back). Medieval Europe did not have a fixed system of naming as we as used to having today. Rather, individuals had a given name, but were recorded with whatever description might be needed as circumstances called for it. So, for example, Leonardo da Vinci (&quot;Leonardo, from Vinci&quot;) was usually enough to tell you ''which'' Leonardo someone was talking about, even though &quot;da Vinci&quot; was not actually part of his name. His &quot;full name&quot; was simply &quot;Leonardo&quot;. When treating with names before about 1500, the issue is more often: &quot;Which form of the name is used most often in modern scholarship?&quot; than &quot;What is the ''full'' name?&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} For names in the form &quot;de/du/d' [Place]&quot; I've left them if the person's name is too simple but moved them if the name is otherwise complete. In the case of &quot;Galileo Galilei&quot; or &quot;Leonardo da Vinci&quot; the Italian custom would be important to leave to those appellations so we can understand who it is supposed to be--similar to royalty. Of course, Anglo-style names from recent centuries are a lot easier for me to parse. I skipped a lot of Arabic names, ancient Greek ones, etc. If you see anything else that seems off-track, let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--that linked user essay gives examples like [[Author:James Matthew Barrie]] and doesn't call &quot;J.M.&quot; a pseudonym. If anything, that is an example consistent with the help documentation... Not sure what you're suggesting here nor what these examples are supposed to mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::: That's part of the problem. Some choices (like J. M. Barrie) are equivocal. The linked user Essay gives examples both ways without settling on one choice over the other, and does not use the best examples to explain the options. That Essay should not be used as a guide to make decisions about pagenames because it is a drafted (and abandoned) Essay that was crafted mostly by a single individual, and is not a Guideline or Policy. Help pages are likewise NOT guidelines or policies. That's my point: You're making lots of page moves based on a few sentences in a Help page and an Essay. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Barring any guideline or policy (of which there are only a handful anyway), then we may as well have something consistent and something that matches what we tell new users, right? If in 15 years there hasn't actually been some traction on formalizing a single standard across the project, that's unfortunate but on the one hand, it certainly leaves no reason to ''not'' make them consistent and on the other, we do have something written somewhere that prefers full names. Additionally, pages are routinely moved or created by others at full names and a page move based on a full name has passed by the Scriptorium recently without objection. In principle, it seems pretty clear that this is what is generally the case for many high-profile pages anyway. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] ==

Hey there, I came across [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] that you’ve added recently, but I’m not quite sure it complies to the guidelines for inclusion at Wikisource. I wanted to touch base with you before nominating it for deletion in case I’m missing something. 

As far as I can tell it’s a self published article, Medium is a blogging platform where anybody can just post something. They do have magazines, which can offer curated content, but in this case &quot;Humane Tech&quot; seems to be a magazine ran by Anil Dash himself. Do you know if it was published anywhere else that has peer-review or editorial controls? [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 09:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Marjoleinkl}} Medium is something like a self-publishing platform but some sub-sections of the site have an editorial policy. I have seen it commented on in other sites which have some professional editorial standards (e.g. [https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-28-february-2017 O'Reilly] or [https://boingboing.net/2017/02/28/silicon-ponzi.html BoingBoing]) but it was neither originally published there nor has it been reproduced elsewhere as far as I can tall. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::: Thanks for your reply. It’s a really recent text, it might get picked up more later. Right now it is unfortunately in a subsection that was editorialized by Anil Dash himself, which means it would solely self published and makes me lean towards requesting deletion. I’ll give it a few more days to see if it pops up anywhere else. It’s an interesting read for sure  [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 12:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== author pages for modern authors ==

For someone like [[Author:Alexandre J. M. E. Christoyannopoulos]] we would not normally create such an author page as the works  won't be in the public domain or freely available. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} But his will be, as he's an anarchist and makes it a point to publish openly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Koavf}} making us guess that is not overt information — a note on talk page would have helped. If he has works available already, then feel free to link to them externally now, works are preferred though not required to be local. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} There ''are'' works linked on his page now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== Why do you do seemingly pointless editing, and without community consultation? ==

What is the purpose or benefit of italicising all the PSM subheadings? eg. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Spencer_Walpole&amp;curid=499559&amp;diff=7041919&amp;oldid=6440788] We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions. If you are looking to undertake a large scale change like that it really should be put before the community for discussion so we can look at author pages holistically, and we all decide what is best. This has been mentioned to you before about unilateral actions, so how about they stop. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I saw something to fix, so I fixed it. The substantial majority of the headings were not italicized but some were—surely, it's not ''preferable'' for them to be inconsistent. I like well-formatted text and on an archival/library project, that's particularly important (e.g. look at all the myriad [[:Category:TOC_templates|templates we have for formatting tables of contents]]!) I am not seeing what you're going for here: are you suggesting that periodicals ''shouldn't'' be italicized (i.e. that this is controversial somehow and I should have elicited feedback from others because this is too potentially &lt;del&gt;inflammatory&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;contentious&lt;/ins&gt;) or that you want ''more'' periodicals italicized (i.e. that it is a task that will require others' intervention as well, so mentioning it at the Scriptorium will ensure that it's done more uniformly)? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
::I just looked thru your history... &quot;We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions&quot; literally the last page you edited before you came here was [[Author:William Samuel Lilly]] which had two such subdivisions... —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Style guide and quotation marks ==

Hi. Please read the guidance on quotation marks in [[Wikisource:Style guide]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Template:A ==

This is superfluous. We already have {{tl|al}} (author link). Wikisource discourages the proliferation of superfluous templates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I certainly have no objection to deleting any of them but if anything, why not {{tl|a}} over {{tl|al}}, since it's easier to type? Plus, since redirects are cheap, I don't really see the incentive to deleting any of them unless you think that something else will plausibly be named {{tl|a}}. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--what?! Why did you block me? What in the world? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:As I said before. '''DO NOT RECREATE COMMUNITY DELETED CONTENT'''. When it has been deleted again, and you have been asked ''not'' to create superfluous content, do not then recreate it again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Right--I didn't. Originally, I made a template, then I made a redirect. Is there some policy against that? What are you thinking? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Originally you made a template that did what a ''previously deleted template did''. Then you created it again as a redirect ''to do exactly what the deleted content did''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Billinghurst}} It looks like Petey just left. Can you please review this? This is outrageous to me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::The block may be outrageous, but so are the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:A|number of templates beginning with the letter A]] that equally qualify as those to which {{tl|a}} could redirect, and thus should not be wholly dismissed in favor of this one. If you really want to use this for author links, just ask on the Scriptorium again and find some agreement first. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 07:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Mahir256}} Yeah, that's fine. There's no reason to block me under a false pretense that I recreated deleted content. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::It's not a false pretense. The template was deleted before, and when you created it, you would have seen a warning that you were recreating deleted content. Then after it was deleted and you were warned directly, you created the redirect to do exactly what had already been deleted twice before. In future, do not simply disregard such warnings. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Well, that's BS as I didn't recreated anything deleted. Creating something else with the same name is not the same thing--I am ashamed for you for being so rude and aggressive instead of (e.g.) deleting the redirect and posting to my talk, which is a simple thing to do (e.g. the two other persons who did so). Why you think that is the correct choice is beyond me and I think you made a stupid and bad decision that was pointless. I feel bad for others you interact with if this is how you think you should be an admin when interacting with good faith users. You already drove me away from adding a lot of content in the first place form your first bad and unjustified block, so I don't know why you make it a point to try to be hostile to me since I add value to the project. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I wouldn't have blocked you, though you do undertake actions rather casually and without reference to the style guide and practice that you know well exists, then to repeat that action does send an interesting challenge. Creating a shortcut redirect for one letter based on your preference is not helpful; especially when we have so many templates for the character &quot;a&quot; and its variations. I hate some of our shortcut templates as they lack intuitiveness for new users &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh}} {{hws}} {{hwe}} {{hi}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are painful. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;''
* {{comment}} We also have to consider that many of the single-letter templates have different meanings on other projects. We do still get transwikied pages here, and for shorter template names, there is a higher likelihood that a template from one project will be interpreted quite differently here. There are usually good reasons behind deletions made by the community, and usually good reasons why we don't have more template redirects. It is always better to ask ''before'' making a change, rather than ''after''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== Engine ==

You've had this explained to you more than once. Do not force yourself into being blocked again. Start a discussion if you think the Wikisource Community should change. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What in the world are you doing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::Undoing your tagging of Featured Works. If you don't understand I'm sorry we weren't clear: 
::* DO NOT TAG EVERY WORK ON WIKISOURCE WITH {{tl|engine}}.
::* DO NOT ALTER FEATURED TEXTS.
::I'm sorry if you're just not able to understand, but you will not be told again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't be an ass to me. Why should ''[[The Writings of St. Francis of Assisi]]'' &lt;ins&gt;or ''[[A Simplified Grammar of the Swedish Language]]''&lt;/ins&gt; be unsearchable? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::See above comment. And please stop pinging me. I'll consider it harassment if you continue.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: How is that relevant? See what I wrote above: you can stop being an ass and be a decent person instead. You lack simple judgement and even the most basic courtesy sometimes. How about you take a moment to either come up with a coherent response or just stop harassing me altogether if you can't be civil? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: See above comment. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Please go away now--you are being harassing and rude. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:15, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== Mixing category trees ==

Please do not mix the Author category trees with Subject category trees. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== Bot accounts for bot edits ==

Hi.  Please don't flood RC with rapid edits.  If you need to do such things, then please get a bot account, or organise with a bureaucrat to have a temporary assignation of a flood right. Thanks. Not certain why this conversation needs to occur with an experienced editor. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} What do you have in mind? &gt;3 edits/min? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Not sure if you saw the above. If you have a rough time estimate, that will let me know how to 1.) throttle or 2.) request the flood flag. I'm guessing something like three to six a minute. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

== Works about ==

House style is to complete this phrase in the section header for Author pages, usually with the person's surname as in &quot;Works about Brown&quot;, rather than leaving the phrase uncompleted as &quot;Works about&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Nice. Very helpful. Is this documented and I missed it? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
::See [[Help:Author pages#Works about the author]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Are we recreating this from scratch, or undeleting the edit history?

Note: Technically there are still 7 hours to go until 2019 as far as the WM servers in San Francisco are concerned. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I can't undelete, so I am recreating. I have several scans to use (see Commons) and illustrations to add still. Was the previous version from a scan or raw text? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:: Raw text. As an admin, I can undelete. But the question is whether we should do so. If you're going to work from a scan in the immediate future, then there's little point in undeleting the copy-paste edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Agreed--I don't see any value in it since it (should be???) would be identical. I'm adding illustrations from the scans and will probably do a proper index of the 1926 Knopf edition. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

:Having put the effort into the previously available works, I feel entitled to press you on this. Please create the content in the work space and transclude it when done. As with the earlier works, there is no shortage of shoddy versions of this elsewhere; we might as well do it properly. Doing this in the workspace (Page: and Index:) means you can do as little or as much as you like.  &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} I can't understand you. Can you reword this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry, try reading it again, &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} No thanks. It just seems like you're telling me to do what I'm already doing which seems like a waste. If you have new information, please let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::We shall see. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} Sure. Great talk. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Just stumbled across this exchange while mining for technical details in talk pages, wanted to say I love it - warms the heart to know I'm not the only person who...gets frustrated by talkpage messages here (and I've only been here a couple weeks! Though I'm not particularly taking sides in this dispute - just saying it's an amusing read) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Yeah, that's one way to put it. :/ Shalom/salaam/shlema yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Google to DjVu ==

Are you able to pull a Google Books (or Hathi Trust) PDF file and create a DjVu? There is one volume of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' that doesn't seem to exist on IA, but a reasonable copy created by Google exists on the Hathi Trust: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101803428]

If you have the capability to pull the PDF and generate a DjVu for Commons as [[:File:Henry VI Part 2 (1923) Yale.djvu]] it would be greatly appreciated. It's not ideal, but I cannot find a better scan.

If you cannot do this, then perhaps you know someone who might be able to do so? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Always happy to help. I can convert PDFs to DJVU, yes. I do not have a login for Hathi Trust, tho so I don't have access to the PDF original. Their site [https://www.hathitrust.org/help_digital_library#Download claims] that I don't need to be part of a member institution to download public domain works but I'm not seeing how to do this... Can you help me figure out how to get the PDF in the first place? Are you familiar with their site? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Forget it. I got it from Google Books. It will be uploaded momentarily. I assume that you'll do the work at Commons like you did with the last upload but please let me know if you need more from me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::: Setting up all the bibliographic info is a snap for me, so I can certainly do that, as long as you provide the link to the file's source. The ultimate goal is to make a full set of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' available, once all the volumes are in public domain. Xover has been transcribing the history plays, and ''2 Henry VI'' is the only one of those currently missing. Thanks again for taking on the task. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks for all the work you do here. https://books.google.com/books?id=t2BNAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PP7&amp;dq=The+second+part+of+King+Henry+the+Sixth+/+edited+by+Tucker+Brooke.&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwj0gN2axdXgAhXKop4KHZ5cC7IQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

There are two more Yale Shakespeare volume in PD that do not have IA scans, but are available at books.google. Could you please process/convert/upload these to Commons? These two will be the last in the series (at least for 2019).

: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}DA2uKrVaIPIC}} -&gt; [[:File:Shakespeare's Sonnets (1923) Yale.djvu]]
: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}3IAEAQAAIAAJ}} -&gt; [[:File:Romeo and Juliet (1917) Yale.djvu]]

As with previous volumes, I will happily take care of adding all the file data myself, if you can accomplish the uploads. Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} {{done}}. Can you please add categories as well? Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:: Certainly. Thanks again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== Peshitta ==

Following up on my WP message—I've put up [[Index:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu]] and made a start on his Gospel translation (beginning [[Page:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu/283|here]]). After uploading it I realised Barnes's Psalter only has a critical apparatus and no translation.

I also uploaded:
* &quot;[[:File:Fourth Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents.djvu|4 Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents]]&quot; by Barnes which has translations of the latter though not the Peshitta
* [[:File:Syriac New Testament (Murdock).djvu|Murdock's Syriac New Testament translation]]
* [[:File:Translation of the Syriac Peshito version of the Psalms of David.djvu|Oliver's Syriac Psalter translation]]

Transcribing the original and the public domain critical Syriac editions listed at [http://syri.ac/bible syri.ac], including Barnes's, on the multilingual WS might be a good longer-term project. —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]]) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== My Airships ==

Hi Koavf!! I just saw that you validated two pages from the [[Index:My Airships.djvu|My Airships]]. Could you help me with the following summaries/image list pages? Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 22:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Erick Soares3}} No, I can't--I don't have the time now. If you don't get anyone to help you for several days, you can try pinging me again but I don't want to commit to something and fail. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::Ok! Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 23:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

== Broken encoding of apostrophes in page titles ==

I found a workaround for [[phab:T178143]], thought you'd like to know. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 02:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beleg Tâl}} Thanks. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AG._R._O%27Reilly&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=9614841&amp;oldid=7047244 saw that you closed the ticket]. Very helpful. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

You stand in danger of being short-term blocked for edit warring on [[Template:Index transcluded/doc]]. Please desist—particularly over such a minor matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Do you have any perspective on what to do to break the impasse and make that page more accessible? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:: My perspective is simply that at least there is a documentation page for the template. I see it as unlikely that a vision-impaired person would be accessing it. Effort would be better dedicated to those templates that have no documentation page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 05:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Aromatics and the Soul: A Study of Smells]] and chapters ==

Can you please indicate why this has been transcluded as one solid page rather than as chapters into subpages, as would be usual with such works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} It wasn't that long of a work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

== Please don't unilaterally rename templates ==

Regarding [[Special:Diff/9822207|this move]]. Please do not unilaterally rename templates like this without discussion. If you find the template's name inconvenient the correct approach is to create a redirect for it at a more convenient name. In this case, the intended usage (and what the docs use in examples to encourage users to use that) is the alias {{tlx|rvh}}. The base template was named as it was because there is a semantic difference between a hyphen and an em-dash: the former denotes a range where the latter denotes a disjoint or contrast. The template isn't for &quot;recto ''to'' verso pages&quot;, it is for &quot;recto ''vs.'' verso pages&quot;. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Then the appropriate character would have been an ndash, not an emdash. But I left behind a redirect that someone else deleted. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::My apologies; I seem to have failed to communicate my point. Your position on typography and the capabilities of your keyboard are all fine arguments for a discussion, but not particularly germane here. Please do not rename templates without prior discussion, and even then there is usually no need to do so when a redirect can address the concern. Either use an existing alias (like {{tlx|rvh}}) or create a new one that suits. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Xover}} Is there a policy on template naming that I have missed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::Not that I am aware of, no. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Xover}} Thanks a lot for your input. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[The Story of Mankind]] ==

Do you get a sense of déja vu? And the reasoning for this work to not be set into chapters? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? and no reason. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
::Team player. :-( — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Man, I cannot understand you: can you please use your words and not be cryptic? I can't help you if you're not saying what you mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
==Changes at [[The Applicability of Weber's Law to Smell]]==
The edits to {{tl|header}} I made at the above page were made in accordance with the template documentation. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

== Speedy template ==

The speedy template is {{tlx|sdelete}} (and, no, nobody who works a lot on other projects remember that), and there's an alias at {{tlx|db}} (from the speedy reason codes at enWP) that might be easier to recall. For pages you created yourself, G7 (Author's request) is usually the best bet (no need for the admin to do a lot of thinking or assessing policy with that one), so just slap {{tlx|db|G7}} on there.

PS. I am guessing, of course, that that's what you intended on the redirect left after the page move on Grant's memoirs, and not {{tlx|delete}}, so I'll go nuke it presently. If I misunderstood then apologies for the interruption; and please let me know if you want it undeleted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Excellent. Thanks! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

== Annotated editions ==

Annotated editions should have the name with (Annotated) added to the end, and not be subpages within another copy. ==[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I know that, that's how I named the page--I didn't move it. I recommend you post this on the talk page of the person who moved it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I did, but posted here as well to ensure you were aware the conversation was happening. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Ah. That wasn't clear. I'm a big fan of {{tl|ping}}, so adding me to the conversation that way would make it much easier and more intelligible. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

==Watchlisting your talkpage==
Alright, first time I've ever watchlisted a talkpage but this one is therapeutic - I forget how I got here but I ended up reading nearly all of it. &quot;OMG, stop being bold and trying things if you don't have forms filled out in triplicate authorizing you to do something!&quot;, &amp;c. Anyways, it takes all types, and in the future I may become exasperated with you, or you with me, but in the meantime...keep adding works and plugging away on tidying up where you can :) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 11:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Thanks for the encouragement. I always add new texts on Public Domain Day (i.e. January 1), so Wikisource is on my mind in winter. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Source of New Yorker scan ==

Hi! Quick question: where did the New Yorker scan come from? I'd like to extract some images from the original scan, as the ones in the PDF are quite compressed. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Inductiveload}} Which one? Just issue 1, that I uploaded or the compilation of the rest of the year, which I have broken up into individual issues on Commons over the past couple of hours? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Well, I meant the first one, but knowing where they all come from would be good, I suppose. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::I found issue one somewhere on the Web; the other issues evidently came from a Google Books scan. I have reached out to the publication to try to get a hold of Erin Overbey but no one seems to care too much about helping get hi-quality scans. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Darn, thanks anyway. Could you ping me if decent scans turn up? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Inductiveload}} 100%. One solution would probably be buying a subscription to their archives but I'm not going to do that. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Template:Watch]] ==

Hi. When adding video, would you be so kind to wrap it in this template. And to note that we have [[template:listen]] for audio files. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I've used {{tl|listen}} (e.g. [[Optimism (Keller)]]) but not this one. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Remarks by President Biden in a CNN Town Hall with Anderson Cooper]] is CV ==

Hi. Cooper is not a federal government employee so we cannot include his works where he is co-author.  These interview type works have been decisions through CV, and if you think my deletion is incorrect then please use [[WS:CV]] to have that undeletion discussion. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

== sources and are they individual or subpages ==

Please would you add sources for these works [[special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]] per WS requirements.
{{special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet}}

Do you consider them individual documents, or are they more subpages of a parent work? To me it is conceivable that they are subpages. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} &quot;add sources for these works&quot;? What? Look at [[American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]]: it has a source. What ''doesn't'' have a source? This is a really confusing request to me. No, I don't consider them a single source only to the extent that they were all published with distinct URIs and none of them have ever been on one webpage or in one print document that I've seen. I could definitely see the contrary argument, tho. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Apologies, they weren't showing up as transcluded pages to me that has reset itself now. All good. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Eeveryone maeks misstakes. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cats &lt;= plain sister template ==

If you are linking a cat to WD, the adding {{tl|plain sister}} will pull in the interwikis. &quot;plain sister&quot; is the bit that does the work in the headers, though it is just hidden away. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 04:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
:Nice. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

== Portal:Yale Shakespeare ==

Please Stop. and Discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why would you remove accessibility features and make the site more hostile to the blind? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::  I am unaware of any &quot;accessibility features&quot; in your edit, but I do see the removal of sections, which prevents section editing.  I see the addition of complex tables to format ''temporary'' content.  Please explain why this page must be organized in tables in a way that makes it hard to read for the sighted, hard to edit, and why this format must be used on this Portal and no others? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::You need to stop: you're admitting your own ignorance about table semantics. If you don't know what a table caption is, you should ask or read about it ''before'' removing it. And captions should be used on ''all'' tables. Are you going to revert yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: Instead of answering my message, you've issued a command and belittled my intelligence.  That is not discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::You didn't answer my question and I didn't belittle your intelligence: I pointed out how you admit that you don't know what you're talking about. If you're ignorant, that's fine. Editing out of ignorance is not. If you want to learn more, see e.g. [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Proper_table_captions_and_summaries]]. Now please stop being rude and answer my questions. I suggest you revert yourself and stop abusing your user rights. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::: The page you have directed me to is a Wikipedia style page.  It does not explain accessibility, but states best practice according to Wikipedia's MoS.  If you believe that Wikisource should adopt this Wikipedia policy, then please propose it.  Wikipedia policies have no weight here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} No, you are incorrect: as that page explicitly states per WCAG guidelines: [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 data tables need captions] and this is a simple thing to do that provides high value for the blind. Did you read this page from the W3C or not? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: How could I have read the page ''before'' you asked me to do so?  I see nothing to support your assertion that captions must be used.  Also, this is not a data table, but a layout table, and the page you have pointed me to says &quot;If a table is used for layout, the caption element is not used.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It is not a layout table, it is a data table. And I directed you to the Wikipedia page ''which cites the WCAG''. You had every chance to read the sources that make it explicitly clear that you should use table captions. You also seem to not know what a data table is, so please revert yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: Wikipedia's policies have no bearing on Wikisource.  I read the WCAG page you pointed me to, and it does not support your assertions.  If there is a page that does support your assertions, please point to it and quote the portion that you believe supports your view.  I have been unable to find such justification.  You are again belittling my intelligence.  Please desist, or I will have to raise the issue of your personal attacks.  Such behavior is inappropriate.  The list on the Portal is ''not'' a data table, and the tables themselves are purely temporary.  As the works are verified the links are removed; and once an entire section has been completely (or almost completely) validated, the table formatting will be removed entirely.  The tables exist solely for layout and are purely temporary. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I never said that Wikipedia policies are incumbent upon Wikisource: please re-read what I wrote. See the bottom of [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 this page] which gives a simple flow chart for deciding when to use table captions: since this is a data table (not a layout table as you claimed) it needs a caption. See also the other citations at the page where I already directed you: &quot;Ensure table captions are provided explicitly&quot;. Accessibility Management Platform (AMP). San Francisco, California: SSB BART Group. 2015. &quot;Best Practices&quot; section. Retrieved 13 July 2015. GSA Schedule 70. Cites multiple standards besides WCAG, including: JIS X 8341-3: 2004 - Technical Standards Subpart 5; KWCAG; 47 CFR 14. Advanced Communication Services, §14.21 Performance Objectives; HHS HTML 508 Checklist; and US Telecommunications Act Accessibility Guidelines 1193.41–43.&quot; Note also that you keep on reverting to a [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Yale_Shakespeare&amp;oldid=11180521 version of the page] that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=2441 lacks header identification information for the column and row scopes] and that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=941 includes blank headers]. Your allegation that it isn't a data table is plainly false. I am not claiming that you are unintelligent but that you are simply ignorant: you don't know what you're talking about. If you keep on asserting that it isn't a data table when that is exactly what it is, I would have to assume that you're either uninformed or at some point, if you keep on saying it once you know better, you are lying. In neither case do I think you are unintelligent. As this ''is'' a data table and ''not'' a layout table as you have falsely claimed, please revert yourself and stop making edits that make our site more difficult for blind users. If you don't understand the distinction between a data and layout table, then I suggest that you please stop asserting that one is the other. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
: I read all pages that you pointed me to.  If the information was actually on some other page I should have read, then I didn't see it.  I read the pages you asked me to read.  You assume that because I disagree with you that I must be ignorant, lying, etc. The flowchart step 1 on the WCAG page you keep referring to states: &quot;determine whether the content has a relationship with other content in '''both''' its column and its row&quot; (emphasis added).  There are no vertical relationships in the table in question.  Each row is independent of the others, without relation, so the table fails to qualify as a data table.
: I also point out that in your second comment in this thread, you said &quot;captions should be used on ''all'' tables&quot;, but this is flatly refuted by the very page you pointed me to, which says that captions should ''not'' be used on layout tables.  If you would start by admitting you were in error, perhaps we could proceed? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Data tables are distinguished from tables used for the layout of a page. These are data tables. See, e.g. [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML/Tables/Advanced this guide from MDN] on how to use column and row scopes as well as captions for data tables (i.e. not tables that are incorrectly used for layout). [https://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/webd2/student/unit2/module5/lesson1.html Here] is another very basic example of a data table: each row shows information &quot;independent&quot; of the other rows but they are arranged in a tabular fashion: this is a data table and is obviously ''not'' a layout table. Since layout tables ''shouldn't exist at all'', then yes, I assumed that we would use proper semantics, best practices, and CSS for positioning elements, since that is its purpose. I suppose that if someone were incorrectly using a table for layout on Wikisource, then it shouldn't have a caption but it also shouldn't exist in the first place. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

== Re:Non-breaking spaces ==

I always remove non-breaking spaces because I can’t see the point of having them. What is the reason for their existence? --[[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 00:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kathleen.wright5}} They keep a phrase that should be on one line from wrapping around multiple lines. If you have:{{br}} &quot;He was ranked No.&amp;nbsp;3{{br}}in the world competition&quot;{{br}}that is better than{{Br}}&quot;He was ranked No.{{br}}3 in the world competition&quot;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

== Annotated works at Wikibooks ==

Hi, I am quite excited to see your work at WB, [[b:Annotations_to_The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I’m really interested in doing Annotated copies of WS books and have been trying to get an idea of how it might work. I’ve had a go with [[Economic Sophisms]] and it was imported to [[b:Economic Sophisms|WB]] which proved to be a novel exercise for QuiteUnusual. I am not very tech minded and have been stalled by the challenge. 

I would like to proofread [[The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I am working on a Project Gutenberg [[User:Zoeannl/PG_Proofreaders_Guidelines|Proofreading guide]], do you mind if I proofread according to this standard? e.g. [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]] 

Have you any thoughts on alternative ways to format annotated texts? It would seem quite easy to link your notes to the original WS page scans? The other example I have found is [[b:Annotations_to_James_Joyce%27s_Ulysses/Telemachus/003|Annotations to Ulysses]] which has the original text included. I hope you still have interest in this project, Cheers, [[User:Zoeannl|Zoeannl]] ([[User talk:Zoeannl|talk]]) 02:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zoeannl}} I could not be more happy that you wrote me. As you can see from my edit history, I've recently been working on [[What_to_the_Slave_Is_the_Fourth_of_July%3F_(annotated)]] and that lead me to take a look at other annotated editions to see how they are done. We have very few here and in spite of that, there is no one way to do them. I have chosen a certain style on the work I just linked because I like a mix of inline links, citations, and annotations as being separate things that mean something different. E.g. I may include an inline link to Wiktionary for a word that is obscure, a reference for something that is cited (like a Bible passage or quoting Shakespeare), and an annotation for anything else that is unclear or could use some context.
:I'm assuming that you've already seen [[Wikisource:Annotations]] but if not, I recommend it. For a unique way to do it, I'd recommend taking a look at [[Strivings of the Negro People]] and [[Strivings of the Negro People/Annotated]]. The nice thing about the way this is done is that there is just one text and it is transcluded into another page with new content in it. So there is no need to proofread twice or copy and paste changes to the original over and over again, etc. I would recommend you maybe consider this format because it could save you some time. If that method seems confusing or weird at first, let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
:Real treat to hear from you and to see someone else interested in annotations and the work that I started ''years'' ago and have yet to finish. I'm happy for you to edit according to any standard that you think is appropriate: note that I've also added in an edit after yours to [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]]: it's a collaborative effort. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons ==

As a more experienced user, and with reference to [[WS:H#Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons|this help request]], can you help with transferring the two files mentioned at that help request section from Commons to here under {{tl|PD-EdictGov}}? It seems that [[Special:Upload]] don't work if the file exists on Commons (even if it is to be deleted), and time is quite tight: only 2 days are given for transferal.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 13:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|廣九直通車}} It looks like they have been uploaded with new names. You can do two things: 1.) you can wait until the Commons files are deleted and then move the local copies to their old names or 2.) leave the files where they are but move all of the indices and pages so that their names are in sync. In the future, this can be resolved by using [[Special:Import]], for users that have the proper user rights (which I don't here but I do have at [[:s:mul:]]). Let me know if there's anything else you need and happy 2022! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advice. I was later found mislead by insufficient information provided on [[c:COM:Namibia]], as it is found that Namibian copyright law did have provision that releases laws into their local public domain.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 09:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Brilliant! All's well that ends well and I learned something about Namibian law in the process! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Non-breaking dashes ==

What should be done with this?

* ill-judged

[[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Valjean}} Great question! Try &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Nowrap|ill-judged}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Will do. Thanks. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

== American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets without indices ==

Hi! I noticed that [[:Category:Page transclusions that refer to missing Index pages]] contains a number of American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets from April 2021. It looks like you uploaded the files and created the pages in April, but you didn't create the corresponding indices. So, this message is a reminder, and a suggestion that you do that. (Also, I've made and proofread [[Index:American Jobs Plan State Fact Sheet FL.pdf]], if you'd like to validate it.) Cheers! —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 09:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}} Thanks. As you can see, at the time, I was uploading several videos and documents per day, spending hours on en.ws documenting the new administration and around day 100, I just got burnt out. I need to go back and fix up things, as well as restart the uploading and transcribing. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::Legit! I certainly have a number of slow-moving projects myself. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 18:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::The missing indexes leaves these pages completely broken (it just throws a big red error message at our readers), so fixing these as a priority would be a good thing.
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Hawaii]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Idaho]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Illinois]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Indiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Iowa]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kansas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kentucky]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Louisiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maine]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maryland]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Massachusetts]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Michigan]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Minnesota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Mississippi]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Missouri]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Montana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nebraska]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nevada]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Hampshire]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Jersey]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Mexico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New York]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Ohio]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oklahoma]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oregon]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Pennsylvania]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Puerto Rico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Rhode Island]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Tennessee]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Texas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Utah]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Vermont]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Washington]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in West Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wisconsin]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wyoming]]&lt;/s&gt;
::[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

This long national nitemare is finally over. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

== Alternative voice example in {{tl|em text}} ==

Hi,

I wanted to ask about the first example of when {{em text|not}} to use the template. The example is confusing to me: In both sentences the speaker is stressing the italicized the word—in the first sentence to emphasize that something is atypical or important about ''that'', and in the second sentence to highlight their uncertainty. I would use the {{tl|em text}} template in both cases.

I think a better example of changing to alternative voice would be, for example, switching between formal and casual speech. Something like &quot;Buy our toy kiddos, it's the coolest! ''This ad was brought to you by UltraCorp Inc.''&quot;

Note that I'm not a native English speaker so I wanted to make sure before editing. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Alnaling}} Good point. I'll change it to make it clearer. Again, great work in these semantics. May I ask what your native tongue is? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I speak Polish natively. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Dziękuję, friend. Great work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

== Unify {{tl|b}} and {{tl|bold}}? ==

Hi, I was recently a bit confused that {{tl|b}} does not redirect to {{tl|bold}}, unlike {{tl|i}} that redirects to {{tl|italic}}. I've looked at it and it seems that there aren't many uses of {{tl|b}} (and the majority of them is a misuse for heading) so maybe it could be unified to be more consistent? And if we want to retain a template alias for triple quotes, it could be under a name that better conveys the &quot;draws attention to&quot; semantics (maybe ''brandish''?). [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 13:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:I don't think we can unify them, as &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, and a CSS text width of &lt;code&gt;bold&lt;/code&gt; are not identical in meaning, even if they look the same. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::I didn't mean to unify them in this sense. I've meant to change {{tl|b}} to redirect to {{tl|bold}} and move the existing code for {{tl|b}} under a new, better name. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 16:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry. I have used &quot;[x] text&quot; sometimes. E.g. {{tl|em}} and {{tl|em text}}. I am still hesitant to think that {{tl|b}} should redirect to {{tl|bold}}, but I can see your argument, for sure. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I think matching HTML names makes sense for newer tags that have reasonable names like &lt;code&gt;em&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, but &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt; is a terrible name, only kept for backward compatibility reasons. Maybe {{tl|bhtml}} similar to {{tl|qhtml}} would also make sense. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 18:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sometimes I do &quot;[x]html&quot; (note that I made {{tl|qhtml}}). But I'm not sure that &quot;B&quot; is any worse than &quot;I&quot;. It's ''good'' to have some short template names. I use {{tl|C}} a lot. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

== Juvenile Delinquency Testimony ==

FYI, once I get all the pages OCR'd and the formatting put in (lots of smallcaps, speaker's names), I plan on doing a run through the whole thing and adding the {{tl|nop}}s with the script. Right now I only have the left hand pages created for most of it. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

:If you think it's a real concern I can change the headers to use {{tl|uc}} throughout, I just really wasn't worrying about it (it only really matters if someone cut-pastes the text, afaik, which seems unlikely since headers aren't transcluded). [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Actually looking closer at the type, I think those are {{larger|{{asc|Juvenile Delinquency}}}} (larger-asc) from the shape of the letters. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Do your thing. That edit was a one-off. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, and thanks for the reply. I'm not actually reading (proofing) the thing, because it would be boring as hell, lol, just getting formatting it as something fairly mindless while listening to podcasts. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Wikidata IP block ==

Hello, I am wondering whether it would be possible (and appropriate) for you to give my alt account [[User:Beleg Âlt]] &quot;IP block exempt&quot; status on Wikidata. When I am using my alt account, my Internet is usually routed via Azure, which is globally blocked as an open proxy. I hope that I am trustworthy enough to be permitted this access :) (I've already given my alt this status on enWS, but editing enWS without Wikidata access is rather limiting as I'm sure you are aware) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:I've seen your name around many times, so I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm wondering a little why me and why make the request here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
::Because you are the only Wikidata admin whose name I recognize as active on enWS, and because I will probably forget when I get home and am able to make the request on Wikidata directly (since enWS is the only project where I have IP block exempt status on this account) :) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Thanks for all you do. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Good morning! Can I trouble you for Global IP block exempt status on my main account [[User:Beleg Tâl]] also? Much obliged :)  —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:Can do, but to be clear, the instructions on [[:d:Special:UserRights/Beleg_Tâl]] include the line &quot;If you intend to add IP block exemption to an account, please consider asking a CheckUser to verify the need.&quot; Are you okay with this, knowing that I would inform CUs, i.e. I'm willing to give you the right, but I will also post to [[:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser]]. Let me know and I'll pull the trigger. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

== Technical advancements ==

To get a deletion request from the legendary Koavf could be said to be a great honor. :) It's good to see you again; if you'll remember I'm PseudoSkull from your not-so-distant past at Wiktionary.

Almost all of the edits I make to Wikisource are the product of a large software project I've been working tirelessly on for almost a year, and that will take many more years to fully perfect. I'm working on ways to streamline the proofreading process and make it faster, easier, more effective, and cleaner. I try and keep it as close to best practices as possible. The editing process I'm using right now is entirely a power-user thing, but due to my observations and feedback about Wikisource's editing challenges through this very technology, the frontend (ProofreadPage itself, our local handling of Wikidata work/version data, and the transclusion process) is finally seeing some badly-needed improvements being realized over time, thanks especially to the genius work of CalendulaAsteraceae in this area.

I spend almost all of my extra time every day transcribing old books and movies for Wikisource; it's an interest I take very seriously...perhaps too seriously, but that's another story. The line between an addiction and just life is not so distinct online I guess...

If there is an issue with some of the software and templates I develop for transcriptions, it might be better to ask me about it individually before starting a Proposed deletion, because likelihood is I will not even disagree with your feelings on the approach... In this particular case, there happened to be a better alternative that I didn't think of at the time I developed the individual-template model with auxTOCs, and it took your nudge to remind me to look for an improvement. And go figure, today's improvement actually worked! That's something I wasn't expecting, what a miracle... I'd consider that a huge win, and I partially have you to thank for that.

But anyway, I'd ask that you give me personal feedback and if it's something I should fix I will, or at least we could come up with some kind of compromise. I don't want a technical issue—15,000 lines of code and 4 hours of transcription with no breaks later—to be framed as &quot;you failed, SnowyCinema!!! Shame on you! Delete!&quot; That probably wasn't how you intended it to come across—you probably weren't aware of the large scope of this operation and maybe just assumed I was a new user unaware of general wiki practices (I did change my username again after all)—but a deletion discussion framed like this implies that a contributor was wholly incorrect for making a wrong template and puts ''all'' of their work ''collectively'' in a negative light.

If we still fundamentally disagreed after a few discussion comments, I'd have no problem with a PD discussion after the fact, because the disagreement after full understanding in both parties would justify that more. But more likely, I would improve the approach per your suggestions and make the requested changes to existing works.

Plus it'd be nice to catch up once in a while. Let's talk instead of debate...unless we have to. Happy editing! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Nice to hear from you, ol' FakeHead. Yes, of course I didn't mean to offend or hurt feelings or what have you and I did not want to make you feel personally attacked or criticized. re: your workflow, I recall that yesterday, I happened to see [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Spider_Boy_(1928).pdf/17&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14122183 this mistaken use] of {{tl|sc}} and I thought to myself several hours later, &quot;I wonder if that work has other pages like that with errant small caps?&quot; and looked at the index to see that I was shocked that it had been fully transcribed. I poked around several pages and saw that it was well done, too (but I didn't validate any pages--I was a little too busy for that). The only shortcoming I saw, which is admittedly pretty trivial, is that the footers are lacking &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{C|[{{old style|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;var&gt;x&lt;/var&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;]}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for page numbers, but I was again too busy to bother with that. Great work, SC. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:: Yes, and incidentally that smallcaps issue was due to a transcription misconfiguration on my part, (it was supposed to be &quot;beg=n&quot; aka &quot;beginning = no formatting&quot;, not &quot;beg=sc&quot; :( and I fixed all other instances of this as soon as you recognized it initially), but thank you! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Old Style ==

If you want, I will start a discussion about limiting the use of the Old Style template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

:No, I'm good after the last discussion. What is there to discuss that wasn't discussed the last time? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::There was consider opposition to its overuse and misuse during the deletion discussion for the template.  It isn't meant for random use where the font is irrelevant. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's already in use on this work and has been for years. Please stop undoing both the consistent use of old style (which is used selectively and not overused or misused) as well as the other changes. There is no reason to randomly change the styling on a per-page basis that has been established for years on this work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I created those pages today; they have not been in place &quot;for years&quot;.  The pages created by the primary editor over the past month make no use of the template.  There is also ''no'' discussion page establishing the template as part of the work's style. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't write that those two pages have been around for years, I wrote that the general transcription project of the work has been and as you likely know, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Hawaii%27s_Story_by_Hawaii%27s_Queen.pdf/15&amp;action=history it has used old style numbers in the table of contents for years] as well as on other pages. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand.  I thought you insisted on using old style because it replicates the original.  However, you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:Hm? E.g.? &lt;ins&gt;Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic.&lt;/ins&gt;—[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I ceased editing because I'm waiting for you to explain yourself. Please clarify what you mean with some diffs or even basic context because I have no clue what your post means. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I have no clue what your occult message means and you refuse to explain it, I'm going to keep on doing what I've been doing. If you have anything substantial to say, I'm all ears. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} &quot;you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original.&quot; How so? Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== The Philosophical Review ==

This is a work-based category being cleared prior to deletion.  Wikisource established by consensus that we do not categorize subpages of works into a category for that work.  Such categories are eligible for speedy deletion under [[WS:CSD]] G8.  Please desist your reversions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Can you please explain what you meant in the above cryptic message? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::You are reverting good edits.  Please stop.  The edits were good. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Your message in ''this'' thread is not cryptic. Your message ''above'' that I have mentioned multiples as being cryptic is cryptic. Please explain ''that''. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but your previous message was too cryptic for me to understand that. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Never communicate like that with me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I will note that the EB1911 categories are a special case or work-based category.  No decision has been made to delete them; they are being kept, at least for now.  There may be one or two others that are not coming to mind. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:UGANDA AND THE EGYPTIAN SOUDAN.djvu]] ==

Can you have a look over this, it seems to have an odd formating that was casuing lints? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I don't see these issues. I searched the index and its CSS on every lint errors page with no results and have been poking thru individual pages. Where are you seeing this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
: pp. 1 to 36. I sat down and delinted myself.  However, the previous contributor may have have been unfamiliar with certain conventions used on this project. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I've seen edits by this user that give me pause as well. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::: Well I've left them 2 hopefully polite notes to consider how other users are formatting, perhaps you could consider giving them pointers (that weren't in the welcome message) about how English Wikisource formats things? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll offer, but I have had concerns about this account(s) and no one else seems to much care: [[Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Possible_sockpuppet_accounts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: Who has local checkuser, I found another account editing roughly the same works - [[Special:Contributions/BellaAber]]? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&amp;group=checkuser&amp;wpsubmit=&amp;wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&amp;limit=1000 no local CheckUsers]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not ever claim &quot;established style&quot; in future, if you are going to disregard the same claim when made by others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:What style was changed? Also, why do you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AUGANDA_AND_THE_EGYPTIAN_SOUDAN.djvu%2F9&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=14563269 keep on inserting inaccuracies in your validated page]? How is it ''better'' to keep on including wrong things on the page? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::''What'' inaccuracies? For someone who complains about cryptic remarks, you sure make a lot of them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Does the page say &quot;BY THE&quot; (as I validated it) or &quot;'BY THE&quot; (as you validated it)? Please link to another purportedly cryptic comment I made. Also, please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If there is a single stray quote, then remove the single stray quote.  All the other changes are inappropriate, unnecessary, unhelpful, and against established style.  And if the problem is just a stray extra quote mark, then say &quot;there is a superfluous quote mark&quot; rather than making a cryptic statement and reverting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::#What style was changed?
:::::#When was I making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original?
:::::It seems like you're in the business of just blindly reverting without paying any attention to the actual changes made. Please correct me if I'm wrong and please answer the two questions I just asked you (again). —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

== wikisource files at commons ==

I do several things there with source images for books that I learned from [[User:Hesperian|Hesperian]]'s example.  Putting the images into a category that was specific to the publication was one of the big ones.  Commons gets images from different publications (Paris and Toronto are usually the places) from the same year.  So, Hesperian would put the images into categories with the publishers name.  I rarely do this because of duplicate publications, but I encountered so many Flickr images from the book I was doing, that I try to put them into categories where a bot would not upload Flickr crap into.  

Also, God's Man is an unnervingly general phrase.

I am kind of unhappy with that move there.  Other than that, how is life treating you?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:To be clear, it's &quot;Gods' Man&quot;, not &quot;God's Man&quot;. I'm not familiar with any other works by that name. Life is treating me well, tho I recently lost my wallet like an idiot and am suffering some of the fallout of my stupidity. I am generally looking forward to 2025, which is the first time in several years where the new year seems positive. Yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

::Truly, my peak with spelling and grammar was in 8th grade.  I came back to mention also that commons is for all of the wiki, not just en:w and that gutenberg uploads occur frequently (300px, medium sized in the old days, small today) and just keeping all of the images from this one publication in one place is such a good reason for so many other reasons.  Hesperian's experience was with en:w, commons, and en:s making this person a good one to follow.  My experience as been with commons, en:s, and wd.  It is good to understand more than one wiki.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but I may not understand what the point was of this thread. Is there some action you need from me? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:::: Someone at commons with your user name moved the files for Gods' Man, fixing the apostrophe but losing the author last name and the year.  Hence, the words here about everything I learned from there and here about category names.  I really thought that you were the person to have moved them so I did not provide background information.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I did move it. There's nothing wrong with the move. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

== Thanks and Invitation to the WDOGE  ==

Your contributions of primary sources are appreciated, being on a wide variety of topics philosophic, religious, and historical.  Also your constructive improvements on author pages for both [[Author:Joe Biden|Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Donald Trump|Donald Trump]].

You are invited to contribute to the &quot;Wiki Discourse on Government Efficiency&quot;, an original research project at [[v:User:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency]], and soon to go to mainspace.

And to a colloquy on the project at:
[[Wikiversity:Colloquium#Research_Guidelines_for_the_new_Wiki_of_Government_Efficiency]]

Kind regards, [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, Jared. Not sure that it's in my future, but I appreciate the kind words and invitation. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== Dashiell Hammett ==

I see that you have added the index for The Dain Curse. Are you planning to do much work on that ? I am currently workung my way through Red Harvest, and will try to get on to The Dain Curse after that. I did [[Black Lives]] which was the first of the individual stories that were combined into The Dain Curse. I just need to get around to tidying up the image an initial letter. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not, no. Any effort you want to put into it would be greatly appreciated. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== The Magic Island ==

I take it that this a volume you're keen to work on? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Not particluarly. I just uploaded the PDF to Commons, so I happened to notice when someone made the index, etc. I'm happy to patch up some bits and do a few pages, but I don't anticipate putting forth a lot of time on this.&lt;ins&gt; That's why I gave a heads up to the two editors I saw working on the scan that the images had been cropped out, to empower them and collaborate more than take over or drive it.&lt;/ins&gt; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== mul:WS ==

We don't seem to have a page &quot;Help:mul Wikisource&quot; or anything similar.  Would you be willing to write up something in broad strokes explaining what it is, about what it hosts, moving things there, and possible points of contact, etc., so that we could refer people to it? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Of course. Good idea. Thanks for asking. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::Having the page will be very useful.  Thanks for getting it started. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for having the idea; Teamwork makes the dream work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Image alts for Gay-Neck  ==

If you'd like to add &quot;alt=&quot;, the complete set of images are located at [[:commons:Category:Gay-Neck, the Story of a Pigeon]], and all have been added to the work.  The illuminated initial letters all have alt values already, so that the text will display, but the other images may lack them.  Each filename includes the page number where it appears within the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Can do. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

For illuminated initials, I would this [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Gay-Neck,_the_story_of_a_pigeon_1927_(IA_gayneckstoryofpi00muke).djvu/19&amp;curid=4763881&amp;diff=14977400&amp;oldid=14929455 this version] would be ''less'' helpful to readers.  Since, if they have images deactivated for reading, they will read:

: A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.

Which will not be a good way to start reading the chapter. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:They may have images deactived or otherwise not able to view them for a variety of reasons. What if someone is blind? Or has bandwidth restrictions? The alt text provides contextual information that explains what someone who is seeing the image would get from it. If you want to change it, I agree that hearing out loud &quot;Tee he city of Calcutta...&quot; is maybe more clear than &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephant he city of Calcutta&quot;, but it makes for better alt text. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::If someone is blind or autistic, and is using text-to-speech, then it will read aloud: &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Which again, is ''less'' helpful than hearing simply &quot;The city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Text-to speech should connect T-he correctly because there is no space. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not familiar with the relationship between autism and screen-readers, so I can't speak to that and I'm only a little more knowledgeable on the blind. If you want to revert or otherwise change the alt text on those decorative first letters, I wouldn't object. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I am going to revert on the initial letters.  If you think a strong case can be made for them, we can have a general discussion in the Scriptorium, but I think legibility of the text for users of text-to-speech is preferable to alt-descriptions of illuminations that impede understanding. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Is [[Index:The Prophet - Gibran - 1923.djvu]] not a duplicate of [[Index:Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet (1926 edition, Knopf).pdf]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, no clue why someone else made that index, especially since the DJVu is not an original printing, but one from at least 1934. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Inductiveload}}, why does this index exist? Is there a reason to have this scan transcribed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::So, OK to delete the DjVu Index and pages as redundant?  Note that Inductiveload has not edited here for nearly two years. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I guess. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== CSS problems ==

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, unless user subpages don't take index.css, or styles.css.

Also, I don't know if I need to use [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox/index.css]] or Sandbox/styles.css, so I made both, but neither seems to have any effect. I've tried a few simple code modifications, but to no avail. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Xaxafrad}} can you explain more what you're trying to do? What is it you want to have happen in your browser? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::I want to add the dots in this [[Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/7|table of contents]]. I have my [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox|sandbox]] set up to test out the changes (and they're really close), as I want to move from a handwritten table to the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{TOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template family. There's an expanded TOC starting on [[Page:The Urantia Book, 1st Edition.djvu/13|this page]], which I hadn't even seriously considered the logistics of upgrading until now...and which might be covered by the existing templates without modification. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 00:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, I spent a couple of hours at it and got nothing useful. I think I've met my match. Sorry. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for giving it a shot. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 08:40, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;:/&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::Thanks for being so diligent yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== What? ==

{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why in the world would you block me? For [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this]? Validating the page ''you'' proofread? What is wrong with the edit?

{{tl|unblock|no reason to be blocked in the first place, admin abusing tools and not paying attention.}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Explained above, and in the original edit comment.  In future, please do not deliberately break the formatting of pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::What is broken in that edit? Those two revs display exactly identically. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::See https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122674 and https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678
:::What is &quot;broken&quot; formatting here? {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::The biggest break is (1) the '''central divide''' is the wrong height, and the wrong width.
::::The fact that a change displays correctly on your computer is never a guarantee that it will work on other people's computers.  Please listen when other editors tell you something is wrong, instead of insisting that you are right.
::::You also:
::::(2) '''misused the running header''' template, while applying a completely unnecessary div tag, all to avoid using an explicit table, in favor of a running header (''which is also a table'') for no apparent reason.
::::We have previously discussed that style changes are a matter a precedence, in which you should defer to the original editor, and not force through your own preferences. 
::::You misused a template, and broke the formatting.  None of the other changes you made were necessary, but all were style choices.  All of these things are considered inappropriate on Wikisource, and you have been here long enough to be aware of this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::With regard to your edit comment question: &quot;why on Earth would you remove validation {{...}} ?&quot;
::::When you made the multiple changes in the same edit as validation, your validation is then continent on having those edits take effect.  Reversing the edits to correct problems on the page means also reversing the validation.  To keep the validation while undoing the edits would be inappropriate.
::::With regard to closing &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags, the self-closing aspect is being dropped in the latest version of HTML.  XHTML is now obsolete, and there is zero benefit to retaining obsolete markup, which was replaced by the HTML Living Standard.  See [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element this page] for the current standard for the tag. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:59, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You are again playing games. You blocked me after an edit that was not made to the material at the bottom of the page. As I have already asked you multiple times, you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122678 this inappropriate rollback] to undo [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page, which renders identically to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page. I am asking you one more time: what is &quot;broken&quot; about my last revision to that page, which you blocked me for and for which you abused rollback? All of the other issues can be discussed ''after'' you answer the question you are making me ask repeatedly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The fact that you made additional edits between the time that I discovered your revert, in order to check the Wikisource blocking policy, and then blocked you, is immaterial.  I have explained what action led to you being blocked.  I have also given a detailed response above to multiple questions you have asked both here and in your edit summaries.
::::::I have explained at [[WS:AN]] that I did not intend to rollback.  There is an unfortunate fact that in the side-by-side edit comparison window both undo and rollback at at almost the same location.  And with rollback, there is never a dialogue box to confirm to avoid a mis-click.  I apologize for accidentally hitting rollback instead of undo. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::It's not clear to me why you even undid/accidentally-misclick-rollbacked the last edit ''at all''. How is the library better for ''removing'' a link to the translator, as our documentation recommends we insert? Maybe someone could consider that vandalizing the library by making it worse?
:::::::In MediaWiki, &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; is converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt;, so adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; creates more work for the servers, which maybe someone could consider vandalism, since it puts further strain on the library to function properly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you have evidence for your claim about the break tag, and that it is a concern, then please provide that evidence. I am going by the current Living Standard for HTML from the official website for that standard, and by what User:Xover has told me about the functioning of MediWiki. I used to include the closing slash myself in the br-tag, but changed my editing because a skilled coder and admin here recommended that I change my editing practices and provided the necessary evidence.
::::::::In return, please explain how inserting a template {{tl|br}} (which you created) reduces the work servers must do when all it does is create a line break. Template calls increase the work the servers do, so if that is your motivating concern, then the template should not be used.
::::::::If you could please point me to the place where it is recommended to link to a translator in the body of a title page, when that link is already in the header, please provide it.  Then explain why you are not adding such links on the title pages of the works you have transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Per [[:w:en:Help:Line-break_handling]]:
::::::::::The MediaWiki software uses any of them for a single forced line break. All of them are converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; in the HTML that browsers read.
:::::::::You can confirm this by viewing the source of a page.
:::::::::[[Wikisource:Wikilinks]] encourages internal links in pages. Not only does local documentation encourage internal links, it encourages [[Wikisource:Red link guidelines|red links]] and says that those should not be removed:
::::::::::A red link that links to a work, author or other page that could be added in the future should be left alone if that page cannot be created in the present.
:::::::::So unless you think that only redlinks shouldn't be removed and that blue links ''should be''...?
:::::::::As for why I don't do it: I'm not obliged to do it, but I'm also not ''actively removing'' links that someone else adds. Those are two different things. So again, why did you undo what I did in my most recent edit to that page? Since the two render identically and you just remove a link that should be there, what benefit is there to anyone for the rollback you did? How is the library better off for that edit? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:09, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I acknowledge what [[w:en:Help:Line-break_handling:]] says about conversion, but I do not see any evidence about creating more work for the servers.  Nor do I know that the advice on the page is current; it is not unusual for advice on pages to become out of date.  I also did not receive a reply from you about the {{tl|br}} template.  This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.
::::::::::Issues about red links do not apply here; you did not add a red link.  Nor does the passage you reference advise linking to the translator, but the section above on &quot;Unintended emphasis&quot; does apply here, as putting the name of the translator in the center of a page into a different color from the rest of the test on the page gives that link unintended emphasis. Such emphasis is ''dis''couraged. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::&quot;This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.&quot; I have asked you the same question repeatedly and you have ignored it repeatedly. Interesting that you point out this here. Using native MediaWiki is better than raw HTML when possible because it's easier for editors to understand and use. Once more: &quot;How is the library better off for that edit?&quot; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::So, you are claiming that {{tl|br}} is &quot;easier for editors to understand and use&quot; than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; on what basis?  This is dodging the question by making an unsupported claim.
::::::::::::I assume that (although you did not respond) that you agree with the principal of unintended emphasis. Thus, removing unintended emphasis, aside from the simpler syntax of the br tag, and elimination of a superfluous set of template calls, makes the library better.  This was implied in my previous message, but I make that explicit now for you. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't dodge your question: I answered it. ''That'' is the reason why I did what I did. You asked me to support a claim that I didn't make (which you phrased as a command, not a question) and then you get upset at the justification for something I never wrote. It's just weird behavior. Why does it take asking the same question six times over the course of a day to get a straight answer from you? Why is it you don't just admit that you abused rollback? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

===Block===

Reverting edits to forms which you have been told are not displaying correctly is vandalism.  You have deliberately made a page break.  You have been blocked for three days.  Please do not deliberately break formatting in future. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Details at [[WS:AN#User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:You are being deceptive [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122695 here], as you blocked me after a ''different'' rev which ''did not do what you claim''. You also abused rollback ''again'' after doing so [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;oldid=14465397#Misuse_of_rollback_by_an_admin months ago]. See above for my question which is about the purported broken formatting. {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Please do not accuse others of deception.  You yourself have just moved this section below your &quot;What?&quot; section, despite the fact that it originally appeared as a separate section above it.  That has the appearance of deception, but I would not make the accusation because it is also possible that you did not mean to be deceptive, but were simply combining the previous section into this one.  If you wish to discuss the disputed content, I am willing to do that in a separate thread.  This thread was started concerning your block, not about page content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I would like you to answer the question that I asked you instead of ignoring it. This is inappropriate. My above question is about your incorrect claim that there is broken formatting. I want you to substantiate it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I have been writing my response.  You respond very quickly.  Please show more patience. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

*[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]: In light of the above, I [[Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Koavf_deliberately_breaking_page_format|have called]] for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]]. As you cannot comment there, I would like to ask here whether or not you support such a vote. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Yes, I do. I was going to post to the admin's noticeboard anyway for EP's repeated abuse of rollback and blocking, not long after he was admonished for abusing them in similar circumstances. Tools like rollback and blocking require better judgement than that shown. That's in addition to a general attitude that is not becoming of an admin in other areas which I think warrants discussion. Thanks for being considerate enough to ask. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:: Admin behaviour is under discussion, and I left a note for you at AN, but I would like to remind you that technical stuff is complicated. There is no need for deception, for two people to see different things. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:::Sure. What I think happened was he wasn't paying any attention to my edits, abused rollback to undo a whole host of changes that he had no objection to, and blocked me preemptively and now that I've asked him repeatedly why he did that and what the purported problems were with my last edit, he's ignored the question so that he won't have to actually say &quot;I just abused rollback in a personal content dispute and instead of posting to talk or even protecting the page, I blocked you and then stonewalled on why&quot;, but I could be wrong. He has since claimed that he didn't even know he used rollback, which is its own kind of concern, but you are correct that he could actually just be confused and not paying attention instead of actively dissimulating. I have just seen this before when EP does something inscrutable and inappropriate and then feigns ignorance of what is happening or just refuses to explain his own behavior and why he did what he did, so it strains credulity that his explanations are legitimate and that he didn't just do what I supposed. He has done this before where he just deflects answering the simplest question, keeps on harassing me about nonsense, and then goes on about his day, occasionally coming back to my talk page to post more tangential nonsense and never answering the question that was asked, so I am personally tired of that inappropriateness. Your mileage may vary. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*::::fark you [[User:Fark BsAadowski|Fark BsAadowski]] ([[User talk:Fark BsAadowski|talk]]) 02:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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&lt;div style=&quot;border:solid 1px tan; background:antiquewhite; color:#202122; padding:3px;&quot;&gt;Hello, Koavf, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. 

Please take a glance at our [[Help:Contents|help pages]] (especially [[Help:Adding texts|Adding texts]] and [[Wikisource:Style guide|Wikisource's style guide]]). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the ''[[Wikisource:Scriptorium|Scriptorium]]''. 

The [[Wikisource:Community Portal|Community Portal]] lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. &lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] &lt;sup&gt;'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Nominations for deletion ==

If you use {{tl|delete}}, you have to make an entry on the deletions page, as I did [http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=2084463 here]. If you think that it should be a speedy deletion, use {{tl|sdelete}}.--[[User:Longfellow|Longfellow]] ([[User talk:Longfellow|talk]]) 12:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Repeat of above request ==

Hi, adding {{tl|delete}} means that you need to log a proposal at [[WS:DEL|Proposed deletions]] explaining why there's a problem. If however you mean that the article/category/page meets one of the [[WS:CSD|speedy deletion criteria]], then please use {{tlx|sdelete|reason}}. It makes it easier to understand what you mean. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 03:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== We already use HotCat from Commons ==

Just so that you are aware, we already utilise the HotCat from Commons in our gadgets, and directly so it updates. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:'''Ah''' Good to know. Thanks. I didn't know where it was localized, etc.--I just looked in [[Special:Preferences]] and if the gadget wasn't there, I imported it from Commons. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::It is there, along with a few others (though it does need a tidy), and we look to &lt;s&gt;steal&lt;/s&gt; use others' gadgets wherever possible.  If you do have any suggestions for better sorting or explaining our gadgets, then that feedback would be most welcome. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::'''Huh''' I don't see it at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]... As you can tell from my [[Special:CentralAuth/Koavf|contribs]], talk, page, etc. I'm not that accustomed to how things work on en.ws, but I've always wanted to be a productive member here: it's a really great idea and resource. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Third from top.  I have just prepended it with HotCat, as presumably the label may attract those specifically looking for it.  Re partipication, if we know your poison, then surely someone can suggest a work.  An easier place to start is [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] where we usually take a work from scratch through to completion (if we can).  As it is active, it is a great way to see how others edit, and see where they have good shortcuts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::'''Thanks''' Added. I've always thought it bizarre that there aren't vast digital archives that have been imported here: legal documents, patents, public domain literature, etc. It seems like there must be databases upon databases out there to be scripted over to here--is there something obvious that I'm missing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::The purpose that we have is to look to bring verifiable text.  In earlier days, lots of texts have come gutenberg, verified by them, though still not perfect, and without images.  They can still come over, but numbers alone isn't the focus of many.  We have been bringing works in what we believe is a more structured means and we are looking to a more validated format.  Image to Commons, then [[Help:proofread|proofread]] and validated from the image.  We have also looked to do other sorts of works, [[DNB]], [[PSM]], often which can be used in support of WP articles; extracting quality images, store at Commons, display in the works, but to also have available across WMF. There is plenty more there, it probably is more quietly appearing.&lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
'''Sources''' I may be dense, but it seems like (e.g.) several governments will have reliably proofread texts stored electronically that could be ported over here with relative easy and automation. At the very least, you could store them in some tracking category like, [[:Category:Texts ported from the State of Alabama which need proofreading]] and readers could still find these texts useful. Again, I guess I'm just so ignorant that I'm asking bad questions. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:Yep, I was more focusing my comments on older works, those that are not currently online / readily available.  Some consider that those works that you identified that are permanently online, then sometimes there is less value on importing them, especially with the variety of licences that can apply to them.  Usually we can just as readily link to them from pages, we don't require the works to be housed locally to be part of the library, one could build an Author (person) page with offsite links, or a Portal (organisational authors) page to the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
::'''Library''' I suppose I still need to read up on what Wikisource's actual scope is, because I had a different impression about what it actually could or should do. If I understand you correctly, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed, honestly. (Although please don't take that as a slight against the hard work that I'm sure you and several other contributors put into this project.) —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:22, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] and [[Wikisource:For Wikipedians]].  I am '''not''' talking what we may, could or should be. I am talking where I see where we are as an evolved volunteer library that has limited resources, so more where we are in the journey. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== multiple blank lines ==

You don't need to use &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; over and over to create multiple blank lines. Just use multiple returns to insert blank lines directly. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. As you can see from my contribs, I'm getting the hang of ProofRead. Much appreciated! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Dates in diambiguation situations ==

Hi,

In light of some of your moves in the Author namespace, I ask you to please follow [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Author_pages|existing guidlines (#5)]] and refrain from using anything other than a plain old dash when it comes to an Author's basepage title that has any form of &quot;date&quot; in it. example...
* John Smith (1878-1956) - ''OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content''
* John Smith (1878–1956) - '''''NOT''' OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content. OK as a redirect to the main page however''
..... thanks -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Original Stories from Real Life]] ==

{| style=&quot;border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}}; color:{{{foreground|#202122}}};&quot;
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; | [[File:Memorial Day commemorated in Luxembourg 100529-F-3074W-590.jpg|111px]]
|rowspan=&quot;2&quot; |
|style=&quot;font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;&quot; | '''The Honour Guard Award'''
|-
|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | For your outstanding and very welcome work on [[Original Stories from Real Life]]. --[[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
|}

I want you to know that this is the first time that I know of that any sort of attempt to do something in the honor of an editor who has, for whatever reason, left the project, and it is very very encouraging to see someone willing to spend the effort to do so. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

:Also, when the chaptering gets done, it might be worth while asking if a memorial template can be placed in a comparatively prominent place somewhere on the index page, index talk page, and/or on one or more of the relevant wikipedia talk pages. Considering I am blocked from editing in wikipedia till pretty much the end of the month, I have a feeling that if anything at wikipedia itself is to be done you are probably the man to do it. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 02:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::For whatever reason, don't ask me why, the final page isn't allowing me to validate it, I think because I made some changes to it. Maybe we can get someone else to do it? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== May I ask why [[special:diff/prev/5992092|this change?]] ==

If you are ''really'' sure then restore; but without explanation I will remain mystified... [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AuFCL}} Wow, that was weird. You are right and I am wrong--somehow, I saw that as being up one level higher in the hierarchy than it should have been. Sorry. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::Oh well; just glad the insanity wasn't mine—this time at least! [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== Please stop moving author pages ==

You are moving author pages against the policy of naming. Please stop. This is not enWP. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Look at my contribs: I'm moving them all back now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, though I am not sure how you thought that it was a great idea in the first place to start moving so many pages?  Did you think that we didn't know what we were doing? Stop to think to ask?  One too many new year drinks bring on some bravery? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} I'll just chalk that up to you being wound up. Thanks and have a good new year. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Nobody's perfect. Did you notice how you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AWilliam_Harvey_%281578-1657%29&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=6429448&amp;oldid=6106004 edited this author page] when it had an ndash? I've since [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:John_Wilson_(1785-1854)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591414 moved] all of the [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:William_Harvey_(1578-1657)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591416 ndash pages] to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Frederick_II_(1194-1250)&amp;action=history hyphens] (in spite of them being ungrammatical). If we work together, we can make things better--you don't need to talk down to me nor act put out when I was fixing my own mistakes and adding {{tl|no works}} to several pages, making them demonstrably better. I'm sure you know that I'm on balance an asset to the WMF projects, including this one. So are you. Onwards and upwards? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Titles on pages are not about grammar, that is about style. Grammar would be how they are used within a work, and you will see that we use an endash within the display of the template. The reason for why are is in the archives, and you would need to go back about 8 to 9 years. I wasn't trying to talk down to you, but it was pretty hard to comprehend how or why an experienced editor would be doing it, and their missing key indicators, when they were doing it. Of course we can work together. It looks all cleared up. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Oldwikisource-&gt;Mul ==

Check my recent contributions, In a bold move I've &quot;updated&quot; as many as interwikis as I felt able to. 

I've excluded some for technical reasons, associated Talk namespaces, User and Page namespace.  The use of oldwikisource in Page namespace seems to be ALL in a single work though, and could probably be updated with AWB very quickly..

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&amp;limit=500&amp;offset=0&amp;ns104=1&amp;search=insource%3A%2Foldwikisource%2Fi&amp;searchToken=69rsvrtej83wiexy2sn92xl49

Currently mul and oldwikisource interwiki prefix link to the same thing ?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Yes, [[s:mul:]] and [[s:OldWikisource:]] go to the same place. I could pull up the [[phab:]] tickets if you needed but I don't have them handy at the moment. Thanks for that--I think that we should really discourage the use of any non-ISO title and the sooner we switch them, the better. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW: [[Special:Interwiki]] gives a local view and confirms Koavf's note above.

== Categories for people ==

We no longer use categories for people on en-Wikisource to organize their works. Author pages fulfill this function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. Can you point me to a guideline? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Probably not, as many of our guidelines are unwritten or uncodified. But please point me to a category for any other President of the US or any other person. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't know any. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

::[[Help:Categorization]] seems to be the closest we've come to stating a guideline on this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Your block ==

User:Beeswaxcandle deleted that list, and explained why. Wikisource actively discourages the addition of material that is clearly not in PD. You have repeatedly recreated the list in various locations despite this fact, and in direct violation of what Wikisource is about. For this you have been blocked. Please do not encourage the addition of non-PD materials to Wikisource in future, or you will be blocked for a longer period. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I in no way encouraged the addition of non-free material--I added a disclaimer to the page for just that reason. Many author pages include lists of material that we host and do not host (sometimes outbound linking to other sites that do); why is this one any different? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Also, I am in the middle of doing several edits which are inarguably within policy and helpful. Please unblock me so that I can continue. Blocking without any warning especially while I'm in the midst of doing something useful is pointless. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I sorry that you do not understand how damaging it is to Wikisource to promote the addition of non-PD materials. I am sorry you do not understand why it is a bad idea to push over the actions of two different admins who explained the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I understand the scope of Wikisource hosting material that is free or not (not sure why you are exclusively referring to PD as we host many types of material which are not in the US public domain). Again, there is evidently not policy on listing works by an author but either way, I'm not interested in fighting about this. Please unblock me so that I can continue working on other issues. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You chose to fight the actions of two different admins, so claiming that you are not interested in fighting about this is disingenuous. You may continue working when the block expires. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It's not disingenuous at all, Pete. I tried a different approach each time, hoping that would be amenable. It's not like I did the same thing over and over again just hoping no one would notice--I tried to do something that would be workable for everyone. Instead of having a discussion about it, you went to block me. If you were to unblock me, I would go about my business doing other things here than this. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::Personally, I don't like seeing trusted users blocked, especially without notice, it is a very high standard to set. I also don't like users gallivanting on their merry way without reference to the community, especially when they have been undone. Good communication, tolerance, and approaching consensus from the softer side are always important. Can we please remove the block. Can we please have community members discuss their actions prior to making them a rod for all our backs, or hoisting us on to our own petards. If it looks bleeding obvious, yet it isn't urgent, and hasn't been done, asking about it may take a little longer, but at a community of this intermediate size, with leading protagonists, asking, piloting, testing, asking, has been proved to be effective. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Thanks. For what it's worth, I basically have work to do here daily. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Jr / Sr ==

Re: &quot;Jr is necessary as his father is notable as well&quot;. The issue on Wikisource is never just that of &quot;notability&quot;, but whether or not the other person '''published''' anything. I do not know in this case whether it will make any difference, but just want to make the reasoning clear to you. The issues on Wikisource are not the same as those on Wikipedia.

Also, please note that the document you are using to justify all of these Author page moves is an &quot;Essay&quot;, and has never been adopted as a Policy or as a Guideline by Wikisource. It is possible that some editors might take issue with certain moves to full names, although I have not seen any yet of that sort myself. Names like &quot;T. S. Eliot&quot; and &quot;Virginia Woolf&quot; in particular probably ought to have a discussion if they are to be moved. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What I mean as &quot;notable&quot; is not necessarily the sense of Wikipedia or Wikidata but yes, someone who may have produced a document/text/speech which could reasonably be reproduced here. You are mistaken about my justification: I am referring to the [[Help:Author_pages#Page_name|help documentation]] which says to not include titles and to include full names (except in instances of famous pseudonyms). Is there something I'm missing here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::I am not mistaken. You have linked to [[Wikisource:Author names]] in some of your edit summaries as justification. That page is tagged as an &quot;Essay&quot;. And as the Help page notes: sometimes a particular form of an author's name is used as if it were a pseudonym (T. S. Eliot, Virginia Woolf) and under those situations the better known pseudonym may be preferred. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

::Your move of [[Author:Abraham ibn Ezra]] to [[Author:Abraham ben Meir Ibn Ezra]] is the only one I saw that would might be considered objectionable (I've moved it back). Medieval Europe did not have a fixed system of naming as we as used to having today. Rather, individuals had a given name, but were recorded with whatever description might be needed as circumstances called for it. So, for example, Leonardo da Vinci (&quot;Leonardo, from Vinci&quot;) was usually enough to tell you ''which'' Leonardo someone was talking about, even though &quot;da Vinci&quot; was not actually part of his name. His &quot;full name&quot; was simply &quot;Leonardo&quot;. When treating with names before about 1500, the issue is more often: &quot;Which form of the name is used most often in modern scholarship?&quot; than &quot;What is the ''full'' name?&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} For names in the form &quot;de/du/d' [Place]&quot; I've left them if the person's name is too simple but moved them if the name is otherwise complete. In the case of &quot;Galileo Galilei&quot; or &quot;Leonardo da Vinci&quot; the Italian custom would be important to leave to those appellations so we can understand who it is supposed to be--similar to royalty. Of course, Anglo-style names from recent centuries are a lot easier for me to parse. I skipped a lot of Arabic names, ancient Greek ones, etc. If you see anything else that seems off-track, let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--that linked user essay gives examples like [[Author:James Matthew Barrie]] and doesn't call &quot;J.M.&quot; a pseudonym. If anything, that is an example consistent with the help documentation... Not sure what you're suggesting here nor what these examples are supposed to mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::: That's part of the problem. Some choices (like J. M. Barrie) are equivocal. The linked user Essay gives examples both ways without settling on one choice over the other, and does not use the best examples to explain the options. That Essay should not be used as a guide to make decisions about pagenames because it is a drafted (and abandoned) Essay that was crafted mostly by a single individual, and is not a Guideline or Policy. Help pages are likewise NOT guidelines or policies. That's my point: You're making lots of page moves based on a few sentences in a Help page and an Essay. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Barring any guideline or policy (of which there are only a handful anyway), then we may as well have something consistent and something that matches what we tell new users, right? If in 15 years there hasn't actually been some traction on formalizing a single standard across the project, that's unfortunate but on the one hand, it certainly leaves no reason to ''not'' make them consistent and on the other, we do have something written somewhere that prefers full names. Additionally, pages are routinely moved or created by others at full names and a page move based on a full name has passed by the Scriptorium recently without objection. In principle, it seems pretty clear that this is what is generally the case for many high-profile pages anyway. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] ==

Hey there, I came across [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] that you’ve added recently, but I’m not quite sure it complies to the guidelines for inclusion at Wikisource. I wanted to touch base with you before nominating it for deletion in case I’m missing something. 

As far as I can tell it’s a self published article, Medium is a blogging platform where anybody can just post something. They do have magazines, which can offer curated content, but in this case &quot;Humane Tech&quot; seems to be a magazine ran by Anil Dash himself. Do you know if it was published anywhere else that has peer-review or editorial controls? [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 09:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Marjoleinkl}} Medium is something like a self-publishing platform but some sub-sections of the site have an editorial policy. I have seen it commented on in other sites which have some professional editorial standards (e.g. [https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-28-february-2017 O'Reilly] or [https://boingboing.net/2017/02/28/silicon-ponzi.html BoingBoing]) but it was neither originally published there nor has it been reproduced elsewhere as far as I can tall. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::: Thanks for your reply. It’s a really recent text, it might get picked up more later. Right now it is unfortunately in a subsection that was editorialized by Anil Dash himself, which means it would solely self published and makes me lean towards requesting deletion. I’ll give it a few more days to see if it pops up anywhere else. It’s an interesting read for sure  [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 12:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== author pages for modern authors ==

For someone like [[Author:Alexandre J. M. E. Christoyannopoulos]] we would not normally create such an author page as the works  won't be in the public domain or freely available. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} But his will be, as he's an anarchist and makes it a point to publish openly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Koavf}} making us guess that is not overt information — a note on talk page would have helped. If he has works available already, then feel free to link to them externally now, works are preferred though not required to be local. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} There ''are'' works linked on his page now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== Why do you do seemingly pointless editing, and without community consultation? ==

What is the purpose or benefit of italicising all the PSM subheadings? eg. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Spencer_Walpole&amp;curid=499559&amp;diff=7041919&amp;oldid=6440788] We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions. If you are looking to undertake a large scale change like that it really should be put before the community for discussion so we can look at author pages holistically, and we all decide what is best. This has been mentioned to you before about unilateral actions, so how about they stop. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I saw something to fix, so I fixed it. The substantial majority of the headings were not italicized but some were—surely, it's not ''preferable'' for them to be inconsistent. I like well-formatted text and on an archival/library project, that's particularly important (e.g. look at all the myriad [[:Category:TOC_templates|templates we have for formatting tables of contents]]!) I am not seeing what you're going for here: are you suggesting that periodicals ''shouldn't'' be italicized (i.e. that this is controversial somehow and I should have elicited feedback from others because this is too potentially &lt;del&gt;inflammatory&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;contentious&lt;/ins&gt;) or that you want ''more'' periodicals italicized (i.e. that it is a task that will require others' intervention as well, so mentioning it at the Scriptorium will ensure that it's done more uniformly)? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
::I just looked thru your history... &quot;We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions&quot; literally the last page you edited before you came here was [[Author:William Samuel Lilly]] which had two such subdivisions... —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Style guide and quotation marks ==

Hi. Please read the guidance on quotation marks in [[Wikisource:Style guide]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Template:A ==

This is superfluous. We already have {{tl|al}} (author link). Wikisource discourages the proliferation of superfluous templates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I certainly have no objection to deleting any of them but if anything, why not {{tl|a}} over {{tl|al}}, since it's easier to type? Plus, since redirects are cheap, I don't really see the incentive to deleting any of them unless you think that something else will plausibly be named {{tl|a}}. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--what?! Why did you block me? What in the world? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:As I said before. '''DO NOT RECREATE COMMUNITY DELETED CONTENT'''. When it has been deleted again, and you have been asked ''not'' to create superfluous content, do not then recreate it again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Right--I didn't. Originally, I made a template, then I made a redirect. Is there some policy against that? What are you thinking? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Originally you made a template that did what a ''previously deleted template did''. Then you created it again as a redirect ''to do exactly what the deleted content did''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Billinghurst}} It looks like Petey just left. Can you please review this? This is outrageous to me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::The block may be outrageous, but so are the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:A|number of templates beginning with the letter A]] that equally qualify as those to which {{tl|a}} could redirect, and thus should not be wholly dismissed in favor of this one. If you really want to use this for author links, just ask on the Scriptorium again and find some agreement first. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 07:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Mahir256}} Yeah, that's fine. There's no reason to block me under a false pretense that I recreated deleted content. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::It's not a false pretense. The template was deleted before, and when you created it, you would have seen a warning that you were recreating deleted content. Then after it was deleted and you were warned directly, you created the redirect to do exactly what had already been deleted twice before. In future, do not simply disregard such warnings. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Well, that's BS as I didn't recreated anything deleted. Creating something else with the same name is not the same thing--I am ashamed for you for being so rude and aggressive instead of (e.g.) deleting the redirect and posting to my talk, which is a simple thing to do (e.g. the two other persons who did so). Why you think that is the correct choice is beyond me and I think you made a stupid and bad decision that was pointless. I feel bad for others you interact with if this is how you think you should be an admin when interacting with good faith users. You already drove me away from adding a lot of content in the first place form your first bad and unjustified block, so I don't know why you make it a point to try to be hostile to me since I add value to the project. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I wouldn't have blocked you, though you do undertake actions rather casually and without reference to the style guide and practice that you know well exists, then to repeat that action does send an interesting challenge. Creating a shortcut redirect for one letter based on your preference is not helpful; especially when we have so many templates for the character &quot;a&quot; and its variations. I hate some of our shortcut templates as they lack intuitiveness for new users &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh}} {{hws}} {{hwe}} {{hi}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are painful. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;''
* {{comment}} We also have to consider that many of the single-letter templates have different meanings on other projects. We do still get transwikied pages here, and for shorter template names, there is a higher likelihood that a template from one project will be interpreted quite differently here. There are usually good reasons behind deletions made by the community, and usually good reasons why we don't have more template redirects. It is always better to ask ''before'' making a change, rather than ''after''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== Engine ==

You've had this explained to you more than once. Do not force yourself into being blocked again. Start a discussion if you think the Wikisource Community should change. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What in the world are you doing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::Undoing your tagging of Featured Works. If you don't understand I'm sorry we weren't clear: 
::* DO NOT TAG EVERY WORK ON WIKISOURCE WITH {{tl|engine}}.
::* DO NOT ALTER FEATURED TEXTS.
::I'm sorry if you're just not able to understand, but you will not be told again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't be an ass to me. Why should ''[[The Writings of St. Francis of Assisi]]'' &lt;ins&gt;or ''[[A Simplified Grammar of the Swedish Language]]''&lt;/ins&gt; be unsearchable? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::See above comment. And please stop pinging me. I'll consider it harassment if you continue.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: How is that relevant? See what I wrote above: you can stop being an ass and be a decent person instead. You lack simple judgement and even the most basic courtesy sometimes. How about you take a moment to either come up with a coherent response or just stop harassing me altogether if you can't be civil? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: See above comment. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Please go away now--you are being harassing and rude. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:15, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== Mixing category trees ==

Please do not mix the Author category trees with Subject category trees. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== Bot accounts for bot edits ==

Hi.  Please don't flood RC with rapid edits.  If you need to do such things, then please get a bot account, or organise with a bureaucrat to have a temporary assignation of a flood right. Thanks. Not certain why this conversation needs to occur with an experienced editor. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} What do you have in mind? &gt;3 edits/min? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Not sure if you saw the above. If you have a rough time estimate, that will let me know how to 1.) throttle or 2.) request the flood flag. I'm guessing something like three to six a minute. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

== Works about ==

House style is to complete this phrase in the section header for Author pages, usually with the person's surname as in &quot;Works about Brown&quot;, rather than leaving the phrase uncompleted as &quot;Works about&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Nice. Very helpful. Is this documented and I missed it? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
::See [[Help:Author pages#Works about the author]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Are we recreating this from scratch, or undeleting the edit history?

Note: Technically there are still 7 hours to go until 2019 as far as the WM servers in San Francisco are concerned. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I can't undelete, so I am recreating. I have several scans to use (see Commons) and illustrations to add still. Was the previous version from a scan or raw text? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:: Raw text. As an admin, I can undelete. But the question is whether we should do so. If you're going to work from a scan in the immediate future, then there's little point in undeleting the copy-paste edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Agreed--I don't see any value in it since it (should be???) would be identical. I'm adding illustrations from the scans and will probably do a proper index of the 1926 Knopf edition. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

:Having put the effort into the previously available works, I feel entitled to press you on this. Please create the content in the work space and transclude it when done. As with the earlier works, there is no shortage of shoddy versions of this elsewhere; we might as well do it properly. Doing this in the workspace (Page: and Index:) means you can do as little or as much as you like.  &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} I can't understand you. Can you reword this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry, try reading it again, &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} No thanks. It just seems like you're telling me to do what I'm already doing which seems like a waste. If you have new information, please let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::We shall see. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} Sure. Great talk. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Just stumbled across this exchange while mining for technical details in talk pages, wanted to say I love it - warms the heart to know I'm not the only person who...gets frustrated by talkpage messages here (and I've only been here a couple weeks! Though I'm not particularly taking sides in this dispute - just saying it's an amusing read) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Yeah, that's one way to put it. :/ Shalom/salaam/shlema yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Google to DjVu ==

Are you able to pull a Google Books (or Hathi Trust) PDF file and create a DjVu? There is one volume of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' that doesn't seem to exist on IA, but a reasonable copy created by Google exists on the Hathi Trust: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101803428]

If you have the capability to pull the PDF and generate a DjVu for Commons as [[:File:Henry VI Part 2 (1923) Yale.djvu]] it would be greatly appreciated. It's not ideal, but I cannot find a better scan.

If you cannot do this, then perhaps you know someone who might be able to do so? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Always happy to help. I can convert PDFs to DJVU, yes. I do not have a login for Hathi Trust, tho so I don't have access to the PDF original. Their site [https://www.hathitrust.org/help_digital_library#Download claims] that I don't need to be part of a member institution to download public domain works but I'm not seeing how to do this... Can you help me figure out how to get the PDF in the first place? Are you familiar with their site? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Forget it. I got it from Google Books. It will be uploaded momentarily. I assume that you'll do the work at Commons like you did with the last upload but please let me know if you need more from me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::: Setting up all the bibliographic info is a snap for me, so I can certainly do that, as long as you provide the link to the file's source. The ultimate goal is to make a full set of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' available, once all the volumes are in public domain. Xover has been transcribing the history plays, and ''2 Henry VI'' is the only one of those currently missing. Thanks again for taking on the task. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks for all the work you do here. https://books.google.com/books?id=t2BNAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PP7&amp;dq=The+second+part+of+King+Henry+the+Sixth+/+edited+by+Tucker+Brooke.&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwj0gN2axdXgAhXKop4KHZ5cC7IQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

There are two more Yale Shakespeare volume in PD that do not have IA scans, but are available at books.google. Could you please process/convert/upload these to Commons? These two will be the last in the series (at least for 2019).

: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}DA2uKrVaIPIC}} -&gt; [[:File:Shakespeare's Sonnets (1923) Yale.djvu]]
: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}3IAEAQAAIAAJ}} -&gt; [[:File:Romeo and Juliet (1917) Yale.djvu]]

As with previous volumes, I will happily take care of adding all the file data myself, if you can accomplish the uploads. Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} {{done}}. Can you please add categories as well? Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:: Certainly. Thanks again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== Peshitta ==

Following up on my WP message—I've put up [[Index:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu]] and made a start on his Gospel translation (beginning [[Page:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu/283|here]]). After uploading it I realised Barnes's Psalter only has a critical apparatus and no translation.

I also uploaded:
* &quot;[[:File:Fourth Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents.djvu|4 Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents]]&quot; by Barnes which has translations of the latter though not the Peshitta
* [[:File:Syriac New Testament (Murdock).djvu|Murdock's Syriac New Testament translation]]
* [[:File:Translation of the Syriac Peshito version of the Psalms of David.djvu|Oliver's Syriac Psalter translation]]

Transcribing the original and the public domain critical Syriac editions listed at [http://syri.ac/bible syri.ac], including Barnes's, on the multilingual WS might be a good longer-term project. —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]]) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== My Airships ==

Hi Koavf!! I just saw that you validated two pages from the [[Index:My Airships.djvu|My Airships]]. Could you help me with the following summaries/image list pages? Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 22:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Erick Soares3}} No, I can't--I don't have the time now. If you don't get anyone to help you for several days, you can try pinging me again but I don't want to commit to something and fail. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::Ok! Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 23:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

== Broken encoding of apostrophes in page titles ==

I found a workaround for [[phab:T178143]], thought you'd like to know. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 02:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beleg Tâl}} Thanks. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AG._R._O%27Reilly&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=9614841&amp;oldid=7047244 saw that you closed the ticket]. Very helpful. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

You stand in danger of being short-term blocked for edit warring on [[Template:Index transcluded/doc]]. Please desist—particularly over such a minor matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Do you have any perspective on what to do to break the impasse and make that page more accessible? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:: My perspective is simply that at least there is a documentation page for the template. I see it as unlikely that a vision-impaired person would be accessing it. Effort would be better dedicated to those templates that have no documentation page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 05:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Aromatics and the Soul: A Study of Smells]] and chapters ==

Can you please indicate why this has been transcluded as one solid page rather than as chapters into subpages, as would be usual with such works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} It wasn't that long of a work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

== Please don't unilaterally rename templates ==

Regarding [[Special:Diff/9822207|this move]]. Please do not unilaterally rename templates like this without discussion. If you find the template's name inconvenient the correct approach is to create a redirect for it at a more convenient name. In this case, the intended usage (and what the docs use in examples to encourage users to use that) is the alias {{tlx|rvh}}. The base template was named as it was because there is a semantic difference between a hyphen and an em-dash: the former denotes a range where the latter denotes a disjoint or contrast. The template isn't for &quot;recto ''to'' verso pages&quot;, it is for &quot;recto ''vs.'' verso pages&quot;. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Then the appropriate character would have been an ndash, not an emdash. But I left behind a redirect that someone else deleted. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::My apologies; I seem to have failed to communicate my point. Your position on typography and the capabilities of your keyboard are all fine arguments for a discussion, but not particularly germane here. Please do not rename templates without prior discussion, and even then there is usually no need to do so when a redirect can address the concern. Either use an existing alias (like {{tlx|rvh}}) or create a new one that suits. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Xover}} Is there a policy on template naming that I have missed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::Not that I am aware of, no. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Xover}} Thanks a lot for your input. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[The Story of Mankind]] ==

Do you get a sense of déja vu? And the reasoning for this work to not be set into chapters? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? and no reason. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
::Team player. :-( — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Man, I cannot understand you: can you please use your words and not be cryptic? I can't help you if you're not saying what you mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
==Changes at [[The Applicability of Weber's Law to Smell]]==
The edits to {{tl|header}} I made at the above page were made in accordance with the template documentation. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

== Speedy template ==

The speedy template is {{tlx|sdelete}} (and, no, nobody who works a lot on other projects remember that), and there's an alias at {{tlx|db}} (from the speedy reason codes at enWP) that might be easier to recall. For pages you created yourself, G7 (Author's request) is usually the best bet (no need for the admin to do a lot of thinking or assessing policy with that one), so just slap {{tlx|db|G7}} on there.

PS. I am guessing, of course, that that's what you intended on the redirect left after the page move on Grant's memoirs, and not {{tlx|delete}}, so I'll go nuke it presently. If I misunderstood then apologies for the interruption; and please let me know if you want it undeleted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Excellent. Thanks! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

== Annotated editions ==

Annotated editions should have the name with (Annotated) added to the end, and not be subpages within another copy. ==[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I know that, that's how I named the page--I didn't move it. I recommend you post this on the talk page of the person who moved it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I did, but posted here as well to ensure you were aware the conversation was happening. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Ah. That wasn't clear. I'm a big fan of {{tl|ping}}, so adding me to the conversation that way would make it much easier and more intelligible. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

==Watchlisting your talkpage==
Alright, first time I've ever watchlisted a talkpage but this one is therapeutic - I forget how I got here but I ended up reading nearly all of it. &quot;OMG, stop being bold and trying things if you don't have forms filled out in triplicate authorizing you to do something!&quot;, &amp;c. Anyways, it takes all types, and in the future I may become exasperated with you, or you with me, but in the meantime...keep adding works and plugging away on tidying up where you can :) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 11:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Thanks for the encouragement. I always add new texts on Public Domain Day (i.e. January 1), so Wikisource is on my mind in winter. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Source of New Yorker scan ==

Hi! Quick question: where did the New Yorker scan come from? I'd like to extract some images from the original scan, as the ones in the PDF are quite compressed. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Inductiveload}} Which one? Just issue 1, that I uploaded or the compilation of the rest of the year, which I have broken up into individual issues on Commons over the past couple of hours? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Well, I meant the first one, but knowing where they all come from would be good, I suppose. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::I found issue one somewhere on the Web; the other issues evidently came from a Google Books scan. I have reached out to the publication to try to get a hold of Erin Overbey but no one seems to care too much about helping get hi-quality scans. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Darn, thanks anyway. Could you ping me if decent scans turn up? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Inductiveload}} 100%. One solution would probably be buying a subscription to their archives but I'm not going to do that. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Template:Watch]] ==

Hi. When adding video, would you be so kind to wrap it in this template. And to note that we have [[template:listen]] for audio files. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I've used {{tl|listen}} (e.g. [[Optimism (Keller)]]) but not this one. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Remarks by President Biden in a CNN Town Hall with Anderson Cooper]] is CV ==

Hi. Cooper is not a federal government employee so we cannot include his works where he is co-author.  These interview type works have been decisions through CV, and if you think my deletion is incorrect then please use [[WS:CV]] to have that undeletion discussion. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

== sources and are they individual or subpages ==

Please would you add sources for these works [[special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]] per WS requirements.
{{special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet}}

Do you consider them individual documents, or are they more subpages of a parent work? To me it is conceivable that they are subpages. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} &quot;add sources for these works&quot;? What? Look at [[American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]]: it has a source. What ''doesn't'' have a source? This is a really confusing request to me. No, I don't consider them a single source only to the extent that they were all published with distinct URIs and none of them have ever been on one webpage or in one print document that I've seen. I could definitely see the contrary argument, tho. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Apologies, they weren't showing up as transcluded pages to me that has reset itself now. All good. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Eeveryone maeks misstakes. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cats &lt;= plain sister template ==

If you are linking a cat to WD, the adding {{tl|plain sister}} will pull in the interwikis. &quot;plain sister&quot; is the bit that does the work in the headers, though it is just hidden away. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 04:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
:Nice. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

== Portal:Yale Shakespeare ==

Please Stop. and Discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why would you remove accessibility features and make the site more hostile to the blind? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::  I am unaware of any &quot;accessibility features&quot; in your edit, but I do see the removal of sections, which prevents section editing.  I see the addition of complex tables to format ''temporary'' content.  Please explain why this page must be organized in tables in a way that makes it hard to read for the sighted, hard to edit, and why this format must be used on this Portal and no others? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::You need to stop: you're admitting your own ignorance about table semantics. If you don't know what a table caption is, you should ask or read about it ''before'' removing it. And captions should be used on ''all'' tables. Are you going to revert yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: Instead of answering my message, you've issued a command and belittled my intelligence.  That is not discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::You didn't answer my question and I didn't belittle your intelligence: I pointed out how you admit that you don't know what you're talking about. If you're ignorant, that's fine. Editing out of ignorance is not. If you want to learn more, see e.g. [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Proper_table_captions_and_summaries]]. Now please stop being rude and answer my questions. I suggest you revert yourself and stop abusing your user rights. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::: The page you have directed me to is a Wikipedia style page.  It does not explain accessibility, but states best practice according to Wikipedia's MoS.  If you believe that Wikisource should adopt this Wikipedia policy, then please propose it.  Wikipedia policies have no weight here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} No, you are incorrect: as that page explicitly states per WCAG guidelines: [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 data tables need captions] and this is a simple thing to do that provides high value for the blind. Did you read this page from the W3C or not? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: How could I have read the page ''before'' you asked me to do so?  I see nothing to support your assertion that captions must be used.  Also, this is not a data table, but a layout table, and the page you have pointed me to says &quot;If a table is used for layout, the caption element is not used.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It is not a layout table, it is a data table. And I directed you to the Wikipedia page ''which cites the WCAG''. You had every chance to read the sources that make it explicitly clear that you should use table captions. You also seem to not know what a data table is, so please revert yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: Wikipedia's policies have no bearing on Wikisource.  I read the WCAG page you pointed me to, and it does not support your assertions.  If there is a page that does support your assertions, please point to it and quote the portion that you believe supports your view.  I have been unable to find such justification.  You are again belittling my intelligence.  Please desist, or I will have to raise the issue of your personal attacks.  Such behavior is inappropriate.  The list on the Portal is ''not'' a data table, and the tables themselves are purely temporary.  As the works are verified the links are removed; and once an entire section has been completely (or almost completely) validated, the table formatting will be removed entirely.  The tables exist solely for layout and are purely temporary. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I never said that Wikipedia policies are incumbent upon Wikisource: please re-read what I wrote. See the bottom of [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 this page] which gives a simple flow chart for deciding when to use table captions: since this is a data table (not a layout table as you claimed) it needs a caption. See also the other citations at the page where I already directed you: &quot;Ensure table captions are provided explicitly&quot;. Accessibility Management Platform (AMP). San Francisco, California: SSB BART Group. 2015. &quot;Best Practices&quot; section. Retrieved 13 July 2015. GSA Schedule 70. Cites multiple standards besides WCAG, including: JIS X 8341-3: 2004 - Technical Standards Subpart 5; KWCAG; 47 CFR 14. Advanced Communication Services, §14.21 Performance Objectives; HHS HTML 508 Checklist; and US Telecommunications Act Accessibility Guidelines 1193.41–43.&quot; Note also that you keep on reverting to a [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Yale_Shakespeare&amp;oldid=11180521 version of the page] that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=2441 lacks header identification information for the column and row scopes] and that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=941 includes blank headers]. Your allegation that it isn't a data table is plainly false. I am not claiming that you are unintelligent but that you are simply ignorant: you don't know what you're talking about. If you keep on asserting that it isn't a data table when that is exactly what it is, I would have to assume that you're either uninformed or at some point, if you keep on saying it once you know better, you are lying. In neither case do I think you are unintelligent. As this ''is'' a data table and ''not'' a layout table as you have falsely claimed, please revert yourself and stop making edits that make our site more difficult for blind users. If you don't understand the distinction between a data and layout table, then I suggest that you please stop asserting that one is the other. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
: I read all pages that you pointed me to.  If the information was actually on some other page I should have read, then I didn't see it.  I read the pages you asked me to read.  You assume that because I disagree with you that I must be ignorant, lying, etc. The flowchart step 1 on the WCAG page you keep referring to states: &quot;determine whether the content has a relationship with other content in '''both''' its column and its row&quot; (emphasis added).  There are no vertical relationships in the table in question.  Each row is independent of the others, without relation, so the table fails to qualify as a data table.
: I also point out that in your second comment in this thread, you said &quot;captions should be used on ''all'' tables&quot;, but this is flatly refuted by the very page you pointed me to, which says that captions should ''not'' be used on layout tables.  If you would start by admitting you were in error, perhaps we could proceed? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Data tables are distinguished from tables used for the layout of a page. These are data tables. See, e.g. [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML/Tables/Advanced this guide from MDN] on how to use column and row scopes as well as captions for data tables (i.e. not tables that are incorrectly used for layout). [https://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/webd2/student/unit2/module5/lesson1.html Here] is another very basic example of a data table: each row shows information &quot;independent&quot; of the other rows but they are arranged in a tabular fashion: this is a data table and is obviously ''not'' a layout table. Since layout tables ''shouldn't exist at all'', then yes, I assumed that we would use proper semantics, best practices, and CSS for positioning elements, since that is its purpose. I suppose that if someone were incorrectly using a table for layout on Wikisource, then it shouldn't have a caption but it also shouldn't exist in the first place. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

== Re:Non-breaking spaces ==

I always remove non-breaking spaces because I can’t see the point of having them. What is the reason for their existence? --[[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 00:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kathleen.wright5}} They keep a phrase that should be on one line from wrapping around multiple lines. If you have:{{br}} &quot;He was ranked No.&amp;nbsp;3{{br}}in the world competition&quot;{{br}}that is better than{{Br}}&quot;He was ranked No.{{br}}3 in the world competition&quot;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

== Annotated works at Wikibooks ==

Hi, I am quite excited to see your work at WB, [[b:Annotations_to_The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I’m really interested in doing Annotated copies of WS books and have been trying to get an idea of how it might work. I’ve had a go with [[Economic Sophisms]] and it was imported to [[b:Economic Sophisms|WB]] which proved to be a novel exercise for QuiteUnusual. I am not very tech minded and have been stalled by the challenge. 

I would like to proofread [[The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I am working on a Project Gutenberg [[User:Zoeannl/PG_Proofreaders_Guidelines|Proofreading guide]], do you mind if I proofread according to this standard? e.g. [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]] 

Have you any thoughts on alternative ways to format annotated texts? It would seem quite easy to link your notes to the original WS page scans? The other example I have found is [[b:Annotations_to_James_Joyce%27s_Ulysses/Telemachus/003|Annotations to Ulysses]] which has the original text included. I hope you still have interest in this project, Cheers, [[User:Zoeannl|Zoeannl]] ([[User talk:Zoeannl|talk]]) 02:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zoeannl}} I could not be more happy that you wrote me. As you can see from my edit history, I've recently been working on [[What_to_the_Slave_Is_the_Fourth_of_July%3F_(annotated)]] and that lead me to take a look at other annotated editions to see how they are done. We have very few here and in spite of that, there is no one way to do them. I have chosen a certain style on the work I just linked because I like a mix of inline links, citations, and annotations as being separate things that mean something different. E.g. I may include an inline link to Wiktionary for a word that is obscure, a reference for something that is cited (like a Bible passage or quoting Shakespeare), and an annotation for anything else that is unclear or could use some context.
:I'm assuming that you've already seen [[Wikisource:Annotations]] but if not, I recommend it. For a unique way to do it, I'd recommend taking a look at [[Strivings of the Negro People]] and [[Strivings of the Negro People/Annotated]]. The nice thing about the way this is done is that there is just one text and it is transcluded into another page with new content in it. So there is no need to proofread twice or copy and paste changes to the original over and over again, etc. I would recommend you maybe consider this format because it could save you some time. If that method seems confusing or weird at first, let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
:Real treat to hear from you and to see someone else interested in annotations and the work that I started ''years'' ago and have yet to finish. I'm happy for you to edit according to any standard that you think is appropriate: note that I've also added in an edit after yours to [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]]: it's a collaborative effort. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons ==

As a more experienced user, and with reference to [[WS:H#Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons|this help request]], can you help with transferring the two files mentioned at that help request section from Commons to here under {{tl|PD-EdictGov}}? It seems that [[Special:Upload]] don't work if the file exists on Commons (even if it is to be deleted), and time is quite tight: only 2 days are given for transferal.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 13:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|廣九直通車}} It looks like they have been uploaded with new names. You can do two things: 1.) you can wait until the Commons files are deleted and then move the local copies to their old names or 2.) leave the files where they are but move all of the indices and pages so that their names are in sync. In the future, this can be resolved by using [[Special:Import]], for users that have the proper user rights (which I don't here but I do have at [[:s:mul:]]). Let me know if there's anything else you need and happy 2022! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advice. I was later found mislead by insufficient information provided on [[c:COM:Namibia]], as it is found that Namibian copyright law did have provision that releases laws into their local public domain.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 09:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Brilliant! All's well that ends well and I learned something about Namibian law in the process! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Non-breaking dashes ==

What should be done with this?

* ill-judged

[[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Valjean}} Great question! Try &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Nowrap|ill-judged}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Will do. Thanks. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

== American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets without indices ==

Hi! I noticed that [[:Category:Page transclusions that refer to missing Index pages]] contains a number of American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets from April 2021. It looks like you uploaded the files and created the pages in April, but you didn't create the corresponding indices. So, this message is a reminder, and a suggestion that you do that. (Also, I've made and proofread [[Index:American Jobs Plan State Fact Sheet FL.pdf]], if you'd like to validate it.) Cheers! —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 09:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}} Thanks. As you can see, at the time, I was uploading several videos and documents per day, spending hours on en.ws documenting the new administration and around day 100, I just got burnt out. I need to go back and fix up things, as well as restart the uploading and transcribing. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::Legit! I certainly have a number of slow-moving projects myself. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 18:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::The missing indexes leaves these pages completely broken (it just throws a big red error message at our readers), so fixing these as a priority would be a good thing.
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Hawaii]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Idaho]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Illinois]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Indiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Iowa]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kansas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kentucky]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Louisiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maine]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maryland]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Massachusetts]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Michigan]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Minnesota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Mississippi]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Missouri]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Montana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nebraska]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nevada]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Hampshire]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Jersey]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Mexico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New York]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Ohio]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oklahoma]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oregon]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Pennsylvania]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Puerto Rico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Rhode Island]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Tennessee]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Texas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Utah]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Vermont]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Washington]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in West Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wisconsin]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wyoming]]&lt;/s&gt;
::[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

This long national nitemare is finally over. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

== Alternative voice example in {{tl|em text}} ==

Hi,

I wanted to ask about the first example of when {{em text|not}} to use the template. The example is confusing to me: In both sentences the speaker is stressing the italicized the word—in the first sentence to emphasize that something is atypical or important about ''that'', and in the second sentence to highlight their uncertainty. I would use the {{tl|em text}} template in both cases.

I think a better example of changing to alternative voice would be, for example, switching between formal and casual speech. Something like &quot;Buy our toy kiddos, it's the coolest! ''This ad was brought to you by UltraCorp Inc.''&quot;

Note that I'm not a native English speaker so I wanted to make sure before editing. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Alnaling}} Good point. I'll change it to make it clearer. Again, great work in these semantics. May I ask what your native tongue is? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I speak Polish natively. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Dziękuję, friend. Great work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

== Unify {{tl|b}} and {{tl|bold}}? ==

Hi, I was recently a bit confused that {{tl|b}} does not redirect to {{tl|bold}}, unlike {{tl|i}} that redirects to {{tl|italic}}. I've looked at it and it seems that there aren't many uses of {{tl|b}} (and the majority of them is a misuse for heading) so maybe it could be unified to be more consistent? And if we want to retain a template alias for triple quotes, it could be under a name that better conveys the &quot;draws attention to&quot; semantics (maybe ''brandish''?). [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 13:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:I don't think we can unify them, as &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, and a CSS text width of &lt;code&gt;bold&lt;/code&gt; are not identical in meaning, even if they look the same. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::I didn't mean to unify them in this sense. I've meant to change {{tl|b}} to redirect to {{tl|bold}} and move the existing code for {{tl|b}} under a new, better name. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 16:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry. I have used &quot;[x] text&quot; sometimes. E.g. {{tl|em}} and {{tl|em text}}. I am still hesitant to think that {{tl|b}} should redirect to {{tl|bold}}, but I can see your argument, for sure. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I think matching HTML names makes sense for newer tags that have reasonable names like &lt;code&gt;em&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, but &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt; is a terrible name, only kept for backward compatibility reasons. Maybe {{tl|bhtml}} similar to {{tl|qhtml}} would also make sense. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 18:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sometimes I do &quot;[x]html&quot; (note that I made {{tl|qhtml}}). But I'm not sure that &quot;B&quot; is any worse than &quot;I&quot;. It's ''good'' to have some short template names. I use {{tl|C}} a lot. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

== Juvenile Delinquency Testimony ==

FYI, once I get all the pages OCR'd and the formatting put in (lots of smallcaps, speaker's names), I plan on doing a run through the whole thing and adding the {{tl|nop}}s with the script. Right now I only have the left hand pages created for most of it. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

:If you think it's a real concern I can change the headers to use {{tl|uc}} throughout, I just really wasn't worrying about it (it only really matters if someone cut-pastes the text, afaik, which seems unlikely since headers aren't transcluded). [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Actually looking closer at the type, I think those are {{larger|{{asc|Juvenile Delinquency}}}} (larger-asc) from the shape of the letters. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Do your thing. That edit was a one-off. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, and thanks for the reply. I'm not actually reading (proofing) the thing, because it would be boring as hell, lol, just getting formatting it as something fairly mindless while listening to podcasts. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Wikidata IP block ==

Hello, I am wondering whether it would be possible (and appropriate) for you to give my alt account [[User:Beleg Âlt]] &quot;IP block exempt&quot; status on Wikidata. When I am using my alt account, my Internet is usually routed via Azure, which is globally blocked as an open proxy. I hope that I am trustworthy enough to be permitted this access :) (I've already given my alt this status on enWS, but editing enWS without Wikidata access is rather limiting as I'm sure you are aware) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:I've seen your name around many times, so I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm wondering a little why me and why make the request here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
::Because you are the only Wikidata admin whose name I recognize as active on enWS, and because I will probably forget when I get home and am able to make the request on Wikidata directly (since enWS is the only project where I have IP block exempt status on this account) :) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Thanks for all you do. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Good morning! Can I trouble you for Global IP block exempt status on my main account [[User:Beleg Tâl]] also? Much obliged :)  —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:Can do, but to be clear, the instructions on [[:d:Special:UserRights/Beleg_Tâl]] include the line &quot;If you intend to add IP block exemption to an account, please consider asking a CheckUser to verify the need.&quot; Are you okay with this, knowing that I would inform CUs, i.e. I'm willing to give you the right, but I will also post to [[:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser]]. Let me know and I'll pull the trigger. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

== Technical advancements ==

To get a deletion request from the legendary Koavf could be said to be a great honor. :) It's good to see you again; if you'll remember I'm PseudoSkull from your not-so-distant past at Wiktionary.

Almost all of the edits I make to Wikisource are the product of a large software project I've been working tirelessly on for almost a year, and that will take many more years to fully perfect. I'm working on ways to streamline the proofreading process and make it faster, easier, more effective, and cleaner. I try and keep it as close to best practices as possible. The editing process I'm using right now is entirely a power-user thing, but due to my observations and feedback about Wikisource's editing challenges through this very technology, the frontend (ProofreadPage itself, our local handling of Wikidata work/version data, and the transclusion process) is finally seeing some badly-needed improvements being realized over time, thanks especially to the genius work of CalendulaAsteraceae in this area.

I spend almost all of my extra time every day transcribing old books and movies for Wikisource; it's an interest I take very seriously...perhaps too seriously, but that's another story. The line between an addiction and just life is not so distinct online I guess...

If there is an issue with some of the software and templates I develop for transcriptions, it might be better to ask me about it individually before starting a Proposed deletion, because likelihood is I will not even disagree with your feelings on the approach... In this particular case, there happened to be a better alternative that I didn't think of at the time I developed the individual-template model with auxTOCs, and it took your nudge to remind me to look for an improvement. And go figure, today's improvement actually worked! That's something I wasn't expecting, what a miracle... I'd consider that a huge win, and I partially have you to thank for that.

But anyway, I'd ask that you give me personal feedback and if it's something I should fix I will, or at least we could come up with some kind of compromise. I don't want a technical issue—15,000 lines of code and 4 hours of transcription with no breaks later—to be framed as &quot;you failed, SnowyCinema!!! Shame on you! Delete!&quot; That probably wasn't how you intended it to come across—you probably weren't aware of the large scope of this operation and maybe just assumed I was a new user unaware of general wiki practices (I did change my username again after all)—but a deletion discussion framed like this implies that a contributor was wholly incorrect for making a wrong template and puts ''all'' of their work ''collectively'' in a negative light.

If we still fundamentally disagreed after a few discussion comments, I'd have no problem with a PD discussion after the fact, because the disagreement after full understanding in both parties would justify that more. But more likely, I would improve the approach per your suggestions and make the requested changes to existing works.

Plus it'd be nice to catch up once in a while. Let's talk instead of debate...unless we have to. Happy editing! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Nice to hear from you, ol' FakeHead. Yes, of course I didn't mean to offend or hurt feelings or what have you and I did not want to make you feel personally attacked or criticized. re: your workflow, I recall that yesterday, I happened to see [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Spider_Boy_(1928).pdf/17&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14122183 this mistaken use] of {{tl|sc}} and I thought to myself several hours later, &quot;I wonder if that work has other pages like that with errant small caps?&quot; and looked at the index to see that I was shocked that it had been fully transcribed. I poked around several pages and saw that it was well done, too (but I didn't validate any pages--I was a little too busy for that). The only shortcoming I saw, which is admittedly pretty trivial, is that the footers are lacking &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{C|[{{old style|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;var&gt;x&lt;/var&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;]}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for page numbers, but I was again too busy to bother with that. Great work, SC. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:: Yes, and incidentally that smallcaps issue was due to a transcription misconfiguration on my part, (it was supposed to be &quot;beg=n&quot; aka &quot;beginning = no formatting&quot;, not &quot;beg=sc&quot; :( and I fixed all other instances of this as soon as you recognized it initially), but thank you! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Old Style ==

If you want, I will start a discussion about limiting the use of the Old Style template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

:No, I'm good after the last discussion. What is there to discuss that wasn't discussed the last time? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::There was consider opposition to its overuse and misuse during the deletion discussion for the template.  It isn't meant for random use where the font is irrelevant. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's already in use on this work and has been for years. Please stop undoing both the consistent use of old style (which is used selectively and not overused or misused) as well as the other changes. There is no reason to randomly change the styling on a per-page basis that has been established for years on this work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I created those pages today; they have not been in place &quot;for years&quot;.  The pages created by the primary editor over the past month make no use of the template.  There is also ''no'' discussion page establishing the template as part of the work's style. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't write that those two pages have been around for years, I wrote that the general transcription project of the work has been and as you likely know, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Hawaii%27s_Story_by_Hawaii%27s_Queen.pdf/15&amp;action=history it has used old style numbers in the table of contents for years] as well as on other pages. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand.  I thought you insisted on using old style because it replicates the original.  However, you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:Hm? E.g.? &lt;ins&gt;Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic.&lt;/ins&gt;—[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I ceased editing because I'm waiting for you to explain yourself. Please clarify what you mean with some diffs or even basic context because I have no clue what your post means. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I have no clue what your occult message means and you refuse to explain it, I'm going to keep on doing what I've been doing. If you have anything substantial to say, I'm all ears. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} &quot;you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original.&quot; How so? Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== The Philosophical Review ==

This is a work-based category being cleared prior to deletion.  Wikisource established by consensus that we do not categorize subpages of works into a category for that work.  Such categories are eligible for speedy deletion under [[WS:CSD]] G8.  Please desist your reversions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Can you please explain what you meant in the above cryptic message? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::You are reverting good edits.  Please stop.  The edits were good. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Your message in ''this'' thread is not cryptic. Your message ''above'' that I have mentioned multiples as being cryptic is cryptic. Please explain ''that''. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but your previous message was too cryptic for me to understand that. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Never communicate like that with me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I will note that the EB1911 categories are a special case or work-based category.  No decision has been made to delete them; they are being kept, at least for now.  There may be one or two others that are not coming to mind. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:UGANDA AND THE EGYPTIAN SOUDAN.djvu]] ==

Can you have a look over this, it seems to have an odd formating that was casuing lints? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I don't see these issues. I searched the index and its CSS on every lint errors page with no results and have been poking thru individual pages. Where are you seeing this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
: pp. 1 to 36. I sat down and delinted myself.  However, the previous contributor may have have been unfamiliar with certain conventions used on this project. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I've seen edits by this user that give me pause as well. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::: Well I've left them 2 hopefully polite notes to consider how other users are formatting, perhaps you could consider giving them pointers (that weren't in the welcome message) about how English Wikisource formats things? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll offer, but I have had concerns about this account(s) and no one else seems to much care: [[Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Possible_sockpuppet_accounts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: Who has local checkuser, I found another account editing roughly the same works - [[Special:Contributions/BellaAber]]? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&amp;group=checkuser&amp;wpsubmit=&amp;wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&amp;limit=1000 no local CheckUsers]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not ever claim &quot;established style&quot; in future, if you are going to disregard the same claim when made by others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:What style was changed? Also, why do you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AUGANDA_AND_THE_EGYPTIAN_SOUDAN.djvu%2F9&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=14563269 keep on inserting inaccuracies in your validated page]? How is it ''better'' to keep on including wrong things on the page? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::''What'' inaccuracies? For someone who complains about cryptic remarks, you sure make a lot of them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Does the page say &quot;BY THE&quot; (as I validated it) or &quot;'BY THE&quot; (as you validated it)? Please link to another purportedly cryptic comment I made. Also, please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If there is a single stray quote, then remove the single stray quote.  All the other changes are inappropriate, unnecessary, unhelpful, and against established style.  And if the problem is just a stray extra quote mark, then say &quot;there is a superfluous quote mark&quot; rather than making a cryptic statement and reverting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::#What style was changed?
:::::#When was I making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original?
:::::It seems like you're in the business of just blindly reverting without paying any attention to the actual changes made. Please correct me if I'm wrong and please answer the two questions I just asked you (again). —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

== wikisource files at commons ==

I do several things there with source images for books that I learned from [[User:Hesperian|Hesperian]]'s example.  Putting the images into a category that was specific to the publication was one of the big ones.  Commons gets images from different publications (Paris and Toronto are usually the places) from the same year.  So, Hesperian would put the images into categories with the publishers name.  I rarely do this because of duplicate publications, but I encountered so many Flickr images from the book I was doing, that I try to put them into categories where a bot would not upload Flickr crap into.  

Also, God's Man is an unnervingly general phrase.

I am kind of unhappy with that move there.  Other than that, how is life treating you?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:To be clear, it's &quot;Gods' Man&quot;, not &quot;God's Man&quot;. I'm not familiar with any other works by that name. Life is treating me well, tho I recently lost my wallet like an idiot and am suffering some of the fallout of my stupidity. I am generally looking forward to 2025, which is the first time in several years where the new year seems positive. Yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

::Truly, my peak with spelling and grammar was in 8th grade.  I came back to mention also that commons is for all of the wiki, not just en:w and that gutenberg uploads occur frequently (300px, medium sized in the old days, small today) and just keeping all of the images from this one publication in one place is such a good reason for so many other reasons.  Hesperian's experience was with en:w, commons, and en:s making this person a good one to follow.  My experience as been with commons, en:s, and wd.  It is good to understand more than one wiki.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but I may not understand what the point was of this thread. Is there some action you need from me? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:::: Someone at commons with your user name moved the files for Gods' Man, fixing the apostrophe but losing the author last name and the year.  Hence, the words here about everything I learned from there and here about category names.  I really thought that you were the person to have moved them so I did not provide background information.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I did move it. There's nothing wrong with the move. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

== Thanks and Invitation to the WDOGE  ==

Your contributions of primary sources are appreciated, being on a wide variety of topics philosophic, religious, and historical.  Also your constructive improvements on author pages for both [[Author:Joe Biden|Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Donald Trump|Donald Trump]].

You are invited to contribute to the &quot;Wiki Discourse on Government Efficiency&quot;, an original research project at [[v:User:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency]], and soon to go to mainspace.

And to a colloquy on the project at:
[[Wikiversity:Colloquium#Research_Guidelines_for_the_new_Wiki_of_Government_Efficiency]]

Kind regards, [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, Jared. Not sure that it's in my future, but I appreciate the kind words and invitation. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== Dashiell Hammett ==

I see that you have added the index for The Dain Curse. Are you planning to do much work on that ? I am currently workung my way through Red Harvest, and will try to get on to The Dain Curse after that. I did [[Black Lives]] which was the first of the individual stories that were combined into The Dain Curse. I just need to get around to tidying up the image an initial letter. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not, no. Any effort you want to put into it would be greatly appreciated. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== The Magic Island ==

I take it that this a volume you're keen to work on? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Not particluarly. I just uploaded the PDF to Commons, so I happened to notice when someone made the index, etc. I'm happy to patch up some bits and do a few pages, but I don't anticipate putting forth a lot of time on this.&lt;ins&gt; That's why I gave a heads up to the two editors I saw working on the scan that the images had been cropped out, to empower them and collaborate more than take over or drive it.&lt;/ins&gt; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== mul:WS ==

We don't seem to have a page &quot;Help:mul Wikisource&quot; or anything similar.  Would you be willing to write up something in broad strokes explaining what it is, about what it hosts, moving things there, and possible points of contact, etc., so that we could refer people to it? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Of course. Good idea. Thanks for asking. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::Having the page will be very useful.  Thanks for getting it started. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for having the idea; Teamwork makes the dream work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Image alts for Gay-Neck  ==

If you'd like to add &quot;alt=&quot;, the complete set of images are located at [[:commons:Category:Gay-Neck, the Story of a Pigeon]], and all have been added to the work.  The illuminated initial letters all have alt values already, so that the text will display, but the other images may lack them.  Each filename includes the page number where it appears within the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Can do. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

For illuminated initials, I would this [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Gay-Neck,_the_story_of_a_pigeon_1927_(IA_gayneckstoryofpi00muke).djvu/19&amp;curid=4763881&amp;diff=14977400&amp;oldid=14929455 this version] would be ''less'' helpful to readers.  Since, if they have images deactivated for reading, they will read:

: A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.

Which will not be a good way to start reading the chapter. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:They may have images deactived or otherwise not able to view them for a variety of reasons. What if someone is blind? Or has bandwidth restrictions? The alt text provides contextual information that explains what someone who is seeing the image would get from it. If you want to change it, I agree that hearing out loud &quot;Tee he city of Calcutta...&quot; is maybe more clear than &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephant he city of Calcutta&quot;, but it makes for better alt text. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::If someone is blind or autistic, and is using text-to-speech, then it will read aloud: &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Which again, is ''less'' helpful than hearing simply &quot;The city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Text-to speech should connect T-he correctly because there is no space. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not familiar with the relationship between autism and screen-readers, so I can't speak to that and I'm only a little more knowledgeable on the blind. If you want to revert or otherwise change the alt text on those decorative first letters, I wouldn't object. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I am going to revert on the initial letters.  If you think a strong case can be made for them, we can have a general discussion in the Scriptorium, but I think legibility of the text for users of text-to-speech is preferable to alt-descriptions of illuminations that impede understanding. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Is [[Index:The Prophet - Gibran - 1923.djvu]] not a duplicate of [[Index:Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet (1926 edition, Knopf).pdf]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, no clue why someone else made that index, especially since the DJVu is not an original printing, but one from at least 1934. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Inductiveload}}, why does this index exist? Is there a reason to have this scan transcribed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::So, OK to delete the DjVu Index and pages as redundant?  Note that Inductiveload has not edited here for nearly two years. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I guess. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== CSS problems ==

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, unless user subpages don't take index.css, or styles.css.

Also, I don't know if I need to use [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox/index.css]] or Sandbox/styles.css, so I made both, but neither seems to have any effect. I've tried a few simple code modifications, but to no avail. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Xaxafrad}} can you explain more what you're trying to do? What is it you want to have happen in your browser? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::I want to add the dots in this [[Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/7|table of contents]]. I have my [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox|sandbox]] set up to test out the changes (and they're really close), as I want to move from a handwritten table to the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{TOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template family. There's an expanded TOC starting on [[Page:The Urantia Book, 1st Edition.djvu/13|this page]], which I hadn't even seriously considered the logistics of upgrading until now...and which might be covered by the existing templates without modification. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 00:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, I spent a couple of hours at it and got nothing useful. I think I've met my match. Sorry. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for giving it a shot. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 08:40, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;:/&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::Thanks for being so diligent yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== What? ==

{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why in the world would you block me? For [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this]? Validating the page ''you'' proofread? What is wrong with the edit?

{{tl|unblock|no reason to be blocked in the first place, admin abusing tools and not paying attention.}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Explained above, and in the original edit comment.  In future, please do not deliberately break the formatting of pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::What is broken in that edit? Those two revs display exactly identically. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::See https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122674 and https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678
:::What is &quot;broken&quot; formatting here? {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::The biggest break is (1) the '''central divide''' is the wrong height, and the wrong width.
::::The fact that a change displays correctly on your computer is never a guarantee that it will work on other people's computers.  Please listen when other editors tell you something is wrong, instead of insisting that you are right.
::::You also:
::::(2) '''misused the running header''' template, while applying a completely unnecessary div tag, all to avoid using an explicit table, in favor of a running header (''which is also a table'') for no apparent reason.
::::We have previously discussed that style changes are a matter a precedence, in which you should defer to the original editor, and not force through your own preferences. 
::::You misused a template, and broke the formatting.  None of the other changes you made were necessary, but all were style choices.  All of these things are considered inappropriate on Wikisource, and you have been here long enough to be aware of this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::With regard to your edit comment question: &quot;why on Earth would you remove validation {{...}} ?&quot;
::::When you made the multiple changes in the same edit as validation, your validation is then continent on having those edits take effect.  Reversing the edits to correct problems on the page means also reversing the validation.  To keep the validation while undoing the edits would be inappropriate.
::::With regard to closing &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags, the self-closing aspect is being dropped in the latest version of HTML.  XHTML is now obsolete, and there is zero benefit to retaining obsolete markup, which was replaced by the HTML Living Standard.  See [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element this page] for the current standard for the tag. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:59, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You are again playing games. You blocked me after an edit that was not made to the material at the bottom of the page. As I have already asked you multiple times, you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122678 this inappropriate rollback] to undo [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page, which renders identically to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page. I am asking you one more time: what is &quot;broken&quot; about my last revision to that page, which you blocked me for and for which you abused rollback? All of the other issues can be discussed ''after'' you answer the question you are making me ask repeatedly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The fact that you made additional edits between the time that I discovered your revert, in order to check the Wikisource blocking policy, and then blocked you, is immaterial.  I have explained what action led to you being blocked.  I have also given a detailed response above to multiple questions you have asked both here and in your edit summaries.
::::::I have explained at [[WS:AN]] that I did not intend to rollback.  There is an unfortunate fact that in the side-by-side edit comparison window both undo and rollback at at almost the same location.  And with rollback, there is never a dialogue box to confirm to avoid a mis-click.  I apologize for accidentally hitting rollback instead of undo. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::It's not clear to me why you even undid/accidentally-misclick-rollbacked the last edit ''at all''. How is the library better for ''removing'' a link to the translator, as our documentation recommends we insert? Maybe someone could consider that vandalizing the library by making it worse?
:::::::In MediaWiki, &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; is converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt;, so adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; creates more work for the servers, which maybe someone could consider vandalism, since it puts further strain on the library to function properly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you have evidence for your claim about the break tag, and that it is a concern, then please provide that evidence. I am going by the current Living Standard for HTML from the official website for that standard, and by what User:Xover has told me about the functioning of MediWiki. I used to include the closing slash myself in the br-tag, but changed my editing because a skilled coder and admin here recommended that I change my editing practices and provided the necessary evidence.
::::::::In return, please explain how inserting a template {{tl|br}} (which you created) reduces the work servers must do when all it does is create a line break. Template calls increase the work the servers do, so if that is your motivating concern, then the template should not be used.
::::::::If you could please point me to the place where it is recommended to link to a translator in the body of a title page, when that link is already in the header, please provide it.  Then explain why you are not adding such links on the title pages of the works you have transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Per [[:w:en:Help:Line-break_handling]]:
::::::::::The MediaWiki software uses any of them for a single forced line break. All of them are converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; in the HTML that browsers read.
:::::::::You can confirm this by viewing the source of a page.
:::::::::[[Wikisource:Wikilinks]] encourages internal links in pages. Not only does local documentation encourage internal links, it encourages [[Wikisource:Red link guidelines|red links]] and says that those should not be removed:
::::::::::A red link that links to a work, author or other page that could be added in the future should be left alone if that page cannot be created in the present.
:::::::::So unless you think that only redlinks shouldn't be removed and that blue links ''should be''...?
:::::::::As for why I don't do it: I'm not obliged to do it, but I'm also not ''actively removing'' links that someone else adds. Those are two different things. So again, why did you undo what I did in my most recent edit to that page? Since the two render identically and you just remove a link that should be there, what benefit is there to anyone for the rollback you did? How is the library better off for that edit? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:09, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I acknowledge what [[w:en:Help:Line-break_handling:]] says about conversion, but I do not see any evidence about creating more work for the servers.  Nor do I know that the advice on the page is current; it is not unusual for advice on pages to become out of date.  I also did not receive a reply from you about the {{tl|br}} template.  This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.
::::::::::Issues about red links do not apply here; you did not add a red link.  Nor does the passage you reference advise linking to the translator, but the section above on &quot;Unintended emphasis&quot; does apply here, as putting the name of the translator in the center of a page into a different color from the rest of the test on the page gives that link unintended emphasis. Such emphasis is ''dis''couraged. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::&quot;This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.&quot; I have asked you the same question repeatedly and you have ignored it repeatedly. Interesting that you point out this here. Using native MediaWiki is better than raw HTML when possible because it's easier for editors to understand and use. Once more: &quot;How is the library better off for that edit?&quot; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::So, you are claiming that {{tl|br}} is &quot;easier for editors to understand and use&quot; than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; on what basis?  This is dodging the question by making an unsupported claim.
::::::::::::I assume that (although you did not respond) that you agree with the principal of unintended emphasis. Thus, removing unintended emphasis, aside from the simpler syntax of the br tag, and elimination of a superfluous set of template calls, makes the library better.  This was implied in my previous message, but I make that explicit now for you. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't dodge your question: I answered it. ''That'' is the reason why I did what I did. You asked me to support a claim that I didn't make (which you phrased as a command, not a question) and then you get upset at the justification for something I never wrote. It's just weird behavior. Why does it take asking the same question six times over the course of a day to get a straight answer from you? Why is it you don't just admit that you abused rollback? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

===Block===

Reverting edits to forms which you have been told are not displaying correctly is vandalism.  You have deliberately made a page break.  You have been blocked for three days.  Please do not deliberately break formatting in future. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Details at [[WS:AN#User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:You are being deceptive [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122695 here], as you blocked me after a ''different'' rev which ''did not do what you claim''. You also abused rollback ''again'' after doing so [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;oldid=14465397#Misuse_of_rollback_by_an_admin months ago]. See above for my question which is about the purported broken formatting. {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Please do not accuse others of deception.  You yourself have just moved this section below your &quot;What?&quot; section, despite the fact that it originally appeared as a separate section above it.  That has the appearance of deception, but I would not make the accusation because it is also possible that you did not mean to be deceptive, but were simply combining the previous section into this one.  If you wish to discuss the disputed content, I am willing to do that in a separate thread.  This thread was started concerning your block, not about page content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I would like you to answer the question that I asked you instead of ignoring it. This is inappropriate. My above question is about your incorrect claim that there is broken formatting. I want you to substantiate it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I have been writing my response.  You respond very quickly.  Please show more patience. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

*[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]: In light of the above, I [[Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Koavf_deliberately_breaking_page_format|have called]] for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]]. As you cannot comment there, I would like to ask here whether or not you support such a vote. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Yes, I do. I was going to post to the admin's noticeboard anyway for EP's repeated abuse of rollback and blocking, not long after he was admonished for abusing them in similar circumstances. Tools like rollback and blocking require better judgement than that shown. That's in addition to a general attitude that is not becoming of an admin in other areas which I think warrants discussion. Thanks for being considerate enough to ask. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:: Admin behaviour is under discussion, and I left a note for you at AN, but I would like to remind you that technical stuff is complicated. There is no need for deception, for two people to see different things. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:::Sure. What I think happened was he wasn't paying any attention to my edits, abused rollback to undo a whole host of changes that he had no objection to, and blocked me preemptively and now that I've asked him repeatedly why he did that and what the purported problems were with my last edit, he's ignored the question so that he won't have to actually say &quot;I just abused rollback in a personal content dispute and instead of posting to talk or even protecting the page, I blocked you and then stonewalled on why&quot;, but I could be wrong. He has since claimed that he didn't even know he used rollback, which is its own kind of concern, but you are correct that he could actually just be confused and not paying attention instead of actively dissimulating. I have just seen this before when EP does something inscrutable and inappropriate and then feigns ignorance of what is happening or just refuses to explain his own behavior and why he did what he did, so it strains credulity that his explanations are legitimate and that he didn't just do what I supposed. He has done this before where he just deflects answering the simplest question, keeps on harassing me about nonsense, and then goes on about his day, occasionally coming back to my talk page to post more tangential nonsense and never answering the question that was asked, so I am personally tired of that inappropriateness. Your mileage may vary. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*::::fark you [[User:Fark BsAadowski|Fark BsAadowski]] ([[User talk:Fark BsAadowski|talk]]) 02:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
*::::the abuse filter is farking you off [[User:Fark BsAadowski|Fark BsAadowski]] ([[User talk:Fark BsAadowski|talk]]) 02:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
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&lt;div style=&quot;border:solid 1px tan; background:antiquewhite; color:#202122; padding:3px;&quot;&gt;Hello, Koavf, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. 

Please take a glance at our [[Help:Contents|help pages]] (especially [[Help:Adding texts|Adding texts]] and [[Wikisource:Style guide|Wikisource's style guide]]). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the ''[[Wikisource:Scriptorium|Scriptorium]]''. 

The [[Wikisource:Community Portal|Community Portal]] lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. &lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps&quot;&gt;[[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] &lt;sup&gt;'''([[User talk:Jayvdb|chat]])'''&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 08:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Nominations for deletion ==

If you use {{tl|delete}}, you have to make an entry on the deletions page, as I did [http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Proposed_deletions&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=2084463 here]. If you think that it should be a speedy deletion, use {{tl|sdelete}}.--[[User:Longfellow|Longfellow]] ([[User talk:Longfellow|talk]]) 12:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Repeat of above request ==

Hi, adding {{tl|delete}} means that you need to log a proposal at [[WS:DEL|Proposed deletions]] explaining why there's a problem. If however you mean that the article/category/page meets one of the [[WS:CSD|speedy deletion criteria]], then please use {{tlx|sdelete|reason}}. It makes it easier to understand what you mean. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 03:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== We already use HotCat from Commons ==

Just so that you are aware, we already utilise the HotCat from Commons in our gadgets, and directly so it updates. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:'''Ah''' Good to know. Thanks. I didn't know where it was localized, etc.--I just looked in [[Special:Preferences]] and if the gadget wasn't there, I imported it from Commons. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::It is there, along with a few others (though it does need a tidy), and we look to &lt;s&gt;steal&lt;/s&gt; use others' gadgets wherever possible.  If you do have any suggestions for better sorting or explaining our gadgets, then that feedback would be most welcome. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::'''Huh''' I don't see it at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]]... As you can tell from my [[Special:CentralAuth/Koavf|contribs]], talk, page, etc. I'm not that accustomed to how things work on en.ws, but I've always wanted to be a productive member here: it's a really great idea and resource. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
::::Third from top.  I have just prepended it with HotCat, as presumably the label may attract those specifically looking for it.  Re partipication, if we know your poison, then surely someone can suggest a work.  An easier place to start is [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month]] where we usually take a work from scratch through to completion (if we can).  As it is active, it is a great way to see how others edit, and see where they have good shortcuts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::'''Thanks''' Added. I've always thought it bizarre that there aren't vast digital archives that have been imported here: legal documents, patents, public domain literature, etc. It seems like there must be databases upon databases out there to be scripted over to here--is there something obvious that I'm missing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
::::::The purpose that we have is to look to bring verifiable text.  In earlier days, lots of texts have come gutenberg, verified by them, though still not perfect, and without images.  They can still come over, but numbers alone isn't the focus of many.  We have been bringing works in what we believe is a more structured means and we are looking to a more validated format.  Image to Commons, then [[Help:proofread|proofread]] and validated from the image.  We have also looked to do other sorts of works, [[DNB]], [[PSM]], often which can be used in support of WP articles; extracting quality images, store at Commons, display in the works, but to also have available across WMF. There is plenty more there, it probably is more quietly appearing.&lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
'''Sources''' I may be dense, but it seems like (e.g.) several governments will have reliably proofread texts stored electronically that could be ported over here with relative easy and automation. At the very least, you could store them in some tracking category like, [[:Category:Texts ported from the State of Alabama which need proofreading]] and readers could still find these texts useful. Again, I guess I'm just so ignorant that I'm asking bad questions. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:41, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
:Yep, I was more focusing my comments on older works, those that are not currently online / readily available.  Some consider that those works that you identified that are permanently online, then sometimes there is less value on importing them, especially with the variety of licences that can apply to them.  Usually we can just as readily link to them from pages, we don't require the works to be housed locally to be part of the library, one could build an Author (person) page with offsite links, or a Portal (organisational authors) page to the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
::'''Library''' I suppose I still need to read up on what Wikisource's actual scope is, because I had a different impression about what it actually could or should do. If I understand you correctly, I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed, honestly. (Although please don't take that as a slight against the hard work that I'm sure you and several other contributors put into this project.) —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:22, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::[[Wikisource:What Wikisource includes]] and [[Wikisource:For Wikipedians]].  I am '''not''' talking what we may, could or should be. I am talking where I see where we are as an evolved volunteer library that has limited resources, so more where we are in the journey. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

== multiple blank lines ==

You don't need to use &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; over and over to create multiple blank lines. Just use multiple returns to insert blank lines directly. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. As you can see from my contribs, I'm getting the hang of ProofRead. Much appreciated! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:41, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

== Dates in diambiguation situations ==

Hi,

In light of some of your moves in the Author namespace, I ask you to please follow [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Author_pages|existing guidlines (#5)]] and refrain from using anything other than a plain old dash when it comes to an Author's basepage title that has any form of &quot;date&quot; in it. example...
* John Smith (1878-1956) - ''OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content''
* John Smith (1878–1956) - '''''NOT''' OK for core, target, mainpage that holds content. OK as a redirect to the main page however''
..... thanks -- [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 01:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

== [[Original Stories from Real Life]] ==

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|style=&quot;vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;&quot; | For your outstanding and very welcome work on [[Original Stories from Real Life]]. --[[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
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I want you to know that this is the first time that I know of that any sort of attempt to do something in the honor of an editor who has, for whatever reason, left the project, and it is very very encouraging to see someone willing to spend the effort to do so. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:13, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

:Also, when the chaptering gets done, it might be worth while asking if a memorial template can be placed in a comparatively prominent place somewhere on the index page, index talk page, and/or on one or more of the relevant wikipedia talk pages. Considering I am blocked from editing in wikipedia till pretty much the end of the month, I have a feeling that if anything at wikipedia itself is to be done you are probably the man to do it. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 02:31, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
::For whatever reason, don't ask me why, the final page isn't allowing me to validate it, I think because I made some changes to it. Maybe we can get someone else to do it? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 18:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

== May I ask why [[special:diff/prev/5992092|this change?]] ==

If you are ''really'' sure then restore; but without explanation I will remain mystified... [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:04, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{Ping|AuFCL}} Wow, that was weird. You are right and I am wrong--somehow, I saw that as being up one level higher in the hierarchy than it should have been. Sorry. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::Oh well; just glad the insanity wasn't mine—this time at least! [[User:AuFCL|AuFCL]] ([[User talk:AuFCL|talk]]) 08:24, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

== Please stop moving author pages ==

You are moving author pages against the policy of naming. Please stop. This is not enWP. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Look at my contribs: I'm moving them all back now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks, though I am not sure how you thought that it was a great idea in the first place to start moving so many pages?  Did you think that we didn't know what we were doing? Stop to think to ask?  One too many new year drinks bring on some bravery? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} I'll just chalk that up to you being wound up. Thanks and have a good new year. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Nobody's perfect. Did you notice how you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AWilliam_Harvey_%281578-1657%29&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=6429448&amp;oldid=6106004 edited this author page] when it had an ndash? I've since [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:John_Wilson_(1785-1854)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591414 moved] all of the [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:William_Harvey_(1578-1657)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=6591416 ndash pages] to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Frederick_II_(1194-1250)&amp;action=history hyphens] (in spite of them being ungrammatical). If we work together, we can make things better--you don't need to talk down to me nor act put out when I was fixing my own mistakes and adding {{tl|no works}} to several pages, making them demonstrably better. I'm sure you know that I'm on balance an asset to the WMF projects, including this one. So are you. Onwards and upwards? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:12, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Titles on pages are not about grammar, that is about style. Grammar would be how they are used within a work, and you will see that we use an endash within the display of the template. The reason for why are is in the archives, and you would need to go back about 8 to 9 years. I wasn't trying to talk down to you, but it was pretty hard to comprehend how or why an experienced editor would be doing it, and their missing key indicators, when they were doing it. Of course we can work together. It looks all cleared up. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== Oldwikisource-&gt;Mul ==

Check my recent contributions, In a bold move I've &quot;updated&quot; as many as interwikis as I felt able to. 

I've excluded some for technical reasons, associated Talk namespaces, User and Page namespace.  The use of oldwikisource in Page namespace seems to be ALL in a single work though, and could probably be updated with AWB very quickly..

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&amp;limit=500&amp;offset=0&amp;ns104=1&amp;search=insource%3A%2Foldwikisource%2Fi&amp;searchToken=69rsvrtej83wiexy2sn92xl49

Currently mul and oldwikisource interwiki prefix link to the same thing ?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Yes, [[s:mul:]] and [[s:OldWikisource:]] go to the same place. I could pull up the [[phab:]] tickets if you needed but I don't have them handy at the moment. Thanks for that--I think that we should really discourage the use of any non-ISO title and the sooner we switch them, the better. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:55, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
::FWIW: [[Special:Interwiki]] gives a local view and confirms Koavf's note above.

== Categories for people ==

We no longer use categories for people on en-Wikisource to organize their works. Author pages fulfill this function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. Can you point me to a guideline? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
::Probably not, as many of our guidelines are unwritten or uncodified. But please point me to a category for any other President of the US or any other person. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't know any. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:09, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

::[[Help:Categorization]] seems to be the closest we've come to stating a guideline on this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

== Your block ==

User:Beeswaxcandle deleted that list, and explained why. Wikisource actively discourages the addition of material that is clearly not in PD. You have repeatedly recreated the list in various locations despite this fact, and in direct violation of what Wikisource is about. For this you have been blocked. Please do not encourage the addition of non-PD materials to Wikisource in future, or you will be blocked for a longer period. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I in no way encouraged the addition of non-free material--I added a disclaimer to the page for just that reason. Many author pages include lists of material that we host and do not host (sometimes outbound linking to other sites that do); why is this one any different? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Also, I am in the middle of doing several edits which are inarguably within policy and helpful. Please unblock me so that I can continue. Blocking without any warning especially while I'm in the midst of doing something useful is pointless. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I sorry that you do not understand how damaging it is to Wikisource to promote the addition of non-PD materials. I am sorry you do not understand why it is a bad idea to push over the actions of two different admins who explained the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I understand the scope of Wikisource hosting material that is free or not (not sure why you are exclusively referring to PD as we host many types of material which are not in the US public domain). Again, there is evidently not policy on listing works by an author but either way, I'm not interested in fighting about this. Please unblock me so that I can continue working on other issues. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:42, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You chose to fight the actions of two different admins, so claiming that you are not interested in fighting about this is disingenuous. You may continue working when the block expires. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:45, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It's not disingenuous at all, Pete. I tried a different approach each time, hoping that would be amenable. It's not like I did the same thing over and over again just hoping no one would notice--I tried to do something that would be workable for everyone. Instead of having a discussion about it, you went to block me. If you were to unblock me, I would go about my business doing other things here than this. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:47, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::Personally, I don't like seeing trusted users blocked, especially without notice, it is a very high standard to set. I also don't like users gallivanting on their merry way without reference to the community, especially when they have been undone. Good communication, tolerance, and approaching consensus from the softer side are always important. Can we please remove the block. Can we please have community members discuss their actions prior to making them a rod for all our backs, or hoisting us on to our own petards. If it looks bleeding obvious, yet it isn't urgent, and hasn't been done, asking about it may take a little longer, but at a community of this intermediate size, with leading protagonists, asking, piloting, testing, asking, has been proved to be effective. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Billinghurst}} Thanks. For what it's worth, I basically have work to do here daily. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:15, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

== Jr / Sr ==

Re: &quot;Jr is necessary as his father is notable as well&quot;. The issue on Wikisource is never just that of &quot;notability&quot;, but whether or not the other person '''published''' anything. I do not know in this case whether it will make any difference, but just want to make the reasoning clear to you. The issues on Wikisource are not the same as those on Wikipedia.

Also, please note that the document you are using to justify all of these Author page moves is an &quot;Essay&quot;, and has never been adopted as a Policy or as a Guideline by Wikisource. It is possible that some editors might take issue with certain moves to full names, although I have not seen any yet of that sort myself. Names like &quot;T. S. Eliot&quot; and &quot;Virginia Woolf&quot; in particular probably ought to have a discussion if they are to be moved. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What I mean as &quot;notable&quot; is not necessarily the sense of Wikipedia or Wikidata but yes, someone who may have produced a document/text/speech which could reasonably be reproduced here. You are mistaken about my justification: I am referring to the [[Help:Author_pages#Page_name|help documentation]] which says to not include titles and to include full names (except in instances of famous pseudonyms). Is there something I'm missing here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
::I am not mistaken. You have linked to [[Wikisource:Author names]] in some of your edit summaries as justification. That page is tagged as an &quot;Essay&quot;. And as the Help page notes: sometimes a particular form of an author's name is used as if it were a pseudonym (T. S. Eliot, Virginia Woolf) and under those situations the better known pseudonym may be preferred. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

::Your move of [[Author:Abraham ibn Ezra]] to [[Author:Abraham ben Meir Ibn Ezra]] is the only one I saw that would might be considered objectionable (I've moved it back). Medieval Europe did not have a fixed system of naming as we as used to having today. Rather, individuals had a given name, but were recorded with whatever description might be needed as circumstances called for it. So, for example, Leonardo da Vinci (&quot;Leonardo, from Vinci&quot;) was usually enough to tell you ''which'' Leonardo someone was talking about, even though &quot;da Vinci&quot; was not actually part of his name. His &quot;full name&quot; was simply &quot;Leonardo&quot;. When treating with names before about 1500, the issue is more often: &quot;Which form of the name is used most often in modern scholarship?&quot; than &quot;What is the ''full'' name?&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} For names in the form &quot;de/du/d' [Place]&quot; I've left them if the person's name is too simple but moved them if the name is otherwise complete. In the case of &quot;Galileo Galilei&quot; or &quot;Leonardo da Vinci&quot; the Italian custom would be important to leave to those appellations so we can understand who it is supposed to be--similar to royalty. Of course, Anglo-style names from recent centuries are a lot easier for me to parse. I skipped a lot of Arabic names, ancient Greek ones, etc. If you see anything else that seems off-track, let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:18, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--that linked user essay gives examples like [[Author:James Matthew Barrie]] and doesn't call &quot;J.M.&quot; a pseudonym. If anything, that is an example consistent with the help documentation... Not sure what you're suggesting here nor what these examples are supposed to mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::: That's part of the problem. Some choices (like J. M. Barrie) are equivocal. The linked user Essay gives examples both ways without settling on one choice over the other, and does not use the best examples to explain the options. That Essay should not be used as a guide to make decisions about pagenames because it is a drafted (and abandoned) Essay that was crafted mostly by a single individual, and is not a Guideline or Policy. Help pages are likewise NOT guidelines or policies. That's my point: You're making lots of page moves based on a few sentences in a Help page and an Essay. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Barring any guideline or policy (of which there are only a handful anyway), then we may as well have something consistent and something that matches what we tell new users, right? If in 15 years there hasn't actually been some traction on formalizing a single standard across the project, that's unfortunate but on the one hand, it certainly leaves no reason to ''not'' make them consistent and on the other, we do have something written somewhere that prefers full names. Additionally, pages are routinely moved or created by others at full names and a page move based on a full name has passed by the Scriptorium recently without objection. In principle, it seems pretty clear that this is what is generally the case for many high-profile pages anyway. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

== [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] ==

Hey there, I came across [[Tech and the Fake Market Tactic]] that you’ve added recently, but I’m not quite sure it complies to the guidelines for inclusion at Wikisource. I wanted to touch base with you before nominating it for deletion in case I’m missing something. 

As far as I can tell it’s a self published article, Medium is a blogging platform where anybody can just post something. They do have magazines, which can offer curated content, but in this case &quot;Humane Tech&quot; seems to be a magazine ran by Anil Dash himself. Do you know if it was published anywhere else that has peer-review or editorial controls? [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 09:11, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Marjoleinkl}} Medium is something like a self-publishing platform but some sub-sections of the site have an editorial policy. I have seen it commented on in other sites which have some professional editorial standards (e.g. [https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/four-short-links-28-february-2017 O'Reilly] or [https://boingboing.net/2017/02/28/silicon-ponzi.html BoingBoing]) but it was neither originally published there nor has it been reproduced elsewhere as far as I can tall. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::: Thanks for your reply. It’s a really recent text, it might get picked up more later. Right now it is unfortunately in a subsection that was editorialized by Anil Dash himself, which means it would solely self published and makes me lean towards requesting deletion. I’ll give it a few more days to see if it pops up anywhere else. It’s an interesting read for sure  [[User:Marjoleinkl|Marjoleinkl]] ([[User talk:Marjoleinkl|talk]]) 12:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

== author pages for modern authors ==

For someone like [[Author:Alexandre J. M. E. Christoyannopoulos]] we would not normally create such an author page as the works  won't be in the public domain or freely available. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:11, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} But his will be, as he's an anarchist and makes it a point to publish openly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|Koavf}} making us guess that is not overt information — a note on talk page would have helped. If he has works available already, then feel free to link to them externally now, works are preferred though not required to be local. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} There ''are'' works linked on his page now. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== Why do you do seemingly pointless editing, and without community consultation? ==

What is the purpose or benefit of italicising all the PSM subheadings? eg. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author:Spencer_Walpole&amp;curid=499559&amp;diff=7041919&amp;oldid=6440788] We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions. If you are looking to undertake a large scale change like that it really should be put before the community for discussion so we can look at author pages holistically, and we all decide what is best. This has been mentioned to you before about unilateral actions, so how about they stop. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I saw something to fix, so I fixed it. The substantial majority of the headings were not italicized but some were—surely, it's not ''preferable'' for them to be inconsistent. I like well-formatted text and on an archival/library project, that's particularly important (e.g. look at all the myriad [[:Category:TOC_templates|templates we have for formatting tables of contents]]!) I am not seeing what you're going for here: are you suggesting that periodicals ''shouldn't'' be italicized (i.e. that this is controversial somehow and I should have elicited feedback from others because this is too potentially &lt;del&gt;inflammatory&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;contentious&lt;/ins&gt;) or that you want ''more'' periodicals italicized (i.e. that it is a task that will require others' intervention as well, so mentioning it at the Scriptorium will ensure that it's done more uniformly)? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
::I just looked thru your history... &quot;We haven't italicised any of the other works that have subdivisions&quot; literally the last page you edited before you came here was [[Author:William Samuel Lilly]] which had two such subdivisions... —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:26, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

== Style guide and quotation marks ==

Hi. Please read the guidance on quotation marks in [[Wikisource:Style guide]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:33, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

== Template:A ==

This is superfluous. We already have {{tl|al}} (author link). Wikisource discourages the proliferation of superfluous templates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I certainly have no objection to deleting any of them but if anything, why not {{tl|a}} over {{tl|al}}, since it's easier to type? Plus, since redirects are cheap, I don't really see the incentive to deleting any of them unless you think that something else will plausibly be named {{tl|a}}. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Wait--what?! Why did you block me? What in the world? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:As I said before. '''DO NOT RECREATE COMMUNITY DELETED CONTENT'''. When it has been deleted again, and you have been asked ''not'' to create superfluous content, do not then recreate it again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Right--I didn't. Originally, I made a template, then I made a redirect. Is there some policy against that? What are you thinking? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Originally you made a template that did what a ''previously deleted template did''. Then you created it again as a redirect ''to do exactly what the deleted content did''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Billinghurst}} It looks like Petey just left. Can you please review this? This is outrageous to me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::The block may be outrageous, but so are the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Template:A|number of templates beginning with the letter A]] that equally qualify as those to which {{tl|a}} could redirect, and thus should not be wholly dismissed in favor of this one. If you really want to use this for author links, just ask on the Scriptorium again and find some agreement first. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 07:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Mahir256}} Yeah, that's fine. There's no reason to block me under a false pretense that I recreated deleted content. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
::::It's not a false pretense. The template was deleted before, and when you created it, you would have seen a warning that you were recreating deleted content. Then after it was deleted and you were warned directly, you created the redirect to do exactly what had already been deleted twice before. In future, do not simply disregard such warnings. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Well, that's BS as I didn't recreated anything deleted. Creating something else with the same name is not the same thing--I am ashamed for you for being so rude and aggressive instead of (e.g.) deleting the redirect and posting to my talk, which is a simple thing to do (e.g. the two other persons who did so). Why you think that is the correct choice is beyond me and I think you made a stupid and bad decision that was pointless. I feel bad for others you interact with if this is how you think you should be an admin when interacting with good faith users. You already drove me away from adding a lot of content in the first place form your first bad and unjustified block, so I don't know why you make it a point to try to be hostile to me since I add value to the project. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
* {{comment}} I wouldn't have blocked you, though you do undertake actions rather casually and without reference to the style guide and practice that you know well exists, then to repeat that action does send an interesting challenge. Creating a shortcut redirect for one letter based on your preference is not helpful; especially when we have so many templates for the character &quot;a&quot; and its variations. I hate some of our shortcut templates as they lack intuitiveness for new users &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rh}} {{hws}} {{hwe}} {{hi}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are painful. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;''
* {{comment}} We also have to consider that many of the single-letter templates have different meanings on other projects. We do still get transwikied pages here, and for shorter template names, there is a higher likelihood that a template from one project will be interpreted quite differently here. There are usually good reasons behind deletions made by the community, and usually good reasons why we don't have more template redirects. It is always better to ask ''before'' making a change, rather than ''after''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

== Engine ==

You've had this explained to you more than once. Do not force yourself into being blocked again. Start a discussion if you think the Wikisource Community should change. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} What in the world are you doing? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::Undoing your tagging of Featured Works. If you don't understand I'm sorry we weren't clear: 
::* DO NOT TAG EVERY WORK ON WIKISOURCE WITH {{tl|engine}}.
::* DO NOT ALTER FEATURED TEXTS.
::I'm sorry if you're just not able to understand, but you will not be told again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Don't be an ass to me. Why should ''[[The Writings of St. Francis of Assisi]]'' &lt;ins&gt;or ''[[A Simplified Grammar of the Swedish Language]]''&lt;/ins&gt; be unsearchable? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::See above comment. And please stop pinging me. I'll consider it harassment if you continue.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::::: How is that relevant? See what I wrote above: you can stop being an ass and be a decent person instead. You lack simple judgement and even the most basic courtesy sometimes. How about you take a moment to either come up with a coherent response or just stop harassing me altogether if you can't be civil? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::: See above comment. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:13, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Please go away now--you are being harassing and rude. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:15, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

== Mixing category trees ==

Please do not mix the Author category trees with Subject category trees. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

== Bot accounts for bot edits ==

Hi.  Please don't flood RC with rapid edits.  If you need to do such things, then please get a bot account, or organise with a bureaucrat to have a temporary assignation of a flood right. Thanks. Not certain why this conversation needs to occur with an experienced editor. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} What do you have in mind? &gt;3 edits/min? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:35, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} Not sure if you saw the above. If you have a rough time estimate, that will let me know how to 1.) throttle or 2.) request the flood flag. I'm guessing something like three to six a minute. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:53, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

== Works about ==

House style is to complete this phrase in the section header for Author pages, usually with the person's surname as in &quot;Works about Brown&quot;, rather than leaving the phrase uncompleted as &quot;Works about&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:54, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Nice. Very helpful. Is this documented and I missed it? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
::See [[Help:Author pages#Works about the author]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Are we recreating this from scratch, or undeleting the edit history?

Note: Technically there are still 7 hours to go until 2019 as far as the WM servers in San Francisco are concerned. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I can't undelete, so I am recreating. I have several scans to use (see Commons) and illustrations to add still. Was the previous version from a scan or raw text? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:: Raw text. As an admin, I can undelete. But the question is whether we should do so. If you're going to work from a scan in the immediate future, then there's little point in undeleting the copy-paste edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Agreed--I don't see any value in it since it (should be???) would be identical. I'm adding illustrations from the scans and will probably do a proper index of the 1926 Knopf edition. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

:Having put the effort into the previously available works, I feel entitled to press you on this. Please create the content in the work space and transclude it when done. As with the earlier works, there is no shortage of shoddy versions of this elsewhere; we might as well do it properly. Doing this in the workspace (Page: and Index:) means you can do as little or as much as you like.  &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} I can't understand you. Can you reword this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::Sorry, try reading it again, &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} No thanks. It just seems like you're telling me to do what I'm already doing which seems like a waste. If you have new information, please let me know. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::We shall see. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 05:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Cygnis insignis}} Sure. Great talk. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Just stumbled across this exchange while mining for technical details in talk pages, wanted to say I love it - warms the heart to know I'm not the only person who...gets frustrated by talkpage messages here (and I've only been here a couple weeks! Though I'm not particularly taking sides in this dispute - just saying it's an amusing read) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 10:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Yeah, that's one way to put it. :/ Shalom/salaam/shlema yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Google to DjVu ==

Are you able to pull a Google Books (or Hathi Trust) PDF file and create a DjVu? There is one volume of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' that doesn't seem to exist on IA, but a reasonable copy created by Google exists on the Hathi Trust: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101803428]

If you have the capability to pull the PDF and generate a DjVu for Commons as [[:File:Henry VI Part 2 (1923) Yale.djvu]] it would be greatly appreciated. It's not ideal, but I cannot find a better scan.

If you cannot do this, then perhaps you know someone who might be able to do so? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:35, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Always happy to help. I can convert PDFs to DJVU, yes. I do not have a login for Hathi Trust, tho so I don't have access to the PDF original. Their site [https://www.hathitrust.org/help_digital_library#Download claims] that I don't need to be part of a member institution to download public domain works but I'm not seeing how to do this... Can you help me figure out how to get the PDF in the first place? Are you familiar with their site? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Forget it. I got it from Google Books. It will be uploaded momentarily. I assume that you'll do the work at Commons like you did with the last upload but please let me know if you need more from me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::: Setting up all the bibliographic info is a snap for me, so I can certainly do that, as long as you provide the link to the file's source. The ultimate goal is to make a full set of ''The Yale Shakespeare'' available, once all the volumes are in public domain. Xover has been transcribing the history plays, and ''2 Henry VI'' is the only one of those currently missing. Thanks again for taking on the task. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks for all the work you do here. https://books.google.com/books?id=t2BNAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PP7&amp;dq=The+second+part+of+King+Henry+the+Sixth+/+edited+by+Tucker+Brooke.&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=0ahUKEwj0gN2axdXgAhXKop4KHZ5cC7IQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

There are two more Yale Shakespeare volume in PD that do not have IA scans, but are available at books.google. Could you please process/convert/upload these to Commons? These two will be the last in the series (at least for 2019).

: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}DA2uKrVaIPIC}} -&gt; [[:File:Shakespeare's Sonnets (1923) Yale.djvu]]
: {{ext scan link|https://books.google.com/books?id{{=}}3IAEAQAAIAAJ}} -&gt; [[:File:Romeo and Juliet (1917) Yale.djvu]]

As with previous volumes, I will happily take care of adding all the file data myself, if you can accomplish the uploads. Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} {{done}}. Can you please add categories as well? Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:47, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
:: Certainly. Thanks again. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

== Peshitta ==

Following up on my WP message—I've put up [[Index:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu]] and made a start on his Gospel translation (beginning [[Page:Syrian Churches (Etheridge).djvu/283|here]]). After uploading it I realised Barnes's Psalter only has a critical apparatus and no translation.

I also uploaded:
* &quot;[[:File:Fourth Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents.djvu|4 Maccabees and kindred Syriac documents]]&quot; by Barnes which has translations of the latter though not the Peshitta
* [[:File:Syriac New Testament (Murdock).djvu|Murdock's Syriac New Testament translation]]
* [[:File:Translation of the Syriac Peshito version of the Psalms of David.djvu|Oliver's Syriac Psalter translation]]

Transcribing the original and the public domain critical Syriac editions listed at [http://syri.ac/bible syri.ac], including Barnes's, on the multilingual WS might be a good longer-term project. —[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]]) 15:14, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

== My Airships ==

Hi Koavf!! I just saw that you validated two pages from the [[Index:My Airships.djvu|My Airships]]. Could you help me with the following summaries/image list pages? Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 22:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Erick Soares3}} No, I can't--I don't have the time now. If you don't get anyone to help you for several days, you can try pinging me again but I don't want to commit to something and fail. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::Ok! Thanks, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 23:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

== Broken encoding of apostrophes in page titles ==

I found a workaround for [[phab:T178143]], thought you'd like to know. —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 02:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beleg Tâl}} Thanks. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Author%3AG._R._O%27Reilly&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=9614841&amp;oldid=7047244 saw that you closed the ticket]. Very helpful. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:21, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

== Edit warring ==

You stand in danger of being short-term blocked for edit warring on [[Template:Index transcluded/doc]]. Please desist—particularly over such a minor matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Do you have any perspective on what to do to break the impasse and make that page more accessible? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
:: My perspective is simply that at least there is a documentation page for the template. I see it as unlikely that a vision-impaired person would be accessing it. Effort would be better dedicated to those templates that have no documentation page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 05:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Aromatics and the Soul: A Study of Smells]] and chapters ==

Can you please indicate why this has been transcluded as one solid page rather than as chapters into subpages, as would be usual with such works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} It wasn't that long of a work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

== Please don't unilaterally rename templates ==

Regarding [[Special:Diff/9822207|this move]]. Please do not unilaterally rename templates like this without discussion. If you find the template's name inconvenient the correct approach is to create a redirect for it at a more convenient name. In this case, the intended usage (and what the docs use in examples to encourage users to use that) is the alias {{tlx|rvh}}. The base template was named as it was because there is a semantic difference between a hyphen and an em-dash: the former denotes a range where the latter denotes a disjoint or contrast. The template isn't for &quot;recto ''to'' verso pages&quot;, it is for &quot;recto ''vs.'' verso pages&quot;. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Then the appropriate character would have been an ndash, not an emdash. But I left behind a redirect that someone else deleted. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::My apologies; I seem to have failed to communicate my point. Your position on typography and the capabilities of your keyboard are all fine arguments for a discussion, but not particularly germane here. Please do not rename templates without prior discussion, and even then there is usually no need to do so when a redirect can address the concern. Either use an existing alias (like {{tlx|rvh}}) or create a new one that suits. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:58, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Xover}} Is there a policy on template naming that I have missed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
::::Not that I am aware of, no. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Xover}} Thanks a lot for your input. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[The Story of Mankind]] ==

Do you get a sense of déja vu? And the reasoning for this work to not be set into chapters? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:27, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? and no reason. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
::Team player. :-( — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 07:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} Man, I cannot understand you: can you please use your words and not be cryptic? I can't help you if you're not saying what you mean. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|billinghurst}} ? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:55, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
==Changes at [[The Applicability of Weber's Law to Smell]]==
The edits to {{tl|header}} I made at the above page were made in accordance with the template documentation. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC).

== Speedy template ==

The speedy template is {{tlx|sdelete}} (and, no, nobody who works a lot on other projects remember that), and there's an alias at {{tlx|db}} (from the speedy reason codes at enWP) that might be easier to recall. For pages you created yourself, G7 (Author's request) is usually the best bet (no need for the admin to do a lot of thinking or assessing policy with that one), so just slap {{tlx|db|G7}} on there.

PS. I am guessing, of course, that that's what you intended on the redirect left after the page move on Grant's memoirs, and not {{tlx|delete}}, so I'll go nuke it presently. If I misunderstood then apologies for the interruption; and please let me know if you want it undeleted. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 12:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Xover}} Excellent. Thanks! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

== Annotated editions ==

Annotated editions should have the name with (Annotated) added to the end, and not be subpages within another copy. ==[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I know that, that's how I named the page--I didn't move it. I recommend you post this on the talk page of the person who moved it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I did, but posted here as well to ensure you were aware the conversation was happening. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Ah. That wasn't clear. I'm a big fan of {{tl|ping}}, so adding me to the conversation that way would make it much easier and more intelligible. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

==Watchlisting your talkpage==
Alright, first time I've ever watchlisted a talkpage but this one is therapeutic - I forget how I got here but I ended up reading nearly all of it. &quot;OMG, stop being bold and trying things if you don't have forms filled out in triplicate authorizing you to do something!&quot;, &amp;c. Anyways, it takes all types, and in the future I may become exasperated with you, or you with me, but in the meantime...keep adding works and plugging away on tidying up where you can :) [[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 11:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Peace.salam.shalom}} Thanks for the encouragement. I always add new texts on Public Domain Day (i.e. January 1), so Wikisource is on my mind in winter. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 12:19, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Source of New Yorker scan ==

Hi! Quick question: where did the New Yorker scan come from? I'd like to extract some images from the original scan, as the ones in the PDF are quite compressed. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:48, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Inductiveload}} Which one? Just issue 1, that I uploaded or the compilation of the rest of the year, which I have broken up into individual issues on Commons over the past couple of hours? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:50, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Well, I meant the first one, but knowing where they all come from would be good, I suppose. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::I found issue one somewhere on the Web; the other issues evidently came from a Google Books scan. I have reached out to the publication to try to get a hold of Erin Overbey but no one seems to care too much about helping get hi-quality scans. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Darn, thanks anyway. Could you ping me if decent scans turn up? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 11:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Ping|Inductiveload}} 100%. One solution would probably be buying a subscription to their archives but I'm not going to do that. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 11:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Template:Watch]] ==

Hi. When adding video, would you be so kind to wrap it in this template. And to note that we have [[template:listen]] for audio files. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} I've used {{tl|listen}} (e.g. [[Optimism (Keller)]]) but not this one. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:57, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

== [[Remarks by President Biden in a CNN Town Hall with Anderson Cooper]] is CV ==

Hi. Cooper is not a federal government employee so we cannot include his works where he is co-author.  These interview type works have been decisions through CV, and if you think my deletion is incorrect then please use [[WS:CV]] to have that undeletion discussion. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 22:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

== sources and are they individual or subpages ==

Please would you add sources for these works [[special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]] per WS requirements.
{{special:prefixindex/American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet}}

Do you consider them individual documents, or are they more subpages of a parent work? To me it is conceivable that they are subpages. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|billinghurst}} &quot;add sources for these works&quot;? What? Look at [[American Rescue Plan Fact Sheet]]: it has a source. What ''doesn't'' have a source? This is a really confusing request to me. No, I don't consider them a single source only to the extent that they were all published with distinct URIs and none of them have ever been on one webpage or in one print document that I've seen. I could definitely see the contrary argument, tho. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:32, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Apologies, they weren't showing up as transcluded pages to me that has reset itself now. All good. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Eeveryone maeks misstakes. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:30, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cats &lt;= plain sister template ==

If you are linking a cat to WD, the adding {{tl|plain sister}} will pull in the interwikis. &quot;plain sister&quot; is the bit that does the work in the headers, though it is just hidden away. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 04:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
:Nice. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

== Portal:Yale Shakespeare ==

Please Stop. and Discuss. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why would you remove accessibility features and make the site more hostile to the blind? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::  I am unaware of any &quot;accessibility features&quot; in your edit, but I do see the removal of sections, which prevents section editing.  I see the addition of complex tables to format ''temporary'' content.  Please explain why this page must be organized in tables in a way that makes it hard to read for the sighted, hard to edit, and why this format must be used on this Portal and no others? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::You need to stop: you're admitting your own ignorance about table semantics. If you don't know what a table caption is, you should ask or read about it ''before'' removing it. And captions should be used on ''all'' tables. Are you going to revert yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::: Instead of answering my message, you've issued a command and belittled my intelligence.  That is not discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::You didn't answer my question and I didn't belittle your intelligence: I pointed out how you admit that you don't know what you're talking about. If you're ignorant, that's fine. Editing out of ignorance is not. If you want to learn more, see e.g. [[w:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Proper_table_captions_and_summaries]]. Now please stop being rude and answer my questions. I suggest you revert yourself and stop abusing your user rights. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::: The page you have directed me to is a Wikipedia style page.  It does not explain accessibility, but states best practice according to Wikipedia's MoS.  If you believe that Wikisource should adopt this Wikipedia policy, then please propose it.  Wikipedia policies have no weight here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} No, you are incorrect: as that page explicitly states per WCAG guidelines: [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 data tables need captions] and this is a simple thing to do that provides high value for the blind. Did you read this page from the W3C or not? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: How could I have read the page ''before'' you asked me to do so?  I see nothing to support your assertion that captions must be used.  Also, this is not a data table, but a layout table, and the page you have pointed me to says &quot;If a table is used for layout, the caption element is not used.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} It is not a layout table, it is a data table. And I directed you to the Wikipedia page ''which cites the WCAG''. You had every chance to read the sources that make it explicitly clear that you should use table captions. You also seem to not know what a data table is, so please revert yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: Wikipedia's policies have no bearing on Wikisource.  I read the WCAG page you pointed me to, and it does not support your assertions.  If there is a page that does support your assertions, please point to it and quote the portion that you believe supports your view.  I have been unable to find such justification.  You are again belittling my intelligence.  Please desist, or I will have to raise the issue of your personal attacks.  Such behavior is inappropriate.  The list on the Portal is ''not'' a data table, and the tables themselves are purely temporary.  As the works are verified the links are removed; and once an entire section has been completely (or almost completely) validated, the table formatting will be removed entirely.  The tables exist solely for layout and are purely temporary. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I never said that Wikipedia policies are incumbent upon Wikisource: please re-read what I wrote. See the bottom of [https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20081211/H39 this page] which gives a simple flow chart for deciding when to use table captions: since this is a data table (not a layout table as you claimed) it needs a caption. See also the other citations at the page where I already directed you: &quot;Ensure table captions are provided explicitly&quot;. Accessibility Management Platform (AMP). San Francisco, California: SSB BART Group. 2015. &quot;Best Practices&quot; section. Retrieved 13 July 2015. GSA Schedule 70. Cites multiple standards besides WCAG, including: JIS X 8341-3: 2004 - Technical Standards Subpart 5; KWCAG; 47 CFR 14. Advanced Communication Services, §14.21 Performance Objectives; HHS HTML 508 Checklist; and US Telecommunications Act Accessibility Guidelines 1193.41–43.&quot; Note also that you keep on reverting to a [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:The_Yale_Shakespeare&amp;oldid=11180521 version of the page] that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=2441 lacks header identification information for the column and row scopes] and that [https://www.webaccessibility.com/resource-library/best-practice/?bestPractice=941 includes blank headers]. Your allegation that it isn't a data table is plainly false. I am not claiming that you are unintelligent but that you are simply ignorant: you don't know what you're talking about. If you keep on asserting that it isn't a data table when that is exactly what it is, I would have to assume that you're either uninformed or at some point, if you keep on saying it once you know better, you are lying. In neither case do I think you are unintelligent. As this ''is'' a data table and ''not'' a layout table as you have falsely claimed, please revert yourself and stop making edits that make our site more difficult for blind users. If you don't understand the distinction between a data and layout table, then I suggest that you please stop asserting that one is the other. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 03:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
: I read all pages that you pointed me to.  If the information was actually on some other page I should have read, then I didn't see it.  I read the pages you asked me to read.  You assume that because I disagree with you that I must be ignorant, lying, etc. The flowchart step 1 on the WCAG page you keep referring to states: &quot;determine whether the content has a relationship with other content in '''both''' its column and its row&quot; (emphasis added).  There are no vertical relationships in the table in question.  Each row is independent of the others, without relation, so the table fails to qualify as a data table.
: I also point out that in your second comment in this thread, you said &quot;captions should be used on ''all'' tables&quot;, but this is flatly refuted by the very page you pointed me to, which says that captions should ''not'' be used on layout tables.  If you would start by admitting you were in error, perhaps we could proceed? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
::{{ping|EncycloPetey}} Data tables are distinguished from tables used for the layout of a page. These are data tables. See, e.g. [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/HTML/Tables/Advanced this guide from MDN] on how to use column and row scopes as well as captions for data tables (i.e. not tables that are incorrectly used for layout). [https://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/webd2/student/unit2/module5/lesson1.html Here] is another very basic example of a data table: each row shows information &quot;independent&quot; of the other rows but they are arranged in a tabular fashion: this is a data table and is obviously ''not'' a layout table. Since layout tables ''shouldn't exist at all'', then yes, I assumed that we would use proper semantics, best practices, and CSS for positioning elements, since that is its purpose. I suppose that if someone were incorrectly using a table for layout on Wikisource, then it shouldn't have a caption but it also shouldn't exist in the first place. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

== Re:Non-breaking spaces ==

I always remove non-breaking spaces because I can’t see the point of having them. What is the reason for their existence? --[[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 00:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Kathleen.wright5}} They keep a phrase that should be on one line from wrapping around multiple lines. If you have:{{br}} &quot;He was ranked No.&amp;nbsp;3{{br}}in the world competition&quot;{{br}}that is better than{{Br}}&quot;He was ranked No.{{br}}3 in the world competition&quot;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

== Annotated works at Wikibooks ==

Hi, I am quite excited to see your work at WB, [[b:Annotations_to_The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I’m really interested in doing Annotated copies of WS books and have been trying to get an idea of how it might work. I’ve had a go with [[Economic Sophisms]] and it was imported to [[b:Economic Sophisms|WB]] which proved to be a novel exercise for QuiteUnusual. I am not very tech minded and have been stalled by the challenge. 

I would like to proofread [[The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist]]. I am working on a Project Gutenberg [[User:Zoeannl/PG_Proofreaders_Guidelines|Proofreading guide]], do you mind if I proofread according to this standard? e.g. [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]] 

Have you any thoughts on alternative ways to format annotated texts? It would seem quite easy to link your notes to the original WS page scans? The other example I have found is [[b:Annotations_to_James_Joyce%27s_Ulysses/Telemachus/003|Annotations to Ulysses]] which has the original text included. I hope you still have interest in this project, Cheers, [[User:Zoeannl|Zoeannl]] ([[User talk:Zoeannl|talk]]) 02:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Zoeannl}} I could not be more happy that you wrote me. As you can see from my edit history, I've recently been working on [[What_to_the_Slave_Is_the_Fourth_of_July%3F_(annotated)]] and that lead me to take a look at other annotated editions to see how they are done. We have very few here and in spite of that, there is no one way to do them. I have chosen a certain style on the work I just linked because I like a mix of inline links, citations, and annotations as being separate things that mean something different. E.g. I may include an inline link to Wiktionary for a word that is obscure, a reference for something that is cited (like a Bible passage or quoting Shakespeare), and an annotation for anything else that is unclear or could use some context.
:I'm assuming that you've already seen [[Wikisource:Annotations]] but if not, I recommend it. For a unique way to do it, I'd recommend taking a look at [[Strivings of the Negro People]] and [[Strivings of the Negro People/Annotated]]. The nice thing about the way this is done is that there is just one text and it is transcluded into another page with new content in it. So there is no need to proofread twice or copy and paste changes to the original over and over again, etc. I would recommend you maybe consider this format because it could save you some time. If that method seems confusing or weird at first, let me know and I'd be happy to help you.
:Real treat to hear from you and to see someone else interested in annotations and the work that I started ''years'' ago and have yet to finish. I'm happy for you to edit according to any standard that you think is appropriate: note that I've also added in an edit after yours to [[Page:The_Autobiography_of_a_Catholic_Anarchist.djvu/1]]: it's a collaborative effort. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 06:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons ==

As a more experienced user, and with reference to [[WS:H#Transferring Index Files Deleted from Commons|this help request]], can you help with transferring the two files mentioned at that help request section from Commons to here under {{tl|PD-EdictGov}}? It seems that [[Special:Upload]] don't work if the file exists on Commons (even if it is to be deleted), and time is quite tight: only 2 days are given for transferal.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 13:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|廣九直通車}} It looks like they have been uploaded with new names. You can do two things: 1.) you can wait until the Commons files are deleted and then move the local copies to their old names or 2.) leave the files where they are but move all of the indices and pages so that their names are in sync. In the future, this can be resolved by using [[Special:Import]], for users that have the proper user rights (which I don't here but I do have at [[:s:mul:]]). Let me know if there's anything else you need and happy 2022! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:20, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advice. I was later found mislead by insufficient information provided on [[c:COM:Namibia]], as it is found that Namibian copyright law did have provision that releases laws into their local public domain.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 09:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Brilliant! All's well that ends well and I learned something about Namibian law in the process! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

== Non-breaking dashes ==

What should be done with this?

* ill-judged

[[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:43, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Valjean}} Great question! Try &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Nowrap|ill-judged}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Will do. Thanks. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

== American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets without indices ==

Hi! I noticed that [[:Category:Page transclusions that refer to missing Index pages]] contains a number of American Jobs Plan Fact Sheets from April 2021. It looks like you uploaded the files and created the pages in April, but you didn't create the corresponding indices. So, this message is a reminder, and a suggestion that you do that. (Also, I've made and proofread [[Index:American Jobs Plan State Fact Sheet FL.pdf]], if you'd like to validate it.) Cheers! —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 09:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{Ping|CalendulaAsteraceae}} Thanks. As you can see, at the time, I was uploading several videos and documents per day, spending hours on en.ws documenting the new administration and around day 100, I just got burnt out. I need to go back and fix up things, as well as restart the uploading and transcribing. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::Legit! I certainly have a number of slow-moving projects myself. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 18:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::The missing indexes leaves these pages completely broken (it just throws a big red error message at our readers), so fixing these as a priority would be a good thing.
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Hawaii]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Idaho]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Illinois]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Indiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Iowa]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kansas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Kentucky]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Louisiana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maine]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Maryland]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Massachusetts]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Michigan]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Minnesota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Mississippi]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Missouri]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Montana]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nebraska]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Nevada]]&lt;/s&gt;
::* &lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Hampshire]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Jersey]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New Mexico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in New York]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in North Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Ohio]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oklahoma]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Oregon]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Pennsylvania]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Puerto Rico]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Rhode Island]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Carolina]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in South Dakota]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Tennessee]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Texas]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Utah]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Vermont]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Washington]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in West Virginia]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wisconsin]]&lt;/s&gt;
::*&lt;s&gt;[[American Jobs Plan Fact Sheet: The Need for Action in Wyoming]]&lt;/s&gt;
::[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

This long national nitemare is finally over. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 10:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

== Alternative voice example in {{tl|em text}} ==

Hi,

I wanted to ask about the first example of when {{em text|not}} to use the template. The example is confusing to me: In both sentences the speaker is stressing the italicized the word—in the first sentence to emphasize that something is atypical or important about ''that'', and in the second sentence to highlight their uncertainty. I would use the {{tl|em text}} template in both cases.

I think a better example of changing to alternative voice would be, for example, switching between formal and casual speech. Something like &quot;Buy our toy kiddos, it's the coolest! ''This ad was brought to you by UltraCorp Inc.''&quot;

Note that I'm not a native English speaker so I wanted to make sure before editing. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:20, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Alnaling}} Good point. I'll change it to make it clearer. Again, great work in these semantics. May I ask what your native tongue is? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:24, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. I speak Polish natively. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 07:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
:::Dziękuję, friend. Great work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 07:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

== Unify {{tl|b}} and {{tl|bold}}? ==

Hi, I was recently a bit confused that {{tl|b}} does not redirect to {{tl|bold}}, unlike {{tl|i}} that redirects to {{tl|italic}}. I've looked at it and it seems that there aren't many uses of {{tl|b}} (and the majority of them is a misuse for heading) so maybe it could be unified to be more consistent? And if we want to retain a template alias for triple quotes, it could be under a name that better conveys the &quot;draws attention to&quot; semantics (maybe ''brandish''?). [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 13:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

:I don't think we can unify them, as &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, and a CSS text width of &lt;code&gt;bold&lt;/code&gt; are not identical in meaning, even if they look the same. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::I didn't mean to unify them in this sense. I've meant to change {{tl|b}} to redirect to {{tl|bold}} and move the existing code for {{tl|b}} under a new, better name. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 16:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry. I have used &quot;[x] text&quot; sometimes. E.g. {{tl|em}} and {{tl|em text}}. I am still hesitant to think that {{tl|b}} should redirect to {{tl|bold}}, but I can see your argument, for sure. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I think matching HTML names makes sense for newer tags that have reasonable names like &lt;code&gt;em&lt;/code&gt; or &lt;code&gt;strong&lt;/code&gt;, but &lt;code&gt;b&lt;/code&gt; is a terrible name, only kept for backward compatibility reasons. Maybe {{tl|bhtml}} similar to {{tl|qhtml}} would also make sense. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 18:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sometimes I do &quot;[x]html&quot; (note that I made {{tl|qhtml}}). But I'm not sure that &quot;B&quot; is any worse than &quot;I&quot;. It's ''good'' to have some short template names. I use {{tl|C}} a lot. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

== Juvenile Delinquency Testimony ==

FYI, once I get all the pages OCR'd and the formatting put in (lots of smallcaps, speaker's names), I plan on doing a run through the whole thing and adding the {{tl|nop}}s with the script. Right now I only have the left hand pages created for most of it. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

:If you think it's a real concern I can change the headers to use {{tl|uc}} throughout, I just really wasn't worrying about it (it only really matters if someone cut-pastes the text, afaik, which seems unlikely since headers aren't transcluded). [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::Actually looking closer at the type, I think those are {{larger|{{asc|Juvenile Delinquency}}}} (larger-asc) from the shape of the letters. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Do your thing. That edit was a one-off. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, and thanks for the reply. I'm not actually reading (proofing) the thing, because it would be boring as hell, lol, just getting formatting it as something fairly mindless while listening to podcasts. [[User:Jarnsax|Jarnsax]] ([[User talk:Jarnsax|talk]]) 21:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

== Wikidata IP block ==

Hello, I am wondering whether it would be possible (and appropriate) for you to give my alt account [[User:Beleg Âlt]] &quot;IP block exempt&quot; status on Wikidata. When I am using my alt account, my Internet is usually routed via Azure, which is globally blocked as an open proxy. I hope that I am trustworthy enough to be permitted this access :) (I've already given my alt this status on enWS, but editing enWS without Wikidata access is rather limiting as I'm sure you are aware) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 18:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

:I've seen your name around many times, so I'm inclined to say yes, but I'm wondering a little why me and why make the request here? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
::Because you are the only Wikidata admin whose name I recognize as active on enWS, and because I will probably forget when I get home and am able to make the request on Wikidata directly (since enWS is the only project where I have IP block exempt status on this account) :) —[[User:Beleg Âlt|Beleg Âlt]] {{sup/s|class=}}[[User:Beleg Tâl|BT]]{{sup/e}} ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Thanks for all you do. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 22:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Good morning! Can I trouble you for Global IP block exempt status on my main account [[User:Beleg Tâl]] also? Much obliged :)  —[[User:Beleg Tâl|Beleg Tâl]] ([[User talk:Beleg Tâl|talk]]) 14:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:Can do, but to be clear, the instructions on [[:d:Special:UserRights/Beleg_Tâl]] include the line &quot;If you intend to add IP block exemption to an account, please consider asking a CheckUser to verify the need.&quot; Are you okay with this, knowing that I would inform CUs, i.e. I'm willing to give you the right, but I will also post to [[:d:Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser]]. Let me know and I'll pull the trigger. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:05, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

== Technical advancements ==

To get a deletion request from the legendary Koavf could be said to be a great honor. :) It's good to see you again; if you'll remember I'm PseudoSkull from your not-so-distant past at Wiktionary.

Almost all of the edits I make to Wikisource are the product of a large software project I've been working tirelessly on for almost a year, and that will take many more years to fully perfect. I'm working on ways to streamline the proofreading process and make it faster, easier, more effective, and cleaner. I try and keep it as close to best practices as possible. The editing process I'm using right now is entirely a power-user thing, but due to my observations and feedback about Wikisource's editing challenges through this very technology, the frontend (ProofreadPage itself, our local handling of Wikidata work/version data, and the transclusion process) is finally seeing some badly-needed improvements being realized over time, thanks especially to the genius work of CalendulaAsteraceae in this area.

I spend almost all of my extra time every day transcribing old books and movies for Wikisource; it's an interest I take very seriously...perhaps too seriously, but that's another story. The line between an addiction and just life is not so distinct online I guess...

If there is an issue with some of the software and templates I develop for transcriptions, it might be better to ask me about it individually before starting a Proposed deletion, because likelihood is I will not even disagree with your feelings on the approach... In this particular case, there happened to be a better alternative that I didn't think of at the time I developed the individual-template model with auxTOCs, and it took your nudge to remind me to look for an improvement. And go figure, today's improvement actually worked! That's something I wasn't expecting, what a miracle... I'd consider that a huge win, and I partially have you to thank for that.

But anyway, I'd ask that you give me personal feedback and if it's something I should fix I will, or at least we could come up with some kind of compromise. I don't want a technical issue—15,000 lines of code and 4 hours of transcription with no breaks later—to be framed as &quot;you failed, SnowyCinema!!! Shame on you! Delete!&quot; That probably wasn't how you intended it to come across—you probably weren't aware of the large scope of this operation and maybe just assumed I was a new user unaware of general wiki practices (I did change my username again after all)—but a deletion discussion framed like this implies that a contributor was wholly incorrect for making a wrong template and puts ''all'' of their work ''collectively'' in a negative light.

If we still fundamentally disagreed after a few discussion comments, I'd have no problem with a PD discussion after the fact, because the disagreement after full understanding in both parties would justify that more. But more likely, I would improve the approach per your suggestions and make the requested changes to existing works.

Plus it'd be nice to catch up once in a while. Let's talk instead of debate...unless we have to. Happy editing! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Nice to hear from you, ol' FakeHead. Yes, of course I didn't mean to offend or hurt feelings or what have you and I did not want to make you feel personally attacked or criticized. re: your workflow, I recall that yesterday, I happened to see [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Spider_Boy_(1928).pdf/17&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14122183 this mistaken use] of {{tl|sc}} and I thought to myself several hours later, &quot;I wonder if that work has other pages like that with errant small caps?&quot; and looked at the index to see that I was shocked that it had been fully transcribed. I poked around several pages and saw that it was well done, too (but I didn't validate any pages--I was a little too busy for that). The only shortcoming I saw, which is admittedly pretty trivial, is that the footers are lacking &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{C|[{{old style|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;var&gt;x&lt;/var&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;]}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; for page numbers, but I was again too busy to bother with that. Great work, SC. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:: Yes, and incidentally that smallcaps issue was due to a transcription misconfiguration on my part, (it was supposed to be &quot;beg=n&quot; aka &quot;beginning = no formatting&quot;, not &quot;beg=sc&quot; :( and I fixed all other instances of this as soon as you recognized it initially), but thank you! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt;! —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Old Style ==

If you want, I will start a discussion about limiting the use of the Old Style template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

:No, I'm good after the last discussion. What is there to discuss that wasn't discussed the last time? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::There was consider opposition to its overuse and misuse during the deletion discussion for the template.  It isn't meant for random use where the font is irrelevant. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's already in use on this work and has been for years. Please stop undoing both the consistent use of old style (which is used selectively and not overused or misused) as well as the other changes. There is no reason to randomly change the styling on a per-page basis that has been established for years on this work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
::::I created those pages today; they have not been in place &quot;for years&quot;.  The pages created by the primary editor over the past month make no use of the template.  There is also ''no'' discussion page establishing the template as part of the work's style. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::I didn't write that those two pages have been around for years, I wrote that the general transcription project of the work has been and as you likely know, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Hawaii%27s_Story_by_Hawaii%27s_Queen.pdf/15&amp;action=history it has used old style numbers in the table of contents for years] as well as on other pages. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I do not understand.  I thought you insisted on using old style because it replicates the original.  However, you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:Hm? E.g.? &lt;ins&gt;Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic.&lt;/ins&gt;—[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I ceased editing because I'm waiting for you to explain yourself. Please clarify what you mean with some diffs or even basic context because I have no clue what your post means. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I have no clue what your occult message means and you refuse to explain it, I'm going to keep on doing what I've been doing. If you have anything substantial to say, I'm all ears. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 00:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} &quot;you are making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original.&quot; How so? Please provide a diff(s) to make your comment less cryptic. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== The Philosophical Review ==

This is a work-based category being cleared prior to deletion.  Wikisource established by consensus that we do not categorize subpages of works into a category for that work.  Such categories are eligible for speedy deletion under [[WS:CSD]] G8.  Please desist your reversions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Can you please explain what you meant in the above cryptic message? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::You are reverting good edits.  Please stop.  The edits were good. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Your message in ''this'' thread is not cryptic. Your message ''above'' that I have mentioned multiples as being cryptic is cryptic. Please explain ''that''. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but your previous message was too cryptic for me to understand that. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Never communicate like that with me. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

[edit conflict] I will note that the EB1911 categories are a special case or work-based category.  No decision has been made to delete them; they are being kept, at least for now.  There may be one or two others that are not coming to mind. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. Please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:UGANDA AND THE EGYPTIAN SOUDAN.djvu]] ==

Can you have a look over this, it seems to have an odd formating that was casuing lints? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 07:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I don't see these issues. I searched the index and its CSS on every lint errors page with no results and have been poking thru individual pages. Where are you seeing this? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
: pp. 1 to 36. I sat down and delinted myself.  However, the previous contributor may have have been unfamiliar with certain conventions used on this project. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Unfortunately, I've seen edits by this user that give me pause as well. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::: Well I've left them 2 hopefully polite notes to consider how other users are formatting, perhaps you could consider giving them pointers (that weren't in the welcome message) about how English Wikisource formats things? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:32, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll offer, but I have had concerns about this account(s) and no one else seems to much care: [[Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Possible_sockpuppet_accounts]]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::: Who has local checkuser, I found another account editing roughly the same works - [[Special:Contributions/BellaAber]]? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 14:45, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&amp;group=checkuser&amp;wpsubmit=&amp;wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&amp;limit=1000 no local CheckUsers]. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 14:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Please do not ever claim &quot;established style&quot; in future, if you are going to disregard the same claim when made by others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:What style was changed? Also, why do you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AUGANDA_AND_THE_EGYPTIAN_SOUDAN.djvu%2F9&amp;oldid=prev&amp;diff=14563269 keep on inserting inaccuracies in your validated page]? How is it ''better'' to keep on including wrong things on the page? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::''What'' inaccuracies? For someone who complains about cryptic remarks, you sure make a lot of them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:29, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Does the page say &quot;BY THE&quot; (as I validated it) or &quot;'BY THE&quot; (as you validated it)? Please link to another purportedly cryptic comment I made. Also, please answer the question I asked you above. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If there is a single stray quote, then remove the single stray quote.  All the other changes are inappropriate, unnecessary, unhelpful, and against established style.  And if the problem is just a stray extra quote mark, then say &quot;there is a superfluous quote mark&quot; rather than making a cryptic statement and reverting. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::#What style was changed?
:::::#When was I making edits that explicitly prevent the text from doing things present in the original?
:::::It seems like you're in the business of just blindly reverting without paying any attention to the actual changes made. Please correct me if I'm wrong and please answer the two questions I just asked you (again). —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

== wikisource files at commons ==

I do several things there with source images for books that I learned from [[User:Hesperian|Hesperian]]'s example.  Putting the images into a category that was specific to the publication was one of the big ones.  Commons gets images from different publications (Paris and Toronto are usually the places) from the same year.  So, Hesperian would put the images into categories with the publishers name.  I rarely do this because of duplicate publications, but I encountered so many Flickr images from the book I was doing, that I try to put them into categories where a bot would not upload Flickr crap into.  

Also, God's Man is an unnervingly general phrase.

I am kind of unhappy with that move there.  Other than that, how is life treating you?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:To be clear, it's &quot;Gods' Man&quot;, not &quot;God's Man&quot;. I'm not familiar with any other works by that name. Life is treating me well, tho I recently lost my wallet like an idiot and am suffering some of the fallout of my stupidity. I am generally looking forward to 2025, which is the first time in several years where the new year seems positive. Yourself? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

::Truly, my peak with spelling and grammar was in 8th grade.  I came back to mention also that commons is for all of the wiki, not just en:w and that gutenberg uploads occur frequently (300px, medium sized in the old days, small today) and just keeping all of the images from this one publication in one place is such a good reason for so many other reasons.  Hesperian's experience was with en:w, commons, and en:s making this person a good one to follow.  My experience as been with commons, en:s, and wd.  It is good to understand more than one wiki.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Sorry, but I may not understand what the point was of this thread. Is there some action you need from me? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 17:23, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:::: Someone at commons with your user name moved the files for Gods' Man, fixing the apostrophe but losing the author last name and the year.  Hence, the words here about everything I learned from there and here about category names.  I really thought that you were the person to have moved them so I did not provide background information.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::I did move it. There's nothing wrong with the move. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:23, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

== Thanks and Invitation to the WDOGE  ==

Your contributions of primary sources are appreciated, being on a wide variety of topics philosophic, religious, and historical.  Also your constructive improvements on author pages for both [[Author:Joe Biden|Joe Biden]] and [[Author:Donald Trump|Donald Trump]].

You are invited to contribute to the &quot;Wiki Discourse on Government Efficiency&quot;, an original research project at [[v:User:Jaredscribe/Department_of_Government_Efficiency]], and soon to go to mainspace.

And to a colloquy on the project at:
[[Wikiversity:Colloquium#Research_Guidelines_for_the_new_Wiki_of_Government_Efficiency]]

Kind regards, [[User:Jaredscribe|Jaredscribe]] ([[User talk:Jaredscribe|talk]]) 00:42, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, Jared. Not sure that it's in my future, but I appreciate the kind words and invitation. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== Dashiell Hammett ==

I see that you have added the index for The Dain Curse. Are you planning to do much work on that ? I am currently workung my way through Red Harvest, and will try to get on to The Dain Curse after that. I did [[Black Lives]] which was the first of the individual stories that were combined into The Dain Curse. I just need to get around to tidying up the image an initial letter. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not, no. Any effort you want to put into it would be greatly appreciated. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 05:59, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

== The Magic Island ==

I take it that this a volume you're keen to work on? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:Not particluarly. I just uploaded the PDF to Commons, so I happened to notice when someone made the index, etc. I'm happy to patch up some bits and do a few pages, but I don't anticipate putting forth a lot of time on this.&lt;ins&gt; That's why I gave a heads up to the two editors I saw working on the scan that the images had been cropped out, to empower them and collaborate more than take over or drive it.&lt;/ins&gt; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 01:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== mul:WS ==

We don't seem to have a page &quot;Help:mul Wikisource&quot; or anything similar.  Would you be willing to write up something in broad strokes explaining what it is, about what it hosts, moving things there, and possible points of contact, etc., so that we could refer people to it? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:11, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

:Of course. Good idea. Thanks for asking. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
::Having the page will be very useful.  Thanks for getting it started. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks for having the idea; Teamwork makes the dream work. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:48, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== Image alts for Gay-Neck  ==

If you'd like to add &quot;alt=&quot;, the complete set of images are located at [[:commons:Category:Gay-Neck, the Story of a Pigeon]], and all have been added to the work.  The illuminated initial letters all have alt values already, so that the text will display, but the other images may lack them.  Each filename includes the page number where it appears within the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Can do. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

For illuminated initials, I would this [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Gay-Neck,_the_story_of_a_pigeon_1927_(IA_gayneckstoryofpi00muke).djvu/19&amp;curid=4763881&amp;diff=14977400&amp;oldid=14929455 this version] would be ''less'' helpful to readers.  Since, if they have images deactivated for reading, they will read:

: A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.

Which will not be a good way to start reading the chapter. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:They may have images deactived or otherwise not able to view them for a variety of reasons. What if someone is blind? Or has bandwidth restrictions? The alt text provides contextual information that explains what someone who is seeing the image would get from it. If you want to change it, I agree that hearing out loud &quot;Tee he city of Calcutta...&quot; is maybe more clear than &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephant he city of Calcutta&quot;, but it makes for better alt text. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::If someone is blind or autistic, and is using text-to-speech, then it will read aloud: &quot;A stylized &quot;T&quot; insert into a drawing of a man riding an elephanthe city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Which again, is ''less'' helpful than hearing simply &quot;The city of Calcutta, which boasts of a million people, must have at least two million pigeons.&quot;  Text-to speech should connect T-he correctly because there is no space. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm not familiar with the relationship between autism and screen-readers, so I can't speak to that and I'm only a little more knowledgeable on the blind. If you want to revert or otherwise change the alt text on those decorative first letters, I wouldn't object. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 18:49, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I am going to revert on the initial letters.  If you think a strong case can be made for them, we can have a general discussion in the Scriptorium, but I think legibility of the text for users of text-to-speech is preferable to alt-descriptions of illuminations that impede understanding. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Prophet ==

Is [[Index:The Prophet - Gibran - 1923.djvu]] not a duplicate of [[Index:Kahlil Gibran - The Prophet (1926 edition, Knopf).pdf]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yeah, no clue why someone else made that index, especially since the DJVu is not an original printing, but one from at least 1934. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Inductiveload}}, why does this index exist? Is there a reason to have this scan transcribed? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::So, OK to delete the DjVu Index and pages as redundant?  Note that Inductiveload has not edited here for nearly two years. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I guess. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 16:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

== CSS problems ==

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, unless user subpages don't take index.css, or styles.css.

Also, I don't know if I need to use [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox/index.css]] or Sandbox/styles.css, so I made both, but neither seems to have any effect. I've tried a few simple code modifications, but to no avail. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 06:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Xaxafrad}} can you explain more what you're trying to do? What is it you want to have happen in your browser? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::I want to add the dots in this [[Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/7|table of contents]]. I have my [[User:Xaxafrad/Sandbox|sandbox]] set up to test out the changes (and they're really close), as I want to move from a handwritten table to the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{TOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template family. There's an expanded TOC starting on [[Page:The Urantia Book, 1st Edition.djvu/13|this page]], which I hadn't even seriously considered the logistics of upgrading until now...and which might be covered by the existing templates without modification. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 00:03, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, I spent a couple of hours at it and got nothing useful. I think I've met my match. Sorry. :/ —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks for giving it a shot. [[User:Xaxafrad|Xaxafrad]] ([[User talk:Xaxafrad|talk]]) 08:40, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::&lt;nowiki&gt;:/&lt;/nowiki&gt;
:::::Thanks for being so diligent yourself. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 08:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

== What? ==

{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} Why in the world would you block me? For [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this]? Validating the page ''you'' proofread? What is wrong with the edit?

{{tl|unblock|no reason to be blocked in the first place, admin abusing tools and not paying attention.}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:Explained above, and in the original edit comment.  In future, please do not deliberately break the formatting of pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::What is broken in that edit? Those two revs display exactly identically. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::See https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122674 and https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678
:::What is &quot;broken&quot; formatting here? {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::The biggest break is (1) the '''central divide''' is the wrong height, and the wrong width.
::::The fact that a change displays correctly on your computer is never a guarantee that it will work on other people's computers.  Please listen when other editors tell you something is wrong, instead of insisting that you are right.
::::You also:
::::(2) '''misused the running header''' template, while applying a completely unnecessary div tag, all to avoid using an explicit table, in favor of a running header (''which is also a table'') for no apparent reason.
::::We have previously discussed that style changes are a matter a precedence, in which you should defer to the original editor, and not force through your own preferences. 
::::You misused a template, and broke the formatting.  None of the other changes you made were necessary, but all were style choices.  All of these things are considered inappropriate on Wikisource, and you have been here long enough to be aware of this. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::With regard to your edit comment question: &quot;why on Earth would you remove validation {{...}} ?&quot;
::::When you made the multiple changes in the same edit as validation, your validation is then continent on having those edits take effect.  Reversing the edits to correct problems on the page means also reversing the validation.  To keep the validation while undoing the edits would be inappropriate.
::::With regard to closing &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; tags, the self-closing aspect is being dropped in the latest version of HTML.  XHTML is now obsolete, and there is zero benefit to retaining obsolete markup, which was replaced by the HTML Living Standard.  See [https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element this page] for the current standard for the tag. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:59, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::You are again playing games. You blocked me after an edit that was not made to the material at the bottom of the page. As I have already asked you multiple times, you did [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15122678 this inappropriate rollback] to undo [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page, which renders identically to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:He_who_gets_Slapped_(1949).djvu/7&amp;direction=prev&amp;oldid=15122678 this rev] of the page. I am asking you one more time: what is &quot;broken&quot; about my last revision to that page, which you blocked me for and for which you abused rollback? All of the other issues can be discussed ''after'' you answer the question you are making me ask repeatedly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::The fact that you made additional edits between the time that I discovered your revert, in order to check the Wikisource blocking policy, and then blocked you, is immaterial.  I have explained what action led to you being blocked.  I have also given a detailed response above to multiple questions you have asked both here and in your edit summaries.
::::::I have explained at [[WS:AN]] that I did not intend to rollback.  There is an unfortunate fact that in the side-by-side edit comparison window both undo and rollback at at almost the same location.  And with rollback, there is never a dialogue box to confirm to avoid a mis-click.  I apologize for accidentally hitting rollback instead of undo. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::It's not clear to me why you even undid/accidentally-misclick-rollbacked the last edit ''at all''. How is the library better for ''removing'' a link to the translator, as our documentation recommends we insert? Maybe someone could consider that vandalizing the library by making it worse?
:::::::In MediaWiki, &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; is converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt;, so adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; creates more work for the servers, which maybe someone could consider vandalism, since it puts further strain on the library to function properly. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 20:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you have evidence for your claim about the break tag, and that it is a concern, then please provide that evidence. I am going by the current Living Standard for HTML from the official website for that standard, and by what User:Xover has told me about the functioning of MediWiki. I used to include the closing slash myself in the br-tag, but changed my editing because a skilled coder and admin here recommended that I change my editing practices and provided the necessary evidence.
::::::::In return, please explain how inserting a template {{tl|br}} (which you created) reduces the work servers must do when all it does is create a line break. Template calls increase the work the servers do, so if that is your motivating concern, then the template should not be used.
::::::::If you could please point me to the place where it is recommended to link to a translator in the body of a title page, when that link is already in the header, please provide it.  Then explain why you are not adding such links on the title pages of the works you have transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Per [[:w:en:Help:Line-break_handling]]:
::::::::::The MediaWiki software uses any of them for a single forced line break. All of them are converted to &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; in the HTML that browsers read.
:::::::::You can confirm this by viewing the source of a page.
:::::::::[[Wikisource:Wikilinks]] encourages internal links in pages. Not only does local documentation encourage internal links, it encourages [[Wikisource:Red link guidelines|red links]] and says that those should not be removed:
::::::::::A red link that links to a work, author or other page that could be added in the future should be left alone if that page cannot be created in the present.
:::::::::So unless you think that only redlinks shouldn't be removed and that blue links ''should be''...?
:::::::::As for why I don't do it: I'm not obliged to do it, but I'm also not ''actively removing'' links that someone else adds. Those are two different things. So again, why did you undo what I did in my most recent edit to that page? Since the two render identically and you just remove a link that should be there, what benefit is there to anyone for the rollback you did? How is the library better off for that edit? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:09, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::I acknowledge what [[w:en:Help:Line-break_handling:]] says about conversion, but I do not see any evidence about creating more work for the servers.  Nor do I know that the advice on the page is current; it is not unusual for advice on pages to become out of date.  I also did not receive a reply from you about the {{tl|br}} template.  This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.
::::::::::Issues about red links do not apply here; you did not add a red link.  Nor does the passage you reference advise linking to the translator, but the section above on &quot;Unintended emphasis&quot; does apply here, as putting the name of the translator in the center of a page into a different color from the rest of the test on the page gives that link unintended emphasis. Such emphasis is ''dis''couraged. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::&quot;This was a question in my previous message that you did not respond to.&quot; I have asked you the same question repeatedly and you have ignored it repeatedly. Interesting that you point out this here. Using native MediaWiki is better than raw HTML when possible because it's easier for editors to understand and use. Once more: &quot;How is the library better off for that edit?&quot; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::So, you are claiming that {{tl|br}} is &quot;easier for editors to understand and use&quot; than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; on what basis?  This is dodging the question by making an unsupported claim.
::::::::::::I assume that (although you did not respond) that you agree with the principal of unintended emphasis. Thus, removing unintended emphasis, aside from the simpler syntax of the br tag, and elimination of a superfluous set of template calls, makes the library better.  This was implied in my previous message, but I make that explicit now for you. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I didn't dodge your question: I answered it. ''That'' is the reason why I did what I did. You asked me to support a claim that I didn't make (which you phrased as a command, not a question) and then you get upset at the justification for something I never wrote. It's just weird behavior. Why does it take asking the same question six times over the course of a day to get a straight answer from you? Why is it you don't just admit that you abused rollback? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 21:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

===Block===

Reverting edits to forms which you have been told are not displaying correctly is vandalism.  You have deliberately made a page break.  You have been blocked for three days.  Please do not deliberately break formatting in future. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Details at [[WS:AN#User:Koavf deliberately breaking page format]] --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:15, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:You are being deceptive [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=15122695 here], as you blocked me after a ''different'' rev which ''did not do what you claim''. You also abused rollback ''again'' after doing so [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Administrators%27_noticeboard&amp;oldid=14465397#Misuse_of_rollback_by_an_admin months ago]. See above for my question which is about the purported broken formatting. {{Ping|EncycloPetey}} —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Please do not accuse others of deception.  You yourself have just moved this section below your &quot;What?&quot; section, despite the fact that it originally appeared as a separate section above it.  That has the appearance of deception, but I would not make the accusation because it is also possible that you did not mean to be deceptive, but were simply combining the previous section into this one.  If you wish to discuss the disputed content, I am willing to do that in a separate thread.  This thread was started concerning your block, not about page content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|EncycloPetey}} I would like you to answer the question that I asked you instead of ignoring it. This is inappropriate. My above question is about your incorrect claim that there is broken formatting. I want you to substantiate it. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 23:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::::I have been writing my response.  You respond very quickly.  Please show more patience. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

*[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]: In light of the above, I [[Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard#User:Koavf_deliberately_breaking_page_format|have called]] for a [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy#Votes_of_confidence|vote of confidence]]. As you cannot comment there, I would like to ask here whether or not you support such a vote. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Yes, I do. I was going to post to the admin's noticeboard anyway for EP's repeated abuse of rollback and blocking, not long after he was admonished for abusing them in similar circumstances. Tools like rollback and blocking require better judgement than that shown. That's in addition to a general attitude that is not becoming of an admin in other areas which I think warrants discussion. Thanks for being considerate enough to ask. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 04:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:: Admin behaviour is under discussion, and I left a note for you at AN, but I would like to remind you that technical stuff is complicated. There is no need for deception, for two people to see different things. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
*:::Sure. What I think happened was he wasn't paying any attention to my edits, abused rollback to undo a whole host of changes that he had no objection to, and blocked me preemptively and now that I've asked him repeatedly why he did that and what the purported problems were with my last edit, he's ignored the question so that he won't have to actually say &quot;I just abused rollback in a personal content dispute and instead of posting to talk or even protecting the page, I blocked you and then stonewalled on why&quot;, but I could be wrong. He has since claimed that he didn't even know he used rollback, which is its own kind of concern, but you are correct that he could actually just be confused and not paying attention instead of actively dissimulating. I have just seen this before when EP does something inscrutable and inappropriate and then feigns ignorance of what is happening or just refuses to explain his own behavior and why he did what he did, so it strains credulity that his explanations are legitimate and that he didn't just do what I supposed. He has done this before where he just deflects answering the simplest question, keeps on harassing me about nonsense, and then goes on about his day, occasionally coming back to my talk page to post more tangential nonsense and never answering the question that was asked, so I am personally tired of that inappropriateness. Your mileage may vary. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 15:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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*[[/Chapter 10|Chapter X. A midnight plunge]]
*[[/Chapter 11|Chapter XI. Life the basis of the right of property]]
*[[/Chapter 12|Chapter XII. How inequality of wealth destroys liberty]]
*[[/Chapter 13|Chapter XIII. Private capital stolen from the social fund]]
*[[/Chapter 14|Chapter XIV. We look over my collection of harnesses]]
*[[/Chapter 15|Chapter XV. What we were coming to but for the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 16|Chapter XVI. An excuse that condemned]]
*[[/Chapter 17|Chapter XVII. The revolution saves private property from monopoly]]
*[[/Chapter 18|Chapter XVIII. An echo of the past]]
*[[/Chapter 19|Chapter XIX. &quot;Can a maid forget her ornaments?&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 20|Chapter XX. What the revolution did for women]]
*[[/Chapter 21|Chapter XXI. At the gymnasium]]
*[[/Chapter 22|Chapter XXII. Economic suicide of the profit system]]
*[[/Chapter 23|Chapter XXIII. &quot;The parable of the water tank&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 24|Chapter XXIV. I am shown all the kingdoms of the Earth]]
*[[/Chapter 25|Chapter XXV. The strikers]]
*[[/Chapter 26|Chapter XXVI. Foreign commerce under profits; protection and free trade, or between the devil and the deep sea]]
*[[/Chapter 27|Chapter XXVII. Hostility of a system of vested interests to improvement]]
*[[/Chapter 28|Chapter XXVIII. How the profit system nullified the benefit of inventions]]
*[[/Chapter 29|Chapter XXIX. I receive an ovation]]
*[[/Chapter 30|Chapter XXX. What universal culture means]]
*[[/Chapter 31|Chapter XXXI. &quot;Neither in this mountain nor at Jerusalem&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 32|Chapter XXXII. Eritis sicut deus]]
*[[/Chapter 33|Chapter XXXIII. Several important matters overlooked]]
*[[/Chapter 34|Chapter XXXIV. What started the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 35|Chapter XXXV. Why the revolution went slow at first but fast at last]]
*[[/Chapter 36|Chapter XXXVI. Theater-going in the twentieth century]]
*[[/Chapter 37|Chapter XXXVII. The transition period]]
*[[/Chapter 38|Chapter XXXVIII. The book of the blind]]


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*[[/Chapter 10|Chapter X. A midnight plunge]]
*[[/Chapter 11|Chapter XI. Life the basis of the right of property]]
*[[/Chapter 12|Chapter XII. How inequality of wealth destroys liberty]]
*[[/Chapter 13|Chapter XIII. Private capital stolen from the social fund]]
*[[/Chapter 14|Chapter XIV. We look over my collection of harnesses]]
*[[/Chapter 15|Chapter XV. What we were coming to but for the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 16|Chapter XVI. An excuse that condemned]]
*[[/Chapter 17|Chapter XVII. The revolution saves private property from monopoly]]
*[[/Chapter 18|Chapter XVIII. An echo of the past]]
*[[/Chapter 19|Chapter XIX. &quot;Can a maid forget her ornaments?&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 20|Chapter XX. What the revolution did for women]]
*[[/Chapter 21|Chapter XXI. At the gymnasium]]
*[[/Chapter 22|Chapter XXII. Economic suicide of the profit system]]
*[[/Chapter 23|Chapter XXIII. &quot;The parable of the water tank&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 24|Chapter XXIV. I am shown all the kingdoms of the Earth]]
*[[/Chapter 25|Chapter XXV. The strikers]]
*[[/Chapter 26|Chapter XXVI. Foreign commerce under profits; protection and free trade, or between the devil and the deep sea]]
*[[/Chapter 27|Chapter XXVII. Hostility of a system of vested interests to improvement]]
*[[/Chapter 28|Chapter XXVIII. How the profit system nullified the benefit of inventions]]
*[[/Chapter 29|Chapter XXIX. I receive an ovation]]
*[[/Chapter 30|Chapter XXX. What universal culture means]]
*[[/Chapter 31|Chapter XXXI. &quot;Neither in this mountain nor at Jerusalem&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 32|Chapter XXXII. Eritis sicut deus]]
*[[/Chapter 33|Chapter XXXIII. Several imporFarks 
*[[/Chapter 34|Chapter XXXIV. What started the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 35|Chapter XXXV. Why the revolution went slow at first but fast at last]]
*[[/Chapter 36|Chapter XXXVI. Theater-going in the twentieth century]]
*[[/Chapter 37|Chapter XXXVII. The transition period]]
*[[/Chapter 38|Chapter XXXVIII. The book of the blind]]


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===Contents===
*[[/Preface|Preface]]
*[[/Chapter 1|Chapter I. A sharp cross-examiner]]
*[[/Chapter 2|Chapter II. Why the revolution did not come earlier]]
*[[/Chapter 3|Chapter III. I acquire a stake in the country]]
*[[/Chapter 4|Chapter IV. A twentieth-century bank parlor]]
*[[/Chapter 5|Chapter V. I experience a new sensation]]
*[[/Chapter 6|Chapter VI. Honi soit qui mal y pense]]
*[[/Chapter 7|Chapter VII. A string of surprises]]
*[[/Chapter 8|Chapter VIII. The greatest wonder yet-fashion dethroned]]
*[[/Chapter 9|Chapter IX. Something that had not changed]]
*[[/Chapter 10|Chapter X. A midnight plunge]]
*[[/Chapter 11|Chapter XI. Life the basis of the right of property]]
*[[/Chapter 12|Chapter XII. How inequality of wealth destroys liberty]]
*[[/Chapter 13|Chapter XIII. Private capital stolen from the social fund]]
*[[/Chapter 14|Chapter XIV. We look over my collection of harnesses]]
*[[/Chapter 15|Chapter XV. What we were coming to but for the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 16|Chapter XVI. An excuse that condemned]]
*[[/Chapter 17|Chapter XVII. The revolution saves private property from monopoly]]
*[[/Chapter 18|Chapter XVIII. An echo of the past]]
*[[/Chapter 19|Chapter XIX. &quot;Can a maid forget her ornaments?&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 20|Chapter XX. What the revolution did for women]]
*[[/Chapter 21|Chapter XXI. At the gymnasium]]
*[[/Chapter 22|Chapter XXII. Economic suicide of the profit system]]
*[[/Chapter 23|Chapter XXIII. &quot;The parable of the water tank&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 24|Chapter XXIV. I am shown all the kingdoms of the Earth]]
*[[/Chapter 25|Chapter XXV. The strikers]]
*[[/Chapter 26|Chapter XXVI. Foreign commerce under profits; protection and free trade, or between the devil and the deep sea]]
*[[/Chapter 27|Chapter XXVII. Hostility of a system of vested interests to improvement]]
*[[/Chapter 28|Chapter XXVIII. How the profit system nullified the benefit of inventions]]
*[[/Chapter 29|Chapter XXIX. I receive an ovation]]
*[[/Chapter 30|Chapter XXX. What universal culture means]]
*[[/Chapter 31|Chapter XXXI. &quot;Neither in this mountain nor at Jerusalem&quot;]]
*[[/Chapter 32|Chapter XXXII. Eritis sicut deus]]
*[[/Chapter 33|Chapter XXXIII. Several important matters overlooked]]
*[[/Chapter 34|Chapter XXXIV. What started the revolution]]
*[[/Chapter 35|Chapter XXXV. Why the revolution went slow at first but fast at last]]
*[[/Chapter 36|Chapter XXXVI. Theater-going in the twentieth century]]
*[[/Chapter 37|Chapter XXXVII. The transition period]]
*[[/Chapter 38|Chapter XXXVIII. The book of the blind]]


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Please help start a list of text that need to be proofread.  Larger text are preferred because we hope to have a large group of people working on the text of the month.  [[Wikisource:Transcription_Projects#Projects_needing_to_be_proofread|Here]] is a great place to start looking for text to be proofread.

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* [[Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works]]

== [[Wikisource:Transcription_Projects#Projects_needing_to_be_proofread|A list]] of potential PotM candidates ==

On the transcription project, there is a good list of text that are ready to be proofread. That list is available [[Wikisource:Transcription_Projects#Projects_needing_to_be_proofread|here.]]  This list continues to grow so it would be great if we could knock it down. --[[User:Mattwj2002|Mattwj2002]] 11:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:: My person opinion, If people keep bringing in projects (and I have seen it) then they should do a good part of the editing. Some, whoever they are, bring in works for others to do and the work-load adds up. Too, if the texts are brought in and left for others, then others may not like the topic so the work load keeps building up. It would be nice to know [who] likes what to work on. *I* like history and specifically illustrated history* but not children’s books or poems. I have several more volumes to do and more I want to do after that. This way I work on what I brought in, or have another bring in because he/they like the same kind of work. [[User:William Maury Morris II|--Maury]] ([[User talk:William Maury Morris II|talk]]) 01:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

== 2025 ==
Keep in mind works that will enter PD on 1 January 2025, but do not upload files for such works until 1 January. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

=== 2025 List ===

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|January
| [[Index:The cat. Its natural history, varieties, and management.djvu|The cat. Its natural history, varieties, and management]] and {{br}}
[[Index:Handbook of Precious Stones.djvu|Precious Stones]]
|Quirky
| Done (started 2025-01-01, proofread 01-04, validated 01-07) and {{br}}
Lapsed (started 01-07) {{index progress bar|Handbook of Precious Stones.djvu}}
|-
|February
| [[Index:Towards a New Architecture (Le Corbusier).djvu|Towards a New Architecture]]
|Fine arts
| Lapsed (started 02-01) {{index progress bar|Towards a New Architecture (Le Corbusier).djvu}}
|-
|March
|[[A Room of One's Own (Hogarth 1929)]] and {{br}}
[[Index:Dark Hester.djvu|Dark Hester]]
|Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month / Woman author
|Done (started 2025-03-03, proofread 03-05, validated 03-07) and {{br}}
Lapsed (started 03-07, proofread 03-11) {{index progress bar|Dark Hester.djvu}}
|-
|April
|[[Further Poems of Emily Dickinson]], {{br}}
[[Index:Verses from Maoriland.djvu]] and {{br}}
[[Index:Poems Plunkett.djvu]] and {{br}}
[[Index:Love Poems and Others.djvu]]
|Poetry / Drama
|Done (started 2025-04-01, proofread ~04-04&lt;!-- it was validated before someone marked it as proofread, this is from memory --&gt;, validated 04-06), {{br}}
Done (started 04-06, proofread 04-06, validated 04-09) and {{br}}
Done (started 04-09, proofread 04-1?, validated 04-18) and {{br}}&lt;!-- same situation as above --&gt;
Done (started 04-18, proofread 04-25, validated 04-25)
|-
|May
|[[Index:History of islands &amp; islets in the Bay of Fundy, Charlotte County, New Brunswick; (IA historyofislands00lori).pdf]]
|Geography
|Lapsed (started 05-12) {{index progress bar|History of islands &amp; islets in the Bay of Fundy, Charlotte County, New Brunswick; (IA historyofislands00lori).pdf}}
|-
|June
|[[Index:Saga of Billy the Kid.djvu]]
|Fiction: Novel
|Active (started 06-01) {{index progress bar|Saga of Billy the Kid.djvu}}
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|Anthropology, Mythology, or Religion
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=== January 2025: Quirky ===
* ''The cat : its natural history; domestic varieties; management and treatment (with illustrations)'' (1887) by Philip M. Rule, {{esl|https://archive.org/details/catitsnaturalhis00rule}} --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
*:(Running conversions, will put up soon.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{done}} at [[Index:The cat. Its natural history, varieties, and management.djvu]]. Note: I am unsure under which title it should be put in mainspace:
*::* The cat (Rule) - if we don't include the subtitle
*::* The cat. Its natural history, varieties, and management - as it is listed on the cover
*::* The cat : its natural history; domestic varieties; management and treatment - as it is listed on the title page.
*::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:''The Cat'' will finish in the next few days. I suggest [[Index:Handbook of Precious Stones.djvu]] as the next work. The page problems it had back in PotM 2013 have been resolved and it would be good to move it on. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 21:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::{{done|Put on}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

=== February 2025: Fine arts ===
I nominate ''[[w:en:Toward an Architecture|Towards a New Architecture]]'', a collection of essays by Le Corbusier translated in 1927 by Frederick Etchells. There are [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/103157785 two] [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007937718 scans] of the first edition on HathiTrust; the chosen scan would have to be uploaded locally because the work is still copyrighted in France. [[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 20:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

:Endorse. I have heard much about this man, people love him or hate him. Clearly he has had a profound influence on modern architecture. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 07:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:We may have a scan issue: I can find two [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.461606/mode/2up][https://archive.org/details/corbusierletowardsanewarchitecturenoocr/page/n3/mode/2up] pre-1930 scans of it, but they are both reprints from the second half of the 20th century. Are these copyrighted? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

: I wouldn't touch the first IA one. It's one of the works that had copyright information changed when uploaded; note the 1922 on the back of the title page. The second scan is usable; it's a US work with no copyright notice, and it wasn't registered with the copyright office within five years. What's wrong with the HathiTrust scans, though? We'd might want to do the second HT one with images from the first.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 20:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::My reasoning for seeking other scans was that the first one is badly cropped, and the second has google tags all over it, that are always a pest when proofreading.
::Thank you for the information on the IA scans. I propose using the second one. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I think we should transcribe the first scan because the second one is probably a later reprint. All contemporary reviews I can find list Payson &amp; Clarke as the publisher, and [https://findingaids.smith.edu/repositories/3/resources/1613 Payson &amp; Clark later became Brewer and Warren]. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 00:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::::So I made a djvu of the first link and I installed the js to upload large files but the script only works in the File namespace; meaning it needs to exist already before I can upload.  Should I upload a single page djvu first to create the File; or, hopefully, an admin can create it.  [[File:Towards a New Architecture.djvu]] is where I was trying to put it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 00:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] before uploading the djvu, could you replace page 263 in the first scan (page 235 in the book), where some words are cropped out, with the page from the second scan? You might need to do the same with page 267 (239), because some portions of the images are obscured. I have already uploaded the first scan at [[:File:Towards a New Architecture (Le Corbusier).djvu]], which does not have a text layer; feel free to overwrite that. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{done|Put on}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:21, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
=== March 2025: Woman author ===
{{collapse top|Choosing edition of ''A Room of One's Own'' for PotM}}
* ''A Room of One's Own'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/woolf_aroom}} by [[Author:Virginia Woolf|Virginia Woolf]] will enter PD in the US in 2025 (it is already PD in the UK).  The [[w:A Room of One's Own|Wikipedia article]] describes it as an extended essay in which &quot;[she] uses metaphors to explore social injustices and comments on women's lack of free expression.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
*:Endorse. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 16:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
*::Re-endorse, this just came up blindly in conversation today. It's clearly an influential novel and we ought to have it. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:52, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::It's not a novel. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:44, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
*:Seems a good choice. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Note that the copy on IA is the 1931 edition, but that I find no evidence the new edition was ever copyrighted.  I find no evidence of a renewal for the 1931 edition in the Stanford database, nor do I find an initial registration for the 1931 edition in the 1930, 1931, or 1932 listings in the Pennsylvania copyright records scans.  So the 1931 edition was presumably covered only by the original copyright in 1929, without ever receiving separate protection, and thus its protection expired along with the copyright of the 1929 edition.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 11:41, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*:* A copy has been uploaded to Commons from a different scan: {{commons link|Room of Ones Own 01.djvu}}  This is self-labelled a 1937 reprint by the publisher, leaving it unclear whether it is a reprint of the original edition or of the &quot;new&quot; edition of 1931. I am unfamiliar with the 1931 revisions, and so do not know how to determine which edition this is. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The [https://dpul.princeton.edu/public-domain/catalog/dc4x51hx320 Princeton University Library] has a scan of the 1929 Hogarth Press edition. The choice is between that and the Harcourt edition, which is the one we have uploaded. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 04:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::The linked edition is actually just the one published by Hogarth in the US. Hogarth published another edition in the UK. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 05:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::I think we should use the scan of the Hogarth edition found by MarkLSteadman at https://www.lse.ac.uk/library/assets/documents/rare-books/45-A-Room-of-Ones-Own.pdf, though we may need to redact the ex libris and the library checkout card if it is above TOO. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 17:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::: I'd generally call the ex libris as de minimis and not worry about it in the scan. The library check card is clearly below TOO in the US and I'd be surprised even in the UK if it was above.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 12:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*: Strongly endorse the general idea, but agree with the sense that identifying the most suitable edition should be a priority. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 07:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:We're one month away from the start of March.  Can we use the 1931 edition, because it's published too late to be in public domain in the United States?  I do not find a separate copyright for the US for the later edition, and Virginia Woolf's death is more than 70 years ago, so none of her published works will be under UK copyright.  We do not have a copy of the first edition from the UK.  We do have a [[Index:Room of Ones Own 01.djvu|1929 US edition]] we can use, or we can go with the 1937 UK edition, and someone can craft a usable file from the UK Hogarth edition at Princeton.  We need a decision soon, or decide on a different work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*::We do &lt;s&gt;have&lt;/s&gt; &lt;u&gt;know the location of&lt;/u&gt; a copy of the first edition from the UK. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 22:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::Is there any reason not to use the 1929 US edition that you linked ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
*::::It's originally a UK publication, and Woolf is a prominent UK author.  Proofing a US edition, rather than one from the UK, will seem second-rate to some folks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::::Yes, but wikisource is based around US copyright rules - personally, I see no problem to use a US edition. A UK edition can be added later, surely ? Or do you prefer to obtain a UK edition ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
*::::::I'm sorry if you did not understand my previous reply.  I don't know how to make that reply clearer. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
*::::::: Calling the cognitive abilities of a fellow wiki worker is never a good practice, especially when there is neither basis for nor utility in doing so...and above all, is something someone occupying a position of trust should avoid. I urge you to reconsider the above comment. (As for the substance I understand yours and [[User:Beardo|Beardo]]'s positions perfectly, and I have no preference one way or the other. If you or somebody else does the legwork of finding a good UK version, sure, no problem using that one If that doesn't happen, I disagree with your concerns about the theoretical &quot;second-rate&quot; concern, I think using a US edition is fine.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 22:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
*::::::::Please do not accuse me of things I did not do.  Please read my comment again; the ''only'' ability I &quot;called&quot; is my own ability to make my position clear.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::::@[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] - thank you.
*:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] - no problem. I hope that other users understood you. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:18, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*::::::While I have a general preference for UK editions for UK authors, US editions for US authors, the key thing is that the Hogarth Press was a publishing effort lead by the Woolfs, as it says &quot;Published by Leonard and Virginia Woolf,&quot; and therefore tracing the various revisions across impressions and editions is of especial interest. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 14:19, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
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*::::I want to add [https://librivox.org/a-room-of-ones-own-by-virginia-woolf/ the LibriVox recordings] of the work to the finished transcription; these recordings are of the 1931 Hogarth Press edition, which has the same pagination as the 1929 edition. It's possible that there are subtle differences in text in the Harcourt edition, like there are in ''[[Orlando: A Biography]]'', that would make including the LibriVox recordings more questionable. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 02:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
*:::::Re LibriVox, there are differences in the editions, later Hogarth editions have &quot;I like their unconventionality. I like their completeness. I like their anonymity.&quot; [https://archive.org/details/woolf_aroom/page/n167] as opposed to &quot;I like their unconventionality. I like their subtlety. I like their anonymity.&quot; in the 1929 edition [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_Room_of_One%27s_Own_(Hogarth_1929).djvu/172]. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:09, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

{{collapse top|Setting up ''A Room of One's Own'' for PotM}}
*:Currently preparing for uploading [https://www.lse.ac.uk/library/assets/documents/rare-books/45-A-Room-of-Ones-Own.pdf this 1929 London Hogarth edition], which from the discussion seems to me to be the best we have on hand. Please correct me if not. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
*::The OCR of that file is already very good. I'm having trouble with DJVU conversion (blurring a lot more than usual); can someone get better results, or do we stick to the PDF? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::I've uploaded the entire PDF at [[:File:A Room Of One's Own.pdf]]. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 15:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::It's having one of the 0x0 issues, and apparently not one that can be fixed by purging. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::What process did you use to convert? pdf2djvu or something else? [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 05:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*::: That is what I used, and it's indeed a very low quality result. I think the issue is that the original PDF is quite low resolution to begin with, and PDF2DJVU will typically downsample. (45 MB to 4 MB in this case.) Unfortunate there aren't higher quality original scans to work from. Still, if the OCR is so good, the blurry ones...might?? be good enough? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 05:18, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::Yes, I used pdf2djvu. The pdf is not showing any sign of getting better, I suppose I'm going to just put on the blurred DJVU. It's march 2 already. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::::I was able to improve the quality of the djvu with the flag &lt;code&gt;-d 600&lt;/code&gt; which changes the DPI from the default 300 to 600. Looks better, not fantastic but substantially better. Might consider going higher still. File size goes from 4 to 14 MB. (Original PDF is 45 MB.) I don't want to clobber your efforts to upload, so ping me when you're done and I can put the higher quality version over yours. Since the pagination doesn't change that should work fine, blurry previews all the cacheing catches up is the worst that would happen. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::::Upload your better version, while we're at it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:05, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::ok. I'm away from my desk for about 3 hours, I'll do it then unless you tell me otherwise. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:30, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::: Uploaded. Here is a link to the Index: [[Index:A Room of One's Own (Hogarth 1929).djvu]] '''NOTE: Requesting help''' re: copyright, I do not know the proper tag re: United States, as I don't know whether this edition was published here within 30 days. Currently it has a PD-old-80 tag which is insufficient to keep it at Commons. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 00:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::::Surely with the US, it doesn't matter if it was published within 30 days ? If it was before 1.1.1930, it is out of copyright in the US whatever. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
*:::::::::I think that the correct tag for Commons is PD-US-expired. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::::::::Thank you. I think you're correct, but in recent years I've learned that with works first published outside the US, sometimes the 30 day window matters. I don't have a great handle on when or why it does, which is why I wanted somebody else's eyes on it. Appreciate that. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 03:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
*::::::::::: You can use PD-old-auto-expired|deathyear=19xx for any work published before 1930, either inside the US or outside the US and sufficiently long since the author's death. It's automatically updating and the best looking on the page.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
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{{collapse top|Margery Kempe (Middle English deemed too ambitious for PotM)}}
Another suggestion, though I still think ''A Room of One's Own'' is an excellent choice. '''[[w:en:Margery Kempe|Margery Kempe]]''' is considered to be the first woman autobiographer in the English language, and her book was lost for about 400 years. This [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/mar/20/margery-kempe-first-autobiographer-digitised-british-library ''Guardian'' story from 2014] tells the story, but unfortunately I'm not able to find the (dead-)linked British Library digitization of it. So, finding the source material could take a little work. But the [https://metseditions.org/search?q=+Kempe Middle English Texts Series] website has a transcription and more. This might be a bit ambitious for a PotM, but it seems like an important work. ([[:File:The Book of Margery Kempe.jpg|One page]] of it is on Commons.) -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 02:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
: (A related question, but outside the scope of this page. I don't find any info at [[WS:WWI]] about Middle English, and the discussions that come up on a search are from pre-2010. They seem to be generally favorable toward including Middle English texts here, but...they're just discussions, not formalized policies, and they're far from recent. Does anybody know about more recent consideration of this issue, and could point me toward it? -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 02:30, 8 February 2025 (UTC))
::I'm pretty sure that middle english is in scope. e.g. at [[WS:PD#Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (Middle English)]], no objection was raised about its being in middle english, only about its faithfulness being doubtful. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::In addition to Modern English, the English Wikisource includes Middle English, Old English, and Scots. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
:Middle English transcriptions would indeed be too ambitious for PotM. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:32, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
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At the rate this is going, it'll be proofread in a few days and validated in a week, tops. Anyone have other suggestions? (apart from Margery Kempe, as Middle English is a bit too much for POTM.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:47, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

:[https://archive.org/details/sevendialsmyster0000agat_n1n0/page/n5/mode/2up The Seven Dials Mystery] by [[author:Agatha Christie|Agatha Christie]]? [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::[https://archive.org/details/per_equal-rights-magazine_equal-rights_1929-12-28_15_47/mode/1up Equal Rights] magazine? [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:11, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:::''The Seven Dials Mystery'' is fun (almost Christie tries to do Wodehouse), but not one of her best. 
:::Some from the [[Wikisource:Requested texts/1929|requested texts list]]:
:::* ''The Cradle of the Deep'' by [[w:Joan Lowell]] illustrated by Kurt Wiese [Fictional autobiography] {{esl|https://archive.org/details/thecradleofthede0000unse}}
:::* ''{{wdl|Q113245131|The Man in the Queue}}'' by [[Author:Elizabeth MacKintosh|Elizabeth MacKintosh]] aka [[w:Josephine Tey]] - her first featuring her detective
:::* ''{{wdl|Q3002629|The Crime at Black Dudley}}'' by [[Author:Margery Louise Allingham|Margery Louise Allingham]] - the first featuring her Albert Campion
:::* ''{{wdl|Q131288358|Hudson River Bracketed}}'' by [[Author:Edith Wharton|Edith Wharton]]
:::* ''{{wdl|Q131299186|Dark Hester}}'' by [[Author:Anne Douglas Sedgwick|Anne Douglas Sedgwick]] - no. 3 bestseller in the US in the year '''''Endorse.''' We have only one complete, scan-backed nover from this accomplished writer. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]])'' If we want this, it is now at {{ssl|Dark Hester.djvu}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:43, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
:::* ''{{wdl|Q131299579|The Galaxy}}'' by [[Author:Susan Ertz|Susan Ertz]] 
:::* ''{{wdl|Q131303484|Ultima Thule}}'' by [[Author:Ethel Florence Lindesay Richardson|Ethel Florence Lindesay Richardson]] as Henry Handel Richardson 
:::-- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:26, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Oh good, didn't realize there were active suggestions. Mine are pretty random, just trying to make sure there are options. I started by looking at what entered the PD this year, but of course that's not a requirement. [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:30, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::The [[Wikisource:Requested texts/1929|requested text list]] is supposed to be work that entered PD this year. Odd that the Christie isn't there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:40, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:::[https://archive.org/details/mariellaoutwest00goog/page/n66/mode/1up Mariella of Out-West] by Ella Higginson? [[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:28, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::* {{WD version|Q4658289|Q132529562}} -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:42, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:I just put up ''[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q131299186 Dark Hester]'', as A Room of One's Own is fully validated. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
::(The OCR for that was misaligned, but that is now fixed.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:51, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

=== April 2025: Poetry / Drama ===
How about Emily Dickinson's ''Further Poems'' {{ssl|Further Poems Emily-1929.djvu}}? It enters the public domain next year. &lt;del&gt;It might be too long, though.&lt;/del&gt; &lt;ins&gt;After what we've done recently, no, it's fine.&lt;/ins&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

&lt;del&gt;I suggest [https://archive.org/details/collectedpoemsof0000ches| The collected poems of G.K. Chesterton]. It's longer, but pages 199-288 are just [[The Ballad of the White Horse]], which I added last year, and wouldn't mind going through again in a couple days. —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 10:09, 15 January 2025 (UTC)&lt;/del&gt;

:Shouldn't we avoid featuring an author for two months, three months apart? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:17, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;del&gt;Dickinson might be a better choice; I'm on a bit of a Chesterton kick right now and am just making suggestions, since there's only one so far. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 10:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)&lt;/del&gt;
:::Nah, @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] is right. Frankly, I'd rather proofread those poems all by myself. I vote for Dickinson. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 10:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

{{done|'''Put on'''}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:Aaand it's nearly over. Any suggestions? @[[User:FPTI|FPTI]]: still want to do Chesterton's yourself? If really no one has a suggestion, I'd say maybe [https://archive.org/details/fateofjuryepilog0000edga_k2n1/page/n5/mode/2up The Fate of the Jury] (PDD 2025, mentioned at [[w:1929 in poetry]]), but it's not very good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe [[Author:Dora Wilcox|Dora Wilcox]] (New Zealand poet) - ''Verses from Maoriland'' (1905) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/versesfrommaoril00wilciala}} --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::{{done|'''Put on.'''}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
::Looks like a good month for completing poetry.  Should we need another, perhaps ''The Poems of Joseph Mary Plunkett'' (1916) a posthumous collection of poetry by Irish author [[Author:Joseph Mary Plunkett|Joseph Mary Plunkett]] edited and published by his sister [[Author:Geraldine Plunkett Dillon|Geraldine Plunkett Dillon]] {{esl|https://archive.org/details/poemsofjoseph00plun}}  As can be seen, we have no works yet by this poet. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
:::{{done|Put in.}} At this rate we'll be finishing 4 or 5 this month. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:49, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
::For the next: ''Love Poems and Others'' (1913) by [[Author:D. H. Lawrence|D. H. Lawrence]] {{IA small link|lovepoemsothers00lawrrich}}?  We have several of his novels, but almost none of his poetry, and this volume was his first collection of poetry, and was highly regarded when it was published.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::{{done|'''Put in'''}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:20, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::: @[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] an idea for the next? This one'll probably be soon over, and we've got a week left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
::::If we're going with ''Oregon Geographic Names'' next month, then May's selection could last a while.  We could always start it a few days early. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: Switched to overflow=true.
::::: We could have squeezed in a fifth before the 1st, but it's true that the oregon geographic names will probably take a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

=== May 2025: Geography ===
* [[Oregon Geographic Names (1952)]] Most U.S. states likely have such a work; this one has a compelling history. It was initiated as a serial in the ''[[Oregon Historical Quarterly]]'' in 1925; the author self-published the first book edition a few years later; the author's wife (a librarian who had served as the ''Quarterly's'' editor) published this third edition posthumously in 1952. His ancestors have continued to update and republish the work. It's somewhat unusual to have such a recent work lapse into the public domain; a high-quality, searchable transcription at Wikisource would be more readily accessible than later, copyright-encumbered editions, and would likely be valued by amateur and academic researchers alike. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 07:10, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Endorse. — [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 07:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
::Not appropriate for PotM as it's been matched and split from a good text. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
:::Are you objecting because match-and-split was performed, or are you claiming that the quality is too good to merit PotM?  The latter is certainly not true. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Because M&amp;S done, and so we already host. Purpose of PotM is to add works we don't already host. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 19:18, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::We host the ''unproofread'' text, which is missing small-caps, italics, page headers, and many paragraph breaks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:40, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
A few suggestions:
* ''Marine algae of New England and adjacent coast'' (1881), by William Gibson Farlow, 256 pp. {{IA|marinene00farl}}
* ''The tower of Pelée; new studies of the great volcano of Martinique'' (1904), by Angelo Heilprin, 170 pp. {{IA|towerofpelenew00heilrich}}
* ''Askja; Iceland's largest volcano'' (1881), by William George Locke, 148 pp. {{IA|askjaicelandslar00lockuoft}}
How about starting with ''Askja; Iceland's largest volcano''? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

:Well, it has some small historical interest, but much of the science and geology presented, especially in the final chapter, have been overturned in the last 60 years with the acceptance of plate tectonics as the central concept of geology.  This volume was written before we knew that Iceland rests on the mid-Atlantic ridge, before sea-floor spreading, and before we understood circulation of magma in the mantle or understood that the Earth was billions (rather than thousands) of years old.  So again, there may be some small historical interest for presenting debunked science, but otherwise, it's not going to be of much interest. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] I would like to point at that it's been nearly two weeks since the start of May and we should probably hurry up and pick something. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 02:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::: If you've got a suggestion; feel free to. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The one suggested below seems fine to me. [[User:ToxicPea|ToxicPea]] ([[User talk:ToxicPea|talk]]) 12:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
::::: Well, we usually avoid stuff where pages have already been created, but at least it's mostly raw OCR in this one, and it's the 12th without other suggestions people agree with; so I guess I'm {{done|putting it on}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:37, 12 May 2025 (UTC)


I would strongly appreciate help with [[Index:History of islands &amp; islets in the Bay of Fundy, Charlotte County, New Brunswick; (IA historyofislands00lori).pdf]], not sure where/how to propose it so leave it to the rest of you - but it fits Geography/May 2025. [[User:Fundy Isles Historian - J|Fundy Isles Historian - J]] ([[User talk:Fundy Isles Historian - J|talk]]) 15:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

=== June 2025: Fiction: Novel ===
I suggest [[:File:Saga of Billy the Kid.djvu|The Saga of Billy the Kid]] (1926) by [[Author:Walter Noble Burns|Walter Noble Burns]]--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
* Endorse. Earliest telling(?) of a major legend of the U.S. west. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 07:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
Do I need to learn how to install this when the month changes? --[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 12:09, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
: Not necessarily; it's usually done by regulars( these days it's often me), but about anyone can do it (assuming of course that they respect the discussion). The process in itself isn't very complicated; it's a) adding to [[Module:PotM/data]] by following the instructions there, and then b) filling the row in [[#2025 List]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
: {{done|'''Put on'''.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

=== July 2025: Anthropology, Mythology, or Religion ===
I suggest [[Orthodoxy]] or [[Heretics]], by [[Author:Gilbert Keith Chesterton|G.K. Chesterton]]. Both are frequently considered some of the best works of Christian apologetics of all time. Alternatively, I suggest [https://archive.org/details/cu31924029402439 Essays on catholicism, liberalism and socialism], as I've heard of it mentioned as an influential book several times. --[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 16:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:If we're doing Chesterton then ''The Thing: Why I am a Catholic'' might be a better choice - it's PD-US this year, and doesn't have a text on here unlike the first two. It's also the source of Chesterton's fence analogy. [[User:Arcorann|Arcorann]] ([[User talk:Arcorann|talk]]) 11:00, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
:I've added ''Orthodoxy'' to the MC for May, given that current events have brought Catholicism into news. --18:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
::{{comment}} The transcription of ''Orthodoxy'' is not attracting editors, which we should bear in mind when selecting the July PotM. --20:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC) [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

A possibility: ''[[The Negro in American Fiction]]'' (1937) {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006229077}} by [[Author:Sterling Allen Brown|Sterling A. Brown]], an American professor, folklorist, literary critic, and the first Poet Laureate of the District of Columbia.  Right now, we have only a few of his early poems, but none of his other writings, as most had their copyright renewed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:48, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Another possibility: [[Index:A Dictionary of All Religions and Religious Denominations.djvu]]  I suggest this because our non-scan-backed copy had 6.5K page views in May, and was our 23rd most viewed page in the Mainspace for that month. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:That index is showing that there are missing pages - that needs to be fixed, no ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:55, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

=== August 2025: Biography ===
I suggest [[The Fastest Bicycle Rider in the World]]. It was on the Community Challenge last year, then fell off the board when I was on page 179, so there's  6/10 left to be proofread. It's an interesting and entertaining biography, day to day, and it's not a terribly difficult text. Just fell off my radar. No free ebook versions exist of it online. — [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 10:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
* Endorse. Compelling story, unusual accomplishment. Note the extensive [[w:en:Major Taylor|Wikipedia bio]] of the author. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 07:24, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Looking at it, it seems like there's a graphic novel biography of him that's a couple years behind schedule. It would be great to be able to provide a free ebook of it by the time that the comic book is published. — [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 07:32, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
What about [[The Bronx and Its People]], a three-volume encyclopedia/history book on notable people in the Bronx? (Vol. [https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi01well 1], [https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi02well 2], and [https://archive.org/details/bronxitspeoplehi03well 3] on the Internet Archive) [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 03:26, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

:This would be a great work to have, but each volume being 600 pages (and those pages aren't small), it might be too long for a monthly challenge. [[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 07:54, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Biographical collections from this era were often pay-to-play, i.e. people would buy an entry, or be required to purchase a certain number of copies, etc. Its Foreword gives the appearance of a serious work, but it does not go as far as, for instance, [[Women of the West/Preface]] with its bold-faced assertion that there was no pay-to-play involved. It would be difficult to fully research this question. Without knowing more, I would hesitate to assess it as having high historical value overall. Hosting it here is good, but I'd hesitate to promote it as a major collaborative project. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 16:02, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

=== September 2025: Science/Technology ===
I would suggest The Radio Amateur's Handbook (1958) https://archive.org/details/radioamateurshan0000unse_v6a4 , but only after it's PD status is verified .--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 11:03, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:Wouldn't that be a bit large? 700+ plus seems a bit too much for a POTM.
:On PD status: this is copyrighted 1958, and [https://exhibits.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/catalog?exhibit_id=copyrightrenewals&amp;search_field=search&amp;q=The+Radio+Amateur%27s+Handbook the listed renewals] do not include a work published in 58, so I think it is. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::It is large.  Large like the unfinished [[Index:The Botany of the Antarctic Voyage.djvu]] which was [[Wikisource_talk:Proofread_of_the_Month/archive#Calendar_2014|POTM June 2010]] and that I am glad is here. At least 50 pages are advertisements.  It is ham radio for vacuum tubes; which I think is the reason that the copyright was not renewed.  The ads are also for vacuum tube technology.  It has a lot of images, also (another drawback like its size): photographs, diagrams, and electronics advertising dodads.  This is the end, somewhat, of the technology of the current PD-year.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 13:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

I suggest [[Index:VN First Draft Report EDVAC Moore Sch 1945.pdf]] by [[Author:John von Neumann|John von Neumann]]. Without this paper, we wouldn't have computer today. Related wikipedia article: [[w:First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC|First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC]], [[w:Von Neumann architecture|Von Neumann architecture]]. [[User:Ivan530|Ivan530]] ([[User talk:Ivan530|talk]]) 18:15, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

:An important paper, but very short for a month-long project.  It could be added to the Monthly Challenge though. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:33, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion: &quot;[https://archive.org/details/microbehunters190000unse The Microbe Hunters]&quot; (1926) by US author Paul de Kruif (1890–1971), a history of early microbiology and its application towards fighting human disease. -[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

=== October 2025: Fiction (SF/Fantastical/etc.) ===
I suggest [[Erewhon]]. Our copy is currently not backed by any source, and I've heard it's a great novel. [[W:Erewhon Market|A grocery chain named after it]] is currently all the rage in [[w:Los Angeles|LA]], so maybe now is a good time!  —[[User:FPTI|FPTI]] ([[User talk:FPTI|talk]]) 09:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:[https://archive.org/details/ErewhonOverrang00Butl scan here]{{ssl|Erewhon-1872-003.djvu}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::The [[Index:Erewhon - Butler - 1872.djvu]] now exists. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:27, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
:::There are 3 scans available: 
:::#An 1872 scan from California libraries {{ssl|Erewhon - Butler - 1872.djvu}}
:::#An 1872 scan from the Smithsonian (has the original cover still) {{ssl|Erewhon-1872-003.djvu}}
:::#A 1923 illustrated edition {{ssl|Erewhon, or, Over the range (1923).djvu}}
:::I don't think I would have bothered to make a djvu if I had seen IL's previous djvu; but that said, the Smithsonian scan is the better of the two 1872 scans due to the original cover being present.  But illustrated is cool too!  No vote from me for this!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:46, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Out of left field, but I suggest Bambi. An index for an available English-language translation of Bambi can be found here:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Bambi_A_Life_in_the_Woods_(1928).pdf
[[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] ([[User talk:SurprisedMewtwoFace|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

=== November 2025: Language ===
Are constructed languages fair game? ''International Language Past, Present &amp; Future'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/internationallan00claruoft}} discusses Volapük and Esperanto. [[User:SometimesUsesWikis|SometimesUsesWikis]] ([[User talk:SometimesUsesWikis|talk]]) 06:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

What about ''The Language and Sentiment of Flowers'' {{ssl|Language and Sentiment of Flowers.djvu}} by [[Author:Linda White Mazini Villari|L. V.]]? {{unsigned|RaboKarbakian}}

=== December 2025: Fiction: Short story collections ===
[[Author:Selma Lagerlöf|Selma Lagerlöf]]'s works aren't especially well-covered on English Wikisource. For this month I would suggest a translation of ''Invisible Links'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/invisiblelinks00lageuoft}} or ''[[w:The Girl from the Marsh Croft (novella)|The Girl from the Marsh Croft]]'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/girlfrommarshcro001858}}. [[User:SometimesUsesWikis|SometimesUsesWikis]] ([[User talk:SometimesUsesWikis|talk]]) 06:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)</text>
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Before the close of the year, however, the war cloud of Europe burst, and events took a turn which rendered American relations precarious beyond all human foresight. The wonderful achievements of Napoleon caused European politics to vary with the rapidity and novelty of the shifting views of the kaleidoscope, leaving only one thing in Europe permanent—&quot;the naval supremacy of Great Britain.&quot; While adhering to the hope of wresting Florida from the necessities of Spain and France, Jefferson found his negotiations complicated with questions growing out of foreign hostility to the rapid development of the American merchant marine. Unexpectedly thrown on the defensive, his efforts must be directed to thwart the hostility of Great Britain against American trade, and his diplomacy must be adapted to meet the fleeting conditions of European politics; looking now to Spain, and again to France, and again to Great Britain.

In the autumn of 1805 two great events disconcerted the policy of America as well as the relations of Europe. October 21st, the naval victory of Trafalgar confirmed Great Britain's supremacy on the ocean. December 2d, Austerlitz made Napoleon dictator of continental Europe, shattered the combinations of Pitt and caused his premature death. Both of these events were adverse to American interests.

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 | title      = The Dial
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 | notes      = ''The Dial'' was an American magazine published intermittently from 1840 to 1929. In its first form, from 1840 to 1844, it served as the chief publication of the Transcendentalists. In the 1880s it was revived as a political magazine. From 1920 to 1929 it was an influential outlet for Modernist literature in English.{{WP link|1=The Dial}}
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==Volumes==

===1840–1844===
* [[/Volume 1/]] {{ssl|The Dial.pdf|The Dial volume 1.djvu}} (July 1840–April 1841)
** [[/Volume 1/Aulus Persius Flaccus|Aulus Persius Flaccus]]
* [[/Volume 2/]] (July 1841–April 1842) {{IA small link|dial00riplgoog}}
* [[/Volume 3/]] (July 1842–April 1843) {{IA small link|dialamagazinefo00riplgoog}}
** [[/Volume 3/Dark Ages|Dark Ages]]
* [[/Volume 4/]] (July 1843–April 1844) {{IA small link|dial04full}}

===1860===
* [http://www.archive.org/details/dial14unkngoog Volume 1] (January–December 1860)

===1880–1929===
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 2|The Dial (Volume 2).djvu|Volume 2}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 3|The Dial (Volume 3).djvu|Volume 3}} (May 1882 – April 1883)
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 4|The Dial (Volume 4).djvu|Volume 4}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 5|The Dial (Volume 5).djvu|Volume 5}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 6|The Dial (Volume 6).djvu|Volume 6}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 7|The Dial (Volume 7).djvu|Volume 7}} (May 1886 – April 1887)
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 8|The Dial (Volume 8).djvu|Volume 8}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 9|The Dial (Volume 9).djvu|Volume 9}} (May 1888 – April 1889)
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 10|The Dial (Volume 10).djvu|Volume 10}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 11|The Dial (Volume 11).djvu|Volume 11}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 12|The Dial (Volume 12).djvu|Volume 12}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 13|The Dial (Volume 13).djvu|Volume 13}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 14|The Dial (Volume 14).djvu|Volume 14}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 15|The Dial vol. 15 (July 1 - December 16, 1893).djvu|Volume 15}} (July 1 – Dec. 16, 1893)
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 16|The Dial (Volume 16).djvu|Volume 16}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 17|The Dial (Volume 17).djvu|Volume 17}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 18|The Dial (Volume 18).djvu|Volume 18}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 19|The Dial (Volume 19).djvu|Volume 19}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 32|The Dial (Volume 32).djvu|Volume 32}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 36|The Dial (Volume 36).djvu|Volume 36}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 37|The Dial (Volume 37).djvu|Volume 37}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 38|The Dial (Volume 38).djvu|Volume 38}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 39|The Dial (Volume 39).djvu|Volume 39}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 40|The Dial (Volume 40).djvu|Volume 40}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 41|The Dial (Volume 41).djvu|Volume 41}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 43|The Dial (Volume 43).djvu|Volume 43}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 44|The Dial (Volume 44).djvu|Volume 44}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 45|The Dial (Volume 45).djvu|Volume 45}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 49|The Dial (Volume 49).djvu|Volume 49}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 51|The Dial (Volume 51).djvu|Volume 51}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 52|The Dial (Volume 52).djvu|Volume 52}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 53|The Dial (Volume 53).djvu|Volume 53}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 54|The Dial (Volume 54).djvu|Volume 54}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 55|The Dial (Volume 55).djvu|Volume 55}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 56|The Dial (Volume 56).djvu|Volume 56}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 57|The Dial (Volume 57).djvu|Volume 57}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 58|The Dial (Volume 58).djvu|Volume 58}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 59|The Dial (Volume 59).djvu|Volume 59}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 60|The Dial (Volume 60).djvu|Volume 60}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 61|The Dial (Volume 61).djvu|Volume 61}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 62|The Dial (Volume 62).djvu|Volume 62}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 63|The Dial (Volume 63).djvu|Volume 63}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 64|The Dial (Volume 64).djvu|Volume 64}}
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* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 66|The Dial (Volume 66).djvu|Volume 66}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 67|The Dial (Volume 67).djvu|Volume 67}} (July 12 to November 29, 1919)
* [[/Volume 68/]] {{ssl|The Dial (Volume 68).djvu}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 69|The Dial (Volume 69).djvu|Volume 69}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 70|The Dial (Volume 70).djvu|Volume 70}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 71|The Dial (Volume 71).djvu|Volume 71}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 72|The Dial (Volume 72).djvu|Volume 72}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 73|The Dial (Volume 73).djvu|Volume 73}} (July to December 1922)
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 74|The Dial (Volume 74).djvu|Volume 74}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75|The Dial (Volume 75).djvu|Volume 75}} (July to December 1923)
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/A Biographical Fragment|A Biographical Fragment]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/The Lines of Her Wary Body|The Lines of Her Wary Body]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Henry James: The American Scene|Henry James: The American Scene]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Prague Letter (Wadsworth)|Prague Letter (Wadsworth)]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/The Man's Story|The Man's Story]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Named Flamingo|Named Flamingo]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/The Injured One|The Injured One]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/The Fate of Baron von Leisenbohg|The Fate of Baron von Leisenbohg]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Majesty Walks In The Garden: Spain|Majesty Walks In The Garden: Spain]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Prague Letter (Fischer)|Prague Letter (Fischer)]]
** [[The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 75/Musical Chronicle|Musical Chronicle]]
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 76|The Dial (Volume 76).djvu|Volume 76}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 77|The Dial (Volume 77).djvu|Volume 77}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 78|The Dial (Volume 78).djvu|Volume 78}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 79|The Dial (Volume 79).djvu|Volume 79}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 80|The Dial (Volume 80).djvu|Volume 80}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 81|The Dial (Volume 81).djvu|Volume 81}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 82|The Dial (Volume 82).pdf|Volume 82}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 83|The Dial (Volume 83).pdf|Volume 83}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 83|The Dial (Volume 84).pdf|Volume 84}}
* {{scan|The Dial (Third Series)/Volume 83|The Dial (Volume 85).pdf|Volume 85}}
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E. E. CUMMINGS


}}{{c/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{c|{{larger|I}}}}


&lt;section begin=cannon /&gt;{{ppoem|
the bigness of cannon
is skilful,

but i have seen
death's clever enormous voice
which hides in a fragility
of poppies. . . .

i say that sometimes
on these long talkative animals
are laid fists of huger silence.

I have seen all the silence
full of vivid noiseless boys

at Roupy
i have seen
between barrages,

the night utter ripe unspeaking girls.}}
&lt;section end=cannon /&gt;

{{center|{{larger|III}}}}

&lt;section begin=buffalo /&gt;{{ppoem|
Buffalo Bill's
defunct
           who used to
           ride a watersmooth-silver
                                                stallion
and break onetwothreefourfive pigeonsjustlikethat
                                                                       Jesus

he was a handsome man
                                    and what i want to know is
how do you like your blueeyed boy
Mister Death}}

{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;
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E. E. CUMMINGS


}}{{c/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{c|{{larger|II}}}}


&lt;section begin=cannon /&gt;{{ppoem|
the bigness of cannon
is skilful,

but i have seen
death's clever enormous voice
which hides in a fragility
of poppies. . . .

i say that sometimes
on these long talkative animals
are laid fists of huger silence.

I have seen all the silence
full of vivid noiseless boys

at Roupy
i have seen
between barrages,

the night utter ripe unspeaking girls.}}
&lt;section end=cannon /&gt;

{{center|{{larger|III}}}}

&lt;section begin=buffalo /&gt;{{ppoem|
Buffalo Bill's
defunct
           who used to
           ride a watersmooth-silver
                                                stallion
and break onetwothreefourfive pigeonsjustlikethat
                                                                       Jesus

he was a handsome man
                                    and what i want to know is
how do you like your blueeyed boy
Mister Death}}

{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;
&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{center|{{larger block|
SEVEN POEMS


IV

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&lt;section begin=whengod /&gt;{{ppoem|
when god lets my body be

From each brave eye shall sprout a tree
fruit that dangles therefrom

the purpled world will dance upon
Between my lips which did sing

a rose shall beget the spring
that maidens whom passion wastes

will lay between their little breasts
My strong fingers beneath the snow

Into strenuous birds shall go
my love walking in the grass

their wings will touch with her face
and all the while shall my heart be

With the bulge and nuzzle of the sea}}
&lt;section end=whengod /&gt;


{{center|{{larger|V}}}}

&lt;section begin=whydid /&gt;{{ppoem|
why did you go
little fourpaws?
you forgot to shut
your big eyes.

where did you go?
like little kittens
are all the leaves
which open in the rain.

little kittens who
are called spring,
is what we stroke
maybe asleep?}} 
&lt;section end=whydid /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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      <timestamp>2025-06-14T17:11:59Z</timestamp>
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{{center|{{larger block|
SEVEN POEMS


}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{c|{{larger|IV}}}}


&lt;section begin=whengod /&gt;{{ppoem|
when god lets my body be

From each brave eye shall sprout a tree
fruit that dangles therefrom

the purpled world will dance upon
Between my lips which did sing

a rose shall beget the spring
that maidens whom passion wastes

will lay between their little breasts
My strong fingers beneath the snow

Into strenuous birds shall go
my love walking in the grass

their wings will touch with her face
and all the while shall my heart be

With the bulge and nuzzle of the sea}}
&lt;section end=whengod /&gt;


{{center|{{larger|V}}}}

&lt;section begin=whydid /&gt;{{ppoem|end=stanza|
why did you go
little fourpaws?
you forgot to shut
your big eyes.

where did you go?
like little kittens
are all the leaves
which open in the rain.

little kittens who
are called spring,
is what we stroke
maybe asleep?}} 
&lt;section end=whydid /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <timestamp>2025-06-14T17:14:16Z</timestamp>
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        <username>RaboKarbakian</username>
        <id>2427564</id>
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{{center|{{larger block|
E. E. CUMMINGS

}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=whydid /&gt;{{ppoem|start=stanza|

do you know? or maybe did
something go away
ever so quietly
when we weren't looking.}}
&lt;section end=whydid /&gt;


{{center|{{larger|VI}}}}

&lt;section begin=whenlife /&gt;{{ppoem|
when life is quite through with
and leaves say alas,
much is to do
for the swallow, that closes
a flight in the blue;

when love's had his tears out,
perhaps shall pass
a million years
(while a bee doses
on the poppies, the dears;

when all's done and said, and
under the grass
lies her head,
by oaks and roses
deliberated.)}}
&lt;section end=whenlife /&gt;


&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|{{larger|VII}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;

&lt;section begin=odistinct /&gt;{{ppoem|
O Distinct
Lady of my unkempt adoration
if I have made
a fragile certain

song under the window of your soul
it is not like any songs
(the singers the others
they have been faithful}}
&lt;section end=odistinct /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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        <id>2427564</id>
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{{center|{{larger block|
E. E. CUMMINGS

}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=whydid /&gt;{{ppoem|start=stanza|

do you know? or maybe did
something go away
ever so quietly
when we weren't looking.}}
&lt;section end=whydid /&gt;


{{center|{{larger|VI}}}}

&lt;section begin=whenlife /&gt;{{ppoem|
when life is quite through with
and leaves say alas,
much is to do
for the swallow, that closes
a flight in the blue;

when love's had his tears out,
perhaps shall pass
a million years
(while a bee doses
on the poppies, the dears;

when all's done and said, and
under the grass
lies her head,
by oaks and roses
deliberated.)}}
&lt;section end=whenlife /&gt;


&lt;noinclude&gt;{{center|{{larger|VII}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;

&lt;section begin=odistinct /&gt;{{ppoem|end=stanza|
O Distinct
Lady of my unkempt adoration
if I have made
a fragile certain

song under the window of your soul
it is not like any songs
(the singers the others
they have been faithful}}
&lt;section end=odistinct /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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to many things and which
die
i have been sometimes true
to Nothing and which lives

they were fond of the handsome
moon&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;never spoke ill of the
pretty stars&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;and to
the serene the complicated

and the obvious
they were faithful
and which i despise,
frankly

admitting i have been true
only to the noise of worms
in the eligible day
under the unaccountable sun)

Distinct Lady
swiftly take
my fragile certain song
that we may watch together

how behind the doomed
exact smile of life's
placid obscure palpable
carnival where to a normal

melody of probable violins dance
the square virtues with the oblong sins
perfectly
gesticulate the accurate

strenuous lips of incorruptible
Nothing&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;under the ample
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tificate number three thousand four hundred and twenty-six, be, and the
same is hereby, connrmed; and the Commissioner of the General Land
Oflice is authorized to issue a patent therefor.
Ammovr-zo, June 17, 1844.
S1·A·rcr1a I.
CHAP. CXXXlX. —An Act jizr the relief tf Marcny Olds. _],,,,,, 17, 1844_
Be it enacted, eye., That the Secretary of War be, and he is hereby,
authorized to place the name of Marcay Olds, of Chenango county, To be placed
New York, on the pension roll, under the act of July seven, eighteen °¤ P8¤Si°¤ wuhundred and thirty-eight, entitled &quot;An act granting hall`-pay and pen- 1§;§tg,J;'g,g7’
sions to certain widows,&quot; at the rate of eighty dollars per annum from l i i
the fourth of March, eighteen hundred and thirty-six, to the fourth of
March, eighteen hundred and forty-one, and also from the fourth of
March, eighteen hundred and forty-three, to the fourth of March, eighteen hundred and forty-four, for the services of her first husband, John
Stewart, during the revolutionary war.
Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That said Marcay Olds shall be Entitled to beentitled to the full benefit of all laws and resolves which shall hereafter MH! Qi all laws
be passed, continuing in force the said act of July seven, eighteen hun- ?l§f°T°g1g§g°f
dred and thirty-eight, and the several acts and resolves amendatory Y ’ i
thereof:
Approved, June 17, 1844.
&quot;&quot;&quot;—' Srnurs I.
CHAP. CXL.—-.xfIn Alcifor Ure relief of Lund Washinglon. June 17, 1844.
Be ii enacted, ¢§·c., That the Secretary of the Treasury be, and he
is hereby, directed to pay to Lund Washington the sum of two hundred To_be paid for
dollars, out of any money in the treasury not otherwise appropriated, Sefvicesldkhis
being the amount due for the services of his minor son, William T. Son MCH '
Washington, as a clerk in the war department during the first quarter
0f the year eighteen hundred and eighteen.
Ariucovnn, June 17, 1844.
··—·· Sruurm I.
CHAP. CXLI. —a€n dc! for i/ze rclifqf PV?/[iam P. Duval. June 17, ]844,
Be it enacted, 8·c., That the proper accounting officers be, and they
are hereby, directed to settle according to principles of vanity and jus- His accounts
tice, under the direction of the Secretary of War, the account of Wil- ¤St$*'P;*?‘°¤d;
liam P. Duval, for his services and the disbursements made by him and ?,§,;,nlHgE€,,;
expenses incurred as superintendent of Indian Afl&quot;airs in the Territory to be settled.
of Florida; and that he be paid such sum of money as shall be found
on such settlement to be due to him.
A1~rnovnr&gt;, June 17, 1844.
Srarurz I.
CHAP. CXLH. ——An Alot fir the boned! if James Andcrs0n, of the Territory of _;,,,,,, ,7, 1844_
Iowa. —————-———
Be it enacted, ¢§~c., That the said James Anderson be, and he hereby
is, permitted to enter, at the minimum price of the public lands, the Authorize_d to
fractional sixteenth section in township sixty-nine north, range two west, $***3* °&quot;”`“““
containing two hundred and eighteen acres, and forty-five one-hundredths, an '
in the district of lands subject to entry at Burlington, in the Territory
of Iowa.
Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That the authority having charge Olherland ,0
of the said school land, is hereby authorized to select and report to the be selected for
register and receiver of the district i11 which said land is situate, other ¤$° °f s°h°°lsunzippropriated lands of the United States subject to private entry in the
said Territory, of a similar quantity to that which sthel have been en-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Fishing Vessels. Fishing Vessels.
to be paid the allowance the selzonners Josiah Holmes allowed the bounty io a, fish.
Anqlcr and llurmony would lmve been ing vessel, ----- 843
entitled to, had they returned to the United Nathan Smith and others to be allowed the
States, -.---- 291 bounty to a fishing vessel, - - 867
Isaac Collyer and others to be paid the al- Charles Gordon and others to be paid the ullowsncc to the Dove, a fishing vessel, lowanec for u fishing schooner lost ut sca,
307 895
Elijah Bailey and others to be pnid the The owners und crew of the schooner Priva.
bounty on a fishing vessel lost at sen, do, allowed the bounty to the schooner, lost
324 at sea, - ·---- 920
Allowance of schooner lVclcome Return to Joseph [lidden to be paid the allowance for
be paid to Jolm Moody and others, 3:24 the Fishing schooner Mary Francis, lost ut
Otis Pendleton and others, and John F. Dc- sen, ---·-- 918
lnplainc and others to be paid bounty for . .
fishing vcsscls lost or destroyed, - 330 Florida Indie&quot;? _ _ _
Iiomcc waim and Oumrs to be paid 3_]]0w_ Appropriation for the relief of florida ·In.
ance for a schooner lost in the cod fish. dlimss ······ $54
CW, ---·-· 367 Florida Land Claims.
Jmhim T' Chase {md Pthms tO be paid lm Craven P. Lucketttohe paid as commissioner
¤“°W¤¤°° *`°’ ¤ Hshing V°Ss°l 1%* M   on Florida land c1aims,and waumm Rey-
Philip Coombs and others to be paid the allow- $$31:0:l:?Ss€;L;£;0b1?§:i€ txsnmljorggg
ance of a fishing vessel lost at sea, 388 _ _ g '
Henry Dickens und others to be paid the Fines and F°7`f€*W*'*’$·
allowance of a schooner in the cod fishery, Claims of the United States to forfeiture of
409 goods entered at Hampden, in the district
Andrew \Vi1son to be paid the allowance for of Maine, released, - - - 169
a fishing vessel lost ut sea, - - 412 Forfciture of brig Sally remitted to Anthony
Allowance to William B. Doliber and others S. Delis1c and others, - - - 240
for a fishing schooner lost at sea, - 582 Proceeds of property refunded to Peter Cud-
The bounty to which the schooner Two well and James Britten, - - - 271
Brothers would have been entitled, to be David Beard released from a forfeiture, 300
paid by the collector of Boston, - 578 Damages to Henry Lightner, postmaster, rc-
Thc owners and others of the schooner Ad- leased, -.---- 300
miral to receive the bounty to which she Payment to George B. R. Gove of the moiety
was entitled onherreturn from sca, 602 of a forfeiture, ---- 301
Samuel Bragdon and others allowed for the John \Vilmot. to be relimdcd money paid on a
fishing schooner H¤1eyon,lost at sen, 606 decree for a. forfeiture, which decree was
Charles Gordon and others allowed for the‘ reversed, . 303
fishing schooner Two Sons, lost at sea, Elisha Snow repaid u forfeiture from the pro.
606 eeeds of the sloop Mary Snow, - 322
Samuel S. Lord and others allowed for the James Dickson und Company to be paid the
fishing schooner Mary and Sally, lost ut moiety of the proceeds of certain goods
sca, ------ 606 sold as forfeited, --·- 350
Willium Haskell and others to be allowed the William Cloyd to be paid the amount ofa fine
bounty on the schooner Friendship, a. fish. improperly assessed upon him, - 372
ing vessel lost, ---- 616 A moiety of the forfeiture of the schooner
Joseph \V. Green and others, of Marblehead, { Volzmt to be refunded, . . - 415
ullowcd u bounty for the fishing  chooner. A moiety of the forfeiture of the brig Ne.
Two Brothers, lost at sea, - - 659 l deshda to be paid to Charles Collins, col-
Thomas Cushing to be allowed the bounty to ‘ lector of Bristol, ..·- 436
the fishing schooner Germantown, of Bos-‘ Payment of a forfeiture of merchandise to
ton, ----·- 714 David Beard of New York, - - 450
Wintlirop Sears and others allowed the bounty Thomas H. Smith and Son relca cd fiom the
to the fishing schooner Lubun, lost at claim of the United States on them, 495
sen, ----·- 715 The amount of&quot; u forfeiture to be refunded to
Moses Merrill and others allowed the bounty Jane Dauphin, administratrix of John Dauto a fishing schooner Fortune, lost nt phin, .-...- 551
su, - - - · · - 719 Moneys refunded to Charles Cramer and
Allowance of bounty to the fishing schooner others, paid into the Treasury in conse-
Commeree, of Boston, to Thomas Cushing, quenee of the forfeiture of the schooner
. 789 Joseph and Mary, -..- 603
Gilbert A. Smith and Nathan Stark to be Payment of a moiety of a forfeiture on u.
paid the bounty to the fi hing schooner license bond, to be made to Henry Darling,
Lilly, ------ 807 surety of John Phillips, - . - 631
John L. Bowman and Enoch J. Noyes to be Payment of a. forfeiture to Joseph Gresham,
paid the allowance to the fishing schooner 635
George, lost at sea, - - - 808 Isaac Means and others, late owners of the
Joshua Atwood to be paid the bounty of n. schooner Elizabeth, to be repaid For an
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{{Sidenotes begin}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;chap11&quot; /&gt;&lt;/br&gt;
{{c|SCHEDULE 5. — Continued.}}
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! style=font-weight:normal; | Public paupers.
! style=font-weight:normal; | Criminals.
! style=font-weight:normal; | Cost of labor.
! style=font-weight:normal; | Religious worship.
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! style=&quot;font-weight:normal; text-align:left; vertical-align:top&quot; | Whole number of&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}paupers supported&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}during the past y'r.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;/br&gt;Number supported&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}on the 1st day of&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}June.&lt;/br&gt;
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Foreign.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;/br&gt;Cost of supporting&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}paupers&amp;nbsp;during&amp;nbsp;last&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}year.
! style=&quot;font-weight:normal; text-align:left; vertical-align:top&quot; | Number convicted&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}of&amp;nbsp;crime&amp;nbsp;during&amp;nbsp;year&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}ending June 1, '50.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;/br&gt;In prison on the 1st&lt;/br&gt;{{spaces|1}}June, 1850.&lt;/br&gt;&lt;/br&gt;
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SCHEDULE 6. — {{sc|Persons who died}} ''during the year ending'' 1''st June,'' 1850, ''in the {{spaces|8}} of {{spaces|8}}, in the County of {{spaces|8}}, and State of {{spaces|8}}, enumerated by me.''{{spaces|95}}''Assistant.''

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! rowspan=2 {{vertical header|nb=y|mw=2em|{{Tooltip|Place of birth, naming the State,&lt;/br&gt;Territory, or country.|Place of birth, naming the State, Territory, or country.}}}}
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! rowspan=2 {{vertical header|nb=y|{{Tooltip|Profession, occupation, or trade.|Profession, occupation, or trade.}}}}
! rowspan=2 {{vertical header|nb=y|{{Tooltip|Disease, or cause of death.|Disease, or cause of death.}}}}
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{{spaces|2}}{{sc|Approved}}, May 23, 1850.
&lt;section end=&quot;chap11&quot; /&gt;
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&lt;section begin=&quot;chap12&quot; /&gt;{{Left sidenote|May 23, 1850.{{rule}}1837, ch. 3.}}
{{sc|Chap}}. XII. — ''An Act supplementary to the Act entitled'' &quot;''An Act supplementary to the Act entitled 'An Act establishing a Mint, and regulating the Coins of the United States.''{{' &quot;}}

''Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled'',{{Left sidenote|To enable the mint and branch mints to make returns to depositors, etc., the President is authorized to direct transfers of public money.}} That, for the purpose of enabling the mint and branch mints of the United States to make returns to depositors with as little delay as possible, it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, when the state of the treasury shall admit thereof, to direct transfers to be made from time to time to the mint and branch mints for such sums of public money as he shall judge convenient and necessary, out of which those who bring bullion to the mint may be paid the value thereof, as soon as practicable after this value has been ascertained; that the bullion so deposited shall become the property of the United States; that no dis-&lt;section end=&quot;chap12&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{Sidenotes end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{Sidenotes begin}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;chap130&quot; /&gt;For five keepers of stations on the coast of Florida, two thousand four hundred dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Surf-men.}}
For pay of crews of experienced surf-men at such stations and for such periods as the Secretary of the Treasury may deem necessary and proper, one hundred and fifty-seven thousand six hundred and eighty dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Fuel; repairs and outfits; supplies and provisions; traveling expenses of officers; contingent expenses.}}
For fuel for one hundred and fifty-five stations and houses of refuge; repairs and outfits for the same; supplies and provisions for houses of refuge and for shipwrecked persons succored at stations; traveling-expenses of officers under orders from the Treasury Department, and contingent expenses, including freight, storage, repairs to apparatus, medals, stationery, advertising, and miscellaneous expenses that cannot be included under any other head of life-saving stations on the coasts of the United States, thirty thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Sites for life-saving stations, &amp;c.}}
And the Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized, whenever he shall deem it advisable, to acquire, by donation or purchase in behalf of the United States, the right to use and occupy sites for life-saving or life-boat stations, houses of refuge and sites for pier-head beacons the establishment of which has been, or shall hereafter be, authorized by Congress.

{{c|{{sc|revenue cutter service.}}}}

{{Left sidenote|Pay of officers and pilots.}}
For the pay of thirty-four captains, one hundred and one lieutenants, and sixty-three engineers, and for pay of pilots employed, three hundred and sixty-one thousand and three hundred dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Rations for officers and pilots.}}
For rations of thirty-four captains, one hundred and one lieutenants, sixty-three engineers, and for rations of pilots employed, twenty-five thousand five hundred and eighty-three dollars and forty cents.

{{Left sidenote|Pay of crews.}}
For pay of eight hundred and sixty petty-officers, seamen, cooks, stewards, boys, coal-passers, and firemen, two hundred and eighty-three thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Rations for crews.}}
For rations for eight hundred and sixty petty-officers, seamen, cooks, stewards, boys, coal-passers, and firemen, three hundred and thirteen thousand and nine hundred rations, including the liquor-equivalent, ninety-eight thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Fuel, repairs, &amp;c.}}
For fuel for thirty-eight vessels, repairs and outfits for same, ship-chandlery and engineers' stores for same, travelling-expenses of officers travelling on duty under orders from the Treasury Department, commutation of quarters, and contingent expenses, including wharfage, towage, dockage, freight, advertising, surveys, and miscellaneous expenses which cannot be included under special heads, two hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

{{c|{{sc|national currency.}}}}

{{Left sidenote|Making and issuing currency.}}
For paper, engraving, printing, express charges, and other expenses of making and issuing the national currency, two hundred thousand dollars, to be disbursed under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury: ''Provided'', That the national-bank{{Left sidenote|Proviso.}} notes shall be printed under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury, and upon the distinctive or special paper which has been, or may hereafter be, adopted by him for printing United States notes.

{{Left sidenote|Macerating-machine.}}
For expenses of operating macerating-machine, three thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Transportation.}}
For transportation of notes, bonds, and other securities of the United States, finished and unfinished, fifty thousand dollars.

{{c|{{sc|national loan.}}}}

{{Left sidenote|Paper for notes and bonds.}}
For paper for notes, bonds, and other securities, including mill expenses, boxing, and transportation, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Labor.}}
For labor (by the day or piece or contract,) including labor of workman skilled in engraving, transferring, plate-printing, and other special-&lt;section end=&quot;chap130&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{Sidenotes end}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{Sidenotes begin}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;chap130&quot; /&gt;ties necessary for carrying on the work of engraving and printing notes, bonds, and other securities of the United States, the pay for such labor to be fixed by the Secretary of the Treasury at rates not exceeding the rates usually paid for such work,{{Right sidenote|Engraving and printing.}} and for other expenses of engraving and printing notes, bonds, and other securities of the United States, one million one hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Materials.}}
For materials other than paper required in the work of engraving and printing, two hundred thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Engravers' tools, &amp;c.}}
For the purchase of engravers' tools, dies, rolls, and plates, and for machinery and repairs of the same, fifty thousand dollars: ''Provided'', That the above-named notes, currency, and other securities of the United States be executed with not less{{Right sidenote|Three plate-printings.}} than three plate-printings: ''And provided further'', That the Secretary of the Treasury shall have executed one or two of such printings by such responsible and capable and experienced bank-note companies or bank-note{{Right sidenote|Part of plate-printing by contractors.}} engravers as may contract for the same at the lowest cost to the Government, and at prices not greater than those heretofore paid for the same class of work; no company or establishment executing more than one printing upon the same note or obligation, and the final printing and finishing to be executed in the Treasury Department.

{{c|JUDICIARY.}}

{{Right sidenote|Courts.}}
For defraying the expenses of the Supreme Court and circuit and district courts of the United States, including the District of Columbia; and also for jurors and witnesses{{Right sidenote|Jurors, witnesses, &amp;c.}} and expenses of suits in which the United States are concerned, of prosecutions for offenses committed against the United States; for the safe-keeping of prisoners; and for the expenses which may be incurred{{Right sidenote|Enforcement acts.&lt;/br&gt;1871, c. 99, v. 16, p. 433.&lt;/br&gt;1872, c. 139, v. 17, p. 61.}} in the enforcement of the act of February twenty-eighth, eighteen hundred and seventy-one, relative to the right of citizens to vote, or any acts amendatory thereof or supplementary thereto, three million dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Convicts from D. C.}}
For the support and maintenance of convicts transferred from the District of Columbia, eight thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Defending claims.}}
For defending suits and defraying expenses thereof in claims against the United States pending in any Department, and for the defence of the United States in the Court of Claims, to be expended under the direction of the Attorney-General, fifty thousand dollars: ''Provided'',{{Right sidenote|Proviso.}} That the compensation of the counsellor of the United States provided for by section five of the act of Congress{{Right sidenote|1874, c. 459, s. 5, ''ante'', 246.}} creating a Court of Commissioners of Alabama Claims approved June twenty-third, eighteen hundred and seventy-four, shall not exceed eight thousand dollars per annum.

{{Right sidenote|Collection of claims.}}
For expenses to be incurred in the prosecution and collection of claims due the United States, to be disbursed under the direction of the Attorney-General, five thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Defending claims under convention with Mexico.}}
For defraying the expenses of defending claims under the convention with Mexico of the fourth of July, eighteen hundred and sixty-eight, to be expended under the direction of the Attorney-General, five thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Detecting, &amp;c., violation of intercourse-acts, and frauds in Indian service.}}
For detecting and punishing violations of the intercourse-acts of Congress, and frauds committed in the Indian service, the same to be expended by the Attorney-General, in allowing such increased fees and compensation of witnesses, jurors, and marshals, and in defraying such other expenses as may be necessary for this purpose, eight thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Detection and prosecution of crimes against United States.}}
For this sum, or so much thereof as may be necessary, to be expended under the direction of the Attorney-General in the detection and prosecution of crimes against the United States, twenty-five thousand dollars.

{{Right sidenote|Penitentiary in Montana.}}
For iron gratings for the windows, and putting up the same, in the building for penitentiary in the Territory of Montana, one thousand and two hundred dollars.
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{{Sidenotes begin}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;chap130&quot; /&gt;{{Left sidenote|Court-house in Washington.}}
For repairs and preservation of the court-house building in the city of Washington, and for tiling the basement-floors of the same, three thousand dollars: ''Provided'' that{{Left sidenote|Proviso.}} hereafter the building shall be under the supervision and control of the Attorney-General.

{{c|MISCELLANEOUS.}}

{{Left sidenote|Hayden's geological, &amp;c., survey.}}
For the continuation of the geological and geographical survey of the Territories of the United States, under the direction of the Secretary of the Interior, during the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-six: by the first division, under F. V. Hayden, in Colorado and such adjacent portions of Utah and New Mexico as were not explored the preceding year, seventy-five thousand dollars; and by the second division, under{{Left sidenote|Powell's survey in Utah.}} J. W. Powell, in Utah, twenty-five thousand dollars; in all, one hundred thousand dollars, to be immediately available.

{{Left sidenote|Maps, &amp;c., illustrating geological surveys of the Territories.}}
For the preparation and publication of the maps, charts, geological sections, and other engravings necessary to illustrate the reports of the United States geological and geographical survey of the Territories: by the first division, twenty thousand dollars; and by the second division twenty thousand dollars; in all, forty thousand dollars, to be expended under the direction of the Secretary of the Interior.

{{Left sidenote|Collection of mining, &amp;c., statistics under charge of Professor Raymond.}}
For collection of mining and mineral statistics, under charge of Professor Rossiter W. Raymond, the amount to be immediately available, to be expended, and to be for the completion of the work, fifteen thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Map of the United States.}}
For three thousand six hundred copies, including paper of the map of the United States, prepared in the General Land Office, six thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Jail, in D. C.}}
For completion of the jail in the District of Columbia, in accordance with the plans and specifications therefor, one hundred and forty thousand and fifty-seven dollars and ninety-three cents.

For fencing and enclosures around said jail, nine thousand and nine hundred dollars.

For heating-apparatus, twenty-nine thousand nine hundred dollars, after advertisement, to the lowest responsible bidder: ''Provided'', That it does not interfere with existing contracts.

For kitchen-utensils, wash-room apparatus, and driving-engine, five thousand six hundred and ninety-one dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Safe for Department of Interior.}}
To enable the Secretary of the Interior to purchase a suitable safe for the use of the disbursing-clerk of the Department of the Interior, two thousand dollars, or so much thereof as may be necessary.

{{Left sidenote|Capitol building at Olympia, Washington Territory.}}
For furniture, carpenter and mason work, and materials, painting, plastering, and other work necessary to the proper repair of the capitol building, at Olympia, Washington Territory, five thousand two hundred and seventy-four dollars and seventy-five cents, or so much thereof as may be necessary, to be expended under the direction of the Secretary of the Interior.

{{Left sidenote|Additional compensation for investigating pension frauds under R. S., 4744, p. 931.}}
That the additional compensation authorized by section four thousand seven hundred and forty-four of the Revised Statutes, to be paid to clerks detailed to investigate suspected attempts of fraud upon the Government through and by virtue of the pension-laws, shall be the actual and necessary expenses of transportation, and a per diem allowance in lieu of subsistence, not exceeding four dollars per diem.

{{Left sidenote|Inquiry into causes of decrease of food-fishes.}}
For continuing the inquiry into the causes of the decrease of food-fishes of the coast, of the rivers, and of the lakes of the United States, five thousand dollars.

{{Left sidenote|Introduction of shad and other fish into waters of United States.}}
For the introduction of shad into the waters of the Pacific States, the Gulf States, and of the Mississippi Valley, and of salmon, white-fish and other useful food-fishes, into the waters of the United States to which they are best adapted, forty-seven thousand five hundred dollars, to be available from the passage of this act, to be expended under the direction of the United States Commissioner of Fish and Fisheries.
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 18 Part 3.djvu/647</title>
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      <text bytes="3488" sha1="0q5v6vovq96f1vy905sg969ezok8xcg" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;Mjbot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;V. IPORTYTHIRD CONGRESS. Sess. I. » Ch. 527, 528, 529, 530, 531. 1874. 617
CHAP. 527.——An act for the relief of J. E. Ingalls, postmaster at Denmark, Lee June 23, 1874.
County, Iowa.
` Be it endctcd; by_th0 Senate and House of Representatives of the United
` States of America on Congress assembled, That; the Auditor of the Treas- 0¤¤d¤¤i¤ ¤¤¤¤¤¤f¤
ury for the Posh0in0e Department be directed to credit the account of °f J· E· I“·‘?““°·
J. E. Ingalls, postmaster at Denmark, Lee County, Iowa, with the sum
of one hundred and elghizy-five dollars and fo1‘t1y·four cents for postage
stamps stolen from_111s office on the third of September, eighteen hundred and seventy-two, without; any fault or negligence on the part of
said Ingalls.
Approved, June 23, 1874. .
CHAP. 528.—An'a.ct to relieve Sandine G. Stone, of Alabama., of political disabilities. June 23, 1874,
Bc it enacted by the Senate and House of Representati»ves—of the United
States of America in Congress assembled, {two thirds of each House con- P I, , 1 , _,,
curring therein,) That the political disabilities imposed upon Szmline G. mf ;?°°ga,‘3,QS:g&quot;é'
Stone, of Alabama by the provisions of the fourteenth article of amend- 5mm_ `
ment to the Constitution of the United States bc, and the same are
hereby, removed. , y
Approved, June 23, 1874.
CHAP. 529.—— An act to relieve Joseph \Vheeler of Lawrence county, in the State Juno gg_18N_
of Alabama. from all political disabilities imposed by the fourteenth amendment to i;—·········
the Constitution
Be it enacted by the Senate and Houseof Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled, (two thirds of each House concur- Political dmbm
ring therein) That; all political disabilities imposed by the fourteenth M as of JOM D h
amendment 1:0 the Constitution of· t-he United States. by reason of pam- Wheeler.
mcipncion in the lame rebellion, be and they are hereby removed from
Joseph Wheeler of Lawrence County, in the State of Alabama.
Approved, June 23, 1874.
CHAP. 530.-An awt for the relief of the Pekin Alcohol Manufacturing Company. _},mB.2g_ 137,;
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Rqprcmmmtives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled, That the Commissioner of Inter- Satisfaction ,0 bb
nal Revenue is herebynuthorized zmd directed to enter satisfaction on emma on gxpoyt
the export bond for that portion of the distilled spirits of the Pekin bond of the Pekin
Alcohol Manufacturing Company of the State of Illinois said to have €£9b°{) M¤¤“f=*°·
been destroyed at; Urbana, Ohio, while in transit for export to the port: mg °”‘p‘*‘“y‘
of Genoa, upon proofsatisfactory to him, and to the Secretary of the
Treasury, of the destruction of said spirits without fraud, collusion, or
negligence on the part of the owners of said spirits.
Approved, June 23, 1874.
CHAP. 531.-—An act to relieve E. L. Winder of his political disabilities. JHHG 23, I874·
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Beprescnmtives of the United
States of America, in Congress assembled, (uo0·thio·ds of each house concur- _Political dieabilb
ring Uwrein,) That all the political disabilities imposed by the fourteenth ¤&lt;&gt;¤&lt;&gt;f E- L·W¤¤d°*·
amendment of the Gonsbicucion of the United States, on E. L. Wmder,
of Norfolk, Virginia, late lieutenant- in the United States Navy, be; and
the same are hereby removed. ‘
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ITALY.
Palermo.
nmxmo.
Acapulco; Matamoras.
DRAzIL.
Pernambuco.
MADAGASUAR.
Tamatave.
URUGUAY.
Montevideo.
HONDURAS.
Tegucigalpa.
c0sTA RIGA.
San Jose.
NICARAGUA.
Managua; San Juan del Norte.
SAN SALVADOR.
San Salvador. '
PHILIPPINE ISLANDS.
Manila
FRIENDLY AND NAvIGAT01z’s ISLANDS.
Apia. ·-
CLASS VI.—AtAne thousand five hundred dollars per annum: A ;i:¤ VL $.500
GREAT BRITAIN.
Bristol; Clifton; Southampton; Newcastle; Auckland; Gibraltar;
Cape Town; Saint Helena; Charlottetown (Prince Edward Island);
Port Stanley (Falkland Islands); Picton; Winnipeg; Mahc · Kingston;
Prescott; Port Sarnia- Quebec; Saint Jol1n’s (Canada)- Iiarbadoes;
Bermuda; Fort Erie; Goderich (Canada West); Amhersthurg (Canada
West); Windsor (Canada West); Ceylon; Antigua; Saint Stephen’s;
Malta.
FRENCH DOMINIONS.
Nice; Martinique; Guadeloupe.
SPAIN.
Cadiz; Malaga; Barcelona.
PORTUGUESE DOMINIONS.
Fayal (Azores); Funchal (Madeira).
BELGIUM.
Verviers and Liege.
GERMANY.
Munich; Stuttgart; Mannheim; Aix la Chapelle.
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HAYTI.
Cape Haytien.
UNITED STATES OF COLOMBIA.
Sabanilla.
NETHEBLAN DS.
Batavia.
BRAZIL
Rio Grande del Sul. ’
HONDURAS.
Ruatan and Truxillo (to reside at Utila).
EASTERN AFRICA
Mozambique.
MEXICO.
Guaymas; Nuevo Laredo; Piedras  
MUSCAT.
Zanzibar.
q PORTUGUESE DOMINIONS.
Sanlhi:0 (Cope Verde Islands).
SOCIETY ISLANDS.
Tahiti.
T wah CHILI.
a nano. _
· COMEBDIAL AGENCIES. Commercial
— , IgG11B1Q.
Sonoma 0.
Saint Paul de Loando ; Levuka; Gaboon; San Juan del Norte.
And hereafter the Secretary ofState shallin the estimates for the an- secretary of
mm! expenditures of the expenses of diplomatic and consularservice esti- 2;** g_°°°*·‘m:::
mute for the entire amount required for its support, including all com- ,,,,,],,2.*,,,, f°;&quot;£P]0_
mercial agents and other officers, whether paid by fees or otherwise, matic and consular
slpeciifytiinégl the compensation to he allowed or deemed advisible in eaeh service, ctc.
1 in u case.
Fori allowance   clerks at consulates, ilfty-nine thousand five hun- hgherks at consudred ollars, as o ows:
For the consul at Liverpool, a sum not exceeding the rate of two
thousand five hundred dollars for any one year- and for the consulageneral at London, Paris, Havana, Shanghai, and Bio de Janeiro, each
a sum not exceeding the rate of two thousan dollars for any one year;
for the oonsnlsgeneral at Berlin, Frankfort, Vienna,cand Kanagawa,
and for the eonsnls at Hamburg, Bremen, Manches 1-, Lyons, ong-
Kong, Havre, Crefeld, and Chemnitz, each a sum not exceeding the rate
of one thousand five hundred dollars for any one year ,; for the consulgeneral at Montreal, and the consuls at Bradford and Birminglnanueaoh
a sum not exceeding the rate of one thousand two hundred dollars for
any one year; for the oonsuls-general at Calcutta and Melbourne, and
br the eonsuls at Letpsie, Shemeld, Sonneberg, Dresden Marseilles,
Nuremberg, Tunstall, Antwerp, Bordeaux, Colon (Aspinwall), Glasgow,
and dingapore, each a sum not exceeding the rate of one thouinddollarsforsnyoueymrilfg the nousnlsat Belfast, Barrncanbeith, 
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 24.djvu/602</title>
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or claimants, and such other legal evidence as may be odered in behalf
of such claimant or claimants, and determine who was such owner
and who is entitled to receive said swords under the provisions of this
act. Said court shall certify their judgment to the Secretary of the
Treasury: Provided however, That all claims for said swords shall be Prmyiso. _
tiled with the Secretary of the Treasury within three months from the ,T&quot;“° f°* 6]***8
passage of this act. ° mn&quot;'
Approved, March 3, 1887. '
CHAP. 388.-An act making appropriations for the service of the Post-Oiiice Dc- Mar. 3, 1887.
pargment for the tiscal year ending June thirtietb, eighteen hundred and eighty- -——·——-—-
Olg
Bc it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled, That the following sums be, Portui-service
and the same are hereby, appropriated for the service of the Post-Oliice ¤PPF°P¤¤¤°¤¤-
Department, in conformity with the act of July second, eighteen hun- v01_;,, p_80_
dred and thirtysix, as follow  :
OFFICE OF THE, PORTMASTER—GENERAL. m_£¤¤*¤¤Sf¢¤·G¤¤-
For mail depredations and post·office inspectors, and fees to United _Mai1 depreca-
States marshals, attorneys, and the necessary incidental expenses con- WHS. i¤¤l&gt;¤&lt;=¢¤r¤,
nected therewith, three hundred thousand dollars. - °°°·
For advertising, twenty thousand dollars. Advertising_
For miscellaneous items in the office of the Postmaster-General, one Miscellaneous_
thousand five hundred dollars.
omvrcn or Tim Fmsir ASSISTANT Posrmsrnu-GENERAL. p,£;ll,:;,,Q??E?:E
B .
For compensation to postmasters, eleven million seven hundred thou- uPostmasters.
sand dollars. `
For compensation to clerks in post-offices, live million four hundred Clerks in port.
and fifty thousand dollars. offices-
For rent,.fuel, and light, four hundred and ninety-five thousand dol- I Igent, fuel, and
lars. is t-
And the Postmaster-General is hereby authorized to rent a suitable Rem, washing.
building for use of the branch of the Washington city postoffice, ton City.
known as “Station U,” at a rate not exceeding one thousand dollars per
annum, until further action of Congress.
To pay rent of building for use of the Washington city post—oHioe,
at a rate not exceeding five thousand dollars per annum, five thousand
dollars.
For office furniture, twenty-tive thousand dollars. Furniture.
For miscellaneous and incidental items, seventy thousand dollars. Miscellaneous
For free-delivery service, live million five hundred and twenty-two Free delivery.
thousand five hundred dollars: Provided, That no boxes for the collec- Promo.
tion of mail-matter by carriers shall be placed inside of any building Mailboxes.
except a public building, or a building which is freely open to the public
during business hours, or a railroad station. ·
For stationery in postoffices, fifty thousand dollar Stationery, etc.
For wrapping-twine,_eighty thousand dollars.
For wrappingpaper, thirty thousand dollars.
For letter-ha ances, scales, and testweights, ten thousand dollars.
For postmarking and rating stamps, and ink and pads for stamping
and canceling purposes, thirty thousand dollars. _
ormcn or mm srscorm ASSISTANT POSTMASTER-GENERAL. a§2°°f$2s,,f:::;;Q
eral.
For inland mail transportation, namely: Iliiluud trans-
Inlaud transportation by star routes, five million four hundred thou- 1&gt;&lt;&gt;¤¤ti&lt;&gt;¤·
sand dollars. — · - Sm ’°“*°’·&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 22.djvu/956</title>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 22.djvu/959</title>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 27.djvu/254</title>
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FIFTY-SECOND ooNem1ss. smss. 1. ou. 197. 1892. 227
TRANSPORTING- BEMZAINS or Dr1&gt;LomArrc omvrcrms, coNsULs, AND
CONSULAR cLERKs T0 umm. uomas Fon INTEBMENT.
Defraying the expenses of transporting the remains of diplomatic and R~¤¤¤1¤¤ ¤f minisconsular officers of the United States, including consular clerks, who °°&quot;’°°°&quot;l&quot; °°°'
have died or may die abroad, while in the discharge of their official duties, to their former homes in this country for interment, and for the
prdinary and necessary expenses of such interment, ten thousand dol
ars.
INTERNATIONAL BUREAU or wmmrrs AND MEASURES.
Contribution to the maintenance of the International Bureau of 1¤¤¤fr¤g¤;¢i¤¤¤1 IME
Weights and Measures for the year ending June thirtieth, eighteen ii°.QL$°,.,,, °‘gh°° “°
hundred and ninety-three, in conformity with the terms of the conven- votzc, p. m.
tion of May twenty-fourth, eighteen hundred and seventy-five, the same,
or so much thereof as may be necessary, to be paid, under the direction
of the Secretary of State, to said bureau, on its certificate of apportionment, two thousand two hundred and seventy dollars.
INTERNATIONAL UNION or AMQERICAN BEPUBLICS.
Commercial Bureau of the American Republics, for the prompt col- _ B¤{,¤¤¤m¤¤ Am¤r·
lection and distribution of commercial infomation, as recommended by '°“” °P&quot; °°'
the International American Conference, thirty thousand dollars. The _
sums contributed by the other American Republics for this purpose,
when collected, shall be covered into the Treasury.
CONTINENTAL RAILWAY suuvmr. u$v¤g;f¤¤¤¤ ¤¤·•·v
For payment of the share of the United States of the expense of a 1’¤·ii¤¤i¤¤ry¤¤¤¤y-
preliminary survey for a continental railway recommended by the Internat-ional American Conference, sixty-five thousand dollars: Provided, 1=mam.
That this sum shall be in full of the share of the United States for the Tobein mn.
expense of said preliminary survey: and providcdfurther, That it shall [m015cm_ pwhibited
11ot be lawful for any officer of the United States or persons connected ;,,,;'{I;iE§’,;,'iE§”,T,24{'{g &quot;'
with the international commission of engineers as a representative ot'the
United States to participate in any action as to proposals to build the
whole line of the intercontinental railroad or any part thereof: Provided
further, That to avoid any misunderstanding on the part of the Central and South American Nations it is hereby declared that no officer
of the government of the United States shall commit or attempt to U¤i¤g&gt;d S¤¤v¤¤¤¤¢f&lt;&gt;
commit it to the approval of the surveys, the terms of proposal, the ”pp&quot;&quot;°°“&quot;°&quot; &quot;°‘
protection of the concessionaires, the inspection of the work, the legislation affecting it, the neutrality of the road, the free passage of the
merchandise in transit thereon, or to aid in the construction thereof in
any form, either alone or in connection with other nations interested, and
that the President of the United States cause notice of this declaration N°*i&lt;=¤·
to be communicated to these several nations.
PUBLICATION or INTERNATIONAL CATALOGUE OF nxrours AND 1M-
Pours.
For completion of the compilation and publication, under the direction C¤%;l,·g¤¤ of ¤¢&gt;¤¤·
of the Secretary of State, of a uniform nomenclature of articles of mer- mm &quot;°°`
chandise, exported and imported, in the English, Spanish, and Portu-
Lmese languages, as provided by the International American Confe1·-
ence, ten thousand dollars; and the Public Printer is hereby directed
to issue an edition of one thousand copies for the use of the customs
and consular- service of the United States and five hundred for the governments of the several American Republics, and he is hereby authorized to furnish copies to the public, on application, at a price not to exceed the cost of publication with ten per centum added.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 29.djvu/366</title>
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Southern Ute Indians to whom lands have been allotted and who are
sA1¤¢¤°{) gt N=*&quot;¤i° residing on their allotments. And the Secretary of the Interior shall
mugs' ° °' establish an agency on the Southern Ute Indian Reservation, at Navajo
Springs, in the county of Montezuma, Colorado, and shall cause rations
and supplies to be issued each month or oftener at that point to all
Southern Ute Indians who have not elected to take land in severalty,
under the provisions of the Act entitled *'·An Act to disapprove the
treaty heretofore made with the Southern Ute Indians to be removed
to the Territory of Utah, and providing for settling them in severalty _
when they may so elect and are qualified, and to settle all those not
cleding to take lands in severalty on the west forty miles of the present reservation and in portions of New Mexico, and for other purposes,
and to carry out the provisions of the treaty with said Indians June
fifteenth., eighteen hundred and eighty,&quot; approved February twentieth,
et htven hundred and ninety-five. _
Azemy ¤¤i1¤i¤z¤ lor the erection of suitable agency buildings on said reservation at
Navajo Springs, Montezuma County, Colorado, for the use of such
Southern Ute Indians as have not elected to take allotments of land in
severalty, ten thousand dollars, to be immediately available.
Winncb¤8°°s· WINNEBAGOES. ‘
1¤=¤¤·M· For interest on eight hundred and four thousand nine hundred and
nine dollars and seventeen cents, at live per centum per annum, per
&quot;°*·'·P·5*—i· fourth article of treatyuezf November tu-st, eighteen hundred and thirty-
va 12, p. m. _ seven, and Joint; Beso ion of July seventeenth,eigbteeu hundred and
sixty-two, {orgy thousand two hundred and forty-tive dollars and forty
five cents; an the Secretary of the Interior is hereby directed to expend
said interest for the support, education, and civilization of said Indians;
vu. m,p.zss. For irrteresfon seventy-eight thousand three hundred and forty dollars and forty-one cents, at live per centum per annum, to be expended
under the direction of the Secretary of the Interior, for the erection of
houses improvement of their allotments of land, purchase of stock,
agricultural implements, seeds, and other beuencial objects, three thousand nine hundred and seventeen dollars and two cents; in all, forty-
tour thousand one hundred and sixty-two dollars and iorty-seven cents.
0¤·=&lt;·¤;f•;¤‘ ri¤r(§¤gir• That any sums of money hereafter to be paid per capita to individual
p°y&quot;'°” ° ° ° ° s` Indians shall be paid to said Indians by an officer of the Government
designated by the Secretary of the Interior.
Miscellaneous sup· MISCELLANEOUS SUPPORTS.
ports
05E2y3f:; Qi:,:':: For subsistence and civilization of the Apaches, Kiowas, Comanches,
m.’ Wichitas, and aililiated bands who have been collected in the reservagoas set apart for their use and occupation, one hundred thousand
0 ars.
Cb¤;*_;_r!:h*·~¤ ¤¤·\ For subsistence and civilization of the Arapahoes and Oheyennes who
Y ”‘ have been collected on the reservations set apart for their use and occupation, ninety thousand dollars.
Su€¤ig;¤*‘¤¤· Leke For support and civilization of the Chippewas of Lake Superior,
p° ‘ Wisconsin, to be expended for agricultural and educational purposes,
pay of employees, includin g pay of physician, at one thousand two
hundred dollars, purchase of goods and provisions, and for such other
purposes as may be deemed for the best interest of said Indians, seven
thousand one hundred and twenty-five dollars.
Lgigipgg alstfw For support and civilization of Chippewas of Red Lake and Pembina
°&quot; &quot;’ ’ trilye of Chippewas, Minnesota, and for pay of employees, ten thousand
do lars.
Cliivqswai; White For support of the Otter-Tail, Pillai ger, Pembina and Mississi i
Emil Mm °m°’ Chippewa Indians, on the Wlnite Earth Reservation,’in Dlinnesotapgo
assist them in their agricultural operations, and for pay of physician,
not to exceed one thousand two hundred dollars, ten thousand dollars.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 27.djvu/405</title>
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for condemnation of land and acquiring title for same, in all, sixteen
§r¤ji·¤· thousand three hundred and ten dollars: Provided, That in acquiring
'land for the sites for tablets on the battle iield, the Secretary of War
V¤&gt;1-26.n¤v¤- is authorized to proceed in accordance with act approved March third,
eighteen hundred and ninety-one making appropriations for Sundry
l Civil expenses under title “Chickamauga and Chattanooga·National
Park?
  SURVEY or 1¢01u·¤E1:N AND NORTH WESTEBN LAKES: For printing
&quot;' and issuing charts for use gg Eayigators and eleetrotyping plates
for chart printing two thousa dollars.
For surveys, additions to and correcting engraved plates, five thousand dollars.
m1‘r•¤¤r·&gt;¤i¤s ¤•P¤· TRANSPORTATION or REPORTSAND Mars T0 FOREIGN COUNTRIES:
' For the transportation of reports and maps to foreign countries, through
. the Smithsonian Institution, one hundred dollars.
A¤’¤*°***“¤l*•· °*°· Arwzrrrcur. Lums: For furnishing artificial limbs and apparatus, or
commutation therefor, and necessary transportation to be disbursed
gndepl the digestion of the Secretary of War, one hundred and seventy-
ve thousand o . .
jgma M Mr Arrnuncns ron nrsannnn SOLDIERS: For furnishing surgical
appliances to persons disabled in the military or naval service of the
United Statues, and not entitleldd tloaartificial limbs or trusses for the
` same disa'tie two thonsan o rs.
¤L1’¤1gva1·=¤¤· ¤¤·ri· Surronr Axmslitnnrcrrr Tnmrmnnr on Dnsrrrurn Prrmnrs: For
supipi-n ot emium the support and medical treatment of ninety-five medical and surgical
P·&quot;°”“· patients who are destitute, in the city of Washington, under a contract
tgbe made with gale Providenlegr Hospital by the Surgeon-General of the
rmy, nineteen ousand do s.
Keanu Iemrxial GA:1u¤·1ELo Mmuorzur. _H0s1&gt;ITAL: For maintenance, to enable it to
l_,m,,¤,,°&quot;*“'*_ prlovrde meidlrneal an(;l£)irgrcal treatment to persons unable to pay there
, fifteen usan .
Iilituryconvicts. _ EXPENSES OF MILITARY CONVICTS: For payment of costs and
charges of State penitentiaries, for the care, clothing, maintenance,
apd medical attendgnce of United States military convicts conilned in
t em, five thonsan dollars.
0§cig\ ,.,0.,,,;,,w,, PUBLICATION OF OFFICIAL Rrzcorms or rms Wm OF THE RE-
°*(gl;;t§_fb?m¤éhH“_ BELLIONZ For continuing the publication of the Official Records of
um. mu) the Union and Confederate Armies, including the atlas of maps and
plans, in accordance with the plan approved by the Secretary of War,
sum may M August third, eighteen hundred and eighty, the printing and binding
c,,,,g,,,§’,_ `“°° of five hundred copies thereof for the use of Senators, Members, and
Delegates of the I· ifty-sec0nd Congress, to be printed and bound under
the direction of the Joint Committee on Printing, and for the compen-
€iri¤=¤¤l»&lt;&gt;¤·1- sation of the civilian members of the board of publication, appointed
V°‘·25- ¥’· °&quot;°- in accordance with the act of March second, eighteen hundred and
ei ghtymine, and for the compensation of such temporary expert services
in connection with the preparation, publication and distribution of said
records as maybe deemed necessary by the Secretary of War, such
experts to be selected and appointed by the Secretary of War, from
time to time, as the necessity therefor arises, and for the purchase of
stationery and for additional rent, not exceeding one thousand eight
hundred dollars, two hundred and thirty-tlve thousand dollars.
Reprintof nm live The Secretary of War is hereby directed to ascertain what number
}`§{j{“‘°“ &quot;’ °°&quot;‘*”“'“ of copies of the iirst five volumes of the Rebellion Record is required
to complete sets of this series in the possession of libraries or persons
supplied with subsequent volumes under existing provisions of law,
whether such distribution has been through the War Department or
otherwise; and the Public Printer is authorized and directed to furnish
upon the requisition of the Secretary of War, the number of copies of
each volume required for this purpose, which shall be used exclusively
  f by the Secretary of War for completing such sets: Provided, the same
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==Works==
* ''The Rivals, a Serio-Comic Tragedy'' (under the pseudonym &quot;T. Hall&quot;)
* ''[[The Spectre Bride]]'' (published in 1821 as ''[[The Baron's Bridal]]''; republished anonymously in 1822 as The Spectre Bride)
* ''Sir John Chiverton'' (1826, with [[Author:John Partington Aston|John Partington Aston]])
* ''Rookwood'' (1834) {{small scan link|Rookwood vol 1.djvu}}
* ''The Admirable Crichton'' (1837)
* ''Jack Sheppard: A Romance'' (1839), in 3 vols. {{ext scan link|1=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma01ains|2=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma02ains|3=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma03ains}}
* ''The Tower of London'' (1840)
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* ''Guy Fawkes'' (1841)
* ''Old Saint Paul's: A Tale of the Plague and Fire''  (1841)
* ''The Miser's Daughter'' (1842)
* {{WD author|Q8024579|Q112068703}}
* ''Saint James's'' (1844)
* ''Auriol'', published in serial form as ''Revelations of London'' (1844) [http://www.litgothic.com/Texts/auriol1.html]
** ''A Night in Rome'' {{ext scan link|1=http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602961h.html}} was appended to ''Auriol'' in an 1856 edition
* ''James the Second'' (1848)
* ''The Lancashire Witches: A Romance of Pendle Forest'', serialized in ''Sunday Times'' (1848)
** published by Henry Colburn, in three volumes (1849) {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche01ains}}, {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche02ains}}, {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche03ains}}
** published by George Routledge and Sons, Limited, (1897) {{small scan link|The Lancashire witches, a romance of Pendle forest; (IA lancashirewitche00ainsrich).pdf}}
* ''The Flitch of Bacon'' (1854)
* ''The Star Chamber: An Historical Romance'' (1854)
* ''The Spendthrift'' (1857)
* ''The Life and Adventures of Mervyn Clitheroe'' (1858)
* ''The Combat of the Thirty'' (1859)
* ''Ovingdean Grange: A Tale of the South Downs'' (1860)
* {{WD author|Q112081995|Q112082001}}
* ''The Lord Mayor of London'' (1862)
* ''Cardinal Pole'' (1863)
* ''John Law'' (1864)
* ''The Spanish Match'' (1865)
* ''The Constable de Bourbon'' (1866)
* ''Old Court'' (1867)
* ''Myddleton Pomfret'' (1868)
* ''Hilary St. Ives'' (1870)
* ''Tower Hill'' (1871)
* ''The South-Sea Bubble'' (1871)
* ''Talbot Harland'' (1871)
* ''Boscobel'' (1872) {{ext scan link|1=http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602941.txt}}
* ''The Good Old Times'' (1873)
* ''Merry England'' (1874)
* ''The Goldsmith's Wife'' (1875)
* ''Preston Fight; or, The Insurrection of 1715 ''(1875)
* ''The Leaguer of Lathom: A Tale of the Civil War in Lancashire'' (1876)
* ''Chetwynd Calverley: A Tale'' (1876)
* ''The Fall of Somerset'' (1877)
* ''Beatrice Tyldesley'' (1878)
* ''Beau Nash'' (1879)
* ''Stanley Brereton'' (1881)

===As editor===
* ''Bentley's Miscellany'', 1839 to December 1841, 1854 to 1868
* ''[[Ainsworth’s Magazine]]'', 1842 to 1853
* ''[[New Monthly Magazine]]'', June 1845 to 1870

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* ''Sir John Chiverton'' (1826, with [[Author:John Partington Aston|John Partington Aston]])
* ''Rookwood'' (1834) {{small scan link|Rookwood vol 1.djvu}}
* ''The Admirable Crichton'' (1837)
* ''Jack Sheppard: A Romance'' (1839), in 3 vols. {{ext scan link|1=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma01ains|2=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma02ains|3=https://archive.org/details/jacksheppardroma03ains}}
* ''The Tower of London'' (1840)
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* ''Guy Fawkes'' (1841)
* ''Old Saint Paul's: A Tale of the Plague and Fire''  (1841)
* ''The Miser's Daughter'' (1842)
* {{WD author|Q8024579|Q112068703}}
* ''Saint James's'' (1844)
* ''Auriol'', published in serial form as ''Revelations of London'' (1844) [http://www.litgothic.com/Texts/auriol1.html]
** ''A Night in Rome'' {{ext scan link|1=http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602961h.html}} was appended to ''Auriol'' in an 1856 edition
* ''James the Second'' (1848)
* ''The Lancashire Witches: A Romance of Pendle Forest'', serialized in ''Sunday Times'' (1848)
** published by Henry Colburn, in three volumes (1849) {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche01ains}}, {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche02ains}}, {{ext scan link|https://archive.org/details/lancashirewitche03ains}}
** published by George Routledge and Sons, Limited, (1897) {{small scan link|The Lancashire witches, a romance of Pendle forest; (IA lancashirewitche00ainsrich).pdf}}
* ''The Flitch of Bacon'' (1854)
* ''The Star Chamber: An Historical Romance'' (1854)
* ''The Spendthrift'' (1857)
* ''The Life and Adventures of Mervyn Clitheroe'' (1858)
* ''The Combat of the Thirty'' (1859)
* ''Ovingdean Grange: A Tale of the South Downs'' (1860)
* {{WD author|Q112081995|Q112082001}}
* ''The Lord Mayor of London'' (1862)
* ''Cardinal Pole'' (1863)
* ''John Law'' (1864)
* ''The Spanish Match'' (1865)
* ''The Constable de Bourbon'' (1866)
* ''Old Court'' (1867)
* ''Myddleton Pomfret'' (1868)
* ''Hilary St. Ives'' (1870)
* ''Tower Hill'' (1871)
* ''The South-Sea Bubble'' (1871)
* ''Talbot Harland'' (1871)
* ''Boscobel'' (1872) {{ext scan link|1=http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602941.txt}}
* ''The Good Old Times'' (1873)
* ''Merry England'' (1874)
* ''The Goldsmith's Wife'' (1875)
* ''Preston Fight; or, The Insurrection of 1715 ''(1875)
* ''The Leaguer of Lathom: A Tale of the Civil War in Lancashire'' (1876)
* ''Chetwynd Calverley: A Tale'' (1876)
* ''The Fall of Somerset'' (1877)
* ''Beatrice Tyldesley'' (1878)
* ''Beau Nash'' (1879)
* ''Stanley Brereton'' (1881)

===As editor===
* ''Bentley's Miscellany'', 1839 to December 1841, 1854 to 1868
* ''[[Ainsworth’s Magazine]]'', 1842 to 1853
* ''[[New Monthly Magazine]]'', June 1845 to 1870

==Works about Ainsworth==
* {{authority/link
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== `crat ==

cf. [[Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Bureaucrat|WS:AN#Bureaucrat]],

Any chance you'd be interested in being a `crat? Ideally we'd have three—for redundancy and to spread the load—and right now we're down to a single `crat who has very little time for the project. I'm hoping BD will pick up the ball, and if I could rope another &lt;del&gt;gullible fool&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;solid community member&lt;/ins&gt; into taking it on we'd be up three and Hesperian would have the option to resign without feeling guilty if they'd like to. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
: I endorse this plea. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Just had a look at our current stats. 397 active users, 25 sysops, and 2 bureaucrats. I prefer the ratio of sysops to active users to be ca. 10–12. At the moment it's 16. Growing the number of sysops then means more bureaucrats are needed, so that the ratio is similar. I'm UTC+12; Hesperian is UTC+8; I don't know BD's time-zone (guessing between -5 and -8). If that's thought to be a sufficient time-spread, then I'll let my name go forward. If, however, it's decided we need coverage in other time-zones rather than mine, that's okay. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::Having a nice 24/7 spread of `crats would be nice, but the reality is that both of our current `crats have either resigned (Mpaa) or indicated that they desire to do so and are mostly staying on out of a sense of duty to the community (Hesperian). If we get you and BD elected we'd be up to two (+ however long we can fairly hope that Hesperian stays on to share of their experience). In other words, right now I'm not so much concerned with the optimum upper limit or spread as by the absolute ''minimum'' number we need to be self-sufficient.{{parabr}}Or put another way: if the community wants more timezonely diversified `crats they can darn well go find and recruit them! :) --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Oh, I don't disagree with that sentiment. I'm not averse to the proposal, but I won't be doing a self-nom. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
::::: I'm happy to [[Special:Diff/10828453|do the nom'ing]]! :) --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding photos to Hokitika 1921 ==

I wonder if I could get some help with the [[Index:Hokitika NZ Evans 1921.pdf|index for Hokitika (1921)]]. I scanned the photographic plates tipped in after page 8 and uploaded the new PDF, but now the pagination is all messed up, and I'm not sure how to fix it. BTW I've contacted Hokitika Museum to see if we can get higher quality scans of those photos for Commons; if now I'll just upload the bad scanned versions sans caption. Thanks! —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 22:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{done}}. You also need to give consideration on how to transclude this text. Do you see it as a single document? Or as four articles contained within it? I would do the latter, but the transclusion is then a little more complicated to do. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 07:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks for sorting that! I'll upload placeholder photos to Commons so we can complete the work, and add better scanned versions as we can source them.

::I'd be inclined to keep the pamphlet as a single document. It was a conceived as a unit: the three other essays refer to each other and cross-reference, and two were written as supplements to the main Evans piece, presumably to make the whole thing substantial enough to sell as a fund-raising booklet (with the Haast material probably added as filler). So I think the work is best viewed as a single multi-chaptered publication with four authors. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 21:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Giantflightlessbirds}} I've just realised that I didn't quite say what I meant about transcluding the pamphlet. I agree that it is a unit, but I was thinking about putting each of the articles on a subpage—akin to chapters of a work. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

::::Oh I see! Yes, having them as &quot;chapters&quot; would absolutely make sense. Sorry, new to this. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 19:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::Transcluded at [[Hokitika, N.Z.]] (and subpages). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

== Closures ==

Hi,

In case it helps, I have checklists that I follow to ensure I don't miss a step: [[User:Hesperian/Notes/Admin closure]].

[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:Thanks. I had a feeling I'd missed something, but couldn't think what it was—updating the dates in the table. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

== Gadgetified old toolbar via enWP ==

I have hacked what enWP have done to get the old toolbar together and gadgetified, and just stole their extra buttons. Can you indicate to me what you would like to see in enWS buttons, and I will look to put them in place. I still have my old code in my common.js, though they are not being picked up, though if it is you and me alone, then I am willing to make our favourites the globals in a complete vested interest approach. :-)

Now that I have it working, I will attune it for local general use, throw in some things that I want, and attend to your wishes. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
:I have populated it with lots of the gumph that I use, still working on getting personal additions working, so those that are problems I can remove. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

::Just turned the gadget on. A little odd to see it again after more than two years without one. The only buttons that I would use from the current set are: nowiki; add hyphenated word; insert a reference. From my common.js I miss the zoom buttons the most. Also, an OCR button would be useful. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Oh of course. &lt;facepalm&gt; They will be somewhere in the proofread scripts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:9A00:20D0:8129:8EE4:D748:9B9E]] ==

Please block this user, they are being horribly annoying. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 17:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

== Patrolling ==

Hello, I'm sorry to bother you. I don't know where to write, so I ask you.
I would like to be Patrol. What should I do? I'm here regularly, and I'm diligent. Thanks for your help :) [[User:Lois131|Lois131]] ([[User talk:Lois131|talk]]) 10:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Lois131}} Thank you for the offer. To patrol effectively, you need to understand our policies, so spend some time reading through the links in the Welcome message on your Talk page. It's also helpful to be aware of the Speedy Delete reasons on [[WS:CSD]]. A brief summary of how to patrol and what to look for is on [[Help:Patrolling]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Thank you, I'm still reading and learning. And of course I'm editing and proofreading my favourite texts/books. And if I'm ready for patrolling, where do I write? What should I do? Thanks :) [[User:Lois131|Lois131]] ([[User talk:Lois131|talk]]) 08:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
:::There is no special place other than looking at Recent Changes and seeing what comes up. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

== Undelete Request  ==

[[Index:The complete works of Count Tolstoy (IA completeworksofc22tols).pdf]] was not a duplicate. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 11:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
:I didn't notice the offset in the speedy request on this one. Restored and deleted 21 as the correct duplicate. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

== Line breaks ==

Hi there,

I think when you were demonstrating editing for me you had a tool for removing line breaks – or did I imagine it? We're plodding along here in Hokitika, with a couple of works now transcluded and available in Overdrive to borrow. I've been clearing copyright on a couple of Google Books scans, and found most of our hit list of works already scanned and in IA or Hathi Trust, so have started moving them to Wikisource. We have one keen volunteer and a newbie, and another library interested in scanning works. So some progress is happening. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 03:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

== GRP ==

Is George Reeves Person. Long time abuser from Illinois area. Just another PITA that occasionally appears here, though typically user pages. You know the type that throw a spanner and we just shut down their haunts, they get bored and typically go away as we don't want to play with them, and they don't get their rocks off. &lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

== [[Author:A. Maud Moreland]] ==

Do you know anything more about the author than is on the author page or the front of the publication? Quick search doesn't show much evident for NZ, though quite probably restricting to NZ won't find much life information. Presuming that it is a female author, though not even a guarantee of that. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

== NC Uploads... ==

I see you deleted a lot of these?  Do you plan on filing DR at Commons? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:Also - (Source site has an apparent NC clause. Shall I keep looking?)
:: [[Index:First_Folio_(West_192)]] 
:: [[Index:First Folio (West 150).pdf]]

[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:: I would suggest looking for other uploads from the relevant source as well. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:::I have no plans to do anything in respect to this matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

== Some Account of New Zealand ==

Hi there, the file update you made to [[Some Account of New Zealand]] has essentially broken the entire book. Have a look at any transcribed page after page 6 and you'll see the wrong transcriptions are now on the wrong pages. Additionally, one of the images in your new upload is much poorer quality, and the upload has the Google boiler page included. Can we revert to the previous file? Thanks, [[User:Supertrinko|Supertrinko]] ([[User talk:Supertrinko|talk]]) 21:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
:The fixes are still in progress. Currently waiting for a bot to move the later pages back by seven. Once that's done, the transclusions will be fixed. We never use images from the pdf itself, so I will update those as well. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
::Perfect, thanks very much for letting me know :) You shouldn't need to update the images, I cropped and uploaded those as separate files. [[User:Supertrinko|Supertrinko]] ([[User talk:Supertrinko|talk]]) 03:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

== poke confirmed ==

Hi. Would you mind popping past [[Special:UserRights/SOyeyele_(WMF)]] and assigning confirmed rights. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]: Uhm. Why? Sam has a grand total of one edit on enWS, and judging by their user page they are unlikely to make further edits beyond possibly a MassMessage or five. Certainly nothing that requires editing over autoconfirmed protection (which they'll get after 4 days / 10 edits anyway). This seems really arbitrary. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 15:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

::There was two, now three, regulars who thought otherwise. I think it appropriate to give a known wikimedia user the tick right off, one from the WMF seems an obvious exception to whatever protection autoconfirmed affords the site. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 16:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Xover}} [[Special:Abuselog]]. It is only &quot;confirmed&quot;, what is the issue? Not asking for the crown jewels, and I hardly do these things for the halibut.  — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]: Oh, I see. With that context the +confirmed makes sense.{{pbr}}But the flip side is that to me the two relevant filters then look like they are excessively sensitive and apt to generate false positives like this one. I don't have the history that necessitated those filters with those particular (very low) threshold values, nor enough experience with the Abuse Filters facility, to be able to have a very firmly-founded opinion on it; but my takeway is that we might want to do some tuning of those to avoid false positives like this.{{pbr}}And there was no problem implied as such. It just didn't make sense with the available context, and I saw no request on-wiki that would explain it, so I wanted to figure out what the reasoning was. Worst case, as with now, I'd learn something. *shrug* [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Xover}} I [[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/478|modified one filter]], and I left the other, as it is a rare event with a way out per this request. I look at output from filters one, two or three times a day, and tweak them as required to minimise FPs. Our filters are [[Special:AbuseFilter/history|well-tended]] and those that dissuade or prevent action are minimal. I am always happy to explain my actions, and I cannot think that I would ask for any rights change for an arbitrary reason. I don't do arbitrary. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Tool to remove the background of a drawing/sketch/illustration ==

Hi there,

Thanks for the useful presentation this past weekend at WikiCon. I think I missed this part of your Adam seems to remember a tool you talked about that removed the background of a drawing or sketch, possibly automatically. Would you be able to share what this might have been? Thanks. [[User:HughLilly|HughLilly]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 01:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|HughLilly}} I use IrfanView. It's a free download for Windows or Linux. Unfortunately not available for MacOS. To pull up the Paint dialog, press F12. The tool is the Color Replacer [''sic'']. Have fun, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

== Piano / sheet music-related question ==

Unrelated to Wikisource. May I email you? [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 15:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
:Of course. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Question. Do the LilyPond transcriptions not have the sound files generated at the end of the scores anymore? Do I remember correctly that they used to? [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 13:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:LilyPond got turned off in July last year and has only recently been allowed again. While it wasn't available any scores that had vorbis=1 in the opening tag caused documents to fail to render. So, we commented out most of the vorbis statements. Now, that it's working again, it is safe to reinstate them. You may find that some scores fail because of technical problems. Let me know and I'll see what can be done to fix them. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
::Okay. Thanks. I was just going to play around with a file (in preview mode only) sometime in the near future to see how something &quot;translates&quot;, but it is for personal purposes only, so I don't want to bother anyone with it :) [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 23:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 26.djvu]] ==

You plan to do the pageslist yourself? Thanks :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

== If two weeks ==

Hi. Hope that you are well, and not overly hampered by A's restrictions. If there is a new measure for closing, would you be so kind to have that reflected in [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]. I don't have an issue with the time period, just wish to manage expectations. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

== &quot;recent changes&quot; ==

First, thank you for explaining what you changed in the most recent move log.  I looked at it and looked at it.  Then again and some more.  Now, I have a question.  Is the little line that has a dedicated key on most english keyboards a dash or a hyphen?  LaTeX thinks it is a minus sign, which is, lord knows, fine by me.  Thank you for your time (and talk space)in settling my somewhat stupified state.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 00:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

:The key on the keyboard produces a hyphen. Technically a minus-sign is a different character, but the hyphen is generally used in general texts. There are two forms of dashes: the en-dash (–), used to separate ranges; and the em-dash (—), used to indicate a break in thought. It is our policy that page names only use a hyphen, even when an en-dash is correct, which is what I was adjusting, as I accidentally used the en-dash before and after the pipe, instead of after only. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
::Thank you so much.  My list of little lines that have meanings just went from 3 to 5 in number.  And yes, there is a lot wrong with LaTeX, it is good that the &amp;lt;math /&gt; space allows so many wrongs and such untidinesss.  This &quot;knowing&quot; of the hyphen key, that you shared with me just now -- I feel greatly settled and gently amused by that in the Recent Changes. May you have such a good day (or night) for this as I am now!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 00:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

== Usage of Scans Template ==

I see that you are reverting my usages of {{tl|scan}} because &quot;don't link to scans when they are fully validated&quot; Is this a hard rule? My idea was to use scan to distinguish texts that are scan-backed from non-scan backed. Do you know where I can find the rules governing the usage of {{tl|scan}} ?[[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:The backend arcana of Index: and Page: spaces should (mostly) be transparent to the normal reader. Putting a link to the Index: page on a work indicates that there is more to be done to complete it. Complete works don't need this. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]]: Also, all scan-backed pages automatically get a link to the relevant Index: page through the &quot;Source&quot; page tab at the top of the page. To the degree we have a need to technically differentiate further (which I am not necessarily convinced of) we need to look at other methods; and a principle for any template-based tagging would be that we tag the pages that are a &quot;problem&quot;—the non-scan-backed ones—and not the ones that are actually up to current standards. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:: {{re|Xover}} Ok, I see that the ultimate goal is to present clean links on pages. However, I think that it's also helpful to easily visually distinguish scan-backed texts from non-scanned-backed texts. Would either of you support adding a template to tag non-scanned backed version, say with perhaps this icon [[file:Edit-delete-not encyclopedic2.svg|25px]]. Maybe call it, {{tl|noscan}}? [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 12:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
::: Once idea I had is to use the wikidata not proofread / proofread / validated icons (we could even pull them from wikidata). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:::: That might not be a bad idea and save quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to look ahead at the link on the Author/Portal/Version ns and see if it is from a transcluded text and, if so, the status of the entire Index, and then automatically add an icon. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
::::: Definitely NOT on the Author pages. Keep them as simple as possible: do we host such and such a work? That's all they're meant to indicate. The mainspace is where the indication of status lives. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
: FYI, I find that scan image confusing now that we also have &quot;Ready for Export&quot; (i.e. that book implies good for e-book rather than having scans), but that is another whole topic... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== scores and stupid users ==

I did.  I found at least two songbooks and uploaded them here and added the needs score template.

I tried to proof the words, but I did not and still do not know what form would be best for the software and and person applying the software to the words would be.

It is easier for me to believe that a person would be not musical, yet interested in music than a person being interested in math but not mathy.  The subjects are similar, very similar from what little I know of music and its notation, but they don't map onto the world and its inhabitant the same way.

And further, I have an aversion to GUILE, Lisp and my first online experience with scripting language howtos was something like &quot;Script-fu in one Unfun&quot;.  I was going to install lilypond and when I saw it required guile, I considered removing my eyeballs so they could roll in a bigger circle.  I used to think it was the curly brackets, but I am here and templates require three on each side, so it isn't that.  Maybe it is a learned bias, although, some of my snobberies are there to keep me from doing too much.

So, this is a rant, and it is mostly about how undeserving of ranting I am.  55 needs math templates and the person isn't proofing the pages, just smacking the template on them.  But I can't rant because I basically did that also.

The image software has a script-fu server running at all times.  I remember a kindly person hinting about the file chooser also.

So, no need to reply, I am unloading, in an I'm sorry sort of way.  

And in other conversations https://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/charref says that &amp;amp;hyphen == &amp;amp;dash and I say that I appreciate that you use hyphen as its name since there is a whole dash family.  I downloaded that page and sent it to my ereader and none of it displayed.  None!!! 

Thank you for your time and participation in this sad, sorry sorry sorry rant.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 05:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

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== Playford ==

Thank you for your help with formatting at [[Index:The_English_Dancing_Master-John_Playford-1651.pdf]]. I'm still pretty inexperienced here and your fixes let me figure out what to do. I've copied your formatting methods on subsequent pages of the TOC; you saved me a lot of trial and error. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 03:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

== Help with formatting ==

Hi Beeswaxcandle. I need help here:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

I have played around with the spacing in the last section but can't get it right. I don't understand coding and just copy what others have done, but that means there's a lot I'm doing wrong. I'd like to align the page numbers so they are right-justified.

I see that you have done this page, so you know how to do this:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Lewis_Carroll_-_Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland.djvu/19

Would you please do enough lines so I can then copy what you've done and finish it? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 17:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Valjean}} Like you, I've learnt from copying what others have done. This is best done as a table. I've done the first page completely and started the second. As I don't know what the names of the pages will be when they're transcluded, I haven't done any links. If you have any questions about why I done particular things, please drop me a note here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Wow! That looks great. Thanks so much. I notice there are three errors (pp. 24, 25, pp. 39, 40, and p. 61 got lost). -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
::: The narrow width of the side by side view means that content longer than the word &quot;Page&quot; at the head of the column gets squished. However, when transcluded at full width of screen (or viewed in preview), everything will look fine. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: I see what you mean, but that means that it looks wrong at 100% but right at 90%. The lost p. 61 is still a problem. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
On this page

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/488

It doesn't look right until I'm down to 50%. There's got to be a way for it to look right at 100%. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

: Okay, I've forced the width of the last column on that page by setting a dummy row in the header. When it gets to pairs of three digits, we'll need to look at that again and make sure it's still the correct width. wrt the &quot;61&quot; at the bottom of /487, that's a binder's mark indicating that fascicle 61 starts here. It's part of how books used to be produced and makes sure that all the sections are in the right order. As such it's irrelevant to producing books on the web, and by policy we omit all of these. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:: That fixed it. I think there are several pages with those fascicle numbers. I'll find and remove them. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I tried forcing the width of the last column on this page

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

but it still only looks right at 90%. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

::Because /487 is the first page of the table, we need to set the parameters when initiating it. These will carry through to all the pages after transcluding. The later pages just need to look okay in the Page: namespace, which is why the parameters are set in the header field. I've tweaked it, see how it works for you now. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
::: So that info in the header field doesn't need to be repeated on each page? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: Technically, no it's not needed, but I recommend you do as it helps you see when a line is out of whack. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Another issue... I think there's too much space between the heading (INDEX) and the body [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/489 here]. I'm not sure how to fix that. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 16:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:This is something that will sort itself out when transclusion happens. What you're seeing is the empty table row from the header box. In most tables of contents that I've dealt with there is a repeated word &quot;Pages&quot; at the top of every page that fills in that gap and makes it less obvious. This one is the exception. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:: The &quot;page&quot; word is only used once, on the [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487 first Index page]. Shouldn't we fix this on all the next pages? There's too big of a gap. I'm hesitant to proceed further until this is resolved. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
::: I've transcluded the three pages done so far to [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox]]. As you can see there is no gap at the page changes. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: That looks quite different than the individual pages we edit. So what is it that readers will see? Will they read it as the individual pages we edit or as a long transcluded version? If it's the transcluded version, then we're wasting editing effort on headers and footers since they won't show in the transcluded version. Help me understand this. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::::: I have tried your transclusion trick here: [[User:Valjean/The Federalist]], but it lacks the small links on the left side. Why is that? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::: Now I've tried it on a Sandbox page, and it works. Weird. [[User:Valjean/Sandbox]] -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::: The page links only show in particular namespaces. The arcana of which I leave to the tech-nerds. The readers of the work in the mainspace will see the long transcluded version. Anyone who clicks on the small page links in the left margin will see the page as it is in the Page: namespace. The reason for doing the headers/footers in the Page: namespace is as an aid to navigation. Other editors here go to great lengths to match them exactly. My personal view is to replicate the content in an approximate form. However, I've found that battles are reduced if I strike a middle ground. However, there are some things, like table tags and some templates that must be in the header/footer fields to allow for correct representation in the mainspace. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

==Editing my user page==
Do you have any idea why I can't edit my user page? It seems to be transcluded and what should be the edit tab says this: &quot;view on meta.wikimedia.org&quot;. Clicking that tab does take me [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Valjean here]. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:wrt to editing your user page: It looks like you've set up a global user page at some time. I don't remember where the settings for this live. Probably on meta. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Okay, I'll check my preferences there. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 03:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Baby steps in Wikisource ==

You've kindly suggested as I'm new to enWS that a small proofreading or validation task would be good as a first step. 
My interests include: NZ Women (biographies and other material esp in relation to suffrage),Children's literature, NZ law. 
Thanks [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

:{{ping|Noracrentiss}} A validation task that would be useful is to go through some of the laws listed at [[Portal:Royal Society of New Zealand]]. Validation is being a second pair of eyes on the text. Did the proofreader (me) get all the spellings and punctuation correct? There's no need to worry about the layout for these, as that's already dealt with. To get to the scans to verify against, click on the &quot;Source&quot; button along the top above the page header. That will take you to the Index: page. From there you can click on any yellow page in the pagelist and then verify the text side-by-side with the scan. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} I have reviewed the [[Royal Society of New Zealand Act 1997|Royal Society of New Zealand Act]] and &quot;Validated&quot; all but 4 pages where I corrected some minor typos. I left these pages as unvalidated as I assume someone will need to check that my corrections are in fact correct. I forgot to put a note about what I had changed on the first page but think I remembered to do it on the other 3 pages. I wasn't sure if this is the correct procedure. so will hold off doing any more validation until I get confirmation (or otherwise) about whether or not I'm on the right track. (And as an aside, my reason for choosing this particular Act to do first is that when I worked for MORST (MBIE's predecessor), I was involved in &quot;shepherding&quot; this actual Act through Parliament. )
::{{ping|Noracrentiss}} It's fine to mark corrected pages as Validated—particularly if the corrections are minor. It's only when I've had to make major changes, like a complete re-do that I leave it as Proofread. Your aside is a big part of what makes doing this stuff so interesting. I'm working on tracking down some material on NZ suffrage. I was hoping to find some materials via ''Eliza &amp; the White Camellia'' that was published for the 125th anniversary of 1893, (Eliza was my great-great-grandmother.) but there's no bibliography. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

== Thanks for the autopatroller rights ==

Thanks for the change to my rights!  I've been dabbling for awhile and still having fun.  Have an easy day! [[User:The Eloquent Peasant|The Eloquent Peasant]].

== The Lady of the Camellias ==

Hi, you leaved me a note about [[The Lady of the Camellias]] requesting chapter split, soo I did, I would also like to know how I could reduce the text width like for example in the French version: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Dame_aux_cam%C3%A9lias/I ? Thanks.
:{{ping|BluePrawn}} My preference is to allow readers to select their desired layout rather than force it on them, so I am not the one to ask how to force it. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:: I can understand your point of view, it's true that different people can have different taste, but it's not true that if someone prefer the other layout he/she can get it, there's no css switcher on wikisource to select different layout, the maximum someone can do is reduce the browser window width, and then the text will still stay very close to the left menu which is disturbing to read the content, and the text will not be justified. Most people probably prefer justified text in books, because I've never seen even a single book where the text is not justified. I also think that we have several centuries of experience about how to make a good layout for novel books, they almost always have about something similar because this is what is the easier to read for everyone ; if really a lot of reader would like different layout for books we would find in book shops a lot of different kind of book presentation. But I still share your opinion about not force a presentation, in the example I gave the width of the text is expressed in fixed pixel in the css instead of percentage of the window, which is personally what I prefer, but for the one I helped on the English wikisource it would still be nice to add some padding on the left and right which would not force anything while the reader will still be able to resize his window to change the width of the text. Anyway it's only a small detail and a minor issue, still thanks for your answer :)

== West Coast Task Force ==

The West Coast Task Force [[Wikisource:West Coast Task Force|project page]] is growing, as we now have a paid person at Grey District Library scanning regularly, and have received a little grant money. Lots more works being added to Wikisource over the next few months. Thank you for all your support of the project, and feel free to formally add yourself to the team if you'd like to contribute regularly. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 21:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== {{tl|ls}} doesn't work properly with {{tl|hws}} ==

Hi, a [[Page:A general history of the pyrates, from their first rise and settlement in the Island of Providence, to the present time (1724).djvu/17|page]] I've transcribed has hyphenated word that contains &quot;ſ&quot; (''diſ-cover’d''). I've tried to use the {{tl|ls}} template with the {{tl|hws}}, but it breaks the span title because it itself cannot contain spans. Is there any way around this issue? [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 20:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

:You can pass something in the &quot;title&quot; parameter (e.g. discover'd) to populate the tool tip. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 20:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 08:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated - Draft Strategy 2022-2025 Feedback Round ==

Kia ora,

The Committee of Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated have developed a draft strategy for 2022 -2025. Feedback from members of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand that are New Zealanders or residents of Pacific islands without an established chapter is encouraged. The draft strategy can be read and commented on at this Google docs link  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XoqMupo_5TlLs_6xuMU-3KU5_Lzks8unwFRo4QuDVM4/edit?usp=sharing  or in the discussion page of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand by adding a New Topic. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand  The feedback round closes at midnight Sunday 9 October 2022. [[User:Einebillion|Einebillion]] ([[User talk:Einebillion|talk]]) 03:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

== Greek in Matthew Henry ==

Mystified as to the purpose of your change and comment, though it's not particularly a problem.  The Greek is part of the quotation from the Bible.  Quotations from the Bible (and from other books) are what is italicized in Matthew Henry.  The Greek letters are slanted in the page image.  Therefore I don't see a problem with them being italicized.  This is what I've done before on other pages.  Matthew Henry frequently has bilingual quotations - e.g. a Latin and its English equivalent, both in italics. [[User:PeterR2|PeterR2]] ([[User talk:PeterR2|talk]]) 09:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
:Standard print convention is that words and phrases that are normally italicised are put into roman if they occur in an italicised section of text. ''i.e.'' they're always the opposite of the surrounding text. This was the intent of my comment. However, here at enWS we don't normally italicise Greek anyway. Instead we use the marking templates. These both mark the text as being in the language and use a special Greek font that is more readable than the Greek letters in the standard fonts. Italicising characters that are not standard Roman glyphs doesn't really make sense. The purpose of italicising is to provide emphasis. The fact that a different alphabet is being used is already emphasis enough. In Henry's work, the Greek just looks italicised because that's the nature of the font the publisher has used. There are similar issues in Cyrillic and Hebrew (and Indic) texts. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

== Submission Result - Wikisource - ESEAP 2022: Reconnect ==

Dear Beeswaxcandle,

My name is Ghozi. I’m co-ordinator of Program Committee for ESEAP 2022: Reconnect.

Thank you for submitting a proposal for the conference. Program Committee decided to accept your proposal for the [[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022/Program | program ]].

We have placed you in the Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource. Please find the details regarding your session below.


1) Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource (60 mins)

Moderator - TBC

- Opening - (5 mins)

- Beeswaxcandle (40 mins)

- QA - (10 mins)

- Closing - (5 mins)


Please let us know if you’re okay with this arrangement. After we got your confirmation, we may need your email and CC you in a new thread with everyone involved in this session, so everyone can discuss the session more.

Thank you, stay healhty and have a good day.


Best regards,

Ghozi Septiandri

On behalf of the Program Committee

[[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022 | ESEAP 2022: Reconnect]] [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 14:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

:Hello Beeswaxcandle,
:I saw your name in the list of [[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022/Participants|participants]] :)
:Let me know which media/medium you are comfortable talking more about your session.
:Best,
:Ghozi [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 22:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Ghozi, Timing looks to be fine, although a QA session seems to be superfluous in an active workshop setting and I expect to be answering questions throughout. What do you need from me in terms of &quot;discussion&quot; of the session? The only two venues to contact me are on this talk page or via the email this user function. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello Beeswaxcandle,
:::No need to worry about the QA part. This details above is a draft. We will build the session based on what you need. You can add more speakers if someone reaches you after the submission to join the panel. There're a lot of new names related to Wikisource from the list of participant, we can send an invitation to join this panel. 
:::After the official announce tomorrow, we plan to have a chat together (organizer, moderator and speaker/s) next week. We can do that here :) if you want. [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 02:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

== Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource! - ESEAP 2022: Reconnect ==

Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource!
 
Thanks for your passion, effort, and support to build the program for the ESEAP 2022: Reconnect. Please see the updated draft for this session below.
 
Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource&lt;br&gt;
Moderator: Satdeep Gill (WMF)&lt;br&gt;
- Opening (5 mins)&lt;br&gt;
- Beeswaxcandle (NZL) (40 mins) (from submission)&lt;br&gt;
- QA (10 mins)&lt;br&gt;
- Closing (5 mins)&lt;br&gt;
 
Note:&lt;br&gt;
1) If you have a presentation file please send the file here. Or you can upload it into commons and send the link here before 15 November 2022.&lt;br&gt;
2) We will ask participant to not take any picture for privacy policy.&lt;br&gt;
3) Please write your short bio for the moderator to introduce the speaker.&lt;br&gt;
4) You may want to wear something iconic from your origin country such as a national costume or trademark (flag, toy, flower, animal, etc) at the Friday Night Social Event.&lt;br&gt;
5) This session is not streamed.&lt;br&gt;

Feel free to let us know if you have any questions regarding the program.
See you in Sydney next week :)
 
Thanks again and have a good day.
 
Best regards,
Ghozi Septiandri
On behalf of the Program Committee
ESEAP 2022: Reconnect [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 17:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

== Proper TOC formatting in 'Outdoor Girls in Florida' ==

Hi, I fail to see how converting the incorrectly formatted contents pages into correct TOC format, with accurate layout and formatting constitutes 'uglification'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
:It's not &quot;incorrectly formatted&quot;. It's a simple, elegant table. It is not required to reproduce dot-leaders here—particularly where the page number is not the link. The dot-leader templates are problematic in their implementation and I ceased using them in late March 2013. Additionally, dot-leaders have neither a practical nor an ornamental function in an e-presentation of a book. We are not confined to the printed page here and far too much time is spend by some editors in attempting to reproduce the artefacts of the printers' workarounds to make things fit within the boundaries of a piece of paper, or to look good on that same size of paper. Does it look good on a small phone screen ''and'' on a 15″ laptop screen? If so, that's all we need to do. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

== yet another music book ==

This book is stalled at pg.  I have been wanting to ask you to consider doing it, well, since I learned that you are the goto person for this.  It is not the usual song book, it is bird song put to notes:
[[:File:Field book of wild birds and their music (IA fieldbookofwildb00math).pdf]].

Probably you know this, but a word of warning is due.  Birds that vocalize are called &quot;song birds&quot;.  So this is not just a book of beautiful tweets and shrills.  For example, my favorite when I saw it because even without knowing how to read music, I knew it to be true is the Flicker, pg 23/79 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AField_book_of_wild_birds_and_their_music_(IA_fieldbookofwildb00math).pdf&amp;page=79

Also, while flipping around for that, I noticed what is probably a very dorky song about a cuckoo and a cherry tree, but most of it is bird song!

When I found this, it was my first hands-on with half-tone images.  I have recovered from the ''indignation'' and the ''appalled'' and can dig out what I did or redo them (the plates).  Also, I will proof them and not put indentations in it and I might be able to get some help to proof it (which will be better than me, for sure!) -- however much or little you would like me to do, you being the resident artist and me being the fan and the wanna be and wanna have and the music illiterate.  

I really did not want to bother you, I know you have a backlog of your own projects and probably those for others as well, but recent encouragement has come my way that perhaps you are bored and maybe will be open to this new book.  Ever hopefully--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

:I know I have a similar project for NZ bird song coming my way, which I would prefer to work on as a proof of concept before tackling something the size of this work. I'm also trying to clean off some of my long outstanding projects before getting involved in some new ones. Let's see how the NZ one goes before we jump into this one. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

::Let me know when the NZ book is here and ready to go!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 18:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

== Table formatting help ==

I have attempted to reproduce the tables for the vocab on [[Page:Fairytales•Tregear•1891.pdf/10]], but they are obviously short of the mark. When you have a moment, would you please sort them out on that page? Then I will be able to use that formatting at the end of each chapter where the vocab tables appear. [[User:Oronsay|Oronsay]] ([[User talk:Oronsay|talk]]) 01:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oronsay}} I've done what I do with these. What I've done in each column is find the widest word and then put a {{tl|gap}} at the end of it to force the next column to start across a bit more. For the definitions, I've just set as a single column rather than messing around with balancing, which means we don't need to worry about the centre line. Because the font is smaller on the printed page, I've also reduced it to 92%—which is a distinguishable size without getting too small for the general reader. The next standard size down is 83% (or smaller), but I don't think we need to do that in this book. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 01:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. I will be able to work through the pages that I've already done and update with this formatting advice. Takes me back to typing school in the 1970s where we had to count the longest word in each column and then work out the tabs to set. [[User:Oronsay|Oronsay]] ([[User talk:Oronsay|talk]]) 01:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
==[[Adams ex rel. Kasper v. School Board of St. Johns County, Florida]]==
How so are these “multiples”? They are separate works, which I finished at around the same time. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:The point of the New Texts template is to showcase on the Main page the variety of works that we host and are actively working on. When the same title appears four times, in this case, as a block it diminishes that purpose. It also has the effect of pushing works off the Main page even more quickly than already happens. Additionally, two of the works had the same author, which is listed in the instructions as something to never have in the active part template at the same time. The four works looked like a series, so I chose the oldest one to remain active. I would also add that, if I hadn't adjusted the list, one of the others would have. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

== Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

I think I found the full name of E P Dumerque (I believe he was Edward Perry Dumerque) who was a contributor to the Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute. I left a message on the name's Discussion page with some possible linking sources. It's not 100% certain that this is the same person and I wasn't quite sure what I should do with my contention that this is the full name. Can you advise? Thanks very much [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 06:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

== Papers Past contact for Transactions ==

Kia ora, I let Emerson at Papers Past know about the project and he reckons there's opportunity to help each other. If you're interested message me an email address and I'll put you in touch! [[User:Avocadobabygirl|Avocadobabygirl]] ([[User talk:Avocadobabygirl|talk]]) 01:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

== [[Template:New texts]] ==

Hi, Why did you revert me there? This work was never included in new works. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 11:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
:New texts is for texts that are new, ''i.e.'' recently completed. That work was completed in July 2019, which is not new. I was initially alerted by the Handel work, which I knew I had worked on many years ago as part of PotM. Some editors choose not to put their completed works in the new texts area—and that's okay—it's not intended to be a complete catalogue. That's covered by [[:Category:Index Validated]]. If you want the works to be in the new texts list, then they should be interpolated into the appropriate month in the archives. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
::I consider that the omission to include a pity. I don’t see any issue with inserting a work in &quot;New Texts&quot; which was never inserted before, even if it wasn't completed right now. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 12:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

== Re:Welcome ==

Thanks for your Welcome. I am active in [https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Utente:Giaccai it.Wikisource]. Here I'll help this [https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Projet_Lessico_Beni_culturali University Project]. --[[User:Giaccai|Susanna Giaccai]] ([[User talk:Giaccai|talk]]) 18:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

== link to Wikipedia and Wikidata ==

Can you please tell me how to make link to wikidata ad to Wikipedia.  In fr:wikisource &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hwp|Basilique Santa Maria Novella|Santa Maria Novella}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and to Wikidata &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Annotation QID|Q3606185|fresques de la Scala}},&lt;/nowiki&gt; Thanks [[User:Giaccai|Susanna Giaccai]] ([[User talk:Giaccai|talk]]) 15:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

== Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

Hello, you have modified [[Page:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 40.djvu/584|pages 584]] and [[Page:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 40.djvu/585|585]]. Without section [[Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute/Volume 40/Meeting 4, Paper 1|this page]] has no more content. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 14:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
:Sorted by deleting for the time being. Incorrectly named as there were multiple meetings of the various societies that make up the Institute. Once the Wellington Philosophical Society subpage of Volume 40 is created after proofreading all the pages of it, then it (and the next article) will have their place. Also, it is incorrect to apply a license template to subpages where it is not different to the parent page. CC-by doesn't apply to pre-1927 works. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, that's consistent. A new article will be created when more pages are proofread. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 10:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

== NZ Authors. .. ==

Was this of interest: -
https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies  It's a Biographical directory for prominent people from New Zealand?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks, but I've been using it for several years to work out who some of the Authors in the ''Transactions'' are. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

== [[Author:Ramy Allison Whyte]] or White ? ==

You created the author page with the y spelling but the portal had the i spelling. On Goodreads, I see a couple of covers with the i spelling. Do you know if the y spelling was actually used ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:31, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, on looking back at my source it looks like a typo on my part. Thanks for picking it up. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 23:10, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::Cheers. So should the y version just be deleted ? Or should it be left as a soft redirect ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 08:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
:::It's on the borderline in terms of time, so a soft direct for a couple of months is best. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

== [[Author:Alexander Wojeikof]] ==

I've identified this person in wikidata {{wikidata link|Q1378553}} but he already has a different english author page [[Author:Aleksandr Ivanovich Woeikoff]] as well as this one. Author:Alexander Wojeikof I'm not sure what to do now to link the two author pages to the Wikidata entry. I've updated the wikidata entry to add information to the &quot;also known as&quot; values. Can you let me know how to progress? Do the two author pages need merging? [[User:Einebillion|Einebillion]] ([[User talk:Einebillion|talk]]) 04:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, they need merging with a redirect, but I'm not sure in which direction, or if indeed a new page that combines the two. {{ping|Billinghurst}} can you assist with (or advise on) this? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
::There is a merge gadget at WD that you can set up to use.  Typically that will merge to the oldest item, and that is suitable. I'll get it done. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
:::oh, just locally. I have merged to the longer name, though Russian names have such variability when Anglicised and interpreted. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

== How do I add missing pages in Wikisource? ==
If I found a missing page in the following example:
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:A_curious_herbal_volume_1_blackwell.djvu/63&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1

If I have the replacement page, how do I upload it since the file is in the djvu or pdf format? It will be troublesome to modify the file and upload it again. Wikisource seems do not provide a guide for this. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 12:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

:Drop a message at the [[WS:LAB|Scan Lab]] and the team there will be able to assist you with this. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
: Noted, thanks ! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 11:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

== LibriVox ==

How did you determine that [[Special:Diff/13423573|this]] is the same edition as our text? The [https://librivox.org/the-case-book-of-sherlock-holmes-by-sir-arthur-conan-doyle-2/ LibriVox] page doesn't seem to give any edition information at all (well, or I am blind, which is probably equally likely). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

:On the LV page on the left there is a link to the &quot;Online text&quot; used. The PG page at that link indicates that it was the John Murray 1927 edition that was the basis of the American reprint that was read from. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
::Ah. Elementary, apparently. :){{pbr}}But are you sure that's the text they used for this particular reading? I've seen LibriVox link to a random Gutenberg text in that link on enough occasions that I am very sceptical of it absent other evidence. I don't follow LibriVox enough to be categorical either way, of course, but… [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I'm sure because I was one of the readers and that's the text I used. I'm only linking to LibriVox recordings that I've done or been involved with. My solos are all based on our own texts as derived from IA or HathiTrust, but I don't have control over the editions chosen by others for group work. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
::::Oh, excellent. Good to know. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The gardener's and botanist's dictionary - 1807 edition ==

I found some online scans of the four volumes - they were under Philip Miller's name, but were shown as edited by Thomas Martyn on the title page. Hope that this is what you were looking for!

* HaithiTrust: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100790561
* BHL: [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/search?searchTerm=Miller%2C%20Philip&amp;tinc=&amp;searchCat=&amp;stype=C&amp;lname=&amp;ninc=&amp;vol=&amp;yr=&amp;subj=&amp;sinc=&amp;lang=&amp;col=&amp;nt=&amp;ntinc=&amp;txt=&amp;txinc=&amp;ppage=1&amp;apage=1&amp;kpage=1&amp;npage=1&amp;facet=FacetItemAuthors_Miller,%20Philip,&amp;facet=DateRanges_1801-1825#/titles Search results - four volumes] - the scans are held on the &quot;Biblioteca del Real Jardín Botánico de Madrid&quot; digital library, I found you could download the individual volumes, but they were large and took a while to download (for example, Vol I Part I was 312 MB and took about 10-15 minutes to download - they may be better quality scans)
* Internet Archive: only [https://archive.org/details/the-gardeners-and-botanists-dictionary-vol.-ii-part-ii-philip-miller-1807_202011/ Vol II, Part II]

A nice description from the [https://www.rct.uk/collection/1070889/the-gardeners-and-botanists-dictionary-containing-the-best-and-newest-methods-of UK Royal Collection Trust] [[User:David Nind|David Nind]] ([[User talk:David Nind|talk]]) 09:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

:Wonderful, thank you. I'll see what we can do with the Madrid scans. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

== Preserving extra spacing between paragraphs ==

Hi @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]], thanks for keying me into WS:STYLE and use of &lt;nowiki&gt;''italics''&lt;/nowiki&gt; instead of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{emtext}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; (I'm a new editor, but saw the latter used in another Wikisource work so I mistook it as a convention). 

I noticed in [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/189&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=13462921 this edit] of The Urantia Book you removed some double blank lines. In this text, variable sizes between paragraphs have meaning (I'm very familiar with this text). Would it not best to preserve that intent, since [[WS:STYLE#Formatting]] mentions it as allowable? Should we use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{DoubleHeightRow}}?&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 19:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

:Ah. I didn't notice the distinction between the two paragraph settings on that page and just assumed. Sorry about that. Yes, the double blank lines is correct. I don't like the {{tl|DoubleHeightRow}} template for various reasons and so would prefer just the double return. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
::Good deal, thanks! Will look at your recent contribs for examples of best practices. Cheers [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 23:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

== DNB entry for Charlotte Brontë (in volume 6) ==

Hi, I've come across a problem with volume 6 of DNB (fully validated and transcluded) and didn't want to undo anything unnecessarily (e.g. changing status of pages to 'problematic' and removing 'fully validated' status) before consulting someone. In the scan, pages 411 and 412 are out of order, consequently the transcluded article is assembled incorrectly. I could fix this in the transclusion, but fixing the scan would be the better option.

Apologies if you're not the right person to ask for an opinion; I couldn't find a central contact point for the DNB project and I've come across you in recent DNB edits. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

== Score for Yeats ==

I've nearly finished [[Index:Sophocles' King Oedipus.pdf]].  This is a key English translation and publication by Irish dramatist W. B. Yeats.  This is ''the'' translation that was made into an art film with a young William Shatner in the chorus, which in turn was ''the'' film that inspired Tom Lehrer's song &quot;Oedipus Rex&quot;.  But I will need assistance stitching together the musical portions (pp. 55 to 61). If you can assist with this, so that the pages are Proofread, it would be much appreciated.

'''Things to note:'''
# There are five Choruses, each of which spans more than one page.  I do not know whether our score tags can handle page-spanning pieces, and would not be surprised if we had to &quot;move&quot; musical portions to condense each Chorus to a single page.  I haven't had to do this before.  On the plus side, there is a single melody line and (mostly) single vocal text line for each Chorus.  But this isn't a situation I've dealt with before, so I don't know how we would accomplish this best.
# I have never before had to deal with a key signature or time signature change mid-piece, so rather than try to kludge them together, I transcribed each separately.  I put each melody line and each vocal line on separate lines to match the line breaks in the original for ease of proofreading / troubleshooting.
# The &quot;Second Chorus&quot; (pp.67 to 68) is the only piece with '''simultaneous''' vocal text, though only a few words in total.  I could not find an example of how to do this that made sense, since the rhythm also differs between the two &quot;words&quot; that are simultaneous, so the few second line words have been placed into the footer.  I need help inserting the parallel words into those three situations.
# The prefatory material suggests a particular range/timbre for each voice, so if it can be done without much grief, I'd like to be able to set a different sound for each of the different sections (Leader, 2nd Voice, 3rd Voice, All).  These changes happen mid-piece, sometimes more than once, and I do not know if this can even be done.  But indicating the change of &quot;voice&quot; to the listener by invoking a different instrumental sound would be useful to do.  If this can be done, I would also need information about what options exist.  if it cannot be done, that's fine. '''But:''' even if it can be done, I'd like to know what timbre/instrument options exist '''before''' you go to the trouble.  There may not be meaningful or sonorous options, in which case, it would not be worth the trouble.

I have finished all but the last two pages of score, but expect to have that done either today or tomorrow.  The first three Choruses are fully transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:I'm away from my usual haunts at present, so will need to delay looking at this properly for another few days, but on a quick glance, it looks easily solvable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

::Gentle nudge as reminder, since it looks as though you are back.  These scores are the only parts holding up the completion of this work, newly in the public domain. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:46, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Scores sorted. Pagination has to be played with to make transclusion practicable. I've done the simultaneous text as a second lyric line. I've never needed to change the sound part way through a piece. The only way I can think of doing it in Lilypond is to use voices on the same staff, which then has flow on effects making lyrics awkward to deal with. The available sounds are the standard general MIDI ones as listed [http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/midi-instruments here]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 04:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks.  I've completed the work, but could not figure out the syntax for specifying a sound from the MIDI listings.  I looked at other examples of scores on Wikisource that do this, but they are all multi-voice and so the syntax could not simply be copied. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

:Use \set Staff.midiInstrument = &quot;cello&quot; (for example) in the initial set of commands where the clef, time-signature, &amp;c. are set. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 23:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

:: FYI, I created {{tl|elsewhere score}} for a more visible notice in the Page namespace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==Is there any Wikisource Typeface that can match this font?==
Just wondering if there is any typeface that can match &quot;His Highness the Rajah of Sarawak&quot; on this page [[Page:A SEA Dyak Dictionary in alphabetical parts, with examples and quotations shewing the use and meaning of words.pdf/3]]. Regards. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 10:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:I use the blackletter template {{tl|bl}} for this. I've had a go at the page for you to have a look at the way I approach Title pages. I couldn't get the {{tl|justify}} template to behave for me, so haven't replicated that. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== did n't, could n't ==

I 've been looking into some past discussions and precedents on this discrepancy, and I could only find [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2020-07#Styling_of_contractions|one discussion from 2020]] about how to deal with this spacing convention. It seems like most people do n't like replicating this with a physical space character, and say that we probably should n't leave them like this because they did n't have semantic meaning.

Despite the clear views of [[User:Xover|Xover]] and Inductiveload against using a space, there doesn't seem to be any official policy or even guideline around this. And that discussion was no attempt at making such a policy. Maybe there should be one, though. I'm no expert in typesetting, but I don't like the spaces. I'd rather stay on the side of consistency and not respect that spacing convention, which is why I didn't. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
: Also was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Pratt_portraits_-_sketched_in_a_New_England_suburb_(IA_prattportraitssk00full).pdf/31&amp;curid=4306280&amp;diff=13796005&amp;oldid=13471132 this really not a typo]? It looks glaringly like a mistake every time I see this in a text. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Their use can vary by work.  In many prose works, collapsing the space has no effect on the text, and is fine.  But in some works with dialogue, the space is intentional and required.  I can think of two such categories where it should be preserved: (1) The spacing is used to present a dialectical form of English.  Such situations can be spotted where some character's dialogue includes the spaces, but other character's dialogue does not, or where lots of additional contractions appear, and it is clear that the additional apostrophes and additional spacing is intentional. (2) Poetical works where replacing text like '''{{'}}t was''' with '''{{'}}twas''' would change the rhythm of the lines.  The former is a two-syllable, two-word foot with stress on the second word; but the latter is a single stressed syllable.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tqi|&quot;… ’t was …&quot;}} and {{tqi|&quot;… ’twas …&quot;}} is probably mostly going to be deliberate, I think, and in something supposed to be speech-y (i.e. a character's speech, in play or prose, or in poetry) needs to be preserved. But {{tqi|&quot;… did n’t …&quot;}} and {{tqi|&quot;… could n’t …&quot;}} and similar are mostly going to be an artefact of printing that can be silently corrected. But the bottom line is that it's going to require judgement in each case, and possibly also discussions with other contributors if you're lucky enough that someone else is interested enough in the text to want to help out. I don't think this can have a bright-line policy beyond {{tqi|&quot;… must be assessed case by case …&quot;}}, nor even rules of thumb for specific variants. Maybe a discussion in the style guide somewhere to help people with the assessment could work though. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
::No, that doesn't look like a typo; and in any case, {{tl|SIC}} should generally not be used for missing punctuation like this. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

===Hyphenation inconsistency===
[[Page:Pratt portraits - sketched in a New England suburb (IA prattportraitssk00full).pdf/30|30]] has an inconsistent hyphenation with [[Page:Pratt portraits - sketched in a New England suburb (IA prattportraitssk00full).pdf/240|240]] for the word &quot;gunshot&quot;. People processing a full text in bulk may notice this as an error, which is why Gutenberg silently corrects these, so that's why I've been marking these as inconsistent on ''all'' texts I've done, no matter how far apart the inconsistencies were from one another. It's one of the ways I have been trying to catch up with Gutenberg's technology in my own work. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:&lt;p&gt;We don't &quot;silently correct&quot; text by policy. And some of PG's policies are just weird. This particular book is a collection of short stories that Fuller published in various places over several years—along with some stories published for the first time. I expect some variation in orthography as a result. Arcane templates are usually removed by me on sight. This particular one has two negatives for me: a) annotation of the text; b) a tool tip. If I find an egregious typo, I mark it with {{tl|sic}} and almost never use {{tl|SIC}}. I leave a few of the latter in when others have used them, but it has to be a major problem.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With respect to the spacing, the period of publication was when n't contractions were moving out of dialect and into common speech. Publishers were attempting to appease purists and modernists at the same time. In this particular text I see it as representing the speech pattern of Old Lady Pratt, whereas the grandchildren are more likely to elide the two in their speech pattern.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;By the way, the reason I'm even looking at this book is that I've just initiated a project over on LibriVox to record a spoken word version. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/p&gt;
:: Well, hey, by the way, I don't mean to come off as negative with you—thank you for taking the time to validate this, and to provide a free audiobook no less! That's a huge effort, and I hope it goes well for you. Feel free to link the audiobook files when you're done. I'll also fix the transclusion soon, to reflect it being a short story collection (due to my previous error to do this).
:: I did a few other works by [[Author:Anna Fuller|Anna Fuller]] by the way, but I stopped with her when I discovered that one of them repeated vignettes from other works, and within themselves. The coding logic of it therefore got complicated for me. I believe the work in question was ''One of the Pilgrims''.
:: Let's agree to disagree on {{tl|hinc}} for now. I thought it necessary to mark it, in fact I thought of it as an added spice of technical artistry, something most editors wouldn't do, but that I have the means to. Every time there are hyphenation inconsistencies in a work I do, I get a list of them that the processing program I use automatically finds, and that I check up on manually. One reason I do this is because it's also the source of a common Wikisource proofreading typo as well, where a word is supposed to be hyphenated, but the OCR doesn't fix this because &quot;–&quot; is at the end of a line so not treated like a real hyphen. So, another reason I mark the real ones with {{tl|hinc}} is to remind me (and potentially other editors) that the inconsistency is legitimate, and that it's not due to an incorrect insertion or deletion of a hyphen by OCR proofreading.
:: Another rationale is that in print, it was nearly impossible for typists and editors to catch all these variations, in any book. After all, there was no Find and Replace. But, since we have digital processing tools, it's not only possible but can be easy for us today. So I would almost consider the inconsistencies under the purview of &quot;technical limitations of print&quot;, and not legitimate use of a variation, but it's impossible to prove its legitimacy, so I just wanted to mark it as &quot;inconsistent&quot; rather than as a typo. I always think to myself, &quot;gee, they must have fired their intern and went with somebody else,&quot; every time for example the word &quot;Phœbe&quot; is changed to &quot;Phoebe&quot; after Chapter 6 in a novel (and that I would ''unambiguously'' consider a typo).
:: I thought marking it would be nice, but I didn't expect people would find it intrusive. One UX compromise might be for a tooltip not to be displayed in certain instances, such as when the inconsistencies appear hundreds of pages apart, but accept the tooltip version if they appear in the same chapter or section or especially page. The idea is that it could be marked just so people, or programs, know it's there. Although in this instance, it's fair to say that, since Fuller's work is a short story collection with subworks taken from various sources, this might be a grey area.
:: Anyway, thanks for considering what I had to say about it, and good luck. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;p&gt;I don't see your responses as negative, rather you're doing what I do when I see that someone is validating my texts. &quot;Is there anything that they're finding that I can take on board to improve my proofreading?&quot; Or, for you, the algorithms. (And I agree that I would probably keep Phœbe consistent.) One of my ongoing contributions here is the Stratemeyer Syndicate books. Their methods of writing, editing, and publishing were &quot;conveyor belt&quot;, which resulted in some pretty bad production values on some of the books—even the more popular ones. But, then, their general target audience of 8 to 14 y.o. wasn't particularly discriminating. As a result I end up having to make these sorts of calls regularly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because of this experience I also think about who the likely reader is for our texts. If it's a technical work like [[Manual of the New Zealand Flora]], then I'm focused much more on authorial intent and would be more inclined to allow for editing inconsistencies. But if it's a bit of &quot;read once&quot; light fiction, it's not worth worrying too much about.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;w.r.t. the tooltips, my e-reader underlines the text at that point but doesn't indicate why, so for me emphasis is added and I have to decide what it means. This interrupts my reading flow, which is either frustrating or just annoying depending on my mood. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/p&gt;
:::: Ah, interesting! I have yet to see some particularly egregious typographical laziness in early 20th century work—I thought that was exclusive to the latter half of the century and beyond. Lol. Well, anyway, I'll try and think of a less intrusive solution to this, and I'll let you know if I have any ideas. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 01:03, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|SnowyCinema}} I've found typographical laziness in early works by female authors.  For example, the first edition of ''Ethan Frome'' was well-edited up to about the halfway point, and after that it's full of editorial laziness. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: Did you know that we know who the compositors were for the 1623 First Folio of Shakespeare? We know because the people involved had idiosyncrasies like those discussed here, so we can identify where those occur and assign the plays to a compositor (often down to the individual page). In fact, there are multiple people who have made their careers and academic reputation on just such studies, and there are entire massive monographs published on the topic. That they fired their intern after chapter 6 is actually significant information.{{pbr}}That being said, I agree with Beeswaxcandle: how seriously (strictly) to take this depends somewhat on the text. For one-penny pulps the leeway for laziness (pick a style, stick to it) is much greater (counter-example: Lovecraft), getting increasingly strict on a scale that terminates at scholarly monographs and transcriptions of the actual First Folio. But when we're at the First Folio, the Folger maintains a catalogue of surviving copies with enough detail to distinguish individual copies (in one case they identified the multiple sources for a Frankenstein copy) based on both physical characteristics (stains etc.) and quirks of the changing compositors.{{pbr}}PS. {{tl|SIC}} has always been slightly controversial as an annotation, and several editors insist on using {{tl|sic}} instead for all typos. I personally think we should consolidate the two and explicitly allow {{tl|SIC}} as a ''permissible'' annotation, but, in any case, any new template mimicking {{tl|SIC}} (vs. {{tl|sic}}) has the policy presumption against it. I am not at all sure I would support visually tagging inconsistent hyphenation (or any other mere inconsistency) as a sufficient reason for such annotation. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Xover}} Gee, we really consider that ''annotation''? I never thought a tooltip would count as an annotation, since it can't be seen unless you hover over it, and doesn't get included in the copy-paste text. But the fact that you can't see it on mobile devices when you hover over it &lt;s&gt;makes me hate smartphones even more&lt;/s&gt; is unfortunate and I agree that that's really annoying...
:::: My personal philosophy on SIC is to use it when they have a typo that's either 1. unambiguously recognizable as a typo (even in the context of their own time period, eliminating the form simply from being obsolete or archaic), or 2. if it's a typo, ''and'' inconsistent with other parts of the text using the same word. Which is where hyphenation inconsistencies come in. Since, I think inconsistencies are more recognizable to me as erroneous, especially if it occurs on the same chapter or page. I admit it might seem a lot more like fussing over nooks and crannies if we're talking about the inconsistencies being hundreds of pages and ten chapters apart from one another (but I still think they should be ''somehow'' noted in any case, at least for editors who might try to change them). But if they're on the same page or in the same chapter, this is something that people would immediately notice if they had any kind of eye for detail while reading, so I think at least this should be noted. If you have 5 &quot;gunshots&quot; and 1 &quot;gun-shot&quot; on a single page (which I've actually seen happen before), then the 1 &quot;gun-shot&quot; was clearly wrong anyway.
:::: I think our technology to mark typos is a beautiful thing personally, and perhaps to your surprise, I'd even go far as to say it's one of my favorite parts of the project. (I'm the type of person who loves intricate detail, that's probably why.) Because it's just one more thing that sets us apart from other projects like Gutenberg, and it gives readers one more bit of contextual understanding. So I would be against removing our technology for marking inconsistencies and typos, since without them it'd be harder to actually get this understanding. And it (to me) seems very unintrusive, because instead of removing the typo outright, we opt to remain true to the original text while leaving in a note that doesn't actually alter the text in any way (which is why I am skeptical to the degree of &quot;annotation&quot; that it is). And since what can and can't be considered a typo is I'm sure the subject of many a heated debate even among scholars, it's easier to remove the typo ''marking template'', which just notes a typo, than to remove a typo ''correction'', which is harder for a proofreader to spot in the first place.
:::: Maybe a solution for the &quot;mobile devices&quot; problem is to disable the tooltip specifically in exports and on mobile views, since they don't really work right in those cases. And all you see is a bit of underlining. That should be possible to do with CSS/Lua...I think. (Or maybe we can just complain to Apple, Amazon, and Google. I'm sure ''they'd'' listen to us.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 11:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{comment}} The other idea I had for noting these &quot;inconsistencies&quot; and typoes is with a template that's placed on the page but not necessarily visible outside the wikitext editor. But, we can make a module for the Header template and/or Index that includes a collapsible &quot;Errata&quot; template that lists all the typos (hey, and it's also kind of an homage to the old texts we love so much, since they also used to do this). It's apparently harder and more resource-intensive to get Lua to actually go and read wiki pages than it is to collect data from Wikidata, but still ''technically'' possible. So it's not the solution I'd prefer over just tooltipping them, although it'd be pretty cool if it could actually be done. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== I made a new index ==

Thank you again for the welcome. I was encouraged by it, and I made a new index for [[Index:The Giant Horse of Oz (1928).pdf|The Giant Horse of Oz]]. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== Tristan und Isolde ==

I am strongly considering [https://archive.org/details/tristanisoldeope00wagn Tristan und Isolde] as a project in the next couple of months, but this is one work where the music (no it's not the full score) would add tremendously to the value of the work if it were also done, both because of the &quot;Tristan chord&quot; and the turning point this opera was to the history of Western Music.  Are the music pages at the end of this particular edition be something you'd be willing to tackle, if I did set this up?  It's definitely beyond my limited skill. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, they look to be something I can do in terms of type-setting. There's nothing too complex in it as it's a straightforward piano score. I think the only thing I've not done before is the ''Ossia'' at the bottom of the second page. The sound version would requires a different treatment because of the repeated ''stringendo'' instructions. From the ''Adagio'' part way through the first page through to the end, there is a gradual step-wise acceleration. This means that the sound file will need to be generated off-site, uploaded to Commons as a separate file and then linked—rather than using the automatic play file associated with the score. Let me know when you've uploaded the Index: and I'll slot it into my WS schedule. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:: I can set up the Index today or tomorrow.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

* [[Index:Tristan und Isolde (Met Opera).djvu]], with the music on pages 37 to 40. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

== Contributors to Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

Work has been completed by myslef and another editor (Wainuiomartian) on finding the full first name of authors the Contributors to Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute The vast majority have been completed but we would like help with two questions:

'''[[Author:H. M. Christie|H. M. Christie is]] Henry Maynard Christie.''' However the article is actually authored by his wife Cordelia Christie as evidenced in the printed version (See Author  Discussion). Our question is how to record the author correctly

'''H P Macklin''' This is Hubert Patrick Macklin and has been expanded. But this was an alias of his real name, Patrick McGlynn - is there a way (or a need?) to add the alias?

Thanks for your help!

&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 22:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

:I noticed you both doing these and I very much appreciate the work you've put into it.
:I've moved H. M. Christie to [[Author:Cordelia Christie]] and left the redirect active. The WD item should be linked to the new place.
:Macklin is not as straightforward. Did he author anything under McGlynn? If he did, then that needs to be the page with redirects from the alias. However, if he only wrote under Macklin, then the page can stay there with a note (in the header field) stating his real name and create a redirect from that name. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

== binder's mark ==

It is not clear to me that the &quot;binder's mark—these are not relevant to a digital version&quot; is a sufficient or agreed upon reason for this number to be removed. There are other pages e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_story_of_the_flute_(IA_storyofflute1914fitz).djvu/105 which indeed include the number. As far as I can tell, faithful recreations of the texts are more important than the consideration of whether it is a &quot;digital version&quot; and nowhere I can see has this declaration been made clear anywhere in this specific text. [[User:Shootmanng|Shootmanng]] ([[User talk:Shootmanng|talk]]) 17:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:Nothing placed in the footer in the Page: namespace is taken through into the transclusion in the Mainspace, which is where the digital version of the text sits. A binder's mark is not a part of the text, rather it is an artefact of the publishing on paper process. Thus as a house style it was decided many years ago that we wouldn't reproduce binder's marks and I remove them on sight. The fact that they are turning up in various works here is indicative that we haven't written the Help pages usefully. I'll get onto that now. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::Understood, thanks for taking the time to reply. [[User:Shootmanng|Shootmanng]] ([[User talk:Shootmanng|talk]]) 18:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::: There are a very few (extremely rare) circumstances where I have transcribed binding marks with informational value.  True, they do not get transcluded into Mainspace, but in one series I've worked on, the binder's mark on page 1 was the ''only'' place in the books that the individual volume number in the series appeared.  In that situation, it carries significant information we otherwise would not have, and a pointer to the Page namespace can be used to verify the volume number. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Sure, but as it's extremely rare, I think it's best dealt with as an exception to the convention. I've put a section into [[Help:Formatting conventions]] (rather than the Style Guide). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::::: Indeed, it's rare enough that I don't object at all to what you've done.  But as you indicated you &quot;remove them on sight&quot;, I wanted to be sure you were aware of the rare instances where they are meaningful. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

== Just to be clear ==

Are the tables on [[Wikisource:Administrators/Archives]] keyed to the next expiration of confirmation dates? I am guessing that's why they go into 2025. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, 1 year into the future. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
:: That makes sense, thanks. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

== Adventures of Kimble Bent.djvu ==

There are a number of pages appearing in the orphaned pages list, including [[Page:Adventures of Kimble Bent.djvu/1]]. I haven't got to grips with how the indexes work, so I don't know what needs doing. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

:I'm not sure why these pages have flagged when they are patently linked to the related Index. It's not as if I normally transclude such pages to the mainspace. I suggest waiting to see what happens in the next refresh. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
::Odd - when I last looked, that page I linked was showing as not linked from anything. Some quirk of the system, I suppose. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

== 2013 update ==

Hello! In 2013 you put a header on a short story. I went ahead and added the pdf of said short story. I linked it in the [[Talk:Weird Tales/Volume 12/Issue 3/The Ninth Skeleton|discussion page]] for the file, but it is also at [[:File:The Ninth Skeleton (1928).pdf]] if needed. Would you be able to help teach me how to best notate on the page? I'm unsure of how to and would like to learn. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 23:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

== Question from a new editor ==

Hey Beeswaxcandle! So I noticed you added a standardized template to [[NWS Wichita Area Forecast Discussion on April 24, 2024]]. If I may ask, could you let me know what an issue with it is? I’m fairly new to Wikisource, so knowing what is wrong on that article can help me not repeat the mistake going forward. Cheers! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 05:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

:Every line seems to begin with a space, which is what's forcing that blue box around the text and making the text monospaced. Take those out. Then get rid of the end of line breaks within paragraphs. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
::Done! Could you recheck the text to see if it was done correctly? Just to note, the original text came in that weird spaced format, where a paragraph took up 13-ish lines instead of 4 like it does now. If I got the spacing issue solved, going forward, I will go ahead and break-up the original U.S. government format to make it Wikisource format instead. But if there is something else wrong, please let me know! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 14:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

== Starting Christchurch Wikisource project ==

As part of work with Christchurch Libraries, I've created a list of some relevant works for Wikisource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/AoWPAL_2024/Library
This will eventually be mreged with the West Coast project but should stay under Wikipedian at Large for now. I'm a bit rusty, and have just uploaded the first book but immediately got an Invalid Interval error on the Index page. Could you possibly take a look and see what obvious mistake I might have made? https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Reminiscences_of_Earliest_Canterbury_1915.pdf [[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 08:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is happening a bit lately. There appears to be some flakiness in the links between Commons and us when first setting up some files. Others are reporting that it seems to settle after a few hours. I've tried my usual double hard purging of the caches, but still showing for the moment. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

::Ah thank you. I'll not worry then and check back the next day before I point people to new uploads. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 22:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

== Book title ==

Hi, and thanks again for your kind welcome!  I'm having a little trouble finding what I'm looking for in the help pages.  I found the book I wanted to transcribe for Wikisource already existed on Wikimedia Commons, and used that.  The proofreading and formatting is nearly done (just some validation left), but over the last couple of weeks, as I've become better acquainted with Wikisource, I've become increasingly convinced that the title of the file, and consequently the index page and all of the individual pages, are less than ideal.  The book is called ''Base-Ball Ballads'', and there don't seem to be any other works by this title, or any files on Commons besides the book, and the illustrations from it that I recently uploaded.  So ideally, that would be the title on Wikisource—I think.  But instead, the title is &quot;Base-ball ballads (IA baseballballads00rice)&quot;.

So my questions are: can I change the title to just &quot;Base-Ball Ballads&quot; (with proper capitalization, and without &quot;(IA baseballballads00rice)&quot;)?  If so, should I move the file on Commons, then come to Wikisource and move the index page, and all of the individual pages separately?  Or is there a shortcut for doing this?  What will I break if I attempt to do this?  I assume that in future, it would be better to move the source text before adding it to Wikisource—but being new to Wikisource, I wasn't sure I should do that, or what typical naming conventions here were.  I just wanted to get started on something, since the process was so different than editing articles on Wikipedia, and I thought I would absorb the material better by learning as I went.  I didn't even realize that the text was already available until I was trying to figure out how to import it from Internet Archive.  I apologize if this is all too complicated to expect an answer for, but thanks in advance for any advice you can give me!  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 20:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry for delay in replying—RL is getting in the way a lot at present. The title in the Mainspace here should be &quot;Base-ball Ballads&quot;. The Index and the pages are the back-end and the title there is not important. We've got Indexes with much more arcane names, but they come through to the Mainspace with sensible titles. The links from the Mainspace to the Index: and Page: namespaces will behave once the transclusion is done. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, okay!  Then I just need to wait for the rest of the pages to be validated before moving to mainspace.  Well, there might be another issue, but I think I know how to deal with it—I just need someone to tell me if I understand the situation correctly, and I don't want to keep posting on the Scriptorium ATM, as I feel like I'm becoming a bit of a nuisance not understanding how to do things right!
::As I was transcribing the book, I saw a lot of archaic slang—words no longer in widespread use, or used with meanings that readers probably wouldn't expect, as well as lots of allusions to 19th and early 20th century ballplayers who (unlike Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, or Christy Mathewson, also mentioned numerous times) are no longer familiar even to many fans of baseball history.  I looked for guidance on annotating these things, and after some searching found the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{user annotation}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template and documentation, and using that provided annotations in the footer, all marked as user annotations.  However, when I asked about illustrations (for another project) at the Scriptorium, I was linked to a policy page that appears to say that no annotations should be added to a work until an unannotated version has been published, and then only as a separate annotated version.
::Confusing matters more, one guideline appears to say that annotations in the ''header'' don't count—I assume that this means &quot;header or footer&quot;, as I can't recall ever seeing annotations in a header, while elsewhere in the help topics &quot;header&quot; is used to mean &quot;header and footer&quot;—while another page seems to say that annotations are acceptable on Wikisource, without mentioning separate editions, and somewhere I found guidance saying that terms could be linked, e.g. to Wiktionary (although in this case, the slang terms often lack the correct definitions there).  I had been linking the names of the ballplayers to their articles in Wikipedia, with brief descriptions of them or why they were mentioned in the poems, in the footer annotations.
::Just when I was about to start deleting the annotations I'd spent a lot of time on—actually as much time as typing the original text of the poems—on the theory that I could retrieve them from the page history for a separate annotated edition later, I realized that the guidance about annotations on different policy pages and help topics was contradictory and confusing, and it would be better to make sure I needed to delete them before doing so.  Can you offer any advice concerning the different guidelines—if indeed they are contradictory—and what I should do with the annotations that I made?  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 13:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
:::There's no need to wait for complete validation before transcluding sections/chapters or a work. Most of my work here is yet to be validated.{{pbr}}With respect to the annotations, you can do them—provided there is an unannotated copy in the Mainspace and that the annotated version is clearly marked as such. The guideline on annotations in the header is about the notes field in the header template that is on every Mainspace page.{{pbr}}For the links to to Wikipedia, these are acceptable provided that they are not interpretative. If the people mentioned have authored anything, then the link should be to their Author: page rather than to Wikipedia—even if we don't host what they've written. The best template to use is {{tl|wdl}}, that way the link degrades gracefully through the possibilities. For Wiktionary, the policy is &quot;occasional links&quot; … &quot;for obscure words&quot;.{{pbr}}What to do with your extensive footnotes? Unfortunately, they'll need to come out for the Mainspace transclusion. However, I would create a user subpage and save them there. That way they're easily retrieved for an annotated version. Alternatively, add the information to their Wikipedia pages that you're linking to. Hope all this helps. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, when you say &quot;save them to a user subpage&quot;, do you mean ''in situ'', as a duplicate of the proofread pages or the whole index (that would seem like the easiest way, though I'm not sure how to do that—creating subpages is easy enough, but I don't know ''whether'' it's possible to duplicate the whole index/set of pages) or do you mean cutting and pasting just the annotations, one-by-one, which would be a much more laborious process?  Certainly doable, but even so, then I will have to research how to create a second index page for the annotated version—and that brings me back to the first question, because if that can be done, then it should be possible to duplicate the index as it currently stands (even if moved to a user subpage), then scrub the annotations from the first version to transclude into mainspace.  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 17:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure how the annotated versions of other works were done, so I'll turn to {{ping|Xover}} to see if they can help. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::I decided to bite the bullet, and made a sandbox to store the annotations, then moved them from the text to my sandbox.  Restoring them one-by-one to make an annotated text will be annoying, but probably not that hard, and shouldn't take more than a day or two.  Once I know what I'm doing, that is!  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 13:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::Annotated versions are technically permitted but I strongly recommend against creating one. The fundamental reason is that we do not have tools that support annotated texts within our policy framework (given the restrictions we should have flat out prohibited them instead IMO), which means almost any attempt at one will be problematic in some way. As best I can tell we haven't created any new annotated texts in almost a decade for this reason (some non-policy-compliant texts have popped up but that's through lack of enforcement).{{pbr}}For anyone wanting to pursue annotations it will involve various forms of selective transclusion: tagging things in the Page: namespace such that it can be selectively transcluded into the annotated text's mainspace page without being visible in the main transcluded text. I think there are a couple of different templates for this sitting around, but all examples of their use were pretty terrible so I don't want to recommend them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Fostered content. ==

Thanks for the reverts, but you seem to have hit a 'glitch', possibly in the linter, in that the pages you reverted are showing up as having fostered content, which was why the headers been moved into the main body.  If you have a more stable way of solving the reported 'fostered content' please explain it to me, so I don't have to waste my time, fixing tiems that according to your reasoning were 'pointless' or not broken. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

:I haven't a clue what you mean by &quot;fostered content&quot; or for that matter &quot;linter&quot;. The pages in question were transcluding correctly and efficiently into the Mainspace before your edits and therefore fiddling with them is pointless. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::The &quot;linter&quot; is a technical check built into MediaWiki that checks for various issues that ''may'' cause problems and which merits closer scrutiny by a human being. The checks are highly technical, and have been roundly criticised as being of rather poor utility. You can see the functionality in action on [[Special:LintErrors]]. Nothing flagged by the linter should be assumed to be something that must be &quot;fixed&quot;, and certainly not urgently. It should, however, be checked by a human at some point and a decision made on whether or not it is something that needs some form of change (typically based on its potential to cause problems in the future). ShakespeareFan keeps running into trouble here because they have a tendency to treat the issues reported by the linter as 1) urgent, and 2) a backlog that should be reduced to 0. Neither of which is true, and so they tend to get rather harshly frustrated pushback from other contributors (not all of it deserved).{{pbr}}&quot;Fostered content&quot; is a concept from the HTML standards, applicable mostly to tables. The most common example is when a table cell is placed ''outside'' a table row. Table cells are ''required'' to be within a table row, so such cells are considered &quot;orphan&quot; elements. So to deal with these the standard specifies a &quot;fostering algorithm&quot; (i.e. make certain assumptions about where the cell was ''intended'' to be), and thus such content is considered &quot;fostered content&quot;. Elements that are fostered can be a problem even if it currently ''looks'' ok, so instances of it should be checked. The problem is that the way we do multi-page transclusions we often have a table cell and other content that spans several wikipages. That is, in the Page: namespace we have HTML ''fragments'' not complete HTML ''pages'', that do not get turned into complete HTML pages until the content is transcluded. This alone causes a lot of false positives. In addition, our use of the header and footer field (and other noinclude-shenanigans), makes this difficult for tools like the linter because only Proofread Page really knows about these tricks. In some scenarios this causes yet more false positives. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Retiring the 2006 toolbar ==

Following up on [[Special:PermanentLink/14461010#Legacy_toolbar|User talk:Ineuw#Legacy toolbar]]…

As mentioned, my goal is to be able to retire that Gadget to reduce the amount of code we need to deal with, and that has to be loaded on every page load, etc.

Could you go into more detail about the &quot;screen real-estate&quot; issue? The 2010 toolbar consumes the full width of the editing text box + the scan image. Even if the toolbar isn't there, those two components will still take up the same amount of horizontal space. So horizontally I don't see how it makes any difference. Vertically it does sit above the text box and scan image, while the 2006 toolbar lives (IIRC) inside the text box. The 2010 toolbar also has a lot more functions that will tend to make it taller, especially if its subsections are expanded (the built-in character picker is particularly egregious here). But even considering those two factors it's not really a lot of pixels difference between the two vertically, especially compared to all the other UI elements involved.

The inconsistent position of the charinsert character picker sounds more like a bug, so when I have time I'll look into that and will probably have some questions for you then. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

== Linter tracked errors,, ==

Hi, the linter was reporting some misnested tags in  [[User talk:Beeswaxcandle/Archive6]]. Whilst these are almost certainly not your fault, their removal helps speed up improvments to the parser as it no longer has to deal with certain edge cases.  Much appreciate if you could consider making appropriate repairs to this and other pages in your User and User talk: spaces. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I have considered and discovered that I have no interest whatsoever in doing so. Is the page broken? No. Therefore nothing to be done. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:08, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

== an archived smile ==
I went through my archives (I had to find them first) looking for a link to that google book of renewals.  I did not find that but I did find [[User_talk:RaboKarbakian/Archives/2018#Rapid_validation|this]] which made me smile when I saw it, and then again when you deleted that bad page name for me today (and I got my speedy mixed up with my sdelete, oops).

Today, looking for that rapid validation violation I found &quot;don't indent&quot; and other such gems.  The rapid validation was truly earned and any decree to smarten up (rather than dumb down) I will always be grateful of.  I looked again at your work and was struck, again, by its beauty and HONEST TO GOD, I would have '''''immediately''''' validated it all over again, given the chance.

Honestly, I don't know if that link will make you upset again or not -- it made me smile, so I take the chance.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 02:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

== Delints.. ==

[[:User:Calebjbaker]] 

This had shown up as having empty running headers?  I'm not sure why.  Can you take a look? No changes needed {if at all at this stage.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:There was one of the 18 uses on the page that was empty. I've chucked a space character into it. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== Zyephyrus ==

As you may already know, we [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZyephyrus&amp;diff=14602639&amp;oldid=14546599 have lost] this contributor and admin forever, and so I would like to ask you with great regret if you could perform the sad duty of removing her admin rights. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

:Sorted. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

== Lints.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Beeswaxcandle/Archive7 -  Unpaired italics.  Can you look over this and other lints with a view to clearing the noise out of the listings? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

== Potm ==

That's very nice of you, but I was barely involved. I don't think I deserve that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:30, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:The awards are for participation. One edit that contributes to improving a text is enough in my book. I haven't done the awards for several years, but thought it was time to bring them back as a way of honouring contributions, both large and small. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:09, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

== What did I do wrong, I wonder? ==

Hi there, I wonder if you could help me decode what Baroque rule I broke, [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:EncycloPetey#Deleted_%22beyond_scope%22_please_explain here]? Cheers, [[User:Jonathanischoice|Jonathanischoice]] ([[User talk:Jonathanischoice|talk]]) 23:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

== Beethoven score snippet ==

It looks as though [[Page:Rolland - Beethoven, tr. Hull, 1927.pdf/143|this page]] is almost proofread, but the top piece of music is displaying the key signature and time signature on top of each other in the treble clef line.  Can you determine how to correct this issue? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed. If an ornament starts a voice, then all other voices need to start with the ornament as well. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:14, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

== Odes of Pindar ==

If you're looking for a LibriVox poetry need, I heartily suggest one of the translations of the [[Portal:Odes of Pindar|Odes of Pindar]].  LibriVox does not seem to have an author page for this Greek poet.

I have already transcribed two translations here on Wikisource, those by by Myers and by Wheelwright, and I plan to transcribe the translations by Paley and by Way.  If you're amenable, then I suggest looking at all four sets of translations and choosing the one set which you think reads aloud the best.  If it is Myers' or Wheelwright's, I can simply attach the recordings to our existing copies.  If you choose Paley's or Way's, then I shall transcribe that edition and attach the audio.

I also strongly recommend comparing against the [[Portal:Odes of Pindar|Portal]] list of Isthmian Odes before you publish.  The numbering scheme for that group is inconsistent between different translators and editions, and there is still controversy today over the numbering.

* Myers {{ssl|Odes of Pindar (Myers).djvu}}
* Paley {{ssl|Odes of Pindar (Paley).djvu}}
* Way{{ssl|Pindar in English Verse (Way 1922).djvu}}
* Wheelwright {{ssl|Pindar and Anacreon.djvu}} {{smaller|(hybrid volume containing both Pindar's Odes as well as anonymous poetry in the style of Anacreon from a much later period)}}
--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== &quot;Not Understood&quot; ==

Thanks for putting this on LibriVox. But ch23 (&quot;New Zealand Hymn&quot;) is missing.

Also, I was thinking of proofing the 1906 ''New Zealand Verse'' {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/newzealandverse00alexuoft/page/vi/mode/2up}}, but there's a couple of the [[User:IdiotSavant/NZ Poets|poets in it]] I haven't got death dates for, and so can't verify its PD in NZ: Amy Fowles and Mary H. Poynter (b 1873, so ''probably'' died before 1974, but I can't prove it). [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I know I recorded section 23 (I did it on Waitangi Day). I'll talk to the MC for the project and see what can be done.
:There's a Mary H. Poynter dec'd in Gisborne 15/5/1954 at 75 y.o. (https://cemeterysearch.gdc.govt.nz/detail/ORMOND-353).
:Amy Fowles had a poem published in 1903, which pushes her safely outside the 120 years from publication measure. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:46, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
::Its fixed now. Huzzah!
::Mary Poynter is Mary Harriet. I've down some more research and she [https://www.winters-online.net/MerH/g1/p12.htm died in 1956]. Fowles was [https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19051018.2.338 still writing in 1905], but there's no mention of them afterwards. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 01:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I just checked and came to let you know. I'll advise WANZ at the next online meeting of both the book and the recording. Well done on tracking down MHP. I think you're safe to proofread the book. Let me know when it's done and I'll add it to my list for recording. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::I'll set it up when I'm done with [[Index:The Story of a New Zealand River (1920).djvu]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 03:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I can't work on it yet, but setup is done: [[Index:A New Zealand verse (1906).pdf]] [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 09:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Sounds good. I don't have the space to assist at present (and tend to avoid curly quote works anyway). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:40, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hello, I saw what you said when you reverted my edit to User talk:AmandaNP, but can you please do me a favor and post that message of mine to [[m:User talk:AmandaNP]] for me?&lt;br&gt;I'm asking you because I cannot talk to her on Meta, since she does not have an IP subpage there (as she does with English Wikipedia). I am sure she '''will''' see any message posted to her Meta talk page. [[Special:Contributions/158.106.52.10|158.106.52.10]] 17:44, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also, the reason I posted that message to [[User talk:AmandaNP]] was because I couldn't post it on her English Wikipedia IP subpage (some bonehead got my shared IP blocked from English Wikipedia several months ago) or even to her Commons talkpage. [[Special:Contributions/158.106.52.10|158.106.52.10]] 19:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

== Hesperian and activity ==

If I'm reading the definition at [[WS:AP#Inactivity]] right, Hesperian is inactive: last edit in 07/2024, 10 months ago, and exactly 2 edits in the last year. Am I reading something wrong? If I'm not, then their reconfirmation discussion should say inactive. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:I didn't check, just thought that I remembered seeing edits. I'll amend the header. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Participation awards ==

First of all, thank you for giving them out in the first place. They're a great incentive to work on the PotMs. I'd like to ask: do you automate the insertion of the participation awards somehow or is it all manual? I ask because I've been [[WS:CSD#G7|G7'ing]] most of my userpages on Wikimedia sites in favor of [[meta:User:Theki|my Meta userpage]], but I haven't done this to my Wikisource userpage out of concern for the insertion of these awards.

Seeing as this is all being done by you, would it be best for me to keep my Wikisource page up to make things easier? Or could I get away with having them inserted on my talk page instead; or better yet, on my Meta userpage (I can give details if needed)? I don't want to make things too difficult to you, nor do I want to conflict with anything already in place, so please let me know what would be more convenient for you. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 16:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's all manual. I don't touch the Meta userpages and put the awards on User Talk: if the wikisourceror has a Meta page. A couple of people have created a User: subpage for their awards. As long as I know about that, then I can slip them in there.
:Thank you for the acknowledgement. There's been a gap of a few years in making the awards, but I thought it would be good to get them going again. I need to get the April awards sorted, but RL has been consuming time in the past week. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

== Contributions to New Zealand Botany ==

Hi, I've added [[Index:Contributions to New Zealand Botany.pdf|Contributions to New Zealand Botany]], but I seem to have made an error to do with invalid intervals and pagelists. Do you know how I could fix this? --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 21:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sorted. The file needed to be purged in Commons. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, I see, thanks! How do you do that? (is it the 'purge' button on WikiSource?) [[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 23:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The black circular arrow top right on the Index: page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:20, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
: (A bit more context on this error: it's not your fault; it's just something the software does to about every uploaded pdf or djvu since march 2024. IIRC it's related to how the servers handle file caching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

== Index:Cream of Tannahill's songs (1).pdf ==

Hi, I see that you have been adding validation dates to multiple National Library of Scotland chapbooks, which is great because they are then officially finished. However, in this case you did this before the work had been transcluded, which seems a little premature. I'm surprised that the software allows a date to be added while a work isn't transcluded. I have now transcluded this particular work. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 16:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: (If you'll excuse the intrusion.) Well, it's the validation date, as in {{page status text|validated}} (proofreadpage-quality4). If all pages of a work are validated, it's validated, regardless of its transclusions. I suppose the part that can be ambiguous is the &quot;Done&quot; part. Perhaps it should say &quot;''Transcription'' done&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Since I hope we can agree that for a work to be finished, it needs to have all its pages validated (or without text, or be adverts) and to be fully transcluded (maybe except for advertisements), perhaps the workflow needs some attention? Progress can be set to 'Done' (implying the whole thing is finished) without there being an appropriate transclusion status, and, currently, the only stated date is related to validation only, rather than to when a work is fully complete. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 11:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:My plan is staged. 1) Getting all the Indexes back into their correct categories. 2) Looking at everything that is in [[:Category:Index validated]] and making sure it has a date of validation on it. 3) Looking at missing transclusions and getting those sorted out. Each of these stages is smaller than the one before, but is reliant on the previous to make sure we're not missing something. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== `crat ==

cf. [[Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#Bureaucrat|WS:AN#Bureaucrat]],

Any chance you'd be interested in being a `crat? Ideally we'd have three—for redundancy and to spread the load—and right now we're down to a single `crat who has very little time for the project. I'm hoping BD will pick up the ball, and if I could rope another &lt;del&gt;gullible fool&lt;/del&gt;&lt;ins&gt;solid community member&lt;/ins&gt; into taking it on we'd be up three and Hesperian would have the option to resign without feeling guilty if they'd like to. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
: I endorse this plea. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
:: Just had a look at our current stats. 397 active users, 25 sysops, and 2 bureaucrats. I prefer the ratio of sysops to active users to be ca. 10–12. At the moment it's 16. Growing the number of sysops then means more bureaucrats are needed, so that the ratio is similar. I'm UTC+12; Hesperian is UTC+8; I don't know BD's time-zone (guessing between -5 and -8). If that's thought to be a sufficient time-spread, then I'll let my name go forward. If, however, it's decided we need coverage in other time-zones rather than mine, that's okay. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::Having a nice 24/7 spread of `crats would be nice, but the reality is that both of our current `crats have either resigned (Mpaa) or indicated that they desire to do so and are mostly staying on out of a sense of duty to the community (Hesperian). If we get you and BD elected we'd be up to two (+ however long we can fairly hope that Hesperian stays on to share of their experience). In other words, right now I'm not so much concerned with the optimum upper limit or spread as by the absolute ''minimum'' number we need to be self-sufficient.{{parabr}}Or put another way: if the community wants more timezonely diversified `crats they can darn well go find and recruit them! :) --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
:::: Oh, I don't disagree with that sentiment. I'm not averse to the proposal, but I won't be doing a self-nom. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
::::: I'm happy to [[Special:Diff/10828453|do the nom'ing]]! :) --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding photos to Hokitika 1921 ==

I wonder if I could get some help with the [[Index:Hokitika NZ Evans 1921.pdf|index for Hokitika (1921)]]. I scanned the photographic plates tipped in after page 8 and uploaded the new PDF, but now the pagination is all messed up, and I'm not sure how to fix it. BTW I've contacted Hokitika Museum to see if we can get higher quality scans of those photos for Commons; if now I'll just upload the bad scanned versions sans caption. Thanks! —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 22:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

:{{done}}. You also need to give consideration on how to transclude this text. Do you see it as a single document? Or as four articles contained within it? I would do the latter, but the transclusion is then a little more complicated to do. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 07:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks for sorting that! I'll upload placeholder photos to Commons so we can complete the work, and add better scanned versions as we can source them.

::I'd be inclined to keep the pamphlet as a single document. It was a conceived as a unit: the three other essays refer to each other and cross-reference, and two were written as supplements to the main Evans piece, presumably to make the whole thing substantial enough to sell as a fund-raising booklet (with the Haast material probably added as filler). So I think the work is best viewed as a single multi-chaptered publication with four authors. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 21:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Giantflightlessbirds}} I've just realised that I didn't quite say what I meant about transcluding the pamphlet. I agree that it is a unit, but I was thinking about putting each of the articles on a subpage—akin to chapters of a work. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

::::Oh I see! Yes, having them as &quot;chapters&quot; would absolutely make sense. Sorry, new to this. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 19:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::Transcluded at [[Hokitika, N.Z.]] (and subpages). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

== Closures ==

Hi,

In case it helps, I have checklists that I follow to ensure I don't miss a step: [[User:Hesperian/Notes/Admin closure]].

[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 01:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:Thanks. I had a feeling I'd missed something, but couldn't think what it was—updating the dates in the table. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

== Gadgetified old toolbar via enWP ==

I have hacked what enWP have done to get the old toolbar together and gadgetified, and just stole their extra buttons. Can you indicate to me what you would like to see in enWS buttons, and I will look to put them in place. I still have my old code in my common.js, though they are not being picked up, though if it is you and me alone, then I am willing to make our favourites the globals in a complete vested interest approach. :-)

Now that I have it working, I will attune it for local general use, throw in some things that I want, and attend to your wishes. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
:I have populated it with lots of the gumph that I use, still working on getting personal additions working, so those that are problems I can remove. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

::Just turned the gadget on. A little odd to see it again after more than two years without one. The only buttons that I would use from the current set are: nowiki; add hyphenated word; insert a reference. From my common.js I miss the zoom buttons the most. Also, an OCR button would be useful. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Oh of course. &lt;facepalm&gt; They will be somewhere in the proofread scripts. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 09:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

== [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:9A00:20D0:8129:8EE4:D748:9B9E]] ==

Please block this user, they are being horribly annoying. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 17:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

== Patrolling ==

Hello, I'm sorry to bother you. I don't know where to write, so I ask you.
I would like to be Patrol. What should I do? I'm here regularly, and I'm diligent. Thanks for your help :) [[User:Lois131|Lois131]] ([[User talk:Lois131|talk]]) 10:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|Lois131}} Thank you for the offer. To patrol effectively, you need to understand our policies, so spend some time reading through the links in the Welcome message on your Talk page. It's also helpful to be aware of the Speedy Delete reasons on [[WS:CSD]]. A brief summary of how to patrol and what to look for is on [[Help:Patrolling]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
::Thank you, I'm still reading and learning. And of course I'm editing and proofreading my favourite texts/books. And if I'm ready for patrolling, where do I write? What should I do? Thanks :) [[User:Lois131|Lois131]] ([[User talk:Lois131|talk]]) 08:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
:::There is no special place other than looking at Recent Changes and seeing what comes up. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

== Undelete Request  ==

[[Index:The complete works of Count Tolstoy (IA completeworksofc22tols).pdf]] was not a duplicate. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 11:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
:I didn't notice the offset in the speedy request on this one. Restored and deleted 21 as the correct duplicate. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

== Line breaks ==

Hi there,

I think when you were demonstrating editing for me you had a tool for removing line breaks – or did I imagine it? We're plodding along here in Hokitika, with a couple of works now transcluded and available in Overdrive to borrow. I've been clearing copyright on a couple of Google Books scans, and found most of our hit list of works already scanned and in IA or Hathi Trust, so have started moving them to Wikisource. We have one keen volunteer and a newbie, and another library interested in scanning works. So some progress is happening. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 03:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

== GRP ==

Is George Reeves Person. Long time abuser from Illinois area. Just another PITA that occasionally appears here, though typically user pages. You know the type that throw a spanner and we just shut down their haunts, they get bored and typically go away as we don't want to play with them, and they don't get their rocks off. &lt;shrug&gt; — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

== [[Author:A. Maud Moreland]] ==

Do you know anything more about the author than is on the author page or the front of the publication? Quick search doesn't show much evident for NZ, though quite probably restricting to NZ won't find much life information. Presuming that it is a female author, though not even a guarantee of that. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

== NC Uploads... ==

I see you deleted a lot of these?  Do you plan on filing DR at Commons? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:Also - (Source site has an apparent NC clause. Shall I keep looking?)
:: [[Index:First_Folio_(West_192)]] 
:: [[Index:First Folio (West 150).pdf]]

[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:: I would suggest looking for other uploads from the relevant source as well. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

:::I have no plans to do anything in respect to this matter. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

== Some Account of New Zealand ==

Hi there, the file update you made to [[Some Account of New Zealand]] has essentially broken the entire book. Have a look at any transcribed page after page 6 and you'll see the wrong transcriptions are now on the wrong pages. Additionally, one of the images in your new upload is much poorer quality, and the upload has the Google boiler page included. Can we revert to the previous file? Thanks, [[User:Supertrinko|Supertrinko]] ([[User talk:Supertrinko|talk]]) 21:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
:The fixes are still in progress. Currently waiting for a bot to move the later pages back by seven. Once that's done, the transclusions will be fixed. We never use images from the pdf itself, so I will update those as well. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
::Perfect, thanks very much for letting me know :) You shouldn't need to update the images, I cropped and uploaded those as separate files. [[User:Supertrinko|Supertrinko]] ([[User talk:Supertrinko|talk]]) 03:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

== poke confirmed ==

Hi. Would you mind popping past [[Special:UserRights/SOyeyele_(WMF)]] and assigning confirmed rights. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

:@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]: Uhm. Why? Sam has a grand total of one edit on enWS, and judging by their user page they are unlikely to make further edits beyond possibly a MassMessage or five. Certainly nothing that requires editing over autoconfirmed protection (which they'll get after 4 days / 10 edits anyway). This seems really arbitrary. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 15:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

::There was two, now three, regulars who thought otherwise. I think it appropriate to give a known wikimedia user the tick right off, one from the WMF seems an obvious exception to whatever protection autoconfirmed affords the site. &lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller;&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Cygnis insignis|CYGNIS INSIGNIS]]&lt;/span &gt; 16:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Xover}} [[Special:Abuselog]]. It is only &quot;confirmed&quot;, what is the issue? Not asking for the crown jewels, and I hardly do these things for the halibut.  — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]]: Oh, I see. With that context the +confirmed makes sense.{{pbr}}But the flip side is that to me the two relevant filters then look like they are excessively sensitive and apt to generate false positives like this one. I don't have the history that necessitated those filters with those particular (very low) threshold values, nor enough experience with the Abuse Filters facility, to be able to have a very firmly-founded opinion on it; but my takeway is that we might want to do some tuning of those to avoid false positives like this.{{pbr}}And there was no problem implied as such. It just didn't make sense with the available context, and I saw no request on-wiki that would explain it, so I wanted to figure out what the reasoning was. Worst case, as with now, I'd learn something. *shrug* [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Xover}} I [[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/478|modified one filter]], and I left the other, as it is a rare event with a way out per this request. I look at output from filters one, two or three times a day, and tweak them as required to minimise FPs. Our filters are [[Special:AbuseFilter/history|well-tended]] and those that dissuade or prevent action are minimal. I am always happy to explain my actions, and I cannot think that I would ask for any rights change for an arbitrary reason. I don't do arbitrary. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Tool to remove the background of a drawing/sketch/illustration ==

Hi there,

Thanks for the useful presentation this past weekend at WikiCon. I think I missed this part of your Adam seems to remember a tool you talked about that removed the background of a drawing or sketch, possibly automatically. Would you be able to share what this might have been? Thanks. [[User:HughLilly|HughLilly]] ([[User talk:HughLilly|talk]]) 01:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{ping|HughLilly}} I use IrfanView. It's a free download for Windows or Linux. Unfortunately not available for MacOS. To pull up the Paint dialog, press F12. The tool is the Color Replacer [''sic'']. Have fun, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

== Piano / sheet music-related question ==

Unrelated to Wikisource. May I email you? [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 15:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
:Of course. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Question. Do the LilyPond transcriptions not have the sound files generated at the end of the scores anymore? Do I remember correctly that they used to? [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 13:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
:LilyPond got turned off in July last year and has only recently been allowed again. While it wasn't available any scores that had vorbis=1 in the opening tag caused documents to fail to render. So, we commented out most of the vorbis statements. Now, that it's working again, it is safe to reinstate them. You may find that some scores fail because of technical problems. Let me know and I'll see what can be done to fix them. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
::Okay. Thanks. I was just going to play around with a file (in preview mode only) sometime in the near future to see how something &quot;translates&quot;, but it is for personal purposes only, so I don't want to bother anyone with it :) [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 23:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 26.djvu]] ==

You plan to do the pageslist yourself? Thanks :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 06:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

== If two weeks ==

Hi. Hope that you are well, and not overly hampered by A's restrictions. If there is a new measure for closing, would you be so kind to have that reflected in [[Wikisource:Restricted access policy]]. I don't have an issue with the time period, just wish to manage expectations. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

== &quot;recent changes&quot; ==

First, thank you for explaining what you changed in the most recent move log.  I looked at it and looked at it.  Then again and some more.  Now, I have a question.  Is the little line that has a dedicated key on most english keyboards a dash or a hyphen?  LaTeX thinks it is a minus sign, which is, lord knows, fine by me.  Thank you for your time (and talk space)in settling my somewhat stupified state.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 00:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

:The key on the keyboard produces a hyphen. Technically a minus-sign is a different character, but the hyphen is generally used in general texts. There are two forms of dashes: the en-dash (–), used to separate ranges; and the em-dash (—), used to indicate a break in thought. It is our policy that page names only use a hyphen, even when an en-dash is correct, which is what I was adjusting, as I accidentally used the en-dash before and after the pipe, instead of after only. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
::Thank you so much.  My list of little lines that have meanings just went from 3 to 5 in number.  And yes, there is a lot wrong with LaTeX, it is good that the &amp;lt;math /&gt; space allows so many wrongs and such untidinesss.  This &quot;knowing&quot; of the hyphen key, that you shared with me just now -- I feel greatly settled and gently amused by that in the Recent Changes. May you have such a good day (or night) for this as I am now!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 00:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

== Usage of Scans Template ==

I see that you are reverting my usages of {{tl|scan}} because &quot;don't link to scans when they are fully validated&quot; Is this a hard rule? My idea was to use scan to distinguish texts that are scan-backed from non-scan backed. Do you know where I can find the rules governing the usage of {{tl|scan}} ?[[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:The backend arcana of Index: and Page: spaces should (mostly) be transparent to the normal reader. Putting a link to the Index: page on a work indicates that there is more to be done to complete it. Complete works don't need this. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:@[[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]]: Also, all scan-backed pages automatically get a link to the relevant Index: page through the &quot;Source&quot; page tab at the top of the page. To the degree we have a need to technically differentiate further (which I am not necessarily convinced of) we need to look at other methods; and a principle for any template-based tagging would be that we tag the pages that are a &quot;problem&quot;—the non-scan-backed ones—and not the ones that are actually up to current standards. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:: {{re|Xover}} Ok, I see that the ultimate goal is to present clean links on pages. However, I think that it's also helpful to easily visually distinguish scan-backed texts from non-scanned-backed texts. Would either of you support adding a template to tag non-scanned backed version, say with perhaps this icon [[file:Edit-delete-not encyclopedic2.svg|25px]]. Maybe call it, {{tl|noscan}}? [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 12:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
::: Once idea I had is to use the wikidata not proofread / proofread / validated icons (we could even pull them from wikidata). [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 15:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
:::: That might not be a bad idea and save quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to look ahead at the link on the Author/Portal/Version ns and see if it is from a transcluded text and, if so, the status of the entire Index, and then automatically add an icon. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
::::: Definitely NOT on the Author pages. Keep them as simple as possible: do we host such and such a work? That's all they're meant to indicate. The mainspace is where the indication of status lives. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
: FYI, I find that scan image confusing now that we also have &quot;Ready for Export&quot; (i.e. that book implies good for e-book rather than having scans), but that is another whole topic... [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 03:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

== scores and stupid users ==

I did.  I found at least two songbooks and uploaded them here and added the needs score template.

I tried to proof the words, but I did not and still do not know what form would be best for the software and and person applying the software to the words would be.

It is easier for me to believe that a person would be not musical, yet interested in music than a person being interested in math but not mathy.  The subjects are similar, very similar from what little I know of music and its notation, but they don't map onto the world and its inhabitant the same way.

And further, I have an aversion to GUILE, Lisp and my first online experience with scripting language howtos was something like &quot;Script-fu in one Unfun&quot;.  I was going to install lilypond and when I saw it required guile, I considered removing my eyeballs so they could roll in a bigger circle.  I used to think it was the curly brackets, but I am here and templates require three on each side, so it isn't that.  Maybe it is a learned bias, although, some of my snobberies are there to keep me from doing too much.

So, this is a rant, and it is mostly about how undeserving of ranting I am.  55 needs math templates and the person isn't proofing the pages, just smacking the template on them.  But I can't rant because I basically did that also.

The image software has a script-fu server running at all times.  I remember a kindly person hinting about the file chooser also.

So, no need to reply, I am unloading, in an I'm sorry sort of way.  

And in other conversations https://dev.w3.org/html5/html-author/charref says that &amp;amp;hyphen == &amp;amp;dash and I say that I appreciate that you use hyphen as its name since there is a whole dash family.  I downloaded that page and sent it to my ereader and none of it displayed.  None!!! 

Thank you for your time and participation in this sad, sorry sorry sorry rant.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 05:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

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== Playford ==

Thank you for your help with formatting at [[Index:The_English_Dancing_Master-John_Playford-1651.pdf]]. I'm still pretty inexperienced here and your fixes let me figure out what to do. I've copied your formatting methods on subsequent pages of the TOC; you saved me a lot of trial and error. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 03:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

== Help with formatting ==

Hi Beeswaxcandle. I need help here:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

I have played around with the spacing in the last section but can't get it right. I don't understand coding and just copy what others have done, but that means there's a lot I'm doing wrong. I'd like to align the page numbers so they are right-justified.

I see that you have done this page, so you know how to do this:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Lewis_Carroll_-_Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland.djvu/19

Would you please do enough lines so I can then copy what you've done and finish it? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 17:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Valjean}} Like you, I've learnt from copying what others have done. This is best done as a table. I've done the first page completely and started the second. As I don't know what the names of the pages will be when they're transcluded, I haven't done any links. If you have any questions about why I done particular things, please drop me a note here. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Wow! That looks great. Thanks so much. I notice there are three errors (pp. 24, 25, pp. 39, 40, and p. 61 got lost). -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 19:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
::: The narrow width of the side by side view means that content longer than the word &quot;Page&quot; at the head of the column gets squished. However, when transcluded at full width of screen (or viewed in preview), everything will look fine. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: I see what you mean, but that means that it looks wrong at 100% but right at 90%. The lost p. 61 is still a problem. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
On this page

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/488

It doesn't look right until I'm down to 50%. There's got to be a way for it to look right at 100%. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

: Okay, I've forced the width of the last column on that page by setting a dummy row in the header. When it gets to pairs of three digits, we'll need to look at that again and make sure it's still the correct width. wrt the &quot;61&quot; at the bottom of /487, that's a binder's mark indicating that fascicle 61 starts here. It's part of how books used to be produced and makes sure that all the sections are in the right order. As such it's irrelevant to producing books on the web, and by policy we omit all of these. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:: That fixed it. I think there are several pages with those fascicle numbers. I'll find and remove them. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I tried forcing the width of the last column on this page

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

but it still only looks right at 90%. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 20:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

::Because /487 is the first page of the table, we need to set the parameters when initiating it. These will carry through to all the pages after transcluding. The later pages just need to look okay in the Page: namespace, which is why the parameters are set in the header field. I've tweaked it, see how it works for you now. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
::: So that info in the header field doesn't need to be repeated on each page? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: Technically, no it's not needed, but I recommend you do as it helps you see when a line is out of whack. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Another issue... I think there's too much space between the heading (INDEX) and the body [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/489 here]. I'm not sure how to fix that. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 16:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:This is something that will sort itself out when transclusion happens. What you're seeing is the empty table row from the header box. In most tables of contents that I've dealt with there is a repeated word &quot;Pages&quot; at the top of every page that fills in that gap and makes it less obvious. This one is the exception. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:: The &quot;page&quot; word is only used once, on the [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Federalist,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487 first Index page]. Shouldn't we fix this on all the next pages? There's too big of a gap. I'm hesitant to proceed further until this is resolved. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
::: I've transcluded the three pages done so far to [[User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox]]. As you can see there is no gap at the page changes. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
:::: That looks quite different than the individual pages we edit. So what is it that readers will see? Will they read it as the individual pages we edit or as a long transcluded version? If it's the transcluded version, then we're wasting editing effort on headers and footers since they won't show in the transcluded version. Help me understand this. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::::: I have tried your transclusion trick here: [[User:Valjean/The Federalist]], but it lacks the small links on the left side. Why is that? -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:::::: Now I've tried it on a Sandbox page, and it works. Weird. [[User:Valjean/Sandbox]] -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
::::::: The page links only show in particular namespaces. The arcana of which I leave to the tech-nerds. The readers of the work in the mainspace will see the long transcluded version. Anyone who clicks on the small page links in the left margin will see the page as it is in the Page: namespace. The reason for doing the headers/footers in the Page: namespace is as an aid to navigation. Other editors here go to great lengths to match them exactly. My personal view is to replicate the content in an approximate form. However, I've found that battles are reduced if I strike a middle ground. However, there are some things, like table tags and some templates that must be in the header/footer fields to allow for correct representation in the mainspace. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

==Editing my user page==
Do you have any idea why I can't edit my user page? It seems to be transcluded and what should be the edit tab says this: &quot;view on meta.wikimedia.org&quot;. Clicking that tab does take me [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Valjean here]. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 02:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:wrt to editing your user page: It looks like you've set up a global user page at some time. I don't remember where the settings for this live. Probably on meta. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
:: Okay, I'll check my preferences there. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 03:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Baby steps in Wikisource ==

You've kindly suggested as I'm new to enWS that a small proofreading or validation task would be good as a first step. 
My interests include: NZ Women (biographies and other material esp in relation to suffrage),Children's literature, NZ law. 
Thanks [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

:{{ping|Noracrentiss}} A validation task that would be useful is to go through some of the laws listed at [[Portal:Royal Society of New Zealand]]. Validation is being a second pair of eyes on the text. Did the proofreader (me) get all the spellings and punctuation correct? There's no need to worry about the layout for these, as that's already dealt with. To get to the scans to verify against, click on the &quot;Source&quot; button along the top above the page header. That will take you to the Index: page. From there you can click on any yellow page in the pagelist and then verify the text side-by-side with the scan. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} I have reviewed the [[Royal Society of New Zealand Act 1997|Royal Society of New Zealand Act]] and &quot;Validated&quot; all but 4 pages where I corrected some minor typos. I left these pages as unvalidated as I assume someone will need to check that my corrections are in fact correct. I forgot to put a note about what I had changed on the first page but think I remembered to do it on the other 3 pages. I wasn't sure if this is the correct procedure. so will hold off doing any more validation until I get confirmation (or otherwise) about whether or not I'm on the right track. (And as an aside, my reason for choosing this particular Act to do first is that when I worked for MORST (MBIE's predecessor), I was involved in &quot;shepherding&quot; this actual Act through Parliament. )
::{{ping|Noracrentiss}} It's fine to mark corrected pages as Validated—particularly if the corrections are minor. It's only when I've had to make major changes, like a complete re-do that I leave it as Proofread. Your aside is a big part of what makes doing this stuff so interesting. I'm working on tracking down some material on NZ suffrage. I was hoping to find some materials via ''Eliza &amp; the White Camellia'' that was published for the 125th anniversary of 1893, (Eliza was my great-great-grandmother.) but there's no bibliography. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

== Thanks for the autopatroller rights ==

Thanks for the change to my rights!  I've been dabbling for awhile and still having fun.  Have an easy day! [[User:The Eloquent Peasant|The Eloquent Peasant]].

== The Lady of the Camellias ==

Hi, you leaved me a note about [[The Lady of the Camellias]] requesting chapter split, soo I did, I would also like to know how I could reduce the text width like for example in the French version: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Dame_aux_cam%C3%A9lias/I ? Thanks.
:{{ping|BluePrawn}} My preference is to allow readers to select their desired layout rather than force it on them, so I am not the one to ask how to force it. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
:: I can understand your point of view, it's true that different people can have different taste, but it's not true that if someone prefer the other layout he/she can get it, there's no css switcher on wikisource to select different layout, the maximum someone can do is reduce the browser window width, and then the text will still stay very close to the left menu which is disturbing to read the content, and the text will not be justified. Most people probably prefer justified text in books, because I've never seen even a single book where the text is not justified. I also think that we have several centuries of experience about how to make a good layout for novel books, they almost always have about something similar because this is what is the easier to read for everyone ; if really a lot of reader would like different layout for books we would find in book shops a lot of different kind of book presentation. But I still share your opinion about not force a presentation, in the example I gave the width of the text is expressed in fixed pixel in the css instead of percentage of the window, which is personally what I prefer, but for the one I helped on the English wikisource it would still be nice to add some padding on the left and right which would not force anything while the reader will still be able to resize his window to change the width of the text. Anyway it's only a small detail and a minor issue, still thanks for your answer :)

== West Coast Task Force ==

The West Coast Task Force [[Wikisource:West Coast Task Force|project page]] is growing, as we now have a paid person at Grey District Library scanning regularly, and have received a little grant money. Lots more works being added to Wikisource over the next few months. Thank you for all your support of the project, and feel free to formally add yourself to the team if you'd like to contribute regularly. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 21:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

== {{tl|ls}} doesn't work properly with {{tl|hws}} ==

Hi, a [[Page:A general history of the pyrates, from their first rise and settlement in the Island of Providence, to the present time (1724).djvu/17|page]] I've transcribed has hyphenated word that contains &quot;ſ&quot; (''diſ-cover’d''). I've tried to use the {{tl|ls}} template with the {{tl|hws}}, but it breaks the span title because it itself cannot contain spans. Is there any way around this issue? [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 20:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

:You can pass something in the &quot;title&quot; parameter (e.g. discover'd) to populate the tool tip. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 20:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Alnaling|Alnaling]] ([[User talk:Alnaling|talk]]) 08:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

== Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated - Draft Strategy 2022-2025 Feedback Round ==

Kia ora,

The Committee of Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated have developed a draft strategy for 2022 -2025. Feedback from members of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand that are New Zealanders or residents of Pacific islands without an established chapter is encouraged. The draft strategy can be read and commented on at this Google docs link  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XoqMupo_5TlLs_6xuMU-3KU5_Lzks8unwFRo4QuDVM4/edit?usp=sharing  or in the discussion page of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand by adding a New Topic. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand  The feedback round closes at midnight Sunday 9 October 2022. [[User:Einebillion|Einebillion]] ([[User talk:Einebillion|talk]]) 03:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

== Greek in Matthew Henry ==

Mystified as to the purpose of your change and comment, though it's not particularly a problem.  The Greek is part of the quotation from the Bible.  Quotations from the Bible (and from other books) are what is italicized in Matthew Henry.  The Greek letters are slanted in the page image.  Therefore I don't see a problem with them being italicized.  This is what I've done before on other pages.  Matthew Henry frequently has bilingual quotations - e.g. a Latin and its English equivalent, both in italics. [[User:PeterR2|PeterR2]] ([[User talk:PeterR2|talk]]) 09:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
:Standard print convention is that words and phrases that are normally italicised are put into roman if they occur in an italicised section of text. ''i.e.'' they're always the opposite of the surrounding text. This was the intent of my comment. However, here at enWS we don't normally italicise Greek anyway. Instead we use the marking templates. These both mark the text as being in the language and use a special Greek font that is more readable than the Greek letters in the standard fonts. Italicising characters that are not standard Roman glyphs doesn't really make sense. The purpose of italicising is to provide emphasis. The fact that a different alphabet is being used is already emphasis enough. In Henry's work, the Greek just looks italicised because that's the nature of the font the publisher has used. There are similar issues in Cyrillic and Hebrew (and Indic) texts. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

== Submission Result - Wikisource - ESEAP 2022: Reconnect ==

Dear Beeswaxcandle,

My name is Ghozi. I’m co-ordinator of Program Committee for ESEAP 2022: Reconnect.

Thank you for submitting a proposal for the conference. Program Committee decided to accept your proposal for the [[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022/Program | program ]].

We have placed you in the Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource. Please find the details regarding your session below.


1) Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource (60 mins)

Moderator - TBC

- Opening - (5 mins)

- Beeswaxcandle (40 mins)

- QA - (10 mins)

- Closing - (5 mins)


Please let us know if you’re okay with this arrangement. After we got your confirmation, we may need your email and CC you in a new thread with everyone involved in this session, so everyone can discuss the session more.

Thank you, stay healhty and have a good day.


Best regards,

Ghozi Septiandri

On behalf of the Program Committee

[[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022 | ESEAP 2022: Reconnect]] [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 14:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

:Hello Beeswaxcandle,
:I saw your name in the list of [[m:ESEAP_Conference_2022/Participants|participants]] :)
:Let me know which media/medium you are comfortable talking more about your session.
:Best,
:Ghozi [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 22:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Ghozi, Timing looks to be fine, although a QA session seems to be superfluous in an active workshop setting and I expect to be answering questions throughout. What do you need from me in terms of &quot;discussion&quot; of the session? The only two venues to contact me are on this talk page or via the email this user function. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Hello Beeswaxcandle,
:::No need to worry about the QA part. This details above is a draft. We will build the session based on what you need. You can add more speakers if someone reaches you after the submission to join the panel. There're a lot of new names related to Wikisource from the list of participant, we can send an invitation to join this panel. 
:::After the official announce tomorrow, we plan to have a chat together (organizer, moderator and speaker/s) next week. We can do that here :) if you want. [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 02:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

== Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource! - ESEAP 2022: Reconnect ==

Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource!
 
Thanks for your passion, effort, and support to build the program for the ESEAP 2022: Reconnect. Please see the updated draft for this session below.
 
Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource&lt;br&gt;
Moderator: Satdeep Gill (WMF)&lt;br&gt;
- Opening (5 mins)&lt;br&gt;
- Beeswaxcandle (NZL) (40 mins) (from submission)&lt;br&gt;
- QA (10 mins)&lt;br&gt;
- Closing (5 mins)&lt;br&gt;
 
Note:&lt;br&gt;
1) If you have a presentation file please send the file here. Or you can upload it into commons and send the link here before 15 November 2022.&lt;br&gt;
2) We will ask participant to not take any picture for privacy policy.&lt;br&gt;
3) Please write your short bio for the moderator to introduce the speaker.&lt;br&gt;
4) You may want to wear something iconic from your origin country such as a national costume or trademark (flag, toy, flower, animal, etc) at the Friday Night Social Event.&lt;br&gt;
5) This session is not streamed.&lt;br&gt;

Feel free to let us know if you have any questions regarding the program.
See you in Sydney next week :)
 
Thanks again and have a good day.
 
Best regards,
Ghozi Septiandri
On behalf of the Program Committee
ESEAP 2022: Reconnect [[User:GhoziSeptiandri|GhoziSeptiandri]] ([[User talk:GhoziSeptiandri|talk]]) 17:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

== Proper TOC formatting in 'Outdoor Girls in Florida' ==

Hi, I fail to see how converting the incorrectly formatted contents pages into correct TOC format, with accurate layout and formatting constitutes 'uglification'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 09:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
:It's not &quot;incorrectly formatted&quot;. It's a simple, elegant table. It is not required to reproduce dot-leaders here—particularly where the page number is not the link. The dot-leader templates are problematic in their implementation and I ceased using them in late March 2013. Additionally, dot-leaders have neither a practical nor an ornamental function in an e-presentation of a book. We are not confined to the printed page here and far too much time is spend by some editors in attempting to reproduce the artefacts of the printers' workarounds to make things fit within the boundaries of a piece of paper, or to look good on that same size of paper. Does it look good on a small phone screen ''and'' on a 15″ laptop screen? If so, that's all we need to do. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

== yet another music book ==

This book is stalled at pg.  I have been wanting to ask you to consider doing it, well, since I learned that you are the goto person for this.  It is not the usual song book, it is bird song put to notes:
[[:File:Field book of wild birds and their music (IA fieldbookofwildb00math).pdf]].

Probably you know this, but a word of warning is due.  Birds that vocalize are called &quot;song birds&quot;.  So this is not just a book of beautiful tweets and shrills.  For example, my favorite when I saw it because even without knowing how to read music, I knew it to be true is the Flicker, pg 23/79 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AField_book_of_wild_birds_and_their_music_(IA_fieldbookofwildb00math).pdf&amp;page=79

Also, while flipping around for that, I noticed what is probably a very dorky song about a cuckoo and a cherry tree, but most of it is bird song!

When I found this, it was my first hands-on with half-tone images.  I have recovered from the ''indignation'' and the ''appalled'' and can dig out what I did or redo them (the plates).  Also, I will proof them and not put indentations in it and I might be able to get some help to proof it (which will be better than me, for sure!) -- however much or little you would like me to do, you being the resident artist and me being the fan and the wanna be and wanna have and the music illiterate.  

I really did not want to bother you, I know you have a backlog of your own projects and probably those for others as well, but recent encouragement has come my way that perhaps you are bored and maybe will be open to this new book.  Ever hopefully--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 17:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

:I know I have a similar project for NZ bird song coming my way, which I would prefer to work on as a proof of concept before tackling something the size of this work. I'm also trying to clean off some of my long outstanding projects before getting involved in some new ones. Let's see how the NZ one goes before we jump into this one. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

::Let me know when the NZ book is here and ready to go!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 18:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

== Table formatting help ==

I have attempted to reproduce the tables for the vocab on [[Page:Fairytales•Tregear•1891.pdf/10]], but they are obviously short of the mark. When you have a moment, would you please sort them out on that page? Then I will be able to use that formatting at the end of each chapter where the vocab tables appear. [[User:Oronsay|Oronsay]] ([[User talk:Oronsay|talk]]) 01:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Oronsay}} I've done what I do with these. What I've done in each column is find the widest word and then put a {{tl|gap}} at the end of it to force the next column to start across a bit more. For the definitions, I've just set as a single column rather than messing around with balancing, which means we don't need to worry about the centre line. Because the font is smaller on the printed page, I've also reduced it to 92%—which is a distinguishable size without getting too small for the general reader. The next standard size down is 83% (or smaller), but I don't think we need to do that in this book. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 01:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you so much. I will be able to work through the pages that I've already done and update with this formatting advice. Takes me back to typing school in the 1970s where we had to count the longest word in each column and then work out the tabs to set. [[User:Oronsay|Oronsay]] ([[User talk:Oronsay|talk]]) 01:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
==[[Adams ex rel. Kasper v. School Board of St. Johns County, Florida]]==
How so are these “multiples”? They are separate works, which I finished at around the same time. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
:The point of the New Texts template is to showcase on the Main page the variety of works that we host and are actively working on. When the same title appears four times, in this case, as a block it diminishes that purpose. It also has the effect of pushing works off the Main page even more quickly than already happens. Additionally, two of the works had the same author, which is listed in the instructions as something to never have in the active part template at the same time. The four works looked like a series, so I chose the oldest one to remain active. I would also add that, if I hadn't adjusted the list, one of the others would have. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

== Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

I think I found the full name of E P Dumerque (I believe he was Edward Perry Dumerque) who was a contributor to the Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute. I left a message on the name's Discussion page with some possible linking sources. It's not 100% certain that this is the same person and I wasn't quite sure what I should do with my contention that this is the full name. Can you advise? Thanks very much [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 06:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

== Papers Past contact for Transactions ==

Kia ora, I let Emerson at Papers Past know about the project and he reckons there's opportunity to help each other. If you're interested message me an email address and I'll put you in touch! [[User:Avocadobabygirl|Avocadobabygirl]] ([[User talk:Avocadobabygirl|talk]]) 01:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

== [[Template:New texts]] ==

Hi, Why did you revert me there? This work was never included in new works. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 11:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
:New texts is for texts that are new, ''i.e.'' recently completed. That work was completed in July 2019, which is not new. I was initially alerted by the Handel work, which I knew I had worked on many years ago as part of PotM. Some editors choose not to put their completed works in the new texts area—and that's okay—it's not intended to be a complete catalogue. That's covered by [[:Category:Index Validated]]. If you want the works to be in the new texts list, then they should be interpolated into the appropriate month in the archives. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
::I consider that the omission to include a pity. I don’t see any issue with inserting a work in &quot;New Texts&quot; which was never inserted before, even if it wasn't completed right now. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 12:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

== Re:Welcome ==

Thanks for your Welcome. I am active in [https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Utente:Giaccai it.Wikisource]. Here I'll help this [https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Projet_Lessico_Beni_culturali University Project]. --[[User:Giaccai|Susanna Giaccai]] ([[User talk:Giaccai|talk]]) 18:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

== link to Wikipedia and Wikidata ==

Can you please tell me how to make link to wikidata ad to Wikipedia.  In fr:wikisource &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Hwp|Basilique Santa Maria Novella|Santa Maria Novella}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and to Wikidata &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Annotation QID|Q3606185|fresques de la Scala}},&lt;/nowiki&gt; Thanks [[User:Giaccai|Susanna Giaccai]] ([[User talk:Giaccai|talk]]) 15:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

== Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

Hello, you have modified [[Page:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 40.djvu/584|pages 584]] and [[Page:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 40.djvu/585|585]]. Without section [[Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute/Volume 40/Meeting 4, Paper 1|this page]] has no more content. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 14:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
:Sorted by deleting for the time being. Incorrectly named as there were multiple meetings of the various societies that make up the Institute. Once the Wellington Philosophical Society subpage of Volume 40 is created after proofreading all the pages of it, then it (and the next article) will have their place. Also, it is incorrect to apply a license template to subpages where it is not different to the parent page. CC-by doesn't apply to pre-1927 works. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, that's consistent. A new article will be created when more pages are proofread. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 10:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

== NZ Authors. .. ==

Was this of interest: -
https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies  It's a Biographical directory for prominent people from New Zealand?
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks, but I've been using it for several years to work out who some of the Authors in the ''Transactions'' are. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

== [[Author:Ramy Allison Whyte]] or White ? ==

You created the author page with the y spelling but the portal had the i spelling. On Goodreads, I see a couple of covers with the i spelling. Do you know if the y spelling was actually used ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:31, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, on looking back at my source it looks like a typo on my part. Thanks for picking it up. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 23:10, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
::Cheers. So should the y version just be deleted ? Or should it be left as a soft redirect ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 08:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
:::It's on the borderline in terms of time, so a soft direct for a couple of months is best. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:13, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

== [[Author:Alexander Wojeikof]] ==

I've identified this person in wikidata {{wikidata link|Q1378553}} but he already has a different english author page [[Author:Aleksandr Ivanovich Woeikoff]] as well as this one. Author:Alexander Wojeikof I'm not sure what to do now to link the two author pages to the Wikidata entry. I've updated the wikidata entry to add information to the &quot;also known as&quot; values. Can you let me know how to progress? Do the two author pages need merging? [[User:Einebillion|Einebillion]] ([[User talk:Einebillion|talk]]) 04:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, they need merging with a redirect, but I'm not sure in which direction, or if indeed a new page that combines the two. {{ping|Billinghurst}} can you assist with (or advise on) this? [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
::There is a merge gadget at WD that you can set up to use.  Typically that will merge to the oldest item, and that is suitable. I'll get it done. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:07, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
:::oh, just locally. I have merged to the longer name, though Russian names have such variability when Anglicised and interpreted. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 05:12, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

== How do I add missing pages in Wikisource? ==
If I found a missing page in the following example:
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:A_curious_herbal_volume_1_blackwell.djvu/63&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1

If I have the replacement page, how do I upload it since the file is in the djvu or pdf format? It will be troublesome to modify the file and upload it again. Wikisource seems do not provide a guide for this. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 12:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

:Drop a message at the [[WS:LAB|Scan Lab]] and the team there will be able to assist you with this. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
: Noted, thanks ! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 11:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

== LibriVox ==

How did you determine that [[Special:Diff/13423573|this]] is the same edition as our text? The [https://librivox.org/the-case-book-of-sherlock-holmes-by-sir-arthur-conan-doyle-2/ LibriVox] page doesn't seem to give any edition information at all (well, or I am blind, which is probably equally likely). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

:On the LV page on the left there is a link to the &quot;Online text&quot; used. The PG page at that link indicates that it was the John Murray 1927 edition that was the basis of the American reprint that was read from. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
::Ah. Elementary, apparently. :){{pbr}}But are you sure that's the text they used for this particular reading? I've seen LibriVox link to a random Gutenberg text in that link on enough occasions that I am very sceptical of it absent other evidence. I don't follow LibriVox enough to be categorical either way, of course, but… [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I'm sure because I was one of the readers and that's the text I used. I'm only linking to LibriVox recordings that I've done or been involved with. My solos are all based on our own texts as derived from IA or HathiTrust, but I don't have control over the editions chosen by others for group work. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
::::Oh, excellent. Good to know. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== The gardener's and botanist's dictionary - 1807 edition ==

I found some online scans of the four volumes - they were under Philip Miller's name, but were shown as edited by Thomas Martyn on the title page. Hope that this is what you were looking for!

* HaithiTrust: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100790561
* BHL: [https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/search?searchTerm=Miller%2C%20Philip&amp;tinc=&amp;searchCat=&amp;stype=C&amp;lname=&amp;ninc=&amp;vol=&amp;yr=&amp;subj=&amp;sinc=&amp;lang=&amp;col=&amp;nt=&amp;ntinc=&amp;txt=&amp;txinc=&amp;ppage=1&amp;apage=1&amp;kpage=1&amp;npage=1&amp;facet=FacetItemAuthors_Miller,%20Philip,&amp;facet=DateRanges_1801-1825#/titles Search results - four volumes] - the scans are held on the &quot;Biblioteca del Real Jardín Botánico de Madrid&quot; digital library, I found you could download the individual volumes, but they were large and took a while to download (for example, Vol I Part I was 312 MB and took about 10-15 minutes to download - they may be better quality scans)
* Internet Archive: only [https://archive.org/details/the-gardeners-and-botanists-dictionary-vol.-ii-part-ii-philip-miller-1807_202011/ Vol II, Part II]

A nice description from the [https://www.rct.uk/collection/1070889/the-gardeners-and-botanists-dictionary-containing-the-best-and-newest-methods-of UK Royal Collection Trust] [[User:David Nind|David Nind]] ([[User talk:David Nind|talk]]) 09:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

:Wonderful, thank you. I'll see what we can do with the Madrid scans. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:09, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

== Preserving extra spacing between paragraphs ==

Hi @[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]], thanks for keying me into WS:STYLE and use of &lt;nowiki&gt;''italics''&lt;/nowiki&gt; instead of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{emtext}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; (I'm a new editor, but saw the latter used in another Wikisource work so I mistook it as a convention). 

I noticed in [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Urantia_Book,_1st_Edition.djvu/189&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=13462921 this edit] of The Urantia Book you removed some double blank lines. In this text, variable sizes between paragraphs have meaning (I'm very familiar with this text). Would it not best to preserve that intent, since [[WS:STYLE#Formatting]] mentions it as allowable? Should we use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{DoubleHeightRow}}?&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 19:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

:Ah. I didn't notice the distinction between the two paragraph settings on that page and just assumed. Sorry about that. Yes, the double blank lines is correct. I don't like the {{tl|DoubleHeightRow}} template for various reasons and so would prefer just the double return. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
::Good deal, thanks! Will look at your recent contribs for examples of best practices. Cheers [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 23:52, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

== DNB entry for Charlotte Brontë (in volume 6) ==

Hi, I've come across a problem with volume 6 of DNB (fully validated and transcluded) and didn't want to undo anything unnecessarily (e.g. changing status of pages to 'problematic' and removing 'fully validated' status) before consulting someone. In the scan, pages 411 and 412 are out of order, consequently the transcluded article is assembled incorrectly. I could fix this in the transclusion, but fixing the scan would be the better option.

Apologies if you're not the right person to ask for an opinion; I couldn't find a central contact point for the DNB project and I've come across you in recent DNB edits. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

== Score for Yeats ==

I've nearly finished [[Index:Sophocles' King Oedipus.pdf]].  This is a key English translation and publication by Irish dramatist W. B. Yeats.  This is ''the'' translation that was made into an art film with a young William Shatner in the chorus, which in turn was ''the'' film that inspired Tom Lehrer's song &quot;Oedipus Rex&quot;.  But I will need assistance stitching together the musical portions (pp. 55 to 61). If you can assist with this, so that the pages are Proofread, it would be much appreciated.

'''Things to note:'''
# There are five Choruses, each of which spans more than one page.  I do not know whether our score tags can handle page-spanning pieces, and would not be surprised if we had to &quot;move&quot; musical portions to condense each Chorus to a single page.  I haven't had to do this before.  On the plus side, there is a single melody line and (mostly) single vocal text line for each Chorus.  But this isn't a situation I've dealt with before, so I don't know how we would accomplish this best.
# I have never before had to deal with a key signature or time signature change mid-piece, so rather than try to kludge them together, I transcribed each separately.  I put each melody line and each vocal line on separate lines to match the line breaks in the original for ease of proofreading / troubleshooting.
# The &quot;Second Chorus&quot; (pp.67 to 68) is the only piece with '''simultaneous''' vocal text, though only a few words in total.  I could not find an example of how to do this that made sense, since the rhythm also differs between the two &quot;words&quot; that are simultaneous, so the few second line words have been placed into the footer.  I need help inserting the parallel words into those three situations.
# The prefatory material suggests a particular range/timbre for each voice, so if it can be done without much grief, I'd like to be able to set a different sound for each of the different sections (Leader, 2nd Voice, 3rd Voice, All).  These changes happen mid-piece, sometimes more than once, and I do not know if this can even be done.  But indicating the change of &quot;voice&quot; to the listener by invoking a different instrumental sound would be useful to do.  If this can be done, I would also need information about what options exist.  if it cannot be done, that's fine. '''But:''' even if it can be done, I'd like to know what timbre/instrument options exist '''before''' you go to the trouble.  There may not be meaningful or sonorous options, in which case, it would not be worth the trouble.

I have finished all but the last two pages of score, but expect to have that done either today or tomorrow.  The first three Choruses are fully transcribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

:I'm away from my usual haunts at present, so will need to delay looking at this properly for another few days, but on a quick glance, it looks easily solvable. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 02:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

::Gentle nudge as reminder, since it looks as though you are back.  These scores are the only parts holding up the completion of this work, newly in the public domain. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:46, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Scores sorted. Pagination has to be played with to make transclusion practicable. I've done the simultaneous text as a second lyric line. I've never needed to change the sound part way through a piece. The only way I can think of doing it in Lilypond is to use voices on the same staff, which then has flow on effects making lyrics awkward to deal with. The available sounds are the standard general MIDI ones as listed [http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/midi-instruments here]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 04:06, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks.  I've completed the work, but could not figure out the syntax for specifying a sound from the MIDI listings.  I looked at other examples of scores on Wikisource that do this, but they are all multi-voice and so the syntax could not simply be copied. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

:Use \set Staff.midiInstrument = &quot;cello&quot; (for example) in the initial set of commands where the clef, time-signature, &amp;c. are set. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 23:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

:: FYI, I created {{tl|elsewhere score}} for a more visible notice in the Page namespace. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:37, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==Is there any Wikisource Typeface that can match this font?==
Just wondering if there is any typeface that can match &quot;His Highness the Rajah of Sarawak&quot; on this page [[Page:A SEA Dyak Dictionary in alphabetical parts, with examples and quotations shewing the use and meaning of words.pdf/3]]. Regards. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 10:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

:I use the blackletter template {{tl|bl}} for this. I've had a go at the page for you to have a look at the way I approach Title pages. I couldn't get the {{tl|justify}} template to behave for me, so haven't replicated that. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== did n't, could n't ==

I 've been looking into some past discussions and precedents on this discrepancy, and I could only find [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2020-07#Styling_of_contractions|one discussion from 2020]] about how to deal with this spacing convention. It seems like most people do n't like replicating this with a physical space character, and say that we probably should n't leave them like this because they did n't have semantic meaning.

Despite the clear views of [[User:Xover|Xover]] and Inductiveload against using a space, there doesn't seem to be any official policy or even guideline around this. And that discussion was no attempt at making such a policy. Maybe there should be one, though. I'm no expert in typesetting, but I don't like the spaces. I'd rather stay on the side of consistency and not respect that spacing convention, which is why I didn't. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
: Also was [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Pratt_portraits_-_sketched_in_a_New_England_suburb_(IA_prattportraitssk00full).pdf/31&amp;curid=4306280&amp;diff=13796005&amp;oldid=13471132 this really not a typo]? It looks glaringly like a mistake every time I see this in a text. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Their use can vary by work.  In many prose works, collapsing the space has no effect on the text, and is fine.  But in some works with dialogue, the space is intentional and required.  I can think of two such categories where it should be preserved: (1) The spacing is used to present a dialectical form of English.  Such situations can be spotted where some character's dialogue includes the spaces, but other character's dialogue does not, or where lots of additional contractions appear, and it is clear that the additional apostrophes and additional spacing is intentional. (2) Poetical works where replacing text like '''{{'}}t was''' with '''{{'}}twas''' would change the rhythm of the lines.  The former is a two-syllable, two-word foot with stress on the second word; but the latter is a single stressed syllable.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tqi|&quot;… ’t was …&quot;}} and {{tqi|&quot;… ’twas …&quot;}} is probably mostly going to be deliberate, I think, and in something supposed to be speech-y (i.e. a character's speech, in play or prose, or in poetry) needs to be preserved. But {{tqi|&quot;… did n’t …&quot;}} and {{tqi|&quot;… could n’t …&quot;}} and similar are mostly going to be an artefact of printing that can be silently corrected. But the bottom line is that it's going to require judgement in each case, and possibly also discussions with other contributors if you're lucky enough that someone else is interested enough in the text to want to help out. I don't think this can have a bright-line policy beyond {{tqi|&quot;… must be assessed case by case …&quot;}}, nor even rules of thumb for specific variants. Maybe a discussion in the style guide somewhere to help people with the assessment could work though. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
::No, that doesn't look like a typo; and in any case, {{tl|SIC}} should generally not be used for missing punctuation like this. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

===Hyphenation inconsistency===
[[Page:Pratt portraits - sketched in a New England suburb (IA prattportraitssk00full).pdf/30|30]] has an inconsistent hyphenation with [[Page:Pratt portraits - sketched in a New England suburb (IA prattportraitssk00full).pdf/240|240]] for the word &quot;gunshot&quot;. People processing a full text in bulk may notice this as an error, which is why Gutenberg silently corrects these, so that's why I've been marking these as inconsistent on ''all'' texts I've done, no matter how far apart the inconsistencies were from one another. It's one of the ways I have been trying to catch up with Gutenberg's technology in my own work. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 09:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:&lt;p&gt;We don't &quot;silently correct&quot; text by policy. And some of PG's policies are just weird. This particular book is a collection of short stories that Fuller published in various places over several years—along with some stories published for the first time. I expect some variation in orthography as a result. Arcane templates are usually removed by me on sight. This particular one has two negatives for me: a) annotation of the text; b) a tool tip. If I find an egregious typo, I mark it with {{tl|sic}} and almost never use {{tl|SIC}}. I leave a few of the latter in when others have used them, but it has to be a major problem.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With respect to the spacing, the period of publication was when n't contractions were moving out of dialect and into common speech. Publishers were attempting to appease purists and modernists at the same time. In this particular text I see it as representing the speech pattern of Old Lady Pratt, whereas the grandchildren are more likely to elide the two in their speech pattern.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;By the way, the reason I'm even looking at this book is that I've just initiated a project over on LibriVox to record a spoken word version. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/p&gt;
:: Well, hey, by the way, I don't mean to come off as negative with you—thank you for taking the time to validate this, and to provide a free audiobook no less! That's a huge effort, and I hope it goes well for you. Feel free to link the audiobook files when you're done. I'll also fix the transclusion soon, to reflect it being a short story collection (due to my previous error to do this).
:: I did a few other works by [[Author:Anna Fuller|Anna Fuller]] by the way, but I stopped with her when I discovered that one of them repeated vignettes from other works, and within themselves. The coding logic of it therefore got complicated for me. I believe the work in question was ''One of the Pilgrims''.
:: Let's agree to disagree on {{tl|hinc}} for now. I thought it necessary to mark it, in fact I thought of it as an added spice of technical artistry, something most editors wouldn't do, but that I have the means to. Every time there are hyphenation inconsistencies in a work I do, I get a list of them that the processing program I use automatically finds, and that I check up on manually. One reason I do this is because it's also the source of a common Wikisource proofreading typo as well, where a word is supposed to be hyphenated, but the OCR doesn't fix this because &quot;–&quot; is at the end of a line so not treated like a real hyphen. So, another reason I mark the real ones with {{tl|hinc}} is to remind me (and potentially other editors) that the inconsistency is legitimate, and that it's not due to an incorrect insertion or deletion of a hyphen by OCR proofreading.
:: Another rationale is that in print, it was nearly impossible for typists and editors to catch all these variations, in any book. After all, there was no Find and Replace. But, since we have digital processing tools, it's not only possible but can be easy for us today. So I would almost consider the inconsistencies under the purview of &quot;technical limitations of print&quot;, and not legitimate use of a variation, but it's impossible to prove its legitimacy, so I just wanted to mark it as &quot;inconsistent&quot; rather than as a typo. I always think to myself, &quot;gee, they must have fired their intern and went with somebody else,&quot; every time for example the word &quot;Phœbe&quot; is changed to &quot;Phoebe&quot; after Chapter 6 in a novel (and that I would ''unambiguously'' consider a typo).
:: I thought marking it would be nice, but I didn't expect people would find it intrusive. One UX compromise might be for a tooltip not to be displayed in certain instances, such as when the inconsistencies appear hundreds of pages apart, but accept the tooltip version if they appear in the same chapter or section or especially page. The idea is that it could be marked just so people, or programs, know it's there. Although in this instance, it's fair to say that, since Fuller's work is a short story collection with subworks taken from various sources, this might be a grey area.
:: Anyway, thanks for considering what I had to say about it, and good luck. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:23, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
:::&lt;p&gt;I don't see your responses as negative, rather you're doing what I do when I see that someone is validating my texts. &quot;Is there anything that they're finding that I can take on board to improve my proofreading?&quot; Or, for you, the algorithms. (And I agree that I would probably keep Phœbe consistent.) One of my ongoing contributions here is the Stratemeyer Syndicate books. Their methods of writing, editing, and publishing were &quot;conveyor belt&quot;, which resulted in some pretty bad production values on some of the books—even the more popular ones. But, then, their general target audience of 8 to 14 y.o. wasn't particularly discriminating. As a result I end up having to make these sorts of calls regularly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Because of this experience I also think about who the likely reader is for our texts. If it's a technical work like [[Manual of the New Zealand Flora]], then I'm focused much more on authorial intent and would be more inclined to allow for editing inconsistencies. But if it's a bit of &quot;read once&quot; light fiction, it's not worth worrying too much about.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;w.r.t. the tooltips, my e-reader underlines the text at that point but doesn't indicate why, so for me emphasis is added and I have to decide what it means. This interrupts my reading flow, which is either frustrating or just annoying depending on my mood. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 00:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/p&gt;
:::: Ah, interesting! I have yet to see some particularly egregious typographical laziness in early 20th century work—I thought that was exclusive to the latter half of the century and beyond. Lol. Well, anyway, I'll try and think of a less intrusive solution to this, and I'll let you know if I have any ideas. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 01:03, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|SnowyCinema}} I've found typographical laziness in early works by female authors.  For example, the first edition of ''Ethan Frome'' was well-edited up to about the halfway point, and after that it's full of editorial laziness. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: Did you know that we know who the compositors were for the 1623 First Folio of Shakespeare? We know because the people involved had idiosyncrasies like those discussed here, so we can identify where those occur and assign the plays to a compositor (often down to the individual page). In fact, there are multiple people who have made their careers and academic reputation on just such studies, and there are entire massive monographs published on the topic. That they fired their intern after chapter 6 is actually significant information.{{pbr}}That being said, I agree with Beeswaxcandle: how seriously (strictly) to take this depends somewhat on the text. For one-penny pulps the leeway for laziness (pick a style, stick to it) is much greater (counter-example: Lovecraft), getting increasingly strict on a scale that terminates at scholarly monographs and transcriptions of the actual First Folio. But when we're at the First Folio, the Folger maintains a catalogue of surviving copies with enough detail to distinguish individual copies (in one case they identified the multiple sources for a Frankenstein copy) based on both physical characteristics (stains etc.) and quirks of the changing compositors.{{pbr}}PS. {{tl|SIC}} has always been slightly controversial as an annotation, and several editors insist on using {{tl|sic}} instead for all typos. I personally think we should consolidate the two and explicitly allow {{tl|SIC}} as a ''permissible'' annotation, but, in any case, any new template mimicking {{tl|SIC}} (vs. {{tl|sic}}) has the policy presumption against it. I am not at all sure I would support visually tagging inconsistent hyphenation (or any other mere inconsistency) as a sufficient reason for such annotation. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Xover}} Gee, we really consider that ''annotation''? I never thought a tooltip would count as an annotation, since it can't be seen unless you hover over it, and doesn't get included in the copy-paste text. But the fact that you can't see it on mobile devices when you hover over it &lt;s&gt;makes me hate smartphones even more&lt;/s&gt; is unfortunate and I agree that that's really annoying...
:::: My personal philosophy on SIC is to use it when they have a typo that's either 1. unambiguously recognizable as a typo (even in the context of their own time period, eliminating the form simply from being obsolete or archaic), or 2. if it's a typo, ''and'' inconsistent with other parts of the text using the same word. Which is where hyphenation inconsistencies come in. Since, I think inconsistencies are more recognizable to me as erroneous, especially if it occurs on the same chapter or page. I admit it might seem a lot more like fussing over nooks and crannies if we're talking about the inconsistencies being hundreds of pages and ten chapters apart from one another (but I still think they should be ''somehow'' noted in any case, at least for editors who might try to change them). But if they're on the same page or in the same chapter, this is something that people would immediately notice if they had any kind of eye for detail while reading, so I think at least this should be noted. If you have 5 &quot;gunshots&quot; and 1 &quot;gun-shot&quot; on a single page (which I've actually seen happen before), then the 1 &quot;gun-shot&quot; was clearly wrong anyway.
:::: I think our technology to mark typos is a beautiful thing personally, and perhaps to your surprise, I'd even go far as to say it's one of my favorite parts of the project. (I'm the type of person who loves intricate detail, that's probably why.) Because it's just one more thing that sets us apart from other projects like Gutenberg, and it gives readers one more bit of contextual understanding. So I would be against removing our technology for marking inconsistencies and typos, since without them it'd be harder to actually get this understanding. And it (to me) seems very unintrusive, because instead of removing the typo outright, we opt to remain true to the original text while leaving in a note that doesn't actually alter the text in any way (which is why I am skeptical to the degree of &quot;annotation&quot; that it is). And since what can and can't be considered a typo is I'm sure the subject of many a heated debate even among scholars, it's easier to remove the typo ''marking template'', which just notes a typo, than to remove a typo ''correction'', which is harder for a proofreader to spot in the first place.
:::: Maybe a solution for the &quot;mobile devices&quot; problem is to disable the tooltip specifically in exports and on mobile views, since they don't really work right in those cases. And all you see is a bit of underlining. That should be possible to do with CSS/Lua...I think. (Or maybe we can just complain to Apple, Amazon, and Google. I'm sure ''they'd'' listen to us.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 11:53, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{comment}} The other idea I had for noting these &quot;inconsistencies&quot; and typoes is with a template that's placed on the page but not necessarily visible outside the wikitext editor. But, we can make a module for the Header template and/or Index that includes a collapsible &quot;Errata&quot; template that lists all the typos (hey, and it's also kind of an homage to the old texts we love so much, since they also used to do this). It's apparently harder and more resource-intensive to get Lua to actually go and read wiki pages than it is to collect data from Wikidata, but still ''technically'' possible. So it's not the solution I'd prefer over just tooltipping them, although it'd be pretty cool if it could actually be done. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 12:12, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== I made a new index ==

Thank you again for the welcome. I was encouraged by it, and I made a new index for [[Index:The Giant Horse of Oz (1928).pdf|The Giant Horse of Oz]]. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== Tristan und Isolde ==

I am strongly considering [https://archive.org/details/tristanisoldeope00wagn Tristan und Isolde] as a project in the next couple of months, but this is one work where the music (no it's not the full score) would add tremendously to the value of the work if it were also done, both because of the &quot;Tristan chord&quot; and the turning point this opera was to the history of Western Music.  Are the music pages at the end of this particular edition be something you'd be willing to tackle, if I did set this up?  It's definitely beyond my limited skill. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, they look to be something I can do in terms of type-setting. There's nothing too complex in it as it's a straightforward piano score. I think the only thing I've not done before is the ''Ossia'' at the bottom of the second page. The sound version would requires a different treatment because of the repeated ''stringendo'' instructions. From the ''Adagio'' part way through the first page through to the end, there is a gradual step-wise acceleration. This means that the sound file will need to be generated off-site, uploaded to Commons as a separate file and then linked—rather than using the automatic play file associated with the score. Let me know when you've uploaded the Index: and I'll slot it into my WS schedule. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 06:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:: I can set up the Index today or tomorrow.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

* [[Index:Tristan und Isolde (Met Opera).djvu]], with the music on pages 37 to 40. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 06:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

== Contributors to Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute ==

Work has been completed by myslef and another editor (Wainuiomartian) on finding the full first name of authors the Contributors to Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute The vast majority have been completed but we would like help with two questions:

'''[[Author:H. M. Christie|H. M. Christie is]] Henry Maynard Christie.''' However the article is actually authored by his wife Cordelia Christie as evidenced in the printed version (See Author  Discussion). Our question is how to record the author correctly

'''H P Macklin''' This is Hubert Patrick Macklin and has been expanded. But this was an alias of his real name, Patrick McGlynn - is there a way (or a need?) to add the alias?

Thanks for your help!

&lt;nowiki&gt;~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; [[User:Noracrentiss|Noracrentiss]] ([[User talk:Noracrentiss|talk]]) 22:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

:I noticed you both doing these and I very much appreciate the work you've put into it.
:I've moved H. M. Christie to [[Author:Cordelia Christie]] and left the redirect active. The WD item should be linked to the new place.
:Macklin is not as straightforward. Did he author anything under McGlynn? If he did, then that needs to be the page with redirects from the alias. However, if he only wrote under Macklin, then the page can stay there with a note (in the header field) stating his real name and create a redirect from that name. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

== binder's mark ==

It is not clear to me that the &quot;binder's mark—these are not relevant to a digital version&quot; is a sufficient or agreed upon reason for this number to be removed. There are other pages e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_story_of_the_flute_(IA_storyofflute1914fitz).djvu/105 which indeed include the number. As far as I can tell, faithful recreations of the texts are more important than the consideration of whether it is a &quot;digital version&quot; and nowhere I can see has this declaration been made clear anywhere in this specific text. [[User:Shootmanng|Shootmanng]] ([[User talk:Shootmanng|talk]]) 17:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:Nothing placed in the footer in the Page: namespace is taken through into the transclusion in the Mainspace, which is where the digital version of the text sits. A binder's mark is not a part of the text, rather it is an artefact of the publishing on paper process. Thus as a house style it was decided many years ago that we wouldn't reproduce binder's marks and I remove them on sight. The fact that they are turning up in various works here is indicative that we haven't written the Help pages usefully. I'll get onto that now. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:13, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::Understood, thanks for taking the time to reply. [[User:Shootmanng|Shootmanng]] ([[User talk:Shootmanng|talk]]) 18:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::: There are a very few (extremely rare) circumstances where I have transcribed binding marks with informational value.  True, they do not get transcluded into Mainspace, but in one series I've worked on, the binder's mark on page 1 was the ''only'' place in the books that the individual volume number in the series appeared.  In that situation, it carries significant information we otherwise would not have, and a pointer to the Page namespace can be used to verify the volume number. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Sure, but as it's extremely rare, I think it's best dealt with as an exception to the convention. I've put a section into [[Help:Formatting conventions]] (rather than the Style Guide). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
::::: Indeed, it's rare enough that I don't object at all to what you've done.  But as you indicated you &quot;remove them on sight&quot;, I wanted to be sure you were aware of the rare instances where they are meaningful. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

== Just to be clear ==

Are the tables on [[Wikisource:Administrators/Archives]] keyed to the next expiration of confirmation dates? I am guessing that's why they go into 2025. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, 1 year into the future. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
:: That makes sense, thanks. [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:lightgreen;color:inherit;&quot;&gt;''BD2412''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

== Adventures of Kimble Bent.djvu ==

There are a number of pages appearing in the orphaned pages list, including [[Page:Adventures of Kimble Bent.djvu/1]]. I haven't got to grips with how the indexes work, so I don't know what needs doing. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 05:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

:I'm not sure why these pages have flagged when they are patently linked to the related Index. It's not as if I normally transclude such pages to the mainspace. I suggest waiting to see what happens in the next refresh. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
::Odd - when I last looked, that page I linked was showing as not linked from anything. Some quirk of the system, I suppose. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

== 2013 update ==

Hello! In 2013 you put a header on a short story. I went ahead and added the pdf of said short story. I linked it in the [[Talk:Weird Tales/Volume 12/Issue 3/The Ninth Skeleton|discussion page]] for the file, but it is also at [[:File:The Ninth Skeleton (1928).pdf]] if needed. Would you be able to help teach me how to best notate on the page? I'm unsure of how to and would like to learn. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 23:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

== Question from a new editor ==

Hey Beeswaxcandle! So I noticed you added a standardized template to [[NWS Wichita Area Forecast Discussion on April 24, 2024]]. If I may ask, could you let me know what an issue with it is? I’m fairly new to Wikisource, so knowing what is wrong on that article can help me not repeat the mistake going forward. Cheers! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 05:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

:Every line seems to begin with a space, which is what's forcing that blue box around the text and making the text monospaced. Take those out. Then get rid of the end of line breaks within paragraphs. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
::Done! Could you recheck the text to see if it was done correctly? Just to note, the original text came in that weird spaced format, where a paragraph took up 13-ish lines instead of 4 like it does now. If I got the spacing issue solved, going forward, I will go ahead and break-up the original U.S. government format to make it Wikisource format instead. But if there is something else wrong, please let me know! [[User:WeatherWriter|WeatherWriter]] ([[User talk:WeatherWriter|talk]]) 14:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

== Starting Christchurch Wikisource project ==

As part of work with Christchurch Libraries, I've created a list of some relevant works for Wikisource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/AoWPAL_2024/Library
This will eventually be mreged with the West Coast project but should stay under Wikipedian at Large for now. I'm a bit rusty, and have just uploaded the first book but immediately got an Invalid Interval error on the Index page. Could you possibly take a look and see what obvious mistake I might have made? https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Reminiscences_of_Earliest_Canterbury_1915.pdf [[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 08:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is happening a bit lately. There appears to be some flakiness in the links between Commons and us when first setting up some files. Others are reporting that it seems to settle after a few hours. I've tried my usual double hard purging of the caches, but still showing for the moment. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 10:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

::Ah thank you. I'll not worry then and check back the next day before I point people to new uploads. —[[User:Giantflightlessbirds|Giantflightlessbirds]] ([[User talk:Giantflightlessbirds|talk]]) 22:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

== Book title ==

Hi, and thanks again for your kind welcome!  I'm having a little trouble finding what I'm looking for in the help pages.  I found the book I wanted to transcribe for Wikisource already existed on Wikimedia Commons, and used that.  The proofreading and formatting is nearly done (just some validation left), but over the last couple of weeks, as I've become better acquainted with Wikisource, I've become increasingly convinced that the title of the file, and consequently the index page and all of the individual pages, are less than ideal.  The book is called ''Base-Ball Ballads'', and there don't seem to be any other works by this title, or any files on Commons besides the book, and the illustrations from it that I recently uploaded.  So ideally, that would be the title on Wikisource—I think.  But instead, the title is &quot;Base-ball ballads (IA baseballballads00rice)&quot;.

So my questions are: can I change the title to just &quot;Base-Ball Ballads&quot; (with proper capitalization, and without &quot;(IA baseballballads00rice)&quot;)?  If so, should I move the file on Commons, then come to Wikisource and move the index page, and all of the individual pages separately?  Or is there a shortcut for doing this?  What will I break if I attempt to do this?  I assume that in future, it would be better to move the source text before adding it to Wikisource—but being new to Wikisource, I wasn't sure I should do that, or what typical naming conventions here were.  I just wanted to get started on something, since the process was so different than editing articles on Wikipedia, and I thought I would absorb the material better by learning as I went.  I didn't even realize that the text was already available until I was trying to figure out how to import it from Internet Archive.  I apologize if this is all too complicated to expect an answer for, but thanks in advance for any advice you can give me!  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 20:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry for delay in replying—RL is getting in the way a lot at present. The title in the Mainspace here should be &quot;Base-ball Ballads&quot;. The Index and the pages are the back-end and the title there is not important. We've got Indexes with much more arcane names, but they come through to the Mainspace with sensible titles. The links from the Mainspace to the Index: and Page: namespaces will behave once the transclusion is done. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, okay!  Then I just need to wait for the rest of the pages to be validated before moving to mainspace.  Well, there might be another issue, but I think I know how to deal with it—I just need someone to tell me if I understand the situation correctly, and I don't want to keep posting on the Scriptorium ATM, as I feel like I'm becoming a bit of a nuisance not understanding how to do things right!
::As I was transcribing the book, I saw a lot of archaic slang—words no longer in widespread use, or used with meanings that readers probably wouldn't expect, as well as lots of allusions to 19th and early 20th century ballplayers who (unlike Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, or Christy Mathewson, also mentioned numerous times) are no longer familiar even to many fans of baseball history.  I looked for guidance on annotating these things, and after some searching found the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{user annotation}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; template and documentation, and using that provided annotations in the footer, all marked as user annotations.  However, when I asked about illustrations (for another project) at the Scriptorium, I was linked to a policy page that appears to say that no annotations should be added to a work until an unannotated version has been published, and then only as a separate annotated version.
::Confusing matters more, one guideline appears to say that annotations in the ''header'' don't count—I assume that this means &quot;header or footer&quot;, as I can't recall ever seeing annotations in a header, while elsewhere in the help topics &quot;header&quot; is used to mean &quot;header and footer&quot;—while another page seems to say that annotations are acceptable on Wikisource, without mentioning separate editions, and somewhere I found guidance saying that terms could be linked, e.g. to Wiktionary (although in this case, the slang terms often lack the correct definitions there).  I had been linking the names of the ballplayers to their articles in Wikipedia, with brief descriptions of them or why they were mentioned in the poems, in the footer annotations.
::Just when I was about to start deleting the annotations I'd spent a lot of time on—actually as much time as typing the original text of the poems—on the theory that I could retrieve them from the page history for a separate annotated edition later, I realized that the guidance about annotations on different policy pages and help topics was contradictory and confusing, and it would be better to make sure I needed to delete them before doing so.  Can you offer any advice concerning the different guidelines—if indeed they are contradictory—and what I should do with the annotations that I made?  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 13:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
:::There's no need to wait for complete validation before transcluding sections/chapters or a work. Most of my work here is yet to be validated.{{pbr}}With respect to the annotations, you can do them—provided there is an unannotated copy in the Mainspace and that the annotated version is clearly marked as such. The guideline on annotations in the header is about the notes field in the header template that is on every Mainspace page.{{pbr}}For the links to to Wikipedia, these are acceptable provided that they are not interpretative. If the people mentioned have authored anything, then the link should be to their Author: page rather than to Wikipedia—even if we don't host what they've written. The best template to use is {{tl|wdl}}, that way the link degrades gracefully through the possibilities. For Wiktionary, the policy is &quot;occasional links&quot; … &quot;for obscure words&quot;.{{pbr}}What to do with your extensive footnotes? Unfortunately, they'll need to come out for the Mainspace transclusion. However, I would create a user subpage and save them there. That way they're easily retrieved for an annotated version. Alternatively, add the information to their Wikipedia pages that you're linking to. Hope all this helps. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, when you say &quot;save them to a user subpage&quot;, do you mean ''in situ'', as a duplicate of the proofread pages or the whole index (that would seem like the easiest way, though I'm not sure how to do that—creating subpages is easy enough, but I don't know ''whether'' it's possible to duplicate the whole index/set of pages) or do you mean cutting and pasting just the annotations, one-by-one, which would be a much more laborious process?  Certainly doable, but even so, then I will have to research how to create a second index page for the annotated version—and that brings me back to the first question, because if that can be done, then it should be possible to duplicate the index as it currently stands (even if moved to a user subpage), then scrub the annotations from the first version to transclude into mainspace.  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 17:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure how the annotated versions of other works were done, so I'll turn to {{ping|Xover}} to see if they can help. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 20:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::I decided to bite the bullet, and made a sandbox to store the annotations, then moved them from the text to my sandbox.  Restoring them one-by-one to make an annotated text will be annoying, but probably not that hard, and shouldn't take more than a day or two.  Once I know what I'm doing, that is!  [[User:P Aculeius|P Aculeius]] ([[User talk:P Aculeius|talk]]) 13:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::Annotated versions are technically permitted but I strongly recommend against creating one. The fundamental reason is that we do not have tools that support annotated texts within our policy framework (given the restrictions we should have flat out prohibited them instead IMO), which means almost any attempt at one will be problematic in some way. As best I can tell we haven't created any new annotated texts in almost a decade for this reason (some non-policy-compliant texts have popped up but that's through lack of enforcement).{{pbr}}For anyone wanting to pursue annotations it will involve various forms of selective transclusion: tagging things in the Page: namespace such that it can be selectively transcluded into the annotated text's mainspace page without being visible in the main transcluded text. I think there are a couple of different templates for this sitting around, but all examples of their use were pretty terrible so I don't want to recommend them. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Fostered content. ==

Thanks for the reverts, but you seem to have hit a 'glitch', possibly in the linter, in that the pages you reverted are showing up as having fostered content, which was why the headers been moved into the main body.  If you have a more stable way of solving the reported 'fostered content' please explain it to me, so I don't have to waste my time, fixing tiems that according to your reasoning were 'pointless' or not broken. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 08:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

:I haven't a clue what you mean by &quot;fostered content&quot; or for that matter &quot;linter&quot;. The pages in question were transcluding correctly and efficiently into the Mainspace before your edits and therefore fiddling with them is pointless. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::The &quot;linter&quot; is a technical check built into MediaWiki that checks for various issues that ''may'' cause problems and which merits closer scrutiny by a human being. The checks are highly technical, and have been roundly criticised as being of rather poor utility. You can see the functionality in action on [[Special:LintErrors]]. Nothing flagged by the linter should be assumed to be something that must be &quot;fixed&quot;, and certainly not urgently. It should, however, be checked by a human at some point and a decision made on whether or not it is something that needs some form of change (typically based on its potential to cause problems in the future). ShakespeareFan keeps running into trouble here because they have a tendency to treat the issues reported by the linter as 1) urgent, and 2) a backlog that should be reduced to 0. Neither of which is true, and so they tend to get rather harshly frustrated pushback from other contributors (not all of it deserved).{{pbr}}&quot;Fostered content&quot; is a concept from the HTML standards, applicable mostly to tables. The most common example is when a table cell is placed ''outside'' a table row. Table cells are ''required'' to be within a table row, so such cells are considered &quot;orphan&quot; elements. So to deal with these the standard specifies a &quot;fostering algorithm&quot; (i.e. make certain assumptions about where the cell was ''intended'' to be), and thus such content is considered &quot;fostered content&quot;. Elements that are fostered can be a problem even if it currently ''looks'' ok, so instances of it should be checked. The problem is that the way we do multi-page transclusions we often have a table cell and other content that spans several wikipages. That is, in the Page: namespace we have HTML ''fragments'' not complete HTML ''pages'', that do not get turned into complete HTML pages until the content is transcluded. This alone causes a lot of false positives. In addition, our use of the header and footer field (and other noinclude-shenanigans), makes this difficult for tools like the linter because only Proofread Page really knows about these tricks. In some scenarios this causes yet more false positives. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 16:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== Retiring the 2006 toolbar ==

Following up on [[Special:PermanentLink/14461010#Legacy_toolbar|User talk:Ineuw#Legacy toolbar]]…

As mentioned, my goal is to be able to retire that Gadget to reduce the amount of code we need to deal with, and that has to be loaded on every page load, etc.

Could you go into more detail about the &quot;screen real-estate&quot; issue? The 2010 toolbar consumes the full width of the editing text box + the scan image. Even if the toolbar isn't there, those two components will still take up the same amount of horizontal space. So horizontally I don't see how it makes any difference. Vertically it does sit above the text box and scan image, while the 2006 toolbar lives (IIRC) inside the text box. The 2010 toolbar also has a lot more functions that will tend to make it taller, especially if its subsections are expanded (the built-in character picker is particularly egregious here). But even considering those two factors it's not really a lot of pixels difference between the two vertically, especially compared to all the other UI elements involved.

The inconsistent position of the charinsert character picker sounds more like a bug, so when I have time I'll look into that and will probably have some questions for you then. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:04, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

== Linter tracked errors,, ==

Hi, the linter was reporting some misnested tags in  [[User talk:Beeswaxcandle/Archive6]]. Whilst these are almost certainly not your fault, their removal helps speed up improvments to the parser as it no longer has to deal with certain edge cases.  Much appreciate if you could consider making appropriate repairs to this and other pages in your User and User talk: spaces. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

:I have considered and discovered that I have no interest whatsoever in doing so. Is the page broken? No. Therefore nothing to be done. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:08, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

== an archived smile ==
I went through my archives (I had to find them first) looking for a link to that google book of renewals.  I did not find that but I did find [[User_talk:RaboKarbakian/Archives/2018#Rapid_validation|this]] which made me smile when I saw it, and then again when you deleted that bad page name for me today (and I got my speedy mixed up with my sdelete, oops).

Today, looking for that rapid validation violation I found &quot;don't indent&quot; and other such gems.  The rapid validation was truly earned and any decree to smarten up (rather than dumb down) I will always be grateful of.  I looked again at your work and was struck, again, by its beauty and HONEST TO GOD, I would have '''''immediately''''' validated it all over again, given the chance.

Honestly, I don't know if that link will make you upset again or not -- it made me smile, so I take the chance.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 02:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

== Delints.. ==

[[:User:Calebjbaker]] 

This had shown up as having empty running headers?  I'm not sure why.  Can you take a look? No changes needed {if at all at this stage.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:There was one of the 18 uses on the page that was empty. I've chucked a space character into it. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== Zyephyrus ==

As you may already know, we [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZyephyrus&amp;diff=14602639&amp;oldid=14546599 have lost] this contributor and admin forever, and so I would like to ask you with great regret if you could perform the sad duty of removing her admin rights. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 17:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

:Sorted. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

== Lints.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Beeswaxcandle/Archive7 -  Unpaired italics.  Can you look over this and other lints with a view to clearing the noise out of the listings? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

== Potm ==

That's very nice of you, but I was barely involved. I don't think I deserve that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:30, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:The awards are for participation. One edit that contributes to improving a text is enough in my book. I haven't done the awards for several years, but thought it was time to bring them back as a way of honouring contributions, both large and small. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:09, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

== What did I do wrong, I wonder? ==

Hi there, I wonder if you could help me decode what Baroque rule I broke, [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:EncycloPetey#Deleted_%22beyond_scope%22_please_explain here]? Cheers, [[User:Jonathanischoice|Jonathanischoice]] ([[User talk:Jonathanischoice|talk]]) 23:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

== Beethoven score snippet ==

It looks as though [[Page:Rolland - Beethoven, tr. Hull, 1927.pdf/143|this page]] is almost proofread, but the top piece of music is displaying the key signature and time signature on top of each other in the treble clef line.  Can you determine how to correct this issue? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed. If an ornament starts a voice, then all other voices need to start with the ornament as well. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 09:14, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

== Odes of Pindar ==

If you're looking for a LibriVox poetry need, I heartily suggest one of the translations of the [[Portal:Odes of Pindar|Odes of Pindar]].  LibriVox does not seem to have an author page for this Greek poet.

I have already transcribed two translations here on Wikisource, those by by Myers and by Wheelwright, and I plan to transcribe the translations by Paley and by Way.  If you're amenable, then I suggest looking at all four sets of translations and choosing the one set which you think reads aloud the best.  If it is Myers' or Wheelwright's, I can simply attach the recordings to our existing copies.  If you choose Paley's or Way's, then I shall transcribe that edition and attach the audio.

I also strongly recommend comparing against the [[Portal:Odes of Pindar|Portal]] list of Isthmian Odes before you publish.  The numbering scheme for that group is inconsistent between different translators and editions, and there is still controversy today over the numbering.

* Myers {{ssl|Odes of Pindar (Myers).djvu}}
* Paley {{ssl|Odes of Pindar (Paley).djvu}}
* Way{{ssl|Pindar in English Verse (Way 1922).djvu}}
* Wheelwright {{ssl|Pindar and Anacreon.djvu}} {{smaller|(hybrid volume containing both Pindar's Odes as well as anonymous poetry in the style of Anacreon from a much later period)}}
--[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== &quot;Not Understood&quot; ==

Thanks for putting this on LibriVox. But ch23 (&quot;New Zealand Hymn&quot;) is missing.

Also, I was thinking of proofing the 1906 ''New Zealand Verse'' {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/newzealandverse00alexuoft/page/vi/mode/2up}}, but there's a couple of the [[User:IdiotSavant/NZ Poets|poets in it]] I haven't got death dates for, and so can't verify its PD in NZ: Amy Fowles and Mary H. Poynter (b 1873, so ''probably'' died before 1974, but I can't prove it). [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:14, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I know I recorded section 23 (I did it on Waitangi Day). I'll talk to the MC for the project and see what can be done.
:There's a Mary H. Poynter dec'd in Gisborne 15/5/1954 at 75 y.o. (https://cemeterysearch.gdc.govt.nz/detail/ORMOND-353).
:Amy Fowles had a poem published in 1903, which pushes her safely outside the 120 years from publication measure. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 08:46, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
::Its fixed now. Huzzah!
::Mary Poynter is Mary Harriet. I've down some more research and she [https://www.winters-online.net/MerH/g1/p12.htm died in 1956]. Fowles was [https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19051018.2.338 still writing in 1905], but there's no mention of them afterwards. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 01:16, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, I just checked and came to let you know. I'll advise WANZ at the next online meeting of both the book and the recording. Well done on tracking down MHP. I think you're safe to proofread the book. Let me know when it's done and I'll add it to my list for recording. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 05:37, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
::::I'll set it up when I'm done with [[Index:The Story of a New Zealand River (1920).djvu]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 03:18, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I can't work on it yet, but setup is done: [[Index:A New Zealand verse (1906).pdf]] [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 09:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::Sounds good. I don't have the space to assist at present (and tend to avoid curly quote works anyway). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 17:40, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

== Request ==

Hello, I saw what you said when you reverted my edit to User talk:AmandaNP, but can you please do me a favor and post that message of mine to [[m:User talk:AmandaNP]] for me?&lt;br&gt;I'm asking you because I cannot talk to her on Meta, since she does not have an IP subpage there (as she does with English Wikipedia). I am sure she '''will''' see any message posted to her Meta talk page. [[Special:Contributions/158.106.52.10|158.106.52.10]] 17:44, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also, the reason I posted that message to [[User talk:AmandaNP]] was because I couldn't post it on her English Wikipedia IP subpage (some bonehead got my shared IP blocked from English Wikipedia several months ago) or even to her Commons talkpage. [[Special:Contributions/158.106.52.10|158.106.52.10]] 19:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

== Hesperian and activity ==

If I'm reading the definition at [[WS:AP#Inactivity]] right, Hesperian is inactive: last edit in 07/2024, 10 months ago, and exactly 2 edits in the last year. Am I reading something wrong? If I'm not, then their reconfirmation discussion should say inactive. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

:I didn't check, just thought that I remembered seeing edits. I'll amend the header. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 18:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Participation awards ==

First of all, thank you for giving them out in the first place. They're a great incentive to work on the PotMs. I'd like to ask: do you automate the insertion of the participation awards somehow or is it all manual? I ask because I've been [[WS:CSD#G7|G7'ing]] most of my userpages on Wikimedia sites in favor of [[meta:User:Theki|my Meta userpage]], but I haven't done this to my Wikisource userpage out of concern for the insertion of these awards.

Seeing as this is all being done by you, would it be best for me to keep my Wikisource page up to make things easier? Or could I get away with having them inserted on my talk page instead; or better yet, on my Meta userpage (I can give details if needed)? I don't want to make things too difficult to you, nor do I want to conflict with anything already in place, so please let me know what would be more convenient for you. &amp;mdash; [[User:Theki|rae&lt;sup&gt;5e&lt;/sup&gt;]] &amp;lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&amp;gt; 16:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's all manual. I don't touch the Meta userpages and put the awards on User Talk: if the wikisourceror has a Meta page. A couple of people have created a User: subpage for their awards. As long as I know about that, then I can slip them in there.
:Thank you for the acknowledgement. There's been a gap of a few years in making the awards, but I thought it would be good to get them going again. I need to get the April awards sorted, but RL has been consuming time in the past week. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 21:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

== Contributions to New Zealand Botany ==

Hi, I've added [[Index:Contributions to New Zealand Botany.pdf|Contributions to New Zealand Botany]], but I seem to have made an error to do with invalid intervals and pagelists. Do you know how I could fix this? --[[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 21:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sorted. The file needed to be purged in Commons. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, I see, thanks! How do you do that? (is it the 'purge' button on WikiSource?) [[User:Prosperosity|Prosperosity]] ([[User talk:Prosperosity|talk]]) 23:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::The black circular arrow top right on the Index: page. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 03:20, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
: (A bit more context on this error: it's not your fault; it's just something the software does to about every uploaded pdf or djvu since march 2024. IIRC it's related to how the servers handle file caching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:27, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

== Index:Cream of Tannahill's songs (1).pdf ==

Hi, I see that you have been adding validation dates to multiple National Library of Scotland chapbooks, which is great because they are then officially finished. However, in this case you did this before the work had been transcluded, which seems a little premature. I'm surprised that the software allows a date to be added while a work isn't transcluded. I have now transcluded this particular work. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 16:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
: (If you'll excuse the intrusion.) Well, it's the validation date, as in {{page status text|validated}} (proofreadpage-quality4). If all pages of a work are validated, it's validated, regardless of its transclusions. I suppose the part that can be ambiguous is the &quot;Done&quot; part. Perhaps it should say &quot;''Transcription'' done&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:26, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
::Since I hope we can agree that for a work to be finished, it needs to have all its pages validated (or without text, or be adverts) and to be fully transcluded (maybe except for advertisements), perhaps the workflow needs some attention? Progress can be set to 'Done' (implying the whole thing is finished) without there being an appropriate transclusion status, and, currently, the only stated date is related to validation only, rather than to when a work is fully complete. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 11:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I think it's about the {{tqi|and to be fully transcluded}} that we disagree on. As far as proofreading status is concerned, it's &quot;done&quot; when everything is validated; there is a separate status for transclusion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:My plan is staged. 1) Getting all the Indexes back into their correct categories. 2) Looking at everything that is in [[:Category:Index validated]] and making sure it has a date of validation on it. 3) Looking at missing transclusions and getting those sorted out. Each of these stages is smaller than the one before, but is reliant on the previous to make sure we're not missing something. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle#top|talk]]) 22:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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Caucalis latifolia, Linn. &quot; Cornfields, near Kn&lt;iiisliavern, Gloncester- 
shire. Introduced.&quot; — T. B. Flower. 

Pici'is hierncioirhs, Linn., var. arcalis. &quot; Sychtyn Lime rocks, Slirop- 
shire.&quot; — Miss E. Jonks. The specimens sent by Miss Jones show that 
P. arvalis, .lord, passes gradually into normal P. Jiieracioides. All Miss 
Jones's specimens are taller, more slender, and with less spreadinj^ branches 
than P. Jiieracioides as it grows on the chalk of the S.E. of England, and 
a few of them have the snbnmbellate inflorescence which marks Jordan's 
])lant ; but in by far the greater number the branches which bear the 
anthodes do not spring mostly from one point. 

Hieracixm pedinicidatimi,, Wallroth. Eaihvay bank, at Liveileith, Edin- 
burgh. ]\Ir. Sadler sends a few specimens of this plant under the name 
of H. stolouijiorum, W. and K. I have not access to Waldstein anil 
Kitaibel's work ;* but it. is certainly not the H. stoloiiijhnim of Fries' 
' Epicrisis.' Of the latter I possess specimens collected at Frankfort-on- 
the-Oder, sent me by the late Herr Buck. Fries quotes ' //. pedun- 
culare,' Wallr., as a variety of //. Pilosella ; but as he quotes the same 
page of the Sched. Crit. (406) as that on which Wallroth gives his //. 
pedunculatum, no doubt Fries means to put //. pcdiincidatuiu as a variety 
of H. Pilosella. Whether it be a variety or subspecies remains to be 
proved by raising the plant from seed. 

Ilieracium dubinvi, Linn. Dr. Roy sends a specimen of a Hieracium 
which was noticed several years ago, by the Eev. James Keith, of Forres, 
on a piece of waste ground near that town. I believe it to be the plant 
formerly named by Fries, H. collinum, but which he now considers to 
be the true H. diibium of Linnaeus. The periclines of the only Forres 
specimen I have seen are smaller, the peduncles longer, and the leaves 
on the stolons less developed than in the ordinary form of the Scan- 
dinavian //. duhiuni ; but Fries states that it is even more protean and 
polymorphous than the very variable tl. prceaUum, which it replaces in 
colder countries. I cannot, therefore, speak with certainty as to the name 
of the Forres plant until I have seen a series of specimens. 

II. Borreri, Syme. Cultivated in Balmuto Garden. The root origi- 
nally from Mr. Borrer, through Mr. H. C. Watson. It is probably the 
//. jierfoUatiim, Frolich, though I have a specimen named ' H. Grenieri, 
Fries,' collected at Freiburg by Dr. Lagger, and sent me last year by 
Dr. Huter, which comes very near it, though it is more hairy, and with 
larger and fewer anthodes. H. Gre)iieri is not described by Fries in his 
' Epicrisis Hieraciorum ;' but he proposes the name for a plant interme- 
diate between H. cydoniifolimn, Vill., and //. prenaiithoides, Vill. Dr. 
Hooker, in the ' Student's Flora,' quotes my //. Borreri as a synonym of 
//. strictum, with which it has no affinity. Probably this is a clerical 
error in the position of the synonym, which ought to have been placed 
under prenanlhoides. 

H. strictum, Fries. Banks of the Devon between the Crook of 
Devon and Rumbling Bridge, Kinross. It occurs very sparingly on rocks 
by the river-side ; and as the plant seems to be very local, I have thought 
it advisable to mention this station, although it has been long known in 

* The plant from the railway bank, at Grant on, Edinburf^'li, colleefed by Mr. 
Sadler, in 186i), certainly agrc-os with Waidstein and Jviluibel's bcuutifid &quot;figure 
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Sec. 3895. All letters, packets, or other matter which may be seized Letters seisedto
or detained for violation of law shall be returned to the owner or sender gnggturn ed t°
of the same, or otherwise disposed of as the Postmaster-General may  
direct. s. 302, C-. 17, ,;;:323;
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3896.Pre tofpostage.   ltt postage.
3897.   matter. 3905. Post;:;-gg offregular printed matter.
3898.   of partly paid and unpaid   gerpain postagitobe paid ciparterly.
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3899. Fraudulent receiptof postage; pen- 3908. Postdge to rlzgcnlggeclealers. papers
alty. 3909. Amdavit of publishers; penalty.
3900. Postage to be paid before delivery. 3910. Postage on transient, &amp;c., matter.
3901. Box—rents to be pre id. 3911. Clothing to soldiers by mail.
3902. Unpaid soldiers’ andmssilors letters. 3912. Postage on foreign mail-matter.
3903. Postage on letters and letter—matter. 3913. Postage on irregular sea-letters.
Sec. 3896. Postage on all mail·matter must be (prepaid by stamps at Prepayment of
the time of mailing, unless herein otherwise provided for. P°¤¤¤8•¤-
8 June, 1872, s. 150, v. 17, p. 302. 3 Mar., 1875, c. 128, ss. 5, 7, r. 18,p. 343.
Sec. 3897. All mail—matter of the third class must be prepaid in full Third-class matin postage-stamps at the office of mailing. ter.
3 Jan., 1873, c. 21, v. 17, p. 407. 3 Mar., 1877, c. 103, a. 5,1-. 19, p. 335.
Sec. 3898. All mail-matter deposited for mailing, on which one full D5Sp0Sa]O;pa,.,_
rate of postage has been paid as required by law, s all be forwarded to ly paid and unpaid
its destination, charged with any portion of the Proper postage ywhich letters.
may be unpaid, to be collected on elivery. But 1f any mail-matter, on g Jung, ]8’f2, (._
which by law the postage is required to be prepaid at the mailing-oflice, 335, ss, 151, 152, v.
shall by inadvertence reach its destination without any dprepayment, 17· P- $02-
double the prepaid rates shall be charged and collected on elivery.
Src. 3899. If any postmaster, or other person authorized by the Post- ln-audulent rema.ster—General to receive the postage of letters, shall fraudulently demand °°'Pt; Ql P¤¤¤g€¢
or receive any rate of postage, or gratuity, or reward, other than is pro- P3} ; _ ._
vided by this section, or the postitigg Hf letters or packets, he shal be 32gbid.. ¤. 296, p.
punishable by a fine of one hundre dollars. ·
S1-zc. 3900. No mail-matter shall be delivered until the postage duc Pggwggmbgpajd
thereon has been paid. before deliveg.
Ibid.,s.153,p.303.
Sec. 3901. No box at any post—office shall be assigned to the use of Bokmugs to bg
anyxperson until the rent thereof has been paid for at least one quarter prepaid.
in vance, for which the postmaster shall give a receipt. Ibid., s. 154.
Sec. 3902. The Postmaster-General may provide hly regulation for Unpaid soldiers'
transmitting unpaid and duly certified letters of sol iers, sailors, and  E*l*’F”·
marines in the service of the United States, to their destination. Ibid., s. 155.
Src. 3903. On all mail-matter which is wholly or partly in writing, Poswge on letexgept book-manuscripts and corrected proof?] passing between alpthlors f:':&quot;;;} l°“&quot; *‘
an publishers and local or drop letters- on a printe matter w IC is _+_
so marked as th convey any other or further information than is conveyed 2gb;}., s. 156. ·
by the original print, except the correction of mere typogmlphical errors; ,03 3 ;Tj·,;';?Q_.,g·
on all matter w ich is sent in violation of law or the reg ations of the ’’’'
Department respecting inclosures; and on all matter to which no sfpecific
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cents for eac half-ounce or fraction thereo .
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at the rate of two cents where the system of free delivery is esta lished, 8 June, 1872, c
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AI’P0 ntiuued. APPBAIBAL OI m°x»Ts—·CODt1Du0d.
original, of persons specially a pointed in extra hours Qc be devoted by officers .. 2944
make soorches, dw-, uruior revenue agsnstant exammcrn at .. 2940
laws, when Bled ..-, ... 3060 of 1mp0rted goods mus where no up-
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of Representatives, table of ... 20 what cuatoms-ofliecrs may lease or hire
for new States . 21 y buildings for Purpose of .,,,.,__,._, 2953
reduced under fourteenth amendment. . . 22 certain merchandipe lmgftéd for immediate
of repr&amp;¤tation in Territories  1847 tnnsportapon, ., not subyect tc, at
rendjustment of  1849 5 port of arrive.], &amp;c ...,. 2991
  OF IIZPORTS, (See also when mtg whom, to be made of property
Agprakcra.) I sei under customs laws .. 3074
power 0 Secretary of Treasury to prescribe . additions made to entered value to be reyggulgtiom, 5;; .,,,_,,,,,,.,...,. 252, 2949 I gardad as fart of actual value and
when collector to appoint merchants to l additional uties thereon .. . 2908
mgko ______,,__,_,_,_,,,__,,.,,_,, 2609 . ap£;a.iser’s ceruicato - . .. 2950
penalty for not usisti at .. 2610 ‘ de ition of words &quot;ton,&quot; &quot;v¤1ue,&quot; and
of merchandise returns? on account of in- &quot; valued,&quot; in relation to ... 2951, 2952
correct invoice .. . .. 2840 by mexfgisnt appraisers, their appoiuunezristég 2973
revisions relatin to .. 2899-2953 . ,
1}:0 delivery of   merchandise with- penalty for net assisting by .. 2610, 2945
out ... 2899 APPBAI 0 4NI00m! ,
how made in addition to entries of imported i for Alabama . 2565
goods ,.,.. 2900 3 qt Baltimore, Md  2549
who to designate imported packages for, · at Boston, Mass., and Charlestown  2529
number, examination, forfeiture, re- clerks, dmc., in office of . 2530
mission . .  2901 i at Charleston, S. C ... . ... 2558
mode of, in estimating value, dec., of im-for Indiana and Illinois .. 2602
ported goods; of manufactures of i for Louisiana  ..-. 2569
wool in an unfinished condition  2902 · for Maine ... 2518
when dixties to be&amp;Evied on market valuegon- §ich¥a.nk  2600
0 im rta, . . .. or ew or .,. 2726
of merchamiige subject to ad valorem duty salaries of ...,. 2129
&amp;c., md of £rL·els not mmufactumei examiners may be appointed to amist . - . 2940
in country, ‘ . 2905 cmcem and employes, how appointed .2538, 2539
in certain cases according to value of goods for Ohio. ..,.,... . . . . 2604
at time of exportation .. 2906 ‘ at Portland, O  2587
what to be added to market value to obtain . at Phimelphgn .,..,.,...,.,,,,,,__,_ 2544
dutiable value . 2907 clerks and em icyés in office of . 2545
in certain cases exceeding 10 per centum of for Rhode Islam;) .,,,,.,,_,_,__,, 2532
invoice value (repealed)  2909 _ at San Francisco, Cal ...,,.,,.,.,. 2583
of different values invoiced at an average a.t,Savammh, Ga ,...,,,,__,,_ 2560
price, &amp;c .. 2910 I for Virginia ,,,._ 2553
of certain imported articles of different qual- for Wisconsin ..,,._,,, , _,.__,,___,_______ 2598
ity in same package  2911 5 at other places ...,,,,...,,,.. 2730
of wool of different qualities in same bale. - 2912 Q at Savannah md Chgrlaton ,,__,_________ 2724
ot kid arid other imported gloves ..   ° merchant, appoinftment, duties, and c0m·
grades 0 Bllgilr .-----·-.. 1 nsauono . 2609, 2610, 2725,2945 2973
sampling of sugar  2915 peuarig {or not servin .,,,,_,,,_,,_, 2610; 2945
samples of woo .. 2916 l four to beappciuted byikesideut., with cerstandard of vinegar .. 2917 tain prescribed duties .. . ... 2608
hydmmeters for ascertaining proof of li- expensesandnlary0ffourge¤oral,(repeuled.) 2727
_ql10lj¤ ---·- : ----~··-- _ -------··-··-. 29 18 in any district may be required by Secrein estimating duties on grain, how bushel · tary of Treasury to attend in other
is determiqed . .  2919 · digtriom ___________________________ 2947
exgenseof weighmglmeaaurin5_i,orgauging- 2920 l local and general, at Boston, Philadelphia,
de_ ciency to be cerulied and a lowed . 2921 Baltimore, and New Orleans  2728
of nmportp, when final  2923 oath of, and of merchant appraisers ... 2615
examination of owners and others .. 2922-2924 at New York, and revision of assistant
owner mgy be required to give bond to pm- ap miseismport by  2614, 2615
duce proof menable collector to acer- additionvg compensation of, at San Frmtgin chaos, or mtu of duty ,,_,_,__ 2925 _ cisco ,,,_,,,,.,,,,,,,,,__,,,,,__,,_ 2746
 s zith, in complete manifests. - 2926 { duties ofhyryhen imported articles omitted in 2901
good .. en .
goods damaged and taken from wrecks, sp- ° duty of, in estimating value and quantity
_ _ penis . .  2928 l of imports and manufactures of woél
revision of report of, by whom made, dzc- . 2929   in unfinished condition . 2902
when owner, &amp;c., dissatisfied with .. 2930 ‘ when to adopt best article in package as
asypeal fmmypllertnr  2931-2932 iixin value ,.,,... 2911
of _ rugs. mcdlclnoo, Gro --...·.-.-·.-.-. 2933-2938 1 wool of diffgront qualities in some bale, Gro-,
of imports gl; Now York , _, ,__ _  2939 how 9, praised by __________________ 2912
Secretary of the Treasury may make spe- · how to certigy ddicieucy in package &amp;c.
cul rozolmons for -_ ..-...·. 2939 to collector ..- T 2921
ofiicers, &amp;c., egipmyed m, not to engage to examine owners, Mz., as to value of merm ineresu a usmes . _ . 294 1 ~ chandise sud require rs  2922
certam, to be made by assistant ap- to certify rate of percentagcP3i’°dam•ge on
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EXPATBIATION, _ _ ‘ EXTRA. COHPENSATION—Continued.
inherent right of, affirmed; claims of for- nor to officers, &amp;c., on public buildings at
WH0 8u€8i9·}*(‘€ disav0wed; officers seat of government _______ _ _  1335
110* to Q¤*=‘S¤0¤ right of ----·--·--·-· 1999 uor for signing United states notes ,,,___ 3578
EX.PI.`B.ATIQN OF SERVQIQE, norto engineers of Army acting as disof seamen in Navy, disposition of men  1422 · bursing officers on public works _____ 1153
subject to laws, if detained after  1423 , of soldiers detailed for constant labor  1287
limit of detention after ,,,,,, , 1424 EXTRA WAGES TO SEAMEN,
shipping articles to contain conditions . 1425 consular officers not to receive fees, &amp;c., for
pay in case of detention __________________ 1572 collecting, &amp;c __________,_ _ ___,____ 1719
EXPLOQRING EXPEDITIONS, to be paid on discharge, by consular officers,
collections of, to be under care of Commis- from unseaworthy vessel . .  4561
stoner of Patents . _ . _ . -195 penalty for refusal to pay, on discharge ..,. 4563
proceeds ot material sold, how disposed ot. 3618 » consul, &amp;c., may require, on discharge , . .. 4580
EXPLOSIVE SUBSTANCES, penalty for neglect to require . 4581
excluded from mails . 3878 on sale of vessel in foreign perm __________ 4532
from steam passenger-vessels  4472 when, may be remitted __________________ 4583
penalty for transportation of, or delivery disposal of _______________________ _ _______ 4584
for transportation on passenger con- when may be paid to degerters ____________ 4600
veyances ... 5353, 5354 EXTRADITION,
death caused by such transportation, &amp;c., provisions concerning . 5270-5280
deemed manslaughter .. 5354 for extradition to foreign countries lim-
EXPORTATION, ited to time of existence of treaty  5274
condensed statement of exports to be fur- of persons charged with crime in foreign
nished by Secretary of Treasury an- country, arrest .,..,,,...,.,,... 5270
nually  3812 E evidence admissible on hearing _____ 5271
of goods, &amp;c., under treaty of Washington. 2866 surrender by Secretary of State . 5272
of fire-arms, spirits, &amp;c., to Alaska  1955 j discharge of if not conveyed out of United
of merchandise in bonded warehouse .. 2971 1 States within two months after comwhen entitled to return duties, &amp;c .. 2977 mitment, &amp;c ,,,,,______________ 527:;
restriction upon entry for drawback ... 2978 of person delivered by foreign governwhen permitted without payment of duties. 2979 ment, transportation, safe-keeping,
what may be withdrawn from warehouse and use of land and naval forces for,
for, to Mexico . 3002 i &amp;c  5275
through port of Lavaca, Tex  3003 ] agent to receive person to have powers
through port of Indianola, Tex . 3004 of marshal in districts through which
penalty for landing in United States goods he passes .. 5276
exported to Mexico or British Ameri- , penalty for obstructing, &amp;c., agent .. 5277
can provinces ., 3008 t from one State, &amp;c., to another, of fugiof drugs, medicines, how made . , . 3018 i tives from justice ...,_,,_____ i _ ,5278
manufactured in bonded warehouse . 3433 authority of agent of State, &amp;c., to transrejected by examiners on importation as port prisoner, penalty for rescuing . - 5279
adulterated or impure .. 2937 arrest of Seamen deserting from foreign
of articles imported in bulk ... 3028 vessels, on application of consul, &amp;c. - 5280
of merchandise, from district other than that , delivery, detention, &amp;c . 5280
of importation . 3041 EXTRA DUTY,
of bonded imports from warehouse  3052 compensation for, when not allowed. tSee
to British provinces _____,_,_,,,__,,,. .3054-3056 Erlm Compensation.)
superintendent of  3161 punishment by. in Navy . p. 281, art. 24, 1624
provisions relating to drawbacks upon . .3015-3057 by tvouttmartiai ... p. 282, art. 30, 1624
of line-cut, shorts, refuse scraps, clippings,
&amp;c., of tobacco ...,. 3362 I`.
stamps for tobacco, snuff, and cigars fur- ,
nished to collectors internalrevenue. 3385 i FALSE, (See Forging.)
of tobacco, snuff, and cigars ___,...,., 3385 i dating instrument relating to title, under
of matches .. 3430 Mexican authority, of lands, &amp;c., in
drawback upon articles exported, general , _ California, penalty .. ,._ , 2472
provisions (see Drairback) ... 3015-3059   making false ob igations or securities of
cn spirits withdrawn from warehouse.3329, 3330 · United States ... , .. 5414
of internal—revenue tax on fermented , note in imitation of national — bank
liquor and other articles . 3441, 3442 { notes -··--·-·-----·---···--------- 5415
penalty for fraudulently claiming . 3443 t iQiiBTS PPNBHY -—------·----—--···--·-—-- 5416
collector to render monthly account. . . 3444 bid, proposal, guarantee, bond, &amp;c., to
EXPBESSES, _ defrz-uid United States ... 5418, 5479
private, for carrving letters or packets, pro- g military bounty—land_ warrant, &amp;c ... 5420
hibit,ed__: _____________,_,______ 3982,3983 l abstract, &amp;,c,, of registry, or enrollment
gending letters bv, forbidden __,,_______ 3984 i of, or license to vessels, &amp;c,, passport,
EXTORTION,` clearance, permit, debenture, &amp;c ..,. 5423
by interna,]-revenue officer ________________ 3169 i coin or bars in similitude of coin or
by officer, under color of office  5481   bars, &amp;c., by law current in United
by receiving money, &amp;c., under threat of , _ Std0S_..:: .. Z .. Z .., 5457
informing, or for not informing . 5484 , coin IH. simihtude of minor coinage of
EXTRA ¤0NPEN¤A’1`I0N» ; United States-_ -·--·---.-----.--- r-- 5458
limit of, for disbursements  3654 z any order gurgortinsz to be moneyorder
of public officers, none to be allowed i issued y ost—Oflice Department . . . 5463
where salary is fixed, unless explic- presenting false evidence to title to lands,
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GOVERNMENT PBINTING—0FHCE— I GRAND JUBY,
Continued. · by what number of jurors indictments to
(kmgressional Printer and foremen not to be ‘ be found - . . : .. 1021
interested in publishing newspapers, l number of persons m . 808
nm- in pertain contracts __,,,__,,,... 3765 foreman of . .  809
pgpg; for, estimates required  L  3766 { Wl18h to be 80mm0D0d .-. 8lO
standards of, how fixed  3767 when discharged  Z  811
advertisements for proposals to furnish.. 3767 _ in district court may take cogmzance of
what to specif · ,. 3768 l offenses in jurisdiction of circuit
samples of stamlard, for  3769 r‘0ul‘t ... . .·.-- 813
gwgrd of contracts for, _ _ _ ,,__.,. . . . 3770 in western district of Afkllnlls  814
time for filling contract for .,.., 3771 in Indiana and Kentucky ... _ -. 815
gpppqvgl of (ggntrgct, for ______ , ,,,,. , . - . 3772 in N01'fh C8l'0ll1’lI. to IRQ11d !·¥pP(:18.l
comparison of, furnished with standard. . 3773 _ terms - - ._ .-. _. . ._  816
di utcs as to quality of, furnished .. 3774 in South Carolina to st.tend_d1str1ct court
delgult oi contractor for, how new con· sitting in western district: .. 817
tract made and temporary supplies in Vermont to be charged by circuit court
procured , _ ,,...,. 3775 g as to crimes cogmzable in district . . . 818
contractor liable for increased cost .. 3776 4 causes of disqualification and challenge of. 820
prosecution of defaultin contractor . 3777 ‘ additional oath which may be required ol. 821
purchases in open maaet for, how an- in cases for enforcing fourteenth amendthorized ,,,,..,.,.,... 3778 ment, persons excluded who are in
account of, to be kept and reported to , complicity, dmc., oath ... 822
Secretary of Interior ... 3820 T corruptly endeavoring to influence, iut.imi··
engravings of maps, diagrams, dw., for docu- l date, &amp;c  5404, 5405
ments, how rocured  3779, 3780 ; conspiring to influence, or to injure, on sc—
maps for re rt of Commimioner of Generalcount of indictment ... 5406
Iandprlmoe  3781 GBAPEB,
payment for engraving, &amp;c . 3782 brandy from, exempt from certain interforemen of, tomake estimates and file requi- nal-revenue laws ... 3255
sitions for materials  3783 l exemptions from tax of wine, du-., made
what printing and binding may be done from  . . 3328
at .. 3785, 3786 GRATUITY, (See Gi/Ts.)
registered bonds and written records may to seamen on promotion for distinguished
be bound at the Treasury Depart- conduct in battle .. 1407
ment .. ... 3787 GREAT BRITAIN,
reports of officers in charge of bureaus . 3788 gold coins of, may be received in payment
form and style of printing, &amp;c., for depart- for public lands .,.,,,._ 2366
ments, how determined  3790 1 par of, exchange with .. 3565
number of copies of bills, joint resolutions, vessels of, in coa.sting~trade on lakes, &amp;c.,
and documents to be printed  3791-3801 I under treaty .,..,..,... 4347
accounts kept with departments .. 3802 , suspension of privil?e by Praident . 4347
extra copies of documents for private per- g salaries of minister an secretaries to .. 1675
sons .. 3809 [ GBEENPORT, N. Y.,
estimates of amounts required for salaries, ; cargoes for port of, to be entered and duties
wages, en%r‘avin% and other expendi- 3 paid at Sag Harbor .. 2535, 2537
tures to ,. su mitted annua ly to - enrollment and license of vessels at  4345
Register of Treasury ... 3814 · GUAN0 ISLANDS,
accounts of, to be rendered quarterly to ‘ when discovery of, considered as appertain the Secretary of the Treasury  3815, 3817 in to Lnited States  5570
advances! how made to Congressional notice of discovery and proofs to be fur-
Prmter; ... ,. .:  3816 . nished to Department of State . - .5571, 5572
foremen of printing and binding in, to fur- exclusive privilege of discoverer _____,_,.. 5573
nish monthly statements . .  3819 restrictions upon exportation, dsc . 5574
report concerning, to Congress  3821 regulation of umo trade . 5575
estimate of expenses of, to be submitted to crimes and oféinses committed on . 5576
Congress by Congressional Printer . - 3822 _ President to employ land and naval forces
GLYNOIN QIL, for protection of discoverer’s rights. 5577
not to be shipped on passenger-vessels . 4278 United Stnws may abandon _______________ 5575
penalties for carrying on pamenzer convggg 5 GUARD (in Army),
ances in violation o law . 3-5355 I unishment for quitting.  p. 233, art. 40, 1342
how packed and marked for shipment . 4279 GGABDIANS, _ ~
regulations of traflic in, may be made by [ when excluded as witnesses .. 858
States . 4280 may sell homestead for children .. 2292
GRAIN, of children of soldiers, &amp;c., under homecustoms duties on .. p. 468, 2504 , stead law to be accredited by Intehow estimated . 2919 7 rior Department ,.,,.., 2307
how stored in bonded warehouse .. 2959 'ster in bankruptcy not to be &amp;c ... 4996
quantity of mash to represent one bushel. - 3264 » lmlding national-bank stock not,liable  5l52
may be ground on distillery-premises for pension to be paid to . 4703 4706 4766
di¤¤11¤ti&lt;&gt;¤ ------------------------ 3266 w {uint pensioners having inmmnt _' _ ’4m1
penalty for delivery of, at distillery having ° na ty for embezzling, &amp;c , ,_,,, _ ,__, :4783 5480
no sign .. . . 3279 l Gggtzogrs, ’
not to be mashed at distillery between Sat- · persons servin on, when to have pension. 4693
_urday and Monday - T --·----- Z - · 3287* I mic of totabdisability pension to  4695
nity-sig: pounds_to the bushel in determm- pension to de ndent relatives of persons
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JUSTICE! OF THE PEACE-Continued. LA.B0BEBS·——Cont1nued.
limit to jurhdiction of .., 1926, 1927 dn ’s work of, to be eight; hours .. 3738
may administer oath to assistant marshals LAJEB BEER (sec Frrmented Liquma)  3339
_for takingcensus ... 2181 , LAKES,
may issue search-warrant to customs of5— revenue cutters on northern and northwest-
_ _ cer¤.._ . 3066 , em, specially charged to aid vessels
yunsdiction in postal cases ___,,___,__,____ 3833 l in distress .._.,,_._,.._ 2759
in suits against seamen for breach of ar- vessels on, exempt from certain provhions
HCl0B .. 4522 ‘ respecting shipping articles _________ 4513
may summon master of vessel to show cause , certain pienheads on, to be marked bv
in cases of seamen’s wages ,_,.., 4546 l Light-House Board ,,__,__ `_ 4677
on complaint of unvesworthiness of vesmls J vemels on the great lakes are subject to navito, shall direct survey .., 4556, 4557 , tion laws, rules, and regulations . . . 4401
may punish seamen for refusal to sail, &amp;c. . 4558 f Lake §mmp1sin, merchandise from Canmay punish seamen deserters . 4598 ada in stesmboats on, in what dispexscus for unauthorized boarding wes- tricts may be |gnded,&amp;e ____________ 3128
scls ... 4606 delivery of manifests, and clearance of
for District of Columbia to report deaf and l steamboats on, when going into
dumb persons in District ... 4866Province of Quebec ...,._,,,,____ _ _ ~l·2t)8
  OFFENDEBS, I Lake Michigan, Secretary of Treasurv to
provisions for confinement. of .. 55-48-5550 make regulations to enable vessels in
K coasting-trade on, to unlade without
. previous permits . . ..,__ 3120
KANSAS, Lake Ponchsrtrain, drawback on im-
United States courts in .. 531, 572, 658 ports exported from .,__ 3055
transcript of new books of records of district LAKEPORT,
courts in ...1.. 897 vessels for, mav unlade after making report
Indian agents for tribes in  2052 at New Orleans ...,,... 2572
surve or-general of public lands in  2207 from, to foreign ports to clear at New Orland &lt;listricts in .. 2256 leans .. 2573
exempted from provisions granting LAND AND NAVAL FORCES,
sgamp lands to certain States ... 2479 how eniployed to execute judicial process,
KENTU KY,·c . 1984-19241
judicial district of  531 to enforce neutrality laws .., 5287
district court in, terms of .,... 572 . to comfel departure of foreign vessels fordumtion of, at one place not limited by bi den to remain, &amp;c .. 5288
intervening term elsewhere . 577 ~ in cases of insurrection against State-  5297
udjnurnments of .. 577, 579, 580, 584, 585 l against United States . 5298
clerks of ,,,..,,,,,,,..,.. 1 ...,. 557 I in case of domestic violence, &amp;c., where
circuit court in, terms of .. 358 . protection of law is denied .. 52$»9
special sessions of ,,,.,..,..,... 665 I in aid of collection of duties . 5316
what businem may be transacted at . 670 to protect discoverer of guano island  5577
clerks of ___,,__,___,,,.,,.__,, ·. 620 LAND DISTRICTS, (See, also, binds,  
process to be returned and cause tried in registers and receivers of .. 2234-‘ 7
court neorestdefendant .. - . . 745 to be discontinued, when .. 2248, 2249
petit and rand juries in .. 815 boundaries of, changed by President  2253, 2254
where   is given for appearance, calling when, may be discontinued or annexed  2250
of party, my _______,_,___,,_,___,,, 946 President may establish additional  2343
ports of entry in, belonging to collection boundstiés of .. 2256
district of New Orleans, and their 111 Lllbimh . -..p. 396, 2256
0$cgrg ____________________ 2568, 2569, 2606 · Mobile, Huntsville, and Montgomery.
merchandise imported at Louisville for Jef- iD AI-lZ011¤· .-...--·---.-·.-. P- 414, 2256
fersonville, Ind., may be entered at , _ Gila., Prescott.
hqel- place ___________ _ ____________ M7 I in Arkansas. .: . p. 397, 2256
KEY;) i Dardauelle, Little Rock, (`anden, Harof distillery-locks to be in charge of col- 5 _ rison. _
lector of internal revenue or such I 1D Cahfcrmp .. :  $0400, 2256
geugeruhe mg designate ,,____.,. 3267 i San Fra¤c1sco,_Mgrysvllle, Hum ldt,
to gates and doors oty distillery to be fur- $l¢0Gl&lt;l#0¤, &quot; 1S¤·l!¤, S801‘§·m€¤@0. LOB
nished by distiller to collector of in- l _ Allgeles, Shasta, Sllsinvllle- _
ternal revenue ________________ _ ____ 3275 ; m Colorado ... : . ,_ .. p. 412, 2250
stealin , unlawfully making, and other of-PH€blO,.D€DV9f City, Fair Play, Cenianses respecting mail-lock keys . 5477   _ ]:·l‘¢£°(€;l)‘. 411 2256
y q., · my _ _ . 1...: . _   . ,
with mwmm sell or hold person in slzv- _   Ycrrmll¤&lt;&gt;¤,Sp¤¤z¤¢·ld.Pemb¤¤¤.Il’¤¤k-
ery (see Slave Trade) . ..  v525 l _  ds 398 2256
m .. . ,
L_ l Tallahassee, Gainesville or East lgloridga. 2256
1,nB l in Idaho ... p. 41 ,
fm-  galgrig ____________ _ _________ 52   Boise City, Lewiston.
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for House of Representatives, salaries .. 5§ | in Iu;\¤°“ ·-·--·-----------·-—-· P- 395. 2256
in departments, psy of ... 16¤ _ Sf;¤{gfl¢l&lt;l·
in Army, designation of (repealed, and P¥‘0· In {hmm -, ---·-···----—······· P- 3Q5v 2256
visions added for nergeants, mrporals, _ I¤d¤¤1¤P0l1¤- {
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detail of working parties of soldiers as . 1235 · Fort DGH M0me¤,_ Council Bluffs, Fort
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PART |· S—Contmuetl. _ PASSENGERS AND PASSENGER
where defendant lh suit to enforce lien '1‘BANBPORTATION—Continued.
not inhabitant of district ... 738 » nitro—glycerine, ew-. not to be varried in
may manage causes in courts personally or _ vessels employed in transporting  4278
_ _ byconnse1  I  747 in steam·vesse!s, penalty for varrving, conin civil ggtigng not gxciudgd 88 v•,·][n3g3g5_ _ 858 trgry to law ______________ U _____ _ _ _ _ 4424
when erecutor or administratormade party. 955 vessels carr ing, not to leave port without
suggestion of death of, on record .. 956 complement of officers and crew  4463
in bankruptcy proceedings, must obey sum- number of, allowed to be carried to bestated
_¤n0ns of register  5005 in certificate of inspection .. 4464
conspiring to deter, &amp;c., from attending , penalty for carrving more than authorized. 4465
Loud     States, or m injure number carried An QXc[]fEi()]]S _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 4466
on account of having attended .. 5406list of, received and delivered from day to
P4RTNE1?·$HIP¤»day, to be kent -------------·--- 4467-4469
included in word person __,____,___,,___,, 1 recautions against fire .., 4470
to pay but one special tax ____________,__, 3234 gre-pumps and hose .,...,. .. 4471
vesse s owned y, where partner resides dangerous merchandise not to be taken on
abroad, how registered _,.,,.,., . . . . 4133 &lt; steamers carrying ...,,.,... 4472
in bankruptcy, distinct liabilities of each 1 penalt for unlawfully carrying cotton or
partner ...,_..,,...,,,,... 5074 hemp ,_,,,,,.,,...,, A ,,__.. 4 473
discharge, effect of  .  5118 ‘ use of petroleum, &amp;c., as fuel ____________ _ 4474
PASSED ASSISTANT PAYMABTEBS inode of packing gunpowder, nitro·g1ycer-
(Navy), ine, &amp;c . ms, 4476
number of, on the active list .. 1376 watchman at night  4477, 4478
promotion to grade suspended  1377 fire·extinguishers _________________ _ ______ 4479
order of promotion of  1380 wire tiller-ropes and bell·pulls ____________ 4480
bonds of ..,.. 1383 boats for rivensteamers .. 4481
clerks to  1388 life-preservers for river-stesmsps __________ 4482
relative rank of, on active list . 1475 fire- uckets, water-barrels, and axes _______ 4433
pay of ... I55G Stairwuys and gangways on river-steamers _ 4484
PASSED ASSISTANT SURGEONS accommodations for deck passengers . . .4485, 4486
(Navy), river-steamers to be anchored in fogs, &amp;c . . 4487
relative rank of, on active list . 1474 ’ life-boats ou ocean, lake, and sound steam-
Xay of ... 1556ers . 4488, 4489
P SSENGEBS AND PASSENGER water-tight bulkheads on ocean-going, and
TRANSPORTATION, vessels navigating great lakes ... 4490
(certificate of voluntary emigration of cer- life-saving apparatus to be approved, how. 4491
tain, to be given by consular officers. 2162 l barges in tow carrying, subject to what proinspection of baggage of passengers arriving visions  4492
in United States (see Baggage). . .3100, 3101 liability of owner, &amp;c., for baggage of .,,,., 4493
transportation to United States from for- two copies of regulations to be kept on
ei n port not in contiguous territory. 4252 steamers carryin ..,.,,,___ 4494
penalt ior taking on board more than al- names of steamers to be painted on stern
lowed _____,_,,_,,,.,,. 4253 and Hpilot-house .._.,,,,_______, 4495
space a propriated ... 4254 customs officers to enforce provisions for, on
berths for, regulation of .. 4255 _ steam-vessels ... 4496, 4497
between United States and Europe ,... 4256 license, register, or enrollment of vessels for,
ventilators for a rtments occupied by . . . 4257 when granted . 4498
cooking·range, gg, for . 4258 penalty on _\*mls violating provisions revessel not provided with houses, venti- ppeetlllg  4499, 4500
laters, and cooking-range, penalty- . . 4259 seduction of female by person employed on
provisions and water for , 4260-4262 l vessel, how punis cd  5349-5351
discipline and health regulations  4263 l penaltymfor transporting or delivering on
collectors to inspect vessels _,,_. 4264 ~ ard of vessels conveying passenbetween Pacific rts and United States gers, nitro·glycerine and other explosubjsct, to lhoregoing provisions, ex- sive substances . ·  5353, $#54
cept, dsc _________ _ ______, , ,,,, .  4265 PASSPGBTS,
water and food for, &amp;c . 4265 how granted and issued .. 4075
list of, arriving from foreign port to be fur- clerk in charge of, in State Qepartment to
nished collector on entry ... 4266 administer oaths for, without fee  212
collectors to return copies of, quarterly, to to foreigners entering Indian country . 2l34
Secretary of State ..,,,,,_,,,,,, 4267 penalty for vmlation of ..._. · .. 4062
deaths among, other than cabin, payment by ln foreign countries, how granted, issued, _
master, owner, or consignee, dw. .-4268. 4269 and verified .. ,._ ... t . . . 40·5
penalties for violating provisions to be a to be grunted, &amp;c., to citizens of United
lien on vessels ,,,,,,,,.,_,_,_,,,__, 4270 states only .,..,,.. 4076
vessels of colonization societies subject to returns of, to be made to Secretary of State. 4077
foregoing provisions ,__________ _ ,,_, 4271 penalty for issue, &amp;c., of, by unauthorized
examination, &amp;&lt;·.. of ernigranvveesels on ar- person ._ ..-.. i . 4078
rival by collector __________________ 4272 vessels of United States going abroad to
informers to have half penalties recovered have .---~-------- _-; -----···---- 4306, 4307
for violating laws relating to trans— for unregistered vessel S8llIfl§{·0ll sea-letter. 4308
pormtgon of _____________ _ _____ _ ____ 4273 ; deposit of, with consul on arrival at foreign
vesels of United States carrying passengers , port . ._ . _ .. _ .. 4309, 4310
between {0,9,,,,, ports ______________ 4274 , falsely making, forging, altering, Gr.,
officers or seamen, &amp;c., notto visit part of __ i granted to vessel; uttering as true
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PORTS OF ENTRY AND DELIVERY- l PORTS é)FtEN'§B.Y AND DELIVERY-
Continued. 1 on mue .
Newliampshire .. 2522 { Texas . .. . 2578
Ogjcam in  _ _ __ ___ _____ 2523 officers .1ll .. Z  _ . 2579, 2580
merchandise for Kittery or Berwick, transshipment ot goods in bond for _
Me., mav be entered at l’ort»=mouth 2524 Brownsville . . . . . . . .. 2¤81
New Jersey _`  __ ___ _ __________ 2,541 exports of merchandisetrom ports of, to
fliggrg in ________________________ _ _ _ 2542 Mexico ... · ... 3002-3005
i)na&lt;ters of vessels for Burlington to de- merchandise for Houston and Buffalo
posit manifests at Philadelphia - . . 2834 ‘ Bayou maybe enteredat Galveston. 2821
N York _,,_,...,,.._______________, 2535 Vermont _,_________________,__,______ 2525
iglrpr, in ______________,,,,,,,,,, 2536,2538 1 officers in ._ .. 2526
clerks, veritiaelrsé samplers, orc., may be r iq vadditional inspectors .  
appoint or ..., Lo? · 1l'g¤11B·: - - .-.~.·.
additional inspectors may be appointed ofH_C€l‘S m ... 2553
for Dunkirk, Buffalo, N1 igara, , weighers, gaugers, and other officers
Genesee, Oswego, Oswegat¢·hie,andnecessary may be appointed for
Cham lgin _________________ _ __,, 2605 N0l‘fOll( . . ... 2606
merehandge for tireepport may be en- 2537 vessels   Ping Rgchmond district
{gg-gd af, Sag Hgr gr ______________ . )OH ll'1 0 PS llfg may C B3!' B,
for Cold Spring or Port Jefferson to be Richmond -·--· 1 --·----...-.. 2554
entered at New York ...`. 2540 bound pp Jaynes River need not deentry of merchandise at New York for positmamfest at Norfolk, but to be
transportation in bond . .; . 2990, 2997 i oarded by master of revenue cutter 2835
privilege extended to Genesee... l duties of masters of vessels arriving in
nolc of ler 2990 districts of Petersburg and Richmagtgrg of vessels hound for any dis- 1D011d iI\ certain 08.888 I ... 2836
trictin Connecticut by way of San- West Vxrginia, ports of, IH collection
dy Hook to deposit, manifest at New districgc of New Orleans ... 2568
Xgrk ,,,,,,. 2834 surveyors or  2569
North Carolina _,___,,,_,_, . ,. 2555 Wisconsin . . . 2597
Oliicgm in ___________________,,,_,_,, 2556 officers in .,,.,,. 2598
0hio ________,__ _ ___._,_,.. 2603 weightars, gaugers, and other officers
oi-Bears in _________,_,___.__,,,. . .2569 2604 I w en necessary may be appointed. 2606
indMiami, Sandusky, and Cuyahoga ’ 9604 La   port (of, in collection dis- 2568
igtrictg _______,_._,_. - .. ., rio 0 ew r eans ..,..
additional inspectors for Superior, San- surveyor for ... 2569
dugky, and Cuyahoga .,.. 2605 PORTSMOUTH, N. H.,
ports of, in collection istrict of New merchancgsee may blelentered at, for Kittery
Orleans . 2568 or rwic e ,... 2524
entry of merchandise for Cincinnati may PORT—WARDENb,
be made at New Orleans .. 2822 certificates of, as to necessity for nnlading
may bemade at Toledo for transporta- vessels in distress ... . . . 2891
tion in bond to certam places. .2990, 2997 , POBSE COMITATUB,
Oregon and Washington Territory. . . 2586may be summoned by persoéis appointed to
officers in ,,, 2587 execute process un er &lt;·1vil·rights
weighers, gaugers, and other officers ne- laws . _ . . .. :  1984
cessary may be appointed for Port- 2 by insarshal and deputies, wnen resisted,
land  . ... 606 C  - . .f 2024
manifests of vessels to and from Port-  Argéshals in Indian country .. 2153
land ,... . . ... 2588 2589 POS
vessels having merchandise for both As- i mail matter divided into three classes. . 3875-3878
toria and Portland ... 2590 , rate of, on Kpewspapers, &amp;c., at free-deliv-
Penn; lvania ,... 2543ery 0 ces . 38`2
gfiiqgrs in ,,_,,,. .  2544, 2545 extra, not to be charged on mail-matter i
additional inspectors may be appointed 2605 y collecteddof delivered by carriers ..., gg?
for Erie ____,,_,,,.,,,... ·  ‘ on letters an etter—matter .,.,_,.,,,,_, . . 21
Pittsburgh in collection district of New i ou drop-letters ..,,.,,,,,_., 3904
Orleans ____________,,._,, . . . 2568 i on regular printed matter ,,_,__,,__ , .3905, 3906
surveyor for ,,.,. . . 2569 1 OH p3Ck8g0SOf small apcrs ., 3907 3908
merchznéliseltxor Pgtpburgh may be en- 2822 ‘ on zangent and miscellaneous matter, i 39] )
te at ew reans . ir cass . .t
masters of vessels for Burlington, N. J., on clothing to soldiers .. 3911
to de osit manifest at Philadelphia 2834 on foreign matter .. 3912
merchandise may be entered at Phila- on irregular sea·letters .,,...,.,_,,,_,,. 39125
delphia for transportation in bond on letters carried in foreign vessels .. 4015
to certain places . 2990, 2997 extra, on advertised letters .,..,.,,. 3935
Rhode Island    received at post.-offices to be accounted for
officers in ... , as revenue , 4051
weighers, gaugers, and other officers ne- uncalled-for newspapers may be returned
cessary may be appointed for Provi- to publishers on payment of _.., 4061
dence  . . 2606 on letters for United States held in foreign
South Carolina ... 2557 countries, paid by consuls .. 4014
officers in  f ... I    I. . F - . 2558 no allowa(nce for, to members and delegates 4
Tennessee ports o entry in co ec ion in iongress __,__,,,,__,,,__,,,.,... 4
district of New Orleans ... 2568 1 allowance to collector ot internal revenue. . 3145
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_ Section. Section.
BATES QF PORT.@.GE—C0nt1nued. BEAR-ADKIBALS-Continued.
on t1’8.D.BlBDt and miscellaneous matter, third selection and promotion of. .. .. 1365, 1366
· class  _ .. 3910 promotion to grade of ... . 1497
on clgtlymg, Qc_, {,0 Soldiers_ _ ________ _ ____ 39]} pay of ___________________________________ 1556
on foreign ma1l-matter ... 3912 may be nine on retired list ... 1460
on lnegulir $€B·‘l€W€1`¤ ----------.-... 3913 Secretary of Navy may in certain cages pmextra, on adverused letters ... 3935 , mote commodores to be, in addition- . 1460
on letters earned 111 fO!`0lgD vessels  4015 BEASSESSMENT (of internal-revenue
KATQNG (m Navy), _ taxes),
pumshment by reductmn of, by command- may be made within fifteen months ... 3182
mg officer  p. 281, art. 24, 1624 REBATE,
by summary court-martial. .p. 282, art. 30, 1624 of interest on publiu debt when paid before
TGVOC8HOH Of, {0I` inccmpetency, by sum- dug __________________ _ ____________ 3699
mary court-martial  p. 282, art. 31, 1624 3 BEBELLION,
BATIOQIS, _ _ _ _ , constitutional provisions disabling certain
i·0'I¤dlB-HS V1S1@1¤g military post ... 2110 persons engaged in, from holding pf.
in reveuue—cutter service, to officers of _____ 275.5 i fice _________ V _________________ p_ 31
_ COHUHCYS fol‘ -... . .. 2756 5 debts incurred in aid of, and claims for
U1 Army, Slll)8lBY8D0€ Department to sup- , slaves void ..__________________ p_ 3]
ply ... 1141for pensions and bounties for services in
when to be furnished to naval detach- su pressing, not questioned  p. 31
ments.  1143 , writ of habeas corpus not to be suspended
credit sales of, to officers and men ... 1144 l in case of, unless, &amp;c .. p. 21
purchase of, by officers in_tield . 1145 , persons engaged in, not to be appointed in
component parts0f ...,.,,,..,,_.__ 1146   Army ..,., 1218
coffee and sugar commuted . 1147 not to be appointed cadets ___________ 1316, 5293
weekly issue of  1148 claims of persons who sustained, not m be
to hospital matrons and nurses .. 1277 paid ...,..,,,,,,________ _ _____ 3430
to enlisted men, allowance of ... 1273 for pensions not to be paid to rebels _____ 4716
to sergeants and corporals of ordnance. . . 1293 vessels sailing under foreign flag, &amp;c., durof sugar and coffee not issued, paid for. - . 1294 ing, not to be registered, &amp;c  4135
to laundresses accompanyingtroops .. 1295 militia may be called forth to su press  1642
to matrons and nurses .. 1295 subject to Rules and Articles oi)VVar _____ 1644
purchased by officers on credit .. 1299 ’ land and naval forces employed to suppress. 5298
111 militia when in service .. 1650 , engaged in giving aid and comfort, &amp;(;,,
additional, on western frontiers ... 1655 l punishment ... 5334
in Navy, to midshipmen, &amp;c . 1577 intercourse with those engaged iu, by perto what other Hersons allowed .. 1578 sons in Navy ... p. 276, art, 4, 1624
to whom not a. owed  1579, 1595 effect of, on limitation of time for commencconstituents of . 1580 ing proceedings in courts . . ...,.,___ 1048
substitution for parts of .,... 1581 in cases in Court of Claims __,__, 1072-1074
diminution or variance of ... 1582 contracts for collecting money and property
stopped, for the sick ... 1583 , of late Confederate States, how made_ 3755
additional, of tea and coffee to seamen. . - 1584 _ provisions respecting power of President to
commutation price of ... 1585 suppress, commercial intercourse, &amp;c,
to enlisted men of Marine Corps  1615 i (see Insurrecticm) ... 5297-5322
allowance of, to Navy hospitals . 4812 conspiring to levy war, destro government,
REAL ESTATE, by force, how punished, . 5336-5338
all citizens to have equal rights to hold  1978 , BECAPTUBE,
seized and sold for internal-revenue taxes- . 3196 of vessel once captured, salvage .._ 4652
notice of sale and other proceedings . 3197 BECEIPTS,
when sold, certihcate of purchase and deed by internalmevenue collectors, &amp;c., for all
of .,...,... 3198 , sums collected ..,...,.. 3183
effect of deed of ._,.,.,..,.,,. 3199 I using, &amp;c., by persons not in military or naby collector of, in any other district with- val service of false, for claim against
in State _.,.,.. 3200 United States .. 3490
Owner may redeem ,,__,,. , ,..., 3201, 3202, 3204 for purchase-&gt;—money of lands, falsely making,
return of proceedings in sale of .. 3203altering, &amp;&lt;¢ . _  _ ... 5420
commissioner to have charge of sales, &amp;c., falsely making, &amp;c., with intent to obtain
gf ______________ _ ________________,_ 3208from United States any sum of money. 5421
gugcgggive Seizures __________,,_,_,, _ __,, 320.5 i having in possession any false, &amp;c,, with
{668 and chg;-ge; ____ _ _________________ ; 3206 , intent to defraud United States .. 5422
proceedings by bill in chancery to subject,   using, &amp;c., of false,   obtain approvals, &amp;c.,
to xyaymgnt of mx __________________ 3207 ¤ of claims against United States, &amp;e. - 5438
of delinquent collector of internahrevenue, officer eharged_with payment of appropriasale of, by United States marshal  3217 t10H paying sum less than prov1ded
acquired by Fnited States for deht, powers by law and requiring receipt for
of Solicitor of Treasury as to manage- » _ amount ireator than paid ... 5483
ment, sale, &amp;c ,_,,__,__,,,,,,... 3749-3751 111 Army, ma mg, usmg, false, (Qc., and
conveyed to individuals for use of United other fraudulent acts respecting  .
States, authority of President to ob- i _ _ p. 235, art. 60, 1342
tain release of title , 3752 ‘ in Navi, making, using, &amp;c., false, and
in Territories, limit to right of religious, other fraudulent acts respecting,
M., associations to hold ·..- 1890 1 _ p- 279, art. 14, 1624
when national banks may purchase ... 5137 m post-ofiice matters,
REAR-ADMIRALS, how covered into Treasury ,_____,,.,_,_ 408
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Section. _ _ Section.
TRANBPORTATION—Contini1e&lt;l., | TBEASON-—Continued.
for Army, Secretary of War to prescribe . right of defense by counsel, and to compel
regulations of, for supplies .. 219 witnesses upon indictment of ... 1034
of troo , munitions. stores, &amp;c., to be challenge of jurors in trials for  819
uml); control of Secretary ...,.. 220 provisions relating to neutrality not to pre-
Quartermastefs Department to furnish. . 1133 vent prosecution for .. .  5291
and for Navy, contracts, dmc., for, not to TREASURER (of United States),
exceed necessities of year ... 3732 . appointment and salary of ,... 301
Mail, provisions relating to contracts for. . 3941— bond of . 302
  Assistant Treasurer, and when to act as . .303, 304
postmasters, &amp;c., not to be concemed in clerks in office of  235
contracts for ,.. 3849 = not to engage in certain business .. 243
provisions relating to  3964-3996 rooms in Treasury building at Washington
on railways ... 3997-4005 assigned to  3591
to foreign countries ... 4006-4016 place of deposit of public money  3591
accounts to show expenditures for ... 4049 general duties of . 305
search for letters illegally carried ... 4026 to cover in liabilities outstanding more than
Merchandise in bond, ports at which three years  306
entries may be made or  2990 ; drafts remainin unpaid for three years,
examination of, for  2991 I how paidiy, &amp;c .. 307, 308
bond for .. 2992 to report accounts with, unchanged for
carriers of . 2993 three years, &amp;c ... 309, 310
to he conveyed under locks and seals  2994 to report annually to Congress  311
transfer of, to vemel or vehicle .. 2995 I publication of statements of . 266, 267
warehouses for  2996 money paid under protest for customs duties
ports to which goods may be trans- to be credited to ... 3010
ported  2997 to give receipt for gross amount of internalprivileges of, extended to Genesee, N. Y., revenue taxes paid in by officers  3210
and Saint Paul, Minn .. note after 2990 may maintain suits on bonds, &amp;c., taken by
penalty for breaking vehicle, &amp;c., con- Commixioner of Internal Revenue.- 3425
taining  2998 certain abraided coins to be received by, at
special inspectors for goods transported par ... 3505
between Atlantic and Pacific ports to be recoined . 3512
over foreign territory .. 2999 balance to credit of silver profit fund in
how, from one district to another without mints to be deposited with . 3526
payment of duties .. 3000, 3001 how, may redeem minor, &amp;c., coins ... 3529
for exportation of, with benefit of draw- to cover in deductions, &amp;c., on bullion  3552
hack .. 3036 to receive certain Spanish and Mexican
for exportation of, &amp;c., to different coun- coins .. 3567
tries ... 3002-3008 to redeem fractional currency . 3574
provision respecting warehousing of (see proceeds of sale of old materials, how credllhrchouaca)  2954-3008 _ ited by  3618, 3672, 3692
Passengers and merchandise, by vessels duties respecting public money ... 3639
(see Passengers, Vessels) . 4252-4289 * public money subject to draft of ... 3593, 3644
by steam-vessels (see Ihaacngcrs, Steam- collected in District of Columbia to be
Weasel;)  4463-4500 paid to .,.. 3615
TBANSPORTS, money of War and Navy Departments, how
detail of Navy officers to inspect Army  1437 drawn  3673
TRAVEL-PAY, provisions respecting {see Public Jluney)
of members and delegates in Congress . 45-47 3591-3659
of persons employed in Indian service . 2077 to keep account of Post-Office Department
of mtemal-revenue gaugers ... 3157 separate ,.. 3642
of officers and other persons executing pre- may have letters containing currency regiscepts of Congress . (repealed) 74 tered ... .. 3932
in Army  . ... 1273 to keep special account of money-order
to officers honorably discharged  1289 · fun s . -1045
to soldiers discharged .. 1290 net proceeds of money-order business to be
to militia when called into service .. 1652 placed with, as postal revenues . 4050
in Navy . 1566 to pay duplicate chec s for pensions (re-
TBEASON, pmled)  4770
constitutional definition of, and provision in other cases ...,.. 3646
respecting (Cmaatitutimz, art. 3, § 3, cl. { exandnation of money, &amp;c., in hands of.3649, 3650
12, p. 25). I bonds transferred to, by national banks,. . 5159,
President and Vice-President may be re- ; 5162, 5165, 5166
moved from office for ( Constitution, 1 to withhold interest on bonds of certain
art. 2, § 4, cl. 1, p. 24). ‘ banks until, &amp;c .,.,_,.,,.,,,_., 5205
members of Congress guilty of, not privi- may retain out of interest on bonds, penalty
leged from arrest (Constitution, art. 1, for refusal, &amp;c., to make reports  5213
§ 6,'cl. 1, p. 19). semi-annual duty on banks to be paid to . . 5214
statute definition of .. 5331 A report to, as basis of semi-annual tax .. 5215
punishment of; incapacity to hold office. . . 5332 may nsseu tax without report ..,.,,,. 5216
misprisiou of, who guilty of; punish- l may reserve tax out of interest on bonds . . 5217
ment .. . .. 5333 to certify claim of bank for return of semilimitation of time for finding indictment of. 1043 annual duty .,,,,,,__,,,_,___,___,_ 5218
copy of indictment, and list of jurors and national banks in liquidation to deposit
witnesses, when to be delivered to money with, for redemption of
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w••vi¤s•=¤i¤¤¤ LIFE-SAVING STATIONS.
h·9¤kP- ¤•¤¤¤¤¤- To reimburse Frank P. Sammis, a surfman in the Oak Island Life-
R°'&quot;'°‘&quot;°°°°”°' Savin Station, third district, the amount paid by him to a substitute while disabled by disease contracted in the line of duty. from Oc-
. tober twenty-eighth, eighteen hundred and eighty-two, to November
sixteenth, e hteen hundred and eighty-two, both inclusive, but to
Y¤l.¤.v·¤¤- which said §».mmis was entitled under section seven of the act of
Magréloptrtlhl eightee;1 hundred and eighty-two, thirty-three dollars
an 1 y- ree cen s. -
¤’¤·¤¢*·¤¤¤*··c¤ runmc nurnnmes.
~*·¤’··¤¤¤°**¥·¥¤· Cormr-nousn AT Jmrrmnson Our, Mxssoumz For completion of
the building, eleven thousand dollars.
MISCELLANEOUS omsors.
` lbrnrmu to im- R1u·AY1mNr *10 IIPORTERS Excuse or DEPOSITS: For payment to
§°{,,,°T°,,§ importers of interests and costs in claim on judgments and discontinued suits in custom cases on excess of deposits for unascertained
duties, or duties or other moneys paid under protest, five hundred
MM- thousand dollars: Provided, That section three thousand and eleven
uu':  P' of the Revised Statutes of the United States be, and the same is
hereb , amended by inserting after the word &quot;paid,” in the seventh
_i;¤r¤¤¤¤¤ ·&gt;f ¤¤•¤ line, the following: “Together with costs of suit and interest at the
rate of three per centum per annum ;&quot; but this amendment shall not
afect existing suits or demands.
  Pur or assrsrnrr cusrozouxs AND Jamronsz For pay of assistant
custodians and {anitors, including all personal services m connection
with all public uildings under contro of the Treasury Department
outside of the District of Columbia, being: deficienci for the fiscal
ear ending June thirtieth, eighteen hun ed and eig ty~ve, three
hundred and forty-three dollars and ninetiy-six cents.
·E&quot;•&quot;”&quot;*°°'°¤* Rmrmm ro J. Ham- Ann Comrurz o refund to J . Hart and
llnsnmn orfees Company the amount of tax and admeasurement fees imposed on the
steamship Dawn as anundocumented vessel; said tax and) fees havin
been remitted by the Secretary of the Treasury, four hundred and
fift -five dollars and seventysix cents.
wgquuhvéggrm. That the Secretary of the ulriy be, and he is hereby, authorized
l,,,..;,., ‘ and directed to Fpay to Charles F. opkins and William C. Sollee, of
J acksonville. orida, the sum of one thousand Eve hundred and
sixty-seven dollars and ninety-one cents, for surveys made by them
in eighteen hundred and eighty-four, of townships lift south, ran
thirty-two east; fifty south, range thirty-three east; Shy-two south?
range thirty-three east; fifty-one south, ran e thirty-fou.r east, and
fifty-two south. range thirty-four east, Florida, substituted by them
for certain other prppose surveiz covered by contract with the
surveyor-general o orida. num red fifty-two, dated December
twenty-eighth, eighteen hundred and eighty-three, under his verbal
authority; which said surveys have been accepted by the Government
as thong contracted for.
nsmmsccnumtn. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.
Advmina Fon MISCELLANEOUS EXPENSES: For general advertising as follows: To pay Judd and Detweiler balance due for printing arrears of
taxes, two thousand one hundred and sixty-nine dollars and fifty-one
cents; to pay New York Herald, advertising roposals, one hundred
and ten dollars and seventy cents; to pay the New York Times,
advertising proposals, thirt -one dollars and fift cents; to pay the
Times, advertising proposjs, twenty-seven dollars; to pay Public&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Y¤¤¤W¤¤·¤¤N¤¤¤¤- Ymnowsroun NArroNA1, PARK: To pay amounts found due by
°1P&quot;k` the accounting officers of the Treasury on account of the appropriation
“ Improvement of Yellowstone National Park,&quot; for the 1iscal_year
eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, ninety-nine dollars and eighty,
cents.
Rervrina mas to REPAIRING ROADS T0 NATIONAL cummruums: To pay amounts
°°°`°°°”°°' found due by the accounting officers of the Treasury on account of the
appropriation “Repairing roads to national cen1eteries,&quot; for the fiscal
year eighteen hundred and ninety-seven, seven dollars and eighty-two
cents.
Y¤l1¤w¤r¤m&gt; River. Ym.L0wsroNE Rrvnn, MoN·rANA: To pay amounts found due by
M'&quot;' the accounting officers of the Treasury on account of the appropriation
_ “Improving Yellowstone River, Montana,&quot; fifteen dollars and seventy-
nine cents.
mmuinn cm In- DEPORTATION OF REFUGEE CANADIAN CREE INDIANS: To pay
°“p'{§;m,u.,,.0rmm. amount  found due by the accounting onicers of the Treasury on
sw- account of the appropriation “Deportation of refugee Canadian Cree
Indians,&quot; eight dollars and sixty-six cents.
Hyxgiaunmz- scm1m' NAr1oNA1. norm Fon DISABLED v0LUN1·EEB s0LD1ERs.
unwsum. wa Noncruwnsrnnu Bmmou, AT MEWAUKEE, Wisconsin: For subsistence, namely: Pay of commissary-sergeants, commissary clerks, porters,
laborers, bakers, cooks, dishwashers, waiters, and others employed in the
subsistence department; the cost of all articles purchased for the regular ration, their freight, preparation, and serving; aprons, caps, and
jackets for kitchen and di11ing—room employees; of tobacco; of all
dining—roon1 and kitchen furniture and utensils; bakers’ and butchers’ _
tools and appliances, and their repair not done by the Home, fiscal
year eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, five hundred and fifty dollars.
ssnammcscn. PACIFIC BRANCH, AT SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA: For subsist
- ence, including the same objects specified under this head for the
Northwestern Branch, iiscal year eighteen hundred and ninety-eight,
one thousand dollars.
For household, namely: Expenditures for furniture for oi1icers’
quarters; for bedsteads, bedding, bedding material, and all other
articles required in the quarters of the members, and for their repair
if they are not repaired by the Home; for fuel, including fuel for cooking, heat, and light; for engineers and iiremen, bath-house keepers,
hall cleaners, laundrymen, gas and soap makers, and privy watchman,
and for all labor, materials, and appliances required for household use.
and for their repairs, unless the repairs are made by the Home, fiscal
year eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, one thousand and seventy-
five dollars.
For hospital, namely: Pay of assistant surgeons, matrons, druggists,
hospital clerks and stewards, ward masters, nurses, cooks, waiters,
readers, hospital carriage drivers, hearse drivers, gravediggers, funeral
escort, and for such other services as may be necessary for the care of
the sick; for surgical instruments and appliances, medical books,
medicine, liquors, fruits, and other necessaries for the sick not on the
regular ration; for bedsteads, bedding, and bedding material, and all
other articles necessary for the wards; for hospital, kitchen, and
dining-room furniture and appliances, including aprons, caps, and
Jackets for hospital, kitchen, and diningroom employees; carriage,
hearse, stretchers, collins; for tools of gravediggers, and for all repairs
to hospital furniture and appliances not done by the Home, fiscal year
gigpteen hundred and ninety-eight, three hundred and seventy-five
o ars.
M=¤¤¤·¥¤¢ _ MAuroN Bnnzcu, AT Mnron, INDIANA: For subsistence, including the same objects specified under this head for the Northwestern
Branch, fiscal year eighteen hundred and ninety-eight, five hundred
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prisons, and courts of inquiry, boards of inspection, examining boards,
with clerks’ and witnesses fees, and traveling expenses and costs;
stationery and recording; expenses of purchasing—paymasters’ offices
of the various cities, including clerks, furniture, fuel, stationery, and
incidental expenses; newspapers and advertising; foreign postage; telegraphing, foreign and domestic; telephones; copying; care of library,
including the purchase of books, photogra hs, prints, manuscripts,
and periodicals; ferriage, tolls, and express fees; costs of suits; commissions, warrants, diplomas, and disc arges; relief of vessels in distress; recovery of valuables from shipwrecks; quarantine expenses;
reports; (professional investigation; cost of special instruction, at home
or abroa , in maintenance of students and attaches and information
from abroad, and the collection and classification thereof, and other
necessarv and incidental expenses, six hundred thousand dollars: Pm- P'””“°·
Ivided, That hereafter in cases where orders are given to officers of the trxgfl °¤P°¤¤°’ °*
Navy or Marine Corps for travel to be performed repeatedly between `
two or more places in such vicinity as in the discretion of the Secretary of the Navy is appropriate, he may direct that actual and necessarggexpenses only be allowed.
NTINGENT, NAVY! For all emergencies and extraordinar expenses °°““&quot;*'°“‘·
arising at home or abroad, but impossible to be anticipate} or classified, exclusive of personal services in the Navy Department or any of
its subordinate bureaus or offices at Washington, District of Columbia,
ten thousand dollars. And that the unexpended balance of the appro-   ggggdw
priation of ten thousand dollars made in the Act approved June seventh, v01. ai, p. ass. `
nineteen hundred, to enable the Secretary`of the Navy, in his discretion, to cause to be trans rted to their homes the remains of officers
and enlisted men of the Ngvy and Marine Corps who die or are killed
in action, ashore or aiioat, outside of the continental limits of the
United States, be, and the same is hereby, made available until used.
EMERGENCY FUND, NAVY DEPARTMENT.
To meet unforeseen contingencies for the maintenance of the Navy Em°’8°“°Y*““‘*·
constantly arising, to be expended at the discretion of the President, `
one hundred thousand dollars: Rrwvided, That the accounting olzlicers ('?{;q';§*jf,w empmm,
of the Treas are hereby authorized and directed to allow, in the mamma paeesiom.
settlement ofuthe accounts of disbursing officers involved, payments
made under the appropriation “Emergency fund &quot; to civilian employees
appointed by the Navy Department for uty in and servin at naval
stations maintained in the island sessions during the fiscal year
nineteen hundred and two, and untilxsiirch time as Congress shall make
specific appropriation for the pay of such employees.
The Secretary of the Navy, in his discretion, is authorized to pay '¤`¤¤¤*¤P·Y·
all civilian em loyees appointed for duty in the Philippine, Hawaiian,
and Samoan isiands, the island of Guam, and the islan of Porto Rico,
from the date of their sailing from the United States until they report
for duty to the omcer under whom they are to serve, and while returning to the United States by the most direct route and with due expedition, a per diem compensation corresponding to their pav while actually employed; and in cases where the appointee is not to fill an existing
vacancy his pay while traveling may be charged to the annual appropriation of the bureau concerned.
BUREAU or NAVIGATION. ,,(§l‘f’*“ °‘ N“&quot;g’—*‘
TRLYSPORTAHON, RECRUITING, AND CONTINGENT: Expenses of recruit- cr'g{gg;?°,{{$iggh,{§j
ing for the naval service; rent of rendezvous and expenses of main- gem.
taining the same; advertising for men and boys, and a l other expenses
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 32 Part 1.djvu/1042</title>
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      <text bytes="3846" sha1="qxvh4gsl8n67trut9avwu6m1co4ff45" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;F IFTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. H. Ch. 992. 1903. 977
tailoring, drugs and medical supplies, furniture and bedding, kitchen ‘
utensils, and other necessary items and services, sixty thousand dollars.
The nnexpended balance of the appropriations heretofore made for
erection of a workhouse for males is hereby made available for the
construction of cells in the old workhouse for males.
For repairs to buildings, plumbing, painting, lumber, hardware,
cement, lime, oil, tools, cars, tracks, steam heating and cooking apparatus, two thousand dollars. ·
Fon REFORM SoHo0L: For superintendent, one thousand five hun- R°f°&quot;”‘S°&quot;°°*·
dred dollars; assistant superintendent, one thousand dollars; teachers `
and assistant teachers, five thousand seven hundred dollars; matron of
school, six hundred dollars; four matrons of families, at one hundred
and eighty dollars each; two foremen of workshops, at six hundred
and sixty dollars each; farmer, four hundred and eighty dollars; engineer, three hundred and ninety-six dollars; assistant engineer, three
hundred dollars; baker, cook, shoemaker, and tailor, at three hundred
dollars each; laundress, one hundred and eighty dollars; two diningroom servants, seamstress, and chambermaid, at one hundred and forty-
four dollars each; florist, three hundred and sixty dollars; watchmen,
·not to exceed six in number, one thousand six hundred and twenty
dollars; secretary and treasurer to board of trustees, six hundred dollars; in all, sixteen thousand five hundred and fifty-two dollars.
FOI' support of inmates, including groceries, iiour, feed, meats, dry
goods, leather, shoes, gas, fuel, hardware, furniture, tableware, farm
implements, seeds, harness and repairs to same, fertilizers, books,
stationery, plumbing, painting, glazing, medicines and medical attendance, stock, fencing, repairs to buildings, and other necessary items,
including compensation, not exceeding nine hundred dollars, for additional labor or services, and for transportation and other necessary
expenses incident to securing suitable homes for discharged boys, not
exceeding five hundred dollars, all under the control of the Commissioners, twenty-six thousand dollars. .
For repairs, one thousand Eve hundred dollars.
Rmronm SoHo0L Fon GIRLS: Superintendent, one thousand dollars: G#§‘§i°&quot;“ S°h°°1 f°&quot;
treasurer, six hundred dollars; matron, six hundred dollars; two teachers, at four hundred and eighty dollars each; overseer, seven hundred
and twenty dollars; four teachers of industries, at three hundred dollars each; engineer, six hundred dollars; assistant engineer, four hundred and twenty dollars; night watchman, three hundred and sixty-five
dollars; laborer, three hundred dollars; in all, six thousand seven hundred and sixty-five dollars;
For groceries, provisions, light, fuel, soap, oil, lamps, candles, clothing, shoes, forage, horseshoeinggmedicines, medical attendance, hack
hire, transportation, labor, sewing machines, fixtures, books, stationery
horses, vehicles, harness, cows, pigs, fowls, sheds, fences, repairs, and
other necessary items, ten thousand dollars;
ln all, sixteen thousand seven hundred and sixty-five dollars.
For building and equipping brick building to be used to house men
em loyees and for storerooms, six thousand dollars. _ _
r&amp;ANSPORTAT'ION or rmsosmzs: For conveying prisoners to the ,,¤£”§T&quot;p°m“g &quot;&quot;S`
workhouse, two thousand dollars.
Mizmciu. Crmurrms. H°'“&quot;°°1s‘
For the Freedmen’s Hospital and Asylum, as follows: ai. °° S Hm&quot;
For subsistence, twenty-one thousand five hundred dollars;
For salaries and compensation of the surgeon in chief, not to exceed
three thousand dollars; two assistant sur eons, clerk, assistant clerk,
pharmacist, assistant pharmacist, stewarxi engineer, matron, nurses,
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 34 Part 1.djvu/320</title>
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RESCUING smrwREoxED AMERICAN SEAMEN.
n;·,.if°·¤·'*¤€*°°**¤** Expenses which may be incurred in the acknowledgment of 'the
` services of masters an crews of foreign vessels in rescuing American
seamen .or citizens from shipwreck, four thousand five hundred dollars.
EXPENSES UNDER THE NEUTRALITY ACT.
. ¤¤1;¤¤¤¤¤· ¤¤¤*·¤¤· To meet the necessary expenses attendant upon the execution of the
nyu` neutrality Act, to be expended under the direction of the President,
R. s., mam, p.4a pursuant to the requirement of section two hundred and ninety-one of
the Revised Statutes, eight thousand dollars, or so much thereof as
may be necessary.
EMERGENUIES ARISING IN THE DIPLOMATIC AND CONSULAR sERv1oE.
Uénymwn vmer- To enable the President to meet unforeseen emergencies arising in
gm °°' the diplomatic and consular service, and to extend the commercial and
n.s.,m.2s1,p.4a. other interests of the United States, to be expended pursuant to the
requirement of section two hundred and ninety-one of the Revised
Statutes, ninety thousand dollars, or so much thereof as may be
necessary.
ALLowANcE TO wmows OR HEIBS or DIPIDMAHC orr·1oERs wuo DIE-
· ABROAD. (
mhmegttpnlgemcf Payment, under the provisions of section seventeen hundred and
mf,L·°°T,m°Zm 4;-°;°§`g forty-nine of the Revised Statutes of the United States, to the widows
‘*§__°af;w_,,4,’p·8u_ or heirs at law of diplomatic or consular officers of the United States
dying in foreign countries in the discharge of their duties, five thousand
dollars.
TRANSPORTING REMAINS on D11&gt;LoMAT1o OFFICERS., CONSULS, ,AND
0oNsULAR oI.ERKs TO THEIR HOMES Fon INTERMENT.
B,*'i¤¤i h·&gt;!¤¤= M- Defraying the expenses of transporting the remains of diplomatic
mucundinmmmm and consular officers of the United States, including consular clerks,
who have died or may die abroad or in transit. while in the discharge
of their official duties, to their former homes in this country for interment, and for the ordinary and necessary expenses of such interment,
at their post or at home, five thousand dollars.
INTERNATIONAL BUREAU or wnierrrs ANI) MEASURES.
m:¤1¤¤$¤¤{{,*g{:{·§Bi;;:‘i Contribution to the maintenance of the International Bureau of
Mmmm. Weights and Measures for the year ending June thirtieth, nineteen
V°”°*’·7“· hun red and seven, in conformity with the terms of the convention of
May twenty-fourth, eighteen hundred and seventy-five, the same, or
S0 much thereof as may be necessary, to be paid, under the direction
of the Secretary of State, to said Bureau, on its certificate of apportionment, two thousand three hundred and six dollars and ninety-three
cents.
wi:S:g_¤‘£¤é»:}mo;» INTERNATIONAL BUREAU ron rUnm0AT1oN or CUSTOMS TARIEFS.
To meet the share of the United States in the annual expense for
the year ending March thirty-first, nineteen hundred and seven, of
sustaining the International Bureau at Brussels for the translation and
publication of customs tariffs, one thousand five hundred dollars; this
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at a cost not exceeding forty-tive dollars for such burial expenses in
each case, exclusive 0 cost of grave, three thousand dollars.
ANTIETAM BATTLEFIELD: For repair and preservation of monuments, A¤¤¤¤¤¤ battlefield.
tablets, observation tower, roads, and fences, and so forth, made and Miispnm, em
constructed by the United States upon public land within the limits
gf abc Antietam battlefield, near Sharpsburg, Maryland, three thousand
o ars.
For pay of superintendent of Antietam battlefield, said superintend- S“P°&quot;¤'*°¤°°¤*·
ent to perform is duties under the direction of the Quartermastefs
Department and to be selected and a pointed by the Secretary of War,
at IS discretion, the person selected) and appointed to this position to
gelim honorably discharged Union soldier, one thousand five hundred
0 ars.
For grading, improving, and inclosing with rubble stone wall, topped m£l¤°1°&quot; m °““'
with wrought-iron fence, the lot on Antietam battlefield in which the
monument in memory of the late President William McKinley was
erected by the State of Qhio; and for grading and improving the
approach road thereto from the Burnside Bridge, three thousand
do lars.
BRINGING 1I01m THE REMAINS or OFFICERS AND Sonnmns wuo mn mE§§§,'§§, §‘§,“§§,f°'
A1moAD: To enable the Secretary of War, in his discretion, to cause
to be transported to their homes the remains of officers and soldiers
who die at military camps or who are killed in action, or who die in
the field or hospital in Alaska, and at places outside of the limits of
the United States, or who die while on voyage at sea, twenty-two
thousand dollars. · _
BBINGING Home THE REMAINS or CIVIL Em=•I.orEEs or THE ARMY mgzigqgswavmelw
WH0 DIE ABROAD AND s0I.DIERs WH0 DIE ON TRANSPORTSZ To enable msmiiwxmeismfncil;
the Secretary of War, in his discretion, to cause to be transported to °“ ’·”‘“'P°&quot;‘*
their homes the remains of civilian employees of the Armly who have
died or may hereafter die while in the employ of the War epartment
in Cuba, Porto Rico, Hawaii, China, Alaska, and the Philippines, includin the remains of any honorablv discharged soldiers who are
entitlegd under the terms of their discharge to return transportation
on Government transport, and who die w ile on said transport, two
thousand five hundred dollars.
CoNEEonaAtrE MoUND, OAKWOOD CEMETERY, CHICAGO; For care, C€£2¤;f¤g¤¤¢¤M¤¤¤d.
protection, and maintenance of the plot of ground known as &quot;Con— g `
federate Mound&quot; in Oakwood Cemetery, Chicago, two hundred and
fifty dollars.
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY, VIRGINIA: For continuing grad- ·““¤¤*°¤·V¤-
ing, draining, makingroads, planting trees, and otherwise preparing
the grounds in the addition to the Ar mgton, Virginia, National Ceme—
tery, ten thousand dollars. _
For construction of a neW Sf~Bbl0 at the Arlington, V11‘ginia, National S”‘bl°-
Cemetery, to replace one destroyed by iire; for the installationof a
water main and proper fire system, and for placing a heating system
in the mansion at that national cemetery, twe ve thousand dollars.
(jnrrrsnuno NA·r1oNAL CEMETERY, PENNSYLVANIA: For the con- G¢¤¤¤¤=s·P•»
struction of a lodge for the use of the superintendent, six thousand
dollars.
NA·rro1uI, CEBIETEBY, KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE: For construction of K¤c·xv¤1e.'1’en¤.
a lodge for the use of the superintendent and for new gateway, six
thousand dollars.
MARX1N:: CIVILIAN GRAVES IN POQT GEMETERIES:_ For completing   in
the marking of the civilian graves ID post cemeteries, two thousan Pm '
llars. —
d0Cmm*mnY, SAN JUAN, PORTQ RICO1 Fo!' the purchase of two acres mmoppd
of land near San Juan, Porto Rico, for use as a post cemetery, three '
hundred dollars.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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BRINGING noun ORIMZINALS.
Actual expenses incurred in bringing home from foreign countries m,}&quot;,*¤,gf¤8 h°m°
persons charged with crime, seven thousand dollars.
nEscU1Ne smrwnncxnn AMERICAN SEAMEN.
Expenses which   be incurred in the acknowledgment of the mg·1;§é¤¤vi¤z testiservnces of masters an crews of foreign vessels in rescuing American `
siesipien or citizens from shipwreck, four thousand five hundred
0 ars.
EXPENSES UNDER THE NEU*rnA1.rrY ACT.
To meet the necessary expenses attendant upon the execution of the u_5;1&gt;¤¤;¤¤¤. neuneutrality Act, to be expended under the' direction of the President, R. sirgeé. 291,p.49.
pursuant to the requirement of section two hundred and ninety-one
of the Revised Statutes, eight thousand dollars.
EMEBGENCIES ARISING IN THE DIPLOMATIO AND CONSULAB. sEnv1cE.
To enable the President to meet unforeseen emeiggencies arising in iguioremu ewes
the diplomatic and consular service, and to exten the commercial °°x?ii°i'Sec.2s1,p.4o.
and other interests of the United States, to be expended pursuant
to the reéluirement of section two hundred and mnety-one of the
Revised tatutes, ninety thousand dollars. `
ALLOWANCE ·ro wmows on HEIBS or DIPLOMATIC ormcnns wno
DIE ABROAD.
Payment, under the provisions of section seventeen hundred and Ofnlpgyaucc rg liens
forty-nine of the Revised Statutes of the United States, to the m$...{°°&quot; Y &quot;‘
widows or heirs at law of diplomatic or consular officers of the
United States dying in foreign countries in the discharge of their
duties, five thousand dollars.
TRANSPORTING REMAINS or DIPLOMATIC orrwnns, CONSULS, AND
&quot; CONSULAR ASSISTANTS ·ro THEIR norms FOR INTERMENT.
For defrayinv the expenses of transporting the remains of diplo- B'*¤F*¤¢ '*°'¤• *•&gt;
matic and consliilar officers of the United States, including consular mm Momma
assistants, who have died or may_ die abroad or in transit, while in
the discharge of their official duties, to their former homes in this
country for interment, and for the ordinary and necessariy ezipenses
of such interment, at their post or at home, five thousan dollars. ‘
INTERNATIONAL BUREAU or wnrorrrs AND MEAsUREs.
Contribution to the maintenance of the Intemational Bureau of reglwofgggggggls gg
Weights and Measures in_ conformity with the terms of the convention iisssui-es.
of 3 ay twenty-fourth, eighteen hundred and seventy-five, the same, V°l·2°·l&quot; 71**
or so much thereof as may be necessary, to be paid, under the direction ot the Secretary of State, to said bureau on its certificate of
apportionment, two thousand eight hundred and ninety-five dollars.
INTERNATIONAL BUREAU Fon PUBLICATION or cUs·r0Ms ·rAn1r·Fs.
To meet the share of the United States in the annual expense for Incernaggnul CHS-
the year ending March thirty-first, nineteen hundred and twelve, of °°{'?§[r§ P, digi&quot;'
sustaining the international bureau at Brussels for the translation and
publication of customs tariifs, one thousand five hundred dollars;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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and of proficiency in the usual subjects of a standard dental college
course: Provided, That the contract dental surgeons attached to the ,¤}§{8[,*;’f}gfS,fjge$)Q]';·
Medical Department at the time of the passage of this Act ma be `
eligible for appointment as first lieutenants, dental corps, without
limitation as to agp: And provided further, That the professional w£§eg’”*““‘*°¤¤
examination for suc appointment may be waived in the case of con- `
tract dental surgeons in the service at the time of the passage of this
Act whose efficiency re rts and entrance examinations are satisfactory. The Secretary cfm War is authorized to appoint boards of three B°“d°*”°m*¤°*¤·
examiners to conduct the examinations herem prescribed, one of
whom shall be a surgeon in the Army and two of whom shall be
selected by the Secretary of War from the commissioned dental surgeons.
uunaau or INSULAR uname. Aggfgu 0* *¤¤¤*¤*
CARE or INSANE FILIPIN0 sommns: For the care, maintenance, diggsm 0* imma ¤¤*·
and treatment at asvlums in the Philippine Islands of insane natives ririrrpprue rsrrmas.
of the Phili pine Islands cared for in such institutions conformably
to the Act olf Congress a roved May eleventh, nineteen hundred and V°l· 2** P- *22-
eight, three thousand dollliirs.
CABE or INSANE sowmns, PORTO R100 Rmeumnr or INFANTBY: *’°”° R‘°°·
For the care maintenance and treatment at asylums in Porto Rico
_ of insane soldiers of the l’orto Rico Regiment of Infantry, seven
hundred and twenty dollars.
mmrunza DEPARTMENT- mE£?l&quot;°°”' P°&quot;‘&quot;'
Erzemmmz nmrors: For incidental ex nses for the depots, includ- M*,;¤g*•*g*°**°*P*=¤¤¤¤
ing fuel, lights, chemicals, stationery, ligrdware, machinery, pa of P0 '
civilian clerks, mechanics, and laborers, extra-duty pay to soldiers
necessarily em loyed for periods not less than ten days as artificers
on work in addition to and not strictly in the line of their military
duties, such as carppnters, blacksmiths, draftsmen, printers, lithographers, photograp ers, engine drivers, telegraph operators, teamsters, wheelwrights, masons, machinists, painters, overseers, laborers;
for lumber and materials and for labor for packing and crating
engineer supplies; repairs of, and for materials to repair, public
bugdings, machinery, and unforeseen expenses, twenty thousand
dollars. -
For purchase and repair of instruments to be issued to officers of ,u§“1_{1°h§g:°,;L °*°-· °*
the Corps of Engineers and to officers detailed and on duty as acting
engiineer officers for use on public works and surveys, ten thousand
dollars.
Ervemmm Scnoor, Wasnmerox, Drsrrrrcr or Comrmsrxz E uip- §s¤s*¤€°f Sg*¤&gt;¤*·
ment and maintenance of the Engineer School at Washingtondiar- iiciullgmma mm
racks, District of Columbia, including purchase of instruments, Eqmpmem
machinery, implements, models, and materials, for the use of the
school and for instruction of engineer troops in their special duties as
sappers and miners; for land mining, pontoniering, and signaling;
for purchase and binding of professional works and periodicals of
recent date treatin of military and civil engineering and kindred
scientific subjects ger the library of the United States Engineer rueraeumrexpeuses.
School; for incidental expenses of the school, including fuel, lights, ·
chemicals, stationery, hardware, machinery, and boats; for ay of
civilian clerks, draftsmen, electricians, mechanics, and laborers;
compensation of civilian lecturers and payment of tuition fees of
student officers at civil technical institutions; for extra-duty pay
to soldiers necessarily employed for eriods not less than ten days as
artiiicers on work in addition to and) not strictly in the line of their
military duties, such as carpenters, blacksmiths, draftsmen, printers,
lithographers, photographers, cme drivers, telegraph operators,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Giller, Charles H.. Pere- Gladlsh, Jeremiah 0., Page
pension increased . . - . 1544 pension increased ..,,..,,,_,..,,,____ 1918
Gi leepier Jvlm, Glasford, Isaac M.,
pension increased .. . . 1984 ension increased ... - ..,_.___ 1723
Ge MW. J08¢Ph V-. Glgser, Emil,
pension increased . , , , 2092 ggansion inpreosod ________________________ 2113
Gr leerner Mwvveh T., G er, Louis H. (son),
pension rncreased ..,.__ _ _ _ ·_ _ _ 1724 ngior; ____________________ _ _________ _ _ _ _ 2076
Gr lespie, Samuel F. B., Glggr, ’
Y€¤Bi0¤ m€T€8¤€d ·-··-----·-··---.- . . 1792 duty 011, articles, decorated, etc . - ..,. 19
Gi lespie, Thmrrws G., bottles, etc., plain ____________________ _ _ 19
Gipension increased .. . . 1726 bottles, etc., decorated, etc ,_,,,,_______ 19
liland, Damkl, cast, crown, etc., when bent, decorated,
Gipension increased ..,, 1889 etc., additional ,,,___ _ _____________ 20
lis, _Mqlc0l*m, cylinder and crown, {polished, ,,,_____,_ 20
credit 1Il PORTAI1 8CCO\1Dl»S ... . .  1907 cylinder, crown, an common window,
Grllum, Ellen (wrdow), 832 mgginpolisheil _,,_, _ __________________ 19
nS1011 IDC , , , , 1 1 e ename ,,,_,,_ , ,,_,_____ _ _ _______ 21
Galllmn, Charles A., alws Charles Abbott, ound or lished stri risms etc- . - 20
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el&quot;’““°‘ki‘Z§n'°3°i“;sss; ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘·‘‘ “‘°5 m°““°°ss  ‘*‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘’‘‘‘‘ i&quot;
more, . w , J c- n rn s es .,.,_,_____,______ _ 1
sion increased  1679 manufactures oi, not specially providgd
Gilmezre, Hiram, for ..,.,,.,,,,___, , ,_,_____ 21
nsion increased  2108 mirrors ,,,,,, . ,,,,,_,______ _ _ _ 21
G‘Il¥l$l0T€, James A., opal or cylinder tiling .,,,_,,,,_,__ _ ____ 21
pension increased  . ...,,.. 2098 opera glasses, telescopes, etc ___,____ _ _ _ 21
Gi mare, John E., p ste, flutpd, rolled, or rough ,,,,,______, 20
pension increased ..., 1517 plate, polished cast .,,,,,,,.,___ _ _ _ 20
Gi more, S. L., laleakepresenlativein Congress, plate, (polished cast, silvered ...,_,_, 20
deficiency zppropristion for widow of  1317 stains or painted windows ,._,___, 21
Gzlmmc, Jose , sppgztscles, etc  , ,__ __ 20
Gtpensrcénténcreased .. . . 1688 on 50121; gpsamel, white, for watch and 76
mm, , · _ _ : ,_,_,
Glpension ,..,.. , - . - 2063 plates or dxslas, rppghycut, for opticgl iri- 7
mpc, strumen , e ...,,,,..___ _ ____ 6
fllllry OD, VKOOIGD- .:.. . 54 Glass,   Bw
Gin (W D1¤l7lll€d_SP1¤l¤¤)- nsion increased  . ..,,___ 1683
Gwdlesparger, Wzlluzm, Glggrpm-z, Paw
1&gt;€¤¤10¤ i¤€1’€=“=*9€d -··-··—--·---·-·----·-·· 1933 bridge authorized across Mononguhols
G’m9¢*’, River, Wilson to .,_ , _ _ _ 195
duty gnr,¤l¢ 0* beer ·-·----—--··---··----- jg}, enreemr ssenem
ull la ‘ ‘ ‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘’‘··‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘ nsionyincreasedl .,. _ _ _ _ 1987
Gi ';f‘}‘§,;,;; ··‘‘ ‘ ············‘·‘‘‘‘‘‘‘‘·‘‘‘ 4° Gllxdr. _Edwcrd S-. _ _ _
gg {me ust,. `mgmund' not preserved, . · · _ ,,9 Gle;a£;;•;ricy”azp£hr&lt;;pmtion for services ...,.. 1319
Ginn, Rebecca E. (wrklow), ,,,,,0,, kncmved 2067
Gipengion inigpgoased ,_,,,,,_,_,,,...,...,,,, 2086 Glgzcw `''''''''`'`'''''' '''''
pe, amue ·. ’ · ·.
pension increased  1669 Glg?i2.,8?lB,£?:g,,§gr mmmlm etc&quot; Nudes ''’' 15
G&quot;“uh· Edward Ru on free list not det 75
Gipgnsion increased  1795 Gl,u,,,,._,» Legg `'``''`’''''‘`'``''' &quot; ‘
ers, ’
duty &lt;&gt;¤- iron cr ¤*·=¢l ----·-·-·------~-·-- 22 c;Zl$ZZ’Zr°`€i»,Q£zL3`s `°`'‘°‘‘'‘'‘°‘`‘‘'‘‘‘‘°‘‘‘ 30
G‘l'k*· A“$I“*'l Fu pension increased 1634
G,,P;v~;,·;;·,;=;$*_;,~·,,,$§§·-j,·;;_; ·-···-·---·---·- 175* cam., o...,ea.. cj ‘‘°°‘`‘‘‘‘‘‘‘'°‘‘‘‘‘°
appropriation for expenses . 407, 998 Peumgu mglreesed ······· · ·····-·····-—-·- 1523
Given, lbert P., l Gl&quot;&quot;&quot;• . °’?p ·
pension increased ..,. . ... 1551 llggmlin 1,f;’°”°d ·········· · ········----· 1904
Gwen, William, G nv . M. ·
gension increased .,. .  2048 p°“m°Iigmc’°”*l’*,; ······················-- 1686
G cier Natioru1lParlc, Mont., 1 Gimme {EPM -·
appropriation for improvement, etc  745, 1421 ,l;‘i;‘?,°';lmE:vI°“Y°d ··················· · ···- 1522
established; boundaries ... 354 G a :’· . · { ·¤ I. . .
tmpmwm to be ,,,,,,,),.,,,-1 _________________ 354 appropriation ordpub nc; building    . 1372
valid existing claims not affected .. Z . . 354 \ acquuing 61*;*,1**-*1. ewcting Public bmldmg
rights of way for railroads, or reclamation en ***1 Onzed ······--··-··-··---·· 686
rqject,5 _______,...,_,. . ... 354   Glenwood Springs, Colo.,_
lends olleirrred by railroads, ctc., not a basis 2 granted lands for public park . 459
for indemnity selections  354 1 Glessner. Guy (s&lt;m&gt;,'
regulations for care, etc., to be made .. 354 { pension, . 1770
leases permitted for inns, cottages, etc  355 1 Globe, Ang., _ _
removal of mature, etc., timber .. 355 appropriation for public building ..,,.____, 1372
Gladding, Charles H., K scqmring site for public building at, nupension increased-  . ... . .···-...-. 1492 i-l10¤Z¢d -·-·...·- . . 688&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ROI DE PORTUGAL ET DES AIA}A.BVES; SA MAJESTE ‘
LE ROI DE BOUMANIE; SA MAJESTE L  DE
TOUTES LES RUSSIES; SA MAJESTE LE ROI DE SUEDE;
LE PRESIDENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE DE UURUGUAY,
mymt rwoxmu lfutilité dojixer do commnm accord cutgims rtgks
_ormes en mmém d’•ss1st.•.nco et do smvehgo maritimes, out
d6c1dédoconc1umunoC0nvonti¤nicetof¤tct‘0utnmnunép0ur
Lou:-s Plénipotentiains s•voir:
SA MAJESTE UEMZPEBEUB UALLEMAGNE, ROI DE &quot;&quot;¤°&quot;'*‘*'*'~
PBUSSE, AU NOM DE UEMPIRE  : .
M. Kncxn nn Scuwn·rn1n¤1n·, Chugé d’AE•ires •l’Al1o·
magna 5. Bruxelles; ·
M. 1 D' Snucxmnm Conséillar Iniimn Supéni Régum,
Coiaseillcr npportouxfm Dépsrtement Impéml do la, Justice.
LE PRESIDENT DE LA REPUBLIQUE  
S. E . M. A. B Eu ` et Ministn
Pléigpotzntiniro ¥&amp;‘:lc:sE6pul:I?1{g?z¤  sa. Majcsté
le Bon des Bclgcs;
SA MAJESTE UEMPEREUB DZAUTRIGHE, ROI DE BO-
HEME, ETC., ET ROI APOSTOLIQUE DE HONGRIE:
POUR UAUTBICHE ET POUR LA HONGRIE:
S. Exc. M. le Comte I3! Cnnr gt Axopigtcmzc, Son Envcyé Ex—
tnordinaim et Mimstre Plémpotonhnms pris Ss Mnyesté lo
Boi dep Bolgs; · ‘
POUR L’AU&quot;IfRIGHE:
M.le1)'S·r§mmWon§¢s,Conssi1krd¤Sactiu¤•uMinistAn
I. R. Autrichiau du Commerce.
POUR LA HONGRIE:
M. lo D' Fun nn Near Secrétniro d’Etat e. r., Professeur
ordimira A lgrfiversité lioyuln de Budapest, Membre do la
Cbnmbro Hongraiso des Députés.
SA MAJESTE LE ROI DES BEIBES:
M. Bzuu¢.m¤•r Ministu d’Etat, Présidmt du Comité Maritime l
Inumstionni;
M. Ayn.u:,E 6Extnord° ’ tMinistrePléni tinire,
Dgroctour 621;:31 du Commlgrzems: des Consulats  
des Alain! Etnng%1·¤¤;·
M. Gu. L: Jxmm, Vicc·Président du Comité Mnritime Intumtionsl; *&quot;
M, Lo En: Mambre d l Chambrs d Rs résm
B m s . GEC? ldu CP .:6 it .|. In “ |.P 1;*****%
M. P. Smus, Membro do In Cbambro des Représcutmta.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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w¤*·¤· Wi Delavan, Wisconsin, post officez For continuation of building under
· resent lim't $25 000. _ ‘
D¤¤B*¤·T¤’~ P Del Rio,1 zfexas, post office and courthouse: For completion of
building' und resent limit $33,000. _ _
Benson, 1¤v¤· as Denison, Iglwli, post officei: For completion of building under preeentlimit, $25,000. _ _ _ _
D°¤&quot;-*·°°'°· s Denver, Colorado, post office: For continuation of building under
present limit, $200,000. _ _ _ _ d _
D•¤°°°·*° e ,~ De Soto, Missouri, post office: For continuation of building un er
resent limit $15 000. _ _
1&gt;¤¤g¤».Wy¤· P Douglas, Wyoming, post oiliee: For completionof bmlding under
present limit, $25,000. _ _ _ _
1&gt;¤q¤¤*¤· m- Duquom, Illmois, post officez For continuation of building under
present l` t, $28 000. _ _ _ _
m&quot;‘“*&quot;m°·m· Edwarclmdlville, lllinois, post office: For contmuatmn of buildmg
under present limit, $25,000. _ _ _ p
m’°&quot;&quot;”·“°· » Elberton, Georgia, post office: For completion of building under
resent limit $15 000.
m**¤*· W- &quot;“·   Elkins, West Virginia, post office: For completion of building under
present limit, $35,000. _ _ _
m'°°·*·‘¤°· ,.. Elwood, Indiana, post office: For completxon of building under
presentlimit $10,000. _ _ _ p
E“‘*“'°··“’· Eufaula, Alabama, post office: For completion of bu1lding under
resent limit $10 000.
K““*°'*»m· P Evanston, illlinbis, post ofdce: For completion of the enlargement,
extension, remodeling, or unprovement of building under present
limit, $10,000.
E‘°°“°‘ . “*”'”'”* · Excelsior Sp Missouri t office: For continuation of build-
Kg } }
` d  t, $10,00dim
’*’“”'°&quot;‘»w·Y&quot;· ml?‘l1a.§m8;1£:, West Virginia, post office: For completion of building
under present limit, $40,000.
&quot;°*'°“°'m°» '*`““’· Fayetteville _ Tennessee, post office: For continuation of building
underpresentlimit, $10,000. _ _ _
“°”°°°··“‘— Florence, Alabama, post office: For completwn of building under
Fm In a present  $30 000. _ _ _
““&quot;°”· “Fort Madison, Iowa, post officez For completion of building under
md present limit, $30,000. _ _ _
&quot;““&quot;&quot;» · Frankfort, Indiana, post office: For completion of building under
present limit $35,000.
’**'*”¤·I·•·   IJOUISIBDB, post office: For completion of building under
mm N Y present hmzt, $10,000. _ _ _
· · · Fulton, New York, post office: For contmuation of building under
Gmdmvul present hmit, $50,000. _ _ _
Gadsden, Alabama, post office: For completion of bmlding under
mmm S C present limit, $20,000. _
' ° Gaffney, S0llbl1• Carolma, poet offices For completion of building
Gm,md_ under present l1m1t, $10,000. _ _
Gary, ·II1(l1&amp;I1&amp;, post office: For contmuation of building under
Gmm_N_C_ present lxrmt $20,000. _
Gastoma, l\Tortli Carolma, post office: For completion of building
mm Ky under present limit, $25,000. _ I
°°°‘K° * · Georgetown, _Kentucky, post office: For continuation of building
Gettysburg, Pa ungggtprisent lgmt, $5,000, _ I •
ys urg, _ ennsylvama, post office: For completion of building
Gm Fam N Y under present limit, $17,000.
* ‘ ‘ Glens Falls, New York, post office: For continuation of building
G md xmder present limit, $5,000.
°°**“&quot;· ‘ Goshen, Indiana, post office: For completion of building under
°&quot;‘“&quot;‘· w·&quot;“ pm§B§PtohmltVV$22  ° 1; Hi F 1
rn,esn·a,osoce: ‘ &quot;
under present limit, $€0I?1000i) or comp (mon of bmldmg&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the use of courts-martial on board ship;) purchase, repair, and exchange of typewriters for ships; packingg xes and materials; interior
fittings for general storehouses, pay 0 ces, and accormting offices in
navy yards; coffee mills and repairs thereto; expenses of naval clothing factory and machinery for the same; modernizing laboratory
equipment and bringing the same up to date; purchase of articles of
equipage at home and abroad under the cognizance of the Bureau of
Supplies and Accounts, and for the payment of labor in equippi
vowels therewith, and the manufacture of such articles in the seve:5
navy ya.rds· muscial instruments and music; mess outfits; soap on
board naval, vessels; athletic outfits; tolls, ferriages, yeomerfs stores
safes newspapers, and other incidental expenses· abor in general ub&quot;'
storehouses, paymasters’ offices, and accormting offices in navy yards
and naval stations, including naval stations maintained in island
possessions under the control of the United States, and expenses in
andling stores purchased and manufactured under &quot;Genera account
of advances&quot;; and reimbursement to appropriations of the Depart- F°°‘&quot;&quot;”‘°°°°”‘
ment of Agriculture of cost of inspection of meats and meat food _
products for the Navy Department: Proqalled, That the sum to be €§§'§°,,;,l, umm,
paid out of this appropriation, rmder the direction of the Secretary of °*°·· °°&quot;*°°¤·
the Navy, for chemists and for clerical, inspection, and messenger
service in the general storehouses, paymasters offices, and accounting
offices of the navy yards and nava stations for the fiscal year ending
June thirtieth, nineteen hrmdred and fifteen, shall not exceed $643,000;
in all, $2,031 487.25. _
Funrenr, Bunmu or Surrams Arm Aooourrrs: All freight and ,,,E 
express charges pertaining to the Navy Department and its ureaus
except the tra.nsm%»rtation of coal for the Bureau of Supphes and
Accounts, $525, . Om, M
Corn. arm TRANSPORTATIONZ Coal and other fuel for steamers’ and '
ships’ use, including expenses of transportation, storage, and handling
the same; maintenance and general operation of machinery of nava
coaling depots and coalintghplants; water for all purposes on board
naval vessels; and ice for e coolirpi of water, inc udrng the expense -
of transportation and storage of be , $4,800,000. _ N N su I
Those portions of the Acts of June twenty-fifth, mneteen hundred mit. &quot;&quot; ’ °°`
aud ten, and March fourth, nineteen hundred and eleven which ,,,§,“&quot;§,°°b°°Pg’,$g‘({;{‘,;*_;
create the ‘ ‘ Naval supply account &quot; under the Bureau of Supplies and rpg? rapigmxsgg gum
Accounts, are hereb so modified and amended that hereafter the °vti.iie,`§Eivtz,im.
a praised value of all stores, equipage, and su(pplies turned in from
sllirps, and shi ’ equi age turned in from yar s or stations (except
salv e), shallpbe credited to the current appropriations concerned,
andatllre amounts so credited shall be available or expenditures for p°·g;;”¤*&gt;‘° ‘°'°*·
the same purposes as the appropriations credited; and all Acts or
partslog Acts in so far as they conflict with this provision are hereby
re ea e .
P Bunmu or ooxsraucrrorx AND nrzrarn. mliui-i$°riipgiiiS°m°
C0NsTRU0’r1o1v Arm rznram or vussms: For preservation and ,,§,°‘,§¥§.'{.‘,.‘§‘§§,” “&quot;°&quot;‘
completion of vessels on the stocks and in ordinary; purchase of materials and stores of all kinds; steam steerers, plneumatrc steerers, steam
capstans, steam windlasses, air craft, and a other auxilraries; labor
in navy yards and on foreign stations; purchase of machinery and
tools for use in shops; carrying on work of experimental model tank;
designing naval vessels; construction and repair offyard craft, lighters,
and barges; wear, tear, and re air of vessels oat; genera care
increase, and protection of the lgavy in the line of construction and
re air; incidental expenses for vessels and navy yards, inspectors?
o§ces, such as photographing, books, professional magazines, plans
stationery, and instruments for drafting room, and for pay of classified&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 38 Part 1.djvu/465</title>
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N¤¤¤*¤¤*Y •°* ¤· essary ensee attendant u n the execution of the neutrality
page;. sw. 29i,1&gt;·49- Rift, to be£¤§;c;&gt;ended pursuantptz the requirement of section two
hundred and ninety-one of the Revised Statutes, $75,000, together
$°$lf”£i?;i°Y6°5Ii?b1°' with the unexpen ed balance of the a propriation made for this
object for the fiscatluyear nineteen   and fourteen, which is
hereby reappropria and made available for this p1u·pose.
ALLOWANCE *1*0 wuiows on mums or m1*n0uAT10 cmrrcnns wno
Dm ABB»0AD.
 °°m°°” Payment under the provisions of section seventeen hundred and
gg- S-· ¤°¢· 17*% P- forty-nine of the Revised Statutes of the United States, to the
widows or heirs at law of diplomatic or consular officers of the United
gtaotgg dying in foreign countries in the discharge of their duties,
5, . I
TBANBPORTING Bmnms or Dmmmmo omucme, consume, AND
OONSULAB ASSIBTANTB 1*0 mmm Bonms ron m*rm¤mN·r.
*&quot;`“‘€°*‘;§,,,,&quot;,°‘“°,, ’°‘ For defray1ng' the expenses of   the  ;· ··»: of lomm I matic and consular omcers of the United States, including cortililar
assistants, who have died or may die abroad or in transit, while in
the disc}}arge of their omésigl dtulties, to their fsrmer homes m this
coun or interment an or e ord1nary` an necessary expenses
of sutclginterment, at their post or at home, $5,000. ‘
m·r1m1u•r10NAL BUREAU or W`EIGH‘1‘S&lt;.A§D 1mAsUB.ms. .
»¤¥i°TP”v?£§§d EPA Qontribution to the maintenance of the International Bureau of
”§§*;g·P_ ,1, W•§hts and Measures, in conformity with the terms of the convention
’ of ay twentgéourth, eighteen hundred and seventy-five, the same
to be pa1d,_un er the direction of the Secretary of State, to said bureau
on its certificate of apportionment, $2,895.
INTERNATIONAL BUB.nAU 1*01: PUBLICATION or cvsmus •rAm1¤·1¤·s.
I”‘°&quot;‘°“°&quot;&quot; °‘}&quot; To meet the share of the United States in the annual e use f
wiigi-T;¤li¥&gt;-Egigau the year ending March thirty-inst, nineteen hundred andlxcteen, gi
sustaining the international bureau at Brussels for the translation and
spbhcatnon of customs tanHs, $1,500; this appropriation to be immeately available, pursuant to convention proclaimed December
seventeenth, Blghtééll hundred and ninety.
International
pgplugérémcomme m·rmmA·r10NA1. BOUNDARY oomnssxon, Umrrmv STATES Am;
‘ lmxxco.
w§§1}`;;”:;:;°V;' {T9 §$lehthedlc;&gt;&amp;¤umi(sisiouhm poutinuehits wolrk under the treaties
  ¤ ·o_e1g n_un aneigt—our,e` tee dred d` t-
mgféigbtdbmm   mnsdteen hunc(iid1:;le fis:£;!§1gt‘§000:nPmuv1i}led, T!l1[;t;l%){10g0
e is m e 1mm y av e to d tin th
· work relating to the distribution of water, §£;1i:hEndir?e2izion\§ th;
Secretary of State, and_ as authorized by and in pursuance to the
  wh, eighteen hundred and ninety-six, between the
a an exico.
éawlupzelhgegf me The commissioner appointedby the Secreta of State under article
t;,;,_9_,,_,,3,,__ twenty-one of the treaty of eig teen hundredr and forty-e' ht, and
hg}; gg; 1;; {gig; reaiiirmed under article seven of the treaty of e' hteen hunldred and
gégwhree, and article fiye of the treaty of eigiiteen hundred and
_ ty-four, and article eight of the treaty of eghteen hundred and
eighty—mne, to carry on this work, is here y au orized and directed&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of typewriters for ships; packing boxes and materials; interior fittings for dgeneral storehouses, pay offices, and accounting offices in
navy yar ; coffee mills and repairs thereto; expenses of naval clothing factory and machinery for the same; modernizing laboratory
equipment and bringing the same up to date; purchase of articles of
equipage at home and abroad under the cognizance of the Bureau of
p,§f*§,Q&quot;!‘°°‘ &quot;‘P' Supplies and Accounts, and for the payment of labor in equipping
vessels therewith, and the manufacture of such articles in the severa
navy yards; musical instruments and music; mess outfits; soap on
board naval vessels; athletic outfits; tolls, ferriages, yeomen’s stores,
I&quot;’°'· safes, newspapers, and other incidental expenses· abor in general
storehouses, paymasters’ ofliees, and accounting offices in navy yards
and naval stations, including naval stations maintained in island
possessions under the control of the United States, and expenses in
F   stores purchased and manufactured under &quot;General ae-
°°°i°°°°°°i°°‘ count o advances&quot;; and reimbursement to appropriations of the
Department of Agriculture of cost of inspection of meats and meat
,§’1f,&quot;&quot;;n,;;_,_ clotim, food products for the Navy Department: Prmrided, That the sum to
•¤¤·.¤¤rvi&lt;=¤¤· be paid out of this appropriation, under the direction of the Secretary
of the Nag, for chemists and for clerical, inspection, and messenger
service in e general storehouses,8paymasters’ offices, and accounting
offices of the navy yards and nav stations for the fiscal year ending
June thirtieth nineteen hundred and sixteen, shall not excee
F $643,000; in all, $l,,829,400.55.
,,,,{°§$§;,,1f,Y*’°'°‘”°““ linnrenr, Brmrrarr or Summa arm Accourrrs: All freight and
express charges pertaining to the Navy Department and its ureaus,
except the transportation of coal for- the Bureau of Supplies and
Accounts, $625,000.
F&quot;“’°°°‘ FUEL AND TBANSPORTATIONZ Coal and other fuel for steamers’ and
ships’ use, including expenses of transportation, storage, and handling the same; maintenance and general operation of machinery of
naval coaling depots and coaling p1ants· water for all purposes on
board naval vessels; and ice for the cooling of water, including the
§§';&quot;*§§§·,,,,,,,,m 0, expense of transportation and stor e of both, $4,500,000: Provided,
¤¤v=¤¤¤=¤*¤¤¤¤· That hereafter, when the lowest dgtainable cost of transportation
of fuel between the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States
by merchant carriers is considered excessive, the appropriation ‘ ‘Fuel
and tr·ansportation&quot; may be charged with the expense of pay, transportation, shipping, an subsistence of civilian officers and crews,
and such other incidental ex nses as can not be paid from other
appr&lt;$r·iations, of naval aux.i]i):ries engaged in the transfportation of
crmamaa. fuel: rmnkied, That the appropriation ‘ Maintenance o naval auxiliaries&quot; is insufficient therelfor.
u¤1i·°arE?1°s‘$i»?»°£€°°m° mnmau or consraucrrorw mn rmmra.
$i,§2$“ ‘“&quot;’ CONSTRUCTION Ama rznrxm or vnssms: For preservation and
completion of vessels on the stocks and in ordinary; purchase of materials and stores of all kinds; steam steerers, pneumatic steerers, steam
capstans, steam windlasses, and all other auxiliaries; labor in navy
yards and on foreign stations; purchase of machinery and tools for
use in shops; carrying on work of experimental model tank and wind
tunnel; deségning naval vessels; construction and re air of yard craft,
lighters, an barges; wear, tear, and repair of vessels afloat; general
care, increase, and protection of the Navy in the line of construction
and repair; incidental expenses for vessels and na yards, inspectors’
oflices, such as hotographing, books, rofessiongr ma azines, plans,
. P . P g .
stationery, and instruments for drafting room, and for pay of classrhed
force un er the bureau; for hemp, wire, iron, and other materials for
the manufacture of cordage, anchors, cables, galleys, and chains;
specifications for purchase thereof shall be so prepared as shall give&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Treasury De artme·nb—Contiuued. PSN- Treasury Department-Continued. Pmapproprgiitzion for divisions in SocretaryI;g7 1009 apipmpriatgnn for rent  gg,  
0 ce, customs. .. ... , or su p es, atc . .. .  ,
· appointments  . 467, 1010 for lalgor saving machines, ctc ... 474, 1016
musty bonds . . .. . . 468, 1010 for automatic fire   . . .. 475, 1016
Yublic moneys .. . . 4®, 1010 for burglar alarm devices, etc. .. ; . . 475
lim and €]\11'I8I1C§é. . Z  488, lgég for hug lig;ht,_au&lt;%;pu;&gt;1wer, old Engraving 475
venue utter rvxco . an ting dmg' .
  had stationery .. m,   for cghitinggit expenses, Auditor for 1*::11: 16
an es . , ce apartment .. . - 75, 10
special agents  468, 1010 for intemal revenue collectors, deputies,
for disbuming clerk, deputy, clerlzig 10 agiiéts, Fac  475, 1017
etc  , 10 num r 0 istricts increased . 475
for Su rvidng Architect, executive gau§mg' rectified spirits .. 1017
oiiig, etc  . . 468, 1010 for co acting income tax . . . 475, 1017
for Comgtgrollcrof the Treasury, assistant, for collecting cotton futures tax  1017
cler , etc .. . .. 469, 1010 for opium, etc., special tax . 1017
for   éor Treamry Deparuueriigg 1011 for miscellaneous internal revenue cx- 8
, e . , pauses .. 101
for tnécdiwr for War Department, clmgig 1011 ior saia.1;es,s&amp;ssistau ’ offices    
 , or mm an asmy ces ...
for Aggiwr for Navy Department, clcrkgég 1011 for gqvcmmculi; in the   .  . 479: 1021
 , estimstessu ject to revision utefor Auditor for Inteiior Department, rior Deparunent. .. . . . ji . 479
clerks, ctc .. z ... 489, 1011 administrative examination of accompenzgigu for piece rates on Egg 1 H c01mtsbyI11tcri0rDepartmeuthoro·
' eviccs . . ... , 0 after  . ... 1021
reduction in number of lowar grades for Solicitor, assistant, ctc . .. .. 498, 1039
authorized .. 469, 1011 for sundry civil expenses under . 4, 609, 822
fur Auditor for State, ctc., Departmmih, for public buildings  4,600, 822
clerks, etc . 470,1011 pwkway between Potomac and Rock
for Auditor for Post Office Defamncut, Creek parks ... 829
assistant and chief cla , clerkfh 1011 for cgmpletiiig Engraving and Printing
etc  , umau u11dmg' ... . .. 15
compensation for pmgloyoes on m0· for equipping new building, etc  I5
chamcal tabulating evicm .. 470, 1012 for elevator, etc., Butler Building . 614
pay of employees cu loam of ab- for {epairs, etc., to Department buildsencg .. $70, 1012 mgs .. . . 15, 616, 829
reduction of force below grade of chief for dmftsmcn, etc., Supervising Archiof division authorized .. 470, 1012 tect’s Office, ..,...,,,, 16
use of balances for employees on me- for mechanical equipment for Departf chemical devices ... 470, 1012 Lyggm buikgggg , ,,...,,_,,,,, 16, 616,830
or mlaries, etc., postal savings system for e Sa rvico  619
accounts  : .. _ 470, 1012 for Revenue gutter Service ... ig; 620
for Treasurer assistant, deputy, cashier, for Coast Guard (formerlg Life Saving,
mllmjs, clerks, etc.: . 470, 1012 and Revenue Cutter ervice) .. 833
for deuuls from amstaut troa¤um•¤’ for Engraving and Printing Bureau 19,620,833
offices  . ... 471 for paper for stamps, intend revenue. . . 20,
to be tmnsicrred to regular rolls .. 471 621, 834
{ur force for posqil savings system.  471, 1013 fm- refunding collections. . 20, 621, 834
for Register, assistant, c erks . 471, 1013 for punishing violations of internal raveior Cgmptiolig of the Gmmncy, dopzz, 3 d nue laws. E . 20,621,834
t1€8,C01' ,cfc ... .. . 101 fore orc` 1awsmlg` to
for Commissioner of Intemal Revenue, Departmentguxrized iromfingil, 621, 834
deputms, clerks, etc . 472, 1013 for expenses refunding two per cent ·
clerks on emergeuciggxes ...,, , ,. 1013 bonds . . . 835
for Szipekrintendent, Saving Service, 72 for contingent expenses, Independent
cer ,et;c. ... 4 Treasury .. .-... 20621835
for Coast Guard Office, chiefs of division, for reccinage, gold and minor coins. 21; 622: 835
clerks, etc ... . . . 1014 for money laimdry machines . 622, 835
wchnxml, etc., services ... 1014 for expenses, securities and national cup
for Director Bureau of Engraving and rency  . . 21, 622
Printing, assistant, clerks, ctc. . 472, 1014 transfer in distinctive paper accounts
for Chief, Secret Service Division, clerks, authorized ,,,,... . ...___,,,,.. , , , 21
9tC  473, 1014 for distinctive paper, securities, national
for Direcmr of the Mint, clerks, em. . 473,1014 currency, em, ,_,,,,________,,,,,, 335
for Surgeon General Public Health for custody of dies, rolls, and plate. 21, 622, 835
Seryice, clerks, etc. .. 473, 1015 for expenses, public buildings ___,...,.. 21
ior Bzngggeut expenses  . . gg,   for supprem%11g(lcountarfe(§ti¤g, etc. 23, 622, 835
0Y_ 357; ---. ..._ , ymauthor uu erSecret -
for uivestiguuons to secure better admm· Psice Division forbidden .. . 23, 622, 836
istrative methods, economy, eu:. 474, 1015 forcustod of lands, etc. . 23, 622, 836
muster of offices, etc., go old Bureau of for motor {cat, Corpus Christi, Tex., cus-
Eugraving and Printing building. . . 474 tom district ..,,.. . ...,_,.,., 23&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 38 Part 2.djvu/761</title>
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November 21,1913. Br mn Pansmmm or Tun Um·rm&gt; Surms or Amnmca.
A PROCLAMATION.
mB¤*°S  ’ I, WOODRQW WHJSON, President of the United _States of
rmmcmn America, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by
V¤1·37. 1&gt;·56¤· the Act 0 Congress, approved August twenty-fourth,_ mneteen
hundred and twelve,_ to provide for the opening, mamtenance,
protection and operation 0 the Panama Canal an the samtation
and government of the Canal Zone, do hereby Erescnbe and proclaim the glgules for the)dM£asureme1&amp;t of Vesse forfthe Pamupa
al, w `c are annex eret0•an 0 a part 0 proc a-
mation.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused
the seal of the United States to be aflixed.
Done at the city of Washington this twenty-first day of November
m_the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and
[sun,.] girteengnd of thedmdependeilicle of the United States
eoneun ant'y-eigt.
B the d t Woonnow WILSON
y' OI! I ‘
W J. Baum
Secretary of State.
RULES FOB THE  fil&quot; VESSELS FOR THE PANAIA
l •
A11v¤¤¤1s¤&gt;1¤¤¤¤¤¢ A1mcmI.All vemels,Ame1icanandf ° t rshi ,° ld' Is
,Q“&quot;“g°_ °°°'“'““&quot; “ gi commerce and Army and Na? trans;?oI:tslg:¤e&lt;$ll§2€ri; sii§plyp§hi1;e§ Ihridlghxgiiial
_ ps, applying for passage throug ’the Panama Canal sha present a_du1y aut enltnuciated   stating the vessel s gross and net tonnage as determined by these
h es,ml guise o_  y and {my transports, collxers, supply ships, and
beo?p1 be pg] :71 cgut su cate s , before passing throng the canal, or
mto: mgdetgw _ to c1l1eaa1(;;•herefr(§&gt;°m,wil;1e gilzgurnelcg and shall have their gross and .
All warships American and fo the than transpo. rts, lli 1 d
hospital ships, shall present duly aul§ent‘icat;d displacement scalcg ariads   
vessels das N acppmtayb e toémage of dlisplacemept :.]I;1eac’h¤Ko·Eible:1m($an draft.
U ,,, __1s e1m_e t_a&quot;sup `_ inuoArm dN -
..g‘,jf{1l§;_,,““‘P“ ““d muon ships, refrigerator ships, dxstillirngqships, repair  subrilslrline tgxildreiisljusiiaud
destzyer tenders, as well as Army andn a  vessels to transpprt general Army
gd avyrtsucygpgigpglaegiéhat colliers include Army and avy vessels used
RULES APPLYING T0 VESSELS OF OOIDIERGE ARMY AND
1gAV'§ TRANBPORTS. OOLLIZEBS, SUPPLY SHIPS, Ahfb HOSPITAL
ososs romuem.
¤··¥'·`¥·*‘·*¥¤e¥&quot;$`“~»`*-?·»Z‘?»? c.,;‘i§e,?tr $m1'°“ ..,&quot;l'T“.§T*?°¤.2“ .¤H°°”&amp;'3§?fn 'ZZ¤€£‘§?;?0?“l‘if ;p'*$s°1?r§i3°.€°t{.';°u”},2€
ggggpzpd $3111 permapsexgltgy pgvleged and cl0sed;1;€?aces on or abofw: that dlick,
¤P8¢0¤ r rmi as ex t umm.
ment.   tonnage shall iimlude not   permanentl;(;¤&lt;ii&gt;)vi;)rIr;.d arid glosed-in
;'£%°%°r§'..T‘éE‘£r'§r€'s‘?“pasB¤’ ”° mgm {ZZ “c$,‘3“t.‘$;&quot;§°s§“d “‘1§&quot;°”.pm°’ &quot;&quot; &quot;'°&quot;‘.&quot;‘”,,,.§ °&quot;°&quot;°'
, c
iniglrhded tghbe used, in  and serving the vezusel. as am i or are
ysu spacesasa ll ed' ArtileIV shall
exempted  egxeasuremetgigipeih blhzr  nshallul»e   sifgxed-in mill
shall emo u mgross mge.
sigznargdshall Magi? Am-. III. By permanently covered and closed·in spaces on or above the upper
covered and closed-ih deck We to l?€ ¤¤d¤¤•¤&gt;&lt;&gt;d %H *}*069 Whidl We ¤€P¤·¤t€&lt;l off by decks or coverings,
,pw,_ or iixedbgart1t.1ons, and which, therefore, represent an increase of capacity that is
or may used for e stowage of cargo, or or the berthing and accommodation of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 39 Part 1.djvu/1203</title>
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expiration of such confinement: Promlded That the Secret of the &quot;'°°‘•&quot;-
Navy is authorized to commute rations for such genergllycourts- ¤¤¤c?&gt;lxri1:fi•ii•1i¤!i¤f’f ml
martral prisoners in such amormts as seem to him roper, which ma
wig in accordance with the location of the navalllprrson, but which
sh m no case exceed 30 cents per diem for each ration so commuted ;
and for the piuchase of United States Arm emer ency rations as ,_,°·}]',¤Y °¤¤’¤¤°Y¤*·
required; m all, $10,144,943.40, to be available rmtilg the close of the `
fiscal year ending June thirtieth, nineteen hrmdred and nineteen. CMM d mu
CLOTHING AN?) SMALL-STORES FUND: For purchase of clothing and mm :mf1.°”
small·stores for issue to the naval service, to be added to the ‘ ‘Clothing
and small-stores fund,&quot; $1,500,000.
RESERVE MATERIAL, NAVY! For rocurin apparatus and materials ¤¤ii¤?•i¤Y•:rmufstirl°l In
(other than ordnance materials and) medical stores), as a war reserve
necessary to be carried in the su ply departments for the purpose of
iitting out vessels of the fleet and) merchant auxiliaries in time of war
or when, in the opinion of the President, a national emergency exists,
to be immediately available and to continue available until expended,
$3,000,000: Promkied, That, to prevent deterioration such materials   ms; nina
shall be used as required m time of peace, and whensousedreim- &quot;“'°°¤*°¤*·
bursement shall be made to this appropriation from current naval
appgppriations in order that additional stocks may be procured. H
INTENANGE, BUREAU or SUPPLIES AND ACCOUNTS! For fuel; the ‘
removal and transportation of ashes and garbage from ships of war;
books, blanks, an stationery, including stationery for commanding
and navigating oiicers of ships, chaplams on shore and adoat, an
for the use of courts·martial on board ships; lpurchase, repair, and
exchange of typewriters for ships; packing oxes and materials;
interior fittings or general storehouses, pay offices, and accounting
offices in navy yards; expenses of disbursing omcers; coffee mills an
repairs thereto; expenses of naval clothing factory and machinery E H
for the same; laboratory equipment; pure ase of articles of equi- °‘°°°°°&quot;“”’ °&quot;
age at home and abroad under the cognizance of the Bureau of
Supplies and Accounts, and for the payment of labor in equipping
vessels therewith, and the manufacture of such articles in the sever
navy yards; musical instruments and music; mess outfits; soap on
board naval vessels; athletic outfits; tolls, ferriages, yeomen’s stores,
safes, and other incidental expenses; labor in general storehouses
paymasters’ offices, and accounting offices in navy yards and naval
stations, includin naval stations maintained in isand possessions
under the control of the United States, and expenses in handling
stores purchased and manufactured under &quot;General account o
advances&quot;; and reimbursement to appropriations of the Department Fm
of A 'culture of cost of inspection 0 meats and meat food products r·ms»°. H
for til; Navy Department: Provided, That the sum to be paid out ,,§_&quot;°&quot;'*°•‘·°°'*·°&quot;&quot;
of this appropriation, under the direction of the Secretary of the
Navy, for chemists and for clerical, inspection, storernan, store
laborer, and messenger service in the supply and accounting degments of the navy yards and navalstations and disbursing offices
for the fiscal year ending June tlnrtieth nineteen hundred and
e` hteen, shall not exceed $1,650,000; rn all, $3,250,000. _
l%`REIGHT, BUEEAU or Sommrns AND Accotrsrsz All freight and  
express charges pertaining to the Navy Department and its ureaus
except the transportation of coal for the Bureau of Supplies and
Accounts, $850,000.
FUEL AND TBANSPORTATIONZ Coal and other fuel for steamers’ ¤§L&quot;°&quot;&quot;‘*'*&quot;&quot;'”‘i‘°'”&quot;'
and ships’ use, including expenses of transportation, storage, and
handlin the same; maintenance and general operation of machinery
of naval fuel depots and fuel plants; water for all Ipurposes on board
naval vessels; and ice for the cooling of water, inc uding the expense
of transportation and storage of both, $6,500,000.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 40 Part 1.djvu/876</title>
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seers of general prisoners at posts designated by the War Department for the confinement of general prisoners, and for the United
States disciplinary barracks guard; of extra-duty pay at rates to be
fixed by the Secretary of War for mess stewards and cooks at recruit
depots who are graduates of the schools for bakers and cooks, and
instructor cooks at the schools for bakers and cooks; for expenses
of expresses to and from frontier posts and armies in the field; of
escorts to officers or agents of the Quartermaster Corps to trains
where military escorts can not be furnished; authorized office furniture, authorized issues of towels; hire of laborers in the Quartermaster Corps including the care of oi‘Hcers’ mounts when the same
are furnished by the 'Government, and the hire of interpreters,
spies, or guides for the Army; compensation of clerks an other
employees to the officers of the Quartermaster Corps, and clerks,
foremen, watchmen and organist for the United States disciplinary
barracks, and incidiental expenses of recruiting; for the apprehension, securing, and delivering of deserters, inc uding escaped military prisoners, and the expenses incident to their pursuit, and no
greater sum than $50 for each deserter or escaped military prisoner
shall, in the discretion of the Secretary of War, be paid to any civil
oflicer or citizen for such services and expenses; for a donation of
$5 to each dishonorably dischaligged prisoner upon his release from
_ confinement under court—mart' sentence involving dishonorable
H°”°°xP°°°“‘&quot;°°‘ discharge; for the following expenditures required or the several
regiments of Cavalry, the batteries of Field Artilleriy, and such companies of Infantry and Scouts as may be mounte , the authorized
number of officers’ horses, and for the trains, to wit, purchase of
picket rolpes, blacksmith’s tools and materials, horseshoes and
lacksmit ’s tools for the Cavalry service, and for the shoeing of
horses and mules; chests and issue 0utfits· and such additional
expenditures as are necessary and authorized by law in the movements and operation of the Army, and at military posts, and not
ex ressly assigned to any other department, $35,000,000.
;‘;,“gf&quot;;;’2°:’°‘ g`BA?I8PORTATION or Trm_ ARMY AND rrs BUPPLIES2 For trans-
’ portatron of the Army and its suppllies, including transportation of
the troops when moving eithergpi nd or water and of their baggage, mc udigg members of the cers’ Reserve Corps, enlisted men
of the Enhst Reserve Corps, and retired enlisted men when ordered
to active duty, including the cost of packing and crating; for transportation of recru1ts_an recruiting parties; of applicants for enlist-
T 1 I ment between recruiting stations and recruiting depots; for- travel
,tcf&quot;§§,;m§L°§g‘§,°§?’ allowance to officers an enlisted men on discharge· for payment of
&quot;°‘·&quot;°»P· 2*7- travel allowance asixprovided in section one hundred and twenty-six
of the Act approv June third nineteen hundred and sixteen, to
enlisted men of the National Guard on their discharge from the
service of the United States, and to members of the National Guard
__, F wwd m who have been mustered into the service of the United States and
.,.,;§Z;.§°,i‘§,c;,j,,,,.,, ° discharged on account of physical disability; for dpayment of travel
‘°*·“‘·P·°‘”· pay_to officers of the National Guard on their ischarge from the
service of the United States, as prescribed in the Act approved
March second,_nineteen hundred and one; for travel allowance to
persons on their discharge from the United States disciplinary barracks or from any lace in which they have been held under a sentence of dishonoralile discharge and confinement for more than six
months, or from the Government Hospital for the Insane after
transfer thereto from such barracks or place, to their homes (or
_ _ elsewhere as they may elect), provided the cost in each case shall
P°&quot;”°‘“‘&quot;’°&quot;‘°“°’&quot; not be greater than to the place of last enlistment; of the necessary
agents and other employees, including per diem allowances in lieu
o subsistence not exceeding $4 for those authorized to receive the
per diem allowance; of clothing and equipage and other quarter-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 40 Part 1.djvu/1205</title>
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      <text bytes="3586" sha1="8cs4v668mh6is97twoiu10bhgavxlsj" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;SIXTY-FIFTH CONGRESS. Sess.! III. Cus. 62-64. 1919. 1187
CHAP. 62.-An Act To extend the time for the construction of a bridge acres F¤b¤*§'Y1g$°19·
tclzemgonriniecticult Rigger between Springiield and West Springfield, in Hampden  
Y, USSC 1168 . Ot
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of Amerika. in glongress asse·1g1.bled% That the; time; for 0§I{l)H16§C— ,I,;¤•g¤;¤¤¤_;¤t~;g_},*_§_g¤i0r
mg an comp eting e construction 0 a ri , authorize ct mags , at sprangof Congress aplproved August twenty-§fth,_(1l1§meteen hundred, and “°$‘],y§:°f,§j5,,6_,,,,,,,,,,_
_ sixteen, to be u1lt across the Connectmut River between the city ¤·i·
of Springfield andthe town of West Spiingfield, in Hampden County,
Massachusetts, are hereby extended one and three years, respectively, from the date of approval hereof. `· * ‘
Sec. 2. That the right to alter, aLmend,’br repeal this Act is hereby —*¤¤¤°¤=°¤*-
expressly reserved. ‘   · ‘
Approved, February 27, 1919. · ‘ °
. —» · . n¤¤m·ym,1m.
cnn. 63.-An Act {ro revive and mmm me ae; entitled ··.nrAem» uname {H- R·***’°·]
the city of South Sioux City, in the State of Nebraska to construct a bridge acron the [Pubuc, No. me.]
Mimouri {Liver between the States of Nebraska and Iowa,&quot; approved April twenty-
second, mneteen hundred and twelve. '
Be·aZtenactedby theSenatea:adHo14se,qfRe esentativeso the United
States QfA’m»61'IlCG in Congress assembled, Thaztrtho Act apprfoved April s“l•S°a?°ds£l£lY{&quot;¤ty_
twenty-second, nineteen hundred and twelve, autho the city N§}’gg;',*g_‘§‘¢°·
of South Sioux City, in the county of Dakota and State of hebraska, °
to construct, maintain, and operate a bridge, and approaches thereto
across the Missouri River, at a point suitable to the interests oi
navigation, at or near South Sioux City, in the county of Dakota
in the gtlate of Nebrafilka, tbgssknd geilpalpzielilsiihoraby, geylimed   P .
reenac: , at ct an voi esstermeiweasma
actual construction of the bridge herein authorized be commenced “&quot;*-
within one year and completed within three yeam from the date of
apgroval hereof. _ _ Ammdmum
nc. 2. That the right to alter, amend, or repeal this Act is hereby
expressly reserved. ‘
Approved, February 27, 1919.
February 27, 1919.
CHAP. 64.-An Act Granting the cement of Congress to the county of Allegheny; l$f;}§*}&quot;·l p ____
Pennsylvania, to construct, mamtain, and operate a bndglei acron the Monongahe [pubuc, Nm 2Q4_]
gégftr-B ag ?·e:hea..;;`1:ng&gt;rough of Wilson, in the county of A egheny, in the Common-
0 .
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representat·zZves of the United y,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, m,,,,_
States of America in Congress assembled, That the consent of Congress m:;1¤g;_r=5¤g; gggggv
is hereby anted to the county of Allegheny, m the Commonwealth ra. ’ '
of Penns genie., and its successors an assigns, to construct, maintain, and, operate a bridge,_ with_ approac es thereto, across the
Monongahela River, at a pomt suits e_to the mterests of navigation, at or near the boroulgh of Wilson, H1 the county of Allegheny,
in the Commonwealth of enusylvania, in accordance with the pro- $,*§,'§§,&quot;j°,§‘g'j;
visions of the Act entitled &quot;A.n Act to regulate the construction of
bridges over navigable waters/’ approved March twenty-third,
nineteen hundred and six. _ _
Sec. 2. That the right to alter, amend, or repeal this Act IS hereby *‘·'”°°‘“&quot;°“‘·
expressly reserved.
Approved, February 27, 1919.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 40 Part 2.djvu/360</title>
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licenses and requirements for systems of accounts and auditing of
` accounts to be kept by licensees, submission of reports by them,
with or without oath or affirmation, and the ent and inspection
b the President’s duly authorized agents of the lplaces of business
of’licensees.&quot;
AND, WHEREAS, It is essential, in order to carry into effect the
revisions of the said Act, that the powers conferred upon the Presigent by;1 said Act be at this time exercised, to the extent hereinafter
set fort ,
NOW, THEREFORE, I, WOODROW WILSON, President of ,,,Q'”§“§*,Qg0,{;§§§j‘
the United States of America, by virtue of the owers conferred upon znanufagturinriéib stpri
me by said Act of Congress, hereby find and getermine and by this giiiigéiamliijgeesaliiiliisi
proclamation do announce that it is essential, in order to carry into §§§,*Q,‘;§§,_*° '°°° °°“‘
effect the purposes of said Act, to license the importation, manufacture, stor and distribution of necessaries, fo THE EXTENT
Hlg§EIN;.g·l•;YE5RI.'¤SPECIFIED. d d h O U n d
ersons, , corporations an associations e e in the ,,,§“§}° ° S °“
busineds either of (1) operating cold storage warel:&gt;gu8sges (a cold c°P·»·ildp.]i=i3il?°°i5°d`
storage warehouse, for the purposes of this proclamation, being
defined as any fplace artificalli or mechanically cooled to or below a
tem(perature o 45 degrees a ove zero Fahrenheit, in which food
pro ucts are placed and held for thirty days or more), (2) operating
elevators, warehouses or other places for the storage of corn, oats,
barley, beans, rice, cotton seed, cottonseed cake, cottonseed meal or
peanut meal, or (3) IILPORTING, mnromcroarue (includ% milling,
  or packing), or nrsrnnivrme (including buying ‘ selling)
any o the following commodities: ‘ *
Wheat, wheat our, rye or rye Hour, · &quot; = `
Barley or barley flour, P°'°’ PP' mt ‘°3°·
Oats, oatmeal or rolled oats, `
Corn, corn grits, cornmeal, hominy, com Hour, starch from corn,
corn oil, corn syrup or glucose, `
Rice, rice flour,
Dried beans,
Pea seed or dried peas,
Cotton seed, cottonseed oil, cottonseed cake or cottonseed meal,
Peanut oil or peanut meal,
Soya. bean oil, soya bean meal, palm oil or copra oil,
Oleomargarine, lard, lard substitutes, oleo oil or cooking fats,
Milk, butter or cheese,
` Condensed, evaporated or powdered milk,
Fresh, canned or cured beef, pork or mutton,
Poultry or eggs,
Fresh or frozen fish, ·
Fresh fruits or vegetables,
Canned: Peas, dried beans, tomatoes, corn, salmon or sardines,
Dried: Prunes, apples, peaches or raisins,
Sugar, svrugs or molasses,
EX CEP TIN , however, _ Gwuwgarions. ew.
(1) Operators of elevators or warehouses handling wheat or rye, &quot;°°° °
and manufacturers of the derivative products of wheat or rye, who
have already been licensed,
(2) Importers, manufacturers and refiners of sugar, and manufacturers of su ar syrups and molasses, who have already been licensed,
(3) Retailers whose gross sales of food commodities do not exceed
$100,000.00 per annum,
(4) Common carriers,
(5) Farmers, ardeners, coo erative associations of farmers or
gardeners, including live stool`; farmers, and other persons with&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Probation System, D. C'.--Continued. P¤z¤· Proclamatiom—Continued. P¤s¤·
appointment of frobation officers for su- declaring amended rules for use of Panama
promo, an police courts; salaries. . 1325 Canal. .. , . 1667
additional, a$stant, etc  ·. . . 1325 copyright privileges _ for mechanical
tenure, etc .. Z  1325 musical repro uctwns extended to
apgropriatgn for expenses increased  1325 i&amp;SH1str3.lia, Papua, and Norfolk 1764
Pmceed4 s m ongress, an .. . ..
up roggriation for printing and binding. . . 174, 698 extended to France. . 1784
gr reporting, House of Representa- embargo on exportation of designated
tivoo .. 764, 1219 articles; limitations, etc  . .. 1683
for reporting, Senate . .   761, 1216 existence of war with Imperial and
deficiency appropriation for extra services, Royal Austro-Hungarian G0vemreporting, House of Representa- ment . 1729
tives , . ... 28, 377, 497, 836 existence of war with Imperial German
‘ for extra services reporting Senate.. 25, 377, 835 Govemment. . 1650
.Pr•cImrumZom (seealsoPresident of the United designating additional persons subject to
States),a1 b H um restrictions on trading with the 6
ac uiring nav opera asc, amp enemy . . .. 178
q Roads, Va .   ...,   1674 specified personiehsutlliject to restrggiéions 9
allowmg' re'ected homestead entries on c on trading wi e enemy. 1 ,1837,189
land; at Fort Peck Indian Reserve- April 21, 1917, a day to contribute to
tion, Mont., and opening remainder stricken Ruthenians (Ukrainians). . . 1645
to entry  . .. 1660 day of registration for military service,
amending regulations for protection of 1917  . . 1664
migratory birds . .  170§, 1812, 1863     ... 1679
announcing death oi former President m Hawau ... 1680
Theodore Rgggovglt ,.,.. . .. 1921 in Porto Rico. .. . ... 1674
payment of $25,000,000 for West Indian day of registration for military service by
Islands ceded by Denmark .. Z . . 1649 persons reaching age of 21 smce
annulling designated regulations prescnb- _ JU118 5, 1917 . . . 1781
ing conduct of alien enemies  191.8 m Alaska since September 2, 1917  1796
prohilntion on aircraft expoeitions. . . I . . 1918   Hawaii eince July 31, 1917 . ... 1799
appointing Friday, April 26, 1918, as Lib- m Porto :B·1C0§1BCB July fg, 1917. . . , . . 1793
ertyDay. ... .  1771 day of registration for mihtarky seryice
Sunday, October 28, 1917, as a Day of 1708 gwy  geaclnng age o 21 smce 1834
Pm . . ·.------- · 11119 , ·-----· · -·------··--··-
May 30?llr918, as a day of humiliation, day of registration for military service
prayer, and    1774 _ by persons between ages of 21 and 45. 1840
wednesday, October 24, 1917, as Liberty m Alaska ... 1851
Day ..,. . .. 1706 in Hawaii ... 1856
Saturday, October 12, -1918, as Liberty in Porto Rico. .. 1860
Dgy _______,___,, , ,... .  1854 Thursday November 29, 1917, as
Walker D, Hines, Director General of Thanlmgiving Day . . ... 1712
Rnilmndn __,_,, , ,,..,..    I . . 1922 ThmrEl1ayi‘Bg1iovemDl;`er 28, 1918, us 1888
wumiucvutwlcfwi hw we- ¤·¤ &quot; -·--- · -------·---
pgone {systems ,...    1807 week  ay%0, 1918, as &quot;Red
tranoportatxon systems for war pprpcsee. . 1733   Week .. _ .. : . 1774
author: sale o Government mined coal determming comgemation for certain
  ..   . . 1839   doc properties at Hoboken, 1 4
ca11mg' into service and dnaftmg‘ , the as- . .. 91
tional Guard and Reserve for war price of 1918 wheat crop  . .. 1749
with Ggrmhn ,_,,,,,.. . ...,... 1681 price of 1919 wheat crop ... 1844
Hawaii National guard for present war. . 1785 diminishing area of Ashley National Forest,
part of Phi1ipfpi.¤o_Guard mto military Utah and Wyo  1718
service 0 United States, for one Blackfeet National Forest, Mont  - . . 1790
month. ... 1890 Cache National Forest, Idaho and Utah- 1702
Virginia Coast Artillery into military Custer National Forest, Mont . -  1896
noyvioo ofU11ited States  1887 Deschutes National Forest, Oreg  1897
canceling ueirement for licenses for deal- Fishlake National Forest, Utah . - . . 1710
inggilmtter, eggs, and cold storage. 1931 Flathead National Forest, Mont  . . . - 1789
dggigngtgd food commodities ... 1929 Fremont National Forest, Greg . 1697
d@g1m,t,9d foods, foods, etc . ... 1919 Helena National Forest, Mont ... 1933
condemning lands in Maryland for Army Lincoln National Forest, N. Mex .. 1832
Ordnance   ground  .  1707 Nevada National Fo1‘$t,·lN BV ..- 1928
other lands in place of ... 1731 Ozark National Forest, Ark .. - ·---· 1892
addigogal land m·Marylan&lt;g for Army 1923 Palisérde National Forest, Idaho and 1678
nance xo un ... yo  . ..·-- - -·-------·- -
lands in Maryland lorgriiaval ordnance Pike National Forest, C0l0 ---- - ·--·-·-- N70
proving ground _______,____________ 1935 · Routt_Namona1 Forest, Colo ._ ... 1838
confirming a pointment of National War S%H013N8t1€)H8l Forest, Calif .. 1726
Labgr %o$_;·d ______ , ,_,,, . ,..,__,,,_ 1766 W Iowa National Forest, Oreg . 1699
r the authority of Director General ofRa.i1- Wasatch National Forest, Utah  _. . 1687
mad, ___________ _ _ _     ,..,,..,   , 1763   cqltivation of public lands in 1804
convening extra session 0 11g1’€B, I 8WN-I -·--··~--· · -~··-·—---··—----
Apfi116’ 1917 _,,,_.. . .. 1645 diocontinuig Dakota National Forest,
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expenses attendant upon the execution of the Neutrality Act, to §°g°';§;Y2*;f*b_ 49_
be expended pursuant to the requirement of section 291 of the Revised lyimiico réappw
Statutes, $200,000, together with the unexpended balance of the *&quot;§‘f,j’g‘p_m_
appropriation made for this object for the fiscal year 1921, which is
hereby reappropriated and made available for this purpose.
ALLOWANCE T0 wmows on Hams or DIPLOMATIC on CONSULAB.
orrrcmzs wno Dm ABROAD.
Payment imder the provisions of section 1749 of the Revised ce;§1{f,Y§Q‘§’,,0*§{,_°m'
Statutes of the United States to the widows or heirs at law of diplo- RS··=¤=· 1749- P- 311-
matic or consular officers of the United States dying in foreign countries in the discharge of their duties, $2,500.
PAYMENT TO mis. ANNA GALE warm.
T0 Mrs. Anna Gale White, widow of Jay White, late consul to wl',I§g_ Mm Ow
Naples, Italy, $4,500, one year’s salary of her deceased husband, P¤Y¤*°¤°*°·
who died while at his post of duty from illness incurred in the Consular Service.
PAYMENT TO rms. MARY A. HIGGINS.
To Mrs. Mary A. Higgins, widow of Edward H' s, late consul to   me A' mg'
Bahia, Brazil, $4,000, one year’s salairlil of her deceased husband, gu;’S°Ym°¤'* *°-
who died while at his post of duty from ess incurred m the Consular
Service.
TRANSPORTWG nmmms or mPLoMA·r1c AND CONSULAB ormomas,
coNsu1.An Ass1s·rAN*rs, AND cuznxs TO umm norms mn mma-
MENT.
For defraying the expenses of transporting the_ remains of diplo— mg$§i°°$1ic}§,,°'E°° &quot;'
matic and consular officers of the United States, including consular
assistants and clerks, who have died or may die abroad or in transit,
while in the discharge of their official duties, to_ their former homes
in this country for interment, and for the ordinary and necessary
expenses of such interment, at their post or at home, $5,000.
INTERNATIONAL BUREAU or wmoms AND maasuiucs.
Contribution to the maintenance of the International Bureau m,l3°°§?°{$°§§;it_, gi
Of Weights and Measures, in conformitgmwith the terms of the con- M$*j{f'§·P_ mt
vention of May 20, 1875, the same to paid, under the direction '
of the Secretary of State, to said bureau on its certificate of apportionment, $2,895.
l1\&quot;’1'ERNATIONAL BUREAU Pon PUBLICATION or customs TARIFFS.
To meet the share of the United States in the annual expense for ,0l§s”?r‘g}f§S“’§L,m°,,'j'°'
the year ending March 31, 1922, of sustaining] the international V°l-28·P-15*8-
bureau at Brussels for the translation and pub `cation of customs
tariifs, pursuant to the convention proclaimed December 17, 1890,
$6,000. .
INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY ooMM1ss1oN, UNITED STATES AND
imxrco.
To enable the President to perform the obligations of the United cciiiilkiiiutnmndan
States under the treaties of 1884, 1889, 1905, and 1906, between the ,5:’°}·,?13,§‘·$‘{,§{’Qf‘§j
United States and Mexico, including not to exceed $600 for rent, ¤9=·{
$5,000.
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Foxx N0. 1 Form Ne. 1.
PARCEL POST.
A parcel addressed as under has been posted here this day:
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This certificate is given to inform the sender of the posting of e parcel, and does not indicate that any
liability ln respect of such parcel attaches to the Postmaster General.
i l
Fomnmn No. 1.
COLIS PORTAUX.
Uucolisadrmécommeilest iudiquéci-demousaété déposéicicejour.
 
Timbre du IINl·NIn-ni-NUnunuu&quot;-.HIup---FIH.-N.--“uu--&quot;&quot;·&quot;&quot;•-H&quot;.-U-nan
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Le présent récépisé est destlné seulement A inlermer Pexpédltenr du dépot du colis.
 
you Ne.; F¤¤¤N¤· 1
Ao Place to
Date which 
nam . · toe
P Parcel Post between the United States and the Society Islands. M
roms or cusrous nmcnsmnox.
 
Description of parcel: (State Total
whether box, basket, bag, Contents. Value. Per cent. customs
etc.) charges.
8 8
Total. . S S
 
Date ol posting  19. .; signature and address ol sender ..
For useel Post Omce only, and to be filled up nt theofliceolexchunge.      
lkucel Bill No.  ; N0. of rates prepaid  ;entry No. 
B.
Date
Parcel Post form .. ,. stamp.
The import duty assessed by an otllcer of customs on contents ot this parcel amounts to
 , which mmt be paid betore the parcel is delivered.
'‘`‘'‘'‘°`°`‘''‘'`'''' é‘¤m&quot;°£6&amp;iée¤.
C.
Parcel Post {rom  . ..,... Date
cgklilggaécol has been passed by an ollieer ot customs and must be delivered FREE OF stamp.
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 42 Part 1.djvu/632</title>
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      <text bytes="3237" sha1="it1rkko9k0xn5kktjr6o991rzshy0ha" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;604 SIXTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. II. Ch. 204. 1922.
ALLOWANCE T0 wmows on Hmms or DIPLOMATIO OR c0NsULAR
ormomzs WH0 Dm ABROAD.
A—“°°Y¤¤°°Sr ‘°’ °‘“‘ For ayment under the provisions of section 1'(49 of the Revised
m$%lig§c?l1¥•;$$·31r Statutgs of the United States to the widows or heirs at law of diplomatic or consular officers of the United States dying in foreign
countries in the discharge of their duties, $2,500.
PAYMENT TO DA1sY CRAWFORD CARROLL.
l‘“5·D°‘$Y °&quot;°°&quot;°&quot;‘ To D Crawford Carroll widow of B. Harve Carroll, late consul
Carroll ’ y
Payment tu. to Cadiz, S ain, $3,500, one year’s salary of her deceased husband,
who died while at his post of duty from illness incurred m the Consular Service.
PAYMENT T0 Amon rorrmz.
§;S·*;’;°t§°°”’· To Alice Potter, widow of Julian Potter, late consul to Rouen,
ym France, $3,000, one year’s salary of her deceased husband, who died
as a result of illness mcurred in the Consular Service.
TRANSPORTING REMAINS OF DIPLOMATIC AND c0NsULAn ormorms,
OONSULAR ASSISTANTS, AND GLEBKS T0 TH;am HOMES Fox INTER-
1[ENT.
Brin homo ro- · · · ·
· “%m_ For defraying the expenses of transporting the remains of diplommm matic and consular officers of the United States, including consular
assistants and clerks, who have died or may die abroad or m transit,
while_ in the discharge of their official duties, t0_ their former homes
in this country for mterment, and for the ord1nary and necessary
expenses of such mterment, at their post or at home, $5,000.
Su{;§P!§$§§;,*;gsf¤d °°¤· EMBASSY, r.ncA*r1oN, AND OONSULAR BUILDINGS AND crzouivns.
l-°'§°*¥;)E;*¤‘¤¤**· _ For expenses of the alteration, repair and furnishing of the Ameri-
    em can Embassy   in London, England, located at numbers 13—14
' ’*&quot; ‘ ‘ Prmce’s Gate, mclud1ng the installation and repair of heating, lighting and electrical apparatus, and such other items as the Secretary
of State shall deem prodper, $150,000, or so much thereof as may be
_ necessaiz, to be imme iately available.
};j;*_§*0Q{é,}jg$f°¤· For the improvement of the agency and consulate buildings at&quot;'
Tangier, Morocco, $14,435.
&quot;**S*¤***¤*‘¤¤¤‘¤S· rosr ALLOWANCES TO D1PLOMAT1c AND c0NsULAR ormcrms.
,,,§&amp;‘}‘Q&quot;‘f,}’§Q§§°1§‘§,§j’;,` To enable_the President, in his discretion, and in accordance with
*¤¤*=¤=•=¤· such regulations as he may prescribe, to make special allowances by
way of additional compensation to diplomatic and consular officers
an_ consular assistants and officers o the United States Court for
China H1 order to adjust their official income to the ascertained cost
of living at the posts to which they may be assigned, $200,000.
cnn s1&gt;AaT1:L mom, COAST or Monocco.
Cm? SDm°H“1gm' _For annual proportion of the expenses of Cape Spartel and Tangier
Light on the coast of Morocco, including loss by exchange, $250.
mascurxo SHIPWRECKZED AMERICAN sEA1mN.
mkg;15_S¤vi=¤s ¤=·¤¤i· For expenses which may be incurred in the acknowledgment of
the services of masters and crews of foreign vessels in rescuing
gc-:g1;a§1)€eamen or citizens from shipwreck or other catastrophe at
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This section shall not be construed to affect the manner of a point- °&quot;“°¥,§, *‘:°‘”~*·
ment, the terms of office, or the compensation of any such o£cer as pmmt il, .,1,,,,,6,
new provided by law, nor to affect the provisions of the Budget and “°j;,§°°‘°g6 °E°·
Accounting Act, 1921, approved June 10, 1921. 'p` _
Sec. 524. Receipts from reimbursable charges for labor, services, ,,bil°3{2§l,,°,‘§tZ§’},'Z,Tl§}’.{,§2
and other expenses, connected with the customs, shall be deposited as a m‘°‘””‘&quot;‘°m&quot;’h*°”
refund to the appropriation from which paid, instead of being covered `
into the Treasury as miscellaneous receipts as provided by the Act
entitled &quot;An Act making a propriations for sundry civil expenses
of the Government for the fiscal year ending Jime 30, 1908, and for
other purposes/’ approved March 4, 1907.
Sec. 525. In connection with the enforcement of this Act, the ,,,,£§**°§,$ §‘[,‘}E,'ic,,°°}§
Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to use in the District of D*¤m°*°‘ °°l¤¤b*¤·
Columbia not to exceed eight ersons detailed from the field force of
the Customs Service and aid fiom the appropriation for the expense
of collecting the revenue ifrom customs. Tm ks
Srzc. 526. (a) That it shall be unlawful to import into the United mmm `msens
States an merchandise of foreign manufactmne if such merchandise, ,lj,°,,&quot;Z,‘f‘,§g ‘,‘§,*§§,*§,,&quot;{d*0‘,§§,’j
or the label, sign, print, packa e, wrapper, or receptacle, bears a S&lt;·&gt;¤* of ¤W¤¢¢·
traAe·mark owned by a citizen oi or b a corporation or association
created or organized within, the United, States, and registered in the
Patent Office by a person domiciled in the United States, under the V0, 33 m
provisions of the Act entitled “An Act to authorize the registration of ’ p' `
trade-marks used in commerce with foreign nations or among the sev- »
eral States or with Indian tribes, and to protect the same,&quot; approved C m
February 20, 1905, as amended, if a copy of the certificate of registra- °&quot; °°°°t°b°m°d‘
tion of such trade·mark is filed with the Secretary of the Treasury, in
the manner provided in section 27 of such Act, and unless written con- v°’· “3· *’· ”°·
sent of the owner of such trade-mark is produced at the time of mak-
1 ent . .
mlb) Ariiy such merchandise imported into the United States in ntligtsimm Im W
violation of the provisions of this section shall be subject to seizure
and forfeiture for violation of the customs laws. Pmmbm D ,
(c) An person dealing in any such merchandise may be enjoined awning my ea., such
from dealing therein within the United States or may be required to g°°‘“‘
export or destroy such merchandise or to remove or obliterate such
trade-mark and shall be liable for the same damages and pronts provided for wrongful use of a trade-mark, under the provisions of such
Act of February 20, 1905, as amended.
PART 4.——TRANSPORTATION IN BOND AND WABnn0Us1NG OF MBR- boriiiimiiiiihnaiggilehmii
cimunism. ;:€,{,’{,.“§g°§§i‘§‘2?1,E§°gp0,.
10D.
Sec. 551. CAm2:mn.-—Any common carrier of merchandise owning m§°ii§iiPi°i}»»?°m°'S t°
or operating} railroad, steamshgp, or other transplortation lines or v°&quot;2‘·*’· *73*
routes for the trans ortation 0 merchandise in the United States,
upon ap lication and the Bling of a bond in a form and penaltlyrand
with such sureties as may be approved by the Secretary of the easury, may be designated as a carrier of bonded merchandise for the
final release of which from customs custody a permit has not been
issued. .
Sec. 552. Izuumnmrn ·mANsrosranoN.—Any merchandise, other s¤iErr§t°§ii1&lt;i_i°¤i¤$°ri°rr(ir¤l°;
than explosives and merchandise theimplortation of which is pro-§‘;,,§1,§St,;§,f,§§,°{f “,§§,‘j{’,;E
hibited, arriving at a ort of entry in the United States maiy be i¤¤¤·
entered, under such rises and regulations as the Secretary o the
Treasury may prescribe, for transportation in bond without appraisement to any other ort of entry designated by the consigpee, or his
agent, and by sucii bonded carrier as he designates, there to be
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      <text bytes="3943" sha1="aygzzmliyppg12f1bou3y6b47vzkau0" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;SIXTI SEVENTH CONGRESS. Sess. IV. Gus. 254-256. 1923. 1483
Rio Grande between Eagle Pass, Texas, and Piedras Negras, Mexico, $g•g$‘3f,“°***},•g,-
in accordance with the provisions of an Act entitled &quot;An Act to `p` `
regulate the construction of bridges over navigable waters,&quot; approved
March 23, 1906_: Promded, That the consent of the proper authorities P'°&quot;&quot;&quot;°c,,,,,,,,,, Ofmmcnm
of the_Republ1c of Mexico to the construction, maintenance, and ·1¤i¤¤·i·
operation of the bridge shall also be obtained.
Sec. 2. That the right to alter, amend or repeal this Act is *“‘°‘““&quot;°°‘·
hereby expressly reserved.
Approved, March 4, 1923.
_ CHAP. 255.-—An Act To authorize the Secretary of State to acquire in Paris a  
site, with an erected buil  
of the diplomatic as M55 etiiiir1i1(ii1£xiiiaiacgitti1§Igrii¤iei1c(s°t(i1e$»iiw’000 f°’ °h° “‘° &quot;’“*’“°· ”°· “’°·'
He it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
U mted States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary   for diplo
of State be, and he is hereby, empowered, at a cost not to exceed ;g°,f,,f,Ba*g°g,,,°°¤$*¤¤’,
$300,000 for both site and building or buildings, to acquire in Paris `
a site, together with the building or buildings thereon, for the use
of the diplomatic and consular establishments of the United States, _
and the appropriation of the sum of $150,000 is hereby authorized $$?`Z{tp?i1iili'?°”d`
in addition to a like sum heretofore appropriated for this purpose.
Approved, March 4, 1923.
QKAP. 256.-—An Act To amend section 81 of the Act entitled &quot;An Act to codify, M¤=¤4ii9‘¤-
revise, and amend the laws relating to the judiciary/’ approved March 3, 1911.  
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Re entatioes of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That section 81 of 3},%*%,,*}  
the Act entitled “An Act to codify revise, and amend the laws ’ `
relating to the judiciary,&quot; approved March 3, 1911, as amended by Vd _
the Act of February 23, 1916, and the Act of April 27, 1916, be, and messed? pp` I&quot;' 55’
the same is hereby, amended to read as follows: _ _
&quot; Sec. 81. The State of Iowa is divided into two judicial districts, ,,,§{Y° ’““‘°&quot;' ‘“$‘
to be known as the northern and southern districts of Iowa. _
&quot;The northern district shall include the territory embraced on §;,,&quot;i;,,T“d,°$’g,,‘{*,f,$·
the lst day of July, 1910, in the counties of Allamakee, Dubuque,
Buchanan, Clzayton, Delaware, Fayieltte, Winneshiek, Howard, Chickasaw, Bremer, lackhawk, Floyd, itchell, and Jackson, which shall
constitute the eastern division of said district; also the territory s,£fd°' R°P*d= dm
embraced on the date last mentioned in the counties of Jones, Cedar, `
Linn, Iowa, Benton, Tama, Grundy, and Hardin, which shall constitute the Cedar Rapids division; also the territory embraced on C¤¤¤‘¤l&lt;“v*=¤&gt;¤-
the date last mentioned in the counties of Emmet, Palo Alto, Pocahontas, Calhoun, Carroll, Kossuth, Humboldt, Webster, Winnebago,
Hancock, lVright, Hamilton, Worth, Cerro Gordo, Franklin, and _ _
Butler, which 51:111 constitute the central division; also the territory W°s°°&quot;‘ °“'“&quot;&quot;&quot;
embraced on the date last mentioned in the counties of Dickinson,
Clay, Buena Vista. Sac Osceola, O’Brien, Cherokee, Ida, Lyon,
Sioux, Plymouth, Woodbury, and Monona, which shall constitute
the western division.
“Ter·ms of the district court for the eastern division shall be '*`¤'¤¥~
held at Dubu ue on the fourth Tuesday in April and the first Tuesday in Deceidlier, and at Waterloo on the second Tuesdays in May
and September; for the Cedar Rapids division, at Cedar Rapids
on the first Tuesday in April and the fourth Tuesday in September;
for the central division, at Fort Dodge on the second Tuesdays in
June and November, and at Mason City on the fourth Tuesdays in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Enlisted Men, Marine Carpe-—Continued. P¤¢¤· Enlisted Reserve Corps, Army-Continued. Pneappmpnauon for allowance for lodgixgg members of, injured in active duty, en-
Mzd subswwncv -------. 8,1151 titled to medical and hospital me
for retired ___,,__ _ ,,.,,,,. - .,,_ 136, 808, 1151 ment ,,... . ...,,..,..,,,.,,,,, 1508
for undmwn clothing  . .. 136, 808, 1151 transportation home on termination .,,,_ 1508
for commutation of quarters  136 subsistence gllgwgncg _____________ _ ____ 1503
for provisions, etc .. 137, 809, 1151 Entertainments, Religion, Educational, Chqri.
for clothing . 1 . .. 137, 809, 1152 mbu, ew.,
for bringing home remains of, dying exem t from admision tax ... 290
abroad, etc  . ... 8 3,1146 Entomogogy Bureau, Department of Agriculbase pay of, established  -  629 mn,
lvllgéyity ihcrewé -·-.· · .- 629 appropristion for salaries ...,.. 523, 107
reenhstment allowance . 629 gr gouoml expenses; inv6¤¢,ig$gi0m__ 524, 1307
retired my ..·· - ·--.-.---·... .  629 for msects affecting fruits, nuts, cereals,
travel allowances for, on dischzu§e .,., 1021 for-nge, etc ,..,,__,_,__,_______ _ 524, 1808
if enlisted under age, and isclmrged Hemian ily, gmahopper, and chinch
therefor on application  .  1021 bu ,,..,,,_,,,, 524, 1308
Enhkted Mem, Ndiig, . gmmgopper control, etc. .,.,,, 524, 1%
appropriation or transportation and sub- for southern field crop insects; forests;
sistence, on discharge, enlistment, truck crops; bee culture  524,1308
etc  124, 790, 1135 for citrus fruit, etc., insects ...,.. 524, 1308
transporting dependents of  124, 790, 1136 Mediterranean and other fruit thes;
for recreation for ... .  124, 790, 1136 cemphor scale .. . .. 524, 1308
for pay, retired . . .. 131, 799, 1143 for miscellaneous insects  524, 1308
for extra pay, on reeulistment. . . 131, 799, 1143 for investigating insects affecting health
for interest on deposits  -  131, 799, 1143 of man and animals, etc  524, 1308
for pay of ... 131, 799, 1143 blowfly and screw worm .. 524, 1308
for   $60, discharge gratuity ... 131 for administrative expenses.  524, 1308
for eath allowances ... . . 132, 799, 1143 for preventing spread of moths ... 524, 1308
for bringing home remains of, dying quarantine dmtricts to be maintained
abroad, etc  . ... 803, 1146 in cooperation with States, etc. . 525, 1308
deficiency approfpriation for bringing home for emergency eradication of European
remaiuso , dying abroad   346,463 com borer; local, etc., contribubase pay grades established for. .. 630 tions ... . ... _ ... : 525, 1309
mtm§s to be fixed by Secretary of the for emergency eradication of Mexxcnn
avy . -  . . 630 beau beetle- : . ._ ... 1309
longevity increase . 630 deficiency appmpnatxom for geuel'81 extransient pay additions relpealed  630 penses . 198, 344, 1053
pay of insular force at ha ratings of  630 for Japanese beetle control  .  1536
reenlistment allowance. . ,... . .. 630 Entrnlrs, Oustomhvwé,
retired pafy  . .. 630 stamp tax on  . -.. _ -...-.. 305
reduction o , by furlough, discharge, etc., Entry of Vessels (see also Tamff Act of 1922),
to 86,000 .. - .. 799 provisions for ...---- _ --··---··-··~·-~··--- 950
may reenlist if served not lem than 25 not required, of demgnated vessels  952
years, until eli%iIble for retirement. . 799 Envelopes,
transfers of, to Fleet aval Reserve, after duty on, paper .·---···-·-- ;·_ ·-·····--- _- - - 911
16 ycm·s’ service, with authorized Envoy: Excraordmary and llmaura Plcmpopay, etc ·-- - ·.----·-.····- 799 ¤qM¢?¤'!!» ,
after serving 18 years, with pay, etc., for appropmuon for. .:..: .. , . 600, 10•»9
20 yea.rs’ service . . . 800 de icrency SPPYOPHBUUD Fo? ll1¤¤¤¤ -···· · - 3*3
permitted. ifserving more than 12and lem Epvivmwe, _ _
than 16, by reenlisting and complet- appropnauon for prevjentmn ol . 1. . 380, 1102
ing 16 years __________ _ _ _ __________ 800 de ciency apptvphllholl {Of p!’8V9nhO¤ of 38,
restriction on, after authorized strength 51. 338.341. 1166
reduced, and after January 1, 192 . . 800 Epsom Salts,
discharge or furlough of, sewing lem than (111%)* 0¤· ·-····· · --·----··· • —·—·······~· 865
1 years, and in excess of authorized Eq’u'·'W MQN; . .
me h_ __ _____________________ __ 800 apprgpnnnon fo! mspectwn, etc.; labels,
fecrtxitingngiscontinued until number re- _ etc. ...--·---·-·------ ; ----·-.- 513, 1298
{ I ‘}I‘%&quot;‘ ”3;2hr°1.5&quot;S “&quot;°“g“’ ‘‘·‘‘‘‘ 8°° E“&quot;”“”‘;i;‘r1'L.”T”r$&quot;&quot;' °&quot;“' °&quot;'”&quot;”&quot; S1 -29 mg
uro e or , toreceive au- SP FQP ··;··; ·--—···-·--·~ ·*_ ·
uihorized travellowance .. 800 de}%c1encyx;5&gt;pr0pn¢5tw¤§¤y._· 196, 463.10%, 1167
auowrnces, em., is reemiszmg; service 800 Eq¤=pnw;·); Suppiw Dwvwn, P&lt;&gt;¤¢ ODPM
under . - .-----.---- _ P&quot;, *&quot;“&quot;t» .
reenlistment gratuity, etc., not to exceed sppmprmuon for gupenmnendent, etc. . 653, 1249
pay for gggh year of last QDHSUDCDC EQ7·¢@£7F}!7'·t, Mfchanwqlr {uw _
service ______________ _ _____________ 139 de money apgropnauon for xgepqve
tmvel aliowrmces for, on discharge- . 1021 Bfémd » etc-, of, m m‘
if emmsd under a.ge,_ md dmumged _ dusvy. and by the G&lt;&gt;v¤==r¤¤¤¤¤ ---- 48
therefor on appncauon · 1021 E&lt;1¤¤p¢¤¤~§ ·$7¤&gt;1&gt;=, ,P&lt;&gt;#* 017** D°P“”m*'*‘· _
Enlimd Rome om, Army, ¤¤g¤zv¤¤¤¢ fw 118**% P°W*¤» EW ·—--—·- °55· *25**
gp mpmtion fo,. pay ______________ 74, 724, 138,1 de ciency appropriation for light, power, _
Ear commutation of quarters, 6tC ..···--— 7v etc -···--··~···-·—- · ·············· Sd
my clothing _,, . . S1, 728, 1389 for e¤¤1&gt;¢¤¤¢¤ - ~·-·-··--··-··—·--·-·· - - ~ J5&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 42 Part 2.djvu/278</title>
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1° pour empécher l’emba.rque- 1°*. To prevent the embarka.-
ment des personnes présentant tion of persons showings ptoms
des sym tomes de peste, de cho- of plague, cholera, orye].liT&gt;?·fever;
léra ou die fievre jaune ;
2° en cas de peste ou de choléra 2**. In case of plague or cholera,
pour empécher l’exportation des to prevent the exportation of
marchandises ou_ obj ets quelcon— merchandise or any articles which
ques qu’elle considérerait comme he may consider contaminated
contaminés et qui n’auraient pas and which have not been previ-
été préalablemenodésinfectés a ously disinfected on land, under
terre, sous la. surveillance du mé- the supervision of the ph sician
gizicin délégué de l’autorité pu- delegated by the public authority;
que;
3° en cas de peste, pour em- 3**. Incase of plague, to prevent
pecher Yembarquement des rats; the embarkation 0 rats;
4° encasdec oléra,pourveiller 4***. In case of cholera, to see
a ce que l’eau potable embarquée that the drinking water taken on
soit saine; board is wholesome;
5° en cas de fiévre jaune, pour 5****. In case of yellow fever, to
empécher Yembarquement des prevent mosquitos from coming
moustiques. on board.
Cnarrrizn II. · Cxmyrmz II. *
nmsumis nn nnrimsu cournm mcs Measures of dqfeme against can- ¤¤g@°$•i¤'2it¤§°§°
rnmsrromms coivraumizs. taminatcd  
Smrzozv I.—PUBLICATION mss nm- Saarzozv I.—PUBLICATIDN or me
stmns rimscxrrms. runscnmmn MEASURES.
ART. 11.-Le Gouvemement de Anr. 11.-—~The Govemment of e¤ i?&amp;i°°
chaque pays est tenu de publier each country shall be obliged to
immédiatement les mesures qu’il immediately plublish the measures
croit devoir prescrire au sujet des which it be 'eves necessary to
provenances d’un pays ou d’une prescribe with regard to arrivals
circonscription territoriale con- rom a contaminated country or
taminée. territorial area.
Il communique aussitot cette It shall at once communicate
publication al’agentdip1oma.tique this publication to the diplomatic
ou consulaire du pays contaminé, or consular officer of the contamirésidant dans sa capitale, ainsi nated country residinglin its capqu’aux Conseils sanitaires inter- ital, as well as to the internanationaux. tional boards of health.
Il est également tenu de faire It shall likewise be obliged to
connaitre, par les memes voies, le make known, through the same
retrait de ces mesures ou les modi- channels, the revocation of these
iications dont elles seraientl’objet. measures or any modifications
which may be made therein.
Adéfaut d' ence diplomati ue In default of a diplomatic or
ou consulairendans la capitaleflles consular office in the capital, the
communications sont faites direc- communications shall e made
tement au Gouvernement du pays directly to the Government of the
mtéressé. country concerned.
Srcrmzv II.—MAn cHANn1s ms.- Szcrmzv I1.—M1: R CHANDISE.····
Di:s1NFEc·r1oN. — Im&gt;0nrAT10N DISINFECTION.-—IMPORTATION
nr TRANSI’I‘.—·BAGAGES. AND ·mANs1r.——BAceAG¤.
ART. 12.—Il n’existe pas de ART. 12.-——No merchandise is  M m&quot;`
marchandises uisoient par elles- capable by itself of transmitting
memes capablies de transmettre plague, cholera, or yellow fever.
42150°—vor. 42, rr 2-19&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Enlisted Mm, A1-my—Continued. Pls- Enlisted Meri, Marine Qorpe-Continued. _ Pascappropriations for pay of line and stai; sppropnation for bringing home remains
discharges of minors  74 of, dfying abroad, etc. . . 803, 1146
discharges allowed on application, to base psy_o , established ... . . 629
reduce strength to 150,000 .. 74 longeyny mcvesse .. 629
enlistment allowance pay repealed . . . 74 reenlistment allowance .. . .. 629
number authorized at 125,000 .. . . 724 retired psy . .  . ..···· - - 629
for pay, National Guard .  74, 724, 1384 tngvel allowances for, on    1021
for pay, Enlisted Reserve Corps  74, 724 if enlisted under age, _¢md isclmrged
for gwgtiqm increase; maximum number. 74, _ therefor on application . 1021
nhs 72·;,i1?gz Enlisted Men, N¢}1&gt;y, d b-
Hymg` cadets, e tments ... , an 1:1011 or rtation an su
for Fay, Philippine Scouts ...   gg,   ppmldmstence, o e, 6l11 1;g0 1135
for o vi ... . . . . , , etc ..-· , ,
fqgmzggd   _,.,... , .,.. 74, 724, 1384 transporting dependents of . . . 124, 790,1136
restriction on holding two civil offices, for recreation or  124, 790, 1136
not applicable  . . . . .: .. 1384 for pay, retired . . , . 131, 799, 1143
for pay, etc., retired, on active duty. . . 74, for extn psy, on IGBPIJBUDBDL. . 131, 799, 1143
724, 1384 for interest on deposits  .  131, 799, 1143
for commutation of quarters, etc., 19- for pay of  _ . _ . . 131, 799, 1143
tired, on active duty ... 75 for   $60, discharge gntmty . . . 131
§o¢iuts¤est on depczits . .  {07;: ,724, 1385 {or with    ._ .     799, 1143
ortwen csn1n¢:¤e¤se,0n 1g¤ orbnnging meremamso, ying
f   ...   76 d Eu abroad, etc. .   ...   803,1146
or cla.1ms' , ordainages pn- e 'en a ristion or ` me
’3Z€2$¤.,.my ew .. 725,1386 m‘72.'.i‘,l¤&quot;$’£’dyi¤g¤bm..4’“g..‘°g .. 346,463
for payin claims for pay and allowances, base psy grades established for .. 630
World Wm-. . . 726 ratmlgs to be fixed by Seczetary oi the
for disposition of remains of .. 757, 1417 nvy  630
deficiency ap pnstion for extra duty longevity increase .. 630
Y. at mdqmnm, etc- 52, 458. 463, 781 transient pay additions bilefesled .. . ceo
for dP1:position of remains of . 197, psy of insular force at ratings of  630
342, 346, 781, 10Q7, 1168, 1555 reenlistment allowance . 630
for support of dependents  346, 780 retired   ,. 630
base psy of, established . . ..- 629 reduction o , by furlough, discharge, etc.,
longeyity increase ... - . - 629 to 86,000 . .  . .. 799
reenhstment allowance  . 629 may reenlist if served not less than 25
retired pay - . 1 .. Z ...·· 629 years, until e1i§_ble for retirement,. 799
boys under 21 not w be enlisted without transfers of, to Fleet mn Reserve, aim
consent of   . 1384 16 yeau·s’ service, with authorized
indebtpdnes from,t to be to gugtygd  psy, etc _____,,,,_,_   _,,,,,,__ E , , 799
lmprisonmen co e 111 afterservin 18 years, wi , etc., or
monthly installments {mm pay  1013 20 year§ service . . .    800
amount due wh&lt;=&gt;¤_&lt;11¤¤1¤¤rg&lt;&gt;&lt;i my be permitted, it serving mm than 12 md
canceled; condition ... . . - - 1013 less than 16, by reenlisting and comissue of uniforms to   repealed., 82 pleting 16 years  .. . , 800
allowed to 1¤¢¤ ¤€!’V1¤g tW&lt;·&gt;6¤ APN restriction on, after authorized strength
7, 1917, and jannnry 1, 1920; time reduced, and afterlanuary 1, 1923.- 800
limit for applications ... , . . 82 discharge or furlonlgh of, serving lem than
P¤y1¤¢¤¤ made 10, dllfilltg ¢¤¤‘€¤¢ ¢¤h¤°· 12 years, an in excess of authorized
ments validated, gugh unt cou- gtrgugth _______ , ____ _ _ _______ _ ____ 8(»
forming to decisions of officials .. 1018 recruiting iseoutinued until number 1-9.
deductions to be refunded .. 1018 duced to authorized strength .. . 800
payments of death gratuity to D0Dd6P@I§d‘ fnrloughed or discha§cd, to receive au-
Oht   child, GU)., Of, fol‘b1d· thorizgd travel lowaugg _____ ____ _ 800
{len . _. . 1358 allowances, etc., if reeulisting; service
reduction ordered, sojhntéggy apprgipna- under ..,,.,,,, 800
tion for 1922 will d y pay , {0f reenlistment gratuity, etc., not to exceed
the fiscal year .. Z. . 76 pay for each year of last enlistment
subsistence allowances for, on duty with service _______________________ _ ____ 139
National Cguard, chargeable to Army travel allowances for, on discl - . .. 1021
zyproprmtlens .. . - 1162 if enlisted under age, audatgischuged
travellowances for, on discharge  1021 therefor on application . 1021
if enlisted under age and ischnrged Enlisted Reserve Corps, Army,
_ therefor on apglication , . ,,, 1021 apgiroprintion for pay  - ,,,.,,,,, 74, 724, 1381
Enlwtwd 3{en, Manne orps, _ or commutation of quarters, etc ... . 75
appropnstnm for pag, active and class 1, fox: clothing ..,... 81 728 1389
Fleet Manne rps reserve., 136, 808, 1150 members of, injured in active duty en- ,
for allowances for lodging and subsixgt-08 titled to medical and hospital treatemgg _____ , ____ _________________ ,1151 mgnt ____ ___ ____ ____ _______ _ _ ___ 1508
for retired ,., . .,,,,,..,.__, 136, 808, 1151 transportation home on rmjng - -
for undmwn clothing ... 136, 808, 1151 subsistence allowance. -   .   ;   1%
for ccmrpuumon of quarters  . 136 Entertainments, Religious, Educational Oh¢¤·l·
for provisions, etc .. 137, 809, 1151 table, etc., '
for clothing . 137, 809, 1152 exempt from admission tax  290&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Flour—C0ntinued. Pm- Food Products, Agricul¢ural—Qontinued. Pandrawback on, made from imported wheat, appropnationfor d1fEus1ng mformatxon of
allowed op]; when m1xed with 30 940 marketmg, etc., nonmanufactured.  
t 'can.  . .
tempo1lg§`§1lit;?on wheat  9 promoting rmiform standards of claesi- 3
Flower S , cation . . ... 131
duty on. . . ’ . 8 95 deficiency gppropription for facilitating 58
Flowers, d1str1` utiono ... .
duty on, cut ..,,. . ... 894 Food Products, Amenhan, _
drugs, advanced by an}; treatment, not appropriation for investigating chemical,
spec1ally(prov1ded or .   864 etc.,   applied in fol'Q1gl1 counonfree 1st, cru edrugs . 927 tnesto; mspecting, etc  522
Flowas, Anmb (mother), Foods, Drugs, etc., _
Frension increased  . ... 1720 appropriation for investigating adulteraues, tions, false branding, etc .. . . 522, 1306
duty on, welded, seamed, jointed, iron or Fwdn mv p_ gg
F, **1-- --···—·-····~-·-···---·····- 879 appropntgtion ior detecting adultexationsss,5 1352
r G . . . . . . .. . . ... . . .
duty °°' ‘‘'‘‘‘’'‘'‘''‘''‘’''‘’'‘''''’`‘ 869 Foodsluf Army ’
Flushing Bay, N. K, smvlusr cm hm .
- · · ~ , y be sold to friendly
preliminary exammatwn, etc., of, to be f°mign’G0vernmenu__·_______·__ 687717
made .. . .. 1043
1¤z,,a,,g,, F°°·'**u0'·*,   . . .
,»,&quot;,,,..‘*? ?,“·,,..‘“°°.,·,.., ·························· °“* “&quot;&quot;'°&quot;,,&quot;,%'Z°.··§§°',£'{»’,,i'Z,“,‘5?»’¤‘€’ T? $$,3*
enhsted strength ,0f Army not to affect , °1·°· -···-·--   ----·~·-·---··-- 312.1092
· number OL W ____________________ 74, 724 Fgloihréngprgz appropnauon for . 460
I1y'*”gDu¢y» yn my/• Gun ’ · ’
all details for, to receive same increase of P€¤¤1°¤ ----· · -~·—-- ; ··--·---- ; ---·---·· 1728
pg: ctc., as are allowed for similar Fmt wi #{01*0*. me D¤¤“”-*, AWN,
ydugjes _____ _ _________________ 533 appropnauon for emergency use, arrestlimitation on number of officers for; mg. 91c- --·-·- ; -—··------·-··-- 536, 1318
FM Smguom ______ _ ________________ 532 palyment ogogdazrmals destroyed; 11%:3:6 1318
ny 1 -A-1 1&quot;ys ``'` ° ° °```''°''`` . ’
mp,-jatjo { insuructi ____ 72, unexpended balances reappropmaapp H or on expenses 736, 1395 ated  . .. 536, 1318
&quot; Flyrnderborig, “Danish Steamship, Footballs,
owners , may bring suit for collision duty on ..., . ... 912
damaégzs .. 1565 Footwear,
Fly»rm,_Dora ( ughzer), duty on, with wool, cotton, silk, etc.,
pension .. . . 1750 uppers. .. .  913
Fo9 SNMP, _ Forage Crops,
¤PPY3¥m1;~E°¤ {Q! ·--·- · ·····-·--·----·- 479» 1120 appropriation for investigating diseases
Fvsw. _ wz! · (WW), or .,,,.. . ... 514,1299
P°’}¤°¤m°'°“°‘1 -··· · ·······--·· . ··-····· 1 627 for improvement, etc., of.. . 516,1301
F 0111*7*9 R9°’f*» HWW ¢&gt;fRy1&gt;r¢•¢··¢¤¢··&gt;¤» for investigating insects affecting. . 524, 1308
appropnauon for superintendent, folders, 0 Hemizm ny and gmshoppel. and
¤*~¤ -·-·-—---··-···--·-·-····—-— 427, 127 church bug 524 mos
Folding Room, Senate, . ``'` ``°'````°`°````` ’.
appropriation for foreman, assistant, F°°`“g°·   g°&quot;p’·
,.,1.;.,,,,, em __,... . ..,...,,_,_._, 424,1267 :rg,¤ri&gt;,v¤¤¤¤ 0* -··---— - -·-------— 1%.810.1152
Foley Mary E. (mother) F v .””'?! J°'&quot;“·
’ · f deficiency appro riation for services as
F,§?F2»l;z;‘    '-',' ’)&quot;' '`'''``'''''`''``'' 1743 Interstate éiammerce Commzh 'oner. 34
F%1ns;g¤_ j ____ 6 ,,. 1693 Ford, {elm, 1747
o ns ee, ames ., P6 _ -·------· ; -·---· T ---·-·--·-·-...
pension iuprggggd __,_ - .,.,,_,,_,______,,_ 1736 Ford, hfmerva A. (wuiow),
Fonda, Annu 1,, (whiow), pension - - · · -, -·---- 1662
pension ______ _ _ ______ _ _________________ 1658 Fomgn and Domutw Commerce Bureau, Derma, Bapzomz, pqr¢qr·m¢ of Ummm. _ _
on free list, imported for religious pur- approprumou for Director, amrstant direc-
_______,,, , ,,,,_,____ _ _____,_ 93] tors, experts, clerks, em . ... 471, 1112
Food  y-ation, for commercial attachés, clerks, etc. . 472, 1112
dggciemyy gppmpfigtigu fop, gglarig 3%,48 344  t of two for Depmme2;:2’ H12
____,,. , .,_,__, 58, 9 , , u   
expenses 547, 460, 464, 185, 1163,1169, 1553 fogprvmvnng cvmmercv -------·-.-- 472. 1112
Food and Fm; Adyninwumaym, lowance or American branch omces- 472
deficiency apyfréplgiationsegor natipglal secu- 88SlgIlH18Dt for duty 1.11 Department- ,  
nty an e ense, umtio . 54, 344
s,.§°,¥~l2,“.,‘.12;'§“',,°°°“”,.,,.d,‘1’,,%i,‘;&quot; ********8 -·--   1% for peset and ummm., 0,,,, mz
. . · . . · . . . €&quot;1c‘;*- · • ·-···• _ •----··· · ··-·-·--
appropriation for biologxcal mvestmgatxons, for developmgtrade with South and Cenetc-, pf&quot;: ...- · ----···--- _ -; ·---- 522, 1305 tral America .. . ...,. 473, 1112
torinvestrgating market cond1tion¤, sup; amgnment oi trade commissioners for
ply, etc., of . . ... 2, 1313 duty 111 Department ..,.,. .  473, 1113&lt;noinclude&gt;
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80. (Crim@al Code, section 35, amended.) Presenting fain
ciainns; siding in obtaining payment there0f.—~Whoever sha
make or cause to he made or present or cause to be presents
for payment or approval, to or by any person or oiilcer in tl
civil, military, or naval service of the United States, or or
depart.mcut*&quot;ther€0iI, or any corporation in which the Units
Smtcgc of America is 0. stockholder, any claim upon or again
the Government ot the United States, o1·_ any department 4
igtliccr thereof, or any corporation in which the United·Statof America is u stockholder, knowing such `clnim to be {als
iictitious, or fraudulent; or whoever, for the purpose `·
obtaining or aiding to obtain the payment of approval of suc
claim, or for the purpose and·with thelintent olchcating at
swindiing or dctrnuding the Government of the United State
or any department thereof; or any corporation in which tl
United States of America is n stockholder, shall knowing
and willfully fa1s§fy~· or conceal or cover up, by any tric
scheme, or device a material fact, or make or cause to be mae
any false or fraudulent statcxzpcnts or representations, or mal
or use or cause to he made or used any false bill, recci;
 koncher, roll, account, claim. certificate, aEdavit,_ or dépositic
knowingthe same be contain any? fraudulent or iictitious stat
_ 3 ment or cntry,_ shall bé lined not more than $10,000.013 11
Q prisoned not more than ten years, or both. (R. S, § 543:
Mixy 30, 1908, c. 235, 35 Stat. 555i Mar. 4, 1909, c. 321, § 35, J
Stat. 1095; Oct.`23, 1918, c. 194,40 Stat. 1015.)
81. False a$dagit and postdating vouchcfs; false certifies
to vmchers.——Evcry person who knowingly or willfully mqk
or aids, or assists in the making, or in anywiso procutcs ti
making or prwcntation of ‘ any' (also or fraudulent aihdav
declaration, ccrtmchta, voucher} or paper or writing purportiu
to be such, pertaining tonny matter within the jurisdiction
the Secretary of the Interior, shall he punished by a line n
cxcéeding $500, or by imprisonment for a term ot not more tha
tive ygars. (B. S. I 4146; July 7,` 1898, c. 578, 30 Stpt. 118.),
82. (Criminal Code, ._•¢ction 35, amended.) Purloining
stealing permal property of United`$§;tu.-e-Whoever sh:
take aol any away or take for his own usc, or for the u
of another, yvith intent to stahl. or purloin, any peréonul proper
of.1;110 United States; or any branch on department them
or any corporation in which the United States of America
6 a stockholder, shall be ined not more than $10,000 or 1;
° prisoued not more than ten `yenrs, or both. (B. S, S 543
May 30, 1908, c. 235, 35 Stdt. B5; Mnr. 4, 1909. 43- 321. 5 2
‘ 35 Stat, 10%; Oct. 3, 1918, c.` 194, 40 Stat. 1015.) l _· Y
83. (Crinind ‘ (kde, section 35, amended.) Conspiracy
defraud United   ju mgatd to allowance or payment
false ¢l•lm4.e—Whoevm· ghnll enter into any ngrooxnent, com
_ nation; or consptincy to deirnud the Government of the Unit
Statcs, ox: any department or omcer thereof, ornni corpoxnti
in which the United   States ot Amcqim is 8 stockholder,
obtaining or   to obtain the payment¤qr~nHownncc ot a
- talsc or fraudulent claim, shall be hncd not more than $10,0
'01' imprisouednot mom than tqn yénrs, oi; both, -(B. S. { 543
May 30, 1908, c. 235, 35*8tat. 555: Mar. 4; ·1909, c,y821, {1
35 Stat. 1095: Oct. %, 1018, c. 194, 40 Stud .1015.) ~ ‘· c
84. (Crilninsl   section 35,Kded.) -Unhuthoriz
delivery of oertmcatc, rouclm·,' ipt; gte., for milita
or naval px;opcrty.—~Whoever, ming authorized to `mske
deliver any certificate, youchcr, receipt, ort other paper certi:
i_ng the receipt ot arms,_,ammunition, provisions, clothing,
other property :·• or to be' used in the military or 1181
.»rvicc, shall inalge or e( ——. _  oysamokto nny othenj pens
without a {uu knowled  tho' truth ot the factslstated there
and with intent to  z.:  _  d the United ;SC&amp;t%,.61’_ any dem
ment theyeof, or any corporation fu which the United Stan
of America in a stockholderg shall be fined .1161: IDOIG th
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E ANB CRIMINAL QROOEDERE of   90
ae $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or beth. (Rl S.
lll § 5438; May 30, 1908, c. 255, 35 Stat. 555; Mar. 4, 1909, c.
d, 321, { 85, 35 Stat. 1095; Oct. 23, 191S,~ e. 194, 40 Sint. min.)
1e 85; (Criminal Code, section 35, amended.) Unauthorized
xy delivery of money or property for military or naval serviee.——-
ed Whoever, having charge, possession, custody, or control or any
st money or other public property used or to be used in the milior tary or naval service, with intent to defraud the United Ststes,
es or any department thereof, or any corporation in which the
ae, United States of America is a stockholder, or willfully to conot ceal such money or other property, shall deliver or cause te be
zh 1 delivered to any person having authority to receive the same
1d any amount of such money or either property less than that
&gt;s,_ for which be received a certidcate or took a receipt, shell be
be lined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than ten
ly years, or both. (R. S. § 5438; May 30, 1908, c. %5, 35 Stat.
sk, 555; Mar. 4, 1909, c. 321, { 35, 35 Stnt, 1095; Oct, 23, 1918, c.
de` 194, 40 Stat. 1015.) ‘ 0 &quot; (
ke 86. (Criminal Code, section 35, amended.) Unlawful purpt. chase as pledge of m tary or naval property.·——Whoever shall
»n, purchase, or receivelitn pledge from any person any arms,
ie- equipment, ’ ammunition, clothing, military stores, or other
rn- property furnished by the United States, under a clothing al-
8; lowance or otherwise, to any soldier, sailor, omcer, cadet, or
35 midshipman in the military or naval service of the United
_States or of the National Guard or Naval Militlajor to any
ate person accompanying, serving, or retained wit}; tm land or
;es_ naval forces and subject to military or naval lnyv, havin} knowl
he edge _ or reason to ugelieve that the property has been when
it, from the possessi _ or the United Stats or furnishd by the
ng United States under such allowance, shall be nned » not more
ot than $500 or imprisoned not more than two years, er both
lot (R. Q -§_5438_;,,t,May` 30, 1908, c. 235,35 Stat. 555; Mar. if 190%
an c. 321, 5 35, 35 Stat. ·10%;‘Oct. 23, 1918, e. 194, 40 Stat. 1015.)
pi   87. (Criminal c Code, section 36.) Embeuiinj arms and
or shres.—Wh0ever shall steal, embozzle, or knowingly gpply te
all bis own use, or i ‘¤wi?n1ly sell, convey. or   et, any
nee ordnance, arms, ammunition, clotning,   stores,
my money, or other property of the. United Statw, inrnished or to
ot, be used for the military or naval service, shall be punished as
ig prescribed in sections S0 and 82. to 88 otithis tit1eQ (R. S
m-. 5. 5439; Mari 4, 1909, c. 321, 5 36, 35 Stat. 1®6.)· `
8 ; &quot; 88. (Criminal Code,   37.) Eonspirings to commit ef-
35, fense against United St•tes.—»-It two or more persons eonspira
either to commit any odense against the United States, or to
to defraud, ·the_United States in any mdnner or for any purpose,
of and one or more ot such parties do 'any actto edect the object
bi- of the eonspiracy, each of the parties to isnch conspiracy shell
ed be nned not more than $10,%, or imprisoned not more than
on ,  two years, or both. (R. S. Q 5440; May 17, 1879, c. 8, 21 Stat. 4;
by i lar. 4, 1909, c. 321, § 37, 85 Stat. 1®6.) u Q
ny` .89. Threats against Pruident.——Any person _ who knowingly
»00 end willfully demits or causes to be deposited for conveyance
;3; in the mail or for delivery from any post omce or by any letter
35, `carrleriany letter, paper, writing, print, rnissive, or document
` containinj any threat to take- the lite of or to inflict bodily
;ed_· harm enpon the President o£ the United Suites, or who knowm·y‘ lngly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against
or the Prfesident, shall upon conviction be ined not exceeding
ty- $1,000 or imprisoned not exceeding §ye__years, or both. (Feb.
or 14, 1917, c; 64, 39 Stat. 919.) _ _ `· ~_ - . I _
rd 90. (Ci·imin•l·Code, section 38.)&quot; Interfering with delivery
son of prize ~property.eWhoever shell willfully do, or aid or advise
ein in the doing, ot any act relating to the bringing in, custody,
rt· preservation, sale, or other disposition of any property captes tured ds kize, or relating to any documents or papers coni
an nected with the property, or to any deposition orother docu-,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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make an accurate éiimibutiom or gpéoctionment of nlm,
prmts,   deductions; or mmm! bctwou or smog mh
related tndu m· bud¤  consolidate the accounts of sock
related tradoo or“ busi¤ .k · A   . ~» ‘ 0 ”
(E) For we .p f ct this   ¤¤¤t1e&lt;1_
to the become of séct1o¤;1w0 shall be tod is': foreign
oorporodou. (Jimo'2   4.01 p. m., c. $-4, O 240, 43 Stat;
2%, ) _ _ _ ’
&quot;¤~\\ INSURANCE COHPANIM
_ 1691. Same-; taxes i¤@d in liw ofother taxes.-·I¤ lieu
of the taxes imposed by séctqions  E¢11d @1 of this title, there
shall be levied, collected, and phidtogkoach taxable yur upon
the not income of every life insurance coxppany a tg: soloilows: (1} In the case`ofardo@tio_l1fe insurance company, the
&quot;snmo peroeétogo or ::8 not imme as is mmm vim other
corporations by sootion @1 of this title; 4 ,
(2) In the case of a foreign life insorsmoe company, the
same percentage of its nat. income froxg sources within the
Unitod States as is   upon ther not income of other
Ecorporations bi pection 981 of this title. (_Ju11o{ 2, 1924, 4.01
_p.m,,c.234,§24~3,43StoL$0,)-_     .- it I
*1092.     companies; dehition of.-—-When hood
in this chapter the term &quot; life   company &quot; means on
‘ insoraoco company   in the   of   lite ing
suronce and ammity contracts (including goptracts of combined
_lifo, hoqtla; and accident. insurance,) ,_ tho`. reserve funds of
whiol; held; for the fu1§ilmont of such   comprise more
than 50 per éentumjoofoitoototal reserve funds. (June 2, .1924,
§.01p.m.,tc._234]§‘242, 43&quot;St¤t..288.). ‘ · » I
o l` IMS. Same; gross} inoomc; reserve fmgdo required- by law.+
A (u) Io thoimse of {life insurance compaxgy the term &quot;grosa
income f' mans the grow amount of income roceivefduriug
the tarablo . year from interest, dividends; and rents. .
_ (b)__ The term “ reserve funds required by·__`law &quot; includes,
in tm case of ass ont insurance, sums Bactually deposited by
any company or association with State `or 1‘erritoria1 omcors  
pursuant to law as guaranty or `reserve   nod any funds `
maintniw under the charter or artiélm of moorporgtion
of the company or association cxclusiyely for tho, pnymodt of
cmims arising node: certiHonties of momberihip or pollcica
imxed upon the asmmont   and notsubjoct to any other
  (juno 2, 1924,}.01 p. m., ct 234, { 244, 43?·S§:at.· 289.) — .
1$0~4. Same; not inbomo; oomp¤t•tio¤;‘   deductwss-¢—(a)¤In the daze of p Htoiiusoranco company the term
&quot;¤ét‘iooomo&quot; means the moss iocome loss--,   ·
(1) Tho amount of interest received during the taxnbb
year which wider pnrqgrgph (4) of subdivision (b) of section;
954 of this title b éxoropt from C8’XHti0I1_\i11d81' this chapter;
{2) An amount wool to the orooss; if any, over the dodoc·`
tion spocmed in mrayoph. (1 ) of this subdivisioxyof 4 per
oontum of the moaxalof the resorvofunds required by lowand
. `-Mid at the bégiimlnz and end of the taxable year, plug (ip caseot lito Uinooraoco oompagxim ironing. policim covering; life,
health, ud accident insurance combined i¤_ one policy issued
on the weekly premium-  payment plan, cootimiingf for lifo
and not subjoot to cancellation) 4 por contum of the moan fof
rock roservofuzads (not-roquirodby law) held at the bezfxming
ood ond of the taxable your, on the Commissioner of Internhl
Bevoxmo dads to be necessary for the protection of- the holders
of such policies only;   · · , _
(8) The mxgouot received s,s¤d1vide¤ds•(A)   a domestic
corporation other . than u corporutioué entitled to the‘· honoms
of soctioxi 1030 of·this title, nd other than on corporation organ-
- ized `undor sections 141 to 162'of Title 15 (the Qian T1’8d€.A¢£;
1022) or (B) from ami foreign corporation when it is shown.
to the satisfaction of the commissioner that ¤oi·o than- 50 per
,ooht;1m.’of the gross `mcomo of such foreim co1jporat.ton_ for.

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the three-!¢¤1',pcriod endhx with the close of its taxable you
precedlg the declaration d such dlvldmda (or for meh pap;
,of ouch   as the toreimx corporation me been in existence)
was wlved from aonrcefwltlmin the United States as dow:.
m1ned¤nd¤·¤ection%8;’t '·  
(4) An amoant qual to 2 per centm of any wma held at
the   of the   year as a reaerre for évldenda (other
than dividends payable during me rm   » e the taxable
year) thepaynent ot which ia deterred for a   of not l:;sg
than-Eve yarn tromtha date of the   contract; — '
(5) ‘ Iavmtment `cxkaaeapaid during theataxable year: Pm.
cédedg That H any_ l ex  are in part mwncd to or
included in the lnvestment expenam, the total deduction lander
thla paragraph shall not exceed one-·£o¤rth&quot; of 1 per ccntnm or
the book valnezod the mean ot the invested umm hadnt the
bemnnlng and em of the taxable yur; -_ v .
__ (6) true   ex  paid durma the taxable yea;
exclusively upon or with respect to the real estate owned bg
the eonxmny, not including taxea &amp;¤aed anlnat lou!-benc-
Hta ot a  tadtx to   the value of the moperty
i8 d,‘ and not lncludtagany amount paid om for new wildlnzs, or for permanent   or neae¤@ iade to
increase the&quot;’value otany property; The deduction allowed by
th.la_paragraphahallheallov@int11e¤¤of¤x¤wnosed
upon a shareholderoot a   upon lla lnterwaashare
holder, which are paldby the pany   rdmbmiexncnt `
from t® shareholder, but   ** =·- · ··  @81 be
allowed the shareholdernor the @¤nt»of nchwxuz
(7) A neasonable_allowanca,tor   and U
tear ot property, including a.     for ®eol&amp;-
cence; ‘     .»
(8) All interest paid or accrnedwtthm   taxable yearon _
its   except on   `imenrrwer connnmed
topurchaae orcarry obli  or eecurik (other thnobli-
..gationa ot the United $tatea issued  September SA, 1917;
and origlnally mbscribed for by·   taxpayu) the interest '
_ upon whlch is wnouytemmpt from taxation oder this chapter;
(9)InthecaaaotadmeatlclltalnanrancecommlI.the”
net lneomeot which (computed vitthout the henedttc! thin
paragraph) ls&quot;.%Q000 or less, the nm ofQ,i0w;_ but it the net
ln@lsmoretha.n%,000thetaxlm byaec~¤on·1001
of this title shall not exceed the tax which would bepayahlc if
the$2.009credlt weaeeuowdtplmtaeemmtumewm
`comalnexcem`ot¤6,000._ f l   ( _
(lz) No deduction shall bdmada   paragraphs (6).and
Q (7) of `anbdlvlaion (a) _»cn_ account oi any ml utate owned
gandoccopled inwholaor lnpart by a llte   com@  
lunleastherelalncl¤dedlnther®¤.rnortg·oc•incometherental
e value of themace so occupied. Such rental valne shall be not
less than a » sam which in addition to any rents received Erm
other tenants shall provide a net inc@e· (after deducting taxes.
depreciation, and  other expenm) at the rata ot 4 per
centdh per annumof the book value at the end ot the taxable
nyear of the real estate ooowncd or occupied. (Jana   1924.
4.01¤·m·.c.‘%4.§245.‘4·B8t¤$·289.) . Y
N05. Sane; foreign cdrpnratkna; net income.-—In the case
ot a torelgnllte insurance company th-amount ot- its net
lnconm for any taxable year from sources within the United
Statm ahalllbo the same proportloh ot its not income for the
taxable year from puter within and without the United
States which the rmarvo funds required by lavy and held by
it at the and ot the taxable ymr upon bueineea transacted
within. the United Statestla of the reserve funk held by lt
at the and of the taxable year upon all buaineae transacted.
.(.Tunc 2, 1924. 4.01 D· we c. @4. { 245, $3 Stat. Zw.)
1006. Other insurance conpaaiea; taxea inpaaed; gras in- .
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TITLE 19.-CU
(yleapter 1.-COLLECIIONI DISTRICTS, ·_POR'l‘S, l AND
`_0FFICERSs . '_ J __ _ ,' ,· .
6. _Depntiu and other customs omeers, laborers, and employees; appointuat; compensation, and duties; ·
The title “B•ariI of Geaoral.Appralsers” vias chanied to “United
States Customs Court&quot; by Actot May 28,-1928, c. 411, 5 1, 44
Stat. 609, constituting] 405:1 of this title of· the appendix. _`
Chapter -3.-—'l‘H·E TARI-FF AND RELATED PROVISIONS.
. Subtitle lI.—FRl?.E LlST _ ` A
Sec. _ . ‘ ‘ _
122. Free list. _ ·. U -
Subtitle III.-SPECIAL PROVISIOETS. _
  APPEALS AND PROTESTS U l W
U 1G9.·Appeals, etc., fromdetermlnation ol? appraisers.
l'§l?AlR_&quot;_ME’l‘HOI)S. OF COMPETITION AND' IMPORTATION
` - UNLAWPUL ._ ‘ · e
l'2’6. Same; conduct of investigations by Taritfbommission; findings
appeals to Court of Customs Appeals and review by Supreme
Court. &quot; _ - · &quot; .  `_ ·
· Subtitle lV.—CUS‘l‘OMS ADMlNlS'1‘BA'l‘lON
ADMIXIS1‘IlATI\’1:l PROVISIONS ·
Paar 2.——R1—:roa·r,,.Es·ra1j, aan Usnanmce. or Vnssnns Asn Vnmcuze
284. jlanlfeets of vessels in coastingjtrade.
285. Entry for goods, taken or delivered- at intermediate ports. _
Paar 3.-¥A§CEkTAINIIENT, Connacrxox, ann llncovnar or Dumas
361. Addltionall duties where xnerchandise. undervalued; 1'raudulen
undervalaation; assessment ot duties upon amount less thae
entered value. . . · . _ _. . ‘ T
381. Appeal for reappraisement to Board of General Appraisers.
385. AB&amp;!§€¤I ot ad   duties; duties on coverings or con
392. Examination ot lxnporters, conslgnees, agents, etc.; production oz
. — do·cnments..·’   _ . ° _ _
394. Inspection . of exporter°s books: qtallure to permit;_ prohibiting
l` importation; ylthholdlng delivery of and selling merchandise
395I Inspection of importer-•s books; prohibiting importation; with
~ holding delivery ot and selling merchandise. S
398. Protests;  aity tor: time for filing; contents; amendment.
399. Same; review of decision by collector; refunds; tlnallty ot. deter
mlnation on protest. _   _ · -. ·
{00. Complaint by American 'manutacturer, producer, or wholesaler
appraised value ot imported merchandise; appeal for reappralse
meat by Secretary of Treasury, eonslgnee, or American manu
tacturer, etc. _   _ _ _. _
_402. Same; coplm ot appealsjand proteststor consignee;_appcarance
by-constgnee··before Board of General Appraisers; appeal ti
Court of Customs Appeals. ·  
403. Same; inspection ofedocuments, etc., ofconslgnee by Americlu
t ·_ manufacturer, etc. ‘ _ _ ·
104. Frivolons appeals or protests; penalty; Bling appeal.- _ .
405. Board of General Appraisers; members; yacancies; salnries'; re
moral; odlceipowers ot board and members thereof; preside-nt
expenses: retirement. ` _ ‘.
‘405a. “Board of General Appraisers ”; tltlevchanged to “United State:
Customs Conrt i’; tltlelof members. [New.]  
405b. Activities and constitution ot board unaffected. [New.] ° _
406. Decisions of general appraisers; filing; inspection; copies for col
Q lectors and Secretary ot Treasury; publication. .
Paar 4.——-Taassrmrarxoa is Bonn no Waannousrso or lllnncinaknese
404. Deterioration of or injury to merchandise ln bonded warehouses
abatement on allowances lor; abandonment of merchandise b;
r eonslgnee.   - ~ e ‘ _ . —
i Pas·r‘5.—~Exroac1e:sessr Paousroxs l
632. Remission or rnitigation of fines, penalties, or forfe·itures.'

`STOMS DUTIES  
ISTOMS DUTIES e
&quot; “Subtitle II.-Free List
*122. Free list. i ’
’ I l Scumuw 15 __
I · Parairaph ISK efseetien 122 of Title 19 aleetd.-»Paragraph 1506
  ot ~section·122 of Title 19 was a¤ected.·by resolution of May 24,-
* 1926, c. 318, 44 Stat. ·629,\wh1ch_reads as follows:
‘ ,“ Notwithstanding the; provisions ot pengagraph 1506 of Title II
&quot;of the _'1‘arit't. Kct of 1922 éattle which heretofore have strayed
·across·-the boundary Iineinto any foreign country, on- which haves .
been driven across such boundary line by the owner for tempomrjr
pasturage purposes only, or which may so strayer be driven before May 1, 1926, and the omspring and   of any auch cattle, shall be admitted free of duty under regulations to be pre-
1 scribed by the Secretary ot ‘ the Treasury if brought into the
United States at any time before December 31, 1926. _, _
— “Sue. 2,._ The Secretary ot_ the Treasury shall, uhder regulations
_ preseribed by_him, remit am} refund guy duties ou any such cattle
and their ot!spring_ am} increase brought i¤to\.the United States
?\ arte; December 30, .1925, :1ud_ before the enactment ot this_resolu·
.tiou. Such refunds shall be made upon application thereto: made
within one year after the enactment of this resolution. There is
; hergby guthoriged to be appropriated an amount necessary to make
e suc re unds.&quot; _ · .
Subtitle III.-Special. Provisions
_ Q APBEALS AND PROTESTS
5 169.· Appeals, etc., from determination of appraisers.
' The title “Beard of General Appi·aieera&quot; was changed to “United
· States Customs Cou‘rt’* by Actef May 28; 1926, e. 1111, § 1, 4{
  Stat. 699, constituting! 405a of fhis title ot the appendix.
  UXFAIR METHODS OF COMPETITION   IMPORTA-
t _ &quot; _ TION UNLAXVFUIF » ”
m · . · · U ; ,4 ‘_
_ 176. Same; cogduét of investigations by Tarif Commission;
A. Endings; appeals to Court of _ Customs Appeals and review by
` Supreme Court. ‘ - . ~ “
4 · . • ‘ I · ~ l .
[ The title ·“ Board of General Appraiaera” was chnuged to “United
_ States Customs Court &quot; by Act.ot_May 28, 1926, c. 411, Q 1, 44_
; Stat. 669, constituting { 405s of this title ot the appendix.
B . A ‘ · ; ‘. . . . ”
_ Subtntle IV.-·Customs Admnmstratnon
P _ _ ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS
t_ ,PAm: 2.-—·-RIVBPORT,. ENTRY, 'nm Uxmnrnc or Vtssms sm;
` — · . Vnmcms _ ·
  . 284. Manifest; &quot;of__vessels in coasting trade. [Repealed.]
t- Seetioa 284 ·•f‘Title 12, repealed.-¤—The pnjovisions ot R. _S. 3116,
constituting { 284 ot §l‘i_t1e 19 of the Code, have been repealed by
5 · Act ot July 3, 1926, c. ‘757,` { 3, 44 Stat. 832, entitled &quot;An Act to
5 creates-siith great district to include all the collection distriets
‘ on the Greait Lakes, their connecting and trhutzzry waters; as tar
r east as the Raquette River, New Yo_rk.&quot; - _
285. Entry for goods taken or delivered sat intermediate
»- ports. J[Repe&amp;1€d-I ~ ‘ · _
i ‘ Seetieu 285 ot Title 19 repealed.-—~—·'1‘he provisions ot ·R. S. 3117,
constituting 5 2·85_ot _Ti‘tle`19 of this Code, have been repealed by
s` Aet of July 3, 1926, g.~757_, { 3, 44 Stat. 832, entitled &quot;A¤ Act
, · to create u, ‘sixth_grent district to inctude all the collection districts
on the Great Lakes, their connecting and' tribnxtary waters, as `far
~’ east as the Hnquette River, New _York.&quot; _ . , - `
PART 3.--··-—ASCHTtAIN—M$ENT, COLLECTION, AND Rxeovxmf OF Dtrrxsgs ·
rz · . I . _ - . ‘
_; 361. Additional ~duties where merchandnse undervalued;
`Z frsuduleut undervsluatioxr; assessment of duties upon amount
' less than entered value. » _ ·_ . ·
  The title “Board o!`Geuernl Appraiser; ?’ was egsnged to “Ynited
States Customs Court&quot; by Act of Many   192 , ¢·. 411, §_ 1, ·1—§·
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p 2201 ·1N1
_ Consular Com·ts———Continued
1 Sentence and punishxnent——~Contix1ued \_
Imposition by consul on conviction in criminal case,
p. 652, § 1j49, ‘ _ .· ._ ·‘ = .
Transportation of convicts to designated places, p. 513,
p §697 Q`j   ’ _   ,
`Suspension of consular courts incertain co ntries author-
. - V neo, ness, §·1s2   -_ · Z · ‘ ~
System of laws applicable, p. .652, § 145 _ p ,_
Treaties with certain `countries authorizing establishment,
p. 651; § 141; D-   5 177: PQ 655. §,§ .181, 183 ‘
Trial byconsul in criminal case, p.- 652,.§ 149 ,
Turkey, provisions of law applicable to, p. 655, § 181 ‘
·Venue in civilcases, p. 652, § 143 _   .· . .
Vice consul at ;Shangliai‘ to` exercise judicial nfunctions of
‘ consul general, p. -652, § 14{ · : lL_' .
Witnesses, authority to prescribe form of oath and mode
I of exan1ina·ti&lt;:n,·p;`652, § 146; . J `I &quot; '
Consular 0&amp;cers of Foreign Governments _ ,
See also Foamos Drrmuarxc Asn Conscmln Orrromns
Uonsuls and Consular 0Mcers ‘ · ` ·
` Sec also Funnies Snavxcs. ,___
False certincation of documents, penalty, p.’469, §‘127 _
Instructions, preparation by·State Department, p. 37,; § `162
Return of register of foreign vessel to master before clearance, penalty, ·p.‘ 583, § 248 ° · ‘ `
` Containers · ° ‘
see 'Wmomrs asn `BIEASUREQ
Ilorkteinpt — 3 _ &quot;   I · -
` Bankruptcy proceedings, contempts before referees, p. 250.
Consular courts, authority to line or imprison for contempt,
p.ess,—515r»‘   _   ·
Conrtsjmartial, authority- to punish for contempt, p. 1160.
-art.42(a) I . __ `, ,
Criminal contempt, proceedings against dividend, p. 910,
§§ 3S6&gt;390   _
Jury refusing to take oath, p. 909, § 385 . .
Limitation of time for punishment; p.i910, § 390 ‘
Uathlimposed by court, refusal to take, p, 909, § 385 .
Witness refusing to takeoath, p. 909, § 385 g
Corrtinuances. -_ , · , _ b-»‘ _ _
Action against delinquents for public money, p.   5 781
Actions on debentures issued by collectors of customs,
p.9j41,§'7&amp;i ·  ;‘.  
bA1lfll01’it§Y of district&quot; judge of Maine, p. 383, § 165*
Internal-revenue mass; p. 738, Q 159 .- '
· Suits under postal laws, p. 940, § 782 ~
Contraband &quot; -   g . _
See Inroors ANDBEXPORTSQ Narxoxlu. Paonxn11*ioN; Tsar§s··
nonrarron
Conrict Labor t .  
I Products of convict labor, use by Post Office Department,
prohibited, p, 48, § 367 _ 0
Consists . ” x _ '
· See Parsons AND‘PRIBON3IHS'
llogoly Trade   ’   _ , ·l
Building vessels to engage in trade, penalty, p. 155, § 333 .
Contracting to supply cooly labor, p. 156, § 339 ·
Examination of vessels, p. 156, § 337, &quot; 0 ~ °a
Forfelture.of‘vessels‘enga@d in trade, p. 155; § 3322
Involuntary transportation of orientals, p. 156, 5 338
Qrolimition of trade, 9. 155, 9331 &quot; , 1
Puni   ment for engaging in trade, p. 156,*} *334
Voluntary immigration of coolies, p. 156, §§ 335, 336
Cooperative Marketing Acf ”
· See Aoaioomuas ‘ ·

DEX t
Copyright . · 6 Q . .
Abridgments as copyrightable works, p. 450. § 6 __  
~~ Actionsand proceedings under copyright   jurisdiction t
_ of district courts, p. 867, § 41 (7) ‘ &quot; _.  `
r' Actions for infringenientf see Remedies for infringement,.
_infra_. ·‘ `. _ I Ni -`
Adaptations and arrangements   copyrightnhie. works,
`-p.450,·§6°' ° ·
Addresses _ _ .
Damages for infringement, p. 452. §   tb)
-1 Mode of obtaining copyright, .p. 451. §§ 11. 12‘
‘.Protection by copyright, p. 449, § 1 (ci', Q
Ad interim copyrights H y . .· ‘   . .
· Exvtensionrof nd interim period to' fnli —terzn. p.~ 43*2;,
‘ _Proceedings to procnre nd interim protection. p. 43:2*.,.
_‘¥°Aliens_ _ -. —. _ _ L i
_ Musical conxpositions, right   to -n1e·.·hz1ni&lt;·nl repro-  
‘ duction, p. 449, § 1 (es i ‘ i e t  
‘   Right to protection. p. ‘4Z»0.*§ 8 . , i
Arf~·',_     _, .j
Damages for infringing painting, smrne. or sentpinre,. ispi
· W p. 452,‘§ 25¤(b} _ &quot; { ,_ _  
·· Proceedings to obtain copyright of work of nrt. pz —i.3l.. ,e»,  
§§ 11, 12 ‘ _ ·` r  
»Rigl1t‘t0 complete. execute, or tiriishjrmnleis or- designs,
. _ ·p,g{49,§1(b)`t . &quot;  
. Assignnwnts ;· , _ . ’ · i i
Certificnte of record, p. 455. § 43 .` _ _ _
Execution ni foreign country, achwmledgnient. p. —iI'»=i,i _
_ § +13 . . . · i
Form of assignment. p. 454. § »t2· ii _ 
, Materiel object not transferred by assignment of copy—  
right, p.‘454, § 41 Q- » b ·    
`_ Recording assignment in_ Copyright Oflice. necresxitgy.
  454,  44   _· ’ . i is
Rightof assignee of author to obtnizrcopyright, pi. ~£STit},“
1 § 8 Y e . a   &quot;  
Substitution of aseignees anime in notice of copyright,
‘ ‘ p. 455,§&amp;B “U  
Author ·
  niso Persons entitled to copyright. intro
Dednition. p. 456, § 62 ‘_ ‘ 1 ~ 5
~ Unpublished works, right to protectitrnia;*c·&gt;:nmon lore, j
. @450.52* ‘     · M
Catalogues of Copyright Entries K _  
Compilation and printing, p. $455, § 36 ·
A Dlstriontion end sate. p.: 455. § 57
.E¤ect es evidence, p;   § ae g
.Comn1on—la€r right of property, effort of copyright hm-. po
_ 450, § 2 _ . i _ .   » · ‘
Compilntiong ns copyrightnbie works. pZ{45o.` §·»`6  
Component parts of copyrighted works, eee itiglns seen
_ and protected, infra , . _` · _
` r ¢Com.poeite' works, see Rigtxte secured endo protected. ernpee,
Copyrightoble works, see-—§.nbjects of copyright, intro  
Copyright Gmce { . , ~ Y . _ ·.  
Copies of entries, rig`!} of public to tnke. p,    
  * Fees for services, p. 436, »§ dl. g ‘ _ X K` l  
Recordsand works deposited, open ro gsnnlie inspection,
  .r·4·’56.t5S’ ‘ _‘ ‘
Records, preservation, p. ~1~o5, § —l`Z‘ ,
Register and assistant register. p. 455.   4,%
_ Seal ofomce, p. 455, § 52 ‘   ·
Costs in copyright suits, up. {H2, §· *‘·:Z.’¢f ·
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* ''Poems from the Divan of Hafiz'' (1897) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/poemsfromdivanof00hafiiala}}
* [[Syria: The Desert and the Sown]] (1907)
* (trans.) [[Not All the Sum of Earthly Happiness]] by [[Author:Hafez|Hafez]]
* Amurath to Amurath (1911) 
* The Palace and Mosque of Ukhaidir: A Study in Early Mohammadan Architecture (1914) [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51664 Gutenberg]
* {{EB1911 link|Druses}} (''in part'')
* ''The Letters of Gertrude Bell'' (1927) 2 volumes. ([http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html#bell Project Gutenberg Australia version])

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* The Palace and Mosque of Ukhaidir: A Study in Early Mohammadan Architecture (1914) [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51664 Gutenberg]
* {{EB1911 link|Druses}} (''in part'')
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* The Palace and Mosque of Ukhaidir: A Study in Early Mohammadan Architecture (1914) [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51664 Gutenberg]
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* &quot;[[the bigness of cannon]]&quot;
* &quot;[[Buffalo Bill's]]&quot;
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* &quot;[[/when god lets my body be/]]&quot;
* &quot;[[/why did you go/]]&quot;
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Q'*•**°°· •*°·· ‘°' and heis also authorized in his discretion to furnish living quar-
  ters in such buildings ai other oilicers arid employees not herein
provided for, at rates to be determined by him. ·
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  _ To enable the Department of State to perform the duties devolv-
img·p]pon.1t· under the laws regulating immigration of aliens into
&quot;°'·‘°·°·‘”· the _ mted States, including the same objects specified in the Acts
making approtpriations for the Department of State for the fiscal
year 1927, un er the heads of salaries and contingent expenses of
the Department of State salaries of Foreign Service oilicers, allow-
-ance&lt;for__clerk hire at  States consulates, transportation of
in me W diplomatic and consular oihcers and clerks, and contingent e enses,
uu. I _ United States consulates, $490,000, of which not to exceedx£35,000
. shall be available&lt;for personal services in the District of Columbia
under the Classification Act of 1928.
asmar AND rao·ruc·r101v or Aunmcau snnnm
 °'Am°d` For relief and protection of American seamen in foreign countries
in the Panama Canal Zone, and in the Philippine slands, and
  American seamen in the Territory of Alaska, in the
Hawaiian Islands, in Porto Rico, and in the Virgin Islands, $125,000.
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wg- no For salaries of Foreign Service officers as provided in the Act
    ·°· · approved May 24, 1924, entitled “An Act forthe reorganization and
_ improvement of the Foreign Service of the United tates, and for
V (iZllB1‘ purposes,&quot; $2,890,000.
nQ;r¤¤¤=¤¤¤ ¤¤&lt;¤ ¤¤¤-· DIPLOMATIC AND CONSULAR
fsamsnms, nrrmoxxric, consume, nm roxuzxsx smvrou orrxcms
wmm RECEIVI!I`G’·INBil‘RUOHONB ann m mmm
;3:;t¢;=y¤¢i¤¤ •¤¤ To pay the salaries of ambassadors, ministers, consuls, vice consuls,
` and other oilicers of the United States for the (period actually and
necessarily occu 'ed in receivin instructions an in ' transits
P1 S
to/and from their posts, and while awaiting recognition an author-
nf B-· °°°· &quot;'*°· P-City to act in pursuance with the provisions of section 1740 of the
  Statutes, $20,000.
'TBANSPORTA'HON_ or nxrnouamo, ooustmn, Aim roamorz smvxcn
orrxcnns `
'rrmwmuuu. ew., To pay the.-itemized and verined statements of the actual and
°“&quot;°°°&quot; necessary expenses of transportation and subsistence, under such
_ , regulations as the Secretary of State may prescribe, of Diplomatic,
I &quot;` C Consular, and Foreign Service odieers, and clerks in embassies, lega-
· tio and consulates, including ollicers of the United States Court
fo:?}hina, and their families and effects in going to and returning
iromtbeir Kats, or of such omcers and clerks when traveling imder
orders of e Secretary of State, but not including any expense
Pv••••- I incu1·red’in connection with leaves of absence, $275,000: Provided,
  Thatno part of said sum shall be paid for transportation on foreign
vessels without a certincate from the Secretary of State that there
are no American vessels on which such oilicers and clerks may be
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IncomoTaa:, Titleil,  1fuaf I926-· Pam- IncameT¤.1:, Tizla I I , Revenue Act of19z6— Pan.
Continued. _   L .=’· -· Continued. ·
gain- or loss on   property; ~ earned income provisions- - ; ...s... · é- 20
‘ V   by reorgsuizafiomalter meaning of·&quot;eamed·i¤come’* as com-
  81, 1911; aunt as in pcnsstion for personal services
,ba.uds of.tra¤sfor0t;..;é;¤;L;--- 15 - rendered. ....... - ..... ~ ; ..... - ’ 20
after Dcnnmber 31, .1920, by issue exceptions ..... --.;-4; ......... 20
= bf stnggiutci, same umm lands allowance, if combined with up-
of tra cr0r-----..-:;-;.~-;T- 15 itiL;.;.u.---;-.:.; .... ·---;-;-- 20
aftép IQ¤¤cmh¤·f81,¤ 19B3gfcf stock &quot;earncd i1mcmc·deduuet·iouq'? ....... 21
. d1str1butgd..t¤~lz¤.xpsy¤u.-.;;;---- 15 &quot;esrncd·p•t.i¤nhmc,f’ mimmum and
acquired :byxmv0lu1i1m·y, ctc., can- ma.¤mum;;;-;-.:--; ...... ;--- 21
` Qi version, ,sa.m¤ Vu property con— credit ulowui in computing im1ivid·  
— vert¤d;¤--..L...;·-; .... ;.. -..; 15 ualnurmnlcrsurtax .... ..-4-- 21
QQ acquiring other December 31,;-920, &quot; .: members of partnershipsgau. ...- 21
» fpmport¥¤:id¢nt.ip•l;tb   i normal   imome ofindivid-
posed 0 , same as that |t¤ck-;-, 16 I °1n.•k..-;.·-;.·;;-;; .-.-.. » .-...... 2 1
mquured· before March °1, 1918,: chat `. ; upon first $4,0000f citizens or msi-
&lt;.:01• market v•luo-»;.--;»¤;'--»--- 16 dents; na¤t~$4,000 .... ----;;.-- 21
for doplctk;13 · exhaustion; ohm, aime ` nonresident alicxmin contiguous coun-
as for _ e, chez}-; .---.--- ;--.,- 16 try, vforvpuscnal services, not
mines dmnoverdt nite: February ` exceeding $4,000 .-....- .. .-...- 21
, 285 21918, market- value at time a.ddihiom{   family cx-
3  of discovery; maximum ---. ;-- 16 em&amp;1;g&gt;n s¤dv$4, ; exceeding
_ oil q¤d1ga•»wcl1s;.11r•ximum---1-- 16 $4, ..-7,;..,.;,--.. ..... ..--,,..- 21
mvcntqncs may be used to dehcrmmc surteu in .add1tm¤ iqo normal tax;
mcome of taxpa.yer--;; --- - --.. 16 I rwap.;.,-_.;-~ ..-. ..,.- :..-;-..;t..-- 21
net lossm; detcrmiua.ti0u of---;-- ..-. 17 ·_ ·; maximum from sglaof. mmcs, 01]. or
limitgtion qu deguctiqns; loqscunct _  gas walls, etq...,.- .`.-- .-,.., -... , 23
_€:l¤§ud9d wit ,bus1noqs,...·..,-,--- 17 net inogga defined; basis forgcmpqt- A 23
cap] 0ssQs···vr····¢·•·•v·¤···•—Pe·-—— 17 ” ·•·•··-*·-é~nv·-e·r*··•»- ·-·*-*--·
deplztiéng   yard gn wells .--.- --- 17 if taxpayer ohangeq pccqunisxang po- 
corporation diy douds..-. .....-... - 17 ri0d.·-.,.--,...--,...,,--.-,, .... 23
nuwarqst-free {mm tax atc.; .-.....-- 17 from salon ppénstallmeut plan, ctc.,
amount of , _in compuhpg Qucome for of person or real property -... 23
put taxable ygsrg ..-..-.---., 17 gross income g1e§ngd· sources inc udgd, 23
allowed,   gxceeding A net income salaries _qf ‘-the { {1$rbgd4é¤t, judibial  
V for guccoedinq taxable year -... 17 - ind Gcvvhimdut '0iHcersQ gnd
applicatwu for oss sustained in ° employees .....- j.; .... ° -.-.-.. 23
second yen; if qxceciiiing ncti I professions, truda, bdsiuesses, rents,
income-- -7; .-...... L, .---.- 17 dividgpds, ctc;;;,;,--  .....-.. 24
for czgital gum, ...... , .-/ -..- ,- - 17 received i taxable year ...- ; ; - ,_- - - 24
applica - on to third ygmn-; ,---4, -- 17 cxclugiocb mcommm life insurance
application to ldsscs of _inc0m¤.&quot;for ‘ ` poliéied; reé   &quot;‘pfV premium
· 1923 under Act of 1921 dr Act ‘¤I&gt;a.d;liniltsti01i;c4&gt;c.&quot;; .-------- 24
  A ‘bf102L..·:---·---;-.-._--;; .--. 18 v Vue 9( gigts, bequests, ctg -.-.-- 24
· if»-§scalJ·c0.r·0f parties dnifcvlrom interest bu Statgy etc., obhgations;
=*~o¤Iou ar years; ; - $-2 4. 4 a ---.. . - 18 Federal bonds, ctc.; limitation- - 24
benefits qlk&gt;wod—pu·tuorp, estates or inoome’ or `fcreigm governments
trust! anti insurspoo eompmias- 18 · {rom ‘- investments in United
fiscal year roburnr determination of States securities, otc; ; -.-.---. 24
·tax on, boginnlngiixn one calendar p•{lmantnfo1¤ personal injuries, ctc. 24
·   succ••di¤g-- 18 pu ug: utility  by gtatg,
app 0 rutuenhips ----.- - 18 , o · un nr con mc ;
credit or refuu of tax paid under   .-.-- A4.; .---...--- - 25
_ .4 Act; of .1924 ---. A .---- i. .....- _ -». 19 nonresident aliens, from foreign
ca,p1tgl ga.mé_and lqspcs dcscnbcd --.-. 19 ships; condition -.------------ 25
me¤¤mg_ 9{A   &quot;¢¤piml _gain;&quot; Wn Risk and rehabilitation al-
‘ capxigql loss, .... _ -;--4 ......- 19 lowauces; pensions-- -’ .-....... 25
f‘dgdugt1on;?’ _ fordmuz deduc— ‘ from domestic building and loan
; txqn  ·&quot; &quot;ca.f&gt;it¤1 ne ggin5;&quot; ~ associations; limit&quot;- 4 ...--... 25
&quot;csp{€al uci ass&quot; .-.- _---; .-.- 19 rentals for dwellings furnished to
&quot;0rd{ha.ry net income&quot;; ----- - -- ; 19 ministers .-.- - .-.-.--...-....- 25
&quot;_calp1ts1·a.sscts;&quot;_ ymiaerty not iu- shipowuerd mutual associations;
·c udedg dctermmat ou of_‘£ex·iod limit---_ --....--.-...--.-. ,-- A 26
for whmh distributed qtqc was Chin; '1`mdc Act_ cox·pomtiou_ divi-
lgcld, etc;·.--;;--; ----- ;--;--- 19 dends to China residents ....... 26
tax lovxed Von capita.! gain, in lieu of individual citinans of amounts
(normal and -· surtax _o¤ other from business outside United
_ ¢h•.n‘a corpomtiom -----.-..-.- 20 States, if n. nonresident .--..-.- 26
capxtal not loss ..-.- . ..-..----.   ·.-- 20 compensation from States, etc., to
coylsdgion and psymcxgt --.. .. ----. 20 employees, thereof .-...-.... —- - 26
appkcauon to partnerships or trusts; nonresident aliens, from United
separate returns ....... ;. .-».-- 20 States sources only ............ 26
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Pennsylvania Railroad Company, P¤8¤· Pensions-Continued. Page
payment to, for property damages .... - 1771 determination of service of beneficiaries;
Pennsylvania Tunnel and Terminal Rail- lack of discharge certiiicate, not
road Company, to prevent pension ............ 1363
acceptance authorized of corrective service pensions allowed hereafter to
deed for use by, of subsurface of survivors of Indian wars, etc.,
site of new post othce building under former Acts ............ 1363
in New York City ............. 704 rates at specified ages ............. 1363
Pensacola, Fla., widows to receive $30 a month ..... 1363
deficiency appropraition for naval air no present pension reduced ...... --- 1363
station, hurricane damage re- commencement of, from filing appli-
pairs ...........,........... - 1 253 cation ................. ; ..... 1363
acceptance authorized of land near, for no fee allowed for preparing increase
Navy aviation training tield .... 1105 claims; limitation in others .... 1363
sale of abandoned military reservation, punishment for violations .......... 1363
authorized; tire control station increase of disability, to persons who
reserved ..................... 204 served 90 days in War with
Pension Bureau, Interior Department, Spain, etc., or were discharged
appropriation for Army and Navy pen- for disability in line of duty .... 382
sions ...................... 477, 956 for ser vice, on reaching age of 62, and
for Commissioner, and oflice person- older; rates .................. 382
nel ........................ 478, 956 extended to contract nurses ........ 382
for general expenses ............. 478, 956 increased, to widow who married such
for traveling expenses ............ 478, 956 soldier prior to September 1,
for fees and mileage, examining sur- 1922 ........................ 382
geons, fiscal years 1927 and remarried widows, if subsequent mar-
1928 ....................... 478, 956 riage dissolved ...... - ......... 382
for expenses under Civil Service Re- allowance to minor children; con-
tirement Act ........... - - -- 478, 956 tinued to children on death, etc.,
deiiciency appropriation for fees for ex- of mother ............ .. ....... 383
amining surgeons ..... - ........ 174 if insane, etc., to continue during
Pension Ojiice (see ension Bureau, In- life, or during disability- ....... 383
terior Department). widow not entitled to pension un-
Pensions, less child cared for by her ...... 383
apprcgpriation for Army and Navy--- 477, 956 upon widow receiving pension, al-
avy, from naval fund- -.. ....- 478, 956 lowanoe to child to cease ....... 383
segarate accounts for -.--.....- 478, 956 increase of rate for such persons, help-
for ommissioner of, and office per- less or blind, requiring aid of
sonnel ......-.............. 478, 956 another person ---.. - .-..-.... 383
for fees, etc., examining surgeons, limitation on rate, if an inmate of a sol-
1927 and 1928 ..-....-...... 478, 956 diers’ home -.---.-..-.------- 383
for Army and Navy, fiscal year 1926- 653 provisions applicable to present pen-
Navy from Navy pension fund .... 653 sioners the next month after ap-
separate accounting for .......-.. 653 proval of Act -.......-...-.... 383
deficiency appropriation for Army- - 187, 1257 to new claimants from date of ap-
for paying, claims from naval fund- - 191 plication --.-.----.-.--..-.--- 383
for fees, examining surgeons -....-.- 192 Medal of Honor Roll, not aiected -..- 384
granted persons serving 30 days or rates in addition thereto .--.-..--.- 384
more in Indian wars, etc., and no reduction of any pension hereby---- 384
now disabled ................. 1361 fees not permitted for presenting claim
rating): for ..................... 1362 for increase .--------.-.---.-- 384
on reac 'ng 62 years, and over; rat- restricted for other claims .--..-.--. 384
ing? ...-....................- 1362 punishment for violations ------.-.- 384
widows owed, for service of husband; conilicting laws modihed as specifically
rate ........................- 1362 provided ...-.----..---.--.... 384
allowancefor children under 16, with- 1362 increase of rate for loss of limbs or
to children if no, or death etc., of- 1362 sight, Army or Navy .... - .... 396
helpless, insane, etc., child .-..... 1362 increase of, for service of 90 da s during
marriage prior to March 4, 1917, re- Civil War or discharged, for disa-
quired ....................... 1362 bility with less service --.. -- -- 806
remarried, on death, etc., of subse· for 60 days’ service in Mexican War- 806
quent husband ................ 1362 rate at $65 a month, if now receiving
renewal restricted, if pension ac- less than $72 .--..---...------ 806
crued to child, when dropped by at $90 if totally helpless or blind- 806
remarriage ................... 1362 increase of, to wi ow of person who
child’s pension to cease, if cared for served 90 days, etc., during Civil
by mother ................... 1363 War, and was wife during his
determination of service of beneficiaries; service ------.--------------- 806
War Department records -..... 1363 in War of 1812, or sixty days in
payments s own by General Ac- Mexican War --.-.-.-----..-. 806
counting Office ..... - ......... 1363 to Army nurses of the Civil War ---- 806
State or Territorial records ......... 1363 commencement of rates, for persons
evidence satisfactory to Commis- now on the roll -.-----------,- 807
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VU 
Page. 
MayOT. Clark...,:. 735 
McCarthy v. Eggers 478 
McCartney, United States v.... 104 
McChord, Searcy v 261 
McComb, U. P. K. Co. V 799 
McMillan V. Rees 722 
Meguiar v. Groves 279 
Mellor, Orawford V 638 
Merriman, Heynsohn V 728 
Merritt, State v 283 
Micon V. Lamar 14 
Millbank v. Schooner A. P. 
Cranmer 255 
Miller, Liggett &amp; M. Tab. Co. v. 203 
Miss. Cent. R. Co., Kelley v 564 
MonongalielaNav. Co.v. Steam- 
tugBobConnell 218 
Moses, In re 845 
Muser v. American Ex. Co 382 
N. Y. &amp; B. Ferry Co. v. Steam- 
tug Adriatic 349 
Nichols, Inre 842 
Nickerson, Joslyn v 133 
Noelke, United &quot;States v 426 
North Noonday Min. Co. v. 
Orient Min. Co 622 
Norton T. American Ring Ce. . 684 
Orient Min. Co. v. North Noon- 
day Min. Co 522 
O'Rourke v. Two Hundred and 
Twenty- One Tons of Coal... 619 
Pacific liailroad, United States V. 97 
Packer, Delaware 0. &amp; I. Co. v. 851 
Page V. Holmes B. A. Tel. Co.. 304 
Palisade Land Co., Ruckman v. 367 
Parsons V. Caswell 74 
Paiterson, Kquitable Life As. 
Soc. V 126 
Patterson, Janssen v fcfe2 
Patterson, Rupple v 220 
Penn. Mut. Life Ins. Co., Ruth- 
erford v 456 
Penrose V. Penrose 479 
Penn. R. Co., Hall v 220 
Penn. R. Co., Wertlieimer v 222 
Pentlarge v. Beeston 862 
Perkins V, Schooner Hercules.. 925 
Phalon V. The Hadji 89 
Phœnix Ins. Co., Rumsey v.... 396 
Phœnix 1ns. Co., Wood V 235 
Phœnix Ins. Co.,v. Wulf 775 
Pitts. &amp; C. S. R. Co.,Pifth Nat. 
Banky 190 
Porter v. liing 755 
Quimby, Gilbert v 111 
Quirolo V. Ardito 610 
Radmann, Dent V. 882 
Rails Co. , Cunningham t 453 
Rees, McMillan V 722 
Richards V. Hansen 54 
Rlx, Dittmarv 342 
Roberts, Donohue v 449 
Roe, Johnston v 692 
Rosenbach T. Droyfuss.. 391 
Ruckman v. Palisade Land Co. 367 
Ruckman v. Ruckman 687 
Rumsey v. Phœnix Ins. Co 39« 
Ruppel V. Patterson 220 
Russell, Saxonville Mills v 118 
Rutherf ord v. Penn. Mut. L. Ins. 
Co 456 
St. Louis Nat. Bk. V. Brin kman 43 
St. Paul i\ &amp; M. Ins. Co., Hath- 
away V 197 
Sawyer v. Horn 24 
Saxonville Mills v. Russell 118 
Sayles v. Garrett 371 
Schooner A. P. Cranmer, Mill- 
bank V 255 
Schooner E. M. Davidson, Dal- 
strom V 259 
Schooner Hercules, Perkins v, . 925 
Schooner Hercules, Warren F. &amp; 
M. Co.v 925 
Scottish Com. Ins. Ce, Shaw v. 761 
Searcy v. McChord 251 
Second Av. R. Co. , Stephenson v, 416 
Seligman v. Wells 302 
Shaler &amp; H. Q. Co. v. Sleam-tug 
Adriatic 349 
Shaw V. Scottish Com. Ins. Co.. 761 
Sheldon, American D. B. R. 
Co. V 870 
Sheldon v. Keokuk N. L. P. Co. 789 
South. Minn. R. Co., Wells v... 270 
Spear, Thatcher Heat. Co. v. . . . 411 
State V. Merritt 283 
Stauffer, First Nat. Bk. v 187 
Steamboat H. C.Yeagor, Marion 
B. &amp; W. Co. V 285 
Steamboat Saratoga, And lis V.. 730 
Steamer Helen, Green v 916 
Steamship Ilindoo, Unnrj\ehr v. 6:7 
Steamship United States 133 
Steamship Utopia, Bunge v.,., 892 
Steamship Utopia, Zeismer v. . . 692 
Steam-tug Adriatic, N. Y. &amp; B. 
Ferry Co. v 349 
Bteam-tug Adriatic, Shaler &amp; H. 
Q- Co. V 34a 
Steam-tug Bob Connell, Monon- 
gahela Nav. Co. v 2I8 
Steam-tug Joseph Stickney,Ber- 
gen V g24 
Stephenson V. Second Av. R.Co. ^jg&lt;noinclude&gt;
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or to suoh other guardian as may be hereafter appointed, iu 
as good order and condition as when received, and also to 
render a just and true account, etc., in any court having cog- 
nizance thereof, when required.&quot; 
The court to which the ward resorted for an account and 
relief was a court of general equity jurisdiction, and therefore 
a court having cognizance thereof, and the causes of action 
alleged in the complaint are fully sustained by these admit- 
ted faets, unless the matters alleged in the answer are, if 
sustained by the evidence, valid defences to the guardian. 
1. The firstground of defence insisted on is that by the war 
the relation of guardian and ward was terminated, and hence 
ît is argued that though the former guardian continued to hold 
upon some kind of a trust the asseta which he had received 
as guardian, yet that he no longer held them as- guardian 
under and acoording to the laws of New York; that the guar- 
dian and ward having both acquired new domiciles ont of 
this state and within the territory of what became, at least 
pending the war, an alien and a hostile state, this personal 
domestic relation was thereby wholly broken and did not re- 
vive when the war eeased, and the guardian was no longer 
accountable to the courts of New York as guardian, even 
after the close of the war. 
I can see no ground whatever for this position, so far as 
concerns the care and safe-keeping of the property of the ward 
in the hands of the guardian, and his liability to account for 
it after the war was over. Doubtless during the war, if the 
guardian had remained there and his ward had become an 
alien enemy, his duties as guardian would be modifled by that 
fact. He could not properly or legally remit funds for her 
support to any person in the hostile territory. But he would 
still be under the same obligation as before as to the safe- 
keeping of the property, and, whenever the ward eeased to be 
an alien enemy by the termination of the war, there was no 
legal obstacle to her calling the guardian to an account for 
the property so held. Even if the war dissolved the relation, 
the effect of such dissolution would not be greater than would 
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requested of the near relatives of the infant the appointment 
of a new guardian. His reasons were his age and growing 
infirmities, and his own business cares and perplexities; 
and the appointment was asked for and made ic accordauce 
with his request. The reasons were yalid and sufficienli, and 
the circumstances made it proper that the new guirdian 
should be appointed in Alabama, and I eannot doubt that if 
the defendant's testator had applied to the surrogate's court, 
of Eichmond county, for leave to resign his trust and to 
transfer the ward's estate to the duly appointed guardian in 
Alabama, his petition would have been granted. What would 
thus bave been approved as just and right if asked for, can 
now be justified as done for the bene&amp;t of the ward. 
Therefore, in any accounting to be had, the defendant's 
testator should be credited with his cash payment to the new 
guardian of $808.70. But beyond this the transaction re- 
ferred to as a settlement with and release of the defendant's 
testator by the new guardian neither purported to be, nor 
could, if so understood and intended by the parties, be a re- 
lease of the former guardian of his liability to account for 
the residue of the infant's estate with which he was charge- 
able. The new trustee merely gave a receipt for sundry 
eecurities, mostly worthless, which the defendant's testator 
tumed over to him. They were the remains of the invest- 
ments which had been made of the ward's property. But the 
original investments being in bank stock had been not suoh 
as the ward was, when of age, bound to accept, and by the 
changes of value eflfeoted by the war; and by the reinvest- 
ments made in consequence of the war and during the war 
the result was that the rest of the fund consisted of bonds of 
Bouthem cities and southern railroads, of little value. 
It is too plain for argument, it seems to me, that a new 
guardian has no power to accept a transfer of such proper- 
lies as a full discharge of the former guardian's liability to 
account for and make good the moneys originally received. 
Buch an act would be a gross abuse of his trust by the new 
guardian. No court would authorize or justify it, and cer- 
tainly a guardian has no power, by virtue of his appointment.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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lactory which belonged to the testator in this cause, I stated 
on a former occasion that in my opinion the right which any 
person may have to the protection of this court does not 
depend upon any exclusive right which he may be supposed 
to have to a particular name or to a particular form of words. 
His right is to be protected against fraud. It is truly said 
that if any one takes upon himself to study these two labels 
he wiU find several marks of distinction. On the other hand 
the colors are of the same nature, the labels exactly the same 
size,the letters are arrangea precisely in the same mode, and 
the very same name appears on the face of the jars. It 
appears to me that there is quite sufficient to mislead 
the ordinary run of persons, and that the object of the 
defendant is to persuade the public that this new establish- 
ment is in some way or other connected with the old firm, 
and at the same time to get purchasers to go to 90J Holburn 
Hill, and not to 97 High Holburn. I think what has been 
done is quite calculated to effect that purpose, and the de- 
fendant must be restrained. 
&quot;My decision does not depend on any peculiar or exclusive 
right the plaintiffs have to use the names Day &amp; Martin, but 
upon the fact of the defendant using those names in connec- 
tion with certain circumstances, and in a manner calculated to 
mislead the public, and to enable the defendant to obtain, at 
the expense of Day's estate, a benefit for himself to which he 
is not in fair and honest dealing entitled.&quot; 
In the case of Holloway v. Holloway, (1850,) 13 Beav. 209, 
the plaintiff having established a reputation for preparations 
known as HoUoway's pills, and ointment, his brother Henry 
began to sell H. HoUoway's pills and ointment, put up in sim- 
liar boxes, and with labels and wrappers similar to plaintifif's. 
The maater of the rolls said that, although the defendant had 
a right to constitute himself a vendor of HoUoway's pills and 
ointment, he had no right to do so in such way as to deceive 
the public, and make them believe he was selling the plain- 
tiffs medicines, and that he could not be allowed to perpetrate 
gueh a fraud. 
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Involving, as it does, the right of national banks to sue in 
the federal courts out of the district in which they are estab- 
lished, the question presented is an interesting one. Ttie 
amount in controversy in this case being less than |500, that 
alone -would defeat the jurisdiction, unless there is some law 
authorizing national banks to sue in the federal courts out of 
the district where they are established, and without regard 
to the sum in controversy. 
Section 59 of the act of 1863, commonly known as the 
&quot;Currency Act,&quot; (12 U. S. St. 681,) reads as follows : 
&quot;That suits, actions and proceedings, by and against any 
association under this act, miiy be had in any circuit, district 
or territorial court of the United States, lield ivithïn the district 
in which such association may he esiaUlshed.&quot; 
The act of June 3, 1864, (13 U. S. St. 116, § 57,) re- 
enacts this section, omitting the words &quot;by and,&quot; so it in 
terme only authorized proceedings in said courts against 
such associations and not by them. But the supreme court, 
in Kennedy v. Gibson, 8 Wall. 506, liekl that the omission of 
those words was accidentai and not intentional, so the law 
remained in that respect as it was originally enacted. When 
the revision of the United States Stalutes was had, this sec- 
tion was dropped from the currency act, title, &quot;National 
Banks,&quot; and was plaoed under the title &quot;Judiciary,&quot; and there 
reads as follows : 
&quot;The circuit courts shall have original jurisdiction as 
follows : 
&quot;Tenth. Of ail suits by or agamsfc any banking associa- 
tion, established in the district for xchlcli the court is held, under 
any law jM-oviding for national banking associations.&quot; U. S. 
Eov. St. 110, 111. 
It will be seen that this provision îs in substance the 
same as that contained-in the currency acts bei'ore men- 
tioned, and very clearly limita the jurisdiction to suits by 
or against banking associations established in the district where 
the court ia held, and that jurisdiction in no way depends upon 
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such ceiling is also derived from the statements of the con- 
signee, who testifies that he went down into her hold after 
she was discharged, and he states that she was ceiled from 
the keelson entirely up to the deck, Nor does he say a word 
about any additional ceiling. Ships carrying grain fre- 
quently have what is called a grain ceiliag, in addition 
to the ordinary permanent ceiling, which usually extends 
only to the upper turn of the bilge. Uuiike that, a grain 
ceiling is a temporary appliance built up as dunnage to 
keep the grain removed from the permanent ceiling. Sup- 
port to the theory of the respondents that the steamer had 
such temporary ceiling for the protection of the cargo in 
question is derived chiefly from the testimony of the head 
stevedore, who superintended the discharge of the cargo, and 
the fact that the steainer, on her former voyage from Odessa 
to Falmouth, for orders, carried a cargo of wheat, which was 
delivered without injury. 
Beyond ail doubt, the evidence shows that the damage was 
caused by sait water, which came in contact with the bundies 
of sheet iron as they lay stowed in the aft lower hold; and it 
is equally clear that the water must have reached the iron in 
large quantities to have caused such extensive dama-ge to one 
thousand bundies of the iron, estimated to weigh 55 tons. 
Cargo stowed in the same hold, above the bundies of sheet 
iron, came out in good condition; and the witnesses for the 
respondents agree that there had been no leakage through 
the hatches, fxom which it worM seem to follow that the 
wat^r must have corne from below. 
Confirmation of that view, of a persuasive eharacter, is 
derived from the testimony of the master, who in direct terms 
attributes the damage to the blowing of bilge-water through 
the seams of the ceiling in the after hold when the steamer 
rolled. Cogent support to that theory is also derived from 
the testimony of the mate, who expresses the opinion that it 
was caused by the ship laboring so heavily and rolling. Con- 
vincing confirmation of that theory, if more be needed, is also 
found in the testimony of Port Warden Paine, who tostified 
that when he went down into the after hold he did not see&lt;noinclude&gt;
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We consider that the practice adopted by Mr. Stetson har- 
monizes better with the rules than that whioh was adopted in 
this case. The practice which we approve is this : The mas- 
ter appoints a day for proceeding with the reference, and 
gives notice, by mail or otherwise, to the parties or their solic- 
itors. We think the solicitor should be notiûed, whether the 
party is or not; though, probably, under rule 75, notice to 
the party is a good notice. If the defendant does not appear, 
the master proceeds, ex parte, and makes ont the profits and 
damages, if he can, from the evidence produced by the plain- 
tiff. If it appears that an account of profits is necessary to 
a just decision of the cause, and is desired by the plaintiff, he 
makes an order that the defendant fnrnish an account by a 
certain day, and adjourns the hearing to that day. The de- 
fendant should be served personally with a notice of this 
adjournment, and of the order to produce his account, if it 
is intended to move for an attachment in case he fails to 
appear. The service may be made by any disinterested per- 
son, and need not be by the marshal. If the defendant then 
fails to appear and account, he will be in contempt. 
The mode of proceeding which we do not approve, is for 
the plaintiff to take out a notice, in the first instance, before 
any hearing has been or can lawfully be had, requiring the 
defendant to furnish an account by a certain day on pain of 
punishment for contempt. We doubt the power of the mas- 
ter to make such an order upon a mere inspection of the 
record, and we consider the practice inexpedient if it is 
lawful. 
The defendant's first objection is sustained. His objection, 
which is of more real importance in most cases, that the ser- 
vice must be by the marshal, we overrule.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of said river to suit their convenience, from five to eight days 
at a time. 
And the plaintiff prays that the defendants be perpetually 
enjoined from the running of loose logs in the river, and that 
the court w U adjudge such piers, booms and dams to be a 
nuisance, and that the same be abated, and that the defend- 
ants be required to remove the same and restore the said 
river and slough to their original condition. 
The demurrer raises the question whether, upon the facts 
alleged, the court can make a decree granting the relief prayed 
for. 
We think it cannot. 
1. The bill of complaint seems to be framed upon the 
theory that the Chippewa river being navigable for steam- 
boats as well as for the purpose of floating saw logs to 
market, there is something peculiar and sacred under the 
constitution and laws of the United States and the state of 
Wisconsin, about steamboat navigation, that should give it 
the preference over and entitle it to the protection of the law 
against this other form of commercial enterprise. And no 
doubt if congress, by virtue of the commerce clause in the 
constitution, should at any time assume legislative jurisdic- 
tion and control of the navigation of the Chippewa river, as 
it may at any time do, that body could subordinate the log- 
ging interest to that of steamboat navigation, or might pro- 
hibit the use of the stream for such purpose altogether. Un- 
der the authority to regulate commerce its power is superme, 
whenover it shall see fit to exercise it. But until congress 
assumes to control the commerce of the river, I take it to be 
clear law that, as to those streams that lie wholly within the 
territory of a state, though approachable by other streams 
from other states, as in this case from the Mississippi river, 
that the state within whose boundaries such river lies may leg- 
islate in reference to its commercial use as a public highway ; 
and such has been the uniform practioe throughout the eoun- 
try. This doctrine was first settled by the supreme court in 
the case of Wilson v. The Blàckbird Creek Marsh Co. 2 Pet. 
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Schumacher &amp; Co., but they refused it as it, contained tb.B 
■words &quot;sailed or loading at Benizaf,&quot; which they claimed yf&amp;z 
not the agreement. Another charter-party was then executed 
by Gregg &amp; Co. containing the words &quot;sailed or about to sail 
from Benizaf,&quot; which was accepted and agreed by Schumacher 
&amp; Co., and that is the contract under which this controversy 
arises. 
It appears that during the negotiation Schumacher &amp; Co. 
endeavored to get a stipulation inserted in the charter-party 
that the vessel would arrive in time for the August shipment, 
but that was refused. It also appears that in the printed 
charter-party used there was a stipulation in this language : 
&quot;Charterers to have the option of cancelling this charter-party 
should vessel not have arrived at loading port prior to .'* 
This was erased by drawing a pen through it. 
The portions of the charter-party material to this litiga- 
tion were as follows : 
Philadelphia, August 1, 1879. 
&quot;It is this day mntually agreed between T. H. Davidson, 
Esq., owner of the British steamship ' Whickham,' of London, 
built 1876, at Newcastle, of 1124 net tons register, or there- 
abouts, classed 100 A. 1 in British Lloyds, now sailed or about 
to sail from Benizaf witk cargo for Philadelphia, and Messrs. A. 
Schumacher &amp; Co., that said steamship being tight, staunch 
and strong, and in every way fitted for the voyage, with 
liberty to take outward cargo to Philadelphia fôr owner's ben- 
efit, shall, with ail convenient speed, sail and proceed to Phila- 
delphia or Baltimore, at charterer's option, after discharge 
of inward cargo at Philadelphia, and there load from said 
•charterers, or their agents, a full and complete cargo of grain, 
«te, etc., and being so loaded shall therewith proceed to 
■Queenstown, Falmouth or Plymouth, for orders to discharge 
at a safe port in the United Kingdom, etc., and deliver the 
flame on being paid freight, six shillings and three pence ster- 
ling per quarter of 480 Ibs., etc., in full of port charges, etc., 
(the acts of God, restraints of princes and rulers, the dangers 
of the seas and navigation, accidents to boilers, machinery 
etc., always excepted.) Fifteen running days, (if vessel not&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tion of affairs. If there should be a question arising after 
the administration on the one hand of the state or federal 
tribunals, through its receiver, not coupled with or growing 
ont of the administration of the law through the respective 
courts pertaining to the oonduct of its ofiScers, such subse- 
quent question might be oonsidered; but not pending the 
litigation. 
Hence it should be understood that the naked and broad 
proposition is decided by this court in this particular case, 
that where, under the state insurance act, proceedings have 
been instituted against a company which finally ripen into 
the administration of the affairs of that company, all inter- 
mediate proceedings must be finally disposed of in that tri- 
bunal, even though a judgment were rendered here pending 
the administration. In this case judgment was rendered. It 
stands as a valid and subsisting judgment, subject, however, 
in its order of distribution, to the rules pertaining to the ad- 
ministration of these affairs under the insurance act &quot;of the 
state. 
Suppose, under the insurance law, the case against this 
company had been finally dismissed in the state court, this 
plaintiff would then have had his lien according to its order 
of priority. But he took his judgment subject to the deter- 
mination of the state court, whether it should render a final 
decree of dissolution relating back to the date of the pro- 
ceedings. Consequently the proceedings here are not void ; 
it is a valid judgment, to await its order in that court like any 
other judgment. If this is understood, that is all of this 
case. In other words, having entered of record the revival of 
this matter in the name of Lewis, administrator, the petition 
is dismissed as to all other matters, and the party remitted to 
his proceedings in the state court, so far as this case is con- 
«erned. 
Now, a few words should be said with regard to the two 
cases of Payne v. Hook, supra. In the second case the supreme 
court of the United States, without expressly saying that it 
had overruled itself with regard to the matters involved in 
those cases, practically did so. Mr. CampbeU called the atten-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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1876, to W. A. Eonald, the surviving partner of Ronald &amp; 
Co., for $3,000. Groves swears positively that, finding him- 
self indebted to Eonald in Bomewhat over |3,000, an agree- 
ment was made to extend the time on the Mayes note, and 
forbear suit, -without the knowledge and consent of the sure- 
ties, by giving a chattel mortgage upon a quantity of live stock 
then owned by him, it being understood, as he says, that the 
live stock should remain in his possession, and, when fattened 
and sold, the proceeds should be paid over to Eonald in set- 
tlement of his claim, It seems, however, that the hogs ail 
died of choiera, and the mortgage, when foreclosed, realized 
less than $200. 
Did the giving of this mortgage extend the time for the 
payment of the Mayes debt ? It certainly did not upon its 
face. It recites &quot;that whereas, the said Groves is indebted 
to said Eonald in the sum of $3,000, now due and payahle: 
Now, to secure the due payment of said sum, the said Groves 
hereby sells and conveys unto the said Eonald, etc. * * * 
provided, however, should the said Groves pay, or cause to 
be paid, the sum of $3,000, and the interest thereon, then 
this mortgage to be null and void, otherwise to remain in 
fuU force and effect.&quot; 
It is well settled that, in order to release sureties, the 
agreement to extend the time must not only be given for a 
consideration, but it must be a binding agreement. There is 
evidence in this case tending strongly to show that this 
mortgage was in reality made by Groves to protect his prop- 
erty from his other creditors; but, granting that the mortgage 
was execnted for a valuable consideration, was there a bind- 
ing agreement to extend the time ? 
As before observed, the mortgage does not purport to do so 
upon its face. No time is fixed for payment, and the rule in 
such cases is that the paper is payable immediately. 1 Dan. 
on Negotiable Instruments, §§ 88, 599 ; CornelL v. Moulton, 
3 Den. 12. And paroi evidence is not admissible to show 
that it was to be paid at a future date. Thompson v. Ketchum, 
8 John. 190; 1 Par. on Bills, 381; 2 Phillips on Evidence, 
675 ; 1 Dan. on Negotiable Instruments, § 80. So, if a prom-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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office, and request that |20 may be refunded to me, agreeably 
to an act of congress in such cases made and provided,&quot; 
On the same day the $20 was returned to Dr. Page in per- 
son. Subseqnently, Dr. Page presented to congress a peti- 
tion dated January 16, 1866, in which he said: &quot;During the 
years 1836, 1837 and 1838, your petitioner invented a mag- 
neto-electric apparatus for administering electricity as a 
remedy for diseases, and, also, for purposes of scientific illus- 
tration, since known under the varions names of Page'scom- 
pound magnet and electrotome, Page's induction coil, Page's 
separable helices, and Page's analysis of shocks, a distinguish- 
ing feature of which invention was an automatio or self- 
operating circuit-breaker, by which the presence of an attend- 
ant or assistant was dispensed with. Said apparatus also 
embraced other novel and original features of improvement. 
In the year 1842 your petitioner was appointed principal 
examiner in the United States patent office. Some time 
after said appointment, your petitioner discovered that his 
said invention was being introduced into public use by others 
without his consent, and being disabied, under the law, from 
obtaining a patent, your petitioner, at the recommendation 
of Hon. Henry L. Ellsworth, then commissioner of patents, 
in the year 1854 applied to congress to remove the disability 
in his case, inasmuch as the invention was made before his 
said appointment to office. Pailing in this to obtain relief, 
your petitioner, as soon as his circumstances permitted, did, 
in the year 1852, resign his ofBce, and, as soon thereafter as 
practicable, February 2, 1854, applied for a patent for this, his 
said invention. After a very thorough investigation, the com- 
missioner of patents decided that the invention was novel and 
original with your petitioner, but refused to grant a patent, 
on the ground of abandonment of the invention to the public. 
Your petitioner is unwilling to admit that the public use of 
said invention was with such entire consent and allowance on 
his part as in equity, to have worked an abandonment against 
him, as the circumstances were peculiar and extraordinary, 
and such as have never before occurred to an American 
inventor, and he, therefore, prays your honorable bodies to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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or sell is one called &quot;Dualin, made in accordance with a 
patent granted to the defendant Dittmar January 18, 1870. 
They urge the foUowing propositions : (1.) That, in view of 
matters now presented, the plaintiff's reissued patent, in 
omitting the word &quot;inexplosive,&quot; in discarding the concen- 
tration feature of the original patent, and in altering and 
adding other clauses not contained in the original patent, is 
broader than the original and void. (2.) That, on the evi- 
dence now presented, the Dittmar patent is the first valid and 
subaisting patent for nitro-glycerine safety powder combina- 
tions, composed of nitro-glycerine absorbed in some com- 
bustible or explosive, as distinguished from inexplosive sub- 
stance, and that the plaintiff's reissue should be limited 
strictly to what ia contained within the plain reading of the 
description of the original patent. (3.) That Dittmar was 
the original and first inventer of the mixture of nitro-glycer- 
ine with some porous solid, as distinguished from fluid or 
liquid substance, in such proportions as to render the result- 
ing compound a powder safe against the usual shocks of 
transportation and use, and, therefore, the original and first 
inventor of the compositions claimed in Nobel's original 
patent and in the plaintiff's reissue; that Nobel fraudulently 
and surreptitiously purloined his invention, and that the 
original and the reissue are void. (4.) That the conduct of 
the plaintiff and its proceedings heretofore, with respect to 
its litigations and to Dittmar, have not been such as to justify 
the application for an injunction at this stage of the suit. 
The question of the difference between the original and the 
reissue in respect to the concentration feature, and in the 
omission from the reissue of the word &quot;inexplosive, &quot; found in 
the original, in reference to the absorbent substance, was 
considered and passed upon in the decision of this court in 
the Eand case favorably to the plaintiff, and the la tter point 
was considered and passed upon in the same way by Judge 
Shepley in the Goodyear case. In the present case it is con- 
tended for the defendants that extrinsic evidence, &quot;not in the 
former cases, is introduced, as to the state of the art of man- 
faoturing explosive compounds in 1867 and 1868, and »3 to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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iurisdictîon in personam of suits for assaults, and I see no 
reasou to doubt that a seaman may join in an action for 
wages a claim against the Tessel for injuries received by 
such acts of negligence as the ship is liable for, in a pro- 
ceeding in rem; but, by General Admiralty Eule 16, &quot;in all 
suits for an assault or beating on the high seas, or elsewhere 
within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, the suit shall 
be in personam only.&quot; 
It seems to be the opinion of Mr. Benedict, however, (Bene- 
dict's Admiralty, § 309,) that this rule is confined to cassa 
technically for assault and battery as a mare tort, and that 
if the action be brought on a contract, as for not carrying a 
passenger safely, or without injury, or for not treating with 
kindness a passenger or seaman, an assault or beating being 
the gravamen of the breach, that the suit may be in rem 
against the vessel. No authorities, however, are cited to this 
proposition, and upon a careful examination I have been 
unable to find any which lends it support. It is true there 
are certain cases in rem in which the libellant may join any 
nimber of demands, and in cases in personam elaims ex 
delicto and ex contracta sucs not infrequently joined in the 
eame libel. Dunlap's Admiralty, 89. 
The question here involved is discussed in but a single case, 
viz., Pratt \. Thomas, 1 Ware's Eep. 427, in which the 
leamed judge for the district of Maine considers the subject 
with his usual thoroughness, and cornes to a conclusion that 
a claim for damages for a personal wrong is an entirely 
independant claim, and perfectly unconnected with that for 
wages. This case is a much stronger one against a joinder 
than the one at the bar, as it was a libel in personam against 
the master. 
If it had been supposed that the court could entertain juris- 
diction in rem of a suit for an assault, it is incredible that 
precedents for such suits should not be found in the books, 
for cases of aggravated assaults upon seamen are of the com- 
monest occurrence. ' Upon the contrary, in all reported cases 
of this kind the actions are in personam only. The Agincourt, 
1 Hagg. 271; T%e Lowther Castle, là. 384; The Enchantreas,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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izen of the state of New York, and vas made a party to the 
Buit, that he might be decreed to deliver over to the com- 
plainant the custody and possession of the mortgage and bond 
and assignments, which, it was alleged, he had unlawfully 
retained after his transfer of the samp to the complainant, 
The bill contained the prayer that if the said complainant 
should f ail to get the possession of the bond , mortgage and 
assignments, the said bond and mortgage might be foreclosed 
without Buch possession, and proof made of the amount due 
thereon. The other defendants were made parties, either 
because they had become purchasers of some portion of the 
mortgaged premises, subject to the lien of the mortgage, or 
because they were the judgment creditors of Elisha Ruckman, 
and had attached bis right and interest in the mortgage by 
proceedings in foreign attachment, by virtue of which they 
claimed to bave a lien upon the mortgage debt. 
The petition for the removal of the cause into this court 
was filed by the defendant Elisha Euckman under the sec- 
ond section of the act of congress of Mareh 3, 1875, which 
provides &quot;that any suit of a civil nature, at law or in 
equity, now pending or hereafter brought in any state court, 
where the matter in dispute exceeds, exclusive of costs, the 
Bum or value of $500, * * * • in which there shall be 
a controversy between citizens of different states, * • * 
• either party may remove said suit into the circuit court of 
the United States for the proper district. And when, in any 
Buit mentioned in this section, there shall be a controversy 
which is wholly between citizens of different states, and which 
can be fully determined as between them, then either one or 
more of the plaintiffs or defendants, actually interested in 
such controversy, may remove said suit into the eiicuit 
court,&quot; etc. 
It will be observed that there are two clauses to this sec- 
tion, the first having referenc.e to a suit in Tyhich there is a 
controversy between citizens of, different states, and the 
second to a suit in which there is a controversy which la 
wholly between citizens of different states, and whioh can 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/384</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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bonds, or to that property and any which the company might 
afterwards acquire. 
We see no evidence that the parties ooncerned, the stock- 
holders, made any snch agreement as is here supposed. 
Being under a statute liability for the debts of the company, 
and choosing to remain so — ^for they could bave put an end 
to this state of things by filing an annual statement of their 
affaira — they found it more convenient to raise money by 
negotiating bonds with five years to run, rather than notes 
which needed to be often renewed. They SGCured their nego- 
tiable bonds by a mortgage, in order to increase their value, 
not to diminish it. It was an ordinary arrangement, which 
had no concealed equitiea. The negotiable bonds were to be 
negotiable, and to have the same properties in the hands of 
the shareholders as in those of other &quot;applicants&quot; who should 
take them. No doubt one principal motive which induced 
the shareholders to take the bonds in the first instance was 
that the company must ba kept afloat ; but there was no agree- 
ment expressed, and none arisos from the nature of the trans- 
action, that the bonds should not be sold, or that they should 
hold good only against the property of the company. 
We suppose it to bave been taken for granted that the 
bonds were amply secured, in which case no such question as 
is now before us could have arisen. At any rate, it appears, 
from the correspondence between the parties and from the 
votes, and ail the evidence in the record, that the bonds were 
intended to be what they purport to be, the negotiable prom- 
ises of the corporation, as much so as the notes for which 
they were substituted. 
The second defence is that the plaintiffs bave agreed to 
stand in the place of stockholders by their stipulation to 
indemnify the assignees of Chapman as such stockholders. 
We agree that if the assignees, when this stipulation waa 
made, were stockholders in the sense of being liable for the 
debts of the company, the defence is a good one to the extent 
of their proportionate share Of the debts, so that the plain&gt; 
tiffs could only recover in equity the difference between the 
price of their bonds and such proportionate liability. This&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/414</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634107</id>
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■which property he holds for the benefit only of those credit- 
ors who prove their debts within a fixed period, their right to 
partieipate in the distribution of it thereby becoming vested. 
AU other creditors are excluded from any share of the as- 
signed estate, but their rights are not otherwise afïected. 
By the plain terms of the statute, as well as by repeated 
judicial exposition of it, the participating creditors are barred 
of any suit, in law or equity, against the assignee, except in 
respect of the property upon which the assignment operates. 
He is protected against personal liability to them, his future 
acquisitions are unavailable to them, and in every beneficiai 
and practical sense the relation of debtor and creditor between 
them ceases to exist. It follows, therefore, that if the title of 
the voluntary assignee to the property conveyed by the assign- 
ment is indefeasible by the assignee in bankruptcy, the cred- 
itors who proved their claims under the assignment could 
not pass a valid resolution of composition. 
This depends upon the effect of the thirty-fifth section of 
the original bankrupt act, which has been divided into sec- 
tions 5128 and 5129, in the Eevised Statutes. 
The first of these sections (5128) avoids preferences to 
creditors, when made vrithin four months- before the date of 
proceedings in bankruptcy; and the latter (5129) avoids all 
conveyances made in violation of the provisions of the bank- 
rupt act within six months of the date of such proceedings.. 
It is only necessary to say, in reference to the act of June 
22, 1874, that it is inoperative in this case. Its abbreviation 
of the period within which preferences and conveyances in 
violation of the bankrupt law may be avoided is expressly 
limited to cases of involuntary bankfuptcy, leaving the origi- 
nal enactment unchanged in all cases of voluntary bankruptcy.. 
I think there is no reason to doubt that the voluntary 
assignment here does not fall within the class of preferences 
to which section 5128 of the Eevised Statutes exclusively&quot; 
applies, and which are avoidable when made within foitr 
months before the date of proceedings in bankruptcy. By the 
terms of the state law under which it was made all the prop- 
erty of the assigner vests in his assignee for the equal benefit&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/430</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634123</id>
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new right is given and a specifie relief provided for the vio- 
lation of such right, the punishment or remedy is confined 
to that given by the statuts. Sedgwick on Statutory Law, 
94. In this construction I coneur in the opinion of Mr. At- 
tomey General Devens, of April 30, 1878; but coneeding 
that the act of the defendant in detaining these letters was 
unauthorized, and tha,t the complaiuant might maintain an 
action at law for damages, it does not necessariiy foUow that 
he is entitled to an injunction. The writ of injunction does 
not issue as a matter of course, even if the complainant has 
made out a technical right to relief. An application to the 
court of chancery for the exercise of its prohibiting powers 
or restrictive energies must corne by the dictates of con- 
science, and be sancîioned by the clearest principles of jus- 
tice. The granting of an application is largely a matter of 
discretion, and is addressed to the conscience of the chancel- 
lor, acting in view of all the circumstances connected with 
the case. A party seeking this extraordinary remedy must 
aome into court with clean hands, and show not only that his 
elaim is valid by a strict letter of the law, but that in justice 
and equity he is entitled to this particular mode of relief. 
In the case of the Maryland Savings Institution v. Schroder, 
8 Gill &amp; Johnson, 93, the depositor of a sum weekly in a sav- 
mgs institution, which he was entitled to withdraw at pleasure, 
agreed with and requested the institution to convert and 
invest his deposits permanently into the stock of said Com- 
pany. Upon the conversion he received dividends and par- 
ticipated in its entire profits. The institution became insolv- 
ent, and receiving in the course of its settlement with its 
debtors its certificates of deposit and payment, which would 
absorb all available funds of the depositor, on the ground that 
a conversion of his money into stock ,was in violation of the 
charter of the company, he applied for an injunction. It was 
held that whether the charter authoriaed it or not he was not 
entitled to the restraining power of the court. In delivering 
the opinion the court observed : 
&quot;The objeet of the injunction appears to have boen, and its 
effect and operations are to prevent the officers of the cor-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/508</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634203</id>
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      <comment>/* top */ Common scannos., replaced: FEDEEAL →  FEDERAL, removed: � (8)</comment>
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holder, clerk, agent, servant, attorney, employe, assignee, or 
contractor of any corporation now existing, or hereafter 
formed, under the laws of this state, who shall employ, in 
any manner or capacity, upon any work or business of such 
corporation, any Chinese or Mongolian, is guilty of a misde- 
meanor, and is punishable by a fine of not less than $100 nor 
more than $1,000, or by imprisonment in the county jail of 
not less than 50 nor more than 500 days, or by both such 
fine and imprisonment; provided, that no director of a cor- 
poration shall be deemed guilty, under this section, wha 
refuses to assent to such employment, and has such dissent 
recorded in the minutes of the board of directors. 
&quot;1. Every person who, having been convicted for violating 
the provisions of this section, comraits any subsequent viola- 
tion thereof after such conviction, is punishable as follows : 
&quot;2. For each subsequent conviction, such person shall be 
fined not less than $500 nor more than $5,000, or by impris- 
onment not less than 250 days nor more than two years, or 
by both Buoh fine and imprisonment.&quot; 
The petitioner is president and director of the Sulphur 
Bank Quicksilver Mining Company, a corporation organized 
under the laws of California before the adoption of the pres- 
ent constitution, but still doing business within the state. 
Having been arrested and held to answer before the proper 
state court, upon a complaint duly made, setting oui in due 
form the offence of employing in the business of said cor- 
poration certain Chinese oitizens of the Mongolian race, cre- 
ated by said act, he sued out a writ of habeas corpus, which, 
having been returned, he asks to be discharged, on the ground 
that said provisions of the constitution, and act passed in 
pursuance thereof, are void, aa being adopted and passed in 
violation of the provisions of the treaty of the United States 
with the Chinese Empire, commonly called the &quot;Burlingame 
Treaty,&quot; and of the fourteenth amendment to the constitu- 
tion of the United States, and of the acts of congress passed 
to give effect to said amendment. The question in this case, 
therefore, is as to the validity of said constitutional provision 
and said act. Article 1, § 10, of the constitution of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/516</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634211</id>
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      <comment>/* top */ Common scannos., replaced: FBD →  FED,  FEDEEAL →  FEDERAL, DERAL BE → DERAL RE, EPOET → EPORT, ORTEE → ORTER, removed: � (7)</comment>
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modern times at least, the treaty-making power lias been 
accustomed to determine the terms and conditions upon which 
the subjects of the parties to the treaty shall reside in the 
respective countries, and the treaty-making power is conferred 
by the constitution in unlimited terms. Besides, the author- 
ities cited on the iirst point fully cover and determine this 
question. If the treaty-making power is authorized to deter- 
mine what foreigners shail be permitted to come into and 
reside within the country, and who shall be exchided, it 
must have the power generally to determine and prescribe 
upon what terms and conditions such as are admitted shall 
be permitted to remain. If it has authority to stipulate that 
aliens residing in a state may acquire and hold property, and 
on their death transmit it to alien heirs who do not reside 
in the state, against the provisions of the laws of the state, 
otherwise valid — and so the authorities already cited hold — 
then it certainly must be competent for the treaty-making 
power to stipulate that aliens residing in a state in pursuance 
of the treaty may labor in order that they may live and ac- 
quire property that may be so held, enjojed, and thus traus- 
mitted to alien heirs. The former must include the latter — 
the principal, the incidental power. See also Ilolde/i v. Joy, 
17 Wall. 242-3; U. S.v. Whisky, 3 Otto, 196-8. 
But the provisions in question are also in conflict with the 
fourteenth amendment of the national constitution, and with 
the statute passed to give effeet to its provisions. The four- 
teenth amendment, among other things, provides that &quot;no 
state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the 
privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States; 
nor shall any state deprive any person of lif e, liberty, or prop- 
erty without due process of law, nor deny to any person 
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&quot; 
Section 1977 of the Eevised Statutes, passed to give effeet 
to this amendment, provides that &quot;ail persons within the juris- 
diction of the United States shall have the same right in every 
state and territory to make and enforce contraets, to sue, be 
parties, give evidence, and to the full and equal benefit of all 
laws and proceedings for the security of persons and property&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/558</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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(if better terma were offered) than could Le obtainod else- 
■where, the complainant in this suit, as a stockholder in the 
Consolidated Virginia Mining Company, would be very likely 
to complain. The position of Flood, O'Brien, Mackey and 
Fair may be delicate, and their acts in it call for rigid scru- 
tiny, but there is nothing necessarily fraudulent or morally 
wrong in it. These acts of purchase, howcYer, are alleged to 
be at higher priees than others charged, and in pursuance of 
of a conspiracy to injure the purehaser, and to be in fact 
fraudulent. It is easy upon information and belief to charge 
conspiracy and fraud whereby enormous profits accrue to the 
alleged culpable parties ; but it is quite a different matter to 
establish them by satisfactory proofs. As now presented, no 
answer even having been filed, the matters rest upon naked 
allegations upon information and belief. It is impossible to 
anticipate what may turn out in the proofs. It may possi- 
bly turn out in some legal aspect of the case that defendants 
may be adjudged to account, whether rightfully or not, under 
circumstances disclosing no actual fraud, and no moral delin- 
quency at ail. In such a case a right to contribution would 
certainly arise in favor of the party who is called upon to pay 
more than his share, even though there is no partnership 
between them. A.t aU events, various results may be reaehed 
in different suits and different courts, under different views, 
different management, or different proofs; and under various 
possible aspects there might well be reasonable ground to 
elaim a right to contribution, and wherein a party might 
reasonably bring an action to enforce it, though he might 
fail in the action. In such a case the finality of the determi- 
nation, as to the party charged in the accounting who pays 
more than his share, does not depend upon the resuit of his 
action to compel a contribution, but upon whether he has 
reasonable ground in good faith to seek to compel a contri- 
bution, even though he may ultimately fail. For the purpose 
of this motion we cannot look forward and determine abso- 
lutely whether a right of contribution will ultimately exist or 
not. If it can be seen that, under any aspect of the case 
that may reasonably be presented, there may be reasonable&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/576</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634271</id>
    <revision>
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is abundantly established by many respectable courts, and 
he concludes it is a plea in bar and may be joined with the 
general issue; but the majority of the court held it could be 
pleaded by the corporation neither in abatement nor bar ; 
that sucb a plea was felo de se. See, also, Gulf R. Co. v. Shir- 
ley, 20 Kas. 660. Notwithstanding this, it will be found that 
the plea bas been made by the alleged corporation itself in 
many cases. Poster v. Wldte Cloud, 32 Mo. 505 ; Hobich v. 
Folger, 20 Wall. 1; Boijce v. M. E. Church, 46 Md. 359; 
Greemvood v. B. Co. 10 Gray, 373 ; Dooley v. Glosa Co. 15 
Gray, e94; Thornton v. Railway, 123 Mass. 32; Gott v. Adams 
Ex. Co. 100 Mass. 320 ; Inman v. Allport, 65 111. 5iO;PUbron 
V. R. Co. 5 M. G. &amp; S. (57 E. C. L.) 440. 
In Massachusetts it is held that the plea must be by the 
coi'poration, and that an officer or stockholder cannot make 
defence. Townsend v. Freewill Baptist, 6 Cush. 281; Byers 
\. Franklin Co. 14 Allen, 470; Robbins v. Justices, 12 Gray, 
225. Yet in Buch v. Ashuelot Co. 4 Allen, 357, and Foster 
V. Essex Bank, 16 Mass. 245, the fact of non-existence was 
otherwise made to appear in the one case by one having no 
right to plead, and in the other by suggestion of counsel. 
In Callender v. Painesville Co. 11 Ohio St. 516, the question 
■was directly adjudicated. An officer, not even served .with 
process, was allowed to file his affidavit and move to dismiss 
the suit, because the defendant had no corporate existence, 
the court holding that he was not an intruder; that a judg- 
ment against the company would be against ail the members 
collectively, including him as an individual; and that any 
member, under the circumstances, might make the motion to 
dismiss, and be heard upon it. And in Pllbrow v. Railway 
Co. 54 B. C. L. 730, the right of the person served to make 
the defence was upheld. See, also, Stevenson v. Thorn, 13 M. 
&amp; W. 149; Stewart v. Dimn, 12 M. &amp; W. 655. 
The defence was made by the persons served with process, 
pleading in abatement, in Rand v. Proprietors, 3 Day, 441 ; 
Evarts v. Killingworth Co. 20 Conn. 447; and Express Co. v. 
Haggard, 37 111. 465. And in Elliott v. Holmes, 1 McLean, 466, 
it was held that a person served with process against another&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/590</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634285</id>
    <revision>
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he exaggerated the value of the carriage he got, saying it was 
worth $10,000, and that the speaking tube, extending from 
the inside of the carriage to the driver's seat, was worth $500. 
Other acts and speeches of plaintiff are detailed by the wit- 
nesses,going to show his reasoning faculties were more or less 
deranged. His condition remained the same for four or ûve 
days after the trade, when his mind seemed to be restored to 
its normal condition, and he inquired for his property, and 
seemed quite confounded when told he had traded it for the 
carriage. He testifies that he bas no knowledge or recollec- 
tion of anything that he said or did from the fourteenth of 
July, the date he received his injury, untilthe twenty-seoond 
day of that month. 
Persons who saw the plaintiff casually during tbis time tes- 
tify that they observed nothing in his speech or action io 
indicate that he was not sane; but those who were well 
acquainted with bim, and who were with him much before and 
after the injury, and who had the best opportanity of form- 
ing a correct opinion on the subject, agree in saying he was 
not in his right mind, and' was utterly incapable of transact- 
ing business, or forming or exercising a deliberate and intel- 
ligent judgment on any subject. 
Opinions of witnesses not experts are competent evidence 
in cases where the objeet is to prove capacity or incapacity 
to make a contract when the faots or circumstances are dis- 
closed on which they found their opinions. Kelly's TIeirs v. 
McGuire, 15 Ark. 555, 601. 
In answer to a hypothetical question, which fairly stated 
the plaintifï's condition as disolosed by tha evidence, Dr. 
Barry givea it as his opinion that the f acts indicate a deranged 
condition of mind at the time the trade was made. 
One of the physical causes of insanity is severe injuries to 
the head from blows, causing concussion of the brain. The 
evidence satisfactorily establishes the fact that the fall plain- 
tifi received produced concussion of the brain, and that this 
condition continued until after the trade with defendants. 
Against the consequences of mistaken judgment or mere 
imprudence and foUy on the part of one making a contract&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/596</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634291</id>
    <revision>
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the month of September, 1878, he loaned to the defendant 
James H. Marley $5,000, with the promise to complainant 
that the bond and mortgage to be given by Marley as secur- 
ity for the loan should be made directly to her as part of said 
settlement; that the bond and mortgage were in fact exe- 
cuted by Marley and wife to John F. Boylan, who shortly 
afterwards, in pursuance of an understanding and agreement 
■with her husband, signed, sealed and acknowledged an assign- 
ment of the same to the complainant, whereby the title to 
the mortgage beeame vested in her; that afterwards, on de- 
mand, he refused to surrender the papers to her, claiming 
ownership in himself, by purchase for valuable consideration 
from Elisha Buckman, which she charges is a mere contriv- 
ance between the defendant Boylan and her husband to 
deprive her of the benefit of the gift. 
The prayers of the Mil are, (1) that the defendant Elisha 
Buckman may be decreed to pass over to the complainan&lt;t 
the bond and mortgage, if the same are in his possession or 
under his control; (2) that the defendant John P. Boylan 
may be decreed to deliver up to complainant the bond, mort- 
gage and assignment thereof, if the same continue in his 
possesion or under his control; (3) that if the assignment 
heretofore made by the said Boylan to the complainant bas 
been destroyed, he may be decreed to execute and surrender 
to her a second assignment, so as to fully vest the legal title 
in her; (4) that as between the complainant and defendants 
Elisha Euckman and John P. Boylan, and every person who 
has obtained a secret interest in the bond and mortgage, a 
decree may be made vesting the title, and the debt secured 
by the same, in the complainant; and (5) that it may be 
decreed in what sum the said Marley waa indebted to the 
complainant upon said bond and mortgage, and thac he may 
be protected by a decree from ail loss in the payaient of the 
mortgage debt to the complainant. 
The answer of Boylan admits the due execution of the bond 
and mortgage to him by Marley and wife, and states that he 
had no interest in the transaction at that time, as Euckman 
furniehed the money for the loan; that he understood, eithei&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/614</title>
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    <id>634309</id>
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By a reference to the proofs I see that the matter was very 
fully considered, and the &quot;claims&quot; involved in this suit are 
said to be valid and subsisting &quot;claima.&quot; For the p'irpoaes 
of a provisional injunction under the patent law two things, 
or either of two thingg, may exist, to-wit : As in this case, 
a court, after full consideration of the matter, has rendered 
a final decree upholding the validity of the patent, that is a 
sueScient basis in itself for an injunction or some form of a 
restraining or accounting order, provided the party defendant 
in the particular case has infringed the patent ; in other 
words, the court, on a motion for a provisional injunction, 
does not go into the mcrits to ascertain the validity of the 
patent. Prima fade the patent is valid; but under the 
uniform rulings of the courts of the United States for more 
than half a century, if there has been no decision as to the 
patent by a United States court, on the merits, the party is 
driven to show that hia patent went into use undisputed for 
a sufficient time to raise a prima facie case in his favor. But 
if the court, after a due consideration of the matter, has reached 
the conclusion that the patent is valid, on this provisional 
matter the inquiry is not open. 
The United States circuit court, sitting in Indiana, Judge 
Drummond giving the opinion, decided after a fair contest, 
for from the record it seems to have been a bona fide contest, 
that this patent is valid. I make the remark &quot;after a fair 
contest,&quot; because sometimes it has been supposed that a mere 
decree enteveà pro foryna on the merits is sufficient in itself 
to require ail other United States circuit courts to grant a pro- 
visional injunction. Not so. We have held in this circuit that 
it must have been an honest and not a coUusive matter. In 
a case in the United States circuit court of xiiabama a matter 
formerly arose which illustrates my remark. 
When one of the most distinguished lawyers of New York 
was before me, he cited a case which was decided in Califor- 
nia, and which, on an examination of the record, I found to 
be a sham case, the decree being obtained by collusion in order 
to allow parties who held the patents to put under restraint 
parties refnsingto submit to their demanda; and, of course.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/616</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634311</id>
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the bung desired without the loas of any material. He had 
a very ingenious arrangement for that, and it operated -with 
the whole machine, automatically. But that involved a 
cône, eccentrics, varions bars, slats, slides, etc., which it would 
take too much time to explain, unless I had the model before 
me. 
The patentees' claim is doscribed by himself as follows : 
&quot;1. The chisel or cutter D, with cylindrical cavity, in com- 
bination with the plunger C, and feediug bar i, constructed 
and arranged, substantially as deseribed, for the purpose of 
cutting bung blanks from separate square blocks of wood. 
&quot;2. The combination of feeding slide-bar i, feed-box C, 
guides 00, and spring o', for feeding successively one of a 
series or pile of bung-blocks forward in exact line wi-th the 
cutting edge of the ohisel of a bung machine, operating sub- 
stantially as deseribed- 
&quot;8. The cutter D, feeding slide-bar i, and plunger C, so 
arranged relatively to each other as that the cutter or chisel 
shall, when cutting, have at least two blocks or blanks in line 
with its cuting edge, and that at each stroke of the machine 
the cutter shall finish cutting one block or blank, and enter 
and partly eut a second blank, instead of cutting a single 
blank at each stroke, substantially as and for the purpose 
hereinbefore deseribed. 
&quot;4. The cutter and feeding device of a bung-cutting ma- 
chine, arranged substantially as hereinbefore deseribed, as 
that each block as it is fed into the machine shall serve as 
a cutting board for the next preceding block. 
&quot;5. The use of the hingci bar m, in the slot of the sliding 
feed bar i, in combination with the vibrating shaft h\ whereby, 
by raising the bar m, the motion of the feed bar i is suddenly 
arrested, without stopping the motion of the other parts of 
the machine.&quot; 
The fourth claim is the one which it is alleged the defend- 
ant infringes. Now, if the combination for placing one block 
after another on the fish-mouth cutter, whether underneath 
or sideways, vertical or longitudinal, so as to operate as a 
cutting board through which that fish-month may penetrate.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/632</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634327</id>
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contract required him to go furtûer. The rights of the par- 
ties are fixed by the bill of lading, and the evidence of con- 
versations prier to the date of it cannot have any effect to 
vary its provisions. The facts that the consignee's wharf 
was an old wharf, and that many canal beats were towed or 
poled up there every year, and that the consignee generally 
received his coal there, have no bearing on the question. 
His wharf was not the customary place for landing cargoes 
of coal at the port of Hackensack. It was, at most, but on» 
of &quot;several such customary places; and the particular con- 
tracts made in other cases are not shown. This libellant had 
the right to stand on his contract, even if other persons had 
yielded to the demand of this consignee, under similar con- 
tracts, to bring their boats to his wharf; and the consigneô 
could have expressly contracted to bave the boat brought to 
his wharf if he had seen fit. 
The libellant is entitled to a decree for the damages sus- 
tained by him from the refusai of the consignee to receive the 
cargo. 
Decree for libellant, with costs, and a reference to comput» 
damages. 
Bergen p. The Steam-Tuo Josehh Stiokney, etc. 
(District Court, 8. D. iVew York. March 16, 1880.) 
CoiiLlsioN — Evidence — Burden op Pboop. — &quot; In the case of injury from 
a collision the burden of proof is upon the libellant to ahow, by a fair 
preponderance of the evidence, that the collision happened, aad that it 
was the cause of the injury.&quot; 
In Admiralty. 
J. A. Hyland, for libellant. 
E. D. McCarthy, for claimant, 
Choate, J. This is a libel for damages alleged to have 
been caused by a collision between the steam-tug Joseph Stiok- 
ney and the libellant's canal boat, Ida, on the twentieth day 
of May, 1879. The Ida was taken in tow on the nineteenth 
of May, having on board a, cargo of coal, at South Amboy,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/664</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634359</id>
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no ]ust distinction can be made between the owner's title and 
his possession, between Ms abstract right of property and 
those incidents of use and enjoyment which constitute the 
value of ownerslîip, or between a law or proceeding which 
purports to effect a change of title and one which purports 
to estop him from recovering the possession of the property, 
while not denying his title. Nor can there be any doubt that 
if the plaintiff is deprived of his property by the decision of 
the surrogate that he is dead, made binding and conclusiye 
upon him by act of the legislature, he is deprived of his prop- 
erty by the state, within the meaning of the constitution. 
The prohibition clearly extends to the action of the state, 
through any or all of the departments, legislative, executive 
or judicial. 
The principal question, however, still remains whether the 
plaintiff in this case, who, by the statutes of New York, aa 
construed by its courts, and by the proceeding had under 
those statutes, would clearly be deprived of his property — that 
is, of his elaim against his debtor, the defendant — would be so 
deprived of it &quot;hy due process oflaw.&quot; If he would not Jbe he 
has no ground of complaint in this court. 
The term, &quot;due process of law,&quot; as used in the fourteenth 
amendment of the constitution of the United States, is the 
same expression used in many of the state constitutions and 
in the fifth amendment, above referred to. Its meaning haa 
been many times expounded by the supreme court. 
In Walker v. Sanvinet, 92 U. S. 92, Mr. Chief Justice 
Waite says : &quot;A state cannot deprive a person of his prop- 
erty without due process of law, but this does not necessarily 
imply that all trials in the state court affecting the property 
of persons must be by jury. This requirement of the con- 
stitution, is met if the trial is had according to the settled 
course of judicial proceedings. Due process of law is process 
due according to the law of the land. This process in the 
states is regulated by the law of the state. Our power over 
that law is only to determine whether it is in conflict with 
the supreme law of the land ; that is to say, with the consti- 
tution and laws of the United States made in nursuance&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/670</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634365</id>
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ing the appropriation of private property to public use, im- 
pliedly declares that for any other use private property shall 
not be taken from one and applied to the private use of 
another.' And in Bloodgood v. The Mohawk e Hudson R. R. 
Go. 18 Wend. 59, Mr. Senator Traoy said : ' The words should 
be construed as equivalent to a constitutional declaration that 
private property, without the consent of the owner, shall be 
taken only for the public use, and then only upon a just com- 
pensation.' 
&quot;I feel no disposition to question the soundness of these 
views, but still it seems to me that the case stands stronger 
upon the first member of the clause, 'No person shall be 
deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.' 
The words 'due process of law,' in tkis place, cannot mean less 
than a prosecution or suit instituted and conducted according to 
the prescribed forms and solemnities for ascertaining guilt, or 
determining the title to property. It will be seen that the same 
measure of protection against legislative encroachment is 
extended to life, liberty and property, and if the latter can be 
taken without a forensic trial and judgment, there is no seour- 
ity for the others. If the legislature can take the property 
of A. and transfer it to B., they can take A. himself and either 
shut him up in prison or put him to death. But none of 
these things can be done by legislation. There must be 'due 
process of law.'&quot; 
These authorities would seem to be more than sufficient t» 
establish the proposition that it is not competent for a state, 
by a law declaring a judicial determination that a man is 
dead, made in his absence, and without any notice to or pro- 
cess issued against him, conclusive for the purpose of divest- 
ing him of his property, and of vesting it in an administrator 
for the benefit of his creditors and next of kin, either abso- 
lutely or in f avor of those only who innocently deal with such 
administrator. The immediate and necessary effect of such 
a law is to deprive him of his property without any process 
of law whatever as against him, although it is done by process 
of law against other people, his next of kin, to whom notice 
is given.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/678</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634373</id>
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ence, therefore, to the power to subject the property of absent 
persons to attachment for their debts does not tend to show 
that the process in this case was &quot;due process of law,&quot; but 
rather thecontrary; all the ordinary incidents of such process 
which alone make it &quot;due process&quot; are wanting, Nor is the 
object and design of the laws in question to apply the prop- 
erty to the payment of debts. Though that is incidentally 
provided for, their chief object, as well as their chief effeot, 
is to distribute it among the supposed next of kin, who have in 
fact no right to it. 
There can be no question, also, that it ia within the power, 
and is the duty, of the state to provide all proper safeguards 
for the protection of innocent persons who bave been led into 
mistake, to their injury, by the action of the surrogate, or 
otherwise; but, as it seems to me, this laudable and proper 
legislation must stop where it will operate to deprive another 
innocent person of his property for their benefit, There are 
some misfortunes that aven the most innocent cannot be pro- 
teoted against by the power of the state. Such is the case of 
persons who are innoeently misled into the belief that void 
judgments are valid, as in the case of a suit carried on against 
a person supposed to be alive, but in reality dead. Lorlng v. 
Folger, 7 Gray, 505; Jochimsen v. Savings Bank, 3 Allen, 87. 
In fact, this argument for the protection of the innocent 
sufferer against the consequences of the acts of another, by 
whom he has been misled into the misfortune of parting with 
his money, seems to be a misapplication of the doctrine of 
estoppel in pais. If the plaintiff has, by his conduct or decla- 
rations, induced the defendant to pay this money to the per- 
son holding the letters, then he will be estopped to deny the 
authority of that person to reçoive it; but every case of estop- 
pel in pais must rest on its own peeuliar circumstances. The 
defendant has not pleaded an estoppel in pais, but an estoppel 
by record — a judgment alleged to be binding on the plaintif. 
Nor has any court directly or plainly put the exemption of the 
defendant from liability, in a case like this, on any other 
ground than such an estoppel by record. Nor does it seem to 
me that a person remaining out of the state for however long&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/706</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634401</id>
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protect the govemment against fraud bj manufacturera or 
dealers in snuff withont importing into section 3376 word» 
not there. It -vFould have been very easy for congress to have 
enacted that the possession of any part of a stamp previously 
used should be punishable, if auoh had been the purpose ; or it 
might have been enacted that the possession of parts which were 
capable of being united or reunited, etc., should be an offence. 
When the specifie mode of using stamps for tobacco and snuff, 
as prescribed by the statutes and regulations thereunder, is 
considered, it is evident that section 3376 contemplated stamps 
detached as a whole, and not the mere possession of fragments 
of stamps, no matter how capable of being used. 
If stamps previously used are again affixed to a package, 
or if not destroyed when the package is emptied, etc., the 
section provides for appropriate penalties. Why, then, should 
a court go beyond the terms of the section to declare that to 
be an offence, by construction, which the statute does not 
make an offence, especially when the same section makes 
punishable any failure to destroy the stamp on opening the 
package, or any affixing of the stamp to a new package ? 
The question must be resolved in favor of the defendant, 
although the facts stated indicate a fraudulent purpose on 
his part. 
McCbaey, J., concurs. 
Ameeioan Union Telbgraph Co, v. Bell Telephonb Co. 
(Circuit Oowt, JS. D. Missouri- April 12, 1880.) 
Mandamus— JURisDiCTiON OF THB OrRCtTn- COURTS. — The junsdictioii of 
the circuit courts in mandamus proceedings is not enlarged by the act 
ot 1875. 
Motion for discharge of order to show cause why writ of 
mandamus should not issue. 
Cli?ie, Jamison &amp; Day, for petitioner. 
Edmund T. Allen, for respondent.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/726</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634421</id>
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FEDERAL REPORTER, 
now under consideration alleges that it is claimed on the 
part of the creditors that the deed of trust of the twentieth 
of July, 1875, is fraudulent and void /or varions reasons — 
First, becanse the bankrupts did not make the oath that the 
indentures and schedules required by the law contained a 
statement of all the property belonging to them, and because 
they did not make oath to other facts named in the statute ; 
second, because the trustees, before entering upon their trust, 
did not make oath that they -would faithfully execute the 
same, together with other things named in the statute; third, 
because the bankrupts reserved in the deed of trust the right 
to instruct the trustees as to their duties ; fourth, because they 
reserved the right, with the consent of two-thirds in value of 
their crediiors, to remove one or all of the trustees; Jifth, 
because they authorized the trustee to sell the property on 
credit, or in any other manner that might seem for the beat 
interests of all the creditors. 
The general question in the case is whether the assign- 
ment made by the bankrupts in trust for the benefit of all 
their creditors was valid, or whether, on account of any or all 
the reasons named in the bill or presented in the argument 
on the demurrer by the defendants, it is fraudulent and void. 
Independent of the bankrupt law of the United States, there 
can be no doubt that it was competent for the bankrupts to 
make such an assignment as that named in the bill. Being 
insolvent, it was the most equitable distribution that could be 
made of their property to divide it equally among all their 
creditors. Then, unless the assignment was rendered invalid 
by virtue of the bankrupt law of the United States or of the 
provisions of the state law already referred to, it must be con- 
sidered a valid assignment. If it was inoperative, by virtue 
of the bankrupt law, then the property, being all in the pos- 
session of the assignees in bankruptcy, the object of the 
bankrupt law is accomplished, and it is ready for distribution 
to the creditors of the bankrupts according to the terms of 
that law; and so there coula be no objection to the bill on 
the ground that the assignment was invalid under the opera- 
tion of a banKrupt law.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/758</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>634453</id>
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of its obligations and duties to the government, and to the 
public. 
In my judgment the act of July 1, 1862, and its amend- 
ments, must be construed as chartering the Union Pacific 
EaiIrOad Company, and devolving upon it, individually and 
personally, the power and duty of constructing, operating and 
maintaining a line of telegraph, as well as a railroad. This 
is made manifest by the consideration that the government 
endowed the corporation with large grants of land and bonds, 
to aid in the construction of these lines, and impressed upon 
the Company the duty of reimbursing the government from 
the earnings of the road and telegraph line. Section 6, act 
of 1862. It is also clear from the language of the first sec- 
tion of said act, which empowers the corporation &quot;to lay out, 
locate, construct, furnish, maintain and enjoy a continuons 
railroad and telegraph, with the appurtenances,&quot; that the 
power conferred was personal, and carried with it a duty and 
an obligation which could net be transferred. 
The very same language which authorizes the construction 
and operation of the telegraph line also authorizes the con- 
struction and operation of the railroad, and the property in 
the one is as necessary to the performance of the public 
duties of the corporation as that in the other, The charter of 
the Company, with the amendments, considered as a whole, was 
manifestly intended to create a corporation which should be 
personally amenable to the government, in the exercise of 
the powers conferred, and which should in quasi public capac- 
ity perform the duties imposed, and render an aecount of its 
earnings. 
The purpose was not to authorize the construction of a line 
either of railroad or telegraph to be thereafter sold, leased or 
transferred to other parties, leaving the government to the 
chances of securing from or through the lessee or vendee its 
proportion of the earnings. This is made still more clear by 
the provisions of the act of June 20, 1874, amending the 
charter, which imposes upon the company and its officers and 
agents penalties for a failure to operate or use said railroad 
or telegraph, so far as the public and the government are con-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/762</title>
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the court would have said : &quot;You must corne into this tribunal 
with clean hands; you must do equity before you can seek 
the aid of a court of conscience.&quot; 
The contention of the railroad company is that it should 
be permitted to take possession of the property in controversy 
without process or legal proceedings. While I am clear that 
the contracts under which the property is held by plaintiff 
are ultra vires, there is a dispute upon that subject, and such 
a dispute as in my judgment cannot be determined by the 
railroad company of its own motion. 
The right of rescission does not justify the railroad com- 
pany in taking possession ezcept by lawful means. The 
plaintiff has a right to be heard upon issue joined in a proper 
proceeding before being ejected. The present question is not 
■whether the contracts should be rescinded and the property 
restored to the railroad company, but whether this should be 
done by the railroad company upon its own motion, and in a 
way to deprive the plaintiff not only of a hearing in the regu- 
lar course of this court, but also deprive it of the right of 
appeal. 
It is one thing for me to hold that the contracts are in my 
judgment ultra vires, and quite another to say to the railroad 
company, &quot;You may tum the plaintiff out and take posses- 
sion without giving it a day in court.&quot; 
An injunction will often be granted to restrain a party from 
deciding for himself a question involving controverted rights, 
and to compel him to resort to the courts, and this without 
regard to the absolute merits of the controversy. It is enough 
that there is a controversy to justify a court of equity in direct- 
ing that it be settled by legal proceedings. Eckelkamp v. 
Schroeder, 45 Mo. 505 ; Varick v. New York, e John. Ch. 53 ; 
Dudley V. Trustees, 12. B. Monroe, 610; Farmers v. Beno, 53 
Pa. St. 224; Sunsing v. Steamboat Co. 7 John. Ch. 162. 
The prineiple settled by these and many other cases is that 
a party who is in actual possession of property, claiming under 
color of title, is not to be ousted, except by the means provided 
by law, and such a possession the court will protect by in- 
junction from disturbance by any other means. For this&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/766</title>
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From the statements in these receipf.s King supposed that 
Gill had made an assignaient to him of the mortgage on the 
margin of the record; btit, in faet, Grill did not assign the 
mortgage of record. This, however, was not discovered by 
King until after Gill had absconded. Within three days after 
Gill had left, King gave formai notice of his claim to Ham- 
ilton Lacock. 
On September 11, 1877, Lacock paid Gill, for King, the 
first instalment of interest, for which Gill gave Lacock a 
receipt which states that the mortgage ia &quot;now held by Mr. 
Wm. G. King.&quot; This interest Gill paid over to King. S. B. 
W. Gill was a member of the Pittsburgh bar, and until he 
left, in September, 1877, his professional standing was good, 
and he possessed the confidence of the community. 
I bave been thus particular, in stating every fact which I 
regard as material, bocause I am constrained to dissent from 
the conclusion of the learned master in respect to the con- 
flicting assignments to PoUock and King, which he thus states : 
&quot;Neither of them being entered of record in the recorder's 
office, on the margin of the recorded mortgage, it is simply a 
question as to whose assignment was first delivered.&quot; And, 
treating the assignment to PoUock as delivered when it was 
deposited in the post-office on April 9, 1877, he reports a 
decree in his favor for the portion of the mortgage assigned 
to him. But the case, it seems to me, is not one for the 
application of the maxim, qui prior est tempore potior est jure^ 
There are here other considerations besides that of time, 
which cannot be ignored if we would reach a just conclusion. 
Mathew M. Pollock, it must be observed, parted with no 
money or other valuable thing upon the faith of the Lacock 
bond and mortgage. He had left in Gill's hands $1,000, to 
be by hina invested in a mortage at his discretion ; and uot 
in this particular mortgage, which was not then so much as 
mentioned. 
In confiding his money to Gill, Pollock, in the first instance, 
trusted exclusively to his personal responsibility and integrity. 
His subsequent arrangement with Gill, which the latter carried 
ont, was for an assignment which was entirely inadec[uate for&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/767</title>
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his protection, as it left Gill in possession of the bond and 
mortgage, and in a position to deal as lawful owner of the 
same with innocent third persons. Jeffers v. Gill, for vse, 8 
W. N. G. 19; Kellogg v. Smith, 26 N. Y. 18. It is said in 
Jones on Mortgages, (vol. 1, § 476,) that, except under peculiar 
circumstances, a person acting in good faith would not take a 
mere written transfer of the mortgage title without a delivery 
of the mortgage itself, and the note ox bond secured thereby. 
Now, the actual good faith of Mr. PoUock is not open to ques- 
tion. But, unfortunately for him, he accepted such an assiga- 
ment as no ordinarily prudent man would have taken ; and it 
must be remembered that in bis previous interview with Gill 
this manifestly was the kind of assignment which Gill pro- 
posed to mail to PoUock, and which the latter then impliedly 
agreed to accept. 
After receiving his assignment he did absolutely nothing 
to make it efficient. He took no steps to have it made mat- 
ter of record, or noted upon the original papers, and he did 
not even give the mortgagors notice. Had he given season- 
able notice to Hamilton Lacock, it is highly probable that 
the double assignment would have been discovered in time to 
frustrate Gill's fraud and prevent this loss; for Lacock had 
contemporaneous information from Gill that King had ad- 
vanced the money on the bond and mortgage. 
William G. Eang, as we have seen, found the bond in Gill's 
hands, and the mortgage, if not in his actual possession, in 
the recorder's office, under his control, with nothing appear- 
ing upon either instrument to indicate any prior assignment. 
On the faith of the securities, without notice or means of 
knowledge of the assignment to Pollock, he made the purchase 
in perfect good faith, paying a fuU consideration. He imme- 
diately took the wise precaution of having the assignment to 
him put upon the back of the bond. He supposed, and from 
the receipts which Gill delivered to him he had good right 
to believe, that a proper assignment of the mortgage had been 
made on the margin of the record, in the customary way. 
But without such assignment the title to the mortgage passed 
to and vested in him ; for it is firmly settled that the debt&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/770</title>
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sehedule was furnished by Clement, in accordance with the 
conditions of the policy, in which the goods lest were valued 
at $6,600. He also submitted to an examination on oath by 
an agent of the defendants, as required by the contract. 
There was evidence tending to show that some of his state- 
ments in the sehedule and examination — but more especially 
in the former — were false, though it was not admitted or 
directly proved that they were wilfully so. The insured 
became bankrupt after this, and the action was prosecuted 
by his assignees, and resulted in a verdict for the plaintiiïs. 
One point of law reserved at the trial has been argued with 
BO much zeal and ability, and is thought by the defendants 
to be of 60 great importance, that I have examined it with 
care, and shall give my views upon it at more length than 
its intrinsic difficulty may seem to require. 
There is a preliminary matter, which I will first dispose 
of. The proofs of loss, including the sehedule above men- 
tioned, were put into the case by the plaintiffs with the 
express avowal that they were offered and used merely to 
prove that the proofs had been duly made. The witnesse» 
who made the sehedule had it before them when they tes- 
tified, and many questions were asked them by both sides as 
to how it was made up, etc. The paper itself was not re- 
ferred to by counsel on either side, nor by the court, as evidence 
of value. The defendants asked me, in writing, to instruct 
the jury that the paper was not evidence of value. I neg- 
lected, by inadvertence, to give this ruling, ,and this is the 
first ground upon which a new trial is asked for. Inasmuch 
as not a word had been said throughout the trial which would 
lead the jury to suppose that the proofs of loss were evidence 
of value, but the value was most elaborately argued on both 
sides on wholly different grounds, and as the proposed in- 
struction was not read in the presence of the jury, so that 
my silence could not bave misled them, I think there was no 
error in this omission. The supreme court of Maine bave 
decided that, where such a paper is put in without objection, 
it is evidence for ail purposes; but I need not consider that 
point. Moore v. Providence Ins. Co. 29 Maine, 97.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/790</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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of the section is substantially like that of section 6485 of the 
Eevised Statutes, as it now stands, and under which this 
indictment was framed, viz. : &quot;Any agent, attorney or other 
person, instrumental in prosecuting any claim for pension, 
* * * who shall directly or indirectly contract for, demand 
or reeeive or retain any greater compensation for his services 
or instrumentality in prosecuting a claim for a pension than 
as provided,&quot; etc. It will be observed that the word retain is 
used, thus implying that there might be money of the pen- 
sioner in the hands of the agent or attorney or other person, 
notwithstanding the act of 1870 forbade payment to such 
agent, attorney or person. And then the section proceeds, 
the language used in section 31 of the act of 1873 and in 
section 5485 of the Eevised Statutes being preoisely the same : 
&quot;Or who shall v^rongfully withhold from the pensioner or the 
claimant the whole or any part of the pension or claim 
allowed and due such pensioner or claimant, he shall be 
deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor. &quot; 
It was an act passed after the act of 1870 in which this 
language is used. The clause in section 3 of the act of 1870 
is preserved in section 4766 of the Eevised Statutes, which 
declares that &quot;hereafter no pension shall be paid to any 
person other than the pensioner entitled thereto.&quot; So that 
hoth these parts of the Statutes of 1870 and 1873 are found 
in the Eevised Statutes, and the question is whether they 
cannot stand together ; whether, in other words, we ean reject 
section 6485 of the Eevised Statutes merely because it does 
not speak of the receipt of money by an agent, attorney or 
other person representing the pensioner, but merely mentions 
the withholding of the money from him. It seems to me 
that, taking ail this legislation together, while it indicates, 
perhaps, not quite so much care as there ought to be in 
legislating at different times upon the same subject, still it is 
the duty of the court to harmonize this varions legislation, 
and if practicable to reconeile one part with another. And 
it must be presumed, I think, the intention of congress was, 
by incorporating into the Eevised Statutes a part of section 
31 of the act of 1873, to declare that whenever a person was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/808</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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stitution, the laws of the United States, &quot; etc. Under the prin- 
ciples laid down in the decision in Osborn v. Bank of the 
United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 819, it must be regarded as set- 
tled tiiat a suit by a corpoi-ation created by the United Statea 
is a suit arising under the laws of the United States. 
The allegations of the petition above recited are sufficient 
to show that the suit arises under a law of the United States. 
The case is not like that of Gold-Washing Co. v. Keyes, 6 Otto, 
199. In that case the corporation was not one created by an 
aet of congress, and the petition for removal, which was 
made by the corporation and others, did not state facts suffi- 
cient to show that the case, which was a suit against the corpo- 
ration and others, arose under the laws of the United States. In 
the present suit, the mere allegation that the plaintiff is a 
corporation created by act of congress shows that the tuit ia 
Qne arising under the laws of the United States. 
The motion to remand the suit is denie d. 
In re Hamilton, Bankrupt. 
{District Court, £&gt;. Kentueky. April 14, 1880.) 
Paktnekship— Conjoint Firm — Inbividuai. Paetners. — There would 
seem to be no legal difflculty in the way of treating two flrms as individ- 
ual partners in a conjoint firm, if such be the obvions intention of the 
parties. 
SAMB — BASKRUPTCr OF JlEMBBB OP FiRM — ClAIM PbOVED BY FiBM JS 
Competition with Creditors of Conjoint Firm — CoMPROsrisB.— One 
of such firms cannot, in competition with the creditors of the conjoint 
flrm, prove a claim for the part paj-ment of the partnership debts, 
against a bankrupt member of the othor firm, where such creditors had 
released such partnership from ail further obligation, upon the express 
consideration that the individual liability of the bankrupt for the resi- 
due of such partnership debt should not be impaired. 
Bame — Same — Unlawfoi, Preference — Kev. St. § 5128.— Such contract, 
made within four months of the filing of the petition in bankruptcy, did 
not constitute a preference in favor of the partnership creditors under 
section 5128 of the Kevised Statutes. 
Bankruptcy— DrviDEND Declared Under a Trust— Phoof op Wholb 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/818</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the expenses and disbursements, the net proceeds of the joint 
stock s hall be appropriated to pay the creditors of the copart- 
nerehip, and the net proceeds of the separate estate of each 
partner shall be appropriated to pay his separate creditors.&quot; 
The section contains a further provision that in case there 
is a' surplus, after payment of the debts peculiar to each part- 
ner or the individual member, it shall be paid to the creditors 
of the other. This section is a subsfcantial embodiment in 
statutory form of an equitable principle, which has long 
obtained both in England and this country, to the effect that 
partnership assets must go, primarily, to pay partnership 
creditors, and individual assets to individual creditors. In 
England, however, where the general rule originated, it is 
Bubject to certain well established exceptions, one of which 
is that, if the partner has fraudulently converted property or 
money of the firm to his own use, proof on behalf of the 
joint estate is allowed in respect of such property against his 
separate estate, and in competition with his separate credit- 
ors. Liadley on Partnership, 996, 1004, 1007; Lodge v. 
Fendall, 1 Yes. Jr. 166 j Ex parte Harris, 2 Ves. &amp; B. 210; 
Ex parte Young, 3 Yes. &amp; B. 34; Ex parte Smith, 6 Mad. 2. 
It is insisted, however, in opposition to the proof of debt in 
this case, that the exceptions mentioned to the English rule 
ought not to be incorporated into our bankruptcy System, and 
cannot stand, in the face of the express provision of section 
6121, above quoted. There are some cases which undoubt- 
edly lend support to this theory. In the Somerset Potiers' 
Works V. Minot, 10 Cush. 592, it was held by the supreme 
court of Massachusetts that under the insolvent law of that 
state, which contained a provision simUar to that of the bank- 
rupt act, the net proceeds of the separate estate of each part- 
ner must be first appropriated to pay his separate creditors, 
and that this rule was not subject to any exceptions which 
would be admitted in England. It was said in that case that 
&quot;if there be no joint property the creditors of the firm cannot, 
under the statute, share in the separate property pari passii 
with the separate creditors,&quot; although it was admitted that in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/828</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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whole elass of cases the rules of law are well settled, but they 
afford little or no aid in determining the questions that arise 
where the money or the property used by the firm is brought 
in through the fraud of one of the partners in abusing the 
trust confided to him by a third party. 
Where a third party loans money to a partner on his 
individual credit, his putting that money into the firm creates 
no contract between the firm and the lender, for the very 
obvious reason that it was the lender's intention to lend the 
money to the individual partner, and, as in such a case the 
money is ient without any restriction as to its use, the bor- 
rower may do what he likes with it, and what he does with it 
is no longer any concern of the lender; and, of course, it 
makes no difference whatever that the borrower's copartner 
happens to know, when the borrower pays it into the firm, 
that he bas borrowed it even for the purpose of lending it to 
the firm. 
If a partner, in applying for a loan, however, acts therein as 
s, partner and for his firm, then the firm will owe the money 
to the lender, even though he did not, at the time, know that 
the borrower was acting for his firm. At any rate, if he 
chooses to treat the firm as the borrower, he may do so as 
in any other case of an undisclosed principal acting through 
an agent. But it is unnecessary to refer especially to this 
«lass of cases, because the principles that govern the present 
«ase are not those that relate to the lending of money unat- 
tended by fraud or breach of trust. 
It is claimed by the learned counsel for the contesting 
«reditors that the rule of law is well settled that where a 
partner, coming into the possession of money by the abuse 
of his individual trust, or duty to a third person, puts that 
money into the firm without any knowledge of the fraud on 
the part of his copartners, no obligation arises on the part of 
the firm to pay back the money to the party who, as against 
the partner so wrongfully paying it in, could demand it ; that, 
though the guilty partner is liable to the person wronged, the 
firm is not liable ; that, though the party wronged, if he can 
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cludes the defendant, as he bas not thought proper to appeal 
from the same, after submitting himself to the jurisdiction. 
This was not seriously controverted by his counsel at the 
hearing; but the application was mainly resisted upon the 
ground that the defendant had discovered that the said im- 
provements were not new either with him or with Bigelow, 
and that the Bigelow patent, on which this action was founded, 
as well as his own patent, was void for want of novelty. 
A new question is thus presented, and one by no means 
unimportant : Will the court allow a patentee, who has lost 
his rights to the protection of the law in consequence of 
proof that his alleged invention was anticipated by others, to 
proteet himself in the continued use of the patented improve- 
ments by showing that neither he nor the other party was the 
first inventer? In other words, whether the issuing of a 
patent estops the patentee from proving that the invention 
claimed therein is not novel. I think the answer depends 
entirely upon the fact whether the party has acted in good 
faith in the matter. 
Every one making application for letters patent is obliged 
to file therewith an oath that he believes himself to be the 
original and first inventer or discoverer of the art, machine, 
manufacture, composition, or improvement, for which he 
solicits the patent. Section 4892 of Eev. St. This is often 
done honestly, and yet untruthfully, owing to the ignorance 
on the part of the applicant of the state of the art. I can 
perceive no satisfactory reason why any one should not be 
permitted, after he has discovered his mistake, to set up the 
defence of want of novelty against another party, who claims 
an exclusive right to patented improvements which, in truth, 
belong to the public. But if one with a knowledge of the 
state of the arts surreptitiously attempts to appropriate to 
himself what he knows does not belong to him, he should be 
estopped, when his fraud is found out, from interposing such 
a defence, espeeially against a person whom the patent office 
has decided, as against his claim, to be the original and first 
inventer. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/870</title>
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Fentlabqb V. Beeston and another. 
(Circuit Court, E. D. New York. April 13, 1880.) 
Patent — ^Injonction — Licbnsb. — An injunction founded upon consent, 
enjoining the use of an invention, ia not necessarily deprived of vitality 
by the granting of a conditional license. 
Samb — Attachment — Suit Pendinq in State Coubt. — An attaohment 
will not be issued for the violation of such injunction vehile a suit is 
pending in a state court of competent jurisdiction, concerning the va- 
lidity of the agreement upon which the decree for the injunction was 
founded, and in relation to the legality of the revocation of the license 
which authorized the use of the invention. 
Preston Stevenson, for Pentlarge. 
Tracy Catlin Brodhead, for Beeston. 
Benediot, J. This case cornes before the court, upon a 
motion on the part of the defendants, for the stay of a pro- 
ceeding instituted by the plaintiff in this court, to punish the 
defendants for contempt, because of a violation by them of a 
perpetuai injunction, whereby they were restrained from 
making a certain form of bungs for caaks, described in a pat- 
ent issued to this plaintiff, and known as re-issue No. 5937. 
Of the many proceedings had in this court between these 
parties, arising eut of this patent, the following must be 
mentioned, in order to an understanding of the questions pre- 
Bented by this motion. 
In April, 1877, the plaintiff filed his bill in this court 
against the above named defendants, in which he set f orth the 
issuing of the said patent, and the infringement thereof by 
the defendants, and prayed to be awarded damages for said 
infringement, and a perpetuai injunction to restrain the de- 
fendants from using his invention in the future. After issue 
had been joined in that action, and on the third day of Janu- 
ary, 1878, an agreement of compromise was entered into 
between the plaintiff on the one side, and the defendants on 
the other, in which it was provided, among other things — 
First, that the defendants should admit the validity of the 
plaintiff's patent, and his exclusive right to the invention 
therein described, and that the defendants should cease in- 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/882</title>
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Mainwaeing V. Baek Caebib Dblap, etc. 
{Distriet Court, S. D. Mw York. March 6, 1880.) 
Gbnbkai. Cargo— Stowage — Dangbbous Abticle— LrABn^rar of Ship. 
— &quot;The ship is not responsible for injury neceasarily resulting to the 
goods of one shipper, by a general ship, from their being carried in the&quot; 
same vessel with the goods of other shippera, which, by usage, are a 
proper part of the same general cargo ; but if such injury, nevertheless, 
could have been avoided by the exercise of reasonable skill and attention 
on the part of the persons employed in the conveyance of the goods, then 
it is not deemed to be, in the sense of the law, such a loss as will exempt 
the carrier from liability, but rathcr a loss occasioned by his negligence 
and inattention to his duty.&quot; 
Certain baies of empty bags were shipped on an open-beam veasel, put 
up as a general ship, under a bill of lading stipulating for their delivery in 
good order, the &quot; perils of the sea &quot; exoepted. The bags were placed on 
a temporJiry deck of planks, covered with mats, directly over certain 
tierces of bleaching powder stowed in the lower hold. Hdd, that the 
ship was liable for the destruction of such bags caused by the fumes of 
the bleaching powder, set free by the pressure and workingof the cargo 
during heavy weather, without any negligence upon the part of those 
in charge of the vessel, in the absence of direct proof that such stowaga 
was necesaary to the trim of the vessel. 
In Adràiralty. 
E. G. Bell, for libellant. 
A. J. Heath, for claimants. 
Choatb, J. This is a suit to recover damages for injury 
done to baies of empty grain bags, shipped by the libellant at 
Liverpool for New York, under a bill of lading which stipu- 
lated in the usual form for their delivery in good order, &quot;the 
perils of the sea&quot; excepted. The bark was put up as a general 
ship. Her cargo consisted of 323 tierces and 40 casks of 
soda ash, 300 drums of caustic soda, 265 tierces of bleaching 
powder, 1,850 saoksof sait, 10,000 fire-brick, 1,703 empty 
petroleum barrels, 840 boxes of cutch, and 110 baies of bags, 
of which 67 were shipped by the libellant. There was some 
other miscellaneous cargo, of no great amount, which it ia 
unnecessary to mention in detail. The bark is what is ealled 
a,n open-beam vessel, having two deoks, the lower deck being 
laid only for a space about 25 feet long in the bow and about 
30 feet long in the after-part of the vessel. Upon the beama&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/896</title>
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ancy between the amount paid into the regîstry and the 
amounts stated in Patterson's answer, which I suppose is 
accounted for by a deduction of the brokerage on sale of the 
captain's draft, and a further deduction of $10. But as this 
small difference bas not been alluded to by counsel, I do not 
notice it. 
From the foregoing statement it is apparent that at the 
time Of the service of the attachment upon Patterson the 
only debt due Eadmann, attachable in the hands of Patterson 
or the owners of the Blagden, was the indebteduesa of the 
owners of the Blagden for address commission and freight 
brokerage. This sum, according to the eyideuce, became 
due Eadmann in New York, at the completion of the loadiag 
of the steamer, and it was therefore a debt attachable, as a 
credit of Eadmann with the owners of the steamer, at the 
time of the service of the attachment upon Patterson. But 
there was then no attachable credit arising out of the differ- . 
ence between the charter money and the freight list of the 
steamer, beoause the amount of that difference was due only 
in the event of the delivery of the cargo in Hamburg. Any 
liability for that difference in freight was dependent upon the 
performance of the voyage, and the collection of the freight 
according to the bills of lading. To an action in asaumpsit 
by Eadmann against Patterson, at the time the attachment 
was served, the perfect answer would be, that the excess of 
freight had not been coUected, and might never be. There 
being no cause of action by Eadmann against the owners of 
the Bladgen for this difference of freight, there was no such 
debt attachable in their hands. Such is the established law. 
Drake on Attachments, § 641 ; Keyea v. Milwaukee a St. Paul 
R. Co. 25 Wis. . 
But it is said Patterson, in bis answer as garnishee, had 
admitted an indebtedness for this difference of freiglit. If 
the proceeding on the part of Dent was against Patterson 
personally, to recover the amount of bis liability to Dent by 
reason of the attachment served upon him, there might • be 
force ia the suggestion that Patterson would be estopped 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/910</title>
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to move his wheel; that he immediately looked forward agaîn, 
and lie saw the huU ot the vessel ahead, and saw it was a 
steamer, and the boatswain at the s'ame moment exclaimed 
that it was a steamer, and that she was keeping off; that he 
jmmediately gave the order to the wheelsman to luff — that is 
to starboard; that the bark had not then altered her 
course under the order to keep off; that there was not time 
to get the wheel over; that under the second order the bark 
luffed about two points ; that he gave this order to co-operate 
•with the steamer in her movements ; that if he had kept his 
course the steamer would have struok the bark on the star- 
board quarter; that immediately after giving the second order 
he ordered the rest of the crew called from below, the danger 
was so imminent. 
The testimony of the man at the helm confirma that of the 
master as to the movements of the wheel; that the wheel was 
not got over under the first order, and the course of the 
bark was not altered by it. 
The testimony of ail the witnesses from the bark goes 
strongly to show that the vessels were very near together 
when first seen; that the speed of the steamer was very great ; 
that the time after sighting her was very short, and the suc- 
cession of events very rapid. The testimony of those on the 
bark is positive as to her course; that it was east by south, 
the wind being south-west; that until she luffed, just before 
the collision, her course was not to the southwardly of this ; 
that she had been keeping that course steadily till she sighted 
the steamer. 
The first contested question of fact is as to the course of 
the bark before she was sighted by the steamer. I think 
there is no doubt that those who observed her on the steamer 
thought she was on a course crossing that of the steamer to 
the southward when they first made her. This is not only 
the concurrent testimony of seven witnesses, but the fact is 
strongly sustained by the order of the master of the steamer 
to put the wheel &quot;hard a-port.&quot; Her bearing from the 
steamer is shown to have been a very little on the starboard 
bow, biit nearly ahead and coming towards them, the coursa&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 1.djvu/918</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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fog towards each other would leave time only for a momentary 
delusion. And so the log says, with reference to the porting 
of the steamer, &quot;instantly&quot; the ship kept away. The star- 
boardiug of the steamer is represented as immediately fol- 
lowing on this movement of the ship, and the vessels were 
already in instant peril of an inevitable collision. 
Nothing can be plainer than that this oeBcial log makes 
the distance very short, and the time very brief, from the 
point where the ship was observed to be on her east by 
south course to leeward of the steamer's course, to the col- 
lision. The first orders given on the steamer also show that 
the distance was very short. The orders were &quot;hard a-port&quot; 
and &quot;slow.&quot; 
Why should thb wheel have been put hard a-port, espeeially ' 
if, at the same time the steamer slowed, the approaching ship 
being but a quarter of a point on the starboard bow, and, as 
then observed. making a course to the southward of the 
steamer's course, if she were a mile, or even a half a toile, 
off ? The answer, as if anticipating this eriticism, character- 
izes the movement as made &quot;for greater caution.&quot; It was 
indeed, if true, upon the relative positions of the vessels as 
given by the steamer, extreme caution, and so much so as to 
Buggest in itself a serious doubt as to the truth of the case 
ehe makes. At the distance apart of a mile, a comparatively 
slight porting of the wheel would have been all that was re- 
quired, if anything, to clear the bark, her movement being all 
the time to the windward of the steamer's course. 
But the master of the steamer is not only contradicted on 
this point by the necessary inferences to be drawn from the 
of&amp;cial log, and by the probable inferences to be drawn from 
the measures he took on seeing the bark, but in his examina- 
tion before the receiver of the wrecks, dictated by himself, 
he expressly states the distance: &quot;She appeared to be 
about one-fourth of a mile distant. Instantly put the helm 
hard a-port,&quot; etc. 
It is claimed, on the part of the steamer, that this docu- 
ment is not competent evidence in the cause. This is so. 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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general assembly of Maryland to this case, two objection» 
are made : First, that it is an unconstitutional attempt of the 
Btate to interfere with the powers delegated by the constitu- 
tion to congress to regulate commerce among the several 
States. Undoubtedly it bas been beld that &quot;commerce&quot; in- 
cludes navigation and every species of commercial intercourse, 
(9 Wheaton, 1,) but it bas also been held that, until congress 
does exercise the power given to it in such way as to mani- 
fest the intention to supersede or prevent state legislation, 
the states may, by law, prescribe such police regulations as 
are necessary to prevent the obstruction of its harbors and 
navigable waters, and the safety of vessels lying at anchor 
or moving thereon. These regulations have been held con- 
stitutional, and bave been recognized by the admiralty as im- 
posing duties on vessels which must be complied with. The 
General Clinch, 21 How. 184, In Cooley's Constitutional 
Limitations it is stated, as the resuit of the decisions, that 
&quot;the state has the same power of regulating the speed and 
general conduct of ships and other vessels navigating its 
water highways, that it has to regulate the speed and con- 
duct of persons and vehicles upon the ordinary highway, 
Bubject to the restriction that its regulations must not coma 
in conflict with any regulations established by congress for 
foreign commerce or that between the states.&quot; 
I am of opinion that so much of the law as declares in 
what parts of the Annamessex river it shall not be lawf ul for 
vessels to anchor is a constitutional exercise of the rights of 
state legislation which the Eoach was bound to observe. 
As to the penalties prescribed by that act for violation of 
its provisions, they cannot be enforced in the admiralty. 
This court must apply to the case the general maritime rules 
applicable to a collision between two vessels, one of which is 
anchored in an improper place, not regarding so much of the 
act as declares that the vessel unlawfully at anchor shall in 
no case be entitled to recover for any loss resulting from a 
collision. The Gray Eagle, 9 Wall. 610; Williamson v. Bar- 
rett, 13 How. 109; The Continental, 14 Wall, 359. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/25</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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to defeat the claim of the plaintifiF, on the ground that she 
makes out no title to the money. The bank is thus a proper 
and a necessary party, and, being a citizen of the same state 
with the plaintiff, the case is not a removable one, under sec- 
tion 2 of the act of March 3, 1875, (18 U. S. St. at Large, 
470,) although the plaintiff and Lewis H. Bailey are citizens 
of different states. 
There is not in this case, as it now stands, any controversy 
between citizens of different states to which a defendant, citi- 
zen of the same state with the plaintiff, is not a necessary 
party, so as to make a case within the first subdivision of 
section 2 of the act of 1876 ,* nor any controversy which is 
wholly between citizens of different states, and which can be 
fully determined as between them without the presence of a 
defendant citizen of the same state with the plaintiff actually 
interested in such controversy, so as to make a case within 
the second subdivision of section 2 of the act of 1875. No 
case is cited where a removal has been allowed under section 
2, under circumstances such as those which exist in the pres- 
ent case; 
In WehlY. Wold, in this court, (December 10, 1879,) and 
in Healy v. Prevost, 8 Eeporter, 103, the original debtor had 
ceased to be a party, the money was in court, and the two 
remaining parties were of diverse citizenship. 
The motion to remand the cause is granted, with costs. 
The Chicago, St. Louis &amp; New Orl eans Eaileoad Compant 
V. Macomb and others. 
(Circuit Cowt, 8. D. UTew York. April 27, 1880.; 
Biu, FOB D18COTBKT — Speciai, Demubrer. — A special demnrrer to part 
of a blll must point out with certainty the part demurred to. 
Same— Ikteheogatoribs. — Interrogatories are not to be framed and lim- 
ited upon the theory that everything stated in the bill ia precisely and 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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beeause it does not point out with certainty the parts of the 
bill demurred to. 
The rule, undoubtedly, is that a special demur/er to part of 
a bill must point out with eerfcainty the part demurred to. 
This is not only necessary for reasons of convenience, but, 
nnless the demurrer has this precision, there must be great 
uncertainty in the judgment, if a judgment is entered, sus- 
taining the demurrer. Atwell v. Terrett, 2 Bl. 0. C. 39. The 
defendant's counsel relies, however, on the case of Claridge 
V. Hoar, le Ves. Jr. 65, as an authority for rejecting the 
words &quot;or elsewhere&quot; as surplusage. That was not a case of 
a demurrer, but of a plea, and I think it hns no relevancy to 
this question. 
It would seem that if the demurrrer is sustained it must 
be sustained as a whole. And if that is so the judgment 
would evidently be uncerfcain as to what parts of the bill 
under the judgment on the demurrer the defendant would be 
cxcused from answering. But as bo+ h parties have also fully 
argued this demux'rer on the merita, as if it were a demurrer 
to the discovery sought in the enumerated interrogatories 
only, I have examined it as if the words &quot;or elsewhere&quot; Jiad 
been omitted or could be rejected. 
The bill alleges that the first mortgage bonds to which iliese 
interrogatories relate are void in the hands of the defendant, 
on several grounds ; and among other things alleged in re- 
spect to all of that class of bonds held by this defendant it ia 
stated in the bill that thoy had not the certificate of the 
trustees to their genuineness, as required by the mortgage. 
This defect is alleged as one of the grounds for holding them 
void in the hands of the defendant, who is also alleged to hold 
them with notice of their invalidity, and without having 
parted with value for them. 
The objection to these interrogatories is, as stated in f'o- 
fendant's brief, that &quot;inasmuch as the bill only charges 
Macomb with holding uncertificated bonds, can the plaintiff 
have a discovery as to any other bonds?&quot; It is also objected 
that the plaintiff is not entitled to any discovery as to any 
bonds not held by the defendant Macomb, The interrog; •&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/39</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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brances was not, according to the general current of American 
authority, one that run with the land. It was a personal 
covenant by Bruner, creating a pereonal liability on his pari 
to the plaintiff; and it ia difficult to understand, conceding 
that there was a lien, because of the existence of the taxes 
against the land at the time that the property was mortgaged 
to the plaintiff, when those taxes were paid, no matter by 
whom, how that lien was a still subsisting lien against the 
land. The taxes were paid. The tax lien had ceased to exist 
because there were no taxes due. 
In order to sustain the claim of the plaintiff we must hold 
that he was subrogated to the right of the public, or that the 
lien which existed by virtue of the taxes became operative 
in his favoi-, because there was a liabihty by virtue of the 
warranty against Bruner; and that this claim operated as a 
lien upon the land, to whomsoever it might be transferred. I 
do not think that principle can be sustained. 
I do not understand that any of the authorities cited by 
the plaintifif's counsel maintain that doctrine. Undoubtedly 
they hold that, where there is a warranty against encum- 
brances, the grantee can pay off a tax where a breach of war- 
ranty arises in consequence of a tax, and thus discharge 
the encumbrance, and charge the amount paid to the grantor. 
It is also true that if these taxes had not been paid by any 
one they would still operate as a subsisting lien upon the 
land, and that in whomsoever hands the title might be he 
would have to pay off the taxes before he could be said to 
have a title free and clear from ail encumbrances. 
It would be the same, I appreliend, if, instead of being a 
lien for taxes, there had been an unsatisfied judgment against 
Bruner, which operated as a lien upon the land. If the plain- 
tiff had paid off the judgment, I do not understand how he 
couid make the lien of that judgment operate in his favor, 
because of the claim which he would have against his grantor 
for a breach of the warranty. The judgment having been 
paid, the lien against the land would cease to exist. And so 
I think that the defendant, having agreed to pay the mortgage 
debt which was due upon the land, but having made no agree-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/71</title>
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&quot;by means not constituting an assault mit a dangerona 
•weapon.&quot; But this is necessarily avoided, and, in effect, ren- 
dered null, by tiie very statement of the commission of the 
alleged offence, that the defendant attempted to commit mur- 
der by shooting Eoy with a loaded pistol. 
Whether a particular weapon is a deadly or dangerous one 
is generally a question of law. - Sometimes, owing to the 
equivocal character of the instrument — as a belaying pin — or 
the manner and circumstanees of its use, the question becomes 
one of law and fact, to be determined by the jury under the 
direction of the court. But where it is practicable for the 
court to declare a particular weapon dangerous or not, it is 
its duty to do so. A dangerous weapon is one likely to pro- 
duce death or great bodily injury. A loaded pistol is not 
only a dangerous but a deadly weapon. The prime purpose 
of its construction and use is to endanger and destroy life. 
This is a fact of sucb general notoriety that the court must 
take notice of it. U. S. v. Small, 2 Curt. 242 ; U. S. v. Wil- 
ton, 1 Bald. 99. It appears, then, from the indictment, not- 
withstanding the averment therein to the contrary, that the 
act alleged to be an attempt to commit murder was an 
assault with a dangerous weapon, and therefore not punish- 
able by the statute. 
The motion in arrest of judgment must be allowed, and the 
defendant discharged. 
By this ruling the defendant will escape punishment for 
what appears to have been an atrocious crime, but the court 
cannot inflict punishment where the law does not so provide. 
It is the duty of the legislature to correct the omission or 
defect in the law, and it is to be hoped that the resuit in this 
case will attract the attention of congress to the matter at an 
early day.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/73</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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late commerce among the several states ;&quot; also, of section 10, 
subdivision 2, of the same article, prohibiting the states from 
laying imposts or duties on imports. 
The statute of Nevada in question provides that &quot;every 
traveling merchant, agent, drummer or other person selling, 
or offering to sell, any goods, wares or merchandise of any 
kind, to be delivered at some future time, or carrying sam- 
ples and selling, or offering to sell, goods, wares or merchan- 
dise of any kind similar to such samples, to be delivered at 
some future time,&quot; shall obtain a license, and pay for such 
license $25 per month. It further provides that any person 
■without a license, &quot;so offering any goods, wares or merchan- 
dise for sale, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and on con- 
viction shall be fined in any sum not less than $50 nor more 
than $600.&quot; 
It is settled in the case of Woodruff v. ParKam, 8 Wall. 123, 
that the word &quot;imports, &quot; as used in subdivision 2, section 10, 
of article 1, of the Constitution, does not apply to goods brought 
from one state into another, but is limited to goods brought 
into the United States from some foreign country. The stat- 
ute of Nevada, therefore, does not violate that provision of 
the constitution. 
We think, also, that the same case and the foUowing case 
in the same volume (Hinson v. Lott, Id. 148) determine the 
other question raised, and that the statute of Nevada in ques- 
tion does not violate the constitutional provision conferring 
upon congress the power to regulate commerce among the 
states. Conceding, for the purpose of the decision, the 
license fees to be a tax upon the goods sold, there is no dis- 
crimination against the goods of other states in favor of the 
products of Nevada; but ail are taxed alike, and under those 
authorities where there is no discrimination the imposition 
of the tax is a legitimate exercise of the taxing power by the 
state. 
In Woodruff V. Parham, 8 Wall. 140, the court say: &quot;The 
case before us is a simple tax on sales of merchandise, im- 
posed alike upon aU sales made in Mobile, whether the sales be 
made by a citizen of Alabama or of another state, and whether&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/87</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ley, it would not have changed His opinion. He fonnd one 
sale, and evidence which inclined him to think that there 
might have been two or three more, and yet sustained the 
patent. I find myself differing from my eminent predecessor 
upon the effect of the evidence, and have had great doubts as 
to my duty. I have determined that, as new evidence bas 
been produced •which I must act upon, my action must be in 
accordance with my own views of its effect. I cannot under- 
stand the new evidence without opening the whole record, and 
I must act upon what I find in the old and new evidence 
together. 
In my opinion the evidence tends to show a sale of the 
invention. True, some sales were conditional; that is to say, 
the stoves were to be returned if they were not satisfactory 
to the buyers; but this does not, without further explanation, 
prove that they were experimental. It may show that the 
purchaser had doubts about the article, but does not prove 
any on the part of the seller. Sales in the usual course of 
business, whether absolute or conditional, if they are sales of 
the patented thing, work a forfeiture. A single sale has this 
effect, as well as a hundred sales. It is very unlikely that a 
buyer would take what he understood to be an experimental 
thing ; but if he did, the evidence should be unequivocal that 
a test of the invention was one of the purposes of the seller. 
This article could be tested by the inventer as well in his own 
house as in any other place ; and when he sold it in its com- 
pleted form, though with warranty or on condition, he sold it. 
Upon the facts, the stove appears to bave contained the 
invention, within the doctrine of Am. Tlide, etc., Go. v Am. 
Tool Co. 1 Holmes, 503, 513, in which Judge Shepley charged 
that the thing sold need not be perfect in the mechanical 
sense, but only in that it embodied the completed invention 
in a form which would be operative. Indeed, this stove 
appears to have been perfect in both senses, for it has been 
in suecessful use for about twenty-four years. 
Judge Shepley found that the sales in evidence before him 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/93</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Neither discovery nor invention -was necessary to do this. 
The defendants' witnesses, upon the defence of want of nov- 
elty, refer to several forms of corrugated iron previously 
used, and ail would fill the specification and claim made by 
the complainant. 
■ The fact that the iron, at the point of contact with the wood, 
is double in thickness, or that the nail holes at the joints may 
be made elongated in order not to interfere with the nails in 
case of expansion or contraction, lengthwise, of the corruga- 
tions, will not sustain the patent; nor will his manner of 
forming the joints Connecting the several sections of sheath- 
ing aid him. There is no novelty in the latter. 
The bi]l is dismissed, with costs. 
MuEEAT and others v. The Perry-Boàt P. B. Nimiok. 
(District Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. 1880.) 
ADMiBAiiTT— Seambn's Waoes— Rbv. 8t. ^ 4546 and 4547.— The pro- 
cedure authorized by sections 4546 and 4547 of the Revised Statutes, in 
relation to seamen's wages, is a summary and cumulative remedy given 
to seamen, which they may pursue at their option ; but they are not 
thereby deprived of the right in the flrst instance to the ordinary admi- 
ralty procesa against a vesael, upon a direct application to the court or 
judge. 
Admibaltt JnEiSDiCTioiî — Ferbï-Boat. — A steam ferry-boat, plying 
between two points on the opposite sides of the Ohio river, within the 
same state and county, is subject to admiralty jurisdiction. 
Knox e Reed, for libellants. 
Barton e Sons, for respondent. 
AcHEsoN, D. J. In this case Alonzo Murray presented in 
open court his libel for wages against the steamboat F. B. Nim- 
ick, wherein he alleges &quot;that the said steamboat is a vessel 
duly enroUed and licensed under the laws of the United States, 
in the office of the surveyor of customs for the port of Pitts- 
burgh, and has been engaged in navigating the Ohio river. &quot; 
The court ordered the libel to be filed and process to issue 
against the boat.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/95</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639382</id>
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The question intended to be raised by the first reason 
assigned, in support of the motion to dismiss the present 
libel, is whether the proceedings authorized by the statute are 
the exclusive remedy for a seaman suing the vessel for his 
wages, or can he, without resorting to thia preliminary nieas- 
ure, apply to the court, and upon such application obtain 
ordinary process in admiralty against the vessel ? ïhis ques- 
tion has not hitherto been raised in this court, although the 
records show a number of instances where the same course 
was pursued in suits in rem for wages, as in the present case. 
The question, however, has reoeived the careful consideration 
of district judges of learning and large experience in admiralty 
cases, -who have held that the remedy conferred by the statute 
is not exclusive, but cumulative; and that the right of the 
seaman to arrest the vessel is not dependent upon a previous 
resort to the statutory proceeding, but that it is optional with 
him whether to pursue the preliminary measure of summon- 
ing the master, or make direct application for admiralty pro- 
cess. The Ship William Jarvis, (per Sprague, J.,) Sprague'a 
Decisions, 485; The M.-W. Wright, (per Longycar, J.,) 1 
Brown's Ad. Eep. 290; The Waverly, (per Dyer, J.,) 7 Bissell, 
465. The first two of the above cited cases arose under the 
act of 1790; the latter, under sections 4546 and 4547 of the 
Bevised Statutes. These are well considered cases, and they 
adopt as applicable to remedies, under the maritime law, the 
well settled rule of construction that where a statute providea 
a new remedy it is cumulative, unless the statute expressly or 
by necessary implication takes away the common law remedy. 
Sedgwick on Cons. of Stat. and Com, Law, 75. 
In the foot note to the report of the case of The William 
Jarvis, supra, it is said that in many reported cases it seems 
that no such preliminary summons issued, e. g. The Martha, 
Bl. &amp; How. 156, and Judge Dyer says, (7 Bissell, 471:) &quot;It 
has long been the practioe of this court, and the praetice of 
the district courts of other districts, to treat these provisions 
as fumishing rather an optional and cumulative remedy, than 
one which excludes the seaman from the right or privilege,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/119</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639406</id>
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The libellant avers that credit was given to the vessel. The 
libellant, though examined as a witness, did not testify upon 
■whose oï what credit he relied. Under the circumstances, I 
think that the evidence shows that he did not rely upon the 
credit of the vessel, and that he bas no lien on her. It is 
unnecesisary, therefore, to consider the other questions that 
bave been raised. 
Libel dismissed, with costs. 
White and others v. Thb Stbameb Cynthia 
{District Court, E. D. New York. April 15, 1880.) 
Admikalty — LiBN OF Matebial-Mbn bt State Law. — W. &amp; Co., 
machinista and steam-fltters, did work upon -a stearaboat in Norfolk, 
Va., to the amount of $117. The boat was afterwards, and without 
paymeut of this bill, sold to parties in New York ; whereupon W. &amp; 
Co. filed a libel against her in the eastern district of New York for 
their bill. 
Eeld, that they were material-men, whose daim was a lien upon the 
vessel by the laws of the state of Virginia, and that such a lien is enforce- 
able in admiralty in the state of New York. 
Birdieye, Cloyes do Bayliss, for libellants. 
Beebe, Wilcox d Hobhs, for defendant. 
Benedict, d. J. The materials sued for do not, in my opin- 
ion, corne within the rule that has been applied to cases of 
building a vessel. The relation of the libellants was not that 
of builders, but of material-men. As such they acquired a 
lien upon the vessel for the value of the articles sued for, by 
virtue of the law of the state of Virginia, where the vessel then 
beionged, and where the contract was made. The Steamer 
Raleigh; 2 Hughes, 44. That lien, unless it has been lost by 
laches or waiver, may be enforced by this court. Neither 
laches nor waiver has been proved. The libellants are, there- 
fore, entitled to a decree for the amount of their bill, with 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/125</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and tear of the road during the time it was used by the 
lessee. 
The lease was not signed, but having been reduced to writ- 
ing, acted upon, and partly performed by both parties, it 
muBt be considered as binding as if signed. By its terms it 
was to continue in force during the life of the charter of the 
said Burlington &amp; Missouri Eiver Eailroad Company in Ne- 
braska, and this, it is claimed, made it a lease in perpetuity, 
Whether this be true or not, the stipulated term was for a 
long period. 
It is insisted on behalf of the receiver that the contract or 
lease was ultra vires, and void. By the Eevised Statutes of 
Nebraska, § 152, p. 204, it-is provided that &quot;any railroad 
Company * * * m^y mortgage or lease, sell or eon- 
vey, the whole or any part of its railroad situated within this 
state, and the rights, privileges, and franchises connected 
therewith, and other property pertaining thereto, to any per- 
son or persons, on such terms and conditions as may be 
agreed upon. * ♦ ♦ Provided, however, that no sale 
or purchase shall be made of a railroad situated within thi» 
state, of companies without this state, or consolidations ef- 
fected as provided in this act, until the terms of such sale or 
consolidation shall have been approved by a majority of the 
stockholders in interest, in person or by proxy,&quot; etc. It doe» 
not appear that the lease in question was approved by the 
stockholders, and it is therefore insisted that it is void under 
this proviso. It will be observed that the authority to lease 
is given in terms by the section quoted, while the proviso, 
in expressing the limitation upon that power, uses only the 
words &quot;sale,&quot; &quot;purchase,&quot; and &quot;consolidation,&quot; omitting the 
word &quot;lease.&quot; Unless, therefore, the contract in question 
amounted by its terms, upon a fair construction, to a sale by 
the Burlington &amp; Missouri Eiver Eailroad Company in Ne- 
braska &quot;of the whole or any part of its railroad,&quot; and the 
rights, privileges and franchises connected therewith, the lim- 
itation does not apply. 
The statute must be held to apply to the transaction in its 
essence. If a sale is made under the name of a lease or of a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/127</title>
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Pateiok V. Leach and othera. 
{Oireuti Court, D. Nebraska. May 7, 1880.) 
CovENANTS OF Warranty— Depencks.— In an action for breach of 
covenant of warranty, the defence that the covenunt sued upon wis a 
joint one, and that it was sued upon as several, can be mado undcr an 
answer denylng there is anything due. 
Dbbd^Statbmbnt of Consideuation. — The statement of the considera- 
tion in a deed ïb prima fade only, and may be rebutted. 
Bame—Estoppel— Waste.— One who bas given a deed of lands with 
covenants of wananty is estopped from denying that the grantee 13 the 
owner, and canhot complain of waste coinmitted by such grantee. 
Warranty — Covenant — Damages. — In an action for breach of covenant 
of warranty the measure of damages is the consideration money, with 
interest. 
J. M. Woolworth, for plaintiff. 
J. G. Corwin and John D. Hoive, for defendants. 
McCraey, C. j. Bill in equity seeking to recover judgment 
for damages of a covenant of warranty in a deed of real estate, 
and for an accounting, to the end that the sum recovered may 
be set off against a certain judgment held by defendant David 
Leach against plaintiff. 
Defendant asks leave to amend hia answer by alleging the 
foUowing f acts : 
First. That the warranty deed upon which plaintiff sues 
was not the deed of David Leach alone, but the joint deed of 
David Leach and Jane E. Leach, his wife. The latter is not 
joined. The original answer is in efïect a deniai of the right 
of plaintiff to recover, and it is not necessary for defendant 
to plead specially that the covenant of warranty was joint, 
and not joint and several. 
The plaintiff must make out his case, and the defence now 
Bought to be specially pleaded can be insisted upon under the 
pleadings as they stand. If the plaintiff is not entitled to 
recover on the covenants in the deed sued on, when he cornes 
to offer it in evidence that defence can be made. It is not 
necessary to consider now whether the husband can be sued 
alone upon a covenant of warranty contained in a deed exe-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/139</title>
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mensuration, with the mortgage before him, going, at the time 
it was executed, to the Grindstone creek, and examining the 
logs in the north fork, could ascertain accurately the specifie 
logs mortgaged, which is all that is required to make the mort- 
gage sufSciently definite and certain. 
There is some confiict in the evidence about the surround- 
ing facta and circumstances. It is claimed the agent of the 
mortgagee agreed to permit the mortgagors to drive the entire 
lot of logs totheir mill, and manufacture and sell them. The 
evidence, however, does not satisfy my mind that such was 
the understanding. 
If I am right m my construction of the mortgage, then, 
manifestly, so far as the executions are concerned, the sheriiï 
cannot hold the property by virtue of any rights of the judg- 
ment creditors as against the plaintiiï. The absolute right 
of possession of the mortgaged property belonged to the plain- 
tiff on default by the mortgagors, which was prior to the 
seizure, by the sheriff, upon the executions. Authorities are 
numerous. See Edson v. Newell, 14 Minn. 228, aud citations. 
Can the sheriff avail himself of the rights which the statute 
gives certain laborers to secure liens and preferences for serv- 
ices performed ? There is some doubt about the construction of 
the statute of Minnesota, and the nature of the prooeedings nec. 
essary to establish and perfect the lien given by it. It is not 
necessary, in determining this case, to consider the rights of 
claimants under this statute. If the claim is an equitable 
one, then, coneeding that the lien claimants, by serving notice 
upon the sheriff, did all that is necessary to preserve their 
liens under the statute, it cannot avail the sheriff to defeat 
the plaintiff's right to the property mortgaged. The money 
in the hands of the sheriff far exceeds the amount of plain- 
tiff's claim, and the overplus is more than enough to secure 
payment for the services of the workmen, who urge prior liens 
under the statute ; and, if it is admitted that these workmen 
have a first lien on all the logs eut, or lumber manufactured, 
includingthe logs mortgaged to the plaintiff, the lien not being 
upon any specifie portion, the rule prevails that where there 
are two funds to which ;he other lien claimants can resort,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/141</title>
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Nelson, D. J. The original suit was brought to set aside a 
deed executed by Julinah P. Atwater to John D. Seely, Jr., 
dated April 19, 1875. The bill contains a prayer, also, that 
certain real estate therein described be partitioned among the 
owners, or sold and the proceeds distributed according to the 
interest of the parties as alleged therein. A cross-bill is filed 
by the defendants, Seely and others, and affirmative relief 
prayed. The cases have been fully presented and argued 
upon the pleadings and proofs. 
The controversy involves the title to real estate claimed by 
the complainants in the original suit, as heirs at law of Jo- 
sephine Seely, and by the defendant John D. Seely, as the 
heir at law of her husband, John D. Seely, Jr. ; the other de- 
fendant, Norman G. Seely, being adminiatrator of his estate. 
The testimony is voluminous, and discloses a very bitter 
feeling on both sides. 
The foUowing facts are established by the proofs, and I so 
find : On August 12, 1873, John D. Seely, Jr., and Josephine, 
his wife, were in possession and seizedin fee of the north-west 
quarter of section fourteen, (14,) township one hundred and 
seven, (107,) range twenty-one (21) west, situatedinthecounty 
of Steele, Minnesota, and on that day, by warranty deed, they 
conveyed these premises to Julinah P. Atwater, a sister of 
Josephine Seely, for the consideration expressed in the deed 
of $6,000, when in fact no consideration was paid at the 
time of the conveyance, or ever has been, but the deed was 
executed and delivered from apprehension of a slander suit 
against John D. Seely, Jr., by one Prisley, and to prevent a 
lien of any judgment obtained in that suit. I also find that 
John D. Seely, Jr., made an attempt to create a secret trust 
for his benefit; and I further find that on October 14, 1873, 
Julinah P. Atwater, at , in the state of New York, by a 
quitclaim deed of the real estate above described, executed in 
accordance with the laws of the state of New York, conveyed 
the real estate in controversy to Josephine Seely, and the 
deed was delivered to and received by her, but was not so 
executed as to admit it to record according to the laws of 
Minnesota then existing, for the reason that there were no&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/155</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Same— Execution of Bond— Pbestjmption as to Action of Clerk. 
A bail-bond present in the record wasexecutedbefore a clerk, who wrote 
at the foot of it &quot; signed, sealed and acknowledged, and approved by,&quot; 
signing his name thereto. It did not appear from the bond or otherwise 
tliat the , defendant was brought before the clerk for examination and 
bail as a magistrate. The court was in session that daj. Held, that it 
would be presumed to have been taken by the clerk under the immedi- 
ate direction of the court. 
Same — Power to Tare — Ci.EnKs. — Courts have inherent power to take 
a recognizance. Clerks have such power onljr by virtue of statute. 
W. W. Murray, District Attorney, and John B. Clough, 
Assistant, for the United States. 
Emerson Etheridge and W. I. McFarland, for defendants. 
The case was submitted to the court upon the following 
agreed statement of facts : 
On June 19, 1876, E. L. D. Evans, the defendant, was 
twice indicted for passing counterfeit money. Nos. 1,313, 
1,314, On May 30 and 31, 1878, he was tried by jury in 
one case on a plea of not guilty, resulting in a mistrial. On 
May 31, 1878, after the jury were discharged and while the 
defendant was under bond for that (the May, 1878) term, 
and when no capais was outstanding for his arrest, nor any 
order for one entered, and when he was in court under said 
bond, the said defendant, with his counsel, in opeij court, 
(Judge Trigg presiding,) with his sureties, offered to enter 
into recognizances for his appearance at the following No. 
vember term, 1878, and was directed by the court to execute 
the bond before the clerk of said court, who at that time had 
not been appomted one of the commissioners of said court in 
addition to his appointment as clerk. In pursuance of the 
verbal direction of the court, the bond was executed in the 
clerk's office adjoining the court room, in each case. On 
January 20, 1879, judgment nisi was taken on the bonds, and 
on the same day scire fadas issued. The return of the mar- 
shal shows service on W. E. Evans only, the other two not 
being found. We agree to the above statement of facts, and 
agree that judgment may be pronounced as though an alias 
writ had been isBued and returned non est inventus as to the 
defendant E. L. D. Evans. We also agree that the defend-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/157</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and his sureties would, by such practice, be allowed to judge 
of the propriety and utility of his appearance, which cannot 
be pennitted. State v. Adanis, 3 Head. 259; State v. Rye, 
9 Yerg. 386; U. S. v. Reese, 4 Saw. 629; U. S. v. Stein, 13 
Blatchf. 127; State y.Stout, 6 Halst. 12e. 
The defence most relied on is that the clerk had no au^hor- 
ity to takethis bond, and, having no authority, the scirefacias 
must be quashed. It is argued that this scire facias must 
speak by the record, strictly pursue it, and show by it the 
validity of the bond; that it was taken by a competent officer, 
and all the jurisdictional facts to support his action; that by 
this record it appears that the clerk, as of his own authority, 
took this bail bond, because the minutes of the court do not 
show that he took it by order of the judge sitting either as 
an officer authorized to hold to bail, or as a court acting 
ûnder its general powers in the premiaes ; and that inasmuoh 
as the clerk is not named in the Eevised Statutes, §§ 1014, 
1015, as an officer authorized to hold to bail, the bond is void. 
In support of this position many authorities are cited show- 
ing how strict the practice was that the scire facias must be 
based on a record showing all the essential jurisdictional 
facts to support the validity of the proceedings and justify 
an award of execution. State v. Edwards, 4 Humph. 226; 
State V. Austin, Id. 213; State v. Cherry, Id. 232; State v. 
Smith, 2 Me. 62; Bridge v. Ford, 4 Mass. 641; People r. 
Kane, 4 Denio, 630; State v. Edgarton, 7 Rep. 122, (Boston, 
1879;) Foster's Soi, Fa. 279. 
It is to be observed, however, that in Tennessee, since the 
above cases, these niceties of practice have been abandoned 
by legislative direction. Act of 1852, c. 256, T. &amp; S. Code, 
§ 5155. By this section &quot;every bond or reeognizance deemed 
good and valid as a common-law bond shall be a good statu- 
tory bond, and no defence to any action, or scire facias, prose- 
cuted to enforce such bond or reeognizance, shall be availa- 
ble unless it would be a legal and valid defence to a suit at 
common lawupon the same.&quot; The federal courts are bound, 
in this matter of taking bail in criminal cases, by the state 
laws, by express command of the statutes. Eev. St. §^&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/167</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Beitton, Assignee, etc., ». Brewsxer and others. 
(District Court, 8. D. New York. April 28, 1880.) 
Feaud— Omission to Commotticatb Pacts.— Whether omission to com- 
municate a fact will be considered a fraud depends on the circumstances 
of the particular case and the relations of the parties. 
Samb — IrrsupFiciENT Evidence. — Evidence upon the question of frauda- 
ient representations considered and hdd insufHcient to prove fraud as 
alleged. 
Samb — Right to Keliep ok Other GEorwDS. — Where the fraud alleged 
in the bill as the sole ground of relief is not proven, a party Is not entitled 
to relief upon other grounds. 
In Equity. 
S. A. Bradley and T. M. Nortk, for complainant. 
J. K. Murray and J. E. Parsons, for defendants. 
Choate, D. j. This is a bill in equity, brought by the as- 
signee in bankruptcy of Theodore E. Baldwin and Edward W. 
Burr, who constituted the firm of Theodore E. Baldwin &amp; Co., to 
recover moneys alleged to have been fraudulently diverted 
from the assets of that firm to pay the individual debts of 
Baldwin, and also to recover a carriage fraudulently trans- 
ferred by Baldwin to the defendant Brewster, and to enjoin the 
proof of certain notes held by the defendants against the firm 
or Baldwin individually. The defendants are James B. Brews- 
ter and a manufacturing corporation, &quot; J. B. Brewster &amp; Co.,&quot; 
of which the defendant Brewster is the president and princi- 
pal stockholder. 
The bill alleges that the firm of Theodore E. Baldwin &amp; 
Co. was formed on the tenth day of August, 1870, and was 
adjudged bankrupt November 25, 1871, upon a creditor's 
petition, filed November 6, 1871; that Burrhad no knowledge 
or experience in the business, which was that of selling car- 
nages at No. 786 Broadway, New York; that from January 
1, 1860, to January 1, 1869, and again from March 1, 1869, 
to December 1, 1869, Baldwin and the defendant Brewster 
had been in partnership, carrying on a like business upon the 
same premises; that their business in 1869 had been largely 
unprofitable, their losses amounting to over $46,000; that&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/173</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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proved that the use of the copartnership assets &quot; to pay 
Brewster's debt was without the knowledge or consent of 
Burr, that the contrary expressly appears by the testimony 
of Burr himself, who was complainant's witness. 
Brewster's interest in having Burr join Baldwin, and fur- 
nish capital enough to do a successful business, was that 
Baldwin might be able to pay off his debt to him. This was 
perfectly well understood by all parties, and one of the in- 
ducements held out to Burr to come in was that if he did 
Brewster would give up $20,000 of his debt against Baldwin, 
upon the balance of it being promptly paid. Baldwin was 
to tum into the concern all his business assets, which were 
very valuable. 
Under the circumstances, which it is nnneeessary to detail 
more at large, it would be absurdly improbable that there 
should be any other expectation or understanding between the 
parties than that after the formation of the firm Baldwin 
should go on and reduce Brewster's debt down to the limit of 
$20,000 by using the funds of the firm. Burr himself, who 
is alleged to have been defrauded by this having been done, 
testiiied that he expected Brewster to be paid ont of the pro- 
ceeds of the sales of the stock of goods which by the forma- 
tion of the copartnership was to become its property. He 
says, indeed, that as between himself and Baldwin he under- 
stood such payments were to be charged to Baldwin, and not 
to the firm. In other words, while he admits that he under- 
stood that Baldwin was to be allowed to use the firm's funds 
to pay Brewster, the firm did not assume as its own Bald- 
win's debt to Brewster. This qualification is of no impor- 
tance. It simply affects a settlement of copartnership ac- 
counts between Baldwin and Burr. So far as Brewster's 
rightfal or wrongful receipt of the money goes Burr's testi- 
mony distinctly negatives the rJleged fraud of Brewster upon 
him or his firm in the receipt of these moneys. 
It is, however, urged that by the copartnership articles the 
debt to Brewster was not assumed, and the copartners were 
expressly prohibited from using the firm's funds to pay the 
debts of the individual partners. The suggestion bas no&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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Adams, Assignee, etc., v. Mbrchants' National Bank of 
Indianapolis. 
(Circuit Oovrt, D. Indiana. April, 1880.) 
Wa-rbhotish Recbipts— Indiana Statutb. — The provisions of the act 
of March 9, 1875, (1 Davis, 1876, p. 927, Ind.) making warehouse re- 
celpts negotiable, and an indorsement of such receipts a transfer of 
the property, helà not applicable to a transaction where a private 
warehouseman took ont a permit for his warehouse, in class B, and 
then Issued receipts for his own property stored therein. 
Plbdge — Warehousi; Receipts. — As againgt creditors, possession, act- 
ual or constructive, is essential to the validity of a pledge. Where  a 
private warehouseman issued receipta for his own property, in his own 
warehouse, and deliverod them as secunty for his indebtedness, Tield, 
that the person to whom they were so delivered acquired no title to the 
property described therein as against other creditors; and, in bankruptcy 
proceedings, was not entitled to any preference. 
Bankrtiptcy — Assignee. — An assignee in bankruptcy represents ail the 
creditors, and as such may contest transfers binding upon the bankrupt. 
Samb — Pbefbrhed Ceeditor — Unlawful Oontbact. — The fact that a 
bankrupt received money or property upon an unlawful contra'ct, under 
which a crediter seeks a preference, which property went to iacrease 
the estate, will not render such contract valid. 
Petition in review of order of the district court. 
McMaster e Boice and Judah e Caldwell, for assignee. 
R. 0. Hawkim and Dailey e PickeriU, for defendants. 
Dbummond, C. J. In the fall of 1877, Van Camp &amp; Son were 
engaged in business at Indianapolis, in buying and selling 
apples and other produce, and in the manufacture and putting 
up of meats, fruits, etc. They had a storehouse at Indian- 
apolis, where they kept articles which they wished to hold 
for better priees. At that time they applied to the bank for 
a loan of $2,000. The bank agreed to make the loan upon 
the execution of a note by the bankrupts, with certain sure- 
ties, and on the condition that they would couvert their 
storehouse into a public warehouse of class &quot;B, &quot; by taking 
out a permit therefor under the statute, and would place the 
800 barrels of apples, for the purchase of which they made the 
loan, in the warehouse, issuing warehouse receipts therefor&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/201</title>
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were entitled, including that based on the want of juriadio- 
tion. 
I think this proceeding clearly estops the corporation from 
taking the ground that the judgments are an absolute nuUity 
in any collateral proceeding. The application could not have 
been withdrawn without leave of the court so as to reinstate 
the defendant in the position it was in, with respect to the 
judgment, before the application was made. It was not with- 
drawn before the bankruptcy. It was afterwards proceeded 
with to the knowledge and with the apparent concurrence of 
the assignees, and resulted in the validity of the judgments 
being established by the decision of the court. It is not nec- 
essary, however, to impute any particular efiBcacy to what was 
done after the petition in bankruptcy was filed. The corpo- 
ration was already bound by its election of remedies. If the 
judgments might have been treated as absolutely void, by 
reason of the fraud, for want of jurisdiction, it had a right 
to elect between treating them so and going into the court in 
which they were rendered as a party defendant therein, and 
submitting itself to its jurisdiction, and obtaining such relief 
as it was entitled to there. It chose the latter course, and 
its assignee is bound by its election. 
Tbus far it bas been assumed that the fraud is proved. 
I am not satisfied, however, that the notes were given to Mrs. 
Penny, as claimed, shortly before the suits were brought, and 
for the purpose of enabling her to bring'the actions in the 
marine court. The notes themselves bave nothing on their 
face to indieate that they were made long after their date. 
They are written upon blanks in use by the company at the time 
of their dates respectively, and not in use at the time the 
suits were brought. Mrs. Penny's testimony is positive that 
they were given at or about their dates. It is a point on 
which ehe eannot be mistaken. I have examined with care 
the testimony of this witness and of the other witnesses, 
and while there are certainly some inconsistenoies in her 
statements, and on some points she is seriously contradicted, 
I have not been able to reaoh the conclusion, to which the 
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ever had the right under the certificate to a perfect title to 
the land from the state. 
The contention on the part of the wife is that by virtue of 
the act of 1875 her right became eonsummated, the property 
having been sold under a judicial sale, and that is the ques- 
tion involved in the case. I think, under the general law of 
this state, that she is entitled to one-third of the interest 
which her husband had in this property at the time of thia 
judicial sale, precisely as though he had died. And in this 
respect I differ from the district judge. 
What does the language mean ? &quot;In ail cases of judicial 
sales of real property in which any married woman has an 
inchoate interest by virtue of her marriage.&quot; The district 
court thdught the term &quot;inchoate&quot; was one applicable to a 
case where the husband had an absolute title, a complete 
seizin, in the land, and that it did not apply to a case where 
there was merely an equitable interest, because in the one 
case the right of the wife could not be divested without her 
consent, and in the other it was in the power of the husband 
at any time to deprive her of her right ; the language of the 
statute being express that she is only vested with the right to 
an equitable estate which her husband may own at the time 
of his death. But I am inclined to think the term is applica- 
• ble to both kinds of estate — as well to the equitable interest as 
to the absolute interest in fee simple. Does it cease to be an 
inchoate interest simply because the husband has the power 
of disposition over the land ? I think not. It seems to me 
that where a married man has an equitable interest merely 
in land, that under the general law of this state, and within 
the meaning of this particular statute, it may be truly said 
that the wife has an inchoate interest in the land by virtue of 
her marriage, because if the husband retains that interest up 
to the time of his death the inchoate right becomes eonsum- 
mated. The only qualification is that he can deprive her of 
the right by disposing of the land. 
Now, the statute of 1875 intended to place the rights of 
married women upon the same footing, in case of a judicial 
sale, as if the husband had died. An inchoate interest meana&lt;noinclude&gt;
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according' to my invention, the body will be equally as strong 
as, if not stronger, (with the same amount of material,) than 
a table made the old way, by the convergence of the aides, /, 
as they descend, the legs, d, are brought further under the 
table, and more eut of the way of the player's feet. The con- 
struction of sùch a table as herein shown and described is no 
more expensive than one with the vertical aides, and may be 
Drnamented and elaborated to the same extent that other 
tables can be, while at the same time the inclination or obliq- 
uity given to the aides, and the consequent location of the 
legs further under the table, give to the whole machine or 
contrivance a lighter and more beautiful appearance. 
&quot;It will be understood that the angle of inclination of the 
sides, /, may be varied somewhat from the position or incli- 
nation shown, without departing from the spirit of my inven- 
tion, the gist of which rests in the idea of having the planes 
of the broad rails, /, so inclined or bevelled under as to per- 
mit the placement of the player's leg and foot as I have 
explained, and so combined and arranged with the bed and 
cushion raUs of the table as to afford the most effectuai and 
permanent support of the bed by the said broad rails. I am 
aware, as I have already remarked, that previoua to my in- 
vention what are commonly known as French tables have 
been made and ùsed ; but my invention should not be con- 
founded with any such construction of table, which differs 
materially from my improved billiard table in these esaential 
and material particulars, among others, viz.: 
&quot;First. In the French (or ogee) tables the sides of the body, 
or thoae parts corresponding to what are called in American 
tables the broad rails, were so combined and arranged with 
the cushion rail and bed that the lower portions of the body 
(that part on about a level with the bended knee of the 
player) were not located any further under the table, and out 
of the way of the player, than were the lower portions of the 
bodies of the old-fa8hioned,vertical-aided American tables. 
&quot;Second. On the French tablea the curved form, or the ogee 
ahape of the body, rendered the cost of the construction so 
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cushion rails ; d, the legs ; and e, the cushions ; all of which 
are made about as usual, except that the main frame is made 
80 that the aides of the body of the table run under or flare 
at about an angle of 30 or 40 degrees, as shown at /. The 
inclined sides, /, it will be seen, are perfect planes, so that 
the expense of getting ont the stuff and putting together, and 
the yeneering, is no more than in the manufacture of the 
vertical sided tables now generalxy made. The inclined or 
flared sides, /, may be ornamented, panelled, etc., to any 
desired extent. By reference to the figure drawn at figure 2 
it will be seen that the player can so extend his leg under the 
table, when made as shown, as to enable him to reach further 
over the bed, which is a great convenience, and enables the 
player to easily reach many shots, which, on the table as now 
made, have to be played with the bridge.&quot; 
The claim is in these words : &quot;The design for billiard tables, 
as herein shown and described.&quot; 
The specifie defence set up in the answer, in connection 
with the design patent, i^ that the invention patented by the 
mechanical patent was described in the design patent before 
it was invented by the plaintiff. What exact defence is 
intended by this statement it is diffieult to see. In argument 
it is contended for the defendant that, as the mechanical 
patent was issued December 23, 1873, more than two years 
after the issuing of the design patent, which was issued June 
6, 1871, the mechanical patent is void because the original 
mechanical patent describes and claims the same thing which 
is described in the design patent. The application for the 
mechanical patent was filed January 16, 1872. The statu- 
tory defence allowed by section 61 of the act of July 8, 1870, 
(16 U. S. St. at Large, § 208, now § 4920 of the Kevised 
Statutes,) is that the thing patented &quot;had been in public use 
or on sale in this country for more than two years before the 
patentee's application for a patent, or had been abandoned 
to the public.&quot; No such defence is set up in the answer, nor 
is any such defence proved by the evidence. The fact that 
the original mechanical patent was issued more than two 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/222</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and different features or not. The legal presumption is always 
in favor of the re-issue, and that it is for the same invention 
as the original; and the defendant not fumishing the court 
with the means and opportunity of deciding the question by 
a comparison of the two, it must be held that this branch of 
the defence has failed, and that the complainant is entitled to 
hold, and to carry back to the respective dates of the original 
patents, all that the re-issues claim. 
This may have an important bearing upon that part of the 
defence, which relates to the priority of invention by other 
patentees; for, not including the distinct! ve claims of the 
complainant's patent No. 162,886, all his other patents an- 
ticipate inventions which are subsequent to the month of 
July, 1869. 
1. As to the infringement. The essential parts of the pat- 
ents of the complainant, when embodied and combined in a 
working machine for knitting, show a needle cylinder, in com- 
bination with a eylinder carrying cams, which actuate the 
needles, and a sliding ring to which the yarn carrier is se- 
cured, together with a ring clasp for keeping the needles in 
position. A machine (Bxhibit E) was put in evidence which 
was constructed in accordance with the claims of his several 
patents. It consisted of a stationary needle cylinder, grooved 
to hold the needles in a vertical position. Around this was 
a rotary cylinder, with a portion of its periphery formed with 
a projection, on which the heels of the needles rested. To 
this cylinder were attached the actuating cams, which oper- 
ated on the heels or butts of the needles, and which accom- 
plished the knitting by the alternate elevation and depression 
of the needles. 
The defendant also brought in machines (Nos. 2e and 25) 
to show what he was manufacturing and selling. Being re- 
quested by his counsel to point out in what respects they dif- 
fered from the Bickford machine, he replied that in No. 24, 
instead of the swing cam, he used a curved piece of metal, 
secured to the cylinder, the ends of which projected above the 
needle rest ; and that in No. 25 he used the swing cam siu»- 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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impressed upon certain divers prints of small balloons, with 
printing for embroidery and cutting Unes, to the number of 34 
of said balloons, and for which said defendants had net ob- 
tained a copyright, and which had not and have not been copy- 
righted, the foUowing words: 'Copyrighted 1878, by Drey- 
f uss &amp; Sachs, No. 7577,' and against the form of the statute, 
and with intent to deceive the public and evade the statute, 
whereby and by virtue of the statute the said defendants have 
f orf eited and become liable to pay to -the plaintiff the sum of 
$3,400 penalties, etc.; being $100 for each of said 34 viola- 
tions aforesaid of said statute,&quot; etc. Then foUows an aver- 
ment of a demand and refusai, and prayer for judgment in 
the sum of $3,400. 
The second complaint is in similar form, for impressing or 
causing to be impressed the same words on &quot;prints of large 
balloons, with printing on them for embroidery and cutting 
lines,&quot; to the number of 95 &quot;of said balloons,&quot; and prays judg- 
ment in $9,500 penalties. 
The third complaint is in six counts, each of which is in 
similar form, for a penalty of $100, for impressing said words 
on &quot;a certain print of large balloon, with printing thereon for 
cutting lines,&quot; and prays judgment for $600 penalties. 
The fourth complaint is similar in form, charging the im- 
pression of the same words upon &quot;prints of hanging baskets, 
with printing for embroidery and cutting lines,&quot; to the num- 
ber of six of &quot;said hanging baskets,&quot; and prays judgment for 
$(500 penalties. 
To the first, second and fourth complaints, and to each 
count in the third complaint, the defendant has demurred on 
the ground &quot;that it does not state facts sufficient to constitute 
a cause of action.&quot; 
Upon the argument of the demurrers the defendant has 
contended that an informer is entitled to recover but one penal- 
ty, of $100, for ail violations of law prior to the commencement 
of his suit ; and, also, that Rev. St. § 4963, is unconstitutional. 
It is unnecessary, however, to determine these questions as the 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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place and stead to commence, prosecute, compromise, settle, 
release, conclude and enforce, by suit at law or in equity, any 
infringements of the nights secured to him, said Spofford, &quot; by 
said patent, by the defendant — all such suits to bebrought in the 
name and at the cost of saidGoldsmith; that Spofïord thereby 
expresely covenanted and agreed that he wonld not do, in 
respect to the defendant, any of the acts which he thereby 
authorized Goldsmith to do ; that Goldsmith is the sole law- 
ful person to bring the bill, as to the interest in the patent 
vested in Spolïord; that Hoffman and Spofïord will receive 
large profits from the patent if infringement by the defend- 
ant be prevented. It prays for a discovery of profits and of 
damages. The bill is demurred to beeause Spofford is not 
made a party, and beeause Goldsmith is made a party. 
It is provided by section 4919 of the Eevised Statutes that 
&quot;damages for the infringement of any patent may be recov- 
ered by action on the case in the name of the party interested, 
either as patentee, assignee, or grantee.&quot; Jurisdiction is 
given to the circuit courts, by section 629, of all suits in law 
or in equity arising under the patent laws. It is provided by 
section 4921 that, upon a decree being rendered in any case 
for an infringement, the complainant shall be entitled to 
recover, &quot;in addition to the profits to be accounted for by 
the defendant, the damages the complainant bas sustained 
thereby. &quot; 
The clear purport of these provisions is that the party in 
interest must bring the suit, whether at law or in equity, in 
bis own name, and cannot delegate the right to another per- 
son to bring the suit in the name of such other person, when 
the suit is not for the beneôt in any way of such other per- 
son. It is a question of public policy. The defendant bas a 
right to require that the real owner or party in interest shall 
be in court, so that the court may exercise a control over him, 
in the course of the suit, if necessary, to require him to do 
something which the rights of the defendant may require to 
be done. Goldsmith has no control as to the patent, or any- 
thing to be done under it, except to bring suits in respect of 
Spofford's interest.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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In regard to the presence of the libellant in the between- 
decks, the evidence shows that he was net there by the mere 
sufferance or license of the ship-owner, but for the purpose 
of performing a service that could not be performed elsewhere, 
and in which the ship-owner had an interest. To be sure, the 
libellant was not directly employed by the ship-owner, and it 
may be truly said that no relation by contract existed between 
the ship-owner and the libellant. But the libellant was trim- 
ing the ship-owner's ship. He was doing what was necessary 
to be done to enable the ship to carry the cargo in safety, and 
the reason why he was so employed was because the ship- 
owner had, by a contract with the charterer, indirectly pro- 
vided for the performance of this service. 
There was a relation between the ship-owner and the libel- 
lant arising, not out of the mere presence of the libellant on 
board the ship, but out of the service he was then engaged 
in performing, the necessity of that service to the ship-owner, 
and the circumstances of the libellant's employment toperform 
that service. The libelant had, therefore, a right to be where 
he was; and it folio ws that there was a duty on the part of 
the owner to see to it that the dunnage and plank stowed 
above him were so secured as to prevent its falling upon him 
of its own weight. Nicholson v. The Erie R. 41 N. Y. 533. 
The libellant's case differa from the case of the Germania, 
to which reference bas already been made. In the case of the 
Germania a charterer of the ship had contracted to deliver to 
the ship a cargo of grain in bags. The libellant was employed 
by the charterer to sew up the bags of grain as they were filled, 
and while walking over the deck of the ship fell through an 
open hatchway and was injured. In that case it was not 
necessary that the bags be sewed on board the vessel, or 
indeed to be sewed at ail except to enable the charterer to per- 
form his contract to deliver the grain in bags. In this case 
the grain could not be carried unless it was trimmed on the 
ship, and the libellant was injured while engaged in perform- 
ing that service. This libellant was, in a very proper sense, 
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)t the boat, was in charge of the engine; he was killed by th&amp; 
explosion ; he went on duty at 6 o'clock that evening. Mark 
Davis was fireman on duty at the same time. 
John Sherman was second engineer, and was relieved by 
Moultrie at 6 o'clock. When Moultrie relieved him he told 
Sherman that when the latter came on watch again that night 
he should keep a strict lookout for everything, and to be sure 
to keep his eyes on the pump and to see that it continued to 
work. 
At the time of the explosion, Moultrie, the engineer, was 
in his UBual position, in f ull view of the glass and water-gauges. 
The explosion was preceded by a humming or whistling 
noise, and water and ashes came from under the port boiler 
and were blown forward. 
The testimony touching the character of Moultrie, the en- 
gineer on duty when the explosion took place, was conflicting ; 
some of the witnesses spoke of him as a sober, careful and 
competent engineer, and very faithful and attentive to his 
duties. One witness, however, stated that about two weeks 
before the explosion he saw him on the wharf at Savannah, 
while the boat was getting up steam, so drunk as to be unfit 
to run an engine in any steamer, The witness said he spoke 
to Mr. Benson, the agent of the boat, about the condition of 
Moultrie at that time, and Mr. Benson said the company in- 
tended to get rid of him as soon as possible. 
The evidence showed that the boilers and machinery of the 
boat were in good order and repair just before the explosion. 
The boilers had been repaired and inspected in August pre- 
ceding, and a short time before the trip on which the explo- 
sion occurred had been cleaned out, and were apparently 
Sound and good. The pump was a good one, and had never 
been known to fail. 
There was a glass water-gauge, and there were water-cocks 
for ascertaining the quantity of water in the boilers. The 
evidence showed that it was necessary to try the water-cocks, 
as well as to examine the glass water-gauge, in order to 
ascertain the height of the water in the boilers; that it waa&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/265</title>
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slackened between the seas in consequence of the force of wind 
and sea. Whether the line was slackened from any other 
cause does not satisfactorily appear. As to the distance 
west from the end of the south pier when they turned to corne 
in witnesses do not agree, and this fact does not seem to us 
at all controUing. 
The evidence establishes, in our opinion, that there would 
have been no difficulty in bringing the tow in safely had the 
Bchooner carried no part of her mainsail, and the question of 
liability appears to us to turn upon whether the tug or the 
schooner is responsible for so much after sail being carried 
from the time when the turn was made to corne in. 
The tow was from 120 to 180 feet in the rear of the tug. 
It was in the night, and in our opinion, unless the tug had 
assumed to take entire control and direction of the vessel, it 
was the latter's fault if she had up part of her mainsail. To 
apply Buch rule is to do no more than to require of the cap- 
tain of the schooner the exercise of that measure of care and 
skill which is incumbent on the tow. The Margaret, 94 U. S. 
496; The Margaret, 5 Bissell, 357. In the latter case it is 
said there are certain duties incumbent on those who have the 
management of the tow. It is the duty of the tow to be 
steered properly ; to foUow in the wake of the tug, and to per- 
form all those duties which nautîcal skill demands in order 
to properly manage the tow. 
It is manif est that if the tow, at a critical point, when about 
to enter the harbor, carries such sail as to take her out of the 
control of the towing craft, either as to her headway or course, 
the tug should not be held at fault for any disaster that en- 
Bues. 
We entertain the opinion that the libel should be dismissed, 
and deoree accordingly, with costs to claimant.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/269</title>
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contract price and the market price. His losg was $486.78. 
The evidence on this subject appears in the testimony of 
Joseph Nixon, at page 67 et seq., and of John F. Kelling, at 
page 146 et seq. It does not appear that there was any 
market for coal at New Cumberland, or that the libellant could 
have done anything to avert or lessen the loss. 
The respondents insist that they ought not to be charged 
with this loss.' But why not ? Upon what just principle can 
it be thrown upon the libellant ? His loss was neither re- 
mote, speculative nor uncertain. It was an actual loss, and 
the direct resuit of the collision. If the rule of indemnity or 
compensation is to prevail, the damages decreed to the libel- 
lant should embrace the loss he sustained on his coal. It 
has been held that the owner of the injured vessel may re- 
cover for freight lost by reason of the collision. The Atlas, 
3 Otto, 307, And in Van Tine v. The Lake, 2 Wall. Jr. 62, 
there was an allowance for loss of profits to the vessel during 
the time she was being repaired. Was the libellant's loss on 
his coal any less direct or certain than sueh loss of profits, or 
a loss of freight earnings ? I am of opinion that the second 
item of the libellant's claim is well founded and should be 
allowed. 
Third. But the item as set down in the bill of particulara 
— &quot;loss on trip, $612.49&quot; — stands on a different footing. This 
estimate is made by the libellant upon a comparison of the 
net earnings of the hoat upon a prior and subsequent trip. 
His opinion as to this supposed loss is no doubt an honest one. 
But his own witness, J. W. Clarke, in answer to a question as 
to the probable profits of that trip, said : &quot;It is a pretty hard 
thing to figure that thing up. If she made a steady trip she 
wouldn't make very much.&quot; Page 187. If it be conceded 
that such loss of profits would be allowable in a proper case, 
the claim as here presented, it se.ems to me, is not satisfac- 
torily established. It rests largely upon mere conjecture. 
Moreover, after the interruption of llj days, the trip was 
resumed and completed. 
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It was admîtted that the master or owner mîght hiiuBelf 
procure a homeward charter if he could, and would not then 
be bound to pay a commission to any one; or, if he pleased 
and could find another broker who would act for him, he 
might employ another broker without incurring any liability 
to the consignee. 
It was, therefore, only a probability of employment and 
consequent compensation which the respondents would have 
acquired by having the vessel consigned to them, with the 
certainty that the business of entering her on her arrivai and 
such other service as they might perf orm while she was under 
the existing charter they would have to perform gratuitously. 
In the case of Phillips v. Briard, 1 H. &amp; N. 21, the stipula- 
tion in the outward charter-party was, &quot;the ship to be con- 
signed to charterer's agents in China free of commission on 
this charter;&quot; language precisely similar in effect to the stip- 
ulation in the present case. The offer was to prove a usage 
by which consignees under such a stipulation were entitled to 
procure a homeward cargo for the ship and to charge the 
usual commission on the freight whether they procured it or 
not, provided they were prevented from procuring it by the 
owner or master procuring it himself or otherwise than through 
their agency. 
But the court held that this usage was not admissible as 
against such a stipulation, as it would be adding to the plain 
language of the charter-party another and a different allega- 
tion, and would be in effect saying that because the vessel 
was consigned to the charterer's agents &quot;free of commission&quot; 
on the outward voyage, they were to be entitled to a commis- 
sion on the homeward cargo, whether they were employed to 
procure it or not, which would be not explaining but adding 
to the written contract. 
Now, if there could be no recovery under the present stipu- 
lation — supposing the owner to have actually consigned the 
ship to the ship-brokers, and then to have, immediately on 
her arrivai, put her into the hands of another , broker — it is 
difficult to see what positive and certain damage could arise 
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pearance was ever entered in behalf of these libellants. If 
these libellants desired to be heard in regard to the funds re- 
maining to the credit of that cause, an appearance in behalf 
of the libellants should have been entered therein, in which 
case they would have been entitled to notice of the ,order com- 
plained of. In the absence of such an appearance, the record 
in that cause wholly failed to give information that the libel- 
lants claimed to have any interest in the fund, and they can- 
not now be permitted to assert that want of a formai notice 
entitles them to ask to have the order set aside as irregular, 
or to require a return of the fund, which that order directed to 
be transferred to the credit of other causes, and which has 
been distributed in those actions. 
The motion must tberefore be denied.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Nebraska. At the time that judgment was rendered Nuck- 
olls, the defendant therein, was seized in fee of the premises, 
and the judgment was therefore a lien upon the same. Sub- 
sequently to the rendition of said judgment W. P. Kellogg, 
under whom the plaintiflf claims, became the owner of the 
land, subjeot to the incumbrance, and desiring to pay off the 
judgment and remove the encumbrance he applied to one 
Meredith, who was the attorney of record for the judgment 
plaintiff, and paid to him the amount of the judgment, includ- 
ing interest and ail costs, except about six dollars due as 
clerk's costs, which latter was due to defendant Chandler, who 
■was clerk of said state court when the proceedings resulting 
in said judgment were had. Meredith gave Kellogg a receipt 
in full for the amount of the judgment, interest and costs. 
There is a conflict between Kellogg and Meredith as to the 
question how, and by whom, the clerk's costs were to be paid; 
Kellogg saying that Meredith promised to pay them, and 
Meredith insisting that Kellogg agreed to do so. The clerk to 
whom the costs were due (defendant Chandler) had gone out of 
office and was not then in Nebraska- When he subsequently 
returned and learned that Meredith had receipted in full for 
the judgment and costs, he called upon him and demanded his 
costs, which, not being paidj he applied to his successorin the 
clerk's office andprocured the issuance of an execution therefor, 
under which the land in question was sold and bought in by 
Chandler. The sale was afterwards confirmed by said district 
court, by which it is claimed that certain grave irregularities 
were cured. A deed was made by the sheriff to Chandler, 
■who afterwards conveyed to defendant Paxton. Pive years 
after the judgment Kellogg moved to set aside the sale. The 
motion was overruled, but upon what ground does not appear. 
1. It is insisted that the matters complained of by the 
plaintiff were finally adjudicated in the state court by the order 
confirming the sale and the subsequent order overruling the 
motion to set the sale aside. This renders it necessary for ua 
to determine what is the effect of an order of confirmation in 
such cases. The rule that where a court bas jurisdiction of a 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/321</title>
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which she became entitled under said will, and gave to said 
execuIjorB an indemnity bond against any claim which my 
said wife, or her heirs, or next of kin might make against 
them, pending her attaining her majority, and the makiiig of 
the foregoing release for them ; and I do for myself, etc., upon 
the redelivery to me ot said bond, etc., release, acquit and 
discharge the said executors of and from ail claim and demand 
whatsoever, which I now have or bave had against them, etc., 
or against or ont of the estate of the said Samuel Knapp.&quot; 
On the third day of March, 1875, the bankrupt conveyed 
to one Friend Hoar, for a nominal consideration of $10,000, 
the real estate which had been conveyed to him by the exec- 
utors, excepting certain lots previously sold off. The same 
day Hoar conveyed the same promises to Mrs. Corse for a 
nominal consideration of $10,000, subject to two mortgages, 
one dated January 3, 1868, for $4,000, and the other dated 
August 2, 1869, for $3,000, both mortgages being executed 
by Corse and his wife, and which she assumed in the deed 
from Hoar to her. The property was at the same time, to- 
getherwiththeadjoining property, which had been purehased 
by Corse to improve the brick-yards, subject to a mortgage for 
$6,000, executed by Corse and his wife, not mentioned in the 
deed. This last-uamed mortgage has been foreclosed, and 
Mrs. Corse's equity in the property has been thereby extin- 
guished. But in her account she gives the bankrupt credit 
for $10,000 on account of the transfer to her of this property. 
He was at that time embarrassed, and she undertook, for a 
few months after the transfer, to oarry on the business, her 
husband acting as her agent. 
The bankrupt and his wife both testify that at the time 
the release to the executors was executed, in the year 1868, 
an agreement between them was drawn up by Judge Suffern, 
county judge of Ulster county, respecting the property which 
Mr. Corse had received on her account, which agreement was 
destroyed by fire when their bouse was burned. 
Mrs. Corse is unable to state the contents of the paper, fur- 
ther than that it was an agreement to repay the moneys 
received by him as a loan. Mr. Corse testified that it was to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/329</title>
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estates. By later decisions this point is clearly established. 
It is clear, therefore, from these àuthorities, that for this 
wrongful use of these trust funds by the partnership the part- 
nership and its members have become chargeable, and that a 
joint and several claim was thereby created against the joint 
and several estates. 
Can an administratrix de bonis non sustain suoh proofs ? It 
is certainly for the interest of all concerned in the York estate, 
■whether as creditors, legatees, heirs, or sureties on his admin- 
istrator's bond given by Jordan to the judge of probate, that 
these proofs should be sustained, if possible, in behalf of the 
administratrix de borda, so that the fund may pass under her 
control and be administered according to law as part of the 
assets of the estate ; and, after some deliberation, I am satis- 
fiod that it may be so donc. 
By the law of this state, (Eev. St. c. 72, § 15,) the judge of 
probate may expressly authorize any party interested to com- 
mence a suit on a probate bond for the benefit of the estate, 
and the judgment and execution, by section 17, are recovered 
by the judge of probate in trust for all parties interested in 
the penalty of 'the bond, and he shall require the delinquent 
administrator to account for the amount of the same, if still 
in office ; but if not, he shall assign it to the rightful admin- 
istrator, to be coUected and the avails thereof accounted for 
and distributed, or otherwise disposed of, as assets. This 
statute bas so far changed the common law, as declared by 
the supreme court of the United States in 16 Wallace, {Bull v. 
New Mexico,) that that decision is no longer applicable in this 
state. As the law now is, not only the funds belonging to 
the estate in the hands of the administrator at his death or 
removal are assets which go to the new administrator, but all 
sums recovered from him and his bondsmen for breach of his 
duty as administrator are to be received by the new adminis- 
trator and treated as assets. 
Any dif&amp;culty which might otherwise arise from a want of 
privity between the old administrator and the new is thus 
obviated, and by a reasonable construction of this statute it 
foUows that in a proceeding of this nature the new adminis-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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defendant should do this at the New York office, either himself 
or by the employment of clerks. The defendant says in his 
testimony that the clerks are paid by the government. This 
is doubtless true, in practical effect, so far as he isconcerned; 
still, it is to be presumed that the business is done according 
to the law, and he probably did not intend to testify that it 
was in any respect done contrary to the law. The lawis that 
the postmaster general may allow to.the postmaster at New 
York city, and to certain others, ont of the surplus revenues 
of theirrespective offices — that is to say, the excess of box rents 
and commissions over and above the salary assigned to the 
office — a reasonable sum for the necesssary cost, among other 
things, of clerks, to be adjusted on a satisfactory exhibit of the 
facts. Eev. St. § 3860. 
The defendent is, therefore, to be taken to have made this 
saving out of moneys actually received into his hands from 
the profits of his office. He saved it by using the invention 
in the performance of duties which he was required to do, 
and bad just so much more money left in his hands by 
reason of the infringement when the duties were done. He 
did this as postmaster, but he was not obliged to do it. . He 
could have refused the office, or resigned it, or have let this 
invention alone. He was not subject to any restraint, phys- 
ical or moral, that he could not make subservient to his own 
choice, His choiee was to use this invention and make this 
gain. When made it belonged to the orator. He paid it 
over to the government, and it passed beyond his reach and 
the orator's, unless it is recovered in this suit and reim- 
bursed to him under the law. He bas not these profits now, 
and would not have them if he had cast the money into the 
sea ; he bas had them as he would have had them then. The 
situation of the defendant is very different from that of the 
city of Elizabeth, in FÀizahetk v. Pavement Co. 97 U. S. 
126. The city had not saved or made anything by the in- 
fringement, and was not liable for profits in any view, 
whethei^any one else was or not, and never had been. Here 
the defendant bas paid over to the government what belonged&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/361</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Charles F. Blake, for plaintiflf. 
Edwards. Phelps, Walter G. Dimton and Aldaee F. W'alker, 
for defendants. 
Wheeleb, D. J. These causes haye been heard upon mo- 
tions of the plaintiff for attachments for contempt for viola- 
tion of the injunctions therein. The patent on whioh the 
Buits are brought has been sustained for a continuously 
revolving and progressive boring head, anned -with dia- 
monds for cutting rock, having a hollow central drill-rod, 
tbrough -which water is carried to the cutting diamonds, com- 
bined and forming a part of a machine to be suitably con- 
Btructed for imparting the motion. The injunction restrains 
the use of machines made in the infringement of the patent 
during its term, which has now expired. The defendants 
are using machines made during the term of the patent, ■which 
carry boring heads and drill-rods made since the patent 
expired, according to its specifications. The patented de- 
vices are themselves a machine to be operated by other 
machinery, Connecting them with propelling power not de- 
Bcrihed in the patent. 
The claims of the patent do not cover, nor show any attempt 
to cover, any combination of these cutting devices with the 
propelling machinery. A patent for a combination of new 
elements with old may secure the new elements by them- 
selves as well as the combination. Sellera v. DicJànson, 6 
Eng. Law &amp; Eq. 64e; Union Svbgar Refinery v. Matthieson, 
2 Fisher, 601. This is as mueh as any patentee of such a 
patent is entitled to hold. Prouty v. Buggles, 16 Pet. 336. 
Here the other machinery is neither an element of the com- 
bination patented, nor an element patented by itself, and 
is not drawn into the monopoly at ail. It infringed upon 
no right secured by the patent to make and use that during 
the term. That is not machinery made in infringement of 
the patent, although it was made to infringe the patent with. 
As the deviees made according to the patent have been both 
made and combined since the expiration of the patent, the 
defendants are not shown to be using anything made in in- 
fringement of the patent.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/427</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639747</id>
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Missouri was a contract governed by the laws of Illinois or 
Missouri, and it was held to be an Illinois contract, and gov- 
erned by the law of that state. The court say: &quot;The con- 
tract to pay the biU was a different contract from that of 
aeceptance.&quot; 
The paroi promise, being valid by the law of Illinois, was 
valid everywhere. This was ail it was necessary to decide ; and 
while the statement of the general principles of the law rela- 
tive to contracts made in one state to be perf ormed in another 
is entitled to great respect, from the high authority of the 
court from which it was enunciated, it is not controlling upon 
the present question, and will be found quite inadequate in 
its application to a great variety of cases which present ques- 
tions of the conflict of laws. So far as the validity of a con- 
tract depends upon the formalities requisite to its binding 
force, the general rule expressed by the text writers is that 
the test depends upon the law of the place where the contract 
is made. Westlake, art. 175. An illustration is the case of 
an unstamped contract, made in a country where a stamp is 
required. Even in this case the authorities conflict, and 
Judge Story says it might be different if the contract were 
payable in another country, where no stamp is required. See 
Story Confl. of Laws, § 260, and notes. Wharton, (Conflict of 
Laws, §^401,) states the general rule thus: &quot;Obligations, in 
respect to their modes of solemnization, are subject to the 
locus regit actum.&quot; The validity of a contract may depend 
upon the capacity of the parties, or the forms of authentica- 
tion, or the nature of the consideration ; and it certainly cannot 
be accepted as an universal criterion that the validity or 
invalidity of a contract is to be determined by the law of the 
place where the contract is made. 
As respects the capacity of parties the law of domicile may 
dominate the law of the place of the contract when rights of 
person as distinct from rights of property are concerned, 
(see 2 Parsons on. Cont. 572, 574, and notes, 5th Ed. ;) and, 
as respects the consideration matter, a contract may be invalid 
by the law of the place of the making, because prohibited by 
the local law, and jet be valid when to be performed in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/435</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639755</id>
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eau have no influence here, and her case must stand or fall 
hy the inflexible rules whioh, while they may be harsh in the 
particular case, are, nevertheless, the universal test. 
The fact that marriages between persona so related are so 
commonly prohibited by legislation in those communitiea 
wbich are among the most advanced in moral and intellect- 
ual progress, must be deemed high evidence of the generally 
prevailing sentiment on the subject. Whether this senti- 
ment finds its origin in the mandate of divine law or the 
belief that such unions are a violation of the physical laws of 
nature, or in the conviction that to tolerate such alliances 
■would impair the peace of families and lead to domestic 
licentiousness, its existence must be acknowledged, and traced 
to some or all of these sources. 
The statutes of Henry VIII., prohibiting such marriages, 
are but a re-afSrmation of the Levitical law. Regina v. Chad- 
wick, 12 Eng. Jurist, 174. While the Levitical law is not 
binding as a rule of municipal obedience, it bas been judi- 
cially declared to be a moral prohibition, and as such bind- 
ing upon all mankind, (Harrison v. Buswell, 2 Vent. 9,) and 
is now incorporated into the statutes of England by the acts 
of 5 and 6 William IV., c. 54. In Illinois it is held that such 
a marriage &quot;is prohibited by the laws of God,&quot; within the 
meaning of a statute of that state, Bonham v. Badgley, 2 
Gilman, 622. In Parker' s Appeal, 44 Penn. St. 309-312, the 
court, while holding that such a marriage was not void under 
the laws of Pennsylvania, took occasion to say: &quot;We cannot 
refrain from stating that such connections are destructive of 
good morala, and should be frowned upon by the eommu- 
nity.&quot; 
Between what degrees of consanguinity the line is to be 
found, which determines what marriages are unobjectionable 
and what are not to be tolerated, it is not necessary to decide; 
but the better opinion would seem to be that marriages should 
not be sanctioned in any nearer degree than that of cousins- 
german, A marriage between uncle and niece, or nephew and 
aunt, would certainly shoek the sentiment of any enlightened 
community, and this, in the absence of any other test of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/465</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639788</id>
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plea, have duly presented the same to the court, or otherwîse 
he would be debarred from asserting it. This was not done 
by him. The defence of want of jurisdiction under such cir- 
cumstances is purely technical, and the bankrupt bas chosen 
not to present it and insist upon it. Creditors of the bank- 
rupt are in no respect damnified by the conduct of the bank- 
rupt. Whatever their rights may have been they are still in 
full force, and nothing has transpired which can in any way 
injure any one of the creditors. It is said very often in the 
books that an assignee in bankruptcy is not estopped by fraud 
of the bankrupt, but by this ia understood a fraud which in 
some way may prove detrimental to the rights of creditors. 
The circuit court has prescribed its rules as to the methods 
and times at which objections to its jurisdiction must be pre- 
sented for determination, and if, upon the record as it stands, 
the court has jurisdiction, and the defendant does not, within 
the rules, make manifest his objection, he will be forever 
estopped from availing himself of it ; and so, likewise, will be 
ail other parties who are in privity with such defendant. 
If a party has in apt words duly averred his citizenship, in 
an action instituted by him in the circuit court, and the 
defendant at the proper time fails to controvert it, the ques- 
tion of citizenship is no longer open to inquiry, either on the 
part of the defendant or any one claiming under him, smi 
according to well-settled principles his assignee in bankruptcj 
cannot be heard to deny such citizenship of the plaintiff. 
The case is clearly within the rule hereinbefore stated, as 
taken from the opinion of the supreme court in Yeapman v. 
Savings Institution. 
If the court is willing to accept the allegations and assume 
jurisdiction, and hear and determine the cause, all the fraud 
which has been perpetrated has been practiced upon the court, 
and in the present case, in the opinion of the court, each 
party has been alike involved in it. The court has thus been 
induced to act and assume a jurisdiction which it should not 
have been called upon to do, but the judgment itself is en- 
tirely valid, and the rights of the parties cannot be said to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/487</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Same— MiLL — Building becoming Unoccupied. — A condition in an 
Insurance policy upon a mill providing that the insurance shall be void 
if the premises become unoccupied, refers to something more than a 
mere temporary suspension of work in the mill; and Tvhere, insuchi case, 
work had been stopped for flve days, the mill, in the meantime, heing 
used for the storage and delivery of goods requiring daily visita by one 
or t&gt;To persons, held, that the policy waa not void. 
Action at law to recover for a loss by fire of the lead works 
and other property of the plaintiff corporation. The policy 
was dated May 26, 1875, and was renewed from year to year; 
the fire occurred May 2, 1878. The jury havingfound a ver- 
dict for the plaintiefs for $3,838.81, a new trial was moved 
for on the law and the facts. The facts material to the mo- 
tion were as follows : 
Mr. Eobbins, an insurance broker in New York, was applied 
to in 1873 by one of the directors of the company to procure 
insurance upon their property, and went to Dighton, in Mas- 
Baehusetts, where the works were situated, examined the 
premises, and made such inquiries as he thought fit of one of 
the persons employed there. On his return to New York he 
drew out in ink a sketch of the building which he had made 
on the spot, and wrote at the bottom a statement of certain 
facts connected with the risk in these words : &quot;Building two 
stories high; first story brick, second story f rame ; roof, shin- 
gles laid in mortar. No fire in the building except under the 
boiler and lead fumace. Lighted with minerai sperm oil. 
Watchman day and night. Water runs all the time. Tanka 
filled with water, with hose covering the floor below ; 50 fire 
buckets. On second floor, ores, di-ying pans ; all the settling 
tanks, filled with water; 13 tanks — hold 1,000 gallons each. 
Second floor, storage. The nearest building to the works is a 
email store-house, 40 feet distant ; no other building within 85 
feet. Lead ground in oil and water. Nothing used in the 
works of an explosive nature.&quot; 
He procured insurance in 1873, but not with the defend- 
ants. When he applied to the defendants for insurance, in 
1875, he carried this paper in his hand, and answered ques- 
tions about the risk in part from the paper and in part from 
memory. The piesident of the defendant company said he&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/497</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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These bave been produced and put into the case, and they do 
not provide that the goods shall so remain the property of the 
defendant. On this evidence it is found that the goods put 
into or brought into the business became the property of the 
firm and belonged to the partners respectively in proportion 
to their respective interests. 
They continued in partnership until February 8, 1877. 
Their partnership property then inventoried at $5,824.35. 
By agreement the defendant took out $800 in amount of the 
goods, and sold his interest in the residue to Flack for $500 
in cash, and his notes of $500 each for the balance, to be- 
come due in six, twelve, eighteen and twenty-four months. 
Mack's $1,500 had remained in all the while. The defendant 
had put in goods and drawn out money in amounts not defi- 
nitely stated, and it is difficult to determine how much he 
had in at that time. Upwards of $400 of the inventory rep- 
resented accounts and fixtures which he did not buy. In 
view of the priee he sold at, $3,000 must be a liberal allowance 
for his share of the remaining $4,500, and a little over. On 
the whole it is found that his interest in what Flack had of 
the firm was $3,000, and Flack's $1,500, so that he owned 
two-thirds and Flack one. The sale was a conditional one, 
such as the laws of the state recognized, and provided that 
the goods were to remain the property of the defendant until 
the notes should be paid, and that all goods purchased in 
place of those sold should be substituted for them in the title 
of the defendant. 
Flack continued the business until into October, 1877, sold 
old goods, bought new, some for cash and some on credit, 
paid the defendant the note which fell due in that time, but 
did not pay his other creditors, and became badly insolvent. 
The defendant leamed of his condition, and, to save himself, 
bought the stock of goods and fixtures then on hand at about 
$460 more than his debt, paid $400 in checks, and about 
$60 in money, delivered up the notes, and took the goods 
away. Within less, than two months a petition in bank- 
ruptoy was filed against Flack, upon which he was adjudged 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/511</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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for any defeet or imperfection in matter of form only, which 
shall net tend to the prejudice of the defendant ; that is, if 
the defeet is one of form, and the indietment is not so defect- 
ive in form as to be likely to prejudice the defendant, the 
defeet may be disregarded, or perhaps amended. 
It is Bomewhat difficult to say what is form, and what is 
substance, in an indietment. A niee critic might insist that 
form is substance in criminal pleading, but the statute ia 
intended to have some operation, and I have been disposed 
to give it a liberal construction. I bave held that a partic- 
ular intent, which made an act a crime by the words of a 
statute, is part of the substance. On the other hand, mere 
mistakes, however serious, in expressing the substance of a 
crime, if the meaning can be understood, I look upon as 
formai. 
By this rule I hold that the allegations of time in this 
indietment, one of which is repugnant to the other, amounts 
to a formai defeet or imperfection; it being set out inform- 
ally, but with no danger of mistake, that the defendant is 
accused of wilfully and fraudulently concealing from his 
assignee property ^hich he should have given up to him for 
the use of the oreditora. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/513</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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to her swamp lands, and to secure the claim of the coimty 
on the United States for such of her swamp lands as have 
been sold by the general government, or located with warrants, 
and has, so far, been unsuccessf ul ; and, whereas, by the 
recent decisions and rulings of the commissioner of the gen- 
erai land office, the swamp-land interest and claim of said 
county is involved in great jeopardy and will require expend- 
itures in costs, expenses and efforts, in order to secure it: 
Now, therefore, said county hereby agrees to put its swamp- 
land interest and claim into the hands of the party of the 
second part for prosecution, settlement and collection as fully 
as the same exist, whether for lands, scrip or cash. The 
county also agrees to furnish the records and papers in its 
possession to the party of the second part to aid said work. 
&quot;The county also agrees to nominate and appoint such 
agents as the party of the second part may desire to select or 
reselect said lands, if necessary, and to make the indemnity 
proofs, and also to nominate to the governor such persons as 
the party of the second part may request for special agent, 
under the thirteenth section of the act of the general assembly 
of the state of Iowa, entitled ' An act to autborize the governor 
and board of county supervisors to appoint agents in regard 
to swamp lands belonging to the state of Iowa, and to define 
their duties,' approved April 8, 1862; such agent to give the 
bail by law required, and to deliver the proceeds to the board 
of supervisors as required by said thirteenth section of said act. 
&quot;The party of the second part take said interest and claim 
for said purpose, and agree to prosecute the same thoroughly 
and with dispatch ; to make such selections and proofs as may 
be necessary, so far as practicable; to retain such counsel 
and help as may be necessary to pass said claim at Wash- 
ington; to close up and finish the business at the earliest 
practicable time; and to pay all the expenses of all such 
agencies and of doing said business at Washington and else- 
where, so that said county shall have nothing to pay, what- 
ever, if nothing is obtained out of said interest or claim ; and 
in case any lands, scrip or money, or ail, are obtained, then, 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/525</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Alfred C. Coxe, for plaintiff. 
H. L. Comstock, for defendant. 
Blatchford, c. J. Tins suit was tried before the court 
without a jury. It is brought to recover the amount payable 
by 218 coupons' on bonds issued by the town of Potter, in 
Yates county, New York, a municipal corporation of the 
state of New York, in aid of the construction of the Geneva 
&amp; Southwestern Eailway Company. Of these coupons 109 
fell due March 1, 1879, and 109 September 1, 1879. Of 
each set of 109, 90 belonged to bonds of $100 each, and were 
for $3.50, and 19 belonged to bonds of $1,000 each, and were 
for $35 each. The total amount of the 218 coupons is 
$1,960. The total amount of bonds issued by the town in 
aid of the railroad was $30,000. The commissioners who 
issued the bonds delivered them to the railroad company in 
payment of a subscription by the town for $30,000 of the 
capital stock of the company, and the town received a certifi- 
cate for that amount of such stock, and bas retained it ever 
since. The bonds were dated September 1, 1873, and were 
issued shortly after November 6, 1872, and were payable in 
30 years from date, and had on them when issued coupons 
payable every six months from and including March 1, 1873, 
to and including September 1, 1902. The town paid the 
coupons which fell due before March 1, 1879. The plaintif! 
is a bona Jcde holder for value of the coupons sued on. The 
bonds are in this form : 
&quot;United States of America, State of New York. No. 3. $100. 
Town of Potter, county of Yates. The town of Potter, in the 
county of Yates and state of New York, acknowledges itself 
indebted to the bearer in the sum of one hundred dollars, 
which sum said town promises to pay to the holder hereof 
at the county treasurer's office of Yates county, in Penn Yan, 
N. Y., thirty years after the date hereof, and also interest at 
the rate of seven per cent, per annum thereon, payable semi- 
annually on the first days of March and September, in each 
year, until the said principal sum shall be paid, on the pres- 
entation of the annexed intca-est warrants at the county treas- 
urer's office of Yates county, in Peim Yan, N. Y.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/549</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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EvoET and others v. L. Candeb &amp; Co. 
{Circuit Court, B. Connecticut. May 8, 1880.) 
Patent— Impbovbmbnt est 8hobs — Gokb Flape — iNFEtNaByEirr. 
C. Wyllys Betts and Benjamin F. Thurston, for plaintiffs. 
Charles F, Blake, for defendants. 
Shipman, D. J. This is a bill in equity to restrain the 
alleged infringement of letters patent granted to Evory &amp; 
Heston, on November 6, 1866, for an improvement in shoes. 
The National Eubber Company is an exclusive licensee to use 
the patent in the manufacture of rubber boots and shoes. 
The invention consisted in a double extension gore fiap upon 
each side of the shoe, the external fold of which flap is at- 
tached to and in front of the quarter, and the internai fold of 
which is attached to and in rear of the vamp. The gores are 
folded outside of the shoe proper, and forward over the in- 
step, so that the ankle and the foot are enclosed by the shoe 
proper. The claim is as follows : &quot;A shoe, when constructed 
■with an expansion gore flap, C, D, the external fold, C, of 
•which is attached to and in front of the quarter, B, and the 
internai fold, D, of which is attached to and in rear of the 
vamp, A ; the said several parts and pieces being respectively 
constructed, and the whole arranged for use, substantially in 
the manner and for the purpose set forth.&quot; 
The material point of difference between this shoe and the 
one shown in the English patent of Stephen Norris consists 
in the fact that the Norris gore folda within the shoe, while 
the gores of the plaintiffs' patent fold outside the shoe. If 
the gore of the English shoe is made of stiff leather, there is 
a sliff crease on each side of the shoe which hurts the foot. 
If the gore is made of thin and pliable leather, the folds are 
apt to wrinkle and to become easily displaced when the shoe 
is worn. The plaintiff's shoe avoids both difficulties. The 
noveltyof the patented device is not denied. The Norris and 
the defendants' shoes are described in the opinion in the case 
of Williams and The National Eubber Company v. L. Candee e&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/567</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639906</id>
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Amount of daims as admitted hy the bankrupt 
against him, as per schedules filed, - $71,584.30 
Amount of claims or debts proven before the 
register, .... 43,984.12 
Debts increased by proof of larger amoants than 
set forth in bankrupt's schedule, as assumed 
in the argument on both sides, - - 8,281.39 
— which, added to the aggregate scheduled debts of $71,- 
584.30, $8,281.39— $79,865.69— being the total liability as 
principal debtor of the bankrupt, without regard to the time 
the debts were contracted. 
One-third in value, $79,866.69, - - $26,621.89 
The amount of the claims of the creditors, who 
have assented to the bankrupt's discharge, 
$24,667.60, which, deducted from $26,621.89, 
leaves a deficiency of $1,954,29, - - $26,621.89 
24,667.60 
$ 1,954,29 
Prior to June, 1874, 60 per cent, of proven claims was nec- 
essary for the discharge of the bankrupt without the assent 
of his creditors, and if the bankrupt had no assets, or not the 
required amount, he must have had a majority in number 
and in value of his creditors who had proven their claims. 
The law as it then stood was in these words: &quot;Section 
5112. In ail proceedings in bankruptcy commenced after the 
first day of January, 1869, no discharge shall be granted to a 
debtor whose assets shall not be equal to 50 per centum of 
the claims proved against his estate upon which he shall be 
liable as the principal debtor, unless the assent, in writing, 
of a majority in number and value of his creditors to whom 
he shall have become liable as principal debtor, and who shall 
have proved their claims, is filed in the case, at or before the 
time of the hearing of the application for discharge ; but this 
provision shall not apply to those debts from which the bank- 
rupt seeks a discharge which were contracted prior to the 
first day of January, 1869.&quot; 
Section 9 of the act of June 22, 1874, (18 U. S. Statutes,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/581</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639920</id>
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made, and is more than such configuration as these creases 
make, which has no effect except upon the appearance of the 
material before or when not in use. The defendants infringe 
by the use of these bands, as well as by the use of the plain 
ones. 
Let a decree be entered establishing the validity of the 
patent, and the infringement of the defendants, and for an 
injunction, and an account aecordingly, with costs. 
PeEFBOTION WiNDOW ClBANBB Co. V. BOSLEY. 
(Gireuit Court, N. D. Minois. , 1880.) 
Patent — Dbvice Patentable. — A deviue which. is raerely the resuit of 
mechanical akill is not patentable. 
Bamb — Samb — RuBBEB WiNDOW Clbaners. — A device for cleaning Win- 
dows, consisting of a handle or holder, with an elastic or rubber strip 
attached to one edge, with a tubular rubber bearing or support therefor, 
embodies nothing but mechanical skiU and is not patentable. 
Munday e Evarts, for complainant. 
Mr. Paine and Mr. Bonney, for defendant. 
Dyer, D. J. This is a bill to restrain the infringement, by 
the defendant, of letters patent granted to William C. Gayton, 
dated April 9, 1878, and re-issued September 3, 1878, for an 
improvement in window cleaners. The important question 
in the case relates to the patentability of the aUeged invention. 
It is alleged that the defendant infringes all of the first four 
daims as they are stated in the re-issued patent. Those 
claims are described as follows : First, an improved window 
cleaner, consisting of a handle or holder, an elastic rubbing 
strip attached by one edge to said holder, and a bearing or 
support for said strip near its outer edge, said parts being 
combined substantially as described; second, the holder hav- 
ing its back extended and lying underneath the projecting 
strip, jointly with the bearing or support located thereonand' 
the rubbing strip, substantially as described; third, the com- 
bination with the holder of the elastic rubbing strip and a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/597</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>639936</id>
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stantially altered because the wheel had been hove up, the 
fessel not yet having paid off. The danger of continuing 
under the port wheel was that it involved the necessity of 
Crossing the bow of the other vessel again, and her distance 
was a matter of great unoertainty. 
The mate himself testifies that he could not judge of her 
distance when he first saw the light; she might have been a 
mile and a-half or three-quarters. He could not say that 
ehe was more than a mile off. Of course, in the night-time, 
with nothing but the appearance of the light to determine 
distance, that element in the problem is very uncertain. 
And the movement resolved upon by the mate required a 
considerable space for its safe execution. His vessel must 
come around and cross the bows of the other at a safe dis- 
tance from her. Meanwhile both vessels would be covering the 
space between them at a combined speed, as the wind was of 
about a mile in five minutes. 
The mate, though questioned on the subject, was wholly 
unable to say in what time his vessel would fall off four 
points, which is the amount it is claimed she did fall off be- 
fore he judged that he was clear of the other vessel and gave 
the order to steady. Nor could he say at what distance his 
vessel would run in falling off four points under a hard a-port 
wheel. While, however, the movement attempted must be 
held to have been an errer, yet it is claimed that it was suc- 
cessfully accomplished ; that the Star of Scotia came around 
under her hard-aport wheel till she crossed the bow of the 
Sansego, and brought the red light of the Sansego at a safe 
distance on her port bow, and then, the two vessels being 
ôlear of each other, the Star of Scotia steadied, and the col- 
lision happened from the Sansego changing her course to 
leeward, and running across the bows of the Star of Scotia. 
If this is true, the earlier mistake did not cause the collision. 
It is, I think, fully established by the evidence that the Star 
of Scotia did bring the red light of the Sansego on her port 
bow. It was positively sworn to by so many witnesses on 
the Star of Scotia, as being seen on the port bow after the 
green light- disappeared, that this point may be considered&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/675</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and not continuing, if the îndictment charges that the de- 
fendant did the criminal act on a day which it mentions, 
and, in general terms, on divers other days, without speoify- 
ing the others, the latter clause, being in itselr an insujjicient 
allegation of time, may be rejected us surplusago. Tlius, 
where the averment was that the defendants, to use the 
words of the report, on 'such a day, et diversis aliis diebus et 
vicibus tam antea quam postea, keep a common gaming house,' 
this was held to be a good allegation of keeping the house on 
the one day mentioned. True, in this particular case, more 
days might have been laid, but the time is so uncertain as to 
ail but one day that only forty shillings are recoverable. 
Where an indicfcment sets out that the defendant sold liquors, 
without license, on a day which it mentioned, and at divers 
times between this day and the finding of the bill, it is suf- 
ficient, because the inadequate allegations of other days may be 
rejected as surplusage. But, where a count in an indictment 
alleged that the defendant committed the crime on the twen- 
tieth day of September, in a year specified, and on divers 
other days and times between that day and the ninth day of 
December, in a subsequent year specified, it was held to bo 
insufficient. Here there were at least two distinct days ade- 
quately set out, and, whatever might be said of the rest, cer- 
tainly the allegations of neither of these could be rejected aa 
Burplusage.&quot; 
Here we have a test upon this question. And, certainly, it 
cannot be said that the offence which is eharged in the In- 
dictment under consideration is in its nature continuing. Thô 
offence is one which may be committed to-day and as dis- 
tinctly committed to-morrow, and the act of to-morrow may 
bave no connection with that of to-day ; and as this count 
does not merely describe one offence, and by inadequate alle- 
gation state in part another, so that the latter allegation may 
be treated as surplusage, but does charge in adequate terms 
distinct offenoes committed on distinct days, I must, within 
the principles stated, hold this count bad for duplicity. 
The motion to quash as to the second and third counts will 
be overruled, and as to the first will be sustained.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/703</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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nevr, and, as a resuit, we have a superior mill, cliaracterized 
by simplicity of construction and the facility with which its 
several parts may be set up; and, when finished, compact, 
convenient and durable. 
The merits of the invention were quickly perceived by the 
public, The box mills in the general market prior to the 
introduction of the Strobridge mill had the hopper above the 
top of the box. Immediately upon the appearance of the com- 
plainant's mill it met with great popular favor and obtained 
a ready sale. It was accepted and adopted by the trade and 
went into general use. The Charles Parker Company, of Mer- 
iden, Connecticut, and the Peck, Stow &amp; Wilcox Company, of 
Southington, Connecticut, soon took lioenses from the com- 
plainant, and these companies — both large manufacturera of 
coffee-mills — respectively make under the patent the mills 
known in this case as &quot;Exhibit Charles Parker Mill&quot; and 
&quot;Exhibit Peck, Stow &amp; Wilcox.&quot;- 
Nelson H. Camp, agent for the Charles Parker Company, 
teetifles: &quot;Shortly after we commenced selling these mills 
[Charles Parker millj in the market we received notice that 
we were infringing the said Strobridge patent, and, upon inves- 
tigation, concluded it was so, and took out a license to manu- 
facture under the patent which they granted us under a roy- 
aity ; and from that day to the present we have manufactured 
them very largely. The sale of these mills has been very 
large as compared with ail other mills we manufacture.&quot; 
Webster L. Walkley testifies: &quot;I have sold some mills, 
similarto 'Exhibit Strobridge,' manufactured by the Charles 
Parker Co., and more manufactured by the Peck, Stow &amp; 
Wilcox Co. * * • From the first introduction of these 
mills they met with unparalleled success, and the trade who 
had been purchasing the raised hopper mills, about the coi'- 
responding size and price, to a very large degree substituted 
in their place, these sunken hopper mills. So that I should 
say that the sale of the ordinary raised hopper mill, as sold 
previous to the introduction of these mills, must have fallen 
oflF, in the aggregate, about one-half.&quot; 
The letters patent themselvesj?nma/ade establish that the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/709</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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these circumstances it does not corne within the provisions of 
the statute denying costs, and no reason is apparent why 
costs should not be allowed as if nothing iiad been donc about 
a disclaimer. 
Let a decree be entered for an injunction and an account, 
accordingly, with costs. 
Williams v. Thë Rome, Watertown &amp; Ogdensburgh 
R. Co. 
(Circuit Court, N. D. New York. May 21, 1880.) 
Patent — Inebingement — Compxttation of fbofits. 
Ëdmwid Wetmore, for plaintiff. 
West 6f Bond, for defendant. 
Blatchford, C. J. In this case it was held (15 Blatchf. 
C. C. R. 201,) that the plaintiff's patent was valid, and that 
the defendant had infringed it. The patent is for an &quot;im- 
provement in locomotive lamps.&quot; The object of the invention, 
as stated in the specification, is &quot;to permit coal oil or kero- 
sene to be used in lamps for locomotive head-lights with suc- 
cess, and to obtain full advantage of its great light-produc- 
ing capacity.&quot; The patent contains 11 claims. Each claim 
is a claim to a combination of certain instrumentalities or 
members. There are eight of such members. The specifica- 
tion States that the patentee does not daim to be the original 
inventor of any one of such individual members, but that, al- 
though they had been used before his invention, such use was 
in combinations substantially different from those devised by 
him. 
The defendant had used three forms of head-lights, one of 
which infringed five of the claims, one four of the claims, and 
one all of the claims. The court found that the plaintiff's 
lamp was the first one which successfully burned kerosene 
oil in a locomotive head-light; and that his lamp had super- 
seded those previously in use, and was used on nearly all the 
railroads in the United States, An account of profits and an&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/731</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>640336</id>
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terms of the maritime law in this respect, and from the 
principle which pervades its enactments, to giye a lien upon 
the vessel to a claim of the character of the one now under 
consideration. It in no respects merits such privileges any 
more than do the services of any other class of laborers in 
any work conneeted with the business of the ship. It does 
not seem to differ from a transportation of the cargo from 
one place to another on the land, and the cartman who hauls 
off the lading and facilitates the discharge of the vessel aids 
her in the same manner as the laborer who raises the cargo 
from the hold.&quot; 
The learned judge also found in that case an additional 
reason for denying the lien : that the services were in fact 
not performed upon the credit of the vessel, but upon the 
Personal credit of the master. 
In The Bark Joseph Cunard, Ole. 123, (1845), Judge Betts 
adhered to this ruling and denied the lien of the stevedores, 
and, as within the same principle, rejected the claim of light- 
ermen -who took the cargo from the shore to the ship while 
lying in the port of Mobile. The vessel was under a charter 
which relieved the ship as between her and the charterers 
from the expense of loading the vessel. This circumstance, 
however, does not seem to form the ground of the decision. 
Eeferring to these two charges for stevedores and lighterage, 
Judge Betts says : &quot;It is an employment outside of the vessel, 
not contributing to her capabilities or security in navigation, 
or serviceable to her voyage. There is no difference in prin- 
ciple whether the cargo is brought to her side in the stream, 
or placed near her on a wharf. The ship is responsible for 
disbursements necessary to equip and put her in a condition 
(by men, provisions, etc.) to perform her voyage; but it 
would be giving a novel extension to the notion and range of 
tacit liens to subject her to ail claims collateral and incidental 
to her dispatch. A cargo is no more than an incident to a 
voyage, and in no sense necessary to enable the ship to per- 
form one. Debts arising out of such collateral services or 
engagements may be chargeable upon the owner personally, 
as resting upon bis implied contracts; but the ship is not&lt;noinclude&gt;
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•property right, and not a mere privilege or immunity ofcitîzenshîp. 
94 U. S. 395. The right of citizens of Virginia to fish in the 
public waters of the state, therefore, is a property right vested 
in the citizen by reason of his local citizenship and as one of 
the common owners, and not a mere general privilege; and 
the title to the property being in the public — in the state — it 
was held that the state might exclude all others than citizens, 
the common owners, from enjoying the right. The court 
further says: &quot;The right thus granted is not a privilege or 
immunity of general but special citizenship. It does not 
'belong of right to the citizens of all froe governments,' but 
only to the citizens of Virginia, on account of the peouliar 
circumstances in which they are placed. They, and they 
alone, owned the property to be sold or used ; and they alone 
had the power to dispose of it as they saw fit. They owned 
it, not by virtue of citizenship merely, but of citizenship and 
domicile united — that is to say, by yirtue of a citizenship 
confined to that particular locality.&quot; Id. 396. 
Citizens of other states having no property right which 
entitles them to fish against the will of the state, a fortiori, 
the alien, from whatever country he may come, has none 
whatever in the waters or the fisheries of the state, Like 
other privileges he enjoys as an alien by permission of the 
state, he can only enjoy so much as the state vouchsafes to 
yield to him as a special privilege. To him it is not a prop- 
erty right, but, in the strictest sense, a privilege or favor. To 
exclude the Ohinaman from fishing in the waters of the state, 
therefore, while the Germans, Italians, Englishmen, and Irish- 
men, who otherwise stand upon the same footing, are per- 
mitted to fish ad libitum, without priee, charge, let, or hinder- 
ance, is to prevent him from enjoying the same privileges as 
are &quot;enjoyed by the citizens or subjects of the most favored 
nation;&quot; and to punish him criminally for fishing in the 
waters of the state, while all aliens of the Caucasian race are 
permitted to fish freely in the same waters with impunity 
and without restraint, and exempt from all punishments, is to 
exclude him from enjoying the same immunities and exemp- 
tions &quot;as are enjoyed by the citizens or subjects of the most&lt;noinclude&gt;
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instruct Mr. Lomax that he bas nothing to do with Mr. Grin- 
nell's aocounts. What is open, as I understand, of Mr. Grin- 
neU's case, is simply Lis own exception to the last report of 
the master. Why it bas not been disposed of, and why 
nobody takes any measures to dispose of it, we cannot say. 
We instruct the master that be bas notbing f urtber to do in 
the present condition of affairs with Mr. Grinnell's accounts. 
Possibly it may be my duty, after the argument made bere 
yesterday as to the proper mode of proceeding, to say that 
the mode of revising the report of the master on the re- 
ceiver's account may be different from revising bis report on 
any other subject. It is unnecessary to decide tbis, be- 
cause even the authorities read by Judge Gole show that the 
receiver's report stands in the same attitude as if it bad 
been passed by the master, and that it is only assailable by 
direct proceeding in court, in the nature of a petition, calling 
its attention to some error, fraud or mistake, or anything of 
the kind, and we are of opinion that no other mode of assail- 
ing these accounts exists but a direct proceeding in court and 
before the court, showing special reasons why the report 
ehould be re-examined over? 
Thb United States v. Saoia and others. 
{District Court, B. Ifeie Jersey. , 1880.) 
CoNSPiKACT — Rbv. 8t. § 5440. — A conspiracy is an agreement or 00101)1- 
nation between two or more persons to eflEect an unlawful purpose. 
8amb — Samb. — The agreement or combination is the olience, but the per- 
formance of the alleged act to efiectuate it is necessary to make it in- 
dictable under the statute. 
Samb — Sahb — Parties. — A. conspiracy may be inf erred where ît is shown 
that any two or more of the parties charged aimed, by their acts, to 
accomplish the same unlawful purpose or object, one performing one 
part and another another part of the same, so as to complete it, although 
they never met together to concert the means, or to give efEect to the 
design. 
Same — Same — Same. — ^It is not necessary that the conspiracy should 
originale with the persons charged. 
Same— Testimonï — Co-Conspibatob. — A co-conspirator is a competent 
: witness upon the trial of an indictment for conspiracy.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to accomplish the same unlawful purpose or object, one per- 
forming one part, and another another part of the same, so 
as to complete it, although they never met together to concert 
the means, or to give effect to the design. Nor is it neces- 
sary that the conspiracy should originate with the persons 
charged. Every one coming into a conspiracy at any stage 
of the proceedings, with knowledge of its existence, is regarded 
in law as a party to ail the acts done by any of the other 
parties, before or afterwards, in furtherance of the common 
design. 3 Gr. Ev. § 93. 
In determining the question of conspiracy it will be safe for 
you to reckon Mrs. Lewis as one of the parties. She con- 
fesses in her testimony, and by her plea of guilty to this in- 
dictment, that she was one, and however much you may be 
disposed to weigh or sift or doubt her evidence as to others, 
you are authorized to accept it as altogether true as to her- 
self . Did she stand alone in her attempt to defraud the gov- 
ernment, or were others implicated with her ? If one other, 
then you wiU find that a conspiracy was formed, because only 
two are necessary to complete the ofifence. She states that 
one of the defendants, Park, originated the scheme for her ta 
personate the widow of Joseph L. Lewis, in order to defraud 
the United States, and that his motive in doing so was to 
share with her the fruits, to-wit, the money to be obtained 
from the estate of Lewis. 
Much has been said as to the weight which the jury ought 
to give to the testimony of co-conspirators, and here ia 
perhaps the proper place for me to submit to you a few obser- 
vations on that subject. The fact that a witness is a co-con- 
spirator doubtless operates, and ought to operate, largely 
against the credibility of his testimony, but the jury is not 
bound to reject it on that account. Whiist it would be unsafe, 
in ordinary cases, to convict any one upon the uneorroborated 
testimony of accomplices in the crime, the rule of law un- 
doubtedly is that they are competent witnesses, and it is your 
duty to consider their evidence. You are to weigh it and 
serutinize it with great care. You are to test its truth by 
inquiring into the probable motive which prompted it. You&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Lewis in carrying out the fraud. Dr. Park says that, on th&amp; 
contrary, the information was obtained solely to prepare an 
article on the deceased Lewis for publication, and the reason 
aasigned for not publishing is that the reporters had antiei- 
pated him. Inquire how the faets of the interview with the 
Bensons support these respective contentions. I was some- 
what impressed with the importance which Dr. Park seemed, 
by his conduct, to attach to the color of the eyes of one or two 
of Lewis' old servants. Both Mr. and Mrs. Benson alludeto 
the anxiety of the doctor on the subject. 
The jury will inquire whether that was an important fact 
in posting Mrs. Lewis as to her duties and responsibilities, or 
an important fact to disclose to the public in an article in 
reference to the life and habits of Lewis. You have listened 
to the comments of the respective counsel, as to his motives 
in obtaining the information, and it is for you to decide 
where the truth lies. 
The district attorney and the counsel for the defendants 
have entered so fully into the evidence of the different wit- 
nesses, showing the corroboration or want of corroboration to 
be found there, that I do not deem it necessary to pursue the 
subject further. I will only add, that if the testimony of Mrs. 
Lewis in regard to Park, taken in connection with his own 
evidence and the corroboration of other witnesses, do not 
satisfy you beyond a reasonable doubt that he was a party to 
the conspiracy, with a knowledge at any stage of the pro- 
ceedings of the attempted fraud, it is your duty to acquit him. 
If, on the other hand, you have no reasonable doubt of the 
fact, you must not be deterred by any consideration of sym- 
pathy or meroy from finding him guilty. Your duty is to 
decide according to the evidence, without regard to the conse- 
quences. 
You will then proceed in the same manner to consider the 
case of the other defendants. The direct testimony in regard 
to them is, to a small extent, from Mrs. Lewis, but mainly 
from Elijah Caldwell. If he epeaks the truth, then, doubtless, 
Sacia, Allison and Bassford are parties to the fraud. But he 
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show the schooner his red light; that the resuit was that the 
schooner's red light opened more plainly to him. Finding 
that the schooner was getting close to him he put his helm 
hard a-port to avoid her, and just at that time she changed 
her course and showed her green light, and he then reversed 
at full speed but could not avoid the collision. 
Assuming that the schooner did change her course, and 
assuming that the maneuvers of the tug were all of ihem 
proper, the tug has not exculpated herself for the reason that 
the schooner could not see her lights, and, having no warning 
of her approach, was not to blame for changing her course. 
It is to no purpose that the regulation lights are fixed and 
burning if they are so obstructed as not to be seen by ap- 
proaching vessels. The tug was towing a barge 195 feet long, 
on which were double railroad tracks, and on these were 
eleven horse cars, such as are used for freight. The tug was 
made fast to the after end of the barge, and on the side 
furthest from that on which the schooner was approaching, 
80 that there was not only the width of the barge and cars, 
but nearly the whole diagonal length of the mass of barge 
and cars, to obstruct the tug's lights. For the purpose of obvi- 
ating the obstruction caused by the height of the cars on the 
barge, the tug's side lights had been fixed unusually high, 
and they were four feet higher than the tops of the cars, but 
by persons navigating a small vessel loaded down so deep in 
the water as was the schooner in this case, and approaching 
from the diagonally opposite end of the barge from the end 
to which the tug was made fast, they could not be seen. 
The testimony of those on the schooner is that they were 
keeping along the southemmost side of the harbor, intending 
to anchor just above Locust Point ; that when they got around 
the Baltimore &amp; Ohio Eailroad's long pier near Fort Mc- 
Henry, and almost a mile from Henderson's wharf, from 
which the tug started, they did change their course a little to 
the southward, conforming to the outline of the shore, and 
keeping near the docks ; that they saw no lights whatever on 
the tug and barge until they were hailed from the barge at a 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/795</title>
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a-half months' demurrage. From the ship-carpenter's own 
testimony it appearSj I think, that three months should have 
been a reasonably sufficient time in which to have com.- 
pleted the repairs made necessary by the collision. I there- 
fore deduct one month and a-half, which would reduce the 
demarrage from $553 to $368.67. 
White V. Stbam-Tug Lavbrgnb, etc. 
(District Court, S. D. New York. May 20, 1880.) 
Nboligkncb— BoAT m Tow of Tug— Landino Baege.— A tug cannot 
expose a boat in its tow to any unnecesaary peril in the course of the 
voyage, while leaving a barge in its tow at an intermediate landing. 
Same — LiABUiTT OF Tug- Boat Pilot.— A tug-boat pilot must ordinarily 
be held to be able to anticlpate the action of the wind and aea on boats 
in bis charge. 
Samb — CosTHiBUTOBT NEGLIGENCE — Master of Boat. — The master of a 
towed boat is not chargeable with contributory negligence in acquies- 
cing in the exposure of such boat to an unnecessary peril by the tug- 
boat pilot, unleas the danger about to be incurred is very obvions. 
W. R. Beebe, for libellant. 
S. H. Valentine, for claimant. 
Choate, D. J. This is a libel to recover damages alleged 
to have been sustained by the libellant's canal-boat F. W. 
Walker, on the fourteenth day of April, 1878, while in tow 
of the steam-tug Lavergne, through the carelessness of the 
•tug. The tug undertook to tow the canal-boat, which waa 
light, from Nyack to Hoboken. She had also to tow from 
Nyaek to Irvington, four miles below Nyack, on the east side 
of the Hudson, a heavily-loaded barge. She took the canal- 
boat on her port side and the barge on her starboard side, 
and proceeded down the river. There was a brisk north-west 
wind, making a short, chopping sea in that part of the river 
which broadens into what is known as the Tappan Sea. The 
&quot;weather was pleasant, and there is no evidence of any change 
in wind or sea up to the time of the accident. After getting 
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ated cases. It îa only in the acts of congress passed subse- 
quently that the restrictions are found. So long as it kept 
within constitutionai bounds congress might place limitations 
on the jurisdietion of the circuit courts, and in like manner 
it had power to take them away. This it bas done in 
the act of 1875, § 2, which, so far as it bears on the 
present case, is in the language of the constitution, and 
gives the circuit courts jurisdietion, and the right of removal 
thereto, in suits wherein there is &quot;a controversy between citi- 
sens of a state and foreign states, citizens or subjects.&quot; 
There is nothing said about the suit being brought in the 
state -where the &quot;citizens of a state&quot; in a given case reside. 
Nor is there any warrant for any qualification of that sort, 
AU that is necessary under this clause is that one party shall 
be a citizen or a subject of a foreign state and the other a 
citizen of &quot;a state.&quot; 
The distinction here taken between a &quot;foreign state&quot; and 
&quot;a state&quot; is, it seems to me, an answer to the position of 
defendant stated above, viz. : That the word &quot;foreign&quot; must 
be referred to the residence of the citizen of the United States, 
and not to the district in which the suit may be brought. 
In order to main tain his position the defendant is obliged to 
bring into this statute a provision not put there by congress, 
but studiously left out. 
The plaintiff properly sued the defendant in a court of this 
state, and afterwards it, being a citizen of &quot;a state,&quot; (Cali- 
fornia,) and the defendant being a foreign citizen or subject, 
(of Great Britain,) transferred the suit to this court, that 
being the very case made by the statute in which a removal 
is authorized. It is said no case in point can be found — 
that is, a case between a citizen of a state, a member of the 
Union, and a citizen of a foreign state. But there is a uni- 
versal concurrence of opinion that since the act of 1875 it is 
no longer necessary, in suits between citizens of different 
states, that either shall be a resident of the state in which 
the suit is brought. Dillon on Eemovals, 26; Cooke y. Ford, 
16 Am. Law Eeg. 417; Peterson v. Chapman, 13 Bl. 395. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/857</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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In re Bailbt, Bankrupt. 
{District Oourt, W. D. Penrtsyluania. June 11, 1880.) 
Bbnt — DiBTHBSs — GooDS OB' Stkanoer — AucTiONEBB. — The goods of a 
third person on the premises of an auctioneer for the purpose of sale, 
are not liable to distress for rent, even although the auctioneer may 
have made advances thereon for which he may have a lien. 
In Bankruptcy. Sur petition' of John Liggett, landlord of 
the bankrupt, for an order upon the assignee to pay rent. 
J. H. Baldwin, for assignee. 
S. Schoyer, Jr., for John Liggett. 
AoHEsoN, D. J. There was due the landlord at the date of 
his petition arrears of rent amounting to $1,000; but it is 
admitted that since the present application was made the 
assignee has paid the landlord the amount, viz., |698, realized 
from the sale of the personal property belonging to the bank- 
rupt which was upon the demised premises at the date of the 
bankruptcy. But the landlord claims the further sum of 
$119 now in the assignee's hands. 
The bankrupt was an auctioneer, and carried on his bus- 
iness on the demised premises. At the time of his bank- 
ruptcy there were upon the demised premises, for sale by 
the bankrupt as auctioneer, a piano, upon which he had 
advanced to the owner $48, and some other personal chat- 
tels, upon which he had advanced freight to the amount of 
$71. These sums have been paid to the assignee. The 
landlord claims this money. But upon what principle ? If 
he has a valid claim thereto it must be on the ground that 
these goods were distrainable for arrears of rent. But it is 
settled law that the goods of third persons upon the prem- 
ises of an auctioneer, for sale, are privileged from distress for 
rent. Did the fact that the tenant here had made ad- 
vances upon the goods subject them to distress? I think 
not. The tenant, at most, had a mere lien. ïhe entire title 
remained in the owners of the goods 
It may well be assumed that the owners of the goods 
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eausing an explosion of gunpowder, or its equivalent, ^ï oi 
near the oil-bearing point, in connection with superineum- 
bent fluid tamping, substantialiy as set forth&quot; in the speci- 
fication, 
The other patent belonging to the complainants, and alleged 
to have been infringed by the defendant, numbered 47,458, 
and dated April 25, 1865, was granted, also, to the said Ed- 
ward A. L. Eoberts. It is for a new and useful improvement 
in apparatus for exploding gunpowder or other explosive 
material when submerged in water in artesian or other similai 
•wells. The apparatus is clearly and minutely described in 
the attendant specification, and the daims are as follows: 
First, the priming chamber h, in combination with the flask, 
plug and nipple, substantially as set forth; second, tha 
arrangement of the tube /, or its equivalent, oomposed ol 
India rubber, or other similar material, with the guard d and 
boit e, substantially as described, in combination with tha 
flask a. 
The answer of the defendant to the charge of infringement 
of the process patent, while admitting the issue of the origi- 
nal, and the re-issues, as set forth in the bill, denies generally 
that the alleged improvemant was new and useful; that Roberta 
was the original, true, or first inventor; and it denies also 
that the invention was not known or used before application 
was made for the patent, and denies that the invention was 
not, for more than tv/o years prior to the date of Eobert'a 
application for a patent, in public use, or on sale in thia 
country. Passing from these general deniais, the answer 
proceeds to allege that the re-issue 5,434 was invalid and void, 
becaùse it described and claimed things substantially dif- 
ferent from what was described and claimed in the original 
patent. It also allegea that the second re-issue (that upon 
which this suit is brought) waa not for the same invention aa 
that described and specified in the original patent, or in tha 
first re-issue. There is also a general deniai that the defend- 
ant bas infringed the oomplainant's invention claimed in the 
re-iasue 6,258. 
The answer then proceeds to set forth these and other de-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/865</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>640472</id>
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stantially as set forth in the patent; that the came, or 
substantially the same, things claimed in the patent as new, 
or material or substantial, parts thereof, were long prier to 
the supposed invention of the said Eoberts known by and used 
at certain places designated by persons whose names are given, 
and that they were described in certain letters patent specified^ 
and in certain printed publications. 
Such are the defences set np against the bill of the com- 
plainants, and a very elaborate argument has been submitted 
in support of them. It must be admitted that the answer, so 
far as it relates to the process patent, is exoeedingly fulL It 
avers almost everything that may in any case be relied upon 
as a defence to the charge of infringing a patent, but most of 
its allegations are totally unsustained by anything in th» 
record. They have not been insisted upon in the argument, 
and some of them have been expresaly disclaimed. They ■will, 
therefore, require only a passing notice. 
First, as to those which relate to the validity of the patent. 
There is no evidence to sustain the averment that the inven- 
tion was in public use or on sale more than two years prior to 
Eoberts' application for a patent, which was in 1864. The 
proof is directly to the contrary, and the averment is incon- 
sistent with another allegation contained in the answer, to- 
wit, that at the time of filing his application he had never 
reduced to practice his supposed improvement or invention. 
Nor is there anything to sustain the assertions of the 
answer that the patentee was guilty of fraud in this, that for 
the purpose of deceiving the public he made his application 
for the re-issue to contain less than the whole truth relative 
to his invention, and also that, for the same purpose, he 
made it to contain more than is necessary to produce the 
desired effect, or the alleged useful resuit. Such averments 
tend to awaken a suspicion that the defendant mistrusted 
having any substantial defence. 
Equallyunfoundedis the defence that the description of the 
invention in the Epecification is not sufiQciently full, clear and 
exact to enable any person skilled in the art to which it apper- 
tains, or with which it is most closely connee.ted, to use it.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/867</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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merous aots which he claims to bave Leen anticipations. 
Some if not most of them were in evidence in the former 
case, and were held inaufficient to establisli the iuvalidity of 
the patent. They will require but brief notice. There are 
eeveral, however, that appear in evidence first now. They 
will be particularly considered. One of these, and one upon 
■which much stress bas been laid in the argument, is described 
in the testimony of George W. Beardslee. In 1S44, at Loches- 
ter, New York, he excavated an ordinary well, six feet in 
diameter, and 12 to 16 feet down to limestone rock of a 
peculiar formation, and then from two to five feet into the 
rock. The strata were thick, two or three feet, and without 
fissures. Finding it diiïicult to blow eut the rock by ordinary 
blasting he drilled a two-inch hole in the center of the exca- 
vation, to the depth of four or five feet, without strikiiig the 
water he anticipated. He then put a charge of powder in a 
tin case into the hole and fired it by a fuse. When fired the 
water had risen over the hole, as he says, three or four feet. 
The resuit of the explosion was, he thinks, to reach a sub- 
stratum of water for which he was seeking. Before the blast 
he could bail out the well with a bucket, and afterwards he 
could not. 
It would, we think, be a very unwarranted conclusion to 
draw from Beardslee 's evidence that his experiment was an 
anticipation of Eoberts' process. The well was in no sense 
an artesian well. The cartridge was 13 or 14 inches long, 
and it was of such a diameter as to fill the hole during its 
length. It was not arranged in a position having particular 
reference to the place where the effect of an explosion was 
desired. It rested on the bottom of the hole, without being 
suspended. Obviously it was a case of ordinary blasting. 
The proportion to which the hole was filled with powder, 
about one-third, is the proportion required and ordinarily 
adopted in common blasting. 1 Knight's Meclianical Dic- 
tionary, 295. Plainly the purpose was to blow out the rock 
above the cartridge into the well. We fail to see the identity 
of such a process with exploding a torpedo many hundred 
feet below the surface of the ground, and below the top of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/877</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>640484</id>
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ented combination and the device of the defendant, which it 
is admitted he has used, both of which have been before us, 
we cannot doubt that they are substantially the same. The 
differences, so far as they exist, are merely formai. The 
funetion performed by each device is the. same; the mode of 
performance is substantially the same in each, and the ele- 
ments of the combination are found in each. Those elements 
are four. Bach has a flask to contain material for a blaat, 
and each flask has a cover. It is immaterial how the 
cover is attached to the body. The mode of attachment con- 
stitutes no part of what the patentee claims, nor does the shape 
of the cover. Both devices plainly have reference to a tor- 
pedo to be set vertically, and to be fired by a weight dropped 
from above. The patentee has a priming ehamber entered 
through the cover. The priming ehamber is a small apart- 
meut entered through the cover, intended to contain a charge 
to be fired into the body of the flask, Of what material the 
ehamber shall be made is not made essential or speciûed. 
The defendant's device has three priming chambers entered 
through the cover of the flask, or plate or disk, which consti- 
tutes the cover, Through this cover three perforations are 
made, extending into the interior of the flask, and a Smith &amp; 
Wesson pistol cartridge is forced into each, It is needless to 
say, what is too obvions to need any remark, that the copper 
case of the cartridge, fiUed as it is with powder to be ex- 
ploded by a fulminate in the vein, is a priming ehamber 
answering all the purposes of that in the Eoberts patent, and 
a clear equivalent for it; and the buUet which confines the 
powder in the copper case is a plug answering all the pur- 
poses of the plug in the complainant's device. 
The remaining element of the patentee's device is the nip- 
ple. The funetion of the nipple is twofold : to hold the cap 
in position over the pi-iming ciiamber, and to supply an anvil 
upon which the fulminate in the cap may be exploded into 
the ehamber by the falling of the weight. There is no nip- 
ple in form in the defendant's apparatus, but there is a clear 
equivalent, performing the same functions, and in substan- 
tially the same manner. The perforation holds the cap ia&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/883</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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etatement or details. The averment of a charge of negli- 
gence, in general terms, against both schooner and steam-tug, 
is too uncertain and indefinite to be considered an allegation 
of any particular negligence at ail. 
The only specifie charge is the not seeing the other vessel 
seasonably. This may possibly be equivalent to the ordinary 
averment of not keeping a good lookout. But there is noth- 
ing to show how or why this fault caused the collision. 
If the claimants had seen fit to go to trial on this libel, the 
only act of negligence upon which either of the vessels could 
be held would be the not seeing the other in time. If libel- 
lant failed to prove this his libel would be dismissed. But 
the claimants, even as to this charge, are entitled to a more 
definite and detailed statement of the facts of the collision. 
It is suggested that the owner or master of the canal-boafc, 
not being in any way responsible for her navigation while 
in tow, lashed along-side of a tug, has not the means of knowl- 
edge, or the information as to the circumstances and causes 
of the collision, which the owners of the two vessels, or those 
whom they have placed in charge of them, must be presumed 
to have. 
If, however, a libellant on this ground seeks to excuse him- 
self, in some particulars, from that fulness of statement which 
the practice requires, it should appear in the libel that he 
has not knowledge, or means of information, suffieient to 
state the details in question. The presumption is that there 
was somebody on the canal-boat at the time, and that a party 
having a cause of action can ascertain the material facts on 
which it is based. Of course, greater indulgence, both in the 
matter of pleading and in the matter of amending pleadings 
to conform to the facts proved, will be granted to persons 
thus situated, having less full means of information, and less 
obligation to observe the movements of the vessels, than the 
principal actors in them have. 
But this rule of practice is wholesome and necessary for the 
ascertainment of the real issues to be tried, and for fair play 
between the parties upon the trial of the cause. Exceptions 
sustained ; the libellant to have one week to amend his libel, 
and to recover no prootor's fee in the suit in any event.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/885</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>640492</id>
    <revision>
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rectors of the defendant corporation became interested with 
Smith, Dennison and Converse as parties thereto, so that two 
of the five contraotors were parties to the contract on both 
sides. The construction company thus organized went on 
under the contract for several years, expending large sums of 
money in the construction of the ro.ad, and now claims a large 
balance as due to it on said contract, for which it holds bonds 
secured by the mortgage sued on. It seekd to recover judg- 
ment and a foreclosure of said mortgage. The validity of the 
mortgage, and of the bonds to secure which it was given, de- 
pends upon the validity of the construction contract, which 
is the foundation upon which alone they must be supported. 
Upon consideration of the proofs in the case, the master's 
report, and the law, I have reached the following conclusions : 
1. That the admission into the construction company, under 
the construction contract, of two officers of the railroad com- 
pany was unlawful and vitiated the contract. It matters 
not -whether the contract was entered into with the under- 
standing that the two railroad directors were to be admitted 
or not, their presence as parties on both sides during the pro- 
gress of the work, and when payments and settlements were 
to be made under the contract, is enough. Wardell v. B. Go. 
4 Dillon, 33; B. Co. v. Poor, 59 Me. 270. 
2. It is insisted that there bas been such acquiescence on 
the part of the stockholders of the defendant company, in 
the matters of which they now complain, that they are es- 
topped. It appears that the contract was openly made and 
reported to the board of directors of the railroad company, 
and by them approved, without any apparent effort at secrecy, 
and that the work of constructing the road was carried on by 
the construction company under the contract for a period of 
several years. It is inferred, and perhaps not without reason, 
from these facts that the stockholders generally were advised 
of the particulars of the contract, including the fact that two 
members of the board of directors were interested in it. It 
does not, however, follow in my opinion that the contract 
should be upheld and enforced in a court of equity as against 
the stockholders.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/891</title>
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addition to the other property required by this act io be listed, 
make out and deliver to the assessor a sworn statement of 
the amount of its capital stock, setting forth particularly — 
&quot;First. The name and location of the company or associa- 
tion. 
&quot;Second. The amount of capital stock authorized, and the 
number of shares into which such capital stock is divided. 
&quot; Third. The amount of capital stock paid up. 
&quot;Fourth. The market value, or, if no market value then the 
actual value, of the shares of stock. 
&quot;Fifth. The total amount of all indebtedness, except the 
indebtedness for current expanses, excluding from such ex- 
penses the amount paid for the parchase or improvement of 
property. 
&quot;Sixth. The assessed valuation of all its tangible property. 
&quot;Such schedule shall be made in conformity to such instruc- 
tions and forma as may be prescribed by the auditor of pub- 
lic accounts. In all cases of failure or refusai of any per- 
Bon, ofiScer, company, or association, to make such return or 
statement, it shall be the duty of the assessor to make such 
return or statement from the best information which he can 
obtain.&quot; 
It is charged in this bill that the defendant corporation is 
organized for &quot;purely manufacturing purposes,&quot; within the 
intent and meaning of the fourth clause of seclion 3 as the 
same now stands, amended by the act of May 13, 1879, be- 
cause it is alleged that its sole business is manufacturing and 
selling of gas and coke, and the other products of the bus- 
ness of making gas, and that as such manufacturing corpo- 
ration its capital stock is not taxable. It is further alleged 
that the assessor for the townof South Chicago, within which 
the principal office of the company is situated, assessed the 
property of said company for the year 1879 at a valuation 
of $75,000, which waa increased by the board of equalization 
of the state to $90,000, which valuation, complainant 
charges, represented the entire property of the company lia- 
ble to taxation, and that the state, county and city taxes, for 
the year 1879, on the said sum, amount to $4,300.20, which&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/893</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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legislature constitutionally assesB and tax the capital stock 
of gas companies, while it exempts the stock of purely man- 
ufacturing companies from taxation ? 
By the original aet &quot;for the assessment of property, and 
for the levy and collection of taxes,&quot; approved March 13, 
1872, it is provided, in section 3, clause 4, as follows: &quot;The 
capital stock of ail companies and associations now or here- 
after created, under the laws of this state, shall be so valued 
by the state board of equalization as to ascertain and deter- 
mine, respectively, the fair cash value of such capital stock, 
including the franchise, over and above the assessed value of the 
tangible property of such company or association;&quot; and by the 
thirty-second section of the same act certain en umerated classes 
of corporations incorporated under the laws of this state, among 
which are gas companies, are required to make out and de- 
liver to the assessor a sworn statement of the amount of 
their capital stock, which was to be forwarded to the auditor, 
and by him laid bef ore the board of equalization for valuation. 
and assessment. 
The amendment of May 13, 1879, to the fourth clause of 
section 3 simply inserts in brackets, immediately after the 
words &quot;the laws of this state,&quot; in the second line of the clause 
as printed in the Eevised Statutes, (&quot;except those required to 
be assessed by the local assessors hereinafter provided,&quot;) 
and adds to that clause the foUowing proviso: &quot;Provided, 
further, that companies and associations organized for purely 
manuf acturing purposes, or for pfinting, or for publishing of 
newspapers, or for the improving and breeding of stock, shall 
be assessed by the local assessors in like manner as the prop- 
erty of individuals is required to be assessed.&quot; 
While the amendment to the thirty-second section of the 
same acts consists in omitting the word &quot;manufacturing,&quot; as 
descriptive of one of the classes of corporations who are re- 
quired to make out and deliver to the assessor a sworn state- 
ment of the amount of their capital stock, to be laid before 
the. board of equalization, and the insertion of the words 
&quot;and the corporations required to be assessed by the local 
assessors, as hereinbefore provided,&quot; after the word &quot;state,&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/905</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>640513</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:24:16Z</timestamp>
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that having disclosed the fact that he was a stockholder, upon 
which the law created a contingent liability, to the creditors 
of the bank, in case an assessment should be made upon the 
stockholders to meet the liability of the bank, his said liabil- 
ity as Bueh stockholder cornes within the operation of the 
composition, and plaintiff can only recover the amount paid 
other creditors by the terms of the composition. 
I do not concur in the position taken by the defendant. 
The law under which this composition was obtained provides 
that &quot;the provisions of a composition accepted by such reso- 
lution, in pursuance of this section, shall be binding on aU 
the creditors whose names and addresses, and the amounts of 
the debts due to whom, are shown in the statement of the 
debtor produced at the meeting at which the resolution shall 
have been passed, but shall not affect or prejudice the righta 
of any other crediter. &quot; 
The proceeding to obtain a discharge must be strictly con- 
strued. The bankrupt must substantially comply with ail 
the conditions requisite and precedent to obtain his dis- 
charge. 
At the time this creditors' meeting was held, and this com- 
position eonsidered and approved by the creditors and court, 
this liability as a stockholder was only contingent, — no as- 
sessment had been made, in fact no receiver had been ap- 
pointed. Admitting, for the purpose of this decision, that a 
contingent liability can be discharged by composition pro- 
ceedings, there can be no doubt that, in order to secure this 
resuit, the bankrupt must include such contingent liability in 
his statement of debts; that the creditors holding such con- 
tingent indebtedness must have notice that a discharge from 
such liability is sought. But here there is no reference to 
this liability in the schedule of debts. No notice was given 
in any form that the bankrupt desired a discharge from this 
liability. Indeed, it is difficult to see how this could have 
been done at the time this composition was obtained, as no 
receiver had been appointed at the time, and no one could tell 
what rate of assessment upon the stockholders would be 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 2.djvu/909</title>
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year 1865. This, at least, seems to me to be elear, that the 
conception and description of Davis' valve is not carried back 
by any witness to the time when it is shown Kneeland de- 
scribed and sketched his invention in the early part of Sep- 
tember, 1864. That this is the latest period at which Knee- 
land's invention can be fixed is settled by numerous decisions. 
As v?as said in Reeves v. The Keystone Bridge Co., 1 Off. Gaz. 
466 : &quot; But a patentee, whose patent is assailed upon the 
ground of want of novelty, may show, by sketcbes and draw- 
ings, the date of Ms inceptive invention, and if he has exer- 
cised reaaonable diligence in perfecting and adapting it, and 
in applying for his patent, its protection •will be carried back 
to Buch date.&quot; 
Kneeland's inceptive invention was the earliest, and he was 
diligent in perfecting and adapting it, and in applying for 
his patent. He is, therefore, prior in right to Davis, and i» 
entitled to a decree as prayed for. 
Let a decree accordingly be prepared. 
LoEiLLiRD V. The Standard Oïl Compakt. 
(Circuit Court, S. D. New York. May 27, 1880.) 
iHFKisaKMENT — Sdit bt Marribd Woman. — la the Southern district of 
Kew York a married woman is not disqualified by reason of coverture 
from bringingand maintaining a suit in her own name, without joinder 
of her liusband, for the infringement of a patent within tha state of 
New Yorlt. 
In Equity. Infringement of patent. 
■ Abraham L. Jacobs, for plaintiiï. 
T. B. Kerr, for defendant. 
Blatchfoed, g. J. This is a suit in equity for the infringe- 
ment of letters patent. The bill alleges that the plaintiff is 
the sole owner of the entire patent. The answer sets up that 
the plaintiïï was, at the time of bringing this suit, a married 
■woman, having a husband, Blaze Lorillard, in fuU life, and 
that by reason of coverture the plaintiff is incapable of, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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away from the New York shore, the red and green liglits of 
the steam-boat were observed, the steam-boat then running at 
a greater rate of speed than 10 miles an hour, and not near 
the center of the river; that the steam-boat was then heading 
for the sloop in such a manner as to render it probable that 
she was going under her stem, when she suddenly and with- 
out notice made a rank sheer to starboard across the bows 
of the sloop; that the sloop held her course, and that by 
thus running across the bows of the sloop the steam-boat hit 
the bowsprit and bow of the sloop with the port paddle-box, 
or gnard of the steam-boat, the wheel being still in motion, 
whereby the bowsprit of the sloop was taken out of her, her 
wood ends were bursted open, her mast sprung, her bows 
crushed in, and other damage done. It is further charged 
that the collision was occasioned solely by the fault and 
negligence of the persons managing said steam-boat in that, 
among other things, she was not running near the center of 
the river, but near the New York shore ; that she was ran- 
ning at a higher rate of speed than is allowed by the statutes 
of the state of New York ; that she did not discover said sloop 
in time to avoid her, and did not see her red light; that she 
attempted to pass across the bows of the sloop instead of 
under her stern, and that she did not stop in time to avoid 
the collision. 
The pleadings on the part of the steam-boat allege that she 
proceeded up the river about one-third of the distance across 
from the New York shore ; that when she arrived at about 
opposite pier 45, East river, the green light of the sloop was 
suddenly seen, a short distance on the port side of the steam- 
boat, the sloop being on the starboard tack and heading for 
about the forward port gangway of the steam-boat; that the 
sloop had no red light on the port side; that the sloop was 
seen by those on board of, and in charge of, the steam-boat 
as soon as she exhibited her green light, but said vessels were 
then so near each other that ail that could be done by those 
on board the steam-boat was to port her wheel and sheer 
towards the Brooklyn shore, whioh was immediately done, and 
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CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. 
1. The schooner was in fault for not showing her toroh- 
light in time, or giving some eç[ually good notice of her pres- 
ence and position. 
2. As this was the sole cause of the collision the libe] 
flhould be dismissed. 
Brown d Smith, for appellants. 
John H. Th&amp;mas e Son, for appellees. 
Waitb, C. J. I have had no difficulty in reachîng the con- 
clusion that the toroh-light was not shown from the schooner 
untU it was too late for the steamer to avoid the collision, 
and that if it had been shown at a proper time no damage 
would have been done. Although all the witnesses from the 
schooner concur in saying that some minutes elapsed after 
the light was displayed before the vesaels came together, it is 
&lt;îlear to my mind that they were mistaken. Mere estimates, 
by witnesses in collision cases, as to time and distance can 
rarely be relied on with confidence. It is always safer in 
determining such questions to be governed by the attending 
facts and circumstances. 
The lights were first brought to the attention of the five 
persons looking out from the steamer at the time by its re- 
flection on the sails and rigging of the schooner, and they all 
saw it simultaneously. This, I think, must have been when 
the mate was ooming out from the cabin with the torch 
lighted, and before he got on deck. Under such circum- 
stances the reflection would almost neoessarily be seen before 
the light itself. Immediately afterwards the torch was seen 
for a moment only by the two lookouts on the bow, and the 
pilot at the starboard end of the bridge. The captain, at his 
place near the middle of the bridge, and the second officer at 
the port end, did not see it at ail, as the hull of the steamer 
intercepted their view, and it was soon shut out from the 
others in the same way. These facts are fully established, 
and satisfy me that the reflection was seen as soon as the 
jmate came out from the cabin, and that the vessels must 
iave been very close together. 
The testimony from the schooner is to the same efEect, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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What it was that caused this sheer the testimony does not 
satisîactorily establish. It may have been bad steering in 
the attempt to steady the ship on her course af ter she rau on 
to the buoy, under the excitement of apprehension that she 
was in danger of grounding, or it may have resulted from a 
tendency which some of the witnesses say vesseis have to 
eheer off when approaohing shallow water. 
That the steamer did make such a sheer is satisfactorily 
established, not only by the direct testimony of those on board 
of the tug and bark, but also by the facts and admissions 
contained in the testimony of those on the steamer. These 
latter testify that they had the helm hard a -port when the 
steamer was 300 or 400 yards from the tug; that eveu after 
she ran on to the buoy her helm was never put to starboard, 
and it also appears that when the steamer was abreast of the 
tug the captain and pilot were assisting the two wheelsmeu in 
the attempt to get the wheel still more to port. So that it 
seems evident that if the steamer had not taken a sheer she 
must certainly, under a hard a-port helm, bave run outside of 
the buoys. One great danger of a high rate of speed is the 
short time allowed in which to rectify any error of judgment 
or eounteract any unexpected occurrence ; and, whatever may 
have been the cause of the sheer, no collision would probably 
have occurred if a less rate of speed had allowed more time 
to overcome it or more time for the bark to escape from it. 
In navigating such a channel allowance must be made for 
unusual emergencies, and precaution and care must be in- 
oreased in proportion to the increased risk and diffieulties ; 
and in this case I have been unable to bring my mind to any 
other conclusion than that the tug was in fault in delaying 
until 80 late in getting herself and her tow out of the way of 
the steamer, and that the steamer was also in fault in main- 
taining her fuU speed up the channel in the face of such obvi- 
ons obstructions. The bark appears to have governed her 
movements in strict conformity to those of the tug, and not 
to have been in fault. 
It therefore results that the whole damage is to be equally 
borne by the tug and the steamer. 
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CASES REPORTED. 
Page 
Coggin , United States v 492 
Cole, Leggett V 332 
Collins Co. V. Coes 225 
Conti V. Norwegian Bai-k Gunn 35 
Cook V. Administrator, etc., of 
Rogers 69 
Corbin v. County Commission- 
ers of Wasliingtott Co., Kan- 
sas 356 
Cofbin, Shearer v 705 
Cork, In re 97 
Couaty Commissioners Barbour 
Co., Lewis V 191 
County Commissioners AVash- 
ington Co., Kansaa, Corbin v. 3;'J6 
County of Jasper, Ballou v 620 
Covert V. British Brig Woxford 577 
Cox V. Palmor 16 
Cozzens, Peckliam v 794 
Cozzens v. Feckham 794 
Cozzens v. Smitli 794 
Crane v. City Ins. Co 658 
Dailyv.Doe 903 
Deakin v. Stanton 435 
De Mott, United States v 478 
Dinsmore v. Louisviile, N. A. &amp; 
C.R.CO 593 
Doe.Dailyv 903 
Donaldson, Johnson V 22 
Double-pointed Tack Co. v. 
Two Hivers Manuf 'g Co.... 26 
Dougherty v. Steamer Fran- 
conia 397 
Douglas, Butler v 612 
Dows V. Ekstrone 19 
Drury, Hayden V 782 
Dunksv.Grey 862 
Ebert v. Schooner Keubfin Doud 520 
Edwards v. Woodbury 14 
Ekstrone, Dows v 19 
Endner v. Greco 411 
Erie &amp; Western Transportation 
Co., The M. 8. Bacon v 344 
Estes, In re 134 
Estey, Burdett v 566 
Ewing, Clark V 83 
Failing, Barrett v 471 
Farrow, In re 112 
Faulks V. Kamp 898 
Faurot v. Hawes • • • • 456 
First Nat. Bank of Baltimore, 
Mercbants' Nat. Bank of Bal- 
timore V 66 
Fir.st Nat. Bank of Chicago v. 
RenoCo.Bank 257 
Fii-st Nat. Bank of Denver, 
Fosav 185 
Page 
Fleming V. Andrews 632 
Polsom, Goodyear Dental Vul- 
canite Co. v 509 
Folsom, Radford v 199 
Force v. Ship Pride of the Ocean 162 
Forsyth v. Schooner George A. 
Brandreth .' 414 
Foss V. First Nat. Bank of Den- 
yer 185 
FuUings, Martin v 206 
Gaines, Louisviile &amp; N. R. Co. T. 266 
General Biirnside, The 228 
Gobie V. Schooner Delos De 
Wolf 236 
Goodyear Dental Vulcanite Co. 
V. Folsom 509 
Goodyear Dental Vulcanite Co. 
V. Severance 609 
Grand Trunk Ry., State v 887 
Great Falls Manuf'g Co., Hay- 
den v 519 
Greco, Endner v 411 
Grey, Dunks v 862 
Guibert v. British Ship George 
Bell 581 
Halsey v. Township of New 
Providence 364 
Hamilton Manuf'g Co., Pearlv. 163 
Hammergen v. Schurmeier 77 
Hart, Barnard v 552 
Hatch v. Steam-boat Boston... 807 
Hawes, Faurot v 466 
&quot;ayden v. Drury 782 
Hayden v. Great Falls Manuf'g 
Co 519 
Henning, McMahon V 8.53 
Hcrring v. Richards 439 
Hervey v. Illinois M. Ry. Co. . . 707 
Hinckley, Inre 556 
Hollister, In re 452 
Home Ins. Ce, Albion Lead 
Works V 197 
Hoole, In le 496 
Howard, Brummitt V 801 
Hubbard v. Bel lew 447 
Humboldt Ins. Co., Albion 
Lead Works V 197 
Humphreys, Malster V 535 
Hyde, In re 839 
Hyde, Rublev 330 
Illinois M. Ry. Co., Hervey y... 707 
Indianapolis, C. &amp; La F. R. Co., 
Kennedyv 97 
Iron Mine v. Loella Mine 368 
Iron Silver Mining Co. v. Mur- 
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of the defendant is that it appears from the face of the bill 
that the Union Paciflo Eailway Company, Eastern Division, 
had no power or authority to enter into the contract in ques- 
tion, and that the same appears to be against the statute, 
contrary to public policy, and void. 
1. Although the bill avers that the railway company had 
povrer to enter into the contract in controversy, it must be 
assumed that by this allegation the complainant intended to 
eay that by virtue of the law of ita being it had such power; 
and it is, therefore, necessary to look into the statutes under 
which it was organized, and by which its powers -were defmed 
Rndlimited. A corporation can possess such powers only as 
are expressly conferred by statute, or incidental to its express 
powers. 
2. It is conceded that the Kansas Paciiic Eailway Company, 
Eastern Division, was originally chartered by an act of the 
legislature of Kansas as the&quot;Leavenworth, Pawnee &amp; Western 
Eailroad Company,&quot; and had, by virtue of its state charter, 
authority to make the contract in question; but it is insisted 
that, by aecepting the terms of the act of congress makingit a 
branch of the Union Paciûo Eailroad, it became subject to 
the laws of the United States relating to that road and ita 
branches, and was thereby disabled from making such a con- 
tract. By section 9 of the act known as the original Pacific 
Railroad Act, approved July 1, 1862, it was provided that 
the Leavenworth, Pawnee &amp; Western Eailroad of Kansas 
might construct a railroad and telegraph ' line over a pre- 
scribed route, &quot;upon the same terms and conditions, in all 
respects, as are provided in this act for the construction of 
the railroad and telegraph lines just mentioned.&quot; 
By other provisions of the act, and by its amendments, 
large subsidies were bestowed upon the companies building 
the branches, as well as upon the company which was to 
build the main line. I am of the opinion that by aecepting 
the terms of the acts of congress, and receiving its benefits, 
the Leavenworth, Pawnee &amp; Western Eailroad Company be- 
came subject te all the terms and conditions imposed by'thosa 
jacts, and that neither it nor its Buccessors could enter into a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/13</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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in accordance therewith to the line of said railroads and 
branches, such transfer shall, for ail purposes of the act re- 
ferred to, be held and cousidered a fulfilment on the part of 
said railroad companies of the provisions of the act in re- 
gard to the construction of a telegraph line; and in case of 
a disagreement said telegraph Company are authorized to 
remove their line of telegraph along and upon the line of 
railroad therein contemplated, without prejudice to the rights 
of said railroad companies.&quot; 13 Statutes, 374. 
It is stated, in argument by counsel, that complainant is 
the assignee and successor of the said United States Tele- 
graph Company, and possessed at the time of making the 
contract in question, and still possesses, the rights conferred 
upon that company by the section just quoted; and it is 
claimed that under this act, if not under the original Pacific 
Eailroad charter, the raûway conipany had power to make 
the contract. These facts are not averred in the bill, but as 
the question of the true construction of the section above 
quoted has been discussed, I deem it best to state my views 
thereon, especially in view of the fact that, under the allega- 
tion in the bill that the railway company had power to enter 
into the contract, it is the duty of the court to construe any 
Btatute under which that power is claimed. I cannot, how- 
ever, in the present state of the record, determine whether 
the rights of the United States Telegraph Company had been 
legally transferred to the complainant. That question can 
only be decided upon consideration of the assignment or con- 
veyances under which the transfer was made, and of the laws 
authorizing such instruments to be executed, and these are 
not before me. I can only determine, so far as I am con- 
cerned, the question whether the railway company could, 
under the act above quoted, have entered into a contract like 
the one in controversy with the said United States Telegraph 
Company. By the law as it stood before the passage of the 
act of 1864, which is now to be construed, the Kansas Pacific 
Bailroad Company, Eastern Division, was bound to construct 
a telegraph line of its own. The act of 1S64 allowed it to 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/19</title>
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therefore void. Am furtli'er of the opinion that the provis- 
ion in the contract for transmitting the private, social and 
family messages of the executive officers of the railroad Com- 
pany vitiates the contract and renders it illegal. 
In re Shephard. 
(Oireuit Court, E. D. New York. June 9, 1880.) 
1. PbACTICE — SUBPŒNA DUCES TECUM TO PrODUCB PBESONAL PkOPEBTT 
— CoNTEMpT op Court. — A subpœna duces tecum can only be used to 
compel the production of documentary evidence, books, papers, ao- 
counts, and the like. 
In Equity. 
Benecict, D. J. This is an application for an attachment 
against a witness to punish a contempt in refusing to bring 
certain &quot;patterns&quot; for a stove, in pursuance of the directions 
of a writ of subpcena duces tecum, issued out of this court and 
duly served upon the witness. The writ was issued, as of 
course, from the clerk's ofSce, and without application to the 
court. 
On the part of the witness the point is taken that the 
court has no power, by a writ of subpœna duces tecum, to com- 
pel a person to bring to court his property other than docu- 
mentary evidence, and that the function of a subpœna dw;es 
tecum is coufined to securing the production of documents 
and books. 
The power to issue the writ of subpœna is derived from 
section 716, U. S. Eev. St., and must be found in the words 
&quot;ail writs which may be necessary for the exercise of their 
respective jurisdictions, and agreeable to the usages and prin- 
ciples of law.&quot; Is a writ requiring a person not a party to the 
suit to attend the court and bring with him certain described 
patterns of the castings of a stove, in that such patterns may 
be put in evidence, a writ agreeable to the usages and princi- 
ples of law ? I have been referred to no case in which the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Coï, Trustee, ». Palmeb and othera. 
{Circuit Court, D. Minnesota. June, 1880.) 
X, MoKTGAGE — Intbblineatioîî — BuRDEN OF Pkoop. — &quot; If the Interlinea- 
tion is in itself suspicious, as, if it appears to be contrary to the proba- 
ble meaning of the instrument as it stood before the insertion of the 
interlined words! orif itiain ahandwriting different from the body of 
the instrument, or appears to have been written with dilïerent ink,— 
in ail such cases, if the court considers the interlineation suspicious 
on its face, the presumption will be that it was an unauthorized alter- 
ation after execution. On the other harid, if the interlineation ap- 
pears in the same handwriting with the original instrument, and bearg 
no evidence on its face of having been made subsequent to the execu- 
tion of the instrument, and especially if it only makes clear what was 
the evident intention of the parties, the law will presume that it wai 
made in good faith, and before execution.&quot; 
In Equity. Suit to Foreclose Mortgage. 
H. J. Horn, for plaintiff. 
Roger s e Roger s, for defendant. 
McCkaey, g. J. This cause bas been argued and aubmitted 
npon the merits. It is a suit brought to foreclose a mort- 
gage. Upon the face of the mortgage there appears an inter- 
lineation, the words &quot;block 19&quot; being interlined upon the 
face of the instrument. Without these words the property 
described oould not be located. They are, therefore, material, 
and the question is whether they were inserted before the 
execution of the mortgage or afterwards. This question must 
be decided upon the proof, and in view of the law applicable 
to suoh cases. The mortgage was twice recorded, The 
words in question do not appearintheyîrst record, but do ap- 
pear in the second. Several years intervened between the first 
and second reoording. It is contended by the defendants that 
the interlineation was made after the first recording, and 
without authority, while the plaintiff insists that the words 
were in the instrument as originally executed, and were 
omitted by the recorder in copying the same upon the record. 
The only testimony offered by the defendants is that of Henry 
H. Finley, one of the defendants, and who is the person who 
drew the mortgage. He testifiea that the words &quot;block 19&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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held that anînterlineationis presumably an unauthorized alter- 
ation of the instrument after execution, and that the burden ia 
upon the party offering the instrument in evidence to show the 
contrary. There are also cases inwhichinterlineations have 
been held to be prima fade, honafide, and that the burden is upon 
the party attacking the instrument to show that it was altered 
after execution. But I think that one rule govems in all 
these cases, and it is this : If the interlineation is in itself 
Buspicious, as, if it appears to be contrary to the probable 
meaning of the instrument as it stood before the insertion of 
the interlined words; or if it is in a handwriting different 
from the body of the instrument, or appears to have been 
written with different ink, — in all such cases, if the court con- 
siders the interlineation suspicious on its face, the presump- 
tion will be that it was an unauthorized alteration after exe- 
cution. On the other hand, if the interlineation appears in the 
same handwriting with the original instrument, and bears no 
evidence on its face of having been made subsequent to the 
execution of the instrument, and especially if it only makes 
clear what was the evident intention of the parties, the law 
will presume that it was made in good faith, and before exe- 
cution. Stoner v, Ellis, 6 Ind. 152; Huntington et al. v. 
Finch e Go. 3 Ohio St. 4e5 ; Nichoh v. Johnson, 10 Conn. 
192; Burnham v. Ayer, 35 N. II. 351 ; Beaman v. Bussell, 20 
Vt. 205. 
These considerations dispose of the case so far as defend- 
ant Finleyis conoerned. The other defendants cannot claim 
to be bona fide purcjiasers without notice, because the mort- 
gage was recorded the second time before they purchased. 
Decree for plaintiff for amount of note and interest, to be 
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property; and if the defendant's publication was copied di- 
reotly or indirectly from the plaintiff's chromos, and there 
was a subs.tantial identity in the design, the defendant was 
liable. 
I see no reason to doubt the correctness of these instruc- 
tions. The sketch in the foreign publication was public prop- 
erty, which any person could rightfully reproduee. If the 
plaintif had obtained his copyright by appropriating this 
sketch, and recording the description, and complyiug with ■ 
the other formai requisites of the act of congress for obtain- 
ing a copyright, he would have acquired no exclusive right to 
it, because he would not have been the author, designer, or 
proprietor of the sketch. Assuming the plaintifï to have 
been the artist and designer of the picture copyrighted by 
him, the defendant was not liable if he did not avail himself, 
directly or indirectly, of the plaintiff's production. A copy- 
right secures the proprietor against the copying, by others, of 
the original work, but does not confer upon him a monopoly 
in the intellectual conception which it expresses. An artist 
cannot acquire such an exclusive right to the conception em- 
bodied and expressed in his picture as to preclude others 
from the exercise of their own creative genius or artistic skill, 
or from availing themselves of any part of the genial con- 
tribution of artistic production. 
The law of copyright originated in the recognition of the 
right of another to be protected in the manuscript which is 
the title of his literary property. This protection could not 
be adequate unless he was invested with the exclusive privi- 
lege of copying the manuscript, whether for sale or for pub- 
lication. It does not rest upon any theory that the author 
has an exclusive property in his ideas, or in the words in 
wMch he has clothed them. If each of two persons should 
compose a poem identically alike, he who first composed it 
would have no priority of title over the other, nor would he 
acquire priority by first publishing ifc. The law of copyright 
would protect each in hia own manuscript, but would not 
prevent either from nsing his own. 
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T. C. Campbell, for libellant Pangburn. 
Butler, Stillman e Hubbard, for bark Gunn. 
Coudert Bros., for libellant Conti and bark Eocca. 
Benedict, D. J. On the second day of August, 1878, the 
Italian bark Carmelita Eocca arrived in the slip ofip Kelsey's 
Btores, Brooklyn, and placed herself outside of the German 
ship Paulina, then mopred on the upper side of the wharf. 
A squall was threatening, and two hawsers were at once run 
from the stem of the Carmelita Eocca to the pier. Before 
her bow fastening could be put out, the Norwegian bark 
Gunn came into the slip in tow of a tug, and placed herself 
along-side of the Carmelita Eocca. The storm was then im- 
minent. Those in charge of the Gunn commenced at once 
to make fast by running lines to the Carmelita Eocca. Two 
lines were made fast to her, although warned that her fast- 
ening was not complete, and that permission to make fast to 
her could not be given. A hawser was also sent in a boat&quot; 
from the Gunn, to be made fast to the pier. As the men 
were about to put the hawser over the spile on the pier, the 
lighter Helen Brown, having lost control of herself in the 
storm which was then ùpon them, drove against the hawser 
and pulled it from the hands of the men who had it, and 
Bubsequently brought up on the stern of the Gunn. About 
this time the master of the Gunn jumped on to the Carmel- 
ita Eocca and made fast a third Une to her, and at about 
the same time the two hawsers from the Carmelita Eocca to 
the pier parted, and both the Carmelita Eocca and the Gunn 
went adrift. They brought up on the canal-boat William 
Doran, lying further up in the slip, each vessel doing damage 
to the canal-boat. Some damage was also done meanwhile 
to the Carmelita Eocca by the Gunn, and some damage was 
also done to the German bark Paulina by the catehing of her 
yards by the Carmelita Eocca as she went adrift. 
Out of this occurrance the three entitled suits arose. The 
first is brought by the owner of the canal-boat William Doran, 
to recover for the damage done to that boat by the striking 
of the Gunn upon her. The second is by the same libellants, 
to recover for the damage done to the William Doran by the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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thority from, or fault of, the libelknt, it does not affect the 
contract as entered into by the parties. It is true that such 
an alteration (or, more accurately speaking, spoliation) would 
not affect the contractual relations of the parties. 1 Green. 
Ev. § 566. But, unfortunately for the libellant, this altera- 
tion, as already suggested, did not occur after the execution 
of the instrument had been completed. Itis true, Pew &amp; Son 
had signed the paper, but it still remained in their hands, 
(Eobinson &amp; Co. being their agents,) and was completely sub- 
ject to their wiU. Until delivered, as the evidence of their 
contract, the execution was incomplete. It had been for- 
•warded to them to sign and return to Hager &amp; Co., who should 
hold it for the parties ; and until this was done the transac- 
tion was not completed, and no responsibility on the part of 
the appellant attached. As Mr. Birch, clerk for Hager &amp; Co. 
testifies, the vessel &quot;would not be considered chartered unless 
the paper came back signed.&quot; It did come back signed, but, 
unfortunately, at this time it was not the same as when the 
respondents' representative, Gardner, signed it. As respects 
the libellant it speaks as of the date when (through their agents) 
they delivered it to Hager &amp; Co. Thus it is seen that the 
alteration was not made after the instrument was fully exe- 
cuted; that it is not a case of spoliation, such as is referred 
to by the authorities cited ; but, on the contrary, that the par- 
ties did not execute the same instrument, did not agree to 
the same thing, and consequently had no contract to which 
they were mutually bound. • The only terms to which the 
libellant could be held are those shown by the paper when 
delivered by their agent, and these terms (to which the re- 
spondents did not agree) are the terms recited in the libel and 
here sought to be enforced. 
The libel must be dismissed, and the respondents' counsel 
wiU prepare a decree accordingly.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The case of Coioper v. Godmoni, 9 Bing. 788, 23 E. C. L. 
452, is in principle mucli like this. There the question was 
■whether a plea of the statuts of limitations was a bar to an 
action for money had and reeeived to recover the considera- 
tion money of a void annuity, when the annuity was granted 
more than six years before the action was brought, but was 
treated by the grantor as an existing annuity within that 
period. &quot;That question,&quot; said the court, &quot;depends upon 
another : at what time did the cause of action arise ? The 
cause of action comprises two steps. The first is the origi- 
nal advance of the money by the grantee ; the second is the 
grantor's election to avail himself of the defect in the memo- 
rial of the annuity. The cause of action was not complete 
until the last step was taken.&quot; In the present case, also, 
the warranty contemplated two things — First, the giving of 
the credit by the United States ; and, second, its continuance. 
As the first requirement of this undertaking was complied 
with, no right of action could arise until the second was 
broken. That certainly did not occur until the United States 
elected to take back the credit it had given. 
It is true that in Cowper v. Godmond the election to disaf- 
firm was with the party to whom the payment was origi- 
nally made, but this does not affect the principle on which 
the right to recover rests. The object is to get back a con- 
sideration, which has failed, and in such cases it is evident 
there can be no cause of action until the failure is complete. 
In Cowper v. Godmond the payment was for the annuity, and 
the failure did not occur until the grantor of the annuity 
disafiSrmed his grant. Here the consideration was paid to 
get a credit with the United States, and the failure was not 
complete untU the credit which had once been given was 
\rithdrawn. 
This disposes of the case, as it is conceded the action was 
begnn within three years after the United States gave notice 
of its election to withdraw the credit. The liabUity of the 
First National to account for the amount erroneously credited 
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and is now, an action for personal injuries. It was submitted 
to the State court, the jury sworn, the proof submitted to the 
jury, and when the plaintiff got through with his * * * * 
evidence the defendant moved the court to dismiss the action 
hecause the plaintiff had not made out a sufficient case, and 
the record states that the judge, for that reason, dismissed it. 
Now, that is an ordinary case of nonsuit. Nonsuit is volun- 
tary or involuntary. Voluntary nonsuit is where a party sub- 
mits to tha court and says, &quot;I have not made out a case,&quot; and 
asks that it be dismissed; involuntary nonsuit is just this 
case : when the case is before the jury, and the plaintiff hav- 
ing introduced all of his evidence, the defendants say, &quot;It is 
not sufficient to go to the jury, and we ask for a nonsuit,&quot; and 
the court says, &quot;You shall have it.&quot; All such cases, from 
time immemorial, have been eonsidered as not being judg- 
ments on the merits. The court says: &quot;As far as you have 
gone you have not made out a case. That does not say that 
you caniiot go any further some other time, and taking the 
facts you cannot make a case, but says up to this time you 
have not made out a case ; you bave not made a case which 
requires that judgment on the merits should be rendered; 
you simply bave not made a case up to the present time.&quot; 
General Cole says, in this particular case the judge of the 
state court based the decision on the ground that the plain- 
tiff bas himself shown by bis testimony that he was in f ault, 
and that he was guilty of some contributory negligence, 
and he cannot recover if that bas been shown on the trial, 
and that had been so found by the jury. If he had gone to 
the jury, and the court had so instructed the jury, it would 
have been a trial on the merits. But the only way that we 
find this is in the opinion of the court. That opinion, in my 
judgment, is no part of the record. I doubt very much 
whether that opinion can be produced in this case — that is, 
to showit to the jury. I don't wish to preclude the question, 
but I don't see how you can produce that as a decision on the 
merits. Defendants say that the plaintiff had shown his 
own contributory negligence. It is very obvions that con- 
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ndjoining promises, and their tenants, customers and em- 
ployes, and not a public highway. 
It follows from this that you must find for the defendant, 
unless you find, from tiie evidence, and in view of what I 
shall hereafter say, that the alley way was, with the assent 
of defendant, opened to and used by the public as a passage 
■way. 
A proprietor of land -who opens a private way upon his 
own premises is under no obligations to keep the same in 
repair for the safety of persons who may pass over it unin- 
vited; and even when such proprietor permits persons gener- 
erally to pass over such way he does not make himself liable 
for accidents or injuries which may resuit from the fact that 
the way is not a safe one, or not in repair. 
The proprietor of such a way owes no duty to the public to 
keep it in repair for their use, and whoever uses it does so at 
his own risk, provided only that the proprietor, knowing that 
the public are in the habit of using the way, bas no right to 
place therein anything that he knows will endanger the safety 
of persons patsing over it, without giving warning of the 
danger. 
If you find that the alley way in which the plaintiff was 
injured was a private one, and was not open to and used 
by the public, you will return a verdict for the defendant. It 
is claimed by the plaintiff that the alley way in question, 
though laid out as a private way, was in fact open to and 
used by the publie generally, and that it had been so used 
for sometime prior to the accident, and that plaintiff knew 
that fact, and that, therefore, it was not negligence in him to 
attempt to pass over it ; also that the defendant knew that 
the public were in the habit of passing that way, and that 
persons so passing would be in danger of falling into the ex- 
cavation. It is for you to decide, from the evidence, whether 
theB,e were facts. 
In determining this question you will consider ail the facts 
and circumstances developed in the evidence. You will con- 
sider the purposes for which the way was opened; any evi- 
dence bef ore you as to the purposes for which, and the per-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/91</title>
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district, and afterwards A. T. Ewing, the defendant in this 
case, was duly appointed their assignee. Among the asseta 
which came to the hands of the defendant, as such assignee, 
were two notes of the complainant, Barrett B. Clark, and an 
alleged claim against him for certain goods belonging to the 
bankrupts, which he had taken possession of, and which he 
ought to account and pay for. Sometime in the month of 
May, 1875, said assignee commenced three suits at law 
against the complainant in the circuit court of Will county, 
in. this district, two of the suits being upon said notes, and 
the other upon the claim for the goods. Summons was duly 
issued in said causes, returnable at the June term of the 
court, and duly served upon the defendant in time for said 
term. Complainant alleges that he employed Honorable 
Jesse 0. Norton, an attorney of said court, to defend said 
causes; that, on the application of Mr» Norton, the rule to 
plead in said causes was extended several timea, and finally 
until the nineteenth of July, 1875, and said last-named day 
judgments by default were entered in said causes in the case 
for the goods for the sum of $240.30 — in one of the cases 
upon the notes for the sum of $1,140.20, and in the other 
case for $560, besides costs in each case; that Mr. Norton 
failed to file pleas in said causes by reason of illness, which 
existed at or about the time of the commencement of said 
June term, and under which he grew worse, until on the 
nineteenth of July, and for several days prior thereto, he had 
been wholly incapable of attending to any business, and to 
some extent was so far deranged as to be unfit to give any 
directions in regard to his professional business; that the 
defendant had a complete defence by way of set-off to all of 
said suits, and if he had been allowed a trial upon the merita 
he verily believes he would have been able to establish his 
said defence. 
It further appears that the defendant, after the entry of 
the said judgments, and of the same term when they were 
entered, applied to said court to set aside said judgments, and 
allow him to plead, supporting his application by affidavits 
showing a meritorioua defence; that his application waa&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/97</title>
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the discharge of the bankrupt from his detts,— those and other 
like powers belong to the jurisdiction in bankruptcy, and are 
matters and proceedings in bankruptcy of which state courts 
have no jurisdiction. But when a common-law action is an 
appropriate remedyto enforce aright asserted byan assignee 
in bankruptcy, whather the right is given by the bankrupt act, 
or existed in f avor of the bankrupt before the bankruptcy, an 
action to enforce or vindieate the rîght is not a matter or pro- 
ceeding in bankruptcy within section 711. The exercise of 
the original and ordinary jurisdiction of the state courts in 
such case is, in no proper sense, an exercise of jurisdiction in 
bankruptcy. The fact that the plaintiff makes his title under 
the bankrupt act by assignment from the debtor, or by force 
of operation of the act itself, does not make the suit a matter 
or proceeding in bankruptcy any more than would a suit 
brought by an assignee appointed under the state insolvent 
law, to recover a debt owing to the insolvent, be a proceeding 
or matter in insolvency. It is quite clear that the state 
courts are not deprived of jurisdiction of actions, by assignees, 
to collect the asseta of the bankrupt by the section referred 
to. K this was the intention of congress it is reasonable to 
suppose that it would have been explicitly declared, and an 
intention to deprive the state courts of jurisdiction will not 
be inferred from doubtful language, nor will the words of a 
statute be extended beyond their strict meaning to accomplish . 
this resuit.&quot; 
With the exception of the case of Hallack v. Tritch, decided 
by Judge Hallett, from which I have quoted, no decision bas 
come to my knowledge by a federal court construing the effect 
of the amendment of 1874; and it is to be noted that the 
leamed judge in that case apparently based his decision 
mainly upon the authority of Olcott v. McLean. This case 
may be considered as .overruled by the subsequent cases in 
the same state, and especially by the exhaustive decision of 
the court of appeals in Kidder v. Horrobin, which I have just 
cited. A careful examination of the statute itself, and of the 
condition of the bankrupt law as expounded by the courts at 
the time of the enactment of this amendment, leada me to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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corporation may desire to locate their road, shall refuse to 
grant the right of way through his or her premises, the pro- 
bate judge of the county in which said real estate may be 
sitnated, as provided in this subdivision, shall, upon the 
application of either party, direct the sheriff of said county 
to summon six disinterested freeholders of said county, to ba 
selected by said probate judge, and not interested in a like 
question, unless a smaller number is agreed upon by the 
parties, whose duty it shall be to inspect said real estate and 
assess the damages which said owner will sustain by the 
appropriation of his land to the use of said railroad corpora- 
tion, and make report in writing to the probate judge of said 
county, who, after certifying the same under his seal of office, 
shall transmit the same to the county clerk of said county for 
record, and the said county clerk shall file, record, and index 
the same in the same manner as is provided for the record of 
deeds in this state; and such record shall have the like 
force and effect as the record of deeds, in pursuance of the 
statute in such case made and provided. And if said corpo- 
ration shall, at any time before they enter upon said real 
«state for the purpose of constructing said road, pay to said 
probate judge, for the use of said owner, the sum so assessed 
and returned to him as aforesaid, they shall thereby be au- 
thorized to construct and maintain their railroad over and 
across said premises; provided, that either party may have 
the right to appeal from such assessment of damages to the 
district court of the county in which such lands are situated, 
within sixty days after such assessment; and in case of such 
appeal the decision and iînding of the district court shall be 
transmitted by the clerk thereof, duly certified, to the county 
clerk, to be filed and recorded, as hereinbefore provided, in 
bis office ; but such appeal shall not delay the prosecution of 
the work on said railroad, if such corporation shall first pay 
or deposit with said probate judge the amount so assessed by 
Baid freeholders; and in no case shall said corporation be 
liable for the costs of such appeal unless the owner of such 
real estate shall be adjudged entitled, upon the appeal, to a 
greater amount of damages than was awarded by said free-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/117</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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right inherent in every government, and that it belongs alike 
to the states and to the United States. Each, within its own 
Bphere of governmental action, may exercise it. The United 
States T. Chicago, 7 How. 185; Kohi v. The United States, 91 
U. S. 367. 
Should a case of conflict between the state and federal 
government arise, the paramount authority of the United 
States under the constitution would, of course, prevail. Thus, 
if the United States has, by proper proceedings, condemned 
and taken land for a fort, arsenal, navy yard or light-house, 
or for a post-office, custom-house or court-house, it would not 
be in the power of the state, in the exercise of its right of 
eminent domain, to take the same property. But the present 
case does not corne within this principle. The United States 
has never condemned the right of way of the Union Pacific 
Eailway, and taken it for its own use for public purposes, 
•within the meaning of the rule just stated. It has only 
chartered that oompany, given it the right to construct 
and operate a railway, and granted to it the right of way 
over public lands along its line, together with the right to take 
private property for the same purpose upon making just com- 
pensation. The distinction between this and the oondemna- 
tion of land under the right of eminent domain for national 
purposes, is too plain to require elaboration. I am clearly 
of the opinion that the right of wayof the Union Pacific Eail- 
way is not property of the federal government set apart for 
its own public use, so as to exempt it from the operation of 
the law of the state of Nebraska, above quoted, respecting the 
Crossing and Connecting of railroads, and the condemnation 
of property for those purposes. It is the property of the cor- 
poration acquired under a law of the United States. If, 
however, it were conceded to be the land of the United States, 
unless held for governmental purposes, it would, even in that 
case, be subject to the state's power of eminent domain. 
Land owned by the United States, as a mere proprietor, and 
not used for any of the purposes of the national government, 
may be taken by the state for public use. U. S. v. Railroad 
Bridge Co. 6 McLean, 517.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/123</title>
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hold that the president had constitutional power to make the 
appointment of Bigby, notwithstanding the fact that the va- 
cancy filled by his appointment first happened whan the sen- 
ate was in session. 
The point, however, œost strenuously urged in behalf of 
Farrow is that, the circuit justice having appointed him to fill 
the vacancy occasioned by the expiration of his own term of 
office, there was no vacancy to fill, and the president could not, 
therefore, appoint Bigby to fill a vacancy which did not exist. 
This claim brings up for consideration the proper construc- 
tion of section 793, U. S. Eevised Statutes. That section 
provides: &quot;In case of a vacancy in the office of district attor- 
ney, or marshal, within any circuit, the circuit justice of such 
circuit may fill the same, and the person appointed by him 
shall serve until an appointment is made by the president, 
and the appointee is duly qualified, and no longer.&quot; 
The resuit of this claim is that an appointment made by 
the circuit justice takes away the power of the president to 
appoint. In other words, that the power conferred by this 
section is precisely the same, in ail respects, as that conferred 
on the president by the third clause of section 2, art. 2, of 
the constitution, and section 1769, U. S. Eevised Statutes, 
supra. That is to say that congress bas given the president 
and the circuit justice the power to fill the same office at the 
same time, and that the appointee holds for the same length 
of time under the appointment of either; that whether the 
appointment is to be made by the president or the circuit jus- 
tice depends on which is swifter to act; that the power to 
appoint depends on the resuit of a scramble between the 
president. of the United States and a justice of the supreme 
•court. Such, it seems to me, could not have been the pur- 
pose of congress in enacting section 793. A glance at the 
section shows its object. It was not to enable the circuit 
justice to oust the power of the president to appoint, but to 
authorize him to fill the vacancy until the president should 
act, and no longer. The section expressly declares the term 
for which the appointee of the circuit justice shall serve, 
namely, until an appointment is made by the president. As&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/127</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the constitutîonalîty of the act by the recent decision of the 
supreme court of the United States in the case of the titate 
of Tennessee r. Davis, 100 U. S. 257. 
The question which has been mainly discussed by eounsel 
is whether, under the facts of this case, it can be held that a 
criminal prosecution against the accused has been commeneed 
in a court of the state, within the meaning of section 643 of 
the Eevised Statutes of the United States. Leaving out that 
portion of the section which does not apply to this case it 
reads as foUows: &quot;When any * * criminal prosecution 
is commeneed in any court of a state against any officer ap- 
pointed under or acting by authority of any revenue law of 
the United States now or hereafter enacted, or against any 
person acting under or by authority of any such officer, on 
account of any act done under color of his office or of any 
Buoh law, or on account of any right, title, or authority elaimed 
by such officer or other person under such law, * * the 
said prosecution may, at any time before the trial or final 
hearing thereof, be removed for trial into the circuit court 
next to be holden in the district where the same is pending, 
upon the petition of such defendant to such circuit court.&quot; 
Upon the filing of the petition setting out the facts, and 
rerified and certified as required by law, &quot;the cause shall, 
thereupon, be entered on the docket of the circuit court, and 
Bhall proceed as a cause originally commeneed in said court. 
• ♦ When the suit is commeneed by capias, or by any 
other similar form of proceeding by which a personal arrest 
is ordered, the clerk shall issue a writ of habeas corpus cum 
causa, a duplicate of which shall be delivered to the clerk 
of the state court, or left at his office by the marshal of the 
district, • . * and thereupon it shall be the duty of the 
Btate court to stay ail further proceedings in the cause, and 
the suit or prosecution, upon the delivery of such process, * 
* shall be held to be removed to the circuit court, and 
any further proceedings, trial, or judgment therein in the 
state court shall be void. &quot; 
The first question for decision under this statute is, has a 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/131</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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very purpose and no other. At this stage of the case this 
petition was interposed, and this court invoked to take the 
next judicial step in the prosecution. Does the clahn that 
there vv^as no court in which the prosecution was pending 
stand on any solid ground? In my judgment, clearly net. 
My conclusion is, therefore, that when this petition was 
filed it asked for the removal of a criminal prosecution which 
had been commenced against the petitioners in a court of the 
State of Georgia; and, as the petition sets out ail the other 
facts necessary under section 643 of the Revised Statutes to 
justify a removal of a criminal prosecution from a state to a 
federal court, that the filing of the petition and the service 
on the state court of a duplicate of the writ of habeas corpus 
cwm causa, ipso facto, removes the prosecution to this court. 
State v. Port and others. 
(Circuit Court, N. D. Georgia. July, 1880.) 
1. MUEDEK— Resistance to Revenue Officeks — Powek to Abeest — 
KiGHT OF Seu-Defence — Aerest Without Warrant. 
Preliminary examination upon the charge of murder. 
S. B. Spencer, for the State. 
A. S. Darnell, Ass't Dist. Att'y, John L. Hopkins, J. S. 
Bigby and Geo. S. Thomas, for defendants. 
Woods, C. J. The defendants, thirteen in number, were 
charged with the murder of William A. Jones, on June 24th 
last, near Red Oak station, in Campbell county, in this state. 
An affidavit, charging them with this crime, was made by 
one Mary E. Jones, before John B. Suttles, a justice of the 
peace of Campbell county, who thereupon issued a warrant 
for the arrest of the defendants. By the authority of this 
warrant they were taken into custody by the sherifï of Fulton 
county, within whose limits they were found. The defend- 
ants thereupon filed their petition for a removal of the prose- 
cution against them to this court, under section 643 of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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EevÎBed Statutes of the United States. After full argument 
an order for removal was made. The cause now cornes up for 
a preliminary examination of the charge against the accused, 
the question being whether they should be held to answer th» 
accusation against them at the next term of this court, or bd 
discharged. 
The reply of the defendants to the charge made against 
them is set forth in their petition for the removal of tha 
cause to this court, and is relied on at this hearing. It is as 
foUows : &quot; At the time the alleged killing occurred they and 
all of them were officers appointed under and acting by author- 
ity of the internai revenue laws of the United States ; that 
they were deputy collectors of internai revenue in and for the 
second collection district of Georgia, which said collection dis- 
trict includes said county of Campbell, and that each of your 
petitioners were there, and then and there, acting under color 
of said of&amp;ce and of said internai revenue laws, and that tha 
act for the alleged commission of which said affidavit was 
made, and said warrant of arrest waa issued, was performed, 
if performed at all, in their own necessary self-defence, and 
while engaged in the discharge of their duties as deputy col- 
lectors of internai revenue, as aforesaid, and while acting 
under authority of said internai revenue laws of the United 
States as aforesaid ; that what they did was done under and 
by right of their said office ; tîiat it was their duty to seize 
illicit distilleries and the apparatus that is used for the unlaw- 
ful distillation of spirits, and that while attempting to seize 
Buch distilleries as aforesaid in said collection district, and in 
said northern district of Georgia, and being engaged in such 
attempt to seize said distilleries under and by authority of 
the revenue laws of the United States as such deputy collect- 
ors as aforesaid, they were assaulted and fired upon with guns 
and other deadly weapons by a number of armed men, and 
that in the defence of their own lives they returned the fire 
of their assailants, which is the alleged murder mentioned in 
8aid affidavit and warrant of arrest as aforesaid.&quot; 
The testimony establishes beyond controversy the foUow- 
ing facts : On the night of June 23d the defendants, all of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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whom held commissions as deputy collecfors of internai reve- 
nue for the second collection district of Georgia, and one of 
them, Eobert Bolton, also a commission as deputy United 
States marshal, took the 11 o'clock train on the Atlanta &amp; 
West Point Eailroad from Atlanta to Eed Oak, about 15 milea - 
distant, Their purpose was and their instructions were to 
traverse the country in the vicinity of Eed Oak, to search for 
and destroy illicit stills. Violent resistance to the enforce- 
ment of the internai revenue laws of the United States haa 
not been uncommon in the vicinity of Eed Oak. This ia 
shown by the foUowing facta in evidence : One Eason, who 
was suspected of being a witness against violators of the rev- 
enue laws, had been murdered in that locality. About 5 
o'clock p. M. of April 22d last two illicit stills, belonging to 
one Brown, were seized in the vicinity of Eed Oak, by a party 
of revenue officers, and were carried off by them in the direc- 
tion of Atîanta. The officers were pursued as far as East 
Point, within six miles of Atlanta, by an armed mob of between 
20 and 40 meu. They passed up the road in pursuit, making 
threats against the officers, and it was declared in the crowd 
that no still should again be seized in their neighborhood. 
In this party was Jones, the man who was killed on June 24th. 
In the latter part of May last John G. Hendrix, deputy 
collecter of internai revenue, seized near Eed Oak two stills, 
one of them running. The man in charge of it fled to a 
house shouting for help, and fired a gun. Immediately iiring 
began in ail quartera, and men with guns were seen running 
in different directions, and the revenue officers thought it 
prudent to retire from that neighborhood, and did retire im- 
mediately. 
On June 16th last Hendrix, with a posse in search of illicit 
stills, while passing along the highway, about three miles 
from Eed Oak, was fired upon by a man standing in the door 
of a house. He fired six shots with a repeating rifle. After 
proceeding about a quarter of a mile Hendrix and his party 
were again fired into,at the same moment from three diiïerent 
directions, by men in ambush. He concluded that his force 
was too weak, and abandoned the search for the still he was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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trying to find. Two of the defendants in this case were of 
the party of Hendrix, and the facts of these assaults were 
communicated by him officially to the of&amp;ce of the oollector, 
and peraonally to the defendant Port. The reputation of the 
Eed Oak neighborhood for violent resistance to the revenue 
law of&amp;cers was known to the defendants. On this occasion 
the defendants each carried a breech-loading carbine, and 
had a supply of loaded cartridges. During the night of June 
23d, and before the day of June the 24th, Port and his posse 
had found and destroyed three distilleries, and before 13 
clock of June 24th two more, all within three miles of Eed 
Oak station. 
When halting for rest, after daylight, a party of three or 
four armed men were seen in the vicinity of the revenue posse, 
one of whom dropped down behind a tree. Among them was 
Jones, the deceased. They attracted the attention of the rev- 
enue officers, who all sprang to their feet, and the men ran 
away. Whenever a hait was made during the day the reve- 
nue posse put out pickets to guard against surprise and at- 
tack. About 2 o'clock p. m. of June 24th the defendants 
were proceeding along a public road in the direction of a still 
near Trimble's mill, of which they had heard, and which it 
was their purpose to seize. The road was bordered on both 
aides with woods and underbrush. At a bend in the road the 
revenue party suddenly met five men, all armed, who leveled 
their guns upon them. One of them was Jones, the deceased, 
another Eatteree, the third Koss, and the other two unknown. 
Eoss, who was a little in advance of the others, was taken 
Into custody and told to corne along with the revenue party, 
and if found all right he would be set at liberty. He was 
disarmed. The other four men ran into the woods and disap- 
peared, and as the revenue party advanced along the road 
opened fire from ambush on them. The guns of the revenue 
men were at this time empty, by the orders of Port, the offi- 
cer in charge. They at once loaded and returned the fire, 
shooting rather at random at the spots where they saw the 
smoke of their assailants' guns. After the firing had eeased 
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about 200 yards further along the road, when they were agaîn 
fired on from the underbrush with which the road was skirted. 
About 16 or 20 steps from the road was a cotton field, enclosed 
hy a fence. The space between the road and fence was thickly 
covered with underbrush, and it was from this covert that the 
tire upon the revenue men was delivered. Jones, who was 
afterwards killed, was seen to fire, although only a partof his 
person was exposed. When he fired he was about 10 steps 
from the fence, and was seen to turn and run towards the fence. 
The fire of the party in the buahes was promptly returned by 
the revenue men. Seven or eight shots were diacharged into 
the ambush. The officers then at once charged through the 
underbrush to the fence. Eatteree was found in the fence- 
corner outside the field, wounded in the arm and finger, 
Jones was seen to climb the fence and start across the field. 
He climbed the fence 15 or 20 steps from where Eatteree was 
lying. As Jones got down from the fence he fell forward on 
his hands and knees. He got up and started across the field, 
ran 25 or 50 yards and fell again. He again got up and ran 
from 100 to 125 yards, and fell dead. One of the witnesses 
thinks he fell, in ail, four times. Jones was found to be shot 
through the body, the bail entering his back and coming out 
at his breast. A double-barreled shot gun was found near 
him, both barrels of which appeared to have been recently 
diacharged, and a pouch oontaining ammunition was found 
on his person. Two other persons disappeared in different 
directions. 
The claim on the part of the state is that as Jones was 
running through the fields, with his back to his pursuers, he 
was fired upon by them, and so received the fatal shot. This 
claim is supported by the evidence of Eoss, who was in cus- 
tody of the revenue party at the time, and by F. G. Suttles, 
who witnessed the occurrence from his house, 500 or 600 
yards distant. 
The testimony for the defendants is to the effect that but 
few shots were fired after Jones crossed the fence, and these 
were aimed at the other persons, who were endeavoring to 
«scape in other directions. One witness for the defence, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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and their comrades, and was no justification or excuse for their 
firing upon the revenue officers. But, in my view of the facts, 
his arrest was not unlawful. It is shown by the evidence, 
and there is no conflieting testimony on tbis point, that this 
band of five armed men, of whom Koss was one, met the rev- 
enue officers in the highway, where they were passiug along 
in the diseharge of their duty, and levelled their guns at them. 
That Eoss and his comrades knew who the revenue men were, 
and what their business was, the testimony does not leave in 
any sort of doubt. Their conduct, therefore, in thus coufro/it- 
ing, with arms, the revenue officers was a violation of law, 
and justified the arrest of the whole party. 
To hold that these revenue officers, one of whom was also 
a deputy marshal, should have waited, before making an ar- 
rest for an offenoe of which they were eye-witnesses, until 
they could get a United States commissioner and swear ont 
a warrant, is entirely to misconceive the power and duty of 
an officer of the law. Their duty was then and there to 
arrest, if they could, these men who had obstructed them in 
the discharge of their duty. 
The right of the citizens to resist an officer who is wilfully 
acting illegally, without authority, or in excess of his author- 
ity, is undoubted. I shall always uphold that right; it is 
essential to all free govemment. On the other hand, the 
right of the officer, acting in the line of his duty, to protect 
his person and his life from unlawful violence, stands upon 
the highest grounds. 
In this case there was a party of 13 men, all bearing com- 
missions as deputy colleetors of internai revenue for the dis- 
trict in which thisunfortunate tragedy occurred. They were 
required, by their duty and their orders, to go through this 
neighborhood. They were supposed to be protected by the 
majesty of the law and the authority of the United States. 
The revenue laws of the general government were, to say the 
least, of as great force in Campbell county, and in the vicin- 
ity of Eed Oak station, as the laws of the state of Georgia. 
This posse had as clear a right under the law to break up 
illicit stills as the collecter of Campbell county had to exact&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tion, by a deed valid as between him and hia grantee, it could 
not hare that effect by operation of law.&quot; 
In Rappleye v. International Bank, N. W. Eep. (1 111. Sup.) 
68, a trust deed made to defraud oreditors was avoided at the 
Btiit of the defendant, whioh thereupon claimed and obtained 
a priority in the payment of its judgment from the proceeda 
of the land thus oonveyed by the debtor. The court held, in 
the language of the syllabus, that &quot;a conveyance, fraudulent 
as to creditors, is binding on the grantor, so that there is no 
estate, legal or equitable, remaining in him on whioh a judg- 
ment lien oould attach. The lien only attaches on the 
avoiding of the deed by the creditor, so that he -who thus 
avoids the deed has the prior lien.&quot; 
In Smith t. Ingles, 2 Or. 43-44, it was held that the lien of 
a judgment does not extend to an equity or an equitable title. 
The case was this : Ingles purchase^. real property, and for 
the purpose of defrauding his oreditors took the conveyance 
to his minor children. Burns, a judgment creditor of Ingles, 
sold the property upon an execution, as the property of th« 
latter, and became the purchaser thereof . Subsequent to the 
entry and docketing of this judgment Ingles mortgaged the 
premises to Smith, and after the sale Smith brought suit to 
enforce the lien of his mortgage, making Burns a party. Tha 
court held that the lien of Burns' judgment did not affect tha 
property. As the law of the state is the law of this case, it is 
claimed that the ruling in Smith v. Ingles is the decision of 
this question in favor of the assignee. The case is not clear 
in some points, but upon authority the transaction was not a 
conveyance by the debtor in fraud of his creditors within the 
etatute, and therefore void, but a purchase by Ingles in tha 
name of others with a fraudulent intent. This being so, as 
to the creditors, equity would hold the grantees in the con- 
veyance to be the trustees of a resulting trust in favor of 
Ingles, and subject the trust estate to the payment of his debts. 
Bump on Fraud. Con. 237 ; Guthrie v. Gardner, 19 Wend. 414- 
415. In this view of the matter the e&amp;de is scaroely in point. 
The legal estate was never in Ingles, and the case only de- 
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It was urged by the leamed counsel of the defendant, on 
the argument, that if the surrender and release took place, as 
alleged, such act rendered the whole contract void, and the 
plaintiffs were out of court; and in support of this view the 
well-recognized principle of law was quoted, that where there 
are mutual covenants and joint covenantees a release of one 
is a release of all. It is true that if several covenantees 
enter into joint covenants, and the covenantor afterwards 
release one or more, he will not be permitted to maintain a 
suit on the covenants against the remaining covenantees, 
because such a release destroyed his right of action against 
the survivors ; but that is not this case and the principle 
does not apply. Here, five men acquire certain rights and 
privileges in a patented article; they pay $1,000 in cash for 
the license, and agree to pay a stipulated royalty, besides, for 
all that they ean use in a deaignated business. The patentee 
subsequently agrees with three of the licensees that they sha.ll 
be released from the contract, and this ia done without any 
consultation with the remaining two. These two, faithfully 
performing all their covenants and agreements, insist that the 
licensor shall continue to perfonn his, as to thetn, and, upon 
failure, institute their suit for its breaoh of covenants. Why 
should the defendant be allowed to claim that those -whom it bas 
released, and who bave no interest, should be parties, and to 
defeat the reeovery because they are not joined? Nothing 
but the most absolute necessity would justify the court in 
perniitting the defendant corporation thus to plead and take 
advantage of its own act to escape responsibility. I do not 
perceive such necessity, and am constrained to overrule the 
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FEDERAL REPORTER. 
The foUowing rule was adopted for the distribution of pro- 
ceeds : 
Whenever the majority of claims against any vessel which 
has been sold are in decree, upon the applicaton of any per- 
Bon interested in the proceeds the court will order the clerk 
to classify and marshal the claims against such proceeds, and 
claims thereafter filed shall be paid only after the payment 
of those included in his report. Upon the liling of such 
report, and upon notice to all persons interested, in case no 
exceptions are filed, the court will order the report coniirmed, 
and the proceeds distributed among those libellants whose 
claims are then in decree. Decrees subsequently oUtained 
shall be paid only from the remuants, unless in cases where 
delay has been necessarily occasioned the court shall other- 
wise order. 
Note.— See DaUircm v. 8ehooner E. M. Davidson,, 1 Fbd. Rkp. 25». 
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one of very great importance, considering the sum involved 
in the controversy. The purpose- of the petition is no les3 
than to set aside the sale of a ruilroad which is perhapa 
■worth $20,000,000, or more; a road which has been reor- 
ganized since the purchase, with a new set of directors, a 
new set of stockholders, very largely and above ail, a new 
set of bond holders. The road was purchaaed under a 
decree of this court, the purchase was confirmed, and a 
new company organized, which has been in possession of 
the road over a year, and has issued, as I say, some $10,- 
000,000 or $15,000,000 of new bonds, held all over the world ; 
and now original bond holders in the old company, represent- 
ing $1,500,000, corne and ask that all these prooeedings be 
set aside, and that we proceed de novo to sell the road. These 
petitioners were not parties to that suit in the sense in which 
they now seek to be made parties. The first thing that they&quot; 
ask in the present proceeding is that they may be made parties. 
If they were parties at all — as in some sense they were, and 
represented by their trustees in the prooeedings of foreclosure 
— they were not parties in such a sense as would enable them 
to control the litigation, or corne forward now as parties orig- 
inally engaged in the litigation; and they, therefore, seek, 
very properly, if they are to have any relief in this proceed- 
ing, to be made parties in the first instance. The first ques- 
tion that presents itself is whether they can be made parties. 
Taking all to be true that they say in their petition, the 
case stands that, during the prooeedings of foreclosure, these 
petitioners ought to bave been represented, and were legallyrep- 
resented, by the trustees, plaintiffs in the foreclosure suit. The 
foreclosure was manfully resisted by the corporation for three 
or four years. It was obvious that the mortgage ought to be 
foreclosed, and the road sold, as the interest had not been paid 
for years. The present applicants state that the road, at that 
time, was worth say $8,000,000. Fifteen million dollars of 
bonds were liens upon it, with whatever other claims there may 
bave been against it, besides the interest coupons, so that 
the road had a bonded debt of twice the amount these peti- 
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be instituted, not only to secure for the bailee or depository 
protection against being compelled to pay or deliver the tning 
claimed to both claimants, but also to relieve him from the 
vexation attending upon the suits which are or may be insti- 
tuted against him. For a full discussion of the whole sub- 
ject see 2 Story's Eq. Jur. §§ 801 to 813&amp;, inclusive, and 
cases cited in notes. 
The doctrine has been applied to the case of a bank having 
possession of funds claimed by adversary parties, which is 
this case. The City Bank of New York v. Skelton, 2 Blatchf . 14. 
4. The remedy in such a case is, as will be seen from an 
examination of the foregoing authorities, by bill of inter- 
pleader, which is an original bill, filed by a person who claims 
no interest in the subject-matter, in opposition to the person 
against whom the bill is exhibited, but prays the decree of 
the court touching the rights of those persons for the safety 
of the plaintiff in the bill. Story's Eq. PL § 18. The remedy 
is here sought by means of a cross-bill, filed in a case already 
commenced ; but upon examining this pleading I find that it 
is in substance, and in everything but name, an original bill 
of interpleader, and I am qî the opinion that for the purposes 
of this motion it may be regarded as an original suit brought 
by the bank, in the nature of a bill of interpleader, against 
the several claimants of the fund in controversy. It was 
filed before answering the original bill, and it contains ail 
the substantial allegations of a bill of interpleader, including 
a prayer for process and for relief. Story's Bq. PL c. 6. In 
form, the bill, considered as a bill of interpleader, may be 
slightly defective, but in substance it is sufficient, and in 
considering the question of jurisdiction we will look to the 
substance rather than to the form. As the whole contro- 
Tersy is presented by the crosa-bill, and can be settled there- 
under, I bave no hesitation in holding that this court has 
jurisdiction, and the motion to dismiss is accordiugly over- 
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skesr were destroyeel, and the deok was damaged. If, at the 
time when it was apparent to the master of the steamer that 
a collision ■vras inevitable, her speed had been checked and 
her engines reversed to the extent of their ability, the vio- 
lenca of the collision wonld have been greatly lessened, and 
the damage woald have baen slight ; but her engines were not 
reversed, and on the coutrary were kept in motion after th« 
collision. 
The theory of the steam-boat is that at the time of the col- 
lision the wittd was blovring moderately from the west north- 
west, the weather was threatening and it was dark, but ther» 
vas no difficulty in seeing lights which were preperly set and 
burning. The persons in command of the boat while she was 
heading about west south-west saw, by the aid of glasses, 
a dim, colorless light, not visible to the naked eye, about two 
points off her port bow, which was supposed to be the binnacle 
light of a vessel sailing westward, and that this was the only 
visible light at that time. Immediately upon this diseovery 
the course of the steamer was changed about two points to 
the northward, and at the same time the engine was slowed. 
Instantly the reflection of the steamer's head-light was seen 
npon the sails of a vessel heading about north north-west, 
and lying in the wind, or nearly so. At this time the 
Behooner's men were reefing. The steamer's helm was forth- 
with put hard a-port, and the engines were reversed and 
backed, and ail means taken to avoid a collision. While the 
steamer was headed about west, half north, the bluff of the 
Bchooner's starboard bow struck the port guard of the steamer 
between the capstan and the pilot-house. The schooner 
swung alongside of the steamer, and in this movement several 
of the arms of the port wheel of the steamer were broken. 
Thô claimants also allege that no lighted torch was shown 
by the schooner to the approaching steamer, and that if ono 
had been shown the collision would not have occurred, and 
deny that the schooner's lights were properly burning. 
The facts which are found to bave been proved are as fol- 
lows : The wind was about west north-west. Shortly before 
the collision the schooner had been reefed. For a few miti-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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which was kept in a cbnvenient place in the cabîn. The 
mate had been recently employed, and did not know that 
there was a torch on board. It was not used. There waa 
time enough to have lighted and shown it to the advancing 
steamer after the mate saw the approaching danger. If it 
had been shown the collision might have been avoided. The 
captain and mate -were both of opinion, and this they state is 
the prevailent opinion and practice of the officers of coasting 
vessels, that a torch is to be used only when a steamer is 
approaching a saUing vessel from astem. 
This construction of section 4234 of the Eevised Statutea 
is not warranted by its language, and is not recognized in 
the decisions upon the subject. Judge Lowell says : &quot;I sup- 
pose the new regulation in the act of 1871 was intended to 
give an additional warning to steamers, in case of need, and 
one the use or neglect of which could not well be disputed, 
BO that if the red and green lights were not lighted, or were 
dim, or were overlooked, there should be still another means 
of calling attention to the sailing vessel.&quot; The Leopwrd, 2 
Lowell, 238 ; The Titian, 6 Ben. 346. 
The conclusion is that the collision was not due to the neg- 
ligence of the steamer, and that the statutory precautions to 
avoid a collision were not taken by the schooner, and the 
libellants have not sustained the burden of showing that this 
neglect did not materially contribute to cause the collision. 
The libel is dismissed, 
NoTB. — Bee Kennedy v. Steamer Sarmatûm, 2 Fbd. Rbp. 911.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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habit of receiving snch paper from the Common-wealth Bank, 
which was always treated as the property of the Common- 
wealth Bank, and credited to it in its aceount current, and 
that the paper in question was received in that way, in the 
ordinary course of business, without any notification that any 
other party had any interest therein. 
The court said: &quot;It is evident that a loss must be sus- 
tained, either by the plaintiff or defendant in error, by the 
failure of the Commonwealth Bank. We see no good ground 
for maintaining that there is any superior equity on the sida 
of the New England Bank. It contributed to give the cor- 
poration, which bas proved insolvent, credit with the plaintiff 
in error, by the notes and bills which it placed in its hands 
to be sent to Washington for collection, indorsed in sueh a 
form as to make them prima fade the property of the Common- 
wealth Bank, and enable it to deal with them as if it were the 
real oxvner.&quot; It will be seen that the case was decided upon 
the ground that the paper was indorsed so as to show, prima 
fade, a .perfect title in the indorsee, thus enabling the latter to 
use it as its own, and to get credit on the faith of absolute 
ownership. It is olear that had the indorsement been re- 
stiicted in its character, so as to show the continued owner- 
ship of the New England Bank, the resuit would have been 
different. Of the effect of restrictive indorsements I ehall 
speak hereafter. 
In the case of Wilson dt Co. v. Smith, 3 How. 763, ît was 
held that if the owner of a bill send it to an agent not resid- 
ing at the place where it is payable, for collection, the agent 
bas an implied authority to employ a sub-agent at that place, 
and, if the sub-agent receive the contents, the owner can sue 
him for money had and received, although the sub-agent had 
no notice, when he collected the money, that the agent was 
not the owner. 
And it was also held that in such a case the sub-agent can- 
not retain part of the proceeds on aceount of a debt of the 
agent, unless he has given credit on the faith that the agent 
owned the bill. It is admitted that this case is decisive of the 
case at bar, unless it has been overruled by the recent case of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Case, and the decisions ît cites and approves, clearly estab- 
lishes the doctrine that I contend for, and the last decision 
of the supreme court relieves me from any attempt to reeon- 
cile these conflicting decisions of the state courts. 
LoUTSVTT.TiE &amp; NaSHVILLB EaILEOAD Co. ». GaINES, 
ComptroUer, etc. 
(Circuit Court, M. D. Tennesiee. , 1880.) 
L Statutort Construction— Exemption prom Taxation.— The char- 
ters of the earlier railroad companies iucorporated by the state of 
Tennessee contained exemptions from taxation ; but in later charters 
the legislature, to save repetition, instead of enumerating all the pow- 
ers and Immunities intended to be granted, was content to refer to 
Bome earlier charter, and give to the new company &quot; aU the righta, 
powers, and privileges&quot; of the old. It is clear that the legislature 
Intended to confer these &quot; rights, powers, and privileges &quot; as fully as 
if speciflcally repeated in the new charter ; and such was the recognized 
construction of 3uch charters by all the departments of the state 
government for more than 20 years. 
2. Same — Samb — &quot;PEiviLEaB. &quot;— Where one railroad company is incor- 
porated wilh the &quot; rights, powers, and privileges&quot; of a pre-existing 
company, the new company acquires an exemption from taxation 
guarantied to the former. The Word &quot;privilege&quot; includes in its 
ordinary definition an exemption or immunity from taxation. 
Cases cited — State v. Seita, 4 Zabrisliie, 555-556; Humphrey v. Pegues, 
16 Wall. 244 ; Morgan v. Louisiana, 93 U. S. 217-223 ; BaUroad Com- 
panies V. Gaines, 97 U. S. 697, 711-712. 
8. Constitution AL Law — Exemption from Taxation. — The legislature 
of a sj;ate raay contraot in a corporate charter for exemption of the 
corporate property from taxation, unless there be some constitutional 
prohibition. No such prohibition is contained in the Tennessee con- 
stitution of 1834. 
Cases cilaà—Tomlinson v. Branch, 15 Wall. 460; K. &amp; O. R. Co. v. 
Eicks, 1 Legal Rep. 343. 
4. Statutort Construction — When Fbdbrai, Courts wili. PoLiiOw 
Btatb Courts. — Ordinarily, the federal courts foUow the ruling of 
the state courts in their interpretation of the constitutions and statutes 
of their respective states ; but where property has been acquired and 
investments made under statutory contracts, generally recognized and 
believed to be constitutional, in the absence of adjudications declar- 
ing them invalid, the federal courts are not concluded by the con-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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mixed property belonging to the company within the state, 
not enumerated above, with its value.&quot; 
Said act further provides for the appointment by the gov- 
ernoï of three commis eioners, to be styled &quot;railroad assess- 
ors for the state at large.&quot; To these commissioners the 
comptroller is required to deliver the &quot;schedules aforesaid.&quot; 
When this is done the commissioners are &quot;to proceed to 
ascertain, test, and value the property belonging to said Com- 
pany,&quot; upon the basis prescribed in said act, and value said 
property and certify their estimates to the comptroller ; and 
&quot;when such valuation is approved by the governor, seeretary 
of state, and treasurer, the comptroller is directed to &quot;ascer- 
tain the amount of taxes due the state, and notify the Com- 
pany thereof, and if not paid he may issue his distress war- 
rant to any sheriff in the state, to be levied upon any personal 
or real property or franchises of the company, with power to 
sell the same and make a deed to the purchaser;&quot; and &quot;the 
governor is authorized to issue his warrant to any sheriff, 
along the line of said railroad, to put such purchaser into the 
possession of such road and all its property.&quot; 
Said act further directs the comptroller to certify to the 
county court clerk of each county through which a railroad 
runs the amount to be taxed by said county for county pur- 
poses, and likewise to the mayors of incorporated towns 
through which the road passes the amount to be taxed by 
such towns ; and the clerk is required to enter the same upon 
the collector's books, specifying the amount of taxes to be 
coUected, etc. 
The legislature, by the eleventh section of said act, pro- 
vided further: &quot;That every railroad company which will 
accept as a special amendment to its charter, for a period of 
ten years from the first day of January, 1875, and that will 
pay annually to the state IJ per cent, on its gross receipts 
from all sources, shall be exempt from the provisions of the 
foregoing sections, (there recited above,) and the payment of 
said 1|- per cent, upon all gross earnings of said road shall 
be in full (for the period mentioned, ten years) of all taxa- 
tion.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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for taxation at the gross sum of $3,370,700, and oertified 
their action to the eomptroUer. 
At this juncture complainant filed ifcs bill, in and by which 
it prays for an injunction restraining the comptroller &quot;from 
certifying to the county court clerk of each county, and like- 
wise to the mayor pf each incorporated town, the amount 
assessed as af oresaid to be taxed by said counties or towna 
respectively against complainant for the years mentioned;&quot; 
and &quot;if, before this application for an injunction can be made, 
said defendant (the comptroller) shall have made said cer- 
tificate, thep that by mandatory injunction he be ordered to 
■withdraw the same,&quot; and for other and appropriate relief. 
A restraining order was granted until this application could 
be hpard, and we are now, after full argument, called on to 
decide whether complainant is entitled to the injunction 
prayed for. 
The doctrine that the legislature of a state unrestricted by 
constitutional prohibition, has power to contract in a charter 
authorizing the formation of a corporation for an exemption of 
its property from taxation, has not been denied in the argument 
of this case. The right to do this has been repeatedly afiSnned 
by the supreme court of the United States. Tomlinson v. 
Branch, 15 Wall. 460. And the supreme court of the state 
has held, in the K. e 0. R. Co. v. Hicks, 1 Leg. Eep. 343, 
that no sueh prohibition is contained in the constitution of 
1834 — the constitution in force when the several charters, 
under which the complainant claims exemption, were passed. 
It'is further admitted that the twenty-ninth section of the 
act incorporating the Nash ville &amp; Chattanooga Eailroad Com- 
pany is a good and valid exemption to that company for the 
period therein specified; and that the complainant has, by 
its lease, consolidation, and purchase, sueceeded to all the 
rights, privileges, and immunities of the several corporations 
■which it represents in this litigation. On these several prop- 
ositions the parties are agreed. It is on the next and suo- 
ceeding issue that the controversy arises. The complainant 
contends that the grant contained in the several charters to 
which complainant is entitled, of all the &quot;rights and privi-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ment than in the clause mentioned, the inference drawn 
therefrom would, to say the least, be a violent one. Most 
words possess different shades of meaning. In one connec- 
tion they may mean one thing, and in another and different 
connection another and quite a diiïerent thing. The same 
Word is often used with distinctly different meanings in the 
Bame statute ; and yet the courts give to it, in each connec- 
tion in which it is employed, the meaning which the legisla- 
ture intended it to have in that particular connection. An 
illustration of this is found in the constitution itself in the 
use of this very word &quot;privilege.&quot; It is found elsewhere in 
that instrument than in the eleventh article. It frequently 
occurs in the constitution, and is so used as to involve every 
shade of meaning of which it is, according to lexieographers, 
susceptible. Now, if the framers of the constitution bave 
thus employed it, with one meaning in one place, and with 
another and different meaning in other places, what .be- 
comes of the hypothesis that its meaning bas been consti- 
tutionally defined by the eleventh article? It must fall to 
the ground. And this, out of the way, we are at liberty to 
interpret the terms &quot;rights and privileges,&quot; as defined by 
judicial and lexical authorities. 
Webster says that privilege is a right or immunity not 
enjoyed by others — an exemption from an evil or burden; 
*hat under the Eoman law it denoted some peculiar benefit, 
Bome right or advantage, not enjoyed by others, etc. Crabbe 
says it signifies a law made in favor of an individual. It 
consists of some positive advantage, exemption, or immunity. 
In its more extended sense it comprehends every prerogative, 
exemption, and immunity. Abbott defines it to be a right or 
immunity by way of exemption from the general law. Bou- 
vier defines it as a private law in derogation of common right. 
Paschal says it is a special right belonging to an individual 
or class; properly an exemption from some duty — an immu- 
nity from some general burden or obligation. Mr. .Justice 
Washington says that an exemption from taxes is embraced 
by the general description of privileges. And in State v. Betts, 
4: Zabriskie, 555-6, the court say : &quot;The term privilege includes&lt;noinclude&gt;
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any court would be -warranted in proceeding agaînst it as 
Buch. Buoh attachments, and disputes concerning them, are 
very common under the laws of the state, yet no case is 
known where any person has been proceeded against as for a 
contempt, or otherwise criminally, for violating such an 
attachaient. In any view which can be taken of it, the mo- 
tion must be denied. 
Motion denied, without prejudice to any Buii. 
Smith v. The Schooner J. C. King. 
'Bùtriet Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. August 2, 1880.) 
1, Beambn — Wagbs — Keftjsal to Woek on Sundat. — A searaan upon 
a echooner in the harbor of Frankfort, Michigan, where she was towed 
to reoeive a cargo of lumber, cannot refuse to work on Sunday, in 
loading the schooner, where the towing veseel is net ahle to enter the 
harbor by reason of an insufflciency of water, and is lying outside in 
the lake, awaiting the schooner, and is in &amp; place of danger. 
Wiiere the maater of the schooner was of opinion that it Tras neces- 
sary, for the safety of the towing vessel, that the loading of the 
schooner (begun on Friday) should be completed on Sunday, and or- 
dered the work to be done, it was the duty of the crews to obey. 
In this case, hM, that a seaman refusing to work on Sunday was 
Tlghtfully expelled from the schooner, and forfeited his wages for his 
disobedience. 
In Admiralty. Libel for wages, etc. 
Clark Olds, for libellant. 
F. F. Marshall, for respondent. 
AcHEsoN, D. J. On June 18, 1879, the steam barge James 
Davidson, having in tow the schooners Orgarita and J. C. 
King, left Chicago, bound to Frankfort, Michigan, to load part 
of her tow with lumber, thence to Cheboygan, and thence to 
Buffalo or Tonawanda. The libellant was a seaman upon 
the schooner King, and by the shipping articles, which are 
in the usual form, he.and the rest of the crew agreed &quot;to 
work on any vessel in our tow, and on any lighter that may 
be used to load or lighten our vessels, and to work any place&lt;noinclude&gt;
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appears &quot;thai the weather was threatening.&quot; There was, 
indeed, no immediate danger to the Davidson, but the uncon- 
tradicted evidence is that &quot;ahe lay in a very dangerous place,&quot; 
in the event of a change of weather. Captain Starkey swears 
it was his opinion that there was an &quot;absolute necessity&quot; to 
get the schooners loaded and out, for the safety of the David- 
son. James Carr, the master of the Orgarita, and James 
Davidson, the master of the steam barge and owner of the 
three vessels, testify respectively that they entertained a sim- 
ilar opinion. Charles Cardnell, a mariner on-board the Orga- 
rita, who helped to stow the lumber on the King, testifies : 
&quot;I considered it necessary for that loading to be done, on 
Sunday for the safety of the Davidson, or I would not have 
worked myself. I was a caulker on board the Orgarita, and 
was not obliged to work then.&quot; The alacrity with which the 
other men, to the number of 40, worked in loading the 
King, indicates that they held the same view as the witness 
Cardnell. 
I am satisfied from ail the evidence that, with reference to 
the situation of the Davidson, there was a reasonable neces- 
sity for the Sunday labor which the libellant was called upon 
to perform. It was, however, for the master of the King, 
under the then existing circumstances, to determine whether 
the work of loading the sohooner was necessary for the safety 
of the Davidson, and obedience to his orders was the plain 
duty of the libellant. It was not for him to sot up his judg- 
ment against that of the master. That it was Sunday was 
no excuse for his refusai to perform the duty required of him, 
(The Richard Matt, 1 Bisa. 440;) and I am of opinion that 
the master of the King had a clear right to discharge the 
libellant for his disobedience. Had these four rebeUious 
seamen been permitted to remain on board their spirit of 
insubordination might have infected the rest of the crews. 
I think the libellant forfeited his wages for the five days he 
worked on the, King, (The Richard Matt, aupra,) and I will 
therefore disçûiss his libel, but will deoree no costs against 
him. And now, to-wit, August 2, 1880, the libel in thia case 
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law, and that courts are always prompt to seize hold of any 
circumstances that indicate an election to waive a forfaiture, 
or an agreement to do so on -which the party has relied and 
acted. Any agreement, declaration, or course of action on the 
part of an insurance company which leads a party insured 
honestly to believe that by conforming thereto a forfeiture of 
his policy will not be incurred, foUowed by due conformity on 
his part, will and ought to estop the company from insisting 
upon the forfeiture, although it might be claimed under the 
express letter of the contract.&quot; And it was, aocordingly, in 
that case held that where an insurance company had been in 
the habit of notifying the assured of the time when and place 
where premiums were to be paid, he had reasonable cause to 
expeet and rely on receiving such notice, and that the com- 
pany was estopped from setting up that the policy was for- 
feited by the non-payment of a premium of which no such 
notice was given. In the present case it appears that in 1876 
the company notified the assured that the Hennepin County 
Savings Bank, at Minneapolis, was its agent, to whom premi- 
ums should be paid. In March, 1877, the defendant ap- 
pointed a new agent at Minneapolis, and when notices were, 
in that month, sent out to policy holders, the company 
adopted a rule to send a circular with each notice, informing 
the assured of the place where and the agent to whom pay- 
ment should be made^ The jury find that this circular was 
not sent to Seamans. He did not, therefore, know of the 
change of the agency, and naturally supposed he was to pay 
to the party to whom he had paid the year before. He sent 
his money in due time to that party. He did not send it to 
St. Paul, at which place he was informed there was an agent, 
because he had been notified that he must pay to the agent 
at Minneapolis. That the company understood it to be their 
duty to inform him of the change of the agency, is clear from 
the fact that they adopted a rule to do this in ail cases, and 
omitted it in his case by oversight. 
Under the circumstanc«s, I do not think the assured was 
bound to hunt for an agent in the city of Minneapolis to 
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from mating suoh payment at maturity by the fault of de- 
fendant. 
Tke following authorities show the reluctance of courts to 
enforce forfeitures in tbis class of cases, and support the gen- 
erai views I have expressed: Insurance Co. v. Wolff, 95 U^ 
S. 326; Insv/rance Co. T. Eggleston, 96 U. S. 572; Insurance 
Co. T. Norton, là. 234; Insurance Co, v. Pierce, 75 Dl. 426; 
Thompson v. Insurance Co. 52 Mo. 469 ; Mayer v. Insurance 
Co. 38 Iowa, 304 ; Insurance Co. v. Warner, 80 111. 410 ; Insv/r- 
ance Co. V. Robertson, 59 111. 123. 
Judgment for plaintif for amount of the policy and interest. 
BuBiiS and others v. Hydb and others, 
(Circuit Court, D. Minnesota. , 1880. ) 
I. ReuotaI' — ACT o» Mahch 8, 1875, S 2. — In order that a suit may bc 
removed by eitlier party, under section 2 of the act of March 3, 1875, 
ail the persons forming the party on one sida of the controveray must 
be citizens of states different from tbose of which the other party ai« 
citizens. 
Motion to Eemand. 
Gordon E. Cole, for plaintiffs. 
Charles W. Bunn, for defendants. 
Nelson, D. J. A motion is made to remand thîs suit, which 
îs removed from the state court on the petition of all the 
defendants, under the provisions of the second section of the 
act of March 3, 1876. The following is the clause under 
which the suit was removed : 
&quot;That anysuit of a civil nature, at law or in equity,now pend- 
ing * * * ia any state court, where the matter in dispute ex- 
ceeds, exclusive of costs, the sum or value of $500, • • * 
in which there shall be a controversy between citizens of 
different states, • * * either party may remove said 
suit into the circuit coui-t of the United States for the propei 
district.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Leggett and others ». ColE. 
(Circuit Court, D. Minnesota. , 1880.) 
1. Gen. St. of Minnesota, (1878,) c. 75, § 2— Equitt Docket.-^A suit 
brought under the statutes of Minnesota (Gen. St. 1878, c. 75, § 2), 
by a party in possession of real property, to settle an adverse 
elaim, belongs on the equity docket. 
Meighen v. Strong, 16 Minn. 177, foUowed. 
Motion to transfer suit to equity docket. 
Henry J. Horn, for plaintifîa. 
Albert L. Levi, for defendant. 
Nelson, D. J. This case belongs on the equity docket. 
The statute permitting a party in possession of real property 
to bring a suit to settle an adverse claim reads as follows: 
&quot;An action may be brought by any person in possession, by 
himself or his tenant, of real property, against any person 
•vrho claims an estate or interest therein, or lien upon the 
same, adverse to him, for the purpose of determining such 
adverse claim, estate, lien, or interest ; and any person hav- 
ing or claiming titleto vacant or unoccupied real estate may 
bring an action against any person claiming an estate or 
interest therein adverse to him, for the purpose of determin- 
ing such adverse claim, and the rights of the parties respect- 
ively.&quot; Gen. St. of Minn. (1878) c. 75, § 2. This statute 
enlarges the class of cases in which equity affords relief in 
quieting title and possession of real estate. 
It was necessary, previous to the enactment of this statute, 
that the right of the party in possession should be established 
by repeated judgments in his favor, in actions at law against 
him, before he could maintain a suit. This statute confers 
upon the possessor of real property a new right which enables 
him, without delay, to draw. to himself outstanding inferior 
titles ; and the facts are not to be tried by a jury unless tha 
court orders an issue, or the parties consent to such trial. 
Buch was the opinion of the supreme court of the state, 
Meighen v. Strong, 6 Minn. 177-182. 
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ornament, prînt, or picture to be printed, paînted, cast, or 
otherwise placed on or worked into any article of manufac- 
ture; or any new, useful, and original shape or configura- 
tion of any article of manufacture, the same not having been 
known or used by others before bis invention or production 
tbereof. 
The subject of tbis patent isnot covered by tbis statute un- 
less it is included in the term &quot;manufacture.&quot; The buttons 
are, bowever, the principal thing; and they are not changed 
at ail, either in form or appearance, by the patented inven- 
tion. It afïects notbing but the card; and that is not a card 
for buttons, to be used for successive sets, but a card of but- 
tons, which constitutes a mere metbod of putting them up for 
sale, to attract customers; not on account of anything at all 
about the tbing sold, but ■wholly on account of the manner of 
arranging it for sale. 
luLangdon v. De Groat, 1 Paine, C. C. Eep. 203, the in- 
vention was for folding thread and floss cotton in a manner 
different from the ordinary mode, -whereby it would sell 
quicker and higher. The court said : 
&quot;The article itself undergoes no change; and the whole of 
the împrovement — for it is a patent for an improvement — 
consista in putting up skeins of it, perhaps of the same size 
in which they are imported, decorated with a label and wrap- 
per, thus rendering tbeir appearance somewhat more attract- 
ive, and inducing the unwary not only to give it a preference 
to other cotton of the same fabric, quality, and texture, but 
to pay an extravagant premium for it. 
&quot;Now, that such contrivance — for with vrhat propriety can 
it be termed a useful art, under the constitution — may be ben- 
efi.oial to a patentee, if he can exclude from the market all 
other retailers of the vfery same article, will not be denied ; 
and if to protect the interest of the patentee, hovyever frivo- 
lous, useless, or deoeptive his invention may be, were the sole 
objôet of the la-w, it must be admitted that the plaintiff haa 
i!(iad,e &lt;5ùt a- «aitisfactory title to his patent. But, if the utility 
o^fiiQ invention is to be tested by the advantages which the 
Iiu^blic arç to derive frorû it, it will not be perceived bo^ thia&lt;noinclude&gt;
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MvTsaos V. The Mator, Etc., op New Tose. 
(Circuit Comt, S. JD. New York. June 15, 1880.) 
1. Patent No. 63,419— PatentabHiITt. — A bond and coupon register.ln 
the form of a bock, is a legal subject for a patent. 
2. Infkingbmbîit — Liabilitt of a City. — A city is liable in its corporate 
capacity for the Infringement of a patent. 
MUn, V. Tht Mayor, C. C. 8. D. N. Y., followed. 
In Equity. 
Royal S. Crane, for plaintiff. 
Frederick H. Betts, for defendant. 
WnEELER, D. J. This suit is upon a patent to the plain- 
iiff, numbered 63,419, and dated April 2, 1867, for a bond 
and coupon register. The defendant sets up and insista that 
this register is not a subject for a patent within the law; 
ihat the invention was tendered to and used by William E. 
Warren and John O'Brien before the plaintiff' s invention ; and 
that it is not liable for the infringement shown. 
The principal argument upon the first point rests upon the 
«laim that the register should have been copyrighted instead 
of being patented, and Drury v, Ewing, 1 Bond, 540, is much 
relied upon to support that proposition. A copyright is a 
right to copy merely, as the word imports, and covers only 
the multiplication of copies. Perris v. Hexamer, 99 U. S. 
674; Baker v. Selden, S. C. U. S., Oct. 7, 1879, Alb. Law J., 
Feb. 28, 1880, p. 168. The plaintiff's invention is of a book 
with a page, or pages, spaced for each bond and its coupons 
of any series of coupon bonds, and with the spaces numbered 
and designated to show what bonds and coupons they are for, 
while any of them are outstanding, and for receiving them 
for safe-keeping as vouchers, or memoranda, when any of 
them are taken up or paid. The plan is the same for regis- 
ters for different bonds of a series, and for different series of 
bonds, but the registers are not copies of one another, and 
the right to multiply copies would afford no protection at ail. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/351</title>
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Thb m. s. Bacon v. The Erib &amp; Western Tbans- 
PORTATION Co. 
{Oireuit Court, W, -D. Penntylvania. —, 1880.) 
1. Demubragk — Affreightment. — ^An express stipulation forderaurrage, 
in a contract of affreightment, is not necessary to eutitle the owner of 
a vessel to compensation for his unnecessary or improper detention in 
loading or unloading. 
X Bamb — Unloadisg Vessïhi un its Turn. — ^If the custom of the port 
requires that vessels of a certain character should be unloaded in theii 
tnrn, such vessels must await their turn for a reasonable time, mea- 
sured by the ordinàry volume and exigencies of trade at the place of 
discharge, and it is not within the province of an owner of such a 
vessel, by notice to a consignee, to deflne an arbitrary period within 
which the cargo must be discharged. 
8. Bamb — Samb. — Demurrage is not recoverable from the ahipperand con- 
signee of a cargo of wheat, where a vessel was detained four days at 
the port of Erie, near the close of navigation, while waiting, in ac- 
cordance with cuatom, to be unloaded in its turn at an elevator, where 
there was nothing to indicate that the number of vessels consigned to 
the respondent, and in port at the same time, was eztraordinary, or 
that the delay in unloading the vessel was at ail unreasonable. 
In Admiralty, Appeal from the decree of the district court. 
J. M. Stoner, for libellant and appellee. 
F. F. Marshall, for respondent and appellant. 
McKennan, C. J. An express stipulation for demurrage, 
in a contract of affreightment, is not necessary to entitle the 
owner of a vessel to compensation for her unnecessary or 
improper detention in loading or unloading. Eeasonable 
promptitude in delivering a cargo at its point of shipment, 
and in receiving it at its destination, is a duty implied in such 
, contracts, and for a violation of it damages in the nature of 
demurrage are recoverable, This is too well settled, both in 
England and in this country, to need discussion or authority. 
Whether the consignee of a cargo, who is not its owner, is 
chargeable wi*b such damage, it is unnecessary to consider, 
because the respondent is admitted to have been the shipper 
of the cargo, and heuce, as a party to the contract of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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for by the Eevised Statutes, title 53, § 4615, by receiving on 
board, on that day, three seamen named in the libel, who had 
been engaged and supplied as such seamen contrary to the 
provisions of that title, in this, that he &quot;did not then and 
there, before proceeding on said voyage from Boston to South 
Amboy, make a eontract in writing, or in print, with said sea- 
men, &quot; etc. In another count it is alleged that on the second 
day of December, 1879, further penalties were incurred by 
the act of the master in receiving two seamen before proceed- 
ing on a similar voyage, then and there about to be under- 
taken, without having made the requisite written or printed 
agreemeut. The answer admits the material averments of 
fact, and deni-^s the inferences of law. 
The Eevised Statutes have brought together in one title the 
several acts concerning merchant seamen, and section 4515 
declares that if an y master, mate, or other officer of a vessel, 
knowingly receives or accepts, to be entered on board of any 
merchant vessel, any seaman who has been engaged or sup- 
plied contrary to the provisions of that title, the vessel on 
board which any such seaman shall be found, shall, for every 
Bueh seaman, be liable to a penalty of not more than $200. 
The asserted illegality of the engagement of the five sea- 
men, for which a penalty not exceeding $1,000 is here sued 
for, consists in a breach of the Eevised Statutes, §§ 4520 and 
4521, which require every master of a vessel above 50 tons 
burden, bound from a port of one state to a port in any other 
than an adjoining state, to make a eontract in writiu^' or in 
print with every seaman; and declare that if any master 
shall &quot;carry ont&quot; any seaman, without such eontract being 
first made, the seaman shall have the highest rate of wages 
and certain other rights, and the master shall be liable to a 
penalty of $20 for every such seaman, one-half for the United 
States, and one-half for the common informer. These sec- 
tions represent what remained of the law of 1790, after the 
Btatute of 1872 was passed, 
The most obvions remark upon the information îs that it 
does not allege that the master &quot;carried out&quot; any seamen; 
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Halsey V. TowNSHiP op New Peovidenoe, Eto. 
[Circuit Court, D. New Jersey. August 16, 1S80.) 
1. JuRiSDiCTiON — jVIunicipaIi Boiîds— Act op Maech 3, 1875.— Munici- 
pal bonds do not come within the prohibition of the aot of Mardi 3, 
1875, (18 St. 470,) which enaots that &quot;no circuit or district court stiall 
have cognizance of any suit f ounded on contract, in favor of an assignee, 
uniess a suit might have been prosecuted in such court to recover 
thereon, if no assignment had been made, except in cases of promis- 
sory notes, negotiable by the law mercliant, and bills of exchange.&quot; 
Demurrer to Eeplication. 
Nixon, D. J. The plaintiff, describing himself aa a resi- 
dent and citizen of the state of California, has brought this 
suit against the township of New Providence, in the county of 
Union, New Jersey, for the recovery of $15,000, principal and 
interest, due upon several bonds alleged to have been iesued 
by the defendant corporation. 
The declaration sets out the filing of the consent papers, 
with the aeSdavits annexed, required by the act of the legisla- 
ture authorizing the bonds ; the making and issuiug the same, 
with the recital upon their face of the authority under which 
they were issued; and that the plaintiff was the holder and 
bearer, by purchase, for a valuable consideration, in the open 
market. 
The defendants, after the general issue, plead specifically — 
(1,) that John M. Wiloox, who made the ae&amp;davits in the dec- 
laration mentioned, was not the assessor of the township in 
the year 1867; (2,) that the consent papers, authorizing the 
amount of money to be raised in the township, were not signed 
by a majority of the tax payera, as required by the statute; 
(3,) that the eommissioners, as such, did not borrow money 
on the faith of the township, nor negotiate the bonds for 
money; (4,) that the affidavit of Wilcox, the assessor, was 
not true, and that the persons whose names were signed to 
the consents did not, in 1867 or afterwards, constitute a ma- 
jority of the tax payers of the township, nor represent a ma- 
jority of the real property in value ; (5,) that the bonds were&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/375</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Thb Ibon SiiiVEB MiîTiNQ CoMPANT V. MuEPHT, and others. 
Ieon Mine v. Loella Mine. 
{District Court, D. Nevada. May 28, 1880.» 
1. MiNiNO CiiAiMS — Location — Lodb. — Where a location has been made 
upon the top or apex of a Iode, the miner ma}' follow it to any depih, 
although in Its downward course it may enter adjoining land. 
2. Same — Same — Same. — No location can bemade on the middle part of 
a Iode,&quot; or otherwise than at the top or apex, which will enable the 
locator to go beyond his line. 
5. Same— Same — Same. — Quœre, whetlier a location made on the dip of 
a vein would not be valld as against ono of a later date higher up. 
4L Same-t-Lode — &quot; Top or Apex.&quot; — The top or apex of a Iode is the end 
or edge or terminal point of the Iode nearest the surface of the earth. 
It is not required that it shall be on or near or within any given 
distanioe of the surface. If found at any depth, and the locator can 
deflne on the surface the area which will enclose it, the Iode may be 
held by such location. 
6. Bamb — Bamb — Samb. — A Iode gains a new end »r terminal point by 
detachment from a larger mass through the disruption and upheaval 
of the country in which such mass was situated. 
6. Same — Same — Same — Evidence. — In order to defeat a location upon a 
valuable part of a Iode, in any of the elements which attach to a 
proper location, by reason of the connection of the Iode with adjacent 
parts which are barren and worthless, the evidence should clearly 
establish the connection and unity of the several parts. 
Hallett, D. J., (ckarging jury.) I regret that it becomes 
necessary to ask you to consider a case as important as this 
at a late hour on Saturday evening, and after a week of such 
labor as you have endured. If we were not a busy people in 
this country we might, by going on for three or four hours 
each day, make it much more comfortable ail around, and I 
sometimes think that perhaps we would corne to better con- 
clusions if we could take a little more time for it. But you 
know how it is with us — we have to hurry along; everybody 
who cornes here as jurors and witn'esses seems to feel that 
within the next tbirty days there is something of great 
ijnportanoe to them to happen, to which they must give their 
Personal attention; and.sp we try to move in court according 
to the manuer of doing business lu the country in which we&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/379</title>
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npon all the maps which have been put up, from that point 
the vein extends away down to the Murphy shaft. A large 
part of the testimony has been directed to that point, and th« 
witnesses have all conourred in saying that the vein extends 
right along from one point to the other. We. used to have 
Bome controversy as to whether it could be pursued in that 
manner, if it declined by only a small degree, only a little 
from the plane of the horizon. The witnesses stated that it 
•was twelveor fifteen degreea below the plane of the horizon, 
and it used to be contended here in this court, and in other 
courts of the state, that they could not hold the vein if it de- 
clined in only a small degree from the plane of the horizon; 
they said that the law should be applied to veins which are 
more vertical in tbeir course, but we have heard nothing of 
that in this case. That point was decided against that view 
whenever it was made, and we have heard nothing of it in 
this case; it is not a question in issue, for it has not been 
raised, either by the instructions submitted to me, or requests 
to charge, or arguments of counsel. 
And then there is some question here as to the extent of 
the top or apex of the location, assuming that what they 
claim to be the top and apex is such ; there is some question 
here as to the extent of it along the course of the location 
from north to south. . You will remember the evidence about 
that drift that runs away oflf across the map down to the lef t, 
down to the northwest — I have sometimes to stop to get these 
directions myself, although I ought to be very familiar with 
them — down to the northwest, and which may tend to prove 
that out in that direction the top or apex of the Iode, if there 
is any, may be down lower below this claim and upon the 
Iron Hat, or somewhere down there. If that were a ques- 
tion in issue here we should have some difficulty about it, 
but it is not. As to this particular ground that is in con- 
troversy between the plaintiffs and defendants, it is agreed 
that if there is any top and apex whetever it is there along 
where the witnesses have explored the ground, and which 
they mentioned in their testimony, from along in those first 
workings to the north of the main incline, and not very fai&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/381</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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or gangue that may have been found on the western face of 
the limestone. It is not my purpose to go over the evidence 
on that point, or even to mention the principal points in it. 
That has been done by couneel, and you are to consider 
ail that has been brought before you on the subject. But 
I draw your attention to that theory, and say to you that 
if the vein or Iode was formed in the way supposed, in 
connection with a much larger extent of the same matter, 
and this part, detached from another, was brought into its 
present position by some movement of the country, occurring 
after the Iode was deposited, that circumstance will give it 
unity and individuality as distinguishing it from every part to 
the west of it. And, if that theory be correct, the occurrence 
of ore or gangue on the western face of the limestone is not 
material, for the uplifted part lying on the upper face or 
plane of the limestone to the eastward, having been detached 
from the mass of which it was originally a part, gains by 
that circumstance a new end or terminal point, by which it 
may be held. In that view the fissure, if any, on the western 
face of the limestone, occurring after the other in point of 
time, has a distinct character of its own, and if it carries ore 
may be taken and held as a distinct Iode.&quot; 
You understand, gentlemen, that it may be separated from 
the other, originating at a different time, and thus having a 
different character, although it connects, at the points men- 
tioned by witnesses, with the other fissure; it may be re- 
garded as a distinct body in it itself, which may be taken as 
Bucb, if it has anything in it of value. 
&quot;In that view, if you find that it is sustained by the evi- 
dence, the plaintiffs have the top and apex of the Iode in their 
location, and I do not discover any other point which should 
give you difficulty in arriving at a verdict for the plaintiffs. 
And, generally, in support of that view it should be borne in 
mind that a fissure on the western face of the limestone, de- 
Bcending with the slope of the hill, would seem from its posi- 
tion, and may appear from the evidence, to bave but little 
value; and if by taking it in connection with another fissure, 
standing at right angles with it, or nearly, the latter carrying&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/387</title>
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could not get the money from complainant without the signa- 
ture of Mrs. Werges to the note. 
In order, therefore, to get the money Kreuger forged the 
name of Mrs. Werges to the note. 
Perhaps he aasuined in his own mind that he might do this 
■with impunity, if not propriety, since by signing her name 
he would not substantially increase her liability, seeing that 
she had agreed to pledge her land by mortgage for the debt ; 
or it is possible that to Kreuger's mind it appeared that the 
name of Mrs. Werges to the note would, under the circum- 
stances, be at most a mere matter of form. 
The note and mortgage must be treated as one contract. 
The parties evidently so intended them. They were delivered 
togetber, and at the same time, as security for the debt. The 
complainant would not otherwise have received them, and 
advanced the money upon them. Considered in this light, 
they must be construed together, and their true character is 
that of accommodation paper. The paper was especially 
Bueh as to Mrs. Werges, who received no consideration what- 
everfor executing the mortgage. Casper A. Werges executed 
the note for the accommodation of the firm to which he be- 
longed, and his wife joined him in the mortgage to secure 
the same. She was clearly a surety for the firm of Kreuger 
&amp; Werges. She executed the mortgage for the accommodation 
of that firm. The note and mortgage were in form given to 
Kreuger, and made payable to his order, to enable him to 
indorse the note, and thus transfer both note and mortgage 
to the complainant as security for the money to be loaned by 
the plaintiff to the firm. 
While the note and mortgage were in the hands of Kreuger, 
and before the transfer, Kreuger forged Mrs. Werges' name 
to the note. He thus entirely ehanged her relation to the 
transaction. He made her a principal instead of a surety in 
the contract evideneed by the note and mortgage. Can it be 
doubted that the moment Kreuger ehanged the contract with- 
out Mrs. Werges' consent she was released? She signed the 
contract for the accommodation of the firm. A member of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/389</title>
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alone ; Aat Mrs. Werges undeniably executed the mortgage, 
and lier genuine signature to if. ; that the real consideration 
of the mortgage was the debt of $6,000 due from the ûrm of 
Werges &amp; Kreuger to the complainant; that the note was at 
most but evidence of that debt; and that the real purpose and 
intention of Mrs. Werges in giving the mortgage was to 
secure the debt. Hence, it ia argued that the provision of the 
mortgage, that it should stand as a security for the payment 
of the note of Casper A. Werges to B. H. Kreuger, was more 
a matter of form than substance, and that it can be no wrong 
to Mrs. Werges to compel payment by the sale of lier prop- 
erty of the very debt that she purposely pledged it to pay. 
It will be seen that this argument is exceedingly ingenions 
jnd plausible. It is, however, in my judgment, untenable. 
Mrs. Werges saw fit to pledge her land by mortgage to pay 
a note executed by her husband to Kreuger. Non constat 
that she would have mortgaged her property in any other 
form. If she had been asked to give a mortgage to secure 
ths debt of the firm of Kreuger &amp; Werges to the plaintiff, she 
might, for aught we know, bave refused. Parties may con- 
traot in a certain form, and they bave a right to do so. The 
law cannot change their contract, and hold them to the sub- 
stance of it in a wholly different form. 
The debt in this case was not Mrs. Werges'. The consid- 
eration did not move to her. Her property is bound for it 
only by virtue of her express contract. She cannot be made 
liable on the ground that she received the consideration, and 
therefore that, irrespeetive of the written evidence, she ia 
bound to pay the debt. She can be made liable for the debt 
only in pursuance of the terms of her written contract, and 
not otherwise. In order to have fixed her liability, or rather 
that of her property, it would bave been necessary, as the 
contract was actually made for Mersman, to present the 
note to Casper Werges, the maker, and protest it for non- 
payment. Setting aside the note as a part of the contract, 
and proceeding directly upon the mortgage, ik) demand, 
notice, or protest was necessary. In a word, by treating the 
note as a nullity, and proceeding directly on the mortgage, a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/391</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Jones ». Miller. 
{Cîrmit Court, D. Nebraska. , 1880.) 
1. BviDENOK— Record of Formes Suit — Idbntitt oï Controveest 
Where the question in oontroversy relates to the identity of certain 
land, record evidence ia admissible to show that the same oontroversy 
bas been litigated between the defendant and the plaintlfl's grantor, 
and determined by the state court. 
2. Same— Qrahtor and Gbantee — Adverse Possession. — The adverse 
holding of a grantor who bas given a warranty deed, must be estab- 
lished by clear and undoubted testimony, showing a change ia the 
relations of the parties towards the land. 
In Equity. 
John D. Howe and Geo, W. Amhrose, for complaînant, 
E. Wakeley, for defendant. 
MoCbary, g. J. This is a bill to quiet title to a tract of 
land in the city of Omaha, known as part of block 172|- in 
the Omaha City Gompany's survey. This snrvey was made 
prior to the time when the title of the United States was 
«xtinguished. The government title, however, subsequently 
Tested in one John A. Horhach, who made several deeds, 
describing the land conveyed by reference to said plat. It 
appears that lots were bought and sold during a considerable 
period of time by reference thereto, and that the plat was 
published and well known in the community. The principal 
question in dispute here is as to whether the land now in 
oontroversy is identical with said block 172J. Both parties 
claim under Horbach as a common source of title, and 
eaeh holds a deed for a tract of land coming from him 
through several meane conveyances. On the sixteenth of Jan- 
uary, 1868, Horbach conveyed by warranty deed, to one Moffat, 
eight lots in said block 172^; in February, 1858, Moffat con- 
veyed the same by the same description to B. F. Allen; and 
in March, 1876, Allen conveyed to defendant, Miller. In 
1872 Horbach conveyed the land now in controversy, by metea 
and bounds, without reference to the plat, to one Griffith, who 
in August, 1873, conveyed to plaintiff. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/401</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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fact in this case, it may be in the next one, and so the illus- 
tration will serve to test the correctness of the construction 
contended for. In such a case we should be called upon to 
order that the party guilty of usury, and liable for a penalty 
therefor, should relieve himself from such liability by credit- 
ing the amount of the penalty upon a worthless claim against 
a bankrupt estate. That would be to defeat the evident pur- 
pose of the law. I am of the opinion that the bank must 
pay the judgment obtained by the plaintiff as assignee. Its 
share of the proceeds of the judgment wiU go to the satisfac- 
tion of its claim, but no more. The money, when collected, 
must be distributed 'pro rata among creditors. 
The demurrer to the bill is overruled, and if the defendant 
stands upon its demurrer there will be deeree for plaintiff, 
reversing the order of the district court, and directing pro- 
ceedings in accordance with this opinion. 
Platt, Assignee, v. Pbeston and others. 
(District Court, 3. D. New Tm-k. July 26, 1880.) . 
1. Chattei, Mortoage— Filing— Bankrdptct.— The failure to fllo a 
chattel mortgage pursuant to the statute of the state of New York 
does net, par se, avoid the mortgage in favor of au assignee in bank- 
ruptcy. 
• iStewart v. Platt, 19 N. B. B. 347. 
In Equity. 
A. Bluvienskiel, for complainànt. 
B. F. Traey and Henry Brodhead, for defendant Preston. 
F. W. Angcll, for defendant Weinfeld. 
Ghoate, d. J. This is a bill in equity, brought by the assignee 
in bankruptcy of one Neumann, against William J. Preston, 
Montz Weinfeld, and Anthony J, Diekelman, to set aside, as 
fraudulent against the creditors of the bankrupt, a chattel 
mortgage given to the defendant Preston, a lease to the defend- 
dant Weinfeld, and a general assigument made to the defend- 
ant Diekelman, all of which are alleged to have been made&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/407</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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was seen, It îs claimed, on the part of the steamer, that tHe 
tug gave no signal previous to giving these two whistles, which' 
she heard and answered just before the collision. The proof, 
however, is, I ihink, satisfactory that before giving these two 
whistleS) and when the two vessels were considerably further 
apart, and just before the man in charge of the tug star- 
boarded his wheel to cros the bows of the steamer, he gave a 
signal of two whistles, which were not observed on board the 
steamer, and to which the steamer made no reply. Although 
the fîve witnesses from the steamer testify, with great posi- 
tiveness, that they were watching the tug, and heard no such 
signal, it is positively testified to by the man at the wheel of 
the tug, and he is corroborated by three impartial and intelli- 
gent witnesses from the schooner, which was then a little 
nearer to the tug than the steamer was. 
The master of the schooner had a good opportunity to ob- 
serve the tug. He noticed her when she blew the first two 
whistles. He observed that she immediately began to changa 
her course and draw in towards the Ward's island shore. He 
observed that the steamer did not reply. The distance between 
the steamer and the tug, when this first signal was given, can- 
not be determined with certainty. The testimony on that 
point is conflicting. I think the weight of the testimony ia 
that they were from an eighth to a quarter of a mile apart. 
It appears to have been about the time or very soon after the 
red light was seen from the steamer, and just about the time 
the steamer was lapping the schooner. 
It is objected by the learned counsel for the steamer that 
the change of course on the part of the tug cannot have been 
when the vessela were so far apart ; and it is thought to be 
demonstrated that this is so, because the course of the tug 
was only about 150 feet on the port hand of the course of the 
steamer, and, although the tug kept on her starboard wheel 
ail the time, after changing, she made only just distance 
enough to port to come up to the line the steamer was on be- 
fore the collision. Hence it is argued that she can have run 
only a very short distance under her starboard wheel. The 
demonstration, however, fails for want of certainty in the ele-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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no proof of a sudden or unexpected increaae in the wind or 
sea which might excuse the tug. It is said that a custom 
bas grown up of using boats and barges, in the coal trade, 
with what may be called, substantially, an open deck, — that 
is, without anydeck except anarrow planking along the sides 
of the boat, and a short deck at the two ends, — and that thia 
custom has grown out of the desire to save expanse in trim- 
ming the boat if the cargo is put on board at hatches. 
It is said, also, that although a boat so constructed can 
have, and sometimes has, a series of hatch covers, covering 
the entire opening in the deck, yet the practice has been to 
use sueh boats without any covering, as well as to use decked 
boats without any hatch coverings, in the carriage of coal 
between the coal ports of New Jersey and New York across 
the bay. It is claimed that this practice justifies tugs in tak- 
ing these open boats to tow across the bay even in winter 
time and through rough water, and that to hold the tug lia- 
ble in such a case will very injuriously affect the business of 
the tow-boats. I do not perceive that such a practice can 
affect the question. Many practices grow up in the naviga- 
tion of the seas, and gain more or less acquiescenee, partly 
from motives of self-interest, and partly from a supposed 
necessity of conforming one's business action to what others 
do under similar circumstances in the competition for em- 
ployment; but such practices, if inconsistent with the stand- 
ard of care and prudence which the courts of admiralty 
steadily adhere to for the preservation of life and property, 
can receive no countenance from the courts. 
It is, however, still insisted that the tug is not responsible 
for the loss of this boat because she was lost from the direct 
consequence of her want of hatch covers; that she was, for 
this reason, unseaworthy, and that a tug is not liable if the 
loss happens from the unseaworthiness of the boat taken in 
tow. It is undoubtedly true that a master of a boat, offering 
his boat to be towed, represents her as seaworthy, or fit for 
the voyage, and sufficiently strong, staunch, and sound to 
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The principal question of fact contested upon the trial was 
whether the sum ôf $633, for which a receipt was given by 
the libellant to the defendant, had, in fact, been paid. The 
■whole bill of repairs was $1,412.69. Libellant admits pay- 
ments on account amounting to $520. The libellant claims 
that this receipted bill for $633, for repairs to one of the 
sco-ws, was made ont and delivered, without any money being 
paid, at the defendant's request, to aid him in making out a 
claim for damages against a steamboat. The question de- 
pends mainly on the relative credibility of the libellant and 
his son, on the one hand, and of the defendant, on the other ; 
and, without going at large into the evidence, it is sufficient 
to say that, upon the whole proofs, I entertain no doubt what- 
ever that no money was paid upon the giving of this receipt. 
The defence set up in the answer, of a special agreement to 
do the whole work for $200, is not supported by any proof 
whatever. The question raised by the answer, as to the 
proper amount of libellant's bill, must be determined upon a 
reference. Whether the libellant's answers to the interroga- 
tories proposed by the defendant are to be deemed evidence 
in favor of the libellants, it is unnecessary now to determine. 
Decree for libellant for such balance, if any, as shall be 
found due upon a reference. The question of costs reserved 
till the coming in of the report of the commîssioner. 
Forsyth v. Thb Schoonër George A. Brandreth. 
(DUtriet Court, 8. B. Keu) York. July 27, 1880.) 
1. Collision— BUBDKN of Pboof not Sustained bt Libellaux 
In Admiralty. 
W. R. Beebe, for libellant. 
L. S. Oove, for claimant. 
Choatb, D. J. This is a libel browght by the owner of the 
Bchooner Justus E. Earle against the sohooner Çreorge A.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the defendant was to famish a main battery at Atohison, 
and instruments along the line for working the same, uot to 
exceed 12 in number, and the defendant was to control said 
telegraph line, fix tariff of rates, and keep said line in repair; 
the plaintiff famishing the operators, and paying the pro- 
eeeds of the business to the defendant. 
The railroad business was to be done without charge, ex- 
eept the eastern ^business in exoess of $1,200 per annum, 
which excess was to be at half rates; the defendant having 
the right to string another wire on said line at its own expense, 
which it has since done. 
The bill further alleges that said contract is nuU and void, 
being beyond its power to make, and in coi^travention of its 
rights and duties to the govemment and the public, under 
the said act of congress, and the amendments thereto, and 
alleging that it had taken and was in peaceable possession of 
its said line of telegraph, and praying an injunction against 
the defendant; that it be enjoined fromtaking possession, or 
interfering with plaintiff's possession, thereof, and that said 
contract be declared void, and that an account be taken 
bctween the said parties, etc. 
On this showing, Judge Otis, of the second district, grantei 
a temporary injunction or restraining order, and thereafter 
the defendant removed the cause to this court, and now 
moTes for a dissolution of said injunction. 
For the purposes of this motion it is not my intention to 
discuss any points of law fairly decided by Judge McCrary 
in the Omaha case, [AU. dd Pacific Tel. Co. v. Union Pacifie Ry. 
Co. 1 Fed, Eep. 745,] but shall attempt to apply that decision, 
BO far as practicable, to the facts in this case. Under the 
thirteenth section of the act of July 1, 1862, this company, 
plaintiff, was granted the right to build 100 miles of railroad 
and telegraph, west of the Missouri river, upon the same terms 
and conditions, in ail respects, ae were provided for the con* 
struction of the railroad and telegraph line of the Union 
Pacific Eailroad Company. So it will be seen that the 
rights, privileges, and duties of the plaintiff company were 
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McCeary, 0. J. The demurrer to the original bill having 
been sustained on the ground of the immorality of a materiai 
part of the contract,* set out and made the sole basis of the 
relief sought, the plaintiiï filed an amended bill, which is 
now before me for consideration ; oounsel having agreed that 
the motion to dissolve the injunction shall be regarded as a 
general demurrer to the amended bill. The part of the con- 
tract held vicions is the clause providing for the transmission 
free of charge of private, social, and family messages of the 
executive officers of the railway company. 
The amended bill makes certain averments, intended to 
show the right of plaintiff to recover, notwithstanding the in- 
sertion of this vicions clause in the original contract. 
The question to be determined is the suffioiency of these 
averments, or of any of them, to entitle plaintiff to the relief 
Bought. 
1. The plaintiff now claims that it is rightfully in posses- 
sion of the right of way, and of the telegraph line in question, 
by virtue of the provisions of the act of congress of July 2, 
1864, entitled &quot;An act for increased facilities of telegraph 
communication between the Atlantic and Pacific states, and 
the terri tory of Idaho.&quot; I had occasion to comment upon 
this act in my opinion upon the demurrer to the original bill, 
and the conclusion reached was that the act was intended to 
authorize the United States Telegraph Company, either with 
or without the consent of the railway company, to construct 
and operate a line of telegraph along and upon the right of 
way of the railway company. Whether this right was as- 
signed and transferred to the present plaintiS by a valid con- 
tract, was not considered, and that question is now to be 
determined. The allegations of the amended bill, being 
admitted, sufBciently show that the United States Telegraph 
Company had, by virtue of the laws of New York, by which 
it was created, a right to make an assignment and transfer 
of ail its franchises and property to another telegraph com- 
pany. 
Counsel for respondents insist, however, that this right was 
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Unes in controversy which a court of equitj should protect, 
independently of the contract of October 1, 1866. It was not&quot; 
a trespasser upon the right of way of the railway Company. 
tVithout a contract it had a right to go there and construct 
itslines; and, having expended itsmeans with the consent of 
the railway company in constructing the existing Une, the 
defendants must not take possession of it by force, and with- 
out making compensation. It is not material to determine 
whether the right of way along the railway, and over its right 
of way, was also granted by the act of July 24, 1866, for if 
so no additional rights were oonferred. As to a part of the 
Une, the right of the plainti'ff outside of the contract is, accord- 
ing to the allegations of the amended bill, very clear. It is 
averred that prior to 1865 the United States Telegraph Com- 
pany, with the assent of the railway company, entered upon 
the right of way of the last-named company west of Lawrence, 
as it had a right to do under the act of Congress of July 2, 
1864, and that in the year 1865, under said right to enter 
upon said right of way, and construct and operate such Une 
of telegraph, it had constructed a Une of telegraph from Law- 
rence to Fort Eiley, a distance of 97 miles, and had also 
entered into a contract for the construction and delivery 
to it of a Une of telegraph from Lea-venworth to Lawrence, 
and for the residue of the Une between Fort Eiley and Den- 
ver ; such Unes to be constructed and ready for operation as 
fast as said railroad should be constructed. It is further 
averred that said United States Telegraph Company proceeded 
in the construction of said Une of telegraph, until 1866, with- 
out objection on the part of the railway company, and was, 
in 1866, in possession of a Une of telegraph from Lawrence 
to Fort Eiley, and was engaged in operating the same, and 
was engaged in constructing the residue of its Une between 
the mouth of the Kansas river and Denver, and between Law- 
rence and Leavenworth, and had collected a considerable 
amount of material therefor. The rights and property here 
described existed in the United States Company, and were 
assigned to the plaintiff prior to the execution of the contract 
of October 1, 1866, and they were, in my view, vested in the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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demurrer, there will be a deoree oontinuîng the injunction in 
force unta final decree settling the respective rights of the 
parties can be had. State of Georgia v. Bruelesford, 2 Dali. 
i06, 408. 
Thb Westeen Union Tblegraph Companï v. The St. Joseph 
&amp; Western Eailwat Company and otherg. 
{OirMit Oourt, D. Kanta». July 81, 1880.) 
1. iLLEGAii CoNTRACT — Remedy — INJONCTION. — A court of equlty will 
enjoin the seizure of property and the ejectment of the possessor, 
although the same may have been acquired under an illegal contract, 
until an application bas been made for the cancellation of auch con- 
tract, and a fuU and falr settlement of ail accounts growing out of itg 
execution in the past. 
2. CoRpoBATioN— Ratification. — A corporation, Uke an individual, may 
ratify by its acts the terms of a contract by which it would not, with- 
out guch ratiflcatioa, be bound. 
8. CtoNTBACT— Spkcipic Perfcbmanoe—Injunction.— Although specifie 
performance of a contract requiring the performance of continuons 
duties will not be enforced, a court of equlty will, nevertheless, en- 
join its violation. 
In Equity. Demurrer to Bill. 
Woodson e Crosby, W. C. Wehb, Peck, Ryan &lt;e Johnson, 
Karnes e Eas, Williams e Thompson and C. Beckwith, for com- 
plainant. 
John Doniphan and Everest d Waggener for defendants. 
McCbaey, c. J. This case bas been argued and submit- 
ted upon demurrer to the bill. The material facts, as they 
are stated in the bill, are as follows. 
1. On the tenth day of August, 1871, the Western Union 
Telegraph Company, and the St._ Joseph &amp; Denver City 
Eailroad Company, entered into a written contract, whereby, 
upon certain terms and conditions, a line of telegraph was to 
be constructed, maintained, and operated along the line of 
said railroad. Each company was to contribute, as specified 
in the contract, certain material arid service in the construc- 
tion, maintenance, and operation of the line.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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acquired under it, and growing out of its execution in the 
past. 
4. It is said that the contract requires the performance of 
continuons duties, and therefore specifie performance will 
not be decreed. This is true, but a court of equity may, nev- 
ertheless, enjoin the violation. Pomeroy on Specifie Perform- 
ance, §§ 24, 25, 310, 311, and 312. 
6. I am not prepared at present to decide that the defend- 
ants may not be able to show that the contract in question 
ought to be cancelled by decree of this court ; that is a ques- 
tion which can only be determined upon final hearing. In 
cases of this character, when the contract requires continuons 
service for a series of years, and where the parties disagree, 
even if the contract is not absolutely void, a court of equity 
may decree a dissolution of relations between them, upon a 
free settlement of their accounts, and payment of any bal- 
ances. 
What I Tvish to emphasize in this case, as well as in other 
similar cases, is that the defendants have no right to take 
their remedy into their own hands. If they have the right 
to seize this property by force, upon the ground that they 
hold the contract void, according to the same reasoning the 
plaintiff would have the right to adjudge the contract valid, 
and by force retake the property. In other words, force and 
violence would take the place of law, and mobs would be sub- 
stituted for the process of courts of justice. The strongest 
litigant, the one commanding the largest force of men and 
the most money, would succeed. 
Such a doctrine, if recognized by the courts as a proper 
mode of adjusting disputes concerning property rights, would 
lead at once to anarchy. 
If the defendants, after years of acquiescence in the con- 
tract in question, after receiving its benefits, and after a 
property had been built up under it to which others made 
claim, became suddenly convinced that it was a void contract, 
it was their duty to apply to the courts for relief, praying a 
cancellation of the contract, and a fuU and fair settlement of 
ail accounts growing out of its execution in the past.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of the defendant that the security given by the first bohd'^as 
not adequate to cover Ma probable damages in the case. The 
condition of the bond is substantially the same as the first. 
The allegations are that, in defending this suit, the com- 
plainant was put to a large expense for solicitors' and attor- 
neys' fees, which the obligors bave not paid; also, that he 
sustained a large amount of damage by the breaking up of 
bis business, and that he is entitled to recover the amount of 
damages sustained in consequence of the issuing of the 
injunction. These are substantially the breaches that are 
assigned to this bond. 
The defendant demurs on the ground that no damages 
were awarded at the time of the trial of the cause, and there- 
fore the defendant, who, it appears, signed the bond solely as 
surety, is not liable. It is easy to see why the bond was drawn 
in the manner in which it is. The praotice of the state courts 
in this state since 1861 bas been to award such damagas, upon 
the trial or dissolution of an injunction, as the defendant may 
have sustained by reason of the issue of the injunction; and 
probably the counsel used the state court form in preparing 
the bond, and it was not examined by the court ; and prob- 
ably the only question raised by counsel was as to the suf- 
ficiency of the surety. The demurrer, therefore, goes to the 
question as to whether tiie surety in these two cases is liable 
upon the facts stated in the declaration, it being perhaps con- 
ceded that there were no damages awarded by the court to 
the defendant at the time of the dissolution of the injunction, 
or the final hearing of the case. It is not averred any dam- 
ages were awarded, and it was said on the argument of this 
demurrer that none were, and that the practice of this court 
did not allow the awarding of damages under such circum- 
stances. 
An examination of the authorities which have been cited 
has satisfied me that this action cannot le maintained against 
the surety upon this bond. I do not care to cite more than 
the case of Bein v. Heath, 12 How. 168, which was a case 
j)recisely similar to this. The court there says: &quot;But the 
bond in the case before us is not one to pay the damagea&lt;noinclude&gt;
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except so far as by the statute of the Unîted States the juris- 
diction is reserved to the state courts. That statuts contains 
the proviso &quot;saving to suitors in all cases the right of a com- 
mon-law remedy, where the common law is competent to give 
it. &quot; 1 U. S. St. 77, § 9 ; Vose v. Cockcroft, 44 N. Y. 415-425. 
The question, then, is whether the remedy given by the 
state court, under the act of 1869, is a common-law rem- 
edy, -which the common law, as understood in the act of 
congress, was competent to give. I think it entirely clear 
that the remedy was not a common law remedy, nor one 
which the common law, so understood, was competent to 
give. It is too clear for argument that the action is not 
a common-law action, either in its form or effect, or in the 
nature of the judgment. It is more in the nature, both in 
its form and in the character of the remedy given, of a bill in 
equity to foreclose a mortgage. The reservation of the aci 
of congress relates to weU-known forms of action and reme- 
dies, distinguished alike from those prosecuted in rem in 
courts of admiralty, and from those that are peculiar to courts 
of equity. Equitable remedies, and those which it was com- 
petent for equity to give, are not saved where the suit ia 
brought for the enforcement of a maritime contract. It is 
no answer to say that the proceeding is not strictly in rem 
because it affects only the right or title of certain defendants 
against whom the suit is brought. That which is saved to 
the Buitor is not all forms of action, and all remedies other 
than actions and remedies strictly in rem, but only common- 
law remedies. It is no answer to say that the lien sought to 
be enforced is not a maritime lien, but strictly a common-law 
lien. That does not make the new remedy given by this 
statute a common-law remedy. No lien created by a state 
law, whether it be by the unwritten and traditional law, which 
coUectively we caU the common law, or by express statute, ia 
a maritime lien. Maritime liens are created and exist only 
by force of the maritime law. The Belfast, 7 Wall. 624-644. 
Thus the lien given by state statute to a material man 
ftgainst a vessel is not a maritime lien. Yet a court of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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find no reported case in which this precise question Las been 
discussed and decided, and it will be necessary, therefore, to 
refer to the series oî legislation upon the subject. The act of 
March 3, 1865, section 16, provided that &quot;no obscene book, 
pamphlet, picture, print, or other publication of a vulgar and 
indecent character&quot; should be admitted into the mails, and 
punished their deposit therein. The act of June 8, 1872, 
section 148, added to the prohibited matter &quot;any letter upon 
the envelope of which, or postai card upon which, scurrilous 
epithets may have been written or printed,&quot; and prescribed a 
penalty for deposit of any &quot;suoh obscene publications.&quot; Then 
foUowed the acts of March 3, 1873, and July 12, 1876, which 
will be referred to hereafter. 
It is evident that no statute, prior to 1873, declared an 
obscene private letter contraband. Such a letter is net a 
&quot;book,&quot; &quot;pamphlet,&quot; &quot;picture,&quot; or &quot;print,&quot; and is not cov- 
ered by the words &quot;other publication,&quot; because they refer 
only to the classes specifically named. 
In the case of WoodhuU, (S. District N. Y., June, 1873,) 
Judge Blatchford held that as the word &quot;newspaper&quot; was not 
mentioned in the act of 1872, it was not included within the 
meaning of the Words &quot;other publications;&quot; that the statute 
being penal, muat be strictly construed, and it meant that, 
with other publications of the same character, books, pam- 
phlets, and prints were included. In the act of 1876 the 
language is &quot;obscene book, paper, writing, print, or other 
publication,&quot; which means, acoording to the rule of construc- 
tion laid down in the WoodhuU Case, that among the publica- 
tions prohibited were obscene books, writings, and prints. It 
would seem, therefore, that congress intended the statute to 
embrace only such writings aa are &quot;publications&quot; within the 
meaning of the law. 
A &quot;publication&quot; is defined in the dictionaries as a book or 
writing published, especially one offered for sale or to public 
notice; and to publish is defined to issue, to make known 
what before was private, to put into circulation. Writings 
are either printed matter or manuscript. The idea of pub- 
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ehows that it was so treated by them, and mutual concessions 
were made, very slight on the part of the crediter and very 
large on the part of the assignee, to effect the settlement. 
Yet the court itself is restricted by the general orders, so that 
it cannot authorize the compounding of a claim without notice 
to creditors, (general order 17,) or at any rate cannot author- 
ize a compromise except upon testimony, and upon a petition 
&quot;clearly and distinctly&quot; setting forth &quot;the subject-matter of the 
eontroversy, and the reasons U'hy the assignee tkinks it proper, 
and most for the interest of the creditors, that it should be set- 
tled.&quot; General order 20. Yet tbis assignee undertook to 
compromise this matter himself, which clearly he had no 
power to do, and then, to give an apparent sanction to the 
settlement already agreed to, he united with the creditor, to 
■whose great advantage the settlement was made, in present- 
ing the matter to the court, not as a matter in controversy or 
a disputed claim that was to be compounded and settled, but 
as a case of an unquestioned claim against the estate for 
which the creditor held seourities of less value than the debt, 
which he offered to take in full satisfaction thereof . The case 
thus presented was a clear case for the granting of the order. 
The real case, which was concealed, was a case on which, 
according to the settled practice of the court, and under the 
general orders, it would have directed an inquiry by reference 
and notice to creditors. 
The relation of the parties was such as to suggest the sus- 
picion that this concealment of the real case from the court 
was an intended concealment, designed for the benefit of this 
creditor ; but I have preferred to consider the case as free 
from intended fraud or deceit. 
There is no question of the right of any crediter to make 
this application. He is interested in the distribution of the 
estate, and can apply to the court to bave an order which, 
through mistake or fraud, has been improperly made, to the 
prejudice of the creditors, vacated and set aside. If he has 
been buying up claims against the bankrupt, or has a Per- 
sonal motive in prosecuting this proceeding other than bis 
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On the other branch of the case, as to keepîng proper books: 
of account, I have had mach more difficulty. The case in 
this respect stands in a peculiar position. Though it appears 
that very extensive books were kept all through the years of 
the life of the firm, the defendant's attorney stating that he 
shipped two dry goods boxes full away from the office of the 
assignee in bankruptey, to ■whom the bankrupts turned them 
over, to the purchaser of the partnership effects from the 
assignee, still, these books are not before the court, nor bas 
any witness been swom in regard to the sufficiency of these 
books, except S. A. Jewett, the bankrupt, who did not keep 
them, and says he knows but little about them. A good deal 
of discussion was had as to where the burden of proof lies in 
such a case, the attorney for the opposing creditors insisting 
that it is upon the bankrupt to show and satisfy the court 
that the books were properly kept. 
But, in the circumstances of this case, it appearing that 
full sets of books were kept by regular book-keepers, hired 
and kept for that purpose ; that they were all regularly turned 
over by the bankrupts with the other property to the assignee 
in bankruptey, kept by him in his office all during the pend- 
ency of the proceedings, subject to examination and in- 
spection by the creditors, and when the proceedings in bank- 
ruptey were closed, and the property all sold to one purchaser, 
nnder the order of the court, the books were turned over to 
Buch purchaser with the other property, and taken away to 
different parts of the country, I think the burden of showing 
to the court that the books were not properly kept lies with 
the creditors, who allege it in their specifications. The bank- 
rupt was notiiied to produce the books on the trial of the speci- 
fications, tiled by the creditors in opposition to his discharge. 
His answer, under oath, is that he is not able to do so ; that 
they are not his, nor under his coutrol, and that he bas neither 
time nor money to enable him to bring them before the court. 
I think it a good answer. And the truth is, that without 
the books there is not evidence enough before the court to 
determine with any satisfaction whether the books were kept 
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Argued ty J.R.Barton, Jacob Miller and A. M. Watson, 
representing various interests. 
AcHESoN, D. J. James Petrie filed in this court his libel 
against the steam-tug Coal Bluff No. 2, a vessel belonging to 
the port of Pittsburgh, and engaged in navigating the rivers 
Allegheny, Mouongahela, and Ohio. Process having issued 
against the boat, she was seized, and was subsequently con- 
«lemned, and was sold by the marshal, who paid into the reg- 
istry of the court the proceeds of sale. 
AU claims for wages, (except that of John N. McCurdy,) 
and all other maritime liens against the vessel, have been paid 
eut of the proceeds of the sale. There still remains in the 
registry of. the. court, for distribution, the sum of $3,127.82. 
The claimants upon this f und are — First, John N. McCurdy, 
who filed an intervening libel for his wages as engineer; and, 
second, domestic creditors of the boat, claiming liens under 
the Pennsylvania statute of April 20, 1858, (1 Purdon, 97,) 
which applies to &quot;ail ships, steam-boats, or vessels navigating 
the rivers Allegheny, Mônongaîiela, and Ohio,&quot; rri'said state. 
This aot gives a lien &quot;for all debts contracted&quot; by the owner 
or owners, master, etc., of any such ship, steam-boat, or ves- 
sel, &quot;f Or or on account of Ivork and labor done, or materials 
îurnished, by boat builderp', engine builders, boiler ma^^ers, 
lumbermen, boat-store and provision fumishers, carpenters,&quot; 
etc., &quot;in the building, repairing, fitting, furnishing, or equip- 
ping such ships, steam or other boat or vessels.&quot; 
1. John N. McCurdy was the engineer of the boat, and there 
was due him at the time of the seizure, on account of his 
wages, the sum of $1,700. But he was also one of the owners 
of the boat. Whether or not he could ma^ntain a libel against 
his own boat for a debt due, in part at least, from himself 
to himself, or, as between himself and co-owners, might claim 
a lien against the vessel or her proceeds, are questions which 
it is not necessary to consider; for the fund for distribu- 
tion is insuffieient to pay the creditors of the boat whose 
claims were liens by virtue of the Pennsylvania statute. Now, 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/541</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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19 Ho-vf. 239, and The Lottawanna, 21 Wall. 558, 582, — a prac- 
tice whioli permits any party having an interest in such fund 
to apply by petition to have his claim satisfied out of the 
same, and this although the petitioner cannot prosecute a suit 
in admiralty. In view, then, of the changed condition of the 
case, it becomes unnecessary to consider the question raised 
in the commissioner's report, and by exceptions thereto, and 
discussed by counsel, whether state statutes may create liens 
for debts incurred in building, and furnishing materials for 
building, vessels, which will be enforceable in admiralty, as is 
affirmed by Mr. Conckling, (volume 1, page 104,) by Mr. 
Benedict, (section 270,) and by Mr. Desty in his late manual 
on Shipping and Admiralty, (section 90,) and as was ruled 
affirmatively by Judge Story, in Read v. New Brig, 1 Story, 
244, and by Judge Hopkinson in Davis v. New Brig, GUpin, 
473, 
None of these domestic creditors have maritime liens. It 
is only by virtue of the Pennsylvania statute that any of them 
have liens; and the statute makes no distinction between 
debts contracted in the building of a vessel, and debts for 
supplies or repairs to her. They are all equally made liens. 
It is plain, therefore, that a party who must resort to this 
statute to maiutain a footing at all in this court cannot suc- 
cessfully call in question the right of another claimant, and 
clearly conferred by the same statute. Whoever else may be 
heard to assert that a contraet for building a vessel is not a 
maritime contraet, or in the nature thereof, it is certain that 
he cannot, upon that ground, defeat the builder's lien given 
by the statute. But it has been further urged, against the 
claim of MeCaskey &amp; Kerr, who built the huU of the Coal 
Bluff No. 2, and furnished the materials there/or, that they 
were contractors to build the hull, and, upon the authority of 
Walker v. Anslmtz, 6 Watts &amp; Ser. 619, not entitled to a 
lien. But that case arose under the Pennsylvania act of 
1836, which is legs broad than the act of 1S58. The latter 
act was construed by the supreme court of the state in the 
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congress, and that such occupancy does not constitute own- 
ership. It is further alleged in the answer that the Kernan 
town lots are held by the plaintiff under the provisions of the 
town-site act of congreBs, and that he has never had posses- 
sion, and his claim under said act of congress is fraudulent 
and void. After the filing of this answer, upon motion of de- 
fendant the cause was removed to this court on the ground 
that the case is one arising under the said acts of congress. 
Plaintiff moves to remand, because — Fïrst, the case does 
ûot arise under the constitution of the United States, the 
laws &gt; of congress, or a treaty of the United States ; second, 
the application was not filed in time; third, no sufficient 
bond is filed, as required by law. 
1. That the record presents for adjudication a federal ques- 
tion, to-wit, the construction of the homestead and town-site 
acts of congress is clear; but, inasmuch as the question of the 
construction of these acts is raised by the answer, the question 
presents itself whether the case is one arising under them. The 
removal act of 1875 (section 2, act of March 3) employs, in 
defining the causes that may be removed, substantially the 
same language used in the constitution to define the jurisdic- 
tion of the federal courts : 
&quot;The judicial power shall extend to ail cases in law and in 
equity arising under this constitution, the laws of the United 
States, and the treaties made, or which shall be made, under 
their authority.&quot; Const. art. 3, § 2. 
&quot;Any suit of a civil nature, at law or in equity, • ♦ * 
arising under the constitution or laws of the United States, 
or treaties made, or which shall be made under their author- 
ity, * * » * either party may remove, &quot; etc. Section 
2, act of March 3, 1876. 
It is manifest that the words &quot;arising under the constitution 
or laws of the United States&quot; mean the same thing in the 
act of congress and in the constitutional provision. These 
words have been frequently construed by the supreme court. 
Thus, in Cohens v. Virginia, 6 Wheat. 264, it is said : &quot;A case 
in law or equity consists of the right of one party, as well as 
of the other, and may truly be said to arise under the consti-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/559</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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will be restrained, at least, until a final hearing, when all 
the facts will be before the court, and the rights of all parties 
be fully considered and adjusted. 
It is true that ordinarily, -where a right common to all ia 
abused, or so used as to cause damage, the injured party 
must seek redress by an action at law; but where congresa 
has assumed jurisdiction of a river in the interest of com- 
merce, I think it not doubtful that the equitable arm of the 
court oan furnish relief against any threatened injury to any 
improvements made under its authority. It would undoubtedly 
be proper, and perhaps advisable, for the government to ex- 
tend its improvements in aid of this branch of commerce, and 
adopt a more perfect system by erecting suitable structures to 
obviate all difficulties in the way of a free and unrestricted 
water carriage of logs at this point ; but that a more compre- 
hensive system has not been adopted, is no answer to the 
claim that improvements already made should be protected. 
Unless the boom company, or the owners of logs,. provide 
means to prevent their passage over the apron when let loose, 
or guide them in the sluice-way, if they are designed to be 
transported below the falls, an injunetion will issue, and it ia 
Bo ordered. See Blackbird Marsh Co. 2 Pet. 245 ; Gilman v. 
Philadelphia, 3 Wall. 713; United States v. Dnhith, 1 Dillon 
469, and authorities; Pound v. Turck, 95 U. S. 459; Hecrman 
\. JBeef Slough Mamtf'g Co. 1 Fed. Eep. 145. 
Barnasd and others v. Habt and others. 
(Cireuit Court, D. Massachuseit». August 14, 1880.) 
WBrr OF Entrt — Mesne Profits. — Where judgment has been recov- 
ered under a writ of entry, the demandants are entitled to mesne prof- 
its from the date of the tcnant's entry, where it had been expressly 
stipulated that the transfer of the property should not prejudice or 
impair the right of the demandants in and to the title and possession 
of the property, and the tenants claimed title adrerse to the demanda 
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decree. The assessor reports that French's wharf adjoins 
the location of the railroad, and was occupied by the tenants 
from August 17, 1871, until after the date of the writ, as a 
part of their railroad terminus in Boston. The demandants 
■were not made parties to the foreclosure suit, but at the time 
of the transfer of the property from the receivers to the ten- 
ants the latter signed, under seal, and delivered to the de- 
mandants, paper &quot;E,&quot; which is as follows: 
&quot;Whereas, the undersigned have been appointed trustees of 
the Berdell mortgage of the Boston, Hartford &amp; Erie Eailroad 
Company; and, whereas, certain persons bave been or may 
hereafter be appointed assignees in bankruptcy of said Com- 
pany ; and, whereas, it is deemed forthe interest of ail the cred- 
itors of said corporation that the property of said corporation 
heretofore placed in the hands of receivers appointed by the 
courts of Massachusetts, Counecticut, and Rhode Island should 
be transf erred to said trustees ; and, whereas, said assignees 
forbear to oppose said transfer of said entire property to said 
trustees, and in consideration thereof, and for divers other 
good and valuable considerations, in thereto moving, we, the 
undersigned, in our said capacity, stipulate and agree that 
the decrees in any of said courts, heretofore or hereafter 
made, transferring said property to us, as aforesaid, shall 
not prejudice or impair the right of said assignees in bank- 
ruptcy in and to the title or possession of any of said prop- 
erty. 
&quot;Witness our hands and seals this twelfth day of August, A. 
D. 1871.&quot; 
The demandants accepted the paper, and forebore to make 
any opposition to the decrees, or to the transfer of the prop- 
erty to the tenants. The assessor reports as follows : &quot;I find 
that the tenants claimed title from the date of the entry, 
August 17, 1871 ; that the demandants wished the tenants to 
take possession, and were understood by the tenants to assent 
to their doing so, subject to whatever was reserved by said 
argreement 'E;' and that the demandants assented to the 
terms of said agreement 'E.' I do not find one way or the 
other as to the existence of a license apart from the following&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/563</title>
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In re Hincklet, Eeceîver, etc. 
{Circuit Court, 8. D. Illinois. July 21, 1880.) 
1. EECEIVEK— COMPENSATIOlf — JURISDIOTION — KES AdJUDICATA — StATB 
AND Fedbbal Couets. — A. was appointee! a receiver of a ratlroad : 
flrst, under a suit instituted by the stockholders ; and, second, under 
a suit brouglit by the bond holders of a railroad Company in a state 
court. The bond holders' suit was subsequently removed to the fed- 
eral court, where certain questions connected with the compensation 
of the receiver were referred to a special master, who found a balance 
due from the receiver, which he was ordered to pay. Upon appeal 
this order was affli'med by the United States supreme court. There- 
upon the stockholders' suit, which had been stricken from thodocket 
of the state court, was re-instated, and the question of the compensa- 
tion of the receiver referred to a master by the state court, who found 
a large amount due to the receiver for compensation and necessary ex- 
penditures. The bond holders took no part, however, in these pro- 
ceedings in the state court. Hdd, under the circumstances of thia 
case, that, where the receiver had paid into the federal court the 
amount decreed as due from him in the bond holders' suit, he could 
not, upon petition to the federal court, have such amount appropri- 
ated'in part payment of what had been found due to him in the stock- 
holders' suit by the state court. 
A. Biddle Rolerts, for bondbolders. 
Higgins, Furber e Cothsan, for Hinkley. 
Drtjmmond, C. J. The petitioner was appointed receiver 
of \he railroad, and took possession of it under the order of 
the circuit court of McLean county, in the case of Kelly, in 
December, 1873, in a suit brought by the stockholders of the 
railroad company. In June, 1875, certain bond holders of the 
railroad company filed a bill in the circuit court of McLean 
county, asking for a foreclosure of a trust deed which had 
been given to secure the bonds. This was a suit independent 
of the Kelly suit. At the same time, the trustees named in 
the said deed of trust became parties to the suit brought by 
the bond holders, and on August 11, 1875, the petitioner was 
directed to transfer, and did transfer, ail the property in his 
possession to the trustees. 
It would appear that, between the date of the bill filed by 
the bond holders and the time of this order for the transfer.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/571</title>
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o-wners of steam-boats have control over the men on board as 
passengers, and therefore this statùte cornes in and deprives 
them of the ordinary control which, but for it, they would 
have the right to exercise. The supreme court of the United 
States, however, ha s gone so far upon this subject, we do not 
feel inclined to question, as it is not neoessary in this case, the 
validity of this act of congress, supported by the decisions in 
the Warehouse and other cases. 
The first section of this statute declares that ail persons 
within the jurisdiction of the United States (it will be observed 
that the word &quot;persons&quot; is used) shall be entitled to the full 
and equal enjoyment of the accommodations, advantages, 
facilities and privileges of any public conveyanee on land or 
•water, theaters, and other places of public amusement, sub- 
ject only to the conditions and limitations established by law, 
and applicable alike to citizens of every race and color, 
regardiess of any previous COùdition of servitude. 
It will be observed that the statute drops the word &quot;per- 
sons,&quot; which it bas used in the first part of the section, and 
employs the word &quot;citizens.&quot; 
The second section declares that a,nj person who shall vio- 
late the foregoing section by denying to any citizen, except 
for reasons by law applicable to citizens of every race and 
color, and regardiess of any previous condition of servitude, 
the full enjoyment of the accommodations, advantages, facili- 
ties, and privileges in said section enumerated, shall forfeit 
and pay, etc., (declaring the penalty.) 
Now, it would seem there was a change of words for a rea- 
Bon, and therefore we think we must construe the second sec- 
tion, which imposes the penalty, so as to apply it to the deniai 
by any person of a right belonging to a citizen of the United 
States, and not to one who may be a foreigner and not natural- 
ized. It reads : &quot;Any person who shall violate the foregoing 
section by denying to ' citizens,' except for reasons applicable 
to 'citizens' of every race and color, etc., this right.&quot; 
But there is no allegation, in this indictment, of the citi- 
zenship of the person who is deprived of this right, E. A. Mc- 
Arthur. It is said, in fact, though of course that is outside&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/583</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642352</id>
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gàted shall be liable,&quot; does not seem to impose a penalty for 
taking an excessive number of passengers, under section 
4465, but for a violation of those provisions of the title impos- 
ing conditions concerning the equipment, etc., of the vessel 
prior to its entering on its proposed navigation. Section 4499 
is a re-enactment of the Statutes of 1871, c. 100, § 1 ; and a 
similar section in the prior aot of 1852, (chapter 106, § 1,) was 
thus construed. The Science, 2 Pittsb. 446. I think, there- 
fore, that section 4499 does not afïect the present question. 
4. The further exceptions, that the libel does not allege that 
the libellant is the informer, or that he sues as informer, or 
that the passengers taken on board are not named, have no 
merit. 
5. The exception taken that the libel claims more than 
one penalty is not well taken, because the statute olearly 
gives a separate penalty for every violation of the act ; nor 
is there any force in the suggestion that the only penalty 
given for ail the passengers illegally taken on board is a 
single sum of $10, and the passage money of the extra pas- 
sengers. This is in plain contradiction of the language used 
which measures the penalty by the number of extra passen- 
gers, making it equal to a sum of $10 for each one, and the 
passage money. The cases cited to support this exception 
are cases under statutes having no such terms as this ia 
framed in. 
6. The point made that this court has no jurisdiction as to 
the second claim made, because the passengers are aUeged to 
have been taken on board at or near Sandy Hook, in the 
state of New Jersey, is not well taken, because, as the stat- 
ute gives a lien enforceable in the admiralty, and is not, in 
its terms, restrictive as to the court that may entertain juris- 
diction, any court within whose territorial jurisdiction the 
vessel may be at the time of the commencement of the suit, 
and the attachment of the vessel by the marshal, has juris- 
diction of the cause. 
The other grounds of exception are not well taken. They 
do not appear to require special comment. 
Exceptions overruled, with leave to answer within one week.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/585</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642354</id>
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merchant shipping act, (17 and 18 Vict. c. 104,) which pro- 
vides that when the master or owner, without suf&amp;cient cause, 
refuses or neglects to pay the wages of the seamen within 
the time fixed by the statute, which, as applicable to thia 
vessel, was within five days after their discharge, he shall pay 
them a sum not exceeding the amount of two days' pay for 
each of the days, not exceeding 10 days, during which pay- 
ment is so delayed. The vessel bas been sold under a decree 
of the court, and the proceeds, amounting to $2,075, have 
been paid into the registry of the court. Various parties 
bave appeared, claiming liens on the vessel for materials and 
supplies. The amounts due them have not been adjusted» 
but the fund in court is insufficient to pay in f uU the seamen, 
the master, and these other parties, if their claims shall be 
established. A mortgagee bas also appeared as claimant of 
the surplus proceeds of the vessel. The amount due the sea- 
men for wages and extra pay is not contested, but it is 
objected, on behalf of the mortgagee and the other parties 
who bave presented their claims, that the seamen have no 
lien for their extra pay, and that the master bas no lien for 
bis wages ; or, at any rate, that he has not a prior lien to that 
of those who bave furnisbed materials and supplies. 
I think the extra pay due to the seamen is to be treated as 
wages, for which they bave a prior lien on the vessel. The 
statute provides that it shall be recovered as wages. Tbis 
clearly means by the same methods or modes of procedure. 
The customary mode of recovering wages is by libelling the 
ship. The language, therefore, necessarily implied that the 
ship is bolden for tbis extra pay. And, aside from this par- 
ticular language of the statute, I think that, from the nature 
of the provision, and the purposes it was intended to sub- 
serve, the extra pay may be properly regarded as an addition 
or increase of wages in the event of the neglect of the master 
or owner to provide for their prompt payment. We bave a 
similar provision in our own act. These statutes are designed 
for the protection of seamen ; to prevent the abuse of with- 
holding their pay, and thereby keeping them in port at expense 
and out of employment while waiting for a settlement. It&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/587</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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created by statute or by agreement, and theieby aunesed or 
made part of a maritime contract. 
It is puggested that it is discretionary with the court to en- 
tertain jurisdiction of a claim of foreign seamen against a 
foreign vessel. This is so. But the question here is not 
whether the court will take jurisdiction over this vessel. It 
bas already done so, and seized and sold ber muler its pro- 
cess. It cannot refuse now to distribute the proceeds ac- 
cording to the rights of the respective parties who appear to 
claim them. While, therefore, the master must be held to 
bave a lien for bis wages which can be enforced against the 
vessel or its proceeds in this court, it does not follow, as in the 
case of the seamen, that bis lien will bave priority over that 
which may be establisbed by other claimants. He may by 
bis contracts with material men, or parties furnishing sup- 
plies, bave waived bis lien in their favor, or made it subordi- 
nate to theirs. In the case of The Selah, 4 Sawy. 40, it was 
held that a foreign master did so by contracting with sucb 
parties on the credit of the ship in an American port. The 
claims of these other parties bave not yet been proved, nor 
until they are adjusted, and the nature of them and the cir- 
cumstances under which they arose sball be understood, can 
it be determined wbat are their rights in respect to priority 
of lien relatively to the claim of the master, The master is, 
therefore, entitled to a decree for bis wages, reserving all 
questions of priority of payment and of distribution till all the 
claims made bave been adjusted. The question, also, whether 
the master is entitled to extra pay as a seaman is also re- 
served. If the prior liens are sustained it is immaterial. 
Decree accordingly.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/593</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642364</id>
    <revision>
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ship, its prime cost at the place of shipment would be an insîg- 
nificant sum, notwithstanding the fact that if the ship had 
preoeeded safely a short distance further on her voyage, and 
had reached the port of New York, the cargo would have been 
worth $60 a ton. 
With these facts before it the court (Blatchford, J.) was 
obliged to discover some reasonable method of applying the 
rule, which, while it would exclude profits, would not deny sub- 
stantial restitution to the party injured. 
This the court did by deducting from the price in New York 
the expenses of the voyage, and an amount which the proof 
of experts showed would be considered by an importer a f air 
average profit for importing such an article. 
The learned judge was compelled, in the absence of other 
data, to arrive at the price of the guano at the place of ship- 
ment by taking the market price at the place where it had a 
market price, and after deducting the expenses, and an aver- 
age profit to an importer of similar articles, he treated the 
residue as the equivalent of the market price at the place of 
shipment. That is to say, the price which merchants would 
probably be willing to give for the guano for exportation at 
the place of shipment if it was possible to buy it. 
These cases serve to show that it has been found impracti- 
cable to apply literally, in ail cases, the rule allowing only 
the prime cost of the cargo at the place of shipment. In the 
case before me now it appears that the port of St. Pierre is a 
French port, near to the place of collision; that it is a market 
for cod, and a port where French fishing vessels quite com- 
monly sell a portion of their &quot;catch.&quot; 
It also would appear from the testimony that there is 
some advantage of price there for fish caught by French ves- 
sels, and that American ood-fish are not salable in France. 
It would not, therefore, I think, be just to undertake to esti- 
mate the value of the &quot;catch&quot; of the Briha by the price of 
similar fish in the fishing ports of New England or Canada, 
but I can see no objection to taking the price at St. Pierre as 
a basis. It was the nearest French port, and one not distant 
from her anch orage at the time of the collision. It is a mar-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/601</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642372</id>
    <revision>
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ville, with the exception of an interval of two years, during 
■which the Adams Express Company withdrew from this line. 
The agreement between the Adams Express Company and the 
Louisville, New Albany &amp; Chicago Eailroad Company, the 
predeeessor of the defendant, and which, as stated in the 
supplemental bill, was subsequently recognized and adopted 
by the defendant, under which the Adams Express Company 
was carried by the defendant and its predeeessor during this 
period, was, from time to time, modified as to rates of charges 
but the general plan or mode of conducting the business 
remained the same. According to that plan or mode, as, 
appears by afiSdavits read at the hearing, the express Com- 
pany was accorded a certain space in the baggage car of the 
defendant's passenger trains for its express matter and mes- 
sengers, for which it paid an agreed sum in gross where the 
express freight did not exceed a speoified weight, and an ad- 
ditional charge per hundred pounds where the express matter 
exceeded that specified weight. The express oompany, by 
means of its stationed employes, and its horses and wagons, 
and other conveniences and appliances connected with its 
offices, collected the express parcels to be transported by it 
from ail persons desiring to ship property through its instru- 
mentality, and delivered them aboard the defendant's bag- 
gage car, where they were taken into personal charge by a 
messenger of the express company, and retained by him in 
his Personal charge, during their transit by rail, until their 
arrivai at the place of destination, when they were delivered 
to the proper agent of the express company at that point for 
distribution and delivery to the respective consignees. Par- 
cels containing money or other articles of great value were 
packed and carried in iron safes. Parcels containing ordinary 
merchandise of less value were usually packed and carried in 
chests and trunks, while articles of greater weight or bulk, or 
articles of comparatively small value, that did not require so 
great care, were not thus packed, but deposited upon the floor 
of that part of the car assigned to the express messenger. 
During the same period another express company, the 
American, was carrying on a like business, in a similar man -&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/603</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642374</id>
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Adams Express Company, would be considered null and void 
on and after April 20, 1880. The bill charges that the 
defendant had entered into a contract with the Union Express 
Company, whereby the latter Company waa to be granted the 
exclusive privilege of doing an express business over the 
defendant's road, and that it was the purpoae of the defend- 
ant, on and after the day last named, to exclude the Adams 
Express Company, its messengers, and agents from its line. 
The bill prayed, among other things, that the defendant might 
be enjoined from carrying this purpose into execution, and 
from making any discrimination, as to facilities or charges^ 
in favor of any other express carrier or person, against the 
Adams Express Company, and, pending final hearing, for an 
interlocutory restraining order. The original bill was filed 
on the fifteenth day of AprU, 1880. 
On the nineteenth day of July, 1880, the complainant fîled 
an amendment and also a supplement to the bill. The 
amendment shows more particularly the agreement between 
the Adams Express Company and the railway company that 
■was inexistence when the latter gave notice to the express 
company that allexisting arrangements between thôm should 
terminate on the twentieth day of April, as above stated. 
This agreement, which was in writing, though formai execu- 
tion of it by the parties was neglected or omitted, was ebtered 
into on the eleventh day of May, 1870, and bas ever since, 
until the time of the giving of the notice above nientioned, 
been regarded and acted upon by the parties as the contract 
subsisting between them. 
By this agreement the railroad company contracted to fur- 
nish the express company sufficient space, in its baggage cars 
attached to its passenger trains, for the transaction by the 
express company of its business, and to grant to the express 
company the privilege of carrying a messenger, with a safe 
and 2,000 pounds of freight, each way, daily, between 
New Albany and Greenoastle, for which service the express 
company agreed to pay the railroad company $i}3per day; and 
for ail freight carried over the whole length of road between 
the above points, in excess of 2,000 pounds eaoh way, daily,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/625</title>
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duly notified and held for that purpose, I, A. Hyatt Smith, 
mayor of said city, hereunto subscribe my name, and cause 
the seal of said city to be affixed. 
Dated at Janesville, July 1, 1853. 
Subscribed and sealed thisfirst day of August, 1853. 
By A. Hyatt Smith, Mayor. 
Countersigned by J. W. Hobson, Treasurer. 
Annexed to the bond set eut in the conaplaint are 40 
coupons, for the payment of semi-annual interest, in thia 
form: 
INTEREST WARRANT POB FORTT DOLLABB. 
On the first day of July, 1873, the city of Janesville, Wis., 
will owe and will pay to the Eoek Eiver Valley Union Eail- 
road Company, or bearer, $40, being for the half year yearly 
interest on city certificate No. 47, for |1,000, payable in the 
city pf New York. J. W. Hobson, Treasurer. 
The defendant demurs to the complaint, and the point re- 
lied upon is that the Eock Eiver Valley Union Eailroad Com- 
pany, being a Wisconsin corporation, could not assign the 
bond to a citizen of Massachusetts so as to enable him to 
bring an action in this court ; and the question presented is 
whether the bond in suit is a promissory note, negotiable by 
the law marchant, within the intent and meaning of section 
1, c. 137, of the act of March 3, 1875, defining the jurisdic- 
tion of circuit courts. 
It is contended by the defendant — First, that the instru- 
ment sued on is a bond and not a promissory note ; second, 
that, if a note, it is not negotiable by the law merchant, it not 
containing the words &quot;bearer&quot; or &quot;order.&quot; 
In regard to the first point, sealed instruments of this char- 
acter, providing for the payment of money at a future time, 
certainly have in this country, with very few exceptions, been 
held promissory notes rather than specialties. In fact, the 
instrument in suit answers every definition and requisite of a 
promissory note by the law merchant. 
It is not in form a bond, but it is a simple acknowledg-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/627</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that case turned upon the construction of the Indiana stat- 
ute, which provides in effect that unless a note is made pay- 
able to order, or bearer, at a particularbank, whateverequity 
the maker is entitled to against the payer he may assert 
against any indorser ; which means, of course, that a note is 
not negotiable in that state unless payable to order or bearer 
at a bank. In such a case it seems quite clear that an indorser 
could not derive jurisdiction to sue in the United States courts 
by assignaient, as such a note is not negotiable by the law 
merchant. 
JbALLOU V. COUNTT OF JaSPBB. 
(Gireuit Court, 8. D: lUiiun». July 7, 1880./ 
1. MtmicrpAii Bonds — Pottded Bonds — Act of thb Lbgislatube of 
IijLinois.— -An act of the le^slature of the state of Illinois authorized 
ail municipal corporations totakeup and cancel oulsitandiDg bonds 
and other evidences of indebtedness, issued for thebeneiitof a certain 
railroad, under a pirior act of the legislature, and fund the same. 
' Eeld, thûlwhere &amp; funded bond -Was regùlarly issued, and perform- 
ance of all the essontial conditions alleged in the bond, payment could 
not be refused a bona fide liplder upon the grounij that the original 
bond was issued by the county supervisors, instead of the countv 
court, contrary ta tte terms of the original act. 
Hay, Green e Little, for plaintiff. 
Hallay e Wood, îov deîend^int. 
Deummond, C. J. The question in this case arises on the 
construction to be given towhat is called the funding stat- 
ute of this state, authorizing counties, cities, townships, 
school districts, and other municipal corporations to take up 
and cancel outstanding bonds and other evidences of indebt- 
edness, and fund the same; in connection with the act of 
March 1, 1867, which authorized cities, towns, and counties 
to subscribe for stock to the Grayville &amp; Mattoon Eailroad 
Company. 
No objection is made to the validity of the bonds which 
were issued in this case, as not having been in accordance&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/629</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642401</id>
    <revision>
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notwithstanding there might have been an irregularity, and 
notwithstanding they might have been issued, in point of 
fact, by the board of supervisors instead of by the county 
court. 
The funding law declared that the bonds might be issued 
for any indebtedness which was binding, or which constituted 
a subsisting legal obligation against the county. It is to be 
observed that this funding law declared that there should be 
no funding bonds issued, except upon a vote of the people, 
and a vote was accordingly had, and these funded bonds were 
issued under that vote and by the proper authority. These 
facts are all alleged in the funded bond, and the question is 
whether, as against a honafide holder, the county can go back 
of all this, and defend against this, or similar actions, on the 
ground that there was a vice in the original indebtedness ; 
that is, in the source of the original indebtedness, in that the 
bonds were issued by the board of supervisors, instead of by 
the county court. We think that it cannot, but that it must 
be assumed, especiaUy in view of all these recitals in the 
funded bonds, to the effect that their issue was under this 
law, and that the proper county authorities had determined 
that it was a binding obligation on the county for which thesô 
bonds were issued, they were valid, and that there must be 
an end of these contesta and defences some time or other; 
and, having issued these bonds under these circumstanccs, the 
county of Jasper cannot contest their validity now, even ad- 
mitting that it could do so if the suit were brought on the 
original bonds.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/631</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ing in advance such security as he may judge necessary to 
secure payment therefor to the treasury of the United States 
within the time prescribed for such payment ; 
&quot;And, whereas, adhesive stamps have been delivered, or 
hereafter may be delivered, to said James H. Weedon, by 
virtue of said authority : 
&quot;Now, therefore, if the said James H. Weedon shall, on or 
before the tentb day of each and every month, make a state- 
jnent of his account upon form 65|- of the internai revenue 
bureau, and upon such other form or forma as may hereafter 
be added thereto^ or upon such other form or forma as may 
hereafter be submitted therefor, showing the balance due at 
the commencement of the month, the amount of stamps 
reçoive and the amount of money remitted by him during 
the month, and the balance due from said James H. Weedon 
at the close of the month next preceding, and shall do and 
perform all other acts of him required to be done in the 
premises, according to law and regulations; shall well and 
truly pay or cause to be paid to the treasurer of the United 
States, for the use of the United States, all and every such 
Bum or sums of money as he, the said James H. Weedon, 
may owe to the United States for adhesive or other stamps 
■which have been or shall be delivered to him, or vrhich bave 
been or shall be forwarded to him, according to his request or 
order, within the time prescribed for payment for the same 
according to law, and shall and will pay or cause to be paid 
to the said treasurer, for the use aforesaid, each and every 
Bum of money as shall become due or payable to the United 
States, at the time and on the days each sum shall respect- 
ively become due or payable, then the above obligation to be 
void and of no effect, otherwise to be and remain in fuU force 
and virtue.&quot; 
The pleas filed were nil debit, and that the loss, if any, 
was the fault of the plaintiff, and not that of defendants. 
Errors in pleading were waived. 
To support the issue on the part of the plaintiff the district 
attorney offered in evidence the transcript of the account of 
James H. Weedon with the treasury departmlent, as certified&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/641</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642416</id>
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said, and the bill of exceptions so states, tîiat the case was 
argued before the district court upon the assumption that 
the bankrupt was himself a party to the arrangement, 
and that it was net until the argument in court was elosed, 
and the printed or written argument was left with the judge, 
that the ground was taken stated in the fourth amended para- 
graph, by which it was claimed the assignee was entitled 
to recover because C. G. Stewart &amp; Co. were the agents of the 
defendants. But can it make any difference in the rights of 
the parties at what particular stage of the proceedings, before 
the judgment was actually rendered, that a different phase 
was given to the case on the part of the plaintiff from that 
which existed at the time of the original argument ? Clearly 
not. The case having been submitted to the court without 
the intervention of a jury, it was under the complete control 
of the court, and if, upon the pleadings and evidence, the 
plaintiff was entitled to recover, it was the duty of the court 
to give effect to that right, whatever view might have been 
taken of the case by the counsel at the time of the original 
argument. So I think there can be no question of the right 
of the court to place the case upon a different ground from 
that upon which it was placed by the counsel originally. 
Therefore, the only question is whether the fourth amended 
paragraph presents a valid case upon which there could be a 
recovery for the value of the goods, for the reason that C. Gr. 
Stewart &amp; Oo. were the agents of the defendants in the pur- 
chase from the bankrupt. 
' It is to be observed that some of the objections which are 
now made to this paragraph were not made at ail in the 
court below ; for instance, it is said now that there is no alle- 
gation as to the precise value, or, indeed, as to any value, of 
the forty-four car loads of coal. 
It is true, if we considered each paragraph in the nature of 
a separate count, which is to be suffieient in itself, it might 
not be of any avail that the other paragraphs of the com- 
plaint successively state what was the value of the coal, 
and what was the price agreed upon between the bankrupt 
and C. G. Stewart &amp; Co. But I do not feel in clin ed to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/645</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642420</id>
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stantially in place as Stembergh's does. I cannoi doubt ttat 
it is an appropriation of Sternbergh's invention, and if the 
real invention had been more carefully described in the orig- 
inal patent the case would be entirely clear. Some doubt, 
however, is suggested because the language of the description 
and claim in the re-issue departs from that employed in the 
original for describing the recess which holds the band or 
ring; and it is urged that the re-issue is void as enlarging 
the scope of the invention disclosed in the original. The 
original describes a ring or band &quot;made to occupy a groove 
in the hoop so as not to interfere with the foUower.&quot; The 
re-issue describes a hoop &quot;with an annular groove or depres- 
sion,&quot; and a ring or band made to occupy it. 
By the aid of the drawings there is no difficulty in ascer- 
taining what the patentee meant in bis original specification 
by the term &quot;groove.&quot; Without the drawings, reading the 
entire description of the several parts, and ascertaining their 
functions when used in the process of pressing cheese, as 
detailed, it would be the natural and neceasary inference that 
such a channel was oontemplated as would be appropriate 
for the insertion and location of the expansible band. 
The drawings show an aimular recess near the upper part 
of the hoop. The function of this recess is to hold the band, 
during the downward pressure of the foUower, so that the ex- 
terior surface of the band shall be the same as that of the 
interior of the hoop. Any change in the form, or even in the 
location, of this recess, which does not involve a change of 
function, would be immaterial, and would be permissible un- 
der the original patent. I am of opinion that if this action 
had been founded on the original patent, complainant could 
have Bucceeded. 
It is the office of a re-issue to correct errors in the speci- 
fication and in the claim of the original patent. &quot;When alter- 
ations are made which enlarge the scope of the patent, and 
secure to the patentee improvements made by others subse- 
quent to the original patent, they should be carefully scruti- 
nized in order to see that nothing is granted which was not 
fairly disclosed originally. In this case, I doubt whether there&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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louer she got the more water she would take in; and al- 
though the captain of the tug did ail lie could to get her iiito 
a dock in the East river, where she could be beached, he was 
unable to do so before she sunk. 
Under the rule laid down in the case of The Wm. Murtagh, 
therefore, both parties are chargeable with want of ordinary 
care for making the attempt to cross the bay with an open 
loaded boat in a gale of wind. Slight differences of circum- 
etance will not sujB&amp;ce to distinguish the case, and the loss is 
immediately attributable to this as the direct and principal 
cause of the disaster. 
It is claimed, however, on the part of the libellant that he 
should not be charged with half the loss for two reasons: 
First, on the ground that the barge was put on the windward 
side of the tug, where she was more exposed to the wind and 
sea than she would bave been on the other side ; and, secondly, 
because the master of the tug did not, when they got out in 
the bay, and found how dangerous the passage was, run 
before the wind, go to the south of Governor's island,and find 
shelter in Buttermilk channel. The first point is sought to 
be supported by the testimony of the libellant that he objected 
to being placed on the port side of the tug ; and the second point, 
by bis testimony that when near Oyster island buoy he 
requested the master of the tug to run before the wind to 
avoid swamping bis barge. 
As to both these statements of the libellant, he is, I think, 
so contradicted that they cannot be taken as proved. As to 
his request to run before the wind, which he says was twice 
made and answered by the master of the tug, not only is the 
proôf to the contrary very strong, but the circumstances, and 
the proved conduct and language of the libellant at other 
points, render it highly improbable. When the master of the 
tug, long after this alleged request, hailed him and told him he 
thought his barge was sinking, he answered that he hoped 
not. He evidently had not discovered the fact, and at first 
would not believe it, till he went and looked over the side. 
Up to that time his pump had brought but little water and 
had soon sucked; and in answer to the pilot's bail, &quot;How is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/657</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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MooEE V. Neafib ànd otliers. 
Eton ». The Tua Mary J. Finn, etc. 
(District Gvwrt, 8. D. Neu) York. July 21, 1880.) 
1. Sbamen— Wages — STEAM-Ttra Sbkvice— Usage. — An established 
usage of a certain port, by which handa employed in the steam-tug 
service, at a certain rate of wages per montli, are authorized to leave 
at any time, and their employers are permitted to discharge them at any 
time, and who, in eitlier case, are paid up to the time of their leaving 
or their discharge, is neither injurious to the interests of commerce, 
unreasonable, nor contrary to the positive rule of law. 
Alexander e Ash, for libellants. 
W. B. Beebe, for respondents. 
Choatb, D. J. These are suite for wagea, bronght by sea- 
men who served on the steam-tug Mary J. Finn. They were 
employed at a certain rate of wages per month, and not for 
any definite period of time, unless such mode of employment 
implies a definite time of service. The course of business 
between the parties was to bave a settlement on or up to the 
last day of each month. The last settlement was up to the 
end of April, 1880. On the fifteenth of May the respondents 
discharged the orew without assigning any cause. They now 
claim their wages up to the end of May. Eespondents have 
tendered them their wages up to and including the day they 
were discharged. 
Independently of any usage affecting the question, the 
libellants would be entitled to recover. The Iludson, Ole. 
396. But the testimony in this case is fuU and conclusive 
that in this steam-tug service in this port the established 
usage is that the hands employed in this mode leave at any 
time, and that their employers discharge them at any time 
during the month, and in either case are paid up to the time 
of their leaving or their discharge. 
It is argued that this usage is injurious to the interests of 
commerce, unreasonable, and contrary to the positive rule of 
law, and on these grounds void. It is urged that the seamen 
may leave at a moment of danger, and so that the interests&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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Thb Amalia. 
(Dhtrîct Court, B. Maine. September 13, 1880.) 
1. JuEiSDicTioN—FoEEiQNVBSSKir— Nation alittopCbbw.— The nation. 
ality of a foreign vessel, and not that of the crew, should regulate the 
action of a court of admiralty in assuming junsdiction over a contro- 
versy lietween the offlcers and seamen of such vessel. 
The Nina, 2 L. R. P. 0. 39. 
2. Samb — Samb — Wages. — The district court, unless restricted by some 
treaty stipulation, may, in the exercise of its discretion, assume juris- 
diction of a claim for wages against a foreign v essel. 
3. Samb — Same— Foreign Orew — Treaty with Sweden— 8 U. S. St. 
352. — The thirteenth article of the treaty between Sweden and the 
United States, of July 4, 1827; (8 U. S. St. 346, 352,) provides &quot;that each 
country shall have theright to appoint consuls, vice consuls, etc., in 
the commercial porta and places of the other country,&quot; and that such 
constlls, etc., &quot;shall have the right, as such, to sit as judgea and 
arbi'ters in such differences as may arise between the captain and 
crewsof the vessel belongîng to the nation whose interests are com- 
mitted to their charge, witUout the interference of the local authori- 
ties.&quot; Hdd, that the district court was not thereby debaned from 
exercising its authority in a case within the terms of such treaty, 
■where there was no consiil, or other offlcer of Sweden, within the 
territoifal juriadiction of the court. 
4. SBAMEN—ORDELTr op Mastek— Wages — Dischargb. — The master of 
a Swedish bark sailedfrom Gibraltar for Portland with an inadequate 
Buppiy of provisions, whereby the laws of Sweden were violated, and 
the crew of the vessel compelled to endure great hardships and sick- 
ness f or want of sufflcient food.' Held, that the crew were entitled 
to their discharge at Portland, before the expiration of the voyage 
for which they had shipped, and to the payment of the wages due 
them at the time of leaving the ship. 
6. Same — Samb — Damages. — .ffeM, further, that the seamen were entitled 
to one month's extra pay, by way of indemnity for the injuries they 
had sustained. 
Bird dt Thomas, for libellants. 
Wehh de Haskell, for claimants. 
Fox, D. J. This libel is instituted by the seconrl mate, 
eteward, and ail the seamen, praying to be discharged from 
further service in this bark, and for the payment of their 
•wages, on aceount of a short allowance of provisions on a 
voyage of 124 days, from Alexandria, Egypt, to this port, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/677</title>
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ing a suit for possession, were allowable, and that the party 
■which, at the final hearing, constituted a majority would be 
adjudged such by the court's decree. 
Why the libellants in such a case should be restricted in 
this particular, and the libellees not, I fail to find any snfiQ- 
cient reason. This cause, it is to be remembered, is heard 
ia admiralty — under Admiralty Eule No. 24 — not in a court 
of common law. 
2. It was shown by the evidence that in December, 1879, 
a certain instrument, under seal, was signed by the holders 
of twenty-one thirty- seconds of the brig, in view of which it 
■was contended that each signer thereof was estopped from 
assigning or transferring his share without &quot;consulting&quot; with 
the ship's husband therein named; it being further con- 
tended that, inasmuch as some of the libellants were signers 
of this paper, and had, by becoming co-libellants in this suit, 
violated their covenant, they should not be reeognized as 
share-holders in the inquiry as to the relative number of libel- 
lants and libellees. They cannot, it is contended, be treated 
as parties coming into court with clean bands. And, further 
etill, it was contended that the instrument should be con- 
strued and held by the court to be &quot;a valid written agree- 
ment subsisting, by virtue of which the master was entitled 
to possession,&quot; within the purview of section 4250 of the Ee- 
vised Statutes. Of this contention of the libellees it sufiSces 
to say that in their view of this instrument, and of its sig- 
nificance and weight, I cannot concur, and of course must 
overrule the objection. 
3. It was shown by the evidence that, on the twenty-first 
of May, a charter-party was executed by the master (said 
Lowry) and the brig's husband on the one part, and one 
Leydon &amp; Co. on the other, in virtue of which the msister 
and owners of the brig were bound to so manage that the 
brig should be at Maehias, Maine, on the fifth of June, ready 
to load, and that on the day of the seizure, (May 28th,) and 
four hours before the seizure, a clearance for Maehias had 
been procured from the custom-house officiais in Providence; 
and in view of these facts it was denied, on behalf of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/681</title>
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state and the companies are in default in the payment of the 
interest siace July, 1875, the bond holders by these euits seek 
to have a lien in their favor established upon the roads. 
The general assembly of the state of Tennessee passed, 
February 11, 1862, an act known as the &quot;Internai Improve- 
ment Act of the State of Tennessee,&quot; extending aid to railroad 
companies by a loan of state bonds, the proceeds to be nsed 
in ironing and equipping the roads. Prior to the time of 
passing the act there had been issued state bonds for varions 
purposes, of whioh above $3,500,000 was outstanding. The 
state of Tennessee was now in good credit. Her 6 per cent, 
bonds brought a premium in the money markets of the world, 
as did also, subsequently, her bonds issued to the defendant 
railroad companies under the act in question, and acta 
amendatory thereof, which bonds are the subject of contro- 
versy in these suits. The, scheme of internai improvement 
now adopted was to issue to each company 6 per cent, bonds 
to the amount $8,000 per mile, in instalments, — afterwards 
extended to $10,000, — the first when a section of 30 miles of 
road was completed ready for the ties, and the subsequent 
instalments upon completion of each additional section of 20 
miles; afterwards changed to 10 miles. The bonds are 
transferable by delivery, run not less than 30 nor more than 
40 years from the respective dates of issue, the interest 
matures semi-annually, and, with the principal, is payable in 
New York. They were paid to the railroad company, and 
Bold in open market, without indorsement or guaranty. The 
state was invested by the terms of the statute with a lien 
upon each section of the company's road as soon as the bonds 
for that section were issued, and upon final completion of the 
road such lien was to attach to the entire road and its equip- 
ments. Tho company was to be incapable of creating any 
lien conflicting with that in favor of the state. 
The amount of the lien claimed by complainants in behalf 
of such bond holders upon ail the railroads is about $15,- 
000,000. The litigation, however, affects the holders of be- 
tween $30,000,000 and $35,000,000 of other mortgage bonds 
gecured upon these roads, and issued under authority of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/687</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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important, and that if, under tlïe terms of the act, it sliall be 
held that the companies were to make payrnent to the bond 
holders, such payment was to be merely in relief of the state 
from the ultimate performance of its obligation, but all the 
while the obligation of the state remained was to be in 
exoneration of the state, but did not modify its undertaking 
on the bond, and created no privity between the bond holders 
and the company ; that such an undertaking by the company 
would be to indemnify the state by payment of the bond in 
its stead, and that the obligation was to the state alone, and 
one in ■which no one else had, or was intended to have, any 
legal or equitable interest, much less any direct participation 
and right of intervention or control; that the relation be- 
tween the railroad company and the holder of state bonds 
was that merely of vendor and purchaser of negotiable securi- 
ties, passing by delivery and without indorsement, and there- 
fore created no relation between them of debtor and crediter. 
Edward L, Andrews, George Iloadly, Charles O'Connor, 
Samuel Watson, and T. S. Webb, for complainants. 
C. F. Southmayd, Stanley Matthews, Edward H. East, Ed- 
ward Baxter, Wm. Baxter, W. Y. G. Humes, B. M. Estes, J. 
B. Heiskell, R. McP. Smith, Smith d Allison, and Jas. T. à 
John K. Shields, for defendants. 
WiTHEY, D. J. I cannot refrain from expressing person- 
ally and officially my acknowledgements for the complete and 
exhaustive arguments by learned and eminent counsel which 
distinguished the hearing and submission of these important 
cases. I approach their consideration with all the aid which 
the most consummate and elaborate arguments can afford. 
The opinion will not extend over all the debated ground. 
Have the holders of internal-improvement bonds, loaned 
by the state of Tennessee to a railroad company, under the 
act in question, any enforceable right, by contract or other- 
wise, in the statutory lien that is reserved to the state of Ten- 
nessee for the payment of the principal and interest of the bonds 
as they matured? Section 3 provides &quot;that so soon as the 
bonds of the state sball have been issued for the first section 
of the road as aforesaid, they shall constitute a lieu upon&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/691</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the literalism of words and phrases, that are to govern. The 
, signification of the^ entire apt, and not a single clause, deter- 
mines the intention of the law-maker. Thus, section 6, con- 
sidered with other provisions of the act, is important as 
reserving to the state the right, through proceedings in court, 
to sell the road, thereby discharging it from the lien imposed 
by the statuts. 
The fact that the state might discharge the lien in such 
way imports that there was no intention of the law-makers to 
give a beneficiai interest in the security to any one but the 
state. This view applies with peculiar force where the bolder 
of the security is a state, not amenable to the ordinary process 
of courts. 
This view of the effect of section 6 upon the construction 
as to the legi8la.tive.intent is not weakened, but fortiûed, by 
section 14, which declares that &quot;in the event any of the roads 
shall be sold under the provisions of the act it shall be the duty 
of the governor to: appoint an agent for the state to attend the 
sale, and, if necesgary, to protect the interestsof the state, 
buy in the road in the name of the state; and, in case the 
state, shall be the purchaser, the governor shall appoint a 
receiver, who shall take possession of the road and property, 
and use the same as provided for in the fifth section of this 
act, and said. receiver shall settle his acoounts semi-annually 
with the comptroller, untii the next meeting of the general 
assembly.&quot; 
This section imports three things at least as to a sale : (1,) 
a third person may be a purchaser; (2,) the state may be the 
purehaser; (3,) that the purchaser obtains a titie discharged 
of the lien. It is manifest that if a stranger buys he takes 
title freed from ail liens imposed by the act upon the prop- 
erty, and there is nothing in the language of the section or 
in the act to indicate that the state, becoming purchaser, 
does not take the property equally free from such lien. 
The receiver appointed by the governor is to take possess- 
ion of the road and &quot;use the same as provided for in the fifth 
section;&quot; that is, in like manner, viz. : &quot;run the same and 
manage the entire road.&quot; This he is to do until the next&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/693</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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or more of the time -which the bonds had to run had expîred, so 
that the period might be wholly inadequate în which to pro- 
vide a sufficient sinking fund for paying the bonds when due, 
and that this indicates that the lien was not intended as 
security merely for payment by the company to the state by 
means of a sinking fund in the manner provided. A statute 
must be construed from the stand-point, — the circumstances 
and surroundings of the law-makers, — when it was enacted; 
and it would be unjust and repugnant to reason and common 
experience to assume that the legislature passed the act in the 
expectation that the roads would never be finished, or would 
not be completed within a reasonable time. Besides, section 
12 reserved to the state ample powers to make such modifi- 
cations in relation to the time for the sinking fund to com- 
mence, and the per cent, annually to be paid into that fund, 
as wotdd fully protect the interests of the state against delay 
on the part of the railroad company. 
Whatever might be said in regard to the evidence adduced 
in these cases of contemporaneous construction, through the 
utterances of state officiais in public documents, the action of 
any department of the state govemment, or otherwise, there 
is, in the judgment of the court, nothing to change the views 
which bave been expressed. 
Chamberlain v. St. P. e S. C. B. Co., 92 U. S. 299, was decided 
upon a statute and upon facts similar to those in the present 
cases, and is very instructive. The state of Minnesota, by a 
constitutional amendment, provided fdr an issue of its bonds 
as a loan to the Southern Minnesota Eailroad Company, and 
required such company to convey the lands in question &quot;in 
trust for the better security of the treasury of the state from 
loss on said bonds,&quot; and further provided that if the borrow- 
ing company should make default in payment of either the 
principal or interest of the bonds issued by the state, the gov- 
ernor should proceed to sell the lands held in trust by the 
state. The company accordingly executed a trust convey- 
ance of the lands to the state, conditioned for the payment 
of the principal and interest of the bonds issued to that com- 
jany. The company made default in the payment of interest.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/695</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and the company màde no promise to the bond holder. Sueh 
equity created no lien which foUowed the property ; the liabil- 
ity of the state was to the bond holder. She held no relation 
as surety to him ; as in the Chamberlain case, it was only as 
between hier and the company that in any possible view the 
state could be regarded as surety, and this view would make 
it necessary to treat the company as the principal debtor to 
the bond holder, whereas the company was not the principal 
debtor, nor, indeed, a debtor to the bond holder in any 
degree. 
The reasoning in the case of Hand v. Railroad Co., in the 
supreme court of South Carolina — manuscript — referred to on, 
the argument, cannot ail be adopted as applicable to these 
cases, if the conclusions might be. 
It is not upon its fact authority. The railroad company 
made its own bonds, and the state guarantied their payment 
to the holder by indorsement. The state was secured by a 
lien upon the company's road, reserved by the statute which 
authorized the guaranty. As a surety, the state assumed 
contract obligations to the crediter — the bond holder. If a 
creditor bas a right to claim the benefit of seeurity given by 
the debtor to his surety for the latter's indemnity, it does not 
follow that the right exists where the principal debtor takes 
the seeurity from the acoommodatee, and where the seeurity 
holder holds no other relation to the creditor than that of 
debtor, and the giver of the seeurity is neither a debtor nor 
surety to the creditor, 
It becomes unnecessai-y to further consider the effect of the 
reservation of power to the state under section 12. The court 
bas already stated that such reserved power is ample to an- 
thorize a modification of the sinking-fund provisions, as bas 
been done by increasing the amount to be paid annually into 
the sinking f und and changing the ti'me for such payment to 
commence. 
It follows that by this judgment neither the foreclosed nor 
the non-foreclosed roads are subject to any lien in favor of 
the holders of internai improvement bonds issued by the state 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/699</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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rights of. purohasers at judicial sales where theyhave been 
fairly cond,iieted, and believe that want of stability in such 
sales is a most serious evil. The mere ,fact that a man bas 
made a bargain at such a sale should not induce the court to 
recede on its part, whatever its power to do so may be. The 
practice in England on this subject became so notoriously 
disastrous that first the court by rule, and then parliament 
by legislation, interfered to break it up and establish a Sys- 
tem of reserved bids, which answers the purpose of securing 
the highest price, and protects the sale from the chilling influ- 
ences of instability and uncertainty. 
The court now, upon application of the parties, or of its 
own motion, ascertains the probable value of the property as 
nearly as may be, and, having determined the lowest price it 
is willing to take, the property is not sold, unless at public 
auction, it brings as much, or more, than this reserved 
price, which, not being revealed until after the sale, cannot 
influence the biddings. 1 Sug. Vend. (8th Ed.) 136, 161, 
163; 2 Danl. Ch. Pr. (5th Ed.) 1286 and note; see 3 South^ 
ern Law Eev., 423. Under this system, which. was first 
adopted by general order of the court in 1851, and subse- 
quexitly perfeoted in 1867, by 30 and 31 Vict, 48, the bid- 
dings are not opened for any advance of price unless there be 
either fraud or such misconduct as borders on fraud. Delves 
v. Delves, (La^ Eep.) 20 Eq. 77. If congress or the supreme 
court, under its power to prescribe equity rules, should con- 
form our practice to this improved method of making chan- 
cery sales, it would relieve the courts of much embarrassment ; 
for, as was said by Mr. Justice Miller, &quot;the act of confirming 
or setting aside a sale made by a commissioner in chancery 
often involves the exercise of judgment and discretion as del- 
icate as that called fôr by any function which belongs to the 
court.&quot; Railroad Co. v. Soutier, 5 Wall. 660, 662. Where 
there are no circumstances of fraud or misconduct the diffi- 
culty is increaaed, and bas always been a perplexing subject 
v/ith aU courts. 
The ninetieth equity rule binds us to the practice as it ex- 
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&amp; Walk. 637, is an instance where confirmation was required. 
There the sale was of a life interest in consols and annuities, 
and the question was who was entitled to the dividends on the 
consols earned in the interim between sale and confirmation. 
Lord Eldon gave them to the purchaser, on the doctrine that 
after confirmation the sale related back to the day of sale. 
This is no doubt the true solution in ail these cases of the 
troublesome questions growing out of the nature of the pur- 
chaser's title between sale and confirmation. If confirmed he 
must be treated as the owner from the day of sale, entitled to 
profits and subject to losses, unless there be some equitable cir- 
cumstance in the case that inducea the court, in the exercise of 
its power over the contract, to change the rule and withhold the 
profits, or exempt him from the loss. But in any event the 
controlof the court over the sale is the same, whatever the rights 
of the purchaser may be. Lord Eldon says nothing can be 
predicated on the confirmation in determining to whom the 
dividends belong. Lord Chancellor Ludgen approves this case 
in Vesey v. Elwood, 3 Drury &amp; Warren, 74, and Judge Dillon 
in Lathrop-Y. Nelson, 4 Dill. 194. The case of Twigg v. Fijield, 
13 Ves. 517, was the sale of an annuity, and confirmation 
was required. Mr, Sumner, in citing these cases in his note 
to Ex parte Minor, 11 Ves. 559, 562, says: &quot;A purchaser, 
no doubt, until the master's report is confirmed, is always 
liable to have the biddings opened.&quot; 
Where a coUiery, which is in the nature of a trade, bas 
been the subject of sale, a proposai to open the biddings will 
be listened to with extreme caution, as, from the hazardoua 
nature of such a concern, delay may occasion ruinons loss. 
Anon. 1 Ves. 453, note ; Wren v. Kirton, 8 Ves. 502, 
The biddings were opened in the sale of a steam-boat for an 
advance of priee, and after confirmation re-opened because 
of misconduct at the first sale. Moore v. Watson, 4 Cold. 64. 
And in Owen v. Owen, 5 Humph. 352, the sale of a slave was 
set aside for inadequacy of price and because the slave was 
sick. 
Judge Benedict, proceeding in admiralty according to the 
practice in equity, set aside the sale of a steam-boat, worth&lt;noinclude&gt;
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varions corporations from which the Midland Eailway Com- 
pany was formed. At the time the bill was filed a receiver 
was appointed, clothed with the usual powers conferred upon 
Buch an offieer. Afterwards, the bill was amended by mak- 
ing other persons parties plaintiff as judgment and general 
creditors of the companies out of which the Midland Eailway 
was formed, those companies being the Paris &amp; Decatur Bail- 
road Company, Paris &amp; Terre Haute Eailroad Company, and 
the Peoria, Atlanta &amp; Decatur Eailroad Company. Warring 
Brothers &amp; Co., who were made parties by the amended bill, 
were owners of stock and bonds. Afterwards, Grant &amp; Brother 
were made parties defendant by order of the court, and an- 
Bwered the bill; and subsequently, James F. Secor, beiugthe 
trustee of the Peoria, Atlanta &amp; Decatur Eailroad Company 
mortgage, giyen to secure bonds issued by that company, and 
the Paris, Atlanta &amp; Decatur Eailroad Company, and the 
Paris &amp; Terre Haute Eailroad Company, were made parties 
defendant. At the March term, 1877, the Illinois Midland 
Eailway Company, defendant, filed an answer to the bill. 
Afterwards, the answer of the Paris &amp; Terre Haute Eailroad 
Company and Paris &amp; Decatur Eailroad Company was filed ; 
and at the September term, 1877, the Union Trust Company 
was made, on its own motion, a party defendant. In its 
petition the Union Trust Company set out the particular cir- 
cumstances connected with its relations to the property, and 
the issuance of bonds by the different companies, and the 
formation of the Midland Company out of the others, and 
declared that it was the real party in interest as against the 
complainants. The varions trust deeds were set out. 
There seems to be a question whether or not there was an 
order made by the state court dismissing the bill and amended 
biU, as to some of the parties who are citizens of foreign 
couutries. Mr. Crea files an affidavit, alleging that there was 
not only a motion made directing their dismissal, but that it 
was granted by the court ; and in the transcript which is filed 
in this court there seem to be some leaves missing, which 
apparently corroborates the statement of Mr. Crea. The 
written motion appears in the record. The court and ail the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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whîcîi may cr may not take it out of this principle, There was, for 
example, no attempt at concealment; the beneflts secured did not 
flow to the individual, but to the office; and there is no evidence that 
it amounted, in point of fact, to a pecuniary sum whose influence 
would be at ail appreciable. 
7. Questions of Doubt Postponbd Uktil Final Hearing. — A contract 
will not be set aside on preliminary hearing on the ground of its 
invalidity, exoept in a clear case ; and since the objections to the con- 
tract in question may be removed on final hearing, they wUl not, at 
present, be regarded as fatal to it. 
In Equity. Motion to Dissolve Injunction. 
0. P. Beckwith and N. Williams, for plaintif. 
Wager Swayne, John T. Dillon, J. P. Usher, and Everest e 
Waggener, for defendants. 
Miller, C. J. The suit in this case was brought by the 
Western Union Telegraph Company in one of the state courts 
of Kansas, and, on application to a probate judge of the 
proper county, an injunction was allowed, which it is the par- 
pose of the present motion to dissolve. The laws of Kansas 
make the indorsement of the county judge, on the petition, 
that an injunction is allowed, to bave the same effect as in 
the courts of the United States, in equity proceedings, is 
allowed to a writ of injunction regularly issued under the seal 
of the court. 
The county judge made such an indorsement, allowing the 
injunction as prayed for by the bill. The prayer of the bill 
was in substance to restrain the Union Pacific Eailway Com- 
pany, the Kansas Paciûc Eailroad Company, and the Amer- 
ican Union Telegraph Company from interfering in any 
manner with the telegraph wires and other appartenant appa- 
ratus of the Western Union Telegraph Company. The allega- 
tion on which the allowance was made, was to the effect that 
the defendants were about to sever the connection between 
the wires of the Western Union Telegraph Company and its 
batteries, so that they could not be worked by the telegraph 
Company, and to connectthose wires with the batteries of the 
American Union Telegraph Company and with batteries of 
the Union Pacific Eailroad Company, and thus destroy the 
utility of those wires for the purposes of the Western Union&lt;noinclude&gt;
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côntrotersy extenas from'Kansas Cïty, in Missouri, to Deri- 
ver City, in Colorado ; and cOnsists of three wires, the requi- 
site pôles, batteries, and other xaachinery necessary to the 
successful working of those wires, erected along the line and 
on the right of way of the Kansas branch of the Pacific Eail- 
way Company. That branch bas become Consolidated with 
the Union Pacific Eailroad Company, and they are both 
worked and held as one corporation, under the style of the 
Union Pacific Eailway Company. The contract was made in 
the year 1866, between the Kansas Pacific Eailway Company 
on the one part, and the Western Union Telegraph Company 
on the other, under which this telegraph line bas been mainly 
erected and operated sinoe it was erected. By that contract, 
about the construction of which the parties diiïer somewhat, 
there is no disagreement as to the following matters : Pôles 
were to be erected on ground embraced within the right of 
way of the railroad company.' That company was either to 
farnish the pôles or pay the price of them if furnished by the 
Western Union Telegraph Compàby, and to furnish one wire 
or pay the cost of that wire. The telegraph company was to 
furnish the batteries, and to furnish any other wire beyond 
that one, as it should' become necessary, at their own^ cost. 
The erection .of the pôles, the attachment of the wires to 
them, and the expense of placing the batteries in position, 
conneieting them with the wires, was to be borne jointly and 
equally by the parties. The lines of these wire.3 were both to 
be operated by operators appointed by the railroad company, 
and paid for jointly. The railroad company was to have the 
exclusive control and use of the first wire put up. The tele- 
graph company was to have the exclusive use of the other 
wires until, in the opinion of the railroad company, the first 
wire should be insufiacient for the demands of the business of 
the road; in which event, by a proper compensation, the rail- 
road company was to have the use of another one of the wires 
put up by the telegraph company. It was one of the pro- 
visions of this contract that the railroad company should not 
send over its wire any commercial messages or any paid 
messages, or messages for any other person than for its owû&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tîons which those acts impose upon it for the benefit of the 
public. The amended biU, however, which was not before 
Judge McCrary when he decided that proposition, sets up an 
act approved July 2, 1864, entitled &quot;An act for increasing the 
facilitiea of telegraph communication between the Atlantic 
and Pacific states and the territory of Idaho,&quot; and claims 
that by virtue of that statute the present contract is a valid 
one. The first section of that act declared that &quot;the United 
States Telegraph Company and their associates were author- 
ized to erect a line of magnetic telegraph between the Mis- 
souri river and the city of San Francisco, in the state of 
California, on such route as they may select, to connect with 
the Unes of said United States Telegraph Company now con- 
structed and being constructed through the states of the 
Union.&quot; It gave the right of way over the public lands of 
the United States, and the right to draw materials for the 
construction of the line from the same public lands. The 
fourth section is as follows: &quot;That the several railroad com- 
panies authorized by the act of congress of July 2, 1862, are 
authorized to enter into an arrangement with the United 
States Telegraph Company, bo that the line of telegraph be- 
tween the Missouri river and San Francisco may be made 
upon and along the line of said road and branches as fast as 
said road and branches are built. And if said arrangement 
be entered into, and the transfer of said telegraph line be 
made in accordance therewith, to the line of said railroad 
and branches, such transfer shall, for ail purposes of the act 
referred to, be held and considered a fulfilment on the part 
of said railroad companies of the provision in the act in re- 
gard to the construction of telegraph Unes. And in case of 
digagreement, said telegraph company is authorized to remove 
their line of telegraph along and upon the line of railroad 
therein contemplated, without prejudice to the rights of said 
railroad companies.&quot; 
The allegation of the amended bill is that the Western 
Union Telegraph Company was, at the time it made the con- 
tract for the erection of the. telegraph line now in question, 
with the Kansas branch of the Pacific Bailroad Comnanv, the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/737</title>
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ized, under the authority of the laws of New York, and steps 
■were taken, the proceedings of which are presented to us, 
which were manifestly designed in effect to amalgamate, and 
consolidate, and bring together in oue organization, the 
rights and franchises, grants and powers of each of them. 
This Consolidated company adopted the name of the United 
States Telegraph Company, and it is recited in ita articles of 
association that one of its elements is the United States 
Company, which existed prior to the act of congress of 1864. 
We see here a conscious effort, although there may be some 
imperfection in carrying that into effect, to unite the powers 
of this United States Telegraph Company, organized in 1862, 
prier to the act of congress, with the powers of other com- 
panies, and to keep up its name and authority by the use of 
the same name in the Consolidated company. This last United 
States Telegraph Company finally became Consolidated with 
the Western Union Telegraph Company, or their fortunes 
became united and amalgamated in some shape not very 
clearly made out, and this is the action under which the West- 
ern Union Telegraph Company claims the right to make the 
contract which is the subject of consideration, 
I am not prepared to say, with any degree of assurance, 
that if this case oomes to a final hearing, and no more com- 
plete evidence is then given of the corporate existence of the 
first United States Telegraph Company of New York, and of 
the transfer of the powers granted to it by the act of congress 
of 1864 to the Western Union Telegraph Company than bas 
been presented on this hearing, that that contract can be 
sustained under the act of 1864, But I am prepared to hold 
that there is no such clear case made against the right of the 
Western Union Telegraph Company to ail the franchises and 
privileges of the original United States Telegraph Company, 
as to justify me in totally dissolving the present injunction, 
in view of the consequences which would foUow such action, 
which will be hereafter considered. . There is enough testi- 
mony to show that there was a purpose and design, through 
a series of transactions, to vest in the Western Union Tele- 
graj)h Company the rights which the act of July 2, 1864, con-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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its subscrîptions, call in more capital, and resume its business, 
which is emphatically the condition of corporations during the 
operation of the bankrupt act. Brbickerkoff v. Brown, 7 John. 
Ch. 216, 217, 226. 
Courts have often held that a corporation may be dissolvcd 
by an unoonditional repeal or surrender of its charter, in a 
manner authorized by law, and the court of errors of New 
York once held that if a corporation suffers acts to be done 
which destroy the end and object for which it was created 
and organized, that such acts are equivalent to a surrender 
of its chartered rights; nor is it necessary in this case to 
contravert that proposition, as it is clear that such a corpo- 
ration, under a proceeding in bankruptey, oannot be dis- 
charged of its debts, nor will such a proceeding have any tend- 
ency to deprive the corporation of the power to continue or 
to resume its business. Slee v. Bloom, 19 John. 456, 474. 
In coming to the conclusion, said Spencer, C. J., that the cor- 
poration in this case is dissolved, I lay out of the case every- 
thing of misuser or nonuser, excepting the influence which 
the fact of nonuser may have as evidence, Connecting with 
other facts, to show thje renunciation of corporate rights. 
Upon these authorities, and for the reasons given by the chan- 
cellor, the chief justice admitted that neither misuser nor 
nonuser could be regarded as a substantial and specifie 
ground of dissolution. Since that time the court of appeals 
has decided that, in order to infer a surrender of corpo- 
rate franchise, the cireumstances must be such that the cor- 
poration has lost ail power to continue or resume its busi- 
ness; which is not true of the corporation in this case, and 
never can be by the operation of the bankrupt proceedings, 
not even when such proceedings are foUowed by misuser 
or nonuser. Bradt v. Benedict, 17 N. Y. 93, 99. When 
the cases are carefully considered, it is clear that the exact 
rule to be applied in such a case, in Massachusetts and 
New York, is not substantially different. Controversy upon 
that subject can liardly exist; but the complainants contend 
that a corporation within the meaning of the state statute is 
dissolved when it has gone into bankruptey, and has ceased&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Pacifio Eailroad V. Missouri Pacific Eailway Compant 
and others. 
{Circuit Court, E. D. Missouri. , 1880.) 
1. J0BISDICTION — SuBPŒNAS— Service. — A suit to set aside a decree of 
foieclosure and sale thereunder is not so far a mere cmitinuation of 
the original foreclosure suit as to authorize the seivice of subpœnas 
uponpersons without the territorial jurisdiction of the court. 
2. Samb — 8amk — Samb — Solicitors. — ^The service of subpœnas on sollci- 
tors and attorneys of persoQS before the court in the former suit is of 
no validity, until an application to the court has flrst been tnade, set- 
ting forth the circumstanoes whichTender such service proper, and 
an order obtained from the court directing that service be raade, and 
that such service, when made, should answer as a substitute for actual 
service on the parties so represented by the attorneys or solicitors. 
Motion to vacate service of process. 
Glover e Skepley, for complainant. 
Melville C. Day, for defendants. 
Miller, C. J., (orally.) The case in -which the motion is 
made that we are about to decide is a suit brought in the cir- 
cuit court of the United States for the eastern district of Mis- 
souri, to set aside a decree and sale of the Missouri Pacific 
Eailroad, made upon a proceeding to foreclose a mortgage 
upon that road. In addition to the Missouri Pacific Eailroad 
Company, and some pereons who were also parties in that 
Buit, the present bill makes parties of the purcliasera at the 
sale, and several other individuals who were not parties to 
the former suit. Some of these are not citizens or residents 
of the state of Missouri, and have not been found within the 
district. The subpœnas were issued, and, in some cases, 
services had on these persons in the state of New York, and 
in the state of New Jersey ; and service has also been made, 
without any previens authorization of the court, on the attor- 
neys and solicitors, in the former suit of some of the defend- 
ants in the present suit. The motion is to vacate and set 
aside ail these services. 
The argument, by which ît is endeavored to support the 
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and pay tte saîd encumbrances ; and that it was not the 
intention of the 'parties to the deed that he should assume 
aaid encumbrances; and that the clause in said deed express- 
ing such agreement was inserted therein by the mistake of 
the scriveners who drew the same; and that he (Drury) 
accepted said deed without the knowledge that it contained 
said clause, and did not become aware of the faet that it did 
contain said clause until some time in July, 1877, when Dag- 
gett, for the purpose of correcting the mistakes of the scrive- 
ner, and effectuating the intention of the parties to the deed, 
executed and delivered an instrument, under seal, releasing 
the defendant Drury from the obligations to pay the said 
encumbrances. 
On February 17, 1880, complainant filed a supplemental 
bill, stating, in substance, that since the filing of the original 
bill a bill had been filed in this court against the said Drury 
and others by Eobert E. Kelly, the holder of the indebtednesa 
secured by the first mortgage for |28,000, and that such pro- 
ceedings had been had in said cause, that on the twenty- 
seventh day of June, 1878, a decree of foreclosure had been 
entered upon the said mortgage; and that upon the twenty- 
sixth day of July, 1878, the mortgaged premises were sold 
for the satisfaction thereof, and that no redemption had been 
had from said sale; and- that a deed had been made to the 
purchaser, by the master in chancery, on the thirtieth day of 
October, A. D. 1879; and prayed that the amount found due 
by the master in this cause be entered by this court against 
the defendant William Drury in accordance with the assump- 
tion of the said indebtedness. 
Drury's answer to the supplemental bill admits the ex- 
haustion of the proceeds of the mortgaged premises by the 
foreclosure of the first mortgage, and refers to his answer to 
the original bill, which, he prays, may be taken as a part of 
his answer to the supplemental bill. The proof in this cause 
is mainly applicable to the questions of the fact whether or 
not the defendant Drury, in the purchase of the eQ[uity of 
redemption of the mortgaged premises, agreed, as part of th&amp; 
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He might have been willing to give hia farm for the chance 
that ail these three pieces of property would xealize something 
over and above encumbrances, but it is hardly reasonable to 
•believe, in view of what must have been its then value, that 
he would have assumed so grave a responsibility as to make 
himself personally liable for this heavy prior indebtedness. 
It is true that Mr. Hutchinson, who drew the deed from Dag- 
gett to Drury, testifies that he must, from the course of 
business, have drawn the deed according to instructions, and 
would not have inserted this assumption clause unless directed 
to do so; but his directions may have come from some one 
who had no authority in the- premises, or who was acting 
under a mistake or misunderstanding as to the terms of the 
contract. 
Two questions of law arise upon the facts in this case as I 
now find them — First, can the complainant maintain this bill 
solely for the purpose of obtaining a personal decree against 
the defendant Drury, assuming that he did agree to pay the 
mortgage debt held by the complainant ? Second. It appear- 
ing as an admitted fact in the case, as it is alleged in the bill 
and not denied in the answer, that the complainant purchased 
the notes secured by this mortgage in November, 1876, for 
value, before any default or maturity thereof, and after the 
defendant Drury had, by the deed to him which then appeared 
of record, apparently assumed to pay this mortgage debt, can 
he now be heard to say, as against this complainant, that he 
did not assume such payment ? In other words, must the 
court presume that, the complainant purchased these notes 
upon the faith of Drury's assumption and agreement to pay 
the same. 
As to the first question, it is an established rule that when 
a court of equity has once obtained jurisdiction of the parties 
and subject-matter, it will retain it for the purpose of do- 
ing complete justice between the parties. The bill in this 
cause was filed for a foreclosure of the mortgage in question. 
The citizenship of the parties brought the subject-matter 
within the jurisdiction of the court. The relief prayed was 
such as the court was adequate to give. It could not only&lt;noinclude&gt;
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facts more direotly within ehe rule of the cases adjuSicated 
in. New Jersey and Massachusetts, which hold that the ha- 
bility of the grantee of the mortgagor, who has assumed the 
mortgage debt, can l»e enforced in equity by an application of 
the principle of equitable subrogation. From these various 
considerations I have, therefore, no difSculty in reaching the 
conclusion that the court still has jurisdiction to pass upon 
the question of Drury's liability, and to render a personal 
decree against him if justified by the law and facts. 
As to the second question, it appears from allegations in 
the bill which are not denied by the answer, and are admitted, 
that the complainant purchased the notes secured by this 
mortgage for a valuable consideration, before due, and after 
the deed from Daggett to Drury had been made; and, in 
November, 1876, when thia transaction by the well-settled 
law of this state, where this transaction took place, and ail 
the parties resided, the assumption of this indebtedness by 
Drury enured to the beneflt of the mortgagee, and could be 
enforced by him either at law or in equity. The mortgagor 
in this case was the holder of these notes ; that is, these notes 
were given to be negotiable, made payable to the order of the 
mortgagor, and the mortgage passed with the notes as an 
incident then free of the equities between the original parties. 
The case of Carpenter v. Logan, 16 Wall. 27, sustains fully 
the doctrine which I have laid down here, that the parties to 
a mortgage cannot set up a mistake as against the purchaser 
of the notes and the holder of the mortgage debt. The same 
doctrine was affirmed in the case of the New Orleans Canal 
dt Barge Co. v. Montgomery, 95 U. S. 16. The court must 
therefore presume that when the complainant purchased these 
notes she took them .vith knowledge of the fact that the 
defendant Drury had assumed and agreed to pay them, and 
that the obligation could be enforced by the holder of the 
notes. The defendant Drury had by this deed made himself, 
apparently, at least, a quasi party to the notes. He had 
agreed to assume and pay these notes, and thereby had given 
them, the court must presume, currency in the market. The 
mortgagee — that is, the hona fide holder of these notes — is, to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/797</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>642576</id>
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In re Eunzi and others, Bankrupts. 
(Ovreuît Gmrt, 8. D. lUinoia. Auguat, 1879.) 
1 OtmiBnicTioN — Service op Process. — Suit was brought and proceas 
served upon a defendant in one county, and additional process issued 
and served upon anotlier defendant in another county, under the laws 
of the State of Illinois. Jldd, that it could not be objected, after 
judgment, that the defendant flrst served did not reside within the 
county in which suit was brought. 
2. BAHKETJPTCy — PREFERENCE — JUDGMENT AUTD BxBCtTTION. — It is Com- 
petent for a crediter to institute a suit against abankrupt, and obtain 
Judgment by default, and issue execution, and unless the bankrupt 
does some act by which he has participated in some way in the act of 
the creditor, the preference thereby acquired is a valid preference as 
against other creditors. 
8. Samb— Samb— Samb — Evidencb. — It will be sufflcient to defeat this 
preference if there has been but a slight participation by the bankrupt 
in ih9 act of the creditor, but the evidence of such participation must 
be sufficient to bring conviction to the mind. 
Appeal froin district court. 
J. H. Yeager, for appellant. 
Dbummond, C. J. This is an appeal by the assignee of the 
bankrapts from an order of the district court allowing a 
claim of John Fischback against the estate of the bankrupts. 
Fischbaeh recovered a judgment against the bankrupts on 
the twenty-ninth day of March, 1878, in the circuit court of 
Montgomery county, of this state, under the foUowing cir- 
cumstances: Fischback had, from time to time, advanced 
money to the bankrupts to assist them in their business, for 
■which he had received promissory notes. In the spring of 1878 
he seemed to be very anxious to have hisulaim paid or secured, 
and there is some evidence tending to show that the bank- 
rupts proposed to give Mm a mortgage, which, however, was 
not done. It is also apparent that Lehman particularly, who 
was the father-in-law of Fischback, was very anxious that his 
claim should be secured or paid. The bankrupts knew at 
the time that they were insolvent, and would be unable to 
pay ail their debts. 
It seems to have been thought by Fischback, in consulta-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The language of the statuts is that it shall not be lawful 
for any plaintiff to sue any defendant out of the county where 
the latter resides or may be found, except in local actions, 
and except that in personal actions, at law, when there is 
more than one defendant, the plaintiff eommencing his action 
where either of them resides may have his writ issued directed 
to another county. 
It will be observed that the statute, in the last clause, 
leaves out the words &quot;or may be found,&quot; which existed in the 
first ; and the question is whether it was intended to exclude 
the court from jurisdiction of the case where one of the 
defendants was found in the county, although he did not 
reside there. I can hardly think that this is the true con- 
struction of the statute. For the purposes which the law had 
in view, it may he said, I think, that wherever the defendant 
was found and served with process, he might be considered, 
as to the action, to be there a resident. Clearly, although he 
might be a resident, it would be indispensable that he should 
be found and served there; which could not be done unless 
he was personally in the county. Again, the authorities of 
this state seem to imply, if there is any objection to the form 
of the action, where parties reside and are served in different 
counties, that it is incumle.it on the defendants to take 
advantage of the defect before judgment, by bringing the mat- 
ter, in which the objection consiste, to the notice of the court. 
Nothing of that kind was done here, and so I think the court 
had jurisdiction of the cause, and the judgment must be con- 
sidered as operative upon the bankrupts. 
As to the other objection : 
The supreme court of the United States bas decided in sev- 
eral cases that it is competent for a crediter to iiistitute a suit 
against a bankrupt, andobtain judgment by default, and issue 
execution, and unless the bankrupt does some act by which he 
bas participated in some way in the act of the creditor, the 
preference thereby acquired is a valid preference as against 
other creditors. 
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/801</title>
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that there was not sufficient evidence to warrant that court 
in holding that the judgment and execution gave an unlaw- 
ful preference to Pischback, and in that opinion I concur; 
and therefore the decree of the district court will be affirmed. 
Note.— bee Farsona y. Caswell, 1 Fbd. Bep, 74. 
Pbckham ». CozzENS, Assignee. 
CozzENS, Assignee, v, Peckham. 
CozzENS, Assignee v. Smith. 
(District Court, D. Rhode Idand. August 20, 1880.) 
I. Banketjptcy — FRAtTDUUENT MoRTGAOB — BuKDKN OF Phoof. — In ordcr 
to defeat the claims of a mortgagee to the proceeds of the mortgaged 
real estate of a bankrupt mortgagor, the assignee must establish by a 
preponderance of eridence (1) that the mortgagor was insolvent at the 
time of the execution and delivery of the mortgage, (2) that the mort- 
gagee had reasonable cause to believe that such mortgagor was insol- 
' vent when he accepted the mortgage, and (3) that such mortgagee 
knew that said mortgage was made in fraud of the bankrupt law. 
In Equity. 
William P. Sheffield, for Peckham and Smith. 
Samuel R. Honey, for Cozzens, Assignee. 
Knowles, D. J. By agreement of councel these causes 
have been submitted to the court as really one cause, and the 
court been authorized and requested to consider them as one, 
although in fact, according to the record, each one of them 
is entitled to be treated as unconnected with any other of the 
series. That two of them are designated * * * * as 
cross-bills, is an immaterial fact. Under the arrangement it 
seems proper here to premise that I deem myself authorized 
to state the case, and the questions presented at the hearing, 
and my rulings or findings upon those questions, as briefly as 
may be consistent with intelligibility and clearness. The par- 
ties, in submitting these causes, of their own motion, un- 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/803</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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sonable cause to believe the said E. Truman Peckham to be 
insolvent when they accepted said deeds, and knew that said 
mortgagea were made in fraud of an act entitled, 'Au act to 
establish a uniform System of bankruptcy throughout the 
Umted States,' passed March 2, 1867, and the several acta 
in amendment thereof and in addition thereto.&quot; 
As conceded and assumed in argument at the bar, so must 
it be conceded here, that here arises the pivotai point of the 
cause or series of causes under discussion. Had there been 
no sale of the laud, and the assignee had filed his bill to set 
aside the said mortgages as void, upon him would have rested 
the burden of sustaining by satisfaetory proof the threefold 
allegation above quoted, to say nothing of the absence of any 
allegation as to the intent of the baukrupt. The same bur- 
den rests upon him here. His right to retain said proceeds, 
as against the demand of the mortgagees, depends upon his 
establishing by a preponderance of evidence the three afore- 
said allegations; it being understood to be an admitted fact 
that the intent of the bankrupt was to seeure his crediter 
brother, and brother-in-law. To this conclusion I have ar- 
rived after a deliberate consideration and study of the plead- 
ings and evidence submitted to me, and therefore proceed to 
consider the questions presented : 
1. Was the said E. Truman Peckham insolvent at the time 
of the execution and delivery of the mortgage deeds in ques- 
tion? 
As already stated, the assignee is bound to satisfy the 
court, by a preponderance of evidence, that the bankrupt 
■waa insolvent at the date speciiied. This, I must adjudge, 
he has failed to do. Indeed, it may be questioned whether 
any evidence even tending to support this allegation was 
offered, other than a copy of a writ of attaohment, which 
was admitted under an objection which I am constrained 
here to adjudge well founded, and an oiïer to produce from 
the files of the district court the original inventory and list of 
debts filed by the bankrupt, Peckham, at a certain stage of 
thia bankruptcy proceeding in his case, also admitted under 
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/821</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Jannet and others », The Tudoe Company. 
(District Court, D. Màitaehuseti». , 1880.) 
l NEG14GENCE— Shrineagb of Cutch— Stowageand HoisTrera.— 2,502 
bags of cutch were received on board a vessel at Calcutta, during the 
months of January and February.for shipment to Boston, and bills of 
lading were delivered for the same, containing the uaual exception of 
the perils of the sea, and the memorandum, &quot;weighta and contents 
nnknown.&quot; The cutch, -when received, had become somewhat soft- 
ened by a voyage, from Singapore, of 1,500 miles, and was therefore 
rebagged at Calcutta. It was stowed in the customary manner on 
the bottom of the ship's hold, but piled in tiers somewhat higher 
than usual. The ship sailed from Calcutta in March, and reached 
Boston in July. Every precaution was taken during the voyage to 
diminish the heat of the hold by ventilation, and, upon reaching Bos- 
ton, the bags were hoisted eut of the hold and delivered on the wharf, 
in the usual manner, by means of slings. ffeld, under the circumstances 
of the case, that a slrinkage of about 5 per cent, of the weight of the 
catch was owing to the inherent nature and quality of the article 
itself , and net to any negligence of the owners of the ship. 
John G. Dodge a Sons, proctors for libellants. 
Dana e Harding, for respondents. 
Nelson, D. J. This is a libel in personam, against the 
owners of the ship Iceberg, to recover for loss and damage 
of 2,502 bags of cutch, on a voyage from Calcutta to Boston. 
It appeared at the hearing that the cutch was received on 
board the Iceberg at Calcutta, in the months of January and 
Pebruary, 1878, in good order and condition, and bills of 
lading were delivered for the same, containing the usual ex- 
ception of the perils of the sea, and the memorandum, 
&quot;weights and contents unknown, &quot; 
The ship sailed from Calcutta early in March, and arrived 
in Boston in the foUowing July. In the course of the voy- 
age, in consequence of the heat of the lower hold, where it 
was stowed, the cutch had softened, had leaked out of the 
bags, and run together, and had become mingled with. the 
fragments of the bags and the dunnage, and had suffered a 
shrinkage of about 5 per cent, of its weight as received at 
Calcutta. In addition to the loss of weight, the libellants&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/827</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the time, on negotiable notes, inadequately secured. It 
charges that the directors permitted A. A. Hutchinson, now 
a bankrupt, to overdraw in 1872 and 1873 to the amount of 
$15,000, although he was at the time also largely indebted to 
the bank on negotiable notes inadequately securod. It charges 
that the directors, in July, 1873, declared a dividend of 6 
per cent, upon the face value of the capital stock of the bank, 
amounting to $5,921, that being dividend No. 12; and that 
this dividend was unlawfully paid out of the money of depos- 
itors and capital stock, and was paid to share-holders, 
whether their subscriptions td the capital stock had been 
fully paid or not. It charges that the directors declared and 
paid a dividend in January, 1873, known as dividend No. 11, 
amounting to $5,897, which was paid out of capital stock 
and deposits under like cù-cumatances to those charged as to 
dividend No. 12. The same charge is repeated as to divi- 
dends No. 10 and 9, paid respeotively in July, 1872, and in 
January, 1872 — one of them amounting to $4,643, and the 
other to $5,636; all these dividends being of 6 per cent, on 
the nominal value of the capital stock. 
The bnl charges that the said four dividends were declared 
and paid, although the least investigation would have dis- 
closed that the capitaJ stock of the bank had already been 
exhausted by eight previous dividends which the bank had 
declared and paid — the firs; being of 10 per cent., and 
amounting to $907; the second, of 13J^ per cent., amounting 
to $2,076; the third, of -10 per cent., amounting to $2,236; 
the fourth, of 10 per cent., amounting to $7,019; thefifth, of 
5 per cent., amounting to $8,835 ; the sixth, of 8 per cent., 
amounting to $8,420; the seventh amounting to $7,634; and 
the eighth to $2,576. The bili charges that the directors, 
after all the profits and capital of the bank had been absorbed 
by &quot;enormous dividends&quot; declared up to 1872, and by loans 
upon worthless and inadequate securities, nevertheless did, 
in the yearsof 1872 and 1873, with the capital andthefunds 
of depositors, buy up stock of the bank, as set out in a list 
exhibited, paying therefor $10,777. It charges that in 1872 
and 1873 the directors declared and paid dividends to the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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that heavy loss bas been incurred by the bank în conse- 
quencie of such omissions. It charges that Armstead, the 
cashier, is in default to the bank in the sum of |9,162, and 
that other losses have ocourred to the bank in consequence of 
certain of bis acts ; that he is utterly insolvent, and that the 
directors are responsible for the default and the losses referred 
to. Such, in condensed form, are the allegations of the bill, 
which the demurrer of the defendants admits to be true for 
the purpose of pleading. I am to assume that they are true, 
iu considering the questions raised by the demurrer. 
In what will be said further on in this opinion ail the sev- 
eral objections of the demurrer, exoept that mentioned in the 
third specification, will be either virtually or expressly con- 
sidered. It is objected in this third specification that the 
causes of action set out in the bill did not accrue within two 
years before the institution of this suit. This objection is not 
well taken. It is not necessary that a cause of action should 
originally accrue or arise within two years before suit is 
brought by an assignee in bankruptcy. It is only necessary 
that it shall exist at the filing of the petition in bankruptcy ; 
and that suit upon it shall be brought by the assignee within 
two yeiars after his appointment to office. It is settled law 
(In re Eldridge e Co. 2 Hughes, 256) that &quot;the effect in 
bankruptcy of the petition, the adjudication, and the assign- 
ment is to vest the assets in the assignee as a trust, against 
which the statute of limitations ceases to run&quot; from the date 
of the petition. Assuming that the right of action existed, as in 
this case, at the date of the petition in bankruptcy, then the 
assignee in bankruptcy (the trustees here) has a right to sue 
within two years &quot;from the time when the cause of action 
accrued for or against such assignee,&quot; that time being the 
date of the appointment and qualification of the assignee. 
The third specification of the demurrer must, therefore, be 
overrUled, for thia bill was filed on the first of April, 1 876, 
and the court will take judicial notice of the fact that the 
trustees were appointed more than ten days after the twenty- 
eighth day of March, 1874, the day of adjudication. 
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which could have been prevented if they had given ordinary 
care and attention to their duties. 
The bill in the present case makea no charge against the 
defendants as to the first three of the grounds of liability 
thus set out. It does not charge personal fraud or embezzle- 
ment ; it does not charge wilf ul misconduct or breach of trust 
bommitted for their own personal benefit at the expense of 
the interests of their corporation. It does not charge acts 
tdtra vires, unless, indeed, as is doubtless the case, the unlaw- 
ful declaration and payment of dividends out of capital stock 
and deposits fall within that designation. But it does charge 
throughout, such gross inattention and negligence on the part 
of defendants as allowed fraud and waste and ruinons injury 
to be committed, during two years of looseness and license, 
by officers, agents, and co-directors, who were under their 
control. Clearly, therefore, although the case of Spering's 
Appeal did show a dismissal of a bill in many of its features 
like that of the bill und.er consideration, yet the eminent 
court, in doing so, placed its ruling on grounds not belong- 
ing to the present case; and in its enumeration of acts, for 
whicfa it was of opinion that directors of a bank would be per- 
sonally liable, included the grounds on which this suit is 
brought. 
It will abundantly appear, from authorities and reported 
cases to be cited in the sequel, that the managing officers of 
corporations are personally liable for the results of gross neg- 
ligence, or what the jurists call crassa negligentia. If, by reck- 
less inattention to the duties confided to them by their cor- 
poration, frauds and misconduct are perpetrated by officers, 
agents, and co-directors, which ordinary care on their part 
would have prevented, then I think it may be said with truth 
that it is now elementary law, to be fouhd in all the books, 
that directors are personally liable for the losses resulting. 
Moreover, all authorities now tend to the conclusion that 
directors of banks and other moneyed corporations hold the 
relation to stockholders, depositors, and creditors of trustees 
to cestuis que trust, and as such are personally responsible for&lt;noinclude&gt;
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funds to be lost or wasted through gross negligence and in- 
attention to the duties of their trust. 
In Peahody y. Flint, 6 Allen, 52, which was a suit in equity 
by some stockholders against directors, the court say that in 
the discavery of frauda, and in furnishing remedies to parties 
defrauded, equity cannot suffer teclinicalities to stand in the 
way, but seizes upon the. substance of the case and holds all 
parties to their just responsibility, foUowing trust property 
into the hands of remote grantees and purchasers who have 
taken it with notice of the trust, in order to subject it to the 
trust. 
In March v. Eastern R. Cp. 40 N. H. 548, where the parties 
were in similar relations, the court entertained a bill to en- 
join, etc. 
In Heath v. The Erie B.Co. 8 Blatchf. 348, it was held 
that if several trustees are ail- of them implicated in a com- 
mon breach of trust, for •which the cestui que trust seeks relief 
in equity, ,he may bring suit against all of them, or against 
any of them separately, at his election, the tort being treated 
as several as well as joint, This suit was brought in equity 
by eight share-holders, who were foreigners. They made the 
Company and three of its directors defendants, thirteen other di- 
rectors not being brought in as such. The bill was sustained, 
and the relief asked for granted. 
In Curran v. Bank of Arkansas, 15 How. 311, it is said by 
the United States supreme court that it being &quot;once admitted 
that the property of an insolvent corporation, while under the 
management of its ofEcers, is a trust f und in their iiands for 
the beneflt of creditors, it foUows that a court of equity, which 
never allows a trust to fail for want of a trustee, would see to 
the execution of that trust, although, by the dissolution of 
that corporation, the legal title to its property had been 
changed.&quot; 
[The cases of Hodges t. New England Screw Co. 1 E. I. 312 ; 
Tayhr v. The Maine Exporting Co. 5 Ohio, 162 ; Brown v. 
Van Dyke, 8 N. J. Eq. 795; Lexington e Ohio R. Co. v. 
Bridges, 1 B. Monroe, 556; Bank of St. Mary' s v. St. John, 25&lt;noinclude&gt;
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V. Great West. Ry. Co. Id. 262 ; and Gregory v. Patchett, 33 
Beay. 595, explaining Foss v. Harbottle, 2 Hare, 461, and 
Mozley v. Alston, 1 Phillips, 790.] 
I will conclude this review of cases by citing the early, lead- 
ing, and important one of the Charitable Corporation, etc., v. 
Sutton, 2 Atkins, 401. The conapany brought a bill against 
its committee naen (directors) and other officers, praying to 
be relieved of their services, and to have satisfaction for 
breaches of trust, fraud, and mismanagement. The transac- 
tions complained of ran through a series of years, and wera 
committed, some by part of the defendants, some by others, 
causing losses, attributable, some to one or more defendants, 
some to others, making a case of varions and complicated 
responsibility, eapecially as the charge was of non-feasanoe 
or neglect of duty as well as of malfeasance. , 
The court held that the bill vrould lie, and among other 
things decided — First, that a gross non-attendance in a 
director may make him guilty of the breaches of trust com- 
mitted by officers and other directors ; second, that a 
director's saying that he had no benefit from his office but 
such as was merely honorary, is no excuse for his want of 
diligence; and, third, that when a supine negligence ap- 
peared in all the board, by which a complicated loss bas hap- 
pened, they are all liable. 
Considering that all the directors are liable, jointly and 
Beverally, in such a state of things, a bill eeeking to maka 
them so may not be amenable to the objection of multifa- 
riousness which would be open to that objection if the de- 
fendants were liable only severally. This point was decided 
by Lord Hardwicke in this case of the Charitable Corpora- 
tion, and his words on the subject were very emphatic. He 
said: &quot;Objection has been made that the court can make 
no decree upon these persons which will be just, for it is said 
every man's non-attendance or omission of duty is his own 
default, and that each particular person must bear such a pro- ' 
portion as is suitable to the loss arising from his particular 
neglect, which makes it a case out of the power of this court. 
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4. Samb— AoT op 1841— Rbpeal—&quot; Final Consummatios. &quot;— A case Is 
not &quot; oontinued to its flaal consummatiori,&quot; within the meaning of the 
aot repealing the bankrupt law of 1841, although the bankrupt may 
iave been diBcharged and his estate distributed, go long as there re- 
mains any order, decree, or action for the court, in the proper and 
usual exercise of its jurisdiction in llke cases, to enter or to take, or 
any redress or relief to be given to any party or person properly apply- 
ing to the court theref or in the case. 
6. Same — Salb of Real Estatk — Notice of Sale — Misdesokiption. — An 
ofScial assignee in bankruptcy, under the rules of the court, pro- 
ceeded to sell an interest in certain real property at public auction. 
It was described in the bankrupt's achedule of assets as &quot; my joint 
interest in Hunter purchase of lots in Chicago in Co. B. Hyde, man- 
aged by Charles Butler, agent in New York, and William B. Ogden, 
agent in Chicago; cost, originally, $20,000. This daim may be alreadj 
legally held by Edward Eldridge, of Boston, under my assignment to him 
of ninth June, 1838.&quot; In the adrertised notice of saleit was referred 
to as the bankrupt's interest &quot;in sundry lots in Chicago, 111., pur- 
chased with Simeon Hyde, and assigned to Henry Eldridge, Boston.&quot; 
This notice also referred to the papers on flle in the office of the court 
fbr a more certain and full description of the interest advertised for 
sale. The interest in the property in question never really had been 
assigned to Eldridge, and the advertised description was theref ore er- 
roneous in that particular. Held, that such interest passed under the 
subsequent public sale of the assignee, notwithstanding the erro- 
neouB description. 
C Same — Samb — Non-Delivert of Dbed. — Such notice also contained 
the provision, &quot; purchaser paying expenses of the formai deed of sale, 
if one be required, in addition to the amount of purchase.&quot; Ileld, in 
view of this provision, and in view of the fact that there had been a 
valid sale of the interest in the Chicago property, under which the 
price had been paid, that the mere non-delivery of a deed would not 
authorize a re-sale of such interest. 
7. Laches — ^Application to Annul Dbeds. — Although the dooti ine of 
laches may have some application to a petition to annul deeds inad- 
vertently given under the pretended authority of a court, to which its 
sanction was improperly obtained, yet it is clear that that pri nciple can 
have far less force in such case than in a prooeeding between vendor 
and vendee, where the vendee is put in possession under the deed 
afterwards assailed. 
Certain deeds in this case set aside as having been inadvertently and 
illegally made. 
In Bankruptey, under the act of congress passed August 
19, 1841. ■ 
William Allen Butler, for petitioners. 
B. F. Tracy and J. W. Cook, for respondent, Chapman.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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wholly irrelevant the, testimofiy relatitig to the existence and 
elïect of the disputed assignment by Simeon Hyde to McNulty 
and Chapman, under which Ghapman &gt; derives his alleged 
earlier and independent equitable interest as Hyde's assignee. 
It bas nothing to do with, and cannot affect, the questions 
involved in these applications, which are simply of the valid- 
ity and bona fides of the deeds in question, and Chapman's 
complicity in the fraud, if they are void for fraud, and of 
the petitioners' alleged laches in making the applications to 
set them aside, which, it is claimed by the respondent, should 
now preclude them from the relief asked for. We corne, 
theref ore, to the consideration pf those questions. 
The deeds in question made by Waddell, as assignee in 
bankruptcy of Henry King, are ûve in number, as f ollows : 
(1) A deed to Gordon L. Ford, dated July 15, 1845, but 
acknowledged and admitted to have been executed October 26, 
1868; (2) a deed to Gordon L. Ford, of the same date, and 
executed on the same day as the preceding; (3) ia deed to 
Isaac L. Hupt, dated December 3, 1858; (4) a deed to Isaao 
L, Hunt,, dated January 19, 1859; (5) ;a deed, to Chapman, 
the respondent, without date; but acknowledged July 11, 
1862. TJie deeds in questiop. made by Waddell, as assignee 
in bankruptcy of Simeon Hyde, are three in number, as fol- 
lows: (1) A deed to Gordon L.Ford, dated October 26, 1858; 
(2) a deed to Isaac L. Hnnt, dated January 19, 1859; (3) a 
deed to Chapman, the respondent, dated July 10, 1862. 
It is conceded that the two.deeds to Chapman were taken 
for the purpose of oorrecting a supposed error in the previens 
deeds, which error, it is now fidmitted, did not exist, and if a 
case is made out against Chapman for vacating the other 
deeds, these must also be vacated on the same grounds. It 
is unnecessary, therefore, to state the case, except with refei'- 
ence to the six earlier deeds. Long before the making of 
these deeds, certain proceedings were had in this court in rela- 
tion to the interest of the bankrupts supposed to be affected by 
the deeds. Henry King's schedule of assets thus refers to the 
matter of this property : &quot;My joint interest in Hunter purchase 
of lots in Chicago in Co. S. Hyde, managed by Charles&lt;noinclude&gt;
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that they are voîd, because there had been a prior sale of 
King's entire iiitereat, duly executed under the order of the 
court, because they were net made for a valuable considera- 
tion movingtothe estate of the bankrupt, because they did not 
conform to the order of the court under which theypurport to 
be made, but on the contrary varied therefrom in a material 
respect as to the interest purporting to be conveyed, and 
because they were procured by the respondent, Chapman, by 
fraud aîid deceit. The variaiice between the deeds and the 
orders cannot hare bcen acaidental, and being intentional was 
itself a gross fraud on the court, as well as upon the prior pur- 
chaser, on the part of all concerned in procuring the deeds. 
Simeon Hyde purehased his interest in the property in 
question in 1835 of one Porter, and he held a certificate exe- 
cuted by Charles Butler, dated October 10, 1835, to the effect 
that he wàs entitled to one-tenth of the property &quot;to be ac- 
counted for in money (and not in land) as a personal intereet 
when the said property shall be sold and the avafls theieof 
realized.&quot; On the tenth of December, 1836, Simeon Hyde 
executed an assignment of this certificate, and of all his right, 
title, and interest growing out of it, to James N.Hyde. This 
assignment was made tô secure James N. Hyde against 
indorsements niade for Simeon Hyde. In Simeon Hyde's 
bankruptcy sehedule, dated August 19, 1841, the property is 
described as &quot;one-tenth of an interest with Charles Butler 
and others in what is termed the Hùnter purchase, consisting 
of a large number of lots in Wolcott's addition, north side of 
the river, in Chicago; William B. Ogden, oî Chicago, agent.&quot; 
Meanwhile,' James N. Hyde had made an assignment to 
trustees for the benefit of creditors, and on the eighth of May, 
1844, the assignees of James N. Hyde assigned, by an instru- 
ment under seal, the said certificate, and all the interest of 
James N. Hyde therein, and all the estate, right, claim, and 
interest in the promises referred to therein to William B. 
Ogden for a valuable consideration, Ogden also purehased 
the shares of the other ownears and has ever sinee been in 
possession of the lands, claiming to be their sole owner. On 
the twenty-seventh of November, 1843, Waddell, the general&lt;noinclude&gt;
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freedom from parental and filial ties and duties which thelaw 
ordinarily bestows at the age of majority.' An examination 
of the numerous cases cited in this opinion shows that in no 
case has a complete . emancipation been inferred from the 
mere acquiescence of the pareiit in the child's contracting for 
and receiving his own earnings, nor in any case where the 
child had never left the parental home, and was employed in 
the sanie place and business as the father. 
&quot;Emanicipation being the exception, and not the rule, the 
burden is upon those who assert it. Sumner v. Sehec, 3 Me. 
223. The master has already reported , that he found no 
evidence of any intention on the part of the father to surren- 
der ail right to the control ci his son, and the authorities 
cited by the respondent do not satisfy him that there is a 
legal inference of such emancipation arising from the cir- 
cumstances. * * ♦ The master is, therefore, of opinion 
that Elm er H. Grey is still within the authority and under 
the control of the respondent. What, then, was the respond- 
ent's duty in the premises ? 'An order for an injunction or 
interim restraining order must be implicitly observed,and 
every diligence must be exercised to obey it to the letter.' Kerr 
on Injunctions, 569. 
&quot;ît has been held that it is a violation of an injunction for 
the defendant to be present at the commision of the act en- 
joined, aiding and abetting, although not actually taking part 
in it, (St. John's College v. Carter, 8 Law Jour. Eq. N. S. 
218 ;) or, under some cireumstances, to stand by and quietly 
suffer the injunction to be violated, (Stimpson v. Putnam, 41 
Vt. 238, 246; Blood v. Martin, 21 Geo. 127;) or to neglect to 
countermand a writ of execution after proceedings have been 
enjoined, (Woodley v. Bodington, 9 8imp. 214;) or to do the 
act enjoined as agent or servant for another person, (Potter 
V. Muller, 1 Bond, 601; Sickles v. Borden, 4Blatch. G. G. 14;) 
or to work for wages in a factory, the product of which is the 
prohibited article, (Goodyear v. Mullee, 5 Blatch. G. G. 429 ;) 
and defendant is liable to attaohment for the acts of his serv- 
ant, although done without hisknowledge, (Rantzen v. KothS' 
child, 14 W. E. 96.)&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/881</title>
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and extending out for some distance, which was kept close to 
the shore by a strong westerly wind. They arrived there 
after sundown, when it was already dusk, and the slip was 
full of ice, which extended out into the river 200 feet or 
more. It was drift ice ; not in large masses, but it vould 
have required considerable time to have got her into the slip 
as things were. The tide was more than half ebb. The libel 
charges that she could have been safely put in her slip when 
she arrived, and that the respondent deceived the master as 
to the depth of the water there, and fraudulently misrepre- 
sented that there was not sufficient depth of water for her to 
go in safely. As to this charge of deceit and fraud, it is not 
borne out by the evidence. I think the proof is that the re- 
spondent in good faith concluded that it was not safe to 
attempt to put her into the slip as the tide then was, and 
that he is not chargeable with any fault in not trying to do 
80. And it appears that he could not do it without the help 
pf the tug, and the master of the tug seems to have been 
unwilling to attempt it. Then foUowed some conference be- 
tween the respondent and the master as to what should be 
done. The master seems to have proposed to be anchored 
in the river, off Thirty-fourth street. He asked the pilot if 
it was a safe place to anchor. The respondent answered 
that it was ; and he brought the bark to an anchor near the 
middle of the river. The master then signed the pilot's card 
or bill, which indicated that he had finished his service, and 
dismissed the tug. The respondent left with the tug. This 
was about half-past seven in the evening. During the night 
the westerly wind died out, and the ice, coming down with 
the next ebb tide in great masses, surrounded the vessel and 
eut and injured her planks on and near the bow, so that they 
were nearly eut through. She was in great peril of being 
sunk, and, in the morning, put her flag at half-mast, to call 
assistance. By the aid of three tugs she was finally put into 
her berth on the north side of the Thirty-fourth-street pier. 
The charge chiefly relied on by the libellant is that the 
vessel was left in this way at anchor in an unsafe place, 
without the respondent informing the master of the danger&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/883</title>
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his rektifSns and thdse of the 'master ÎB one rather of form 
than of siihstance.&quot; 
It has been held, though with considerable hesitation, in 
England, that the admiralty has no jurisdiction of a suit in 
personam against a pilot for damages frorti a collision caused 
by his unskilfulness, the suit being by the owner of the vessel 
injured, net the one which he had charge of. The Alexandria, 
L. E. 3 Ad. &amp; Ec. 574, 582. The court followed the decision in 
The Urania, 10 W. E. 97, which appears to have proceeded 
partly on the ground that the pilot, having given a bond with 
a penalty, was liable only upon the bond, and partly on the 
terms of the English statutes oonferring jurisdiction on the 
court. The New York pilots are required to give a bond for 
tl^e ufaj^thful performance of their duty, but it is not for the 
beneftt of those who may suffer from their negligence or want 
of skill, but for the purpose of providing rewards and the 
relief c^l vessels in distress. N. Y, Pilotage Act, §§ 11 and 
22. It cannot he deemed, theref ore, to hav© been intended 
tp affect the remedies of others against them. In Hobart v. 
Drogan, 10 Pet. 108, it was held that the courts of admii-alty 
had jurisdiction' of sujts by pilots for their fees, although they 
^re appointed under state laws, and their conapensation is 
fi?,ed by the same laws, on the ground that the contract and 
the service were wholly maritime. It seems, also, that the 
present suit isfor a marine tort — an act of negligence or 
omission of duty in violation of a maritime contract,, from 
which resulted damage. The court has jurisdiction. The 
wrong done, if any, and the damage sufïered, were wholly on 
the water. 
On the merita the libellant is entitled to a decree. The 
very reason for having pilots at ail is that they know the 
peculiar perils of the port, which are presumed to be unknown 
to the masters of vessels, and espeoially of foreign vessels. 
Without a pilot to protect the vessel against these dangers 
she is unseaworthy. When, therefore, a pilot takes charge 
of a vessel at sea, to bring her into port, his duty is to stay 
by her, unless discharged, till she reaches her destination or 
fiome place of safety. This duty is reoognized by the re-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/891</title>
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ïndorsed. When the last payment was ruade the eertificate 
was assigned by Mr. Buchanan. No doiibt' «eetiis to have 
been entertained by the coal company that Mr. Buchanan 
was duly authorized to transfer the certificate, and perhaps 
it was net unreasonable that this conclusion should be reached. 
Mr. Buchanan has insisted, certainly from the beginning of 
this litigation, that he had due authority. 
Mr. Sharpe seems to be a very fair, well-meaning man, in- 
tending to do what was right and proper, and yet he was not 
quite as particular and clear as he ought to have been in 
dealing with a person like Mr. Buchanan. When first in- 
formed that Mr. Buchanan had the money, he did not inquire 
as precisely and definitely into ail the circumstances of the 
case as he ought to have done. If, for instance, — on his 
theory of the case, — he had said to Mr. Buchanan, &quot; You had no 
right to sell this property ;' what you did waS an unauthorized 
act ;&quot; and he if had then re'^used to treat with Mr. Buchanan 
on the basis that he was authorized to receive the money 
ai'isihg from the sale of the property, there would have been 
no dif&amp;culty about thô case. But he seems not tohavetaken 
any decided line of conduct, and adhered to it, froîn the first 
intimation given to him that the money had been reoeived. 
It is true, he claims that while Mr. Buchanan had told him 
He had sold the property and got the money, Mr. Buchanan 
àfterwàrds said the property had beeù redeemed, and that he 
did not understand distinctly that the certificate of purchase 
had been assigned. But it ib clear, I think, from the inter- 
views which took place between him and Mr. Buchanan, that 
the main object he had wastoobtain the-oioney. Of course, 
that was natural. It did not matter to the Insurance com- 
pany whether Mr. Buchanan had sold the land, or whefcher 
the decree of foreclosure had been paid or the property re- 
deemed. They did not wish to make a speculation off the 
sale. AU they wanted was the money, principal and interest, 
and it is to be observed that this is not without significance 
in determining what is the true view to be taken by the court. 
It seems to me very clear that when the dispute sprung up 
between Mr. Sharpe and Mr. Buchanan, as to the amount&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/899</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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In re Keaft and others, Bankrupts. 
[District Court, 8. D. Mw Torh. -, 1880., 
1. Bakkbuptct — DiscHARGB— EsTOPPEL. — The acceptance of a diyidend 
under an unlawful assignaient doea not estop a creditor from object- 
ing to the discharge of the assigner under subsequent proceedings in 
banliruptcy, where such creditor had no power to dissent from, repu- 
diate, or avoid such assignaient. 
Jos. S. Bosworth, Jr., îoi bànkrupt. 
JR. E. Prime, for creditor. 
Choate, D. J, In this case a reliearîng has teen granted 
upon the question of the discharge of the bànkrupt Kraft, 
upon the suggestion that the court and counsel had entirely 
overiooked one point in the case, which might be decisive in 
his favor. The discharge was refused on the ground that the 
bànkrupt had made a general assignment for the benefit of 
creditors about two years and seven months before he filed 
his petition. The point now made is that the opposing cred- 
itors received dividends under the voluntary assignment, and 
have thereby affirmed its validity, and are estopped to set it 
up as a fraudaient conveyance to prevent a discharge. 
There is some evidence upon which it is claimed that one of 
the two opposing creditors virtually assented to the assign- 
ment at or before the time it was exeeuted. This was held 
not sufficient as showing their assent to it, The case cited 
upon this rehearing, and hereinafter referred to, might lead 
to a reoonsideration of this question if it could affect the 
resuit. But as it is conceded that no such assent, otherwise 
than by the acceptance of a dividend, is shown against the 
other opposing creditor, it is unnecessary to consider further 
the effect of that evidence. The dividend was paid to the 
opposing creditors about 15 months after the execution of the 
assignment. Is this such a ratification of the assignment as 
precludes the creditor from opposing the discharge of the 
assigner in a subsequent bankruptcy, on the ground of his 
making the general assignment ? Several cases are cited in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/901</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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asserit. This is the purport of the English (lecisîona, and the 
rule might be the same here if a single crediter could put the 
debtor into bankruptcy. In re Cawkwell, 19 Ves. 232; Bam- 
ford V. Baron, 2 T. E. 594, (a) note ; Hicks v. Burfttt, 4 Campb. 
235 ; Ex parte Kilner, Buck's Cases in Bankruptcy, 105. But 
■where the crediter cannot, by any action of bis own, repudiate, 
dissent from, or undo the act of the debtor, his taking of a 
dividend under the assignaient cannot be deemed such an 
assent to it, or ratification of it, that he will be estopped to 
allege it against the debtor as a ground for ref using his dis- 
charge. The act done is, as regards the crediter, unlawful 
and improper; constructively fraudulent, in divertingthe Set- 
tlement of the insolvent debtor's estate from that mode of 
administration appointed by law to another mode seleeted 
by him ; and the appointed consequence of the illegality is the 
• forfeitare of the right to a discharge if opposed by the cred. 
itor 80 injured. To hold that the taking of a dividend by the 
crediter under this unlawful assignment, which he can neither 
prevent nor undo, estops him from alleging the making of it 
as a violation of law which ferfeits a discharge, weuld put it 
in the power of the debtor, designing an act in violation of 
the rights of his crediter, te compel the crediter to elect 
either to lese ail benefit of the distribution of his estate, or 
te lese the right to visit upon him the rightful consequence ef 
the illegal act. Such a resuit would be as clearly against 
geod faith and good morals, as it is te allow one whe has 
assented to an act te allege it against the party deing it, to 
the disadvantage ef that party, as if it were done without his 
consent and to his prejudice. 
The dictum in Mayer v. Hellman, 91 U. S. 496, 501, to the 
effect that creditors are deemed te bave acquiesced in preferen- 
tial or fraudulent transfers made bef ere the limited period prier 
te the bankruptcy, which is prescribed as the limit of time 
within which theymust be made to be set aside, has relation 
enly to the recovery of such preperty by action, and has no 
bearing on this question, which arises under the ninth sub- 
division of section 5110 ef the Eevised Statutes. That sub- 
division ef the section imposes no limit of time within'which&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/913</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and the record of this court in the suit in which the boat was 
sold was put in evidence, and, nevertheless, the jury found for 
the plaintiff for possession, and the justice rendered judgment 
as alleged in the answer. But obviously there is nothing in 
the suggestion that a purchaser under a marshal's sale, or 
one who succceded to his title, is net, equally with any other 
person having or claiming to have a title to a vessel, liable to 
be sued, in an action of replevin to recover the same, in any 
state court which, under the laws of the state, has jurisdiction 
over the parties, and also jurisdiction over the subject-matter; 
that is, of an action of replevin. 
Possession under a marshal's deed gives the grantee no 
exemption from being sued. If sued he must show his title 
by way of defence. The eommencing of a suit against him 
by due process of law is not an interference with the author-. 
ity of the marshal, or with the court by whoae authority he 
eells. There is nothing in the laws of the United States im- 
pairing the concurrent jurisdiction of the state courts over 
suits for the possession of ships beeause the title of the de- 
fendant sued is thus derived. The Royal Saxon, 1 Wall, 333. 
Nor is there any difference between a court of general and a 
court of limited jurisdiction in the elïect of the judgment as 
a conclusive determination of the rights of the parties, pro- 
vided the court had jurisdiction to hear and determine the 
case, and jurisdiction of the parties. A judgment of an in- 
ferior court is just as biuding in such a case as that of a court 
of general jurisdiction, subject, of course, to that right of 
appeal or review which the laws of the state may give to the 
defeated party. 
It seems also to be the law of the state of New York that 
the judgment rendered by a justice's court is valid, though 
not entered in his doeket, and omissions in his docket may 
be supplied by paroi evidence. In this case, although the 
entry of judgment is simply &quot;Costs, 8.75,&quot; it has been satis- 
factorily shown that the justice declared his judgment in favor 
of the plaintiff, after trial and verdict, and in conformity to 
the verdict. Hall v. Tuttle, 6 Hill, 38. 
ïhe question, then, is whether it is shown by the respond-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/919</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Beemed to exceed the value of the boat, Walier, with the 
approval of the master, and to save expense, gave the con- 
sent to, the decree of condemnation and sale, and also the 
consent for tl^ distribution of the proceeds. Neither the 
master nor Walker received any part of the proceeds. The 
evidence fails to show any fraud on the part of Walker or of 
the purchaser, Murtagh, and.this libellant in this suit was a 
purchaser in good faith from Murtagh's executor, 
So far as appears, the claims for which the several libels 
were filed were valid liens on the boat, and the evidence does 
not show that she was then worth more than $600, the price 
paid by Murtagh. On this state of facts the decree of con- 
demnation and sale are conclusive in favor of the purchaser, 
not with standing any irregularity in the notice given, or in- 
tended to be given, to parties in interest, by publication. A 
purchaser in good faith under a marshal's sale, upon a decree 
of a court of admiralty, will be protected in bis title if the 
court had Jurisdiction to decree the sale. The rules of the 
court require notice by publication before a default can be 
entered. If these rules have not been observed it is good 
ground for opening the decree and letting in a party to de- 
fend. The Hornet, Abb. Adm. 57. But the decree is valid 
until set aside or reversed, and cannot be attacked collaterally. 
Jurisdiction over the vessel is acquired by its seizure by the 
marshal under the process of the court, and this seizure and 
possession by the marshal are, in view of the law, notice to 
ail persons interested of the pendency of the proceedings, 
and of their right to intervene and protect their interests. 
Thus, in the case of The Mary, 9 Crancb, 126, 144, Chief Jus- 
tice Marshall says : &quot;The whole world, it is said, are parties in 
an admiralty cause ; and, therefore, the whole world is bound 
by the decision. The reason on which this dictum stands will 
determine its extent. Every person may make himself a 
party, and appeal from the sentence; but notice of the con- 
troversy is necessary in order to become a party, and it is a 
principle of natural justice, of universal obligation, that be- 
fore the rights of an indivual be bound by a judicial sentence 
be shall have notice, either actual or implied, of the proceed-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 3.djvu/927</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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no default of all who did not appear was eutered. If so, 
there was a departnre from the usual practice of the court. 
But every intendment, not inconsistent with the record, must 
be indulged to support the decree and the purchas«r'a title. 
The record does not show that a proclamation was not made, 
nor that a default was not taken. It may have been done 
and the clerk may have failed to note it. But if these for- 
malities were not observed, it is not perceived that the failure 
was anything more than error or irregularity. The substan- 
tial consideration is that the owners had constructive notice, 
and did not appear to defend their right. The court then 
had before it the fact that the vessel had bcen seized and 
held by the marshal, under his process, until its return day; 
that the process was duly served on the vessel itself, and 
that the only parties wh6 appeared as ciaimants consentsd 
to a decree of condemnation and sale. Whoever it waa whi- 
appeared by Mr. Walker had not made himself properly a 
claimant, since he had filed no sworn claim stating that he 
alone was the owner, nor given security for costs. His ap- 
pearance might have been struck out on motion, and perhaps 
his consent was not necessary to the validity of a decree ; but it 
was proper to have his consent, as appears to have been done. 
The circumstance that the decree recites the consent and 
does not recite the default of all other parties, is immaterial, 
ail other parties being in fact in default by not appearing. 
The omission is a merely formai defect, which could be 
amended or entirely disregarded. The allegations of fraud 
contained in the answer are not sustained by the proofs. 
Murtagh, the libellant, had an equal right with all other per- 
Bons to become a bidder and purchaser at the sale. The 
only difference that can be suggested between his position in 
that respect and that of any other person is that, being a 
party to the suit, he might be more directly chargeable with 
knowledge of circumstances, if there were any, in the course 
of the proceedings, indicating fraud. But there is no proof 
of fraud on his part. 
Upon the whole case it must be held that however irregular 
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justified in assuming that the schooner was proceeding under 
wind and tide, and in acting, upou that assumption, as she 
did. 
The libel must be dismissed and with eosts. 
BuBT V. The Steam-Boat Nevada. 
{District Court, E. D. Ne-J) York. July 16, X880.) 
1. Collision — NBGLiaEircB. 
Oscar Frisbie, for libellant. 
Beebe, Wilcox dk Hobbs, for claimant. 
Bbnedict, D. J. The evidence shows that the lighter 
Martin, beating in the East river with a fresh breeze from 
the eastward and an ebb tide, stood over towurds the New 
York shore across the course of the ferry-boat Nevada, then 
coming down the river not far from the middle thereof . After 
having crossed the course of the Nevada, the lighter went 
about at a considerable distance from the New York shore, 
and so close to the Nevada as to make it impossible for a 
collision to be avoided by any manœuvre on the part of the 
Nevada. 
The excuse given in behalf of the lighter, for going about 
when she did, is the existence at the time of an eddy along 
the New York shore, which, it is contended, made it impru- 
dent for her to continue her tack towards the New York shore. 
The excuse is not sufficient. There was an eddy along the 
New York shore, but it was not such as to render the lighter 
unmanageable. She could bave gone on in the eddy and 
have made her tack nearer the New York shore in safety. 
This it was her duty to do under the circumstances, and con- 
sidering her proximity to the ferry-boat then approaching in 
plain sight. The failure of the lighter to keep on further 
towards the New York shore, as she might have done with 
safety, and not any fault on the part of the ferry-boat, was 
the cause of the collision. 
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A. Cars;o of Two Eundred and 
Twf nly-seven Ton» of Coai. 
Lands V 47e 
Adair V. TKayer 441 
Adams, Southworth v l 
Adams V. Terrell 796 
Agaew, Mooney v. 7 
Alliert Field Tack Co., Dua- 
bar T 643 
American Whip Co. y. Hamp- 
den Whip Co 536 
Andersoa v. The PWladelphia 
Warehouse Co 130 
Ansonia Brass &amp; Copper Co., 
We3t,Braai«y&amp; Cary Manuf g 
Co. V .' 145 
Appertoû, Bahlî ôf Sherman v. 25 
Asbestos Felting Co., United 
States, etc., Feltiag Co. v 813 
AibestOi Felting Co., United 
States, etc., Felting Co. v. . . . 816 
Atlas Steam-gliip Co. v. Steam- 
«hipColoti 469 
Audenreid v. Woodward 173 
Backus, Sinclair y 539 
Bank oi Kova Scotia, In re.... 667 
Bank of Sherman v. Appenson. 25 
Bark Eloina, Johanssen v 573 
Bwnard, Faxon v 702 
Barnesville &amp; M. Ky. Co., In ra 10 
Bilrne.s villa &amp; M. B. Co., N. P. 
R.Co. V 172 
Barnesville &amp; M. B. Co., N. P. 
RCo.T 298 
Batemàn v. Fargason 32 
Behrv. Conn. Mut. Life Ins. Co. 857 
Benedict &amp; Burnham Manuf'g 
Co. V. Hollister 83 
Benham, Joseph Dixon Crucible 
Co. V 527 
Berry, United States v 779 
Bigler, Marshall 661 
V.4. 
Bigû»n V. Harvey •... 334 
B-ni'j.£», Norton v 623 
Bifcseil V. Downie 56 
Bissell, First Nat. Bank ▼ 694 
Black River Lumber Co., Ketch- 
umv 18» 
Board of County Com'rs of Pue- 
blo County, istebbins v 283 
Bonn, Bteiger v , 17 
Booth, Tiernan v 620 
Boston &amp; L. R. Corporation, 
Ogdensburg&amp; L. 0. R. Co. v... 64 
Brand v. United States 394 
Brennan v. Bteam-tug Anna P. 
Dorr 
Brewster, Brittonv 80 
Brick, In re 804 
Brill, Proctorv 415 
Britton t. Brewster 808 
Broadnaxv. Central Stock Tard 
&amp;TransitCo 214 
Brooks V. Farwell 166 
Brown v. Chesapeako 3s Ohio 
Canal Ca 770 
Brown v. Memphis &amp; C. R. Co. 37 
Buck V. Piedmont es Arlington 
Life Ins. Co 84d 
Burchell, In re 406 
Burleigh, Hodgdon v 111 
Burtoa v. ïovva of Koshkonong 373 
Buzzell V. O'Connell 325 
California Vigbrit Powder Co., 
Giant Co. v 720 
Canal-boat Chester Hair, Die- 
bolt V 671 
Candeo v. Citizens' In». Co 143 
Case, Dcxterville Manuf'g Se 
Boom Co. T 873 
Central R. Co., Mackay v 617 
Central Stock Yard &amp; Traniit 
Co. , Broadnax v 214 
Chandoa, The, Peterson y. 649 
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Illinois Cent. R. Co., Nat. Car- 
Brake Shoe Co. V 219 
Jennings, Hicks v 855 
Johanssen V. Barlc Eloina 673 
Johnson, Clarke v 437 
Josepli Dixon Crucible Co. v. 
Benliam 527 
Junction R. Co., Lathrop v. . . . 41 
Kansas Pac. Ry. Ce, Western 
Union Telegraph Co. v 284 
Kay.Leechv 72 
Ketehum v. Black River Lumber 
Co 139 
Kimball v. County of Stanton.. 325 
Kingsbury, Hamilton v 428 
Knox V. New Idria Mining Co. 813 
Knox V. Quicksilver Mining Co. 809 
Kralt.Inre 523 
La Caisse Generale des Assur- 
rances Agricoles et des Assur- 
rances Contre l'incendre, 
Putnam v 753 
Lako Bhore &amp; M. 8. R Co., Nat. 
Car-Brake Shoe Co. v 219 
Lambert Building &amp; Loan As- 
sociation, Lindsey v 48 
Lancasliire Ins. Co., Mack v. . . 69 
Lands v. A Cargo of Two Hun- 
dred and Twenty-seven Tons 
of Coal 478 
Lathrop V. Junction R. Co 41 
Lee, Whitev. 916 
Leechv. Kay 72 
Lewis, Lindner v 318 
life Association of America, 
Chester v 487 
Lindner v. Lewis 318 
Lindsey v. Lambert Building &amp; 
Loan Association 48 
Logansport, C. &amp; S. W. Ry. Co. 
Farmors' Loan &amp; Trust Co. v. 184 
Longstreet v. Bteam-boat R. R. 
Springer 671 
Louisville &amp; N. R. Co., South- 
ern Express Co v 481 
Macdonald y. Shepard 223 
Mack V. Lancashire Ins. Co . . . . .59 
Mack V. Me Daniel 294 
Mackay v. Central R. Co 617 
Manson, Clarkson v 2.') 7 
Marshall v. Bigler 561 
Martin, In re 208 
Marx, Etting v 673 
Mason v. ClifEord 177 
Mason v. Cotton 792 
Matthewg v. Shoneberger 636 
Page 
May V. Simmons 499 
McCartyv. Steam-propeller City 
of New Bedford 818 
MoCracken'v. Covington City 
Nat. Bank 602 
McDaniel, Mack v 294 
McEwell, In re 13 
McKay, Smith v 853 
McNally v. Steam-tug L. P. 
Dayton , 834 
McNeal, Howes v 151 
Memphis &amp; C. R. Co., Brown v. 37 
Mempliis&amp; St. Louis Paoket Co. 
V. Steam-boatH. C. Yeager.. 927 
Merchants' National Bank v. 
Thompson 876 
Merchants' Steam-ship Co. v. 
Schooner 8. C. Tryon 236 
Merritt, D wight v 614 
Meyer v. Gateus 35 
Miller V. U. P. R. Co 768 
Moller, Hatfield v 717 
Mooney v. Agnew 7 
Moore, Hardy v 843 
Moore, Tillmore v 231 
Murphy v. Schooner Mary S. 
Hontvet 920 
Nat. Car-Brake Shoe Co. v. D. 
L. &amp; N. R. Co 224 
Nat. Car-Brake Shoe Co. v. I. 
C. R. Co 219 
Nat. Car-Brake Shoe Co. v. L. 
S. &amp; M. S. R. Co 219 
Nat. Bteam-shipOo.,Dwyer T.. 493 
New Brunswick Carpet Co., In 
re 514 
New Idria Mining Co. v. Knox. 813 
Newton, Homans v 880 
Northern Pac. R. Co. v. Barnes- 
ville &amp; M. R. Co 172 
Northern Pac. R. Co. v. B. &amp; M. 
R. Co 298 
Northern P. R. Co. v. St. P., M. 
&amp;M.R.C0 688 
Norton v. Billings 623 
Nye, United States v 888 
O'Connell, Bnzzell v 326 
Ogdensburg &amp; L. C. R. Co. v. 
Boïfton &amp; L. R. Corporation . . 64 
Onderdonlc v. Fanning 148 
Orhancivich v. Steam-tug Amer- 
ica 337 
Ormsby v. U. P. R. Co 170 
Ormsby v. U. P. R. Co 706 
Paduoah &amp; M. R. Co., Ward v.. 883 
Parker, Voyles v .... 210 
Perdue, United States v 897&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Peterson v. The Chandos 646 
Philadelphia Wareliousa Co., 
Andersen ▼ 130 
Piedmont &amp; Arlingtoa Life Ins. 
Co., Buck T 849 
Hngs, United States r 714 
Pope V. Swiss Lloyd Ins. Co. . . . 163 
Portsmouth Savings Bank v. 
City of Springfield 276 
Proctor T. Brill 415 
Putnam v. Commonwealth Ins, 
Co 763 
Putnam v. La Caisse Generale 
des Assurances Agricoles et 
deg Assurances Contre l'In- 
cendre 753 
Putnam t. Tinkham 411 
Quicksilver Mining Co., Knox 
T 809 
Railroads, Stevens r 97 
Reading t, Texas &amp; P. R. Co. . . 134 
Reclamation District No. 108 t. 
Hagar S66 
Richardson v. Ship Havre 748 
Rollins V. Steamer B. O. Stan- 
ard 750 
Root T. E. N. Welch Manuf'g 
Co 423 
Bt. Croix Countf , Wadsworth v. 378 
Bt. Paul, M. &amp; M. R. Co. v. N. 
P. R. Co 688 
Bcammon, Conn. Mut. Life Ins. 
Co. V 263 
Bchmidt V. Steam-ship Pennsyl- 
vania 848 
Bchooner B. F. Woolsey, Terrell 
T 652 
Bchooner Eliza B. Emory, Clay- 
ton T 342 
Bchooner Mary Chilton, The ... 847 
Bchooner Mary S. Hontvet, 
Murphy t 920 
Bchooner 8. C. Tryon, Mer- 
chants' Steam-ship Co. v 236 
Bchooner Theresa Wolf , Crowell 
V 1.^2 
Seaman, Whitmun v 436 
Bhepard, Macdonald v 22S 
Bhip Havre, Richardson t 748 
Ship Shand, The 825 
Shoneberger, Matthews v 635 
Shreve, Spindle V 136 
Bhumway v. Chicago &amp; I. R. 
Co 385 
Biebert Cylinder Cil Cup Co. t. 
Harper Steam Lubricator Co. 32S 
Simmous, Hay 7. 499 
Fag» 
Sinclair v. Backus, 63S 
Blawson v. G. S., P. P. &amp; F. R. 
Co 531 
Smith V. McKay 353 
Smith V. Steamer Joshua Le- 
vines l 846 
Smith T. Temple 392 
ftnith V. Town of Ontario 386 
Southern Express Co. t. L. &amp; 
N. R. Co 481 
Southworth v. Adams 1 
Spindle v. Shreve 136 
Steam-boat H. C. Yeager, Mem- 
phia &amp; St. Louis Packet Oo. y. 927 
Steam-boat Narragansett,Green- 
man V 244 
Steam-boat R. R. Springer, 
Longstreet v 671 
Steamer E. O. Stanard, Rol- 
lins V 760 
Steamer Joshua Levines, Smith 
V 84« 
Steam-propeller City of New 
Bedford, McCarty v 818 
Steam-ship Alhambra, Clen- 
dinin v 8&lt; 
Steam-ship Colon, Atlas Steam- 
ship Co. V 469 
Steam-ship Louisiana, Wahh v. 751 
Steam-ship Pennsylvania, 
Schmidtv 64S 
Steam-ship Swiftsure, Ehrman 
T 463 
Steam-ship Victoria, Couillard v. 189 
Steam - tug America, Orhano- 
vich T 337 
Steam-tug Anna P. Dorr, Bren- 
nan v 459 
Steam-tug L. P. Dayton, Mc- 
Nally V 834 
Btebbins Hydraulic Elevator 
Manuf'g Co. t. Stebbina 445 
Stebbins, Stebbins Hydraulio 
Elevator Manuf'g Co. v 446 
Stebbins v. Board of County 
Commissioners of Pueblo Co. 282 
Steers v. Daniel 587 
Steiger v. Bonn 17 
Steiger t. Heidelberger 455 
Stevens v. The Railroads 97 
Swedish Bark Adolph, The .... 730 
Swiss Lloyd 1ns. Co., Pope v. .. 153 
Temple V. Smith 393 
Terrell, Adams v 796 
Terrell v. Schooner B. F. Wuol- 
sey ... 652 
Texas &amp; P. R. Co., Reading v . . 134 
Thayer, Ad.iir v 441 
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Candee v. Citizens' Ins. Co 143 
Citizens' Ins. Co., Candee v. ... 143 
E. N. Welch Manuf'g Co., Root 
V 423 
Harper Steam Lubricator Co., 
Siebert Cylinder Oil Cup Co. 
V 328 
Hollister, Benedict &amp; Burnham 
Manuf'g Co. V 83 
Joseph Dixon Crucible Co. v. 
Benham 527 
Putnam v. Tinkham 411 
Rokjt V. E. N. Welch Manuf'g 
Co ; 423 
Siebert Cylinder Oil Cup Co. v. 
Harper Steam Lubricator Co. 328 
Tinkham, Putnam v 411 
West, Bradley &amp; Cary Manuf'g 
Co. V. Ansonia Brasa &amp; Cop- 
per Co 145 
CmcTJiT CoTJBT, E. D. New Yoek. 
Clarke v. Johnson 437 
Dwyer v. Nat. Steam-ship Co.. 493 
Fanning, Onderdonk v 148 
Grand Street, P. P. &amp; P. R. Co., 
Slawson v 531 
Johason, Clarke r 437 
ISTat. Steam-ship Co., Dwyer v. . 41)3 
Onderdonk v. F.&quot;vming 148 
Slawson v. Grand Street, P. P. 
&amp;P.R. Co 631 
District Couet, E, D. New Tokk. 
Bark Bloina, Johanssen v 573 
Clendinin v. Steam-ship Alham- 
bra 86 
In the Matter of the Bank of 
Nova Scotia v. Proceeds of the 
BrigLillian 667 
Johanssen V. Bark Eloina 673 
Proceeds of the Brig LilHan, In 
the îlatter of the Bank of 
Nova Scotia v 667 
Steam-ship Alhambra, Clen- 
dinin V 86 
Circuit Court, N. D. New Yokk. 
Bignall v. Harvey 334 
Brand v. United States 394 
Gomnionwealth Ins. Co., Put- 
nam V 753 
Hamilton v. Kingabury 428 
Harvey, Bignall v 334 
Howes V. McNeal 151 
Page 
Kingsbury, Hamilton v 423 
La Caisse Generale des Assur- 
ances Agricoles et des Assur- 
ances Contre l'Incendre, Put- 
nam V 753 
McNeal, Howes v 151 
Putnam v. Commonwealth Ins. 
Co 753 
Putnam v. La Cai.sse Generale 
des Assurances Agricoles et 
des Assurances Contre l'In- 
cendre 753 
Smith V. Townof Ontario 38« 
Town of Ontario, Smith v 3S6 
United States, Brand v 394 
CiHcuiT Court, 8. D. New York. 
Adair v. Thayer 441 
Asbestos Pelting Co., United 
States, etc., Felting Co. v 813 
Asbestos Felting Co., United 
States, etc., Felting Co. v 816 
Atlas Steam-ship Co. v. Steam- 
ship Colon 469 
Brewster, Britton v 808 
Britton v. Brewster 808 
Central R. Co. , Mackay v 617 
Clarkson v. Manson 257 
Corwin, In re 808 
Dwight V. Merritt 614 
Powler, In re 303 
Heidelberger, Steiger v 455 
Mackay v. Central R. Co 617 
Manson, Clarkson v 257 
Matthews v. Shoneberger 635 
McNally v. Steam-tug L. P. 
Dayton 834 
Merritt, Dwîght v 614 
Richardson v. Ship Havre 748 
Schooner B. F. Woolsey, Terrell 
V 552 
Beaman, Whitmun v 436 
Ship Havre, Richardson v 748 
Shoneberger, Matthewa v 635 
Steam-ship Colon, Atlas Steam- 
ship Co. V 469 
Steam-tug L. P. Dayton, Mc- 
Nally v 834 
Btebbins, Stebbins Hydraulic 
Elevator Manuf'g Co. v 445 
Stebbins Hydraulic Elevator 
Manuf'g Co. v. Stebbins 445 
Steiger v. Heidelberger 4Sï 
Terrell v. Schooner B. F. Wool- 
sey 052 
Thayer, Adair v 4*5 
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CracDiT OoiTWP, W. D. TiaoraissEE. 
Bank of Shennan y. E. M. Ap- 
person &amp; Co 25 
Bateman v. Fargason 32 
Behrv. Conn. Mut. Life Ins. Co. 357 
Brown v. Memphis &amp; C. R. Co. 37 
Chester v. Life Association of 
America 487 
Connecticut Mut. Life Ins. Co. 
Behrv 3D7 
Coppersmith, United States y. . 198 
DanieJ, Steers v 587 
B. M. Apperson &amp; Co., Bank of 
Sherman V ,'... 25 
Fargason , Bateman v. , 32 
Sateus, Meyer, Weis &amp; Co. v. . . 35 
Hart, United Btates v 292 
Life Association of America, 
Chester V 487 
Memphis &amp; C. R. Co., Brown v. 37 
Meyer, Weis &amp; Co. v. Gateus. . . 35 
Paducah &amp; M. R. Co., Ward v.. 862 
Railroads, The, Stevens v 97 
Steers V. Daniel ,. 687 
Stevens v. The Railroads 97 
United States v. Coppersmith.. . 198 
United States t. Hart 292 
Ward V. Paducah &amp; M. R. Co.. 862 
DiSTBiCT CouBT, W. D, Tbniîbsskb. , 
Two Brothers, The 158 
SEVENTH CIECUIT. 
CmcuiT Court, N. D. Iluhois. 
Billings, Norton V. 623 
Booth, Tiernan V 620 
Chicago &amp; I. R. Co., Shum- 
way V 385 
Connecticut Mut. Life Ins. Co. 
T. Scammon 263 
Geissler, Ex parte 188 
Haish, Washburn &amp; Moen Man- 
uf'g Co. V 900 
Illinois Cent. R. Co., Nat. Car- 
Brake 8hoe Co. V 219 
Lake Shore &amp; M. S. R. Co., Nat. 
Car-Brake Shoe Co. v 219 
Nat. Car-Brake Shoe Co. v. Illi- 
nois Cent. R. Co 219 
Nat. Car-Brake Shoe Co. v. Lake 
Shore &amp; M. 8. R. Co 219 
Norton v. Billings 623 
P»g» 
Scamnion, Conn. Mut. Life 1ns. 
Co. v 263 
Shreve, Spindle v 136 
Shumway v. Chicago &amp; I. R 
Co 386 
Spindle v. Shreve 136 
Tiernan v. Booth 620 
Washburn &amp; Moen Manuf 'g Co. 
T. Haish 900 
DiSTBicT CouET, N. D. Ilunois. 
Third Nat. Bank, In re 77B 
CinctTiT CoDBT, 8. D. Illinois. 
City of Springfield, Portsmouth 
Savings Bank v 276 
Portsmouth Savings Bank v. 
aty of Springfield 278 
Circuit Court, D. Ikdiaha. 
Bissell V. Downie 55 
DoTvnie, Bissell v 55 
Downie v. Downie 55 
Farmer's Loan &amp; Trust Co. T. 
Logansport, C. &amp; S. W. Ry. Co. 184 
Forsyth, In re 629 
Logansport, C. &amp; S. W. Ry. Co. 
Farmers' Loan &amp; Trust Co. v. 184 
McEwen, In re 13 
Parker, Voyies v. 210 
Voyles V. Parker 210 
Wood V. Wright 611 
Wright, Woodv 611 
Circuit Court, E. D. Wisconsi». 
Adams, Southworth v 1 
Case, Dexterville Manufg A 
Boom Co. v 873 
Dexterville Manufg &amp; Boom 
Co^ V. Case 873 
Southworth v. Adams 1 
CiBCtnT Court, W. D. WiscoNsm. 
Black River Lumber Co., Ketch- 
um v 139 
Burton v. Town of Koshkonong 373 
Clifiord, Mason v 177 
Ketchum v. Black River Lumher 
Co 139 
Mason v. Cliflord 177 
St. Croix County, Wftdsworth T. 378 
i Town of Koshkonong, Burton 
1 v 373 
i Wadsworth v. St. Croix County 37S&lt;noinclude&gt;
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further, that &quot;if the federal court had, by no previens act, 
jurisdiction to pass upon and determine the controversy 
existing between the parties in the parish court of Orleans, 
it was invested with the neeessary jurisdiction by this act 
itself as soon as the case was transferred. In authorizing 
and requiring the transfer of cases involving particular con- 
troversies from a state court to a federal court, the statute 
thereby clothed the latter court with all the anthority easential 
for the complete adjudication of the controversies, even though 
it shouW be admitted that that court could not have taken 
original cognizanee of the cases.&quot; And further, after discuss- 
ing the point that the suit was one to annul the will as a muni- 
ment of title, the opinion proceeds: &quot;But * * * it is 
sufficient, for the disposition of the case, that the statute of 1867, 
in authorizing a transfer of the cause to the federal court, does, 
in our judgment, by that fact, invest that court with all needed 
jurisdiction to adjudicate finally and settle the controversy 
involved.&quot; With equal force might this language be used in 
considering the question as it arises in the case at bar under 
the removal act of 1875. 
It is also observed by Justice Field, in his opinion, that 
&quot;the limitation of the original jurisdiction of the federal court, 
and of the right of removal from a state court, to a class of 
cases between citizens of different states involving a desig- 
nated amount, and brought by or against resident citizens of 
the state, was only a matter of legislative discretion. The 
constitution imposes no limitation upon the class of cases 
involving controversies between citizens of different states to 
which the judicial power of the United States may be ex- 
tended; and congress may, therefore, lawfully provide for 
bringing, at the option of either of the parties, all such con- 
troversies within the jurisdiction of the federal jiidiciary.&quot; 
Since the jurisdiction to establish a lost will was vested by 
statute of the state in the circuit courts of the state, and not 
in the probate courts; and since the act of congress of 1875 
autborizes the removal from the state circuit court to the 
federal court of any suit involving a specifled amount, and 
in M'hieh there is a controversy between citizens of different 
states; and in view of the enunoiation of the supreme court&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Herod a Winter, Ralph HiU, and S. Stansîfer, for assignee. 
Harrison, Hines e Miller, and McDonald de Butler, for cred- 
itors. 
Dbummond, 0. J. This is a motion to dismiss two appeals 
that have been taken in a bankruptoy case from orders of the 
district court disallowing certain claims against the estate of 
the bankrupts. 
Thefacts are that the order disallowing these claims was 
madeby the district court on the twenty-seventh of Novem- 
ber, 1879. That order seems to have been made in the ab- 
sence of counsel for the claimant, and on an application to the 
court on the seventeenth of December. 1879, the court opened 
the orders and reconsidered the cases for the purpose of 
allowing the parties to take an appeal to the circuit court, 
reforming its orders in both cases. An appeal was taken 
from that order on the seventeenth of December, and there 
was no question about the appeal being taken in the proper 
time, and the bond being given so as ta consumniate that 
appeal. The appeal was taken during the term of the court. 
In fact, the -term of the court still continues, 
The objection on the part of the assignees to this appeal 
is that the appellants did not comply with the law of coii- 
gress in entering tbeir appeal in the circuit court within ten 
days from the time the order was rendered. The question is 
whether that should have been done. 
The contention between the two parties is : On the part of 
the assignees, that the appeal should be entered in the cir- 
cuit court, if the court is in session at the time the order is 
entered, and continues up to the end of the ten days, during 
the court, although it is the same term. On the other hand, 
it is claimed by the appellants that it is sufficient if the appeal 
is entered in the circuit court at the succeeding term after 
the order entered. 
I am of the opinion that the true construction of the acts 
of congress and of the rules of the supreme court, on the sub- 
ject, is that the appeal should be entered in the circuit court 
within ten days after the appeal is taken, although the cir- 
cuit court is in session at the time the ortlcr is made, and 
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FEDERAL REPORTER. 
the trial upon the points then raised against the negotiability 
of the note sued on. I think it entirely clear of all doubt 
that an administrator may negotiate a note made payable ta 
him, and that the recital of the consideration in tli^ face of 
the note does not at all affect its negotiable character. If the 
note in question had said that it was subject to the agreement 
for the purchase of the land, or used other words indicating 
that it was to be burdened with the conditions of that agree- 
ment, the case would he different. Cushing y. Field, (Sup. Ct. 
Me.) 13 Chi. Leg. News, 11. The note is hereinafter copied, 
and I need only refer to its language to show that it is a 
simple recital of the consideration. Barchell v. Slocock, 2 Ld. 
Eaym. 1545; Baïley v. Bawley, 1 Swan, 295; Baxter Y.Stew- 
art, 4 Sneed, 213. 
Even in Tennessee, then, where whatever is suffioient to put 
a person upon inquiry amounts to notice, the mere recital 
that the consideration was for land does not have this effect. 
Ryland v. Brswn, 2 Head, 270 ; Merritt v. Duncan, 7 Heisk. 
156. But in the courts of the United States, where the rulo 
is that there must he actual notice, or bad faith, to charge the 
holder for value, there can be no question that the recitals of 
this note are not suffioient to charge the plaintiff with any 
equities between the defendants and the payee. Goodman v. 
Simonds, 20 How. 343 ; Merritt v. Duncan, supra; Murray v. 
Lardner, 2 &quot;Wall. 110. 
This brings us to the question of fact upon the proof as to 
notice. It is not pretended that there was anything further 
to charge plaintiff with notice than that he knew the land lay 
in Arkansas, and that Gregg was an administrator in Arkan- 
sas. It is said by a witness that the officer of the bank 
&quot;looked at some papers&quot; at the moment of taking the note 
befor.e he agreed to take it. What the papers were, whether 
one thing or another, is not proved, nor is there anything from 
which to infer that there was in that circumatance a probable 
knowledge of any fact connected with this note. It may havo 
been a report of some commercial agency showing the standing 
of defendants, for anything that appeared in proof, or it mtiy 
have been some other paper totally disconnected with this 
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and professional mind never fully recognized the soundness 
ot the position. Yet it is well settled that a bill or note is not 
negotiable unless it contains these words, or some Tvord of 
like effect, except where made so by local statute. 1 Am. 
Lead. Cas. (5th Ed.) 399, top page; 3 Kent, (12th Ed.) 77; 
1 Dan'l, Neg. Inst. §§ lOe-107. The most direct and satis- 
factory case I have found is Gerard v. La Corte, 1 Dali. 194; 
S. C. 1 Am. Lead. Cas. (5th Ed.) 369. 
The unsatisfaetory state of the law on this subject induced 
the state of North Carolina, from which we bave derived it, 
nearly 100 years ago, to enact that &quot;every bill, bond, or note 
for money, whether sealed or not, and whether expressed to he 
payable to order, or for value received, or not, shall be nego- 
tiable in the same manner as promissory notes.&quot; Act 1786, 
c. 4, § 1; T. &amp; B. Code, § 1937. The act of 1762 (ohapter 9) 
had Bubstantially re-enacted the statute of Anne. T. &amp; 8. 
Code, § 1956. The argument now made is that the only 
effect of the act of 1786 was to make bills single negotiable in 
the same manner as promissory notes were under the act of 
1762, and notes like this assignable. This is contrary to the 
■words of the act itself, which says that &quot;every note for 
money, whether expressed to be payable to order or not, shall 
be negotiable in the same manner as promissory notes.&quot; 
This is more manifest by reference to the original act itself, 
which this section of the Code more briefly expresses. Be- 
sides, it was further amended by the acts of 1820 (chapter 
25) and 1837, (chapter 5,) where it is enacted that upon 
every such instrument the holder may main tain a joint action 
against the maker and the indorsers, or a several action 
against any one or more of the indorsers. T. &amp; S. Code, § 
1958. See, also, Id. § 1967. 
The cases cited in the notes to these sections of the Code 
fully sustain this construction, which is too plain to require 
further notice. This note is, then, fully negotiable by our 
local statute. It is confidently argued, however, that the 
federal courts do not recognize or enforce the laws of the 
states upon the subject of commercial law, and that this 
question must be decided according to the law merchant and 
the statute of Anne, and that this act cannot change the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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further judicial construction. The legislature tas changed 
the rule, in actions before a justice of the peace, by amending 
section 4160 of the Code, and now, in those actions, &quot;if the 
plaintiff fails in establishing any demands against the de- 
fendant, &quot;the defendant is nevertheless entitled to bave judg^ 
ment for whatever is due him on bis cross-action. Acts 1879, 
C.222, p. 265. 
This act does not, bowever, apply to any suits except those 
commenced before a justice qf the peace, and bas not 
changed the rule under section 2922 of the Code. Wby this 
distinction bas been made we cannot tell, but in tracing 
these sections to their originals it will be seen that suits be- 
fore justices of the peace bave always been more favored than 
others in this matter of the defendant's rights under his plea: 
of set-off, and it is plain this act bas followed that distinction. 
The law, therefore^ remains, in regard to this suit, as it stood 
priorto the act of 1879; so that, if the parties ^otofriai and the 
plaintiff fails in his action, the defendant can recover nothing on 
his set-off. Henry v. Walker, 11 Heisk. 194; Baker y. Grigsby, 
7 Heisk. 627 ; Railroad v. Galbraith, 1 Heisk. 482 ; Brazelton 
V. Railroad, 3 Head, 570; Edington v. Pickle, 1 Sneed, 122; 
Barnard v. Young, 5 Humph. 100. 
But in all these cases there was a trial before the jury or 
the justice, and it was held, under such circumstances, that 
the defendant cannot recover on his set-off if the plaintiff 
fails in his action; and in none of them did the plaintiff 
voluntarily dismiss his suit. Where he does this the rule is 
different, because, by the very ternis of the statute, if the 
plaintiff dismisses his suit before the jury retires the defend- 
ant may elect to proceed on his set-off in the eapacity of 
plaintiff. It is precisely this case to which the statute applies, 
and the decisions above referred to do not affect the question. 
It was held in Biley v. Carter, S Humph. 230, that after plea 
of set-off filed the plaintiff could not dismiss bis suit at all ; 
but the Code, § 2964, bas changed this, and he may now do 
so, but with an express provision that if be does the defend- 
ant may proceed on his set-off. There is no difficulty in our 
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island,. in the river Schuylkill ; thence by the best route to a 
point upon the line of the Pennsylvania Eailroad, within one 
mile east of George's run, at the village of Hestonville; 
thence by the line of the Pennsylvania Eailroad, by the most 
direct and practicable route, to a point upon the line of the 
Philadelphia, Wilmington&amp; Baltimore Eailroad.&quot; 
By a supplement to thig charter, passed in 1861, the Juuc- 
tion Eailroad Company was authorized to &quot;make a complete 
line of railway from a point on the Philadelphia &amp; Eeading 
railroad, at or near the bridge at Peters island, to a point 
on the Philadelphia., Wilmington &amp; Baltimore Eailroad, at or 
near Gray's ferry bridge, by the most convenient and practi- 
cable. route.&quot; 
By further legislation the company was authorized to bor- 
row |500,000 upon mortgage of its property and franchises, 
and, upon this security, a loan of that amount was negotiated 
upon the authorized guaranty of it by the three companiea 
named. 
The .stock of the company was taken and ia now held by 
the Pennsylvania Eailroad Company, the Philadelphia &amp; 
Eeading Eailroad Company, and the Philadelphia, Wilming- 
ton &amp; Baltimore Eailroad Company, except a few shai'es which 
are held by individuals. 
At the organization of the company, in 1861, the president 
of the Pennsylvania Eailroad Company was elected its presi. 
dent, and occupied that position until 1867, during which 
time the whole line of its road was located definitely between 
its prescribed termini. Under his direction a large sum, to- wit, 
about $870,000, was expended in its construction, and the 
whole of the road, except that part between Market and Thirty- 
ûfth streets, was compieted by it. 
This intervening part was constructed by the Pennsylvania 
Eailroad Company, and was held by the supreme court of 
Pennsylvania to be the property, of that company, and this 
decision must be regarded as conclusive so far as the legal 
ownersliip of that link is concerned. But, in view of the 
admission that the Junction Eailroad may have rights touch- 
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Noble de Orriclc, for plaintiffs. 
0. B. Sansum, for defendant. 
McCeaby, g. J., (charging jury.) These cases being all of 
like nature, and relating to the same questions, have been by 
the order of the court Consolidated for the purpose of the trial, 
and are now to be submitted to you for your verdict upon the 
facts and in accordance with the law as given to you by the 
court. The plaintiff in an action of this character is, in the 
absence of any admission by defendant, bound to establish by 
a preponderance of evidence — First, the execution of the con- 
tract or policy of insurance sued on; second, the destruction, 
total or partial, of the property insured; third, the amoiint of 
the loss, or, in other words, the value of the insured property 
destroyed-; foarth, that such notice and preliminary proof of 
loss as the policy requires has been given. 
In these cases the defendants by their answers have ad- 
mitted the execution of the conti'act or policy sued on, as well 
as the destruction by fire, as alleged by plaintiff, of the prop- 
erty insured. They have also admitted that notice and proof 
of loss were duly given in all the cases sued on, to which your 
attention will be called hereafter. The defendants say that 
the property destroyed (a stock of clothing) was not of the 
actual cash value stated by plaintiffs in their petitions, and 
this presents the first issue of faots for you to determine. You 
are to consider and decide, in the light of all the evidence, 
what was the fair and reasonable cash value of the property 
in the city of St. Louis on the fourth of April, 1879, when the 
fire occurred. In determining this question you will consider 
the character and quality of the goods, their cost, their con- 
dition, the state of the market, any decline or advauce in 
value after purchase and before the fire, the iuvoices previ- 
ously made and the proof of subsequent purchases, as well as 
ail the facts and circumstances developed in the evidence and 
bearing upon the subject, and from all the evidence you will 
ascertain and by your verdict decide what was the actual cash 
value of the goods in the store of the plaintiff at the time of 
the fire and destroyed thereby. By the term &quot;actual cash 
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deeûles that the clerk is not entitled to commissions &quot;for 
receivÏQg, keeping, and paying out money,&quot; unless the money 
bas aetually passed through his hands, or into the custody of 
the court, or has been agreed to be so considered. 
In re Goodrich, i Dill. 230, it was beld that the statute 
implies Ijhat the money shall be aetually received, kept, and 
paid out by the clerk, and that, generally at least, ovôn where 
a fund is ordered to be paid through the clerk, the parties 
may disregard the order and pay directly, and deprive the 
clerk of bis commissions. And see Upton v. Triblecock, 4 
Dill. 232, note. I doubt if I should go so far as was done 
in Goodrieh's Case, if it appeared that there was a combina- 
tion between the parties to make the payments so as to defeat 
the clerk's commissions. However, this case olearly falls 
within the rule that the clerk is not entitled to commissions 
unless the money passes through his hands, either aetually 
or constructively. It was not the duty of the assignee, under 
any statute or other law, to pay the fund he held into this 
court, nor was he even ordered to do so. The item of $90, 
charged by the clerk, must be, therefore, disallowed. 
HoLLT V, Vebgbnnbs Maohinb Co. 
{Circuit Court, D. Vermont. October 5, 1880.) 
1. Rb-issub No. 5,132— First Claim. — The flrst claim of re-issued let- 
ters patent No. 5,132, dated November 5, 1872, for a new System of 
water-works for supplying citiea and towns with water, 7ield valid. 
EoUy V. Union City, 14 O. G. 6. 
2. Patent No. 94,747, dated September 14, 1869, for a new safety valve 
for Street water pipes, Tield valid. 
3. Olaims — Cou STUUCTION— SPBCiriCATioN. — The specification of a patent 
may be referred to for the purpose of ascertaining the meaning of the 
clatms. 
Bates V. Coe, 15 0. G. 337. 
Brooks V. Fiske 15 How. 215. 
4. Machuseb — Substaîttial Identitt.— Machines are subatantially the 
same, in the sense of the law of patents, when they perform the same 
function in substantially the same way to accomplish the same resuit.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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pipes ; would regulate the flow to the spigots and hy- 
drants. Where it had to be supplied by pumps the irregu- 
larity in the amount drawn at the spigots and hydrants 
■Would not admit of a uniform supply to the mains, and if 
pumps were employed furnishing such a supply the incom- 
pressibility of water is such that when the drawing ceased 
the pipes would burst, or the pumps or machinery be broken. 
The plaintiff's inventions obviated these difficulties bypro- 
viding pumping machinery which increasing pressure of 
■water in -the mains -sv'ould slacken and decreasing pressure 
■would ha,sten, and guarding against sudden shocks from the 
quick closing of hydrants by the use of an air chamber Con- 
necting yfith the mains and preventing the danger of eontin- 
ued pressure from that source, while the machinery was slack- 
ening by a peouliarly-arranged relief valve, applied to the 
mains so that t&quot;^e ■svater could be pumped directly into the 
mains, and drawn therefrom by the spigots and hydrants at 
pleasure, with safety to the works, without any stand-pipe or 
reservoir, None of the Systems set up as anticipations had 
these contrivances combined in this mahner. The IvOndon 
Water--tvorks, constructed by Peter Maurice in 1582, asde- 
scribed by Thomas Ewbank in Hydraulics and Mechanics ; 
the System of ■water-'v/orks described in the English patent to 
Joseph Bramah, dated October 31, 1813; and the London 
bridge -water-works, described by William Mathevrs in Hy- 
draulia, 1835, — had pumps forcing -water directly into mains 
to be carried to iuhabitants, but neither of them had any 
eontrivances for slackening the quantity forced as any pres- 
sure increased from diminishing the quantity dra-wn as de- 
scribed; neither does it appear from the descriptions given, 
but that the water flo-wed through by a constant aow, and was 
caught as wanted for use, 
Birkinbine's System, at the state lunatic hospital at Har- 
risburg, Pennsylvania, had connection with a reservoir at the 
top of the building. Linsley's System, at Burlington, Ver- 
mont, had connection with a reservoir above the city. Bir- 
kinbîne had no means for regulating the quantity pumped by&lt;noinclude&gt;
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be removed from the rest of the stamp and from the tarrel, 
and could be preserved by the revenue oiïicer. 
The portion of the Locke device which is claimed to have 
been infringed, was constructed as follows : A piece of thin 
metal was impressed with letters or figures corresponding 
with the letters or figures upon the stub of the stamp. This 
piece, made of any appropriate form, was inserted in an 
aperture in the face of the stamp, and was retained in its 
place by a &quot;Hacking piece&quot; of paper, the two pieces of paper 
being gummed together for this purpose. 'This backing piece 
was prepared with dried gum on its outer face, so that the 
stàmp was ready for instant application to the cask. In the 
specification the patentee further says: &quot;Instead of making 
the removable piece out of metal, or of making it in a piece 
separate from the stamp, it may be made of the- same piece 
of paper of which the stamp is composed by simply having 
its outline perforated, after the manner of postage stamps, 
but uugummed at its back, so as readily to be torn away and 
detached from the stamp.&quot; 
If the stamp was constructed acfcording to the latter method, 
it woald be a stamp made of one piece of paper, with îdeM- 
fying marks upon a portion of its surface corresponding with 
similar marks upon the stub 5 said portion being s6 constructed 
that it can easily be detstrched from the residue of the stamp 
after the whole stamp has been detached from the stub and 
has been affixed to the bari:eL Although the patentee speaks 
of a backing piece of paper which retained the metal slip 
in its place, and was to be gummed so as to adhere to the 
barrel, he does not mention this bacLing piece in con- 
nection with the stamp when made entirely of paper. 
Probably the fair construction of the specification is that the 
stamp is always to be providcd with a baoking piece. In 
deeiding the case, however, I prefer to assume that the 
patentee supposed that the dried gum was needed only upon 
the back of that portion of the stamp which Tas not to be 
torn away. 
The first claim, and the only one which is said to have been 
infringed, is for &quot;a stamp, the body of which is made of paper&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The defendant's stamp is of a single thickness of paper not 
gummed upon the back, but with a blank strip protecting 
the portions to be eut out from the paste upon the barrel. The 
blank strip was described in the plaintiff's specification. 
The difference is that in the use of the plaintiff's stamp the 
adhesive material is applied to the back of the stamp, while 
in the use of the defendant's stamp the adheSive material ia 
applied to the head of the barrel. The method of construc- 
tion of the two stamps is substantially the same, even assum- 
ing that the &quot;backing piece&quot; was not intended to be used 
•when the entire stamp is composed of one piece of paper. 
An attempt was made to attack the Locke patent for want 
of novelty, but the two antedating patents which were some- 
what feebly relied upon by the defendant, viz., the English 
patent of Edward Wilkins, dated November 13, 1851, and tha 
patent of Albon Man, dated September 3, 1867, refer ta 
devices so manifestly unlike the Locke stamp that further 
examination is unnecessary. 
The utility and patentability of the Locke stamp cannot 
be controverted, in view of the testimony which was intro- 
duced by the defendant respecting the Tarions devices which 
the government had used, and the great success of the 
device which was finally adopted. 
Let a decree be entered for the plaintiff directing an 
account and an injunction — the terms of the decree as to 
injunction to be settled upon hearing. 
Clendinin V. The Steam-Ship Alhambra, etc. 
(District Court, K D. New York. July 23, 1880.) 
1. CoiiiiisoN — ScHOONBR'B LiGHTs. — The side lights of a sohooner were so 
placed that when one stood at the stem of the veasel he could see 
both the red and the green light at the same time, without moving 
his head. JIM, that the schooner was in fault for carrying lights so 
arranged, when an approaching steamer was therehy misled as to 
the course she was pursuing, and a collision ensued.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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slooj), and was sailing somewhat faster. She was high oui 
of water, while the sloop's deck was nearly on a level with it. 
The chain bobstay of the schooner was parted at the time 
near the cut-water, and her topmast was broken, so that it 
came down with the topsail. So great damage could not 
have been sustained unless these vessels had corne together 
with considerable violence, and it is unreasonable to suppose 
that the schooner was the only sufïerer. It is much more 
likely that this small, low craf t was crushed down by the 
larger vessel, and that her weight, when thrown upon the 
sloop, must have foreed her under water, and broken in her 
deck and sides, as stated by her crew, causing her to leak 
badly. It is possible that the leak might have been stopped, 
80 that she could have been taken into Eockport; but the. 
wind was in an opposite direction, her mainsail was useless, 
and, if she had run before the wind, she must have gone to 
sea, instead of making a harbor. That she was in a sinidng 
condition, and soon afterwards went down, being heavily 
loaded with stone, may well be inferred from the fact there 
is no evidence of her having been seen by any one since that 
night, although the place of the disaster was one where ves- 
sela are constantly passing. 
In The Rebecca, 1 B. &amp; H. 347, Judge Betts held &quot;that 
where a vessel injured by a collision is abandoned by her 
crew and afterwards lost, it is enough to prove that her con- 
dition at the time appeared to be desperate.&quot; Applying this 
rule to the present case, the libellants have established their 
right to recover the value of their vessel. &quot;In comingto this 
conclusion I have attached little or no importance to the great 
mass of testimouy introduced into this case relating to con- 
versations with the crew of the sloop after the accident. 
This description of testimony, although of ten found in actions 
for collision, has in most cases been held by the court to be 
entitled to little weight in determining disputed questions of 
fact appertaining to the navigation of the respective vessels.&quot; 
The Empire State, 1 Ben. 19. 
Decree for libellants. Albert Maswick appointed assessor.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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out prejudice to the bringing of another suit, at law or în 
equity, concerning any of the matters involved therein.&quot; The 
defendants resist this motion, and deny that the plaintiffs can 
dismiss at ail, because by the record it appears that they have 
acquired rights by the defences they set up, as against these 
plaintififs, which would be prejudiced by the dismissal. It is 
needless, in our view of the case, to state the facts relied on 
by defendants to take the case out of the ordinary rule allow- 
ing a plaintiff to dismiss at pleasure, because the plaintiffs do 
not ask to dismiss generally, but only without prejudice. It 
may be stated, however, that it is not claimed that any decree 
has been made whioh prevents a dismissal, but only that by 
the pleadings and the record it appears that certain defences 
have been made and peculiar circumstances exist which make 
it inequitable to allow a dismissal without a hearing on the 
merits, so that their rights may be declared and protected by 
proper decrees, both against the plaintiffs and as between the 
defendants themselves. 
The general proposition is laid down in the books that the 
plaintiff may move to dismiss his own bill, with costs, as a 
matter of course, at any time before decree. The ordinary 
form of the decree is that, &quot;upon motion of the plaintiff he has 
leave to dismiss his bill upon payment of the costs,&quot; or that 
&quot;upon payment of costs to be taxed the bill stand dismissed.&quot; 
2 Hoff. Ch, Pr. Appdx. form No. 117; 1 Id. 828, note. It 
eeems to be a conditional order, and depends upon actual 
payment of costs to give it effect, unless the defendant chooses 
to treat the bill as dismissed, and takes steps to enforce it as 
a judgment for the costs. But what effect will be given to a 
decree dismissing a bill on plaintiff 's motion, when such decree 
is set up in bar of a subsequent suit for the same cause of action 
between the same parties, is not well settled. Babb v. Mackey, 
10 Wis. 314, 371. It is because of this doubt, perhaps, that the 
plaintiffs here ask the extraordinary order that this voluniary 
dismissal shall be &quot;without prejudice&quot; to the bringing of 
another suit at law or equity concerning any of the matters 
involved herein. The only reason assigned for this form of 
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to the defendant must be of a character that deprives hîm of 
some substantive rights concerning his defences not available 
in a second suit, or that may be endangered by the dismissal, 
and uot the mere ordinary inconveniences of double litigation, 
•which, in the eye of the law, would be compensated by costa. 
Nor is it necessary to consider the suggestion that the stipula- 
tion of counsel, and the order upon it, amounts to an agree- 
ment to try or continue and not dismiss. I am satisfied that 
the right to dismias is not absolute, and that this case is 
within the qualification mentioned. 
Motion denied. 
NoTK. — Consult, on the right of the plaîntifE to dismiss, Ordinances 
of Lord Bacon, Nos. 13, 14, 16, 17; Barton's Suit in Equity, (A.ppendix;) 
Madd. Ch. Pr. 297; 1 Newl. Ch. 177; 1 Smith's Ch, Pr. (2dEd.)312, (Ed. 
1842;) Beame's Eq. Costs, 85, 229, (20 Law Lib.;) 1 Danl. Ch. Pr. (5th Ed.) 
790, and compare previous editions ; 1 Hoff. Ch. Pr. 327, and notes ; Iland- 
ford V. Storie, 2 Sira. &amp; Stu, 196 ; 8. C. 1 Eng. Ch. 196 ; Brandlyn v. Ord, 
1 Atk. 571 ; Biiberry v. Mm-ria, 16 8im. 313 ; 8. C. 39 Eng. Ch. 313 ; WhiU 
Y. Westmeath, 2 Moll. 128; 8. C. 1 Beat. 17; 8. C. 12 Gond. Eng. Ch. 478; 
Gen. Ord. No. 117, 29 Eng. Ch. (Preflx 66;) 2 Be G. Maen * Gord. 852, 
note ; Be Orrdl Co. L. R. 12 Ch. Div. 681 ; Bierdemann v. Seymour, 1 
Beav. 594; 8. C. 17 Eng. Ch. 594, note ; 29 Eng. Ch. 350; Craft v. John- 
ton, Tenn. Sup. Ct. Knoxville, 1875 ; EllU v. Smith, Id.; 1 King's Dig. (2d 
Ed.) 945, 2; Foote v. Oibba, 1 Gray, 412; Bigelow v. Winsor Id. 299, 301; 
Borrowncale v. Tuttle, 5 Allen 377 ; Sndl v. Dwight, 121 Masa 348 ; Perrine y. 
Swaim, 2 J. C. 475 ; Burras v. Looher, 4 Paige, 227 ; Uummin» v. Bennet, 
8 Paige, 79 ; Simpson v. Bretoster^ 9 Paige, 245 ; Sea Ins. Co. v. Bay, Id. 
247 ; Saxton v. Stowell, 11 Paige, 626 ; Railroad Co, v. Wcerd, 18 Barb. 596 ; 
WUder v. Boynton, 63 Barb. 547, 650 ; Ogsbury v. La Farge, 2 N. Y. 113 ; 
Smith V. Adams, 24 Wend. 685 ; Conner v. Drake, 1 Ohio 8t. 166 ; French 
V. Frenek, 8 Ohio, 214; Louderbaeh v. OolUns, 4 Ohio St. 251 ; Srnifh v. Smith, 
2 Blackf. (2d Ed.) 232 ; Sprigge v. Wilson, 2 Dev. Eq. 385 ; Sayleav. Tibbetts, 
5 R. I. 79, 91; Porter v. Vavghn, 26 Vt. 624, 626; Orubba v. Olayton, 2 
Hayw. 675 ; Palmer v. Bankins, 30 Ark. 771 ; Cook v. Walker, 24 Ga. 331 ; 
Camdfn, etc., v. Stewart, 4 Green, Ch. 69 ; U. S. v. Keen, 1 McLean, 429, at 
p. 447 ; Welch v. Mandeville, 1 Wheat. 233 ; Goodyear t. Bishop, 4 Blatchf. 
438.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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nize in him a rigTit of redemption, not only before the sale, 
but for one year thereafter; and, what is of great significance, 
if any surplus should remain of the purchase money over and 
beyond the amount due the state, the same should belong to 
the land owner. While the state held on to the lands until it 
was fully indemnified for its claims, it insisted on nothing 
more — all else was the owners'. Strict forfeiture was waived, 
both by the state's extension of the time for payment and by 
acknowledging the right of the owner to any balance which 
might remain in the treasury. The title of the act may -well 
be referred to, to ascertain the purpose of tLe legislature. 
By that it is declared to be &quot;An act giving further time to 
redeem lands forfeited to the state for the non-payment of 
taxes.&quot; Forfaiture and redemption cannot stand together. 
The moment a right to redeem was allowed, from that instant 
the forfeiture was at an end. 
This extension of the time for the payment of the taxes 
should have the same legal effect as if it had been by an 
amendment of former acts, in terms declaring that thereby 
the time for the payment of the taxes was estended. If the 
legislature had adopted that course to accomplish its purpose, 
it eould hardly admit of a question (whether the forfeiture 
had then attaohed or not) that by such extension of time the 
state had waived its title, and could aequire no title to the 
tract until after the time of extension had expired. As soon 
as chapter 65 took effect, the rights of the owners were re- 
stored to them. The legislature acknowledged them as hav- 
ing an interest in the property, as being its owners, subjeet 
to the lien of the state for the taxes due thereon, and by the 
act it provided very different provisions for depriving the 
owner of hia estate on failure to pay the taxes. 
If the land still continued the absolute property of the 
state, there would seem to be no propriety in the former 
owner having the power to call the state to an account for its 
disposai of the purchase money. If, on the contrary, the 
interest of the state was merely a lien for its taxes, then all 
that the state should require would be payment of its dues, 
and any surplus should enure to the owner's beneût.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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title, &quot;notwithetanding any irregnlarities in the notices, Oï 
failures to comply with the provisions of the acts under 
■which the sales were made.&quot; Three of the deeds were exe- 
cuted before the passage of this act. Admitting that the 
state might waive any rights it might have to insist on such 
irregularities, it cannot be, that, by such action on its part, 
it can divest the title which the owners had at the date of the 
passage of the act. If these conveyances were invalid, by 
reason of these defects, and the owners still retained the title 
to their lands, the legislature could not, by any act it might 
pass, deprive them of their property. So far as the interests 
of the owners were involved, the act was null and void. 
The supreme court of Massachusetts, in Slocum v. City qf 
Boston, October, 1880, Suffolk county, have passed upon an 
act of the legislature of that state similar to that now under 
consideration and adjudged it to be unconstitutional. That 
court had previously decided that certain advertisements of 
the coUector of Boston, of sales of lands for taxes, were not 
in conformity with the requirements of the statutes. There- 
upon, in 1878, the legislature passed an act &quot;that no sale of 
land for taxes heretof ore made should be beld invalid by rea- 
son of such defectin the advertisements,&quot; and the validity of 
this latter act was the question before the court in Slocum's 
Case. Buch legislation did not receive the sanction of that 
court ; by it an owner was not deprived of his estate ; the sale 
was still invalid, notwith standing the legislature's attempt to 
remedy the defect ; and this decision is an express authority 
against the validity of chapter 172, so far as the title of the 
owners of the lots is involved. The last deed was executed 
subsequent to the passage of the act, but most of the objec- 
tions which are sustained by the court are alike applicable to 
ail the deeds, and are not dependent on irregularities in the 
notice, or failures to comply with the provisions of the acts 
under which the sales were made. 
In Raymond v. Longworth, 14 How. 76, 78, the supreme 
court lay down the rule &quot;that it is the duty of the federal 
courts to follow the decisions of the state courts on state laws 
regulating proceedings in cases of tax sales.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/152</title>
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clearly seems to be the opinion of the supreme court of the 
United States, that the owner of property bas the right to 
provide that his estate may be held in such a way that his 
children may receive the rents and profits of it during their 
lives, so as to not go to the benefit of creditors, if his children 
are inaprovident or unfortunate, It seems clear to my mind 
that was the purpose of the testator in this case. It is true 
that he does not make use of the language employed in some 
of the wills which have corne under the cognizance and exam- 
ination of the court, where they have declared that the prop- 
erty is to be held free from creditors ; but I think language 
equally explicit bas been used in this clause of the will to 
ehow that was the intention of the testator. Looking at the 
general scope of the provisions that he made in relation to 
his children, this is manifest. For instance, he provides 
that certain portions of his estate shall be conveyed to trus- 
tees, so that one-half which he intends for the benefit of his 
children shall be conveyed to them absolutely, in fee, to be 
disposed of as they may see lit, thus giving them the absolute 
control over one-half of the estate which he directed to be held 
and enjoyed by his children. As to the other half, the will 
says that should be held in such a way that his children, 
during their lives, should not have control over it. The trus- 
tee is to hold it for the use and benefit of eaoh child during 
his or her life, and then it was to descend tO his or her hoirs, 
without any power during ail this time, or right on the part 
of said child, to encumber the estate or anticipate the rents 
thereof. 
The object seemed to be to deprive the child of any power 
over the estate. It was to be held by the trustee. The child 
had no right to encumber the estate, or even to anticipate the 
rents accruing from it. And then, again, as if to render it 
perfectly clear, this additional clause is inserted: &quot;The trus- 
tee shall collect said rents, and, after paying taxes, Insurance, 
and keeping the property in repair, pay the rent to the child 
in person.&quot; My opinion is that, under this clause of the will, 
and under the deed of trust which the trustee has, and by 
which he holds the property in controversy in this case, he&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/162</title>
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Ondebdonk V. Fannino and another. 
(Circuit Court, E. B. New York. , 18S0.) 
1. iHFRiNOEMEitT — Pkeliminabt Injukction. — A motioa for a prelimînary 
injunction will be&quot; granted to restrain the manufacture and sale of 
lemon squeezers with a conical orflat bed, upon the ground that they 
inf ringe a patent for similar lemon squeezers with a convex bed, where 
Buch patent was issued originally to the defendant and sold by hia 
wife, together with the tools and stock, to the plaintlfl. 
2. Bamb — NovELTY — Vbndob aitd Vendee— In such case, on such mo- 
tion, the defendant will not be heard to dispute the novelty or utility 
of the invention described in the patent. 
Foster, Wentworth e Poster, for plaintiff. 
E. H. Brown and E. M. Wight, for defendants. 
Benediot, D. J. This case cornes before the court upon a 
motion for a preliminary iûjunction to restrain the defendant 
from making and selling certain forms of lemon squeezers, 
npon the ground that they infringe upon a patent for an 
improvement in lemon squeezers issued to Josephine P. Fan- 
ning and Isaac Williams, as assignees of the defendant John 
Panning, dated July X5, 1879, and numbered 217,619. 
The plaintiff' s patent was originally issued upon the appli- 
cation of the defendant and his oath that he believed himself 
to be the original and first inventer of the improvenient 
described in the patent issued in accordance with such appli- 
cation, Subsequently Josephine P. Fanning assigned her 
one-half interest in the patent to the plaintiff. Therôafter 
Isaac Williams assigned to the plaintiff the undivided third 
part of his interest in the patent. Williams, having refused 
to join as complainant in the bill, has been made a defend- 
ant ; but John Panning alone is charged with having infringed 
the patent. 
There is no controversy in regard to the description of the 
machines which the defendant John Fanning is making. They 
are in two forms, each form precisely similar to the machine 
^ described in the plaintiff's patent, with the single exception 
that the perforated bed, on which the lemon is placed when 
Bubjected to the action of the presser, is in one case slightlj&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/168</title>
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marine insùranee, a warranty is implied that the sliip is sea- 
worthy. &quot; 
Section 2683 : &quot;When the insurance is made for a speci- 
fied length of time, the implied warranty is not complied 
with unless the ship be seaworthy at the commencement of 
every voyage she may undertake during that time.&quot; 
The policy in this case contains the following clause : &quot; Thir- 
teenth. It is hereby further agreed by and between the assured 
and insurers that the provisions of the Civil Code of Califor- 
nia shall be conolusive and binding as regarding the warranty 
of seaworthiness, liability of insurers in case of prior, subse- 
quent, or simultaneous insurance, and such other questions 
as are therein legislated upon and not otherwise provided for 
in this policy.&quot; The provisions of the Code thus became 
doubly obligatory upon the parties. In the great case of 
Gihson v. Small, i House of Lords Cases, 353, it was finally 
settled, by the law of England, that on a time policy effected 
on a vessel then at sea there is no implied condition that 
the ship should be seaworthy on the day when the policy 
attached. 
Whether, in a time policy, there is not an implied warranty 
of seaworthiness at the commencement of the risk, so far as 
it is in the owner's power to effect it, and whether, where 
several voyages are contemplated, the owner is not bound to 
exercise reasonable care and pains to repair any damages the 
vessel may have sustained, and to put her in a seaworthy 
condition before commencing a new voyage, was not decided. 
Even if it be considered that in such cases there is no tech- 
nical warranty of seaworthiness, yet, if the ship should 
come into a port in a damaged condition before or after the 
commencement of the risk, and the owner or his agents neg- 
lect to make reasonable and practioable repairs, and the ves- 
sel be lost in consequence, it would seem that policy, liu- 
manity, and due regard for the rights of shippers should 
forbid a recovery by the owner from the insurers for a los-i 
attributable to the insufficiency of the ship. See opinion of 
Lord St. Leonards in Gibson v. Small, ubi supra; opinion ci 
Lord Campbell, contra. Also opinion of Mr. Justice Grier in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The -defendant does not dispute either of the items claimed 
in the present suit, but the controversy between the parties ia 
upon the defendant's right to a set-oflf of the sum of $317.22, 
paid by him to the master of the Castalia for demarrage at 
Weeha'wken, together with the expenses of counsel. On the 
arrivai of the Castalia at this port a libel was liled by her 
master against her cargo of coal, claiming damages in the 
nature of demurrage. The cargo was seized by the marshal, 
and af terw'ards bondcd by the defendant. Seasonable notice 
of the libel was given to the plaintiffs by the defendant, and 
they were requested by him to give instructions as to the 
matter, to which they replied, &quot;they had no advice to give.&quot; 
The defendant notified them that he should hold them 
chargeable, and that they were bound to indemuify him from 
such suit, but they did not appear in defence of the cause, or 
in any way render any aid to the defendant. The case went 
to trial in the district court, and after a fuU hearing that 
court decreed to the libellant the sum of $260 as damages, 
on account of the improper detention of said vessel, together 
with the costs, which amount was subse^uently paid by this 
defendant. 
The judgment of the district court in that suit was not 
only conclusive upon the defendant, but also upon the plain- 
tiffs in this suit, both as to the validity of the claim there 
presented and the amount of damages. This is fully settled 
by the supreme court of the United States in Robbins v. T^^e 
City of Chicago, 4 Wall. 657. 
The only remaining question îs whether the plaintiffs are 
bound to indemnify the defendant against the claim of the 
ship, by roason of the cargo being subjected to this liability 
through their fault. 
The bargain for the coal was made wholly by telegraph 
and letter. Quite a number of such communications passed be- 
tween the parties on the sixteenth and seventeenth of February, 
and it is, sufficient to say that the resuit was, that on the 17th a 
bargain was coneluded between them, by which the plaintiffs 
sold and the defendant purchased the cargo, the same to be 
loaded before the 20th. The same day the defendant char-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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S. V. Pînney and W. F. Vilas, for plaintiff, 
Raymond e Haseltine, for defendant. 
BuNN, D. J. This action is brought to recover the valae 
of a certain quantity of lumber destroyed bj fire, charged to 
have originated from sparks proceeding from the defendant's 
Bhingle mill in a dry time and during a high wind. The 
case came on for trial at the June term, 1878, and was tried 
by a jury. The plaintiff, among other things, to sustain 
bis action, which was grounded upon the defendant's negli- 
gence, introduced a written contract, of which the foUowing 
is a copy : 
&quot;It is hereby agreed by and between A. F. Dodge, of the 
city of Stevens Point, in the county of Portage, and state of 
Wisconsin, and William J, Clifford, of the same place, that 
said Dodge shall work and operate, during the mUling season 
of 1879, a certain shingle mill situate in the city of Stevens 
Point, which mill is now in the possession and under the con- 
trol of said Clifford, and shall manufacture shingles from logs 
to be furnisbed by said Clifford as hereinafter stated. 
&quot;It is further agreed by and between said parties that said 
Clifford shall pay to said Dodge the following rates for man- 
ufacturing said shingles : for the brand known as Star A, 60 
cents per thousand; and for the brand known as Shaded A, 
42 i^ cents per thousand. 
&quot;It is further agreed by and between said parties that said 
shingles shall be made and put up in a good and workman- 
like manner, and that said Dodge shall hire and pay all the 
men employed in the manufacture of said shingles, and shall 
provide all brands, band irons, oil, nails, and files in the man- 
ufacture of said shingles, and shall pay for repairing all 
breaks in the maohinery of the said mill when the cost of said 
repairs shall not exceed five dollars ; any break in the ma- 
chinery of said mill, the repairing of which will cost more 
than five dollars, to be paid for by said Clifford. 
&quot;It is further agreed by and between said parties that said 
Dodge shall load all shingles so manufactured as aforesaid 
on the switch of said mill ; said Clifford to pay all expensea 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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I&amp;OÛ, nugatory. U. S. v. Randall, 1 Deady, 524, 548. Tet, 
Btrange to say, the act of June 8, 1872, (17 St. 282,) substi- 
tutes this woxà felony for the phrase in the act of 1865 which 
was thus condemned, because it limited the right of peremp- 
tory challenges to cases of felony, and therebyleft it impossi- 
ble to determine under the actof 1865 to what cases it should 
apply. Perhaps a proper construction of the act of March 3, 
1865, taken in connection with the law asitthen stood under 
the decision in the case of United States v. Shackleford, supra, 
and the act of 1840, wonld have been to look to the state 
practice to determine in what cases the right of peremptory 
challenge &quot;now exiats,&quot; and to allow 10 challenges in all such 
cases; for the state practice then furnished not only the rule 
as to number, but the rule as to the kind of offence in which 
the right of peremptory challenge existed, as we have already 
seen. There would have been some certainty in this, but now 
there is no other course but to determine by the oommon law 
what congress meant in this section of the Revised Statutes 
by the words &quot;any other felony.&quot; If congress uses a common- 
law term in defining a crime, or in any statute, we must look 
to the common law for a definition of the term used. 2 Abb. 
Pr. 171; Conk, Treatise, 178, (5th Ed.;) U. S. v. Palmer, 3 
Wheat. 610; U. S. v. Wilson, Baldw. 78, 93; U. S. v. Bar- 
ney, 5 Blatchf. 294, 296; U. S. v. Magill, 1 Wash. 463. 
The Massachusetts Code commissioners, many years ago, in 
enumerating /cZimes within the provisions of their Code, in a 
note, add that the meaning &quot;of the word 'felony' (as by them 
defined) is limited to the use of the word in this Code, and is 
not to be confounded with the common-law signification of 
the same term, whatever that meaning may be, for it is a 
matter of no little difficulty to settle it.&quot; Eeport, title &quot;Expia- 
nation of Terms Cited;&quot; 1 Hale's P. C. (A. D. 1847) 575, note. 
The supreme court of Alabama said, in Harrison y. State, 
55 Ala. 239, 241, that it is not easyto determine in all cases 
what are felonies and crimen falsi. &quot;To predicate of an act,&quot; 
says the supreme court of Ohio, &quot;that it isfelonious, is simply 
to assert a legal conclusion as to the quality of the act; and 
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with death were felonies; and so, if a statute created a new 
offence and declared it a felony, but prescribed no punish- 
ment, by implication of law it was punishable with death. 
This has been changed by statute, and now, where a felony is 
created and no punishment prescribed, it is transportation 
for seven years, or imprisonment, with or without hard labor, 
not exceedingtwo years; and for a second felony, transporta- 
tion for life. 7 and 8 Geo. IV. The punishment for a mis- 
demeanor at common law was fine or imprisonment, or both, 
unlimited, but in the most aggravated cases seldom exceed- 
ing two years. Tomlin's Dict. title &quot;Felony;&quot; 4 Black. Com. 
94; 3 Inst. 43; 4 Bacon's Abridg. title &quot;Felony&quot; and title 
&quot;Forfeiture;&quot; Viner's Abridg. title &quot;Forfeiture;&quot; 1 Hale's P. 
C. 411,574; 1 Arehb.Cr.Pr.l, andnote, andp. 185; iPiuss.on 
Crimes, 42; 1. Bish. Cr. Law, §§ 580-590; U. S. v. Williams, 
1 Cranch's C. C. 178 ; Adams v. Barrett, 5 Ga. 404, 412 ; 
State y. Deiver, 65 N. C. 572; U. S. v. Smith, 5 Wheat. 153, 
159; U. S. Y. Staats, 8 How. 41. 
Tested by the common law, then, this term has no very 
exact and determinate meaning, and can apply to no cases 
in this country except treason, where limited forfeiture of 
estate is allowed. But technically that is a crime of a higher 
grade than felony, although it imports also felony. If it be 
conceded that capital punishment imports a felony, there can 
be none, at common law, except capital crimes. But that test 
is untechnical and founded in error. It does not always ap- 
ply, and it is as arbitrary to say that a crime punished capi- 
tally is a felony, as it is to say that one punished by impris- 
onment in the penitentiary ia a felony. Our aneestors 
brought with them the common-law gradations of crime, as 
they stood in their day, and although they organized a gov- 
ernment which is wholiy destitute of a criminal common law, 
its influence bas always prevailed to producd incongruities 
arising out of an attempt, even when creating new offences, 
unknown to any law except our own peouliar system, to keep 
up its gradations of crime. The supreme court, in the case 
last cited, points out the distinction between the use of the 
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mçïift in the penitentiaïy, felonies, and so defines the term. 
C. &amp;N. 316; Acts 1873, p. 87. We have no such legisla- 
tion by congresa. Section 5391 of the Eevised Statutes is lim- 
itçd to ; offences committed in places ceded to the United 
States, and adopta the state law as to such offences if not 
otherwise provided for;, and of course, in such cases, if the 
offence is a felony by state law, it becomes a felony by this 
section. 
There is no uniformity in the legislation of congress as to 
the punishment of criminal offences, and we often find statu- 
tory misdemeanors punished more severely than statutory 
felonies ; and while some of the statutes prescribe hard labor 
as a part of the punishment, when necessarily the confine- 
ment must be in some prison where it can be so enforced, on the 
Other hand the simple imprisonment prescribed may become 
idonfînement with hard labor byseleetinga prison whereitisa 
part (îf the discipline ; so that we often find prisoners convioted 
of the same offence, and sentenced to the same punishment^ un- 
: . dergoingin fact different punishments. Ex pa/rte Karstendick, 
. 93 U- S. 396. Jn this case it is held that it is not the inten- 
tion of-our statutes to limit confinement in the penitentiary 
.to thôse offences where hàrd labor is imposed. Eev. St. § 
5539. ' We find it, theref ore, impractioable to applyany such 
testas that prescribed by the state legislation above men- 
tioned, as the legislation of congress now stands, to the deter- 
mination of the meaning of the word &quot;felony&quot; as used in 
section 819 now under consideration. 
But, aside from this, nothing is better settled than thatwe 
cannot look to the state làws, in the criminal jurisprudence 
of the United states, for the oharacteristic elements whichgo 
to make up an offence, and enter into it as a part of its legal 
statm; nor to the common law; nor even to the character of 
the punishment. The federal courts take no cognizance of 
state statutes in criminal proceedings, and deduce no crimi- 
nal jurisdiction from the common law, which has no force, 
directly or indirectly, to make an act an offence not made so 
by congress; though in ail matters respecting the accusa- 
tion and trial of offenders, not otherwise provided for, we are&lt;noinclude&gt;
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on the 27th of April, np judgment might have l)een enteted 
upon the bond, or might.not be entered finally for an indefi- 
nite time; still, under the law of thia state, when the suit 
was commencedon suoh instrument, an inchoate lien had taken 
effect on ail the property of the bankrupt within the jurisdic- 
tion of the court, and -whenever judgment was finally entered 
it operated by relation to the time when the suit was com- 
menced. The liens of judgments depend very much, in fact, 
I may say exclusively, in a case at law, upon the particular 
legislation of each state. In some of the states we know that 
a lien of a judgment operates from the first day of the term 
when the judgment is rendered. In some states it operates 
from the last day of the term when the judgment is rendered. 
In other states it operates from the time the judgment is 
rendered, irrespeotive of the first and last days of the term. 
In this case there is an express statute upon the subject, and, 
as I understand, the supreme court of this state has held that 
administrator's bonds are within the terms of this law, and 
that a lien upon such a judgment relates back to the time the 
suit was commenced. Then there was an inehoate lien on 
the 27th d.ay of April, on the property of the bankrupt, which 
became consummated by relation when the judgment was 
rendered, and it cat off, therefore, any claim which the 
assignee might have on the bankrupt's property which related 
back to a time subsequent to that of the commencement of 
the suit. It is insisted with a great deal of force, on the part 
of counsel, that it has been decided in Ira re Joslyn, 2 Biss. 
235, that the lien of a landlord, which he acquires by virtue 
of a distress warrant, is similar to that acquired by this judg- 
ment crediter, and that the same principle which operates 
upon a lien of attachment and destroys it, also operates upon 
the lien of the judgment. That case was decided under the 
peculiar legislation of Illinois in relation to proceedings by 
landlords to enf orce their rights against tenants. It required 
that when a distress warrant should issue and seize the prop- 
erty, that there should be a suit, or an inquiry by the court, 
as to the amount due ; and what was found due was in the 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/236</title>
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and boit, G, the whole being constructed and arrangea sub- 
Btantially as specified.&quot; It will be observed, the words are 
&quot;constructed and arrangea.&quot; 
I am inclined to think there may be an infringement, and 
this may be a valid claim, independent of what is set forth in 
the specifications, as he describes the invention, &quot;firBtly,&quot;and 
in the first claim, without its possessing the rooking motion ; 
and, therefore, that the view which the plaintiflf's counsel 
take of the construction of the patent is correct. I have 
already called attention to the manner in which the inventor 
divides his invention into two parts — First, so that the sole can 
accomodate itself to the periphery of the wheel ; and, secondly, 
the peculiar combination of the two parts of the shoe, the devis 
by which the shoe is suspended upon the truck, and the boit 
which secures the devis to the shoe, and the two parts to oach 
other; and also to that part of the specification in which he 
says that the difficulties which have heretofore existed are 
avoided because of the shoe having this lateral rocking 
motion. He then says his invention or device has another 
improvement, and that consists in what he describes &quot;secondly&quot; 
as his invention, in the first part of his specification: the 
peculiarly simple arrangement of the devis which supports 
the shoe; the boit. G, serving the purpose of Connecting the 
«levis with the shoe, and the latter to the sole. Whether or 
not the combination of the second claim contains, as an essen- 
tial element, this lateral rocking motion, in order to make it 
a valid claim, and whether it must be found in an infringing 
machine, is the question. If this rocking motion was ail that 
was in the mind of the inventor, I think it may be asked, 
•with a good deal of significance, what was the necessity of 
his dividing his inventions into two parts, as he did in his 
specification, and also in the claims. He may bave had in 
his mind that the device which he was describing was con- 
structed in the way which he has specified; but still he claims 
a combination, which he describes in his second claim, and I 
think it may be a valid combination, iiidependent of the 
lateral rocking motion, which he speaks of in the first claim, 
and in varions parts of the specification. If it is not so, then&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/246</title>
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1879, her son was shipped on board said schooner, (thon em- 
ployed in dredging for oystera in the Chesapeake bay,) with- 
out her knowledge or consent, and detained in said employ- 
ment until the eighth of March following; that her son was, 
during that time, exposed to the rigor of a severe winter, en- 
dured great hardships, was frequently beaten and cruelly 
treated by said master, and allowed to sufïer for want of 
proper food and medicines, and that when discharged he was 
badly frost-bitten and sick, and is still disabled from work; 
that, in consequence, libellant was put to expense for his cure 
and medical treatment, and is still deprived of his earnings, 
and is advised that he will never completely recoyer his abil- 
ity to labor. 
The libellant is a colored woman, living in Washington, and 
the proof shows that- her son, when shipped on respondent's 
vessel, was about 16 years of age, and was living with his 
mother, and gave to her whatever he earned at any work he 
could get to do. It appears that he, together with several 
other colored boys, were induced by a colored man in Wash- 
ington to leave their homes and come with him to Baltimore, 
and were there taken by him to the office of a man who pro- 
cures seamen for oyster vessels, where, the respondent Lewis 
being present, they signed shipping articles to serve Lewis 
during the oyster season at seven dollars per month on any 
vessel he should designate. They received seven dollars 
apieee advance, which was taken by the man who shipped 
them, and then they went at once aboard the schooner Thomas 
W. Moore and proceeded down the bay on her, the respond- 
ent Lewis being master in command. Lewis employed the 
schooner in connection with two other oyster vessels on the 
Chesapeake, each taking its turn to bring the whole catch of 
oysters to Baltimore, and the other two remaining to continue 
dredging. Johnson, the libellant's son, was transferred from 
one of these three beats to another during the whole oyster 
season, and did not get back to Baltimore for some five 
months after he was shipped. He then at once returned to 
his mother in Washington. She had known nothing of hia 
intention to leave his home, and, having been unable to learn&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/250</title>
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Mbbohants' Steam-Ship Co. of Charleston, South Cabo- 
LiNA, ». The Schoonbb S. C. Tbyon. 
(District Court, D. Mwrylana. , 1880.) 
L COLLISIOK — SCHOOITEB AIO) StKAMBB — BtIDENCI! C0K7LICTma— 
ScHOONSK HeliD m Fattlt. 
In Admiralty. 
John H. Thomas, for libellants. 
Brown e Smith, for respondents. 
MoEEis, D. J. The case for the steamer, as stated in the 
libel, is that she left the port of Baltimore on the afternoon of 
the eighth November, 1879, with eight passengers and a full 
cargo of merchandise, on one of her regular voyages from Bal- 
timore to Charleston, South Carolina ; that about 9 : 45 p. m., 
the night being starlight, with a slight haze on the water, the 
•wind a seven-knot breeze from the southward, the steamer 
going on her course S. by E. one-half E. down the Chesa- 
peake bay, at nine miles an hour, having ail her regula- 
tion lights burning, and her second mate, with an experienced 
eeaman, in the pilot-house, and two lookouts in the bow, 
■when, about eight miles above Cove Point, one of the lookouts 
reported a red light one and one-half points over the steam- 
ei'B port hovr; that the second mate and the manat thewheel 
satisfied themselves that the light was on a sail vessel about 
one and one-half miles off, coming up the bay with a fair 
wind, and ported the helm of the steamer so that she fell ofF 
about one point and a half ; that when the said vessels were 
within 800 or 400 yards from each other, and were sufficiently 
apart not to justify any apprehension of danger, the schooner 
being still on the steamer's port bow, and showing only her red 
light, the schooner suddenly, and without cause, starboarded 
her helm and showed both her lights; that the steamer's 
helm was then put hard a-port, and her engines stopped, but 
said vessels were so near together that the schooner struck 
the steamer amidship on her port side, cutting her to the 
water's edge, and doing her such damage that she sank in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/270</title>
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coming up that afternoon. Considering the use of these 
piers, and the great number of steam-boats going in and ont» 
it was imprudent and reckless navigation for the City Point 
to run at bo great a speed eo near the line of the piers. A 
etatute of New York is referred to prohibiting vessels from 
running along the piers on the East river at a speed exceed- 
ing 10 miles an hour, as if this justified the City Point in the 
speed she kept up. But imposing a penalty for exceeding 10 
miles by no means makes any less speed prudent. The speed 
must be regulated by the dangers attending the navigation 
under the particular eircumstances of the case. There was 
no reason for the City Point keeping so close to the piers 
except her own convenienee to make the shortest run to her 
next landing. If she chose to go so close in, she was bound to 
proceed with the more caution, and in such a way that she 
could check her headway easUy, for she was constantly liable 
to have her course crossed by other vessels proceeding slowly 
out of the docks and on her starboard hand. 
Upon the whole case, it is clear that the collision was caused 
solely by the gross carelessness and mismanagement of those 
in charge of the City Point. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/272</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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any moneys from the business carried on at the place, and 
was unable to make the business pay expanses, but was 
obliged to close it, to his damage $750, -which he sots up aa 
a counter claim against the plaintiffs. 
The answer denies ail the allegations of the complaint not 
thus admitted or denied, and demands judgment against the 
plaintiffs that the -complaint be dismissed with costs, and 
that he have judgment against the plaintiffs for $750. This 
answer was put in September 13, 1880. A reply, sworn to 
September 15, 1880, was put in by the plaintiff, replying &quot;to 
the allegations of counter claim contained in the answer,&quot; 
and denying eaoh and every of said allegations. 
On the twentieth of September, 1880, the defendant pre- 
sented to the state court a petition, signed and sworn to by 
him September 18, 1880, setting forth the pendency of the 
suit as an action commenced and pending by the plaintiffs 
against the defendant ; that the plaintiffs are, and were at 
the time of the commencement of the action, citizens of New 
York, and the defendant a citizen of New Jersey; &quot;that the 
matter in dispute in this action exceeds, exclusive of costs, the 
Bum or value of $500;&quot; that &quot;the defendant has appeared in 
this action, in this court, and answered the complaint;&quot; that 
the action had not yet been tried ; and that no term had passed 
since it was commenced at which it could be tried. 
The petition prays that &quot;the said suit may be removed&quot; to 
this court. The proper bond was given and approved by the 
state court, and on the twentieth of September, 1880, that 
court made an order ex parte, which recites the contents of 
the petition and the tenor of the bond; and, &quot;on reading and 
filing a copy of the pleadings in said action, &quot; and the petition 
and the bond, orders that the petition and bond be accepted, 
and declares that said court will proceed no further in the 
suit, it being removed to this court. Afterwards, and before 
the commencement of the next term of this court, and before 
a copy of the record in the state court was filed in this court, 
that court made an order vacating the said order of removal. 
The ground assigned for making this second order, in the 
decision made by Judge McAdam, the judgeof the state court,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/293</title>
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The whole scope of the law shows that this special body was 
a part of the muûicipality of Springfield, although independ- 
ent of its functions and power. By the eighth section of the 
act these commissioners thus created had authority to borrow 
money if the city council should deem it expedient; but they 
had not the right to borrow independent of the city council. 
Money was to be borrowed upon the credit of the city. They 
■were to have power also, with the approval of the city coun- 
cil, to issue bonds, pledging the faith and credit of the city 
for tbeir payment, principal and interest. These bonds were 
to be issued under the corporate seal of the city, signed by 
the mayor and clerk, and made payable at such places, and 
in such currency, as they should deem expedient; and such 
bonds were not to be issued until the city council should ap- 
prove of their issue by a vote of a majority of all the aldermen 
by law authorized to be elected. 
Now, it olearly appears, from these provisions of the stat- 
ute, that although there was a separate corporate body cre- 
ated by this law, called the water commissioners, in relation 
to the issue of bonds they had not authority of themselves, 
but must aot in co-operation and in connection with the city. 
They could not take a step without the authority of the city, 
and the bonds, when issued, were to be issued under the sig- 
natures of the mayor and clerk, and the seal of the city, as 
well as on its credit. Now, it would be a contradiction in 
terms to say that when all these requisites of the law are 
complied with, as they hav-e been in- this case, these were not 
the bonds of the city, and that this was not a legal obligation 
of the city of Springfield, because the water commissioners 
co-operated with the city authorities in the issue of the bonds. 
But the statute provided that the funds derived from the sale 
of the bonds were to be exclusively used for the purposes 
specified in this act, namely: for the creation and continu- 
ance of the water -works which were to supply the city with 
water. And the law also provided that the comnaissionera 
should have power from time to time to assess the amounts 
to be paid for water, and the water rents were to be a lien 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/295</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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their duty, &quot;whether the construction of school-houses, the 
payment of the salaries of teachers, the improvement . of 
Btreets, the building of sewers or bridges* The charter doea 
not limit the power of the city to borrow money to any par- 
ticular purpose. It does not say that they shall borrow 
naoney for this purpose or that only. The clear, reasonable 
construction of the charter is that the city authorities shall 
have the right to borrow money for any legitimate purpose, 
in connection with the authority vested in them by the charter 
itself. Therefore, I can have no doubt that it was perfectly 
proper for the authorities to expeud money, and to borrow 
for the purpose of paying for such expenditures; as, for 
instance, building a Bchool-house of any grade, or making 
sewers, for such purposes are certainly within the ordinary 
municipal duties of a city council. The fact that the charter 
authorizes the city to impose taxes for the construction of 
school-houses, or sewers, or for the improvement of streets, 
does not take away the powers of the city also to borrow 
money for those purposes, and the power to issue bonds still 
exists, notwith standing the right to impose taxes for the pur- 
pose of building a school-house or constructing sewers. 
As to the railroad bonds, I do not see how their validity 
can be successfully contested. There was authority given to 
make the subscription, and it was made, and bonds were 
issued and stock obtained, and, in some instances, voted for, 
as the proof shows. And as to the necessity, in some of the 
cases, for a vote by the people in respect to the re-issue of 
bonds, I do not see that that was necessary, for, it being once 
admitted that the city authorities had the power to issue 
these bonds, that, undoubtedly, carried with it the authority 
to renew the bonds, or to take them np and supply their place 
with other bonds ; and I do not think it can be expected that 
those -who took bonds under such circumstances — that is, 
re-issued bonds — can be required to look into ail the details 
connected with the manner in which the old bonds had been 
taken up and the new ones issued. It may be that there 
were irregularities connected with the issue of new bonds. 
I am not saying that there were, but suppose that there were.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/298</title>
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concerned, or any other that I know of, ît vas a valid organ- 
ization. 
It is Baid, nevertheless, that the act of 1868, which author- 
izea the counties to take stock in railroads, was wholly void, 
bficause this railroad was not organized according to the law 
as it then stood; but that act of 1868 was a continuing act — 
•was not made with reference to this. There were railroad 
corporations then in existence to -whom it might apply, and 
it would apply to any future railroad corporation properly 
organized. Therefore, that act of 1868 authorized the county 
of Pueblo to subscribe to the stock of a railroad properly or- 
ganized in 1873; as it did at the time, 1874. 
I think, therefore, ail the objections taken to the bonds on 
account of the invalidity of the subscription are ineffectuai ; 
and as that is the only question, the demurrer will be sus- 
tained, and plea held bad. 
An appeal bas been taken from this ruling to the United 
States supreme court. 
Westeen Union Tbleseaph Co. v. Kansas Paoifio Eailwat 
Go. and others. 
{District Court, D. Cùlorado. , 1880.) 
L Railboad— Tet-boeaph Feaschise — Conteact.— A railroad, author- 
ized and required by the act of its organization to construct a tele- 
graph Une, entered into a contract with a telegraph company for the 
construction of such line. Hdd, such contract could not be avoided 
by the railroad company, either as a usurpation of its function or for 
want of capacity to make it. 
a. Bame— Same — Sajœ— Iii-EGAL Clatjsb.— A clause of such contract 
contained an agreement, upon the part of the railroad company, not 
to transport men or materials for any other telegraph company at less 
than the regular rates for passengers and freight, and not to give per- 
mission to any such company to erect another line on its lands or 
roadway. Hdd that, if such clause was void, as in conflict with the 
act of 1866, aiding the construction of telegraph lines, it could be 
eliminated from the contract. '&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/308</title>
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absence of exact knowledge, we cannot say that it was only 
nominal, or only necessaries for which she was not bound to 
pay. 
Judgment for the defendant. 
Maok &amp; Co. V. McDaniel. 
{Ciremi Court, E. D. Arkanaaa. October, 1880.) 
1. Attachmbnt — Removal of Pkopbrtt out op THE State— Arkansas 
8TAT0TB8. — A statuts in Arkansa8 declares a crediter may have an at- 
tachaient against his debtor who &quot; is about to remove, or has removed, 
his property, or a material part thereof, out of this state, not leav- 
ing enough therein to satisfy the plaintiff's claim, or the claim of said 
defendant's creditors.&quot; 
Sdd, that a merchant who did not have property enough to pay his 
debts, and who invested a material portion of his assets in cotton and 
shipped it out of the state, was liable to attachment under this statute ; 
that the plaintifE did not have to show the removal was made for a 
fraudulent purpose ; and that the fact that the shipments of cotton out 
of the state were usual and customary with the defendant and with 
merchants generally doing business in the state, constituted no de- 
fence to the attachment. 
Attachment. 
The plaintiff sued out an attachment against the property 
of'the defendant. The affidavit for the attachment wasbased 
on the sixth subdivision of section 388, Gantt's Digest, which 
declares the plaintiff may have an attachment against his 
debtor who &quot;is about to remove, or has removed, his prop- 
erty, or a material part thereof, out of this state, not leaving 
enough therein to satisfy the plaintiff's claim, or the claim 
of said defendant's creditors.&quot; 
The defendant filed an affidavit denying the grounds of 
attachment. On the trial of this issue it was shown that the 
defendant was a retail merchant, doing business at Arkadel- 
phia, in this state; that at and before the time the attach- 
ment was sued out he was insolvent, and wholly unable to 
pay his debts; that his property consisted chiefly, if not alto-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/314</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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in terms required to be made before entry. Authorities are 
numerous that the party condetnning may, thus enter even 
where no right is given by the charter to the owner to ini- 
tiate proceedings for assessment of damages. 
But I think the facts in this case, aside from the law as 
laid down, show a waiver of payment in advanee of the entry 
and construction of the road by Edward Schriber, the owner, 
and his heirs. The route of the Northern Pacific Eailroad 
Company was finally located over the locus in quo November 
21, 1871. Edward Schriber purchased it in the month of 
January previous from the government. The railroad was 
constructed in the summer of 1872. There was no person 
Jiving upon the premises at the time, and it was uncultivated. 
The land being vacant at the time of entry by the plaintiff, 
on the definite location of the route, and the owner residing 
in the state of Pennsylvania, would not the clause in the 
company's charter, which authorizes it to enter upon vacant 
and unoccupied land, justify the entry? But conceding it 
would not, yet, when the entry was made, and the road in 
operation, an acquiescence for the shortest period is sufficient 
to warrant a belief that the owner intends to waive ail claims 
except, perhaps, for the damages, which could be assessed as 
well after as before entry. Certainly the earliest notification 
to the Company, according to the averments of the answer, 
was long after the construction by the plaintifif of its road 
over the land, and, though it is alleged in the answer that 
neither Edward Schriber in his life-time, nor his heirs, knew 
until 1873 that the plaintiff had constructed its road over 
this land, still, up to the time of the conveyance of their 
interest in the strip which crosses th« Northern Pacific Eail- 
road, in 1880, they only notified the plaintiff that they held 
it responsible for the trespass and use of the land, and have 
never commenced any proceedings to assert their rights. 
The plaintiff has been in possession of the land since No- 
vember, 1871, and operating its road since 1872. Under such 
circumstances a license is implied. 
It is conceded by defendants' counsel that the Barnesville 
&amp; Moorhead Eailroad Company, as owner of a strip purchased&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Bwom to by E. B. Angus, which was read on the hearing of 
the original application for injunction, purports to give in 
some detail what these representations were, and he says H. 
E. Sargent, the plaintiff's general manager, knew that the 
defendants intended to cross plaintiff's line, and made no 
objection to the manner or the point at which said crossing 
■was to be made, but at bis own request was furnished by the 
defendants' chief engineer with a description of said proposed 
crossing, and a diagram and model of a frog whioh would be 
required at said point, and that said Sargent then agreed and 
promised to construct said frog at the shops of said plaintiff 
at Brainerd, in this state. 
The affidavits of the president and secretary of the Com- 
pany, and of the general manager, denying any consent to the 
intended crossing, are read in reply, and a copy of a letter 
■written by one of the defendants, Stickney, superintendent of 
construction of the Bamesville &amp; Moorhead Eailroad, dated 
September 3, 1880, and addressed to H. E. Sargent, general 
manager of the Northern Pacific Eailroad, is also produeed, 
purporting to enclose a tracing of the proposed crossing, with 
a request that the crossing frogs should be made at the plain- 
tiff's shops and charged to the BarnesviUe &amp; Moorhead Eail- 
road Company; also a copy of a letter, dated September 9, 
1880, addressed to J. J. ïïill, general manager of the St. Paul, 
Minneapolis &amp; Manitoba Eailway, and one of the principal 
officers of the BarnesviUe &amp; Moorhead Eailroad Company, by 
Sargent, stating that in the matter of the BarnesviUe &amp; Moor- 
head line crossing the Northern Pacific near Moorhead, &quot;I am 
direeted to forbid your doing so, or entering the Northern 
Pacific Eailroad Company's right of way, which is a strip 200 
feet wide on eaeh side of the main track.&quot; 
This was certainly a formai revocation of any paroi license 
to enter upon the Northern Pacific track or right of way, con- 
ceding that consent or license was given, which is very doubt- 
ful. Again, the power of the general manager of the North- 
ern Pacific Eailroad to bind the company in a matter of this 
kind is not clear, but if he could grant such license, as is 
claimed by defendants, still the law is well settled that a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/320</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Under said oertificate is a certificate by T. V. Lister, assist- 
ant under secretary of state, sealed with the seal of the foreign 
ofiSce, certifying that Lushington's said signature is the hand- 
writing of Godfrey Lushington, assistant under secretary of 
state for the home department. Under said two certificates 
is a certificate by J. E. Lowell, envoy extraordinary and min- 
ister plenipotentiary of the United States of America, made at 
the legation of the United States, London, under the seal of 
the legation of the United States of America to Great Britain, 
certifying that Lister's said signature is the handwriting ot 
Or. V. Lister, &quot;one of the assistant under secretaries of state 
for foreign affairs, and that the annexed documents are authen- 
ticated in the manner required by the statutes of the United 
States.&quot; • 
There is also a copy of a warrant, issued at Bradford, Sep- 
tember 21, 1880, by a justice of the peace there, reciting said 
information, and commanding the constables of Bradford to 
arrest Fowler, and bring him before a justice of the peace to 
answer said information. This copy is certifled by Angus 
Holden, a justice of the peace at Bradford, to be a true copy 
of the original warrant. 
On the back of the copy is a certificate by said Lushington of 
■ the same tenor, mutatis mutandis, as his certificate on the back 
of the copy of the information. Under said oertificate is a cer- 
tificate of Julian Pauncefote, assistant under secretary of state 
of foreign affairs, sealed with the seal of the foreign office, of 
the same tenor as the said certificate of said Lister. Under 
said two certificates is a certificate by Mr. Lowell, made at 
the legation of the United States, London, under the seal of the 
legation of the United States to Great Britain, certifying 
that Pauncefote's said signature was the handwriting of Sir 
Julian Pauncefote, &quot;one of the assistant under secretaries of 
state for foreign affairs, and that the annexed documents are 
authenticated in the manner required by the statutes of the 
United States.&quot; -There are, also, an original deposition of 
William Jowett, and an original deposition of Edwin 1. Hust- 
ier, signed by them respeotively, and sworn to at Bradford, 
September 30, 1880, before W. PoUard, a justice of the peace&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/324</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ticated as true copies of such originalSj the autlientication 
being made according to the law of the foreign country. 
When originals are offered they must be satisfactorily iden- 
tified, and it must appear that they would be entitled to be 
received in the tribunals of the foreign country as evidence of 
such crimina]ity, if the inquiry as to such criminality were 
being had in such foreign tribunals. When copies are offered 
it must appear that the originals of them would be entitled 
to be received in the tribunals of the foreign country as evi- 
dence of such criminality, if the inquiry as to such criminal- 
ity were being had in such foreign tribunals, and it must 
appear that the copies are true copies of such originals, and 
the authentication that the copies are true copies must be 
made according to the law of the foreign country. There 
would seem to be a distinction industriously made, in the 
section, between originals and copies. If copies had been 
intended to be placed in the same category with originals, 
the words &quot;or copies of any such depositions, warrants, or 
other papers&quot; would naturally have been inserted after the 
words &quot;or other papers,&quot; where the latter words first occui ; 
and the portion of the section after the word &quot;escaped,&quot; to 
and including the word &quot;evidence,&quot; would have been omitted. 
The inference is that a different meaning may be looked for 
in the expression &quot;properly and legally authenticated, so as to 
entitle them to be received as evidence of the criminality of 
the person so apprehended, by the tribunals of the foreign 
country from whioh the accused party shall have escaped,&quot; 
from that which is to be looked for in the expression &quot;authen- 
ticated according to the law of such foreign country.&quot; 
In Webster's Dictionary &quot;authenticate&quot; is defined thus: 
&quot;To render authentic; to give authority to, by the proof, at- 
testation, or formalities required by law, or sufficient to enti. 
tle to credit.&quot; In Worcester's Dictionary &quot;authenticate&quot; is 
defined thus: , &quot;To prove authentic.&quot; In Bouvier's Law 
Dictionary &quot;authenticaton&quot; is defined thus : &quot;A proper or 
legal attestation. Acts done \yith the view of causing an 
instrument to be known and identifiëd.&quot; In Burrill's Law 
Dictionary &quot;authentication&quot; is defined thus: &quot;The act or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/334</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that such remedy is full, adequate, and complete, and that, 
therefore, the assignee in bankruptcy has no remedy in equity 
as against these respondents ; that there was no ground for 
making them parties to a bill for setting aside the assign- 
ment ; that they do net claim under the state assignee, but 
in hostility to him. It is further objected that no decree 
should be made against them, because they claim that the 
assignment was void under the laws of New York, and, there- 
fore, whether it was voidable under the bankrupt law or not, 
there was left in the bankrupt a title which, under the lawsof 
New York, could be reached by the levy of execution. And the 
particular grounds on which it is claimed that it was thus void 
are that at the time of the levy of the executions no schedules 
had been filed, and no bond given by the assignee ; that this 
last question of the validity of the assignment under the laws 
of New York is one which cannot be tried in this suit, but 
must be tried in a suit between the state assignee and the 
sheriff, which suit had been commenced before this suit was 
commenced. 
It is further insisted that this case is distinguishable from 
the case of In re Biesenthal in this respect : that in that case 
the property in question on which a levy had been made, 
part of the assigned property, had not been sold by the sher- 
iff, but was afterwards Bold, by consent of the parties in the 
suit, to set aside the assignment, and the proceeds deposited 
in the registry of the court to abide the decision of the court 
in that suit as to the rights of the parties; so that there waa 
a fund in court in respect to which the court had jurisdiction 
to determine ail rights, or that the execution creditors were 
parties claiming a lien and interest adverse to the complain- 
ant in respect to the very property in controversy between 
the assignee in bankruptcy and the state assignee in the suit 
brought to set aside the assignment. Whereas, in the pres- 
ent case, the question between the assignee in bankruptcy 
and the execution creditors relates, not to any specifie prop- 
erty, part of the assigned estate, or to any proceeds of it 
traced and identified as such, but his claim against them is 
merely for money damages.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/342</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that it is patented; but I do not find the plaintiffs'first claîm 
to be so narrow that a new mode of fastening, operatmg to do 
the TYork of their screws, would esoape it. 
Decree for the complainants. 
SiBBBET Cylindeb Oil Ctjp Co. V. Habpbr Stbam Lubbi- 
OATOB Co. 
{Œr&amp;iit Court, D. Oonneeticut. October 25, 1880.) 
L Rb-Isstih: — New Mattkb. — A device was patented as for a lubricator 
actlng by steam pressure. Subsequent investigation led to the con- 
clusion that, although steam rendered slight assistance, hydrostatic 
pressure was the active agent. Thereupon a new arrangement of 
parts was made in which the latter principle only was used, and tha 
lecond device was patended. Hdd, that the patentee could not sub- 
sequently obtain a re-issue of the flrst patent which would cover the 
method of feeding a lubricant by means of hydrostatic pressure alonë, 
operating through devices substantially as shown. 
2. Same— Samb — DEFnsiTioK. — By new matter is meant &quot;new, substan- 
tive matter, such as would have the efflect of changing the invention, 
or of introducing what might be the subject of another application 
for a patent.&quot; 
Powder Co. v. Powder Works, 98 U. S. 126, followed. 
Taie Loek Manufg Co. v. Scoviil Manufg Go., 3 Fbd. Rkp. 218, dis- 
tinguished. 
A. H. Evans, for plaintiff. 
Henry T. Blake, for defendant. 
Shipman, D. J. This is a bill in equity to restrain the de- 
fendant from the alleged infringement of re-issued lettera 
patent, which were issued on June 3, 1879, to Nicholas Sie- 
bert for a lubricator of steam-engines. The original patent 
was issued September 14, 1869. 
The device, which is described and claimed in the re-issue, 
is clearly explained by General EUis, the plaintiEE's expert, 
as f ollows : 
&quot;This device is an improvement in lubricators. It consista 
of a horizontal cylinder, in which transverses a piston, to one 
side of which is attacbed a piston-rod, which passes through&lt;noinclude&gt;
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John Detichfield; that it had been surrendered and cancelled, 
and that a new patent bas been ordered to issue to &quot;him.&quot; 
The plaintiff has put in evidence a certificate of extension 
•which states that on the petition of John Deuchfield for the 
extension of the patent granted to him April 20, 1858, and 
re-issued January 16, 1872, it is extended for seven years from 
April 20, 1872. An original patent is in evidence which was 
granted to John Denchfield, Apiil 20, 1858, for 14 years from 
that day; and there is no dispute that that is the patent 
which was surrendered when the re-issued patent to John 
Dewchfield was granted, and that no original patent was 
granted to John Dewchfield unless the one so granted to John 
Denchfield was one. The real name of the man was Dewch- 
field. The mistake was clearly one made in the patent office — 
a clerical and accidentai mistake in taking the letter n to be 
the letter u. 
The defendants did not, at any stage of the taking of the 
proofs in the cause, raise any question as to the identity of 
the person to whom the re-issue was granted with the original 
patentee, either when the documentary proofs were being put 
in or when the oral testimony was being taken. In the 
defendants proofs the questions to their witnesses, and the 
answers thereto, refer to the re-issue as having been granted 
to John Derechfield, and as having been granted to the same 
person to whom the patent of April 20, 1858, was granted. 
If the point had then been suggested doubtless the plaintiff 
would bave proved, in fact, the identity of John Deitchiield 
with John Denchfield. Such identity seems to bave been 
shown va. Herring v. Nelson, the evidence in which case is 
made part of this case by stipulation and notice. The ques- 
tion is one of identity merely. Panes v. Whitbread, 11 C. B. 
406; Jackson v. Boneham, 15 John. 226; Jackson v. Cody, 9 
Cow. 140. The defendants gave no evidence to show that 
there was any such person as John Deuchûeld, or that the 
re-issue was not intended to be issued, or was not, in fact, 
isBued, to the same person to whom the original patent was 
granted. Indeed, there is safficient in the proofs, in the 
evidence given bj the plaintiff as a witness, to show that the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the pufpose. Sohnmacker &amp; Co., doubtîng whether the 
Whictham côuld arrive in time, wanted a guaranty that she 
■would, but this was declined. All parties then made their eal- 
culations as to the probable time of her arrivai upon the basis 
of the language in the telegram, and finally Schumaeker &amp; 
Co. agreed to take her; first, however, providing that Bhe 
might be loaded in Philadelphia or Baltimore at their option, 
intending if she did not arrive in time for Baltimore to get her 
cargo under their contract at PHUadelphia. In these calcu- 
ïations it was assumed by all that she would get away from 
Benizaf not later than the second of August, and that her 
voyage across would probably be about 20 days. This all 
occurred at Baltimore on the first of August, and it does not 
appear from the evidence that any of the parties, either in 
Philadelphia or Baltimore, knew anything of the movements 
of the vessel except as they were to be inferred from the tel- 
egram. There was no communication with Benizaf by tele- 
graph, the nearest telegraphie station being at Gibraltar, which 
was a day's sail away. 
(5.) As soon as the bargain was concluded, Erickson sent 
to Gregg &amp; Co. for a eharter-party in form. They imme- 
diately sent the draft of one in which the vessel was described 
as &quot;sailed from or loading at Benizaf.&quot; This Schumaeker &amp; 
Co. declined to accept on the ground that their agreement 
was for a vessel that &quot;had sailed or was about to sail from 
Benizaf with cargo for Philadelphia.&quot; This being communi- 
cated to Gregg &amp; Co. they at once sent forward a new draft 
to meet the wishes of Schumaeker &amp; Co., and using the 
language they insisted upon. This new draft reached Balti- 
more on the second of August, and was duly executed by all 
parties. This is the instrument, a oopy of which is marked 
Exhibit A, and filed with the original libel. From this it 
appears that in the printed blank which was used there were 
the folio wing words: &quot;Charterers to have option of cancel- 
ling this oharter-party should vessel not have arrived at load- 
ing port prier to .&quot; These words were erased by draw- 
ing a pen through them before signing. 
(6.) Schumaeker &amp;Co. having ascertained, on the nînth of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Bkown, D. J. This suit was removed under the second 
section of the act of March 3, 1875. This section proyides 
for the removal of suits between citizens of different statea 
in two classes of cases: First, cases in which there shall 
be a controversy between citizens of different states, in which 
case &quot;either party&quot; may remove the suit into the proper 
circuit court; second, cases in which there shall be a contro- 
versy &quot;between citizens of different states, and which can be 
fully determined as between them,&quot; in which case &quot;either one 
or: more of the plaintiffs or defendants actually interested in 
sueb iîontroversy may remove said suit to the circuit court of 
the United States.&quot; --• 
In construing the first clause of this section it bas been 
upiformly held that the words &quot;either party&quot; conrprehend all 
the individuals upon one side of the contfoversy, and that all 
Buch individual parties must unite in the petition. The Re- 
moval Cases, 100 U. S. 457; C. e St. L., etc., B. Ce. v. Ma- 
comb, 9 Eep. 569; Ruckman y. Palisade Land Co. 1 Fed. Eep. 
367; In re Fraser's Estate, 6 Eep. 357; National Bank v. 
Dodge, 25 Int. Eev. Eec. 304. ' 
These decisions were a mere application to the actof 1875 
of the rule which had obtained with reference to removal 
under previous açts. Under the judiciary act of 1789 it had 
been well established that all of the defendants must unite 
in- a petition for removal. Smith v. Bines, 2 Sum. 338 ; 
Beardsley v. Terrey, 4 Wash. 286; Ward v. Arredondo, 1 
Paine, 410. 
The second clause of section 2, under which the removal of 
this case must be supported, if at ail, was undoubtedly in- 
tended to apply to a different class of cases from those men- 
tioned in the first clause; otherwise the firat clause is unnec- 
sary. The first clause, as well as the second, contemplates a 
controversy wholly between citizens of different states, and 
which can be fully determined as between them. But it would 
not be consonant with sound principles of consti^uction to say 
that both of these clauses meant the same thing, and gave the 
parties the option of petitioning jointly or severally. The sec- 
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her favor, then you may look to all the proof, including her 
admissions in that petition, and say how the truth is. Ad- 
naissions under oath, made with a knowledge of tiie facts, are 
the very highest order of testimony and deserve great weight 
at your hands. You are to look to the admissions in the 
light of the Burrounding cireumstances ; to her condition men- 
tally ; to the nature and character of her means of informa- 
tion; to the fact that the document is a legal proceeding, 
drawQ by a lawyer and read over to her by him ; to the es- 
tent of her understanding of the language used; to the object 
and character of the petition itself, and to every fact and cir- 
cumstance found in the proof adding strength to or detract- 
ing from the sworn statement, and say what weight you will 
give to it under all the circumstancea. Having thus weighed 
the admission, you will in the same -way look to the other 
proof in the case, weigh it in the same manner, and say 
whether the facts be as the plaintifif now claims them to be, 
or as the defendant says they are. If you find that Behr, the 
deceased, was, at the time he took out the policy, addicted to 
the use of ardent spirits, the plaintiff cannot recover; or, if 
you find that he subsequently acquired the habit of intem- 
perance, so as to impair his health or produce delirium tre- 
mens, she cannot recover.&quot; 
The court also refused to give the foUowing charges asked 
by the defendant company, viz. : 
&quot;Ordinarily, a party having made a sworn statement of facts 
in the course of a judicial proceeding, (as, for instance, such a 
statement as is made in the petition for divorce filed by Mrs. 
Behr, and given in evidence in this case,) is absolutely bound 
by such statement, and estopped from showing that such 
statement was not true. This doctrine has its foundation in 
the obligation under which every person is placed to speak 
and act according to the truth, and in the policy of the law 
to suppress the mischief s that would arise if men were per- 
mitted to deny that which, by their solemn and deliberate 
acts, they bave declared to be true. The conclusive effect of 
such statements can only be obviated by clear proof that 
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take. The court may comment on the facts to aid the jury 
in reaching a just conclusion, but should be careful, in doing 
so, not to assume to decide the matter of fact itself. Farm- 
ers' Bank v. Harris, 2 Humph. 311 ; Burdell v. Denig, 92 U. 
S. 716; Life Ins. Co. v. Baker, 94 U. S. CIO. 
The charge refused overlooks the proof for the plaintiff, 
and, calling the attention of the jury to the strong features in 
the defendant's favor, asks the court to say to the jury that 
there was deliberation in making the statement, and no inad- 
vertence or mistake. It is not competent for the court, where 
there is evidence tending to prove the entire issue, although 
it is conflicting, to give an instruction -which shall take from 
the jury the right of weighing the evidence and determining 
its force and effect. Weightman v. Washington City, 1 Black. 
39, 49 ; Greenleafy. Birth, 9 Pet. 292; Crane v. Morris, 6 Pet. 
698, at p. 617; Lucas v. Brooks, 18 Wall. 436. 
It is very difScult in some cases to determine whether an 
instruction is on the facts or the law of a case, and its cor- 
rectnesa must depend on the phraseology used; but where 
the jury is instructed as to what their verdict shall be on the 
particular point, it is a direction on the effect that they shall 
give to the evidence. Tracey v. Swarto.ut, 10 Pet. 80. 
A careful reconsideration of this charge strengthens the 
conviction I entertained at the time it was refused, that it is 
a partial statement of the facts, accompanied with an expres- 
sion of opinion by the court as to the effect of those partic- 
ular facts upon the general fact in dispute — namely, whether 
Mrs. Behr made her statement under oath deliberately, and 
without inadvertence or mistake. The charge was therefore 
properly refused. 
The other errors assigned proceed upon the theory that the 
petition for divorce was an estoppel, and the court erred in 
not saying so to the jury. Undoubtedly the supreme court of 
Tennessee, in Hamilton v. Zimmerman, 5 Sneed, 40, 47, calls 
the principle which concludes a party by bis sworn statement 
erroneously, I think, when applied&lt; to a case like this, an 
estoppel; and the subsequent cases, foUowing the language of 
that case, continue, to call it so. Cooley v. Steele, 2 Head,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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by lier oath unless she could show, to the satisfaction of the 
jury, that she had not wilfully made a false oath in the first 
instance. This is all that the cases cited mean, in my opin- 
ion, a-nd all else that is claimed for them is based upon an 
inference drawn from the use of the word &quot;estoppel.&quot; I have 
found none, and doubt if any cases elsewhere will support the 
doctrine that a man is ever bound by a false oath so that he 
cannot show the truth as between himself ànd others who are 
strangers, and have been neither injured nor prejudiced 
by the original f alsehood. 
The genoral rule elsewhere is not in accordance with the 
Tennessee cases. 1 Greenl. Ev. §§ 210-212. But in the 
charge I gave to the jury I have followed the cases strictlyin 
ail except calling the principle enunciated an estoppel. It 
is immateidal by which name it is called, perhapSj, but more 
was sought to be implied, fçopa the word than the cases them.- 
selves justified, andit seemed to me necessary to. diso.ard it 
as misleading. In, vie^^ of what was actually said to the jury 
on the Bubject, it seems to me that no error was committed 
of whic.h: the defendant can complain. : 
Thç factthat the jury were told that they could not lookto 
the proof at large unless they acquitted the plaintiff of any 
intentional and wilful false swearing, it is argued, called for 
a trial as if upon an indictment for perjury, and the jury 
were led to believe that they would, by finding against her. 
substantially fasten upon her the odium of perjury or false 
swearing, and were thereby led to prejudice the defendant's 
case by giving more effect to the plaintiff 's proof than they 
should have done, and less to that of the defendant than they 
would have done if they had been told that they must simply 
determine whether she had made the oath deliberately and&gt; 
with full knowledge of the facts, or under circumstances 
showing that she made it inadvertently or by mistake. 
There is much force in this objection to the charge, and it 
illustrates the inconvenience of applying the analogy of estop- 
pel to the mere process of weighing testimony. The cases 
cited all show that there is a preliminary question to be tried, 
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derived from other sources to reolaim those or any other 
lands. The several swamp-land cases already cited, arising 
Tmder the act in question, also decide that the legislature bas 
power to include lands held under Mexican grants in reclama- 
tion districts. 
The point that, conceding the power of the legislature to 
include the lands of Hagar, held by him under a Mexican 
grant, in a district formed for the purpose of reclamation, 
still it did not in fact so include them by the act of 1868, or 
the provisions of the political code, in question, is distinctly 
decided against the defendant by the supreme court of the 
state in Hagar v. Sup'rs Yolo Co. 47 Cal. 223; People v. Hagar, 
52 Cal. 172. This being a construction of a statute of Cali- 
fornia by the highest court of the stàte,i8 oonclusive uponthis 
court. The last point, that the assessment is void beeause 
not made according to any rule 6f benefits, etc., bas alteady 
been considered under another head, and it is disposed of by 
the authorities already cited. See, particularly, Hagar v. 
Sup'rs Yoh Co. 47 Cal. 2a3-4; People y. Hagar, 52 Cal. 183; 
Davidson y. New Orleans, 6 Otto, 107. No othen point appears 
tp me to require special notice. Ail the questions presented 
in this (Jase, upon which there ever coald bave been gtounds 
for reasonable doubt, are&gt; in my judgment, authoritati)?ely 
settled, either by decisions of the United States, supreme 
eourt or the supreme court Of the state of Califomia. 
, There must be a decree for complainant, in pursnance of 
the prayer of the bill, and it is so ordered. Similar decree 
in the three other cases.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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I said, a construction making these statutes apply to con- 
tracts made before their passage should net be adopted 
unless neeessary, and whatever may be said of chapter 60, 
Laws of 1868, it is no longer in force, having been repealed 
by the Eevised Statutes of 1878, which substitutes the other 
provision above referred to in its place; and as to the last 
provision, which is now in force, though the language is gen- 
erai enough to apply to ail contracts, if such a construction 
would not render the law unconstitutional, it should, I think, 
in view of this consideration, if no other, be held to apply 
only to contracts executed after its passage; and such I hold 
to be the proper construction. 
The plaintiff will be entitled to judgment for the principal 
of the two bonds, and the amount named in the unpaid cou- 
pons thereto attached, with interest at 8 per cent, upon the 
principal from January 1, 1877, the time the bonds fell due, 
and with interest at 7 per cent, upon the unpaid coupons 
from the time they severally fell due. 
Wadsworth ». St. Croix Coxjntt. 
iGireuit Court, W. D. Wiseonain. , 1880.) 
L MimicrPAii Bonds— Boakd of Supbbvisobs. — An act of the legisla- 
ture of the State of Wisconsin provided that the board of super- 
visors of the defendant county &quot; shall have poTver, by resolution, to 
cause to be issued bonds ******* to an amount not 
exceeding flfty thousand dollars,&quot; •' if a majority of the ballots cast &quot; 
by the legal votera in said county &quot; be 'for railroad aid. ' &quot; Sdd, where 
a majority of the ballots cast were &quot; for railroad aid,&quot; that it still 
rested in the discretion of the board of supervisors whether such 
bonds should be issued. 
AapenijoaU v. Cffm'r» of the County ofDamess, 22 How. 364 
Town of Coneord v. Savings Bank, 92 U. S. 625. 
Demurrer to Complaint. 
Btinn, D. J. This case stands upon a general demurrer to 
the complainant's bill, The suit is in equity, to compel the 
specifie performance of an alleged contract on the part of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to be îssued bon^s of a denomination of one bundred dollars 
to one thonsand dollars each, to an amount not exceeding 
fifty thousand dollars for each of said counties, payable thirty 
years after the date thereof, with interest at the rate of seven 
per centum, payable semi-annually in the city of New York, 
at such place as the treasurer of the state shall designate. 
• «»•*•* 
Bec. 8. If, from any cause, the said question is not sub- 
mitted to the electors of either of said counties at the annual 
town meeting, on the first Tuesday of April, one thousand 
eight hundred and sixty-four, it shall be submitted àt any 
election or town meeting thereafter, when any ten electors of 
said county shall file with the elerk of the county board of 
supervisors a petition therefor; and, when such petition is 
thus filed, the said elerk shall give notice of the proposed 
Bubmission of such question in the same manner as notices 
of general elections are now required by law to be given by 
the sheriff. 
Sec. 9. This act shall take effect and be in force from and 
after its passage and publication. 
Approved AprU 1, 1864. 
trENEBAL LaWS OF WlSCONSIN — 1865 — PaGB 380. 
ChapUr 279. 
[Putlished May 20, 1865.] 
An act to legalize the proceedings of certain town meetings 
held in the several towns of St. Croix county. 
The people of the state of WiscoTisin, represented in senate and 
assembly, do enact asfoUows: 
Section 1. The special town meetings held în the several 
towns of St. Croix county, on the twenty-second of June, 1864, 
and the canvass of the votes given thereat, under the acts 
passed above, entitled for the purpose of aiding in the con- 
struction of the Tomah &amp; Lake St. Croix EaUroad, and of 
the St. Croix &amp; Lake Superior Eailroad, are bereby declared 
to be legal and yalid in ail respects, as if the said laws in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/408</title>
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Brand V. Unitëd States. 
(Circuit Court, N. D. New lork. November 6, 1880.) 
1. Sending Letters Theouqh Mail — Intent to Defaud — Kev. St. 
i 5480.— Section 5480 of the Revised S ta tûtes provides that &quot;if 
any person haying devised, or intendlng to devise, any sehetne or 
artifice to defraud or be effected by eittier opening, or iatending 
to open, correspondence or communication with any other person, 
whether resident within or outside of the United States, by 
means of the post-office establishment of the United States, or by 
Inciting such other person to open communication vvith the per- 
son so desiring or intendtng, shall, in and for eieeuting such 
scheme or artifice, or attempting so to do, place any letter or 
paclcet in any post-office of the United States, or taise or receive 
any therefrom, such person so misusing the post-office establlsli- 
ment shall Be punishable by a fine of not more than $500, and Dy 
imprisoumeiit for not more than 18 months or by both such puu- 
ishments.&quot; Held, that the word &quot;or,&quot; in the expression &quot;or be 
effected,&quot; is a clerical mistake for the word &quot;to,&quot; and that the 
expression shouldibe, &quot;to be effected.&quot; 
2. CiBCUiT Court — ^Wkit or Eeeoh — ^Act of Mabgh 3, 1879, (20 U. S. 
St. AT I^ARGB, 354.) — ïhe oiily questions that can be reviewed in 
the circuit court upon a writ of error, under the act of March 3, 
18T9, (20 U. S. St. at Large, 354,) relatlng to &quot;criminal cases trled 
before the district court,&quot; are those which appear by the record 
to have beeu decided and duly excepted to in the court below. 
3. RequesT— -Indictment — Stifficienct. — A request to iiistruct the 
jury that there vpas no evidence in the case upon which there 
could be a legal conviction under the indictmeut, does not raisu 
any question as to the sufflciency of such indlctment. 
4. Same— Evidence — Stjefioiency. — The circuit court cannot, on vrrlt 
of error, pass upon the sufflciency of the evidence in the court be- 
low, where the bill of exceptions does not clearly set forth ail 
such evidence. 
5. SaNDifra Lettbbs Thhough Maii.— Intent to Dbpiî.^ud — EyroESfCB.— 
The f act that defendant received letters in answer to an advertisement, 
and the fact that the letter inclosing the advertisement to the news- 
paper in which it was published was in the defendant's handwriting, 
warranted the court in charging, under the circumatances of this case, 
that such facts were evidence that defendant mailed such letter and 
advertisement. 
Uniied States v. Moelke, 1 Fbd. Bep. 426-442. 
Writ of Error under the Act of March 3, 1879. 
Matthew Haie, for plaintiff. 
Martin I. Townsend, Dist. Att'y, for the United States.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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nnknown, whick said scheme and artifice was- by the said 
Anseliû P. Brand intended to be effected by sending, by 
means of the post-office establishment of the United States, 
to the editora and publishers of the Malone Palladium, a 
&quot;weekly paper published in Malone, Franklin coanty, New 
York, and within the northern district of New York, and 
witbin the jurisdiction of this court, to-wit, one Frederick J. 
Seaver and one Oscar P. Ames, who were, at the time 
last aforesaid, the editors and publishers of the said Malone 
Palladium, the following special notice and letter, to-wit : 
'&quot;Special Notice.— iPFawfed: A few good young men (those 
from :the country preferred) to go on the road as traveling 
salesmen, to sell a specialty to the grocery -trade. If we can 
get the right ones, will pay them good wages. - Examine sam- 
ples of our specialty. We want plain, temperate, ambitious 
young men, who wiU not abuse our confidence, and who are 
not afraid to carry a 4e-pound sample case and make 60»day 
trips, when circumstanees rô^uire it,.without gruïnbling. We 
want youio travel by public conveyance. Enclose 25 cents 
with your application, and we will forward you a sample, 
.express paid, and we will say bere that we will pay no atten- 
•tion to applicants who do notfeel interest enough to examine 
sample fîrst, and be your own judge as to your fitness for the 
work; others need not apply. Addresa A. B. Fritz &amp; Co., 
care Cumberland House, Plattsburgh, New York. August 
6, 1878.' 
'&quot;Plattsbuegh, August 6, 1878. 
•' ' Dbab Sib : Enclosed please find two dollars, as part pay- 
ment for publishing the within notice for two months. We 
ehall be in your place September Ist or 2d, and will call and 
see you and settle same. Please send us a paper, with 
above notice, to this place, care of Cumberland House, and 
oblige A. B. Feitz &amp; Co.' 
&quot;And he, the said Anselm P. Brand, did then and tbere 
knowingly, wrongf uUy, and unlawf uUy send said special notice, 
by means of the post-ofiîce establishment of the United States, 
to the said Frederick J. Seaver and Oscar P. Ames, editors 
and publishers as aforesaid, by depositing in the post-office&lt;noinclude&gt;
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This case îs before the court on a writ of error, allowed 
under the provisions of the act of March 3, 1879, (20 U. S. St. 
at Large, 364.) 
The record states that, on a trial on a plea of not guilty of 
the offences charged in the indictment, the defendant was 
found guilty of the offences charged in said indictment, and 
was sentenced for said offences to be imprisoned in the 
Albany county penitentiary for the term of one year, and to 
pay a fine of $250. The return io the writ, in addition to 
the record of judgment and the minutes of the trial, contains 
a bill of exceptions taken by the defendant. There is no 
assignment of errors, nor any statement of any exceptions 
.except Buch exceptions as are found in the bill of exceptions. 
There is no statement of any objection having been taken in 
the court below to the indictment, by demurrer or otherwise, 
either as to form or substance, or of any motion to quash it, 
orof any motion there in arrest of judgment. There is not, 
in the bill of exceptions, any statement of any question hav- 
ing been raised as to the indictment. Nevertheless, the 
defendant on this writ of errûr raises the question as to the 
Buffioiency of the indictment. He contends that the indict- 
ment charges no criminal act; thatitis not enough to allege 
an intent to defraud; that no facts are stated, which, if 
proved, will support the conclusion averred, that the deposit 
of the notice in the post-office was in pursuance of a scheme 
to defraud; that the notice and the letter are harmless and 
innocent if issued in good faith ; that it is not averred that 
the notice was not signed by A. B. Fritz &amp; Co., or that A. B. 
Fritz &amp; Co. were not ready or did not intend to forward the 
samples as provided in the notice, or that the specialty to be 
Bold to the groeery trade did not exist, or had no value, or 
that the persons who may bave sent their money to the 
address indicated did not receive the samplea promised, or 
were in any way defrauded, and that averments should be 
found in the indictment from which the court can see how 
the fraud was tO be accomplished. 
. The aet of March 3, 1879, provides that the circuit court 
shall have jorisdiction of writa of error &quot;in certain specified&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Nathan H&quot;. Sharpless, for plaîntifF. , 
Walter George Smith and Francis Rawle, for defendants. 
Butler, D. J., (charging jury.) On the twenty-seventh of 
July, 1858, letters patent were issued to Blaney E. Sampson, 
re-issued in February, 1860, and, upon their expiration in 
July, 1872, they were extended for a further term of seven 
years. Of these letters patent the plaintiff, Mr. Proctor, 
became the owner by assignment, as well for the period cov- 
ered by the extension i s that for which they were originally 
issued. 
This patent, as you have leamed, îs for an improvement in 
pôle coupling for railroad cars, which is described by the in- 
ventor to consist in so applying or constructing the car pôle 
that it shall be sustained at the proper height to couple with 
the car bunter, and be self coupling at ail horizontal angles 
of presentation to which the pôle may be liable, and in so 
applying the pôle that its weight shall be sustained by the 
car, instead of bearing upon the horses, as iUustrated by the 
model here exhibited. What the inventor claims as his in- 
vention is — First, the method of applying the pôle so that it 
shall be in position to shackle when brought against the plat- 
form at any angle of presentation ; and, second, so applying 
the ^ole that it shaU be supported by the car instead of by 
the horses. The devices described are so simple, and so well 
illustrated by the model exhibited, as to require no comment 
from the court. The description and claim have been several 
times read, and the model exhibited and explained so fully, 
that I would but waste your time and our own by dwelling on 
this subject. This model, I repeat, exhibits in a form so sim- 
ple the claims of the plaintiflf that it is readily understood. 
[Taking the model in hand, the court pointed out its parts 
and explained it as foUows :] 
The first claim consists subatantially of the open jaw, 
which affords an opportunity of shackling and unshaoHing 
the pôle at any angle from the front or side, as you observe. I 
should say to you that the second claim consists substantially 
in this brace or pôle support, together with its rear connec- 
tion or support, as described in the patent. You will observa&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/438</title>
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turned over upon the paper so as to seoure the paper to the 
back, were also known, and had been made by the Terry 
Manufaeturing Company in 1854. The plaintifï's invention 
consisted in the combination of a paper dial, a back, — preter- 
ably of zinc, — and a metallic cap or frame or scalp, which 
Tinited the back and the dial. The function of the cap or 
frame or scalp, as correctly described by the plaintiiï's expert, 
was &quot;to cover the edge of the dial by the inner edge of said 
frame, and hold the dial firmly against the back, so that its 
edge will not warp up or become displaced, while the outer 
edge of said frame is turned over and embraces the edge of 
the back, while the body of the scalp serves to unite these 
two edges, which I have described, and thereby the three 
parts, to-wit, the dial, the back, and the frame, are ail held 
together, and constitute, as a whole, a clock dial.&quot; The 
patentee, after referring to the drawings, which show the 
form of the frame and of back, which will be described here- 
after, says, in the re-issued specification, that the back may 
be made entirely flat, if desired. The dial may be made of 
the same diameter as the back, and the frame made plain 
and turned over the edges of the dial and the back, thus com- 
pressing them thoroughly together. When it is desired to 
make a moulding frame and back, the edge of the back is 
made nearly the shape of the frame. The dial B is made of 
Buch diameter as to just fill in between the raised portion 
from the flat surface of the back A. The frame or scalp G ia 
placed over the dial B, and the edge D turned over the edge 
of the back A, and pressed together, thus firmly compressing 
the edge of the dial between the inner edge of the frame C 
and back A. The claims of the re-issued patent were as 
follows : 
First. The combination of a metallic scalp, with a clock 
dial, substantially as and for the purpose described. 
Second. The combination of a metallic scalp and zino back, 
with a paper dial, substantially as and for the purpose shown. 
Third. The combination of a zinc back, with a paper dial, 
substantially as and for the purpose set forth. 
Fourth. The combination of metallic back and paper dial,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/442</title>
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figures denoting the hours were printed, withîn the rim of the 
back, instead of having the figures painted upon the painted 
surface of the plate j and, in order to keep the paper dial in 
place, united it to the back by a metallic rim, one edge of 
which covered the edge of the dial, and the other edge was 
iumed over the outside edge of the back. The shape of the 
rim was determined by the shape of the back which might be 
desirable in any particular, style of clock, or as a matter of 
ornament. Flanges were not used, because they made a seat 
for attaching the dial to the case, but were used to conform 
to the old style of back, when that style, which had an old 
function of its own, was used. Given the two facts that a 
clock dial, with printed paper dial, a metallic back, and a 
metallic rim uniting the back and the paper dial, was old ; and 
that a metallic back, with a lateral outside flange, through 
which screws were inserted to fasten the dial to the clock case, 
was commonly in use ; was it any material part of the inven- 
tion to make the rimto correspond generally with the old pat- 
tern of the Back ? I am of opinion that it was not ; but that the 
shape of the rim was a matter merely of mechanical c&amp;nveni- 
ence. The inside lateral flange bas the same offices which are 
performed by any edge of the rim, and the form is in the one 
which would be naturally adopted upon a sunken dial plate. 
The bill should be diemissed. 
Hamilton V. KiNGSBtTBT and another. 
{CHrcuit Court, N. D. New York. , 1880.) 
1. Patent— AssiQNM EUT — Notice. — Held, under the circumstances of thia 
case, that there was enough in the terms &quot; right, title, and interest,&quot; 
in the assignment of a patent, to put any purchaser from the assign- 
ors, immediate or subsequent, on inquiry, and to charge him with 
notice of what such inquiry, if made of the grantor of the assignors, 
would have disclosed. 
2. Same— Notice — Estoppei.. — Held, furfher, that such grantor was not 
bound by any suppression of the truth by the said assignors, or any 
failure upon their part to disclose the exact condition of their title, so 
long as they assumed to convey only their &quot; right, title, and interest.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/448</title>
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owner had, by written assignment, conferred the apparent 
absolute ownership, where the purchase is made upon the 
faith of such apparent ownership, obtains a valid title as 
against the real owner, who is estopped from asserting a title 
in hostility thereto. 
Since the decision in this case on the plea to the amended 
bill, it bas been stipulated in writing by the plaintiff that 
Edmund P. Woodbury would testify that the consideration 
paid for the conveyance of April 29, 1868, from Lombard &amp; 
Thompson to Eussell, Eeese, and the firm of Strong &amp; Wood- 
bury, (consisting of Henry A. Strong and Edmund F. Wood- 
bury,) was the sum of $4,000, in property and cash; and that 
the defendants respeetively would testify that they paid on the 
execution and delivery of the conveyance from Strong &amp; Wood- 
bury, of December 10, 1869, to them, the sum of $1,000 in 
cash ; and that such stipulation be filed and made a part of 
the record, on the application for a rehearing, with the same 
effect as though such tëstimony had been regularly put in by 
the defendants originally. 
In the proofs, Edmund T. Woodbury testified that he nego- 
tiated with Lombard the purchase covered by the conveyance 
of April 29, 1868; that he never heard until the spring of 
1877 of the two unrecorded instruments of August 27, 1S66; 
and that the only agreement between Hamilton and Lom- 
bard &amp; Thompson, of which he had any information, prior to 
1877, was the reoorded conveyance of August 27, 1866. 
The conveyance of April 29, 1868, from Lombard &amp; Thomp- 
son to Eussell, Eeese, and Strong &amp; Woodbury, recites that 
&quot;whereas, by virtue of assignment from Milton A. Hamilton, 
dated August 27, 1866, the right for the state of New York 
was vested in us, Clinton A. Lombard and John Thompson;&quot; 
and then it conveys ail their &quot;right, title, and interest&quot; in the 
invention, as secured to them by the patent, for, to, and in 
the state of New York. The conveyance of July, 1868, from 
Eeese to Eussell and Strong &amp; Woodbury, recites that &quot;by 
virtue of assignment dated August 27, 1866, the right for the 
state of New York was vested in Clinton A. Lombard and 
John Thompson;&quot; and that by virtue of the assigkmient from&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Bbnediot, D. J. This is an action for an account, and an 
injunction to restrain the defendant from making a certain 
form of dise nsed for valve seats in steam joints, upon the 
ground that such manufacture infringes a patent issued to 
Nathaniel Jenkins, August 3, 18G9, known as re-issue No. 
8,579, and now owned by the plaintiiï. 
Varions issues are raised by the pleadings, of which it will 
be neeessary on this occasion only to consider the one relat- 
ing to the infringement. 
The character of the article complained of is not in dis- 
pute. It consists of dises intended to be used as valve seats 
for steam joints, composed of bone black, mixed with gutta 
percha and India rubber, made vulcanizable by an adœixture 
of sulphur, and then vulcaniaed; the proportions of the 
compound being either Para rubber, 10 Ibs. ; gutta percha, 5 
Ibs.; sulphur, 4J Ibs.; bone black, 22| Ibs. Or, Para rub- 
ber, 14 Ibs. ; ^utta percha, 7 Ibs. ; sulphur, 6 Ibs. ; bone black, 
28 Ibs. 
The main question of the case, as I view it, is whether 
Buch an article is covered by the Jenkins patent. 
The Jenkins patent was construed by this court on a 
former occasion, (16 Blatchf. C. G. B. 495,) and no reason 
is seen for any modification of the opinion then expressed, 
that it is not possible, in view of the language of the specifi- 
cations, to uphold the plaintiff's contention that the Jen- 
kins patent is for a packing composed of four-tenths of refrac- 
tory material, vulcanized, no matter what the vulcanized 
material may be, if it contained rubber; and that the patent 
must be considered to be limited to a compound consisting 
of at least four-tenths of refractory, earthy, or stony matter, 
mixed with rubber prepared for vulcanization by using less 
than 25 per cent, of sulphur and then vulcanized, whence 
results a material composed of 40 per cent, and over of re- 
fractory matter held togetber by a skeleton of soft rubber. 
So understanding the patent, I am at loss to discover any 
ground upon which to base the conclusion that the patent is 
infringed by a packing which consists of refractory matter 
lield together by a skeleton of vulcanite.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/462</title>
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both oylinders as required. By this means the ordinary work 
of the elevator can be accomplished by one of the cylinders, 
and when an extraordinary pressure is required both cylindera 
can be employed, thus providing an elevator that will anawer 
in any place and do its work -with great economy of water.&quot; 
The claims of this patent are two, as follows: &quot;First, the 
upright cylinders, A A, with their piston, C C, each of said 
pistons being provided with an upright and rack bar, d, in 
combination with the shaft, I, with its epur-wheels, y j and 
Z, shaft, l, with its pinion, m, and driving puUy, N, whereby 
I am enabled to employ the pressure in either one or both 
cylinders for hoisting purposes, substantially as and for the 
purpose above descïibed; second, the upright rack bars, d, 
provided with the rib in combination with the guide spools, h, 
substantially as and for the purpose above described.&quot; 
The answer of the defendant admits that he bas made and 
sold hydràulic elevators construeted according to the descrip- 
tion in said patent No. 172,896. According to the testimony 
of defendant's expert, Mr. Eliot, patent No. 172,896 describes 
an arrangement of two working cylinders provided with suit- 
able pistons, one of the cylinders and pistons being placed 
inside of the other in such a manner as to economize room, 
and at the same time allow both of the pistons to be com- 
bined with a cross-head, which carries sheaves over which the 
lifting ropes of the elevator work; the combination and 
arrangement being such that one of the pistons, with its cor- 
responding cylinder, can be brought into immediate action 
to assist the lifting force of the other at the pleasure of the 
operator or attendant of the elevator. The same expert statea 
that the peculiar means by which such a resuit is accom- 
plished consists in making the main working piston in the 
form of a cylinder, and connecting its upper end immedi- 
ately with the cross-head that carries the sheaves, and also 
in Connecting with the said cross-head a piston which worka 
in an interior cylinder placed coneentric with the outer work- 
ing piston, and connecting with them a valve in such a man- 
ner that when the water pressure is brought to bear upon the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/472</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&amp; Schoenfeld have no interos'u; that bis commission îs de- 
pendent on the sales; that he hasmade the sales for the pur- 
pose of receiving the commission; and that he obtains the 
commission by making the sales. This is a distinct profit 
from any profits made by Loeb &amp; Schoenfeld. The commis- 
sion to this defendant would not be included in any profits 
to be accounted for by Loeb &amp; Schoenfeld, and such commis- 
sion is a direct profit to this defendant from the sale of the 
goods. Moreover, this defendant, although selling only under 
the circumstances set forth, is liable to be restrained in thig 
court, by an injunction, from selling the infringing goods, 
and this suit is properly brought against him for that pur- 
poov,. Thi3 court has obtained jurisdiction over his person. 
The plainiiff has a right to restrain the defendant, by injunc- 
tion, from participating, in the way set forth, in such sales, 
although a bill will also lie against Loeb &amp; Schoenfeld to 
restrain them from participating, in the way they do, in the 
eame sales. Maliby v. Boto, 14 Blatchf. 63. 
As to the second branch of the plea, or the second plea, 
it follows, from the foregoing observations, that the peudency 
of the suit in Pennsylvania against Loeb &amp; Schoenfeld is no 
bar to this suit. This defendant is not a defendant in that 
suit, and no injunction therein could be issued against him 
by name; and, although an injunction therein against the 
defendants therein might reach them for the acts of this 
defendant as an employe of theirs, yet, although he is an 
employe of theirs, in one sense, in what he does, he is inde- 
pcndent of them in the profit he makea by his commission 
on sales, although he may receive his commission through 
them out of the sale price, and it is proper that the plain- 
tiff shonld bave an independant injunction against him in 
this suit. Again, as beforo said, the bill in Pensylvania 
would not make the defendants therein account for the com- 
mission received by this defendant. This, therefore, is not 
the case of another suit pending between the same parties in 
another jurisdiction for the same subject-matter. 
The plea is overruled, with costs, and the defendant will be 
assigned to answer the bill.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/474</title>
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opinion and inferest among the owners in relation to the 
employment and management&quot; of the tug alleged in the libel, 
and praying the court to prouounce against the libel. 
In the answer it is alleged &quot;that said tug now is, and has 
been during the season of navigation of 1875, engaged in her 
usual employment in and about the port of Erie, &quot; etc. Again, 
it is alleged &quot;that the said tug is now, and has been during 
the entire season of navigation, employed and run for the 
joint interest and profit of the owners,&quot; etc. 
From the evidence now before the court it appears that 
the marshal did not arrest or take possession of the tug by 
virtue of said process. He was instructed by the libellant's 
proctors not to arrest her, but simply to serve a copy of tha 
writ upon Christian &amp; Carse, and these instructions he obeyed. 
At the time the libel was filed the tug was in the possession 
of Christian, and she rema,ined in his possession as fully after 
the service of the writ &amp;b, before; and down until May 12, 
1877, the tug was run by Christian in and about the harbor 
of Erie, and upon the lake, in her ordinary business. Dur- 
ing ail this time no further step was taken in this suit. 
On the night of May 12, 1877, the libellant, Brennan, hav- 
ing obtained possession of the tug, ran her out of the harbor 
of Erie and took her to Bulïalo, New York; and there, on 
May 14, 1877, filed a libel in rem, in the United States district 
court for the northern district of New York, for the sale of the 
vessel and distribution of the proceeds among the owners. 
Thereupon process issued and the boat was seized by the 
marshal of said last-named district. No answer having been 
interposed, an interlocutory decree in that suit was entered, 
and a final decree for the sale of the tug was made on July 
25, 1877. Subsequently, E. F. Christian moved that court 
for an order opening his default and permitting him to defend 
the action, and vacating the decree and subsequent proceed- 
ings, and for an order dismissing the suit, on the ground that, 
in consequence of a prior action pending, the court had no 
jurisdiction in the premises. 
The exemplification of the record of the United Statea dis-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/476</title>
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movable personal property; capable of actual manucaption. 
Unless taken into actual possession by an officer of the court, 
it might be eloigned before a deoree of condemnation could be 
made, and thus the decreei would be ineffectuai. It might 
corne into the possession of another court, and thus there 
might arise a conflict of jurisdiction and decision if actual 
seizure and retention of possession were not necessary to con- 
fer jurisdiction over the subject.&quot; 
In the present case it is certain that there was no actual 
seizure of the tug by the marshal under the original process 
issued out of this court. Acting in accordance with the express 
instructions of the libellant the marshal did not seize the tug, 
but, with the acquiesence of ail the parties in interest, she 
remained in the possession of Christian. Of this, I may 
here say, noue of the owners, under the circumstances of the 
case, bave any right to complain. 
But it is said that the marshal's retum shows an attach- 
ment of the vessel. I do not think so. True, the language 
of the retum is, &quot;attached the steam-tug Anna P. Dorr.&quot; But 
how? &quot;By serving a copy of this writ personally on John 
Carse, part owner pf same, and by serving, November 5, 
1875, a copy of this writ at residence of Captain E. F. Chris- 
tian on wife.&quot; But such service of the writ was not an 
attachment or seizure of the vessel. 
The return, as a whole, does not import any seizure of the 
tug, and it is entirely consistent with the facts as they appear 
aliunde. 
It foUows, from what bas been said, that the order allow- 
ing the alias attachment in this case was errùneously made. 
Certainly that order would not have been made had the court 
been fully advised as to the facts, or had the proceedings in 
the United States district court for the northern district of 
New York been brought to its attention. 
And now, November 17, 1880, the aHas attachment is set 
aside; and it is ordered that the marshal deliver the said 
steam-tug Anna P. Dorr to L. B. Tortier; and it is further 
ordered and decreed that E. F. Christian and John Carse&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/482</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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dered as to cause vessels, in situatioas in which it was expe- 
dient that they should q[uickly accept assistance of the char- 
acter rendered in this case, to hesitate or decline to reçoive 
it because of its ruinons cost. Endeavoring to keep clear of 
both the difficulties above indicated, and intending to practi- 
cally apply the rules of the maritime law and the epirit of 
the precedents in our own courts of admiralty to which my 
attention has been called, I have concluded in this case to 
award to the salvors the sum of $2,500. 
With regard to the costs, although the claim of $40,000 
made by the libellants was extravagant, and may have oper- 
ated oppressively upon the respondents, yet, under ail the 
circumstances of this case, and as it is not shown that any 
tender or offer of any definite sum was ever made to the libel- 
lants, I am not inclined to vary the usual rule. 
Note. See P. P. M. e W. Oo. v. The SUam-boat E. G. Teager, 1 Fbd. 
Bep. 285; Mayo v. Clark, Id. 738; Conoin T. The Barge Jonatium Chase, 2 
FED. Rbp. 268.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/484</title>
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Havana about the same distance. In any of those ports the 
engines could have been repaired. Anchorage could bave 
been found at Watling's island, 248 miles distant, and at 
Little Bird rock, 326 miles distant. The Colon could have 
made any of those ports under sail. Aside from the brealdng 
of her machinery, she was entirely stout, staunch, and sea- 
worthy. About half an hour after the accident, the Colon 
was got under ail sail, and her master attempted to wear; 
but, her propeller not being disconnected, he was unable to 
do so, and she made headway to the southward about a knot 
and a half an hour, and drifted to the eastward at about the 
same rate. The prevailing winds at that season of the year, 
and in the vicinity where she was, were more favorable for 
her to proceed to New York, or to some northern port, than 
to a West India port. It would probably have taken her four- 
teen days to reach New York under sail alone. 
The master of the Colon was exceptionably competent, and 
had had a wide experience in steam-vessels. For 27 yeara 
he had navigated that part of the ocean through which the 
Colon's route lay. He had frequently tested the ability of 
the Colon to make headway under sail, and had found she 
•was entirely manageable with the wind on her beam or abaft 
the beam. These tests were made while the screw was con- 
nected with the shaft. The screw of the Colon was attaehed 
to the shaft in such a manner that it could be disconnected 
in less than two hours, and, when disconnected, it would 
revolve freely and would not interfere with the steering of 
the vessel. With the screw disconnected the vessel could sail 
within six points of the wind. At the time of the accident 
the weather was pleasant and the sea smooth, and the wind 
light from west-south-west. The part of the ocean where the 
Colon lay disabled was much frequented by both steam and 
sail vessels. Steamers running to and fro between New 
York and Aspinwall passed in the immediate vicinity. So 
did steamers from the Spanish main, bound to Cadiz and ports 
in Spain and France. So did sailing vessels bound to and 
from New Orleans, Mobile, and Havana. The Colon had fresh&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/488</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and assist vessels in ail situations. Certain consignees of 
cargo on the Etna, whose goods had been damaged by the 
detention, filed petitions and became co-libellants. The dis- 
trict court decreed that they should recover the damages sus- 
tained by them, and that the Colon should pay the same in 
addition to the award of $10,000. The damages of these 
co-libellants were assessed, and, with the costs awarded to 
them, amounted to |2,200.28, and that sum has been paid by 
the owners of the Colon. A reasonable allowance to the. Etna 
for damage to her hawser is $75 ; for repairs to her deck and 
engine, $300; and for extra coal used, $125. The wear and 
tear of the engine of the Etna depended on the pressure of 
steam carried and the number of revolutions made. The 
cargo of the Colon was shipped under bills of lading which 
exempted her from liability arising from disasters or dangers 
of steam navigation. The damage to her engine resulted 
from a latent defect in the crank-shaft, which could not have 
been discovered by examination prior to the breakage. None 
of the officers or crew of the Etna left their vessel at any time 
to render assistance to the Colon. None of the passengers or 
property on board of the Colon were transferred to the Etna. 
The towing voyage to New York was without danger or anxiety. 
The Colon was equipped with eight sail-boats, large enough 
for ocean service, which could bave been sent, if necessary, to 
intercept steam vessels or to some port. The engineer's log 
of the Etna shows that there are entries in it as follows: 
&quot;August 21st. Forward crank-pin and thrust heating.&quot; &quot;Au- 
gust 22d. Still running water on the bearings.&quot; &quot;August 
28th, Bearings hard to keep cool.&quot; It was found that these 
entries were made nearly two years after the service was 
rendered and during the progress of the trial in the district 
court. The libellants endeavored, on the trial in the district 
court, to prove that they had sustained a loss of $2,300 in 
freight on account of the detention of the Etna. This claim 
was abandoned after considerable testimony in regard to it 
had been taken. The libellants put forth on the trial in the 
district court exaggerated daims as to items of damage and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/490</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Complaint is made that the ship's company receive $750 
more than the owners ûf the Etna ; that the ship's company 
were in the employ of suoh owners and paid by it, and did 
little work as compared with the Etna, and little increased 
work; and that the substantial service was rendered by the 
steamer, and not by individual exertions. It is also said that 
the meager character of the award to the vessel wi'U prevent 
owners of vessels from rendering salvage service; that the 
employes of the vessel are allowed to use the produot of the 
investment of the capital of the ship-owner to benefit them- 
Belves; that if the deoree below is allowed to stand as fixing 
a just measure of compensation to the ship-owner, ship- 
owners will instruct their masters to no longer attempt to 
save property in peril at sea ; and that, in consequence of the 
decision below, this has already been done by one of the 
steam-ship lines from the port of New York. These are not 
commendable suggestions, and it is not to be supposed that 
other ship-owners will follow the example set in this case of 
making such unfounded and exaggerated claims as are made 
in the libel, culmiïiating in a demand for $150,000. If, on 
the real facts of this case as they appeared to the district 
court, and as they appear to this court, the consequences 
intimated shall be arranged for by those who threaten them, 
they wiU undoubtedly hesitate to carry them out, if from no 
other motive, from that of self-interest, lest they themselves 
may at some time be in the peril with their property to which 
they propose to abandon the property of others. The consid- 
erations suggested are of no force except to injure those who 
procure their advocates in court to put them forth, and ean 
meet with no favor from disinterested and impartial persons. 
It is, undoubtedly, the polioy of the law, and it will be the 
aim of the court, to give a proper salvage remuneration to 
powerful and well-equipped steamers which render service in 
saving property that is in peril at sea. But the true charac- 
ter of the individual service must, under the circumstances of 
each particular case, be looked at. In the present case, the 
acts of the master of the Etna at the time ahow most dis-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ita precise words, — and upon all articles not free and not sub- 
ject to any other rate of duty, a duty of 15 per cent, ad 
valorem. It omitted &quot;tin plates&quot; from the free list where 
they had heretofore been, and made no specifie provision for 
them. 
The act of May 22, 1824, (4 Gen. St. 26,) increased the 
duty &quot;in all manufactures, not otherwise specified, made of 
brass, iron, steel, pewter, lead, or tin, or of which either of 
these metals is a component material,&quot; from 20 to 25 per 
cent, ad valorem, but did not mention &quot;tin plates.&quot; But the 
act of 1832, July 14th, (4 Gen. St. 588,) re-enacts this pro- 
vision of the act of 1824 — to-wit, &quot;on all manufactures, not 
otherwise specified, made of brass, iron, steel, pewter, or tin, 
or of which either of these metals is a component material&quot; — 
in exactly the same words, making the duty 40 per cent, ad 
valorem instead of 25 ; and it ia manifest that this provision 
does not include &quot;tin plates,&quot; because they are by the same 
act again made free. See section 3, p. 590, 4 U. S. St. 
The act of March 2, 1833, (4 Gen. St. 629,) is instructive 
in the point now under consideration. It provided (section 1) 
for a reduction of duties in all foreign imports, where the 
duty exceeded 20 per cent, on the value thereof. 
Manufactures of brass, iron, steel, pewter, and tin, which 
then paid 40 per cent, ad valorem, were included in this pro- 
vision. The reduction was to be the excess of the duty above 
20 per cent., or in other words to 20 per cent. One-tenth of 
this deduction was to be made on and after Deceraber 31, 
1833; one-tenth on and after Deeember 31, 1835; one-tenth 
on and after Deeember 31, 1837; one-tenth on and after 
Deeember 31, 1839 ; and on the thirty-first day of Deeember, 
1841, one-half the residue of 'such excess, and on the thirtieth 
day of June, 1842, the other half, was to be deducted. This 
left a duty of 20 per centum on the manufactures of brass, 
iron, steel, pewter, and tin on and after the thirtieth day of 
June, 1842. 
&quot;Tin plates,&quot; at the passage of this act of March 2, 1833^ 
were in the free list, (not included in the manufactures of 
iron and tin,) and by the fourth section of the act (4 St. 630)&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/526</title>
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who sold it to Eliza Bryant on the eighth of August, 1876. 
These sales, it is admitted, were without consideration, and 
the last grantee held the property subjeot to the rights of 
crediter s. A few days after the property was sold to Eliza 
Bryant, this plaintif recovered a judgment in this court 
against the Julians, upon which there is a balance still 
unpaid. In September, 1876, the Julians were adjudged 
bankrupts. 
After ail this had taken place, Jesse Cate loaned $1,000 to 
J, B. Julian, and in order to secure it he caused Eliza Bry- 
ant to transfer this property to Cate, and Cate made an 
agreement to reconvey it to Eliza Bryant upon the payment 
of the loan. Cate had no notice that Eliza Bryant held the 
property without a consideration. He therefore was a bona 
fiàe mortgagee of the property. It was conveyed to him by 
an absolute deed. 
After this had occurred, the assignee brought suit in this 
court'against Cate and the Messrs. Julian and Mrs. Bryant, 
to have the claim of Cate to the property set aside; or, if 
that could not be done, to have a judgment entered against 
the Julians for the value of the property; and the court held 
that Cate was an innocent purchaser, or grantee, and was 
entitled to pi'otection ; and that the Julians and Mrs. Bryant 
were liable for a certain amount, on which the court decided 
judgment should be entered against them; although judg- 
ment was not, in fact, then rendered, the court only giving 
an opinion on the points in controversy. 
Subaequently, J. B. Julian made a proposition to the 
assignee to this effect : that no judgment should be entered 
in this court in the suit, and that he would procure for the 
assignee a good title to the property still held by Cate, to 
which proposition the assignee assented, providing it would 
meet the approval of the court, and that approval was given. 
Thereupon J. B. Julian caused a deed to be made by Martha 
Julian, of lands which she owned in Jasper connty, to Cate, 
as security for the debt due to him in place of the land which 
he held by grant from Mrs. Bryant. That being done, Cate 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/530</title>
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interesi and derive none from their irregular transaetîonff,— 
the moneys advanced or paid, on the one side or on the 
other, are not properly chargeable to the institutions which 
the dishonest ofScials represent. Expert accouîitants have 
been employed by both parties. It is to be lamented that 
the expert for the assignee died before the court could derive 
any benefit from his investigation of the transaction in con- 
troversy. 
On the other hand, the expert of the bank has testified so 
fully, and given such plausible reasons for his opinions, that 
the claimants seem quite disposed to rest their claim upon 
his testimony alone. 
On the argument the learned counsel for the assignee in- 
sisted — 
1. That by the provisions of section 5081 of the bankrupt 
act the whole claim should be rejected. 
The reason assigned was that the proof of claim, as origi- 
nally filed, contained items which the claimants subsequently 
acknowledged were a mistake, and the section provides that 
the court &quot;shall rejeet ail claims not duly proved, or where 
the proof shows the claim to be grounded in fraud, illegality, 
or mistake.&quot; The phraseology of the section is strong, and 
doubtless authorizes the court to rejeet the claim on any of 
the grounds stated. But I have always, in practice, con- 
strued the clause to mean that, in the absence of fraud, it 
was competent for the court to correct any mere mistake, and 
to allow the proof to stand for any sum that, upon examina- 
tion, was found to be actually due. 
It was further insisted by him — 
2. Ttat, in the absence of proof to the contrary, the pay- 
ment of checks by a bank was always presumptive that the 
drawer had funds deposited for their payment. 
This proposition will hardly be controverted. It la well 
settled that the mere paying and holding a eheck is no evi- 
dence of a loan of money by the drawee to the drawer, because 
the legal presumption is that auch payment is only a return 
of funds which had been before deposited by the drawer. 
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the assent of the requisite proportion of the creditors ^vho 
have proved their debts, to whom he is liable as principal 
debtor. One Tliayer bas proved a debt for upwards of |30,- 
000. This creditor bas not assented, and, if bis claim is to 
be considered in the computation of the requisite one-third in 
value, this point is well taken, The question is whether the 
bankrupt is liable aa principal debtor upon this claim. Thayer's 
proof of debt is upon a bond for the sum of $60,000, executed 
by the bankrupt, June 15, 1877, to one Hill, as receiver, ap- 
pointed by the court in an action against John A. Duff and 
others. Thayer proves as assignee of the bond. The con- 
dition of the bond is the payment of the sum of $30,000 
to the receiver, or his assigns, June 15, 1882, with interest 
semi-annually, &quot;according to the condition of a bond made 
by John A. Duff and Eufus G. Duff, jointly and severally, to 
Baid receiver, bearing even date herewith, to which bond this 
is collateral.&quot; I think enough appears on the face of this 
bond to show that this obligation was incurred by the bank- 
rupt not on his own aceount, but as surety for John A. Duff, 
and, therefore, that he cannot be regarded as having become 
indebted thereon as principal debtor. The construction of 
this phrase, &quot;principal debtor,&quot; was carefully considered by 
this court in In re Loder, 4 N. B. E. 190. It was there held 
that an obligation as indorser, after the liability bas become 
fixed by non-payment and notice, is not an obligation as 
&quot;principal debtor,&quot; if the indorsement was for the accom- 
modation of the maker of the note. I think the present case 
is within that decision. It is argued, however, that on this 
bond itself the bankrupt was the principal obliger, — indeed, the 
only obliger, — and not in the position of an indorser. who is on 
the face of the contract not the principal obligor. I think, 
however, that the distinction in the statute referred not to the 
form of the obligation so much as to the real relation of the 
bankrupt to the debt itself. Greater indulgence was intended 
to be extended to bankrupts in respect to obligations incurred 
on behalf of others than in respect to those incurred on their 
own aceount ; and it seems to me to be immaterial whether 
the bankrupt joins in the bond of the principal debtor as a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/544</title>
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whetlier I took up one of Exhibit A, (theEast ludia wrapper,) 
or sent them one whea I made the change ; that is, wiiether 
I took up a package like Exhibit A, or took up a label or sent 
them one.&quot; 
It is clearly proved that in the latter part of 1876 the 
Waterbury Printing Company made for the defendant as near 
an imitation of the plaintiff's wrapper and label as was possi- 
ble, with the necessary alteration of names, and that the 
Dixon trade-mark was fumished by some one to the printing 
Company for that purpose. Indeed, it is manifest from a 
comparison of the two wrappers that one was copied from 
the other. There is not so close a resemblance between the 
&quot;East India&quot; and the Dixon wrapper as there is between the 
latter and the wrapper of the, New England Lead Works. 
The &quot;directions&quot; are entirely different. But it is apparent, 
from reading the descriptions of the polish whioh are printed 
on each wrapper, that the two had but one author ; they are 
almost identical. Did Dixon copy from Benham, or did 
Benham copy from Dixon ? It is sufficiently established that 
Dixon commenced the use of his wrapper as early as in 1848. 
Benham does not claim to have commenced until 1853. I 
have no doubt that the mind and the hand which prepared 
the Benham wrapper for the press in 1853 used the Dixon 
wrapper as a pattern, and that there was a conscious attempt 
to imitate the form in whioh the successful article had been 
presented to the public. It did not appear that the plaintiff 
was chargeable with laches af ter it discovered the defendant's 
wrappers and labels. 
Let there be a decree for an injunction against the use or 
imitation, colorable or otherwise, of the plaintiff's wrappers, 
labels, or trade-mark, and for au accounting.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/552</title>
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T. L. Livermore, for complainants. 
B, F. Thunton, for defendants. 
LowELL, C. J. As I construe the patent, it îs for an îm- 
provement in the manufacture of that class of whips which 
are turned in a lathe, and the whip-stock claimed isthe stock 
just before it goes into the lathe, or an improvement in the 
manufacture at that part of its progress. This last point is 
very important, because one Herrick is proved, without con- 
tradiction, to have made whip-stocks, with a wooden plug or 
backing, before 1870. Herrick did not finish his whip-stocks 
in a lathe, though they were fit for that mode of operation, 
and, if the second claim of the re-issue is for a turned whip- 
Btock, it might, perhaps, be sustained. But the claim itself 
declares that the arrangement is &quot;in order that the butt of 
the stock may be held and finished by a turning machine,&quot; 
and a statement precisely like this is made in an earlier part 
of the specification. That claim must, therefore, be held to 
have been anticipated by Herrick, and to be void. 
The invention mentioned in the first claim was made in 
1865, and was not, in my opinion, in public use or on sale 
more than two years before March 9, 1871, by reason of the 
manufacture at Charlestown; not on sale, because neither 
the invention, nor anything which embodies or would be 
likely to suggest it, is found in the completed whip; and not 
in public use, because the invention was tested in the only 
way in which it could fairly be tested, by making a few at 
the factory where the patentee was employed. 
The law since 1870, as I understand it, has avoided a pat- 
ent, if any one has publicly used or has sold the same inven- 
tion, by whomsoever diseovered, for more than two years before 
the patent was applied for. The Herrick whip was certainly 
made before 1870, but I do not think it is proved to have 
been made before March 9, 1869. The precise date isleft in 
much doubt. 
I do not find that this invention was anticipated. Spencer's 
evidence as to certain kinds of whips, of which hegives repro- 
ductions, is seriously contradicted by workmen referred to by 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/572</title>
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considered as competent to give. To authorize the institu- 
tion of a suit in personam on a contract, witii a judgment for 
money, and to add to it what the state statuts in this case 
has added, is not to add a common-Iaw remedy as respects 
the proceeding to enforce the lien on the chattel. It is not 
like a judgment for money, and an execution thereon, under 
which the interest of the defendant in the vessel might be 
seized and sold. It is a proceeding based on a prior lien on 
the vessel to enforce that lien by a sale of the vessel. The 
lien set up in the complaint in the suit in the state court is 
a lien claimed to have arisen from the employaient of the 
plaintiff by the owner of the vessel to repair her, the delivery 
of the vessel by her owner to the plaintiff for the purpose of 
repairing her, the making of the repairs, and the continued 
possession of the vessel by the plaintiff thereafter up to the 
bringing of the suit. No lien by any state statute is alleged, 
nor any maritime lien, nor is anything alleged as to whether 
the home port of the vessel was in the state of New York, 
where the repairs were made. 
The findings of fact by the court show that the lien foreclosed 
was held to be solely the lien so set up in the complaint. The 
case, therefore, is one of a maritime contract, followed by 
what is claimed to be a possessory lien, not a maritime lien, 
nor a lien created by statute. The aot of 1869 does not 
create any lien. It refers to existing liens, and it may be 
donbted whether it is not limited to liens which in their na- 
ture are capable of being enforced and foreclosed by a sale 
of the chattel by the person holding the lien, and whether it 
gives to any lien any attribute which it does not otherwise 
possess. At common law, a lien arising out of a locatio operis 
faciendi, or a hire of labor and services, euch as the one in 
the present case, is merely a right to retain the thing bailed 
until the compensation for the labor and service is paid. But 
the lien is one strictly personal to the person contracting to 
do the work or services, and the thing bailed cannot be sold 
or parted with by him. Story on Bailments, § 440; Cross 
on Lien, 47-73; Jones on Bailments, 90. 
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ground of fraud. If it was an innocent mistake, then it is 
unjust and unconscionable for him to insist on the benefit of 
it. Moreover, the correspondence between the parties shows 
clearly that the defendants admitted the libellants' right to a. 
re-adjustment of the amount of the freight if their claim was 
sustained that the freight measurement in faet exceeded that 
which was made the basis of the alleged subsequent agree- 
ment. 
In their letter of April 4, 1874, after stating the return of 
the freight measurement reeeived from California, the libel- 
lants say: &quot;We would call your attention to the latter, (i. e,, 
the freight measurement,) and think we ought to be paid on 
the difference as per charter-party, namely, 2,948 feet.&quot; In 
reply the defendants, on the eighteenth of April, wrote: 
&quot;Your favor showing the amount of oak delivered at the Mare 
island navy is at hand. I have been from home, or it would 
bave sooner had attention. I hope to receive an explanation 
soon showing the difference of measures, and as soon as we 
do, will eaU on you to adjust the account.&quot; Mr. Bigler bas 
testified that, in using the words &quot;will call on you to adjust 
the account,&quot;'he referred only to the account of interest 
which, under the alleged subsequent agreement, was required 
to be made. It is impossible to believe that this is so. The 
perfectly obvions meaning of the letter is otherwise. That 
which the letter, to which this is a reply, alone asks to have 
adjusted, is a difference in the amount of freight. 
The reply, without objeeting to the justice of the demand, 
if the alleged fact on which it is based is true, asks time to 
ascertain if the fact of excess of actual cargo over bill of lad- 
ing is correctly stated, and promises to call and adjust the ac- 
count on ascertaining how the alleged fact is. There was no 
possible occasion for time to inquire as to the actual p^mount of 
the cargo, if ail that the defendants intended to adjust was 
the interest under the agreement ; and as matter of construc- 
tion their letter mùst be held to be a written admission that 
the existing contract between the parties in respect to the 
amount of freight was the charter-party and that alone. The 
rule excluding paroi evidence to vary a written agi-eenient&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/592</title>
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On January 1, 1875, the plaintiff was duly incorporated 
tinder the laws of Oregon, and on May 31st of the same year 
had constructed said road, and thereby become entitled under 
Baid grant to 95,345.12 acres of said public lands, and had 
received a patent from the United States for 35,553.59 acres 
thereof, and was entitled to a patent for the remaining 
60,791.53 acres as soon as it was conveyed. 
On the same date an agreement was made between the 
plaintiff, sundry persons who were the stockholders of said 
corporation, and John Miller for the sale and assignment to 
the latter of ail the stock thereof, and the sale and convey- 
ance of the land and road aforesaid, whether patented or 
unpatented, less 7,939.9e acres theretofore sold to settlers 
thereon, for the consideration of one dollar per acre, to be 
paid as and when the same was duly asaigned and conveyed 
as therein provided; and on the same day said stockholders 
duly transferred the stock of said corporation to T. B, 
Benchly, in trust for said Miller, as by said agreement was 
provided, and the plaintiff duly delivered to him the posses- 
sion of said road, and conveyed to him the lands for which it 
had then received a patent, less 6,539.94 acres thereof already 
sold to settlers thereon, and received therefor from said Mil- 
ler one dollar per acre, or, in the aggregate, $29,013.63. 
Before the patents were received for the remainder of the 
lands Miller became insolvent, and was largely indebted to 
the defendant and Leland Stanford, G. P. Huntington, and 
Mark Hopkins for money received of them and not accounted 
for. 
On account of this indebtedness, Miller, on June 21, 1875, 
conveyed the lands theretofore conveyed to him by the plain- 
tiff to the defendant and his associates aforesaid, and on 
August 18th of the same year, jointly with his wife, and in 
his true name, A. K. Wowiroof, again conveyed the same 
premises to said defendant and associates ; and in like man- 
ner, and for the same purpose, conveyed to the same parties 
the said road; and on July 1, 1875, duly assigned said agree- 
ment of May 31, 1875, for the sale and purchase of said cor- 
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t. Samb-— Lbasbhou)»— Whethbr Chattels ob Rhaï. J^tate.— In Ten- 
nessee, leaseholds are by statuts to be treated, for the purposes of levy 
and sale uuder execution, as real estate, and judgments are a lien 
upon them. But, whether this ba so or net, eVen at common law, 
and as chattels, they are to be levied on and sold substantially in th« 
same manner as real estate is now levied on and sold, and the pur- 
chaser must bring ejectment to obtain possession. Beld, therefore, 
that a paper levy, accompanied by such notorious claim of title as 
the nature of the case admits, is sufflcient, and » failure to do more 
cannot be treated aa an abandonment. 
3. Bame, Subjbct— Casb ik JuDGMBNT.—'Where the marshal, having 
levied on a leasehold, and machinery constituting a cotton com- 
Jiress, placed a watohman in charge to protect it from flre, but aubse- 
quently withdrew him, and returned his writ with his levies indorsed, 
and reasops for not selling as advertised, and, without objection, the 
sheriS aftënvards, with an attachment from a state court, at the suit 
of another crediter, toôk possession, hdd, that there was no abandon- 
ment by the marshal, and the execution crediter has a better title than 
a mortgagee to whom the debtor had in the meantime conveyed the 
property. 
4. Execution— Abandonment of Levt — Estoppel.— After a sufflcient 
levy upon property of the defendant, if he procures a suspension of 
prbceedings by securing from the judge of the court a letter ûf advic» 
tp theiclerk to recall the execution, and an &quot;order&quot; from the çlerk 
to. the marshal to r.eturn it, whether the action of these offlcers be 
' legal or illegal, he Avili be estopped from claiming an abandonmeiit of 
the levy, nor can a subsequent mortgagee, with notice of the facts, set 
up, such a daim in fa vorof his title. . / 
5. Rbs JuDiCATA — Motion. — A motion for a venditioni exponas, resisted by 
affldavits to show an abandonment of the levy, is not such a trial on 
the merits aa will be res juiîmUa, of the questions involved, and doeg 
not preclude a bill to enjoin further proceedlngg. 
In Equity. 
The defendant Daniel, in January, 1878, leased from on« 
Mitchell and from one Lea, for a period of six years, two 
parcels of land in Memphis, on Washington and High streets, 
npon whioh he erected a Morse Improved Tyler cotton com- 
press, with necessary engines, boilers, machinery sheds, and 
buildings, to be used in compressing cotton baies. This press 
is of the most ponderons character, weighing many tons, and 
was fixed to the soil in the most substantial manner possible, 
with foundations let deeply into it, as it must be to be used 
at ail. The necessary engines and other machinery were also&lt;noinclude&gt;
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impaired in value by severance, and so would the leasehold. 
The value of each is enhanced by keeping them together, 
It is sometimes loosely said in the books that whatever the 
tenant can remove must be levied on and sold as personal prop- 
erty. This may be so as to mere utensils of trade, or trade 
&quot;fixtures,&quot; which are portable, and not seriously injured or ren- 
dered useless by severanoe. But not so as to structures like 
this. No doubt the press is valuable when severed, and can 
be plaeed on other land, but the mere cost of taking down 
and putting up is so great, that its value standing and ready 
for work is far greater, and it cannot be that a debtor can be 
compelled to submit to a mode of levy and sale which so 
deteriorates his property. If so, it could be severed and sold 
. on an execution for any small amount. Take the case of 
buildings built on leasehold land with a covenant for re- 
moval. Can it be said that they must be severed and sold 
by the sheriff, rather than sold all together ? It does not fol- 
low because the leasehold, or the structures upon it, are per- 
sonal property, and are sold as such, that they are to b&amp; 
treated as loose or portable chattels, or that the structures 
are to be severed to make them so. Both being chattels, it 
may, in a proper case, be sold as a whole; and, if the lease- 
hold be real estate, in the hands of the lessee, the fixtures on 
it must be real estate, as between him and his creditors, just. 
as they would be if his estate was freehold, Perhaps the- 
true theory is that the fixtures, when of a character to be real 
estate, if the owner bas a freehold in the land, are also real 
estate if he bas only a leasehold with a right of removal, and 
that it is the right of entry, severanoe, and removal which is 
levied on and sold. But the purohaser, if the leasehold can 
also be sold, buying that, bas the same right to let them 
vemain as they were, uhtil it suits his pleasure or interest to 
remove them, as the lessee or execution debtor had. And, in 
thia view, it is immaterial whether they be real estate or 
chattels, and I think the sheriff, in a case like this, whether 
he sells as real property or chattels, should sell all together. 
It is not necessary to extend thia opinion by reviewing the 
cases here cited which bave led me to this conclusion. Cases&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Cocice, Veok.E. Se-, 1 Sug. Vend. 660; 2Tidd, Pr. 1035, 1004; 
5 Bac. Ab. title, &quot;Cases,&quot; 433; Watson, Sheriff, 207. In 
Evans v. Roherts, 5 Barn &amp; Cress, 828, (S. G. 11, E. 0. L. 
701,) it is said that in the English statute of frauds the 
words &quot;lands, tenements, and hereditaments&quot; were iised to 
denote a fee-simple, and the words &quot;any interest in or con- 
cerning them,&quot; to denote a chattel interest, or any interest 
less than fee-simple. These are almost the words of section 
51 of the Tennessee Code. 
It will be found, in examining the subject, that ever since 
lands in the colonies were subjected to execution there has 
been, partienlarly in the colonial and earlier state legislation, 
a disposition to assimilate leaseholds, at least for long terms, 
to real estate. The courts Bometimes construed the words 
&quot;real estate&quot; and &quot;lands&quot; to include them, but generally it 
was beld those words did not. Many of the states have, by 
statute, made them real estate, and there is nothing novel in so 
treating them. This section of the Code, in my opinion, was 
intended especially to make leaseholds subject to the incidents 
of real estate where the statute does not otherwise particularly 
direct. The case of The People v. Westervclt, 17 Wend. 674; 
S. G. 20 Wend. 416; and Putnam v. Westcott, 19 J. K. 73; and 
the cases cited in Freeman on Executions, § 119, and other 
text writers, — show the growth of legislation and judieial 
decision in this direction of making leaseholds real estate. 
In Barr v. Graves, 11 Central Law Journal, 471, the 
supreme court of Tennessee held that a leasehold, with 
its machinery aùd fixtures for cleaning cotton, could be 
seized under attachment without going on the premises or 
taking possession of the property. It is true, the attach- 
ment was to enforce a statutory mechanic's lien, but the 
procedure would be the same, as I have endeavored to show, 
at common law, and without any lien. Indeed, our method 
of selling real estate under execution finds its archetype in 
the common-law mode of selling a leasehold under the Jieri 
fadas, elegit, and levari facias. The case cites with approval 
Kelly V. SchulUe, 12 Heisk, 218 ; Choate V. Tighe, 10 Heisk. 
621 ; and Pemberton V. King, supra. Mr. Justice Cooper was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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in Chicago to different creditors, from whîch statement it 
appeared that the firm had assets to the amount of about 
$39,000, and owed about $23,000. In the statement was 
included the amount of indebtedness in Chicago, which was 
set down at about $2,000. Upon the representations thus 
made to the New York creditors an extension was granted, 
not for the whole time demanded, but so as to relieve the par- 
ties from the necessity of meeting their paper, then about to 
fall due. 
McElwain returned to Chicago, and they eontinued their 
business until the following September, when a general assign- 
ment or sale was made by the firm of ail their stock to Henry 
F. Billings, the principal defendant in this case. In October 
of the same year two of the New York creditors came to Chi- 
cago to inquire into the condition of the firm, and the resuit 
was a petition in bankruptcy against the firm, and a deoree 
of the court finding that they were bankrupts. 
The evidence shows an inventory was taken of the stock 
of the firm in May, 1 870, amounting to $30,000, and that 
there was an inventory taken with a view of the sale to Bill- 
ings, which amounted to about $17,000. Considerable nego- 
tiations took place between Billings and McElwain before the 
trade was consummated and the assignment made. McEl- 
wain proposed that Billings should buy out Nowlin, the othor 
partner, which proposition was declined by Billings. The 
offer made by Billings, which was finally accepted, was that 
the goods should be invoiced, — recently purebased goods at 
their cost, and goods which had been on hand for some time 
at eurrent priees for goods of like qualities, and the fixtures 
at cost, — and from the amount thus asoertained a discount of 
25 per cent, should be made. The price thus obtained was 
$13,040.58, upon which basis the contract was made, and 
the property turned over to Billings, who immediately had a 
new sign made in his own name and placed over the door, 
and Nowlin &amp; McElwain were retained for a few months to 
assist in carrying on the business. One of the reasons given 
by McElwain for the sale was that the time during which they 
were to be partners had expire d, and that Billings was him-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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their insolvency, and made it for the purpose of giving a 
preference to some of their creditors, and so, as to them, it 
■was fraudulent under the bankrupt law. The true course for 
them to pursue at the time was either to go into bankruptoy 
voluntarily, or to make an assignment for the beneflt of all 
their creditors. The testimony of Nowlin is full of admis- 
sions of his knowledge of their insolvency on the first of Sep- 
tember, 1870. At the time Billings made this purchase ho 
seems to have been a man of some means. He states that 
he had no knowledge of the insolvency of the firm, nor of 
the extension that was given, and believed that their credit 
was very good; and the testimony of both Nowlin and McEl- 
wain does not show that Billings had knowledge of their con- 
dition at the time of the sale. 
The question in controversy must, therefore, depend almost 
exclusively upon the true construction of the bankrupt law, 
as applied to the f acts of the case as heretofore stated. There 
is no difficulty upon any other point than this : Had Billings 
reasonable cause to believe or had he knowledge of the inten- 
tion with which the sale was made to him ? As has been 
stated, there ean be no doubt of the intention of the vendors. 
Ail the acts preceding and subsequent to the sale show that 
intention to have been in violation of the bankrupt law. 
This was an assignment of all the debtor's property. Sec- 
tion 5130, Eev. St. U. S., re-enacting a clause contained in 
section 36 of the original bankrupt law, declares that if an 
assignment is made of a debtor's property, not in the usual 
and ordinary course of the business of the debtor, it shall be 
prima fade evidence of fraud. This firm was doing a retail 
business in Chicago at the time, and that which ordinarily 
belongs to jewelers. This, having been an assignment of the 
whole stock of the firm, must be considered not made in the 
usual and ordinary course of business, and, therefore, as well 
prima fade evidence of fraud against the vendee as the vend- 
ors. In other words, that f act of itself evidenced fraud to the 
vendee as well as the vendors. If this is correct, then the 
question which was discussed by the counsel as to the effect 
of the amendment of 1874 on the bankrupt law, requiring&lt;noinclude&gt;
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court for hîs dîscharge. He stated that the costs in the case 
had not been paid, but that he was willing to make payment 
of all the costs ; and in the petition in review to this court he 
alleges that he has paid ail' costs due. On the seventeenth 
of October, 1879, the district court refused to grant the appli- 
cation of the bankrupt for his discharge, and it is that order 
which is sought to be reviewed by the petition in this court. 
It is intimated, for there is no opinion of the district judge in 
the case, that the ground upon which the court disallowed the 
application of the bankrupt was that there had been a final 
disposition of the cause, and, therefore, it came too late. If 
this were so, it must have been because the discharge of the 
assignee from all liability was considered as a final disposition 
of the cause. But as there were no assets, and no claims 
proved against the estate, the discharge of the assignee was 
merely a formai matter, and, indeed, was unnecessary, hav- 
ing nothing to do, in one important particular, at least, with 
the final dispostion of the cause. Without expressing any 
opinion as to the regularity of the proceeding before the regis- 
ter, it would seem that it should, in some form, comie under 
the cognizance of the court. There is nothing to indicate 
that, in this record, nor to show when, if ever, the proceedings 
before the register were filed in the district court. 
I had occasion to consider an application of this klnd sev- 
eral years ago, In re Canady, 2 Biss. 75. That decision was 
made under the etatute as it then stood, which declared that 
the bankrupt, at any time after the expiration of six months 
from the adjudication in bankruptcy, and within one year of 
the same, might apply to the court for his discharge. It was 
there held that there was a certain discretion in the court, if 
proper explanations were given for the delay, to grant the 
discharge, notwithstanding the application might be made 
after one year. It would seem as though the bankrupt ought 
not to be precluded from making an application, unless he has 
had notice of something to be done which shall constitute the 
final disposition of the cause. In this case he says he 
had no notice whatever of the action of the assignee or of 
the register. We think that a bankruptcy case may be&lt;noinclude&gt;
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But why should the fact that Voetter bas been adjudged &amp; 
bankrupt prejudice Brainard? Surely, if anything is authori- 
tatively settled, it is that an assignee in bankruptcy takes the 
bankrupt's estate subjeot to wbatever equities the bankrupt 
himself was liable to. 
On the subject of set-offs the languape of the bankrupt 
law is as follows: &quot;In ail cases of mutual debts or mutual 
credits between the parties the account between them shall 
be stated, and one debt set off against the other, and the bal- 
ance only shall be allowed or paid.&quot; Section 6073, U. S. 
Eev. St. 
The term mutual credits imports something more than that 
of mutual dehts. Collyer on Part. § 1008. This bas been 
repeatedly held under the English bankrupt law, which on 
this subject is substantially the same as ours. 
In the leading case of Bose v. Hart, 8 Taunt. 449, 3 
Smith'a L. C. 293, it was held that the mutual credits within 
the meaning of the bankrupt law are credits which must, in 
their nature, terminate in debts ; and this means, net credita 
which must, ex necessitate rei, terminate in debts, but credits 
which have a natural tendenoy to terminate thus. Blumen- 
stiel's L. &amp; P. in Bank. 285. 
The case of French v. Fenn, 3 Doug. 257, in principle, is 
identical with the case in hand. There, Fenn and one Cox 
and another joined in an adventure to buy and sell pearls; 
and it was agreed that the money for the purchase should be 
advanced by Fenn, who was to receive interest from bis 
associates on bis advances made for them, and that the profit 
and loss should be equally divided between the three. Cox 
became bankrupt, and afterwards Fenn sold the pearls and 
received the money therefor. In an action by the assignees 
of Cox, to recover his share of the profits, it was held that 
Fenn was entitled to set oflf an independent debt due from 
Cox to himself. 
1 find no case arising under our bankrupt law which de- 
cides the precise question now before me; but many cases 
have carried the doctrine of set-off arising from mutual cred- 
its as far as I am asked to do here. Thus, In re Doiv, 14 B.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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bottle embrace gas or fixed air,— as, for instance, wîien soda 
water is contained, — but other forma of valve may be used 
Without destroying the advantages of tny invention. The 
valve, e, and neck of the bottle should, however, be so Bhaped, 
even when the shoulder, x, is employed, that the former will 
bô compressed in the taper portion of the neck beforeit cornes 
against the shoulder, in order to create friction sufficient to 
prevent the falling of the stopper when still liquors are con- 
tained in the bottle; as, for instance, a valve slightly conical 
on the upper end, and fitting into the neck of the bottle, 
shaped correspondingly, and without any shoulder. The oper- 
ation of my new stopper for bottles, etc., may be thus ex- 
plained : 
&quot;I may remark first, however, that the manipulation, in 
closing a bottle with my invention, is different somewhat 
when different liquors are to be bottled; that is, those which 
are bottled under pressure, such as soda-water, and those 
which are still liquors, or without gas or pressure. In ail 
instaûces, however, the stopper is formed as shown, and is 
forced into the bottle as seen at figure 2. To bottle soda- 
water and other gaseous liquids, under pressure, I take the 
bottle, thus provided with its stopper, and place it in the fiU- 
ing machine, in which the given quantity of water and gas is 
supplied to the bottle, the stopper remaining, as seen at fig- 
ure 2. I then invert the bottle while it is yet attached to the 
Bupply tube, which must for this purpose be flexible and have 
its cock arranged so as to admit of the bottle, while attached 
to the tube, being thus turned over, when the stopper falls 
into the neck of the bottle, the valve, c, resting in its seat, and 
in this position I disconnect the bottle from the filling ma- 
chine, when the pressure within the bottle retaina the valve, 
c, against its seat and keeps the bottle effectually closed. 
When it is desired to empty the bottle a slight blow or press- 
ure on top of the knob, i, will cause the stopper to descend to 
the bottom of the bottle, as seen at figure 2, and the liquid is 
poured out. The stopper being of a much greater specifie 
gravity than the liquid, and being so long, will not impede 
the flow of the liquid from the bottle if it is gradually poured&lt;noinclude&gt;
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longitude 110 west, at which time he beeame satisfied that it 
was broken. 
The Chandos arrived in the Colnmbia river on August 
lOth, and anchored in Baker's bay, where she remained 10 
days, and then proceeded to Portland, where she arrived on 
August 22d. There the libellant was sent to the marine hos- 
pital, where he remained about two months. From the evi- 
dence of the hospital physicians the bons bas united and the 
leg will in all probability be strong and sound, but it is about 
three inches short ; the knee ia also somewhat stiff, but that 
will probably paas away. 
The libellant brings this suit against the vessel and the 
master to recover $5,000 damages for the injury sulïered by 
the fall, and the subsequent inattention, alleging that the fall 
was caused by the negleot of the master in not providing a 
sufBcient crane line, and that the shortening of his leg was 
caused by neglect and the want of proper treatment after the 
fracture. 
Upon the first point I find against the libellant. From the 
evidence it plainly appears that the crane line is not pri- 
marily a foot-rope, and that it is put upon the stays to keep 
them steady, and not to walk upon, but that it is often used 
by seamen more or less as a support or rest in going from the 
top to the stop and casting it off. It also appears that this 
line, which is usually on this vessel a fifteen-thread ratline, 
is very liable to ohafe and wear from the swaying of the stays, 
80 that somstimes it only lasts a day or so, and is therefore 
considered an insecure footing, and one that ought not to be 
used without other support, or more than ordinary caution. 
As an evidence of how soon this line may become chafed 
and weakened, and therefore of its insecurity as a foot-rope, 
it may be mentioned that on the evening before the libellant 
was hurt, as he came down from f urling the sail, he sat with 
ail his weight upon this same crane line while he put on this 
same stop. And yet it broke with him under similar circum- 
stances within eight hours thereafter. When, therefore, the 
libellant, who appears to be a man above the average weight, 
went upon this line in the dark, without any precaution against&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/676</title>
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it was necessaryand for the interest of all concerned; but the 
effect of Buch sale to discharge liens is the same. The Amelie, 
6 Wall. 18. 
In the case under consideration none of these objections are 
taken to the validity of the sale, but it is insisted that it can- 
not be held to have discharged the vessel of liens which the 
court making the sale had no jurisdiction to enforce. I have 
found no case, exeept possibly that of The Angelique, (17 Law 
Eep. 104, since expressly overruled,) which lends countenance 
to this proposition. Upon principle, it seems to me wholly 
nntenable. It is true the vessel was originally condemned, 
in part at least, upon a claim for ship-keepers' fees, which 
would not in this country be considered to import a maritime 
lien. The Thomas Scattergood, Gilpin, 1 ; The Havana, 1 
Sprague, 402; The Island City, 1 Low. 375; The Sarah Jane, 
2 Am. Law Eev. 450; Qurney v. Crockett, Abb. Ad. 493. 
But this was a question exclusively for the consideration of 
the maritime court under the laws of Canada, and the pre- 
sumption is conclusive that the facts necessary to give that 
court jurisdiction existed. Hudson v. Questier, 6 Cr. 281; 
Comstock v. Crawford, 3 Wall. 396. To say that the judicial 
sale of a vessel frees her only from such liens as the court 
making the sale had jurisdiction to enforce by original process, 
is a practical deniai of the principle that such a sale vests a 
cleat title in the purchaser. This would make the validity of 
the sale depend, not upon the power of the court to condemn 
and sell, but upon its authority to assume jurisdiction of all 
claims which, by the law of another country, might be liens 
upon her. There are probably no two countries in which the 
jurisdiction of the admiralty courts is identically the same. 
That of our own courts does not extend to all cases which 
wouldfall within such jurisdiction accordihg to the civil law, 
and the practices and usages of continental Europe. By the 
codes of most civilized nations the cost of construction, the 
wages of ship-keepers, the rent of warehouses for the storage 
of her tackle and apparel, money lent to the eaptain for the 
use of the vessel, are all ranked among privileged debts. In&lt;noinclude&gt;
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amount due thereon, they apply to the court, by petition, for 
an order directing that the wages of the master and crew may 
be paid out of the freight, and that the whole of the proceeds 
of the vessel remaining in the registry may be paid to them 
in satisfaction ''pro tanto'' of their mortgage. 

James A. Moran also makes it appear that the freight in 
question was made payalble to him, by the bill of lading, as 
security for certain advances made by him to pay expenses 
of the vessel incurred in fitting out and performing the voy- 
age in which the freight now in the registry was earned, 
which advances he has shown amount to more than the 
amount of the freight in the registry, whereupon he asks to 
have the wages of the master and crew paid out of the pro- 
ceeds of the vessel, and the amount of the freight in the reg- 
istry paid over to him. 

In this controversy the owners of the vessel have not ap- 
peared, and no claim has been made, on their behalf, to 
any part, either of the proceeds of the vessel or the freight. 
No defence was made to the demand of the master and 
crew, either by the owners or by the Bank of Nova Scotia, or 
any other person, and accordingly the master as well as the 
seamen have obtained decrees for their wages against both 
the ship and the freight. As the demands of the master and 
crew can be paid in full, either out; of the freight or out of 
the proceeds of the vessel, they care not to which fund they 
resort for the satisfaction of their decrees, and make no oppo- 
sition to any order that may be made respecting the pay- 
ments of their demands. It is thus seen that this is a 
controversy between two creditors, one of Whom bas made 
advances on the security of the ship, the other on the security 
of the freight. 

It has been contended, in behalf of the holders of the mort- 
gage upon the ship, that Moran acquired no lien upon the 
freight by reason of his advances, and, therefore, inasmuch 
as his right is simply that of an assignee of the ship-owner, 
that the question at issue is the same as if the controversy 
were between the ship-owner and the mortgagee, in which case.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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V. The Heinrîch, Crabbe, 226. The trip having ocoupîed a 
month, it makes no difference which way it is treated. 
As to the question of injury : The libellant was directed by 
the captain, or some other superior officer of the boat, to 
remove the obstruction from the wheel. It was a perilous 
undertaking; he used all ôrdinary care, but was injured. I 
understand the law to be that where a seaman is injured in 
the service of the boat, without any fault on his part, he is 
entitled to recover his fuU wages for the trip or period for 
■which he was employed, and the expense incurred in his cure. 
Neilson \. The Laura, 2 Sawy. 242; The North America, 5 
Ben. 486; Morgan v. The Berc Flint, 6 Am. Law Eeg. (N. S.) 
707; S. C. 1 Abb. U. S. 126; Sims v. Jackson, 1 Wash. 414; 
TheNimrod, Ware, 1, 9; The Forest, Id. 420; Harden v. Gor- 
don, 2 Mass. 541; Reed T. Canfield, 1 Sumn. 195. This is a 
well-established doctrine of admiralty law; and, the libellant 
having brought himself within the rule, he is entitled to 
recover. 
There is no dispute as to the fact that the libellant waa 
severely injured, and, in consequence thereof, unable to per- 
form his duties as fireman during the remainder of the trip. 
The evidence shows that he was to receive |35 per month; 
that the expense of medical attendance amounted to $15, 
and of ioe, medicines, and other supplies furnished during 
siekness, $10; in ail, $60; and a decree will accordingly be 
entered for that amount.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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but chiefly of valuable stocks and bonds. He left a will 
appointing his brother Dr. Frederick Marx, bis nephew Ed- 
ward Mayo, botb of Eichmond, and another who never 
qualified, his executors, and àlso trustees for the trusts 
created by bis will; and devised to Frederick Marx, and cer- 
tain of his adult nephews, certain portions of his estate in 
absolute right, and to his executors the residue thereof ; but 
charged them as trustees, as to these portions, with certain 
trusts in favor respectively of Judith Meyers, Harriet M. 
Etting, Caroline Barton, and Adeline Mayo, his married sis- 
ters then living; and of certain daughters of his deceased 
sisters Louisa Myers and Frances Etting. He directed all 
his real estate and personalty to be sold as soon as possible 
àfter his death, and those proportions of the proceeds which 
were not devised absolu tely to be invested in good and 
secure stocks, with power in the trustees to couvert them 
into other stocks, the securities to be taken in the names of 
the executors for the beneficiaries named in the will, and to 
show on their face for whose benefit they were respectively 
to be held; and provided that these securities should have 
the charactçr of realty in the eyent of the death of those 
entitled. 
Frederick Marx was the only one of those named as exe- 
cutors who qualified shortly after the death of Samuel Marx, 
which he did on the thirteenth December, 1860. He seems 
to have filed an appraisement of the estate in due time, 
according to law, and to have accounted regularly, before a 
proper commissioner, as to his transactions for the years 
ending December 13, 1861; December 13, 1862; December 
13, 1863 ; and for the subsequent period ending September 
7, 1864. I believe that it is admitted that he made the 
sales and investments required by the will in good faith ; no 
fraud being charged or pretended in regard to any of his 
transactions. 
On November 26, 1864, up to which time Frederick Marx 
had acted as sole executor and trustee, he turned over to Ed- 
ward Mayo, who had then ]ust qualified as executor and 
trustee, all the stocks, bonds, funds, and estate in his hands.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/694</title>
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estate unrler her father's -will. She was afterwarcls removed 
from her office of administratrix, but continued to hold the 
slaves for more than five years after such removal. Helcl, 
that the statuts of limitations will protect her against any 
claim by the administrator d. h. n., and next of kin of her 
husband, and that the fact tiiat one of the next of kin bad 
been a married woman during the whole period, will not pre- 
vent the running of the statute against her. This was a suit 
in equity, but might bave been brought at law. 
Nor do I think the case at bar falls within the second 
class of cases that bave been described — those in which courts 
of equity foUow the analogies of limitation enforced at law. 
Those are cases in which, though cognizable exclusively in 
equity, the reason of the law of limitation applies as cogently 
as in suits at law. The instances of this class mentioned by 
Judge Story are suits for real estate, where there has been 
adverse possession for 20 years, brought, say, by a mortgagee ; 
and suits brought to subjeot real estate to the liens of judg- 
ments, where there has been no effort to enforce the judg- 
ments for 20 years. The mere fact that equity has juris- 
diction to foreclose a mortgage, or enforce the lien of a 
judgment, upon real estate, is held not to eiïect the reason of 
the law of limitations which bars actions at law after certain 
periods of time. It cannot be pretended that the present 
suit falls within that class of cases. 
I conclude that it falls within the third class, to-wit, that 
in which equity, wholly ignoring the statutes of limitations by 
which the law arbitrarily bars actions after periods of time 
arbitrarily fixed, assumes the untrammelled prerogative of 
deciding, upon the circumstances of the partioular case before 
it, whether the complainant has used such diligence in exhib- 
iting his demand as the nature of the case required; and 
whether, in giving him relief after such delay as has ocourred, 
the court can be certain not only of his right to it, but also 
that it can be granted without injury to the rights of persona 
who may be thereby injured in consequence of the delay. 
A review of the cases of this latter class which have been 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/696</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the sale of a slave by the administrator alleged to have been 
made to himself, more than ten years after the sale was 
made, it was held to have been brought too late, the widow 
having been 10 years sui juris, and the daughter four years 
through mamage; the delay being unreasonable. 
In Hough v. Coughlan, 41 111. 131, there had been a con- 
tract by bond for the conveyance of land, and after 12 years 
a bill was brought for specifie performance, and the court 
held that there had been unreasonable delay: &quot;That great 
delay of either party unexplained, in not performing the 
terms of a contract, or in not prosecuting his rights under it 
by filing a bill, or in not prosecuting his suit with diligence 
when instituted, constituted such laches as would forbid the 
interference of a court of equity.&quot; 
In Mitchell v. Berry, 1 Met. (Ky.) 619, it was held, where 
a cestuî que trust desires to avoid a sale of his estate, at which 
the trustee has become the purchaser, he must apply to chan- 
cery in a reasonable time after he had knowledge of the f acts 
which impeach the sale, or he will be presumed to have 
aequiesced, and that reasonable time depends upon the cir- 
cumstanoes of the case, and the discretion of the court. In 
the particular case before the court an acquiescence of 12 
years was held sufficient to disable the parties from coming 
into a court of equity. 
In Davison v. Jersey Co. 71 N. Y. 333, there had been a 
contract for building bouses by May 1, 1859, and for purchase 
and deeds. Suit was brought for specifie performance in 
1S64:, and it was held that the rights of complainant were, 
under the circumstances of that case, forfeited by laches. 
In The State v. West, 68 Mo, 229, the testator of defend- 
ants, having boughfc certain land in his owu name at a sale 
made by order of the county court, on the twenty-third day of 
April, 1873, to satisfy a school mortgage, on the twentieth 
day of September, 1873, resold it at an advance, and on the 
second day of January, 1874, died, The county court knew 
of the purchase by the deceased soon after it was made. On 
the eighteenth day of June, 1874, 15 months after the pur- 
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faots, there is another which depends for its decision upon 
facts ■whieb are controverted. It is alleged in the answer 
that the plaintiff well knew that the enterprise in which 
respondents had embarked &quot;inyolved the crossing of plaintiff's 
road at or near the point of crossing aforesaid, and that the 
place and manner of said crossing, as aforesaid, were fully 
explained to the plaintiff, and that the plaintiff expressly 
assented to and approved the place and manner of cross- 
ing as aforesaid, and represented to the defendants, and gave 
them to understand, that they coidd and should be permitted 
to build and operate the said Barnesville &amp; Moorhead Eailroad 
across the «aid plaintiff's road at the place aforesaid when- 
ever and as soon as they desired so to do, and that they would 
assist in effecting such crossing, and that no obstacle would be 
interposed thereto; and that after such representations and 
license, and in firm reliance upon the same, and without and 
before any notice or knowledge that the said representations 
•would not be carried eut in good faith, or of any design on 
the part of the plaintiff to interpose any obstacles whatever to 
such crossing, or to attempt so to do, the said defendant com- 
panies went on and expended large sums of money in the 
construction of said road, to-wit, several hundred thousand 
dollars, &quot; etc. These allegations are denied by certain affida- 
vits filed by complainant; but it is manifest that the ques- 
tion of fact thus presented eannot be iinally decided until the 
final hearing upon the testimony. The right of the complain- 
ant to damages for the crossing of its track on the land above 
described, by the respondents' railroad, depends upon the 
docision of these several questions, some of which are by no 
means free from difSculty, and one of which (the last named) 
eannot be finally determined until the final hearing. In such 
a case the usual course is to continiie the injunction in force, 
and thus keep the parties in statu quo until the final hearing. 
But this rule bas its exceptions. Courts of equity will some- 
times substitute a bond of indemnity for an injunction, if the 
ends of justice will thereby be'promoted, and especially if any 
public interest may suffer by continuing the injunction in 
force pending the litigation. There are several cogent rea-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/710</title>
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waa not then in the command of the parties, and that, like 
the^property, it was beset with dangers of which no man could 
then form a just estimate. However this may be, tiiere was 
no understanding that this fund should be used in the pur- 
chase of the property, nor was there any agreement as to how 
the money should be raised for that purpose. As the resuit • 
of the several interviews between Bissell and Foss ou the 
Bubject of the purchase, it may be said that they were united 
in a purpose to get the Handley interest for partnership ac- 
count, if it could be obtained at a cost of |30,000 or less, 
but nothing was done towards raising the money. With this 
end ia view negotiations took place with members of the Hand- 
ley party, but nothing was accomplished until a few days iater, 
when Hunter arrived at Leadville, Whether Hunter was 
then advised of what had taken place between Bissell and 
Foss and the Handley party, we are not informed ; but upon 
bis arrivai a new arrangement was made between himself 
and Foss for obtaining the Handley interest, and apparently 
without the knowledge of Bissell. This was, in substance, 
that Hunter -was to assume to sell to Foss his oue-fourth 
interest in the property for $15,000, in order to induce the 
Handley party to sell their one-fourth interest at the same 
priee; and Hunter was to furnish the money for the Hand- 
ley interest, and have two-thirds of that one-fourth, or two- 
twelfths of the whole, — the remainder of that one-fourth, or 
one-twelfth of the whole, to go to Foss. This trick was suc- 
cessful, and Foss was made the grantee of one,-haif interest 
in the property from Hunter, Handley, Eobertson, and Eaw- 
lings, of which he a few days Iater reconveyed five-twelfths 
to Hunter. In this performance Handley, Eobertson, and 
Eawlings received $300 from Foss and $14,700 from Hunter, 
who pretended to act in that matter as the agent of Foss, but 
really furnished the money himself. Before the transaction 
was fully completed by the payment of the money, and prob- 
ably on the day the deed was made and before it was deliv- 
ered, Bissell was advised of it, and at once asserted his right 
to an equal shai-e in the property with Hunter and Foss, and 
expressed his ■willingneas to pay his part of the purchase&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/714</title>
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benefit of ail who should retain their interest, and certainly 
there is nothing in the relations of such owners to support 
that doctrine. 
The limitations to individual action on the part of the 
members of a partnership in respect to those matters which 
may or may not be within the scope of the partnersliip busi- 
ness are in many cases not easily defined. We know, how- 
ever, that fidelity to the partnership is the higbest duty of its 
members, and that no member ean be allowed to turn the 
partnership concerns to bis own account; and, whenever a 
member is found to be seeking a private advantage from 
partnership dealings, the courts aru prompt to correct sucb 
an abuse of the confidence reposee! in him by bis associates. 
A familiar application of the principle is found in the cases 
cited by counsel, it which it is held that a partner caniiot in 
his own name renew the lease of the premises used by the 
firm. In New York the doctrine was applied to a case in 
which the renewal did not begin until the copartnership had 
expired by its own limitation, and the reasons assigned by the 
court are entirely satisfaetory. Mitchell y. Reed, 61 N. Y. 
123. The position assumed in these cases is that the renewal 
is ancillary to the original lease, and so far connected with it 
that it shall be regarded as a part of it; and, as the original 
lease was owned by the' firm, any attempt by a member to 
appropriate the renewal to his own use is a direct conversion 
of the property of the firm. In other words, the doctrine is 
that a member of a firm jhall not be permitted to take unio 
himself the property of the firm, and the renewal of the lease 
whereof the firm holds the original is such property, and 
therefore it is protected for the use of the firm. To invoke 
the principle, however, it is obviously necessary to show that 
the malversation was of the partnership funds or effects, for 
if it be otherwice no member of the partnership can com- 
plain. 
And this brings as to inquire, what right or interest of the 
copartnership of which he was a member was used or asserted 
by Foss in making the purchase of his associates' interest in 
the mines? Is it true that in a mining partnership the firm&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/722</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the eompany is to be prepared to execute its contracta, both 
to carry passengers and to carry freight; it cannot excuse 
itself for a failure to do the one uppn the ground that it was 
bound to do the other, and that it was not able.to do both. 
Therefore, if there was nothing in the case except the faet of 
a delay of 24 hours at this station, and if you should find 
that thàt delay was the cause ôf the injury of which theplain- 
tiff complains, he would be entitled to recoyer. But it is 
incumbent upon the plaintiff to show by the preponderance 
of testimony that the damage to his stock was caused by that 
delay of 24 hours, and that is the next question for your con- 
sideratiofl.. You are to oonsider that question carefully upon 
th'e testimony that bas been submitted to you, and it is for 
you tp, decide whether, in the case of the horses that died, 
their death was caused by this delay; and, as to the others, 
whether their sickness and the damage tothem was the resuit 
of the same cause. In eonsidering this question you will 
look into the evidence which has been offered before you, 
tending to show that the injury might have resulted from some 
other cause; and if you find that it did resuit from other cause, 
or, in other words, if you do not find the evidence sufScient to 
show that it resulted from this delay, you cannot find a verdict 
for the plaintiff; as, fdr example, you must consider the con- 
dition of the stock when it was shipped at Kansas City, and 
its condition when it was shipped in Kentucky. If you find 
that there was anything the matter with the stock, or any of 
ii;, before it started from Louisville, that is a fact to be con- 
sidered, and upon the testimony it is for you to say whether 
this delay of 24 hours resulted in the death of the two horses, 
and in the sickness and injury of the others eomplained of. 
If you find that the delay was the cause of the injury to the 
stock, then your verdict will be for the plaintiff, unless you 
find for the defendant on some of the matters that are alleged 
by way of defence. 
In eonsidering, however, the first question, (whether the 
damage resulted from this delay,) you are to consider not 
only the condition of the stock when it was shipped at Louis- 
ville, and when it was reshipped at Kansas City, but you are&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/734</title>
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creditor proceeded at his own hazard. If the debtor escaped 
the bankruptcy court for the prescribed time, the preference 
or lien remained valid. If he did not, it is void ahsolutely.&quot; 
And the judgment of the supreme court in Doe y. Childers, 
21 Wall. 643, is strongly in the same direction, although it 
be an implication, rather than a direct utterance. The decis- 
ion there was that an attachment, laid more than four months 
previously to the proceedings in bankruptcy begun, continued 
a valid lien, and was not dissolved by the transfer of the 
bankrupt estate to the assignee. 
But the court, in reaching that conclusion, say: &quot;Under 
the fourteenth section (§ 5044 of Eev. St.) of the bankrupt 
act, the title pendente lite is transferred by operation of law 
from the bankrupt to the assignee in bankruptcy. The con- 
veyance of the register operates as would, under ordinary 
circumstances, the deed of a person having the title, with two 
differences : First, it relates back to the commencement of the 
bankruptcy proceeding; secondly, the register's conveyance 
dissolves any attachment that has been made within four 
months previous to the commencement of the bankrupt pro- 
ceedings.&quot; 
The title of the complainant failing, and the law requiring 
him to stand upon the strength of his own title, rather than 
the weakness of his adversaries, the bili of complaint must 
be dismissed, with costs. 
GlANT POWDBB CoMPANY V. CaLIFORNIA ViGORIT PoWDKB 
Company and others. 
{Circuit Court, D. Galifornia. , 1880.) 
Re-Issue— Rbv. 8t. § 4916. — Section 4916 of the Revised Statutes only- 
authorizes a re-issue when, from an unintentional error in the desrip- 
tion of the invention, the patent is invalid or inoperative, or when 
the claim of the patentee exceeds his invention. 
Bamb — CoMMissioj^BB OF PATENTS — Jdeisdiction. — The power to ac- 
cept a surrender and issue new letters is vested exclusively in the 
comtnissioner of patents, and his decision in such cases is not open to 
collateral attack in a suit for the infringement of re-isaued letters.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/744</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644233</id>
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made. So when in his specifications he mentions charcoal 
as an absorbent, he observes that it bas the &quot;defect of being 
itself a combustible material.&quot; 
To our mind, looking at the history of the invention and 
reading the specifications of the patent in this light, it is clear 
that the inventor used the word &quot;inexplosive&quot; in its natural 
and ordinary sense, and that the attempt to limit that mean- 
ing is an afterthought of his assignees, desiring to bring within 
the reach of the patent compounds in no respect within his 
contemplation. In other words, the re-issued letters cover a 
compound not claimed by Nobel, and not embraced in the 
original patent. 
It foUows that in our judgment the complainant bas no 
just clause of complaint against the defendants, and its suit 
must be dismissed, with côsts, and it is so ordered. 
Note. See Atlantic Qiant Powder Go. v. Dittmar Powder Go. 1 Fbd. Rep. 
328, and Dittmar v. Bix, Id. 342. 
The Swedish Baek Adolph. 
{Bistritt Court, 8. D. New York. November 10, 1880.) 
Admiralty — Collision — Sixteenth Rulb of Navigation — Negli- 
gence — Innocent Thibd Paktt. — Where the brig F., with a cargo 
insured by the libellant, collided at night with the bark A., being 
struok by the A. on her starboard side amidships, and the P. claimed 
to be heading southeast, close hauled on the port tack, with the wind 
east north-east, and to have sighted the green light of the A. a little on 
the port bow, and to have kept her course, and that the green light 
crossed to the starboard bow, and then the A. showed both lights, and 
ran into the starboard side of the F., and that the collision was caused 
by the A. 's porting after crossing the P. 's bow. 
And the A. claimed to be heading north-west lesa than one point 
free on the starboard tack, with the wind north-east by north, when 
the red light of the P. was sighted half a point on her port bow, and 
thereafter, till the collision, kept her course by the wind three-quar- 
ters of a point ; and that then the A. ported, and that the red light 
drew ahead ; and that then the F. starboarded and luffed across the 
A. 's bow, when the vessels were very near each other, thus causing 
the collision. 
I Held, that on the evidence the vessels were meeting end on, or 
nearly end on, and both were bound to port, under the sixteenth rule&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/750</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Tessel lying athwartships of the bark. The master testified 
that he had reached the top step of the companion-way when 
the vessels struck ; that he looked back towarda the bow at 
the other vessel, and then immediately went to the compass 
and Baw that the bark headed N. W. f N. ; then he ran to the 
■wheel, took it from the wheelsman and rolled it over hard 
a-port, and gave the order to back the yards in order to get 
clear of the other vessel. 
The four seamen of the mate's watch had the wheel buc- 
cessively for the four hours beginning at 8 o'clock. They aU 
testify that the vessel was heading ail the time N. W. ; that 
her yards were braced in on the port side, close to the back- 
stays on the wind. The evidence as to the angle at which 
the vessels came together was conflicting. The master of the 
Fernande made the blow an angling blow, and his diagram 
shows an angle of 52 deg., or a little over 4J points, as the 
heading of the Fernande across the bow of the Adolph at the 
time of collision. The lookout of the Adolph, by his dia- 
gram, makes the same angle 87 deg., or T| points. The 
master of the Adolph makes the same angle of the two ves- 
sels 103 deg. when he looked back over the bow an instant 
after they struck. The mate made two diagrams, making 
the angle in one 90 deg. and in the other 125 deg. Such 
evidence is worthless, so far as concerns any use of it to fix 
the precise angle of contact. The observation is made in a 
moment of peril and alarm, and the thing to be observed is one 
difficult of judgment if cooUy and deliberately observed, The 
concurrence of the witnesses, however, establishes the general 
faot that the angle between the vessels at the moment of col- 
lision was not a very acute angle, and testimony is also pro- 
dueed that no injury was done to the starboard bow of the 
Adolph,- while her port bow showed bruises and scratches, 
and the manner in which the bolts in her stem were bent 
indicated that the blow was nearly head on. The testimony 
of those on the Adolph is that at the moment of the collision 
the sails of the Adolph were full. This is not contradicted 
by the single witness from the Fernande. Assuming, then.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/760</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644249</id>
    <revision>
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Princeton, an American vessel, to recover advances made to 
the master for the neeessary disbursements of the ship while 
in the port of London, at the request of the master and of 
one Frost, who was a part owner, and at the time was acting 
as ship's husband. The advances were made between Decem- 
ber, 1875, and February, 1876, and are alleged to bave 
amounted to about $1,500. While ail the owners are named 
in the libel as defendants, the only ones who have been served 
and who have appeared are the respondents Sturges, Mitch- 
ell, and Davis, who are sued as executors of Samuel L. 
Mitchell, deceased, and as such defend the action. 
It appears that Samuel L. Mitchell died in 1873 ; that at 
the time of his death he was the owner of one-sixteenth part 
of the vessel; and that these defendants are his duly-qualified 
executors. The voyage upon which the vessel was when the 
advances were made by the libellant was therefore subsequent 
to the death of Mitchell, the part owner. No act of the execu- 
tors is shown in any way indicating their assent to the employ- 
ment of the ship, nor any express authority on their part to lier 
employment on their account or for their benefit; nor does it 
appear tha t they have, since they qualified as executors, received 
any share in the earnings. Upon these facts the libellant insists 
that, as executors, these defendants became jointly the owner 
of their testator's sixteenth part, and that, as part owners, 
they are liable for necessaries supplied to the ship. 
The liability of part owners for supplies furnished at the 
request of the master, or of another part owner, who is ship's 
husband, depends on the existence of the relation of principal 
and agent between the parties. Ordinarily, and in the absence 
of any prohibition or expressed dissent on the part of the 
owner sought to be oharged, his consent to the employment 
of the vessel, and his assent to the expenditures, if neeessary 
to the vessel in the due course of her employment, will be pre- 
sumed. But it may be shown that he has actually parted 
with his interest, though still a registered owner, or that he 
bas committed the vessel to the exclusive care and control of 
the other owners, and thereby disentitled himself to share in 
her earnings, or bas expressly dissented from the employment&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/774</title>
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ineured had contracted that the person who procured the insur- 
ances hould be deemed his agent, he must abide by his agree- 
ment; and that though, through fault Oi* mistake, that person 
had, in the application for a policy, misstated to the company 
the declarations of the assured, whereby there had been brought 
an untrue representation, yet that, as he had been agreed 
upon as the agent of the insured, the insured must suffer for 
the error or the wrong. That case dealt with matters before 
the issuing of the policy. It is so that the clause in the pol- 
icy is broad, and takes into the fold of its wording any cir- 
cumstances whatever, and any transaction relating to the 
insurance. In its verbal scope it bas to do with acts, as well 
after as before and at the time of the giving ont of the pol- 
icy. But, if the insured is to be now bound as having thus 
contracted, there must be mutuality in the contraet. No maa 
can serve two masters. If the procurer of the insurance is 
to be deemed the agent of the insured, and Harmon is to 
be deemed such procurer, he may not be taken into the serv- 
ice of the insurer as its agent also; or, if he is feo taken, 
the insurer must be bound by his acts and words when he 
stands in its place, and moves and speaks as one having 
authority from it; and, pro hac vice at least, he does, then, 
rightfully put off his agency for the insured, and put on 
that for the insurer. 
&quot;Hence it was that in Sprague v. HoUand Purchase Ins. Co. 
69 N. Y. 128, we held that the same clause, in the policy 
there put out by that defendant, did not make the insured 
the principal. * • * In the case in hand the defendant 
has declared, over the hands of its president and secretary, 
that a renewal certificate from it will not be valid unless 
countersigned by the duly-authorized agent of the company 
at Oswego, New York. It had before sent two such certifi- 
cates to Harmon, which he had countersigned as such agent 
and delivered to the plaintiff. The plaintiff had paid to him 
the premium for those renewals, and he had sent them to 
the defendant. The defendant treated these two certificates 
as valid, because countersigned by Harmon. Thereby it 
asserted that Harmon was its duly-authorized agent. It held&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/782</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Miller v. Union Pac. Ey. Co. 
{Oireuît Court, D. Colorado. November 20, 1880.) 
1. Pleading — Nbgligbncb— CoNTRiBUTOKY NegiiIgbkce. — The plain- 
ti£E, an employe of the defendant raiiroad, brought an action against 
the Company for injuries sustained while riding down a steep grade 
In what he called in his petition a &quot; push-oar or hand-car.&quot; MAd, 
that the petition was defective for uncertamty — {1) In that It did not 
describe the car with greater particularity ; (2) in that it did not state 
■whether the car was with or without hrakes ; (3) in that it did not 
Btate that cars such as the one plaiutiS was riding in when injured 
are usually supplied with brakes. 
For these reasons a demurrer to the petition was sustained, but 
leave was given to amend. 
Demurrer. 
Qco. H. Grey and T. A. Green, for plaîntiff. 
H. M. d Wiïlard Teller, for defendant. 
McCraey, C. J. This is a case in which the plaîntiff sues 
to recover damages for an injury received while riding on 
what he calls in his petition a &quot;push-car or hand-car.&quot; It 
is alleged that he was employed as a carpenter for the defend- 
ant Company, and was furnished with a car to carry his tools 
and transport himself f rom the station on the main line along 
a side-track or branch roadto a ooal station; that he went up 
on this car. It is not stated in the petition whether he pushed 
*t up, or whether he rode upon it and somebody else pushed 
it ; but it is alleged that when he came to return he and several 
others got aboard the car and started down the track, which 
was of a very steep grade, and the car got beyond their con- 
trol, having no means of retarding its movement, and in jump- 
ing out of it hewas injured. 
The demurer to the petition is upon the ground that plain- 
tiff's statement of the case in the pleadings shows that he was 
guilty of contributory negligence. In the courts of the United 
States, at least, and I think in most if not ail the states, the 
defence of contributory negligence is a good defence in a casa 
of this kind. 
In the first place, this petition is defective for nncertaînty.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/792</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644286</id>
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case for the exercise Of the discretion of the court. There has 
been one sale which has been set aside for inadequacy of priee, 
The property has been resold, and has brought a sum near 
its value. AU the court could do — ail Judge Blodgett could 
do in the district court — would be simply to order a resale, 
and perhaps declare that the $35,000 or $36,000 should be 
considered as a bid made. Our practice has never been to 
allow the receiver or the master, as the case may be, in a judi- 
cial sale, to receive a bid, as in England, privately. On the 
contrary, the prao ' ' e bis been to bave the property re-offered 
for sale, and treat the advance offer made aa a bid at the sale. 
Perhaps I ought to say something about the purchaser. I 
think a purchaser at a judicial sale may be said to be clothed 
■with some rights -when he makea a bid for the property, and 
the hammer falls, and the bid accepted by the master or 
receiver. True, the rights which exist in him are subject to 
the action of the court ; but that action depends upon the gen- 
erai principles and usages of law. It cannot be said that it 
is a discretion which is merely arbitrary on the part of the 
court, or capricious; but it must aot upon well-settled and 
generally-recognized principles of equity in cases of this kind, 
and, if it disregard those principles, the rights of the purchaser 
can ordinarily be protected in another court. So that the bid- 
der certainly has rights which can be protected by a court of 
equity. I therefore advise that the order of the district court 
shall stand confirming the sale. 
KoTB. See Blackburn t. The Stima B. Oo. 8 Fbd. Rbp. 689.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/798</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644294</id>
    <revision>
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the provisions of the treaty between the United States and 
the several bands of Ute Indians, proclaimed March 2, 1868. 
The first section of the enablingact above cited provides &quot;that 
the inhabitanta of the territory of Colorado, included in the 
boundaries hereinafter designated, be and they are hereby 
authorized to form for themselves out of said territory a state 
govemment, with the name of the state of Colorado, which 
state, when formed, shall be admitted into the Union upon an 
eqnal footing with the original states in ail respects whatso- 
ever, as hereinafter prpvided.&quot; 
The treaty, which was in force prior to the passage of said 
enabling act, contains the foUowing provisions : 
&quot;Article 2. The United States agree that the following dis- 
trict ôf country, to-wit: Commencing at that point on the 
southern boundary line of the territory of Colorado where the 
meridian of longitude 107 degrees west from Greenwich 
crosses the same ; running thence north with said meridian to 
a point 15 miles due north of where said meridian intersects 
the fortieth parallel of north latitude; thence due west to the 
western boundary line of said territory ; thence south with said 
western boundary line of said territory to the southern 
boundary line of said territory; thence east with said south- 
ern boundary line to the place of beginning, — shall be, and the 
same is hereby, set apart for the absolute and undisturbed 
use and occupation of the Indians herein named, and for such 
other friendly tribes or individual Indians as, fromtimetotime, 
they may be willing, with the consent of the United States, to 
admit among them. And the United States now solemnly 
agree that no persons, except those herein authorized so to 
do, and except such officers, agents, and employes of the gov- 
ernment as may be authorized to enter upon Indian reserva- 
tions in discharge of duties enjoined by law, shall ever be 
permitted to pass over, settle upon, or reside in the territory 
described in this article, except as herein otherwiseprovided. 
&quot;Art. 6. If bad men among the whites or among other peo- 
ple, subject to the authority of the United States, shall com- 
mit any wrong upon the person or property of the Indians, 
the United States will, upon proof made to the agent and for-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/806</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644303</id>
    <revision>
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been deemed necessary, or at least expedient, to obtain from 
the state a relinquishment of jurisdiction; but where juris- 
diction o/er them is vested in the United States, prior to 
the organization of the state government, this is uot neces- 
sary. 
My conclusion is that the treaty of March 2, 1868, remains 
in f ull force, and has not been repealed; that by virtue of its 
terms the Ute reservation is within the jurisdiction of the 
United States, and that the federal courts of this district 
have iurisdiction of the case stated in the information. 
The order prayed is accordingly denied. 
Halleïï, D. J., concurs. 
Mason and others v. Cotton and others. 
{Circuit Court, D, Colorado. November 17, 1880.) 
1. RiPAHiAw 0-wîrEB— Use of Wateb. — Each riparian owner has a right, 
within his own territory, to the use of the water as it flows, return- 
ing it to the channel of the river for the use of others below. 
2. Samb — Same — Equitable Relief.— If, however, the water may be 
conveniently used by two riparian owners, withoiit strictiy euforcing 
such right, a court of equity may refuse to lend its aid. 
3. Samb — Same — Same. — Held, therefore, a riparian owner would not be 
enjoined from talsing water from a river for the use of his mill, 
although it was not returned to the channel of the river before it 
reached the territory of an adjoining owner, where it was not clear 
from the evidence that suoh adjoining owner could not use the water 
with substantially the same resulta through the race of the defend- 
ant's mill. 
Motion to Dissolve Tnjunction. 
Wells, Smith e Maçon, for plaintiffs. 
H. M. e Willard Teller and Haynes, Bunning e Tlaynes, 
for defendants. 
Hallett, D. J. Plaintiffs own a flouring mill, situated 
near Fort Collins, in this state, 'which is operated by water 
obtained from the Cache-a-la-Poudre river, through a race 
about one mile and one-fourth in length. This mill and race&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/820</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644319</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135132</id>
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      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:28:16Z</timestamp>
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a partnership files his petition in bankruptcy, and makes np 
his sohedulea without mentioning partnership assets or debts, 
and aska for his discharge onlyfrom his individual liabilities, 
he is net required by the law to inolude any partnership 
assets in his schedules of property. It is claimed that his 
discharge, when granted upon such a petition and adjudica- 
tion, applies to and releases him only from his individual 
debts, and does not release him from his partnership obliga- 
tion. 
Much support for such a proposition is, doubtless, found in 
a number of the adjudged cases, {In re Little, 1 N. B. E, 341; 
In re Sheppard, 3 N. B. E. 172; Hudgins v. Lane, 11 N. B. 
E. 462; Cary v. Perry, 17 N. B. E. 147;) and I have so much 
respect for the opinion of the learned judges who have thus 
held that I have, with great care and consideration, examined 
the grounda on which they have founded their judgment, and 
regret that I am unable to reach the same conclusion. 
There are difficulties, I confess, in the matter growing ont 
of the provisions of the bankrupt aot, and the general orders 
in regard to proceedings in the case of partnership; but, not 
stopping to set forth in detail the reasons for my opinion, I 
think that Judge Lowell, in Wilkim v. Davis, 15 N. B. E. 60, 
has correctly stated the law, and indioated the proper prac- 
tice, and that it is the duty of the bankrupt in such cases to 
include in his schedules his interest in partnership property, 
as well as his individual assets. 
The second reason assigned is that only such property as 
is assignable should be included in a bankrupt's schedules, 
and the suit in question, being an action in tort, is not assign- 
able, and wcald not pass to the assignee in bankruptcy. 
Section 5016 of the Eevised Statutes, in referring to the 
sehedule and inventory which the voluntary bankrupt must 
annex to his petition, provides that &quot;the said inventory must 
contain an accurate statement of ail the petitioner's estate, 
both real and personal, assignable under this title, deseribing 
the same, and stating where it is situated, and whether there 
are any, and, if so, what encumbrances thereon.&quot; What 
description of property is stated to be assignable?&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/824</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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in furnaces for roasting ores, and more particularly for ex- 
tracting the volatile portions of ores, from which it is only 
desired to save the fumes, sueh as cinnabar or quicksilver- 
yielding orea, and also for improvements in the condensers, 
whereby the metallic or other sulphurous vapors are rapidly 
and elÏ3ctually refrigerated without actual contact with water. 
The specifications describe minutely the improvements, and 
are accompanied with drawings illustrating the construc- 
tion of a furnace with them. The principal feature of the 
improvements consists in placing the fire-place on the side of 
the body of the furnace several feet from its bottom, sepa- 
rated from the chamber in whioh the ores are deposited by 
grate bars called a pigeon-hole partition, and having on the 
opposite side of the chamber, a little higher up than the fire- 
place, a discharge or draft opening faced with a similar pigeon- 
hole partition, though of greater capacity than the gratings 
of the fire-place. A cross draft is thus produced, subjectint; 
the ores, as is said, to a greater beat than if the draft were 
vertical, and the fumes passed out at or near the top of the 
furnace. Another feature of the improvements consists in 
the graduai contraction in width of the furnace towards the 
bottom, with an incline which conveys the refuse ore to a 
floor, from which it can be readily removed by hand or 
machinery. A third feature of the improvements consists 
in having a small door at the upper end of the furnace, 
through which the ore is passed into the chamber; and, if the 
chamber is kept filled, the ore will constantly settle towards 
the bottom, and aa it passes between the fire-place and draft 
opening be thoroughly roasted, and the vapors carried off 
through the draft opening and down a vertical pipe into the 
condenser. The specifications also describe an alleged im- 
provement in the condenser; but, as this improvement was 
not pressed on the argument, it need not be further noticed. 
The claims made upon these improvements, omitting the 
one in relation to the condenser, are : (1) Placing the fire- 
place and draft opening on opposite sides of the body of the 
furnace, so as to draw the heat through the passing ore, sub- 
atantially as described. [^) Contracting the chamber at the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/826</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>644325</id>
    <revision>
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used in limekilns for many years before their patent was 
issued, and before their attention had been directed to fur- 
naces for quicksilver-bearing ores. They only applied what 
was well known and used in other furnaces to a quicksilver 
furnace. 
There is also evidence in this case— not presented, as I am 
informed, in the Great Western Mining Case — of the exist- 
ence and use at varions places in Europe of continuously- 
working quicksilver furnaces anterior to the complainants* 
invention. Professor Church, a gentleman shown to be exten- 
sively acquainted with furnaces îox roasting and smelting 
ores, testifies to having seen several of them in operation 
there. It may be and probably is true that the complain- 
ants were the first persons in this country to put into opera- 
tion a continuously-working quicksilver furnace; but they are 
not the originatora of the idea of a furnace of that kind. 
As to the first claim — for the cross draft with the pigeon- 
hole partitions, or receding arches — it is sufficient to say that 
the defendants are not using those devices, and have not 
used them, or what can be regarded as an equivalent for 
them. They are not, therefore, infringers. The fire-plaoe 
in their furnace has no pigeon-hole partition, and is near 
the bottom of the furnace. They bave no cross draft, but 
use a vertical draft, such as is employed in all other furnaces 
where an outlet is desired for the fumes of the subject con- 
sumed or heated. 
This case has been heard upon evidence more extended 
than that presented in the case of the Great Western Mining 
Co., and much new information as to quicksilver and other 
furnaces previously used has been furnished. The case has 
been prepared and presented by counsel on both sides with a 
fuUness and learning worthy of all admiration It will not 
probably rest here, but find its way to the supreme court of 
the United States, where all errors of mine will be corrected. 
The improvements of the complainants, in my judgment, 
liave not becu infringed by the defendant. A decree must 
therefore be entered dismissin&lt;4 the bill, with costs ; and it is 
«0 ordered.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/838</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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of the general maritime law, there are reasons to be found in 
the provisions of the act of July 20, 1790, (now sections 
4530, 4546, 4547, of the Eevised Statutes,) which strongly 
sustain, if they do not compel, the conclusion that seamen's 
wages are exempt from garnishment in an action at law. 
The act of 1790, which, so far as it is reproduced in the above- 
mentioned sections of the Eevised Statutes, is wholly unaf- 
fected by the act of June 9, 1874, provides that &quot;as soon as 
the voyage is ended, and the cargo or ballast is fully dis- 
charged at the last port of deliverj', he (the seaman) shall be 
entitled to the wages which shall then be due.&quot; This provis- 
ion is absoliite. There is no exception in the case of service 
of an attacement. It does not say the seaman or his cred- 
iter. But the statute proceeds, (section 4546 :) &quot;Whenever 
the wages of any seaman are not paid within 10 days after 
the time when the same ought to be paid, or any dispute 
arises between the master and seaman touching wages, the 
district judge of the judicial district where the vessel is 
* * * may summon the master to appear before him to 
show cause why process should not issue against such vessel, 
her taokle, apparel, and furniture, according to the course of 
admiralty courts, to answer for the wages.&quot; Section 4547. 
&quot;If the master against whom such summons is issued neg- 
lects to appear, or, appearing, does not show that the wages 
are paid, or otherwise satisfied or forfeited, and if the mat- 
ter in dispute is not forthwith settled, the judge shall certify 
to the clerk of the district court that there is suiiScient cause of 
complaint whereon to found admiralty process, and there- 
upon the clerk of such court shall issue process against the 
vessel, and the suit shall be proceeded on in the court, and 
final judgment shall be given, according to the usual course 
of admiralty courts in such cases.&quot; 
By this provision every seaman is given a statutory right, 
in every case of subtraction of his wages, to have the master 
of the vessel summoned to show cause why process should 
not issue against the vessel, and jurisdiction is given to the 
district judge of any district where the vessel may be to so 
Bummon the master. It is difficult to see how the district&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/840</title>
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Hare but McCarty is a party libellant. Of course, the attach- 
ment issued at the instance of the crediter of Hare against 
Hare's wages is no bar to the proceeding so far as McCarty 
is concerned, and if this answer prevail these owners will be 
harassed by two suits — one at the instance of Eddy, for 
Hare's wages in the second district court of Bristol county, 
and the other by McCarty here ; and further liable, for aught 
I know, to as many other suits as there were members of the 
crew; while Hare must bear the expense of one suit and 
McCarty of another, and this in the face of a statute of the 
United States declaring that there shall be but one suit, in 
which ail the crew shall be joined as complainants. These 
provisions of the act of 1790 net only furnish strong evidence 
that at that early day wages of seamen were understood to 
be exempt from attachment, but they are wholly inconsistent 
with the existence of a right on the part of a creditor to 
attach a seaman's wages in an action at law, and therefore 
seem to compel the conclusion that such attachments are not 
allowed by the laws of the United States. 
The same conclusion is arrived at from an application, to 
the peculiar contract of the mariner, of the prinoiples of the 
common law invoked by courts of law in cases of garnishment. 
Garnishment is said to be, in eiïect, a suit by the defendant 
in the plaintifï's name without the defendant's concurrence, 
and, indeed, in opposition to his will. Drake on Attachments, 
§ 461. It is well settled that garnishment cannot have the 
effect of changing the nature of the contract, and it does not 
lie where its effect will be to allow a creditor of the principal 
debtor to enforce a contract in a manner different from its 
legal effect and the agreement of the parties. Sawyer v. Thomp- 
son, 4 Foster, 515. If these principles be applied to the sea- 
men's contract, it will be found necessary, as I think, to declare 
that the wages due a seaman constitute a demand of such a 
character that the law forbids an attachment of them in au 
action at law. 
&quot;The contract of hire formariners stands on reasons pecu- 
liar to itself.&quot; Ware, J., in The Elizaheth and Jane, 1 AVare, 
85. One characteristic element in this contract is that, upon&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/842</title>
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Says Cliief Justice Taney: &quot;The seamen as a matter of riglii 
are entitled to the process of the court to enforce . payment 
proraptly in order that they may not be left penniless and 
•without means of support ; and the right to this remedy is as 
well and firmly established as the right to the paraniount lien. 
No court of common law can enforce or displace this lien. 
It bas no jurisdiction over it, nor any right to obstruct or 
interfere with the lien or the remedy which is given to the 
seamen. Taylor v. Carryl, 20 How. 601. 
Again : &quot;Courts of law cannot undertake, by gamishment, 
to settle the equities between the parties in order to subjee't 
an equitable demand which the defendant may have against 
the garnishee to the payment of the defendant's debt.&quot; Drake 
on Attachments, e57. The contract of the mariner is an 
equitable contraet, and it gives rise to equitable rights not 
capable of being preserved by a court of common law. One 
of these is the right to submit the terms of the contract to be 
scrutinized, and, if necessary, reformed, by a court of equity 
before it be enforced. This right the mariner may waive by 
electing to enforce his contract as it is, in a court of common 
iaw; but such a waiver cannot be effected against his will by 
the act of a creditor in attaching his wages. To permit that 
would be to deprive the seaman of a substantial right without 
any consideration. The reality and importance of this right 
of the mariner will be made to appear by referring to a few 
familiar passages selected out of many to the same effect. 
Sprague, J., says: The court &quot;scrutinizes all contracts re- 
specting seamen's wages in order to see that advantage bas 
not been taken of their necessities, ignorance, or thoughtlesa 
imprudence.&quot; The Bark Rajah, 1 Sprague, 199. &quot;In all mar- 
itime countries seamen are privileged to go in their own pecu- 
liar courts, whose course and form of proceeding are adapted 
to the direct and guileless character of the sailors.&quot; Ware, J., 
2 Davies, 118, The Betsy and Rhody. A court of admiralty, 
&quot;within its jurisdiction, acts upon the liberal, enlarged priiici- 
ples of a court of equity, and especially it does so in dealing 
with the contract between the seamen and owners.&quot; Ware, 
J., Id, &quot;A court of admiralty it is certain will, in some&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/844</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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between the title of the crew to the freight and that of 
the vessel or owners. It is in its own nature as perfectly a 
joint or partnership interest as can be oonceived. Tbese 
opinions expressed are not new.&quot; Ware, J., The Brig Spar- 
tan, 1 Ware, 139. But it bas been beld that when a gar- 
nishee was sought to be charged on the ground that he was 
indebted to the defendant in respect of a partnership which 
had existed between them, but the accounts of which had not 
been settled, the proceeding could not be sustained. Burn- 
ham V. Hophinson, 17 N. H. 259. Whether, in this pres- 
ent case, the freight eamed by these seamen bas been col- 
lected or not, we do not know. If the freight bas not been 
collected, the seaman must lose his interest in it, if the gar- 
nishment of the owner's debt for the wages holds good. If 
it bas been collected, it is held by the owners in trust for the 
seaman pro tanto. And, inasmuch as the trust cannot be 
enforced in the second district court of Bristol county, to 
uphold the attachment ia to overthrow the trust. &quot;Garnish- 
ment can bave no efifect to overthrow trusts.&quot; Drake on 
Attachments, § 454A. 
In regard to the garnishment of a legacy, which is a sum 
of money payable out of the estate, subject to chancery juris- 
diction, where the executer is treated as trustee of the 
estate for the benefit of those interested in it, it bas been 
held to be exempt from attachment, because of the great 
inconvenience and manifest incongruity attending the appli- 
cation of the law of garnishment in such cases. &quot;Seamen 
are emphatically the wards of the admiralty, and, although 
not technically incapable of entering into a valid contraet, 
they are treated in the same manner as courts of equity are 
accustomed to treat young heirs dealing with their expectan- 
cies, and ccstui que trusts with their trustees.&quot; Story, 3.^ 
Harnden v. Gordon, 2 Mason, 541. The rightsof seamen, by 
virtue of the contraet of liire, are those of a cestui que trust, 
of a mortgagee, of. a part owner of the freight. They have 
privileges, personal in their nature, conferred by the law and 
upheld everywhere upon grounds of public policy. Caumont, 
Dict. Droit Maritime, 677, title &quot;Gens de Mer.&quot; If great in-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/852</title>
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Long Dock, Jersey City. The tide was ebb. The Bowen and 
the scow proceeded down the East river to the Battery, and 
rounded the Battery. At a point about opposite pier 1, 
North river, and about 300 yards distant from the New York 
ahore, the bow of the boat Centennial, which was being towed 
by the steam-tug L. P. Dayton on the starboard side of the Day- 
ton, and was going down the North river, came into collision 
with the bow of the said scow Number Four, and the effect 
was that the Centennial sank. 
On the foregoing facts I find, as a conclusion of law, that, 
as the libel alleges that the scow was in fault in partioulara 
specified in the libel, and as the answer of the claimant of 
the scow denies each and every allegation in the libel charg- 
ing or imputing any fault or negligence to the scow or the 
Bowen, or those in charge thereof, and as no facts are proved 
in the case as against the scow except the foregoing facts 
admitted by said answer, and the libellant has proved no 
negligence or fault on the part of the scow, the libel must ba 
dismissed as to the scow, with eosts to her in this court, and 
with $23.25 costs to her in the district court against the 
libellant. 
The answer of the Dayton alleges that this collision was 
wholly caused by the fault of those on board and in charge 
of the Bowen and the scow, &quot;as alleged in the libel.&quot; This 
admission by the Dayton certainly can bave no effect to 
throw on the Dayton, as between her and the libellant, any 
burden of showing fault in the Bowen and the scow. The 
libellant and the Dayton agree that there was fault in the 
Bowen and the scow. But when it comas to making proof of 
such fault, which proof must be made as against the Bowen 
and the scow to condemn them, they having denied the libel- 
lant's allegation of fault in them, and the libellant having 
initiated such allegation of fault in them, the libellant must 
go forward and prove such allegation, or else his libel must 
be diamissed as to the Bowen and the scow. It is of no con- 
sequence that such allegation is admitted in the answer of 
the Dayton. So, also, the allegation in the answer of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/858</title>
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turned with the marshars indorsement that he had been 
unable to find the respondent, but had attached the credits 
and effects of the respondent in the hands of a garnishee. An 
interlocutory decree and order of reference were then entered 
on their default. Shortly after the said process was issued 
it was discovered that the libel, though swqrn to, had not 
been signed except by the proctors as proctors. It was then 
Bjgned, without permission of the court, by one of the proctors 
in behalf of the libellant, who had sworn to it as attorney in 
fact. Subsequently, on October lôth, on affidavit of one of the 
proctors, setting forth that when the said process was served 
the garnishee had no credits or efïeets of the respondent, but 
that it now holds such credits and effects acquired since that 
time, an alias process was dîreeted by the court to issue, and 
an attachaient, was again levied by themarshal on. the credits 
and effects of the respondent in the hands of the garnishee. 
'Oh't'He feftirn-day of' thîe seicond process neither the respond- 
ent nor the garnishee appeared, and a second interlocutory 
decree and order of reference to a commissioner were entered. 
Testimony was taken before the referee, his report made and 
filed, costs taxed, and the final decree eneered October 20ih. ' On 
October 25th an order to show cause on affidavit was granted 
to the proctor for the respondent why the final decree and the 
process should not be vacated, or, if not vaeated, why the re- 
spondent shouldnot beallowed to appear herein and answer, 
etc. , _ 
. Samuel W. Weiss, for respondent. 
Beebe, Wilcox &amp; Hobbs, ior libellant. 
Choate, D. J. The return of the marshal to the process 
■shows that he made diligent aearch for the principal defend- 
ant and could not find him. The moving affidavits raise such 
question of the truth of this return that if it were material 
an inquiry would be ordered. But I think the order of the 
court that an alias issue, made on proof by affidavit that the 
court had acquired no jurisdiction by reason of having made 
no attachment, must be deemed to have vacated in effect the 
first interlocutory decree. .It treats that decree as a nuUity. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/860</title>
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void on account of the defect in the libel, which was an error, 
as I think. But he now shows that he may have a def enoe 
on the merita. 
Default opened as to principal defendant and garnishee, on 
payingthe fees and expenses paid upon the reference ; the prin- 
cipal defendant to file his answer, setting up defence ref erred 
to in his affidavit, within five days after entering order on this 
memorandum, and stipulating that the issues be referred to a 
commissioner for trial; either party, however, being atliberty 
to make any application to the court that he may be advised, 
in consequence of the libel being unsigned except by &quot;Beebe, 
Wilcox &amp; Hobbs,&quot; proctors, on one day'a notice. 
Bmith V. Steamer Joshua Levines. 
(ektriet Court, 8. D. Nei» York. December28, 1880.) 
1. Wagbs— Intoxication— EvTDBNCB. 
C. H. Williams, for libellant. 
C. E. Croivell, for claimant. 
Choate, D. J. This is a suit for -wages during the years 
1877, 1878, and 1879. The libellant alleges a special agree- 
ment to pay him $100 v. month during the time the vessel 
was running. He served as engineer and fireman. The 
promise to pay the libellant $100 a month is prOved, but the 
claimant has attempted to show that he was so intoxicated 
when he made the promise that he did not know what he 
was doing. I think the weight of the testimony is against 
the claimant on this point, and the libellant is entitled to 
recover his wages at that rate. His wages amount to $2,030 
between September 1, 1877, and February 11, 1879. He 
admits that the claimant is entitled to credits, which reduce 
the amount to $810.29, for which sum, with interest from 
February 11, 1879, with costs, the libellant is entitled to a 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/866</title>
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the jurisdiction ,of this court :set ont the fact, in substance, 
that one G. B. Maury had oti the tbird instant, set on foot a 
suit in the said chancery court of Eichmond, and exhibited 
his bill there against the defendajnt company and Blakey, the 
trustee, for purposes similar to those sought by the proceed- 
ing in this court. It has been shown that in neither of the 
two suits in the chancery court of Eichmond has the cause 
proceeded to issue; that those suits are still at rules; that 
that court has not appointed a receiver or taken custody of the 
res,^that is to say, the effects of the defendant company, — 
or made any order by whioh it took cognizance or assumed 
jurisdiction of the controversy between the parties to the re- 
spective suits; and that the parties there are not the same as 
the parties to the suit here. It bas been ehpwn that the 
nature and objecta of the suits in the chancery court of Eich- 
mond are different fronj those of the suit here. The Maury 
bill is filed in his own name 9,]one, although he asks for all 
proper accounts, for a receiver, and that all creditors may be 
ascertained, the f und colieeted and distributed, and the deed 
set aside. It asks for a personal decree for the amount 
Maury has paid the company, on the ground that it hasfor- 
feited its contract by refusing to give him a paid-up pçilicy in 
«xchange for his originalpqlicy. It makes the company and 
the trustee alone parties' defendant, although leave is asked 
to make all the directors.çind stockholders parties hereafter 
when their names shaU be ascertained. 
The Blakey bill, a copy of which is filed in this court, 
though the original is not yet filed in the chancery court of 
Eichmond, asks the assistance of the court to carryinto efifect 
the provisions of the trust deed. On the other hand, the suit 
in this court asks, in the name of the complainants and of all 
creditors who may corne in, for the special and general relief 
usually asked in creditors' bills, that the trust deed shall be 
set aside, that the funds be colieeted and distributed, and that 
a receiver be appointed; and it makes the company, the trus- 
tee, and the stockholders all parties defendant. I overruled 
the objections raised by the two pleas on the foUowing 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/870</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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said Jennings, and payable to said Irby, for $10,000, and fall- 
ing due January 1, 1879. The note recited on its face that 
it was given for part of the purchase priee of the Glade mines, 
in Hall county, Georgia. Uponthis note the defendant paid, 
on December 81, 1878, the sum of $5,000 principal, and all 
the interest due up to that date ; and, by an indorsement 
made on the mortgage by the payee of said note, the time for 
the payment of the note was extended to January 1, 1880. 
The bill alleged that in January, 1879, Henry Irby, the 
payee of said note, assigned said note and mortgage to the 
complainant Eoyal B. Hicks, and delivered the same to the 
complainant Sarah Jane Hicks, who was his daughter, as an 
advancement to her out of his estate, and the same was then 
and there accepted by her as such; that on February 20, 
1879, said Henry Irby departed this life, and afterwards, on 
April 7, 1879, John F. Irby, who was a son, and C. L. 
Walker, who was a son-in-law, of said Henry Irby, for the 
purpose of carrying out the wishes of said Henry Irby in ref- 
erence to said note, signed a transfer of all their interest in 
the same to complainant Eoyal B. Hicks, and authorized 
him to reçoive the money due on the same. The considera- 
tion of tbis transfer by John F. Irby and Walker was an 
agreement on the part of Sarah Jane Hicks to accept said 
note as an advancement, and account for the same in the final 
settlement of Henry Irby 's estate; and the complainants, 
Hicks and wife, agreed to pay over to John F. Irby, and to 
C. L. Walker, for his wife, Agnes Walker, $10,000 belonging 
to the estate of Henry Irby, then on deposit in a bauk in the 
city of Atlanta. Of tbis sum $5,000 was actually paid on 
July 18, 1879. 
The defence relied on is stated substantially as follows: 
On April 27, 1877, the defendant entered into a contract in 
writing with the said Henry Irby for the purchase of cer- 
tain mining lands in Georgia, then owned by said Irby. 
There were two tracts in Hall county, known respectively as 
the Glade mines and Cbapman mines, each containing 1,000 
acres, and lying contiguous to each other, and all designated 
as the Glade mines in said contract ; and lot No. 133 of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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from its being true that said lot contained a valuaMe silver 
mine, there was not a trace of silver or other precious metal 
to be found upon said land, and, so far from its being worth 
$15,000 or $20,000, it was not worth more thanthree dollars 
an acre, — in the aggregate about $600; and he claims that 
thence, by reason of said fraud, there should be no decree for 
complainants on said note and mortgage. 
D. F. Hammond and W. B. Hammond, for complainants. 
J. B. Estes, Claude Estes, and L. J. Gartrell, for defend- 
ant. 
Woods, C. J. The eTidence leaves no doubt that Henry 
Irby, in his treaty with Jennings for a sale of the lands, men- 
tioned in the answer of defendant, fraudulently misrepre- 
eented the value of lot 133 in Fulton county. The fact that a 
careful examination of the lot, and an assay of ores found 
Bpon it, shows that not a trace of any precious metal exists 
upon it, stamps the statements made by Irby to Jennings, 
in reference to its value, with falsehood and fraud. So far 
from being worth $15,000 or $20,000, on account of the depos- 
its of silver to be found on it, as asserted by Irby, it is not 
worth over $500 or $600. Irby must have known that his 
representation was false, for he told Jennings that he had 
procured an assay of the ore taken by himself from the lot 
to be made, and that it proved to be rich in silver. The evi- 
dence shows that the lot 133 formed at least a third of the 
entire consideration given for ail the lands sold by Irby to 
Jennings. If this suit were prosecuted by Irby, and if it were 
based on a note given for the purchase priee of lot 133, there 
could be no question that the defence set up in the answer 
and established by the proof, showing the wilful fraud and 
misrepresentation of Irby, ought to prevail. But the suit is 
for f oreelosiire of a mortgage, exeeuted to secure a note, given, 
as expressed on its face, for the purchase money of the Glade 
mines, and it is prosecuted, not by Irby, but by one of his 
beirs, to whom he transferred the note in his life-time, and 
who, at the time of the fcransfer and since his death, has 
agreed to consider it as an advancement on his share of his 
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suit to foreclose were proseouted by Irby, be set up against 
his heirs and distributees ? The transfer of the note by Henry 
Irby in his life-time to Sarah Jane Hicks, his daughter, was 
not for value ; it was a mere gif t. The rule is that a nego- 
tiable instrument, in order to be operative in the hands of an 
indorsee as against equities and defences existing between 
the maker and payee^ must have been taken by the indorsee 
for value; that is, he must have parted with something valu- 
able therefor at the time of the transfer. Park Bank v. Wat- 
son, 42 N. Y. 490. 
Neither Sarah Jane Hicks nor her husband, Royal B. Hicks, 
paid anything for the note at the time of its transfer by 
Henry Irby. They parted with nothing of value as a con- 
sideration for the transfer. The same defences against the 
note were therefore open to the maker as if it had remained 
in the hands of the original payee. The agreement made 
between Hicks and wife, and the other heirs and distributees 
of Irby's estate, after Irby's death, did not change the terms 
on whioh Hicks and wife had received the transfer of the note 
and mortgage. They agreed to consider them as an advance- 
ment, and they had received them from Henry Irby as an 
advancement. The oontract between them and the other 
heirs and distributees provided that in case of any recovery 
against the estate of Henry Irby, reducing the distributive 
shares of the heirs, they, the said heirs, would &quot;refund their 
pro rata shares of such recovery to an extent sufEcient to 
save indemnified and harmless the legatees of said estate, 
and make all parties interested therein equal.&quot; A fair con- 
struction of this oontract would require, in case of a faiiure 
to collect the note in suit by reason of the defences set up, 
the answer that the residue of the estate should be equally 
divided between all the distributees, so as to give each an equal 
share. In any view that may be taken, the complainants 
neither paid nor surrendered anything of value for the trans- 
fer of the note and mortgage. The same defences are there- 
fore open to the maker of the note as if the suit were prose- 
cuted by Henry Irby in person. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/876</title>
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Wasd V. Paducah &amp; Memphis E. Co. 
(Circuit Court, W. D. Tennessee. , 1880.) 
1. Pbactice in Equitt — Rbfbkbncb. — A case should not be referred to 
a master uatil the issues made by the pleadings have been settled by 
a decree. It is not proper to try those issues upon exceptions to the 
master's report. 
2. ToBTS— Damagk to Crops bt Animals of thb Owner— WHEif Ad- 
JomiNO Pbopeietob Liablb. — If crops be damaged by the animals 
of the owner, an adjoining proprietor can only be liable when, by 
some prescription, contract, or statutory duty, such liability ia imposed 
on him. 
3. Railhoads — Fence Law— Cattle-Guakds.— The ordinary fence laws 
of Tennessee do not apply to railroad companies, and there is neither 
a common-Iaw nor statutory obligation on them to construct or main- 
tain cattle-guards for the protection of crops growing on the culti- 
vated lands through which their roads pass. Neither was the act of 
1875, c. 64, intended to apply to railroad companies, although the land 
on which the track is built is within &quot; one general enclosure,&quot; made 
by joining the fences of the farmer to the cattle-guards of the 
railroad. These laws were intended for adjoining land owners engaged 
in agriculture, who are mutually benefited as well as bound by 
them. 
4. Same— Implibd Cokteact. — In the absence of a contract, or charter 
obligation, or some statutory duty to maintain cattle-guards, none 
will be implied from the fact that the company bas constructed them 
along the line of road where it enters and leaves cultivated flelds, 
unless the lapse of time has raised the presumption of a grant or 
coveuant. 
B. COHTRIBUTOST NEGlilOBNCI! — SlRATINa ANIMALS— D0TT DP THB OWN- 
BK OP THE Gbop. — The owner of crops, having knowledge that stray- 
ing animals may pass over defective cattle-guards and destroy the 
crops, cannot recover for their destruction without using every means 
an ordinarily prudent person would use to protect them. It ia con- 
tributory negligence not to do this. 
In Equity. 
Finlay e Peters, for petitioner. 
Gantt e Patterson, for defendants. 
Hammond, D. J. The practice adopted in this case, of 
referring the petition to a master before any decree settling 
the rights of the parties upon the issues made by the plead- 
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and, &quot;if A, and B. bave lands adjoining, where there îs no 
enclosure, the one shall have trespasa against the other on 
the escape of their beasts respectively.&quot; Id. 28. 
This would seem to preclude the idea of one having a cause 
of action against another for trespasses by one's own cattle 
on one's own land or crops, unless there be some extraordi- 
nary liability, growing ont of other obligations than those 
imposed upon adjoining land owners towards each other. 
Mr. Addison says that the making of a fence by a land owner 
does not raise any inference that the fence was intended for 
the benefit of his neighbor, although the fence prevents his 
neighbor's beasts from trespassing as well as his own, for it 
is for his own beneiît to prevent his beasts from trespassing 
on his neighbor. 1 Add. Torts, (4th Ed.) 149. And, where 
statutes or self-interest require him to protect his land with 
fences from straying cattle, still less can there be any infer- 
ence from the mere building of the fence that there is an im- 
plied contraet to maintain it for the benefit of his neighbor 
who happons to be protected by it. There may be, unques- 
tionably, a valid prescription binding the owner of land to 
maintain perpetually the fence between him and the adjoin- 
ing proprietor, but, in the absence of some covenant or grant, 
this servitude can only be established, like other prescrip- 
tions, by long-continued, peaceable, and uninterrupted enjoy- 
ment for the length of time necessary to raise the presump- 
tion of a grant or covenant. Id. and notes; Id. 96, and 
notes. 
The petitioner here might, in consideration of her grant 
of the right of way, have imposed this obligation on the Com- 
pany, or she might have demanded as a consideration money 
enough to cover the costs of the necessary fences in the 
changed condition of her fields; but, not having used this pre- 
caution, she cannot supply the want of it by any implication 
of a contraet imposing the obligation. 
An American railway company is not bound to fence its 
railway, as an American farmer is bound to fence his fields, 
and in the absence of statutes imposing the obligation it does 
not exist. Railroad v. Skinner, 19 Pa. St. 298, 303 ; Clark v.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 4.djvu/902</title>
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ohattels, so their whole value may be recovered in trover. 
Angîer y. Taunton Manuf'g Co. 1 Gray, 621 ; Brown v. Haynes, 
52 Maine, 578; Duncan v. Stone, 45 Vt. 118. The rule is 
harsh, and there would, perhaps, be a reœedj in equity; but, 
unfortunately, the value of a cow, or of a little f urniture, is 
too Blight to bear the expanse of such a proceeding. 
This case differa from thoae, in the vital particular that 
the parties here have agreed on the measnre of damages. If 
the plaintilï took the goods by replevin, he must account for 
their value after paying his debt; and if he recovered the 
whole in trover, he must immediately pay the surplus to the 
defendants. 1 have little doubt that the contract was thus 
written, or that the form which was followed was adopted 
for the very purpose of avoiding the injustice which might 
folio w from an enforcenlent of the strict rule of the common 
law. And it is effectuai for that purpose. 
I find no error in any of the rulings of the referee. I agree 
with him that the interest on the plaintiff's debt should be 
reckoned at the stipulated rate of 7 per cent. 
Judgment for the plaintiff. 
United States v. Nte and another.* 
{Circuit Court, S. J). Oliio. Novembcr 20, 1880.) 
1. Ckiminai, PR0CBDI3B — CoMMON Law. — In the absence of statutory 
provisions the United States courts, in the administration of criaiinal 
law, are governed by the rules of the common law. 
2. Same — Indictment — Joindee of Offenchs — Misdemeanohs— Sbctioîi 
1024, U. 8. Rev. St.— At common law, and by section 1024, U. S. Rev. St., 
several distinct misdemeanors may be joined in the same indictmeat. 
&amp;. Indictment pob MisrsrNG the Post-Office — Sectiok 5480, U. S. 
,Rev. St.— Coîjstbuctioiî. — The latter clause of section 5480, U. S. 
Rev. St., providing that &quot;the indlctment * • * may severally 
charge offences to the number of three when committed within the 
same six calendar months,&quot; Is not a part of the description of tiie 
oflence ; the oflence is completely deflned in the former part of the 
section, and this clause relates only to the procedure. 
•Reported by Florien Glauque and J. C. Harper, of the Cincinnati bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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prepare his indictments — that he shall not combine in a 
single indictment more than three separate offencea. 
I may say, under the former administration ôf the criminal 
practice, and in many of the states now, the district attorney 
prepares his indictments prior to the sitting of the grand jury, 
and submits the paper thus prepared, or the separate and dis- 
tinct counts, if he has more than one, with the offenees f ully 
described, and the grand jury ignores the whole indictment, 
or several of the counts thereof, and returns such portions of 
it as they think may be established by the testimony ; but such 
is not the pradtice of the United States courts; as I under- 
stand it. 
This clause only relates to the procedure and punishment; 
and, while it limits the number of offenees which may ba 
joined, it doea not, as in some of the English statutes, pro- 
vide what -the procedure shall be in case the limit should be 
exceeded, or what the consequences of exceeding the limit 
should be upon the rights either of the government or of the 
defendant, 
It is claimed, however, that the eiïect of it is to make the 
indictment absolutely worthless and void. If that be so, then 
this indictment must either be quashed or held bad upon 
demurrer. Let us see whether this is the inevitable effect of 
this statute. At common law there could be no joinder of 
separate and distinct felonies. That was as well established, 
at one period at least of the administration of the criminal 
law, as if there had been an express statute forbidding the 
joinder of separate and distinct felonies in the Same indict- 
ment. And yet it was never supposed that the joinder of 
several felonies destroyed the validity of the indictment. 
While the courts -would not permit the party to be tried for 
two or more felonies in the same indictment, they would not 
quash the indictment, but would compel the prosecutor to 
elect the felony he would prooeed to trial upon. The rule is 
laid down in Wharton, § 216. At common law, in a case of 
that character, it was always within the power of the prose- 
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In Equity. 
Coburn e Thaeker, Thomas H. Dodge, Benjamin F. Thurs- 
ton, Offield &amp; Towle, West de Bond, Laivrence, Campbell e Law- 
rence, Charles Mason, Hiram P. Dillon, and Miller e Godfrey, 
for oomplainants. 
George Paysan, N. C. Gridley, Munday e Evarts, George 
Christy, and Albert H. Walker, for defendant. 
Dbxjmmond, C, J. These are two of a series of 14 cases 
brought by the plaintiff upon the chancery aide of this court, 
for an injunction and damages by reason of the alleged 
infringement by defendant of certain patenta owned by the 
complainants, relating to barbed fence wire. By the first suit 
the plaintiffs allege that they are the owners of the following 
patents, issued by the United States : (1) Patent No. 67,117, 
issued July 23, 1867, to William D, Hunt, and re-issued, No. 
6,976, March 7, 1876, to Charles Kennedy, assignee of Wil- 
liam D. Hunt; (2) patent No. 150,683, issued May 12, 1874, 
to Joseph H. Glidden, and re-issued, No. 6,913, February 8, 
1876, to said Glidden; (3) patent No. 66,182, dated June 23, 
1867, issued to Lucien B. Smith, and re-issued. No. 7,136, 
dated May 23,1876; (4) patent No. 157,124, dated November 
24, 1874, issued to J. P. Glidden, — all of which patents, it is 
charged, have been duly assigned by mesne assignments to 
the plaintiffs, the Washburn &amp; Moen Manufacturing Com- 
pany and Isaac L. Elwood. 
The patents involved in the second suit are as follows : (1) 
Patent No. 74,369, issued to Miehael Kelly, dated February 
11, 1868, and re-isaued, No. 6,902, dated February 9, 1876; 
(2) patent No. 84,062, dated November 17, 1868, issued to 
Miehael Kelly, and re-issued, No. 7,035, dated April 4, 1876; 
(3) patent No 153,965, issued to Charles Kennedy, dated 
August 11, 1874, — the title to all of which patents bas, it is 
claimed, been, by mesne assignment from the respective pat- 
entees, duly vested in the complainant, the Washburn &amp; Moen 
Manufacturing Company. 
The defences set up are — •(!) A deniai of the patent- 
ability of the devices in question, because, from the state 
of the art, it only requires mechanical skill, and net in-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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one oannot exîst without the other, the existence of the one 
may be presumed on proof of the existence of the other. Where 
the utility is proved to exist in any degree, a sufficiency of 
invention to support the patent must be presumed. We do 
not say the single fact that a device has gone into general use, 
and bas displaced other devices which had previoiisly been 
employed for analogous uses, establishes in ail cases that the 
later device involves a patentableinvention. It may, however, 
always be considered; and, when the other facts in the case 
leave the question in doubt, it is suffieient to turn the scale.&quot; 
So in Eppinger v. Riche y, le Blatchf. 307, Judge Shipman 
said: &quot;Two facts exist in this case: one is that an impor- 
tant improvement bas been attained; the second is that the 
improvement is in a staple article which bas been manufac- 
tured in this country for a long series of years. * * * The 
utility pf the patented article bas been evinced by its largesales. 
* * The inventer evidently gave to the public an article 
which: it wanted, and which it had not previously known. 
Without giving to the general use of the invention as a test 
of its patentability any greater importance than the supreme 
court in the case of Smith v. Goodyear Dental Vulcanite Co. 
(above quoted) indicate sbould be given to this circumstance, 
I am of the opinion that the facts in the case fully establish 
the conclusions : (1) That however simple the change in the 
method of manufacture apparently may bave been.yet it was 
a change which required invention for its accomplishment ; 
and (2) that the improvement resulting from the cbanged 
method of manufacture bas been so great that the article 
which is produeed is, within the meaning of the patent aots, 
a new and useful article of manufacture.&quot; 
Mr. Justice Shepley said, in the case of Isaacs v. Ahrams, 
14 0. G. 862 : &quot;A change in the form of a machine or instru- 
ment, though slight, if it works a successful resuit, not before 
accomplished in a similar way, in the art to which it is ap- 
plied, or in any other, is patentable.&quot; 
Judge Shipman said, in Stanley Works v. Sargent, 8 Blatchf. 
346: &quot;Utility is not an infallible test of originality. The 
patent law requircs a thing to bo new as well as useful in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the wirea, was that of Glidden's earlier patent; and by group- 
ing ail these devices into one finished wire a resuit is ob- 
tained substantially like that shown in the final Glidden 
patent of November, 1874. There was nothing new in Glid- 
den's last patent, and no room for the claim of invention in 
the wire therein provided: 
In the suits brought by the Washbum &amp; Moen Manufac- 
turing Company and Isaac L. Elwood against Haish, the 
defendant is charged with infringement of the Hunt patent, 
the Smith patent, and the two Glidden patents. As already 
said, we consider the Smith patent and the last Glidden 
patent as unworthy of further consideration in connection 
with this case. 
The proof shows that the defendant Haish manufactured 
a twisted fence wire, armed with a wire barb eut diagonally, 
so as to leave the points sharp, and which is bent in the form 
of an S, so as to clasp both wires and extend the sharp points 
in opposite directions from the wire. 
Defendant claims that even if the Hunt, Kelly, and Glid- 
den patents are valid, he does not infringe, because his barb 
dififers easentially from the barb of either of the complain- 
ants' patents mainly in the fact that it cannot be used except 
in combination with a wire of at least two strands. Assum- 
ing the validity of the re-issue of Hunt, Kelly, and Glidden, 
there can be no doubt that Haish infringes Hunt's claim for 
&quot;a fence wire provided with spurs&quot; or barbs. It also in- 
fringes Kelly's idea of a rigid or fixed barb, held in place by 
the twisting of two wires together ; and Glidden's barb, made 
by bending a short piece of wire around the fence wire so as 
to leave the two sharp ends projecting to form the spurs or 
barbs i 
Glidden's device for forming the barb is undoubtedly a 
very simple one, and rests very close to the border line be- 
tween mechanical skill and invention. After Hunt had made 
barbs by cutting sheet meta! into stars, or spur-pcrinted 
wheels, to be strung upon the wire by a hole through the'mid- 
dle, the points of the spurs boing neoessarily obtained by cut- 
ting the metal diagonally at the periphery of his wheel, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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CASES REPOIiTED. 
Page 
St. Louia Nat. Bank v. Allen. . . 551 
Santiago de Cuba, The Scotts 
Greys v 369 
Santiago de Cuba v. The Scotts 
Greys 369 
Sauls, In re 715 
Savannah, Florida &amp; Western 
R. Co., Tilley v 641 
Schooner Henry D. Brewster. . . 121 
ScottsGreys,SantiagodeCubav. 369 
Scotts Greys v. The Santiago de 
Cuba 369 
Secombe v. Campbell 804 
Selden, Howards v 465 
Beliers, Spangler v 882 
Shainwald v. Lewis 510 
Sheridan, Whalen v 436 
Ship Naval Reserve, Boult v. . . 209 
Ship Suliote, Murphy v 99 
Smith, Andrews v 833 
Smith, Miller v 359 
South. Mountain Consolidated 
Mining Co. , In re 403 
Smith V. Mut. Life Ins. Co. of 
New York 582 
Smith, Paige v 340 
Spangler v. Sellors 882 
Stanley v. Board of Sup'rs Al- 
bany Co 254 
Stapler,NoveltyPaperBoxCo.v. 919 
Steam-boat Laura, Pollock v. . . 133 
Steamer Adirondack, The. ..... 213 
Steamer Charles P. Chouteau, 
New Harbor Protection Co. v. 463 
Steamer Leipsic, The 108 
Steam Ferry-boat Hackensack. 121 
Steam-ship Belgenland, Jen- 
sen V 86 
Steam-ship Powhatan, May v. . 375 
Steamship Zodiac, The 220 
Steam-tr g Emma J. Kennedj', 
Duanev 206 
Steam-tugs Jessie Russcll and 
Atalanta, Gray v 639 
Stewart v. C. &amp; O. Canal Co.. . . 149 
Stewart v. Mahoney 302 
Stowell, Allis v 203 
Strouse, Marye v 483, 494 
Succession of Wilson, Chap- 
man v 305 
Bwan V. Robinson 287 
Swedish Bark Adolph, The 114 
Teal, Third Nat. Bank of Balti- 
more v 503 
Teal, Walker v 317 
Third Nat. Bank of Baltimore 
V. Teal 503 
Thirty-two Bnriels of Distilled 
Spirits, United States V 188 
Page 
Tilley v. Savannah, Florida &amp; 
Western R. Co 641 
Town of Bochester, Burleigh v. 667 
Townsend, Darling v 176 
Trustees of Porter Township, 
Northern Nat. Bank of Tole- 
do, Ohio, v 568 
Tucker v, Burditt 808 
Tucker v. Corbin 810 
Turtle, Blair v 394 
Two Hundred and Fifty Tons of 
Sait Laden on Board the 
Sohooner Barbara F. Latimer. 216 
Union Central Life Ins Co., 
Gardner v 430 
Union Pacific Ry. Co., Dakin v. 665 
United States v. Bain 192 
United States v. County of 
Knox 556 
United States v. De Quilfeldt. . . 276 
United States v. Farrington .... 343 
United States v. Four Stand 
Caaks, etc 438 
United States v. Haas 29 
United States v. Kindred 43 
United States v. Leake 343 
United States v. Poole 412 
Dnited States v. Richards 343 
United States v. Thirty-two Bar- 
rels of Distilled Spirits 188 
UphoS V. Chicago, St. L. &amp; N. 
O. R. Co.... 545 
Vernia, In re 723 
Waggouer, In re 914 
Waldron, Jackson v 245 
Walker. BlackweU v. 419 
Walker, Omaha Nat. Bank v. . . 399 
WUker V. Teal 317 
Wann v. KelJy 584 
West Po'ntPrecinct, Blair V... 265 
Whalen v. Sheridan 436 
Wheelor, In re 299 
Wickwire v. The Ferry-boat 
Montana and the Tug R. 8. 
Conover 383 
Wilson V. Queen Ins. Co. of Liv- 
erpool &amp; London 674 
Wilt V. Grier 450 
Wirth, Bierbauer v 336 
Wood, In re 443 
Woven Wire Mattress Co. v. 
Palmer 812 
Wright, Darling v 176 
Wright, Havemcyer v 773 
Wright, Norrington v 768 
Zollars V. Evans 172&lt;noinclude&gt;
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controversîea in the suit authorizes its removal upon the 
application of either of the parties thereto; that is, all of the 
parties on either side of them. 
But Hawkett did not apply for the removal, and although 
he has now no interest in the subject-matter of the suit, and 
mightj therefore, be regarded as a mere nominal party, still, 
as it is claimed that he is personally liable to the plaintifï in 
this suit, upon bis alleged promise to pay the debts assumed 
by Hawkett &amp; Kobinson at the time they purchased the 
property, it -wiU be assumed that the cause was not removable 
under the first clause of the section. 
The second clause of the section has not been passed upon 
by the supreme court, but in Taylor v. Rockefdler, 18 Law Eeg. 
301, Mr. Justice Strong expresses the opinion that under this 
clause, whenever, in a suit mentioned in the section, there is 
a controversy, even if it is not the main controversy therein, 
which is wholly between citizens of different states, and 
whioh ca,n be fully determined as between them, then any one 
of the plaintiffs or defendants actually interested in such con- 
troversy may remove the suit into the circuit court. He 
says : &quot;The right of removal is given where any one of those 
controversies is wholly between citizens of different states, 
and can be fully determined as between them, though there 
may be other defendants actually interested in other contro- 
versies embraced in the suit. The clause, 'a controversy 
which can be fully determined as between them,' read in 
connection with the other words, 'actually interested in such 
controversy,' implies that there may be other parties to the 
suit, and even necessary parties, who are not entitled to ' 
remove it. • • * Indeed, according to the literal reading 
of the statute, (a reading quite in harmony with the constitu- 
tion,) the right of removal and the jurisdiction of this court 
exist, though the controversy between the plaintiffs and 
defendants, who are the petitioners for the removal, be not 
the main controversy in the case. » • * A.nd there is no 
necessary embarrassment attending such removal. The entire 
suit is removed because of the controversy it involves between 
citizens of different states, and the circuit court, having&lt;noinclude&gt;
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cisions of the supreme court of the United States upon thia 
eubject. 
It is claimed, on the part of the original defendant, that 
this case is likô that of The St. Louis, Alton e Terre Haute 
R. Co. V. The Indianapolis d St. Louis R. Co. 12 Leg. News, 
73, and therefore that case, in principle, decides this, because 
it was there held that the federal court had jurisdiction. 
That was an original bill filed by a corporation of the state 
of Illinois against corporations of Indiana and Pennsylvania, 
the Indiana corporations being Consolidated, it is true, with 
a corporation of Illinois, the plaintiff in the suit. This is 
not a suit brought by a New York corporation, an integral 
part of this Consolidated company, against an Illinois corpo- 
ration, but it is a suit brought by an lUinois corporation 
against another Illinois corporation, an integral part of a 
Consolidated company of which the New York corporation 
also constitutes a part. It may be that where there is a 
consolidation under the laws of different states of the corpo- 
rations of those states operating a railroad, that one of the 
corporations can file a bill in equity in the federal court for 
the protection and maintenance of its own interests against 
another corporation, part of the Consolidated company, and 
created by a different state from that of the plaintiff. But 
that is not this case. It cannot be said that this is a contro- 
versy wholly between citizens of different states, because it 
is a controversy between two citizens of Illinois, each being 
a corporation of Illinois, and therefore it is a controversy in 
part only between the corporation plaintiff and the corpora-. 
tion defendant that seeks the removal of the cause. 
Neither is this case like that of The Northwestern Ry. Co. 
V. The Chicago e Pacific R. Co. 7 Leg. News, 57, where the 
plaintiff, although Consolidated with a corporation of Illinois, 
sued as a corporation of Wisconsin. 
The principle contended for, as I understand, by the de- 
fendant in the original suit, amounts to this : That, because 
a person is sued in a state court by a citizen of that state, 
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cause of action to the present plaintiff, who was substituted 
upon the record as plaintiff, and, being a citizen of Colorado, 
thereafter moved for and obtained an order of removal on the 
ground of the citizenship of the parties. 
It is conceded that, unless the case presents a federal ques- 
tion, — of which I will speak presently, — the plaintiff could not 
have brought his suit originally in this court ; but it is insisted 
that, inasmuch as the second section of the act above named, 
which provides for the removal of causes from the state to 
the federal courts, does not contain the prohibition against 
Buits by assignees, a case of this character may be brought here 
by rismoval, The somewhat analogous sections of the judi- 
ciary act of 1789 (sections 11 and 12) were considered by the 
supreme court in Bushnell v. Kennedy, 9 Wall. 387. In that 
case the Jiourt said : &quot;The restriction in the eleventh section is 
not found in the twelfth ; nor does the reason for the restric- 
tion exist. In the eleventh section its office was to prevent 
frauds upon the jurisdictipn, and vexation of defendants, by 
assignments made for the purpose of having suits brought in the 
name of assignees, but in reality for the benefit of assignors. 
In the twelfth it would have no office, for the removal of suits 
could not operate as a fraud on jurisdiction, and was a privi- 
lege of defendants, not a hardship upon them.&quot; 
It is manifest that this reasoning has no application to the 
act of March 3, 1875, which gives the right of removal to 
either party. Under the judiciary act, inasmuch as the privi- 
lege of removal belonged only to the defendant, it was, as the 
supreme court well said, impossible for plaintiffs to perpetrate 
frauds upon the jurisdiction by assigning claims to non-resi- 
dents for the purpose of having suit brought in the state 
court and removed thence to the federal courts. A plaintiff 
could not romove a case under that act. But, under the act 
of 1876, since either party may remove, it is evident that great 
frauds upon our jurisdiction may be perpetrated with impunity, 
if the assignee of any claim founded on contract may insti- 
tute suit in a state court, and at once remove the cause to this 
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so stated in the petiiion for removal, but we are not bound by 
that statement. We are at liberty to look into the record and 
determine from that what the oontroversy is, and whether it 
involves a federal question. The plaintiff here sues to re- 
cover taxes erroneously levied and collected by the authorities 
of Douglas county. The statute of the state gives the right 
of action. No question under any act of congress can arise. 
The fact that there is a decree of this court establishing the 
invalidity of the taxes in question does not change the char- 
acter of the suit. That decree is simply an item of evidence 
in the case,, and its conclusiveness, its construction, or its 
effect does not require the construction of any law of the 
United States. We do not decide upon the question whether 
this case was &quot;brought&quot; in the district court of Douglas county 
within the meaning of the first section of the act of 1875. It 
was instituted as a claim against the county, presented to 
and prosecuted to a decision before the board of county com- 
missioners of that county, from whose decision rejecting the 
claim an appeal was prosecuted to the district court. Thea© 
facts present a question of some doubt as to whether the suit 
was &quot;brought&quot; — that is, instituted, commenced — in the district ' 
court; and if it was not, it was not removable. But the con- 
clusions reached upon the other points in the case render a 
decision of this question unnecessary. 
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people of the state, and one-Half tô the party grieved thereby. 
By the tenth section of the: act ità: application is restricted to 
BuitBwhere the penalty is^rfey statiute, gi*eii to any person 
suing for the same. Jones y. Varick, R. Y. Laws, 1S8. This 
law continued in force at the time of the ;r€vi8ion of the laws 
in 1813. 1 Eev. Laws. N. Y. 99, 103. It waa expressly 
repealed upon the enactment of the Eeyised Statutes. 3 
Eev. St. (2d Ed.) 149, I have. not. been able to discover that 
before the passage of the Eevised Stakites it had been modi- 
fied, It will be observed .that in inoorpojating the act of 
1788 into the Eevised Statutes the provision ais to indorse- 
ment was changed. Instead of an indorsement of the title 
of the'statute giving the penalty, the indorsement to bejnade 
is a general reference to the statute, and in the foUowing fqrm : 
&quot;According to the provisioris of the statute regulating the rate 
ofinterest on money,&quot; etc.j as the case may require, or in 
some other general terras referring to such statute. This 
change is more apparent than real. By embodying ail gen- 
erai laws then in force in a few new acts, constituting together 
the Eevised Statutes, each of these new acts embracing a 
great number of existing prior statutes, a reference in the 
indorsement to the title of the new act would not give the 
information designed by the act of 178-8 to be conveyed to 
the defendant Bued. Instead, thei'efore, of referring to the 
title, the new provision is, in substance, that reference shall 
be made to that portion of the Eevised Statutes in which the 
the former act re-appears, or to such other statute as might 
subsequently be enacted under which the action is brought. 
The penalties on the clerk for issuing such defective process, 
and on the plaintifE for suing it out, seem not to have been 
re-enacted in the Eevised Statutes ; at least, I have not been 
able to discover them there. But the requirement of an in- 
dorsement was still continued, and has never been repealed. 
Having reference to the origin of this requirement, and the 
title and provisions of the law of 1788 by which it appears to 
have originated, .and espeoially the penalties imposed for a 
failure thua to indorse the process, it is seen that by that law 
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from consenting to the discharge. It would seem tLat there 
ought not to be any difficulty or doubt about such a ques- 
tion. It bas been settled for a long time. The crediter 
holds the bond of the bankrupt as an evidence of the bank- 
rupt's indebtedness to him. The only security -which the 
act requires him to surrender, before he proves bis claim 
in order to participate in the dividends of the estate, is 
a &quot;mortgage or pledge of real or personal property of the 
bankrupt.&quot; Ses section 5075, U. S. Eev. St. He may re- 
tain whatever other security he is fortunate enough to have, 
and may look to and exhaust ail the sources of payment which 
he holds, until his claim is fully satisfied. Such was the 
dictum of Lord Chaneellor Hardwick, in 1743, in Ex parte 
Bennett, 2 Atk. 527; and such has been the uniform ruling 
of the English and American courts in bankrnptcy c^ses from 
that day to this. Exparte Pwrr, 18 Ves. 65 ; English v. Bra- 
ley, 2 Bos. &amp; Pul. 62; In re Babcock, 3 Story, 393; In re 
Cram, 1 N. B. E. 504; In re Dunkerson, 4 Biss, 253; In re 
Anderson, 12 N. B. E. 502. 
The bankrupt is entitled to his discharge. 
In re Estes &amp; Cabter. 
(Cir&amp;uit Oov/rt, D. Oregon. December 13, 1880.) 
1, IfRADDUl-ENT CONVBTAIICll — SUBSHQtrEIiT JUDGMBNT— LtEN. — The Stat- 
ute of Oregon coneerning fraudaient conveyanoes provides, among 
other things, that erery conveyance of any estate in lands &quot; made 
with intent to hinder, delay, or defraud creditors of their lawful 
demands, * * * as against the person so hindered, delayed, or 
defrauded, shall he void,&quot; Bdd, under this statute, that until the 
conveyarice is set aside a mere equitable right remains in the creditor, 
■which he may or may not enforce, and until he does enforce it the 
estate is in the grantee, and upon it a judgment creditor aciiuirea no 
lien by Ma judgment. — [Ed. 
In Bankruptcy. Errer to the district court. 
FiBLD, C. J. In July, 1877, Levi Estes and Ciharles M. 
Carter, as partners, composing the firm of Estes &amp; Carter,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/76</title>
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the wort with boiled linseed oil until the gum of the oil, the 
fiber of the wood, and the sand that came off the sand-paper 
produced a sort of gummy paste, which, in the process of 
rubbing, would lodge in the open pores of the wood, and 
which required much time and hard rubbing to fiU the grains 
passably. This gum being composed of oil required much 
time to dry ; otherwise, if varnished before it was dry, it would 
shrink in drying, and crack and displace the varnish. Thia 
was the process of finishing all the ordinary work. The finer 
quality of work, known as 'hand-polish finish,' required to be 
varnished with from three to five coats of what is known as 
«craping varnish, which, when dry, was scraped off with a 
cabinet-maker's steel scraper, leaving none of the many coats 
of varnish on the work, except that in the grains of the word 
below the surface, after which from three to five Coats of pol- 
ishing varnish were applied ; then the work was rubbed down 
with pumice stone and water, and polished up with rotton 
etone and the hand ; the palm of the hand bringing the pol- 
ish up. This process is the same as heretofore used by all 
the piano makers in the country.&quot; 
The invention, and the difficulties which it was intended to 
obviate, are thus described in the specification: &quot;Heretofore 
various materials have been used to fiU the grain in processes of 
finishing woods, such as pulverized mari, clay, flour, chalk, 
starch, and different gums ; but all are found to have objection- 
able features in use, which my new process is designed to obvi- 
ate. In some of the substances employed the particles, when 
powdered, are round or spherical, and without angles, and con- 
eequently do not readily adhere to each other and unite with 
the pores of the wood, and others are wanting in durability, 
and subject to injurions atmospheric action. I am also aware 
that various forms of infuaorial silicates have been used in 
mixtures for filling the grain of wood, but these are all very 
powerful absorbents of liquids, and carry the moisture by the 
quality of their capillarity into the wood itself, which has to 
be removed by evaporation before the varnish can be applied 
to the surface of the wood, and which opens the pores when 
said moisture is evaporated, and prevents it from being solid-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/79</title>
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thus obtained prodnces the most effective agent for the pur- 
poses of the cabinet maker, producing a more perfect polish 
upon the surface of the wood, and being more ëasily and 
conveniently applied tban any other material for this objeot 
in use. 
&quot; The advantages obtained by the use of this substance are very 
important, especially to manufacturers on a large scale, where 
cheapnesB of material in an agent so extensively used ai this 
class, to which my invention belongs, makes Buch a vast dif- 
ference in the profits of the trade. This earth being often 
found in large quantities, and then the superior qualities it 
has in polishing and filling wood, render it of great value to 
the cabinet maker, carriage maker, and others in similar 
occupations. 
&quot;Now, having described my invention, what I daim as new, 
and desire to secure by letters patent, is : First, the use of 
silicious mari or inf usorial earth for the purpose of filling and 
polishing wood, substantially as herein set f orth ; and, second, 
the combination of silicious mari with any or all of the sub- 
stances herein named, sulphate of zinc, muriate of ammonia, 
gum arable, gum tragacanth, and oil, substantially in the 
manner and for the purpose herein set forth.&quot; 
The Perry article, as described in bis patent, is not now 
used, and, in my opinion, is not valuable. 
The theory of the defendants is this : Flint and quartz are 
chemically silica, more or less pure, or what is known to 
chemists as silicic acid. Feldspar is a silicate of alumina 
and potash, and contains silica in large proportions. Quartz 
and flint contain from 85 to 100 per cent, pure silica. Infu- 
Borial earth is a fine-grained earth, formed by the deposition 
of the silicious coatings or shells of microscopic plants called 
infusoria, on the bottom of ponds or lakes of water, and is 
lifostly silica mixed with carbonate of lime and other impu- 
rities. Silicious mari is a mixture of clay and carbonate of 
lime and silica in the form of sand or infiisorial shells. Si- 
licious mari contains from 20 to .50 per cent, of silica. As, 
therefore, quartz or flint contains from 85 to 100 per cent, of 
silica, and infusorial earth and feldspar are mostly silica;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/82</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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or soda. It îs, therefore, chemically distinct from quartz, and 
ÎB classed by mineralogists with the opal, as a minerai species 
distinct from quartz. In support of which I would refer to 
Dana's Text-book of Mineralogy, published by John Wiley &amp; 
Sons, 1877, pages 262 to 267, inclusive, on which last page, 
under the species opal, reference is made to infusorial earth, 
and where the statements which I have made as to its density 
and hardness are corroborated. 
&quot;In respect to their properties as applied to the fiUing of 
wood, I would call attention to the fact that the two boxes, 
Exhibits L and M, contain the same weight of their respective 
contents. The mass of quartz, weighing four pounds eleven 
ounces, is about seven inches long, three inches wide, and 
four inches high. The infusorial earth occupies a box ten 
inches long, seven inches wide, and five inches high, being in 
the form of lumps of various sizes, but are evidently several 
times more bulky than the same weight of quartz, and sev- 
eral times more bulky than the quartz would be if it were 
reduced to powder such as is specified as employed in the 
Wheeler patent. This great difference is due to the porosity 
of the infusorial earth. Not only are the lumps of infusorial 
earth made up of loosely-cohering infusorial shields or frag- 
ments of shields, but these shields themselves have a very 
delicate structure, as seen under the microscope, so that the 
infusorial earth, from its spongy texture, is capable of absorb- 
ing and holding in its pores a considerable bulk of liquid. 
&quot;This difference of mechanical texture corresponds to a dif- 
ference in the adaptation of these two materials to use as a 
wood filler. The infusorial earth is porous in a degree com- 
parable to the wood which it is claimed to fill, so as to dimin- 
ish the absorption of oil or varnish, and must therefore act 
very inef&amp;ciently as a filler. 
&quot;Again, the quartz, powdered, as specified in the Wheeler 
patent, is seen under the microscope to consist of sharp, 
angular particles, which, when applied to the surface of wood, 
by rubbing with a cloth or leather pad, are foroed into the pores 
of the wood, where they firmly lodge, and effectually fill these 
pores with an impervious material. The hardness of quartz&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/90</title>
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The PhUadelphia, etc., Ry. Co. v. The Philadelphia, etc., Tow- 
boat Co. 23 How. 214; The Commerce, 1 Black, 575; The 
Belfast, 17 Wall. 637; Insurance Co. v. Dunham, 11 Wall. 25. 
This voyage, upon which this death occurred, being made 
upon a publie, navigable water of the United States, it mat- 
ters not -whetlier the boat was running in connection with a 
railway or otherwise, or whether it was plying up or down the 
Btream, or across it. The length or direction of the voyage, 
or its relation to other means or modes of transportation, in 
no way affect the f act stated in the libel, and upon which the 
jurisdiction of the court of admiralty alone depends, that 
the tort was committed upon the public navigable water of 
the United States. 
Upon^ this and the remaining exception two other points 
are made by counsel for the defendant, namely : (1) That in 
a.lmiralty, as at common law, no action is maintainable for 
the wrongful death of another; and (2) that the damages 
given by section 367 of the Oregon Civil Code, for the death 
of a person &quot;caused by the wrongful act or omission of an- 
other,&quot; cannot be recovered by a suit in admiralty or other- 
wise than by an action at law in the state court ; and upon 
these the contention mainly turns. 
It is admitted that it came to be the rule at common law that 
an action will not lie to recover damages for the death of a 
human being. The maxim, &quot;Actio personalis moritiir cumper- 
sona,&quot; was held to apply. It is also admitted that the weight 
of authority in this country is with the English rule. But it 
is not admitted that the rule is founded in reason or is con- 
Bonant with justice. 
The earliest English case is Higgins v. Btitcher, Yelv. 89, 
in which it was held that a master could not maintain an 
action for the death of his servant, feloniously caused, for the 
reason that the private injury was merged in the felony. But 
tliis would not apply to a case where the death was caused by 
negligence, not criminal, and at this day would not be held 
sufficient to defeat the private remedy, when it otherwise ex- 
isted. 
Afterwards (1808) Lord EUenborough, in Baher v. Bolton,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/100</title>
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The steam-shîp was about 416 feet in length, and about 38 
feet beam. The bridge was 150 or 180 feet from the bow, 
and six or seven feet higher than the turtle-back, which wat» 
about 23 feet above the water. 
The bark was sailing with the wind free, lier course being 
Bouth-east by east, half east, and she was making about seven 
and a half knots. Her side lights, which were the regulation 
lights prescribed by the Norwegian Veritas, but which were 
of much less power than the side lights of the steam-ship, 
were set and burning. The watch on deck consisted of the 
first mate and three men. A lookout was stationed on the 
top-gallant forecastle. About 1:45 a., m. this lookout sighted 
the mast head-light of the steam-ship right ahead, and re- 
ported it. The mate looked, and saw the light ahead, but a 
little on the starboard side, and he ordered the man at the 
wheel to keep her steady. No side lights of the steamer 
could be seen, but, as the vessels approached, her mast head- 
light came a little on the port side, and at the same time her 
sails became visible. The steamer was by this time so close 
that to those on the bark a collision seemed inevitable, and 
the mate ordered the bark's helm hard a-port. In a few sec- 
onds the steamship's starboard light came into view, and in 
another instant she struck the bark on her port side, cutting 
her completely in two, diagonally, from the after-part of the 
forerigging to the forepart of the main rigging. The bark 
sank, and, with the cargo, became a total loss. The bark 
was not seen by those in charge of the steam-ship until im- 
mediately before the collision, when the second oiScer saw 
her head-sails, and the lookout on the starboard side saw her 
after-sails, and, as she roUed over, saw her port light. A few 
seconds before, a steerage passenger, looking through a port- 
hole on the star-board side of the steam-ship, had seen the 
port light of the bark, and reported it to his room-mates. 
The theory of the libellant was that the courses of the two 
vessels, although apparently opposite, were in reality slightly 
intersecting; that the bark, having the wind free, was neces- 
sarilyyawing; that when the steamer 's light was first sighted 
the bark bad f allen off, and that, as she luffed gradually to her&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/104</title>
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This înquiry need not, however, be pursued. The fact that 
the bark could have been seen, with the exercise of proper 
vigilance, earlier than she was, (of which I am fully con- 
vinced,) shows conclusively an absence of proper care. 
Wherein this consisted need -not be determined. The bark 
should have been seen earlier. That she could have been, even 
without lights, seems to admit of little, if any, doubt. Wis- 
mer (of the steam-ship) says he could see a ship, without 
lights, the fourth of a mile off, at the time, and believed so 
tben. Sodergren (also of the steam-ship) thinks a man with 
a sharp eye might bave seen a ship, without lights, half a 
mile off. Lutz (of the steam-ship) says he saw the bark as 
she came up, and looked out the air-port of his state-room 
a third time before reporting that she would strike. Peters 
(of the steamship) says he heard the report, and passed from 
below to the deek before she struok. Captain Jackson (of 
the steamer) says he did not lose sight of the wreck, which 
King says was 500 to 600 yards away, and without lights. 
Peters says he kept the wreck in view from the steam-ship untU 
they left, and could see the mizzen-mast above the water. 
King (of the steam-ship) says: &quot;When at the wreck, judging 
as near as I could of the distance, it was from 500 to 600 
yards from the steam-ship; I could count every port-hole.&quot; 
Tonneson (of the bark) says he saw the steam-ship' s sails 
when she was three lengths away. Captain Simonson (of 
the bark) says he saw her sails as she came up, and, after 
the collision, saw her constantly, as he clung to the wreck. 
Edwardson (of the bark) says he saw the steam-ship's sails and 
rigging as she came up, and kept her constantly in view from 
the wreck. Jansen (of the bark) says he also saw her from the 
wreck. That these witnesses may be inaccurate, and, no 
doubt, are, respecting time and distance, must be admitted. 
Still, their testimony is convincing that the bark, even with- 
out lights, might have been seen earlier than she was. With 
lights she could oertainly have been seen, aooording to the 
concurrent testimony on both sides, from half a mile to a 
mile off. That her lights were burning is not, in my judg- 
ment, open to serious question. Simonson, her first officer,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/108</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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weight to the statements aubsequently obtained while the 
rescued men were on board the steam-ship. Conceding the 
propriety of interrogating them as was done, their situation, 
and their imperfect understanding of the language in which 
they were interrogated and made answer, and the fact that the 
answers were not taken literally in the terms they employed, — 
would render it unsafe to rely on the information thus ob- 
tained, as a means of contradicting or qualifying what they 
afterwards said on oath. In my judgment, however, no 
materia] disagreement exists between the statements referred 
to and the testimony of the witnesses sobsequently obtained. 
A decree must be entered in favor of the libellant. 
The court propounded certain questions to nautical experts 
called as assessors, which, with the answers thereto, were as 
f oUows : 
Captains Gallagher and Hewitt will please fumish me th« 
answers to the foUowing questions : 
First. Supposing the bark Luna to have been running free, 
with the wind — a stiff breeze — on her starboard quarter and 
a heavy swell in the sea, would the rudder keep her steadily 
on a direct line or course ? If not, how much would the yaw- 
ing be likely to carry her off, with proper attention to the 
wheel? Answer. A bark running free, with a stiff breeze on 
the starboard quarter and a heavy swell, allowing that she ia 
a fair-steering vassal, would yaw each side of her course from 
one-half to one point, with a constant tendency to eat up into 
the wind, except where she takes what is termed a wipe-off or 
sheer to laeward, wMch only happens occasionally, therefore 
her course would be a erooked one, and the resuit, that she 
would probably make from a quarter to a half point to wind- 
ward of that steered by compass. 
Second. What effect, in this respect, would the wind and 
swell have on the steam-ship's course, running in the oppo- 
site direction, at 11 miles an hour, with sails set (so as to have 
the benefit of the wind) and having a heel of 12 degrees to 
starboard? Answer. The propalling power of the steamer, 
not being dependent upon sails, the course made should be&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/112</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645761</id>
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Bradley, C. J. The questions in this cause are — First, 
whether it is a case for salvage ; secondly, if it is, how much 
compensation ought to be allowed to the salvors; thirdly,ho-w 
it ought to be apportioned amongst them; and, fourthly, who 
are to contribute thereto. 
Very little need be said on the first question. It being dis- 
covered shortly before 6 o'cloek on the morning of the twenty- 
eighth of March, 1879, that the ship Suliote was on fire, the 
signal of distress was immediately given by ringing the alarm- 
bell, and messengers were sent out for assistance. In re- 
sponse to the call the tug-boat Belle Darlington, lying a short 
distance above, backed down alongside of the Suliote, and 
threw her hose on the deck of the latter, and commenced to 
play into the hatchway ■«'here the smoke was seen to issue, 
and was shortly afterwards joined by the Maud Wilmot and 
the Protector, and by their joint efforts the fire was extin- 
guished. When a vessel is in distress, and in danger of 
destruction, and calls on others for help, or, being abandoned, 
is saved by their voluntary efforts, it is a case of salvage, 
unless the salvors act in the performance of a mere duty, as 
where they are employed by the public authorities to perform 
the very service. Had the fire department of New Orleans 
estinguished the fire whilst the vessel was lying at the wharf, 
no salvage could have been claimed. But, although the 
services of the department were offered, they were not accepted 
by those in charge of the ship. The vessel and cargo were 
eaved by the voluntary efforts of those who came to her relief. 
We think the case is clearly one of salvage. 
The amount of salvage that ought to be allowed for the 
services performed depends on several considerations ; aB,first, 
the extent and danger of the services ; secondly, the risk to 
which the vessels and other property employed in the service 
were exposed; thirdly, the value of the property saved, and 
the risk of destruction by which it was imperilled. 
The extent and danger of the service were inconsiderable. 
The Belle Darlington and Maud Wilmot were actually em- 
ployed in throwing water only a few minutes — less than half 
au hour — though they stayed in the vicinity until the fire was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/117</title>
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The Bark Lovetano, her Cargo, etc. 
{District Court, 8. D. New York. November, 1880,. 
SALVAiB — DAMAGKa—FREiaHT PkEPAID— APPORTIONMBNT. 
The Norwegian bark L. collided with the British sWp R. a short 
distance to the southward of Nantucket South Bhoal light-ship, 
■whereby she lost everything above deck and was thereupon abandoned 
by her crew. Net long afterwards, in the morning of April 17, 1880, 
she was sighted by the British steamer T., and the master of the T., 
after putting a crew aboard the L. and making three hawsers fast 
to her with difflculty, the sea being rough and the wind high, com- 
menced towing. Two of the hawsers parted at midnight, and the 
third slipped, thus compelling the T. to lay by the L. till dayligtit. 
The hawsers being again made fast after much difflculty, owing to their 
having fouled the T. 's propeller, the towing was again resumed in 
the aftemoon, and the T., without further accident or delay, reached 
Bandy Hook on the morning of the 19th with the L. in tow. The 
service rendered, which was attended with difflculty and danger to 
the crew, occupied the T. 51 hours. The distance towed was 325 miles 
in 37 hours, the average speed being about e% knots. Her maximum 
speed in ballast was 12)^ knots, and her speed at the time of discover- 
ing the wreck about 10 knots. 
The T. was a freighting steamer of 1,547 tons, runnîngbetween Lon- 
don and New York, at the time bound from Cardifl to New York in 
ballast, with a crew of 36 men, having 18 others (cattlemen) on board 
who had gone out on her last voyage in charge of cargo. The wind 
during the time of towing and before the discoverywas nearly ahead. 
The L. was 404 tons register, valued it $1,400 ; her cargo at $22,500, 
In good order when dlscovered and so dellvered. Her freight was 
valued at about $1,600, part of which had been prepaid. When 
dlscovered she had 30 Inches of water in her hold, and was not 
In a sintlng condition. 
Heli, that while the clalm of the libellants for more than one- 
half of the value of the property saved Is very extravagant, and 
not in accordance with the present praetice of admiralty courts 
In similar cases, still the case Is one of great merit, the bark be- 
ing derelict, and the prlnciple should be foUowed, glving a fair 
and liberal reward for the time and labor, the dangers encoun- 
tered, and the property saved. 
Port y. Jones, 19 How. 160. 
That the sum of 17,000 is a proper award ; $350 thereof to go to th» 
master, and $3,325 to the owners of the T. The remaining $3,325 to 
be apportioned among her offlcers and, crew, including the mister 
and those of the cattlemen who took part in the service in propor-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/120</title>
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still, it is a case of great merit. The bark was derelict, and 
in each cases the reward should be liberal. The Anna, 10 
Blatchf. 456. The claim of the libellants, however, that they 
should have more than one-half of the value of the property 
saved is very extravagant, and not in accordance with the 
present practice of courts of admiralty in cases like this. The 
principle is that a fair and liberal reward is given for the 
time and labor, the dangers encountered, and the property 
saved. Post v. Jones, 19 How. 150. 
In this case I think the sum of $7,000 will be a proper 
award. Of this sum, $350 is awarded to the master, and 
$3,325 to the owners of the steamer. The remaining $3,325 
will be apportioned among the officers and crew of the 
steamer, including the master and those of the cattlemen 
v?ho took part in the service, in proportion to their respective 
wages, the cattlemen ranking for this purpose as ordinary 
seamen. As the proofs do not show which of the cattlemen 
are entitled except the petitipner Wiley, who bas been joined 
as co-libellant, and as the libel alleges that three of the crew 
deserted in New York, of which no proof has been given, a 
reference will be had to determine this apportionment among 
the crew. 
Decree accordingly, with costs to libellants. 
Thb Steamer Leipsio. 
(District Court, S. D. JVewYork. November, 1880.) 
AaHEEMBNT AT SbA FOK TOWASE — CONSTBUCTION— Salvagh — Pbao- 
TiCE — Apportionment — Costs. 
Where the steamer L. , on a voyage f rom Baltimore to Bremerhaven, 
with a general cargo and 12 passengers, broke her shaft when about 
two days out, but was otherwise sound, staunch, and strong, well 
equipped, manned, and provisioned, and able to proceed under sail 
with favorable winds, and seven days thereafter, September 13, 1879, 
being about 125 miles from Sandy Hook, was towed into New York 
by the freighting steamer G., which being then bound to Baltimore,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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enough to sustain hîs claim in the judgmeni of th'e court, and 
the law gives him a new trial in an appellate court, and he 
may there introduce more evidence. This right of appeal 
would be of no value whatever if the vessel were released 
because the libel was dismissed below, and the long-accepted 
practice in the admiralty courts of detaining the vessel in 
Buch case, if an appeal is taken, shows clearly that his right 
to secure his alleged demand by her continued arrest has been 
always recognized. It seems to me, also, that the Admiralty 
Eule 11, which secures to a claimant the right to bond a ves- 
sel under arrest, and to either party, in proper cases, her sale 
pendingthe suit, was designed bythe supreme court as giving 
to the owners of vessels sued for damages all practioable relief 
against the hardship arising from the exercise of this right of 
arrest on the part of a libellant proceeding in good faith. 
And it seems to me that the granting of the relief here asked 
would, in such a case, be ineonsistent with that rule. 
In the present case I cannot doubt the good faith of the 
libellant. The case was by no means so clearly for the claim- 
ant on the proofs that the libellant 's suit or his appeal can 
be pronounced frivolous or one prosecuted malafide. If such 
should appear to be the case, it is unnecessary to determine 
what relief the court could give the claimant. As it is, this 
claimant is suffering only the inconvenience and hardship to 
whioh all owners of property are liable from the attachment 
of their goods by due proeess of law in a suit in which such 
attachment is permitted. It is unnecsssary to consider 
whether the proof of claimant's alleged inability to bond the 
vessel is sufficiently made out for any purpose.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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approached the mouth of the slip from up the river, heading 
in obliquely towards a point some ways inside of the south- 
erly rack, and after striking the southerly rack her head was 
canted over towards the center pin, a short rack between the 
two ferry bridges, and her stern was by the same movement, 
aided by the ebb-tide, sagged down against the southerly 
rack. It was while so sagging down and coming with her 
starboard side against the rack that the jib-boom entered the 
cabin window. The length of the ferry-boat and also that of 
the rack is 217 feet, The length of the center pin is about 
100 feet. There was another ferry-boat in the slip on the 
north side of the center pin. It is quite certain, from the 
evidence, aided by the models and drawings of the ferry slip 
and the boats, that the Hackensack could not, with the ebb- 
tide running, and with the other boat in her slip, have made 
her slip at ail, if her stern projected southerly of the south- 
erly line, so far as to engage the jib-boom of the schooner 
lying straight with the ferry rack, or indeed lying in any way, 
without projecting to the north of the line of the southerly 
side of the ferry rack. The ferry-boat made her slip, being 
thrown over by striking the southerly rack, so that her port 
bow brought up against the southerly side of the center pin 
before her way was entirely stopped. It was impossible for 
her to do this if her starboard quarter projected south of the 
ferry rack, or covered any part of the mouth of the Vesey- 
street slip, as some of the witnesses on the part of the 
schooner testify that it did. They are clearly mistaken, 
being misled by imperfect observation. It may have seemed 
so to them from their points of view. The fact that the 
schooner still had her stern-line out, and that it hadnot been 
thrown olï of the spile to which it was made fast, does not, as 
claimed on her behalf, show that she was not heading across 
the corner of the ferry rack. It must, of course, bave been 
slack enough to allow her stern to stand oflF sufficiently for 
this purpose. This point being determined, the next ques- 
tion is whether the ferry-boat stopped after the jib-boom 
entered the window, and whether she was then started ahead 
again by her pilot while the jib was so sticking into thd&lt;noinclude&gt;
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part. Sufficient rags to be shipped to dunnage cargo ; and 
to pay to the said party of the first part, or agent, for the use 
of the said vessel during the voyage aforesaid the sum oi 
£1,925, say, nineteen hundred and twenty-five pounds ster- 
ling, in f uU for the round voyage, both out and home, of which 
iel,250, say, twelve hundred and fifty pounds sterling, oi 
its equivalent, is payable upon correct delivery of the outward 
cargo at port of diacharge in the Mediterranean, and the bal- 
ance, of amount of this charter, or its equivalent, to be paid 
upon correct delivery of the homeward cargo at the port oi 
discharge. &quot; 
Libellants fumished a full outward cargo, but tha vessel 
was found to have a capacity of only 1,085 tons, and her 
owners repaid to the libellant a proportionate amount of the 
j61,250 paid for the outward voyage. On her return voyage 
libellant furnished only a cargo of 600 tons of marble and 
about 120 tons of light cargo. Upon the completion of the 
homeward voyage the master retained out of freight collected 
from the consignees of the cargo the whole £675 stipulated to 
be paid for the return voyage. Libellants thereupon filed 
this libel, claiming a portion of this sum proportionate to the 
difference between the guarantied capacity and the actual 
capacity. Eespondents claimed that, as libellants had not 
furnished a full cargo, the fact that the vessel could not bave 
carried 1,250 tons was immaterial, and further alleged an 
agreement on the part of libellants not to make any claim for 
the deficiency in tonnage. 
The district court dismissed the libel on the ground that, 
by the terms of the charter-party, the £675 was to be paid for 
a cargo of only 600 tons of marble, with sufficient rags for 
dunnage, which cargo had been carried. 
Libellants appealed, and took depositions in the circuit 
court of witnesses who testified that vessels laden with mar- 
ble always brought home light cargo in addition, and that 
the reason for specifying in the charter-party the quantity of 
marble to be carried was because the insurance companie» 
objected to a vessel carrying over three-fourths of her regig- 
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in any respect discriminates in favor of or for the greater pro- 
tection of this clasB of informers. On the contrary, the stat- 
ute of 18 Elizabeth and the New York act of 1788 show that 
this very class of informera has been regarded as the least 
entitled to favor, and as requiring in a greater degree than 
any other class stringent legal and legislative regulation. 
And it woald be clearly a violation- of that principle of publie 
policy which governs this subject-matter to give this statutea 
strained construction for their benefit, or to base an inference 
that they were intended to be excepted out of its beneficiai 
operation upon any expressions of intention in their favor so 
inconclusive as are contained in section 5294. 
Taking the whole statute together, then, I think it subjects 
ail pecuniary penalties to the eecretary's power of remission, 
provided the informer's claim shaU not have been actually 
determined by the court. The power was therefore rightf ally 
exercised in this case. Where the suit is by the United 
States, though prosecuted partly for the benefit of the in- 
former, the secretary haa power to discontinue it. In this 
case the warrant of remission does not purport to order th© 
discontinuance of the suit, and probably it is proper that it 
should not do so, because it is the sait of a private party ; but 
the court is bound to give effect, in some proper way, to the 
remission which the secretary had the power to make. The 
precise question involved in this case seems to have been 
decided by Judge Blatchford, in the case of The Tmlight, in 
Deoember, 1875. In that case, after issue joined in a suit 
for a, similar penalty, the secretary remitted the penalty on 
certain terms, &quot;subject to the decision of the court as to 
whether the plaintif! is an informer under section 5294 of 
the Revised Statutes, and the forfeiture incurred under sec- 
tion 4465 of said statute is remissible by the secretary of the 
treasury.&quot; It appears by the record in that case that, after 
hearing the parties, the court made an order perpetually 
sfcaying libellant's prosecution of the suit. As no opinion was 
filed, nor any briefs, it may be true, as claimed by the libel- 
lant's counsel, that the points made in this case for libellant 
were not presented to the court in that caae. As the amount&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of five years. It is evident that the only object the petitîoner 
had, in coming to Brooklyn when he did, was to enlist in the 
service of the United States, and there is no reason to doubt 
that he would have returned to the city of New York if his 
application to be enlisted had been rejected. The ordinary 
«ourse pursued in regard to the marines enlisted at the Brook- 
lyn navy yard is to retain them there during the first two 
years of their service, and send them to sea for the remainder 
of their term. The petitioner, therefore, enlisted with the rea- 
eonable expectation that he would be stationed at the Brook- 
lyn navy yard for the two years next succeeding his enlist- 
ment. Since the time of his enlistment the petitioner bas 
lived in the barracks at the Brooklyn navy yard, which, for 
the purpose of this proceeding, will be assumed to be part of 
the third election district of the twentieth ward of the city of 
Brooklyn. These facts do not, in my opinion, show, that the 
petitioner has a right to vote, as being a resident of the third 
election district of the twentieth ward of the city of Brooklyn. 
The constitution of the state of New York contains the fol- 
lowing provisions : &quot; Every maie citizen of the age of twenty- 
one years, who shall have been a citizen for ten days, and an 
inhabitant of the state for one year, next preceding an election, 
and for the last four months a resident of the county, and for 
the last thirty days a resident of the election district in which 
he may offer his vote, shall be entitled to vote at such an 
election in the election district of which he shall at the time 
be a resident, and not elsewhere. For the purpose of voting, 
no person shall be deemed to have gained or lost a residence 
JDy reason of his presence or absence while employed in the 
service of the United States ; nor while engaged in the navi- 
gation of the waters of this state or of the United States, or of 
the high seas ; nor while the student of any seminary of learn- 
ing; nor while kept in any alms-house or other asylum at pub- 
lic expense; nor while confined in any prison.&quot; 
In order, therefore, to make it appcar that the petitioner 
is entitled to vote in the district relerred to, he must prove 
ihimself to be a resident of that district. ïhe provisions of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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has feaen laid upon the circumstance that, accçrdîng to tîiç 
practice of the service, men enlisted at the Brooklyn navy 
yard are stationed at that yard during the two years succeed- 
ing their enlistment, and that the reasonable expectation 
entertained by the petitioner at the time of enlistment was 
that he would be allowed to remain in Brooklyn for two 
years. But I am unable to see that the case is altered by 
this circumatance. The only intention the petitioner could 
have had in enlisting was to obey the orders of his command- 
ing officer as to the place of his future abode. If he entered 
the service with the belief, hope, and expectation that he 
\rould be ordered to remain in Brooklyn, that does not affect 
the fact that by enlisting he made it impossible for him to 
have an intention of his own in regard to his residence at 
any particular place during the term of his enlistment. 
The petitioner has sworn that he intended to come backto 
Brooklyn at the end of his five years of service, but he does 
not swear that he intended to make Brooklyn his place of 
residence at the expiration of his term of service; and, what 
is more to the point, he does not swear, and could not truth- 
fully swear, that he left New York with' the intention to re- 
side at the barracks in Brooklyn navy yard, or that he came 
to the barracks with the intent to make the barracks his place 
of residence. Ile left New York with the intent to enlist if 
he could, or, if not, to retum to New York — his then resi- 
dence. He came to the barracks because he was ordered 
there, and with the intention to remain there until he should 
be ordered elsewhere, and no longer. By these acta he 
neither lest his residence nor gained a residence in the bar- 
racks. 
It is not doubted that a sailor or soldier of the United 
States can acquire a residence while in the service. He may 
purchase or rent a dwelling and so gain a residence, as was 
the case in Ames v. Duryea, 6 Lansing, 155, and doubtless in 
other ways. But in order to gain a residence in an election 
district of this state, for the purpose of voting, he must do 
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ment of the canal with the political changes in the state gov- 
ernment. This bas been always a subject of regret to those 
interested in the financial success of the work, and to the 
consequent lack of a fixed and stable polioy in its manage- 
ment bas been attributed the disappointment of the expecta- 
tions of the projectors. The evils arising from the coutrol of 
the state over the management of the canal have been the 
frequent theme of comment in the reports of its ofQcers, and 
the ground of applications to the legislature for relief. But 
this 18 not an evil which the courts can remedy. It existed 
at the time when complainant purchased bis bonds, and lias 
always been an element in the estimate of their value. 
If, however, the complainant had produced proof to estab- 
lish the abuses alleged in bis bill to bave grown out of this 
political connection, and had shown, as alleged, that the rev- 
enues of the corporation were being squandered in paying 
persons kept in its service for political reasons, and not really 
necessary for its business, we sbould bave no doubt of the 
duty of the court to interpose to prevent so gross an abuse of 
a trust. For the corporation being insolvent to the extent 
that for years at a time its revenues bave barely met its work- 
ing expenses, it is manifest that the property is beld by the 
corporation as trustee for its creditors, and the utmost good 
faith, economy, and prudence are to be exereiaed in its man- 
agement. So that, if the allegation of paying useless em- 
ployes had been proved, such an abuse of this trust would 
have been made apparent as would bave required the inter- 
vention of the court, as the only protection left to the boud- 
holders against a faithless trustee of a property which is their 
only security. But we do not find this allegation established 
by the proof. The complainant bas urged upon the attention 
of the court the falling off in the net income of the canal, and 
the increase of expenditure in proportion tio receipts since 
1875, and charges that these are evidence of extravagance 
and mismanagement. The fact that the net income of i;he 
canal, -which, in the years 1871, '72, '73, '74, and '75, had 
been over $200,000 in each of those years, fell in 1876 to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/168</title>
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from the earnings of the canal of extravagant Iiotel biïla, 
incurred by the president and directors, and charged bj them 
to the corporation, without warrant or authority. These 
bills, so far as ascertained and proved, amount, for the six 
years from 1874 to 1878, to Over $12,000. The items show 
that the charges are for personal expenses and extravagant 
entertainments of these officers, and indicate certainly a dis- 
position on their part to use their officiai position for their 
personal gratification, in disregard of the creditors they were 
appointed to protect — conduct in the managers of an insolv- 
ent corporation well calculated to excite suspicion and dis- 
trust with regard to the fidelity of their general management 
of its concerna. The excuse offered — that it had been for 
years the custom of the directors to extend such &quot;hospitali- 
ties&quot; at the expense of the canal — is, of course, no defonce of 
so unwarrantable an expenditure of creditera' money, and is 
some proof of the averment made by the complainant that 
years of abuse have sanctioned methods of conducting the 
afiFairs of the canal which waste its revenue and deprive them 
of money which should be paid to them. But while it is true 
that these proven bills do tend to excite distrust, they do not 
actually prove anything but themselves, and are not in them- 
selves sufficient to Justify the costly machinery of a receiver- 
ship. 
The complainant further charges that the conduct of the 
president and directors in obtaining the passage by the legis- 
lature of Maryland of the act of 1878, authorizing the corpo- 
ration to issue $500,000 of repair bonds, was without actual 
necessity, and, as it endangered the security of the complain- 
ant, was a seriouB breach of trust committed by the corpora- 
tion. The passage of this act was procured by representing 
to the legislature the dismantled condition of the canal, 
caused by the extraordinary flood of 1877, and the impossi- 
bility of raising money on the repair bonds authorized by the 
act of 1844. Attorneys who were the representatives and 
agents of the complainant, acting in his behalf bef ore the same 
legislature, and in respect to the bonds he now sues upon, 
were also at that time attorneys of the corporation employed&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/170</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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convenient method of scrutinizing these expenditures, which 
so vitally affect them and them alone, and we thiuk that, 
without appointing a receiver, it would be within the power 
of this court to retain the bill for the purpose of having the 
corporation, at stated intervais, render an account of its re- 
ceipts and disbursements for the information and protection 
of the bondholders. The motion for a receiver is denied. 
Bond, G. J., concurred. 
Subsequently counsel were heard on the question of cjsts, 
and on the form of the decree, and the court said : 
&quot;We incline to the opinion that the bill in this cause was 
filed in good faith for the benefit of the whole body of bond- 
holders, and bas resulted in a decree which will be for their 
benefit, and that the costs, the bill having been filed for the 
benefit of all, should be borne equally by them all. We do 
not think it equitable, though it is shown in the cause that 
some of the bondholders refused to unite in the suit, that 
they should be allowed to reap the benefit of complainant's 
action and bear no proportion of its costs ; and we think com- 
plainant's costs should be refunded to him out of the first 
funds which, in the hands of the canal company, would be 
applicable to payment of interest on the bonds, It appeared 
to the court that the corporation held the position of a trus- 
tee, and therefore the court retained the bill to afford such 
relief as is usual for courts of equity to give in matters of 
trust. It implies no imputation of fraudulent conduct on the 
part of a trustee to require him to make frequent reports of 
his acts to the court. We think the defendant oompany 
should be required to make its reports quarterly. This will 
secure to the bondholders every opportunity of inspection, 
and of scrutinizing the conduct of the canal management. 
If either party think it necessary hereafter to invoke the 
assistance of the court, in any future matter coming within 
the scope of this bill, he oan corne into court and do so by 
petition in the cause. We will sign the decree drawn by the 
counsel for the canal company, modified as we bave indi- 
cated.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/172</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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New Obleans City E. Co. v. Cbescbnt City E. Co. 
{Oireuit Court, D. Louiaiana. January, 1881.) 
L Rbmotai.— JcRiSDicTioN Bbfoke Retuen-Dat— Dissolution of Ih- 
JUNOTION. — An application to dissolve an injunction cannot be con- 
sideredbefore the return-day of a removed cause, where such appli- 
cation in volved the consideration of the cause as an entirety, and the 
dissolution could not have been granted without changing the statu» 
of the parties with reference to the thing to be flnally adjudged. — 
[Ed. 
In the Matter of Petition of the BarnesvUle &lt;e Moorehead Ry. Co., etc., 
1 Fbd. Rbp. 10. 
In Equity. Application to Dissolve Injunction. 
Carleton Hunt, for plaintiff. 
J. M. Bonner, for defendant. 
BiLLiNGs, D. J. This cause is before me on an application to 
dissolve an injunction. The sole question upon which the 
court is now to pass is whether the court should at this time 
entertain the application. 
The cause was commenced in the state court. An injunc- 
tion was there obtained, and at the instance of the defendant 
the plaintiff was then required to give a bond in the sum of 
$50,000 to compensate the defendant for any damages he 
might suffer from the injunction in case it should be held to 
bave been improperly obtained. An application was then 
made, on the part of the defendant, to substitute a bond for 
the injunction, according to the practice in the state court, 
and then, upon the application of the plaintiff, the cause was 
removed to this court, on the ground that its decision in- 
volved a construction of the constitution and laws of the 
United States. 
The return-day of the removed cause would be on the third 
Monday of April next, which is the first day of the next term 
of this court. 
An examination of the statute leads me to the conclusion 
that, immediately upon the filing of the proper petition and 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/180</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645833</id>
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have been known that the en tire sum would have to be raised 
to complete the purohase. Upon this it seems to have been 
understood that Chaffee and Delmonico would pay the entire 
amount — the latter according to the interest to be acquired 
by him, one-sixteenth oî the whole^ and Chaffee to pay the 
remainder. 
Before the money became due to the Colorado Springs 
party, Jones and Chaffee came to the state apparently with 
the view to complete the.purchase, and after some examina- 
tion of the property and the title to it, Chaffee declined to go 
on, upon the ground that the Lee and Stockbridge title was out- 
standing; and thereupon it is conceded that the contract 
•with the Colorado Springs party expired by its own limita- 
tion. Some time remained — that is to say, until the eighth 
of August — before the contract with the Denver party would 
expire, and in this interval Eoudebush entered into negotia- 
tions with the Denver party with a view to acquire their 
interest for the Colorado Springs party. He also arrangea 
for the sale of the Lee and Stockbridge title to the Colorado 
Springs party, and this probably entered into the purchase of 
the Denver party's title. The evidence is not clear on that 
point, but it is shown that $10,000 was paid for tlje Lee and 
Stockbridge title, of which the Denver party contributed one- 
half, and the Colorado Springs party one-half ; and probably 
this arrangement could not have been made except upon 
some understanding as to the settlement of ail controversies 
between the parties. It is hard to believe that thesa two 
parties would have corne together to purchase the Lee and 
Stockbridge title without some accommodation of the contro- 
versies then pending between them. 
In the last days of July, the sale by the Denver party to 
the Colorado Springs party was effected through the agency 
of Eoudebush, and the principal question in the case it 
whether this was done pursuant to the contract betweeu Eou- 
debush and the Denver party. Upon that question there are 
several cireumstances of great weight. Although the contract 
was not completed by the conveyance from the Denver party 
to the Colorado Springs party until some time afterwards,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/192</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645845</id>
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one, and if the value of the property held under the àttacH- 
ments and executions &quot;were of no greater value than the 
amount of the earlier executions, and was at the time 
understood by the debtors- and these defendants to be of 
no greater value than that amount, there would be great 
force in the argument, and it would be necessary to examine 
•with care the propositions of fact and of law on which it is 
based. The property at the sheriff 's sale brought but little 
more than the amount of those earlier executions, The net 
prûceeds were less than that amount. But I am satisfied by 
the testimony that the property was in fact worth more than 
eni&gt;ugh to satisfy those executions, and must bave been so 
consïdered both by the debtors and by these defendants. In 
their answers, which were, of course, after the sale, the de- 
fendants say that the value of the goods did not exceed 
$2,600. They sold for $1,571.34, exclusive of some sewing 
machines, which appear to have been classed as fixtures. 
They say nothing of the value of the fixtures, which ,including 
the sewing machines, sold for $692.27. It may very properly 
be assumed that the defendants would not, in their answers, 
give values at aU above what they understood the property to 
be worth at the time of the offers for judgment, The testi- 
timony of the witnesses also shows that the value of the 
goods eonsiderably ' exceeded what they brought ; and, al- 
though they were goods whose value, as understood by the 
parties, ought, perhaps, to be considered as subject to diminu- 
tion by the effect of a forced sale at auction under execution, 
yet, even making ail due allowance for this consideration, I 
am satisfied that the parties understood and supposed ihat 
they would bring more than enough to satisfy the earlier exe- 
cutions, and that an intent to give and receive a preference 
over the creditors generally was at least part of the purpose 
with which the offers of judgment were made, and therefore 
that the plaintiff is entitled to recover. Although the de- 
fendants and the bankrupts would have been competent wit- 
nesses on the question of the actual intent with which the 
offers were made and received, they were not examined ou&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/210</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645865</id>
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The case was elaborately argued at the circuit, counsel 
oocupying several daya in the presentation of their views. 
Their arguments were taken down by a short-hand writer, 
and printed, thus enabling me to read what I had patiently 
lietened to in the oral discussion. 
The question before the court was the validity of the re- 
issued patent to the complainant. The main objection urged 
to its validity was that it was for a different invention from 
that described in the original patent. And upon that point 
the argument was fuU, elaborate, and able. It is difficult to 
see how the position of the complainant in support of the 
patent could have been more cogently presented. 
The original patent was for a compound of nitro-glycerine, 
with an inexplosive porous absorbent, which would take up 
the nitro-glycerine, and render it safe for transportation, 
storage, and use, without loss of its explosive power. The 
re-issued patent is for a compound of nitro-glycerine with 
any porous absorbent, explosive or inexplosive, which will be 
equally safe for transportation, storage, and use, without 
loss of explosive power. In other wbrds, the re-issued pat- 
ent drops the limitation of the original, and seeks to cover all 
compounds in which nitro-glycerine is used, in connection 
with a porous absorbent, in the production of blasting pow- 
der, thus practically securing to the patentee a monopoly of 
nitro-glycerine in the manufacture of that powder. The 
court held that the re-issued patent was, therefore, more 
extensive in its scope than the original patent, and on that 
ground was invalid. It covered a different invention. 
The court also held that the original patent was neither 
invalid nor inoperative from any defective specification, but 
was valid and operative for the invention described ; and that 
this appeared upon a comparison of the.two patents, the 
re-issued patent differing from the original only in the extent 
of its claim; and that, therefore, the eommissioner exceeded 
his jurisdiction in granting a re-issue at ail, as well as on the 
ground that the re-issued patent was for a different inven- 
tion. This latter position was not, it is true, disoussed in 
the oral argument, but it is raised by tha pleadings, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/214</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645869</id>
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hearing is to be sought by appeal, when the decree is one 
which can reviewed by an appellate tribunal. See Tufts v. 
Tufts, supra. 
The petition, therefore, cannot be beard by me ex parte 
at Washington. The complainant must pursue the regular 
course of procedure, and give notice to the opposite party. 
If the petition be filed during the term, the court will retain 
jurisdiction over the case, and may subsequently decide upon 
the application. The eighty-eighth rule in equity applies 
only where no petition is presented during the term. 
As the circuit court in San Francisco will be held by the 
circuit judge in my absence, he will direct its clerk to forward 
the petition and answer to me, at Washington, accompanied 
with Buch brief 8 as counsel may file within a reasonable time 
to be allowed by the court. The application will then be 
taken up and disposed of, and my judgment sent to the cir- 
cuit court and there entered. Where cases bave been heard 
by the circuit judge sitting alone, I do not myself jhear appli- 
cations in them for a rehearing, or motions for a new trial, 
except by bis request. This consideration to the different 
judges composing the court is essential to the harmonious 
administration of justice therein. As observed by me in a 
case reported in 1 Sawyer : &quot;The circuit judge possesses equal 
authority with myself on the circuit, and it would lead to 
unseemly conflicts if the rulings of one judge, upon a ques- 
tion of law, should be dîsregarded, or be open to review by 
the other judge in the same case.&quot; Page 689. 
The petition contains what purports to be a copy of my 
opinion, but it is a copy of the opinion before it was revised. 
The opinion should not have been published until it had 
received my revision, as counsel very well know. In any 
petition hereafter filed it is expected that a correct copy will 
appear, if any one is given. If the present petition is used, 
the opinion must be corrected in accordance with the revised 
copy- 
Before concluding, it may not be amiss to invite the atten- 
tion of complainant's counsel to the language of Judge Story, 
in the case of Jenkins v. Eldridge, with respect to the earnest-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/220</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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together very lightly, with f enders between ; that afterwards, 
and when those on the sloop had again refused to haul their 
vessel away, the tug endeavored to pull the stem of the brig 
by the stern of the sloop, those on the brig aiding this move- 
ment by pushing; that the injury was done in this attempt ; 
that one line, not a new one, between the sloop and the pier 
parted, and a cavil on the sloop was broken off; that no 
other damage was done. 
It appears by the testimony of the ship carpenter, who 
repaired the sloop soon afterwards, that when he saw her the 
rail, stanchions, and timbers were injured in some such way 
as is described by the witnesses from the sloop, but it also 
appears that later on the same day, the eighth of September, 
she was in collision with another vessel. It is quite possible, 
upon the evidence, that the principal injuries in her stem 
were then sustained by her being driven against the pier. I 
am unable to credit the statement of her witnesses that the 
stern was lifted up by the blow as they describe. Not only 
are they contradicted on this point, but it is almost impossi- 
ble that such should have been the effect of the blow even if 
it was as violent as the witnesses testify to. The brig was 
much higher out of water. Both vessels had overhanging 
stems, so that the tendenoy would have been not to lift up 
but to crowd down the stern of the sloop. And the barder 
the blow the greater would this tendency be. Upon the 
whole evidence I am not satisfied that any damage was done 
by the tug's endeavor to pull the stern of the brig by the stern 
of the sloop, except the parting of one line and the breaking 
of the cavil. For this damage the tug is liable. She had no 
right to use force enough to injure the sloop, and was not 
justified in&quot; doing so by the unreasonable refusai of the sloop 
to haul away. She could bave herself hauled the sloop out 
of the way first, or, as she did afterwards, have sent for a har- 
bor-master to compel her to move away. The libellants are 
entitled to a decree for the damage found as above, charge- 
able to the carelessness of those in charge of the tug, but 
without costs, because they were in the wrong in refusing to 
get out of the way when requested and thereby brought tha&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/226</title>
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to thelr respective wsges ; the shares of the master and crew to be free 
of all charges and expenses incurred by the owners. 
That no sufflcient ground is shown for giving the engineer of the 
steamer an extra share. 
Also hdd, that the owners oannot extinguish the claims of seamen 
for salvage who have not appeared to claim their shares by taking an 
assignment from thcm. The amounts actually paid the seamen may 
be considered as paid on account of their shares, and re-imbursed to 
the owners, — the residue of the seamen's shares to remain in the reg- 
istry to await their application theref or. 
In Admiralty. 
L. Ullo, for master and seamen. 
J. E. Parsons, for owners. 
Choate, D. J. This is an application by the master and 
part of the crew of the steam-ship Plainmeller for an appor- 
tionment of the salvage in the case of The Adirondack, 2 
Fed. Eep. 387, 872, It is shown, on the part of the owners 
of the Plainmeller, that they incurred some expanses, by rea- 
son of the salvage service, which should be first re-imbursed 
to them out of the amount paid. They are : For port charges 
in New York, about $275; extra coal, $250; captain's ex- 
penses, $60; and some other trifling expenses. They ask to 
be allowed, also, for law expenses in the trial of the suit — 
some $750; charges of their agents for attending to the busi- 
ness of the suit; and some $400 for repairs. As to these 
expenses, it was not shown upon the hearing, and is not now 
shown, that the towage service made any repairs neeessary, 
and the law expenses incurred were, in my judgment, mainly 
unnecessary, as the Adirondack offercd to pay all that was 
properîy due for the service rendered. These charges ought 
not, therefore, to be taken into account in apportioning the 
salvage; and, under all the circumstances, I think that $750 
will be a full indemnity to the owners of the vessel for their 
expenses and loss by reason of the salvage service. This is 
ail for which they bave any just claim on the master and 
crew for re-imbursement. Deducting this sum, there remains 
$6,750 to be apportioned between the vessel and the master 
and crew. The owners of the vessel urge that the vessel was 
the principal salvor, and that the service of the master and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/232</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645888</id>
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the government, involve the danger of conflicting rights and 
claims, and the practical inconveniences pointed out in that 
case. While I entertain some doubt on the question, I am of 
opinion that the court bas acquired jurisdiction, and can order 
the cargo to be sold, subjeet to the claims of the United States, 
for duties and expenses. See, also, U. S. v. One Case of Silk, 
4 Ben, 526; Opin. of Taney, Att'y Gen, 2 Opin. Att'ys Gen. 
477, e9 6. Unless the jurisdiction exista, the ship-owneris 
practically remediless. He cannot compel a sale of the gooda 
for dnties, and, in most cases like the present, if he cannot 
libel them he must stand by and see their whole value absorbed 
in storage and other charges before they will be sold by the 
oollector. 
Thb Steam-Ship Zodiao. 
: District Court, S. D. NewTorh. January 3, 1881.) 
1. Collision — Final Dbcreb in Revc— Stipulation fob Value— De- 
CKBB IN Pbrsonam AaAiNST Claimant not SiQNiNa— Elkvenïh 
AND FlFTEENTH AdMERALTY RulES. 
Where one of two part owners, who appeared as claimants by differ- 
ent proctors, a libel in rem for collision baving been filed, executed a 
BtipulatloE for value, with sureties approved by the libellants, for the 
release of the vessel, and conditioned to pay the amount that might 
be awarded on final decree on notice thereof to its proctors, and the 
other claimant dld not unite in the stipulation, and a final decree for 
damages was thereafter rendered, and the libellants, being unable to 
collect their decree from the claimant (stipulator) or his sureties, moved 
that execution issue against the other claimant : 
Held, that the appearance of the other claimant as part owner of 
the vessel was not an admission of such ownership at the time of the 
collision, or of personal responsibility for the negligence of those then 
in charge of her. 
That to permit an araendment in effect making the suit in rem a suit 
in personam, would be a clear violation of the fifteenth admiralty rule, 
forbidding the joinder of a claim in rem with one in penonam in the 
same suit for collision. 
That the libellants, if they have any claim for damages against the 
owners personally, must resort to another suit in personam to enforce 
it ; and the libellant's motion must be denied. 
Also held, the contents of the stipulation and its approval show-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/236</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645892</id>
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The passage above quoted from Betts' Admiralty showB 
clearly that it is only by amending the pleadings and decree 
that suoh relief as is now asked can be given, and none of the 
authorities cited by the libellant's counsel conflict with this 
view. If, then, the libellant still bas a claim for these dam- 
ages against the owners personally, he must resort to another 
suit to enforce it. That was the suggestion of Mr. Justice 
Curtis in a similar case. The Enterprise, ut supra. 
The other ground on which the relief is asked, that Eay- 
mond should .have signed the stipulation, is sufficiently an- 
swered by the recitals and form of the stipulation iteelf, and 
its approval by the libellant's proctors. It appears very 
clearly from the stipulation that the libellant understood and 
consented to the New York &amp; Newbern Steam-^hip Company, 
and it alone, being treated as claimant for the purpose of the 
bonding and delivery of the vessel on bail. Eaymond was 
not treated as a claimant to whom the vessel was to be de- 
livered. He appeared, not by the proctors named in the stip- 
ulation as claimant's proctor, but by another proctor. The 
reason why the corporation alone was thus treated as claim- 
ant who was to take possession of the vessel when released 
on bail, may bave been because it was the owner of a major- 
ity interest. But, whatever may have been the reason, the 
libellant consented to the giving of the stipulation in the form 
in which it was given, and cannot now complain that Eay- 
mond did not join in it. The omission to have Eaymond join 
appears to have been intentional. There is no evidence of 
mistake which would justify a reformation of the contract, 
and nothing in the eleventh admiralty rule which would jus- 
tify the court in treating Eaymond as a stipulator, or in now 
directing that he join in the stipulation. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/256</title>
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yoti fiiid they paid other drafts and similar xmm to this Com- 
pany without funds, — these circumstances would show reason- 
able groimds of expectation to entitie him to demand and 
notice. On the other hand, if you find that Pendleton had no 
contract or arrangement with Greenwood &amp; Co. to accept and 
pay, and that tbeir course of dealing did not justify him in 
drawing without funds, or that by the contract or course of 
dealing he was required to give them notice of drafts by let- 
ters of advice, and that no such letters were sent as to this 
draft, he had no reasonable expectation of acceptance or pay- 
ment without funds ; and if you find there was no provision 
made to meet this draft the plaintiffs cannot recover. You 
will apply these instructions to the presentation for accept- 
ance, and if you find there were neither funds, contract, or 
other arrangement, nor a reasonable expectation of acceptance, 
the failure to protest and give notice would be excused. If 
this default was thus excused, then it was still the duty of 
the Company to present for payment on the fourteenth day of 
October, 1871. If you find the draft was presented on that 
day, protest and notice not having been given, or if you find 
it was presented af ter that da;y, you will apply these instruc- 
tions to that presentation also;' and if you find there were 
no funds, and no reasonable expectation of payment, the 
plaintiffs cannot recover. You are to determine these ques- 
tions of fact on all the prooî, and say whether the default of 
the Company has been excused by want of funds and want of 
reasonable expectation of acceptance of payment. 
As to the proof of loss not being filed, it is conceded notice 
of the death was given. If, when that was done, the agents 
of the Company repudiated all liability, aad informed the 
parties that the policy had lapsed, then no proof of loss was 
required by them, and the failure to file it cannot alter the 
case. If, however, the company or its agent did not thus 
waive proof of loss, then this action is prematurely brought, 
and the plaintiffs cannot recover until 90 days after proof 
filed with them. 
There is a clause' in this policy which authorizes all unpaid 
premiums to be deducted. I think the inexorable logic of a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/258</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the costs, and to reinstate the cause upon the docket. This 
is resisted upon the ground that it was gross negligence not to 
be prepared with the proof , and the court should not tolerate 
a practice encouraging such negligence ; and upon the further 
ground that the defendant, on a new suit being brought, wishea 
to change bis defence to a special plea of non estfactum, 
The attorney for the plaintiff, in support of the motion, 
files his affidavit stating that the papers had been mislaid 
until a few days before the trial; that in looking over them 
he saw a seal and supposed it was the seal of the treasury 
department, and did not notice otherwise until the trial ; and 
that he was misled because no objection was taken before the 
trial. 
It is difficult to see how any one could mistake the mode 
of proof adopted in this deposition for that pointed out by 
the Eavised Statutes, but the attorney here swears that he 
made that mistake, and the only question is whether the affi- 
davit shows sufficient cause. 
It was not formerly usual to grant a new trial after non- 
suit, but for the sake of obtaining justice it may now be had 
in that as well as other cases. Tidd's Pr. 905; Bac. Ab. 
tit. &quot;Nonsuit;&quot; Comyn's Dig. tit, &quot;Pleader, XI.;&quot; Sadler v. 
Evans, 4 Burr. 1984. An affidavit showing cause is undoubt- 
edly necessary, and this implies that there must be som&amp; 
good and sufficient reason moving the court to exercise its- 
discretion to grant or refuse the motion. Dearing v. Taylor, 
1 Tenn. 49; Sharpless v. Sevier, là. 117; McAllister v. Will- 
iams, Id. 119; Union Bank v. Carr, 2 Humph. 345; Trice v. 
Smith, 6 Yerg. 319; Sayers y. Holmes, 2 Cold. 259. 
We have no ctatute in Tennessee authorizing a court to set 
aside a voluntary nonsuit, but it is the constant practice to 
do it, as the above cases will show. The Code enacts that 
the plaintiff may, at any time before the jury retires, or be- 
fore the cause is finally submitted to the court, take a non- 
suit. T. &amp; S. Code, 2964, 2966. Eead in the light of thfr 
very able exposition of the common law on this subject found 
in the case or Folger v. The Robert G. Shaw, 2 Woodb. &amp; 
Llinot, 531, these statutes imply indulgence to the plaintiff&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/262</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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plus funds of savings banks.&quot; This act, as construed by th&amp; 
highest court of the state, in view of previous legislation, and 
upon consideration of the variouB provisions and directions of 
the act itself, established a System of taxation for bank shares 
&quot;peculiar to itself and independant of the general System of 
taxation in existence in the state,&quot; and upon this ground it 
was decided by the court of appeals (Dotan v. People, 36 N. 
Y. 59,) that a bank shareholder, who had been assessed upon 
the value of his shares, was not entitled to any deduction on 
account of his debts, although the general laws of the state, 
and the local law relating to assessments in the ciiy of 
Albany, contained provisions whereby, in the assessment of 
Personal property, a deduction should be made for the debts 
owing by the person assessed, 
So far as this act contravenes the law of congress by im- 
posing a tax upon shares of national banking associations at 
a greater rate than is assessed upon other moneyed capital in 
the hands of individuals, concededly it cannot stand ; but the 
point in controversy is whether an assessment made under 
the act is void for vrant of power in the assessora to make any 
assessment, or is only erroneous when made without granting 
the deductions allowed by the general laws of the state. If 
the assessors have no power to make a valid assessment of 
the shares eo nomine, or against the owners for the value of 
their shares, the whole foundation of the taxation fails. On 
the other hand, if the assessors have authority to assess under 
the statute in question or under the other statutes of the 
state, then the inquiry arises whether the assessment is er- 
roneous, because the proper deductions were denied, or 
because a rule of valuation which discriminated unfairly 
against the stockholders was adopted; and, this being so, 
whether there is any remedy except in a direct proceeding to 
review the assessment. Obviously, if the first theory of the 
complainant is sound, it is of no importance whether the 
shareholders of the complainant were, in fact, owing debts 
which should have been deducted from the assessment or not, 
because there was no jurisdietion for any action on the part 
of the assessors.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/266</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>645924</id>
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ments to be retained from their dividends, but that prior to 
the commencement of this action a considerable number of 
the shareholders filed tbeir protest and forbade the coraplain- 
ant to pay over the amounts or to retain them for the purpose 
of paying the tax. The statute imposes a duty on the com- 
plainant in the nature of a trust, but which it can only dis- 
charge at the peril of being subjected to numerous suits at 
the hands of those whose money it retains. As is said in the 
similiar case of Cumminga v.. Nat. Bank, 101 U. S. 167, &quot;it 
holds a trust relation which authorizes a court of equity to 
see that it is protected in the exercise of the duties pertaining 
to it. To prevent multiplicity of suits, equity may interfere.&quot; 
It is true the statute in terms does not require the bank to 
pay the taxes asseesed against its shareholders, but by neces- 
sary implication it authorizes the bank to do so, and thus 
brings the case precisely within the f acts of Cummings v. Nat. 
Bank. That case must be regarded as a decisive authority 
against the objections urged here to the right of the com- 
plainant to the relief demanded. 
A decree is ordered for the complp.inant. 
Stanley v. Board op Sup'rs of Albany County. 
(Circuit Court, N. D. New York. , 1880.) 
1. JUBIBDICTION OP ClBCUIT COUBT — SUIT B Y ASSIGNEE — ACTOFMAKOE 
3, 1875 — Under the act of March 3, 1875, no circuit court canas- 
Bume jurisdiction of any suit founded on contract in favor of an 
assignee, unless a suit might have been prosecuted in such court to 
recover thereon if no assignment had been made, except in cases of 
promissory notes negotiable by the law merchant and bills of ex- 
change, even in cases where no plea has been interposed to the juris- 
diction, nor objection taken to the jurisdiction either upon the trial 
or argument. — [Ed. 
Jackson v. Ashton, 8 Pet. 148. 
Wallacb, d. J. The complaint in this action must be dis- 
missed because the court has no jurisdiction of the contro- 
versy it diseloses. The action is for money had and received,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/284</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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division of the preceding section without first having Bubmit- 
ted the question * * * of borrowing money as aforesaid 
to a vote of the electors of the county. &quot; Other provisions of 
the law perfect the details of the business to be transacted by 
the commiesioners in connection with the voting and borrow- 
ing money. 
It will be eeen, from the foregoing, that before the commis - 
sioners can lawfully borrow money for the purpose of build- 
ing a court-house the right and authority to do so must be 
conferred by a vote of, the electors of the county. This is 
indispensable, as no right for such purpose exista without it. 
It must be observed that the authority here conferred on the 
county commissioners is to borrow money to build a court- 
house. The law does net authorize the people to vote bonds 
to erect the building. They may, by their votes, lawfully 
empower the commissioners to borrow money for the purpose 
in question, but they cannot authorize the commissioners to 
issue bonds for such a purpose, and have them hawked 
around the county and sold to A., B., and C. to raise money 
at a ruinons discount for any such a purpose. 
It is one thing to authorize the borrowing of money to build 
a court-house when needed, but it is another and very differ- 
ent thing to vote for the issuing of bonds therefor, when the 
law does not authorize it. It is true, if the people, by a 
proper vote, should authorize the commissioners to borrow 
money, that, on receiving the money, a bond or other evi- 
dence of indebtedness might be given for the payment of 
the money when due under the terms of the loan. This 
would, perhaps, foUow as an incident to the right to borrow. 
But, even then, the amount of money so boi-rowed should 
equal the amount for which the bond was given, otherwise 
there would be no end to the fraudulent practices of both 
officers and purchasers of bonds. Such a practice cannot be 
encouraged, and it is the duty of courts to close the doors 
against it. If, then, the law does not authorize the voting 
of bonds for any such a purpose as building a court-fiouse, 
then the authority to borrow money cannot be.enlarged by 
the commissioners or the people so as to include the rigth te&lt;noinclude&gt;
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proper course is to plead the misnomer in abatement, for, if 
she pleads over, she cannot take aclvantage of it. She must 
aver her marriage in her plea, and prove it affirmatively.&quot; 3 
Whart. Cr. Law, (7th Ed.) § 70. If, as is now argued, this 
means to apply only to the plea of misnomer, the paragraph 
is misleading, for the mere erroneou3 statement of the defend- 
ant's name in an indictment or information must be corrected 
by plea in abatement, whether the defendant be man or 
woman, married or single, and the status of the woman, as 
regards her being married or single, h, it seems to me, wholly 
immaterial, exoept as a matter of evidence on the plea. Id. 
§§ 636, 537. 
I think the C&quot;thor — and I say this with the utmost diflS- 
dence of one se eminent and learned in this department of 
the law — has confused somewhat two analogous but distinct 
things, namely, pleading a misnomer and pleading a wrong 
addition of estate, mystery, or place. Advantage is to be 
taken of either in the same way, but the failure to plead in 
abatement does not, perhaps, have the same effect; at least, 
not as to this matter of the addition describing a woman as 
married or single. The failure to plead a misnomer in abate- 
ment cures the defect if the defendant pleads not guilty, and 
for the purposes of that case the prisoner has the name given 
in the indictment. 3 Whart, Cr. L. supra; 1 Whart. Cr. L. § 
238; 1 Bish. Cr. Proe. (2d Ed.) § 791; State v. Thompson, 
Cheves' E. 31 ; People v. Smith, 1 Park. Cr. Cas. 329 ; State v. 
Hughes, 1 Swan, 261; Lewis v. State, 1 Head. 329. 
The addition of estate, or degree, or mystery required by 
statute 1 Henry V.c. 5, if omitted or wrongfully stated, should 
also be correoted by Emotion to quash, or plea in abatement. 
1 Whart. Cr. L. §§ 2^3, 248; Whart. Prec. (Ed. 1849,) 7, note 
e; 1 Bish. Cr. Proc. §§ 671, 675, 772. By statute 7 Geo. IV. c. 
64, and 14 and 15 Vict. c. 100, no indictment shall be now 
abated by reason of any plea of misnomer, or for want of or im- 
perfection in the addition of the defendant. Id. ; 1 Arch. Cr, PI, 
(by Waterman, 6th Ed.) 78, 110, 111. I do not find that we 
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controversy, has a marketable value, and is as much the 
subject of purchase and sale as any other stock, and.its own- 
ership carries with it all the rights or obligations which at- 
tach to it by virtue of the rulea and regulations of the said 
loan association, and there is no rule of law to make its pur- 
chase and sale an exception from that of any other stock. 
Throwing aside, for the present, all questions which may 
arise under the bankrupt law, we think the sale of these 20 
shares by the bankrupt to the complainants was valid, and 
gave them all the rights appertaining to sucb stock, after the 
payaient of all fines and dues, as was consistent with the 
terms of the transfer to the incorporation as a collateral 
security:for the payment of a debt. This court cannot admit 
the correctnes's of the position assumed by the defendant's 
soliciter, that no interest in this stock passed by the transfer 
to the complainants, on the ground that monthly dues were, 
by the terms of the collateral assignment, to be appropriated 
to the payment of the mortgage; for, had the corporation 
exercised the option of proceeding against the mortgaged 
premises, — -the primary security for the payment of its debt, 
— and thereby released the stock, to whom could it be said 
that the stock belonged? Manifestly, to the party pledging 
it, and who had brought it to its maturity by the payment of 
its monthly dues, and not to a third party who had contrib- 
uted no value toward its purchase. If the defendant's posi- 
tion be true, the Aid Loan, in such case, would be appropriating 
the money of a etranger to the payment of .its own debt, 
without affording him the opportunity of recovering the money 
advanced by him for its benefit. The Aid Loan had the right 
to elect to proceed against either security for the payment of 
the sum of $4,000 seeured by the bond and mortgage; and 
there was nothing in the terms of the pledge of the said stock 
as collateral security which impaired that right. Having 
ohosen to rely on the fund pledged as collateral security, i. 
«., the stock, and having appropriated the same to that pur- 
pose, it became their duty to tum over to the owner of the 
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far, if at ail, the provisions of section 5129 have been vio- 
lated* If the trarisfer is made void by reason of the violation 
of one section, the case cannot be altered by showing that 
there was an p,dditional violation of another. How far, then, 
was this transfer void ? In the opinion of this court it was 
totally void. The act of conjress makes it so. We do not 
see how it can be co.nsidered in any other light. This trans- 
fer of stock or contract is not divisible in its character ; it is 
not separable as tô the rights of different claimaats under one 
instrumenti which may be void as to one and valid as to 
others, as in the casa in 3 Harrington'a Eep. 117, (Waters v. 
Cotnly.) 
Now, if this transfer waS: void, as a consequence, no rights 
under it paased to the complainants, and whatever value 
there was in the stock, as a matured scheine, still remained 
in the bankrupt. Yet the complainants bave equities in this 
case which should be protected by the courts. To the matur- 
ing of this stock, which was used for the payaient of $4,000 
due on the mortgage aforesaid, the complainants made con- 
tribution, and.itiwould be manifestly inequitable that the 
assignee of the bankrupt should retain the amount of the 
màtured stock, and also the voluntary contributions of the 
complainants whioh «ontributed tobring the stock to the value 
of $e,000. AU the dues and fines paid by the complainants 
were just so much money recôived and appropriated by the 
loan Society, and enured to tbiô benefit of the bankrupt in 
paying off so much of the mortgage which was due from bis 
estate, and which sum the complainants are entitled to have 
returned to them, together with interest thereon. This sum 
amounts to $620 ,in the aggregate, having been paid by 
monthly instalments of $20 each, running through a period of 
^^1 months. They are also entitled to bave returned to them 
ivith interest on, the. same, the sumof $738, being the amount 
of cash and goods paid and delivered by the complainants to 
ifche bankrupt; at the time of the transfer of the said stock, as 
part consideration theref or. 
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that M waa not mentioned at the tlrae the compromise was efifected, 
did not show that there was any fraudaient concealmeut of the exist- 
ence of such suit. 
6. MlSBBFBESENTAIION— MakKIAGB BETTHEMENT— ALLEGATION OF VA' 
LTDiTY. — Reld, jMrth&amp;r, that the validity of the marriage settlement a? 
against the creditera of Prewitt, not provided for in it, was a question 
of law resting in opinion, and not a question of fact restlng in evi- 
dence and representation ; and, therefore, that when it was alleged 
to be valid, it was so alleged as a matter of belief only, and did not 
constitute a misrepresentation of fact. 
6. Mabru-GE Settlement — Guakanty of Validity. — Held, furihm-, 
that the mere transfer of the Prewitt notes did not constitute a 
guaranty of the marriage settlement by which they were secured. 
7. Coiitbact — Failobb of Considbbation— Rbscission. — Heid,further, 
that the litigation ia relation to the marriage settlement must be 
brought to a close, and the decree of nullity completed, before the 
settlement of May, 1867, could be rescinded npon the ground of fail- 
ure of consideration.— [Ed. 
In Equity. Suit to set aside a settlement upon the ground 
of fraud, mistake, and want of consideration. 
Beadley, C. J. Eeuben Chapman, the complainant in this 
case, formerly governor of Alabama, and a lawyer by profes- 
sion for a long time prior to the late civil war, and to some 
extent during the war, had dealings, as a planter in Alabama, 
with the firm of Bradley, Wilson &amp; Co., commission merchants 
and bankers, of New Orleans, who had a branch bouse at 
Huntsville, Alabama. Before the war commenced the firm 
had become largely indebted to Chapman, and the debt was 
somewhat increased afterwards. Their dealings being very 
extensive, and many of their assets proving worthless, thoy 
became financially very much embarrassed. In May, 1867, 
whilst in this condition, their account with Chapman showed 
a balance due to him of $23,650.29, which they proposed to 
compromise and settle by transferring to him a claim which 
they held against one Eichard Prewitt, consisting of two notes 
drawn in 1861, and then past due, amounting, with interest, 
to $20,136.23, and an open account amounting to $1,231.71, 
and a draft against one Nirnmo for $150.76. The ciaim 
against Prewitt was secured by a provision in a marriage 
settlement made on the twenty-seventh day of April, 1866, 
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ber, 1866, in the chaneery court of Lawrence county, Ala- 
bama, against Prewitt and his &quot;wife, Bradlejr, Wilson &amp; Co., 
and.Walker and others. This suit was pending when the 
settlement with Chapman was made, and the defendants had 
filed their answers therein, A decree was rendered in 1874 
sustaining the marriage settlement, and dismissing the bill. 
In December, 1870, another suit was commenced for the same 
purpose by one Eobert H. Wilson, Prewitt's assignee in bank- 
ruptcy, in the circuit court of the United States for the north- 
ern district of Alabama ; and that court, in April, 1878, made a 
decree declaring the marriage settlement fraudulent and void. 
Both of these decrees were appealed, the former to the su- 
preme court of Alabama, and the latter to the supreme court 
of the United States, and these appeala are still pending; so 
that the ultimate fate of the security which was assigned to 
Chapman in May, 1867, is yet undetermined. The bill in 
this case was not filed untU the fifteenth day of October, 1879, 
more than 12 years after the transaction took place which i,t 
assails. It seeks to set aside the settlement on the grounds 
of fraud, mistake, and want of consideration. It aUeges that 
Bradley, Wilson &amp; Oo., at thô time of the. settlement, and as 
an inducement thereto, represented thernselves to be insolvent, 
when, in truth, they were not insolvent ; that they represented 
the security contained in the marriage settlement to be good 
and valid, when, in fact, it was fraudulent and void; and 
that they coneealed the fact that a suit had already been 
instituted against Prewitt and thernselves to set the marriage 
settlement aside. It alleges that the complainant Chapman 
was ignorant of the facts, and was deeeived by these repre- 
sentations and coneealments, and was thus induced to make 
the settlement, which he would not have done had he known 
the truth. The bill is filed against the succession of Wilson, 
as before stated, and prays that the settlement of May, 1867, 
may be set aside, and that the complainant may be admitted 
as a crediter of the succession, and may have a decree for the 
payment of his entire claim against Bradley, Wilson &amp; Co., 
with the accumulated interest. 
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was any concealment. The matter may not have oeourred 
to the parties. Mr. Walker seems to have been perfectly 
confident of the validity of the marriage settlement, and of 
the futility of any efforts to assaii it, and he may not have 
regarded Lile's suit as of any importance. If mentioned, he 
may have se expressed himself to Governor Chapman when 
consulted about the marriage settlement ; if not mentioned, 
it may not have occurred to him. A reference to it may 
have been made, and may easily have escaped the complain- 
ant's memory. If satisfled with Walker 's views at the time, 
the details of tbeir conversations may have passed out of his 
memory. The lapse of time cornes in here as an important 
factor on the question of recollection and the weight of evi- 
dence. 
Then, as to the alleged representations about the validity 
of the marriage settlement, there is not a particle of evidence 
to show that any representations were made which the par- 
ties did not at the time honestly believe to be true, or that 
any facts were represented different from what they were. 
The validity of the marriage settlement as against creditors 
of Prewitt, not provided for in it, was a question of law rest- 
ing in opinion, and not a question of fact resting in evidence 
and representation, When it was aUeged to be valid, it was 
80 alleged as a matter of belief only. No misrepresentation 
of facts is set out in the bill, and none is established by the 
proofs. 
As Mr. Walker acted as the mutual friend of both parties 
in the settlement his testimony is important, and an abstract 
of it will perhaps give a clearer view of the transaction, as it 
actually occurred, than any statement which can be made, — 
somewhat fragmentary, it is true, being drawn out by inter- 
rogatories, but, nevertheless, clear and to the purpose. 
Speaking of the settlement of May 12, 1867, Mr. Walker 
says that he did not consider that he represented either of 
the parties in a professional capacity ; that the assignment 
of the security was made to him, as agent, at Governor 
Chapman 's request, but for what reason he does not know ; 
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of the trustee taldng possession of the property at once, and 
applying the rents in payment of the interest accruing upon 
the loan, Goldsmith might remain in posession while he paid 
the interest. The only interest or estate, then, which the de- 
fendant had in this property at the time of the demand, as 
the assignee of Goldsmith, was the possession, so long as the 
latter duly paid the interest accruing upon his note, and no 
longer. 
This, then, was not an estate upon condition, and therefore 
it was not necessary that there should have been either an 
entiy or daim (demand) to avoid the estate, upon the breach 
of the condition, but it was an estate upon a conditional limit- 
ation — an agreement for the possession so long as the inter- 
est was paid — a possession limited by that contingency ; and 
as Boon as it happened the estate terminated, and the right to 
the possession ceased without any entry or demand upon the 
part of the plaintiff or his trustee. 
The illustration given by Blackstone is in point : &quot;When 
land is granted to a man so long as he is parson of Dale, or 
while he continues unmarried, or until out of the rents and 
profits he shall have made £500 and the like. In such case 
the estate determines (ceases) as soon as the contingency hap- 
pens.&quot; 2 Black. 155; The 60 Associates v. Howland, 11 Met. 
101; Wash. E. P. 319. 
The conveyance to Hewett, and the stipulation concerning 
liis right to the possession upon the failure to pay the note, 
having been made for the benefit of the plaintiff, in consider- 
ation of and as a security for the repayment of the money 
advanced by him to Goldsmith, they ought to be construed, 
80 far as they are open to construction, favorably to the 
former, and with g} view to effect the object for which they 
were made. Goldsmith 's right to the possession terminated 
by his own act — his failure to pay the interest upon his note. 
Between that time and the demand by Hewett, he or his 
assignee was a mere tenant at will or by suffrance, and the 
demand of the possession was only necessary on accoTtnt of 
the contract to that effeot, and to enable the trustee to 
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it would bring. As and when it was sold, the proceeds do 
not appear to have paid more than two-thirds of the debt, 
whereas, if the trustee had been admitted into possession, he 
might have applied the rents and profits on the interest, and 
ultimately paid the whole debt by a favorable disposition of the 
property. However this may be, the person directly and pri- 
marily interested in the matter was the plaintiff, and the 
agreement ought to be construed so as to allow him to exer- 
cise his judgment whether to hold the property or sell it. 
The debtor could always protect himself against any abuse of 
this discretion, to his prejudice, by paying the debt and redeem- 
ing the property, or by the interference of a court of equity. 
As to the claim for damages on account of the plaintiff's 
being oompelled, by reason of the defendant's refusai to sur- 
render the possession, to bring and maintain a suit in equity 
to procure a sale of the property, it was not argued by coun- 
eel, and need not now be considered. 
It, at least, appears from the complaint that the plaintiff 
is entitled to reeover damages for withholding possession of 
the property during the peribd alleged, and therefore the 
complaint states a cause of action. 
Cahn V. BarnSS. 
(Circuit Court, D. Oregon. January 17, 1881.) 
1. Patent — Conieadiction of bi Oeal Evidence. — On March 12, 
1860, (12 8t. S,) eongress granted the swamp and overflowed lands in 
Oregon to the state, to be identifled and patented by the secretarj of 
the interior. On July 5, 1866, (14 St. 89,) congreSs granted to the 
State, to aid in the construction of a wagon road from Albany to the 
eastern line thereof, three sections per mile of the public lands, to be 
selected within six miles of said road, as the same might be located, 
and on June 18, 1874, (18 St. 80,) authorized patents to issue therofor 
as fast as the same should be selected and certifled; and on June 19, 
1876, a patent was issued under said wagon-road grant to the state or 
its assigns, for the premieeàin controversy. HM, that the patent was 
conclusive evidence at law that the premises were included in the 
wagon-road grant, and were therefore not swamp land, the latter con- 
clusion being a necessary element of the former.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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road&quot; from Albany, via Canyon City, through the Cascad. 
mountains to the eastern boundary of the state, granted tci 
the state the &quot;alternate sections of the public lands desig 
nated by odd numbers, three sections per mile, to be selecte&lt;i 
within six miles of said road.&quot; 14 St. 89. 
The act making the grant contains a provision that n i 
exceeding 30 sections of the grant &quot;shall be disposed of&quot; — 
sold — when and as fast as the govemor of the state &quot;shall 
certify to the secretary of the interior that any 10 continuous 
miles&quot; of the road are completed. By an act of July 15, 1870, 
(16 St. 363,) congresB changea the line of the road from Can- 
yon City to Camp Harney; and by the act of June 18, 1874, 
(18 St. 80,) it was provided in effect that whenever it ap- 
peared from &quot;the oertificate of the governor,&quot; as in the act of 
July 5, 1866, provided, that said road was &quot;constructed and 
completed,&quot; a formai patent should issue to the state, or any 
corporation being its assignee, &quot;for said lands,&quot; &quot;as fast as 
the same shall, under said grant, be selected and certified. &quot; 
By the act of October 24, 1866, (Sess. Laws, 68,) the state 
transferred the grant, &quot;for the purposes and upon the condi- 
tions and limitations&quot; eontained in the act making the same, 
to the Wallamet Valley &amp; Cascade Mountain Wagon Eoad 
Company — a corporation duly organized under the laws of 
Oregon in 1864. 
On August 19, 1871, said corporation conveyed the prem- 
ises in controversy to H. K. W. Clarke, who, ou September 1, 
1871, duly conveyed the same to the plaintiff. Thati the 
premises are included in a list of lands numbered 1, and de- 
scribed as &quot;lands granted to the state of Oregon by the act&quot; 
of July 5, 1866, aforesaid, to aid in the construction of said 
military wagon road, and on May 2, 1871, the commissioner 
of the general land-office recommended said list for approval 
as being the lands to which the state was entitled under the 
grant of July 6, 1866, and therein certified &quot;that it is shown 
by the certificates on file of the governor of Oregon, bearing 
date April 1, 1868, September 8, 1870, and January 9, 1871, 
that said corporation had completed its road from Albany to 
the 36.8 section, distance 368 miles, in conformity with the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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be such as the court would regard aa making out a prima /acte 
case against the accused. It is not the province of the court 
to sit in review of the investigations of a grand jury as upon 
the; review of a trial when' error is alleged; but in extreme 
cases, when the court can see that the finding of a grand jury 
is based upon such utterly insufficient evidence, or such pal- 
pably incompetent evidence, as to indicate that the indictment 
resulted from prejudice, or was found in wilful disregard of 
the rights of the accused, the court should interfere and 
quash the indictment. Very respectable authorities intimate 
than an indictment should be q^uashed when it appears that 
it was found by the grand jui-y without adequate evidence to 
support it, or when the grand jury permitted the rules of evi- 
dence to be violated, (Dodd's Case, 1 Leach, C. L, 184; Peu- 
ple V. Ristenblatt, 1 Abb. Pr. 268;) but if this were permitted 
it would resuit that the court would become the tribunal to 
indict as well as the tribunal to try the accused. 
In State v. Froiseth, 16 Minn. 298, it was conceded by the 
attorney general, and the court concurred, that where the 
grand jury required an accused person to be brought before 
them and testify touching the accusation the indictment 
should be set aside, although in that case the indictment was 
not found solely upon the testimony of the accused. In The 
People V. Briggs, Albany County Oyer and Terminer, Oshorne, 
J., (MS.,) held that an indictment should be quashed where 
the defendant's wife was called as a witness against him by 
the grand jury, for the reason that this was a substantial 
error, and it was doubtful whether the grand jury would have 
found an indictment without the wife's testimony. These 
authorities are in point here. 
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was flled, and, having so taken it, he took it subject to all perfected 
liens then existing, and is estopped to set up the general assignment 
to defeat the lien of the judgment crediter. 
Sureties for judgment debtors, who, after the attaching of a lien in 
favor of the judgment creditor, have b^en compelled to pay a part of 
the judgment debt, are thereupon entitled to be subrogated to the 
rights of the judgment creditor, in respect to the lien, to the extent to 
which they have paid the debt, and therefore, in this case, the bank- 
nipts' sureties who had paid, after judgment against them, part of 
the judgment against the bankrupts, are entitled to the beneflt of the 
judgment creditor'a lien to the amount paid hj them. 
E. Seymour, for petitioners. 
Geo. Bell, for assignee. 
Choate, D. J, This is an application by a judgment cred- 
itor for payment of his judgment out of the proceeds of real 
estate sold by the assignee under the order of the court. The 
ground of the application is that the judgment was a lien on 
the real estate at the commencement of the bankruptcy pro- 
ceedings. 
Prior to March, 1872, the five bankrupts and their father, 
Henry Lawrence, were partners in business under the firm 
name of Henry Lawrence &amp; Sons. The real estate in ques- 
tion then stood in the name of Henry Lawrence, but was, in 
fact, partnership property. By his will Henry Lawrence 
devised it to his five sons, the bankrupts, who continued to 
hold the legal title as tenants in common till their bankruptcy 
in May, 1878, except so far as it may have been affected, if at 
ail, by the general assignment hereinafter referred to. After 
the death of Henry Lawrence the five bankrupts continued 
the same business under the same firm name, till their fail- 
ure, using and treating the real est&quot;,te as part of their part- 
nership assets, taking all the assets of the old firm, and 
assuming all its liabilities, arranging with the executors of 
Henry Lawrence to have his interest and capital in the con- 
cern, or a large part of it, remairi as a loan to the new firm. 
The old firm of Henry Lawrence &amp; Sons had dealings with 
the firm of Merrifield &amp; McDowell, holding notes of that firm, 
and having a balance of account against them for goods sold. 
In 1874 the bankrupts sued the firm of Merrifield &amp; McDowell, 
joining as defendant one Edward L. Merrifield, claiming that&lt;noinclude&gt;
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protected, because the debt on which the judgment was recov- 
ered was a firm debt. The equities here mn with the statute 
lien, and not against it. The attaching of the lien effects the 
application of firm property to the payment of a firm debt, 
and neither the copartners inter sese nor other firm creditors 
are injured in their rights, legal or equitable, thereby. As 
between the petitioners and other firm creditors, the petition- 
ers are entitled to the advantage which their greater diligence 
gives them in obtaining a periected lien before the commence- 
ment of bankrnptcy proceedings. 
Lastly, it i» objected that under the general assignment of 
the twenty-ninth of April the title to this real estate, or, at 
any rate, an equitable interest in it, passed to the assignee 
named therein, and that this deieats the lien of a judgment 
afterwards docketed. It is insisted, however, by the peti- 
tioners that the general assignment was void and inoperative 
for any purpose of vesting a title or an equitable interest 
under the law of New York. And I think this view is correct. 
The statute regulating general assignments for the benefit of 
creditors, (St. 1877, c. 466,) provides that every such assign- 
ment &quot;shall be in writing, and shall be duly acknowledged 
before an officer authorized to take the acknowledgment of 
deeds.&quot; This, it seems to me, necessarily implies that the 
assignment, in case of a firm, shall be signed, executed, and 
acknowledged by all the members of the firm as a deed of 
real estate is required to be executed and acknowledged, and 
that an assignment not so executed is inoperative. Two of 
the partners did not sign this instrument, nor was there any 
proof whatever of the authority of Seabury Lawrence, who 
purports to have signed it as attorney in fact for the firm, to 
sign it on their behalf, if, indeed, a signature in the firm 
name, with authority from them, would be equivalent to a 
signature in their names. This requirement of the act of 
1877, that all the partners should join in the assignment, 
was in accordance with the established rule of law as held in 
the state of New York before the passage of that act, that 
copartners have no authority as such to bind each other by a 
general assignment of the firm property to a trustee for&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ruain Hnes of the letter. Nothing of the exact kind is shown 
in these exhibits, nor is there aaything which can be regarded 
as proof that the thing patented was kno-wn to others before 
the invention patented was made by the patentees. Many 
attempts are made to prove that fact, but the proofs all fall 
short of meeting the requirement. When the defence of want 
of novelty is made, it ia the duty of the tribunal, whether court 
or jury, to give it effect; but sueh proof or testimony should 
be weighed with care, and never be allowed to prevail where 
it is unsatisfactory, nor unless its probative force is sufficient 
to outweigh the prima fade presumption arising from the 
introduction of the patent. Wood v. Bolling Mill, 4 Fisher, 
550, 560; Parham v. Sewing Machine Co. Id. 468, 482 ; Hawes 
V. Antisdel, 8 0. G. 6852. 
Inventera may, if they can, kçep their inventions secret, 
and if ,they do it is a mistake to suppose that any delay to ap- 
ply: for a patent will f orf eit their right to the same, or pre- 
sent any bar to a subsequent application. Nor does any 
different rule prevail in the case pf a design patent. Delay 
less than for the period of t'^o years constitutes no defence 
in any case; but the respondents may allege and prove that 
the invention in -q,uestion had been in public use or on sale 
more than two years prior to the application of the party fpr 
a patent, and if they allege, and prove that defence they are 
entitled to prevail in the suit. Due allegation in that regard 
is made in this case, but the record contains no proof to sup- 
port it, and it must be overruled. From all which it follows 
that the patent is a good and valid patent, and that the com- 
plainants, if they have proved the alleged infringement, are 
entitled to a decree in their favor for the profits made by the 
respondents in the violation of their exclusive right to make, 
use, and vend the improvement secured by the letters patent. 
Prior to the alleged infringement, the complainants allege 
that they were in the exercise of the fuU and exclusive enjoy- 
ment of the franchise granted by the patent; and they charge 
that the respondents, having fuU knowledge of the premises, 
and of their exclusive right, have, without license, manufac- 
tured, usod, and sold, and still continue to manufacture, use,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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This was a bill in equity oomplaining of the infringement 
of re-issued letters patent No. 5,630, for an improvement in 
coupling and steering eanal-boats. The respondent denied 
the novelty of the invention, and alleged also that the re-issue 
was for a different invention from that described in the orig- 
inal invention. The case was heard on bill, answer, and 
prpofs. 
J. J. Comhs, for complainant. 
Henry Baldwin, Jr., for respondent. 
Pbb Cueiam. The bill here is founded upon a re-issued 
patent to the complainant for &quot;improvement in coupling and 
steering canal-boats.&quot; 
This re-issue is alleged to be invalid, as being for a differ- 
ent invention from that described in the original patent. The 
difference between the two patents consists in a slight change 
in the points of attachment of the coupling and centering 
chain, D, to the stem of the forward boat, which appears 
only in the drawing attached to the re-issue. It is altogether 
immaterial, inasmuch as the mode of operation, the manner 
of construction, or the function performed are not in anywise 
affected. 
The remaining defences do not require a detailed discus- 
sion. It must suffice to say that they are not sustained. 
The allegation of infringement is supported by satisfactory 
evidence, which the respondent's proofs have not overthrown, 
and none of the prior patents exhibited cover the complain- 
ant's invention. 
There must, therefore, be a decree for the complainant; 
but, inasmuch as the allowance of an injunction would cause 
much greater injury to the respondent than benefit to the 
complainant, the decree will be only for an account.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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lieard nor answered, and continued to port her helm. The 
two vessels came in collision above the buoy, the Santiago 
de Cuba striking the Scots Greys on the starboard bow. On 
behalf of the Scots Greys it was contended that the Santiago 
de Cuba was passing down in the middle of the channel, and 
caused the collision by porting her helm and running into the 
Scots Greys after the latter vessel had rounded the buoy and 
straightened up on the western side of the channel. On behalf 
of the Santiago de Cuba it was contended that she was pass- 
ing down on the western side of the channel, and that the 
collision was caused by the Scots Greys continuing to star- 
board her helm after rounding the buoy, instead of porting it 
in obedience to the signal from the Santiago de Cuba and 
pursuing the usual course up the channel, which it was 
claimed would have carried her to the eastward of the latter 
vessel. 
Ctirtis Tilton and Henry Flanders, for the Scots Greys. 
John G. Johnson, for the Santiago de Cuba. 
B'JTLEE, D. J. There is an unusual amount of testimony 
in this case, and quite the usual amount of contradiction. 
Many important questions bave been raised and disoussed, 
which need not, in the view I take of the case, be decided. 
According to the Santiago's stateinent, she was about 400 yards 
above the Horseshoe buoy when the Scots Greys was about 200 
yards below; and the collision occurred (as her libel asserts) 
50 to 60 yards above. This niay be accepted as true. Sub- 
stantially, I think, it is true. The respective distances from 
the buoy may have been slightly different, and the point of con- 
tact may have been a f ew yards higher up ; but not materially 
so. Both vessels were, I believe, towards the western side of 
the channel, when approaching the buoy. In this situation, 
what were their respective duties ? To answer the question 
other circumstances must be understood. Between the ves- 
sels, for nearly, if not quite, half the distance, Was a narrow, 
curving channel, acrosa which a flood-tide was sweeping east- 
ward, and over the flats on the Jersey side. The upward- 
bound vessel was heavily laden, drawing 21 feet of water, 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/386</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Ansioer. Supposing two steam-vessels, such as are described 
in this interrogatory, to be placed as therein stated, with the 
tide flood, — the upward bound would have the right of way, 
and the other must keep off. (a) The width of channel for 
the former vessel, with the tide as stated, wonld be about 375 
yarfis. Drawing 21 feet, and running with the current, she 
should have 24 feet to give her any practicable command 
over her course. For the smaller vessel the channel would 
be considerably wider. (b) While they might, with great 
care, pass each other opposite the shoal, prudence would 
require the downward-bound vessel to stop, some distance 
above, until the other had passed the buoy and straightened 
up. (c) If the downward-bound did not stop she would take 
upon herself the risk of attempting to pass, and would have 
to keep over to the eastern side of the channel. (d) The 
reasons why the upward-bound vessel should have the right 
of way, and the other should stop or pass to the eastward, 
are as follows : The channel, for the distance of a mile or 
more below the buoy to nearly a like distance above, is round- 
ing, being shaped like a broad horseshoe, with the toe pointing 
north-eastward. The tide when running up, sweeps across, 
and washes over the Jersey flats. A vessel deep in the water, 
and going with the tide, tends constantly and strongly, at thia 
point, to the eastern shore, and, without considerable care, is 
in danger of going upon the flats. Her rudder, with such a 
tide, affprds but a limited command over her course. She 
could not probably make precisely the same course twice out 
of a dozen trials. She cannot stop until around without 
serious risk. (e) Her safety therefore requires that she shall 
proceed, and endeavor to hug the western side of the channel, 
so as to resist the tendei^cy of the tide to carry her beyond 
deep water, eastward. And this endeavor cannot, safely, be 
relaxed until the vessel is a short distance above the buoy. 
The wheel should then be changed to port to straighten the 
vessel up. The sheer will not be broken, however, under the 
circumstances stated, before the vessel has run her length, 
or more. She will therefore be, probably, 200 yards above 
and westward of the buoy, when she straightens.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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made in the bill of lading. But the bill of lading is clean, 
and there is no evidence of any complaint whatever from 
the ship at the time, as to the condition of the cattle when 
going on board, In the next place, it is improbable that the 
owner of the cattle, who vas shipping them to be sold abroad 
on his own account, and who was personally present attend- 
ing to their shipment, would have brought them to the pier 
or perraitted them to go on board the vessel in an over- 
heated and exhausted condition. Inquiry would bave iu- 
formed him that the steamer was not to leave on the morn- 
ing tide, and, if his cattle had become overheated, is there 
any doubt that he would bave endeavored to delay their go- 
ing on board until the last moment ? Furthermore, the short 
distance which the cattle had come, the time taken in the 
driving, the early hour of the day, do not acccount for such 
a condition of the cattle as is described bytheclaimant's wit- 
nesses. That there was some beat is not doubted, and that 
from two to five of the cattle fell down and had water poured on 
them is proved, eut of which circumstance the witnesses have 
made as much as possible ; but the weight of the direct evi- 
dence in regard to the condition of the cattle, — one of the 
witnesses who proves the absence of exhaustion or undue 
heàt being an agent for the Society for the Prevention of 
Cruelty to Animais, without interest in the controversy, and 
present for the purpose of observing the condition of the 
cattle, — together with the undisputed facts, forbid the con- 
clusion that the condition of the cattle when put into the 
between-decks had anything to do with the subsequent sick- 
ness and mortality. 
It should be further remarked that there is evidence from 
the libellant himself that only cattle composing the first divis- 
ion, and which the claimant's witnesses say were not over- 
heated, went into the between-decks. This testimony, if 
true, disposes of the question of overheat or exhaustion, and 
leaves the condition of the between-decks on Sunday the onl}'- 
visible cause of the subsequent sickness, beoause the sickness 
was confined to cattle in the between-decks. Here, again, 
however, an important point, as to which many witnesses&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/396</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Hill, Wing a Shoudy, for the libellants. 
Beebe, Wilcox e Hobbs, for the ferry-boat. 
E. D. McCarihy, for the tug. 
Bbnediot, D. J. I am of the opinion that the damage to the 
bark Kings County, sued for in this action, must, upon the 
evidence, be found to have been caused by the negligence of 
those navigating the tug E. S. Conoter, which, at the time of 
the collision, was engaged in towing the bark. This negli- 
gence consisted in straightening up on the hawser attached to 
the bark 's starboard bow when the situation of the tug was 
such that the power so applied to the bark, in her then posi- 
tion, and at that state of the tide, caused the bark to move 
astern and into the side of the ferry-boat then under her 
etern. The character of the blow shows that the ferry-boat 
was substantially still in the water, and that the bark was, by 
the. action of the tug, backed against the ferry-boat. The 
ferry-boat was not in fault for stopping and reversing as she 
did. Such action was necessary to avoid a sloop, and she was 
entitled to suppose that the bark would remain where she was, 
or at least would not baok. Nor was the ferry-boat in fault 
for not continuing to back. When the ferry-boat stopped back- 
ing, the bark was upon her; if she had continued backing 
she would not have escaped the bark, and, by stopping her 
engine, she diminished the damages. If the bark had been 
moved ahead by the tug, instead of astern, or if she had 
been turned without going astern, there would not have been 
any collision. It was entirely possible for the tug so to tow 
the bark as to prevent her from going astern and across the 
river, and her failure to do this caused the damage in question. 
The libel as against the ferry-boat is, therefore, dismissed, 
and the libellant awarded a decree against the tug for the 
damage in question, with a reference to ascertaiu the amount.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/404</title>
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to be no part of the case for any other purpose than to effect 
the removal of the case from the state court to this court in 
the precise condition said case presented in the state court at 
the time the application for removal was presented to that 
court. That application cannot certainly be taken as a con- 
sent to submit to the jurisdiction of the state court ; and, as I 
understand the doctrine of appearance taking the place of or 
dispensing with the use of process to bring parties under the 
jurisdiction of the court, there must be some action of the 
party which reasonably evidences a voluntary submission to 
the jurisdiction of the court over the person of the party. 
In this case the defendant's first action in the state court is 
to except to the process by which it was attempted to give 
that court jurisdiction of the person of the defendant. And 
the £rst action of the defendant after the case reached this 
court was to interpose that exception here. I am, therefore, 
constrained to hold that the defendant has not waived the 
use and service of proper process of summons or citation in 
this case. 
It becomes necessary, then, to consider the other question : 
Has the defendant been properly served with due process of 
summons or citation in this case ? Service was attempted to 
be made under the act of the legislature of this state of 1875, 
&quot;prescribing the mode of service in certain cases,&quot; (Session 
Acts 1875, p. 170,) by having a certified copy of the petition 
and a writ called a &quot;citation,&quot; directed &quot;to any person resid- 
ing in Mobile county, Alabama, competent to make oath of 
the fact of service hereof,&quot; served on the defendant by deliv- 
ering to the president of the defendant company, in said 
Mobile county, Alabama, said certified copy of petition, and 
a true copy of said writ, by a person who makes oath that he 
made said delivery. No affidavit that the defendant was a 
non-resident was made by any one, and no publicaltion of any 
writ of citation was made, or any method of service attempted 
other than that above indicated. But, in the view I feel con- 
strained to take of the question under the authorities, it is 
wholly immaterial whether the method pursued in this case 
meets the requirements of the act of 1875, above reterred to.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/432</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646102</id>
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in the same terms as in the first, of work oxen and wagons, 
and the difference in the t^o cases is that, in the latter case, 
the conditional sale is evidenced by a written contraçt of the 
parties; and the vendee, without paying the stipulated price 
for the property, Bold and delivered it to the defendant, who 
purchased it in good faith and without notice of the vendors' 
wani of title, and the plaintiff, the first vendor, has brought 
an action of replevin for the property. 
M. W. Benjamin, for' plaintiff in first case. 
Erb e Erh, for defendant in first case. 
J. M. Moore, for, plaintiff in second case. 
Henderson, e Caruth, for defendant in second case. 
CALt&gt;WELL&gt; D. J. Conditional sales were valid hy the com- 
mon law, and their validity was not affected by the provisions 
of the English statute of frauds, nor are they within the record- 
ing acts of this state. In the case of a chattel mortgage, 
the property and possession of the chattel, in this state, is in 
the mortgagor, and neither the property nor the possession is 
changed by the mortgage ; but the mortgagee acquires, in the 
language of the statute, &quot;a lien on the mortgaged property 
from the. time the same is&quot; filed for record. Gantt's Digest, § 
4288. In a conditional sale, the property in the chattel is 
separated from the possession, the property remaining in the 
vendor, and the possession only passing to the vendee. The 
same thing happens upon the loan, hire, or other like bail- 
ment of chatteis ; in ail such cases the right of property in 
the thing bailed remains in the bailor, and the actual posses- 
sion passes to the bailee. If one loan or hire his horse to his 
neighbor, he does not bave to reduce the contraçt for the bail- 
ment to writing, and have it signed, acknowledged, and re- 
corded, in order to prevent the bailee from making an effect- 
uai sale of the horse, or his creditorg from seizing it on execu- 
tion for .his debts. 
Thepossession of personal propertyisundoubtedlypresump- 
tive evidence of title, but it is also a general rule that a vendor 
in possession of such property can impart no better title to it 
than he himself possessed. There are some exceptions ta 
this rule, but the case of a vendee in possession of chatteis.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/444</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&quot;10,148 ;&quot; and below it, in print, &quot;Doll.,&quot; and in writing, &quot;Dec. 
30, 1872, loans outstanding on Cint. Mut. policy 1789, sur- 
rendered, $403,&quot; 
There is no proof in the case which shows what payments 
had been made by the assured under the policy surrendered, 
but by the terms of the policy it was provided that a paid-up 
policy should be issued upon its surrender for an equitable 
sum, which should be, for three years' premiums, at least 
$1,500. 
The date of that policy was October 28, 1869, and the date 
of the present was the twentieth dayof December, 1S72; but 
payments of interest are provided for from the twenty-eighth 
of October, so that it is fair to say three years' premiums had 
been paid when this policy was issued. And, besides, the 
annual premiums upon the first policy were $532.90, and the 
amount aeknowledged as received in this policy is $1,598.70, 
which is the amount of three years' annual premiums. 
There is no testimony in the case, outside the policy of 
insurance, which shows how the sum of $24.18 interest pro- 
vided to be paid was arrived at, or in what condition the prin- 
cipal upon which this interest was to be paid was held by 
the Cincinnati Mutual. There is upon the policy of that 
Company a pencil memorandum of &quot;Loans out, $403,&quot; and 
the indorsement upon the policy in suit hereinbefore re- 
ferred to. 
By the agreed statement of fact it is shown that the Union 
Central Life, by an agreement with the Cincinnati Mutual, 
assumed the liabilities of said company upon all its outstand- 
ing policies, and that in pursuance of said agreement the 
policy in suit was issued. The issuing of the new policy 
must, therefore, be treated as if the Cincinnati Mutual had 
issued to the parties a paid-up policy for the amount specifled, 
for this policy is in fulfilment of their contract. If, at that 
time, the Cincinnati Mutual held the notes of the assured for 
a part of the annual premiums of the three years, and instead 
of requiring their payment transferred them to the Union 
Central Life, who, in issuing the new policy, instead of re- 
quiring their payment, agreed to treat them as a loan upon&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/448</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646121</id>
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Whalen V. Sheridan. 
{OireuU Court, 8. D. New York. August 19, 1880.) 
1. Phactice— BrcLS of Exception— Filing After Tekm. 
The power to reduce exceptions taken at trial to form, and have 
tliem signed and flled, is conflned, under ordinary circumstances, to 
the term at which the jiidgment was rendered. 
MvMer v. Elilen, 91 U. S. 251. 
2. Bamb — Samk — Samb. 
A stay of prpceedings was granted plaintift for 60 days from August 
27, 1879, in order to enable him to prepare a bill of exceptions. Judg- 
ment was subsequently rendered December 27, 1879, and the term at 
which it was entered expired April 3, 1880. Held, under these cir- 
cumstances, that a motion to file a bill of exceptions after the expira- 
tion of the term, upon the ground of sickness from about February 
25th to the latter part of May, 1880, and subsequent poverty owing to 
such protracted sickness, should be denied. 
3. Same— Same — New York Code of Practice. 
The rules of the New York Code of Practice have no application to 
writs of error and bills of exception in the United States courts. — [Ed. 
Motion for leave to fila and serve a bill of exceptions nunc 
pro tune. 
Scott Lord and C. C. Egan, for plaintiff. 
S. B. Cl'arke, Ass't Dist. Att'y, for defendant. 
Choate, D. J. This is a niotion for leave to file and serve 
a bill of exceptions nune pro tune ûnder the following eircum- 
stances : The action was for damages alleged to haye been 
caused by a trespass committed in 1867. At tfte Dotober 
term, 1878, on the twentieth day of December, 1878, the de- 
fendant had a verdict, and thëreupon a stay of proeeedings 
for 60 days was granted to the plaintiff. On the eighteenth 
of February, 1879, on the plaintiff's motion, a further stay 
of 60 days, after a motion for a new trial should be decided, 
■was granted for the purpose of enabling the plaintiff to pre- 
pare a bill of exceptions. In April, 1879, the motion for a 
new trial was argued, and on the twenty-eighth of August, 
1879, an order was entered denying the motion for a new 
trial. On the twenty-seventh of December, 1879, judgment 
was entered for the defendant on the verdict, and for his&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/458</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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prôperty. But it was different with regard to the $290 re- 
ceived by him from her mother's estate; no such separate 
quality was imparted to it, and it became the prôperty of the 
husband. As to the sum of $300 received from her brothers 
in 1862, and that of $495 received from them in 1864, by the 
law of Ohio it was the separate prôperty of the wife, and the 
husband had no title to it. As to the sum of $44 in 1877, 
and that of $45 in 1878, the only proof of the payment of 
these is by the wife that she paid it to him, and by him that 
he received it from her. I think, under the law of Ohio, this 
evidence will have to be excluded, which, as to these items, 
leaves them without proof. 
Let us now go back to the question of the rights of the wife 
growing out of the investment of the $1,000 in building and 
furnishing the house. The title to the land upon which it 
was built was in the husband's name. Did the payment of 
this sum for this purpose create a resulting trust in her favor 
to the extent of the money paid. To raise such a trust where 
the purchase money is paid by one and the title taken by 
another, the entire purchase money must bave been paid by 
such party; or if a part only be paid such part must be pàid 
for Bome aliquot part of the prôperty, as a fourth, a third, or 
a moiety, and there must be no uncertainty as to the propor- 
tion of the prôperty to which the trust extends. Olcott v. 
Bynum, 17 Wall. 44. And, again, such a trust must arise at 
the time of the purchase ; it cannot arise by after advances. Id. 
The facts in this case do not bring it within any of these 
requirements. It cannot, therefore, be said that this payment 
created in the wife a resulting trust in the title of any spe- 
cifie part of this land, by which the conveyance to the wife 
can be upheld. 
Can the conveyances be npheld as the execution of an 
agreement for a conveyance by the husband to the wife, as 
the consideration of the money received? Conveyances of 
real estate, in pursuance and execution of a prier agreement, 
have been upheld in bankruptcy, but it bas only been whera 
the terms of the agreement have been specifie and definite, 
and clearly establishedby competent evidence. Kesner v.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/462</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646136</id>
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charge. The court is also of opinion that the crediter bas no 
standing in court at this time; that the proceeding is prop- 
erly ex parte, and requires no notice to the creditors. 
The prayer of the petition is, therefore, granted. 
WiLT V. Geier. 
{Circuit Court, D. Bdawwre. January 29, 1881.) 
1. Mechanical Equivalehts— Samb Results. 
Where a peraon procurieffa patent for the building of a machine, 
■which produces certain resulta which are novel anduseful, by means 
of certain mechanical contrivances and appliances, any person who 
attempts to accomplish the same results by mere substitutions, which 
are equivalents of the means employed by the flrst patentee, is an 
infringer. 
2. Same— Difference m Fobm. 
Any application of known mechanical powers which will produce 
that resuit, although different in form from the means employed by 
the original patentee, is a mechanical substituts and equivalent of 
the same. 
In Equity. 
Worth Osgood, for complainant. 
George P. Fisher, for defendant. 
Beadford, D. J. This is a bill in equity, brought by the 
complainant, Wilt, against the defendant, Grier, for alleged 
infringement of said Wilt's letters patent No. 190,368, 
issued May 1, 1877, originally to A. Quincy Eeynolds, of 
Chicago, 111., and by him transmitted by mesne assignments 
to the complainant. 
This patent is for an improvement in automatic fruit dri- 
ers, and its peculiarity and novelty consist in mechanical 
arrangements and deviees by -which a stack of trays, fitting 
into each other, the outer edges of which constitute the outer 
side of the stack of trays, or drying-house, are moved up- 
wards, and suspended by attachments to the lower tray, in 
order that a fresh tray of fruit can be inserted at the bottom, 
and the process repeated at pleasure, thus building up the 
drying-house or stack from the bottom.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/464</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646138</id>
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* * * to any particular metbod of suspending the same,&quot; 
referring to the means of suspension of the stack as well as 
to the wheels of the drier. And again he says : &quot;Figure 1 is 
a partial section and elevation of my improved fruit drier, 
showing the same as being located over an ordinary stove, 
and illustrating a simple means of elevating the machine,&quot; 
(par. 2 ;) and again : &quot;The swinging crane and windlass com- 
bined is regarded as the simplest means likely to be employed 
for elevating the drier,&quot; (par. 8.) So ,that the complainant 
bas not limited himaelf to any terms in bis specification and 
claims to the employment of only the means and devices for 
suspending or elevating the stack, as shown by bis specifica- 
tions and drawings, but be bas left cpen to himself the use 
of other means which might occur to him as more convenient 
and better adapted to the &quot;purposes intended&quot; thau the 
mecbanism shown by the drawing ; the object and value of 
the patent consisting not in the use of any special maehinery 
for elevating the stack for the purposes intended, but the ele- 
vation and opening of the said stack at the bottom for those 
purposes by any maehinery best calculated to attain that end. 
The complainant bas evidently acted under the idea that 
be was at liberty to change the deviees for elevating the stack; 
for bis machine as manufactured and sold, and exemplified 
by Exhibit G in tbis cause, exhibits devices and arrange- 
ments for accomplishing tbis resuit different in form and 
structure from the machine as represented in the drawings 
and specifications attached to hia patent. 
The court is, therefore, of the opinion that any attempt by 
defendant, or any other person, to elevate the stack of trays 
80 constructed as aforesaid, and from a point at or on the 
lowermost tray thereof, so as to insert new trays at the bot- 
tom Buccessively, by any meohanism whatever, adapted to 
acoomplish that purpose, and which is a mechanical equiva- 
lent to the means employed by the complainant, is an in- 
fringement of bis patent. 
Has the defendant, Grier, substituted maehinery and devices 
in bis machine which are the mechanical equivalents of the 
mecbanism and devices employed by the complainant to ac-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/466</title>
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capacity of being moved upward from a point in or on the 
lowermost tray, and of being suspended in that position, so 
as to admit the insertion of fresh trays in succession. They 
are unlike in their respective appliances and devices by which 
these objects are accomplished, and also in the facility by 
which intermediate trays between the top and bottom can be 
removed. 
The devices by which the elevation of the stack of trays 
in the complainant's patent are elevated in the manner de- 
scribed for the purposes mentioned, are the cord and pulley, 
passing over an upright crane regulated by a windlass, or 
wheel and axle, with its ratchet and pawls as shown in one 
model — the point of suspension in this instance being directly 
over the centre of the stack ; and from the ends of the cross- 
bars, to which the rope passing through the pulley is attached, 
depend ropes or chains, which are attached by hooks to hand- 
les upon the lowermost tray to be removed, thus contributing 
both a lifting and suspending device, as shown by this model. 
The meana adopted in the other model, complainant's Ex- 
hibit C, which the eomplainant claims is authorized by his 
patent as within the scope of the powers granted therein, con- 
sist of a wooden frame supporting the stack of trays as before 
described, said wooden frame sliding up and down grooves 
in two opposite stationary posts, as power may be applied to 
move it, and connected by ohains to a chain passing over pul- 
leys in two upright posts at opposite sides of the stack ; the 
respective ends of said chains being attached to the short 
arms of two levers, the fulcrum of each lever being attached 
to the lower part and outer side of said upright posts ; the 
longer arms of said levers being connected with other chains 
passing over a 'drum or shaft regulated by its pawl and 
ratchet. 
By the last-mentioned device, the novel and useful inven- 
tion described in compiainant's patent of elevating the stack 
of trays, as aforesaid, by the application of power at a point 
in or on the lowermost, tray thereof, so as to permit the 
insertion of a fresh tray at the bottom, is accomplished. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/477</title>
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HowABDS ». Seldb» asd othera; Ex parte Tubfis. 
{Circuit Court, B. D. Virginia. May, 188C.) 
L Jdhibdiction of FiajBBAi:, Ctocai— Equitable Relief— Resident» 
OF Samb State. 
In a suit in a state court for an account against a deputy sherrS, 
who was insolvent and in default, and against bis sureties, in which 
the Wgh sherifl and his sureties and two creditera were parties, a 
decree was rendered in favor of the creditors, awarding each a sum 
of money. The non-resident representatives of one of these creditera, 
•who had died, brought a chancery suit in a United States circuit court 
making the other crediter and all the parties to the suit in the state 
court parties defendant, all the defendants being residents of the state. 
In this suit, in the federal court, it was ascertained that the two debts 
could not be made except against a surety of the high sberiff, and they 
were nxade by a sale of the lands of that surety, and the plaiutitls and 
the other crediter were paid. But, bef ore the cause was ended, one of 
' the sureties of the deputy sherifC became selvent ; whereupon the 
surety of the high sherifE, whoae lands had been sold, filed his petition 
in the federal court praying that this now solvent surety of the deputy 
sherifE, who was liable before himself for the two debts which had 
been paid, should be made to re-imburse himself in the amount of the 
two debts. 
Udd, that the federal court having, as a court of equity, jurisdic. 
tien over the parties before it, had jurisdiction to grant the prayer of 
the petition, though both the petitioning and respondent sureties 
defendant were residents of the same state. 
t, Dbcrbb of State Coubt — Dbfencb rst Federal Coubt. 
Edd, that the decree of the state court, which had not been ap. 
pealed from, waa conclusive against all who were parties to the suit 
in that court, and that it was not competent for them to make any 
defence in the federal court against the two debts decreed which it 
- might originally bave been competent fer them to make in the state 
court, but which they did not make there. 
t. JUEIBDICTION OF FeDERAL CoURT— CbEDITORB' BiLL. 
Rdd, that it was competent for the non-resident complainants 
in the federal court to bring in as defendants all the parties to the 
suit in the state court, including the other crediter, and, by a cred- 
itors' bill, to cbtain a decree for the payment of both debts awarded 
by the decree of the state court. 
In Equity. 
HtJGHES, D. J. Charles Selden was high sheriff of Powhatan 
county during the year March 3, 1847, to March 3, 1848, and 
gave bond to the county as such, with W. A. Turpin as one of 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/480</title>
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order of liability for these sums between the defendants to 
this cause. Gommissioner Hudnàll, basing his inquiry upon 
the amounts found to be due in the suit in the state court, 
reported (September, 1877) that $1,811.82 principal, and 
$1,893.50 interest, were due from Selden and sureties, (in- 
cluding Gordon and his sureties,) to the legatees of John St. 
John, and $461.63 principal, and $563.44 interest, were due 
from the same to the estate of John L. Cocke, — all together^ 
with costs, amounting to $5,127.18. This report was not 
excepted to by Stringer's representative, or any one else, and 
was confirmed by this court in October, 1877; and, by the 
same deeree, the court overruled the demurrer of Daniel 
Stringer's executer on all the grounds relied upon in the 
specifications to the demurrer. The court further decreed, 
funds being then available from no other source, that the 
real estate of William A. Turpin, deceased, should be sold 
for the satisfaction of the whole amount for which Charles 
Selden's estate had been found liable. Accordingly, in due 
jourse of proeeeding, Turpin's real estate has been sold, and 
brought more than the aggregate amount for which Selden 
and his sureties were liable; and the claim due the (How- 
ards) complainants in this cause has been fully paid, and 
also the claim of John L. Cocke's estate. 
But it having been alleged that Daniel Stringer's estate 
has now assets available for making good its liability, in part 
or in whole, in behalf of Gordon's to Selden's estate, and that 
of William A. Turpin, Selden's surety, the devisees of Turpin 
filed their petition in this court, praying to subject the estate 
of Daniel Stringer to the re-imbursement of their father's 
estate for the amount paid by it under the deeree of this 
court. Answers were filed to this petition by formai parties 
to the suit. Whereupon the court referred the cause again 
to Commissioner Hudnall to report on the issues raised by 
the petition and answers, and this commissioner made a 
report in June, 1879, to which there was no exception, bring- 
ing down his report of September, 1877, to that date. The 
case seeming to be ready for a deeree, this court entered one 
on the twenty-ninth of October, 1879, by which the devisees&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/484</title>
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optional with the representatives of Cocke to consent to ba 
made parties defendant to the suit of the Howards here 
brought upon the decree of the state court, and to accept or 
lot the amount which this court ordered to be paid to them. 
But the fact that this option existed, and that the represent- 
atives of both estates elected to accept the Powhatan court's 
leeree as determining their rights, does not put it in the 
)ower of Gordon's sureties to require them to repudiate that 
Jecree, and to require the Howards, so repudiating, to bring 
•heir action upon Charles Selden's bond. The Powhatan 
^lourt's decree was conclusive against all the parties to it, 
of which Stringer's executor was one, and this executor is 
estopped by it, on the principle of res judicata, from making 
this third objection. 
4. As to the fourth ground of objection, that is virtually 
disposed of in what has already been said. If valid, it should 
bave been raised in Selden's suit for account in the circuit 
court of Powhatan. The suit here is upon a decree of that 
court which settled the liability of Gordon and his sureties to 
Selden or his estate, and to the estates of Cocke and St. John. 
The validity of that decree, even though it included a liability 
of Gordon and his sureties fro some other high sheriflf than 
Selden, cannot be impeaohed collaterally in this court or in 
the suit here. At best, moreover, the objection is technieal 
only, and does not affect the merits of the case in a manner 
prejudicial to Stringer's executor. 
5. The fifth objection strikes me as a non sequitur. AU 
the parties to the suit in the state court are bound by the 
decree there. That decree determined, as against all these 
parties, that Gordon and his sureties, who were parties, owed 
to Cocke's estate and to St. John's estate, respectively, two 
defined sums of money. I believe Cocke and St. John were, 
in their life-time, parties to the suit; but that, on their death, 
during its progress, it was inadvertently not revived as against 
theif representatives. Be this as it may, it was competent 
for that court to determine, as between the parties to that 
suit, the amount of Gordon's default as deputy sheriff, and to 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/488</title>
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« 
the plaintiff's vendor's lien; for a sale of the lands, etc. 
There is nothing in the complaint to indicate that the sale 
by plaintiff to Ginaca and Gintz was made by liim as town- 
site trustee, or in any ôther than his individual capacity. 
Ginaca and Gintz, demurred; the demurrer was overruled, 
and they assigned to answer in 10 days. Having failed to 
answer in that time, default was entered against them. 
The defendants Friend, Terry, and Doane answered, de- 
nying any sale from Berry to Ginaca and Gintz, or convey- 
ance by him otherwise than as a town-site trustee, and set- 
ting up a purchase by them at sheriff's sale, upon an alleged 
judgment obtained by them against Ginaca and Gintz by con- 
fession. 
The laws of the United States (Eev. St. § 2387) authorize, 
in a given case, a county judge to enter at the proper land- 
office land settled upon and occupied as a town site &quot;in trust 
for the several use and benefit of the occupants thereof, ac- 
cording to their respective interests; the execution of which 
trust, as to the disposai of the lots in such town and the pro- 
ceeds of the sale thereef,&quot; to be regulated by the state legis- 
lature. 
The legislature of Nevada, after providing a mode of ascer- 
taining the interests of the respective occupants, has required 
the trustee to convey, by a good deed, any parcel of the land 
to the person entitled, acoording to the right as it existed at 
the time the entry was made. 2 Comp. Laws Nev, § 3857. 
After the patent has issued to the trustee from the United 
States, he is required to make such deed to the person legally 
entitled &quot;on payment of his * * * proper and due pro- 
portion of the purchase money for said land,&quot; together with 
certain other allowances to the trustee for making the deed, 
acquiring the title, and administering the trust, &quot;and the 
foregoing charge shall be fuU payment for ail expenses at- 
tending the execution, except for revenue stamps.&quot; Id. § 
3862. 
Any shares or parcels of the land not legally conveyed 
within a fixed time are to be sold to the highest bidder for 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/494</title>
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recover the insurance. The court denied the only equitable 
relief asked, viz., the correction of the alleged error in the 
pplicy, and concladed by saying that &quot;as the remedy of the 
plaintiff, Graves, on the pplicy, to the extent of his own 
interest, is complete at law.tbe decree of- the circuit court 
dismissing his bill must be affirmed.&quot; Now, in that case, 
if the plaintiffs had obtained the equitable relief asked, the 
court of eqnity -would have go^e on and given fuU relief upon 
the reformed poliey; but, the equitable relief being denied, 
nothing remained but a legal right capable of adequate re- 
dresB ,ç,t law, and the plaintiffs were dismissed to that forupi. 
This case is cited in Hipp y, Pabin, 19, How. 271, 278, to 
show that relief bas been. denied &quot;in cases in equity where 
the remedy at law bas beei^ plain, adequate, and complete, 
though the question was not raised by the defendants in their 
plep,dipg8, nor suggested by the counsel in their arguments;&quot; 
because. it is a question of jurisdiction, and &quot;no admission of 
parties can change the law, or give jurisdiction to a court in 
a cause of which it hath no jurisdiction ;&quot; and, further, when- 
eyer a court of law is competent to take cognizance of a 
cause, the plaintiff must prpoeed at law, &quot;because the defend- 
ant has a constitutional right to a trial by jury,&quot; &quot;In the 
courts of the Unitçd States it (this question) is regarded as 
jurisdictional, and may be enforced by the court sua sponte, 
though not raised bythe pleading nor suggested by counsel.&quot; 
Parker v. Cotton e Woolen Co. 2 Black, 545, 550. Where the 
remedy at law is adequate, the party seeking redress must 
pursue it. In such case the adverse party has a constitu- 
tional right to trial by jury.&quot; Id. 551. 
It being a question of power to make a decree, the fact 
that Ginaca and Gintz have made def ault cannot give the court 
jurisdiction to deçree in a casenot of equitable cognizance. 
It seems to us clear that whenever no equitable relief is given 
the plaintiff can bave no standing in a court of equity ; for, in 
Buch cases, the only ground upon which a court of equity pro- 
ceeds to give legal relief is that the party was compelled to 
corne to the court of equity, and ought not to be deprived of 
the legal remedy incidental to his equitable claim. When,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/498</title>
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So far, theû, as the 375 shares are concerned it seerns clear 
that there is no liability on the defendant's part; but that he 
is properly chai-geable with the 125 shares, which were regu- 
larly purehased in the board, has hardly been seriously con- 
ti-adicted. It was suggested, however, that the order for 500 
shares might and ought to be regarded as an entire contract, 
and that the defendant was not bound to take less than the 
whole 500 shares. A sufficient answer tô this position is 
that, upon receiving the defendant's order to buy 500 shares 
at a limit of three dollars, the undertaking of Prankel &amp; Block, 
as brokers, was not to deliver the whole absolutely, but to 
buy 80 much as could be bought in the regular way below or 
at the limit. Moreover, there are no ciroumstances in this 
case showing, or tending to show, that the defendant regarded 
the purchase of the whole number.of shares as essential to 
the value of a part. An ordinary broker's contract for the 
buying of stock, each share of which has a distinct and inde- 
pendant value, cannot be regarded as entire. The resuit 
upon this stock transaction is that the defendant is entitled 
to a credit for 375 shares, at three dollars per share, for com- 
missions, and for interest thereon, at the rate of 2 per cent. 
per month, from September 28, 1874, down to the day 
of , 187-, and at 10 per cent, per ^nnum thereafter, 
80 long as those rates have been charged against him in the 
account sued on. 
The charges for telegrams were made in this way : Prankel 
&amp; Block were in the habit of receiving orders daily for the 
purchase and sale of mining stocks. It often happened that 
a number of orders would be sent to San Francisco in one 
dispatch. In such case the practice was to charge each cus- 
tomer having an order therein 75 cents, (that being the proper 
charge for a single telegram of 10 words,) although such cus- 
tomer's proportion of the actual cost was of ten^ if not always, 
much less. Sometimes a single order would be sentJor one 
customer, and then the actual cost of the' telegram was 
charged. But how often this may bave been; done in defend^ 
ant's case nowhere appears. No effort waa made tokeep an 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/502</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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or any other portion of this account, until the bringing of 
this suit in November, 1877. It thus appears that he re- 
tained the last aecount more than a year without objection. 
This warrants fully the presumption that he acquiesced in the 
accounts, and it ia unnecessary that he should bave given an 
express assent. Wiggins v. Burkham, 10 Wall. 129. The 
defendant, however, says that acquiescence ought not to be 
presumed, because he did not in faet know what rate of 
interest was charged to him in bis accounts. 
It is perhaps a sufficient answor to this to say that, having 
been in the receipt of these monthly accounts for a year, if 
he did not know be should bave known that he was bound 
to examine them enough to discover what a very slight exam- 
ination would bave disclosed, upon the principle that a party 
is chargeable with knowledge when the means of knowledge 
are within bis reacb. Ogden v. astor, 4 Sandf. 332. It 
would, indeed, be wrong to permit the defendant to lie by 
without objection while bis broker advanced large sums for 
him upon the understanding that the rate of interest was to 
be as charged. But there can be no reasonable doubt that 
Strouse did know and assent to the rate of interest as charged. 
Hia account was large, the interest charge alone some 
months amounting to over $800. 
The account for July is as follows : 
July 1. To balance, 
&lt;• 
$39,695 73 
&quot; 10. Assesst. 200 Davey, 
B m 
100 00 
&quot;, 30. 30 Ophir, 57, - 
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1,710 00 
Com. and tel. 
• 
18 60 
&quot; 31, Interest^ 
' 
817 50 
Cr. 
July 12. Div'd 50 con. va., - 
• 
500 00 
&quot; 31. Balance, 
- 
$41,841 83 
It is impossible to believe that any businesp man could 
receive so simple an account and not know from it the rate 
of interest be was charged. The testimony shows that these 
accounts were rendered for the purpose of , informing the de- 
fendant how bis account stood. The dealings between the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/504</title>
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.TJie rigM of the plaintififs to apply the paynjients so made 
to, that portion of the acoount which is for intereet at 2 per 
cent, per month is denied. The argument is that the charge 
for interest is illegal, and while the creditors in this case had 
a right to apply the payments, his right is confined to demands 
which are legal, and can be enforced. Upon this point the 
law seems entirely settled. So far as I can discover, there 
is no conflict of authority. The established rule is that when 
a creditor has two demands, one of which is lawful and the 
other unlawful, — that is to say, arising out of some contract 
prohibited by law, — the creditor can apply an unappropriated 
payment only to the lawful demand. Rohan v. Hanson, 11 
Cash. 44; Caldwell v. Wentworth, 14 N. H. 431; Bancrqft v. 
Dumas, 21 Vt. 456. 
,; But inany demands are la\vful which cannot be recovered 
by a suit at law, and to the payment of ail such demands the 
creditor maylawfully apply mpneypaid to him by his debtor, 
whenever the debtor fails to make açy appropriation. Thus 
a, debt.barred by the statute of limitations may be liquidated 
in preference to debts not barred. Ramsey v. Wasner, 97 
^^Sb^B.^y MilUy^.FowheSf 5 Kng. (^.:C.)e55; Williams v. 
Qriffi.tJ.iy5 M.. &amp;^^ 300. ' ' . 
,,,:So in .cases where no recovery. can be had because the 
promise is not in writàng, as required by the statute of frauda. 
Haynea y^ Nice, 100 M.&amp;B3,B27; Murphy \.Webber,61 Me. i78. 
. In like manner, where a statute did not prohibit the sale 
of liquor, but enacted &quot;that no person should maintain any 
action for sums for or on account of spirituous liquors, &quot; it was 
held the seller might apply an appropriated payment to the 
account for liquors and sue for other articles. Philpott v. 
Jones, 2 A. &amp; E. 41 ; Cruikshank v. Rose, 1 Mood. &amp; Eob. 100. 
So, where the creditor had an equitable demand, arising out 
of partnership relations, he was allowed to apply payments, 
made generally, to the equitable claim, and sue at law for his 
legal demand. Sosanquet v. Uray, 6 Taunt. 597. These 
cases illustrate the distinction which is made between con- 
traets &quot;which the law simply declines to enforce, and those 
which it directly prohibits.&quot; Phillip v. Moses, 66 Me. 70.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/510</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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filea as part ot the record in this case. In cases in which 
amendments 6t the record have been permitted, it has been 
dooe to supply some defect,'and to conform it with the truth 
or the real intention of the court. But in the present case 
there is no defect in the record. It speaks the truth, and is 
exactly that which the court intended it should be. 
The general finding of the issues of fact in favor of the 
plaintiff satisfies the requirements of section 649, and -was 
made and signed by the judge, and intended to be a general, 
as distinguished from a special, finding. Here, then, there is . 
no defect, no mistake, no error; &quot;the record conforms to and 
«xhibits the truth.&quot; A special finding of facts, if signed and 
allowed to be filed now, would contradict the record. The 
judgment of this court was based upon a general, not a spe- 
cial, verdict. There is nothing in this record by which the 
amendment asked can be made. In the case of Ins. Co. v. 
Boon, 95 U. S. 117, there was no technieal finding of facts, 
general or special, and there was therefore a defect in the 
record. The opinion read on the decision, and filed, con- 
&quot;tained the statement of facts upon which the judgment was 
based. &quot;Ail that was wanting to make it a suffieient special 
finding,&quot; say the court, &quot;was that it was not entitled 'finding 
of facts.' &quot; I see nothing in that case to warrant the course 
asked in this. That was the correction of a defect in the rec-, 
ord in conformity to the truth, by the aid of the opinion of 
the judge; this would be a change of the record not in ac- 
cordance with, but in contradiction of, the truth- The prayer 
that special findings of fact be signed and filed nunc pro tune, 
as of the November term, must be denied. 
The other question is whether a bill of exceptions can now 
properly be sealed and filed for the first time. Notwith- 
standing the rule of this court prescribing the time within 
which bUls of exception must be dràwn ,up, it is undoubtedly 
mthin the power of the court to except a particular case from 
its operation whenever it is just to do so. U. S. v. Breitling, 
20 How. 252. At the time judgment in this case was ren- 
■dered, the defendant's attorney was absent in Colorado, and 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/522</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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SHAiNWAiiD, Assignee, v, Lewis. 
(District Cemrt, D. Nevada. December 11, 1880.) 
1. AsBiGNBK — Bankrupt Act — Sectios 739, Rbt. 8t. 
■ While an assignee who has been appointee! by a court of bank- 
ruptcy of another district may stie in this court to recover aasets f rom a 
stranger, such action mu.st be by a plenary suit, and there is nothing 
in the bankrupt act which takes such a suit out of the provisions of 
section 739 of the Revised Statutes, although the defendant may have 
property in this district which is claimed to be assets ; and the defend- 
ant must be an inhabitant of, orbe found in, this district at the time 
of serving the writ, to give thig court juiisdiction. 
t. Section 738, Rbt. St., Con8tkot!d. 
This section does not refer to a suit like the present, in which the 
plaintiS seeks, through a receiver, to apply the general property of 
a defendant to the payment of his debts, but to suite in equity, to 
enforce some pre-existing lien or daim upon a speciac piece of 
property. 
James L. Crittenden, for plaintifiF. 
Robert M. Clarke, for receiver. 
Philip G. Galpin, for defendant. 
HiLLYBE, D. J. This is a motion to vaeate a fomier order 
of this court, appointing Balph L. Shainwald receiver of the 
property of the defendant, Lewis, in the district Of Nevada, 
The plaintifl is the assignee in bankruptcy of the firm of 
Schoenfeld, Cohen &amp; Co., and of Louis S. Schoenfeld, Isaao 
Newman, and Simon Cohen, who have been adjudicated bank- 
rupts by the district court of California. After his appoint- 
ment as assignee the plaintiff filed a bill in equity in the dis- 
trict court of the United States for California, against the 
defendant, Harris Lewis, by which he sought to bave a cer- 
tain judgment obtained by; Lewis against the bankrupts set 
aside on the ground that the judgment was fraudulent. In 
that suit the plaintiff obtained a decree setting thesaid judg- 
ment aside, declaring the evidence upon which it was based 
fraudulent, and the defendant, Lewis, a trustee of ail the 
property acquired by him under said judgment for the ben- 
efit of the creditors of the bankrupt firm and of the assignee. 
He was also decreed to pay a large amount of money, nearly 
$100,000, by way of damages, interest, and costs, Upon this&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/526</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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an iattachmekt of his propertj? iii Ehode Island. The defend- 
ant pleaded tathe juri^diciioà that he waa not an inhabitant 
of nor, found in Bhode Island at the time'of the pretended 
servingiOf the: writ. The eorirt,&quot; in announcing its decision, 
ftllude to . the settled consttuotiûni of the eleventh section of 
the judi&lt;siary aet, requii:ing!is,r^s6n(icie ; on the peraon of the 
d'efesadant within the district, aaidlehàt no jurisdiction can be 
ftcquired by attaching pfopert|rijof a non-resident defendant 
■punsnaati to a stafotattaohment rlawi'andieay: &quot;It is insiatedy 
hbw«,yer,;for the/plaintiffs ihd* ihm&amp; rulings were had in cas©^ 
aseisiHg where the Ijurisjlictioln depiended on eitizenship; where, 
aa .hsr@ti the suit is f ounded Km , an àct of congres» ; conf erring 
jarisdictsbn on the eircuife courts lôf the ¥nited:Btates in saits 
feyànyentors against those.wito infringe their letters patent^ 
ineluding ,all «asies both at law^and iii eqnity arising under 
the patent la^.iwithout *eg^rd to eitizenship of . the parties qr 
the amount'in controYersy,-and therefore the eleTenth section 
of the.judiciary act did not apply,&quot; r But the court held that 
that section &quot;applied in its'ilerms to ail civil suite; it mafces; 
no exception, nôr can the. courts make any.&quot; 
'. &quot;The judicial power extends'to aHi cases in law and equity 
arising undei the constitution and laws of the United States, 
ana it is pur&amp;uant to this clause of the constitution that the 
TJnited States courtsi are veated with- power to- execute th© 
laws respectingiaventors and patented inventions ; but where 
euits are tO: be 'brought isleft to^he general law, to-wit, to 
the eleventh section of the judiciary act, which requires Per- 
sonal service of process within'the district where the suit is 
brought, if the defendant be an inhabitant of another state.&quot; 
The argument, then, which would take this case out of the 
operation of section 739^ beeause jurisdiction of bankruptcyi 
matters is conferred.withoul regard to the eitizenship or res- 
idance of the parties, is not a valid one. That was precisely 
the argument in the case last cited. Jurisdiction of a suit 
byian asbigneeiin another .distiiof exiists urider the bankrUpt 
law, but how 'service, of &quot;pioeess shall be made is still regn- 
lated by the former la/w. That the 'defendant, Lewis, ha» 
been guilty lof ; the grosseat frauds in connection with the'&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/528</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646210</id>
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oply be made ayailab]e in this,. district by obtaining; a, jnàg 
ment b;9re, a§ the plaiutiflf . is seeking to do. , The decree will 
be conclusive eyidçnce» if there iB no objection made to the 
jurisdiotjon of the, court promqnneing it; but the defendant, 
Lewis, bas a r^gh^i-tp maketh^t4efence, 9,nd no personal 
judgnient can be; pronounped until.heis served with process. 
The property can ne ver be applie^ to the paynaent of the 
d^cree in CaliforniarnntU.it has been reduced to judgmentin 
this court. An-, assertion thai ^, thing is assets does not 
make it, so; nor. can.any prima facie sjiowing be so plain 
that a çpurt will be justifled^in^proceedipg to determine a 
man's case in the absence of duerBotice to him. 
Probably ev^erything alieged in the, biU touahing the pro- 
ceedings in California is true, but the defendailt has a right 
tp, be heard upon that. , He has a right to insist that he be 
d^lly served with proeesa, and. then he has a right to answer 
and deny the. allegations of the bill. To proceed, after he has 
objectedhia non-reaidence, and.the service on him outof this 
district, would be §, plain case of usurpation,, as it seems to 
me, unless the faot that there is property here subject to the 
jurisdiction of, this cqurt justifies further proceedings. Such 
justification must be found, if at ail, in section 738 of the 
Eevised Statntes of the United States. That section pro- 
vides: &quot;When any defendant in a suit in equity to enforce 
any legal or equitable lien or claim against rçal or personal 
property within the district where the suit is brought, is not 
an inhabitant of nor found within said district, and does not 
voluntarily appear thereto, it shall be lawful for the court to 
make an order directing such absent defendant to appear,&quot; 
etc. Upon proof of the service of the order the court is 
authorized to proceed to the hearing and adjudication of the 
suit, to affect the property of the absent defendant in the dis- 
trict only. 
In my judgment this section was only intended to reach 
those suits in equity in which it was sought to enforce some 
pre-existing lien or claim, legal or equitable, upon or to some 
specifie property, real or personal, and not cases in which it 
is sought to reach and appropriate the general property of a&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/534</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646216</id>
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the Southern district of New York was made were such as to 
deprive that decree of any greater effect than as evidence of 
an acquiescence in the plaintiii's daim under these patents 
by the particular parsons there siied, Eor that decree was 
in substance a decree by default. In point of fact, no oppo- 
sition was made to its entry'; no contest Was had before the 
court; and it is plain to see that the decree was because of an 
understanding between the parties thaticontest should cease, 
and not because the court had examined the plaintifif 's pat- 
ents and found them to be talid, 
Treating the decree relied on by the, plaintiff as no more 
than evidence that the defendants in that suit acquiesced in 
the plaintiff 's claim under these patents, itis manifest that 
sufficient ground upon which to grant a preliminary injunc- 
tion has not been made to appear. The motion is thexefore 
denied.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/546</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646228</id>
    <revision>
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the difficulty ûf debiding what was thë last residence of a de- 
eeased'person, for the purpose of gràntingàdmimô'tratidiiupon 
his estate, and what useleàs' confiieion, litigatiôn, and loss 
woiild foflow if the judginent- of the couhty jndge upon such a 
queëfeion was open to attack côliaterally, ^çyhenever and 
■wherever any right of action or property arising out of or 
depending upon the colrrectness of such judgment was con- 
tested or called in Question. 
Withib the 70 days immediately prior to his death, Perkins 
was ik four counties of the state. Already administration 
has been gtanted in two of them, upon applications made 
under the ad vice of learned sind eareful counsel ; and if I were 
called upon tb decide 6f -which county he was an ihhabitant, 
at or immediately before his death, I shoûld probably say 
noteitherof these, but' Marion county. So that if the rule 
ooritended foi? by the libellant Vere to prievail,and the gràht 
of administration be he-H Toid; in case it appeàrs to this 
court that it was riot made'in the proper couuty, the conclu- 
sion might bë' that • neither Davis nor Holmes is the legal 
administi'atôr of the deceased. But I do not think the resi- 
dence of the&quot; deceased is an bpen question in this court. In 
the exercise ôf''it8 general jurisdictiûn'ldyer the estates of 
deceased persons, the county court of Multnomah county, in 
the àppointment of Davis as administratoT, decided that the 
deceased was an inhabitant of that cduntyat the time of his 
deàth, anid' this decision, except upon appeal, is coriclusive of' 
the' Question. ' 
The grahtof administration to the libellalrit having been 
màde tipcfe an esfate wlrfch *i^às not vaûant, but already 
vested in the administra toi* àppOinted'by the court of Mult- 
nomah county, it fbllows thalt such grant is void, and the 
pleà of ne img'ues'administrator is sustaihed. This conclusion 
also deriVôs. support from the analogies of the foliowing cases 
rfelatirig to the question 'of jurisdiction' in probate courts and 
matterS': Grigndn v, Asibtj^ H.O-W. 385; Florentine Y.Barion, 
2 Wall. 210; Comstockt.&amp;rtiiuford, 3 Wall. 402; Canjolle v. 
Fm-ifii 18 Wall.'e69'; Broderick's WiU,21 Wàll. 509; Mohr&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/548</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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fhe forward end of these railings the deck was 20 feet across, 
and from therô to the end of the boat — a distance of eight 
feet — there was no rail or guard ; neither was there any chain, 
gate, or guard across the deck, or any like meaiis to prevent 
the egress of pàssengers at or before landing. 
On the Portland side of the river the boat landed at a 
pontoon about iO feet wide, with a circular recess in the front 
of it about 20 feet across and 8 feet deep in the center, into 
which thô bow of the boat was run, and then fastened by a 
line taken from the boat on the port or upper side at or near 
the end of the ràiling, and belàyed tô a kevel on the upper side 
of the pontoOn about 10 feet from the boat, and then an 
apron about 12 feet in length was turned over from the front 
of the former on'to the bow of the latter, which served as a 
bridge upon which wagons crossed the joint or slight opening 
between the boat and pontoon, while the foot pàssengers 
usually stepped off from the former on to the latter anywhere 
within the circle, The cabin was in the middle of thfi boat, 
runningfore and aft, with a pilot-house at either end and a 
wagon way on either side, with a stairway at each end asoend- 
ing between the house and the cabin — the one then next to 
the shore from the port side. While crossing the river the 
deceased and the family, with two or three others, occupied 
the cabin, which was lighted, but the light did not produce 
any efifect forward of the pilot-house. The mail wagon, drawn 
by two horses, was on the port side roadway and nearly 
abreast of the stairway leading into the cabin. On this occa- 
sion, owing to the darkness, the boat did not make her land- 
ing at the pontoon direct, but ran in Irom down the stream, 
and at an angle of about 57 degrees -with the line of its face, 
and went hard up against the pontoon at each end of the cir- 
cular recess therein, leaving a crescent-shaped space between 
it and the pontoon and these points of about 18 inches in 
width at the center. As soon as the boat struck the pontoon 
the ^atchman stepped on to the upper side of it, sat down 
his làmp and made the line fast to the kevel; and àt the 
same time most of the pàssengers — probably 20 or 30^who&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/552</title>
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of à publie street, Ihe intoxication of tKe plaintiÔ cannot 
excuee auch gross negligence. A drunken mah is as much 
etilitled to a eafe street iaië a sober one, and much more in 
needof it.&quot; - 
As io the warning, admitting, for the presenli, that th'e 
defendant migM by'this means excuse itself for the want of 
light, guàrd, and'Signalfor landing, the proof is'not eatisfac- 
tory that àny distinct warning not to go a;8hore was gix^n to 
the deeeased that h6 was'bound to recognizie, as intended for 
him, or as coniing from any one atithorized to direct or inter- 
fere with the conduct of the passengers, The objurgation of 
the driver of the mail wagon is claimed to have beeh a suf- 
ficient warning; but,'apart from the fact that he was only a 
paissenger, the fair inference from ail the cireumstances is 
that what' the driver said was occasioned by and confined to 
the alleged interference of the deceased with bis horse. The 
pilot, (Charles F. Jones,) who, under the cireumstances, ap- 
pears to be a fair witness, did call ont from the pilot-house, 
àiid probably as the deceased was going forward, &quot;to stand 
liacik.&quot; But there is no evidence that the call was particu- 
lafly intended fox the deceased, or if it was that he had any 
reason to think so, or even that he heard it. There were 
other persons in iiSbnt of the pilot-house, also going forward, 
as well as the deceased. ^ The deceased was a stranger to the 
boat, the place, and the manner of proceeding. He saw the 
great bulk of the passengers had gone off, and if he heard the 
call he might as well have understood it as applicable to the 
hôtel runners on the edge of the pontoon waiting to catch the 
rest of the passengers. Some of the witnesses on shore also 
state that they cried, &quot;Stand back,&quot; intending it for the de- 
ceased, without, however, mentioning any name. But their 
testimony upon this point is vague and indefinite, and upon 
other points where the facts are clear some of them are' much 
mistaken. One in particular states that the boat was fast- 
ened upon the lower sida of the pontoon, while there is no 
doubt but that it was fastened on the upper side ; and 
that the passengers got off on the lower side, when it is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/560</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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corporation composed of citizens of another state has the 
efifect to create a corporation not composed of citizens of Ken- 
tuoky, we must conclusively presume that they are. Railroad 
V. Letson, 2 How. 497; Marshall v. Railroad, 16 How. 314; 
Muller V , Dows, supra. 
This fiction has been repeatedly resorted to in support of 
the jurisdiction of the federal courts, and must, necessarily, 
be as efficaeious to defeat it in a case like this. The fact 
that these presumptive citizens of Kentncky are, by like pre- 
sumption, at the same time citizens of Tennessee, Missis- 
sippi, and Louisiana, by reason of charters granted in those 
states, cannot alter the principle, The plaintif here is a 
citizen of Kentxicky, and the defendants (a corporation) are, 
by this conclusive presumption, citizens of the same state, 
and, therefore, the conditions required by the constitution to 
give us jurisdiction do not exist. Neither can the fact that 
these ineorporators, owning charters in several states, bave 
authority of law to conduot their business as a single or Con- 
solidated corporation change this resuit. In each state, by 
operation of this presumption, they are conclusively held to 
be citizens of that state, and of that state alone. This seems 
to me to be the principle that underlies the question, and to 
be conclusive against the jurisdiction. 
It is said, in the case of the Bank of Augusta v. Earle, 13 
Peters, 519, that a corporation can have no legal existence 
eut of the bounds of the sovereignty by which it is created. 
It exists only in contemplation of law and by force of the law, 
and where that law ceases to operate the corporation can 
have no existence. It must dwell in the place of its existence. 
And this was reiterated in Marshall v. Railroad, supra, 16 
How. 328. It may contract, sue, and be sued elsewhere, but 
when we corne to the question of its residence or habitat, it 
must be taken to be in the state which created it. Dodge v. 
Woolsey, 18 How. 331; Wheeling v. Baltimore, 1 Hughes, 90. 
Eeviewing the decisions on the subject, the circuit court of 
Indiana held that the fact of consolidation cannot oust the 
jurisdiction of the federal courts in either state creating the 
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/574</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646257</id>
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Thus it will be seen that the aet under which the bonds 
were issued was passed in 1867, and before either the village 
or city of New London came into existence; that the village 
was incorporated in 1868; that the bonds were issued in 
1872; and that the city was incorporated in 1877. And 
upon these facts and this state of legislation, in connection 
with certain provisions contained in the charters of the vil- 
lage and city, it is contended that the village had no legisla- 
tive authority tq issue the bonds. 
It may first be observed that the voters and the authorities 
of the village, by their action under the enabling aet of 1867, 
construed and treated it as authorizing them to issue the bonds 
in suit, and as applicable to the village, although it did not 
exist as a municipality when the aet was passed. And we 
are of the opinion that the aet is so far prospective, in its 
language and intent, that under it not only could a city or 
village then existing issue its bonds for the purposes speci- 
iied, but any city or village thereafter incorporated, in any 
county through which the railway should run, might, if it 
saw fit, avail itself of the right and authority conferred by 
the aet to incur indebtedness in aid of such railway. It is 
true, the aet does not in terms specify cities and villages then 
and thereafter existing, but its language and import are nev- 
ertheless very general and eomprehensive. It provides that 
it shall be lawful for any incorporated city or village, in any 
county through any portion of which any part of the Green 
Bay &amp; Lake Pepin Eailway shall run, to issue and deliver 
bonds in accordance with the terms of the aet. It would not, 
we think, be consonant with rules of sound construction to 
limit the application of this language to munioipalities exist- 
ing at the time of the passage of the aet. And especially 
does it seem unreasonable to give the benefit of such a con- 
struction to a municipality which has aoted under the statute, 
and caused its obligations to be issued and to pass into the 
hands of innocent third parties, thereby adopting the statute 
as its letter of authority so to aet. 
But it is claimed that certain provisions in the charters of 
the villa;];e and city of New London are so repugnant ta the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/581</title>
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      <comment>/* top */ Common scannos., replaced: whieh → which, POBT → PORT, PORTEB → PORTER, removed: � (8)</comment>
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the county had voted in favor of a subscription, which had 
been made before action by the townsbip, and that, tbere- 
fore, the township had no power to subscribe and issue 
bonds. 
The plaintiff contended that the statutes made a grant of 
power to the township, but imposed a condition precedent to 
its exercise, and that as the bonds contained a recital that 
they were issued in pursuance to the acts of the general 
assembly of Ohio, and as the township had levied taxes and 
paid interest for eight years, the defendants were estopped, 
under the decisions of the supreme court of the United States 
in numerous similar cases, to set up the non-happening of 
th»' precedent contingency as against bona fide holders for 
value. 
Secondly, that even if the power did not arise at once upon 
the passage of the act of March 21, 1850, still, as the county 
failed to vote at the next annual election, to-wit, Ootober, 
1850, as provided for by the act of February 28, 1846, the 
township thereupon, under the authority of Shoemaker v. Go- 
shen Township, 14 0. S. 569, 580, became vested with power, 
and it would be presumed upon the recitals in the bond, in 
favor of a purchaser for value without notice, that the power 
had been exercised and the subscription made while the town- 
ship was thus vested with power, and that the defendants 
were estopped to set up that the subscription was in fact 
made after the county had voted in June, 1851, to subscribe 
to the stock of the railroad company, and had subscribed 
therefor in August, 1851. 
The defendants contended that the township derived no 
immediate power from the acts of the legislature, and that, if 
the county commissioners were authorized by a vote of the 
electors of the county to subscribe, the township never became 
vested with power to make a subscription, and that the action 
of the county, being matter of record, was notice to everybody; 
and, further, that the trustees of the township were not made 
the tribunal to decide whether the county had acted in the 
matter. In support of this view the defendants relied on 
Ilopple v. Trustees Brown Township, 13 0. S. 311; Beckel v.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/583</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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flicts in jurisdiction, and seek opportunities to overrule or 
disregard the decisions of the latter. This disposition to 
encourage and provoke jealousy and opposition ought not to 
be tolerated. If in this case we should f eel compelled to dis- 
sent from the decisions of the supreme court of the state, and 
ignore its construction of the statutes in question, we would 
do 80 because we entertain a different view of the law, and 
not because of any want of respect for that leared tribunal. 
&quot;The federal courts, by their decisions, have uniformly 
sustained to the utmost of there authority the sanctity of 
commercial paper in the hands of bonafide holders for value, 
■without notice of defences not appearing upon the face of 
the paper itself. We concur in these decisions, but think 
these courts will not go any further in that direction. 
&quot;The distinction, if there be any, between this case and the 
decisions of the supreme court cited and relied upon by 
plaintiff's counsel, is somewhat shadowy, and lies in the fact 
that in those cases the power to decide whether precedent 
conditions, on which authority to issue the bonds depended, 
had been performed, was conûded to the persons authorized to 
make such issue ; whereas in this case the authority to decide 
this preliminary question was by the statutes vested in the 
county commissioners, and not in the township trustees who 
issued the bonds in controversy. It became the duty of the 
county commissioners to ascertain and declare the resuit of 
the vote at the county election held for the purpose of de- 
termining whether the county would subscribe stock to said 
railroad — a fact necessary t() be ascertained before the power 
of the defendant township to subscribe arose. A copy of that 
abstract, by law made a matter of record, is in evidence. It 
shows that the county did vote to subscribe stock, and it fol- 
lows under the statute that the township had no such au- 
thority; for the statutes which the plaintiff insists conferred 
the authority to the township to subscribe, conferred it only 
on condition that no subscription was made by the county. 
&quot;To this estent it differs from the case relied upon by plain- 
tiff's counsel in Kansas. A declaration was made in favor of 
a subscription, but did not include the returns from one pre-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/584</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646267</id>
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cinct, which were regularly filed, but not counted, and which, 
if counted, would have resUlted in a defeat of the proposition 
to subscribe ; and, in that case, the county defending against 
the bonds sought to prove, and were permitted in the state 
court to prove, that if the resuit of the election had been 
properly declared the proposition to subscribe would bave 
been defeated. That was allowed in the state court, but the 
supreme court in that respect overruled the state court and 
declared that the issue of the bonds was in the hands of the 
parties whose duty it was to declare the resuit, and the county 
■was precluded by the action of its own agents in determining 
the fact, which, by the statute, was committed to them to 
decide. Now, the determination here was by the county côm- 
missioners and not by the trustees of the township. It was 
made by the county authorities, was entered of record, and 
evidenced by the public records of the county ; and to that 
extent the facts of this case differ from all the cases that have 
been read. Notwithstanding all this, and notwithstanding 
the decisions of the supreme court of the state of Ohio, I have 
— and I believe my associate participates in the same uncer- 
tainty — very grave doubt whether the supreme court of the 
United States may not hold these bonds valid in the hands of 
honafide purohasers without notice of the facts. We are in 
questions of this kind not precluded by the construction of 
state statutes. I believe that it bas been well settled that 
federal courts will, on questions of this kind, construe the 
statutes for themselves; but the decision of the supreme 
court of Ohio, repeated so frequenfcly, is an authority, and is 
entitled to respect at the hands of this court; and we have 
determined to administer the law as it has been interpreted by 
the supreme court of the state of Ohio, though the question is 
a close one and may be said to be a doubtful one. If our 
judgment was final, if there were no means of reviewing it, we 
would take further time to investigate thoroughly and fully 
the authorities relative to and bearing upon the question ; but 
this case is open to a review by the supreme court of the 
United States, and, I suppose, were the decision to be either 
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/594</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646278</id>
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Smith v. Mutual Life Insubanob Co. of New Yobk. 
(Oiremt Cowt,D. Massachusetts. January 27, 1881.) 
1. POBEIGN iKStmANCE COMPANIES— LawS GoVBBNmO PoLICIES. 
Policies of Insurance issued by foreign companies doing business in 
Massachusetts, under the laws thereof, to citlzens of Massachusetts, 
are gorerned by the laws of the states where' the companies were 
incorporated, and where the con tracts were to be perf ormed. 
2. Sam» — Non-Fokfbituke Law— Massachusetts 8t. 1861, c. 186. 
The non-forfeiture law of the state of Massachusetts (8t. 1861, e. 
186) is not made applicable to the policies of foreign Insurance com- 
panies by the act of 1872, c. 325.— [Ed. 
W. F. e W. S. Slocum, for plaintiff, 
Dwight Foster, for defendant. 
Nelson, D. J. This suit was originally brought in the 
supericr court of Massachusetts, and was removed to this 
court by the defendant. It is an action upon a policy of 
insuranee for $3,000, issued by the defendant corporation, 
May 18, 1874, upon the life of Arthur R. Smith, and payable 
at the office of the company, in the city of New York, to his 
Personal representatives, in 60 days after notice and proof of 
the death of the assured. The case is submitted to the court 
upon a statement of facts agreed upon by the parties. The 
plaintiff is the widow of the assured, and bas become the 
purchaser of the policy from the administrator of her hus- 
band; and, as assignee of the policy, brings this action under 
the Massachusetts Statute of 1878, c. 158, which authorizes 
purchasers of claims sold by an executer or administrator, 
under license of the probate court, to sue therefor in their 
own names. The defendant corporation is a life insuranee 
company, incorporated by the laws of the state of New York, 
having its usual place of business in the city of New York, 
and bas been duly authorized to do business in the state of 
Massachusetts, under the laws thereof. Its business here is 
conducted by a general and subagents, who have received 
certificates from the insuranee commissioner, authorizing 
them to transact its business within the state. The applica- 
tion of the assured, a citizen of Massachusetts, was made&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/604</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646288</id>
    <revision>
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product patents, and thus to guard himself against the dan- 
ger and loss that might arise from others using the process to 
accomplish other resulta, or securing the product by the 
agency of other means and instrumentalities. 
Two reasons were foroibly presented by the learned counsel 
for the defendant why the act should not have the above 
interpretation : (1) Because it was asking the court, by judi- 
cial construction, to extend the mqnopoly and life of a patent 
for two years beyond the time prescribed by the law; (2) 
because the machine patent having expired, and belonging to 
the public, it was a contradiction in terms to hold that its 
use could be restrained on the ground that by its use other 
patents were infringed. These reasons need not be consid- 
ered separately, and I think the difficulties which they sug- 
gest grow out of a misapprehension of what the court is 
supposed, in fact, to do in the case, The argument was that 
if an inventor procures a patent for a machine, and, after 
holding it for any length of time less than two years, is per- 
mitted, without the surrender of the original and a re-issue, to 
apply for a patent for the process employed, and the product 
obtained from the use of the machine, and then, after the 
expiration of the machine patent, may restrain its use by the 
public untU the process and product patents run out, it is 
practically extending the life of the first patent, and giving the 
owner a monopoly beyond the period of time to which the law 
in express terms limited it. 
But the court does not propose to restrain generally the use 
of the machine but only such unlawf ul use of it as infringes 
the vested rights of others. As long as separate patents for 
a machine, and the process and the product, are allowable, 
they represent distinct inventions, (Kelleher v. Darling, 14 0. 
G. 673,) and each one may live, without interference or 
molestation, its whole life without regard to the death of the 
others. While the product patent continues in existence, the 
manufacture of the product by any instrumentality is prohib- 
iied, and it is no answer to the charge of infringement to say : 
&quot;I had the right to use the particular mechanism by which I 
obtained the product.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/614</title>
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Choate, D J. This is a petition filed by the owner of the 
steam-boat Seawahnaka for the beneflt of the acts of Congress 
for limiting the liability of owners of vessels, 
The original petition alleged that the petitioner is a New 
York corporation owning and running a line of steam-vessela 
for the carriage of freight and passengers between the city of 
New York and Eoslyn, and intermediate points and places 
all in the state of New York, and that its vessel the Seawah- 
naka was one of said line, and was duly enrolled at the office 
of the ooUector of New York; that on the twenty-eighth day 
of Jnne, 1880, while said yessel was on her regular trip from 
New York to Eoslyh with a large number of passengers, and 
a large and valuable cargo belonging to several persons, and 
when near Hell Gate, she was found to be on are, and it be- 
came necessary to beach her, which was done on Eandall's 
island, where she burnt to the water's edge and became an 
utter wreck ; that the cargo and other property on board were 
thereby lost and destroyed, and many of the passengers were 
killed or drowned or seriously injured, and that no freight 
had been received on said cargo; that the fire happened, and 
the loss and damage was done and ineurred, without the de- 
sign, neglect, or fault of the petitioner, and without its privity 
or knowledge ; that certain claims have been made and cer- 
tain suits have been commeneed against the petitioner by 
persons claiming to have sustained damage as owners, ship- 
pers, or coasignors of cargo, or as passengers, or representa- 
tives or relatives of passengers killed by said disaster, and 
that said claims far exceed the value of said wrôck. 
The prayer of the petition is for the appointment of a 
trustee to reçoive a transfer of the said wreck, for a monition 
to all parties having claims to come in and make proof thereof 
and answei-, for a decree determining the liability of the peti- 
tioner and limiting its liability, if found liable at all, to the 
value of said wreck, for the distribution of its proceeds among 
the claimants if entitled thereto, and for an order restrain- 
ing all Buits pending the final determination of this pro- 
ceeding. 
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with foreign coiintries and the Indian tribes, the defect is 
clearly cured by the amendment, and the amended. petition 
statea a case of Interstate commerce such as has been author- 
itatively held to be within the power of commercial regula- 
tion of the United States. The Daniel Bail, 10 Wall. 565; 
The Thomas Swan, 6 Ben. 42; The Sunswich, Id. 112. The 
case of The BrightStar, 1 Woolw. 266, is not inconsistent with 
this conclusion, upon the very distinct and positive averments 
of the amended petition in respect to the business in which 
this steam-boat was engaged. This amendment, however, 
does not relieve the court from the necessity of determining 
the question as to the jurisdiction of the court upon the case 
made by the original petition, since, if that petition did not 
siate a case within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction 
of the court, it would be proper, if not necessary, in view of 
the decree which the court may make, being operative upon 
parties who have not appeared, that an alias monition should 
be issued upOn the amended petition; and it is, perhaps, 
questionable whether the transfer of the wreck already made, 
which was sold before the amendment of the petition, would 
be available to the petitioners in this proceeding, if the court 
had not then jurisdiction of the case made by the petition. 
The question, therefore, whether the original petition stated 
a case within the jurisdiction of the court must be considered. 
The question thus raised is one of the greatest importance, 
involving questions of the respective rights and powers of the 
United States and of the states. The questions are— First, 
whether congress has the constitutional power to pass an act 
limiting the Uability of the ownera of vessels engaged only in 
commerce between ports of the state of New York, but carried 
on upon the high seas or navigable waters of the United 
States ; and, secondly, whether, if congress has this power, it 
has exercised it in the act known as the limited liability act, 
(St. 1851, c. 43, now Eev. St. 4282 et seq. ;) and, thirdly, if 
congress has not that legislative power, or has not exercised 
it, whether in this case, by the maritime law of the United 
States as it now is, the petitioner is entitled to a decree lim- 
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Tlius it is suggested, in the case of The Lottawanna, that con- 
gress might, by law, adopt as a uniform rule for the whole 
country that rule of the general maritime law that material 
men shall have a lien for materials and supplies furnished to 
a vessel in its home port. The Lottawanna, 21 Wall. 577. 
The court in the same case also say : &quot;Perhaps the maritime 
law is more uniformly followed by the commercial nations 
than the civil and common laws are by those who use them. 
But like those laws, however fixed, definite, and beneficiai the 
theoretical code of maritime law may be. it can bave only 
so far the effect of law in any country as it is permitted to 
have. But the actual maritime law can hardly be said to 
have a fixed and definite form as to all the subjects which 
may be embraced within its scope. Whilst it is true that the 
great mass of maritime law is the same in all commercial 
countries, yet in each country peeuliarities exist either as to 
some of the rules, or in the mode of enforcing them. * * * 
No one doubts that every nation may adopt its own maritime 
code. France may adopt one, England another, the United 
States a third ; still the convenienceof the commercial world, 
bound together as it is by mutual relations of trade and 
intercourse, demands that in all essential things wherein 
those relations bring them in contact, there should be a uni- 
form law founded on natural reason and justice. Hence the 
adoption by all commercial nations (our own included) of the 
general maritime law as the basis and groundwork of all their 
maritime regulations. But no nation regards itself as pre- 
cluded from making occasional modifications suited to its 
locality and the genius of its own people and institutions, 
espeeially in matters that are of merely local and municipal 
consequence, and do not affect other nations. * * * Eaeh 
state adopts the maritime law, not as a code having any 
independent or inherent force proprio vigore, but as its own law, 
with such modifications and qualifications as it sees fit. Thus 
adopted and thus qualified in each case, it becomes the mari- 
time law of the particular nation that adopts it. And with- 
out such voluntary adoption it would not be the law. And 
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nations in making the same general law the basis an^ 
groundwork of their respective maritime Systems, the great 
mass of maritinie law which is thus received by these nations 
in common cornes to be the common maritime law of the 
world. * * » The question as to the true limits of mari- 
time law and admirai ty jurisdiction is, undoubtedly, as Chief 
Justice Taney intimates, exclusively a judicial question, and 
no state law or act of congress can make it broader or (it 
may be added) narrower than the judicial power may deter- 
mine those limits to be. But what the law is within those 
limits, assuming the general maritime law to be the basis of 
the System, depends on what bas been received as law in the 
maritime usages of this country, and on such legislation as 
may bave been competent to affect it. To ascertain, there- 
fore, what the maritime law of this country is, it is not 
enough to read the French, German, Italian, and other foreign 
Works on the subject, or the codes which they bave framed; 
but we must bave regard to our own legal history, constitu- 
tion, legislation, usages, and adjudications as well. The de- 
cisions of this court illustrative of these sources, and giving 
construction to the laws and constitution, are especially to 
be considered; and when these fail us we must resort to the 
principles by which they have been goverued. But we must 
always remember that the court cannot make the law : it can 
only declare it. If within its proper scope any change is 
desired in its rules other than those of procedure, it must be 
made by the legislative department. It cannot be supposed 
that the framers of the constitution contemplated that the 
law should forever remain unalterable.&quot; 
The court then refers to the power of congress to regulate 
commerce, and its authority under that power, if no other, to 
introduce such changes as are likely to be needed, and refers 
to the laws for the registry of vessels, recording bills of sale 
and mortgages of vessels, the rights and duties of seamen, the 
limitation of the responsibilities of ship-owners, and &quot;many 
other things of a character truly maritime,&quot; as illustrations 
of legislation within the power to regulate commerce, modify- 
ing the maritime law of the United States. It is in the same&lt;noinclude&gt;
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States, and an express exception is made of certain vessels 
navigating certain of those waters, the inference is proper 
that no other vessels navigating the waters not excepted were 
intended to be excepted out of the act. If, indeed, there 
were any strong reason or settled poliey of the governmeat 
for excluding vessels running between port and port of the 
same state, such further exception might be implied. But 
there seems to be no such reason or settled poliey. Why do 
not the same considerations which make the law .just and 
right, as applied to a vessel running between New York and 
Stonington, or between Boston and Portland, make it also 
just and right as applied to a vessel running between New 
York and Sag Harbor, or between Boston and Provicetown, 
or Nantucket ; assuming, of course, that congress has equal 
power in both cases ? That the act was not intended to 
except vessels trading exclusively between ports of the same 
state, if, in their voyages, they passed beyond the territorial 
limits of the state, has been now conclusively determined by 
the supreme court. Lord v. Steam-ship Co. ut supra, I 
think no suf&amp;cient reason exista for such discrimination, and 
that there is no reason of public poliey which should, with- 
out an expressed exception, exclude vessels running between 
ports of a single state from the beneficiai operation of this 
rule of damages, and this restriction of. remedies thus adopted 
by congress for the govemment of the admiralty coui:ts of the 
United States, nor from the operation of this newly-adopted 
rule of the maritime law, if the statute can take efl'ect as the 
adoption of a new rule of the maritime law. 
Uniformity in the maritime law is one of its peculiar char- 
teristics, — one of the things which makes it most beneficent in 
its operation; and the great benefits to resuit from such uni- 
formity in the maritime law, as administered in the courts of 
the Union, was one of the inducements to the adoption of the 
constitution, and the controUing reason for conferring oh the 
general govemment the exclusive jurisdiction of ail admiralty 
and maritime causes, — as well thôse arising in the com- 
merce of the state on navigable waters as those arising in 
Interstate and foreign commerce. It is true that it has&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/634</title>
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purely artificial and arbitrary fuies like those regulating the 
lights to be carried. Tbese rules have been made oper- 
ative by act of congress. Are the rule of the port helm and 
the rule of the colored side lights, as preseribed by act of con- 
gress, merely regulations of foreign and interstate commerce? 
They undoubtedly are regulations of commerce, and as such 
binding as matter of positive law on American ships en- 
gagea in interstate and foreign commerce while within the 
territorial limits of the United States. But the supreme 
court has expressly held, as to the rule of the lights to be 
carried at sea, that since the adoption of the rule by congress, 
it may be as a regulation of commerce, the rule is to be re- 
gardedas the rule of the sea — a part of the maritime law of the 
United States to be administered in its admiralty courts. The 
Scotia, 14 Wall. 187. The court there saya : &quot;Undoubtedly, no 
single nation can change the law of the sea. That law is of 
universal obligation, and no statute of one or two nations can 
create obligations for the world. Like ail the laws of nations, 
it rests upon the consent of civilized communities. It is of 
force, not because it was preseribed by any superior power, 
but because it has been generally accepted as a rule of con- 
duct. Whateyer may have been its origin, whether in the 
usages of navigation or va the ordinances of maritime states, 
or in both, it has become the law of the sea only by the con- 
current sanction of those nations who may be said to consti- 
tute the commercial world. Many of the usages which prevaU, 
and which bave the force of law, doubtless originated in the 
positive prescriptions of spme single state, which were at first 
of limited effect, but which, when generally accepted, became 
of universal obligation. * * * And it is evident that unless 
general assent is efficacious to give sanction to interna- 
tional law, there never can be that growth and development 
of maritime rules which the constant changes in the instru- 
ments and necessities of navigation require. Changes in 
nautical rules have taken place. How bave they been ac- 
complished, if not by the concurrent assent, express or under- 
stood, of maritime nations? When, therefore, we find such 
rules of navigation as are mentioned in the British orders ia&lt;noinclude&gt;
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It is insisted, however, on the part oi parties who Iiave com- 
menced suits for personal damage, and also by those who 
have commenced suits as administrators under the state 
statutes, that their claims are not liable to be eut off by a 
decree in this case, and that the restraining order as to them 
should be set aside. The question, whether a claim for per- 
sonal injuries is within the statuts, was carefully examined 
in the case of The Epsilon, ut supra, and I see no reason to 
dissent from the conclusion of Judge Benedict in that case. I 
do not understand that it is held in that case, as argued in 
this, that such parties cannot share in the fund, On the 
contrary, eo far as that point is touched upon, the opinion of 
the; court was to the effect that they could share in it. On 
the authority of that case, and on what is hereinbefore said 
as to the nature of these claims and the claims for damages 
by administrators or relatives of persons killed, I am of opin- 
ion that they cannot be distinguished from claims arising out 
of loss of cargo. It is insisted, also, that by section 4493 of 
Eevised Statutes damages to the person or by loss of baggage 
are taken out of the operation of the limited liability act. 
I think it is clear that this is not so, but that in any case to 
which section 4493 applies, in order that the owner may 
have the benefit of the limited liability, the damages must not 
have happened through any neglect or failure to comply with 
the regulations of the statutes relating to steam-vessels, nor 
through known defects of the steaming apparatus or huU. To 
this extent this section modifies the act, but both are re-enacted 
as parts of the Eevised Statutes, and there is no difficulty in 
giving them both their proper effect. It is very clear, also, 
that the provision in this section that in such cases parties 
injured may recover their full damages, is consistent only 
with the theory that, by other provisions of law, the liability 
to passengers for personal injury and loss of baggage was 
subject to some limitation. 
The objections that these objecting parties are entitled to 
have their cases tried by a jury, and that the right is reserved 
to them as part of their common-law remedies by the judici- 
ary act, (Eev. St. § 563,) are clearly answered by the sugges-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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àvail themselves of the decr.ee as a defence in the state court, 
if it is in their favor, as in case of a discharge in bankruptcy. 
If the decision of this court is against the owner on the 
ground that the damage did not occur without his privity or 
knowledge, or without that kind and a measure of negligence 
mentioned in section 4493, then the decree of this court dis- 
missing the petition on the merits will be an equally conclu- 
sive determination of the question of negligence in favor of 
the passenger or shipper of cargo in his suit in the state 
court. But to argue that a passenger or shipper can main- 
tain a suit in the state court pending the proceeding in this 
court, because the complaint in the state court alleges a case 
of damage or loss oocurring with the privity or knowledge of 
the owner, or by his negligence, and therefore not a case 
within the protection of the statute, is to overlook the fact 
that the chief object of the statute was to submit that very 
question, whether the damage or loss was so incurred, once 
for ail, and as between the owners and all the passengers and 
shippers, to the admiralty court ; and that it was to make the 
jurisdiction of this court to determine that question efifectual, 
that the statute provided that upon the institution of the pro- 
ceeding and the transfer of the vessel, all claims and proceed- 
ings against the owner should cease. 
It was argued that the arrangement of the statute into 
sections in the Eevised Statutes showed more clearly than the 
original statute an intention to except out of its operation 
injuries to the person, Such an inference as to the construc- 
tion fromi the arrangement of the statutes in sections is incon- 
sistent with Eev. St. § 5600; and, in general, in the con- 
struction of the Eevised Statutes an intention to change the 
existing laws, which this revision purports to re-enactor cod- 
ify, is not to be presumed from trifiing changes of phrase- 
ology. The preaumption is against an intended change of 
construction, unless that intention to change the law is clearly 
apparent. Eev. St. §§ 5595-5601. 
But it is still insisted, as to the restraining order, that 
whatever may be the jurisdiction of this court it is prohibited 
by Eev. St. § 720. This section is a re-enactment, with some&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to issue a restraining order, if a restraining order shall be nec- 
essary to prevent the piaintiff in suoh suit from proceeding 
with his suit ? It cannot be supposed that this was to remain 
on the statute book a mere brutum fultnen, with no power to 
carry it into effect and see that it was executed. Clearly, as 
to any suit pending in a federal court, the duty would remain 
where it was before, and the court in which the limited lia- 
bility proceeding was pending would issue the restraining 
order. It would be so unusual and questionable an exercise 
of legislative power by congress to make a direction requir- 
ing state courts to issue such a restraining order, that I think 
nothing short of the most explicit declaration of an intent to 
do 80 would justify the conclusion that suoh an intent ex- 
isted. It is most improbable, too, that the necessary power to 
carry into effect the grant of exclusive jurisdiction to a court 
of the United States, clearly intended to be exercised by some 
authority, should not be conf erred upon the court whose juris- 
diction and whose suitors are to be defended against inter- 
ference.. It is very likely that the person who framed section 
720 overlooked' the faot that there was another law in force 
besides the laws relating to bankruptcy under which the courts 
of the United States could restrain proceedings already com- 
menced in a state court ; but in view of the fact that this other 
law was embodied in the same revision, that its meaning and 
force were determined by decisions of the courts, and that it 
must be presumed to have been re-enacted with the same 
meaning, I think the change made in section 720 is not 
sufficient to show an intention to take away anything from 
the meaning of section 4285, Section 720 has obviously its 
principal application to the restraint of suits, which, but for 
the injunction, the state court would have jurisdiction to go 
on with and determine. This is true with regard to suits 
against the bankrupt, stayed under the bankrupt law, and 
generally where a party is by the rules of equity entitled to 
enjoin a defendant from going on with a prior suit. The pe- 
culiarity of this case is that the suit stayed is one in which, 
by the express terms of an act of congress, the state court is 
absolutely without jurisdiction to prooeed. There are not.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the state courts in admiralty and maritime causes, and be- 
sides that the provisions of section 4285, which take away 
their jurisdiction entirely pending this proceeding after trans- 
fer, the state courts could not give that relief, even under the 
saving clause of section 563, since the remedy sought is not 
a remedy which the common law was competent to give, 
as pointed out in Norwich Co. v. Wright, 13 Wall. 123. The 
supreme court of Massachusetts, indeed, say in the case above 
eited (113 Mass. 502) that under the statute of that state 
the ship-owner has a remedy in the nature of a bill in equity. 
The court evidently overlooked the fact that under section 
563, this being a maritime cause, remedies which courts of 
equity are competent to give, as distinguished from those 
which courts of common law are competent to give, are not 
saved to the suitors in the state courts by that section. The^ 
B. F. Woolsey, 3 Fed. Eep. 457; S. C. circuit court on appeal,. 
4 Fed. Eep. 552. 
These considerations dispose off all the questions presented.^ 
Exceptions overruled. Motions to dismiss petition and set 
aside monition and vacate restraining order denied. All par- 
ties who have appeared and have not filed formai claims, or 
have not answered the amended petition, may file claims and 
answer within two weeks after notice of the entry of this order. 
Hamilton, etc., v. Babk Kate Ieving, 
(District Court, D. Mwryland. February 4, 1881.) 
1. Genehal Cabgo— Bleaching Powdbrs and Cotton Ties— Stowagr 
— LiABiLrrY OF Ship. 
Iron cotton ties were shipped in a general ship. They were sto wed 
next to bleaching powders and soda ash, with not over three feet 
between. After a rough voyage the cotton ties were found to be cor-^ 
roded by particles of bleaching powder which had sif ted on to them. 
Edd, that the destructive eSect to gotton ties of contact with bleach- 
ing powders being well known, it was not proper stowage to place- 
them 80 near together without adequate precaution to guard against 
injury. 
The Svend, 1 Pbd. Rep. 54. 
Mainwaring v. Carrie Delap, 1 Fbd. Rep. 874.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of the Savannali, Florida &amp; Western Eailroad Company ; and 
of C. H. Phinizy, president of the Georgia Eailroad Company, 
were read for the complainant, and the affidavit of the rail- 
road commissioners was read in their own behalf. 
Robert Falligant, for complainant. 
Clifford Anderson, Att'y Gen., Robert Toombs, and P. L. 
Mynatt, for railroad commissioners. 
W. S. Chisholm, for Savannah, Elorida &amp; Western Eailroad 
Company. 
Woods, C. J. The question for solution is whether the 
case made by this bill and amendment, and the afSdavits in 
support of it, entitles the complainant to the writ of injunc- 
tion as prayed for in his bill. The first inquiry that arises 
is, what are the rights of the Savannah, Florida &amp; Western 
Eailroad Company under the law of its organization ? On 
behalf of the complainant it is averred that the railroad Com- 
pany has the right, v?ithin limits prescribed by the charter of 
the Atlantic &amp; Gulf Eailroad Company, to fix its own sched- 
ule of freight and passenger fares, and that this right is not 
subject to legislative control. 
It is settled that railroad companies are subject to legisla- 
tive control as to their rates of fare and freight, unless pro- 
tected by their charters. Munn v. Illinois, 94 U. S. 113; 
Chicago Street R, Co. v. Iowa, 94 U. S. 161. 
When the charter of a railroad company allows it to charge 
maximum rates of fares and freight, but the right is reserved 
to the legislature to repeal or amend the charter, it may 
change the rates prescribed by the charter by establishing a 
maximum limit beyond which they shall not go. Peik v. 
Chicago, etc., Ry. Co. 94 U. S. 164. 
By the act of the legislature of Georgia of February 29, 
1876, entitled &quot;An act to enable the purchasers of railroads to 
form corporations, and to exercise corporate powers and priv- 
ileges,&quot; under which the Savannah, Florida &amp; Western Eail- 
road Company was organized,. it was clothed with ail the 
rights, privileges, and immunities of the Atlantic &amp; Gulf Eail- 
road Company. It is necessary, therefore, to inquire what 
^ere the charter rights of the latter company. It was organ-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/670</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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respect to whioh the parties immediately içterested may fairly 
be supposed more competent to judge of their needs than any 
central authority. Cooley on Constitutional Limitations, 143 ; 
City of Patterson v. Society, etc., 2e N. J. 385; Cheany v. Hoo- 
ser, 9 B. Monroe, 330; Berlin v. Oorham, 34 N, H. 266. 
Even 80 grave a matter as taxation bas always in the state 
of Georgia even without special constitutional provision been 
delegated to cities, towns, and county organizations. Bruns- 
wicky, Finney, 54 Ga. 317 ; Powers v. Dougherty Co. 23 Ga. 65. 
The rule applicable to the delegation of power by a legis- 
lature is laid down with great clearness in the case of the 
Cincinnati, etc., R. Co. v. Clinton Co. 1 Ohio, St. 77. 
The true distinction, therefore, is between the delegation 
of power to make the law which necessarily involves a dis- 
cretion as to what it shall be, and conferring an authority or 
discretion as to its execution to be exercised under and in pur- 
suance of the law. The first cannot be done; to the latter 
no valid objection can be made. 
The constitution of the state of Illinois, article 4, § 1, 
declares that &quot;the legislative power should be vested in a 
general assembly, which shall consist of a senate and house 
of representatives,&quot; etc. Article 13, § 7, of the same consti- 
tution, declared that &quot;the general assembly shall pass laws 
for the inspection of grain for the protection of producers, 
shippers, and receivers of grain.&quot; The legislature of Illinois, 
with this constitutional provision in force, passed an act to 
establish a board of railroad and warehouse commissioners. 
This board was empowered to fix the rate of charges for the 
inspection of grain, and the manner in which the same should 
be coUected, and to fix the amount of compensation to be paid 
the chief inspecter and other of&amp;cers, etc. It was objeoted that 
this was an unwarrantable delegation of legislative power. 
But the supreme court of that state held that the right to pass 
inspection laws belonged to the police powers of the govern- 
ment, and the legislature had the authority to arrange the dis- 
tribution of said powers as the public exigencies might require, 
apportioning them to local jurisdictions as the law-making 
power desraed appro2iriate, and comraitting the exercise of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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sion of smuggled goods, &quot;such possession shall be deemed 
evidence suffieient to authorize a conviction, unless the de- 
fendant shall explain the possession to the satisfaction of the 
jury,&quot; The statute bocks are full of such acts, but it has 
never been considered that this impairs the right of trial by 
jury. 
But, even if this provision of the act under consideration 
were unconstitutional, it would not render inoperative the 
other sections of the statute, from which this provision can 
be easily removed, and yet leave the main objeet and purpose 
of the law unimpaired, Packet Co. v. Keokuk, 95 U. S. 80. 
It is next insisted that the raiiroad commissioners' act is 
unconstitutional, because it violates that declaration of the 
bill of rights, paragraph 1, § 3, which declares &quot;private prop- 
erty shall not be taken or damaged for public uses without 
just and adequate compensation being first paid. &quot; This clause 
is a regulation of the exercise of the state's right of eminent 
domain. An act attempting to fix just and reasonable rates 
of freight and fares upon the raiiroads of the state can hardly 
be considered as taking or damaging the property of the raii- 
road for public use. The objeet of the law is to regulate the 
charges which the corporation may make in the use of its 
own property for its own purposes. It does not take it or 
damage it for public use. The act was passed because its 
passage was expressly enjoined by the constitution. It does 
not become obnoxious to the constitutional provision under 
consideration, and become a taking or damaging of private 
property for public use, because ail the rates fixed are not 
just and reasonable, or because they are thought so by the 
rcailroad companies. 
Again, the act under consideration is alleged to be uncon- 
stitutional because obnoxious to paragraph 11, § 1, art. 1, of 
the constitution, which declares, &quot;Protection to person and 
property is the paramount duty of the government, and shall 
be impartial and complete;&quot; and of paragraph 3, § 1, art. 1, 
which declares that &quot;no person shall be deprived of life, lib- 
erty, or property without due process of law.&quot; When it is 
remembered that these paragraphs are referred to a law, the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to be unjust and unreasonable, can apply to the commission- 
ers for redress. If redress is denied them there, they can 
apply to the legislature for relief. Believing the law under 
which the commissioners are appointed to be within the con- 
stitutional power of the legislature, the redress must corne 
either from the commissioners or the general assembly ; it is 
not in the power of this court to give relief. As remarked 
by Mr. Justice Swayne, in Gilman v. Philadelphia, 3 Wall. 
713 : &quot;Many abuses may arise in the legislation of the stateri 
which are wholly beyond the reach of the government of the 
nation. The safeguard and remedy are to be found in the 
vii-tue and intelligence of the people. They can make and 
unmake constitutions and laws, and from that tribunal there 
is no appeal. If a state exercise unwisely the power here in 
question, the evil consequences will fall chiefly on her own 
citizens. They have more at stake than the citizens of any 
other state.&quot; 
It has been the policy of Georgia, at least since January 1, 
1863, to grant no charter which should not be subject to 
revision or repeal by the general assembly. Whether wise 
or unwise, this policy has been einbodied in the constitution 
of 1877. It was clearly the purpose of the people, in the 
adoption of that revision of the organic law, to keep the 
charges of the railroad companies of the state within legisla- 
tive control. They were not satisfied with the rules of the 
common law on this subject. The act of October 14, 1879, is 
but the practical expression of the will of the people of the 
state as embodied in their organic law. It is the exercise of 
a right which they have been careful to reserve, and subject 
to which the defendant company were allowed to exist as a 
corporation. 
My conclusion is that the act of the legislature of Georgia, 
approved October 14, 1879, entitled &quot;An act to provide for the 
regulation of railroad freight and passenger tariffs in this 
state,&quot; etc., etc., is not in violation of either the constitution 
of the United States or of the state of Georgia; that under 
the constitution of Georgia power and authority is conferred 
on the legislature to pass laws to regulate freight and pas-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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3. Bame—Validitt— Change op Judiciaz Rulino. 
Hdd,fuHher, that if such bonds constituted a valid contract when 
made, as the law and the constitution were tben expouuded by the 
supreme court of the state, that it did not cease to be such because 
the higheat court of the state had afterwards changed its ruiing. 
Odplce V. Œty of Dubuque, 1 Wall. 175. 
4. 'WiscoiisiK— Statutb! of Limitations.— [Ed. 
Deummond, g. J. The law and facts of this case, by stipu- 
lation between the parties, bave been left to the court. The 
suit was originally brought in the state court, and transferred 
to this court. It is an action on four bonds of $500 each, 
numbered 5, 6, 7, and 8, issued by the defendant, and made 
payable to the Fox Eiver Valley Eailroad Company, on the 
first of November, 1856, under the authority of an act of the 
legislature of March 15, 1856, and found in chapter 138 of 
the Local and Private Laws of Wisconsin of that year. That 
act authorized several towns in the county of Eacine, Eoches- 
ter among others, to subscribe to the capital stock of the Fox 
Eiver Valley Eailroad Company, and pay for the same, in the 
bonds of the town, — the town of Eochester, — the sum of $15,- 
000. The only objection taken to the bonds as not being in 
accordance with the statute is that they do not appear to 
have been issued by the board of supervisors. The seventh 
section of the statute declared that the bonds were to be 
signed by the chairman of the board of supervisors, ànd 
eountersigned by the town clerk ; and these bonds appear to 
be strictly in conformity with the requirements of the statute; 
and the presumption must be that they were issued under the 
authority of the board of supervisors. 
John M. Thompson was a contractor on the railroad, and 
these bonds were indorsed and transferred to him by the rail- 
road Company in payment for work done upon the road. 
There is much confliet in the testimony as to the subsequent 
disposition and ownership of these bonds. They were at one 
time held by the Bank of Alfred, Maine, as collateral security 
for a loan made to Thompson; and in consequence of that 
indebtedness being discharged or satisfied by Jeremiah M. 
Mason, the bonds appear to bave come into his hands.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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in the conspiracy. They say now that that purpose was to 
persuade the marshal not to execute the writ. That was one; 
another one was that they had heard threats that Brewer's 
life would be in danger. That was another purpose. This 
is what they say, the law at this time permitting them to 
testify in this matter, and as they say it, it is testimony in 
the case, and you are entitled to consider it— to consider if 
there was a purpose of some kind in going there, and whether 
that purpose was a lawful or an unlawful one. 
On the other hand it is alleged that there was another pur- 
pose, and that purpose it is insisted is shown by the sur- 
rounding circumstances to have been an unlawful purpose — 
a purpose to resist the marshal. The fact that they went for 
a lawful purpose merely you are not to assume, unless you 
believe that that is the true state of the case — the true con- 
dition of things from all the circumstances in the case. And 
you are entitled to consider what they did at that time ; whether 
what they did at the time, and constituting a part of the trans- 
action itself, is consistent with what they now declare, subse- 
quently to the event, to have been their purpose or not. 
What was done when they came upon the ground the tes- 
timony all shows. It is not substantially contradictory. 
Storer had just left Grow and Hart. There is no testimony 
that any ill-feeling was manifested between them; there is 
no testimony that any dispute or harsh language was used 
among them that morning. The testimony simply indicates 
that they were talking in a friendly way. Storer had just 
left for Brewer, who was plowing in a field near by, both in 
sight of these parties as they arrived. Now, when the de- 
fendants and their associates arrived, seeing a large number 
of men, estindated anywhere from 13 to 25 or 30, according 
to the different views which the several witnesses to^k of it, 
whatever the number was, — certainly it was not les» than 13, 
because that is the lowest number that it is put at,— when 
Hart and Crow saw those men they made an expressionj aa 
the testimony tends to.show, which indicated that they ex- 
peoted diffioulty. The marshal testifies to you that he directed 
them to stay where they were, and keep quiet in their wag-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the sole judgeg, and as to what it proves. I have pointed ont 
the bearing of the testimony. I will say, further, as to what 
actually took place, what was actually doue there, there is 
scarcely asubstantial conflict in the testimony. [Çhe confiict 
is not so mueh as to what the acts were ; there may be some 
little as to some points of it. You will recollect what those 
points are. The conflict is not so much as to what acts were 
actually performed by the varions parties there,: as it is in 
regard to the purpose for which those acts were performed. 
The great conflict is as to whether the purpose is what the 
defendants, long subsequent to the event and after these 
lamentable occurrences have taken place, now say was their 
purpose, or whether that purpose which is indicated by their 
acts — which is made manifest by their works — was their real 
purpose; and you are the proper parties to determine whether 
that purpose which these acts indicate was the real purpose, 
or whether that which they now say was their purpose, and 
which they did not in fact accomplish, was the real purpose. 
Gentlemen, you are the judges of theoredibility of the wit-. 
nesses, and you are tô take into consideration their situation 
in reference to this transaction. Many of these witnesses are 
defendants to this charge, who, under the law as it now stands, 
and I think wisely, are.permitted to testify; but, gentlemen, 
you should scrutinize their testimony with care. They are 
deeply interested in this matter. Seven lives bave been lest 
in this transaction, and they are now at the bar of justice 
here charged with the offence of conspiring to resist the 
United States màrshal, and of having actually resisted him. 
They stand here subjeot, if found guilty, in the discretion of 
the court, to imprisonment and fine. Now, what effect this 
situation may have upon their testimony is a question for you 
to determine. And so the witnesses on the other side : you 
are to consider their relation to the transaction, and upon the 
whole come to such conclusion as you think the evidence 
justifies, 
I am free to say that several of these defendants, in my 
judgment, testified with great fairness. Whether they did or 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/718</title>
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of the bankrupt because his assets had neither paid nor were 
equal to 30 per oentum of the debts upon which he was liable 
as principal debtor. One of the debts proved against him 
was a note in the following words, viz. : 
&quot;$1,619.96. 
&quot;Twelve months after date we promise to pay to Mrs. M. F. 
Northern, guardian, etc., the sum of $1,619.95, for value re- 
cel ved, -with interest from this date; and, in case said interest 
be not paid at maturity, tben the same to become principal 
and bear interest ; or, in other words, interest hereon, if not 
paid ahnually, to be compounded. This fif teenth of November, 
im. 
[Signed] &quot;A. Htndman, 
&quot;D. Œ WooD, 
&quot;T. B. Leslie.&quot; 
This note was given under the following circumstances : 
The above-named Wood and Leslie and one Ligon. under the 
firm name of Wood, Leslie &amp; Co., being the owners of the 
Covington mills, borrowed from Mrs. Northern the sum of 
mohey mentioned in it, for which they executed a note identi- 
cal in form, except as to dates, with the above note, and ex- 
cept that it was signed only with the firm name. The bank- 
rupt purchased Ligon's interest in the mills, and agreed to 
pay what was estimated as Ligon's share of the Northern 
note, namely, $584.78. There is some dispute in the testi- 
mony as to whether it was so understood with the crediter 
when they canie to substitute the note of the new firm for 
that of the old firm, but both the register and the court found 
that the crediter either did not know of or did not assent 
to any change in the liability of the partners, and that, as 
to her, there being no con tract for suretyship, ail the obligors 
were principal debtors, and liable jointly and severally each 
for the whole amount. But as to the incoming and retiring 
partner, and the other members of the firm, it was understood 
that the incoming partner should only be liable to pay one- 
third the note, and the remaining partners would pay the 
other two-thirds. He paid Ligon the purchase money, — $2,-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/722</title>
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in point of fact he is, as between him and his co-obligors, 
liable for only one-third ? 
&quot;Answer. Glearly he is liable directly to the crediter for the 
whole debt, but if the three makers were all equally solvent, 
and Hyndman, under compulsion, was to pay the whole, it 
will not be denied that he could recover the two-thirds from 
the other two. When Hyndman bought the interest of Ligon 
he beyond doubt consideredhe was assuming only his liability 
on the note, and, indeed, it is in proof that he so stated, and 
had a ealculation made by Mr. Cummins showing what was 
the amount. 
&quot;I have been unable to find a decision in point, nor, in- 
deed, but few even bearing on the question, but the spirit of 
the law and the decisions are clearly in the direction of the 
fullest protection to the bankrupt against debts on which he 
is not primarily bound. I am quite positive that I have seen 
a decision which goes even much beyond those cited in 10 
Bump. 738, but cannot fmd it. 
&quot;In my opinion, only one-third of the Northern debt should 
be estimated against the bankrupt. It does not appear but 
that the other parties are good for their share. On the con- 
trary, outside the record, I learn from the best authority that 
the crediter expeots to make the debt good from the other 
two. 
&quot;It is considered by the register that all the questions — one 
to eight — in the former portion of this eertifled summary are 
covered by the three above, as I do not consider that the 
question under three of the first numbers arose in the case, 
and I do not understand that it is insisted on. 
&quot;I further understand that, should your Honor concur in the 
conclusions of the register, it is conceded that the bankrupt 
will be entitled to his discharge ; and, on the contrary, a 
non-concurrence as to either will defeat the application for 
discharge. 
&quot;Eespectfully submitted, 
&quot;T. J. Latham, 
&quot;Eegister.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/732</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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bankrupt, but eo it does to extinguish the debts of all the 
non-assenting creditors. These assenting creditors, when 
BufËcient in number and amount, by their assent extirpate 
ail the non-assenting debts. Where do they get the power to 
do this? Clearly, fromi the statute. The truth is, they are 
functionaries — quasi ministerial, quasi judicial, it may be — 
charged in part with the administration of the law, and, as 
such, the depositaries of certain powers, among which is that 
of determining when the bankrupt shall be discharged and 
when not. Hilliard on Bankruptcy, (2d Ed.) 239, 241. The 
law discharges the debts, the law performs the operation of 
releasing them, the creditors being merely donees of a power 
to determine the cases in which the law shall so operate. 
The legislature has left it to the discretion of the creditors 
whether they will or not assent to the discharge^ and this dis- 
cretion is absolute. Lord Eldon observes that the law bas 
left the bankrupt entirely to the caprice of his creditors to 
sign the certificate or not, under a high moral obligation, per- 
haps, but no legal obligation to do it, however great his 
atonement. And he says &quot;there can be no stronger proof of 
the good nature and humanity of the British character than 
the readiness with which creditors sign.&quot; Ex parte Joseph, 
18 Ves. 340; Ex parte King,ll Ves. 417; Ex parte Gardner, 
1 Ves. &amp; B. 45 ; Ex parte Cridland, 3 Ves. &amp; B. 95, 103 ; 
Hilliard on Bankruptcy, (2d Ed.) 315, 316. The statute 
does not name a surviving partner as one of the donees of 
this power, but from necessity, and by all the analogies of 
the law, it is faily inferable that it was intended he should 
be the donee, rather than innumerable and remote bene- 
ficiaries of the quasi trust he executes. The release is not 
without consideration, for the bankrupt law enlarges the 
remedies of the creditors, and gives them inquisitorial and 
other powers they would not otherwise enjoy. It also gives 
ample protection against fraudulent bankruptcies by with- 
holding a discharge in all cases of misconduct by those who 
ask its relief. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/734</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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pose of receiving dividends, the question of the bankrupt's 
discharge is to be determined by the facts as they existed on 
the day to show cause ; and that the right to a discharge hav- 
ing once attached is complete, and net to be defeated hy 
subsequently filing proofs of debt. 
I do not think that the accidentai fact that the second and 
third meeting of creditors was held, under general order No. 
25, on the same day appointed for the creditors to appear 
and show cause against the discharge, can influence the ques- 
tion submitted by the register. These meetings were held 
only for the purposes prescribed in sections 6092 and 5093 
of the Eevised Statutes, but for convenience were assigned 
for the same day as that appointed under section 5109 for the 
creditors to show cause against the discharge. Section 33 of 
the original act of 1867, (Eev. St. 5112,) as amended by the 
act of July 27, 1868, (15 Stat. 228,) required the assent of 
creditors to be filed in the case at or before the time of the hear- 
ing of the application for discharge ; and, as it required the as- 
sent only of the creditors &quot;who shall bave proved their claims,&quot; 
it is manifest that under that section no other creditors could 
be counted in determining whether the requisite assent had 
been given, exeept those who had at or before that time proved 
their claims. Re Borst, 11 N. B. R. 96. And although sec- 
tion 9 of the act of June 22, 1874, (18 Stat. 180,) does notpre- 
scribe the time withinwhich the assent must be given with 
the same particularity, it bas been ruled that there bas been 
no change of the original act in that respect. Re Derby, 12 
N. B. R. 241. 
A-gain, by general order 24, a creditor opposing the dis- 
charge for cause under sections 5110 and 5111 must appear 
and enter bis opposition on the day when the creditors are 
required to show cause. This day, then, seems to be the time 
fixed for the termination of the right of the creditors to make 
whatever opposition they have to offer. The act can have 
no otheir meaning. It is for this purpose the creditors are 
notified, and it bas been held, after careful consideration of 
the cases, that creditors who bave been duly notified and 
made nn opposition, nre' to be reç^ardel as conseutitig to a 
diKchiimo. /,V A nfiy,!.!, ! &gt;l N. H. li,. 2'.»(), •2;)8.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/736</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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whom he sold on a credit, all imperfectly kept, he was not entitled 
to a discharge, even though from these boolia and his invoices kept on 
flle it may have been possible, with such memoranda, to make ud 
proper accounts. 
2. BAME SubJBCT— FHAUDUM2iT PKBFBRBNCEa — CaRE DP ASSBTS. 
A merchant, being insolvent, permitted and authorized certain 
creditort to take away his goods in payment of their debta. HM, 
that he could not be discbarged. Not only were the preferences 
fraudulent, but it was his duty to protect his assets against such 
In Bankruptcy, 
The bankrupt, being a small retail groeery and liquor mar- 
chant, kept no books except a small pocket memorandum- 
book, in which each day he entered his cash received and cash 
paid ont, which was lost and never produced ; a blotter, in 
which daily sales on credit were entered ; and a kind of ledger, 
in which accounts for goods sold on credit were kept against 
the purchasers. These were imperfectly and negligently kept, 
and his discharge was opposed for not keeping proper books 
of account. He kept his invoices on file, and it was contended 
in his behalf that, from that and the books he kept, proper 
accounts could be made up and his financial condition ascer- 
tained. 
One of the bankrupt's creditors having obtained judgment 
against him, issued execution and levied on his goods, the 
sheriff leaving them with the bankrupt. His creditors came, 
and without objection helped themselves to the goods, taking 
them away on drays and wagons. These facta were speci- 
fied in opposition to his discharge. 
James Campbell, Jr., for the creditors. 
J. C. Gilbert, for the bankrupt. 
Hammond, D. J., (sitting by designation.) The discharge in 
this case must be refused, The cash-book mentioned in the 
proof has not been produced, but, taking all the bankrupt 
says as to his mode of keeping it to be true, and inspecting 
the two books he does produce, it sufficiently appears that he 
did not keep such books of account as the business in which 
he was engagea required. He kept no merchandise account, 
no expense account, no account of the purchases made by 
him, and certainly no proper accounts of anything except of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/742</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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than wiiàt anses from the faot of thie delivery to the state. 
Whether they-wëre distributed by the state, or retained until 
after the proper certificate was entered in the clerk's office of 
the district court, dbes not appear. It is argued that the 
delivery to the state constituted per se a publication within 
the meaning of the statute; and, as the certificate was filed 
after the delivery to the state, there was no eopyright to the 
volume for that reason. These were copies for the use of the 
state, and subjeet to distribution under the provisions of law. 
Sections 23, 24, c 29, Eet, St. 1845. Can we assume, in 
the absence of any evidence upon the subjeet, that a distri- 
butioii was made? Mere printing of a book is not necessarily 
publication, and I am inclined to think it was incumbent 
upon the defendants to show something more than a mere 
delivery of the copi 3S to the state. 
The title-page of volume 34, together with the printed vol- 
ume itself, seems to have been filed in the clerk's office of the 
district court on the twenty-third of October, 1866, and it is 
claimed that this does not show that a proper certificate was 
filed in the clerk's office, as required by the statute, before 
publication. It will be observed that the statute does not 
specify how long before publication the certificate should be 
filed. Here both acts seem to have occurred on the same 
day, and the presumption, I think, is, in the absence of any 
evidence to the contrary, that the filing of the certificate of 
title preceded the deposit of the volume in the clerk's office. 
The title-page of volume 35 was deposited with the clerk of 
the district court in January, 1867, and the note printed in 
the volume states that it was &quot;entered àccording to act of 
congress in the year 1866.&quot; There is no doubt this is a mis- 
take in the imprint of the entry, as it should have been 1867, 
instead of 1866. The statute does not require that the note 
of entry ehould indicate the day or the month, but only the 
year; and if it be true that this mistake is fatal, then, of 
course, as to that volume the copyright is lost. 
But I do not feel inclined to give so rigid a construction to 
the statute. The case of Baker v. Taylor, 2 Blatohf . 82, is cited 
as being conclu sive against the validity of the copyright in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/750</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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8. Same— Admission of New Partner. 
And the admission of a new partner would not alter the riglits and 
powers of the surviving partner, if snch stock remained an asset ot 
the old flrm ; and if it became àB asset of the new flmi, the pnnciples 
of the slxth syllabus would apply to it. 
9. CoEPORATioNS DECLAEiKa Stock Fullt Paid IJp— Subsequent Cred- 
rroRS — Partnbrships. 
Creditors whose claims arose subsequent^ to April 14, 1874, and 
who were also stockholders and participa.ted in the action of the 
stockholders' meeting of that date, are estopped to question the valid- 
ity bi such action ; and the tact that the debts are owing to flrms 
does not alter the rule : the stock also being held by the flrm, the 
action and knowledge 6i one partner binding ail. 
10. Same— Same— ExiSTiNG Creditors — Rbmbdt. 
But as to debts existing at the time of that meeting and arrange- 
ment, such arrangement would lie void ; and held, (for the purposes 
of this case,) would not bar an action at law by the corporation 
against the stockholders to recorer the unpaid 50 per cent, of their 
subscriptions ; but gtuBre as to the proper remedy. 
11. Practice— Collateral Issues. 
, In a proceeding to collect unpaid stock subscriptions, the court will 
not pass upon the validity of a disputed claim against the corporation. 
12. Debtor and Creditor— Application of Patments — Rule Statbd. 
13. Same— Same— Instance. 
If a person who is the flnancial manager of a corporation, and also 
a member of a flrm to which it is indebted, and which continues to 
make advances to the corporation, receives the proceeds of the sales 
of the corporation and carries such receipts and advances into a gen- 
erai running account, such receipts not being applied in payment of 
any particular item of such account, the law will apply such receipts 
in satisfaction of the flrst item of the account, and so on to the end. 
Taft e Lloyd, for plaintiff. 
Perry e Jenney, for defendant. 
Swing, D. J., {charging jury.) The petition in the case 
alleges that the plaintifF is a corporation, created by the laws 
of the state of Kentucky; that its capital stock was fixed at 
$100,000, divided into shares of $10 each; that the defend- 
ants subscribed to the capital stock of said company certain 
shares, to-wit : George W. McAlpin 875 shares, and John W. 
Ellis 2,250 shares; that said defendants have paid one-half of 
their capital stock, but that they have neglected and refused 
to pay the remaining one-half; that there is now due from 
the defendant McAlpih the sum of $4,375, and from the de-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/766</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646450</id>
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veyanCes it was void as to the then existing debt to the Covington 
Kational Bank, and would be set aside and the lot sold, 
8. DisTRrBTTi'ioif— Subsequent Cbeditors not Entitlep to Share in. 
(6) That subsequent creditors are not entitled to share in the pro- 
ceeds of such sale, but they will be distributed to pay oosts, the 
bank's claim without intereat, and the balance, if any, to the wife. 
Kehr v. Smith, 20 Wall. 36, and statute 13 Elizabeth, c. 5, dis- 
tinguished. 
Benton de Benton, for assignee. 
C. Eginton, for Mrs. Hollister. 
Baeh, D. J. This is a suit brought by the assignee in 
l)ankruptcy of Hadson Hollister to set aside two conveyances 
made to his wife, Mary H. Hollister, in January, 1874. 
The faets proven in the record are briefly these : 
Mary McConnell married Hudson Hollister on the tenth of 
June, 1850. Her father was then dead, and she had inher- 
ited one-fifth of his estate, consisting of land, negroes, and 
sorne money, estimated to be worth $50,000. 
There was no antenuptial agreement; but it is clearly 
proven that Hudson Hollister, before he received any part of 
his wife's estate, promised her that if she would allow him to 
«ollect and use her money he would invest an equal amount 
in real estate for her use and benefit, and place the title in 
her name. This promise was frequently repeated and recog- 
nized by the bankrupt until the conveyances were made in 
1874. Hudson Hollister received of his wife's guardiah! 
$3,202.08, and from the executor of her father's estate some 
more money, but the amount is not proveu. Mrs. Hollister 
was allotted, in the division of her father's estate, six negroes, 
and had an interest in the homestead of her father and some 
lands in Carter, county. Two of the negroes were sold, and 
the proceeds collected by Hollister and used by him under 
the promise which he had made his wife. They brought 
$1,100, of which Bum $500 was collected probably in 1852 
or 1853, and $600 in 1855 or 1856. Her interest in the 
homestead was sold in 1852 or 1853 for $1,000, and was 
ptobably collected and used by her husband under the promi^ 
Jse mentioned. There is some difference in the testimony 
■whether this. land was paid for in money or negrces. It is,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/768</title>
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asking that the property be subjected to the payment of the 
debts of the bankrupt pro rata. 
The bank waa ruade a party, and in a cross-bill insista that 
these conveyanees were voluntary, and are fraudaient and 
void as to its debt, and insists that it should be paid its 
entire debt out of the proceeds of the property, -^^hen sub- 
jected and sold. 
Mrs. Hollister and her husband have answered the bill and 
cross-bill, They deny that the bank debt was a subsisting 
one when the conveyanees were made, January, 1874, and 
insist that Hollister was in fact the surety of Leathers in the 
original debt, and that it was paid at its maturity by Leath- 
ers, with the proceeds in part of another note discounted for 
the same amount. They insist that the execution of the last 
note was the creation of a new debt, and not the continuance 
of an old one. They deny that the conveyanees were volun- 
tary and without consideration, and allege they were exe- 
cuted for a valuable consideration. This consideration is 
alleged to be the estate whioh the bankrupt received from his 
wife, and the promise made before he received it to invest an 
equal amount for her benefit in real estate, placing the title 
in her. They allege in an amended answer that there was 
an antenuptial agreement, but as there is no proof of this, it 
may be dismissed from the case. 
There are four questions arising, and which have been 
argued by counsel : First, hàs a court of equity jurisdiction ? 
Second, is the debt proven by the Covington National Bank 
the same debt existing at the time of the conveyanees ? Tkird, 
if so, were they made for a valuable consideration, or were 
they merely voluntary? Fov/rth, if these conveyanees, or 
either of them, are voluntary, and hence fraudulent and void, 
shall the proceeds of a sale be divided pro rata between all of 
the bankrupt's debts, or shall the bank's debt have prefer- 
ence ? 
We shall consider these questions in their order. Mrs. 
Hollister bas the legal title, and the suit is to set aside the 
conveyanees to her because they are fraudulent and void. 
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PEDERAL REPORTER. 
nois, and the supreme court of that state, in an elaborate 
opinion, haa decided eve^y material (jnestion in the case 
adversely to the plaintiff . Mississippi River Bridge Co. v. Lon- 
ergan, 91 111.' 508. In that case it was held — First, that 
Lonergan had, lander the 19,^8 of Illinois, and according to 
the evidence, (which was the same as now offered,) no title 
to the lands, for injui^' lo wMob the suit was brought &gt; second, 
that the aqt of the gëuerar a'ssetntly ôf Illinois, graiiting a 
charter for a feriy; acrôss tl^e, Mississippi riyer, under which 
act the plaintiff claima, did not gi-ve the grantee any right 
to oontrol the chanû«l of the 'river, or to 'prevent its improve- 
ment, withôut c'onipensation to him by the United States. 
The oourt.Baid.: &quot;The act of the legislature of.this state, 
which establiahed the ferry, gate the plaintiff no right or inter- 
est whatever'in the'fluw'crf the fiver.&quot; 'Upon these proposi-, 
tions, which are conclusive of the caae, I am inclined to the 
opinion that this court is bound to foUow, as a rute of decis- 
ion, the ruling of the .supreme :Oourt of Illinois. 
Thefirst point, decided should, perh8,ps,,be accepted by this 
court as a r\ilg,,of ypçoperty established by a deliberate decis- 
ion of the supreme .'COiirt of the state. ,^ Hendereon y. Griffin, 
6 Pet. 151,;^, i/ ; ■■,,. / '^. \ ..,, ^',,_ ^ 
. The second point o6m.es,V|ithin the description of a judi- 
cial interpretation by; the highest court, in the state ofone of 
its own statutea, and is therjefçre. binding upon the federal 
courts., , , . ^ ,.^ . . ,,, 
But, it is ;aot ipaterial in thip case to decide that this court 
is bound by.thie ri:[Jjing of the. supreme court of Illinois, for I 
bave examined;,with carQ the opinion of that court abovô 
oited, and have cojjsidered fully the aifgument of plaintiff's 
counsel in opposition to the yiewf, th^rein expressed, and my 
conclusion is that the decision isao^n^ çind shoqld.be fol- 
low.^d upon. t^ Hiejrita.of the fiuestions discuased. 
, judgment for d^fepdant., . ,^ 
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Iiiie proçeeSings. See J« re Boston, H. e -E; E, R. 6 N. B. 
E: 209; Fogertj/ i. 'Ginty.i N. B. E. 4&amp;1; In re Derby, 8 N. 
B. Ei lOGi I think the latter to be the better opinion, and 
ibat the pïoceeding in this icase is maintainable by the atr 
taching ereditor, whose lien is divested by the adjudication 
by the:eixpres8 terma of the law. 
Varions grotinds are alleged in the petition,, and were urged 
in th© .argument at the hesamgi why theiproceedings should 
be dismissed for want of jurisdiction by the court, but only 
îone seems to have been urged with confidence by the oounsel 
for the petitioner, to-wit, that the creditors' petition inbanjî,- 
ruptcrf , and also the debts: of the petitioning creditors, were 
verified befoire a notary public, and that the notary failed to 
affix to the deposition and proofs his notarial seal. It.migkt, 
perhaps,'be à sufficient ànswer to the -objection to say that 
the affidavita and proofs were nbt taken until the month of 
■July, 1877, and' that the oongress of the United States, on' the 
fifteenth'of August, 1876, (19 St. at Largej 206,) passed an 
act authorizing notaries public &quot;to take depositions, and do 
'ail othër acts in relation to taking testimony^ to be used in 
,iihe courts of - the United States, [and] to take acknowledg- 
ments iaud affidavits, in the same manner and &quot;with the same 
-effect as commissioners oï the United States circuit courts 
oiay now lawfully take' or do.&quot; The bankrupt law, as orig- 
inaliy .enacted, pfovided that the petition and inventory, in 
yoluntary caees, should be verified by' the dath of the peti- 
tioner, taken eithej! befdre the district judge, or the register, 
■or a commisaioner of thei circuit court. It did not, in tenus, 
a-equire any verification of the. petition in ihvoluntary cases ; 
but the supreme court, in preparing the; teçffls of proceedings, 
and in analogy to the provisions of the act in voluntary 
xîases, required a verification of an involuntary petition by 
the same ofBc«rs. 
The twentieth section of the amendment of June 22, 1874, 
authorized notaries public ioisike proof of deits against th0 
estate of th© bankrupt, stipulating, howevef, that such proof 
«hould be eertified by the notary and afctested by bis signai 
ture and officiai seal. The above-rcclted aot of Aiigust 15,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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for the district of Connecticut, and in this court, where the 
Bame questions are pending in a way better calculated to 
elicit the exact truth, willset the matter right; but, taking 
the evidence as I find it, including such inspection as one who 
is not an expert can give to the articles themselves, I do not 
feel at liberty to say that there has been a breach of the 
injunction. 
Motion denied. 
TUOKBR ». P. &amp; F. GOBBIK. 
{Cireuit Court, D. Connecticut. March 2, 1880.) 
TncKER V. BuBDiTT and others, ante, 808, followed in this case. 
In Equity. ■ Motion for an Attachment. 
Shipman, D. J. This is a motion for an attachment against 
the defendants for an alleged violation of the injunction order 
heretofore issued by this court in the above-entitled cause. 
The same queistions which are presented in the affidavits 
were tried by Judge Lowell upon a motion for attachment by 
the present plaintiff against Burditt and others. The motion 
was denied, and, after examining the varions exhibits in the 
case, I can do no more than refer to the clearly expressed 
opinion of Judge Lowell as an embodiment of my views. I 
do not think that any. benefit would be conferred upon the 
parties by now attempting to modify or vary the language 
■which he has used. 
In both the Connecticut and Massachusetts cases there 
were draw pulls which were, after being cleaned from iron 
scale, tumbled in a barrel . containing bits of brass, or brass 
■&quot;scratchers.&quot; By this process the surface of the articles was 
&quot;brassed,&quot; or was more or less covered with a deposit of the 
aofter metal. They were then dipped incopal varnish, known 
as- a bronzing varnish, which was hardened in an ovenheated 
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The Woven Wiee Mattebss Co. v. Palmbb. 
{Oirmit Court, 8. D. Nm Tork. May 27, 1880.) 
1. &quot;Woven Wire Mattress Co. v. Wire Web Bed Co., 1 Fbd. Rbp. 
222, foUowed in this case. 
In Equity. 
G. E. Perkins, for plaintîff. 
G. GoeUer, for defendant. 
Blatchford, C, J. Witbin the rulings made by Judge 
Blodgett and Judge Shipman, on the plaintiff's patent, I am 
of opinion that the frame purchased by Eoberts from the 
defendant infringes claims 1 and 3 of the plaintiff's pat- 
ent. It has, substantially, the inclined end rail of the 
patent, made in two parts, for the purpose of clamping the 
fabric and holding it suspended by means of the inclination 
between the points of attachment. In it the end rails are 
raised above the side rails and held in place by' corner irons, 
or standards, which perfôrm the same fanction as the plain- 
tift's standard. There are nO' inclined recesses in its stand- 
ards, to hold the ends of the end rails in an inclined position, 
but the end rails are evid«ntly purposely inclined, and held 
80 by a acrew boit passing through a part of the standard 
and into the lower end rail. So, too, the end rail is double. 
The ends of the fabric are bent over the upper edge of the 
lower end rail, and the bolts, or nails, or screws, &quot;which go 
through the upper end rail and through the fabric and into 
the lower end rail, aid in holding the fabric to the frame. 
The side rails, standards, and end rails on such frame are the 
manifest equivalent of those in the plaintiff's patent. 
I do not consider claims 2 and 4, and do not decide any- 
&quot;thing as to their construction, or as to the infringement, but 
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The ancient laws of Oleron, Wisby, and the Hanse towns 
contained no provision on this subject, nor is any alteration 
of the nile of the oivil law noted by Eoccus; but Vinnius, an 
earlier author, states that by the law of Holland the owners 
were not chargeable beyond the value of the ship and the 
things that are in it. The Hanseatic ordinance of 1614 had 
already pronounced the goods of the owner discharged from 
daims for damage by the sale of the ship to pay them ; and 
in conformity therewith the French ordinance of 1681 de- 
clared &quot;that the owners of ships shall be answerable for the 
acts of the master, but shall be discharged therefrom upon 
relinquishing their ship and the freight.&quot; A similar provis- 
ion in the ordinance of Eotterdam, made in 1721, declares 
&quot;that the owners shall not be answerable for any act of the 
master done withçut their order, any further than their part 
of the ship amounts to;&quot; and by other articles of the same 
ordinance it appears that each part owner is liable only for 
the value of his own share. Valen, in his Commentaries on 
the French Ordinance, informs us that the same regulations 
were also established at Hamburg. 
The earliest provision of the British legislature on this sub- 
ject is a statuts passed a fewyears after the dateof the ordi- 
nance of Eotterdam, in consequence of a petition presented 
to the house of commons by several merchants and other per- 
sons, owners of ships belonging to the port of London, setting 
forth the alarm of the petitioners at the event of a late action, 
in which it was determined that the owners were answerable 
for the value of the merchandise embezzled by the master. 
A ruling of Lord Mansiield, 50 years later, that the own- 
ers of a vessel, which had been forcibly robbed of a large 
an}ount of specie in the Thames, were liable for the loss, 
though one of the mariners w^s accessory to the robbery, 
suf&amp;ced to alarm the ship-owners of London, and upon 
another petition to the house of commons a second atatute 
was passed, extending protection to owners in case of robbery 
without the privity of the master or mariners, The protec- 
tion thus acoorded to them was greatly enlarged af terwards 
by the 63 Geo. IIL c. 159; but these varions statutes were&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/832</title>
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are attached by tow-Iines, and employed to . a very large ex- 
tent in interstate commerce upon the lakes. Whether the 
owners of such barges would not be entitled to the benefit of 
the limited liability act, is an open question. Undoubtedly 
they are within the letter of the exception, but as they are a 
class of vessels which was unknown at the time the act was 
passed, it would seem they are not within its spirit. I see 
no reason in principle why they are not as much within the 
act as the propellers which fumish them their motive power. 
It is possible, however, that the use of the word &quot;barges,&quot; 
in the Eevised Statutea of 1873, may indicate an intention 
on the part of congress to extend the exemption to this class 
of vessels. 
Third. &quot;Lighters&quot; — a well-known class of vessels, used in 
assisting to load and unload other vessels. 
Fourth. &quot;Vessels, of whatever description, used in rivers or 
inland navigation.&quot; Under this exemption it was held by 
Judge Drummond, in The War Eagle, 6 Biss. 264, that ves- 
sels used in navigating the waters of the upper Mississippi 
were not within the limited liability act, though engaged in 
interstate commerce. 
Now it seems to me clear, from the above exceptions, that 
congress did not intend the act should apply to vessels en- 
gaged in purely local trade, and a fortiori to a vessel not built 
for the purpose of trade, but of pleasure ; not run upon any 
regular route, not engaged in the business of carrying freight 
or passengers. I do not undertake to say that pleasure 
yachts, making long voyages upon the lakes or ocean, may 
not be within the act, but I think pleasure boats, whether 
propelled by steam or sail, engaged in purely local naviga- 
tion, running in and out of the same port, though sometimes 
carrying passengers for hire, f ail within the exception. I 
have not overlooked the case of The Daniel Bail, 10 Wall. 
557, or The Ventura, just decided, but for reasons already 
given they have no application. In the case of The Ventura, a 
steam-ship navigating the Pacific Ocean between San Fran- 
cisco and the lower ports of California, carrying merohandise&lt;noinclude&gt;
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entitled to a large amount of freight, but the master might 
be entitled to considerable contingent profits from the allow- 
ances made to him upon such a voyage. Could this court take 
upon itself to decide upon the amount of these contingencies, 
and to decree the payment Of the same, in addition to the pay- 
ment of the f ull value of the ship ? I am clearly of the opinion 
that it could not. The true rule of law in such a case would, 
I conceive, be this, namely : to calculate the value of the prop- 
erty destroyed at the time of the loss, and to pay it to the 
owners as a fuU indemnite to them for ail that may have 
happened, without entering for a moment into any other con- 
sideration. If the principle to the contrary, contended for by 
the owners of the smaok in this case, were once admitted, I 
see no limit, in its application, to the difficulties which would 
be enforced upon the court. It would extend to almost end- 
less ramifications, and in every case I might be called upon 
to determine, not only the value of the ship, but the profits 
to be derived on the voyage in which she might be engaged, 
and, indeed, even to those of the return voyage, which might 
be said to have been defeated by the collision.&quot; In this case 
the court only allowed the value of the ship, and denied the 
claim of the master for the wàges or average profits he would 
have earned from time of collision, 1 Parsons on Ship. &amp; 
Adm. 540, 541, note. Notwithstanding this positive lan- 
guage of one of the most learned among the judges of the 
high court of admiralty, it is found that, in some instances, 
that court has not conformed to these views. 
In the Betsey Carnes, 2 Hagg. 28, a smack was run down 
through negligence, while engaged in rendering salvage serv- 
ice to another vessel, and Lord Stowell allowed, in addition 
to the value of the smack, damages for the loss of the ex- 
pected salvage reward. See, also, The Yorkshireman, 2 Hagg. 
30, note. 
In 1860, The Canada, Lushington, 584, was decided. That 
vessel was carrying cargo from Cadiz to St. Johns, under a 
charter to carry timber from Quebec to England. She was 
totally lost by a collision on the voyage to St. Johns. The&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/844</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646528</id>
    <revision>
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teenth of December, 1877, to the twenty-ninth of December, 
it was found impossible to reaoh the dock from this cause, 
and also, a part of the time, on account of ice formed about 
the boat. The respondents did all they could, meanwhile, to 
assist the libellant in overcoming the difi&amp;oulty, and about 
the twenty-fourth day of December they obtained permission 
of a steam-boat company, owners of an adjoining pier, to 
have the coal landed there ; and this was done at consider- 
able additional expense to the respondents in receiving the 
coal. 
Upon the proof, I think the delay in getting to the place 
of discharge, was not caused by the insufficiency of the repond- 
ents' dock, or any obstacle they threw in the way. There 
is a great eonfliot in the testimony of the parties, but the 
libellant is, on material points, so contradieted as virtually 
to be discredited, Upon settlement of his freight bill the 
libellant brought up the subject of a daim for demurrage, 
but, upon the suggestion by respondents of the extra expense 
they had been at, the claim appears to have been waived or 
abandoned, but afterwarda this suit was brought. 
Xiibel dismissed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/846</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646530</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135284</id>
      <parentid>14560862</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:30:45Z</timestamp>
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owners of the first mortgage bonds, and bring this bill, alleg- 
ing in substance that the defendants, as such trustees, have 
received from the income of the roads large sums of money, 
— at one time $56,000, and at another $50,000, — aftersatis- 
fying all prier claims for rent; and at still other times $210,- 
000 more than enough to pay the rent, which they have ap- 
plied to their own uses and to other purposes, and havefailed 
to pay over to the bondholders, to whom the money belongs. 
The defendants who are representatives of Joseph Clark, 
deceased, have demurred to the bill because the Vermont &amp; 
Canada Eailroad Company, as prior lienholder upon the funds, 
and the subsequent lienholdeTs are net made parties. The 
other defendants have pleaded the pendency of proceedings 
in a court of ohancery of the state to the jurisdiction of this 
court. The orators have set the plea down for argument, and 
the cause has been heard upon the demurrer and plea. 
The proceedings in the court of chancery vrere brought to 
enforce the lien for rent, and resulted in the appointment of 
these trustees of the first mortgage, while so in possession, 
receivers to raise funds to pay o£E the rent before applying 
the income to these mortgage bonds. Afterwards an agree- 
ment was made between the parties changing the basîs of the 
rent, and providing for certain things to be done and specifie 
payments to be made, and that then the trustees should pay, 
first, the rent ; second, the first mortgage bonds ; third, the 
second mortgage bonds, and then the mortgagor; and that 
there should be a decree in the cauee to be binding on all 
parties in interest in both roads. A decree was made ac- 
cordingly, founded on this consent, but which went further 
than the agreement, and provided also for a settlement of 
the accounts of the trustees and receivers by a committee of 
bondholders, and (on objection) by the court, and that the 
cause should be retained in court, with liberty to the parties 
to apply to the court for further orders therein as they might 
be advised. It was while the trustees were in possession 
under this arrangement that the trustees received the money 
sought by the orators. Afterwards they were, at their owri 
request, discharged from the possession of the property by an&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/860</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646544</id>
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Company would have been of little or no value ; that the loan 
was effected for the purpose of giving value to the bonds 
and to the mortgages in suit ; that the bondholders, by meana 
of said loan, gave to the securities held by them their prin- 
cipal if not their entire value; and that by reason of the 
promises the petitioner bas a lien superior to the rights and 
equities of the bondholders, and that his claim to be re-im- 
bursed the amount advanced in taking up the note is a prior 
lien upon the raiiroad and other property of the railway Com- 
pany. 
It is further alleged that the trustee in the mortgages fore- 
closed in this action, and all the bondholders and stockhold- 
ers of the railway company, had knowledge of the facts set 
forth in the petition as they occurred, and especially of the 
fàcts and ciroumstances relative to the loan and the payment 
thereof by petitioner for the company, and that all of said 
transactions took place with their fuU knowledge and consent. 
There is also a general allegation that the present action 
to foreclose the first and second mortgages upon the road ia 
a collusive one, and is prosecuted in fact for the benefit and 
under the management of those bondholders who hold and 
(Control a majority of the stock of the company, and for the 
pùrpose of avoiding payment of petitioner's claim. 
The prayer of the petition is that an order may be entered 
establishing and allowing, as against the bondholders, the 
alleged right and claim of the petitioner to the sum of $293,- 
038.11, with interest, and direeting the receiver to pay the 
same oat of the earnings of the road, or, if such earnings 
shall not be sufficient for that purpose, then that petitioner's 
demand may be paid out of the proceeds of the sale of the 
mortgaged property before payment of any part of such pro- 
ceeds to the holders of bonds. The main points of the 
argument advanced in support of the petition are that the 
moneys borrowed from the iron and coal company were 
used by the railway company to complete its unflnished 
road; that the loan was effected and the expenditure made 
at the request and under the direction of the bondholders, 
and that the new construction thereby accomplished gave&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/874</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646558</id>
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first, after repealing the city's charter and declaring that the 
population within the territorial limita thereof should be 
&quot;resolved back into the body of the state,&quot; enacts that &quot;ail 
power of taxation, in any form whatever, heretofore vesfcedin 
or exercised by the authorities of said (repealed)'municipal- 
ity * * * is forever withdrawn and reserved to the leg- 
islature.&quot; And in harmony with this declaration, the act 
creating the taxing district provided that &quot;the necessary taxes 
for the support of the government therein established (the 
taxing district) shall be imposed directly by the general as- 
sembly of the state of Tennessee, and not otherwise. &quot; And, as 
a further means of putting the taxing district beyond the power 
of the courts, said act deelared &quot;that all the officers and 
agents employed in the administration of said local govern- 
ment shall be the officers and agents of the state, so far aa 
all their officiai acts, touching said government, are con- 
cerned.&quot; 
And said act further provides &quot;that the fire-enginea, hose 
and carriages, horses and wagons, engine-houses, public build- 
ings, public squares, parks, promenades, wharves, streets, 
alleys, engineer instruments, and all other property, real and 
Personal, hitherto used by said government for the purposes 
of government,&quot; should be transferred to the board of com- 
missioners of the taxing district, to remain, as heretofore, 
public property for the public use, and that all indebtednesa 
for taxes or otherwise, due to said extinct municipality, 
should &quot;vest in and become the property of the state, to be 
disposed of for the settlement of the debts of said municipal- 
ity, &quot; as should be thereafter provided by law. 
These enactments neoessitated an amended and supple- 
mental bill, which was accordingly filed. Other creditors of 
the city filed similar bills, seeking the same relief, which 
were, on motion and by consent of the parties, consolidated, 
and ordered to be heard together with the suit of Garrett &amp; 
Sons. After being thus consolidated, the application for the 
appointment of a receiver came on, to be heard on the twelfth 
of February, 1 .179, when the aforesaid acts were urged in 
argument as a fuU and sufficient defence to said motion.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/890</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646574</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135287</id>
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on bonds. But as said taxes were ail levîedfor the purpose 
of paying current expenses and debts, and as the expenses of 
the city governraeut have been liquidated, it may, I think, be 
assumed that the taxes remaining unpaid were levied for cred- 
itors. They were se levied under the power of local taxation 
conferred by its charter on said city, which power of taxation 
was a eontract, and the inducement for the credit given by 
complainants to the city, and by reason of the premises vested 
equitably in the creditors. If this is true, it seems to me that 
the well-considered adjudications of the supreme court, here- 
inbefore quoted, are conclusive in favor of the view I bave 
taken. The authority of a court of cbancery to collect 
through its reoeiyer, and administer the fund for the benefit 
of the cestuis que trust, bas been demonstrated by Mr. Jus- 
tice Strong in the liberal extract which I bave quoted from 
bis opinion. 
But, as a last resort in argument, it is said that it is not 
intended todeprive the creditors of this fund; that the legis- 
lature bas simply provided for its collection and distribution 
among creditors, which it is insisted it had the right to do. It 
is difficult to treat the argument with any degree of gravity. 
The future will disçlose that the remedy thus provided is but 
a mockery of justice. 
If the legislature has the constutional right to &quot;alter, post- 
pone, or release&quot; these unpaid taxes at pleasure, it possesses 
the power to make any disposition of them it ehooses. A 
bill has been already introduced into the present legislature 
to divert a portion of the fund from the purposes to which it 
was dedicated, by the repealing and subsequent acts ; and if the 
prinoiple contended for is conceded,it is not hazarding much 
to say that the creditors will not be greatly benefited by the 
remedy thus provided for them. But before this legislative 
remedy was provided, a day before the repealing act was 
passed, this court, upon a bill regularly filed, iii behalf of 
Garrett &amp; Sons, in exact compliance with the statutory rem- 
edythen avithori;2ed, took eognizance of their complaint, which 
impounded the fund. Its jurisdiction was complete; and 
^hen the acts which the supreme court held (without any&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/894</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646578</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135288</id>
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Ogdensbuegh &amp; Lake Champlain E. Co. ». The Nashua &amp; 
LOWELL E. Co. 
(Oireuit Court, B. New Hampshire. February 24, 1881.) 
In Equity. Demurrer. 
Sidney Bartlett and Wallace Hachett, for plaintiff. 
F. A. Brooks, for defendants. 
The bill in this case is like that passed upon in Ogdens- 
burgh e Lake Champlain B, Co. v. Boston e Lowell R. Corp., 
e Fbd. Eep. 64, and bas not been amended to meet the ob- 
iections sustained in that case. 
The order must therefore must be : Demurrer sustained. 
Spakgleb V. Sellebs.* 
(Circuit Court, 8. B. OMo. February 16, 1881.) 
1. Attoknet and Client — Attohkey tlNDBRTAKiîrG to Pbrfobm Serv- 
ice Beïoni) Hi8 Employmbnt — Degreb of Skill. 
If an attorney, employed to conduct a cause, undertakes to peif onn 
any service in regard to the case which, by his employment, he was 
not bound to do, unless specially directed by his client, he will be held 
tb the same strictness in the manner of its discharge as if within the 
terms of his contract. 
2. Attornbt AT Law — Pbrfbct Lbciai, Knowledge not Requibed. 
The undertaking of an attorney is not that he possesses perfect 
legal knowledge, or the highest degree of skill in relation to the busi- 
ness he undertakes, nor that he will conduct it with the greatest 
degree of diligence, care, and prudence. 
3. Same — Ordinary Legal Knowledge and Obdinaet Diligence 
Reqtjirbd. 
But the undertaking of an attorney with his client is that he pos- 
sesses the ordinary legal knowledge and skill common to members of 
the profession, and that in the discharge of his duties he will exercise 
ordinary and reasonable diligence, care, and prudence. 
*Reported by Messrs. Florien Glauque and J. 0. Ilarper, of the Cincin- 
nati i.ar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/900</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646584</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135290</id>
      <parentid>14560817</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:30:51Z</timestamp>
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      </contributor>
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      <comment>/* top */ Common scannos., replaced: FEDBB →  FEDER,  EEPO →  REPO, POBTER → PORTER, removed: � (8)</comment>
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      <text bytes="2277" sha1="t1edj4dph5h2tk86uuprxm2aw0in3no" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;888 FEDERAL REPORTER. 
Section 4 of the act of twelfth of April, 1858, (Swan &amp; 
Clitchfield, 1155,) in force when these proceedings were had, 
provides : 
&quot;In all causes pending in the court of conimon pleas, or 
either of the superior courts of this state, either party shall 
have the right to excepfc to the opinion of the court on a mo- 
tion to direct a nonsuit to arrestthe testimony from the jury; 
and all cases of motion for a new trial, by reason of any sup- 
posed misdirection of the court to the jury, or by reason that 
the verdict, or, in case the jury be waived, that the finding 
of the court, may be supposed to be against law and evi- 
dence, 80 that said case may be removed by petition in 
error.&quot; It was held by the supreme court (Spangler v. 
Brown, 26 Ohio St. 389) that underthis statute it was neces- 
sary that a motion for a new trial should have been made 
and overruled, and exceptions taken thereto, before they 
could be asked to reverse the judgment on the ground that 
the court erred in its finding upon the question of actual 
fraud. This statute seems to be unambiguous in its terms, 
and it had been in existence for four years; and the knowl- 
edge of its provisions should ordinarily and reasonably have 
been possessed by one who undertook to conduct legal pro- 
ceedings of that character ; and the ignorance of or failure 
to apply snch knowledge by the defendant was negligence. 
This brings us to the consideration of the more important 
question growing ont of the peculiar facts of this case : Did 
damage resuit to the plaintifiE from this omission— this negli- 
gence upon the part of the defendant ? 
It must be conceded that if the plaintiff suffered no loss or 
damage by this act he would have no right of recovery. Loss 
and damage to him is the foundation upon which his action 
rests; without this the action must fail. Do the averments 
of this petition, when taken altogether, show damage re- 
sulted to the plaintiff from this negligence ? I know that the 
general averment of the petition so alleges, but the other 
averments of the petition show that all the issues as to the 
fraudulent character of the conveyance, and the relief prayed 
for, had been passed upon by the district court, and had all&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/906</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646591</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135291</id>
      <parentid>14644315</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:30:52Z</timestamp>
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have had if the supreme court had reversed the judgment, 
and he had ultimately recovered all he claimed, unless the 
defendant oan show that the supreme court woiild not have 
reversed the judgment, and that the plaintiff would not have 
ultimately recovered what he claimed, would be placing the 
burden of proof where, according to no established legal 
principle, can it rest. 
In Suydam v. Vance, 2 McLean, 99, a case decided in this 
circuit in 1840, Mr. Justice McLean, in discussing the ques- 
tion of the liability of an attorney for negligence in not tak- 
ing the proper steps to coUect a note from the maker, says : 
&quot;It must be shown, therefore, not only that the attorney was 
grossly negligent in proceeding against the maker of the 
note, but that the amount might have been collected from 
him had the proper steps been taken.&quot; That there must be 
a legal prejudice to the client is clearly shown in Harter v. 
Morris, 18 Ohio St. 492. In that case the petition showed 
that Harter, the plaintiff, was sued jointly with four others 
as joint makers of a promissory note; that a verdict was ren- 
dered against them all, and that he alone took a second trial, 
and gave bond, but that, by negligence of the attorney, the 
journal entry showed that a second trial had been taken by 
all the defendants, and by like negligence the bond was exe- 
cuted for the payment of any judgment whioh might be ren- 
dered against them; that on the second trial a verdict and judg- 
ment were rendered in favor of the defendant Harter, and 
against the other defendants, and that Harter was compelled, 
by suit on the bond, to pay the judgment against the other 
defendants, because they were insolvent. Upon demurrer to 
the petition, the court below sustained the demurrer, and ren- 
dered final judgment for the defendant. Upon error, the 
supreme court held that the legal effect of the undertaking 
was to render Harter liable only for such judgment as might 
be rendered against him, and that there was no negligence 
on the part of the defendant to the legal prejudice of the 
plaintiff, and affirmed the judgment of the court below. 
From the examination I have been able to give this ques- 
tion, I am of opinion that to entitle the plaintiff to recover&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 5.djvu/910</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>646595</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135292</id>
      <parentid>15130918</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:30:53Z</timestamp>
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Blairdeîl, Id. Sll ; Butterjield v. Clemence, 10 Cush. 269; 
Crawfor V. Newell, 23 Iowa, 453. 
The wagons and sait in question were capable of manual 
delivery. They were the property of the defendant in the 
writs, on; his premises, and in his possession. The deputy 
sheriff did nothing whatever to divest or change this posses- 
sion, or prevent the attachment of the property by any other 
officer. In the first instance the levy made by the marshal 
was ûo beiter than that made by the deputy sheriff, but after- 
wards, and'before the deputy sheriff had taken or attempted 
to take the aotual oustody of the property, the marshal per- 
feoted his levy by taking actiial possession, and now bas the 
property in his custody. It is needless to inquire whether 
the writ from this or the magistrate's court was first issued. 
The rule is well settled that ih case of such writs issuing 
from a federal and state court agaiust the same defendant, 
the writ under which the property is first actually taken into 
custody bas priority, without regard to the date of the respect- 
ive writs. The usual stattitory provision that an execution 
or writ of attachment shall be a lien upon or bind the prop- 
erty of the defendant in the writ from the time it comes to 
the hands of the officer, bas no operation in such cases. In 
the case at bar neither the marshal nor the deputy sheriff 
had the least priority of right.until one had acquired it by a 
prior valid levy. The possession under such a levy is notice 
of the attachment, and prevents a second attachment, and 
ail conflict of jurisdiction. Nor can the marshal of this 
court and a sheriff make a joint oï partnership levy on the 
same property, nor can one of these officers make a levy sub- 
ject to the prior levy of the other. They açt under author- 
ity of different governments, and each must make his return 
and account to the court of which he is an officer. Any 
effort to mingle their powers and authority would lead to 
confusion, and tend to bring about conflicts between thô 
courts of the two governments and their officers. To avoid 
these reaults the rule is inflexible that property cannot be 
the subject of levy under writs issuing from a federal and 
state court at the same time. The first actual seizure,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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7EDERAL BBFORTER. 
when they concem the public or the rights of third persons, 
as though they were officers de jure. The affaira of society 
cannot be carried on upon any other principle. * * * It 
will be observed that the cases do not go upon the ground 
that the claim by an individual to be a publie officer, and his 
acting as such, is merely prima fade evidence that he is an 
ofScer de jure, but the principle they establish is this : that 
an individual coming into office by color of an election or 
appointment is an officer de facto, and his acts in relation to 
the public or third persons are valid until he is removed, 
although it be conceded that his election or appointment was 
illegal. His title shall not be inquired into. The mere claim 
tô be a public officer, and the performance of a single or even 
a number of acts in that oharacter, would not perhaps con- 
stitute an individual an officer de facto. There must be some 
color of an election or appointment, or an exercise of the 
office, and an acquiescence on the part of the public for a 
length of time, which would afford a strong presumption of 
atleast a colorable election or appointment.&quot; 
In Peopie v. White, 24 Wend. 539, Mr. Ghancellor Wal- 
•worth said : &quot;An officer de facto is onë who cornes into a legal 
and constitutional office by color of a legal appointment or 
election to that office; and, as the duties of the office must 
be disoharged by some one for the benefit of the public, the 
law does not require third persons, at their peril, to ascer- 
tàin whether such officer bas been properly elected or ap- 
pointed before they submit themselves to his, authority, or call 
upon him to perform officiai acts which it is necessary should 
be performed. Thus, for instance, the constitution requires 
that the justices of the supreme court shall be appointed by 
the governor, with the advice and consent of the senate; but 
if, either intentionally or from inadvertence, the governor 
ehould appoint and commission an individual as one of the 
justices of that court without having previously nominated 
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side or the other as to suoh values. If there bas been any 
element of uiïfaimess in the sale, such as fraud or collusion, 
or partiality on the part of the creditors or the assignee, 
or any misfortune or accident, such as epidemies, floods, or 
the like, or unnecessary and prolonged delay, whereby the 
property bas either depreciated in value or been sacriliced at 
the sale, the fault and loss should fall on the creditors and 
not the bankrupt. He should not be prejudiced by their mis- 
management, or their machinations to defeat his discharge by 
lessening bis assets. But in ail such cases the extraordinary 
circumstances must appear, and the reason why the sale or 
collections of the assignee bave fallen short of real values 
must be stated and proved, so that the court can see that the 
property bas brought so much less than under a fair and 
auspicious sale it would have done, that the difference is sub- 
stantial and controlling on the question of discharge. Mere 
opinions of witnesses will not do, and cannot prevail over 
the demonstration of a fair and unobjectionable sale. And 
the bankrupt must present the facts in his petition for dis- 
charge, or otherwise in some plenary method, so that issues 
can be tendered and tried as to the conduct of thô sale and 
the fact of difference in values. 
On the record as it stands I cannot discharge the bank- 
rupt; but I shall not now refuse his petition, and will again 
refer it to the register to appoint another day, and see if his 
creditors will assënt. Their opposition for cause bas been 
overruled, and I do not see that they are especially objecting- 
because of a deficienoy Of assets, but they bave not assented, 
and the record does not show a compliance with the condi- 
tions of thestatute. The deficiency amounts only to about 
$15. This bankrupt has had considerable exemptions allowed, 
and if he will, out of these or otherwise, increase his assets to- 
the required amount, I shall disobarge him without the assent of 
his creditors. But I wish it distinctly understood that this 
case on that point is not &quot;to be drawn into a precedent,&quot; for I 
thiûkit a vicious practioe-to allow the bankrupt to increase 
hiô: assets for the purposes of a discharge, and very nearly 
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intended to extibit to the eye, in the different stages of fold- 
ing, a vrapper or paper box made from a single piece of 
pasteboard, and showing the patentee's method of locking 
the ends of the box, so as to distinguish his device from any 
in which &quot;the tongue is inserted and withdrawn in the line 
of the opening strain, or in which the tongue projeots longi- 
tudinally from its flap, or is folded around the box in the 
same direction as the flap that it is intended to secure.&quot; 
The second claim of the re-issue — the one alleged to be m- 
fringed— seems to be for the exact deviees, or combination of 
devices, described in the original patent. This is so evident 
that the defendant's expert, Mr. Hicks, when asked by the 
connsel of the defendant to state what changes, if any, had 
been made in the re-issue, frankly replied, (defendant's re- 
cord, 220) : &quot;I have made the examination and comparison 
required by the question, and I find, in my opinion, no sub- 
stantial change in the subject-matter of the re-issue from the 
subject-matter of the original patent.&quot; 
When a skillful expert, alive to the intereats of his em- 
ployer, makes such an ans-vrer, it may be saf ely assumed that 
the re-is9ue is for the same invention as the original patent. 
2. As to the construction of Jhe second claim of the com- 
plainant's patent. It is insisted with mueh force, by the 
counsel for the defendant, that if it be as broadly construed, 
as the complainant contends for, it is void for want of nov- 
elty. The drawings and specifications, both in the original 
and the re-issue, exhibit the locking of the box by means of 
the shoulders of the tongues or corners as the distinguishing 
feature of the invention. If this claim be regarded as sim- 
ply introducing the tongues as corners, without preserving 
the locking quality referred to, it does not produce the resuit 
mbstantially as described, and is such a departure from the 
original invention as to render the re-issue invalid, being for 
a different invention. The evidence shows that there is noth- 
ing new in any of the instrumentalities used by the patentee, 
Heyl, except the interlooking the two outer flaps of the ends 
of the box in the manner set forth. 
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existence of such an agreement. It was also contended that the claim- 
ants were entitled to eight days in whioh to remove the property, by 
the usage of the port, but the testimony fails to prove the existence 
of such a usage. Eeliance was also placed upon the statutes of the 
United States (Eev. St. § 2880) as giving the claimants eight days 
within which to remove this cargo. But the statute has no relation 
•whatever to the duty devolving upon the buyer of this property 
under the circumstances stated. A!U that the testimony shows is 
an understanding between the claimants and the master that, so far 
as relates to the time of the removal of the property, the vessel 
should be. considered as having just arrived and entered at the 
cuatom-house. Upon such facts, the only obligation on the part of 
the buyers of the phosphates was to perform their implied promise 
to remove the property froni the vessel within a reasonable time, 
and the right of the libellant to demurrage depends upon the ques- 
tion whether the property in question was reinoved within a reason- 
able time from the thirteenth of September, that being the day on 
■which the marshal delivered the property to the claimants. No 
detention of the vesselprior to that day can be imptited tO the claim- 
ants, for prior to that day they had no right to remove the property. 
Upon the question of what was a reasonable time within which to 
remove this property, I am of the opinion that with reascnable cx- 
«^rtion all could have been discharged by the 16th; This ieaves four 
days to be paid for. Thirty dollars a day is reasonable demurrage, 
and the amount of the demurrage is therefore $120. 
The next question is whether a maritime lien attached to this mer- 
chandise for the amount of the, demurrage in question. Here the 
peculiarity of the case is that the acts complained of which giye rise 
to the claim for demurrage are not the acts of a shipper or of a con- 
signee of the merchandise. the claimants ' were no parties to the 
contract of affreightment under which the property had been trans- 
ported, — if such a contract there was, — but simply purchasers of the 
property as it lay in the vessel. Moreover, they purchased from the 
marshal, and must be held to have received the merchandise from the 
marshal free and clear of any existing encumbrance or charge. 
The question presented by this state of facts appears, therefore, 
at first sight, to be different from the question that arises when the 
aets complained of are those of a shipper of property, or a consignee 
of property, under the ordinary contract of affreightment. And yet, 
in principle, there is no difference ; for demurrage is only a reward 
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Page 
Lane, Ex parte 34 
Latrobe v. Hulbert 209 
Lewis, Johnson V 27 
Lewis, Shainwald v 753, 766 
LeyJand, Bryant v 125 
Lindsay, Kowell v 290 
Lindsay, Sterritt &amp; Co., Stro- 
bridge v 510 
LocJjwood V. Cleaveland 721 
Louisville, N. A. &amp; C. Ry. Ce, 
Fargo V 787 
Ludlow, Westphal v 348 
Lunt V. Boston Marine Ins. Co. 562 
L. W. Morgan, The, Fawcett v. 200 
Macliaye v. Mallory 743 
Malier,AlbanyCityNat.Banlcv. 417 
Main v. Bromley 477 
Mallory, Macitaye v 743 
Mansfield V. Dudgeon 584 
Mariai, The 831 
Marine City, The 413 
Marks V. Fox 727 
Marks v. Schwartz 727 
Mary Shaw, The 918 
Matthews v. Chambers 874 
Matthews v. Warner 461 
Mayer, Wear v 658 
May &amp; Eva, The 628 
Memphis, C. &amp; N. W. R, Co., 
Walsh V 797 
Memphis &amp; L. R. R. Co. , United 
States V 237 
Merriam, Smith v 713, 903 
Michel, In re 706 
Miller, Bank of British North 
America v 545 
Missionary Society of the M. E. 
Church, Dalles City v 356 
Miasionary Society of the M. E. 
Church, Kelly V 356 
Mississippi, The 643 
Morgan, Cross v 241 
Mott, Inre 685 
Mutual Life Ins. Co. of New 
York, Sbhultz v 672 
National Bank of Kising Sun, 
Indiana, v. Brush 132 
National Park Bank of New 
York, United States v 852 
Neil, Fischer V 89 
New Haven Savings Bank, Yale 
Lock Manuf 'g Co. v 377 
Niagara, The 906 
Niantic, The 632 
Norman, The 406 
Norton, Varyv 808 
Norwich Nat. Bank, Yale Lock 
Manuf'gCo. V 377 
Oberteufler v. Harwood 828 
Oliver v. Cunningham 60 
Olsen V. The Edwin Post 314 
Oregonian Ry. Co., City of Port- 
land V 321 
O'Shaughoessey, Fischer V 92 
Page V. City of Chillicothe 599 
Peckham v. Cozzens 598 
Peck V. Comstock 22 
Peebles, Dawes v 856 
Pence v. Cochran 269 
Peterson, Burdick v. .... 840 
Philadelphia Trust, Safe Deposit 
&amp; Ins. Co. V. Seventh Nat. 
Bank of Philadelphia 114 
Pickel V. Isgrigg 676 
Pool V. C, B. &amp; Q. R. Co 844 
Potter, Barncs v 661 
Putnam V. Holleiider 882 
Putnam v. Von Ilofe 897 
Receivership of Iowa &amp; Minne- 
sota Construction Co.,In re.. 799 
Re&lt;d V. Weld 304 
Regester v. Dodge 8 
Rhode Island Hospital Trust Co. 
V. Hazard 119 
Roseni)aum, Hendeuker V 97 
Rose, United States v 136 
Rowell V. Lindsay 290 
Ruckman v. liuckman. 225 
Runkle v. Citizens' Ins. Co. of 
Piltsburgh, Penn 143 
Samuel H. Crawford, The 906 
Schmcidcr v. liarney 150 
Schreiber v. Sharpless 178 
Schultz V. Mutual Life Ins. Co. 
of New York 672 
Schwartz, Marks v 727 
Schwed, Smith v 455 
Seventh Nat. Bank of Phila- 
delphia, Philadelpliia Trust, 
Safe Deposit &amp; ins. Co. v 114 
Shainwald v. Lewis 763, 766 
Sharpless, Schreiber v 175 
Short Cut,The 630 
Sill V. Solberg 468 
Singer Manuf 'g Co. v. liester. . 804 
Singer Manuf'g Co. v. Stanage. 279 
Slater, United i^tates v 824 
S. L. Goodal, The 639 
Smith, First Nat. Bank of Han- 
nibal, Mo. V 215 
Smith V. Cozzens 598 
Smith V. Mciriara 713, 903 
Smith V. Schwed 455 
Solberg, Sill v 468 
S. Shaw, The 93&lt;noinclude&gt;
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OASKS RKPORTED. 
Page 
Stanage, Singer Manuf g Co. v. 279 
Stanley V. Board of Sup'rs of Al- 
bany Co 561 
State of Indiana v. Baldwin .... 30 
Steere, Barnes v 661 
Steigerv. Third Nat. Bank.... 569 
Stevenson, In re 710 
Stevena v. B. &amp; O. R. Co 283 
Strafer v. Carr 466 
Straw Sewing Machine Co. v. 
Eames 181 
Strobridge v. Lindsay, Sterritt &amp; 
Co 510 
Sullivan V. An doe - .. 641 
Taylor v. 1ns. Co. of North 
America 410 
Texas Express Co. v. Interna- 
tional &amp; Great Northern U. 
Co 426 
Texas Express Co. v. Texas &amp; 
Pacific Ry. Co 426 
Texas &amp; Pacific Ry. Co. , Texas 
Express Co. v 426 
Third Nat. Bank, Steiger v. . . . 66!» 
Thornburg, United States v. . .. 41 
TofEey, BateRefrigeratingCo.v. 514 
Union Mut. Life 1ns. Co. v. The 
University of Chicago 443 
Union Paper Bag Machine Co. 
V. Atlas Bag Co 398 
United States v. Amsdem 819 
United States V. Baer 42 
United States v. Bixby 375 
United States v. Ceutral Nat. 
Bank of Philadelphia 134 
United States v. Conway 49 
United States v. Davis 682 
United States v. Duit 45 
United States v. Poster 247 
United States v. Gillespio 803 
United States v. M. &amp; L. R. R. 
Co 237 
United States v. Nat. Park Bank 
of New York 862 
Pag* 
United States V. Rose 136 
United StateS v. Slater 824 
United States v. Thornburg. ... 41 
United States V Veazie 867 
United States v. AVatkinds 152 
United States v. Wise 41 
United States v. Yates 861 
Univei'.sily of Chicago, Union 
Mut. Life Ins. Co. v 443 
Varv V. Norton 808 
Vea'zie, United States v 867 
Vesta, The 532 
Vetterlei n v. Barnes 693 
Viall. Barnesv 661 
Vogelei-, Douglass v 53 
Von Hofe, Putnam T 897 
Wald V. Wehl 163 
Walker, Chapin v 794 
Wallamet Iron Bridge Co., 
HatcL V 326, 780 
Walsh V. M., C. &amp; N. W. R. 
Co 797 
Waring V. Johnson 500 
Warner, Matthews v 461 
Waikinds, United States v 152 
Wear v. Mayer 658 
Wehl, Wald v 163 
Weld, Reed V 304 
Westphal v. Ludlow 348 
Wilbur V. Abbot 814, 817 
Wm. Murtagh, The, Worth v. . 192 
Wilson V. Coon 611 
Wilxon V. Winter 16 
Winona &amp; St. P. R. Co., Bar- 
ney V 802 
Winter, Wilson V 16 
Wise, United States v 41 
Worth V. The Wm. Murtagh. . . 192 
Yale Look Manuf'g Co. v. New 
Ilaven Bavings Bank 377 
Yale Lock Manuf'g Co. v. Nor- 
wich Nat. Bank 377 
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CASES REPORTED. 
Page 
Griswold v. Bragg 342 
Hall Railroad Signal Co., Elec- 
tric Railroad Signal Co. v 603 
New Haven Savings Bank, Y aie 
Lock Manuf g Co. v 377 
Norwich Nat. Bank, Yale Lock 
ManufgCo. V 377 
Yale Look Manuf g Co. v. New 
Haven Savings Bank 377 
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UiSTiiiCT Court, D. Cohnecticui. 
Niantic, The G32 
S. L. Goodal, The 539 
CiiiCDiT CouET, E. D. New Yoiik. 
Dodge, Kegester v. 
Regesterv. Dodge. 
District Court, E. D. New York. 
Bristol, The 638 
Galina,The 927 
Niagara, The 906 
Samuel H. Crawford, The 906 ' 
United States v. Yates 861 1 
Wm. Murtagh, The, Worth v. . 192 i 
Worth V. The Wm. Murtagh. . . 192 
Yates, United States v 861 
Circuit Court, N. D. New York. 
Albany City Nat. Bank v. Maher 417 
Board of Sup'rs of Albany Co., 
Stanley v 561 
Maher, Albany City Nat. Bank V. 417 
Stanley v. Board of Sup'rs of Al- 
bany Co 561 
District Court, N. D. New York. 
Doty V. Johnson 481 
Johnson, Doty v 481 
J. S. Woodward, The 636 
Circuit Court, S. D. New York. 
Baer, United States v 42 
Barnes, Vetterlein v 693 
Barney, Bchmeider v 150 
Boston Marine 1ns. Co., Lunt v. 562 
Boylston, Dare v 493 
Coiiwav, United States v 49 
Coon, tV ilson v 611 
Pag» 
Dare v. Boylston 493 
Duu', United States v 46 
Eames, Straw Sewing Machine 
Co. V 181 
Fischer v. Hayes 63, 76, 86 
Fischer v. Neil 89 
Fischer v. O'Shaughne.'isey .... 92 
Fox, Marks v 727 
Hayes, Fischer v.. 63, 76, 86 
Hendeeker v, Rosenbaum 97 
Hollender, Putnam v 882 
Hyde, In re 587 
In re Hydo 587 
In re Kina; 587 
Johnson, Waring v 500 
King, In re 587 
Lunt V. Boston Marine Ins. Co. 562 
Jlatd^aye v. Mallory 743 
Maliory, J^Iackare v 743 
Marks v. Fo.K. .&quot;. 727 
Marks v. Schwartz 727 
Mutual Life ins. Co. of New 
York, Schultz v 672 
Neil, Fischer v 89 
O'Shaughnessey, Fischer v 92 
Putnam v. Hollender 882 
Putnam v. Von Hofe 897 
Rosenbaum, Hendeeker v 97 
Sohineider v. Barney 150 
Schultz V. Mutual Life Ins. Co. 
ofNewYork 672 
Schwartz, Marks v 727 
Straw Sewing Machine Co. v. 
Earaes 181 
United States v. Baer 42 
United States v. Conway 49 
United States V. DufE 45 
Vetterlein v. Barnes 693 
Von Hofe, Putnam v 897 
Wald V. Wehl 163 
Waring v. Johnson 500 
Wehl, Wald V 163 
Wilson V. Coon 611 
District Court, S. D. New York. 
Delaware, The 195 
Hyde, In re 869 
In reHyde 869 
In re King 869 
In re Michel 706 
In re Mott 685 
King, In re 869 
Mariel, The 831 
Michel, In re 706 
Mott, In re 685 
National Park Bank of New 
York, United States v 852 
United States v. Nat. Park Bank 
of New York 852&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PrPTH CIECUIT. 
Page 
Circuit Court, N. D. Texas. 
International &amp; Great Northern 
R. Ce, Texas Express Co.v.. 426 
Blater, United States v 824 
Texas Express Co. v. Interna- 
tional &amp; Great Northern B. 
Co 426 
Texas Express Co. v. Texas &amp; 
Pacific Ry. Co 426 
Texas &amp; Pacific Ry. Ce, Texas 
Express Co. v 426 
United States v. Slater 824 
SIXTH CIRCUIT. 
Circuit Court, D. Kesttuokt. 
Arnold, Barlow v 351 
Barlow v, Arnold 351 
Blakemore v. Heyman 581 
Heyman, Blakemore v 681 
District Court, D. Kbniuokt. 
Charles Morgan, The 913 
Circuit Court, W. D. Michigan. 
Cunningham, Oliver v. 60 
Oliver v. Cunningham 60 
Circuit Court, W. D. Michegan, 
S. D. 
Claybourn,Howe Machine Co.v. 438 
Dudgeon, Mansfleld v 584 
Howe Machine Co. v. Claybourn 438 
Manslield v. Dudgeon 584 
Norton, Vary v 808 
Vary v. Norton 808 
District Court, E. D. Michigan. 
Lane, Ex parte 34 
Marine City, The.. 413 
Circuit Court, N. D. Ohio. 
First Nat. Banli of Youngstown 
V. Hughes 737 
Hughes, First Nat. Bank of 
&quot;i oungstown v 737 
Page 
Circuit Court, B. D. Ohio. 
Citizens' Ins. Co. of Pittshurgh, 
Penn., Runkle v 143 
City of Chillicothe, Page v 599 
Dawes v. Peebles ; . 856 
Hulbert, Latrobe v 209 
Latrobe v. Hulbert 209 
Page V. City of Chillicothe 599 
Peebles, Dawes v 856 
i Rose, United States v 136 
I Runkle v. Citizens' 1ns. Co. of 
! Pittsburgh, Penn 143 
United States v. Rose 136 
District Court, S. D. Ohio. 
Carr, Strafer v 466 
Cochran, Pence v 269 
Douglass V. Vogeler 63 
Pence v. Cochran 269 
Btraf er v. Carr 466 
Thornburg, United States v. . . . 41 
United States v. Thornburg. ... 41 
United States v. Wise 41 
Vogeler, Douglass v 63 
Wise, United States v 41 
Circuit Court. W. D. Tennessee. 
Memphis &amp; L. R. R. Co., United 
States v 237 
United States v. M. &amp; L. R. R. 
Co 237 
SEVENTH CIECUIT, 
Circuit Court, N. D. Illinois. 
Allerton v. City of Chicago .... 55S 
City of Chicago, Allerton v. . . . 556 
Union Mut. Life 1ns. Co. v. The 
University of Chicago 443 
University of Chicago, Union 
Mut. Life Ins. Co. v 443 
Circuit Court, D. Indiana. 
Baldwin, State of Indiana v. . . 30 
Brush, Nat. Bank of Rising 
Sun, Indiana v 132 
Fargo V. L., N. A. &amp; C. Ry. 
Co 787 
Isgrigg, Pickel v. . . . 676 
Louisville, N. A. &amp; C. Ry. Co., 
Fargo V 787&lt;noinclude&gt;
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XI 
Page 
National Bank of Rising Sun, 
Xndiana, v. Brush 132 
Pickel V. tsgrigg 676 
State of Indiana v. Baldwin .... 30 
District Court, D. Indiana. 
Amsden, United States v 819 
Bixby, United States v 375 
United States v. Amsdem 819 
United States v. Bixby 375 
CmctriT Court, B. D. Wisconsin. 
Parmers' Loan &amp; Trust Co. v. 
G. B. &amp; M. R. Co 100 
Green Bay&amp; Minn.R.Cc, Fann- 
ers' Loan &amp; Trust Coi v 100 
Lindsay, Rowell v 290 
Rowell V. Lindsay 290 
Ciecuit Court, W. D. Wisconsin. 
Comstock, Peck V 22 
Peck V. Comstock 22 
Sill V. Solberg 468 
Solberg, Sill v 468 
Wilson V. Winter. 16 
Winter, Wilson V 16 
District Court, W. D. WiscoNsm. 
Bromley, Main v 477 
Main v. Bromley 477 
EIGHTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, E. D. Akkansas. 
Chapin v. Walker 794 
Johnson V. Lewis 27 
Lewis, Johnson V 27 
Walker, Chapin v 794 
Circuit Court, D. Iowa. 
Burdick v. Peterson 840 
Chicago, B. &amp; Q. R. Ce, Pool v. 844 
Illinois Cent. R. Ce, Kaeiser v. 1 
In re Receivership of Iowa &amp; 
Minnesota Construction Co.. 799 
Kaeiser v. Illinois Cent, R. Co. 1 
Peterson, Burdick V. 840 
Poolv. C.,B. &amp;Q. R. Co 844 
Page 
Receivership of low» &amp; Minne- 
sota Construction Co., In re. . 799 
Cibccit Court, D. Minnesota. 
Barney v. W. &amp; St. P. R. Co. . . 802 
Ludlow, Westphal v 348 
Westphal v. Ludlow 348 
Winona &amp; St. P. R. Co., Bar- 
ney v 802 
District Court, D. Minnesota. 
Harwood, Oberteuifer v 828 
Obertcuffer v. Harwood 828 
Circuit Court, E. D. MissouBi. 
Broderick, Falls Wire Manuf'g 
Co. V 654 
Brown v. Deere, Mansur &amp; Co. . 
484, 487 
Chouteau, Hamilton v 339 
City of St. Louis v. The Knapp, 
Stout &amp; Co. Company 221 
Deere, Mansur &amp; Co., Brown v. 
484, 487 
Falls Wire Manuf'g Co. v. Bro- 
derick 654 
Gaines v. Hammond's Adm'r . . 449 
Green, Hutchinsonv 833 
Hamilton v. Chouteau 339 
Hammond's Adm'r, Gaines v.. 449 
Hutchinson v. Green 833 
Knapp, Stout &amp; Co. Company, 
City of St. Louis v 221 
Mayer, Wear v 658 
Memphis, C. &amp; N. W. R. Co., 
Walsh V 797 
Singer Manuf'g Co. v. Stanage. 279 
Stanage, Singer Manuf'g Co. v. 279 
Steiger v. Tliird Nat. Bank.... 569 
Third Nat. Bank, Steiger v. ... 669 
Walsh V. M., C. &amp; N. W. R. Co. 797 
Wear v. Mayer 668 
Circuit Court, W. D. Missouri, 
W. D. 
Hester, Singer Manuf'g Co. v. . 804 
Schwed, Smith v 455 
Singer Manuf'g Co. v. Hester.. 804 
Smith V. Schwed 456 
Circuit Court, D. Nbbbaska. 
Hyde, Knevals v 651 
Knevals V. Hyde 651&lt;noinclude&gt;
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proved as a ground of liability. This adoption of the new 
firm as the debtors, coupled with the omission during the 
life-time of the retired partner to indicate, by word or deed, 
the existence of a liability on his part for the debt in question, 
and coupled with the lapse of time that occurred before the 
liability of the retired partner's estate was asserted, appears 
to me to be sufficient, according to the requirements of the 
cases already cited, to justify the inference that the new firm 
was adopted as debtor with the intention that the liability 
of the firm was to stand in place of the liability of the old. 
In some of the adjudged cases less proof than is here pre- 
sented has been considered suflicient to warrant a similar 
inference. 
In Hart v. Alexander, 2 Mee. &amp; WelL 489, Follett, argueudo, 
says : &quot;If the crediter, by some positive act, adopts a new 
firm as his debtor, the retired partner is discharged.&quot; And 
Lord Abinger, in giving judgment, states as the resuit of the 
cases, that &quot;if a new partner comes in, and an account is 
accepted in which the new partner is made liable for the 
balance, that discbarges the old firm, as botb cannot be held 
liable at once for the same debt. &quot; 
In.Zw re Medical Invalid e General Life Assurance So- 
ciety, {Spencer's Case,) 24 L. T. E. 455, the circumstance that 
the new company and the customer had treated each other as 
insurer and insured, was held to be &quot;complete evidence of 
novation.&quot; 
In In re Smith; Knight e Ca., already cited, the case was 
made by the master of the roUs to turn upon. the question 
whether the company had been adopted as debtor. He says : 
&quot;I am of the'opinion there was an adoption of the company 
as the debtor, and that it cannot be treated otherwise. It is 
useless to go into cases, because it is admitted that very 
small things wiU do.&quot; The decision of the master of the roUs 
in that case was reversed by the court of appeal upon the 
ground that the circumstance from which the master of the 
rolls found that thore had been an adoption of the company 
as debtor was not sufficient to warrant that conclusion; but 
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Button at all to acknowledge the mortgage, but they and their 
sons all testify that they executed the mortgage at their son's 
house, in Augusta, on Sunday, July 7th. Campbell does net 
remember the day; but they all agree that defendants and 
Campbell went to Eau Claire on Monday, the 8th, and con- 
summated the loan by delivering the papers to Ellis for the 
plaintiff, and getting the money. Ellia testifies that he also 
was acting as agent for the defendants in getting the loan for 
them. 
So far as the question of aeknowledgement is concemed the 
defendants admit the acknowledgement under oath in their 
answer, and are, therefore, estopped from denying it on the 
trial. But they allege it was done on Sunday. Besides, I 
think the testimony of Button and Schroeder should b'e taken 
as conclusive that the acknowledgement was made on Mon- 
day, and I so find. 
■As to the time of the execution, as that rests wholly on the 
testimony of the defendants and their family, I think I must 
find that it was done on Sunday; and if that fact alone 
makes the mortgage void, then the plaintiff, who was in New 
Jersey, and entirely innocent of any knowledge of the fact of 
defendants breaking the Sunday law in Wisconsin, must suf- 
fer in their stead, while the defendants must be rewarded for 
their crime in the sum of $1,200 ready money. But I amnot 
ready to believe that such is the law. 
I think there is a general feeling among judges that the 
courts have gone quite far enough in holding con tracts void 
that have been entered into on Sunday. If the question 
were unadjudicated I would, for one, think it going far enough 
to hold that where the parties are mutually guilty, the court 
would not lend its aid to enforce a strictly executory contract 
entered into on Sunday ; but that when the contract is fully 
executed on one side, and the consideration passed, as in the 
borrowing of money or sale of and delivery of property, to 
require the defaulting party to restore the consideration and 
perform his agreement. According to some of the decisions, 
if I borrow a thousand dollars of my neighbor on Sunday, 
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are now too late to do it. They suffered the statute to purge 
the tax. proceedings of all defects, to raise the tax deed above 
impeachment. Their objections may be all well founded, but 
they came out of tirae. What the respondents might have 
said they cannot now say. The statute bas left them like 
one estopped to spea^ the truth, because they did nbt speak 
it when they might.' That bas been the construction uni- 
formly given by this court to the statute of limitations in 
relation to tax deeds. It bas been uniformly held in a mul- 
titude of cases that, as against the grantee of a tax deed, the 
statute puts at rest all objections against the validity of a 
tax proceeding, whether resting on mere irregularity or going 
to the groundwork of the tax. The statute makes a deed 
valid on its face prima facie evidence, as soon as executed, of 
the regularity of all proceedings from the assessment of the 
land inclusive to the execution of the deed, and the effeot of 
aU the decisions is that, when the statute bas run in favor of 
the grantee, the deed becomes conclusive to the same extent. 
The terms of the statute bar any action to recover possession 
of land sold and conveyed by deed for non-payment of taxes, 
and the leamed counsel for the respondent contends that to 
bring a tax deed within the statute the validity of the tax 
and of the sale must be established. Such a construction 
would go far to make the statute a dead letter. The statute 
was designed to protect things de facto, not things de jure. 
When there bas been an actual attempt, however defective in 
detail, to carry out a proper exercise of the taxing power, the 
statute applies; and the trouble with the argument is that 
in such a case, saving the instances excepted by the statute 
itself after the statute bas run, the tax deed itself oonclu- 
Bively establisbes the validity of the tax and of the sale.&quot; 
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The trust was constituted by a deed dated the fifteenth day 
of December, 1873, which was made between certain parties 
of the first part, styled &quot;the trustees,&quot; certain parties of the 
second part, called &quot;the committee,&quot; and certain parties of 
the third part, called &quot;the covenantees.&quot; 
The scheme contemplated subscriptions to raise a fund for 
the purpose of purchasing bonds of munioipalities within the 
United States. The bonds were to be purchased by &quot;the 
committee&quot; named in the deed, and placed in the possession 
of the banker of the trust by the trustees. Subscribers to the 
fund received certificates, payable to the bearer, which en- 
titled the holder to participate in the distribution of the 
profits and proceeds of the trust investments by a drawing 
in a mode set out in the deed, which, in some of its featurcs, 
closely resembled a lottery. The capital of the trust was fixed 
by the deed at £350,000. The committee of the trust pur- 
chased from Coler bonds, including those of Phillips county, 
valued at £217,550 12s. and lOd., for which he was paid in 
cash £135,000 12g. and lOd., and the remaining £82,555 
was paid him in certificates of the trust, which two witnesses 
testify were, at the time, par or a little under. The trust was 
not a corporation or joint-stock company or partnership, but 
a trust formed by deed of settlement for the purpose of secur- 
ing investments. The trustees were the legal owners of the 
trust property, and the business of the trust was managed by 
them and &quot;the committee&quot; oreated by the deed for the bene- 
fit of the certifieate holders, who were Etrangers to each other, 
and who entered into no contract between themselves, nor 
with any trustee on behalf of each other, and were not, there- 
fore, partners. 
It is a question whether this trust was not obnoxious to 
the provisions of the English companies act, 1862, and illegal. 
According to the opinion of the master of the rolls in Syke» 
V. Beadon, Solicitors' Journal, April 12, 1879, p. 464, it was; 
but in Smith v. Anderson, reported in London Times, July 
17, 1880, the court of appeal overrule Sykes v. Beadon. 
The question is not material in this case, for in any event 
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3. Objection is also taken upon the ground that the offence 
is charged to have been committed &quot;against the statuts in such 
case made and provided,&quot; and that there is no proof of any 
statuts in the province of , Ontario punishing the crime of 
forgery, It seems to have been formerly the law that where 
an pffenee was punishable at common law only, and yet the 
indictment averred it to have been done against the form of 
the statute, it should be quashed. Later authorities, how- 
ever, hold that this is mere surplusage, if the oSence be in 
fact a common-law crime. 1 Bishop on Criminal Proceed- 
ings, § 349. Whether a party could be extradited for a forgery 
under a special act of the province of Ontario, which was not 
a forgery at common law, it is unnecessary liere to determine. 
I have no doubt, however, that where the oSence committed 
is a forgery at common law, the foreign government has a 
right to take proceeJings for extradition. It may be safely 
asBumed that there is a provincial statute punishing the com- 
mon-law crime of forgery. If, however, the party were shown 
not to be guilty of a common-law forgery, it would be incum- 
bent upon the prosecution to show a statute covering the 
offence. 
4. The complaint is made upon information and belief, 
and in this respect I think it is fatally defeetive. The statute 
requires a complaint upon oath, and I think it is not satisfied 
by a simple allegation that the complainant is informed and 
believes the petitioner to have committed the offence, or, in 
the language of this complaint, that upon the &quot;best knowl- 
edge, information, and belief&quot; of complainant, defendant is 
guilty. A person may swear that he has reason to believe, 
and does believe, that a person has committed a crime, al- 
though his reasons may amount to little more than mere sus- 
picion, without laying himself open to a charge of perjury. 
This, however, is not a complaint upon oath, within the 
meaning of the statute. The personal liberty of a citizen 
ought not to be interfered with upon an allegation so loosely 
framed. It is very singular that there are so few cases in 
which the requirements of a proper complaint upon oath are&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/56</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697228</id>
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&quot;Section 83, Every person who shall desire it shall be per- 
mitted to swear in the following f orm : ' You do swear in the 
presence of the ever-living God;' and, while so swearing, 
such person may or may not hold up his hand, in his dis- 
cretion.&quot; 
The notary correctiy stated one form of oath prescribed by 
the statute, and he testified without objection that the form 
he gave was the only legal form, This evidence, coupled 
with his testimony that he is careful to use that form, and 
his certificate that the affidavit was sworn to, must have sat- 
isfied the jury that on this occasion he used that form. No 
other conclusion is consistent with the finding that an oath 
was taken, 
The question whether an oath would have been taken if a 
different form had been employed was not raised by the 
objection to the admission of the affidavit in evidence, and is 
not presented by the record. If the court had been requested 
to instruct the jury that in order to convict they must find 
that the notary used the words, &quot;in the presence of the ever- 
living God,&quot; and the request had been refused, such refusai 
would have raised the question that has been argued. But 
no such request was made. The case was allowed to go 
to the jury upon the evidence of the notary that there was 
but one legal form of administering an oath, and his testi- 
mony as to what, he did, His testimony was sufficient to 
warrant the jury m concluding that on the occasion in ques- 
tion he used the form descrlbed by him, and, the jury having 
60 found, their finding should not be disturbed. 
The motion is therefore denied. 
Blatchfobd, 0. J., and Choatb, D. J,, concurred.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/58</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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moves for a new trial. One ground of the motion is that 
error was committed: at' th'e trial in admitting secondary evi- 
dence of the contents of a letter sent to the accused, without 
proof of sufficient notice to produce the original. The case 
showB that the place of business of the accused was in Nassau 
street, near the place of trial. It was proved that notice to 
produce the original letter was served upon the defendant's 
attorney on the afternoon of the day before the trial, at 20 
minutes before 5 o'clock. The original not being produced, 
secondary evidence of its contents was admitted. In this 
there was no error. &quot;In town cases service of notice on the 
attorney on the evening before the trial is in general sufS- 
cient.&quot; 2 Kuss. on Crimes, 743. 
Another ground of the motion is that secondary evidence 
was permitted to be given of the address upon the envelope 
of the letter sent to the defendant, when the notice to produce 
did not specify the envelope. But the notice to produce de- 
SCribed the letter as enclosed in an envelope, and, we think, 
sufficiently indicated an intention to call for both the envel- 
ope and its enclosure. We also think that a notice to pro- 
duce a letter covers the envelope of the letter. 
It is further contended that the evidence was not sufficient 
to warrant the jury, in finding that the defendant deposited 
the lottery circular, because the eircular in question was sent 
in reply to a letter addressed to John Duflf &amp; Co., and there 
was no direct evidence that the defendant mailed it. 
But it was proved that the,, defendant was accustomed to 
use the name of John Duff &amp; ,C!o., and sold lottery tickets 
under that name. It was alao proved that the defendant 
personally received the lettei: which contained the order for 
the circul9.r ,in question,,and also money to pay for two lot- 
tery tickets. From these iacta it was competent for the jury 
to infer that the defendant, who received the order for the 
cirCular and the pay for the &quot;tickets, was the person who re- 
mitted the circular and tickets, especially when it appeared 
that the circular and tickets were ^^daressed to a fictitious 
name, known, so far as appeara, only to the defendant and 
the sender of the order. f ; ' .&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697234</id>
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While the marshal was removing his prisoner he was sur- 
roundecl by a crowd. A cane which he carried was seized 
hold of, and the escape of the prisoner was effected. The 
marshal, when deprived of his cane, drew from his pocket a 
pistol. The defendants, who were members of the municipal 
police, at once arrested him and removed him to a police 
station, where he was detained some four hours. Upon these 
faots the jury found the defendants guilty. They now apply 
for a new trial. The principal proposition argued in support 
of this application is that the court erred in not submitting to 
the jury the question whether the act of the marshal in draw- 
ing a pistol was not a breach of the peace. 
To this proposition one sufficient answer is that no request 
was made of the court to have such a question submitted to 
the jury. Another answer is that there was no- evidence suf- 
ficient to justify the jury in finding that the. act of the mar- 
shal in drawing his pistol was a breach of the peace. Still 
another answer is that, assuming the drawing of the pistol to 
have been a breach of the peace, nevertheless the arrest and 
removal of the marshal from the poUing place, under the eir- 
cumstances, was an offence against the laws of the United 
States. 
The statute under which the defendants were indicted 
makes it an offence for any person, whether with or without 
authority, power, or process from any state or municipality, 
to obstruot or hinder a deputy marshal in the performance of 
any duty required of him ■ by law. In this instance an of- 
fence against the laws of the United States, created by sec- 
tion 5511 of the Eevised S'tatutes, had apparently been eom- 
mitted by Shafer in the presence of Faser, the marshal. It 
thereupon became the duty of the marshal, by virtue of section 
2022, to arrest anfl take into custody the offender. Accord- 
ingly the marshal did arrest the offender, and, while engaged 
in maintaining custody of his prisoner, he was arrested by 
the defendants and removed from the pplling place. Bythe 
acts of the defendants, in arresting and removing the mar- 
shal, it was rendered impossible for him to maintain custody 
of his prisoner, or to regain that custody if the prisoner ;had&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/80</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697252</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135398</id>
      <parentid>8175004</parentid>
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ment.&quot; On the eleventh of May, 1880, the defendant sued 
ont a writ of error from the supreme court of the United 
States to reverse the said judgment convicting him of a con- 
tempt. The plaintiff moved in that court to dismiss said 
writ of error, and the supreme court dismissed it for want of 
jurisdiction on the twenty-ninth of November, 1880. The 
plaintiff now, on presenting to this court the mandate of the 
supreme court dismissing said writ, moves for an order that 
the said order of March 13, 1880, be carried into effect; and 
the defendant at the same time moves that the said order of 
Pebruary 17, 1880, and the said order of March 13, 1880, be 
declared inoperative and void, and of no efiect, or that the 
plaintiff be perpetually restrained and enjoined from any 
further action or proeeeding respecting the same. 
It is provided by section 725 of the Eevised Statutes that 
the courts of the United States shall have power to punish, 
&quot;by fine or imprisonment, at the discretion of the court, con- 
tempts of their authority : provided, that such power to pun- 
ish contempts shall not be construed to extend to any cases 
except the misbehavior of any person in their presence, or so 
near thereto as to obstruct the administration of justice, the 
misbehavior of any of the officers of said courts in their 
officiai transactions, and the disobedience or resistance by 
any such officer, or by any party, juror, witness, or other per- 
son, to any lawful writ, process, order, rule, deoree, or com- 
mand of the said courts.&quot; 
It is contended for the defendant that to render effectuai a 
judgment or order convicting a party of contempt, founded 
on his disobedience to an order of the court, three things 
must concur: (1) The order must be founded upon some 
legal or equitable right vested in the party at whose instance 
it is issued; (2) the order must be lawful and duly author- 
ized at the time it issues; (3) the disobedience to it must be 
wilful. 
It is well settled that contempt of court is a specifie crim- 
inal offence, and that the imposition of a fine for a contempt 
is a judgment in a criminal case. New Orleans v. Steam- 
ship Co. 20 Wall. 387, 392. Although there bas as yet been&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/90</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697262</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135408</id>
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FEDERAL REPORTER. 
The order dated March 19, 1880, but actually flled and 
entered March 25, 1880, made oa the defeudant's motion to 
dismiss the bill for the foregoing reasons, disposed of the 
foregoing questions. It was an order within the power of the 
court to make, in the exercise of its discretion, under rules 66 
and 69. The court could rightfully direct the replication 
filed and the proofs talcen to stand, as if the proceedings had 
severally been had within the times prescribed, as fully as if 
the order of the court to that effect had been made before 
taking such proceedings. The record shows that as full 
opportunity was given afterwards to the defendant to enter 
objections on the record to the proofs previously taken, and 
to cross-examiue the witnesses before examined, as if bis 
counsel had been present when they were taken, and that he 
availed himself of such opportunity. The order, through 
some oversight, does net show on its face that aifidavits were 
presented on the part of the plaintiff as a foundation for 
denying the defendant's motion and for granting the plaintiff 
the relief granted. Such affidavits are on file among the 
papers in the cause, and it clearly appears that they were 
presented and acted on by the court. Like affidavits were 
presented on like motions made at the same time in the case 
against Neil and the case against O'Shaughnessey and Simp- 
son, and those affidavits are recited in the orders made at the 
same time, of the same tenor, in those two cases. 
(2) As to the objections to the direct testimony of the wit- 
nesses MacClay and Abbott. These questions are disposed 
of in the decision on the separate motion of the defendant to 
strike out such testimony. 
(3) The bill charges that the defendant &quot;bas operated and 
used, and is still operating and using, in the city of New York, 
at No. 71 Eighth avenue, a machine or machines constructed 
in aceordance with and containing and embodying&quot; the in- 
vention secured by the patent. The objection is taken that 
the bill does not state what the defendant has made by the 
use of the machine, or that he has made comices with it. The 
patent grants to the plaintiff the exclusive right to use the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/108</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697280</id>
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      <id>15135297</id>
      <parentid>14644323</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:30:58Z</timestamp>
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point. His antagonist, denying the right to do this, objected 
to the offer; and in consequence of this disagreement the 
arbitration was abandoned. Viewed in the light of the testi- 
mony referred to, the proper interpretation of the paper is 
that Captain Bougher admitted liability for the loss sustained, 
but not the entire liability. This view is consistent with all 
he did. At the outset he asserted, on the information of his 
captain, that the Ajace was in fault; and he subsequently 
offered to prove it, — to show, as I must suppose, the extent 
of his liability. Thia liability depended, — the extent of it, 
(whether for the whole or a part only,) — on the conduct of 
the Ajace. No other interpretation of the paper is consist- 
ent with the conduct of Captain Bougher. If he did not 
intend to admit liability, he would not have agreed to con- 
fine the arbitration to the subject of damages; and if he 
intended to admit liability for the entire amount, he would 
not have insisted, when making the admission, that the Ajace 
was in fault, and immediately after, when the agreement was 
being carried out, have insisted on showing such fault. The 
onlyrational conclusion is that he intended to admit his own 
fault, and to hold the Ajace liable for hers. 
A decree will accordingly be entered for the libellant for 
one-half the damages sustained.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/110</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697282</id>
    <revision>
      <id>15135299</id>
      <parentid>8174267</parentid>
      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:31:00Z</timestamp>
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must take place, if at ail, under the act of March 3, 1875, 
(18 U. S. St. at Large, 470.) The only question that will be 
considered is as to time. By section 3 of that act the peti- 
tion for removal must be filed in the state court &quot;before or at 
the term at which said cause could be first tried, and before 
the trial, thereof.&quot; This provision applies to &quot;any suit men- 
tioned in&quot; section 2 of that act. Section 2 applies to &quot;any 
suit of a civil nature, at law or in equity, now pending or 
hereafter brought in any state court.&quot; This suit was pend- 
ing in the state court when the act of March 3, 1875, was 
approved. The petition for removal in this case was filed in 
the state court on the thirty-first of December, 1880. Not 
only was the petition for removal not filed before or at the 
term 'at which the cause could be first tried after March 3, 
1875, but it was. not filed before or at the term at which the 
cause was, in fact, first tried, nor was it filed before the trial 
of the cause. As applicaible to a case like the present, the 
words &quot;the trial&quot; must be read as if they were &quot;the first trial.&quot; 
In view of prior removal aots the words &quot;first trial&quot; have a 
special meaning, and the words &quot;the trial&quot; refer to the trial 
involved in the preceding words &quot;first trial.&quot; 
Under section 639 of the Eevised Statutes it was, as to 
cases under subdivisions 2 and 3 of that section, in sufficient 
time if the petition was filed &quot;at any time before the trial or 
final bearing&quot; of the suit. The act of July 27, 1866, (14 U. 
S. St. at Large, 306,) embodied in subdivision 2 of section 
639, used the words &quot;trial or final hearing.&quot; The act of 
March 2, 1867, (Id. 558,) embodied in subdivision 3 of sec- 
tion 639, used the words &quot;final hearing or trial.&quot; These last 
words were altered in the Eevised Statutes to read &quot;trial or 
final hearing.&quot; The words in the act of 1867 were passed 
upon by the supreme court in Ins. Co. v. Dunn, 19 Wall. 214, 
and it was held that the word &quot;final&quot; applied to &quot;trial&quot; as well 
as to &quot;hearing,&quot; and that under that act a suit at law could be 
removed by a petition filed at any time before its final trial, — 
that is, at any time before a trial final in the cause as it 
stood when the application for removal was raade, — and 
therefore that it could be removed after a verdict on a trial&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/114</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697287</id>
    <revision>
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      <timestamp>2025-06-14T22:31:01Z</timestamp>
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given to secure the payment oi certain issues of bonds, amount- 
ing in the aggregate to ■ $5,800,000. On the third day of 
April, 1879, a decree of foreclosure and sale of the mortgaged 
property was entered. On the tenth day of January, 1881, 
and but a few days before the sale under the decree of fore- 
3losure was advertised to talce place, Mary M. Kelly, a holder 
of bonds secured by one of the mortgages, filed a petition in 
eaid cause praying leave to file a bill of review for certain 
alleged errors and irregularitiea in the foreclosure proceed- 
ings; and the question has beau raised by demurrer to the 
petition, and argued and subnaitted, whether or not leave to 
file such a bill should be granted. The determination of peti- 
tioner's right to file a bill of review involves, therefore, a con- 
sideration of the contents of the petition in connection with 
such parts of the record in the foreclosure case as are brought 
into controversy by the allegations of the petition. 
As appears by the foreclosure decree, the original issue of 
bonds secured by the first mortgage was $3,200,000, and the 
issue of bonds secured by the second mortgage was $2,100,- 
000. 
The petitioner alleges herself to be the holder of second 
mortgage bonds amounting to $le,320, besides interest. The 
decree adjudges that &quot;of the said second mortgage bonds the 
sum of $850,260 was issued in exchange for interest coupons, 
due upon said first mortgage bonds, and is, with the interest 
due thereon, a lien imder the said first mortgage, and consti- 
tutes a part of the debt secured thereby ;&quot; and by the decree 
it is further adjudged and decreed &quot;that the entire amount of 
bonds secured by the said first mortgage la the sum of 
$4,050,260, being the amount of first mortgage bonds of 
$3,200,000, * * * and the said amount of $850,260 of 
second mortgage bonds issued as security for interest due on 
said first mortgage bonds. * * * That the entire amount 
of bonds outstanding and unpaid, secured by the said second 
mortgage, » * * jg the sum of $2,100,000, of which 
amount the sum of $850,200 was issued to secure past-due 
interest coupons on said first mortgage.&quot; 
Further provisions of the decree important to notice are,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/118</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697292</id>
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either of the mortgages; that in order to secure just and 
equitable bidding at the sale, the value of the bonds should 
be ascertained by proof, on reference to a^master before the 
sale, and that without such previous ascertainment of vable 
no bidder can know what amount of bonds or coupons he can 
pay on his bid. In the fi.rst place it may be remarked that 
the provision in question in the deoree ia similar to that 
inserted in railroad mortgage foreclosure decrees in this cir- 
cuit, as I am advised by the circuit judge, whom, for cer- 
tainty of information, I have consulted on the point. Obvi- 
ously, the vable of the bonds and coupons must depend on 
the value of the mortgaged property, and that value is best 
ascertainable by sale of the property. I do not see, there- 
fore, how it would be possible, or at least practicable, to 
determine the value of the bonds, or to determine what per- 
centage of value should be applied on the bid, before the sale 
transpires. There may be prior liens to be paid in the shape 
of intervening claims, and I cannot perceive how a proper 
and effectuai sale can be made, — if bonds are to be applied 
on the bid, — unless the court is permitted to fix the rate, 
after the sale is reported, at which bonds shall be received. 
And it would seem that an attempted ascertainment of value 
of the bonds, before the sale, for the purpose of fiiing the 
rate at which they may be applied on the bid, would be more 
likely to involve injustice, especially to small holders, than 
an ascertainment made subsequently, because before sale the 
only value susceptible of proof might be one merely nominal, 
while after the sale the value would be actually represented 
by a realized price. In this connection it is urged that the 
decree does- not determine what amount of bonds may be 
taken to apply on the bid, Whether it can be said, in strict- 
ness of definition, that the sale authorized by the decree is a 
cash sale or not, I think it is equivalent to that- The decree 
provides that $25,000 in cash shall be pa,id by the bidder at 
the tin^e of the sale; that after such payment the balance of 
the bid may he paid in bonds and coupons, or, as it is ex- 
pressed in another part of the decree j after the payment of 
«osts and expanses, etc., the rejuainder of the purchase money&lt;noinclude&gt;
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4. The petition alleges that the receiver in the foreclosure 
action bas filed a bill in this court, against D. M. Kelly and 
others, to set aside certain deeds of depot grounds, right of 
way, and other lands, ■which, it is claimed by the receiver, 
belong to the railroad company, and which, it is claimed by 
the defendants in said bill, belong to them ; that the right of 
the company to said property should be adjudicated in the 
foreclosure suit ; and that the title deeds thereof were of rec- 
ord before the bill in the foreclosure action was filed ; and it 
is further alleged in the petition that the said D. M. Kelly 
and others, who are defendants in the action brought by the 
receiver to settle the title of the lands in controversy in that 
action, were necessary parties in the foreclosure suit, and 
that without their presence in that suit their legal or equita- 
able rights to the lands cannot be eut ofif by the foreclosure 
decree, and a perfect title thereto given to the bidder at the 
foreclosure sale. 
I am Tjnable to see how the rights of the petitioner are 
injuriously affected by the facts thus alleged. It is apparent, 
from the allegations she makes, that D. M. Kelly and others 
are claiming the lands in question as their own under a title 
adverse to the railroad company. If they succeed in the litiga- 
tion with the receiver, they will hold the lands. If they fail, 
then it will resuit that the lands fall into the general mass of 
property covered by the mortgages, and the title will pass to 
the purchaser at foreclosure sale. Sueh a question of adverse 
title could not be litigated in the foreclosure suit ; and, more- 
over, the petitione^*, in my opinion, divests herself of ail 
right to make this objection to the decree and the foreclosure 
proceedings, because, in connection ,with her allegations on 
the subject, she denies that the lands in question are the 
property of the railroad company, and of course thereby infer- 
entiaily affirms the right and title to the lands of the defend- 
ants in the action brought by the receiver. 
6. But it is charged in the petition that the action to fore- 
close the mortgages in suit was fraudulently and collusively 
brought ; and in the consideration of this phase of the case it 
is necessary to take notice of the allegations of the petition.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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interests of the petitioner. But it is not perceived how or 
•wherein they could operate to her in jury; and, moreover, the 
trathfulness of those admissions is nowhere denied or ques- 
tioned in the present petition. 
I, have examined with care the cases cited by petitioner's 
counsel : Lord v. Veazie, 8 How. 251 ; Gaines v. Hennen, 24 
How. 55S ; Wood Paper Co. v. Heft, 8 Wall. 334; Cleveland 
T. Chamberlain, 1 Black, 419; and Forrest v. M., S., d L, Ry. 
Co. 65 Eng. Ch. Eep. 125. This opinion has been already 
extended to such length thati forbear to enter upon a review 
of those cases further than to say that I deem them upon 
tbeir facts, and in the prinoiples they involve, inapplicabk to 
the case at bar. 
6. Ineorporated in the petition is a copyof the bondholders* 
agreement and proposed plan of reorganization of the Green 
Bay &amp; Minnesota Eailroad Company, which, it is alleged, Blair 
and Dodge and their associates seek to consummate to the 
alleged detriment and injury of other bondholders and of stoek- 
holders. I have been somewhat at a loss to determine just the 
extent to which this extrinsic matter should be considered by 
the court as bearing upon the validity of the proceedings in 
the foreclosure suit, or as affording ground for the petitioner 
to file a bill of review. Certainly it can only be considered 
to the extent that the particular interests of the petitioner 
may be involved. The agreement appears to be a voluntary 
one, and ail holders of bonds, second as well as first mort- 
gage bonds, with certain stoekholders of the company, are 
permitted to participate in it. The provisions are such as, I 
believe, are usual in such agreements. The plan of reorgan- 
ization contemplates the issue of first and second mortgage 
bonds, and of preferred and common stock, by a new com- 
pany, and provides for the exchange, on certain terms and at 
certain rates, of bonds and stock of the old company for bond» 
and stock of the new. Such equality of footing as may ren- 
der secure the varions interests of the parties who may enter 
into the arrangement, appears to be accorded to different 
classes of bondholders and stoekholders; and on the whole, 
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it could be sold for that sum ; that it was making largo profits ; 
that he was willing to sell one-half his stock, being three- 
eighths of the mine, to Copelin for $225,000 cash, and the 
assumption by Copelin of three-eighths of the mortgage debt ; 
that Copelin's mind had become at this time niuch impaired 
and -weakened, so that he was incapable of managing his 
affairs intelligently, or comprehending the scope and effect of 
what he did, and was easily imposed on by the representa- 
tions and flattery of others; that between the fourth and 
tenth days of February, 1871, the defendant did, by persist- 
ent and repeated representations so made to Copelin, induce 
him to buy the stock at the price before mentioned, xna that 
an agreement for the purchase was made, which is copied 
intothe bill; that Copelin paid the $225,000, and $37,500 of 
the debts; that Copelin was not capable of understanding 
eyen a true representation, but the defendant in fact greatly 
overstated the value of the property ; that Copelin knew noth- 
ing of the property except what he learned from the defend- 
ant ; that the defendant knew, or had reason to believe, that 
Copelin was not of sound mind; that in November, 1873, 
Copelin was found by a jury to be of unsound mind ; and that 
in December, 1873, a guardian was appointed for him, who 
wrote to the defendant a letter rescinding the contract, and 
offering to return the stock. 
The prayer is that the defendant may answer without his 
oath, that the contract and oonveyance may be annulled, and 
the defendant be adjudged to pay the sum so receivedby 
him. 
The answer denies all the specifie allegations and charges 
concerning the state of mind of Copelin, and the defendant's 
knowledge thereof, and all the other facts relied on to show 
fraud or undue influence, and sets ont at much length the 
circumstances of the purchase of three-fourths of the mine by 
the defendant, and his sale of one-haK of his interest to 
Copelin; that the purpose and object of sale was in fact to 
procure the assistance of an able business man in Missouri; 
that Copelin was not known to him until this time, when he 
was introduced by a f riend as being such a business man ;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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aggregate his speculations were very considerable, and it is 
probable that his family became alarmed. A great deal of 
evidence has been given to show on the one hand the extrav- 
agant character of these transactions, and on the other that 
they were not extravagant. The net resuit to his family, I 
fear, was a great loss. 
In July, 1871, he went to Europe and traveled there some 
months for his health and recreation. In August, for the 
first time, a physician, expert in insanity, was consulted in 
JEdinburgh. He pronounced Copelin insane, and in his de- 
position, (vol. 1, p. 177,) being asked his opinion, formed at the 
date of that examination, as to the length of time Mr, Copelin 
had been laboring under the effects of this disease, he says : 
&quot;It is impossible to answer this question definitely. It may 
have existed a few months only, or a year or more. My 
opinion at the time. was that it had existed several months.&quot; 
Whether by several months he meant six months, which 
would carry it back to about the date of the purchase, I do 
not know. All the other experts were consulted much later, 
and the weight of their opihion, so far as they are willing to 
express it, appears to be that it was possible, but not v^y 
probable, that the disease had begun as early as February, 
1871. 
The business of Copelin was conducted as usual until af ter 
his return from Europe. In December, 1871, and January, 
1872, he resigned his several offices as president and director 
in the companies above mentioned. This may be taken as 
the time when he was found to be so clearly insane that the 
family and friends were obliged to make public admission of 
the fact. The three possible witnesses most competent to fix 
the exact dates — Copelin's wife, his mother-in-law, and his 
sister — have net been examined. 
Taking these promineiit and admitted facts into considera- 
tion, and reviewing the voluminous and detailed testimony in 
the record, I do not find it proved that Copelin was tion com- 
pas February 10, 1871, nor that he was incapable of ratify- 
ing a contract after that time, or of making a power of 
attorney in July, 1871. I think a jury would not be war-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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LowBLL, C. J. In this action at law a motion is made that 
the defendants be required to answer certain interrogatories, 
iiled in the clerk's office, in accordance with the practice of 
the state. Gen. St. c 129, §§ 46-57. The cheap and easy 
substitute for a bill of discovery, which was adopted in Mas- 
sachusetts in 1852, bas proved to be useful, and the question 
is whether it is now part of the practice of the circuit court, 
by Tirtue of Eev. St. § 914. Another statute of the state, 
of still grea ter value, and much older, but later than the yeftr 
1780, when -we first adopted the state practice, authorizes a 
court of law to appoint auditors in certain cases, and makes 
their report evidence. If these equitable powers, given to 
courts of common law, are not adopted, the circumstanoe is 
to be regretted ; but the question seems to be a very doubtful 
one. 
Speaking generally, the mothod of obtaining evidence to be 
used at a trial would be a part of the practice and modes of 
proceeding of the courts. It is so understood by congress, 
which gives the supreme court power to prescribe such modes 
of obtaining evidence and discovery as it may see fit, not in- 
consistent with any statute. Eev. St. § 917. This provision 
seems to me to weaken very much the argument so ably pre- 
sented by Judge Dyer in Eaaton v. Hodges, 7 Biss. 324, that 
the legislation of congress is intended to cover the whole sub- 
ject of evidence, and to exclude it from the domain of practice 
altogether. With much of that able opinion I agree, and I 
have no doubt that the decision in that case was sound. The 
adoption of the state practice is not intended to affect the 
courts of the United States, sitting in equity, in the slightest 
degree. There is no doubt that discovery is a branch of 
equity, and it follows that a cheap and easy substitute for a 
bill of discovery cannot take away the right of a suitor to file 
such a bill, if he is foolish enough to desire to do so. So of 
auditors : they are a convenient substitute for a bill in equity, 
and the power to appoint them in an action at law cannot 
deprive a plaintiff of the right to go into equity for an account. 
AU this being granted, I am of opinion that when the state 
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undoubted general current of the evidence, so that the court 
caia clearly see that they have acted nnder some mistake, or 
from Bome improper motive, hias, or feeling.&quot; And Justice 
Gurtis, saying in 1 Gurtis, 64 : &quot;I hold it to be my duty not 
ta interfere with the verdict of a jury as being against the 
evidence unless I can clearly see that the jury have uncon- 
sciously fallen iato some mistake, or been actuated by some 
improper motive, in rendering their verdict;&quot; And again 
saying, in 2 Curtis; 16 : &quot;Now, what I have to determine upoji 
this motion is -whether I can clearly see that the jury must 
have fallen into some important mistake, or must have de^ 
parted from some rule of la^, or have made deductions from 
the evidence which are plainly not warranted by it.&quot; 
, Now, recognizing as sound the rule of conduct deducible 
from these utteranees of Justices Story and Curtis, not to say 
prescribed by them, I am constrained to adjndge that, upon 
Ijhe ground firstly above stated, the said verdict should be set 
aside and a new trial granted; for I oannot but clearly see 
that the jury must have fallen into some important mistate, 
or must have departed from some rule of law, or have made 
deductions from the evidence which are plainly not warranted 
by it, and consequently cannot but sustain the motion. Had 
the verdict of the jury been simply for the defendant, without 
special mention of either of the two pleas in the case, it may 
be conceded there would have been no tenable ground for 
impeaehing it as against the evidence. The verdict would 
have been regarded as the resultant of the jury's delibera- 
tions upon ail the evidence submitted to them, and with their 
finding the court might well decline to intermeddle. But such» 
it is agreed, was not their verdict, &quot;We find for the de- 
fendant upon the general issue, and give no consideration to 
the special pleas,&quot; was in substance their verdict, which, with 
the assent of the'leamed counsel of the parties, the court not 
interposing, was affirmed and recorded in these words : &quot;In 
the above suit the jury find that the defendants are not guilty 
of the trespasses, or any part thereof, in manner and form as 
the plaintiffs have alleged in their declaration.&quot; And in view 
of these facts and this state of the record, the plaintiff now&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/152</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Blancke filed another mechanic's lien daim in the same 
office for $264.35, for materials furnished for the same build- 
ing from September 7 to December 30, 1 872 ; that a sum- 
mons was issued thereon March 15, and final judgment 
entered June 18, 1873. 
(8) That on the twenty-fourth of September, 1873, the 
premises in controversy were sold by the sheriff of the county 
of Union, under these lien judgments, to the plaintiflf in 
this suit for the consideration of $100, and a deed duly exe- 
cuted to him therefor. 
It will be perceived that both parties claim title to the 
land in dispute through Charles L. Sicher, — the defendant, 
under and through a deed from the United States marshal, 
given upon a sale of the property, under a decree of forfeiture 
and condemnation to the use of the United States, in the dis- 
trict court for New Jersey; and the plaintiff, under a deed 
from the sheriff of the county of Union, given upon a sale by 
virtue of two judgments upon lien claims in the circuit court 
of the county of Union. These facts present for considera- 
tion questions of great importance, and involve the construc- 
tioja of the acts of congress in regard to the forfeiture of real 
estate on account of violations of the internai revenue laws 
of the United States. I have carefully examined the several 
sections alleged to have been violated, in the information filed 
for the forfeiture and condemnation of the land and premises 
in dispute, and also the mechanic's lien law of the state of 
New Jersey, under the provisions of which the plaintiff claims 
to have derived his title, and will briefly state the conclu- 
sions of law to which I have arrived. 
I am of the opinion — 
(1) That while, possibly, by the phraseology of section M 
of the act of July 20, 1868, (which has been re-enacted in 
the Eev. St. § 3281,) only the right and interest of the owner 
of inculpated distillery premises can be condemned and for- 
feited,— 'no such limitation on the right of forfeiture is found 
in either section 7 (section 3260, Eev. St.) or section 19 (sec- 
tions 3303-5, Eev. St.) of the same act, under both of which 
the property in controversy was condemned by default, — and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/154</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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provisions of wMch the plaintiff claims to have acquired his 
title, requires, that the claim filed in the clerk's office of the 
county Bhall contain the name of the owner of the property 
at the time of filing, and that the summons issued to enforce 
the lien shall be against such ownerj as well as the builder; 
and that inasmuoh as the owner of the real estate in contro- 
versy is divestod of all his interest therein, and the title to 
the same vests in the United States at the time of the com 
mission of the act or acts which cause the forfaiture, it does 
not seem unreasonable that all subsequent proceedings by 
leinors to charge the property with the lien, should'be held 
inoperative and void against the United States, unless it 
were made a party to the proceedings as owner. 
4. But, whether this be so or not, I am of the opinion that 
nnder the proceedings iw rem, to give effect to the forfeiture, 
ail persons claiming liens against the res were notifled to 
come in and establish their liens; that after seizure by the 
marshal the property was in the possession of the court for 
that purpose; that whilst, by such proceedings, the lien upon 
the res was divested by the sale, it attached at once to the 
fund in court which was realized by the sale; and that the 
claimants mistook their remedy by going into the state courts 
to enforce their liens, and should have applied to the district 
court, where the property was, to be allowed to participate in 
the proceeds of its sale to the extent of their claims ; and that, 
if their failure so to do has resulted in their loss, no blame 
can attaoh to the government, which afforded them ample 
opportunity for a judieial consideration of their claims. 
Whether the liene attached to the premises, notwithstanding 
the forfeiture, it is notnecessary here to decide. The ques- 
tion was raised and disoussed by Judge Dillon in the case of 
the U. S. v; Macoy, 2 Bill. 299, and left by him unadjudi- 
cated. 
5. Entert-aining the foi^egoing view, I- am further of the 
opinion that the plaintiff is not entitled to recover in this suit, 
and tbaf a judgment must be entered for the defendant, with 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/162</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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SoHMEiDEB and others v. Barnet. 
(Oireuit Court, 8. E. New York. March 12, 1880.) 
1. Imports— Appkaisbp Value— Pbnal Dutt. 
If an invoice of Imported goods comprises several items of thesame 
liind and description, and one or more items are found to have been 
undervalued, the penal duty will be imposed upon all the items of the 
same kind and description, if the appralsed value exceeds by 10 per 
cent, the aggregate entered value of such items. 
2. Same— Ladibs' Dbess Goods— Classification. 
Ladies' dress goods do not constitute items of the same kind, within 
this raie, where they dlfl'er so much in priee, figures, and arrange- 
ment of colors as to be classlfied and known to the trade by different 
names. 
3. Same— CoREECTED Invoice— Valuatioit. 
The valuation of such importations should be made on the cor- 
rected invoice, received and accepted by the cuiieoior uel'ore the ap- 
praisement pf the goods. — [Ed. 
Almond W. Griswola, for plaintiffs. 
Tlumas Oreenwood, kss't U. S. Att'y, for defendant. 
, Shipman, D. J. In this case a verdict was directed for the 
plaintiffs, subject to the opinion of the court upon the ques- 
tions of law which are involved. I had intended to give the 
facts at length, but am not able to devote the neeessary time 
to that labor. There were 16 cases of worsted, and worsted 
and cotton, goods in the invoice. The goods ^were of six 
different styles, each style being distinguished by its peculiar 
name, such as Latona or Parthenia, and each class had it&amp; 
own value. I suppose that all the goods were ladies' dress 
goods. ; 
The corrected invoice was made and received before any 
appraisal, and was accepted by the collecter as the true in- 
voicey who also amended the plaintiffs' original entry to cor- 
respond with the corrected invoice. The appraisers did not 
advanee cases 2007 and. 2014, containing goods called 
Tilania, above the corrected invoice, and no additional duty 
was levied upon these cases. The advanee upon each of the 
other 14 cases was 10 per centum above the value of that 
stated in the original invoice, but was not 10 per centum.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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andisnot the averment of Albert Netter, and is made by way 
of recital only ; that the forms of the oaths to the schedules 
are such as to say that the schedules set forth only the as- 
sets and liabilitiea of Albert Netter; that there is no oath 
that any assets or liabilities of Gabriel Netter are given; that 
Albert Netter swears that the schedules are statements, the 
one of his debts and the other of his estate, and then signa 
as agent for Gabriel Netter ; and that theref ore the district 
court obtained no jurisdiction over the person or property of 
Gabriel Netter, and no power to adjudicate him a bankrupt, 
or to transfer his property to the plaintiff. In support of 
these objections, it is urged that section 5017 of the Eevised 
Statutes provides that the schedule of debts, and the inven- 
tory of the estate, must be verified by the oath of the peti- 
tioner ; that section 5014, in requiring a debtor to applyby peti- 
tion, requires that he shall sign the petition, or in person verify 
the schedule and inventory, so as to make it appear that he 
sanctions and authorizea the proceeding ; that when the stat- 
ute intends that a matter in bankruptcy shall be conducted 
by an agent, it is so prescribed; that section 12 of the Act of 
June 22, 1874, (18 U. S. St. at Large, 180,) provides for the 
signing and verifying of a petition in involuntary bankruptcy 
by an agent of a crediter, if the crediter does net reside in 
the district in which the petition ia to be filed ; that section 
5078 provides for the verifying of a proof of debt by an 
agent under specified circumstances and in a specified form; 
that section 6122 provides for the voluntary petition of a 
corporation by an officer of it, duly authorized as an agent 
to do so in a specified way ; that these provisions, in the 
absence of a provision for a voluntary petition by an individ- 
ual, to be signed or sworn to by an agent, show an intention 
that such a proceeding should not be lawf ul ; that, at least, 
express authprity for the signing or verification by the agent 
should be shown; that in partnership cases, in bankruptcy, 
where one partner refused to join in a petition made by the 
other partner, he is brought in by notice, through an order to 
show cause aerved upon him, and no jurisdiction over him or 
his estate can otherwise be acquired; that Albert Netter'?.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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review the adjudication. It is a collateral suit. Gabriel 
Netter does not raise the question. It doea not appear that he 
ever raised it in the bankruptcy court by asking to have the 
proceeding as to him vacated, on the ground that Albert Net- 
ter was not his agent. There can be no doubt that the bank- 
ruptcy court acquired jurisdiction of the case in respect to 
Gabriel Netter, and so in respect to the firm, although the 
petition was signed and verified on his behalf, and for him, 
and not by him personally. The prescription in varions 
other places in the statute as to how an agent shall do cer- 
tain acts in:bankruptcy matters, cannot be construed into a 
provision that the signing and verifying of a petition in vol- 
untary bankruptcy by an agent of the debtor, where the peti- 
tion purports to be the petition of the debtor, shall not be 
regarded as a suffieient signing and verifying by the debtor, 
so as to require it to be held, in a collateral action, that the 
court did not acquire Jurisdiction of the proceeding. 
Whether there was satisfactory evidence before the bank- 
ruptcy court that Albert Netter was the agent of Gabriel 
Netter, and authorized to present and sign the petition in 
the name and behalf of Gabriel Netter, and to verify it and 
the schedule and inventory on the behalf of Gabriel Netter, 
and whether the averments of the petition and the oaths as 
to the agency and authority, and the forms of the oaths in 
other respects, were adequate and suf&amp;cient to satisfy that 
court of the existence of the agency and authority, and of 
the formai sufficiency of the petition and oaths, were ques- 
tions exclusively for the consideration of the bankruptcy 
court, and cannot be reviewed in this suit. There were in 
the petition, and in the signatures to it, and in the oaths, 
and in the signatures to them, such averments and state- 
ments as to the fact that Albert Netter was the agent of and 
the attorney in fact for Gabriel Netter, as authorized the 
bankruptcy court to exercise its judgment as to whether it 
was satisfied of the existence of such agency and attorney- 
ship, and to determine that it was so satisfied, if it was so 
satisfied. Being so authorized and having so determined, it 
must be held to have had jurisdiction of the case; and ita&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/182</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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In re Ekings, Bankrupt. 
(District Court, D. New Jersey. February 23, 1881.) 
1. BAMKHtrpTCY — Pkoofs of Dbbt— Dischaege— Act of Junb 22, 1874, 
Proofs of debt, flled -with the regiater after the application of the 
bankrupt for his discharge, should be counted, under the provisions 
of section 9 of the amendaient of June 22, 1874, in ascertaining the 
assent of one-third in number and one-fourth in value of the bank- 
rupt's creditors. 
2. Same— Pbctiniakt Considebation— Discharge, 
A promise by a bankrupt to pay his creditor &quot; all he ever owed him 
when he got able,&quot; upon condition that he would assent to his dis- 
charge, constitutes 'a pecuniary consideration or obligation sufflcient 
to defeat the right of the bankrupt to a dischargo. 
8. CONTRACT— CONSIDEEATION— MOBAL OBLIGATION. 
A moral obligation to pay a debt constitutes a sufflcient considera- 
tion to support a paroi promise at common law. — [Ed. 
Specifications against Discharge. 
. Thomas D. Hoxaey, for bankrupt, 
H. A. Williams, for creditors. 
Nixon, D. J. Yarious specifications are filed against the 
discharge of the bankrupt, but when explained they all seem 
to revolve around the methods resorted to, and the expedients 
adopted by his attorney to procure the requisite one-fourth of 
his creditors in number, and one-third in value, to consent to 
the discharge. The application for the discharge was filed 
June 17, 1879, and the order upon the creditors to show 
cause why the same should not be granted was returnable on 
the twenty -second of July following. On the day before the 
return of the same, to-wit, on the twenty-first of July, four 
new proofs of claim were made and filed with the register : 
(1) One by John C. G. Kobertson, who had already put in a 
proof for upwards of $1,200, and who now proved an addi- 
tional claim for $300, consisting of two promissory notes and 
a check, which had been procured without consideration from 
some faithless creditors, who had not deemed them worth the 
expense of proving ; (2) one by Joseph Parker, the father-in- 
law of the bankrupt, and who paid one Thomas Beverage $25&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/186</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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right belweeu me and my jmst oreditors,&quot; The court, speak- 
ing by Mr. Justice Hunt, said that the debt, having been dis- 
charged by the discharge: of the debtor, was not renewed by 
such expressions ; that the law required an absolute or con- 
ditional promise to pay; but, in either case, it must be une- 
quivocal. 
the other promise of the bankrupt is unequivocal, although 
conditional. The crediter was asked ': Question 2 70 . &quot;Did he 
(the bankrupt) say how he would manifest his gratitude for 
it?&quot; (i. e., for proving the debt and giving the consent.) 
Answer. &quot;By paying me ail he ever owed me when he got 
able.&quot; Such a condititional promise has always been held 
' to be binding when proof is made of the ability of the bank- 
rupt to pay. Freeman v. Fenton, Cow. 544 ; Besford v. San- 
ders, 2 H. Black. 116; Fleming v. Hayne, 1 Star. 370; Scon- 
ton V. Eislord, 7 John. 36; Maxim v. Morse, 8 Mass. 127; 
Corliss V. Sheppard, 28 Me. 550; Kingston v. Wharton, 2 S. &amp; 
E. 208 ; James on Bank. 146. 
Kingston v. Wharton, supra, was quite like the case under 
consideration. The plaintiff in the suit was an indorser 
upon the note of the bankrupt. On the twenty-ninth of De- 
cember, 1800, the debtor wrote to him asking him to take up 
the note at maturity, and declaring, &quot;The moment I am able 
to relieve ybu, I will.&quot; The note fell due Pebruary 13, 1801, 
was protested and paid by the plaintiff. A commission of 
bankruptcy was issued against the defendant Maroh 16, 1801, 
under which he was declared a bankrupt, and on the twenty- 
sixth of May, folio wing, he obtained his discharge. The action 
was founded upon a promise to pay when the debtor should 
be able. The letter was treated by the court as a promise 
made by the debtor to induce the crediter not to oppose his 
discharge, and such promise was held to be good. The debt, 
notwithstanding the discharge, remained due in conscience. 
The moral obligation to pay still existed, and was a sufScient 
consideration to support the promise. Stress was laid upon 
the fact that in England it required an act of parliament 
(5 Geo. II, c. 30, § 11,) toavoid a promise by the bankrupt 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/192</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ants pray to have the Bame benefit of these facts as if they 
had been pleaded in bar. The plaintiffs except to the an- 
Bwer on the ground that this releaae, if given precisely as it 
is arorred to have been given, is insufficient in law to bar the 
plaintiffs' suit. 
A substantive defence, not responsive to the plaintiffs' 
inquiry in bis bill, is not the subject of exception. That 
form of objection applies only to an insufficient discovery, or 
to scandai and impertinence. 
The plaintiffs intende d by their exceptions to procure a 
hearing upon the validity of this defence as if it were a plea 
and they had set it down. But it is not a plea. It is part 
of the answer, and is merely one of several defences. By the 
thirty-ninth rule in equity a defendant may make a plea part 
of bis answer, and, if he does so, be shall not be compellable 
to answer more, or otherwise, than if he had oled a regular 
plea. The defendants have taken no advantage of this rule ; 
they have answered the whole bill fully ; and their request to 
have the same advantage as if they had pleaded the release, 
bas no meaning. As it stands, it is, as I have said, one sub- 
stantive defence not used by way of plea at ail, but by way 
of alternative answer. It stands precisely like the defence of 
the statute of limitations, which they also rely on in another 
part of their answer, and which they might have used by way 
of plea or demurrer. 
Whether the court may not have power to hear such a de- 
fence before requiring the whole case to be gone into, is not 
now the question. There is no regular authorized mode of 
pleading, like a demurrer, to test the legal validity of part of 
an answer; but possibly, on motion, some order might be 
taken to dispose of part of a case in the first instance, if it 
should be found that groat delay and expense might thereby 
be avoided. I do not decide tba^ point. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/194</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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large scale the roller over which a piece of brald is to be fed, 
and illustrating -some of the varieties of stitch that may be 
made bj the use of my improvements. Braids of straw, etc., 
are usually sewed together by hand. The stitch comraonly 
employed is a long one, and of sueh a charaeter that little or 
none of the thread appears upon what is usually termed 
the right side; and sewing machines without my improvements 
■ wrepractically uselessfor the purpose, as all of them that I know 
of seiv a seam shoiving upon the right side a thread reaching from 
needle-puncture to needle-puncture, the whole length of the seam. 
My improrements are applicable, under certain changes of 
form, to most, ifnot ail, of the sewing machines now in use, and 
making different varieties of stitch, the precise method of con- 
forming the loops of upper thread, passed through the goods 
by an eye-pointed piercing needle, being immaterial so far as 
the sewing of straw is concerned ; but I have experimented 
chiefly upon shuttle machines, and reduced my invention to 
practice on such a machine, and have, in the drawings, shown 
my improvements as applied to, and acting in combination 
with, a Singer shuttle machine with a transverse shuttle. 
These and other sewing machines are so well known in the 
market, and to manufacturers and workmen, that any detailed 
description of the construction or operation thereof is deemed 
unnecessary. [My] The nature of my invention consists [of 
certain combinations of mechanical devices which are set 
forth in the claims at the close of this specification.] first, in 
the combination of a roUer, or its equivalent, with the needle of a 
sewing machine and thefeeding apparatus thereof, when the three 
are arranged and act in combination with each other, substantially 
as specified ; and, also, in the conibination, with a sewing -machine 
needle and a roller or bending 8ttrface,of a contrivance forguid- 
ing the needle itself at some points above the material being sewed, 
thu» forcing the needle to pierce a proper distance from the 
roller, as hereinafter tet forth. And my invention also consists in 
combining with a sewing-machine needle and a roUer, or its equiv- 
alent, for mahin0 a.turn or bend in braid to be sewed, a vibrating 
needle-guide, or proper apparatus for vibrating a needle, the 
operation being to cause the needle to pierce braid nearer to, or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/196</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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of a number of pieces already stitched together, is to be in- 
troduced under the presser-foot, (see fig. 2,) and another piece 
of braid is to be passed under the bar, e', and thence over and 
under roUer e. If e be properly set with reference to the 
needb [Jhe latter] it will pass into the upper braid, out of it 
again on the same side that it entered, and thence through 
the lower one, (see fig. 3,) and its thread may appear on the 
upper surface, as in fig. 6, at w,- or, if the braid be thick or 
the roller further from the needle, the thread n?.ay not appear 
at all on the upper surface, but assume a position as shown 
at w, fig. 4 [.] ; and when [When] the loop [of needle-thread] 
has been secured below the lower braid, and the needle bas 
risen out of both pieces, then the feed will advance both 
braids, and in so doing will oarry the upper one over the bond- 
ing roller, so that it may be pierced at a different spot on the 
next descent of the needle, the feed and roller, by their com- 
bined action, presenting the upper braid properly. The oper- 
ation would not, however, be as certain as desirable, owing to 
the springing of the needle [by the glancing of its point from 
the bent surface of the braid.] I therefora aet the needle so 
that it will not pierce the upper piece of braid at all, unless it is 
bent or sprvng over towards the roller on its descent, and apply 
to the presser-foot, or other convenient support, a guide, such 
as /, which springs the needle over towards the roUer when the 
needle point enters the guide. A bent pioce of metal, with a 
conical hole in it, or a simple surface standing nearly upright, 
but inclining away from the needle at its upper edge, anawers 
the purpose [of such guide] will. The guide [/] shown in 
the drawings has two surfaces meeting at an angle or apex 
through which the needle passes. By means of this addition 
the needle is forced to pierce in the desired line, and the 
operation of sewing is rendered certain. The loops of needle- 
thread passed through the lower braid are to be confined by 
a shuttle-thread, as shown in the drawings, or by a looped 
thread, as in the Grover &amp; Baker stitch machines, or by a loop 
of the upper thread, as in crochet machines, and the stitch is 
drawn tight when it bas passed, or just as it is passing away, 
from the roller. As the seam is stronger when the needle-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Choate, D. J. This is a suit to recover damages sustained 
by the libellant's canal-boat, the H. B. Moore, resulting from 
a collision with the steam-boat Delaware, on the thirtieth day 
of July, 1879. The Delaware is a large side-wheel steam 
ferry-boat, of the Pavonia line, and was on her trip from 
New York to the Pavonia ferry, Jersey City, and the collision 
took place just off the mouth of the ferry slip, on the Jersey 
City side, a little after 3 o'clock in the morning. The weather 
was fine and clear, and lights could be plainly seen. The 
libellant's canal-boat and another canal-boat, the Gibbes, 
both loaded with wheat, were taken in tow by the steam-tug 
Mississquoi at the grain dock, or pier No. 8, which is about 
800 feet to the northward of the ferry slip in Jersey City. 
Both the canal-boats were made fast on the starboard side of 
the tug. The tug having made the Gibbes fast along-side 
got a line on the H. B. Moore and hauled her ont into the 
river, and there made her fast along-side the Gibbes. The 
Gibbes projected forward of the tug, and the H, B. Moore a 
little forward of the Gibbes. The tug backed out and up the 
river in getting the H. B. Moore along-side. The canal-boats 
were bound for the Cunard dock, on the Jersey side of the 
river, below the ferry, and before the tug got straightened 
down the river she had drifted a short distance down stream. 
The tide was ebb along the docks on the Jersey shore, but 
the current was very slight. After getting straightened down 
the tug started down the river. 
The testimony on the part of the libellant is that after get- 
ting started down the river under two bells, and when they had 
attained a speed of two or three miles an hour, the pilot of the 
tug saw the ferry-boat coming aeross the river heading about 
for the tug — that is, to the northward of the ferry slip to which 
she was bound; that the tug gave her one whistle to indicate 
that she would pass to the right of the ferry-boat — that is, cross 
her bow before the ferry-boat entered her slip. The testimony 
on both sides is that as the tide was that morning, in her usual 
course from slip to slip, before the ferry-boat gets headed for 
her slip she does head further to the northward, pointing 
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(6) A lot of land at the north-east corner of Chestnut 
Street and Newton avenue, triangle, by deed dated October 
26, 1876; sold as the property of Mary M. Douglas, for the 
term of two years, for $18.71, for taxes, etc., due for the 
year 1874. This appears to be the same lot as No. 4, above 
described. 
(7) Three frame houses and lots of land, situate at Nos. 
1020, 1022, and 1024 Newton avenue, by deed dated Novem- 
ber 29, 1872; sold as the property of Mary M. Douglas, for 
the termof one year, for $36.90, due for taxes, etc., in 1871. 
(8) The same lots lastly described, by deed dated March 
27, 1873; sold as the property of Mary M. Douglas, for the 
terni of 300 years, for the sum of $17.40, the amount due on 
assessment for culvert in 1870. 
(9) The same lots, by deed dated October 26, 1876, again 
Bold as the property of Mary M. Douglas, for the term of two 
years, for $36.29, amount of taxes, etc., in 1874. 
(10) A lot of land on the west side of Broadway, 40 feet 
north of Chestnut street, being 98 feet in front and 60 feet in 
depth, by deed dated January 2, 1873 ; sold as the property 
of Mary M. Douglas, for the term of 90 years, for $41.25, 
taxes assessed for the year 1871 ; and again sold October 26, 
1876, as the complainant's, for the term of two years, for 
$40.31, amount of taxes, etc, for the year 1S74. 
The defendant further claims that he has paid for taxes and 
assessments, on the several lots thus held by him, as follows : 
On the twelfth of January, 1874, to A. Hugg, city solieitor, 
$32.77, for taxes on the lots described above, in No. 7, for the 
year 1872 ; and on the twenty-first of January, 1874, the fur- 
ther sum of $4.30, for culvert assessment. On the first of 
August, 1S74, to A. C, Jackson, receiver of taxes, $21.84, the 
taxes on Nos. 1 and 2 for 1874, less 5 per cent, for prompt 
pajment; and on the twenty-second of September, 1874, to 
A. Hugg, city solieitor, the further sum of $36.77, the taxes 
assessed on the same property in 1873. On the twelfth of 
January, 1874, to A. Hugg, city solieitor, $36.56, for taxes, 
etc., for 1872, on the above-described lot in No. 10. On the 
twelfth of January, 1876, to A. Hugg, city soliciter, $17.59,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/262</title>
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ion, signed by the judge of the corporation court of Manches- 
ter, to the effect that such receipts were not genuine unless 
signed by the state auditor, John E. Massey, himself. It was 
also proved that the judges of election rejected the votes of 
the persons in question on the additional ground that the 
taxes had not been paid by the persons offering to vote, but 
had been paid by some one for them, and that although the 
taxes were paid, yet, the payment being made contrary to the 
law of the state quoted above, the votes could not be re- 
ceived. 
No proof was addueed by the prosecution, other than the 
foregoing, to show a wrongful animun or intent on the part 
of the defendants in rejecting the votes of the 13 persons 
named in the indiotment. 
Counsel on either side submitted the case ■without airgur 
ment to the jury, with the understanding that the court 
would instruct the jury on the points of law involved, which 
the court did orally, but in substance as followS: 
L. L. Lewis, U. S. Att'y, for prosecution. 
George D. Wise and A. M. Keiley, ioi defendants. 
Hughes, D. J., (charging jv/ry .) This case is important as 
affording an opportunity for a judieial construction of the 
election laws upon the somewhat difficult questions arising on 
the evidence before us. This is the only manner in which a 
court of justice can conoern itself with elections. Their 
office is to try and pass upon controversies between parties ; 
either between the government and accused persons in crim- 
inal causes, or between one person and another in civil 
causes. A court of justice can regularly have to do only 
■with causes inter partes. AU its forms and proceedings lead 
to an issue of fact or law, or both, between lUigants; and its 
function consists in deciding such issues. As incidental to 
this function it may grant injunctions and restraining oi'ders 
for proteeting property in controversy or the rights of liti- 
gants ; and it may issue writs of haheas corpus as a means of 
asceriaining whether a person in confinement is lawfuUj 
ooiifined upon a criminal charge. But these powers and pro 
cesses are only incidental to its chief and principal office oi&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/266</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that fact, he becomes a qualified voter. If it is paid for liim 
by another, not in the way of a bribe, and without any un- 
derstanding, express or implied, that he is to vote for a par- 
ticular candidate, then the payment is legal and in every 
way proper. If it is paid as a bribe, or with an understand- 
ing, express or implied, that he is to vote for a particular 
candidate, then he commits an offence punishable by a $20 
fine, for which he may be prosecuted; and that is the only 
penalty which the law visits upon the act : it does not inval- 
idate the vote or re-impQge the disqualification of the voter. 
And 80, if the taxes of these men had been paid, whether 
in violation of law or not in violation of law, the right to 
vote attached to them on such payment of the tax, and their 
votes should of right have been received. Judges of election 
have nothing to do with penal laws. They are not at liber ty 
to suspect, as to a citizen who pleads that his tax has been 
paid, that another person has paid it for him ; to try him 
summarily under a penal statute, which condemns him only 
in a penalty of a $20 fine, and to eonvict and sentence him to 
the different penalty of being disqualified from voting ; acting 
in the space of five minutes as prosecutor, judge, and jury. 
This would be a revival of star-chamber methods, and is re- 
pugnant to ail our American ideas of free government and 
civil liberty. 
I therefore instruct you, gentlemen, that these receipts 
were sufficient evidence of the payment of the taxes of the 
men named in them ; that these men became thereby qual- 
ified to vote on the receipts, whether the law of 1878 had 
been violated or not ; and that, even if the law had in fact 
been violated, such violation only subjected the parties to the 
offence to a fine of $20, triable and punishable by a court of 
justice, and not to disfranchisement by these judges of election ; 
for the violation did not re-impose the disqualification which 
)iad existed before the tax had been paid. 
I have thus disposed of the principal question in this case, 
to-wit, whether the persons named in the indictment as hav- 
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6t appraisement on both of them set aside within six months, 
or such other time as that law required;&quot; and the sixth 
assignment of error was &quot;because the execution on the judg- 
ment of the Lebanon Bank was not levied on the mortgaged 
premises '-which were sold, nor any other of the defendant 
Ferguson's property, within one year after the rendition of 
said judgment, according to the provisions of the laws of Ohio 
at that time in force, and particularly of the statute of Feb- 
ruary, 1824.&quot; From this it appears that the question of 
there being a levy upon other property was brought directly 
before the court, and the record, therefore, shows clearly that 
the question was considered, and it was the fact in the case 
upon which the decision was based. The supreme court in 
that case says that they decided the following points : 
&quot;First, to take a case out of the operation of the seven- 
teenth section, (now 5415,) a levy must have been made 
on the property in question within a year after the rendi- 
tion of the judgment. A levy on other property, though 
within the year, will not save the lien as to the property 
not levied upon. Second, if there are several judgments, and 
the property in. question bas not been levied upon within the 
year under either of them, they stand on an equal footing, 
and the judgment crediter who iirst takes out execution and 
causes a levy to be made will. have the preference. Third, 
if execution on an older judgment bas not been levied upon 
a particular piece of property within the year, and an execu- 
tion upon a junior judgment has been levied upon that prop- 
erty within the year, the junior judgment must have the 
preference, aJthough a levy may have been made on the same 
property under the older judgment before the levy was made 
on the junior judgment. The lien of the junior judgment on 
ail the property not levied upon under the older judgment 
within the year must continue from one year from its date to 
the exclusion of the older judgment, provided the junior judg- 
ment was rendered before the levy was made on the older 
judgment. A levy on the older judgment, though after the 
year, if made before the date of the junior judgment, will baye 
the preference.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/288</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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rights of the parties must be determined as of the date of the 
adjudication of bankruptcy. Scott v. Dunn, 26 Ohio St. 63. 
At that date the judgment of Brown county, as to the prop- 
«rty in controversy, had lost its lien as against the judgments 
of Dunn and Moore, more than one year having elapsed since 
its rendition; but less than one year having elapsed since 
the rendition of the judgment in favor of James H. Dunn, it 
had not lost its lien as against the judgment in favor of E. 
C Moore, and, there having been no levy under either of the 
latter judgments, they must be paid in the order of their ren- 
dition — first the judgment of James H. Dunn, and second 
that of E. C. Moore. 
In re A. H, English &amp; Co., Bankrupts. 
(District Court, W. D. Pennaylvania. March 12, 1881,) 
1. Statutbs op Limitation — Rembdt. 
Statutes of limitation operate upon the remedy, not the title. 
2. Bame— Assignes in Bankruptcy— Bev. St. } 6057. 
An assignee in bankruptcy is not precluded f rom def ending against a 
daim by the wife of the bankrupt for a copyright royalty upon the 
ground that the copyright was transferred to her by her husband in 
fraud of his creditora, because he did not, within the two years lim- 
ited by section 5057 of the Revised Statutes, proceed by suit to recover 
the copyright or have the transfer set aside. 
In Bankruptcy. Sur raie on A. B. Hay, Esq., assignee, 
to show cause why a copyright royal ty should not be paid to 
Mrs. Emily English, trustee of Lueius Osgood English. 
Knox e Reed, for Mrs, B. English. 
A. B. Hay, for assignee. 
AcHEsoM, D, J. Among the effects of the bankrupts which 
came into the hands of the assignee was a stock of school- 
bookfi, which he sold pursuant to an order of court made upon 
his petition. No lien is specified in the petition or order other 
than the lien of one Hart for printing and binding part of 
the books. But just before the sale the assignee procured an&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/296</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697473</id>
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brakes. The original patent expired in 1865, and was ex- 
tended for seven years, terminating the twenty-fifth of No- 
vember, 1872. At the November term, 1872, this court, 
{Oilcs, 1.,) sustained the validity of the patent, and decided 
that the defendant had infringed, and these cases went to the 
master, (Eobert Lyon Eogers, Esq.,) to state an account of 
gains and profits, and to assess damages. On this account- 
ing the parties have examined witnesses at great length 
during a period of some six years, and the master, in Novem- 
ber, 1880, filed his reports in ail three cases, together with 
thetestimony (which is contained in two large printed books) 
on which he based his findings. 
The master reports the number of cars on which, in each 
year, the defendant used the complainants' patent, commonly 
known as the &quot;Stevens&quot; brake, and reports that hefindsfrom 
the testimony that 'the defendant did derive savings and ad- 
vantages in the use of the &quot;Stevens&quot; brake over what it would 
have derived from the use of any other similar device open to 
the public. 
The master further reports that he finds that the savings 
and advantages which so accrued to the defendant from such 
use, amounted to $30 per car per year and at that rate he 
finds the gains and profits which the complainants are enti- 
tled to recover, amounting in the aggregate to $102,480. 
He further reports that during the period covered by two of 
the suits, viz., from 1857 to the expiration of the patent, 
he finds that the complainants had established a license fee 
of $25 per year per car for the use of the patent, and, assum- 
ing the license fee as the measure of complainants' damage, he 
assesses the damages at that rate in those two cases. But 
he reports that he finds no satisfactory evidence that any 
license fee was established during the period covered by one 
of the suits, viz., from 1853 to 1857, and, findingno evidence 
from which he can eompute the damages, he finds none for 
that period. 
The &quot;Stevens&quot; brake was used by the defendant onits pas- 
senger cars, and the number on which it was bo used, as 
reported by the master is not disputed; but exceptions have&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/327</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697505</id>
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Bradford, D. J. The libellants were shipped on board 
said Bchooner at the port of Philadelphia, on the Delaware, 
thence &quot;bound ffom said port to the Delaware break-water, 
and waters tributary to the Delaware river and coast of Mary- 
land and New Jersey, to be engagea in wrecking, and back to 
Philadelphia, for a term of six months,&quot; as set forth in the 
fihipping articles produced in evidence. It appears from the ev- 
idence they were all foreigners, and but imperfectly acquainted 
with the English language, and could neither read nor write the 
same. It also further appears by the evidence of the ship- 
ping master, Wilson, and by the testimony of the respondent 
Lubker himself, that the articles were explained to the men 
by said Lubker and Wilson to be a contract to pay wages for 
the term of six months, for working on said vessel in the 
business in which she was engaged; that is, wrecking in and 
about the harbor of Lewes, at the entranoe of Delaware bay. 
It is in evidence that the vessel never did in fact return to 
Philadelphia, and that all these seamen performed their duty 
faithfully for more than a period of six months; and that, 
after making several unsuccessful demands for their wages, 
finally left her in winter quarterg, and in a place of safety, 
selected by the master of the schooner. 
The respondents, however, claim that no wages whatever 
are due under the shipping articles until the voyage for which 
they shipped is completed by the arrivai of the vessel at the 
port of Philadelphia, after six months from the date of ship- 
ment of the crew; and, further, that they had forfeited their 
wages by misconduct in opening a box of the master and 
taking three bottles of beer without leave ; and, further, by 
leaving the ship in a position of danger and peril without the 
permission of the master. 
The authorities cited by the respondent no doubt establish 
the position of the necessity of the completion of the voyage 
for which the seaman is shipped, as a condition precedent 
for the payment of the full wages due, unless the seaman is 
nnjustly discharged by the master during the interim. There 
is no doubt of the applicability of this law to vessels carrying&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/330</title>
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the pleadings of another as to take a course of action which 
otherwise he would not have taken, and the first party seea 
fit to amend, thuB throwing the other party upon a riew line 
of defence, then costs ought to be imposed upon the party 
amending ; for non constat, if the original pleading had been 
the same as the amended one, that the defendant might 
have defended at ail, or taken a less troublesome and expen- 
sive line of defence, We do not see that the respondent has 
been damnified by the amendment to the libel to such an 
extent as to entitle him to costs. AU the evidence shows 
that there was no wrongful presentation of the case as 
regards its substantial merits in the libel as filed originally. 
Leaving out of view minor questions of date and form, to 
which extent the amendments to the libel only went, never- 
theless the master refused to pay the wages of his seamen, 
which he admitted had been earned by their faithful and 
contanuous labor for a period of over six months, if not for- 
feited for other causes. Thus it will be seen that the objec- 
tion to amending the libel is not one going to the merits of 
the action. He is not entitled to have costs by reason of the 
amendment, and they must be denied. 
The Ben Hooley.* 
{District Court, SI. D. Pennsylvania. February 21, 1881.) 
. ADMniALTT— TowiNO Vebsbl peom Pier in Order to Moyb An- 
OTHBK Vessel — Rbbponsibility oi- Tua FOR Collision Causjsd bt 
Dbfbctive Hawser. 
A tug which, In order to move a vessel from a pier, movea another 
vessel into the stream against the protest of her offlcers, is responsible 
for a collisioii caused by the defective condition of the latter vesael's 
hawser, with which the towing is done. 
. Same— Extent of Tua's Doty— Whbn not Rblibvbd bt Neglect 
OE Vessel in Tow. 
Two schooners were lying at a pier. A tug was employed to tow 
one of them out, and, in order to do so, undertook to tow the other 
*Reported by Frank P. Priohard, Esq. , of the Philadelphia bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Babb, D. J. Tbis suit is brought to recover of defendant, 
as executrix, the sum of $100,000, with interest from July 
29, 1872, which it is alleged was expended and lost by rea- 
son of, and upon, the fraudulent pretences and representa- 
tions made by Philip Arnold to the plaintiff in reference to a 
pretended discovery of a diamond field on the borders of New 
Mexico and Arizona. The answer of the defendant traverses 
the allegations of the petition, and pleads and relies upon the 
statute of limitations, which bars such actions after five years. 
One of the paragraphs of the answer alleges that the cause of 
action accrued when the money was paid, in July, 1872, and 
when the alleged fraud was perpetrated; and the other para- 
graph sets up and relies upon the statute of limitations, upon • 
the idea that the cause of action accrued when plaintiff dis- 
covered the fraud, or could with reasonable diligence have 
discovered it. This is alleged to have been in the month of 
November or December, 1872. The replication of plaintiff, 
in one of its paragraphs, attempts to avoid the allegation of 
the second paragraph in the answer by alleging the discovery 
of the fraud of Arnold within five years before the bringing 
of the suit, which was October 23, 1879. This paragraph of 
the replication bas been held bad on demurrer, because it did 
not allege any facts showing or tending to show diligence in 
the investigation of the alleged fraud. Time was given plain- 
tiff to amend his replication. This time has expired, and no 
amendment has been filed or tendered. The demurrer to the 
other paragraph of the replication Was overruled. This par- 
agraph (third) was perhaps intended to be a traverse of the 
third paragraph of the answer of the defendant, which sets 
up and relies upon the statute of limitations, upon the idea 
that the cause of action only accrued when the fraud was 
discovered, and that the burden of alleging and proving when 
the discovery was made, is upon the defendant. 
The defendant now moves the court for judgment upon 
the plea of the statute, as pleaded in the second paragraph 
of the answer. This motion is based upon the theory that 
plaintiff's cause of action is presumed to have accrued when 
the fraud is alleged to have been perpetrated, and the money&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to have been in -writing, and within the knowledge and eon- 
trol of the defendant, and therefore the omission to produce 
it is a matter which must have more or less weight against 
the defendant, aceording to , the circumstances of the case. 
Portions of the evidence partake of the character of hearsay, 
and some of it is decidedly argumentative. In considering 
it, it will be impossible to ignore the history of the period 
and place to which it relates. Eeading it, then, by this light, 
and where it is oontradictory or obscure supplementing it 
from this source, the material facts about the settlement and 
occupation of the mission station at The Dalles are these : 
In the spring of 1838 the Eev. Daniel Lee and Eev. H. K. 
W. Perkins, under the direction of the Eev. Jason Lee, the 
superintendent of the defendant in Oregon, established a mis- 
sion within the limits of the tract described in the patent 
herein, at a place then called Wascopum, In the fall of the 
same year it was stocked with cattle from the Wallamet val- 
ley. The place was favorably situated for trade and inter- 
course with the Indians and immigrants from the east — the 
latter usually, at this point, exchanging their wagons for 
boats, and often bartering their poor oxen for supplies, such 
as fresh beef and the like. 
In 1840 Mr. H. B. Brewer went to reside there as a farmer 
for the mission. Perkins and Lee left the mission for the 
east in 1844, and the Eev. A. F. Waller joined it about the 
same time. Waller and Brewer remained there until the 
transfer of the station to Whitman, in 1847. In 1844 the 
Eev. George Gary superseded Jason Lee as superintendent of 
the Oregon mission. Apparently the society had become dis- 
satisiied with the secular character and cost of the mission- 
ary operations, and sent Gary here to bring about a change 
in this respect. To this end, soon after his arrivai in the 
territory, the varions mission stations, exoept The Dalles, and 
ail the mission property, consisting mainly of large herds of 
horses and cattle, were disposed of to members of the mis- 
sion; so that after 1844 the defendant had no &quot;mission 
among the Indian tribes&quot; in Oregon except at The Dalles. 
Thereafter the labors of its faitbful clerical missionaries, of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/380</title>
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permanent home. At the time the defendant abandoned 
this station there were about 70 acres under some kind of 
snclosure, about one-half of which had been under cultiva- 
tion. There were six moderate-sized buildings upon the 
promises, a dwelling, meeting, school, and storehouse, barn 
and workshop, built of logs, except the dwelling, which was a 
frame fiUed in with adobe. The buildings were plain, and 
constructed mostly with Indian labor, and did not cost to 
exceed $4,000, at which valuation they were afterwards — on 
June 16,1860 — paid for by the United States, upon the claim 
and estimate of the defendant to that effect, See H. of E. 
Eep. No, 145, 2d Sess. 35th Gong.; 12 St. 44. 
On November 29, 1847, Dr. Whitman and othera were 
murdered at Wailatpu, by the Indians of that station, and 
this was followed by what is known as the Cayuse war, in 
which the people of Oregon, under the provisional government, 
undertook to chastise the Cayuse Indians for this massacre. 
By midsummer of 1848 hostilities had ceased and peace was 
established, and in the latter part of the summer the troops 
were withdrawn from the country and returned to their 
homes. 
About December 16th, Perrin B. Whitman, who had re- 
mained in charge of the station at The Dalles, being appre- 
heasive of danger, left for the Wallamet valley, taking with 
him Mr. Alanson Hinman, whom his uncle had sent there 
from Wailatpu in October as a farmer and housekeeper. A 
detachment of volunteers soon after occupied the premises, 
with the permission of said Whitman, and it remained in the 
possession of the troops of the provisional govemment until 
they were withdrawn from the country as stated. There- 
after, the premises remained unoccupied, except occasionally 
by passing travelers and immigrants, until the spring of 1850, 
when a military post was established there by the United 
States, and the premises included in a military reserve. 
There never were any Indian hostilities at The Dalles of a 
general or serions nature, or within 100 miles of the place. 
The immigrations of 1848 and 1849 came through the 
country without molestation ; and from early in 1848 there&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/382</title>
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grant oaly applies to such stations as were occvpied on Au- 
gust 14, 1848. To occupy is to possess, not constructively but 
&lt;ictually. The word is of more limited signification than pos- 
session. It is derived from oh and capio — to lay hold of — 
and means to possess by having hold of or being actually 
upon the thing possessed, continuously and exolusively. 
Therefore, there.can be no such thing as constructive occu- 
pancy. But when one bas the complete legal title to land, 
and is therefore entitled to the possession of the same in law, 
he is deemed to have it. U. S. v. Arredondo, 6 Pet. 743. 
But prior to August 14, 1848, there could be no such posses- 
sion of lands in Oregon, because the legal title was in the 
United States. Occupancy or actual possession was the only 
interest any one then had in lands in Oregon, and when that 
•was given up or abandoned, the relation of the party to the 
land was absolutely terminated, and it was open to occupa^ 
&quot;tion by the next corner as though the foot of man had never 
been upon it. Lownsdale v. Citp of Portland, 1 Deady, 1. 
Prior to August 14, 1848, the only interest which the de- 
fendant had in the premises was that of occupancy or actual 
possession. It therefore could have no constructive posses- 
sion of the land. If this actual possession or occupancy 
existed at the passage of the act making the grant, the title 
of the United States was then and thereby and on that occa- 
sion vested in the defendant, but not otherwise. The act makes 
the grant to take effect, not upon an occupation which pre- 
fleded or followed it, but upon that which was contempora- 
neous with it. The grant was made upon the condition 
precedent that the defendant was then in the occupation of 
the premises. Intention or desire to occupy is of no avail ; 
and for the want of this occupation there is no excuse or 
«quivalent. Even taking the view; of the matter sought to be 
maintained by the defendant, that it was prevented from 
occupying the premises on August 14, 1848, by Indian hostil- 
ities, still the case clearly falls within the ruling in Ford y. 
Kennedy, 1 Or. 166, in which it was held that the grant in 
section 4 of the donation act of 640 acres of land to married 
persons who had resided npon the samo for four years prior&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/384</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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out any intention of returning, because of a change of policy 
on the part of the society; and if the act of 1848 had not 
contained the clause making the grants of mission stations 
as it did, it is morally certain that we would never have heard 
of this manifest afterthought, that Whitman was to keep up 
the missionary work at The Dalles, in some sense as the rep- 
resentative of and for the defendant, and that upon his death 
the station would have been re-occupied and held by it as a 
mission but for fear of the Indians. 
But it is urged that congress has recognized the validity of 
the defendant's claim to this land by the passage of the act 
of June 16, 1860, (12 St. 44,) &quot;for the relief of the mission- 
ary society of the Methodist Episcopal Church,&quot; which pro- 
vided that there should be paid to said society &quot;the sum of 
$20,000, upon filing in the proper department a release to 
the United States, to be approved by the attorney general, of 
all claim to the land embraced within the limits of the mil- 
itary reservation at The Dalles, in Oregon territory, and of 
all claim for damages for destruction of property on or near 
the said land by the United States troops or volunteers or 
Indians at any time anterior to' the date of said release. &quot; 
To fully comprehend the motive and scope of the act it is 
necessary to stato that in 1854 the military reservation at 
The DalleSj -which had covered &amp; number of square miles, 
was, by an order of the war department, reduced to 640 acres, 
to be laid ofif in such a manner as least to interfere with pri- 
vate rights. In the execution of this order only 353 acres of 
&quot;the mission station, as surveyed in 1850 by the defendant, 
including all the improvements thereon, were embraced in 
the reservation. The society availed itself of this circum- 
stance, and at once asked for compensation. The matter was 
referred by the department to Major G. J. Eaines, then the 
post commander at the Dalles, who reported in favor of pay- 
ing the society the sum of $20,000. On January 28, 1859, 
the bouse committee on military affairs also recommended 
Buch payment, which was to be in fuU satisfaction of the 
claim for the land, and also one for $4,000 for the destruc- 
tion of property upon the claim. The committee state in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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6. Samb—Samb. 
Eeld, further^ that the rnere use of guch infringing lock consti- 
tutes an inlringement, although it has only been used as an instant 
locker. 
7. Patent No. 173,366 — Impeovement in Time Locks— Mechanical 
Devicb. 
Letters patent No. 173,366, for improvement in &quot; time locks,&quot; by 
isolating the adjusting devices froin the winding devices, and by ex- 
cluding from the adjusting devices the person who winds the clocks, 
except when he is allowed the use of the key to the suppleinental 
clock by which the adjusting devices are secured, contained, inter alia, 
the follo^ing claim : &quot;In combination with the case of a chronometric 
lock, having a lid or door for covering the devices which control the 
hours of locking or unlocking, one or more winding devices, whereby, 
the lock being attached to the safe door, the time mechanism can be 
wound from the exterior of the case while the safe door is open, but is 
inaccessible when said door is closed.&quot; Hdd that , so far as thia claim 
■was concerned, the alleged invention consists in simply securing the 
door of a time lock with a key, and in providing such door with an 
aperture through which the clock could be wound, and that in view of 
the Rutherford clock, the watchman's time detector, and even the 
clocks and watehes in common use, the improvement did not involve 
invention, and could only be regarded as mechanical. 
8. Re-Issue No. 7,947— Application of Time and Comuiitation Lock- 
ing Mechanism to the Bolt-Wobk of a Safe Dook— Combination 
— Patentable Result. 
Re-issued letters patent No. 7,947, for an improvement in a com- 
bined time lock, combination lock, and bolt-work for safe and vault 
doors, claimed, inter alia, &quot; the combination with the bolt-work of a 
safe or vault door of a combination or key lock, controllable mechan- 
ically from the exterior of the said door, with the time lock, having 
a lock boit or obstruction for locking and unlocking, controllable 
from the interior of the door, both of said locks being arranged so as 
to rest against, or connect with, the bolt-work — the time lock being 
automatically unlocked by the operation of the time movement ; both 
of the said locks being independent of each other, and arranged to 
control the locking and unlocking of the bolt-work, so that said safe 
or vault door cannot be opened when locked until both of said locks 
have been unlocked, or have released their dogging action to enabla 
the door to be opened, substantially as described.&quot; Eeld, that this 
combination produced a new resuit, and was theref ore patentable. 
9. Re-Ibbue — Abandoned Claim. — Leggett v. Avery, 101 U. S. 256. 
HM, further, under the circumstances of this case, that this claim 
was not within the scope of the language employed in Leggett v. Avefry, 
101 U. B. 256, in relation to the invalidity of a claim in a re-issue 
which had been abandoned, or rejected with the acquiescence of the 
patentee, upon the original application for letters patent. — [Ed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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in 1866 proved that the knowledge of a combination could be 
obtained from the possessor of the key by intimidation or vio- 
lence, and that when thua obtained the contents of the vault 
were open to the burglar. The public became alarmed, and 
demanded a remedy for the unexpeeted inefficiency. Sargent 
answered the demand, and placed upon the door a time look 
which dogged the boit work, and prohibited mechanical open- 
ing till a predetermined hour in the morning, and placed 
aleo, in connection with the same boit work, an independently 
acting combination lock, so that although the lock was 
unlocked during the period when the time lock was in opera- 
tion, the boit work could not be retracted, and during the 
day, when time locks were not demanded, the key lock securely 
guarded the safe. This new devioe met the wants of the pub- 
lic. The triple combination, as it was termed, went largely into 
use, and its efficiency was tested and demonstrated on the 
occasion of the attempted burglarly of the banks in Great Bar- 
rington. The tick of the time lock proclaimed to the burg- 
lars who had compelled the uulocking of the combination lock 
that another obstacle must be Burmounted before the door 
could be opened, and the scheme of robbery was abandoned. 
Much of the commercial success of the Sargent combination 
is undoubtedly attributable to the fact that he put into actual 
use a time lock which was far superior to its predecessors, 
and which had the confidence of the public. The resuit is 
that by the use of both time and combination locking mechan- 
ism upon the same boit work of one door, the expense of an 
additional door and of boit work is avoided, and both the 
advantages of time locks and of combination Icpks are had, 
and the most important disadvantagesof ea,ch are avoided. 
The presence of the time lock supplies strength to the weak- 
ness of the combination mechanism, while the use of the com- 
bination lock removes one of the disadvanta,ges of the time 
lock. . , 
The argument is most strongly and skilfully pressed that 
each of these locks furnishes its own independent resuit; 
that each bas its own separat© and independent grip upon 
the boit; that although they produce a combined resuit in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/430</title>
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Wallace, D. J. The complainant moves for an injunction 
to restrain the defendant from all proceedings to collect a 
tax assessed against varions stockholders of the complainant 
by the board of assessors of the city of Albany. The statute 
under which the assesstaent was made requireg every bank- 
ing association to retain so much of any dividend or divi- 
dends, belonging to stockholders, as shall be necessary to pay 
any taxes assessed in pursuance of the act. The complain- 
ant's bill alleges that its stockholders have been assessed, 
that none of them have paid the tax, eni that several of 
them, owning together about half of the entire capital stock 
of the bank, have demanded their dividends and directed the 
complainant not to pay therefrom the taxes assessed, and 
refuse to allow the coinplainant to retain their dividends for 
that purpose. 
The first ground upon which the right to an injunction ia 
placed by the complainant is that the assessment contravenes 
section 5219, Eevised Statutes of the United States, which 
prohibits the taxation of shares in national banks at a greater 
rate than is assessed upon other moneyed capital in the 
hands of individual citizens of the state. The assessment 
■was made under the provisions of chapter 596 of the Laws 
of New York of 1880, prescribing a system for the taxation of 
banks and moneyed capital invested in the business of bank- 
ing. By another act of the same year (chapter 542, Laws 
1880) all corporations except banks, life insurance compa- 
nies, and manufaoturing companies are taxable upon their 
dividends, when the dividends declared during the year 
amount to 6 per centum or more; or when there are no 
dividends, or the dividends are less than 6 per centum, then 
the tax is to be assessed upon a valuation of their capital 
stock, made by the comptroller of the state in a mode pre- 
scribed by the act. Section 8 of this act exempts the cap- 
ital stock and personal property of these corporations from 
other assessment or taxation. 
It is claimed for the complainant that this latter act, 
respecting the taxation of corporations, subjects them to a 
moderate taxation, and exempts their stockholders from any&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/434</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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by the aasessors showing the names of all the stockholders 
of the complainant, (including the one assessed for $5,000,) 
the number of shares held by each stockholder, and the as- 
sessable value of his shares. This list was prepared for the 
use of the assessorj by the officers of the complainant. It 
further appears that after the five days had expired for the 
review of assessments the roll was copied into a book, and 
the names of the shareholders of the complainant were tran- 
Bcribed from this list and inserted in the first column, with 
the assessable value of their shares opposite, in the fourth 
column. During the five days some of the shareholders of 
the complainant treated the list as an assessment, and had 
their assessments reduced by deductions on account of debts, 
etc., and among them was one of the officers of the com- 
plainant. It is fair to infer, from the facts stated in the 
defendant's af&amp;davits, that the board of assessors regarded 
the list thus kept by them as part of the assessment roll, 
although it was not physically annexed to the roll, and sup- 
posed it was a substantial compliance with the law, and would 
afford to the shareholders of the complainant notice of an 
assessment, and an opportunity for review and correction. It 
is also fair to infer from the facts exhibited, and in the 
absence of any allegations to the contrary on the part of the 
complainant, that the oJB&amp;cers of the complainant and its sev- 
eral shareholders understood that this list was kept by the 
assessors, and regarded by them as part of the assessment 
roll, for the purposes of an assessment against the sharehold- 
ers. It was not a literal nor a substantial compliance with 
the statute. Undoubtedly those requirements in statutes 
regulating assessment and taxation, which are designed to 
afford tax payers an opportunity for the examination and 
revision of their assessments, should not be deemed directory 
merely, but essential, The tax payer is not to be condemned 
without a hearing, and the precautions prescribed to give him 
&amp;n effectuai opportunity to be heard should receive strict con- 
struction in his favor. These are matters which are of the 
substance of the procedure. A substantial compliance with 
such statutes, in all matters which are designed for the pro-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/436</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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refused to do so when the case made resta solely on the ille- 
gality of the tax. As is ruled in Dows v. City qf Chicago, 1 1 
Wall. 108, &quot;there must exist in addition special circum- 
stances, bringing the case under some recognized head of 
equity jurisdiction, such as that the enforcement of the tax 
would lead to a multipllcity of suits or produce irreparable 
injury,&quot; etc., etc. Upon this consideration the stockholders 
would not be entitled to an injunction. But there is another 
ground upon which such relief would be refused them. In 
dealing with the rights of parties to resist taxation, courts of 
equity proceed upon considerations quite unknown to courts 
of law, and hold not only that it must appear the tax is one 
unlawfully imposed, but also one that justice and good con- 
science do not require the party to pay. 
An illustration in point is, found in Mitchell y. Com'rs of 
Leavenworth, 91 U. S. 206, where a complainant had con- 
verted his cash or deposit into United States notes before the 
day of listing taxes, in order to escape taxation, and being 
taxed, notwithstanding, the court held that although the tax 
was illegal, it would not, while sitting as a court of equity, use 
its extraordinary powers to assist him in a scheme to escape 
taxation, and dismissed the bill. In the present case I am 
unable to doubt that the stockholders understood that the 
assessors intended to assess their stock,, and had made an 
ruformal assessment roll for that purpose. The statute 
required the complainant to deliver a list for the use of the 
assessors, and required the assessors to assess the share- 
holders in the ward where the bank was located ; and it is 
not alleged in the bill or affidavits that a single stookholder 
was ignorant that he was assessed, or was in any way misled 
because the assessment was indioated upon a list and not 
upon the common roll. In short, it is not claimed that any 
shareholder was actually prejudiced by the failure of the 
assessors to conform to the strict requirements of the statute. 
Purthermore, it is stated in defendant's affidavits that the 
mode adopted by the assessors of keeping a separate list for 
the assessment of bank shareholders was publicly known,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/444</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697627</id>
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That this speeies of equality would probably be so attract- 
ive to persons or companies doing an express business as to 
arouse their activity in competing for express business to be 
done on these lines, is not so apparent to my mind, and the 
ability, experience, and gravity of the very learned and skil- 
ful counsel appearing for the defendants were not equal to the 
presentation of that view of the case. It was, therefore, con- 
tended, as it bas been contended in cases presented to other 
judges during the past year, (with which the courts and the 
legal profession have become somewhat familiar,) that the 
certainty of having dispatch -was a necessary element of the 
express business; that this eould only be secured by having 
always a snfficiency of room; that as each express company 
would want all the business if it could get it, and as one 
might Bucceed in getting it ail, that to insure always having 
room, each had to contract for all the room its business on 
any one day might need, and hence had to contract for room 
equal to something more than the average daily haul of such 
matter, and that the express business, and not the railroad 
company, should bear the burden of the dead hauls neces- 
sary to secure at all times this ample supply of room. And 
further, as to these cases, it was urged that the plaintiff, by 
its bill, showed that it was in possession of the express busi- 
ness on these lines j that it had an established reputation ; that 
it had the good will of such business on those routes, with 
trained messengers and other servants known to the public 
and trusted by the public along said routes, with all the ap- 
pliances for doing all of said business as it had done for many 
years ; and that, this being so, whatever other express com- 
panies might sufifer by . any supposed inequality in such 
terms, the plaintiff could not complain ; that if the Pacific 
Express Company — a Etranger, with no present run of busi- 
ness, and none of these elements conducive to procuring 
and transacting such business — could afford to make such a 
contract, surely the plaintiff could very much better afford it ; 
that if there was any inequality it would manifestly work most 
strongly in favor of that express company which already was 
in possession of the trade.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/448</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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trains as the proper authorities of the post-office department 
may require, and for such compensation as may be agreed 
on between the parties ; or, in case they cannot agree, then 
at rates fixed by certain commissioners, at not less, -when 
carried on passenger trains, than the rate for transporting 
an equal weight of matter on ordinary merchandise trains, 
with provisions for compensation for car, extra speed, etc. 
Article 4235. 
The legislature had full and minute Knowledge of the ex- 
istence and extent and manner of conducting the express 
business of the country, and was mindful to impose on every 
person, firm, or association of persons doing an express busi- 
ness in this state an annual tax of $750. Article 4665. The 
legislature, at least equally with the courts, had knowledge 
that express matter was carried in a particular manner on 
passenger and other fast trains, and not received, receipted 
for, or taken charge of by any of the servants of the railroad 
corporations. The legislature had knowledge also that this 
business, as to the compensation to the railroads therefor, 
had ever been and continued to be regniated by special con- 
traets between the railroad companies and the express com- 
panies. Express matter is nowhere in any way specially 
mentioned in the statute. It is not provided that such mat- 
ter shall be carried on other trains than ordinary marchan- 
dise trains, 
It is, perhaps, true that the terms of the statute do neces- 
sarily include all matter received by the railroads and trans- 
ported in the care of its servants, without regard to the quality 
of the matter or the train upon which it is carried. A rail- 
road Company could not, perhaps, receive a hundred pounds 
of fresh oysters in the shell at Galveston, and haul the same 
to Dallas, and (because its servants called it &quot;express freight,&quot; 
and consented to haul it in a baggage car attached to a pas- 
senger train) charge more than 50 cents per hundred miles 
for the haul. 
Upon a careful consideration of all the provisions of the 
Texas statutes bearing upon the subjeot, the inclination of 
my mind is to the opinion that it was not the intention of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/452</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697635</id>
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nothing of, and had not heard of, fais fatHer being surety for 
Abel in the bond to complainant. Complainant is entitled 
to reacb the interest secretly reserved by Thomas K. out of 
the property transferred, but it doea not follow that the con- 
veyance is void in favor of creditors under the statutes of this 
state. 
Section 4716, Compiled Laws of Michigan, declares that 
the question of fraudulent intent shall be deemed a question 
of faot and not of law. Section 4717 provides that the 
statute, declaring every conveyance made with intent to hin- 
der, delay, or defraud creditors or other persons void, shall 
not be construed to impair the title of a purchaser for a val- 
uable consideration, unless it shall appear that he had 
previous notice of the fraudulent intent of his grantor, etc. 
The statutes of fraud of Elizabeth have been generally con- 
strued in substantial harmony with the laat provision, but 
quite dififerently from the import of the first-mentioned pro- 
vision, which is not contained in the older statutes of fraud. 
The federal courts, under the statutes of Elizabeth, hold as a 
matter of legal presumption that a deed made by a debtor, 
which, on its face conveys absolutely, but out of which he 
reserves to himself some interest or benefit, is fraudulent and 
void; and, as the law makes the presumption, the court must 
determine, as a matter of legal construction, when the pre- 
sumption is rebutted. -Hamilton v. Russell, 1 Grandi, 309, 
316, 
Under the Michigan Statute the question whether a con- 
veyance ie made with intent to defraud creditors is, in the 
first instance, a question of fact; and if aprimafacie case, 
or one which raises a presumption of fraud, is made out, the 
question whether it is rebutted is also a question of fact. 
This case presents a question of the validity or invalidity of 
a deed of conveyance governed and controUed by the laws of 
the state. In a trial at law, the jury, and not the court, 
would have to deal with the question of fraud. Sitting in 
equity, the court performa the duties of court and jury. It 
cannot be held in this case, as in Lukins v. Aird, 6 Wall. 78,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/458</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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banks, president, and 0. W. Barrett, secretary, of the board 
of trustees; Levi D. Boone and Samuel S. Boone, the one as 
trustee of the mortgage or deed of trust, and the other as the 
Buccessor of the trustee. As I have said, the bills were filed 
on the same day, the one in the circuit court- of Cook county, 
and the other in this court. It seems that the bill in the 
state court was filed before the bill in this court, although on 
the same day. No process of either court was served on the 
day the bill was filed. On the nineteenth of February, the 
day following, the process of this court was served on ail the 
defendants, before 11 o'clock a. m. of that day. The process 
issuing from the state court was not served until after 2 
o'clock p. M. of the same day ; so that the process issuing 
from this court was first served ; and the question is whether 
this court obtained jurisdiction of the case for the purposes 
contemplated by the bill, viz. : for the foreclosure of the mort- 
gage. Although the bill was filed in the state court first, on 
the same day, the rule, I take it, is well settled that the right 
of a court to take jurisdiction of a party depends upon the 
service of process upon the party. If a party commence a 
Buit, and process is not served, it does not take effect as 
against the party defendant, howsoever long process may 
remain in the hands of the officer. The process of thia court 
being fijst served upon the defendants, the University of Chi- 
cago, and upon Boone, gave this court jurisdiction and the 
right to go on and foreclose this mortgage. It is said, and 
there is some evidence in an afiSdavit tending to establish the 
faet, that there was a race on the part of the plaintiff, in the 
case in this court, first to obtain service upon the defendants. 
It may be, but at the same time this court must look at the 
facts. It is often a question which bas been most diligent, 
and courts have to determine rights according to the diligence 
of a party. And if, in this case, the plaintif bas been more 
diligent than the plaintiff in the state court, how can this court 
deprive it of its equity, and the preference to which it may 
be entitled ? I do not know of any way that this can be done. 
Then this court retains this bill for the purpose named in it — ■ 
for the foreclosure of this deed of trust or mortgage — and the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/460</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697643</id>
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cided upon the bill of foreclosure, but the question does arise 
as to the rigbt of the mortgagor to execute the mortgage, and 
whether or not be should be foreclosed and forever barred 
from setting up any claim to the land covered by the mort- 
Now, I tbink I may say to the counsel that there ought 
not to be two litigationa upon the questions to whioh the 
court bas adverted; that is to say, in two different courts. I 
admit that it is quite possible that the court may go on in 
this case and make a decree forever barring the equities of 
the University of Chicago, and preventing it from ever setting 
up any claim to this land, and placing this plaintif, so far 
as the University of Chicago is concerned, in possession; but 
still there may be a right outside of that, existing in a third 
party, which would not be interfered with by this decree. I 
do not desire, if it can be avoided, to issue an injunction in 
this case, even if I have the right to do so. I have stated 
these views upon the questions of law involved, and I leave 
it to the counsel to determine v?hether it sball become neces- 
sary for the court to take any positive action. 
I think it may be the right and duty of the court, if it 
sh all become necessary, to prevent any parties in the state 
court litigation, who are also parties here, from going on and 
raising the question whether or not the University of Chicago 
had the right to execute this mortgage, and whether it is to 
be estopped by the decree of this court; for these are ques- 
tions, I think, this court has the exclusive right to determine, 
— the court having jurisdiction of the parties and of the sub- 
ject-matter, — and I think the decision of the court would be, 
as to the University of Chicago, binding in all courts. I 
leave the matter, therefore, without any order being made 
at this time, for the consideration of counsel.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/466</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697649</id>
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&quot;Who was responsible for this long delay ? Hammond's position 
was, however, readily ascertainable from 1819. The plaintiff 
might, if she had any rights against him, have pursued them 
before 1830, and prior to Hammond's death. Because she 
■was involved in a legal controversy with others, did the stat- 
ute as to Hammond ceaae to run, whereby, after the lapse of 
more than a half century, she can pursue the Hammond 
estate ? If so, then every person not a party to a suit must 
be held bound by its outcome, despite the statute of limita- 
tion ; and thus the statutes of limitation become futile. 
Eeference bas been made to certain decrees and judgments 
entered in favor of plaintiff by the United States circuit court 
in Louisiana. The facts and circumstances under which those 
decisions were had are unknown to this court. The cases seem 
tb have been for the reoovery of the possession of realty 
devised to her under the will of 1813, despite the sale made 
by Eelf, Chew, and Mary Clark under the will of 1811. So, 
here, the property belonging to Daniel Clark's estate, sold by 
Hammond prior to 1819, (he acting as agent for Eelf, Chew, 
and Mary Clark,) may in law belong to this plaintiff, unless 
her rights thereto are barred; but she is not seeking to 
recover said realty, but the amount paid to Hammond for 
said void transfers. It may be that the statute of limitations 
would bar any suit against the purchasers from Hammond; 
but, whether such be the fact or not, it is not seen how she can 
recover from Hammond's heirs the money judgment claimed 
by her, and have the same made a charge upon the lands 
which came to his heirs under the act of 1864. Again, her 
excuse for not proceeding in this matter at an earlier date, 
even if the same were valid, is met by the fact that in 1848 
she filed a bill in this court wherein it appears that she was 
fully informed of ail the facts that it is now averred she did 
not discover until a date long subsequent. In no possible 
view of the case, as presented by the bill, bas she any right 
to maintain the same. 
The demurrer is sustaiued and the bill dismissed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/468</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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eaid iudgment and levied upon the only property of said 
Schwed &amp; Newhouse within the state of Missouri, to-wit, a 
stock of watches and jewelry, and that attachments in favor 
of plaintiffs have been levied upon the same property. After 
the uling of the bill in the state court, and after all the defend- 
ants had appeared, a motion for a temporary injunction to 
restrain the execution of said judgment -was heard by that 
court, and an injunction allowed to remain in force until a 
final hearing of the cause. Afterwards the cause was removed 
to this court. The defendants here move to dissolve the 
injunction granted by the state court upon grounds which 
will now be considered. 
1. It is said that the bill is not verified according to law and 
the practice of courts of chancery. It is to be presumed that 
ail questions relating to the form and sufficieney of the bill, 
and of the verification thereof, were considered and decided 
by the state court upon the hearing before that tribunal of 
the motion for an injunction, and that the affidavit was held 
to be good and sufficient under the state law. Whether that 
ruling was correct or not I will not inquire, because this 
court is not called upon to reView the orders and ruling made 
by the state court in the progress of the cause before the 
removal. In the case of Dungan v. Gegan, 101 U. S. 810, 
the supreme court, by Waite, G. J., laid down the rule upon 
this subject as follows: &quot;The transfer of the suit from the 
state court to the circuit court did not vacate what had been 
done in the state court previous to the removal. The circuit 
court, when a transfer is effected, takes the case in the con- 
dition it was when the state court was deprived of its juris- 
diction. The circuit court bas no more power over what was 
done before the removal than the state court would have had 
if the suit had remained there. It takes the case up where 
the state court left it off.&quot; In view of this authority, I am 
disposed to consider the question of the sufficieney of the 
verification of the bill as disposed of by the action of the 
state court. No doubt this court may, upon proper showing, 
in a case removed, vacate or modify an injunction allowed 
in the case by the state court, and before removal; but such&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/476</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697660</id>
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Mrs. Matthews was not examined as a witness. Books 
which were kept for her by the clerk of Mr. Matthews are not 
produced. The witnesses, except to the paper title, are Ed- 
ward Matthews and his son, who, having given these bonds 
to the defendants, testify that they had no authority to do so. 
It was not seriously denied, in the argument of the counsel 
who closed the case, that the faets show full authority for 
Edward Matthews to deal with all the bonds in his wife's 
safe as he chose; nor could it be denied with any hope of 
success. It seems, then, that the witnesses who testified to 
the want of authority must baye intend ed to say merely that 
there was no express authority, There was as much right 
to take the bonds eut of the safe as there ever was to put 
them in. 
To my mind the evidence proves more than a right by 
Edward to use the bonds. It proves that they were his for 
ail purposes for whioh he chose to use them. The case, 
therefore, must be decided upon the amended bill, which 
alleges th'at, considered as a contraot and dealing with Edward 
Matthews himself, the defendants have no title. The con- 
tention from this point of view is that Edward Matthews was 
induced by the fraud of his brother to consent, as he did 
consent, in writing, to the assignment of the bond and mort- 
gage tq Upham, and that Upham had knowledge of the fraud; 
or that the mortgage was void because it was given to secure 
notes tainted with usury; or that, being given to secure cer- 
tain notes, it was of no value when separated from them. It 
is clear that Upham had lent a great deal of money to Nathan 
Matthews, and that he held valuable securities for its repay- 
ment, which he surrendered in exchange for the bond and 
mortgage of Edward Matthews; and that he had no notice 
or knowledge of any dealings between the brothers which 
would injuriously aflfect his title. Upon the preponderance 
of evidence I find that Edward made the mortgage with 
knowledge that it was to be used to secure whatever debts 
Nathan owed Upham ; or that it was so made and aasigned 
that Upham had, as against Edward, the right to believe so. 
The alleged fraud does not attack the mortgage itself, but&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/488</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697673</id>
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ant not done what, in the consideration of a court of equity, 
is equivalent to that ? He was under a liability for the bank- 
rupts, and payment was so made as to relieve him from that 
liability, and thereby benefit him ; and it is not to be over- 
looked, — for this is a vital element of the bill, — that this was 
done in pursuance of a scheme or fraudaient device between 
the bankrupts and the defendant which enured to the benefit 
of the latter at the expense of other creditors. Thereby he as 
effectually secured a preference as if the assets had been paid 
to him direotly, and he had then personally appropriated 
them to the payment of the note. 
In Bartholow v. Beau, 18 Wall. 635, the question was 
whether a payment by an insolvent, which would otherwise be 
void as a preference, was not excepted out of the provisions 
of the law, because it was made to a holder of his note, over- 
due, on which there was a solvent indorser whose liability 
was fixed; and it was held that it was not. Justice Miller, 
in the opinion, says that &quot;the statute in express terms forbids 
such preference, not only to an ordinary crediter of the bank- 
rupt, but to any person who is under any liability for him. 
* * * It is therefore very evident that the statute did not 
intend to place an indorser or other surety in any better posi- 
tion in this regard than the principal creditor; and that if 
the payment in the case before us had been made to the in- 
dorser, it would have been recoverable by the assignee. If 
the indorser had paid the note, as he was legally bound to 
do when it fell due, or at any time afterwards, and then re- 
ceived the amount of the bankrupt, it eould certainly have 
been recovered of him; or if the money had been paid to 
him directly, instead of the holder of the note, it could have 
been recovered ; or if the money or other property had been 
placed in his hand to meet the note, or to secure him instead 
of paying it to the bankers, he would have been liable.&quot; This 
language is plainly expressive of the view that if, in advance 
of his liability being fixed, an indorser takes the bankrupt's 
property to meet the note which he bas indorsed, when it 
shall mature, or to secure himself against loss, he will be 
liable as accepting a preference. And it would seem that i£&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/492</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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But without questioning the jurisdiction of the court in a 
proper case to stay proceedings in a state court -where the 
assignee is a party, or where his rights as assignee are in any 
way to be afifected by the litigation, I cannot see that in this 
case the plaintiff bas any sufficient ground in equity to stand 
upon. He is not sued. He is in no sense a party to the 
litigation. The fund he represents is in no danger. His 
rights as assignee to the property are in no way being menaced 
or questioned. The little property there was, was voluntarily 
turned over to the marshal. About one-half the goods, or 
$200 in value, was set off to the bankrupt by the assignee as 
exempt under the laws of Wisconsin, and approved by order 
of the court. The rest of them have been sold by the assignee 
and turned into money, the avails, about $206, beiug nowin 
the hands of the assignee, ready to be distributed. 
Under these circumstances, there would seem to be no suf- 
ficient reason for setting aside the sale to Bromley, or staying 
proceedings in the state court. 
If anything was to be gained by it to the assignee, and so 
to the creditors generally, then the suit would be proper; 
then would there be a reason for its existence. Or if the prop- 
erty was still held by Bromley, and a suit was necessary to 
recover it, there would then exist a good reason for bringing 
the suit to set the sale aside and recover the property. So 
if the assignee were sued in the state court for taking the 
property. But aside from some sueh motive of benefit or 
interest to the assignee, as the representative of ail the cred- 
itors, it is difficult to see what ground the assignee has to 
stand upon to maintain a suit to set aside a sale held valid 
under the state law, and to stay litigation between two cred- 
itors of /the bankrupt. The suits which the assignee can 
maintain should be for the benefit of the creditors generally, 
and not in the interest of a particular crediter only. 
The assignee may safely look on and see litigation go 
on between certain creditors, so long as he is in no way a 
party to it, and cannot be bound or in any way aiiected by 
the results of such litigation, It is time enough for him to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/498</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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tion, literally interpreted, of any horizontal rotatipg geed- 
wheel in the hopper, and valve in the seed-tube, a transverse 
reciprocating bar, and operating hand-lever. Such a combi- 
nation is open to more than verbal criticism. When, how- 
ever, the reeognized rules of interpretation in such cases are 
brought to bear, -we find that this claim differa from the others 
only in making the rotatory wheel operate the seed-valve. 
Said valve had previously been operated in connection with 
the oscillatory wheel, bar, and lever. Hence, the introduc- 
tion of the intermittent rotatory wheel, the forka on the 
transverse bar, and the checks or stops at certain points, 
enabled the three combinations to be effective in their re- 
spective operations, separately considered. Each of those 
claims is therefore held to be valid. As to the infringement, 
much might be said if the court had at its command the 
appliances whereby, through models and drawings, it could 
make its views olearly appear as to details of mechanical con- 
trivances. In the absence of such aid it would be uselesa to 
attempt a detailed description thereof. It must Buffice to 
Btate that the defendants infringe each of the plaintiff's 
claims, limiting them to the use, in combination, of the der 
vices specified. The combinations are the same, and the 
devices used are the same, with merely colorable change as to 
form. The forks, seed-wheels, and checks exist in the patent 
and in defendants' machines in combination, substantially as 
set forth in plaintiff's patent. 
A decree will be entered for the plaintiff accordingly, with 
reference to the master, Thomas G. Eeynolds, to report the 
amount of profits and damages. 
8ee infra, 487, for decision of the coiirt upon motion for rehearing and 
to Bct aside the interlooutory decree.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/516</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the back binding than the latter place. Thus eaeh stub leaf is 
utilized on both sides, and for every two checks there is an 
additional piece of paper of the size of each of such checks, 
and the whole book is no larger in superficies than the size of 
the check, plus back margin enough to bind with. The 
back of one check adjoins one face of the succeeding stub 
leaf, and the other face of that stub leaf adjoins the front 
face of the succeeding check, and the back of the next check 
adjoins one face of the stub leaf succeeding it, and so on. 
The checks not torn out, and the stub leaves, are thus always 
in position to be written on, inside of the dimensions of the 
book, without any movement at all of any check leaf, and 
without any movement of any stub leaf in any direction, except 
to the left or right, towards or from the place of binding, like 
turning the leaves of any ordinary bound book, FoUowing 
the description in the plaintiii's re,-issued specification, the 
defendant's book is oonvenient to carry in the pocket, and is 
provided with suitable stubs having sufficient surface to ena- 
ble the user to keep the record of his checks drawn, and of 
bis deposits. It is not materially longer or broader than the 
check itself. It provides stubs of the size and form used in 
ordinary office check-books, each place on a stub leaf for 
recording the particulars of a check being of about the usual 
size in an ordinary check-book. Each stub leaf can be bound 
at its left-hand margin. The stub leaves extend to the 
right from the bound back the whole length of the checks, 
there being one stub leaf between every two checks and the 
next succeeding two checks, and two checks between every 
stub piece and the next succeeding stub piece. The two 
places on a stub leaf for recording the particulars of checks 
are on one piece of paper. The checks and stub leaves are 
completely protected by the cover; and the book is about 
the length and breadth of an ordinary check, and remains of 
uniform shape as the checks are removed. 
The differences in construction between the book first de- 
scribed in the plaintiff 's re-issued specification and the defend- 
ant's book are that in the defendant's book the two checks 
are not attached to their stub leaf, one at the top and one at&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/538</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697732</id>
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man on board, with the object of anticipating and supplant- 
ing the master, shall entitle him to a ghare of the property 
■whioh is subsequently recovered by the unaided efforts of its 
owner. 
The libel must be dismisscd, with costs. 
The Hbbo.* 
{jyistriet Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. March 23, 1881.) 
1. Charteb-Pabtt— OBiArNiiTG Si&amp;NATUKE BT Fbaud— Brokeb whbn 
Agent of onb Pabtt Alonb. 
F., a ship-broker in New York, sent to H., a sMp-broker in Pliila- 
delphia, the nam^ Of a yessel open to charter in case U. could obtain 
any proposais. H. obtained an offer from P. W. &amp; Sons, which -«va» 
accepted. The charter was drawn in P. W. &amp; Sons' office, and marked 
by the employe in charge of their ehartering department with his 
initiais, w'hich, according to a System adopted by'P. W, &amp; Bons, and 
known to H., indicated to P. W. &amp; Sons that the charter was correct 
and might be signed without further examination. The charter was 
forwarded to P., who, after altering it by an interlineation, signed it 
and returned it toH. , who lef t it at the office of P. W. &amp; Sons without 
mentioning the alteration. P, &quot;W. &amp; Sons signed it without noticing 
the alteration, and sent it to H,, but shortly afterwards, discovering 
the fr'aud, rescinded the contract. HM, that H', was not the agent 
of P. W. &amp; Sons, but of the shlp, and that P. W. &amp; Bons were not 
llable oh their charter-party. 
Libel by the master of the bark Hero against Peter Wright 
&amp; Sons to j;ecover damages for an alleged breach of charter- 
party. The testimony disclosed the following facts : Funch, 
Edye &amp; Co., ship-brokers of New York, sent to Hoffman &amp; 
Meyer, ship-brokers of Philadelphia, the name of the bark 
Hero (then at Cartagena) as ^a vessel open to charter in case 
Hoffman &amp; Meyer conld qbtain any proposais. Hoffman &amp; 
Meyer obtained ah offer from Peter Wright &amp; Sons, of Phil- 
adelphia, which was accepted. The charter was then drawn 
by a clerk in the employ of Peter Wright &amp; Sons and sub- 
*Reported by Frank P. ;Priehardj Esq., of the Philadelphia bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/542</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697736</id>
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the ship, uiader Fuach, Edye &amp; Co. The lattef telegraphed 
the former, during the negotiation, close &quot;Eassian bark ' Hero, ' 
now at Cartagena, six shillings and three pence, Cork or- 
ders, UBual charter,&quot; and received for reply, &quot;We eapnot get 
that rate, but can get six shillings, with privilege of conti- 
nent.&quot; August 27th, they wrote to Hoffman &amp; Meyer &quot;We 
authorize you to close the vessel and expect charter-party in 
the morning.&quot; After receiving the paper and resolving to 
alter it, they telegraphed, Hoffman &amp; Meyer, &quot;We must insert 
in 'Hero's' charter, vessel to sail in about fortnight. Please 
see Wrights at once.&quot; On forwarding the paper to Hoffman 
&amp; Meyer, with the alteration, they expressed the hope that 
the latter wonld be able to obtain Wright's assent to the 
change. Hoffman &amp; Meyer, in communicating the f act that 
Wright's signature had been obtained, eongratulated them- 
selves and Funch, Edye &amp; Co. on their success in the trans- 
action, saying, &quot;We have been very lucky to get this vessel 
through and charter sigued.&quot; 
These communications, of themselves, would seem to leave 
no room for doubt that Hoffman &amp; Meyer were acting in 
behalf of the vessel, alone, and that Funoh, Edye &amp; Go., as 
well as themselveSj so understood. The only evidence to 'the 
contrary is that found in the testimony of Mr. Volokens, of 
the firm of Punch, Edye &amp; Co., who says they did not place 
the vessel with Hoffman &amp; Meyer for charter, but that the 
latter gentlemen, as agents for Peter Wright &amp; Sons, applied 
to them to take freight, and that they simply closed with the 
offers made by Peter Wright &amp; Sons, through such agents. 
The 'testimony of this -witness (who, no doubt, intends to be 
entirely'fair), shows, in my judgment, a strong bias in favor 
of the libellant. He seems to be especially on his guard, 
throughout, agaiust any form of expression or answer,tend- 
ing to show concert between his fiim and Hoffman &amp; Meyer, 
repeating with unnecessary frequency the idea that Funch, 
Edye &amp; Co. simply accepted the offer of Hoffman &amp; Meyer as 
representatives of Peter Wright &amp; Sons. He also seems for- 
getful of Hoffman &amp; Meyer's remonstrances respecting the 
alteration of the paper, and their representations of Wright's&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/544</title>
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parties, — invoked by the libellant. The doctrine bas no ap- 
plication here. Whether it would avail the libellant if it had, 
need not be considered. 
It is much to be regretted that Funch, Edye &amp; Co. did not 
immediately communicate Peter Wright &amp; Sons' repudiation 
of the paper, to the libellant, on receiving notice of the fact. 
The ship had not then sailed, and no serions loss would have 
resulted, had this been done. The position they assumed, — 
that th,eir agency closed with the signing of the charter, — 
rests on a very contracted view of their duty,— the adoption 
of which they may yet, possibly, have occasion, to regret. 
The libel must be dismissed, with costs. 
The Vesta. 
{District Court, D. Massachusetts. Febraary, 1881.) 
1. Chabter-Pabty— QooD Bea Ribii:. ' 
A vessel was chartered for the transportation of wl^at in bulk; 
under a ■warranty thiat she should be tight, stauncb, and stroog, and 
in every way fltted for the voyage. SM, under the circumstances of ' 
this case, that it was essential that the vessel shouid be a ^ood sea 
. tisfe for the marchandise specifled as caTgo.— [Ed. 
Shattuck, Holmes e Monroe,, for libellant, a 
11. S. Dabney, for respondent. 
Nelson, D. J. The libellant, being the charterer of the 
Russian bark Vesta, then on her way from Friedland to Del- 
aware breakwater, by a charter-party dated October 22, 1879, 
rechartered her to the respondent for a voyage from Boston 
to either of certain specified ports in the United Kingdom 
and on the continent of Europe. By the terms of the char- 
ter-party the respondent engaged to provide and fumish to 
the vessel a fuU and complete cargo of wheat &quot;^f Indian 
corn. The libellant engaged that the vessel should prepare 
for bulk ^^^ bag grain at her expense ; that she should be 
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in the winter moiiths. Wheat in bulk is one of tha most 
dangerous kinds of cargo a vessel oan oarry, owing to its lia- 
bility to shift in heavy weather, and to choke the pumps. 
The VeSta was built of soft Norway pine. The voyage waa 
to be in the months when storms are the most frequent and 
severe. She was rejected by the underwriters as an unsafe 
risk, and on this account was useless to the charterer for the 
purpose for which she was chartered. In the export grain 
business wheat is usually sold to arrive. Bills are drawn 
against the cargo upon the consignees abroad, payable in 
London, to which are attached the bill of lading, the certia- 
cate of loading, and the insurance certificate. Upon this 
security advances are obtained upon the cargo. Without the 
insurance certificate the bills would be of no value for thia 
purpose, and the exporter would be deprived of his advance, 
which is &amp;ne of the necessities of the buaimess. The charterer 
would certainly have acted more wisely if he had insisted 
upon a stipulation in the contraot that the vessel should be 
a good sea risk for the merchiandise speciued as cargo. But 
the impressive fact remains that no insurance eompany could. 
be found, after reasonable search, that was willing to assume- 
the risk of this voyage under the circumstances stated. To- 
require the charterer to load such a vessel would be a hard- 
ship which these parties could not have contemplated when 
this charter-party was signed. It should be noticed that 
neither of the parties had ever seen this vessel, or knew any- 
thing of her condition, until she arrived in Boston. 
The libellant insists that the efforts of the respondent to- 
obtaiu insurance were not sincere, and his purpose was to 
escape from his contraot on account of the fall in freights 
which took place after the charter-party was signed. This, 
however, is not proved, The wheat market was also falling, 
and it was for the interest of the respondent to get his wheat 
to market as soon as possible. I am quite satisfied he made 
ail reasonable effort to get insurance. 
It appeared that, later in the season, the Vesta was loaded 
with a mixed cargo of wheat and liidian corn, in bulk, at thia 
r-rt, Ywhich slie earried and delivered.ih' good condition atan&lt;noinclude&gt;
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fallen to such an extent as to render it unsafe to proceed. 
The master knew he was about to enter a dock where his ves- 
sei coula not float at ail conditions of the tide, and he was at 
fault in attempting to enter such a dock after the tide had 
fallen. The respondents wereaiso at fault. The respond- 
ent who was present should have cautioned the schooner to 
stop befbre she reached the point of danger. For this fail- 
ure oi duty the respondents sbould be held responsible. 
The preponderance of the eyidence shows the injury to 
have been caused by the grounding at this point, and the 
efforts made to move her. As the negligence of both the 
parties coh-tributed to this resuit, I pronounce for the libel- 
lants for one-half the damages. I do not find that the build 
of the schooner, being'a single-deck, center-board vessel, 
with great breadth of beam as compared with her draught, 
rendered her unsuitable to carry a cargo of ooal. Nor was it 
negligence in the master not to enter the dock until the day 
after her arrivai. Stress was laid on both these, circum- 
stances by the respondents, but I deem them immaterial. 
In repairing the schooner after the accident a second deck 
was built on her. The libellants claimed this was made nec- 
essary by the injuries resulting from the accident. But it 
was shown she was originally constructed with a view of 
having a second deck added at some future time. I am of 
opinion this deck was put on in pursuance of the original 
plan, and was not made necessary by the injuries received 
in the dock. In the assessment of damages the expense of 
the new deck is not tO be included. 
Interlocutory deoree for the libellants accordingly.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/552</title>
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be no sale of the fish, so that the price of the fish, as between 
the owuers and seamen, began to be established by an agree- 
ment, or by common consent among the leading factory 
owners. This priee was net necessarily the same as the 
market value of the fish, but was what the owners thought 
tbey could afford to pay. In 1872 or 1873 the use of steam- 
ers commenced, and, in the absence of a special contract, the 
custom was that the owners were to receive one-half and the 
crew were to receive one-half of the price for which the fisii 
were sold. The steamers were much more expensive than 
sailing vessels, and required an expensive outfit of coal. The 
owners found that if this rule of payment was literally obeyed 
the business would be a losing one, The factory owners, 
who also owned steam-vessels, continued to establish a price 
at which they settled with their crews, and after 1876, at the 
beginning of the season, both nominal and real priees were 
also established, at which the factories bought of the owners of 
steamers who were not interested in the factories. The nom- 
inal and lesser priee waa the pretended price of the fish, at 
which settlements were made with the crews, The real pries 
included an addition of bonus for the captain and of a bonus 
for the owners. Thus, if the real price was 40 cents per bar- 
rel, the nominal price would be 25 cents, with a bonus of 
five cents to the captain, and of 10 cents to the owners, and 
the owners settled with the crew by the payment of 12 J cents 
per barrel. This practice has been common since 1876. This 
subterfuge is the cause of much of the confusion of testimony 
in this case. The custom of the business required that the 
crews of steam-vessels should receive half the actual price of 
the fish. The fact is, they have been receiving half of the fic- 
titious price of the fish. As the case of the libellants does 
not relate to the western fleet. I express no opinion upon the 
propriety or unreasonableness of this attempted alteration of 
the established custom, except to say that this plan of nomi- 
nal and real priees tends to create misunderstanding, dissat- 
isfaction, and litigation. 
3. The custom of the business in the eastem fleet. 
The well-established and universally-admitted custom of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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In Lampman v. Milks, it was held, when the owner of 
land across which flows a stream diverts the course of the 
latter, so as to relieve a portion of the tract from overflow, 
which he then sells, that neither he nor his grantees of the 
residue of the property can return the stream to its former 
bed to the damage of the first grantee. And in Coolidge v. 
Hapar, supra, it was held that the conveyance of a houee and 
land by an ordinary warranty deed carried with it, by impli- 
cation, the right which the grantor then had to water con- 
veyed to the premises by means of an aqueduct from a dis- 
tant spring. 
This doctrine has been very strongly applied in the case of 
the grant of a mill messuage, or house, eo nomine. In the 
former case it has been decided that the grant will carry with 
it a parcel of land adjoining the mill, and used in connection 
with it, as well as that upon which it stands ; and also the 
right to the water from a particular creek owned by the 
grantor, and then used to run the mill. 
In Whitney v. Olney, supra, it was held that land adjacent 
to and commonly used with a &quot;mill,&quot; although not techni- 
cally appurtenant thereto, passed by a devise thereof, upon 
the ground that its use made it &quot;parcel of the mill,&quot; and 
therefore it was presumed that it was intended to be compre- 
bended within the term &quot;mill,&quot; and devised by it. See, also, 
U. S. V. Appleton, supra, where Mr. Justice Story, in illus- 
trating the proposition that upon the grant of a house it is 
implied from the nature of the grant, unless provision is made 
to the contrary, that the grantee shall possess the house in 
the manner and with the beneficiai rights as were then in use 
and belonging to it, said: &quot;It is strictly a question what 
passes by the grant, Thus, if a man sells a mill, which at 
the time has a particular stream of water flowing to it, the 
right to the water passes as an appurtenance, although the 
grantor was, at the time of the grant, the owner of ail the 
stream above and below the mUl. And it will make no dif- 
ference that the mill was oqce another person's, and that the 
adverse right to use the stream had been acquired by the 
former owner, and might have been afterwards extinguished&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/568</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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thorized to construct their railways, and operate them, by 
various ordinances which have beon from time to time passed ; 
and these ordinances have been recognized and affirmed, 
many of them, by the legislature of the state. By virtue of 
these ordinances and acts of the legislature the companies 
have the right to run their cars for the transit of passengers 
through the city. It eannot be said, therefore, that the effect 
of the ordinance which bas been specially referred to, although 
it is called a license, would be to give the companies the 
privilege of running their cars. That they have by virtue of 
the ordinance and the acts of the legislature. There can be no 
doubt that the legislature would have the right, under the con- 
stitution of 1848, which was in force when the franchise was 
granted,to tax the corporations fot the use of their franchise; 
that is, a tax which is entirely independent of the value of 
the cars, tracks, and other tangible property of the corpora- 
tipnp, a,nd so treated by the constitutions of 1848 and 1870. 
But there are many difficult^es with this branch of the sub- 
ject. There are certain poi|.ditipns required by the constitu- 
tutioB of 1870 as prerequisite» tot. the imposition of a taX of 
this kind, cven conceding that the legislature bas authorized 
the city to impose the tax, and I therefore, without giving» 
any decided opinion upon that part of the case, prefer to 
place my decision upon another ground, and to sustain the 
ordinance as a regulation of the police power of the city, 
This is always a subsisting power, which, it is generally held, 
ca.nnot be transferred by the city, but is inherent in its munic- 
ipal organization. There can be no controversy about the 
power of the city over many things connected with the opera- 
tion of the city railway. Admitting that because of the price 
of fare agreed upon there can be no change in that, yet, by 
virtue of its police power, the city can, to a great extent, 
regulate the running of the cars, presoribe rules and laws as 
to spoed, stoppage, and other things connected with the 
operation of the railway. This bas not been questioned by 
the counsel of the plaintifE; but it is claimed this eannot 
be considered a police regulation, because it is manifestly 
the exercise of the taxing power of the city. It is argued&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/570</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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In the case of Frankfdrt d PJiiladelphia Passenger Co. v. 
City of PhUadelphia, 68 Pa. St. 119, where the license fee 
was the aame, and Johnson v. Philadelphia, 60 Pa. St. 445, 
the supreme court of Pennsylvania took a different view of 
such an ordinance, and treated it as a police regulation merely ; 
and such seems to be the view of the supreme court of this 
state in the case of the Chicago Packing e Provision Co. v. City 
of Chicago, 88 111. 221. 
In the case of Frankfort d Philadelphia Passenger Co. v. 
City of Philadelphia, the city pbtained its power to impose the 
license from a statute substantially similar to that under 
which the city of Chicago claims the power in this case. In 
that case the act of the legislature declared that the city 
couneil of Philadelphia should have authority to provide for 
the proper regulation of omnibuses, or vehicles in the nature 
thereof, and to this end &quot;it shall be lawful for the couneil to 
provide for the issuing of licenses to such and so many per- 
sons as may apply to keep and use omnibuses, or vehicles 
in the nature thereof, and to charge a reascnable annual or 
other sum therefor.&quot; In that statute the words &quot;vehicles in 
the nature thereof,&quot; in this the words &quot;pursuing a like occu* 
pation,&quot; are used. I cannot see that there is auy cubstantial 
distinction in that respect between the two statutes. 
In the case of 88 Illinois, already referred to, the corpora- 
tion was organized and doing business under the laws of this 
state. A question arose in that case as to the power of the 
city to issue a license. It was denied in the argument of the 
case that the power existed, but the supreme court held that, 
under the power &quot;to regulate the management&quot; of the busi- 
ness, the city had the right to issue a license and to prescribe 
the compensation. That was also under the same law — the 
act of 1872 — whiob conferred power upon cities to grant 
licenses and regula,te omnibus drivers, and ail others pur- 
suing a like occupation, and to prescribe their compensation. 
The supreme court of this state decides in that case that the 
power to require a license is one of the means of regulating 
the exercise of a pursuit or business ; that there are other 
means that might be adopted to accomplish the purpose, but&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/582</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ant that the pledgors were plaintiffs' faotors, and that said 
chattels were the property of the plaintiffs, and that the 
plaintiffs demanded of the defendaut the delivery to them of 
said property, which was refused. These averDiients are fol» 
lowed with the fonnal charge of conversion. 
The answer states that the plaintiffs were indebted to their 
factors for charges and advances on the specifie chattels^ 
witfaout istating the amoant thereof; that said chattels had 
been deposited in a warehouse, and a warehouse receipt 
therefor given to the factors; that said factors pledged to th&amp; 
defendant said chattels and warehouse receipt in order to 
raise means to pay said charges and advances ; and that th&amp; 
defendant, &quot;on the faith of said goods and chattels and ware- 
house receipt, duly indorsed by the factors, loaned to said fac- 
tors $10,557.87, which sum is still due and unpaid.&quot; Th&amp; 
answer does not aver that said sum loaned was the amount 
of advances, etc. ■• 
The second defence is that the defendant did not know, 
etc., that, as to said chattels, the plaintiffs were owners- 
or consignors thereof, and that the pledgors were factors 
merely; but, on the contrary, that said alleged factors, hav- 
ing the warehouse receipt, and the defendant believing said 
factors to be the owners, the defendant did, &quot;on* the faith of 
said receipts,&quot; etc., loan said sum of money to said factors, 
whereupon said chattels were transferred to the defendant, 
and said warehouse receipt indorsed and delivered. 
The demurrer is to the first and second specifie defences, 
as stated, The Jirst is designed to raise the question whether 
a factor cannot, under the Missouri Statutes, assign a ware- 
house receipt, and pledge the chattels to raise money for 
advances and charges to an indefinite amount, even if the 
pledgee knows the factor's relation to the property. If not 
so, the amount of said advances and charges ought to have 
been stated, so that it would appear whether the pledge was 
for a larger sum than the factor's lien. Is it intended to assert 
that if advances and charges exist, or are about to be created, 
the factor m ay pledge ^e?iem%, even when the pledgee knows 
the precise relation of the factors to the property?&lt;noinclude&gt;
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and we now hold that he can pledge them no further. If, 
then, such be his legal rlght, a sait cannot be maintaiued on 
any recognized principle, either against the factor or his 
pledgee, for the conversion of said goodsj uniess, after tender 
and demand, a refusai is made. 
Prior to the Missouri Statutes, the United States supreme 
court deciared, in Warner v. Martin, gupra, that whilst a 
factor could not pledge for a debt of his owa, and if so 
pledged the consignor could recover in trover against the 
pledgee without tender either to the pledgee or factor what 
might be due to either of them, because the pledge was 
tortious; still a factor -who had a lien on the goods could 
deliver them to a third person as security to the estent of his 
lien, in which case a tender of the amount of the lien due 
the factor must be made before reoovery could be bad. The 
opinion of the United States supreme court in that case 
throws much light on tbis controversy ; for, if the contention 
is that under the Missouri Statutes a factor may pledge his 
prineipars goods on the faith of a warehouse receipt, irre- 
spective of the amount of his advances and charges, — that is, 
for any amount he can borrow on the faith of a warehouse 
receipt, — it becomes important to ascertain if sucb a doctrine, 
subversive of the ordinary rights of principal and agent, or 
consignor and consignee, bas any sanction either in statute 
or otherwise. 
In Warner v. Martin, supra, a similar view seems to have 
been urged, and reliance was had on the act of Geo. IV., c. 
94, (1825,) the English factor's act. The United States 
supreme' court, having before it botb the English and the 
New York acts, said: &quot;The third section of that (the New 
York) act provides for those cases where the ownership by the 
factor of goods tyhich he contraots to sell shall be said to 
exist, to give protection to purchasers against any claim of 
the factor's principal. [Tbis is a contract of sale.] It ia 
wben he contracta for any money advanced, or for any ne- 
gotiable instrument or other obligations in writing given for 
merchandise upon the faith that the factor is the owner of it. 
The concluding words of the section are, 'given by snoh other&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/602</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697803</id>
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the petition of . such a party as the one specified ; that such 
party is not legally entitled to call on the respondent to an- 
swer ; that such party is a stranger, and bas no right to 
intervene, not being a creditoFi^and having no interest in aug- 
menting the fund, or in its distribution; and that the dis- 
charge of the bankrupt and the non-existence of assets for 
distribution amount to a close of the proceedings in bank- 
ruptcy, and terminate the power of the court in bankruptcy 
over tiie case. 
Before adjourning the above question the district judge 
expres&amp;ed bis views in a written decision on the question. 
He held that the party applying had such an interest in 
the matter that he could maintain the petition ; that he was 
not a mere stranger, asking to have the act vacated on 
grounds of publie policy, but appeared as a party whose 
rights were injuriously aflfected by the act of the ofiScer of 
the court; that the court had power to relieve him if he made 
out his case ; and that the proceeding in bankruptcy had not 
reached its unal consummation bo long as there remained any 
order, decree, or action for the court, in the proper and usual 
exercise of the jurisdiction in like «ases, to enter or to take, 
or any redress or ielief to be giyen to any party or peraon 
properly applying to the court therefor in the case.* 
The inherent power exists in every court to set aside a 
deed which its officer bas given, gratuitiously and without 
consideration, for no value ex&lt;iept a fee to the officer, where 
the deed was given improvidently, irregularly, or without due 
authority, or where the deed was procured to be executed by 
imposition and fraudulent praetices on the court, or where it 
was designedly so drawn as to be a grant in excess of, or vary- 
ing in material particulars from, the order of the court under 
which it purports to be executed, while the deed is stillin the 
hands of th« party who procured it from the officer, such 
party having procured it under the cireumstances above 
stated, and having notice when he so procured it that the 
irregularities and defecls above referred to existed. ■ 
There isino good faith in such a transaction ; no purchase, 
*Soe Jii^re //y(i?, 3 Fed. Rep. SSa.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/614</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&quot;that the «niform construction; under the clause of the act 
referred to, had been that it was not necessary to aver on the 
record that the defendant was an inhabitantof the district or 
f ound therein ; that it was sufficient if the court appeared to 
have jurisdiction by the citizenship or alienage of the par- 
ties. The exemption from arrest in a district in which the 
defendant was not an ihhabitant, or in which he was not 
found at the time of serving the process, was the privilege of 
the defendant, which he might waive by a voluntary appear- 
auce ; that if process was returned by the marshal as served 
upon him within the district it was sufficient ; and that where 
the defendant voluntarily appeared in the court below, with- 
Ottt taking the exception, it was an admission of the service» 
and a waiver of any further inquiry into the matter,&quot; 
In Ex parte Schollenber^er, 96 U. S. 369, Chief Justice 
Waite says : &quot;The act of eongress prescribing the place where 
a jjerson niay be sued is not one affeeting the general juris- 
diction of the courts. It is rather in the nature of a personal 
eixemption in favor of a defendant, and it is one which he 
may waive. If the citizenship of the parties is sufficient, a 
defendant may consent to be sued anywhere he pleases, and 
certainly jurisdiction wiil not be ousted because he has con- 
sented.&quot; 
These authorities show very clearly, I think, that the de- 
fendants might waive the right to have this suit brought in 
the eastern district, and that by entering its general appear- 
ance in the cause, and its several applications for further 
time in which to answer, I hold that it has waived its right, 
in this case, to except to the jurisdiction of the court; the 
motion will, therefore, be overruled.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
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    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697826</id>
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cuit from the maiarinagnet tc the locking magnet and sec- 
ondary signal, the arrangement of the primary and secondary 
signais with reference to each other, and spme other minor 
points. This application waa completed about the twentieth 
pf December, and immediately upon its completion I took it 
to Washington myself and filed it on; the twenty-first of Decem- 
ber, 1872.&quot; ' , ■ 
On or about February 10, 1873, Pope had a conversatioii 
with Mr. A. G. Davis, superintendent of telegraphs on the 
Baltimore &amp; Ohk) Railroad, in regard, to the introduction of a. 
signal System on that road». and told Davis that he had de- 
vised a plan by which the requisite number of signais on 
eight or ten mile? pf road cpuld be worked from pne battery, 
and that he -was willijgig to undertake to 4o this at any time. 
In March a single signal was put up on the road, but it is 
evident that this signal was npt put up as a sample of the 
one-battery System. Sometime between February lOth and 
April Istj Pope had one oj more conversations with Edwin D. 
McCracken in regard to the System ; but, giving to these inter- 
views the weight whioh they have in Pope's mind, the con- 
versations were simply an ; assertion of what he could do by 
this proposed plan. The only thing thereafter done was to 
make out the application. Mr., Pope says : &quot;As the varions 
parts of the combination, circuit closers, signais, signal ma- 
chinery, etc., had already been thoroughly tested in practice, 
and almost continually, fox over a year, it did not seem to me 
necessary to test the new combination in aetual service be- 
fore making an application for a&gt; patent, as it was a very 
easy matter for any competent electrioian to calculate from 
existing data the amouht of battery power, the size of con- 
ductors, and the proportionate electrioal resistance of the 
different parts, so as to insure the satisfactory operation of 
the System in practice. After completing and filing an ap- 
plication for a patent on an improved track connection which 
had been invented by Mr. Hendrickson, and which was sent 
to Washington and filed on the twenty-fifth day of April, 
1873, I prepared the . application for the patent, which was 
issued July 1, 1873, as No. Ie0,536, and is Exhibit A. This&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/626</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and graduated bands that extead along the top or body of the 
collar from the center, or any other point between the eenter 
and ends thereof, to and beyond the ends of the collar, and 
having the rear button-hole placed above the band or bind- 
ing into the top or body of the collar, substantially as shown 
and described.&quot; 
The claim of the original patent was as follows: &quot;A col- 
lar, A, having sectional bands, B, starting from the center of 
the collar, or any point between the center and ends thereof, 
and continuing with a graduated curve to and beyond the 
ends of the same, substantially as described and shown, and 
for the purpose set for th.&quot; 
It is contended for the defendants that the re-issued pat- 
ent is void because the original patent was valid and oper- 
•itive, find because it contains new matter, and entirely 
changes the charauter of invention set forth in the original 
patent, and because the re-issued patent was intended to 
cover a different collar from that originally invented. This 
re-issue was granted uuder section 4916 of the Eevised Stat- 
utes, which provides as follows: &quot;Whenever any patent is 
inoperative or invalid, by reason of a defective or insufficient 
specification, or by reason of the patentee claiming, as his 
own invention or discovery, more than he had a right to 
claim as new, if the error bas arisen by inadvertence, accident, 
or mistake, and without any fraudulent or deceptive inten- 
tion, the commissioner shall, on the surrender of such patent, 
and the payment of the duty required by law, cause a new 
patent for the same invention, and in accordance with the 
corrected specification, to be issued. • * » The specifi- 
cations and claim in every such case shall be subject to 
revision and restriction in the same manner as original 
applications are. Every patent so re-issned, together with the 
corrected specification, shall have the same effect and opera- 
tion in law, on the trial of ail actions for causes thereafter 
arising, as if the same had been originally filed in such cor- 
rected form ; but no new matter shall be introduced into the 
specification, nor, in case of a machine patent, shall the model 
or drawiiigs be ameuded, except each by the other ; but, when&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/628</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Bu£5cient to support such claim. In one sense such patenl 
is operative and is not inoperative. Yet it is inoperative to 
extend to or claim the real invention, and the description may 
be defective or insufficient to support a claim to the real inven- 
tion, although the drawings and model show the things in 
respect to which the def ect or insufBciency of description exists, 
and show enough to warrant a new claim to the real inven- 
tion. It can never be held, as it never has been held, in a 
case where the point arose for decision, that a patent cannot be 
re-issued where a suit could be sustained on the specification 
and claim as they are. 
The word &quot;specification&quot; wasused in section 13 of the pat- 
ent act of July 4, 1836, (6 St. at Large, 122,) in a differ- 
ent sense from that in which it is used in section 53 of the 
act of July 8, 1870, (16 St. at Large, 205,) and in sec- 
tion 4916 of the Revised Statutes, taken from section 53. 
The provision of section 13 of the act of 1836 was that a pat- 
ent might be re-issued when it was &quot;inoperative or invalid by 
reason of a defective or insufficient description or specifioa^ 
tien,&quot; and the new patent was to be issued with a corrected 
&quot;description ant^ specification.&quot; This language was based 
on that of section 6 of the act of 1836, which required the 
inventor to give in writing a description of his invention, and 
of the manner of making and using it, and also to &quot;particu- 
larly specify and point out&quot; what he claimed as his inven-! 
tion. Under this language the &quot;specification&quot; was the claim, 
and the rest was the description. This distinction was kept 
up in section 13 of the act of 1836. But in section 26 of 
the act of 1870 the word &quot;specify&quot; is omitted, and the words 
&quot;specification and claim&quot; are used, applying the word &quot;spec- 
ification,&quot; in that connection, to the description alone. Thia 
state of things continues in section 4888 of the Eevised Stat- 
utes. Then, as before pointed out, the word &quot;description&quot; 
is omitted in section 53 of the act of 1870 and in section 
4916 of the Eevised Statutes, and the word &quot;specification&quot; 
alone is preserved, meaning, when used without the word 
&quot;claim,&quot; the description and the claim. But the meaning of 
section 13 of the act of 1836, and of section 53 of the actof&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/632</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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to the corn-planter case the views he had set forth in GUI v. 
Wells. These cases are commented on in Herring v. Nelson, 
14 Blatchf. 293, and in Christman v. Ilumsey, 17 Blatchf. 
148. 
In Russell v. Dodge, 93 U. S. 460, the original specifica- 
tion, as appears from Klein v. Russell, 19 Wall. 433, made it 
essential that the fat liquor should be heated to or near the 
boiling point, and then compounded with the other substances 
named, and then applied to the skins. The description to 
that effect was clear. The claim claimed &quot;the process sub- 
stantially as herein described of treating bark-tanned lamb 
or sheep-skin by means of a compound composed and applied 
essentially as specified.&quot; The specification of the re-issue 
stated that it was desirable to beat the fat liquor to or near 
the boiling point, and that it was preferred to use the same 
iri connection with other ingredients, which other ingredients 
were named. The mode of application was set forth, and was 
to be by applying either the ,fat liquor or the compound to the 
^kin. , ,The claims of the re-issue were these: &quot;(1) The em- 
ployment of fat liquor in the treatment of leather, substan- 
tially as, specified. (2) The process, substantially as herein 
described, of treating bark-tanned lamb or sheep-skin by 
means of a compound composed and applied essentially 
as specified.&quot; In Russell v. Dodge tke court held that the 
re-issue was (1) for the use of fat liquor in any condi- 
tion, hot or cold, in the treatment of leather, and (2) for a 
process of treating the skin by means of a compound in which 
fat liquor is the principal ingredient; that thus the re-issue 
covered the use of the fat liquor, hot or cold, and when used 
alone or in a compound with other ingredients; that the 
le-issue omitted important particulars, so as to enlarge the 
scope of the invention ; and that the change made, by elim- 
inating the neoessity of using the fat liquor in a heated con- 
dition, and by making its use in that condition a mere matter 
of convenience, enlarged the character and scope of the in- 
vention, and made the re-issue a patent for a different inven- 
tion. This decision may well be a precedent for a case like 
it in its facts. But in every case a re-issue must be adjudged&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/634</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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advautages of the new collar in' the same terms that are used 
in the re-is8ue. The .bands are described in both as extend- 
ing from the center of the collar, or from some point between 
tBe center and the ends, each way to and beyond the ends. 
In the original the ba,nds are called &quot;sectional bands&quot; and 
&quot;short or sectional bands.&quot; In the re-issue they are called 
&quot;curved and graduated bands,&quot; and &quot;graduated bands,&quot; and 
&quot;shorter graduated bands.&quot; But in the original the bands 
are described as continuing, after they start, &quot;with a gradu- 
ated curve to and beyond the ends of the collar,&quot; and &quot;with 
a graduated curve and increasing width to and beyond the 
ends of the collar. &quot; The drawings in the original and the 
re-issue are identical. The drawings show the rear button- 
hole as thrown into the top or body of the collar above the 
band, but the specification of the original omitted any de- 
scription of such location of the button-hole. The original 
specification states that &quot;the use of the short or sectional 
bands produces a saving of material as compared to the old 
style of continuons band.&quot; The description in the re-issue 
states that &quot;the shorter graduated bands produce also a con- 
siderable saving of material as compared to the old style of 
continuons band that extends at uniform width along the 
lower part of the collar.&quot; Tbis was a proper correction, as 
it is evident that the expression &quot;continuons band&quot; in the 
original, in that connection, meant a continuons band of uni- 
form width, because the original provided for a continuous 
band of decreasing width from the ends towards the middle, 
each way. The band would be continuous, if the two sec- 
tional bands started from the center, but would not be of uni- 
form width, because the parts proceed with a graduated curve 
and increasing width. A division at the center into two sec- 
tional bands would not make the whole band any less a con- 
tinuous band with ,a graduated curve and increasing width 
towards each end, nor would the use of a continuous band of 
the latter description make the parts of it each side of the 
center anj the less sectional bands. Neither would be a con- 
tinuous band of uniform width, and, as compared with that, 
there would be a saving of material by the use of either ar-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/636</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697841</id>
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that neither No. 3 nor No. 16 bas the same action on the neck- 
band of a low-cut shirt that the Wilson collar has. 
The defendants claim to have sbown that collars with a 
graduated band, being a continuons band, narrow in the con- 
ter, and having the baek button-hole in the body of the col- 
lar, and in substance like the defendants' collars, F, G, H, and 
I, existed before Wilson's invention. Mr. Coon, one of the 
defendants, testifies that in December, 1876, or January, 
1877, which was before Wilson's invention, he saw at J. S. 
Lowery &amp; Co.'s., in the city of New York, a collar like the 
defendants' collar, H, with the button-hole in the body of the 
collar, above the band. Neither the collar he so saw, nor any 
collar that was at Lowery &amp; Co.'s at that date, is produced. 
He is asked whether the band was narrowest in the center, 
and he replies, &quot;I should tbink it was.&quot; On eross-examina- 
tion, he states that he had known Lowery &amp; Co. for 15 years 
or more, and been in the habit of selling to them; that he 
saw there only a few samples of the collar referred to ; that 
he bought none and took none away; that that was the first 
time he had seen any of such collars; and that he was not 
impressed with them at ail, and did not pay much attention 
to them, and did not think it worth while to make any like 
them. The success of the Wilson collar, and the fact that 
the defendants made none of their infringing collars till af ter 
they had seen the Wilson collar, and the fact that the Wilson 
collar supplied a want in the mechanical construction of a 
collar which , had been felt, and that many arrangements, 
more or less successful, had been devised to try and attain 
the resuit attained by the Wilson collar, go very far to show 
that no collar known to the. trade prier to the Wilson collar 
could have been substantially the Wilson collar, or it would 
at once have been taken up and have met with the same suc- 
cess which attended the Wilson collar. On this view, and on 
the evidence of Mr. Coon, taken as a whole, about this Low- 
ery collar, it cannot be held to have been shown satisfacto- 
rily that the defendants' collars existed in that collar before 
Wilson's invention. 
Mr. Merwiu testiues that he sold some finished four-in-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/640</title>
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The Schooner May &amp; Eva. 
{District Court, D. New Jersey. AprU 8, 1881.) 
1 JbTTISON — AVBBAGB CoNTBIBtTTION— DbOK LOAD. 
If a deck load is jettiaoned for the common beneflt, the owners are 
entitled to a general average contribution for the loss sustained, al- 
though the shipper and master both agreed that the cargo should be 
carried on deck. 
In Admiralty. Libel in rem. 
H. G. Ward, for libellants. 
Henry B. Edmunds, for respondents. 
Nixon, D. J. The libellants in this case were the owners 
of a cargo of iron pipes, shipped on board of the schooner 
May &amp; Eva, at MOI ville, New Jersey, on the fourteenth day 
of October, 1879, for which the master signed two bills of 
lading in precisely similar terms or import ; one for 31 tons, 
to be delivered in the city of New York, and the other for 68 
tons, to be delivered at the United States military academy 
at West Point, in the state of New York. These bills of lad- 
ing, signed by the tnaster, stato that the said cargo Was to be 
carried in and upon the said schooner. In the course of the 
voyage the vessel encounteted very tempestuous weather, 
which endangered the safety of herself and cargo, and the 
master threw overboard from the deck load 28 of the irou 
pipes, valued at $228.37. 
The libel is tiled by the owners of the cargo thus jettisoned 
against the vessel, her freight, and remaining cargo, for a gen- 
erai average contribution for the loss thus sustained for the 
common benefit, and claims for the owners such amounts of 
money respectively as their values bear in proportion to the 
value of the cargo sacrifioed, and avers that upon a proper 
adjustment of the general average the sum due from the ves- 
sel is $177.29, and for the freights ^3.75. 
The answer put in by the respondents denies none of the 
material allegations of the libel, but submits that on the 
facts stated the libellants are not entitled to a deoree, for the 
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enth of April one Cropsey entered one quarter section included 
in the grant, and afterwards a patent therefor was issued to 
him. Knevals claims under the railroad company, and Hyde 
under Cropsey, and the first question arising in the case was 
whether the grant to the company took effect when the map 
was filed with the secretary of the interior, or when it was 
received by the local officers. The grant contained the con- 
dition that the road should be built to a junction with the 
Union Pacifie Eailroad, or one of its branches, within ten 
years, The road was built to a junction with the Burlington 
i &amp; Missouri Eiver Eailroad in Nebraska within the time lim- 
ited, but not to the Union Pacific, and it was objeaied by the 
defendant that the Burlington was not a branch of the Union 
Pacific, and therefore that the condition had been broken and 
the lands forfeited. It was also objected that Cropsey was a 
bonafide purchaser -cTithout notice of-the location of the rail- 
road, and therefore was entitled to protection against its 
claims. 
J. M. Wodworth, for plaintiff. , 
,,, jB. IFloAeiey, for defendait, ,. 
MiiiLEB, ' 0. J. 1 . I' ani of the opinion that within the 
' meahirig' of the first 'eectioti bit;he'act of coirereasofJaly 23, 
1866, (ehapter' 212, of that session,) graniirig lands to the 
state of Kansas for the use and benefit of the St,&gt;. Joseph &amp; 
Denver City Eailroad Company, &quot;the lime or route of the ro^d&quot; 
^as &quot;definitely fixed&quot; When'' on thetwenty-eighthof March, 
1870, a map Of said location, adopted'by the'board of direct- 
ors of the company, was received by and filed with the secre- 
tary of the interior as the law required. It follows that on 
that day the right to the use and benefit of the sections of 
land designated by odd numbers, within 10 sections on each 
side of that line, became vested in the company, ineluding 
the quarter section now in controversy, unless it had been pre- 
viously sold, or otherwiee came within the excepting clause of 
the act, 
2. The origin of defendant's adverse title is a purchase 
made from the United States through its land officers 14 days 
after the rights of the company had vested. The equitable&lt;noinclude&gt;
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LowELL, C. Ji Those three actions of trespass and false 
imprisonment were submitted to the court without a jury. 
In July, 1876, the defendant StWe brought an action of tro- 
vei against the plaintiff Barnes in the Bupreme court of 
Ehode Island, and caused him to be arrested on mesne pro- 
cess. The plaintiff gave bail. After several trials a verdict 
■was rendered for Steere for a large amount, and judgment 
was entered for him, upon which execution was issued and 
returned no» est. On the third of December, 1878, Barnes 
waa surrendered by his baiUto the defendant Viall, the jailor 
of the Providence county jail,andtwodays afterwards Barnes 
caused a tort citation to be issued to Steere, under chapter 216 
of the General Statutes of Ehode Island, requiring him to pay 
the board of Barnes within ten days, which he did.* Ou the 
second of January, 1879, Barnes not having been committed 
on execution in pursuance of section 5, c. 218, of said stat- 
utes, required the defendant Viall to discharge him, but 
agreed to stay until the next morning. Viall, in the mean- 
time, consulted counsel, and saw the clerk of the court. On 
the morning of January 3d the prisoner was discharged by 
an entry on the jail-book, giving the isause, and thereupon left 
the office i but was presently after arrested .by a deputy sher- 
♦Qeitebai:, Btatuibs of Rhode Island, c. 216. 
Section 1. Any person who shall be imprisoned upon original writ, 
mesne process, execution, or surrender or commitment by bail in any 
action on penal statutes, or In any action of trover, detinue, trespass, tres- 
pass. and ejectment, or trespass quare damurafregit, in which the title to 
the close was not in dispute between the parties, or in any action of the 
case for words spoken, and who shall complain, on oath, to the keeper of 
the jail in which he is imprisoned, that he has no estatef real or personal, 
wherewith to support himself in jail or pay jail charges, shall be entitled 
to a citation as hereinafter provided. 
Sec. 2. If such keeper shall believe such complalnt to be true, he shall 
forthwith issue a citation, under his hand and seal, to the plaintifE at 
whose suit the complainant is imprisoned, if the plaintiff resides in thia 
State! or, if he does not reside within this state, then to his agent or attor- 
ney of record; or, if he has no agent or attorney of record, then to the per- 
son who indorsed the plaintifE's writ as surety. 
Sec. 3. Such citation shall set forth that such prisoner has made com- 
plaint as aforesaid, and that such prisoner will be discharged unless 
the sum of three dollar^ per week be, within 10 days.from the time of 
the service of such citation, paid to the sai^ keeper, in advance, for the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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facts, then, if the wit or order is erroneous, it is the mistake 
of the court; aiid.iBince it is highly inexpedient that a judge 
shonld actat the petil of damages, there is no redress. This 
is 80 in Bome cases, evenwhere the judge has not jurisdiction, 
if he decides that he has it. If, however, the facts are falsely 
and maliciously stated to the judge, the person guilty of the 
malice is liable in an action on the case. But if the act is 
throoghout the act of the party, and there is no actual judicial 
finding, trespass will lie for the injury whether it was commit- 
ted with or without malice. The only diiierence is in the 
damages. In this country, and especiaUy in New England, 
the writ of execution is not gtanted by a judge, but issues as 
matter of course from the clerk's office ; and there are many 
decisions that a justice or clerk -who issues such a writ does 
it ministerially, and not judicially, and therefore is responsi- 
ble in damages if On¥ is issued oontrary to law upon the facts 
■within his knowledge. See Briggs v. WardweU, 10 Mass. 356; 
Fisher v. Deans, lOT Mass. 118; Andrews v. Marris, 1 Q. B. 
3; Carratt y: Morley, Id. 18; Lewis v. Palmer, 6 Wend. 36T. 
In this case there was nothing upon the records of the 
supreme court to instruct the clerk that the plaintiff had been 
imprisoned for more than thirty days, and therefore he was 
not wrong in issuing the execution in the form usual in such 
cases. The authorities are likewise many which hold that 
when a plaintiff, through his attorney, procures an execution 
or other writ which issues as of course, and which he has no 
iight to have, both the plaintiflf and the attorney are liable 
in trespass : the plaintiff, because the attorney acts for him 
in the due course of his employment ; and the attorney, be- 
cause in tort the oommand of a superior is no def ence. Deyo 
V. Van Valkenburg, 5 Hill, 242; Kerrv. Mount, 28 N. Y. 659; 
Bates V. Pilling, 6 B. &amp; C. 38 ; Codrington v. Lloyd, 8 A. &amp; E. 
449; Oreen v. Elgie, 5 Q. B. 114. 
The leading case upon thia subject is Barker v. Braham, 3 
Wils. 3O8. There the attorney of a crediter caused execution 
to be issued against the person of an administratrix, when it 
fehould have been only against the gooda of the intestate in 
her hands. Trespass was sustained against the attorney and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/694</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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to show that the defendant's signature to the note had been 
proeured by fraud was irrelevant, under the issue of non est 
factum, and the case was affirmed on the ground that the 
defendant below was guilty of negligence in signing the note, 
and that the plaintiff below acquired the note after it became 
due, but from prier indorsees, who, for anything that appeared, 
to the eontrary, were bonajide holders. &quot;But,&quot; say the court, 
&quot;when either party demurs to the evidence his demurrer must 
be ruled upon according to the practice in this state, in view 
of ail the evidence which bas been given in the cause at the 
time the demurrer was filed.&quot; 
Other Indiana cases were cited in support of the demurrer, 
but they need not be reviewed, as I think the law is correctly 
stated in Fowle v. Common Council of Alexandria. 
In the case in hand, the plaintiff had no right to assume 
that she had sustained the affirmation of the issue and de- 
murrer to the defendant's evidence. 
There was no joinder in the demurrer, which was neces- 
sary, and the proper admissions were not made in the de- 
murrer, or upon the record, upon which the court could found 
a judgment. A new trial is the only solution of the embar- 
rassment. 
United States v. Davis. 
[District Court, D. Massachusetts. 1881.) 
Indictment — Rbv. St. § 5023. 
An indictment under section 5523 of the Revised Statutea, for a 
refusai to aaawer a lawful inquiry of the supervisor of elections, in 
the verification of a registration list, must aver that such inquiries 
were made of the defendant at the place assigned by him in such Ust 
as his place of residence. 
Bamb — Ameitdmbnt — Rbv. St. § 1025. 
Such omission is matter of substance, and cannot be aided by amend- 
ment under section 1025 of the Revised Statutea. — [Ek&gt; 
E. W. Bmdett, for the United States. 
A. Lawrence, Jr., for defendant.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/700</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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faith or collusion on his part being averred by the parties 
seeking to set aside the sale, and the fact appearing that he 
actually paid the priee bid, which is not alleged to have been 
inadequate. The allegation that Jordan Mott's'interest in 
the lands was worth $500,000 is not and cannot, consistently 
with other averments of the petition, be construed as an alle- 
gation that the iaterest of the assignee was of greater value 
than the priee paid. 
It is claimed, however, that on the facts alleged in the 
petition the order of the court under which the sale was made 
was void on several grounds, and also that the sale was not 
made in conformity with the order, if that was valid. 
The first objection to the order is that the court in the 
order of sale did not appoint the time of sale. The ninth 
section of the bankrupt act provided that ail sales should be 
&quot;at such times and in such manner as should be ordered and 
appointed by the court in bankruptcy,&quot; It is argued that 
congress intended that the court should fix the day and hour 
at which the sale should take place. Such has not been the 
practical construction put upon the statute by the court, and 
in the many orders of sale made under that law none are 
referred to in which the day and hour of the sale were fixed 
by the court. The making of an order directing the assignee 
to sell, is ordering the time of sale within the meaning of the 
statute. The order amounts to a direction that the sale 
should be made at once, with reasonable diligence, and this 
is a practical and sufficient complianee with the statute. 
The further objection — that the assignee, by adjourning the 
sale from the time first fixed, appointed the time of the sale, 
instead of the court, as required by the statute — is answered 
by the same suggestions. It is suggested, indeed, in the 
argument, that there is no sufficient evidence that the sale 
was regularly adjourned to the eleventh of September, when 
it was actually made. It does, however, appear that such an 
adjournment was advertised in the newspaperas havingbeen 
made by the assignee. This, together with the general pre- 
sumption that a public officer does his duty, is, I think, suf -&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/704</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>697981</id>
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the order and direction of the court, a general rule (62) was 
inade, under which the assignee might aet, without applying 
to the court in the particular case to designate the newspa- 
pers in which he should advertise ; but this general rule was 
not designed to restrict the court from making a special order 
as to the manner of sale, which the court was, by the ninth 
section, expressly authorized to do. This is made entirely 
clear by rule 61, which must be read in connection with rule 
62, and which provided that &quot;the sale of the bankrupt's 
estate shall be at public auction, and for cash, unless, on the 
report of the assignee, or with his assent, it is otherwise 
specially ordered by the court.&quot; 
Eule 62, which immediately follows, was designed to carry 
this into effect, and relates only to auction sales without 
special order, the court thus directing, under section 9 of the 
act, that the assignee might in* ail cases sell at once or at any 
time at public auction, upon giving the notice prescribed in 
that rule. As to rule 70, it bas no direct application to sales 
under special orders of the court, for they are not &quot;proceed- 
ings in bankruptcy required to be published in newspapers,&quot; 
either by the statute itaelf or by any other rule. Thefe is, 
therefore, no force in this objection, and the order being in 
conformity with the ninth section of the act, and not in viola- 
tion of any rule of the court, was entirely regular in this 
respect. ' It is not intended, by putting the decision on the 
ground that the order of sale and the sale were not in the par- 
ticulars complained of irregular, to intimate, or to give any 
support to the claim of the petitioners, that a judicial sale to 
a honafide purchaser, consummated by a conveyance and the 
payment of the consideration, can be avoided because of such 
error of the court, if there had been errors, the court or the 
assignee having jurisdiction to order the sale. The general 
rule undoubtedly is, as to honafide purchaser s at judicial sales, 
that the only questions open are power in the court and good 
faith in the purchaser. Voorhees v. U. S. Bank, 10 Peters, 477, 
and cases cited. But what would be the effect of these al- 
leged irregularities, if they had been such, it is not necessary 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/710</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ally some days-baek, and send to me an order on James K. 
Hill, Esq., to permit me to examine the bocks now in hi» 
charge, I shall have no hesitation in furnishing you with sucb 
further data as you may require.&quot; On the third day of June, 
18T3j be wrote to the defendant, through his agent, as fol- 
lows: &quot;In reply to your note of this date, in which you say 
that ■ in regard to any claim which you may represent against 
the Yetterlein estate in bankruptcy it seems to me that the 
proper course for you to pursue is to present it in the usual 
way to J. K. Hill,' I have to answer that I do not represent 
any claim against the estate of the Vetterleins in bankruptcy. 
The communication which I addressed to you on the twenty- 
seventh ultimo is explicit, and unless I have the answer asked 
for I shall be compelled to proceed as therein set forth.&quot; On 
the twentieth day of February, 1874, he wrote again to de- 
fendant, by his agent, as follows : &quot;I beg to acknowledge the 
receipt of your favor of the eighteenth instant, in which you 
say you prefer to allow all disputed points at issue in the 
Vetterlein estate to remain in abeyance until the government 
case is disposed of, etc., and that you hope to hear very soon 
of Bome dejinite resuit in the United States case, and as you 
are enjoined from making any payment at present, no loss 
can accrue to me or to my client by reason of some little 
further delay. The fact of the&quot; pendency of the United States 
case, and that you are enjoined from making any payments, 
does not, it seems to me, prevent you from fully considering 
now the matter in question. That is all that is asked at pres- 
ent. If you bear in mind that my client has already waited 
over two years, you must admit it is not unreasonable that 
they are not satisfied to await the issue of a case in which 
they have not the least interest. To repeat, all that is asked 
now is a just and equitable consideration and some definite 
action.&quot; 
Notwithstanding the demand for an account and definite 
action contained in these letters, and the refusai to postpone 
the matter as proposed by the defendant, the plaintifi took no 
other steps to enforce his alleged rights till about the first day 
of June, 1878, when, by his same agent, he wrote the defend-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/712</title>
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account with Th. H. Vetterlein &amp;'Sons.&quot; In this second 
account, wMch runs from October 23, 1865, to December 21, 
1870, the plaintifE is charged with various payments in cash 
down to the twenty-eighth of November, 1870. He is cred- 
ited with the above-mentioned balance of the account with 
the former firm; also with $2,622, his share of the profits 
up to December 30, 1865, which sum is credited to him on 
the books of the firm, also with the sums of $20 and $50 cash 
paid at different times to the firm, with which the books 
also credit him. This second account is made up with semi- 
annual rests, and the plaintiff is credited with interest 
amounting in ail to $8,629.87. He is charged with one item 
which appears to be a payment by the firm on an individual 
adventure of his own, $4,904.51; also with $1,479.65, a 
transfer in Vetterlein &amp; Co.'s ledger. It appears by that 
ledger that a debit balance to this amount against the plain- 
tiff was balanced by charging the same to Th. H. Vetterlein 
&amp; Sons, but no corresponding entry was made in the books 
of the latter firm. The credit balance of this second account 
is $19,187.91, and this constitutes the firsfc item in the ac- 
&lt;}ount rendered by the plaintiff to the defendant with the let- 
ter of his agent, dated June 1, 1878. The demand in said let- 
ter not being complied with, the plaintiff commenced this suit 
in November, 1879. This suit is sought to be maintained by 
the learned counsel for the plaintiff as a suit by a sole suiv- 
ent partner to recover the assets of the firm of which he was 
a member, for the purpose of liquidating the afiairs of the 
firm and distributing them according to the rights of the sev- 
eral partners and their representatives. The firms as to 
which this claim is made appear to have been solvent when 
dissolved, and, so far as appears, the plaintiff is a solvent part- 
ner of such of them as he was a member of, though there is 
no evidence that Bernard Vetterlein and Henry Thurman, 
who were partners in the firm of Th. H. &amp; B. Vetterlein &amp; 
Co., and Charles A. Meniar, of Vetterlein &amp; Co., are not also 
solvent. It is, undoubtedly, the right of a sole remaining 
solvent partner to demand and take from his insolvent co-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Suivent partner to obtain possession of the assets of his former 
firm for the purpose of liquidation, if that right had been 
reasonably demanded, I think it is clearly too late now for 
him to exercise it as agaiust the defendant, Theodore H. 
Vetterlein, as one of the members in all these firms, though 
a bankrupt, had some interest in all their remaining assets. 
To put the case most favorably for the plaintiff, Theodore H. 
Vetterlein and Bernard T. Vetterlein had possession of them 
as liquidators, with an interest in them on the part of Theo- 
dore H. Vetterlein. The assignee finding them in their pos- 
session takes and holds them, having reason to believe and 
■claiming that they belonged to the bankrupts. The plaintiff 
appeared on the books of these several firms as a debtor, with- 
•out apparent interest in these assets, even if they still kept 
their distinctive character as assets of the .firms to which 
they originaily belonged. The assignee administered on them 
as assignee, denying the plaintiff's right to an account and 
payment out them, which was alone then his claim. It seems 
to me clear that, independently of the statuts of limitations, 
the plaintiff's right, if he ever had any, to administer on these 
assets as the sole remaining solvent partner is lost by laches. 
He knew of the bankruptcy, Then was the time for him to 
assert this right, if he had it. He f ailed to do so. After about 
two years he demanded an account of money collected and 
payment of his pretended balances due, and after about ten 
years from the time, if ever, his right to liquidate accrued to 
him, he bas brought suit. This right of a solvent partner is a 
privilege which he may assert or may waive. If he permita his 
insolvent partner or the representative of his insolvent part- 
ner to go un and administer the assets, he waives his privi- 
lege, and this, I think, the plaintiff has done. It seems to me, 
also, that the two-years' bar under section 5057 applies to 
this suit as a suit to recover these assets. The right really 
accrued, if at all, against the bankrupts upon their failure, or 
at any rate against the assignee as soon as he assumed con- 
trol over these assets, upon his appoinment as alleged in the 
bill. 
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decision will be my apology for a discussion, which, a few 
■weeks since, -would have been unnecessary. The case is The 
Giant Powder Go. v. The California Vigorit Powder Go. 18 0. 
G. 1339; S. C. 4 Fed. Eep. 720.* In it the learned judge is 
understood to declare that if the court can discover, upon a 
comparison of the two instruments, that there was no defect- 
ive specification to be amended, and that the elaim was not 
broader than the invention, the action by the commissioner 
in granting a re-issue was in excess of his jurisdiction, and 
void ; and that if the patentee claims too little, instead of too 
much, his specification is not defeotive by reason of that mis- 
take, but ail which he did not claim was dedicated to the 
public. I do not mean to say that I consider the decision to 
be as extensive as this; but it is so understood by some mem- 
bers of the bar; and there are remarks in the opinion which 
lend a color to such a construction. 
The Kevised Statutes simply re-enact the law upon this 
subject which ;has been in force since 1836: &quot;Whenever any 
patent isinoperative or invalid, by reason of a defeotive or 
insufficient specification, or by reason of the patentee claim- 
ing as his own invention or discovery more than he had a 
right to claiui as new, if the error has arisen by inadvertence, 
accident, or mistake, and without any fraudulent or decep- 
tive intention, the commissioner shall, on the surrender of 
such patent, and the payment of the duty required by law, 
cause a new patent for the same invention, and in acoord- 
ance with the corrected specification, to be issued.&quot; Section 
4916. 
The most natural construction of this law would, perhaps, 
be, that if a patent should be inoperative by reason of a defeot- 
ive specification, or invalid for claiming too much, the defeot 
might be supplied, or the excessive claim be reduced by re- 
issue. But the courts have given a very different interpreta- 
tion — much wider in most respects, and narrower in only one. 
They do not permit a defeotive specification to be supplied, 
■excepting from the drawiugs or model; but they do per- 
mit the claim to be varied, provided the same invention is 
See S. C, 5 Fed. Rep. 197.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/732</title>
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So it will operate and produce its results as a presser-foot, 
though not ail the results, when the grooves have been made in 
the stay-strip before it is sewed. 
The re-issue, then, was granted in order to enable the pat- 
entee to claim the aotual operations of his tool in detail, 
which is a perfectly legitimate reason for a re-issue, until the 
law is changed by congress or the supreme court. 
One great dispute of faet is whether the invention was, in 
faetj new. One Turner swears that he made a presser-foot 
of the same sort seven years earlier. Turner wasemployed 
by the plaintiffs to sell their presser-foot, and, while ;so em- 
plbyed, tried to undersell them with one of his own. For 
this fraud he was discharged, and went into the employ of 
the defendants, and procured a patent on his presser-foot. 
How this came to be granted, without an interference, I am 
not informed. The invention appears to me to be, in substance, 
identical with that of the plaintiff. However, Turner says 
that this was a revival of a presser-foot which he had made 
years before, and there is some testimony to support him. It 
is open to the criticism so often made upon such remembered 
inventions, which never went into general use. Against it, 
the plaintiffs bring strong negative evidence of many persons 
who must have seen and used the thing if it existed. They 
go further, and bring thirty witnesses to impeach the charac- 
ter of Turner for truth ; and two who swear that he tried to 
bribe them to remember his presser-foot. None of the evi- 
dence to oharacter is met, or attempted to be met, excepting 
by the testimony of one of the defendants. It is not made 
out, to my satisfaction, that Turner made his presser-foot 
before Sutherland made his. 
The respondents insist that Turner's presser-foot, whenever 
it may have been invented,. differs essentially from that of 
Sutherland, in that it has its central recession or depression 
much deeper than those upon the sides, so that it will fit much 
better the ordinary shape of an outward turned seam, This 
argument is used both as to nbvelty and as to infringement. 
I find, however, as matter of fact, that Sutherland's foot ia&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/738</title>
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of the Eeyised Statutes, and alleged that the eomplainants 
owned a patent, granted to them December 24, 1872, as 
assignees of one L. D. Benner, for an improvement in paper 
bags, of which Benner was the original and first inventer; 
that the defendants held a patent, dated February 20, 1872, 
for an improvement alleged to have been invented by Luther 
C. Crowell; that the patents interfered; and the eomplain- 
ants prayed that the defendants' patent might be declared 
void. The answer denied that Benner was the prier inventer 
of the improvement patented to the eomplainants; insisted 
that Crowell was the inventer of that held by the defendants ; 
neither confessed ner denied the interference; but concluded 
with the prayer that the eomplainants' patent should be ad- 
judged void. The court eonsidered the issues upon these 
pleadings, and, on a comparison of the specifications of the 
two patents, held that they described and claimed the same 
invention, and that Crowell was the true and first inventor; 
thus reversing the judgment of the patent-office, which had 
deelared an interference, examined the case, and decided in 
favor of Benner. The deeree passed by the court declared 
the defendants' patent to be good and valid, and the eom- 
plainants' to be void. 
The only other case, involving a construction of the section 
under consideration, that I have been able to find, is that of 
Foster v. Lindsay, 3 Dill. 126, in which Judge Treat, sitting 
in the circuit court for the eastern district of Missouri, ex- 
pressly held that the section vested the power in the court to 
adjudge.either of the interfering patents void, in whele or in 
part, and also authorized a deeree that both patents were 
void, The learned judge found a support to bis opinion in 
fhe allusion made by the supreme court in Mowry v. Whitney, 
14 Wall. 440, to the scope and purport of the sixteenth section 
of the act of 1836. The defendant had set up in his answer 
that both of the interfering patents were void for want of 
novelty. The court allowed the defence to the action, and said 
that the power conferred by the etatute to declare either of 
the patents invalid, in whele or in part, necessarily included 
full authority, where the evidence justified, on the issues made.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/748</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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respect, (if we omit the bill of sale and accompanyingpaper,) 
and while his conduct may posaibly have been honest and 
fair, appearances are against him. The circumstances under 
which he claims to have purchased the boat are calculated to 
exoite suspicion, The situation of the libellant, an illiterate 
man, in necessitous circumstances, in the respondent's em- 
ployment; seriously embarrassed by the injury to his boat; 
the inadequacy of the alleged consideration; the resort to 
unfaimess, in arresting the libellant on a charge of larceny, 
to obtain possession, are circumstances which cannot be over- 
looked in considering the claim which the respondent sets up. 
His aclsnowledged offer of $50 to &quot;get rid&quot; of the libellant 
and obtain possession of the boat, just before making the 
charge of larceny, is not consistent with his claim; and his 
statement that if the repairs had been found to oost $500, he 
would have paid libellant $100, notwithstanding the contract 
did not require it, does not tend to inspire confidence in his 
candor. In short, while the libellant's statement seems con- 
sistent and probable, in itself, and is corroborated in important 
particulars, that of the respondent seems inconsistent and 
improbable, and is wholly without corroboration, — aside from 
the papers referred to. 
I find, therefore, as matter of fact, that imposition was 
practiced in obtaining the libellant's signature, to the bill of 
sale and accompanying paper, and that the contract between 
the parties was simply for the services of the libellant and his 
boat, on the terms he bas stated. 
If the contract amounted to a pledge of the boat for the 
sum advanced, (and it probably did,) the evidence, I think, jus- 
tifies a belief that respondent bas been paid by the money 
retained. 
A decree wiU, for these reasons, be entered in favor of the 
libellant.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/760</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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assigning the reaaons for its action, the court {Daly, J.) held 
that it was its duty to examine the right of removal; that, as 
the right of removal depended on the nature of the contro- 
versy, such right must be determined by an inspection of the 
complaint, as the only pleading then before the court ; that 
the petition for removal was not a pleading, and could not 
vary the cause of action stated in the complaint ; that the 
defendant could not use bis petition as a pleading to raise an 
issue with the plaintiff on the allegations of the complaint, 
and show a controversy entitling him to remove the cause; 
that the deniai in the petition as to George S. Mallory did 
not show the controversy to be one wholly between the peti- 
tioner and the plaintiff ; that if the .complaint states a cause of 
acMon which can be determined only when ail the parties to 
the action are before the court, a deniai by one of the de- 
feiidanta of the facta eet forth. in the complaint does not sever 
the controversy a» to him, npr show that the cause may pro- 
ceed afi against himself witljout the presence of the other 
d&amp;f0ndant; that an injunotipii ia not the sole object of the. 
action as re&amp;peets M. H. Mallory, as reqi^ired by subdivision 
3*of section 639! of the EeviBQdf^tatutes of the United. States ; 
that.'UDider that subdivision,: thereicannot.be la, filial deter- 
luinatioEi of thei controversy, sp far 8,3 concerns him, without 
the;prp8ence of G;, S. Mallory as a, .defendait, under the alle- 
ga[&lt;tipn8 in the complaint; aad that wxder section 3 o| the act 
of:Mareh 5, 1875, (18 St. at Large, 470,) there isnot a con- 
troversy which is whoUy between the plaintiff and M. H. 
Mallory, and which can be fully determined as between 
them, for the reason that, on the complaint, the plaintiff has 
no controversy with M. H. Mallory separate from G. S. Mal- 
lory. 
There has been filed in this court, on the part of one or 
both of the defendants, a copy, certiiied by the clerk of the 
stajte, court, of the record of that court. The plaintiff now 
moves in this court to remand the cause to the state court. 
The motion is opposed by counsel for M. H. Mallory. It is 
contended by him that the question of the existence of the 
facts on which the right of removal depends is an issuable&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/766</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that the respondent is a trustee for the benefit of the com- 
plainant of all the moneys, bills of lading,,accounts, mer- 
chandise, chattels, and other property obtained by said Lewis 
through or by means of said action, attachment, judgment, 
execution, or sheriff's sale, or transferred or delivered to or 
received by him from said Schoenfeld, from said Newman, or 
from any other person, and also for such further and other 
relief, etc. ; also, for an injunction and writ of ne exeat. 
The facts and circumstances which constituted the fraud are 
particularly and fully set forth in the bill. Ita allegations are 
snstained beyond all doubt or deniai by the proofs. It is, 
perhaps, not easy to imagine a grosser case of conspiracy by 
merchants of fair repute to cheat and defraud their creditors, 
or one where the proofs could be more convincing and indis- 
putable. The testimony is very voluminous. But the evi- 
dence to establish the fraud is that of seven witneases only, 
viz., Lewis, Newman, Hyams, Schoenfeld, Naphtaly, Sharp, 
and Bremer, nearly all of whom were active participants in 
the fraud, either at its inception or during its progress or at 
its consummation. 
I shall not attempt to give a detailed account of the various 
transactions by which the respondent, at the instance and by 
the aid of Newman and Schoenfeld, two of the three mem- 
bers of the firm, succeeded in getting possession of the entire 
assets of the partnership, to the exclusion of all its eastern 
and foreign creditors, and of nearly all its creditors in this 
state. It will be sufficient to state the nature and effect of 
the fraudulent conspiracy, and in a general way the means 
by which those objects were attained. The' firm of Schoen- 
feld, Cohen &amp; Co. was composed of three partners — Louis S. 
Schoenfeld, Isaac Newman, and Simon Cohen. Its capital 
was 130,000, contributed ^$15,000 each) by Schoenfeld and 
Newman. Cohen was to contribute for a certain period his 
skill and experience in the business, and thereaf ter to f urnish 
$15,000 to the capital, or pay interest on such portion thereof 
as he should fail to furnish. Each partner was to be at lib- 
erty to draw $050 per month for personal expenses. In Jan- 
Tifiry, 1877, it was determined between Schoenfeld and New-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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were then held by the London &amp; San Francisco Bank, hav- 
ing been hypothecated by Newman to secure a private loan 
of $6,000. The money had been originally obtained, as 
Newman asserted, and as appears to be the fact, from the 
respondent, and there is evidence tending to show that New- 
man had, without the knowledge of his partners, executed a 
note in the firm name to Lewis for $17,000 of the amount. 
On this point the testimony is conflicting. Itis net material; 
for the note, if executed, was a fraud upon his other part- 
ners, and the respondent well knew that the firm note to New- 
man for the loan was outstanding. It had, in fact, been 
transferred by Newman to Lewis, and had been by the latter 
lent to Newman to enable him to deposit it as collateral 
security for his loan from the bank. At the first meeting 
nothing definite was effected. At the next meeting Mr. New- 
ihan explained the embarrassed condition of the firm. He 
stated that he owed $20,000, viz: the $18,000 already men- 
tioned,!and $2,000 which Lewis had loaned to the firm, and 
for which bel held their gentiine note ; that Lewis was his only 
friend in the world, etc., and he insisted that he should be 
protected. • Mr. Sohoenfeld replied that if Lewis was to be 
protected, his confidential creditor should also be secured. 
This was assented to, and it was agreed that a firm note for 
$«,■000 should be executed to Bremer, &quot;so that the $8,000 
should stand valid against the firm instead of against an 
individual member, in case any action should be taken.&quot; This 
wks accordingly done on the succeeding day. The note was 
delivered to Mr. William Bremer, agent for H. Bremer, who 
wasto hold it for presentation as a firm debt in case any suit 
was brought against the firm. Mr. Bremer did not then, nor at 
any time up to the trial of this cause, surrender the individ- 
ual notes of Schoenfeld originally given by the latter to his 
brother. 
A few days subsequently Mr. Schoenfeld received a peremp- 
tory notice from the Anglo-California Bank to make good the 
firm's indebtedness. This notice he communicated to Mr. 
Newman. A meeting was at once held to make arrange- 
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receiver appointed by the court. It is contended that the 
mode of proceeding adopted in this case is peeuliar to the 
state of New York, where it grew up under the rules framed 
by Chancellor Walworth, to carry into effect the provisions 
of the Eevised Statutes of that state with regard to creditors' 
bills. But it would seem that Mr, Justice McLean enter- 
tained bills similar to the bill in this case without hesitation. 
In Lamon v. Clark, 4 McLean, 18, the bill alleged that &quot;the 
defendant had equitable things in action and other property 
which cannot be reached by execution, and that he also had 
debts due to him by persans unkriown.&quot; These allegations are 
as general and unspecific as those contained in the bill under 
consideration, but the bill was, nevertheless, entertained. It 
is asserted by counsel that this jurisdiction was taken under 
a statute of Michigan similar to that of New York. But the 
court expressly repudiated the notion that a state statute can 
confer jurisdiction in equity upon the courts of the United 
States, although the latter may adopt modes of proceeding 
and partieular remedies, when the cause is within their juris- 
diction, and the proceedings adopted are conformable to the 
general principles by which courts of equity are govemed. 
And with respect to the case before it the court observes : 
&quot;The jurisdiction is appropriate to chancery, and 7nay be exer- 
ercised where tkere is no special statute. Similar relief is given 
in England. 1 Vernon, 398; 1 P. Wms. 445; 2 Dickens, 
575; Ambler, 79-455; 20 John. 563; 2 John. Ch. 283- 
296; 4 John. Ch. 691.&quot; 
In Pettit V. Chandler, before cited, the bill, after alleging 
judgment obtained, execution issued, and return of nulla bona, 
proceeded to state that &quot;for a long time before the recovery 
of the judgments Pettit had transacted, in his own name, 
business to a large amount in New York, and was possessed 
of great property, and that he had not pretended or given out 
that he had become insolvent, or had lost any property, but 
that just before the recovery of the judgments in favor of the 
complainant he had suddenly stopped doing business in his 
own name with the avowed intention of preventing the com- 
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mission to bridge the river, these conflicting interests can be 
considered and adjusted as may be thought best for the pub- 
lie good, 
But this court must simply ascertain whether the bridge 
■will be a material obstruction to the navigation of the river. 
It eannot balance these conflicting interests and determine 
that the one will be more benefited by the bridge than the 
other will be injured thereby. Its power is confined to the 
determination of the question whether it will be a material 
obstruction to navigation or not. 
In the Wheeling Bridge Case the obstruction caused by the 
bridge, as compared with the benefit, was exceedingly small, 
That suit was commenced in 1849, when the commerce on 
the Ohio was more limited than now, and the bridge was a 
Connecting link in a great public highway by rail and other- 
wise. The referee reported that, of ail the steam-boats then 
running on the river, only nine were prevented from passing 
the bridge on account of the great height — from 63|- to 80 
feet — of their &quot;chimneys,&quot; andtheyfor only a f ew days in the 
year. And although these chimneys might have been short- 
ened or lowered, when passing the bridge, by means of 
hinges, and although the benelit resulting to navigation in 
the increased draft given by such tall chimneys must have 
been small in comparison to the benefit to commerce result- 
ing from the bridge, yet the latter was determined to be a 
violation of the act of congress deelaring the navigation of 
the river &quot;free and common to the citizens of the United 
States,&quot; and the court ordered it abated as a nuisance. As 
I said during the hearing, it appears from the evidence that 
the draw is too narrow to admit the passage of the larger 
vessels that come here, and on that account the bridge is an 
obstruction to navigation ; and I am satisfied that the f urther 
investigation of the subject will make this more apparent. 
But I am also satisfied that this bridge, whatever the width 
of the draw, will be an obstruction if ereoted in the midst of 
this harbor. 
In the course of the argument the question was asked of 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/812</title>
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decree entered appointing the said Schoonover as receiver and 
fixing his bond at |5,000. Afterwards several assessments 
upon the stockholders were ordered by the court or by the 
iudge in vacation for the payment of debts of the company, 
and severaL reports were made by the receiver and passed 
upon by the court, from some of which it appears that he 
nad instituted suit against several of the stockholders, includ- 
ing P. E. Hinckley, A. B. Cox, J. Jamison, and George Boone. 
These proceedings were carried on in the Jones county circuit 
court, without any appearance on the part of the stockholders, 
until the third of November, 1879, when George Boone, John 
M. Whittaker, and Francis E. Hinckley filed their intervening 
petition, herein alleging that tiiey are stockholders ; that cer- 
tain claims against the company are fraudulent; denying no- 
tice of the proceedings ; besidee numerous other allegations 
which need not be repeated here. By said petition they pray 
an accounting, and that the order for assessment upon the 
capital stock be set aside, as well as the order appointing 
Schoonover as receiver. Upon the fQing of this intervening 
.petition in vacation, and without notice to any one other 
thaii that which is afforded by the filing of the same, a peti- 
tion and bond in this form were filed in the clerk's office of 
the state court for the removal of the cause to this court. 
The receiver now appears here and moves to remand. 
Miller de Godfrey, for motion. 
Geo. W. Kretzinger, contra. 
MoCbaey C. J. As the case stood prier to the filing of the 
1 etition of intervention, which is in substance a bill of review, 
it was not removable under the act of March 3, 1875, because 
the time for removal had passed. The case had been pend- 
ing in the state court over three years. The statute requirea 
fbat the petition for removal shall be filed &quot;before or at the 
time at which said cause could be first tried, and before the 
trial thereof .,&quot; Section 3, act of March 3, 1875. If the cause 
is removable it must be upon the ground that the petition of 
intervention, or bill of review above named, is a suit within 
the meaning of the act. The language of the law is &quot;that any 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/826</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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waiyed, if such right ever existed. But the right exista only 
when the payment is usury, and I do not see why the $16 
may not be regarded as so much paid by way of interest in 
advance, rather than have the agreement faU for want of 
consideration, though I have treated the payment as usury, 
as was claimed and argued on both sides. Lee's letter to 
plaintiff, expressing a hope that he would &quot;not make any 
expense,&quot; does not appear to have been acted on by plaintiEf; 
but, I infer from facts in the case, he did make expense by 
suit subsequent to the date of Lee's letter, which suit was dis- 
continued after the agreement to extend the payment. How- 
ever that may be, the letter is not consent to an agreement 
to extend the day of payment for a year, and does not pre- 
vent Lee from insisting on the defence that he is discharged. 
Judgment of no cause of action will be entered in favor of 
defendants Lee and King, and in fayor of plaintiff, and against 
ail other defendants, for |l,99e.oe damages, and for oosts 
of suit, to be taxed. 
WiLBUB V. Abbot. 
Idreuit Court, D. New Bampshire. October 12, 1880. 
1. Suit o» Fohbign Jddgmbnt— Axlegatiok of Bbbvich on Non-Rksi- 
PBNT DBPENDAHTS AND TbrIIS OF doHTBACT. 
In a declaration on a judgment against A. and B., rendered in th» 
fifth district court of the city of New Orleans, a court of general juris- 
diction, it was field : 
(1) That A. and B. being residents of New Hampshire when the 
judgment was rendered, failure of the plaintiff to allege that they 
were duly served with notice of the suit, or that they appeared and 
answered thereto, made the declaration demurrable. 
(2) That failure to set forth the terras, nature, or date of the con- 
tract on which such judgment was founded, or the place of making 
such judgment, was no ground of demurrer. 
Motion to Amend Declaration. 
Sawyer e Sawyer, Jr., for plaintiff. 
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The faet that the jurors in question occupied Judge Trimble's 
room at all is satisfaotorily explained. 
It appears to have been arranged that some jurors in at- 
tendance upon the court should while away their evenings at 
cards in the rooms of Colonel Milo Smith, who was a juror 
of the regular panel, but not in the Pool case. It so hap- 
pened that Mrs. Smith, after some days, reached the city, 
and it therefore became necessary to abandon the arrange- 
ment for meeting at Colonel Smith's rooms. 
Thereupon John E. Wallace, who was not a juror in the 
case then on trial, seeing that Judge Trimble's room was un- 
occupied, asked him if he had any objection to their card 
party meeting at his room. He did not state to Judge Trim- 
ble who the persons engaged in the card playing were; and 
the latter, when he gave consent to their using his room, wa» 
not aware that any juror in the Pool case was of the party. 
It clearly and indubitably appears that when Judge Trimble 
and Mr. Blythe afterwards came to know that some mem- 
bers of the jury in the case then on trial were of the oard 
party, they kept studiously aloof from Judge Trimble's room. 
It is proved clearly that Mr. Blythe was never in the room 
at all when the jurors were there, and Judge Trimble was in 
the room only once during the several nights ia question, and 
then only for a single moment to obtain some needed papers. 
It appears that neither Judge Trimble nor Mr. Blythe ever, 
on any occasion during the trial, spoke to any jurors con- 
cerningthe case, or aUuded to the same in their presence ex- 
cept in open court. When Judge Trimble found that some 
members of the jury in the case were occupying his room, as 
stated, he was placed in a somewhat embarrassing situation. 
He had given consent to their ocoupancy of his room, which 
was practically vacant. He could not well rescind his assent 
and order thenx to vacate the room without danger of giving 
olience and perhaps prejudicing his client's cause. Both he 
and Mr. Blythe seem to have done all that could reasonably 
be expected of them under the circumstances ; they kept aloof 
from the room during its occupancy by the jurors, and ab- 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/870</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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claim also that there was a special contract in relation to the 
apparatus, but say that the terms of the contract were that 
the piaintiff should deliver to them the apparatus, and set it 
up ready for use; that theywere to have.until the first of 
June to try it ; and that if it did not yield an average ,of five 
dollars per day, or if it were not perfectly satisfactory to them 
in its workings, they were not to take it. Defendants admit 
that the amount yielded by the apparatus was above the 
Bum agreed upon, but they say that the apparatus was de- 
feetive in its materials and construction, and in its working operations, and wholly unsatisfactory to them, and that 
they received it and it was put up by plaintifife for them 
about the twenty-sixth of April; that, finding it def active in 
the particulars specified, they notified the plaintiEfs thereof ; 
and that finally, on the twenty-ninth day of May, they notified 
the piaintiff B that they would not purchase the same, and re- 
quested them to take it away, which they failed to do; that 
on the first day of June, when plaintiffs' agent called upon them 
and demanded payment, they refused to pay, and notified 
the agent to remove the apparatus, which he refused to do; 
that they kept it in use, subject to the plaintiEfs' order, until 
the twenty-third day of June, when they took it down and 
notified the plaintiffs thereof; that plaintiffs failing to take it 
away, that afterwards, on the of August,they boxed up 
in good order and shipped in good condition the apparatus to 
the plaintiffs at Boston, where they received and still hold 
the same. 
The plaintiffs admit that the apparatus was received at 
their establishment in Boston about the first of September, but 
say it was not received and kept by them as their own propertj ; 
that it was, when received, in a damaged condition, and not 
worth over $300 ; and that on the twenty-sixth of October they 
wrote the defendants that they had received and held it as de- 
fendants' property The parties differ as to the terms of the 
agreement, but both admit that the goods were delivered by 
the plaintiffs and received by the defendants under a special 
contract. And the defendants claim that whetherthe terms of 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/882</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ent, to enable him to make a motion for a rehtariug, which 
motion bas been made and denied. The respondent bas 
also been very dilatory in submitting to the court the amend- 
ments to the proposed orders, which be obtained leave of the 
court to submit. These laches on the part of the respondent 
is urged by petitioner's counsel as a reason for denying 
this application, but, in view of the great importance of the 
case to the parties, I do not feel at liberty, on tbis ground, to 
deny the application, although, so far as it is granted, it will 
be upon the condition that hereafter there be no delay. 
It is urged on behalf of the petitioners that it is now too 
late to adjourn questions into the circuit court, because the 
statute does not allow this to be done af ter the decision of the 
questions by the district court, and that in this case the ques- 
tions have been decided by the district court. The provision 
of the statute is: &quot;Tbe district judge may adjourn any point 
or question arising in any case in bankruptcy into the circuit 
court for the district, in bis discretion, to be there heard and 
determined.&quot; 5 St. 445. I think the circumstance that the 
point or question bas been submitted to the district judge, 
and that he bas expressed bis opinion thereon, does not 
preclude him, if in bis discretion he tbinks it proper and 
just to do so, from adjourning questions into the circuit 
court to be there heard and determined. Indeed, it must 
often happen that until the district judge bas heard and ex- 
amined the whole case he cannot properly or intelligently 
determine what points or questions are so important or so 
difficult as to call for the exercise of tbis discretionary power. 
Points which upon the pleadings or upon their first statement 
may appear difficult or important, may be found upon exam- 
ination to be settled by autbority ; or, though difficult as ab- 
stract questions, wholly unimportant, because not decisive of 
the matter to be determined. Until an order or decree is 
entered it cannot be said, in the strict sense of the word, that 
there is a decision. The court may, notwithstanding its 
opinion delivered in the cause, enter an order or decree not 
altogether in conformity therewith. Until the entry of an 
order or decree its opinion is subject to re vision and correc-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/894</title>
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stopper of such a length,&quot; etc. Manifestly the specified 
length is but a single feature of the stopper. The claim, 
therefore, is not to be read as embracing ail manner of in- 
ternai bottle stoppers having the specified length, irrespect- 
ive of other distinguishable characteristics and modes of 
operation. Construed so broadly, the claim could not be sus- 
tained. Matthews v. Skoenberger, supra. 
I am of opinion that no infringement of either of the 
plaintiff's patents has been shown. 
Let a deeree be drawn dismissing his bill, with posts. 
Potkam and another v, Hollendeb and another. 
{Circuit Court, 8. J). New York. February 10, 1881.) 
1. Pi.EADnia— Joint and Sepabate Infkihgement— Pboof. 
In a suit for infringement the bill alleged that the defendants had 
&quot; jointly and collectivelj, and also separately,&quot; used and sold bottle- 
stoppera containing the patented invention. Seld, (although no ioint 
sale or use was shown,) as the bill was framed to i'ecover for separate 
infringements, and was not demurred to on that ground, «nd the case 
had gone on under that issue, that the plaintiS could maintain the 
suit as a suit against each defendant separately. 
2. Combination — Tbansposition of Pabts— Infbinobmbuit — Impbove- 
MBNT m Bottle-Stoppers. 
Re-issued letters patent granted to Karl Hutter, June 5, 1877, for 
an improvement in bottle-stoppers, claimed, i'nter aZi'a.' &quot;(1) The com- 
bination, substantially as before set forth, of the compound stopper, 
the yoke, the lever, and the supporting device on the bottle, by 
means of three pivotai connections, upon which the said members 
can be turned relatively to each other without disconnecting either 
one from the other.&quot; Held, that the mere transposition of the 
places of the yoke and the lever did not constitute such a substantial 
difference in respect to the invention, or the mode of operating the 
combination, as would avoid infringement. 
3. LiCBNSE— CONSTRUCTION. 
A patentee authorized a licensee to use and manufacture his inven- 
tion &quot; for his own proper business,&quot; to a specified amount per annum. 
Held, in the ai)sence of affirmative authority, that a sublicense was 
not autIio)-i;',c&gt;l by aUch agice.iiont.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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vices by means of which the cotnpound stopper is connected 
with the bottle, whether the bottle mouth is closed or open, 
and the pivots and eyes of the lever constitute parts of two 
pivotai connections, whereby it may be connected with the 
compound stopper and with the bottle mouth, so as to turn 
or swing for the purpose of utilizing its lever property. The 
eeveral combinations of the above-mentioned devices, which 
constitute the invention, are set forth in the claims at the 
close of this specification. In order that they may be fully 
understood, I have represented in the accompanying draw- 
ing, and will proceed to describe, the mode in which I em- 
bodied them for practical use at the time of filing the appli- 
cation for my original patent. Figure 1 represents a front 
view of the bottle-stopping devices in the positions severally 
occupied by them wh en the bottle is closed. Figure 2 is a 
vertical transverse section of parts of the same. Figure 8 18 
a side View of the devices showing the compound stopper dis» 
engaged from the bottle mouth, but still connected with the 
bottle.' The compound stopper represented in the said draw- 
ihg is composed of the rigid cap-piece, E, and the-ejastid 
member, D, which is made of iubber or other elastio mate- 
rial. Theelastic member, D, bas the form of a disk df small 
thickness compared with its diameter, so that it ie flexible, 
and may readily bend to conform to the form whiob may be 
given to the cap-piece. It is also constructed with a Central 
shank or stem, e, which is perforated transversely near itS 
upper end so that a wire may be passed through it to prevent 
its withdrawal from the cap-piece, E, which is perforated 
. centrally to permit the stem of the rubber disk to be passed 
through it. The lower surface of the disk, D, is of larger 
diameter than the opening in the mouth of the bottle to which 
said disk is to be applied. The compound stopper, composed 
of the rigid cap-piece and elastic member, is connected 
with the bottle by means of a lever, B, and yoke, C, which 
are connected with eaeh other with the bottle and with the 
compound stopper by pivotai connections, so as to permit the 
lever, yoke, and stopper to be turned relatively to the bottle, 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/898</title>
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the compound stopper, the yoke, the lever, and the support- 
ing deviee on the bottle, by means of three pivotai connec- 
tions, upon which the said members can be turned relatively 
to each other without disoonnecting either one from the other. 
&quot;(2) The combination, substantially as before set forth, of 
the compound stopper, the lever, and the yoke, by means of 
two pivotai connections, upon which the said three members 
can be turned relatively to each other without disconueetion, 
and the pivotai connection of the lever to the bottle, substan- 
tially as set forth. 
&quot;(3) In combination with a bottle, the flexible elastic stop- 
per disk, whose lower surface is larger than the opening in 
the mouth of the bottle, and which is provided with an up- 
wardly projecting stem or shank, substantially as before set 
forth. 
&quot;(4) The combination of a perfora ted rigid cap-piece with 
the flexible elastic stopper disk, whose lower surface is larger 
than the opening in the mouth of the bottle, and which is con- 
structed with a stem of reduced diameter, said stem being 
passed into the perforation of the cap-piece, substantially as 
before set forth. 
&quot;(5) The combination of the rigid cap-piece with the flex- 
ible elastic stopper disk, constructed with a laterally perfo' 
rated stem, through which a wire is passed above said cap- 
piece to confine said cap-piece to said disk, substantially a» 
specified. 
&quot;(6) The combination, substantially as before set forth, of 
the flexible elastic stopper disk, constructed with a perforated 
stem, the perforated cap-piece and the yoke, which is passed 
transversely through the said stem for the purpose of pre- 
venting the withdi'awal tbereof from the cap-piece. 
&quot;(7) The combination, substantially as before set forth, of 
the yoke and the lever, which are directly connected, one 
with the other, by a pivotai connection, the lever being con- 
structed with end pivots to enable it to be connected pivotally 
with the eupporting device on the bottle. 
&quot; (8) The eccentric lever, B, made with two pivotai connec- 
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when the stopper is out of the bottle mouth; a lever con- 
nected vfith the yoke, and by means of which the stopper is 
forced down and compressed to close the bottle mouth tightly ; 
and the lever and the yoke are connected with each other, 
with the bottle, and with the stopper by pivotai connections, so 
as to permit the lever, the yoke, and the stopper to be turned 
relatively to the bottle and to each other, so as to force the 
stopper down to close the mouth of the bottle with the force 
incidental to the power of the lever. In the plaintiff's re- 
issue the neck band is pivoted to the lever, the lever to the 
yoke, and the yoke to the stopper. In Exhibit No. 11 the 
neck band is pivoted to the yoke, the yoke to the lever, and 
the lever to the stopper. In both there are four elements, — 
the neck band, the yoke, the lever, and the stopper, — each con- 
nected to one of the other three by a pivotai connection-, there 
being three pivotai connections. The neck band and the 
stopper are in the same place in both structures, each at one 
end of the series of four. The places of the yoke and the lever 
are transposed in the two structures. In the plaintiffs' the 
lever is next to the neck band, and the yoke is next to the 
stopper. In Exhibit No. 11 the yoke is next to the neck band 
and the lever is next to the stopper. But this is the only dif- 
ference, and it is no diiierence of substance in respect to the 
invention and to the mode of operation of the combination of 
the four elements, in its entirety, as such combination exists in 
both structures. That is the combination covered by the first 
daim of the re-issue. The same considerations show that 
the combination covered by the second claim of the re-issue 
exists in Exhibit No. 11. Exhibit No. 11 is known as the 
Von Hofe stopper. 
2. The answer sets up that the re-issue covers more than 
was described in the specification of the original patent, and 
is not for the same invention. There is no evidence to this 
effect, and there does not appear to be any ground for the 
assertion. 
3. The answer avers that the plaintiflfs' bottle-stopper 
was, before De Quillfeldt applied for his patent, invented by 
one Emil HoUender, or by him jointly with De Quillfeldt, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/906</title>
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says he used the structure and bottle in his saloon from two 
to three times a week, and about two years. Although he sold 
beer in bottles to be taken away from his saloon and opened 
elsewhere, — bottles with corks, as he says, — he never sent 
this bottle and structure away from his saloon. Before, he 
made his structure he had, he says, seen bottles with a pat- 
ent stopper, of one Schlesting, which had a compound stop- 
per composed of a rigid top piece and an elastic member, and 
was opened and closed by means of a separate lever or piece 
of iron. But he says he did not procure the Schlesting stop- 
per, and for the reason, as he says, that he used to send out 
beer in bottles, and would have to give to each customer a 
piece of iron to open the bottle, which was liable not to be 
returned, and he says that for this reason he tried to make a 
stopper that would suit him better. Yet the new structure 
could not have been a satisfaetory one to be used for the pur- - 
pose of replacing corks, or in lieu of adopting the Schlesting 
stopper, and to be sent out with bottles of beer, or Otto would 
have had more of them made, and would have put them to 
the use of transportation, The original specification of De 
Quillfeldt says that his stopper is to close bottles in a &quot;se- 
eure&quot; manner, as well as in a quick and convenient manner, 
and that, when closed, the &quot;stopper is seated so firmly on the 
bottle that no accidentai detachment in handling is possi- 
ble.&quot; The re-issue says that the bottle mouth is &quot;securely 
closed&quot; and &quot;tightly&quot; closed. It is not shown that this 
structure of Otto's closed the bottle mouth securely or tightly. 
Unless this was done the structure was useless. The evi- 
dence on this subject is entirely wanting. Otto says that he 
used the structure in his saloon, and that it worked &quot;good.&quot; 
He gives this account of the way in which he used the struct- 
ure in his saloon : &quot;I filled the bottle with Rochester beer. 
I used to pour out one glass from it to a customer and enclose 
it again and place it on the table. Either they would pour 
out the second glass themselves, or, if they couldn't open it, 
I would show it to them, and pour out a second glass, too. 
Then, when I bottled beer again, I filled it again and sold it 
as before. &quot; This structure he siiys he so used for two yeara&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/916</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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LowELL, G. J. I have to-day decided, in a case between 
the parties to this suit,* that the plaintifFs' patent for a presser- 
foot adapted to sewing stay-strips over the outward turned 
seams of boots and shoes is valid. The present controversy 
relates to another patent granted to the plaintif Sutherland, 
re-issue No. 7,510, for a stay-strip as a new article of manu- 
facture. The stay-strip, as described, is a narrow piece of 
leather folded or doubled so as to fit over the projecting seam, 
and with a channel or groove to hug or fit that seam, and 
other grooves at the sides of the seam calculated to receive 
the stitches by which the stay is fastened to thebootor shoe. 
The projection of the peam raises a fiUet, as it is called, or 
swell, which serves to protect the stitches, and this is done 
still further by the beads or swells or fiUets which bound the 
grooves on the edges of the stay-strip. The specification ex- 
plains one great advantage of a strip thus prepared to be 
that it can be sewed automatically to the boot or shoe with- 
out troubling the operator to guide it by hand so much as he 
must a strip of a different shape. He claims this stay-strip 
in its several forma. 
The defendants make a stay-strip with beaded edges suited 
to receive the stitches. I cannot find in the article which 
they make any decided central groove or corrugation adapted 
to the seam, They do not, therefore, infringe the first claim 
or the third, but do corne within the second, which is for the 
stay-pieee with these side grooves, The decision, then, must 
depend upon the validity of the re-issued patent. 
The original, No. 176,094, was for an improvement in stay- 
seaming boot or shoe uppers, and described the method of 
putting a stay, with channels for the stitches, over an outward 
turned seam, as contrasted with the old method of turning 
the seam inward and leaving it unprotected. I am unable 
to find in it any mention of automatie sewing, or of a central 
channel to hug or fit the seam. On the contrary, the method 
described is simply to put a folded or double strip over the 
seam and sew it there. This will iorm a channel in the fin- 
ished work, as the model from the patent-office, when eut 
*A&gt;ife, 713.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/918</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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The Samuel H. Ceawford. 
The Niagara. 
[District Court, E. D. New Torh. March 3, 1881.) 
1. Canusms at Sba — Lookout — Lights — Tobch-Light — Rbv. St. 
i 4234— Balvagb. 
Wliere a collision occurred at sea between a schooner bound to 
New York and a steamer bound to the Delaware, each libelied the other 
for damages, and the steamer also libelied for salvage, having taken 
the schooner in tow ; and upon trial — 
Hdd, that the corner of the house on deck, where the schooner 
carried her red and green lights, was not a proper location for the 
side lights ; but where it appeared that, in spite of this location, the 
lights were visible to the approaching vessel, the faulty location of 
the lights did not conduce to the collision, and does not render the 
vessel liable. 
Section 4234 of the Kevised Statutes requires a lighted torch to be 
exhibited by a sailing vessel to an approaching steamer, whether the 
steamer be approaching from forward or abaft the beam ; and where 
such torch is not exhibited the sailing vessel will be held in fault, 
unless clear proof be given that the failure did not coutribute to the 
collision. 
Where lights of a schooner, plainly exhibited to a steamer, were not 
actually seen by the steamer until the schooner was too close upon 
her to avoid a collision, hdd, that the steamer was in fault ; and, both 
vessels being in fault in this case, the damages must be apportioned. 
2. Salvage Services. 
Services rendered by a steamer to a sailing vessel mn down by 
fault of the steamer do not entitle the steamer to claim salvage. 
Goodrich, Deady e Platt, for the Niagara, 
Beehe, Wilcox de Hobbs, for the S. H. Crawford. 
Benediot, D. J. The three causes above mentioned have 
been tried together. The first-named is brought by the owners 
of the steamship Niagara to recover of the schooner Samuel H, 
Crawford the amount of damages caused by a collision that 
occurred between those two vessels off the capes of Delaware 
on the thirtieth day of December, 1880. The second action 
is brought by the same libellants to recover salvage for serv- 
ices rendered by the steamer Niagara to the schooner Samuel 
H. Crawford, immediately after the collision referred to, in 
t( wing her, when disabled by the collision, from the place of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 6.djvu/920</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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of contact with the schooner as far aft as the stern davit. 
These facts make a case of fault on the part of the steamer, 
provided the schooner was displaying lights capable of being 
seen by the steamer at a sufficient distance to enable her to 
avoid the schooner. The case, so far as the steamer is con- 
cerned, must, therefore, turn upon the question of lights upon 
the schooner. Upon this question there is a conflict of 
evidence, but a careful study of the testimony has satis- 
fied me that the weight of the evidence is that the schooner, 
as she approached the steamer, was displaying a light 
capable of being seen by those iu charge of the steamer 
in time to enable her to avoid the schooner, The evidence 
from the steamer on this point is the testimony of two sea- 
men, who were stationed upon the|„steamer's bow aa.lookouts, 
and who agree iu declaring that they were keeping a.watch-r 
fbl lookout, saw the schooner first when close at hand, and 
saw no light upon her. In addition there is from, the steamer 
the testimony of seyeral persoil^, whpi,observed the schooner 
from , the. instant of collision, and observed no Hgbt upon her 
lintil af^cr the vessels had .passed each other, when she dis- 
played a.whitelight. 
' .,^he veight of the testimony of those on board.the steamer, 
who speak as to what they observed at the moment of col- 
lision, and immediately thereafter, is diminished by the faict 
that these observations were mq-de in the confusion and ex- 
citement necessarilyincidetit to such a serious collision, and 
by the further fact that it is diffieult to reconcile the state- 
ment of seyeral of the witnesses from the steamer that the 
port side of the schooner was presented to the steamer, as 
she swept past the steamer's starboard side, with the nature 
of the blow, the absence at that time of head-sails on the 
schooner, the injury to the starboard side of the schooner, 
and the mbvements of the schooner after the blow, as testi- , 
fied to by those on board of her. 
In opposition to this testimony from the steamer, there is 
from the schoonor the direct and positive testimony of six 
persons that both the red and green lights of the schooner 
were set and burning brightly at the time of the collision.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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head-sails of the echooner, and therefore were not visible to 
the stea^Her. But the measurements of the schooner show 
that the light on either side was less than four feet inside of 
the point of the shrouds opposite to the corner of the house 
on that side, and that none of the head-sails could be an ob- 
struction of the light to a vessel ahead. 
In regard to the red light being at the time the windward 
light, it is not possible to contend that that light, if buming 
properly, would not be visible to the steamer approaching, 
as this steamer was, nearly bow to bow. 
I therefore conclude that the schooner, as she approached 
the steamer, was displaying lights which a watchful lookout 
on the steamer would have seen in time to avoid her, and 
that the cause of the failure on the part of the steamer to see 
the schooner until it was toc late to avoid her, was the 
absence of such a lookout. 
But it is contended in behalf of the steamer that, if it be 
found that the schooner had her side lights set and buming, 
the schooner must nevertheless be held responsible for the col- 
lision, because of the admitted fact that her side lights were 
placed inboard, on the corners of the forward house, instead 
of in the rigging. The difficaltj with this contention is that 
the fact that the red light was a short distance further 
inboard than it would have been if placed in the rigging, 
becomes immaterial in this case when it appears that, located 
as the light was, it sbowed a clear light ahead without ob- 
struction. I do not approve of the location of the schooner's 
lights, but I cannot find that the location in any way con- 
duced to this collision, because it appears that there was nothing to obstruct those lights in the direction of the steamer. 
It is also, and with better reason, contended in behalf of the 
steamer that the schooner must be held in fault for omitting 
to comply with the statute, which declares that &quot;every sail- 
vessel shall,;,on the approach of any steam-vessel during the 
night-time, show a lighted torch upon the point or quarter 
to which such steam-vessel shall be approaching.&quot; Eev. St. 
§ 4234. 
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for an answer, and, getting none, blew two more blasts, which 
■were answered with two, and about that time the steamer's 
green light was shut in, and the steamer seemed about to run 
over them. He estimates that 'when the second signal was 
given the steamer was within two or three of her lengths from 
the fcug. 
The master of the tug, who was also in the pilot-house, 
tells substantially the same story, It is apparent, therefore, 
that those in charge of the tug, notwithstanding she received 
no answer to her first signal, persisted in going to the west- 
ward, and attempting to pass on the steamer's starboard'side, 
until the steamer, continuing to show her red light and 
obviously also going to starboard, was so close that a collision 
with either the tug or her tow was almost certain. Whether 
the two blasts of her whistle, then given by the tug, were 
answered by the two blasts, as they claim, or with one, as those 
on the steamer testify, does not seem to me to be, in itself, 
a matter of serions importance, for neither vessel then had it 
in her power to perform any maneuver which would, except 
by some lueky chance, have averted the disaster. It is clear 
that the tug was in fault. I have had diffieulty in satisfying 
myself as to whether or not the steamer was also to blame. 
No one, 1 think, could take up the consideration of the 
steamer's case without a leaning against her, and a predis- 
position to find her in fault. Her offieers, although accus- 
tomed to the command of sailing vessels, were almost without 
experience in steamer navigation, and it was their first voy- 
age in this steamer. They were not familiar with the chan- 
nel, and they were running out in the night-time, — a very 
bold thing for them to undertake unassisted, and which rea- 
sonable prudence would seem to have forbidden. But be- 
cauae her offieers were likely to fail in seamanship, I am not 
to take it for granted that they did, unless the evidence con- 
victs them of it. 
The steamer was, at the time of the collision, on that side 
of the channel on which she had a right to be; all her offieers 
were at their posts of duty; they all testify that they heard 
the first signal of the tug, and that it was but one blast of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Kahn, Nlsibet r 760 
Keeley, Sonstiby v. 447 
Kellogg, Sawycr v 720 
Kellum, United States v 843 
Kemiia, Brockhaus v 609 
Kentucky &amp; Great Eastern Ey. 
Co., Hodderv 793 
Keogh, Hanover Fire Ins. Co. v. 764 
Kimball, In re 461 
JCing, Pennington v 462 
King, United States Btamping 
Co. V 860 
Knapp V. Joubert 219 
Knickerbocker Life Ins. Ce, 
Pendletonv 169 
Knowles, Crompton v 199, 204 
Labette County, United States v. 318 
Lamar, Micou v 180 
Lamb, Rootv 222 
Lancaster v. Collina 338 
liarned, Loveridge v 294 
Latham v. Chaf se 520, 625 
Leatherbeny v. Odell, Ragan &amp; 
Co 641 
Liberty No. 4, The 226 
Liggett &lt;&amp; Myers Tobacco Co., 
Millerr 91 
Lissburger, In re 584 
Lloyd, In re. . . . , 459 
Loveridge v. Laraed 294 
Manning, John Hancock Mut. 
Life Ins. Co. V 299 
Maria &amp; Elizabeth, The 253 
Mary E. Long, The 364 
Mayor, etc., of City of New 
York, Brickill v 479 
Mayor, etc., of New York, Al- 
lenv 483 
McCalmont v. Philadelphia &amp; 
Reading R. Co 386 
McComb V. Chicago, St. L. &amp; N. 
O. R. Co 426 
McCutchenv. Rice County.,.. 558 
McKesson, Buckan v 100 
McNab &amp; Hanlan Manuf'g Co., 
Blake V 821 
Me Williams V. Withington.... 326 
Memphis &amp; C. R. Ce, Brown v. 61 
Merritt, In re 853 
Meyers, Nat. Manuf'g Co. v.. . 355 
Meyi'ose, Adams v 208 
Meyrose, Irwin v 533 
Micou V. Lamar 180 
Miller V. Alliance Ins. Co. of 
Boston 649 
Miller v. Liggett &amp; Myers To- 
bacco Co 91 
Millinger, United Stalea v. . 187, 849 
Pagt 
Minerai Point Tunnel, ITorris v. 272 
Moreno, Wilson Sewing Ma- 
chine Co. V 806 
Morgan v. Pennsylvania R Co. 78 
Nat. Bank of Lyndon v. Wells 
River Manuf'g Co 750 
Nat. Life Ins. Co. v. Harvey. . . 805 
Nat. Manuf'g Co. v. Meyers 355 
Nat. Shoe &amp; Leather Bank of 
Auburn v. Small 837 
Nat. Steam-ship Co., Gray v, . . 273 
Nederland, The 926 
New Haven Steam Saw-mill Co. 
V. Security Ins. Co 847 
Nichols V. Beard 579 
Nisbetv. Dub 760 
Nisbet V. Kahn 760 
Nisbct V. Quinn 760 
Norris v. Minerai Point Tunnel 272 
Odell, Ragan &amp; Co., Leather- 
berry v 641 
Ogilvie v. Crawford County.... 745 
Oliver V Cuiiningliam 689 
Olivia A. Carrigan, The 607 
One Hundred and Ten Sticks of 
Hewn Timber, Simpson v . . . . 243 
Orange Nat. Bank v. Traver. . . 146 
Ore Knob Copper Co. , Adams v. 634 
Osborne v. County Com'rs of 
Adams County 441 
Osborne &amp; Cheesman Co., 
Holmes, Booth &amp; llaydens v. 671 
Palmer V. Call '. 737 
Parsons V. Denis 317 
Patterson v. Stapler 210 
Pendlcton v. Knickerbocker 
Life Ins. Co 169 
Pennington v. King 462 
Pennsylvania R. Co. , Hart v. . . 630 
Pennsylvania R. Co., Morgan V. 78 
Perasich, Slavonian Mining 
Co.v 331 
Perking, Gilman v 887 
Philadelphia &amp; Reading R. Co., 
Parmers' &amp; Mechanics' Nat. 
Bank of Philadelphia V...377, 381 
Philadelphia &amp; Reading R. Co., 
McCalmont v 886 
Philadelphia &amp; Reading R. Co., 
Taylor v 377,381,386 
Phœnix Ins. Co. , Coast Wreck- 
ing Co. V 236 
Plantv.Gunn 761 
Pond V. Sibley 129 
Potter V. Stewart 215 
Pride of the Ocean, The 247 
Pulsifer, Brainard v 349&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Smith T. Horton 270 
8mith, Watson V 350 
Stewart, Potter r. 215 
Swift &amp; Courtney &amp; Beecher 
Co., Bchoerken v 469 
Thayer, Adair v 920 
United States v. liorger 193 
United States v. Byrne 455 
United States v. Jolinson 453 
United States v. Kellum 883 
United State-i v. Millinger..l87, 849 
United States Staraping Co. v. 
King 860 
&quot;Watson V. Smith 350 
Wood V. Dolby 475 
&quot;Woodbury, In re 705 
Wooster V. Blake 816 
DiBTBicT Court, B. D. New York. 
Adolph.The 501 
B. F. Woolsey, The 108 
Blanchard, Johnson v 697 
C. M. Titus, The 826 
Erinagh, The 231 
Johnson v. Blanchard 597 
Olivia A. Carrigan, The 507 
Rheola, The 781 
Wexford, The 674 
Woods, In re 665 
Circuit Court, D. Vbrmont. 
Bridges v. Sheldon 17 
Hilton, Stewart v 562 
Nat. Bank of Lyndon v. Wells 
River Manuf'g Co 750 
Sheldon, Bridges v 17 
Stewart v. Hilton 562 
Wells River Manuf'g Co., Nat. 
Bank of Lyndon v 750 
District Court, D. Vbrmont. 
Houghton, Ex parle 657 
THIRD CmCUIT. 
CiEcriT Court, D. New Jbhsey. 
Crane, Tylerv 77S 
Ingersoll v. Turner. 859 
feellogg, Sawyer V 720 
Patterson v. Stapler 2 JO 
Sawyer v. Kellogg 720 
Stapler, Pattersdn v 1^10 
Turner, Ingersoll v 869 
Tyler v. Crane 776 
District Coukt, D. New Jbrsbt. 
Felter, Park &amp; Co., In re 904 
Maria &amp; Elizabeth, The 253 
Merritt, In re 853 
Young, In re 855 
Circuit Court, E. D. Pennsyi- 
vAnia. 
Farmers' &amp; MechaniCi,' Nat. 
Bank of Philadelphia v. Phil- 
adelphia«&amp; ReadingR. Co.377, 381 
McCalmont v. Philadelphia &amp; 
Reading R. Co 386 
Philadelphia &amp; Reading R. Co. ,' 
Farmers' &amp; Mechanics' Nat. 
Bank of Philadelphia V...377, 381 
Philadeit&gt;hia &lt;fc Reading B. Co., 
McCalmont v 386 
Philadelphia &amp; Reading R. Co. , 
Taylor v 377,381,386 
Taylor v. Philadelphia &amp; Read- 
ing R. Co 377,381,386 
District Court, B. D. Pbnnsyl- 
VANIA. 
Mary E. Long, The 364 
Nederland, The 926 
St. Patrick, The. 125 
Whitburn, The. 925 
Circuit Court, W. D. Pennstl- 
VANIA. 
Farmers' &amp; Mechanics' Bank of 
Mercer v. Hoagland 159 
Hoagland, Farmers' &amp; Mechan- 
ics' Bank of Mercer v 169 
District Court, W. D. PBNNert.- 
VANIA. 
Lloyd.Inre 459 
FOUETH CIECtJIT. 
CraoDiT Court, D. MARTLAin». 
Antola y. Gill &amp; Pigher. 48f 
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District Court, D. IfUiiYLAin). 
Beacham v. Beck 878 
Beok, Beacham v 878 
Brothers, The 878 
Enrique, The 490 
Circuit Coubt, W. D. Nobth Cab- 
OlilNA. 
Adams v. Ore Knoh Copper Co. 634 
Leatherberry v. Odell, Kagan &amp; 
Co 641 
Odell, Ragan &amp; Ce, Leather- 
berry V 641 
Ore Knob Copper Co., Adams V. 634 
Spartanburg &amp; Asheville R. Ce, 
Tommey v 429 
Tommey v. Spartanburg &amp; 
Asheville R. Co 429 
FIFTH OIECUIT. 
District Court, 8. D. Florida. 
Tolomeo, The 497 
CntcuiT Court, S. D.Geokgia,W.D. 
Dub, Nisbet v 760 
Gunn, Plant v 751 
Kahn, Nisbet v 760 
Nisbet V. Dub 760 
Nisbet V. Kahn 760 
Nisbet V. Quinn 760 
Plantv.Gunn 751 
Quinn, Nisbet v. . .' 760 
SIXTH CIRCUIT. 
CiEOUiT Court, D. Bjbntucky. 
Barney &amp; Smith Manuf g Co. 
Hartv 543 
Hart V. Barney &amp; Smith Man- 
uf'g Co 543 
Hodder v. Kentucky &lt;fc Great 
Eastern Ky. Co 793 
Kentucky &amp; Great Eastern Ry. 
Co.,Hodderv 793 
Circuit Court, E. D. Michigan. 
Chicago &amp; L. H. R. Co., Union 
Trust Co. of New y ork v . . . . 613 
Pag» 
Cunningham, Oliver v. 689 
Oliver v. Cunningham 689 
Union Trust Co. of New York v. 
Chicago &amp; L. H. R. Co 513 
District Court, E. D. Michigan. 
Alpena, The 361 
Bagley, Flinn v 785 
Flinn v. Bagley 785 
Simons, United States v 709 
United States v. Simons 709 
Circuit Court, S. D. Omo. 
Ambrose, United States v 554 
City of Chillicothe, Gamewell 
iTire-alarm Telegraph Co. v. . 351 
Gamewell Fire-alarm Telegraph 
Co. V. City of Chillicothe. . . . 351 
Meyers, Nat. Manuf 'g Co. v. . . 355 
Nat. Manuf g Co. v. Meyers.... 356 
Thornburg, United States v 190 
United States v. Ambrose 554 
United States v. Thornburg. . . . 190 
United States v. Wise 190 
Wise, United States v 190 
District Court, S. D. Ohio. 
.Liberty No. 4, The 226 
Circuit Court, W. D. Tennessee. 
Brown v. Memphis &amp; C. R. Co. 51 
Ohester v. Chester. i 
Knickerbocker Life Ins. Co., 
Pendleton v 169 
Memphis &amp; C. R. Co., Brown v. 51 
Pendleton v. Knickerbocker 
Life Ins. Co 169 
Banche, United States v 715 
United States v. Sanche 716 
District Court, W. D. Tennessee. 
Brawner, United States v 86 
United States v. Brawner 86 
SEVENTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, N. D. Illinois. 
Amy V. City of Galena 163 
Chew V. Hyman 7 
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St. Lonig 8&amp;ak^{iear Mining &amp; 
Smelting Co. , Eatdn v 139 
BawyerManuf'gCo.jBuckleyv. 358 
Seott Oounty, Hall v 341 
Walker v. Flint 435 
Webster v. Bulialo Ins. Co 399 
CrEctriT Court, D. Kebraska. 
County Com'rs Adams County, 
Osbome v 441 
Gray v. Hlnton 81 
Hinton, Gray v 81 
Osborne v. County Com'rs of 
Adama County 441 
NINTH CIKCUIT. 
CmcniT Court, D. Nevada. 
Imperial MiningCo., Roach v. 
McWilliams v. Withington . . . . 
326 
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Perasich, Blttvonittn Mining 
Co.v 331 
Roach V. Imperial Mining Co. . 698 
Slavonian Mining Co. v. Pera- 
sich 831 
Withington, Me Williams v. . . . 326 
CiRcmT Court, D.. Oregon. 
Ah Jim, Bing Qee v 811 
Applegate, Dowell v 881 
Bing Gee v. Ah Jim 811 
Dowell V. Applegate. 881 
Moreno, Wilaon Sewing Ma- 
chine Co. V 806 
Orange Nat. Bank v. Traver. . . 146 
Traver, Orange Nat. Bank v. . . 146 
Wilson Sewing Machine Co. v. 
Moreno 806 
District Court, D. Oregon. 
Bridleman, United States v. . . . 894 
Canada, The 119, 248, 730 
Qlenearne, The 604 
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tbwty ^ays' notice of the time and place of such sale, in the 
iaann'Et specifically provided in said deed, and ont of the 
ptoceeds to pay said indebtedneso and the cost of sale. On 
the twentieth of June, 1859, after the making and recording 
of said trust deed, Johnston sold and oonveyed the premises 
to John A. Washington, snbject to the trust deed, and by the 
terras of the conveyance &quot;Washington assumed and agreed to 
pay the indebtedness secured by said trust deed. 
On the thirteenth day of September, 1861, John A. Wash- 
ington died intestate, leaving, as suryiving heirs, his children, 
Louisa F., Jane E., Eliza S., Anna M., Lawrence, Eleanor, and 
George, who, with the husbands of the married daughters, are 
the coiiiplainants in this casei Byhis last will and testament, 
beafing date on the fifteenth of August, 1861, John A. Wash- 
ington, after bequeathing to his son Lawrence certain family 
heir-looms, mementos, books, and manusoripts, disposed of the 
residue of his property in the following terma : &quot;(3) &gt; I give all 
of the property of which I may die possessed, other than that 
just mentioned, to be equally divided among my children as 
. they respectively become 2l years old, and until then to be 
maintained and educated out of the proceeds arising from it. 
(4) I constitute and appoint my brother Eichard B. Washing- 
ton, and my friends William Fontaine Alexander and Edward 
C. Turner, exeoutors of this my last will and testament, 
and I hereby empower them, or the survivors or' survivor of 
them, to sell any property of which I may die possessed, and 
which js beyond the limits of Virginia, in such manner and 
on such terms and for such price as to them or him shall 
seem best for the interest of my children, and to re-invest 
the proceeds arising from such sale in such other property as 
they may think best for my children.&quot; The will was duly 
probated in Farquier county, Virginia, in November, 1861, 
and letters testamentary issued to Eichard B. Washington 
as sole executer; Alexander having died and Turner having 
renounced all rights as executer under the will. 
In December, 1861, Eichard B. Washington, as executer of 
John A. Washington, gave to George H. Hughes two contraets 
in writing, by the terms of one of which Hughes was to con-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/26</title>
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trustiee to sell the whale premises, because the interest was 
an nndivided one. Tbis is only material so far as it shows 
that in this decree, which, we «nust presume, was prepared 
by the consent of all the parties before the court, the sale 
was treated as a judicial sale by the court and parties, and 
net as a sale made exolusively under the powers of the trust 
deed, further than the court saw fit to adopt those powers 
and terms. 
In this respect the ease comes clearly within the case of 
Swift V. Smith, decided by the supreme court of the United 
States ai the present tema, -which expressly holds that the 
sale was a judicial sale, although condncted and made bj 
the master in chancery of the court, who was appointed a 
trustee by the decree ; yet, at the sam« time, it was to be made 
according to the terms contained in the trust deed. If this 
was a judicial sale, I hardly need cite authorities to show 
that the owners of the fee, burdened with the iudebtedness 
which the complainant sougbt to make out of this real estate, 
were necessary parties to the suit. But it is urged that 
eqnity rule 49 dispenses with the necesaity of making these 
devisees parties to the record. Thiti rule reads as follows: 
&quot;In all suits conceming real estate, which is vested in ttns- 
tees by deviee, and snch trustees are competent to sell and 
give discharges for the proceeds of the sale, and for the rents 
and profits of the estate, such trustees shall represent the 
persons beneficially interested in the estate, or the proceeds 
or the rents and profits, in the same manner and to the same 
extent as the executer or administrators in suits concerning 
Personal estate represent the persons beneficially interested 
in such Personal estate; and in such cases it shall not be 
necessary to make the persons beneficially interested in such 
real estate, or rents and profits^ parties to the suit, but the 
court may, upon consideration of the matter upon the hear- 
ing, if it sbali so think fitj prdef such persons to be made 
parties.&quot; 
The question, then, in this case is, was the fee of this land 
vested in the executor, so as to make this rule applicable? 
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work done under contracts with the United States, where&quot;by 
Bridges, as coEttractor, and as assignee of other contractors, 
had agreed to erect marble head-stones for soldiers' graves. 
The contracts were let by the secretary of war, in December, 
1873, to four contractors: Samuel G. Bridges, Thomas P. 
Morgan, and C. S. Jones, each about one-third of the head- 
stones for the graves of known soldiers, and to De Witt C. 
Sage, blocks for the graves of unknown soldiers. Jones re- 
fused to perform the part of the contract let to him, and it 
WO.B again let to Morgan. After the contracts were let, and 
before December 18, 1874, Bridges became the assignee of 
the contracts of Sage, had purchased a part of Morgan' s, and 
had made a conditional contract with Morgan for the pur- 
chase of the balance of Morgan's and Jones' contracts. 
Bridges began purchasing stone from Sheldons &amp; Blason, 
of Eutland, Vermont, to fill bis contract, in April, 1874, at 
$1.26 per stone; and in October, 1874, upqn beconjiiig as- 
signee ofSage's.]C,ontract, made an agreement.with Sheldons 
&amp; Slason to f urnish stone for that contract at 81 «enii^ per 
'eiouef Itt'blrder to purchase-the e*iitraot fao had- to give 
sficurity for its .performance, and Slield'ous''&amp; Sl'asdn 'became 
.the security upon an ofifer;. by, .Bridges togiye a bonus in 
Ihree ][(ropositiofi» of $3,520.32. He agreed to pay for. stone, 
ftirnifehed uhder the Morgan and Jones contracts, fl.'SO per 
stone. Qn December 18, 1874, Bridges made a proposition 
in writing to Sheldons &amp; Siason, piroposing that they should 
furnish the marble for all the contracta, and the means to 
carry them on; and proposing to give them one-third the 
profits — guarantying profits to them to beatleast $20,000. 
Sheldons &amp; Slason accepted the proposition in writing as fol- 
f ows : 
&quot;The price heretofore agreed upon for head-stones and 
blocks is not to be considered as included in the $20,000 
mentioned in this as above. We assent to this proposition ; 
full agreement, in accordance, to be hereafter executed. 
&quot;Sheldons &amp; Slason. 
&quot;The understanding is that the full agreement referred to 
above may be modified and made so as to fix the compensa-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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rekseive 9 per cent, interest on advancea until repaid, and &amp; 
pet cent, interest on the priee of 'stones, 60 dajs after sbip- 
ment, until paid. • 
It was agreed that all moneys paid by the government 
nnder the contraots should be paid to Sheldons &amp; Slason 
under powers of attomeyfrom Bridges. After paying them- 
selves, compensation for stone, advances and commissions, 
they were to pay the balance remaining in their hands to 
Bridges, and until the stone were set in the cemeteries they 
were to remain the sole and absolate property of Sheldons &amp; 
Slason. The coutracts were completed in June, 1877. 
In June, 1875, a cargo of stone loaded in the schooner 
Almaretta was lost off the Bahama islands. The cargo was 
in part loaded on deck. The polioy of insurance was an 
ordinary marine polioy. No extra premiam had been paid 
for deck loading. After the loss the insurance company 
returned the premium and refased to pay any insurance. 
The cargo was a total loss. Gomplainants claimed the losa 
should fall on respondents under the eon tract, and respond- 
ents olaimed the loss should fall on complainant. 
The cauise was referred to a master to hear and determine. 
The other necessary faots appear in the opinion. 
CWmore dt Anderton and Proui a Walker, for orator. 
Daniel Robert* and W. H. Smith, tor defendants. 
Whkeleb, D. J. Tbis cause bas been heard on the report 
of the master, evidence returned therewith, exceptions by the&gt; 
orator and the defendants respectively, and arguments of 
eounsel. The exceptions, especially those of the defendants, 
are too numerous to be conveniently treated and understood 
by their several numbers or in numerioal order. The items, 
to whioh they apply, so far as separate reference to them i» 
either necessary or deemed to be proper, are taken up some- 
what in the order in which they are presented by the report; 
1. As to the item of f 3,520.83 for indorsing paper and 
meeting liabilities, presented for allowance by the defend- 
ants. This item is made up of three sums, severally Offered 
in writing by the orator to the defendants, for indorsing some 
and guarantying other of his paper, and furnishing him stone&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tribution or substitution would show that they agreed to 
make it, and the master bas found that fact. But this und- 
ing rests upon the supposition that they had agreed to make 
it, and, with that supposition removed, the finding might net 
follow. It will not do to infer the fact from the agreement, 
and the agreement from the fact. 
This case in this respect is similar to Bnggs v. Briggs, 46 
Vt. 671. There the auditor appears to have supposed that a 
sister could not recover, for services rendered to her brother, 
without an express promise to pay, or its equivalent, and 
thereupon, from the fact,that the services charged for were 
rendered without request or claim of compensation at the 
time, to have found that they were performed without expec- 
tation of payment, and to have disallowed the charges. But 
the court disregarded this finding as springing from an erro- 
neous supposition, and, as the services were valuable, and 
were rendered within the knowledge of, and without objec- 
tion by, the brother, she was allowed to recover for them. 
Here it is not at all clear&lt;*that, had the master proceeded upon 
the basis that the court does, he would have corne to the con- 
clusion that he did. That he might not is the more obvions 
from a consideration of the evidence. There is no pretence 
that the substitution was made at any time except on the 
occasion when the fuli agreement was filled up and executed. 
What was done, then, as to this $20,000, rests wholly in the 
paroi testimony of the orator and J. B. Smith, bis clerk, and 
that of the defendants Charles Sheldon and John A. Sheldon, 
except some figures on loose pieces of paper. Neither the 
testimony of the orator nor of Smith tends to show any pro- 
posai to change what had been done about the $20,000, nor 
any negotiation in the direction of distributing it upon the 
priees of the stone instead of leaving it in a gross sum ; and 
the testimony of the Sheldons is that no allusion whatever 
was made to it. The figures have amongthem $20,000, and 
snow calculations upon the number of stones to be f urnished 
at rates producing about $20,000. But this can only be de- 
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these additional matters and things, and what the defendants 
'would reasonably deserve to have for furnishing them. Thus 
the case might have to go to the master, if the court should 
undertake to find that iesue made by the pleadings. It seems 
better to send all these questions to the master, to be acted 
upon by him as shall be found necessary in completing the 
account, which will be more in accordance with the consent 
of the parties and the practice of the court. 
The report, in respect to the item of $20,000, and the mat- 
terP;,connected therewith, and the evidence thereupon, and 
the Gomputation of interest, is recommitted to the master. 
(Circuit Court, J&gt;. Vermont. May Term, 1880.) 
Whbeler, D. J. The master bas now, pursuant to the re- 
commitment of his report to him, found, without further 
hearing, that the parties did agree to divide up the $20,000 
presented as an item for allowance by the defendants, and 
distributed it to the price of such stone in making the con- 
traot executed May 20, 1875, and filed an amendment to his 
report accordingly. 
The orator insisted that the report, as it stood before, 
showed such a finding, and the defendants that it did not ; 
but the defendants filed exceptions applicable to it in that 
aspect, and the questions arising upon those exceptions have 
been fully argued. The amendment is considered to be a 
part of the report, as if it had been made before the excep- 
tions were filed, and the questions arising in respect to it, as 
argued, are considered to be open for determination now. 
These questions depend upon whether the finding of the mas- 
ter upon the issue in respect to that item shall stand as 
found, or be reviewed by the court upon the evidence taken 
before the master. 
There is no doubt about the power of a court of equity to 
revise the report of a master by supplying facts material 
which are shown by the evidence, but not stated in the report.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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4. Caekieb— Weongpul Excltjbion of Pabsenqee— Right of Resist- 
ance — Damages. 
A passenger about to be wrongfully ejected is not bound to sub- 
mit without resistance, but it should not be eneouraged, as it leads to 
afCrays and turbulence, and is generally useless where there is a de- 
termination to remove the passenger from the train. Butwliilesuch 
resistance is no defence to the action, if personal injury be inflicted 
as a resuit of it the Jury may look to the fact of resistance in mitiga- 
tion of damages. 
6. Bame Subjeot — Excessive Verdict. 
It is the exclusive province of the jury to afflx the damages, and 
where they are cautioned against excessive verdicts, prejudice, and 
passion, the court will not disturb their verdict iu a case contain- 
ing elements of gross personal indignity and injury. 
Motion for New Trial. 
Inge 4 Chandler,IQr plaintiff, oited Etting v. Bank, 11 Wheatv 
75 ; Hallaway v. Armstrong, 30 Miss. 504 ; Adams v. Poiver^ 48 
Mies. 451 ; Dorseyv. Spirey, 57 Miss. 627; Clymerv.Camefon, 
56 Miss. 593; Perry v. Clark, 5 Miss. (How.) 495,; Brantley v. 
Carter, 26 Miss.; Cameronv. Wataon, 40 Miss. 191; Corbin 
y. yCameron, 31 Miss. 670; Hanna'y. Itenfro, 32 Miss. 125; 
M.eC. R. Co. y. Whitfield, 4:i Miss. %4&lt;a ; Sirnpsoriy. ^on- 
de«, 23 Miss. 524; Pritchard v. Meyer», 13 MiiBs. (8. &amp; M.) 
532; Barkins v. Winston, 24 Misa. A8I ;' Docier y. Elli's;- 28 
Miss. 720; Bank v. Railroad Co. 58 Miss. QOOiAbbrighton^ 
V. Railroad Co, 38 Miss. 280 ; Hurst v. Railtadd Co. 86 Miss. 
^60; Bailey v. Railroad Co. 40 Miss. 402; Qarland y. Stew- 
art, 2 George, 314; Oay y. Simley, 3 George, 309; Harris v. 
Holliday, 4 How. (Miss.) 338 ; Watson y. Dickens, 12 g. &amp; 
M. (Miss.) 608 ; Woods y. Gibbs, 6 George, 559; Storall y. 
The Bank, 8 S. &amp; M. (Miss.) 305 ; Philbrick y. Hdlloway, 6 
How. (Miss.) 91; Skinner y. Collier, 4 How. (Miss.) 376; 
Bohn y. Steam-boat, 7 S. &amp; M. 715 ; Fox y. Williams, 6 George, 
533 ; Hand y. Grant, 5 S. &amp; M. 508 ; McMullen y. Mayo, 8 
5. &amp; M, 278; Cogan y. Frisly, 7 George, 178; McOhee y. 
Harrington, 13 8. &amp; M. 403; Atwood v. Meridith, 8 George, 
635; Baringer y. Nesbitt, 1 S. &amp; M. 22; Drake y. Sergent, 7 
S. &amp; M. 458; Routh y. Agricvltural, etc., 12 S. &amp; M. 161; 
Hare v. Sproul, 2 How. (Miss.) 772; Rtdon v. Sintals' Heirs,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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sion disturbance or annoyance to other passengers if he was 
admitted into a public vehiole or allowed longer to remain 
within it.&quot; This case was expulsion from a street railroad 
car, where the plaintiff was intoxicated, and used loud, boister- 
ous, profane, and indecent language. So it is with all the 
cases cited by defendant; not a single one goes upon any 
other ground than that there, must be, either existing or ap- 
prehended, some injurions, offensive, or otherwise annoying 
conduct of the person excluded; and the mere presence of 
persons of immoral character in a public car, where the im- 
morality is of the kind alleged in this case, and is oonfined to 
the private life of the individual, and does not affect her hab- 
its and conduct in public places, is no more a sufficient 
ground for exclusion than their presence in the streets, horse- 
cars, omnibuses, or other such vehicles would be. Any other 
rule would prohibit them from traveling altogether, for they 
may as well be excluded from these last as from the railroad 
cars. Indeed, the American style of railway carriages is in- 
compatible with any such classification of passengers ; the cars 
are constructed to seat not less than 60 persons, and when vir- 
tuous ladies travel in such conveyances they need not and do 
not expect to find that seclusion which is possible in social life 
at home, at hotels, and places of amusement. The &quot;ladies' 
car&quot; is not designated alone for women whose virtue is above 
reproach, but for those whose habits and behaviour are mod- 
est, genteel, and irreproachable, while traveling alone or with 
maie companions of like habits; and in it these may find 
some seclusion from the sometimes boisterous and rough 
ways of men traveling without the restraints of female society, 
but not seclusion from the presence of other women whose 
private lives, perhaps, are not what they should be, although 
their public demeanor is chaste and modest. 
The plaintiff in this case proved indisputably, I think, that 
she is not repulsive in appeai'anee; is aecustomed to dress 
well and even handsomely; behaves in a lady-like manner, 
and that on this occasion her conduct was unexceptionable. 
The defendant offered some proof of isolated occasions which 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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and sufficient for his purpose. Even in Pewrson y. Duane, 
4 Wall. 605, Bo muoh relied on, where the oaptain put ofif 
his passenger froma humane motive, to save his life, and the 
jury gave $4,000, which the supreme court, beoause of the 
mitigation, reduced to $50, the damages were punitive and 
not compensatory, as it was not shown that plaintiff had 
been damaged in fact one cent. He had paid for no ticket, 
and had no money of his own, and clearly the $50 was 
allowed to enforce the judgmerit that the exclusion was tech- 
nically wrongful, and not to compensate the plaintiff. 
In Bailroad v. Brown, lY Wall. 446, a colored woman ex- 
oluded from a car on aocount of her color &quot;with force, and, 
as she alleged, with some insuit,&quot; recovered $1,500 damages, 
and it was not even asaigned for error that the damages 
should have been only compensatory, and the court affirmed 
the judgment. The true rule will be found to be, I think, 
that in all cases where the offence is against the particular 
individual, the want of malice only mitigates the punishment 
in damages, and may reduce them to zero, acoording to cir- 
oumstances. But, where the offence is not only against a 
particular individual, but also against the public, as in most, 
if not all the cases of wrongful exclusion of passengers, the 
question is one solely for the jury to say how much punish- 
ment is necessary to enforce the rights of the public against 
the carrier, as well as to vindicate the private individual. 
The defendant here had all the benefit of the principle relied 
on when the jury were told that the facts, if true, should be 
taken in mitigation of such punitive damages as they should 
think proper to give. 
The other instruction refused was clearly asking the court 
to charge upon the weight of the testimony of Stone and Hall. 
The court charged the jury fully as to the method of weigh- 
ing testimony, and cautioned them against supposing it con- 
sisted in merely counting the witnesses. It also instructed 
them that the burden of showing violence was on the plain- 
tiff, and that it was her duty to confine her resistance within 
the point of contributing to her injuries by engaging in an 
unnecessary trial of strength with superior force. The cases&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/92</title>
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tracks at other places than t^tat which the Refendant had pro- 
vided for the purpose ? If the defendant has directly, or by 
implication, inyited Buph a, UEie of its .premises as wa^at- 
tempted by the plaintiff, the icivitation must be fpund in its 
conduct in perpiittipg others todo the same thing. -iThere 
was nothing in the nature of the defendaait's employaient at 
the freight-shed which, r^qi^ired him to .cross the defendant's, 
ti&amp;ck at all. As an employe qi the lighter^ge, company, he 
wa,s protected to the-samp estent his employer wpjild have 
been. if the latter had beenan individual instead of aMcprpQr 
ration. . Jffe had a right to use the whairf and tl^e freight-shed, 
fgr the purposes incident and, ajecessary for the , }oading,i ,ur&gt;-. 
loading.and transportation of -the defendc^nfa-freight^; But, 
assuming that itwas impHed from this .that the en;iployef Qf 
the lighterage company naight go to or; f rO;m the freight-slied, 
overthe lands of the defendant to reach the highways in the- 
vicinityof the freight-shed, if convenience should requir^,it, 
certainly was npt implied that thp, employes mightjChoo^e 
their own place for croseing the defendant's lands when-the 
defendant had already prpvided a place for crossing. The 
case is not as strong for the plaintiff as thecommon one 
where the owner of lands has allowed such persons as chose 
to do so, for their own convenience, to pass over them without 
hindrance. One who thus uses another's lands cannot cpm- 
plain if he encountersunexpeeted perils. Hounsell v, Smith,. 
97 Eng.' Com. Law, 731 ; Balch v. Smith, 7 H. &amp; N. 732; Nich- 
olson.v. Erie Ry. Co. 41 N. Y. 525. In this case the plaintiff 
and all who used the place; where plgintiff was injured knew 
it was devoted by the defendant to purposes which necessarily 
renderedit dangerousto others. 
The case is destitute of a sirigle! oircum^tance fi;om which 
it can be inf erred, that the ;plainti^ was inpted or induced by 
the defendant's ppndujot to cross where he did, , There was 
merely a ,naked license to, fii:06s,,iin.plied fromprevious ajcqui- 
escence pn the part pjf the 4efen4ant. - If thoKe was aninvi- 
taJiion tocrosSjiat all, it was to cross, ,at tjje place whiphvthe 
drfendp,nt had prepared fors that purpose. f 
■ The motion for a new trial isdenied. ,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/106</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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seq'aently we are 6f the opinion that this case ou^Ht to stand 
'u'pSn this dpcket without any final adjudication until you 
il'ave concluded that litigation in Kentueky. You can take 
tfiat case to th.e supreme coiirt, and when the supreme court 
ha's decided these questions that will be cphclusiVe upon all 
parties. There is no necessity, as we think, foir experiment- 
i'hg with all the circuit court judges in the country when you 
have one case wMch can be taken to the supremie court, and 
the iaw of the controversy there determined. In order, how- 
ever, to prote'ct the rights of the defendants as fully as pos- 
sible, we piropose to make no decree in, tins case at pfesenti 
but to continue it until we khow what has beeh the reSiilt'of 
tHat case ; and if it goes to the supreme court, until you have 
an adjudication by that court. If we weire to decide the 
question now, we would say that these defendants are clearly 
estopped upon the evidence that is before us; but, as it is 
possible there might be a different decision in the court of 
Kentucky, we do not propose to render any decree upofl that 
case based lipon the opinion which we hold, We do propose, 
however, to say to counsel here that they must go on with that 
case in Kentucky, bring it to a final decree, take it to the 
supreme court, and have the law of the Case finally settled' by 
that tribunal, Unless they are estopped from doing so by some 
decision there; and we will take no further steps until you 
Haye ddne so. 
Mr. BoYD. If your honor will pardon me, in regard to the 
course which your honor suggests there is one practical diffi- 
oulty, which rday render it impossible for us to get our rights 
there, and that is this : Your honor very well knows that in 
these motions for rehearing it is necessary that the parties 
should show and satisfy the court that as soon as the evi- 
dence came to their notice it was brought there by a motion 
for rehearing. Now, as a matter of fact, this evidence did not 
corne to the knowledge of any party until after that decree 
wag rQndered; but, as your honor will see, since this answer 
was set up nearly a year's time has elapsed. My object in 
bringing it up in this way, and not making a motion there, 
was that I supposed it would be fairer to the other side, that,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/122</title>
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Choate, D. J. Tais is a libel brought by a shipwriglit to 
recover, against the schooner B. P. Woolsey, a domestic ves- 
sel, his charges for repairing. The libel alleges that one 
Terrell, the master and owner of the vessel, delivered her 
into the possession of the libellant to be repaired; that re- 
pairs were made of the reasonable value of $869.46; that 
she has at all times remained in his aetual possession ; and 
that he has a &quot;common-law lien&quot; upon the vessel for the 
amount due him ; and the libel prays that the vessel be con- 
demned and sold to satisfy the libellant's claim. Terrell, the 
owner, alone appeared to contest the suit. He has set up 
several defences, by exception and answer, -which will be sev- 
erally considered : 
1. In the first place, it is objected that the common-law 
lien or right to hold the thing on which work bas been done 
in possession till payment of the charges incurred does not 
extend to ships; that it is a right appertaining to particular 
trades, but existing only where the usage of the particular 
trade bas established it; that it can be proved to exist only 
by proof of such usage in the particular trade. Doubtless 
this right originated in usage or custom, at first being estab- 
lished by evidence of the existence of the usage in palrticular 
trades, and afterwards being taken notice of as established 
customary law; and it seems to have been first recognized as 
existing in favor of persons exercising a qitasi public employ- 
ment as inn-keepers, and the like, who were obliged to render 
the service; but it has been extended to all artisans bestowing 
labor on goods, whether they would have been compelled to 
accept the employment or not. Thus it is said by Chancellor 
Kent, (2 Com. 635, 12th Ed. :) 
'' It is now the general rule that every bailee for hire, who, by his labor 
and skill.'has imparted an addltional value to the goods, has a lien upon 
the property for his reasonable chargea.&quot; 
And in the particular case of the shipwright who takes 
into his possession the vessel for repairs, and continues to 
hold it in his possession, the lien is too well established as 
matter of authority to be open to dispute. In the case of The 
Marion, 1 Story, 68, Mr. Justice Story and Judge Davis&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/136</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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ing the same to a lien upon the vessel. The Kemp, supra, 
488; The Windermere, supra, 728. To the contrary is the 
case of The Ilex, 2 Woods, 229, in which Mr. Justice Brad- 
ley, on the circuit, decided, upon the authority of Cox v. 
Murray, and The 8. O. Owens, supra, that a stevedore bas no 
lien for his services, because they are not of a maritime na- 
ture. 
The supreme court have never passed upon this question 
directly, but the plain effect of its decision in The Emily Sou- 
der, supra, is in favor of the stevedore 's lien; for certainly 
the stowing and discharge of cargo as nearly concern the 
fitment and business of the ship, and are as much maritime 
in their character, as the payment of custom-house dues or 
consular fees, both of which were held in that case to be 
necessary supplies, for which the admiralty gave a lien. 
Neither bas it been decided in this district ; and therefore I 
feel at liberty to follow what I conceive to be the true rule, 
as deduced from first principles, and as indicated by the later 
decisions of the supreme court and the district courts of New 
York and Massachusetts. 
To my mind it is very plain that the services of a steve- 
dore are maritime in their nature. A voyage cannot be be- 
gun or ended without the stowing or discharge of cargo. To 
receive and deliver the cargo are as much a part of the under- 
taking of the ship as its transportation from one port to 
another. Indeed, it is an essential part of such transporta- 
tion. Freight is not due or earned until the cargo is, at 
least, placed on the wharf at the end of the ship's tackle. To 
say that the final delivery or discharge of the cargo is not a 
maritime service, because it is, or may be, performed partly 
on shore, is simply begging the question, as it is the nature 
of the service, and not the place where rendered, that deter- 
mines its character in this respect. 
Without the services performed by the libellants the Canada 
would have been unable to accomplish the object of her voy- 
age, or to commence another one. The ship was in a foreign 
port, and the master without funds or credit. Standing in 
the place of the owner, he was under obligation to deliver the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/148</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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the other corporation. The petition alleges only that such 
controversy can Le fully determined as between them. It 
does not allege that such controversy can be fully determined, 
or can be fully determined as between the plaintiffs and the 
Atlanta Company, without the presence of the Eichmond 
Company. The Eichmond Company was not served with 
process in the state court, nor did it appear therein, nor has 
it appeared in this court. Any process issued now from this 
court, to bring it before this court, would be original process, 
beeause it has not been yet brought before any court, in this 
suit, by any process. It cannot be brought before this court 
by original process. It is provided by section 1 of the act of 
March 3, 1875, (18 St. at Large, 470,) that &quot;no person shall 
be arrested in one district for trial in another, in any civil 
action before a circuit or district court;&quot; and that &quot;no civil 
suit shall be brought before either of said courts against any 
person, by any original process or proceeding, in any other 
district than that whereof he is an inhabitant, and in which 
he shall be found at the time of serving such process or 
commencing such proceeding, except as hereafter provided.&quot; 
The exception is fonnd in section 8 of the same act, and 
applies only to a suit commenced in a circuit court to enforce 
a legal or equitable lien upon, or claim to, or to remove any 
encumbrance or lien or cloud upon, the title to real or per- 
son al property within the district where such suit is brought. 
This is not a suit thus excepted. The Eichmond Company 
is not an inhabitant of this district, nor, so far as appears, 
can it be found in this district to be served with process. AU 
that appears is that it is a Virginia corporation, and that it 
operates lines of railroad in Virginia and North Carolina. 
This is a suit in equity. The statute adopting the state prac- 
tioe as to suits at law does not apply to it. If it did, no such 
praotice could overrule the provision of the statute of the 
United States as to the service of process. Moreover, the 
act of 1875 is subsequent in time to the provision as to state 
practice in suits at law. There is nothing to show that the 
Eichmond Company could in fact be served with process,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/150</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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f,hat act they eould come into it only on their own petition 
for removal. Under the second clause of section 2 of the 
act of 1875, a defendant, wao is entitled to remove a case 
under that clause, may be brought into this court after process 
is eerved on him in the suit, or after he appeares in it in 
the state court, by the removal of the suit on the petition 
solely of a co-def endant who is entitled to remove it. But there 
is nothing in either of the two cases last cited which sanctions 
the view that this court can proceed with this suit against 
the Eichmond Company, unless that company is brought 
into court. The state court cannot lose what jurisdiction 
it has acquired, nor can this court acquire any jurisdiction 
to determine the contre versy named in the petition, until the 
Eichmond Company is brought in. If it sbould now appear 
in this court voluntarily, either with or without any supposed 
service of process, there would be no difficulty about the juris- 
diction, be.cause, since the act of 1875, the suit is brought 
here on the petition of the Atlanta Company alone, to such 
an estent as to allow the Eichmond Company to waive every- 
thing else, and to complete the jurisdiction of this court by 
appearing in the suit in this court. But, in view of the pro- 
vision of section 5 of the act of 1875, that if, in any removed 
suit, it shall appear to the satisfaction of the circuit court, 
at any time after the suit has been removed, that the suit 
does not really and substantially involve a dispute or contro- 
versy properly within the jurisdiction of that court, it shall 
proceed no further therein, but shall dismiss the suit or re- 
mand it, as justice may require. This court can now, on this 
motion to remand, only say that, becausethe Eichmond Com- 
pany is not yet before this court, so as to give this court 
jurisdiction as to its personality, the controversy set forth in 
the petition, and by reason of which the removal is sought, 
is not properly within the jurisdiction of this court. If de- 
sired, however, by the Atlanta Company, a reasonable time 
will be allowed before remanding the cause to give an opportu- 
nity for the voluntary appearance of the Eichmond Company 
in this court. This is quite as , competent as it would be to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/172</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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interest chargea at the several renewals, down to that of April 
6, 1877, inclusive, in the case of one of the series, and down 
to that of May 5, 1877, inclusive, of the other series, was at 
the rate of 10 par centum, and it was paid to the bank, ex- 
cept that in three instances the discount in whole or part was 
included in the new notes as part of the principal. The in- 
terest charged atthe several subsequent renewals, down un- 
til that of April 18, 1879, inclusive, of the one series, and that 
of February 15, 1879, inclusive, of the other series, (with a 
single exception, where 6 per centum was paid,) was at the 
rate of 9 per centum, which was sometimes paid to the bank 
and sometimes added into the new notes as principal. At 
the renewals on July 19, 1879, of the one series, and on May 
19, 1879, of the other series, and at all renewals thereafter 
made, the interest charged was at the rate of 6 per centum, 
the rate authorized by the Pennsylvania act regulating inter- 
est, and on each occasion was included in the new note as 
part of its principal. 
The demurrer admits that upon the discount of the original 
notes the bank charged and received usurious interest, and 
that at the several renewals, down until those of May 19 
and July 19, 1879, the bank charged more than legal interest, 
part of which, as already mentioned, was paid the bank, and 
part included in the notes given in renewal. The controversy 
relates to the amount recoverable by the bank in view of the 
provisions of sections 5197 and 5198 of the Revised Statutes. 
The former section limits the rate of interest chargeable by a 
national bank to that allowed by the local law, and the latter 
declares that &quot;the taking, receiving, reserving, or charging a 
rate of interest greater than is allowed by the preceding sec- 
tion, when knowingly done, shall be deemed a forfeiture of 
the entire interest which the note, bill, or other evidence of 
debt carries with it, or which bas been agreed to be paid 
thereon ; &quot; and in case the unlawf ul rate bas been paid, a pen- 
alty of twice the amount thereof is inflicted. The pleadings 
suggest three questions for solution : 
3 . Can the defendant set off against the plaintiff 's claim&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/174</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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illegal consideration pervaded the whole Babsequent series of 
notes. Furthermore, upon every ffesh renewal, interest was 
charged upon the UBurious interest which hadentered intothe 
prier notes as principal. Thus the rate was but nominally 
reduced to 6 per cehtnin, for with reference to the amount 
legally due the rate was in excess thereof. It appears, there- 
fore, from the admissions upon this record, that the bank, 
from first to last, persisted in its usurious charges. 
In Barnet v. The National Bank, supra, 558, it was declared 
that where illegal interest bas been knowingly stipulated for, 
but not paid, there only the sum lent, without interest, can 
be recovered. And in the First Nat. Bank of Uniontown v. 
Stauffer, 1 Fed. Eep. 187, it was held by this court that 
where a usurious rate of interest had been paid a national 
bank upon the discount of a note, no interest accruing after 
the Tjiaturity of the notecould be recovered, but only its face 
amount. Judge McKennan there says : &quot;By the operation 
of the act a usurious contract' is inherently vicious, so that it 
cannot carry any interest with it.&quot; The authorities, there- 
fore, are decisive against the right of the plaintiff here to 
recover any interest whatever upon the usurious transactions. 
It is to be added, however, that one of the notes in suit in- 
cludes an item of indebtedness of |102 growing out of an 
independent matter. 
Upon the demurrer, and under the stipulation of the parties, 
let final judgment be entered for the plaintifi, — the judgment 
to include — First, the face ainount of the original notes, to- 
wit, |6,000, without interest; and, second, the sum of $102, 
with interest on the latter sum, to be computed by the clerk.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/176</title>
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twenty-eighth day of December, 1878, he recovered in this 
court a further judgment for $1,000 debt, $1,096.08 dam- 
ages, and 133.05 costs; total, $2,129.13. Allof which judg- 
ments he avers were upon bonds issued by the defendant 
city, pursuant to the powers in its act of incorporation, to 
enable it to make varions public improvements, and for the 
interest which had accrued on said bonds; and that said 
judgments, together with the interest which has accrued 
thereon, at the rate of 6 per cent, per annum, since the ren- 
dition thereof, remain in full force and wholly unsatisfied. 
That the affaira of said city are, by the laws of this state, under the 
management and control of the city council of said city, which consista 
of • a mayor and board of aldermen ; that by an act of the general aa- 
sembly of this state, approved June 2i, 1852, said city council is authorized 
to levy and collect a tax, not exeeeding 1 per cent. , upon the assessed value 
of all the taxable property of the city, in addition to a tax of }4 Pcr cent. 
authorized by previous acts of the legislature of the state, which taxes 
shall constitute the general fund for city purposes ; and that by the same 
act they were empowered to annually assess, levy, and collect a tax of not 
exeeeding 1 per cent, on the dollar on the assessed value of all the real 
and Personal estate taxable in said city, in addition to all other taxes 
levied and collected in said city, which was to be applied aa follows, 
to-wit : 
&quot; The fund so collected shall be kept separate, and shall annually, on 
the first day of January, be appropriated and paid over, pro rata, on the 
f unded indebtedness of said city, as it may be presented by the holders of 
the same, to be entered as credits upon and to that extent in extingtfish- 
ment of the principal of said city indebtedness.&quot; 
Which provision of law was to remain in force until the whole of the city's 
indebtedness, and the interest to accrue thereon, was fully paid ; that by an 
act of the general assembly of this state, approved January 30, 1857, the said 
city council was authorized to levy and collect annually taxes not exeeeding 
1 per cent, on the dollar on the assessed value of the taxable property within 
said city, to defray the general and contingent expenses, and to constitute 
a general fund of the city; and by the same act the city council was 
authorized to levy and collect taxes not exeeeding 1 per cent, on the dol- 
lar per annum on all property siibject to taxation, to meet the interest on 
the debt of the city ; and by an act of the legislature of this state, ap- 
proved February 16, 1865, the city council was authorized to levy and col- 
lect a tax of 1 per cent, on the dollar per annum on all property subject 
to taxation, which tax, when collected, shall be set apart for the sole and 
exclusive purpose of paying the interest upon the puplic debt of the city 
while the same is in existence. 
The relator claims that by virtue of the laws thus referred 
to it became and is the duty of the city council of the city to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/186</title>
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made, is intolerable to my sense of justice, howerer it may 
appear to others, and the only doubt I have had about the 
correctnesB of the charge to the jury has been on the point 
whether the company was not bound to treat this draft at 
paid, 80 far as these plaintiffs were concemed, when they 
neglected to present it for payment on the day of its maturity. 
That they did not bo present the draft hardly admits of a 
doubt on the proof, and the probability is that it was not 
presented becanse the bank at New Orleans took the same 
view of the law that bas been iirged here, namely, that re- 
fusai of acceptance ezcused presentment of payment, over- 
looking the f arther reqairement of protest and notice to have 
this effect; induced thereto, no doubt, by the fact that they 
had been instructed not to protest, from which it might be 
reasonably inferred that there was no neoessity for prompt 
action in the premises. The burden of proving the present- 
ment was on the defendant, and that there was no such proof 
ac the law requires is plain. 1 Daniell, Neg. Inst. § 598. 
There is as little doubt that if the presentment for payment 
had been made the draft would have been paid. The draft 
for the cash portion, which, by calculation, appears to have 
been just enough to eover the interest and agent'B commis- 
sions, was paid, and, as precisely the same course had been 
pursued in reference to the first premium, it appears, by the 
aceount of G-reen^ood, that that draft was not presented 
promptly, nor for some days after it was due. This, taken 
with the proof here as to the mode of business adopted in 
reference to this draft, shows that the agents of the company 
were not so diligent or prompt in their dealings with this 
policy-holder as to justify them in requiring strict and prompt 
action on his part. Here was a man in the wilds of Arkansas, 
where communication was difficult at all times, some hun- 
dreds of miles away from this city, where the insurance 
agenoy was jlocated, and many hundreds more away from the 
city where he did all his financial business and got the money 
to pay all his debts. His insurance was solioited at his 
house by a traveling agent, who, recognizing from the nature&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/190</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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tion, Tinless that effect is destroyed by distinct reservation at 
the time that the conduct shall not so opcrate. Ins. Go. v. 
French, 4 Big. 369 ; S. C, on appeal, 30 Ohio, 247, is an ex- 
ample of these cases. See, also, Ins. Co. v. Warner, 80 111. 
410; Ins. Co. v. Anderson, 77 111. 384; Bouton y. Ins. Co. 25 
Conn. 542; Jollife v. Ins. Co. 39 Wise, 119; Seamans \. Ins. 
Co. 3 Fed. Eep. 325; Young t. Ins. Co. 4 Big. 5; S. C. 2 
Sawy. 325, which was reversed on appeal, because the su- 
preme court took a different view of the facts. Ins. Co. v. 
Young, 23 Wall, 85. These cases were relied on by the 
plaintiffs to show that the company not havjjig claimed a for- 
feiture, by giving notice of it, none had occurr^ed; or, at least, 
it had been, on the facts of this case, waived. It is plain, 
however, that the clatise under consideration protect^ this 
policy from the prinoiple of these cases sq far as they relate 
to a requirement of notice, and that it is self-forfeiting with- 
out sueh notice. The language of the clause itself makes it 
clear that it does not refer to. notice required by the com- 
mercial law to parties to the draft, but notice to &quot;any party 
pr parties interested herein&quot;' — that is, in the policy,- and it 
means that the forfeiture shall enure without notice to the 
plaintiffs, and I so charged the jury. 
It would be interesting, perhaps, to f ollow up the effect of 
the holding of the court in this case in its application to other 
situations of the parties not shown by the proot; as, for exam- 
ple, if the draft had been negotiated by the company and the 
holder had neglected to present, or if it had been aecepted and 
the acceptors had failed to pay. But it is not necessary to 
test the Boundness of the charge by such means. It will be 
found on thoughtful consideration, I think, to be consistent 
with any situation that is possible, to hold that this company 
•came, as, to this draft, under all the obligations of any ofher 
holder of such paper; and the minor points suggested in the 
argument I need not consider. 
One of the leamed counsel makes a plausible and forcible 
argument against the charge by insisting that the draft was 
iiot negotiable under the law merchant. He urged that the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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Edward B. Hill, Asst. Dist. Att'y, for plaintiff. 
Roger M. Sherman, for defendant Boyd. 
Blatohfobd, g. J. In this case a judgment was entered 
in this court, on the twelfth of October, 1872, agaiust the 
defendant, for $8,288.62. The judgment was on a verdict 
of a ]ury taken on a failure of the defendant to appear at 
the trial. The action was on a distiller's bond, on which the 
defendant Boyd was surety, and was founded on an assess- 
ment of a deficiency tax to make up the amount of spirits 
required as 80 per cent, of the producing capacity of the 
distillery as fixed by the survey, the survey being made under 
section 10 and the assessment under section 20 of the act 
of July 20, 1808. 15 St. at Large, 129, 133. In Feb- 
ruary, 1880, the defendant Boyd presented to this court affi- 
davits seeking to show that the extent of the actual capacity 
of the distillery, with thB- materials and implements used, 
did not exceed the quantity of spirits returned as produced ; 
and that, after the assessment for deficiency was made, and 
before this suit was brought, moneys were collected under a 
distraint made under the assessment, which were not credited 
in entering the judgment. On these affidavits a motion was 
made to open the judgment, and for another trial by a jury. 
The court, Shipman, J., (17 Blatchf. 451,) said that the only 
tenable reason for opening the judgment was the omission of 
the credits; that the court had power to correct such a mis- 
take on the authority of Crooks v. Maxwell, 6 Blatchf. 468; 
and that the judgment ought to be opened only for the pur- 
pose of allowing evidence to be given of payments made by 
the defendant Millinger out of his property, which ought to 
have been allowed and deducted from the face of the assess- 
ment of damages before entering the judgment, but not for 
the purpose of giving evidence of other defences to the claim 
of the plaintiff. It was urged to the court that, under the 
ruling of the supreme court in CUnkenbeard v. U. S. 21 Wall. 
65, decided at the October term, 1874, the evidence as to the 
actual capacity of the distillery would have been competent 
if it had been offered at the trial of this suit, and that it 
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the doctrine of &quot;known substitutes&quot; was referred to. If tb.e 
plaintiff, by inventing a new mode of actuating the old levers, 
can enjoin all knowu DieanB of actuating thenj, then he can. 
enjoin Whitesmith &amp; Steven, which, as I have already shown,; 
cannot be maintained. I prefex, until I am b^tier informed, 
the test used in case 308;: 5tas the defendant taken.anything 
which the plaintiff inveuted? Under &quot;anything&quot; is inoluded 
meye colorable evasions.' j This question is already answered,; 
If thA plaintiffi could not enjoi» WhiJiesmithr &amp; iSteven if they 
shouldiadoptf Connecting; rodsy they cannot jeiijointhe; def^odt 
ants, who, in law, have the right to take from the eaiflier of ;t#o, 
inventors, if he does oat comjilain, whatevertis, commou'to 
hiœ , and the later inventoif, if i he takes nothing /laore, ; 
Bill disniissed, with costs.. ■ . , -. .. - ' ^ r ' 
Adams Vf Methose and others. 
{OircuitChurt, M. B.Mmouri, May 19, liSl.) 
1. iNFEINGBMENT OF PaTENT — FORFKITTJRE OF LlCENSIi. 
WHere the owner of a patekt licenses any one to manufacture and 
seli th© patented article, and the hcense is upon express condition 
that it shall become void up9P f^ilure on the part of the licensee to 
pay a specifled royalty to the licensor, and it i? agreed that af ter breach 
of con(iition by the licensee he may be treated as an infringer of the 
patent if he continues to manufacture or sell the patented' article, 
keld,' that the licensee cannot be treated by the lk!e|isc&gt;r as an in- 
fringer, and sued as such in a court of equity, for eontinuiag to man- 
ufacture and sell the patented article after breach of condition, and 
notice to him from the licensor that he claihis a forfeifure bf the 
licenseJ ' , ' 
2. BAMB-rrK^WDIES. ' . . 
Under circumstanoes such as p.re abpve set fprth the ow^er of the 
patent may bring his action at la^ and establish his royalty and 
recover \i^hat is due, of flle a bill in chancery and have the license 
annulled. EarUliy. Tughman.dd V-B-eel. 
In Equity. ,^ , . 
This is a suit to charge defeijaants as infringerspf a patent. 
The bili alleges that complainant'is a citizen of Illinois, and tiiat de- 
fendants are citizens of Missouri; that complainant is the owner of a 
patent on an improved lantern ; that he licensed defendants to manufac-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/236</title>
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in EhflQoitrseoi hiadepositioin; , He and his experts further 
tesitify 'tbatia^o^iiwelded itube could not be made by follow- 
ingthiS modifiad. desoraption, and therefore it must have been 
intend«i:lorsomethingelse,and that there is nothing else but 
sbeet metal Eo whioh wecan. reasonably refer it. ' 
It came otit^ at theend off taa crossTexamination of Mr. Eoot, 
that be(had preserved the roagb )draft of some earlier forma of 
bisrspficifioation, and tthis papetr being put into th% case shows 
upon itM face tha/t; the mbdiEcation clause; wa» not ark&amp;tt&amp;V' 
thought, but the original for m of the specification; andthat 
it &quot;irate nbtinteiwied.ta ref^rtoisbeet metal, but distinctly and 
solely tb, platei metai. Tbeirespondeiit's counsel commented 
■sdfth !grea,t sevearity u^n; Mr; Eoot'Bseariier evidence, thus 
odutradieted,:»sibeing intenifeionally false; but it isnot ne«es- 
sary to impute anythiHg hutifoi^etfulness to the witness.' 3is 
readinesfe :&lt; in i ipuodueiifg a paper.i iwbich he might hav^ sup» 
pressed, OTght to weigh verj^ muob in his favOTuponthernoral 
iseue, if • there were sucb in the oase. The faot isjdaœaging 
enough without epithflts, foriit destroys the whale** argument 
from a supposed inteiit; and destroys the value of Mr. Eobt's 
mernory^on otherpointe. !■ ii;- ;- • .n ^l. • ■ 
TJie state of the arti,;,as showh by the Eoiglish-patenti!^ of 
Buia: &amp; Ghilds, is that spiral; Jweffled tubes had been- made by 
Barif wSth aTa/bbeied &lt; seamvand by ChiHsrwith a soarf ed seatu, 
besides ;the' vefy ©Id and well-sknown butted 8eam,&gt;by iifaich 
spirallyrwoundgunbdrrelsfaadibeen made; Towardsthe close 
of ' Ghildi^' speoicfioation are f ound these : words : ^Although I 
baye only described the ribbons, or strips, as having evoh or 
plainiscarf eageajldo not oonfinemyself toeu&lt;ih plain'edgeS, 
as itimll be obvidiisr-that they may te !of any such irregular 
{(bm^ikatwhen two edges are brought (together they -will ioek 
intO'eQMihr other.&quot; ;'It was'upan this patent, I .suppose, that 
the loffiee ref used the vei-y broad daim origiEsally a«ked for by 
Eoot. Almost as much argumentative evidence Has been 
given to' prove thait Ghildssays what hedoes not mean, when 
he speaks of the edges bf a piece ci metai loeking, as is ad- 
duoed to show that Eoot means what he doesnot say, wheb he 
epeaks of a; ruodification of a lap-welded tube.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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owners of the cargo filod a separate libel against the steam- 
boat City of Hartford and the steam-tug Unit ; and Justice 
Clifford, in delivering the opinion of the court, says that 
the &quot;owners of the cargo in such a case may, if they see fit, 
join with the owners of the vessel in promoting the cause of 
collision, or they may separately, at their election.&quot; But the 
learned eounsel for the exceptor claims that the doctrine of 
this case is only applicable to cases where thero has been a 
positive act, direct force, a collision ; but I do not see why a 
different principle should apply where the loss of a cargo by 
the sinking of the vessel is occasioned by the wrongful and 
neglectful act of the steamer towing her without collision, and 
where such wrongful and negligent acts resuit in a collision 
from which the sinking of the vessel is produced which results 
in the loss of the cargo, Phila. Wil. e Balt. R. Co. v. Phila. 
(e Havre de Grace Steam-boat Co. 23 How. 209. The wrong- 
ful and negligent party is equally liable in eitlier case, and 
the innocent party has a right to recover his damages. 
Steamer Franconia, 3 Fed. Eep. 402; The Atlas, 93 U. S. 302. 
This Jjeing so, can the insurer, who has paid to the insured 
the damages sustained by the wrongful act, and has obtained 
an assignment of the rights of the insured, maintain the 
action against the wrong-doer ? There is no privity existing 
between the insurer and the wrong-doer, and at law he might 
not maintain an action against him ; but in equity the insurer 
is subrogated to all the rights of the insured, and so acquires 
his claim against the injuring party. 2 Parsons' Maritime 
Law, 226; Hall v. Bailroad Co. 13 Wall. 367; Desty's Ad- 
miralty, 264. And being thus subrogated in all cases where 
the insured has the right against the authors of the injury, 
the insurer, on making good the loss, is entitled to enforce 
the remedy of the insured, although between him and the 
wrong-doer there is no direct relation or privity of contract 
upon which to found the action. The recovery is not upon 
the legal right, but upon the equitable doctrine of subroga- 
tion. May on Insurance, 553, 554, And in such a case the 
insurer may sue in admiralty in his own name. Propeller 
Monticello v. Molli-son, 17 How. (S. G.) 153; Ins. Co. v. C. D.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/248</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>699118</id>
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own lien under a foreign statute, so as to defeat its payment 
altogether. The equity of the watchman against the master 
is, of course, also very strong, because the master was per- 
Bonally bound to pay the debt. The Selah, i Sawy. 40. Ses, 
also, The Wexford, ut supra. 
The exceptions are therefore overruled, the report con- 
firmed, and the claim of Van Hoesen, as allowed by the com- 
missioner, will be first paid, with costs, and any residue mil 
be paid to the administrator of the master. 
CoAST Weeoking Co. and othei:s u, ;Ph«enix Ins. ,Co. 
(District Court, E. D. Km Tm-k. April 22, 1881.) 
1. Practice — MisJoiNDEB op Parties — AyEiiAGB Adjustmbnt of 
'Salvagb Claims. 
Misjoinder of parties libellant, when not objected to, will not pre- 
, j .vent a decree. . . , . , 
Where the cargo of a stranded steamer was saved by wreckers, and 
' 'by them transpotted in different lots and different ve'ssels to a place 
' i of safety, and there stored; 
, , ; f 'j^^d, ,that the service of the ■wreckers, was a continnous service, and 
all the property saved was liable to contribute towards the salvage, 
libtwithstanding it appeared that part of the service was pertormed 
' after part of the cargo had been stored in a place of -safety. 
i Where a voyage was broken up by the stranding of the vessel, and 
the cargo was transferred by salvors to a port not the pprt of deliv- 
ery, and by an agreement there ruade between the parties interested 
' in the cargo and S'.-oe H., average adjusters, the latter received the 
cargo, sold part that could not be identified, adjusted all claims as to 
the salvage except that of an Insurance company, to whom part of the 
the cargo was abandoned, and made a statement of expenses incurred 
for general and particular interest, upon which statement all parties 
made settlement except the Insurance company, who refused: 
EM, that the service performed by the average adjusters was a 
service which, in the absence of the agreement with them, would 
have been necessarily performed by the ship-owners, and was mari- 
time in its character. 
That the subject-matter of the agreement with J. &amp; H. being mari- 
time, the contract was maritime, and an action upon the contract 
could be maintained in the admiralty by them against the Insurance 
company for its proportion. 
Cutter V. Rne, 7 How. 729, oonsidered overruled by Ins. Oo.y. Dun- 
Min, 11 Wall. 1.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tion for value, and tendered four sureties in succession. 
Each surety in the first instance justified as sufi5cient, but 
on examination proved to be ■worthless and was rejected. 
There was, in fact, a bold and persistent attempt on the part 
of the clainiants to obtain possession of property in the cus- 
tody of the court by substituting therefor a worthless stipu- 
lation. The examinations made necessary in order to defeat 
this attempt involved a very considerable outlay in the way 
of fees paid for searching for judgments and conveyances 
of real estate which the proposed sureties claimed to own ; 
and the question is whether these expenses can be taxed in 
the eosts. 
In a case like this, where there was good ground to believe 
that a fraud upon the court was being attempted, I think 
the expenditure for searches was justified, and should be 
taxed as part of the costs. So, also, I think it proper to 
allow the $50 dollars paid real estate brokers to examine 
real estate claimed to be of value, but found to be of little 
value, in order to enable the court to be infonued in respect 
thereto. 
Expenses incurred under a lawful order of court may be 
taxed as part of the costs, and inserted as part of the judg- 
ment against the losing party, {Neffv. Pennoyer, 3 Sawy. 336,) 
and, upon the eame principle, expenses made necessary in 
order to defeat an attempt to defraud the court may be taxed 
and allowed. Upon the presentation of the first surety, in 
view of what then appeared, the court, if applied to, would 
have in the first instance direoted that searches be made, not 
only as against that surety, but also against any others that 
might subsequently be offered by these elaimants. 
The notary's expenses of taking the voluminous examina- 
tions of the several sureties may also be allowed. The ex- 
penses of telegraphing to attomeys in Georgia to attend at 
the examination of witnesses there are not allowed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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payments out of the proceeds of the ship towards the dam- 
ages caused by the collision go to reduce the amount of a 
liability on the part of the master which has been ascertained 
in this court and is enforceable in this court. 
The petition is therefore denied. 
The Canada. 
{District Court, B. Oregon. May 5, 1881.) 
1. Ship— MoETOAGE of. 
A mortgagor of a ship in possession with the consent of the mort- 
gagee is thereby authorized to malte any change, addition, or repair 
thereon necessary and convenient for her preservation and use as a 
ship, 80 that it does not wilfully depreciate her value as a security to 
the mortgagee ; and, in such case, the old material displaced by the 
new may be disposed of by the mortgagor as his property, unaft'ected 
by the mortgage. 
2. Same. 
But in case said material is not thus disposed of, nndis lefton board 
and passes into the possession of the mortgagee with the vessel, and is 
capable of being used in some form in its ordinary navigation, it 
would still be within the operation of the mortgage and belong to 
the mortgagee. 
3. Same. 
But if the old material, as such, is not suited for use in the naviga- 
tion of the vessel, the fact that the mortgagor allows it to remain on 
board does not show that he did not intend to withdraw it from the 
operation of the mortgage, and appropriate it in exchange for the 
new material put in its place. 
4. Old Coppbb. 
Whilethe Canada was in posession of George Howes &amp; Co., as 
mortgagors, and making the voyage from New York to Portland, 
Oregon, she was recoppered at Rio de Janeiro, and the old copper 
Btowed in her hold and brought to Portland, when she was taken posses- 
sion of by Sutton &amp; Co., as mortgagees. Hdd, that the old copper 
was separated from the ship, and withdrawn from the operation of the 
mortgage, and was the property of the mortgagors. 
In Admiralty. 
W. B. Gilbert, for libellant. 
John H. Woodwara and John W. Whalley, for olaimant.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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witnesses testifying within 10 minutes and othersafter an hour — she went 
down to the bottom, carrying with her one of her crew (Frank Smith) who 
had returned to the sinking vessel for the purpose'of detaching her from 
the Maria &amp; Elizabeth. 
It is perfectly clear that the collision was the resuit of 
faulty navigation. There was no severe stress of weather 
which affords any reasonable excuse for its occurrence. It 
can only be accounted for on the ground that one party or the 
other, or both, violated those fundamental rules of navigation 
which have been so long established for the safety of the sea, 
and many of which have become a part of the laws of the 
United States by express enactment of the legislature. 
The proctor for the libellant claims that the case is one 
where the vessels were approaching each other, — the Maria 
&amp; Elizabeth sailing with the wind free, and the Achoru 
close-hauled, — and that the rule of the sea in all such cases is 
that the ship sailing free must get out of the way of the one 
close-hauled. This bas doubtless been the law for many 
years, and bas now been incorporated in the sailing rules of 
navigation adopted by congress for the prevention of collis- 
ions. It appears as the exception of the seventeenth rule, 
(see Eev. St. § 4233.) Handaysyde v. Wilson, 3 Car. &amp; P. 
528; 1 Par. Ship. &amp; Ad. 195; The Clement, 2 Curt. 363; St. 
John \. Payne, 10 How. 557; The Ossio, 8 Ben. 518; The 
Eebecca, 1 Blatchf. &amp; H. 347. In this last case Judge Betts 
says: 
&quot; A cardinal rule of navigation, recognized by eniinent authorities, is 
that a vessel running free, and approaching another going in an oppo- 
site direction in the wind, must give way to the latter, or bear the conse- 
quences of a colHson, unless such collision be clearly produced by the 
misfeasance of the vessel that is close-hauled.&quot; 
The same learned judge subsequently {The Brig Emily, 
Olcott, 138) said : 
&quot; The rule of law is explicit that a vessel ruuning with the wind free 
must take the risk of avoiding another sailing in the wind, when the two 
meet in opposite courses, if the free vessel has the opportunity and means, 
if properly used, of so doing. Indeed, the usage for the vessel to hold 
her course, and for the one sailing free to give way in such case, has be- 
come a rule of law which imposes the losses and damage occasioned by&lt;noinclude&gt;
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\ 
ers, by their counsel, in moving for the order which the state 
court made, and the contents of such order, show that the 
objection made is of no force in this court. 
2. It is objeoted that the petition does not show that James . 
M. Brown and Howard Potter were and are personally eiti- 
zens of the United States, or of any state thereof, and that 
the averment is merely that they, &quot;* * * astheyarethe 
' qualified esecutors of the last will and testament of James 
Brown, deceased,&quot; were and are citizens of the state of New 
York. The case of Amory v. Amory, 95 U. S. 186, is cited. 
In that case certain persons, as executors, brought a suit in a 
state court of New York agiainst a citizen of New Jersey. The 
defendant, in .his' petition for reinoval, averred &quot;that said 
;|)iaiixtififs, as sucii' executors, are citizens of the state of New 
York.&quot; 'The .oourt said : . ' .; 
, &quot; Clearly thi^ fs not «vfflcient. Where, fhe jprisdictijon of the; courts of 
the IJriitfed States (iependsupon the citizenship of the|Parties, it hasrefer- 
ietie* tfc'thfe parties a^ tiersons. 'JL'^etrtion'fdr l'eitto'rai'must, therefore, 
^t^^e Sthe% persoi^l'Oatizepship of the pities/ and not teeir- official citizen- 
ship, i|fHiece pan be such a thing. i^rQpi the lapgii]^ge he^e employed, 
the court caay propierly infer that, as. persons, the defendants in errQr were 
•ntot^titizena df ifeW Yoik.&quot;^6i all' that a^'peare, they may have'iieen 
citizeasbf iiew- Jersey; as was the defendant.' 'Holding, aswe do, that a 
st^^iCflurt is not boujij3^to,surrender itsjurisdiction, upon a petition for 
remova^, until a,t least p petition is flied, which, upon its face, shows the 
ii^t of'the petitidnef lo the transfer, it was not error f or the court to 
retain the«e causes.-&quot; ■ : . 
The facts of the present case do not bring it within the 
diccisicn in Amory y. Amory. The expressio]ci, &quot;as they are 
the qualified executors,&quot; etc., introduced by the plaintiff in 
the title of the suit, and stiictly followed afterwards, is fairly 
to be iiiterpreted as ineaning and reading, &quot;sued as qualified 
executors,&quot; etc. The petition is fairly to be read as averring 
that James M. Brown and Howard Potter, sued as qualified 
executors, are citizens, etc.; meaning that they, personally, 
sued as executors, are citizens, etc. The averment as to 
James M. Brown and Howard Potter must be taken in the 
same sense as the averment as to Schultze, which is that he, 
&quot;also a qualified executer,&quot; is a citizen, etc., and as averring 
fiubstantially that they, qualified executors, etc., are citizens,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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'&quot; 6mith ». HoBTON and others. 
(Gir mit Court, S. D. New York. February 12, 1881.) 
1. Bemoval— Petition— Allegation op Jurisdictionai, Facts. 
A cause ie not removable under the act oi March 3, 1875, or section 
639 of the Revised Statutes, unless the petition for removal sets f orth 
the jurisdictionai facts. 
2. Bame—Samb— Allegation of Citizenshif. 
In a suit against copartners for damages for injury to the person, 
a removal carinot be had under the flrst clause of section 2 of the act 
of March 3, 1875, unless the petition alleges that all of the defendants 
are of different citizenship from the plaintiil.-- [Ed. 
F. W, Fitzgerald, Jr., lot plaintifP. 
G. S. Simpkins, for defendants. 
Blatchfoed, C. J. This suii was brought in a court of the 
Htate against the defendants, as copartners, to recover $8,000 
as damages for injury to the person of the plaintiff. The 
complaint alleges • 
That the plaintiff was passing along the sidewalk in front of the 
defendants' place of business, where they buy and sell flour; that the 
defendants were, at the time, taking barrels of flour intotheir said store 
from a truck standing nearthe curbstone, and in front of said store ; that 
they obstructed the sidewalk and made it dangerous and created a nui- 
sance, in that they allowed a person on said truck to negligently roll bar- 
rels of flour down a pair of skids ; that a barre) struck the plaintiff while 
she was passing between the store and the truck, and nsing due care ; and 
that she was thereby irreparably and permanently injured in her person. 
AU three of the defenda^its in time filed, in the state court, 
a petition for the removal .of ^the suit into this court. The 
petition is framed exclusively under the first branch of sec- 
tion 2 of the act of March 3, 1875, (18 St. at Large, 470,) 
and not at all under the second branch of that section, nor 
under any subdivision of section 639 of the Revised Statutes. 
It alleges that the plaintiff is a citizen of the state of New 
York; that the defendant Horton resides in the state of 
Connecticut, not that he is a citizen of that state, or that he 
is an alien or a citizen of any state; that the defendant 
Clark is a citizen of the state of New York; and that the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/284</title>
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NoEBis ». MiNEBAL PoiNT TuNNEL and otuers. 
(Gireuit Court, 8. D. Nm York. April 23, 1881.) 
1. Removal— MisTAKB m Petition. 
A case is removable, under the act of 1875, when the petition set» 
forth the necessary facts, although the removal is erroneously prayed 
for under section 639 of the Revised Btatutes. 
2. Bame— Act of 1875. 
The act of 1875 is not repealed by the marginal reference to the 
same in section 639 of the second edition of the Kevised titatutes. — 
[Ed. 
Motion to Eemand. 
E. R. Mead, for plaintiff. 
J. F. Harrison, iox defendants. 
Blatchfoed, C. J. The only objection to the jurisdiction 
of this court herein is that the petition for removal made by 
the plaintiii states that he desires to remove the suit into 
this court in pursuance of section 639, subd. 3, of the Ee- 
vised Statutes of the United States, and that he did not file 
in the state court an affidavit as to prejudice or local in- 
fluence, as required by that subdivision. The prayer of the 
petition is that the suit may be removed &quot;pursuant to the 
aforesaid act.&quot; The petition states facts which make ont 
a case for removal under the first clause of section 2 of 
the act of March 3, 1875, (18 St. at Large, 470.) The 
plaintiff was, at the time the suit was brought, a citizen of 
Pennsylvania, and the defendants were then — some of them — 
citizens of New York, and the rest citizens of Massachusetts, 
The mistake in the petition, by referring to the wrong stat- 
ute, is unimportant, when the facts set forth in it make a case 
for removal under the act of 1875.* 
- The defendants contend that there is no existing statute, 
but section 639 of the Revised Statutes, under which a re- 
moval of a suit can take place ; that in the second edition of 
the Revised Statutes, published in 1878, under authority of 
the act of March 2, 1877, (19 St. at Large, 268,) there is in 
the margin, opposite section 639, a reference to the act of 
*See upon this point Buckman v. liuckman, 1 Fed. Ref. 587.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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owned and was hi possession of eight steam-sbips, named th» 
Queen, Denmark, England, Helvetia, Erin, Pennsylvania, 
Virginia, and Louisiana. On the sixteenth of August, 1867, 
after the making of the agreement, the liquidators delivered 
the said eight steam-ships to the steam-ship company. From 
that time forward the latter company dealt with said ships as 
its own property, and managed them, and received th&amp; 
freights, and entered them in its own name in clearances, 
and advertised them in its own name, and acted as owner of 
thenx. The Navigation Company ceased to do business on 
the sixteenth of August, 1867. The Steamship Company 
commenced business on that day, and opened a set of books, 
in which its transactions were entered. The whole of th&amp; 
officiais of the Navigation Company became officiais of the 
Steam&gt;8hip Company. There was at the time no formai writ- 
ten transfer or bill of sale of the vessels made, other thaa 
said written agreement. 
&quot;The Steamship Company, limited,&quot; was incorporated by 
that name, under the companies' act, 1862, on the first of 
July, 1867. With the sanction of a special resolution passed 
by it, and with the approval of the board of trade, its nam&amp; 
was, under section 18 of the said act, changed, and it waa 
thereafter called &quot;The National Steam-ship Company, lim- 
ited,&quot; and its new name was entered on the register of joint- 
stock companies, acoordingly, by the registrar of joint-stock 
companies, and he gave a certificate to the above effect on 
the eighth of August, 1867. On the fifteenth of April, 1869,, 
the secretary of the National Steam-ship Company, limited, 
addreBsed a letter, under the seal of that company, to the 
registrar of shipping at the custom-house at Liverpool, re- 
questing that the said eight steamers &quot;at present registered 
in the name of the National Steam Navigation Company,, 
limited, be transferred to the National Steam-ship Company, 
limited, the lirst-named company having been reconstituted 
under the latter name, and being in process of liquidation.&quot;^ 
This application was accompanied by a certificate of the 
incorporation of the Steam-ship Company, limited, and a cer- 
tificate of Buch change of its name to the National Steam»&lt;noinclude&gt;
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133 the liquidators, who were appointee! by the resolution of 
July 9, 1867, took the place of the directors, and all the power 
of the directors ceased after the fifteenth of August, 1867. 
Therefore, although the Navigation Company continued to be 
a corporation after August 15, 1867, neither its directors nor 
any agent could, after that date, represent it by any act, in 
any suit, in respect of a cause of action which acerued after 
that date, especially one arising after it had parted with all 
its property, including the vessel out of whose navigation the 
cause of action arose. 
There was, therefore, no identity between the two companies 
for the purpose of the equitable satisfaction by the new eom- 
pany of the judgment against the old company. In respect 
to causes of action arising after August 15, 1867, the defend- 
ant did not take the property as trustee for the old company, 
or for persons who might have such causes of action, but 
took it as its own, liable to respond itself in suits directly 
against itself, and only in such suits for such causes of 
action. Identity of business, and adoption of individual offi- 
cers and officiais, and the use of the old property, and the 
action of Mr. Hurst in calling himself, on December 16, 
1867, the &quot;only managing agent in the United States&quot; of the 
Navigation Company, cannot vary the case. As has already 
appeared, the ownership of the vessels was not vested in the 
Navigation Company when the plaintifif's judgment was re- 
covered or when her cause of action acerued. 
On the foregoing premises it is not true, as is contended 
by the plaintifi, that the judgment against the Navigation 
Company, though involving the question as to whether the 
Pennsylvania belonged to that company at the time of the 
collision, is res adjudicata as against the Steam-ship Com- 
pany. The fact that the latter company was transferee of 
the Pennsylvania did not make it either a party or a privy to 
the suit, or a trustee for the old company in respect of the 
cause of action, the suit being one in personam. The Steam- 
ship Company had no right to defend the suit or to control 
its proceedings. The Pennsylvania was not seized in the 
suit. When, after the judgment, its property was sought to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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against the old company, and the new Company waa not a 
party to and is not bound by the judgment. The plaintiff 
bas no lien on, or a claim against, or equity in respect of, 
any property received by the defendant which she ia entitled 
to enforce in this suit. 
There is nothing in the point that Eowe and Dixon are not 
parties to thia suit. No such objection is taken in the an- 
swer. It was previously taken by plea and overruied. It is 
very clear that they are not necesSary or proper parties. The 
company bas been wound up and dissolved, and their func- 
tions are ended. No relief is prayed in regard to them. 
The defendant contends that the questions in this suit are 
res adjudicata between the parties by reason of the judgment 
in the Miller suit. The plaintiff, citing Harris v. D,, L. d 
W. E. Co. 61 N. Y. 656, contends that the discontinuance of 
the suit after judgment destroyed the effect of the judgment. 
It is not necessary to pass on this point. 
The proceedings in the admiralty suit cannot operate as res 
adjudicata. They are not so pleaded. The cause of action 
was different from that in the in personam suit, and the judg- 
ment in the latter suit was reeovered before the decree in 
the admiralty suit was entered. 
I have earefully considered all the questions in this case, 
and the conclusion ia that the bill musi be dismissed, with 
costs. 
LOVEBIDGB V. LaRNBD. 
{Circuit Court, S. D. Nea York. April 28, 1881.) 
1. Rbkewal of Pirm Debt bt Partner— Patment of Unlawfot, In- 
THKB8T Applied to thb Principal — Bill to Ebdbem — Dbmur- 
RER — COSTB. 
A. loaned the flrm of B. &amp; G. various sums at difEerent times, 
receiving firm notes, payable with unlawful interest. B. subsequently 
took up all the notes except one, giving therefor his bond, secured by 
mortgage and collaterals. B. paid part of the principal on the note 
not taken up, and the stipulated interest on all the loans. G. died.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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discretion on such motions, the case made would not seem 
to be a snfficient one. But this court bas no authority to 
grant the motion, however meritorious the case might be, 
because it must execute the mandate of the supreme court 
sent here upon the affirmance of the judgment of this court 
by the supreme court. That mandate entitles the plaintiff 
to an absolute and final judgment. If a mandate of the 
supreme court is open to construction, the court below can 
resort to the opinion of the supreme court, and can apply 
proper rules of construction, but further than this the court 
below cannot go 
In Shilleru's ExWs v. May' s ExWs, 6 Cranch, 267, where 
it appeared to the circuit court, in a case remanded by the 
supreme court for further proceedings, that the cause was 
one not ■within the.Jurisdictioh of .the court, it was held the 
circuit court was bouna tio.carry the mandate into exeeutiqn. 
In Ex parte Story, 13 fei. 339, it was held that the court 
beio'w properlyrefused to p,ll6w the defendant to file a sup- 
plemental plea and answer, because the cause wa,s before it 
upon a mandate of the supreme court, and the court below 
^y£ts hound to execute the inandate. Bee, alao. Ex parte Sib- 
hg.U, 12 Pet. 488, &quot;where it W;Saia &quot;theinferior court is bound 
bytthe decree as thelaw of the case, and must oarry it into 
eiecution accordihg to thematidate. They cannot vary it or 
examine it for any otiier purpose than execution, or give ahy 
other or further relief.&quot; In Ex parte Dubuque v. Pacifie Rail- 
road, 1 Wall. 69, where the court below, after entering Judg- 
ment according to the mandate, and thereafter affidavits of 
ability to show new facts haviug been filed, grahted a motion 
for a new trial, the supreme court issued a mandamus com- 
manding the lower court to vacate and erase the order, upon 
the ground that the authority of the court below extended 
only to executing the mandate. 
The motion is, therefore, denied.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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On the twenty-third day of August, 1877, the assured 
applied to the company's agent to pay the preinium then due. 
He had paid the premiums in all previous years to local 
agents. The company had authorized it, or at least had sanc- 
tioned it, by a.cceptano6 of the payment. With reference to 
the premium due August 23, 1877, he received no notice to 
do otherwise. A notice that the premium would be due on 
that day, and that the holder of the policy might pay it at 
the office of the company in New York, or to an agent who 
should produce areceipt signed byan officerof the company, 
was mailed by the conapany, but it was not addressed to the 
complainant, and was not received by him. This was no 
fault of his. The agent to whom he oiiered to pay the pre- 
mium refused to accept it. This, under the circumstances, 
&quot;was the refusai of the company. In the beginning, then, we 
find that the assured was deprived of the opportunity to pay 
his premium on the day it was due, and thereby keep his 
policy in force, by refusai of the company to accept the 
premium. Moreover, the agent informed the assured that 
the business of the company would be or then was in the 
hands of a receiver, and advised him not to make any more 
payments until the business of the company should be set- 
tled. Perhaps the agent was not authorized thus to speak 
for the company, but it is still a material fact that this infor- 
mation and advice emanated from one with whom the assured 
■was authorized to deal as the local representative of the com- 
pany; and the assured, it appears, was led to rely and rest 
upon this information. Meantime, the fact was that proceed- 
ings had been instituted and were then pending in the courts 
of New York for a dissolution of the corporation; and, on the 
very day the assured was seeking to paythe premium on his pol- 
icy in Wisconsin, the company was enjoined in New York from 
«xercising its corporate rights, privileges, and franchises, ex- 
cept in certain very limited particulars. It is true that on 
July 18, 1877, an order was made permitting policy-holders to 
pay thetr premiums to the United States Trust Company ; but 
again, by the fault of the inaurance company, notice of this 
•order was mailed under the wrong address, and was never&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/324</title>
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Knickerhocker Life In». Co. v. Dtetz, 8 Ins. L. J. 544 ; Winchdl v. John 
Hancock Mut. Life Ins. Co. Id. 651 ; Johnson v. Southern Mut. Life Ins. Go. 
9 Ins. L, J. 189 ; Anderson y. St. Louis Mut. Life Ins. Co. 5 Bigelow Ina. 
Rep. 527; Seamans y. JT. W. Mut. Life Ins. Co. 3 Fed, Rep. 325; and 
Whitehead v. Universal Life Ins. Co., decided by supreme court of Missis- 
sippi, unreported. 
BaBEETT V. HOPKINS. 
{Circuit Court, B. Eansas. January, 1881.) 
1. COTJET MaBTIAL — JtTRISDICTIOIT. , 
The jurisdiction of a general court-martial may always be inquired 
into by the civil courts, upon the application of any party aggrieved 
by its judgment, and if such a court exceeds its authority, and under- 
takes to try and punish a person not within its jurisdictioii, its judg- 
ment is void, and may be so declared by any court having jurisdiction 
of the proper parties and of the subject-matter. 
2. Samh— Habbas Corpus. 
Where a soldier in the anny of the United States was arrested for a 
crime, and his term of enlistment expired before his trial and convic- 
tion by court-martial, it was held that the jurisdiction of the court 
having once attached by the arrest, it retained jurisdiction for all the 
purposes of the trial, judgment, and execution. 
Petition for Habeas Corpus. 
The petitioner was, on the sixth of September, 1878, an 
enlisted soldier in the army of the United States, on duty in 
Wyoming territory, and on that day unlawf ully assaulted and 
shot another soldier. For this olience he was arrested and 
held in custody, under charges properly preferred, awaiting 
the appointment and convening of a court-martial until the 
following March, 1879, when he was bronght before a court 
martial, convicted, and sentenced to five years' imprisonment 
in the Kansas penitentiary, where he is now confined, in the 
custody of respondent, as warden, in pursuance of said sen- 
tence. Between the time of the commission of said crime 
and the prisoner's arrest and the commencement of his trial 
his term of enlistment expired. He petitions for release 
from imprisonment upon the ground that the court-martial 
had no jurisdiction to try and convict him after the expira-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/330</title>
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3. The third defence stated is that the same cause of action 
pending is before the supreme court of Missouri, during the 
pendency of which a transfer of the alleged title was made to 
this plaintiff. 
If the allegations were of a collusive transfer, in fraud of 
jurisdiction, that question, it is contended, should be raised 
in abatement. Even if that were the rule, strictly, the aver- 
ment is not suf&amp;oient to raise the question. It is not averred 
that there was a collusive transfer, or that the plaintiflE was 
not, at institution of this suit, the owner in fee. 
The demurrer is sustained. 
United States v. Labette Countt. 
(Oircuit Court, D. Kamas. , 1881.) 
Mandamtjs — Public Officeb. 
The only office of the writ of mandamus, when addressed to a pub- 
lic otecer, is to compel him to exercise such functions as the lawcon- 
fers upon him, and such part of the mandate of the writ as enjoins 
the performance of duties he has, under the law, no power to per- 
form, is void. 
SaMB — BOABD OP COUNTT CoMMISSIONERS— LEVT AND COLLECTION 
OF Taxes to Satisfy Judgment. 
The laws of Kansas, relative to the collection of taxes, require — 
(1) That the taxes shall be levied by the board of county commission- 
ers ; (2) that the tax roll shall be prepared by the county clerk ; (3) 
that the taxes shall be collected and paid over by the treasurer. A 
writ of mandamus having issued commanding the board of county 
commissioners &quot; to levy and collect a sufflcient tax&quot;to paya judg- 
ment against the county, and &quot; to cause the said moneys to be paid 
overto&quot; X., the board levied the tax, but it was not collected and 
paid over. Held : 
(1) That section 6, c. 107, Laws of Kansas of 1876, did not empower 
the board to collect the taxes therein ref erred to, except through the 
usual agency of the ofilcials of the county, as other taxes were col- 
lected. 
(2) That the members of the board were not punishable for con- 
tempt for failing to obey a writ commanding the performance of 
duties which by law devolved on the county clerk and treasurer. 
(3) That the county clerk and treasurer were not punishable for 
contempt for failing to obey a writ which was not addressed to or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/334</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&quot; The remedy is, in ]aw and in theory, adequate and perfect. The 
difflculty is in its execution only. The want of a remedy, and the inabil- 
ity to obtain the fruits of a remedy, are quite distinct, and yet they are 
confounded in the present proeeeding. * * * * The legal remedy 
is adequate and complete, and. time and the law must perfect its exe- 
cution.&quot; 
, 2. It is Buggeated, by c&amp;unsel for the relator, that the 
board of county commissioners are authorized, by the tenus 
of section 6, c. 107, Laws of Kansas of 1876, to levyand col- 
lect the taxes necessary to pay the judgment. That section is 
as follows : 
&quot;Wheneyer any honds shall be.issued in pursuance of the foregoing 
provisions,' it shall be the duty of the board of county commissioners, or 
themayor aM counsel of the city, to levy and collect annually, in addition 
to other taxes, a tas on all taxable property in such county, township, or 
city, sufflcient to pay the interest on ^uch bonds as the same shall become 
due, and to create a sinking f und sufflcient to pay said bonds at maturity ; 
and such tax shall be collected as other taxes are collected, and paid out 
by the treaSurer, upon presentation of the coupons or bonds when due at 
the treasurer's office, or at such place as may be specified in the petition 
or proposition herein mentioned.&quot; 
This section prescribea no new mode of collecting and 
paying over these particular taxes. It must be construed as 
applying the machinery afforded by pre-existing laws to the 
collection and disbursement of the taxes provided for in that 
act. True, it provides in general terms that the board of 
county commissioners shall &quot;levy and collect&quot; the taxes, but 
it also, in the same sentence, declares that &quot;such taxes shall 
be collected as other taxes are collected.&quot; This laat provision 
only makes clear what would probably have been the mean- 
ing of the section without it, since a general provision direet- 
ing the board of commissioners to collect a particular tax 
could hardiy be held to go further than to require them to 
proceed, according to law, to perform that duty through the 
proper officers and agenciea. The section further provides 
that the tax, when collected, shall be &quot;paid out by the treas- 
urer on presentation of the coupons or bonds when due at 
the treasurer's ofSce,&quot; etc., which clearly shows that the 
board of county commissioners were not empowered to per- 
form that duty. Inasmuch as this section provides for the 
collection of the tax &quot;as other taxes are collected,&quot; it becomes&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/338</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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McWlLLIAMS V. WlTHINGTON. 
[Oircuit Ouurt, D. Nevada.' May 9, 1881.) 
1. TmB Ppbchasb fbom State— Sale— Execution. 
The interest which a person has under a time purchaae from the 
State, while the contract remains in force, is property subject to sale 
upon execution. 
2. 8AME — RlQHT OF PUKCHASKB. 
The purchaser at such sale has a right to make the annual pay- 
ments and perfect the title. 
3. SAME— DtTTT OF MOKTGAGOn. 
In the absence of any false representation as to the extent of his 
interest or coutract, at the date of the mortgage under which the 
property is sold, it is not the duty of the mortgagor to perfect the 
title by making the annual paymcnta. 
4. Same — Failtjre of Titi,e— Kemedt. 
The proper remedy of a purchaser at execution sale is by motion 
in the same suit, in case of a total failure of title. 
8. Same — Same. 
Section 1300 of the Compiled Laws of Nevada is a rule of decision. 
Kirkpatrick &amp; Stephens, for plaintiff. 
Robert M. Clarke, for defendant. 
HiLLYER, D. J. This is a motion to vacate the satisfaction 
of judgment entered herein, set aside the sale, and revive the 
judgment to the extent of $4,000. It is based upon a peti- 
tion, and by agreement of counsel has been submitted upon 
the petition and the answer thereto. The petition presented 
a case of total failure of title, and a demurrer to it was over- 
ruled. The answer makes the following case, which is agreed 
to as true : 
The property was sold by the marshal, September 3, 1879, and at that 
time Withington, the defendant, had entered into a time contract with the 
State of Nevada, under section 3820 of the Compiled Laws, for its pur- 
chase, and had made at least one annual payment. The contract was 
still in force. McWilliams bought the property for $4,000, and, on receipt 
of $2,000 in addition, entered satisfaction of the whole judgment on Octo- 
ber 9, 1879, and In March, 1880, rcceived the marshal's deed. On Novem- 
ber 17, If 79, no annual payment having been made by either Me Williams 
or Withington, the state, as it had a right to do under the law, sold the 
lands to other parties and issued patenta about December 16, 1879 ; so 
that at the date of the marshal's deed Withington had no interest in the 
property.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/344</title>
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being in regard to the plaintiff's excuse for not doing work 
in 1880, after the daim was forfeited under the mining lawa 
of the United States. It is agreed that no work was in fact 
donc on the claim by the plaintiff after October, 1878. The 
claim was originally located January 3, 1876. January 22, 
1880, congress amended the mining law by adding the follovv- 
ing words to section 2324, Eey. St. : 
'^Providnd, that the period within which the work required to be done 
annually on all unpatented minerai claims shall commence on the flrst 
day of January succeeding the date of location of such claim; and this 
section shall apply to all claims locatud since the tenth day of May, A. D. 
1872.&quot; . . •■ 
It was faintly argued that this proviso gave the plaintiff 
the whole of the year 1880 in which to do work, although 
none had been done in 1879. The objectof this proviso was 
to make awnQiiiform poriod for the annual work on all&quot; claims 
located since May 10, 1872, and fixed the first of January 
next succeeding the date of location as the time of its com- 
meneemient. A claim^located. as this was, January 3, 1876, 
would not require any labor to be done on it under this pro- 
visobefore Dec'ember 31, 1877. Before the proviso, work had 
to be done by January 2, 1877. But in this casino question 
ia 4iiad« las, to the work.being. done. upio January 3, 1880. 
The IftBttwdrk done in Octobei', 1878, held the claiin until Jan- 
uary 3, 1879. As the law then stood, work was required 
before, January 3, 1880, and, not havirig been' done, the claim 
was forfeited uniess work were resumed as the law provided. 
The law of January 22, 1880, did not, in my judgment, act 
retro ^pectively, and its first application to the plaintiff's claim 
would have been January 1, 1881. Claims located prior to 
May 10, 1872, had already been provided for byextending the 
time for the annual expenditure thereon to January 1, 1875. 
18 St. 61. By applying the law of January 22, 1880, to 
all claims located since May 10, 1872, all cases were pro- 
vided for, and a rule for all annual expenditures established 
uniform with the calendar year. This is the view of the 
general land-office, and is undoubtedly correct. Sickles' 
Mining Laws and Decisions, 1881, pp. 392, 393. Thus there&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/348</title>
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menacing a character as to satisfy a man of ordinary pru- 
dence it would be unsafe to begin work, and in such case it 
might be an excuse for non-performance. But that is not 
this case. Had Harpham, instead of visiting Perasich at the 
Tilden mine, gone to plaintiff's mine and begun work, at 
the worat he would have had to leave when ordered off. 
There is not the least probability that he would have been 
injured in his person if he had been willing to do this with- 
out resistance. I have no doubt, from the testimony, that 
had Harpham at this time commenced work on the claim 
resolutely, the defendants would never have interfered with 
him. At all events, I find that his fears of personal violence 
had no sufficient foundation, and did not justify him in de- 
clining to m^ke an effort. It follows that the claim was open 
to relocation on the twenty-seventh day of September, 1880, 
when, according to the agreed statement of facts, it was re- 
looated by the defendant Thomas Perasich. 
Another view of this case is this : The complaint alleges 
an ouster on the twenty-fifth day of November, 1879, by the 
defendants. Now, it would have been sufEcient to have 
shown such an ouster, and, if continued as alleged to 
the time of bringing this suit, it would have been unneces- 
sary to show that work had been performed by the plaintiff 
so long as the defendants withheld possession; because, in 
November, 1879, there had been no forfeiture. The plain- 
tiff, then, shoald have stood upon proof of these facts, if they 
could have been established. But I presume that it had no 
sufBcient proof of them, for it was distinctly admitted, as 
has been before stated, that ujiless work was done after Jan- 
uary 3, 1879, or such an attempt to work as amounted to 
the same thiug, the claim had been forfeited. The ouster, 
admitting one to have been proved, was in June; the proof 
consisting of an alleged statement by Thomas Perasich, 
seven miles from the claim, that he was in possession. But 
the plaintiff sought to establish a possession in defendants, 
and claims that it did so. It was obliged to show possession 
in the defendants at the time of bringing this suit or f all in it. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/360</title>
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ants, and, among other things, sold these five machines. It 
is testified that they were not supposed to be of any value, 
and they were not used by the defendants, but remained in 
their lumber-room, as I understand, until after this suit was 
brought. Forehand swears that he notified the defendants' 
agent, who conducted the negotiation on their part, that he 
doubted whether he had any right to sell them these ave 
machines. 
It seems, then, that the defendants, though they bought 
the five machines of persons who themselves had a right to 
use them, obtained no such right. This disposes of the nice 
point of law as to the measure of damages, in the use of five 
new machines, by a person who had a right to use five old 
ones ; as well as of the deduction of about $4,000, which 
the master reported as an alternative finding, if it should be 
held that no profits made by the use of the five machines 
themselves were to be included in the decree. 
The ingenions argument, from the dates and contents of 
written papers, to prove that the commissioner of patents 
must have been deceived and defrauded concerning the state 
of the title when he granted the extension, needs the support 
of actual evidence of fraud. 
I have considered all the other points presented, but do 
not find it necessary to refer to them in detail. I do not find 
that either the original decree or the master's report has been 
successfully assailed, and I affirm the finding of profits as 
assessed at $40,367.26. 
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adise, 5 Wall. 546.* Furthermore, the cargo concerning the 
ownership of whioh the dispute exista has been converted 
into money, and the money has been paid into the registry 
by consent of the claimant, and the court, having the money, 
must of necessity have jurisdiction to determine to whom it 
belongs. The determination as to the person entitled to 
take the money from the registry, will, of necessity, involve 
the question of the claimant's right to the property which 
the money representa; and this is the very question sought 
to be raised by the libel. I see no objection to the joinder in 
a single action of the proceeding against the vessel and the 
proceeding against the cargo, inasmuch as both proceedings 
arise out of the same transaction, and it is not seen that the 
right of the parties can be afifected by the joinder, 
Without, therefore, expressing a final opinion either in 
regard to the liability of the vessel or the juriediction of the 
court in the matter of the cargo, the order now made will be 
that the case proceed to a hearing upon pleadings and proofs, 
with liberty to the claimants at such hearing to raise and 
reargue either of the questions last above mentioned, in view 
of the facts as they may appear in evidence, ..j, 
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2. The separate plea in bar of the defendant Park to that 
part of the bill praying for an injunction against him in re- 
spect to the notes given for the settlement of the claims of the 
minois Tunnel Company, that the complainant has com- 
menced a suit against him to recover damages upon the 
same cause of action, which suit proceeded to a judgment in 
favor of the defendant, is clearly had, because it appears, by 
the record filed with and made part of the plea, that the 
judgment was rendered upon a nonsuit of the plaintiff, and 
not upon the merits. It is therefore no bar to a new suit 
upon the same cause of action, nor does it estop or conclude 
the plaintiff as to the facts alleged both in that action and in 
this suit as the ground or cause of action. 
3. The second separate plea in bar to the same part of the 
bill last above referred to, is based onthe judgment recovered 
in the district court of the third judicial district of the terri- 
tory of Utah, upon the same notes, the collection of which is 
here sought to be restrained by injunction. Whether this 
judgment is binding and conclusive upon the complainant, 
depends upon the question whether the court acquired juris- 
diction of the person of the defendant in the action, the pres- 
ent complainant. The plea avers that the said defendant 
Park, plaintiff in that action, &quot;caused the service by sum- 
mons in said action to be made by the United States marshal 
for said district upon the orator, through its duly authorized 
agent resident in said Sait Lake county aforesaid.&quot; By set- 
ting the plea down for argument, this averment is admitted 
to be true, except so far as the record, since produced and 
made part of the plea, shall contradict the averment. The 
record contains nothing inconsistent with this averment. 
On t' e contrary, the record recites that the defendant, the 
Emma Silver Mining Company, (limited,) was regularly 
served with process and failed to appear and answer, and 
accordingly judgment was entered by default against the 
defendant. Although it is competent for a defendant in a 
judgment record to contradict the record to the extent of 
showing that no personal service was made upon him, and 
thereby to avoid the effect of the judgment, showing in faot&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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be held, therefore, that the court had jurisdiction of the per- 
Bon of the defendant, and the judgment, though by default, 
for want of answer or appearance on the day of trial, is bind- 
ing on the complainant. The plea, however, further alleges 
that the judgment has been satisfied by the sale on execution 
issued under said judgment of the property of the complain- 
ant, being the same property -which is sought to be recovered 
by the decree of rescission. The bill avers, in reference to 
this sale on execution, that the property was bid in by one 
Lincoln, as the agent, and for account of the defendant Park. 
It is suggested on behalf of the defendants that the fact of the 
sale on execution of the subject-matter of the contract sought 
to be rescinded, which fact must be held to be admitted by 
setting down this plea for argument, puts an end to complain- 
ant's right to rescind, because it makes it impossible for com- 
plainant to restore the property to defendants upon a rescis- 
sion. This point, however, is immaterial, so far as this plea is 
ooncerned, for this is not a plea to the bill as a bill for rescis- 
sion, and therefore the question cannot be raised on this plea 
whether the complainant is entitled to rescind. It must be 
assumed for the purpose of this plea that there may be a 
decree of rescission. 
Aside from this consideration, I see no reason why, if the 
defendant Park took the property imder the sale in execution, 
as is in effect alleged in the bill, with full knowledge of the 
equitable rights of complainant to have the original sale 
rescinded, the defendant Park may not be treated in equity 
as having bought the property subject to those equitable 
rights. By suffering judgment to be taken against it in that 
action the complainant cannot be deemed to have consented 
to or joined in the transfer of the property under the sale on 
execution, nor to have waived or forfeited its equities against 
one having full notice of them. It is enough, however, to say 
that the question, though disoussed by counsel, does not fairly 
arise on this plea. The record must be held to estop the 
complainant from availing itself against the defendant Park 
of the facts averred in the bill which would have constituted 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/430</title>
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alleged in the bill, and ajso the commencement of the other 
suit in this court brongbt against the defendant Park, among 
pther things to reoover damages for failure on bis part to 
daliver certain ores mentioned in the contract of sale, and 
therein agreed to be delivered to complainant, and whicb, by 
the original contract of sale, the defendant Park bound bim- 
self peisonally to deliver. The record produced shows that 
this second action resulted in a judgment of nonsuit by rea- 
spn of the complainant's failure to appear and prosecute it 
^fter issue joined. 
Tbe plea avers that by said actions the complainant bas 
elected to affinn, and bas thereby in legal effect affirmed, the 
contract, and; elected to bold the property thereby obtained, 
and cannot be beard after such election to demand the resois- 
sion of the sale. The first question raised under this plea is 
as to the meaning and scope of the plea itself. It is insisted 
by the d€&gt;fendant8 that the plea, should be sustained on the 
grpund that the facts therein alleged show laches and inex- 
cusable delay on the part of the complainant in bringing this 
suit. The plea indeed avers that this suit was not commenced 
until November, 1877, about 6 years after the sale sought to 
be rescinded. The averment of the time of the commence- 
ment of the suit for the purpose of showing that it was after 
the commencement of those prior suits, which are relied upon 
asindicating or constituting an election to affirm the contract, 
was a proper averment in a plea designed to raise the defence 
of an election to affirm the sale by the bringing of those suits ; 
and it is not to be argued from this averment that the plea 
was intended also as a plea of laches. The plea itself states 
with great exactness the point by way of defence to which its 
averments are designed to converge, namely, the affirmance 
of the sale by electing to take remedies inconsistent with ita 
rescission. This is a different defence from laches or delay 
in proceeding to bring the suit to rescind. Moreover, the 
court refused to allow a plea qi laches or of general acquies- 
cence to be filed, and if the plea were ambiguous, as it is not, 
it would be construed as being designed to be in conformity 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/442</title>
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against the Spartanburg &amp; Asbeyille Eailroad Company, J. 
B. Cleveland, and W. H. Inman, trustees named in the mort- 
gage, and Eice &amp; Coleman, Fry &amp; Deal, E. Clayton, and John 
Garrison, creditors of the Spartanburg &amp; Asheville Eailroad, 
as contraotors, laborers, and material men, for the foreclosure 
of the mortgage to secure said bonds. The defendant corpo- 
ration was formed by the consolidation of the Spartanburg &amp; 
Asheville Eailroad Company, of South Carolina, and the 
Greenville &amp; Prench Broad Eailroad Company, of North Car- 
olina, July 31, 1874. The stockholders of the Spartanburg 
&amp; Asheville Eailroad Company, August 9, 1876, adopted a 
resolution in regard to placing a mortgage on the road, which 
was followed on the same day by the adoption of a similar 
resolution by the board of directors. The mortgage, securing 
bonds to the amount of $670,000, was executed October 1, 
1876, by the president affixing the seal of the company, and 
signing, &quot; The Spartanburg &amp; Asheville Eailroad Company, 
by D. E. Duncan, President.&quot; W. K. Blake signed it as sec- 
retary and treasurer of the company, and W. H. Inman and 
John B. Cleveland, the trustees, also signed it and affixed 
their seals. Afterwards, but prior to September 28, 1878, two 
of the directors afSxed their hands and seals. This mortgage 
was duly registered in Spartanburg county, South Carolina, 
June 20, 1877. The master finds that the mortgage was duly 
registered in Buncombe eounty, North Carolina, November 
25, 1878; in Henderson county, North Carolina, November 
23, 1878 ; in Polk county, North Carolina, November 22, 1878. 
Six hundred and forty-twothousand dollars of the bonds passed 
out of the hands of the company; $4,500 becoming the 
property of plaintiff V. E. Tommey. Six hundred and fifteen 
thousand dollars were held as collateral. The mortgage 
provided that the whole amount of the bonds shonld fall due 
upon default in the payment of interest for six months. De- 
fault was made, upon which this suit was b'rought. Fry &amp; 
Deal entered into a contract with the Spartanburg &amp; Asheville 
Eailroad Company, June 2, 1877, to build four trestles on the 
line of the road in Polk county, North Carolina, and the work&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/454</title>
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, DtJNDT, D. J. This suit ie based upon 122 coupons, eacb 
for the 8um of $25, which were detached from a series of 
bonds of $500 each, voted by the people of Juniata precinct,. 
and issued for and 04 behalf of said precinct by the county 
commissioners of Adaois county, to aid in the erection of a 
steam grist^mill. It is shown by the petition that on the 
twenty-sixth day of November, 1872, an election was held in 
said precinct, at which time bonds to the amount of $6,000' 
were voted, and that on the same day bonds were issued in 
that sum for the purpose aforesaid; that the bonds and cou* 
pons were porchased by the plaintifif before due, without 
notice, and for a Valuable consideration, and that the same 
are wholly unpaid. 
The defendant demurs to the petition, and two important 
questions are presented for consideration by the demurrer: 
First. Has the court jurisdiction to hear and determine the 
matter in dispute betwepn the parties? and, second, do tha 
facts stated in the petition constitute a cause of action, and 
JHstify a recovery against the defendant; or, rather, against 
the precinct represented by the defendant ? 
The defendant has not seen proper to state just why th&amp; 
court is without jurisdiction in the premises, but I conolude 
that it is because of the supposed want of authority to pro- 
ceed against a county to enforce the payment of a bond issued 
on behalf of a precinct. It is clear enough that the laws of 
this state authorize the qualified voters of an election precinct 
to vote for the issuing of bonds for specified purposes, and 
when properly voted they are to be issued by the county 
commissioners of the county in which the precinct may be 
situated. It is equally clear that an election precinct, f ormed 
under the laws of this state, has no corporate existence. Such 
a political subdivision is formed for mere convenience of vot- 
ing. It cannot sue or be sued, because it has no offieers of 
its' own to prosecute or defend a suit. The supreme court 
of this state has given an authoritative exposition of the law 
upon this subject, and that must be deemed conclusive until 
otherwise decided by the highest judieial tribunal in the land. 
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is set aside and a new trial is granted. The very granting 
of a new trial implies that the proceedings which resulted in 
the prior verdict was a trial. The docket fee is allowed for 
&quot;a; trial.&quot; Each trial is a trial, and a docket fee of $20 for 
each trial is allowable now, although the verdict at the first 
trial was for the plaintiff, and although the first verdict for the 
defendant was set aside. The present verdict for the defend- 
ant gives him a right to now tax in his favor the three docket 
fees. The practice in the state courts of New York is to the 
same effect. Hamilton v. Butler, i Rob, 654; Strong v. Day, 
H How. Pr. Eep. 390; Howell v. Van Siclen, 8 Hun. 524. 
Note. In the Say Oity, 3 Ped. Rhp. 47, the court held that the fee was 
taxable under section 824, whenever the trial was entered upon by the 
swearing of a jury in a common-law case, or by the introduction of tes- 
timony, or the final opening of the argument upon a final hearing in equity 
or admiralty. &quot; The fee,&quot; said the court, &quot; is not made by the statute 
to depend upon a judgment or decree, but is taxable on a trial or final 
hearing.&quot; The fee was therefore allowed in that case, which was a 
suit in admiralty, upon a discontinuance by the libellant after the evi- 
dence upon both sides had been concluded. In Shafer v. Oarr, 6 Fbd. Rep. 
466, in an action by an assignee to recover the assets of a bankrupt, two 
trials were had, but the jury disagreed in both instances, and the case was 
flnally discontinued. Under these circumstances it was held that there 
had been no &quot; trial before a jury,&quot; within the terms of section 824, which 
would authorize a taxation of a docket fee of $20. 
Ih this connection, a reference to the case of Osborn v. Osborn, 5 Fed. 
Ref. 389, may not be inappropriate. In that suit, which was equitable in 
its characler, certain questions had been submitted to a jury, uuder the 
provisions of a state statute, but by reason of a disagreement no verdict 
was found. The court there held that there had been no such final hear- 
ing or trial in the state court as would prevent the case from beini^ 
removed into the federal court under the provisions of the &quot;Local Preju- 
dice Act.&quot; &quot; The verdict of the jury,&quot; said the court, &quot; becomes a neces- 
sary part of the final trial of the case.&quot; — [Ed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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2. ■ Same— Receipt OB' Uistilled Spihits — Uev. St. { 3317 — 20 St. 4.T 
Lakge, 339. 
The receipt of distilled spirits produced at and removed from an 
illicit distilleiy, aore wlthin the scbpe of section 3317 of the Bevued 
Statiites, as amended by the act of March 1, 1879. 
S. 8amb— AvEKME^ , IN Infokmatioit— Proof. 
An averment in such information that the spirits were received 
from some person or persons to the district attoraey as yet unknown, 
was not necessary to a prosecution under the statuts, and did not 
require to be proved. 
4. SAMB— InFOBMATIOH— TBIAIt— JtTEOB. 
Upon the trial of such information, the defendant cannot object 
to the empanelling of a jury upon the grouhd that a juror whose 
name was drawn from the jury-box in due order of lot, to try said 
defendant,- had depai-ted the court without leave before said jury 
had been empanelled.— [Ed. 
Information. Motion in arrest of judgment and for a new 
txial. 
Benediot, D. J. The defendant was prosecuted under Eev. 
St. § ,3317, as amended by the act of March 1, 1879, (20 St. 
at Large, 339,) by an information containing three counts, 
and was convicted upon the first and third counts. In the 
first count he was charged with having carried on the busi- 
ness of a rectifier of distilled spirits at a certain time and 
place, with intent to defraud the United States of the tax on 
distilled spirits rectified by him. In the third count he was 
charged with having received at a certain time, at No. 623 
West Twenty sixth street, in this city, from some person, to 
the district attomey unknown, certain spirits which had been 
unlawfully removed from a distillery to a place other than 
the distillery warehouse provided by law, to-wit, to the place 
above described, knowing and having reasonable grounds to 
believe that the tax on said spirits had not been paid as 
required by law. 
A motion in arrest of judgment and for a new trial haa 
been made, and numerous points have been presented in 
support thereof. These points have all received attention, 
and we find in none of them a grouud upon which to arrest 
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at the trial, is not available as a ground for granting a new 
trial. Neither is it ground for arrestiog the judgment. 
&quot;A motion in arrest o£ judgment ceia be grounded only on some objec- 
tion arising on the face of tiie record, and no defect in the evidence, or 
irregularity at the trial, can be urged at this state of the proceedings.&quot; 
Heard on Criminal Pleading, 316. 
Moreover, this is not the case of an omission to name the 
defendant or the party injured, It was not necessary to set 
forth the name of the person who delivered the spirits to the 
defendant, provided the act of receiving was otherwise suffi- 
ciently described. The statute punishes the act of receiving 
without regard to.the manner of receiving or to the person 
making the delivery. Bvery form of receiving is made pun- 
ishable, and evidence as to vrho was the person making the 
delivery is not necessary to a conviction. The averment in 
the information that the person who delivered the spirits to 
the defendant was unknown to the district attorney was un- 
necessary, and did not require to be proved. 
Mueh stress has also been laid upon the fact disclosed by 
the record that Samuel E. Walsch, one of the persons sum- 
moned to attend, the court as a juror at the January term, 
and who had been in attend ance at court on the da'y the trial 
commenced, and whose name was drawn from the jury-box 
in due order of lot'to try the defendant, had departed the 
court without leave, whereupon it was insisted by the counsel 
for the defendant that the defendant was entitled to said 
Walsch as a juror, and objection was made to proceeding 
with the empanelling of the jury without said Walsch. The 
objection was overruled, and a jury was selected without said 
Walsch. No authority binding upon this court has been cited 
in support of this position taken in behalf of the defendant, 
and we are not inclined to be the first to declare a rule which 
would put it in the ppwer of a juryman, by departing from 
liie court room, to prevent the continuance of a trial until 
such time as he could be found and brought back to the court 
room. 
We are unaware of any principle requiring us to hold that, 
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waa optional with the workman, and that the defendant is 
not responsible for the choice the workman made. The evi- 
dence does not leave a foundation for this argument, even if 
it was Sound. The workman is the only witness, and he tes- 
tifies that the contraot for putting in the wells was in writing, 
which he could not read, but which the defendant read as a 
contraot for putting in driven wells. It is further argued 
that, as the evidence shows the contract was in writing, which 
is not produced, the paroi evidence is not admissible, and 
that there is no legal evidence as to what the contract was. 
This argument might be well founded if the suit were upon 
the contract, but it was not. The question is not what was 
the contract, but is, what did the defendant procure the work- 
man to do? What he told the workman to do, or pretended 
to read from the contract that the workman was to do, if 
acted upon, would be a sufi&amp;cient procurement, even if con- 
trary to the contract. The testimony of the workman might 
be contradicted by the defendant if not true, and, not being 
contradicted or explained away in any manner, it satis- 
faetorily proves the affirmative of the issue made by the 
pleadings. 
The defendant denies any profits, and insists that none are 
proved to lay the foundation of an accounting. None are 
proved beyond the presumption arising from the fact'of the 
putting the well down so that it could be used. This would 
raise a presumption that there were, or might have been, some 
profits, and the allegation that the transaction was not profit- 
able would not meet the presumption so as to defeat an 
accounting. The plaintiff would have the right to have the 
aocount taken, however it might resuit, left to him. Besides 
this, the act of 1870 (Eev. St. § 4921) provides for an account- 
ing for damages as well as profits, and there may b.e dam- 
ages to be accounted for in this case. 
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it iniisi be oonsidered with reference to tHe Ter; oase before 
the court. . Piersmv- Magie Screw Co. 3 Story, 402, 408, 
The right to tJSe the thing patented is secured against an 
exteitsion of the patent to assignees and grantees by section 
18;of the act of 1836, (5 St. at Large, 117.) This language 
is qnite as broad as that of the aot of 1839, and still, since 
the decision in McC^r&lt;if v. Kingsland, it bas been held to 
eover particulaj: constructions, and not the right to practioe 
the invention. The lango^ge of the aot of 1839 does not 
seem capable of being extended beyond the use of particular 
things bought or made in cases of patents for substantive 
things, and it is not probable that McClwrg v. Kingsland 
would be followed beyond cases of its class upon the same 
Btatute. Wilson v. Bosseau, A How. 646. But in the act of 
1870, section 37, (16 St. at Large, 203,— Eev. St. § 4899,) 
the right of a pereon consfcructing a patentable article, or pur- 
chasing it before the application for a patent, is limited to the 
right to use, or vend for use, the specifie thing. This may be 
considered as a legislative construction of the former acts; 
but, if notj.congress bas full power over the subject of pat- 
ents, unless it be as to the right to take away property se- 
cured by existing patents; and this act of 1870 may properly 
govem the right of reoovery in actions brought since its pas- 
sage. This -was expressly held, as to the act of 1836, in Me- 
Clurg V. Kingsland. So, in any view &quot;which can be taken of 
this case, it does not seem that the defendant bas any right 
to this invention any further than to the extent of machines 
constructed prior to the application for the patent. 
It is urged that an infringement by the fire department of 
the city is not an infringement by the defendant, beeause 
that defendant was, under the law, a corporation of itself, 
over whiob the officers of the city had no control. It is 
understood, however, as was said in Allen v. The Mayor, etc., 
that the fire department was a mere agency of the city, hav- 
ing no funds of its own, and malsing no profits for itself apart 
from those of the city., If there are any gains and profits in 
the hands of any party to be aecounted for, under these cir- 
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motion for running the machinery in harvesters, seed drills, 
hay tedders, etc. The power was applied in these machines 
by the same deviees employed by Shireman, but, to utilize it 
in the hay rake, Shireman had also to employ a lifting 
device adapted for a horse rake. He found this lifting device 
in prior inventions; but he certainly made a combination 
which was new. Not only had not the same parts been em- 
ployed to do the same work before, but the mode of operation 
was new. It cannot be doubted that the new combination 
produeed a more efficient machine. There are, undoubtedly, 
cases where a combination may be made of parts never com- 
bined before, where no invention is involved. Such is the 
case where a well-known contrivance is used to perform a 
function exactly analagous to that in which it was formerly 
used. This is not such a case, and I am unable to doubt 
that thought and intellect reside in the conception. 
My principal difficulty bas been to determine which of the 
several claims embody correctly the subject of the patent. 
The first omits the lifting device, without which the other 
parts of the combination are useless, The second does not 
claim a patentable combination in view of the prior state of 
the art. The third omits the ratchets and pawls, and is so 
broad as to cover any devices by which a constantly revolv- 
ing axle can be secured in a hay rake. It would cover an 
axle made fast at both wheels. The fourth covers a lifting 
wheel in a horse rake which rotates constantly by power 
applied from both wheels when the rake is advanoing, &quot;sub- 
stantially as described;&quot; which means, when arranged and 
constructed substantially as pointed out in the specification. 
The fifth I construe as the equivalent of the fourth. The 
sixth should be construed as though the words &quot;substantially 
as described&quot; were added. The seventh and eighth include 
the pressure contrivance, which must be limited to the par- 
ticular construction described, or else is too broad, and if thus 
limited is not used by the defendants. 
A decree for an injunction and accounting as to the fourth, 
fifth, and sixth claims of the patent is ordered, which will be 
settled upon the usual notice.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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fiimilar bills of lading, in Bets of four, were given and ac- 
cepted. The libellant's agent testified that of these four he 
had always sent ope to the libellant at Chicago, one to the 
agent of the underwriters of the cattle, one to the consignees 
at Liverpool, and had given the other to the foreman of the 
drovers on board. 
The case does not, as it seems to me, corne within the prin- 
ciple of any of the cases cited, in which it bas been held 
that, as between ship-owner and charterer, the charter-party 
should override the bill of lading in case of conflict between 
them. If, then, the bill of lading is to be treated as the evi- 
dence of th€! final contract between the parties in those par- 
ticulars in which it is not found to contradict the previous 
contract, we are to cousider ^vhether its effect is to release 
the ship-owner from contribution for the cattle if thrown 
overboard to save the ship ; and, if that is its meaning, is it 
8uch a limitation of the carrier's liability as the court should 
aphold ? It is true that the defence made by the answer rests 
mauily npon the allegations that the cattle were cast over- 
board, not because they endanger^d the ship, but because 
they were either already dead or so nearly so as to be beyond 
hope of recovery. But this issue presents a question of fact 
naturally diffi,cult to determine from the evidence. Unques- 
tionably numbers of the cattle are shown to have been dead, 
or dyingj when thrown over. Ail were greatly exhausted from 
want of food and drink, from the violence of the blows they 
received from the broken timberg of the pens and from each 
other, and from being thrown about by the pitching and roll- 
ing of the vessel, and from being drenched with sait water. 
Whether any, and if so, how many, it would have been pos- 
sible, when the storm abated, to have resuscitated and deliv- 
ered in Liverpool in merchantable condition, it would be 
diffioult to determine. The five drovers employed by libellant, 
who were. on board in charge of the cattle, contradict the 
officera of the steam-ship, and now undertake to say that a 
majority of the cattle, or; at all events the 20 or 30 which 
were near the forecastle hood, could have been saved, but it 
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only istauding tuast so that it went over the side, and eut two 
holes in her that she might fill with water. The fire con- 
Bumed everything above the water line, but about 600 baies 
of cotton were left in the lower hold. This the libellants 
commenced to save, but had taken out but about 70 baies 
■when a violent norther drove them from their work and they 
vrere' compelled to seek a harl)or. Upon their retum, two 
days after, they found that, although the anchors had held, 
the wreck had split in pieces and the cotton gone. One of 
the smacks, her master thinking it had gone adrift, followed 
the course of the gulf stream some 200 miles. The other 
vessels remained in the vicinity, and, as soon as the weather 
permitted, commenced searching the bottom by dragging and 
diving, and found that the cotton had been swept off but a 
short distance and sunk in water of from five to ten f athoms, 
where it lay scattered on the bottom. Two of the smacks 
then went to Key West, a distance of about 75 miles, to carry 
the cotton already saved, but in three or four days returned 
and again went to work. The other remained at work, and 
the one which had gone in search of floating cotton returned 
the fifth or sixth day, One remained, constantly engaged, 
and the others, after more or less delay, came back. None 
of them resumed their usual occupation of fishing. In the 
mean time some 12 other small vessels, whose owners and 
crews are respondents herein, arrived and went to work, with- 
out the original salvors making objection or having any 
understanding with them. They have saved, by naked diving 
and dragging the bottom, some 400 baies, which have been 
libelled and sold, and a «alvage of from 50 to 75 per cent, 
awarded, according to the depth of water and poQuliar eir- 
cumstanees attending the saving of eaeh lot. 
This libel prays a proportion of the salvage awarded all 
those not engaged in scuttling the vessel. The defeoce haa 
been that it bas not been shown that the scuttling was of 
any material benefit, as it may be presumed that the vessel 
had bilged, and was full of water bef ore that ; and, second, 
that the libellants' leaving the property was an abandopment 
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corporation, have presumably as complete a remedy against the 
owner to recover, in the home port, any deficiency that may arise 
after paying seamen's wages, if their alleged lien shall be flnally sug- 
tained, as the seamen have to recover their wages there. 
FiirtKer held, that even the master's claim to be paid ont of the vea- 
sel should, under the circumstauces of the case, be sustaiued as 
against the iutervenors. 
In Admiralty. 
Oeorge H. Forster, for libellant. 
W. Mynderse, for La Fonciere Ins. Co., intervenors. 
Choate, D. J. This is a libel by the master and seamen 
of the Swedish bark Adolph for wages. 
The vessel arrived in this port in August, 1880, in ballast, nnder char- 
ter to take on board a cargo of grain for an Eurcipean port. On her voy- 
age hither from France she had a collision, and soon after the arrivai of 
the vessel she was libelled in two suits — one by the maater of the vessel 
■with which she was in collision, on behalf of himself and the owners ; 
and the other by the insurer on her cargo, to recover damages caused by 
the collision. The libel of the master was withdrawn. The other Hbel- 
ant proceeded, and, the vessel being in custody, the case was brought to 
trial and a decision was rendered November 10, 1880, dismissing the libel 
on the ground that the Adolph was not proved to be in fault, 4 Fbd. 
Rbp. 730. The libellant appealed. Thereupon the claimant made appli- 
cation for the release of the vessel, or for security against her detention 
pending the appeal. This application was denied November 50, 1880. 
5 Fed. Rbp. 114. The master had communications with the owner, who 
resides at Stockholm, soon after his arrivai, and advised the owner of the 
seizure of the vessel, and thereafter of the siibsequent proceedingg. The 
vessel was appraised at $10,000, and partly because this was thought to be 
too high a valuation, but principally because, if she was bonded, she 
would still be liable to seizure in another port by the libellant, who had 
withdrawn his suit here, the owner determined not to give stipulation for 
value. It was not till about the 26th of December that the master was 
finally advised by the owner that he would furnish no money to pay oli 
the crew, and would not give bonds to release the vessel. Part of the 
crew were discharged by their own consent, and took service iii other 
vessels — one on the llth of Novenjber, and three on the lOth of Jatiuary. 
iliere was then due them for wages, to the time of their discharge, 
$613,85. The master and second mate and two seamen liavere^nained by 
the vessel to the present time. 
By the maritime code of Sweden the master has a lien on 
the vessel for his wages, and daims against vessel and freight 
rank as folio ws : (1) Wagea of master and erew ; (2) the aver-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/522</title>
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ond attaoliment. The case of Tayhr v. Carryl, 20 How. 583, 
is relied on as controlling this case. That case, of course, is 
conclusive that the actual possession of chattels by the exec- 
utive officerof one jurisdiction, under his process, is so abso- 
lute as to exclude any concurrent possession under process 
by the executive officer of a court of another jurisdiction ; but 
I think the cases are not analogous, and that the principle of 
that decision does not apply to successive garnishments. The 
officer does not take possession of the fund upon service of 
the process, such as was had in this case. The relation of 
debtor and creditor still continues between the garnishee and 
the principal defendant. That relation is liable to be dis- 
charged by the judgment of the court applying the fund or 
debt to the satisfaction of the plaintiflF's demand. For this 
purpose the fund or debt is wholly under the control of the 
court making the first attachaient, and no subsequent attach- 
ment can interfere with such application of the fund, if found to 
be needed for that purpose ; and, in this case, this court, by 
service of the process, acquired the undoubted right to direct 
the fund to be paid into court. Its jurisdiction in a suit for 
seamen's wages is not affected even by a prior garnishment, 
{The Sailor Prince, 1 Ben. 234;) and while the attachment 
under the process of this court was, in some respects, and 
especially in its effect, something more than a garnishment, 
yet it is like a gamisnment in this : that the fund is not, by 
the service of the process, actually taken into custody. But 
a debt garnished may never be called in. The proceeding 
may not resuit in a judgment against the principal defend- 
ant, or, if it does, the judgment may be otherwise satisued. 
It seems to me, therefore, that there is no difficulty in a sec- 
cond garnishment whereby the fund will be bound ; subject, 
of course, to be defeated, if the fund is called in under the 
first garnishment. There is not here any danger of a con- 
juict for possession between courts and officers of two juris- 
dictions, nor any interference by one officer with the possession 
acquired by the other under his process, which is the control- 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/528</title>
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point an agent ; and if he assumed to make such appointment 
without authority, he would be personallyresponsiblefor the 
conduct of his subordinate. If, however, the trust was one 
whioh could be delegated, he would be liable in his officiai 
capacity only, The substance of the law upon this subject 
is thus stated in Story on Agency, § 14 : 
&quot; The true doctrine wHch is to be deduced from the decisions is, and 
it is entirely co-incident with the dictates of natural justice, that the 
authority of an agent is exclusively personal, unless from the express lan- 
guage used, or from the fair presumptions growing out of the transaction, 
or of the usages of the trade, broader power was intended to be con- 
ferred on the agent.&quot; See, also, Gommer cM Bank v. Norton, 1 Hill, 505. 
That the reoeiver of a railroad must act very largely 
through servants and agents in the ordinary business of the 
road is evident. He is in fact the superintendent and man- 
ager of the road, and the head of an army of employes whose 
duties are distinctly defined by usage and the necessities of 
the case. There can be no doubt of the power of the re- 
ceiver to appoint these agents, and if his appointments are 
made in the exercise of a reasonable judgment and discre- 
tion, he would not be liable personally for their negligences 
or misfeasances. But his authority to raise money upon 
certificates stands upon a different footing. His general 
authority as receiver gave Mr. Bancroft no power to issue 
these certificates. It could only be done under the power con- 
ferred by a special order of the court. It was his duty to 
prepare a form of certificate in conformity with this order, 
and to sell the securities upon the most favorable terms he 
could obtain. The preparation of the certificates involved 
very little in the way of skill or judgment. Their negotia- 
tion and sale, and the receipt of the moneys, were the im- 
portant features of the transaction. It was a personal trust 
which he had no right to delegate to another. It involved, 
not merely the sale of the certificates upon the best possible 
terms, but the safe-keeping of the moneys realized by such 
sale. If he had the power to authorize an agent to sell and 
receive the money upon this certificate, the receipt of the 
money by the agent would be a receipt by the receiver ; and 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/564</title>
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was called a lease, but .which the co);rt decided \?iC,8 a sale, 
aii)i the lease was a device by w-ti/ch oiae party soyght t&lt;? give 
and the other to obtain.aBeer(E!t lien for tli^e unpaid purcibase 
money. The underlying principle of these cases is that sijch 
agreements, ■wiietheV&quot;&quot;cailed le^ses or conditional sales, are 
intended to retain a secret lien for the unpaid p.urchase 
njoney, and are an evasion of the statiite, The supreine 
court has not decided that. all conditional sales, eyeji - as 
against a bona fide purehaser or cr^ditors.; are invalid, but 
have decided that, on the question of whether or not thereg- 
istration act of a state includes a conditional sale, it will be 
ciSuii'dlledby the decisions ofthat siate. 
_ Ifjlie learn^d conwQl fiiiQFosdack y. Schall, 97 U. S. 235, as 
sustaining the defendant's contract, but I think that case in 
per^cct hfirpiony ,wit,h the' c^thers. . . Tl^ere* the- question ,-^as 
\yj[iat a mortgagee,*Ti^ould ;tafee. unfier the iprpvi&amp;ion of.fhis; 
mortgage for fu^ure-f|rcquiri^4 P^opei'ty* v. The court heldit^at 
thic œortgg-gee took lonly, t^e rights a,pdi interfist of the. mortf 
g^gor^ and subjeot to,&gt;i^y Jien that migi^t bp wpoa the pwi^eity 
wjien acquired; by theciortgagor. The carsin that case were 
l^ttered to show that they were fitill the propertyof the seller, 
but the decision was^not' pu| upon thip faot.. 
The lea^riied coun^el, however,r ingists that the agreement 
of, the defendant is not lia,ble to the objections which existftd 
iii the agreements whioh the court coasid^red in the cases 
which we have been eonsidering. He lays much 8tres8:.upon 
the language of the supreine opurt iia.Heryford t. Davis, in 
■which that court say, in discussing the contract in that case: 
&quot;If that contract was a mere lease of the cai's to the railroad company, 
orii it wa3 only a conditional sale which did Bot pass the ownership until 
the condition should be performed, the propertj was not subject to levy 
and sale under exemption at the suit of the defendant against the com- 
pany.&quot; 
This language, read by itself, would be misleading. It 
should be read in connection, with other parts of the opinion, 
and when that is done it will be seen that the court means 
hy &quot;only a conditional sale&quot; on s that is rcally a conditional 
sale both to the buyer and seller; that is, that the payment of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/580</title>
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twenty-ninth d'ay of April, I8I3. On the part of the defend- 
ants proof was' made of a bond for a deed, dated January 26, 
1867, from Fellows/by E.Worthington, his attorney, to Levi 
J. Merrick, by which Merriek ' agreed to payf 3,500 for the 
land, f 1,000 'dollars of which was to be represented by a 
note for that amouilt, payable September 1, 1857, -with 10 
;per cent, interest,' aind' the balance was to be secured by 
note: and mortga^e bearing T^per cent, interest.'and payable 
January 25,^.18e0,^ i&quot;, ',, . ' '„ '&quot;.' &quot; 
As a iurther basis of titleinth]© defend^rut pflt An evidence 
a w'arranty deed- bf the premises in question,» from Ellis 
Worthingtctn and ,wife to Levi J. 'Merrick, esecut'ed May 1, 
1857, but not;recorded, nniil^^y |I8, i86e- This was fol- 
lowed by proof of a deed from Levi J. Merrick to the 
defendant LeyiC. Merrick, executed May 8, 1878, and a lease 
from the defendaot Merrick tb the defendant ^cbriialtz, exe- 
cuted April 30, 1879. Proof was also made of the. execu- 
tion of a lease of a portion of the premises, dated November 
19, 1858, from Levi J. Merrick to one John Cappon, for the 
term offiye y^ars. Certain other documentary eyidence in 
support of the defendants' tilaim of title was introduced, con- 
sisting of a mortgage deed of'20 acres of said land, exeeuted by 
Isaac Cappon and wife to Levi J. Merrick, November 23, 1866 ; 
a contraet for a deedof the whole of the premises- in question, 
dated October 12, 1874, from Levi J. Merrick to CaSper Traxel 
and the defendant Schmaltz ; and a release of said premises 
by the Bank of Milwaukee, exeeuted August 11 , 1857, from the 
alleged lien of a judgment recovered July 1, 1857, by the 
bank, against Ellis Worthington. Proof was also made of 
possession of the premises by Levi J. Merrick, and those 
claiming undef 'him, as hereafter more fully stated. 
The first question which ' arises is, what interest or title, if 
any, Afras vested in the plaintiff by the iiistrument of convey- 
ance from Fellows to him, elecuted October 10, 1868, in con- 
nection With the suppleinentkry instrument of date October 
15, 1 86a ? It isieiiimed' by the plaintiff that this coriveyance 
is a valid deed, conveyirig the premises to the plaintiff as&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/584</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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payment of bis debta and the eipenses of the trust, to dis- 
tribute the residae as dii-eeted in a writing supplementary, to 
be thereafter exeoutod, br/'in case Such writing is not exe- 
cuted, to his hoirs* Thoti, bytheBupplementary instrument 
of Odtober IStfa/apecifie dietribufion of sueh residue af ter the 
death of the grantor, arutog viarious relatives, most of whom 
are named, was'direeted'. ' Of course the two instruments of 
Oetober lOth and 15tli'are'tb be considered toeether, and as 
one instrument ; and, notmthstanding 'the able ai'gument of 
the learned counsel for the defendants, I am olearly of the 
opinion tbat'a valid trust was detiiared in these instruments 
under the fifth subdivision of the statute of thig state. That 
subdivision,: it will be obsorved, authorizes the creation of an 
express trust'f or' the beneficiai interests of any persan or per- 
eons. Surely there was here expressly declared au active 
trust for the beneficiai interest of the grantor during his life, 
and of other persons after his death; Apt and proper terins 
are used in the conveyanoe to pass the title. Undoubtedly 
it was the intention of the grantor to convey the title, for he 
says that from the infirmities of advaneed age he deems it 
best to make the eonveyahce, and words ample to convey the 
f ee- and to dives't the grantor bf his title are used in the grant- 
ing cladse. ■ ■ j 
There was a trust td receive the rents and profits andapply 
them to theu'se of the -grantor, because from an authority to 
rent must be implied an authority to receivo the rents. 
There was a poiipei to seH and to aipply and distribute the 
estate. The trusts Wete active, and for the beneficiai inter- 
ests of designatod pefsona. For certain purposes they sur- 
vived th'e death «f the grantor, and were, I thihk, of a nature 
embraced within the Wisconsin statute, the language of which 
is so broad as to remove the difSculties arising_ under the 
New York statiite, and to make sueh discussion as was in- 
volved in the New York cases unnecessary. Biit it is con- 
tende^d that the trust attempted to be created by this convey- 
anoe is not fully expressed and clearly defined upon the face 
of the instrument. Undoubtedly the trusts are sufficiently&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/594</title>
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facts and arguments do not inform me ttiat there bas been 
a^y decision, or any practice, since that aot was passed, until 
tliis controversy arose, goveming the classification of web- 
biug which la composed partly of wool and partly of India 
rubber. 
Again, it may be said that all the articles mentioned in 
this clause are articles of dress, or of trimming and orna- 
ment ; and that, by the rule of noscitur a sociis, the webbings 
(it is webbing in the singular in the India-rubber clause) 
may be held to be certain particlar kinds of -vfebbing, used 
for similar purposes. 
A third argument is that elastic webbing bas been classi- 
fied with suspenders, etc., under the India rubber-clause, for 
nearly 40 years, and that it eannot be supposed that con- 
gress, in enacting the wool tariff of 1867, intended to change 
it. If, then, the clauses would, upon their face, appear re- 
pugnant, the wool clause should be construed to refer to web- 
bing which contains wool, and does not contain India rubber, 
especially as the latter is a very specifie and limited class, 
and as the goods in question derive their usefulness entirely 
from their elastio quality. The words in the elastic- webbing 
clause, &quot;not otherwise provided for,&quot; seem to refer to other 
fabrics of India rubber, such as shoes and boots, which are 
mentioned two lines lower down, and pay a smaller duty. 
I gave too much weight to that qualification in Faxon v. Rus- 
sell, and was corrected by the supreme court. Though the 
wool clause was historically later in its origin than the India- 
rubber clause, they stand together in the Revised Statutes, 
and form part of one contemporaneous enactment. 
Steadiness in the rules and methods of taxation is very 
important. On the part of the United States the argument 
is very strongly urged that the wool tariff was intended to 
provide for every article known to commerce which is made 
in whole or in part of that material, and to repeal all other 
laws which assessed a duty on anything of that sort. I find 
it very difficult to reconcile these provisions of law, or to say 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/604</title>
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English patent No. 10,774, to Thomas B. WllUams, dated July 21, 
1845, specification enrolled January 20, 1846 ; what he calls &quot; British Jet- 
tera patent No. 55, of 1862, to John Btenhouse,&quot; a copy of which is not 
furnished ; United States patent No. 97,893, granted December 14, 1869, 
(o Cheney and Milliken, assignees of John Stenhouae, and patented in 
England January 8, 1862; English patent No. 5,849, to Thomas Cobb, 
eated September 15, 1829, specification enrolled March 15, 1830; and 
^Jnited States patent No. 157,068, granted November 24, 1874, to Richard 
J. Edwards. 
But the only statement made in reference to those patents 
as affeoting claims 2, 3, and 5, of re-i6sue No. 8,460, is that 
the plaintiff's scraper, x, is old and is shown in those pat- 
ents. In regard to claim 1, the statement is that &quot;the de- 
vice&quot; is old and is shown in those patents. No reasons are 
given. What it is in those patents that is referred to is not 
pointed out. The scraper, s, is not claimed by the plaintiff 
by itself. It is not asserted that' either claim 2 or claim 3 
or claim 5 is shown or described in any of those patents. 
The burden is on the defendant to make out anticipation. 
The plaintiff's expert states that he does not find claim 1 
or 2 or 3 or 5 in the Williams' patent, No. 10,774, and he 
gives his reasons. He examines an English patent, No. 
1,379, granted to one Edwards in 1872, (which is understood 
to show what is shown in the United States Edwards' patent, 
No. 157,068,) and says that it does not anticipate claim 1 or 
2 or 3 or 5, and he gives his reasons. He also alludes to 
the Gobb patent, and says that it is for making roofing, and to 
the Stenhouae patent, No. 97,893, and says that it shows no 
machine at all. He also says that neither Stenhouse, nor 
Cobb, nor Edwards, shows a heated cylinder acting to beat 
wax and to apply the wax to paper prepara tory to the subse- 
quent drawing of the wax into the paper. Certain it is that 
no patent referred to by the defendant's expert affects claim» 
2, 3, or 5, and claim 1 must stand, so far as this motion is con- 
cerned. 
It is quite clear, from the history of the article made by 
the plaintiii's machine and process, that that article was not 
capable of beiag made by any machine or mechanical process 
before made known. The article existed before and was &amp; 
very desirable article, but it was made by hand and was too&lt;noinclude&gt;
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cured by claims 1 and 2 of No. 209,393, Claim 1 is to a 
method, and claim 2 is to a combination of machinery. The 
plaintiff's expert says that Dickinson does not, in his draw- 
ings, show any machinery for efFecting the differentiation of 
speed, but simply says that it might be done; yet that, if 
the machinery he does show was adapted to waxing paper 
by merely substituting wax for size, the description in Dick- 
inson would be sufficient without drawings. 
The specification of No. 193,867 is not furnished to me, 
but I assume that it states what is found in the specification 
of re-issue No. 8,460, which is that &quot;the scraper, x, is applied 
to the cylinder, a, between the wax trough and the place of 
contact with the paper to remove surplus wax and only allow 
a uniform layer of wax to adhere to the heated cylinder, a.&quot; 
Taking the description in No. 209,393 as if the description 
in No. 193,867 were incorporated in it, as it must be, and 
assuming that the latter describes the scraper, x, in the above 
terms, &quot;the cylinder coated with melted wax,&quot; in claim 1 of 
No. 209,393, must be understood as meaning a cylinder 
coated &quot;substantially as set forth;&quot; that is.with wax of the 
thickness and: uniformity left after applying the scraper, x. 
In the like view, the expressions in claim 2, &quot;a heated cylin- 
der for transferring the wax to the paper&quot; and &quot;the waxing 
cylinder,&quot; must be understood as meaning a cylinder &quot;sub- 
stantially as specified;&quot; that is, not only a cylinder coated 
with melted wax, but a cylinder coated with wax of the thick- 
ness and uniformity of the coat of wax with which the cylin- 
der in the description would be coated, namely, the coat left 
after using the described scraper, x. This is the proper con- 
struction of the two claims, and under it neither the Dickin- 
son patent nor any other patent, so far as it appears, antici- 
pates the claims; and, as the defendant used the scraper, x, 
in connection with the differentiation of speed, he must be 
held to have infringed the claims. 
An injunction is granted on claims 1, 2, 3, and 5 of 
re-issue No. 8,460, and on claims 1 and 2 of No. 209,393.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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covered. She was caulked and reloaded, and brought her cargo to Bos- 
ton, but it had already sufEered the damage which the district court bas 
found to be juatly chargeable to the vessel. 
The libellants ihtroduced evidence tending to show that 
the schooner was of a mode! and build unsuited to the 
heavy cargo of sugar which she undertook to carry, and 
that the caulking of her seams had been neglected. The 
claimants met these allegations; and, upon the whole evi- 
dence, the district judge was of opinion that the schooner 
waf, in these particulars, sufficient and suitable for the voy- 
age. I am of the same opinion. But behind this is the 
question, how so much water came into the vessel without 
being discovered? The condition of the vessel, when she 
was examined, would not account for seven feet of water 
being found in the hold four hours after it had been pumped 
dry, or found to be dry. The officiai surveyors of the district 
court at Philadelphia so reported, and every witness con- 
fiiTOB them. Two suggestions have been advanced in evi- 
dence and in argument to explain the fact : 
(1) That the seamen neglected to try the puraps ; (2) that the limbers 
were choked so that the water could not reach the pumps. 
Upon the evidence each theory is improbable ; but one or 
the other, it seems, must be true. If the limbers were 
stopped, the libellants maintain that it must have been by 
coal dust, which sifted into them upon the voyage from Scot- 
land; and the claimants insist that the hoavy molasses, or 
liquid sugar, which drains from a cargo of muscovado sugar, 
might harden, and effect this injurious resuit. 
The Bugar owned by the libellant company was insured by 
the Pacific Insurance Company of New York, and the Phœnix 
Company of Brooklyn, and after this libel had been filed those 
companies paid the loss to the libellant company, under an 
agreement which is made a part of the record, by which the 
libellant is bound to repay to the underwritors any sum or 
sums which may be recovered by decree, or settlement, in 
virtue of the unseaworthiness of the vessel, or the negligence 
of her officers or crew. 
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oome in coaflict li/ith the righta of creditors and subsequent 
purchasers. 
The continuance of the estate conveyed to the grantees, in 
the grant before us, was dependent upon the performance of 
the condition subsequent expressed in the grant. By the 
termsof the condition it was to be performed by the grantees 
&quot;at their own oonvenience and time.&quot; As the grantors de- 
rived no immediate benefit in consideration of the grant, and 
were to receive profits only upon the performance of the con- 
dition, it was the duty of the grantees to perform the condi- 
tion subsequent in a reasonable time. What a reason- 
able time is the law does not accurately define, but leaves 
that question to be decided by the judge according to the 
facts and circumstances of a case, as admitted by the 
pleadings or as ascertained by the finding of a jury. As the 
evident intention and motives of the grantors, in eiecuting 
the grant without any present consideration, were that they 
might receive continuons profits from the working of the min- 
erais and metals in the lands, the obligation of the grantees 
was continuons; and if they failed to open the mines, or dis- 
continued to work them when opened, and did not resume 
operations in a reasonable time, their estate, under the grant, 
would be forfeited by this breach or non-performance of the 
condition subsequent contained in the grant. 
The doctrines of estates upon condition seem to have been 
originally derived from the feudal law. A tenant was under 
obligation to render continuons service, and if he neglected 
to perform his service the lord could, by a wrii of cessaidt, 
obtain possession of the fief, as such continuons service was 
the consideration for the grant of the estate. 
. It was insisted, on the part of the plaintiffs,^ that at the 
common law the breach of a condition subsequent did not 
absolutely determine the estate ; that a freehold could only 
be defeated by an entry or claim made on the part of the 
grantor or his heirs, and until that was done the estate lost 
none of its original qualities and incidents, and that this 
right of entry or claim could not be assigned to a sti^anger to 
the conveyance. It was also insisted in the argument that,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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3. Same— Saxte— Same. 
' Buch discfaarge is also justUIable where the disposition and deport- 
ment of the servai^t is such as to SQriously injure the custom and busi- 
ness of the master. 
4. 'Bamk— Same— 8AME. 
' ' But sligbt discourtesies, hastj words, and occasional exhibitions of 
irritation, or even ill temper, are not aufflcient cause for a discharge 
■where there are many petty causes for annoyance and irritation in 
sucb business. 
5. Bajik — DiscHAKGS— Damages, ' 
If the master, without sufflcient cause, diseharges the servant be- 
fore the expiration of the tena, the prima fade measure of damages 
is the amount which she would have received had the contract of 
service been fulfilled. 
'6. Bame-^Same— Samb. ' . ' 
The master,- however, may shcfw in mitigation of damages that 
during the balance of the unexpired term she received other similar 
employment, or might have received such employment by proper 
efforts. 
7. Samb— Samb— Bame. 
8he isrequired in such case, however, bnly to have used reasonable 
diligence in obtaining employment in business of the same kind, or 
similar to that mentioned in the contract. 
8. Samb— Breach of Contbaot— Cobtdonation. 
If there bas been an actual t'orgiveness of a breach of contract on 
the part 6f a master to a defaulting servant, he callnot afterwards 
rely upon such breach in discharging the servant ; but such condoiia- 
tion can in no respect extend to subsequent ofiences, or to a continued 
deficiency. 
9. Same — Same — Samb. 
Such breach is prima fade condoned by the continued retention of 
the servant, but the question is one of fact, to be determined by a 
jury.— [Ed. 
Action to recover damages for the breach of a special con- 
tract. 
Ruffin, Pannill de King, for plaintiff. 
Montgomery e Staples, for defendants. 
DicK, D. J., (charging jury.) From the large number of 
ladies and gentlemen who have been in attendance on the 
court during the progress Of ttiis trial, it is evident that this 
case has excited considerable public interest. The trial bas 
consumed much time, but, net more than was necessary to 
develop the merits of the eas^. The testimony, in many 
partieulars, is varions and oontradictory, but the oounael in&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Mass. 50. The national bank acts were passed in 1863 and 
1864, and provision was made for the punishment of eoun- 
terfeiting their bills and passing the counterfeits, but there 
was no reservation to the state in making these provisions. 
Without such reservation, the states Kad no power left to them 
to supplement the acts of congress by legislation covering 
the same ground. Sturges v. Crowningshield, 4 Wheat, 122; 
Prigg v. Pennsylvania, 16 Pet., 539. 
The statute of Vermont, under which the relator was indicted 
and is imprisoned, was passed in 1869. At that time, and 
until th« adoption of the Revised Statutes of the United 
States, June 22, 1874, there was nothing giving up to the 
states the jurisdiction which congress h ad taken over this 
offence, or any part of it. The Revised Statutes contain a 
title of &quot;Crimes,&quot; in which the provisions for punishing coun- 
terfeited national bank bil}s are placed. It also has this 
general provision : 
&quot;Section 5328. Nothing in this title shall be held to tt^ke away or 
.impair the jurisdiction of the courts of the several states, under the laws 
thereof.&quot; 
The provisions of the judiciary act, relating to the crim- 
inal jurisdiction of the circuit court, are brought into section 
629, twentieth, with the qualification of exclusive cognizance 
changed to &quot;except where it is, or may be, otherwise provided 
by law.&quot; 
If these provisions were all, it might be said that congress 
had expressly withdrawn the jurisdiction before taken of 
offences mentioned in the title of &quot;Crimes, &quot; so far as the states 
might choose to exercise similar jurisdiction through their 
courts. But chapter 12 of the title on &quot;Judiciary,&quot; entitled 
&quot;Provisions common to more than one court or judge,&quot; was 
placed in the Eevision and enacted as a part of the Revised 
Statutes. It commences with section 711 : 
&quot;The jurisdiction vested in the courts of the United States, In the cases 
and proceedings hereinafter mentioned, shall be exclusive of the courts 
of the several states : First, of all crimes and offences cognizable under 
the authority of the United Btatea.&quot; 
This provision was not in the statutes of the United States 
anywhere before. It was framed ex industria, and placed&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/674</title>
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prevent the siates from taking' hold of any offences which 
'iaay be involved that are contrary to the state laws, and not 
oognizable under the United States laws, and punishing them. 
And, taken in connection with the section making the juris- 
diotion of the United States courts over offences cognizable 
under the authority of the United States wholly exclusive of 
the state courts, it must mean this. Such construction leaves 
all the sections standing operative, while the other would 
leave the one declaring the jurisdiction exclusive inoperative. 
The section on &quot;Crimes&quot; is later than the other in the order of 
the statutes, and might be said to be controlling for that rea- 
son ; but that ground of inference is expressly removed by 
the statutes themselves, which provide that no inference or 
presumption of a legislative construction is to be drawn by 
reason of the title under which any partieular section is 
placed. Section 5600. 
The act of passing these counterfeited bills, made punish- 
able under the statute of the state upon which the relator 
was indieted, might, and often would, concur with others to 
constitute a cheat which would be punishable bylaws of the 
state of long standing against obtaining money or goods by 
privy or false tokens. Gen. St. Vt. 67J, § 23. 
It was upon this ground, that the passing the counter- 
feited national bank bill was a mere private cheat under the 
laws of Virginia, that the conviction was uptield by the 
majority of the court in Jett v. Virginia, 18 Gratt. 933, (7 Am. 
Law Eeg. 260,) cited at this hearing. 
The indictment against the relator does charge him with 
passing a counterfeited national bank bill, knowing the same to 
be false, with intent to def raud one Margaret McDaniels, 
which is, in terms, a somewhat different offence from that 
made punishable by the laws of the United States, which 
consista merely in passing such counterfeited bill, knowing it 
to be counterfeited. Eev. St. § 5415. The indictment ap- 
pears to have been drawn according to the statute in force 
before the act of 1869, which made an intent to defraud 
an ingredient of the offence, but did not in exact language 
apply to national banks. Gen. St. Vt. 678, § 3. But this&lt;noinclude&gt;
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would have done, and in that view it is certainly equitable 
that he sbould credit on the debt the value of the property. 
It is not denied by the counsel for Lynch that this wbuld be 
so, but for an agreement betweeu the parties suggested by him 
that the proceeds only should be applied on the debt. Thi» 
is not proved by the testimony. I think the case should be 
referred back for further proof as to the value of the property at 
the time of the sale, or afterwards, -when used and disposed 
of by Lynch, and as to the existence of such an agreement, 
if the claimant desires to make such proof. 
The deposition of proof of debt is very defective in not set- 
ting forth how and when the property was sold. This should 
be amended. 
Order accordingly. 
BuEDicK, Assignee, v. Gill and Wife. 
[Oircuit Cov/rt, D. Iowa. Aprll 29, 1881.) 
1. Fbaudttlbnt Convbtaiice— Peesumption of Fbaud. 
Fraud will be presumed where a voluntary conveyance to a wife is 
followed within a short time by the fraudaient disposition of the 
remaining estate of the grantor. 
2. Samb — BcBSEQnEKT Ceeditoes. 
Such conveyance will be void as to all subsequent as well as all 
prior creditors of the grantor. 
3. Samb — Pkoof op Injctet. 
It does not seem to be necessary to show injury to the creditors, In 
addition to a fraudaient intent, in order to avoid a conveyance upon 
the ground of fraud. 
4. Samb — Same. 
If, however, a person, when about to contract debts, makes a vol- 
untary conveyance, with the actual intent to deprive his future 
creditors of the means of enforcing collections of their debts, and 
this purpose is accomplished, such subsequent creditors are unques- 
tionably thereby injured. — [Ed. 
In Bankruptcy. Appeal from district court. 
Clark e Heywood and Gillmore e Andenon, for assignee. 
Herschl d Preston, for Sarah Gill.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/682</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700081</id>
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was honest and hona fide, when we find that it was followed 
within a moath by the inauguration of a scheme to dispose 
of what remained for the purpose of defrauding creditors^ 
The intent may be collected from the circumstances, and need 
not be shown by direct and positive proof . Bump on Fraud- 
aient Conveyanoes, 309. And among the prominent badges 
of fraud are the &quot;immediate engagement in hazardous bus- 
iness, and the contracting of debts immediately after the 
transfer,&quot; To which we may add, in this case, the frauda- 
ient disposition of the remaining estate of the grantor very 
soon after the conveyance. 
2. The well-settled rule is that where a conveyance ia 
intentionally made to defraud ereditors, it is void as to all sub- 
sequent as well as prior ereditors; and it is certainly within 
the rule to say that if the conveyance is made with a vicw 
to defrauding subsequent ereditors, it is as to them void, 
although all prior ereditors are paid in full. Story's Eq. 
Jur. 362 et seq.; Bump on Fraudulent Conveyances, 311; 
Sexton V. Wheaton, 8 Wheat. 229; Kerr on Fraud and Mis- 
take, 206, 207; 1 Am. Lead. Cases, Hare &amp; Wallace's notes, 
(5th Ed.) 42, and cases cited in note 2. The general doc- 
trine asserted by these authorities is not questioned, but it is 
insisted that the complainant must show not only the intent 
to defraud subsequent creditera, but that such ereditors have 
actually been injured thereby. It is insisted that the intent 
to defraud is not enough, if no one is, in fact, injured. I do 
not find that this distinction ia noticed in the books ; but, even 
if Sound, I do not think it can avail respondents in thia case. 
If a person, when about to contraot debts, makes a volun- 
tary conveyance, with the actual intent to deprive bis future 
ereditors of the means of enforoing collections of their debts, 
and this purpose is aocomplished, I am very clearly of the 
opinion that such subsequent ereditors are injured and 
defrauded. A creditor has a right, when. extending credit, to 
rely upon the honesty and good faith of the debtor. He 
may assume, without inquiry, that the debtor has made no 
fraudulent conveyances of property, The debtor cannot be&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Shipman, D. J. This is a bill in equity founded upon let- 
ters patent, of the United States, dated November 5, 1878, 
and issued to George W. McGill, the assignor of the plain- 
tiffsi for an &quot;impiovement in buckles.&quot; The invention is au 
improved shoe buckle, and is described by the patentee in his 
specification and claim as follows: &quot;My invention bas for 
its object an improved and simplified mode of fastening a 
buckle to a strap, or to such other article as it may be de- 
sired to attach it, and consists in hinging to the cross-bar of 
an ordinarily-constructed buckle, a metalUc fastening consist- 
ing of a plate, having its base terminating in a central single 
prong, and having another prong, pierced and extending from 
its body portion, both the base prong and body prong being 
pointed and bentdown at right angles from the body of the 
plate in such manner that they -will enter the article to which 
the buckle is to be attached throngh slits eut therein on Unes 
parallel with each other, and clamp such articles by being 
bent down on its other side, either toward or from each other, 
as will hereinafter fully appear. What I do claim and de- 
sire to secure by letters patent is the herein-described 
buckle, having the fastening plate, B, constructed with the 
prong D from the internai position of the plate, and the prong 
C from the free end thereof, both being in the same longitud- 
inal Une, and substantially as specified.&quot; 
The defendants made and sold, before the fillng of the bill, 
and after the assignment of the patent to the plaintiffs, two 
kinds of buckles — one, Exhibit A, identically like the McGill 
buckle, exdept that the fastening plate -was not hinged to a 
cross-bar extending across the buckle, but was hinged to two- 
housed journals. This is an immaterial difference, and is not 
claimed to be otherwise. The base of the fastening plate of 
the other kind of buckle (Exhibit B) terminates in a central 
single prong, but the plate has two prongs pierced and ex- 
tending from its internai position or body. When these 
three prongs are bent forward, the end prong will lie upon 
the plate between the two internai prongs. They are not in 
the same longitudinal Une with a reference to the sides of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/698</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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^•IthQugh the amount involved is not large, the principle 
in question is important, especially upon our northern lakes 
and riyers, where many voyages undertaken in the fall are 
liable to be delayed, by the close of navigation, until the 
ensuing spring. 
This case does not come within the rule applicable to voy- 
ages which are abandoned and broken up by reason of ship- 
wreok, or such marine disaster as makes the completion of 
the voyage impossible, because the intervention of winter 
weather, which pompels the master to lay up his vessel at an 
intermediate port, only delays the voyage until the opening 
of navigation in the ensuing season, when it may be resumed 
and completed. It is also admitted that the rate of sea- 
men's wages, for voyages undertaken late in the fall on our 
lakes, is much higher than for similar services in the spring. 
Under these circumstances it seems to me that the court 
should hold a contract like the one now before us to be made 
by both parties in view of the contingency that it is liable to 
terminate, by the closing of navigation from the inclemency 
of the weather, before the completion of the voyage. It is a 
contract for the voyage from the port of departure to the 
port of destination, if it can be completed that season. If 
the season closes by the setting in of winter weather, so as to 
make the further prosecution of the voyage unsafe for life or 
property, then the master must have the right to lay up his 
vessel at any intermediate port of safety, and to discharge 
his crew, because to be compelled to pay full wages during 
the entire winter, and until the completion of the voyage in 
the spring, might not only consume the entire earnings of 
the voyage, but even leave the vessel burdened with debt. If 
the master cannot terminate the contract with his men on 
some equitable terms when he is compelled to lay up his 
vessel, he would be tempted to take too great risks in pursu- 
ing and attempting to complete the voyage, and thereby 
endanger not only the lives of his men, but the property in 
his charge, merely because he was under so heavy an obliga- 
tion to his men if he must either get them to their place of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/702</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700131</id>
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6,500 acres from David Preston. These lands were situated 
in the counties of Alpena, Alcona, and adjoining counties. 
Garrett B. Hunt, Jacob Eschelman, and Henry S. Cunning- 
ham held a purcbase-money mortgage upon all the lands in 
tow.nships 28 and 29 north of range 8 east, amounting to 
aboui 6,500 acres, to secure the payment of $35,000 and 
interest, given to them by Oliver, who was then carrying on 
business at a place called Ossineke, in the vicinity of the 
property, in the manufacture and sale of lumber from the 
lands above mentioned, in copartnership with the defendant 
George J. Eobinson. The lands covered by the Cunningham, 
Hunt, and Eschehnan mortgage were also encumbered by 
other mortgages and claims, amounting with said $36,000 to 
about $100,000. Oliver &amp; Eobinson owed about $36,000. 
The value of the real estate at this time was, as estimated by 
Oliver, $226,000, including mills and dock; and the personal 
property about $70,000. Making a liberal allowance for over- 
estimate, Oliver's assets must at this time have exceeded his 
iiabilities by about $150,000; but he was manifestly embar- 
rassed financially. As early as June, 1868, some dif&amp;culty 
had grown up between Oliver and his partner ; and, reallzing 
his financial embarrassment, he appealed by letter to defend- 
ants Hunt and Cunningham, two of the mortgagees, to obtain 
assistance, stating fully to them his assets and Iiabilities, and 
the obstacles to a successfui prosecution of the business, 
interposed by his partner Eobinson, and proposing to deed 
his property to them in trust for the payment of his indebt- 
edness, and in July folio wing visited Buffalo and had a per- 
sonal conference&quot; touching the same matter. On the third of 
September we find Cunningham, who Was doing business in 
Buffalo, N. Y., at Oliver's place of business in Michigan, 
when Oliver executed deeds of conveyance to him of all his 
interest in all his lands, and a bill of sale of the Personal 
property. Before' kaving Buffalo, and before recei^ng the 
conveyance from Oliver, Cunningham, by advice of cbunsel, 
executed an assignment of his interest in the mortgage to his 
&lt;50-mdrtgagees, Hunt and Eschelman, without, howeverj re- 
•ceiving any consideration thorefor. Cunningham paid no&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/708</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700145</id>
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Mich. 90, says, as to the doctrine of adjudication in a former 
suit, that it is conclusive in respect (1) to the subject-matter 
of the litigation. The subject-matter of the litigation in the 
foreclosure case was the establishment of a lien upon a por- 
tion of the property involved in the present controversy, and 
to have a decree of foreclosure for the mortgage debt. (2) 
Conclusive as to all points of fact or law, or both, necessarily 
settled in determining the issue on the subject-matter, Let it 
be assumed that the court did not determine in the foreclosure 
case as to the facts setup bythe answer and cross-bill, — though 
it would make no difference whether it did or not, — but did 
determine, as a matter of law, that Oliver could not avail 
himself of the transactions, no matter for what reason, when, 
as a matter of law, he was entitled to have his defence con- 
sidered, then such judgment is res aajudicata and a bar to 
this suit, because it was necessarily settled in that case that 
the transactions here pleaded constituted no defence to the 
the foreclosure. 
We have stated what was the subject-matter of the litiga- 
tion in the foreclosure on the part of the complainant. Now, 
the subject-matter of the litigation as respects Oliver, in that 
foreclosure, was the right to have whatever defence he was 
entitled to make determined in that suit, and the judgment 
of the court would not be rea adjudicata as to any matter 
which he was not so entitled, as a matter of right, to have 
litigated there. It only becomes necessary, as it seems to 
me, then, to determine whether, as a matter of law, Oliver 
was entitled to interpose the transactions brought forward in 
the present suit as a defendant to a decree of foreclosure. 
As already intimated, if H. M. Eobinson, not a party to the 
foreclosure, but a defendant here, was a necessary party to 
any suit in which the transactions in controversy were to be 
deoided, then, as he could not be made a party to that fore- 
closure, it was not Oliver's right to interpose the subject- 
matter of this suit as a defence to that. It has already been 
stated that H. M. Eobinson was interested with his co-defend- 
ants in the business and profits of the firm of Guuningham,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/714</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700160</id>
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and does not continue any old right whioh the injured person 
had. 
The argument in support of the demurrer assumes that the 
action which the personal representative brings is the same 
— to be measured by the same rule of damages — as if the 
deceased had commenced an action and had died during its 
continuance. It also assumes that there is such a thing as 
instantaneous death resulting from an injury to the person. 
The only case cited to sustain the point is Kearney v. Rail- 
road Co. 9 Cush. 108. That case was decided upon a statute 
of Massachusetts passed in 1842, as folio ws: 
&quot;The action of trespasa on the case for damage to the person shall 
hereafter survive, so that, in the event of the ueath of any person enti- 
t!ed to bring such action, or liable thereto, the same may be prosecuted 
or defended by or against his executor or administrator, in the sam* man- 
ner as if he were living.&quot; 
And the construction placed upon this act was that &quot;the 
case contemplated by the statute must be of such a nature 
that the party injured must himself have, at some time, had 
a cause of action;&quot; and because the injuved person was said 
to be instantly kUled, the court said he never had a cause of 
action to survive. But under the Nevada statute it is not 
indispensable to show that the person killed lived long enough 
to have a right of action accrue, admitting the Massachu- 
setts case to be sound. AU that is necessary is that the 
wrongful act shall be such as would, if death had not ensued, 
have entitled the party injured to sue. 
The statute acts on the wrong-doer, making him liable for 
damages, &quot;notwithstanding the death of the person injured.&quot; 
The action is given to the personal representative for the pur- 
pose, in part, of compensating the kindred named in the act, 
which is a wholly new and distinct ground from that which 
the injured party would have had, and cannot be said in any 
sense to survive. Th© English statute, upon which the stat- 
ute now being construed is drawn, is 9 &amp; 10 Vict. c. 93, p. 
693, passed in 1846. four years after the Massachusetts stat- 
ute. 
In Blaice v. Railway Co, supra, the court of queen's bench.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/730</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700178</id>
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to make it a orime tu conspira to commit a crime, although 
tbq.conspiraey be not fully consummated. In regard to the 
change of phraseology, it seems to me mnimportant, and that 
the two phrases are synonymous. The revisers had no 
power to alter the law, while theymight change the mere 
forms of expression ; and unless something were shown that 
would demonstrate that congress, in enaeting the Eevision, 
intended to alter the law by amending the phraseology, the 
proper rule of construction is to treat the language of the 
Eevision as synonymous to that of the original act, where the 
words are so much alike as they are here. 
The case oi U. S. v. Fehrenbach, 2 Woods, 175, ia not 
opposed to this construction. , Under the rule prescribed in 
section 5600 of the Revised Satutes.it relegates section 5440 
to its original place in the revenue act of 1867, and applies 
to a conspiracy to commit an offence against the revenue laws 
the same term of limitations that section 1046 of the Revised 
8ta tutes provides for all &quot;crimes arising under the revenue 
laws.&quot; In other words, the case decides that a conspiracy 
to defraud the revenue is a crime arising under the revenue 
laws, in the purview of section 1046. But this does not 
involve a limitation of the scope of section 5440, either to 
conspiracies to commit f rauds on the revenue, or to conspir- 
aoies injuring the United States as a govemment. A con- 
spiracy to defraud the revenue would probably be held to 
be &quot;a crime arising under the revenue laws,&quot; within the 
meaning of section 1046, whether found denounced in a 
revenue law, or elsewhere in the criminal code, moreespe- 
cially if the conspira&amp;y charged were one to commit an act 
itself made a erime^ It is not the place whore found in the 
statutes that impresses the crim© with the characteristic of 
&quot;arising under the revenue laws,, &quot; but the fact that it is an 
oiience against the revenue, andis so deelared to be either 
expressly, or by necessary implicatipn. \ I am of opinion, 
therefore, thai we cannot, on the principi^ of that case, be 
required to restrict section 5440 to such &quot;oiiences&quot; as oper- 
ate to injure the government itself, but that it coyers every&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/754</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700202</id>
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ity, be Sound law, it is decisive of the present case ; for it ia 
evident that neither Mrs. Davison nor the plaintifif had any 
knowledge whatever of the retention by Burnham, Ormsby 
&amp; Co. of the respective bonuses of $2,000 and $500. They 
did not authorize the usury. They received no benefit from 
it. They paid the, full sums for which they respectively 
received the defendant's notes. If, therefore, it be granted 
as a fact that A. C. Burnham was Mrs, Davison's agent in 
makingthe original loan, and that Burnham, Ormsby &amp; Co. 
were the plaintiflf's agents in negotiating the second loan, it 
would make no difference in the decision of the question in 
this case. The plea of usury must still be overruled. I 
cannot assent to the proposition of defendant's counsel that 
in the original transaction A. C. Burnham was the lender of 
the money, because he failed to disclose his principal, and 
took the notes in his own name. The money belonged to 
Mrs. Davison. A. C. Burnham was her agent in making 
the loan of it. They both treated the notes as the property 
of Mrs. Davison, and she received the interest upon them. 
A. C. Burnham had in fact no real interest in the loan, 
exeept as trustee for Mrs. Davison. He vould have lost 
nothing if a plea of usury had been sustained. The penal- 
ties would have fallen upon Mrs. Davison; anditis, therefore, 
her intentions and her acts, not the acts and intentions of 
A. C. Burnham, that are to be considered in determining 
whether or not the penalties of usury shall be inflicted. The 
act of an agent in taking notes upon a loan of his prinoipal's 
money in his own name does not make the agent the lender. 
But even if we grant the proposition that A. C. Burnham 
was in fact the lender, it will not avail the defendant in this 
case; for it is a legal proposition well settled in oar juris- 
prudence by the most respectable authorities, that where an 
usurious obligation passed for value to an innocent purchaser 
without notice of the usury, and where the innocent assignee 
takes a new and substitute security for the debt, there being 
no taint of usury in the second transaction, the plea of usury 
to the substituted obligation cannot be sustained. So long 
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/758</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700206</id>
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Love, T&gt;. J. This case is before the court on demurrei 
to the petition. The petition alleges that the plaintiff, who 
is a citizen of Canada, had on January 1, 1879, certain oribs 
of com which had been purchased in Crawford county, Iowa, 
for the purpose of shipment to Canada ; that said corn had 
been moved by the plaintiff from its place of production 
towards its destination beyond the state and temporarily 
placed in oribs; that it was in cribs, awaiting shipment by the 
Chicago &amp; North-western Eailway, on the first day of January, 
1879; that the plaintifs intention was at all times to move 
said com in bulk beyond the state, and not to use, sell, or 
manufacture the same within the state of Iowa ; and that the 
ootn bas sinoe been removed in bulk out of the state, no part 
df the same having been sold, used, or manufactured therein. 
It is alleged further that while the com was so tempo- 
rarily in cribs it was assessed as property of a non-resident, 
a tax levied upon the same, and a warrant issued to the sher- 
iff, whereby the plaintiff was compelled, in order to save his 
property, to pay the taxes levied aforesaid. 
There is a second count stating different circumstances, 
but presenting the same question. The petition prays judg- 
ment for the amount of taxes paid, amounting to $502.22, 
with interest. 
The question thus presented is whether or not the prop- 
erty taxed was, on the first day of, January; 1879, when it 
was assessed for taxation, in the course of transportation from 
the state of Iowa to any other state or country as an article 
of commerce. In a word, was it in commercial -transit ? That 
a state cannot levy a tax upon property in transit to other 
states and countries is clear, because the property then bas 
no situs in the state, in the proper legal sense of that word. 
It would be a most serions evil, and a direct obstruction to 
interstate commerce, for any state to exercise the power of 
taxing property while in commercial transit to other states or 
countries. 
The question then is, was the property in commercial tran- 
sit? The petition is not as clear and explicit asit might be, 
but the fair construction of it is that the plaintiff, haying pur-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/772</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700220</id>
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deoree subrogating the Plant mortgage to the residue of th© 
fund after payment of the judgment in favor of Gunn, But 
as this ruling gives the judgment a lien for principal and 
interest from the date of the original verdict and judgment, 
(the judgment bearing interest as a secured debt,) and as 
this will absorb the whole fund, this decree is refused; espe- 
cially as it does not appear that the mortgage would have 
any priority of lien except on the proceeds of the sale of the 
mortgaged property. 
4. The doctrine of election of two funds does not apply 
except where both are equally accessible to the crediter. 
The oreditor having the senior lien cannot be forced by one 
having a junior lien to resort to a fund which is only par- 
tially collected, and the balance of which is merely in the 
form of promissory notes of purchasers of land, the note» 
being due on long time. 
Upon these grounds the decree of the court is that the 
complainants' bill be dismissed at their cost. 
Ebseixe, J., concurred. 
NisBET, Assignee, etc., v. Qunw. 
The Same v. Dub. 
The Same v. Kahn. 
(Oireuit Court, 8. D. Oeorgia, W. D. May 12, 1881.) 
1. J&lt;&quot;BAtrDUUiNT Sales— Rev. St. §} 5129, 5130. 
Sales amounting to $1,100, $1,900, and $2,200, made in one week to 
three persons by a retail dealer who owed $11,000, and whose stock 
consisted of merchandise worth $8,000, and whose sales, in the usual 
course of his business, amounted to $1,100 per month, are prima facii 
fraudulent, under sections 5129, 5130, of the Revised Statutes. 
2. Bame— Vendbbs. 
Where the vendees were familiar with the nature of the bankrupt's 
business, and where such purchases were not in the ordinary course 
of the business of the vendees, as well as in that of the vendor, the 
assignee in bankruptcy of the latter may recover from them the value&lt;noinclude&gt;
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In the case against Dub there is no doubt that he knevr 
the nature of Dans' businessi He was an old friend and an 
intimate acquaintance of the bankrupt. - He bought goods of 
the value of $2,200, when by his own testimony $600 to $700 
would fully stock the small establishment connected with his 
hotel where he was selling these goods. 
In the case againBt Kahn the evidence also is that he was 
an old friend and knew the nature of Dans' business. In 
1867 he gave in his entire stock for taxes at $1,000, yet hia 
purchase from Dub at one transaction amounted to $1,926. 
His deniai that he knew that Dans was acting with intent to 
work a fraud on the bankrupt law amounts to nothing. He 
should have shown that he riiade inquiry, and that he became 
satisfied that Dans' purpose was not the purpose which the 
law deolared it, prima facie, to be. 
The decree must, therefore, be against the defendants for 
the full amount of the value of the goods bought by them. 
Eebki:ie, D. J., concurring. 
Hanovee Pire Ins. Co. v. Keogh and others. 
{Circuit Court, S. D. New York. Iilay 28, 1881.) 
I. RBirovAL. 
Where A., B. and C. on the one side, and D. on the other, are 
neccssary parties to the claim of D. on the fund in controverse, the 
case is not removable if A. and D. are citizens of the same atate, 
although the other two parties are citizens of another state. 
Blatchfoed, C. J. The petition for removal alleges that 
there is no controversy between Estes and Keogh, and that 
the eontroversies to which Keogh is a party in the suit, or 
in which he is interested, are all between Keogh and citizens 
of New York, namely, Williams, Black &amp; Co., and the Blos- 
soms. But, the pleadings having all been put in before the 
petition for removal was filed, the eontroversies, and the 
questions as to who are the real parties to them, must be 
judged of by those pleadings. They show that Williams,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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edges of the valve were made to curve sliglitly downward, so 
that. the steam, ou issaing betwecn the valve and its seat, 
would impinge against the curved projeoting portion of the 
valve, and would be deflected into an annular chamber which 
Buriounded the pjcntral passage for the steam. He said 
that he thus made use of the recoil action of the steam 
against the valve, but he gave notice that he did not claim 
broadly this use of the recoil action, and of the extension of 
the valve laterally bexp»,d its ^^eat. In fact, these two fea- 
tures were found in Beyer'a patent, which was issued a few 
months earlier ithan Naylor's. Ashcroft, the assignee of 
Naylor, was less modest. When he re-issued the patent he 
olaimed the valve with its downward curved lip, and the 
annular recess, adding, by way of caution, &quot;substantially as 
described.&quot; The courts held that, in view of what Beyer 
had described and patented, Naylor could not sustain abroad 
claim to a curved lip or an annular recess, generally, but 
must be limited to his own peculiar form of construction. 
Eichardson's patent of 1866 embodied the same general 
mode of construction and operation as was shown in Beyer 
and Naylor, and in other patents now produced in evidence. 
Judge Shepley thus describea it : 
&quot;In the Richardson valve, wh^n the valve opens, the steam expands 
and flows into the annular space around the ground joint. Its free escape 
is prevented by a stricture, or narrow space formed by the edge of the lip 
and the valve seat. Thus, the steam esoaping from the valve is made to 
act by its expansive force upon an additional area outside the valve 
proper, to assist in raising the valve ; this stricture being enlarged as the 
valve is considerably lifled from its seat, and varying in size as the quaa-' 
tity varies of the issuing steam.&quot; 1 Holmes, 369. 
The difficulty to be overcome in all these valves which use 
an additionallifting area after the valve is open, is to Umit 
the lift so that too muoh steam shall not escape. It seems 
that Eichardson's valve accomplished this by a careful adap- 
tation of the width of his opening, or stricture, to the size of 
his chamber and the strength of his spring. ' In the reported 
case Judge Shepley said, and Mr. Justice Clififord, in the 
supreme court, agreed with him, that Eichardson had suc- 
ceeded in making a working valve of this kind which would 
lose but two and a half pounds when blowing off at a pressure&lt;noinclude&gt;
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pressure which will be exerted on the valve is adjusted, in 
part, by the size of the openings below. 
Now, it is plain that this contrivance does not corne strictly 
within the language of the plaintiff's elaim of a safety valve, 
with the circular or annular lip, etc. , The curved lip or 
flange in the defendant's valve, when he uses it, bas noth- 
ing to do with the pressure of the steam ; it merely prevents 
it from scaldingthe engineeri There is a lip or flange in 
the plaintiff's valve, as actually constructed, which serves 
this purpose, but which is not the flange mentioned in the 
claim. The plaintiff's claimed flange co-operates in the mak- 
ing of his stricture. The defendant's flange is merely at- 
tached to the sleeve which aids in making his stricture. 
But the important comparison is between the two things. If 
the defendant bas taken the plaintiff's invention, I should 
try to construe the claim to conform to the fact, rather than 
to leave the parties to the dubious expedient of a re-issue. 
I understand the resemblances and differences to be these : 
The defendant, like the plaintiff, employa an additional sur- 
face to lift the valve as soon as it begins to blow ; and the 
pressure is regulated, in part, by a stricture. The defend- 
ant's valve is unlike the plaintiff's in the following partic- 
ulars : The additional area is not outside the ground joint, 
but inside; it is not acted on independently of the valve 
itself, but is a part of it. The escaping steam does not act at 
all by impact, but wholly by expansion. The stricture is not 
variable, opening wider as the power increases, but is ad- 
justed once for all by the operator. 
Considering the state of the art, as I have found it to be, 
that Eichardson was not the firat to invent and apply, more 
or less well, the principle of the additional area, nor that of 
the stricture, he could not, whatever the words of his claim, 
successfully enjoin the use of a valve resembling his own 
only in its adoption of these general ideas. I am of opinion, 
then, that Eichardson neither claims, nor could properly 
claim, a valve having such a mode of operation as I find in 
this valve of the defendant. 
Case No. 1,199 depends upon the decision of No. 1,184, 
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the weight of the testimony sustains the eomplainants' con- 
tention. It will be observed that this is not a contest between 
Tyler &amp; Eussell as to which firat made the invention, although 
it would seem from the drift of the defendant's evidence that 
Buch was hia impression. 
In a suit for infringement the paterit aot allows, as a 
defence, anticipation by other letters patent, or by a printed 
publication ; and when the former is set up the complainant 
is permitted to show, if he can, that the date of the actual 
invention was older than the date of the contesting patent; 
but no emphasis is laid upon the inquiry into the time when 
the inventor of the alleged prior patent first made bis inven- 
tion. The date of the Bussell patent is October 12, 1858, 
What evidence bas been adduced to show that Tyler's inven- 
tion was prior ? 
William H. Tolhurst, an experimental machinist, model 
and pattern maker, says that in the first part of the year 
1858 he bullt patterns for a full-sized harvesting machine 
for Mr. Tyler from drawings that had been made in 1857; that 
early in 1859 he constructed a model from these patterns — 
the model patterns and drawings all containing the solid 
frame on which the intermediate gearing between the driving- 
wheels and cutting apparatus is mounted — and which is the 
device that the defendant charges Tyler with incorporating 
into his, machine from Eussell'B patent. The witness testifies 
that he bas no interest in the pending controversy, and his 
testimony is as olear and reasonably definite as could be 
expected from one who is speaking of transactions which took 
place 20 years before. He is substantially confirmed in these 
dates by other witnesses for the complainaiits, to-wit : Moorse, 
Marsh, McFarland, and Eoss. 
But, in addition to this defence of a prior patent, the de- 
fendant also sets up the patentee Eussell as. a person who 
had prior knowledge of the invention covered by the Tyler 
patent. What was the character and extent of his knowl- 
edge as &quot;shown by the eyidence ? Eussell was called as a wit- 
ness by the defendant. Having his attention called to his 
letters patent No, 21,777, granted October 12, 1858, and to 
the specifications, wherein they state : &quot;A representa the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/794</title>
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by the agrecmejit between the sbip aud the stevedore th© 
Btevedore was to have the use of the derrick and the cbain 
in discharging the sbip. After one of the loaded tubs had 
been hauled upabove the deck, and before it was swung 
clear of the hatch, the chain parted and the loaded tub and 
part of the chain fell back into the hold, injuring the libel- 
lant very severely. The question is whether the ship is lia- 
ble for the damages. The test is whether the owner would 
be liable under the same circumstances at common law. 
The Germania, 9 Ben. 358. The libel alleges that the part- 
ingof the chain was caused by defects in it, and to its being 
unsuitable for the purpose to which it was devoted by the 
ship ; that the accident was caused solely by the neglect of 
those controlling said ship in using, and permitting to be 
used such defective chain, and not properly guarding and 
proteoting the said chain and appurtenances. The answer 
denies the negligence alleged in the libel; avers that the 
defect in the chain was a latent defect, one which could not 
be known to the respondent on a oareful examidation. It 
also avers contributory negligence on the part of the libel- 
lant, and alleges that the accident was caused by the negli- 
gence of bis co-servants, who were also, with bim, servants 
of the owner of the sbip. 
It was proved that the ship was about two years old; that 
she had, during that time, been engaged in bringing tin and 
iron from Great Britain to New York; that she was furnished 
with three hoisting ehains of similar character at three of 
her hatches. These ehains had becn in use since the vessel 
was built in. discharging bercargoes. They were such ehains 
as were commonly used on ships for that purpose. On the 
day before the accident the chain at the hatch where this 
accident happened parted while they were hoisting tin on a 
platform. It was lifting at the time about 1,700 to 1,800 
pounds. The stevedore, with the help of the mate, then 
unrove the chain from another hatch, and replaced it upon the 
hatch where the accident happened, and with this chain they 
commenced discharging Spiegel iron. After several tubs had 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/802</title>
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case cannot be considered as a direct authority here, as the 
action was brought against au, innocent purehaser of such 
shares. 
These cases appear to be decisive in favor of the position 
assumed by the defendants here. There is, however, a serie» 
of opinions of the supreme court of the United States, begin- 
ning with the cases of Upton v. Tribilcock, 91 U. S. 45, and cul- 
minating in Hawley v, Upton, 102 U. S. 314, which put the 
obligation of a subscriber to stock in an entirely different 
light. While none of these cases except the last are neces- 
sarily inconsistent with the views expressed by the English 
courts, or with the position assumed by the defendants here, 
the general drift of the opinions is to the effect that the 
acceptance of a certificate of stock, not fully and actually 
paid xnp, ipso facto, obligates the holder to make up its par 
value if the duty of the corporation to its creditors requires 
it, although he originally agreed to take the stock as fully 
paid up. 
In Upton \. TiJ)ilcock,91 U. S. 45, the defendant agreed 
to becoine a stockholder, and, with intent to become such, 
accepted a certificate for stock whereby he became bound to 
pay the full amount thereof as follows : Five per cent, upon 
the delivery of the certificate ; 5 per cent in three months ; 
5 per cent, in six flionths; 5 per cent, in nine months; and 
the residue wheneycr called for by the company, according to 
the charter of the company and the laws of the state of Illi- 
nois. The defence was that the subscription was obtained 
by the fraudaient representations of the agent of the com- 
pany, to the effect that the defendant would only be respon- 
sible for 20 per' cent, of the subscription made by him, and 
that he delivered his note in full payment of this amount. 
He received a certificate with the word &quot;non-assessable&quot; 
printed aeross the face. It was held that the legal effect of 
the instrument was tb niake the remaining 80 per cent, pay- 
able upon the demand of the company, and that the word 
&quot;non-assessable&quot; was no qualification of this resuit. &quot;At the 
most, the legal effect of the word in question is a stipulation 
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out of the State of Kentucky. Hdd, (a) that, under the facts alleged 
and the terms of the mortgftge, said Une from Newport.to Catletts- 
burg was not a branch of a road virhich said Kehiucky &amp; Great East- 
em Company was authorized to build ; \b) that the Kentucky &amp; 
Great Eastern Company had no right, so far as the crosa-bill shows, 
to acquire said Maysville &amp; Bi^ Sandy Railroad Withbut the concur- 
rence of the stockholders of the former, and such concurrence is not 
alleged. ^ ' 
Held^further, that, under the allegations of the cross-hill and the 
tenus of the mort gage, said Maysville &amp; Big Sandy Railroad was not 
intended to be conveyed as a.fter-acquired propertv. ' 
Quœre, the Kentucky &amp; Great Eastern Company having, at the 
time of the execution of the mortgage, no authority to acquire said 
Maysville &amp; Big Sandy Railroad, whether, although It might have 
been intended so to convey said latter-named railroad as after- 
acquired property, it would have passed under gaid mortgage, the 
same being ult,ra vires. 
5. Pbactice— RKPiiBADBB Afteb Rbmovai. fbom Btate Coukt. 
In Equity. On demurrers to cross-bill oi Parmers' Loah 
&amp; Trust Company, praying a foreclosure of; its mortgage, 
Wm. H.Wadsworth, of Mayaville, Ky., and Perry eJenney, 
of Cincinnati, for M. &amp; B. S. Ey. Co. and Wadsworth and 
associates. 
I. The Kentucky &amp; Great Eastern Railway Company had no right or 
title to the franchise or property of the Maysville &amp; Big Sandy Railway 
Company to pledge to Farmers' Loan &amp; Trust Company. 
II. The Kentucky &amp; Great Eastern Railway Company did not mortr 
gage thefranchise or property of Maysville &amp; Big Sandy Company and 
the terms of the mortgage do not embrace the same. (a) Only the Ken- 
tucky &amp;, Great Eastern Railway Company's own Une, acquired or to be 
acquired, is embraced in the mortgage. (b) A railroad not then acquired 
by that cqmpany, and which it had not then power to construct, will not 
paas by the mortgage, as af ter-acquired property. Jones on Rail. Secur. 
^5 104-107 ; Meyer v. Jbhnston,53 Ala. 237, 331 ; Shamokin Val. Ry. Co. v. 
Livermore, 47 Pa. St. 465 ; Fa/rmen' L. £ T. Co. v. Com. Bank, 11 Wis. 
207; 15 Wis. 434; mnmnore v. Racine, etc., By. Go. 12 111. 649 ; Walsh v. 
Barton, 24 Ohio St. 28 ; 1 Jones on Mortgages, H 156, 157. When right of 
action on con tracts will pass. Jones, Rail. Secur. § 108 ; Mil., etc., Ry. 
Co. V. Mil, etc., Ry. Co. 20 Wis. 174. 
III. As after-acquired property, the mortgagee would take it subject 
to equities. 1 Jones on Mortgages, J 158, and notes; Fosdiek v. Schall, 
99 U. S. 250 ; U. 8. v. N. 0. By. Co. 12 Wall. 362; Beall v. WMte, 104 U. 
S. 382. 
G. Li Raison, Jr., of Cincinnati, for plaintiff and Ken. &amp; 
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Two questions ha ve beeri elaborfttely discussed by counsel, 
to-wit: 
, (l),&quot;Whether under the Btatutea mortgage of personal propertynot 
recorded is valid as against a subsequent creditor who becomes suchwith- 
out notice of such mortgage. (2) . Whether, independently of the statute, a 
mortgage of personal property, where the mortgagor retains the posses- 
sion and deals with the property as his own, is valid as against a creditor 
of the mortgagor who becomes such without notice of the mortgage 1 
The first of these being a question as to the true construc- 
tion 6f a fltatute of the state of Iowa, we are constrained to 
follow the decisions of the supreme court of the state, howt 
ever much/we may doubt the soundness of those decisions. 
Were this an original question we should hold, without hesi- 
tation, that the statute was enacted to prevent the perpetra- 
tion of fraud by the sale or mortgage of personal property 
without the delivery of the possession, and without notice to 
persons subsequently dealing with the vendor or mortgagor. 
Independently of any statutory provision, a manual deliv- 
livery of the mortgaged property to the mortgagee would be 
neeessary to the validity of the instrument. This rule of the 
common law has its foundation in the doctrine that posses- 
sion of personal property is prima facie evidence of owner- 
ship, To allow the owner of such property to transfer the 
title hj a secret conveyance, while retaining the possession 
and assuming to act as the owner, was regarded at common 
law as permitting a fraud upon all who should deal with him 
upon the faith of his ownership. His possession and appar- 
ent ownership, it was believed, gave him credit, and afforded 
him the means of defrauding others. 
The purpose of the legistature in enacting this statute was 
net, in our judgment, to set aside this wholesome doctrine 
and thus enable dishonest persons to commit fraud by means 
of secret chattel mortgages; it was only to substitute record: 
ing for delivery. If thus construed, the statute affords a pro- 
tection against fraud quite as effectuai as that given by the 
common law ; but if we hold that a secret unrecorded sale 
or mortgage may be enforced as against a creditor who deals 
with the vendor or mortgagor in ignorance of its existence, 
unless such creditor shall, by attachment or otherwise, obtain&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/828</title>
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WooBTBB V. Blakb and others. 
{Circuit Court, S. D. MeiB Ymk. June 30, 1881.) 
1. Equitt Pbactich— Rtxle 34. 
Rule 34 of the rules of practice prescribed by th» supreme court 
for the courte of equity of the United Btates, requires that on over- 
ruling a plea the defendant shall be allowed to answer ; that teave 
must be given to it. 
In Equity. 
F. H. Betts, for complainant. 
W. H. L. Lee, for defendants. 
BiiATCHFORD, C. J. The Company is willing to have its 
plea overruled. That is all the plaintif oan ask. But rule 
34 requires that on overruling a plea the defendant shall be 
allowed to answer; that leave must be given to it. A pre- 
liminary injunction will be issued against the other defend- 
ants on the claims of the Kobjohn patent, which was adju- 
dicated upon in the decision; but if such an injunction is 
asked for against the company, it must be moved for on 
papers and notice. An order will be settled on notice. 
Clabk V. Bbbcheb Makuf'o Co. and another. 
(Oircuit Court, D. Conneeticut. February 15, 1881.) 
Patent No. 66,130 — Blanks for CAKEiAOB-TniLii Shaokles — In- 
FBIKeBMDNT. 
Letters patent No. 66,130, gra/ited Jamea B. Clark, June 25, 1867, 
for improvement in hlanks for carriage-thill shackles, A«W, not in- 
fringed by devices manufactured under letters patent No. 106,225, 
granted Atigugt 9, 1870, to Willis B. Smith, for dies for forging car- 
riage shackle blanlcs. 
Complainant's invention, consisting of blanks for carria^e-thlll 
shackles and dies for making same, whereby the shackle is primarily 
f ormed with a curve on its central body portion, go that the subsequent 
straightening of the central portion and flnishing of the blank forces 
the surplus metal to the corners to flll up the deflciency in them and 
make them sharply-deflned right angles, hdd, not infringed by defend-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The invention embodied in this claim is, in fact, a combi- 
iiation of a valve for a water-closet with a variable chamber, 
and with a cup-leather, in such manner that the valve is 
caused to close slowly, because the operation of the cup- 
leather, as a tight packing, prevents the passage of water, 
and is allowed to open rapidly, because the operation of the 
cup-leather as a valve permits the passage of water. The 
cup-leather thus acts in one direction as a valve, and in the 
opposite direction as a packing. The variable chamber or 
cavity or cylinder bas in it a piston with a cup-leather on it 
centrally, and is provided with a small aperture which per- 
mits the graduai escape of water from it. When the cavity 
is filled with water the valve is held on its seat by a spiral 
spring. When the valve stem is depressed, the valve ia 
opeued rapidly, because the cup-leather then acts as a valve 
and permits the water to pass freely outside of it. When 
the force which depressed the valve stem is removed, the 
spring acts to shut the valve, but shuts it slowly, because 
the cup-leather acts as a tight packing, being forced by the 
pressure of the water outwards against the wall of the cavity. 
Therefore the water can escape only slowly from the cavity 
through the said small aperture, and the valve cannot move 
faster to shut than it is allowed to move by the escape of the 
water through said small aperture. The defendants' water- 
closet has a contrivance, the mode of operation of which is 
substantially the same as that of Carr. It has a variable 
chamber, a cup-leather which acts in one direction as a pack- 
ing and in the opposite direction as a valve, and it has a 
small aperture in the variable chamber which permits a 
small flow of water theref rom while the valve is closing. The 
cup-leather controla the motion of the valve in closing grad. 
ually ; it moves freely in one direction and closes against the 
wall of the containing chamber in the other direction, and the 
leakage of water in said chamber allows the movement of the 
cup-leath'er. There is, clearly, an infringement of the third 
claim, unless the particular arrangement of the , aperture 
through which the water escapes from the variable chamber 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/838</title>
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ih'ereforo, be held that the defendants have infringed the 
first claim of No. 21,734, 
In a suit before Judge McKennan the validity of the frwo 
claims above considered waa isustained ; but, in deciding the 
case, no written opinion waa given. In a suit in Missouri 
against Boisselier and Kupferle, involving the said claims 
and a closet like that of the defendants in these cases, the 
bill was dismissed, but on what grounds does not appear 
from the decision of the court. In regard to any supposed 
effect of the decree in that suit, as a bar in favor of the 
defendants in these guits, it is sufficient to say that no pro- 
ceedings in that suit are set up in the answers in these suits. 
There must be a decree for the plaintiffs as to the above 
claims, and for an account of pro&amp;ts and an ascertainment 
of damages, with costs. 
The C. m. Titus. 
(District Court, S. B. New York. January 22, 1S81.) 
Rbpairing Vbssei&lt; — Hypothecating Cargo— Notice to Ownkk op 
CABQO— SaLTAGB— COLIUBION. 
Where a master aod owner of a canal-boat verbally agreed with the 
libellant to pump her eut and repair her leakg, having run her 
aground to avoid ainking, between Fourth and Fifth streeta, Hoboken, 
where she lay within the Une bf the ends of the piers on a muddy bot- 
tom, and where she could remain, saf ely two or three days without f ur- 
ther damage, and eut of the track of other vessels, the cargo consisting 
of iron, not likely to be injured; and neither of them consulted the 
shipper or consignee, although the master had two days before con- 
tracted with the shipper in New York to deliver the cargo at the Del- 
aware, Lackawanna &amp; Western Railroad dock in Ploboken, and had 
already reported his arrivai to the consignee ; and the libellant, after 
partially completing the worls and moving the boat to the Elysian 
rields, demanded payment of the shipper in New York, but was re- 
fused, the underwriters claiming that the master acted without 
authority ; and the libellant then flnished the work of caulking and 
patching her up, and after procuring from the master a written agree- 
ment for the services, dated back to the day of his employment, and 
a written protest before a notary, also antedated, charging the leak-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/848</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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party contracting &quot;with him cannot hold the public officer 
responsible as an agent acting without authority. This doc- 
trine bas been laid down upon the express ground of the 
third contracting party's knowledge when entering into the 
contract of the public agent's want of authority. McCv/rdy 
V. Rogers, 21 Wis. 197; Birchard v. Warren County, 31 Iowa, 
389; Boardman v. Hayne, 29 Iowa, 339. 
In the great county bond litigation which lately agitated 
the courts of this state, it was never claimed that the county 
officers who had, as decided by the supreme court of Iowa, 
acted ultra vires in issuing the bonds, were themselves per&gt; 
Bonally liable as agents contracting without authority. 
It bas been suggested that the defendants offered the 
reward without any formai meeting and resolution of the 
board authorizing it. This would be material if there had 
been any statutory authority empowering the board, at a reg- 
ular or oalled Session, to offer the reward in question; but 
einee if at an authorized session a resolution of the board 
offering the reward would have been utterly without author- 
ity and void, it can make no kind of difference that the 
defendants acted without such formai meeting and author- 
ity. If there had been statutory authority, and the defend- 
ants had acted, in offering the reward, without actual author- 
ity conferred by the board, the plaintiff could charge them 
upon the contract as agents acting without or transcending 
their authority, because in that case the want of authority 
depending on a matter of fact, not law, notice of the absence 
of power to make the contract oould not be imputed to the 
plaintiff. 
Pemurrer sustained*&lt;noinclude&gt;
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viding employment to the seamen upon a foreign vessel, ana 
it is lusisted that the verdict on these counts cannot be up- 
held beeause the statute does not assume to regulate the 
employment of seamen in any other than American vessels, 
and does not apply when employment is provided for the sea- 
men upon a foreign vessel. The section was originally sec- 
tion 11 of the act of June 7, 1872, and was evidently intended 
to supplement sections 7 and 8 of that act so as to protect 
seamen, not only from extortion on the part of officiais to 
whom was committed the supervison of the shipping of sea- 
men, but also from the interference of interlopers for gain in 
the transaction. The title of the act, which is for &quot;the 
appointaient of shipping cpmmissioners * * * to 
superintend the shipping and discharge of seamen en^aged 
in mer.chant ships belonging to the ; United States, and for 
the future protection of seamen,&quot; affords some evidence of 
the legislative intent ; the sevirai sections of the act, which 
throughout are consistent with the title, contemplate a sur- 
ve^l^nqeby American oflScial^ pf American vessels; and the 
definition in section 66, for the purposes of the act, of a 
seaifian as a person employed or engaged to serve in any 
capacity &quot;upon any ship belonging to any citizen of the United 
States,&quot; — allconeur to demonstrate the scheme and scope of 
the act as designed to secure protection of seamen in Amer- 
ican ships throughout the hiring, service, and discharge of 
such seamen. While section 4609 is broad eiiough, standing 
alone, to include a case where remuneration is exacted for 
providing a seaman with employment in a foreign ship, it 
muet be read in pari materia, and as a penal statute must 
nothe extended beyond the fair purview of the legislation of 
T^hich it is a part. 
The further point is made for the defendant that the action 
is improperly brought in the name of the United States, and 
that the district attorney, and not the United States, is the 
proper party plaintiff. 
Section 4610, under which this action is brought, reads as 
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less liable to upset, using the same means that Topham ap- 
plied to spittoons, and producing the same resulta. He ha» 
substituted sheet-metal for other, and it may be lesa appro- 
priate, materials for the manufacture, but there was no inven- 
tion in the mere change of material. And his method of 
construction, to-wit, the putting together the cuspi|dor in 
three pieces, is so obvions that nothing was claimed for it in 
the patent, and nothing ougbt to have been. Any skilled 
mechanic would naturally adopt it without the exercise of 
inventive talent. 
As the defendants justify under the Topham patent there 
must be a decree in their favor, and it is ordered accord- 
ingly. 
United States Stamping Oo. v. King and others. 
(Cirmit Court, 8. D. New T&lt;rrh. Auguat 23, 1879.) 
1. Patent No. 119,705 — Cuspidors — Motion for Pbbli.minart Injunc- 
TioN — Anticipation — Validitt. 
Letters patent No. 119,705, granted October 10, 1871, to Eugene A. 
Heath, for improvement in cuspidors, on a motion for preliminary 
injunction, held, not anticipated by letters patent Ko. 106,194, granted 
August 2, 1870, to William H. Topham, for improvement in spit- 
toons ; also, held valid and motian granted. 
2. Samb — Same — Anticipation — Inpringbmknt. 
Heatli's invention, consisting of a metallic cuspidor, in form essen- 
tially a spheroidal body, with conical moutli flaring outwards, formed 
of three metallic parte, the lower being heavier, and the middle and 
upper being lighter, than in then-exiating devicea, the lower part 
extending up to the longeat diameter of the spheroid, the middle 
part of a dome shape and joined to the upper and lower parts, the 
upper part being an inverted cone forming a mouth, the whole not 
being liable to fracture, and having the capacity of returning to 
an upright position of itself, from a position not upright, when left 
free, Iteld, not anticipated by Topham's invention, consiating of a 
papier moche spittoon with a weight incorporated between the upper 
and lower layers of the bottom portion, tending to retain the vesael 
in its proper porsition when force is applied to tilt or upset it ; and 
infringed by defendant's cuspidors, constructed of three metallic&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/890</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Fitzgerald. It wa^ held that[the assignment cunveyed the 
legal title to the patent afterwards issued. The court held 
that, as the assigner possessed the inchoate right to the ex- 
clusive use of the invention at the time he made the assign- 
ment, and had made the disoovery and prepared the specifi- 
cation of the patent, and as the assignment was intended to 
operate upon the perfect legal title which the inventer then 
had a right to obtain, because it requested that the patent 
might issue to the assignee, there was no sound reason for 
restraining the assignment to the inchoate interest and re- 
quiring a further transfer of the patent. In the present case, 
the patent had been allowed and ordei;ed to issue before the 
assignment was made, and the assignment refers to that 
fact, and to the f act that the purehase is of all the right, title 
and interest of Heath in the inveriiion &quot;in consequence of the 
grant of letters patent therefor.&quot; The defendant does not set 
up any right derived jfrom Decker.: Under the above decision 
it must be held that when the, patent issued to Heath the 
legal right to the property ^t created beeame vested in the 
Company on the recording of the assignment to it. 
The plaintiff is entitled to the usual interlocutory decreo 
fot an account and a perpetuai injunction. 
The Brothers. 
Beaoham and anoth^r ». Beck and others. 
(District Churi, D. Mwryland. May 20, 1881.) 
. LiBEi, IN Persojsam— Paetibs. 
Repairs were put upon a domestic vessel by a flrm of ship-buildera, 
of which one of the part owners was a member. 
Libel in peraonam was instituted by the flrm against all the part 
owners to obtain a decree against theta *n solidoioi the repairs. 
. Ildd, thai such a libel in personam, in which the same person is 
one of the libellants and also one of the respondents, could not be 
ttiailntaiiied. ' 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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fade he was agent of the owners, with authority to bind 
them for repairs, and that any restriction of this implied 
authority must be proved by the owners to have been known 
to th^ oreditor. Maclachlan, 108; Bevem v. Lewis, 2 Paine, 
202. - 
There is, however, a defence set up of a technieal charac- 
ter which I have not feit at liberty to disregard, and which 
1 h^ve not been able satisfactorily to answer. It is the 
objection that in no suit (except in equity) can the same 
person be one of the plaintiff s and , at the samQ time one of 
thei defendants. I do not see that in this case the objection 
could be cured by amendment. The suit is based and the 
libel is framed uppn the liability of all the, owners to respond 
tp the crediter jointly and in 9olido. In suc h a suit the fail- 
ure to join all the owners as defendants could be objected to 
by plea in abatement. Maclachlg,n, 117 ; 2 Conkling's Adm. 
23; Benedict's Adm. § 387; 1 Parsons, Ship. and Adm.118. 
The defendants, who have paid their share, are still liable 
under this libel for the residue, (1 Parsons, Ship. and Adm. 
102,) and the deorce would Ije a deoree in favor of Samuel T^ 
Beacham and against Samuel T. Beacham, and could not be 
a decree against any of the defendant 's separa tely, Jenks ' 
■V. Lewis, 1 Ware, 51; Thomas ¥. Lane, 2 Sumner, 1. 
Courts of admiralty have no general jurisdiction to admin- 
igter relief as courts of equity, and will not assume jurisdic- 
tion iu matters of account between part owners. The Larchy 
2 Curtis, 434; Davis v. Child,l Davis, 80; Andrews v. Ins. 
Go. 3 Mason, 16; Ward v. Thompson, 22 H. 330; Orleans v. 
Phœhis, 11 Pet. 175; 1 Parsons, Ship. and Adm. 116. 
I am constrained to think that the libel must be dismissed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/898</title>
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No reason is alleged for the neglect to cancel the stamp; 
but the bill ascribes two contradictory motives for the omis- 
sion to duly stamp the conveyance made by said William A. 
to the Drains: (1) To make the consideration correspond 
with that in the conveyance from J. A. to himself, and to 
promote the purpose for which it was made — to defraud the 
creditera of said J. A. ; and (2) that an &quot;inadequate &quot; considera- 
tion was &quot;expressed&quot; in such conveyance, with intent to 
evade the revenue act. 
The omission to stamp the deed from the first motive, does 
not render it void. An act done with a purpose to defraud 
or aid in defrauding the creditors of J. A. is not an act done, 
so far as appears, with intent to defraud the govemment. 
Nor does it naatter how &quot;inadequate&quot; the consideration for 
the conveyance is, so that the stamp used corresponds with 
it in amount. The statuts does not require a person to dis- 
pose of his property for an &quot;adequate&quot; consideration, with a 
view of enhancing the revenue of the government from that 
source, but very properly leaves that to be cared for by the 
selushness or the cupidity of the party interested. Neither 
is the allegation upon this point sufiScient, although it sug- 
gests that the proper one was in the mind of the pleader. 
The consideration expressed must not only have been inade- 
quate, but less than the amount actually paid. As section 
158 of the stamp act, as amended by the act of March 3, 
1865, (13 St. 481,) provides that the title of a purchaser by 
deed duly stamped shall not be affected by the*want of a 
stamp upon the deed of his grantor or predecessor in the 
inteiest, the allegation in the bill that the conveyance to said 
William A. was not duly stamped, is immaterial, so far as 
these defendants are coneerned. 
With thia demurrer there was also argued and submitted 
the demurrer of the defendant Jonas Ellensburg to said 
bill, The case made in the bill against him is this: The 
defendant Charles Putnam, a grandson of the defendant 
J. A., and one of the persons to whom said J. A. eonveyed a 
portion of his real property as aforesaid, on January 19, 
1879, sold 42 acres of the saine to said Jonas for the sum&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/900</title>
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was plaintifl, directed to the sherifl of that county, ?'. e., the defendant 
^ Perkins, to execute. The jury found the issue joined upon this plea 
for the plaintitf. The defendants then moved to dismiss the same for 
want of jurisdiction after verdict and before judgment. 
Hdd, that in this case the court could have taken jurisdiction of the 
parties, as the oitizenship was such as to give it such jurisdiction of 
them, and it would only refrain from taking jurisdiction of the sub- 
ject-matter by reason of comity towards another court of concurrent 
jurisdiction. 
Meld, further, that neither of the parties to assert the right of the 
State court to keep possession of the property disputed the jurisdic- 
tion of this court until after the trial on the merits. Then it was too 
late to raise the points. 
, Ela de Parker, for plaintiff. 
Connelly e McNeal, Ira 0. Wilkinson, and Frank Baker, 
for defendant. 
Blodgett, D. J. This is an action of replevin for the 
recovery of a Taluable horse, alleged to have been unjustly 
taken and detained from the plaintiff by the defendants. 
Four pleas were interposed: First, non cepit; second, non 
detinet; third, property in Eobert I. Lee and not in the said 
plaintiff; foiirth, that the defendant Perkins was at the time 
when, etc., sheriff of Eock Island county, in the state of 
Illinois, duly qualified and acting as such ; that on the fourth 
day of September, 1878, the Topeka National Bank, of To- 
peka, Kansas, sued out of the circuit court of said county 
of Eock Island its writ of attachment of that date against 
one Eobert I. Lee for the sum of $3,285.76, with interest 
from the first day of December, 1876, and caused the same 
to be directed to the sheriff of said county to execute, in 
and by which writ the sheriff was commanded to attach so 
much of the estate, real and ifersonal, of the said Eobert I. 
Lee, to be found in his county, as should be sufficient to sat- 
isfy the indebtedness mentioned in the writ, and such estate 
so attached in his hands to secure, so as to provide that the 
same might be liable for the proeeedings thereupon according 
to law, which writ was made returnable on the first Monday 
of January next after the date thereof ; and that such writ 
came duly into the hands of defendant Perkins, as such 
sheriff, to execute, and was by him, on the day of the date&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/902</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700367</id>
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the merits, the defendants had submitted to this court that 
the property in question was in the eustody of the state court, 
iftnd that. the controversy over the ownership of it, which was 
initiated by the levy of the writ of attachment upon it as the 
property of Lee, eould and should properly be remitted to 
that court for determination, this court, in the light of Free-, 
man v. Howe, and other cases in the supreme court of the 
United States involving the same principle, would undoubt- 
edly have dismissed the cause and returned the property to 
the officers of the state court. 
The defendants might with propriety have said to this 
court; &quot;This property is alleged to be the property of Eob- 
ert I. Lee. It is seized as such ; it is in the possession of 
the sta^e court as such. The law of the state of Illinois 
(chapter 11, § 29, Eev. St. of Illinois) expressly provides 
that any third person claiming the property attached, as 
this property has been, ean interplead and protect his 
awa title; and therefore this court ought not to take from 
the state court the controTersy of which it had properly 
aCquired Jurisdiction.&quot; But instead of doing this the de- 
fendants plead to the merits, and try the case upon the 
merits ; challenge the validity of plaintiff 's title, charge that 
plaintiff 's title is fraudulent as against the attaching cred- 
iter of Lee, and only after their defeat by the jury upon that 
issue do they raise the question of jurisdiction. 
In the case of Freeman v. Howe the marshal of the United 
States had levied a writ of attachment upon certain cars as 
the property of the railroad company, the defendant in the 
attachment. A mortgagee of the railroad company brought 
replevin in the state court, and the supreme court of the 
United States in that case held that the possession of the 
marshal could not be interfered with by the process of the 
state court. 
This case is not strictly analogous in its facts to that. 
Here the attachment was by the officers of the state court, 
and the replevin was from the federal court. In Freeman v. 
Howe the controversy in regard to the title to this property 
could not have been removed from the federal into the state&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/904</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700369</id>
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to experiment with this court; and, after having had a trial 
and being defeated, they are now diaposed to fall back upon 
a point whioh they ought to have raised in the first instance. 
The motion to dismiss for want of jurisdiction is therefore 
overruled. 
FiBST Nat. Bank of Oswego v. Town op Walcott. 
(Circuit Court, If. D. New York. July 9, 1881.) 
1. MunicipaIj Bonds — AuTHOBiTr — Ratification. 
Whether the commissioners of the defendant complied with tha 
Btatutory requirements in issuing its bonds or not, the defendant 
ratified their act by paying interest for six or seven years upon the 
bonds, and retaining the stock of the railroad Company received in 
exchange for the bonds. 
2. Same—Samb— Recitals— BoNA Fidb Pubchaser. 
Whether the recital of the bonds, that theywere issued &quot;by virtuo 
of an act of the legislature of New York, entitled,&quot; etc., warranted 
a purchaser in assuming without examination that the agents of the 
defendant had complied with the statutory requirements in issuing 
the bonds, query. 
Rhodes a Richardson, for plaintiff. 
G. H. Roys, for defendant. 
Wallace, D. J. a question is made in this case whether 
the recitals upon the face of the bonds issued in the name 
of the defendant are sueh as to authorize a purchaser to 
assume that the agents of the defendant had complied with 
the statutory requirements in issuing the bonds. If they 
were not sufficient, it was incumbent upon a purchaser to 
examine into the preliminary proceedings in order to ascer- 
tain whether or not the commissioners had observed the con- 
ditions which the statute imposed upon their action. The 
recital upon the face of the bonds is that they were issued 
&quot;by virtue of an act of the legislature of the state of New 
York, entitled,&quot; etc. 
In Pompton v. Cooper Union, 101 U. S. 196, the supreme 
court of the United States held that where the bonds recited&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/906</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700371</id>
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tions would be influential in giving currencyand value to the 
bond?; and, upon the principle of ratification, it is now too 
late to permit the defendant, while retaii^in^ the benefit of 
the transaction, to dispute its obligations. 
Judgment is ordered for the plaintiff. ; • 
United States ». BBiDiiBMAH. ' 
{District Court, B. Oregon. July 15, 1881.) 
1. Laeceint of Indian Propbktt. 
The Indian intercourse act of June 30, '1834, (4 St. 729,) was ex- 
tended over Oregon, so far as the same was applicable thereto, by act 
of June 5, 1850, (9 St. 437.) Hdd, that the provision of said act of 
1834, providing for the punishment of a white man for stealing the 
property of an Indian, and wce versa, was applicable to Oregon, and 
thereafter in force there; and that. the same was not modifled or 
repealed by the admission of the state into the Union, February 14, 
1859. 11 St. 383. 
2. Umatilla Resbbvation an Indian Countrt. 
The treaty of June 9, 1855, (12 St. 445,) establishing the Umatilla 
reservation for the exclusive use of certain Indian tribes, was not 
modifled or repealed by the act admitting Oregon into the Union, 
and from the date of such treaty, and by reason thereof , such reserva- 
tion was and is &quot; Indian country,&quot; and all laws for the punishment 
of crimes committed in such country are applicable thereto, and 
may be enforced in the United States courts for the district of Or- 
egon. 
S. Intbbcotibsb wjth thb Indian Tribes. 
The power of congress to regulate the intercourse hetween the 
inhabitants of the United States and the Indian tribes therein, is not 
limited by state Unes or govemments, but may be exercised and 
enforced wherever the subject— Indian tribes— exists. 
Bufus Malhry, for the United States. 
The defendant, in person. 
Deady, D. J. On July 7, 1881, an information was filed 
in this court by the district attorney charging the defendant 
with the larceny of a blanket from an Indian on the Umatilla 
Indian reservation in this district. The defendant pleaded 
not guilty, and the case was submitted to the court upon an&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/914</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700380</id>
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tribe, the intercourse with which is under its absolute coa- 
trol? 
But there is another ground upon which the jurisdiction 
of the United States to punish this offence may be safely 
placed. The ratification of the treaty of June 9, 1855, on 
March 8, 1859, took effect by relation from the date of its 
signing, so that it was in full force whan the state was 
admitted. U. ^. v. Eeynes, 9 How. 143 ; Davis v. The Police 
Court, Id. 285; Haver v. Yaker, 9 Wall. 34. Like every 
other treaty made by the authority of the United States, this 
one was and is the supreme law of the land. Const. U. S. 
art. 6, subd. 2; Worcester v. Georgia, 6 Pet. 515. By it the 
Umatilla reservation -was set apart for &quot;the exclusive use&quot; 
of the tribe of Indians to which Shick-Shuck belongs, and 
no white person was to be permitted &quot;to reside upon the 
same&quot; without the permission of the United States given by 
its superintendent and agent. In my judgment the efifect of 
this treaty was to make the act of 1834 applicable thereto, 
Gxcept as otherwise provided therein, so that it became and 
is, to all intents and purposes, &quot;Indian country,&quot; within the 
the meaning oi that phrase as used in that act and the 
Revised Statutes. 
The admission of the state into the Union, with this 
reservation established within its exterior lines, did not and 
could not have the effect to abrogate or modify this treaty^ 
The act of admission is silent upon the subject, and admit- 
ting that the treaty might be repealed by an act of congress, 
{Taylor v. Morton, 2 Curt. G. C. 454; The Clinton Bridge, 1 
Woolw. 155 ; The Cherchee Tobacco, 11 Wall. 620,) there is no 
reason to believe that congress intended by such act to affect it 
in any way. The necessity for the reservation was quite as 
apparent then as when it was created, and the treaty pro- 
viding for it was ratified by the senate within a month after 
the passage of the act of admission. The reservation bas 
ever since been maintained by the United States, and con- 
gress bas continued to recognize its existence as provided in 
the treaty by making appropriations for its support.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/918</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700386</id>
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i A creditor's claim, duly proved according to the provisions 
of the bankrupt act, is, prima fade, good. The burden of 
showing that the claim is founded in mistake or fraud, lies 
upon the assignee or the crediter attacking the proof. T 
think he has failed in this respect, in the present instance, 
except in the amount of the Chase &amp; Locke note, as before 
stated. 
Under the circumstances, the proper order to be entered is 
that the register's decision be reversed; that the proof of 
claim be expunged ; and that the crediter have leave to put 
in new proof, after deducting the amount of the Chase &amp; Locke 
note, and that no costs be allowed to either party 
Washeurn &amp; MoEN Manuf'g Co. V. Haish. 
Washbuen &amp; MoEN Mandi-'g Co. and another r. Same. 
[Girmit Court, N. D. minois. Febmary 21, 1881. ) 
L Rb-Issues Nos., 6,902, 6,913, akd 6,976— Babbed-Wieb Fenobs— Va- 
LiDiTY — Motion fob Rehbarinq. 
Upon a motioa for a rehearlng, on the groiuid that the re-issued 
letters patent Nos. 6,902, 6,913, and 6,976, for improvements in 
barbed-wire fences, In suit, are invalid, net being for the same in- 
ventions as their respective originals, such re-iasnes hdd valid, and 
motion overruled. 
2. Patent No. 67,117— Re-Issub No. 6,976 — Construction— Ldiita- 
TION. 
Original letters patent No. 67,117, granted July 23, 1867, to William 
D. Hunt, claiming the method of &quot; providing the wires of a wire 
fence with a series of gpur wheels,&quot; the claim in the re-issue thereof, 
No. 6,976, dated March 7, 1876, to Charles Kennedy, assignee, for &quot;a 
fence-wire provided with apuri,&quot; cannot hetnlarged to include every 
kind of barb that may be attached to fence wire, but is limited to the 
fence wire and spura described in the original patent. 
3. Bame— Spur-Wheei. Babbs— Hunt's Devicb. 
Hunt's invention consists of spur-wheels having sharpened spurs 
with holes in their centere to permit the fence wire to pais through 
them, and fltting the wire loosely to revolve upon it, or kept in their 
places at suitable distances apart by flanges.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 7.djvu/920</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700388</id>
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tle. It would seem to follow from this statement of the case, 
and in view of the further fact that it hr^d been common to 
arm varions fences other than wire with points or prickers, 
that it was not competent for any inventer to do more than 
to claim his own special method of forming and affixing the 
barb which he had devised. 
Applying these principles to the Hant original and re-issued 
patent, we can give to them a proper construction. Hunt 
invented a particular kind of spur-wheel, which he strung 
upon the wires of a fence, a description of which he gives in 
his original specifications. They were small-spur wheels, the 
spurs being sharpened ; the wheels were provided with open- 
ings at their centers for the, wire to pass through. Com- 
paring the text of the original and re-issue together, it will 
be seen that the original Hunt patent was for a &quot;hew and 
usefulimprovement in fences.&quot; The same is stated in the 
re-is8ue. The material differences between the specifications 
of the original and re-issue seem to be these: In the re- 
issue it is said, referring to the drawing : &quot;D represents 
single spurs secured to the wires.&quot; That iS not in the orig- 
inal specifications. In the original specifications it is said : 
&quot;Tfafe spurS fit the \7ire loosely, so as to revolve easily upon 
iti&quot; In the re-issue &quot;the spur- wheels may fit the wire loosely, 
so as to revolve easily upon it.&quot; In the original it says: 
'•The spurs may be kept in their places, or at suitable dis- 
tances apart, by means of flanges.&quot; In the re-issue refer- 
ence is made at the end of the word &quot;flanges&quot; to a letter A, 
&lt;iontained in the drawings. In the original theclaim is : &quot;Pro- 
viding the wires of a wire fence with a series of spur-wheels, 
substantially as and for the purposes set forth.&quot; In the re- 
issue the claim is: &quot;A fence wire provided with spurs for 
the purpose specified. &quot; While it is true that in the re-issue 
it is said D represents single spurs secured to the wire, and 
they are contained in the drawings of the re-issue, yet the 
drawings of the original patent contain single spurs, repre- 
sented on the wire. The same is in the re-issue, although no 
reference is made to them in the specifications. 
Considering the drawings, the specifications, and the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ZiNN and others v. Weiss. 
(Otreuit Court, E. D. New York. March 17, 1881.) 
1. Patent No. 47,135— Ke-Issubs No. 8,106 nm&gt; 8,123— Pocket-Book 
OiiASPS— Motion FOR Pbbliminart Injunction— Vaiiditt. 
Upon a motion for a preliminary injunetion, letters patent No. 
47,133, granted April 4, 1865, to Charles Beaver; re-issued letters 
patent No. 8,106, granted February 26, 1878, to Zinn and Measer ; 
and re-issued letters patent No. 8,123, granted March 12, 1878, to 
Zinn and Messer,^— all for improvements in pocket-book clasps, — 
' hetd mlid. 
2. Patent- GoiTBiNATioN — Machine — New Use- Infringement. 
A. patent may secure a combination or machine without regard to 
the purposes for which it is intended, and will be infringed by the 
employment of such device for a purpose not mentioned in the patent. 
Thns a patent for an improved clothes-fastehing attachment or 
clasp, will be infringed by a device substantially aimilar to It, used 
on a pocket-book, thongh the use of such fastener upon pocket-books 
■was not mentioned or claimed in the patent. 
3. Patent No. 47,135 — Clothes Fastener— Corset Fastener- An- 
ticipation. 
Letters patent No. 47,135, for an improved clothes fastener, con- 
sisting of a metallic plate, provided with a projecting stud applied to 
theunder lap of the article to be fastened, and a hing«d button or 
cap to shut down on the top of the stud, and enclose the upper lap 
of the article, when it'is slipped over the stud by a recess in it, held, 
not antidqxUed by a corset fastening in which the platb and cap are 
not hinged together, but are attaohed one to either side of the corset, 
and operate by slipping an eyelet placed in the cap oyer a stud placed 
in the plate. 
4 Re-Issubs No. 8,106 and 8,123— Pocket-Book Clabps- Kohlman 
Clasp — Anticipation — Inpbingement. 
Be-issued letters patent No. 8,106, for an improVed pocket-book 
clasp, consisting of a base plate with a stud attaohed thereto, over 
which an eyelet in the lap to be clasped passes, a cap whose tail- 
piece presses against a spring attached to the base plate and engages 
with it by arms working in flanges in the base plate, holding the cap 
and stud in connection, and permitting the cap tq;mpve back and 
allow the eyelet to be withdrawn; and re-issued letters patent No. 
8,123, for an imprbved pocket-book clasp, consisting of a base plate 
And cap hinged «pon a slot^therein, with its tail-piece pressiug upon 
the free end of a spring attached thereto, holding the cap and hase 
in connection, and permitting' the cap to swing back and forth, so 
as to clasp, hetween it and the base, the lap desired to be held 
thereby, — Kdd, not anUcipated by the Eohiman clasp, having a base 
plate and box extendin j over a large part thereof, a cap extending&lt;noinclude&gt;
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original. What I do say is that it is quite clear that the 
office of the re-issue was to seeure the broad olaim now con- 
tehded for, and the complainant must be held to such a claim, 
even though it may reault that the real invention is not se- 
ctired. I am of opinion that the invention thus claimed ia 
anticipated by the patent granted to H. W. Sabin, December 
3, 1850. Concededly this patent is an anticipation if it 
describes a rake head, which is an equivalent for Holden's, 
as one of the elements of the combination. 
The Sabin patent shows a horse rake in which the rake teeth 
are mounted separately upon a continuously revolving axle by 
eye bearing. The eye bearings are slipped upon the axle, and 
are so formed as to abut against each other. The teeth can 
oscillate independently of each other upon the axle, but in 
the tilting operation more simultaneously by means of a 
transverse bar, or yoke, which bears upon one end of the 
teeth. In the tilting operation, the center of the axle is the 
center of oscillation, and the yoke unites all the teeth so that 
they oscillate as a unit upon the axle. If this device does 
not present a rake head in the strict definition of the term, it 
does in substance. The head of a rake is that part which 
holds the teeth together for unitary action. The Sabin de- 
vice does the same work in the same way as Holden's, and 
the devices in one are but the equivalent for those in the 
other. It contains a set of teeth which oscillate as a unit 
on a continuously revolving axle, so that the center of oscil- 
lation coincides with the oenter of rotation of the axle. 
That Holden made structural changes, and constructed a 
more efficient machine than Sabin's,— one which involves in- 
vention and which was not anticipated by Sabin's,— seems 
quite clear; but that he is not entitled to claim the broad 
invention which the re-issue was designed to seeure seems to 
me equally clear. 
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A Cargo of Two Hundred and Forty 
Tons of Coal, Donovan v 368 
Adae, German Savings Institution v. 106 
Adams v. Hyams. 417 
AUjany &amp; Rensselaer Iron &amp; Steel 
Co., McLaughlin v 447 
Albert Mason, The 768 
Aldridge, Parkes v 220 
Alida.The 47 
Allen V. Three Thousand One Hun- 
dred and Bighty-three Bushels of 
Potatoes 763 
Allin, lu re 753 
Alpena, The 280 
American Bell Telephone Co. v. j 
Spencer . .■ 509 j 
American Cent. Ins. Co., Baileyv 686 
American Saw Co. v. Emerson 806 
Ames, Glover v 351 
Andrews v. Cross 269 
Ann, The 923 
A. P. Cranmer.The 523 
Applegate, Dowell v 698 
Argentine Mining Co., Van Zandtv. 725 
Asa Eldridge, The 720 
Atwater Manuf'g Co. v. Beecher 
Manuf g Co 608 
Auditors of Town of Brooklyn, 
United States v 473 
Babcock, Judd v 605 
Badger State, The 526 
Bailey v. American Cent. Ins. Co. . . 686 
Balfour, Detrick v 468 
Barge JSIo. 6 48 
Bassett, Inre 266 
Baysen v. The Columbia 716 
Bear, In re 428, 429 
Beatty v. Hodges 610 
Beecher Manuf'g Co., Atwater 
Manuf'g Co. V 608 
Benton, Gaskill v 746 
Bertrand, Calkins v 755 
Bidwe]l, Cook V :... 452 
Blake, Wooster v 429 
V. 8— Fbp. 
Pag3 
Boaro, Erhardt v 692, 860 
Bolme, First Nat. Bank of New Or- 
leans V 115 
Boston, The 628 
Boston &amp; Lowell Railroad Corpora- 
tion, Nashua &amp; Lowell Raihoad 
Corporation v 458 
Boyd V. Clark 849 
Brasg, Fitoh v 588 
Brice, United States v 381 
Britton, Evansville Nat. Bank v 867 
Britton, Thornton v 308 
Brooks V. O'Hara 529 
Brown v. Hlcks 155 
Buerk v. Imhaeuser 457 
Cable V. Paine 788 
Cahill V. The Columbia 716 
California Artilicial Stone Paving 
Co. V. Molitor 821 
California Artiflcial Stone Paving 
Co. V. Perine 821 
Calkins v. Bertrand 755 
Campbell v. Campbell 460 
Canada Southern Ry. Co. v. Inter- 
national Bridge Co 190 
Caples, Coyne v 638 
Carnrick v. McKesson 807 
Cary v. City of Ottawa 199 
Cavender v. Cavender 641 
Cayuga Lake R. Co., Coe v 534 
Cent. R. of Iowa, Parmers' Loan &amp; 
Trust Co. V 60 
Chamberlain v. Marshall 398 
Cheeaman, Iron Silver Mining Co. v. 297 
Clicney, Liclitenauer v 876 
Chicago, M. &amp; St. P. Ry. Ce, Ross v. 544 
Chicago, M. &amp; St. P. Ry. Co., Sclio- 
lieki V 488 
City of Cincinnati, Watkins v 325 
City of Pond du Lac, Higgina v 289 
City of Pond du Lac, Smith v 289 
City of Ottawa, Cary v 199 
Claflin V. South Carolina R. Co..... 118 
Clark, Boydv 849 
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Holmes, Booth&amp;Haydens, Grifflthsv 154 
Hopper V. Town of Covington 777 
Houghton Copper Works, Farwell v 66 
Houghton, Ex parte 897 
Hovej, lams &amp; Co., First N^t. Bank 
of Marietta v 314 
Howe, Emerson v 327 
Hudson, The 167 
Hughes, Pussell v 384 
Humason, United States v 71 
Huntington v. Palmer 449 
Hyams, Adams v 417 
Imhaeuser, Buerk v 457 
International Bridge Co., Canada 
Southern By. Co. v 190 
lowa Homestead Co. v. Des Moines 
Navigation &amp; Railroad Co 97 
Iron Siiver Mining Co. v. Cheesman 297 
Irons, Waynesville Rat. Bank v 1 
Isaacs, United States v 79 
Jackson, Neill v 144 
Johnson Harvester Co., Ketohum 
Harvester Co. v 586 
Johnson, Hobart v 493 
Jones, Connecticut Mut. Life Ins. 
Co. Y 303 
J. 8. Neil, The 713 
.fiidd V. Babcock 605 
Judge of the Muhlenburg County 
Court, Meriwether v 737 
Judson V. Courier Co 422 
Julia Sherwood, The 366 
Kate Cann, The 719 
Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. , 
Sheldon v, 769 
Ketchum Harvester Co. v. Johnson 
Harvester Co 586 
Kidd, Cobb v 695 
King, Hobbsv 91 
Kirbyv. L. S. &amp;M. 8. R. Co 462 
Knickerbooker Life Ins. Co. of New 
York, Trefz V 177 
Labrot, Pepper v 29 
Lake Shore &amp; M. S. Ry. Co. v. N. Y., 
C. &amp; St. L. Ry. Co 858 
Lake Shore &amp; M. 8. R. Co., Kirby v. 462 
Larimer M. &amp; S. Co. , Frank G. &amp; S. 
M. Co.v 724 
Laura, The 612 
Lewis, Shainwald v 878 
Lichtenauer v. Cheney 876 
Lilieathal v. Washburn 707 
Liverpool, London &amp; Clobe Ins. Ce, 
Wheeler v 196 
Lizzie W. Virden, The 624 
Louisville &amp; Nashville R. Co., Phenix 
Ins. Co. V 142 
Lyons Nat. Bank, Town of Lyons v. 369 
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Maggie Moore, The 620 
Maguire v. Eames 761 
Mamie, The 367 
Marshall v. Town of Elgin 783 
Marshall v. Town of Plainview 783 
Marshall, Chamberlain v 398 
Martin &amp; Clark, Rica t 476 
Martindale v. Waas 854 
Mason, United States v 412 
Matthew v. Pennsylvania R. Co. . . . 45 
Mayor of New Orleans, United 
States V 113 
McBane v. Wilson 734 
McKcnna, Woolridge v 650 
McKusiion, Carnrick v 807 
McKloskey v. Du Bois 710 
McLaughlin v. Albany cfc Rensselaer 
Iron &amp; Steel Co 447 
Memphis, etc., R. Ce, Southern Ex- 
press Co. V 799 
Meriwether v. Judge of the Muhlen- 
burg County Court 737 
Miller &amp; Go., Steam-gauge &amp; Lan- 
tern Co. v 314 
Missouri Purnace Co. v. Cochran. .. 463 
Moifltt V. Rogers 147 
Moffltt, Cote V 152 
Molitor, California Artificial Stone 
Paving Co. V 821 
Moll, Sutro V 909 
Mosely, United States v 688 
Murray v. Overstoltz * . 110 
Na.shua &amp; Lowell Railroad Corpora- 
tion v. Boston &amp; Lowell Railroad 
Corporation 458 
Nat. Bank of Winterset v. Byre. ... 733 
Nat. Freight &amp; Lighterage Co. v. 
The Columbia 716 
Neill V. Jackson 144 
New American File Co. v. Nicholson 
File Co 816 
New York, C. &amp; St. L. Ry. Co., L. 8. 
&amp; M. S. Ry. Co. V 858 
Nicholson 'File Co., New American 
File Co. V 816 
Ninety Demijohns of Rum, United 
States V 48S 
Oder, The 172 
O'Hara, Brooks ▼ 529 
Orrall, Gregory v 287 
Overstoltz, Murray v 110 
Paine, Cablev 788 
Palmer v. Gatling Gun Co 513 
Palmer, Huntincton v 449 
Parkes v. Aldridge 220 
Payne, United States v 883 
Phenix Ins. Co. v. Louisville &amp; Nash- 
ville R. Co 142 
Phœnix Assurance Co., Perry v 643 
Phœnixlns. Co., Woodv 27&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Sprague, Staftord Nat. Bank v 377 
Stafiord Nat. Bank v. Sprague 377 
Steam-gauge &amp; Lantern Co. v. Miller 
&amp;Co 314 
Wire-Web Bed Co., Woven-Wire 
Mattress Co. v 87 
Woven-Wire Mattress Co. v. Wire- 
Web Bed Co 87 
CiBcuiT CouET, E. D. New Yobk. 
A. P. Cranmer.The 523 
Detweiler v. Voege 600 
Bames, Maguire v 761 
Kate Cann, The '. 719 
Lizzie W. Yirden, The 624 
Louisville&amp;NashvilleR. Co., Phenix 
Ins. Co. V 142 
Maguire v. Eames , 761 
Phenix Ins. Co. v. Louisville &amp; Nash- 
ville R. Co 142 
Voege, Detweiler v 600 
DiSTKICT CouET, B. D. NEW YoRK. 
A Cargo of Two Hundred and Forty 
Tons of Coal, Donovan v 368 
Allen V. Three Thousand One Hun- 
dred and Eighty-three Bushels of 
Potatoes 763 
Baysen v. The Columbia 716 
Cahill V. The Columbia 716 
Columbia, The, Baysen v 716 
Columbia, The, Cahill v 716 
Columbia, The, Nat. Freight &amp; 
Lighterage Co. v - 716 
Donovan v. A Cargo of Two Hundred 
and Forty Tons of Coal 368 
Harriman v. Rockaway Beach Pier 
Co 94 
Tulia Sherwood. The 366 
Nat. Preight &amp; Lighterage Co. v. 
The Columbia 716 
Oder, The 172 
Rockaway Beach Pier Co., Harri- 
man V 94 
Three Thousand One Hundred and 
Eighty-three Bushels of Potatoea, 
Allen V 763 
Vigilant, The 921 
Circuit Court, N. D. New York. 
Andrews v. Cross 269 
Cayuga Lake li. Co., Coe v 534 
Coe V. Cayuga Lake II. Co 534 
Collignon v. Hayes 912 
Cross, Andrews V 269 
Delaware, L. &amp; W . R. Co., Thomas v. 729 
Dodge V. Fearey 329 
Fearey, Dodge v 329 
Eayes, Collignon v 912 
Page 
Johnson Harvester Co., Ketehum 
Harvester Co. v 586 
Ketehum Harvester Co. v. Johnson 
Harvester Co 586 
Lyons Nat. Bank, Town of Lyons v. 369 
Randel, Wright v 591 
Rich V. Town of Seneca Falls 852 
Thomas v. The D., L. &amp; W. R. Co. . 729 
Town of Lyons v. Lyons Nat. Bank. 369 
Town of Seneca Falls, Rich v 852 
Wright V. Randel 591 
District Court, N. D. New York. 
Canada Southern Ry. Co. v. Inter- 
national Bridge Co 190 
International Bridge Co., Canada 
Southern Ry. Co. v 190 
Sears, The 365 
Circuit Court, S. D. New York. 
Albert Mason, The 768 
Beatty v. Hodges 610 
Blake, Wooster v 429 
Buerk v. Imhaeuser 457 
Carnrick v. McKesson 807 
Cobb V. Kidd 695 
Coburn v. Schroeder 519, 521 
Crandall v. Richardson 808 
Dayton, Hayes v 702 
De Florez v. Raynolds 434 
Du Bois, McKloskey v 710 
E. P. Gleason Manuf 'g Co., White v. 917 
Esselborn, In re 904 
Hayes v. Dayton 702 
Henry Stewart Manuf 'g Co., Singer 
Manuf'g Co. V 920 
Hobart v. Johnson 493 
Hodges, Beatty v 610 
Imhaeuser, Buerk v 457 
Johnson, Hobart v 493 
Kidd, Cobb v 695 
Kirbyv. L. S. &amp; M. S. R. Co 462 
Lake Shore &amp; M. 8. R. Co., Kirby v. 462 
Laura, The 612 
McKesson, Carnrick v 807 
McKloskey v. Du Bois 710 
Moll, Sutro V 909 
Platt V. Preston 182 
Preston, Platt v 182 
Raynolds, De Florez v 434 
Richardson, Crandall v 808 
Sandersou, Shirley v 905 
Schroeder, Coburn v 519, 521 
Shirley v. Sandorson 905 
Singer Manuf'g Co. v. Henry Btewart 
Manuf'g Co 920 
Sutro v. Moll 909 
White V. E. P. Gleason Manuf'g Co 917 
Willie, The 768 
Wooster v. Blake 429&lt;noinclude&gt;
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CASES REPORTED. 
Page 
District Coubt, 8. D. Plokida. 
Asa Eldridge, The 720 
CracuiT Cour-T E. D. Louisiana. 
Bohne, First Nat. Bank of New Or- 
leans V 115 
?irst Nat. Bank of New Orleans v. 
Bohne 115 
Lilienthal v, Washburn 707 
Mayor of New Orleans, United 
Btates V 112 
United States v. Mayor of New Or- 
leans 112 
Washburn, Lilienthal v 707 
SIXTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, D. Kbntucky. 
Judge of the Muhlenburg County 
Court, Meriwether v 737 
Labrot, Pepper v , 29 
Meriwether v. Judge of the Muhlen- 
burg County Court 737 
Pepper v. Labrot 29 
Circuit Court, E. D. Michigan. 
Boyd V. Clark 849 
Clark, Boyd v 849 
Mamie, The 367 
District Court, E. D. Michigan. 
United States v. Vinson 507 
Vinson, United States v 607 
CmcuiT Court, W. D. Michigan, N. D. 
Farwell v. Houghton Copper Works, 66 
Houghton Copper Works, Farwell v 66 
Circuit Court, N. D. Omo, W. D. 
Chamberlain v. Marshall 398 
Pussell V Gregg 384 
Fussell V. Hughes 384 
Gregg, Fussell v 384 
Hughes, Fussell v 384 
Marshall, Chamberlain v 398 
Circuit Court, S. D. Ohio. 
City of Cincinnati, Watkins v 325 
First Nat. Bank of Marietta v. Hovey, 
lams &amp; Co 314 
Page 
Hovey, lams &amp; Co., First Nat. Bank 
of Marietta v 314 
Irons, Waynesville Nat. Bank v. . . . 1 
Watkins v. City of Cincinnati 325 
Waynesville Nat. Bank v. Irons 1 
Circuit Court, S. D. Ohio, E. D. 
Perry v. Bharpe 15 
Sharpe, Perry v 16 
Circuit Court, S. D. Oiiio, W. D. 
Fisher, United States v 414 
Mason, United States v 412 
United States v. Fisher 414 
United States v. Mason 412 
Circuit Court, W. D. Tennessee. 
McKenna, Woolridge v 650 
Stone, United States v 232 
United States v. Stone 232 
Woolridge v. McKenna 650 
SEVENTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, N. D. Illinois. 
Auditors of Town of Brooklyn, 
United States v 473 
Bertrand, Calkins v 755 
Calkins v. Bertrand 755 
Cary v. City of Ottawa 199 
City of Ottawa, Cary v 199 
Conrad Seipp Brewing Co., Gott- 
f ried v 322 
Gottfried v. Conrad Seipp Brewing 
Co 322 
Pka-o-wah-ash-kum v. Borin 740 
President, etc., of Yale College v. 
Runkle 576 
liobinson v. Butter 828 
Bunkle, President, etc. , of Yale Col- 
lege V 576 
Borin, Pka-o-wah-ash-kum v 740 
Sutter, Robinson v 828 
United States v. Auditors of Town 
of Brooklyn 473 
District Court, N. D. Illinois. 
Alpena, The. 280 
Badger State, The 526 
Circuit Court, D. Indiana. 
Britton, Evansville Nat. Bank v. . . . 867 
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Herman, Roesner v 782 
Hopper V. Town of Covington 777 
Roesner v. Herman 782 
Town of Covington, Hopper v. 777 
District Court, D. Indiana. 
Dowdell, United States v 881 
United States v. Dowdell 881 
Circuit Court, B. D. Wisconsin. 
City of Fond du Lac, Higgina v 289 
City of Fond du Lac, Smith v 289 
Higgins V. City of Fond du Lac 289 
Smith V. City of Fond du Lac 289 
Swinburne, Winter v 49 
Winter v. Swinburne 49 
District Court, E. D. Wisconsin. 
Two Thousand One Hundred and 
Seventeen Bushels of Malt, United 
States V 224 
United States V. Two Thousand One 
Hundred and Seventeen Bushels 
ofMalt 224 
Circuit Court, W. D. WiscoNsm. 
Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. , 
Sheldonv, 769 
Sheldon v. Keokuk Northern Line 
Packet Co 769 
EIGHTH CIECDIT. 
Circuit Court, E. D. Arkansas. 
Memphis, etc., H. Co., Southern Ex- 
press Co. V 799 
Southern Express Co. v. Memphis, 
etc., R. Co 799 
District Court, W. D. Arkansas. 
Payne, United States v 883 
United States v. Payne 883 
Cmcurr Court, D. Colorado. 
Argentine Mining Co. , Van Zandt v. 725 
Boaro, Erhardt v 692 
Cheesman, Iron Silver Mining Co. v. 297 
Crossman v. Pendery • 693 
Page 
Equator Mining &amp; Bmelting Co., 
Harria v 863 
Erhardt v. Boaro 692 
Frank G. &amp; S. M. Co. v. Larimer 
M.&amp;8. Co 724 
Harris v. Equator Mining &amp; Smelt- 
ing Co 863 
Iron Silver Mining Co. v. Cheesman 297 
Larimer M. &amp; S. Co., Frank G. &amp; 8. 
M. Co.v 724 
Pendery, Crossman v 693 
Keynolds, Smith v 696 
Smith V. Reynolds 696 
Van Zandt v. The Argentine Mining 
Co 725 
District Court, D. Colorado. 
Boaro, Erhardt v 860 
Erhardt v. Boaro 860 
Mosely, United States v 688 
United States v. Mosely 688 
Circuit Court, D. lowA. 
American Cent. Ins. Co., Bailey v.... 686 
Bailey v. American Cent. Ins. Co. . . 686 
Brooks V. O'Hara 529 
Cent. R. of Iowa, Farmers' Loan &amp; 
Tru.st Co. V 60 
Davis v: Stewart 803 
Eyre, Nat. Bank of Winterset v. . . . 733 
Farmers' Loan &amp; Trust Co. v. Cent. 
R.of Iowa 60 
Nat. Bank of Winterset v. Eyre. ... 733 
O'Hara, Brooks V 629 
Stewart, Davis v 803 
Circuit Court, D. lowA, C. D, 
Cable V. Paine 788 
Paine, Cable v 788 
Circuit Court, S. D. Iowa. 
Des Moines Navigation &amp; Railroad 
Co. , Iowa Homestead Co. v 97 
lowa Homestead Co. v. Des Moines 
Navigation &amp; Railroad Co 97 
Circuit Court, D. Mxnnbsota. 
Cbeney, Lichtenauer v 876 
Chicago, M. &amp; St. P. Ry. Co., Ross v. 544 
Dows &amp; Co., Greenleaf v 550 
Greenleaf V. Dows &amp; Co 550 
Lichtenauer v. Chenev 876 
Marshall v. Town of Elgin 783 
Marshall v. Town of Plalnview 783 
Martindale v. Waas 854&lt;noinclude&gt;
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(the direetor) was a rnejnber of the board, participating at tUe Urne in dis- 
countip,g of bilis and notes as one of the directors of the bank.&quot; Page 463. 
The decision in Myers v. Ross, 3 Head, (Tenu.) 59, proceeded on that ground. 
See page 62. In Alabama the courts have not been willing to go as far, and 
in a case similar to Bank of U. 8. v. Davis, supra, — Terrill v. Branch Bank 
at Mobile, 12 Ala. CS. S.) 502, — held that the bauk was entitled to recover. But 
it seems that the corporation has generally been held chargeable with notice 
when a direetor, who had knowledge of defects, aoted for the corporation in 
the transaction; in each case though, where the corporation has been held 
responsible for the knowledge Of the direetor, this element has been present. 
National Seaarlty Bank v, Cushman, 122 Mass. 490; Bank of New Milford 
V. Town of New Milford, 36 Conn. 93; 1 Hall, (K T.) 480; Clei-M Savings 
Bank v. Thomas, 2 Mo. App. 367 ; Smith v. South Royalton Bank, 32 Vt. 341. 
The mere fact that one who has knowledge of certain facts is a direetor of 
the corporation, if he does not communicate it to the board of directors or 
other proper olHcers, or does not act in the transaction, will not charge the 
corporation with notice of such facts. Farrell Foundry Co. v. Dart, 26 Conn. 
376; eeneral Ins. Co. v. U. 8. Ins. Co. 10 Md. 517; U. S. Ins. Co. v. Shriver, 
3 Md. Ch. Dec. 381 ; Fulton Bank v. N. Y. &amp; Sharon Canal Co. 4 Paige, Ch. 
127; Powles v. Page, 3 C. B. 16, 10 Jur. 526; Farmers&quot;, etc., Bank v. Payne, 
25 Conn, 444; National Bank v. Norton, 1 Hill, 572; 2 Hill, 451; Wade on 
Notice, § 683. 
And if the direetor or other officer of the corporation did not act for it in 
the transaction, but was an adversary to ifc, and especially if perpetrating a 
fraud upon it, the corporation will not be bound by knowledge which he 
possessed. Commercial Bank v. Cunningham, 24 Pick. (Mass.) 270 ; Wash- 
ington Bank v. Lerms^ 22 Pick. (Mass.) 24; City Bank of N. T. v. Barnard, 
1 Hall, (N. Y.) 70; Stratton v. Allen, 1 C. E. Green, (N. J. Eq.) 229; Steverir 
son V. Bay City, 26 Mich. 44; Thompson v. Cartioright, 33 Beavan, 189. 
Thus, where the president or other officer of the corporation sold real estate 
to it, any knowledge of equities or defects which he may have had, unless he 
communicated such knowledge to the corporation, will not bind it. Wiw- 
chester v. Baltimore, etc., R. Co. 4 Md. 231 ; Wickersham v. Chicago Zinc. Co. 
18 Kan. 481; Barnes v. Trenton Gas-Light Co. 27 N. J. Eq. 33; La Farge, 
etc., Ins. Co. v. Bell, 22 Barb. 54. In Hoffman, etc., Co. v. Cumberland, etc., 
Co. 16 Md. 456, the corporation was held affected with noticel, but its forma- 
tion, acquiring of title, and the circumstances impairing its title, all arose ont 
of one entire plan. 
A distinction has been attempted to be made between a mere direetor and 
&quot;the president, eashier, or other executive officer&quot; of the corporation. It is 
submitted that when the information cornes to a direetor or other officer other- 
wise than as an officer of the company, {i. e., casually or by reason of his con- 
nection with other matters,) the question of the liability of the corporation 
therefor is to be determined by the same rules, whether the person be merely 
a direetor or whether he be an executive officer. If Mr. Wade, in Ma work on 
Notice, (§ 675,) intends to maintain (as it seems he does) that there is a differ- 
ence, his citations do not sustain the proposition. In the case of Bank of 
New Milford v. Tuum of New Milford, 36 Conn. 93, the officer not only&lt;noinclude&gt;
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summoned. The petition charges him jointly with his co-defendant, 
and nothing appears upon the pleadings inconsistent with such a 
claim. 
It is not relevant to say that he was not a joint debtor with Pierce 
for the priee of the goods, on the contract of sale ; for the action is 
not brought to recover on that contract. It is an action for damages 
on account of an alleged deceit, the wrong complained of being laid 
as committed by the defendants jointly. This objection is over- 
ruled. 
(2) The next proceeds upon the same misconception. It is that the 
order of attachment was improperly issued, without the allowance of 
a judge, as required by section 5565 of the Revised Statutes, the action 
having been brought before the claim was due. But the claim sued 
on was not for the price of the goods upon the contract of sale, but 
for damages occasioned by the alleged deceit. 
(3) It is further urged, as a fatal objection to the order of attach- 
ment, that a levy under it cannot be made upon goods already in the 
hands of the ofScer by virtue of a levy of an execution. This applies 
only in Pieree's case, and does not go to the regularity and validity of 
the order of attachment, but only to that of its service by levy upon 
the goods previously taken in execution by the sheriff. 
But there does not appear to be any reason in the nature of the 
case, nor any statutory provision, which prevents the sheriff from 
levying an order of attachment, properly directed to him, upon goods 
already in his hands by virtue of a levy under a prior execution. 
There is no more difficulty in this case than in the levy of two or more 
executions of different dates, or of several successive orders of attach- 
ment, against the same debtor upon the same property. The case of 
Lake V. Butler, 19 Ohio St. 587, referred to in argument, was the case 
of an attempted levy by one ofEcer of an order of attachment upon 
property in the custody of another officer under other process, where 
it was held that the levy of the attachnaent could only be made by reg- 
ular garnishment. 
(4) The motion is further founded on the ground that the charge 
of misrepresentation and deceit is untrue. A large amount of testi- 
mony upon the merits, in the shape of affidavits, pro and con, bas 
been taken, To dismiss the attachment on this ground involves a 
decision based upon ex parte testimony of the very matter which 
must ultimately be passed upon by a jury. If the plaintiffs shall 
eventually succeed in obtaining a favorable verdict, that will deter- 
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to the effeet that iron pipe, being of light weight in proportion to 
its bulk, it is necessary to load part of the cargo on deck, in order 
to give the vessel her full cargo, and that there wasa general custom 
Bo to load. 
Henry G. Ward, for appellant. 
Henry Flanders, for appellee. 
McKennan, g. J. The learned judge of the district court, who 
decided this cause, so clearly and accurately stated the law which 
governs it, as I think it ought to be held to exist, that I do not pro- 
pose to amplify or repeat his statement. I adopt it fully. As a 
general rule the jettison of a deck cargo would not entitle its owners 
to contribution in general average from the cargo stowed below deck. 
But ■where, in pursuance of a general custom of the trade to which 
the special kind of cargo belongs, the vessels engaged in its trans- 
portation are loaded partly on deck and partly under deck, and the 
deck cargo is necessarily sacrificed for the safety of the rest, the 
general cargo may be subjected to contribution to pay the loss. 
In the court below the case turned upon the existence of such a 
custom, and was properly decided upon the insufficiency of the proof 
of it. Since the* case came into this court further evidence has been 
taken, which shows it to be the custom, where a full cargo of gas 
pipe is shipped, that part of it is stowed above and part below deck. 
This is the uniform usage among manufacturers of gas pipe east of 
the Alleghanies, who employ water transportation, and for the reason 
that, on account of the light weight of the article compared with its 
bulk, the full capacity of the vessel cannot be made available without 
such distribution of the cargo. It is coeval with the manufacture 
and transportion of gas pipe on a large scale, and it is, therefore, 
shown to have been of such general prevalence and long continuance 
as to entitle it to be recognized as a general custom of the trade. 
There must, then, be a decree for the libellant against the respond- 
ent for its contributory portion of the loss caused by the jettison. 
This is admitted to be $77.50, and for this sum, with interest from 
the date of filing the libel, and costs in this court alone, decree will 
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«. SAME-f^KlGHT OF LiCBITSOll TO BAISH QUBiBTIOir O» POWBB OF LlOBNBBB TO 
Opebate Otheb KoAps. 
-, One who grants to a railroad cOmpany a license to use a patented invention 
on raads &quot; that may hereafter be owned or operated by said company,&quot; cannot 
subsequently, upon a bill to restrain the company f rom the use of the inven- 
tion, call in question the legal right of the company to operate other roads. 
Hearing on Bill and Plea. 
- Tihe bill was filed to restrain the use of the invention embraced in 
letters patent No. 22,439, issued to complainant for an improvement 
in locomotive axle bearings. The bill admitted the purchase by 
defendaule, in 1861, of a license to use siaid invention, but alleged 
that defendants had used it in locomotives acquired since the date of 
the license, and under chartered rights and privileges acquired since 
that date as lessee of several railroads not contemplated or embraced 
in said license. Defendants filed a plea, setting up the license re- 
fei^red to, the material part .of whjch was as follbws: 
. VThePennsylvaniaPailroadComp^^jy.is * * * hereby authorized and 
licensed to make and use all of said improvements and inventions se patented 
as aforesaid, for .^nd durihg tiie several tenus of the patents, and any exten- 
sion of either 6i the saB&amp;e, in, tipon, aM about the locoinotive engines used by 
the said The Peftnsylvania Birilroad Company, on the Pennsylvania Eailroad, 
or any road or roads now owcpdi or that may hereafter be owned or operated 
by the^ said company.&quot; ,j 
Complainant clainfied that the license erobraced only locomotives 
in use at it^ date, and, furti|er, that defendants had no legal right to 
operate, th^pther roads on which it was using the invention. 
^ WUliam W.H^bbel^iot oom^l&amp;inaut, 
Andrew McCallum and David W. Sellera, for respondents. 
Butler, D. J. The license pleaded covers the use complained of. 
The terms : &quot;Upon and about the locomotive engines used by the 
said The Pennsylvania Eailroad Company, on the Pennsylvania 
Eailroad, or any road or roads now owned, or that may hereafter 
be owned or op|r^ted .by said company,&quot; are of the broadest signifi- 
cation, and very piainly embrace, not only locomotive engines in use 
at the date of the license, upon roads then owned or operated by the 
company, but also such other engines as it may thereafter use, and 
other roads which it may thereafter operate. The contracted inter- 
pretation claimed by the plaintiff, is not justified byany rule of con- 
struction,., or any special' eircUrdstanees appearing in the case;^-Nor 
can the plaintiff call in question, the defeudant's right to operate the 
roads on which the engines are employed. ' The license was intended 
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law which expressly gives to circuit courts concurrent Junsdiction 
with the district courts of all suits at law or in equity brought by an 
assignee in bankruptey against any person claiming an adverse in- 
terest, or by such person against such assignee touching any prop- 
erty or right of property of the bankrupt transferable to or vested in 
the assignee, and it was by virtue of this provision of the law that 
the jurisdiction was maintained. 
U. S. V. Stiner, 8 Blatchf. 544, is also cited. This was a creditor's 
bill filed in the circuit court and founded on a judgment recovered by 
the United States in the district court, and the question was whether 
the circuit court had jurisdiction of the case. It was held without 
hesitation, by Judge Blatchford, that jurisdiction was plainly con- 
ferred by the eleventh section of the act of September 24, 1789, (1 
St. at Large, 78,) which gave to the circuit courts original cogni- 
zance of all suits of a civil nature at law or in equity where the mat- 
ter in dispute exceeded, exclusive of oosts, $500, and in which the 
United States were plaintiffs. Nothing oould be clearer 'than that, 
under this express statutory authority, a creditor's bill oould be pros* 
ecutedby the United States in the circuit court to enforoe payui«nt 
of the judgment recovered in the district court. 
Since direct adjudication of the precise question involved is Want- 
ing, we aire lef t to deal with it in the light of such general principles 
as may be applicable. And, j^rs*, it may be remarked that the cir- 
cuit court has no general supervisory jurisdiction over the proceed- 
ings of the district court in admiralfcy. Its exercise of any super- 
visory control whatever is limited to the case of an appeal or other 
equivalent and direct mode of procedure where in a particular oontro- 
versy it is made the subject of review. In other words, a general juris- 
diction of the sort invoked here cannot be borrowed by the circuit 
court from the inf erior court on the ground that the original proceed- 
ing in the latter court was one in admiralty. The final judgment in 
the district court was a judgment in personam, and became a simple 
money demand, enforceable as such by suitable proceedings in a court 
having authority to entertain such methods of procedure as the case 
might require. The circuit and district courts of the United States 
are distinct and separate courts, each having, so to speak, its own 
sphere of jurisdiction. In some classes of cases their jurisdiction is 
by statuts made concurrent ; otherwise, it is as distinct as is the sub- 
ject-matter of the controversies with which they may have to deal. 
As we have seen from the authorities, the theory of ancillary bills, 
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in writing from the circuit judge, (Honorable John P. Dillon,) whioh, 
among other things, directed as follows : 
&quot; It is not expected that you will serve as superintendant. You will con- 
tinue the i»resent superintendent, or employ anotlier, as yotir judgment dic- 
tates, on the best terms that will secure a good man.&quot; 
The petitioner served as receiver during a period of two years and 
three and one-half months. From January 1, 1876, until May 1, 
1877, he had no general superintendent,: and performed, during that 
period of 15 months, the duties of a general superintendent in addi- 
tion to those of the receivership. By petitioner's direction the du- 
ties of the offices of auditor and cashier were united in one person, 
whereby a saving to the company of about $100 par month waa 
effected. The petitioner, upon entering upon his duties, reduced the 
salaries of all officers and employes under him 10 per cent. Th© 
company had an attorney employed at $60 per month salary and $20 
per day additional when actually employed in court. The petitioner 
attended in person to some of the legal business of the company, 
being engaged in this way for aibout 30 days. In the disburse- 
ment of the revenues of the road during his administration, the pe- 
titioner applied to the payment of debts contracted by his predeces- 
sor during his receivership the sum of $280,000. After petitioner's 
appointment the court and parties interested in the main suit re- 
qiiired frequent statements and reports of the accounta in the gen- 
erai office of the road, which called for a greater amount of time and 
labor on the part of petitioner than would be required ordinarily at 
the hands of a receiver. During petitioner's service his general 
health and eye-sight became much impaired, and it appears that 
in the discharge of his duties the petitioner was frequently called 
to travel on the trains and to break his rest at night. 
The master finds the foregoing facts, and also reports that peti- 
tioner had effected a saving in the expenses, under various heads, in 
his operation of the road, compared with the similar expenses of his 
predecessor, of $85,000 in about 18 months. On the part of com- 
plainant the master finds that there is still a large balance unset- 
tled on the final account of petitioner as receiver. This balance con- 
sists of three items : 
(1) An item of $4,000 expended by the receiver to purchase, for the beneflt 
of the company, a half interest in an uncompleted railroad, known as th© 
&quot;Farmers' Union Railroad,&quot; and this without application to, or order or ap- 
proval of, this court. (2) An item of $1,177.90, being a note of the &quot; Iowa 
Terra-Cotta and Fire-Clay Company,&quot; received in payment of freights due the 
company as cash, and credited to the receiver in his accounts as sueh. This&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/80</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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feferrrjiig to the items to which we have just referred. We notice 
them because they were made the subject of an unauthorized inves- 
tigation before the master, and of a report prepared but not filed by 
him, and have been discussed ,by counsel on the hearing with the 
understanding that the court should consider them, in so far as they 
a.re found proper to be considered, in determining the • question of 
the receiver's compensation. It woul4 be improper for us to discuss 
the question whether these items, and others objeoted to, should be 
alloved to the receiver in his final acoounts. AU questions of that 
character must be reserved until the hearing upon the master's 
report upon that subject. What we now decide is that there is no 
showing of such fraudulent conduot on the part of the receiver as 
should deprive him of compensation for services. 
, The order is that petitioner be allowed for extraordinary services 
the sum of $4,890, to be credited.to him on final settlement. 
Nelson, D. J. I have examined carefully the facts upon whioh 
the application for additional compensation is claimed, and fully 
eoncur in the foregoing opinion of the Circuit Judge — MoGbabi. 
Pabwelij V. Thb Hooghtoh Gofp2b Works and othera. 
{Vireuit Otmrt, W. D. Miehigm, N. D. July 12, 1881.) 
L BOABD OF DiKECTOHS ImpKOPEBLY CoNTENED— ACTION TaKKN BT, UlTADTHO- 
RIZB». 
Wtiere a by-law ol a corporation required its secretary to give due notice 
of meetings of the board of directors, Tiela, that important action taken at a 
meEtiilg from whioh a director, •whom the secretary made no attempt to notify 
that such a lueeting was to be held, was absent, is unauthorized. 
2. BONA FroB PURCHABBB WlTHOUT NoTIOE— Who 18 NoT. 
The purchaser, a.former shareholder, .was pre»ent at the meeting of the board 
at which the sale was made, and knew that one of the directors Tiras away. He 
-was bound to knbw that absent directors most be notiaed of board meetings/ 
Held, that be vas not a bona Jide purchaser without notice. 
3. Btock Bo'ciaHT bt thb Corporation— Whbn EntitIiKd to. Votb. 
It seezns that stock bought by the corporation for non-payment of assess- 
ments is entitled to vote only -when all the stock is represented at the meeting, 
and all consent to have the treasurercast the vote. 
4. NOMIKAL SUBSOBIPTIONS. 
Stock th\i8 subsoribed for ia not to be counted in taking a stock vote. 
6. EVIDEKCE. 
The records of a corporation are prima faell evidence against stockholdets ol 
its acts reoorded therein. 
Section 2847 of the Compiled Laws of Michigan, in so far as it providoi for 
the due flling of proxies, is directory omy.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/88</title>
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under the wrong section. When, he made his certificate it was not 
known that the execution of the bonds would be denied; neither was 
the secretary authorized to make a certificate under any other section 
than the one he did. Besides, the mistake or &quot;accident&quot; of the secre- 
tary, if any, is the mistake or accident of the plaintifif, whose officer and 
agent he is. The copies of the bonds certified by the secretary were 
furnished to the district attorney, together with a transcript of the 
treasury books, accounts of the agent, and affidavits relating to them, 
to enable him to bring the proper action thereon; and when an issue 
of fact, if any, was made therein, it then became his duty to procure 
the proper evidence for the trial thereof. So, when the defendant 
denied the execution of the bonds, the burden of proof being oast 
upon the plaintiff, it was the duty of the district attorney to procure 
the proper evidence of such execution — a copy of the bonds, certified 
by the register of the treasury under section 886 — before going to 
trial. 
No excuse is given or offered for this negligence. The probability 
is that it ocGurred trom inadvertence in not observing or bearing in 
mind the provision in the statute or the deniai in the answer, or both. 
But in either case the omission is the negligence of the plaintiff, for 
which a new trial ought not to be granted ; at least, not unle^s what 
is sometimes called &quot;the justice of the case&quot; strongly demands it, and 
then only upon terms compensatory to the adverse party. But upon 
a careful examination of the treasury transcripts, and the circum- 
stances of the case as shown in the pleadings, I do not think the ends 
of justice demand a new trial in this case, but the contrary. In this 
view of the matter the execution of the bonds by Humason may be 
admitted. The deniai by the defendant is only a constructive one ai 
best — a deniai of &quot;knowledge or information sufficient to form a be- 
lief &quot; upon the question — and it may be taken for granted that upon 
a new trial the plaintiff would be able to establish that fact beyond a 
doubt. 
But the default of the principal, if any, and his death, occurred 
nearly 14 years before this action was brought against his sureties, and 
16 years before it was brought to trial. Owing to the great lapse of 
time and the death of the principal it is difuicult if not impossible to 
ascertain and make legal proof of facts affecting their liability, that 
very probably exist, and might have been shown with sufficient cer- 
tainty, if this action had been brought within a reasonable time. 
And although the maxim, nullum tempus occurrit regi, applies to the 
United States as well as the crown, and therefore its right to bring&lt;noinclude&gt;
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on file, and therefore there ought not to have been a verdict for the 
defendant. But it is admitted that there was a verbal stipulation 
bet'ween the counsel for the plaintif and defendant to the effect that 
this case should abide the resuit of the case against Humason ; and 
this stipulation was admitted by the district attorney in open court 
when the order was made, although he protested that he ought not 
to be bound by it, as it would not have been made if he had thought 
the Humason Case would have gone off on a technical failure of 
proof of the execution of the bonds, as it did. 
But the court ruled that if the stipulation was admitted, the case 
must follow the disposition of the Humason one, and thereupon the 
order tvas made without other or further objection; but it then ap- 
pearing that the defendant had failed to answer, and it being sug- 
gested by the court that the record would show error in the proceeding 
if there was a verdict for the defendant without an answer contro- 
verting the material allegations of the complaint, an order was made, 
without objection, giving the defendant leave to file such an answer, 
m of some day between the filing of the complaint and the trial, 
which he did, or attempted to do^ as of February 16th. 
Objection is, taken to this proceeding as being irregular, but in 
what the irregularity consista is not apparent. The foundation of it 
was the stipulation of the parties, and when that was admitted and 
its binding effect considered, what followed wa? a mere matter of 
form, and even had the consent of the parties at the time. 
It might have been as well to have waited until final judgment had 
been given in the Humason Case, and if that was in favor of the de- 
fendant, then to have moved to dismiss this one. But, in some form, 
the defendant was entitled under that stipulation to have bis case 
share the fate of the one against Humason. 
But admitting the regularity of the proceedings thus far, counsel 
for the plaintiff insists that the verdict ought to be set aside in this 
case because the answer of the defendant does not controvert or deny 
the execution of the bonds, but in eiiect admits it. 
The answer of Savage contains a deniai of the execution of the bonds 
&quot;except as hereinafter stated,&quot; and then &quot;admits that at the dates 
mentioned he did, along with his co-obligors mentioned, make a bond 
to the plaintiff,&quot; but does not &quot;remember&quot; the penalty or condition 
thereof. 
It may be admitted that this is not a good deniai of the execution 
or condition of the bond, but it is a question whether it is not suffi- 
cient to prevent judgment for want of an answer. If the plaintiff&lt;noinclude&gt;
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power of attomey shall be revoked until after a like power has been given 
to some competent person, and a copy thereof flled as aforesaid.&quot; 
In March, 1878, the plaintiff, who was then the administratrix 
upon Lewis EUis' estais, commenced suit against the defendant in 
the circuit court of the city of Predericksburg upon said policy. 
Service of said suit was made upon said Edrington alone. No ap- 
pearance was made by the defendant. Damages were assessed by a 
jury against the defendant in the sum of $2,200, and interest from, 
October 6, 1877. No other service was made. Edrington had no 
authority from the defendant to accept service, and was not its attor- 
ney or agent, unless made so by the act of 1877. 
It is admitted that the policy became eitinguished by the non-pay- 
ment of premiums in 1861, and that no action would lie for the 
amount insured thereon, (Ins. Co. y. Statham, 93 U. S. 24;) and 
that the agenoy of Little was, under the circumstances heretofore 
stated, terminated by the breaking out of the war. Ins. Co. v. Davis, 
95 U. S. 425. But it is insisted that the defendant is bound by the 
judgment of the Virginia court. The plaintiff 's argument is that, 
by virtue of the act of 1856, the defendant entered into a contract 
with the state of Virginia, and with each of the policy-holders, to 
l^eep an agent in the state to accept process; that although this con- 
tract was suspended during the war, it revived thereafter, notwith- 
standing the defendant had ceased to do business within the state, 
and had abandoned the idea of re-engaging in business, beoause 
there was or might be a liability upon it for the equitable value of 
policies whioh had become forfeited by the war, with interest, and 
that the defendant failing to appoint an agent, the state of Virginia 
had the right to direct how service of process should be made, and 
that such service so made would be yalid. 
' Assuming that each proposition is true, but not admitting the truth 
of either as stated, it remains to be shown that Virginia has directed 
how process should be seryed within the state upon a foreign corpo- 
ration whioh had, long before the date of the supposed direction, ceased 
.±0 do business therein. 
It is said that the state gave such direction by the act of 1877. It 
seems tome plain that the actof 1877 is prospective, and relates only 
to the companies which were, at the time of the passage of the act, 
engaged in the business of making or renewing contraots of Insurance 
within the state, or should thereafter engage in such business. &quot;Stat- 
utes are to be considered prospective, unless the language is ex- 
pressly to the contrary, or there is a necessary implication to that&lt;noinclude&gt;
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was enlisted, and was under 21 years when the trial took place. The 
district judge decided that the eolistment of a minor who was old 
enough to understand the contract, and who waa in good faith ac- 
cepted as being of full age, was yoidable only, and not void ; and that 
if he had Committed the military offence of desertion, and was under 
arrest for that crime, and the court-martial had been ordered to try 
him, he ought not to be discharged on habeas corpus. This view of the 
rights of the parties is sustained by the authorities cited. See Com. v. 
GamUe, 11 S. &amp; E. 93; Ex parte Anderson, 16 Iowa, 595; MoCono- 
logue's Case, 107 Mass. 154, 170, per Gray, J. ; Re Dee, 25 Law Eep. 
538; Re Beswick, 25 How. Pr. 149. It is true that Com. v. Gamble, 
11 S. &amp; E. 93, is doubted in a later case in the same court, (Com. v. 
Fox, 7 Pa. St. 336,) but in this case the judges found that the statute 
made such an enlistment absolutely illegal, and for that reason held 
it to be void. I have not l'ound a corresponding statute applicable to 
this case. It is illegalto enlist a marine between 18 and 21 years old, 
wi&gt;,hout the consent of his parent or guardian, if any he have, and if 
an ofScer does this knowingly, he is liable to punishment; but this 
minor had neither parent nor guardian. His contract was voidable at 
common law ; but I do not see how I can hold it to be void. McNtdty's 
Case, 2 Low. 270. If not, it seems to follow that if he commits a mil- 
itary offence, and is actually arreated and in course of trial before 
the contract is duly avoided, he may be tried and punished. I do not 
mean to be understood as deciding that it would be desertion in a 
minor to leave the service openly after demanding his release, nor 
that he could be tried and punished after a court had released him. 
It appeared upon the cross-examination of a witness that Wall 
was actually tried and sentenced while in the constructive custody of 
the district court, the ofBcer who had him in charge not thinking it 
worth while to inf orm the court that the proceedings in the district court 
were pending. This conduct was highly reprehensible. Whether the 
sentence is a valid one, under these circumstances, is a question not 
brought here by the appeal, whioh is merely for a review of the decis- 
ion by the district court. If Wall or his friends should be so advised, 
they may probably be able to try this question upon new and inde- 
pendent proceedings. Appeal dismissed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The re-issue says : 
&quot; My invention consists in the eombination of the side-bars and end-bars, 
with the end-bars elevated above the side-bars in such a manner that the 
elastie fabric, stretched f rom end-bar to end-bar, ean extend the eutire width 
of the frame over the side-bars, and an elastie fabric attached to the end-bars 
only of the frame; and it also consists in the eombination of the side-bars and 
end-bars of the frame, connected together by standards or corner-irons, B. By 
this arrangement the fabric is securely held.&quot; 
There are four claims in the re-issue, the first and second being as 
follo-vs : 
&quot;(1) The eombination of the side-bars and end-bars and elastie coiled-wire 
fabric, D, attached only to the end-bars, with the end-bars of the fiume ele- 
vated above the side-bars, so that the fabric will be suspended above the side- 
bars from end to end of the frame. (2) The eombination in a removable bed- 
bottom or bedstead frame of the side-bars, A, standards or comer-piec6s, B, 
end-bars, C, and the elastie fabric, D, combined and arra;nged substantially as 
and &quot;for the purposes specifled.&quot; 
The third and fourth claims are substantially identieal with the 
two claims of the original patent. It was competent for the patentee 
to restate the invention in a re-issue, so as to point out and claim a 
characteristie feature which was &quot;not clearly stated in the original, 
viz., the eombination of side-bars and inclined end-bars, and elastie 
fabric attached only to the end-bars, the end-bars being elevated 
above the side-bars, so that the fabric will be stretched from end- 
bar to end-bar above the side-bars. But an important question is 
whether it was permissible in the re-issue to abandon the inclined 
feature of the end-bars. The plaintiff insists that although the 
original imperfect patent has been enlarged in the re-issue, the lat- 
ter is not properly open to criticism, because it is the right of the 
pa'antee, if through palpable mistake or ignorance of the principles 
of his invention the patent has been cramped within too narrow 
bounds, to have such mistake corrected, and to have the real princi- 
ples and character of the invention stated in the re-issue. 
The defendant insists that upon a comparison of the two patents, 
eitherwith orwithout a knowledge of the state of the art, the change 
manifestly introduces new matter; for the inclined end-bar is no 
longer one of the two featureB of the invention, but any end- bar is 
included which is sufSciently elevated above the side-bars to meet 
the liberal requirements of the first claim. The defendant also says 
that the validity of the re-issue is not of especial importance, because, 
if valid, the end-bars must, in view of the state of the art, necessarily&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/120</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Geeman Savings Institution v. Adab and others. 
{Circuit Court, E. D. Missouri. March 29, 1880.) 
1. Efpbct of Check as Bbtwekn IDbawbr and Payee— Equitable Assignment. 
A check or draf t drawn upon a fund more than sufflcient to pay it, operates 
as an equitable assignment of the amount therein specifled, aa betweea the 
drawer and payee. 
2. Pbinoipal Mat Kkcovbk His Pbopbrtt fkom Agent. 
Aprinclpal mayfollowliis property into the handsof his agent, or his agent's 
assignee, and recover it, or its proceeds. 
3. Samb — Assignee. 
An assignes for genera] creditors can assert no daim not good in the hands 
of his assignor. 
4. Check — Equitahm! Assiqnment— Assignee — Bili. of Intbrpleadee. 
A. collected $1,072 for B., and sent B. a check therefor on C, a bank, on the 
sixteenth day of the month, and charged himself with said amount in his ac- 
count with C. On that day and on the 18th following, A. had on deposit with C. 
more than sufflcient money to meet the check. On the ISth, A. made an assign- 
ment, for the beneflt of his creditors, to E- and F., Who immediately accepted 
the trust. On the 19th, C. received notice of the assignment. On the same day 
B. received the «check and presented it to C. after ithad received said notice. 
Payment was refused. Thereafter C, by bill of imterpleader, asked the de- 
cision of the court as to the disposition of the fund. E. and P. claimed it all. 
B. claimed amount called for by his check. Hdd, that as between A. and B. the 
check operated as an equitable assignment, and that the amount thereof should 
flrst be paid to B. out of the fund, and the balance, after payment of cpsts, 
should go to the assignees. 
5. Same. 
Hdd, also, that if the court had not considered the check an equitable assign- 
ment of the fund, it would have made the same decree on the ground that A. 
held the fund for B. as the proceeds of a collection made as B.'s agent. 
In Equity. Bill of interpleader. 
The facts of the 'Case are sufficiently stated in the opinion, except 
that the character of the instrument 'roferred to therein as a &quot;bill of 
exchange, (or check,)&quot; is left Bomewhat indefinite. Said instrument 
is in words and figures as f ollows : 
No. 37,230. Geeman Savings Institution, } 
Cincinnati, December 16, 1878. f 
$1,072. 
&quot; Pay to the order of H. L. Newman &amp; Ce, ten hundred and seventy-two 
dollars, in currency. 
&quot; To fferman Savings Institution, St. Louis, Mo. 
«C. F. Adae&amp;Co. 
&quot;M. M. Adae.&quot; 
Finkelnhurg &amp; Rassieur, for complainant. 
Noble e Orrick, for defendants.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to do with these notes, and was in no manner whatever bornJ 
for their payment. On the other side of the account is fouiid 
the amount paid for the discount of these notes. In this way 
is shown the proceeds of the notes made available for the use of 
the syndicate. On the other side of the journal is then shown 
the use made of the fund thus obtained. Among other things, the 
demand loan at the People's National Bank is taken up, and $20,- 
000 loaned the company. For this loan to the company the bills- 
receivable account shows that the note of the company was taken. 
With the rest of the proceeds coupons were bought. These cou- 
pons were held by the treasurer of the syndicate as his vouchers 
for the note to that extent of the funds in his hands, and were 
charged in the coupon account of the syndicate. The company had 
nothing to do with this, and no charge is made against it on the 
books for any such use of this money. The same will be found true 
of all the other entries. When money was advanced to the company 
a corresponding entry is, as a rule, found in the bills-receivable 
account. Thus, when preparations were made for taking up the 
sterling coupons, payable in London, the money was advanced to the 
company and remitted to the agents in London. For these amounts 
the notes of the company were given to the syndicate. In this way 
the money was provided to pay the London coupons — not to buy 
them. Those coupons, when taken up, were extinguished, and no 
claim is made for them. They do not and never have appeared in 
the coupon account of the syndicate. The vouchers held for that ad- 
vance were the notes of the company. It is not claimed that any 
coupons were bought except in New York and Charleston. 
The books are in reality between the syndicate and its treasurer, 
and show in what way he hasdisposed of the funds in his hands. 
He is, in eiiect, charged with certain amounts of money, and his 
books show how it has been disbursed. On settlement he produces, 
as his vouchers, interest and expenses paid, coupons bought, and bills 
receivable belonging to the syndicate, consisting of the notes of the 
company taken up from others, or given for money advanced. It is 
an error to suppose that all the money charged to him was got from 
the company, or that all he paid out was either advanced to or 
charged in account against the company. 
The next question is whether, as between the bondholders and the 
syndicate, the coupons were bought or paid. I shall not undertake 
to recapitulate the evidence on this point, but content myself with 
saying that the evidence, as I think, brings the case clearly withia&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The defendants, whora the complainant seeks to enjoin from bring- 
ing him to an account in the court of common pleas of Crawford 
county, are creditors of the Titusville Savings Bank, and they alJeged 
that the complainant has not lawfully disbursed the said sum of 
$25,631.88, and that they have not received their pro rata shares 
thereof to which they are entitled under the deed of voluntary assign- 
ment. Now, if these allegations are true, are these creditors remedi- 
less, and where can they obtain relief, if not in the state court? 
Why should not the complainant file an account in the court of com- 
mon pleas of Crawford county to the extent of the assets which were 
excepted from the operation of the decree of this court ? It is true, 
the decree recites that the complainant had made disbursements, to 
the amounts specified, to creditors and to the expenses of bis trust, 
and his commissioners are also specified. But these recitals were 
merely to show how the cash in his hands,. which he was to pay over 
to the assignee in bankruptcy, was reduoed to the sum of $801.11. 
No detailed account was exhibited tothis court, nor were the com- 
plainant's vouchers produoed ; and the defendants had no oppor- 
tunity to be heard upon the question of distribution. Can it be 
maintained, then, that creditors who are entitled to shares of this 
fund, but who receive nothing, are concluded by vague recitals in the 
decree of this court ? This would be to pervert the decree from its 
manifest purpose. Clearly this court did not intend to undertake 
the distribution, among the parties entitled thereto, of the assets 
expressly excepted from the operation of its decree, which the com- 
plainant &quot;collected and converted into money in his capacity of as- 
signee of said copartnership undef st^te law.&quot; As to these assets, 
theref ore, the complainant must be lef t to settle his account in the 
appropriate forum. 
And now, July 5, 1881, the injunction prayed for is refused, and 
the provisional injunction heretofore granted is dissolved.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Thb Coevallis Fbuit Go. v. Curban and others. 
(Oireuit Court, J). Oregon. August 5, 1881.) 
i. Iirr IINGBMEITT. 
A machine for drying fruit, which employs substantially the forms and 
D echanical contrivances of the one patented to William S. Plumraer, is an 
i ifringement of such patent, although in some respects it is an iuipiovement 
' ipon the latter. 
a. I TIDBNCB. 
A patent ispriMa/aa« evidence that the patentee was the inventor of the 
thing patented, and of its novejty and utiiity. 
Suit for Injunction. 
Wallis Nash, R. S. Strnlian, and D. R. Kennedi/, for plaintiff. 
Cyrus A. Dolph, W. R. Bilyeu,, and /. K. Weatherford, for defend- 
ant. 
Deady, D. J. On May 22, 1877, a patent, numbered 101,072, 
was issued to William S. Plummer &quot;for an alleged new and useful 
improvement in fruit-driei-s,&quot; for the term of 17 years ; and on Octo- 
ber 9th of the same year a re-issue of said patent, numbered 195,948, 
was made to him. The specification of the second patent states 
that — 
&quot;The object of this invention is to furniah an improved apparatns for dryiug 
fruit, which shall be snnple in construction, convenieiit in use, and ettVotive 
In operation, drying the fruit rapidly and evenly, and which shrJl be so con- 
structed that it inay be readily taken down, set up, and moved lioin place to 
place;&quot; and that &quot;the invention consists in the case provided in its lower 
part with a lining set at a little distance from its walls, the large door, the 
small door, the clesits or slides to recoive the fruit frames or trays, the doors, 
and the cover and cap to allow the inoisture-laden air to escape, to adapt it 
for use in drying fruit.&quot; ' ' 
Having thus described his invention, he claims &quot;as new&quot; — 
&quot;ihe case, A, provided in its lower part with a lining, B, set at a little dis- 
tance from its walls, the large door, G, the small door, H, the cleats or slides, 
I, to receive the fruit frames or trays, and the cover and cap, 1^ M, to allow 
the moisture-laden air to escaj)e, substantially as herein shown and described, 
to adapt it for use in drying fruit.&quot; 
On December 1, 1879, the plaintili, the Corvallis Fruit Company, 
became the lawful assignee of said patents and improvements for the 
county of Linn, Oregon; and on Jannary 13, 1881, it brought this 
suit to restrain the defendants from infringing the same by the man- 
ufacture and sale of fruit-driers, in said county, &quot;produced by the 
inventions and improvements described and claimed m said letters 
patent.&quot; On June 27th an application for a provisional injnnction&lt;noinclude&gt;
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it is likely to be mnch' used, and if a ilSage! is Jfound to prevail generally in 
that business, it will not be open to the objectifin that it is likely to disturb 
the general understanding of mankind by the interposition of an arbitrary 
ex;ception.&quot; 
. I see no reason, why ^he usage proved in this case is not as rea- 
sonable as that sustained in the cases cited. Its application must 
necessarily be extremely limited, and can affect but a few persons. 
It £as been recognized and acquiesced in for many years. It requires 
intime firat taker tljeonly act of appropriation that is possible in the 
nature of the case. Unless it is sustained, this branch of industry 
must necessarily. cease, for no person would engage in it if the fruits, 
of his labor could be appropriated by any chance finder. It gives 
reasonable salvage iior securing or^feporting the property. That the 
rule 'Works ■well in practice is shown by the estent of the industry 
which bas grown up under it, and the general acquiescence 6i a whole' 
community interested to dispute it. It is by no means clear that 
without regard to usage the common law would not reach the same 
resuit. That seems to be the eflfect of the decisions in Taber v. Jenny 
ana JBartlett'v. Eudd. If the fisherman does all that it is possible to 
do to make the animal his own, that would seem to be sufficient. 
Sucb a rule might well be applied in the interest of trade, there being 
no usage or custom to the contrary. Holmes, Com. Law, 217. But 
be that as it may, I hold the usage to be valid, and that the property 
in the whale was in the libellant. 
the rule pf damages is the market value of the oil obtained from 
the wbale, less the cost of tryingit out and preparing it for the mar- 
ket, with interest on the amount so ascertained from the date of con- 
version. As the question is new and important, and the suit is con- 
tested on both sides, more for the purpose of having it settled than 
for the amount involved, I shall give no costs. 
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fraud or accident, or by reason of their being unknown to him in 
time for that purpose, without any fraud or negligence on his part, 
«quity would restrain the plaintiff by perpetuai injunction from pro- 
■ceeding upon the judgment, or vrould otherwise relieve against it. 
Such jurisdiction, with the proper limitations upon it, was never 
more tersely or clearly stated than by Chief Justice Marshall, in the 
Marine Ins. Co. v. Hodgson, 7 Cranch, 836 ; 
&quot; Without attempting,&quot; says the learned judge, &quot; to draw any precise line to 
which courts of equity will advance and which they cannot pass, in restrain- 
ing parties from availing themselves of judgments obtained at law, it may 
safely be said that any fact which clearly proves it to be against conscience 
to execute a judgment, and of which the injured party could not have availed 
himself in a court of law, or of which he might have availed himself at law 
but was prevented by fraud or accident, unmixed with any fault or negligence 
in himself or his agents, will justify an application to a court of chancery.&quot; 
See, also, Tompkins v. Tompkins, 3 Stock. 512; Freeman on Judg- 
ments, § 491; Inswrance Co. v. Field, 2 Story, 59. 
The learned. counsel for the defendant, while admitting, on the 
argument, the general jurisdiction, insisted that there was nothing 
in the structure of the bill in the present case which authorized the 
court to treat the suit as an application for a new trial on account 
of newly-discovered evidence. 
The specifie prayer undoubtedly is that the judgment be set aside 
on the ground that it was obtained by fraud. But there is also a 
prayer for an injunction and for general relief, and under these it 
has been the practice in equity, unless the case disclosed some defence 
peouliar to courts of equity and which would be unavailable at law, 
to decline to go further than to set aside the judgm'ent and leave the 
parties to a new trial in the original forum. This is especially so 
when the prayer of the bill is for an injunction ; bills of which sort, 
says Judge Story, are usually called bills for a new trial. Story, Eq. 
Jur. § 887. 
Eegarding the case as in effect an application for a new trial, do 
the allegations of the bill authorize the court to interfere with the 
judgment? 
As the alleged newly-discovered evidence is a legal and not an equi- 
table defence, the only questions are whether it is sufficient, if true, 
to prove fraud and injustice in the judgment, and whether the com- 
plainant has shown due diligence in the effort to procure the testimony 
for Ihe trial ? 
1. T-iie complainant states in the bill of complaint that more than 
two years after the judgment, to-wit, in the spring of 1880, it ascer-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/198</title>
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LowELL, C. J. The plaintiff, residing at Ossipee, held two mort- 
gages upon the house of Abram Cole, at Grafton, aud applied, in 
January, 1874, to Buel C. Carter, of Wolfborougb, to insure bis 
interest as mortgagee. Carter was agent for some Insurance com- 
panies and was applied to in that obaracter, and promised to place 
the risk in a good company. He was not the agent of the defendant 
Company, except that Kufus P. Staniels, Iheir general agent for 
Concord and the vicinity, had asked him to send to him any risks 
which he did not place in bis owo companies. This had been done 
in several instances before 3874, and the course of business was for 
Carter to forward the apph'cationa or memoranda of a risk to Staniels, 
and if it was accepted Staniels sent Carter a policy, which Carter 
delivered on payment of the premium, and was allowed 10 per cent, 
of the premium for his commissioni. &lt; 
In April, 1874, in pursuance of the request of the plaintiff. Carter 
made oiit a paper, which may he copsidered to be an application. 
It ia, in form, an agent's daily memorandum. It is headed Germania 
&quot;Pire Insurance Co.,&quot; and proceeds: 
&quot;Insurance is granted to Abram Cole, of Gorham, N&quot;. H., on two-story frame 
dwelling-house, ell and barn connected, oceupied in summer season for summer 
boarding-house, and in winter by assured as dwelling-house, $1,500; on fur- 
niture therein, $500. Situate near Gorham village, on the road to Randolph, 
if. H. Payable, in case of loss, to George B. Frost, [this should be George B. 
Sias, and is so in the policy,] of Ossipee, as his interest may appear,&quot; 
On the back are many particulars of the situation of the property, 
with a diagram, etc. This paper appears to have been sent to Car- 
ter's correspondents in Boston and to have been rejected by them, 
and then to have been enclosed to Staniels, who accepted the risk 
and issued a policy, dated May 1, 1874, insuring Cole for two.years, 
payable to the plaintiff as- his interest should appear. This policy 
he sent to Carter, who sent it to Sias. Carter received the premium 
and paid it to Staniels, after deduoiing his commission. Pive hun- 
dred dollars was insured on the fumiture, in which Sias had no 
interest. This would seem to be a mistake of Carter's. Sias paid 
the premium himself and intended to insure his own interest, and 
had no authority or request from Cole, the mortgagor, to insure the 
equity. He called Carter's attention to the form of policy and asked 
him if it insured his interest and that only, and was informed by 
him that it did. The buildings were destroyed by fire in July, 1875, 
and Sias brought an action, which Was removed to and tried in this 
court, Judge Shepley presiding. The company proved that Cole haa&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/204</title>
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Canada SovTHEBN Bt. Co. r. Intebnatiokal Bbidoe Oo. and 
another. 
{Bietriet Court, E. JD. New 7&lt;rrk. 1881.) 
1. ThB iHTBBNATIOIIAL BbIDOB ComPAHY— AcT OF 1870. 
The act of congress pasaed in June, 1S70, providing, among other things, 
that &quot;all railway companies desiring to use the said bridge ghall have and be 
entitled to equal rights and privileges in the passage of the same, and in the 
use of the machinery and flxtures thereof, and of all the approaches thereto» 
under and upon such terms and conditions as sball be prescribed by the district 
court of the United States,&quot; etc., does not confer upon such court Jurisdiction 
over a controversy relating solely to the compensation which is due the corpo- 
ration for the use of the bridge. 
2. POWBB TO HEauIiATB COUMBROB. 
Where a corporation incorporated by the legislatures of Canada and New 
York for the purpose ot building a bridge, oonstructs it. In part, over public 
navigable waters of the United Btates, it seems that congress, under the power 
conferred upon it by the constitution to regulate commerce, lias the right to 
prescribe what compensation it shall charge for its use. 
3. Congress — DBLaaATioif of Adthoeitt — Jodioiai, Fdiictions. 
As the exercise of judicial functions alone is involved in determlning the 
amount of such compensation, congress can confer the authority necessary for 
this purpose upon a federal court. 
4. Chabteb Rights— LEGisiiATiVB Intbbfbrencb. 
As the right to charge such tolls as the judgment of its offlcers might war- 
rant constituted the essential value of such company's franchise, it will not be 
inferred that congress intended to interfere theiewith, if the language of the 
BCt is consistent with a less violent purpose. 
McMillan e Gluck, attomeys for petitioner, with Geo. F. Comstock, 
Adam Crooks, Q. C, Graver Cleveland, and Daniel H. McMillan, of 
counsel for petitioner. 
Spragiie, Milhum de Spragtie, attomeys for respondents, with E. C. 
Spragm, John Bell, Q. C, and John G. Milburn, counsel for respond- 
ents. 
Wallaoe, D. J. The petitioner, the Canada Southern Eailway 
Company, has applied to this court to determine the terms and con- 
ditions upon which it may be permitted to use the' bridge of the 
respondent, the International Bridge Company, and in this behalf to 
adjudge what compensation the respondent may exact for such use. 
The International Bridge Company is a corporation organized pursu- 
ant to concurrent legislation on the part of the State of New York 
and of Canada, authorizing a New York corporation and a Canadian 
corporation to consolidate and enjoy the franchises conferred by the 
legislation of the respective sovereignties. Under these acts the cor« 
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Under these circumstances, wbat was the term of the supreme court 
of New Hampshire at which this cause could first have been tried ? 
The decided cases may be thua stated : If, at any term, the cause is 
at issue upon its merits, or would have been at issue but for the 
negligence of the party petitioning for the removal, and by the law 
and practice of the state is presently triable, that is the latest term 
for removal, although the parties or the court may not be ready, and 
may have a perfectly valid excuse for not trying the case at that 
term, such as illness, absence of witnesses, a crowded docket, etc. 
See Gumee v. Brunswick, 1 Hughes, 270, 277; Stough v. Hatch, 17 
Blatchf. 233; Forrest v.Keeler, H. 432; Fidton v. Golden, 8 Eep. 517; 
Ames V. Colorado Cent. R. Ce. 4 Dill. 260; Atlee v. Potter, H. 559; 
Murray v. Holden, 10 Bep. 162; Blackwell v. Braun, 1 Fbd. Eep. 351. 
On the other hand, if a case is not at issue without fault on the 
part of the petitioner for removal, or if, by the law and practice of 
the state, the second term iS the trial term, then the petitition may be 
filed at the term at which the issues are made up, or at such trial 
term, as the case may be. Scott v. Clinton B. Co. 6 Bish. 529; War- 
ner V. Penn. B. Co. 13 Blatehf. 231; Hunter v. Royal Ins. Co. 3 
Hughes, 234; McCullov,gh v. Sterling Farniture Co. 4 Dill. 563; Palmer 
V. Call, Id. 566; Whitehouse v. Cent. Ins. Co. 2 Fed. Rep, 498; Van 
Allen V. Atehison, etc., B. Co. 3 Fed. Eep. 545. 
&quot; If the local law makes the first term after the suit is brought an appear- 
ance term merely, and declares that the second term is the one at which the 
cause may be brought to trial, then the latter is the term at or before which 
the petition for removal must be filed.&quot; Per McCreary, J., in Murray v. Hol- 
den, 10 Eep. 162. 
These decisions lean to the side of strictness, and in favor of the 
utmost diligence, and go very far in that direction. I do not agree 
that the absence of evidence might not be enough to prove that the 
case could not be tried at a certain term. For instance, it is usual 
in patent causes in equity, where the evidence is all taken in writing, 
to order the plaintiff to put in his case within a certain time, and the 
defendant to finish his case at a certain other time, and the plaintiff 
to take his rebutting testimony within a third time. It is impossi- 
ble, in my judgment, to admit that such a case could be tried before 
the expiration of the latest of those periods. The decisions, therefore, 
must be taken to mean that, if the cause could, in ordinary course, 
be tried, but for what I have called an accident, or beeause the par- 
ties do not choose to try it, the time for removal bas come. Can the 
first term fairly be called the trial term, in all contested causes in New&lt;noinclude&gt;
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been wholly abandoned before the issue of the bonds in question vras 
made. 
It seems to me that the clear intimation, in HacJcett v. Ottawa are 
that the improyement of the water-power in Ottawa and its vicinity 
was a corporate purpose within the meaning of the constitution of 
1848, and that, conceding that Eames was fully advised of the pur- 
pose for which these bonds were issued, he has the right to maintain 
an action against them, 
Proof was introduced showing that the plaintiff, Cary, derived 
title to these bonds from Eames, and that he was a member of the 
common councilof Ottawa in 1872 and 1873, and that he votedwith 
the other members of the common council to repudiate these bonds. 
The law is well settled, I think, that if these bonds passed out of 
the defendant to a honafide holder for value before due, a subsequent 
purohaser of the bonds, even with knowledge of any taint upon them, 
is to be protected. 
It appears from the proof in this case that the contemplated issue 
of these bonds was a matter of general notoriety, It was discussed 
at public meetings, voted upon at a, public election, the action of the 
common council was of the most public character, their various 
ordinances and prooeedings in regard to the disposition of the bonds 
were published in the corporation newspaper and commented upon 
by the press of the city generally,-and it cannot but be assumed that 
the citizens of the city, the tax payers, and 'those interested in the 
subject, musfc have known for some time before the bonds were issued, 
not only that they were to be issued, but the use to be made of them; 
and the question is, is it right that a city which now represents the 
same citizens who stood by and acquiesced in the issue of these bonds 
shall be allowed to repudiate them in the hands of one of their own 
citizens, even, who has paid full value, and whose money has been, 
so far as we know, faithfully expended for the purpose which the 
bonds were designed to further? Here was, at least, a full claim of 
power to issue them. 
This municipality was by its charter empowered to issue bonds to 
an unlimited extent for corporate purposes, if sanctionod by a vote 
of the people. The ci'y authorities treated water-power improve- 
ment as a public pttrpose ;■ the eitikens not only acquiesced in it, but 
publicly voted for it by a large majority. The case appears to mo 
to resolve itself solely into a question of municipal power, and in 
the light of Taylor'v.Thoffipson and' the subsequent cases upon the 
same question in this Sfato, and the eoilsfcruction given to the powers&lt;noinclude&gt;
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sold by him, &quot;at the instance of, said guardian, on January 8, 1867, 
to Alexander Hodges, he being the higheri bidder therefor, for $960 
in gold coin, payable in five years, with interest at the rate of 12 per 
cent, per annum, , payable in advance, and secured by mortgage on 
the premises; and the order of said court dated February 7, 1867, 
confirming said sale and directing the guardian to execute a convey- 
anoe thereof to the purchaser.&quot; The guardian conveyed to Hodges 
on March 11, 1867, who, on October 10, 1870, conveyed the north 
half of the premises to J. S. Bevens and the south half to M. E. Davis, 
who afterwards conveyed to the defendants — the latter on October 26, 
1871, and the former on December 7, 1872. 
The first point made by the plaintiff in support of the motion for a 
new trial is that the court erred in admitting the copies of the pro- 
ceedings upon the inquisition of lunacy, because the originals were 
void, not having been kept atid entered in the proper book, To un- 
derstand this objection itis necessary to pjremise that the county 
court &quot;has the jurisdiction pertaining to probate courts and boards of 
county eommissioners, *: * * and such civil jurisdiction, not exr 
ceeding the amount of value of $500, * * * as may be prescribed 
by law.&quot; Const. art. 7, § 12. And by section 876 of the Civil Code 
it is provided that these three kinds of business, to-wit, (1) leases at 
law; (2) probate business ; and (3) county business, &quot;shallbe entered 
and kept in separate books ;&quot; and the argument of the plaintiff is that 
these orders belong to. probate business, but have been entered in the 
book with county business, and are therefore void. The argument 
assumes that said section 876 was in force when these transactions 
took place. But this is a mistake. The Civil Code, although passed 
on October 11, 1862, didnot take effect until June 1, 1863. But upqn 
examination we find that substantially the same provision coneerning 
&quot;the settlement of the estates of minors, idiots, and lunatics, and all 
cases of the nature of probate,&quot; and &quot;all county business,&quot; was con- 
tained in section 21 of the act of June 4, 1859, relating to county 
courts, (Sess. Laws, 12,) and then, and until June 1, 1863, in force 
and applicable to these proceedings. 
It does not appear from the certificate of the clerk to these copies, 
dated October 13, 1874, that the originals were not entered in a 
separate book, On the contrary, the fair inference from the certifir 
cate is that they wereso kept, The clerk describes himself as &quot;the 
keeper of the probate records,&quot; and then certifies that the transcript 
is a true copy of the original orders made by the court in the &quot;com- 
mitment&quot; and esta te of William Fulton. But on the hearing of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/226</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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need not be in court, but may be had before the county judge at any 
time and place he may^ name ; and for aught that appears may be 
kept on paper and not entered in any bock. In this particular case 
it seems the judge likened it to county business, and had the pro- 
ceedings entered and kept aocordingly as of a regular term of the court. 
But admitting that he erred in this matter, and that the inquisition 
should have been kept and entered in the records of the probate bus- 
iness, as claimed by the plaintiff, still the resuit is not .affected by 
this mistake of the officer. The act directing the business transacted 
in the county court to be kept and entered in different books, accord- 
ing to a certain classification of the same, is so far a mere regulation 
for convenience, and not of the essence of the thing to be done, and 
therefore only directory. When a statute gives directions or makes 
provisions concerning the time and manner of doing an officiai act, 
affecting the rights and duties of third persons, it will generally be 
considered directory, unless the nature of thy act to be done or the 
language of the statute indicates tha contrary. Smith's Com. § 670; 
Cooley's Const. Lim. 74; Toney v. Milbury, 21 Pick. 67; Corhet v. 
Bradley, 7 Nev. 107; People v. Cook, leBarb. 290; S. C. 8 N. Y. 67; 
Rex V. Foxdale, 1 Bur. 447. In this latter case Lord Mansfield said : 
&quot;There is a known distinction between ciroumstanoes which are of 
the essence of a thing required to be done by an act of parliament, 
and clauses meiely directory.&quot; 
In the case under consideration there is nothing in the nature of the 
act to be done, nor the language of the statutes directing ii to be done, 
■that indicates that it was the intention of the legislature to make the 
validity of a judgment or order of a county court, duly given or made, 
depend upon the fact that it is recorded in a particular book; and that 
if, from the ignorance or negligence of the clerk, it is entered in the 
■wrong one it is therefore void. The statute requiring the proceed- 
ings in this inquisition of lunacy to be kept and entered in a partic- 
ular book with a certain class of business is merely directory ; and, 
although the officer ought to have obeyed it, third persons are not to 
suffer for his omissions to do so. The entry of the proceedings in 
the records of the court was essential, — the essence of the thing to 
done; but whether in a book of this or that class of business was a 
mere matter of convenience, and the statute providing for it is there- 
fore directory. 
The plaintiff also insists that the inquisition is void because taken 
upon a petition not verified, because, as counsel stateS it, Pulton was 
arrested and imprisoned in the asylum without &quot;probable cause,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/228</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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order directed to the sheriff co mmanding him to bring Fulton before 
the court &quot;on the presumption of insanity,&quot; to be dealt with according 
to the statuts, and the sheriff made a return thereon that he &quot;arrested&quot; 
the person named and brought him before the court. This order, 
judged by its purpose and mode of execution, was, in effeot, a proces» 
for the arrest of Fulton issued without information upon oath. But 
all process for the arrest of a party is not included in the word 
&quot;warrant&quot; as used in the constitution. A capias, or writ of arrest 
in a civil action, is not a &quot;warrant&quot; in that sense, and it is issued at 
common law as a matter of course, without oath. S Black. 281. A 
warrant within the meaning of the constitution is an authority for 
the arrest of a porson upon a criminal charge, with a view to his 
commitment and trial thereon. 
The arrest of a person upon a charge of insanity, for the purpose 
of his commitment or confinement in an insane asylum, is, strictly 
speaking, neither an arrest in a civil or criminal proceeding, but 
is one sui generis. Still it partakes more of the character of the lat- 
ter than the former, and ought not, in this day of regard for personal 
liberty, to be allowed otherwise than upon information on oath. 
This act, which practically allows the arrest of a person upon the 
charge of insanity on the unverifled statement of any citizen, and his 
commitment to the asylum upon the verified statement of any one 
&quot;physician&quot; selected by the county judge that he is insane, was prob- 
ably prepared and passed in the interest of the contractors, who 
naturally enough wanted the entry to the asylum made expeditious 
and easy. 
At common law the king was the guardian of lunatios, and the 
custody of them was entrusted by him to the chancelier. Upon a 
petition or information alleging the insanity of any one, the chancel- 
lor granted a commission to inquire into the matter by the verdict of 
a jury; and, if the person was thus found insane, committed him to 
the care of some friend, called his committee. 1 Black. 304. This 
petition was probably not upon oa,th, but the party was not restrained 
of his liberty until after the verdict of the jury which established his 
insanity. 
In the draft of the New York Code of Civil Procedure, §§ 1563- 
1574, (1849,) the appointment of a committee for an insane person 
is provided for. The application is made to the surrogate by a veri- 
fied petition stating the facts, and inquisition thereon is made by a 
jury at the place of the party's residence, upon notice to him and 
some member of his family; and in the draft of the Civil Code, |&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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income, if any, is not sufficient to support the ward in the asylum, 
where he is likely to remain, and that the personal estate is not suf- 
ficient to defray the expenses already incurred for that purpose ; and 
also that it would be for the benefit of the ward to convert his land 
into money. 
Upon either or both of these grounds the court had authority to 
lieense the sale upon this petition, and having done so the purehaser 
thereat acquired a good title. This being so, the motion for a new 
trial must be denied. and it is so ordered. 
Paekes and others v. Aldeidgb and others. 
(Circuit Court, D. New Jersey. July 19, 1881.) 
1. Testament ART Charges upon Rbal Estate. 
Only when there has been a complete disposition of the personal propertyby 
the testator, will it be presumed that he meant to charge the laud with thepay- 
ment of a legacy, or the raising of money to be applied to a specifie purpose. 
2. CONCtJRRBNT JmiISDICTION— FEDERAL CollRT — StATE COURT. 
Of two courts, the one a fedeial court and the other a state court, having con- 
current jurisdiction, the one flrst gaining complete Jurisdiction o ver the contro- 
versy is entitled to retain it. 
A particular will construed. 
S. B. Ransom, for complainants. 
Whitehead &amp; Cushing, for Sarah Jane McClelland. 
Tho. Reyerson, for the executor. 
Nixon, D. J. The original bill of complaint was filed in this case 
by George Parkes and others, children of Eichard Parkes, late of 
Bellville, in the county of Essex and state of New Jersey, deceased, 
for the construction of the last will and testament of the said Eichard, 
and for other relief, touching the administration and disposition of 
the estate, in the said bill particularly set forth and specified. He 
departed this life on or about February 28, 1873, having first made 
and executed his last will and testament, which, omitting the mere 
formai clause, was as follows : 
&quot;(1) It is mj will, and I do hereby order and direct my executor hereinafter 
named, to pay all my just and lawful debts, death-bed and f uneral expenses, 
as soon after my decease as may be convenient for him so to do. (2) I do 
hereby give and bequeath unto Sarah Jane McClelland, my housekeeper, 
for services rendered, the brick house now occupied by me, together with the 
ground surrounding the aforesaid brick house, said ground being of the fol- 
lowing dimensions : Ninety feet front on William street, about 126 feet deep, 
running along the north-easterly line of Greenwich street, being a plat of 
ground 90 feet front ^nd rear, and 126 feet deep, and now fenced in as a gai-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/236</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Street, in Bellville, which was subsequently run ofi into lots by the executor, 
seven of which he sold to one Francis Haggerty, oa the tweuty-fourth of 
March, 1874, for the aum of $3,631.50. 
With this knowledge of the condition of the eatate, it does net seem 
■that the construction of the will ought to occasion much serious con- 
troversy. It is the duty of the court to ascertain from the whole 
instrument the intention of the testator, and to give effect, so far as 
practicable, to all the provisions of the will. When these confiict, 
they must, if possible, be so construed that all may stand. It is 
obvions that the housekeeper, Sarah Jane McClelland, was the spe- 
cial object of the testator's bounty. It was clearly his design to 
make provision out of the estate for her comfortable support. To 
this end, he gave to her, absolutely, his dwelling-house, with all the 
furniture, for her home. He ordered the rents and profits of other 
designated real estate to be used during her life for the payment of 
taxes, and to keep the house in proper repair. He further directed 
the payment of $15 monthly for the current expenses of her living, 
and provided that the money for this purpose should be paid from 
or out of his undivided estate. To what, then, is she entitled under 
the will? 
(1) To all the furniture and other personal property, and to an estate in 
f ee-simple in the brick house, and the lot or garden on which it stands, 90 
feet in width and 126 f eet in depth ; (2) to a life estate in the two tenement 
houses known as the &quot;shop,&quot; and a lot 60 feet in width and 75 J feet in 
depth; (3) to the monthly payment of $15 during her life, to be derived from 
the sale of real estate not otherwise specifically disposed of. 
Where there is a complete disposition of the personal property by 
the testator, and there is no possibility of the payment of a legacy 
or money ordered to be raised for a specifie purpose except from the 
real estate, it is the duty of the courts to presume that he meant to 
charge the land for such payment. See Goddard v. Pomeroy, 13 
Bart. 546; 1 How. 1. 
Applying this settled rule of construction to the present case, the 
$1,000 which was ordered to be used from the estate for fencing, 
grading, and placing a head-stone on the burying lot of the testator, 
should be paid by the executor from the proceeds of the sale of the 
land authorized to be sold. 
What, then, is the duty of the executor ? 
(1) To surrender to Sarah Jane McClelland the furniture specifically be- 
queathed to her, and also the absolute possession and control of the brick 
house, with the lot, as descr^bed in the will. (2) To allow to her the reuts 
and profits of the house and building known as the &quot;shop,&quot; with the lot,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/242</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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waukee for 20 cents per 100 pounda, its lowest rate, and took the 
freight by its own conveyances from the malt-house to the cars, 
making no extra charge for the extra service. 
The freight agent of the road testifies that the malt was removed 
from the place pf manufacture to the cars at the expense of the 
railroad Company, and that at London and s.everal other competing 
points in Canada the presoribed rates of freight for the entire trans- 
portation include the expense of removal of merchandise from the 
place where it may be at the time to the railroad station. In other 
words, in the case in hand the claimant would have had to pay the 
same rate for transportation of this malt from London to Milwaukee, 
if he bad himself delivered it at the depot in London, as lie in fact 
contracted to pay ; the railroad company assuming the removal of 
the malt from the malt-house to the cars. The transaction on the 
part of the railroad company, then, was equivalent to the removal of 
the malt without expense to the shipper. As, therefore, the trans- 
portation or removal of the malt from the malt-house to the cars 
cost the shipper nothing, there was nothing to be added as expense 
of sucb removal to the dutiable value. I hold, therefore, that the 
third alleged ground of forfeiture is unsustaiued. 
4. The more serions question in the case is that which is involved 
in the deduction which the claimant made on the invoice of the malt 
furnished to the consular agent at the time of shipment, of 2|^ per 
cent, for dust. After providing that all invoices of imported mer- 
chandise shall be made in triplicate and signed by the persou owning 
or shipping the merchandise, the statute (section 2854, Eev. St.) 
declares that — 
&quot;AU such invoices shall, at or before the shipment of the merchandise, be 
produced to the consul, vice-consul, or commercial agent of the United States 
nearest the place of shipment, for the use of the United States, and shall have 
indoised thereon, when so produced, a declaration signed by the purchaser, 
manufacturer, owner, or agent, setting forth that the invoice is in all respects 
true; that it contains, if the merchandise mentioned therein is subject to ad 
valwem duty, and was obtained by purchase, a true and full statement of the 
time when and the place where the saane was purchased, and the actual cost 
thereof, and of all charges thereon ; and that no discounts, bounties, or draw- 
backs are contained in the invoice, but such as have actually been allowed 
thereon.&quot; 
It is insisted by the attorney for the government that under this 
statute no discount or drawback could be lawfully made or inserted 
in the claimant's invoice in this case, unless it was one allowed to 
the purchaser of the malt ; , and the prosecution of the case, upoii this&lt;noinclude&gt;
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from out the water.or while cast away upoi» the shore. From the moment ot 
the &quot;wreck, or commencement of the distress, until restored to their rightful 
owner, the goods are within the protection of this statute, into whosesoever 
hands they corne wlth knowledge that they belong to the wrecked or distressed 
vessel. Nor is the sniallness of their value at allmaterial. Whether by efflux 
of time, the length of distance to which they hare been carried by the cur- 
rent or otherwise, or the conduct of the owners of the goods in abandoning 
them, they ever cease to be protected by this statute, we need not inquire, 
becE^use, under the circumstances of their case, as shown by the proof, there 
was no such lapse of time, distance from the wreck, or abandonment as would 
protect the defendant. We are not authorized by the use of the word 'steal' 
in this section, nor Other words used in describing this oiience, to import into 
this statute from the common or statutory laws of England or the state the 
elements of the crime of larceny of goods upon land as known to those laws. 
No specifie intent is necessary to constitute this ofEence, and any intent is 
unlawful and suBlcient for the guilt of the ofEender, except that alone of tak- 
ing the goods for the purpose of restoring them to the master or other offlcei 
of the unfortunate vessel, or to their ultimate rightful owner. If a person 
near thewireck does not intend to restore the goods, or intends to make any 
other use of them than preserving them for the master or owner of the vessel, 
or owner of the goods, he must let them alone or he violates this statute. 
Nor is the time when the unlawful intent is conoeived material. If the 
acclised takes the goods with the lawful intent to preserve and restore them, 
and afterwards yields to the temptation of avaiice or cupidity, and couverts 
or destroys them, he violates this statute. 
&quot;Again, the manner of taklng is Wholly immaterial, whether by open force 
or stealth, or otherwise. The words of this statute are sweeping and com- 
prehensive.; They include all unlawful taking, whether on the facts the crime 
at common law would be piracy, robbery, lar43eny simple, mixed, or compound, 
malicious misehiefi or what not; and includes such taking as would, under 
statutory offences, be called embezzlement, crimiual or fraudulent breach of 
trust. To illustrate: At common law, if y ou givo your goods to the master 
of avessel to be carried asfreight, and he appropriates or couverts or destroys 
the whole cargo or package, he is not guilty of larceny, but only a breach of 
trust; but if he breaks the package and takes a part, he is guilty of larceny. 
Now, we have no such reflnement in this statute, and, if the vessel be wrecked 
or in distress at the time of the taking, the master would be guilty, if not of 
stealing, certainly of plundering, and would be caught by this statute in a 
crime, as he should be. This statute is not, gentlemen of the jury, a dead 
letter, as bas been said by counsel; nor does ignorance of it at all excuse the 
crime. The act of taking for your own use, or to destroy or otherwise deapoil 
the owner of goods that are wrecked, either from the wreok or afloat, is in 
itself morally wrong, and it must so occur to every man whose sensibilities 
are not bluntedby avarice, and that it is against common right to do it. It 
may not be against common law, but every man should expect to fmd some 
law in some statute somewhere to punish it. Untortuuately, human experi- 
ence teaches us that when a disaster occurs by flre, wreck, flood, or storm, 
.and the property. of : the victims is left unprotected by the ordinary care and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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them to his hotne, and raade a division with his associates, this, as a matter of 
law, raises a presumption against him of fraudulent intent in the taking.&quot; 
And alBO refused the following asked by the defendant : 
&quot;(1) Lareeny is the felonious taking and earrying away the personal goods 
or chattels of another. In order to.eonstitute this oiience there must first be 
a taking from the possession, either actual or constructive, of the owner; and 
such taking must be felonious — that is, with the speoifi(y intent on the part 
of the taker to deprive the true owner thereof. Furthermore, before the tak- 
ing as above defined can be regarded as felonious, it must be without color of 
right or claim on the part of the taker. 
&quot;(2) if a man takes the goods of another under the honest belief, however 
ill founded, that he has a right to do so, he is not guilty of lareeny or stealing, 
and cannot be convicted, under thia statute, of stealing, by reason of such 
taking. 
&quot;(3) As a raie every man is conclusively presumed to know the law, and 
cannot excuse his unlawful act because he was ignorant it was unlawful ; but 
this general rule has many exceptions. Among these exceptions is the case 
where a man takes goods under a mtsapprehension of his legal rights, and he 
cannot be convicted of stealing them. In such case there is the absence of spe- 
cifie intent to steal, which is an indispensable element of lareeny. 
&quot;(5) If the jury find that defendant took goods in the river floating from 
the wreck, as stated in the above charge, with lawful intent, and subsequently 
determined to appropriate said goods to his own use, and did so, nevertheless 
he cannot be convicted under this indictment of the offenee of stealing goods 
belonging to the steamer Vicksburgh. In other words, the taking of the prop- 
erty and the intent to steal it must be cotemporaneous, one with the other. 
^'(6) The court further charges you that if the articles which the defendant 
is charged in the indictment with stealing were taken by him whilst they 
were floating in the water, at the time when they had escaped from the 
custody and control of the crew of said steamer, then the defendant cannot 
be convicted of stealing goods belonging to the said steamer, as is charged in 
the fourth count of the indictment, unless you find that at the time of such 
taking that he knew such goods belonged to said steamer, and at the time of 
such taking intended to steal them. 
&quot;(7) In order to find the defendant guilty on the first and second counts of 
this indictment, which respectively charge the defendant with pluudering 
and stealing the articles mentioned in said counts from the steamer Vicks- 
burgh, before you can convict him you must find, beyond a reasonable doubt, 
that said articles were taken from some part of said steamer. If they were 
floating in the water, separate from the wreck, they were not taken from the 
steamer, and the defendant muSt be acqaitted of the charge contained in the 
flrst and second couuts. 
&quot;(8) The court charges you that when you corne to consider of your verdict 
it is your duty to take up in their order each of the counts contained in the 
indictment. If you flnd him not guilty of the first count, you should then 
consider whether he be guilty on the second count, and so On with each suc- 
ceeding count to the end. If you flnd him guilty on any count,, you should 
state in your verdict under what count you so flnd him guiity.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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2 Pars. Ship. &amp; Mm. 288, 292; 1 Abb. Dict. word &quot;Derelict.&quot; And 
if they can ever belong to the first finder, it is only when they are 
both derelict and abandoned. Weyman v. Hurlbut, 13 Ohio, 81. 
Wreek is not properly so called if the real owner is known, and is not 
forfeited till a year and a day. Id.; Beg. v. Thwrhorn, 1 Den. 387; 2 
Ben. &amp; Heard, Lead. Crim. Cas. 409, 411. The floating goods are 
sti]l in the constructive possession of the owner or the vessel, more 
like those in a house on fire, and are not abaudoned because in peril. 
If one remove them for preservation, intending to keep them for the 
owner, but afterwards secrete and appropriate them, there is no lar- 
ceny at commou law, but only a breach of trust. Rex v. Leigh, 2 
East, P. C, 694; 2 Bish. Crim. Law, § 837; 2 Ben, &amp; Heard, Lead. 
Crim. Cas. 426. If, however, the intent at the time of taking had 
been to appropriate the goods to her own use, the judgment in that 
case would have been different, nor would the defendant have been 
excused upon any theory that she entertained a honafide belief that 
fthen a house was on fire the goods in it or taken from it belong to 
any one who secured possession of them, or that she did not think it 
stealing and did not intend to steal, but only to take what she sup- 
posed she might rightfully take. That would have been trying the 
act of the accused by her own mental characterization of that act. 
On that theory, if one takes money from under a pillow at night, 
and by stealth, he might have his crime excused by showing by his 
own testimony or otherwise his state of mind on the subject, and 
that he entertained an honest belief that he could do that thing 
without any wrong to the owner. This seems to me the resuit of the 
argument made for the defendant here, when we are asked to hold 
that, if he believed that he had a right to take these goods for his own 
use, he is not guilty. 
&quot;That there is a prevalent belief along this river that goods float- 
ing from a wreck may be appropriated by those who &quot;capture&quot; them 
from the water is, perhaps, true; and it may be that goods so sit- 
uated are supposed to belong to the first taker by those who know 
better than to apply the same rule of conduct to goods Ibst or in 
peril by fire or other disaster on land. But it seems to me plain 
that this preposterous elaim of right cannot serve to excuse the 
taking either at common law or under the statute. I do not see 
how any man whose moral sensibilities are not blunted by the temp- 
tation always afforded by such disasters, whether on land or sea, 
and who is not wholly demoralized in the presence of the temptation, 
can fail to recognize the wrong in it. The duty of restoring the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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broad enough to cover not only a taking by larceny, but any other 
wrongful taking. If we admit that the facts in this case do not con- 
Btitute larceny, or that those do not which are mentioned in State v. 
Conway, supra, where an iron safe belonging to a wrecked vessel was 
taken from the river and its contents appropriated after notice of 
their ownership, under circumstances, said by the supreme court of 
Missouri, to show that the perpetrators were &quot;unmindful of the duties 
of good and honest men,&quot; I am still of opinion that either case falls 
within this statute, because, if not stealing in the sense of the com- 
mon law, it was plundering, as known to this statute; if not in the 
Conway Case, oertainly in this, where the distressed vessel was almost 
in sight and the goods were eonfessedly known to belong to her. 
Mr. Stephen says of this word &quot;plunder&quot; that he does not know that 
it has any special legal signification. Steph. Dig. Crim. Law, (St. 
Louis Ed. 1878,) 261, 266, and notes. The lexicographers define 
it as that which is taken from an enemy by force : &quot;spoil;&quot; &quot;rapine;&quot; 
&quot;booty;&quot; &quot;pillage,&quot; etc. Worcest. Dict. ; Webst. Dict. In Eoget's 
Thesaurus it_will be found grouped with &quot;mutilation,&quot; &quot;spoilation,&quot; 
&quot;destruction,&quot; and &quot;sack,&quot; at section 619; with &quot;harm,&quot; &quot;wrong,&quot; 
&quot;molest,&quot; &quot;spoil,&quot; &quot;despoil,&quot; &quot;lay waste,&quot; &quot;dismantle,&quot; &quot;demolish,&quot; 
&quot;consume,&quot; &quot;overrun,&quot; and &quot;destroy,&quot; at section 649; with &quot;booty,&quot; 
&quot;spoil,&quot; and &quot;prey,&quot; at section 793; and with &quot;taking,&quot; &quot;catohiiig,&quot; 
&quot;seizing,&quot; &quot;carrying away,&quot; &quot;stealing,&quot; &quot;thieving,&quot; &quot;depredation,&quot; 
&quot;pilfering,&quot; &quot;larceny,&quot; &quot;robbery,&quot; &quot;marauding,&quot; &quot;embezzlement,&quot; 
&quot;filch,&quot; &quot;pilfer,&quot; and &quot;purloin,&quot; at sections 791, 792, (Sears' Ed. 
1866.) In Abbott's Law Dictionary &quot;plunder&quot; is said to be often 
used to express the idea of taking property without right to do so; 
but not as expressing the. nature of the wrong involved, or necessarily 
imputing a felonious intent. 2 Abb. Dict. 284, word, &quot;Plunder.&quot; In 
Bouvier's Law Dictionary it is limited to the idea of capturing prop- 
erty from a public enemy on land; but &quot;plunderage&quot; is defined as a 
maritime term for the &quot;embezzlement&quot; of goods on board- a ship. 
The word is used in Eev. St. § 5361, in describing an intent as a 
synonym of &quot;despoil,&quot; this being also a section of the act of 1825, 
from which the onewe are considering was taken, Thefirst English 
statute of 7 and 8 Geo. IV. c. 29, § 18, used the words &quot;plunder or 
steal,&quot; but contained a proviso that where things of small value were 
cast onshore and were stolen, without circumstances of violence, the 
offender might be prosecuted for simple larceny ; which shows that 
the statute was not regarded as declaring the crime of larceny sim- 
ply, but something more. Indeed, anciently, the common law would&lt;noinclude&gt;
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or fraudulent intent, it is not to be confined to that specifie intent 
wMch charaoterizes larceny. 1 Bish. Crim. Law, §§ 345, 344, 343, 
207, 206, 205; 1 Whart. Crim. Law, § 297; 2 Whart. Crim. Law, 
§§ 1794, 1800. 
It is said by a learned annotator that the finder of a lost article of 
goods may have three motives — (1) To keep it and use it as his own; 
(2) to keep it for the ovmer when ascertained ; (3) to keep it for a 
reward. 2 Ben. &amp; Heard, Lead. Crim. Cas. (2d Ed.) 431. To which 
may be added, in cases like this, that of depriving the owner of his 
property by destruction, if that can be an intent independent of that to 
use it ae property belonging to the finder, or supposed by him to belong 
to himself, as in this case. I am unable to see any other motive, and 
the ingenuity of counsel bas not satisfactorily suggested any; and I 
eharged the jury in thia case that if the second and third of these 
motives existed this statute was not violated, but if any other were 
found it was, and, it seems to me, clearly so. It was said in argu- 
ment one might drag goods from the river to see if worth saving^ 
and, on examination, supposing them worthless, immediately cast 
them back. I understand the authorities to hold that if kept but 
for a moment with the unlawful intent the crime is complete. 2 
Whart. Crim. Law, § 1789. So, if in the case put the intent were to 
appropriate the goods to his own use, the statute would be violated ; 
but if it were to save them for the owner it would not. However, if 
excused in the case suggested it would not be for want of unlawful 
intent, but because the act of taking had not been completed. 
I consider the case of the U. S. v. Pitman, 1 Sprague, 196,— and 
see The Missouri's Cargo, Id. 260, for a fuller statement of facts, — as 
a direct authority, in support of the charge given to the jury. The 
learned counsel for the defendant, who have defended this case with 
a pertinacity and zeal that charaoterizes all they do, and a profes- 
sional ability that could not be surpassed, — and I say this sincerely, 
and not to assuage defeat, — have gone into an elaborate argument 
and citation of authorities to show that the learned judge in that 
case uses the word &quot;embezzlement&quot; as the synonym of &quot;larceny,&quot; 
which, it is said, was the crime committed, and also that Chancellor 
Kent and other judges have so used the word. I shall not stop to 
inquire whether Pitman could have been convicted of larceny at com- 
mon law, but I doubt it. I think, however, that the court in that 
case did not so use the word, but rather in the sense used in the 
maritime law, as any fraudulent taking by the crew of parts of the 
cargo. 1 Bouv. Die, word, &quot;Embezzlement;&quot; 1 Abb. Dict., sama&lt;noinclude&gt;
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to find a verdict on each separate count, The case in Sprague's Ee- 
ports was passed by the court to counsel early in the proceedings, 
and attention called to ita construction of the words &quot;plunder&quot; and 
&quot;steal;&quot; but the questions on the form of the indictment were not 
raised at the bar, nor suggested to the court, otherwise than by the 
requests for instructions, handed up after the argument. This will 
aocount for any surprise so far as the court may be concerned ; and 
if the fact were that any testimony had been excluded, or ruling 
made, to the prejudice of the defendant, because of the failure of the 
court to detect this peculiarity of the indictment, and because of the 
supposition that we were trying separate offences under it, or any 
injury could have resulted, I should now grant a new trial. But it 
is plain to me that no harm bas been done him by this mode of 
pleading and trial. Even if they had been separate offences — or 
separate indictments, for that matter — they could have been Consoli- 
dated under our statutes and'tried together, Eev. St. § 1024. Again, 
when so consolidated into one indictment, with separate counts, a 
general verdict is proper, and will be sustained if any of the counts 
be good and charge an oEfence. T. &amp; S. Code, (Tenn.) § 5217; 2 
King's Dig. (2d Ed.) §§ 2185, 2003, and cases cited; 1 Arch. Crim. 
PI. (8th Ed.) 292, and notes; U. S. v. Pirates, supra.- 5 Wh. 184; 
U. S. V. Patterson, 6 M. L. 466, 469; U. S. v. Peterson, 1 Wood &amp; M. 
305 ; U. S. V. Seagrist, 4 Bktchf. 420. This last case is a direct 
authority for disregarding the unnecessary separation of a statutory 
offence into several counts where it is made out by proof of acts of 
differing character, but all included in the statutory definition of the 
offence. It was a case where the defendants were indicted very 
much as in this case, under the second section of the act of March 3, 
1835, (4 St. 776, — now Bev. St. § 6359,) for endeavoring to make a 
revolt or mutiny, etc., etc. The court says : 
&quot; It is practically unimportant whether the provisions of the second section 
are expounded as so many instances or methods in which the offence of an 
endeavor to make a revolt or mutiny may be manifested, or whether they 
are taken distributively, and understood to be so many separate and distinct 
offences, each being sufficient of itself to sustain an indictment. The three 
counts of this indictment are so framed as to secure to the United States the 
advantage of either construction. It appears to me, thevefore, that the court 
did not err in instructing the jury that, if the acts charged in the indictment 
were satisfactorily sustained by the evidence, and if the defendant committed 
those acts with intent to resist the master in the free and lawful exercise of 
his authority on board of the vessel, they would amoant, in law, to an en- 
deavor to make a revolt.&quot; At pages 423, 424.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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mainly of goods sold to him by the objecting creditors npon a long 
credit in the winter of 1878, were sold, and the proceeds, $5,074.77, 
applied on said judgment; that the btankrupt was not indebted to 
his brother Henry in any sum whatever; and that the judgment and 
execution were fraudulent and collusive, and for the purpose of pre- 
■venting the property seized from coming to the hands of the assignee 
and being distributed among his creditors. 
In behalf of the bankrupt it is claimed that such a transaction is 
within subdivision 3 of section 5110, and therefore subject to the 
four months' limitation therein prescribed. The particular time of 
the seizure on execution is not stated in the specifications, and 
fchough it sufficiently appears that it must have been within six 
months of the adjudication, it is not stated to have been within four 
months; and I assume that it was not. If the objectors intended to 
rely on subdivision 3, they were bound to state the seizure to have 
been within the time limited by that' subdivision. Not having done 
sb, the specifications cannot be sustained under subdivision 3. 
For the creditors, however, it is claimed that the case falls under 
subdivision 9 of section 5110, as an &quot;indirect&quot; transfer, made in con- 
templation of bankruptcy, for the purpose of preventing the property 
from coming into the hands of the assignee. I have not been re- 
ferred to any case deciding the precise point here presented. 
Whatever the actual facts may be, the statements in the specifica- 
tions must, for the purposes of this hearing, be taken as true. The 
facts stated constitute of themselves an act of bankruptcy, and show 
a collusive judgment and execution sale upon a fictitious claim, for 
the purpose of preventing the property from coming to the hands of 
the assignee. 
In the Shick Case, 2 Ben. 5, this court held that a similar fictitious 
judgment and sale on execution &quot;were in substance and effect, within 
the provisions of section 39, (section 5021,) a transfer of the property 
of the debtor, made by him.&quot; And this was held although section 39 
did not expressly embrace indirect transfers. Subdivision 9 of sec- 
tion 5110 expressly includes &quot;indirect&quot; as well as direct transfers; 
and I cannot doubt that, by the use of that word, it was intended to 
include every device of the bankrupt by which the same purpose and 
effect are accomplished as by a direct transfer. 
It is scarcely credible that in declaring the effect of seizures upon 
execution procured by the bankrupt, as in subdivision 3, the statute 
could have intended to refer to fraudulent and fictitious judgments 
and executions, which, as respects creditors, have uone of the merits&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/284</title>
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Thomas IUchardsow, for plaintiffs. 
No counsel for defendant. 
Blatchford, C. J. This suit is brought on re-issued letters patent 
No. 4,372, granted to Nelson W. Green, one of the plaintiffs, May 9, 
1871, for an &quot;improvemont in the methods of constructing artesian 
■wells;&quot; the original patent, No. 73,425, having been granted to said 
Green, as inventor, January 14, 1868, on an application filed March 
,17, 1866. The specification of the re-issue says: 
&quot; My invention is particularly intended for the construction of artesian 
wells in places where no rock is to be penetrated. The methods of construct- 
ing wells previous to this invention were what have been kno wu &quot;as ' sinking ' 
and ' boring,' in both of which the hole or opening constituting the well was 
produced by taking away a portion of the earth or rock through which it was 
made. This invention consists in producing the well by driving or forcing 
down an instrument' into the grotind untiT it reaohes the water, the hole or 
opening being thus made by a mere • displacement of the earth, which is 
packed around the instrument, and not removed upward from the hole, as it 
is in bqring. The instrument to be employed in producing such a ivell, which, 
to histiiiguish it from ' sunk ' or ' bored ' wells, maybe termed a ' driven well,' 
may be any that is capable of sustaining the blows or pressure necessary to 
drive it into the earth; but 1 pi'efer to eniploy a pointed rod, which, after 
having been driven or forced down until it reaehes the water, I withdraw, 
and replace by a tube made air-tight. throughout its length, except at or near 
its lower end, where I make openings or perforations for the admission of 
water, and through and from which the water may be drawn by any well- 
known or suitable form of purap. In certain soils, the use of a rod prepara- 
toryto the insertion of a tube is unnecessiiry, as the tobeitself, through which 
the water is to be draWn, may be the instrument which produces the well by 
the aet of driving it into the ground to the requisite depth. To enable others 
to make and use my invention, I will proceed to describe it with reference to 
the drawing, in which figure 1 represents a portion of the pointed rod above 
mentioned, and figure 2 a portion of the tube which forms the casing or lin- 
ing of the well. TJie driving rod. A, I coustruct of woad or irou or othcr 
metal, or of parts, of each, with a sharp point, 6, of steel or otherwise, to pene- 
trate the earth, and a slight s well, a, a short distance: above the point, to, make 
the hole slightly larger than the generaldiameterof the rod. This rod I 
drive.bya.falling weight or other power, into the earth, uritil its point passes 
sufliciently far into the water to procure the desiredsupply. I thea withdraw 
the rod and insert in its place the air-tight iron or wooden tube, B, which 
may be slightly coutracted at its lower end, to insure its easy passage to its 
place. In gener.'il, this tube, B, I make.of iron, and of a thickness that will 
bear a, force applied at its upper extremity sufflcieiit to drive or force it to 
its place; aud, where a large or continuous flow of water is deslred, I per- 
forate this, tube near its lower end, to admit the water more freely to the 
inside. The perforations, c, ni^ybe about oaerhalf of .an inch in diameter, 
less or more, and from one to eue and a luilf inches apart, and the perforations&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/290</title>
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sense of the specification, till the pump is put on by an air-tight 
connection, in suoli a way that, by the use of the pump, the whole 
process can resuit in causing water to issue from the further upper 
end of what is so conuected with the top of the tube. The construc- 
tion of a well, spoken of in the specification as the invention made, 
and which it must be presumed was intended to be secured, is, thus, 
not merely the displacement of the earth by driving down the instru- 
ment or the tube, but is, in addition, having the air-tight tube in 
the earth with the earth packed around it, and a process arranged, 
by the meehanical aid of a pump, attached by an air-tight connection 
to the tube, for causing the water to enter the perforations at the 
lower end of the tube and issue from the upper end of the tube. 
What particular forces are in operation to produee this process of 
obtaining water, when the well is not a flowing well, is of no impor- 
tance. The specification need not explain, The meehanical means 
are fully explained which resuit in the obtaining of the water, from 
the commencement of the driving. The process of obtaining the 
water comprehends all the ste,ps which form part of that process, as 
they resuit from or attend the meehanical means set forth. The pro- 
cess consists in having an air-tight tube with the earth tightly packed 
around it, resulting from compacting the earth by displacing it by 
driving a rod or the tube, and having a pump attached at the top of 
the tube by an air-tight connection, and, by the operation of the 
pump, obtaining a supply of water at the top. In describing how 
the invention is made and used, so as to enable others to make and 
use it, the description inoludes driving the rod, putting in the air- 
tight tube, and having the pump, and obtaining a continuons supply 
of water. The invention being thus defined in the specification, the 
claim is to be construed as broadly as the invention, unless neces- 
sarily restricted by the langaage used in the claim. The claim is : 
&quot; The process of constructing wells by driving or forcing an instrument 
into the ground until it is projected into the water, without removing the 
earth upward, as it is in boring, substantially as described.&quot; 
Where the well is a flowing well, the water will flow as soon as the 
hole is made, and to make the hole by driving and displacement, and 
insert the tube and have the water flow, develops the process. 
Where the well is not a flowing well, the pump, in addition, is neces- 
sary, and the use of the pump in the well so made is a use of the 
process. Driving or forcing an instrument into the ground until it ia 
projected into the water, without removing the earth upward aa it is 
in boring, is an essential element in the process, in either case ; and,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/316</title>
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sami&gt;Ies of ore were taken from all parts of the vein, and found to 
odntain silver and lead. The rnups put before you by plaintiff to show 
the condition of the groundgive the vein as extending from one claim 
to the other; and clearly that is the position assumed. 
On the other hand, defendants contend that the ground in eontro- 
versy is so broken, and the several parts so intermingled, that there 
is not, and cannot be, a body of ore extending for any considerable 
distance through any part of it. They have many witnesses to testify 
to that condition of the ground. They concede that in the ground in 
Icontroversy there are detached fragments,, particles, and perhaps 
masses of ore intermingled with the country rock in the like fragments, 
particles, and masses; but they deny that there is anything like a 
continuons body or sheet of ore extending from one daim to the other. 
And this is the question in issue. It is pretty nearly a direct issue 
between the witnesses for the plaintiff and the witnesses for the 
defendants, and, as you give credit to one party or the other, you 
should find the fact. . I don't think that I can in any manner make 
it clearer to you. I have to say, also, that the burden of proof is upon 
the plaintiff by a preponderance of testimony to establish the facts 
which are necessary to support a finding in its favor; and the fact 
mainly in issue, as I have stated to you, is : What is the condition of 
this ground extending from one of these daims into the other? 
A good deal has been said by the witnesses as to whether there is 
a top or apex of the vein. That depends, gentlemen, very much as 
to whether there is any vein or Iode there. If you find that there is 
a vein or Iode, to my mind the evidence is clear enough that the top 
of it is in the Lime location; and if there is none there, of course that 
which does not exist, does not exist in any part — it does not exist by 
its top nor by its bottom, nor anywhere between the two poirats. 8o 
that it is, gentlemen, a question of the credibility of witnesses. The 
testimony is strongh' conflicting— I don't think Ihave ever known a 
case in which it was more so; and, as I have said, the question is as 
to which one of these theories you will accept. 
Now, I ought to say to you, further, that as to this ore body that i 
have spoken of, whether it is of greater or less exteut-^that is, whether 
it is very thin or very thick — is immaierial. If it extends, as claimed 
by the plaintiff, from their claim to and into the othei-, the strength 
of the vein is not material. Their position. is, as you remember, that 
it extends all the.way from their claim to&quot;a.nd into the other, sO far as 
it has been explored, and it is not material whet lier it is stroug or 
wealv, il it. extends in the manner described by them. :&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/320</title>
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of trust only by payaient of the debt. The plaintiff 's remedies were 
concurrent, and it had the right to pursue both or either, provided 
one satisfaction only was received. Jones on Mortgages, § 1215 et 
seq.; Gilman 7. Telegraph Co. 91 U. S. 603. The motion is overruled. 
United States v. Townsbnd and others, Executors.* 
(Gircuit Court, E. B. Penntylmnia. July 8, 1881.) 
1. Tax on Lbgacibs — Whbn it Accbotid — Bbmaindbb Afteb Lifb Ebtatb — 
aots of congbbss. 
A testator died in 1863, leaving by his will the income of his estate to his 
wife for life, and directed the corpus to be divided at her death among his 
children and grandchildren in certain shares. The widow died Deoember 15, 
1876. Jleld, that the legacy tax impoaed upon the shares of the children and 
grandchildren by the' act of July 1, 1862, accrued at the dea:th of the testator, 
and was therefore net repealed by the acts of June 30, 1864; and July 14, 1870. 
2. Same— Act dp July 13, 1866. 
The provision of the aot of July 13, 1866, deflning the time when the legacy 
tax accruing under the act of 1864 is due, has no relation to the act of 18^, or 
to taxes Which had accrued under it. 
Clappy. MC'SontH^. B. 589,4uiHn,guished. , 
Motion for judgment upon the following speciar verdict in a suit 
brought by the United States to recover a legaoy tax: 
«The jury flnd— 
&quot;(1) That Bobert V. Massey, late of the city of Philadelphia,,died on the 
eighth day of June, 1863; that he left Burviving his widow, Anna K. Massey, 
and issue, three children^ ajid the issue of a son whp died in his life-time., (2) 
That by his will, which after his death was duly admitted to probate at Phil- 
adelphia, and whereof the defendants are the surviving executors, duly qual- 
ified, he gave to his wife the ineome for her life of all his residuary estate, 
and at her death directed the same to be divided among his children and 
grandchild in certain shares therein set out. (3) That the peraonalty consti- 
tuting the residue of the testator'9 estate was ascertained and adjudicated, by 
the settlement of the accpunts of his executors in the orphans' court for the 
city and county of Philadelphia, to be the sum of $149,71450. (4) That the 
widow, having received the income on this fund during her life, died oh the 
fifteenth day of December, 1876. 
&quot;If, under the above facts, the court shall be of opinion that under the act 
of congress approved July 1, 1862, there accrued a tax of three-quarters of 1 
per cent, to the United States on the above fund, which was or became pay- 
able at and after the death of the widow hi said testator, then the jury flnd 
for the plaintifE in the sum of $1,122.85. But if, under the above facts, the 
court shall be of opinion that the personalty aforesaid is not chargeable with 
any such tax as aforesaid, then the jury flud for the defendants.&quot; 
♦Roported by Frank P. Prichard, Esq., of the FhJladelphia bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/344</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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nation of certain mechariism for holding the sole or heel of the shoe 
(or both) to be polished with the mechanism of the polishing tool, 
under such conditions of mechanical combination that either the 
holding mechanism ean be so moved as to bring the heel of the shoe 
in proper relations to the poHshing tool, or the polishing tool can be 
so operated as to bring it into proper relations with the heel by 
means of the holding mechanism; and his judgment was that in the 
defendant's machine there is no attompt to combine a shoe-holding 
mechanism with the polishing tool so that the two will operate prop- 
erly together. 
The criticism made upon his statement that there is no attempt in 
the defendant's machine to combina a shoe-holding mechanism with 
the polishing tool, so that the two will operate properly together, is 
unwarranted, because it is obvions that he does not mean any kind of 
shoe-holding mechanism, but refers to such as travel in a fixed path in 
relation to the polishing tool, and within certain limits maintainsthe 
heel adjustably in this relation. 
Aside from the weight to be accorded to his judgment as author- 
ity, I agree with his conclusions both as to the construction of the 
complainant's patents and as to the question of infringement, and 
am of the opinion that in the defendant's machine the shoe-holding 
mechanism of the complainant's patent is dispensed with. 
It may be forcibly urged that a narrower construction of the com- 
plainant's patents should be adopted than was necessary in the case 
before Judge Shepley, or is necessary in this case. There is much 
to indicate that in the Ingalls &amp; Budding patents the shoe-holding 
mechanism is designed to hold the shoe rigidly, although the mechan- 
ism itself is to be adjustable in its relations with the polishing tool 
by the manipulation of the operator, and is especially contrived with 
this view. Plainly, the object of the second Budding patent was to 
remove the practical difficulty resulting from this feature of the 
mechanism, and he devised a mechanism which could be more freely 
manipulated by the operator, thus allowing the shoe to be more freely 
turned and guided. But it does not appear to have been conceived 
by Budding that the true way to obviate the difaculty was by dis- 
pensing with all deviees for rigidly holding the shoe during the polish- 
ing operation, and substituting such as would enable the operator to 
guide and control the shoe by holding it in his hands. If the correct 
construction of complainant's patents requires that one element of 
their combination shall consist of a holding mechanism, in which the 
shoe is rigidly h'eld by the mechanism, the defendant, by dispensing&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/348</title>
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giving credit to her under those circumstances which, by the mari- 
time law, create a lien. It is a singular circumstance that, in the 
case of The Globe, Judge Nelson apparently makes this very consider- 
ation a reason for giving priority to the material man making the 
first attachment, although it would not seem to be a reason for adopt- 
ing such a rule of procedure. Thus he says : 
&quot;It has been argued that this maiitime lien for supplies and material fur- 
nished at a foreign port is an abiding claim and adheres to the vessel, and 
may be enforced over all claims of a like nature subsequently accruing in the 
course of her employaient., I cannot assent to this position.. On the con- 
trary, I am satisfled that the true rule upon the subject is that, in respect to 
maritime liens of this description, the party first instituting legal proceed- 
ings, for the pupose of enforeing his claim against the vessel, is entitled to 
satisfaction out of the proceeds of her sale. Upon any other view the vessel 
would afford no reasonable security to the merchant in making the advances 
or furnishing the necessary supplies, as, for aught he could know, the exist- 
ing claims against her might exceed her value. It is apparent that ,to give 
this maritime lien the efficacy claimed would greatly embarrass and obstruct 
the commerce and navigation of the country. It would deprive the master 
in distant ports of the means bf meetingthe exigencies of the service, because 
the vessel would furnish no adequate security for the necessary supplies or 
repairs.&quot; 
The learned judge then cites with approval Judge Betts' definition 
of a maritime lien, as an additional grOund for giving the preference 
to the first attachment. I think* therpfore, it must be conceded that 
at least one of the grounds upon which Judge Nelson approved this 
rule of priority in the case of material men has no application what- 
everto cases of successive claims founded in tort; as, for instance, 
claims for damages by collision or negligence. In these cases the 
.creditors acquiring a lien are such ininvitum. There is no credit given 
to the vessel. There is no consideration of the necessities of com- 
merce requiring the security of the whole value of the vessel as a 
pledge for a henefit canferred upon the faith of it, to influence the deter- 
mination of the question of priority. As to the other ground on 
which this rule of priority is based, — the nature of a maritime lien,— 
in fact the sole ground on which the case of The Triumph appears to 
proceed, it must also be conceded that later cases of the highest au- 
thority in this country and in England have held &quot;the meaning and 
efficacy of a maritime lien&quot; to be something. very different from a 
&quot;privilege to arrest the vessel for the debt which, of itself, constitutes 
no, encumbranee on the vessel, and beconxes such only by virtue of an 
actual attachment&quot; as it is defiued in the case of TIic Triumph.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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narrow channel, and being thereby strained and hogged, is to be 
attributed to the fact that she was not equipped with an anchor, and 
to the negligence of her owners in not sooner getting her ont of the 
dangerous place in which she was lying, or in not finding for her in 
Guilford creek a safer place to lie in ; and that this subsequent dam- 
age ia not properly attributable to the casting of her adrift on the 
sound, even if the tug is responsible for the damages direetly arising 
from so leaving her adrift. No doubt it was incumbent on the mas- 
ter of the oanal-boat.who was also one of the owners, to take all 
reasonable measures for the prompt rescue of his boat from the per- 
lions position in which she had been put. But, without going at 
length into the evidence, it is enpugh to dispose of this point to say 
that upon the proofs he acted with diligence and roasonably good 
judgment in his endeavors to rescue her, but before he could succeed 
in doing so a severe southerly storm came on, whioh drove the sea 
into Guilford creek, caused her to drag her anchor, and was the 
means of her getting across the channel, so that when the tide fell 
she was badly injured, her center sinking down some three feet as 
she lay across the channel, with her bow on one bank and her stem 
on the other. Upon his discovering her in Guilford creek, her master 
returned to New Haven and endeavored to get the aid of a small tug 
which should be able to enter Guilford creek and tow her out. It is 
evident that the Fowler could not do this. She drew too much water 
to enter the creek. And it is evident, also, from the testimony of the 
master of the canal-boat himself, that he knew this, and did not ex- 
pect or ask the captain of the tug to render this service, and that all 
the further aid he looked for, if any, from the Fowler was to tow her 
to New York after he had succeeded in getting her out of Guilford 
creek and had brought her to New Haven, which he gave the captain 
of the tug to understand that he was going to do. Nor does the evi- 
dence sustain the contention of the claimants that there was any 
safer place for the canal-boat to lie in, in or near Guilford creek, 
than that in which the salvors put her and where her master found 
her. As to the want of an anchor, assuming that a canal-boat upon 
a ■Voyage from New London to New York is hnseaworthy if she bas 
no anchor, which is the contention of the claimants, — although there 
is a very considerable weight of evidence in the case that a custom 
or usage has grown up for the tug to carry ground-tackle enough to 
hold herself and the tow in case it becomes necessary to anchor, and 
for this class of coal-boats navigating the sound to go without an-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Tracey was without fault. There must be a decree for the libellant, 
with costs, and it is referred to a master, to be appointed by the court, 
(unless the parties agree upon the person,) to take proofs as to the 
libellant's damages, and report, with his opinion thereon, to the court. 
As to the steam-boat Connecticut, as to which the libel was dis- 
missed upon the hearing of the cause, I think she was censurable, 
though not legally in fault, and is not entitled to costs. 
Upon the trial of the qause a motion was made, upon the petition 
of one of the owners of the Sears, to limit the liability of the owners, 
which, by understanding between counsel for the parties, was to be 
consideredin connection with the proofs taken upon the trial of the 
cause, and decided if the main question should be found against the 
Sears. It appears from the proofs, and there are no allegations in 
thepetition inconsistent with the faot, that the Sears was employed 
in river navigation upon the Hudson river, and not elsewhere. The 
provisions of the statutes for limiting the liability of the owners of 
vesssels do not appy to the owners of any vessel used in rivers or 
inland navigation. Eev. St. § 4289. It was held by Judge Drum- 
mond (The War Eagle, 6 Biss. 364) that a vessel employed on the 
upper Mississippi was within the excepted class; and, while much 
might be said in favor of the position that section 4289 refers only 
to such rivers as are inland, as distinguished from public navigable 
waters, that decision must be recognized as controlling here, both 
because its reasoning is satisfactory and as an authority it is entitled 
to high respect. • ' 
The prayer of the petition must be denied. 
The Julia Shbrwood. 
{District Court, E. D. New York. July 25, 1881.) 
Exceptions to Libbl— Likn Undeii the Laws of New Yobk. 
Exceptions being filed to a libel claiming a lien upon a yessel for repairs and 
supplies in the port of New York, under the statute of the state, alleging that 
no Jacts were stated snfHcient to constitute a cause of action, that no lien ex- 
istcd, and that the cause of action was not one of admiralty and maritime 
jurisdiotion: Held, that the exceptions were not well taken ; that the filing of 
specifications was not a necessary averment where it appeared that the vessel 
had not left the port ; and that the statement of the libel that the work was 
done on a domestlc vessel, in her home port, at the request of +he owner, and 
.tfieclajm wassought to be enforced within a mon th. were sufflcient to create a 
lien under the statute of the state of New York which may be enforced in the 
admiralty.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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writing was entered in the action, reciting that the action had been 
brought to a trial by the court, a trial by jury h'aving been duly 
waived, and a decision having been rendered for the plaintiff and filed, 
and adjudging that the plaintiff recover of the defendant $4,814.03. 
with $192.63 costs; in all, $5,006.66. It appears from the record 
that the interest included in the $4,814.03 was computed only up 
to March 5, 1879, and that in the $192.63 costs is included $116.09 
interest from March 5, 1879, which appears to have been the day of 
the trial. There is in the record a bill of exceptions, but there does 
not appear &lt;o be any assignment of errors in the district court or in 
this court. The bill of exceptions discloses exceptions by the defend- 
ant to decisions of the court at the trial overruling objections taken 
by the defendant to the admission of evidence offered by the plain- 
tiff, and exceptions by the defendant to refusais of the court, after 
the evidence on both sides was closed, to rule and decide in accordance 
with propositions made to the court by the defendant, and exceptions 
by the defendant to rulings and decisions by the court after the evi- 
dence on both sides was closed, and exceptions by the defendant to 
certain of the said andings of fact made by the court, and exceptions 
by the defendant to all of the said conclusions of law f ound by the court. 
The plaintiff in error seeks to raise on the writ of error, by the bill 
of exceptions, questions as to the sufficiency of the proceedings to 
bind the town, as to the validity of the bonds, as to the power of the 
bank to purchase the coupons sued on, as to the operation and effect 
of a written agreement under which the bonds passed from the town 
commissioners, as to the portion of the bank a? a bonafide holder of the 
coupons, as to the status of the town as having returned the stock 
taken in exchange for the bonds, and generally as to the liability of 
the town on the bonds and coupons. None of these questions are so 
presented as to be the subject of consideration and revision by this 
court on the bill of exceptions, and the judgment below must, for the 
reasons herein often stated, be affirmed, without considering any of 
the above questions, except so far as they are raised by the demur- 
rer hereafter mentioned. 
It is provided, by section 566 of the Revised Statutes, that — 
&quot;The trial of issues of fact in the district courts in all causes, except cases in 
equity, and cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, and except as other- 
wise provided in proceeding in bankruptcy, shall he by jury.&quot; 
There is no statutory provision in respect to district courts for the 
waiver of a trial by jury. There was Biich a provision in respect to 
circuit courts, in section 649 of the Revised Statutes, as follows:&lt;noinclude&gt;
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trustee to pay the income to his wife during her life, and after her death to 
divide the principal among such of his children, or the issue of the deceased 
children, as should be living at the death of his wife, and, in default of chil- 
dren or their issue, he gave the estate to such persons as would have taken 
under the intestate law had testator died at that time. Testator's widow died 
February 14, 1872, leaving three children surviving. If the court should be 
of opinion that the testator's estate was liable to legacy tax, then verdict for 
plaintiff for $1,314.85. If the court should be of opinion that the estate was 
liable also for the penalty for non-payment, then verdict for plaintiff for 
$1,794.78. If the court should be of opinion that the estate was not liable to 
the tax, then verdict for defendant. 
John K. Valentine, U. S. Dist. Att'y, for plaintiff. 
O. Heide Norris, for defendant. 
Btjtlee, D. J. Judgment must be entered on the special verdict 
for the defendant. The testator having died in 1867, the daim of 
the govemment rests on the act of 1864, as modified in 1866. As 
the beneficiaries under the will, whose interests are sought to be 
taxed, did not become entitled to the possession or enjoyment of the 
property until the death of Maria Mercer, in February, 1872, and the 
statute imposing the tax was repealed in 1870, no liability to the 
government accrued. This case is identical with U. S. v. Hazard, 
decided at this term, and what is there said need not be repeated here. 
Section 3 of the act of July 1, 1862, (12 St. 485.) provided as fol- 
lows: 
&quot; That any person or persons having iii charge or trust as administrators, 
executors, or trustees of any legacies or distributive shares arising from Per- 
sonal property of any kind whatsoever, where the whole amount of such Per- 
sonal property as aforeaaid shall exceed the sum of $1,000 in actual value 
passing from any peraon who may die after the passage of this act, possessed 
of such property, either by will or by the intestate laws of any state or terri- 
tory, or any part of such property or interest therein, transferred by deed, 
grant, bargain, sale or gift, naade or intended to take effect in possession or 
enjoyment after the death of the grantor or bargainor, to any person or per- 
sons, or to any body or bodies politic or corporate, in trust or othervvise, shall 
be, and hereby are, made subject to a duty or tax, to be paid to the United 
States, as follows, that is to say: 
&quot; First. Where the person or persous entitled to any beneficiai interest in 
such property shall be the liueal issue or lineal ancestor, brother or sister, to 
the person who died possessed of such property, as aforesaid, at and after the 
rate of 75 cents for each and every hundred dollars of the clear value of such 
interest in such property.&quot; * * * 
The act of June 30, 1864, (13 St. 286,) provided : 
&quot; Sec. 124. That any person or persons having in charge or trust, as admin- 
istrators, executors, or trustees, any legacies or distributive shares arising 
from Personal property, where the whole amount of such personal prop&lt;noinclude&gt;
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assessed, or accruing under the provisions of former acts, or drawbaeks, the 
right to which has already acerued or which may hereafter accrue under said 
acts, and for maintaining and continuing liens, fines, penalties, and forfeit- 
ures incurred under and by virtue thereof. And this act shall not be eon- 
strued to aflect any act done, right acerued, or penalty incurred under former 
acts, but every such right is hereby saved.&quot; 
FussELL V. Hughes and another.* 
Same V. Grbqg. 
(Ovreuit Cowt, N. D. Ohio, W. D. August, 1881.) 
1. ViKoraiA MillTABY DisTKicT IN Ohio— ACT OP CouaBEBS Oi&quot; Mahch 23, 1804 
— OONSTBUCTION OF— WHBII EnTKIBS, BUBTETS, AND RbTUENB RkQUIEBD TO 
BB MaDB. 
By the act of congress of March 23, 1804, entitled &quot;An act to ascertain the 
boundary of the lands reserved by the state of Virginia,&quot; etc., in Ohio, for the 
satisfaction of her offlcers and soldiers, and to limit the period for locating the 
same, a completed location whhin three years, and a survey and return thereof, 
with the original or certifled copy of the warrant on which they were founded, 
to the general land-offlce, within flve years from the passage of the act, were 
made conditions precedent, without compliance with which no one entitled to 
bounty land in that district could obtain a patent ; and by section 3 of that act 
all lands in the reserved territory not thus effectually appropriated within these 
prescrlbed times should thenceforth cease to constitute a nart of the reserved 
territory of the Virginia military district, should be released from all claimsfor 
such bounty lands by virtue of any location or survey not then completed and 
returned, and should become thereby the property of the United States, to be 
disposed of as part of its public lands, free from any trust in favor of the sol- 
diers of Virginia. 
2. Bame — Same— Subsequent Statutbs— Extendinq Timb of Entbt, etc. — Act 
op 1804 Revivbd and Contdiubd. 
The subsequent statutes extending the period of time for making valid en- 
tries, surveys, and returns of surveys, so as to entitle the party to a patent, 
although the third section of the act of March 23, 1804, was not repeated 
therein, are to be taken as reviving the entire law, includmg the third section, 
as if the latter had been inoorporated with each new enaotment, so that the 
consequences of a failure to take the steps required to procure a patent within 
the periods from time to time liraited, prescribed in the third section, follow 
and apply to each successive extension of the time of grace. 
3. Same. 
Ail entries and surveys made prior to January 1, 1852, and of which no re- 
turn, with the original warrant or a certifled copy thereof, had then been made 
to the general land office, are vacated and made void, so that they cannot law- 
fully serve as the basis of patents ; the land covered by them lapsing into the 
general body of the public lands and no longer constituting any portion of the 
Virginia military reservation of bounty lands. 
♦Beported by S. O. Harper, Esq., of the Cincinnati, bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/412</title>
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, Chamberlain ». Marshali and others.* 
. (Gireait Court, N. B. OMo, W. D. August, 1881.) 
1. EQtrtTT — Bill Quia Timet—Requisites of. 
In order to maintain a bill quia Umet, the complainant must have a clear Ies:al 
and equitable title oonnected with possession, and the pretended title or right 
which is alleged to be acloud upon his title must not only be clearly invalid 
or inequitable, but must be such as may, either now or in the future, embarrass 
the real owner in controverting it. 
A' ViBGINIA MlLITATST DlS-TBICT IN OhIO— TlTLES TO LANDS IN— JIQUITT PKACTICB 
m U. s. Courts— Bill to Quibt Titlb— Remedy at La w— Action undbk 
Section 5779, OhioRet. Bt. 
On March 17, 1807, M. entered 100 acres of land in the Virginia military dis- 
trict in Ohio, under a Virginia military warrant, which was surveyed, and, on 
November 28, 1823, and April 6, 1824, the entry and survey were recorded in the 
surveyor's office of the district. In July, 1877, the entry and survey were re- 
turned to the land-office and a patent issued thereon to M. 's heirs. In 1842 
these lands, standing in the name of M. , became delinquent for taxes and were 
gold to A., to whom a tax deed was executed and through whom the complain- 
ant claims title. His predecessors in title entered into actual possession in 
1849, slnce which time their and his possession has been under oolbr of title, 
adverse, notorious, and uninterrupted. 
It seeins (1) that the entry and survey not having been returned to the land- 
dffice iihtil after ianuary 1, 1852, that they'were vacated and annulled ; (2) that 
the patent to M. 's heirs was issued without authority of law, and is void; (3) 
,that the legal title. is still vested \tx the United States ; (4) that the tax title, being 
dependent upon the entry and survey of 31. , f ails with them, and that the com- 
'' plainant has only a naked legal possession. 
(See opinion of Mr. Justice Matthews in Fussdl v. Hughes, supra.) 
Hed, (1) that a bilI qtiia Umet, as known in the chancery practice, cannot 
be maintained ; (2) that, although section 5779, Itev. St. of Ohio, may author- 
ize'tfh'e complainant to commence an action for the determination of the ad- 
. Vferse interest of the defendant, the complainant has a complete and adequate 
remedyat laWi and qannot maintain a suit in equity in the courts of the United 
States, to determine, such interest. 
In Equity. : 
William Lawrence, for complainant. 
Jereiniah Hall, for [defendants. 
Matthews, Justice. This is a bill in equity to establish and quiet 
the title of the complainant to a tract of land of 100 acres in Logan 
connty, OMo, described as Virginia military entry and sarvey No. 
,5275. The complainant is a citizen of Ohio; the defendant, of Vir- 
.gipria. ! 
.1 The facts of the case, 80 farais material, are as follows: 
On March 17, 1807, Robert Marsliall, the ancestorof the defendants, entered 
a Virginia military warrant, No. 1763, for 100 acres, being entry No. 5275, 
which was surveyed, and the entry and survey recorded in the surveyor'a oltico- 
*Reported by J. C. Harjjer, Ks&lt;i., of the CIDC.auutj bur.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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In the fall of 1849 the grantees entered into actual possession o£ the tract, 
enclosed it, cleared it in part, built a dwelling upon it, cultivatea, and other- 
wise improved it. This possession has ever since been kept up by their suc- 
cessors in the title, the present complainant deriving title by several mesne 
conveyances f rom them. Since the fall of 1849 the possession of the com- 
plainant has been, with that of his predecessors, under color of title, adverse, 
open, notorious, and oniiiterrupted. Prior to that time the tract was in forest 
and not redncedto any actual occupancy. 
On November 20, 1879, the defendants in this suit commenced in this court 
their action at law against the complainant to recover possession of the land 
in contre versy. 
The object and prayer of the bill in this suit is that the patent be cancelled, 
and perpetually to enjoin the prosecution by the defendants of their action at 
law; that they be required to release and convey all elaira to the land to the 
complainant, and to establish and quiet the title and possession of the com- 
plainant. 
The claim of the complainant is that he is in possession of the land, with 
a complete and perfect equitable title as against the defendants, which hebas 
a^ right to haye established and quieted by the process of this court. 
This claim is based on three grounds: 
(1) That the patent of January 25, 1878, is void, there being at that time no 
law in force authorizing its issue, and that consequently the naked legal title 
is outstandihg in the United States ; (2) that the tax title under which the 
complainant, and those through and from whom he derived title, claim, if not 
shown by the proof to be suflEicient and valid, will, after long-continued ad- 
verse possession, under such circumstances as are shown in proof, be presumed 
to be good ; (3) that a similar presumption will arise that the original equity 
of Robert Marshall, under his entry and survey, to a patent, was transferred 
and conveyed to the complainant, or those under and through whom he derives 
title. 
It is obvious that this bill cannot be supported as a bill qxda timet, as 
. known to the equity jurisprudence of chancery courts. In describing 
the grounds of that jurisdiction, the supreme court of the United 
States, in the case of Phelps v. Harris, 101 U. S. 376, say: 
&quot; The questions, what constitutes such a cloud upon the title, and what 
character of title the complainant himself must have in order to authorize a 
court of equity to assume jurisdiction of the case, are to be decided upon prin- 
ciples which have long been established in those courts. Prominent among 
these are — Fi7-st, that the title or right of the complainant must be clear; and, 
seoondly, that the pretended title or right, which is alleged to be a cloud upon 
it, must not only be clearly invalid or inequitable, but must be such as may, 
either at the present or at a future time, embarrass the real o vvner in controvert- 
ing it. For it is held that when the complainant himself has no title, or a 
doubtful title, he cannot have this relief.&quot; &quot;ihoseonly,&quot; said Mr. Justice 
Grier, &quot;who have a clear, legal, and equitable title toland, conneeted with pos- 
session, have any right to claim the interference of a court of equity to give 
them peace, or dissipate a cloud in their title.&quot; 
Orton V. Smith, 18 How. 265; and see Ward v. Chamberlain, 2&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/424</title>
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In V. S. V. Stone, 2 Wall. 535, Mr. Justice Grier said : 
&quot; Patents are sometimes issued unadvisedly or by inistake, when the officer 
has no authority in law to grant them, or when another party has a higher 
equity and should have received the patent. In such cases, courts of law will 
pronounce them void. The patent is but evidence of a grant, and the offleer 
who issues it acts ministerially and not judicially. ii he issues a patent for 
land reserved from sale by law, such patent is void for want of authority.&quot; 
On the other hand, if the, patent is valid at law, but voidable in 
equity, it naust be by reasori of some superior equity on the part of 
the eomplainant that entitles him to charge it with a trust in his 
favor, or to restrain the defendant froin an inequitable use of it, to his 
injury; but the complainant asserts none such now in this prooeed- 
ing, and insists on treafiiig it as utterly without any legal force what- 
ever. If the complainant should admit that the effect of the patent 
was to put the legal title in the defendant, and allege equitable 
grounds whereby it would enure to his benefit, or grounds on which 
it should be cancelled as having been obtained in fraud of his equi- 
table rights, there would be place for the exercise of equitable juris- 
diction; but the controversy aa he makes it, on the bill and proof, is 
a contest between adverse claimsof . a purely legal nature. Such a 
controversy is only to be settled in a court of lawj according to the 
principles and methods and under the guaranties of the common law. 
It follows that the bill must be dismissed; butj of course, without 
prejudice to the rights of either capable of being enforced in the 
pending action at law, and also without prejudice to the complain- 
ant's right to file a bill in equity hereafter, in the event it should be 
decided in the action at law that the defendant's patent is valid to 
pass to him the legal title, to charge him as trustee, and eompel a 
conveyanoe on any equitable ground the complainant may be able 
to establish. 
See FusHell y. Hughes, supra.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/436</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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■ As Gillies was called as a witness merely, and not in any pro- 
oeeding by his firm as such, his refusai to answer was a matter 
wbolly Personal. It is of no consequence in -wlaose ultimate interest 
his refusai to answer was made—whether for the firm's beneat or 
the bankrupt's, or otherwise. If adjudged in contempt, the punish- 
ment or penalty must have been personal, and so also are the ex- 
penses of this reference in the endeavor on his part to justify his 
refusai. For this reason the taxation of the bill, as against the firm, 
must be overruled. The views of the court have been expressed on 
the other points raised, to enable the parties to adjust the matter 
between themselves without further application to the court. 
JuDsoN, Assignee, etc., v. The Cotjbiee Co. 
(District Court, S. D. New York. July 23, 1881.) 
1. AGKEEMBiras BBTWEBN Creditoks— Pbbpbrences— Rbt. St. § 5128. 
A transfer, by one in failing circumstances, of the greater portion of his 
assets to. a crediter is not void under section 5128 of the Hevised Statutes, as 
involving unlawful preference of such crediter, where all known creditors, and 
all whom the grantee suspected were creditors, and all the creditors of whose 
existence he was bound to know, joined in the arrangement under which the 
transfer was made; though such crediter thereby secured a preference. 
In Equity. 
E. H. Penn, for complainant. 
Hamilton Cote, for defendant. 
Bbown, D. J. This action was brought to have declared void a 
transfer of the effects of Montgomery Queen, a bankrupt, to the de- 
fendant, one of his creditera, made on October 27, 1877, and to 
recover the proceeds, or the value thereof. 
The proceedings in bankruptoy were commenced by petition of the 
bankrupt on February 8, 1878, and the plaintiff was thereafter duly 
appointed his assignee. 
In October, 1877, the bankrupt was the owner of what was known 
as Queen's traveling circus and menagerie, which he had for several 
years prior thereto been engaged in exhibiting about the country. 
The defendant, a printing company of Buffalo, New York, had been 
accustomed to do bis printing, for which he was usually considerably 
in debt to them, paying on a running account as was found con- 
venient. In October, 1877, thia. indeb tedness amounied to abou 
$18,000, but up to that time the defendant had no reason io believe&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/456</title>
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circumstances, the United States patent is to take its departure. 
And that, as be^ore in practice, United States patents were granted 
for 14 years, and patents for inventions previously patented abroad 
to the same inventer were before limited to 14 years from the .date 
or publication &quot;of the foreign patent,&quot; so now, under the new Sys- 
tem introduced by the act of 1861, such a patent (still to be granted, 
otherwise, in accordanee with the provisions of the act of 1836 and 
1839) was to remain in force 'for 17 years from &quot;the date or publi- 
cation&quot; of the foreign patent, while the United States patents were 
to remain in force for 17 years, instead of 14 years, froru their &quot;date 
of issue;&quot; the privilege of having them &quot;take date&quot; from a date not 
exceeding six months prior to the actual issue, as the &quot;date of issue,&quot; 
under section 8 of the act of 1836, being still preserved, and sufth 
patents expiringl7 years from such &quot;date of issue,&quot; and not 17 years 
from the actual issuihg. There is nothing in these views that is 
inconsistent with or does violence to the language of section 16 of the 
act of . 1861, and they are in harmony with the course of . legislation. 
Contrary views would determine that there ' Was, by section 16 of the 
act of 1861, a sudden, unexpressed, and only implied change of the 
poliey of section 6 of the act of 1839, then in force for 22 years; such 
policy making the terms of patents, like those in the present case, 
take date from the date or publication of the foreign patent, and rtm 
from that time for the same time other United States patents ran, 
from their time of beginning to run. And such contrary views would 
establish an enlargement of term, by the act of 1861, in favor of an 
invention previously patented abroad; such enlargement remaining 
in force till 1870, and then curtailed in 1870 so as to be more narrow 
than under the act of 1839, and to make the United States patent 
expire at the same time with the foreign patent having the shortest 
term. 
No argument can be drawn in favor of the plaintiffs' view, from 
the fact that, in section 16 of the act of 1861, the expression is, &quot;all 
patents hereaf ter granted.&quot; Literally, such expression eovers future 
patents granted as re-issues. By section 13 of the act of 1836, (5 St. 
at Large, 122,) which continued in force after the act of 1861 went 
into force, a re-isaue is authorized, and the re-issued patent is therfe 
called &quot;a new patent,&quot; and is authorized to be issued only for the 
residue of the period then unexpired, for which the original patent 
was granted. Yet it never was or could be supposed that under sec- 
tion 16 of the act of 1861 a re-issued patent was to be granted for 1 1&lt;noinclude&gt;
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•pay any balanise fcheu unpaid to said John Bail &amp; Go. within 30 daya 
thereafter; and on fullpayment of oaid consideration the patents 
aforesaid and herein m^jitioned are to be aasigned by said John Bail 
&amp; Go. to said Albert Bail, his heirs or assigne.&quot; 
On the fifteenth of Pebruary, 1878, John Bail &amp; Go. assigned all 
their interest and cla,im in said pia,tent8, and in the aforesaid agree- 
ment.between Albert Bail and. the defendant, to George Cook and 
Jacob Miller, 
On the nineteenth of Noyember, 1878, Cook and Miller served a 
written notice upon the defendant, in vrhich, after reciting that he 
had failed to comply with the &quot;conditions of said, license&quot;to manu- 
facture plows under -said ■ patent, &quot;in not paying the royalties as 
provided by said license, there .being now due and unpaid to us a 
large suna as royalty. on said license, in which sum or amount you 
are now in defatijilt, and having also broken and failed to comply 
with other tern;is of 8a,id license,&quot; they notified the defendant that 
they terminated; and. annulled hjia license. They subsequently , filed 
the bill in this case, in which they pray that the defendant's license 
may be decreed to be iorfeited, that he may be enjoined , from man- 
ufacturing plows under said patents, and that he may be required 
to account for and pay the plaintiffs' all royalties for which he may 
be in arrear, and damages. 
The notice of November 19, 1878, assumed, and the bill assumes, 
that the agreement between Albert Bail and the defendantf contains 
conditions for the breach of which by the defendant his license to 
manufacture is revocable ; but the agreement contains nothing of the 
kind. There is no provision therein for re vocation or forfeiture, and 
therefore there is no foundation for a decree annulling the license, 
(McKnight v. Krentz, 51 Pa. St. 232;) certainly none under the evi- 
dence. But, were it otherwise, such decree would not bc. made upon 
this bill, for Albert Bail, whose rights are involved, is not a party to 
the suit. Gloninger v. Hazard, 42 Pa. St. 389. That he bas an, in- 
terest in the question of annulling the defendant's license is mani- 
fest. His assignments of the patents, and of the royalties payable by 
the defendant, are not absolute, but rnerely as collateral sepurity for 
a debt due by him to John Bail &amp; Go., and they are expressly iim- 
ited in their operation to the term of four years. Furtherii5Lore, an 
important part of the agreement between Albert Bail and the defend- 
ant, to-wit, that relating to Ball's, commissions upon Sialep,,wap not 
touched by the assignments. , ,Now, :clearly, a decree annulling tire&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/472</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Nashua ,&lt;^ Lowell JKaileoad Coecoration and athers v. Boston &amp; 
LowELL Eailroad Ccepobaiion and others. 
, (Oircuit C^uri,, p. Massachv^ett». Auguat 27, ISBl.) 
1. J0RI8DICTION— ClTIZEUfSHEP— RaILBOiAII'ChABTEBED EST EaCH OF Two STATES. 
A railroad corporation which extended into two states, and was original!}' 
chartered in each state, and subsequently Consolidated by law in both states, 
does not thereby lose its separate citizenship in each state, so as to preclude it 
from maintaining an action in the federal court againat another corpora- 
tion, created and existing solely under the laws oi one of the two states, where 
the declaration shows that the plaintifl sejts out its corporate existence as de- 
rived from the othbr of- said t#6'rtale^. 
This bill ^n eqiiity was brought by the Nashua &amp; Lowell R^iilroacl 
Corporation, which is alleged to be a citizen of New Hampshire, and 
other citizens of that state, against the Boiston &amp; LuWell Eailroad 
Corporatii and otheirs, ieitikeiis of Massachusetts. It appearB that 
the plaintifi corporation is a joint or consolidated corporatioii, operat- 
iug a oontinapus! line of, railroad, which lies partly in Massachusetts 
and partly in New Hampshirej and is fotmed by the union of two dis- 
tinct corporations, each having the saiiae name, chartered under the 
laws of the two states. The defpodanta filed a plea to the jnrisdic- 
%n.; It^Sjfj^iS d«uied;iihat thej^ourt had jurisdietion, for therreason 
that the'auit'does nc^ inyplve a oontroyersy betwelen citizens pi differ- 
eisut atates, : The, (ju^stion was atgued some tinie since. ■; 
i^. ^. JBf(?,#8, for plaintiff, 
)J. O. AblH)U:eti)i^/§. 'AiB-Ablipti, tox, detendant. 
■ Nelson, D. J*, (tfflaJZj/.) : ThiS: Oi^se was argued, at the lastOctober 
term. of this court, ttpOB jthe plea of the defendant to the jurisdiction 
of the court and an agr^etoentof the facts. ^ 
JudgeJijoweJlj .fi.' Jyj! thea. .to.ok the papers for the purpose of 
decigfton, but sopn saftejrtWa-rdsdiyas in some way led to suppose that 
the- caso' had been adj^usted, between the parties, and sO gave it no 
further consideration. Shoiitlyi before be went abroad he was in- 
formed; that; the case h^ no,t ibtfen adjnsted, and Le left it with'me 
fci; determination,, soji^^t: the decision bow to be announced bas 
been reached by myself alone. ,i .^ .i ■ 
The Nashua &amp; Lowell Eailroad Company was separately char- 
tered under the laws of New Hampshire and Massachusetts, and the 
two corporations so created were aiterwards consolidated by law in 
both states. It has been settled by the supreme court of the United 
States that corporations creuted by different states and afterwarda&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/496</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700924</id>
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• The defendantE) haye aJiB-wered the criticismB of plaintiff on the 
testimonyof Dwelly, and have uexplained perfectly why he testified 
more fully when he testiuied forihe defendants than when he testified 
for the intervenora; The testimony was taken for the intervenors 
September 8,1880; for the plaintiff from January 5 to 8, 1881; and 
for the defehdants from January 21 to 26, 1881. 
The bill must be diamissed, mth costs to defendant; the inter- 
venors to have the relief prayed. 
Sawyeb, C. J., concurrimgi. The question as to the competenoy of 
Eice's testimony being an important one, I desire to add some obser- 
vations to those, made by my associate. Eice is a party to the suit, 
and also to the transaction in issue alleged to have been had between 
him and Norton in the life-time of the latter, under whom the opposite 
parties claim title. For the purposes of the decision I shall assume, 
VKIthout deciding the point, that the opposite parties to Eice, being suc- 
cessors in interest to Norton, who is deceased, are &quot;representatives 
of, a deceased person,&quot; within the meaning of the statute of Nevada, 
a^amendedinl879. St.Nev.1879,49. The question, then, is -whether 
the sta tutes of the United States have an express, direct provision upon 
which the competency of Eice depends, or whether the case f ails within 
those provisions of the United States statutes which make the compe- 
tency depend upon the statute of Nevada upon the subject. The testi- 
mony was incompetent at common law, because Eice is a party to the 
suit, and interested in the controversy. If his testimony is competent, 
then it is because some statute of the United States makes it so 
directly by some express provision applicable to the case, or indirectly 
by making the competency depend upon some statute of Nevada ren- 
dering it competent. If the competency is referred to the statute of 
Nevada, and governed by that, then, upon the assumption stated, the 
testimony is inadmissible under the section referred to — the opposite 
party being the &quot;representative of a deceased person.&quot; 
Section 858 of the Revised Statutes of the United States, applicable 
to the case, reads as follows : 
&quot;In the courts of the IJnited States no witness shall be excluded in any 
action on account of color, or in any civil action because he is a party to or 
interested in the issue tried, provided that in actions by or against executors, 
administrators, or guardians, in which judgnient may be rendered for or 
against them, neither party shall be allowed to testify against the other as to 
any transaction with or statement by the testator, intestate, or ward, unless 
called to testify thereto by the opposite party, or required to testify tiiereto by 
the court. In all other respects, the laws of the state in which the court is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/498</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>700926</id>
    <revision>
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courts of the United States there shall he no exclusion o{ any witness 
* * * in civil actions because he is a party to or interested in the issue 
tried.&quot; 
Under the statute as it thus stood, the laws of Nevada, excluding a 
party where the opposite party is the representative of a deceased 
person, is not adopted, and such party is a competent witness under 
the direct provision of the aotof congress. 
The next act of congress was that of 1865, which provides^ — 
&quot; That in actions by or against executors, administrators, or guardians, in 
whleh judgment may be rendered for or against them, neither party shall be 
allowed to testify againt the other as to any transaction with or statement 
by tha testator, intestate, or ward, unless called to testify thereto by the oppo- 
site party, or required to testify thereto by the court.&quot; 
This was but a limitation put upon the sweeping provision of the 
act of 1864, last cited, -which admitted parties under all cireumstances 
to testify, and the limitation only embraces the case of &quot;executors, 
administrators, or guardians.&quot; 
It does not reach &quot;the representatives of a deceased person.&quot; 
Hence, as to such party the statute as it before stood remains un- 
changed, so that, on adding this further proviso to the statute as it 
before stood, Eice is still a competent witness. Thus the statute 
stood at the date of the revision, when all these three statutes were 
carried into section 858 of the Revised Statutes. Instead of placing 
the first act adopting the state law first in the section it was placed 
last, next f ollowing the proviso, but without any intention of changing 
the meaning, so that the principal clause in section 858 of the Ee- 
vised Statutes, and its proviso, is merely a limitation upon the act 
of congress first passed, as stated, adopting the laws as to competency 
of witnesses, expressed in a little different form in the last clause of 
said section. Under this direct provision of the United States stat- 
utes, therefore, the testimony of Eice is admissible. From the fore- 
going it will be seen that the general rule in civil actions now, as 
before the revision, is that the laws of the state as to the competency 
of witnesses govern, except that the state laws excluding witnesses 
on account of color, and laws affecting the competency of parties in 
interest to the issue to be tried, are inapplicable. The competency 
of such witnesses depends wholly upon the direct provisions of the 
United States statutes. 
Upon the facts and other points discussed, and on the decree 
ordered, I also concur with the district judge.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/500</title>
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contumaey and default, and thereupon the libel shall be adjudged to be taken 
pro confessa against Mm, and the court shall proceed to hear the cause ex 
parte, and adjudge thereon as to law and justice shall appertain.&quot; 
This was the course taken by the court in this case, and upon such 
hearing the libel was dismissed. Conceding that the averments of 
the libel make a case for a decree of forfeiture, the &quot;proofs&quot; may, for 
all that appears, have negatived thofee averments. If so, both law 
and justice should require that the libel be dismissed. AU presump- 
tions are in favor of the decree of the court. It is, therefore, impos- 
sible for this court tosay that the district court, erred, unless we have 
the evidence on which that court based its decree. The record does 
not disclose that evidence. 
But does the libel suggest such a case as would justify a forfeiture ? 
By section 16 of the act approved June 22, 1874, (18 St. 189,) it is 
provided that — 
&quot; In all actions, suits, and proceedings in any court of the United States now 
pending, or hereafter commenced or prosecuted, to enforce or declare the for- 
feiture of any goods, wares, or merchandise * * * by reason of any vio- 
lation of the provisions of the customs revenue laws, or any of such provisions 
in which said action or proceedlng an issue or issues of fact shall have been 
joined; it shall be the duty of the court, on the trial thereof, to submit to the 
jury, as a distinct and separate proposition, whether the alleged acts were done 
with an actual intention to defraud the United States, and to require, upon 
such proposition, a special finding by such jury; or, if such issue be tried by 
the court without a jury, it shall be the duty of the court to pass upon and 
decide such proposition as a distinct and separate finding of fact ; and in such 
cases, unless intent to defraud be so found, no fine, penalty, or forfeiture shall 
be imposed.&quot; 
I think it perfectly clear that this section makes intent to defraud 
the United States a necessary condition to the forfeiture of any 
goods, etc., for the violation of the customs revenue laws. A libel of 
information, therefore, which undertakes to state a case for the for- 
feiture of goods, .should aver an intent to defraud the United States. 
Without such averment no case for forfeiture is made. The claim- 
ant might well decline to answer a libel in which such averment was 
wanting, trusting to the court to dismiss the libel, for want of neces- 
sary averments, when it came to hear the case ex parte, and to 
adjudge thereon &quot;as to law and justice should appertain.&quot; The idea 
that a libel would be good when there was dcfault for want of an 
answer which would be bad, if an answer were filed and issue joined, 
is certainly untenable. The libel must set up all the facts necessary&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of $10,000, bearing date June 4, 18T7; and on June 4, 1878, said 
Griswold mortgaged said blook 18, and said lots 1, 2, 3, and 4, in 
block 36, with the water-power and appurtenances, to the defendants 
W. Lair Hill, George H. Durham, and H. Y. Thompson, to secure the 
payment tothemof his note for $10,000, given as a fee for defending 
the action aforesaid against him. On December 18, 1878, Griswold 
mortgaged said lot 8, in block 10, to Ladd &amp; Bush, to secare the pay- 
ment to them of a debt of $306.25, with interest thereon. 
On January 6, 1879, Griswold voluntarily appeared and confessed 
judgments in the county court of Marion county in favor of Ladd 
&lt;fe Bush for $348.82, and the defendants A. Kelly, Thomas A. 
Mauzy, W. G. Woodworth, William H. Watkinds, Benjamin Hay- 
den, William H. Holmes, and James W. Nesmith for the aggregate 
sum of $3,223.13. On January 7, 1879, Hill, Durham, and Thomp- 
son commenoed a suit in the circuit court for the county of 
Marion to foreclose their mortgage, and made the defendant Gris- 
wold and L. &amp; B., and the other persons to whom judgments were 
confessed as aforesaid, defendants ; in which, on February 11, 1879, 
there was a decree given that L. &amp; B. recover of the defendant 
Griswold the sum of $3,816.16, and H., D., and T. the suni of 
$9,365.42, the balance due on Griswold's note, and that the premises 
described in the mortgages be sold toisatisfy the same and costs; in 
pursuance of which they were sold by the sheriff to the defendant 
Hill, on March 22, 1879, for the sum of $13,500. On February 22, 
1879, said lot 8 was sold to the defendant Burnett for the sum of 
$368, upon an execution issued out of said county court upon the 
judgment therein, aforesaid, in favor of L. &amp; B. ; and afterwards 
said L. &amp; B. foreclosed their mortgage upon, said lot 8, making the 
defendants Griswold and Burnett parties defendant to the suit 
therefor, and, uponprocess issued upon the decree therein given 
for said L. &amp; B. for $374.37, said lot 8 'and the west half of said 
lots 1, 2, 3, and 4, in block 73, were sold to said Bush for $388.94. 
During the years 1878-9 Griswold purchased varions &quot;Oregon In- 
dian war claims, and other government debts and claims, and to cbn- 
ceal them from the plaintiff&quot; took the assignments thereof to his 
nephew, the defendant Edward Chamberlain, and the defendant J. 
H. Alberts, for which the latter, on November 29, 1879, gave his note 
to said Griswold for $1,677. 
The bill also alleges that the_ mortgage to L. &amp; B. for $10,000 was 
given and received in so much iarger a sum than the real indebted- 
ness of Griswold to L. &amp; B., to enable him to hinder and delay the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/516</title>
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But apart from this, -when Gri3wold confessed the judgments to Kelly 
and othera for f 3,571.95i he was doubtloss insolvent, and intended 
thereby to prevent the United States from eollecting the claim for 
which it had just obtained a verdict. His whole property, so far as 
appears, even if unencumbered, was not sufficient to paj*^ this one 
debt. Nor is it material, in this connection, whether sueh insolvency 
was known or believed by third persons or not. The fact that the 
United States had a valid claim against Griswold for $35.228 since 
January 29, 1874, bas been eonclusi'sfely established by the judgment 
of the district court. 
But, as all claim under these judgments has been formally aban- 
doned by the creditors therein, except that of L. &amp; B., it is only 
necessary to consider the effect of this conclusion as to the latter. 
These judgments being in effect a voluntary assignment by an insolv- 
ent debtor, the, right of the United States to a priority of payment 
out of all his property, subject to all valid liens and encumbrances 
thereon, attached at once. 
Under the law of the state a judgment, when doeketed, is a lien 
upon the debtor 's property, similar to that of a mortgage, and is in 
effect a convenient method of transferring such property to the judg- 
ment creditors. Catlin v. Hoffman, 2 Sawy. 491. 
The sale, therefore, of lot 8, in block 10, and the west half of lots 
1, 2, 3, and 4, in block 73, by L. &amp; B., upon their execution to en- 
force said judgment and the one to enforce the personal deeree in 
the suit to foreclose the mortgage of December 18, 1878, on said lot 
8, was made subject to the prior right of the United States, and, so 
far as it interferes with the assertion of such right, must be set aside 
and the property resold upon the execution of the plaintiff, uniess L. 
&amp; B. aocount to the plaintiff for the value thereof, whioh the evidence 
tends to show is about 1 1,600, together with the rents and profits 
thereof, less the amount of their mortgage for $306.25, with interest. 
As to the mortgage of L. &amp; B. on block 18, dated June 4, 1877, 
these additional facts appear: Griswold was then insolvent, the debt 
which he owed the United States being greater in amount than the 
value of all the property elaimed by him or in his name, but the 
defendants, although aware of the fact that the plaintiff had com- 
menced the action against him to recover this debt, were not other- 
wise informed on the subject. It appears that on or about June 4, 
1877, Griswold presented a note and mortgage upon block 18 for 
$10,000, payable, with interest at 1 per centum per month, in seven 
months, at the bank of L. &amp; B. in Salem, and asked for a loan of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/522</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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it is to sell or offer for sale manufactured tobacco,&quot; (Kev. St. § 3244,) 
is a point open to considerable doubt. At first I was strongly iuclined 
to the opinion that it was not. Such appears to have beea the rul- 
ing of the internai revenue departaient, judging from a letter of the 
commissioner to the collector at Savannah. 24 Int. Eev. fiecord, 
113. 
In conetruing doubtfal cases of this kind the possible consequences 
to the government and to individuals oughfc to be borne in miud. The 
law being one for the raising of revenue, it ought to be construed 
liberally in favor of the government ; and dealers who carry ou the 
business and pay the proper special tax, ought to be protected, as far 
as possible, from the competition of those who, paying no tax, en- 
croach upon their trade. While it qiay be a very con veulent arrange- 
ment for the employers of labor, whether farmers, lumbermen, or 
manufacturers, to supply their hands with liquor and tobacco in lieu 
of money, and charge the cost of the same upon their pay-rolls, it 
will readily be seen that if this power be given to farmers aud lum- 
bermen employing a number of laborers, the same prineiple would 
apply to railway and manufacturing corporations, employing hun- 
dreds and even thousands, and the business of licensed dealers, who 
would otherwise supply tobacco to these men, be seriously injured, 
Upon the whole, I am disposed to hold that men who habitually 
deal out to their employes manufactured tobacco, even for their own 
accommodation, and at cost price, are subject to the special tax; and 
that upon the state of facts presented by this record the defendant 
might properly be convicted. 
I understand a similar ruling to have been made by Judge Brooks, 
of the eastern district of North Carolina ; and I am also authorized 
to say that the circuit judge concurs in this opinion.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/536</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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it as drawn. Section 4921, Eev. St., is referred to as providing for 
the reeovery of profits only. But the right of recovery for infringe- 
ment of a patent does not rest upon that section wholly. Before the 
act of 1870, part of which was brought into that section, was passed, 
damages for infringements could not be recovered in equity. The 
ligbt ol recovery rested upon the general provisions of the statutes 
by virtue of which patents were granted, and the general principles 
of law upon which relief in equity is afforded. That statute enlarged 
the jurisdiction of courts of equity by providing that damages, in 
addition to profits to be accounted for, might be recovered. This 
did not restriot the right to recover for gains, savings, or advantages 
recoverable before, when they resulted to the infringer from the in- 
fringement. Ail questions as to whether the gains, savings, or 
advantages are such as are due to the infringement, and as the de- 
fendants are legally accountable for, will arise upon the accounting. 
These words seem to be proper, although perhaps they are not 
necessary in such a decree. 
Costs generally, in proceedings in equity, do not follow as matter of 
right, as in proceedings at law, but are subject to the discretion of 
the court, and are to be awarded as a part of the decree or they can- 
uot be recovered, although they may be, and generally are, taxed af ter 
the decree. Sizer v. Many, 16 How. 98. The determination as to 
costs must ordinarily be made upon the hearing in chief. It is then 
that the merits of the case are gone into. This hearing was in chief, 
and in its nature final, although the decree is interlocutory. The 
costs cannot be tased fully, and no execution can properly issue until 
the final decree ; but still now is the time to determine in regard to 
them and award or refuse them. They are awarded as usual, unless 
there are special circiamstances to govern otherwise, to the prevailing 
party. It is said that with this award and direction a bond and 
supersedeas will be too late to stay the execution on appeal. But this 
objection is not well founded. The whole matter must wait until 
af ter the final decree before any execution can issue, and then an 
appeal and sm^'^*'*^^^'^* ^^^^^^^^^J taken out will, under the statute 
and rules, stay the execution. The whole decree seems to be proper, 
and is signed as presented.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/540</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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view of such fault on the part of the schooner, it is incumbent on her 
,to make ont by clear proof that the tugs could have done something 
after they saw, or ought to have seen, the danger of collision to pre- 
vent it. On all the evidence, including that taken in this court, this 
bas not been made ont. 
It was no fault in the tugs that they did not whistle to the 
schooner at any time. They saw no risk of collision, and there was 
none which they ought to have seen. They were not intending to 
go, and did not go, to the weEtward. There was plenty of room for 
the schooner to go by them to the westward. They could have no 
idea that the. schooner would chase the wind as she did, and would 
make the leeway she did. The tugs stopped as soon as it was in- 
cumbent on them to do so, and were not guilty of any fault in stop- 
ping. 
There must be a deoree against the schooner for $2,775, with in- 
terest from April 9, 1880, and the costs of the libellant in the dis- 
trict court, taxed there at $236.50, and the costs of the libellant in 
this court, to be taxed. The libel must be dismissed as against each 
of the tugs, with costs to the claimants of the Nichols in the district 
court, taxed there at $178.87, and to them in this court, to be taxed; 
and with costs to the claimants of the Sammie in the district court, 
taxed there at $73.27, and costs to them in this court, to be taxed. 
The Badgee State. 
(Dislrict Court, N. D. Illinois. May 27, 1881.) 
1. CoiiiiTBioN— Steamer— Schooner. 
Wliere a sailing vessel and one propelled by steam are approaching each 
other bow ou, the steamer must give way. 
2. BAME— BVIDBIJOE. 
In case of a collifiion between such vessels, the steamer is prima facie in 
fault. '' 
S. Negligence — Particulab Instance. 
It amovnts to negligence on the part of those in oommnnd of a steamer Vr 
make the port of Chicago at night at a speed trou» nine lo ten miles an houi 
In Admiralty. 
Blodgbtt, n. J. Thisis a libel for damages by a collision between 
the propeller Badger State and the schooner Helen Blood, owned by 
libellant. 
The schooner left the port of Chicago, abont 9 o'clock in the even- 
ing pf Qctober tt, 1§77, in tow of the tug Protection, was towed wt&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/546</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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jonr orators, and with reasonable diligence could not be learned during the 
pendency of the suit in this court, the only one to which your orators were 
parties.&quot; 
A bill for relief on the ground of fraud rciust be specifie. It is not 
«nough to charge in general terms that a partioular transaction was 
fraudaient. The facts constituting the fraud must be stated, so that 
the court, and not the pleader, may determine -whether, if true, they 
constitute fraud. This rule applies to all bills for relief on the ground 
of fraud, including, of course, a bill to set aside a judgment or decree 
upon that ground. Story, Eq. PL 251, 428; Kerr on Fraud and 
Mistakes, 365. 
It is also necessary to charge the intent to deceive, either by an 
«xpress averment or by such words as necessarily imply such in- 
tent. Moss v.Riddle, 5 Cranch, 351; Gray v. Earl, 13 Iowa, 188. 
The counsel who draf ted this bill evidently intended to comply with 
these rules by inserting the allegations embraced in the second quo- 
tation above, wherein it is set forth in eflfect that the balance due 
complainant was made to appear either by mistake of all the parties, 
or by deception practiced upon this railway company, or by collusion 
with that company. By this allegation the complainants say, in sub- 
stance, that the wrong was done them in one of these three ways, but 
as to which one they are unable to say. The insufficiency of such 
an allegation will be very apparent when it is suggested that mistake 
is one thing and fraud another, and that the character of the case 
and nature of the defence would depend very mueh upon the question 
whether it is a case of mistake or a case of fraud that is set out. 
No man can be required to answer and prepare for trial upon a bill 
which leaves him in doubt as to the exact nature of the case against 
which he is to defend. Hence, the rule that allegations must not be 
in the alternative. Story, Eq. PI. 245, 245a. 
In view of these considerations, I am constrained to hold that the 
bill does not set forth the circumstances of the fraud charged with 
sufficient certainty and partieularity. 
2. The fraud relied upon is charged only upon information and 
belief. An injunction cannot be granted in the first instance upon 
an allegation of this character. It is necessary that the fraud should 
be made to appear by positive averments, founded on complainant 's 
own knowledge or that of some person cognizant of the facts. High 
on Inj. § 35, and cases cited; Id. § 118, and cases cited. 
3. Another and much more important question is presented by 
this record, and bas been discussed by counsel. This is a bill to set&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/547</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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aside a former decree of this court between the same parties and 
upon the same siibject-matter. It is clear that all questions touch- 
ing the validity or amount of respondents' claim were open to inves- 
tigation in the former suit. Issue was joined upon their cross-bill, 
and testimony was taken and decree was rendered in their favor. 
It was the right and duty of complainants to investigate the char- 
acter of the claim, and to set up in that case whatever defence they 
had. It is not enough to allege that they did not discover the facts 
in time so to do. The only exception to this rule is in cases where, 
by some wrong act of the successful party, bis adversary is deprived 
of the right to fully present bis case. The rule is thus stated by Mr. 
Justice Miller in U. S. v. Throckmorton, 98 U. S. 65 : 
&quot;But there is an adtnitted exception to this general rule in cases where, by 
reason of something done by the successful party to a suit, there was in fact 
no adversary trial or decision of the issue in the case. Where the unsuc- 
cessf ul party has been prevented from exhibiting fully his case by fraud or 
deception practiced on him by his opponents, as by keeping him away from 
court, a false promise of a compromise; or where the defendant never had 
knowledge of the suit.being kept in ignorance by the acts of the plaintiff ; or 
where an attorney fraudulently, or without authority, assumes to represent a 
party, and connived at his defeat ; or where the attorney, regularly employed, 
corruptly sells out his client's interest to the other side. These and similar 
cases, which show that there has never been a real contest in the trial or hear- 
ing of the case, are reasons for which a new suit may be sustained to set 
aside and annul the former judgment or decree, and open the case for a new 
and fair hearing. See Wells* Res Adjudieata, § 499 ; Pearce v. Olney, 20 Conn. 
544; Wierick y.DeToya, 7 111. 385; Ketit v. Bicards, 3 Md. Ch. 392; 8mith v. 
Lowry, 1 John. (IST. Y.) Ch. 320; De Louis v. Meek, 2 Iowa, 55.&quot; 
The rule is clearly settled, at least so far as the federal courts are 
concerned, that a judgment will not be set aside upon an original bill 
upon the ground that it was founded upon a fraudulent intendment or 
perjured evidence, when there were no hindrances besides the negli- 
gence of the defendant in presenting the defence in the first suit. 
The case of U. S. v. Throckmorton, supra, is a striking illustration 
of misrule. The judgment attacked in that case had been oblained, 
as was alleged, upon a grant which had been executed by the former 
Mexican governor of California, after he had ceased to hold that 
office, and falsely and fraudulently antedated. The case was a strong 
one, but the court said : &quot;There was ample time to make all neces- 
sary inquiries and produce the necessary proof, if it existed, of the 
fraud,&quot; in the progress of the original suit; and the bill was held bad 
on demurrer because it was the duty of the complainants to ascer- 
tain the facts and make their defence in the original suit. And the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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court quote with approval the following rule laid down by Shaw, C. J., 
in Greene v. Greene, 2 Gray, (Mass.) 361 : 
&quot; The maxim that fraud vitiates every proceeding must be taken, like all 
other general maxims, to apply to cases where proof of fraud is admissible. 
But where the same matter has been actually tried, or so in issue that it might 
have been tried, it is not again admissible. The party is estopped to set up 
such fraud, because the judgment is the highest evidence and cannot be con- 
tradicted.&quot; 
See, also, the following authorities, cited by Mr. Justice Miller in 
same opinion: Dixon v. Graham, 16 Iowa, 310; Cottle v. Cole, 20 
lowa, 482; Borland v. Thorton, 12 Cal. 440; Biddle y. Baker, 13 
lowa, 295 ; Railroad Go. v, Neal, 1 Wood, 353. 
The demurrer must be sustained, with leave to complainants to 
ameud, if counsel thinks he can bring the case within the prineiples 
announced in this opinion. 
CoE V. The Cayoqa Lake E. Co. and another. 
(Circuit Court, N. D. New York. August 15, 1881.) 
1. AcT OF March 3, 1875, ^ 1, Construed— Jurisbictioit of tue Circuit Court— 
Promissort Note dndbr Bbal— New Tkial. 
A corporation executed its promissory note, payable to the order of ita pres- 
ident, attaching thereto, before delivery, its corporate seal. After having been 
indorsed by him, it was discounted by a citizen of the same state and assigned 
to a citizen of another state, who brought an action against both maker 
and indorser. Held, on a motion for a new trial, that, under section 1 of the aot 
of March 3, 1875, the circuit court had no jurisdiction 
George F. Comstock, for plaintiff. 
William F. Coggwell, for defendant Morgan. 
Blatchford, C. J. This suit was brought against the Cayuga Lake 
Railroad Company as maker, and the defendant Morgan as indorser, 
of two instruments in writing which the complaint calls promissory 
notes. Each defendant answered separately. At the trial, before 
the court and a jury, the plaintif! had a verdict for $30,787.89, 
The defendant Morgan now moves for a new trial, on a bill of ex- 
ceptions made by him. The instruments were alike in form, except 
that one was payable five months after date and the other six months 
after date. The form was this :&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of the case whether McClintock was a negligent and unfit person, 
and whether the company had notice. It may be necessary, in view 
of possible further proceedings in this case, that we should have your 
finding upon that specifie fact. 
But it is insisted by the defendant that even though the company 
may be guilty of negligence, either by the act of the eonductor in 
failing to deliver these running orders on the night in question, or 
that the eonductor was known to be negligent, and their having 
continued him in service, — in other words, it is insisted that, al- 
though you may find for the plaintifif upon the question of the 
defendant's negligence, that yet the plaintiff cannot recover because 
he was also negligent, and his negligence contributed to the accident. 
Upon this subject, gentlemen, you have all the faots before you, and 
it is not expedient, even if it were proper, for me to comment upon 
the testimony. You will look into the testimony as it has been 
delivered to you, showing the conduct of the plaintiff on the night 
of the accident — the manner in which he ran the train. You will 
considei- the question whether there is any proof tending to show, or 
sufficient to show, that he knew or had any reason to believe that 
the gravel, train was on the track over which he was called upon to 
pass ; whether there is anything to show that he was bound to stop 
at the station and wait for the gravel train without order, because 
it is conceded that the orders were not delivered to him by the 
eonductor. 
There is another braneh of the case upon which it is earnestly 
contended by the defendant that the plaintiff has been shown to 
have been guilty of contributory negligence. It is said that he had 
notice of the negligence of this eonductor McClintock ; that for some 
time before this accident he eonfessedly knew that McClintock was a 
negligent and improper person to hold that position, and that, know- 
ing that fact, he was negligent in continuing in the service of the 
company. ^ 
. The law upon this subject, gentlemen, is that if one employe of a 
railroad company discovers that a co-employe of his is negligent or 
unskilful, it is his duty to give notice to the company, but it is not 
necessary that he should at once quit the service of the company. 
After having given notice he may continue in the service of the 
company for a reasonable time, in the expectation that the company 
will take proper action in the premises and discharge the unworthy 
and incompetent person. And if, within this reasonable time, after 
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tickets, which under the statute represent the title, are outstanding. 
When the holder of the statutory evidence of titlo to grain in a ware- 
house or elevator &quot;surrenders&quot; it to the warehouseman, and the latter 
certifies the faot, there is nothing in the statute to give his certificate 
the force and effect which formerly belonged to the surrendered 
instrument. Inasmuch as the respondents deposited no grain in the 
elevator, they could only purchase grain therein as against actual 
depositors by buying outstanding certificates representing such grain, 
and taking an assignment thereof. They did not do this. In no 
instance did they take an assignment of the evidence of title. It 
follows that their claims must be postponed to those of actual depos- 
itors vrho present the evidence of title recognized by the statute. 
2. A question is made as to whether, upon the facts already 
stated, the case is one of equitable cognizance. It is insisted that, 
inasmuch as there is grain enough to satisfy all of complainant's 
demands, they have severally a right to proceed at law, and there- 
fore no right to proceed in equity. It is true that when the action 
of replevin was before this court, it was supposed by the court 
that all the certificates were equally liens upon the grain in the ele- 
vator, and that ,none of the claimants -were entitled to payment in 
full. The question as to the effect of the &quot;surrender certificates&quot; was 
not then raised, and the court assumed that they were warehouse 
receipts or certificates, evidencing title, within the meaning of the 
statute. Although, upon further consideration, it now appears this 
was a mistaken assumption, it does not follow that the jurisdiction 
in equity fails. It is still a case for discovery, and an accounting 
between the parties. Without a discovery and an accounting, the 
court could not know that the complainants are entitled to payment 
in full. If one of them had sued alone at law, how could the court 
or a jury have determined whether he waa entitled to recover the 
whole amount claimed. To determine that question the presence of 
other depositors of grain was necessary, or at least proper, and an 
accounting as between all such depositors, if not the only, was cer- 
tainly the moet convenient and adequate mode of proceeding. If the 
remedyin equity is more complete and adequate than that at law, and 
especially if it prevents a multiplicity of suits, the equitable jurisdic- 
tion can be maintained even if there is a concurrent remedy at law. 
1 Story, Eq. Jur. § 457. Nor would it make any difference if it 
were admitted that the result of the discovery and accounting is to 
develop the fact, not before known, that the complainants might&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ti'on from William H. and C. A. Willson, his wife, the donc es of the Salem 
donation claim, and in 1856 he erected a large brick building on said lot 1, 
since known as &quot; Griswold's block,&quot; in which he did business while he re- 
mained in Oregon. 
In 1865 and prier thereto, &quot;W. C. G. was engaged in the hat and cap busi- 
ness in N&quot;ew York, and in mercantile ventures in Texas and Tennessee, and in 
1867 became embarrassed from losses and depression in business. 
On December 21, 1867, Griswold and wife conveyed the premises to James 
M. Adams, since dead, a liquor dealer in New York, and. related to the latter 
in the fourth degree, for the nominal consideration of $22,500, by a deed 
stafaped with only $11.50 worth of stamps, and reeorded on February 10, 
1868. 
On December 19, 1868, said James M. Adams conveyed the premises to 
Chester Adams, of Hartford, Connecticut, his uncle, a man of wealth, and a 
partieular friend of said J. 0. G., for the nominal consideration of $22,000, by 
a deed stamped with only $11 worth of stamps, and reeorded on February 1, 
1869; and on December 30, 1870, the executors and beneftciaries under the will 
of said Chester Adams, he having died on July 6, 1870, conveyed the premises 
to said J. 0. G. for the nominal consideration of $10,962.63, by a deed which 
was not reeorded until February 12, 1878. 
This latter deed recites that the conveyanee from James M. to Chester 
Adams of December 19, 1868, though &quot;in form absolute,&quot; was in fact &quot;con- 
ditional,&quot; and intended by the parties thereto &quot; as seeurity &quot; for the sum of 
$9,619.63, with interest thereon from April 1, 1869, &quot; upon the distinct and 
express agreement and understanding that upon payment of said sum bysaid 
J. 0. G. the said Ghester Adams was to grant and convey said estate to said 
J.O.G.&quot; 
On December 31, 1868, Griswold, for the purpose of procuring a settlement 
or compromise with his creditors, or the principal ones of them, flled his peti- 
tion in bankruptcy in the district court for theeastern district of ISTew York, 
and wasduly adjudged a bankrupt thereon, and on November 15, 1869, re- 
ceived a discharge from his debts, he having in the mean time eiieeted a set- 
tlement with his principal creditors, to whom he was indebted as indorser, for 
about 33J cents on the dollar. 
On May 31, 1865, W. C. G. gave Mr. Chester N. Terry, of Salem, a power of 
attorney, authorizing him to act as his agent, under which he took charge of 
this property for about fi ve years, collected the rents, giving the receipts there- 
for in the name of Cliester Adams after October 1, 1869, paid the taxes, and 
remitted the reraainder to W. C. G. at New York. During this period, be- 
tween 1867 and 1870, the latter visited Saleœ to look after the property, and 
while there told Terry more than once that lie was finanaially involved in New 
York, and that &quot; he had deeded the property in Salem to James M. Adams, in 
order to protect it from his creditors in New York, and that as soon as he 
could arrange his afEairs satisfactorily in New York he would have his Oregon 
property deeded back to him again.&quot; 
. In; 1870, and 1871, W. C. G. made additions to the building on said lot 1, at a 
cost exceeding $5,000, which he personally superinteiidod and paid for. After 
the terinination of Terry's agensy, W. C. G. continued to manage the property.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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estent, and purpose thereof. See 2 PMI. Ev. note, supra, pp, 654, 
652. 
In Trotter v. Watson, 6 Humph. 509, as stated in 1 Meigs' Dig. 54y, 
it was held that &quot;if a party make a deed, and retain the possession of 
the property inconsiatently with the terms of the deed, his statements 
in reference to the ownership, or contract, or terms upon which he 
holds the possession of the property, may be received as part of the 
res gestce. In such a case the possession of the property is a badge of 
fraud, which of itself connecta him with the claimant in the suspicion 
of a confederacy to defeat creditors. His declarations, therefore, in 
relation to the property, and the character of his possession of it, be- 
come part of the wrong doing, and as such is evidence.&quot; 
Greenleaf, (vol. 1, § 109,) after stating that there had been some 
difference of opinion as to the admissibility of such declarations, and 
that if was well settled &quot;that declarations in disparagement of the 
title of the declarant are admissible as original evidence,&quot; says: 
•' But no reason is perceived why every declaration accompanying the act 
of possession, whether in disparagement of the declarant's title, or otherwise 
qualifying his possession, if made in good faith, should not be received as a 
part of the res gestœ, leaving its effect to be govemed by other rules of evi- 
dence.&quot; 
In Williams v. Hart, 10 Eep. 74, the supreme court of Georgia 
(1880) held the declarations of a debtor, in possession of land after a 
sale by the sheriff upon an execution against the declarant, to his son, 
to the effect that the sale was fraudaient as against creditors, ad- 
missible against the purchaser, citing with approval the rule laid 
down in 69 Ga. 711, that — 
&quot;So long as a debtor reraains in possession of property which once belonged 
to him, and which his crediter is seeking to condemn as fraudulently coiiveyed, 
the res gestœ of the fraud, if any, may be considered as in progress ; and hia de- 
clarations, though made after he has parted with the formai paper title, may, 
by reason of the continuous possession which accompanied them, be given in 
evidence for the cieditor against the claimant.&quot; 
In Cahoon v. Marshall, 25 Cal. 202, the court, in speaking of the 
declarations of the vendor after a sale, says : 
&quot; This species of evidence is, as a general rule, inadmissible, and is never to 
be received unless it appears that the vendor's declarations were made while 
in possession of the property, with the knowledge or consent, expressed or 
implied, of the vendee, in which case his declarations, made while in posses- 
sion of the property, * * * might be considered as of the res gestœ.&quot; 
The rule deduced from the authorities by Bump (F. C. 569) is un- 
qualifiedly in f avor of the admissibility of the declarations. He says :&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/576</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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set aside or annulled in a suit brought for that purpose, in the court 
where it was granted, by an existing and injured creditor or the officiai 
assignee. It cannot be otherwise or eollaterally attacked. Section 
6120, Eev. St. ; Nicholas v. Murray, 5 Sawy. 323. 
The bankruptcy of Griswold having occurred before the United 
States became his creditor, and the discharge therein obtained being 
in full force, the same may be laid ont of view, except as the fact 
may serve to throw light upon the motive and purpose of the convey- 
ances to James M. and Chester Adams, and the subsequent conduct 
of Griswold. And the plaintifif not having become a creditor of Gris- 
wold until after the execution of these conveyanoes, as well as the 
final one to Mrs. Griswold, cannot be heard to impeach them on ac- 
count of the fraudulent intent of the grantor, unless it appears they 
were also made with the intention to hinder, delay, or defraud subse- 
quent creditors. Reade v. Livingstone, 3 John. Ch. 501 ; Sexton v. 
Wheaton, 8 Wheat. 229; 1 Story, Eq. Jur. § 361; Dickv. Hamilton, 1 
Deady, 329. 
The defendants Griswold and wife claim by their answers, substan- 
tially, that in 1865, the former being quite wealthy and the owner of 
property in value largely in excess of his then indebtedness, gave the 
latter, as her own property, bonds, stocks, and securities to the par 
value of $50,000; that afterwards, and a few months before going 
into bankruptcy, Griswold borrowed several thousand dollars of his 
wife to aid him in his financial embarrassments ; that at the same 
time he sold the premises to said James M. Adams to enable him to 
pay debts and obtain money to use in his business, for, as he alleges, 
the following consideration : A debt of about $1,000, due from him- 
self to J. M. A. ; an agreement to pay a debt of $10,000, due one S. 
E. Jacobs, since dead; and a debt of $1,000, due some one else 
whose name is forgotten; and $10,000 or $11,000 in money and 
bonds, but in what proportion, or what bonds, he does not remember 
and cannot state. That soon after this said J. M. A. became finan- 
cially embarrassed and wished to dispose of the premises at the price 
which it is alleged he paid for them — $22,600 — and sbe, as she al- 
leges, believing that the property would appreciate in value, applied 
to Chester Adams, a wealthy friend, to assist her in purchasing the 
same, which he did, she advancing him &quot;$12,000 or sdmething over&quot; 
of the remaining bonds given her by her husband, and the balance, 
$9,619.65 — the portion of the Jacobs debt that J. M. A. had not paid 
— being paid by Chester Adams, to whom the conveyance was made 
in trust for the wife and as a security for that sum ; and that after-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/584</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that it was the payment of a prior debt due from the Lusband to her^ 
the existence of which is not only not proven, but actually disproved. 
But this is not all : the evidence is more than convincing that the 
wife's name has been used in this matter by Griswold from the begin- 
ning simply as a convenienee and protection against contingencies 
that are liable to occur in the life of a speculating adventurer, with- 
out actually letting go his hold upon the premises, and that the pos- 
session, control, and enjoyment of the same have remained with him, 
with her knowledge and consent, as eompletely as though the con- 
veyance from C, A. had been made directly to himself. 
The unexplained failure to put the deed to the wife on the record 
for nearly eightyears after it was made, and the fact that it was not 
made public and recorded until the probable effect of this litigation 
rendered it convenient to assert that the property was hera; the 
declarations of Griswold to his confidential agent, Mr. Chester N. 
Terry, a witness whose long and favorably-known residence in this 
state the court must take notice of, to the effect that the property waa 
in fact his own ; that it had been put into the names of the Adamses 
merely to ward off the claims of his New York creditors, and that he 
expected to get it into his own hands soon ; the failure on the part of 
the husband and wife to give a credible or consistent aocount of the 
transaction, and the many gross and palpable contradictions and 
absurdities in the ones given by the former, — all point with certainty 
to the conclusion that the conveyance to the wife was procured by 
the husband upon a consideration moving from himself, and for his 
own benefit. 
The plaintiff also insists that the conveyances to C. A. and J. 0. 
G. were not legally acknowledged, and therefore are not entitled to 
record, and that for this reason they are void as against the lien of 
its judgment, irrespective of the intent or consideration with or upon 
which they were made. In support of this proposition section 268 
of the Civil Code is cited, which provides, in effect, that a convey- 
ance is void as against the lien of a judgment unless recorded within 
five days of its execution, as provided between conveyances of the 
same property in section 26 of the chapter on conveyances. Or. 
Laws, 518. 
The conclusion already reached makes it unnecessary to pass upon 
this question. But, as the conveyance to J. M. A. is legal in form 
and duly acknowledged and recorded, and therefore passed the legal 
title from W. C. G. to the former, the lien of the judgment after-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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meuts of one, twp, three, and four years from January 1, 1877, and 
for which the subscribers; agreed to give their respective notes, not 
bearing interest until after due, to the said executors, in trust for the 
said school, so sooh as the amount required to seoure said bequest of 
$40,000 had been pledged. The subscriptions were not to be lield 
binding unless the requisite sum was pledged to secure the bequest of 
Mr. Knox for the school; that a corporation had been duly created 
under the law, which was willing to accept and had accepted this 
bequest made to the agricultural school. This corporation bas been 
made a party by supplemental bill. The controversy, therefore, 
turns uponthe fact, whether there was a subscription made by respon- 
sible citizens of Knoxville and Knox county, to the amount of $40,000, 
for the same objeot and purpose which the testator had in view, 
namely, for the founding and building up of an agricultural school 
near Knoxville, within. the terms of the will. 
I will state my opinion on some of the points made by counsel : 
lu order to give a proper construction to the second codicil of the 
will we must take into consideration the object of the testator. He 
intended to aid in the founding and building of an agricultural 
school near Knoxville ; but in order to aceomplish this he seemed to 
think that something more was necessary than that which he con- 
tributed himself. He obviously deaired that the means of others, 
and those residing in the vicinity where the school was to be located, 
should be added to his own, as well as their influence in favor of the 
institution; for he says that withont their moral and material aid 
he fears that what he can do or wish would be fruitless. But he cer- 
tainly did not contemplate the payment of the whole sum of $40,000, 
which he required from citizens of Knoxville and Knox county, within 
six months after his decease, otherwise he would have so etated. He 
only declared that amount should be pledged and subscribed by re- 
sponsible citizens of Knoxville and Knox county; and he certainly 
was fully aware of the condition, or what might be the condition, of 
his own estate at the time of his death ; that it consisted, as is stated 
by the trustees in their answer, and as the fact appears, largely in 
real estate, scattered in different localities, and even in different 
states ; that it would require possibly some years for his executors to 
realize on this property in such a way as to enable them to pay as 
well the otherbequests which he had made as the particular one to 
the agricultural school near Knoxville, and therefoi-e he did not deem 
it necessary that the money should be paid within the six months, 
but only pledged and subscribed by responsible citizens of the neigh-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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W. &amp; E. T. PiTCH V. A. N. Bbagg &amp; Co. 
{Circuit Court, D. Oonneeticut. Auguat 6, 1881.) 
1. Patent No. 47,764— Snap-Hooks — Vamditt— Infeingembnt. 
Letters patent No. 47,764, granted May 16, 1865, to C. B. Bristol, for an 
improved snap-hook, hda-, valid, and infringed as to ita Jirst claim 
2. Samb— Same— Inpringbmbnt. 
Complainant's snap-hook, in 'which the tongue ia pivoted in a recess oetween 
two cheeks in the shank, with a coiled spring in the recess arranged around 
the pivot so that the two ends of the spring bear, one upon the tongue and 
the other upon the body of the hook, tending to press the tongue up against 
the end of the hook, but yet permitting the tongue to be depressed to open the 
hook, hdd, infringed by defendant'a device having a aimilarly constructed 
shank, and tongue similarly pivoted, with a substantially similar recess in its 
rear end, but in which the ends of the spring within the recess do not project 
forward towards the hook. 
3. Patent— LiBERAL Cokstrotion — Technioal Olaimb— Consthiiction. 
Patents are to be liberally construed so as to give the owner of the patent his 
actual invention, if such favorable construction can fairly be made. Technical 
claims are to be construed with reference to the state of the art, so as to limlt 
the patentee to, and give him the full benefit of, the invention he bas made. 
Eatabrook v. Buribar, 10 O. G. 909. 
4. Same— CoiiBiNATioif— Beneficial Restjlt. 
It is immaterial, in a patent for a combination, whether by means of the 
location of the parts they are severally beneflted or not, provided a new and 
beneficiai efiect is the lesult of the combination. 
Hailea y.Van Wormer, 20 &quot;Wall. 353. 
Joseph S. Beach, for plaintiffs. 
William E. Simonds, for defendants. 
Shipman, D. J. This is a bill in equity, founded upon the alleged 
infringement by the defendants of lettejrs patent granted May 16, 
1865, to Charles B. Bristol and others, assignees of said Bristol, for 
an improved snap-hook. The patent is owned by the plaintiffs. 
Bristors invention [quoting from the testimony of Mr. Earle, the plaintiffs' 
expert] &quot; is an improvement in that class of snap-hooks in which the tongue 
is pivoted in a recess between two cheeks in the shank. In this recess a coil- 
spring is arranged around the pivot so that the two ends of the spring bear, one 
upon the tongue and the other upon the body of the hook, tending to press 
the tongue up against the end of the hook, but yet permit the tongue to be 
depressed to open the hook. In this class of hooks, prier to Bristol, the tongue 
was cast with a recess upon its under side to form two cheeks eorresponding 
to the cheeks in the shank of the hook. The cheeks on the tongue were drilled 
eorresponding to the hole through the cheeks in the shank, so that a rivet 
could be inserted through the sides of the shank and both sides of the tongue, 
to foim the pivot on which the tongue would turn. The coil of the spring was 
arranged around the pivot, the two ends bearing, one upon the shank and one 
upon the hook, as before described.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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give the owner of the patent his actual invention, if such favorable 
construction can fairly be made. The state of the art shows that the 
placing a spring to actuate the tongue in the recess, r, at the side of 
the tongae, vras the distinctive feature of Bristol's invention, and 
was an improvement upon the Judd hook, in which &quot;the spring 
was inserted in the bottom of a channel formed between the two 
cheeks of the shank, and eiiclosed between the two cheeks of the 
tongue.&quot; The rule of construction is clearly stated by Judge Shep- 
ley in Estabrook v. Dunbar, 10 0. G. 909. After saying that tech- 
nical claims are to be construed with reference to the state of the art 
80 as to limit the patentee to, and give him the full beneiit of, the in- 
vention he bas made, the leamed judge says : 
&quot; The general terras and sometiraes special words in the claims must re- 
ceive such a construction as may enlarge or contract the scope of the claim, so 
as to uphold that invention, and only that invention, which the patentee has 
actually made and deseribed, when such construction is not absolutely incou- 
sistent \v;ith the language of the claim.&quot; 
Under this rule, the flrst claim is for a tongue constructed with a 
recess in its aide, opening outward, combined with a coil spring which 
rests in such recess and operates between the body of the hook and 
the tongue. ^ 
The defendants also insist that the claim, if so construed, is in- 
valid, because, if the invention consisted in a combination of a tongue 
having a peculiar recess with a spring, the form of the recess does 
not affect the spring, and consequently the claim is for a mere aggre- 
gation of parts. 
There must be a combination of spring and tongue, and the spring 
must be placed where it can actuate the tongue. The old location 
was in a channel formed between the two cheeks of the tongue. The 
location was objectionable, not because the spring did not cause the 
tongue to snap easily, but because another location would be more 
«conomical and would keep the hook more free from dirt. The new 
combination was of spring and recessed tongae, the recess being so 
constrilcted that by means of the new location of the spring a new 
and beneficiai resuit was attained. It was not material whether the 
benefit was to the spring or not, but it is material that the benefit 
should be the resuit of the new combination. The combination in 
this case does not fall within the principie of Halles v. Van Wormer, 
20 Wall. 353, which condemns a combination creating no new efiect 
as its resiilt. 
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States. Afterwards, the president, by a pardon, remitted to the de- 
fendant the payment of two-thirds of the fine. One-third of tiie fine, 
with interest, was paid into court. The informer claimed, and was 
allowed, ,by the court therefrom the whole of the sum adjudged to 
him, on the ground that the president had no right to remit any of 
the part of the fine so adjudged to the informer, and that he was en- 
titled to the whole of such part as if there had been no remission. 
The conviction was under a statute — act of June 30, 1864, § 41, (13 
St. at Large, 239) — which provided that all suits for fines under it 
should be in the name of the United States. The court remarkei 
that where the prosecution was wholly in the name of the United 
States it saw nothing in any of the authorities which denied to the 
president the power, by pardon, to remit the interest of an informer 
before judgment. 
The view urged by the libellant is that the power of the president 
to pardon is exclusive; that no part of it can be exercised by any 
one else without infringing on the power of the president; that if the 
secretary of the treasury can pardon without the president's concur- 
rence, he may grant pardons which the president would refuse ; that 
if eongress can authorize the secretary to grant pardons, it can itself 
grant them, and prescribe the terms and conditions under which they 
shall be granted ; and that if it can authorize the secretary to remit 
penalties incurred under the statute in question it can authorize him, 
or any one else, to remit the panishment of any offence, and can so 
legislate that after the president bas refused to grant a pardon it can 
still be granted under authority conferred by eongress. In support 
of this view, the case of Ex parte Garland, i Wall. 333, is cited, aa 
holding that the power of the president to pardon is unlimited, ex- 
tending to every offence known to the law, and not subject to legisla- 
tive control, and that eongress can neither remit the effect of such 
pardon nor exclude from its exercise any class of ofienders. The case 
of U. S. V. Klein, 13 Wall. 128, is also referred to, as holding that 
eongress cannot impair the effect of a pardon, because that would be 
to infringe the constitutional power of the president. 
There is not, in this case, any question raised as to the effect of a 
pardon which has been granted by the president, as there was in 
Ex parte Garland and in U. S. \. Klein. The question is not as to 
any restriction of the pardoning power of the president. It is not 
claimed that the secretary alone eould remit this forfaiture, and that 
the president could not. The praetice of the government, as is seen 
from the citations, has been to regard the power of the secretary&lt;noinclude&gt;
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whether this damage was a peril of the sea. The burden in this 
case is on the owner of the vessel to establish the existence of facta 
to make ont the exception. If the cause of the damage is shown to 
be an ordinary risk of navigation, after the exercise on the part of 
those in charge of the vessel of all reasonable precautions to prevent 
the injury, the negligence of the vessel is not made out, otherwise it is. 
It is contended for the claimants that none of the almonds were 
damaged by coming in contact with any portions of the vessel which 
had been stained with petroleum ; that during the voyage there waa 
formed, by reason of the changes of temperature, a large quantity oi 
steam and sweat in the hold of the vessel, which, settling on the 
beams, dropped on the bags of almonds, and thus damaged the 
almonds, because the beat of the hold caused the fumes and vapor 
of petroleum to exude from the wood forming the vessel, and they 
impregnated such steam and sweat, and thus the odor of petroleum 
■vras conveyed to the almonds ; that those in charge of the vessel had, 
after unloading the cargo of petroleum, used proper care to cleanse 
the vessel from all petroleum which had got upon the wood forming 
the vessel before they received the almonds on board, so that the 
vessel, at the time the almonds were taken on board, was in a proper 
condition to receive them; that the damage from such steam and 
sweat, and thus from such impregnation of the almonds with the 
odor of petroleum, was a damage from a peril of the sea; and that 
as the libellants, before they put the cargo on board, knew that the 
vessel had just had on board a cargo of petroleum, the vessel is not 
liable for any damage which the almonds received from fumes or odor 
of petroleum resulting from beat of the hold during the voyage. 
The district court did not determine by what method the taste and 
odor of petroleum were conveyed to the almonds, because it held 
that the liability of the vessel was the same whether petroleum in a 
fluid state or wOod saturated with petroleum came in contact with the 
goods, or whether the vapor of petroleum, produced by the beat of 
«ihe hold, caused the damage, either by tainting the sweat of the hold 
or by tainting the cargo directly. No allowance was made by the 
district court for damage by the steam or sweat of the hold, aside 
from petroleum damage, or for any injury by steam or sweat which 
did not convey petroleum. Allowance was made for only one kind 
of damage : that was petroleum damage, however conveyed, as long 
as it proceeded from the ship. Whether the steam and sweat result- 
ing from beat or otherwise, and neeessary incidents of a voyage at 
,sea. existed or not, it is not a neeessary incident of such steam or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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disagreement between her ownera as to her employment at the in- 
stance of a minority in value. No substantial reason is given for 
declining the jurisdiction, while every argument euggested by anal- 
ogy and convenience is in fayor of it. Story, Part. §§ 437-39 ; 2 Par. 
S. &amp; A. 242; Ben. Ad. § 274. But in a case of an equal division of 
interests, the jurisdiction is generally admitted. Skrine v. The Hope, 
Bee, 2; Orleans v. Phœlms, 11 Pet. 183; Story, Part. § 439; 3 Kent, 
153, 154, note a. ; The Ocean Belle, 6 Ben. 253 ; Davis v. Brig Seneca, 1 8 
Am. Jurist, 486 ; The Marengo, 1 Sprague's Dec. 506 ; Fox v. The Lode- 
meia, Crabbe, 271; Ben. Ad. § 274. 
Yet, under the circumstances of this case, it does not seem equitable 
to order a sale at once, and thereby possibly prevent Caples from 
completing or having the full benefit of a profitable business in which 
he now appears to be engaged. 
The libellant, although entitled to security, bas acquiesced so long 
in Caples using the vessel -without it, that his demand for a com- 
pulsory sale at this juncture is open to the suspicion that he is as- 
serting his right when he may think he has Caples at a disadvantage 
that will oompel him to buy at a high price. But it cannot be de- 
nied that Caples was in the wrong in taking the vessel away from 
Coyne, and enrolling her and employing her in another district, with- 
out giving the proper security, or at least offering to do so, when 
written to by Coyne as aforesaid, or even after the suit was brought, 
instead of which he insisted in his answer upon his right to retain 
the exclusive use and possession of the vessel without security or 
account, during his pleasure. 
The decree of the court will be that within 10 days Hezekiah 
Caples enter into a stipulation with sureties, to be approved by the 
clerk of this court, in double the value of J. F. and George T. Coyne's 
interest in said steamboat Gazelle, to-wit, the sum of $3,000, for 
the return thereof to this port, and to the possession of the libellant, 
on or before January 1, 1882, in as good condition as he received her 
after the repairs upon her machinery, necessary deterioration ex- 
cepted ; and unless he does so, that execution may issue against his 
property for the amount of said value as upon a decree of this court. 
And in default of said stipulation, that said vessel be sold as upon 
execution, and the proceeds brought into this court for distribution; 
and that upon the return of said vessel to this port, as aforesaid, she 
may be sold, and the proceeds disposed of as aforesaid upon the ap- 
plication of either party herein; and that the libellant recover his 
costs and expanses, to be taxed.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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If a citizen had any general or common right to have hia case 
tried in the state court, and this statuts were in derogation of that 
right, there might be some elaim for a strict construction ; but it is not 
at all a common or preferred right or privilege, and the right of the 
other citizen with whom he litigates to have it tried in the federal 
court is entitled to the same consideration. Therefore, the idea that 
the proceeding of removal is in derogation of a right, or is extraor- 
dinary, in the sense of these rules of construction, and to be so strictly 
construed that everything is to be taken against it, is untenable. 
We are to construe it just as we do the statutes giving us original 
jurisdiction, or as the state courts do statutes regulating their ordi- 
nary jurisdiction. Indeed, it is original jvlrisdiction, and the only 
difference is in the mode of acquisition. Murray v. Patrie, 5 Blatohf . 
343, 346. It is not appellate, nor supervisory, nor extraordinary, 
but peculiar; and the peouliarity is that the contending citizens use 
the process of the state courts to originate their litigation, and sub- 
sequently get their controversy into the federal court by removal, 
instead of going there directly, and either bas a right to do it. There 
are some oircumstances under which it is necessary to do this to ob- 
tain the benefit of statutory rights and remedies, that could not other- 
wise be conferred ; as, for example, where a simple contract crediter 
files a bill in this state to set aside a fraudulent conveyance, and 
thereby acquires a statutory lien he would not have, pethaps, if the 
same bill were filed in the federal court. T. &amp; S. Code, (Tenn.) § 
4288. 
Undoubtedly, in the matter of regulating suits, whether commenoed 
here or brought bere after being commenced elsewhere, congress can 
prescribe such conditions precedent for the exercise of the jurisdiction 
as it chooses ; and if it bas said that, as an inexorable rule, we sball 
not proceed in this case unless the record is filed on the first day of 
the term, we must obey it. But the statute does not say so explic- 
itly, and it is pUrely a matter of construction. Being open for con- 
struction, the question is, sball it be construed strictly against the 
jurisdiction, or liberally in favor of it ? If it be a condition preced- 
ent, nothing can dispense with it, not even inevitable accident; and 
this seems to me an &quot;absurd consequence,&quot; considering the^ nature of 
the case, and the character and purposes of the jurisdiction, as declared 
by the constitution, and shown by the history conneeted with its place 
in that instrument. Grammatical analysis of the third section does 
not disclose any intention to attach a forfeiture of the jurisdiction to a 
failure to file the record on the first day; nor does the seventh sec-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/680</title>
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two provisions serve, in my judgment, to illustrat© the whole doc- 
trine of mandatory and directory statutes. Jt does not, on the one 
hand, seem to me, at least, that cong^-ess thought it very important, 
except for tlje prderly and prompt dispatch of business, that the 
transcript should bq fiied on the iirst day of the term of this court; 
and, on the : otherj it does seem impoi'tant and necessary to fix 
some stage of thel proceedings in the state court after which there 
should be no removal. T^txia provision is prohibitory as to time, and 
negative in the very nature of the object the legislature has in view. 
The other is affirmative only; and where this is the case, the courts 
■will not add the words &quot;and not a,fter&quot; by implication, Ryan v. Van- 
landingham; 7 Ind. 417, 424. But even this clause of the statute, 
under the influence of the principle that enlarges the remedy, has 
been, by construction, extended so as to include cases not within its 
letter. Removal Cases, 100 U. S. 457, 473; Nat. Bank v. Wheeler, 13 
Blatchf. 318, 
The authoiity of adjudicated cases is so conflieting that a ruling 
either way on this ground of the motion to remain would find 
support, and I have, therefore, endeavored to get at the governing 
principle, quite independently of the cases more or less closely allied 
to the one we have in hand. Considering that the clause we are 
construing has been in all the acts from 1789 to the present time, 
there are remarkably few cases on the point to be found in the re- 
ports. The only expression of the supreme court is found in the 
Removal Cases, 100 U. S. 457, at p. 475. By fault of the elerk of 
the state court the removing party did not file the transcript on the 
first day, but did on the second, and the court bverruled the objec- 
tion, saying: 
&quot;While the act of congress requires seeurity that the transcript shall be 
flled on the first day, it nowhere appears that the circuit court is to be 
deprived of its jurisdiction if by accident the party is delayed uiitil a later 
day in the term. If the circuit court, for good cause shown, accepta the 
transfer after the day, and during the term, its jurisdiction will, as a general 
rule, be complete and the reinoval properly eliected.&quot; 
This seems to leave the question to the discretion of this court to 
either accept or decline jurisdiction; but, of course, that discretion is 
to be regulated by the rules of law applicable to the proper construc- 
tion of the statute and correct practice under it. In the cases 
already cited it will appear that there is much more latitude allowed 
where the delay is caused by the act of an officiai than where it is 
caused by the act of the party himself. 2 Am. L. Beg. (N. S.) 409,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/690</title>
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of the law of the state as applicable to that case, or until there is an 
appearance there for him by some representative authorized by the 
state law to appear for him without process, 
It is insisted by the learned counsel for the petitioner here that 
McKenna, having since he filed the petition become the regular 
guardian, may ratify what he bas done as next friend, and tbua per- 
fect the removal. Potential as the principle of ratification some- 
times is, I do not think it can be safely applied. to supply a want of 
compliance with those conditions prescribed by the statutory or mu- 
nicipal law as a prerequisite for obtaining jurisdiction over the per- 
son or property of an infant. If the infant oould herself ratify, it 
might be different. No case cited justifies the argument in favor of 
the doctrine. McKenna was not a guardian, either regular or ad litem, 
at the time of filing this petition; no process had been served or sub- 
stituted by publication ; and the state court had obtained no jurisdic- 
tion over the infant when he came, in and as next friend sought to 
remove the caSe in her behalf. The merely filing the bill and nam- 
ing her as defendant did not make her a party. She had no power 
to voluntarily appear and waive process, and no one was authorized 
to appear for her. Subsequently he did obtain the necessary author- 
ity by bis appointment as guardian in a case like this, under the 
state statutes, to appear voluntarily, for it is a case, I think, where 
service of process on the guardian alone binds the infant; and where 
that is the case I do not see why he may not voluntarily so appear 
without process. But these statutes only operate in the state court, 
and can confer no power to voluntarily appear in a federal court 
where the notion of a voluntary appearance by a guardian or any one 
else to bind an infant is wholly unknown. The only theory on which 
it could be permitted is that we are here, pro hac vice, in these re- 
moval causes, a state court, with the same powers under these state 
statutes that those courts possess. I think this is not the theory of 
the act of congress, but the one I have indicated, which is that the 
defendant comes from the state court only after he is properly there 
by an appearance in that court. Besides this, in a former part of 
this opinion we have seen how strictly we are bound to the conditions 
of the removal act in order to acquire jurisdiction; and it seems to 
me plain that the petitioner cannot depend on a subsequentlyracquired 
authority to aid the petition for removal. 
It is further insisted that this is a case arising under the constitu- 
tion and laws of the United States and that we have jurisdiction here 
irrespective of QItizenship, and for that reason this case should not&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/698</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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courts ; tut it does not follow from this that when a conflict arises 
we. must apply the test of the right of succession in determining the 
conflict, nor that the domicile of succession must be inevitably the 
one that settles this suable citizenship, if I may so oall it. Simple 
residence is the usual test of the place to sue a man ; and while I do 
not depart from the established doctrine that citizenship is something 
more than residence, I am not prepared to hold that it is nothing less 
than the domicile of succession. 
I do not overlook the fact urged in argument that the fourteenth 
amendment to the constitution bas declared that &quot;all persons born 
or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction 
thereof are citizens of the United States, wherein they reside.&quot; Const. 
art.' 14. '&quot;■''. 
But I do not understand that thisM bas enlarged the judteial 
power of the United States under article 3, § 2, so as to include oon- 
troversies bctween persons, who would be citizens ,of the same state, 
ag theretofore understood, but w,ho are novf simply residents ot differ- 
ent states, as contradistinguished from ^exsoxxs dorniciled in different 
states. But ,^e have the same tests of citizenship now as before the 
amendment. Robertson y. Cease, 97 U. S.i646, M9; NaL Bank y. 
Teal, 5 Fed. Ebp. 503^ 505. I think these yiews will find support in 
the follo-wing authorities, and the cases cited by them : 2 Kent, (12th 
Ed.) 233, note c, 225,. 226, note 1, (d,) 430, note 1, 431, 49, 71, 72 
Scjjoul. Dom. Bel. part 3, passim, pp. 312, 412, 452, 442, 393, 394; 
314, 367, 372, 591, 598 ; Story, Conf. L. (5th Ed.) passim, §§ 39, 49 
§■'46, and note 4, §§631, .543, § 480, et,seq.,:e92et seq.; Phil 
Dom. passim, c. 3, c. 7; Westl. Priv, Int. L. §§.35, 36, 37, 34, 316 
Whart. Conf. L. (2d Ed.) passijfi, §§ 8, 10, 10a, c. 2, passim., §§ 24 
29, 41-.43, 55-66, 67-77, 81, 82, ,396, 704, 720; Bump, Fed. Proc 
130, 185, 217; Dill. Eem. (2d Ed.) 67,^nd notes; Somerville v. Som- 
erville, 5 Ves. 750, (Perkin's Ed.) and notes; Allen v, Thomasonj 11 
Humph. 535; Cloud v. Hamilton, la. 104; Ross v. Ross, 129 Mass. 
243; Tirrell v. Bacon, 3 Fed. Eep, 62; Collinson y. Teal, 4: Sawy. 
241; Holmes v. Railroad Co. 5 Fed,., Ejsp. 523, 526. And see 11 
Cent. L. J. 421; 12 Cent. L. J. 51. 
I do not treat this subject with a more exact and critical observa- 
tion of the authorities, because, whilo I am inclined to think that an 
infant child may, at least to the estent of conferriug the right to sue 
and be sued in the federal courts, with the consent of its father, ac- 
quire in the father's life-time such a domicile in another state than 
that of the father's domicile as will make it a citizen of that state, I&lt;noinclude&gt;
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cause should be remanded. Keith v.Levi,! McGrary, 343.* But 
vf&amp; are inclined to think that, where nothing to tiie contrary appears, 
the court ougtrt to presume, froin the fact that a' suit has been com- 
menced, that there is a controversy between the parties; If the 
defendant has made a def ault, or if, having appeared, he bas admitted 
the justice of the plaintiff's claim, in either case there is no contro- 
versy ; but where the plaintiff has brought bis suit and the defendant 
has appeared, and, not being in default for want of pleading, has 
petitioned for a reihoval, under the act of congress, we think we are 
bound to presume that there is a controversy. The presumption in 
every case is, -where a suit is brought, that there is a controversy 
between the parties, unless the contrary appear frofla the record. This 
was the view of the subject evidently taken by oongress in theienact- 
ment of the third section of the act above cited. By that section it is 
provided — , 
&quot;That whenever either party, or any one or more of ^he plaintiflfs. or defend- 
ants entitled to remove any suit mentioned in the next preceding- section, 
shall desire to remove such suit from a state court to the circuit court of the 
United States, he or they may make and flle &amp; petition in such suit in^ such 
state court before.or at the term at which said cause could be firsttried,&quot;etc.' 
In very few, if in any, of the states of the Union are there auy 
statutes authorizihg the filing of an answer before the first term; 
There is no siich statute in this state, and, inasmuch as the: act 
of congress expressly authorizes the petition for removalto be made' 
before the term at which the case could be first tried, it followsiithat 
the petition may, in iuany cases, be presented before any an'swer or 
demurrer is authorized to be filed. Besidesy we are both of the opinion 
that it aflfirmatively appears from this record that there is a contro-; 
versy, The petition for removal distinctly so states, andit is aworn 
to. There is certainly nothing in the statute requiring that the fact 
of a controvei'sy shall appear either by an anawet or a demurrer. : If 
it appears from the record, whether by the petition for 'rerixo val; or 
otherwise, it is sufficient. ,- ' , 
The case of Stanbrough v. Griffin, 52' Iowa, 112, is relied upon by 
the counsel for plaintiff. In that easfe Rothtock, J., expresses the opin- 
ion that a removal is not authorized in a case where th«re isnp 
answer or demarrer, and the record does not show that there is ai 
controversy between the parties. The question whether the petition 
for removal was sufficient to show the controversy, was not considered 
in that case; and, indeed, the poiiit was not neeessary to-be decided&gt; 
*S. C. 2 FED. IlEP. 743. ■&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/702</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and the remarks of the jndge concemiiig it are dicta. Notwithsfand- 
ing our high regard for the supreme court of Iowa, we are unable to 
concur in the view expressed by Rothrock, J., on this question. 
The motion to remand is overruled. 
LovBj D. J., concurs. 
United States v. Moselt and others. 
(District Court, D. Colorado. July 25, 1881.) 
1. Btjecties— Bonds— Ambndmbiits. 
Where property nnder seizure la delivered to a claimant on his giving a bond 
conditioned that he would pay the value of the property into court if it were 
condemned as forfeited by the final decree, Tield, that the liability of surettes on 
the bond is flxed on the renderlng of such a decree, though the Ilbel on which 
It was rendered was amended subsequently to the execution of the bond. 
A. P. Van Dmee, Asst. U. S. Atty., for the United States, 
Latimer e Morrow, for defendants. 
HoFFMAN, D. J. The ground of forfeiture set forth in the original 
libel in this case was, in substance, that the master and crew of the 
Bchooner San Diego had, without the consent of the Alaska Com- 
mercial Company, taken and killed seals in the waters adjacent to 
the islands of St. Paul and St. George, in Alaska territory, in viola- 
tion of section 1967 of the Revised Statutes. 
The amended bill alleges the killing to have been done &quot;within the 
limits of Alaska territory, and in the waters thereof, to-wit, on and 
near Otter island, and in the neighborhood of and adjacent thereto, 
in violation of section 1956 of the Revised Statutes. 
The killing alleged in either case was unlawful and contrary to the 
provisions of title 13, c. 3, of the Revised Statutes, enacted for the 
protection and preservation of fur-bearing animais in Alaska territory. 
But the pleader was misinformed as to the precise locus in quo 
where the killing was eliected. He was therefore allowed to amend 
his libel so as to conform to the facts. On this amended libel the 
vessel and skins were condemned. The claimants had previously 
given bonds for the appraised value of the vessel and cargo. The 
present suits are brought on these bonds, and it is contended on the 
part of the sureties that the eflfect of allowing the amendment which 
bas been mentioned was to exonerate them from all liability under 
their bonds, by means of which they obtained a delivery to them of 
the property seized.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/714</title>
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But in the case of any &quot;instrument or document&quot; other than nego- 
tiable paper, the intention or purpose of . the party to or for whom it 
is made or delivered, or the use he puts it to or makes of it, is simply 
immaterial. Nor is it material in this suit whether the Drains caused 
this deed to be made within the meaning of the statute or not, and 
could only become so in an action against them for the penalty im- 
posed by the aot. If their grantor omitted to stamp it, as requii-ed 
by law, with the intent to defraud the revenue, it is void, no matter 
who, or whether any one, caused them to do so. Nor does it appear 
that the Drains caused this deed to be made, otherwise than by be- 
coming the actual purchasers of the property described therein ; and 
that this did not bring them within the purview or penalty of the 
statute is too plain for argument. 
The proposed amendment is immaterial, and that is a sufficient 
reason why the motion should be denied. But I do not think this 
amendment ought to be allowed, even if it contained the allegation 
that the deed to the Drains is void because the grantor therein made 
and delivered the same to them without its being duly stamped, and 
with the intent to defraud the United States. 
Amendments to a bill, af ter a demurrer thereto bas been Bustained, 
are not allowed as a matter of right, but rest in the discretion of the 
court, and are only allowed when they are necessary to promote or 
attain the ends of justice in the case. Hunt v. Bousmaniere, 2 Mason, 
365. 
The case sought to be made against the defendants by the amend- 
ment is this : J. A., being a co-surety with the plaintiflf on an officiai 
bond, is alleged to have conveyed the premises to his son without or 
upon a grossly inadequate consideration, with intent to defraud the 
state and theplaintiff, who has sincebeen compelled topay the bond. 
But it is admitted that the Drains purchased from the son for a suffi- 
cient consideration, and without notice of such fraudulent intent, 
and are therefore not affected by it. Coneeding this, however, it is 
claimed that the deed to the Drains is void because their grantor only 
put a stamp of the value of 50 cents on it when he should have put 
two dollars, with intent to defraud the revenue of the difference; and 
therefore the property, for the purpose of this suit, must be consid- 
ered as still held by the son under the fraudulent deed from J. A„ 
and subject to be applied upon the latter's debt to the plaintiff. 
But the plaintiff also imputes another, and, in my judgment, a 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/716</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Hayes V. Dayton. 
{Oircuit Court, S. D. New Ywk. November 10, 1880.) 
1&gt; Equitt PjjBading — MuiiTiFARioDSNESB — Infbingement op Lettehs Patbkt. 
A bill brought by a patentee to recover profits and damages for an alleged 
infringement of 38 claims in six difEerent patents, is demurrable on the ground 
cl multifariousness, where there is nothing in the bill to show that any two or 
more of the patents are in fact, or are capable of being, used in making a single 
structure, or that the defendant has so used them, and where the defendant 
would be clearly prejudiced by being compelled thiis to defend himself in one 
suit against so many alleged causes of action. 
a. EqUITY RuLB 37 CONSTRtJED. 
Equity rule 37 applies where a demurrer and an answer are put in at the 
same time to the whole of a bill. 
J. H. Whitelegge, for plaintif. 
G. G. Frelinghuysen, for defendant. 
Blatchford, g. J. The bill in this case states that the plaintiff 
invented certain &quot;improvements in ventilators, skylighta, skyiight 
turrets, conservatories, and other glazed structures and ventilating 
louvres&quot; described in &quot;several letters patent and reissues thereof.&quot; 
It then avers that he obtained six several patents, Nos. 94,203 and 
100,143 and 106,157 and 112,594 and 143,149 and 143,153; that 
he obtained reissues of all of them, the reissues being six in num- 
ber, one of each, (though it does not appear of whioh original any 
particular reissue is the reissue,) the reissues being numbered 8,697 
and 8,674 and 8,675 and 8,676 and 8,688 and 8,689; and that 
sinoe the reissues the defendant has, without authority, infringed 
said several reissues, and made, used, and sold said inventions. The 
bill interrogates the defendant as to whether he has made and sold 
&quot;ventilators, skylights, skyiight turrets, conservatories, and other 
glazed structures, and ventilating louvres, and embraced within any 
or either&quot; of the said &quot;several letters patent and reissued letters 
patent;&quot; also, in four several questions, as to -whether he has made, 
sold, or used what is claimed in each one of four claims in reissue 
No. 8,597, quoting it; and the like as to each one of fifteen claims in 
reissue No. 8,674, and of seven claims in reissue No. 8,675, and of 
two claims in reissue No. 8,676, and of seven claims in reissue No. 
8,688, and of three claims in reissue No. 8,689, there being 38 sev- 
eral claims thus inquired about. The bill prays for a recovery of the 
profits and damages from the said unlawful making, using, and sell- 
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suit against the defendant, substantially avers that the bill is brought 
for several matters and causes which are separate and distinct one 
from the other, and are not alleged to be conjointly infringed by the 
defendant. This means that the patents sued on are distinct one 
from the other, and that they are not alleged to be conjointly in- 
fringed in any one article which the defendant has made or used or 
sold. This averment of the demurrer is true. 
Where there is a joinder of distinct claims between the same par- 
ties, it has never been held, as a general proposition, that they can- 
not be united, and that the bill is, of course, demurrable for that 
cause alone. Nor is there any positive, inflexible rule as to what, in 
the sense of courts of equity, constitutes a fatal multifariousness on 
demurrer. A sound discretion is always exercised in determining 
whether the subject-matters of the suit are properly joined or not. It is 
not very easy, apriori,to say exactly what is or what ought to be the true 
line regulating the course of pleading on this point. AU that can be 
done, in each particular case as it arises, is to consider whether it 
comes nearer to the class of decisions where the objection is held to 
be fatal, or to the other class, where it is held not to be fatal. In new 
cases the court is governed by those analogies which seem beat 
founded on general convenience, and will best promote the due admin- 
istration of justice, without multiplying unnecessary litigation on the 
one hand, or drawing suitors into needless and oppressive expenses 
on the other. Story, Eq. PL §§ 531, 539; Horman Patent Manufg 
Co. v, Brooklyn City R. Co. 15 Blatehf. 444. 
We are not without caaes on the subject, in suits on patents, in 
this country. In Nourse v. Allen, 4 Blatehf. 376, in 1869, before 
Mr. Justice Nelson, a bill on four patents was held good, on demurrer, 
where it alleged that the machine sued oontained all the improve- 
ments in all the patents. The court thought that the convenience of 
both parties, as well as a saving of the expenses in the litigation, 
seemed to be consulted in embraoing all the patents in one suit, in 
such a case ; and that although the defenoes, as respected the several 
improvements, might be different and unconnected, yet the patents 
were connected with each other in each infringing machine. 
In Nellis v. McLanahan, 6 Pieh. Pat. Cas. 286, in 1873, before 
Judge McKennan, it was held that where a suit in equity ia brought 
for the infringement of several patents for different improvements, 
not necessarily embodied in the construction and operation of any one 
machine, the bill must coutain an explicit avermeut that the infring-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ties to make the license local and personal. The stipulation at the 
end of the agreement looks to a further license from Lilienthal in 
case the Moseses should sell out or move. But be that as it may, the 
Swan patent set forth in the bill is not referred to in the document. 
The decree is that Lilienthal is the owner of the Lambert process ; 
that Washburn bas infringed upon his rights, and must account for 
the profits which have accrued to him thereby; and that an injunction 
issue restraining the further use of the patent in controversy. 
MoKloskey V. Du Bois and others. 
iCircuit Court, S. D, New York. April 28, 1881.) 
1. Lbttbbs Patent— PiillMBEBB' Traps — Novelty. 
-■Where old and new plumbers' traps differ only in the partioular that the 
former are cast and the latter are drawn through a die, a patent issued on such 
new traps is void for want of novelty. 
2. EVIDENCB— JUDICIAL KifOWtEDGE. 
The court will not take judicial notice of any substantial difference between 
lead, or other soft metal suitable for the purpose of making such traps, whea 
cast and when drawn. 
In Equity. 
James A. Whitney, for plaintiff. 
Peter Van Antwerp and Rodney Mason, for defendants. 
Wheeleb, D. J. This case rests upon letters patent No. 220,767, 
issued to the orator and purporting to be for an improvement in soft- 
metal traps. Several questions arise upon the defences made, and 
among them one upon the patent itself , as to whether it covers any pat- 
entable invention, or any invention at all. 
The specification states : 
&quot;The object of this invention is to provide what are commonly termed 
' plumbers' traps' (which are ordinarily made of lead) of a quality superior to 
those made before the date of my invention, and at much less expense. The 
said invention comprises, as a new article of manufacture, a die-drawn seam- 
less soft-metal trap, the same being the trap resulting from the practice of 
the means and methods herein specified as embraced in my invention — the 
practice of the process of causing soft metal to issue with variable velocities, 
or in variable quantifies, at opposite sides of an annulai die.&quot; 
Then, what the figures accompanying are, one being a sectional and 
another a side view of the traps, and the rest views of apparatus to 
make them; and then that —&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ate far the same purpose in precisely the same way. The new 
are said to be of uniform thickness about the bends, but so are the 
old; the new are said to be seamless, but the old are solid at the 
juncture of the moulds ; the new are said to be marked with &quot;longi- 
tudinal straitions,&quot; but these have nothing whatever to do with the 
quality or operation of the trap. They are merely the inevitable 
marks of the die. They are said to distinguish in appearance the new 
from the old, but that would only be the subject of a design patent, if 
any. The only difference there can be, in reality, is that one is cast 
and the other is drawn. If there is any substantial difference be- 
tween lead or other suitable soft metal, when cast, and when wrought 
or drawn, well enough known to be the subject of judicial notice, the 
court should doubtless regard that difference. There is a well-known 
difference betweencast iron and wrought iron; but this isnot because 
castiog makes the difference. Only iron of the quality of cast iron 
can be cast. It is not so, or is not commonly known to be so, of 
lead, or other suitable soft metals. They may be either moulded or 
wrought or drawn of the same quality, and are apparently of the same 
quality when done. These old and new traps are therefore alike, in 
thCi sense of the patent law. They are of the same material, and 
accpmplish the same result in the same way. The sole difference is that 
in appearance between the bark-like surface of one and the straited 
surface of ^he other. There is nothing between the two to be in- 
vented and the patent covers no invention. Wood Paper Patent, 23 
Wall. 662. However meritorious an invention of the meansfor mak- 
ing a drawn trap might be, this patent, which, while it describes 
means, is for the product only, bas nothing to rest upon. 
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duty of the pilot of the Neil to keep as near as practicable to the 
island, that being to his larboard. This he did not do, for the col- 
lision occurred at .least 100 yards, and probably much more than 
that, from the shore of the island. It ispretty evident, I think, from 
the testimony, that the pilot of the Neil, by backing his fessel tipon 
a straight rudder, caiised her bow to incline towards the center of 
the channel aud thus to corne into collision xvith the other vessel. 
But, whatever the reason may be, the fact is clear that the Neil was 
not as near to the island as she should have been, and was therefore 
in f ault. Was the Hickory also in f ault ? As to the width of the 
navigable channel at the place of collision, and as to the distance 
from the shore of the island to the place of ; collision, there is much 
uncertaiinty in the evidence. It is clear that the main channql runs 
near the island, but iitas also clear that there was at th^^t time good 
navigable water for a distance of nearly half a mile. The Hickory 
was bound to give the Neil plenty of room to pass along near the 
shore of the island and to bear over towards the main shore for that 
purpose. I think it fair to say that if the Neil had fully one-half of 
the ordinary channel in which to pass down she was bound to keep 
within it. If she was seen further out in time f or the pilot of the Hicli- 
ory to have avoided this collision by bearing still further over towards 
the main shore, then it was hi^ duty to havie dope so. , But if the 
pilot of . the Hickpry so directed his vessel that he believed he was 
giving the Neil plenty of room, and if but for the sudden ti^rning of 
the bow of the latter across the channel she wquld have had, plenty 
of room, then I think the fault was wholly with the J^eil, and this 
latter seems to have been the fact. By some failure to manage the 
Neil flucoessfully, while backing her for the purpose of bringing her 
near the island, her bow was thrown suddenly outward, apd being 
probably caught by the carrent she was placed in a position almost 
at right angles with the channel, and this at a moment too late ,for 
the Hickory to change her course and avoid the accident, The 
pilot of the Hickory had, with good reason, caloulated that , the bow 
of the Neil would be kept, down stream, and it see^is that, if this 
reasonable expectation had been realized, there would'haye been up 
collision. , : ; 
In rieaching this conclusion I give considerable weiglit, to the 
finding of the boardiof, arbitrators, composed of experts seiected by 
the parties themselyes, who, by agreement of parties, heard the testir 
mony and rendejred itheir award in the ,co)irt below. Their fiuding&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/734</title>
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tion between the present case and The Germania, 9 Ben. 356, is satis- 
factorily shown. 
There must be a decree for the libellant for $3,000, with interest 
from November 8, 1880, and his costs taxed in the district court at 
$325.30, and his costs in this court to be taxed. 
See 2 FED. Kep. 241. 
The Asa Eldeidge. . i 
[District Court, 8. D. FloridM. 1881.) : 
1. Ax&gt;MiKAi,TT Lien. 
A chatiy-party givee uo maritime lien on thevessel uniess cargo is laden 
underit. 
Libel in Admiralty. 
, IF.C. MaZonr/, Jr., for libellant. 
W. Bethel, for respondent. 
Locke, D. J. This is an action in rem on a maritime contract, based 
upon a eharter-patty, for a non-compliance with its terms. It appears 
that after the charter party had been duly executed, the master and 
part owner, who had made the same, declined and refused to obey 
the instructions given, and neglected to proceed to the port where it 
was intended to put on board the cargo, so that the libellant was 
eompelled to charter another vessel, to his damage. 
The first question is whether an action in rem can be sustained. 
The language of the charter-party gives no direct or positive pledg- 
ing of the vessel, but the binding clause is in these words : &quot;And for 
hhe faithful performance of this agreement the respective parties do 
hereby bind themselves, each unto the other, in the sum of $800, 
United States currency.&quot; 
There being no binding of the vessel by the terms of the charter- 
party, nor taking of cargo on board, there is no maritime lien or 
hypothecation which will support an action in rem. Vandewater v. 
Milla, 19 How. 82. 
The libel must be dismissed, with costs.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/747</title>
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      <text bytes="2554" sha1="7dff27lhl4udck6n7klvjifxoa77srq" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;NAT. BANK OP WINTERSET V. EIBE. 733 
Nat. Bank of Wintheset ». Bybb and otners. 
(Uireuit Court, D. Iowa. July 16, 1881.) 
1. Set-0ff8 — Attornbtb' Liens— JuDaMENTS. 
An attorney's lien upon a judgment is subject to any existing right of Set-ofl 
in the other party to the suit. 
In Equity. 
On the thirtieth of April, 1880, complainant recovered a Judgment 
in the circuit court of Madison county, Iowa, against respondent 
Eobert Eyre, for the sum of $2,877. On the twenty-first of October, 
1880, the said respondent Eobert Eyre recovered judgment in this court 
against complainant for the sum of $287.12. On the first of Novem- 
ber, Wainwright &amp; Miller, attorneys for Eobert Eyre, filed their notice 
under the statute, claiming an attorney's lien upon the last-named 
judgment for the full amount thereof. Execution having been issued 
upon the last-named judgment, complainant files this bill alleging 
the foregoing facts, and prays that proceedings under the same be 
enjoinedj and that the right of set-off be decreed. Eespondents de- 
niur to the bill. 
McCaughan, Dahney de McCaughan, for complainant. 
Parsons d: Runnells and Wainwright &lt;e Miller, for respondents. 
MoCbaet, g. J. The right of set-off exists under the statute unless 
it is defeated by the attorneys' lien, claimed by Wainwright &amp; 
Miller. Code of Iowa, 1873, § 3097. The statute is declaratory of 
the common law and of the general principle of equity, according to 
which mutual judgmentswill generally be set off the one against the 
other. 2 Story, Eq. Jur. § 1437. Before the respondent Eyre ob- 
tained his judgment against the bank he was indebted to the bank 
on a judgment of over $2,800. The bank pleaded this judgment as 
a set-off against his claim in the suit of Eyre against the bank 
in this court, but a demurrer to that part of the answer was sustained, 
upon the ground that mutual judgments are to be set off the one 
against the other after their rendition. Can the right of set-off be 
defeated by the filing of an attorney's lien ? I think not. If Eyre 
had assigned his entire claim before judgment to Wainwright &amp; 
Miller, and they had sued on it, I think it clear that the assignment 
would have been subject to the set-off previously held by the bank. 
The claim was not negotiable, and the assignees would have taken it 
subject to any defence existing in the hands of the bank. Surely no 
greater right can be acquired by the filing of an attorneys' lien than 
would have resulted from such an assignment. I think the weight&lt;noinclude&gt;
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real estate, they had resolved to issue execution. They were induced, 
however, by the debtors, and the representatives of Mrs. Benton and 
Judge Waller, to withhold for 48 hours, under a promise. that the 
sinall judgments wonld be paid, and a statement furnished, in the 
mean time. Instead of making any serions effort to redeem this 
promise, (and it is quite manifest that none was intended to be made,) 
the debtors and the representatives of Mrs. Benton and Judge Waller 
immediately had judgraent entered on the $20,000 note, and an exe- 
cution isSUed, covering more than twioe the value of all the property 
the .debtors owned. Here, again, was. an attempt to secure advan- 
tage by means of bad faith and. imposition. The subject need :nfit 
be pUrsued. 'Sufficient bas been sadd to justify the eeaiolusion that 
the Benton-Waller execution must be postponed. It seems proper 
ta say in this connection, that. Judge Waller, who resides at ^ 
distance, had very little personal.,ponnection with the transaction 
involved, aiid probably no personad knowledge of the particular.fea- 
tures whioli have given rise to this oontroversy. The general soope 
of iiis attorney's authority covered all matters involved, and he tniist 
bear the consequences. The authority of the attorney bas not been 
questioned by him-; and no one elsoican question it. 
We do not see anything in the evidence to justify a belief that the 
execution on the syndicate judgment was procured by the debtors, in 
violation of the bankrupt law. It is true that an agreement was 
entered into when the judgment was confessed, that these creditors 
should have a preference over all others, of execution against the 
personalty of the debtors; and be notified by the debtors when dan- 
ger thf eatened from other sources. As we have seen, however, the 
debtors not only failed to perform this agreement, but sought to defeat 
these creditors by a preference of the Benton-Waller judgment, whose 
amount exeeeds twice the value of all their property. The subsequent 
notice was unimportant, The debtors then supposed the plaintiffs 
could get nothing, It was notice that an execution would do no good, 
and was as well calculated to induce them to desist, as to proceed. 
They could get nothing except by defeating the object of the debtora. 
It would be a perversion of language to say that this execution was 
procured to give the plaintiffs a preference. The master's finding as 
respects the rights of the syndicate creditors, between themselves, is 
adopted. 
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this finding and report of the master defendants have filed 13 excep- 
tions. . 
The first seven exceptions assert iu substance that it was incum- 
bent on complainant to show by the proof that defendants Hot only 
made profits by the use of complainant's device in their machine, but 
the specifie amountof such profits; that complainant has not only 
failed to make such proof, but. also that the testimony taken and 
reported affirmatively shows that defendants have made no profits by 
the use of complainant's &quot;long 'swing&quot; feature in their machines. 
These exceptions I shail first consider. i 
In a brief opinionj, directing a second reference to the master, I 
stated that the master would be directed to hear proof &quot;as to what 
this 'long swing' element in defendants' cultivator, \irhich belongs to, 
complainant, is worth to defendants' machine; how much it adds to 
the value of defendants' maohiue-^he saleable value.&quot; I assume 
that this must be the basis of the inquiry. I consider the law to^ b&amp; 
well Bettled that when a complainant's patent oovers but one of many 
features of a machine, the gains on the whdie machine cannot be 
reckoned as damage, but only tha gains arising from the use of the 
special device or element covered by the coiEplain&amp;nt's patent. If 
the other parts of the machine which go to makf the whole a complete 
and operative organism manufactured by defendants are covered by 
patents in which complainant has no interest, or even if they are 
public property, the complainant cannot claim profits made by the 
use of such parts, even in combination with his device. For illus- 
tration, if an operative cultivator could be made without the use of 
any patented device, but by the use of a certain patent a better or 
improved cultivator can be made, the damages to the patentees for 
the use of a patent so used would be the increased value given the 
machine by the use of the patent, not the profits on the entire ma- 
chine. This rule was recognized in the Caivood Patent Case, 94 U. 
S. 710, where the supreme court said: 
&quot; In settling an account between a patentee and an infringer of a patent, 
the question is not what profits the latter has made in liis business, or from 
his manner of conducting it, but what advautage has he derivcd from his use 
of the patented invention.&quot; 
So, also, Justice Hunt said, in Oould Manufg Co. v. Cowing, 8 0. 
G.-278: , _,;■;'■ 
&quot; I understand the rule to be settled that when the i)atent'is for an improve- 
ment upon a machine, tl\e damages for the infringemeiit of such patent are 
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j ; EoBSinSH, Adm'r, «. Hermann.* 
j {Ovreait Court, D. IncUana. 1881.) 
1. NhSLIGHNCE— CONTBACT AS TO. 
A contract between employer and employe, whereby the employe, in consid- 
eration of tte employment, agree^ ta release and discharge his employer from 
, all damages on a^count of accident or death to the employe, caused by the neg- 
ligence of his employer or co-employes, is void as against public policy. 
Tiiis was an action brought by Peter Eoesner, administrator of the 
estate of George Eeed, against Henry Hermann, on account of the 
death of Eeed while in the defendant's employ, alleged to have 
resulted from the defendant's negligent use of defective and unsafe 
machinery. The defendant, in one of his answers, pleaded his re- 
lease and discharge f rom all damages under and by virtue of the fol- 
lowing agreement, viz. : 
, in consideration of the emplcyment given me by Henry Hermann, and m 
an inducement and as a' consideration to said Hermann to actuate him to 
take and engage me into his employ, I herewith grant, bargain, and stipulate, 
fbr mj^elf, my heirs, exeeutori*, tfdministrators, assigns, or personal repre- 
sentatives, whoever they may be; to and with said Henry Hermann, his heirs, 
execfttprs,; administratorSi ahd assigns, that I, being such employe of said 
Herniann, will not hold said Hermann, whatever befalls me during sijch em- 
ployment, responsible or liable in any sum, or forany daniages whatever; 
and I hereby release, and discharge, said Heriniann from all liability herein, to me 
at liij^ personkl representatives, for loss,&quot; damage, suffering, siekness, ailment, 
ddathjOr harm, of whatsoever nature or kind I or they, my personal repre; 
sentativies, may sufEer by reason of.any accident, mishap, death, or damage 
occurring to me while in the employ, of said Hermann, whether it arise from 
n^giigeiice of said Hermann or by^pcjjaent, or by reason of the negligence of 
tiie Qther of said Hermann's employes, or be the cause or mishap whatsoever 
It Ihay ; i hereby diseharging him, satd Hermann, as heretofore shown, from all 
kindand nature and mannex of liabiHty whatsoever, by reason of negligence 
on his part, omission of duty,'or aocident, allring such employment, from date 
herepf f orever, \ 
And jn addition I also promise a,nd agree to work not less than 10 hours 
per day, while in the emplpy of .said Hermann, under penalty of forfeiture 
and. damages. 
■ ; ■ . ■ . ''■-' his 
[Signedl George X Eged. 
' ' - mark. 
, iSigned in the presence of &quot;VVi Gt. BoEPPLE. 
The plaintif demurred iothis answer, and, after argument, th© 
demurrer was sustained. : No 'written^ opinion was filed. 
. . Chas. Ji&gt;enl&gt;y skiad J. S. Buehanan, for plaintili. 
Chas. L. Wedding and Jas. L. Shackelford,. for defendant. 
*Reported by Chas. L. Holstein, United States Attoriiuy.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of the logs binding upon Paine &amp; €o, ? There was no evidence of 
the express (direct) appointment of Idispn to sell them. His author- 
ity could only be inferred from the relation of the parties, or proved 
by the subsequent ratification of the contract. Briefly, the court 
instructed the jury that the relation of the parties, (Idison being 
defendants' general agent for the sajle of manufactured lumber, sash, 
doors, etc.,) did net authorize him to make the contract, and left the 
question of ratification to the jury, omitting such of the instructions 
asked not pertinent to the case. Neither abstract questions of law 
were given, nor the exact language of plaintiflf's requests. 
In reference to the claim urged, that defendants, with full knowl- 
edge of Idison's act, and with a copy of the contract in their posses- 
sion, by acquiescence, had ratified it, the court, in substance, said : 
When information is given of the action of an agent who exceedg'bis 
authority, it is the duty of the principal, as soon as possible, to 
repudiate it. It is not fair dealing, under such circumstances, to 
reject the contract and not inform the other party, (as the plaintiff 
in this case,) of its repudiation. This covered the request asked, and 
I see no error in the instruction. In fact, I am satisfied with the 
charge, as a whole, and think the case was fairly placed before the 
jury, according to the testimony. There is, however, a troublesome 
feature of the case, and a new trial chould be granted. 
The plaintiff offered certain letter-press copies of his own letters, 
containing competent and material evidence. No notice to produce 
the originals had been given, and they were excluded. ' 
On the trial plaintiff 's counsel stated, and now reiterates, Ibat the 
rule had been established in the Iowa district, with the coticurrence of 
all the judges, &quot;that letter-ptess copies made at the time of letters 
written and sent by mail between parties to a suit are iiot copies in 
the sense of the rule requiring notice, but are duplicate originals.&quot; 
I declined to recognize any such rule, but offered to withdraw a juror 
and postpone the trial to the next term; but for some reason the 
counsel determined to proceed and accept the decision. I was under 
the impression at the time that the amount inyolved would permit a 
writ of error, and the plaintiff, in case of an adverfee verdict,, could 
take advantage of this ruling against him. It now appears the 
judgment of this court is conelusive, and while I am of the opinion 
that the copies were properly excluded and if a writ of eiror could 
be taken would not disturb the verdict, yet there is a possibility of 
error in rejecting the evidence. The counsel aSseverates that my 
opinion is in conflict with airth,e judges of the Iowa district. A&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/808</title>
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charged, 'and the sale made in compliance with the law, with no de- 
fect in the proceedings which invalidates the purchaser's title. It 
was admitted at the hearing that the rents of the property in contro- 
verse have amounted to $18 per month. The judgment will be for 
the plaintiff for the possession of the property, and for $243.60 for 
rents and costs of suit. 
Stout V. Sioux CiTT &amp; Pacific R. Co. 
{Circuit Court, D. Nebraslca. January, 1881.) 
1. RAiLBOAD CobfobationS — Samb Company a Corporation of Differeht 
States— CiTizENSHiP— JuRisDicTioN OF Pedbral Courts— Service of Pro- 
CESS. 
In an action between a citizen of the state of Nebrasica and a railroad Com- 
pany, which, originally incorporated under the laws of the state of Iowa, had 
extended its road into the state of Nebraska, had flled a copy of its original 
articles of incorporation with the state secretary, and, in other respects, had 
compiied with the state laws governing such companies, held, on a plea to the 
jurisdiction of the court, that, under the laws of the state of Nebraska, the 
Company had become a domestic corporation. Hdd, also, that service upon 
the managing agent of the company for the state of Nebraska is not suflicient 
service on the Iowa corporation, though the line through both states is under 
one management, one set of offlcers, one board of directors, one set of stock- 
holders ; though the general offices are in Iowa, and though the agent make» 
his reports to the general offices. 
E. Wakeley and /. R. Webster, for plaintiff. 
Joy e Wright, iov defendant. 
McCkaey, C. J. This case is before the court on a plea to the 
jurisdiction, which presents for consideration a question of impor- 
tance in its application to this case, and, probably, to other cases in 
this district. The facts are agreed upon, and are as follows : 
Plaintiff, a citizen of Nebraska, sues the defendant, alleging that it is a 
citizen of Iowa, to recover damages for personal injuries sustained, as he 
alleges, at the towii of Blair, Nebraska, on the twenty-aeventh day of March, 
1869, through the negligence of defendant in the management of a railroad 
then possessed and opeiated by it in Nebraska. The said defendant, the 
Sioux City and Pacific Railroad Company, was duly organized and incor- 
porated under the laws of Iowa in 1864. Prior to the year 1870 it built a 
railroad iii thO/State of Iowa, and also extended the saine into and built a 
i-ailroad in the state of Nebraska. On the twenty-flrst day of September, 
1869, the defendant filed a true copy of its original articles of incorpora- 
tion in the office of the secretary of state of the state of Nebraska. Defend- 
ant still owns and operates said line of railroad in the states of Iowa and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/809</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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      <text bytes="3454" sha1="l5zd44501s43vuqzzf3a4n7ius1noqx" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;BTOUT V, SibUX CITY A PACIFIC B. 00. 795 
Nebraska, and bas had from the beginning its principal place of business at 
Cedar Eapids, Iowa. By an act of the general assembly of Nebraska, ap- 
proved Febraary 12, 1869, it is provided — 
&quot; That any railroad corapany heretofore organized under the laws of the states of 
Kansas, Missouri, or lovva is hereby authorized to extend and build its road into 
the state of Nebraska; and such railroad companies shall have and possess all 
the powers, franchises, and privileges, and be subject to the same liabilities, of 
railroad companies organized and incorporated under the laws of this state: pro- 
vided, «uch non-resident company shall first file a true copy of its articles of 
incorporation with the secretary of state, and shall comply with the laws of 
Nebraska as to filing and recording articles of incorporation, and in all things 
required by law relating to railroads and otherwise in this state ; and such non- 
resident Company shall keep an otuce in this state, in some county in this state in 
which its road is or is proposed to be; and shall be liable to civil process, to be 
sued and to sue, as provided by law.&quot; Gen. St. Neb. 1873, p. 203. 
By another act of said general assembly, approved February 14, 1873, it la 
provided — 
&quot;That any railroad company which bas been organized under the laws of 
the states of Iowa, Kansas, or Missouri, and which bas heretofore extended 
its Une of road in this state, or built any portion of its Une of road in this 
state, and bas flled a true copy of its original articles of incorporation in the 
ofiSce of the secretary of state of this state, is, from the time of filing said 
copy of its original articles of incorporation as aforesaid, hereby declared tobe 
a legal corporation of this state, and entitled to all the rights, privileges, and 
franchises of railroad companies organized under and pursuant to the laws of 
the state of Nebraska.&quot; Id. 206. . 
The summons is returned served upon the defendant &quot; by delivering to, and 
leaving with, Frank Harriman, its managing ag'ent in this state and district, 
a certified copy of this summons, with all the indorsements thereon. Said 
service was made in &quot;Washington county, state and district of Nebraska.&quot; 
The declaration in this case was filed AprU 27, 1874, and the summons was 
served on the eleventh day of May in the sarae year. 
Upon these facts the following questions arise upon the considera- 
tion of the plea to the jurisdiotion : 
First. Was the defendant a foreign corporation at the time the suit waa 
commenced? Second. And, if so, was the defendant an inhabitant of, or 
found within, the district of Nebraska at the time of the service of process 
in this case ? 
The suit was commenced and process served in April and May, 
1874, at which times both the acts above named were in force — the 
latest one having been approved February 14, 1873. It is true that 
only the first of these acts was in force when the accident occurred 
which is the foundation of this suit, and inasmuch as I am of the 
opinion that the first act did not constitute the defendant a Nebraska 
corporation, it becomes necessary to consider whether it is the statute 
in force at the time of the accident, or that which is in force at the 
time of the service of process, that is to govern as to the forum. 
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    <ns>104</ns>
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depending upon the citizensbip of the parties must be determined by 
their citizensbip at the time of the commencemeut of the suit. Con- 
olly V. Taylor, 2 Pet. 556. 
This brings us to the question, whether, by th* last aet above 
quoted, (that of February 14, 1873,) or by the two acte oonstrued 
together, the defendant was created a corporation of the state of 
.Nebraska. The fact is conceded that the defendant corporation was 
organized under the laws of Iowa, and built a railroad in that state, 
which was extended into and through a portion of the territory of 
the state of Nebraska, and that it bas filed a true copyof the original 
articles of incorporation in the office of the seeretary of state of the 
state of Nebraska. The act of February 14, 1873, declares in plain 
terms that these facts shall constitute the defendant &quot;a legal cor- 
poration of this 'state, and entitled to all the rights, privileges, and 
franchises of railroad companies organized under and pursuant to 
the laws of the state of Nebraska.&quot; It is entirely competent for the 
state, by its legislation, to determine the mode of creating corpora- 
tions within its limits, and, if it sees fit to declare that a foreign 
corporation may become a corporation of the state by building a 
railroad therein and filing a copy of its articles of incorporation 
with the seeretary of state, I have no doubt that compliance with 
these terms constitutes the foreign corporation a domestic corpora- 
tion with respect to all its transactions within such state. It follows 
that the Sioux City &amp; Pacific Eailroad Company was a Nebraska 
corporation from and after the passage of the act of February 14, 
1873, and therefore was sucb at the time of the commencement of 
this suit. Of course, if botb plaintiff and defendant were citizens of 
Nebraska at the time of the commencement of this suit, then this court 
bas no jurisdiction of the case, and the plea to the jurisdiction must 
be sustained. But counsel for plaintiff insists that there is a foreign 
corporation — a citizen of Iowa — whose eorporate name is the Sioux 
City &amp; Pacific Eailroad Company; that it is this foreign corporation, 
and not the domestic corporation of the same name, that is sued ; 
and that plaintiff should be permitted to make out, if he can, a case 
against the Iowa corporation by proof. His right to do this is clear 
enougb, provided that corporation is in court and subject to our juris- 
diction. Whether it is in court or not depends upon the question 
whether, at the time of the commencement of this action, that corpo- 
ration had an agent in Nebraska, engaged in the management of its 
business, upon whom service bas been made. If the agent upon 
whom the service was made was the agent of the Nebraska corpora-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/811</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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tion, it is not sufficient; for althoiigh the two corporations may be 
composed of the same persons, yet they are in law, for the purpose 
of suing and being sued, separate and distinct. It is not impossible 
that the Iowa corporation might have kept an office and agents in 
Nebraska at the time this suit was commenced, but, upon the proofs 
adduced upon this hearing, I conclude that the person served was an 
agent of the Nebraska corporation, and not of the Iowa corporation. 
At all events, it has not been shown that he was the agent of the 
lowa Company in such a sense that service upon him in Nebraska 
would be a sufficient service upon that company. The act of 1875, 
defining the jurisdiction of the circuit courts, (18 St. 470,) provides 
that — 
&quot;No civil suit shall be brought l5efore either of said courts against any per- 
son by any original process or proceeding in any other district than that 
whereof lie is an inhabitant, or in which he shall be found at the time of 
serving such process or commencing such proceedings,&quot; etc. 
It has been held that a corporation created by one state may con- 
sent to be sued in another, in consideration of its being permitted by 
law to exercise therein its corporate powers and privileges. Eailroad 
Go. V. Harris, 12 Wall. 65; Ex Parte Schollenberger, 96 U. S. 369; 
Knott V. Ins. Go. 2 Woods, 479. But the legislature of Nebraska, 
instead of providing that foreign railroad corporations may extend 
their roads into that state, upon condition that they will consent to 
be sued there, has seen fit to provide that such corporations shall, by 
extending their lines of railroad into the state, and by filing copies of 
their articles of incorporation with the secretary of state, become 
domestic corporations, with all the powers and franchises of other 
state corporations. Such corporations, therefore, being citizens of 
the state of Nebraska — corporations of the state — can be sued by 
citizens of Nebraska only in the state courts. It may be that plain- 
tiff has a cause of action against the Iowa corporation, but it is not 
one that can be prosecuted in this court upon process served upon an 
agent engaged in the operation of the extended line of railroad within 
the state of Nebraska, and not shown to be an agent of the Iowa 
corporation. It is not pretended that there are two lines of railroad 
in Nebraska, one of which is operated by the Iowa corporation and 
the other by the Nebraska corporation; but, on the contrary, it is 
conceded that the railroad in Nebraska is simply an extension of the 
lowa road, and upon the admitted facts, without more, we must con- 
clude that the person upon whom service was made was employed in 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/817</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Company may, unclej: its charter, engage in the express business, and under-: 
take to carry and deliver express packages beyond its Une. It is enough for 
the present to say that if it possesses the right to engage in this business at 
all, it mustdo so upon terms of perfeet equality with all other express com- 
panies, and the court will see that it'does not take to itself any privileges in 
thisregard that it does notextendto. the complainant. ;,■'.,■ 
. The motion to disolve the injuncition is overruled. ' , '7 
'2. What has been said virtually disposes of the questions raised by 
the supplemental bill. The raillroad company is bouud to carry for 
the express company for a reasonable compensation, and mtist not 
discriminate against it. A court of chancery has power to decree a 
compliance with this wholesome regulation. This court cannbt for a 
moment sanction the proposition that the railrbad comlpany iiiky, by 
extortion or unjust discrimination, exclude the express company from 
the right to conduct its business upon their raibroad. I am not pre- 
pared now to fix the maximum rates to be charged for the transpor- 
tation of express matter, but I have no doubt of the power of the court, 
after investigation, to do so. An order for this purpose should bot, as 
a rule, be made untU after a reference to a master, and a report by him 
after hearing. For the present, the injunction hereinbefore allowed 
will be modified so as to enjoin and restrain the respondent from 
charging the complainant for the transportation of express matter, 
ineluding closed packages, more than a fair and reasonable rate ; such 
charges in no case to exceed the rate charged upon similar express mat- 
ter to itself, or to any other express company, or for similar express 
matter received from, or delitered to, the Iron Mountain, etc., Eail- 
road Company Express, or the Paciiic Express Company. 
Ordered accordingly. 
Davis and others v. Stbwabt, Assignee. 
{Circuit Court, D, Iowa. September, 1881.) 
1. Featidulent Purchases — Assignees. 
Where a vendee is insolvent at the time a purchase is made, and does not 
expect to be able to pay for the gooda purchased, the vehdor is entitled to pos- 
Bession as against such a vendee's voluntary assigaee. 
An action of replevin is brought to recover the possession of gooiis 
alleged to have been fraudulently purchased by Harter &amp; Claus, 
defendant's assignors. The plaintiflfs rescind the sale, and follow the 
goods, stating in their petition &quot;that when Harter &amp; Claus purchased&lt;noinclude&gt;
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though the aet be silent as to aecessories. Why not the procurer and 
aider here ? The argument that the abettor and aider should escape 
the punishraent affixed on the statute which declares the act a mis- 
demeanor, does not commend itself to my judgment. See authoritiea 
cited in 4 Dill. 410 ; also, Eass. Crimes. 
The prisoner is remanded. Bail axed. 
American Saw Co. v. Emeesoh. 
(Circuit Court, W. D. Pennsylvania. December 21, 1880. J 
1. Lbttees Patent— Infbingement—IHeasuiie of Damages. 
The measure of damages for the unauthorized sale of a patented article is 
the dilierence betweeH the cost priee to the patentee and the market priee when 
the sales were made. 
In Equity. Exceptions to master's report. 
The suit was for infringement of patent No. 66,692, granted to defendant 
on July 16, 1867, for improvement in saws, and assigned to complainant. 
The improvement consisted merely in providing the saw with a series of holes, 
corresponding with the wear of the teeth, to facilitate dressing or filing the 
saw. Defendant contended that complainant was entitled to only so much of 
the profit as was due to the presence in a saw of the holes, over an ordinary 
saw without them. Complainant contended and the master held that there 
was or should be only one perforated saw, and that the complainant was enti- 
tled, as damages, for all saws sold by defendant, to the difference between 
complainant's cost and selling price of an equal number of saws. 
The master cited Rubber Co. v. Goodyear, 9 Wall. 788; Oawood Patent, 94 
TJ. S. 695; Pitts v. Hall, 2 Blatchf. 229; Cotffing v. Rumsey, 8 Blatchf. 36; 
ffostetter v. VowinMe, 1 Dill. 329; ahd found that the case of Buerk v, Im- 
haeiuser, 10 O. G. 907, differed from this, because in that case it appeared that 
there were other watches in the market. 
Knox dt Reed and G. A. Van Dorn, for complainant. 
Bqkewell e Kerr, for defendant. 
MoKennan, C. J. The rule for the ascertainment of the damages, 
adopted by the master, is fairly deducible from the cases discussed 
in his report, and, it may be said, from others of corresponding tenor 
which might be cited. It is appropriate to this case, if it is not the 
only practicable one. The difficulty is in the administration of it. 
It is not an unreasonable inference that the profit derived by the 
complainants from the sale of their saw is due to the patented 
improvements embodied in it. Hence it was proper to take the dif- 
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ter shown in the prior patents juna publications, but it does not aver 
that the matter thus referred to is one and the same matter. So, 
really, the plea aims to set up the defence specified in subdivision 3, 
of section 4920, of the Kevised Statutes, namely : that the invention 
was patented or described in a printed publication prior to its sup- 
posed invention by the patentees. The clear purport of section 4920 
is that such a defence must, in a suit in equity, be set up in an 
answer, and not by a technical plea. The plea is overruled, with 
costs to be taxed, but the defendant may answer the bUl in 30 days 
on payment of such costs. 
Cbandall and others v. Eichardson and others. 
{Circuit Court, S. D. New Y&lt;yrk. February 23, 1881.) 
1. Reissub No. 4,223— Children's Carkiagbs— Novelty— Validiti-. 
Reisaued letters patent No. 4,223,. granted January 3, 1871, td &quot;William E. 
Crandall, for childreu's carriages, held void for want ofnovdiy as to first, and 
anticipated as to second, third, and fifth claims. 
2. SAMK— SaMB— AUTICIPATIOK. 
Uomplairiant's riding device, consisting of two profile frames representing 
horses, mounted on rockers, connected together with a seat, so as to allow the feet 
of the rider to extend downwardly between the frames, with a hlnged toy-box in 
front of the seat, serving to hold the child in place and as a receptacle for its 
playthings, held, anticipated by the Brown devices — one consisting of side frames 
representing a horse, terminating in rockers below and connected together with 
a seat and foot-board, allowiug the feet of the rider to extend downwardly 
between the frames, joined in front and rear by two vertical boards, one having 
extejding from the front a protile liorse-head, and from the rear a profile of 
a fiying horse-tail ; the other consisting of two solid frames representing an 
eagle or swan, continuons to and terminating in rockers below, with a seat 
Connecting the frames together and a toy-box in front to keep the child from 
fallitg ont. 
3 Same— Same— MoDiFiBD Form. 
Whether the frames are the profiles or outlinea of horses or are solid, or 
whether they are in the form of horses, eagles, swans, or of any other bird or 
animal, is a matter purely of taste or design, and, so far as any mechanical 
efEect or resuit is concerned, is of no importance. 
4. Defence or Priob Use- Doubtful Evidence— Success of Lateb Devich 
NOT CONCLDSIVB. 
In a defence of prior use it is often a controlling circumstance, where there 
is doubt in the proof , that, considering the success of the later device, if it had 
been made previously it would have attracted the attention of the trade and 
immediately have gone into use ; but it often happens that from varions fortu- 
itous circumstances a complete invention, in a branch of business where much 
depends on energy and facilities and capital, fails to attract that attention 
which, under different and better auspices, it recoives when independently pro- 
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made none since; that those he had left, from four to six, he gave to 
his landlord for rent, and that they were slow-selling things. Being 
asked the namea of any persons in his employ when he made the 
articles in Madison street, he gives the names of Charles Guessnar 
and Eichard Harding. Harding was called by the plaintiffs. He was 
a cartman, and knew Anden in Madison street as a painter, but did no 
work for him save carting a load of f urniture. Anden states.as a means 
of fixing the date when he first made these structures, that he was at 
the same time painting what was called the Boston rocker, belonging to 
Palmer Brothers, and that he has a memorandum showing the receipt 
and delivery of Boston rockers, dated between December 7 and 10, 
1861. He gives no description of what he calls the Boston rocker, 
nor does he state anything to show what it was, exeept when asked if 
it had a &quot;toy-box.&quot; ' Hesays it had &quot;tb secure the haaid in the single- . 
headed jfocker.&quot; ihis is; all very confused, The defendants claim 
that there isother evidence to show what this Boston rocker was, and 
that it was made about 1861, and to no great estent afterwards. 
Kich testifies that he sold at Boston, from 1859 to 1861, a rocking- 
horse andoradle combined, made under patent No. 23,003, granted 
tb Arad Woodworth, 3d, and others, Febrnary 15, 1839; but he 
says that it wasnot, to his knowledge, called the &quot;Boston rocker.&quot; 
Goodrich testifies to the' same roeker as. Eich, as sold in Boston in 
1860, and says that it was known in the ttadegenerally by the name 
of the &quot;Bbston rocker;&quot; that the last he sold was in 1869, and that 
they were not made. af ter that to his own knowledge. Tibbals testi- 
fifid that an, article called the &quot;Boston rocker&quot; appeared in New York 
about 1862; that the nearest thing to it is Exhibit 4, which is a 
rocker with a seat in a box, and a horse's head in the middle in 
frdnt; that he has not seen one since 1869, and that it had a short 
ruu of about two years. The Woodworth rocker is one with a seat 
in a box, and a horse's head in the middle in front. On the whole, 
it must be accepted that the Boston rocker referred to by Anden was 
the Woodworth rocker. 
John H. Brown, of the fiim of Elder &amp; Brown, for whom Anden 
worked as above stated, testifies that Anden was their foreman 
painter for several years, including 1868; that he sold to Anden 
toys, and hobby-horses, and rocking devices in November, 1868, to 
be sold in his trade, he being engaged in business in Chatham street, 
and Bethune, and Washington; that Anden, during the time he 
worked for him, told him about his manufacturing hobby-horses, 
&quot;Ghoo-flys and Dexters;&quot; that Anden called such hobby-horses and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Andeii is attempted to be contradicted on a collaterar tnatter, with 
a viewof showing that he is not a truthful -witness. In giving hia 
testimony in September, 1877, be says that wh en he went to work 
for Christian the second time &quot;varions articles, profile aides, repre- 
senting horses, birds, etc., came continually to the shop to be repaired 
and painted from stores Mr. Christian dealt with.&quot; He does not 
Btate where the shop was to which he refers. McGill, who was with 
Christian as a woodi-worker and «aperintendent from 1857 to 1872, 
and who knew Anden there as a painter, says that while Anden was 
employed there, there were not, to his knowledge, &quot;Shoo-flys, Dexters, 
or anything like Exhibit 11,&quot; brought there for repairs. Anden's iden- 
tification of the articles he refers to as &quot;profile sides, representing 
horses, birds,&quot; etc., is very vagne and indefinite. It does not appear 
that he refers to the same things McGill does, so no contradiction is 
made ont. 
In regard to other contradiction^ of Anden by McGill, it appears 
that Christian had a factory up town and a wareroom down town ; 
that McGill worked at the factory, and that Anden worked at the 
wareroom. The plaintifl contends; and very foreibly, that from the 
history of the success of the plaintiff 's structure any device made by 
Anden like No. 3 would at once have attracted the attention of the 
trade and have gone into use.i This is dften a controlling circum- 
-atance in a case of doubt. But it often happens that, from varions 
rfortnitons eircuœstances, a complete invention iniabranch of busi- 
ness, where much depends on energy and facilities and capital, 
f ails to , attract that atteiition whiob, nnder different and better 
anspices, it receives when independently produced at a later day. 
On the. jwhole, it must be h eld that Anden's structure is established 
as anticipating claims 1 and 2. , h 
: No. 3 has no toy-box. Anden aays, in speaking of his structures 
,Jike,No.:3: 
&quot;I found it necessary to fix something in front, so that a small eliild 
, wouldn't fall forward in front, eut of it. So I flxed them in various ways — 
.some with a little board or tray. or an angnjar box j that is, made at an angle 
to fasten in, with the rod thvough to ^wing.&quot; 
This is very vague, and does nqt-fihow the hinged toy-box ot the 
.plaintifs tobe turnediOver to let the child out. Else where, he says 
th^t the ,tpy-box was fixed between the horses' neokf so as to secure 
the child in its seat. .,He says that a fcw; on larger-sized horses were 
nailed in ;■ that others slipped in,iwhen,the child took its seat, through 
cleats; and that others he had swing, on. a rod that went through the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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parts of the frame being so painted as to represent the outstretched 
wings of the eagle, the legs and claws of the eagle coming eut below, 
and there beihg on ita breast a ehield with stars and stripes. 
Mechanically, this structure contains all that there is in claims 1 and 
2 of the plaintiff's reissue, although it contains no idea of a horse. 
But, whether the side frame be in the form of a horse or of an eagle, 
or of another bird or animal, is a mere matter of design, and has 
nothing to do with any mechanical element or combination found in 
either of those claims. It is shown that Brown made half a dbzen 
structures like No. 5, add sold one before Crandall's invention ; that 
he also made half a dozen others, like No. 5, before Crandall's inven- 
tion, exuept that they had representations of swans instead of eagles; 
and that the eagles were some ofithem shipped and some put iu the^ 
show-room ; and the swans were putin the show-room. The evidence 
is also satisfactory that the structure, like No. 6, had a hinged toy- 
box in front of the seat, serving to hold the child in place and form- 
ing a receptacle for playthings. It coifld be turned over to let the 
child ont, and did not differ from that in the plaintiff's reissue. 
Tibbals does not remember the toy-box, but it is sufficiently proved 
by Brown, Cowry, and Allen. Claims 3 and 5 are, therefore, antici* 
pated by the structures like No. 6. 
I deem it unnecessary to consider any of the other structures, or 
any of the prior patents set up in defence, as, on those above con- 
sidered, the bill must be dismissed, with costs. 
New Ameeicas File Co. v. Nicholson File Co. 
{Uirauit Court, D. Ehode Mand. 1881.) 
I. Patent No. 29,236— Filk-Ctjttistg Machine— Limitatton of Fobeign topoit 
United States Patents— Extension — Phivatb Act Extbnding Original 
GbANT — JDEMUEEBR to BlIiL. 
Etieme Bernot, the inventer of a machine for cutting filea, patented his in- 
vention in France, August 31, 1854, and in England, March 27, 1855. On July 
24, 1860, United States letters patent No, 29,236 were issuod to him for 14 years 
from that date. Under the statu tes of 1836 and 1839, governing this is.sue, such 
a patent would have expired in 14 years from the date of the French patent, i. 
t., August 31, 1868 ; but in July, 1862, a private act of congress was passed, 
enacting that the grant should tie valid for 14 years from its date. On .July 23, 
1874, before its expiration, the commissioner of patents extended the patent for 
seven years from July 24, 1874. A demurrer to the bill, denying the right of 
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Bawyeb, C. J., (orally.) In this action isinvokecl the construction 
of the patent issued to John J. Schillinger for an improvement in 
concrete pavements. This patent has been before me on several 
occasions, and I have had considerable difficulty in giving it a satis- 
factory construction. Previous to coming before me it was, at various 
times, before Judge Blatchford and^ Judge Shipman, each of whom 
had occasion to construe the patent, and both gave^it a construc- 
tion -wider in its scope than I, on first examination, thought it would 
bear. On further consideration of the patent j and of their views 
npon the, point, I am not prepared to say, with entire confidence, 
that their construction is not correct. Judge Blatchford is undoubt- 
edly one of the ablest jurists on the national bench, and the same 
may be said of Judge Shipman. The decisions of Judges Blatchford 
and Shipman are looked upon by the supreme court with great respect ; 
and it is probable that those two judges have tried more patent cases 
than any other tw&lt;? judges in the United States now living. I have, 
therefore, felt very great diffidence in dissenting from them in the 
construction of a patent. 
On former trials of cases involving the rights of the complainant 
under this patent, I gave it a more limited construction than that 
given to it by the distinguished judges mentioned. They do not hold 
it necessary that, during the process of formation of the pavement 
constructed under the Schillinger patent, there should be interposed 
between the blocks anything which should permanently remain . In 
the' previous cases before me I inistructed the jury that, for the pur- 
pose of determining the question gf infringement in those cases, there 
should be something, either tar paper op its equivalent, permanently 
interposed between the joints. Under the construction given to the 
patent by Judge Blatchford, and also by Judge Shipman, there can 
be no doubt but that this patent has been infringed by the respond- 
ents in both the case of the Califomia Artificial Stone Paving Co. v. 
Penne, and the case of the Califomia Artificial Stone Paving Co, v. 
Molitor; and I think, after full consideration, that, even under the 
more limited construction which I have heretofore adopted, the re- 
spondents in both these cases have infringed. 
There is some conflict in the testimony as to.how these pavements 
were constructed by the respondents in both these cases-^as to whether 
or not there was any cutting at all at the joints during the process 
of formation ; and, particularly in the Molitor case, it is claimed that 
no cutting whatever was done by the respondent. I have gone over 
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EOBINSON V. SdTTEE.* 
(dreuit Court, If, D. lUinoia. 1881.) 
1. Patent No. 216,293— Appakatus fob RBSwBATisa Tobacco— Noveltt—Va- 
udi^i-^Ini-kisgement. 
Letters patent No. 216,293, granted June 10, 1879, to Abraham Robinson, foi 
apparatus for resweating tobacco, hdd, not void for want of novdty by reason 
of letters patent No. 152,004, granted June 16, 1874, to Edmund J. Oppelt, for 
apparatus for coloring tobacco leaves, and letters patent No. 206,156, granted 
.Tuly 16, 1878, to Emst Wenderoth', for process and apparatus for coloring 
tobacco leaves, hdd, also, to be valid, and infringed. 
a. SAMB— SaMB— &quot;TlGHT'' COIfSTKDEH. 
The lerm &quot; tight,&quot; used in complainant'g cjaim to qualify the construction of 
the-inner chamber or tobacco holder, construed to mean sufflciently tigh't to 
subserve the purposes of the Invention. Blight crevices or openings, arising 
from defective mechanical coaatruction, if not large encmgh to admit steam in 
Buch quantity or volume as to wet the tobacco and dei'eat the operation of the 
apparatus, will not violate such rule of construction, nor relieve such apparatus 
from the charge of infringement. 
8. Same— &amp;AMB— Opfelt and Wbndekoth Devices— Noveltt — Infeingesient. 
Complainant's invention, consisting of an apparatus for resweating tobacco 
by packing the leaves closely in a wooden box or tub, made substantially tight, 
except so far as the pores of the Wood permit vapor or moisture to slowly per- 
colate through the wood and diffuse itself with the mass of leaves, from a body 
of warm water and expanded steam contained in an outer tank or chamber sur- 
rounding such box, the beat being supplied by an external generator, lidd, not 
invalidated, for want of nobdty, by the pribr Oppelt and Wenderoth devices, 
consisting of metallic tanks and metallic tobacco holders within them, into 
which steam is directly admitted, by which the tobacco becomes wet, and, to a 
limited extent, cooked ; and ««/««^«d by defendant's device, having a similar 
outer tank, supplied with water heated by a similar external generator, but no 
specifie, permanent inner chamber or tobacco holder, suflBclently tight to exclude 
moisture except through its pores; bat using inetead thereof the original case 
in which the ieal tobacco cornes packed. . 
Munday, Evarts e Adcock, for complainant. 
Banning e Banning and Adolph Moses, for defendant. 
Blodgett, D. J. This is a suit for infringement of letters patent 
granted by the United States to complainant, Abraham Eobinson, on 
the tenth of June, 1879, for an improTed apparatus for resweating 
tobacco. The defenee set up is — First, that defendant does not 
infringe complainant's patent; second, that complainant's patent is 
void for want of noyelty. It seems from the proof that, in the ma- 
. nipulation of tobacco, it is deemed very desirable to obtain a dark 
nniform color in the leaf, especially of that to be used for cigar wrap- 
pers ; that in the natural sweating which the leaf undergoes in the 
ordinarj process of curing, it is left spotted, or some leaves will ba 
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act with conliolling efflcacy. This principle is that where the lex loci con- 
tractus and the lex fori, as to conflicting rights acquired in eaeh, corne in 
direct collision, the cotnity of nations must yield to the positive law of the 
land.' Mr. Burge has expressed his own exposition of the doctrine in the fol- 
io wing terms: 'The law of a foreign country is admitted in order that the 
contract may receive the effect which the parties to it intended. No state, 
however, is bound to admit a foreign law, even for this purpose, when that 
law would contravene its own positive laws, institutions, or policy, which 
prohibit such a contract, or when it would pryudioe the rights of its own 
subjects.' &quot; 
We are not left, however, to rely upon the authority of the distin- 
guished text writer above quoted in the solution of the question at 
issue, as it has been directly adjudicated in our own courts. In the 
case of The Bark Selah, in the district court of the United States for 
the district of California, Judge Hoffman rendered the following 
decision : 
&quot; The master of the above bark, which is a British vessel, iutervenes for 
the payment of his wages out of the proceeds, concurrently with the seamen, 
and in preference to the claims of certain material-men for supplies furnished 
in this port on the usual credit of the ship-owners and masters. He claims 
this right under the Statute of 17 &amp; 18 Vict. c. 104, § 191, which provides that 
every master of a ahip shall, so far as the case permits, have the same rights, 
liens, and remedies for the recovery of which, by this act, or by any law or 
oustom, any seaman not being master has for the recovery of his wages. 
&quot;No decision is produced under this act.to the effect that the master may 
assert his claim for wages in priority to those of material-men with whom he 
has contracted and to whom he is persoually liable. 
&quot;But, even if such be the law of England, it cannot supersede our own 
laws, which determine the rights of persons within our jurisdiction. and the 
effects of contraets made under them. As the contract with the material- 
man was made in this port, its efEect, and the remedies under it, must depend 
upon our law, which is at once the lex fori and the lex loci contraottis, 
&quot; By the general maritime law prevailing in the United States and admin- 
istered by the national courts of admiralty, the claim of the material-man for 
materials furnished to a foreign vessel carries with it a lien on the vessel and 
has a priority over the master's claim for wages. 
&quot; It was held by Mr. Justice Story that even the states of this Union have no 
power to alter, eularge, or narre w, with respect to foreign vessels, the admiralty 
jurisdiction of the United States, as governed by the legislation of congress, 
and by the general principles of maritime law. They have no authority to 
change that law, in respect to such vessels, by denylng liens existing under it, 
by creating new liens not recognized, or alter the priorities among different 
lienholders. The Chiisan, 2 Story, 463. 
&quot; If such powers are withheld f rom the states they surely cannot be con- 
ceded to the legislature of a foreign country. By the maritime law which it 
is the duty of this court to administer, the libellant is entitled to a lien on the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ruary, 1878; discharged at Charleston 9th November, 1880. This 
claim is as follows : 
12 months' wages, at 25.50 marks, from 17th Feb- 
ruary, 1878, to 17th February, 1879, - - marks 360 00 
16 months' wages, at 23 marks, from 17th Febru- 
ary, 1879, to 17th January, 1880, - - 368 00 
4 months' and 25 days' wages, at 33 marks, from 
17th June, 1880, to November 9, 1880, - 159 50 
2 J months' wages, to pay home passase. - 82 50 
marks 970 00 
Less amount paid him by captain, - - 412 86 
marks 557 14 == $133 61 
The aforesaid libellants are represented by Capt. Prundt, under a 
power of attorney. The power of attorney authorizes Capt. Prundt 
to-^emand and sue for the wages and compensation due the said 
libellants for services rendered by them as seamen on board of the 
barkentine Trautvetter, and purports to have been signed on the 
twenty-sixth of November, 1880, by the said seamen-, in presence of 
P. Belt, chief officer of the ship Neptune, aboard which ship they had 
sailed. As P. Belt, the witness to the signatures of the said seamen, 
sailed with them on the day of the execution of the said power of 
attorney, it was attempted to prove the same by the testimony of 
Capt. Prundt. Capt. Prundt testified that he saw the said seamen 
sign the power of attorney on the morning of the twenty-sixth of 
November, 1880, in the presence of P. Belt, chief of&amp;cer of the ship 
Neptune, in the cabin of the said vessel. 
It was contended that the signatures to the power of attorney were 
not genuine, but were written by the same party, and that the power 
of attorney was illegal. 
Witnesses who had much experience in deciphering handwriting 
were called upon to testify as to the genuineness of the signatures. 
Messrs. E. H. Sparkman and William Thayer testified that in their 
opinion the signatures to the power of attorney were by the same 
party, and did not correspond with the signatures to the shipping 
articles. 
Messrs. E. A. Pringle, M. W. Wilson, and J. E. Philips, on the 
other hand, testified that in their opinion the signatures to the power 
of attorney were by different parties, and corresponded to the ship- 
ping articles. 
W. M. Oglivie, a olerk of Capt. Gard, testified that he was ac-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of her the barge St. Nicholas. The Syracuse, with her tow, was 
going up the river. The George A. Hoyt, with her tow, was eoming 
down. The day was fine and clear. The wind was light and westerly. 
The collision was about 11 o'clock in the forenoon. The libel is 
brougiit against the George A. Hoyt, the Syracuse, and the Jane L. 
Newton, but is only prosecuted against the George A. Hoyt. It 
charges her with too great speed, with not keeping well over on the 
west side of the river, and with taking a sudden and unnecessary 
sheex acroas the stern of the Syracuse tow after passing it, so as to 
bring the hawser under the bottoms of the beats in tow of the Syra- 
cuse, thereby bringing the schooner Jane L. Newton, which was on 
the port side of the first tier in the tow of the George A. Hoyt, into 
collision, first with the Tompkins, then with the Washington, doing 
her great injury, and then with the St. Nicholas. 
The libel alleges that the tide was ebb. The answer avers that it 
was strong flood. There is no doubt upon the evidence, however, that 
the flood-tide had been running for an hour or two. The libellants 
insist'tiiat the George A. Hoyt was not over on the west side of the 
riyer ; but on this point, also, the testimony is clearly with the steam- 
boat. -She had been eoming down, keeping as. close as was prudent 
to the west bank, proceeding very slowly against a head-tide, and 
when the Syracuse and her tow came round the lamp at West Point 
the Hoyt and her tow were at that part of the river called Moore's 
f olly, beading'dowh towards the govemment dock, and as close to 
the west side of the channel as it is usual for tugs with tows to be. 
The libel alleges that the Syracuse, with her tow, hugged the west- 
ern side of the river after turning the point. Upon the trial this 
was clainied by libellants' proctors to be a clerical error, and it was 
claimed that the intention was to allege that she was hugging the 
eastern i.ia.e of the river. The libellants' application to amend was 
reserved till the cause should be heard, with ieave then to ask for the 
amendment if the proofs should warrant it. 
The testimony shows that the Syracuse, with her tow, was follow- 
dug aiiother steara-boat, theCeres, also with a tow, and was rapidly 
■overtaking her. The Geres first turned the point at the lamp, and 
when the Syracuse turned the point as she did, well over towards the 
western side of the river, and opened this reach of the river, which 
there ttims nearly west, she had in sight the George A. Hoyt with 
her tow, stretching along the west bank by Moore's Folly, the Ceres 
and her tow, heading up for Magazine point, on the opposite bank of 
the river, a schooner eoming down before the wind, and another&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/862</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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A. Hoyt and her tow had then stopped, and made no such aherr 
across the stern of the other tow. Such a movement would have been 
wholly uncalled for by the situation in which the George A. Hoyt 
was, and, being without apparent motive, the evidence from the cii- 
cumstances of the case greatly strengthens the direct testimony on 
this point. And the testimony of these witnesses from the S3'racu8e 
and her tow can, without difiSculty, be reconcHed with the rest of the 
proofs upon the supposition that the effect which they saw and testi- 
fied to was eaused by the movement of their own tow instead of that 
of the tow of the George A. Hoyt. Just before the vessels came 
tbgether, the pilot of the Syracuse seems to have stopped his engine 
againsjbut too late to arrest the forward movement of his tow, and 
it had no tendency to check its swing towards that of the George A. 
Hoyt, if, indeed, this second stoppage did not aggravate the effect of 
the westward swing of his tow. 
The evidence does not warrant the allowance of the amendment of 
the libel. prayed for. The libel, if amended as proposed, would be 
contrary to the evidence ia this particular allegation, for upon the 
proofs the Syracuse did not keep on, or any where near, the eastern 
bank of the river. The amendment cannot, therefore, be allowed. 
Nor is it satisfactorily explained how the error in the libel occurred. 
In conclusion, it is only necessary to say that none of the faults 
charged against the George A. Hoyt are proven, and that on the evi- 
dence the collision was eaused solely by the reckless and careless 
navigation of the Syracuse, in keeping on, at full speed, in this nar- 
row part of the river, and attempting there to pass the Geres, whUe 
the river was so obstructed by the George A. Hoyt and her tow, and 
the two schooners and the Geres and her tow, that this manoeuver 
could not there be safely or prudently accomplished or attempted 
without serious risk of collision with one or another of those vessels. 
It is suggested in argument that tiie George A. Hoyt was not stopped 
soon enough. This is not charged in the libel as a fault against her. 
It is, perhaps, inconsistent with the libel. But it is not sustained by 
the evidence. The proof is that she stopped promptly on the first 
appearance of danger. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/876</title>
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in controversy, any other citizen could make a valid location ; for this 
notice, specifying no bounds or limita, eannot be said to have any 
«xtent beyond wbat would be nfecessary for sinking a shaft. 
3. If you find these matters for the plaintiff, a third question for 
your consideration ia whether defendant Boaro, in making iJie location 
under which defendants claim, went into the slight excavation made 
by Carroll and there sunk his own discovery shaft, or run bis own 
eut, making that the basia of defendant's location. If he did so, the 
plaintiff having then a right to that locality, as before explained, the 
entry of Boaro was an intrusion into his territory, for which he may 
maintain this action. But it should appear to you, from the evidence, 
that Boaro entered at the very place which had been previously taken 
by Carroll, because, as Carroll's notice failed to specify the territory 
he wished to take, it could not refer to or embrace any other place 
than that in which it was planted. Possibly the rule here laid down 
may be applicable to the case in which a subsequent locator may 
sink his discovery shaft so near to that of the first locator as to pre- 
vent further work by the latter in the development of the claim. But 
it is not neceasary to advert to that matter, for the plaintiff contends 
tihat Boaro went into the very place where Carroll made his excava- 
tion and planted his discovery stake, and there made a eut, shaft, or 
other opening, on which to found his own location. That is the 
question in issue between the parties, and you should decide it on the 
evidence. 
4. These things being found for the plaintiff, a fourth question for 
your consideration is whether Carroll, after discovering the Iode, 
abandoned it. To perfeet their location it was incumbent on the 
plaintiff and Carroll, as the locators of the claim, to sink a discovery 
shaft within 60 days after the date of location, and to do the other 
things required by statute within 90 days from that date. Failing 
in that, they would have no right whatever to the territory in contro- 
versy. And although Carroll may have intended to do the neceasary 
work, and to perfeet the location within the time limited by statute, 
at the time he set up his stake, if he afterwards abandoned that 
intention the plaintiff eannot recover. It should appear to you, from 
the evidence, that the plaintiff and Carroll, at the time the Hawk 
location was made, and continuously thereafter, held and maintained 
the purpose and intention to complete the location, and that they 
were prevented from doing so by the act of Boaro and Hull in taking 
possession of the place in controversy, and excluding Carroll and the 
plaintiff therefrom. If, by the use of reasonable diligence, the plain-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/882</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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Btoekholder before the taxes upon his shares are satisfied, to personal 
liability for such taxes. What was said in Cummings v. Nat&gt; Bank, 
101 U. S. 157, may be repeated bere : 
&quot; The bank, as a corporation, ia not liable for the tax, and occupies the posi- 
tion o£ a stakeholder, on whom the cost and trouble of the litigation should 
not fall.' If it pays, it may be subjected to a separate suit by each stock- 
holder. If it refuses, it must either withhold dividends and subject itself to 
litigation by doing so, or refuse to obey the law and subject itself to suit by 
the State. It holds a trust relation, wluch authorizes a court of equity to see 
that it is protected in the exercise of the duties appertaining to it. To pre- 
vent multiplicity of suits, equity may interfere.&quot; 
Passing this preliminai;y point, I corne to the consideration of cer- 
tain questions arising upon the merits, as to some of which I have 
had very great difficulty. 
In People v. Weaver, 100 U. S. 539, it was ruled that the inhibi- 
tion upon state taxation of national bank shares &quot;at a greater rate 
than is assessed upon other moneyed capital in the hands of individ- 
ual citizens,&quot; had reference to the entire process of assessment, and 
prevented as well an unequal valuation of such shares, compared with 
other moneyed capital, as an unequal rate of percentage thereon. 
Consequently, a statute Of New York, which prescribed an uniform 
rate of taxation up'on personal property, but permitted the tax-payer 
to deduct his just debts firom the aggregate value of his personal 
property, other than shares of. bank stock, (f rom the value lof . which lat- 
ter property- no such deduction was allowed,) was held to work an 
illegal discrimination against moneyed capital invested in such shares. 
Stich a mode of valuation, the supreme court of the United States 
held, had the effect to impose greater burdens upon moneyed capital 
invested' in bank shares than upon other moneyed capital in the 
hands of individual citizens. 
In Pelton v. Nat. Bank, 101 U. S. 146, the court said: 
&quot;It is sufflcient to say that we are quite satisfled that any System of assess- 
ment of taxes which exacts from the owner of the shares of national bank 
stock a larger stmi in proportion to their actual value than it does from the 
owner of other moneyed capital, valued in like manner, does tax them at a 
greater rate, within the meaning of the act of congress.&quot; 
The fundamental inquiry, therefore, is whether the statute of 
Indiana prescribes any rule of taxation of- moneyed capital which nec- 
essarily conflicts, or which, in its application, may confliot, with the 
act of congress permitting state taxation of national bank shares. In 
the prosecution of this inquiry I have examined with great care the 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/886</title>
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to counsel authorizing a final decree to be entered perpelually enjoin- 
ing the collection of all taxes assessed upon complainant's shares of 
stock for the year 1879. Further reflection satisfies me that such a 
decree wo'uld be erroneous, and that the decree should not be broader 
than just indicated. Since the case has evidently not been prepared 
or defended upon the theory that the proof Bhould show the condition 
of each shareholder as to indebtedness at the time the assessment 
and valuation in question ■were made, the parties should have a fair 
opportunity to make such proof. The cause must, therefore, go to a 
master to ascertajn and report the facts. 
Counsel may prepare the proper order of reference, indicating the 
opinion of the court as far as herein disdosed. There are many 
details connected with the convenience of counsel which should be 
considered in framing the order, I leave counsel to agree upon such 
details. If they cannot do so, I will receive from each side a draft of 
an order, and will adopt and have entered that one which meets my 
approval. 
United States v. Eankin. 
{Circuit Court, E. D. Missouri. October 7, 1881.) 
1. Legacy Tax — Bbquest of an Alibn Nou-Bestoent to Alien Non-Rbsi- 
DBNTS FOK LiPE, wiTH Remaindeb TO Residents akd Nost-Rebidents op 
THE United Stateb— Acts of Congbess Consthubd — Efpeot of Repeal- 
ING ACT OF JULY 14, 1870. 
An alien non-resident died in Ireland, July 18, 1870. By her will she be- 
queathed property, situated partly in Ireland and partly in Missouri, to A, and 
B., who were also alien non-reoidenta, for the lifeof A., with remainder to alien 
non-residents and two resident citizens of the United States. Her will was 
probated in Ireland, and ancillary letters of administration were granted in 
Missouri, November 2, 1870. On October 13, 1877, A. and B. conveyed their 
interests to the remainder-men. At the time of the conveyance, the portion of 
the estate situate in Missouri was still in the American executor's hands. Suit 
being brouglit to recover a legacy tax upon the estate in his hands, it was hdd 
that, under the acts of congress prier to the repealing act of 1870, the taxes 
would not have accrued, if at all, until the beneflciaries entered into possession 
or enjoyment of the property, and that as said legatees did not enter into pos- 
session or enjoyment of their legacies before 1877, the property then in said 
executor's hands was exempted by the repealing act of 1870 from the legacy 
tax imposed by the varions prier acts. 
Whether or not the interests derived by either the foreign or American lega- 
tees as remainder-men were, under the facts stated, subject to a legacy tax, 
giiœre. 
This is an action of debt for legacy tax. The facts, as set forth in 
the petition, are as follows:&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/888</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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foreign wills. The United States contendsthat the clause of the 
statute above quoted should be interpreted to mean that any legacy 
under a will, wherever made, is Subject to a legacy tax, if the legacy 
enures to the benefit of an American citizen, and he receives the 
same; and that, the other woids, &quot;or by the intestate laws of any 
state or territory,&quot; are not restrictive as to wills. There is no ade- 
quate reason, it is urged, why an American citizen, receiving a legacy 
through a foreign -will, should bot paya legacy tax when he would be 
subject thereto if the legacy was through a domestic will. To this 
argument may be suggested that the same reason would prevail with 
respect to the intestate estates. The law of the domicile prevails as 
to personalty, whether the decedent is testate or intestate; yet the 
same clause of the statute limits the liability of the executer, in cases of 
intestacy, to the transmission of property by the laws of the state or 
territory. Why ahould not property, passing by laws of descent in 
a foreign country tb an American citizen, be subject to tax as well as 
if passing by will? Is there, in the language of the statute, any dis- 
tinction to be drawn between a foreign legacy and a foreign distribu- 
tion of an intestate estate, or are the terms used in the same sen- 
tence to be interpreted as bovering the same giroiliid ? 
There are other provisions bf the statute that shed light'bn tiie 
subject. The executer was required to makeh'is returns and pay the 
tax to the oollector of the district wher'e the decedent resided. The 
decedent in this case resided in Ireland, and never was in the United 
States. Consequently, the executor's returp and payment conld not 
be made in accordanee with law to any United States collector. 
Without expressly passing upon this point, ibut intimating merely 
that the statute. does not cover a case like the present, it is important 
to consider the effect of the repealing act of July 14, 1870. That act 
repealed the succession and legacy taxes, with thi-s saving proyiso— r 
&quot;ihat all the provisions of said [repealed] acts shall continue in full force for 
levying and collecting all taxes properly ^vssessed, m liable to ^be assessed, or 
aceriiing under the provisions of, the fprnier acts,-ojr drawbacks, the right to 
which bas already accrued, or which may hereaf ter accrue, under said act^,&quot; 
etc. 
Without ente'ring upon the nice distinctions between successions 
and legacies, it niust suffice that the, taxes chargeable were, und.er the 
statutes, due and, payable when the beneficiary entered into the posr 
session or enjoyment of the property, and not before. It is obvious 
that the.valueof the succession or legacy ooiild not be determined until 
the right pf possession aecrued. &quot;' ■::&lt;noinclude&gt;
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section 4785, which has been repealed, and that it is no longer a 
criminal offence to demand or receive illegal fees for prosecuting pen- 
sion daims. 
Section 4785 simply authorized the commissioner of pensions to 
allow a fee of not exceeding $25 for prosecuting a claim. Not satis- 
fied with this provision for the protection of pensioners, congress, by 
the aot of 1878, declared that it should be unlawful for any agent or 
attorney to charge for his services in a single case more than $10, 
and repealed section 4785. It can hardly be doubted that it. was 
the desire of this statute to protect pensioners rather than claim 
agents and attorneys, and to give effect to this design the statute 
must be enforced as a substitute for section 4785. Why did con- 
gress by this act declare that it should be unlawful for the agent or 
attorney to demand or receive more than $10 for his services in any 
one case, and affii no penalty for its violation? Clearly, I think, 
because it was understood that the punishment provided in section 
5485 was invforce and applicable. If it had been the intention of 
congress, while thus legislating in the interest of pensioners, to re- 
lieve agents and attorneys from criminal liability for demanding or 
ieceiving compensation in violation of law, that intention would have 
been manifested by an express repeal of section 5485, or that portioii 
of it which prescribed punishment for demanding or receiving fees 
in violation of law, as \yell as section 4785. 
It is true that section 5485 declares that the agent or attorney 
flhall not demiand or receive a greater compensation &quot;than is pro- 
vided in the title pertaining to pensions ;&quot; but the fair meaning of that 
is, I think, that no greater compensation shall be demanded Cir re- 
coived than is provided by law. 
In the general appiropriation act, approved March 3, 1881, the fol- 
lowing was inserted: &quot;And the provision of section 5485 of the 
Revised Statutes shall be applicable to any person who shall violate 
the provisions of ari act entitled 'An act relating to olaitn' agents and 
attorneys in pension cases,' approved June 20, 1878.&quot; ■ After the 
passage of the act of 1878 conflicting views were entertained as to 
tthether there was any peiialty foV demanding or receiVing compen- 
sation in violation of law for prosecuting pension daims, and the 
clause just quoted 'was inserted in the appropriation act to remove 
that uncertainty. • . 
I am aware that the learned circuit judge of the sixth circuit, foc 
whose judgment I have great respect, has held, in the case of U. S. 
T. Mason, reported in 8 Fed. Eep. 412, that the repeal of section&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/898</title>
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•. Samb— What CoNSTHifCTioN To BB Ado^ted — Third Parties. 
The coBstruction of atreaty to be taken as the true one is the one which bas 
been adopted and acted upon by all the parties to it, unless the parties to it 
were mutually led into this construction by fraud or mistake. In a case where 
the mutual construction was in the face of the language used, and the right- 
of third parties had intervened, the language would be taken as goveming. 
10. APPBOPRIATBD LaNDS — SuiiSEQtJBNT LaWS. 
A tract of land lawf ully appropriated to any purpose becomes thereaf ter sev- 
ered from the mass of public lands, and no subsequent law or proclamation 
will be construed to embrace it, or to operate upon it. Although no exception 
is made, congress cannot be supposed to include it by a law general in its 
terms. This doctrine applies with more force to Indian than to military reser- 
vations. 
11, Indians' Titles— When Devbsted. 
As soon as Indians part with their title the land ceases to be Indian country 
without any further act of congress, unless, by the treaty by which the Indians- 
part^ imthiheir title, or by tome aet of congres» or tome executive arder ofithe 
president, a different ruk was made applicable. 
This is a civil suit, in the nature of an action of debt, to recover.from 
defendant a penalty of $1,000, for having violated the law of the United States 
by being in the Indian country oontrajy to said law. The complaint charges 
that the defendant heretofore, to-wit, on the flfth day of September, A. D. 
1879, being in the Indian country contrary to law, was removed by the mili- 
tary forces of the United States, and that afterwards, to-wit, on the tenth day 
of August, A. D. 1880, he, the said defendant, did return to said Indian country, 
and was found therein, contrary to the fonn of the statute'ih snch case made 
and provided.' For this reason plaintifE claims an action hath accrued against 
the defendant. 
The defendant files his amended answer, in which he denies that he owes 
and is indebted to the plaintiflt in the sum pf $1,000, or {iny other sum, in 
manner andform as stated in the complaint. He denies that on the third day 
of May, 1880, or the tenth day of August of that year, or at any other time, he 
was in the Indian country, or any part thereof. He denies that he was at 
any time removed from the Indian country, or any part therepf. Defendant 
further claims that by a treaty entered intobetween the United States and the 
Seminole tribe of Indians, on March 21, 1866, they sold to the United States 
a large tract of land then owned by said tribe in the country known as the 
Indian Territory, situated between the Canadian river and the North Fork of 
the Canadian river, and between the ninety-seventh and ninety-eighth degrees 
of west longitude; that said lands have ever since been, and are now, the 
property of the United States by an absolute and perfect title in fee-simple, 
and that they are a part of the public domain of the United States ; that there 
is no Indian nation or tribe that has any title or right to any part of the same, 
or any occupancy or possession thereof. 
Defendant further answers that he made a settlement on section 14, in town- 
ship 11 north, of range 3 west of the Indian meridian, under the pre-emption 
and homestead laws enacted by the congress of the United States ; that said sec- 
tion is a part of the land sopurchased and acquired by the United States from 
the Seminole Indians, and that it is situated within 40 miles of the line of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/912</title>
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Houston V. Moore, 5 Wheat. 1; The Moses Taylor, 4 Wall. 411; 
Martin y. Hunter, 1 Wheat. 304; Com. v. Fuller, 8 Metc. (Mass.) 
313 ; 1 Kent, Com. 399. 
National banks are organized under the laws of the United States ; 
their bills are issued to them by the treasury department of the 
United States, secured by bonds of the United States on deposit 
thei?e, which fact is to be expfeoscd on their face by the signatures of 
the treasurer and register, and the seal of the treasury of the United 
States. Eev. St. § 5372. They are securities of the United States 
which congress bas power tq proteet by punishing counterfeiting 
them, and the passing of counterfeits of them, and are so declared to 
be: in the laws of the United States. Eey. St. § 5413. Whether the 
state court had jurisdiction over this offence or not depends on 
■whether congress bas excluded that jurisdiction or left it to those 
courts under the laws of the states. 
The judiciary act of 1789 provided, section 11,— 
&quot;That the circuit courts shall have * * * exclusive cognizance of all 
crimes and offences cognizable under the authority of the United States, ex- 
cept where this act otherwise provides, or the laws of the United States shall 
otherwise direct. * * *&quot; 1 St. at Large, 78. 
By the act of April 21, 1806, provision was made for punishing 
counterfeiting of the coin of the United States, and by that of Feb- 
ruary 24, 1807, for that of forging notes of the bank of the United 
States, and by that of March 3, 1825, for that of forging certificates 
of public stocks or other securities 6i the United States, counterfeit- 
ing coin of the United States and other i coun tries, and passing 
eounterfeit coin. Section 26 of the act of 1825 provides, as similar 
sections in each of the other acts had donej that nothing in this act 
contained shall be construed to deprive the courts of the individual 
states of jurisdiction under the laws of the several states over offences 
made punishable by this act. 4 St. at Large, 122. 
This provision expressly left to the states jurisdiction of the partic- 
ular offences mentioned in those acts, the same as if congress had 
never exercised its power to punish them. 
A person was convicted under a statute of Ohio for passing eoun- 
terfeit coin, and the conviction was upheld as not being contrary to 
the laws of the United States. Fox v. Ohio, 5 How. 410. So, under 
a statute of Vermont, (State v. Randall, 2 Aik. 89,) and a statute of 
Massachusetts, (Com. v. Fuller, 8 Metc. 313.) But upon demur- 
rer to an indictment under the laws of New Hampshire for pun- 
ishing perjury generally, for perjury committed in proceedings under&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/914</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&quot; The jurisdiction vested in the courts of the United States, in the rases and 
proceedings hereinafter mentioned, shall be exclusive of the courts of the 
several States : First. Of all crimes and offences cognizable under the author- 
ity of the United States.&quot; 
This provision was net in the statutes of the United States any- 
where before. It was framed ex industria, and placed there for 
some purpose. It is not merely the provision of the judiciary act 
relating to the juriadiction of the circuit courts brought forward and 
placed here, as well as in the chapter relating to those courts, to ex- 
press the same thing again in another connection; but it is a different 
thing. That provision made the jurisdiction of the circuit courts 
exclusive, of all other courts, federal as well as state, exeept as other- 
■wise provided, This applies to all the courts of the United States, 
and expressly excludes, , and seems to be made expressly to ex- 
clude, the jurisdiction of the courts of the states. Both provis- 
ions are necessary to place the jurisdiction in these cases where it 
is reposed, among the federal coui-ts, and exclude that of the state 
courts, and the latterwould be unnecessary if that of the state courts 
was not to be excluded. 
The language of the section quoted from the title on &quot;Crimes&quot; does 
not save the jurisdiction of tue courts of the states over the offences 
made punishable by that title, as section 26 of the act of 1825 savcd 
it o^'er offences made punishable by that act. It says nothing of 
offences, as sueh, to express or specify its application. There are 
many offences made punishable by that title, — some of them such as 
could never be offences against the laws of any of the states; some, 
such as the obstructing the executive officers in the performance of 
their duties, and the service of the processes of the courts of the 
United States, where the same act might oonstitute one offence 
against the laws of the United States, and another different offence 
against the laws of the states. This section of the title is general, 
and might be applicable to all these if taken in its broadest sense. 
It might be, or be claimed to be, that making any act punishable under 
the laws of congress would prevent the states from punishing a dif- 
ferent offence involved in the same act. An assault upon a marshal, 
to obstruet his service of process, would be punishable under this title 
for the obstruction, but not assault. The assault might be punish- 
able under the state laws, but not the obstruction, The title makes 
certain, offences against the laws of the United States punishable. 
This section seems to mean that making them so punishable shall 
not prevent the states from taking hold of any offences which&lt;noinclude&gt;
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thrown down and the lower ends of such back legs are thrown up, .and 
such side rails, the back, the front legs, and the back legs, are thus 
folded together. Corresponding parts are pivoted together, and will 
fold together in a like way, and by an identical mode of operation, in 
the defendant's chair. The piece, D, in the defendants' chair, which 
extends from the front cross round, J, at the forward end of that piece, 
to the upper part of the back leg, E, to which it is jointed by the 
working joint. M, corresponds to the side rail of the seat, D, in the 
piaintiffs' chair, which extends from the front cross-piece at the for- 
ward end of such side rail to the upper part of the back leg, C, to 
which it is jointed at g. In the defendant's, the piece, D, is, at a 
point in it intermediate between the front cross round, J, and the back 
leg, C, pivoted to the front leg, E, by the working joint, G, at a point 
intermediate between the top and the bottom of such front leg. In 
the piaintiffs', the side rail of the seat, D, is, at a point in it interme- 
diate between the front cross piece at its forward end and the back 
leg, C, jointed to the front leg, B, at /, which is a point inter- 
mediate between the top and the bottom of such front leg. In the 
defendant's, when the pieces, D, are raised towards the back of the 
chair, the upper ends of the back legs, E, are thrown down, and the 
lower ends of such back legs are thrown up, and the pieces, D, the 
back, A, the front legs, C, and the back legs, E, are thus folded together. 
The specification of the defendant's patent says that &quot;the chair is 
folded by raising up the seat and pulling up the rockers.&quot; The rais- 
ing up of the seat is effected by raising up the piece, D, towards the 
back of the chair. Eaising up the piece, D, in the defendant's, and 
the side rail of the seat in the plaintiff 's, effedts the folding to an equal 
extent. It does not avoid infringement of claim 1 that the defendant 
changes the direction of the piece, D, so as to form a greater forward 
angle with the direction of the back leg, when the chair is fully un- 
folded, than the angle formed in like case by the side rail of the 
piaintiffs' seat, with the direction of his back leg, or that the place 
of sitting in the defendant's, instead of being at the same angle as 
the angle of the pieces, D, (as the piaintiffs' place of sitting is at the 
same angle as the side rails of his seat, D,) is made to be at a proper 
level or angle, by stretching a flexible seat from the front cross round, 
J, to the round I, which latter round is elevated above the jointing 
places, G and M. Ail the opinions as to non-infringement, expressed 
by witnesses for the defendant, are based on an erroneous view of the 
plaintiff's patent, and on the idea that because the piaintiffs' patent 
speaks of the seat, D, as pivoted, and its side rails are pivoted, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/930</title>
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disabled from business, and that up to his death, and since, he bas 
had the entire care of their business, and in great part of his estate, 
and it was impossible for him to give the time and pains necessary 
for proeeedings against the defendant. It is shown that the plain- 
tiffs retained counsel in the early part of 1880, and sued the defend- 
ant on the patent, in New York city, in July, 1880, and moved for an 
injonction against him in November, 1880, but the suit was with- 
drawn because of a technical defect. The l&gt;ill in this suit was filed 
in September, 1880, and the subpœna was served December 6, 1880. 
This motion was notieed for March 16, 1881, having been delayed 
because of business engagements of the plaintiffs' counsel. The 
foregoing facts are not contested. 
The defendant shows that he began making chairs, such as his pat- 
ent describes, in September, 1878, and applied for his patent June 
21, 1879; that in September, 1879, he completed a building for the 
business, costing, with the land and the proper machinery, $12,000, 
and employs about 50 men at Cortland Village, New York, and that 
he is worth $25,000. What the defendant so did in respect to his 
new building was done after notice from the plaintiffs. Mere forbear- 
ance to sue, under the circumstances stated, after the notice given, 
cannot, in the absence of any affirmative encouragement to the de- 
fendant, be held to affect the plaintiffs' right to a preliminary injunc- 
tion, in such a plain case as this is. 
The plaintiffs show a case of aoquiescence by the public sufiScient 
to sustain a preliminary injunction. The defendant states generally 
that chairs claimed to infringe the plaintiffs' patent have been made, 
sold, and used in hostility to their right, &quot;and, among others, by the 
Eureka Manufacturing Company, of Sterling, Illinois, who have made, 
Bold, and advertised the said chair extensively without let or hindrance 
from the complainants.&quot; No chair made or sold or advertised by the 
company named is produced; no advertisement is produced; what 
kind of chair is the one referred to, or what is meant by &quot;the said 
chair,&quot; is not shown; there is no specifie affidavit from which the 
court can see that the conclusion drawn is correct ; and the statement 
is a statement of only a conclusion, and not of a fact which can be 
judicially considered. The other affidavits are even more general. 
The case is a clear one, and one of irreparable damage to the 
plaintiffs, and not one where there would be as much probability of 
doing irreparable mischief as of preventing it by granting the injunc- 
tion. The motion is granted.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 8.djvu/938</title>
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domestic vessel, of the port of Baltimore. Two different claitrianta 
appeared, asserting ownership of the vessel, and several petitioners 
liave appeared claiming to have liens for repairs to the vessel under 
the state lien law. 
The schooner is one of the olass of vessels used for dredging oys- 
ters in the Chesapeake bay, and on November 10, 1880, the seamen 
shipped on her as oystermen and sailors for the pnrpose of taking 
oysters in the Chesapeake bay — some of them by the month and some 
by the trip. On the fourteenth of November the master and crew 
and the schooner were taken into custody by the state oyster police, 
and carried into Annapolis, charged with dredging for oysters with- 
out a license, in violation of the state law. The master and crew 
were trieH before a justice of the peace, found guilty, and fined. 
At the expiration of 20 days, the fine and costs not having been 
paid, the vessel, which had been held in custody from the time of 
seizure, was adjudged forfeited, and the justice ordered that the 
sheriff of the county should sell her, after having given 20 days' 
notice. 
In pursuance of the decree of the justice the sheriff sold the ves- 
sel at public auction, after notice, on December 27th, when she was 
purchased by the claimant Saunders, to whom she was delivered, and 
in whose possession she was found by the marshal when taken under 
the process issued from this court at the instance of the libellants. 
She is also claimed by Mrs. Alice Thorington, wife of the master in 
command of her when she started on her dredging trip. Mrs. Thor- 
ington held the title to the vessel at that time, and she has filed a 
petitory libel. 
The authorit}' for the proceedings under which the schooner was 
seized by the oyster police, forfeited, aud sold, is the act of the assem- 
bly of Maryland of 1880, c. 198, known as the &quot;Oyster Law,&quot; and by 
these libels and petitions in this court it is sought to question the 
constitutional validity of that law. The Maryland oyster law of 1880, 
■by section 2, provides that no boat shall be used in dredging oysters 
in the waters of the state of Maryland without first having been 
licensed, for which a certain rate per ton is to be paid to the state. 
Section 16 provides that the number of the license shall be displayed 
on the starboard side of the mainsail, and on the port side of the jib, 
in black iigures 22 inches long. Section 9 makes it the duty of any 
sheriff, constable, or ofScer of the state fishing force to arrest any 
person or persons, and seize any vessel, found violating the provisions 
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PBDKBAL REPORTER. 
The right of the legislature to give jurisdiotion to justiceB of the 
peace to impose fines has long been &quot;the law of the land&quot; in Mary- 
land, and it has been held in her appellate court that actions to 
recover fines are civil actions, although the penalty for non-payment 
may be imprisonment. Mace's Case, 5 Md. 337. The right of all 
governments, notwithstanding similar constitutional prohibitions 
against taking property of the citizen &quot;but by the law of the land&quot; 
or &quot;without due process of law,&quot; to proceed by summary process 
of distress or fines or penalties to enforce payment of revenue, ia 
«laborately discussed and fully sustained by the supreme court in 
Murray t. Hoboken Land Co. 18 How. 272, 
In advance of such a construction by the state tribunals, I am net 
at all prepared to hold that the Maryland legislature is prohibited by 
her constitution from conferring jurisdiotion upon justices of the 
peace to try and fine offenders against her revenue laws, or against 
her laws for the protection of her fisheries. AU possible risk of 
oppressive abuse would seem to be guarded against in this law of 
1880 by the right of appeal to a court sitting with a jury. 
The next objection urged against the forfeiture and sale of the ves- 
«el, and against the title of the purchaser to whom she was sold and 
delivered by the sheriffp, is that there was no notice given to the 
owner or other persons having interest in her, and that, therefore, 
the proceeding as against them was void, as being an attempt of the 
«tate to deprive them of their property &quot;without due process of law,&quot; 
«ontrary to section 1 of the fourteenth amendment of the constitu- 
tion of the United States. 
The act of 1880 provides that the state ofBcers shall seize and take 
into custody the vessel found violating the provisions of the act, and 
if, upon trial and conviction, the offenders do not pay the fine im- 
posed upon them within 20 days, then the justice shall direct the 
Tessel to be sold after 20 days' notice. 
The supreme court of the United States, in Smith v. Maryland, 
18 How. 75, passed upon the validity of the Maryland oyster law of 
1833, by which every vessel employed in catching oysters with a 
dredge was declared forfeittd to the state, with everything on board 
of her. In that case the vessel belonged to a non-resident of the 
state, and was condemned by a justice of the peace of Anne Arundel 
county, and, upon appeal to the circuit court of that county, the 
judgment had been confirmed. The case, by writ of error to the 
Anne Arundel county court, was brought before the supreme court, 
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THE FEDERAL REPORTER. 
VOL. a 
CASES ARGUED AND DETERMINED 
mTHB 
CIRCUIT AND DISTRICT COURTS 
OF THE 
UNITED STATES. 
NOVEMBBR, 1881— FEBRUART, 1883. 
JAMES W. GOODWIN, Editob. 
BAINT PAULt 
WEST PUBLISHING COMPANY, 
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Page 
Adams v. Howard 347 
Aiken, Leatliers v 679 
Alabama Qold Life Ins. Co. v. Qi- 
rardy 142 
Albanv Oity Nat. Bank v. Maher. . . 884 
Albright, Pratt V 634 
Alcona, The 172 
Alexander v. Galt 149 
AUis, Downton v 766 
Allis V. Stowell 304 
American Ballast Log Co. of New 
York V. Barnes &amp; tiatto 465 
Anchoria, The 840 
Ansonia Brass &amp; Copper Co., West- 
ern Electric Manuf g Co. v 706 
Appointment of Supervisors of Elec- 
tion, In re 14 
Arho V. Brown 318 
Atlantic Giant Powder Co. v. Ditt- 
mar Powder Manuf 'g Co 316 
Austria, The 916 
Averill Chemical Paint Co. v. Na- 
tional Mixed Paint Co 462 
Bailej, Brooks v 438 
Baker &amp; Co. , Boykin, Carmer &amp; Co.v. 699 
Ballou, Strettell v 2,'i6 
Barnes v. Hartford Pire Ins. Co 813 
Barnes &amp; Gatto, American Ballast 
Log Co. of New York v 46.5 
Bate Kefrii^erating Co. v. G-illett ... 387 
B. C. Tcrry, The 920 
Belgenland, The 126, 576 
Bernard v. Heimann 400 
Berrian v. Clietwood 678 
Bignall, In re 38.'5 
Bing, Hunker v 277 
Bixby, United States v 78 
Black V. Scott 186 
Blanks, Eapc;y v 432 
Blatherwick v. Carey 202 
Boyliiii, Carmer &amp; Co. v. Baker &amp; 
Co 699 
Brewis v. City of Duluth and Village 
of Duluth 747 
V. 9— Fed. 
Pags 
Bright, In re 491 
Brockway v. Mutual Beneflt Life 1ns. 
Co 249 
Brooks V. Bailey , 438 
Brown v. Jefferson County Nat. 
Bank 258 
Brown v. Pliiladelphia, Wilmington 
&amp; Baltimore R. Co 183 
Brown, Arbo v 318 
Brown, Davis v 647 
Bruce v. Gibson 540 
Bucbanan, United States V 689 
Buckeye, The 666 
Buell V. Cincinnati, Efflngham &amp; 
Qiiincy Construction Co 351 
Burgess, United States V... 896 
Butchers' Union Livc-stock Landing 
&amp; Slaughter-house Co., Crescent 
City Live-stock Landing &amp; Slaugh- 
ter-house Co. V 743 
Cahill, United States v 80 
Campbell v. The Mayor, etc., of 
New York 500 
Carey, Blatherwick v 202 
Carnrick, McKesson v 44 
Cary, In re 754 
Cass V. Manchester Iron &amp; Steel Co. 640 
Cassen, Dederick v 306 
Central Vcrmont R. Co., Dwight v.. 785 
Central Vermont K. Co., Griswold v. 797 
Cetewayo, The 717 
Chalmers Spence Patent Non-con- 
ductor Co. V. Pierce 152 
Chase v. United States 862 
Chctwood, Berrian v 678 
Chicago Packing &amp; Provision Co. , 
Wilson Packing Co. v 547 
Chittenden v. Thannhauser 226 
Cliotcau,The 211 
Cincinnati, Efflngham &amp; Quincy 
Construction Co, Buell V 351 
City of Duluth &amp; Village of Duluth, 
lirewis v 747 
City of Elizabeth, Moran v 72. 
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Oregon &amp; California R. Co. ,Holmes v. 229 
Pacific, The 120 
Panguasetl, The 109 
Pattee v. Moline Plow Co 821 
Peck Bros. &amp; Co. , Zane v 101 
Penns3'Ivania R. Co. v. Gilhooley. . . 618 
Peterson, Thorson v 517 
Pharos, The 912 
PhiladeJphia, Wilmington &amp; Balti- 
more R. Co., Brown v 183 
Philadelphia, Wilmington &amp; Balti- 
more R. Co. , Johnson v 6 
Philadelphia &amp; ReadingR. Co.,Tay- 
lor V 1 
Pidgcon, Provost v 409 
Pierce, Chalmera Sponce Patent 
Non-conductor Co. v 152 
Pierson, Forsyth v 801 
Pitls, In re 542 
Plainville Manuf'g Co., Holmes v. .. 757 
Plattv. Mead 91 
Plimpton V. &quot;Winslow 365 
P. Lorillard &amp; Co. v. Dohan Carroll 
&amp; Co 509 
Plymouth Rock, The 413 
Pope V. Pilley 65 
Pratt V. Albright 634 
Prince Leopold, The 333 
Provost V. Pidgeon 409 
Putnam v. Lomax 448 
Ralph V. United States 693 
Reading, Still &amp; Bro. v 40 
Rector s Case 16 
Reissner, Sliarp v 445 
R. E. Lee Mining Co., Rogers v 721 
Renchard, Detroit Lubricator Maa- 
uf g Co. V 293 
Rice, St. Paul &amp; Sioux City R. Co. v. 36^ 
Rice, Sioux City &amp; St. Paul R. Co. v. 368 
Richardson, H, &amp; C. Newman v. . . . 865 
Richardson, Stevens v 191 
Richardson, United States v 804 
Richardson &amp; Cary, Letchford v. . . . 865 
Richmond, The 863 
Robert Gaakin, The 62 
Robinson v. New York Cent. &amp; Hud- 
son River R. Co 877 
Robinson, McLeod &amp; Co. v. Memphis 
i&amp; Cliavieston R. Co 120 
Rogers v. R. B. Lee Mining Co 721 
Ross, Milliken v 855 
Royer v. Kussell &amp; Co 696 
Russell &amp; Co., Royer v 696 
St. Louis Beef Canning Co., Wilson 
Packing Co. v 547 
St. Louis, Iron Mountain &amp; Southern 
Ry. Co., Insurance Company of 
North America v 811 
St. Louis, Iron Mountain &amp; Southern 
Ry. Co., O'Neil V 337 
Page 
St. Paul &amp; Sioux City R. Co. v. Rico. 368 
San Jacinto Tin Co., Manning v 726 
Saratoga, The 322 
Sargeut &amp; Co., Tucker v 299 
Sawyer v. Kellogg 601 
Sayles v. Louisville City R. Co 512 
Schwed, Smith v 483 
Scott, Black v 186 
Sears, Steam Stone Cutter Co. v . . . . 8 
Seay v. Wilson 589 
Secor V. Singleton 809 
Security 1ns. Co. , New Ilaven Steam 
Saw-mill Co. v 779 
Seldon v. Stockwell Self-lighting Gas- 
burner Co 390 
Shannon v. J. M. W. Jones Station- 
ery &amp; Printing Co 205 
Sharp V. Reissner 445 
Shaw, In re 495 
i^hedd V. Washliurn 904 
Shirley, In re 901 
Hillom, Oglesby v 860 
Simmons v. Spencer 581 
Sims, In re 440 
Sims, United States v 443 
Singleton, Secor v 809 
Sioux City &amp; St. Paul R. Co. v. 
Rice 368 
Six Ilundred Tons of Iron Ore 595 
Smith V. Schwed 483 
Smith, Dwight v 795 
Smith, Inre 592 
Spaulding, Doyle v 611 
Spaolding, lllmgworth v 611 
Spaulding, Jennings &amp; Co., Illing- 
worth V 154 
Spencer, Simmons v 581 
Spring V. Domestio Sewing-machine 
Co 505 
Staples, Gould v 159 
Steam Stone Cutter Co. v. Sears .... 8 
Stevens v. Richardson 191 
Still &amp; Bro. V. Keading 40 
Stockwell Self-lighting Gas-burner 
Co. , Selden v 390 
Stowell, Allis V 304 
Strettell v. Ballou 256 
Svvenk, In re 643 
Sylvan Glen, The 335 
Tallrnadge, Traders' Bank of Chi- 
cago V / 363 
Tayior v. Philadelphia &amp; Ueading R. 
Co 1 
Thannhaiiser v. The Cortes Co 225 
Tliannhauser, Chittenden v 226 
Thannhauser, The Cortes Co. v 226 
Thompson, Flanagin v 177 
Thorson v. Peterson 517 
Tildcn, Willdnson v 683 
Toledo, Peoria &amp; Wavsaw R. Co., 
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Tome, Coons &amp; Braine v 532&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Forsyth ▼. Van Winkle 247 
Qottfried v. Orescent I3rewing Co. . . 762 
Hatch V. Indianapolis &amp; Springfleld 
R. (Jo 856 
Indiauapolis &amp; Springfleld R. Co., 
Hatchv 856 
Pierson.Porsyth V 801 
Van Winkle, Forsyth V 247 
District Court, D. Indiana. 
Bixhy, United States v 78 
Hamilton, United States v 442 
United States V. 15ixby 78 
United States v. Hamilton 442 
CiEcuiT Court, E. D. Wisconsin. 
Albright, Pratt v 634 
AUisv. Stowcll 304 
Allia, Downton v 766 
Downton v. Allis 766 
Grand Trunk Kailway of Canada, 
Young V 348 
Pratt V. Albright 634 
Stowell, Allis V 304 
Young V. Grand Trunk liailway of 
Canada 348 
CiEcmr CouET, W. D. WiscoNsm. 
Mills, United States y 684 
United States T. Mills 684 
EIGIITH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, D. Arkansas. 
Rector's Case 16 
Circuit CoimT, D. Colorado. 
Ballon, Strettell V 2.5« 
Hudson V. Knnsas Pacific Ry. Co. . . 879 
Kansas Pacific Ry. Co., Hudson v . . 879 
La Plata Mining &amp; Smeltiug Co., 
McGowau V 861 
Marsh v. Union Pacific Ry. Co . . . . 873 
McGowan v. La Plata Mining &amp; 
SmeltingCo 861 
R. E. Lee Mining Co., Rogers v 72. 
Rosrers v. R. B. Lee Mining Co 721 
Bimmons v. Spencer 68i 
Spencer, Simmous v , 58'' 
Btrettell v. Ballou 256 
Union Pacific Ry. Co. , Marsh v 873 
CiBCDiT Court, D. Mtnitksota. 
Bames t. Hartford Fire Ins. Co. . .. . 813 
Page 
Brewis v. City of Duluth and Village 
ofDuluth 747 
City of Duluth &amp; Village of Duluth, 
Bre wis v 747 
Consolidated Middlings Purifier Co. 
V. Guildor 155 
Crawford, White v 371 
Guilder, Consolidated Middlings Pu- 
ritier Co. v 155 
Hartford Fire Ins. Co., Barries v 813 
Rice, St. Paul &amp; Sioux City H. Co. v. 368 
Rice, Sioux City &amp; St. Pau&quot;l K. Co. v. 368 
St. Paul &amp; Sioux Citv R. Co. v. llice. 368 
Sioux City &amp; St. Paul R. Co. v. 
Rice 368 
White T. Crawford 371 
Circuit Court, E. D. Missouri. 
Cahill, United States v 80 
Downton v. Yaeger Milling Co 402 
Filley, Pope v 66 
Gas Consumers' Ass'n, Herring v. .. 686 
Herring v. Gas Consumers' Associa- 
tion 6S6 
Indianapolis &amp; St. Louis R. Co., 
Keepv 625 
Insurance Company of North Amer- 
ica V. St. Louis, Iron Mountain &amp; 
Southern Ry. Co 811 
Keep V. Indianapolis &amp; Bt. Louis R. 
Co 628 
Keep V. Union Railway &amp; Transit 
Co 625 
O'Neil V. St. Louis, Iron Mountain 
&amp; Southern Ry. Co 337 
Pope V. Filley 65 
St. Louis, Iron Mountain &amp; Southern 
Ry. Co., Insurance Company of 
iTorth America v 811 
8t. Louis, Iron Mountain &amp; Southern 
Ry. Co.,0'Neilv 337 
Secor V. Singleton 809 
Singleton, Secor v 809 
Union Rai ]way&amp; Transit Co ,Iveepv. 625 
United Slates v. Cahill 80 
Yaeger Milling Co., Downton v. . .. . 402 
District Court, E. D. Missouri. 
Bignall, &quot;n re 385 
Burgess, United States v 896 
United States v. Burgess 896 
United States v. Wynn 886 
Wynn, United States v 886 
Circuit Court, W. D. Missouri. 
Schwed, Smithv 483 
rjeay V. Wilson 589 
Smithv. Schwed 483 
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Oregon &amp; California R.Co.,Holmesv. 229 
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In Banh of U. S. v. Halstead, Mr. Justice Thompson said : 
&quot; I£ the alterations are limited to mare form, without vaiying the eiiect and 
operation of the process, it would be useless. The power here given, in order 
to answer the object in view, cannot be restricted to form, as contradistin- 
guished from substance, but must be understood as vesting in the courts 
authority so to frame, mould, and shape the process as to adapt it to the pur- 
pose intended. The general poliey of all the laws on this subject is very 
apparent. It was intended to adopt and conform to the state process and 
proceedings, as the general rule, but under such guards and checks as might 
be necessary to insure the due exercise of the powers of the courts of the 
United States. It is said, however, that this is the exercise of legislative 
power which could not be delegated by congress to the courts of justice. But 
this objection cannot be sustained. There is no doubt that congress might 
have legislated more speciflcally on the subject, and declared what property 
should be subject to executions from the courts of the United States. But it 
does not follow that because congress might have done this they necessarily 
must do it, and cannot commit the power to the courts of justice.&quot; 
These authorities well establish the validity of the rule of this court 
regulating attachments. It is strenuously contended in behaK of the 
defendant that if this writ was valid its service, which was by copy of 
the wi'it and return of attachment upon it lodged in the town clerk's 
office where the land records are kept, without possession, was not, 
and that it did not create any lien upon the land. If this was strictly 
a sequestration this point would be well taken; butit is not, although 
it is called so to someextent. A sequestration is intended to accom- 
plish its obj'ect by the actual taking of goods and chattels, or the rents 
and profits of lands, and withholding them until the distress brings 
compliance with what is then required, and it creates no lien in favor 
of future judgments or decrees, while an attachment creates such a 
lien and nothing more. This is in effeot strictly an attachment to 
create a lien, and is so understood in the laws of the state adopted 
by the rule. Frenchy. Winsor, 36 Vt. 412. The creation of the lien 
provided for by the rule includes as well the mode of service as the 
issuiug of the writ, and adopts the state law for both purposes. 
Besides, if the writ was valid, and there was no law or rule providing 
any mode of service, the return upon the process of an attachment of 
land would be sufficient without any taking possession or entry upon 
the land by the officer. Taylor v. Mixter, 11 Pick. 341. And this 
argument would prove too much ; for, if the rules of court did not 
provide for the service of executions in equity cases, there would be 
no provision at all for that purpose, nor, in fact, for issuing execu- 
tions in such cases. Executions are satisfied by levy on land only by 
appraisal and setting out the land to the creditor under the state&lt;noinclude&gt;
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no other purpose, then they belong to the class of manufactures not 
otherwise provided for ; that is, they are cotton ties. The court so 
instructs you upon this point. 
The defendant has put the converse of that proposition: If the 
jury find that the hoops and bands of iron are not such a manufac- 
ture as to be known and distinguished as a manufacture of iron, they 
should find for the defendant. You are so instructed. 
The eleventh point presented by the defendant is substantially the 
same thing : To constitute the material in question a manufacture 
within the meaning of the act of 1864, the jury must find that it is a 
completed product ready for the use for which it was designed, with- 
out any further manipulation or any more work being doue upon it, 
or any change being made upon it to fit it for that use. 
That point is answered as follows: To withdraw the article in 
question from the category of hoop iron, the jury must be satisfied 
that it has been so manipulated as to change its distinctive char- 
acter, not as to the material of which it is made, eertainly, because 
in one sense it is hoop iron ; but whether it is a thing made out of 
hoop iron, or hoop iron in its original condition, converted into a 
completed fabric of iron, and thus prepared and ready for some spe- 
cial use, and so unfitted for economieal employment in the ordinary 
general use to which hoop iron may be applied without further 
mechanieal manipulation, is another question. 
Now, gentlemen, I repeat that, in the judgment of the court, the 
only material inquiry for you here is whether this article has been 
subjected to such mechanieal treatment as to fit it completely for the 
special use for which it was designed; that is, bailing cotton. It is 
not necessary that it should be put around a cotton baie and fastened 
to it to make it complete. If it was completely prepared for that use, 
so that it could be used by the person who wished to put it around 
cotton baies, and needed no further mechanieal treatment, then it was 
a completed fabric, and a manufacture within the meaning of the act 
of congress, and so subject to a less duty than that exacted, and the 
plaintiff is entitled to recover. That is the simple question ; and as 
you decide that you decide this case, and find for the plaintiff or the 
defendant. 
If you find for the plaintiff and determine that this is a complete 
article of manufacture, you will assess the damages by allowing to 
the plaintiff' what is agreed to have been the excess of duty charged 
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ble plaintiffs to recorer under it.all its allegations for the purpose 
of this demurrer being admitted. The petition shows the sale to J. 
S. Sullivan &amp; Co. to have been made January 15, 1878. The inju- 
ries eomplained of began January 1, 1880. After this sale to J. S. 
Sullivan &amp; Co. any person to whom they should grant the right to 
use the Still tree would be protected thereby, and plaintilis' remedy 
would be by suit against Sullivan &amp; Co. for the royalty. It follows, 
therefore, as the plaintiffs show, that J. S. Sullivan &amp; Co. have the 
right to use their invention and authorize other persons in the United 
States to use the same ; that in order to make a prima facie case of 
liability against a person for using the StUl patent it must afiSraia- 
tively appear that such person is not using, it under the authority or 
license of J. S. Sullivan &amp; Co. Does the petition show this ? The 
raie to be applied isthat the pleadinga will be oonstrued most strongly 
against the pleader. , i 
It is insisted by defendants that this is.a necessary allegation, and 
I am of the same opinion; because, if these defendants are working 
under Sullivan &amp; Co. and using Still's patent, then, of course, the 
only remedy plaintiffs ean have is by suit against Sullivan; &amp; Co. 
for their royalty. If defendants are not working under Sullivan &amp; 
Co. and are infringing plaintiffs patent, then plaintiffs would be enti- 
tled to their remedy against them; hence the necessity of the alljega- 
tion that they are not authbrized to use plaintiffs' invention by J. S. 
Sullivan &amp; Co. It is alleged that they are not using it uud,er authority 
or by virtue of the contract, between plaintiffs aiid J. S . S ujlivan &amp; Co. ; 
but that is not alleging that they are not uaing it under or ;by virtue 
of a contract made t&gt;y defendants, with J. S. Sullivan &amp; Co. The 
demurrer, therefore, upon this point is sustained. 
The thirteenth paragraph cannot be relied upon as Connecting the 
J. S. Sullivan Saddle-tree Company with the J. S. Sullivan &amp; Co. to 
whom plaintiffs sold, because it states that certain peraons herein- 
after mentioned. This is inferentially saying that they have not 
been mentioned before. But suppose it did, and the circular should 
be regardcd as part of the petition, and that Sullivan &amp; Ccwere in 
fact the Sullivan Saddle-tree Company. What then foliota? The 
most that oould be said. would, ,be that the saddle-tree company 
were authorizing these defendants io use, the Moody tree, and in that 
event, if the Moody tree is the one inveiited by plaintiffs, then J. S. 
Sullivan &amp; Co. are responsible to plaintiffs for the royalty, and their 
remedy is against them ani not against the defendants in this suit. If&lt;noinclude&gt;
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efiect a rapid operation, and any number of sets of apparatuses may be used, 
in case it may be required to retain the pills on the pins, or in the clamp, 
fdr drying the substance with wMch they are coated. The pills may be 
taken oli the comb-barwhile in any suitable holder, after having been formed 
in otfaer moulds, and I propose to use it in this vvay if found advisable.*' 
There are two claims, as follows : 
&quot; (1) The combination of the comb-bar, B, clamp, E, and strippers, H, sub- 
stantially in the manner described and for the purpose specified; (2) the com- 
bination of the moulds. A, with the comb-bar, B, substantially as and for the 
purpose specified.&quot; 
The only claim in question in this suit is the second claim. That 
claim relates to the combination of the comb-bar, carrying the needles, 
with the pill-holder, substantially as and for the purpose described. 
The pill-holder is to have a number of cavities, so as to secure rapid 
work. There are to be as many needles as there are cavities. The 
manner of the combination is to have a groove extending from each 
cavity whenffie twb parts forming the holder are closed, so that the 
needle may pass through the groove into the pill, and the pill be 
retained on and removed with the needle when the two parts of the 
holder are separated, so that the pills on all the needles may be re- 
mdved at once and be dipped, on the needles, all at once, into the 
ebating solution. That is the purpose specified. The resuit of this 
rapid work is a greater number of pills created in a given time, and 
IhuB a reduction of cost. 
It is objected that the specification states that the pills are to be 
formed in &quot;a mould, A,&quot; and that the needle is to be thrust into the 
pill while the pill is in the mould in which it is formed, and that the 
defendant does not form his pills in bis pil^-holder; also that &quot;the 
moulds. A, mentioned in the second claim, are limited to moulds in 
which the pills are formed, and cannot include as holders, recep- 
tacles in which the pills are not formed or made or moulded from 
the raw material. But this view is contrary to the tenor of the text 
of the specification, which states that the invention consists in com- 
bining the comb-bar carryitig the needles with &quot;a moulding device for 
shaping pills, or other holder for them,&quot; and that &quot;the pills may be 
taken on the comb-bar while in any suitable holder, after having been 
formed in other moulds.&quot; That being so, the expression, &quot;the 
moulds, Ay&quot; in the second claim, muat be held to mean any suitable 
holder of the pills, whether the pills aie formed in it or in another 
mould. It is also objected that a pill cannot be moulded, with prac-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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But if the evidence shows that the vessel was free from all circum- 
stances of danger, present or apprehended; that ordinary towage serv- 
ice, at ordinary rates, could have been shortjy obtained, so that salvage 
compensation could not be presumed to have been intended; and that 
the towage was rendered for no other purpose than to expedite the 
completion of the voyage, — the service will be deemed to be a towage 
service only. The Emily B. Souder, 15 Blatchf, 550. 
Had the Colon, in this instance, been in no apprehension of 
danger ; had she been able, in the judgment of her master, to con- 
tinue her voyage under sail without any reasonable fear of hazard 
beyond the ordinary perils of navigation, as in the case last cited, — 
no reason appears why he should not have continued on his voyage, 
instead of interrupting. it and proceeding to Fortune islaud for re- 
pairs. Nor would the master of the Pomona, under these circum- 
stances, have been justified in going back upon his course, involving 
a delay of nearly a day in his own voyage. That was a plain 
deviation, involving, presumably, a violation of the vessel 's con- 
tracts with every one of its seamen, insurers, and freighters. By the 
maritime law the master bas an implied disoretionary authority to 
make such deviations in the interest of commerce and humanity, in 
order to save endangered life or property. The Centurion, Ware, 
490^; The Hooper, 3 Sumn. 542, 579. In the award of salvage com- 
pensation, account is taken of the increased obligations resulting from 
such deviations. But I have not been referred to any authority, nor 
do I find any, holding that it is within the lawful discretion of a 
master to make such a deviation from his own voyage as was made 
in this case, merely for the eonvenience of another vessel, or simply 
to expedite its progress, in the absence of all circumstances of danger. 
Ordinarily, deviations of that character would be plainly opposed to 
tho interests of commerce, and deserve censure rather than reward. 
It is not to be presumed, therefore, that such a departure from the 
voyage of the Pomona was eitherasked for or assented to, except 
upon the ground that the Colon was in actual need of assistance, 
through circumstances of apprehended danger, and that some salvage 
compensation was expected to be paid. The Colon, at the time this 
assistance was rendered, was not, like the Emily B. Souder, in the 
same condition as to her motive power in which she was when she 
left her last port; nor did she seek merely to expedite her voyage, 
but to get to safe anchorage as speedily as possible for repairs. The 
nearest safe anchorage was 57 miles distant, and she was nearlv&lt;noinclude&gt;
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adjudging the owner's compensation alone, and not providing for the 
officers or crew; nor could it be claimed that the latter eould in such 
a case demand contribution frona the owner instead of proceeding 
upon their own libel. An award and settlement thereon of the own- 
er's separate interest are equally effectuai ; and as no action or inac- 
tion of the libellants was induced by the former suit, and their rem- 
edies remain unimpaired, I do not perceive any ground for the claim 
of estoppel. The mere filing of a libel &quot;in behalf of all entitled&quot; does 
not increase the owner's legal authority, or of itself create any trust 
for other co-salTors, nor impose any additional obligations on the 
libellant in their behalf; it does not make others actual parties to the 
suit, nor prevent their filing supplementary libels of their own. If 
they desire, they may be allowed to come in on petition; but if they 
do not do 80, and the court should, from any cause, have entered a 
decree for the separate interest of some and not of all the co-salvors, 
the others mny still assert their separate remedies. The Aletheia, 13 
Weekly Eep. 279. To avoid multiplicity of actions the better prac- 
tice is for all co-salvors to join in one action, (The Boston, 1 Sumn. 328 ; 
The Edward Howard, Newby, 522 ;) and the court would doubtless 
withhold costs in all unnecessary proceedings. And in a libel by one 
co-salvor it usually, for its own convenience as well as for the eonven- 
ienoe of others, enters a decree making provision for all. But this 
does not affect the several and independent legal rights of co-salvors 
among themselves, -or their right to make separate settlements of 
their own interests after suit commenced, though nominally for the 
benefit of all others interested, so long as no others have beeome 
actual parties. 
Such is the established rule in equity. In suits for the adminis- 
tration of assets it is not uncommon for several actions to be brought 
by different creditors, all for the same common object, and each for 
the benefit of all others interested. These may all proeeed until a 
hearing in some one of them, when a decree will be made for the ben- 
efit of all. Until decree every such suit is entirely in the control of 
the actual parties to it, and may be settled at their own pleasure, 
without reference to others. Ross v. Crary, 1 Paige, 416; Handford 
V. Storie, 2 Sim. &amp; S. 196; Pemberton v. Topham, 1 Beav. 316; Pax- 
ton\. Douglas, 8 Yes. 520; Story, Eq. PI. §§ 98-103; Goody. Blewiit, 
13 Ves. 397; 19 Ves. 336; Hallett v. Hallett, 2 Paige, 19. 
In Handford v. Storie, 2 Sim. &amp; S. 196, a claim for contribution 
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The counsel have suggested some instructions, gentlemen, which I, 
probably, have anticipated in part, but I will refer to them. And 
first, on behalf of the plaintiff, I was asked to say to you as follows: 
&quot;The jury is instructed that the words, 'as soon as possible,' uscd in this 
contract, are to be here construed in the ordinary, reasonable sense in which 
such expressions are used in business. They are to be understood in the light 
of all the circumstances under which the contract was made, and with refer- 
ence to the course of trade in shipping iron from Glasgow.&quot; 
This clause did not make it obligatory upon the plaintiffs to do 
everything which was possible as a physical act, if such act lay beyond 
what shippers of iron might reasonably be expeeted to do. 
So far as the obligation of this clause of the contract is concerned 
it is sufficient if the jury find that plaintiffs diligently made every 
reasonable effort, in the usual course of commerce, to effect the prompt 
shipment of the iron. 
That, I think, is a correct statement of the ruie, and substantially 
what I have already stated to you. Plaintiffs also request me to say 
to you as follows : 
&quot; The court instructs the jury that, under the contract sued upon, 't was the 
right, if not the duty, of the plaintiffs to cause the iron designated therein to 
be shipped to New Orleans as soon after the contract was made as they could 
do 80 by exercising all proper and reasonable diligence and judgment. 
&quot; If the jury find that it was impossible for plaintiffs to obtain a vessel from 
Glasgow, and that it was practicable to obtain oue from Leith, and that ship- 
ment from Leith was a more expeditions way of getting the iron to New 
Orleans than waiting for a vessel from Glasgow would have been, then plain- 
tiffs were justified in shipping the iron from Leith instead of Glasgow.&quot; 
That is given as requested. 
The defendant's counsel requests the court to instruct as follows : 
&quot; The jury are instructed that the contract sued on was an entire contract 
for the entire quantity of 500 tons of pig-iron of the description and grade 
mentioned in the contract, and the defendant was not bound to receive any of 
said iron unless the entire quantity so contracted for did in fact answer to the 
description called for by the contract.&quot; 
Of course, gentlemen, under this contract the defendant was not 
bound to accept any part of the 500 tons unless the whole was tend- 
ered him. I do not, myself, remember any testimony tending to 
show that a smaller part was tendered. 
Mr. Hitchcock. No, there is no dispute as to that; it is not as to 
how much was tendered. 
Jvclge McCrary. Yery well, sir ; I say that is a correct rule, at all 
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or any of them might, but for the bankruptcy, have thereafter ac- 
quired the right to bring. 
After bankruptcy no further proceedings at law, such as reeovery 
of judgment and return of execution unsatisfied, are, on principle, 
necessary to sustain an action to reach equitable assets, for there is 
no fund or property of the debtor which can, by any possibility, be 
made available upon execution. When all remedy at law is ex- 
hausted, the right to equitable relief arises. But by the assignment 
in bankruptcy all remedy of the creditor at law is ipso facto exhausted. 
AU the debtor's property is thereupon vested by law in the assignee, 
and no subsequent judgment or execution can touch it. To procure 
judgment and execution to be returned thereon, even if not stayed by 
law, would be mere idle ceremonies. The situation is analogous to 
that of the estate of deceased persons, where the debtor's property is 
by law distributable to creditors pro rata, and not subject to any lien 
upon an after-acquired judgment. In such cases it bas long been 
settled that a creditor at large may maintain a suit in equity to reach 
assets fraudulently disposed of by the deceased debtor without the 
ordinary prerequisites of judgment and execution returned unsatis- 
fied, which in such cases would be wholly useless and unmeaning. 
Story, Eq. PI. § 514; Loomis v. Tifft, 16 Barb. 5el; Alsager v. Bowley, 
6 Ves. 748; Doran v. Simpson, 4 Ves. 651. By section 5046 of the 
Revised Statutes, moreover, &quot;all the property conveyed by the bank- 
rupt in fraud of his creditors is vested in his assignee.&quot; This lan- 
guage is not to be limited to technical conveyances of real estate, but 
is, I think, intended to embrace every species of property or means 
of the debtor transferred or disposed of by him in any manner which 
by the law of the time and place of the transaction is fraudulent as 
to creditors. It includes moneys of the debtor paid for property con- 
veyed to his wife by his procurement, or improvements made by him 
upon her lots, whenever either is in fraud of creditors. AU such 
property thus vested in the assignee he must have the legal right to 
recover by any appropriate legal proceeding, so long as, and to the 
same extent to which, the creditors defrauded might, but for the bank- 
ruptcy, have entitled themselves to recover it. In re Leland, 10 
Blatchf. 503, 507, 508. 
Moreover, Littlefield could acquire no lien on the property in 
question until the filing of his bill in equity. Clarke v. Rist, 3 Mc- 
Lean, 494; Storm v. Waddell, 2 Sandf. Ch. 494; Ocean Nat. Bank v. 
Olcutt, 46 N. y. 12.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/123</title>
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and the rim of the concentrator. One machine is constructed to 
compel the juice to pass through the bed ; the other to render it im- 
possible for the juice to take that course. It has been contended in 
behalf of the plaintiff that the spaces which appear in the defend- 
ants' machine between the edge of the bed and the rim of the concen- 
trator are perforations in the bed, within the meaning of the plain- 
tiff's patent. But the word &quot;perforation&quot; conveys the idea of a hole 
through an article, and cannot, with propriety, be held to describe a 
space between two articles such as in the defendant's machine is left 
between the bed and the concentrator, To so read the plaintiff's 
patent would be to enlarge its soope by giving a strained interpreta- 
tion to the language employed. 
But it is again contended, in behalf of the plaintiff, that the use iu 
defendant's machine of a bed for the lemon to rest on, located insid.» 
of the concentrator, with a space between the edge of the bed and th'fl 
rim of the concentrator, is but the employment by the defendant cf 
equivalent meehanism to accomplish the same resuit, and for that 
reason he must be held to infringe. In one sense the resuit is tb e 
same ; that is to say, iu both the machines the juice is squeezed ont 
of the lemon and caught in a concentrator. But in one the juice is 
forced by the action of the presser directly through the bed to the 
concentrator below by means of perforations in the bed. In the 
other a different direction is given to the juice. It is forced to the 
edges of the bed, where, by force of gravity, it passes around the 
edge of the bed and then to the concentrator below. This change in 
combination is substantial, and not merely colorable, as appears by 
testimony introduced by the plaintiff, and also by testimony intro- 
duced by the defendant. 
The plaintiff's witness Frank Stone who used the defendants' 
machine for some two weeks, squeezing about 300 lemons a day, sold 
that machine and bought one of the plaintiff's, because, as I under- 
stand the witness, the plaintiff's machine does not choke up so fast, 
nor require such frequent eleansing, as the defendants'. The defend- 
ants' witness Hall finds from actual experiment that the perforations 
in the bed of the plaintiff's machine render it more liable to clog 
than the defendants' machine, and more difficult to clean. Thus 
both sides, while they differ as to which machine is the better, agree 
that the machines perf orm the work differently. If the f act be, as both 
sides prove, that a difference exists between the operation of the two 
machines in respect to the liability to clog, and in the ease with which 
the machine can be kept clean, and if, as the plaintiff shows, this&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/143</title>
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After the collision the mizzen-mast of the bark was all of her above water, 
atid this was distinctly seen from the steamer when she was at the distanca 
of 600 yards from it. 
(8) The damages caused by the collision vvere assessed at $50,248.23. 
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. 
The following conclusions are fairly deducible from the evidence 
and the f acts f ound : 
(1) That the vessels were approaching each other from opposite directions, 
npon lines so close to each other as to involve the necessity of a deflection by 
one or the other of them to avoid a collision. 
(2) ihat the lookout on the bark saw the steamer when she was nearly a 
mile distant, and she was held steadily on her course, and that she thereby ful- 
filled her legal obligation. Even if her helm was ported it was at a time and 
nnder circumstances which did not involve any culpability on her part. 
(3) That it was the duty of the steamer to keep out of the way of the bark, 
and, to that end, so to change her course as to preclude all danger of col- 
lision. 
(4) That the bark could and ought to have been seen by the steamer when 
they were sufflciently distant from each other to enable the steamer to give 
the bark enough sea-roora to avert any risk of collision. In this failure to 
observe the bark the steamer was negligent. 
(5) No satisfactory or sufflcient reason is furnished by the respondent's 
evidence for this failure of observation. If it resulted from the inattention 
of the steamer's lookout, or because their vision was intercepted by her fore 
try-sail, she was clearly culpable. If it is explicable by the condition of the 
atmosphere, no matter by what cause it was produced, it was the steamer's 
duty to reduce her speed, and to place a lookout on her turtle-back. An omis- 
sion to observe these precautions was negligence. But, considering the proof 
that the bark held her course, and that the steamer might have seen her by 
proper vigilance, when suitable precaution against collision might have been 
taken, a mere speculative explanation of the steamer's presumptive culpability 
cannot be accepted as sufficient. 
I do not deem it necessary to enforce these conclusions by extended 
argument, The whole case is so clearly and satisfactorily treated by 
the learned judge of the district court that I adopt his opinion, and 
affirm the decree entered by him. 
A decree wHl, therefore, be entered in this court against the 
respondent for |50,248.23, with interest from Maroh 25, 1881, and 
oosts.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the true character of this instrument, and of the true relation of the 
parties to it, to treat it as if the maker were engaged in the business 
of issuing negotiable seeurities, which he is bound to protect at all 
hazards in the hands of a bona fide purchaser for value ; or, as it is 
expressed in argument here, to protect those who innocently and 
in good faith deal with it. This entails a liability dehors the con- 
tract. It makes the carrier an insurer or guarantor of Etrangers to 
the contraet against loss incurred by a use of the instrument in which 
the carrier has no interest, and binds him to a liability for which he 
is not paid; for the comparatively small sum he receivea as compen- 
sation for carriagewill not, and is never intended to, cover or insure 
him against loss incurred by such a liability as that. The considera- 
tion he recoives is not commensurate with the liability sought to be 
imposed, and if it is determined to exist carriers must necessarily add 
to the freight a sum sufficient to indemnify them, as insurance com- 
paniea are ; and this for the protection of outside parties dealing in 
matters not pertaining to the carriage of the gooda. Moreover, it 
obstructs the carrier in his proper business, and entails upon him 
the selection of agents possessing not only the ordinary mental and 
moral qualifications essential to the receiving, handling, and carriage 
of merchandise, but those having the relatively higher qualifications 
required of bank cashiers or other agents entrusted with the duty of 
issuing, signing, and handling bank notes, negotiable bonds, or like 
seeurities. It does not seem to me in the interest of commerce to 
compel carriers either to so increase the rates of compensation or to 
confine them to the selection of agents as banks and trust companiea 
are oonfined. 
And these considerations cannot be overlooked or overborne by the 
supposed benefits of having the commercial world supplied with an 
assurance against inconvenience in their dealings, not with the; car- 
rier, but each other. To illustrate by this case, it is plain that the 
Bank of Madison, when it discounted the draft and took the bill of 
lading, could have known, being in the same town, by sendingames- 
senger to the agent, depot, or warehouse of the company, that this 
was a false bill of lading. So, although these plaintiffs in New York 
could not so readily have ascertained that fact, they could have pro- 
tected themselves by refusing toaccept thedraftsuntil the cotton had 
arrived, or until by telegraph they had assured themselves of the 
existence of the cotton. 16 Am. Law Eeg. (N. S.) 1. They both, no 
doubt, trusted more to the ordinary honestyof human nature and the 
particular honesty of Chilea, thau they did to this bill of lading, or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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table they had the right to make good the promise that he should be 
profected. It is true that if: Patterson &amp; Co. had been adjudged 
bankrupts within three months after the transfer of this note, their 
assignees in bankruptcy could have attacked this transfer as a prefer- 
ence contrary to the express provisions of the bankrupt law then in 
force, and perhaps set it aside. But the provisions of the bankrupt 
lOsW,. prohibiting, preferential payments and conveyances, Was not 
invokied in apt time, and this transaction is to be considered as if no 
bankrupt law had ever existed. 
Complainants have cited a large number of decisions by the Iowa 
courts upon the statute of that- state regulating assignments mth 
preferences, ; and insist that as the statute of Illinois, in regard to 
*oluntary assignments, approved May 22, 1877, was substantially 
tiopied frbm the iowa statute, these decisions should be dofemed eon- 
trolling. There Would seem to be no doubt that the doctrine bf those 
c^ses, is that if an insolvent debtor makes several preferential pay- 
meitts to creditprs, or conveyances of property in p3,ynient of debts, in 
such sequence to each other, and to an assignment in trust for the 
tenefit of creditors, that they are all to be deemed as essentially one 
transaction, the preference will be sei aside as being in violation of 
the spirit of these statutes. Lampson v. Arnold, 19 Iowa, 480. And 
in this class of cases it bas been held that the voluntary assignee can 
set aside the preference and recover the property transferred or 
-money paid. These authorities only go to the point that if the trans- 
fer of this note to defendant was so intimately related to the assign- 
ment to Champion that they could be held to be one transaction. 
Champion could have held the note as against defendant. But when 
this court set the assignaient to Champion aside, it did not place 
plaintiffs in his shoes as against defendant; that is, it doea not fol- 
low, because Champion might have attacked this transfer as a prefer- 
ence, that, therefore, the plaintiffs can do so. They do not succeed 
to his rights of action under the Illinois statute, if he had any, but 
must rest upon. their rights upder the bankrupt law, 
This, then, being at most only a preferential payment, made more 
than three inonths before bankruptcy, cannot be set aside in favor of 
plaintiffs. Defendant not guilty. ■&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Cwrtis Tilton and Henry Flanders, for appellants. 
Thomas Hart, Jr., and J. Warren Goulston, for appellees. 
MoKennan, C. J. Finding of faets by the court : 
(1) On the evening of the aixteenth of May, 1877, a little before 9 o'clock, 
a collision occurred between the scUooner Marietta iillon, of which the libel- 
lants were owners, and the steamer Harrisburgh, which resulted in the entire 
loss of the schooner and her cargo, and in the drowning of six of-her crew, — 
all but two of those who were aboard of her. 
(2) The place where the collision occurred was within 100 yards of Cross 
Rip light-ship, off the coast of Massachusetts. 
(3) The night was unusually clear, the moon shining in her flrst quarter, and 
objecta were distinctly visible at a long distance, the vessels havlng actually 
sighted each other when they were about four miles apart. 
(4) At the point where the collision occurred the channel was nearly a mile 
wide, the light-ship being on the southern border of it, and there being a suf- 
flcient depth of water for the passage of the steamer in any part of it. 
(5) The steam-ship was pursuing a westwardly course, heading for the light- 
ship upon a straight line which wbuld pass slightly north of it ; or, in the 
language of the mate, &quot;I ported my bow and headed my ship for the light- 
ship, keeping the light a little on my port bow.&quot; This course she maintained 
without any deviation or reduction of her speed. 
(6) The schooner was sailing eastwardly, and when she was flrst seen by 
the steamer her position was cohsiderably (not less than a half mile) horth of 
the line of the steamer's progiress, and so north-westward of the light-ship. 
When the vessels were at a safe distance apart the schooner lufied a little to 
the windward, and thence, sailing on the wind, which was from the South- 
west, she pursued a course directly towards the light-ship, upon a line which 
was oblique to that of the steamer's course, exposlng her port light to the 
steamer. This was the course laid down in the sailing directions for vessels 
bound eastward, and she kept it steadily. 
(7) The courses of the vessels thus converglng to the light-ship, they must 
necessarily have moved upon interseeting lines. 
(8) When they were within three or four hundred feet of each other, and 
the peril was imminent, the schooner ported and the steamer starboarded her 
helm, and ran stern on into the port side of the schooner and sank her. 
CONCLUSIONS OF LAW. 
Most of the facts found above are undisputed. Those which are of 
decisive significance have been the subjects of very earnest and 
exhaustive contestation, and the evidence touching them is, to some 
extent, conflicting. It bas, therefore, been the duty of the court to 
•collate and consider carefully this evidence; and it is believed that 
fche facts found are the resuit of the pieponderating weight of it, and 
of the inherent probability of their truth. It would be superfluous to 
vindicate these conclusions by a detailed discussion of the evidence,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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constitutes a case of general average, Mr. Justice Story remarked 
that — 
&quot;The Roman law fiilly recognized and eriforced the leading limitations and 
conditions to justify a general contribution, which have ever since been 
steadily adhered to by all maritime nations: (1) That the ship and cargo 
should beplaced in a commoii imminent peril; (2) that there should be a 
voluntary sacrifice of property to avert that peril; and (3) that by that. 
sacrifice the safety of the other property should be preseutly and suceessfully 
attained. Hence, if there was no imminent danger, or necessity for the 
sacrifice, as if the jettison was merely to lighten a ship, too heavily laden by 
the fault of the master in a tranquil sea, no contribution was due. The con- 
tention of libellants, that the expenses incurred in this case were for the joint 
benefit of the ship and cargo, (because the voyage might otherwise have been 
indeflnitely prolonged,) is expressly declared in this case to be no ground for 
a general average contribution. It may be said that unless the ship is got off 
the voyage cannot be performed for the cargo, and the safety and prosecution 
of ■ the voyage are essential to entitle the owner to a contribution. But this 
principle is nowhere laid down in theforeign authorities; and certainly it 
bas Da foundation in the Roman law. It is the deliverance from an imme- 
diate, jrapending peril, by a common sacrifice, which constitutes the essence 
of the claim. * * * But, in truth, it is the safety of the property, and not 
of the voyage, which constitutes the true foundation of general average.&quot; 
In the subsequent case: of Barnard v. Adams, 10 How. 303, it is 
said that &quot;in order to constitute a case for general average, three 
things must concur, the first of which is a common danger; a danger 
in which ship, cargo, and crew all participate; a danger imminent 
and apparently inevitable, except by voluntarily incurring the loss of 
a portion of the whole to save the remainder.&quot; Subsequent cases in 
the same court reaffirm the same principle. The Hornet, 17 How. 
100; The Ann Elizabeth, 19 How. 162; The Star of Hope, 9 Wall. 
203. 
. In his work on General Average, air. jjowndes states, as a funda- 
mental rule, p. 4: &quot;That after the cargo is in safety, the benefit it 
may derive from being carried in the ship to its place of destination, 
is not a ground for making it eontribute towards the cost of repairing 
theiship, nor placing the ship in shape where she can be repaired;&quot; 
citing Powell v. Gudgeon, 5 M. &amp; S. 431, and Sarquy v. Hahson, 4 
Bing. 131; Duncany. Beiison, 1 Exch. 537; 3 Exch. 644; Job y. Lang. 
te«, 6E. &amp;B;^779. 
None of the cases cited by libellants look to^yards any relaxation of 
the rule that imminent danger to the ship and cargo is an ingredient 
esseptial to a general average contribution.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <ns>104</ns>
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in the case. If the proeeeding was &quot;pending&quot; when the law waa 
repealed, the court has power to grant the application. 
ihs language of the act of congress is inconsistent with the idea 
that it intended the court's jurisdiction to depend upon the presence 
of the required number and amount. Section 5021 of the Revised 
StatuteSj as amended by the act of 1874, (18 St. at Large, 180,) pro- 
vides that : 
&quot;And in all cases commenced since the first day of December, 1873, and 
prior to the passage of this act, as well as those commenced hereafter, the 
court shall, if such allegation as to the number or amount of petitioning cred- 
itors be denied by the debtor by a statement in writing to that effect, require 
him to file in court forthwith a full list of his ereditors, with their places of 
residence and the sunis due them, respectively, and shall ascertain, upon 
reasonable notice to the ereditors, whether one-fourth in number and one- 
third in amount thereof, as aforesaid, have petitioned that the debtor be ad- 
judged a bankrupt. But if such debtor shall, on the flling of the petition, 
admit in writing that the requisite number and amount of ereditors have 
petitioned, the court (if satisfled that the admission was made in good faith) 
shall so adjudge, which judgment shall be final, and the matter pioceed 
without further steps on the subject. And if it shall appear that such num- 
ber and amount have not so petitioned, the court shall grant reasonable 
time, not exceeding in cases heretofore commenced 20 days, and cases here- 
after commenced 10 days, within which ereditors may join in such petition. 
And if, at the expiration of such time so limited, the number and amount 
shall comply with the requirements of this section, the matter of bankruptcy 
may proceed; but if, after the expiration of such limited time, such number 
and amount shall not answer the requirements of this section, the proceed- 
ings shall be dismissed, and, in cases hereafter commenced, with costs.&quot; 
The bankrupt act provides that the adjudication shall relate back 
to the time of filing the petition. The section just quoted provides 
a mode for supplying the requisite number and amount when there 
was originally a deficiency. Can it be said that congress would 
make the adjudication relate back to a time when the court had no 
jurisdiction of the proeeeding? In this case there was a petition 
containing the neeessary allegations as to the residence of the alleged 
bankrupt, his indebtedness, the nature and cbaracter of the petition- 
er's claim, the acts of bankruptcy alleged to have been committed, 
with accompanying proofs and aifidavits as required by the bankrupt 
law, the defendant was duly served, and this gave the court juris- 
diction of the cause. The question was before me in the case of In 
re H. Hirsch e Co., and I then so ruled. The opinion of Judge 
Lowell in Ex parte Jeivett, 2 Lowell, 393, is to the same effect. 
The court having jurisdiction of the case when the bankrupt law was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Lawbencb and others v. Moeeisania Steam-Boat Co. 
(Dist/rict Court, E. D. New Twk. October 24, 1881.) 
1. Repaies to Vbssbl — Contract — Perpohmancb. 
h. &amp; Co., ghipwrights, made an ofler, by letter, to the M. Steam-boat Co. to 
repair one of their steam-boats, which was accepted, and L. &amp; Co. proceeded to 
do the work. Payments on account were made while the work was in progress, 
and a note for the balance of the bill given. Paymentof the note at maturity 
was refused on the ground that the contract hadnot been fully performed. 
L. &amp; Co. flled a libel to recover the balance claimed to be due, and the .Com- 
pany in their an,swer set up a special agieement to niake the boat stiii and 
strong as new, and remedy the defect which made lier &quot; cranky,&quot; and non- 
performance thereof. Beld, that the special agreement was not found by the 
testimony ; that the written contract in the letter was the. only one by which to 
determine the right of the parties ; and, the terms of that having been per- 
formed, the libellants were entitled to be paid the balance due. 
In Admiralty. 
Scudder &lt;e Carter, for libellant. 
T. C. Cranin, for libellee. 
Benediot, D. J. Upon the testimony there is little room to doubt 
that the libellant is entitled to recover the portion of his bill for work 
done upon the defendant's steam-boat, Shady Side, that remains 
unpaid. The letter of the libellant, dated April 10, 1880, containsa 
statement of the work he ofifered to do. The defendants, by their let- 
ter of April 14, 1880, accepted the libellant's offer as made. These 
two letters constitute a written contract by which alone the rights of 
the parties must be determined. These letters contain nothing in 
the shape of a warranty on the part of the libellant that the altera- 
tion he proposed to make in the boat's hull would make her stifif, and 
remedy the existing defect in her build, and for that reason it must 
be held that the special agreement set up in the answer bas not been 
proved. This view of the matter in controversy renders it unneces- 
sary to pass upon the conflicting testimony given in respect to con- 
versations and negotiations had prior to the reduction of the contract 
to writing. It should, however, be said that the acts of the parties 
subsequent to the aceeptance of the libellant's offer are in harmony 
with the view I have adopted, and confirm me in the opinion that the 
libellant bas performed his contract and is entitled to be paid the sum 
claimed in the libel. 
Let a decree be entered to that effect.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the port bow; that the captain, not being able to see the light, at 
once ran forward with bis night-glass, on the top-gallant forecastle, 
and there with his glass saw a small, dim light about four pointa on 
the port bow, but at firat could not tell whether it waa a white or a 
green light, but in a moment he saw that it was a faint green light, 
close in, and drawing nearer, and apparently erosaing the courae of 
the bark but a short distance off ; that he saw that a collision was 
inevitable if the two vesaels kept their courses, and he at once ran 
aft to the man at the wheel and ordered him to put hia wheel to 
port, but before the order could be exeeuted so as to exert any per- 
ceptible influence on the heading of the bark by compass, the bark 
came in contact with some portion of the stem of the schooner, 
breaking the jib-boom and some of the head-gear of the bark. 
. The answer alleges that the bark's lights were properly set and 
brightly burning ; that she had a competent lookout ; that her course, 
from 4 o'clock to the time of the collision, was N. W. by N., and 
that she kept that course steadily till the collision; that the 
Bchooner's course waa changed more than two points before the col- 
lision, and as much as four or five points. It denies the faulta 
charged against the bark in the libel, and avers that the collision was 
caused by the faulta of the schooner in not keeping out of the way of 
the bark, and in not going under the stern of the bark or luffing up in 
the wind; that she had no proper lights, nor a proper and sufficient 
lookout ; that she did not see the bark sooner than she did, and did 
not keep out of her way as it waa her duty to do; that instead of 
doing 80 she kept away right under the bow of the bark, bringing 
herself about on a Une with the course of the bark, and that she did 
not show a torch-light over her quarter and stern. 
The testimony from the schooner shows that the mate, who was at 
the wheel, first saw the bark. He describes what he saw as a small 
black speck over the starboard davit. He ealled the lookout to him. 
The lookout came aft by the wheel and he saw that it was a square- 
rigged vessel. They were alarmed at the situation, the vessel was so 
near, and the mate cried out, &quot;Call the captain.&quot; The lookout ran 
down the companion-way, which opened aft on the quarter-deck near 
the wheel, to call the captain. The captain was awakened by the cry 
of the mate, and immediately rushed out of the cabin. He had his 
clothes all on exeept his hat. When he reached the door of the com- 
panion-way the mate pointed out the vessel. He saw that it was a 
square-rigged vesael, apparently heading for the schooner's bow. In 
his judgment it was from 200 to 400 feet away. He sprang to the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The defendant insista that, in view of Brockway's pecuniary circum- 
stances and his station in life, it is highly improbable that he could 
be honafde indebted to Seybert for so large an amount as $10,000. 
It is further urged that if any such indebtedness in fact existed, it 
was in the power of Daniel P. 8eybert, the use party plaintiff, to show 
that indebtedness, to prove the consideration for which the note was 
given, and that the entire absence of such evidence raises a strong 
presumption against the honafides of the note. It is for you to say 
what weight should be given to these considerations, which the de- 
fendant's counsel have pressed upon you. 
The case, as submitted to the jury, turns upon the determination 
of two questions of fact. The one relates to the habits of Brockway 
in respect to sobriety ; the other bas regard to the character of the 
policy in suit. 
(1) Was Beckwith S. Brockway, on March 8, 1868, &quot; sober and temperate,&quot; 
and had he always been so? 
(2) Was the policy in suit a bonaflde risk upon the life of Brockway, or was 
it merely a speculative transaction on the part of Seybert — a wagering policy ? 
If you find both these questions of fact in favor of the plaintiff, 
your verdict will be for the plaintiff. But if your flnding upon these 
questions of fact, or upon either of them, is against the plaintiff, your 
verdict must be for the defendant. — lins. Law J. 
Strettell V. Ballou and others. 
(Circuit Court, D. Colorado. October 15, 1881.; 
1. MiNERAL LaNDS — ClAIM — PARTITION — CiBCUIT COUBT — JUKISDIOTION DT 
Equitt. 
The jurisdiction in equity of the circuit court of the United States is derived 
from the constitution and laws of the United States alone. Hence, a bill for 
partition, brought in the circuit court by the owner of an undivided interest in 
a mining claim, will he dismissed for want of jurisdiction, as the title to the 
land remains in the United States. 
M. B. Carpenter, for complainant. 
Dixon e Reed, for respondent. 
McCbary, C. J. It bas long been settled that the jurisdiction of 
the circuit courts of the United States in equity is derived from and 
defined by the constitution and laws of the United States; that it is 
the same in all the states, and is not to be affected or varied by the 
varions statutes of the states, whereby the chancery powers and 
jurisdiction of state courts may be defined and regulated. This court&lt;noinclude&gt;
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made sundry objections to testimony in the district court. Thejre 
was no disposition of them by any order of that court, or by any pro- 
vision in the decree of that court. The petition of appeal sets forth 
that the decree below is erroneous because the district court committed 
errors in its rulings as to the admission of evidence reported by the 
examiner, and in declining to strike out such as were by defendant 
objected to, as will more fully appear by the objections to and 
requests to strike out evidence taken and tiled with and before said 
judge on the hearing of the cause, some of which are referred to in 
his decision, and also in the rulings and decision of the said judge; 
that the defendant is chargeable with all the knowiedge its attorneys 
in the prosecution of said several suits to judgment possessed, which 
was acquired in the progress of the suits, or present to their minds, if 
acquired previously; and also in holding that said attorneys were 
under.no professional obligation not todiselose the circumstances and 
designs of the bankrupts, who became clients of theirs after the com- 
mencement of said suits, who desired to assist defendant, and that 
the presumption is they did communicate their information; and 
also in holding the declarations of the attorneys competent evidence . 
of the intent and knowiedge, and to charge defendant. The district 
judge rendered a decision, on which he said : &quot;The attorneys employed 
to bring actions and obtain judgments were the bankrupts' attorneys, 
and the defendant is chargeable with all the knowiedge they pos- 
sessed which was acquired by them in the progress of the suits or 
present to their minds if acquired previously. Story, Ag. § 40 ; The 
Distilled Spirits, 11 Wall. 356. They were under no professional 
obligations not to disclose the circumstances and designs of clients 
who desired to assist the defendant, and the law presumes that they 
did communicate their information.&quot; 
The defendant insists that several objections to evidence should 
be sustained and the evidence excluded. It was essential to prove 
the intent on the part of the bankrupts. Their declarations, while 
this intent was being effectuated, are as competent as their acts. 
So, also, the declarations of the attorneys, during the progress of 
the transaction, are evidence of their intent and knowiedge. The 
advice given by the attorneys to their clients is excluded, because 
inadmissible under the rule which forbids the disclosure of con- 
fidential communications. The objections to and requests to strike 
ont evidence referred to in the petition of appeal, as taken and filed 
with and before the district judge on the hearing of the cause, do 
not appear in the printed record from the district court, unless the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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$1,700 paid for duties and froight, |450 for insurance, and a few 
hundred dollars for miscellaneous small items of expense. 
The respondent's charge of $1,618.14, for &quot;his commif?sions as 
assignee,&quot; was intended as a charge of 5 per cent, upon the gross col- 
lections; and his counsel, upon the argument, daims that su m as his 
legal right under a statute of the state of New York, passed May 22, 
1878, (chapter 318, § 7,) declaring that assignees &quot;shall receive foi 
their services a commission of 5 per centum on the whole sum which 
shall have corne into their hands.&quot; Prior to this act there was no 
statutory provision in this state fixing the compensation of assignees, 
but it had long been settled in practice that they were to be allowed 
the same rates as those prescribed by statute for executors and 
administrators,&quot; — Keiley, Ins. Assgts. (3d Ed.) 137; In re Scott, 53 
How. Pr. 441 ; Meacham v. Sternes, 9 Paige, 398, 403 ; Barney v. Grif- 
fin, 2 Comst. 372, — -which in this case would amount to less than one- 
third of the new statutory allowance. The counsel for the complain- 
ant contends that the respondent is not entitled to the benefit of this 
statute, but is limited to the former rule, which was in force on Jan- 
uary 2, 1878, when he accepted the trust. 
There is nothing in this statute intimating that it was intended to 
be reti-oactive, By the ordinary rule of construction it would not, 
therefore, apply to assignments previously made. The compensation 
of the assignee, as long fixed by practice, might fairly be deemed to be 
among the implied terms, both of the making and of the acceptance 
of the assignment. If the statute in question had materially reduced 
the compensation of assignees instead of increasing it, it would 
scarcely be contended that anything less than the clearest indications 
in the statute would justify its application to assignments already 
accepted and partly executed. And if a retroactive effect would not be 
given to such a statute to the prejudice of the assignee, it should not, 
I think, be applied retroactively to the prejudice of the assignor or of 
the creditors benefieially interested in the assignment. See MS. 
memoranda of Choate, 3., in Rutherford v. Clements, Deeember 29, 1880. 
I have not been referred to any adjudication on the siibject in the 
state courts, and it is not necessary to determine the question here, as 
there are other considerations in this case which rendei- this statute, as 
well as the application of any other fixed rule of compensation, inappli- 
cable. 
The assignment bas been adjudged fraudaient and void as against 
the eomplainant, and its further execution by the defendant lawfully 
interrupted. The assignee in bankruptcy lawfally takes the estate&lt;noinclude&gt;
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was issued, which -was served on the defendant on Mardi 12th ; au 
adjudication of bankruptcy was entered on May 31, 1878; the assign- 
aient to the plaintiff was made on August 9th ; and this suit com- 
menced on the thirty-arst of October following. In the mean time, 
during February and March, prior to the filing of the petition in 
bankruptcy, a judgment was recovered by the Eleventh Ward Bank 
against the assignors for about |8,000, upon which execution was 
issued to the sheriff, and several other judgments were recovered 
against them, upon which executions were also issued during the same 
period, all of which, by the law of this state, became liens upon any 
goods and chattels of the assignors, the legal title to which still re- 
mained in them. If the assignaient executed on January 2d had 
been a valid assignaient under the state law, these executions would 
not have attached, and upon the decree in this action setting aside 
the voluntary assignaient, the benefits of the decree, it is settled, 
would have enured only to the assignee in bankruptcy, and the exe- 
cution creditors would have remained without lien or preference as 
before. In re Biesenthal, 15 N. B. K. 228. But upon examination of 
the inventory and schedules by counsel for the judgment creditors, 
it was found that they were wholly wanting in any statement of the 
individual assets or liabilities of two of the three partners ; that they 
were verified by only one of them ; and that this one had stated noth- 
ing in regard to his individual assets or liabilities. Upon the ground 
of these defects in the schedules, this court, upon the petition of the 
Eleventh Ward Bank, adjudged the assignment void, under the state 
law, after the lapse of 30 days, to-wit, on February 1, 1878, and that 
all the execution creditors, between that date and the eleventh of 
March, when the petition in bankruptcy was filed, acquired valid 
legal liens upon the goods and chattels of the assignors. See opinion 
of Choate, J., In re Bear, filed December 23, 1879. These execution 
creditors have already withdrawn about $12,500 from the net pro- 
ceeds of the estate before mentioned, and other similar daims are 
still undecided; and the numerous petitions and litigations which 
have thus sprung from the invalidity of the assignment through the 
defective schedules have entailed large additional expenses, which are 
likely to leave but a small residue of the net proceeds of $21,313.07 
for distribution among the general creditors. 
Upon these facts it is clear that the defendant can have no legal 
or equitable daim to &quot;commissions as assignee.&quot; The assignment 
became, after the lapse of 30 days, through the remissness of the 
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ment of receiver in the Schroeder foreclosure, that not being to the 
benefit of the creditors, but opposed thereto; preparing and filing 
defendant's bond as assignee ; advice as to the effect of the injunc- 
tion in bankruptcy, and services in this suit. These subjects form by 
far the greater part of all those specified by the attorney. The re- 
maining items embrace several collection suits, advice concerning 
disputed claims, and negotiations and arrangements concerning liti- 
gations which were of a professional character and beneficiai to the 
creditors. The evidence is not sufficiently explicit to enable me to 
estimate with exactness the value of the services last referred to ; but 
having examined caref ully all the testimony in regard to them, and 
allowing a liberal sum for each, I find the aggregate will not exoeed the 
Bum of $500, to which amount the complainant's coiinsel claims that 
these charges should be reduced, and that sum is accordingly allowed. 
The master's report passes the account as of December 37, 1878. 
By the testimony it appears that the balance of $20,663.07, then in 
the respondent's hands, had been paid over to the complainant prior 
to the report. A final decree should be prepared in accordance with 
this decision, which may be settled on two days' notice before me, if 
the parties do not agree. 
Kells V. MoKenzib and othera. 
{Circuit Court, E. D. Michigan. November 7, 1881.) 
1. Letthiis Patent — Scopb op Reissubs. 
A reissued patent is not valid for everything which raight have been claimed 
in the original patent, nor does its validity depend wholly upon the fact that 
the new features attempted to be socHred thereby werc suggested in the mod- 
els, drawings, or specifications of the original patent. 
Hence, where a patentee, in his specifications, claims as Iiis invention a par- 
ticular part of a machine, and his claims are all limited to that part, a reissue 
embracing other and distinct portions of the machine is not for the same in- 
vention, and is pro tantoxoia, although the designs accompanying the original 
patent show all the features contained in the reissue. 
2. Brick Machinb— Kbisrde— Invaliditt. 
The first four claims of reissued patent No. 8,8C7, to Philip H. Kells, for an 
improvement in brick machines, are void for the reasou that they eularge the 
scope of the original patent. 
3. Same — Samb— Anticipation. 
Beissued patent No. 8,127, to Philip H. Kells, for an improvement in brick 
machines, is also void, because a machine embodying the invention thereiii 
claimed was &quot;on sale&quot; more than two years before the application for the 
original patent was filed. 
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Under this section it is now settled that the decision of the com- 
missioner reissuing the patent is final and conclusive, and is not 
subject to review in any court, except as to the identity of the 
invention. But if it be apparent upon the face of the patent that 
he has exceeded his authority and bas thus acted without jurisdic- 
tion, and that there is a manifest repugnancy between the old and 
new patent, then it must be held as a matter of legal construction 
that the new patent is not for the same invention as that embraced 
aud secured in the original patent. Under the language of the 
statute the commissioner can only authorize a reissue when the 
patent is inoperative or invalid by reason of a defective or insufficient 
specification, or by reason of the patentee claiming as his own in- 
vention or discovery more than he had a right to claim as new. But 
in Seymour v. Osborne, 11 Wall. 5e4, it was said by Mr. Justice Clifford, 
in delivering the opinion, that — 
&quot; He may, doubtlesa, under that authority, allow the patentee to redescribe 
his invention, and to include in the description and claims of the patent not 
only what was well descrihed before, but whatever else was suggested or 
substantially indicated in the specification or drawings, which properly belong 
to the invention as actually made and perfected.&quot; 
This case and that of Battin v. Taggert, 17 How. 74, have very 
generally been accepted by patentees as authority for the proposition 
that a patent might be reissued so as to cover everything suggested 
in the drawings in the original patent, although the claims and the 
introductory statement of the invention may have had reference 
solely to another portion of the machine, and other persons might 
be thus led to suppose that the patentees regarded nothing else as 
his invention or consented to abandon his right to the remainder to 
the public. 
The cases in the supreme court are not easily reconcilable, more 
probably from the difficulty of understanding the exact question 
decided, in the absence of drawings and models, than from any 
change of view as to the law, and the cases in the circuit courts are 
in hopeless confusion. The tendency of later cases in the supreme 
court, however, has been to hold the patentees to a much more rigid 
rule than that indicated in Seymour v. Osborne, and the court has fre- 
quently expressed its disapproval of the practice which has grown up 
of claiming everything which might have been claimed in the original 
patent, to the detriment of those who may have acted upon the sup- 
position that such claims had been abandoned to the public. Thus, 
in Russell v. Dodge, 93 U. S. 460, the original patent svas for a pro-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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provements whicti might have corne into use, or might have been invented 
by others after its issue. The legislature was willing to eoncede to the pat- 
entee the right to amend his specification so as fully to describe and claim the 
very invention attempted to be secured by his original patent, and which was 
not fully secured thereby in consequence of inadvertence, accident, or mis- 
takfe, but was not willing to give him the right to patch up his patent by the 
addition of other inventions, which, though tJiey might be his, had not beet. 
applied for by him, or, if applied for, had been abandoned or waived. For 
such inventions he is required to make a new application, subject to such 
rights as the public and other inventors may have acquired in the mean 
time.&quot; 
A case bearing more directly upon the one under consideration 
than any other one I have met is that of the Manuf'g Co. v. Ladd, 
102 U. S. 408, and, as it contains the latest expression of the supreme 
court upon this subject, it is entitled to great weight. The original 
patent was for a water-wheel of specifie construction and form, with 
an annular chamber, a peculiar gate and guide arrangement, and a 
contrivance for adjusting the wheel on the step. There were three 
claims to the patent. After a lapse of twelve years and a half the 
patentee obtained a reissue with eleven different claims of a sweeping 
character, which, taken literally, would have given him a monopoly 
of all water-wheels having simultaneously an effective inward and 
downward flow and discharge, whatever might be the shape of the 
floats or of the crown. The court considered itself bound to consider 
the claims of the reissued patent in accordance with the limitationp 
of the invention in the original patent, and held the excess to be void. 
In delivering the opinion Mr. Justice Bradley spoke very foreibly ol 
the evils arising from expanding claims in reissued letters patent, an&lt;i 
in commenting upon the statute observed : 
&quot; It was never intended to allow a patent to be enlarged, but to allow tb^ 
correction of mistakes inadvertently committed, and the restriction of claims 
which had been improperly made, or which had been made too broad, — ^just 
the contrary of that which bas corne to be the practice. In a clear case of 
mistake, (not error in judgment,) the patent may undoubtedly be enlarged; 
but that should be the exception and not the rule, whereas the enlargement 
of claims has become the rule, and their contraction the exception.&quot; 
And in speaking of the reissue m that case he says : 
&quot; The invention of a wheel was not claimed at all. A wheel was described, 
but it was a wheel made after a particular pattern or form, and adjusted to a 
particular apparatus for the reception and discharge of the water. * * * 
Instead of correctlng inadvertent mistakes in the specifications, which ren- 
dered the patent inoperative and void, the patented descriptions are evidently 
intended to widen the scope of the patent, and make it embrace more than it 
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It is insisted, however, on the part of the defendant, that the Parshall 
patent is void, so far as the sixth claim now under consideration is 
involved, on the ground that the combination eovered thereby is a 
combination of parts already well known, producing no new resuit, 
and requiring no invention, but only mechanical skill, in its adaptation, 
and t'herefore not patentable ; and to support this proposition counsel 
cite and urge the rule as laid down in the supreme court in the case 
of Heber v. Van Normer, 20 Wall. 368, in the words : 
&quot;It must be conceded that a new combination, if it produces new and use- 
ful results, is patentable, although all the constituants of the combination 
were well known and in common use before the combination was made; but 
the resuit must be a product of the combination, and not a mere aggregate 
of several results, each the complete product of one of the combined elements. 
Combined results are not necessarily a novel resuit, nor are they an old resuit 
obtained in a new and improved manner. Thereby bringing old devices iato 
juxtaposition and there allowing each to work out its own pfPect without the 
production of something novel, is not invention. No one, by bringing together 
several old devices without producing a new and useful resuit, the joint pro- 
duct of the elements of the combination and something more than an aggre- 
gate, of old results, ean acquire a right to prevent others from using the same 
devices, either singly or in other combinations ; or, even if a new and useful 
resUlt is obtained, can prevent others from using some of the devices, omit- 
ting others, in the combination.&quot; 
It is not.always easy, in one's own mind, to draw distinctly the line 
■cyhich, in the application of a general, rule like this, no matter how 
clearly its meaning may be apprehended, separates what is here 
called the exercise of that invention entitled to th&amp; protection of a 
patent, and exercise of mere mechanical skill in readaptations, which 
are not. Still more difficult is it, in the application of the rule to 
the circumstances of a particular case, to point out and state distinctly 
to others, so as to clearly convey one's meaning, the reasons which 
deterraine the conclusion reached, without, at least, reference to 
drawings and diagrams, and minute and detailed rehearsals, of the 
various parts of the machine or device, their relation to each other, 
their mode of operation, and comparison with others, which wpuld 
show the exact state of the art at a particular date. That dif- 
ficulty is eucountered to some extent in , the present instance.; 
80 far, at least, as the attempt should be made toenumerate any 
new results attained by the combination and eovered by the sixth 
claim of the Parshall patent, other than those which are separate but 
aggregated results of the several well-known parts or elements that 
constitute the combination. But what is presented by the combina- 
tion, as it seems to me, is this : A lubricator, in which the breakage&lt;noinclude&gt;
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which enabled the horse or other power to move forward continuously with- 
out stopping or reversing, and which caused the ram to make strokes or move- 
ments of fixed extent and equal power ; an opening in the top of the tube, into 
which the hay was fed, one forkful at a time, so that eaeh forkf ul would be 
thrust forward to a fixed distance by the next stroke of the ram, and thereby 
compacted into a vertical section of pressed hay; retaining-shoulders in the 
walls of the tube, at or near the forward limit of the movement of the ram, to 
keep the hay sections from expanding baekward on the return stroke of the 
ram ; grooved partitions, to be inserted between the baies and moved along in 
the tube with them, to separate one baie from another, and to facilitate the 
introduction of the bands; tie-slots in the sides of the tube, to enable the bands 
to be introduced, passed around the baies, and tied oii without interrupting 
the feeding, pressing^ and discharging operations; provision for adjusting the 
walls of the tube towards or from each other, to regulate the friction upon the 
sides of the baie ; and a springing or yielding front face to the ram or ' traverser.' 
to prevent the hay from overlapping it and binding between its upper edge 
and the top of the tube.&quot; 
This is the plaintififs language, but, as a general description it is 
accurate. That the defendants' press infringes, we do not doubt. 
Whether all the plaintiff's claims are valid, and so infringed, is yet to 
be considered. But, looking at each press as a whole, and comparing 
the two, we find no material or substantial difference. Each has a 
crank-toggle and reoiprocating traverser, a press-box and bale-cham- 
ber, with tying-slots and retaining-shoulders at its rear end; each 
builds up a baie of separately-compressed sections, and discharges it 
when formed, through the forward end, by means of additional charges, 
and each has the adjustable sides at the front of the bale-chamber 
to regulate the friction of the passing baie. In short, the hay is 
received, pressed and formed into baies, held in position, bound and 
discharged, by the two presses substantially in the same manner — 
practically by the same means and mode of operation, and with sub- 
stantially the same resuit. Horizontal tying-slots are found on but 
one side of the defendants' (while the plaintiff's has them on both,) 
but a vertical slot or opening on the other, is substituted for passing 
the bands (the only ofiSce of tying-slots.) Neither this nor any other 
difference found, is deemed material. They are differences in form, 
that add no value to the machine. The defendants' will do nothing 
which the plaintiff's will not do as well and as expeditiously. The 
absence of advantage in the complicated method of passing the bands 
— rendered necessary by omitting the slots on one side — and the other 
differences in construction, might suggest the thought that these dif- 
ferences were resorted to in the hope of escaping responsibility for 
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ties, in combination with the bale-chamber,&quot; etc. ; and &quot;(11) The fol- 
lower 0, as a partition or separation between the finished and form- 
ing baie.&quot; 
Whatever the plaintiff may have intended by the term &quot;movable 
partition,&quot; as employed in the claims now under consideration, it 
must be held to refer to the &quot;follower 0, &quot; the only movable partition 
contemplated in the original application for a patent. The attempt 
to found four additional claims on this device, as here exhibited, is 
censurable. If the purpose was to vary the character of the device, 
it was an effort to expand the scope of the invention. If not this, it 
is a senseless, confusing, and therefore mischievous, multiplication of 
claims for the same aubject-matter. Construing the term &quot;movable 
partition&quot; to mean the &quot;follower 0,&quot; everything embraced in these 
claims is fully covered by the sixth and eleventh, just referred to, 
Eeading the latter in connection with the specifications and drawings 
(as we must,) they include every element and combination here 
embraced. The &quot;process,&quot; as it is called, in the eighth, is simply the 
operation and effeet of the plaintiff 's press, with the &quot;follower 0&quot; 
used in the manner set forth in the specifications, The claims are 
disallowed. 
Of reissue 8,292, the claims involved read as follows: 
&quot;(2) In that class of horizontal presses in which the hay is fed and pressed 
in sections by a reciprocating traverser and crank, or toggle power, as set forth, 
the loose or adjiistahle sweep or horse-lever, for the purpose set forth.&quot; &quot;(5) In 
that class of baling-presses in which the hay is fed and pressed in sections, a 
press-case provided with a screerv-bottom under the reciprocating traverser D, 
and in combination with the same, for the purpose set forth. (6) In a baling- 
press in which the material is compressed in sections by a reciprocating trav- 
erser, the pressing devices so arranged and operated that the reaction or elastic- 
ity of the pressed material shall reverse the traverser without turning the 
horse-lever or sweep.&quot; 
Here, again, two of the claims — the second and sixth — embrace the 
same matter. Each is substantially for an arrangement of the power 
and pressing devices (such as is described in the specifications and 
shown in the model and drawings,) to prevent the reaction or rebound 
of the pressed material throwing the lever against the horses. The 
matter embraced is new and patentable, but the double claim cannot 
be allowed. While it may be a matter of indifference whether the 
one or the other be rejected, we will reject the second and allow the 
sixth. In the fifth the only element demanding consideration is &quot;the 
screen-bottom&quot; under the reciprocating traverser. The claim is not 
to the screen (and could not be, for this is a very old device,) but is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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every legitimate way. But in the construction both of contracta and statu tes, 
the interit of the framers and parties is to be sought, first of all, in the words 
and language employed, and if the words are free from ambiguity and doubt, 
and express plainly, clearly, and distinctly the sense of the framers of the 
instrument, there is no occasion to resort to other means of interpretation. 
It is not allowable to interpret what bas no need of interpretation, and when 
the words have a defluite and precise meaning to go elsewhere in search of 
conjecture in order to restrict or extend the meaning. Statutes and contracta 
should be read and understood according to the natural and most obvions 
iraport of the language, without resort to subtle and forced construction for 
the purpose of either limiting or extending their operation.&quot; 
Now the language of this aot is plain and unambiguous. Accord- 
ing to its grammatical construction, and the natural and obvions 
meaning of the words used, it prohibita every seizure of the kind 
described by force of any provision of title 34r. The seizure in this case 
is one of the kind described, viz., of a vessel employed as a common 
carrier, where neither master nor owner was a consenting party or 
privy to the illegal act, and the seizure is made under title 34 exclu- 
sively. The seizure by a marshal for a penalty is as much a &quot;seiz- 
ure,&quot; both in the ordinary meaning of that word and in its legal sense, 
as a seizure by a revenue offieer for the purpose of forfeiture. To 
seize is to &quot;take hold of suddenly and forcibly; to take possession of 
by force.&quot; Worcester's Dict. In law, seizure is &quot;the act of taking 
possession by virtue of an execution or legal authority.&quot; Bouvier's Law 
Dict. As respects the fact of seizure it matters not by what legal 
offieer, or in what kind of a proceeding, such forcible possession is 
taken ; nor does it make any difference to the owner of the vessel, or to 
the public who may have taken passage in her, or laden her hold with 
goods for immediate transportation, whether the seizure and the inter- 
ruption of her journey come from a revenue offieer or a marshal. 
Whether done by the one or by the other, the act of each, the seizure 
itself, the forcible taking possession, is precisely the same in both 
cases. 
The word &quot;seizure&quot; applies equally to both. It manifestly describes 
the one kind as aptly and as naturally as the other. In the act of 
1881 there is no indication that the word &quot;seizure&quot; is not used in its 
general legal as well as popular sense. There is no evidence in the 
act itself of any intention to limit its application to seizures by one 
class of officers and in one kind of proceedings, and to exclude other 
seizures in other proceedings under title 34. No such distinction is 
made. Moreover, in passing this act, congress must be presumed to 
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responsibility of one person to another, for the consequence of personal negli- 
gence, is not lessened by.the existence of the relation of m aster and servant, 
Said McCrary, 0. J., in the late case of MoMahon v. Henning, 3 Fed. Rep. 
353, arising upon facts like those of the principiil case: &quot; The true doctrine of 
the common law is that the master is liable to his servants, as much as to any 
one else, for the consequences of his own negligence; aud it is no defeaee for 
Mm to show that the negligence of a fellow-servant contributed to bringing 
about the injury.&quot; Such personal negligence of the master may conslst, either 
in the failure to employ fit and competent servants, or to fumish suitable and 
safe machinery, structures, appliances, and materials for their use. 
Masteh's Duty in Selection of Machinery. In the selection of ma- 
chinery, etc., it is the duty of the master to use reasonable or ordiuary care, 
and this care he must exercise, both In procurlng and maintaining sound 
and safe structures and appliances. If be knows, or in the exercise of due 
care might have known, that they are unsafe or insufhcient, either at the 
time of procurlng them or at any subsequent time, he fails in his duty. 
Qilman v. Eastern R. Co. 13 Allen, 440; Bartomhill Coal Co. y. Reid, 3 
Macq. 266; Noyes v. Smith, 28 Vt. 59; Sullivan v. Louisville Bridge Co. 9 
Bush. 81; Kansas, etc., R. Co. v. Little, 19 Kan. 269; Lewis v. St. Louii, etc., 
R. Co. 59 Mo. 495; Mad River R. Co. v. Barber, 5 Ohio St. 541. The master 
is equally chargeable, whether the negligence was in originally failing to 
provide or in afterwards failing to keep the machinery in safe condition. 
Foi'd V. Fitohburg R. Co. 110 Mass. 240; Shanny v. Androseoggtn Mills, 
66 Me. 420; O'Donnell v. Allegheny, etc., R. Co. 69 Pa. St. 239; Chicago, 
etc., R. Co. V. Swett, 45 111. 197; Cooper v. Central, etc., R. Co. 44 Iowa, 134. 
&quot;ORDiNAnY Cabe&quot; — Warbanty of Soundness — Best and Safest 
Machinery. What will be ordinary care depends on the nature of the 
business, its extent, degree of hazard involved, and all the circumstances 
of the case. Said Thomas, J., in Cayzer v. Taylor, 10 Gray, at page 280: 
&quot; What is ordinary care cannot be determined abstractly. It bas relation to 
and must be measured by the work or thing done, and the instrumentali- 
ties used, and their capacity for evil as well as good. What would be ordi- 
nary care in one case may be gross negligence in anotlier. We look to the 
work, its difflculties, dangers, and responsibilities, and then say, what would 
and should a reasonable and pradent man do in such an exigency?&quot; 
The law does not exact from the master the exercise of the highest degree 
of diligence in supplying safe machinery for the use of the servant; ordinary 
care is sufficient. Cooper v. Central, etc., R. Co. 44 Iowa, 134; Nolan v. 
Shickle, 3 Mo. App. at page 307 ; Paterson v. Wallaae, 1 Macq. 748 ; Rolden 
V. Fitchhurg R. Co. 129 Mass. at page 277. But see Toledo, etc., R. Co. v. 
Conroy, 68 111. 560, holding a railroad corporation bound to exercise the high- 
est degreee of care in the construction of its road and bridges, and that ordi- 
nary pradence in such case was not sufficient. 
There is no implied warranty in the contract of service that the machinery 
or materials furnished shall be sound or lit for service, nor that the servant 
shall not be exposed to extraordinary risks. Heyer v. Salsbury, 7 Bradw. (111. 
App.) 93. The master does not guarantee the soundness of the machinery, nor 
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defects unknown to the master and not discoverable in the exercise of ordinary 
diligence, the master js not resppnsible. Fifleld v. NorlTiei-n R. Co. 4:2 N. H. 
226; Ormond v.Holiand^M., BI. &amp; El. 102 ; L.R.db F. 8. Ry. Co. v. Dfiffey, 35 
Ark. 602;' Qalveston, eto. R. Co. v. Belahunty, 53 Tex. 206; Flynn v. Beebe, 98 
Mass. 575; Zadd v. New Bedford R. Co. 119 Mass. 412; Qibson v. Pauiflc R. 
Co. 46 Mo. 163. 
The master is not bound to use only the safest and best machinery. That 
is, aside from the legal effect of the servant's knowledge of therisk, it is not 
negligence j)ey s? in the master to continue the use of machinery or materiala 
knowfl by him to ,be less safe than other wachinery or materials he might 
use for the same purpose. Thus, in Wonder v. Baltimore, etc., R, Co. 32 Md. 
411, wh^re it was sliown that the plaintiff, a brakeman, would not have been 
injured had a certain improved brake been used, the court said: &quot;A. master is 
not bound to change bis machinery in order to apply every new invention or 
sujcosed improvement in appliances, and he may even have in use a machine 
or an applianoe for its operation shown to be less safe than another in general 
use, without being liable to his servants for the consequences of the use of it.&quot; 
^iohigan C. R. Go. v, Smithson, 7 N. W. Kep. 791; Bayden y. ^mithville 
Manyfg Co. 29 Conn. 548; Fort Wayne, etc., R. Co. v. Qildersleeve, 33 Mich. 
133 ; Smith v. 8t. Louise etc., R. Co. 69 Mo. 32 ; Cooper v. Central R. Co. 44 Iowa, 
134. On the other hand, it was held in St. JOouis, etc., R. Go. v. Valtrius, 56 
Ind. 511, that it was negligence in a railway company to use cars dangerous 
in construction whep it could procure others not dangerous, and that it must 
procure the best or be held responsible. See, alao, Dorsey v, Phillips &amp; Colhy 
Construction Co. 42 Wis. 583, at page 597 ; Toledo, etc. R. Co. v. Asbury, 84 
111.429. 
DELEGATION OF MASTER'S DUTT TO AGENT OE SERVANT — SeRVANT'S 
Negligence Imputable to the Master. Where an employer attends 
personally to the supply and repair of the machinery, the question for the 
jury is, did he exercise reasonable care in the performance of his duty to the 
servant to selcct,sound and suitable machinery, and to keep the same in re- 
pair ? When the.employer does not do this in person, but, as is pf ten the case 
with individuals, and always the case wlth corporations, delegates the duty of 
selecting and repairing the machinery to bis agent or servant,, what is the 
question for the Jury in this case? Does the question becpme, as mainjiained 
by some text writers, did the mastCT exercise reasonable care in the selec- 
tion of the servant to whom he delegated the duty of selecting and repairipg 
the machinery? Said lyord Citirns, in Wilson v. Merry, L. R. 1 jSc App. 326: 
&quot;But what the master is, in my opinion, bound to his servant to do, in the 
event of his not. personally superintending and directing the virork, is to 
select proper and cpmpeteut persons to do so, and to furnish them with 
adequate materials and resources for the work. When he has done this he 
has, in my opinion, done all that he is bound to do. And if the persons so 
seleijted are guilty of negligence, this is not the negligence of thc master.[' 
If such is the true rule of law, then corporations could seldombe held 
responsible for injuries to employes from detective machinery; and, in the 
Jifnguage of Byles, J., in Olarke v. Holmes, 7 H. &amp; N. 937, &quot; the more a master 
fleglects his business and abandons it to others the less will he be liable.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the bond enforced, would he have gone to those vrhom he is charged 
with compassing to defraud and offered the coveted title upon pay- 
ment of the bond? It would be extremely difficult to reconcile this 
offer with any conspiracy to defraud the complainant or Walker, or 
with any schema to secure the property for Holbrook, or with any 
other purpose save that of judiciously closing up an enterprise which, 
from incurable discord, had to be abandoned as a failure. Holbrook's 
purchase of the additional stock is reconcilable with the same purpose, 
stimulated by a desire, by payment of Hernandez's bond through i lie 
assets of the company, to relieve himself from a loss which he felt the 
fault of others, including complainant, would more justly place upon 
them than him. 
The charter placed the control of the whole business in the hands 
of the directors, and they, by their by-laws, gave the editorial a_id 
business management into the hands of A. M. Holbrook, the presi- 
dent. Though this may have been distasteful to the complainant, 
since done in accordance with the supreme and organio law of the 
corporation, it constituted no good ground of his withdrawal of bis 
aid and co-operation from the joint enterprise. There could be no 
prior understanding between members of a corporation which could 
prevent the supremacy of its charter aa constituting the rule for its 
operations and the law for its members. 
Still, the complainant seems to have been so impressed with the idea 
that the adoption of the by-laws of December 26, 1873, which gave 
the supervision over the editors to the president, was a violation of 
the understanding with which he had entered into the corporation, 
that he states in his testimony that &quot;he felt from that time that he 
could not attend any meeting of the board of directors, or assume any 
connection with the Picayune, without condoning a fraud and jeopard- 
izing my own interest and those of other stockholders of the paper. He 
stood ready to resume his post as managing editor, and never refused 
to perform any duty in that line.&quot; The fact of this position of resist- 
ance to the by-laws upon the part of the complainant is stated by 
nearly all witnesses who testify on the subject. 
Alexander Walker says : &quot;Mr. Hancock never attended any meet- 
ings of directors but one or two, and he retired from the board and 
retired from the establishment, and I never saw him or held any con- 
sultation with him during the year following.&quot; He says, also: &quot;We 
of the Herald Company had been exceedingly dissatisfied with the 
assumption of the entire control of the establishment by Mr. Hol- 
brook.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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tried at the present term, and no trial has been had.&quot; The order of removal 
was made without any prior notice to the attorney for the defendants. ihere 
v;-as a trial term of the state court whleh comraenced the first Monday of May. 
The plaintLff, on the fifteenth of April, placed the cause on the calendar of the 
court for that term. There is nothing to ahow how long that term continued. 
The motions for commissions were adjourned f rom time to time till Septem- 
Ler 5th. A trial term of the state court was held in the month of June, 1881. 
It does not appear that the case was noticed for trial for that term by either 
party. That term commenced June 6th and ended prier to September Ist. 
The defendants move to remand the suit. 
It is plain that the suit was not removed in time. There was 
nothing to interfere with its being tried legally at the June term. 
The notice of motion for a commission and a stay was not a stay. 
The plaintiff was bound to remoye the suit, at least, bef ore the end of 
the June term, if he was to remove it at all. Forrest v. Keeler, 17 
Blatchf. 522. 
The plaintiff contends that the question of time oannot be considered 
in this court, because the state court passed upon it in its order. It 
is true that the state court adjudicated upon it, but it did so ex parte, 
and without a hearing of the defendants. The act of March 3, 1875, 
(18 St. at Large, 470, § 5,) provides that if, in any siiit removed to 
this court, it shall appear to its satisfaction, at any time after the 
suit is removed, that it &quot;does not really and substantially involve a 
dispute or controversy properly within the jurisdiction&quot; of this court, 
this court shall proceed no further therein, but shall remand it to the 
court from which it was removed. This provision has recently been 
construed by the supreme court in Bahbitt v. Clark, 103 U. S, 606, 
610. It is there said by the court that a decision by the circuit 
court that the necessary steps were not taken to remove the case, is a 
decision of the question of its jurisdiction ; and that the question of 
whether a removal was made in time, is a question of jurisdiction. 
In that view, it is for this court to determine its jurisdiction, how- 
ever that question may previously have been decided by the state 
court. 
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It is very elear that the motion must be granted. The defendant 
attended as a party before the examiner. The regularity of the exam- 
ination was recognized by the attendance of the plaintiff, by the 
arrangement he then and there made for future cross-examination by 
. Mr. Clark, and by the antedated written stipulation which Mr. Clark 
signed the next day. The examination was thus made a regular pro- 
ceeding in the suit in Massachusetts. The defendant had a right to 
attend upon it in person, whether he was to be himself examined as a 
witness before Mr. Thompson or not, and he had a right to be pro- 
tected, while attending upon it, from the service of the papers which 
were served in this suit. He attended in good faith, the examination 
waspending and unfinished, and he was served duringthe interval of 
an adjournment. The privilege violated was a privilege of the Mas- 
sachusetts court, and one to be liberally construed for the due admin- 
istration of justice. Juneau Bank v. MeSpedan, 5 Biss. 64 ; Brooks y. 
^armU, 4 Fed. Ebp. 166; Bridges v.Sheldon, 7 Fed. Eep. 17, 42. 
The only objections urged against the motion are technical ones — 
that the written stipulation was not signed till after the service was 
made ; that there was no order as to the examination entered in the 
Massachusetts court ; that no formai written notice of the intended 
examination was served; that the sitting before the examiner was, 
therefore, unauthorized; and that the written stipulation cannot 
have an effect as of a date earlier than November 3d. If these objec- 
tions were allowed to have force, the plaintiff would only be placed 
in the position of having, by the prior verbal arrangements made, 
sanctioned by the subsequent action of himself and his counsel there- 
under, decoyed the defendant to visit New York by deceptive induce- 
ments, and thus the case would be brought within the principle laid 
down in Union Sugar Refinery v. Mathiesson, 2 Cliff. 304, and in 
Steiger v. Bonn, 4 Fed. Eep. 17. The plaintiff and his counsel, by 
what they said and did, represented to the defendant that the proceed- 
ing before Mr. Thompson was' regular and orderly and authorized, 
and induced him to rely on that view. He had a right, as a party 
to the Massachusetts cuit, to attend a regular examination of wit- 
nesseS'in that suit in New York, and to be protected, while so attend- 
ing, from the service of the papers in this suit. The plaintiff is 
estopped frpin raising the objection as to regularity. 
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the act of Congress approved March 3, 1875, and note the differ- 
ence between that act and the first paragraph of section 629 of the 
Revised Statutes, with regard to promissory notes, negotiable by the 
law-merchant, and bills of exchange. But the petition or cross-bill 
in this case alleges in substance that the party plaintiff has been 
collusively made for the purpose of bringing the case within the ju- 
risdiction of this court, and this presents an issue or showing under 
the sixth section of the act of 1875, to which the plaintiff ought te 
reply. 
The demurrers herein filed will be sustained, except so far as the 
issue just referred to is concerned, and that will leave the petition or 
cross-bill substantially a plea to the jurisdiction, on the ground that 
the plaintiff Marvin has been collusively made a party, in order to 
give the court jurisdiction. 
Costa of the demurrer to be paid by the defendant. 
Sioux City &amp; St. Paul E. Co. v. Eice. 
St. Paul &amp; Sioux City E. Co. v. The Samb. 
[Circuit Court, D. Minnesota. November, 1881.) 
1. SwAMP Lands^Aot of Congbess— Wheh to Take Epfbct. 
Title to swamp land was not vested by the act of congress of September 28, 
1850, until the admission of a territory into the Union. Hence, the state of Min- 
nesota not having been admitted into the Union at the date of the passage of 
the act granting lands to the territory or future state of Minnesota for the con- 
struction of railroads, approved March 3, 1S57, a grantee of the state, by virtue 
of the acts of the legislature approved March 8, 1861, and March 4, 1864, has a 
good title as against one whose title depends upon the proper construction of 
the acts of congress approved September 28, 1850, and March 12, 1860. 
E. C. Palmer, for complainant. 
John B. e W. H. Sanborn, for defendant. 
Nelson, D. J. This suit is instituted to establish the superior 
right of the complainants to the land in controversy. The equitable 
title is claimed to be in the complainant and the legal title in the 
defendant. The defendant's title is derived from the state of Min- 
nesota by conveyanoe under the authority of an act of its legislature, 
the land being described a8 swamp, and certified to the state as swamp 
lands belonging to it by virtue of the acts of congress approved Sep- 
tember 28, 1850, and March 12, 1860. The complainant's title is 
claimed to be vested under the act of congress passed March 3, 1857,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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brother or near kin of Alexander Crawford, obtains a judgment against 
Eobert P. Lewis and pretends to docket the same, which judgment was there- 
after, Pebruary 4, 1878, assigned to the defendant Alexander Crawford. Upon 
this judgment the said Alexander Crawford issued execution, which was 
levied on this property in township 29, and the same was sold April 8, 1879, 
he biiying it in for the sum of $1,800. Prior to this sale, however, the said 
Alexander Crawford had due notice of the mortgage claim of plaintiii upon 
this land. Prior to said execution and sale R. P. Lewis commenced proeeed- 
ings in bankruptcy for a discharge from his debts, to-wit, on August 31, 1878; 
bis discharge being granted April 15, 1879, only seven days af ter the sale of said 
property. During the pendency of the proceedings in bankruptcy, and prior 
to the execution and sale, the said Alexander Crawford proved up his entire 
claim in the bankrupt court, without any reference to his lien upon this prop- 
erty, making affldavit that he had no lien upon this or any other property. 
E. Webb, for plaintif. 
B. B. Galusha, for defendant Crawford. 
Nelson, D. J. I have exalniried this case, and find notMng new 
presented -which can reverse the decision already made and set aside 
the order for a deeree. The defendant Crawford proved his debt as 
an unsecured claim, and made aflSdavit to that effect in the form 
prescribed by law. Subsequently he issued execution on the judg- 
ment, pending the bankruptcy proceedings, and attempted to collect 
this claim, which was in judgment and a lien upon real estate at the 
time, as he now insists, when he made and filed his proof. If he 
was a crediter having a lien, by proving his debt secured thereby to 
the full amount he waives his lien, and relinquishes it. Such bas 
been the ruling even in respect to mortgages upon specifie property. 
Before a secured crediter can prove his full claim as an unsecured 
debt he must surrender the security. There is no distinction made 
in the kind of security. 1 B. R. e86, 400, 147; 8 B. E. 241. Craw- 
ford could have refused to prove his debt or appear in the bankruptcy 
court, and looked to the lien which he elaims his judgment gave him ; 
and unless the assignee took action and assumed control of the 
property on which the lien attached, might have subjected it to the 
discharge of his debt. But he did not do this. He aeted upon the 
theory that he could prove his debt as unsecured, and at the same 
time enforce the lien which the judgment gave him. There is no 
support for such a claim. 95 U. S. 764. 
The complainant's equity is superior, and the order for a deeree 
must stand.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The inventer, referring, in his specifications, to the practice of his 
invention, says that he provides any suitable cbill-room or refrigera- 
ting chamber within or through which a carrent of air is produced. 
Such current may be either from the external atmosphere through 
the chill-room and thence ont again, or the room or chamber may be 
closed against access of the external atmosphere, and its contained 
air be caused to pass, over and over again, through a suitable ice-box 
or equivalent means of reducing the temperature thereof ; and this 
causing the air to pass repeatedly through the said ice-box, or the 
like, may be either by a change in the density of the air, as in the 
well-known Lyman refrigerator, or the circulation of the air through 
the ice-box may be produced by means of a fan-blower. 
In the defendant's apparatus, the refrigeration is accomplished by 
a series of pipes arranged around the walls of the refrigerating 
chamber, extending nearly to the ceiling, through which the brine is 
mechanically forced. The air, being chilled by the pipes, flows out 
to the center of the chamber, v/heve it comas in contact with the 
meat, and, being warmed by it, rises and flows to the sides of the box, 
where it is again cooled by the pipes. The meat, covered with bur- 
laps or with cotton goods, like shirting, is exposed to this continu- 
ons current of air. 
It does not require an expert to prove that such a process of cool- 
ing, with such a covering of the meat to be transported, falls within 
the claim of the complainant's patent. 
There must be a decree against the defendants for the infnngement, 
and the usual refer.ence for an account. 
Seldbn and others v. Stockwell Self-Lighting Gas-subnee Co. 
{Circuit Court, S. D. Nm York. September 5, 1881.) 
1. Letteeb Patent— PocKET-LiGHTiNa Device. 
The flrst flve claims of reissue No. 8,490, granted to George Selden, Novem- 
ber 12, 1878, for an improvement in pocket- llghting devices, held to be in- 
fringed by the structure of the defendant, the differences between the two 
structures being merely formai. 
2. SaME— ASSIGNMENIS. 
Section 4895 of the Revised Statutes, which provides that patents may be 
granted and issued or reissued to the assignee of the inventer or discoverer, 
does not require that the assignee shall be the immediate assignee of the in- 
ventor.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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&quot;I claim, as new, the herein-descvibed process of manufacturing middlings 
flour by passing the middlings, after their discbarge from a purifier, through 
or between rolls, and subsequently bolting and grinding the same for the 
purposes set forth.&quot; 
The point is that this is a process patent, as distinguished from a 
patent for a mechanical device. This difference in the law concern- 
ing patents for inventions is one of great moment. If it is a patent 
for a process, the particular mechanical device by which the process 
is worked is not patented ; any machinery or mechanical device for 
exeeuting the patent is not embraced in it. Generally a patent for a 
process, for that reason, is very muoh more valuable than a patent 
for a mechanical device, because whatever way you make any altera- 
tion in the device changes the nature of it, if it be for a combination 
patent ; if you add an element, or omit an element, such patent is 
easily evaded. But not so with the process patent, which has no 
concern with the specifie mechanical devices or contrivances by which 
the process is worked. 
New, Mr. Downton, after securing that patent, and, as shown by 
the proofs, being an intelligent man, and with an ingenious mind, 
also contemplated the procuring at this time of a patent for machin- 
ery for the purpose of working his process ; for instance, this patent 
is to be worked, as it appears, by rolls and rollers, and he contem- 
plated at this time the procuring of a patent for rolls— for a mechan- 
ical device, or machinery to operate his patent, and also for what is 
known as a middlings duster, known as &quot;Downton's Peerless Mid- 
lings Duster.&quot; 
Now, after he had obtained this process patent, and when he had 
these patents for machines in contemplation, he fell in with the firm 
of AUis &amp; Co., of Milwaukee and Chicago, who it seems had a large 
establishment for the manufacture of machines of various kinds. 
Downton having the patents, — that is, having one and contemplating 
getting others, — it was supposed they could make an arrangement to 
act together, (Allis &amp; Co. to manufacture the rolls and duster, and 
avail themselves of Downton'a patent for the right or process,) and 
they made a series of contracts. I will allude to each of them very 
briefly. The only one now material to be considered is the one I first 
read: 
&quot; For and in consideration of the sum of $125, to me in hand paid, I hereby 
sell. assign, and set over to Edward P. Allis &amp; Co., of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 
their successors and assigna, the exclusive right to manufacture and sell rolls 
for crushing grain or middlings, or other substances. No. 162,157, dated Apri]&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/421</title>
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Allia &amp; Co. pending the continuing of the arrangement between them 
and Downton, were put into the mill under that contract which had 
been made by Downton, representing Allis &amp; Co. as well as himself. 
After these had been put in, Allis &amp; Co. failed, and proceedings in 
bankruptcy were commenced against them. That, Downton seemed 
to have conceived, had the effect to end these three contracts between 
himself and Allis &amp; Co., and, at all events, from that time all busi- 
ness relations or connections between them ceased, as it is claimed. 
Allis &amp; Co. were not adjudged bankrupts. They made an agreement 
or composition with their creditors, and proceeded in business. So 
that any rights they had under that contract they still have, Thus, 
the bankruptcy, by reason of ite termination in this manner, ceases 
to be material in ascertaining the relations of the parties. As to the 
special point now under consideration, we assume that the proofs 
show that Yaeger &amp; Co. had notice of the bankruptcy, and that Down- 
ton claimed that he had terminated this arrangement, and that 
Downton insisted that the whole contract between himself and Allis 
&amp; Co. was at an end, and that all rights thereunder had reverted to 
him. After this, and after the alleged notice of the character I have 
described, Allis &amp; Co., claiming that the contract was still in force 
and that they were the assignees of all rights of Downton, continued 
to manufacture these rolls, and the Yaeger Milling Company put in 
several other sets of rolls in their mill. 
Now, this is a bill by Downton, as the holder of the process patent, 
to which I have adverted, against the Yaeger Milling Company for 
mfringement of bis rights under that patent in the use of these rolls,. 
under the circumstances I have stated. This is an outline of the 
case. 
Now, one question, on which we ordered an argument, is whether, 
under these circumstances, whatever may be Downton's rights as 
between himself and the rest of mankind, or as between himself and 
Allis &amp; Co., who are not parties on the record in this suit, as Mr. 
Downton bas never had judicial settlement or adjustment of his 
rights in a direct proceeding with Allis &amp; Co. — whatever might be the 
rights of Mr. Downton as against anybody else — the question is 
whether he was not equitably estopped, as against Yaeger &amp; Co., 
from insisting that they infringed his patent, by reason of the circum- 
stances I have stated. The counsel have been heard on that, and 
we agree (Judge Treat and myself) that so far as the two rolls are 
concerned that were put in by Downton himself during the pendency 
of his relations with Allis &amp; Co., and for which. they paid Allis &amp; Co.,.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/425</title>
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directing him, in case the respondent could not be fouud, to attach 
her goods, etc., to-wit, the steam-tiig Frank Pidgeon, Jr. The return 
of the marshal states that &quot;after diligent search and inquiry he was 
unable to .find the respondent, and that he thereupon, on September 
5th, attached the respondent's right, title, and interest in the steam- 
tug by leaving a copy of the proeeas with the engineer in charge of 
the tug, and showing him the originaL&quot; Upon the return-day the 
respondent appeared specially for the purpose of moving to set aside 
the eerrice of process on the ground that no proper attempt was made 
to find or serve the respondent personally before attaching the tug. 
The matter bas been submitted to my determination' upon the affi- 
davits of the parties, and of the deputy marshal who made the service. 
From these it appears — 
That the respondent is the wife of Francis Pidgeon, of Saiigerties, Ulster 
eounty, Kew York, where she has for many years resided ; that she has been 
owner of the tug since August, 1876, and that the bill of sale of the tug to 
her, registered at the Kew York custom-house, describes her as residing at 
Saugerties; that her husband, who has had the management and control of 
the tug, has for 20 years past had a place of business at Long Island city, and 
has been known to the libellant, who also did business in the saine neighbor- 
hood for about that time; that the libellant knew he resided &quot;up the river 
this side of Albany, but did not know his precise residence;&quot; and that, prier 
to filing the libel, he had reason to believe that the respondent was the wife 
of said Frank Pidgeon, and the libel itself so states ; that the supplies f ur- 
nished by the libellant, for which this suit was brought, were furnished at 
the husband's request; that prior to the attachment the husband had, for 
sorae time, been absent from his place of business at Long Islaud city, and 
was supposed to have become insolvent ; that the libellant's proctor, before 
flling the libel, had consulted the registry at the custom-house, and found 
that the respondent was owner of the tug since Angust, 1876 ; and that the 
marshal, on receiving the process for service, was informed by the libellant's 
proctor that the respondent was believed to be the wife of Francis Pidgeon, 
and that she resided in Saugerties in 1876, but whether she now resided there 
or not he did not know ; that her husband had a place of business at Long 
Island city; that the marshal went to the husband's said place of business, 
did not find him, nor &quot; learn anything of his whereabouts,&quot; either there or 
upon inquiry in the neighborhood ; that he thereupon went to the tug, and, 
without inquiry for the respondent, attached it at once, and was thereupon 
immediately informed by the captain that Mr. Pidgeon was at Saugerties. 
From these f acts it seems evident to me that no bona fide endeavor 
was made by the marshal to serve the respondent personally. Itwas 
sufficiently known to him that she was the wife of Francis Pidgeon, 
and that she resided in Saugerties in August, 1876. The registry so 
Btated, and the libellant's proctor so informed him, and no reason is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/433</title>
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    <id>701825</id>
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shore in a heavy wind and sea; but, aside from this, she incurred no 
additional burdens or responsibilities. She was prosecuting on 
her own part the business for which she was in part designed, and 
was in the ordinary pursuit of her employaient, and she suffered no 
loss or injury in rendering the service; and neither the difficulty nor 
the Personal labors or hazard of the salvors themselves greatly, if at 
all, exceeded those in cases of ordinary towage in rough weather ; 
and other tugs were either near at hand or within a few hours' call. 
Many of the important circumstances, therefore, which often go to 
increase the amount of salvage compensation are either -wholly want- 
&quot; ing in this case or exist in only a comparatively small degree. 
On the other ha,nd, the large number of passengers whose lires 
were involved in thesafety of the vesael is in this case an important 
consideration, although by thc general maritime law, aside from stat- 
ute, the saving of human lif e, disassooiated from the saving of property, 
is not a subject of salvage compensation, but left tO the bounty of 
individuals; yet when connected with the rescue of property it is 
uniformly held to enhance the- meritorious character of the service 
and the consequent remuneration. The Aid, 1 Hagg. 84; The Queen 
Mab, 3 Hagg. 242; 2'he Emhlem, Davis, Eep. 61; The Fusileer, 3 
Moore, P. 0. 51; Marvin on Salvage, § 121. Life salvage is now 
expressly provided for by the British Merchants' Shipping Act of 
1854, §§ 458, 459; but we have no similar statute in this coun- 
try. The weight to be given, however, to this consideration, as in 
considering the risk to the vessel herself, depended largely upon 
the degree and imminence of the danger, the probability of disaa- 
ter if unrelieved, and the opportunities for other means of rescue. 
That the situation of the Plymouth Eock, when disabled by this 
accident, was in general one in which danger was reasonably and 
justly to be apprehended, is sufficiently manifest. But in attempting 
to go beyond that and to determine the precise degree of her danger ; 
whether she would have gone ashore if unrelieved; whether her an- 
chors and chains were insufficient and would have dragged, or how 
much or how rapidly; or whether, in the wind and sea then raging, 
her structure was such as to ensure her riding at anchor safely with- 
out further accident or injury, — much is left to conjecture and un- 
certainty amid the contradictory opinions of the witnesses. It was 
not, however, denied that she was not built for a sea-going steamer, 
nor that her rank for, a sound steamer was very low. If, therefore, 
the conditions of wind and sea were of any great degree of violence&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/443</title>
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defendants to keep their contraot and make the promised voyage. 
The libellants have at least sustained a loss of $2,800 in gains pre- 
vented by this failure of the defendants to keep their contract, and 
in my judgment they are such damages as arise naturally from the 
breach of the contract, and must also be considere d as within the 
contemplation of the parties thereto when they made it; and are, 
tliPrefore, recoverableiii this suit. Hadley v. Baxendale, 9 Bxch. 341 ; 
Griffin y. Golver, 16 N. Y. 489; Ogden v. Marshall, 4 Selden, 340; 
Sedg. Dam. 79. 
The stipulation in the charter that either party shall be liable to 
the other in the penal sum of $2,900 upon a failure to perform any 
part of the agreement, was intended, in contemplation of law, not as 
a measure of damages, but as a penalty, to be enforced only to the 
amount of the actual damages sustained by such failure. Harris v. 
Miller;\}. S. C. 0. Dis. Or., March 8, 1880; Sedg. Dam. 399, 421, 
note 1. But this being a suit, not for the penalty, but upon the 
covenants in the contract for damages for a breach thereof, the 
amount recovered may exceed such penalty. Lowe v. Peers, 4 Burr. 
2225 : Harrison v. Wright, 13 East, 343 ; Winter v. Trimmer, 1 Black, 
395 ; Abb. on Ship. 285 ; Sedg. Dam. 423. 
In their answer the defendants allege that the parties were mutu- 
ally released from the obligation of the charter-party by reason of the 
alleged cancellation of the same by the master and Hop Kee; but it 
not appearing that the latter bad authority to make such cancella- 
tion, that defence is abandoned, and it is now insisted that the con- 
traot to furnish and receive freight and passengers on the G-aribaldi 
at Hong Kong for Portland was a contract so far to be performed in 
the former place, and, being prohibited there, it was invalid, and 
therefore bound neither party to it. But this proposition assumes 
•what is not proven. There is no evidence that it was unlawful to 
carry passengers out of Hong Kong on a suitable vessel — one that 
was &quot;staunch and strong,&quot; and reasonably safe for them to venture 
their lives upon. The defendants expressly covenanted in the charter- 
party that the Garibaldi was such a vessel, and in such condition ; 
and, if they had not, the law would imply a covenant on their part 
that the vessel was &quot;fit&quot; to do what they undertook to do with her — 
carry passengers out of Hong Kong. Maclachlau, L. of M. S. 406; 
The Merrimac, 2 Sawy. 693; Lyon v. Mills, 5 Bast, 428; Stanton v. 
Richardson, 9 G. P. 390 ; 1 Pars. Ship &amp; Adm. 284. Nor was the 
duty and responsibility of the defendants in this respect affected by&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/449</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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answer further their cross-petition was dismissed, with costs. They appealeJ 
to the court of appeals, where, after some delay, it was decided and the judg- 
ment of the lower court was reversed and the cause sent back for further 
prooeeding, in conformity with an opinion then rendered. The mandate of 
the court of appeals was filed in the Louisville chancery court on the- — 
day of May, 1881, and an order entered overruling the demurrer to the answer 
and cross-petition of Norton &amp; Calhoun. Meyer &amp; Hay filed a reply to this 
answer and cross-petition on the day of May, 1881, and Norton &amp; Cal- 
houn filed, on the twenty-first of June, 1881, an amended answer and cross- 
petition, and a rejoinder to the reply. This rejoinder re(iuired a surrejoinder, 
and the amended answer and cross-petition a reply. 
The Code allowed two weeks' time within which Meyer &amp; Hay could 
file their reply and surrejoinder. These pleadings could have been filed 
in the olerk's office with the same effect as in court. Sections 810 and 
811. After the issues are made up, 30 days are allowed within which 
proof may be taken. Section 818. The Louisville chancery court 
took its usual vacation from the day of July, 1881, to Sep- 
tember 23, 1881, as appears from an agreement of facts filed by the 
parties in this court. Meyer &amp; Hay filed their petition in the Louis- 
ville chancery court September 24, 1881, asking a removal of the 
cause to this court, and tendered the proper bond. That court 
accepted the bond, and ordered the cause to be transf erred so far as 
there was a controversy between Meyer &amp; Hay and Norton &amp; Cal- 
houn. This transcript bas been filed in this court, and Norton &amp; 
Calhoun moved to remand the cause to the state court. 
The learned counsel have urged several grounds for this motion, 
but it will only be necessary to notice two of them. The third sec- 
tion of the act of 1875 requires the petition for a removal of a cause 
from a state court to this court shall be &quot;before or at the term at 
which said cause could be first tried, and before the trial thereof.&quot; 
It is insisted that by the rules and practice of the Louisville chancery 
court, that this cause could have been tried upon the issues as now 
formed, or upon issues which should have been joined before the 
twenty-fourth of September, 1881, and hence the petition for removal 
was too late. , 
The construction of this languagein the actof 1875 is not nniform 
in the various circuit courts. It does not, I think, mean the term of 
court when the parties are first ready to try the cause, nor does it 
mean the term of court when the issues are first joined ; but it means 
that term of court at which, by the law and the practice of that court, 
the cause could have been first tried. The cause may not in fact be 
ready for trial, but if, by the law and the practice of the court where&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/451</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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time during the term in which the cause &quot;could be first tried, and 
before the trial thereof.&quot; This right exista during the term of the 
court without regard to the lerigth of the term. Henee, in applying 
the act of 1875 to the Louisville chancery court, if there is any 
period of time which is regarded in the law as equivalent to a term 
of that court, the right to file a petition and have a removal to this 
court should continue during such period. 
The Kentucky Gode (section 772) provides that the Louisville chan- 
cery court &quot;shall have such control over its judgments for 60 days 
as circuit courts have over their judgments during the term in which 
they are rendered.&quot; Litigants may, I think, file their petition for 
removal under the act of 1875, in the Louisville chancery court, 
before the trial of a cause, and within 60 days after the cause is first 
triable by the law and practice of that court. This is a reasonable 
rule, and one -which is clearly within the spirit of the act of 1875; 
and, as the removal in the case under consideration is within that 
time, I conclude the objection urged is not well taken. 
It is also insisted that the judgment of the Louisville chancery 
court sustaining the demurrer to Norton &amp; Calhoun's answer and 
crosB-petition, and dismissing them with costs, was a trial within the 
meaning of the act of 1875, and therefore the petition for removal 
was filed in this case after the first trial, and is too late. A trial is 
defined in the Kentucky Code to be &quot;a judicial examination of the 
issues of law or of facts in an action or proceeding.&quot; Section 311. 
This definition, however is not conclusive upon this court in ascer- 
taining the meaning of the word &quot;trial&quot; as used by congress in the 
act of 1875. The learned chancellor bas, notwithstanding this defi- 
nition, decided in this case that the judgment of the court upon the 
demurrer was not a trial within the meaning of the act of 1875, and 
although that opinion is strong, persuasive evidence of the mean- 
ing of &quot;trial, &quot; it is not authoritative. This court is obliged to decide 
for itself, on this motion, the meaning of &quot;trial&quot; as used in the act of 
1875. 
The act of July 27, 1866, used the words &quot;trial or final hearing,&quot; 
and the act of March 2, 1867, used the words &quot;final hearing or trial,&quot; 
and only required that the petition for removal and bond shall be 
filed before tha,t time. The act of 1875 has dropped the words &quot;final&quot; 
and &quot;hearing.&quot; &quot;Trial,&quot; in this act, (1875,) must include a &quot;hearing,&quot; 
as used in the equity practice. The trial, as expressed in this act, 
may or may not be in fact a &quot;final trial, &quot; but to be a trial it must be 
such a proceeding as may give the court where it is the right to&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/465</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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figure in this cq,se. Nearly every patented device, in order to apply 
it or make it operative, requires the use, in connection with what is cov- 
ered by the patent, of something which is old, as in this case. Some- 
ihing to attach the yoke or bailitu the,neok of the bottle isnecessary, 
and the proof shows the complainant and defendant both made these 
fasteners complete, -with the wire collar or band to go around the neck 
of the bottle, so that it could be applied ready for use by merely 
closing : the collar around the neck. In manufacturing his fasteners 
thus ready for use, complainant made the profit found by the mas- 
ter, and it is no answer to eomplainant's claim for damages that 
every operative part of his fastener was not covered by his patent. 
He madethem according to his patent, and sold them. The defend- 
ant, jnstead of buying from complainant, made his own fasteners in 
complete similitude of eomplainant's patent, and thereby damaged 
the complainant. 
, In other words, the complainant, by making fasteners complete for 
use under his patent, made a profit, and the defendant, by wrong- 
fully using eomplainant's patent, deprived him of a portion of the 
profits which he would otherwise have made. 
The exceptions are overruled, the report of the master confirmed, 
and a decree will be entered fixing the eomplainant's damages at 
$8,585.11, to be paid with interest from the date of the report. 
Edgarton and others v. Fuest &amp; Beadley Mandf'g Co. and 
others. 
{Ctrenit Court, N. T&gt;. Illinois. July 19, 1881.) 
1. Lettbbs Patent— Hoksk Hat-Rakes. 
Lettei's patent granted to Geotge Whitcomb, October 5, 1858, for an improve- 
ment, in liorse laaj'-rakes, are invalid beeausethe improvement was in public 
use more than two years prier to the application for a patent. 
2. COMITT. 
Circuit courts will follow the decisions in other circuits, only where the same 
questions were raised on substantially the same evidence. 
3. PisclAimbr— Reibsueb. .; .. ', 
A patentee eannot claim in a reissue what he disclaimed in the original. 
4. Glaims— VoiD FOB Uncbrtainty. „ 
Claims must be certam. Thercfore, the claim for the arrangement ot the 
rake-head, E, and foot-treadle«, H J and G K, or either, in relation to each 
other, and the axle, B, substantially as and for the purpose described, is void 
for uncertainty, because it does not appear whether the patentee intended to 
cover, by this claim, the two treadles working together for their diiierent pur- 
poses, or whether he intended to cover each one as a separate deviee.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/469</title>
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So, too, in the bottle-stopper caae, lately before Jndge Sliipraan, 
(Patnam\. Tinkham, 4 Fed. Eep. 411,) the learned judge says: 
&quot;The claim is as follows : 'The internally located bottle stopper, B, pro- 
vided with a hinged or jointed handle or bail, G, composed of two elastic legs 
or branches, and an eye or finger loop, as and for the purpose set forth.' Ile 
virtually disclaims rigid handles, and says that his Invention is designed to 
avoid sueh a method of construction. It is useless to say that by a rigid 
handle he merely meant a bail without spring action, for the entire paragraph 
shows that he also meant a handle so jointed or hinged to the stopper that it 
could be tumed away from the mouth of the bottle. He intended to point 
out that his handle or bail was both hinged to the stopper and had elastic legs. 
The reissue covers a device in which the bail is attached to the stopper in 
any manner. The hinged construction is briefly alluded to as one which ac- 
complishes a certain resuit. * * * In the original patent the patentee 
informed the public, with precision, and after deliberation, that his invention 
was an improvement upoii a rigid handle, and limited himself to a hinged or 
jointed handle. It has now become important for the plaintiff to possess 
himself of the teiTitory which his assigner attempted to occupy, but abiin- 
doned, and the ownership of which he virtually disclaimed. A comparison 
of the two patents shows -that the case is clearly within the principles which 
have been recently and frequently anuounced by the supreme court as appli- 
cable to reissues. The reissue is void because it is on its face for a different 
invention from that which was embraced in the original patent. Russell v. 
Dodge, 93 U. S. 460; Ry. Co. v. Sayles, 97 U. S. 554; Powder Co. v. Powder 
Works, 98 U. S. 126; Leggett v. Avery, 17 0. G. 445.&quot; 
These authorities seem to fully meet this case, and I can put no 
other construction upon them than that this claim is void by reason 
of the original disclaimer. This patentee had no right, after having 
stated positively to the world and to the patent-office that he did not 
claim the idea of mounting the rake-head upon the top of the car- 
riage, by a reissue, to claim this as an element of invention by him- 
self. But if there is room for doubt as to the soundness of this 
position, I am also clear that the defendant does not infringe this 
claim. The claim is for the combination, etc., whereby the head is 
supported above the rear upper edge of the axle, as shown. The 
defendant's rake-head is suspeuded behind or in the rear of the axle 
by brackets, hung, so to speak, behind the axle, instead of being sup- 
ported above the axle. 
In Edgarton v. Breck Judge Lowell says : 
&quot; The difflculty with the second claim of the reissue, as applied to this case, 
is that the patentee has seen fit, for some reason, to describe his rake-head as 
supported above the upper edge of the axle, and the defendant's rake-head is 
on a line with the axle. It may be that this limitation is unnecessary, but it 
is found in the second claim, and I do not feel at liberty to disregard it.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/475</title>
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Maxhbimer V, Meyee and another. 
(Circuit Court, S. B. New York. October 6, 1881.) 
1. Lettbbb Patent— Joindeb of Inventions. 
The joinder of separate inventions for the accomplishment of a single resuit 
in the same patent does net thereby invalidate it. 
2. Same— BiBD Cagbb. 
Letters patent Nos. 162,400 and 218,758, granted April20, 1875, and August 
19, 1879, for improvements in bird cages, the resuit being a cage in which the 
cross-bands are hollow wires with holes, through which the upright wires are 
placed, and which are held in place on the upright wires by short bends in the 
iatter, which are brought within the bands, which are then flattened, are in- 
fringed by a cage of similar construction, except that the bends extend la the 
direction of the axis of the bands, insiead of radially. 
In Equity. 
Arthur v. Briesen, for complainant. 
J. Van Santvoord, for defendants. 
Wheeleb, D. J, This suit rests upon two patents granted to the 
orator for improvements i x bird cages, — the iit-st, numbered 162,400, 
dated April 20, 1875, for a cage in which the horizontal bands are 
solid wires, with holes, through which the upright wires are placed, 
and which are held in place on the upright wires by short bends in 
the Iatter, forming shoulders above and below the horizontal wires, 
without solder or other fastening; the second, numbered 218,758, 
dated August 19, 1879, after an interference between him and Mi- 
chael Grebner, who prosecuted it at the instance and expense of the 
defendants, is for a cage in which the horizontal bands are hollow 
wires, through which the vertical wires pass, with short bends in 
them within the hollow of the horizontal wire, which is flattened so 
as to lock them together. The defendants deny the novelty of the 
second patent, and infringement of either. The plaintiff insista 
that they are concluded as to the novelty of the second patent by the 
decision in his favor against them in the interference proceedings. 
The defendants make andsell cages having vertical wires with bends 
in the hollow of horizontal bands, locked by flattening the Iatter, like 
the plaintiff's, except that the bends extend in the direction of the 
axis of the bands, instead of radially, whereby the band can be flat- 
tened more perfectly. 
Itdoes not appear from any of the evidelice that any cages had 
ever been constructed before the plaintiff's invention described in his 
first patent, in which the upright wires and cross-band had been held 
together by their own conformation, without the aid of solder or some&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/483</title>
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The FEEBEBr. 
{District Court, E. D. New York. November 19, 1881.) 
1. CoNVEneioN— JuKiSDicTiosr op THE DrsiuicT Court. 
Wheregoods, that had been sold to be paid for on delivery, were shipped in 
the name of the vendors, a shipping receipt given to them, and a bill of lading 
subsequent!/ given to the vendee, who then absconded, held, tiiat upon the 
refusai of the master to give the vendors a bill of lading, they could recover 
against the vessel the value of the goods without a demand ; and that, as the 
vessel was in navigable waters, the tort vras maritime iu its character, for which 
an action could be brought in the district court. 
W. W. Goodrich, for libellants. 
L. Ullo, for claimant. 
Benedict, D. J. The facts in this case are as follows : 
In September last one Theodore Michel agreed, through a broker, to pur- 
chase of the libellants 167 barrels of resin, the resin to be shipped on the bark 
Ferreri in the name of the libellants, they to take the ship's receipt and de- 
liver the same to Michel upon his paying for the goods. Accordingly, the 
libellants directed Johnson &amp; Hammond, the keepers of a yard where the 
libellants had resin stored, to deliver 167 barrels of resin to the bark Ferreri 
on their account. Johnson &amp; Hammond sent the goods to the bark, where 
they were received by the mate, who gave in return a shipping receipt stating 
the receipt of the goods in question in good order from Johnson &amp; Hammond 
on board the bark Ferreri for account of Tolar &amp; Hart. After the goods had 
thus been placed on board the bark, Michel, who Was agent for the bark in 
this port, procured the master to issue to him, as shipper, a bill of lading for 
the goods so delivered, and then absconded without paying the libellants for 
them, although payment had been demanded, accompanied by a tender of the 
shipping receipt. After the departure of Michel, Tolar &amp; Hart demanded 
of the master that he issue to them a bill of lading for the goods iii question, 
a&lt;3companying the same with a tender of the shipping receipt. The master 
refused, upon the ground that he had already issued a bill of lading for the 
goods to Michel, whereupon iolar &amp; Hart libelled the vessel. 
Upon these facts it is plain to be seen that Tolar &amp; Hart had no 
intention to part with their goods until the same were paid for. This 
intention they carried into eiiect by causing the goods to be placed 
on board the vessel in their name, and by taking the shipping receipt 
for the goods as received by the vessel on their acconnt. The deliv- 
ery of such a receipt to Tolar &amp; Hart bound the ship-master to exe- 
cute or withhold the bill of lading according to their direction, and 
left the title to the property unchanged. Brown v. Peabody, 3 Kern. 
121. When, therefore, after Michel had absconded, the master re- 
fused to issue a bill of lading for the goods to Tolar &amp; Hart, assign-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/489</title>
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hatches opposite the pile corresporiding to that left on board, and 
then unloaded the balance. This mode of unloading was evideutly 
adopted without regard to the interests or rights of the vessel, and 
solely because it suited the purpose of the consignees. The vessel 
had the right, under the law and her charter, to quick dispatch, and 
this was not given her. 
My conclusion, then, is that the consignees had the right to take 24 
hours, excluding Sunday, in which to furnish a dock and begin un- 
loading, and as the Gook arrived Saturday morning, they were not 
obliged to begin unloading until Monday morning, so there is no 
ground for complaint against the respondents for not beginning to 
iinload earlier than Monday morning. But I further find from the 
proof that there was an unreasonable delay of two days after the 
unloading commenced, for which the libellants should be compen- 
sated; and, from the proof in the case, I fix the rate of compensation 
at $60 a day. There will, therefore, be a decree in favor of the libel- 
lants for $120, and the costs of the case. 
The Waltee M. Fleming. 
(District Court, E. D. New York. September 28, 1881.) 
1. Equitt— Djelat. 
Delay defeata equity. So Tida, where one slept on his rights for seven years, 
and then invoked the aid of the court against a purchaser for value who had 
been in possession of the property for nearly that length of time with the 
knowledge of the libellant, and without objection on his part. 
Jj. E. Stegman and E. G. Davis, for libellant, 
Benedict, Taft d Benedict, for respondent. 
Benbdict, D. J. The libel in this case, by reason of its curions 
and uncertain averments, presents questions that I pass over to deter- 
mine the question raised by the evidence ; namely, whether, upon 
the facts proved, a case is made calling for the interposition of this 
court to take the possession of the canal-boat Walter M. Fleming 
from Cornelius Vanolinda, who now bas the same, and give it to the 
libellant. 
The facts are largely in dispute, according to the libellant's testi- 
mony. He being the owner and in possession of this boat in July, 
1874, at Eochester, New York, made an agreement with one Charles 
Vanolinda to sell the boat for a certain sum — $150 down, and the bal- 
ance within 30 days. The $150 was then paid by the buyer, and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/493</title>
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no definite rule. It may be by a ratable portion of the value of the 
property saved, or it may be a sum in gross. The value of the 
property at the time is not fixed by the agreement. It is agreed 
that the boat cost $4,000 and the repairs $2,000; that she was 
insured for $5,000; and that recently, in negotiations for her pur- 
chase, claimanta held her at $12,000; but what changes had been 
made in the value does not appear, or whether the boat was in fact 
worth that sum is not stated. It is agreed that the costs and repairs 
up to that time amounted to $6,000, and it is the value at that time 
and not subsequently that must be taken as a basis, if value is 
considered. It seems to me that, whether the amount be considered 
in gross or ratably according to value, $500 is .a fair compensation 
to libellant foi his services, The service was not long, nor is it 
claimed that there was much hazard. Libellant was the discoverer 
of the fire and mainly instrumental in the rescue. He is therefore 
entitled to a greater compensation than Stricker, who came to his 
aid. The watohman, whose dereliction of duty caused the danger, 
can claim nothing. 
Libellant will be allowed the sum of $500 and fuil costs, for which 
let a decree be entered. 
Beo same case on appeal, infra. 
The Old Natchez. 
(Circuit Court, S, D. Mississippi. 1881.) 
Decision of the district court, ante, 476, afflrmed. 
In Admiralty. On appeal. 
Paedeb, g. J, In the summer of 1879 the steam-boat Natchez 
■was taken to Cincinnati, Ohio, and dismantled, and stripped of her 
boilers, engines, and paddle-wheels. Her cabin was stripped of its 
furniture, her smoke-stacks were taken down, and everything that 
could be made available in the construction of a new steam-boat was 
taken off. There remained of the old boat the hull, the cabin, the 
texas, the hog-ohains, running from stem to stern, the fore and aft 
capstans, the stair steps leading from the lower to the boiler decks, 
her boiler deck, and hurricane roof. She was without motive power 
of anykind, and remained moored at Cincinnati until the fall of 1880, 
when she was purchased by the Vicksburgh Wharf &amp; Land Company, 
and then towed to Vicksburgh, in this state, and moored to a landing&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/509</title>
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The assignee in bankruptcy was chosen on Mardi 25, 1875. On 
the nineteenth day of April, 1875, he applied to this court for an 
order upon the sheriff to show cause why the balance of $611.39 
should not be paid to him as assignee. the order was refused by 
Judge Blatchford, who indorsed upon the papers that the relief mnst 
be obtained by plenary suit. The money in the sheriff's hands stands 
in the place of goods which were already subject to the lien of the 
judgment at the time of the commencement of the proceedings in 
bankruptcy. If the judgment was collusive, and designed to give a 
fraudulent preference, as alleged, it was voidable at the suit of the 
assignee. Such a suit by him to displace the apparent legal lien of 
the judgment, and to recover the property for the use of the general 
creditors, would be within section 5057 of the Revised Statutes, 
because against a person claiming an adverse interest touching rights 
of, property transferable to or vested in the assignee. Had the 
assignee possessed himself of the goods or the proceeds, notwithstand- 
ing this lien, the judgment creditor must have been limited to two 
years in which to assert his right to the goods; and the assignee 
must be held limited to a like period from the time of his discovery 
of the fraud or illegality. Bailey v. Olover, 21 Wall. 342. 
The papers on file, referred to on this motion, show that in April, 
1876, the assignee, in his original application for the balance of the 
money, waa apprised of the alleged collusion and fraudulent charac- 
ter of the judgment. The affidavit of Clark, the attorney of the peti- 
tioning creditors, not only stated the fact, but gave some evidence of 
it. No suit, however, bas ever been commenced to assaii the legal 
lien of this judgment. More than six years have elapsed since the 
charge of its fraudulent cbaracter was made by the assignee, and since 
he was apprised by the court that it could be assailed only by ple- 
nary suit. The assignee bas appeared in opposition to this motion, 
but there is no evidence that he is any better prepared to commence 
such a suit now than he was six years ago, or is even proposing to 
recover this money. No reason appears why such suit should not 
have been commenced long ago, if it was desired or intended to contest 
the lien of this judgment, except, possibly, the assignee's want of the 
necessary funds to do so, which it must be assumed the creditors were 
not willing to advance. This cannot extend the statute of limitations. 
The object of the statute was to secure the speedy liquidation of bank- 
rupts' estates; The ; injunction of December 8, 1874, was not an 
injunction upon the assignee's proceedings, but was for the benefit of 
the assignee to be thereafter chosen. He bas not availed himself of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/521</title>
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It is insisted by the complainants : 
(1) That their proofs in the present case show the falsity ot the testimony 
on which it is attempted to establish the existence of the Pernot machine, or, 
at least, that part of it embracing the mechanism which anticipates the Spiinœ 
patent anterior to the date of the complainants' invention. (2) That, eveu if 
its prier existence is admitted, the mechanism is not an anticipation of the 
specifications and claims of the Spring patent. 
1. As to the first point, respecting the actual existence of the Per- 
not machine, it is a well-settled principle that the burden of proof is 
on the defendant. Pernot, the alleged inventor, testifies that he com- 
pleted and used it as early as the year 1853, for turning needlea, and 
that it was substantially in the same condition and contained the 
same mechanism for curving the shoulders and sharpening the points 
of the needles at the time of his examination as a witness in this case, 
as when it was iinished in 1853. 
The claim of the Spring patent. is for the combination of a griping 
chuck, by which an article can be so held by one end as to present 
the other free to be operated upon with a rest preceding the cutting tool, 
when it is combined with a guide-cam or its equivalent, which modi- 
fies the movement of the cutting tool, all operating together for the 
purpose set forth. The distinguishing features of the patent are th&amp; 
cams or formera for turning the curved shoulders and the points of 
the sewing-machine needles. 
The patentees, in their specifications, state that the pattern, e\ which 
is adjustable by means of the set-screw, n',is pivoted in q, and serves to 
shape the shank, while the pattern, o', which is adjustable along the 
length of q, as well as outward from it, serves to form and shape the 
point. 
Is there any mechanism found in the Pernot machine which pro- 
duces either of these resulta, and if so, at what time do the proofs 
show that it was first attached ? The curved or rounded shoulder to 
a needle made in this machine, is, doubtless, formed by the wedge, a, 
which operates to draw back the knife as it approaches the griping 
chuck; and Pernot, in his examination, atatcs that although he never 
pointed the needles in the practical use of his lathe, the mechanism 
was capable of such adjustment that the points could be readily 
turned. 
We are then brought to the inquiry, whether the wedge, a, and the 
bar, b, were in the Pernot lathe prior to the Spring invention in 
j.857 ? The first witness upon this point is the complainants' expert, 
Hoadley. He considers the wedge, a, and the bar, b, an evident&lt;noinclude&gt;
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one term in the me'aning of the act. If, howover, -we are to give any 
efiect to the words &quot;or extended,&quot; in this enactment, it must be that 
the term for which the letters patent shall be granted originally, and 
the term for which the letters patent is extended, are two distinct 
terms. Instead of construing this clause as if it read &quot;all actions 
shall be brought during the term of the monopoly, or within six years 
after the expiration thereof,&quot; it should be construed as if it read, 
&quot;all actions shall be brought during the term for which letters patent 
shall be granted, or during .the term for which letters patent shall be 
extended, or within six years after the expiration thereof;&quot; &quot;thereof&quot; 
referring to the original or extended term, as the case may be. 
It is not true that letters patent run for only one term when the 
patent is extended. In such a case there are two terms, — the origi- 
nal term and the extended term, — and, though the law provides that 
when a patent is extended it shall have the same effect in law as 
though it had been originally granted for 21 years, that does not 
change this fact, nor does it change, the fact that the original term 
was for 14 years, and not 21 yeats. The act does not provide that 
the two terms shall be considered as one term in law, but simply 
provides that the extension of a patent shall have the mine effect in 
law as though it had been originally granted for 21 years. I think 
congress has, in the clause under consideration, olearly recognized 
that an extended term and the original term of letters patent are 
distinct terms. 
An extended term of letters patent oan have the same effect in law 
as though it had been granted for 21 years, in the granting of a 
monopoly, without extending the time of the bar of the statute of 
limitation on existing causes of action. The patent right is quite 
distinct from the causes of action which a patentee may have for its 
infringement, and beeause a patent right may be extended it does 
not follow that the time within which such causes of action should 
be brought should also be extended. If we are not correct in our 
construction of this act, then congress has given the commissioner of 
patents the power to extend, in his discretion, the time in which the 
statute of limitation bars existing causes of action. This would be 
an extraordinary delegation of authority, and one which the courts 
should hesitate to recognize unless the legislative will was clearly 
expressed, 
There is some conflict in the decision as to the proper construction 
of this clause of the act of 1870, but the weight of authority sustains&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/537</title>
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(3) That construction oluims are not maritime contracts, and the liens given 
therefor bythestate law must be postponed to liens on maritime contracta, 
which attach by either the general admiralty law or by the law of the state. A 
State law cannot confer jurisUiction on a court of admiralty by attacliiiig a lien 
to a non-maritime con tract. Admiralty will enforce only such statu liens as 
are given on maritime contracts, 
(4) That the claim of the owner.of the boat, for an allowance in lieu of a 
homestead, cannot prevail against liens by either the admiralty law or atate 
statuts. 
(5) That the lien given by section 5580, Rev. St. of Ohio, is a lien created by 
the express terms of the slatute, and requires for its perfection none of the 
proceedings provided in case of raechanics' liens. 
(6) That borrowed money is to be placed on the same footing as the purpose 
for which it was borrowed. Where the latter is of a maritime character, and 
has a lien attached thereto, whether by the general or the local law, the money 
advanced to meet it has a lien of equal dignity. 
(7) That in the distribution of the f und now in court such claims as are mari- 
time in their nature and subject-matter, and for which the state law gives s 
lien,, including insurance, supplies and repairs fumished in the home port are 
placed on an equality with the liens given by the general admiralty law for 
foreign supplies and repairs. 
Following Baxter, 0. S., in Tha General Burneide, 3 Fbd. Rep. 233. 
(8) That' after paying the costs in this case the fund shall be distril)utBd as 
follows: (1) Seamen's wages ; (2) foreign and home supplies, repairs, in.furan,ce ; 
(3| building olaims ; (4) mortgage claims ; (5) claims for borrowed money to 
which no liens attach. 
In Admiralty. 
The facts in this case, briefly stafced, are as follows: The stearaboat Guid- 
ing Star was built in the sunimer of 1878 at the port of Cincinnati, entirely 
on credit, by Capt. W. B. Miller, who contiuued to be her sole owuer and nuis- 
ter up to the date of her seizure, in June, 1881. The claims filod against her 
are as follows: For foreign supplies and repairs, $17,393.33; for home sup- 
plies and repairs, $14,113.63; for insuranoe premlums, $3,080; for construc- 
tion claims, $14,684.95; mortgage, $6,000 ; borrowed money, $22,380.64; allow- 
ance in lieu of a homestead, $500. The borrowed money is classiflable as 
folio ws: $229 to pay seamen's wages ; $11,029.71 advanced towards building 
the boat; and $11,051.93 to meet the general indebtedness of the boat as the 
same accrued, including supplies, witges, insurance premiums, and payments 
on notes given for the building of the boat. Ail the notes, including those 
given on construction claims, were drawn up in the name of the boat and her 
owner. No dispute whatever existed as to the correctness of any of tiie 
claims. The total indebtedness of the boat at the time of her seizure was 
$76,652.52. The sum realized on her sale was $38,310, and the real q,uestiou 
for the court to decide was, how should the fund be distributed? 
Mnulton, Johnson e Levy and FF. H. Jones, for libellants and sun- 
dry intervenors. 
Lincoln, Stevens e Slattery, Perry a Jenny, C. K. Shunk, Follett, 
Heyjnan &lt;&amp; Dawsoii, and Yaple, Moos e Pattison, for other interven- 
ors.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/539</title>
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they first arise upon the question whether the claims for insurance 
should be included as one of the contracts of a maritime character 
for which state law gives a lien. That the contraot of insurance is a 
maritime contract is settled by the decision of the supreme court in 
the case of Ins. Co. v. Dtiiiham, 11 Wall. 1. 
2. Whether the claim for materials and labor in the building of a 
boat is a maritime contract. That such a claim is not a maritime 
contract is also settled by the decision of the supreme court in 
Edwards v. Elliot, 21 Wall. 532, and the authorities there cited. 
3. The mortgage must be postponed to the lien given by the 
general admiralty law for supplies and repairs. The Emily Souder, 
17 Wall. 666. Now, if the lien created by the statute of the state 
for these claims, when furniahed in the home port, is of equal dignity 
with liens given by the general admiralty law, it follows that the 
mortgage must be postponed to them also. Aside from this reason- 
ing the weight of authority would seem in favor of the priority of 
liens for home supplies to that of a mortgage. The William T. 
Graves, 8 Ben, 568; The Favorill, 3 Sawy. 405; The St. Joseph, 
Brown, Adm. 202; The Bradish Johnson, 10 Chi. Leg. N, 353; The 
Kiarsage, 2 Cur. 421 ; The Granite State, 1 Spr. 277. 
4. The mortgage must be postponed to the lien given by the state 
statute for materials and labor in the building of the boat. This 
lien existed when the mortgage was given, and the latter must there- 
fore be subject to it. Jones v. The Commerce, 14 Ohio, 409; Provost 
V. WUcox, 17 Ohio, 359; Johnson v. Ward, 27 Ohio Bt. 520; Steamer 
Monarch v. Marine liy. Co. 7 Ohio St. 478. 
5. The mortgage not being an admiralty contract, nor having an 
admiralty lieu, can only be treated as a legal lien. Bogart v. Steam- 
boat John Jay, 17 How. 399; The Emily Souder, 17 Wall. 666; The 
Lottawanna, 21 Wall. 558. 
6. The claim on the part of the owner of the boat for an allowance 
of $.500 in lieu of a homestead eannot prevail against liens which 
exist by virtue of the general admiralty law, nor against those created 
by the state statute. Johnson v. Ward, 27 Ohio St. 520. 
7. The lien given by section 5880 of the Laws of Ohio is a lien 
created by the express terms of the statute, and requii'es for its 
perfection none of the proceedings as provided for in the mechanics' 
lien law of the state. Johnson v. Ward, supra. 
8. In reply to the proposition that as the state statute, which 
creates liens, maires no distinction between liens upou contracts which&lt;noinclude&gt;
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before they shall be compelled to perform the duties required of them,&quot; 
and authorizes the court &quot;to order the whole or such portion of the 
fees and costs in each oase to be paid ont of the fund in court, in 
such case, as shall seem just;&quot; and section 5101 provides that the 
fees and costs of the several proceedings in bankruptcy shall be first 
paid in full out of the estate. Under these provisions this court bas 
been accustomed to. order reimbursement of the legal fees, and dis- 
bursements of the ofScers necessarily advanced by or on account of 
the bankrupt for the ordinary proceedings in bankruptcy, including 
proceedings for a discharge. In re Olds, 4 N. B. E. 146 ; In re Heirsch- 
herg, 2 Ben. 466; 1 N. B. E. 642. But this bas been done upon the 
petition of some other person tban the bankrupt, who bas thus 
advanced the necessary fees; or, if done upon the bankrupt's own 
petitioB, bas referred to advances presumably made by the bankrupt, 
not out of bis own estate, which lawfullygoes to bis assignee, but out 
of means subsequently acquired or procured from other sources. 
Eule 29 expressly declares that &quot;funds deposited with the register, 
marshal, or clerk shall, in all cases where they corne out of the bank- 
rupt's estate, be considered as a part of such estate.&quot; The item of 
$50 now asked to be reimbursed to the bankrupt was such a deposit 
with the clerk ; and, if it cornes out of the bankrupt's estate, it formed 
a part of that estate to which the bankrupt cannot have any claina 
wbatever. Anon. 1 N. B. E. 122. The deposit in thia case was made 
very shortly afterthe filing of the voluntary petition. There is noth- 
ing in the petition to indicate, nor is there any presumptiou, that this 
deposit did not come out of the bankrupt's estate. If, in fact, it was 
procured from other sources, the bankrupt is entitled to have it 
restored to him ; otherwise, not. If the parties cannot agree upon 
the facts in reference to that point, a reference to the register in 
charge may be had to ascertain and report the facts in that regard.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/567</title>
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mode of preserving meat pointed out in the patent of William J. Wil- 
son uniess it is in putting the meat while warm with cooking into the 
box or case. Can that be said to be patentable as a part of the mode 
of preserving meat, even if it be conceded it had never been doue 
before? We think net. No more than if, prier to the date of the 
William J. Wilson patent, in order to preserve meat, it had never 
been put into a can or case thoroughly cooked. Neither of them 
seems to require ingenuity or the exercise of the inventive faculty. 
It is manifest, when we consider what was known at the date of the 
William J. Wilson patent, that these or other methods could be 
adopted of putting the meat into the case or can for preservation 
without encroaching upon the domain of the invention of any one. 
There can be no doubt that, within a few years past, the metnod of 
preserving meat adopted by William J. Wilson has caused the article 
to be extensively used and sold in the marketsof this and other coun- 
triea. That argument has been pressed with great force upon the 
court in this case. 
It may be admitted that, in all doubtful cases involving the validity 
of a patent, the fact that a mode described in the patent has gone 
into extensive use has and often will induce courts to decide in favor 
of the patent. But, while this is so, courts ought not, merely because 
of such use, to sustain a patent. The rights of the public are to be 
protected as well as those of individuals, and a monopoly should not 
be allowed uniess the right to it is clearly shown. But the true ex- 
planation of the success which has attended this and similar modes 
of preserving meat may be in the fact that there has been a tendency 
in the public of late years to use all kinds of canned meats and fruits 
to a much greater extent than formerly, owing to the increased care 
and skill in their preparation and packing ; and we think all William 
J. Wilson and those, who act under him can claim is, that they have 
been particalarly careful in selecting, preparng, seasoning, cook- 
ing, and canning their meat, by which it has acquired a high rep- 
utation ; and upon that, in our opinion, they must rely, and not upon 
a monopoly under the patent law. 
The John A. Wilson patent, of October 23, 1877, reissue No. 7,923, 
is for &quot;an improvement in metallic cases for containing cooked meats, 
* * *&quot; and, as he describes it, — 
&quot; Consists in a pyramidal-shaped can, having rounded corners and both ends 
slightly flaring, to form shoulders, against which the head or end pieces rest. 
* * * A represents the body of my can made in the form of a truncated 
pyramid, with rounded corners, and of any desired number of sides, though I&lt;noinclude&gt;
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any conduct on her part insinuated, that the invention was in any 
degree her own, but allowed these men to invest their money in the 
procurement of the patent, and Clark pay for the unsold half of the 
patent, upon the understanding — to which she seems to have been as 
fully a party as her husband — that he was the inventor of the duster 
to be covered by the patent. It seems to me that the proof shows 
that Mrs. Hibbard, in allowing her husband to deal &quot;with Curwin, 
Sauter, and Clark as the original and first inventor of this devioe, has 
80 far conceded or admitted him to be the original inventor thereof 
as that she should be estopped from now claimingotherwise, and 
especially claiming that she, and not her husband, was the inventor. 
If there were no other features in the case, therefore, than the con- 
duct of Mrs. Hibbard towards the persons with whom her husband 
dealt, I should think it enough to cancel this patent as against the 
patent previously issued to him. 
But the case is, perhaps, susceptible of solution upon another 
ground. It appears from the proof that George W. Hibbard, for 
some time prior to the alleged invention described in his patent, had 
been engaged in the manufacture of dusters from turkey feathers, by 
setting them in their natural condition into a handle so as to make a 
brush or duster; that some little time prior to the tenth of February, 
1874, he conceived the idea of making a better duster by softening 
the stems of turkey feathers and rendering them more pliable, so as 
to make a feather duster which would supersede or take the place of 
dusters ihen and theretofore made from ostrich feathers, — his idea 
being that, if he could make turkey feathers, or the feathers of our 
common fowls, pliable, he could use them in place of foreign feathers, 
and make as good, if not a better, duster. He experimented some 
time in this direction, with chemicals, for the purpose of softening 
the stem or rib of these feathers, and not succeeding to his satisfac- 
tion in any of these experiments, was discussing the subject on one 
occasion with his wife, when she suggested to try cutting or shaving 
down the stem of the feathers, so as to make them pliable and 
limber. The suggestion was at once acted upon, and a duster made 
which proved satisfactory, and the patent issued to his assignees was 
obtained for this device as the invention of George W. Hibbard. 
Mrs. Hibbard's sole claim to the invention covered by her patent, 
which is the same as that covered by the patent of her husband, is 
that the suggestion or idea of cutting or trimming these feathers 
down, 80 as to make them limber, first came from her, and upon this 
fact she elaimed and obtained the patent in eontroversy.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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facts, it is a close question whether the lien lias been waived or not. 
I confess to a serious doubt on the subject. But, remembering that 
a court of admiralty is the &quot;ehancery of the seas,&quot; and that the 
libellants have a strong equitable claim upon the forfeited goods for 
f reight, in view of the fact that the transportation added considerably 
to their value here, I incline to the opinion that the intent of the own- 
ers was to discharge the cargo, and not to deliver it, and that the lien 
for the costs of transportation has not been waived. I am strength- 
ened in this opinion by the additional facts that the bills of lading 
have never been surrendered, and no receipt given to the steam-ship 
for the ore, as is cnstomary in such cases, after delivery. 
2. The ore has been forfeited under sections 2839, 286e, of the Ee- 
vised Statutes. Does such forfeiture carry with it the lienor's interest 
in the oondemned merchandise ? Some discussion took place between 
the respective counsel, at the hearing, in regard to the effect which the 
recent legislation of congress had upon this question. By the third 
section of the aet of March 2, 1867, (section 2981, Eev. St.,) the col- 
lector, or other ohief officer of the customs, is authorized, on being 
notified in writing, by the owner or consignee of any vessel, of a lien 
for freight on any merchandise imported in such vessel, to refuse the 
delivery of the same from any publia or bonded warehouse, or other 
place, in which the same shall be deposited, until proof to his satis- 
faction shall be produced that the freight has been paid or secured. 
The provisions of this section were modifled by a substitute passed 
June 10, 1880, (Supp. to Eev. St. vol. 1, p. 547,) in which the proper 
officer of the customs, on receiving the said notice of lien for freight, 
is required, before delivering the merchandise to the importer, owner, 
or consignee, to give seasonable notice to the parties claiming a lien, 
and containing the further provision that the possession of the goods 
by the officers of the customs shall not affect the discharge of such 
lien. Both the original section and the substitute eontain the clausc : 
&quot;If merchandise so subject to a lien, regarding which notice has been 
filed, shall be forfeited to the United States, and sold, the freight due 
thereon shall be paid from the proceeds of such sale in the same 
manner as other charges and expenses, authorized by law to be paid 
therefrom, are paid. &quot; The district attorney insists that as no notice 
was given to the proper officer of the customs the case does not come 
within the provisions of the act, and no statutory authority can be 
invoked to pay the freight out of the proceeds of the sale. The counsel 
for the petitioners, on the other hand, contends that no notice was 
required, as none of the iron oce went into a public or bonded warehouse.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the defendants have adduced other and corroborating evidence that 
bas not been questioned. Davidson, who made the marking plates 
for Smith, and who is shown to be a reputable man, bas been exam- 
ined by defendants, and on his examination testified that he had, 
at or about the time alleged, at Smith 's instance and request, made 
such plates for Smith as herein previously described ; and his testi- 
mony is confirmed by the production of one of said plates, which 
bears every indication of genuineness, and is identified by Smith, 
Lee, and Davidson as one of the plates made by the latter and used 
by Smith in his business. There is, in fact, no ground on which to 
doubt the truth of this part of the evidence. If, then, said plate was 
made at the time and for the purpose mentioned, it follows, as the 
night follows the day, beyond all reasonable doubt, that it was so 
used. 
But this is not all. The conclusions reached and announced in 
the preoeding paragraph are confirmed by the positive testimony of 
other witnesses. Thomas Y. Huddleston, who was at the time of 
his examination, and for nearly eight years prior thereto, sherifff of 
his county, and who, so far as this record discloses, notwithstanding 
the attempt to impeach his credibility, is a reputable citizen, testi^ 
fies that he had purchased plug tobacco from Smith about that time 
with Smith's name impressed upon it ; and he is confirmed by M. 
W. Wright, one of complainants' witnesses, who, on cross-examina- 
tion, says that Smith showed him two plugs of tobacco so marked, 
which Smith at the time represented to be his work. This evidence, 
supplementing, as it does, the testimony of Smith, Lee, and David- 
son, makes a clear case of anticipation. 
Yet complainants contend that Smith never perfected and reduced 
his alleged discovery to any practical use; that it was merely experi- 
mental and incomplete ; and, in support of this theory, they further 
insist that Smith could not, and did not, impart as fine a finish to 
his tobacco as was given to the tobacco finished under complainants' 
process; and that for this and other insuperable diffieulties in his 
way he abandoned the invention in an incompleted condition. 
I cannot, howevea*, concur in this view of the facts. Smith discov- 
ered the &quot;process.&quot; This he seemed thoroughly to understand, and 
having applied it successfully to one or two plugs, it required no 
inventive genius to apply it to others. It is not important that he 
did not do this. He did not have the neceasary facilities, nor the 
means with which to obtain them. Besides, the seizure of his factory 
by the government, some eight months after his first experiment was&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/623</title>
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aient. Densmore v. Schofield, 4 Fish. 148; Prouty v. Ruggles, 16 Pet. 
341 ; Eames v. Godfrey, 1 Wall. 78. 
The complainant maintains, in the first place, that the defendant's 
pen is an infringement of claims 1, 2, and 4 of reissued letters patent 
No. 9,716, which are as follows: 
&quot;(1) In a fouiitain pen, the combination of a tubular point, a spindle 
adapted thereto, and connected to an independently-moving spindle carrier, 
said spindle carrier being adjustable in relation to a iixed part of the pen, 
whereby the movement of the apindle may be changea, and the wear thereof 
compensated, as set forth. (2) The combination of the spindle carrier, C, 
loosely-attached spindle, B, and ink-delivery tube. A, substantially as de- 
scribed. (4) The combination of the spindle carrier, C, spindle, B, and adjust- 
Ing screw, E, substantially as described.&quot; 
It is not contended that Cross was the inventer of the principal 
elements of the fountain pen, such as the air tube, gravitating valve, 
spindle or needle, etc. ; but the improvements worked out by Cross in 
this patent are, in brief , putting a screw in the upper end of the valve 
or carrier to regulate the rise of the valve f rom its seat ; putting a 
screw in the lower end of the valve or carrier to regulate the length 
of the needle ; and attaching the needle to the valve by a swivel joint, 
to give a freer play to the ueedle. A glance at the defendant's pen 
shows that it is different in form and construction. The valve which 
regulates the supply of ink in the complainant's pen being raised by 
pressing the point of the spindle or writing pen upon the paper, thus 
letting in the ink, and which falls by the action of gravity upon its 
seat, when no such pressure is exerted, thus cutting off the flow, and 
which was deemed indispensable in all the earlier fountain pens, 
is done away with in the pen of the defendant. A spiral spring, to 
which the needle is attached, is substituted, and this spring inserted 
in a small tube, which is securely held by a supporting post. No 
screw is attached to the lower end of the spring to regulate the length 
of the needle, and it is questionable, to say the least, whether the 
screw at the upper end of the spring, which serves to plug up at that 
end the small tube which holds the spring, performs the same func- 
tion as in the complainant's patent. 
A combination which includes as one of its principal elements a 
valve or spindle carrier of the kind described in the above claims in 
the complainant's invention, can hardly be said to be the same as a 
combination which dispenses with this, and substitutes another ele- 
ment of entirely different character, not to mention other less impor- 
tant changes in the construction of defendant's pen. Grave doubt,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/625</title>
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• H the attachment of the peu to the air tube is a substantive part 
of the complainant's invention, and if for this part the defendant 
substitutes Bomething else, which is not a mere mechanical equiva- 
lent, viz.y the supporting post, there bas been no infringement. To 
say that this attachment is not a fflaterial part of the patented eom- 
bination, considering its importance in the arrangement, and the lan- 
guage of the specification, would, we think, be going too far. At 
least, the point is sufficiently doubtful to dispose of this motion, 
whatever may be the final .conclusion after a full hearing. 
Again, it is chargea that the defendant bas infringed another pat- 
ent granted to the complainant, dated May 11, 1880, and numbered 
227,416, wherein the claim is, — 
&quot; In a stylograpMc fountain pen, a spindle having a tip of indiutn, or like 
hafd substance, in coœbination with a tubular point of comparatively soft 
metal, the spindle being arrangea in the point to project slightly and bear 
upon the paper, substantially as set forth.&quot; 
The defendant, in answer to this charge, introduces affidavits seek- 
iilg to show prior use or knowledge by others bei'ore the invention. 
The complainant. Cross, states in bis affidavit &quot;that be is unable to 
give the exact date of bis invention, but it was probably in the spring 
or Bummer of 1878.&quot; On the other band, the defendant produces 
the affidavits of James M. Clark, a manufacturer of fountain pens, 
and of Charles H. Court, an employe, who sv?ear to a similar use of. 
indium upon other fountain pens prior to the middle of 1877. 
James M. Clark says : 
&quot; The pens in which the indium-tipped needle was used all had a tubular 
point, from which the needle projected, composed of metal much softer than 
the indium, and the needle had an endwise movement, and was arranged in 
the point to project slightly from or beyond the end of the tubular point and 
bear upon the paper.&quot; 
In the affidavit of Charles H. Court we have also a similar descrip- 
tion of the use of indium, both statements detailing the same use in 
substance as that specified in complainant's patent. 
Judging from the evidence before the court, we cannot but say that 
some doubt is thrown upon the validity of this patent. A fuller 
investigation may, of cburse, dispel this. While it is unquestionably 
true that, these things being proved,— namely, a patent, long posses- 
sion, and infringement,- — the party is entitled,^rma/rtcie, to an injunc- 
tion; yet even where this is shown the question will be, in cases of 
opposing evidence, wbether this right bas been displaced by the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/643</title>
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Louis, through the negligence of the defendant, either acting directly 
through its immediate employes or acting by other agents with 
whom it had contracted for intermediate service, then said railroad 
is liable. 
The varions matters presented in evidence conoerning the relations 
of the Indianapolis &amp; St. Louis Eailroad and the Union Eailway &amp; 
Transit Company call upon the court to determine, as a question of 
law, whether — First, the liability of the Indianapolis &amp; St. Louis 
Eailroad ceased, as a common carrier, at or before the time of the 
accident; and, second, whether the Union Eailway &amp; Transit Com- 
pany had at that time imposed upon it, also, the duties of a common 
carrier. 
The duties of the Indianapolis &amp; St. Louis Eailroad Company to 
the plaintiff as a common carrier, if the faots are as alleged, did not 
cease nntil the arrivai of the train at St. Louis, although it may have 
entered into a contract with others to furnish the motive power for 
hauling the train over the bridge and tunnel. If it was not one of 
the Connecting roads for a through route, its liability ended at the 
termination of its route. 
As to the Union Eailway &amp; Transit Company, its liabilities are not 
those of a common carrier. It had entered into no personal contract 
with the plaintiff, tinless it was one of the common carriers in the 
through route. But the charter of the latter company does not make 
it a common carrier as to operations in East St. Louis, nor do any 
of the contracts produced. Hence, the Union Eailway &amp; Transit 
Company is not liable to the plaintiff for any injury sustained, unless 
it was guilty of direct negligence or unskilfulness, causing the said 
injury. If that company did, through such negligence or unskilful- 
ness, cause the injury alleged, it must respond in damages ; other- 
wise, not. 
Thus, the jury will decide — First, did the plaintiff sustain any 
injury ; and, if so, what is the amount of damages to be awarded 
him. Second, whether the injury was sustained by plaintiff from 
the negligence of the Indianapolis &amp; St. Louis Eailroad, or from the 
negligence of its agents. Third, as the liability of the Union Eail- 
way &amp; Transit Company rests upon the degree of negligence of which 
it was guilty, whether its direct negligence or unskilfulness caused 
the injury. It was bound, not to the extraordinary diligence required 
of a common carrier, but to the ordinary diligence and skill which its 
employment needs. 
It must be understood that, so far as the plaintiff is concerned.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the other carriers, The flrst carrier undertakes the service for the entire 
transit, and the others are but the agents of the first, to carry out the uiider- 
taking ; and hence, for any non-f easance in carry in g it out, they are, upon vvell- 
settled grounds, liable, not to the passenger, for they are net in any privity of 
contract with liim, but to the flrst carrier, for whom they have undertakeu 
the service. Hence, in the case of loss of haggage of the passenger, under 
the English rule, the company selling the ticket alone is liable, although the 
baggage may have been lost on the line of one of the Connecting carriers. 
Mytton V. Midland R. Co. 4 Hurl. &amp; if. 615; S. G. 28 L. J. (Exch.) 385. 
Whereas, under the American rule, either the company selling the ticket, or 
the carrier losing the baggage would be liable. 
But a direct injury to the passenger stands on a different footing frora the 
loss of baggage. Here the passenger has, both under the English and the 
American doctrine, an action agaiust the carrier on whose line the injury was 
received. It is a case of thebreaeh of a contract, and also a case of mere 
tort; for the passenger would have an action although there were no con- 
tract, and the undertaking to carry him were gratuitous. Phila. &amp; Reading 
R. Co. V. Derby, 14 How. (U. S.) 463; Steam-boat New World v. King, 16 
How. (U. S.) 469; Todd v. Old Colony R. Co. 3 Allen, 18; S. G. 7 Allen, 207; 
Rose V. Des Moines Valley R. Co. 89 Iowa, 246; Jaoohus v. St. Paul, etc., R. 
Co. 20 Minn. 125. The subsequent carrier having invitod or permitted the 
Jassenger to travel on its train, is bound to make reasonable provision for his 
safety; and for a f allure of this duty, the passenger may maintain au action 
against it as for pure tort. Berringer v. Qreat Eastern R. Co. 4 G. P. Div. 
163 ; Foulks v. Metropolitan Dist. R. Co. Id. 267 ; Johnson v. West Chester, 
etc., R. Co. 70 Pa. St. 357. It has always been the law that a carrier who has 
infiicted an injury on a passenger may be sued in tort. Ansell v. Waterhouse^ 
2 Chlt. 1; S. G. 6 Maule &amp; Sel w. 385; Sretherton v. Wood, 6 J. B. Moore. 141 ; 
S. G. SBrod. &amp; Bing. 54; Bank of Orange v. Brown, 9 Wend. 158; McOall v. 
Forsyth, 4 Watts &amp; S. 179; Pa. R. Oo.v. The People, 31 Ohio St. 537; Ileirm 
V. MoCaughan, 32 Miss. 17 ; Oregin v. Brooklyn, etc., R. Co. 76 N. Y. 192 ; 
Saltonstall v. Stonkton, ianey's Decis. 11; Frink v. Potier, 17 111. 506; New 
Orleans, etc., R. Co. v. Hurst, 36 Miss. 660; Ames v. Utiion R. Co. 117 Mass. 
541. With the case of Dale v. Hall, 1 Wilson, 281, the practico of declaring 
in assumpsit succeeded ; but this practice did not supersede the practice of 
suing in trespass or in case, {Bayley, J., in Ansell v. Waterhouse, 2 Chit. 1 ; S. 
G. 6 Maule &amp; Selw. 385 ;) and the passenger has his election to sue for the 
tort, or to waive the tort and sue for the breach of the contract to carry him 
safely. Taney, G. J., in Saltonstall v. Stockton, Taney's Decis. 11 ; Frink v. 
Poiter, 17 111. 406, If he sues in contract, he can only sue the carrier with 
whom he made the contract; and here is where the difficulty arises in Ameri- 
can courts. The courts, English and American, almost universally hold that 
he may sue the first carrier, who, in cases of a contract liketheone in the prin- 
cipal case, is generally deemed to undertake for the safe carriage of the pas- 
senger and his baggage over the entire route embracing the Connecting Unes. 
Great Western R.Co. v. Blake, 7 Hurl. &amp; N. 987; S. G. ihomp. Carriers of 
Passengers, 403 ; Buxton v. North Eastern R. Co. L. B. 3 Q. B. 549 ; Kent 
V. Midland R. Co. L. R. 10 Q. B. 1 ; S. G. 44 L. J. (Q. B.) 18 ; Mytton v. Mid-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/651</title>
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ings are founded, and it is also true that the statute declares, with 
the evident view of maintaining an orderly course of procedure, and 
of suitably protecting the rights of the parties, that the proceeding 
against a garnishee shall be deemed an action. But it is, after all, 
essentially but a branch of the main suit, and since that suit was 
not removable at the stage -when a removal was attempted, I am of 
the opinion that the garnishee proceedings could not be transferred 
to this court. This conclusion is supported by authorities which are 
entitled to weight as bearing upon the question. 
In Weehs v. Billings, 65 N, H. 371, the question arose whether a 
defendant under trustee process, — which in its purpose and general 
character, as existing in New Hampshire, is analogous to garnishee 
process or procedure in this state — could remove the proceeding to 
the federal court, there to be tried as a suit against him; and it was 
held that he could not. In the opinion of the court it is, among 
other things, said that — 
&quot; Although the trustee may in some sense be regarded as a defendant, and the 
question of hisliability be tried by a jury or by the court, he has, nevertheless, 
never been regarded by the courts as a defendant, in the proper and usual 
sense of the term, and, in common parlanee, is known and ealled by the name 
of trustee, while his alleged crediter is ealled the principal defendant. They 
are not sued in the same right, and are not answerable to the plaintift in the 
same manner. The principal is sued on account of some alleged injury which 
the plaintift has sustained by his act or neglect. But, as between the plaintili 
and trustee, there is no privity of contract, or other act or neglect by which the 
plaintifl has sustained damage. The property and credits of the principal de- 
fendant in his hands are attached, and he is summoned to show cause why 
execution should not issue against him for the damage which the plaintiff 
may recover against the principal defendant. The process as to him is rather 
to be regarded as an attachment of the defeiidant's property in his hands; 
and even if this were an action in which the state and federal courts had orig- 
inal concurrent jurisdiction of the funds of the defendant in the hands Of the 
trustee, the state court, being the one before whom proceedings were first had, 
and whose jurisdiction flrstattached,would retain its jurisdiction to the exclu- 
sion of the other court, if the only controversy were as to the disposition of 
the funds so attached.&quot; 
The removal in the case cited was attempted to be made under the 
second clause of section 639 of the Revised Statutes, but the discus- 
sion of the question by the court, from whose opinion the foregoing 
extract is made, applies with force to the question as it arises in the 
case at bar, since, under all the statutes authorizing removals of 
causes to the federal court, the proceeding reraoved must be a suit in 
the sense of those statutes; and it was not contendcd on the argu-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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ment that the act of 1875 is in that regard different from the judi- 
ciary act of 1789, or the removal acts of 1866 and 1867. 
In Iowa an &quot;oocupying claimant&quot; of land, who is an unsuecessful 
defendant in an ejectment suit, bas the right to retain possession, after 
Judgment against him, until the value of his improvements are as- 
certained, provided he files his petition therefor in the main action 
after judgment, but before the plaintiff causes it to be executed. In 
Chapman v. Barger, i Dill. 557, it was held that this proceeding by 
petition, for ascertainment of the value of improvements upon land, 
was not removable to the federal court under the act of March 3, 
1875 ; and for the reason that it was essentially part of and ancil- 
lary to the main suit, which was at an end, judgment having been 
rendered therein in the state court. So, with equal force, I think it 
may be said of the case at bar, that the garnishee proceeding is a 
dependence of and ancillary to the principal suit, which has been 
brought to an end by judgment in the state court. 
In Webber v. Htimphries, 8 Eep. 66, an execution upon a judgment 
in a state court against a corporation was returned niilla bona, and a 
motion was then made under the statutes of Wisconsin for an execu- 
tion against one of the stockholders. The stockholder then took the 
necessary steps to remove the case into the federal court, and a motion 
to remand was sustained on the ground that the proceeding sought 
to be removed was a mere sequence or dependency, or proceeding sup- 
plemental to the main action. 
InBank v. Turnbull e Go. 16 Wall. 190, after judgmeut recovered in 
a state court, an execution was issued and levied upon property in the 
possession of the judgment debtor, but the ownership of which was 
claimed by third parties. The elaimants, Turnbull &amp; Co., thereupon 
applied to the court under the statutes of the state for leave to intervene 
in the original suit, and to order an issue to try the right of property. 
Leave was granted, and an order was made for trial by jury of the 
question whether the judgment debtor or Turnbull &amp; Co. owned the 
property. Thereupon, the elaimants of the property removed the case 
to the federal court, and the question decided by the supreme court 
was whether the case was thus removable. Mr. Justice Swavoe. 
speaking for the court, said : 
••Conceding it [meaning the proceedifig instituted to try the right of prop- 
erty] to be a suit, and not essentially a motion, we think it was merely aux- 
iliary to the original action, a graft upon it, and not an independent and 
separate litigation. A judgment had been recovered in the original suit, final 
piocess was levied upor the property in question to satisfy it, the property&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/653</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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■w'as claimed by Turnbull &amp; Co., and this proceeding, authorized by the laws 
of Virginia, was resorted to to settle the question whether the property ought 
to be so applied. The contest could not have arisen but for the judgtnent and 
execution, and the satisfaction of the former would at once have extinguished 
the controversy between the parties. The proceeding was necessarily insti- 
tuted in the court where the judgment was rendered, and whence the execu- 
tion issued. No other court, according to the statute, could have talcen juris- 
diction. It was provided to enable the court to determine whether its process 
had, as was claimed, been misapplied, and what right and justice required 
should be done touching the property in the hands of its ofHcer. It was 
intended to enable the court, the plaintifl in the original action, and the claim- 
ant, to reach the final and proper resuit by a process at once speedy, informai, 
and inexpensive. That it was only auxiliary and incidental to the original 
suit, is, we think, too clear to require discussion.&quot; 
In accordance with these views the court below was directed to 
remit the case to the state court, and nothing need be added to the 
foregoing extract from the opinion of the court in the case cited, to 
«mphasize the analogy upon principle between that case and the case 
at bar. 
In Barrow v, Hunton, 99 U. S. 80, an action of nullity was insti- 
tuted in a state court to set aside a judgment that had been reoovered 
in the same court wherein that action was brought. The case was 
lemoved to the federal court, and the question decided by the supreme 
court was whether the proceeding to procure nullity of the judgment 
was to such an extent an independent, separate suit as to make it 
removable. It was held that it was rather in the nature of a supple- 
mentary proceeding, so connected with the original suit as to form an 
incident to it and substantially a continuation of it, and was not 
transferable to the federal court as a suit of which that court could 
take cognizance. 
The statute of Wisconsin relating to garnishment, as we have eeen, 
provides for garnishee proceedings as well after the issuing of an exe- 
cution as before judgment, and if in this case execution had been 
issued, and the proceeding against the garnishee had taken place after 
that event, I think it would hardly be eontended, in the light of the 
authorities, that such a proceeding could be removed to the federal 
court any more than a proceeding purely supplementary to execution 
could be so removed. And when we consider the essential character 
of a garnishee proceeding, I do not think the fact that the action 
against the garnishee was instituted while the principal suit was 
pending, and before judgment and execution, lends any additional force 
to the argument in favor of removal.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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connected to an immovable part of the frame, and every other alter- 
nate slide is connected to a swinging cros?-bar, which hangs down so 
as to have a rotating motion back and forth in the arc of a circle by 
reason of its being hung in bearings in the sides of the frame. A rod 
extends from nearly the middle of the width of the swinging cross- 
bar to the rear part of the frame, behind the Une from which the 
shoes are suspended, which rod is supported in the center of its 
lengthj and terminates at ita rear end in a handie, so that an operator 
can work it, and by pulling it shift simiiltaneously all the shoes that 
are attached to the swinging cross-bar. Two coiled springs are so 
arranged that when the rod is pulled the springs are compressed, and 
when the rod is released the action of the springs tends to throw the 
swinging cross-bar, and the shoes attached to it, towards the front of 
the frame again, restoring them to the position from which the pull- 
ing of the rod moved them. Thus, only alternate shoes are shifted, 
but the advantage of simultaneously changing the relative positions 
of the toes of the shoes to each other, and thus making a wider space 
in a straight line between any two toes at one time than at another, 
is secured, as in the plaintifif's arrangement. 
In the defendants' machine the shoes are so set that their toes are 
never in a straight line across, but, when nearest to each other, are 
Bomewhat ont of a straight line, and the pulling of the rod causes the 
distance between them to increase. The shoes which move, in 
increasing such distance, do so through the rotating motion to and 
fro of the swinging cross-bar to which they are attached, such 
motion being imparted by the pulling, at the rear of the machine, of 
the rod attached to the swinging cross-bar. In the plaintiff's machine 
the shoes which move in increasing such distance do so through the 
rotating motion to and fro of the crank-shaft to which they are 
attached, such motion being imparted by the pushing, at the rear of 
the machine, of the rod that carries the rack, the rod being worked 
by a lever. It makes no difference, so far as the use of the real 
invention of Davis is concerned, that in the defendants' machine only 
alternate shoes are shifted, and not all the shoes, and that the shoes 
which are not shifted are fastened to an unmoving bar, and that the 
actuating rod is in the length of the swinging cross-bar, and not at 
one end of it, and that the rotating motion of the points where the 
shoes are attached is accompanied by a hanging down of the swing- 
ing cross-bar, instead of having the bearings in the line of its axis, 
and that the actuating rod is pulled directly at its rear end instead 
of being pushed through a lever, and that the shoes are retracted by&lt;noinclude&gt;
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that this shifting could not be produced in Powers' apparatiis by an 
operator riding on the machine, nor without stopping the motion of 
the machine. There was no rod or means of actuating the sliding 
cross-bar, except to take hold of it. by the hand, and slide it and fix 
it in place by setting movable bolts. Davis' actuating lever bas 
eonnected with it a spring-loeking lever, so arranged that both levers 
can be grasped at once ; and, by pressing the locking lever towards 
the other lever, a catch is unloeked, so that the main lever can be 
moved. In the defendant's machine there is a locking device on the 
actuating rod at about the center of its length. This automatie sim- 
ultaneous shifting device is a marked feature in both the plaintiff's 
and defendant's arrangements, and is wanting in the foregoing 
structure of Powers. Powers put the foregoing shifting arrangement 
&quot;onto two or may be three drills&quot; which he had on hand. He testifies 
to the use of two of them, and says they worked perfectly so far as 
changing the rank of the drill was concerned. He macle a different 
style of drill for 1863, and then ceased to make drills. 
We inow corne to what is more material. Powers says that &quot;on 
one or ffiore&quot; of the machines containing the foregoing shifting 
arrangement he had the following device : He attached chaina to the 
iwo^rias of the sliding cross-bar and underneath, which chains went 
f oriward to the semi-discs of a rock-shaft in front of the front beam, 
to which was attached a hand4ever adapted to be reached and 
operated by the driver on the seat of the machine. By pulling this 
lever backward, the rock-shaft took up the chains, and brought the 
rear beatn forward to the single-rank position. The lever was se- 
-cured in position by a pin in a semi-circular guide, centering on the 
axis of the rock-shaft. When it was desired to double rank the 
shovels, the pin was removed, and the lever was allowed to sweep 
forward, which permitted the rear cross-beam to draw backward, 
when the drill was in motion, to double rank again. 
Powers illustrates this arrangement by a drawing marked &quot;Powers, 
No. 2.&quot; Powers says that he does not know what became of these 
drills; that he had taken out a patent on grain drills in 1862, before 
;making said application ; that he bas no recoDection of applying for 
a patent for the hand-lever shifting device; that that was got up 
aft'er the application of November 10, 1862, was filed; and that he 
thinks he filed an application for another patent on grain-drills after 
the application of November 10, 1863. He testifies as follows :&lt;noinclude&gt;
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in the drawinga of his patent. It had no crank-shaft, but had a bar 
with short cross-bars fixed to it, and cross-arms extending between 
the oross-bars and drag-bars attached to these arms, and he diapensed 
with the rack and pinion, and prolonged one of the cross- bars near 
the middle of the length of the first-named bar, and carried a rod 
from it to the rear of the machine, to the lower end of a hand-lever 
on a shaft from which the shoes were hung, and so worked the shoes ; 
the first-named bar turning as a shaft in bearinga, and each alter- 
nate drag-bar being so attached to the first-named bar as to have, 
when attached, a rotating motion in the arc of a circle in a direction 
opposite to that of its adjacent drag-bar. An unsuccessful attempt 
is made to show that Davis' shifting arrangement, as embodied by him 
in machines, was impracticable and worthless. But it is shown to have 
been practically applied in the form of model No. 2, and in other forms. 
Davis is clearly shown to have been the firat person to ihake a suc- 
cessful machine for changing the shoes of a grain-drill into substan- 
tially two lines from substantially one Une, by a shifting movement 
applied to any of the shoes by mechanism operating on and from the 
rear of the machine, and worked without stopping the machine or 
seriously interfering with its operation, Hia invention and patent 
are entitled to a liberal construction, daims 1, 2, and 3 of the re- 
issue are not anticipated, and the re-issue is nofc invalid because for 
a different invention from the original. 
As to claims 4, 5, and 6 of the re-issue they are, inf ringed, and 
the foregoing view of the statm of the Davis invention shows ,that 
those claims are not anticipated by the Jessup apparatus, or by 
any other prior structure. There is a patentable combination and 
co-aetion between the devices for shifting the shoes and the lifting 
devicea for raising the shoes, either simultaneously or individually. 
It may often be neeessary, after shifting has been deternained upon, 
and while it is in process of being effeoted, to suddenly raise one or 
more, or all, of the movable shoes, because of some apparent obstruc- 
tion in the path. So a compound motion of the toe of the shoe re- 
Bults, composed of a backward or forward motion, and an upward 
motion, resulting from the co-action of shifting and lifting. As the 
compound motion is a resultant of the two forces, so the two forces 
act in combination to produce the compound motion. 
There mu!st be a decree for the plaintiffs for an account and a per- 
petuai injunction, with costs.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The Buokeye. 
{District Court, iV. D. Illinois. December 12, 1881.) 
1. Collision — Lights. 
The fact that the libellants' boat did not display the lights required by 
law is no defence to an action for damages by a collision, when the want of 
lights did not cause or contribute to it. 
2. Chicago Rivek — NBaLiGENCB. 
• Semble, that it is negligence for any craf t to navigate the Chicago river, 
- between the Main-street bridge and Allen's slip, during the season of naviga- 
tion, and when the stream is crowded with other oraf t either moving or moored 
to the bank, at a greater rate of speed than three miles an hour. 
In Admiralty. 
Sc/iMyier (f Xrcwfr, for libellants; 
W.&gt;H; Condon, R. S. Tuttle, and Mr. Mitchell, for respondents. 
' BiiODGfETT, D. J. This is a libel by the owners of the steam canal- 
boat Montauk against the sfceam-propeller Buckeye, for damages by 
a, collision in the watpjs of the south branch of the Chicago rirer, 
between the Buckeye and the Montant, on the evening of Augast 19, 
1880, whereby the Montauk was sunk and her cargo proved a total 
loBS to its owners. 
Norton &amp; Co. file the libel in their own behalf, as owners of the 
Montauk, for the damages and demurrage sustained by them as such 
owhers, and also in behalf of the insuranoe company who had issued 
'a policy to them upon the cargo, and who have paid for the cargo as 
a'total loss. The claim on the part of the libellants is that the col- 
lision was ocoasioned by reason of the negligent handiitig of the 
Buckeye while she was proceeding downthe river; while the respond- 
ents, the owners of the Buckeye, insist that the collision was wholly 
occasioned by negligence on the part of those in charge of the Mon- 
tauk. It appears from the proof, and is undisputed, that the collis- 
ion occurred in the river near the south line of Allen's slip, where the 
river is about 130 feet wide from dock to dock; and on the partof the 
libellants it is claimed that the Montauk was on the west side of the 
center of the river, ahd within 15 or 20 feet of the- west bank; while 
on the part of the respondents it is contended that the Montauk was, 
by reason of the negligence of those in charge of her, in the middle 
or east of the middle of the river at the time she was struck by the 
Buckeye. The undisputed facts in the case are that between 7 and 
8 o'clock of the evening in question the steamer Buckeye was coming&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/689</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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manding cases to allow amendments as prevalling in the supreme 
court. In Fief cher v. Peck, 6 Cranch, 87, by consent the pleadings 
were amended by giving substance to a plea otherwise bad. 
Numerous cases can be cited where cases have been remanded by 
the supreme court to allow amendment, none disputing the power 
or authority of the appellate court to allow the amendment, but alleg- 
ing the practiee against it. 8 How. 610, before cited. 
So that the power of the appellate court to allow amendments may 
be taken as established, and it remains to be determined only whether 
there is any well-settled practiee of this court against it, and requir- 
ing a remanding of the case to do substantial justice. This court is 
mainly an appellate court for admiralty and revenue cases, and it is 
only under the bankrupt law that it has any other appellate jurisdic- 
t:on of any moment. In the two former classes of appeals the prac-, 
tice is well settled to allow the amendments. In the last class there 
is no practiee settled that has been called to my attention. Section 
636, Eev. St., would seem to give authority to the circuit court to try 
every appeai case de novo, as it may direct such judgment, decree, or 
order to be rendered, etc., as the justice of the case may require, 
I think the amendment was properly allowed in this case, but it 
should have been on terms which, however, can be corrected in the 
decree. The motion to strike out is denied, whereupon the complain- 
antff are entitled to a decree pro confessa, which is granted — the ap- 
pellants to pay the costs of the district court and the appellees the 
costs of this court. 
United States v. Howell and others. 
(Oircuit Court, W. D. North C'arollna. October Term, 1881.) 
1. State Exbmption Laws. 
State exemption laws are inapplicable to debts due from a citizen to the 
United States. 
2 Gase Stated. 
Upon a return of no property found in excess nf the homestead and personal 
property exemptions allowed by the constitution and laws of the state upon 
execution for any debt, on motion by the United States district attorney for 
an alias execution to be issued to the marshal, and for an order of court direct- 
ing him to malte a levy and sale of the property without regarding such ex- 
emptions, hdd, that he was entitled to the order asked for. 
In this case an execution was issued upon a judgment obtained by the 
United States against the defendants upon a wareliouse bond, and the mar- 
shal made return to this term of the court that no levy was made, as no goods&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/691</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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tution, exeepi for taxes and the purchase moneyof land claimed as a 
liomestead. I am inclined to think that this constitutional provision 
was intended to apply only to debts arising in the relation of indi- 
vidual debtor and creditor, and did not contemplate debts due to the 
state or the United States. 
I am not aware of any decision of the state supreme court upor 
this subject, and.I wili not express a decided opinion as to how far 
these constitutional exemptions apply to debts due to the state. I 
fully recognize the doctrine that the federal courts are bound to 
accept as correct the decisions of the state courts upon all questions 
arising under the state constitution and laws, when no question of 
national rights and authority is involved. 
In the course of my argument I feel that I can with propriety 
express the inclination of my opinion, as, from observation and expe- 
rience, I am familiar with the history of the situation, condition, and 
feelings of the people of the state, and the purposes they had in view at 
the time they f ormed and adopted the state constitution of 1868. They 
had just emerged froin a disastrous civil war, which had resulted in 
the loss of most of their property, and they were greatly embarrassed 
by indebtedness to individual ereditors, and they desired to secure 
their homestead and household eiiects, which were to them neces- 
saries of life, from the ruinous consequences of sale under execu- 
tion. Previous to the adoption of the constitution varions statutes 
had been passed by the legislature of the state to stay proceedings in 
the courts, and to postpone sales of property under executions upon 
judgments which had been or might be obtained. 
In interpreting and construing this article of the constitution I 
think that I can make the reasonable inference that the intent of 
the people, in the exercise of their rights of sovereignty in framing 
their organic laws, was permanently to secure their homes and the 
necessaries of life against the eager grasp of individual ereditors. 
This intent is made still more manifest by the &quot;iniform course of 
subsequent legislation upon this subject, as legislative action is 
generally an index of popular feeling and sentiment. There is a 
striking analogy and generally an entire harmony between the rules 
of interpretation of constitutions and those of statutes. The first 
and fundamental rule in relation to the interpretation of all instru- 
ments applies to a constitution; that is, to construe them aceording 
to the sense of the terms and the intention of the parties. Potter'b 
Dwarris, 655. 
In considering the language of the constitution, the condition of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/693</title>
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policy, which is in accordance with the liberal anu v^lightehed spirit 
of the age. 
In section 3187 of the Revised Statatea provision is made for ex- 
ompting certain property from distraint for internal-re venue taxes, 
and I think that these exemptions might well be extended to all the 
Jebts due the United States upon collections made under execution ; 
but this is a matter for the consideration and action of congress, and 
not for judicial liberality, as the courts must construe and enforce 
the law as it is written. 
The district attorney may drav? the order requested in his motion. 
Bebrtan V. Chetwood.* 
{Circuit Court, S. D. New York. December 14, 1881.» 
1. Rkmoval op Cause aftbr Default m PLEADina. 
Wliere the petition for removal was presentee! after defendanfc's time to an- 
swer had expired, and he was in default, hdd, that there was no controversy 
between him and plaintiff, within the meaning of the statute, so aa to make a 
case for removal. 
Motion to Kemand. 
Blatchford, g. J. Even conceding that there were proper writ- 
ten extensions of time to answer till November Ist, nothing that then 
or before or afterwards occurred in oral conversation between the 
attorneys amounted to a consent by the plaintiff's attorney to extend 
the time to- answer beyond November Ist. So, on November 3d, 
when the petition for removal was pre'sented and the bond approved, 
the defendant's time to answer had expired, he was in default, and 
there was no controversy between him and the plaintiff, within the 
meaning of the statute, so as to make a case for removal. 
The motion to remand the cause is granted, with costs. 
•Reported by S. Nelaon White, Esq., of the New York bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/701</title>
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your serious duty to determine, from the mass of evidence in the case, 
•whether the defendant is gaiity of sach cutting and conversion or not. 
The court cannot aid you in your finding upon this question, It is 
one wholly of fact, to be found from the weight of evidence. The 
question will be, what do you believe from the evjdence taken as a 
whole ? How are you fairly convinced from the testimony ? The 
evidence is apparently conflicting. Whether it be so or not is for you 
to determine. If you find it conflicting it will be your duty to recon- 
eile it if you can. If not, then it will be your duty to determine as 
to what part of it you will give most credit. And this question is not 
an arbitrary one, or to be solved by any technical rules, but is one 
resting in the sound discretion of the jury. You are to judge from 
all the circumstances in evidence, and developed on the trial, the weight 
to be given to the testimony of each witness. You have heard the 
witnesses testify, have observed their manner on the stand, have 
noticed their bearing and disposition or inclination to state the truth 
or color it. You have observed their bias, if any, their interest, their 
means of knowledge in reference to the things of which they are oalled 
to speak, their power of recollection, the consistency or inconsistency 
of their statements, and how they are corroborated and sustained or 
(Bontradicted by other testimony, or by the conceded facts in the case. 
It is from these circumstances, and all others bearing on the question, 
that you are to determine what witnesses are entitled to most credit, 
and the weight to be given to the statements of each and all. 
Evidence is that which satisfies and eonvinces the mind in regard 
to the real truth of the matters in issue; and if the statements of a 
•witness haive not this convineing quality the jury is entitled to with- 
hold from them credit. In fact, they cannot help doing so, because the 
giving or withholding credence to the statements of another, whether 
under oath or not,' is not a matter of will or ohoice. The jury are 
convinced by ^*^hat is fltted from its nature to convince, — that is, b^^ 
that which illustrates and elucidates the truth, — and the truth is 
ever the final object of your investigations; but, of course, you are 
to determine the truth from the evidence given on the trial, not from 
that whioh you may conceive might have been given. 
It is claimed, and it may be true, that the government has labored 
under disadvantage &quot;in having to call witnesses that have been more 
or less identified with the defendant or under his influence, and when 
they come upon the stand are what are called &quot;slow&quot; witnesses for 
the party calling them. AU I desire to say in regard to. this is what&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/705</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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The business was carried ou in a small room in liis dwelling, and was under 
the exclusive control of his wife. She kept the key of the rooin, and never 
allowed her iiusband, who was an intemperate man, to Qnter except when 
she was present. A deputy collector, while on a visit of inspection, discov- 
ered a cask which was duly stamped and had contained distilled spirits. the 
witnesses for the prosecution stated that the cask was entirely empty. Wit- 
nesses on the part of the defence stated that the cask was not entirely empty, 
but still contained about a pint or quart of spirits. The witnesses for the 
prosecution also stated that the wife of defendant was present at the time of 
inspection, and admitted that the cask was empty. The witnesses for the 
defence stated that the wife said, at the time, that she had emptied the cask 
that day as far as she could by the faucet, and had turned the cask up on the 
head so that she might procure assistance to draw ofif the entire contents 
through the bung-hole. The defendant was not present, and never had any- 
thing to do with carrying on the business except permitting the use of his 
house and allowing his name in procuring the liceuse. 
James E. Boyd, Dist. Atty., for the United States. 
J. W. Bowman and J. W. McElroy, for defendant. 
DicK, D. J,, (charging jury.) It is conceded that the stamp on the 
cask was not effaced and obliterated as required by law. The only 
controverted question of fact which you have to determine is, was the 
cask empty when discovered by the deputy collector? The affirma- 
tive allegation is made in the indictment, and is material in constitut- 
ing the offence charged; and, before a conviction oan properly be had, 
you must be satisfied from all the evidence, beyond a reasonable 
doubt, that the allegation is true. 
As the statute upon which this indictment is founded is highly penal, 
a general rule of construction requires that it shall be strictly con- 
strued, and not extended by implication. The words in a statute, if 
of oommon use, are to be taken in their natural, plain, obvious, and 
ordinary meaning. The offence charged in this case is a failure to 
efface and obliterate a stamp &quot;atthe time of emptying such cask,&quot; etc. 
You will consider what is meant by the words &quot;emptying such cask.&quot; 
The ordinary signification of the verb &quot;to empty&quot; is to &quot;make void;&quot; 
&quot;to exhaust;&quot; &quot;to deprive of the contents.&quot; If this ordinary signifi- 
cation of the Word used in the statute is adopted, the defendant can- 
not be convicted unless the evidence shows that the cask was com- 
pletely deprived of its contents — not a pint left. I am not disposed 
to adopt this strict literal construction, as there is another important 
rule in the construction of statutes which must be observed. We must 
consider the object andspiritof the statute, and try to ascertain, from 
the language of the whole and every part of the statute, what was the 
intent and purpose of the legislature in making the statute. TI.J&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/707</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702102</id>
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and there was no reasonable cause for the delay in effacing and oblit- 
erating the stamp, then you ought to return a verdict of guilty, 
The counsel for the defendant insisted that even if the jury should 
be fully satisfied that there was a violation of law, the defendant is 
not guilty, as the ofifenoe was committed by hia wife in his absence, 
and without his knowledge and consent. As a general rule, the hus- 
band ia not criminally liable for offenees committed by the wife in 
his absence, and without his consent or procurement. If he is pres- 
ent with his wife, and participates in the crime, he may be indicted. 
In most cases of felony, but not in misdemeanors, where the hus- 
band is actually or constructively present at the time of the commis- 
sion of a crime, the wife may be excused, although she participated, 
on the ground of the actual or presumed command and coercion of the 
husband compelling her to the commission of the crime. But this is 
only a presumption of law, and may be rebutted by evidence showing 
that she was not acting under compulsion, but was a voluntary and 
principal actor, 
The rules of law aa to the joint and separate liability of a husband 
and wife in the commission of crime do not govern this case, and they 
are onlyreferred to as they were strongly insisted on in the argument 
of counsel. This is not a crime of commission, but the ofience con- 
sists in a failure to perform a legal duty. The emptying of the cask 
was not criminal, — the failure to efface the stamp is the gist of the 
offence. 
The defendant had undertaken a public business under a license 
from the government, and his wife was his agent in earrying on this 
business^ and she omitted to perform a duty imposed by law upon 
persons engaged in such licensed employment. 
As a general rule, a criminal act of a servant or agent does not snb- 
ject the master or employer to any criminal responsibility, unless he 
directed or co-operated in such act, or the employment necessarily 
resulted in such unlawful act. It is, however, well settled that where 
a master, owing a certain duty to the public, entrusts its performance 
to a servant, he is responsible criminally for the failure of hia servant 
to discharge that duty, if the non-performance of such duty is a 
crime. 
The wife in this case was the agent of her husband, and he is 
criminally responsible, if, without reasonable justification and excuse, 
she failed to perform the duty imposed upon him by the law. 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/709</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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district attorney approved the bond he examined the plaintiff in error 
and his wife particularly in regard to their property, real and per- 
Bonal. After the bond was executed and the affidavit waa sworn to 
and signed, it was approved by the district attorney of the United 
States, and was subseqaently accepted by the proper officer of the 
treasury, and revenue stamps to a large amount were issued to Ayer. 
On the trial of the case before the district court the afiSdavit was 
offered in evidence, and objection was made on the ground that it was 
not an instrument required by law to be sworn to, and that therefore 
a false statement contained therein did not constitute perjury. This 
objection was overruled by the court, to which exception was taken. 
It was also shown that the plaintiff in error admitted that he was not 
pecuniarily responsible, but that his wife was responsible as surety, 
they both having signed the bond. There was evidence also offered 
tending to show that the statement set forth in the affidavit sworn to 
by the wife of the plaintiff in error was false as to the value of the real 
property therein desoribed and as to the title thereto. The plaintiff in 
error admitted on the trial, by his counsel, that he procured his wife 
to sign the bond, and that he was responsible for whatever she had 
done, but denied that she hadcommitted perjury. The oounsel of the 
plaintiff in error, addressing the court, said, in his presence and hear- 
ing, &quot;The defendant consents that a verdict of gtlilty may be rendered 
by the jury,&quot; and the court thereupon said, &quot;Does the defendant so 
consent?&quot; No objection was made, and the plaintiff in error nodded 
his head in reply to the question of the court, and a verdict of guilty 
was then directed to be rendered by the jury, which was accordingly 
done in the presence and hearing of the plaintiff. iri error, without 
objection or dissent byhim. 
After the recording of the verdict, a motion was made by the plain- 
tiff in error for a new trial, and several afSdavits were filed in support 
thereof, the principal object of which was, apparently, to show that 
the declaration of the counsel that a verdict of guilty might be ren- 
dered was unauthorized, and that there were several witnesses present 
whose testimony the plaintiff in error desired to introduce to show 
that the statements contained in the affidavit were true, and that his 
counsel was unwilling and declined to call the witnesses and intro- 
duce their testimony, relying upon the proposition that the affidavit 
was not an instrument authorized by law, and therefore perjury could 
not be assigned upon it. It will be seen, therefore, that after the 
introduction of certain evidence, further evidence was waived, and an 
admission made by the counsel, in the presence and hearing of the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/717</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702112</id>
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&quot;The changes were made in the 'home fertilizers' at the time we made 
application for the patent, and we then, as I have stated before, coneluded, 
inasmuch as dissolved bone was an improvement on fine bono, to use that 
in the place of it, and we made application for the patent with that im- 
provement — at least, with that change — for dissolved bone instead of houe 
dust or fine bone, which we had been using before. I know it was the date of 
the application of the patent, but I carmot tell you how near that date it was, 
or anything about it, without reference to the books. We all agreed among 
ourselves that dissolved bone was an improvement on bone dust; and we 
made application for the patent with that understanding, that it was an im- 
provement, and that it was the great improvement in our formula.&quot; 
When Dr. Boykin states that from the complainants' observation 
of the success of certain formulas, and I think he means by this the 
increasing demand, they were led to introduce dissolved bone as being 
Buperior to anything else, he does not of course pretend to any claim 
to have discovered the merits of dissolved bone as a fertilizer. Dis- 
solved bone had then for 15 or 20 years been well known, among per- 
sons using or dealing in fertilizers, as one of the approved methods 
of preparing bone phosphates for that purpose, and dissolved bone 
was on all the price-lists of such dealers, and was called for in some 
of the many formulas produced in evidence which were in use prior 
to 1876. The virtues claimed for it as compared with ground bone, 
bone meal, or bone dust, for fertilizing, were known, and were the sub- 
ject of discussion and experiment. It appears from the expert testi- 
mony to have been thought then, as now, that the dissolved bone was 
more immediate in its effects but not so lasting ; that if there was 
present in the soil sufSoient soil water to dissolve the ground bone as 
rapidly as required by the plant, it was to be preferred as cheaper and 
more lasting, but that if there was a deficiency of soil water, so that 
the ground bone was liable to decompose too slowly, then the dis- 
solved bone was the better. One of the complainants' experts states 
that he has known dissolved bone to have been used in formulas for 
fertilizers, in greater or less quantities, for 15 years past. 
AU that the complainants can possibly daim, so far as the dis- 
solved bone is concerned, is that they have substituted in the Liebig 
formula one well-known form of bone phosphate fertilizer for an- 
other well-known form. Beyond the presumption arising from the 
patent, there is very little to show just when they made this change. 
The testimony of Dr. Boykin leaves it very uncertain. In one part 
of his testimony above quoted he says the change was made by them 
at the time they made application for the patent, viz., March 1,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/737</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702132</id>
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It is contrary to the policy of the law, and certainly contrary to the 
principles of equity, to permit an attorney at law to oecupy at the 
same time and in the same transaction the antagonistic and wholly 
incompatible position of adviser of his client concerning a pending 
litigation, threatening the client's title to property, and that of 
purchaser of such property from the client. If an attorney can 
deal with his client concerning such property at all, he must, be- 
fore doing so, — for the time, at least, — divest himself of the character 
of attorney, so that his former client may deal with him as a 
etranger. This is not the case -when the attorney negotiates with the 
client as the purchaser of such property, and at the same time ad- 
vises him as counsel concerning the title toit, or concerning its value, 
as affected by pending litigation. . 
3. To sustain a sale from client to attorney, the burden is upon 
the latter, and he must show that he bas done as much to protect the 
client's interest as he would have done in the case of his client's deal- 
ing with a stranger. The court will watch such a transaction with 
jealousy, and throw on the attorney the burden of proving that the 
bargain is, generally speaking, as good as any that could have been 
obtained by due diligence from any. other purchasen An attorney 
cannot in any case sustain a purchase from his client without show- 
ing that he communicated to such client everythingnecessaryforhim 
to form a correct judgment as to the real value of the subject of the 
purchase, and as to the propriety of selling; for the priee . offered ; 
and neglect of the attorney to inform himself of the state of the facts 
will not enable him to sustain a purchase from his blient for an inad- 
equate consideration. The attoiliey must show that all the consider- 
ations which should have operated to prevent -the sale by the client 
were presented by him with the eamestness of a man who was anx- 
ious only for the client's good. It must be made to appear. that the 
client is no worse off than he would have been had he consulte d an 
adviser who had no ' ititerest and no selfish end in view. It must 
appear also that the attorney took such measures to inform himself 
as to the value of the property offered for sale by the client as are 
ordinarily taken by persons dealing in such property under like cir- 
cumstances, and that, being himself thereby infortned, he communi- 
cated all his information upon the subject to his client. Authorities 
by which these general rules are established will be found cited in 
Weeks, Attys. at Law, under the head of &quot;Dealingsbetween Attorney 
and Client,&quot; 450-469, and in 2 White &amp; Tudor, Leadt Cas. in Eq.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/759</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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We concede the validity of article 248* of the Louisiana constitu- 
tion, as delegating the regulation of slaughter-houses to the varions 
municipal authoritiea. We doubt the validity of article 258t of the 
same constitution, so far as any retroactive effect is claimed for it, 
and we deny that said article is or pretends to be an exercise of the 
police power. And we deny the efficiency of any of the ordinances 
of the city of New Orleans — as shown in this case — to in anywise 
deprive complainant of the rights given by bis contract and charter, 
or to convey any of said rights or privileges to defendant. i 
*S6ction 248 of the constitution of Louisiana, of 1879, provides as follows : 
&quot; The police juriea of the several parishes, and the constituted authorities 
of all incorporated municipalities of the state, shall alone have the power of 
regulating the slaughteiing of cattle, and other live stock, within their re- 
spective limits: provided, no monopoly or exclusive privilege shall exist in 
this state, nor such business be restricted to the land or houses of any individual 
or corporation : provided, the ordinances designating the places for slaughter- 
ing shall obtain the concurrent approval of the board of health,or other sani- 
tary organization.&quot; 
f Section 258 of the constitution of Louisiana, of 1879, provides as follows: 
&quot;Ail rights, actions, prosecutions, claims, and contracts, as well of individ- 
uals as of bodies corporate, and all laws in force at the time of the adoption 
of this constitution, and not inconsistent therewith, shall continue as if the 
said constitution had not been adopted. But the monopoly features in the 
charter of any corporation now existing in the state, save such as may be 
contained in the charter of railroad companies, are hereby abolished.&quot; 
JThe charter of plaintifE provided, inte?- alla, (acts of Louisiana of 1869, pp. 
169 et seq, .•) 
&quot; Sec. 3. Be it further enacted, etc., that the said company or corporation is 
hereby authorized to establish and erect, at its own expense, at any point or 
place on the east bank of the Mississippi river, within the parish of St. Ber- 
nard ; or in the corporate limits of the city of New Orleans, below the United 
States barracks; or at any point or place on the west bank of the Mississippi 
river, below the present depot of the Xew Orleans, Opelousas &amp; Great West- 
ern Railroad Company, — wharves, stables, sheds, yards, and buildings neces- 
sary to land, stable, shelter, protect, and preserve all kinds of horses, mules, 
eattle, and other animais, from and after the time such buildings, yards, etc., 
are ready and complete for business, and notice thereof is given in the officiai 
Journal of the state ; and the said Cresent City Live-Stock Landing &amp; Slaugh- 
ter-House Company shall have the sole and exclusive privilege of conducting 
and carrying on the live-stock landing and slaughter-house business within 
the limits and privileges granted by the provisions of this act ; and cattle and 
other animais destined for sale or slaughter in the city of New Orleans, or its 
environs, shall be landed at the live-stock landings and yards of said company, 
and shall be yarded, sheltered, and protected, if necessary, by said company or 
corporation; and said company or corporation shall be entitled to have and 
receive for each, etc. 
&quot; Sec. 10. Be it further enacted, etc., that at the expiration of 25 years from 
and after the passage of this act, (March 8, 1869,) the privileges herein granted 
shall expire.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/775</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702170</id>
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inal patent, bythe introduction of the &quot;lay&quot; of a loom as one element 
of the combination, unduly limited the invention. The plaintiflfs also 
insist that while the word &quot;loom,&quot; as defined in the dictionaries, or 
when used technically, does not include a knitting-machine ; yet, as 
used in the shops and in the patent-office, it does include such ma- 
chine ; but that this is immaterial, for whoever uses the loom take-up 
and employa the same combination in a knitting-machine to take up 
the fabric is an infringer, and that the crank-rod of the defendant's 
device, by which power is communicated to the pawl-lever, is the 
obvions mechanical equivalent of the lay and pitman of the Holmes 
device. 
In my opinion the case turns upon the question, what was the 
invention which was described, either clearly or faintly, in the orig- 
inal patent ? It is true that the actual invention of Holmes could 
have been applied to knitting-machines, and if the patentee had 
known the extent of his invention he could properly have made a 
broader claim, which would have been valid; but the point is 
whether it does not appear from the patent that the only invention 
which was the subject of the application was one applicable only to 
the weaving of cloth, and therefore whether a broad reissue is not 
faulty in that it contains an invention which was neither suggested 
nor applied for in the original application, but which is such an 
addition to the invention, as originally claimed, as to be properly the 
subject of a new patent. 
Starting with the fact that whatever may be either the commer- 
cial or technical meaning of the word &quot;loom,&quot; the meaning of &quot;loom 
for weaving cloth&quot; is very obvions, and with the additional fact that a 
knitting-machine is a structure of altogether different character from 
a weaving-loom, except that each machine produces cloth and needs 
a take-up, did the original patent indicate, suggest, or hint that the 
invention was anything but an adjunct to looms for weaving? The 
original application was strictly confined to such machines, and fora 
manifest reason. In cloth-weaving, whenever a thread of filling is 
passed between the threads of warp the lay is thrown forward and 
beats the thread of filling against the edge of the newly-woven 
cloth. The old take-ups made use of the constantly-reourring for- 
ward motion of the lay to turn the cloth-beam and to keep the yarn 
tant, for in a loom take-up the movement of the lay is the natural 
source of motion for the take-up mechanism. The inventor wanted to 
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instrumentalities which the patentees employed. in their use of the 
hot blast operated just as they had previously operated when the 
same blast was iised for other purposes. They employed old mech- 
anism without produeing a new effect. It may be true that this 
device produced a better resuit, but that, of itself, was net enough to 
sustain the patent. 
In delivering the opinion of the court in Roherts v. Ryer, 91 U. S. 
150, Chief Justice Waite says : 
&quot; It is no new invention to use an old machine for a new purposa The 
inventer of a machine is entitled to the beneflt of all the uses to which it 
can be put, no matter whether he had conceived the idea of the use or 
not.&quot; 
And, says Justice Story, in Bean v, Smalltvood, .*/ Story, 408: 
&quot; The tiiing itself which is patented must be new, and not the mere appli- 
cation of it to a new purpose or object.&quot; 
The plaintiff's patent was not for the application of an old machine 
to a new use. The interior of moulds and other receptacles had 
been previously beated by a hot blast, and the patentees used a blast 
of the same character to beat the interior of beer casks. No new 
application of a natural force or element in nature was pointed out 
or described in the patent. 
This case is different in some essential respects from the cases 
which were decided by Judges Blodgett and Dyer. 
The bill is dismissed for want of equity. 
DOWNTON V. AlLIS. 
(Circuit Court, E. D. Wiscondn. October Term, 1881.) 
1. Lettbks Patent— Middlings Floub. 
Under certain contracts to which Robert L. Downton and Edward P. Allis &amp; 
Co. were parties, the latter acquired no rights of ownership in an invention 
covered by patent No. 162,157, for a process in crushing grain or middlings. 
In Equity. 
W. O. Rainey, for complainant. 
D. S. Wegg and Jenkins, EUiott e Winkier, for defendant. 
Dyer, d. J., (orally.) This is a bill filed by the complainant, Down- 
ton, against the defendant, Allis, the prayer of which, in brief; is that 
certain contracts, which are set forth in extenso in the bill, and to 
which reference will be presently made, may be decreed to be can- 
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&quot; For and in consideration of the sum $125, to me in hand paid, T hereby 
sell, assign, and set over to Edward P. AUis &amp; Co., of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 
their successors and assigns, the exclusive right to manufacture and sell rolls 
for crushing grain or middlings, or other substances, which right or process 
is secured to me under patent nurabered 162,157, dated April 20, 1875, for the 
full life of such patent and reissues, extensions or improvernents thereon, 
except that the shop right to manufacture and sell in the state of Minnesota, 
but net elsewhere, is granted to 0. A. Pray, of Minneapolis; said Allis &amp; Co. 
having an equal right to sell in said state. 
&quot;Dated at Milwaukee, Wisconsin, this twenty-fourth day of Janttary, A. D. 
1876. 
[SignedJ &quot; Robert L. Downion.&quot; 
In the third agreement, known as the personal-service contract, it 
was reoited that by certain agreements (referring to the contracts 
last mentioned) the right to the exclusive manufacture of Downton's 
peerless middlings duster and rolls, for crushing grain, had been con- 
veyed by Downton to Allis &amp; Co., and it was agreed that Downton 
should enter into their employment and engage in the sale of these 
machines and other manufactures of AUis &amp; Co. ; that he should be 
paid for his services at the rate of $1,500 per year, and that upon all 
sales Allis &amp; Co. were to receive certain profits, which it is not nec- 
essary to speak of more particulaTly. It was also provided by this 
contract that the engagement of Downton to Allis &amp; Co., at the rate 
of $1,500 per year, might be ended upon notice of six months by 
either party, or without notice upon the payment of $750 in money. 
This contract is dated January 3, 1876. At the time of the execu- 
tion of these several contracts, or soon thereafter, — and it is a close 
question of fact at what precise date the transaction between the par- 
ties occurred — an addendum was put to the personal-service contract, 
which provided that &quot;in case of the termination of the above arrange- 
ment, by death or other casualty, the right to sell the machines 
referred to in the above agreement shall revert to the heirs or suc- 
cessors of E. L. Downton, the manufacture continuing in said Allis 
&amp; Co., to whom all orders are to be sent.&quot; This addendum was signed 
by both of the parties. 
As I have indicated, the question here involved is whether, under 
these contracts, or either of them, the defendant Mlis acquired the 
title to the patent in question, which, if valid, is alleged to be of very 
great value. It is worthy of remark that these causes have been very 
thoronghly presented on both sides, and every point that can pos- 
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io proceed to and to use a United States gulf port west of New Or- 
leans, and a loss west of New Orleans, on such voyage, was not a 
risk within the permitted voyages of the policy. There was no way, 
under the policy, by which the vessel could enter the gulf, consist- 
ently with the first written Une, except by the permission in the sec- 
ond written Une, and that permission gave her no right to be west of 
New Orleans on a voyage to Morgan City. There is a clear intention 
manifested and expressed by the words of the policy of not insuring 
against the perils of a coasting trade on the gulf coast west of New 
Orleans, or against the perils of trying to enter a United States gulf 
port west of New Orleans. 
The case of Snow v. Columbian Ins. Co. 48 N. Y. 624, was the case 
of a purely time policy, not prescribing any voyage or trade, and hav- 
ing warranties against using certain ports, places, and waters. One 
of them was a warranty not to use ports in the British North Ameri- 
can Provinces except between certain days. The vessel, at a time 
not between those days, sailed for a port in a British North American 
province, and was lost on the coast of that province, about 50 miles 
from that port, at a time not between those days. It was held that 
the insurer was liable, as there had been no use of the forbidden port. 
The decision was put on the ground that the vessel had a right to be 
in the water where she was. In the present case, on a proper con- 
struction of the policy, the vessel was sailing in forbidden waters. 
The case of Palmer v. Warren Ins. Co. 1 Story, 860, was the case 
of an exception or exclusion of what would otherwise have been 
included in the general terms of the policy. It differed frpm the pres- 
ent case. Moreover, the policy was purely a time policy, with no 
designation of prescribed or permitted voyages or trade. 
The libel is dismissed, with the costs of the respondent in the 
district court, taxed at $20, and costs of the respondent in this 
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continue to act as such receiver and manager, and denies that it is 
in possession without right, and that it ought to be compelled to sur- 
render its possession to the Vermont &amp; Canada Eailroad Company, 
and prays judgment whether it ought to answer further. The pru- 
ceedings upon which it was placed in possession show that certain 
persons were, in regular course, made receivers of this road, with 
other raiiroad property, to operate the roads, and out of the income 
to pay the rent to the Vermont &amp; Canada Eailroad Company ; that 
pursuant to an agreement between the parties, according to its terms 
embodied in a decree, the then receivers continued to operate the 
roads according to the provisions of the agreement and decree, by 
which they were to operate them and apply the income to the pay- 
ment of the rent; then to the payment of the first-mortgage bonds of 
the Vermont Central Eailroad ; then to the second-mortgage bonds of 
the Vermont Central Eailroad; and then to pay it to the Vermont 
Central Eailroad Company ; and that upon the joint petition of those 
receivers and their suocessors, and the Central Vermont Eailroad 
Company, a decree was made by which the Central Vermont Eailroad 
Company was placed in possession in their stead. 
The orators claim that the prior possessors had lost their right to 
this road through their non-payment of rent, and that the transfer 
to the Central Vermont Eailroad Company was merely a transfer by 
one to the other, although sanctioned by the court, and that the 
transferes took no greater or different rights than the transferors 
had. The defendants claim that the transfer was ordered by the court ; 
that the rights of the Central Vermont Eailroad Company, under the 
transfer, cannot be inquired into anywhere except in that court ; and 
that they are valid everywhere else against all claimants. The right 
of the orators, denied by the plea, is the same which they set up and 
seek to enforce by their Mil, and which they claim to have tried and 
determined upon the answer of the defendants in the usual course. 
As stated before, the parties are citizens of different states, and this 
is a suit in which there is a controversy between them, and which 
those bringing it have the right to have determined in this court, 
unless there is some unusual reason for turning them out of court. 
A-s said by Mr. Justice Campbell in Hyde v. Stone, 20 How. 170: 
&quot;But the courts of the United States are bound to proceed to judg- 
ment, and to afford redress to suitors before them, in every case to 
which their jurisdiction extends. They cannot abdicate their author- 
ity or duty in any case in favor of another jurisdiction.&quot; This is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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little, Jr., Esq., one of the complainants' solicitors, filed hia affidavit 
describing the eomplainauts' cause of action, and stating that John 
0. Pierson, one of the defendants, was a resident of the city of Chi- 
cago and state of Illinois; that the Continental Life Insurance Com- 
pany was a citizen of the state of Connecticut, and that certain other 
defendants were citizens of Boston, in the state of Massachusetts ; that 
neither said non-resident defendants, nor either of them, could be found 
in the district of Indiana, nor did they, or either of them, voluntarily 
appear to the complainants' bill of complaint. On the information 
contained in this affidavit the court entered an order that the defend- 
ants named in the affidavit appear and plead, answer or demur, to the 
bill and intervening petition on or before the seventh day of Decem- 
ber, 1881, and that a copy of the order should be served upon each 
of sueh defendants. Certified copies of this order and the bill of 
complaint aad intervening petition were served upon the Continental 
Life Insurance Company, in Connecticut, on the sixteenth day of 
November, 1881, by the marshal for the district of Connecticut. 
Samuel C. Hays, in an affidavit in which he describeg himself as 
deputy United States marshal for the northern district of Illinois, ' 
swore that he made similar service on John 0. Pierson on the same 
day. And B. B. Johnson made affidavit of similar service at Boston 
on the seventeenth day of November, 1881, on the defendants, who 
were citizens of that place, describing himself as deputy marshal for 
that district. Mr. Johnson also indorsed the usual return of service 
upon the certified copies of the order, bill, and intervening petition, 
which were placed in bis hands as deputy United States marshal for 
the district of Massachusetts. 
The defendants now appear specially and move to set aside the 
order of the court and the service of the same, for the reason that the 
order was prematurely made; that it was not based upon proper 
information; that the day designated for the defendants to appear 
and plead was not a rule-day ; that the service should have been by 
the marshal of this district, or by a person specially named in the 
order to make the service; and that the intervening petition is not 
such a proceeding as is contemplated by the act of March 3, 1875. 
This act provides that when any defendant in a suit in equity to 
enforce any equitable lien or claim against real or personal property 
in the district where the suit is brought is not an inhabitant of aor 
found within the district, and does not voluntarily appear thereto, it 
shall be lawful for the court to make an order directing such absent 
defendant to appear and plead, answer or demur, to the complainant's&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/823</title>
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The contract, then, was complete. In substance, it was that if 
the defendant would pay $55,000, immediately, the goverument 
would release him from all known claims. It was not a contract by 
which, in consideration of his promise to pay, they released him, or 
even promised to release him ; or to forbear to sue him or his ex- 
ecutors. If he had retracted his consent on Monday, they would 
have prosecuted their suits for penalties as well as duties, They did 
not intend to release those suits and claims, which, if he had lived, 
would have been their best security, Still, it was a contract; and if 
Way had immediately tendered the money to the government, he 
might have pleaded the contract and tender in bar of the suit or 
suits ; and, on the other hand, if the government had chosen to tender 
to Way a release of all claims, I do not see why they might not 
have sued him on the contract. They made no such tender then, or 
since, and when Way died the occasion for a release was gone ; there 
was no longer a large unliquidated claim to be relieved by the pay- 
ment. In this state of things I decide that there was no contract 
binding the exeeutors to pay $55,000 to the government. 
As to the second compromise, the objection is taken by the govern- 
ment that there was no report upon it by the district attorney, as 
required by the statute, (now Rev. St. § 3469.) But there was a full 
and elaborate report and recommendation by Mr. Hurd upon a 
similar offer; and it is upon this report that the solicitor founded his 
own. This is plain upon the face of the papers. The offer thus 
reported on was not only similar, but, in substance, identical. It was 
to submit to a judgment for $13,500, the estimated amount of 
duties; and the accepted offer was to submit to a judgment for the 
amount of the same duties, to be ascertained by an auditor. There 
had been, therefore, a substantial compliance with the statute. 
Whether the new compromise was one which, in law, would have 
superseded the old one, if that had been of binding force after Way's 
death, I have no occasion to decide. Judgment for the defendants.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/824</title>
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Sbcob and others v. Singleton and othera. 
(Circuit Court, E. D. Missouri. December 6, 1881.) 
1. Demurker to Bill— Veuification— Equity Rule 31. 
■A demurrer to a bill in equlty should be certifled by counsel to be, in their 
opinion, well founded in point of law, and gupported by the affidavit of the 
defendant that it is not interposed for delay. 
2. Taxation — Decisions of State CoimTS (Jovbbn. 
The decision of the highest court of a atate upon a question of local taxation 
la conclusive. 
3. Same — Exemptions. 
Where the stock of a company is by law exempt from taxation, its property 
cannot be taxed. 
Scotland County v. Missouri, loioa, e Nebraska R. Qo. 65 Mo. 120. 
In Equity. Demurrer. 
The bill alleged that the Alexandria &amp; Bloomfleld Railroad Company was 
duly incorporated by an act of the general assembly of the state of Missouri, 
and that by a provision of its charter its stock was made exempt from taxa- 
tion for the period of 20 years after its completion, which period bas not 
yet expired ; that said road ran through the counties of Clark, Scotland, and 
Schuyler, in the state of Missouri, to a point on the northem boundary Une of 
said state; that said company was after wards consolidated, under the laws of 
Missouri and Iowa, with the Iowa Southern Railway Company, a corpo- 
ration in the state of Iowa, and has been since known as the Missouri, Iowa 
&amp; Nebraska Eailway Company; that by virtue of the laws of said states the 
consolidated company became entitled to all the privileges and immunities of 
the original corporations ; that said Iowa &amp; Nebraska Eailway Company has 
no property in said counties of Clark, Scotland, and Schuyler, except its road- 
bed and other property used in the operation of its road ; that taxes had been 
illegally assessed against said property, and that the defendants, the auditor 
of the state of Missouri, the judges of the county courts bf said counties, and; 
others, have combined to compel said company to pay taxes in said counties- 
upon its property therein situated, and had employed attorneys to institute 
and maintain suits for taxes assessed against said property; that the com- 
plainants owned a large amount of stock in said company, and had requestedi 
the directors and officers of said company, and said company, to refuse to pay 
said taxes, and to take proper steps to resist the imposition of taxes upon said 
property ,but that they had ref used to take auy such steps ; and that said company 
had, through its officers, announced its intention to pay said illegal taxes.. 
The prayer of the bill was that the taxation of said eompany's property should 
be declared illegal, and the acts of the auditor and the county officers void and 
of no effect; and for a writ of injunction to restrain the defendants from. 
taking any steps towards the assessment of taxes upon the property of said 
road, or the collection thereof. The defendants demurred to the bill upon the 
ground that it set forth no ground of action or complaint against them. The&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/849</title>
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secured, and the plow is held in an upright position, but this had 
been done by Weir and other inventera long before any of the com- 
plainants' patents were issued. 
The patents of Sehroeder, Eichholtz, Norton, Pattee, and Poling 
all seem to me, from the proof, to be mere combinations of old parts, 
and, as I have said, may be valid as such combinations; but the 
defendant had the same right to combine other, or the same parts, 
80 long as it did not use the same combination shown in complain- 
ants' patents, which I find it does not. 
The bill is dismissed for want of equity. 
The Tubal Gain. 
(District Court, S. D. New York. Kovember 17, 1881.) 
1 Res Adjudicata— State Courts— Estoppel—Supplbmkktai, Akswbr— Ad- 
MIBALTY — EVIDEHCB — 8tAY OF PKOCBKDINaS. 
Where the substantial isstie in tWo actions is the same, although the partic- 
ular claims or causes of action be different, a trial and judgment upon the 
merits in the one action may be pleaded or given in evidence as an estoppel 
upon the same matter in the otlier. 
The rule is the same, though the one action be in admiralty and the other in 
a State court or a foreign iurisdiction. 
Where the owners of the brig T. C. chartered her to W. &amp; Co. to proceed to 
Turk's island for a cargo of sait, to befurnished with quick dispatch, and the 
brig went there, and, after waiting eight days for a cargo, and none being fur- 
nished, returned to New York, refusing to wait longer or to go elsewhere for 
a cargo, as desired by W. &amp; Co. ; and the owners thereupon sued the char- 
terers in a state court for breach of the contract in not f urnishing the cargo as 
agreed, and the charterers then sued the owners by libel in this court for 
breach of the contract in not waiting longer or going elsewhere for a cargo as 
desired, and the defendants in eaoh case set up a breach of the charter-party 
by the opposite side : hdd, that the substantial issue in each action was the 
same, and that a judgment in favor of the plaintiiis, after a trial by jury in the 
state court, might be set up as an estoppel in favor of the defendants in the 
action pending in this court ; that leave should be given to sel up the recovery 
of such judgment by supplemental answer ; and, as there was an appeal pend- 
ing from the judgment in the state court, the cause, on being reached for trial 
in this court, should be stayed until the determination of the appeul. 
In Admiralty. 
Beche, Wilcox dt Ilobbs, for libellants. 
Hill, Wlng J: Skoudy, for respondents. 
Brown, D. J. a motion is made for leave to tile a supplemental 
answer setting up a judgment recently reeovered m a state court, in 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/885</title>
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and the suffering condition of the petitioner. I am of opinion that 
the Btatement of the witness is not unreaaonable. He was but a sliort 
distance from him, and immediately sprang to him, and most probably 
made the inquiry before he was aware of the extent of the injury, and 
the answer was made when the facts were present before the mind of 
the petitioner. 
The most satisfactory conclusions as to the real occurrences imme- 
diately preceding and at the time of the collision are to be drawn 
from the statement made in evidence by the petitioner himself, and 
his declaration made soon after to Dr. Vaughn and the physical facts 
attending it, as shown by the evidence and uncontroverted. The peti- 
tioner, in his deposition, in reply to the question as to how the injury 
complained of was occasioned, made the following answer : &quot;As I got 
near the railroad crossing my horse became very much frightened at 
seeing the locomotive approaching, and I pulled the reins to stop him, 
but he was so excited I failed, or could not stop him. I said 'whoa' 
to him twice. He did not stop at all; The engine was then imme- 
diately in front of him. I then became wonderfully excited myself to 
see how I could escape myself. The-street was too narrow; I could 
not turn round. I saw the horse was determined to go forward, and, 
believing it was the only chance to save my life was to let him go, I 
slackened the rein and he darted violently forward. The cow-catcher, 
to the best of my knowledge, struck the wagon at the hind wheels 
and threw me 12 or 15 feet forward on the street. I was knocked 
senseless, and do not know anything more about the particulars.&quot; 
Dr. Vaughn testifies — 
&quot; That soon after the collision he was called to dress the petitioner's wounds, 
when he asked the petitioner as to the manner of their infliction. He replied 
that he had been run over by a locomotive at the crossing at St. John street 
and throwninto theditch nearby; that the rear of the wagon had been struck 
by the locomotive; that, hearing the bell and the locomotive coming, he tried 
to stop his horse ; that the more he pulled the f aster the horse went. Finding 
that he could not stop him, he tried to cross the track by driving him up, with 
the resuit as stated.&quot; 
James Sykes testifies — 
&quot;That after the accident petitioner stated to him that he was driving his wagon, 
not thinking of the engine or cars until he approached near the corner of the 
warehouse ; that he heard no bell is what I think he said, or, as I now reoollect, 
hesaid he heard no noise; that the engine came suddenly by, or came in sight 
orview bf his horse, who became very much frightened, and he gave him a 
eut with a whip to make him jump across the road ahead of the engine_ 
which he thought was his only safety.&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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kind, and then show, as nearly as possible, the extent of depreciation 
from use. But this course was not open to plaintiff, for the goods 
were in defendant's possession, probably not in a condition to be 
examined, and plaintiff was not bound to inquire whether he would 
be allowed to send witnesses to inspect them. If it ia suggested 
that a dealer, hearing a description of the articles, would be able to 
fix their value, the answer may be that few persons would be able to 
give a description which can be understood. The average man would 
find himself very much embarrassed in any effort to describe furniture 
and other articles of household use deunitely, so as to enable one who 
never saw them to judge of their value. No one in Colorado knew 
anything of these goods, and among plaintiff's acquaintances in 
Zanesville he could not expect to find any one more competent than 
himself to testify as to their value. On the whole, it would seem that 
if plaintiff's testimony as to value cannot be accepted, he will be 
defeated of his right, and that will not be allowed. In the matter of 
values, as in other matters, the law will give relief, according to the 
injury, on the beat testimony that can be obtained. Stickney v. Allen, 
10 Gray, 352; Starkey v. Kelley, 50 N. Y. 676. 
On the other hand, defendant, being in possession of the goods, was 
in a position to prove their value in a manner which would dispel all 
doubts. It attempted to do this, but the evidence is not very satis- 
factory. The goods were not in a condition to be examined with 
care, and defendant's witnesses did not give the attention necessary 
to correctly estimate their value. Evidence of the value in thii 
market of new goods of the same kind, which would have enlightened 
the jury, was not offered by either party, and if the verdict is wrong 
the fault is not wholly with the jury. There is, however, some reason 
to believe that the amount returned is large, and the plaintiff will be 
required to remit $500, or submit to a new trial. 
The evidence of value offered by defendant was probably entitled 
to greater weight than was allowed to it, although it cannot be said 
that it should control. If the plaintiff will remit from the damages 
the sum of $500&gt; the verdict may stand, otherwise a new trial will 
be allowed. 
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parts of the route, and as the Eio G-rande Company was to complete 
the contract, its coupon was the last of the series, and connected with 
the general provisions constituting the contract. All of them were 
in substance like those issued by the Missouri Pacifie Eailway Com- 
pany, in the following form : 
MISSOURI PACIFIC EAILWAY. 
This Ticket entitles the holder to one First-Class 
Passage 
TO TRINIDAD, COLORADO. 
This Ticket is void unless offlcially staniped 
and dated. In selling this Ticket for Passage 
over other roads, this company acts only as 
Agent, and assumes no responsibility beyond its 
own line. This Company assumes no risk on 
baggage, except for wearing apparel, and limits 
its responsibility to $100 in value. AU baggage 
exceeding that value will be at the risk of the 
owner unless taken by special, contract. The 
ehecks belonging to this Ticket will be void if 
detached. F. E. Fowler, 
FORM 307. Acting Gen'l Passsenger Agent. 
FORM 307. 
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It will be observed that there are no conditions as to the time of 
performing the journey, or as to the right of the purchaser to trans- 
fer the ticket to another. It entitles the holder &quot;to one first-class 
passage&quot; from the place of departure, which, in this instance, was 
St. Louis, Missouri, to Trinidad, Colorado. 
At its office in Denver, for a month or more, the defendant re- 
deemed tickets similar to these in all respects, paying therefor local 
rates from Denver to the points named in the tickets. It was not 
then contended that the right was limited to the original purchaser, 
but payment was made to the holder, and many of them were pre- 
sented by the plaintifif himself, who received the money for them. 
The tickets in suit were bought by plaintifif, who calls himself a 
&quot;ticket broker,&quot; in the expectation that defendant would redeem them 
as had been done with others of the same class. As to these tickets, 
defendant's agent at first requested plaintiff to hold them a few days 
until money should be received for redeeming them, and, after four 
days, defendant absolutely refused to redeem them. Meantime 
plaintiff had bought others of the same class, amounting in all to 
the sum in controversy, and after defendant refused them he bought 
no more. 
As to what may be a fair deduction from this proceeding, concern- 
ing defendant's liability, there is not much room for discussion.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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capitally. Hence, in tins particular, it must be conceded that there 
was not embraced in the purview of the constitution any offences 
denominated &quot;capital&quot; exccpt those which might thereafter be so 
declared by congressional enactment. If this be so, why should a 
different rule obtain as to the so-called &quot;inf amous crimes &quot; designated 
in the same amendment ? The rule governing the two should be the 
same. 
If regard is had to the then existing common law and British stat- 
utes, as fully explained in the cases cited, it may be considered as 
settled that the treason, felony, and crimenfalsi were inf amous. To 
every student of legal history it is well known that many offences 
now considered trivial, comparatively, were in England denominated 
felonies, and once made capital, while many other and graver crimes 
were designated misdemeanors, and followed by milder punishments. 
As at the date of the constitutional amendments it .remained for 
congress to. name offences and prescribe punishments therefor, is it 
to be held that every offence by it defined must take either its 
classification or punishment ex necessitate from the English System, 
or solely from congressional provisions ? 
Originally a felony was an offence which was followed by for- 
feiture, yet a century ago the English courts repudiated that test, 
and 80 have the American courts since. It is said that it is not the 
grade of the punishment, but the nature and quality of the offence, 
which must determine its classification. If so the rule is very uncer- 
tain. Many offences comparatively trivial were felonies, and punish- 
able at common law with death and forfeiture, which at the present 
time are not felonies or so puniahable either in England or the United 
States. It must be observed that the constitutional amendment 
under review does not use the word &quot;felony.&quot; True, at common law 
all felonies were infamous, but as the constitution did not adopt the 
penal code of the common law, and as consequently there are no 
common-law crimes against the United States, how does it happen 
that whatever was in common law a felony cornes to be infamous 
when an offence of a like nature is declared to be an offence — but not 
a felony or infamous — against the United States, punishable only as 
the latter had enaoted. 
Although forfeitures ceased to be the consequence of most felonies 
before the adoption of the United States constitution, yet the designa- 
tion &quot;felony&quot; remained. Still, are we to hold that all felonies under 
the United States constitution and statutes are to be held infamous, 
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United States v. subgbss.* 
{District Uourt, E. B. Missouri. January 30, 1882.) 
1. CoNSTiTUTioNAL Law— Inpamous Cp.imes— Conspiract to Makb Cotjnterpbit 
CotN — Pbactich — Inpormatiok. 
A conspiracy to make counterfeit coin is not an infamous crime, within the 
meaning of article 5 of the amendments to the United States constitution, and 
may be prosecuted by information. 
Motion in Arrest of Judgment. 
Drummond e Smith, for the United States, 
Paul Bakewell and E. M. Stewart, for defendant. 
Tbeat, D. J. An information was filed against the defendant for 
conspiracy to make counterfeit coin, whereupon a trial was had, and 
conviction followed. Many of the points considered in the case of 
Wynn, ante, 886, are involved in the question now presented. So far as 
the views of the court are stated in that case, they need not now be 
repeated. 
Under the common law a conspiracy was not intamous tmless it 
was for the subversion of justice, by the obstruction of its adminis- 
tration through perjury, subornation of perjury, spiriting away of 
witnesees, etc. Hence, if a like oiienee is by congressional enact- 
ment denounced a crime, without attendant consequences involving 
infamy, the same can be prosecuted by information. 
If the common-law rule were to obtain, the crime chargea would 
not be infamous, inasmuch as the alleged conspiracy, under section 
5440, Eev. St., is not to subvert or obstruct the administration of 
justice through its administration in the courts. 
It has been forcibly urged that a conspiracy to commit a felony 
which, if committed, would fall within the rule of crimenfalsi, should, 
under the statute (6440) as to overt acts, be held to come within that 
rule. By what has been said in the case of Wynn, no such rule 
would prevail. If congress denounces a speciiied offence a felony it 
is so; not because like offenees were such under the English law, but 
because congress chose so to make it. In this case, to commit which 
offence the conspiracy is charged, strange to say, the acts of congress 
have been frequently changed. In England there was, for technical 
reasons, a marked distinction between false eoining and passing false 
coins. In the early statutes of the United States, counterfeiting coin 
was declared to be a felony, but in the re-enactment of these statutes 
*Reported by B. F. Rex, Esq., of the St. Louis bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 9.djvu/919</title>
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iff, who became answerable for ita value to the execution creditors. 
Hunt V. Breading, 12 Serg. &amp; K. 41; Hartlich v. McLane, 44 Pa. St. 
510. Indeed, as respects other creditors, the seizure of goods in 
execution is said to be a satisfaction, pro tanto, of the plaintifs 
judgment, unless without fault of his own he is deprived of the fruit 
of his levy. Duncan v. Harris, 17 Serg. &amp; E. 435; Lyon y. Hamp- 
ton, 20 Pa. St. 46. 
In every point of view I think the prohibitory clause of section 
5075 is inapplicable to this case, and I am constrained to dissent 
from the conclusion of the register. 
Andnow, January 31, 1882, the order of the register in this nat- 
ter is set aside, and it is ordered that the Eaton, Cole &amp; Burnham 
Company be admitted to make proof of its claim. 
Shedd v. Washbubn and others. 
{Oireuit Court, D. Massachusetts, January 28, 1882.) 
1. Lbtters Patent— Fastbnehs por Shutters — Validitt. 
Letters patent No. 166,819, for an improvement in fasteners for shutters, are 
net invalid for want of novelty. 
2. NOVELTT — UtILITY — EXTBNSIVE USE. 
Extensive use is, of itself, some evidence of novelty and utility. 
In Equity. 
Tlios. H. Dodge, for complainant. 
John L. S. Roberts, for defendants. 
LowELL, D. J. The plaintiff describes and claims in his patent, 
No. 166,819, an improvement in fasteners for shutters, or blinds, 
made of wire, and fully shown in the drawings, and by a description 
which would hardly be intelligible without the drawings. The defend- 
ants make and sell this precise article ; and the only question in the 
case is whether the plaintiff has a valid patent, no matter of how 
limited a scope. In my opinion, he may hold a narrow claim for the 
very article which he describes. Other fasteners for shutters and 
blinds had been made of a single piece of wire, but none which had 
the several elements of his claim similarly combined. The claim is 
for &quot;a wire blind fastener, having a horizontal spring arm, A', pro- 
jecting end, G, inclined or brace arm, E', intermediate coil spring, E, 
and horizontal eye, F ; the same being constructed and adapted to be 
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eette, such revolving end rosette and screw being practically one piece 
and revolving together. In order to prevent the screw and the rosette 
from being carried bodily towards the fixed jaw by the sliding of the 
adjustable jaw on the main bar, a noteh an long as the width of the 
periphery of the rosette waa eut in or out of the substance of the main 
bar opposite the place intended for the permanent position of the 
rosette, and the periphery of the rosette turned within the notch so that 
the edge of the rosette face nearest to the fixed jaw would catch against 
the edge of the notch, the angle of the notch being towards the fixed 
jaw. But while this Coes wrenchof 1841 had advantages, it had dif- 
ficulties. There was a pressure against the plate by the rosette face 
furthest from the fixed jaw and by the end of the screw in its bear- 
ing, and thus the back strain or thrust from the bite of the jaws was 
commuuicated through the adjustable jaw, its attachment, the screw 
and th« plate, to the ferrule, and so to the wooden handle, before it 
reached the main bar through the screw nut at the handle end. The 
plate and the ferrule were often broken or bent and pushed out of 
place and the wooden handle was split or crushed. It became desir- 
able, therefore, to devise a way of taking oflf this back-thrust before 
it could reach the plate or the ferrule and thus the wooden handle, 
and of bringing it against the resisting strength of the main bar itself 
between the plate and the fixed jaw. Taft did this by his invention 
of 1863. He took the Coes wrench of 1841, with its main bar, fixed 
jaw, adjustable jaw, attachment thereto, screw, bearing, plate, fer- 
rule, wooden handle, screw nut, and extension of main bar, all as they 
were, and, in place of one rosette, he put inthree parallel rosettes, with 
narrower peripheries, revolving, at right angles to the Une of motion 
of the adjustable jaw, in three parallel grooves in the adjacent face of 
the main bar, each groove bearing against both faces of its rosette, so 
as not only to prevent the rosette and the screw from being carried 
bodily towards the fixed jaw, but to cause the back-thrust to be re- 
ceived by the side of the groove furthest from the fixed jaw, instead 
of, as before, by the plate. The grooves being eut in the main bar, 
the baek-thrust was intercepted by them, and the plate and the fer- 
rule and thus the wooden handle were relieved from all liability to 
injury from the back-thrust, while the rosette was retained in the same 
relative position to the handle which it had in the Coes wrench of 
1841. In the original patent of 1863 the plate and the ferrule to- 
gether are called the ferrule, e, and it is stated that by the new 
arrangement the pressure which would otherwise come on the ferrule is 
taken off from it, such pressure being &quot;often so great as to break it off,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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rence may have arisen from the default of another? Suppose, for 
example, that in attempting to escape from an impending collision a 
vessel sustains damage by reason of defective steering apparatus or 
rigging, from which she would have escaped had it been sufficiently 
provided. Or suppose that, being oompelled to slip her anchor, she 
might readily have secured her safety had she been provided with 
proper lines and hawsera, but owing to the entire absence of these 
she is stranded. Or suppose that she is overladen and unmanage- 
able, and from that cause unable to execute a maneuver which she 
might otherwise have safely accomplished, 
It would seem that in these and similar cases that when a vessel 
is endangered by the fault of another, and is unable to secure her 
safety through the want of the usual and proper appliances and 
means, she is herself as much in fault as if her inability cornes from 
the want of proper skill and diligence on the part of her officers and 
crew. But if her inability has been the resuit of a peril of the sea 
or vis major, the consequences of which she has been unable to rem- 
edy, then her defective means should not be imputed to her as a 
fault. 
It is unnecessary to pursue this discussion further. Perhaps what 
has already been said is superfiuous, as it is certainly ohiter. In my 
judgment the accident in this case is not to be attributed to the 
negligence of the Austria, but to &quot;inevitable accident.&quot; Numerous 
authorities deflning the meaning of this term, and illustrating its 
application, have been cited at the bar. It will be sufficient to quote 
the language of the supreme court in a single case : 
&quot; Inevitable accident,&quot; says tJie court, &quot; is where a vessel is pursuing a law- 
f ul avocation in a lawful nianner, using the proper precautions against danger, 
and an accident occurs. The Mghest degree of caution that can be used is not 
required. It is enough that it is reasonable under the cireumstances ; such as 
is usual in similar cases, and has been found by long experience to be surticient 
to answer the end in view — the safety of life and property.&quot; The Braoe Qird- 
ler, 7 Wall. 203. 
The Austria was made fast to the wharf by a gang of stevedores, 
under the direction of Capt. Batchelder, a master stevedore of 30 
years' standing, assisted by two foremen of great experience. 
It is unnecessary to enumerate the various chains and hawsers by 
which she was attached to the wharf. In the judgment of all con- 
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Dinsmore v. Denver &amp; R. G. R Oo.. 210 
Dinsmore v. Missouri, K. &amp; T. By. 
Co 210 
D. M. Anthony, The 760 
Dobson, Bigelow Carpet Co. v 385 
Dobson, Hartford Carpel Co. v...... 385 
Doxford, The 683 
Doyle V. United States 269 
Duncan v. Greenwalt 8U0 
Dunn, Youngv 717 
Ebbs, United States v 369 
Bhret v. Pierce 653 
Ellis, Marion v 410 
Bvana v. Paxon j . . . . 312 
Faulks y. Kamp 675 
Paxon, Evans v 312 
First Nat. Bank of Eittanning, Lin- 
ton v 894 
Fish, Paddock V 125 
Fisher v. Meyer 268 
Flagg T. Manhattan Ry. Co 413 
Gaylord v. Copes 827 
Garrett, Hammerschlag v 479 
Gauche v. London &amp; Laiicashire Ins. 
Co 347 
Glaramara, The 678 
Goldman v. Conway County 888 
Gold Park Mining Co., Henry t. . . . 11 
Qottf ried v. Miller 471 
GraHam, Burgess v 216 
Grand Republic, The 398 
Qravelle v. Minneapolis &amp; St. L. Ry. 
Co 711 
Gregory v. Chicago, M. &amp; St. P. 
R. R 529 
Greene v. Klinger, (three cases,) .... 689 
Greenwalt v. Tucker 884 
Greenwalt, Duncan v 800 
Guimaraea, Carao v 783 
Guiteau's Case 161 
Gunther v. Liverpool, London &amp; 
Globe Ins. Co 830 
Hallett, Barber v 130 
Hammerschlag v. Garrett 479 
Hammond v. Olmstead Bros 223 
Hammond, Torrens V 900 
Hannon v. Sommer. ■. 601 
Harden, United States v 802 
Hardy v. Marble 752 
Harris v. Chicago, M. &amp; St. P. R. R. 529 
Harris v. Hess 263 
Harrison, Third Nat. Bank t., (two 
cases,) 243 
Hartford Carpet Co. v. Dobson 385 
Hartford, P. &amp; P. R. Co., Mason ▼. . 334 
Hart V. Thayer 746 
Harvey v. Lord 236 
H. 0. Yaeger Transp. Co., The, 
Memphis&amp; St. LouisPacketCo. T.. 395 
Pag» 
Heath, White ▼ 291 
Henderson, In re 385 
Henry Chape], The 777 
Henry v. Gold Park Mining Co 11 
Hess, Harris V 263 
Hibernia 1ns. Co. v. St. Louis &amp; N. 
O. Transp. Co 596 
Hinsdale-Doyle Granite Co. v. Tilley. 799 
Hitchcock, Lewis v 4 
Hostetter v Adams 838 
Howe Machine Co., Wooster v 666 
Hubbard v. Bellew 849 
Uuntington, Providence Savings 
Bank v., (two cases,) 871 
Imhaeuser, Bucrk v 60» 
Indianapolis &amp; St. L. R. Co.,Keepv. 454 
lowa &amp; Mian. Const. Co., Boone v. . 401 
lowa &amp; Minn. Const, Co. , In re 401 
Irish, Van Hoven v 13 
Irvine, McKay v 725 
Irzo v. Perkina 779 
Jacobs V. Ousatonic Water Co 82G 
J. B. Camors &amp; Co., Watts v 146 
Jennings v. Kibbe 669 
John Dere &amp; Co. v. Btrother &amp; E. 
Conklin 406 
Jones, United States v 469 
Justices of Lauderdale County, 
United States ex rel. Watts v 460 
Kamp, Faulks ▼ 675 
Karns v. Atlantic &amp; Ohio R. Co. ... 309 
Keep T. Indianapolis &amp; St. L. R. Co. 454 
Keep V. Union Railway &amp; Transit 
Co 454 
Kensett v. Sti vers 517 
.Kershaw v. Town of Hancock 541 
Kerting v. American Oleograph Co. 17 
Keyes, United States v 876 
Kibbe, Jennings v 669 
Klinger, Greene v., (three cases,) 689 
Kountz Line, Citizens' 1ns. Co. v. . . 768 
Krum, United States v 823 
Lanning v. Lockett 451 
Lebanon Manuf'g Co., Mengis v. . . . 6G-'i 
Lee, Hyan v 917 
Leipsic, The 58.5 
Leversons, The • 753 
Lewis V. Hitchcock 4 
Liegeois v. McCracken 664 
Life Ass'n of America, Rundel v. ... 720 
Lindsay v. Stein 907 
Lindsay, Gracie &amp; Co. v. Cusimano. . 302 
Linton v. First Nat. Bankof Kiitan- 
nlng 894 
Liveipool, London &amp; Globe 1ns. Co., 
Guntherv 830 
Lockett, Lanning v 461 
London &amp; Lancashire 1ns. Co., 
Gauchev 347&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Biouz City &amp; St. P. R. Co., Chicago, 
M. &amp;St. P. Ry Co. V 435 
Sixty.flve Terra Cotta Vases 880 
Small, Case v 722 
Sommer, Hannon v 601 
Southern Express Co. v. Memphis &amp; 
L.B.R. Co 210 
Southern Express Co. v. St. Louis, I. 
M, &amp;S. Ky. Co 210, 869 
Spill V. Celluloid Manuf g Co 290 
Star Sait Caster Co. v. Alden 555 
State of Missouri v. Tiedermann .... 20 
Stein, Lindsay v 907 
Stivers, Kensett v 617 
St. Louis, I. M. &amp; S. Ry. Co., South- 
ern Express Co. v 210, 869 
St. Louis &amp; N. 0. Transp. Co., Hi- 
bernia Ins. Co. v 596 
Stockton V. Maddock 132 
Strother &amp; Conklin, Buford &amp; Co. v. 406 
Strother &amp; E. Conklin, John Dere 
&amp; Co. T 406 
Tanner, Olney V 101 
Texas &amp; St. L. Ry. Co., Missouri, K. 
&amp;T. Ry. Co. V 497 
Thames, The 848 
Thayer, Hart v 746 
Third Nat. Bank v. Harrison, (two 
cases,) 243 
Thompson, Allen &amp; Co. v 116 
Thompson, Mcintyre V 531 
Tiedermann, State of Missoxiri v. . . . 20 
TifEt V. Sharp 673 
Tilley, Hinsdale-Doyle Granite Oo. v. 799 
Toledo, P. &amp; W. R. Co.,Secorv.... 15 
Torrens v, Hammond 900 
Town of Hancock, Kershaw v 541 
Town of Hancock, McCallv 8 
Town of Shawangunk, Carrier v . . . . 220 
Tucker, Greenwalt v 884 
Tufts V. Matthews 609 
Turnure, United States v 642 
Two Marys, The 919 
Ullman v. Meyer 241 
Union Bailway&amp; Transit Co.,Keepv. 454 
United States v, Bartow 873, 874 
United States v. Bunton. 730 
United States v. Campbell 816 
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United States v. Central Nat. Bank. 612 
United States v. De Visser 642 
United States v. Ebbs 369 
United States v. Harden 802 
United States v. Jones 469 
United States v. Keyes 876 
United States v. Krum 823 
United States v. Long 879 
United States v. Mullan 785 
United States v. Odeneal 616 
United States v. Roberts 540 
United States v. Schindler 547 
United States v. Turnure 642 
United States v. Wickersham 505 
United States, Bates v 92 
United States, Doyle v 269 
United States ex rel. Watts v. Jus- 
tices of Lauderdale County 460 
Vaiden, Hawkins &amp; Roberts, Seale v. 831 
Valette Dry-dock, Cope v 142 
Van Hoven v. Irish 13 
Vermont Farm Machine Co. v. Con- 
verse 825 
Vigilant, The 765 
Virginia Pire &amp; Marine Ins. Co., 
Moch V 696, 710 
Walsh, Preston v 315 
Waller v. Northern Assurance Co.. 232 
Warder, In re 276 
Warne, In re 377 
Waters, Crane v 619 
Watts V. J. B. Camors &amp; Co 145 
Wellington, Whiting v 810 
Werner V. Reinhardt 676 
Whalen v. Sheridan 661 
White V. Arthur 80 
White V. Heath 291 
Whiting V. Wellington 810 
Wickersham, United States v 505 
Williams, Benedict v 208 
Wolfe &amp; Co., In re 383 
Wooster v. Howe Machine Co 666 
Worley v. Northwestern Masonic Aid 
Ass'n 227 
Worthington, Dickinson v 860 
Young Y. Dunn .... 717&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Baltz, New Process Fermentation 
Co.v 289 
Bigelow Carpet Co. v. Dobson 385 
Dobson, Bigelow Carpet Co. v 385 
Dobson, Hartford Carpet Co. v. 385 
Garrett, Hammerschlag v 479 
Hammerschlag v. Garrett 479 
Hartford Carpet Co. v. Dobson 385 
Karns V. Atlantic &amp; Ohio R. Co.... 309 
New Process Fermentation Co. v. 
Baltz 289 
PhiladelphiaWarehouse Co., Sharp v. 379 
Sharp v.Pliiladelphia Warehouse Co. 379 
DisTBiCT Court, E. D. Pbnnstlvahia. 
Carao v. Guimaraes.... 783 
Guimaraes, Carao v 783 
Lord Clive, The 135 
Warne, In re 377 
Wolfeife Co., Inre 383 
CmCUIT OOUBT, W. D. PENUSrLTAIOA.. 
First Nat. Bank of Kittanning, Lin- 
tonv 894 
Linton v. First Nat. Bank of Kittan- 
ning 894 
POUBTH CIECUIT. 
CiBcurr Court, D. Martland. 
Dickinson v. Worthington 860 
Hammond, Torrens v 900 
Torrens v. Hammond 900 
Worthington, Dickinson v 860 
District Court, D. Maetland. 
Leversons, The 753 
Circuit Court, W. D. North Oarouha. 
Mcintyre v. Thompson 531 
Thompson, Mcintyre v 631 
District Court, W.D. North Carolika. 
• 
Ebbs, United States v 369 
Harden, United States v 802 
United States v. Ebbs 369 
United States v. Harden 802 
Circuit Court, E. D. Virginia. 
Moch V. Virginia Fire ifc Marine Ins. 
Co 696,710 
Pag« 
Virginia Fire &amp; Marine Ins. Co., 
Mochv 696, 710 
District Court, E. D. Virginia. 
Mary Stewart, The 137 
Sandringham, The 656 
FIFTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, E. D. GKOHdtA. 
Long, United States v &quot; 879 
United States v. Long 879 
Circuit Court, S. D. Georgia, &quot;W. D. 
Lanning v. Lockett 451 
Lockett, Lanning v 451 
Cnicurr Court, E. D. Louisiana. 
Alabama, The 394 
Casev. Small 722 
Centennial, The 397 
Copes, Gaylord v 827 
Culllford &amp; Clark, Maury &amp; Co. v. . . 388 
De Smet, The 483 
BUis, Marion v 410 
Gauche V. London &amp; Lanc. Ins. Co.. 347 
Gaylord v. Copes 827 
J. B. Camors &amp; Co., &quot;Watts v 145 
Life Ass'n of America, Rundel v . . . . 720 
London &amp; Lancashire Ins. Co., 
Gauche V 347 
Marion v. Ellis 410 
Maury &amp; Co. v. Culliford &amp; Clark . . 388 
New Orleans Nat. Banking Ass'n v. 
P. S. Wiltz &amp; Co 330 
Posey V. ScoviJle 140 
P. 8. Wiltz &amp; Co., New Orleans Nat. 
Banking Ass'n v 330 
Rundel v. Life Ass' n of America .... 720 
Scoville, Posey V 140 
Small, Case v 722 
Watts V. J, B. Camors &amp; Co 145 
District Court, E. D. Louisiana. 
Citizens' Ins. Co. v. Kountz Line. .. 768 
Cope V. Vallette Dry-dock 142 
Cusimano, Lindsay, Gracie &amp; Co. v.. 302 
Kountz Line, Citizens' Ins. Co. v. . . 768 
Lindsay-, Gracie &amp; Co. v. Cusimano. . 302 
Valette Dry-dock, Cope v 142 
District Court, N. D. Mississippi. 
Seale v. Vaiden, Hawkins &amp; Roberts. 831 
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CiEouiT CouET, E. D. Texas. 
Dunn, Young v 717 
Greene v. Klinger, (three casea,) .... 689 
Klinger, Greene v., (three cases,).. . . 689 
Youngv. Dunn 717 
CmcuiT CouBT, N. D. Tkxab. 
Missouri, K. &amp; T. Ry. Co. v. Texas 
&amp;St. L. Ry. Co 497 
Texas &amp; St. L. Ry. Co., Missouri, K. 
&amp;T. Hy. Co.v 497 
CiKcuiT Court, W. D. Texas. 
Preston v. Walsh 315 
Walsli, Prestoav... 315 
SIXTH CIECUIT. 
CiKCUiT CotiBT, 8. D. Ohio, E. d. 
Aniierson v. ShaSer 266 
Shafifer, Andersen v 266 
Circuit Coukt, 8. D. Ohio, W. D. 
Buntin, United States v 730 
Henderson, In re 385 
Roberts, Dnited States v 540 
United States v. Buntin 730 
United States v. Roberts 540 
CiKcuiT Court, W. D. Testnbsshe. 
Justices of Lauderdale County, 
United States ex rel. Watts V 460 
Pulliam V. Pulliam 23, 53 
Pulliam, Pulliam v 23, 53 
United States ex rel. Watts v. Jua- 
' tices of Lauderdale County 460 
United States v. Wickersham 505 
Wickersham, United States v 505 
District Court, W. D. Tenhessee. 
Allen «S; Co. v. Thompson 116 
Thompson, Allen &amp; Co. v 116 
SEVENTH CIRCUIT. 
CrRCDiT Court, N. D. Illinois. 
41drich V. Crouch 305 
American Oleograph Co., Kerting v. l7 
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Bates V. United States 92 
Crouch, Aldrich v 305 
Doyle V. United States 269 
Evans v. Faxon 312 
Faxon, Evans v 312 
Harvey v. Lord 236 
Hinsdale-Doyle Granite Co. v. Tilley. 79!) 
Irvine, McKay v 725 
Kerting v. American Oleograph Co. 17 
Lord, Harvey V 236 
McKay v. Irvine 725 
Secor V. Toledo, P. &amp; W. R. Co . . . . 15 
Tilley, Hinsdale-Doyle Granite Co. v. 799 
Toledo, P. &amp; W. R. Co. , Secor v. . . , 15 
United States, Bates v 92 
United States, Doyle v 269 
District Court, N. D. Illinois. 
Artt, Osgoodv 365 
Osgood V. Artt 365 
Circuit Court, E. D. Wiscoksin. 
Gottfried v. Miller 471 
Miller, Gottfried V 471 
District Court, E. D. Wisconsis. 
Scotia, The 684 
Circuit Court, W. D. Wisconsdi. 
Bellew, Hubbardv 849 
Bookwalter v. Clark 793 
Clark, Bookwalter v 793 
Hubbardv. Bellew 849 
EIGHTH CIECUIT. 
Circuit Court, E. D. Arkansas. 
Cissell V. Pulaski County 891 
Conway County, Goldman v 888 
Goldman v. Conway County 888 
Memphis &amp; L. R. R. Co. , Overton y. 866 
Memphis &amp; L. R. R. Co., Southern 
Express Co. v 210 
Overton v. Memphis &amp; L. R. R. Co. . 866 
Pulaski County, Cissell v ». 891 
Southern Express Co. v. Memphis &amp; 
L. R.R. Co 210 
Circuit Court, D. Colorado. 
Denver &amp; R. G. R. Co., Dinsmore y. 210 
Dinsmore v. Denver &amp; K. G. R. Co.. 210 
Gold Park Mining Co., Henry v. . . . 11 
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J. H. Choate, for plaintiff. 
C. M. Da Costa, for defendants. 
Blatchfoet), g. J. This is a suit in equity. Issue was ioinecl by 
the filing of a replication to the answer, December 1, 1879. On the 
fifth of February, 1881, the plaintiff's solicitors, not having before 
taken any testimony, served a notice in writing on the defendants . 
solicitors that the plaintiff ^ &quot;doBires the evidence to be adduced in 
this cause to be taken orally,&quot;and that witnesses would be esamined 
in the city of NewYorkojiFebrua,ry llth. Two witnesses forthe plain- 
tiff were examined orally under tiiis notice, thelast one in June, 1881. 
The time to take testimony bas been extended, and bas not expired. 
In May, 1881, the defendants' solicitors having been previously 
informed by the plaintiff's solicitors that the latter intended to have 
a commission issued to take in London, England,i.the deposition of 
the plaititiff, who resides in Londdri, gave notice in writing to the 
plaintiff's solicitors that the defendants' solicitors desired to cross- 
examine the plaintiff orally, and requested them to have the commis- 
sion executed during the ensuing July or September, when one of the 
defendants' solicitors would be in London and attend to the matter. 
To this notice no reply was ever received. One of the witnesses so 
examined in New York was the confidential manager of the plaintiff's 
business residing in London, and it appears that the plaintiff bas 
there legal advisers who havo been consulted coaceming the matters 
ift isBxie herein. 
The plaintiff now applies for an order for a commission to examine 
himself on written interrogatories to be annexed to the commission, 
on an afiidavit showing that he expects to prove by himself the ma- 
terial averments in the bill, or many of them. The defendants ask 
that if a commission to examine the plaintiff on written interrogato- 
ries be issued, the defendants have leave to cross-examine the plain- 
tiff orally thereunder. 
By rule 67 in equity, as in force prior to the December term, 1861, 
testimony in suits in equity might be taken by commission on writ- 
ten interrogatories and cross-interrogatories, but by agreement it 
might be taken by oral interrogatories, under a commission. ihis 
applied even to testimony to be taken where a subpœna from the 
court could reach the witness. By rule 68 testimony might also be 
taken in the cause, after it was at issue, by deposition, according to 
the acts of congress. 
Under rule 69 publication of the testimony taken under such com- 
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liave been lent to Trotter without any necessary imputation that she 
got it from the alleged hidden resources. 
Nor can Joel L. Pulliam be charged with the possession of any of 
this treasure by the declarations of his father that he had placed 
some of the paper money injured by its burial in his hands to be 
redeemed at the treasury. The rights of the parties must depend 
vipon their respective interests in the property shown to have had an 
existence at the time of the testator's death, and not upon any spec- 
ulations as to what beoame of large quantities of gold which he 
boasted of having buried during the war, and which each of these 
parties affeet to believe the other has obtained and appropriated. 
The cross-bill will be dismissed when a final decree is entered. 
The question of interest is reserved. The master will calculate it 
as he may think lawful on the facts before him, and report his action 
and the reasons for it. On the eoming in of the report, and its con- 
firmation, the plaintiff will be entitled to a personal decree against 
the executer for whatever amount may be found in her favor on 
account of the legacies given her by the will, less so much of said 
legacies as were necessarily paid in the discharge of lawful debts. 
This disposes of her equity against the executor. Her equities 
against the other legatees and devisees are simple. She is entitled 
to be subrogated to the rights of creditors, so far as her legacies have 
gone to pay their debts, but no further. It is not her legacy which 
is charged upon the residuum of the estate, but the debts, and she is 
entitled to charge the lands or other property only so far as debts 
liave been paid with her money. To that estent (and the master 
will report how this is) her claim will be a lien on the lands, to be 
satisfied first out of those devised to the residuary legatees, and last 
out of the Isbell plantation. I do not see that she has any equity 
against Joel L. Pulliam's eatate for the money paid him, which was 
wrongfnlly paid, becauae barred by the statute of limitations. She 
must look to the executor for that, and has no claim to recover it 
back from the creditor. If the debts were fraudulent, as charged in 
the bill, she would have that right, but they are not. There being no 
regular master in chancery in this court, J, B. Clough, Esq., one of 
the commissioners of the court, will be appointed special master to 
take the account.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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have examined, including all cited in argument, and am content to 
rest my judgment on the principles enunciated in those most favora- 
ble to the executor, Lockhart v. Horn, 1 Woods, 628; S. C. 17 Wall. 
570 ; McKenzie v. Anderson, 2 Woods, 359 ; Ex parte Jones, 4 Cranch, 
185; Green v. Hanberry, 2 Brock. 403; Ventress v. Smith, 10 Pet. 
161 ; Head v. Starke, Chase, Dec. 312 ; Johnson v. Kay, 8 Humph. 
142; Bradshaw v. Cruise, 4 Heisk. 260, 203; McCaleh v. Ferry, 5 
Hayw. 88; Michel v. Brown, 4 Bax. 468; Rockhold v. Blevins, 6 Bax. 
117; Deherry v. Ivey, 2 Jones, Eq. 370; Tyrrell v. Morris, 1 Dev. &amp; 
Bat. Eq. 559; Wynns v. Alexander, 2 Dev. &amp; Bat. Eq. 58; Cannon v. 
Jenkins, 1 Dev. Eq. 426; Williams v. Maitland, 1 Ired. Eq. 92; Whit- 
ley V. Alexander, 73 N. C. 444 ; Bryan v. Milligan, 2 Hill, Cli. 361 
Mikell v. Mikell, 2 Eich. Eq. 220; Teague v. DeacZ?/, 1 McCord, 456 
Lamb v.Lamh, Speers, Eq. 289; Webb \. Bellinger, 2 Desa. Eq. 482 
Hext V. Porcher, 1 Strob. Eq. 170; Boggs v. Adger, 4 Eich. Eq. 412 
Clary v. Sanders, 43 Ala. 287; Harris v. Parker, 41 Ala. 604; McRae 
v.McRae, 3 Bradf. 200, 206; Sc/it(ite v. Z'wZfer, 3 Paige, 1S2; Re 
Butler, 38 N. Y. 397, 400; Thompson v. 7i;y«^i«, 4 Johns. Ch. 619; 
Pierson v. Thompson, 1 Edw. Ch. 212 ; Litchfield v. J&gt;F/ufe, 7 N. Y. 
438; Hasbrouck v. Hasbrouck, 27 N. Y. 182; Mea^i v. Byington, 10 
Vt. 116, 121; Munteith v. 2iate, 14 Wis. 227; iVe/'s Appeal, 57 Pa. 
91; San/orci v. Thorp, 45 Conn. 241. 
INTEEEST ON THE LEGACIE3. 
Schedule C of the report shows the property specifically bequeathed 
to the plaintiff, including the notes and interest on them collected of 
the debtors, to have been $12,430.32. The interest on this irom the 
death of the testator to the filing of the master's report, at 6 percent., 
is $8,051.06, makingthe amount due the plaintiff, principal and inter- 
est, $20,481.38. That specifie legacies bear interest from the date 
of testator's death is settled. Eoper, Legacies, (2d Am. Ed.) 1250 ; 
2 Williams, Ex'rs, (4th Am. Ed.) 1221; Sullivanv. Winthrop, 1 Sumn. 
1; Dardenv. Orgain, 5 Cold. 211; German y. German, 7 Cold. 180; 
Mills v. Mills, 3 Head. 706 ; Jones v. Ward, 10 Yerg. 161 ; Harrison 
V. Henderson, 7 Heisk. 315, 348. 
INTEBEST AGAINST THE EXEOOTOR. 
The master bas not in fact in the aecount charged the executor 
■with interest on any item found against him, but the report and the 
proof show that, deducting the value of the lands, the executor is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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relief where additional circumstances constitute sufficient grounds for 
interposition, and always where there is encouragement, misrepre- 
sentation, or ignorance taken advantage of by the party receiving the 
payment. Bisph. Eq. § 188. Whether the facts here would be held 
to show a mistaks of law as to the legal effect of the supposed request 
for delay, or of facts as to the existence of a valid request, would be a 
nice question if it were necessary to decide it. But, on all the above 
authorities, an agent or attorney employed to manage his client's 
affairs, who, whether by ignorance or design, leads that client to sup- 
pose that, as a matter of law, he can safely make a payment to him- 
self, cannot relieve himself from liability to refund on the ground 
that there has been a voluntary payment made under a mutual mis- 
take of law. 
The executer here had a right to a correct judgment from Joel L. 
Pulliam on that question, and he cannot protect himself against an 
erroneous judgment on sueh a ground. In Lupton v. Lupton, 2 Johns. 
Ch. 626, it was ruled that a legatee receiving more than his share 
must refund in favor of others. David v. Frowd, 1 Myl. &amp; K. 200; 
Williams v. Gibbes, 17 How, 239, 255 ; 2 Williams, Ex'rs, 1244 ; Orr v. 
Kaines, 2 Ves. Sr. 194. It was ruled in Johnson v. Moseby, (MSS. 
opinion, Knoxville, Sept. 1880,) 1 South. Law J. (N. S.) 802, that 
a crediter who, without an iudemnity bond, received more than his 
share, could not upou subsequent insolvency, at the instance of other 
creditors, be oompelled to refund the exeess over his pro rata; while 
in Ewing v. Morey, 3 Lea. 381, where, in insolvency proceedings, a 
crediter received more than his share, he was held to be a trustee as 
to the excesB for the others. But in these cases there was a valid 
and subsisting claim; here there was no valid claim, but, on the 
contrary, one that was extinguished. The distinction is obvions. 
Nor need I conaider the question whether the debt was really extin- 
guished or remained so far obligatory that it would support a pay- 
ment. There is undoubtedly a principle (and it was that misled 
me at the former hearing) that a debt barred by the statute of lim- 
itations or discharged in bankruptcy, will, nevertheless, support a pay- 
ment, or a new promise to pay, after the bar has attached or the 
discharge has taken eflfect. But this must be confined to the ordi- 
nary statute of limitations, and cannot be said of the statutes in 
favor of dead men's estates. As to a new promise to pay, the execu- 
ter or administrator cannot make a valid one after the bar of these 
statutes has attached, and it is settled that he cannot waive this 
statute, while he may the ordinary statute of limitations. Batson v.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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charged with the same duties and in favor of the same creditors, sit- 
ting in a state adjoining, or in the District of Columbia. If the assets 
Bought by the bill are within the oontrol of this court, an independent 
jurisdiction, then the same reasons exist for refusing to aid the com- 
plainant in appropriating them to the exclusion of the whole body of 
creditors who are entitled to the protection of the court in bankruptcy, 
wherever sitting, as much as if the assets were in the District of 
Colurnbia. The case might be different if the complainant had ever 
become so vested with the absolute title to the property as to need no 
further adjudication to determine his rights or to make them available. 
Tvistead of that being the case, it is only in and through a further judg- 
ment of some competent court that it can be ascertained whether he 
has any right or title whatsoever. 
On the other hand, section 4979 and other sections of the bank- 
rupt law indicate a policy to permit, if not to require, all adverse 
claims upon the bankrupt estate to be adjudieated in the courts of 
bankruptcy. If, therefore, the receiver had, prior to the bankruptcy, 
a complete legal title to the property transferred to Tanner, or even 
a complete and perfect legal lien upon it, recognizable by general 
law, then it would seem that the court in bankruptcy is the proper 
forum in which to assert his title or lien, and that it ought to be 
there fully recognized and enforced; whOe, if his title or his lien is 
imperfect or inchoate only, he cannot be entitled to any aid from this 
court or any other court to perfect it, against the interests of other 
creditors, after the commencement of proeeedings in bankruptcy, and 
the vesting of the property in the bankrupt's assignee under section 
5046. 
The essential point in the decision of Booth v. Clarke is that a 
receiver's title to property not reduced to possession and not sup- 
ported by any assignment from the debtor, ia not such a title as will 
prevail in independent tribunals against the interests of other credit- 
ors entitled to its equal protection; and if this doctrine is applied as 
regards the undisputed property of the debtor, it would seem to be 
stJU more applicable to cases where a fraudulent assignment stands 
in the receiver's way, and the prellminary judgment of this court is 
required in aid of his alleged title. 
3. Aside, however, from the question of the receiver's stand- 
ing in this court in such a suit as this, it is clear that he cannot 
maintain this action except upon the basis of his holding the legal 
tii le to the assigned property by virtue of the order of the state court 
ap pointing him receiver prior to the commencement of the proeeed-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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naturally suggest any inquiry or thought or search concerning tb«&gt; 
pecuniary condition of Eugene, who did not appear to have any con- 
nection with the bond and mortgage,&quot;br with the property since the 
gift of it to his mother. 
As all the proceeds of the mortgage went, in fact, into the handa 
Ci !!Iugene Cammeyer, the bankrupt, except the portion paid for 
taxes, the plaintifif is entitled to have those flionoys accounted for by 
the bankrupt in the bankruptcyproceedings. But Lambert, as re- 
spects his mortgage lien, is eiititled to the 'protection of a honafide 
encumbrancer without notice to the extent of $850, the sum actually 
advancedbyhim; and that amOunt, with interest, shouldbe paid him 
ont of the proceeds of the property, with costs; and judgment may 
be entered accordingly. 
Barber v. Hallett. 
{Circuit Court, D, Massachusetts. April 14, 1879.) 
1. Letteks Patent — Cctting Attachments j;ob Skwin&lt;i- Machines — Infrinsk- 
MBNT. &quot; , 
The flrst, second, and eighth claims of reissued letters patent No. 7,860, for 
an improvement in cutting attachments for sewing-machines, the distinguish- 
ing feature of which is the cutting against the edge of the stock in a iine 
parallel with the line of feed, are infringed by the defendant's machine. 
In Equity. 
Wright e Brown, for complainant. 
Chas. H. Drew, for defendant. 
LowELL, C. J. The complainaut is the patentee in reissue No. 
7,860, for an improvement in cutting attachments for sewing-ma- 
chines. The plaintiff, in his specification, declares his invention to 
consist of a reciprocating knife adapted to trim the edges of leather 
or other stock while it is being stitched, and in a line that is parallel 
with the stitching; that before this invention the knife had been 
reciproeated crosswise or against the side of the stock as the latter is 
Bupported on the machine, the knife rising and falling and cutting 
the stock during the downward movement. The mechanism by which 
this cutting or trimming is performed is described with much full- 
iless, and a machine such as the complainant makes and sells is 
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aa it wag not fraudaient, and did not entrap or mislead the defend- 
ants, will not vitiate the eontract, although the actual measurements 
oxceeded the representation by some 100 tons. See Ashburner v. 
Balchen, 3 Selden, 262; Barker v. Windle, 6 Ellis &amp; Black, 675; 
Thomas v. Clarke, 2 Starkie, i50. 
The authorities cited by defendants' proctor all cover cases where 
the misrepresentations affected the time of receivhig or delivering the 
cargo, or of the sailing or arrivai of the veasel, which may well enter 
into the object and consideration of the eontract. To my mind it is 
clear that the defendants were in default for not complying with their 
eontract, and are iiable for the damages resulting. What is the rule 
of damages is to me a very serions question. 
The libellants claim that, as the eontract was entered into in Lou- 
isiana, the law of Louisiana forms part of the eontract, and under 
that law (Civil Code, arts. 2117-2129) the full amount of the stip- 
ulated penalty, the estimated amount of freight, is claimed. The 
defendants claim that the charter-party is an admiralty eontract, to 
be enforced and construed by the settled principles of admiralty law ; 
wherever the eontract is made, that it is usually made on land, must 
be made somewhere, but wherever made, does not change or affect 
the principles of admiralty law which a court of admiralty enforces. 
And they daim, under the admiralty and commercial law, that the 
stipulated penalty in this case in the charter-party should not be 
treated as liquidated damages, but as a mere covenant to pay actual 
damages. 
The learned proctors on each side have made strong arguments, 
well supported by authorities, — that for the libellant being particu- 
larly logieal and forcible, and almost compelling conviction, but for 
the harsh resulta following its application. And it might be here 
noticed that under the Louisiana law, as claimed, it is only where there 
is a total breach that the total amount of the penalty can be exacted. 
SeeEev. Civil Code, art. 2127. 
The rule of damages as claimed by the defendants is the more 
equitable. It is the rule that prevails in the commercial world, and 
ia the one recognized in all the text-books. See 1 Parsons, Adm. 
Law. 247, 248; Story, Cont. § 1022; Sedgw. Dam. 436, § 301; Conk- 
ling, Adm. verho &quot;Affreightments;&quot; Abbott, Ship. 285. 
The harsh rule claimed by libellant may be, and I am inclined to 
think is, the law of Louisiana, (Kev. Civil Code, arts. 2117 et seq.,) 
and in her courts, or on the law side of this circuit court, I might, 
in proper cases, enforce it ; but sitting in admiralty, enforcing admi-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The Blub Bonnet. 
(District Coixrt, S. B. Nm York. Jamiary 9, 1882.) 
1. Collision— DuTT of Bteameb on Appboaching I'ug and Tow. 
Where a steamer is approaching a tug and tow in a dangerous part of a narrow 
stream both are liound to exercise special vigilance and caution. The steamer 
has no right to prooeed unnecessarily, so as to be set possibly by the tide upon 
the tow's sida of the stream, but should stop betimes, if need be, to allow the 
tow to pass. 
2. Bame— Tug and Tow— Dutt of— Danger Signals. 
A tug and tow being in a bend of a narrow stream, and upon the side to vvards 
which the tide directly sets, should not occupy unnecessarily the full hplf of 
the stream. If they do so, the tug is bound to give danger signais upon the 
flrst indication of possible collision, and to change her course betimes and give 
way as much as possible, and stop if neccssary. 
3. Same-t-River Navigation— Both in Fault. 
. Where the ateam-tug B. B,. was coming down the Raritan river againat a 
flood tide with a tow of 14 loaded canal-boats, in all about 95 feet wide by 300 
feet long, attadhed to the tug by hawsers 40 fathoms in length, and waa in a 
bend of the river from 350 to 400 feet wide on the side towards which the flood 
tide was setting from a straight reach below the bend, and the steamer A. was 
coming up the river with Ihe tide, each having proper lights and duly signalled 
by the other when half a mile apart to keep to the right, and where each kept 
on in fui] view of the other's lights, and both ported at al)out the saine time, 
but too late to avoid a blowfrom the tug upon the port quarter of the steamer, 
whereby the course of the latter was so changed as to carry her with the tide 
agaiust the tow, whereby one of the canal-boats was sunk: Held, — upon con- 
tradictory testimony as to the place of the collision in the stream, each Vessel 
clftiming that she was hugging her own side of the river, — that the tow fully 
covered her own half of the stream, and that both the tug and steamer were 
in fault. 
In Admiralty. 
Benedict, Taft e Benedict, ioi iiheWantB. 
Beebe, Wilcox d Hobbs, for the Blue Bonnet. 
Owen e Gray, for the Steamer Annie. 
Brown, D. J. This libel is filed by the owners of the canal -boat 
Cato to recover damages for the loss of the boat and cargo through 
a collision on the Earitan river in the evening of April 7/ 1879. 
The Cato formed one of 14 boats in tow of the steam-tug Blue 
Bonnet, bound from New Brunswick to New York, and attaohed 
by a port and starboard hawser about 40 fathoms long, running to 
each side of the tow. ihere were three tiers of boats — five in the two 
forward tiers, and four in the after tier. The Cato was in the head 
tier, and was the second boat from the port side. They left New 
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sliows a present knowledge of the wrongfulness of the act in itself ; but 
this declaration is of value on this question of knowledge, only in 
case you should believe that he had the same appreciation of the act 
at the time of its commission and disbelieve bis story about the in- 
spiration. 
I have said nearly all that I need say on the subject of insane 
delusion. 
The answer of the English judges, that I have referred to, bas not 
been deemed entirely satisfactory, and the courts have settled down 
upon the question of knowledge of right and wrong as to the particu- 
lar act, or rather the capacity to know it, as the test of responsibility ; 
and the question of insane delusion is only important as it throws 
light upon the question of knowledge of, or capacity to know, the 
right and wrong. 
If a man is under an insane delusion that another is attempting 
bis life, and kills him in self-defence, he does not know that he is 
committing an unnecessary homicide. If a man insanely believes 
that he has a command from the Almighty to kill, it is difficult to 
understand how sueh a man can know that it is wrong for him to do 
it. A man may have some other insane delusion which would be 
quite consistent with a knowledge that such an act is wrong, — such as, 
that he had received an injury, — and he might kill in revenge for it 
knowing that it would be wrong. 
And I have dwelt upon the question of insane delusion, simply 
beca use evidence relating to that is evidence touching the defendant's 
power, or want of power, from mental disease, to distinguish between 
right and wrong, as to the act doue by him, which is the broad ques- 
tion for you to determine, and beeause that is the kind of evidence on 
this question which is relied on by the defence. 
It has been argued with great force, on the part of the defendant, 
that there are a great many things in bis conduct which could never 
be expected of a sane man, and which are only explainable on the 
theory of insanity. The very extravagance of bis expectations in 
connection with this deed — that he would be protected by the men 
he was to benefit, would be applauded by the whole country when his 
motives were made known — has been dwelt upon as the strongest evi- 
dence of unsoundness. 
Whether this and other strange things in his career are really indic- 
ative of partial insanity, or can be accounted for by ignorance of men, 
exaggerated egotism, or perverted moral sense, might be a question&lt;noinclude&gt;
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compared to that given by Guiteau. Vulgar and insolent as the claimant 
was, his vulgarity and insolence were trivial eompared to those whlch Gui- 
teau exhibited to court as well as to counsel. Yet observe, in this respect, the 
contrast: Chief Justice Cockburn sat with a full bejich of associates, in all the 
splendors of his robes and of his high state, in the full consciousness of gifts 
of sarcasm and of invective such as few orators ever possessed, and of gifts 
of cross-examination and of advocacy such as scarcely any lawyer of his day 
could equal. These immense powers of sarcasm and of invective, during a 
trial which lasted a month, he did not shrink from pouring on the elaimant's 
head. The elaimant's coarse wit was turned against him by wit which, if not 
coarse, was at least domineering. The claimaiit's audacity was met by stern 
denunciations and flerce rebuke, which shovved that the judge believed him to 
be guilty and determined to destroy his defence. The trial was a personal 
struggle between the defendant and the chief justice. The defendant, with 
all his cunning and doggedness was overmatched; and yet, when the trial was 
closed by a charge of the chief justice, which now occupies two large volumes, 
and which is the most eonsummate piece of judicial advocacy in existence, it 
was felt that although the defendant was probably guilty, he had not beeu 
fairly tried. Far different, however, is the feeling in respect to Guiteau's case. 
The temptation to Judge Oox to deal impatiently with Guiteau, let it be remem- 
bered, was far greater than was the temptation to Chief Justice Cockburn to 
deal impatiently with the claimant. The elaimant's impudence was slight 
eompared with that of Guiteau. The claimant had a defence on the merits ; 
Guiteau had none. The claimant had a respectable body of adherents. 
Guiteau, with the single exception of a brother-in-law espousing his cause, 
from motives most honorable, but purely exceptional, had not a friend or 
sympathizer, but was the object of the execrations of the entire population of 
the United States. If ever a judge could have been naturally tempted to 
throw his personal force against a prisoner it was in this case of Guiteau. 
If ever personal disgust and contempt of a prisoner could have been naturally 
expected to enter into a judge's heart, it was on Guiteau's trial. So strong 
was this feeling, that, with a very few exceptions, the public press became 
impatient, when day after day Guiteau was permitted to pursue his course of 
unchecked profanity and indeconcy in the management of his own defence; 
and it was more than once stated that articles of impeachment were prepar- 
ing in the house of representatives to test the competency of a judge who had 
permitted such outrages as those which Judge Cox was alleged to have per- 
mitted in the pending trial. The case, it was supposed, was aggravated by 
the fact that there was a reported case in which a federal judge of high 
authority had held that where a defendant on trial behaves so boisteriously 
as to prevent the decent progress of the procedure, he can be removed from 
the court-room and the case go on in his absence. U. S. v. Davis, 6 Blatchf. 
464. In the eighth edition of my bock on Crirninal Practice and Pleading, I 
said that &quot; unless such a check be applied, the defendant, by violent and turbu- 
lent couduct, could at any time either bring his trial to an end, or compel its 
extension, under circumstances destructive of pfublic decorum.&quot; This, I still 
liold; but I think that in Guiteau's case it was wise in Judge Cox not to use 
this extreme prerogative, however gre;it the temptation was. In the first plea&lt;noinclude&gt;
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this business, that these packages should be in the immediate charge 
of an agent or messenger of the person or company engaged in it; 
and to refuse permission to this agent to accompany these packages 
on steam-boats or raiiroads in which they are carried, and to deny 
them the right to the control of them while so carried, is destruc- 
tive to the business, and of the rights which the public have to the use 
of the raiiroads in this class of transportation. 
3. I am of the opinion that when express matter is so confided to 
the charge of an agent or messenger the railroad company is no 
longer liable to all the obligations of a common carrier, but that, when 
loss or injury occurs, the liability depends upon the exercise of due 
care, skill, and diligence on the part of the railroad company, 
4. That under these circumstances there does not exist, on the part 
of the railroad company, the right to open and inspect -11 packages 
so carried, especially -when they have been duly closed or sealed up 
by their owners or by the express carrier. 
5. I am of the opinion that it is the duty of every railroad company 
,to provide 8uch conveyances by special cars, or otherwise, attached 
to thejr freight or passenger trains, as are required for the safe and 
proper transportation of this express matter on their roads, and that 
the use of these facilities should be extended on equal terms to 
all who are actually and usually engaged in the express business. 
If the number of persons claiming the right to engage in this 
business at the same time, on the same road, should become op- 
pressive, other considerations might prevail ; but, until such a State 
of aiiairs is shown to be actually in existence in good faith, it is 
unneeessary to consider it. 
6. This express matter and the person in charge of it should be 
carried by the railroad company at fair and reasonable rates of com- 
pensation, and where the parties concerned cannot agree upon what 
that is, it is a question for the courts to decide. 
7. I am of the opinion that a court of equity in a case properly 
made out has the authority to compel the railroad oompanies to earry 
this express matter, and to perform the duties in that respect which 
1 have already indicated, and to make such orders and decrees, and 
to enforce them by the ordinary methods in use, necessary to that 
end. 
8. While I doubt the right of the court to fix in advance the pre- 
cise rates which the express companies shall pay and the railroad 
companies shall accept, I have no doubt of its right to compel the 
performance of the service by the railroad company, and after it is&lt;noinclude&gt;
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euit, and under that appointment, acting under the advice of counsel, 
he has brought suits at law against the etockholders. The only ques- 
tion is whether the suit which had been brought by Irons, and which 
h ad been amended to adapt it to the provisions of the act of June 30, 
1876, can be pleaded in abatement to this suit at law which has been 
iristituted by the receiver under the authority or sanction of the comp- 
troller. After the filing of the original Irons bill the powers of the 
court under such a bill were materially enlarged by the act of con- 
gress just quoted. That bill was pending when this law took effect, 
and Irons undoubtedly had the right by amendment to make a case 
which would enable the court to administer these enlarged powers 
with which it had been clothed pcndente lite. Story, Eq. PI. 336; 
Mix V. Beach, 46 lU. 311. 
It seems to me that there is no room to doubt that this stockholder's 
liability can be completely enforoed in the Irons case; and if it can, 
then I see no reason why the general rule that a debtor shall not be 
vexed by two suits in the same jurisdiction for the same cause of 
action is not clearly applicable. I may also say in the same connec- 
tion that I have great doubts whether the comptroller had any author- 
ity to appoint a receiver for a bank which was in voluntary liquida- 
tion, after the court had appointod a receiver and taken steps under 
a creditor's bill to enforce the stockholders' liability. The statute 
gives the comptroller authority to appoint a receiver in certain cases, 
and then in another section of the same statute provides expressly, 
where a bank has gone into voluntary liquidation and is in process 
of winding up its affairs, any crediter may enforce the liability of 
the stockholder by a creditor's bill; and if the comptroller had not 
acted and appointed a receiver for th© purpose of enforeing the stock- 
holders' liability, I have no doubt but what the action of the court 
supersedes the right of the comptroller to act in the premises, and 
gives the authority solely to the court to enforce the individual liability 
of the stockholders. 
It cannot, I think, be maintained that eongress intended by the act 
of June 30, 1876, to leave the comptroller any authority over the 
assets of a national bank which has gone into voluntary liquidation 
under section 5220, after a court of competent jurisdiction had, under 
a creditor's bill, appointed a receiver and taken possession of the 
assets, and initiated proceedings to enforce the liability of stock- 
holders, becausethat would bring about a conflict between theofficers 
of the court and those of the comptroller. The grant of power to 
enforce the liability of the stockholders is plenary and ample, and I&lt;noinclude&gt;
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rBDEBAL REPORTER. 
directing the oflacer to hand a volume of reports to the foreman, and request 
ing him to read a decision to the eflect that the judge can only communicate 
with the jury in open court: Com. v. Jenkins, Thach. Crim. Cas. 118. And so 
where a case, as to the importance of jurors haririonizing, was sent to the jury : 
/Sftoie V. Pike, 65 Me. 111 ; and where a part of the evidence was read by the 
court to the jury In the absence of the defendant and his counsel: Jacksoti v. 
Co7n. 19 Grat. 656, 
PoLLiNG JuEY. In clvll cases the polling of a juiy is generally conceded 
to be at the discretion of the court: Proffat, Jury Trials; Byme v. Grossman, 
65 Pa. St. 310. In Massachusetts it is held to be discretionary with the court 
in criminal as well as in civil cases to grant an application for polling: Com. 
V. JRoby, 12 Pick. 496; Com. v. Costley, 118 Mass. 1. The practice in New 
England is only to grant the application when there is some ground laid, and 
the assent of the jury individually to the appeul of the clerk, &quot;and so you say 
all,&quot; is regarded as giving a sufFicient assurance of the assent of all the 
jurors: Fellow's Case, 5 Greenl. 333. In several jurisdictions, however, it is 
held that the defendant has a right to have the polling ordered: U. S. r. Pot- 
ier, 6 McLean, 182 ; People v. Perkins, 1 Wend. 91 ; Fox v. 8mith, 3 Cow. 23 ; 
Sargent v. State, 11 Ohio, 472 ; Wright v. State, 11 Ind. 569 ; State v. Austin, 
6 Wis. 205; Nornayue v. People, 1 Breese, 111; State v. John, 8 Ired. 330; 
State V. Tming, 77 N. G. 498; State v. Allen, 1 McC. 525; Tilton v. State, 52 
Ga. 478. 
But where the jury have been called upon to Indicate their approval of the 
verdict as given by the foreman, and where they have given their assent, 
polling is an unnecessary cumulation of form. It should only, as principle, 
be required either (1) when there is no such distinctive appeal to the body of 
the jury as is the case when the clerk says, &quot; and so you say all ;&quot; or (2) when 
there is some doubt as to the reply of the jurymen; or (3) when polling is 
made requisite by statute: See U, S. v. Bridges, U. S. Cir. Ct. Ala. 1879, where 
it was held by Judge Bruce that there could be no polling on a sealed verdict; 
and see criticisms in 1 Crim. Law Mag. 7 ; 1 Southern Law J. (N. S.) 9 ; and 10 
Cent. L. J. 1. 
So far as concerns the last point there can be no question as to the propri- 
€ty of Judge Drummond's ruling. A sealed verdict cannot be proper^y ren- 
dered by being left with the clerk and opened by him in the absence of the jury. 
The verdict must be brought by the jury into court and opened in their pres- 
flnce. Z7. S. v. Potter, 6 McLean, 182; Wright v. State, 11 Ind. 569; Martin 
v.Morelock, 32 111. 485; Fisher v. Peojile, 23 111. 285; Stewart v. People, 23 
Mich. 63. Feanois Whaeton.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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t. SAlffi— CONVBTAIIOBS M ABSENCE OV CONCEAL-MENT. 
Conveyances of stocks made by bankrupt to hia wife, long before bankruptcy, 
and in the absence of concealment, are no ground for withholding a discharge. 
6. Samb— Violation dp Provisions op Bankkupt Act— Bvidencb. 
Wlxere the estate of the bankrupts yields a large percentage of uie indebted- 
ness, and where the only evidence adduced by the opposing creditors is the 
examination of the bankrupts before the register, the court should be clearly 
satisfied, upon the proof submitted, of the violation of the bankrupt aot befor» 
'withiiolding a discbarge. 
In Bankruptcy. 
N. B. Bryant, for creditors. 
James M. Ripley, for bankrupts. 
CoLT, D. 3. In this ease specificationa are filed by sundry object- 
ing creditors against the disoharge of the bankrupts. It appears 
that the individual estate of Jesse Boynton paid 91 per cent. ; that no 
debts were proved against the individual estate of Lyman Boynton; 
and that the firm of Boynton Bros., composed of Jesse and Lyman, 
paid 81 per cent. While the specifications in terms oppose the dis- 
oharge of both brothers, yet we learn from the statement of counsel 
that the objecting creditors desire mainiy to resist the discharge of 
Jesse Boynton. 
The first specification, that the bankrupts are not citizens of the 
United States, aud so not entified to the benefit of the bankrupt act, 
is not pressed, in view, probably, of the fact that they have resided in 
this couiitry for more than 26 years, and that resident aliens may take 
the benefit of the act. 
The second specification charges wilful false swearing in the affida- 
vit annexed to the schedule or inventory, in that a certain farm in 
Canada, and certain real estate in Boston, were knowingly omitted 
therefrom. The evidence of Jesse Boynton diseloses that he and his 
brother had eouveyed to them many years before a farm in Canada 
of some 75 acres, which he thinks might sell for $1,000. He states 
that he had not thought of this property for years ; and when ques- 
tioned further as to whether the farm had not been within a few 
years on his books, in the form of assets, at a valuation of $3,600, 
he answers that hedoesnot know; that he never ordered itput there, 
and if there, representing such an amount, it was the sum paid for 
it. In the absence of any testimony impeaching this statement, and 
believing that the court should not hastily presume fraud merely 
from the fact of such an omission, in a case where the payment of so 
large a percentage of indebtedness tends to show general good faith, 
we cannot but conclude that this omission was unintentional — an over-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The patented process provides for the treatment of beer when it ia 
in the Krauesen stage by holding it under automatically controllable 
pressure of carbonie acid gas by appropriate mechanieal devices. 
When this stage ends the process is fully aecomplished, and, in the 
understanding of the trade, the Krauesen stage terminates when the 
casks containing the liquid are bunged. 
Now, although it is admitted tha,t the respondents use the Guth 
patented bung, by means of which the complainaut's process may be 
practiced, yet it is satisfactorily shown by all the evidence that it is 
not used as long as the beer works outof the bung-hole of the shavings 
casks, but only when the casks are bunged, and so when the patented 
process is, by its express limitation, inapplicable. And this bungis 
not eyen then used to produce any resuit cqntemplated by the coio- 
plainant's process, but only in racking off the beer from the shavings 
casks, and as a means of relieving them from an excessive pressure 
of carbonie acid gas. 
We are, therefore, of opinion that the respondent is not shown 
to have used the complainant's process, and so to have infringed its 
patent, ai^d that the bill must be dismissed, wita uosta. 
Sphl ». Celluloid Manuf'o Go.* 
(Oireuit Court, 8. D. New York. Jaauary 25, 1882.) 
L Lettkbb Patent No, 97,454 — Construction of. 
Letters patent No. 97,454 contains no suggestion that camphor itself, or a 
solution of camphor in any thing which would dissolve it, is a solvent of xyloid- 
ine. Said patent is neither infringed by the use of wood alcohol in conjunc- 
tion with camphor, if said wood alcohol is the same thing as wood naphtha, as 
Buch use is described in Parlce's patent, No. 1,313, nor if it be a new article, 
discovered since the date of the invention described in said patent 97,454. The 
claim of said patent is expressly limited to that alcohol which is spirits of wine, 
and does not cover methyl alcohol. 
In Equity. Motion for injunction. 
H. M. Ruggles, for plaintiff. 
W.D. Shipman and H. Baldwin, Jr., for defendant. 
Blatchfobd, C. J. There is no suggestion in the specification of 
No. 97,454 that the plaintiff discovered that camphor itself, or a 
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tages. It further appears that the lamp bas been otherwise adver- 
tised. If sales have not actually been made, such a wrong is threat- 
ened, and that is sufficient to call for an injunction. Bilmp, Law of 
Patents, 294; Poppenlmsen v. Gutta Percha Co. 2 Fish. 74. Nor is 
the assertion of the defendant in bis affidavit, that he bas no inten- 
tion of making or selling any of said lamps during the pendency of 
this suit, a good reason for withholding an injunction. The com- 
plainants are not obliged to rest their interest on the mere assertion 
of the defendant that he will not repeat the act of infringement. 
Bump, Law of Patents, 295 ; Jenkins v. Greenwald, 2 Fish, 37. 
The motion for a preliminary injunction is granted. 
The Ant. 
(District Court, B. New Jersey. Febi-uary 3, 1882.) 
1. CotusioN. 
A steamer with a long tow, about to pass another steamer, also with a tow, is 
bound to avoid the latter. 
2. SaMB— LOOKOUT. 
Steamers navigating on the thoroughfares of commerce are bound to have a 
lookout, independently of the helmsman. 
3. SAMB— LiGHTS. 
Steam-vessels, &quot; when towing other vessela,&quot; must exhibit two bright white 
mast-head lights vertically, in addition to their aide lights ; and all vessels, 
whether steam or sail vessels, ■when lying at anohor in roadsteads or fair-ways, 
must exhibit a white light in a globular lantern at a height not exceeding 20 
feet above the hull. In navigation a vessel aground is in circumstances sina- 
ilar to a vessel at anchor, and a steamer aground should exhibit the single light 
required of steamers at anchor. 
4 Damages Divided. 
Where both steamers contributed to the collision the damages will be divided. 
In Admiralty. Libel in rem. 
Beebe, Wilcox &amp; Hobbs, for libellants. 
S. H. Valeniine, (with whom was R. D. Benedict,) for claimants. 
Nixon, D. J. The libel is iiled in this case to recover damages 
arising from a collision which took place about 2:30 o'clock on the 
morning of June 2, 1881, between Eobbins' reef and Bedloe's island, 
on the westerly side of the channel, in the bay of New York, between 
the street department scows in tow of the tug-boat Ant and the tug- 
boat C. J. Saxe, and two pontoona or wreckers in the tow of the said 
Saxe.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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6. CEKTAm PnOCEEDINOS AND JUDGMBNT VoiD. 
The proceedinga had and the judgmeit rendered in the district court of 
Navarro county, in the years 1847 and 1848, wherein A. C. Horton, acting gov- 
eruor, for the benefit of the people of Texas, was plaintifE, and Charieii Fenton 
Mercer and associates, unlsnown, were defendants, were absolutely uuil and 
void for want of legal notice to the defendants. 
6. Texas— CoNTEACTs— Trusts. 
The State of Texas, by law, has never repudiated the contracts with Mercer, 
or the trust resulting therefrom. 
7. Equity Jubisdiction — Injunction. 
The court of equity has jurisdiction to prevent, by injunction, the waste, 
alienation, or destruction of a trust estate. 
8. Jubisdiction dp Ffderal Courts. 
While the circuit courts of the United States have no jurisdiction to cnter- 
tain a suit against a state of the Union, they have jurisdiction of, and will 
entertain a suit brought by, a proper party against an officer of a state who, 
under color of his office, but without lawful authority, is wasting, alienating, 
or destroying a trust estate, although the state may be the trustee aad remain 
silent, 
Davis Y. Gray, 16 Wall. 203. 
9. Bame— Equity Pleading. 
In such a suit, where the state is no party, and yel is declared to be the 
trustee of an express trust, the defendant is without right or interest to plead 
in defence a repudiation by the trustee, to shield himself from uuiuwful 
conduct. 
10. Same — SPEcnric Pbrfotimance— Decree por Title. 
Where the relief asked is in the nature of specifie performance of the con- 
tract, or, at least, a decree for title, it is imperative that the party required to 
perform, or who holds the legal title, should be before the court ; and such 
party, who is in this instance the state of Texas, not being a party to these 
proceedings, this court has no jurisdiction to grant such relief. 
In Equity. 
Broion, Preston, Hancock e West, for complainani;. 
Peeler d Maxey and Willsnn de Saines, for defendant. 
Pabdbe, C. J. Justice Field, on the ninth circuit, in the case of 
Gole Silver Mining Co. v. Virginia e Gold Hill Water Co. 1 Sawy. 
68.5, refused to hear questions of law previously determined by the 
circuit judge in the same case, saying: 
&quot;The circuit judge possesses equal authority with myself in the circuit, and 
it would lead to unseemly conflicts if the rulings of one judge upon a question 
of law should be disregarded, or be open to review by the other judge in the 
same case.&quot; 
The proposition, so evident upon its face, acquires greater force when 
the aircuit judge is called upon to consider the rulings of the circuit 
justice in the same case. See 2 Fish. Pat. Cas. 120. This case has 
been before this court for hearing upon demurrer and for injunction&lt;noinclude&gt;
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over the veto of the president, and that Mercer was well aware of the opposi- 
tion of the people, as lie was present attending on the session attempting to 
procure from the congress an extension of the Peters contract, in which he 
was interested. 
(5) That the opposition of the people continued, and that the convention of 
1845 adopted an ordinauce denouncing colony contracts as uncoustitutional 
and void, and as operating a monopoly, to the exclusion of citizens, soldiers, 
and creditors of the republic, and providing that it should be the duty of the 
attorney general of the state, or the district attorney of the district in which 
any portion of the colonies might be situated, as soon as the organization of 
the state should be complete, to institute legal proceedings against all colony 
contractors, and providing that if any contracts should be found, upon such 
investigation, unconstitutional, illegal, or fraudulent, or that the conditions 
had not been complied with according to its terms, such contract should be 
adjudged null and void, but without prejudice to actual settlers. That said 
ordinance was adopted by a vote of the people, and thereby became a part of 
the fundamental law of the land, and that the state organization was com- 
pleted February 16, 1846. That in obedience to said ordinance J. W. Harris, 
attorney general of the state of Texas, on the eleventh day of October, 1846, 
flled a suit in the district court of Navarro county, in which county part of the 
Mercer grant was situated — a suit in the name of A. C. Horton, governor of 
the state, for and on behalf of said state, as plaintiff, against Charles Fenton 
Mercer and his associates, as defendants, alleging non-performance on the 
part of said Mercer and his associates, and illegality and unconstitutionality 
from the beginning, and praying that the contract be declared uull and void 
from the beginning. That said Mercer and his associates were duly and 
legally cited to appear and answer; and that thereafter, at the September 
term, 1848, the said suit was fully heard and determiued, and it was fuHy and 
flnally adjudged and decreed, upon the verdict of a jury, that the said contract 
of January 29, 1844, was null and void. That such judgment is still in full 
force, unreversed, and unavoided. 
(6) That the parties in that suit are ideutical in interest and privity with 
the parties to this suit, and that the subject-matter is the same ; that ifavarro 
county had jurisdiction ; that Mercer and his associates were represented and 
had a fa'r trial ; and that the said judgment bas the force of the thing adopted, 
and the same is a full and complete bar to this action. 
(7) That the state lias never, by the aet of February 3, 1850, nor by the act 
of August 12, 1870, nor by any other act, reeognized the validity of the Mercer 
contract. On the contrary, it bas always acted on the bheory of its invalidity, 
and all legislation in relation to its public lands, or in relation to relief to 
actual settlers in the Mercer colony limits, has stipulated against the con- 
tractors taking any benefit from the legislation. 
(8) That no trust has ever been created in favor of Mercer and his associ- 
ates; no title has ever vested; no possession has been had; and that the com- 
plainant nor the Texas Association are not entitled to any of the pubie lands 
by reason of said contract, either for settlers or for premiums. 
(9) That defendant is a sworn and bonded offlcer, governed by the laws of 
the state, and that by law, approved April 19, 1877, when questions may arise&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of articles, and fit them for exportation or domestic use. Gibbons v. 
Ogden, 9 Wheat. 1, 203; 1 Kent, Comm. 439; Story, Const. § 1017. 
In No. 44 of the Federalist, article 1, § 10 of the constitution is com- 
mented on, and it is said that the manner in which the restraint on 
the power of the states over imports and exports is there qualified — 
that is.in regard to inspection laws — '&quot;seems well calculated at once to 
secure to the states a reasonable discretion in providing for the con- 
veniency of their imports and exports, and to the United States a 
reasonable check agaiust the abuse of their discretion.&quot; 
In Bnrrill's Law Dictionary &quot;Inspection&quot; is defined thus: &quot;Offi- 
ciai view or examination of commodities or manufactures, to ascer- 
tain their quality, under some statu te requiring it.&quot; 
In Bouvier's Law Dictionary this is the definition: &quot;The exami- 
nation of certain articles made by law subject to such examination, 
80 that they may be declared fit for commerce.&quot; 
In Clintsman v. Northrop, 8 Cow. 45, the inspection laws of New 
York are said to be laws &quot;to proteot the community, so far as they 
apply to domestic sales, from fraud and impositions, and, in relation 
to articles designed for exportation, to preserve the character and 
reputation of the state in foreign markets.&quot; 
Bj the constitution of New York of 1846, art. 5, § 8, all offices 
for &quot;inspecting any merchandise, produce, manufacture, or com- 
modity whatever,&quot; were abolished. 
As the term &quot;inspection laws,&quot; in the section under consideration, 
refers only to laws for inspecting articles of merchandise, this shows 
that the terms &quot;imports&quot; and &quot;exports,&quot; in the same section, refer 
only to articles of merchandise. Persons are not imports or exports, 
or articles to be inspected, under the section. To pass a statute 
directmg persons to be inspected to ascertain their condition as to 
character or pecuniary means, or physical characteristics, and then 
another statute calling the first one an inspection law, does not make 
it an inspection law. It was not and is not and can never be an 
inspection law, in the sense of the constitution. Nor can passengers 
arriving in the United States be imports or exports, in the seuse of 
the constitution. 
In Brown v. State, 12 Wheat. 419, 437, the section referred to was 
under consideration, and it was said by the court : 
&quot; AVhat, then, is the meaning of the words ' imposts, or duties on imports or 
experts ?• An impost, or duty on impoits, is a ctistom or a tax levied on arti- 
cles biought into a country, and is most usually secured before the importer 
is allowed to exercise his rights of ownersliip over theai, because evasions of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The defendant at once submitted to the authority of the deputy mar- 
shal, who told him that he might depart from eustody if he would 
promise to attend the commissioner's court on a certain designated 
day. The defendant agreed to the proposition and went off, and did 
raot afterwards appear at the time and place designated. 
I am of opinion that this was not such a service of the warrant as 
entitled the marshal to the fee charged. The service of a commis- 
fjioner's warrant in a criminal case consists of more than a mere 
arrest, as the marshal must keep the defendant in eustody until he is 
carried before an examining magistrate for a preliminary hearing 
upon the charges in the warrant. Where an arrest is made on a 
commissioner's warrant, the officer making the arrest bas no authority 
in law to take bail, and if he voluntarily allows the defendant to 
depart from eustody before the case bas been heard by the magis- 
trate, it is a voluntary escape. The liability of the officer is abso- 
lute, and cannot be relieved by a subsequent arrest of the defendant ; 
but the warrant is not inyalidated, and the defendant may be retaken 
Tjnder the same warrant, and by the same officer. The misconduct 
of the officer does not prevent an arrest, as the public good iequires 
that the defendant should be brought to justice. 1 Chit. Crim. Law, 61. 
The rule of law is somewhat different in mesne proeess in civil cases, 
as the officer becomes special bail if he allows a defendant to depart 
out of eustody without giving a bail-bond. Upon final proeess of 
execution if there is a voluntary escape the liability of the officer is 
absolute. If there is a negligent escape the officer may retake the 
prisoner on fresh pursuit and hold him, so as to relieve his liability. 
Adams y. Turrentine, 8 Ired. 147. ' 
The action of the deputy marshal in this case, and the submission 
of the defendant to the coiitrol of the officer, constituted a valid arrest. 
Whether acts constitute an arrest depends upon the intent of the 
'pattiesat the time. An arrest may be made without touehing'the 
person of the defendant at the time, if he voluntarily submits tb the 
proeess of the law in the hands of the officer. Jones v. Johesj 13 
Ired. 4re8. , , . , 
; Although there was a valid arrest in this case there was; not a due 
■service of proeess, and the marshal is not entitled to the fee charged. 
In his answer the marshal insists that the defendant was retaken on 
the warrant on a subsequent day and carried before the ppnamis- 
sioner for a preliminary hearing. The evidence shows that- the de- 
fendant, previous to the second arrest, and while he was still lurking 
in the woods and evading the officer, had an appearance-bond, with&lt;noinclude&gt;
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necessary assistance, and he can keep such assistance as long as the 
responsibility continues, and he is entitled to the fees allowed bylaw 
for such important and responsible service. The rule of this court, 
which requires the commissioner to determine the question whether 
a guard is necessary for the marshal when a prisoner is before the 
court under arrest, must be set aside, as it is contrary to law, The 
marshal alone can determine this question, and say how far he is 
willing to subject himself to the chances and responsibilities of an 
escape. The marshal cannot be relieved by any action of the com- 
missioner, as he has no power to commit a prisoner brought before 
him for examination until a cause of commitment judicially appears. 
When any commitment is ordered, a written mittimus, setting forth 
the cause, must be directed to the marshal or his deputy, command- 
ing him to deliver the prisoner to the keeper of the common jail, 
and when the mandate of the warrant is obeyed then the marshal is 
relieved from the responsibility of custody. Raniolph v. Donaldson, 9 
Cranch, 78. 
The marshal is clearly entitled to the fees charged for attending 
court and guarding the defendant on the twenty-seventh of August, 
as the defendant was put in his custody by order of the commissioner 
until sufficient bail was given for an appearance at court to answer 
an indictment. After hearing a case and determining to hold a 
defendant to bail, the commissioner can by verbal order put the 
defendant in custody of an officer until the bail required is given, 
but the ofScer cannot commit to jail without a written 7nittimus from 
the commissioner. 
It is ordered that the clerk of this court retax the costs iu this case 
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the 90 tons, on the validity of the con tract with Smith.&quot; The only 
consideration for this, as the defendants admit, was an agreement on 
their part not to prosecute Stokes for a crime which they had eom- 
mitted, or were charged with committing. This crime conaisted in 
clandestinely abstracting property deposited with them as warehouse- 
men, and applying it to their own use, — for which they were liable to 
prosecution under the fifth section of the Pennsylvania statute of 
September 24, 1866, if not also under the 108th section of that of 
1860. The crime defined by the first of these statutes is a misde- 
meanor, while that defined by the last is a felony. It is not essential 
to determine whether Stokes might have been prosecuted under the 
latter statute, inasmuch as the misdemeanor here involved (if the 
offence be no more) is of such a character — so seriously affects the 
public interests — that an agreement not to prosecute cannot be 
regarded as a consideration for a promise to pay money, or deliver 
goods. While misdemeanors of a private character, affecting indi- 
viduals principally, may be compounded, and an obligation taken for 
restitution of property obtained, or payment of damages suliered, may 
be enforced, public polioy forbids that misdemeanors which seriously 
affect the public welfare, shall thus be disposed of. Conceding the 
oiience charged against Stokes to have been a misdemeanor merely, 
it was, we repeat, a very serions one to the community. They 
were engaged in an important public employment, involving and 
inviting trust and confidence, — an employment regulated by statute, 
and intimately connected with commerce. The compounding of 
offences committed by persons engaged in such employment would 
seriously tend to imperil the public interests. While strongly inclin- 
ing to the belief that Stokes were liable to prosecution under the 
aot of 1860, it is sufficient for the purposes of this case to say that 
the defendants' promise not to prosecute, even if the crime was 
limited to that prescribed by the statute of 1866, afiforded no lawful 
consideration for Smith's promise to deliver the sumac. Ifc follows 
that the defendants had acquired no interest in the sumac, unde- 
livered, or right to demand it, at the time of receiving information 
of Smith's relations to Stokes; and receiving it afterwards with 
knowledge that it was being furnished in payment of the former's 
indebtedness to the latter, the transaction must be treated as a pref. 
erential payment by Stokes to them (the defendants) through Smith. 
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rights of contract under the mortgage directly against the mortgaged 
vessel. But it being held that the mortgage of a vassal is not a mari- 
time contract, no other ground of admiralty jurisdiction in these cases 
existed. The claim of the present petitioners is wholly different. It is 
for an injury to the petitioners' interest in one vessel inflicted through a 
marine tort by another vessel. In such cases tha admiralty bas juris- 
diction in favor of the injured party against the offending vessel by 
reason of the maritime tort ; and the petitioners have an interest in 
the vessel injured which is perfectly recognizable in admiralty, and 
which is therefore sufficicnt to entitle them to seek relief for that tort 
in this tribunal. Where jurisdiction of the res in admiralty bas 
aiready. been otherwise acquired in direct proceedings against the 
mortgaged vessel itself the mortgagee's interest in the res is recog- 
nized, and he may intervene for the protection of his interest either 
before or after the sale. The Old Concord, 1 Brown, Adm. 270 ; Schu- 
chardt v. The Angelique, 19 How. 239, 241. 
The petition shows that the petitioners represent the insurance 
companies and act by their authority, and they may therefore prose- 
cute in behalf of the insurers, as well as of themselves, for the full 
amount of the mortgage interest. Fretz v. Bull, 12 How. 466, Monti- 
cello V. Mollison, 17 How. 152, 155; Garrison v. Memphis Ins. Co. 19 
How. 312; Hall v. Railroad Cos. 13 Wall. 367; Campbell v. The Ancho- 
ria, 9 Fed. Ebp. 840. 
The prayer of the petition is therefore granted, and the petitioners 
may corne in as co-libellants upou the usual stipulation for costs.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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otherwise the proper jurisdictional facts exis^t. Every court must, 
in the nature of things, have the right, as well as the power, to carry 
its own judgments into execution. To take from any court the pre- 
rogative of executing its own judgments by proper process or by sup- 
plemental proceedings, when necessary, would be to cripple its juris- 
diction in a most essential matter. It would, therefore, be diffioult 
to persuade us that congress meant by the provision in the act of 
1875 for the removal of &quot;suits of a civil nature&quot; to authorize the 
transfer of coiitroversies growing out of mere modes of execution and 
relief, thns directly interfering with the state courts in the execution 
of their own judgments. It is not in this sense that the worda &quot;suits 
of a civil nature&quot; are ordinarily used. 
Now, the process of garnishment after judgment is clearly a mode 
of execution. Its purpose is to obtain satisfaction of the judgment 
out of the debtor's effects which may be in a third person's hands. 
The garnishment, therefore, is inseparably connected with the judg- 
ment. If money is realized it is to be applied to the satisfaction of 
the judgment. Suppose that an issue, taken upon the garnishee's 
answer, should be removed to the federal court, (the original case 
remaining, as it must remain, in the state court,) and suppose the 
federal court should deliver judgment against the garnishee, and by 
execution or otherwise the money should be collected, how could 
the federal court enter satisfaction, the judgment not being under 
its control ? We see in this the embarrassment that must arise from 
the attempt to separate the garnishment proceeeding from the judg- 
ment, the latter remaining in one court and the former carried to 
another and different court. 
This branch of the rule is clearly illustrated by the case of Webler 
V. Humphreys, 6 Dillon, 223. The motion in that case was manifestly 
a mode of execution. The plaintiff had a judgment against a Mis- 
souri corporation, and the statute of Missouri provided substantially 
that upon a return of nulla hona the judgment crediter might, by 
motion, with due notice, obtain an order from the court for execution 
against a stockholder to an amount equal to the balance of bis unpaid 
stock. Here the unpaid stock is treated as assets belonging to the 
corporation, and the statute provides the judgment crediter with a 
mode of execution to reach such assets. It was held by the circuit 
court for the district of Missouri that the motion could not be trans- 
ferred from the state to the federal court, notwithstanding the fact 
that there was a new controversy between the plaintiff and a new and 
different party.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/428</title>
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in proper form a guaranty to the above effect, printed or engraved upon the 
certificiites of stock of the Metropolitan Company, and, as such stock certifi- 
cates are surrendered for cancellation and reissue, will, from time to time, at 
the request of the holder, renew such guaranty upon all reissued certificates.&quot; 
It is then provided that the portions of the railway of the Metro- 
politan which were completed on the thirty-first of January, 1879, 
shall be deemed to have been operated from the close of business 
hours on that day by the Manhattan, and all such operation from 
and after that time shall be for the account of the Manhattan ; that 
the Manhattan shall run the railways, and keep them in repair and 
working order, and suppliod with rolling stock and equipment ; that, 
&quot;in addition to the rental hereinabove provided,&quot; it shall pay all 
taxes, assessmenta, duties, imposts, dues, and charges which shall 
become payable by the Metropolitan, or be imposed on the leased 
property, or its business, earnings, or ineome; that the Manhattan 
will save harmless the Metropolitan against all expenses of operat- 
ing the railways, and all claims and suits for injuries to persons and 
property, or for causing the death of any person, or for any other 
thing in the operation or management of the leased property, or for any 
breach of contract by the Manhattan in carrying on the business, 
and will defend all suits and claims brought against the Metropolitan 
in respect of any matter arising out of the management or operation 
of said railways since January 31, 1879, and that, in case the 
Manhattan shall at any time fail to pay in full said cash rental, &quot;or 
the guarantied dividend aforesaid, as the same shall become pay- 
able, or fail or omit to keep and perform the covenants and agree- 
ments herein contained, or any of them, and continue in default in 
respect to the performance of such covenant or agreement, or pay- 
ments, for the period of 90 days,&quot; the Metropolitan may enter on the 
leased railways and premises, and thenceforth hold, possess, and en- 
]oy them as of its former estate, and, upon such entry, the interest 
of the Manhattan therein shall cease. The Manhattan then agrees 
with the Metropolitan that it will execute, acknowledge, and deliver 
&quot;any and all instruments for the more effectually assuring unto the 
Metropolitan&quot; &quot;the payment of the cash rental and dividends herein- 
before reserved or agreed to be paid.&quot; On the same twentieth of 
May, 1879, an agreement of lease, in writing, was executed by the 
Manhattan and the New York, in like terms, in all respects, mutatis 
mutaudis, with the one between the Manhattan and the Metropolitan. 
Under these agreements of lease the Manhattan proceeded to oper- 
ate the railways of the other two companies. On the second of July,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/452</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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« 
tions of great value and importance which appear upon the face of 
the grant. What, then, ia the fair inference as to the intent of con- 
gress respecting the lands within the overlapping limita at the Junc- 
tion of the roads ? Could it have been the purpose of the grantor 
that the trustee should so administer the grant as to give the whole 
of the lands at that point, lying as they did within the limita as to 
both roads, to the short and comparatively unimportant line of road? 
Of what avail would it have been as to the great purposes of congress, 
and with respect to the considerations stipulated for by the United 
States, if by the aid of the lands granted the short line from the state 
line to Sioux City had been eompleted, and the main line left incom- 
plete at a point 80 or 90 miles east of the point of intersection? 
Most certainly we can arrive at no conclusion other than that it was 
the intention of congress to divide the lands at the point of intersec- 
tion between the two enterprises. What possible reason can there 
be, in the absence of express words, to impute to congress an inten- 
tion to give all the lands at the point of junction to one or the other 
of the two enterprises? Such a disposition of the lands would, in 
our judgment, do violence to the intent of the grantor, which, if pos- 
sible, ought to prevail. 
As a matter of course, the intent of congress to give the lands to 
one or both roads was dependent upon the performance of the con- 
ditions of the grant; in other words, upon the construction of the 
roads according to the terms of the act and the legislative will of the 
trustee. To illustrate this view, suppose congress should in the same 
act make a grant to two parallel roads running so near to eaeh other 
as to give rise to overlapping limits, would it not be the manifest 
intention of the grantor, in the absence of words to the contrary, that 
the lands should be divided between the two enterprises ? The pur- 
pose of such a grant would be to secure the building of two roads, 
but by giving all the lands to one road the building of the other would 
be defeated, and thus the purpose of the grantor would be thwarted. 
But the United States is not the only party to the grant. There 
are other parties benefieially interested in it. The consideration for 
the grant is to be performed by the railway companies eontracting 
with the trustee to do the work, and the question arises, when ia their 
right to the land complete ? Their right is certainly not taade com- 
plete by the mere establishment of the deonite line of their road. 
Neither is their title to their line consummated by a grant to them by 
the ti'ustee ; or, in other words, by an act of the state legislature giv- 
ing them the lands. The grant being to the state in prasenti, the&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/460</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702828</id>
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Again, in section 3: 
&quot; When said raiiroad shall have been builfc and conatructed to the point of 
intersection with the Sioux City &amp; St. Paul Kailroad, etc., the governor shall 
patent, etc., to said Chicago, Milwaukee &amp; St. Paul Railway Company all the 
remaining lands belonging to and embraced in said grant appertaining to their 
line of raiiroad, including all or any part or moiety of the lands in said over- 
lapping limits which by the terms of the act of congress appertain to their 
line of road.&quot; 
We regard the eighth proposition, now under consideration, as the 
strongest and most cogent relied upon by the respondent's counsel, 
and it brings back our minds to the true and decisive question of the 
case, namely, what is in this respect the true construction of the act 
of congress granting the lands ? Was it the intention of the grantor 
that the lands in dispute should be applied to the building of two 
roads instead of one, and held in common by the companies, f ulfilling 
the conditions of the grant? Or is it the true construction of the 
grant that one of the companies might by priority of location and 
construction entitle itself to the ■vrhole of the lands within the over- 
lapping limits to the entire exclusion of the other ? If this is the true 
construction, it was competent for the executive department of the 
federal government and the trustee to patent the lands for the use 
and benefit of the defendant corporation to the exclusion of the com- 
plainant. 
But if, as we hold, it was the purpose of congress and is the true 
construction of the act that the lands should be applied to the build- 
ing of hoth roads; that no one company could by mere priority entitle 
itself to any exclusive rightj that, on the contrary, the other company, 
by actually building its line to the point of junction, in accordance 
with the terms of the grant and the legislative will of the trustee, 
would entitle itself to equal participation in the lands, — then it was 
not competent for the executive department or the trustee to give the 
lands exclusively to the defendant company. If our construction of 
the grant be correct, the defendant company, by building their line of 
road, could &quot;earn,&quot; so to speak, no more land than the law gave them, 
— that is, one undivided half of them; and if, by the action of the ex- 
ecutive department and the trustee, they obtain the legal title to the 
whole of the lands, they must hold them subject to the trusts created 
by the grant in favor of the other company. This trust equity will 
enforce according to its own well-known remediai processes. 
Mr. Secretary Delano's decision, which seems to be the source of 
the defendant's claim of exclusive right, proceeded upon the sole 
ground of priority of location and construction. This was manifestly&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/464</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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The eviclonoe as to the transfer of the note by the Macou Bank &amp; 
Trust Company to the plaintiff was, in brief, as follows : 
J. W. Cabaniss, cashier of the Maeon Bank &amp; Trust Company, was swoni 
by the defendant, and testifled that he, as cashier, &quot; made the tratisfer of the 
note for the Macon Bank &amp; Trust Company to the plaintiff. The Macon 
Bank &amp; Trust Company is in liquidation. It has ceased to do business, and 
all its afifairs are in charge of the president, Mr. G. B. Roberts, and myself, as 
cashier. I made the transfer of this note to the plaintiff after consultation 
with Mr. Roberts. The directors of the Macon Bank &amp; Trust Company were 
not consulted about it. It is not customaiy for the president and myself to 
consult them. They have left to us the winding up of the assets of the bank. 
For the note, Mr. Roberts paid me his check on the Exchange Bank for $3,000 
at the time of the transfer in 1879. I am also cashier of the Exchange Bank, 
and Mr. Roberts is a director of that bank. The check for 03,000 I have 
never collected. It is among the assets of the Macon Bank &amp; Trust Company. 
Roberts has always had enough money in the Exchange Bank to pay the 
check, except, perhaps, occasionally his deposit may have run below that 
amount ; but the Exchange Bank would have paid the check at any time. 
Roberts has no control whatever of the check. There is no agreement that 
the clieck shall not be collected. There is no entry of this transfer on the 
books of the Macon Bank &amp; Trust Company. There are a great many trans- 
actions of the Company not yet entered up on the books ; but I have data from 
which I can post them all up.&quot; 
Benjamin G. Rockett, the defendant, was also sworn, and testifled that at 
the time of the maturity of the note he was abundantly solvent, and worth 
largely more than the amount of the note. 
G. B. Roberts, sworn for plaintiff, said: &quot; I was indebted to the plaintiff in 
1879 to the amount of $8,000. I gave her a mortgage on realty to secure 
$5,000, and gave to her as collateral security for the remaining $3,000 the 
note now in suit, for which I gave the Macon Bank &amp; Trust Company my 
check for $3,000; at the same time (March, 1879) I had the cashier of the 
coinpany indorse the note to the plaintiff. I do not remember whether the 
plaintiff ever had the note in possession. It was turned over to Bacon &amp; Ruth- 
erford, attorneys at law, with a letter from her. She is my niece. If the plain- 
tiff should get judgment in this case and collect the whole amount of the note 
from the defendant, I am under no obligation to pay back to the Macon Bank 
&amp; Trust Company the excess of that amount over $3,000, for which I gave my 
check. At the time I gave the check, which was for about 50 per cent, of the 
amount of the note, there were doubts about the sol vency of the defendant ; at 
least, it was known that he was heavily in debt. While under no obligation, 
I would not be willing as president to malce a profit ont of the bank, and I 
should pay to the bank the excess of the recovery over the $3,000.&quot; 
The court held that the plea in this case, although filed as a plea 
to the jurisdiction, was in reality a plea in bar, being, in substance, 
a deniai of the plaintiff's title and right to sue, and overruled the 
demurrer to the defendant's plea on the grounds that the contract of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/492</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>702860</id>
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Butler, D. J. Subsequently to the injunction in this case, the 
defendants constructed a machine corresponding to a section of the 
old Andersen machine, (the patent for which has expired,) and con- 
tinued the manufacture of waxed paper by this means. The plain- 
tiff, charging that the process thus employed infringes his, as de- 
scribed in the fifth claim of his patent, asks for an attachment to 
prevent its further use, and to punish the alleged disregard of his 
injunction. It is not charged that the machine is similar to the 
plaintiff's, and infringes the claims of his patent in this respect, but 
simply that his process is employed, in violation of the claim for this. 
In passing upon the validity of the plaintiff's patent, and the con- 
struction of its severaL claims, we adopted the judgment of the cir- 
cuit court for the southern district of New York, in Hammerschlag v. 
Scamoni, (involving the same patent,) [reported T Fed. Eep. 58'i,] 
for the sake of consistency and uniformity, without critical examina- 
tion of the reasons on which the judgment was based. Whether the 
fifth claim, under consideration, is for a process, or simply for the 
combination of machinery previously described and claimed in sep- 
arate parts, is a debatable question, which we did not, for the rea- 
sons stated, esteem it proper to enter upon. In the case cited it was 
decided to be for a process * * * consisting of successive steps, 
* * * four in number,&quot; as follows: First, &quot;moving the paper 
over and in contact with a heated cylinder, which acts to spread the 
wax on the surface of the paper; second, heating the un waxed surface 
to spread and fuse the wax into the fabric of the paper; third, remov- 
ing the surplus wax ; and, foiirth, remelting and polishing the wax 
upon the surface,&quot; — these several steps being performed &quot;substan- 
tially as set forth&quot; in the specifications. The plaintiff's present posi- 
tion, that this process covers all methods of making waxed paper by 
machinery, &quot;and, therefore, whether or not the defendants carry on 
the making of waxed paper by machinery, by the complainant's par- 
ticular method, or by a new mode devised by themselves, and which 
dispenses with some of the steps used by the plaintiff in his particu- 
lar mode, makes no difference whatever as l'egards infringement,&quot; can- 
not be adopted. It is clearly unsound, His invention, as described 
by himself and in his own language, is &quot;for an improvement relat- 
ing to a means for heating the wax and applymgit to the paper, removing 
the surplus wax, ana. polishing the surface,&quot; — which &quot;improved means&quot; 
are particularly described in the specifications and embraced in the 
claims, — the fifth of which reads as follows :&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/496</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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and we are without any decision of the supreme court to guide us in 
the matter. The decisions of the various circuit and district courts re- 
ported, in which the precise question of this case has been aiiswered, 
are very numerous, and as conflicting as the testimony of witnesses 
in a collision case. In this circuit, the rule followed by the district 
judge in this case, in favor of the recorded mortgage, has prevailed 
since 1877. It may, therefore, be set down as an open question, in 
the country at large, to remain so until the supreme court shall finally 
settle it. 
The whole question seems to turn upon the effect to be given to sec- 
tion 4192 of the Revised Statutes of the United States, which de- 
clares that — 
&quot;No bili of sale, mortgage, hypothecation, or eonveyance of any vessel or 
part of any vessel, of the Unitecf States, shall be valid against any person 
other than the gi'antor or mortgagor, bis heirs and devisees, and persons hav- 
ing actual notice thereof, unless such bill of sale, mortgage, hypothecation, or 
conveyance is i-ecorded in the office of the collector of the customs where such 
vessel is registered or enrolled. The lien by bottomry on any vessel, created 
during her voyage, by a loan of money, or materials necessary to repair or 
enable her to prosecute a voyage, shall not, however, lose its priority, or be in 
any way affeeted by the provisions of this section.&quot; 
The question is, does this section create a lien in favor of a mort- 
gage reeorded according to its provisions ? The language of the sec- 
tion is in the negative form. If put in the affirmative form, on the 
theory of its creating liens or granting rights, then the following 
three propositions comprise the whole substance, as far as said sec- 
tion declares liens or rank of liens : 
(1) Bottomry liens, etc., shall not be affeeted by recordation or non-recorda- 
tion. 
(2) A reeorded conveyance or mortgage, etc., shall be valid against all 
persons. 
(3) An unrecorded conveyance or mortgage shall be valid against the 
grantor or mortgagor, his heirs and devisees, and persons having actual 
notice. 
It ought to follow, then, that if this section gives a lien to reeorded 
mortgages, it gives one also, though of a limited scope, to unrecorded 
mortgages. And as liens created by congress are superior in rank to 
state liens, it follows that an unrecorded mortgage has priority over 
state liens. 
Again, considering from the lien hypothesis, the lien given by sec- 
tion 4192 to a reeorded mortgage ranks the lien given by state laws 
to material-men. The lien given to material-men by state laws&lt;noinclude&gt;
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  <page>
    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/530</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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3. StATUTOET PnOHrBITTOif. 
Section 10 of the act of congress of March 2, 1867, (14 St. at Large, 475,) 
»mendatory of section 19 of the act of congress of July 13, 1866, (14 St. at Large, 
152,) contains a provisioa additional to the provisions of the latter statute, as 
follows : &quot;And no suit for the purpose of restraining the assessment or collec- 
tion of a tax shall be maintained in any court.&quot; Id. 
4. RiGHTS PkEBERVED TINDBIl STATUTB. 
Section 34 of the act of congre.s.'i of March 2, 1867, provides as follows : &quot; This 
act shall not be construed to aliect any act done, right accrued, or penalty 
incurred under former acts. &quot; Hdd, that under this section all rights are saverl ; 
but that the right to a remedy is merely a remedy which congress could take 
away without affeoting any &quot; right accrued.&quot; 
In Equity. 
Enoch L. Faucher, for plaintiff. 
Edivard B. Hill, Asst. Dist. Atty., for defendants. 
Blatchfobd, C. J. The defendant Stivers ia the collector of the 
internai revenue of the United States for the eleventh collection dis- 
trict in the state of New York, residing at Middletown, Orange county, 
New York ; the defendant Corwin is his deputy collector, residing at 
Newburgh, in said county; and the defendant Blake is the collector of 
the internai revenue of the United States for the third collection district 
in the state of New York, residing in the city of New York. AU of the 
defendants and the plaintiff are citizens of the state of New York. 
Tke plaintiff resides in the town of Cornwall, Orange county, New York, 
and is the widow of Thomas Kensett, late of Baltimore, Maryland, 
deceased. Before her intermarriage with Kensett she was the wife 
of Marquis T&gt;. L. Sharkey, from whom she obtained a decree of di- 
vorce a vinculo matrimonii on the first of June, 1870, in the supreme 
court of the state of New York, which decree is in force. She was 
born in December, 1843, and was married to Sharkey in April, 1864. 
Sharkey at some time commenced some business arrangements with 
the firms hereinafter mentioned, or one of them, engaged in the 
tobacco trade in the city of New York. She never knew the particu- 
lars of such arrangements except that one day Sharkey told her that 
he hadinvestedinher name, in the tobacco business, $15,000, because 
as there were judgments against him he could not, with safety, use 
his own name, and he compelled her by threats to sign a paper, .January 
1, 1866, which he said was a special partnership paper of the firm of 
Alexander Eoss &amp; Go. If Sharkey ever made such investment it was 
of bis own money, and not from any money belonging to her. She had 
no separate estate, and she did not sign said paper freely, nor willingly 
assent to such use of her name, nor has she ever had anything to do&lt;noinclude&gt;
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and sometimes to prejudice, the minds of jurors. The strict rules of 
evidence rigidly enforced will not always prevent such a condition of 
things. The practice of the courts in this state allows great latitude 
to counsel in the management and argument of a cause, and I am 
not disposed to restrict or interfere with the well-recognized rights 
and privileges of attorneys. I know what are the rights and duties 
of the court, and I will now proceed to divest this trial of all matters 
which I regard as immaterial and irrelevant to the merits of the case, 
so that your minds may be directed to the material questions in con- 
troversy. 
In the examination of Mr. Sumner, one of the witnesses for the 
plaintiffs, he stated that he was a duly-authorized agent in the prose- 
jution of this action, and he had agreed with the plaintiffs to pay all 
costs and incidental expenses of the trial, and he was to receive one- 
half of the lands and damages that might be recovered. 
After the argument had commeuced, and one of the counsel for the 
plaintiffs had addressed the jury, one of the counsel for the defend- 
ants, in opening his argument, made a motion to dismiss the action, 
on the ground that it was tainted by a champertous contract between 
the plaintiffs and their agent. The motion was not then entertained 
by the court, as it was not made in apt time. The counsel then 
requested the court, in the charge to the jury, to define the crime of 
champerty, and charge the jury that the said agent was guilty of the 
said offence. The definition of the offence given by the learned 
counsel was correct. 
At the common-law if a person officiously interfered in a suit, in 
which he had no present or prospective interest, to assist one of the 
parties against the other, with money or advice, without any authority 
of law, he was guilty of the crime of maintenance. Champerty is an 
aggravated species of maintenance. It is a bargain with the plaintiff 
or defendant (campum partire) to divide the land or other matter sued 
for between them if they prevaii at law, the champertor undertaking 
to carry on the suit at his own expense. I have given the definition 
requested, but I decline to charge you as to the guilt of the agent, for 
the matter alleged is a crime at common law. I regard it as one of 
the highest duties of a judge not to pronounce a judgment or opinion 
as to the guilt of a person, even in the most trifling case, until he 
has had an opportunity in due course of law to make explanation or 
defence. Even if there should be a champertous consideration in the 
contract between the plaintiffs and their agent, it does not affect the 
merits of this action, as we are not called upon to enforce or invali-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/546</title>
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to look beyond the deoree of a court having jurisdietion of the sub- 
ject-matter, for the exercise of jurisdietion warrants the presumption 
in favor of a pnrchaser that the facts necessary to be proved to con- 
fer jurisdietion were proved. When L. G. Thompson purchased he 
acquired a good title, and he had title when he conveyed to the pres- 
ent defendants in 1863 ; but the proceedings for condamnation and sale, 
and the title of the purehasers, all became void on the downfall of 
the de facto government. I think the rule of law heretofore stated 
as to parties in an action for the recovery of land claiming from the 
same source of title does not apply. The defendants do not claim 
from the ancestors of the plaintiff, but such title as they once had 
was derived from the confederate government, and on the downfall 
of that government they became mere occupants of the land under 
color of title. As to the possession and color of title of the defendants 
I will make extended reference hereafter, when I corne to consider the 
issue on this subject. 
There is still another matter which I wish to withdraw from your 
consideration. In 1865 this state was under the military control of 
the United States. One of the defendants being in possession at that 
time of the lands in controversy, and being apprehensive that he might 
be disturbed or disposseased by the military authority, weut to a per^ 
son who, before the war, had been the agent of some of the heirs of 
Yates &amp; Mcintyre, and proposed to take a lease from him to secure 
possession against military interference. This person had no au- 
thority to act in the matter, as his power of attorney had become void 
by the death of the grantors. The lease which was executed was not 
intended by the parties as a honafide lease, but was for the purposes 
stated, and no effort was ever made to colleet the sums agreed upon 
in said lease. The lease was void, as the pretended lessor had no 
authority to make it, and it did not have the effect of establishing 
the relation of landlord and tenant between the defendant and the 
heirs at law of Yates &amp; Mcintyre. You are, therefore, charged not 
to consider this matter in making up your verdict. 
In an action like this a plaintiff can only recover upon the strenqth 
of his own title. For the purpose of showing title the plaintiffs intro- 
duced a deed from Ward, the sheriff of Gaston county, who, under 
an execution at law, had sold the lands and executed said deed to the 
purehasers, Yates &amp; Mcintyre, dated September, 1835. The plain- 
tiffs introduced no other deeds showing a chain of title back to the 
state. For the purpose of showing title out of the state they intro- 
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approved credibility, a court oi law must belisve what he says under 
oath and under cross-examination, concerning facts which have oc- 
curred within his own knowledge, in preference to the isola ted min- 
utes of an ofGcer who was not on oath and was not cross-examined 
as to any of the explanatory circumstances which may have existed 
at the time. Yet I am free to admit that these minutes often afford 
to a court invahiable assistance in correcting extravagances of state- 
ment on the part of ignorant or unscrupulous witnesses. 
The values agreed upon for the property saved are : 
For the ship, valued in Baltimore, - - - - - $ 36,000 
For the cargo, - 150,000 
For the freight from Galveston to Liverpool, ... 14,000 
$200,000 
After the ship was valued repairs were put upon her which cost 
$13,677.59, 
THE LEGAL FEATUBES OF THE CASE. 
To the case whose leading facts have thus been recited I am now to 
apply the principles of the law of salvage, and ascertain by their 
guidance the amount of money to be awarded for the successf ul service 
which has been described. Although it is true that this amount lies 
within the discretion of the judge, yet he is not at liberty to render 
an arbitrary judgment at his own individual discretion or caprice, — a 
ritsticumjudicium, — but must be governed in his award by the teachings 
of precedents and the recognized principles of the law of salvage. That 
this is a case of salvage — that is to say, a case for bounfy as well as 
wages — is conceded by the respondent, who admits that one-tenth of 
the value saved would not be an undue compensation. The libel- 
lant claims half, and my own duty is simply that of determining the 
amount of compensation to be awarded. Being a case of salvage, it 
is not one of mere wages, pro opere et labore, nor a case of quantum 
nieruit, in the sense that the work is to be paid for in an amount ascer- 
tained by applying the ordinary rules of remuneration for personal 
services; but it is a salvage claim for services which could not have 
been compensated at all except in the event of success, and which 
not only embraces wages for the work and labor done, and adequate 
remuneration for outlays of time, labor, and means according to their 
actual value, but also embraces a reward for having roscued property 
from the peril of the sea, under circumstances of risk and danger to 
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weather at the time was not tempestuous, the probability of its becoming so, 
aad the ignorance or knowledge, as the case may be. of the master or other 
person on board the vessel.&quot; 
With these points in \iew, I will comment briefly upon the case of 
the Sandringham. 
1. That the ship was in imminent danger, at several periods of the 
work of saving her, is perfectly plain. Her master, Capt. McKay, 
had utterly despaired of saving her himself. She had beached at 5 
p. M. on the fifth of November. He had left her two hours afterwards 
to call for help, and did not return until 12 m. the next day. During 
the early morning of the 6th, when it may have been practicable for 
him to lay his anchors outside by using the ship's boats, and to have 
taken measures for pulling her off the beach with a cable, as was 
actually done in the sequel, he failed to make the effort, and did noth- 
ing during the 24 hours after the ship had beached, even to prevent 
her from thumping against the ground. In fact, he did nothing at all 
for 24 hours, for the help of the ship, except to keep the pumps going 
part of the time. It is abundantly proved that when the wreckers 
took charge, whatever might have been the case before, the ship was 
too deep in the sand, and had too much water in her hold and in the 
ballast tank, and too much avoirdupois of cargo on her decks, to be 
got off the beach by tugs or tows of any degree of power. 
There was no recourse but to plant anchors out beyond the breakers 
to lay a cable to them from the ship to lighten her of the burden upon 
her, and then to pull her off shore — none of which her own master 
and crew were capable of doing. 
The resuit shows that this course had become indispensable at 6 
p. M. on the 6th, when the wreckers took charge ; for with all their 
extraordinary force of men, material, and machinery the wreckers 
were unable for five days of lightering the ship, and of constant heav- 
ing on the cable, to wrench the ship out from the dangerous sand- 
bed in which Capt. McKay left her; and, even on the fifth day, they 
succeeded in moving her, according to the log-book, only 30 feet.* 
That the condition of ship and cargo was hopeless without the aid 
of the wreckers, is shown by her master's failure to do anything for 
her relief for 24 hours after the beaching ; by his earnest calls for 
helpi from Norfolk; and by leaving his ship with her crew to seek 
Personal safety, apparently in despair of her, 24 hours after the 
*See note on page 565, where it is conjectured that the second mate meant 
yards or fathoms when he wrote feet in the log-book.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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that it should be honestly, laid out, built, and carried through. For 
this reaaon the character of the plaintifif, as a constructor and manager 
of railroads, seems to me to be open to public discussion -when he 
cornes forward with so great and important a project affectiug many 
interests besides those of the shareholders of one road; and that, 
therefore, the defendants, or any other persons, have the qualified 
privilege whioh attaches to discussions of public affairs. The dis- 
tinction is this : that when a railroad is to be built, or a company to 
build it is to be chartered, the question whether it shall be authorized 
is a public one; when the company is organized and the stock is 
issued, anything whioh merely afiects the value of the stock is 
private. 
Demurrer to the answer overruled. 
Note. The privUego which a communication receives arises from a right to 
say what is complained of, or from a sense of duty, public or private, legal or 
moral. Portevin v. Morgan, 10 Low. Com. Jur. 99 ; see Street^ v. Wood. 15 
Barb. 105; Hanna v. De Blanquiere, 11 Up. Caa.Q. B.310; Hearne v. 8towell, 
12 Ad. &amp; E. 719. Fublishing what is true of a person is net an offence if 
done with good motives and for justifiable ends, [De Bouillon v. PeopU, 2 
Hill, 248,) where the object is to impart nseful information to the commu- 
nity. State v. Bumham, 9 N. H. 34; Morris v. Com. 1 Va. Cas. 176; Oom. v. 
Clay, 4 Mass. 163.— [£i&gt;. 
In re Oabt. 
(DitMet Uourt, S. D. New York. Mareh 7, 1882.) 
1. CONTEMPT— OFPICBBS, WHBN NOT CHAKOEABU!. 
A sheriff or marshal, being indemnifled to levy on specifie property, shonld 
not be held chargeable with oontempt upon an injunction order of dubloug 
import of which he had no previous notice, and which referred to a judgment 
without date, and of different amount from that recited in liis execution. 
2. Injunction— Notice to be Bbkved on Paeties Enjotned. 
Parties and their attorneya, who are at all times accessible to service, should 
be properly served with notice of an injunction order if it be designed to bind 
them. 
3. Bamb — Neoessitt of Personal Service. 
The relaxation of the rule requiring Personal service of an Injunction in 
order to punish for contempt, extends no further than the exigencies of the 
case require to prevent a fallure of justice, and does not dispense with the 
necessity of service where the parties are easilj accessible. , . '&lt;noinclude&gt;
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if they are accessible; and if they are not so served, and no excuse 
for it appear, as to them the injunction should be deemed waived or 
as never in force. 
In James v, Downes, 18 Ves. 522, 525, Lord Eldon says: &quot;The 
court can never intend that the plaintiii, having obtained the order 
gi'anting the injunction, is to lie by for four montbs as if it bad not 
been granted. The court, interposing to assist the plaintiff, and pre- 
vent his losing the benefit of the process while he is actually pursu- 
iug it, cannot consider him entitled, under the order, for three or 
four months together;&quot; and for the plaintiff's laches in that case in 
cntering the order, though the defendant knew of the decision of 
the court. Lord Eldon dismissed the motion to punish the disobe- 
dience of it. In this case no reason existed for not observing the 
ordinary rule requiring service of the order upon Youmans and his 
attomey. In consequence of failure to do so, a long controversy 
has sprung up, occupied largely on the part of the bankrupt in 
endeavoring to prove knowledge of the injunction through indirect 
sources. His attorney has presented the matter with a zeal and 
care and thoroughness which, in a worthier subject, would deserve 
the highest praise; but, in my judgment, the court should refuse to 
entertain such close controversies of fact, concerning indirect notice, 
which arise solely through the laches of the parties in serving the 
original injunction order, and through the non-observance, without 
excuse, of the ordinary rule requiring personal service or notice of the 
injunction order, where practicable, in order to bring the party into 
contempt. Whipple v. Hutchinson, 4 Blatchf. 190; Coddington v. 
Webb, i Sandf, 639; 1 Daniell, Ch. Pr. (ith Ed.) 898, 1674. 
On these grounds the petition and order to show cause are dis- 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/656</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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that the principal had on that day entered at the port of Ne-cf York 
100 baies of imported cinnamon, under the laws of the United States 
providing for the warehousing of marchandise in bond, and was con- 
ditional that the bond should be void &quot;if within one year the goods 
should be lawfully and regularly withdrawn on payment of duties and 
charges, or if, after one year, and within three years, they should be 
withdrawnon like payment, with 10 par cent, additional, or if within 
three years they should be so withdrawn for actual export !)eyond the 
United States; otherwise to remain in full force.&quot; 
The cinnamon, consisting of 9,364 pounds, was imported by De 
Visser for Townsend, Glinch &amp; Dyke. It was sold to them in bond 
at 10 cents per pound; was transferred to them shortly after impor- 
tation, and a memorandum thereof made on June 21, 1871, upon 
the withdrawal ledger of the custom-house. 
None of the cinnamon having been withdrawn, nor any of the du- 
ties paid, the goods were advertised for sale by the collector on the 
ninetoenth of July, 1876, as &quot;abandoned goods. &quot; This sale was post- 
poned by the collector, without the knowledge or consent of the defend- 
ants, upon the receipt of the following letter from the secretary of the 
treasury: 
&quot;Treasuhy Department, 
&quot;Washington, D. C, July 18, 1876. 
&quot;Colledor of CiMoms, New York — SiE: Mr. Solomon Townsend, repiesent- 
ing the late flrm (in liquidation) of iowusend, Clinch &amp; Dyke, lias luude Per- 
sonal application to the department for leave to export certain 100 baies cin- 
namon, marked ' C. J.,' which appear upon the catalogue of goods to be sold by 
your order on the 19th inst., as lot No. 254. 
&quot;The department declines at present to entertain the said application, but, 
upon the further request of Mr. Townsend, hereby authorizes and directs you 
to withdraw said lot from sale, and to retain the same in your cnstody until 
further advised by the department, provided the interests of the government 
will noE be prejudiced thereby. 
&quot; It is understood by the department that the continued possession of the 
goods, together with security offered by the bond given on the warehouse 
entry, will be amply sulucient to protect the government from loss by reason 
of the temporary withdrawal of said cinnamon from public sale, as hereby 
authorized. 
&quot; Please report to the department your action in the premises. 
&quot;Eespectfully, Lot M. Mokkill, Secretary.&quot; 
The cinnamon was thereafter sold by the collector at a similar 
Baie on October 17, 1877, realizing $573.50. The duties, at the rate 
of 20 cents per pound and 10 per cent, ad valorem, were liquidated 
on August 3, 1871, at $1,935.90, which, after adding penalty and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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as involving a prolongation of his risk bcyond the period contem- 
plated by the implied terms of his agreemeut. 
The case of De Visser, the principal in the bond, is different. It 
does not appear that upon his sale to Townsend, Clinch &amp; Dike the 
latter personally assumed to pay the duties, or, if they did, that the 
officers of the government were apprised of that fact. The govern- 
ment, therefore, had no other principal to look to than De Visser. 
He was liable for the whole duties as importer, without limitation of 
time and irrespeetive of the goods held as security. U. S. v. Phelps, 
17 Blatchf. 312, 316; Du7nont v. U. S. 98 U. S. 142, 144; U.S. y. 
Coiisinery, 7 Ben. 251; U. S. v. Westray, 18 Wall. 322. It does not 
appear, therefore, that he ever became, even in equity, a surety for any 
other person as principal to whom he eould look for indemnity. The 
postponement of the sale involved, as respects him, no increase of 
risk, and no defeat or postponement of any right of reconrse against 
another. His liability to be called on for payment might, upon suf- 
ficient facts proved, be postponed in equity, irrespective of the stat- 
ute, until a sale of the goods had been had ; but this equitable right 
bas been observed. The injury to him, if any, would consist solely 
in delay in disposing of the security; and that alone, without notice 
from him to sell, or damages proved, is no defenoe. 
Judgment must, therefore, be rendered in favor of the defendant 
Turnure, and against the defendant De Visser, with costs. 
As the questions involved concern the daily transactions of the gov- 
ernment to a large amount, I have given to the subject, in the 
absence of any known adjudications, the consideration which its im- 
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Liegeois v. McCracken.* 
(Circuit Court, S. D. New York. February 8, 1882.) 
1. PkACTICB — DkMUREBR TO CoMPIiAINT. 
A complaint which alleges that the paroi contract sued on was valid under 
the lawof the statewhere itwaa made and to be performed, and that it was for 
a good consideration, is net demurrable on the ground that it does not state 
facts sufficient to constitute a cause of action. 
On Demurrer. 
An action was brought on a paroi contract, made by the defendant 
in Connecticut with the plaintiff, at the time residing there, but whom 
the defendant had the year before seduced in the state of California. 
In consideration of the seduction the defendant promised to pay the 
plaintiff annually during her life, for her board, the sum of $500, in 
monthly payments, and also such sums, not exceeding $500 a year, 
as should be necessary for her clothing. Payments were made by 
defendant for about a year, when he refused further to perform his 
contract. Such a contract by the laws of Connecticut, where it was 
made and was to be performed, was a valid contract, and the consid- 
eration sufficient in law to sustain an express promise made by the 
defendant to make reparation for injuries sustained by past seduc- 
tion. 
Francis Fellowes, for plaintiff. 
E. J. Dooley, for defendant. 
Blatchfoed, C. J. The complaint does not appear to be demur- 
rable, as showing on its face that it does not state facts sufficient to 
constitute a cause of action. It sets forth that the contract sued on 
was a paroi contract made in Connecticut, and to be performed there, 
and that by the law of Connecticut it was and is a valid contract in 
law, and the consideration for it, set forth in the complaint, was a 
good consideration for the promises contained in the contract. This 
seems to be so by the decision in Smith v. Richards, 29 Conu. 232. 
But, even if not so, the complaint alleges it to be so, and hence is 
not demurrable for the cause alleged. The defendant may answer 
in 20 days on payment of costs. 
*Reported by S. Nelson White, Esq., of the New York bar.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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resented that he possessed any other authority. But in that case 
the corporation, by having a principal office, a general agent for all 
purposes, and a local board of directors in New Orleans, was prac- 
tically domiciled there, and there was no hardship in requiring serv- 
ice of process to be made on its general agent. It was, besides, 
proved affirmatively that the agent in the interior had no other 
authority, and was known to have none other, than to take risks. 
On the general principles so ably euforced by Chief Justice Green, 
I would not feel justified in treating as a nullity the judgment of the 
court of Louisiana virtually establishing the validity of the service 
of process on the business agent of a non-resident Insurance Com- 
pany, issued to commence a suit founded on a transaction with that 
agent, even if there were no statute in Louisiana authorizing such 
service. But the statute of that state, passed in 1877, cornes in aid 
of the general principle, and seems to have expressly rendered such 
an agent as Taber was, amenable to the process which was served 
on him. Though the last clause of the first section of that act seems to 
imply that some one agent of every non-resident Insurance company 
shall be the person empowered to be served with and to accept service 
of process for the whole state, yet the act speaks nowhere of a &quot;gen- 
erai&quot; agent, as the defendant's plea does; and the first clause of sec- 
tion 1 and the whole tenor of section 4 unite in providing that every 
agent who does business for a non-resident insurance company in the 
state, either in taking risks, or i*eceiving premiums, or transacting any 
business, shall first have been appointed and empowered respecting 
process, as provided in the first section. If so, then Taber must be pre- 
sumed to have been so empowered, and the defendant would not be 
heard to deny that it bas, in respect to him, complied with the re- 
quirements. of the statute. For a corporation to seek to avoid its 
own contract by reason of a misnomer is reprehended by Lord Coke 
as a pernicious novelty, which &quot;till this generation of late times was 
never read of in any of our books.&quot; Sir Moyle Finch' s Case, 6 Bep. 
65a. Surely a corporation's neglect to produce a certificate neces- 
sary to vindicate itself and its agent from crime, should not be al- 
lowed to exempt it from liability for that agent's aets. 
There is abundant authority to show that a suit may be main- 
tained upon a foreign judgment recovered in a country of which the 
defendant, even though a natural person, was a citizen or resident, 
according ta the laws of that country, though process was never in 
fact served upon him at all; and that such a judgment will not be 
deemed void as repugnant to natural justice.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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of that, either when it employed them, or at some time before the 
happening of this injury to the plaintiff. If there is no proof beforo 
you that the railroad company had any such notice ; if at the time of 
employing these persons they had no reason to believe that they were 
incompetent, — then the plaintiii cannot recover upon the ground that 
these parties complained of were known to be incompetent and unfit 
perEons. 
The dame rule substantially applies to the question of the suffi- 
ciency of the machinery. The railroad company agrees, when they 
employ a man to work for them, that they will furnish him with rea- 
sonably safe and convenient implements and machinery with which 
to perform his duties. If theyfail in this, and the employe isinjured 
on that account, and without fault of his own, they are liable. As I 
have said before, the only question here with regard to the machinery 
is whether the absence of the link from the tender is such a defect in 
the machinery as the plaintiff had no reason to apprehend ; whether 
it was an unusual thing, and in consequence of it the plaintiff was 
subjected to extraordinary dangers and perils. If you find that it 
was not unusual to have the links left off the tender, then the plain- 
tiff, of course, was bound to be advised of that fact, and cannot re- 
cover upon that ground. But if you find that it was the duty of the 
railroad company always to have the link on the tender, and that the 
failure to do that was to leave the machinery in an unusually dan- 
gerous condition, the fact would gjve the plaintiff the right to re- 
cover. 
At the request of the defendant's counsel I instruct you to find 
epecially upon the following questions : 
(1) Was the assistant yard-master a competent person for that position 
■\ 'hen employed and put to work by the defendant as such assistant yard-mas- 
ter ¥ (2) At the time of the injury in question was the assistant yard-mas- 
ter an unsuitable and incompetent person for that position, to the knowledge 
of the defendant? (3) When employed and put in charge of the engine in 
question, was the engineer, Mr. Dean, a competent person for that position ? 
(4) At the time of the injury in question was the engineer in charge of the 
engine in question an incompetent and unsuitable person for that position, to 
the knowledge of the defendant ? 
If you find for the plaintiff, you will come to the question of dam- 
ages. This is a question very largely in your discretion, limited only 
by the duty which devolves upon you not to find excessive or unrea- 
Bonable damages. You will, if you come to this question, have to 
consider the nature and extent and permanency of the plaintiff 's ir-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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upon this question the guilt or innocence of defendant depends. If, 
then, you shall find that another school of equal merit had been 
provided, reasonably accessible to the witness, offering the same, 
or substantially the same, educational facilities and advantages, 
said witness ought to have availed himself of it, and was subject to 
no wrong in being excluded from the other; and in that event your 
verdict ought to be for defendant. But, if the contrary is true, the 
defendant would be guilty, and you ought so to find, Take and con- 
sider the case, and report your verdict to the court. 
The jury disagreed. 
NOTE. 
1. Public Sohools. The question in the principal case as to the consti- 
tutionality of laws providing separate schools for colored children doea 
not arise, as has been sometimes supposed, under the clause of the four- 
teenth amendment prohibiting the states from making and enforcing &quot; any 
law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of eittzem of the 
United States.&quot; This provision refers only to those privileges and immunities 
which are derived as citizens of the United States, as distinguished from those 
derived as citizens of the state. In the Slarighte7-hoxise Cases, 16 Wall. 36, this 
distinction is pointed eut, and the general character of the rights embraced 
within each class explained. The right to attend the public schools of a state 
clearly does not corne within the flrst class. Education is a subject of domes- 
tie concem. The legislature of a state may determine to have no System of 
public instruction at all; but when it has ereated such a System, the clause 
of the fourteenth amendment, prohibiting any state from denying &quot; to any 
jjerson loithin its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws,&quot; controls the 
power of the state over the enjoyment of the rights eonferred by such System. 
The weight of authority accords with the view of the learned judge deciding 
the principal case, that this provision still leaves it within the discretion of 
the legislatures of the several states to provide separate schools for colored 
children. These cases maintain that equality of rights does not involve the 
necessity of educating white and colored persons in the same school, any more 
than it does that of educating children of both sexes, or of keeping different 
grades of scholars, in the same school ; that &quot; equality of righfjs does not neces- 
sarily imply identity of rights.&quot; But all these decisions hold that the advan. 
tages aflorded by such schools must be, in all respects, substantially equal to 
those furnished by the schools for white pupils. Bertonneau v. Direotors, 3 
Woods, 177; State v. Flood, 48 Cal. 56; Corry v. CaHer, 48 Ind. 327; State 
V. MoCann, 21 Ohio St. 198; People v. Gaston, 13 Abb. (N. Y.) Pr. (K S.) 
160; County Court v. Rohinson, 27 Ark. 116. See concurring opinion of 
Clifford, J., in Hall v. Du Cuir, 95 U. S. 504-506; and the excellent discus- 
sion of the question in Cooley, Torts, 286 et seq. 
In State v. Flood, supra, under a statute in California providing for sepa- 
rate schools, similar to that of Ohio, but where such separate school had not,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/752</title>
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reasonable and founded in good public policy. It will be seen I5y the author- 
ities hereafter referred to that wh crever carriers or inn-keepers have been 
permitted to provide separate accommodations, that it bas been required that 
such accommodations should afford equal advantages and facUities in every 
respect with thoae furnished whites; and even this discrimination, limited as 
I have mentioned, is not clearly justifiable. Cooley, Torts, 283 et seq.; 
Westchester, etc., R. Co. v. Miller, 55 Pa. St. 200. 
The case of Railroad Co. v. Brown, 17 Wall. 446, arose under an act grant- 
ing certain privileges to a railroad company, which provided that &quot;no person 
shall be excluded f rom the cars on account of color ;&quot; and the supreme court of 
the United States held &quot; that this meant that persons of color should travel iu 
the same cars that white ones did, and along with them in such cars ; and that 
the enaetment was not satisfled by the company providing cars assigned 
exclusively to persons of color, though they were as good as tiiose assigned 
exclusively for white persons, and, in fact, the very cars which were, at cer- 
tain times, assigned exclusively to white persons.&quot; In Chicago, etc., Ry. Co. 
v. Williams, 55 111. 185; S. C. 8 Am. Rep. 641, (1870,) it was held that, if a 
car had been set apart for the exclusive use of ladies, and gentlemen accom- 
panied by ladies, a colored woman eould not be excluded upon the ground of 
her color; but the court suggested that the carrier's duty would probably be 
performed if it furnished a separate car or seats equally as comfortable for 
colored women. See Bay v. Owen, 5 Mich. 520, (1858;) Thompson, Car. 
Pass. 335; Hutchinson, Carriers. Where a colored lady passenger on a 
steam-boat was not permitted to dine in the cabin, but was ofEered accommo- 
dations on the guards or in the pantry, a recovery against the carrier was siis- 
tained. The court held that under the laws and constitution, and its amend- 
ments, of the state of Iowa and of the federal government, a person of color is 
entitled to the same rights and privileges when traveling as a white person, 
and cannot be required by any rule or custom, based on distinctions of race or 
color, to accept other or different accommodations than those furnished to 
white persons. Coger v. N. W. Union Pack. Co. 37 Iowa, 145. See this case 
referred to by Justice Clifford in Hall v. De Cuir, 95 U. S. 507, 508. A rail- 
road company may rightfully exclude from the ladies' car a female passenger 
whose reputation is so notoriously bad as to furnish reasonable grounds to 
believe that her conduct will be offensive, or whose demeanor at the time is 
annoying to other passengera ; but mere unchastity will not warrant her ex- 
clusion from such car whether she be white or colored. Brown v. Memphis, 
etc., R. Co. 5 FED. Eep. 499; 11 Hep. 424; 12 Cent. Law J. 442. Inn-keepers 
and carriers may provide separate accommodations for colored guests and 
passengers, but they must be equal in quality and eonvenience with those 
furnished white persons. TJie Civil Rights Bill, 1 Iluglies, 541, 547; &amp;reen v. 
City of Bridgetown, (Dist. Ga.) 9 Cent. Law J. 206. See Cully v. B. &amp; O. R. 
Co. 1 Hughes, 536. Also under the Pennsylvania statute prohibiting classifi- 
cation on account of color. Central R. Co. v. Qreen, 86 Pa. St. 427. Laws 
have been adopted in some states securing to all persons equal rights in the 
vehioles of common carriers, at theaters, inns, etc., and giving a right of action 
for the deniai thereof ; and such legislation bas been fully sustained. Joseph&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/770</title>
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The pilot's testimony, that the schooner was about 300 yards off, 
about a point and a half on the starboard bow when first seen, and 
that she had no side lights, is confirmed by the testimony of the 
lookout, the man at the -wheel, the boatswain, and by the master of 
the steamer. Their statements as to the change in the schooner's 
sails differ somewhat, but not more than might be expected when it 
is considered that the pilot alone had the aid of glasses, and that 
some of these witnesses did not make out the hull and sails of the 
schooner until she was very close. They all agree, however, that at 
the moment of collision the sails were on the schooner's port side. 
A further analysis of the testimony of the persons on the steamer 
would be useless. We have become convinced that it is from their 
statements that we are to gather the facts of the collision, and we 
find no reason to disbelieve the substantial truth of the cause they 
assign for it. The principal difficulty I had at the first hearing arose 
from the testimony introduced by the libellants to impeach the boat- 
swain of the steamer. A number of wituesses have testified that 
after the steamer arrived in port the boatswain, on several occasions, 
made a different statement about the schooner's lights, sometimes in 
the presence of the lookout and the wheelaman, who did not dissent 
from what he said. 
If what these impeaching witnesses suppose the boatswain said in 
the conversations they report was really what he intended to say, 
(which he denies,) and he said what he believed to be true, then there 
ean be no truth in any of the testimony of the steamer's witnesses 
from first to last. If he did intend to say that the schooner's red 
light was visible, and that she did not change her course, the acceptance 
of these statements as true would involve the collision in so mutih that 
is unaccountable and irreconc^able, that we hardly see how we could 
have believed the boatswain if he had, as a witness, sworn to what is 
sought to be inferred from these chance conversations with him. That 
the boatswain had but little opportimity to carefully observe the 
schooner is obvious, He states that he was trimming the lamp of 
the pole-compass when he heard the light reported ; that as he came 
down onto the lower bridge he saw the s mail white light off on the 
starboard bow, and he took it to be an anchor-light. At that instant, 
he states, he heard the bells to stop, and, taking a better look, he saw 
the side of avessel, and that a collision was imminent. He sprang 
from the bridge to the deck and ran onto the top-gallant forecastle 
just in timeto see the schooner eut down and her mainmast fall over 
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/796</title>
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baies; and (3) failure to deliver in &quot;good order and condition. No 
question of law is involved; and very little space need be occupied 
in discussing the facts. An analysis of the testimony would require 
much time and labor, and be of little value. It is sufficient to say 
that, in the judgment of the court, neither of the allegations is eus- 
tained. 
Unleas the master and mate have sworn falsely, all the cargo 
shipped was delivered; and there is nothing to justify a belief that 
they have sworn falsely. 
A fair construction of the contract (in the light of surrounding cir- 
cumstances) seems to justify all the cutting of baies shown by the 
evidence. The object of cutting, and of the provision respecting it 
in the contract, was to provide for convenient stowage. It does not 
appear that any more baies were eut than was neeessary for this pur- 
pose. 
The obligation of the libellant, as respects delivery in &quot;good con- 
dition,&quot; was an obligation for proper stowage, and did not extend 
beyond a requirement to comply with the usual custom of stowing such 
a cargo. The weight of the evidence justifies a belief that this custom 
was complied with. While the testimony here is conflicting, and the 
respondent's case was prepared with unusual care, and urged with 
much ability, a very patient examination bas satisfied me that the 
weight of the evidence is with the libellant. 
A decree must be entered against the respondent for freight, with 
costs.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/822</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>703192</id>
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Bhal to deliver the priaoner to the jailer of the county of residence, 
and if bail is not given before the ensuing trial term of the court, 
then he shall take the prisoner and deliver him to the jailer of the 
county in which such court is held. I think the iirst temporary com- 
mitment is allowable, as it is for the benefit of the prisoner, and in 
no way savors of oppression. Such a mittimus will afford authority 
and protection to the marshal in transporting to the place of trial. 
As the marshal in this case followed the uniform practice of state 
sheriffs in transporting prisoners, I think his action is not censur- 
able. 
I have directed the clerk of this court to enter of record an order 
requiring the jailer of this county to keep the prisoners in his jail 
until they are discharged according to law. 
Whiting V. Wellington. 
(dreuit Uourt, D. Massachusetts. January 31, 1882.) 
1. Real Action pob Possession of Land. 
An action, brought to try the right of possession to a parcel of land under the 
statuteof Massachusetts, (Qen. St. e.l40, ^ 3,)byamortgiigeeagainstamortgagor 
after condition brolsen, for possession of the premises, where either party may 
require that a conditional judgment be entered ascertaining the amount of the 
debt, and awarding possession to the demandant, unless the tenant shail pay 
the amount so ascertained within two months, is a substitute for an entry upon 
the land for the purposes of foreclosuie, plus a judicial determination of the 
right of entry. 
2. Same — Assignee — Jukisdiction. 
The circuit court has jurisdiction in a real action for the possession of land 
brought by an assignee of the note and mortgage. 
3. Corporations — Authority op Ofpiobrs. 
Where the treasurer of a savings bank, having the authority to do so, exe- 
cuted an assignment of a mortgage in the name of the bank in due form, and 
indorsed the note to a bona fide purohaser, the title passes, notwithstanding he 
perpetrated a fraud upon the bank, and convertcd to his own use the purchase 
money. 
4. Same — Estoppel in Pais. 
A corporation is estopped to prove, as against bona fide purchasers, either 
irregularity or fraud upon the part of its officers when acting within their 
authority. 
Eeal action to recover certain lands in Eeading, Massachusetts, 
tried upon agreed facts. The tenant, Wellington, being seized in fee 
of the demanded premises mortgaged them in 1874 to the Eeading&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/856</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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eion of J. F. Steffen, for the purpose of being repaired; that during 
those months the libellants, Charles Nelson, Peter Johnson, and Jonas 
Carlson, at the request of said Steffen, worked upon said boat as ship 
carpenters &quot;at the agreed rate of wages&quot; of four dollars per day, — Nel- 
son for 48 days, Johnson 22 days, and Carlson 29 days; that there is 
due said libellants on account of said labor as follows : To Nelson $192, 
to Johnson $88, and to Carlson $116, no part of which has been paid, 
and for which they each claim a lien upon said boat under the laws 
of Oregon and under the general admiralty law. 
The respondent, William Eeid, answering the libel, says in article 
1 that the boat belongs to respondent, and was only in possession of 
Steffen to be repaired upon a contract between them, but that said 
Steffen was not the agent of said owner &quot;for the purpose of procur- 
ing any work or labor&quot; on said boat, nor for any &quot;purpose save that 
of executing the work he had contraoted to do.&quot; In article 2 the 
respondent says that he is &quot;ignorant&quot; of the employment of the libel- 
lants upon the boat, and their claim to a lien thereon for their labor. 
The third article states, in effect, that Steffen abandoned his contract 
and the respondent was compelled to finish said repairs, and that 
there is now due said Steffen thereon the sum of $927.50, which sum 
the respondent is willing to pay to the creditors of the latter entitled 
thereto, but is prevented from so doing by the prooess of the state 
circuit court issued at the suit of Steffen's creditors, and asks that 
the respondent be discharged without costs. The libellants except 
to the second article of the answer as insufficient, and to the third 
article, and so much of the first as states that Steffen was not the 
agent of the respondent to employ the libellants, for impertinence. 
The exception for insufficienoy is disallowed. When a respondent 
has no knowledge conceruing the matter contained in any article of 
a libel, according to the precedents, it seems that it is sufficient to 
say that he is ignorant thereof ; though I think it would be well to 
require him also to state what his belief about the matter is, as in 
answer in chancery. Ben. Adm. § 473. 
The contract of a material-man is a maritime one, and may be en- 
forced in admiralty. Ben. Adm. §§ 267, 268 ; The St. Lawrence, 1 
Black, 522; The Eliza Ladd, 3 Sawy. 519. AU persons who are 
employed to repair a vessel or do work upon her are material-men 
within this rule. 1 Pars. Ship. &amp; Adm. 141; Ben. Adm. §§ 267, 
268. By the general maritime law material-men have a lien upon 
the vessel for the services or supplies f umished by them ; but by the 
admiralty law of the United States, as expounded by its courts, ma-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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as follows: The N. E. J of the N. W. ^ of section 34, in towusbip 
No. 30 north, of range No. 15 west. 
The suit is founded in part upon a written contract entered into 
between the defendant Pati'ick Bellew on the one side, and Erastus 
Corning, Horatio Seymour, William Allen Butler, William Ef. Ogden, 
and other persons residing in the state of New York, and B. J. 
Stevens, residing in the state bf Wisconsin, land-owners, by Angus- 
tus Ledyard Smith, their attorney, on the other. This contract was 
made in Augast, 1875. The defendant Patrick Bellew was a.lum- 
berman residing in Wisconsin. The other parties to the contract 
were the owners in severalty of large quantities of pine lands lying 
in northern Wisconsin. By the contract they, through their agent, 
AugustuB Ledyard Smith, residing at Appleton,' Wisconsin, agree to 
sell to Bellew a quantity of pine lands lying in the county of St. 
Croix, the price to be determined by an estimate to. be afterwards 
made of the amount of pine timber upon each description of land at 
$2.50 an acre for the stumpage. They also agree to sell to Bellew 
the pine timber upon certain other lands described in the contract 
at the rate of |3. 50 per thousand feet for stumpage. 
Bellew is to build a saw-mill worth $9,000 upon one of the 40- 
acre tracts of land included in the contract, to be selected by him, 
and the other parties to the contract agree to give him title to the 40 
acres so selected for the mill site, after which Bellew is to have the 
privilege of mortgaging the land selected for the mill site to an out- 
side party in the sum of $6,500, and then is to give a second mort- 
gage back to the other parties to the contract to secure the faithf ul 
performance of the contract. The material provision in the contract, 
on which the suit is in part founded, is as follows : 
&quot;And the said party of the second part does hereby covenant and agree 
witTi the said parties of the flrst part, for and in consideration of one dollar, 
to him in hand paidj the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged, to build, 
maintain, and erect a good, substantial saw-mill upon certain lands, to be 
hereinafter described ; the mill to be of the value of at least $9,000. The land 
upon which said mill is to be built is to be hereafter selected by the party of 
the second part, and the forty upon which it is built and erected is to be con- 
veyed by the parties of the tirst part, by good and sufflcient deed, conveying 
to the party of the second part the title thereof iu fee-siraple. And, the said 
party of the second part is to have the right to mortgage the forty upon 
which the said mill is built, after the same shall have beeu cqnvjeyed to him 
as aforesaid, to an outside or third party, in a sum not exceeding $6,500, and 
after the same is so mortgaged he covenanta and agrees to giVe to the party 
of the flrst part a second mortgage on the said laid upon wMch the- mill is 
built, as aforesaid, and which is couveyed to him, as aforesaid, :artd which said&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/868</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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(Hubbard's) mortgage was good, and that Hubbard should not lose 
anyfching on it. Smith was the agent who made the contract on the 
part of the land-owners in New York, and was their general agent 
and representative in thia state, and while the plaintiff'a case does 
not rest on this recognition of his rights by the defendants, such rec- 
ognition confirma the construction put upon the contract-deed trans- 
action by the court, and shows what the understanding of the parties 
was. That construction is also conurmed by the allegations of the 
defendant land-ownera in their bill of complaint against Bellew in 
the atate court, where they allege, and the court finds aa one breach 
of the contract on the part of Bellew, that he had failed to give them 
a second mortgage on the mill forty to secure the contract with him. 
Of course, aa they had never conveyed the mill forty to Bellew as they 
agreed in the contract, it was not essential to their aecurity that Bel- 
lew should mortgage back to them ; but the allegation serves to show 
the understanding of the contract, and that understanding coniports 
with the letter and plain intent thereof, and the construction now put 
upon it by the court. 
It is inaisted, also, by the defendants, that the contract between 
Hubbard and Bellew is void, as being within the atatute of frauds. 
But it ia evident that the statute of frauds has no application to the 
case. So far as the creation of any interest in land is concerned, 
the evidence is in writing, 
I think there should be a deoree in favor of the plaintiff ; that he 
should be adjudged to have a lien upon the mill 40 acres for the 
amount of $6,500, with interest at 7 per cent, from the time of fin- 
ishing, say February 6, 1876; and that the premisea be sold as under 
a mortgage proper, to satisfy the amount of his said claim, with in- 
terest and costs of suit, giving the uaual time of redemption.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/870</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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&quot;&quot;WTiereas, Mary Vermilya, lateof the city of li'ew York, deceased, was, in 
her life-time, seized in fee-siinple of aud in certain lots, pieces, or parcels of 
ground, liereinaf ter more particularly described ; and whereas, the said Mary 
Vermilya did, in and by her last will and testament, .by her duly made and 
published to pass real estate, and bearing date the second day of September, 
A. D. 1824. give and devise all her real estate, whatsoever and wheresqev.er,. 
untp her niece, Mary Ann Jarvis, her mother, Sarah Vermilya, and her 
brother, Thomas Vermilya, all of. the elty of Kew York, to the survivor of 
them, and to the heirs and assigns of such survivor; and whereas, Sarah 
Vermilya, my mother, is now dead, and the said property is now vested in me, 
the said Thomas Vermilya, and Mary Ann Jarvis, in fee-simple, and I, the 
said Thomas Vermilya, being desirons of vesting the whole in my niece, 
Mary Ann Jarvis, now, therefore, this indenture witneasoth,&quot; etc. 
— That the said Mary Ann Jarvis, in the year 1840, intermarried with 
oue Thomas S. Christophers. That on the sixth of September, 1844, 
she, together with her husband, being the owners in equity, and 
believing that she was at law the owner in fee-simple, of the said 
property, undertook, by their deed, to convey in fee-simple the same 
to one John Arbuckle, who entered into possession and spent large 
sums of money in erecting buildings thereon. That the said Mary 
Ann Christophers departed this life January 29, 1846, leaving the 
said Thomas Vermilya surviving her, and two children, Thomas V. J. 
Christophers and James J. V. Christophers. That the complainant 
now bolds the said real estate, under the said John Arbuckle, by vir- 
tue of divers mesne conveyances. That the said Thomas Vermilya 
died in the mon th of September, 1853, after duly executing his laet 
will and testament, which was admitted to probate before the surro- 
gate of the city and county of New York, in which he devised the 
whole of his real estate to the two children of his niece, Mary Ann 
Jarvis, (Christophers,) and to Thomas S. Christophers, the husband 
of the said Mary Ann, to be held by them equally, in fee-simple. 
That the said James J. V. Christophers died October 3, 1865, intes- 
tate, and without issue, leaving his brother Thomas his only heir at 
law. That Thomas S. Christophers departed this life, intestate and 
unmarried, July 3, 186O, leaving his son Thomas his sole heir at 
law. That the only heirs at law of Mary Vermilya, at the time of her 
death, were Thomas Vermilya and Mary Ann Jarvis ; and that the 
said Thomas V. J. Christophers has lately brought into this court an 
action of ejectment against James Brown, tenant of the complainant, 
in possession of a portion of the said premises, and the complainant 
has been admitted to defend the said suit as the landlord of James.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/882</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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tion of such messengers or agents as of the express matter in their custody 
and under their eontrol. 
(6) That on and subsequent to the first day of April, 1878, the said de- 
fendant afEorded to the said plaintifE all the facilities needed by it for the 
conduct of its express business over the defendaat'3 Unes, and such as were 
specifically provided for in the contracts in the bill herein set forth; that 
thereafter the defendant notifled the plaintifl that such facilities would be 
withdrawn; and that it was the intention and purpose of the defendant to 
exclude the plaintiff's company frora its lines on and after the twenty-fifth 
day of May, 1880; that such intention and purpose were restrained by the 
preliminary injunetion order of the court, which said injunction order was 
afterwards modified, as appears in the record. 
(7) That it is the duty of the defendant to afEord to the plaintifl all ex- 
press facilities, and to the same extent and upon the same trains that said 
defendant may accord to itself, or to any other company or corporation 
engaged in the conduct of an express business on the defendant's lines, and 
to afCord the same facilities to plaintifl on all its passenger trains. 
(8) That the plaintifE keep and render monthly a true account of the serv- 
ices performed for it by defendant, and pay therefor at the rate hereinafter 
specified, on or before the flf teenth of each month after the date hereof , for 
the business of the month preeeding, and that the defendant has no right to 
require prepayment for said express facilities, or payment therefor at the end 
of every train, or in any other manner than as is herein provided ; and that 
plaintifl execute and deliver to the defendant a bond in the sum of one hun- 
dred and flfty thousand dollars, ($150,000,) conditioned well and faithfully to 
make such payments as are herein provided, and with surety to be approved 
by a judge of the court. 
(9) That it is and was the duty of the said defendant to afford and to have 
aflorded such facilities to the plaintifl as herein specified for a just and rea- 
sonable compensation, 
(10) Whereas, It is alleged by complainant that, since the commencement 
of this suit and the service of the preliminary order of injunction herein, the 
defendant has, in violation of said injunetion and of the rights of complain- 
ant, made unjust discriminations against complainant, and has charged 
complainant unjust and unreasonable rates for carrying express matter; there- 
fore, it is ordered that complainant have leave hereafter to apply for an inves- 
tigation of these and similar allegations, and for such order with respect 
thereto as the facts, when ascertained, may justify, and for the appointment 
of a master to take proof and report thereon. 
(11) That the defendant, its officers, agents, servants and employes, and all 
persons acting under their authority, be, and they hereby are, permanently 
and perpetually enjoined and restrained from interfering with, or disturbing 
in any manner, the enjoyment by the plaintifl of the facilities provided for in 
this decree to be accorded to ifc by the said defendant upon its lines of rail- 
way, or such as have been heretofore accorded to it, for the transaction of the 
business of the plaintifl, and of the express business of the public confided to 
ils care, and from interfering with any of the express matter or messengers 
of the plaintifl, and from excluding or rejecting any of its express matter or&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/888</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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United States v. Keybs. 
{Oireuit Court, B. New Hampshire. March 13, 1882.) 
1. Cbimisai, Law— Possession dp Unstamped Tobacco. 
Eveiy person who has in his possession, not in a manufactory, manufactured 
tobacco, in any quantity, unstamped, whether the same is refuse and wortli- 
less or otherwise, or whettier it had been purcliased to be remanufactured into 
snuff or not, or whether a tax had been paid on it prier to the passage of the 
act of congress making it criminal to have in possession unstamped manu- 
factured tobacco, is liable for the penalty imposed in section 71 of the act of 
1868, (15 8t. at Large, 156.) 
2. Same— GiST of Offencb. 
The gist of the ofEence is having in possession unstamped manufactured 
tobacco, irrespective of the considerations of value, purpose, or payment of the 
tas. 
3 Same— PowEU of CoNdREsa. 
Congress has as much power to say that the tax shall be paid in a particular 
way, — that is, by stamps, — as it has to impose any tax, and all its requirements 
must be complied with. 
On Motion for New Trial. 
[7. S. Atty. Role, for plaintiff. 
Mr. Marston, for defendant. 
Clark, D. J. The respondent was indicted undor the seventy-first 
section of the act of 1868, (15 St. at Large, 156,) for having in his 
possession on the first day of May, 1870, and from that time, in a 
certain barn, to the twenty-eighth day of the same May, and' not in a 
manufactory of tobacco, or in a bonded warehouse, 200 pounds of 
manufactured tobacco, without the proper stamps affixed thereto, and 
was fou ad guilty by the jury. It appeared in evidence that some 
time previous to May, 1870, the respondent purohased in Boston of 
Eussell &amp; Willey some 226 pounds of tobacco, the remnants of vari- 
ous lots, of which they had previously sold the balance. It was manu- 
factured tobacco, in plugs, some &quot;cavendish,&quot; some &quot;navy,&quot; but dam- 
aged. The respondent paid 35 cents per pound for it, and it was 
packed in two barrels. When Eussell &amp; Willey sold it it was un- 
stamped, and no taxes had been paid upon it, The respondent knew 
this and so purchased it. He gave his note in payment for it. When 
the note became due he deolined to pay it, becauae the tobacco had 
been afterwards sold in violation of law, and complained of Kus- 
sell for selling him unstamped tobacco, and caused him to be ar- 
rested. Eussell settled with the officers by paying, by way of pen&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:Federal Reporter, 1st Series, Volume 10.djvu/906</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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notice of the calling in of the outstanding warrants of said county 
bas been given.&quot; 
Tbe return here referred to is spread at large upon the record of 
the county court in the proceedings under the call, and is made part 
of it, and discloses on the face of it the defeot in the proof of publica- 
tion which we have pointed out. Where, as in this case, the proceedings 
are had under special statutory authority, not according to the course 
of the common law, the recital of due notice must be read in connec- 
tion with that part of the record which gives the officiai evidence 
prescribed by statute. No presumption will be allowed that other or 
different evidence was produced, and if the evidence in the record 
■will not justify the recital it will be disregarded. Settlemier v. Sulli- 
van, 97 U. S. 444; Galpin v. Page, 18 Wall 350. 
McCbari, C. J., concurs. 
TjiNTON and Wife v. First Nat. Bank op Kittannino and others. 
[Circuit Court, W. D, Pennsylvania. March 11, 1882.) 
1. Name — RioHT TO Change. 
At common law a man may lawfully change his name, and he is bound by 
any contract into which he may enter in his adopted or reputed name. and by 
his known and recognized name be may sue and be sued. 
2. PlBADIKG — InSUFFICIBNT Pi,BA. 
' In a suit by husband and wife, in her behalf , a plea which alleges that the 
surname in which they sue is not the husband's real name, but which does not 
deny that it is his known and recognized name, is bad. 
3. Guardian — Appointment — Scopb of Authority under. 
An appointment by an orphans' court in Pennsylvania of a guardian for cer- 
tain designated estates of a non-resident minor, lying within the jurisdiction of 
the court, does not operate so as to constitute the appointee the general guard- 
ian of all the estates of such minor within the commonwealth, but the guard- 
ianship is limited to the particular estates mentioned in the petition and 
order. 
4. Trust Dbbd— Rioiitb of Bbnbficiaky — Minority — Effect of Marriagk. 
Where B., in consideration of love and affection for his granddaughter, a 
minor, set apart for hor separate use certain bank stock, the trust deed provid- 
ing that she should not &quot; sell, dispose of, or charge&quot; said stock or its dlvidends 
without the consent and concurrence of such guardian or trustee as the proper 
court might appoint for her, but giving her &quot; the full right to use and enjoy&quot; 
for her &quot; own use&quot; and that of her family all the dividenda, the cestui que trust 
having attained her twentieth birtbday, and being then married, Tield, that she 
was entitled to receivo the dividends directly from the bank without the inter- 
vention of eilher ifuai-dian or trustee.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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X Samb— Abandonment undek Section 4894, Bbv. St. 
Section 4894, Rev. St., which provides that upon failure to prosecnte an ap- 
plication within two years after action Is had thereon by the patent-office, it 
shall be regarded as abandoned, refers to the application, not the invention, 
and does not prevent a subsequent application for the same invention. 
8. Samb — Same — Dbpences. 
Such subsequent application can derive no aid as to time from the prier 
abandoned application. The applicant must stand, as to defences in suits on 
the patent, as if the new application were the first application. 
4. Same — Patbntability — Recognition bt Public. 
Where an article is of great utility, has superseded older articles, and islargely 
recognized by the public and licensees as a useful invention, there is a stiong 
presumption in favor of its patentability. 
In Equity. 
Munson e Phillips, for plaintiff. 
J. B. Staples, for defendant. 
Blatchford, g. J. This suit is brought on lettera patent No. 
202,735, granted to the plaintiff April 23, 1878, for an &quot;improvement 
in sleeve supporters.&quot; Some time in 1873 the plaintiff invented a 
clasp. He applied for a patent for it on the thirty-first of August, 
1874, and obtained a patent for it, (No. 156,429,) November 3, 
1874. The specification of that patent speaks of the clasp as one 
&quot;for stocking supporters or varioua other articles of wearing apparel.&quot; 
The clasp is composed of two jawed levers, pivoted together, and a 
spring arranged between them. The tail of each jaw-lever is made 
concavo-convex in transverse section, the lower lever, with its jaw, 
being extended within the upper lever and its jaw. At the place of 
connection of the two levers the lower one is puncbed inward on its 
flanks, so as to form two concavo-convex teats or projections. The 
epring is shaped or made of wire, and has an eye which is slipped 
upon the two teats, after which the upper jaw-lever is arranged with 
respect to the spring and the lower jaw-lever in proper position, and 
then is puncbed inward on its flanks, so as to enter the two teats, 
and thus the two levers are connected and pivoted together. 
The levers cover and protect the spring, and, as the specification 
says, prevent it &quot;from being caught in the stocking or clothing,&quot; and 
from moving laterally or getting out of place. The specification says 
that each of the jaws may be notched or provided with teeth in its 
opposite edges, and that by having the jaws of the lower lever close 
into the concavity of the jaw of the upper lever a much better hold 
of the &quot;material or stocking&quot; will be secured than when the jaws 
abut together at their edges. The tail of the upper lever bas a slot-&lt;noinclude&gt;
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javr. This construction is an equivalent construction for the closing 
of the lower jaw within the upper jaw, as shown in No. 156,429, and 
in the drawings of No. 202,735. The bending of the fabric, in the 
one case transversely and in the other case longitudinally, assists in 
holding it, though it by no means follows that No. 202,735 would 
not be infringed if the clasps had flush-meeting edges in the jaws, 
with a spring, or means of holding them together, sufBciently power- 
ful. No. 1 is a sleeve supporter having at each end of a piece of elas- 
tic webbing a clasp made of two jaws of springy metal, the end of 
each of which is a lip projecting towards the other jaw, one lip shut- 
ting inside of the other and the ends of the lips not meeting. There is 
a slide enclosing the shank of the two jaws, and the bite is made by 
sliding the slide towards the lips, which forces the lips together. 
Sliding the slide in the reverse direction allows the jaws to open, 
which they do by their springy action, they being set to stand open 
unless made to shut. They shut against the action of the spring, 
while in the plaintiff's form the clasp opens against the action of the 
spring. 
The form of clasp in No. 1 is substantially the clasp shown in the 
Ellis patent, No. 137,539, granted April 8, 1873. But that patent 
shows that Ellis contemplated the use of only one clasp, and that at 
the top of a stocking, while above the supporter was to be attached 
by a button to a waistband. No. 1 has all the points of advantage of 
the plaintiff's structure. It has an automatio clasping device at each 
end, consisting of clamping jaws, and the structure as a whole, and 
in its parts, and in their oo-operation to effect the resuit produced by 
the whole, is the equivalent of the plaintifi's structure. The change 
in the springy action, to hold open instead of to hold shut, is imma- 
terial in regard to the action of the structure as a whole. There was 
nothing in the Ellis clasp by itself to indicate the plaintiff's supporter 
or No. 1, any more than there was anything in the plaintiff's clasp by 
itself to indicate the plaintiff's supporter or No. 2. On the foregoing 
considerations it must be held that both No. 1 and No. 2 infringe the 
second claim of No. 202,735, and there must be a decree to that 
effect, and for an account of profits and damages, with a perpetuai 
injunction, and costs to the plaintiff.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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fi. Common-Law Lien Pkotbctbd. 
The common-law lien of a shipwright In possession Ls recognized and pro- 
tected in admiralty where the vessel ls seized under proceas of the court in 
other proceedings. 
6. Casb State d. 
■Where H., a shipwright, made repairs upon a vessel inhis yard beyond wnat 
was necessary, and enlarged her at the request of the cwners of seven-eighths, 
but with notice of dissent from the other part owner ; launched lier in course 
of the worli ; retained her in the stream adjacent to his yard ; worked upon her 
daily until three days prior to the time when she was seized by the marshal 
under process of this court upon a libel by another for supplies, and the ves- 
sel was still unflnighed in her forecastle and her center-board not being in, but 
in the shipwright's yard ; and the mate in the employ of the owner had contin- 
ued on the vessel from the time she was taken for repairs to the ship-yard until 
she was seized by the marshal, sleeping on board; and the captain with his son, 
after she was launched, having been more or less aboard with the shipwright's 
assent, though forbidden to interfere ; and the marshal, upon coming to arrest 
the vessel, being forbidden by H. on the ground that she was in his possession : 
HM, that the presence of the mate, and also of the captain upon sulierance, 
were not suflBcient evidence of any surrender of the vessel by H.; that the ves- 
sel continued in his possession in the stream, as upon shore, at the time when 
she was seized by the marshal ; and that H. was therefore entitled to intervene 
as a claimant for the protection of his interest as against the shares of those 
who employed him. 
Hearing on Exceptions to Intervenor's Claim. 
H. B. Kinghorn and R. D. Benedict, for libellant. 
Scudder d Carter and G. A . Black, for Hawkins, lienor. 
Brown, d. J. This hearing arises upon the report of the clerk, to 
whom it was referred on December 23, 1879, to take such testimony 
as might ie offered concerning the interest of John P. Hawkins in 
the Bchooner Two Marys, and his right to appear as claimant. The 
claim of Hawkins was filed September 22, 1879, and averred that he 
was in possession of the schooner at the time she was seized by the 
marshal on September 17th; that he had been repairing and recon- 
structing her; that his work was not completed, and the sum of 
$5,000 was due him. Libellant filed exceptive allegations to this 
claim, averring that Hawkins had no lien, was not in possession, had 
surrendered and abandoned her, that nothing was owing him, and 
that he had no interest in the vessel. 
At the time of seizure, Hawkins, and Crowley, the master, each 
claim to have been in possession. On the twenty-second of Septem- 
ber, Hawkins, as claimant, gave a bond for libellant's claim under 
the act of 1847, and the usual order for the release of the vessel was 
given on that day, and Hawkins received from the marshal a notice 
to the keeper for the discharge of the vessel. On going aboard he 
found Crowley already there. A controversy arose, the resuit of&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 45 Part 1.djvu/240</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
    <id>708182</id>
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      <text bytes="4195" sha1="l5mmvsguho08khcnlufhe3vlplevdsa" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;TarmstroBot&quot; /&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;SEVENTIETH
CONGRESS .
SEss .
I.
CH. 126. 1928.
	
189
may be paid, in the discretion of the Postmaster General, for the
pl
Robbing
g
postal
em
.
arrest and conviction of any person on the charge of robbing a post-
master or any employee of a post office of money or property of the
United States : Provided further, That of the amount herein appro-
Securing
in forma-
priated not to exceed $20,000 may be expended, in the discretion of
the Postmaster General, for the purpose of securing information
concerning violations of the postal laws and for services and
information looking toward the apprehension of criminals .
OF FICE
OF
THE
FIR ST
ASSISTANT
PO STMA STER
GE NERA L
First Assistan t Post-
master General .
For compensation to postmasters, $52,000,000 .
	
Postm aste rs .
For compensation to assistant postmasters at first and second class
teAssistant
postmas-
post offices, $7,250,000 .
For compensation to clerks and employees at first and second class
clews, etc., first and
compensation
	
sec ond class offi cers,
post offices, including auxiliary clerk hire at summer and winter post
offices, and printers, mechanics, and skilled laborers, $171,500,000 .
For compensation to watchmen messengers laborers and substi-
r,
, etc
.
messen-
7
	
7
	
)
	
g ets
tutes, $8,750,000 .
For compensation to clerks in charge of contract stations
Contract
tRtion
f clerks
.
$1 ,800,000 .
For separating mails at third and fourth class post offices, $515,000 .
separating mails .
For unusual conditions at post offices, $125,000 .
	
Unusual
conditions .
For allowances to third-class post offices to cover the cost of clerical
o fCer ks, trial class
services, $9,000,000 .
For rent, light, and fuel for first, second, and third class post offices,
Rent, light, and fuel .
$18,250,000 .
For misce llaneo us ite ms nec essary and i ncident al to the op eratio n
Miscellaneous, first
y
	
and seco
.
,
d Class offices
.
and protection of post offices of the first and second classes and the
business conducted in connection therewith, not provided for in other
appropriations, $1,970,000.
For village delivery service in towns and villages having post
Village delivery.
of fices of the secon d or t hird c lass, and in commun ities adjace nt to
cities having city delivery, $1,600,000 .
For Detroit River postal service, $18,000 .
	
Detroit River .
For car fare and bicycle allowance, including special-delivery car
Car fare and bicycles .
f are , $1,375,00 0 .
	
Citydeliverycarriers .
For pay of letter carriers, City Delivery Service, $126,000,000 .
	
Special delivery fees
.
For fees to special-delivery messengers, $8,250,000 .
For the transmission of mail b pneumatic tubes or other similar
Pneumatic
tubes
.
y
	
New
Y ork
and
devices in the city of New York, including the Borough of Brooklyn
Brooklyn .
of the city of New York, including power, labor, and all other
op eratin g expe nses, $530,0 00 .
For the rental of not exceeding two miles of pneumatic tubes, not
Bo
ta n,
mass .
including labor and power in operating the same, for the transmis-
sion of mail in the city of Boston, Massachusetts,
$24,000 : Provided,
Contrac
*
ts.
That the provisions not inconsistent herewith of the Acts of April 21,
35 VPl
.4
32, p
. 114; Vol.
1902, and May 27, 1908,
rel ating to the t ransm issi on of mail by
pneumatic tubes or other similar devices shall be applicable hereto .
For vehicle allowance, the hiring of drivers, the rental of vehicles
Vehic le al Iowa nce f or
f
	
n
	
&gt;
	
&gt; delivery, c ollection,
and the purchase and exchange and maintenance, including stable and etc°
garage facilities, of wagons or automobiles for, and the operation of,
screen-wagon and city delivery and collection service,
$19,000,000 :
Provisos
.
P rovid ed,
That the Postmaster General may, in his disbursement of
Allotmentforg arages
.
this appropriation, apply a part thereof to the leasing of quarters for
the housing of Government-owned automobiles at a reasonable annual
rental for a term not exceeding ten years : Provided further, That
ton ,
Garage
washing-
this appropriation is available for the maintenance of the Govern-
ment-owned post-office garage at Washington, District of Columbia,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 45 Part 1.djvu/746</title>
    <ns>104</ns>
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CONGRESS . SEss . I .
CH. 675 .
1928 .
	
695
shall not exceed : For vessels of Class 7, $1 .50 per nautical mile; for
vessels of Class 6, $2 .50 per nautical mile; for vessels of Class 5, $4
per nautical mile; for vessels of Class 4, $6 per nautical mile; for
vessels of Class 3, $8 per nautical mile; for vessels of Class 2, $10 per
nautical mile; and for vessels of Class 1, $12 per nautical mile .
As
used in this section the term &quot; nautical mile &quot; means 6,080 feet.
	
Extra pay for class I
(b) When the Postmaster General is of opinion that the interests vessels maintaining es-
in the case of
sess speed .
speed .
of the postal service will be served thereby, he
may,
a vessel of class 1 capable of maintaining for speed in excess of 24
knots at sea in ordinary weather, contract for the payment of com-
pensation in excess of the maximum compensation authorized in
subsection
(a ), b ut th e com pens ation per nauti cal mile autho rize d
by this subsection shall not be greater than an amount which bears
the same ratio to $12 as the speed which such vessel is capable of
maintaining at sea in ordinary weather bears to 24 knots .
(c) If the Postmaster General is of opinion that to expedite and
maintain satisfactory service under a contract made under this title,
airplanes or airships are required to be used in conjunction with
vessels, he may allow additional compensation, in amounts to be
determined by him, on account of the use of such airplanes or
air ships .
Such airplanes or airships shall be American-built and
owned, officered, and manned by citizens of the United States .
(d) The Postmaster General shall determine the number of
nautical miles by the shortest practicable route between the ports
inv olved and pa yments under any c ontrac t made under this t itle s hall
be made for such number of miles on each outward voyage regardless
of the actual mileage traveled .
VIOLATION
OF
CONTRACTS
SEC .
410 . In the case of failure of a vessel from any cause to
perform any regular voyage required by a contract made under this
title, a pro rata deduction shall be made from the contract price
on account of such omitted voyage; and suitable deductions, to be
determined by the Postmaster General, may be made from the com-
pensation payable under the contract for delays, failures to properly
safeguard the mails, or other irregularities in the performance of
the contract . Deductions so determined upon shall be deducted by
the Postmaster General from the payments otherwise due and pay-
able under the terms of the contract . The Postmaster General may,
in case of emergency, permit the substitution for a particular voyage
of a vessel not within the provisions of the contract, even though
not conforming to the requirements of section 405 .
PASSENGERS,
FREIGHT,
AND
EXPRESS
SEC. 411.
Any vessel operating under a contract made under this
title may carry passengers and their baggage, and freight and
express, and may do all ordinary business done by similar vessels .
SEC .
412. Naval officers of the United States on the active list
may volunteer for service on any vessel employed in mail service
under a contract made under the provisions of this title, and when
accepted by the owner or master thereof may be assigned to such
duty by the Secretary of the Navy . While in such employment such
officers shall receive from the Government half pay, exclusive of
al lowan ces, and such other com pensa tion from the owner or m aste r
as may be agreed upon by the parties; but such officers while in such
employment shall be required to perform only such duties as apper-
tain to the merchant marine .
Airplane or airship
service allowance .
Co nditio ns .
Det ermining miles
between ports.
Violation
of
con -
tracts .
Deductions
to
be
made for failure to
per form re gular v oy-
age, etc .
Passengers,
freight,
and express
.
Contract vessels may
carry .
NAV AL
OFF ICE RS
	
Naval officers .
On active list may
volunteer for service
on mail vess els .
Compensation, etc .&lt;noinclude&gt;
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CONGRESS . Suss . I.
CH. 852. 1928.
allowed to them in this title only by filing or causing to be filed with
the co llector a true and accurate return o f their t otal inco me receiv ed
from all sources in the United States, in the manner prescribed in
this title ; including therein all the information which the Commis-
sioner may deem necessary for the calculation of such deductions
and c redits .
(g) Credits against tax .-Persons entitled to the benefits of this
section shall not be allowed the credits against the tax for taxes of
foreign countries and possessions of the United States allowed by
section 131 .
(h) Affiliation .-A corporation entitled to the benefits of this
secti on shall not be de emed to b e affili ated with any othe r corpora tion
within the meaning of section 141 or 142 .
SEC . 252 . CITIZENS OF POSSESSIONS OF UNITED
STA TES .
(a) Any individual who is a citizen of any possession of the
United States (but not otherwise a citizen of the United States)
and who is not a resident of the United States, shall be subject to
taxation under this title only as to income derived from sources within
the United States, and in such case the tax shall be computed and
paid in th e same manne r and subjec t to th e same condi tions as in the
case of other persons who are taxable only as to income derived
from such sources .
(b) Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter or amend
the prov isio ns of the Act entit led &quot; An A ct ma king appro pria tions
for the naval service for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1922, and
for other purpo ses,&quot; approv ed Jul y 12, 1921, r elatin g to t he imp osi-
tion of income taxes in the Virgin Islands of the United States .
Supplement K-China Trade Act Corporations
SEC . 261 . CREDIT AGAINST NET INCOME .
(a) Allowance of credit .-For the purpose only of the tax
imposed by section 13 there shall be allowed, in the case of a cor-
poration organized under the China Trade Act, 1922, in addition to
the credits provided in section 26, a credit against the net income of
an amount equal to the proportion of the net income derived from
sources within China (determined in a similar manner to that pro-
vided in section 119) which the par value of the shares of stock of
the corporation owned on the last day of the taxable year by (1)
persons resident in China, the United States or possessions of the
United States, and (2) individual citizens o&gt;t the United States or
China wherever resident, bears to the par value of the whole number
of shares of stock of the corporation outstanding on such date
Provided, That in no case shall the' amount by which the tax imposed
by section 13 is diminished by reason of such credit exceed the
amount of the special dividend certified under subsection (b) of this
section .
(b) Special dividend .-Such credit shall not be allowed unless the
Secretary of Commerce has certified to the Commissioner-
(1) The amount which, during the year ending on the date
fixed by law for f iling the return, the corpo ration ha s distrib uted
as a special dividend to or for the benefit of such persons as on
the last day of the taxable year were resident in China, the
United States, or possessions of the United States, or were indi-
vidual citiz ens of the U nited States or Chi na, an d owne d shar es
of stock of the corporation ;
(2) That such special dividend was in addition to all other
amounts, payable or to be payable to such persons or for their
benefit, by reason of their interest in the corporation ; and
851
INCO ME
TAX
Credits against tax .
No allow ance for, of
foreign g overnments .
Ante,p. 829.
Affiliation.
Not applicable to cor-
porations hereof .
Ante, pp. 831, 832.
Citizens of posses-
sions of United States .
Nonre sidents
of
United States taxable
only
on
income
from
United States sources.
Virgi n Islands .
Payment of taxes in,
not aff ected .
Vol.42,p. 123.
China Trade Act cor-
porations .
Credit against net in-
come .
Al Iowa nce o nly
for
prop ortion of in come
from
China
sources
bears to shares of resi-
dents in China .
Ante, p. 803.
Ante, p. 826 .
Precise .
Li mita tion .
Ante, p. 797.
Condition .
Credit subject to spe-
cial dividend to resi-
dents of China, etc .
Additional
to
all
other payments .&lt;noinclude&gt;
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INCOME
TAX
Dividends
in
pr o-
portion to stock owned .
Ownership
of
stock
defined .
Meaning
of&quot; China.&quot;
Vol
.42,p
. 856
.
Cr edits aga inst tax .
No allowance for, of
forei gn governmen ts .
Ante, p . 829.
Affiliation.
Not
app licable
to
co rpora tion s her eof .
Ante, pp . 831, 832 .
Income of sharehold-
ers
.
Exclusion from gross
income .
Ante, p. 824.
Assessment
and
col-
lec tion of d efici encie s .
De fin it ion
of
defi-
ciency .
Meaning of
term
.
The
amount
the
tax
imposed exceeds return
by taxp ayer .
Amount
of
tax
ex-
ceeding previous assess-
ment .
Procedure In general .
Notice of deficiency
to taxpayer.
Petition to Board of
Tax Appeals
for rede-
ter minat ion .
SEVENTIETH
CONGRESS .
SEss . I.
Cu. 852.'
1928 .
(3) That such distribution has been made to or for the benefit
of such persons in proportion to the par value of the shares of
stock of the corporation owned by each ; except that if the cor-
poration has more than one class of stock, the certificates shall
contain a statement that the articles of incorporation provide a
method for the apportionment of such special dividend among
such persons, and that the amount certified has been distributed
in accordance with the method so provided .
(o) Ownership of stock .-For the purposes of this section shares
of stock of a corporation shall be considered to be owned by the
person in whom the equitable right to the income from such shares
is in good faith vested .
(d) Definition of China,As used in this section the term
&quot;China&quot; shall have the same meaning as when used in the China
Trade Act, 1922 .
SEC . 262. CREDITS AGAINST THE TAX .
A corporation organized under the China Trade Act, 1922, shall
not be allowed the credits against the tax for taxes of foreign coun-
tries and possessions of the United States allowed by section 131 .
SEC . 263. AFFILIATION .
A corporation organized under the China Trade Act, 1922, shall
no t be d eemed to be affili ated w ith an y other corpo ration withi n the
meaning of section 141 or 142 .
SEC . 264 . INCOME OF SHAREHOLDERS .
For exclusion of dividends from gross income, see section 116.
Supplement
1,-Assessment
and
Collection
of
Deficiencies
SEC. 271 . DEFINITION OF DEFICIENCY .
As used in this title in respect of a tax imposed by this .title &quot; defi-
ciency &quot; means-
(a) The amount by which the tax imposed by this title exceeds the
amount shown as the tax by the taxpayer upon his return ; but the
amount so shown on the return shall first be increased by the amounts
previously assessed (or collected without assessment) as a deficiency,
and decreased by the amounts previously abated, credited, refunded,
or otherwise repaid in respect of such tax ; or
(b) If no amount is shown as the tax by the taxpayer upon his
return, or if no return is made by the taxpayer, then the amount by
which the tax exceeds the amounts previously assessed (or collected
without assessment) as a deficiency ; but such amounts previously
as sessed , or c ollect ed wit hout a ssessm ent, sh all fi rst be decre ased
by the amounts previously abated, credited, refunded, or otherwise
repaid in respect of such tax .
SEC . 272 . PROCEDURE IN GENERAL .
(a) Petition to Board of Tax Appeals .-If in the case of any tax-
pa yer, the Commi ssion er de term ines that ther e is a def icien cy i n
respect of the tax imposed by this title, the Commissioner is author-
ize d to s end no tice o f such defic iency to the taxpay er by regist ered
mail .
Within 60 days after such notice is mailed (not counting
Sunday as the sixtieth day), the taxpayer may file a petition with
the Board of Tax Appeals for a redetermination of the deficiency.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Distilled spirits may
be
removed to a ware-
house
for bottling in
bond
.
Recoveries from sales
of purchased narcotics,
et c.
Coast
Guard .
Office personnel .
Technical services .
Post, p . 1037.
Pr ovi so
.
Limitation, etc
.
Service expenditures.
Vol.43,p.1116.
Pay, etc ., officers and
enlisted men .
Death allowances .
Vol.41,p.825.
U.S. Code, p. 1143.
Fuel and
water.
Outfits, stores, etc .
Stations, houses of
refuge, etc .
Traveling expenses,
etc.
SEVENTIETH
CONGRESS . SESS. II. CI-I. 39 . 1928 .
internal revenue laws, shall be used to pay for storage in any private
warehouse of intoxicating liquor, or other property in connection
therewith seized pursuant to said Acts and necessary to be stored,
where there is available for that purpose space in a Government
war ehouse or ot her su itable Gover nment propert y in t he jud icial dis-
trict wherein such property was seized, or in an adjacent judicial dis-
trict, and when such seized property is stored in an adjacent district
the jurisdiction over such property in the district wherein it was
seized shall not be affected thereby : Provided further, That for pur-
pose of concentration, upon the initiation of the Commissioner of
Prohibition and under regulations prescribed by him, distilled spirits
may be removed from any internal-revenue bonded warehouse to
any other such warehouse, and may be bottled in bond in any such
warehouse before or after payment of the tax, and the commissioner
shall prescribe the form and penal sums of bond covering distilled
spirits in internal-revenue bonded warehouses, and in transit between
such warehouses : Provided further, That moneys expended from this
appropriation for the purchase of narcotics and subsequently re-
covered shall be deposited in the Treasury to the credit of the appro-
priation for enforcement of Narcotic and National Prohibition Acts
current at the time of the deposit .
COAST
GU ARD
Office of the commandant : For personal services in the District of
Columbia, $297,555 .
The services of skilled draftsmen and such other technical serv-
ices as the Secretary of the Treasury may deem necessary may be
employed only in the office of the Coast Guard in connection with
the construction and repair of Coast Guard vessels and boats, to be
paid from the appropriation &quot;Repairs to Coast Guard vessels &quot; :
Provided, That the expenditures on this account for the fiscal year
1930 shall not exceed $11,520 . A statement of the persons employed
hereunder, their duties, and the compensation paid to each shall be
made to Congress each year in the Budget .
For ev ery ex pendit ure re quisit e for and inc ident to the autho rized
work of the Coast Guard, including the expense of maintenance,
repair, and operation of vessels forfeited to the United States and
delivered to the Treasury Department under the terms of the Act
approved March 3, 1925 (43 Stat ., p . 1117), as follows, including
not to exceed $1,250 for purchase, exchange, maintenance, repair,
and operation of motor-propelled passenger-carrying vehicles, to be
used only for official purposes :
For pay and allowances prescribed by law for commissio ned
officers, cadets, warrant officers, petty officers, and other enlisted men,
active and retired, temporary cooks, and surfmen, substitute surf-
men, and t wo civ ilian instru ctors, and no t exce eding $6,000 for c ash
prizes for men for excellence in gunnery, target practice, and
engi neerin g comp etitio ns, fo r carr ying ou t the provis ions o f the Act
of June 4, 1920 (U . S . C ., p . 1143, sec . 943), rations or commutation
there of for ca dets, pet ty office rs, and o ther enl isted men , $19,000 ,000 ;
For fuel and water for vessels, stations, and houses of refuge,
$2 ,7300 00 ;
For outfits, ship chandlery, and engineers' stores for the same,
$2, 000,000 ;
For r ebuild ing an d repa iring statio ns and houses of re fuge, tempo-
rary leases, rent, and improvements of property for Coast Guard
purposes, including use of additional land where necessary, $425,000 ;
For mileage and expenses allowed by law for officers ; and travel-
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CONGRESS .
SEss.
II.
Cii. 82.
1929 .
continue to be a narcotic addict under the terms of this Act . All
transfers to or from a narcotic farm shall be made by the officer in
charge of such farm, and the actual and necessary expenses incident
to such transfers shall be paid from the appropriation for the main-
tenance of s uch farm .
SEC. 8.
That it shall be the duty of each prosecuting officer ; when
sentence is pronounced, to report to the authority vested with the
power to des ignate the pl ace of confin ement the name of each con-
victed person believed by him to be an addict, as herein defined, his
reasons for such belief, and all pertinent facts bearing on such addic-
tion, together with the nature of the offense .
SEC.
9 . That the inmates of said narcotic farms shall be employed
in such manner and under such conditions as the Secretary of the
Treasury may direct .
The Secretary of the Treasury may, in his
discretion, establish industries, plants, factories, or shops for the
manufacture of articles, commodities, and supplies f or the United
States Government ; require any Government department or estab-
lishment or other institution appropriated for directly or indirectly
by the Congress of the United States to purchase at current market
prices as determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, or his author-
ized rep rese ntat ive, suc h ar ticl es, comm odit ies, or supp lies as meet
their specifications ; and the Secretary of the Treasury shall provide
for the p ayment to the inmates or th eir dependent s such pecunia ry
earn ings as he m ay d eem prop er, and esta blis h a work ing- capi tal fund
for said industries out of any funds appropriated for said narcotic
farms ; and said working-capital fund shall be available for the
purchase, repair, or replacement of machinery or equipment, for the
purchase of raw materia ls and suppli es, and for t he employment of
necessary civilian officers and employees : Provided,
That at the
opening of each regular session of Congress the Secretary of the
Treasury shall make a d etailed repor t to Congress of the receip ts
and expenditures made from said working-capital fund .
SEC . 1 0 . Tha t any inmate of said narco tic farms or a ny narcotic
addict confined in any institution convicted of an offense against the
United States shall not be eligible for parole under sections 1, 2, 3, 4,
5, 6, 7, and 8 of the Act of Congress approved June 25, 1910, being an
Act to pr ovide for the parole of Uni ted States pr isoners, and f or
other purposes, or under the provisions of any Act or regulation
relating to parole, or receive any c ommutation allowance for go od
conduct in accordance with the provisions of the Act of Congress
approved June 21, 1902, and entitled &quot;An Act to regulate commuta-
tion for good conduct for United States prisoners,&quot; and the Acts
amendatory thereof and supplemental thereto, unless and until the
Surgeon General of the Bureau of the Public Health Service shall
have certified that said inmate is no longer a narcotic addict as defined
by this Act . When such certificate shall have been made, the board
of parole of the penal, correctional, disciplinary, or reformatory
inst itutio n from whic h such forme r addi ct wa s tran sferre d may
authorize his release on parole without transfer back to such insti-
tution.
SEC . 11 . That not later than one month prior to the expiration of
the sentence of any addict confined in a United States narcotic farm,
he shall be examined by the Surgeon General of the Bureau of the
Public Health Service, or his authorized representative . If he be-
lieves the person to be discharged is still an addict within the mean-
ing of this Act and that he may by further treatment in a United
States narcotic farm be cured of his addiction . the addict shall be
informed, under such rules and regulations as the Secretary of the
Treasury may promulgate, of the advisability of his submitting him-
self to further treatment . The addict may then apply in writing
1087
Expenses of transfers .
Prosecuting officer to
report at time of sen-
tence the name, etc
., of
convict, he believes to
be an addict .
Employme nt
of
in-
mates .
Industrie s to be es .
tablished.
Disposition of prod-
ucts, etc .
Payment
for
earn
.
ings, etc.
Use of wo rking capi .
tal fund .
Proviso.
Report
to
Congress
of receipts and expendi-
tures .
Inmates c onvicted of
Federal offense not eli-
gible for parole .
Vol. 36, pp. 819, 820.
No
go od
conduct
commutat ion given .
Vol. 32, p. 397.
Allowed on
certifi-
cate that he is no longer
an addict.
Release, etc .
Examinati on prior to
terminati on of sentence .
Report to inmate, if
still
an
addict, that
he
may
be
cured
by
further treatment .
Application
of
ad-
dict for further treat-
me nt
may
be granted .&lt;noinclude&gt;
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xxv
.BI InIoft Hartor, MicA.,
defWeDC7. appropriatfoD far pabBe
Benton S:=d;.~ai.-c~----------·---- 16M
appropriatioD for RAvbI&amp; _, TauIa.
Bo&amp;d to, &quot;Huidertoper Plaoe;
hom PIOline tax fund________ 1270
lHrift(l 8«J &amp;Ql FilAeriu
deficiency: appro~OD for payfna
judgaiente, dalllApB for unlaw~
luI _urea of v8l88la, etc., und8l'
Treaaury Department__ .0,931, 161S
a.muda,
appropriation for Weather ServIce u-
petl88I in_________________ M3, UN
BerM, 8tDiturloftd,
appropriation for International Bureau
for ProtectlOJl of IDdustrial ~
erty_______________________
7~
1105
for abare of expeDIIIl8, International
Bureau of Telegraphio Union
at_____~___________________ 72, 1103
&amp;rr;.
app~priation for fiDng .taDdat-da for
containers of______________ 683,1214
~Md.,
appropriation for animal experfment;
station ___________________ 647, 1197
B.ltendMf, lOUHJ,
.
bridge authorized AC1'OII8 Jrffsalaaippl
FUver,~t--------------------- 759
time extended for bridging JrfIMlMlppl
lUver~at--------------------- IS12
B~ Mi:~PPI River at Bet-
tendorf, lowa________________ 759
time extended for brtdldn« ~l
FUver, at Bettenaorl, Iowa, by__ 1512
Bickford, BditA L.,
BWIogical 81J.!W11 Burea&quot;, ~ 01 Pqe.
A~.....oaDtbuied.
&amp;ppIOP!f&amp;tion for pm. .......tlons,
bW.PnIII8l'VeIt,etc------ ___
ass, 1209
dam, Cold SpriDl Creek________ 168
puroDMII of game, etc________ ass, 1209
for mvMtiptlng, etc., food habitlll
of bird8 and other anbna1a __ aM,l209
c1estr01in1 wolv.. coyote., etc_ 159, 1209
IIUPPftIIIDI rabiee in wild ani-
~______________________
S69,1209
for ~ etc., fur bearing ani-
maJa_~ ____________________ Ii58, 1209
for lnv~tiDamJaration, etc., of
for~t:~~iiiftiACt: =~=
for preventing mtpmente of i11epUy
killed birds ~d game______ 659,1209
fol' improviq reindeer industry in
Alaaka ___________________ &amp;59,1210
for enforei.ng AJaeka game Ia,,___ 659,1210
inveatlgaSon .. to feasibility of
cooperative PI'OtP'UD for eradloa-
tionlrte:!&quot; o~ p*af.9ry animaIs_ &amp;59
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deficiency appropriation for pneral u-
~----------------------- 933
forBear'lUvermigratorybJrdrefuo. ~
for aurf~ bipway tlirousb Sulfy'.
HD1 NatloJlal Park___________ 1634
for eDforclng Mip'atory Bird CoD-
earvaUonAct________________ 1634
for ~ UJ2tL________________ 1677
Upper MiMiuippi River Wild Life and
lI'Iah refup; mufmum price for
lands, etc., moreaseeL_________ 802
Bird &quot;,...,...,
. deficiency appropriation for paying,
widow of conaul dying in 1ierVice..
Bieber Buildift(l D. C.
app.!OpriaUon for'protection, etc_ __ IIS8, 1209
Bird ,&quot;,Vfe, UtaA, Bear BiDer MigraIorJ,
29 .appropriatlon for eetabllshing._ __ _ _ __ _
1210
Blrd8, M~... file.,
.
appropriation lor enforcing law protect..
payment authoriz;d for UIe of, during
1926, 1927, and 1928, by Agrf-
cultural Department_________ _
BiD BZ&quot;, Biller, Mo.,
•
~---------------------- 669,1209
56 BirmingA4m, Ala.,
'
deficleDcy appropriation for publlo
bridge authorized &amp;eroIII Milllourl
FUver, at mouth of____________384
Big Ham Count1/, MonL,
payment by, of part of cost of road
through crow Indfao Reserva-
tion_________________________
430
Big Rock 810M and MGIeriGl COftI1JGn1/,
exchaJ&gt;p of lands of Veterua' Bureau
liospital reservation, at North
Little Rock, ArL, with, au-
thorized_____________________ 369
BiDgtlf'8, Ark.,
bridge authorized across Current lUver,
at__________________________ 516
m&quot;,hamton, N. Y.,
appropriation for acguirlng land for
extending public building______ 178
lUograpAieal CongrulionlJl DirtcWr7J,
deficiency appropriatlon- for prepara-
tion and preservation 01.______
88S
BiologW Product8,
.
appropriation for regulating sale, etc.
of_______________________ 1~~10t0
deficlen.!le~:.P~~-~O:-~ 1619
Biological 8~6JI Bureau, D~ ·oJ
Agriculture,
appropriation for Chief of Bureau, and
office pe1'IlOnnel ____________ 658, 1200
sale &amp;U~~= ~-oi;rpOStdce;•.: 34
.
pr o ~; y at___________________ 1807
Bwmarck, N: DGlc.,
apDl'ODl'faUon for IndJazt 800001 at_ 218, 1&amp;'19
d8licumcy appropriation for Inc:Uao
achool, additfonalland_ _______ 901
Purcru.:h~~r!t~~-'~~-~~ 366
_
price limit; appropriation authorized. 367
Black CanvOft (8. 4110 Boulder Canyon
Project Act),
provisions for dau), etc., &amp;eroIIII Colo-
rado River at, or Boulder CanyOJl_ 1057
Black Deotk,
appropriation for prevention of epl-
deudc ____________________
11 ~ 1040
Black Bu,tIf',
time extended for bridsfng, at JOJlet-
~La---------------______ 57
Black Bwtlf', Ark.,
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Blaclc Rock, Ark.,
bridge author&amp;ed &amp;eroIII SprIng lUver,
at__ ~________________________
1093
BlacTc Waln1d8,
deficiency approprlatiOJl for investiga-
tions, etc., in Middle West_____ 1633&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Minmapolis, Minn.- Continued.
Pap.
time extended for bridging Mississippi
River, at Saint Paul and____ 293,1185
MinneaoCG,
bridge authorized acl'088 Saint Croix
River at Stillwater, by Wiscon-
sin and______________________ 1172
may acquire, after completion, bridge
acl'088 Mississippi River, at
~ W~__________________ 289
at Wabaaha.____________________
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Saint Croix River, Dear Grantsburg,
Wia ________________________ _
may bridge Mississippi River, at Aitkin_
at Hastings___________________ _
at Monticello__________________ _
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1075
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Red River of the North, Fargo,
N. Dak. to Moorhead, Minn___
472
between Grand Forks, N. Dak.,
and East Grand Forks, Minn___
113
time extended for bridging Mississippi
River, by,etc:z.atClearwater_ 118,1527
Red River of the .NortlJ.t by, etc____ 1534
Minnuola Atlenue SE., D. (i.,
appropriation for paving, etc., Penn-
I!ylvania Avenue to Eighteenth
street; from gasoline tax fund__ 654
Minor CDina,
appropriation for recoinage oL ____ 166,1032
deficiency appropriation for recoinage
of___________________________ 29
Minority ConfertmC$, H0'U8e of Reprll8enta-
titles,
appropriation for clerks, etc.; appoint-
ment _____________________ 523, 1393
Minority Employ_, H0'U8e oj Reprll8enta-
tives,
appropriation for ________________ 623, 1393
Minor8, D. C. (866 Employment of Minors,
D.C.).
Mint Bureau, Treasury Department,
appropriation for Director, and office
personneL ________________ 175,1040
for transporting bullion and coin_ 175, 1041
for contingent expenses_________ 175,1041
for examinations, etc ___________ 175,1041
for personnel and expenses of des-
ignated mints and assay offices__ 175,
1041
Minta and Aa8ay OjJicu,
appropriation for Director of the Mint
Bureau, personnel and expenses_ 175,
1040
for examinations, etc___________ 175, 1040
for expenses of. mints at Denver,
Philadelphia, and San Francisco,
and assay office at New York___ 175
for employeest '!ltc., Iltints at Carson
City and 1~ew Orleans and assay
offices at Boise Helena, Salt
Lake City, and Seattle_________
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for compensation, etc., mints atPhila-
delphia, San Francisco, Denv6r,
New Orleans, ani Carson City _ 1041
assay offices at ~ew York, Boise,
Heler.a, Salt Lake City, and
Seattle_ _____ ______ ____ ______ 1041
deficiency Itppropriation for coinage
of medal of Colonel Charles A.
Lindbergh___________________ 915
for gold medal to IJncoln El1sworth__ 1614
for commemorative medal to Thomas
A. Edison____________________ 1614
for salaries, 1929, under___________ 1688
Minta and AllIlay O,6ices. -Continued.
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issue authorized of 5O-cent silver coin,
to commemorate ses~u1centen­
Dial of discovery of Hawaiian
Islands____ _______ _____ _______
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Misbranded Fooda, Druga, etc.,
appropriation for expenses, preventing
sale of____________________ 566,1217
for ext&gt;E:nses preventin~ sale of, in
D18trict of COlumbla_______ 669, 1285
MisceUan60'U8 ltem8,
appropriation for, House of Representa-
tiv(q _____________________ 524,1394
for 8enate_____________________ 520, 1390
deficiency appropriation for, 8enate_ __ 884
Misllion Agency, Calif.,
appropriation for support, etc., of In-
dians at __________________ 222,1583
Mislions (aee Foreign Service).
Miaaiaaippi,
appropriation for aid, etc., to, for lOBS
or damages to roads and bridges,
by the floods of 1927__________ 1381
may acquire, after completion, bridge
acr088 MississippI River, at Ar-
kansas City, Ark______________ 381
at Helena, Ark___________________ 762
sale authorized of designated accreted
publio lands in, not lawfuly ap-
propriated under land laws_____ 422
preference right to purchase by
owners, etc___________________ 423
Miaaiaaippi AI/enue SE., D. C:,J..
appropriation for grading, ~irst Street
to Halley Terrace_____________ 655
Misaiaaippi Northern Judicial District,
appointment of judge for, authorized_ _ 1422
Mississippi River (8ee al80 Mississippi
River and Tributaries, Flood
Control),
.
appropriation for reimbursing local in-
terests for emergency levee con-
struotion and repairs on lower,
floo? of 1927; immediately
available__________ ______ _____ 359
for prosecuting work of flood con-
troL _____________________ 359,1381
for emergency fund for flood rescue
work on tributaries of. __ __ __ _ _
1381
for prosecuting work of flood control
under Act of 1928____________ 930
deficiency appropriation for emergency
flood controL _________ ______ _ 38
allotment of funds used for, .ap-
proved______________________ 38
bridge authorized acroBS, at Aitkin,
Minn_______________________
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at Alma, Wis_____________________
289
at Arkansas City, Ark_____________ 381
at Baton Rouge, La_______________ 130
at Bettendorf, lowa_______________ 759
at Carondelet, Mo________________ 505
at Cassville, Wis__________________
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at Chester, IIL _________________ 283,291
at Cohasset and Deer River, Minn___
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at Hastings, Minn________________ 1075
at Helena, Ark_ ___________ ______ _ 762
at HickrnaniKy------------------ 321
at LansinB, owa_ _________________ 280
at Little Falls, Minn______________
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at Monticello, Minn_______________
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at Prairie du Chien, Wis___________
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at Tiptonville, Tenn_______________
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at Wabasha, Minn_________________
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Prohibition Bureau, Treaaury Depart. Pa.re.
ment-Continued.
Commissioner authorized to direct
special disbursing agents to
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Narcotic Acts_ _______________
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statutory provisions against ad-
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storekeeper-gaugers, title of, given to all
storekeepers, gaugers, and store-
keepers-gaugers_______________ 1496
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missioner of Prohibition________ 1496
Protection oj Childhood, American Inter-
national Imtitu.t8lor,
appropriation for annual contribution
to___________________________ 1106
deficiency' appropriation for annual con-
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Prollidence Hospital, D. C.,
appropriation for minor contagious dis-
~ward ________________ 66~ 1284
for care of indigent patients________ 674
deficiency appropriation for _______ 892, 1631
Proving Grounds, Army Ordnance,
aporopriation for current expenses, etc_ 343
deficiency appropriation for ________ 49, 1622
PrOllisions, Army (see Subsistence, Army).
Provisions, NallY,
appropriation for ________________ 632, 1460
deficiency appropriation for ____ 47,934, 1618,
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Public Buildings,
appropriation for office of Supervising
Architect, miscellaneous build-
ings_________________________ 176
for Boston, Mass't.!Darine hospitaL_ 176
for Cape Fear, .N . C ., quarantine
station_ ____ ____ _____ __ __ ____
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for New York, N. Y ., appraisers'
stores! etc___________________ 176
for Washmgton, D. C ., Treasury
Department elevators_________ 176
for remodeling, etc., buildings___ 176,1045
for rent of temporary quarters, etc_ _ 176
for lock box e~uipment, etc________ _
for Durango, Colo _______________ _
for Fremont, Ohio _______________ _
for Juneau, Alaska, Federal and Ter-
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for Long Island City, N. Y _______ _
for Newark, N. J ________________ _
for San Pedro, Cahf______________ _
for sites, construction, etc., under
annual limitation, sec t i 0 D 5,
Public Buildings Act, 1926___ _
for Albany, N. Y ., site and commenc-
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for Alexandria, Va., site__________ _
for Amsterda~t N. Y ., site________ _
for Asheville, .N. C. ______________ _
for Baltimore Md., post office, etc__
for Bartlesville, Okla_____________ _
for Bellows Falls, Vt_____________ _
for Binghamton, N. Y ____________ _
for Camden, N. J ________________ _
for Canton, Ga __________________ _
for Conway, Ark _________________ _
for Corinth, Miss ________________ _
for Corsicana, Tex _______________ _
for Dallas, Tex __________________ _
for Denv.:;,, Colo ________________ _
for Duluth, Minn ________________ _
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appropriation for Dunkirk, N. Y __ _ _ _
for East Chicago, Ind ____________ _
for Elizabet~~ N. J _______________ _
for Elmira, .N. Y _________________ _
for Erie, Pa _____________________ _
for Fargo, N. Dak_______________ _
for Flint, Mich ___________________ _
for Fort Wayne, Ind _____________ _
for Fort Worth, Tex ______________ _
for Freeport, 11.. _________________ _
for l1reenviIle
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for Hammonn, Ind_______________ _
for Hanover, N. H _______________ _
for Hartsville, S. C ____ ____ ____ ___ _
for Kansas City, Mo _____________ _
for La. Crotlse, Wis _______________ _
for Lancaster, Pa ________________ _
for Lawrence, Kans ______________ _
for Lima, OhlO __________________ _
for Louisvill.eJ Ky________________ _
for Lowell, Mass_________________ _
for Miami, Fla__________________ _
for Mitchell, S. Dak_____________ _
for Newark, DeL ________________ _
fer New Britain, Conn____________ _
for Newburgh, N. Y ________ ______ _
for New Orleans, La______________ _
for Newton, lowa________________ _
for Niagara Falls, N. Y ______ _____ _
for Oakland, Calif________________ _
for Oshkosh, Wis ________________ _
for Paris, Tenn __________________ _
for Pawtucket! R. L _____________ _
for Philadelphi.aJ Pa., marine hospitaL
for Pittsfield, Mass ______________ _
for Plattsburg, N. Y ________ _____ _
for Pontiac, Mich________________ _
for Portland, Oreg _______________ _
for Price, Utah __________________ _
for Pullman, Wash________________ _
for Roanoke, Va _________________ _
for Rushville, Ind________________ _
for San Francisco, Calif., marine hos-
for la~:!-F;:fCM;i~:===========
for ScottsbluffJ,. Nebr _____________ _
for Scranton: ,1'a _________________ _
for Sedalia, MO __________________ _
for Springfield, 111 ________________ _
for Watertown, N. Y _____________ _
for Waukegan, Ill_________________ _
for White Plains, N. Y ____________ _
for W~chita, Kans _________________ _
for Wilkes-Barre, Pa______________ _
for Wooster, Ohio________________ _
for Worcester, Mass______________ _
for Zanesville, Ohio _______________ _
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for Washington, D. C ., Department
of Commerce.,!,. construction_ _ __ 182
for Washington, 1). C ., Government
Printing Office, construction____ 182
for Washington, D. C ., Internal Rev-
enue, construction____________ 182
for square No. 256, Washington,
D. C ., sites for public buildings_ 182
for repairs and preservation _____ 183,1045
for mechanical equipment_______ 183, 1045
pneumatic tube service, New York
City______________________ 183,1046
for vaults, safes, etc_____________ 183, 1046
for general eXl&gt;l:nses; additional pay
to SuperVising Architect. __ _ 184,1046
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for McMinnvillel.Jenn ___________ _
for Mancheste!:t N.H ________ .. ___ _
for Memphis, Tenn ______________ _
for Milwaukee, Wis ______________ _
for Morgantow!ll W. Va __________ _
for NewBern, N. C _______________ _
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for New Philadelphia, Ohio _______ _
for New York, N. Y ., courthouse, etc_
for New York, N. Y ., post office, etc_
for Noyes, Mmn__________________ _
for Ogden, Utah _________________ _
for Okmulgee, Okla ______________ _
for Ottawa, Ill. ________ ________ _ _
for Passaic, N. J __________________ _
for Paterson, N. J ____ ____ ____ ___ _ _
for Pittsburgh,t?a _______________ _
for Portland, Me_________________ _
for Portsmouth, Va ______________ _
for Racine, Wis__________________ _
for Reno, Nev___________________ _
for Richmond, Va________________ _
for Rouse· Pointl.N. Y ___________ _
for Saint Johns, N. Dak __________ _
for Salisbury, N. C ____ ___ ____ ___ _ _
for Salt Lake City, Utah__________ _
for San Bernardino, Calif _________ _
for San Ysidro, Calif _____________ _
for Savannah, Ga________________ _
for Seattle, Wash_ .. ______________ _
for Sheffield, Ala_________________ _
for Sioux Falls! S. Dak ___________ _
for South Bena, Ind ______________ _
for South Saint Paul..z .Minn _______ _
for Spartanburg:!!. \j____________ _
for Springfiel~ Mass_____________ _
for Sterling, \jolo ________________ _
for Tampa, Fla__________________ _
for Taylor, Tex __________________ _
for Toledo, Ohio _________________ _
for Topeka, Kans ________________ _
for Trenton, N. J ________________ _
for Trout River, N. Y ____________ _
for Tucson, Ariz _________________ _
for Tulsa, Okla__________________ _
for Tyrone, Pa__________________ _
for Woonsocket, R. L ____________ _
for Youngstown, Ohio ____________ _
for acquisition of triangle properties
in District of Columbia______ --
for projects under section I) of
Public Buildings Act, 1926 ____ _
for Altoona, Pa_________________ _
for Appleton, Wis ________________ _
for Atlanta, Ga__________________ _
for Aurora, 111. __________________ _
for Baltimore, Md., marine hospital.
for Beaumont, Tex___ . __ ___ __ __ __ _ _
for Benton Harbor, Mich _________ _
for Boston, Mass., immigrantstation_
for Brockton, Mass ______________ _
for BrunswiCk, Me_______________ _
for Buena Vista, Va______________ _
for Calexico, Cali!. ______________ _
for Carbondale, IlL ______________ _
for Cedar Rapid!'J lowa___________ _
for Champlain, N. Y _____________ _
for Chate&amp;ugaYl.N. Y __ __ __ __ __ _ _ _
for Claremont, N. H _____________ _
for Cleveland, Ohio ______________ _
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deficiency appropriation for Clovis,
N.Mex _____________________ _
for Corvallis, Oreg _______________ _
for Crete, Nebr__________________ _
for Derby Line, Vt_______________ _
for Detroit, Mich ________________ _
for Dodge City, Kans ____________ _
for East Richford, Vt ____________ _
for Eust~.Me--------------------
for Fort worth, Tex _____________ _
for Framingham, Mass ___________ _
for Georgetownd)eL ____________ _
for Gloucester, Mass _____________ _
for GreenwOO&lt;1, Miss _____________ _
for Hamilton, Ohio ______________ _
for Harrodsburg, Ky _____________ _
for Hoboken, N. J ______________ _ _
for HoquiamdVash ______________ _
for Jackson, Miss ________________ _
for Kokomo, Ind _________________ _
for Kosciusko, Miss ______________ _
for Lafayette, Ind ________________ _
for Lakeland, Fla ________________ _
for Las Vegas, Nev_______________ _
for Lenoir, N. C _________________ _
for Lexington, Ky________________ _
for Limestone, Me _______________ _
for Little ROCk, Ark______________ _
for Lowell, Mass _________________ _
for Mansfield
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La ________________ _
for Marshfiela, Wis ______________ _
for Mason City, Iowa ____________ _
for Mexia, Tex __________________ _
for Milford, COnn ________________ _
for MinneaPQIis, Minn____________ _
for Nampa, Idaho________________ _
for New Orlea~t La______________ _
for New York, N. Y ., remodeling old
appraisers' stores building_____ _
for New York, assay office ________ _
for New York, N. Y., courthouse site_
for Stapleton, N. Y ., marine hospitaL
for New York, N. Y ., parcel post
building. __________________ _ _
for Ogden, utah _________________ _
for Oklahoma City, Okla__________ _
for Paris, Tenn __________________ _
for Parkersburg, W. Va___________ _
for Peekskill, N. Y _______________ _
for Pembina, N. Dak_____________ _
for Pomona,t_Calif________________ _
for Portal, N. Dak_______________ _
for Portland, Me_________________ _
for Prescott, Ariz ________________ _
for Princeton, N. J _______________ _
for Racine, Wis__ • _______________ _
for Red Bank, N. J _____________ _ _
for Richfor&amp; Vt. _______________ _
for Rock H' ~.S. C _______________ _
for Rutland, vt__________________ _
for Sabine Pass, Tex., quarantine
station _____________________ _
for Sacramento, Calif_____________ _
for Saint Louis, Mo., post office, etc__
for Saint Paull..Minn _____________ _
for Salisbury, N. C ___ ___ ___ ___ __ _ _
for San Francisco, Calif___________ _
for San Luis, Ariz ________________ _
for Santa Ana, Calif_____________ _
for Scottsbluff, Nebr______________ _
for Stamford, Conn_______________ _
for Sterling~9010---- _____________ _
for Sumas, wash_________________ _
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 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Qui se laisse outrag er, merite qu'on l'outrage
Et Paudace impunie enfle trap un courage.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = He who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be so; and insolence, if unpunished, increases! 
 | author = Corneille
 | work = Heraclius.
 | place = I. 2. 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = Kein Heiligthum heisst uns den Schimpf ertragen. 
 | trans = &lt;poem&gt;No sacred fane requires us to submit to insult. 
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 | author = Goethe
 | work = Torquato Tasso.
 | place = III. 3. 191. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
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 | text =&lt;poem&gt; Quid facies tibi, 
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&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = What wilt thou do to thyself, who hast added insult to injury? 
 | author = Phædrus
 | work = Fables.
 | place =  V. 3. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
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 | num = 4
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Contumeliam si dices, audies. 
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 | author = Plautus
 | work = Pseudolus.
 | place =  Act IV. 7. 77. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Saepe satius fuit dissimulare quam ulcisci. 
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 | author = Seneca
 | work = De Ira.
 | place =   II. 32. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The hand that follows intellect can achieve. 
— 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Michael Angelo
 | work = The Artist.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | seealso = Longfellow's trans. 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = In short, intelligence, considered in what seems to be its original feature, is the faculty of manufacturing artificial objects, especially tools to make tools, and of indefinitely urging the manufacture. 
Henri Bergson—Creative Evolution,. Ch. II. 
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = Instinct perfected is a faculty of using and even constructing organized instruments; intelligence perfected is the faculty of making and using unorganized instruments. 
 | author = Henri Bergson
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place =  Ch. II. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 9
 | text = For the eye of the intellect &quot;sees in all objects what it brought with it the means of seeing.&quot; 
Carlyle—Varnhagen Von Erne's Memoirs. 
London and Westminster Review. 1838.
 | seealso = (See also {{sc|Carlyle}} under {{sc|Eyes}})
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The growth of the intellect is spontaneous 
in every expansion. The mind that grows 
could not predict the times, the means, the 
mode of that spontaneity. God enters by a 
private door into every individual. 
[[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]—Essays. Intellect. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;'Tis good-will makes intelligence. 
[[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]—The Titmouse. L. 65. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = Works of the intellect are great only by comparison with each other. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Literary Ethics.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = Thou living ray of intellectual fire. 
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]]. 
 | place= Canto I. L. 104. 
 | note =
 | topic =
 | page = 398 
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = Glorious indeed is the world of God around us, but more glorious the world of God within us. There lies the Land of Song; there lies  the poet's native land. 
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work = Hyperion. 
 | place = Bk. I. Ch. VIII. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = A man is not a wall, whose stones are crushed upon the road; or a pipe, whose fragments are thrown away at a street corner. The fragments of an intellect are always good. 
| author = George Sand
| work = Handsome Lawrence. 
| place= Ch.II. 
| note =
| topic =
| page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = The march of intellect. 
 | author = [[Author:Robert Southey|Southey]]
 | work = Sir Thos. More; or, Colloquies on the Progress and Prospects of Society. 
 | place= Vol. II. P. 361. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 17
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The intellectual power, through words and 
things, 
Went sounding on, a dim and perilous way! 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Wordsworth
 | work = Excursion.
 | place =  Bk. III. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 18
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Three sleepless nights I passed in sounding on, 
Through words and things, a dim and perilous 
way. 
Wordsworth—Borderers. Written eighteen years before Excursion. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}
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{{c|(See also {{sc|Drinking}}, {{sc|Wine}})}}
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Beware the deadly fumes of that insane elation 
Which rises from the cup of mad impiety, 
And go, get drunk with that divine intoxication 
Which is more sober far than all sobriety. 
Wm. R. Alger—Oriental Poetry. The Sober 
Drunkenness. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num =20
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; 
The best of life is but intoxication: 
Glory, the grape, love, gold, in these are sunk 
The hopes of all men and of every nation; 
Without their sap, how branchless were the trunk 
Of life's strange tree, so fruitful on occasion: 
But to return,—Get very drunk; and when 
You wake with headache, you shall see what 
then.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Don Juan. Canto II. St. 179. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 21
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Libidinosa etenim et intemperans adolescentia effoetum corpus tradit senectuti. 
A sensual and intemperate youth hands 
over a worn-out body to old age. 
Cicero—De Senectute. EX. &lt;/poem&gt;

 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 22
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Ha! see where the wild-blazing Grog-Shop 
appears, 
As the red waves of wretchedness swell, 
How it burns on the edge of tempestuous years 
The horrible Light-House of Hell!
M'Donald Clarke—The Rum Hole.  &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 23
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;All learned, and all drunk! &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = The Task. Bk.rV. L. 478. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 24
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Gloriously drunk, obey the important call.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = The Task. Bk. IV. L. 510. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;INSULT&quot; /&gt;{{Hoyt topic|Insult}}

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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Qui se laisse outrag er, merite qu'on l'outrage
Et Paudace impunie enfle trap un courage.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = He who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be so; and insolence, if unpunished, increases! 
 | author = Corneille
 | work = Heraclius.
 | place = I. 2. 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}} 

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = Kein Heiligthum heisst uns den Schimpf ertragen. 
 | trans = &lt;poem&gt;No sacred fane requires us to submit to insult. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Goethe
 | work = Torquato Tasso.
 | place = III. 3. 191. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text =&lt;poem&gt; Quid facies tibi, 
Injuria: qui addideris contumeliam? 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = What wilt thou do to thyself, who hast added insult to injury? 
 | author = Phædrus
 | work = Fables.
 | place =  V. 3. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Contumeliam si dices, audies. 
If you speak insults you will hear them also. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Plautus
 | work = Pseudolus.
 | place =  Act IV. 7. 77. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Saepe satius fuit dissimulare quam ulcisci. 
It is often better not to see an insult than 
to avenge it. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Seneca
 | work = De Ira.
 | place =   II. 32. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The hand that follows intellect can achieve. 
— 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Michael Angelo
 | work = The Artist.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | seealso = Longfellow's trans. 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = In short, intelligence, considered in what seems to be its original feature, is the faculty of manufacturing artificial objects, especially tools to make tools, and of indefinitely urging the manufacture. 
Henri Bergson—Creative Evolution,. Ch. II. 
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = Instinct perfected is a faculty of using and even constructing organized instruments; intelligence perfected is the faculty of making and using unorganized instruments. 
 | author = Henri Bergson
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place =  Ch. II. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 9
 | text = For the eye of the intellect &quot;sees in all objects what it brought with it the means of seeing.&quot; 
Carlyle—Varnhagen Von Erne's Memoirs. 
London and Westminster Review. 1838.
 | seealso = (See also {{sc|Carlyle}} under {{sc|Eyes}})
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The growth of the intellect is spontaneous 
in every expansion. The mind that grows 
could not predict the times, the means, the 
mode of that spontaneity. God enters by a 
private door into every individual. 
[[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]—Essays. Intellect. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;'Tis good-will makes intelligence. 
[[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]—The Titmouse. L. 65. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = Works of the intellect are great only by comparison with each other. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Literary Ethics.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = Thou living ray of intellectual fire. 
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]]. 
 | place= Canto I. L. 104. 
 | note =
 | topic =
 | page = 398 
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = Glorious indeed is the world of God around us, but more glorious the world of God within us. There lies the Land of Song; there lies  the poet's native land. 
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work = Hyperion. 
 | place = Bk. I. Ch. VIII. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = A man is not a wall, whose stones are crushed upon the road; or a pipe, whose fragments are thrown away at a street corner. The fragments of an intellect are always good. 
| author = George Sand
| work = Handsome Lawrence. 
| place= Ch.II. 
| note =
| topic =
| page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = The march of intellect. 
 | author = [[Author:Robert Southey|Southey]]
 | work = Sir Thos. More; or, Colloquies on the Progress and Prospects of Society. 
 | place= Vol. II. P. 361. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 17
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The intellectual power, through words and 
things, 
Went sounding on, a dim and perilous way! 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Wordsworth
 | work = Excursion.
 | place =  Bk. III. 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 18
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Three sleepless nights I passed in sounding on, 
Through words and things, a dim and perilous 
way. 
Wordsworth—Borderers. Written eighteen years before Excursion. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}
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{{c|(See also {{sc|Drinking}}, {{sc|Wine}})}}
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Beware the deadly fumes of that insane elation 
Which rises from the cup of mad impiety, 
And go, get drunk with that divine intoxication 
Which is more sober far than all sobriety. 
Wm. R. Alger—Oriental Poetry. The Sober 
Drunkenness. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num =20
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; 
The best of life is but intoxication: 
Glory, the grape, love, gold, in these are sunk 
The hopes of all men and of every nation; 
Without their sap, how branchless were the trunk 
Of life's strange tree, so fruitful on occasion: 
But to return,—Get very drunk; and when 
You wake with headache, you shall see what 
then.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Don Juan. Canto II. St. 179. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 21
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Libidinosa etenim et intemperans adolescentia effoetum corpus tradit senectuti. 
A sensual and intemperate youth hands 
over a worn-out body to old age. 
Cicero—De Senectute. EX. &lt;/poem&gt;

 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 22
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Ha! see where the wild-blazing Grog-Shop 
appears, 
As the red waves of wretchedness swell, 
How it burns on the edge of tempestuous years 
The horrible Light-House of Hell!
M'Donald Clarke—The Rum Hole.  &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 23
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;All learned, and all drunk! &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = The Task. Bk.rV. L. 478. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 24
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Gloriously drunk, obey the important call.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = The Task. Bk. IV. L. 510. 
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = 
 | page = 398
}}
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Qui se laisse outrag er, merite qu'on l'outrage
Et Paudace impunie enfle trap un courage.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = He who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be so; and insolence, if unpunished, increases! 
 | author = [[Author:Pierre Corneille|Corneille]]
 | work = Heraclius.
 | place = I. 2. 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = Kein Heiligthum heisst uns den Schimpf ertragen. 
 | trans = No sacred fane requires us to submit to insult. 
 | author = [[Author:Johann Wolfgang von Goethe|Goethe]]
 | work = Torquato Tasso.
 | place = III. 3. 191. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text =&lt;poem&gt;{{phantom|Injuria: qui addid}}Quid facies tibi, 
Injuria: qui addideris contumeliam? 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = What wilt thou do to thyself, who hast added insult to injury? 
 | author = Phædrus
 | work = Fables.
 | place =  V. 3. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = Contumeliam si dices, audies. 
 | trans = If you speak insults you will hear them also. 
 | author = Plautus
 | work = Pseudolus.
 | place =  Act IV. 7. 77. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = Sæpe satius fuit dissimulare quam ulcisci. 
 | trans = It is often better not to see an insult than to avenge it.
 | author = [[Author:Seneca|Seneca]]
 | work = De Ira.
 | place =   II. 32. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt topic|INTELLECT }}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6
 | text = The hand that follows intellect can achieve. 
 | author = Michael Angelo
 | work = The Artist.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | seealso = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow's]] trans. 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = In short, intelligence, considered in what seems to be its original feature, is the faculty of manufacturing artificial objects, especially tools to make tools, and of indefinitely urging the manufacture. 
 | author = [[Author:Henri Bergson|Henri Bergson]]
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place = Ch. II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = Instinct perfected is a faculty of using and even constructing organized instruments; intelligence perfected is the faculty of making and using unorganized instruments. 
 | author = Henri Bergson
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place =  Ch. II. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 9
 | text    = For the eye of the intellect &quot;sees in all objects what it brought with it the means of seeing.&quot; 
 | trans   = 
 | author  = [[Author:Thomas Carlyle|Carlyle]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = Varnhagen Von Erne's Memoirs.
 | place   = London and Westminster Review. 1838.
 | note    =
 | seealso =(See also {{sc|Carlyle}} under {{sc|Eyes}})
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = The growth of the intellect is spontaneous in every expansion. The mind that grows could not predict the times, the means, the mode of that spontaneity. God enters by a private door into every individual. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Essays. Intellect.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = 'Tis good-will makes intelligence. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = The Titmouse.
 | place = L. 65.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = Works of the intellect are great only by comparison with each other. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Literary Ethics.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = Thou living ray of intellectual fire. 
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]]. 
 | place= Canto I. L. 104. 
 | note =
 | topic =Intellect
 | page = 398 
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = Glorious indeed is the world of God around us, but more glorious the world of God within us. There lies the Land of Song; there lies the poet's native land. 
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work = Hyperion. 
 | place = Bk. I. Ch. VIII. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = A man is not a wall, whose stones are crushed upon the road; or a pipe, whose fragments are thrown away at a street corner. The fragments of an intellect are always good. 
| author = [[Author:George Sand|George Sand]]
| work = Handsome Lawrence. 
| place= Ch.II. 
| note =
| topic = Intellect
| page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = The march of intellect. 
 | author = [[Author:Robert Southey|Southey]]
 | work = Sir Thos. More; or, Colloquies on the Progress and Prospects of Society. 
 | place= Vol. II. P. 361. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 17
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The intellectual power, through words and things, 
Went sounding on, a dim and perilous way! &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Wordsworth|Wordsworth]]
 | work = [[The Excursion|Excursion.]]
 | place =  Bk. III. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 18
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Three sleepless nights I passed in sounding on, 
Through words and things, a dim and perilous way.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Wordsworth|Wordsworth]]
 | work = Borderers.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | see also = Written eighteen years before {{sc|Excursion}}.
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}

&lt;section end=&quot;INSULT&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Intemperence&quot; /&gt;{{Hoyt topic|Intemperence}}
{{c|(See also {{sc|Drinking}}, {{sc|Wine}})}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Beware the deadly fumes of that insane elation 
{{em}}Which rises from the cup of mad impiety, 
And go, get drunk with that divine intoxication 
{{em}}Which is more sober far than all sobriety.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Rounseville Alger|Wm. R. Alger]]
 | work = Oriental Poetry. The Sober Drunkenness.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num =20
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; 
{{em}}The best of life is but intoxication: 
Glory, the grape, love, gold, in these are sunk 
{{em}}The hopes of all men and of every nation; 
Without their sap, how branchless were the trunk 
{{em}}Of life's strange tree, so fruitful on occasion: 
But to return,—Get very drunk; and when 
You wake with headache, you shall see what then.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Don Juan. 
 | place = Canto II. St. 179. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 21
 | text = Libidinosa etenim et intemperans adolescentia effœtum corpus tradit senectuti. 
 | trans = A sensual and intemperate youth hands over a worn-out body to old age. 
 | author = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | work = De Senectute.
 | place = IX.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 22
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Ha! see where the wild-blazing Grog-Shop appears, 
{{em}}As the red waves of wretchedness swell, 
How it burns on the edge of tempestuous years 
{{em}}The horrible Light-House of Hell!&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = M'Donald Clarke
 | work = The Rum Hole.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 23
 | text = All learned, and all drunk!
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = [[The Poetical Works of William Cowper (Benham)/The Task|The Task.]]  
 | place = Bk. IV. L. 478.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}

{{Hoyt quote
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 | text = Gloriously drunk, obey the important call.
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = [[The Poetical Works of William Cowper (Benham)/The Task|The Task.]] 
 | place = Bk. IV. L. 510. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
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{{c|(See {{sc|Education, Teaching}})}}
&lt;section end=&quot;INSTRUCTION&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;INSULT&quot; /&gt;{{Hoyt topic|Insult}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Qui se laisse outrag er, merite qu'on l'outrage
Et Paudace impunie enfle trap un courage.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = He who allows himself to be insulted deserves to be so; and insolence, if unpunished, increases! 
 | author = [[Author:Pierre Corneille|Corneille]]
 | work = Heraclius.
 | place = I. 2. 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}} 
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = Kein Heiligthum heisst uns den Schimpf ertragen. 
 | trans = No sacred fane requires us to submit to insult. 
 | author = [[Author:Johann Wolfgang von Goethe|Goethe]]
 | work = Torquato Tasso.
 | place = III. 3. 191. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text =&lt;poem&gt;{{phantom|Injuria: qui addid}}Quid facies tibi, 
Injuria: qui addideris contumeliam? 
&lt;/poem&gt;
 | trans = What wilt thou do to thyself, who hast added insult to injury? 
 | author = Phædrus
 | work = Fables.
 | place =  V. 3. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = Contumeliam si dices, audies. 
 | trans = If you speak insults you will hear them also. 
 | author = [[Author:Plautus|Plautus]]
 | work = Pseudolus.
 | place =  Act IV. 7. 77. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = Sæpe satius fuit dissimulare quam ulcisci. 
 | trans = It is often better not to see an insult than to avenge it.
 | author = [[Author:Seneca|Seneca]]
 | work = De Ira.
 | place =   II. 32. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Insult
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt topic|INTELLECT }}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6
 | text = The hand that follows intellect can achieve. 
 | author = [[Author:Michaelangelo|Michael Angelo]]
 | work = The Artist.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | seealso = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow's]] trans. 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = In short, intelligence, considered in what seems to be its original feature, is the faculty of manufacturing artificial objects, especially tools to make tools, and of indefinitely urging the manufacture. 
 | author = [[Author:Henri Bergson|Henri Bergson]]
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place = Ch. II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = Instinct perfected is a faculty of using and even constructing organized instruments; intelligence perfected is the faculty of making and using unorganized instruments. 
 | author = Henri Bergson
 | work = Creative Evolution.
 | place =  Ch. II. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 9
 | text    = For the eye of the intellect &quot;sees in all objects what it brought with it the means of seeing.&quot; 
 | trans   = 
 | author  = [[Author:Thomas Carlyle|Carlyle]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = Varnhagen Von Erne's Memoirs.
 | place   = London and Westminster Review. 1838.
 | note    =
 | seealso =(See also {{sc|Carlyle}} under {{sc|Eyes}})
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = The growth of the intellect is spontaneous in every expansion. The mind that grows could not predict the times, the means, the mode of that spontaneity. God enters by a private door into every individual. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Essays. Intellect.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = 'Tis good-will makes intelligence. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = The Titmouse.
 | place = L. 65.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = Works of the intellect are great only by comparison with each other. 
 | author = [[Author:Ralph Waldo Emerson|Emerson]]
 | work = Literary Ethics.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = Thou living ray of intellectual fire. 
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]]. 
 | place= Canto I. L. 104. 
 | note =
 | topic =Intellect
 | page = 398 
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = Glorious indeed is the world of God around us, but more glorious the world of God within us. There lies the Land of Song; there lies the poet's native land. 
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work = Hyperion. 
 | place = Bk. I. Ch. VIII. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = A man is not a wall, whose stones are crushed upon the road; or a pipe, whose fragments are thrown away at a street corner. The fragments of an intellect are always good. 
| author = [[Author:George Sand|George Sand]]
| work = Handsome Lawrence. 
| place= Ch.II. 
| note =
| topic = Intellect
| page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = The march of intellect. 
 | author = [[Author:Robert Southey|Southey]]
 | work = Sir Thos. More; or, Colloquies on the Progress and Prospects of Society. 
 | place= Vol. II. P. 361. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 17
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The intellectual power, through words and things, 
Went sounding on, a dim and perilous way! &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Wordsworth|Wordsworth]]
 | work = [[The Excursion|Excursion.]]
 | place =  Bk. III. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 18
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Three sleepless nights I passed in sounding on, 
Through words and things, a dim and perilous way.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Wordsworth|Wordsworth]]
 | work = Borderers.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | see also = Written eighteen years before {{sc|Excursion}}.
 | topic = Intellect
 | page = 398
}}
&lt;section end=&quot;INSULT&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Intemperence&quot; /&gt;{{Hoyt topic|Intemperence}}
{{c|(See also {{sc|Drinking}}, {{sc|Wine}})}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Beware the deadly fumes of that insane elation 
{{em}}Which rises from the cup of mad impiety, 
And go, get drunk with that divine intoxication 
{{em}}Which is more sober far than all sobriety.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Rounseville Alger|Wm. R. Alger]]
 | work = Oriental Poetry. The Sober Drunkenness.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num =20
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; 
{{em}}The best of life is but intoxication: 
Glory, the grape, love, gold, in these are sunk 
{{em}}The hopes of all men and of every nation; 
Without their sap, how branchless were the trunk 
{{em}}Of life's strange tree, so fruitful on occasion: 
But to return,—Get very drunk; and when 
You wake with headache, you shall see what then.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Don Juan. 
 | place = Canto II. St. 179. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 21
 | text = Libidinosa etenim et intemperans adolescentia effœtum corpus tradit senectuti. 
 | trans = A sensual and intemperate youth hands over a worn-out body to old age. 
 | author = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | work = De Senectute.
 | place = IX.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 22
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Ha! see where the wild-blazing Grog-Shop appears, 
{{em}}As the red waves of wretchedness swell, 
How it burns on the edge of tempestuous years 
{{em}}The horrible Light-House of Hell!&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = M'Donald Clarke
 | work = The Rum Hole.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 23
 | text = All learned, and all drunk!
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = [[The Poetical Works of William Cowper (Benham)/The Task|The Task.]]  
 | place = Bk. IV. L. 478.
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 24
 | text = Gloriously drunk, obey the important call.
 | author = [[Author:William Cowper  (1731-1800)|Cowper]]
 | work = [[The Poetical Works of William Cowper (Benham)/The Task|The Task.]] 
 | place = Bk. IV. L. 510. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Intemperence 
 | page = 398
}}
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The sacred lamp of day
Now dipt in western clouds his parting ray.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]].
 | place = Canto II. L. 27.
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Oft did I wonder why the setting sun 
Should look upon us with a blushing face: 
Is't not for shame of what he hath seen done, 
Whilst in our hemisphere he ran his race? &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Heath
 | work = First Century. On the Setting Sun.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Forming and breaking in the sky, 
I fancy all shapes are there; 
Temple, mountain, monument; spire; 
Ships rigged out with sails of fire, 
And blown by the evening air. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = J. K. Hoyt
 | work = A Summer Sunset.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Down sank the great red sun, and in golden, glimmering vapors 
Veiled the light of his face, like the Prophet descending from Sinai.&lt;/poem&gt;  
 | author = Longfellow
 | work = [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]]
 | place = Pt. I. Sec. II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Softly the evening came. The sun from the western horizon 
Like a magician extended his golden wand o'er the landscape; 
Twinkling vapors arose; and sky and water and forest 
Seemed all on fire at the touch, and melted and mingled together. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]].  
 | place = Pt. II. Sec II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;After a day of cloud and wind and rain 
Sometimes the setting sun breaks out again, 
And, touching all the darksome woods with light, 
Smiles on the fields until they laugh and sing, 
Then like a ruby from the horizon's ring, 
Drops down into the night. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  Hanging of the Crane.  
 | place = Pt. VII.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;And the gilded car of day, 
His glowing axle doth allay 
In the steep Atlantic stream. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:John Milton|Milton]]
 | work =  Comus.  
 | place = L. 95.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Now in his Palace of the West, 
Sinking to slumber, the bright Day, 
Like a tired monarch fann'd to rest, 
'Mid the cool airs of Evening lay; 
While round his couch's golden rim 
The gaudy clouds, like courtiers, crept—
Struggling each other's light to dim, 
And catch his last smile e'er he slept. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Moore
 | work = The Summer Fête.
 | place = St. 22.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 9
 | text = Long on the wave reflected lustres play. 
 | author =[[Author:Samuel Rogers|Samuel Rogers]]
 | work = The Pleasures of Memory.
 | place = Pt. I. L. 94.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Methought little space 'tween those hills intervened, 
But nearer,—more lofty,—more shaggy they seemed. 
The clouds o'er their summits they calmly did rest, 
And hung on the ether's invisible breast; 
Than the vapours of earth they seemed purer, more bright,—
Oh! could they be clouds? 'Twas the necklace of night.&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | trans   = 
 | author  = Ruskin
 | cog     = 
 | work    = The Iteriad. Sunset at Low-Wood.
 | place   = 
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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ll 
The lonely sunsets flare forlorn 
Down valleys dreadly desolate; 
The lonely mountains soar in scorn 
As still as death, as stern as fate. 
Robert Service—The Land God Forgot. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The setting sun, and music at the close, 
At the last taste of sweets, is sweetest last. 
Richard II. Act II. Sc. 1. L. 12. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;When the sun sets, who doth not look for 
night? 
Richard III. Act II. Sc. 3. L. 34. 
 The sun was down, 
And all the west was paved with sullen fire. 
I cried, &quot;Behold! the barren beach of hell 
At ebb of tide.&quot; 
Alexander Smith—A Life Drama. Sc. 4. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;How fine has the day been! how bright was the 
sun, 
How lovely and joyful the course that he run! 
Though he rose in a mist when his race he begun, 
And there followed some droppings of rain: 
But now the fair traveller's come to the west, 
His rays are all gold, and his beauties are best; 
He paints the skies gay as he sinks to his rest, 
And foretells a bright rising again. 
Watts—Moral Songs. A Summer Evening. 
SUPERSTITION 
 
Foul Superstition! howsoe'er disguised, 
Idol, saint, virgin, prophet, crescent, cross, 
For whatsoever symbol thou art prized, 
Thou sacerdotal gain, but general loss! 
Who from true worship's gold can separate 
thy dross? 
[[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]—Childe Harold. Canto H. St. 44. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Superstitione tollenda religio non tollitur. 
Religion is not removed by removing superstition. 
Cicero—De Dmnatione. II. 72. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Accedit etiam mors, quae quasi saxum Tantalo 
semper impendit: turn superstitio, qua qui est 
imbutus quietus esse numquam potest. 
Death approaches, which is always impending like the stone over Tantalus: then cornea 
superstition with which he who is imbued can 
never have peace of mind. 
Cicero—De Finibus Bonorum et Mahrum. I. 
8. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Superstitio, in qua inest inanis timor 
Dei; religio, quae dei pio cultu continetur. 
There is in superstition a senseless fear of 
God; religion consists in the pious worship of 
Him. 
Cicero—De Natura Deorum. I. 42. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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{{Hoyt quote
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 | text = &lt;poem&gt;My right eye itches, some good luek is near. 
[[Author:John Dryden|Dryden]]—Paraphrase of Amaryllis. Third 
IdyHivm of Theocritus. L. 86. 
&lt;/poem&gt;
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 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The sacred lamp of day
Now dipt in western clouds his parting ray.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]].
 | place = Canto II. L. 27.
 | topic = Sunset
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 2
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Oft did I wonder why the setting sun 
Should look upon us with a blushing face: 
Is't not for shame of what he hath seen done, 
Whilst in our hemisphere he ran his race? &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Heath
 | work = First Century. On the Setting Sun.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Forming and breaking in the sky, 
I fancy all shapes are there; 
Temple, mountain, monument; spire; 
Ships rigged out with sails of fire, 
And blown by the evening air. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = J. K. Hoyt
 | work = A Summer Sunset.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Down sank the great red sun, and in golden, glimmering vapors 
Veiled the light of his face, like the Prophet descending from Sinai.&lt;/poem&gt;  
 | author = Longfellow
 | work = [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]]
 | place = Pt. I. Sec. II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Softly the evening came. The sun from the western horizon 
Like a magician extended his golden wand o'er the landscape; 
Twinkling vapors arose; and sky and water and forest 
Seemed all on fire at the touch, and melted and mingled together. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]].  
 | place = Pt. II. Sec II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;After a day of cloud and wind and rain 
Sometimes the setting sun breaks out again, 
And, touching all the darksome woods with light, 
Smiles on the fields until they laugh and sing, 
Then like a ruby from the horizon's ring, 
Drops down into the night. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  Hanging of the Crane.  
 | place = Pt. VII.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;And the gilded car of day, 
His glowing axle doth allay 
In the steep Atlantic stream. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:John Milton|Milton]]
 | work =  Comus.  
 | place = L. 95.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Now in his Palace of the West, 
Sinking to slumber, the bright Day, 
Like a tired monarch fann'd to rest, 
'Mid the cool airs of Evening lay; 
While round his couch's golden rim 
The gaudy clouds, like courtiers, crept—
Struggling each other's light to dim, 
And catch his last smile e'er he slept. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Moore
 | work = The Summer Fête.
 | place = St. 22.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 9
 | text = Long on the wave reflected lustres play. 
 | author =[[Author:Samuel Rogers|Samuel Rogers]]
 | work = The Pleasures of Memory.
 | place = Pt. I. L. 94.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Methought little space 'tween those hills intervened, 
But nearer,—more lofty,—more shaggy they seemed. 
The clouds o'er their summits they calmly did rest, 
And hung on the ether's invisible breast; 
Than the vapours of earth they seemed purer, more bright,—
Oh! could they be clouds? 'Twas the necklace of night.&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | trans   = 
 | author  = [[Author:John Ruskin|Ruskin]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = The Iteriad. Sunset at Low-Wood.
 | place   = 
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The lonely sunsets flare forlorn 
{{em}}Down valleys dreadly desolate; 
The lonely mountains soar in scorn 
{{em}}As still as death, as stern as fate. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Robert Service|Robert Service]]
 | work = The Land God Forgot.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The setting sun, and music at the close, 
At the last taste of sweets, is sweetest last.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = Richard II.
 | place = Act II. Sc. 1. L. 12.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = When the sun sets, who doth not look for night? 
 | author = 
 | work = Richard III.
 | place = Act II. Sc. 3. L. 34. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;{{phantom|And all the west was p}}The sun was down, 
And all the west was paved with sullen fire. 
I cried, &quot;Behold! the barren beach of hell 
At ebb of tide.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | author = Alexander Smith
 | work = A Life Drama.
 | place = Sc. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;How fine has the day been! how bright was the sun, 
How lovely and joyful the course that he run! 
Though he rose in a mist when his race he begun, 
{{em}}And there followed some droppings of rain: 
But now the fair traveller's come to the west, 
His rays are all gold, and his beauties are best; 
He paints the skies gay as he sinks to his rest, 
{{em}}And foretells a bright rising again. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Isaac Watts|Watts]]
 | work = Moral Songs. A Summer Evening.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt topic|SUPERSTITION}}
 
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Foul Superstition! howsoe'er disguised, 
{{em}}Idol, saint, virgin, prophet, crescent, cross, 
For whatsoever symbol thou art prized, 
{{em}}Thou sacerdotal gain, but general loss! 
{{em}}Who from true worship's gold can separate thy dross? &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Childe Harold.
 | place = Canto II. St. 44.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 17
 | text    = Superstitione tollenda religio non tollitur.
 | trans   = Religion is not removed by removing superstition.
 | author  = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = De Divinatione.
 | place   = II. 72.
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 18
 | text    = Accedit etiam mors, quae quasi saxum Tantalo semper impendit: tum superstitio, qua qui est imbutus quietus esse numquam potest.
 | trans   = Death approaches, which is always impending like the stone over Tantalus: then comes superstition with which he who is imbued can never have peace of mind.
 | author  = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum.
 | place   = I. 8. 
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Superstitio, in qua inest inanis timor 
Dei; religio, quæ dei pio cultu continetur.&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | trans = There is in superstition a senseless fear of God; religion consists in the pious worship of Him.
 | author = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | work = De Natura Deorum.
 | place = I. 42.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 20
 | text = My right eye itches, some good luck is near. 
 | author = [[Author:John Dryden|Dryden]]
 | work = Paraphrase of Amaryllis. Third Idyllium of Theocritus.
 | place = L. 86.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
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 | num = 1
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The sacred lamp of day
Now dipt in western clouds his parting ray.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer]]
 | work = [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]].
 | place = Canto II. L. 27.
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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 | num = 2
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Oft did I wonder why the setting sun 
Should look upon us with a blushing face: 
Is't not for shame of what he hath seen done, 
Whilst in our hemisphere he ran his race? &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = Heath
 | work = First Century. On the Setting Sun.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 3
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Forming and breaking in the sky, 
I fancy all shapes are there; 
Temple, mountain, monument; spire; 
Ships rigged out with sails of fire, 
And blown by the evening air. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = J. K. Hoyt
 | work = A Summer Sunset.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 4
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Down sank the great red sun, and in golden, glimmering vapors 
Veiled the light of his face, like the Prophet descending from Sinai.&lt;/poem&gt;  
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work = [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]]
 | place = Pt. I. Sec. II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
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{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 5
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Softly the evening came. The sun from the western horizon 
Like a magician extended his golden wand o'er the landscape; 
Twinkling vapors arose; and sky and water and forest 
Seemed all on fire at the touch, and melted and mingled together. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  [[Evangeline: A Tale of Acadie|Evangeline]].  
 | place = Pt. II. Sec II.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 6 
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;After a day of cloud and wind and rain 
Sometimes the setting sun breaks out again, 
And, touching all the darksome woods with light, 
Smiles on the fields until they laugh and sing, 
Then like a ruby from the horizon's ring, 
Drops down into the night. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Henry Wadsworth Longfellow|Longfellow]]
 | work =  Hanging of the Crane.  
 | place = Pt. VII.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 7
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;And the gilded car of day, 
His glowing axle doth allay 
In the steep Atlantic stream. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:John Milton|Milton]]
 | work =  Comus.  
 | place = L. 95.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 8
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Now in his Palace of the West, 
Sinking to slumber, the bright Day, 
Like a tired monarch fann'd to rest, 
'Mid the cool airs of Evening lay; 
While round his couch's golden rim 
The gaudy clouds, like courtiers, crept—
Struggling each other's light to dim, 
And catch his last smile e'er he slept. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Thomas Moore (1779–1852)|Moore]]
 | work = The Summer Fête.
 | place = St. 22.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 9
 | text = Long on the wave reflected lustres play. 
 | author =[[Author:Samuel Rogers|Samuel Rogers]]
 | work = The Pleasures of Memory.
 | place = Pt. I. L. 94.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 10
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Methought little space 'tween those hills intervened, 
But nearer,—more lofty,—more shaggy they seemed. 
The clouds o'er their summits they calmly did rest, 
And hung on the ether's invisible breast; 
Than the vapours of earth they seemed purer, more bright,—
Oh! could they be clouds? 'Twas the necklace of night.&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | trans   = 
 | author  = [[Author:John Ruskin|Ruskin]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = The Iteriad. Sunset at Low-Wood.
 | place   = 
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 11
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The lonely sunsets flare forlorn 
{{em}}Down valleys dreadly desolate; 
The lonely mountains soar in scorn 
{{em}}As still as death, as stern as fate. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Robert Service|Robert Service]]
 | work = The Land God Forgot.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 12
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;The setting sun, and music at the close, 
At the last taste of sweets, is sweetest last.&lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = 
 | work = Richard II.
 | place = Act II. Sc. 1. L. 12.
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 13
 | text = When the sun sets, who doth not look for night? 
 | author = 
 | work = Richard III.
 | place = Act II. Sc. 3. L. 34. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 14
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;{{phantom|And all the west was p}}The sun was down, 
And all the west was paved with sullen fire. 
I cried, &quot;Behold! the barren beach of hell 
At ebb of tide.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | author = Alexander Smith
 | work = A Life Drama.
 | place = Sc. 4. 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 15
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;How fine has the day been! how bright was the sun, 
How lovely and joyful the course that he run! 
Though he rose in a mist when his race he begun, 
{{em}}And there followed some droppings of rain: 
But now the fair traveller's come to the west, 
His rays are all gold, and his beauties are best; 
He paints the skies gay as he sinks to his rest, 
{{em}}And foretells a bright rising again. &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:Isaac Watts|Watts]]
 | work = Moral Songs. A Summer Evening.
 | place = 
 | note = 
 | topic = Sunset
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt topic|SUPERSTITION}}
 
{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 16
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Foul Superstition! howsoe'er disguised, 
{{em}}Idol, saint, virgin, prophet, crescent, cross, 
For whatsoever symbol thou art prized, 
{{em}}Thou sacerdotal gain, but general loss! 
{{em}}Who from true worship's gold can separate thy dross? &lt;/poem&gt;
 | author = [[Author:George Gordon Byron|Byron]]
 | work = Childe Harold.
 | place = Canto II. St. 44.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 17
 | text    = Superstitione tollenda religio non tollitur.
 | trans   = Religion is not removed by removing superstition.
 | author  = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = De Divinatione.
 | place   = II. 72.
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num     = 18
 | text    = Accedit etiam mors, quae quasi saxum Tantalo semper impendit: tum superstitio, qua qui est imbutus quietus esse numquam potest.
 | trans   = Death approaches, which is always impending like the stone over Tantalus: then comes superstition with which he who is imbued can never have peace of mind.
 | author  = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | cog     = 
 | work    = De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum.
 | place   = I. 8. 
 | note    =
 | seealso =
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 19
 | text = &lt;poem&gt;Superstitio, in qua inest inanis timor 
Dei; religio, quæ dei pio cultu continetur.&lt;/poem&gt; 
 | trans = There is in superstition a senseless fear of God; religion consists in the pious worship of Him.
 | author = [[Author:Marcus Tullius Cicero|Cicero]]
 | work = De Natura Deorum.
 | place = I. 42.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
}}

{{Hoyt quote
 | num = 20
 | text = My right eye itches, some good luck is near. 
 | author = [[Author:John Dryden|Dryden]]
 | work = Paraphrase of Amaryllis. Third Idyllium of Theocritus.
 | place = L. 86.
 | note = 
 | topic = Superstition
 | page = 770
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We have no right to be ''&quot;disconnected&quot;''; we must neither err &quot;disconnectedly&quot; nor strike the truth &quot;disconnectedly.&quot; Rather with the necessity with which a tree bears its fruit, so do our thoughts, our values, our Yes's and No's and If's and Whether's, grow connected and interrelated, mutual witnesses of ''one'' will, ''one'' health, ''one'' kingdom, ''one'' sun—as to whether they are to ''your'' taste, these fruits of ours?—But what matters that to the trees? What matters that to us, us the philosophers?


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Owing to a scrupulosity peculiar to myself, which I confess reluctantly,—it concerns indeed ''morality'',—a scrupulosity, which manifests itself in my life at such an early period, with so much spontaneity, with so chronic a persistence and so keen an opposition to environment, epoch, precedent, and ancestry that I should have been almost entitled to style it my ''&quot;[[w:A priori and a posteriori|â priori]]&quot;''—my curiosity and my suspicion felt themselves betimes bound to halt at the question, of what in point of actual fact was the ''origin'' of our &quot;Good&quot; and of our &quot;Evil.&quot; Indeed, at the boyish age of thirteen the problem of the origin of Evil already haunted me: at an age &quot;when games and God divide one's heart,&quot; I devoted to that problem my first childish attempt at the literary game, my first philosophic essay—{{upe}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Just like the plight of the water-animals, when they were compelled either to become land-animals or to perish, so was the plight of these half-animals, perfectly adapted as they were to the savage life of war, prowling, and adventure—suddenly all their instincts were rendered worthless and &quot;switched off.&quot; Henceforward they had to walk on their feet—&quot;carry themselves,&quot; whereas heretofore they had been carried by the water: a terrible heaviness oppressed them. They found themselves clumsy in obeying the simplest directions, confronted with this new and unknown world they had no longer their old guides—the regulative instincts that had led them unconsciously to safety—they were reduced, were those unhappy creatures, to thinking, inferring, calculating, putting together causes and results, reduced to that poorest and most erratic organ of theirs, their &quot;consciousness.&quot; I do not believe there was ever in the world such a feeling of misery, such a leaden discomfort—further, those old instincts had not immediately ceased their demands! Only it was difficult and rarely possible to gratify them: speaking broadly, they were compelled to satisfy themselves by new and, as it were, [[wikt:hole-and-corner|hole-and-corner]] methods. All instincts which do not find a vent without, ''turn inwards''—{{upe}}&lt;noinclude&gt;
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The dictates of fairness, however, require that we should all the more emphasise the fact that this remedy is applied with a ''good conscience'', that the ascetic priest has prescribed it in the most implicit belief in its utility and indispensability;—often enough almost collapsing in the presence of the pain which he created;—that we should similarly emphasise the fact that the violent physiological revenges of such excesses, even perhaps the mental disturbances, are not absolutely inconsistent with the general tenor of this kind of remedy; this remedy, which, as we have shown previously, is ''not'' for the purpose of healing diseases, but of fighting the unhappiness of that depression, the alleviation and deadening of which was its object. The object was consequently achieved. The keynote by which the ascetic priest was enabled to get every kind of agonising and ecstatic music to play on the fibres of the human soul—was, as every one knows, the exploitation of the feeling of ''&quot;guilt.&quot;'' I have already indicated in the previous essay the origin of this feeling—as a piece of animal psychology and nothing else: we were thus confronted with the feeling of &quot;guilt,&quot; in its crude state, as it were. It was first in the hands of the priest, real artist that he was in the feeling of guilt, that it took shape—oh, what a shape!

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STAT.

193

PUBLIC LAW 120—AUG. 21, 1951

Act entitled &quot; A n Act to i n c o r p o r a t e the Girl Scouts of the United
States of America, and for other purposes &quot;, a p p r o v e d March 16, 1950,
is hereby amended to read as f o l l o w s:
&quot; SEC. 6. The corporation shall have the sole and exclusive r i g h t to
h a v e and to use, in c a r r y i n g out its purposes, all emblems and badges,
descriptive o r designating m a r k s, and w o r d s or p h r a s e s now or heretofore used by the old corporation and by its successor in c a r r y i n g
out its program, i n c l u d i n g the sole and exclusive r i g h t to use, or to
a u t h o r i z e the.use of, during the existence of the corporation, the b a d g e
of the G i r l Scouts, I n c o r p o r a t e d, which is r e f e r r e d to in the Act of
August 12, 1937 ( P u b l i c, N u m b e r e d 259, Seventy-fifth C o n g r e s s; 50
Stat. 628), and all the other aforesaid emblems and badges, descriptive
or designating m a r k s, and w o r d s or p h r a s e s in connection w i t h the
manufacturing, a d v e r t i s i n g, and selling of equipment and m e r c h and i s e: Provided, however, That nothing in t h i s Act shall interfere or
conflict with established or vested rights.&quot;'
A p p r o v e d August 17, 1951.

Public Law 118

CHAPTER

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Secretary
of the Interior s a u t h o r i z e d and directed to w i t h d r a w from the
Menominee 5 per c e n t u m fund in the Treasury and to expend such
a m o u n t as is necessary to make a per capita payment of $150 to each
i n d i v i d u a l entered on the roll of the Menominee T r i b e of Indians of
W i s c o n s i n as of December 31, 1950.
A p p r o v e d August 20, 1951.

CHAPTER

Emblems, b a d g e s,
etc.

335

AN ACT
To authorize a per capita payment to nieml)ers of the Menoiniiiee Tribe of Indians.

Public Law 119

64 Stat. 22.
36 U.S.C. §36.

August 20, 1951
[H. R. 3782]

Menominee T r i b e
of Indians.

336

AN ACT
To authorize the city of Burlington, Iowa, to own, maintain, and operate a toll
bridge across the Mississippi River at or near said city.

August 20, 1951
[H. R. 4332]

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the
United States of America in Congress assembled. That the city of Mfgf'arfurUngB u r l i n g to n, I o w a, is hereby a u t h o r i z e d to own, m a i n t a i n, and o p e r a t e ton, Iowa.
the existing i n t e r s t a t e toll b r i d g e, a p p r o a c h e s thereto, and connecting
h i g h w a y s e x t e n d i n g across the Mississippi R i v e r from w i t h i n said
city, in accordance w i t h the provisions of the Act of Congress a p p r o v e d
March 23, 1906.
ltTs%.,,,,iSEC, 2. The r i g h t to alter, \mend, or repeal t h i s Act is hereby 498.
expressly reserved.
A p p r o v e d August 20, 1951.

Public Law 120

CHAPTER 3 3 8

AN ACT
To provide for the use of the tribal funds of the Ute Indian Tribe of the Uintah
and Ouray Reservation, to authorize a per capita payment out of such funds,
to provide for the division of certain tribal funds with the Southern Utes,
and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That, not w i t h s t and -

August 21, 1951
[H. R. 3795]

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PUBLIC LAW 5 5 8 - J U L Y 29, 1954

[68 S T A T.

(c) MEMBERS FROM PRIVATE LIFE.—The members from private life
shall receive not to exceed $75 per diem when engaged in the performance of duties vested in the Commission, plus reimbursement for
travel, subsistence, and other necessary expenses incurred by them in
the performance of such duties.
STAFF o r THE COMMISSION

SEC. 6. The Commission shall have power to appoint a Secretary
General at a salary of not to exceed $15,000 per annum, and an Assistant Secretary General at a salary of not to exceed $12,500 per annum,
and such other personnel in accordance with the Classification Act
of 1949, as amended, or to obtain assistance from Government agencies
on a reimbursable basis. The Commission is further authorized to
employ experts and consultants for temporary and intermittent
personal services, but at rates not to exceed $75 per diem for each individual. The Commission is authorized without regard to any other
provision of law to reimburse employees, experts, and consultants for
travel, subsistence, and other necessary expenses incurred by them in
the performance of their official duties and to make reasonable
advances to such persons for such purposes.
EXPENSES OF THE COMMISSION

SEC. 7. There is hereby authorized to be appropriated, out of any
money in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, not to exceed
$250,000 to carry out the provisions of this Act.
REPORT—^EXPIRATION OF THE COMMISSION

SEC. 8. (a) REPORT.—On or before December 31, 1954, the Commission shall make a report of its findings and recommendations to
the Congress. I t may submit such interim reports as it deems
desirable.
(b) EXPIRATION OF THE COMMISSION.—Ninety days after the submission to the Congress of the report provided for in subsection (a)
of this section 8, the Commission shall cease to exist.
D U T I E S OF THE COMMISSION

SEC. 9. The Commission is directed to examine, study, and report
on the objectives, operations, and effectiveness of our information
programs with respect to the prompt development of techniques, methods, and programs for greatly expanded and far more effective operations in this vital area of foreign policy through the use of foreign
telecommunications.
POWERS OF THE COMMISSION

Hearings.
subpena.

Fiscri^^tVement and audit.

gj,^, ^Q (a) The Commission or, on the authorization of the Commission, any subcommittee or member thereof, shall have power to
hold hearings and sit and act at such times and places in the United
States and abroad, to require by subpena or otherwise the attendance
of such witnesses and the production of such books, papers, and documents, to administer such oaths, and to take such testimony, as the
Commission or such subcommittee or member may deem advisable.
Subpenas shall be issued under the signature of the Chairman of the
Commission and shall be served by any person designated by him.
(b) The Commission may authorize the Chairman or the Vice
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INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OP 1954
(2) SIMPLIFICATION OF LAW.—
(A) INVESTIGATION OF METHODS.—To investigate

measures
and methods for the simplification of such taxes, particularly the
income tax; and
(B) PUBLICATION OF PROPOSALS.—To publish, from time to
time, for public examination and analysis, proposed measures and
methods for the simplification of such taxes.
(3) REPORTS.—To report, from time to time, to the Committee
on Finance and the Committee on Ways and Means, and, in its
discretion, to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or both,
the results of its investigations, together with such recommendations
as it may deem advisable.
.
(4) CROSS REFERENCE.—
For duties of the Joint Committee relating to refunds of income and
estate taxes, see section 6405.
SEC. 8023. ADDITIONAL POWERS TO OBTAIN DATA.
(a) SECURING OF D A T A. — The Joint Committee or the Chief of

Staff of the Joint Committee, upon approval of the Chairman or
Vice Chairman, is authorized to secure directly from the Internal
Revenue Service (including the Assistant General Counsel of the
Treasury Department serving as the Chief Counsel of the Internal
Revenue Service), or directly from any executive department, board,
bureau, agency, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the
Government, information, suggestions, rulings, data, estimates, and
statistics, for the purpose of making investigations, reports, and
studies relating to internal revenue taxation.
(b) FURNISHING OF DATA.—The Internal Revenue Service (including the Assistant General Counsel of the Treasury Department serving as the Chief Counsel of the Internal Revenue Service), executive
departments, boards, bureaus, agencies, independent establishments,
and instrumentalities are authorized and directed to furnish such
information, suggestions, rulings, data, estimates, and statistics directly
to the Joint Committee or to the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee,
upon request made pursuant to this section.
(c) Subsections (a) and (b) shall be applied in accordance with
their provisions without regard to Reorganization Plan Numbered
26 of 1950 or to any other reorganization plan becoming effective on,
before, or after February 28, 1951.

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PUBLIC LAW 6 2 7 - J U N E 29, 1956

401

after apportion to the States for such fiscal year for the construction,
reconstruction, or improvement of the Interstate System, in lieu of the
amount which but for the provisions of this subsection would be so
apportioned, the amount obtained by multiplying the amount authorized to be appropriated for such fiscal year by such percentage. Whenever the Secretary of the Treasury determines that there will be available in the Highway Trust F u n d (excluding repayable advances)
amounts which, after all other expenditures required to be made from
such fund have been defrayed, will be available to defray the expenditures required as a result of the apportionment of any Federal-aid
highway funds for the Interstate System previously withheld from
apportionment for any fiscal year, he shall so advise the Secretary of
Commerce and the Secretary of Commerce shall apportion to the
States such portion of the funds so withheld from apportionment as
the Secretary of the Treasury has advised him may be so apportioned
without causing expenditures from the Highway Trust Fund for the
Interstate System to exceed amounts available in such fund (excluding
repayable advances) to defray such expenditures. Any funds apportioned pursuant to the provisions of the preceding sentence shall remain available for expenditure until the close of the third fiscal year
following that in which apportioned.
SEC. 210. INVESTIGATION AND REPORT TO CONGRESS.

(a) PURPOSE.—The purpose of this section is to make available to
the Congress information on the basis of which it may determine
what taxes should be imposed by the United States, and in what
amounts, in order to assure, insofar as practicable, an equitable distribution of the tax burden among the various classes of persons
using the Federal-aid highways or otherwise deriving benefits from
such highways.
(b) STUDY AND INVESTIGATION.—In order to carry out the purpose

of this section, the Secretary of Commerce is hereby authorized and
directed, in cooperation with other Federal officers and agencies (particularly the Interstate Commerce Commission) and with the State
highway departments, to make a study and investigation of—
(1) the effects on design, construction, and maintenance of
Federal-aid highways of (A) the use of vehicles of different
dimensions, weights, and other specifications, and (B) the frequency of occurrences of such vehicles in the traffic stream,
(2) the proportionate share of the design, construction, and
maintenance costs of the Federal-aid highways attributable to
each class of persons using such highways, such proportionate
share to be based on the effects referred to in paragraph (1) and
the benefits derived from the use of such highways, and
(3) any direct and indirect benefits accruing to any class which
derives benefits from Federal-aid highways, in addition to benefits
from actual use of such highways, which are attributable to public
expenditures for such highways.
(c) COORDINATION W I T H OTHER STUDIES.—The Secretary of Commerce shall coordinate the study and investigation required by this
section with—
(1) the research and other activities authorized by section 10
of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1954, and
^8 Stat. 74.
23 USC 21-1.
(2) the tests referred to m section 108(k) of this Act.
(d) REPORTS ON STUDY AND INVESTIGATION.—The Secretary of Commerce shall report to the Congress the results of the study and investigation required by this section. The final report shall be made as
soon as possible but in no event later than March 1, 1959. On or before
March 1, 1957, and on or before March 1, 1958, the Secretary of Commerce shall report to the Congress the progress that has been made in
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National Guard and for other military purposes, and that if the
State of Iowa shall cease to use the property so conveyed for the
purposes intended, then title thereto shall immediately revert to the
United States and, in addition, all improvements made during its
occupancy by the State of Iowa shall vest in the United States without
payment of compensation therefor.
SEC. 4. The conveyance of the property authorized by this Act
shall be upon the further provision that whenever the Congress of the
United States declares a state of war or other national emergency, or
the President declares a state of national emergency, and upon the
determination by the Secretary of Defense that the property conveyed
under this Act is useful or necessary for military, air, or naval purposes, or in the interest of national defense, the United States shall
have the right, without obligation to make payment of any kind, to
reenter upon the property and use the same or any part thereof, including any and all improvements made thereon during its occupancy
by the State of Iowa, for the duration of such state of war or of such
national emergency. Upon the termination of such state of war or of
such national emergency plus six months such property shall revert
to the State of Iowa, together with all appurtenances and utilities
belonging or appertaining thereto.
SEC. 5. In consideration for the conveyance of the lands described
in the first section of this Act, the State of Iowa shall agree to use for
military purposes only and not to sell, convey, or otherwise dispose
of all or any part of certain lands (hereinafter called State lands)
and improvements thereon which are owned by the State of Iowa and
are used for National Guard purposes in connection with Camp Dodge
and Polk County Target Range as of the date of enactment of this
Act: Provided, That the improvements on such lands which are now
being used by the State of Iowa for other than military purposes may
continue to be used for such purposes so long as such use does not
interfere with the utilization of such lands for military purposes.
The State of Iowa further agrees that it will, prior to delivery of the
conveyance authorized herein, file with the Office of the Division Engineer, Corps of Engineers, F a r m Credit Building, 206 South Nineteenth Street, Omaha, Nebraska, a description of and inventory of
the State-owned property as defined herein. In the event that the
State of Iowa at any time shall breach the agreement defined in this
section, all right, title, and interest in and to the property conveyed
to the State of Iowa by the United States under the provisions of
this Act shall revert to the United States without cost. The State
shall further agree that in the event that the Congress of the United
States declares a state of war or other national emergency, or the
President declares a state of national emergency, the use of the State
lands and improvements thereon, or any part thereof, shall, upon
request of the Secretary of Defense, be used by the United States
during such emergency without cost to the United States.
SEC. 6. I n executing the deed of conveyance authorized by this Act,
the Secretary of the Army shall include specific provisions covering
the reservations and conditions contained m sections 2, 3, 4, and 5 of
this Act.
SEC. 7. The cost of any surveys necessary as an incident of the conveyance authorized herein shall be bonie by the State of Iowa.
SEC. 8. The Secretary of the Army is authorized to determine and
enforce compliance with the conditions, reservations, and restrictions
contained in this Act and any related documents.
Approved June 1, 1955.

National
gency*

Agree menta

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PUBLIC LAW 85-594-AUG. 6, 1958

511

SEC. 3. Whenever in this Act an amount is specified within an Maximum amount.
appropriation for particular purposes or object of expenditure, such
amount, unless otherwise specified, shall be considered as the maximum amount which may be expended for said purpose or object
rather than an amount set apart exclusively therefor.
Automobile a l SEC. 4. Appropriations in this Act shall be available, when author- lowances.
ized or approved by the Commissioners, for allowances for privately
owned automobiles used for the performance of official duties at 8
cents per mile but not to exceed $25 a month for each automobile,
unless otherwise therein specifically provided, except that fifty-two
such allowances at not more than $410 each per annum may be authorized or approved by the Commissioners.
A11 e n
SEC. 5. Appropriations in this Act shall be available for the pay- meetings.d a nc e at
ment of dues and expenses of attendance of meetings of organizations
concerned with the work of the District of Columbia government,
when authorized by the Commissioners: Provided, That the total expenditures for this purpose shall not exceed $40,000.
SEC. 6. Appropriations in this Act shall be available, when authorized by the Commissioners, for services as authorized by section 15 of
60 Stat. 810.
the Act of August 2, 1946 (5 U.S.C. 55a).
SEC. 7. The disbursing officials designated by the Commissioners are Advances.
authorized to advance to such officials as may be approved by the Commissioners such amounts and for such purposes as the Commissioners
may determine.
SEC. 8. Appropriations in this Act shall not be used for or in con- Restrictions.
nection with the preparation, issuance, publication, or enforcement
of any regulation or order of the Public Utilities Commission requiring the installation of meters in taxicabs, or for or in connection with
the licensing of any vehicle to be operated as a taxicab except for operation in accordance with such system of uniform zones and rates and
regulations applicable thereto as shall have been prescribed by the
Public Utilities Commission.
SEC. 9. Appropriations in this Act shall not be available for the Street lighting.
payment of rates for electric current for street lighting in excess of 2
cents per kilowatt-hour for current consumed.
SEC. 10. All motor-propelled passenger-carrying vehicles (includ- h iPl a ss.s e n g er vec e
ing watercraft) owned by the District of Columbia shall be operated
and utilized in conformity with section 16 of the Act of August 2,
1946 (5 U.S.C. 77, 78), and shall be under the direction and control 60 Stat. 810.
of the Commissioners, who may from time to time alter or change the
assignment for use thereof, or direct the alteration or interchangeable
use of BLUJ of the same by officers and employees of the District, except
as otherwise provided in this Act. &quot;Official purposes&quot; shall not apply
to the Commissioners of the District of Columbia or in cases of officers and employees the character of whose duties makes such transportation necessary, but only as to such latter cases when the same
is approved by the Commissioners. No motor vehicles shall be transferred from the police or fire departments to any other branch of the
government of the District of Columbia.
SEC. 11. Appropriations contained in this Act for the Department Snow removal.
of Highways and the Department of Sanitary Engineering shall be
•available for snow and ice control work when ordered by the Commissioners in writing.
SEC. 12. Appropriations in this Act shall be available, when au- Rental of quarthorized by the Commissioners, for the rental of quarters without ters.
reference to section 6 of the District of Columbia Appropriation Act,
1945: Provided, That hereafter leases for rentals shall not be on 58 Stat. 532.
terms and periods in excess of five years.
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PUBLIC LAW 85-685-AUG. 20, 1958

[72 S T A T.

Lake City, South Carolina; Training facilities, $99,000.
Lasker-Woodland, North Carolina: Training facilities, $103,000.
Laurinburg, North Carolina: Training facilities, $105,000.
Lincolnton, North Carolina: Training facilities, $95,000.
Ligonier, Pennsylvania: Training facilities, $45,000.
Little Rock, Arkansas: Training facilities, $260,000.
Livingston, Tennessee: Training facilities, $91,000.
Logan, West Virginia: Training facilities, $189,000.
Lovell, Wyoming: Training facilities, $142,000.
Marietta, Georgia: Training facilities, $90,000.
Mayaguez, Puerto Rico: Training facilities, $160,000.
Middleboro, Kentucky: Training facilities, $130,000.
Millinocket, Maine: Training facilities, $75,000.
Minneapolis, Minnesota: Training facilities, $88,000.
Nashville, North Carolina: Training facilities, $98,000.
New Bern, Tennessee: Training facilities, $91,000.
New London, Connecticut: Training facilities, $360,000,
Norfolk, Virginia: Training facilities, $441,0(X).
Northwest St. Paul, Minnesota: Training facilities, $130,000.
Oak Ridge, Tennessee: Training facilities, $142,000.
Ocean Springs, Mississippi: Training facilities, $54,000.
Pacolet Mills, South Carolina: Training facilities, $99,000.
Patchogue, New York: Training facilities, $375,000.
Persons, Tennessee: Training facilities, $91,000.
Phoenix, Arizona: Training facilities, $65,000.
Pitman, New Jersey: Training facilities, $175,000.
Portland, Maine: Training facilities, $75,000.
Preston, I d a h o: Training facilities, $57,000.
Princeton, New Jersey: Training facilities, $175,000.
Pulaski, Virginia: Training facilities, $135,000.
Quitman, Georgia: Training facilities, $90,000.
Reynolds, Georgia: Training facilities, $90,000.
Richmond, Virginia: Training facilities, $441,000.
Rigby, I d a h o: Training facilities, $57,000.
Rockingham, North Carolina: Training facilities, $98,000.
Roseboro, North Carolina: Training facilities, $98,000.
Saco, Maine: $150,000.
Salem, New Jersey: Training facilities, $15,000.
Salem, Oregon: Training facilities, $161,000.
Salem, South Dakota: Training facilities, $150,000.
San Fernando, California: Training facilities, $115,000.
San Rafael (Fairfax), California: Training facilities, $115,000.
Saranac Lake, New York: Training facilities, $300,000.
Saugus, Massachusetts: Training facilities, $210,000.
Shallotte, North Carolina: Training facilities, $95,000.
Silver City, New Mexico: Training facilities, $57,000.
Sitka, Alaska: Training facilities, $45,000.
Smithfield, North Carolina: Training facilities, $98,000.
Smithtown, New York: Training facilities, $300,000.
Socorro, New Mexico: Training facilities, $57,000.
South Boston, Massachusetts: Training facilities, $360,000.
South Pittsburg, Tennessee: Training facilities, $91,000.
South Portland, Maine: Training facilities, $150,000.
Saint George, South Carolina: Training facilities, $99,000.
Stillwater, Minnesota: Training facilities, $37,000.
Storm Lake, lowa: Training facilities, $95,000.
Sturgis, Michigan: Training facilities, $220,000.
Swanton, Vermont: Training facilities, $137,000.
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PUBLIC LAW 86-176-AUG. 21, 1959

[73 STAT.

MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS

40 USC mk'

For miscellaneous items, exclusive of salaries unless specificallyordered by the House of Representatives, including the sum of
$65,000 for payment to the Architect of the Capitol in accordance
with section 208 of the Act approved October 9, 1940 (Public Law
^^^^' the exchange, operation, maintenance, and repair of the Clerk's
motor vehicles; the exchange, operation, maintenance, and repair of
the folding room motortruck; the exchange, maintenance, operation,
and repair of the post office motor vehicles for carrying the mails; the
sum of $600 for hire of automobile for the Sergeant at Arms; materials for folding; and for stationery for the use of committees, departments, and officers of the House; $2,450,000.
REPORTUiTG HEARINGS

For stenographic reports of hearings of committees other than
special and select committees, $150,000.
SPECIAL AND SEILECT COMMITTEES

For salaries and expenses of special and select committees authorized
by the House, $2,450,000.
JOINT COMMIITEE ON INTERNAL REVENUE TAXATION

For the payment of the salaries and other expenses of the Joint
Committee on Internal Revenue Taxation, $295,000.
JOINT COMMITTEE ON IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY POLICY

For salaries and expenses of the Joint Committee on Immigration
and Nationality Policy, $20,000.
OFFICE OF THE COORDINATOR OF INFORMATION

For salaries and expenses of the Office of the Coordinator of
Information, $98,970.
-raLEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE

For telegraph and telephone service, exclusive of personal services,
$1,300,000.
STATIONERY (REVOLVING FUND)

For a stationery allowance for each Member, for the second session
of the Eighty-sixth Congress, $525,600, to remain available until
expended.
ATTENDING P H Y S I C I A N ' S OFFICE

For medical supplies, equipment, and contingent expenses of the
emergency room and for the attending physician- and his assistants,
including an allowance of $1,500 to be paid to the attending physician
in equal monthly installments as authorized by the Act approved
June 27, 1940 (54 Stat. 629), and including an allowance of $75 per
month each to five assistants as provided by the House resolutions
adopted July 1, 1930, January 20, 1932, November 18, 1940, and May
69
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PUBLIC LAW 86-424-APR. 13, 1960

STAT.]

49

TRAVEL A N D M I S C E L L A N E O U S E X P E N S E S

For an additional amount for &quot;Travel and miscellaneous expenses&quot;,
$250,000.
E X P E N S E S OF REFEREES

For an additional amount for &quot;Expenses of referees&quot;, $50,000, to be
derived from the referees' expense fund established in pursuance of the
Act of June 28, 1946, as amended (11 U.S.C. 68(c)(4)).
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
LEGAL ACTIVITIES AND GENERAL ADMINISTRATION
SALARIES AND EXPENSES, GENERAL ADMINISTRATION

For an additional amount for &quot;Salaries and expenses, general administration&quot;, $20,000.
SALARIES A N D E X P E N S E S, GENERAL LEGAL ACTIVITIES

For an additional amount for &quot;Salaries and expenses, general legal
activities&quot;, $190,000.
SALARIES A N D E X P E N S E S, UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS A N D M A R S H A L S

For an additional amount for &quot;Salaries and expenses, United States
attorneys and marshals&quot;, $200,000.
F E E S A N D E X P E N S E S OF W I T N E S S E S

For an additional amount for &quot;Fees and expenses of witnesses&quot;,
$125,000.
IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE
SALARIES AND EXPENSES

For an additional amount for &quot;Salaries and expenses&quot;, $300,000.
DEPARTMENT OF LABOE
LABOR-MANAGEMENT REPORTING AND DISCLOSURE ACTIVITIES
SALARIES AND EXPENSES

For an additional amount for &quot;Salaries and expenses&quot;, $1,025,000.
LEGISLATIVE BEANCH
SENATE

For payment to Emma Langer Schaeffer, Lydia Langer Irwin,
Mary Langer Gokey and Cornelia Langer Noland, daughters of
William Langer, late a Senator from the State of North Dakota,
$22,500.
For payment to H. Maurine Neuberger, widow of Eichard L. Neuberger, late a Senator from the State of Oregon, $22,500.
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PUBLIC LAW 93-492-OCT. 27, 1974

[88 STAT.

&quot;(3) The term 'occupant restraint system' means a system the
principal purpose of which is to assure that occupants of a motor
vehicle remain in their seats in the event of a collision or rollover.
Such term does not include a warning device designed to indicate
that seat belts are not in use.
&quot;(4) The term 'continuous buzzer' means a buzzer other than a
buzzer which operates only during the 8 second period after the
ignition is turned to the 'start' or 'on' position.&quot;
SEC. 110. TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.
15 USC 1391.

15 USC 1408.
15 USC 1424,

is u s e 1409
note.

(a) DEFINITION OF SECRETARY.—Section 102(10) of the National

Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966 is amended to read as
follows:
&quot;(10) 'Secretary' means the Secretary of Transportation.&quot;
(b) DATE OF ANNUAL REPORT.—The first sentence of section 120(a)
of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 1966 is
amended by striking out &quot;March 1&quot; and inserting in lieu thereof
&quot;July 1&quot;.
^Q^ REGROOVED TIRES.—Section 204(a) of such Act is amended to
read as follows:
&quot; (a) No person shall sell, offer for sale, or introduction for sale, or
deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, any tire or motor
vehicle equipped with any tire which has been regrooved, except that
the Secretary may by order permit the sale, offer for sale, introduction
for sale, or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce, of
regrooved tires and motor vehicles equipped with regrooved tires
which he finds are designed and constructed in a manner consistent
with the purposes of this Act.&quot;
SEC. 111. EFFECTIVE DATE.
The amendments made by this title (other than section 109) shall
take effect on the sixtieth day after the date of enactment of this Act;
except that section 108(a)(4)(D) of the National Traffic and Motor
Vehicle Safety Act of 1966 (as added by section 1 0 3 (a)(1)(A) of
this Act) shall take effect on the date of enactment of this Act.

TITLE II—SCHOOLBUS SAFETY
15 USC 1391.

15 USC 1392.

SEC. 201. DEFINITIONS.
Section 102 of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act of
iQQQ js amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
&quot;(14) 'schoolbus' means a passenger motor vehicle which is
designed to carry more than 10 passengers in addition to the
driver, and which the Secretary determines is likely to be significantly used for the purpose of transporting primary, preprimary,
or secondary school students to or from such schools or events
related to such schools; and
&quot;(15) 'schoolbus equipment' means equipment designed primarily as a system, part, or component of a schoolbus, or any
similar part or component manufactured or sold for replacement or improvement of such system, part, or component or as
an accessory or addition to a schoolbus.&quot;
SEC. 202. MANDATORY SCHOOLBUS STANDARDS.
Section 103 of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
Qf 1966 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following:
&quot;(i)(1)(A) Not later than 6 months after the date of enactment of
this subsection, the Secretary shall publish proposed Federal motor
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PUBLIC LAW 93-344-JULY 12, 1974
(c)

Debate, time

Conference re-

[88 STAT.

ACTION ON CONFERENCE REPORTS I N THE SENATE.—

(1) The conference report on any concurrent resolution on the
budget shall be in order iii the Senate at any time after the third
day (excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays) following the day on which such a conference report is reported and is
available to Members of the Senate. A motion to proceed to the
consideration of the conference report may be made even though a
previous motion to the same effect has been disagreed to.
^2) During the Consideration in the Senate of the conference
report on any concurrent resolution on the budget, debate shall be
limited to 10 hours, to be equally divided between, and controlled
by, the majority leader and minority leader or their designees.
Debate on any debatable motion or appeal related to the conference report shall be limited to 1 hour, to be equally divided
between, and controlled by, the mover and the manager of the
conference report.
(3) Should the conference report be defeated, debate on any
T'oquest for a new conference and the appointment of conferees
shall be limited to 1 hour, to be equally divided between, and
controlled by, the manager of the conference report and the
minority leader or his designee, and should any motion be made
to instruct the conferees before the conferees are named, debate
on such motion shall be limited to one-half hour, to be equally
divided between, and controlled by, the mover and the manager
of the conference report. Debate on any amendment to any such
instructions shall be limited to 20 minutes, to be equally divided
between and controlled by the mover and the manager of the conference report. In all cases when the manager of the conference
report is in favor of any motion, appeal, or amendment, the time
in opposition shall be under the control of the minority leader or
his designee.
(4) I n any case in which there are amendments in disagreement, time on each amendment shall be limited to 30 minutes, to
be equally divided between, and controlled by, the manager of the
conference report and the minority leader or his designee. No
amendment that is not germane to the provisions of such amendments shall be received.
((J) REQUIRED ACTION BY CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

If, a t the e n d of

congre&quot;s?^ a o - ^^^^ (cxcluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays) after the
conferees of both Houses have been appointed to a committee of conference on a concurrent resolution on the budget, the conferees are
unable to reach agreement with respect to all matters in disagreement
between the two Houses, then the conferees shall submit to their
r-esDective Houses, on the first day thereafter on which their House
is in session—
(1) a conference report recommending those matters on which
they have agreed and reporting in disagreement those matters on
which they have not agreed; or
(2) a conference report in disagreement, if the matter in disagreement is an amendment which strikes out the entire text of
the concurrent resolution and inserts a substitute text.
(e)

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION M U S T B E CONSISTENT I N THE S E N -

ATE.—It shall not be in order in the Senate to vote on the question of
agreeing to—
(i) a concurrent resolution on the budget unless the figures then
contained in such resolution are mathematically consistent; or
(2) a conference report on a concurrent resolution on the budget
unless the figures contained in such resolution, as recommended
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PUBLIC LAW 93-87-AUG. 13, 1973

[87 STAT.

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tile the final version of such statement on the basis of such comments and information, together with any other final determination which he is required by law to make in order to permit the
construction of such project to proceed. The determination of the
Secretary shall be conclusive with respect to all issues of fact.
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Ante. p. 265.

s^j..^,^ ^^ (a) Chapter 1 of title 23, United States Code, is amended
by adding to the end thereof the following new section:
* § 149. Truck lanes
&quot;The Secretary may approve as a project on any Federal-aid system the construction of exclusive or preferential truck lanes.&quot;
(b) The analysis of chapter 1 of title 23, United States Code, is
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y^Y-.v.. 143. The Secretary of Transportation shall report to (\)ngress
by flanuar-y 1, 1975, on the feasibility and necessity for constructing
to appropriate standards proposed highways along the followingroutes:
(1) A route from Brunswick, Geor-gia, or its vicinity, to Kansas
City, Missouri, or its vicinity, so aligned to serve the following
intermediate locations, or vicinities thereof: Columbus. Georgia;
Birmingham, Alabama; Tupelo, Mississippi; Memphis, Tennessee; Batesville or Jonesboro, Arkansas; and Springfield, Missouri.
(2) A route from Kansas City, Missouri, or its vicinity, to Chicago, Illinois, or its vicinity, so aligned as to cross the Mississippi
River at a point between Xauvoo, Illinois, on the north, and
Hannibal, Missouri, on the south.
(3) A route from Amarillo, Texas, or its vicinity to Las Cruces,
New Mexico, or its vicinity, so aligned as to serve the following
intermediate locations, or vicinities thereof: Hereford, Texas;
Clovis, New Mexico; Portales, Xew Mexico; Roswell, New
Mexico; Ruidoso, New Mexico; Tularosa, New Mexico; and
Alamogordo, New Mexico together with a branch route from
Alamogordo, New Mexico, or its vicinity, to El Paso, Texas, or its
vicinity, to connect with Interstate Route No. 10 and the port of
entry with Mexico.
(4) A route from the Port of Catoosa, Catoosa, Oklahoma, or
its vicinity, to Interstate Route No. 35 to Ponca City, Oklahoma,
or its vicinity.
(5) Extension of Interstate Highway 7() from Cove Fort, Utah,
or its vicinity, in a westerly direction, so aligned to serve the intermediate locations of Ely and Carson City, Nevada, or their
vicinities.
(6) A route from Kansas City. Missouri, or its vicinity, to
l^aton Rouge. Louisiana, or its vicinity, so aligned to ser-ve one or
both of the following intermediate locations or vicinities thereof:
Fayetteville, Fort Smith, and Texarkana, Arkansas; or Little
Rock, Arkansas, or- any other route through the State of Arkansas
determined feasible by such State and the Secretary.
(7) A route from Interstate Highway 380 from Waterloo. Iowa,
via Dubuque, Iowa, to Interstate Highway 90 at Rockford, Illinois; and an extension of Interstate Highway 74 from the Davenport, lowa-Moline, Illinois, area through DubiKjue. Iowa, to
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| [[Copyright Act, 1956 (United Kingdom)]] || 1956 c.74
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| [[Malaysia Act 1963]] || 1963 c.35
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| [[Singapore Act 1966]] || 1966 c.29
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| [[Freedom of Information Act 2000]] || 2000 c.36
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==1952 (1 &amp; 2 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
*[[Colonial Loans Act 1952]] c. 1
*[[Civil Contingencies Fund Act 1952]] c. 2
*[[Public Works Loans Act 1952]] c. 3 (Repeal of Sec. 1-5 by [[Public Works Loans Act 1964]], Section 6 by [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]
*[[New Valuation Lists (Postponement) Act 1952]] c. 4
*[[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1952]] c.5

==1953 (1 &amp; 2 Eliz. II) ==
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1953]] c. 6
* [[Law Reform (Personal Injuries) (Amendment) Act 1953]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1953]] c. 8
* [[Royal Titles Act 1953]] c. 9
* [[Agricultural Land (Removal of Surface Soil) Act 1953]] c. 10
* [[Harbours, Piers and Ferries (Scotland) Act 1953]] c. 11
* [[Leasehold Property Act and Long Leases (Scotland) Act Extension Act 1953]] c. 12
* [[Transport Act 1953]] c. 13
* [[Prevention of Crime Act 1953]] c. 14
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1953]] c. 15
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1953]] c. 16
* [[White Fish and Herring Industries Act 1953]] c. 17
* [[Coastal Flooding (Emergency Provisions) Act 1953]] c. 18
* [[Pharmacy Act 1953]] c. 19
* [[Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953]] c. 20
* [[Road Transport Lighting Act 1953]] c. 21
* [[Road Transport Lighting (No. 2) Act 1953]] c. 22
* [[Accommodation Agencies Act 1953]] c. 23
* [[Navy and Marines (Wills) Act 1953]] c. 24
* [[Local Government Superannuation Act 1953]] c. 25
* [[Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1953]] c. 26
* [[Slaughter of Animals (Pigs) Act 1953]] c. 27
* [[Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953]] c. 28
* [[National Insurance Act 1953]] c. 29
* [[Rhodesia and Nyasaland Federation Act 1953]] c. 30
* [[Army and Air Force (Annual) Act 1953]] c. 31
* [[Therapeutic Substances (Prevention of Misuse) Act 1953]] c. 32
* [[Education (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1953]] c. 33
* [[Finance Act 1953]] c. 34
* [[Appropriation Act 1953]] c. 35
* [[Post Office Act 1953]] c. 36
* [[Registration Service Act 1953]] c. 37
* [[New Towns Act 1953]] c. 38
* [[Marshall Aid Commemoration Act 1953]] c. 39
* [[University of St. Andrews Act 1953]] c. 40
* [[Hospital Endowments (Scotland) Act 1953]] c. 41
* [[Valuation for Rating Act 1953]] c. 42
* [[National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1953]] c. 43
* [[Isle of Man (Customs) Act 1953]] c. 44
* [[Licensing Act 1953]] c. 46
* [[Emergency Laws (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1953]] c. 47
* [[Merchandise Marks Act 1953]] c. 48
* [[School Crossing Patrols Act 1953]] c. 45
* [[Historic Buildings and Ancient Monuments Act 1953]] c. 49
* [[Auxiliary Forces Act 1953]] c. 50
* [[Monopolies and Restrictive Practices Commission Act 1953]] c. 51
* [[Enemy Property Act 1953]] c. 52

==1953 (2 &amp; 3 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Air Corporations Act 1953]] c. 7
* [[Armed Forces (Housing Loans) Act 1953]] c. 3
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1953]] c. 2
* [[Electoral Registers Act 1953]] c. 8
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1953]] c. 9
* [[Post Office and Telegraph (Money) Act 1953]] c. 4
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1953]] c. 6
* [[Regency Act 1953]] c. 1
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1953]] c. 5

==1954 (2 &amp; 3 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1954]] c. 39
* [[Appropriation Act 1954]] c. 45
* [[Army and Air Force (Annual) Act 1954]] c. 35
* [[Atomic Energy Authority Act 1954]] c. 32
* [[Baking Industry (Hours of Work) Act 1954]] c. 57
* [[British Industries Fair (Guarantees and Grants) Act 1954]] c. 26
* [[Charitable Trusts (Validation) Act 1954]] c. 58
* [[Cinematograph Film Production (Special Loans) Act 1954]] c. 15
* [[Civil Defence (Armed Forces) Act 1954]] c. 66
* [[Civil Defence (Electricity Undertakings) Act 1954]] c. 19
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1954]] c. 22
* [[Coroners Act 1954]] c. 31
* [[Cotton Act 1954]] c. 24
* [[Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954]] c. 12
* [[Development of Inventions Act 1954]] c. 20
* [[Electricity Reorganisation (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 60
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1954]] c. 69
* [[Finance Act 1954]] c. 44
* [[Food and Drugs Amendment Act 1954]] c. 67
* [[Gas and Electricity (Borrowing Powers) Act 1954]] c. 52
* [[Hill Farming Act 1954]] c. 23
* [[Hire-Purchase Act 1954]] c. 51
* [[Housing Repairs and Rents Act 1954]] c. 53
* [[Housing (Repairs and Rents) (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 50
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies (Amendment) Act 1954]] c. 43
* [[Industrial Diseases (Benefit) Act 1954]] c. 16
* [[Isle of Man (Customs) Act 1954]] c. 54
* [[Judges' Remuneration Act 1954]] c. 27
* [[Juries Act 1954]] c. 41
* [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1954]] c. 56
* [[Law Reform (Enforcement of Contracts) Act 1954]] c. 34
* [[Law Reform (Limitation of Actions, &amp;c.) Act 1954]] c. 36
* [[Licensing (Seamen's Canteens) Act 1954]] c. 11
* [[Local Government (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 13
* [[Long Leases (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 49
* [[Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Act 1954]] c. 47
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1954]] c. 18
* [[Mines and Quarries Act 1954]] c. 70
* [[National Gallery and Tate Gallery Act 1954]] c. 65
* [[National Museum of Antiquities of Scotland Act 1954]] c. 14
* [[Navy, Army and Air Force Reserves Act 1954]] c. 10
* [[Niall Macpherson Indemnity Act 1954]] c. 29
* [[Overseas Resources Development Act 1954]] c. 71
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1954]] c. 25
* [[Pests Act 1954]] c. 68
* [[Pharmacy Act 1954]] c. 61
* [[Pool Betting Act 1954]] c. 33
* [[Post Office Savings Bank Act 1954]] c. 62
* [[Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act 1954]] c. 40
* [[Protection of Animals (Anaesthetics) Act 1954]] c. 46
* [[Protection of Birds Act 1954]] c. 30
* [[Rights of Entry (Gas and Electricity Boards) Act 1954]] c. 21
* [[Royal Irish Constabulary (Widows' Pensions) Act 1954]] c. 17
* [[Slaughter of Animals (Amendment) Act 1954]] c. 59
* [[Slaughterhouses Act 1954]] c. 42
* [[Summary Jurisdiction (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 48
* [[Superannuation (President of Industrial Court) Act 1954]] c. 37
* [[Supreme Court Officers (Pensions) Act 1954]] c. 38
* [[Telegraph Act 1954]] c. 28
* [[Television Act 1954]] c. 55
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1954]] c. 72
* [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1954]] c. 73
* [[Transport Charges &amp;c. (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1954]] c. 64
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1954]] c. 63

==1954 (3 &amp; 4 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[National Insurance Act 1954]] c. 1
* [[Wireless Telegraphy (Validation of Charges) Act 1954]] c. 2

==1955 (3 &amp; 4 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Air Force Act 1955]] c. 19 
* [[Aliens' Employment Act 1955]]
* [[Appropriation Act 1955]] c. 16
* [[Army Act 1955]] c. 18 
* [[British Museum Act 1955]] c. 23
* [[Children and Young Persons (Harmful Publications) Act 1955]] c. 28
* [[Cocos Islands Act 1955]] c. 5
* [[Colonial Development and Welfare Act 1955]] c. 6
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1955]] c. 3
* [[Crofters (Scotland) Act 1955]] c. 21
* [[Finance Act 1955]] c. 15
* [[Fisheries Act 1955]] c. 7
* [[Imperial War Museum Act 1955]] c. 14
* [[Isle of Man (Customs) Act 1955]] c. 17
* [[National Insurance Act 1955]] c. 29
* [[National Service Act 1955]] c. 11
* [[New Towns Act 1955]] c. 4
* [[Northern Ireland Act 1955]] c. 8
* [[Oil in Navigable Waters Act 1955]] c. 25
* [[Pensions (India, Pakistan and Burma) Act 1955]] c. 22
* [[Public Libraries (Scotland) Act 1955]] c. 27
* [[Public Service Vehicles (Travel Concessions) Act 1955]] c. 26
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1955]] c. 9
* [[Requistioned Houses and Housing (Amendment) Act 1955]] c. 24
* [[Revision of the Army and Air Force Acts (Transitional Provisions) Act 1955]] c. 20
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Act 1955]] c. 13 
* [[Transport (Borrowing Powers) Act 1955]] c. 10
* [[Trustee Savings Banks (Pensions) Act 1955]] c. 12

==1955 (4 &amp; 5 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agriculture (Improvement of Roads) Act 1955]] c. 20
* [[Aliens' Employment Act 1955]] c. 18
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1955]] c. 3
* [[Austrian State Treaty Act 1955]] c. 1
* [[County Courts Act 1955]] c. 8
* [[Diplomatic Immunities Restriction Act 1955]] c. 21
* [[European Coal and Steel Community Act 1955]] c. 4
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1955]] c. 22
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1955]] c. 17
* [[Food and Drugs Act 1955]] c. 16
* [[Friendly Societies Act 1955]] c. 19
* [[German Conventions Act 1955]] c. 2
* [[International Finance Corporation Act 1955]] c. 5
* [[Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1955]] c. 6
* [[Post Office and Telegraph (Money) Act 1955]] c. 14
* [[Rating and Valuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1955]] c. 9 
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage (No. 2) Act 1955]] c. 15
* [[Sudan (Special Payments) Act 1955]] c. 11
* [[Validation of Elections Act 1955]] c. 10
* [[Validation of Elections (No. 2) Act 1955]] c. 12
* [[Validation of Elections (No. 3) Act 1955]] c. 13
* [[Wireless Telegraphy (Blind Persons) Act 1955]] c. 7

==1956 (4 &amp; 5 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1956]] c. 46
* [[Agricultural Mortgage Corporation Act 1956]] c. 38
* [[Agricultural Research Act 1956]] c. 28
* [[Agriculture (Safety, Health and Welfare Provisions) Act 1956]] c. 49
* [[Appropriation Act 1956]] c. 55
* [[British Caribbean Federation Act 1956]] c. 63
* [[Charles Beattie Indemnity Act 1956]] c. 27
* [[Children and Young Persons Act 1956]] c. 24
* [[Clean Air Act 1956]] c. 52
* [[Coal Industry Act 1956]] c. 61
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1956]] c. 32
* [[Copyright Act 1956]] c. 74
* [[Criminal Justice Administration Act 1956]] c. 34
* [[Crown Estate Act 1956]] c. 73
* [[Dentists Act 1956]] c. 29
* [[Department of Scientific and Industrial Research Act 1956]] c. 58
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 75
* [[Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1956]] c. 50
* [[Finance Act 1956]] c. 54
* [[Food and Drugs (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 30
* [[Governors' Pensions Act 1956]] c. 64
* [[Hill Farming Act 1956]] c. 72
* [[Hotel Proprietors Act 1956]] c. 62
* [[Housing Subsidies Act 1956]] c. 33
* [[Leeward Islands Act 1956]] c. 23
* [[Licensing (Airports) Act 1956]] c. 37
* [[Local Authorities (Expenses) Act 1956]] c. 36
* [[Local Government Elections Act 1956]] c. 43
* [[Local Government (Street Works) (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 40
* [[Magistrates' Courts (Appeals from Binding Over Orders) Act 1956]] c. 44
* [[Marriage (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 70
* [[Medical Act 1956]] c. 76
* [[National Insurance Act 1956]] c. 47
* [[Occasional Licences and Young Persons Act 1956]] c. 42
* [[Overseas Resources Development Act 1956]] c. 71
* [[Pakistan (Consequential Provision) Act 1956]] c. 31
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1956]] c. 39
* [[Police (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 26
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1956]] c. 65
* [[Restrictive Trade Practices Act 1956]] c. 68
* [[Road Traffic Act 1956]] c. 67
* [[Sanitary Inspectors (Change of Designation) Act 1956]] c. 66
* [[Sexual Offences Act 1956]] c. 69
* [[Slum Clearance (Compensation) Act 1956]] c. 57
* [[Small Lotteries and Gaming Act 1956]] c. 45
* [[Solicitors (Amendment) Act 1956]] c. 41
* [[Sugar Act 1956]] c. 48
* [[Teachers (Superannuation) Act 1956]] c. 53
* [[Therapeutic Substances Act 1956]] c. 25
* [[Transport (Disposal of Road Haulage Property) Act 1956]] c. 56
* [[Underground Works (London) Act 1956]] c. 59
* [[Validation of Elections (Northern Ireland) Act 1956]] c. 35
* [[Valuation and Rating (Scotland) Act 1956]] c. 60
* [[Workmen's Compensation and Benefit (Supplementation) Act 1956]] c. 51

==1956 (5 &amp; 6 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Agriculture (Silo Subsidies) Act 1956]] c. 5
* [[Air Corporations Act 1956]] c. 3
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1956]] c. 4
* [[Hydrocarbon Oil Duties (Temporary Increase) Act 1956]] c. 2
* [[Police, Fire and Probation Officers Remuneration Act2 1956]] c. 1

==1957 (5 &amp; 6 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Advertisements (Hire-Purchase) Act 1957]] c. 41
* [[Affiliation Proceedings Act 1957]] c. 55
* [[Agriculture Act 1957]] c. 57
* [[Appropriation Act 1957]] c. 63
* [[Army (Conditions of Enlistment) Act 1957]] c. 50
* [[Cheques Act 1957]] c. 36
* [[Church of Scotland (Property and Endowments) Amendment Act 1957]] c. 30
* [[Cinematograph Films Act 1957]] c. 21
* [[Coal-Mining (Subsidence) Act 1957]] c. 59
* [[Commonwealth Settlement Act 1957]] c. 8
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1957]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1957]] c. 10
* [[Customs Duties (Dumping and Subsidies) Act 1957]] c. 18
* [[Dentists Act 1957]] c. 28
* [[Electricity Act 1957]] c. 48
* [[Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1957]] c. 45
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1957]] c. 23
* [[Federation of Malaya Independence Act 1957]] c. 60
* [[Finance Act 1957]] c. 49
* [[Geneva Conventions Act 1957]] c. 52
* [[Ghana Independence Act 1957]] c. 6
* [[Governors' Pensions Act 1957]] c. 62
* [[Homicide Act 1957]] c. 11
* [[House of Commons Disqualification Act 1957]] c. 20
* [[House of Commons Members' Fund Act 1957]] c. 24
* [[Housing Act 1957]] c. 56
* [[Housing and Town Development (Scotland) Act 1957]] c. 38
* [[Judicial Offices (Salaries and and Pensions) Act 1957]] c. 46
* [[Legitimation (Re-registration of Birth) Act 1957]] c. 39
* [[Magistrates' Courts Act 1957]] c. 29
* [[Maintenance Agreements Act 1957]] c. 35
* [[Ministerial Salaries Act 1957]] c. 47
* [[National Health Service (Amendment) Act 1957]] c. 44
* [[National Health Service Contributions Act 1957]] c. 34
* [[National Insurance Act 1957]] c. 26
* [[Naval and Marine Reserves Pay Act 1957]] c. 32
* [[Naval Discipline Act 1957]] c. 53
* [[New Streets Act, 1951 (Amendment) Act 1957]] c. 33
* [[Northern Ireland (Compensation for Compulsory Purchase) Act 1957]] c. 14
* [[Nurses Act 1957]] c. 15
* [[Nurses Agencies Act 1957]] c. 16
* [[Occupiers' Liability Act 1957]] c. 31
* [[Parish Councils Act 1957]] c. 42
* [[Patents Act 1957]] c. 13
* [[Public Health Officers (Deputies) Act 1957]] c. 19
* [[Public Trustee (Fees) Act 1957]] c. 12
* [[Rating and Valuation Act 1957]] c. 17
* [[Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Special Provisions) Act 1957]] c. 58
* [[Rent Act 1957]] c. 25
* [[Representation of the People (Amendment) Act 1957]] c. 43
* [[Road Transport Lighting Act 1957]] c. 51
* [[Solicitors Act 1957]] c. 27
* [[Superannuation Act 1957]] c. 37
* [[Tanganyika Agricultural Corporation Act 1957]] c. 54
* [[Thermal Insulation (Industrial Buildings) Act 1957]] c. 40
* [[Transport (Railway Finances) Act 1957]] c. 9
* [[White Fish and Herring Industries Act 1957]] c. 22
* [[Winfrith Heath Act 1957]] c. 61

==1957 (6 &amp; 7 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1957]] c. 2
* [[National Insurance (No. 2) Act, 1957]] c. 1
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1957]] c. 4
* [[Yarmouth Naval Hospital Transfer Act 1957]] c. 3

==1958 (6 &amp; 7 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agriculture Act 1958]] c. 71
* [[Agricultural Marketing Act 1958]] c. 47
* [[Appropriation Act 1958]] c. 57
* [[British Nationality Act 1958]] c. 10
* [[Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands Act 1958]] c. 13
* [[Chequers Estate Act 1958]] c. 60
* [[Children Act 1958]] c. 65
* [[Christmas Island Act 1958]] c. 25
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1958]] c. 7
* [[Costs of Leases Act 1958]] c. 52
* [[Defence Contracts Act 1958]] c. 38
* [[Disabled Persons (Employment) Act 1958]] c. 33
* [[Distribution of Industry (Industrial Finance) Act 1958]] c. 41
* [[Divorce (Insanity and Desertion) Act 1958]] c. 54
* [[Drainage Rates Act 1958]] c. 37
* [[Dramatic and Musical Performers' Protection Act 1958]] c. 44
* [[Entertainments Duty Act 1958]] c. 9
* [[Finance Act 1958]] c. 56
* [[First Offenders Act 1958]] c. 31
* [[Horse Breeding Act 1958]] c. 43
* [[House of Commons (Redistribution of Seats) Act 1958]] c. 26
* [[Housing (Financial Provisions) Act 1958]] c. 42
* [[Import Duties Act 1958]] c. 6
* [[Industrial Assurance and Friendly Societies Act, 1948 (Amendment) Act 1958]] c. 27
* [[Insurance Companies Act 1958]] c. 72
* [[Interest on Damages (Scotland) Act 1958]] c. 61
* [[Isle of Man Act 1958]] c. 11
* [[Land Drainage (Scotland) Act 1958]] c. 24
* [[Land Powers (Defence) Act 1958]] c. 30
* [[Landlord and Tenant (Temporary Provisions) Act 1958]] c. 68
* [[Life Peerages Act 1958]] c. 21
* [[Litter Act 1958]] c. 34
* [[Local Government Act 1958]] c. 55
* [[Local Government and Miscellaneous Financial Provisions (Scotland) Act 1958]] c. 64
* [[Local Government (Omnibus Shelters and Queue Barriers) (Scotland) Act 1958]] c. 50
* [[Maintenance Orders Act 1958]] c. 39
* [[Marriage Acts Amendment Act 1958]] c. 29
* [[Matrimonial Causes (Property and Maintenance) Act 1958]] c. 35
* [[Matrimonial Proceedings (Children) Act 1958]] c. 40
* [[Medical Act, 1956 (Amendment) Act 1958]] c. 58
* [[Merchant Shipping (Liability of Shipowners and Others) Act 1958]] c. 62
* [[Metropolitan Police Act, 1839 (Amendment) Act 1958]] c. 48
* [[Milford Haven Conservancy Act 1958]] c. 23
* [[New Towns Act 1958]] c. 12
* [[Opencast Coal Act 1958]] c. 69
* [[Opticians Act 1958]] c. 32
* [[Overseas Resources Development Act 1958]] c. 15
* [[Overseas Service Act 1958]] c. 14
* [[Park Lane Improvement Act 1958]] c. 63
* [[Physical Training and Recreation Act 1958]] c. 36
* [[Post Office and Telegraph (Money) Act 1958]] c. 5
* [[Prevention of Fraud (Investments) Act 1958]] c. 45
* [[Public Records Act 1958]] c. 51
* [[Recreational Charities Act 1958]] c. 17
* [[Road Transport Lighting (Amendment) Act 1958]] c. 22
* [[Slaughterhouses Act 1958]] c. 70
* [[Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1958]] c. 28
* [[State of Singapore Act 1958]] c. 59
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1958]] c. 46
* [[Trading Representations (Disabled Persons) Act 1958]] c. 49
* [[Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1958]] c. 66
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1958]] c. 8
* [[Variation of Trusts Act 1958]] c. 53
* [[Water Act 1958]] c. 67

==1958 (7 &amp; 8 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Adoption Act 1958]] c. 5
* [[Agricultural Mortgage Corporation Act 1958]] c. 2
* [[Armed Forces (Housing Loans) Act 1958]] c. 1
* [[Development of Inventions Act 1958]] c. 3
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1958]] c. 4
* [[Manoeuvres Act 1958]] c. 7
* [[National Debt Act 1958]] c. 6
* [[Representation of the People (Amendment) Act 1958]] c. 9
* [[Slaughter of Animals Act 1958]] c. 8

==1959 (7 &amp; 8 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agricultural Improvement Grants Act 1959]] c. 31
* [[Agriculture (Small Farmers) Act 1959]] c. 12
* [[Appropriation Act 1959]] c. 59
* [[Building (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 24
* [[Chevening Estate Act 1959]] c. 49
* [[Colonial Development and Welfare Act 1959]] c. 71
* [[Colonial Development and Welfare (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 29
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1959]] c. 15
* [[Cotton Industry Act 1959]] c. 48
* [[County Courts Act 1959]] c. 22
* [[Criminal Justice Administration (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 41
* [[Deer (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 40
* [[Dog Licences Act 1959]] c. 55
* [[Education Act 1959]] c. 60
* [[Eisteddfod Act 1959]] c. 32
* [[Electricity (Borrowing Powers) Act 1959]] c. 20
* [[Emergency Laws (Repeal) Act 1959]] c. 19
* [[European Monetary Agreement Act 1959]] c. 11
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1959]] c. 63
* [[Factories Act 1959]] c. 67
* [[Fatal Accidents Act 1959]] c. 65
* [[Finance Act 1959]] c. 58
* [[Fire Services Act 1959]] c. 44
* [[Highways Act 1959]] c. 25
* [[House Purchase and Housing Act 1959]] c. 33
* [[Housing (Underground Rooms) Act 1959]] c. 34
* [[Income Tax (Repayment of Post-War Credits) Act 1959]] c. 28
* [[Intestate Husband's Estate (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 21
* [[Landlord and Tenant (Furniture and Fittings) Act 1959]] c. 64
* [[Legitimacy Act 1959]] c. 73
* [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 51
* [[Malta (Letters Patent) Act 1959]] c. 14
* [[Marriage (Secretaries of Synagogues) Act 1959]] c. 13
* [[Mental Health Act 1959]] c. 72
* [[Metropolitan Magistrates' Courts Act 1959]] c. 45
* [[National Assistance Act 1959]] c. 52
* [[National Assistance (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 30
* [[National Galleries of Scotland Act 1959]] c. 61
* [[National Insurance Act 1959]] c. 18
* [[National Insurance Act 1959]] c. 47
* [[Navy, Army and Air Force Reserves Act 1959]] c. 10
* [[New Towns Act 1959]] c. 62
* [[Nuclear Installations (Licensing and Insurance) Act 1959]] c. 46
* [[Obscene Publications Act 1959]] c. 66
* [[Overseas Resources Development Act 1959]] c. 23
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1959]] c. 50
* [[Police Federation Act 1959]] c. 38
* [[Post Office Works Act 1959]] c. 43
* [[Rating and Valuation Act 1959]] c. 36
* [[Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959]] c. 37
* [[Rights of Light Act 1959]] c. 56
* [[Sea Fisheries (Compensation) (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 27
* [[Small Lotteries and Gaming Act, 1956 (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 35
* [[Solicitors (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 42
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1959]] c. 68
* [[Street Offences Act 1959]] c. 57
* [[Supreme Court of Judicature (Amendment) Act 1959]] c. 39
* [[Terms and Conditions of Employment Act 1959]] c. 26
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1959]] c. 53
* [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 70
* [[Transport (Borrowing Powers) Act 1959]] c. 16
* [[Wages Councils Act 1959]] c. 69
* [[Weeds Act 1959]] c. 54

==1959 (8 &amp; 9 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Atomic Energy Authority Act 1959]] c. 5
* [[Commonwealth Scholarships Act 1959]] c. 6 
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1959]] c. 4
* [[Judicial Pensions Act 1959]] c. 9
* [[Lord High Commissioner (Church of Scotland) Act 1959]] c. 8
* [[Marshall Scholarships Act 1959]] c. 3
* [[Mr. Speaker Morrison's Retirement Act 1959]] c. 1
* [[Post Office and Telegraph (Money) Act 1959]] c. 2
* [[Sea Fish Industry Act 1959]] c. 7

==1960 (8 &amp; 9 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Abandonment of Animals Act 1960]] c. 43
* [[Administration of Justice Act 1960]] c. 65
* [[Adoption Act 1960]] c. 59
* [[Air Corporations Act 1960]] c. 13
* [[Appropriation Act 1960]] c. 45
* [[Betting and Gaming Act 1960]] c. 60
* [[Building Societies Act 1960]] c. 64
* [[Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960]] c. 62
* [[Charities Act 1960]] c. 58
* [[Cinematograph Films Act 1960]] c. 14
* [[Civil Aviation (Licensing) Act 1960]] c. 38
* [[Clean Rivers (Estuaries and Tidal Waters) Act 1960]] c. 54
* [[Coal Industry Act 1960]] c. 17
* [[Commonwealth Teachers Act 1960]] c. 40
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1960]] c. 10
* [[Corporate Bodies' Contracts Act 1960]] c. 46
* [[Cyprus Act 1960]] c. 52
* [[Distress for Rates Act 1960]] c. 12
* [[Dock Workers (Pensions) Act 1960]] c. 39
* [[European Free Trade Association Act 1960]] c. 19
* [[Films Act 1960]] c. 57
* [[Finance Act 1960]] c. 44
* [[First Offenders (Scotland) Act 1960]] c. 23
* [[Foreign Service Act 1960]] c. 11
* [[Game Laws (Amendment) Act 1960]] c. 36
* [[Gas Act 1960]] c. 27
* [[Ghana (Consequential Provision) Act 1960]] c. 41
* [[Highlands and Islands Shipping Services Act 1960]] c. 31
* [[Horticulture Act 1960]] c. 22
* [[House of Commons Members' Fund Act 1960]] c. 50
* [[Indecency with Children Act 1960]] c. 33
* [[International Development Association Act 1960]] c. 35
* [[Iron and Steel (Financial Provisions) Act 1960]] c. 26
* [[Legal Aid Act 1960]] c. 28
* [[Local Employment Act 1960]] c. 18
* [[Marriage (Enabling) Act 1960]] c. 29
* [[Matrimonial Proceedings (Magistrates' Courts) Act 1960]] c. 48
* [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1960]] c. 61
* [[Merchant Shipping (Minicoy Lighthouse) Act 1960]] c. 42
* [[Nigeria Independence Act 1960]] c. 55
* [[Noise Abatement Act 1960]] c. 68
* [[Occupiers' Liability (Scotland) Act 1960]] c. 30
* [[Offices Act 1960]] c. 47
* [[Oil Burners (Standards) Act 1960]] c. 53
* [[Pawnbrokers Act 1960]] c. 24
* [[Payment of Wages Act 1960]] c. 37
* [[Population (Statistics) Act 1960]] c. 32
* [[Professions Supplementary to Medicine Act 1960]] c. 66
* [[Public Bodies (Admission to Meetings) Act 1960]] c. 67
* [[Public Health Laboratory Service Act 1960]] c. 49
* [[Radioactive Substances Act 1960]] c. 34
* [[Requisitioned Houses Act 1960]] c. 20
* [[Road Traffic Act 1960]] c. 16
* [[Road Traffic (Amendment) Act 1960]] c. 51
* [[Road Traffic and Roads Improvement Act 1960]] c. 63
* [[Road Traffic (Driving of Motor Cycles) Act 1960]] c. 69
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1960]] c. 56
* [[Wages Arrestment Limitation (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1960]] c. 21
* [[War Damage (Clearance Payments) Act 1960]] c. 25
* [[Water Officers Compensation Act 1960]] c. 15

===Local Acts===

==1960 (9 &amp; 10 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Administration of Justice (Judges and Pensions) Act 1960]] c. 3
* [[British North America Acts#British North America Act, 1960|British North America Act 1960]] c. 2 ''(known in [[Canada]] as the Constitution Act, 1960)''
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1960]] c. 4
* [[Indus Basin Development Fund Act 1960]] c. 1
* [[Ministers of the Crown (Parliamentary Secretaries) Act 1960]] c. 6
* [[National Insurance Act 1960]] c. 5

===Local Acts===

==1961 (9 &amp; 10 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agricultural Research etc. (Pensions) Act 1961]] c. 9
* [[Appropriation Act 1961]] c. 59
* [[Army and Air Force Act 1961]] c. 52
* [[Barristers (Qualification for Office) Act 1961]] c. 44
* [[Betting Levy Act 1961]] c. 17
* [[Carriage by Air Act 1961]] c. 27
* [[Companies (Floating Charges) (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 46
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1961]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1961]] c. 12
* [[Consumer Protection Act 1961]] c. 40
* [[Court of Chancery of Lancaster (Amendment) Act 1961]] c. 38
* [[Covent Garden Market Act 1961]] c. 49
* [[Credit-Sale Agreements (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 56
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1961]] c. 39
* [[Crofters (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 58
* [[Crown Estate Act 1961]] c. 55
* [[Department of Technical Co-operation Act 1961]] c. 30
* [[Diplomatic Immunities (Conferences with Commonwealth Countries and Republic of Ireland) Act 1961]] c. 11
* [[Electricity (Amendment) Act 1961]] c. 8
* [[Factories Act 1961]] c. 34
* [[Finance Act 1961]] c. 36
* [[Flood Prevention (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 41
* [[Highways (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1961]] c. 63
* [[Home Safety Act 1961]] c. 20
* [[Housing Act 1961]] c. 65
* [[Human Tissue Act 1961]] c. 54
* [[Hyde Park (Underground Parking) Act 1961]] c. 26
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1961]] c. 28
* [[Land Compensation Act 1961]] c. 33
* [[Land Drainage Act 1961]] c. 48
* [[Licensing Act 1961]] c. 61
* [[Local Authorities (Expenditure on Special Purposes) (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 32
* [[Mock Auctions Act 1961]] c. 47
* [[National Health Service Act 1961]] c. 19
* [[National Health Service Contributions Act 1961]] c. 13
* [[North Atlantic Shipping Act 1961]] c. 53
* [[Nurses (Amendment) Act 1961]] c. 14
* [[Oaths Act 1961]] c. 21
* [[Overseas Service Act 1961]] c. 10
* [[Patents and Designs (Renewals, Extensions and Fees) Act 1961]] c. 25
* [[Police Federation Act 1961]] c. 51
* [[Police Pensions Act 1961]] c. 35
* [[Post Office Act 1961]] c. 15
* [[Printer's Imprint Act 1961]] c. 31
* [[Private Street Works Act 1961]] c. 24
* [[Public Authorities (Allowances) Act 1961]] c. 43
* [[Public Health Act 1961]] c. 64
* [[Rating and Valuation Act 1961]] c. 45
* [[Republic of South Africa (Temporary Provisions) Act 1961]] c. 23
* [[Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1961]] c. 22
* [[Rivers (Prevention of Pollution) Act 1961]] c. 50
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Act 1961]] c. 29
* [[Sheriffs' Pensions (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 42
* [[Sierra Leone Independence Act 1961]] c. 16
* [[Small Estates (Representation) Act 1961]] c. 37
* [[Suicide Act 1961]] c. 60
* [[Trustee Investments Act 1961]] c. 62
* [[Trusts (Scotland) Act 1961]] c. 57
* [[White Fish and Herring Industries Act 1961]] c. 18

===Local Acts===

==1961 (10 &amp; 11 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Coal Industry Act 1961]] c. 5
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1961]] c. 4
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1961]] c. 3
* [[Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1961]] c. 6
* [[Southern Rhodesia (Constitution) Act 1961]] c. 2
* [[Tanganyika Independence Act 1961]] c. 1

===Local Acts===

==1962 (10 &amp; 11 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Acts of Parliament Numbering and Citation Act 1962]] c. 34
* [[Agricultural and Forestry Associations Act 1962]] c. 29
* [[Air Guns and Shot Guns, etc., Act 1962]] c. 49
* [[Animals (Cruel Poisons) Act 1962]] c. 26
* [[Appropriation Act 1962]] c. 45
* [[Army Reserve Act 1962]] c. 10
* [[British Museum Act 1962]] c. 18
* [[Building Societies Act 1962]] c. 37
* [[Carriage by Air (Supplementary Provisions) Act 1962]] c. 43
* [[Civil Aviation (Eurocontrol) Act 1962]] c. 8
* [[Coal Consumers' Councils (Northern Irish Interests) Act 1962]] c. 22
* [[Colonial Loans Act 1962]] c. 41
* [[Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1962]] c. 21
* [[Commonwealth Settlement Act 1962]] c. 17
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1962]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1962]] c. 11
* [[Criminal Justice Administration Act 1962]] c. 15
* [[Drainage Rates Act 1962]] c. 39
* [[Education Act 1962]] c. 12
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 47
* [[Finance Act 1962]] c. 44
* [[Forth and Clyde Canal (Extinguishment of Rights of Navigation) Act 1962]] c. 16
* [[Health Visiting and Social Work (Training) Act 1962]] c. 33
* [[House of Commons Members' Fund Act 1962]] c. 53
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 28
* [[International Monetary Fund Act 1962]] c. 20
* [[Jamaica Independence Act 1962]] c. 40
* [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1962]] c. 50
* [[Law Reform (Damages and Solatium) (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 42
* [[Law Reform (Husband and Wife) Act 1962]] c. 48
* [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 51
* [[Local Authorities (Historic Buildings) Act 1962]] c. 36
* [[Local Government (Financial Provisions etc.) (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 9
* [[Local Government (Records) Act 1962]] c. 56
* [[Lotteries and Gaming Act 1962]] c. 55
* [[Marriage (Wales and Monmouthshire) Act 1962]] c. 32
* [[National Assistance Act 1948 (Amendment) Act 1962]] c. 24
* [[Northern Ireland Act 1962]] c. 30
* [[Penalties for Drunkenness Act 1962]] c. 52
* [[Pipe-lines Act 1962]] c. 58
* [[Police Federations Act 1962]] c. 25
* [[Recorded Delivery Service Act 1962]] c. 27
* [[Road Traffic Act 1962]] c. 59
* [[Sea Fish Industry Act 1962]] c. 31
* [[Shops (Airports) Act 1962]] c. 35
* [[South Africa Act 1962]] c. 23
* [[Telegraph Act 1962]] c. 14
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1962]] c. 38
* [[Transport Act 1962]] c. 46
* [[Trinidad and Tobago Independence Act 1962]] c. 54
* [[Uganda Independence Act 1962]] c. 57
* [[Vehicles (Excise) Act 1962]] c. 13
* [[West Indies Act 1962]] c. 19

===Local Acts===

==1962 (11 &amp; 12 Eliz. II)==

===Public General Acts===
* [[Air Corporations Act 1962]] c. 5
* [[Coal Industry Act 1962]] c. 6
* [[Electricity (Borrowing Powers) (Scotland) Act 1962]] c. 7
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1962]] c. 3
* [[Foreign Compensation Act 1962]] c. 4
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1962]] c. 2
* [[Tanganyika Republic Act 1962]] c. 1

===Local Acts===

==1963==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1963]] c. 11
* [[Animal Boarding Establishments Act 1963]] c. 43
* [[Appropriation Act 1963]] c. 26
* [[Bahama Islands (Constitution) Act 1963]] c. 56
* [[Betting Duties Act 1963]] c. 3
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries Act 1963]] c. 2
* [[British Museum Act 1963]] c. 24
* [[Children and Young Persons Act 1963]] c. 37
* [[Commonwealth Development Act 1963]] c. 40
* [[Commonwealth Scholarships (Amendment) Act 1963]] c. 6
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1963]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1963]] c. 8
* [[Contracts of Employment Act 1963]] c. 49
* [[Corn Rents Act 1963]] c. 14
* [[County Courts (Jurisdiction) Act 1963]] c. 5
* [[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 39
* [[Deer Act 1963]] c. 36
* [[Dog Racing (Betting Days) Act 1963]] c. 42
* [[Drainage Rates Act 1963]] c. 10
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 21
* [[Electricity and Gas Act 1963]] c. 59
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1963]] c. 58
* [[Finance Act 1963]] c. 25
* [[Forestry (Sale of Land) (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 23
* [[Fort William Pulp and Paper Mills Act 1963]] c. 15
* [[Kenya Independence Act 1963]] c. 54
* [[Land Compensation (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 51
* [[Limitation Act 1963]] c. 47
* [[Local Authorities (Land) Act 1963]] c. 29
* [[Local Employment Act 1963]] c. 19
* [[Local Government (Financial Provisions) Act 1963]] c. 46
* [[Local Government (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 12
* [[London Government Act 1963]] c. 33
* [[Malaysia Act 1963]] c. 35
* [[Matrimonial Causes Act 1963]] c. 45
* [[National Insurance Act 1963]] c. 7
* [[Nigeria Republic Act 1963]] c. 57
* [[Nursing Homes Act 1963]] c. 13
* [[Oaths and Evidence (Overseas Authorities and Countries) Act 1963]] c. 27
* [[Offices, Shops and Railway Premises Act 1963]] c. 41
* [[Oil in Navigable Waters Act 1963]] c. 28
* [[Peerage Act 1963]] c. 48
* [[Performers' Protection Act 1963]] c. 53
* [[Protection of Depositors Act 1963]] c. 16
* [[Public Lavatories (Turnstiles) Act]] c. 32
* [[Public Order Act 1963]] c. 52
* [[Purchase Tax Act 1963]] c. 9
* [[Remuneration of Teachers Act 1963]] c. 20
* [[Rhodesia and Nyasaland Act 1963]] c. 34
* [[Sheriff Courts (Civil Jurisdiction and Procedure) (Scotland) Act 1963]] c. 22
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1963]] c. 30
* [[Stock Transfer Act 1963]] c. 18
* [[Television Act 1963]] c. 50
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1963]] c. 17
* [[Towyn Trewan Common Act 1963]] c. 4
* [[Water Resources Act 1963]] c. 38
* [[Weights and Measures Act 1963]] c. 31
* [[Wills Act 1963]] c. 44
* [[Zanzibar Act 1963]] c. 55

===Local Acts===

==Personal Acts==

* [[Lucas Estate]] ''c. 1''

==1964==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1964]] c. 42
* [[Adoption Act 1964]] c. 57
* [[Agriculture and Horticulture Act 1964]] c. 28
* [[Air Corporations Act 1964]] c. 2
* [[Animals (Restriction of Importation) Act 1964]] c. 61
* [[Appropriation Act 1964]] c. 62
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries Act 1964]] c. 78
* [[British Nationality Act 1964]] c. 22
* [[British Nationality (No. 2) Act 1964]] c. 54
* [[British North America Act 1964]] c. 73 ''(known in [[Canada]] as the Constitution Act, 1964)''
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1964]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1964]] c. 17
* [[Continental Shelf Act 1964]] c. 29
* [[Criminal Appeal Act 1964]] c. 43
* [[Criminal Procedure (Insanity) Act 1964]] c. 84
* [[Criminal Procedure (Right of Reply) Act 1964]] c. 34
* [[Dangerous Drugs Act 1964]] c. 36
* [[Defence (Transfer of Functions) Act 1964]] c. 15
* [[Diplomatic Privileges Act 1964]] c. 81
* [[Divorce (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 91
* [[Drugs (Prevention of Misuse) Act 1964]] c. 64
* [[Education Act 1964]] c. 82
* [[Elections (Welsh Forms) Act 1964]] c. 31
* [[Emergency Laws (Re-enactments and Repeals) Act 1964]] c. 60
* [[Emergency Powers Act 1964]] c. 38
* [[Episcopal Church (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 12
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1964]] c. 94
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1964]] c. 6
* [[Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1964]] c. 10
* [[Films Act 1964]] c. 52
* [[Finance Act 1964]] c. 49
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1964]] c. 92
* [[Fireworks Act 1964]] c. 23
* [[Fishery Limits Act 1964]] c. 72
* [[Gambia Independence Act 1964]] c. 93
* [[Hairdressers (Registration) Act 1964]] c. 89
* [[Harbours Act 1964]] c. 40
* [[Hire-Purchase Act 1964]] c. 53
* [[Housing Act 1964]] c. 56
* [[Income Tax Management Act 1964]] c. 37
* [[Industrial Training Act 1964]] c. 16
* [[International Development Association Act 1964]] c. 13
* [[International Headquarters and Defence Organisations Act 1964]] c. 5
* [[John F. Kennedy Memorial Act 1964]] c. 85
* [[Law of Property (Joint Tenants) Act 1964]] c. 63
* [[Legal Aid Act 1964]] c. 30
* [[Licensing Act 1964]] c. 26
* [[Local Government (Development and Finance) (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 67
* [[Local Government (Pecuniary Interests) Act 1964]] c. 77
* [[Malawi Independence Act 1964]] c. 46
* [[Malicious Damage Act 1964]] c. 76
* [[Malta Independence Act 1964]] c. 86
* [[Married Women's Property Act 1964]] c. 19
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1964]] c. 47
* [[Ministers of the Crown Act 1964]] c. 98
* [[National Health Service (Hospital Boards) Act 1964]] c. 32
* [[National Insurance &amp;c. Act 1964]] c. 96
* [[Navy, Army and Air Force Reserves Act 1964]] c. 11
* [[New Forest Act 1964]] c. 83
* [[New Towns Act 1964]] c. 8
* [[New Towns (No. 2) Act 1964]] c. 68
* [[Nurses Act 1964]] c. 44
* [[Obscene Publications Act 1964]] c. 74
* [[Perpetuities and Accumulations Act 1964]] c. 55
* [[Pharmacy and Poisons (Amendment) Act 1964]] c. 35
* [[Plant Varieties and Seeds Act 1964]] c. 14
* [[Police Act 1964]] c. 48
* [[Post Office (Borrowing Powers) Act 1964]] c. 3
* [[Protection from Eviction Act 1964]] c. 97
* [[Protection of Animals (Anaesthetics) Act 1964]] c. 39
* [[Protection of Birds Act 1954 (Amendment) Act 1964]] c. 59
* [[Public Libraries and Museums Act 1964]] c. 75
* [[Public Works Loan Act 1964]] c. 9
* [[Rating (Interim Relief) Act 1964]] c. 18
* [[Refreshment Houses Act 1964]] c. 88
* [[Resale Prices Act 1964]] c. 58
* [[Riding Establishments Act 1964]] c. 70
* [[Road Traffic Act 1964]] c. 45
* [[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1923 (Amendment) Act 1964]] c. 27
* [[Scrap Metal Dealers Act 1964]] c. 69
* [[Shipbuilding Credit Act 1964]] c. 7
* [[Shipping Contracts and Commercial Documents Act 1964]] c. 87
* [[Spray Irrigation (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 90
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1964]] c. 79
* [[Statute Law Revision (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 80
* [[Succession (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 41
* [[Television Act 1964]] c. 21
* [[Tenancy of Shops (Scotland) Act 1964]] c. 50
* [[Trade Union (Amalgamations, etc.) Act 1964]] c. 24
* [[Trading Stamps Act 1964]] c. 71
* [[Travel Concessions Act 1964]] c. 95
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1964]] c. 4
* [[Uganda Act 1964]] c. 20
* [[Universities and College Estates Act 1964]] c. 51
* [[War Damage Act 1964]] c. 25
* [[Young Persons (Employment) Act 1964]] c. 66
* [[Zambia Independence Act 1964]] c. 65

===Local Acts===

==1965==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Estates (Small Payments) Act 1965]] c. 32
* [[Administration of Justice Act 1965]] c. 2
* [[Airports Authority Act 1965]] c. 16
* [[Appropriation Act 1965]] c. 23
* [[Armed Forces (Housing Loans) Act 1965]] c. 9
* [[Backing of Warrants (Republic of Ireland) Act 1965]] c. 45
* [[British Nationality Act 1965]] c. 34
* [[Carriage of Goods by Road Act 1965]] c. 37
* [[Cereals Marketing Act 1965]] c. 14
* [[Coal Industry Act 1965]] c. 82
* [[Commons Registration Act 1965]] c. 64
* [[Compulsory Purchase Act 1965]] c. 56
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1965]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1965]] c. 8
* [[Control of Office and Industrial Development Act 1965]] c. 33
* [[Criminal Evidence Act 1965]] c. 20
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1965]] c. 26
* [[Criminal Procedure (Attendance of Witnesses) Act 1965]] c. 69
* [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 39
* [[Dangerous Drugs Act 1965]] c. 15
* [[Development of Inventions Act 1965]] c. 21
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 7
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1965]] c. 77
* [[Family Allowances Act 1965]] c. 53
* [[Finance Act 1965]] c. 25
* [[Firearms Act 1965]] c. 44
* [[Gas Act 1965]] c. 36
* [[Gas (Borrowing Powers) Act 1965]] c. 60
* [[Highlands and Islands Development (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 46
* [[Highways (Amendment) Act 1965]] c. 30
* [[Hire-Purchase Act 1965]] c. 66
* [[Hire-Purchase (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 67
* [[Honourable Lady Hylton Foster's Annuity Act 1965]] c. 70
* [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 40
* [[Housing (Slum Clearance Compensation) Act 1965]] c. 81
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965]] c. 12
* [[International Monetary Fund Act 1965]] c. 65
* [[Judges' Remuneration Act 1965]] c. 61
* [[Justices of the Peace Act 1965]] c. 28
* [[Kenya Republic Act 1965]] c. 5
* [[Law Commissions Act 1965]] c. 22
* [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1947 (Amendment) Act 1965]] c. 41
* [[Lost Property (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 27
* [[Matrimonial Causes Act 1965]] c. 72
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1965]] c. 47
* [[Ministerial Salaries and Members' Pensions Act 1965]] c. 11
* [[Ministerial Salaries Consolidation Act 1965]] c. 58
* [[Monopolies and Mergers Act 1965]] c. 50
* [[Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965]] c. 71
* [[Museum of London|Museum of London Act 1965]] c. 17
* [[National Health Service Contributions Act 1965]] c. 54
* [[National Insurance Act 1965]] c. 51
* [[National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1965]] c. 52
* [[New Towns Act 1965]] c. 59
* [[Nuclear Installations Act 1965]] c. 57
* [[Nuclear Installations (Amendment) Act 1965]] c. 6
* [[Overseas Development and Service Act 1965]] c. 38
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1965]] c. 78
* [[Public Health (Notification of Births) Act 1965]] c. 42
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1965]] c. 63
* [[Race Relations Act 1965]] c. 73
* [[Redundancy Payments Act 1965]] c. 62
* [[Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 49
* [[Remuneration of Teachers Act 1965]] c. 3
* [[Rent Act 1965]] c. 75
* [[Rivers (Prevention of Pollution) (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 13
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Act 1965]] c. 80
* [[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1965]] c. 68
* [[Science and Technology Act 1965]] c. 4
* [[Severn Bridge Tolls Act 1965]] c. 24
* [[Shops (Early Closing Days) Act 1965]] c. 35
* [[Solicitors Act 1965]] c. 31
* [[Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 29
* [[Southern Rhodesia Act 1965]] c. 76
* [[Statute Law Revision (Consequential Repeals) Act 1965]] c. 55
* [[Statutory Orders (Special Procedure) Act 1965]] c. 43
* [[Superannuation Act 1965]] c. 74
* [[Superannuation (Amendment) Act 1965]] c. 10
* [[Teachers' Superannuation Act 1965]] c. 83
* [[Teaching Council (Scotland) Act 1965]] c. 19
* [[Trade Disputes Act 1965]] c. 48
* [[War Damage Act 1965]] c. 18
* [[Workmen's Compensation and Benefit (Amendment) Act 1965]] c. 79

===Local Acts===

==1966==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Air Corporations Act 1966]] c. 11
* [[Appropriation Act 1966]] c. 3
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1966]] c. 26
* [[Arbitration (International Investment Disputes) Act 1966]] c. 41
* [[Armed Forces Act 1966]] c. 45
* [[Barbados Independence Act 1966]] c. 37
* [[Botswana Independence Act 1966]] c. 23
* [[Building Control Act 1966]] c. 27
* [[Bus Fuel Grants Act 1966]] c. 46
* [[Church of England Convocations Act 1966]] c. 2
* [[Commonwealth Secretariat Act 1966]] c. 10
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1966]] c. 1
* [[Criminal Appeal Act 1966]] c. 31
* [[Docks and Harbours Act 1966]] c. 28
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1966]] c. 40
* [[Family Provision Act 1966]] c. 35
* [[Films Act 1966]] c. 48
* [[Finance Act 1966]] c. 18
* [[Guyana Independence Act 1966]] c. 14
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 49
* [[Industrial Development Act 1966]] c. 34
* [[Industrial Reorganisation Corporation Act 1966]] c. 50
* [[Land Registration Act 1966]] c. 39
* [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions)(Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 19
* [[Lesotho Independence Act 1966]] c. 24
* [[Local Government Act 1966]] c. 42
* [[Local Government (Pecuniary Interests) (Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 7
* [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 51
* [[Malawi Republic Act 1966]] c. 22
* [[Military Aircraft (Loans) Act 1966]] c. 15
* [[Mines (Working Facilities and Support) Act 1966]] c. 4
* [[Ministry of Social Security Act 1966]] c. 20
* [[National Coal Board (Additional Powers) Act 1966]] c. 47
* [[National Health Service Act 1966]] c. 8
* [[National Insurance Act 1966]] c. 6
* [[New Towns Act 1966]] c. 44
* [[Overseas Aid Act 1966]] c. 21
* [[Police (Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 52
* [[Post Office Savings Bank Act 1966]] c. 12
* [[Post Office (Subway) Act 1966]] c. 25
* [[Prices and Incomes Act 1966]] c. 33
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1966]] c. 16
* [[Rating Act 1966]] c. 9
* [[Reserve Forces Act 1966]] c. 30
* [[Sea Fisheries Regulation Act 1966]] c. 38
* [[Selective Employment Payments Act 1966]] c. 32
* [[Singapore Act 1966]] c. 29
* [[Statute Law Revision Act 1966]] c. 5
* [[Transport Finances Act 1966]] c. 17
* [[Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1966]] c. 43
* [[Universities (Scotland) Act 1966]] c. 13
* [[Veterinary Surgeons Act 1966]] c. 36

===Local Acts===

==1967==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Abortion Act 1967]] c. 87
* [[Aden, Perim and Kuria Muria Islands Act 1967]] c. 71
* [[Advertisements (Hire-Purchase) Act 1967]] c. 42
* [[Agriculture Act 1967]] c. 22
* [[Air Corporations Act 1967]] c. 33
* [[Anchors and Chain Cables Act 1967]] c. 64
* [[Antarctic Treaty Act 1967]] c. 65
* [[Appropriation Act 1967]] c. 59
* [[Bermuda Constitution Act 1967]] c. 63
* [[Civic Amenities Act 1967]] c. 69
* [[Coal Industry Act 1967]] c. 91
* [[Commonwealth Settlement Act 1967]] c. 31
* [[Companies Act 1967]] c. 81
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1967]] c. 2
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1967]] c. 6
* [[Control of Liquid Fuel Act 1967]] c. 57
* [[Countryside (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 86
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1967]] c. 80
* [[Criminal Law Act 1967]] c. 58
* [[Dangerous Drugs Act 1967]] c. 82
* [[Decimal Currency Act 1967]] c. 47
* [[Deer (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 37
* [[Development of Inventions Act 1967]] c. 32
* [[Education Act 1967]] c. 3
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1967]] c. 89
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1967]] c. 11
* [[Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1967]] c. 90
* [[Farm and Garden Chemicals Act 1967]] c. 50
* [[Finance Act 1967]] c. 54
* [[Fishing Vessel Grants Act 1967]] c. 35
* [[Forestry Act 1967]] c. 10
* [[Fugitive Offenders Act 1967]] c. 68
* [[General Rate Act 1967]] c. 9
* [[Greenwich Hospital Act 1967]] c. 74
* [[Housing (Financial Provisions, &amp;c.) (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 20
* [[Housing Subsidies Act 1967]] c. 29
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1967]] c. 48
* [[Industrial Injuries and Diseases (Old Cases) Act 1967]] c. 34
* [[Irish Sailors and Soldiers Land Trust Act 1967]] c. 67
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1967]] c. 17
* [[Land Commission Act 1967]] c. 1 
* [[Leasehold Reform Act 1967]] c. 88
* [[Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 43
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1967]] c. 51
* [[Licensing (Certificates in Suspense) (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 14
* [[Llangollen International Musical Eisteddfod Act 1967]] c. 49
* [[Local Government (Termination of Reviews) Act 1967]] c. 18
* [[London Government Act 1967]] c. 5
* [[Marine Broadcasting Offences Act|Marine, &amp;c., Broadcasting (Offences) Act 1967]] c. 41
* [[Matrimonial Causes Act 1967]] c. 56
* [[Matrimonial Homes Act 1967]] c. 75
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1967]] c. 26
* [[Merchant Shipping (Load Lines) Act 1967]] c. 27
* [[Misrepresentation Act 1967]] c. 7
* [[National Health Service (Family Planning) Act 1967]] c. 39
* [[National Insurance Act 1967]] c. 73
* [[National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) (Amendment) Act 1967]] c. 25
* [[Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967]] c. 13
* [[Plant Health Act 1967]] c. 8
* [[Police (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 77
* [[Post Office (Borrowing Powers) Act 1967]] c. 15
* [[Post Office (Data Processing Service) Act 1967]] c. 62
* [[Prices and Incomes Act 1967]] c. 53
* [[Private Places of Entertainment (Licensing) Act 1967]] c. 19
* [[Protection of Birds Act 1967]] c. 46
* [[Public Records Act 1967]] c. 44
* [[Public Works Loans Act 1967]] c. 61
* [[Refreshment Houses Act 1967]] c. 38
* [[Remuneration of Teachers (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 36
* [[Road Safety Act 1967]] c. 30
* [[Road Traffic Act 1967]] c. 21
* [[Road Traffic (Amendment) Act 1967]] c. 70
* [[Road Traffic (Driving Instruction) Act 1967]] c. 79
* [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967]] c. 76
* [[Road Transport Lighting Act 1967]] c. 55
* [[Royal Assent Act 1967]] c. 23
* [[Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1967]] c. 84
* [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967]] c. 83
* [[Sexual Offences Act 1967]] c. 60
* [[Shipbuilding Industry Act 1967]] c. 40
* [[Slaughter of Poultry Act 1967]] c. 24
* [[Superannuation (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1967]] c. 28
* [[Teachers of Nursing Act 1967]] c. 16
* [[Teachers' Superannuation Act 1967]] c. 12
* [[Tokyo Convention Act 1967]] c. 52
* [[Uniform Laws on International Sales Act 1967]] c. 45
* [[Vessels Protection Act 1967]] c. 85
* [[Water (Scotland) Act 1967]] c. 78
* [[Welsh Language Act 1967]] c. 66
* [[West Indies Act 1967]] c. 4
* [[Wireless Telegraphy Act 1967]] c. 72

===Local Acts===

==1968==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1968]] c. 5
* [[Adoption Act 1968]] c. 53
* [[Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1968]] c. 34
* [[Air Corporations Act 1968]] c. 30
* [[Appropriation Act 1968]] c. 43
* [[British Standard Time Act 1968]] c. 45
* [[Capital Allowances Act 1968]] c. 3
* [[Caravan Sites Act 1968]] c. 52
* [[Civil Aviation Act 1968]] c. 61
* [[Civil Evidence Act 1968]] c. 64
* [[Clean Air Act 1968]] c. 62
* [[Commonwealth Immigration Act 1968]] c. 9
* [[Commonwealth Telecommunications Act 1968]] c. 24
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1968]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1968]] c. 15
* [[Consular Relations Act 1968]] c. 18
* [[Countryside Act 1968]] c. 41
* [[Courts-Martial (Appeals) Act 1968]] c. 20
* [[Criminal Appeal Act 1968]] c. 19
* [[Criminal Appeal (Northern Ireland) Act 1968]] c. 21
* [[Customs Duties (Dumping and Subsidies) Amendment Act 1968]] c. 33
* [[Customs (Import Deposits) Act 1968]] c. 74
* [[Design Copyright Act 1968]] c. 68
* [[Domestic and Appellate Proceedings (Restriction of Publicity) Act 1968]] c. 63
* [[Education Act 1968]] c. 17
* [[Education (No. 2) Act 1968]] c. 37
* [[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 1968]] c. 4
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1968]] c. 76
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1968]] c. 26
* [[Family Allowances and National Insurance Act 1968]] c. 40
* [[Finance Act 1968]] c. 44
* [[Firearms Act 1968]] c. 27
* [[Friendly and Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1968]] c. 55
* [[Gaming Act 1968]] c. 65
* [[Gas and Electricity Act 1968]] c. 39
* [[Health Services and Public Health Act 1968]] c. 46
* [[Hearing Aid Council Act 1968]] c. 50
* [[Highlands and Islands Development (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 51
* [[Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 31
* [[Hovercraft Act 1968]] c. 59
* [[Industrial Expansion Act 1968]] c. 32
* [[International Monetary Fund Act 1968]] c. 58
* [[International Organisations Act 1968]] c. 48
* [[Justices of the Peace Act 1968]] c. 69
* [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 70
* [[Legitimation (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 22
* [[Local Authorities' Mutual Investment Trust Act 1968]] c. 25
* [[London Cab Act 1968]] c. 7
* [[Maintenance Orders Act 1968]] c. 36
* [[Mauritius Independence Act 1968]] c. 8
* [[Medicines Act 1968]] c. 67
* [[Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1968]] c. 75
* [[National Loans Act 1968]] c. 13
* [[New Towns (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 16
* [[Overseas Aid Act 1968]] c. 57
* [[Prices and Incomes Act 1968]] c. 42
* [[Provisional Collection of Taxes Act 1968]] c. 2
* [[Public Expenditure and Receipts Act 1968]] c. 14
* [[Race Relations Act 1968]] c. 71
* [[Rent Act 1968]] c. 23
* [[Restrictive Trade Practices Act 1968]] c. 66
* [[Revenue Act 1968]] c. 11
* [[Sale of Venison (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 38
* [[Sea Fisheries Act 1968]] c. 77
* [[Sewerage (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 47
* [[Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 49
* [[Swaziland Independence Act 1968]] c. 56
* [[Teachers Superannuation (Scotland) Act 1968]] c. 12
* [[Theatres Act 1968]] c. 54
* [[Theft Act 1968]] c. 60
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1968]] c. 72
* [[Trade Descriptions Act 1968]] c. 29
* [[Transport Act 1968]] c. 73
* [[Transport Holding Company Act 1968]] c. 10
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1968]] c. 6
* [[Water Resources Act 1968]] c. 35
* [[Wills Act 1968]] c. 28

===Local Acts===

==1969==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1969]] c. 58
* [[Age of Majority (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 39
* [[Agriculture (Spring Traps) (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 26
* [[Air Corporations Act 1969]] c. 43
* [[Appropriation Act 1969]] c. 31
* [[Architects Registration (Amendment) Act 1969]] c. 42
* [[Army Reserve Act 1969]] c. 23
* [[Auctions (Bidding Agreements) Act 1969]] c. 56
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1969]] c. 17
* [[Children and Young Persons Act 1969]] c. 54
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1969]] c. 3
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1969]] c. 9
* [[Customs Duties (Dumping and Subsidies) Act 1969]] c. 16
* [[Customs (Import Deposits) Act 1969]] c. 64
* [[Decimal Currency Act 1969]] c. 19
* [[Development of Tourism Act 1969]] c. 51
* [[Divorce Reform Act 1969]] c. 55
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 49
* [[Electricity (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 1
* [[Employer's Liability (Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969]] c. 57
* [[Employer's Liability (Defective Equipment) Act 1969]] c. 37
* [[Expiring Laws Act 1969]] c. 61
* [[Family Law Reform Act 1969]] c. 46
* [[Finance Act 1969]] c. 32
* [[Foreign Compensation Act 1969]] c. 20
* [[Genocide Act 1969]] c. 12
* [[Horserace Betting Levy Act 1969]] c. 14
* [[Housing Act 1969]] c. 33
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 34
* [[Immigration Appeals Act 1969]] c. 21
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1969]] c. 45
* [[Late Night Refreshment Houses Act 1969]] c. 53
* [[Law of Property Act 1969]] c. 59
* [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 13
* [[Local Government Grants (Social Need) Act 1969]] c. 2
* [[Medical Act 1969]] c. 40
* [[Mines and Quarries (Tips) Act 1969]] c. 10
* [[National Insurance Act 1969]] c. 44
* [[National Insurance &amp;c. Act 1969]] c. 4
* [[National Mod (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 41
* [[National Theatre Act 1969]] c. 11
* [[New Towns Act 1969]] c. 5
* [[Nuclear Installations Act 1965]] c. 18
* [[Nurses Act 1969]] c. 47
* [[Overseas Resources Development Act 1969]] c. 36
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1969]] c. 7
* [[Police Act 1969]] c. 63
* [[Ponies Act 1969]] c. 28
* [[Post Office Act 1969]] c. 48
* [[Public Health (Recurring Nuisances) Act 1969]] c. 25
* [[Redundancy Rebates Act 1969]] c. 8
* [[Redundant Churches and other Religious Buildings Act 1969]] c. 22
* [[Rent (Control of Increases) Act 1969]] c. 62
* [[Representation of the People Act 1969]] c. 15
* [[Sharing of Church Buildings Act 1969]] c. 38
* [[Shipbuilding Industry Act 1969]] c. 6
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1969]] c. 52
* [[Tanzania Act 1969]] c. 29
* [[Tattooing of Minors Act 1969]] c. 24
* [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1969]] c. 30
* [[Transport (London) Act 1969]] c. 35
* [[Transport (London) Amendment Act 1969]] c. 60
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1969]] c. 50
* [[Ulster Defence Regiment Act 1969]] c. 65
* [[Vehicle and Driving Licences Act 1969]] c. 27

==1970==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1970]] c. 31
* [[Agriculture Act 1970]] c. 40
* [[Appropriation Act 1970]] c. 25
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1970]] c. 48
* [[Building (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 38
* [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970]] c. 44
* [[Conservation of Seals Act 1970]] c. 30
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1970]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1970]] c. 12
* [[Contingencies Fund Act 1970]] c. 56
* [[Conveyancing and Feudal Reform (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 35
* [[Education (Handicapped Children) Act 1970]] c. 52
* [[Education (School Milk) Act 1970]] c. 14
* [[Equal Pay Act 1970]] c. 41
* [[Expiring Laws Continuance Act 1970]] c. 58
* [[Export Guarantees and Payments Act 1970]] c. 15
* [[Family Income Supplements Act 1970]] c. 55
* [[Fiji Independence Act 1970]] c. 50
* [[Films Act 1970]] c. 26
* [[Finance Act 1970]] c. 24
* [[Fishing Vessels (Safety Provisions) Act 1970]] c. 27
* [[Food and Drugs (Milk) Act 1970]] c. 3
* [[Game Act 1970]] c. 13
* [[General Rate Act 1970]] c. 19
* [[Guyana Republic Act 1970]] c. 18
* [[Harbours (Amendment) Act 1970]] c. 53
* [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 5
* [[Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1970]] c. 10
* [[Income and Corporation Taxes (No. 2) Act 1970]] c. 54
* [[Indecent Advertisements (Amendment) Act 1970]] c. 47
* [[Industrial Development (Ships) Act 1970]] c. 2
* [[Insolvency Services (Accounting and Investment) Act 1970]] c. 8
* [[International Monetary Fund Act 1970]] c. 49
* [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1970]] c. 33
* [[Local Authorities (Goods and Services) Act 1970]] c. 39
* [[Local Authority Social Services Act 1970]] c. 42
* [[Local Employment Act 1970]] c. 7
* [[Local Government (Footpaths and Open Spaces) (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 28
* [[Marriage (Registrar General's Licence) Act 1970]] c. 34
* [[Matrimonial Proceedings and Property Act 1970]] c. 45
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1970]] c. 36
* [[National Health Service Contributions Act 1970]] c. 16
* [[National Insurance (Old persons' and widows' pensions and attendance allowance) Act 1970]] c. 51
* [[New Forest Act 1970]] c. 21
* [[Parish Councils and Burials Authorities (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1970]] c. 29
* [[Proceedings Against Estates Act 1970]] c. 17
* [[Radiological Protection Act 1970]] c. 46
* [[Republic of The Gambia Act 1970]] c. 37
* [[Riding Establishments Act 1970]] c. 32
* [[Road Traffic (Disqualification) Act 1970]] c. 23
* [[Roads (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 20
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 6
* [[Sea Fish Industry Act 1970]] c. 11
* [[Taxes Management Act 1970]] c. 9
* [[Tonga Act 1970]] c. 22
* [[Town and Country Planning Regulations (London) (Indemnity) Act 1970]] c. 57
* [[Trees Act 1970]] c. 43
* [[Valuation for Rating (Scotland) Act 1970]] c. 4

===Local Acts===

* [[Aberdeen Corporation Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. lvi
* [[Aberdeen Extension Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxi
* [[Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Act 1970]] c. v
* [[Bank of Scotland Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxiv
* [[Barclays Bank D.C.O. Act 1970]] c. xvi
* [[Barclays Bank Trust Company Act 1970]] c. xxxix
* [[Barry Corporation Act 1970]] c. kxvii
* [[Basingstoke Corporation Act 1970]] c. iv
* [[Birmingham Corporation Act 1970]] c. xxii
* [[Blackburn Corporation Act 1970]] c. xlii
* [[Bolton Corporation Act 1970]] c. xi
* [[Bootle Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxxx
* [[Bridge Street Baptist Church, Banbury Act 1970]] c. lxxxi
* [[Brighton Corporation Act 1970]] c. xl
* [[British Railways Act 1970]] c. lxxv
* [[British Transport Docks Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xix
* [[City of London (Various Powers) Act 1970]] c. lxix
* [[Coatbridge Burgh Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xx
* [[Cumberland County Council Act 1970]] c. xlv
* [[Doncaster Corporation Act 1970]] c. viii
* [[Dundee Corporation Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. lix
* [[East Suffolk County Council Act 1970]] c. lxxii
* [[Edinburgh Corporation Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. lx
* [[Fife County Council Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxv
* [[Flintshire County Council Act 1970]] c. xviii
* [[Forth Ports Authority Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxii
* [[Gateshead Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxviii
* [[Glasgow Corporation Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. i
* [[Glasgow Corporation (Works &amp;c.) Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. lvii
* [[Gloucester Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxx
* [[Gloucestershire County Council Act 1970]] c. xlvi
* [[Gosport Corporation Act 1970]] c. xxiii
* [[Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1970]] c. lxxvi
* [[Greater London Council (Money) Act 1970]] c. 
* [[Grimsby Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxxxii
* [[Hambros Bank Act 1970]] c. xxvi
* [[Hampshire County Council Act 1970]] c. xii
* [[Havering Corporation Act 1970]] c. xiii
* [[Hooker Estates Limited (Transfer of Registration) Act 1970]] c. xxviii
* [[Huddersfield Corporation Act 1970]] c. x
* [[Huntingdon and Peterborough County Council Act 1970]] c. xxiv
* [[Kent County Council Act 1970]] c. xliii
* [[Lake of Menteith Fisheries Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxviii
* [[Leicestershire County Council Act 1970]] c. xiv
* [[Lindsey County Council Act 1970]] c. lxiii
* [[Liverpool Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxxiii
* [[London County Council (Money) Act 1970]] c. lv
* [[Mallaig Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxiii
* [[Manchester Corporation Act 1970]] c. li
* [[Midlothian County Council Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxvi
* [[Monmouthshire County Council Act 1970]] c. lxxvii
* [[Newport (Monmouthshire) Corporation Act 1970]] c. ix
* [[North Riding County Council Act 1970]] c. xli
* [[Northampton Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxiv
* [[Northumberland County Council Act 1970]] c. l
* [[Norwich Corporation Act 1970]] c. xxvii
* [[Nottinghamshire County Council Act 1970]] c. lxi
* [[Oxfordshire County Council Act 1970]] c. lxxxiii
* [[Pembrokeshire Water Board Act 1970]] c. lxv
* [[Port of London Act 1970]] c. lxxviii
* [[Port of Tyne Act 1970]] c. lxvi
* [[Preston Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxii
* [[Reading Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxxxiv
* [[Regent, Royal and Carlton Terrace Gardens, Edinburgh Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. ii
* [[Royal Bank of Scotland Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. iii
* [[Salop County Council Act 1970]] c. xlvii
* [[Somerset County Council Act 1970]] c. xxi
* [[Southampton Corporation Act 1970]] c. xxx
* [[Southend-on-Sea Corporation Act 1970]] c. lxxiv
* [[Staffordshire County Council Act 1970]] c. xlix
* [[Stirling County Council Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. lviii
* [[Stoke-on-Trent Corporation Act 1970]] c. xxix
* [[Swansea Corporation Act 1970]] c. xv
* [[Tor Bay Harbour Act 1970]] c. liii
* [[Wiltshire County Council Act 1970]] c. lxxxv
* [[Wallasey Corporation Act 1970]] c. xvii
* [[Warwickshire County Council Act 1970]] c. vi
* [[Welland and Nene (Empingham Reservoir) and Mid-Northamptonshire Water Act 1970]] c. vii
* [[West End Baptist Church, Hammersmith Act 1970]] c. lxxi
* [[West Hertfordshire Main Drainage Act 1970]] c. liv
* [[West Lothian County Council Order Confirmation Act 1970]] c. xxxvii
* [[West Riding County Council Act 1970]] c. xxv
* [[West Sussex County Council Act 1970]] c. xlviii
* [[Western Valleys (Monmouthshire) Sewerage Board Act 1970]] c. lxxix
* [[Whitehaven Harbour Act 1970]] c. lii
* [[Williams &amp; Glyn's Bank Act 1970]] c. xiv

==1971==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Estates Act 1971]] c. 25
* [[Air Corporations Act 1971]] c. 5
* [[Anguilla Act 1971]] c. 63
* [[Animals Act 1971]] c. 22
* [[Appropriation Act 1971]] c. 67
* [[Armed Forces Act 1971]] c. 33
* [[Atomic Energy Authority Act 1971]] c. 11
* [[Attachment of Earnings Act 1971]] c. 32
* [[Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971]] c. 80
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1971]] c. 26
* [[Carriage of Goods by Sea Act 1971]] c. 19
* [[Civil Aviation Act 1971]] c. 75
* [[Civil Aviation (Declaratory Provisions) Act 1971]] c. 6
* [[Coal Industry Act 1971]] c. 16
* [[Coinage Act 1971]] c. 24
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1971]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1971]] c. 14
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1971]] c. 79
* [[Consumer Protection Act 1971]] c. 15
* [[Copyright (Amendment) Act 1971]] c. 4
* [[Courts Act 1971]] c. 23
* [[Criminal Damage Act 1971]] c. 48
* [[Dangerous Litter Act 1971]] c. 35
* [[Diplomatic and other Privileges Act 1971]] c. 64
* [[Education (Milk) Act 1971]] c. 74
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 42
* [[Finance Act 1971]] c. 68
* [[Fire Precautions Act 1971]] c. 40
* [[Friendly Societies Act 1971]] c. 66
* [[Guardianship of Minors Act 1971]] c. 3
* [[Highways Act 1971]] c. 41
* [[Hijacking Act 1971]] c. 70
* [[Hospital Endowments (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 8
* [[Housing Act 1971]] c. 76
* [[Hydrocarbon Oil (Customs &amp; Excise) Act 1971]] c. 12
* [[Immigration Act 1971]] c. 77
* [[Industrial Relations Act 1971]] c. 72
* [[Industry Act 1971]] c. 17
* [[Interest on Damages (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 31
* [[Investment and Building Grants Act 1971]] c. 51
* [[Land Commission (Dissolution) Act 1971]] c. 18
* [[Land Registration and Land Charges Act 1971]] c. 54
* [[Law Reform (Jurisdiction in Delict) (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 55
* [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1971]] c. 43
* [[Licensing (Abolition of State Management) Act 1971]] c. 65
* [[Local Authorities (Qualification of Members) Act 1971]] c. 7
* [[Medicines Act 1971]] c. 69
* [[Merchant Shipping (Oil Pollution) Act 1971]] c. 59
* [[Mineral Workings Act 1971]] c. 71
* [[Mineral Workings (Offshore Installations) Act 1971]] c. 61
* [[Mines Management Act 1971]] c. 20
* [[Misuse of Drugs Act 1971]] c. 38
* [[Motor Vehicles (Passenger Insurance) Act 1971]] c. 36
* [[Mr. Speaker King's Retirement Act 1971]] c. 13
* [[National Insurance Act 1971]] c. 50
* [[National Savings Bank Act 1971]] c. 10
* [[National Savings Bank Act 1971]] c. 29
* [[New Towns Act 1971]] c. 81
* [[Nullity of Marriage Act 1971]] c. 44
* [[Oil in Navigable Waters Act 1971]] c. 21
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1971]] c. 56
* [[Pool Competitions Act 1971]] c. 57
* [[Powers of Attorney Act 1971]] c. 27
* [[Prevention of Oil Pollution Act 1971]] c. 60
* [[Rating Act 1971]] c. 39
* [[Recognition of Divorces and Legal Separations Act 1971]] c. 53
* [[Redemption of Standard Securities (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 45
* [[Rent (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 28
* [[Rolls-Royce (Purchase) Act 1971]] c. 9
* [[Rural Water Supplies and Sewerage Act 1971]] c. 49
* [[Sheriff Courts (Scotland) Act 1971]] c. 58
* [[Shipbuilding Industry Act 1971]] c. 46
* [[Social Security Act 1971]] c. 73
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1971]] c. 52
* [[Teaching Council (Scotland) Act]] c. 2
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1971]] c. 78
* [[Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1971]] c. 62
* [[Unsolicited Goods and Services Act 1971]] c. 30
* [[Vehicles (Excise) Act 1971]] c. 10
* [[Water Resources Act 1971]] c. 34
* [[Welsh National Opera Company Act 1971]] c. 37
* [[Wild Creatures and Forest Laws Act 1971]] c. 47

==1972==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 59
* [[Affiliation Proceedings (Amendment) Act 1972]] c. 49
* [[Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1972]] c. 62
* [[Airports Authority Act 1972]] c. 8
* [[Appropriation Act 1972]] c. 56
* [[Betting and Gaming Duties Act 1972]] c. 25
* [[British Library|British Library Act 1972]] c. 54
* [[Carriage by Railway Act 1972]] c. 33
* [[Children Act 1972]] c. 44
* [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 51
* [[Civil Evidence Act 1972]] c. 30
* [[Civil List Act 1972]] c. 7
* [[Companies (Floating Charges and Receivers) (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 67
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1972]] c. 13
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1972]] c. 23
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1972]] c. 78
* [[Contracts of Employment Act 1972]] c. 53
* [[Counter-Inflation (Temporary Provisions) Act 1972]] c. 74
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1972]] c. 71
* [[Defective Premises Act 1972]] c. 35
* [[Deposit of Poisonous Waste Act 1972]] c. 21
* [[Electricity Act 1972]] c. 17
* [[Employment Medical Advisory Service Act 1972]] c. 26
* [[European Communities Act 1972 (UK)|European Communities Act 1972]] c. 68
* [[Field Monuments Act 1972]] c. 43
* [[Finance Act 1972]] c. 41
* [[Gas Act 1972]] c. 60
* [[Harbours Development (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 64
* [[Harbours (Loans) Act 1972]] c. 16
* [[Harbours, Piers and Ferries (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 29
* [[Horserace Totalisator and Betting Levy Boards Act 1972]] c. 69
* [[Housing Finance Act 1972]] c. 47
* [[Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 46
* [[Industry Act 1972]] c. 63
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1972]] c. 12
* [[Island of Rockall Act 1972]] c. 2
* [[Land Charges Act 1972]] c. 61
* [[Legal Advice and Assistance Act 1972]] c. 50
* [[Local Employment Act 1972]] c. 5
* [[Local Government Act 1972]] c. 70
* [[Maintenance Orders (Reciprocal Enforcement) Act 1972]] c. 18
* [[Matrimonial Proceedings (Polygamous Marriages) Act 1972]] c. 38
* [[Mineral Exploration and Investment Grants Act 1972]] c. 9
* [[Ministerial and other Salaries Act 1972]] c. 3
* [[Museums and Galleries Admission Charges Act 1972]] c. 73
* [[National Debt Act 1972]] c. 65
* [[National Health Service (Family Planning) Amendment Act 1972]] c. 72
* [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 58
* [[National Insurance Act 1972]] c. 57
* [[National Insurance (Amendment) Act 1972]] c. 36
* [[National Insurance Regulations (Validation) Act 1972]] c. 4
* [[Northern Ireland Act 1972]] c. 10
* [[Northern Ireland (Border Poll) Act 1972]] c. 77
* [[Northern Ireland (Financial Provisions) Act 1972]] c. 76
* [[Northern Ireland (Temporary Provisions) Act 1972]] c. 22
* [[Overseas Investment and Export Guarantees Act 1972]] c. 40
* [[Parliamentary and other Pensions Act 1972]] c. 48
* [[Pensioners and Family Income Supplement Payments Act 1972]] c. 75
* [[Pensioners' Payments and National Insurance Contributions Act 1972]] c. 80
* [[Performers' Protection Act 1972]] c. 32
* [[Poisons Act 1972]] c. 66
* [[Police Act 1972]] c. 39
* [[Post Office (Borrowing) Act 1972]] c. 79
* [[Road Traffic Act 1972]] c. 20
* [[Road Traffic (Foreign Vehicles) Act 1972]] c. 27
* [[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1972]] c. 37
* [[Sierra Leone Republic Act 1972]] c. 1
* [[Social Work (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 24
* [[Sound Broadcasting Act 1972]] c. 31
* [[Sri Lanka Republic Act 1972]] c. 55
* [[Summer Time Act 1972]] c. 6
* [[Sunday Cinema Act 1972]] c. 19
* [[Sunday Theatre Act 1972]] c. 26
* [[Superannuation Act 1972]] c. 11
* [[Road Traffic Act 1972]] c. 20
* [[Town and Country Planning (Amendment) Act 1972]] c. 42
* [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1972]] c. 52
* [[Trade Descriptions Act 1972]] c. 34
* [[Trading Representations (Disabled Persons) Amendment Act 1972]] c. 45
* [[Transport (Grants) Act 1972]] c. 15
* [[Transport Holding Company Act 1972]] c. 14

===Local Acts===
* [[United Reformed Church Act 1972]] c. xviii
* [[Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1972]]

===Personal Acts===

* [[Wellington Estate Act 1972]] ''c. 1''

==1973==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1973]] c. 15
* [[Appropriation Act 1973]] c. 40
* [[Atomic Energy Authority (Weapons Group) Act 1973]] c. 4
* [[Badgers Act 1973]] c. 57
* [[Bahamas Independence Act 1973]] c. 27
* [[Bangladesh Act 1973]] c. 49
* [[Breeding of Dogs Act 1973]] c. 60
* [[Channel Tunnel (Initial Finance) Act 1973]] c. 66
* [[Coal Industry Act 1973]] c. 8
* [[Concorde Aircraft Act 1973]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1973]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1973]] c. 10
* [[Costs in Criminal Cases Act 1973]] c. 14
* [[Counter-Inflation Act 1973]] c. 9
* [[Dentists (Amendment) Act 1973]] c. 31
* [[Domicile and Matrimonial Proceedings Act 1973]] c. 45
* [[Education Act 1973]] c. 16
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 59
* [[Education (Work Experience) Act 1973]] c. 23
* [[Employment Agencies Act 1973]] c. 35
* [[Employment and Training Act 1973]] c. 50
* [[Employment of Children Act 1973]] c. 24
* [[Fair Trading Act 1973]] c. 41
* [[Finance Act 1973]] c. 51
* [[Fire Precautions (Loans) Act 1973]] c. 11
* [[Fuel and Electricity (Control) Act 1973]] c. 67
* [[Furnished Lettings (Rent Allowances) Act 1973]] c. 6
* [[Gaming (Amendment) Act 1973]] c. 12
* [[Government Trading Funds Act 1973]] c. 63
* [[Guardianship Act 1973]] c. 29
* [[Hallmarking Act 1973]] c. 43
* [[Heavy Commercial Vehicles (Controls and Regulations) Act 1973]] c. 44
* [[Housing (Amendment) Act 1973]] c. 5
* [[Independent Broadcasting Authority Act 1973]] c. 19
* [[Insurance Companies Amendment Act 1973]] c. 58
* [[International Cocoa Agreement Act 1973]] c. 46
* [[International Sugar Organisation Act 1973]] c. 68
* [[Land Compensation Act 1973]] c. 26
* [[Land Compensation (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 56
* [[Law Reform (Diligence) (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 22
* [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 65
* [[London Cab Act 1973]] c. 20
* [[Maplin Development Act 1973]] c. 64
* [[Matrimonial Causes Act 1973]] c. 18
* [[National Health Service Reorganisation Act 1973]] c. 32
* [[National Insurance and Supplementary Benefit Act 1973]] c. 42
* [[National Theatre and Museum of London Act 1973]] c. 2
* [[Nature Conservancy Council Act 1973]] c. 54
* [[Northern Ireland Assembly Act 1973]] c. 17
* [[Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973]] c. 36
* [[Northern Ireland Constitution (Amendment) Act 1973]] c. 69
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1973]] c. 53
* [[Overseas Pensions Act 1973]] c. 21
* [[Pakistan Act 1973]] c. 48
* [[Pensioners' Payments and National Insurance Act 1973]] c. 61
* [[Powers of Criminal Courts Act 1973]] c. 62
* [[Prescription and Limitation (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 52
* [[Protection of Aircraft Act 1973]] c. 47
* [[Protection of Wrecks Act 1973]] c. 33
* [[Rate Rebate Act 1973]] c. 28
* [[Sea Fish Industry Act 1973]] c. 3
* [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1973]] c. 30
* [[Social Security Act 1973]] c. 38
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1973]] c. 39
* [[Statute Law Revision (Northern Ireland) Act 1973]] c. 55
* [[Succession (Scotland) Act 1973]] c. 25
* [[Supply of Goods (Implied Terms) Act 1973]] c. 13
* [[Ulster Defence Regiment Act 1973]] c. 34
* [[Water Act 1973]] c. 37

==1974==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Appropriation Act 1974]] c. 2
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1974]] c. 31
* [[Biological Weapons Act 1974]] c. 6
* [[Carriage of Passengers by Road Act 1974]] c. 35
* [[Charlwood and Horley Act 1974]] c. 11
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1974]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1974]] c. 12
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1974]] c. 15
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 4) Act 1974]] c. 57
* [[Consumer Credit Act 1974]] c. 39
* [[Contingencies Fund Act 1974]] c. 18
* [[Control of Pollution Act 1974]] c. 40
* [[Dumping at Sea Act 1974]] c. 20
* [[Education (Mentally Handicapped Children) (Scotland) Act 1974]] c. 27
* [[Finance Act 1974]] c. 30
* [[Friendly Societies Act 1974]] c. 46
* [[Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974]] c. 37
* [[Horticulture (Special Payments) Act 1974]] c. 5
* [[Housing Act 1974]] c. 44
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1974]] c. 45
* [[Independent Broadcasting Authority Act 1974]] c. 16
* [[Independent Broadcasting Authority (No. 2) Act 1974]] c. 42
* [[Insurance Companies Act 1974]] c. 49
* [[Juries Act 1974]] c. 23
* [[Land Tenure Reform (Scotland) Act 1974]] c. 38
* [[Legal Aid Act 1974]] c. 4
* [[Local Government Act 1974 (UK)]] c. 7
* [[Lord Chancellor (Tenure of Office and Discharge of Ecclesiastical Functions) Act 1974]] c. 25
* [[Lord High Commissioner (Church of Scotland) Act 1974]] c. 19
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1974]] c. 43
* [[Mines (Working Facilities and Support) Act 1974]] c. 36
* [[Ministers of the Crown Act 1974]] c. 21
* [[National Insurance Act 1974]] c. 14
* [[National Theatre Act 1974]] c. 55
* [[Northern Ireland Act 1974]] c. 28
* [[Northern Ireland (Young Persons) Act 1974]] c. 33
* [[Pakistan Act 1974]] c. 34
* [[Parks Regulation (Amendment) Act 1974]] c. 29
* [[Pensioners' Payments Act 1974]] c. 54
* [[Pensions (Increase) Act 1974]] c. 9
* [[Policing of Airports Act 1974]] c. 41
* [[Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1974]] c. 56
* [[Prices Act 1974]] c. 24
* [[Rabies Act 1974]] c. 17
* [[Railways Act 1974]] c. 48
* [[Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974]] c. 53
* [[Rent Act 1974]] c. 51
* [[Representation of the People Act 1974]] c. 10
* [[Representation of the People (No. 2) Act 1974]] c. 13
* [[Road Traffic Act 1974]] c. 50
* [[Slaughterhouses Act 1974]] c. 3
* [[Social Security Amendment Act 1974]] c. 58
* [[Solicitors Act 1974]] c. 47
* [[Solicitors (Amendment) Act 1974]] c. 26
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1974]] c. 22
* [[Statutory Corporations (Financial Provisions) Act 1974]] c. 8
* [[Town and Country Amenities Act 1974]] c. 32
* [[Trade Union and Labour Relations Act 1974]] c. 52

==1975==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Airports Authority Act 1975]] c. 78
* [[Air Travel Reserve Fund Act 1975]] c. 36
* [[Appropriation Act 1975]] c. 44
* [[Arbitration Act 1975]] c. 3
* [[Biological Standards Act 1975]] c. 4
* [[British Leyland Act 1975]] c. 43
* [[Child Benefit Act 1975]] c. 61
* [[Children Act 1975]] c. 72
* [[Cinematograph Films Act 1975]] c. 73
* [[Civil List Act 1975]] c. 82
* [[Coal Industry Act 1975]] c. 56
* [[Community Land Act 1975]] c. 77
* [[Conservation of Wild Creatures and Wild Plants Act 1975]] c. 48
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1975]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1975]] c. 12
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1975]] c. 79
* [[Criminal Jurisdiction Act 1975]] c. 59
* [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1975]] c. 21
* [[Diseases of Animals Act 1975]] c. 40
* [[District Courts (Scotland) Act 1975]] c. 20
* [[Education Act 1975]] c. 2
* [[Employment Protection Act 1975]] c. 71
* [[Evidence (Proceedings in other Jurisdictions) Act 1975]] c. 34
* [[Export Guarantees Act 1975]] c. 38
* [[Export Guarantees Amendment Act 1975]] c. 19
* [[Farriers (Registration) Act 1975]] c. 35
* [[Finance Act 1975]] c. 7
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1975]] c. 45
* [[General Rate Act 1975]] c. 5
* [[Guard Dogs Act 1975]] c. 50
* [[Hearing Aid Council (Extension) Act 1975]] c. 39
* [[House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975]] c. 24
* [[Housing Finance (Special Provisions) Act 1975]] c. 67
* [[Housing Rents and Subsidies Act 1975]] c. 6
* [[Housing Rents and Subsidies (Scotland) Act 1975]] c. 28
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1975]] c. 41
* [[Industrial Injuries and Diseases (Northern Ireland Old Cases) Act 1975]] c. 17
* [[Industrial Injuries and Diseases (Old Cases) Act 1975]] c. 16
* [[Industry Act 1975]] c. 68
* [[Inheritance (Provision for Family and Dependants) Act 1975]] c. 63
* [[International Road Haulage Permits Act 1975]] c. 46
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1975]] c. 64
* [[Limitation Act 1975]] c. 54
* [[Litigants in Person (Costs and Expenses) Act 1975]] c. 47
* [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1975]] c. 30
* [[Local Land Charges Act 1975]] c. 76
* [[Lotteries Act 1975]] c. 58
* [[Malta Republic Act 1975]] c. 31
* [[Mental Health (Amendment) Act 1975]] c. 29
* [[Ministerial and other Salaries Act 1975]] c. 27
* [[Ministers of the Crown Act 1975]] c. 26
* [[Mobile Homes Act 1975]] c. 49
* [[Moneylenders (Crown Agents) Act 1975]] c. 81
* [[New Towns Act 1975]] c. 42
* [[Northern Ireland Assembly Disqualification Act 1975]] c. 25
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) (Amendment) Act 1975]] c. 62
* [[Northern Ireland (Loans) Act 1975]] c. 83
* [[Nursing Homes Act 1975]] c. 37
* [[OECD Support Fund Act 1975]] c. 80
* [[Offshore Petroleum Development (Scotland) Act 1975]] c. 8
* [[Oil Taxation Act 1975]] c. 22
* [[Petroleum and Submarine Pine-lines Act 1975]] c. 74
* [[Policyholders Protection Act 1975]] c. 75
* [[Prices Act 1975]] c. 32
* [[Public Service Vehicles (Arrest of Offenders) Act 1975]] c. 53
* [[Recess Elections Act 1975]] c. 66
* [[Referendum Act 1975]] c. 33
* [[Remuneration, Charges and Grants Act 1975]] c. 57
* [[Reservoirs Act 1975]] c. 23
* [[Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975]] c. 52
* [[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries Act 1975]] c. 51
* [[Scottish Development Agency Act 1975]] c. 69
* [[Sex Discrimination Act 1975]] c. 65
* [[Social Security Act 1975]] c. 14
* [[Social Security Benefits Act 1975]] c. 11
* [[Social Security (Consequential Provisions) Act 1975]] c. 18
* [[Social Security (Northern Ireland) Act 1975]] c. 15
* [[Social Security Pensions Act 1975]] c. 60
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1975]] c. 10
* [[Statutory Corporations (Financial Provisions) Act 1975]] c. 55
* [[Supply Powers Act 1975]] c. 9
* [[Unsolicited Goods and Services (Amendment) Act 1975]] c. 13
* [[Welsh Development Agency Act 1975]] c. 70

===Personal Acts===

* [[James Hugh Maxwell (Naturalisation) Act 1975]] c. ''1''

==1976==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Adoption Act 1976]] c. 36
* [[Agriculture (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976]] c. 55
* [[Appropriation Act 1976]] c. 43
* [[Armed Forces Act 1976]] c. 52
* [[Atomic Energy Authority (Special Constables) Act 1976]] c. 23
* [[Armed Forces Act 1976]]
* [[Bail Act 1976]] c. 63
* [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 49
* [[Companies Act 1976]] c. 69
* [[Congenital Disabilities (Civil Liability) Act 1976]] c. 28
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1976]] c. 2
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1976]] c. 84
* [[Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 21
* [[Damages (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 13
* [[Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976]] c. 38
* [[Development of Rural Wales Act 1976]] c. 75
* [[Development Land Tax Act 1976]] c. 24
* [[Divorce (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 39
* [[Dock Work Regulation Act 1976]] c. 79
* [[Domestic Violence and Matrimonial Proceedings Act 1976]] c. 50
* [[Drought Act 1976]] c. 44
* [[Education Act 1976]] c. 81
* [[Education (School-leaving Dates) Act 1976]] c. 5
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 20
* [[Electricity (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 61
* [[Endangered Species (Import and Export) Act 1976]] c. 72
* [[Energy Act 1976]] c. 76
* [[Explosives (Age of Purchase &amp;c.) Act 1976]] c. 26
* [[Fair Employment (Northern Ireland) Act 1976]] c. 25
* [[Fatal Accidents Act 1976]] c. 30
* [[Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths Inquiry (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 14
* [[Finance Act 1976]] c. 40
* [[Fishery Limits Act 1976]] c. 86
* [[Food and Drugs (Control of Food Premises) Act 1976]] c. 37
* [[Freshwater and Salmon Fisheries (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 22
* [[Health Services Act 1976]] c. 83
* [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 11
* [[Industrial Common Ownership Act 1976]] c. 78
* [[Industry (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 73
* [[Insolvency Act 1976]] c. 60
* [[International Carriage of Perishable Foodstuffs Act 1976]] c. 58
* [[Iron and Steel (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 41
* [[Land Drainage Act 1976]] c. 70
* [[Land Drainage (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 17
* [[Legitimacy Act 1976]] c. 31
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 18
* [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 66
* [[Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976]] c. 57
* [[Lotteries and Amusements Act 1976]] c. 32
* [[Maplin Development Authority (Dissolution) Act 1976]] c. 51
* [[Motor-Cycle Crash-Helmets (Religious Exemption) Act 1976]] c. 62
* [[National Coal Board (Finance) Act 1976]] c. 1
* [[National Health Service (Vocational Training) Act 1976]]c. 59
* [[National Insurance Surcharge Act 1976]] c. 85
* [[New Towns (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 68
* [[Parliamentary and other Pensions and Salaries Act 1976]] c. 48
* [[People (Armed Forces) Act 1976]] c. 29
* [[Police Act 1976]] c. 46
* [[Police Pensions Act 1976]] c. 35
* [[Post Office (Banking Services) Act 1976]] c. 10
* [[Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1976]] c. 8
* [[Protection of Birds (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 42
* [[Race Relations Act 1976]] c. 74
* [[Rating (Caravan Sites) Act 1976]] c. 15
* [[Rating (Charity Shops) Act 1976]] c. 45
* [[Rent (Agriculture) Act 1976]] c. 80
* [[Resale Prices Act 1976]] c. 53
* [[Restrictive Practices Court Act 1976]] c. 33
* [[Restricive Trade Practices Act 1976]] c. 34
* [[Retirement of Teachers (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 65
* [[Road Traffic (Drivers' Ages and Hours of Work) Act 1976]] c. 3
* [[Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 82
* [[Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 67
* [[Seychelles Act 1976]] c. 19
* [[Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 6
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1976]] c. 16
* [[Statute Law Revision (Northern Ireland) Act 1976]] c. 12
* [[Stock Exchange (Completion of Bargains) Act 1976]] c. 47
* [[Supplementary Benefit (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 56
* [[Supplementary Benefits Act 1976]] c. 71
* [[Theatres Trust Act 1976]] c. 27
* [[Trade Union and Labour Relations (Amendment) Act 1976]] c. 7
* [[Trinidad and Tobago Republic Act 1976]] c. 54
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1976]] c. 4
* [[Valuation and Rating (Exempted Classes) (Scotland) Act 1976]] c. 64
* [[Water Charges Act 1976]] c. 9
* [[Weights and Measures &amp;c. Act 1976]] c. 77

==1977==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1977]] c. 38
* [[Agricultural Holdings (Notices to Quit) Act 1977]] c. 12
* [[Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977]] c. 3
* [[Appropriation Act 1977]] c. 35
* [[British Airways Board Act 1977]] c. 13
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1977]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1977]] c. 52
* [[Control of Food Premises (Scotland) Act 1977]] c. 28
* [[Control of Office Development Act 1977]] c. 40
* [[Coal Industry Act 1977]] c. 39
* [[Covent Garden Market (Financial Provisions) Act 1977]] c. 2
* [[Criminal Law Act 1977]] c. 45
* [[Farriers (Registration) (Amendment) Act 1977]] c. 31
* [[Finance Act 1977]] c. 36
* [[Finance (Income Tax Reliefs) Act 1977]] c. 53
* [[General Rate (Public Utilities) Act 1977]] c. 11
* [[Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977]] c. 48
* [[Insurance Brokers (Registration) Act 1977]] c. 46
* [[International Finance, Trade and Aid Act 1977]] c. 6
* [[Job Release Act 1977]] c. 8
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1977]] c. 26
* [[Local Authorities (Restoration of Works Powers) Act 1977]] c. 47
* [[Marriage (scotland) Act 1977]] c. 15
* [[Merchant Shipping (Safety Convention) Act 1977]] c. 24
* [[Minibus Act 1977]] c. 25
* [[National Health Service Act 1977]] c. 49
* [[New Towns Act 1977]] c. 23
* [[New Towns (Scotland) Act 1977]] c. 16
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) (Amendment) Act 1977]] c. 34
* [[Nuclear Industry (Finance) Act 1977]] c. 7
* [[Passenger Vehicles (Experimental Areas) Act 1977]] c. 21
* [[Patents Act 1977]] c. 37
* [[Pensioners Payments Act 1977]] c. 51
* [[Post Office Act 1977]] c. 44
* [[Presumption of Death (Scotland) Act 1977]] c. 27
* [[Price Commission Act 1977]] c. 33
* [[Protection from Eviction Act 1977]] c. 43
* [[Redundancy Rebates Act 1977]] c. 22
* [[Rent Act 1977]] c. 42
* [[Rent (Agriculture) Amendment Act 1977]]  c. 17
* [[Rentcharges Act 1977]] c. 30
* [[Representation of the People Act 1977]] c. 9
* [[Restricive Trade Practices Act 1977]] c. 19
* [[Returning Officers (Scotland) Act 1977]] c. 14
* [[Roe Deer (Close Seasons) Act 1977]] c. 4
* [[Social Security (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1977]] c. 5
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1977]] c. 18
* [[Torts (Interferences with Goods) Act 1977]] c. 32
* [[Town and Country Planning (Amendment) Act 1977]] c. 29
* [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1977]] c. 10
* [[Transport (Financial Provisions) Act 1977]] c. 20
* [[Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977]] c. 50
* [[Water Charges Equalisation Act 1977]] c. 41

==1978==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Adoption (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 28
* [[Appropriation Act 1978]] c. 57
* [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons (Northern Ireland) Act 1978]] c. 53
* [[Civil Aviation Act 1978]] c. 8
* [[Civil Liability (Contribution) Act 1978]] c. 47
* [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1978]] c. 2
* [[Community Service by Offenders (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 49
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1978]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1978]] c. 59
* [[Consumer Safety Act 1978]] c. 38
* [[Co-operative Development Act 1978]] c. 21
* [[Dividends Act 1978]] c. 54
* [[Domestic Proceedings and Magistrates’ Courts Act 1978]] c. 22
* [[Education (Northern Ireland) Act 1978]] c. 13
* [[Employment (Continental Shelf) Act 1978]] c. 46
* [[Employment Protection (Consolidation) Act 1978]] c. 44
* [[Employment Subsidies Act 1978]] c. 6
* [[European Assembly Elections Act 1978]]  c. 10 (also referred to as European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978 in later statutes)
* [[Export Guarantees and Overseas Investment Act 1978]] c. 18
* [[Finance Act 1978]] c. 42
* [[Gun Barrel Proof Act 1978]] c. 9
* [[Home Purchase Assistance and Housing Corporation Guarantee Act 1978]] c. 27
* [[Homes Insulation Act 1978]] c. 48
* [[House of Commons (Administration) Act 1978]] c. 36
* [[Housing (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 14
* [[Import of Live Fish (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 35
* [[Independent Broadcasting Authority Act 1978]] c. 43
* [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1978]] c. 34
* [[Inner Urban Areas Act 1978]] c. 50
* [[Internationally Protected Persons Act 1978]] c. 17
* [[Interpretation Act 1978]] c. 30
* [[Iron and Steel (Amendment) Act 1978]] c. 41
* [[Judicature (Northern Ireland) Act 1978]] c. 23
* [[Local Government Act 1978]] c. 39
* [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 4
* [[Medical Act 1978]] c. 12
* [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 29
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1978]] c. 5
* [[Nuclear Safeguards and Electricity (Finance) Act 1978]] c. 25
* [[Oaths Act 1978]] c. 19
* [[Parliamentary Pensions Act 1978]] c. 56
* [[Participation Agreements Act 1978]] c. 1
* [[Pensioners Payments Act 1978]] c. 58
* [[Protection of Children Act 1978]] c. 37
* [[Rating (Disabled Persons) Act 1978]] c. 40
* [[Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978]] c. 3
* [[Representation of the People Act 1978]] c. 32
* [[Scotland Act 1978]] c. 51
* [[Shipbuilding (Redundancy Payments) Act 1978]] c. 11
* [[Solomon Islands Act 1978]] c. 15
* [[State Immunity Act 1978]] c. 33
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1978]] c. 45
* [[Suppression of Terrorism Act 1978]] c. 26
* [[Theatres Trust (Scotland) Act 1978]] c. 24
* [[Theft Act 1978]] c. 31
* [[Transport Act 1978]] c. 55
* [[Trustee Savings Banks Act 1978]] c. 16
* [[Tuvalu Act 1978]] c. 20
* [[Wales Act 1978]] c. 52

==1979==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice (Emergency Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1979]] c. 19
* [[Agricultural Statistics Act 1979]] c. 13
* [[Alcoholic Liquor Duties Act 1979]] c. 4
* [[Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979]] c. 46
* [[Appropriation Act 1979]] c. 24
* [[Arbitration Act 1979]] c. 42
* [[Arbitration Act (No. 2) 1979]] c. 51
* [[Banking Act 1979]] c. 37
* [[Capital Gains Tax Act 1979]] c. 14
* [[Carriage by Air and Road Act 1979]] c. 28
* [[Charging Orders Act 1979]] c. 53
* [[Confirmation to Small Estates (Scotland) Act 1979]] c. 22
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1979]] c. 20
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1979]] c. 56
* [[Credit Unions Act 1979]] c. 34
* [[Criminal Evidence Act 1979]] c. 16
* [[Crown Agents Act 1979]] c. 43
* [[Customs and Excise Duties (General Reliefs) Act 1979]] c. 3
* [[Customs and Excise Management Act 1979]] c. 2
* [[Education Act 1979]] c. 49
* [[Electricity (Scotland) Act 1979]] c. 12
* [[Estate Agents Act 1979]] c. 38
* [[European Assembly (Pay and Pensions) Act 1979]] c. 50
* [[European Communities (Greek Accession) Act 1979]] c. 57
* [[Exchange Equalisation Account Act 1979]] c. 30
* [[Excise Duties (Surcharges or Rebates) Act 1979]] c. 8
* [[Films Act 1979]] c. 9
* [[Finance Act 1979]] c. 25
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1979]] c. 47
* [[Forestry Act 1979]] c. 21
* [[House of Commons (Redistribution of Seats) Act 1979]] c. 15
* [[Hydrocarbon Oil Duties Act 1979]] c. 5
* [[Independent Broadcasting Authority Act 1979]] c. 35
* [[Industry Act 1979]] c. 32
* [[International Monetary Fund Act 1979]] c. 29
* [[Isle of Man Act 1979]] c. 58
* [[Justices of the Peace Act 1979]] c. 55
* [[Kiribati Act 1979]] c. 27
* [[Land Registration (Scotland) Act 1979]] c. 33
* [[Leasehold Reform Act 1979]] c. 44
* [[Legal Aid Act 1979]] c. 26
* [[Matches and Mechanical Lighters Duties Act 1979]] c. 6
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1979]] c. 39
* [[Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1979]] c. 36
* [[Pensioners' Payments and Social Security Act 1979]] c. 48
* [[Pneumoconiosis etc. (Workers' Compensation) Act 1979]] c. 41
* [[Price Commission (Amendment) Act 1979]] c. 1
* [[Prosecution of Offences Act 1979]] c. 31
* [[Public Health Laboratory Service Act 1979]] c. 23
* [[Public Lending Right Act 1979]] c. 10
* [[Representation of the People Act 1979]] c. 40
* [[Sale of Goods Act 1979]] c. 54
* [[Shipbuilding Act 1979]] c. 59
* [[Social Security Act 1979]] c. 18
* [[Southern Rhodesia Act 1979]] c. 52
* [[Tobacco Products Duty Act 1979]] c. 7
* [[Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979]] c. 17
* [[Wages Councils Act 1979]] c. 12
* [[Weights and Measures Act 1979]] c. 45
* [[Zimbabwe Act 1979]] c. 60

===Local Acts===

* [[British Railways (Selby) Act 1979]] c. x
* [[City of London (Various Powers) Act 1979]] c. xxiv
* [[Dumbarton District Council Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. xviii
* [[Felixstowe Dock and Railway Act 1979]] c. xvi
* [[Gairloch Piers Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. vii
* [[Greater Glasgow Passenger Transport Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. xix
* [[Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1979]] c. xxiii
* [[Greater London Council (Money) Act 1979]] c. xii
* [[Inverclyde District Council Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. ii
* [[Ipswich Port Authority Act 1979]] c. ix
* [[Kilmarnock and Loudoun District Council Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. xx
* [[Lerwick Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. vi
* [[Ross and Cromarty (Coastal Waters Pollution) Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. viii
* [[Scots Episcopal Fund Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. xxi
* [[Scottish Equitable Life Assurance Society Act 1979]] c. xiv
* [[Severn-Trent Water Authority Act 1979]] c. xv
* [[Sheffield General Cemetery Act 1979]] c. xiii
* [[Shetland Islands Council Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. v
* [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland (Amendment) Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. iii
* [[Stirling District Council Order Confirmation Act 1979]] c. xvii
* [[Tamar Bridge Act 1979]] c. iv
* [[Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport Act 1979]] c. i
* [[University College London Act 1979]] c. xxii
* [[Van Diemen's Land Company Act 1979]] c. xi

==1980==

===Public General Acts===

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
! Chapter !! Short title !! Notes 
|-
| c. 1 || [[Petroleum Revenue Tax Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 2 || [[Papua New Guinea, Western Samoa and Nauru (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 3 || [[Representation of the People Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 2 [[Representation of the People Act 1983]]
|-
| c. 4 || [[Bail etc. (Scotland) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 40 [[Criminal Procedure (Consequential Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. 5 || [[Child Care Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 41 [[Children Act 1989]]
|-
| c. 6 || [[Foster Children Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 41 [[Children Act 1989]]
|-
| c. 7 || [[Residential Homes Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 41 [[Health and Social Services and Social Security Adjudications Act 1983]]
|-
| c. 8 || [[Gaming (Amendment) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 19 [[Gambling Act 2005]]
|-
| c. 9 || [[Reserve Forces Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 10 || [[Police Negotiating Board Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 16 [[Police Act 1996]]
|-
| c. 11 || [[Protection of Trading Interests Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 12 || [[Bees Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 13 || [[Slaughter of Animals (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 14 || [[Consolidated Fund Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 40 [[Appropriation Act 1982]]
|-
| c. 15 || [[National Health Service (Invalid Direction) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 12 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1986]]
|-
| c. 16 || [[New Hebrides Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 17 || [[National Heritage Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 18 || [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 18 [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1985]]
|-
| c. 19 || [[Highlands and Islands Air Services (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 20 || [[Education Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 21 || [[Competition Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 22 || [[Companies Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 9 [[Companies Consolidation (Consequential Provisions) Act 1985]]
|-
| c. 23 || [[Consular Fees Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 24 || [[Limitation Amendment Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 25 || [[Insurance Companies Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 26 || [[British Aerospace Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 27 || [[Import of Live Fish (England and Wales) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 28 || [[Iran (Temporary Powers) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 43 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1989]]
|-
| c. 29 || [[Concessionary Travel For Handicapped Persons (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 30 || [[Social Security Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 31 || [[Port of London (Financial Assistance) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 21 [[Ports (Financial Assistance) Act 1981]]
|-
| c. 32 || [[Licensed Premises (Exclusion of Certain Persons) Act 1980]] || Repealed (for Scotland) by asp 16 [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]
|-
| c. 33 || [[Industry Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 34 || [[Transport Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 35 || [[Sea Fish Industry Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 29 [[Fisheries Act 1981]]
|-
| c. 36 || [[New Towns Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 64 [[New Towns Act 1981]]
|-
| c. 37 || [[Gas Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Gas Act 1986]]
|-
| c. 38 || [[Coroners Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 13 [[Coroners Act 1988]]
|-
| c. 39 || [[Social Security (No. 2) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 6 [[Social Security (Consequential Provisions) Act 1992]]
|-
| c. 40 || [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 17 [[Licensing Act 2003]]
|-
| c. 41 || [[Films Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 21 [[Films Act 1985]]
|-
| c. 42 || [[Employment Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 43 || [[Magistrates' Courts Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 44 || [[Education (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 45 || [[Water (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 46 || [[Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 47 || [[Criminal Appeal (Northern Ireland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 48 || [[Finance Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 49 || [[Deer Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 54 [[Deer Act 1991]]
|-
| c. 50 || [[Coal Industry Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 51 || [[Housing Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 52 || [[Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 53 || [[Health Services Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 54 || [[Appropriation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 40 [[Appropriation Act 1982]]
|-
| c. 55 || [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 56 || [[Married Women's Policies of Assurance (Scotland) (Amendment) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 57 || [[Imprisonment (Temporary Provisions) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 58 || [[Limitation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 59 || [[Statute Law Revision (Northern Ireland) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 43 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1998]]
|-
| c. 60 || [[Civil Aviation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 61 || [[Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Scotland) (Amendment) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 26 [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1987]]
|-
| c. 62 || [[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 63 || [[Overseas Development and Co-operation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 1 [[International Development Act 2001]]
|-
| c. 64 || [[Broadcasting Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 68 [[Broadcasting Act 1981]]
|-
| c. 65 || [[Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 66 || [[Highways Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 67 || [[Anguilla Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. 68 || [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 40 [[Appropriation Act 1982]]
|-
|}

===Local Acts===

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
! Chapter !! Short title !! Notes 
|-
| c. i || [[Ardveenish Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. ii || [[Forth Ports Authority Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. iii || [[Forth Ports Authority (No.2) Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by S.I. 1992/546 [[Forth Ports Authority Scheme 1992 Confirmation Order 1992]] 
|-
| c. iv || [[Inverness District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. v || [[Kirkcaldy District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. vi || [[Lochaber District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. vii || [[Strathkelvin District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. viii || [[West Lothian District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. 44 [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]]
|-
| c. ix || [[British Railways Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. x || [[County of Merseyside Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xi || [[West Midlands County Council Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xii || [[Cane Hill Cemetery Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xiii || [[Cheshire County Council Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xiv || [[West Yorkshire Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xv || [[Isle of Wight Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xvi || [[British Railways (Castlefield) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xvii || [[Bangor Market Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xviii || [[Wesley's Chapel, City Road Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xix || [[Pier and Harbour Order (Brighton West Pier) Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xx || [[Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxi || [[Friends Meeting House (Reigate) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxii || [[Clifton Suspension Bridge Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxiii || [[British Olivetti Limited Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxiv || [[Eagle &amp; Globe Steel Limited Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxv || [[Yorkshire Woollen District Transport Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxvi || [[Standard Life Assurance Company Act 1980]] || Repealed by c. iii [[Standard Life Assurance Company Act 1991]]
|-
| c. xxvii || [[Breasclete Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxviii || [[British Railways Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxix || [[Greater London Council (Money) Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxx || [[Salvation Army Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxxi || [[Falmouth Container Terminal Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxxii || [[London Transport Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxxiii || [[Pier and Harbour Order (Great Yarmouth Wellington Pier) Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxxiv || [[Dundee Port Authority Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxv || [[Scottish Widows' Fund and Life Assurance Society Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxvi || [[British Transport Docks Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxvii || [[South Yorkshire Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxviii || [[Southern Water Authority Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xxix || [[Eastbourne Harbour Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xl || [[Inverclyde District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xli || [[City of Dundee District Council Order Confirmation Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xlii || [[United Reformed Church Lion Walk Colchester Act 1980]] ||
|-
| c. xliii || [[Tyne and Wear Act 1980]] ||
|-
|}

===Personal Acts===

{| class=&quot;wikitable&quot;
! Chapter !! Short title !! Notes 
|-
| c. ''1'' || [[Edward Berry and Doris Eilleen Ward (Marriage Enabling) Act 1980]] ||  
|-
|}

==1981==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Acquisition of Land Act 1981]] c. 67
* [[Animal Health Act 1981]] c. 22
* [[Appropriation Act 1981]] c. 51
* [[Armed Forces Act 1981]] c. 55
* [[Atomic Energy (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1981]] c. 48
* [[Belize Act 1981]] c. 52
* [[Betting and Gaming Duties Act 1981]] c. 63
* [[British Nationality Act 1981]] c. 61
* [[British Telecommunications Act 1981]] c. 38
* [[Broadcasting Act 1981]] c. 68
* [[Companies Act 1981]] c. 62
* [[Compulsory Purchase (Vesting Declarations) Act 1981]] c. 66
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1981]] c. 4
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1981]] c. 70
* [[Contempt of Court Act 1981]] c. 49
* [[Countryside (Scotland) Act 1981]] c. 44
* [[Criminal Attempts Act 1981]] c. 47
* [[Criminal Justice (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 27
* [[Deep Sea Mining (Temporary Provisions) Act 1981]] c. 53
* [[Disabled Persons Act 1981]] c. 43
* [[Disused Burial Grounds (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 18
* [[Education Act 1981]] c. 60
* [[Education (Scotland) Act 1981]] c. 58
* [[Employment and Training Act 1981]] c. 57
* [[Energy Conservation Act 1981]] c. 17
* [[English Industrial Estates Corporation Act 1981]] c. 13
* [[European Assembly Elections Act 1981]] c. 8
* [[Film Levy Finance Act 1981]] c. 16
* [[Finance Act 1981]] c. 35
* [[Fisheries Act 1981]] c. 29
* [[Food and Drugs (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 26
* [[Forestry Act 1981]] c. 39
* [[Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981]] c. 45
* [[Friendly Societies Act 1981]] c. 50
* [[Gas Levy Act 1981]] c. 3
* [[Horserace Betting Levy Act 1981]] c. 30
* [[House of Commons Members' Fund and Parliamentary Pensions Act 1981]] c. 7
* [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1981]] c. 72
* [[Indecent Displays (Control) Act 1981]] c. 42
* [[Industrial Diseases (Notification) Act 1981]] c. 25
* [[Industry Act 1981]] c. 6
* [[Insurance Companies Act 1981]] c. 31
* [[International Organisations Act 1981]] c. 9
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1981]] c. 46
* [[Iron and Steel (Borrowing Powers) Act 1981]] c. 2
* [[Judicial Pensions Act 1981]] c. 20
* [[Licensing (Alcohol Education and Research) Act 1981]] c. 28
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 40
* [[Local Government and Planning (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 41
* [[Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions)(Scotland) 1981]] c. 23
* [[Matrimonial Homes and Property Act 1981]] c. 24
* [[Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland) Act 1981]] c. 59
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1981]] c. 10
* [[National Film Finance Corporation Act 1981]] c. 15
* [[New Towns Act 1981]] c. 64
* [[Nuclear Industry (Finance) Act 1981]] c. 71
* [[Parliamentary Commissioner (Consular Complaints) Act 1981]] c. 11
* [[Ports (Financial Assistance) Act 1981]] c. 21
* [[Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981]] c. 14
* [[Redundancy Fund Act 1981]] c. 5
* [[Representation of the People Act 1981]] c. 34
* [[Social Security (Contributions) Act 1981]] c. 1
* [[Social Security Act 1981]] c. 33
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1981]] c. 19
* [[Senior Courts Act 1981]] c. 54
* [[Town and Country Planning (Minerals) Act 1981]] c. 36
* [[Transport Act 1962 (Amendment) Act 1981]] c. 32
* [[Transport Act 1981]] c. 56
* [[Trustee Savings Bank Act 1981]] c. 65
* [[Water Act 1981]] c. 12
* [[Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981]] c. 69
* [[Zoo Licensing Act 1981]] c. 37

===Local Acts===

* [[Allied Irish Banks Act 1981]] c. x
* [[Barnsley Borough Council Act 1981]] c. xii
* [[Bearsden &amp; Milngavie District Council Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. i
* [[British Railways Act 1981]]] c. xxiii
* [[British Railways (No.2) Act 1981]] c. xxxv
* [[British Railways (Pension Schemes) Act 1981]] c. xv
* [[British Railways (Victoria) Act 1981]] c. xiii
* [[British Transport Docks Act 1981]] c. xxxi
* [[Charterhouse Japhet Act 1981]] c. vii
* [[Churches and Universties (Scotland) Widows' and Orphans' Fund (Amendment) Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. ii
* [[County of Kent Act 1981]] c. xviii
* [[Cumnock and Doon Valley District Council Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. iii
* [[Derbyshire Act 1981]] c. xxxiv
* [[Dunfermline District Council Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. iv
* [[East Sussex Act 1981]] c. xxv
* [[Felixstowe Dock and Railway Act 1981]] c. vi
* [[Great Yarmouth Borough Council Act 1981]] c. xxx
* [[Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1981]] c. xvii
* [[Greater London Council (Money) Act 1981]] c. xxviii
* [[Greater Manchester Act 1981]] c. ix
* [[Lloyds Bank Act 1981]] c. viii
* [[London Transport Act 1981]] c. xxxii
* [[Midlothian District Council Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. xxxiii
* [[Milford Docks Act 1981]] c. xxvi
* [[Northumbrian Water Authority Act 1981]] c. xxvii
* [[Peterborough Development Corporation Act 1981]] c. xxi
* [[Peterhead Harbours Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. v
* [[Preston Borough Council Act 1981]] c. xxii
* [[Sion College Act 1981]] c. xiv
* [[South Yorkshire Act 1981]] c. xix
* [[Ullapool Pier Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. xxix
* [[United Reformed Church Act 1981]] c. xxiv
* [[Wallerawang Collieries Limited Act 1981]] c. xx
* [[Western Islands Council (Berneray Ferry) Order Confirmation Act 1981]] c. xi
* [[Whitehaven Harbour Act 1981]] c. xvi

==1982==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1982]] c. 53
* [[Agricultural Training Board Act 1982]] c. 9
* [[Appropriation Act 1982]] c. 40
* [[Aviation Security Act 1982]] c. 36
* [[Canada Act 1982]] c. 11
* [[Children's Homes Act 1982]] c. 20
* [[Cinematograph (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 33
* [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 45
* [[Civil Aviation Act 1982]] c. 16
* [[Civil Aviation (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 1
* [[Civil Jurisdiction and Judgments Act 1982]] c. 27
* [[Coal Industry Act 1982]] c. 15
* [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1982]] c. 54
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1982]] c. 8
* [[Copyright Act 1956 (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 35
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1982]] c. 48
* [[Currency Act 1982]] c. 3
* [[Deer (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 19
* [[Derelict Land Act 1982]] c. 42
* [[Duchy of Cornwall Management Act 1982]] c. 47
* [[Electricity (Financial Provisions)(Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 56
* [[Employment Act 1982]] c. 46
* [[Finance Act 1982]] c. 39
* [[Firearms Act 1982]] c. 31
* [[Fire Service College Board (Abolition) Act 1982]] c. 13
* [[Food and Drugs (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 26
* [[Forfeiture Act 1982]] c. 34
* [[Gaming (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 22
* [[Harbours (Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 17
* [[Hops Marketing Act 1982]] c. 5
* [[Industrial Development Act 1982]] c. 52
* [[Industrial Training Act 1982]] c. 10
* [[Industry Act 1982]] c. 18
* [[Insurance Companies Act 1982]] c. 50
* [[Iron and Steel Act 1982]] c. 25
* [[Lands Valuation Amendment (Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 57
* [[Legal Aid Act 1982]] c. 44
* [[Local Government Finance Act 1982]] c. 32
* [[Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982]]  c. 30
* [[Local Government and Planning (Scotland) Act 1982]] c. 43
* [[Mental Health (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 51
* [[Merchant Shipping (Liner Conferences) Act 1982]] c. 37
* [[National Insurance Surcharge Act 1982]] c. 55
* [[New Towns Act 1982]] c. 7
* [[Northern Ireland Act 1982]] c. 38
* [[Oil and Gas (Enterprise) Act 1982]] c. 23
* [[Planning Inquiries (Attendance of the Public) Act 1982]] c. 21
* [[Reserve Forces Act 1982]] c. 14
* [[Shipbuilding Act 1982]] c. 4
* [[Social Security (Contributions) Act 1982]] c. 2
* [[Social Security and Housing Benefits Act 1982]] c. 24
* [[Stock Transfer Act 1982]] c. 41 
* [[Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982]] c. 29
* [[Taking of Hostages Act 1982]] c. 28
* [[Transport Act 1982]] c. 49
* [[Transport (Finance) Act 1982]] c. 6
* [[Travel Concessions (London) Act 1982]] c. 12

===Local Acts===

* [[British Railways Act 1982]] c. xxiii
* [[Commercial Banking Company of Sydney (Merger) Act 1982]] c. xvii
* [[County of Avon Act 1982]] c. iv
* [[Cumbria Act 1982]] c. xv
* [[Derwent Valley Railway Act 1982]] c. xviii
* [[East Lindsey District Council Act 1982]] c. vii
* [[Feltham Station Area Redevelopment (Longford River) Act 1982]] c. xii
* [[Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1982]] c. i
* [[Greater London Council (Money) Act 1982]] c. xx
* [[Hertsmere Borough Council (Rowley Lane) Act 1982]] c. viii
* [[Highland Region (Banavie Level Crossing) Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. xxv
* [[Hong Kong and China Gas Company plc Act 1982]] c. xi
* [[Humberside Act 1982]] c. iii
* [[Lerwick Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. xxvi
* [[Lloyd's Act 1982]] c. xiv
* [[London Transport Act 1982]] c. v
* [[London Transport (General Powers) Act 1982]] c. xxi
* [[Port of London Act 1982]] c. ix
* [[Southern Water Authority Act 1982]] c. xxii
* [[St. Thomas' Burial Ground (Southwark) Act 1982]] c. vi
* [[Tees and Hartlepool Port Authority Act 1982]] c. xiii
* [[Thomas Brown and Sons Limited Act 1982]] c. x
* [[West Yorkshire (Parking and Transport) Act 1982]] c. xix
* [[Western Isles Islands Council (Loch Roag) Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. ii
* [[Western Isles Islands Council (Omnibus Services) Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. xvii
* [[Woolworths (Aberdeen Development) Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. xvi
* [[Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Order Confirmation Act 1982]] c. xxiv

===Personal Acts===

* [[John Francis Dare and Gillian Loder Dare (Marriage Enabling) Act]] 1982 c. ''1''
* [[Hugh Small and Norma Small (Marriage Enabling) Act]] 1982 c. ''2''

==1983==
===Public General Acts===

* [[Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1983]] c. 46
* [[Agricultural Marketing Act 1983]] c. 3
* [[Appropriation Act 1983]] c. 27
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1983]] c. 48
* [[British Fishing Boats Act 1983]] c. 8
* [[British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983]] c. 6
* [[British Shipbuilders Act 1983]] c. 15
* [[British Shipbuilders (Borrowing Powers) Act 1983]] c. 58
* [[Car Tax Act 1983]] c. 53
* [[Civil Aviation (Eurocontrol) Act 1983]] c. 11
* [[Coal Industry Act 1983]] c. 60
* [[Companies (Beneficial Interests) Act 1983]] c. 50
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1983]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1983]] c. 5
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1983]] c. 57
* [[Conwy Tunnel (Supplementary Powers) Act 1983]] c. 7
* [[Copyright (Amendment) Act 1983]] c. 42
* [[Coroners' Juries Act 1983]] c. 31
* [[County Courts (Penalties for Contempt) Act 1983]] c. 45
* [[Currency Act 1983]] c. 9
* [[Dentists Act 1983]] c. 38
* [[Diseases of Fish Act 1983]] c. 30
* [[Divorce Jurisdiction, Court Fees and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1983]] c. 12
* [[Education (Fees and Awards) Act 1983]] c. 40
* [[Energy Act 1983]] c. 25
* [[Finance Act 1983]] c. 28
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1983]] c. 49
* [[Health and Social Services and Social Security Adjudication's Act 1983]] c. 41
* [[Importation of Milk Act 1983]] c. 37
* [[International Monetary Arrangements Act 1983]] c. 51
* [[International Transport Conventions Act 1983]] c. 14
* [[Level Crossings Act 1983]] c. 16
* [[Licensing (Occasional Permissions) Act 1983]] c. 24
* [[Litter Act 1983]] c. 35
* [[Local Authorities (Expenditure Powers) Act 1983]] c. 52
* [[Marriage Act 1983]] c. 32
* [[Matrimonial Homes Act 1983]] c. 19
* [[Mental Health (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1983]] c. 39
* [[Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1983]] c. 29
* [[Medical Act 1983]] c. 54
* [[Mental Health Act 1983]] c. 20
* [[Mental Health (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1983]] c. 39
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1983]] c. 13
* [[Mobile Homes Act 1983]] c. 34
* [[National Audit Act 1983]] c. 44
* [[National Heritage Act 1983]] c. 47
* [[Nuclear Material (Offences) Act 1983]] c. 18
* [[Oil Taxation Act 1983]] c. 56
* [[Pet Animals Act 1951 (Amendment) Act 1982]] c. 26
* [[Petroleum Royalties (Relief) Act 1983]] c. 59
* [[Pig Industry Levy Act 1983]] c. 4
* [[Pilotage Act 1983]] c. 21
* [[Plant Varieties Act 1983]] c. 17
* [[Ports (Reduction of Debt) Act 1983]] c. 22
* [[Representation of the People Act 1983]] c. 2
* [[Road Traffic (Driving Licences) Act 1983]] c. 43
* [[Social Security and Housing Benefits Act 1983]] c. 36
* [[Solvent Abuse (Scotland) Act 1983]] c. 33
* [[Transport Act 1983]] c. 10
* [[Value Added Tax Act 1983]] c. 55
* [[Water Act 1983]] c. 23

===Local Acts===

==1984==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Agricultural Holdings Act 1984]] c. 41
* [[Agriculture (Amendment) Act 1984]] c. 20
* [[Anatomy Act 1984]] c. 14
* [[Animal Health and Welfare Act 1984]] c. 40
* [[Appropriation Act 1984]] c. 44
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1984]] c. 25
* [[Building Act 1984]] c. 55
* [[Cable and Broadcasting Act 1984]] c. 46
* [[Capital Transfer Tax (now known as Inheritance) Act 1984]] c. 51
* [[Child Abduction Act 1984]] c. 37
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1984]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1984]] c. 61
* [[Co-operative Development Agency and Industrial Development Act 1984]] c. 57
* [[County Courts Act 1984]] c. 28
* [[Cycle Tracks Act 1984]] c. 38
* [[Data Protection Act 1984]] c. 35
* [[Dentists Act 1984]] c. 24
* [[Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 6
* [[Education (Grants and Awards) Act 1984]] c. 11
* [[Finance Act 1984]] c. 43
* [[Food Act 1984]] c. 30
* [[Foreign Limitation Periods Act 1984]] c. 16
* [[Fosdyke Bridge Act 1984]] c. 17
* [[Foster Children (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 56
* [[Friendly Societies Act 1984]] c. 62
* [[Health and Social Security Act 1984]] c. 48
* [[Housing and Building Control Act 1984]] c. 29
* [[Housing Defects Act 1984]] c. 50
* [[Inheritance Tax Act 1984]]
* [[Inshore Fishing (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 26
* [[Insurance Contracts Act 1984]]
* [[Juries (Disqualification) Act 1984]] c. 34
* [[Law Reform (Husband and Wife)(Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 15
* [[Local Government (Interim Provisions) Act 1984]] c. 53
* [[London Regional Transport Act 1984]] c. 32
* [[Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1984]] c. 9
* [[Matrimonial and Family Proceedings Act 1984]] c. 42
* [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 36
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1984]] c. 5
* [[Occupiers' Liability Act 1984]] c. 3
* [[Ordnance Factories and Military Services Act 1984]] c. 59
* [[Parliamentary Pensions etc Act 1984]] c. 52
* [[Pensions Commutation Act 1984]] c. 7
* [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]] c. 60
* [[Prescription and Limitation (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 45
* [[Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1984]] c. 8
* [[Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984]] c. 22
* [[Rates Act 1984]] c. 33
* [[Rating and Valuation (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 31
* [[Registered Homes Act 1984]] c. 23
* [[Rent (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 58
* [[Repatriation of Prisoners Act 1984]] c. 47
* [[Restrictive Trade Practices (Stock Exchange) Act 1984]] c. 2
* [[Road Traffic (Driving Instruction) Act 1984]] c. 13
* [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]] c. 27
* [[Roads (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 54
* [[Somerset House Act 1984]] c. 21
* [[Telecommunications Act 1984]] c. 12
* [[Tenants' Rights, Etc. (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 18
* [[Tourism (Overseas Promotion)(Scotland) Act 1984]] c. 4
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1984]] c. 10
* [[Trade Marks (Amendment) Act 1984]] c. 19
* [[Trade Union Act 1984]] c. 49
* [[Video Recordings Act 1984]] c. 39

===Local Acts===

==1985==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Administration of Justice Act 1985]] c. 61
* [[Agricultural Training Board Act 1985]] c. 36
* [[Appropriation Act 1985]] c. 55
* [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]] c. 66
* [[Betting, Gaming and Lotteries (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 18
* [[Brunei and Maldives Act 1985]] c. 3
* [[Business Names Act 1985]] c. 7
* [[Charities Act 1985]] c. 20
* [[Charter Trustees Act 1985]] c. 45
* [[Child Abduction and Custody Act 1985]] c. 60
* [[Cinemas Act 1985]] c. 13
* [[Coal Industry Act 1985]] c. 27
* [[Companies Act 1985]] c. 6
* [[Companies Consolidation (Consequential Provisions) Act 1985]] c. 9
* [[Company Securities (Insider Dealing) Act 1985]] c. 8
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1985]] c. 1
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1985]] c. 11
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1985]] c. 74
* [[Controlled Drugs (Penalties) Act 1985]] c. 39
* [[Copyright (Computer Software) Amendment Act 1985]] c. 41
* [[Dangerous Vessels Act 1985]] c. 22
* [[Elections (Northern Ireland) Act 1985]] c. 2
* [[Enduring Powers of Attorney Act 1985]] c. 29
* [[European Communities (Finance) Act 1985]] c. 64
* [[European Communities (Spanish and Portuguese Accession) Act 1985]] c. 75
* [[Films Act 1985]] c. 21
* [[Finance Act 1985]] c. 54
* [[Family Law (Scotland) Act 1985]] c. 37
* [[Food and Environment Protection Act 1985]] c. 48
* [[Further Education Act 1985]] c. 47
* [[Gaming (Bingo) Act 1985]] c. 35
* [[Hill Farming Act 1985]] c. 32
* [[Hong Kong Act 1985]] c. 15
* [[Hospital Complaints Procedure Act 1985]] c. 42
* [[Housing Act 1985]] c. 68
* [[Housing Associations Act 1985]] c. 69
* [[Housing (Consequential Provisions) Act 1985]] c. 71
* [[Industrial Development Act 1985]] c. 25
* [[Insolvency Act 1985]] c. 65
* [[Insurance (Fees) Act 1985]] c. 46
* [[Interception of Communications Act 1985]] c. 56
* [[Intoxicating Substances (Supply) Act 1985]] c. 26
* [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1985]] c. 70
* [[Law Reform (Miscellanous Provisions)(Scotland) Act 1985]] c. 73
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 40
* [[Local Government Act 1985]] c. 51
* [[Local Government (Access to Information) Act 1985]] c. 43
* [[London Regional Transport (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 10
* [[Milk (Cessation of Production) Act 1985]] c. 4
* [[Mineral Workings Act 1985]] c. 12
* [[Motor-Cycle Crash-Helmets (Restriction of Liability) Act 1985]] c. 28
* [[National Heritage (Scotland) Act 1985]] c. 16
* [[New Towns and Urban Development Corporations Act 1985]] c. 5
* [[Northern Ireland (Loans) Act 1985]] c. 76
* [[Oil and Pipelines Act 1985]] c. 62
* [[Ports (Finance) Act 1985]] c. 30
* [[Prohibition of Female Circumcision Act 1985]] c. 38
* [[Prosecution of Offences Act 1985]] c. 23
* [[Rating (Revaluation Rebates) (Scotland) Act 1985]] c. 33
* [[Rent (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 24
* [[Representation of the People Act 1985]] c. 50
* [[Reserve Forces (Safeguard of Employment) Act 1985]] c. 17
* [[Road Traffic (Production of Documents) Act 1985]] c. 34
* [[Sexual Offences Act 1985]] c. 44
* [[Shipbuilding Act 1985]] c. 14
* [[Social Security Act 1985]] c. 53
* [[Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985]] c. 57
* [[Surrogacy Arrangements Act 1985]] c. 49
* [[Town and Country Planning (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 52
* [[Town and Country Planning (Compensation) Act 1985]] c. 19
* [[Transport Act 1985]] c. 67
* [[Trustee Savings Bank Act 1985]] c. 58
* [[Water (Fluoridation) Act 1985]] c. 63
* [[Weights and Measures Act 1985]] c. 72
* [[Wildlife and Countryside (Amendment) Act 1985]] c. 31
* [[Wildlife and Countryside (Service of Notices) Act 1985]] c. 59

===Local Acts===

===Personal Acts===

* [[Valerie Mary Hill and Alan Monk (Marriage Enabling) Act]] 1985 c. ''1''

==1986==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Advance Petroleum Revenue Tax Act 1986]] c. 68
* [[Agriculture Act 1986]] c. 49
* [[Agricultural Holdings Act 1986]] c. 5
* [[Airports Act 1986]] c. 31
* [[Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986]] c. 14
* [[Appropriation Act 1986]] c. 42
* [[Armed Forces Act 1986]] c. 21
* [[Atomic Energy Authority Act 1986]] c. 3
* [[Australia Act 1986]] c. 2
* [[British Council and Commonwealth Institute Superannuation Act 1986]] c. 51
* [[British Shipbuilders (Borrowing Powers) Act 1986]] c. 19
* [[Building Societies Act 1986]] c. 53
* [[Children and Young Persons (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 28
* [[Civil Protection in Peacetime Act 1986]] c. 22
* [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1986]] c. 25
* [[Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986]] c. 46
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1986]] c. 4
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1986]] c. 67
* [[Consumer Safety (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 29
* [[Corneal Tissue Act 1986]] c. 18
* [[Crown Agents (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 43
* [[Disabled Persons (Services, Consultation and Representation) Act 1986]] c. 33
* [[Dockyard Services Act 1986]] c. 52
* [[Drainage Rates (Disabled Persons) Act 1986]] c. 17
* [[Drug Trafficking Offences Act 1986]] c. 32
* [[Education Act 1986]] c. 40
* [[Education (No. 2) Act 1986]] c. 61
* [[Education (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 1
* [[European Communities (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 58
* [[Family Law Act 1986]] c. 55
* [[Finance Act 1986]] c. 41
* [[Financial Services Act 1986]] c. 60
* [[Forestry Act 1986]] c. 30
* [[Gas Act 1986]] c. 44
* [[Health Service Joint Consultative Committees (Access to Information) Act 1986]] c. 24
* [[Highways (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 13
* [[Horticultural Produce Act 1986]] c. 20
* [[Housing and Planning Act 1986]] c. 63
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1986]] c. 65
* [[Incest and Related Offences (Scotland) Act 1986]] c. 36
* [[Industrial Training Act 1986]] c. 15
* [[Insolvency Act 1986]] c. 45
* [[Land Registration Act 1986]] c. 26
* [[Latent Damage Act 1986]] c. 37
* [[Law Reform (Parent and Child) (Scotland) Act 1986]] c. 9
* [[Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986]] c. 47
* [[Local Government Act 1986]] c. 10
* [[Marriage (Prohibited Degrees of Relationship) Act 1986]] c. 16
* [[Marriage (Wales) Act 1986]] c. 7
* [[Museum of London|Museum of London Act 1986]] c. 8
* [[National Health Service (Amendment) Act 1986]] c. 66
* [[Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986]] c. 56
* [[Protection of Children (Tobacco) Act 1986]] c. 34
* [[Protection of Military Remains Act 1986]] c. 35
* [[Patents, Designs and Marks Act 1986]] c. 39
* [[Prevention of Oil Pollution Act 1986]] c. 6
* [[Public Order Act 1986]] c. 64
* [[Public Trustee and Administration of Funds Act 1986]] c. 57
* [[Rate Support Grants Act 1986]] c. 54
* [[Road Traffic Regulation (Parking) Act 1986]] c. 27
* [[Safety at Sea Act 1986]] c. 23
* [[Salmon Act 1986]] c. 62
* [[Sex Discrimination Act 1986]] c. 59
* [[Social Security Act 1986]] c. 50
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1986]] c. 12
* [[Wages Act 1986]] c. 48

===Local Acts===

==1987==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Abolition of Domestic Rates Etc. (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 47
* [[Access to Personal Files Act 1987]] c. 37
* [[Agricultural Training Board Act 1987]] c. 29
* [[AIDS (Control) Act 1987]] c. 33
* [[Animals (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 9
* [[Appropriation Act 1987]] c. 17
* [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1987]] c. 50
* [[Banking Act 1987]] c.22
* [[Billiards (Abolition of Restrictions) Act 1987]] c. 19
* [[British Shipbuilders (Borrowing Powers) Act 1987]] c. 52
* [[Broadcasting Act 1987]] c. 10
* [[Channel Tunnel Act 1987]] c. 53
* [[Chevening Estate Act 1987]] c. 20
* [[Coal Industry Act 1987]] c. 3
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1987]] c. 8
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1987]] c. 54
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1987]] c. 55
* [[Consumer Protection Act 1987]] c. 43
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1987]] c. 38
* [[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 41
* [[Crossbows Act 1987]] c. 32
* [[Crown Proceedings (Armed Forces) Act 1987]] c. 25
* [[Debtors (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 18
* [[Deer Act 1987]] c. 28
* [[Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987]] c. 46
* [[Family Law Reform Act 1987]] c. 42
* [[Finance Act 1987]] c. 16
* [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1987]] c. 51
* [[Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987]] c. 27
* [[Gaming (Amendment) Act 1987]] c. 11
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 26
* [[Immigration (Carriers' Liability) Act 1987]] c. 24
* [[Irish Sailors and Soldiers Land Trust Act 1987]] c. 48
* [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1987]] c. 31
* [[Licensing (Restaurant Meals) Act 1987]] c. 2
* [[Local Government Act 1987]] c. 44
* [[Local Government Finance Act 1987]] c. 6
* [[Ministry of Defence Police Act 1987]] c. 4
* [[Minors' Contracts Act 1987]] c. 13
* [[Motor Cycle Noise Act 1987]] c. 34
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1987]] c. 30
* [[Parliamentary and Health Service Commissioners Act 1987]] c. 39
* [[Parliamentary and other Pensions Act 1987]] c. 45
* [[Petroleum Act 1987]] c. 12
* [[Pilotage Act 1987]] c. 21
* [[Prescription (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 36
* [[Protection of Animals (Penalties) Act 1987]] c. 35
* [[Rate Support Grants Act 1987]] c. 5
* [[Recognition of Trusts Act 1987]] c. 14
* [[Register of Sasines (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 23
* [[Registered Establishments (Scotland) Act 1987]] c. 40
* [[Reverter of Sites Act 1987]] c. 15
* [[Scottish Development Agency Act 1987]] c. 56
* [[Social Fund (Maternity and Funeral Expenses) Act 1987]] c. 7
* [[Teachers' Pay and Conditions Act 1987]] c. 1
* [[Territorial Sea Act 1987]] c. 49
* [[Urban Development Corporations (Financial Limits) Act 1987]] c. 57

===Local Acts===

* [[Aberdeen Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. xxi
* [[Aberystwyth Harbour Act 1987]] c. xiv
* [[Advocates' Widows' and Orphans' Fund Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. iii
* [[Associated British Ports Act 1987]] c. xxvii
* [[Bexley London Borough Council Act 1987]] c. xxiii
* [[Brighton Marine Palace and Pier Act 1987]] c. vi
* [[Brighton Marine Palace and Pier (Finance, &amp;c.) Act 1987]] c. xvi
* [[British Railways Act 1987]] c. xxix
* [[British Railways (Stanstead) Act 1987]] c. xiii
* [[British Waterways Act 1987]] c. xxviii
* [[City of London (Various Powers) Act 1987]] c. xv
* [[County of Cleveland Act 1987]] c. ix
* [[Dyfed Act 1987]] c. xxiv
* [[Essex Act 1987]] c. xx
* [[Exeter City Council Act 1987]] c. xi
* [[Gairloch Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. i
* [[Grampian Regional Council (Harbours) Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. x
* [[Highland Region Harbours (Miscellaneous Powers) Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. xxv
* [[Lerwick Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. xxvi
* [[London Underground (Goodge Street) Act 1987]] c. xvii
* [[Masonic Trust for Girls and Boys Act 1987]] c. xix
* [[Mid Glamorgan County Council Act 1987]] c. vii
* [[National Provident Institution Act 1987]] c. xxii
* [[Plymouth City Council Act 1987]] c. iv
* [[Pontypridd Markets, Fairs and Town Hall Act 1987]] c. xii
* [[Port of Fosdyke Act 1987]] c. v
* [[Shetlands Islands Council (Ham Voe, Foula) Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. ii
* [[West Glamorgan Act 1987]] c. viii
* [[Western Isles Islands Council (Vatersay Causeway) Order Confirmation Act 1987]] c. xviii

===Personal Acts===

* [[John Ernest Rolfe and Florence Iveen Rolfe (Marriage Enabling) Act]] 1987 c. ''1''
* [[George Donald Evans and Deborah Jane Evans (Marriage Enabling) Act]] 1987 c. ''2''

==1988==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Access to Medical Reports Act 1988]] c. 28
* [[Appropriation Act 1988]] c. 38
* [[Arms Control and Disarmament (Privileges and Immunities) Act 1988]] c. 2
* [[British Steel Act 1988]] c. 35
* [[Civil Evidence (Scotland) Act 1988]] c. 32
* [[Community Health Councils (Access to Information) Act 1988]] c. 24
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1988]] c. 6
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1988]] c. 55
* [[Consumer Arbitration Agreements Act 1988]] c. 21
* [[Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988]] c. 48
* [[Coroners Act 1988]] c. 13
* [[Court of Session Act 1988]] c. 36
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1988]] c. 33
* [[Dartford-Thurrock Crossing Act 1988]] c. 20
* [[Duchy of Lancaster Act 1988]] c. 10
* [[Education Reform Act 1988]] c. 40
* [[Electricity (Financial Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1988]] c. 37
* [[Employment Act 1988]] c. 19
* [[Environment and Safety Information Act 1988]] c. 30
* [[European Communities (Finance) Act 1988]] c. 46
* [[Farm Land and Rural Development Act 1988]] c. 16
* [[Finance Act 1988]] c. 39
* [[Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988]] c. 45
* [[Foreign Marriage (Amendment) Act 1988]] c. 44
* [[Health and Medicines Act 1988]] c. 49
* [[Housing Act 1988]] c. 50
* [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1988]] c. 43
* [[Immigration Act 1988]] c. 14
* [[Income and Corporation Taxes Act 1988]] c. 1
* [[Land Registration Act 1988]] c. 3
* [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1988]] c. 26
* [[Legal Aid Act 1988]] c. 34
* [[Licensing Act 1988]] c. 17
* [[Licensing (Retail Sales) Act 1988]] c. 25
* [[Local Government Act 1988]] c. 9 (notable for its controversial [[Section 28]])
* [[Local Government Finance Act 1988]] c. 41
* [[Malicious Communications Act 1988]] c. 27
* [[Matrimonial Proceedings (transfers) Act 1988]] c. 18
* [[Merchant Shipping Act 1988]] c. 12
* [[Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Rear Seat Belts by Children) Act 1988]] c. 23
* [[Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency Act 1988]] c. 8
* [[Norfolk and Suffolk Broads Act 1988]] c. 4
* [[Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act 1988]] c. 29
* [[Protection against Cruel Tethering Act 1988]] c. 31
* [[Public Utility Transfers and Water Charges Act 1988]] c. 15
* [[Rate Support Grants Act 1988]] c. 51
* [[Regional Development Grants (Termination) Act 1988]] c. 11
* [[Road Traffic Act 1988]] c. 52
* [[Road Traffic (Consequential Provisions) Act 1988]] c. 54
* [[Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988]] c. 53
* [[School Boards (Scotland) Act 1988]] c. 47
* [[Scotch Whisky Act 1988]] c. 22
* [[Social Security Act 1988]] c. 7
* [[Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1988]] c. 42
* [[Teaching and Higher Education Act 1988]]
* [[Welsh Development Agency Act 1988]] c. 5

===Local Acts===

* [[Associated British Ports (Barrow) Act 1988]] c. xviii
* [[Birmingham City Council Act 1988]] c. xxxii
* [[Bredero (Bon Accord Centre, Aberdeen) Order Confirmation Act 1988]] c. xix
* [[Brighton and Preston Cemetery Act 1988]] c. xvii
* [[British Railways (London) Act 1988]] c. 
* [[British Railways Order Confirmation Act 1988]] c. xii
* [[British Waterways Act 1988]] c. xxv
* [[City of Glasgow District Council Order Confirmation Act 1988]] c. xxx
* [[City of Westminster  Act 1988]] c. viii
* [[Corn Exchange Act 1988]] c. x
* [[County of South Glamorgan (Taff Crossing) Act 1988]] c. xxvi
* [[Dartmouth-Kingswear Floating Bridge Act 1988]] c. xvi
* [[Eastbourne Harbour Act 1988]] c. xxi
* [[Felixstowe Dock and Railway Act 1988]] c. xiv
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) Act 1988]] c. i
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) (No.2) Act 1988]] c. ii
* [[Harwich Harbour Act 1988]] c. xxxiv
* [[Harwich Parkeston Quay Act 1988]] c. xxviii
* [[Hastings Borough Council Act 1988]] c. vii
* [[Highland Region (Lochinver Harbour) Order Confirmation Act 1988]] c. xx
* [[Imperial College Act 1988]] c. xxiv
* [[Keble College London Act 1988]] c. iv
* [[Liverpool Exchange Act 1988]] c. ix
* [[Newcastle-upon-Tyne Town Moor Act 1988]] c. xxxi
* [[Northampton Act 1988]] c. xxix
* [[Saint Bennet Fink Burial Ground (City of London) Act 1988]] c. xiii
* [[Scottish Development Agency (Oban South Pier) Order Confirmation Act 1988]] c. xv
* [[Selwyn College Cambridge Act 1988]] c. v
* [[South Yorkshire Light Rail Transit Act 1988]] c. xvii
* [[Southern Water Authority Act 1988]] c. xxxiii
* [[St. Bennet Fink Burial Ground (City of London) Act 1988]] c. 
* [[Tor Bay Harbour (Oxen Cove and Coastal Footpath, Brixham) Act 1988]] c. xxii
* [[University College London Act 1988]] c. iii
* [[University of Wales College of Cardiff Act 1988]] c. xxiii
* [[Whitchurch Bridge Act 1988]] c. vi

==1989==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Antarctic Minerals Act 1989]] c. 21
* [[Appropriation Act 1989]] c. 25
* [[Atomic Energy Act 1989]] c. 7
* [[Brunei (Appeals) Act 1989]] c. 36
* [[Children Act 1989]] c. 41
* [[Civil Aviation (Air Navigation Charges) Act 1989]] c. 9
* [[Common Land (Rectification of Registers) Act 1989]] c. 18
* [[Companies Act 1989]] c. 40
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1989]] c. 2
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1989]] c. 46
* [[Continental Shelf Act 1989]] c. 35
* [[Control of Pollution (Amendment) Act 1989]] c. 14
* [[Control of Smoke Pollution Act 1989]] c. 17
* [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1989]] c. 30
* [[Disabled Persons (Northern Ireland) Act 1989]] c. 10
* [[Dock Work Act 1989]] c. 13
* [[Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989]] c. 3
* [[Electricity Act 1989]] c. 29
* [[Employment Act 1989]] c. 38
* [[Extradition Act 1989]] c. 33
* [[Fair Employment (Northern Ireland) Act 1989]] c. 32
* [[Finance Act 1989]] c. 26
* [[Football Spectators Act 1989]] c. 37
* [[Hearing Aid Council (Amendment) Act 1989]] c. 12
* [[Human Organ Transplants Act 1989]] c. 31
* [[International Parliamentary Organisations (Registration) Act 1989]] c. 19
* [[Law of Property (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1989]] c. 34
* [[Licensing (Amendment) Act 1989]] c. 20
* [[Local Government and Housing Act 1989]] c. 42
* [[National Maritime Museum|National Maritime Museum Act 1989]] c. 8
* [[Official Secrets Act 1989]] c. 6
* [[Opticians Act 1989]] c. 44
* [[Parking Act 1989]] c. 16
* [[Pesticides (Fees and Enforcement) Act 1989]] c. 27
* [[Petroleum Royalties (Relief) and Continental Shelf Act 1989]] c. 1
* [[Police Officers (Central Service) Act 1989]] c. 11
* [[Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1989]] c. 4
* [[Prisons (Scotland) Act 1989]] c. 45
* [[Representation of the People Act 1989]] c. 28
* [[Road Traffic (Driver Licensing and Information Systems) Act 1989]] c. 22
* [[Security Service Act 1989]] c. 5
* [[Self-Governing Schools etc. (Scotland) Act 1989]] c. 39
* [[Social Security Act 1989]] c. 24
* [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1989]] c. 43
* [[Transport (Scotland) Act 1989]] c. 23
* [[Water Act 1989]] c. 15

===Local Acts===

* [[Associated British Ports (Hull) Act 1989]] c. x
* [[Avon Light Rail Transit Act 1989]] c. iv
* [[British Railways Act 1989]] c. iii
* [[British Railways (Penalty Fares) Act 1989]] c. xvii
* [[Hayle Harbour Act 1989]] c. xii
* [[International Westminster Bank Act 1989]] c. xvi
* [[Kingston-upon-Hull City Council Act 1989]] c. vi
* [[London Docklands Railway (Beckton) Act 1989]] c. ix
* [[London Regional Transport Act 1989]] c. ii
* [[London Regional Transport (No.2) Act 1989]] c. xi
* [[Midland Metro Act 1989]] c. xv
* [[Port of Tyne Act 1989]] c. i
* [[Queen Mary and Westfield College Act 1989]] c. xiii
* [[Scottish Episcopal Clergy Widows' and Orphans' Fund Order Confirmation Act 1989]] c. xviii
* [[Scrabster Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1989]] c. v
* [[South Yorkshire Light Rail Transit Act 1989]] c. xix
* [[Tees (Newport) Bridge Act 1989]] c. vii
* [[Tyne and Wear Passenger Transport Act 1989]] c. xiv
* [[Wesleyan Assurance Society Act 1989]] c. viii

=== 1990 &amp;ndash; 1999 ===

==1990==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Access to Health Records Act 1990]] c. 23
* [[Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) Act 1990]] c. 15
* [[Appropriation Act 1990]] c. 28
* [[Australian Constitution (Public Record Copy) Act 1990]] c. 17
* [[Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990]] c. 31
* [[British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1990]] c. 34
* [[Broadcasting Act 1990]] c. 42
* [[Caldey Island Act 1990]] c. 44
* [[Capital Allowances Act 1990]] c. 1
* [[Civil Aviation Authority (Borrowing Powers) Act 1990]] c. 2
* [[Coal Industry Act 1990]] c. 3
* [[Computer Misuse Act 1990]] c. 18
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1990]] c. 4
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1990]] c. 46
* [[Contracts (Applicable Law) Act 1990]] c. 36
* [[Courts and Legal Services Act 1990]] c. 41
* [[Criminal Justice (International Co-operation) Act 1990]] c. 5
* [[Education (Student Loans) Act 1990]] c. 6
* [[Employment Act 1990]] c. 38
* [[Enterprise and New Towns (Scotland) Act 1990]] c. 35
* [[Entertainments (Increased Penalties) Act 1990]] c. 20
* [[Environmental Protection Act 1990]] c. 43
* [[Finance Act 1990]] c. 29
* [[Food Safety Act 1990]] c. 16
* [[Gaming (Amendment) Act 1990]] c. 26
* [[Greenwich Hospital Act 1990]] c. 13
* [[Government Trading Act 1990]] c. 30
* [[Horses (Protective Headgear for Young Riders) Act 1990]] c. 25
* [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990]] c. 37
* [[Import and Export Control Act 1990]] c. 45
* [[Landlord and Tenant (Licensed Premises) Act 1990]] c. 39
* [[Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1990]] c. 40
* [[Licensing (Low Alcohol Drinks) Act 1990]] c. 21
* [[Marriage (Registration of Buildings) Act 1990]] c. 33
* [[National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990]] c. 19
* [[Pakistan Act 1990]] c. 14
* [[Pensions (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1990]] c. 7
* [[Planning (Consequential Provisions) Act 1990]] c. 11
* [[Planning (Hazardous Substances) Act 1990]] c. 10
* [[Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) Act 1990]] c. 9
* [[Property Services Agency and Crown Suppliers Act 1990]] c. 12
* [[Representation of the People Act 1990]] c. 32
* [[Rights of Way Act 1990]] c. 24
* [[Social Security Act 1990]] c. 27
* [[Term and Quarter Days (Scotland) Act 1990]] c. 22
* [[Town and Country Planning Act 1990]] c. 8

===Local Acts===

* [[Associated British Ports Act 1990]] c. xxi
* [[Birmingham City Council Act 1990]] c. xiii
* [[British Film Institute Southbank Act 1990]] c. xii
* [[British Railways Act 1990]] c. xxv
* [[British Railways Order Confirmation Act 1990]] c. x
* [[Bromley London Borough Council Act 1990]] c. xvii
* [[Buckinghamshire County Council Act 1990]] c. v
* [[City of Dundee District Council Order Confirmation Act 1990]] c. xxviii
* [[City of London (Spitalfields Market) Act 1990]] c. ix
* [[City of London (Various Powers) Act 1990]] c. xxiv
* [[Fraserburgh Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1990]] c. xxxii
* [[Great Yarmouth Port Authority Act 1990]] c. xxvi
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) Act 1990]] c. xv
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) (No.2) Act 1990]] c. xxiii
* [[Happisburgh Lighthouse Act 1990]] c. xvi
* [[Hasmonean High School Act 1990]] c. xx
* [[Hythe Marina Village (Southampton) Wavescreen Act 1990]] c. iii
* [[Isle of Wight Act 1990]] c. iv
* [[London Local Authorities Act 1990]] c. vii
* [[London Local Authorities (No.2) Act 1990]] c. xxx
* [[Medway Tunnel Act 1990]] c. xxii
* [[New Southgate Cemetery and Crematorium Limited Act 1990]] c. ii
* [[Nottingham Park Estate Act 1990]] c. xiv
* [[Penzance Albert Pier Extension Act 1990]] c. viii
* [[Penzance South Pier Extension Act 1990]] c. xxvi
* [[Port of Tyne Act 1990]] c. xxxi
* [[River Tees Barrage and Crossing Act 1990]] c. xix
* [[South Yorkshire Light Rail Transit Act 1990]] c. xviii
* [[St. George's Hill, Weybridge, Estate Act 1990]] c. i
* [[Strathclyde Regional Council Order Confirmation Act 1990]] c. xi
* [[United Medical and Dental Schools Act 1990]] c. vi
* [[Zetland Masonic Sick and Widows and Orphans Fund Order Confirmation Act 1990]] c. xxix

==1991==

===Public General Acts===

* [[Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991]] c. 50
* [[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991]] c. 55
* [[Agriculture and Forestry (Financial Provisions) Act 1991]] c. 33
* [[Appropriation Act 1991]] c. 32
* [[Armed Forces Act 1991]] c. 62
* [[Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Act 1991]] c. 41
* [[Atomic Weapons Establishment Act 1991]] c. 46
* [[Badgers Act 1991]] c. 36
* [[Badgers (Further Protection) Act 1991]] c. 35
* [[Breeding of Dogs Act 1991]] c. 64
* [[British Railways Board (Finance) Act 1991]] c. 63
* [[British Technology Group Act 1991]] c. 66
* [[Caravans (Standard Community Charge and Rating) Act 1991]] c. 2
* [[Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991]] c. 6
* [[Children and Young Persons (Protection from Tobacco) Act 1991]] c. 23
* [[Child Support Act 1991]] c. 48
* [[Civil Jurisdiction and Judgments Act 1991]] c. 12
* [[Coal Mining Subsidence Act 1991]] c. 45
* [[Community Charges (General Reduction) Act 1991]] c. 9
* [[Community Charges (Substitute Setting) Act 1991]] c. 8
* [[Consolidated Fund Act 1991]] c. 7
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1991]] c. 10
* [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1991]] c. 68
* [[Criminal Justice Act 1991]] c. 53
* [[Criminal Procedure (Insanity and Unfitness to Plead) Act 1991]] c. 25
* [[Crofter Forestry (Scotland) Act 1991]] c. 18
* [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]] c. 65
* [[Deer Act 1991]] c. 54
* [[Development Board for Rural Wales Act 1991]] c. 1
* [[Disability Living Allowance and Disability Working Allowance Act 1991]] c. 21
* [[Export and Investment Guarantees Act 1991]] c. 67
* [[Finance Act 1991]] c. 31
* [[Football (Offences) Act 1991]] c. 19
* [[Foreign Corporations Act 1991]] c. 44
* [[Forestry Act 1991]] c. 43
* [[Land Drainage Act 1991]] c. 59
* [[Local Government Finance Act (Publicity for Auditors' reports) Act 1991]] c. 15
* [[Local Government Finance and Valuation Act 1991]] c. 51
* [[Namibia Act 1991]] c. 4
* [[Maintenance Enforcement Act 1991]] c. 17
* [[Medical Qualifications (Amendment) Act 1991]] c. 38
* [[Mental Health (Detention) (Scotland) Act 1991]] c. 47
* [[Ministerial and Other Pensions and Saleries Act 1991]] c. 5
* [[Motor Vehicles (Safety Equipment for Children) Act 1991]] c. 14
* [[Natural Heritage (Scotland) Act 1991]] c. 28
* [[New Roads and Street Works Act 1991]] c. 22
* [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1991]] c. 24
* [[Overseas Superannuation Act 1991]] c. 16
* [[Planning and Compensation Act 1991]] c. 34
* [[Ports Act 1991]] c. 52
* [[Property Misdescriptions Act 1991]] c. 29
* [[Radioactive Material (Road Transport) Act 1991]] c. 27
* [[Registered Homes (Amendment) Act 1991]] c. 20
* [[Representation of the People Act 1991]] c. 11
* [[Road Traffic Act 1991]] c. 40
* [[Road Traffic (Temporary Resitrictions) Act 1991]] c. 26
* [[School Teachers' Pay and Conditions Act 1991]] c. 49
* [[Smoke Detectors Act 1991]] c. 37
* [[Social Security (Contributions) Act 1991]] c. 42
* [[Statute Law Revision (Isle of Man) Act 1991]] c. 61
* [[Statutory Sick Pay Act 1991]] c. 3
* [[Statutory Water Companies Act 1991]] c. 58
* [[War Crimes Act 1991]] c. 13
* [[Water Consolidation (Consequential Provisions) Act 1991]] c. 60
* [[Water Industry Act 1991]] c. 56
* [[Water Resources Act 1991]] c. 57
* [[Welfare of Animals at Slaughter Act 1991]] c. 30
* [[Welsh Development Agency Act 1991]] c. 69
* [[Wildlife and Countryside (Amendment) Act 1991]] c. 39

===Local Acts===

* [[Adelphi Estate Act 1991]] c. vi
* [[Birmingham City Council Act 1991]] c. xvii
* [[Brighton Marine Palace and Pier Act 1991]] c. xv
* [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] c. xix
* [[Commercial and Private Bank Act 1991]] c. xxii
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) Act 1991]] c. xvi
* [[Heathrow Express Railway Act 1991]] c. vii
* [[Heathrow Express Railway (No. 2) Act 1991]] c. ix
* [[Highland Regional Council (Harbours) Order Confirmation Act 1991]] c. xii
* [[Killingholme Generating Stations (Ancillary Powers) Act 1991]] c. viii
* [[Llanelli Borough Council (Dafen Estuary) Act 1991]] c. xi
* [[London Docklands Railway Act 1991]] c. xxiii
* [[London Local Authorities Act 1991]] c. xiii
* [[London Underground (Safety Measures) Act 1991]] c. xviii
* [[London Underground (Victoria) Act 1991]] c. x
* [[Midland Metro (Penalty Fares) Act 1991]] c. ii
* [[North Yorkshire County Council Act 1991]] c. xiv
* [[Shard Bridge Act 1991]] c. v
* [[Smith Kline &amp; French Laboratories, Australia, and Menley &amp; James, Australia, Act 1991]] c. i
* [[Standard Life Assurance Company Act 1991]] c.iii
* [[Strathclyde Regional Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] c. xx
* [[Tay Road Bridge Order Confirmation Act 1991]] c. iv
* [[Torquay Market Act 1991]] c. xxi

==1992==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1992]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1992 and 1993. || 1992 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Stamp Duty (Temporary Provisions) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision conferring temporary relief from stamp duty and provision for payments by the Commissioners of Inland Revenue in respect of instruments already stamped. || 1992 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Severn Bridges Act 1992]] || An Act to provide for the construction of a new bridge over the Severn Estuary between England and Wales and roads leading to the new bridge and associated works; to make provision for the levying of tolls in respect of use of the existing Severn bridge and the new bridge; to make other provision for and in connection with the operation of the bridges; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to social security contributions and benefits with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 1992 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Administration Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the administration of social security and related matters with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.  || 1992 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Consequential Provisions) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision for repeals, consequential amendments, transitional and transitory matters and savings in connection with the consolidation of enactments in the [[Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992]] and the [[Social Security Administration Act 1992]] (including provisions to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission). || 1992 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Contributions and Benefits (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate for Northern Ireland certain enactments relating to social security contributions and benefits, with corrections and minor improvements under the [[Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949]]. || 1992 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Administration (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate for Northern Ireland certain enactments relating to the administration of social security and related matters, with corrections and minor improvements under the [[Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949]]. || 1992 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Consequential Provisions) (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision for repeals, consequential amendments, transitional and transitory matters and savings in connection with the consolidation of enactments in the [[Social Security Contributions and Benefits (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]] and the [[Social Security Administration (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]] with corrections and minor improvements under the [[Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949]]. || 1992 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Bingo Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the [[Gaming Act 1968]] with respect to bingo; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Aggravated Vehicle-Taking Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to persons who commit offences under section 12(1) of the [[Theft Act 1968]] in relation to a mechanically propelled vehicle where additional circumstances are present relating to the driving of or damage to the vehicle.  || 1992 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Taxation of Chargeable Gains Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the taxation of chargeable gains. || 1992 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Further and Higher Education Act 1992]] || An Act to make new provision about further and higher education. || 1992 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Finance Act 1992]] || An Act to provide for certain local authorities to levy and collect a new tax, to be called council tax; to abolish community charges; to make further provision with respect to local government finance (including provision with respect to certain grants by local authorities); and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Offshore Safety Act 1992]] || An Act to extend the application of Part I of the [[Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974]]; to increase the penalties for certain offences under that Part; to confer powers for preserving the security of supplies of petroleum and petroleum products; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the [[Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1979]]; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Coal Industry Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision for extending the duration of, and increasing the limit on, grants under section 3 of the [[Coal Industry Act 1987]] and to repeal the [[Coal Mines Regulation Act 1908]]. || 1992 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Licensing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the provisions of the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976]] relating to the transfer of licences; and for connected purposes.  || 1992 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Act 1992]] || An Act to make new provision, by giving effect to proposals in [[Cm. 1599 (The Citizen's Charter)]] relating to publicity and competition, for securing economy, efficiency and effectiveness in the manner in which local authorities carry on certain activities; and to make new provision in relation to local government in England for effecting structural, boundary and electoral changes. || 1992 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1992]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1992 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1992]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1991 and 1992. || 1992 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1992]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1992 and 31st March 1993, to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament, and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1992 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Access to Neighbouring Land Act 1992]] || An Act to enable persons who desire to carry out works to any land which are reasonably necessary for the preservation of that land to obtain access to neighbouring land in order to do so; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1992 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Offshore Safety (Protection Against Victimisation) Act 1992]] || An Act to protect employees working on offshore installations against victimisation when acting as safety representatives or members of safety committees. || 1992 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Prison Security Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision for an offence of prison mutiny and for a new offence and new penalties in connection with escapes from prison. || 1992 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Tourism (Overseas Promotion) (Wales) Act 1992]] || An Act to enable the Wales Tourist Board to carry on abroad activities to promote tourism to and within Wales. || 1992 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Corporate Bodies Act 1992]] || An Act to establish corporate bodies to hold land and perform other functions for the benefit of the Houses of Parliament; to make provision for and in connection with the transfer of certain property, rights and liabilities to those corporate bodies; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1992 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Medicinal Products: Prescription by Nurses etc. Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to medicinal products prescribed or otherwise ordered by registered nurses, midwives and health visitors. || 1992 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Still-Birth (Definition) Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the law in respect of the definition of still-birth; to make certain consequential amendments of the law; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Traffic Calming Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision about the carrying out on highways of works affecting the movement of vehicular and other traffic for the purposes of promoting safety and of preserving or improving the environment; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Firearms (Amendment) Act 1992]] || An Act to empower the Secretary of State to extend the period for which firearm and shot gun certificates are granted or renewed. || 1992 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Cheques Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the law relating to cheques. || 1992 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Mortgage Interest Payments) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision for requiring, in certain cases where interest on a loan secured on land is payable by a person who is entitled, or whose partner, former partner or qualifying associate is entitled, to income support, the applicable amount in respect of which includes a sum in respect of that interest, that a part of the benefits to which any of those persons is entitled under the enactments relating to social security shall be paid directly to the lender and applied towards the discharge of the liability in respect of the interest; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1992 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to anonymity in connection with allegations of, and criminal proceedings relating to, certain sexual offences. || 1992 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Timeshare Act 1992 (repealed)]] || An Act to provide for rights to cancel certain agreements about timeshare accommodation. || 1992 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Sea Fisheries (Wildlife Conservation) Act 1992]] || An Act to require appropriate Ministers and relevant bodies to have regard to the conservation of flora and fauna in the discharge of their functions under the Sea Fisheries Acts. || 1992 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 1992]] || An Act to make new provision about further and higher education in Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Education (Schools) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the inspection of schools and with respect to information about schools and their pupils. || 1992 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Army Act 1992]] || An Act to provide for members of the Ulster Defence Regiment to cease to be members of that Regiment at the end of June 1992; to provide for the amendment of section 2 of the [[Armed Forces Act 1966]] in relation to service in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Friendly Societies Act 1992]] || An Act to make further provision for friendly societies; to provide for the cessation of registration under the [[Friendly Societies Act 1974]]; to make provision about disputes involving friendly societies or other bodies registered under the Friendly Societies Act 1974 and about the functions of the Chief Registrar of friendly societies; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Charities Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the [[Charities Act 1960]] and make other provision with respect to charities; to regulate fund-raising activities carried on in connection with charities and other institutions; to make fresh provision with respect to public charitable collections; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Transport and Works Act 1992]] || An Act to provide for the making of orders relating to, or to matters ancillary to, the construction or operation of railways, tramways, trolley vehicle systems, other guided transport systems and inland waterways, and orders relating to, or to matters ancillary to, works interfering with rights of navigation; to make further provision in relation to railways, tramways, trolley vehicle systems and other guided transport systems; to amend certain enactments relating to harbours; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Competition and Service (Utilities) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to standards of performance and service to customers in relation to the telecommunications, gas supply, electricity supply, water supply and sewerage service industries; to make provision with respect to complaints by, and disputes with, customers in those industries; to make provision with respect to the powers of the regulators of those industries and with respect to related matters; to make provision with respect to the payment of deposits by customers of certain telecommunications operators; to make further provision for facilitating effective competition in certain of those industries; to make provision with respect to mergers of water or sewerage undertakers; to make provision with respect to compliance orders against public gas suppliers; to make a minor correction in section 98 of the [[Water Industry Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Museums and Galleries Act 1992]] || An Act to establish Boards of Trustees of the National Gallery, the Tate Gallery, the National Portrait Gallery and the Wallace Collection; to transfer property to them and confer functions on them; to make new provision as to transfers to and between the collections of certain museums, galleries and libraries; to make provision for and in connection with the vesting of land in the governing bodies of such institutions; to make provision for the financing of such institutions and of the Museums and Galleries Commission; to make further provision with respect to the giving of indemnities against the loss of, or damage to, objects on loan to certain institutions; to change the name of, and to make further provision with respect to, the British Museum (Natural History); and to amend certain enactments relating to museums, galleries and libraries; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1992 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Mauritius Republic Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision in connection with Mauritius becoming a republic within the Commonwealth. || 1992 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating Act 1992]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to non-domestic rating for the period beginning with 11th March 1992 and ending with 31st March 1995; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1992]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1993 and to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament. || 1992 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1992]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1992 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Community Care (Residential Accommodation) Act 1992]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the making of arrangements under section 21 of the [[National Assistance Act 1948]] for the provision of residential accommodation in premises managed by persons other than local authorities. || 1992 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Carriage of Goods by Sea Act 1992]] || An Act to replace the [[Bills of Lading Act 1855]] with new provision with respect to bills of lading and certain other shipping documents. || 1992 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Badgers Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Badgers Act 1973]], the [[Badgers Act 1991]] and the [[Badgers (Further Protection) Act 1991]]. || 1992 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate the enactments relating to collective labour relations, that is to say, to trade unions, employers' associations, industrial relations and industrial action. || 1992 c. 52 || 
|-
| [[Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1992]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Tribunals and Inquiries Act 1971]] and certain other enactments relating to tribunals and inquiries. || 1992 c. 53 || 
|-
| [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Disclosure of Information) Act 1992]] || An Act to relax the restrictions on the disclosure of information imposed by section 33(5) of the [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990]]. || 1992 c. 54 || 
|-
| [[Boundary Commissions Act 1992]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the membership of the Boundary Commissions, the timing of their reports and the local government boundaries of which account is to be taken in their reports. || 1992 c. 55 || 
|-
| [[Maintenance Orders (Reciprocal Enforcement) Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the [[Maintenance Orders (Facilities for Enforcement) Act 1920]] and the [[Maintenance Orders (Reciprocal Enforcement) Act 1972]]; and for connected purposes. || 1992 c. 56 || 
|-
| [[Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) (Amendment) Act 1992]] || An Act to extend the maximum period for which an order under section 3 of the [[Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985]] may remain in force. || 1992 c. 57 || 
|-
| [[Car Tax (Abolition) Act 1992]] || An Act to abolish car tax. || 1992 c. 58 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1992]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1993 and 1994. || 1992 c. 59 || 
|-
| [[Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1992]] || An Act to amend the law relating to licences under sections 4 and 4A of the [[Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1967]]. || 1992 c. 60 || 
|-
| [[Civil Service (Management Functions) Act 1992]] || An Act to make provision with respect to functions relating to the management of Her Majesty's Home Civil Service; and to make provision about parliamentary procedure in relation to legislation for Northern Ireland making corresponding provision with respect to the Northern Ireland Civil Service. || 1992 c. 61 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Aberdeen Harbour Order Confirmation Act 1992]] c. ii
* [[Aire and Calder Navigation Act 1992]] c. iv
* [[Avon Weir Act 1992]] c. v
* [[British Railways Act 1992]] c. i
* [[British Railways (No. 2) Act 1992]] c. xi
* [[Cattewater Reclamation Act 1992]] c. xiv
* [[City of Bristol (Portishead Docks) Act 1992]] c. xxi
* [[Durham Markets Company Act 1992]] c. xx
* [[Folkestone Harbour Act 1992]] c. vi
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) Act 1992]] c. xviii
* [[Llanelli Borough Council (River Lliedi) Act 1992]] c. xix
* [[London Regional Transport (Penalty Fares) Act 1992]] c. xvi
* [[London Underground Act 1992]] c. iii
* [[Mersey Docks and Harbour Act 1992]] c. x
* [[Midland Metro Act 1992]] c. vii
* [[Midland Metro (No. 2) Act 1992]] c. viii
* [[Peterhead Harbours Order Confirmation Act 1992]] c. xii
* [[Pittenweem Harbour Order Confirmation Bill 1992]] c. ix
* [[Price's Patent Candle Company Limited Act 1992]] c. xvii
* [[River Humber (Upper Pyewipe Outfall) Act 1992]] c. xv
* [[Ulster Bank Act 1992]] c. xiii

==1993==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Gas (Exempt Supplies) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend section 5 of the [[Gas Act 1986]]; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[British Coal and British Rail (Transfer Proposals) Act 1993]] || An Act to confer powers on the British Coal Corporation and the British Railways Board to act in relation to proposals for the transfer of any of their functions, property, rights or liabilities to any other body or person; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Act 1993]] || An Act to amend sections 3 and 85 of the [[Social Security Act 1986]], to provide for the making of certain payments into the National Insurance Fund, and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1993]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1993. || 1993 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Damages (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to clarify and amend the law of Scotland concerning the right of certain relatives of a deceased person, and the right of executors, to claim damages in respect of the death of the deceased from personal injuries; to make provision regarding solatium where personal injuries result in loss of expectation of life; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]]; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1993]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1992 and 1993. || 1993 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Judicial Pensions and Retirement Act 1993]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the pensions and other benefits payable in respect of service in certain judicial, and related, offices and in certain senior public investigative offices; to amend the law relating to the date on which the holders of certain judicial, and related, offices are required to vacate those offices; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1993 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend the law of Scotland with respect to the detention, transfer and release of persons serving sentences of imprisonment etc. or committed or remanded in custody; to make further provision as regards evidence and procedure in criminal proceedings in Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Charities Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Charitable Trustees Incorporation Act 1872]] and, except for certain spent or transitional provisions, the [[Charities Act 1960]] and Part I of the [[Charities Act 1992]]. || 1993 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Clean Air Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Clean Air Act 1956|Clean Air Acts 1956]] and [[Clean Air Act 1968|1968]] and certain related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 1993 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Radioactive Substances Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to radioactive substances with corrections and minor improvements made under the [[Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949]]. || 1993 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Carrying of Knives etc. (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to provide, as respects Scotland, for it to be an offence to have in a public place an article with a blade or point; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Disability (Grants) Act 1993]] || An Act to provide for the making of grants by the Secretary of State and the Department of Health and Social Services for Northern Ireland to the Independent Living (Extension) Fund, the Independent Living (1993) Fund and Motability. || 1993 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Animals (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to increase the penalties for certain offences under the Protection of Animals (Scotland) Act 1912. || 1993 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Foreign Compensation (Amendment) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend the [[Foreign Compensation Act 1950]] so as to extend the powers to make Orders in Council under section 3 of that Act; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating Act 1993]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to non-domestic rating for the period beginning with 1st April 1993 and ending with 31st March 1995; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Reinsurance (Acts of Terrorism) Act 1993]] || An Act to provide for the payment out of money provided by Parliament or into the Consolidated Fund of sums referable to reinsurance liabilities entered into by the Secretary of State in respect of loss or damage to property resulting from or consequential upon acts of terrorism and losses consequential on such loss or damage. || 1993 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Trade Union Reform and Employment Rights Act 1993]] || An Act to make further reforms of the law relating to trade unions and industrial relations; to make amendments of the law relating to employment rights and to abolish the right to statutory minimum remuneration; to amend the law relating to the constitution and jurisdiction of industrial tribunals and the Employment Appeal Tribunal; to amend section 56A of the [[Sex Discrimination Act 1975]]; to provide for the Secretary of State to have functions of securing the provision of careers services; to make further provision about employment and training functions of Scottish Enterprise and of Highlands and Islands Enterprise; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Licensing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend section 23(2) of the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976]] in relation to certain planning certificates. || 1993 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Osteopaths Act 1993]] || An Act to establish a body to be known as the General Osteopathic Council; to provide for the regulation of the profession of osteopathy, including making provision as to the registration of osteopaths and as to their professional education and conduct; to make provision in connection with the development and promotion of the profession; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Merchant Shipping (Registration, etc.) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend and restate the law relating to the registration of ships and related matters, to make provision in relation to ships on bareboat charter and to make amendments designed to facilitate, or otherwise desirable in connection with, the consolidation of the enactments relating to shipping and seamen. || 1993 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Asylum and Immigration Appeals Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision about persons who claim asylum in the United Kingdom and their dependants; to amend the law with respect to certain rights of appeal under the [[Immigration Act 1971]]; and to extend the provisions of the [[Immigration (Carriers' Liability) Act 1987]] to transit passengers. || 1993 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Video Recordings Act 1993]] || An Act to amend the [[Video Recordings Act 1984]] and, so far as it relates to evidence by certificate in respect of offences under the 1984 Act, the [[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980]]. || 1993 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Overseas Assistance) Act 1993]] || An Act to enable local authorities in Great Britain to provide advice and assistance as respects matters in which they have skill and experience to bodies engaged outside the United Kingdom in the carrying on of any of the activities of local government. || 1993 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Bail (Amendment) Act 1993]] || An Act to confer upon the prosecution a right of appeal against decisions to grant bail. || 1993 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Amendment) Act 1993]] || An Act to amend section 11 of the [[Local Government Act 1966]] to permit grants to be made to local authorities making special provisions in exercising their functions, in consequence of the presence within their areas of persons belonging to ethnic minorities; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993]] || An Act to confer rights to collective enfranchisement and lease renewal on tenants of flats; to make further provision with respect to enfranchisement by tenants of houses; to make provision for auditing the management, by landlords or other persons, of residential property and for the approval of codes of practice relating thereto; to amend Parts III and IV of the [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1987]]; to confer jurisdiction on leasehold valuation tribunals as respects Crown land; to make provision for rendering void agreements preventing the occupation of leasehold property by persons with mental disorders; to amend Parts II, IV and V of the [[Housing Act 1985]], Schedule 2 to the [[Housing Associations Act 1985]], Parts I and III and sections 248 and 299 of the [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1987]], Part III of the [[Housing Act 1988]], and Part VI of the [[Local Government and Housing Act 1989]]; to make provision with respect to certain disposals requiring consent under Part II of the [[Housing Act 1985]], including provision for the payment of a levy; to alter the basis of certain contributions by the Secretary of State under section 569 of that Act; to establish and confer functions on a body to replace the English Industrial Estates Corporation and to be known as the Urban Regeneration Agency; to provide for the designation of certain urban and other areas and to make provision as to the effect of such designation; to amend section 23 of the [[Land Compensation Act 1961]], section 98 of the [[Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980]] and section 27 of the [[Housing and Planning Act 1986]]; to make further provision with respect to urban development corporations and urban development areas; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Representation of the People Act 1993]] || An Act to secure that members of the regular army who, except for the purposes of training, are required to serve only in Northern Ireland are not regarded as members of the forces for the purposes of the [[Representation of the People Act 1983]]. || 1993 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences Act 1993]] || An Act to abolish the presumption of criminal law that a boy under the age of fourteen is incapable of sexual intercourse. || 1993 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic (Driving Instruction by Disabled Persons) Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision for enabling persons with certain physical disabilities to be authorised, in certain circumstances, to give paid instruction in the driving of motor cars; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1993 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[European Communities (Amendment) Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the [[Treaty on European Union]] signed at Maastricht on 7th February 1992. || 1993 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1993]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1994, to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament, and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1993 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1993]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1993 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 1993]] || An Act to amend the law about education. || 1993 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision about the jurisdiction of courts in England and Wales in relation to certain offences of dishonesty and blackmail; to amend the law about drug trafficking offences and to implement provisions of the [[Community Council Directive No. 91/308/EEC]]; to amend Part VI of the [[Criminal Justice Act 1988]]; to make provision with respect to the financing of terrorism, the proceeds of terrorist-related activities and the investigation of terrorist activities; to amend Part I of the [[Criminal Justice Act 1991]]; to implement provisions of the [[Community Council Directive No. 89/592/EEC]] and to amend and restate the law about insider dealing in securities; to provide for certain offences created by the [[The Banking Coordination (Second Council Directive) Regulations 1992|Banking Coordination (Second Council Directive) Regulations 1992]] to be punishable in the same way as offences under sections 39, 40 and 41 of the [[Banking Act 1987]] and to enable regulations implementing Article 15 of the [[Community Council Directive No. 89/646/EEC]] and Articles 3, 6 and 7 of the [[Community Council Directive No. 92/30/EEC]] to create offences punishable in that way; to make provision with respect to the penalty for causing death by dangerous driving or causing death by careless driving while under the influence of drink or drugs; to make it an offence to assist in or induce certain conduct which for the purposes of, or in connection with, the provisions of Community law is unlawful in another member State; to provide for the introduction of safeguards in connection with the return of persons under backing of warrants arrangements; to amend the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1975]] and Part I of the [[Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993]]; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision about milk marketing; to make provision about potato marketing; to provide for the payment of grants in connection with the marketing of certain commodities; to terminate national price support arrangements for wool and potatoes; to provide for the publication of an annual report on matters relevant to price support; to amend the [[Industrial Organisation and Development Act 1947]] in relation to agriculture; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Welsh Language Act 1993]] || An Act to establish a Board having the function of promoting and facilitating the use of the Welsh language, to provide for the preparation by public bodies of schemes giving effect to the principle that in the conduct of public business and the administration of justice in Wales the English and Welsh languages should be treated on a basis of equality, to make further provision relating to the Welsh language, to repeal certain spent enactments relating to Wales, and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[National Lottery etc. Act 1993]] || An Act to authorise lotteries to be promoted as part of a National Lottery; to make provision with respect to the running and regulation of that National Lottery and with respect to the distribution of its net proceeds; to increase the membership and extend the powers of the Trustees of the National Heritage Memorial Fund; to amend section 1 of the [[Revenue Act 1898]] and the [[Lotteries and Amusements Act 1976]]; to amend the law relating to pool betting; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Noise and Statutory Nuisance Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision for noise in a street to be a statutory nuisance; to make provision with respect to the operation of loudspeakers in a street; to make provision with respect to audible intruder alarms; to make provision for expenses incurred by local authorities in abating, or preventing the recurrence of, a statutory nuisance to be a charge on the premises to which they relate; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1993]] || An Act to give effect to a Decision of the Council of the European Communities, [[93/81/Euratom, ECSC, EEC]], of 1st February 1993 having the effect of increasing the number of United Kingdom representatives to be elected to the European Parliament; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Cardiff Bay Barrage Act 1993]] || An Act to provide for the construction by the Cardiff Bay Development Corporation of a barrage across the mouth of Cardiff Bay with an outer harbour and for related works; to make provision for the acquisition and use of land for the works; to make provision about the operation and management of the barrage, the outer harbour and the water impounded by the barrage; to make provision for dealing with property damage resulting from any alteration of groundwater levels which may occur in consequence of the construction of the barrage; to enable other protective provisions to be made; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Railways Act 1993]] || An Act to provide for the appointment and functions of a Rail Regulator and a Director of Passenger Rail Franchising and of users' consultative committees for the railway industry and for certain ferry services; to make new provision with respect to the provision of railway services and the persons by whom they are to be provided or who are to secure their provision; to make provision for and in connection with the grant and acquisition of rights over, and the disposal or other transfer and vesting of, any property, rights or liabilities by means of which railway services are, or are to be, provided; to amend the functions of the British Railways Board; to make provision with respect to the safety of railways and the protection of railway employees and members of the public from personal injury and other risks arising from the construction or operation of railways; to make further provision with respect to transport police; to make provision with respect to certain railway pension schemes; to make provision for and in connection with the payment of grants and subsidies in connection with railways and in connection with the provision of facilities for freight haulage by inland waterway; to make provision in relation to tramways and other guided transport systems; and for connected purposes. || 1993 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Crofters (Scotland) Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to crofting, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Scottish Law Commission. || 1993 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Land Court Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the constitution and proceedings of the Scottish Land Court; and to repeal provisions of the [[Crofters Holdings (Scotland) Act 1886]] relating to the Scottish Land Court which are no longer of practical utility. || 1993 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Health Service Commissioners Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate the enactments relating to the Health Service Commissioners for England, for Wales and for Scotland with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 1993 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Probation Service Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the probation service and its functions and to arrangements for persons on bail and the rehabilitation of offenders, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission. || 1993 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Pension Schemes Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to pension schemes with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 1993 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Pension Schemes (Northern Ireland) Act 1993]] || An Act to consolidate for Northern Ireland certain enactments relating to pension schemes, with corrections and minor improvements under the [[Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949]]. || 1993 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1993]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility, and to make other provision in connection with the repeal of those enactments; and to correct a mistake in the [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1978]]. || 1993 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[European Economic Area Act 1993]] || An Act to make provision in relation to the European Economic Area established under the [[Agreement on the European Economic Area|Agreement signed at Oporto on 2nd May 1992]] as adjusted by the [[Protocol Adjusting the Agreement on the European Econmic Area|Protocol signed at Brussels on 17th March 1993]]. || 1993 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 3) Act 1993]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1994 and 1995. || 1993 c. 52 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Alliance &amp; Leicester (Girobank) Act 1993]] c. iii
* [[Allied Irish Banks Act 1993]] c. xiv
* [[British Railways Act 1993]] c. iv
* [[Citibank International Act 1993]] c. xvii
* [[Dawat-e-Hadiyah (England) Act 1993]] c. x
* [[Harris Tweed Act 1993]] c. xi
* [[Highland Regional Council (Wester Bridge) Order Confirmation Act 1993]] c. xii
* [[Leeds Supertram Act 1993]] c. xv
* [[London Docklands Railway (Lewisham) Act 1993]] c. vii
* [[London Docklands Railway (Lewisham) (No. 2) 1993]] c. viii
* [[London Underground (Jubilee) Act 1993]] c. ix
* [[London Underground (King's Cross) Act 1993]] c. i
* [[Midland Metro Act 1993]] c. v
* [[Midland Metro (No. 2) Act 1993]] c. vi
* [[Pwllheli Harbour (Amendment) Act 1993]] c. xiii
* [[South Yorkshire Light Rail Transit Act 1993]] c. ii
* [[Unibank Act 1993]] c. xviii
* [[Woodgrange Park Cemetery Act 1993]] c. xvi

==1994== 

===Public General Acts=== 
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
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! Long Title
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! Notes
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| [[Social Security (Contributions) Act 1994]] || An Act to increase primary Class 1 contributions payable under the [[Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992]]; to correct the provisions as to the appropriate national health service allocation in the case of such contributions; to clarify what reliefs are to be taken into account in assessing Class 4 contributions; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Statutory Sick Pay Act 1994]] || An Act to remove the right of employers other than small employers to recover sums paid by them by way of statutory sick pay; to enable the Secretary of State to make further provision by order as to the recovery of such sums; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating Act 1994]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to non-domestic rating for the financial year beginning in 1994 and subsequent financial years; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1994]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1993 and 1994. || 1994 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[New Towns (Amendment) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend Schedule 9 to the [[New Towns Act 1981]]. || 1994 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health (Amendment) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend section 145(1) of the [[Mental Health Act 1983]]. || 1994 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Insolvency Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the [[Insolvency Act 1986]] in relation to contracts of employment adopted by administrators, administrative receivers and certain other receivers; and to make corresponding provision for Northern Ireland. || 1994 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Transport Police (Jurisdiction) Act 1994]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the jurisdiction of transport police. || 1994 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1994]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1994 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Race Relations (Remedies) Act 1994]] || An Act to remove the limit imposed by subsection (2) of section 56 of the [[Race Relations Act 1976]] on the amount of compensation which may be awarded under that section and to make provision for interest in connection with sums so awarded; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic Regulation (Special Events) Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision, in connection with sporting or social events held on roads or entertainments so held, for the restriction or regulation of traffic on roads; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Insolvency (No. 2) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the law relating to company insolvency and winding up, and the insolvency and bankruptcy of individuals, so far as it concerns the adjustment of certain transactions; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Intelligence Services Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision about the Secret Intelligence Service and the Government Communications Headquarters, including provision for the issue of warrants and authorisations enabling certain actions to be taken and for the issue of such warrants and authorisations to be kept under review; to make further provision about warrants issued on applications by the Security Service; to establish a procedure for the investigation of complaints about the Secret Intelligence Service and the Government Communications Headquarters; to make provision for the establishment of an Intelligence and Security Committee to scrutinise all three of those bodies; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1994]] || An Act to include among the matters subject to investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration actions taken in the exercise of administrative functions by the administrative staff of certain tribunals. || 1994 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Antarctic Act 1994]] || An Act to make new provision in connection with the [[Antarctic Treaty]] signed at Washington on 1st December 1959; to make provision consequential on the [[Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty|Protocol on Environmental Protection to that Treaty]] done at Madrid on 4th October 1991; to make provision consequential on the [[Convention on the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources]] drawn up at Canberra on 20th May 1980; to provide for the taking of criminal proceedings against, and the punishment of, British citizens and others in respect of certain acts and omissions occurring in that part of Antarctica that lies between 150° West longitude and 90° West longitude; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[State Hospitals (Scotland) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]] and the [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]] in relation to the provision, control and management of state hospitals in Scotland. || 1994 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Chiropractors Act 1994]] || An Act to establish a body to be known as the General Chiropractic Council; to provide for the regulation of the chiropractic profession, including making provision as to the registration of chiropractors and as to their professional education and conduct; to make provision in connection with the development and promotion of the profession; to amend, and make provision in connection with, the [[Osteopaths Act 1993]]; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Incapacity for Work) Act 1994]] || An Act to provide for incapacity benefit in place of sickness benefit and invalidity benefit; to make provision as to the test of incapacity for work for the purposes of that benefit and other social security purposes; to make provision as to the rate of statutory sick pay; to make other amendments as to certain allowances payable to a person who is or has been incapable of work; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Wales) Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision with respect to local government in Wales. || 1994 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Sunday Trading Act 1994]] || An Act to reform the law of England and Wales relating to Sunday trading; to make provision as to the rights of shop workers under the law of England and Wales in relation to Sunday working; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Coal Industry Act 1994]] || An Act to provide for the establishment and functions of a body to be known as the Coal Authority; to provide for the restructuring of the coal industry, for transfers of the property, rights and liabilities of the British Coal Corporation and its wholly-owned subsidiaries to other persons and for the dissolution of that Corporation; to abolish the Domestic Coal Consumers' Council; to make provision for the licensing of coal-mining operations and provision otherwise in relation to the carrying on of such operations; to amend the [[Coal Mining Subsidence Act 1991]] and the [[Opencast Coal Act 1958]]; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994]] || An Act to consolidate the enactments relating to vehicle excise duty and the registration of vehicles. || 1994 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Value Added Tax Act 1994]] || An Act to consolidate the enactments relating to value added tax, including certain enactments relating to VAT tribunals. || 1994 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1994]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1995; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1994 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Land Drainage Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the [[Land Drainage Act 1991]] in relation to the functions of internal drainage boards and local authorities. || 1994 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Trade Marks Act 1994]] || An Act to make new provision for registered trade marks, implementing [[Council Directive No. 89/104/EEC]] of 21st December 1988 to approximate the laws of the Member States relating to trade marks; to make provision in connection with [[Council Regulation (EC) No. 40/94]] of 20th December 1993 on the Community trade mark; to give effect to the Madrid [[Protocol Relating to the International Registration of Marks]] of 27th June 1989, and to certain provisions of the [[Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property (1883)|Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property]] of 20th March 1883, as revised and amended; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Inshore Fishing (Scotland) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the [[Inshore Fishing (Scotland) Act 1984]] to make provision for the control of fishing in Scottish inshore waters by vehicles or equipment. || 1994 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Merchant Shipping (Salvage and Pollution) Act 1994]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to marine salvage and marine pollution and the discharge of functions of the Secretary of State in connection therewith; and for purposes connected with those purposes. || 1994 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Police and Magistrates' Courts Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision about police areas, police forces and police authorities; to make provision for England and Wales about magistrates' courts committees, justices' clerks and administrative and financial arrangements for magistrates' courts; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision about teacher training and related matters; to make provision with respect to the conduct of students' unions; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Firearms (Amendment) Act 1994]] || An Act to create a new offence of possessing a firearm or imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence; to apply certain provisions of the [[Firearms Act 1968]] to imitation firearms; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Sale of Goods (Amendment) Act 1994]] || An Act to abolish the rule of law relating to the sale of goods in market overt. || 1994 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to criminal justice (including employment in the prison service); to amend or extend the criminal law and powers for preventing crime and enforcing that law; to amend the [[Video Recordings Act 1984]]; and for purposes connected with those purposes. || 1994 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Marriage Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the [[Marriage Act 1949]] so as to enable civil marriages to be solemnized on premises approved for the purpose by local authorities and so as to provide for further cases in which marriages may be solemnized in registration districts in which neither party to the marriage resides; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the sale of goods; to make provision as to the terms to be implied in certain agreements for the transfer of property in or the hire of goods, in hire-purchase agreements and on the exchange of goods for trading stamps and as to the remedies for breach of the terms of such agreements; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Law of Property (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1994]] || An Act to provide for new covenants for title to be implied on dispositions of property; to amend the law with respect to certain matters arising in connection with the death of the owner of property; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Drug Trafficking Act 1994]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Drug Trafficking Offences Act 1986]] and certain provisions of the [[Criminal Justice (International Co-operation) Act 1990]] relating to drug trafficking. || 1994 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Accessions) Act 1994]] || An Act to amend the definition of &quot;the Treaties&quot; and &quot;the Community Treaties&quot; in section 1(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]] so as to include the treaty concerning the accession of the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Austria, the Republic of Finland and the Kingdom of Sweden to the European Union; and to approve that treaty for the purposes of section 6 of the [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978]]. || 1994 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994]] || An Act to make provision with respect to local government and the functions of local authorities; to make amendments in relation to local government finance, local authority accounts and the records of local authorities; to establish a Strathclyde Passenger Transport Authority for the purposes of the [[Transport Act 1968]]; to provide for the establishment of new water and sewerage authorities; to provide for the establishment of a council to represent the interests of customers and potential customers of those new authorities; to provide for the vesting in those new authorities of the property, rights and liabilities of the Central Scotland Water Development Board and of such property, rights and liabilities of regional and islands councils as those councils have as water authorities, as providers of sewerage and in relation to dealing with the contents of sewers; to provide for the dissolution of that Board; to cancel certain obligations to contribute towards expenses which have been incurred by local authorities in making provision for sewerage or disposal of sewage in rural localities; to create an office of Principal Reporter and transfer to him the functions of reporters to children's hearings; to establish a body to facilitate the performance by the Principal Reporter of his functions; to amend the [[Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968]] in relation to children's hearings; to amend the procedure for making byelaws under section 121 of the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]]; to transfer to local authorities responsibility for fixing and reviewing polling districts and polling places in Parliamentary elections; to amend section 21 of the [[Self-Governing Schools etc. (Scotland) Act 1989]]; to amend the law relating to roads and the placing of traffic signs on roads; to make amendments in relation to valuation and rating; to abolish the Scottish Valuation Advisory Council; to empower the Strathclyde Passenger Transport Authority to guarantee certain obligations; to empower local authorities to make grants to ethnic minorities; to confer on local authorities the function of promoting economic development; to provide for the establishment of area tourist boards; to make amendments in relation to lieutenancies; all as respects Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1994 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994]] || An Act to amend, and make provision for the amendment of, statutory provisions and rules of law in order to remove or reduce certain burdens affecting persons in the carrying on of trades, businesses or professions or otherwise, and for other deregulatory purposes; to make further provision in connection with the licensing of operators of goods vehicles; to make provision for and in connection with the contracting out of certain functions vested in Ministers of the Crown, local authorities, certain governmental bodies and the holders of certain offices; and for purposes connected therewith. || 1994 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1994]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1995 and 1996. || 1994 c. 41 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[British Railways Act 1994]] c. iv
* [[British Railways Order Confirmation Act 1994]] c. i
* [[British Railways (No. 2) Order Confirmation Act 1994]] c. ii
* [[British Railways (No. 3) Order Confirmation Act 1994]] c. iii
* [[Church of Scotland (Properties and Investments) Order Confirmation Act 1994]] c. v
* [[Commons Registration (East Sussex) Act 1994]] c. vii
* [[Croydon Tramlink Act 1994]] c. xi
* [[Dunham Bridge (Amendment) Act 1994]] c. viii
* [[Greater Manchester (Light Rapid Transit System) Act 1994]] c. vi
* [[Greater Nottingham Light Rapid Transit Act 1994]] c. xv
* [[Hill Samuel Bank and United Dominions Trust Act 1994]] c. xiv
* [[Lerwick Harbour Act 1994]] c. x
* [[London Docklands Development Corporation Act 1994]] c. xiii
* [[London Local Authorities Act 1994]] c. xii
* [[London Underground (Green Park) Act 1994]] c. ix
* [[University of London Act 1994]] c. xvi

==1995==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[European Communities (Finance) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the definition of &quot;the Treaties&quot; and &quot;the Community Treaties&quot; in section 1(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]] so as to include the decision of 31st October 1994 of the Council on the Communities' system of own resources and so as to remove a spent provision. || 1995 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1995]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1994 and 1995. || 1995 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[South Africa Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the re-admission of South Africa as a member of the Commonwealth. || 1995 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1995]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1995 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Building Societies (Joint Account Holders) Act 1995]] || An Act to secure the rights of second-named account holders in building society joint accounts; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Civil Evidence (Family Mediation) (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the inadmissibility as evidence in civil proceedings in Scotland of information as to what occurred during family mediation. || 1995 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Requirements of Writing (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to reform the law of Scotland with regard to the requirement of writing for certain matters and the formal validity of contractual and other documents and presumptions relating thereto; to abolish any rule of law restricting the proof of any matter to writ or oath and to abolish the procedure of reference to oath; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Agricultural Tenancies Act 1995]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to tenancies which include agricultural land. || 1995 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1995]] || An Act to alter the limits under sections 9A and 10 of the [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1978]]; to make provision in relation to interest on advances to the Commonwealth Development Corporation; and to make provision in relation to the remuneration, pensions and compensation of members of the Corporation. || 1995 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Home Energy Conservation Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the drawing up of local energy conservation reports in relation to residential accommodation; to give the Secretary of State functions in connection therewith; and for related purposes. || 1995 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Proceeds of Crime Act 1995]] || An Act to make further provision for and in relation to the recovery of the proceeds of criminal conduct; to make further provision for facilitating the enforcement of overseas forfeiture and restraint orders; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Carers (Recognition and Services) Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the assessment of the ability of carers to provide care; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic (New Drivers) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision about newly qualified drivers who commit certain offences, including provision with respect to tests of competence to drive. || 1995 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Land Registers (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to make repayment of the appropriate statutory fees a condition of acceptance of writs for recording in the Register of Sasines and of applications for registration in the Land Register of Scotland. || 1995 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Activity Centres (Young Persons' Safety) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the regulation of centres and providers of facilities where children and young persons under the age of 18 engage in adventure activities, including provision for the imposition of requirements relating to safety. || 1995 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Prisoners (Return to Custody) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision, by the creation of an offence and the conferring of powers of entry, for the punishment and return to lawful custody of persons unlawfully at large. || 1995 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Health Authorities Act 1995]] || An Act to abolish Regional Health Authorities, District Health Authorities and Family Health Services Authorities, require the establishment of Health Authorities and make provision in relation to Health Authorities and Special Health Authorities and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Jobseekers Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for a jobseeker's allowance and to make other provision to promote the employment of the unemployed and the assistance of persons without a settled way of life. || 1995 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1995]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1996; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1995 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the criminal justice system of Scotland as respects criminal proceedings, the investigation of offences, the sentences and other disposals applicable in respect of certain offences, legal aid in relation to certain appeals, and the treatment of offenders; to amend the law of Scotland in relation to confiscation of the proceeds of, and forfeiture of property used in, crime; to make further provision as respects Scotland in relation to the preparation of jury lists for the purposes of criminal and civil trials; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Merchant Shipping Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Merchant Shipping Acts 1894 to 1994]] and other enactments relating to merchant shipping. || 1995 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Shipping and Trading Interests (Protection) Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments for the protection of shipping and trading interests. || 1995 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Goods Vehicles (Licensing of Operators) Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate Part V of the [[Transport Act 1968]] and related provisions concerning the licensing of operators of certain goods vehicles. || 1995 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Crown Agents Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the vesting of the property, rights and liabilities of the Crown Agents in a company nominated by the Secretary of State and for the subsequent dissolution of the Crown Agents; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Environment Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the establishment of a body corporate to be known as the Environment Agency and a body corporate to be known as the Scottish Environment Protection Agency; to provide for the transfer of functions, property, rights and liabilities to those bodies and for the conferring of other functions on them; to make provision with respect to contaminated land and abandoned mines; to make further provision in relation to National Parks; to make further provision for the control of pollution, the conservation of natural resources and the conservation or enhancement of the environment; to make provision for imposing obligations on certain persons in respect of certain products or materials; to make provision in relation to fisheries; to make provision for certain enactments to bind the Crown; to make provision with respect to the application of certain enactments in relation to the Isles of Scilly; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the law about pensions and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Geneva Conventions (Amendment) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the amendment of the [[Geneva Conventions Act 1957]] to enable effect to be given to the [[Geneva Convention/Protocol I|Protocols]] additional to the [[Geneva Convention/Fourth Geneva Convention|Geneva Conventions of 1949]] done at Geneva on 10 June 1977; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Sale of Goods (Amendment) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the sale of unascertained goods forming part of an identified bulk and the sale of undivided shares in goods. || 1995 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Insurance Companies (Reserves) Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the maintenance by insurance companies of reserves in respect of certain classes of business; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Landlord and Tenant (Covenants) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for persons bound by covenants of a tenancy to be released from such covenants on the assignment of the tenancy, and to make other provision with respect to rights and liabilities arising under such covenants; to restrict in certain circumstances the operation of rights of re-entry, forfeiture and disclaimer; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Amendment) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision in relation to persons disqualified, or subject to proceedings for disqualification, under section 46 of the [[National Health Service Act 1977]]; to make provision about the constitution of the tribunal under that section; to make corresponding provision for Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Olympic Symbol etc. (Protection) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision about the use for commercial purposes of the Olympic symbol and certain words associated with the Olympic games; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Licensing (Sunday Hours) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the provisions of the [[Licensing Act 1964]] relating to permitted hours in licensed premises and clubs on Sundays and Good Friday; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Child Support Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision with respect to child support maintenance and other maintenance; and to provide for a child maintenance bonus. || 1995 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Appeal Act 1995]] || An Act to amend provisions relating to appeals and references to the Court of Appeal in criminal cases; to establish a Criminal Cases Review Commission and confer functions on, and make other provision in relation to, the Commission; to amend section 142 of the [[Magistrates' Courts Act 1980]] and introduce in Northern Ireland provisions similar to those of that section; to amend section 133 of the [[Criminal Justice Act 1988]]; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Children (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to reform the law of Scotland relating to children, to the adoption of children and to young persons who as children have been looked after by a local authority; to make new provision as respects the relationship between parent and child and guardian and child in the law of Scotland; to make provision as respects residential establishments for children and certain other residential establishments; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Atomic Energy Authority Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the transfer of property, rights and liabilities of the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority to other persons; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Civil Evidence Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the admissibility of hearsay evidence, the proof of certain documentary evidence and the admissibility and proof of official actuarial tables in civil proceedings; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate for Scotland certain enactments creating offences and relating to criminal law there. || 1995 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Procedure (Consequential Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for repeals, consequential amendments, transitional and transitory matters and savings in connection with the consolidation of enactments in the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]], the [[Proceeds of Crime (Scotland) Act 1995]] and the [[Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995]]. || 1995 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Law Reform (Succession) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the distribution of the estates of deceased persons and to make provision about the effect of the dissolution or annulment of marriages on wills and appointments of guardians. || 1995 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Private International Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision about interest on judgment debts and arbitral awards expressed in a currency other than sterling; to make further provision as to marriages entered into by unmarried persons under a law which permits polygamy; to make provision for choice of law rules in tort and delict; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Proceeds of Crime (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate as regards Scotland certain enactments relating to the confiscation of the proceeds of, and forfeiture of property used in, crime. || 1995 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1995]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility, and to make other provision in connection with the repeal of those enactments. || 1995 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Gas Act 1995]] || An Act to amend Parts I and III of the [[Gas Act 1986]]; to make provision for requiring the owners of certain gas processing facilities to make them available to other persons; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to criminal procedure in Scotland. || 1995 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Remission of Sentences) Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the release on licence of persons serving sentences to which section 14 of the [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1991]] applies; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Charities (Amendment) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for the treatment of two or more charities as a single charity for all or any of the purposes of the [[Charities Act 1993]]. || 1995 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Town and Country Planning (Costs of Inquiries etc.) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision authorising or requiring certain local authorities with functions under the enactments relating to Town and Country Planning to make to, or to persons appointed by, certain Ministers of the Crown, or to persons appointed by those authorities, payments in respect of the administrative cost of, or otherwise connected with, certain local inquiries or other hearings, examinations in public, or the consideration of certain objections, under those enactments; to validate the imposition by such Ministers on those authorities of requirements to make such payments, and the making by those authorities of such payments, whether before or after the passing of this Act; to make provision with respect to the remuneration and allowances payable to persons appointed to hold such local inquiries or other proceedings; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Disability Discrimination Act 1995]] || An Act to make it unlawful to discriminate against disabled persons in connection with employment, the provision of goods, facilities and services or the disposal or management of premises; to make provision about the employment of disabled persons; and to establish a National Disability Council. || 1995 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[Medical (Professional Performance) Act 1995]] || An Act to amend the [[Medical Act 1983]] to make provision relating to the professional performance of registered medical practitioners and the voluntary removal of names from the register of medical practitioners; to amend section 42 of that Act; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health (Patients in the Community) Act 1995]] || An Act to make provision for certain mentally disordered patients in England and Wales to receive after-care under supervision after leaving hospital; to provide for the making of community care orders in the case of certain mentally disordered patients in Scotland; to amend the law relating to mentally disordered patients absent without leave or on leave of absence from hospital; and for connected purposes. || 1995 c. 52 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Injuries Compensation Act 1995]] || An Act to provide for the establishment of a scheme for compensation for criminal injuries. || 1995 c. 53 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1995]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1996 and 1997. || 1995 c. 54 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Accommodation Level Crossings Act 1995]] c. viii
* [[Bell's Bridge Order Confirmation Act 1995]] c. iv
* [[Birmingham Assay Office Act 1995]] c. vi
* [[British Waterways Act 1995]] c. i
* [[Church of Scotland (Property and Endowments) Amendment Order Confirmation Act 1995]] c. xi
* [[Letchworth Garden City Heritage Foundation Act 1995]] c. ii
* [[Loch Leven and Lochaber Water Power Order Confirmation Act 1995]] c. vii
* [[London Local Authorities Act 1995]] c. x
* [[Malvern Hills Act 1995]] c. iii
* [[Queen Mary and Westfield College Act 1995]] c. ix
* [[Sheffield Assay Office Act 1995]] c. v

==1996==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Humber Bridge (Debts) Act 1996]] || An Act to confer power on the Secretary of State to provide that sums payable to him by the Humber Bridge Board shall not be so payable. || 1996 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Hong Kong (Overseas Public Servants) Act 1996]] || An Act to confer power to make provision for the making of payments to, and to permit early retirement by, certain Hong Kong overseas public servants; to authorise the provision of resettlement services to certain Hong Kong overseas public servants who retire early; and to confer power to make provision for the making in certain circumstances of payments to supplement pensions and gratuities paid to or in respect of retired overseas public servants in respect of service in Hong Kong. || 1996 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision for the protection of wild mammals from certain cruel acts; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1996]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1995 and 1996. || 1996 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Health Service Commissioners (Amendment) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about the Health Service Commissioners. || 1996 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Chemical Weapons Act 1996]] || An Act to promote the control of chemical weapons and of certain toxic chemicals and precursors; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Prevention of Terrorism (Additional Powers) Act 1996]] || An Act to extend powers of search in connection with acts of terrorism and terrorist investigations; confer powers on constables in relation to areas on which police cordons are imposed in connection with terrorist investigations; and confer powers in connection with the prevention of acts of terrorism to impose prohibitions and restrictions in relation to vehicles on roads. || 1996 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1996]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1996 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Education (Student Loans) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision for, and in consequence of, the payment of subsidy in respect of private sector student loans. || 1996 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Audit (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1996]] || An Act to extend the functions of the Audit Commission for Local Authorities and the National Health Service in England and Wales; to alter the financial year of that Commission and of the Accounts Commission for Scotland; to make provision about the manner of publication of certain information required to be published in pursuance of a direction of either Commission; and to repeal paragraph 5(4) of Schedule 3 to the [[Local Government Finance Act 1982]]. || 1996 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Entry to Negotiations, etc) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision for elections in Northern Ireland for the purpose of providing delegates from among whom participants in negotiations may be drawn; for a forum constituted by those delegates; for referendums in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Rating (Caravans and Boats) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about liability for non-domestic rates in England and Wales in relation to certain caravans and boats. || 1996 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating (Information) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the disclosure by persons who are valuation officers or assessors to other such persons of information connected with non-domestic rating. || 1996 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Reserve Forces Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the reserve forces of the Crown and persons liable to be recalled for permanent service; to amend the provisions of the [[Reserve Forces Act 1980]] relating to the lieutenancies; to amend the law relating to the postponement of the discharge or transfer to the reserve of regular servicemen; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Residual Liabilities) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the transfer of liabilities of certain National Health Service bodies in the event of their ceasing to exist. || 1996 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Police Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate the Police Act 1964, Part IX of the [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]], Chapter I of Part I of the [[Police and Magistrates' Courts Act 1994]] and certain other enactments relating to the police. || 1996 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Employment Tribunals Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate enactments relating to industrial tribunals and the Employment Appeal Tribunal. || 1996 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Employment Rights Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate enactments relating to employment rights. || 1996 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Law Reform (Year and a Day Rule) Act 1996]] || An Act to abolish the &quot;year and a day rule&quot; and, in consequence of its abolition, to impose a restriction on the institution in certain circumstances of proceedings for a fatal offence. || 1996 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Dogs (Fouling of Land) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the fouling of land by dogs. || 1996 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[London Regional Transport Act 1996]] || An Act to extend, and facilitate the exercise of, the powers of London Regional Transport to enter into and carry out agreements; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1996]] || An Act to re-enact, with omissions and amendments, the [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Arbitration Act 1996 (United Kingdom)|Arbitration Act 1996]] || An Act to restate and improve the law relating to arbitration pursuant to an arbitration agreement; to make other provision relating to arbitration and arbitration awards; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Treasure Act 1996]] || An Act to abolish treasure trove and to make fresh provision in relation to treasure. || 1996 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about criminal procedure and criminal investigations. || 1996 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Offensive Weapons Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about persons having knives, other articles which have a blade or are sharply pointed or offensive weapons; and about selling knives or such articles to persons under the age of sixteen years. || 1996 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Family Law Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision with respect to: divorce and separation; legal aid in connection with mediation in disputes relating to family matters; proceedings in cases where marriages have broken down; rights of occupation of certain domestic premises; prevention of molestation; the inclusion in certain orders under the [[Children Act 1989]] of provisions about the occupation of a dwelling-house; the transfer of tenancies between spouses and persons who have lived together as husband and wife; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1996]] || An Act to amend section 2 of the [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1978]] to confer further powers on the Commonwealth Development Corporation; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences (Conspiracy and Incitement) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about conspiracy, or incitement, to commit certain sexual acts outside the United Kingdom. || 1996 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Community Care (Direct Payments) Act 1996]] || An Act to enable local authorities responsible for community care services to make payments to persons in respect of their securing the provision of such services; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Defamation Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the law of defamation and to amend the law of limitation with respect to actions for defamation or malicious falsehood. || 1996 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Trading Schemes Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision in respect of certain trading schemes; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Prisoners' Earnings Act 1996]] || An Act to authorise deductions from or levies on prisoners' earnings; to provide for the application of such deductions or levies; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Marriage Ceremony (Prescribed Words) Act 1996]] || An Act to provide alternatives for the declaration and words of contract prescribed by law for marriage ceremonies in registered buildings and register offices, on approved premises and in certain other circumstances. || 1996 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Security Service Act 1996]] || An Act to give the Security Service the function of acting in support of the prevention and detection of serious crime, and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Licensing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 1976]] to require licensing boards to attach to licences conditions relating to certain events involving music and dancing and to make new provision for the composition of licensing boards for licensing divisions. || 1996 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Noise Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about noise emitted from dwellings at night; about the forfeiture and confiscation of equipment used to make noise unlawfully; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Energy Conservation Act 1996]] || An Act to make further provisions for energy conservation; and for related purposes. || 1996 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Civil Aviation (Amendment) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the [[Civil Aviation Act 1982]] so as to provide for the prosecution of persons committing offences on foreign aircraft while in flight to the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Party Wall etc. Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision in respect of party walls, and excavation and construction in proximity to certain buildings or structures; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Hong Kong (War Wives and Widows) Act 1996]] || An Act to provide for the acquisition of British citizenship by certain women who are Hong Kong residents. || 1996 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Railway Heritage Act 1996]] || An Act to make further provision for and in connection with the preservation of railway records and artefacts. || 1996 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Education (Scotland) Act 1996]] || An Act to provide for the establishment of a body corporate to be known as the Scottish Qualifications Authority; to provide for the transfer of functions, property, rights, liabilities, obligations and staff to that body and for the conferring of other functions on it; to make provision enabling payment of grant to providers of education for children under school age; to amend certain legislation relating to school education in Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Deer (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the [[Deer (Scotland) Act 1959]]; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1996]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1997; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1996 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 1996]] || An Act to continue the [[Army Act 1955]], the [[Air Force Act 1955]] and the [[Naval Discipline Act 1957]]; to amend those Acts and other enactments relating to the armed forces; to make further provision in relation to proceedings before service courts; to provide for the taking of fingerprints and samples from offenders convicted in service proceedings; to amend the [[Courts-Martial (Appeals) Act 1968]]; to make further provision in relation to complaints to industrial tribunals by members of the armed forces; to provide for further exemptions from the [[Firearms Act 1968]]; to make further provision in relation to Greenwich Hospital; to amend the [[Visiting Forces Act 1952]]; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Trusts of Land and Appointment of Trustees Act 1996]] || An Act to make new provision about trusts of land including provision phasing out the [[Settled Land Act 1925]], abolishing the doctrine of conversion and otherwise amending the law about trusts for sale of land; to amend the law about the appointment and retirement of trustees of any trust; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Damages Act 1996]] || An Act to make new provision in relation to damages for personal injury, including injury resulting in death. || 1996 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Asylum and Immigration Act 1996]] || An Act to amend and supplement the [[Immigration Act 1971]] and the [[Asylum and Immigration Appeals Act 1993]]; to make further provision with respect to persons subject to immigration control and the employment of such persons; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Nursery Education and Grant-Maintained Schools Act 1996]] || An Act to provide for the making of grants in respect of nursery education and to permit borrowing by grant-maintained schools. || 1996 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Overpayments) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend section 71 of the [[Social Security Administration Act 1992]] and section 69 of the [[Social Security Administration (Northern Ireland) Act 1992]]. || 1996 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Housing Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about housing, including provision about the social rented sector, houses in multiple occupation, landlord and tenant matters, the administration of housing benefit, the conduct of tenants, the allocation of housing accommodation by local housing authorities and homelessness; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 52 || 
|-
| [[Housing Grants, Construction and Regeneration Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision for grants and other assistance for housing purposes and about action in relation to unfit housing; to amend the law relating to construction contracts and architects; to provide grants and other assistance for regeneration and development and in connection with clearance areas; to amend the provisions relating to home energy efficiency schemes; to make provision in connection with the dissolution of urban development corporations, housing action trusts and the Commission for the New Towns; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 53 || 
|-
| [[Statutory Instruments (Production and Sale) Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision (with retrospective effect) for the printing and sale of statutory instruments under the authority of the Queen's printer, for their issue under the authority of Her Majesty's Stationery Office and for the reception in evidence of lists of such instruments which do not bear the imprint of the Queen's printer. || 1996 c. 54 || 
|-
| [[Broadcasting Act 1996]] || An Act to make new provision about the broadcasting in digital form of television and sound programme services and the broadcasting in that form on television or radio frequencies of other services; to amend the [[Broadcasting Act 1990]]; to make provision about rights to televise sporting or other events of national interest; to amend in other respects the law relating to the provision of television and sound programme services; to provide for the establishment and functions of a Broadcasting Standards Commission and for the dissolution of the Broadcasting Complaints Commission and the Broadcasting Standards Council; to make provision for the transfer to other persons of property, rights and liabilities of the British Broadcasting Corporation relating to their transmission network; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 55 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Education Act 1944]] and certain other enactments relating to education, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission. || 1996 c. 56 || 
|-
| [[School Inspections Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate provisions of the [[Education (Schools) Act 1992]] and Part V of the [[Education Act 1993]], with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission. || 1996 c. 57 || 
|-
| [[Deer (Scotland) Act 1996]] || An Act to consolidate the legislation relating to deer in Scotland. || 1996 c. 58 || 
|-
| [[Public Order (Amendment) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the power of arrest of section 5 of the [[Public Order Act 1986]]. || 1996 c. 59 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1996]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service  of the years ending on 31st March 1997 and 1998. || 1996 c. 60 || 
|-
| [[Channel Tunnel Rail Link Act 1996]] || An Act to provide for the construction, maintenance and operation of a railway between St. Pancras, in London, and the Channel Tunnel portal at Castle Hill, Folkestone, in Kent, together with associated works, and of works which can be carried out in conjunction therewith; to make provision about related works; to provide for the improvement of the A2 at Cobham, in Kent, and of the M2 between junctions 1 and 4, together with associated works; to make provision with respect to compensation in relation to the acquisition of blighted land; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 61 || 
|-
| [[Theft (Amendment) Act 1996]] || An Act to amend the [[Theft Act 1968]] and the [[Theft Act 1978]]; and for connected purposes. || 1996 c. 62 || 
|-
| [[Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office Act 1996]] || An Act to make provision about privileges and immunities in relation to an economic and trade office established in the United Kingdom by the government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region. || 1996 c. 63 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Allied Irish Banks Act 1996]] c. vii
* [[Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Act 1996]] c. ii
* [[Belfast Charitable Society Act 1996]] c. vi
* [[City of Edinburgh Council Order Confirmation Act 1996]] c. x
* [[City of London (Approved Premises for Marriage) Act 1996]] c. iv
* [[City of Westminster Act 1996]] c. viii
* [[Edinburgh Assay Office Order Confirmation Act 1996]] c. i
* [[Edinburgh Merchant Company Order Confirmation Act 1996]] c. xi
* [[Henry Johnson, Sons &amp; Co., Limited Act 1996]] c. v
* [[London Local Authorities Act 1996]] c. ix
* [[Scottish Borders Council (Jim Clark Memorial Rally) Order Confirmation Act 1996]] c. xii
* [[University College London Act 1996]] c. iii
* [[Western Isles Council (Berneray Causeway) Order Confirmation Act 1996]] c. xiii

==1997==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Horserace Totalisator Board Act 1997]] || An Act to confer power on the Horserace Totalisator Board to receive or negotiate bets made otherwise than by way of pool betting. || 1997 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Land Registration Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Land Registration Act 1925]]. || 1997 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) (Amendment) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provisions for fisheries for lobsters and other crustaceans. || 1997 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Telecommunications (Fraud) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Telecommunications Act 1984]] to make further provision for the prevention of fraud in connection with use of a telecommunication system. || 1997 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Firearms Acts 1968 to 1992]]; to make provision in relation to the licensing and regulation of pistol clubs; to make further provision for regulating the possession of, and transactions relating to, firearms and ammunition; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Gaelic Names) (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to enable local authorities in Scotland to take Gaelic names; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision connected with Northern Ireland about the decommissioning of firearms, ammunition and explosives; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to town and country planning in Scotland with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Scottish Law Commission. || 1997 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to special controls in respect of buildings and areas of special architectural or historic interest with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Scottish Law Commission. || 1997 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Hazardous Substances) (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to special controls in respect of hazardous substances with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Scottish Law Commission. || 1997 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Consequential Provisions) (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for repeals, consequential amendments, transitional matters and savings in connection with the consolidation of enactments in the [[Town and Country Planning (Scotland) Act 1997]], the [[Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas) (Scotland) Act 1997]] and the [[Planning (Hazardous Substances) (Scotland) Act 1997]] (including provisions to give effect to recommendations of the Scottish Law Commission). || 1997 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Civil Procedure Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the law about civil procedure in England and Wales; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[United Nations Personnel Act 1997]] || An Act to enable effect to be given to certain provisions of the [[Convention on the Safety of United Nations and Associated Personnel]] adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 9th December 1994. || 1997 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[National Heritage Act 1997]] || An Act to extend the powers of the Trustees of the National Heritage Memorial Fund. || 1997 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1997]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1996 and 1997. || 1997 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1997]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1997 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Evidence (Amendment) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision extending the categories of persons from whom non-intimate body samples may be taken without consent under Part V of the [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]]; and to add a further time limit to those operating for the purposes of section 63A(4)(a) of that Act. || 1997 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Policyholders Protection Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Policyholders Protection Act 1975]]; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Pharmacists (Fitness to Practise) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision about finding registered pharmaceutical chemists unfit to practise due to ill health; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1997]] || An Act to provide for the acquisition of British citizenship by certain British nationals in Hong Kong. || 1997 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Knives Act 1997]] || An Act to create new criminal offences in relation to the possession or marketing of, and publications relating to, knives; to confer powers on the police to stop and search people or vehicles for knives and other offensive weapons and to seize items found; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Architects Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate the enactments relating to architects. || 1997 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Lieutenancies Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the lieutenancies in Great Britain. || 1997 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1979]] and the enactments amending it. || 1997 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Justices of the Peace Act 1997]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Justices of the Peace Act 1979]] and provisions of Part IV of the [[Police and Magistrates' Courts Act 1994]]. || 1997 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Transfer of Crofting Estates (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to enable the Secretary of State to dispose of his crofting estates and certain other property of his in the crofting counties to approved crofting bodies; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Recovery of Benefits) Act 1997]] || An Act to re-state, with amendments, Part IV of the [[Social Security Administration Act 1992]]. || 1997 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Merchant Shipping and Maritime Security Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Merchant Shipping Act 1995]]; to extend the powers of fire authorities to use fire brigades and equipment at sea; to make further provision about the protection of wrecks; to amend Part III of the [[Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990]]; to make provision about piracy; to provide for the continuing application to the International Oil Pollution Compensation Fund of section 1 of the [[International Organisations Act 1968]]; to make provision about the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Local Government and Rating Act 1997]] || An Act to make further provision about non-domestic rating; to make further provision about parishes and parish councils; to confer additional powers on parish councils and community councils; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Police (Property) Act 1997]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to property in the possession of the police. || 1997 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1997]] || Apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1998; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1997 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Building Societies Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Building Societies Act 1986]]; to make provision for amalgamating the Building Societies Investor Protection Board and the Deposit Protection Board into a single board and the Building Societies Investor Protection Fund and the Deposit Protection Fund into a single fund; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Confiscation of Alcohol (Young Persons) Act 1997]] || An Act to permit the confiscation of intoxicating liquor held by or for use by young persons in public and certain other places; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Contract (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to reform the law of Scotland relating to the admissibility of extrinsic evidence to prove an additional term of a contract or unilateral voluntary obligation, to the supersession of a contract by a deed executed in implement of it and to the obtaining of damages for breach of contract of sale; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Legal Services Ombudsman and Commissioner for Local Administration in Scotland Act 1997]] || An Act to make further provision about the Scottish legal services ombudsman; to alter the jurisdiction of the Commissioner for Local Administration in Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Flood Prevention and Land Drainage (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Flood Prevention (Scotland) Act 1961]] in relation to flood prevention measures to be taken by local authorities; to repeal section 11(2) of the [[Land Drainage (Scotland) Act 1930]] and section 8(2) of the [[Land Drainage (Scotland) Act 1941]]; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Welsh Development Agency Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the financial limit in section 18(3) of the [[Welsh Development Agency Act 1975]]. || 1997 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Prisons (Alcohol Testing) Act 1997]] || An Act to enable prisoners in England and Wales, and other persons to whom provisions of the [[Prison Act 1952]] are applied by section 43 of that Act, to be tested for alcohol. || 1997 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences (Protected Material) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for regulating access by defendants and others to certain categories of material disclosed by the prosecution or by the Criminal Cases Review Commission in connection with proceedings relating to certain sexual and other offences. || 1997 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Protection from Harassment Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for protecting persons from harassment and similar conduct. || 1997 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Building Societies (Distributions) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the law in respect of distribution of assets on the take-over or conversion of a building society. || 1997 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Police (Health and Safety) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision about the health, safety and welfare at work of members of police forces, special constables, other persons having the powers or privileges of a constable, and police cadets; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Crime (Sentences) Act 1997]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the treatment of offenders; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the law relating to education in schools and further education in England and Wales; to make provision for the supervision of the awarding of external academic and vocational qualifications in England, Wales and Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Police (Insurance of Voluntary Assistants) Act 1997]] || An Act to provide for the insurance by police authorities and the Receiver for the Metropolitan Police District of persons providing voluntary assistance for police purposes. || 1997 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Primary Care) Act 1997]] || An Act to provide for new arrangements in relation to the provision within the national health service of medical, dental, pharmaceutical and other services; to make provision about medical lists and vacancies and the sale of medical practices; to make provision about the expenditure of Health Authorities and Health Boards; to make provision about ophthalmic services; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Administration (Fraud) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the law relating to social security offences and to make other amendments of the law relating to the administration of social security. || 1997 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Crime and Punishment (Scotland) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision as respects Scotland in relation to criminal appeals, the disposal of offenders, criminal procedure, evidence in criminal proceedings, the treatment and early release of prisoners, offences committed by newly released prisoners, criminal legal assistance, the police, confiscation of alcohol from persons under 18, sex offenders and the payment by the Lord Advocate of grants for the provision of forensic medical services; to enable courts in England and Wales and Northern Ireland to remit offenders to courts in Scotland in certain circumstances; to make amendments consequential upon the provisions of this Act to the law in other parts of the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Public Entertainments Licences (Drug Misuse) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the law about public entertainments licences relating to places at or near which controlled drugs are supplied or used and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Police Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for the National Criminal Intelligence Service and the National Crime Squad; to make provision about entry on and interference with property and with wireless telegraphy in the course of the prevention or detection of serious crime; to make provision for the Police Information Technology Organisation; to provide for the issue of certificates about criminal records; to make provision about the administration and organisation of the police; to repeal certain enactments about rehabilitation of offenders; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[Sex Offenders Act 1997]] || An Act to require the notification of information to the police by persons who have committed certain sexual offences; to make provision with respect to the commission of certain sexual acts outside the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Police and Firemen's Pensions Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Police Pensions Act 1976]] and the [[Fire Services Act 1947]] so as to make provision in respect of transfer values and other lump sum payments and permit police and fire authorities to provide information relating to pension schemes. || 1997 c. 52 || 
|-
| [[Dangerous Dogs (Amendment) Act 1997]] || An Act to amend the [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 53 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic Reduction Act 1997]] || An Act to require local authorities to prepare reports relating to the levels of road traffic in their areas; and for related purposes. || 1997 c. 54 || 
|-
| [[Birds (Registration Charges) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision (including provision having retrospective effect) authorising the Secretary of State to impose charges in respect of registrations effected in accordance with regulations under section 6(2) or 7(1) of the [[Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981]]. || 1997 c. 55 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Private Finance) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision about the powers of National Health Service trusts to enter into agreements. || 1997 c. 56 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 1997]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1998 and to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament. || 1997 c. 57 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 2) Act 1997]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1997 c. 58 || 
|-
| [[Education (Schools) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the ending of the assisted places schemes in England and Wales and in Scotland. || 1997 c. 59 || 
|-
| [[Law Officers Act 1997]] || An Act to enable functions of the Attorney General and of the Attorney General for Northern Ireland to be exercised by the Solicitor General; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 60 || 
|-
| [[Referendums (Scotland and Wales) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on the establishment and tax-varying powers of a Scottish Parliament and a referendum in Wales on the establishment of a Welsh Assembly; and for expenditure in preparation for a Scottish Parliament or a Welsh Assembly. || 1997 c. 61 || 
|-
| [[Ministerial and other Salaries Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision for the alteration of salaries payable under the [[Ministerial and other Salaries Act 1975]]. || 1997 c. 62 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Finance (Supplementary Credit Approvals) Act 1997]] || An Act to permit account to be taken of the reserved part of capital receipts in determining the amount of a supplementary credit approval to be issued to a local authority; and to substitute a power for the existing duty to specify an amortisation period when issuing a supplementary credit approval to a local authority in respect of expenditure treated by the authority as expenditure for capital purposes. || 1997 c. 63 || 
|-
| [[Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997]] || An Act to extend the class of prohibited weapons under the [[Firearms Act 1968]] to include small-calibre pistols. || 1997 c. 64 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Contracts) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision about the powers of local authorities (including probation committees and the Receiver for the Metropolitan Police District) to enter into contracts; to enable expenditure of local authorities making administrative arrangements for magistrates' courts to be treated for some purposes as not being capital expenditure; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 65 || 
|-
| [[Plant Varieties Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision about rights in relation to plant varieties; to make provision about the Plant Varieties and Seeds Tribunal; to extend the time limit for institution of proceedings for contravention of seeds regulations; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 66 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1997]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1998 and 1999. || 1997 c. 67 || 
|-
| [[Special Immigration Appeals Commission Act 1997]] || An Act to establish the Special Immigration Appeals Commission; to make provision with respect to its jurisdiction; and for connected purposes. || 1997 c. 68 || 
|-
| [[Supreme Court (Offices) Act 1997]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the qualification for appointment as, and tenure of office of, Permanent Secretary to the Lord Chancellor and Clerk of the Crown in Chancery. || 1997 c. 69 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Imperial College Act 1997]] c. ii
* [[King's College London Act 1997]] c. iii
* [[Scottish Agricultural College Order Confirmation Act 1997]] c. iv
* [[Southampton International Boat Show Act 1997]] c. i

==1998==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Education (Student Loans) Act 1998]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to public sector student loans. || 1998 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998]] || An Act to amend the law relating to public processions in Northern Ireland; to provide for the establishment and functions of the Parades Commission for Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Greater London Authority (Referendum) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for the holding of a referendum on the establishment of a Greater London Authority and for expenditure in preparation for such an Authority; and to confer additional functions on the Local Government Commission for England in connection with the establishment of such an Authority. || 1998 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1998]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1997 and 1998. || 1998 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Fossil Fuel Levy Act 1998]] || An Act to amend section 33 of the [[Electricity Act 1989]]. || 1998 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Wireless Telegraphy Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about the grant of, and sums payable in respect of, licences under the [[Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949]] other than television licences, and about the promotion of the efficient use and management of the electro-magnetic spectrum for wireless telegraphy; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Nuclear Explosions (Prohibition and Inspections) Act 1998]] || An Act to enable effect to be given to certain provisions of the [[Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty]] adopted in New York on 10th September 1996 and the Protocol to that Treaty; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) Act 1998]] || An Act to rename industrial tribunals and amend the law relating to those tribunals; to amend the law relating to dismissal procedures agreements and other alternative methods of resolving disputes about employment rights; to provide for the adjustment of awards of compensation for unfair dismissal in cases where no use is made of internal procedures for appealing against dismissal; to make provision about cases involving both unfair dismissal and disability discrimination; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1998]] || An Act to postpone the expiry and otherwise make amendments of the [[Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1996]]; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Procedure (Intermediate Diets) (Scotland) Act 1998]] || An Act to amend, with retrospective effect, the law in relation to intermediate diets in summary criminal proceedings in Scotland. || 1998 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Bank of England Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about the constitution, regulation, financial arrangements and functions of the Bank of England, including provision for the transfer of supervisory functions; to amend the [[Banking Act 1987]] in relation to the provision and disclosure of information; to make provision relating to appointments to the governing body of a designated agency under the [[Financial Services Act 1986]]; to amend Schedule 5 to that Act; to make provision relating to the registration of Government stocks and bonds; to make provision about the application of section 207 of the [[Companies Act 1989]] to bearer securities; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Elections) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of the New Northern Ireland Assembly and for the election of its members. || 1998 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Animal Health (Amendment) Act 1998]] || An Act to improve the welfare of animals in quarantine; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision as to the making of decisions and the determination of appeals under enactments relating to social security, child support, vaccine damage payments and war pensions; to make further provision with respect to social security; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Magistrates' Courts (Procedure) Act 1998]] || An Act to amend sections 12 and 13 of the [[Magistrates' Courts Act 1980]]; to make further provision, in relation to certain criminal proceedings in magistrates' courts, about the proof of previous convictions and orders; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Tax Credits (Initial Expenditure) Act 1998]] || An Act to authorise the incurring of expenditure in connection with the replacement of certain social security benefits with income tax credits. || 1998 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Petroleum Act 1998]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments about petroleum, offshore installations and submarine pipelines. || 1998 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Audit Commission Act 1998]] || An Act to consolidate Part III of the [[Local Government Finance Act 1982]] and other enactments relating to the Audit Commission for Local Authorities and the National Health Service in England and Wales. || 1998 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Community Care (Residential Accommodation) Act 1998]] || An Act to restrict the amount of a person's capital which may be taken into account by a local authority in determining whether he should be provided with residential accommodation that would be, or would be treated as, provided under Part III of the [[National Assistance Act 1948]]. || 1998 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision with respect to interest on the late payment of certain debts arising under commercial contracts for the supply of goods or services; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[European Communities (Amendment) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the Treaty signed at Amsterdam on 2nd October 1997 amending the [[Treaty on European Union]], the Treaties establishing the European Communities and certain related Acts. || 1998 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[National Lottery Act 1998]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to the National Lottery; to make provision for and in connection with the establishment of a body corporate to be endowed out of the National Lottery Distribution Fund and to be known as the National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998]] || An Act to protect individuals who make certain disclosures of information in the public interest; to allow such individuals to bring action in respect of victimisation; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) Act 1998]] || An Act to make further provision for road traffic reduction targets; and for related purposes. || 1998 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Registered Establishments (Scotland) Act 1998]] || An Act to add to the classes of establishment which require to be registered under section 61 of the [[Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968]]; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Pesticides Act 1998]] || An Act to amend the [[Food and Environment Protection Act 1985]] in respect of the powers to make regulations concerning pesticides and in respect of the enforcement of provisions relating to the control of pesticides. || 1998 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice (International Co-operation) (Amendment) Act 1998]] || An Act to amend section 12 of the [[Criminal Justice (International Co-operation) Act 1990]]. || 1998 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1998]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1999; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1998 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Data Protection Act 1998]] || An Act to make new provision for the regulation of the processing of information relating to individuals, including the obtaining, holding, use or disclosure of such information. || 1998 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Teaching and Higher Education Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of General Teaching Councils for England and Wales and with respect to the registration, qualifications and training of teachers and the inspection of such training; to make new provision with respect to grants and loans to students in higher or further education and fees payable by them; to make provision with respect to the funding of higher education institutions and certain further education, and other matters relating to further and higher education institutions; to enable the higher and further education funding councils in Scotland to discharge certain functions jointly; to enable young persons to have time off work for study or training; to make provision with respect to the inspection of training and careers services provided in pursuance of arrangements or directions under the [[Employment and Training Act 1973]]; to provide that the Scottish Further Education Funding Council shall be a relevant body for the purposes of section 19(5) of the [[Disability Discrimination Act 1995]]; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[School Standards and Framework Act 1998]] || An Act to make new provision with respect to school education and the provision of nursery education otherwise than at school; to enable arrangements to be made for the provision of further education for young persons partly at schools and partly at further education institutions; to make provision with respect to the Education Assets Board; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Police (Northern Ireland) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about policing in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Landmines Act 1998]] || An Act to promote the control of anti-personnel landmines; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998]] || An Act to provide for the licensing and regulation of private hire vehicles, and drivers and operators of such vehicles, within the metropolitan police district and the City of London; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about the release on licence of certain persons serving sentences of imprisonment in Northern Ireland. || 1998 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1998]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 1998 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Crime and Disorder Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for preventing crime and disorder; to create certain racially-aggravated offences; to abolish the rebuttable presumption that a child is doli incapax and to make provision as to the effect of a child's failure to give evidence at his trial; to abolish the death penalty for treason and piracy; to make changes to the criminal justice system; to make further provision for dealing with offenders; to make further provision with respect to remands and committals for trial and the release and recall of prisoners; to amend Chapter I of Part II of the [[Crime (Sentences) Act 1997]] and to repeal Chapter I of Part III of the [[Crime and Punishment (Scotland) Act 1997]]; to make amendments designed to facilitate, or otherwise desirable in connection with, the consolidation of certain enactments; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Government of Wales Act 1998]] || An Act to establish and make provision about the National Assembly for Wales and the offices of Auditor General for Wales and Welsh Administration Ombudsman; to reform certain Welsh public bodies and abolish certain other Welsh public bodies; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[National Minimum Wage Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with a national minimum wage; to provide for the amendment of certain enactments relating to the remuneration of persons employed in agriculture; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about procedure and forfeiture in relation to offences concerning proscribed organisations, and about conspiracy to commit offences outside the United Kingdom. || 1998 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Competition Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about competition and the abuse of a dominant position in the market; to confer powers in relation to investigations conducted in connection with Article 85 or 86 of the treaty establishing the European Community; to amend the [[Fair Trading Act 1973]] in relation to information which may be required in connection with investigations under that Act; to make provision with respect to the meaning of &quot;supply of services&quot; in the Fair Trading Act 1973; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Human Rights Act 1998]] || An Act to give further effect to rights and freedoms guaranteed under the [[European Convention on Human Rights]]; to make provision with respect to holders of certain judicial offices who become judges of the European Court of Human Rights; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1998]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility, and to make other provision in connection with the repeal of those enactments. || 1998 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Waste Minimisation Act 1998]] || An Act to enable certain local authorities to make arrangements to minimise the generation of waste in their area; and for related purposes. || 1998 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Regional Development Agencies Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision for regional development agencies in England; to make provision about the Development Commission and the Urban Regeneration Agency; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Scotland Act 1998]] || An Act to provide for the establishment of a Scottish Parliament and Administration and other changes in the government of Scotland; to provide for changes in the constitution and functions of certain public authorities; to provide for the variation of the basic rate of income tax in relation to income of Scottish taxpayers in accordance with a resolution of the Scottish Parliament; to amend the law about parliamentary constituencies in Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 1998 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]] || An Act to make new provision for the government of Northern Ireland for the purpose of implementing the agreement reached at multi-party talks on Northern Ireland set out in [[Command Paper 3883]]. || 1998 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Registration of Political Parties Act 1998]] || An Act to make provision about the registration of political parties. || 1998 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 1998]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1999 and 2000. || 1998 c. 49 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[City of Edinburgh (Guided Busways) Order Confirmation Act 1998]] c. iii
* [[Lloyds TSB Act 1998]] c. v
* [[Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council Act 1998]] c. ii
* [[Tamar Bridge Act 1998]] c. iv
* [[Tyne Tunnels Act 1998]] c. i

==1999==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1999]] || An Act to amend the [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978]] so as to alter the method used in Great Britain for electing Members of the European Parliament; to make other amendments of enactments relating to the election of Members of the European Parliament; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Contributions (Transfer of Functions, etc. ) Act 1999]] || An Act to transfer from the Secretary of State to the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or the Treasury certain functions relating to national insurance contributions, the National Insurance Fund, statutory sick pay, statutory maternity pay or pension schemes and certain associated functions relating to benefits; to enable functions relating to any of those matters in respect of Northern Ireland to be transferred to the Secretary of State, the Commissioners of Inland Revenue or the Treasury; to make further provision, in connection with the functions transferred, as to the powers of the Commissioners of Inland Revenue, the making of decisions and appeals; to provide that rebates payable in respect of members of money purchase contracted-out pension schemes are to be payable out of the National Insurance Fund; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision about the recovery from insurers and certain other persons of charges in connection with the treatment of road traffic casualties in national health service, and certain other, hospitals; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 1999]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1998 and 1999. || 1999 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Enterprise Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the financial limits in section 25(2) of the [[Enterprise and New Towns (Scotland) Act 1990]]. || 1999 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Rating (Valuation) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision about valuation for purposes of non-domestic rates in England and Wales. || 1999 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Location of Victims' Remains) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision connected with Northern Ireland about locating the remains of persons killed before 10th April 1998 as a result of unlawful acts of violence committed on behalf of, or in connection with, proscribed organisations; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Health Act 1999]] || An Act to amend the law about the national health service; make provision in relation to arrangements and payments between health service bodies and local authorities with respect to health and health-related functions; confer power to regulate any professions concerned (wholly or partly) with the physical or mental health of individuals; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Water Industry Act 1999]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to England and Wales as to charges in respect of the supply of water and the provision of sewerage services and to make provision in relation to Scotland for the establishment and functions of a Water Industry Commissioner for Scotland; and for connected purposes.  || 1999 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Tax Credits Act 1999]] || At Act to provide for family credit and disability working allowance to be known, respectively, as working families' tax credit and disabled person's tax credit; and to make further provision with respect to those credits, including provision for the transfer of functions relating to them. || 1999 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Breeding and Sale of Dogs (Welfare) Act 1999]] || An Act to amend and extend certain enactments relating to the commercial breeding and sale of dogs; to regulate the welfare of dogs kept in commercial breeding establishments; to extend powers of inspection; to establish records of dogs kept at such establishments; and for connected purposes.  || 1999 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Road Traffic (Vehicle Testing) Act 1999]] || An Act to make further provision about the testing of motor vehicles for the purposes of Part II of the [[Road Traffic Act 1988]]; and for connected purposes.  || 1999 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 1999]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 2000; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 1999 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Children Act 1999]] || An Act to require a list to be kept of persons considered unsuitable to work with children; to extend the power to make regulations under section 218(6) of the Education Reform Act 1988; to make further provision with respect to that list and the list kept for the purposes of such regulations; to enable the protection afforded to children to be afforded to persons suffering from mental impairment; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Trustee Delegation Act 1999]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the delegation of trustee functions by power of attorney and the exercise of such functions by the donee of a power of attorney; and to make provision about the authority of the donee of a power of attorney to act in relation to land. || 1999 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 1999]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance.  || 1999 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Disability Rights Commission Act 1999]] || An Act to establish a Disability Rights Commission and make provision as to its functions; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Adoption (Intercountry Aspects) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision for giving effect to the [[Convention on Protection of Children and Co-operation in respect of Intercountry Adoption]], concluded at the Hague on 29th May 1993; to make further provision in relation to adoptions with an international element; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Company and Business Names (Chamber of Commerce, Etc.) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision concerning the approval of company or business names containing the expression &quot;chamber of commerce&quot; or any related expression; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision about the Commonwealth Development Corporation. || 1999 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Football (Offences and Disorder) Act 1999]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to football-related offences; to make further provision for the purpose of preventing violence or disorder at or in connection with football matches; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Access to Justice Act 1999]] || An Act to establish the Legal Services Commission, the Community Legal Service and the Criminal Defence Service; to amend the law of legal aid in Scotland; to make further provision about legal services; to make provision about appeals, courts, judges and court proceedings; to amend the law about magistrates and magistrates' courts; and to make provision about immunity from action and costs and indemnities for certain officials exercising judicial functions.  || 1999 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999]] || An Act to provide for the referral of offenders under 18 to youth offender panels; to make provision in connection with the giving of evidence or information for the purposes of criminal proceedings; to amend section 51 of the [[Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994]]; to make pre-consolidation amendments relating to youth justice; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Pollution Prevention and Control Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision for implementing Council [[Directive 96/61/EC]] and for otherwise preventing and controlling pollution; to make provision about certain expired or expiring disposal or waste management licences; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Cases Review (Insanity) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision enabling verdicts of guilty but insane to be referred to and reviewed by the Court of Appeal. || 1999 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Employment Relations Act 1999]] || An Act to amend the law relating to employment, to trade unions and to employment agencies and businesses. || 1999 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision imposing on local and certain other authorities requirements relating to economy, efficiency and effectiveness; and to make provision for the regulation of council tax and precepts. || 1999 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Food Standards Act 1999]] || An Act to establish the Food Standards Agency and make provision as to its functions; to amend the law relating to food safety and other interests of consumers in relation to food; to enable provision to be made in relation to the notification of tests for food-borne diseases; to enable provision to be made in relation to animal feedingstuffs; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Greater London Authority Act 1999]] || An Act to establish and make provision about the Greater London Authority, the Mayor of London and the London Assembly; to make provision in relation to London borough councils and the Common Council of the City of London with respect to matters consequential on the establishment of the Greater London Authority; to make provision with respect to the functions of other local authorities and statutory bodies exercising functions in Greater London; to make provision about transport and road traffic in and around Greater London; to make provision about policing in Greater London and to make an adjustment of the metropolitan police district; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision about pensions and social security; to make provision for reducing under-occupation of dwellings by housing benefit claimants; to authorise certain expenditure by the Secretary of State having responsibility for social security; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision for the enforcement of contractual terms by third parties. || 1999 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 1999]] || An Act to authorise hospital managers to continue to hold, expend and dispose of the property of persons to whom section 94(1) of the [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]] no longer applies. || 1999 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Immigration and Asylum Act 1999]] || An Act to make provision about immigration and asylum; to make provision about procedures in connection with marriage on superintendent registrar's certificate; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[House of Lords Act 1999]] || An Act to restrict membership of the House of Lords by virtue of a hereditary peerage; to make related provision about disqualifications for voting at elections to, and for membership of, the House of Commons; and for connected purposes. || 1999 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No.2) Act 1999]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2000 and 2001. || 1999 c. 35 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[City of Westminster Act 1999]] c. i
* [[HFC Bank Act 1999]] c. iv
* [[Imperial College Act 1999]] c. iii
* [[University College London Act 1999]] c. ii

==2000==
===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision for the suspension of devolved government in Northern Ireland and the exercise of certain functions conferred by or under Part V of the [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Representation of the People Act 2000]] || An Act to make new provision with respect to the registration of voters for the purposes of parliamentary and local government elections; to make other provision in relation to voting at such elections; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2000]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1999, 2000 and 2001. || 2000 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Discipline Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the [[Army Act 1955]], the [[Air Force Act 1955]] and the [[Naval Discipline Act 1957]] in relation to custody, the right to elect court-martial trial and appeals against findings made or punishments awarded on summary dealing or summary trial; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Nuclear Safeguards Act 2000]] || An Act to enable effect to be given to the protocol signed at Vienna on 22nd September 1998 additional to the agreement for the application of safeguards in the United Kingdom in connection with the [[Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons]]; to allow effect to be given to that agreement in certain territories outside the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the powers of courts to deal with offenders and defaulters and to the treatment of such persons, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 2000 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Electronic Communications Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision to facilitate the use of electronic communications and electronic data storage; to make provision about the modification of licences granted under section 7 of the [[Telecommunications Act 1984]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Financial Services and Markets Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about the regulation of financial services and markets; to provide for the transfer of certain statutory functions relating to building societies, friendly societies, industrial and provident societies and certain other mutual societies; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Act 2000]] || An Act to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 2001; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2000 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Crown Prosecution Service Inspectorate Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision for inspection of the Crown Prosecution Service. || 2000 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Terrorism Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about terrorism; and to make temporary provision for Northern Ireland about the prosecution and punishment of certain offences, the preservation of peace and the maintenance of order. || 2000 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Limited Liability Partnerships Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision for limited liability partnerships. || 2000 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Royal Parks (Trading) Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about certain offences under section 2 of the [[Parks Regulation (Amendment) Act 1926]]. || 2000 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Care Standards Act 2000]] || An Act to establish a National Care Standards Commission; to make provision for the registration and regulation of children's homes, independent hospitals, independent clinics, care homes, residential family centres, independent medical agencies, domiciliary care agencies, fostering agencies, nurses agencies and voluntary adoption agencies; to make provision for the regulation and inspection of local authority fostering and adoption services; to establish a General Social Care Council and a Care Council for Wales and make provision for the registration, regulation and training of social care workers; to establish a Children's Commissioner for Wales; to make provision for the registration, regulation and training of those providing child minding or day care; to make provision for the protection of children and vulnerable adults; to amend the law about children looked after in schools and colleges; to repeal the [[Nurses Agencies Act 1957]]; to amend Schedule 1 to the [[Local Authority Social Services Act 1970]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Television Licences (Disclosure of Information) Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about the disclosure of certain information for purposes connected with television licences. || 2000 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Carers and Disabled Children Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about the assessment of carers' needs; to provide for services to help carers; to provide for the making of payments to carers and disabled children aged 16 or 17 in lieu of the provision of services to them; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2000]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 2000 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Sea Fishing Grants (Charges) Act 2000]] || An Act to ensure the validity of charges made in the administration of certain grant schemes relating to sea fishing. || 2000 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Child Support, Pensions and Social Security Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the law relating to child support; to amend the law relating to occupational and personal pensions and war pensions; to amend the law relating to social security benefits and social security administration; to amend the law relating to national insurance contributions; to amend Part III of the [[Family Law Reform Act 1969]] and Part III of the [[Family Law Act 1986]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Government Resources and Accounts Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about government resources and accounts; to provide for financial assistance for a body established to participate in public-private partnerships; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Learning and Skills Act 2000]] || An Act to establish the Learning and Skills Council for England and the National Council for Education and Training for Wales, to make other provision about education and training, and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the functions and procedures of local authorities and provision with respect to local authority elections; to make provision with respect to grants and housing benefit in respect of certain welfare services; to amend section 29 of the [[Children Act 1989]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision for and about the interception of communications, the acquisition and disclosure of data relating to communications, the carrying out of surveillance, the use of covert human intelligence sources and the acquisition of the means by which electronic data protected by encryption or passwords may be decrypted or accessed; to provide for Commissioners and a tribunal with functions and jurisdiction in relation to those matters, to entries on and interferences with property or with wireless telegraphy and to the carrying out of their functions by the Security Service, the Secret Intelligence Service and the Government Communications Headquarters; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Census (Amendment) Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars to be required in respect of religion. || 2000 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Football (Disorder) Act 2000]] || An Act to make further provision for the purpose of preventing violence or disorder at or in connection with association football matches; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Postal Services Act 2000]] || An Act to establish the Postal Services Commission and the Consumer Council for Postal Services; to provide for the licensing of certain postal services and for a universal postal service; to provide for the vesting of the property, rights and liabilities of the Post Office in a company nominated by the Secretary of State and for the subsequent dissolution of the Post Office; to make further provision in relation to postal services; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Utilities Act 2000]] || An Act to provide for the establishment and functions of the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority and the Gas and Electricity Consumer Council; to amend the legislation regulating the gas and electricity industries; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Health Service Commissioners (Amendment) Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the [[Health Service Commissioners Act 1993]]. || 2000 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Trustee Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the law relating to trustees and persons having the investment powers of trustees; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Licensing (Young Persons) Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the sale and consumption of intoxicating liquor in cases involving persons under eighteen; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Warm Homes and Energy Conservation Act 2000]] || An Act to require the Secretary of State to publish and implement a strategy for reducing fuel poverty; to require the setting of targets for the implementation of that strategy; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about policing in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Fur Farming (Prohibition) Act 2000]] || An Act to prohibit the keeping of animals solely or primarily for slaughter for the value of their fur; to provide for the making of payments in respect of the related closure of certain businesses; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000]] || An Act to extend further the application of the [[Race Relations Act 1976]] to the police and other public authorities; to amend the exemption under that Act for acts done for the purpose of safeguarding national security; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Children (Leaving Care) Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about children and young persons who are being, or have been, looked after by a local authority; to replace section 24 of the [[Children Act 1989]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Freedom of Information Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision for the disclosure of information held by public authorities or by persons providing services for them and to amend the [[Data Protection Act 1998]] and the [[Public Records Act 1958]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000]] || An Act to make new provision for public access to the countryside; to amend the law relating to public rights of way; to enable traffic regulation orders to be made for the purpose of conserving an area's natural beauty; to make provision with respect to the driving of mechanically propelled vehicles elsewhere than on roads; to amend the law relating to nature conservation and the protection of wildlife; to make further provision with respect to areas of outstanding natural beauty; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Transport Act 2000]] || An Act to make provision about transport. || 2000 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Insolvency Act 2000]] || An Act to amend the law about insolvency; to amend the [[Company Directors Disqualification Act 1986]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act 2000]] || An Act to enable provision to be made for the care, disposal or slaughter of animals to which proceedings under section 1 of the [[Protection of Animals Act 1911]] relate; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000]] || An Act to establish an Electoral Commission; to make provision about the registration and finances of political parties; to make provision about donations and expenditure for political purposes; to make provision about election and referendum campaigns and the conduct of referendums; to make provision about election petitions and other legal proceedings in connection with elections; to reduce the qualifying periods set out in sections 1 and 3 of the [[Representation of the People Act 1985]]; to make pre-consolidation amendments relating to European Parliamentary Elections; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Disqualifications Act 2000]] || An Act to remove the disqualification for membership of the House of Commons and the Northern Ireland Assembly of persons who are members of the legislature of Ireland (the Oireachtas); to disqualify for certain offices which may be held by members of the Northern Ireland Assembly persons who are or become Ministers of the Government of Ireland or chairmen or deputy chairmen of committees of the Dáil Éireann or the Seanad Éireann or of joint committees of the Oireachtas; and to make provision with respect to who may be chairman or deputy chairman of a statutory committee of the Assembly or a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly Commission. || 2000 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000]] || An Act to establish a National Probation Service for England and Wales and a Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service; to make further provision for the protection of children; to make further provision about dealing with persons suspected of, charged with or convicted of offences; to amend the law relating to access to information held under Part III of the [[Road Traffic Act 1988]]; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000]] || An Act to reduce the age at which, and to make provision with respect to the circumstances in which, certain sexual acts are lawful; to make it an offence for a person aged 18 or over to engage in sexual activity with or directed towards a person under that age if he is in a position of trust in relation to that person; and for connected purposes. || 2000 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No.2) Act 2000]] || An Act to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 2001. || 2000 c. 45 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Alliance &amp; Leicester plc (Group Reorganisation) Act 2000]] c. iii
* [[Baxi Partnership Limited Trusts Act 2000]] c.iv
* [[City of Newcastle upon Tyne Act 2000]] c. viii
* [[Comhairle Nan Eilean Siar (Eriskay Causeway) Order Confirmation Act 2000]] c. i
* [[London Local Authorities Act 2000]] c. vii
* [[Railtrack (Waverley Station) Order Confirmation Act 2000]] c. vi
* [[Transport Salaried Staffs' Association (Amendment of Rules) Act 2000]] c. v
* [[United Reformed Church Act 2000]] c. ii

==2001==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2001]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending on 31st March 2002 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2000, 2001 and 2002. || 2001 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Capital Allowances Act 2001]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to capital allowances. || 2001 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Vehicles (Crime) Act 2001]] || An Act to regulate motor salvage operators and registration plate suppliers; to make further provision for preventing or detecting vehicle crime; to enable the Secretary of State to make payments in respect of certain expenditure relating to vehicle crime; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Defence Service (Advice and Assistance) Act 2001]] || An Act to clarify the extent of the duty of the Legal Services Commission under section 13(1) of the [[Access to Justice Act 1999]]. || 2001 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Election Publications Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision for postponing the operation of certain enactments relating to election publications; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Regulatory Reform Act 2001]] || An Act to enable provision to be made for the purpose of reforming legislation which has the effect of imposing burdens affecting persons in the carrying on of any activity and to enable codes of practice to be made with respect to the enforcement of restrictions, requirements or conditions. || 2001 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Elections Act 2001]] || An Act to postpone local elections in England and Wales and Northern Ireland, to require polls for different elections in Northern Ireland to be taken together if they are to be taken on the same day, and to make consequential provision. || 2001 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2001]] || An Act to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament. || 2001 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2001]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with Finance. || 2001 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Special Educational Needs and Disability Act 2001]] ||  Act to amend Part 4 of the [[Education Act 1996]]; to make further provision against discrimination, on grounds of disability, in schools and other educational establishments; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Fraud Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision, for the purposes of the law relating to social security, about the obtaining and disclosure of information; and to make provision for restricting the payment of social security benefits and war pensions in the case of persons convicted of offences relating to such benefits or pensions and about the institution of proceedings for such offences; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Private Security Industry Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision for the regulation of the private security industry. || 2001 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[House of Commons (Removal of Clergy Disqualification) Act 2001]] || An Act to remove any disqualification from membership of the House of Commons that arises by reason of a person having been ordained or being a minister of a religious denomination and to continue the disqualification of Lords Spiritual from such membership. || 2001 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Rating (Former Agricultural Premises and Rural Shops) Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision about non-domestic rating in respect of hereditaments including land or buildings which were formerly agricultural and in respect of food stores in rural settlements. || 2001 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care Act 2001]] ||  Act to amend the law about the national health service; to provide for the exercise of functions by Care Trusts under partnership arrangements under the [[Health Act 1999]] and to make further provision in relation to such arrangements; to make further provision in relation to social care services; to make provision in relation to the supply or other processing of patient information; to extend the categories of appropriate practitioners in relation to prescription-only medicinal products; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision for combatting crime and disorder; to make provision about the disclosure of information relating to criminal matters and about powers of search and seizure; to amend the [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]], the [[The Police and Criminal Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1989|Police and Criminal Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1989]] and the [[Terrorism Act 2000]]; to make provision about the police, the National Criminal Intelligence Service and the National Crime Squad; to make provision about the powers of the courts in relation to criminal matters; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[International Criminal Court Act 2001]] || An Act to give effect to the Statute of the International Criminal Court; to provide for offences under the law of England and Wales and Northern Ireland corresponding to offences within the jurisdiction of that Court; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Children's Commissioner for Wales Act 2001]] || An Act to make further provision about the Children's Commissioner for Wales. || 2001 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 2001]] || An Act to continue the [[Army Act 1955]], the [[Air Force Act 1955]] and the [[Naval Discipline Act 1957]]; to make further provision in relation to the armed forces and the Ministry of Defence Police; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Contributions (Share Options) Act 2001]] || An Act to make provision about the payment of National Insurance Contributions in respect of share options and similar rights obtained by persons as directors or employees during the period beginning with 6th April 1999 and ending with 19th May 2000. || 2001 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No.2) Act 2001]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources and the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the service of the year ending on 31st March 2002 and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament. || 2001 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[European Communities (Finance) Act 2001]] || An Act to amend the definition of &quot;the Treaties&quot; and &quot;the Community Treaties&quot; in section 1(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]] so as to include the decision of 29th September 2000 of the Council on the Communities' system of own resources. || 2001 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Human Reproductive Cloning Act 2001]] || An Act to prohibit the placing in a woman of a human embryo which has been created otherwise than by fertilisation. || 2001 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001]] || An Act to amend the [[Terrorism Act 2000]]; to make further provision about terrorism and security; to provide for the freezing of assets; to make provision about immigration and asylum; to amend or extend the criminal law and powers for preventing crime and enforcing that law; to make provision about the control of pathogens and toxins; to provide for the retention of communications data; to provide for implementation of Title VI of the Treaty on European Union; and for connected purposes. || 2001 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 2001]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending on 31st March 2002 and 2003 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2002 and 2003. || 2001 c. 25 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Alliance &amp; Leicester Group Treasury PLC (Transfer) Act 2001]] c. i
* [[Colchester Borough Council Act 2001]] c. ii
* [[Kent County Council Act 2001]] c. iii
* [[Medway Council Act 2001]] c. iv
* [[National Australia Group Europe Act 2001]] c. v

==2002==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[International Development Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision relating to the provision of assistance for countries outside the United Kingdom; to make provision with respect to certain international financial institutions and the Commonwealth Scholarship Commission; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002]] || An Act to exclude from the operation of the [[Sex Discrimination Act 1975]] and the [[The Sex Discrimination (Northern Ireland) Order 1976|Sex Discrimination (Northern Ireland) Order 1976]] certain matters relating to the selection of candidates by political parties. || 2002 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[European Communities (Amendment) Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the Treaty signed at Nice on 26th February 2001 amending the Treaty on European Union, the Treaties establishing the European Communities and certain related Acts. || 2002 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Travel Concessions (Eligibility) Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the age at which certain persons become eligible to receive travel concessions on journeys on public passenger transport services; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Civil Defence (Grant) Act 2002 (repealed)]] || An Act to replace section 3 of the [[Civil Defence Act 1948]] in so far as it applies to authorities in England or Wales. || 2002 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning (Amendment) Act 2002]] || An Act to provide for the extension of the amnesty period fixed by section 2 of the [[Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning Act 1997]]. || 2002 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Homelessness Act 2002]] || An Act to make further provision about the functions of local housing authorities relating to homelessness and the allocation of housing accommodation; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[British Overseas Territories Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about the name &quot;British overseas territories&quot; and British citizenship so far as relating to the British overseas territories. || 2002 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Land Registration Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about land registration; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2002]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending on 31st March 2002 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2001 and 2002. || 2002 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Office of Communications Act 2002]] || An Act to establish a body corporate to be known as the Office of Communications; and to confer functions in relation to proposals about the regulation of communications on that body, on certain existing regulators and on the Secretary of State. || 2002 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Football (Disorder) (Amendment) Act 2002]] || An Act to amend section 5 of the [[Football (Disorder) Act 2000]]; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Electoral Fraud (Northern Ireland) Act 2002]] || An Act to provide for the supply to the Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland of the signatures, dates of birth and national insurance numbers of electors and persons seeking registration as electors in Northern Ireland and of information relating to their period of residence in Northern Ireland and addresses in respect of which they are or have applied to be registered; for the use of that information in connection with elections in Northern Ireland; for the issue of electoral identity cards by the Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland; for the modification in relation to voters with disabilities of certain rules about voting procedure in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[National Heritage Act 2002]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to the functions of the Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about commonhold land and to amend the law about leasehold property. || 2002 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[State Pension Credit Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with a new social security benefit called state pension credit; and to amend section 47(1) of the [[Pension Schemes Act 1993]]. || 2002 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service Reform and Health Care Professions Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the law about the national health service; to establish and make provision in connection with a Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health; to make provision in relation to arrangements for joint working between NHS bodies and the prison service, and between NHS bodies and local authorities in Wales; to make provision in connection with the regulation of health care professions; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2002]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources and the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the service of the year ending on 31st March 2003; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2002 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, increasing national insurance contributions and for applying the increases towards the cost of the national health service. || 2002 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 2002]] || An Act to enable the law relating to societies registered under the [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965]] to be amended so as to bring it into conformity with certain aspects of the law relating to companies; to amend the procedure whereby such a society may convert itself into, or amalgamate with or transfer its engagements to, a company; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Tax Credits Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision for tax credits; to amend the law about child benefit and guardian's allowance; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Employment Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision for statutory rights to paternity and adoption leave and pay; to amend the law relating to statutory maternity leave and pay; to amend the [[Employment Tribunals Act 1996]]; to make provision for the use of statutory procedures in relation to employment disputes; to amend the law relating to particulars of employment; to make provision about compromise agreements; to make provision for questionnaires in relation to equal pay; to make provision in connection with trade union learning representatives; to amend section 110 of the [[Employment Rights Act 1996]]; to make provision about fixed-term work; to make provision about flexible working; to amend the law relating to maternity allowance; to make provision for work-focused interviews for partners of benefit claimants; to make provision about the use of information for, or relating to, employment and training; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2002]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2002 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 2002]] || An Act to consolidate the [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1978|European Parliamentary Elections Acts 1978]], [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1993|1993]] and [[European Parliamentary Elections Act 1999|1999]]. || 2002 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Copyright, etc. and Trade Marks (Offences and Enforcement) Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the [[Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988]] in respect of criminal offences, search warrants, powers of seizure and orders for forfeiture; to amend the [[Trade Marks Act 1994]] in respect of search warrants and powers of seizure; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about the judiciary in Northern Ireland and to amend section 6 of the [[Appellate Jurisdiction Act 1876]]; to make provision about the law officers and other legal officers and the courts in Northern Ireland; to establish a Public Prosecution Service for Northern Ireland, a Chief Inspector of Criminal Justice in Northern Ireland and a Northern Ireland Law Commission; to amend the law of youth justice in Northern Ireland; to make provision for making available to victims of crime information about the release of offenders in Northern Ireland; to make provision about community safety in Northern Ireland; to amend the law of legal aid in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Divorce (Religious Marriages) Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision enabling a court to require the dissolution of a religious marriage before granting a civil divorce. || 2002 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Export Control Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision enabling controls to be imposed on the exportation of goods, the transfer of technology, the provision of technical assistance overseas and activities connected with trade in controlled goods; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Proceeds of Crime Act 2002]] || An Act to establish the Assets Recovery Agency and make provision about the appointment of its Director and his functions (including Revenue functions), to provide for confiscation orders in relation to persons who benefit from criminal conduct and for restraint orders to prohibit dealing with property, to allow the recovery of property which is or represents property obtained through unlawful conduct or which is intended to be used in unlawful conduct, to make provision about money laundering, to make provision about investigations relating to benefit from criminal conduct or to property which is or represents property obtained through unlawful conduct or to money laundering, to make provision to give effect to overseas requests and orders made where property is found or believed to be obtained through criminal conduct, and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Police Reform Act 2002]] || An Act to make new provision about the supervision, administration, functions and conduct of police forces, police officers and other persons serving with, or carrying out functions in relation to, the police; to amend police powers and to provide for the exercise of police powers by persons who are not police officers; to amend the law relating to anti-social behaviour orders; to amend the law relating to sex offender orders; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act 2002]] || An Act to create offences in respect of unique electronic equipment identifiers of mobile wireless communications devices. || 2002 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about education, training and childcare. || 2002 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act 2002]] || An Act to permit, without infringement of copyright, the transfer of copyright works to formats accessible to visually impaired persons. || 2002 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Employee Share Schemes Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision relating to employee share schemes; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Public Trustee (Liability and Fees) Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the [[Public Trustee Act 1906]] in respect of the liability and fees of the Public Trustee; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act 2002]] || An Act to control the advertising and promotion of tobacco products; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Private Hire Vehicles (Carriage of Guide Dogs etc.) Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision for the carriage of disabled persons accompanied by guide dogs, hearing dogs or other assistance dogs by drivers and operators of private hire vehicles; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Adoption and Children Act 2002]] || An Act to restate and amend the law relating to adoption; to make further amendments of the law relating to children; to amend section 93 of the [[Local Government Act 2000]]; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Commonwealth Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the law with respect to the Commonwealth Institute; to make provision in connection with the admission of Cameroon and Mozambique to the Commonwealth; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Enterprise Act 2002]] || An act to establish and provide for the functions of the Office of Fair Trading, the Competition Appeal Tribunal and the Competition Service; to make provision about mergers and market structures and conduct; to amend the constitution and functions of the Competition Commission; to create an offence for those entering into certain anti-competitive agreements; to provide for the disqualification of directors of companies engaging in certain anti-competitive practices; to make other provision about competition law; to amend the law relating to the protection of the collective interests of consumers; to make further provision about the disclosure of information obtained under competition and consumer legislation; to amend the [[Insolvency Act 1986]] and make other provision about insolvency; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002]] || An Act to make provision about nationality, immigration and asylum; to create offences in connection with international traffic in prostitution; to make provision about international projects connected with migration; and for connected purposes. || 2002 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Animal Health Act 2002]] || An Act to amend the [[Animal Health Act 1981]]. || 2002 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 2002]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending on 31st March 2003 and 2004 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2003 and 2004. || 2002 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2002]] || An Act to modify limits on non-operating appropriations in aid set for the year that ended with 31st March 2002. || 2002 c. 44 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Barclays Group Reorganisation 2002]] c. iv
* [[City of London (Ward Elections) 2002]] c. vi
* [[Greenham and Crookham Commons Act 2002]] c. i
* [[HSBC Investment Banking Act 2002]] c. iii
* [[Land at Palace Avenue, Kensington (Acquisition of Freehold) Act 2002]] c. ii
* [[Milford Haven Port Authority 2002]] c. v

==2003==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
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|-
| [[Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to income tax on employment income, pension income and social security income; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2003]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending on 31st March 2002 and 2003 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 2002 and 2003. || 2003 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Assembly Elections Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the date of the poll for the election of the next Northern Ireland Assembly, and for disregarding certain days for the purposes of the period after a poll within which an Assembly must meet; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Health (Wales) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about Community Health Councils in Wales; to establish and make provision about the Wales Centre for Health; and to make provision for the establishment of, and otherwise about, Health Professions Wales. || 2003 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Community Care (Delayed Discharges etc.) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision requiring social services authorities to make payments in cases where the discharge of patients is delayed for reasons relating to the provision of community care services or services for carers; and to enable the Secretary of State and the National Assembly for Wales to require certain community care services and services for carers provided by social services authorities to be free of charge to persons receiving those services. || 2003 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about policing in Northern Ireland and the exercise of police powers in Northern Ireland by persons who are not police officers; and to amend the [[The Police and Criminal Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1989|Police and Criminal Evidence (Northern Ireland) Order 1989]]. || 2003 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[European Parliament (Representation) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision enabling alterations to be made to the total number of Members of the European Parliament to be elected for the United Kingdom and to their distribution between the electoral regions; to make provision for and in connection with the establishment of an electoral region including Gibraltar for the purposes of European Parliamentary elections; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[National Minimum Wage (Enforcement Notices) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision enabling an enforcement notice under section 19 of the [[National Minimum Wage Act 1998]] to impose a requirement under subsection (2) of that section in relation to a person, whether or not a requirement under subsection (1) of that section is, or may be, imposed in relation to that or any other person; and to limit the pay reference periods in respect of which a requirement under subsection (2) of that section may be imposed. || 2003 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Electricity (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the provision of financial assistance to, or the acquisition of any securities of or any part of the undertaking or assets of, British Energy p.l.c. or any of its subsidiaries; to provide for the repeal of Part 2 of the [[Electricity Act 1989]]; to amend Schedule 12 to that Act and to make provision for undertakings to make grants under that Schedule to be disregarded for tax purposes. || 2003 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Regional Assemblies (Preparations) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision for the holding of referendums about the establishment of elected assemblies for the regions of England (except London); for reviewing the structure of local government in regions where the holding of a referendum is under consideration; for the holding of referendums about options for implementing the recommendations of such reviews; for implementing the recommendations of such reviews; for the Electoral Commission to give advice in connection with the establishment of assemblies; for payment of grant in connection with the activities of regional chambers; and for incurring expenditure in preparation for assemblies and in connection with the transfer of functions to them. || 2003 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Industrial Development (Financial Assistance) Act 2003]] || An Act to amend section 8(5) of the [[Industrial Development Act 1982]]. || 2003 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Assembly (Elections and Periods of Suspension) Act 2003]] || An Act to make further provision about the election of the next Northern Ireland Assembly; to make further provision about periods when section 1 of the [[Northern Ireland Act 2000]] is in force; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2003]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2004 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2004; to appropriate the further supply authorised in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2003 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2003]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2003 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Co-operatives and Community Benefit Societies Act 2003]] || An Act to enable the law relating to co-operatives and community benefit societies registered under the [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965]] to be amended so as to bring it into conformity with certain aspects of the law relating to companies; to permit a registered society whose business is conducted for the benefit of the community to provide that its assets are dedicated permanently for that purpose; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Marine Safety Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the giving of directions in respect of ships for purposes relating to safety or pollution and about the taking of action to enforce, in connection with, or in lieu of, directions; to make provision about fire-fighting in connection with marine incidents; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Licensing Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the regulation of the sale and supply of alcohol, the provision of entertainment and the provision of late night refreshment, about offences relating to alcohol and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Sunday Working (Scotland) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision as to the rights of shop workers and betting workers under the law of Scotland in relation to Sunday working; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Aviation (Offences) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the enforcement of certain offences connected with aviation. || 2003 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Railways and Transport Safety Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about railways, including tramways; to make provision about transport safety; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Communications Act 2003]] || An Act to confer functions on the Office of Communications; to make provision about the regulation of the provision of electronic communications networks and services and of the use of the electro-magnetic spectrum; to make provision about the regulation of broadcasting and of the provision of television and radio services; to make provision about mergers involving newspaper and other media enterprises and, in that connection, to amend the [[Enterprise Act 2002]]; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Fireworks Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about fireworks and other explosives. || 2003 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[National Lottery (Funding of Endowments) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the funding of endowments from distributions of money out of the National Lottery Distribution Fund; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Deceased Fathers) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the circumstances in which, and the extent to which, a man is to be treated in law as the father of a child where the child has resulted from certain fertility treatment undertaken after the man's death; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Monitoring Commission etc.) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the establishment under international law of an independent commission with monitoring functions in relation to Northern Ireland; to make further provision about exclusion from Ministerial office in Northern Ireland; to make provision about reduction of remuneration of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly; to make provision about reduction of financial assistance under the [[Financial Assistance for Political Parties Act (Northern Ireland) 2000]]; to make provision about censure resolutions of the Northern Ireland Assembly; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about finance, and other provision, in connection with local and certain other authorities; to provide for changing the dates of local elections in 2004; to amend the [[Audit Commission Act 1998]]; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Dealing in Cultural Objects (Offences) Act 2003]] || An Act to provide for an offence of acquiring, disposing of, importing or exporting tainted cultural objects, or agreeing or arranging to do so; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Legal Deposit Libraries Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision in place of section 15 of the [[Copyright Act 1911]] relating to the deposit of printed and similar publications, including on and off line publications; to make provision about the use and preservation of material deposited; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Household Waste Recycling Act 2003]] || An Act to make further provision regarding the collection, composting and recycling of household waste; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Sustainable Energy Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the development and promotion of a sustainable energy policy; to amend the Utilities Act 2000; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003]] || An Act to restate and amend the law relating to female genital mutilation; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision for furthering co-operation with other countries in respect of criminal proceedings and investigations; to extend jurisdiction to deal with terrorist acts or threats outside the United Kingdom; to amend section 5 of the [[Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981]] and make corresponding provision in relation to Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Waste and Emissions Trading Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about waste and about penalties for non-compliance with schemes for the trading of emissions quotas. || 2003 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Act 2003]] || An Act to make further provision relating to the [[Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe]] signed in Paris on 19th November 1990. || 2003 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Accessions) Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the treaty concerning the accession of the Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic to the European Union, signed at Athens on 16th April 2003; and to make provision in relation to the entitlement of nationals of certain acceding States to enter or reside in the United Kingdom as workers. || 2003 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Fire Services Act 2003]] || An Act to confer power to set or modify the conditions of service of members of fire brigades and to give directions to fire authorities. || 2003 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Water Act 2003]] || An Act to amend the [[Water Resources Act 1991]] and the [[Water Industry Act 1991]]; to make provision with respect to compensation under section 61 of the Water Resources Act 1991; to provide for the establishment and functions of the Water Services Regulation Authority and the Consumer Council for Water, and for the abolition of the office of Director General of Water Services; to make provision in connection with land drainage and flood defence; to amend the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]]; to make provision about contaminated land so far as it relates to the pollution of controlled waters; to confer on the Coal Authority functions in relation to the discharge of water from coal mines; to extend the functions of the Environment Agency in relation to the Rivers Esk, Sark and Tweed and their tributaries so far as they are in England; to repeal section 1 of the [[Metropolis Water Act 1852]]; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Anti-social Behaviour Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision in connection with anti-social behaviour. || 2003 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Courts Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about the courts and their procedure and practice; about judges and magistrates; about fines and the enforcement processes of the courts; about periodical payments of damages; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Ragwort Control Act 2003]] || An Act to amend the [[Weeds Act 1959]] in relation to ragwort; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Extradition Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about extradition. || 2003 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]] || An Act to make new provision about sexual offences, their prevention and the protection of children from harm from other sexual acts, and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003]] || An Act to amend the law about the National Health Service; to make provision about quality and standards in the provision of health and social care, including provision establishing the Commission for Healthcare Audit and Inspection and the Commission for Social Care Inspection; to amend the law about the recovery of NHS costs from persons making compensation payments; to provide for the replacement of the Welfare Food Schemes; to make provision about appointments to health and social care bodies; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice Act 2003]] || An Act to make provision about criminal justice (including the powers and duties of the police) and about dealing with offenders; to amend the law relating to jury service; to amend Chapter 1 of Part 1 of the [[Crime and Disorder Act 1998]] and Part 5 of the [[Police Act 1997]]; to make provision about civil proceedings brought by offenders; and for connected purposes. || 2003 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 2003]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2004 and 2005 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2004 and 2005. || 2003 c. 45 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[Hereford Markets Act 2003]] c. iv
* [[London Development Agency Act 2003]] c. i
* [[London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003]] c. iii
* [[Nottingham City Council Act 2003]] c. ii
* [[Transas Group Act 2003]] c. v

==2004==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
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! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2004]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2003 and 2004 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2003 and 2004. || 2004 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[European Parliamentary and Local Elections (Pilots) Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for piloting in certain regions different methods of voting at the European Parliamentary general election in 2004 and at certain local elections held at the same time; and to enable consequential alterations to be made to voting procedures at local elections. || 2004 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions and Statutory Payments Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision relating to the payment and administration of national insurance contributions and the provision of information in connection with the payment of statutory sick pay and statutory maternity pay, and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2004]] || An Act to amend Part 1 of the [[Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002]]; to make further provision concerning the public prosecution service established by that Act; to impose a new duty on certain criminal justice organisations in Northern Ireland in relation to human rights standards; to make provision consequential on the dissolution of the Juvenile Justice Board; to amend the law relating to bail in Northern Ireland; to provide for the transfer of certain prisoners from Northern Ireland to another part of the United Kingdom; to amend section 103 of the [[Terrorism Act 2000]]; to provide for driving while disqualified to be an arrestable offence in Northern Ireland; to re-enact with amendments sections 79 to 81 of the [[Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002]] and make further provision about court security officers in Northern Ireland; to enable barristers in Northern Ireland to enter into contracts for the provision of their services; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Planning and Compulsory Purchase Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision relating to spatial development and town and country planning; and the compulsory acquisition of land. || 2004 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Trust Funds Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about child trust funds and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Gender Recognition Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with change of gender. || 2004 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Higher Education Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about research in the arts and humanities and about complaints by students against institutions providing higher education; to make provision about fees payable by students in higher education; to provide for the appointment of a Director of Fair Access to Higher Education; to make provision about grants and loans to students in higher or further education; to limit the jurisdiction of visitors of institutions providing higher education; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2004]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2005 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2005; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2004 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Age-Related Payments Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for payments by the Secretary of State to persons over the age of 70; and to enable provision to be made for payments by the Secretary of State to persons over the age of 60. || 2004 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Gangmasters (Licensing) Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for the licensing of activities involving the supply or use of workers in connection with agricultural work, the gathering of wild creatures and wild plants, the harvesting of fish from fish farms, and certain processing and packaging; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2004]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2004 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliament (Constituencies) Act 2004]] || An Act to replace Schedule 1 to the [[Scotland Act 1998]] making new provision in relation to the constituencies for the Scottish Parliament. || 2004 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2004]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility, and to make other provision in connection with the repeal of those enactments. || 2004 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Carers (Equal Opportunities) Act 2004]] || An Act to place duties on local authorities and health bodies in respect of carers; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Patents Act 2004]] || An Act to amend the law relating to patents. || 2004 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Health Protection Agency Act 2004]] || An Act to establish the Health Protection Agency and make provision as to its functions. || 2004 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Traffic Management Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the designation of traffic officers and their duties; to make provision in relation to the management of road networks; to make new provision for regulating the carrying out of works and other activities in the street; to amend Part 3 of the [[New Roads and Street Works Act 1991]] and Parts 9 and 14 of the [[Highways Act 1980]]; to make new provision in relation to the civil enforcement of traffic contraventions; to amend section 55 of the [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]]; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc. ) Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about asylum and immigration. || 2004 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for the decommissioning and cleaning up of installations and sites used for, or contaminated by, nuclear activities; to make provision relating to the civil nuclear industry; to make provision about radioactive waste; to make provision for the development, regulation and encouragement of the use of renewable energy sources; to make further provision in connection with the regulation of the gas and electricity industries; to make provision for the imposition of charges in connection with the carrying out of the Secretary of State's functions relating to energy matters; to make provision for giving effect to international agreements relating to pipelines and offshore installations; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about fire and rescue authorities and their functions; to make provision about employment by, and powers of employees of, fire and rescue authorities; to make provision about education and training and pension schemes; to make provision about the supply of water; to make provision about false alarms of fire; to provide for the funding of advisory bodies; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Sustainable and Secure Buildings Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision in relation to matters connected with buildings. || 2004 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Public Audit (Wales) Act 2004]] || An Act to confer further functions on the Auditor General for Wales; to make provision about the audit of accounts of public bodies in Wales and related matters; to make provision about economy, efficiency and effectiveness in relation to public bodies and registered social landlords in Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Employment Relations Act 2004]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the recognition of trade unions and the taking of industrial action; to make provision about means of voting in ballots under the [[Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992]]; to amend provisions of that Act relating to rights of members and non-members of trade unions and to make other provision about rights of trade union members, employees and workers; to make further provision concerning the enforcement of legislation relating to minimum wages; to make further provision about proceedings before and appeals from the Certification Officer; to make further provision about the amalgamation of trade unions; to make provision facilitating the administration of trade unions and the carrying out by them of their functions; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Horserace Betting and Olympic Lottery Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for the sale of the Tote; to make provision for the abolition of the horserace betting levy system; to make provision for the establishment of National Lottery games designed to raise money in connection with the hosting by London of the Olympic Games in 2012; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Christmas Day (Trading) Act 2004]] || An Act to prohibit the opening of large shops on Christmas Day and to restrict the loading or unloading of goods at such shops on Christmas Day. || 2004 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Companies (Audit, Investigations and Community Enterprise) Act 2004]] || An Act to amend the law relating to company auditors and accounts, to the provision that may be made in respect of certain liabilities incurred by a company's officers, and to company investigations; to make provision for community interest companies; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004]] || An Act to amend Part 4 of the [[Family Law Act 1996]], the [[Protection from Harassment Act 1997]] and the [[The Protection from Harassment (Northern Ireland) Order 1997|Protection from Harassment (Northern Ireland) Order 1997]]; to make provision about homicide; to make common assault an arrestable offence; to make provision for the payment of surcharges by offenders; to make provision about alternative verdicts; to provide for a procedure under which a jury tries only sample counts on an indictment; to make provision about findings of unfitness to plead and about persons found unfit to plead or not guilty by reason of insanity; to make provision about the execution of warrants; to make provision about the enforcement of orders imposed on conviction; to amend section 58 of the [[Criminal Justice Act 2003]] and to amend Part 12 of that Act in relation to intermittent custody; to make provision in relation to victims of offences, witnesses of offences and others affected by offences; and to make provision about the recovery of compensation from offenders. || 2004 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Highways (Obstruction by Body Corporate) Act 2004]] || An Act to apply section 314 of the [[Highways Act 1980]] to offences under sections 137 and 137ZA of that Act. || 2004 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Human Tissue Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision with respect to activities involving human tissue; to make provision about the transfer of human remains from certain museum collections; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Children Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of a Children's Commissioner; to make provision about services provided to and for children and young people by local authorities and other persons; to make provision in relation to Wales about advisory and support services relating to family proceedings; to make provision about private fostering, child minding and day care, adoption review panels, the defence of reasonable punishment, the making of grants as respects children and families, child safety orders, the Children's Commissioner for Wales, the publication of material relating to children involved in certain legal proceedings and the disclosure by the Inland Revenue of information relating to children. || 2004 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces (Pensions and Compensation) Act 2004]] || An Act to make new provision for establishing pension and compensation schemes for the armed or reserve forces; to amend the [[Pensions Appeal Tribunals Act 1943]]; to provide for the transfer of the property, rights and liabilities of the Royal Patriotic Fund Corporation to a registered charity; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Civil Partnership Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with civil partnership. || 2004 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Housing Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about housing conditions; to regulate houses in multiple occupation and certain other residential accommodation; to make provision for home information packs in connection with the sale of residential properties; to make provision about secure tenants and the right to buy; to make provision about mobile homes and the accommodation needs of gypsies and travellers; to make other provision about housing; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision relating to pensions and financial planning for retirement and provision relating to entitlement to bereavement payments, and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Civil Contingencies Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about civil contingencies. || 2004 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Hunting Act 2004]] || An Act to make provision about hunting wild mammals with dogs; to prohibit hare coursing; and for connected purposes. || 2004 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund (No. 2) Act 2004]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2005 and 31st March 2006 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2005 and 31st March 2006. || 2004 c. 38 || 
|}

===Local Acts=== 

* [[Ipswich Market Act 2004]] c. iii
* [[London Local Authorities Act 2004]] c. i
* [[Medway Council Act 2004]] c. v
* [[Mersey Tunnels Act 2004]] c. ii
* [[University of Manchester Act 2004]] c. iv
* [[University of Wales, Cardiff Act 2004]] c. vi

==2005==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
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! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Electoral Registration (Northern Ireland) Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision about the registration of electors in Northern Ireland in cases where required information is not provided. || 2005 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005]] || An Act to provide for the making against individuals involved in terrorism-related activity of orders imposing obligations on them for purposes connected with preventing or restricting their further involvement in such activity; to make provision about appeals and other proceedings relating to such orders; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2005]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2004 and 31st March 2005 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2004 and 31st March 2005; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2004 and 31st March 2005. || 2005 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Constitutional Reform Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision for modifying the office of Lord Chancellor, and to make provision relating to the functions of that office; to establish a Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, and to abolish the appellate jurisdiction of the House of Lords; to make provision about the jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council and the judicial functions of the President of the Council; to make other provision about the judiciary, their appointment and discipline; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Income Tax (Trading and Other Income) Act 2005]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to income tax on trading income, property income, savings and investment income and certain other income; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Benefit Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with altering the descriptions of persons in respect of whom a person may be entitled to child benefit. || 2005 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2005]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2005 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2005]] || An Act to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006. || 2005 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Mental Capacity Act 2005]] || An Act to make new provision relating to persons who lack capacity; to establish a superior court of record called the Court of Protection in place of the office of the Supreme Court called by that name; to make provision in connection with the Convention on the International Protection of Adults signed at the Hague on 13th January 2000; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Public Services Ombudsman (Wales) Act 2005]] || An Act to establish and make provision about the office of Public Services Ombudsman for Wales; to make provision about the functions of the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales; to make provision about compensation; to abolish the Commission for Local Administration in Wales and the offices of Welsh Administration Ombudsman, Health Service Commissioner for Wales and Social Housing Ombudsman for Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Commissioners for Revenue and Customs Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision for the appointment of Commissioners to exercise functions presently vested in the Commissioners of Inland Revenue and the Commissioners of Customs and Excise; for the establishment of a Revenue and Customs Prosecutions Office; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Inquiries Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision about the holding of inquiries. || 2005 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Disability Discrimination Act 2005]] || An Act to amend the [[Disability Discrimination Act 1995]]; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Railways Act 2005]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the provision and regulation of railway services; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005]] || An Act to provide for the establishment and functions of the Serious Organised Crime Agency; to make provision about investigations, prosecutions, offenders and witnesses in criminal proceedings and the protection of persons involved in investigations or proceedings; to provide for the implementation of certain international obligations relating to criminal matters; to amend the [[Proceeds of Crime Act 2002]]; to make further provision for combatting crime and disorder, including new provision about powers of arrest and search warrants and about parental compensation orders; to make further provision about the police and policing and persons supporting the police; to make provision for protecting certain organisations from interference with their activities; to make provision about criminal records; to provide for the [[Private Security Industry Act 2001]] to extend to Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005]] || An Act to amend section 6 of the [[Crime and Disorder Act 1998]]; to make provision for the gating of certain minor highways; to make provision in relation to vehicles parked on roads that are exposed for sale or being repaired; to make provision in relation to abandoned vehicles and the removal and disposal of vehicles; to make provision relating to litter and refuse, graffiti, fly-posting and the display of advertisements; to make provision relating to the transportation, collection, disposal and management of waste; to make provision relating to the control of dogs and to amend the law relating to stray dogs; to make provision in relation to noise; to provide for the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment and for the making of grants relating to the quality of the built environment; to amend the law relating to abandoned shopping and luggage trolleys; to amend the law relating to statutory nuisances; to amend section 78L of the [[Environmental Protection Act 1990]]; to amend the law relating to offences under Schedule 1 to the [[Pollution Prevention and Control Act 1999]]; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Drugs Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision in connection with controlled drugs and for the making of orders to supplement anti-social behaviour orders in cases where behaviour is affected by drug misuse or other prescribed factors. || 2005 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision about the inspection of schools, child minding, day care, nursery education and careers services; to make other provision about school education; to make provision about the training of persons who work in schools and other persons who teach, about the supply of personal information for purposes related to education and about the attendance of children at educational provision outside schools; and for connected purposes. || 2005 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Gambling Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision about gambling. || 2005 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[International Organisations Act 2005]] || An Act to make provision about privileges, immunities and facilities in connection with certain international organisations. || 2005 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 3) Act 2005]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2005 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 2) Act 2005]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2005 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2005 (repealed)]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2006 and 31st March 2007 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2006 and 31st March 2007. 9  || 2005 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Regulation of Financial Services (Land Transactions) Act 2005]] || An Act to enable activities relating to certain arrangements involving the acquisition or disposal of land to be regulated under the [[Financial Services and Markets Act 2000]]. || 2005 c. 24 || 
|}

==2006==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about offences involving stirring up hatred against persons on racial or religious grounds. || 2006 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Accessions) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the treaty concerning the accession of the Republic of Bulgaria and Romania to the European Union, signed at Luxembourg on 25th April 2005; and to make provision in relation to the entitlement of nationals of those states to enter or reside in the United Kingdom as workers. || 2006 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Equality Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of the Commission for Equality and Human Rights; to dissolve the Equal Opportunities Commission, the Commission for Racial Equality and the Disability Rights Commission; to make provision about discrimination on grounds of religion or belief; to enable provision to be made about discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation; to impose duties relating to sex discrimination on persons performing public functions; to amend the [[Disability Discrimination Act 1995]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Terrorism (Northern Ireland) Act 2006]] || An Act to provide for Part 7 of the [[Terrorism Act 2000]] to continue in force for a limited period after 18th February 2006 subject to modifications and to authorise the making of provision in connection with its ceasing to have effect; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Transport (Wales) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about transport to, from and within Wales. || 2006 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2006]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2005 and 31st March 2006 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2005 and the further supply authorised in this session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2006. || 2006 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Council Tax (New Valuation Lists for England) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the dates on which new valuation lists for the purposes of council tax must be compiled in relation to billing authorities in England. || 2006 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Merchant Shipping (Pollution) Act 2006]] || An Act to enable effect to be given to the [[Supplementary Fund Protocol 2003]] and to future revisions of the international arrangements relating to compensation for oil pollution from ships; to enable effect to be given to Annex VI of the MARPOL Convention; and to amend section 178(1) of the [[Merchant Shipping Act 1995]]. || 2006 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Defence Service Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about representation funded as part of the Criminal Defence Service. || 2006 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about national insurance contributions in cases where there is a retrospective change to the law relating to income tax and to enable related provision to be made for the purposes of contributory benefits, statutory payments and other matters; to make provision about the disclosure of information in relation to arrangements for the avoidance of national insurance contributions; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Terrorism Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for and about offences relating to conduct carried out, or capable of being carried out, for purposes connected with terrorism; to amend enactments relating to terrorism; to amend the [[Intelligence Services Act 1994]] and the [[Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games that are to take place in London in the year 2012; to amend the [[Olympic Symbol etc. (Protection) Act 1995]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about immigration, asylum and nationality; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Credit Act 2006]] || An Act to amend the [[Consumer Credit Act 1974]]; to extend the ombudsman scheme under the [[Financial Services and Markets Act 2000]] to cover licensees under the Consumer Credit Act 1974; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Identity Cards Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for a national scheme of registration of individuals and for the issue of cards capable of being used for identifying registered individuals; to make it an offence for a person to be in possession or control of an identity document to which he is not entitled, or of apparatus, articles or materials for making false identity documents; to amend the [[Consular Fees Act 1980]]; to make provision facilitating the verification of information provided with an application for a passport; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about bodies concerned with the natural environment and rural communities; to make provision in connection with wildlife, sites of special scientific interest, National Parks and the Broads; to amend the law relating to rights of way; to make provision as to the Inland Waterways Amenity Advisory Council; to provide for flexible administrative arrangements in connection with functions relating to the environment and rural affairs and certain other functions; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for preparations for the restoration of devolved government in Northern Ireland and for the selection of persons to be Ministers on such restoration; to make provision as to the consequences of selecting or not selecting such persons; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Work and Families Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about statutory rights to leave and pay in connection with the birth or adoption of children; to amend section 80F of the [[Employment Rights Act 1996]]; to make provision about workers' entitlement to annual leave; to provide for the increase in the sums specified in section 186(1) and 227(1) of that Act; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change and Sustainable Energy Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the reduction of emissions of greenhouse gases, the alleviation of fuel poverty, the promotion of microgeneration and the use of heat produced from renewable sources, compliance with building regulations relating to emissions of greenhouse gases and the use of fuel and power, the renewables obligation relating to the generation and supply of electricity and the adjustment of transmission charges for electricity; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Children and Adoption Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision as regards contact with children; to make provision as regards family assistance orders; to make provision about risk assessments; to make provision as regards adoptions with a foreign element; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Childcare Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the powers and duties of local authorities and other bodies in England in relation to the improvement of the well-being of young children; to make provision about the powers and duties of local authorities in England and Wales in relation to the provision of childcare and the provision of information to parents and other persons; to make provision about the regulation and inspection of childcare provision in England; to amend Part 10A of the [[Children Act 1989]] in relation to Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Electoral Administration Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision in relation to the registration of electors and the keeping of electoral registration information; standing for election; the administration and conduct of elections and referendums; and the regulation of political parties. || 2006 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[National Lottery Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the National Lottery. || 2006 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No 2) Act 2006]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2007 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2007; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2007; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2006 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2006]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2006 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Commons Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about common land and town or village greens; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Housing Corporation (Delegation) etc. Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the delegation of functions by the Housing Corporation and Housing for Wales and about the validation of things done or evidenced by, and the authentication of the fixing of, their seals. || 2006 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Health Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for the prohibition of smoking in certain premises, places and vehicles and for amending the minimum age of persons to whom tobacco may be sold; to make provision in relation to the prevention and control of health care associated infections; to make provision in relation to the management and use of controlled drugs; to make provision in relation to the supervision of certain dealings with medicinal products and the running of pharmacy premises, and about orders under the [[Medicines Act 1968]] and orders amending that Act under the [[Health Act 1999]]; to make further provision about the National Health Service in England and Wales and about the recovery of National Health Service costs; to make provision for the establishment and functions of the Appointments Commission; to make further provision about the exercise of social care training functions; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Compensation Act 2006]] || An Act to specify certain factors that may be taken into account by a court determining a claim in negligence or breach of statutory duty; to make provision about damages for mesothelioma; and to make provision for the regulation of claims management services. || 2006 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Commissioner for Older People (Wales) Act 2006]] || An Act to establish and make provision about the office of Commissioner for Older People in Wales; to make provision about the functions of the Commissioner for Older People in Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[International Development (Reporting and Transparency) Act 2006]] || An Act to require the Secretary of State to report annually on total expenditure on international aid and on the breakdown of such aid, and in particular on progress towards the target for expenditure on official development assistance to constitute 0.7 per cent of gross national income; to require such reports to contain information about expenditure by country, about the proportion of expenditure in low income countries and about the effectiveness of aid expenditure and the transparency of international aid; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Government of Wales Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about the government of Wales. || 2006 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about registration of electors and the Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland; to amend the [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]; to make provision about donations for political purposes; to extend the amnesty period for arms decommissioning in Northern Ireland; and to make miscellaneous amendments in the law relating to Northern Ireland. || 2006 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Civil Aviation Act 2006]] || An Act to make further provision about civil aviation, including provision about the funding of the Air Travel Trust; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Fraud Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, criminal liability for fraud and obtaining services dishonestly. || 2006 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Wireless Telegraphy Act 2006]] || An Act to consolidate enactments about wireless telegraphy. || 2006 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Costs Act 2006]] || An Act to consolidate the [[House of Commons Costs Taxation Act 1847]], the [[House of Lords Costs Taxation Act 1849]], the [[Parliamentary Costs Act 1865]], the [[Parliamentary Costs Act 1867]], the [[Parliamentary Costs Act 1871]] and the [[House of Commons Costs Taxation Act 1879]], with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 2006 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for reducing and dealing with the abuse of alcohol; to make provision about real and imitation firearms, about ammunition and about knives and other weapons; to amend the [[Football Spectators Act 1989]] and the [[Football (Disorder) Act 2000]]; to amend the [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]] and section 8 of the [[Crime and Disorder Act 1998]]; to amend section 23 of the [[Children and Young Persons Act 1969]]; to amend the [[Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act 2002]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Emergency Workers (Obstruction) Act 2006]] || An Act to make it an offence to obstruct or hinder persons who provide emergency services; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Education and Inspections Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about primary, secondary and further education and about training; to make provision about food or drink provided on school premises or in connection with the provision of education or childcare; to provide for the establishment of an Office for Standards in Education, Children's Services and Skills and the appointment of Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Education, Children's Services and Skills and make provision about the functions of that Office and that Chief Inspector; to provide for the amendment of references to local education authorities and children's services authorities; to amend section 29 of the [[Leasehold Reform Act 1967]] in relation to university bodies; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service Act 2006]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the health service. || 2006 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to the health service. || 2006 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[National Health Service (Consequential Provisions) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for repeals, revocations, consequential amendments, transitional and transitory modifications and savings in connection with the consolidation of enactments in the [[National Health Service Act 2006]] and the [[National Health Service (Wales) Act 2006]]. || 2006 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[NHS Redress Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about arrangements for redress in relation to liability in tort in connection with services provided as part of the health service in England or Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Animal Welfare Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about animal welfare; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Companies Act 2006]] || An Act to reform company law and restate the greater part of the enactments relating to companies; to make other provision relating to companies and other forms of business organisation; to make provision about directors' disqualification, business names, auditors and actuaries; to amend Part 9 of the [[Enterprise Act 2002]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the protection of children and vulnerable adults. || 2006 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Police and Justice Act 2006]] || An Act to establish a National Policing Improvement Agency; to make provision about police forces and police authorities and about police pensions; to make provision about police powers and about the powers and duties of community support officers, weights and measures inspectors and others; to make provision about the supply to the police and others of information contained in registers of death; to make further provision for combatting crime and disorder; to make further provision about certain inspectorates; to amend Part 12 of the [[Criminal Justice Act 2003]]; to amend the [[Computer Misuse Act 1990]]; to make provision about the forfeiture of indecent images of children; to provide for the conferring of functions on the Independent Police Complaints Commission in relation to the exercise of enforcement functions by officials involved with immigration and asylum; to amend the [[Extradition Act 2003]]; to make further provision about the use of live links in criminal proceedings; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 48 || 
|-
| [[Road Safety Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision about road traffic, registration plates, vehicle and driver information, hackney carriages and private hire vehicles, and trunk road picnic areas. || 2006 c. 49 || 
|-
| [[Charities Act 2006]] || An Act to provide for the establishment and functions of the Charity Commission for England and Wales and the Charity Tribunal; to make other amendments of the law about charities, including provision about charitable incorporated organisations; to make further provision about public charitable collections and other fund-raising carried on in connection with charities and other institutions; to make other provision about the funding of such institutions; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 50 || 
|-
| [[Legislative and Regulatory Reform Act 2006]] || An Act to enable provision to be made for the purpose of removing or reducing burdens resulting from legislation and promoting regulatory principles; to make provision about the exercise of regulatory functions; to make provision about the interpretation of legislation relating to the European Communities and the European Economic Area; to make provision relating to section 2(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 51 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision with respect to the armed forces; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 52 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (St Andrews Agreement) Act 2006]] || An Act to make provision for preparations for the restoration of devolved government in Northern Ireland in accordance with the [[St Andrews Agreement]]; to make provision as to the consequences of compliance, or non-compliance, with the St Andrews Agreement timetable; to amend the [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]; to make provision about district policing partnerships; to amend the [[The Education (Northern Ireland) Order 1997|Education (Northern Ireland) Orders 1997]] and [[The Education (Northern Ireland) Order 2006|2006]]; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 53 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2006]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2007 and 31st March 2008 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2007 and 31st March 2008. || 2006 c. 54 || 
|-
| [[Investment Exchanges and Clearing Houses Act 2006]] || An Act to confer power on the Financial Services Authority to disallow excessive regulatory provision by recognised investment exchanges and clearing houses; and for connected purposes. || 2006 c. 55 || 
|}

===Local Acts===

* [[HBOS Group Reorganisation Act 2006]] c. i
* [[Leicester City Council Act 2006]] c. ii
* [[Liverpool City Council Act 2006]] c. iii
* [[Maidstone Borough Council Act 2006]] c. iv

==2007==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2007]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2006 and 31st March 2007 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2006 and 31st March 2007; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2006 and 31st March 2007. || 2007 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Planning-gain Supplement (Preparations) Act 2007]] || An Act to permit expenditure in preparation for the imposition of a tax on the increase in the value of land resulting from the grant of permission for development. || 2007 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Income Tax Act 2007]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to income tax; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (St Andrews Agreement) Act 2007]] || An Act to modify the effect of the [[Northern Ireland (St Andrews Agreement) Act 2006]]. || 2007 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Reform Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about social security; to amend the [[Vaccine Damage Payments Act 1979]]; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Justice and Security (Northern Ireland) Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about justice and security in Northern Ireland. || 2007 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[International Tribunals (Sierra Leone) Act 2007]] || An Act to confer power to make provision in relation to the Special Court for Sierra Leone corresponding to that made in relation to the International Criminal Court by sections 42 to 48 of the [[International Criminal Court Act 2001]]. || 2007 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Digital Switchover (Disclosure of Information) Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about the disclosure of certain information for purposes connected with digital switchover. || 2007 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Rating (Empty Properties) Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the liability of owners of unoccupied hereditaments to a non-domestic rate. || 2007 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2007]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2008 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2008; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2008; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2007 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2007]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2007 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health Act 2007]] || An Act to amend the [[Mental Health Act 1983]], the [[Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004]] and the [[Mental Capacity Act 2005]] in relation to mentally disordered persons; to amend section 40 of the [[Mental Capacity Act 2005]]; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Concessionary Bus Travel Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about travel concessions; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Vehicle Registration Marks Act 2007]] || An Act to make further provision about the retention of vehicle registration marks pending transfer. || 2007 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about tribunals and inquiries; to establish an Administrative Justice and Tribunals Council; to amend the law relating to judicial appointments and appointments to the Law Commission; to amend the law relating to the enforcement of judgments and debts; to make further provision about the management and relief of debt; to make provision protecting cultural objects from seizure or forfeiture in certain circumstances; to amend the law relating to the taking of possession of land affected by compulsory purchase; to alter the powers of the High Court in judicial review applications; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Parliament (Joint Departments) Act 2007]] || An Act to provide for joint departments of the Houses of Parliament; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Consumers, Estate Agents and Redress Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of the National Consumer Council and its functions; to make provision for the abolition of other consumer bodies; to make provision about the handling of consumer complaints by certain providers; to make provision requiring certain providers to be members of redress schemes in respect of consumer complaints; to amend the [[Estate Agents Act 1979]]; to make provision about the cancellation of certain contracts concluded away from business premises; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007]] || An Act to establish and make provision about the Statistics Board; to make provision about offices and office-holders under the Registration Service Act 1953; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007]] || An Act to create a new offence that, in England and Wales or Northern Ireland, is to be called corporate manslaughter and, in Scotland, is to be called corporate homicide; and to make provision in connection with that offence. || 2007 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision for protecting individuals against being forced to enter into marriage without their free and full consent and for protecting individuals who have been forced to enter into marriage without such consent; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Offender Management Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about the provision of probation services, prisons and other matters relating to the management of offenders; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about pensions and other benefits payable to persons in connection with bereavement or by reference to pensionable age; to make provision about the establishment and functions of the Personal Accounts Delivery Authority; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Sustainable Communities Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about promoting the sustainability of local communities; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Greater London Authority Act 2007]] || An Act to make further provision with respect to the Greater London Authority; to amend the [[Greater London Authority Act 1999]]; to make further provision with respect to the functional bodies, within the meaning of that Act, and the Museum of London; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Further Education and Training Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about the Learning and Skills Council for England; to make provision about institutions within the further education sector; to make provision with respect to industrial training levies; to make provision about the formation of, and investment in, companies and charitable incorporated organisations by higher education corporations; to enable the making of Assembly Measures in relation to the field of education and training; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Building Societies (Funding) and Mutual Societies (Transfers) Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision in relation to funding limits in respect of building societies; to provide consequential rights to building society members; and to make provision in connection with the transfer of the business of certain mutual societies. || 2007 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Serious Crime Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about serious crime prevention orders; to create offences in respect of the encouragement or assistance of crime; to enable information to be shared or processed to prevent fraud or for purposes relating to proceeds of crime; to enable data matching to be conducted both in relation to fraud and for other purposes; to transfer functions of the Director of the Assets Recovery Agency to the Serious Organised Crime Agency and other persons and to make further provision in connection with the abolition of the Agency and the office of Director; to amend the [[Proceeds of Crime Act 2002]] in relation to certain investigations and in relation to accredited financial investigators, management receivers and enforcement receivers, cash recovery proceedings and search warrants; to extend stop and search powers in connection with incidents involving serious violence; to make amendments relating to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs in connection with the regulation of investigatory powers; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision with respect to local government and the functions and procedures of local authorities and certain other authorities; to make provision with respect to persons with functions of inspection and audit in relation to local government; to establish the Valuation Tribunal for England; to make provision in connection with local involvement networks; to abolish Patients' Forums and the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health; to make provision with respect to local consultation in connection with health services; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Legal Services Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of the Legal Services Board and in respect of its functions; to make provision for, and in connection with, the regulation of persons who carry on certain legal activities; to make provision for the establishment of the Office for Legal Complaints and for a scheme to consider and determine legal complaints; to make provision about claims management services and about immigration advice and immigration services; to make provision in respect of legal representation provided free of charge; to make provision about the application of the Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007; to make provision about the Scottish legal services ombudsman; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[UK Borders Act 2007]] || An Act to make provision about immigration and asylum; and for connected purposes. || 2007 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2007]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2008 and 31st March 2009 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31st March 2008 and 31st March 2009. || 2007 c. 31 || 
|}

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|[[Whitehaven Harbour Act 2007]]||An Act to transfer to Whitehaven Harbour Commissioners all rights, properties, assets and obligations of W3M Charitable Foundation, Whitehaven Development Company Limited and W3M (Trading) Limited; to dissolve those companies; and for other purposes.||2007 c. i||
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|[[London Local Authorities Act 2007]]||An Act to confer further powers upon local authorities in London; and for related purposes.||2007 c. ii||
|-
|[[National Trust (Northern Ireland) Act 2007]]||An Act to make provisions as to the National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty in relation to Northern Ireland.||2007 c. iii||
|}

==2008==

===Public General Acts===
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| [[European Communities (Finance) Act 2008]] || An Act to amend the definition of &quot;the Treaties&quot; and &quot;the Community Treaties&quot; in section 1(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]] so as to include the decision of 7th June 2007 of the Council on the Communities' system of own resources. || 2008 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Banking (Special Provisions) Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision to enable the Treasury in certain circumstances to make an order relating to the transfer of securities issued by, or of property, rights or liabilities belonging to, an authorised deposit-taker; to make further provision in relation to building societies; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2008]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2007 and 31st March 2008 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2008; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31st March 2007 and 31st March 2008. || 2008 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008]] || An Act to make further provision about criminal justice (including provision about the police) and dealing with offenders and defaulters; to make further provision about the management of offenders; to amend the criminal law; to make further provision for combatting crime and disorder; to make provision about the mutual recognition of financial penalties; to amend the [[Repatriation of Prisoners Act 1984]]; to make provision for a new immigration status in certain cases involving criminality; to make provision about the automatic deportation of criminals under the [[UK Borders Act 2007]]; to amend section 127 of the [[Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994]] and to confer power to suspend the operation of that section; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Channel Tunnel Rail Link (Supplementary Provisions) Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision amending, and supplementary to, the [[Channel Tunnel Rail Link Act 1996]]. || 2008 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Maintenance and Other Payments Act 2008]] || An Act to establish the Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission; to amend the law relating to child support; to make provision about lump sum payments to or in respect of persons with diffuse mesothelioma; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Amendment) Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the [[Treaty of Lisbon|Treaty of Lisbon Amending the Treaty on European Union and the Treaty Establishing the European Community]], signed at Lisbon on 13th December 2007. || 2008 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2008]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2009 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31st March 2009; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2009; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2008 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2008]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2008 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Sale of Student Loans Act 2008]] || An Act to enable the sale of rights to repayments of student loans; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Special Educational Needs (Information) Act 2008]] || An Act to amend the [[Education Act 1996]] in relation to the provision and publication of information about children who have special educational needs; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2008]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility, and to make other provision in connection with the repeal of those enactments. || 2008 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Regulatory Enforcement and Sanctions Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision for the establishment of the Local Better Regulation Office; for the co-ordination of regulatory enforcement by local authorities; for the creation of civil sanctions in relation to regulatory offences; for the reduction and removal of regulatory burdens; and for connected purposes.|| 2008 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care Act 2008]] || An Act to establish and make provision in connection with a Care Quality Commission; to make provision about health care (including provision about the National Health Service) and about social care; to make provision about reviews and investigations under the [[Mental Health Act 1983]]; to establish and make provision in connection with an Office of the Health Professions Adjudicator and make other provision about the regulation of the health care professions; to confer power to modify the regulation of social care workers; to amend the [[Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984]]; to provide for the payment of a grant to women in connection with pregnancy; to amend the functions of the Health Protection Agency; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Evidence (Witness Anonymity) Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision for the making of orders for securing the anonymity of witnesses in criminal proceedings. || 2008 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the upper earnings limit for national insurance contributions (including in particular provision about the upper accrual point). || 2008 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Housing and Regeneration Act 2008]] || An Act to establish the Homes and Communities Agency and make provision about it; to abolish the Urban Regeneration Agency and the Commission for the New Towns and make provision in connection with their abolition; to regulate social housing; to enable the abolition of the Housing Corporation; to make provision about sustainability certificates, landlord and tenant matters, building regulations and mobile homes; to make further provision about housing; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Crossrail Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision for a railway transport system running from Maidenhead, in the County of Berkshire, and Heathrow Airport, in the London Borough of Hillingdon, through central London to Shenfield, in the County of Essex, and Abbey Wood, in the London Borough of Greenwich; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 3) Act 2008]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31st March 2009 and to apply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the service of that year. || 2008 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Health and Safety (Offences) Act 2008]] || An Act to revise the mode of trial and maximum penalties applicable to certain offences relating to health and safety. || 2008 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Planning and Energy Act 2008]] || An Act to enable local planning authorities to set requirements for energy use and energy efficiency in local plans. || 2008 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008]] || An Act to amend the [[Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990]] and the [[Surrogacy Arrangements Act 1985]]; to make provision about the persons who in certain circumstances are to be treated in law as the parents of a child; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Children and Young Persons Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision about the delivery of local authority social work services for children and young persons; to amend Parts 2 and 3 of the [[Children Act 1989]]; to make further provision about the functions of local authorities and others in relation to children and young persons; to make provision about the enforcement of care standards in relation to certain establishments or agencies connected with children; to make provision about the independent review of determinations relating to adoption; and for connected purposes. 9  || 2008 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Employment Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision about the procedure for the resolution of employment disputes; to provide for compensation for financial loss in cases of unlawful underpayment or non-payment; to make provision about the enforcement of minimum wages legislation and the application of the national minimum wage to Cadet Force Adult Volunteers and voluntary workers; to make provision about the enforcement of offences under the [[Employment Agencies Act 1973]]; to make provision about the right of trade unions to expel or exclude members on the grounds of membership of a political party; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Education and Skills Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision about education and training; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Local Transport Act 2008]] || An Act to make further provision in relation to local transport authorities, the provision and regulation of road transport services and the subsidising of passenger transport services; to amend sections 74, 75 and 79 of the [[Transport Act 1985]]; to make provision for or in relation to committees which represent the interests of users of public transport; to rename Passenger Transport Authorities as Integrated Transport Authorities and to make further provision in relation to them; to make further provision in relation to charging for the use of roads; to make provision about the meaning of &quot;street works&quot; and &quot;street works licence&quot; in Part 3 of the [[New Roads and Street Works Act 1991]]; to amend Part 6 of the [[Traffic Management Act 2004]] and section 90F of the [[Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988]]; to make provision in relation to the acquisition, disclosure and use of information relating to vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change Act 2008]] || An Act to set a target for the year 2050 for the reduction of targeted greenhouse gas emissions; to provide for a system of carbon budgeting; to establish a Committee on Climate Change; to confer powers to establish trading schemes for the purpose of limiting greenhouse gas emissions or encouraging activities that reduce such emissions or remove greenhouse gas from the atmosphere; to make provision about adaptation to climate change; to confer powers to make schemes for providing financial incentives to produce less domestic waste and to recycle more of what is produced; to make provision about the collection of household waste; to confer powers to make provision about charging for single use carrier bags; to amend the provisions of the [[Energy Act 2004]] about renewable transport fuel obligations; to make provision about carbon emissions reduction targets; to make other provision about climate change; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Counter-Terrorism Act 2008]] || An Act to confer further powers to gather and share information for counter-terrorism and other purposes; to make further provision about the detention and questioning of terrorist suspects and the prosecution and punishment of terrorist offences; to impose notification requirements on persons convicted of such offences; to confer further powers to act against terrorist financing, money laundering and certain other activities; to provide for review of certain Treasury decisions and about evidence in, and other matters connected with, review proceedings; to amend the law relating to inquiries; to amend the definition of &quot;terrorism&quot;; to amend the enactments relating to terrorist offences, control orders and the forfeiture of terrorist cash; to provide for recovering the costs of policing at certain gas facilities; to amend provisions about the appointment of special advocates in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. 9  || 2008 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Planning Act 2008]] || An Act to establish the Infrastructure Planning Commission and make provision about its functions; to make provision about, and about matters ancillary to, the authorisation of projects for the development of nationally significant infrastructure; to make provision about town and country planning; to make provision about the imposition of a Community Infrastructure Levy; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision relating to pensions; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, using money from dormant bank and building society accounts for social or environmental purposes. || 2008 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2008]] || An Act to make provision relating to gas importation and storage; to make provision in relation to electricity generated from renewable sources; to make provision relating to electricity transmission; to make provision about payments to small-scale generators of low-carbon electricity; to make provision about the decommissioning of energy installations and wells; to make provision about the management and disposal of waste produced during the operation of nuclear installations; to make provision relating to petroleum licences; to make provision about third party access to oil and gas infrastructure and modifications of pipelines; to make provision about reports relating to energy matters; to make provision about the duties of the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority; to make provision about payments in respect of the renewable generation of heat; to make provision relating to gas meters and electricity meters and provision relating to electricity safety; to make provision about the security of equipment, software and information relating to nuclear matters; and for connected purposes. || 2008 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2008]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2009 and 31 March 2010 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31 March 2009 and 31 March 2010. || 2008 c. 33 || 
|}

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|[[Transport for London Act 2008]]||An Act to confer further powers upon Transport for London; and for related purposes.||2008 c. i||
|-
|[[St. Austell Market Act 2008]]||An Act to provide for the vesting of the undertaking of The Commissioners of St. Austell Markets and Fairs in St. Austell Market House CIC and for the continuance of that undertaking; to repeal the [[St. Austell Market Act 1842]]; and for connected purposes.||2008 c. ii||
|-
|[[London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2008]]||An Act to confer further powers upon local authorities in London and upon Transport for London; and for related purposes.||2008 c. iii||
|}

==2009==
===Public General Acts===
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| [[Banking Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about banking. || 2009 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2009]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2008 and 31 March 2009 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31 March 2008 and 31 March 2009; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2008 and 31 March 2009. || 2009 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision in relation to policing and justice in Northern Ireland; and to amend section 86 of the [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]. || 2009 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Corporation Tax Act 2009]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to corporation tax; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Industry and Exports (Financial Support) Act 2009]] || An Act to amend section 8(5) of the [[Industrial Development Act 1982]] and to amend section 1(1) of the [[Export and Investment Guarantees Act 1991]]. || 2009 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Geneva Conventions and United Nations Personnel (Protocols) Act 2009]] || An Act to amend the [[Geneva Conventions Act 1957]] so as to give effect to the [[Geneva Convention/Protocol III|Protocol additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 done on 8 December 2005]]; and to amend the [[United Nations Personnel Act 1997]] so as to give effect to the [[Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Safety of United Nations and Associated Personnel]] adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 8 December 2005. || 2009 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Business Rate Supplements Act 2009]] || An Act to confer power on the Greater London Authority and certain local authorities to impose a levy on non-domestic ratepayers to raise money for expenditure on projects expected to promote economic development; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Saving Gateway Accounts Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about Saving Gateway accounts; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2009]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2010 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31 March 2010; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2010; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2009 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2009]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2009 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Act 2009]] || An Act to provide for customs functions to be exercisable by the Secretary of State, the Director of Border Revenue and officials designated by them; to make provision about the use and disclosure of customs information; to make provision for and in connection with the exercise of customs functions and functions relating to immigration, asylum or nationality; to make provision about citizenship and other nationality matters; to make further provision about immigration and asylum; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Political Parties and Elections Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the Electoral Commission; to make provision about political donations, loans and related transactions and about political expenditure; and to make provision about elections and electoral registration. || 2009 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Standards Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision establishing a body corporate known as the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority and an officer known as the Commissioner for Parliamentary Investigations; to make provision relating to salaries and allowances for members of the House of Commons and to their financial interests and conduct; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Law Commission Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision in relation to the Law Commission. || 2009 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Autism Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about meeting the needs of adults with autistic spectrum conditions; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Holocaust (Return of Cultural Objects) Act 2009]] || An Act to confer power to return certain cultural objects on grounds relating to events occurring during the Nazi era. || 2009 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Driving Instruction (Suspension and Exemption Powers) Act 2009]] || An Act to provide for the suspension in certain circumstances of registration and licences relating to the provision of driving instruction; to make provision about exemptions from prohibitions concerning registration (including provision about suspension); to make provision about compensation in connection with suspension; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Perpetuities and Accumulations Act 2009]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the avoidance of future interests on grounds of remoteness and the law relating to accumulations of income.  || 2009 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Green Energy (Definition and Promotion) Act 2009]] || An Act to define the term &quot;green energy&quot;; to promote its development, installation and usage; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision for the purposes of promoting public involvement in relation to local authorities and other public authorities; to make provision about bodies representing the interests of tenants; to make provision about local freedoms and honorary titles; to make provision about the procedures of local authorities, their powers relating to insurance and the audit of entities connected with them; to establish the Local Government Boundary Commission for England and to make provision relating to local government boundary and electoral change; to make provision about local and regional development; to amend the law relating to construction contracts; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Health Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about The NHS Constitution; to make provision about health care (including provision about the National Health Service and health bodies); to make provision for the control of the promotion and sale of tobacco products; to make provision about the investigation of complaints about privately arranged or funded adult social care; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about apprenticeships, education, training and children's services; to amend the [[Employment Rights Act 1996]]; to establish the Young People's Learning Agency for England, the office of Chief Executive of Skills Funding, the Office of Qualifications and Examinations Regulation and the School Support Staff Negotiating Body and to make provision about those bodies and that office; to make provision about the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority; to make provision about schools and institutions within the further education sector; to make provision about student loans; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Marine and Coastal Access Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision in relation to marine functions and activities; to make provision about migratory and freshwater fish; to make provision for and in connection with the establishment of an English coastal walking route and of rights of access to land near the English coast; to enable the making of Assembly Measures in relation to Welsh coastal routes for recreational journeys and rights of access to land near the Welsh coast; to make further provision in relation to Natural England and the Countryside Council for Wales; to make provision in relation to works which are detrimental to navigation; to amend the Harbours Act 1964; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Reform Act 2009]] || An Act to amend the law relating to social security; to make provision enabling disabled people to be given greater control over the way in which certain public services are provided for them; to amend the law relating to child support; to make provision about the registration of births; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Coroners and Justice Act 2009]] || An Act to amend the law relating to coroners, to investigation of deaths and to certification and registration of deaths; to amend the criminal law; to make provision about criminal justice and about dealing with offenders; to make provision about the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses; to make provision relating to the security of court and other buildings; to make provision about legal aid and about payments for legal services provided in connection with employment matters; to make provision for payments to be made by offenders in respect of benefits derived from the exploitation of material pertaining to offences; to amend the [[Data Protection Act 1998]]; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Policing and Crime Act 2009]] || An Act to make provision about the police; to make provision about prostitution, sex offenders, sex establishments and certain other premises; to make provision for reducing and dealing with the abuse of alcohol; to make provision about the proceeds of crime; to make provision about extradition; to amend the [[Aviation Security Act 1982]]; to make provision about criminal records and to amend the [[Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006]] and [[The Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups (Northern Ireland) Order 2007]]; to confer, extend or facilitate search, forfeiture and other powers relating to the United Kingdom's borders or elsewhere; to make further provision for combatting crime and disorder; to repeal redundant provisions; and for connected purposes. || 2009 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2009]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011. || 2009 c. 27 || 
|}

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| [[Broads Authority Act 2009]] || An Act to confer further powers on the Broads Authority; to make other provisions as to that Authority; and for related purposes. || 2009 c. i ||
|}

==2010==
===Public General Acts===
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| [[Video Recordings Act 2010]] || An Act to repeal and revive provisions of the [[Video Recordings Act 1984]]. || 2010 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Terrorist Asset-Freezing (Temporary Provisions) Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for the temporary validity of certain Orders in Council imposing financial restrictions on, and in relation to, persons suspected of involvement in terrorist activity; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Fiscal Responsibility Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the imposition of duties for securing sound public finances. || 2010 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Corporation Tax Act 2010]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to corporation tax and certain enactments relating to company distributions; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2010]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2009 and 31 March 2010 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31 March 2010; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2009 and 31 March 2010. || 2010 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Marriage (Wales) Act 2010]] || An Act to enable persons to be married in a place of worship in a parish in the Church in Wales with which they have a qualifying connection; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Co-operative and Community Benefit Societies and Credit Unions Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for societies to be registered as co-operative or community benefit societies and to re-name the Industrial and Provident Societies Acts; to apply to registered societies the provisions relating to directors disqualification and to make provision for the application of certain other enactments relating to companies; to confer power to make provision for credit unions corresponding to any provision applying to building societies; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Taxation (International and Other Provisions) Act 2010]] || An Act to restate, with minor changes, certain enactments relating to tax; to make provision for purposes connected with the restatement of enactments by other tax law rewrite Acts; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Child Poverty Act 2010]] || An Act to set targets relating to the eradication of child poverty, and to make other provision about child poverty. || 2010 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Third Parties (Rights against Insurers) Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about the rights of third parties against insurers of liabilities to third parties in the case where the insured is insolvent, and in certain other cases. || 2010 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Cluster Munitions (Prohibitions) Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for giving effect to the [[Convention on Cluster Munitions]]. || 2010 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 2) Act 2010]] || An Act to Appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011. || 2010 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2010]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2010 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Anti-Slavery Day Act 2010]] || An Act to introduce a national day to raise awareness of the need to eradicate all forms of slavery, human trafficking and exploitation; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Equality Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision to require Ministers of the Crown and others when making strategic decisions about the exercise of their functions to have regard to the desirability of reducing socio-economic inequalities; to reform and harmonise equality law and restate the greater part of the enactments relating to discrimination and harassment related to certain personal characteristics; to enable certain employers to be required to publish information about the differences in pay between male and female employees; to prohibit victimisation in certain circumstances; to require the exercise of certain functions to be with regard to the need to eliminate discrimination and other prohibited conduct; to enable duties to be imposed in relation to the exercise of public procurement functions; to increase equality of opportunity; to amend the law relating to rights and responsibilities in family relationships; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Assembly Members Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision relating to salaries, allowances and pensions for members of the Northern Ireland Assembly. || 2010 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Crime and Security Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about police powers of stop and search; about the taking, retention, destruction and use of evidential material; for the protection of victims of domestic violence; about injunctions in respect of gang-related violence; about anti-social behaviour orders; about the private security industry; about possession and use of electronic communications devices in prison; about air weapons; for the compensation of victims of overseas terrorism; about licensing the sale and supply of alcohol; about searches in relation to persons subject to control orders; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Personal Care at Home Act 2010]] || An Act to amend section 15 of the [[Community Care (Delayed Discharges etc.) Act 2003]] so as to remove the restriction on the period for which personal care may be provided free of charge to persons living at home; and to make consequential provision. || 2010 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Mortgage Repossessions (Protection of Tenants etc) Act 2010]] || An Act to protect persons whose tenancies are not binding on mortgagees and to require mortgagees to give notice of the proposed execution of possession orders. || 2010 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Sunbeds (Regulation) Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about the use or supply of tanning devices that use artificial ultra-violet radiation; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Sustainable Communities Act 2007 (Amendment) Act 2010]] || An Act to amend the [[Sustainable Communities Act 2007]]. || 2010 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Debt Relief (Developing Countries) Act 2010]] || Make provision for or in connection with the relief of debts of certain developing countries. || 2010 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Bribery Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about offences relating to bribery; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Digital Economy Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about the functions of the Office of Communications; to make provision about the online infringement of copyright and about penalties for infringement of copyright and performers' rights; to make provision about internet domain registries; to make provision about the functions of the Channel Four Television Corporation; to make provision about the regulation of television and radio services; to make provision about the regulation of the use of the electromagnetic spectrum; to amend the [[Video Recordings Act 1984]]; to make provision about public lending right in relation to electronic publications; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision relating to the civil service of the State; to make provision in relation to section 3 of the Act of Settlement; to make provision relating to the ratification of treaties; to make provision relating to the counting of votes in parliamentary elections; to amend the [[Parliamentary Standards Act 2009]] and the [[European Parliament (Pay and Pensions) Act 1979]] and to make provision relating to pensions for members of the House of Commons, Ministers and other office holders; to make provision for treating members of the House of Commons and members of the House of Lords as resident, ordinarily resident and domiciled in the United Kingdom for taxation purposes; to amend the [[Government Resources and Accounts Act 2000]] and to make corresponding provision in relation to Wales; to amend the [[Public Records Act 1958]] and the [[Freedom of Information Act 2000]]. || 2010 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Children, Schools and Families Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about children with disabilities or special educational needs, school and other education, and governing bodies' powers; to make provision amending the Education Acts; to make provision about Local Safeguarding Children Boards; and to make provision about publication of information relating to family proceedings. || 2010 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision relating to the demonstration, assessment and use of carbon capture and storage technology; to make provision about reports on decarbonisation of electricity generation and development and use of carbon capture and storage technology; to make provision for requiring benefits to be provided by holders of gas or electricity supply licences; to make provision about functions of the Gas and Electricity Markets Authority; to make provision about general duties of the Secretary of State in relation to gas and electricity markets; to make provision about electricity generation licences; to make provision about persons authorised to supply gas or electricity; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Financial Services Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision amending the [[Financial Services and Markets Act 2000]], including provision about financial education, and other provision about financial services and markets; and to make provision for the administration of court funds by the Director of Savings. || 2010 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Flood and Water Management Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about water, including provision about the management of risks in connection with flooding and coastal erosion. || 2010 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation (No. 3) Act 2010]] || An Act to Authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011; to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts. || 2010 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 2) Act 2010]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2010 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Academies Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about Academies. || 2010 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 3) Act 2010]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2010 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Equitable Life (Payments) Act 2010]] || An Act to provide finance for payments in cases where persons have been adversely affected by maladministration in the regulation before December 2001 of the Equitable Life Assurance Society; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Act 2010]] || An Act to prevent the implementation of existing proposals made for the purposes of Part 1 of the [[Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act 2007]]. || 2010 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Savings Accounts and Health in Pregnancy Grant Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision about eligibility for a child trust fund; to repeal the [[Saving Gateway Accounts Act 2009]]; to make provision about entitlement to health in pregnancy grant; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Superannuation Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with limiting the value of the benefits which may be provided under so much of any scheme under section 1 of the [[Superannuation Act 1972]] as provides by virtue of section 2(2) of that Act for benefits to be provided by way of compensation to or in respect of persons who suffer loss of office or employment; and to make provision about the procedure for modifying such a scheme. || 2010 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Terrorist Asset-Freezing etc. Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for imposing financial restrictions on, and in relation to, certain persons believed or suspected to be, or to have been, involved in terrorist activities; to amend Schedule 7 to the [[Counter-Terrorism Act 2008]]; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Consolidated Fund Act 2010]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending with 31 March 2011; and to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2012 and the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the year ending with 31 March 2012. || 2010 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Identity Documents Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the repeal of the [[Identity Cards Act 2006]]. || 2010 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Loans to Ireland Act 2010]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the making of loans to Ireland by the United Kingdom. || 2010 c. 41 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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| [[Beverley Freemen Act 2010]] || An Act to re-state and extend the categories of person entitled by birthright to be enrolled as a Freeman of Beverley; to extend the area within which entitlement to be a Pasture Freeman may arise; to modify legislation relating to such entitlement; and for related purposes. || 2010 c. i ||
|-
| [[Bournemouth Borough Council Act 2010]] || An Act to confer powers on Bournemouth Borough Council for the better control of street trading in the borough of Bournemouth. || 2010 c. ii ||
|-
| [[Manchester City Council Act 2010]] || An Act to confer powers on Manchester City Council for the better control of street trading in the city of Manchester. ||  2010 c. iii ||
|-
| [[Kent County Council (Filming on Highways) Act 2010]] || An Act to confer powers on Kent County Council in relation to filming on highways; and for related purposes. || 2010 c. iv ||
|-
| [[Allhallows Staining Church Act 2010]] || An act to remove certain restrictions relating to the use of land comprising the former church of Allhallows Staining, its churchyard, and other adjoining land in the City of London; to make provision for the removal of any human remains from the land and to enable its use for other purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2010 c. v ||
|}

==2011==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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| [[Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for a referendum on the voting system for parliamentary elections and to provide for parliamentary elections to be held under the alternative vote system if a majority of those voting in the referendum are in favour of that; to make provision about the number and size of parliamentary constituencies; and for connected purposes.  || 2011 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Appropriation Act 2011]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011 and to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending with 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011; and to appropriate the supply authorised in this Session of Parliament for the service of the years ending with 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011. || 2011 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with increasing rates of national insurance contributions and a regional secondary Class 1 contributions holiday for new businesses. || 2011 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Budget Responsibility and National Audit Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for a Charter for Budget Responsibility and for the publication of Financial Statements and Budget Reports; to establish the Office for Budget Responsibility; to make provision about the Comptroller and Auditor General and to establish a body corporate called the National Audit Office; to amend Schedules 5 and 7 to the [[Government of Wales Act 2006]] in relation to the Auditor General for Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Postal Services Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for the restructuring of the Royal Mail group and about the Royal Mail Pension Plan; to make new provision about the regulation of postal services, including provision for a special administration regime; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Sports Grounds Safety Authority Act 2011]] || An Act to confer further powers on the Football Licensing Authority and to amend its name; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Estates of Deceased Persons (Forfeiture Rule and Law of Succession) Act 2011]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the distribution of the estates of deceased persons; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Wreck Removal Convention Act 2011]] || An Act to implement the [[Nairobi International Convention on the Removal of Wrecks]] 2007. || 2011 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Police (Detention and Bail) Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about the calculation of certain periods of time for the purposes of Part 4 of the [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]]. || 2011 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2011]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2012; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Consolidated Fund Act 2010]]. || 2011 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2011]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2011 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[European Union Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about treaties relating to the European Union and decisions made under them, including provision implementing the Protocol signed at Brussels on 23 June 2010 amending the Protocol (No. 36) on transitional provisions annexed to the Treaty on European Union, to the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]] and to the [[Treaty establishing the European Atomic Energy Community]]; and to make provision about the means by which directly applicable or directly effective European Union law has effect in the United Kingdom. || 2011 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about the administration and governance of police forces; about the licensing of, and for the imposition of a late night levy in relation to, the sale and supply of alcohol, and for the repeal of provisions about alcohol disorder zones; for the repeal of sections 132 to 138 of the [[Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005]] and for the prohibition of certain activities in Parliament Square; to enable provision in local authority byelaws to include powers of seizure and forfeiture; about the control of dangerous or otherwise harmful drugs; to restrict the issue of arrest warrants for certain extra-territorial offences; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about the dissolution of Parliament and the determination of polling days for parliamentary general elections; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Sovereign Grant Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for the honour and dignity of the Crown and the Royal Family; make provision about allowances and pensions under the [[Civil List Act 1837|Civil List Acts of 1837]] and [[Civil List Act 1952|1952]]; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision for the arrangement and financing of energy efficiency improvements to be made to properties by owners and occupiers; about the energy efficiency of properties in the private rented sector; about the promotion by energy companies of reductions in carbon emissions and home-heating costs; about information relating to energy consumption, efficiency and tariffs; for increasing the security of energy supplies; about access to upstream petroleum infrastructure and downstream gas processing facilities; about a special administration regime for energy supply companies; about designations under the [[Continental Shelf Act 1964]]; about licence modifications relating to offshore transmission and distribution of electricity; about the security of nuclear construction sites; about the decommissioning of nuclear sites and offshore infrastructure; for the use of pipelines for carbon capture and storage; for an annual report on contribution to carbon emissions reduction targets; for action relating to the energy efficiency of residential accommodation in England; for the generation of electricity from renewable sources; about renewable heat incentives in Northern Ireland; about the powers of the Coal Authority; for an amendment of section 137 of the [[Energy Act 2004]]; for the amendment and repeal of measures relating to home energy efficiency; and for connected purposes.  || 2011 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Coinage (Measurement) Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about the arrangements for measuring the standard weight of coins. || 2011 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 2011]] || An Act to continue the [[Armed Forces Act 2006]]; to amend that Act and other enactments relating to the armed forces and the Ministry of Defence Police; to amend the [[Visiting Forces Act 1952]]; to enable judge advocates to sit in civilian courts; to repeal the [[Naval Medical Compassionate Fund Act 1915]]; to make provision about the call out of reserve forces; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision relating to pensions; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Localism Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about the functions and procedures of local and certain other authorities; to make provision about the functions of the Commission for Local Administration in England; to enable the recovery of financial sanctions imposed by the Court of Justice of the European Union on the United Kingdom from local and public authorities; to make provision about local government finance; to make provision about town and country planning, the Community Infrastructure Levy and the authorisation of nationally significant infrastructure projects; to make provision about social and other housing; to make provision about regeneration in London; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Education Act 2011]] || An Act to make provision about education, childcare, apprenticeships and training; to make provision about schools and the school workforce, institutions within the further education sector and Academies; to abolish the General Teaching Council for England, the Training and Development Agency for Schools, the School Support Staff Negotiating Body, the Qualifications and Curriculum Development Agency and the Young People's Learning Agency for England; to make provision about the Office of Qualifications and Examinations Regulation and the Chief Executive of Skills Funding; to make provision about student loans and fees; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (Amendment) Act 2011]] || An Act to amend the London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Act 2006. || 2011 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011]] || An Act to abolish control orders and make provision for the imposition of terrorism prevention and investigation measures. || 2011 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Public Bodies Act 2011]] || An Act to confer powers on Ministers of the Crown in relation to certain public bodies and offices; to confer powers on Welsh Ministers in relation to environmental and other public bodies; to make provision about delegation and shared services in relation to persons exercising environmental functions; to abolish regional development agencies; to make provision about the funding of Sianel Pedwar Cymru; to make provision about the powers of bodies established under the National Heritage Act 1983 to form companies; to repeal provisions of the [[Coroners and Justice Act 2009]] relating to appeals to the Chief Coroner; to make provision about amendment of Schedule 1 to the [[Superannuation Act 1972]]; and for connected purposes. || 2011 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Charities Act 2011]] || An Act to consolidate the [[Charities Act 1993]] and other enactments which relate to charities. || 2011 c. 25 || 
|}

== 2012 ==

===Public General Acts===
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| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2012]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2012 and 31 March 2013; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for those years and for the year ending with 31 March 2011; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2011 and 31 March 2012. || 2012 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Live Music Act 2012]] || An Act to amend the Licensing Act 2003 with respect to the performance of live music entertainment; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Public Services (Social Value) Act 2012]] || An Act to require public authorities to have regard to economic, social and environmental well-being in connection with public services contracts; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims (Amendment) Act 2012]] || An Act to amend section 5 of the [[Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004]] to include serious harm to a child or vulnerable adult; to make consequential amendments to the Act; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Reform Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision for universal credit and personal independence payment; to make other provision about social security and tax credits; to make provision about the functions of the registration service, child support maintenance and the use of jobcentres; to establish the Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission and otherwise amend the [[Child Poverty Act 2010]]; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Insurance (Disclosure and Representations) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about disclosure and representations in connection with consumer insurance contracts. || 2012 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care Act 2012]] || An Act to establish and make provision about a National Health Service Commissioning Board and clinical commissioning groups and to make other provision about the National Health Service in England; to make provision about public health in the United Kingdom; to make provision about regulating health and adult social care services; to make provision about public involvement in health and social care matters, scrutiny of health matters by local authorities and co-operation between local authorities and commissioners of health care services; to make provision about regulating health and social care workers; to establish and make provision about a National Institute for Health and Care Excellence; to establish and make provision about a Health and Social Care Information Centre and to make other provision about information relating to health or social care matters; to abolish certain public bodies involved in health or social care; to make other provision about health care; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Water Industry (Financial Assistance) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision for the giving of financial assistance for the purpose of securing the reduction of charges for the supply of water and the provision of sewerage services and in connection with the construction of, and the carrying out of works in respect of, water and sewerage infrastructure. || 2012 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Freedoms Act 2012]] || An Act to provide for the destruction, retention, use and other regulation of certain evidential material; to impose consent and other requirements in relation to certain processing of biometric information relating to children; to provide for a code of practice about surveillance camera systems and for the appointment and role of the Surveillance Camera Commissioner; to provide for judicial approval in relation to certain authorisations and notices under the [[Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000]]; to provide for the repeal or rewriting of powers of entry and associated powers and for codes of practice and other safeguards in relation to such powers; to make provision about vehicles left on land; to amend the maximum detention period for terrorist suspects; to replace certain stop and search powers and to provide for a related code of practice; to make provision about the safeguarding of vulnerable groups and about criminal records including provision for the establishment of the Disclosure and Barring Service and the dissolution of the Independent Safeguarding Authority; to disregard convictions and cautions for certain abolished offences; to make provision about the release and publication of datasets held by public authorities and to make other provision about freedom of information and the Information Commissioner; to make provision about the trafficking of people for exploitation and about stalking; to repeal certain enactments; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about legal aid; to make further provision about funding legal services; to make provision about costs and other amounts awarded in civil and criminal proceedings; to make provision about referral fees in connection with the provision of legal services; to make provision about sentencing offenders, including provision about release on licence or otherwise; to make provision about the collection of fines and other sums; to make provision about bail and about remand otherwise than on bail; to make provision about the employment, payment and transfer of persons detained in prisons and other institutions; to make provision about penalty notices for disorderly behaviour and cautions; to make provision about the rehabilitation of offenders; to create new offences of threatening with a weapon in public or on school premises and of causing serious injury by dangerous driving; to create a new offence relating to squatting; to increase penalties for offences relating to scrap metal dealing and to create a new offence relating to payment for scrap metal; and to amend section 76 of the [[Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008]]. || 2012 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Scotland Act 2012]] || An Act to amend the [[Scotland Act 1998]] and make provision about the functions of the Scottish Ministers; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Sunday Trading (London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games) Act 2012]] || An Act to suspend restrictions on Sunday trading hours for the period of the London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2012]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2013; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2012]]. || 2012 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2012]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2012 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Approval of Treaty Amendment Decision) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision for the purposes of section 3 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] in relation to the European Council decision of 25 March 2011 amending Article 136 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union with regard to a stability mechanism for Member States whose currency is the euro. || 2012 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Infrastructure (Financial Assistance) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the giving of financial assistance in respect of the provision of infrastructure. || 2012 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Local Government Finance Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about non-domestic rating; to make provision about grants to local authorities; to make provision about council tax; to make provision about the supply of information for purposes relating to rates in Northern Ireland; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health (Approval Functions) Act 2012]] || An Act to authorise things done before the day on which this Act is passed in the purported exercise of functions relating to the approval of registered medical practitioners and clinicians under the [[Mental Health Act 1983]]. || 2012 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Civil Aviation Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about the regulation of operators of dominant airports; to confer functions on the Civil Aviation Authority under competition legislation in relation to services provided at airports; to make provision about aviation security; to make provision about the regulation of provision of flight accommodation; to make further provision about the Civil Aviation Authority's membership, administration and functions in relation to enforcement, regulatory burdens and the provision of information relating to aviation; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about interference with wireless telegraphy in prisons and similar institutions. || 2012 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Financial Services Act 2012]] || An Act to amend the [[Bank of England Act 1998]], the [[Financial Services and Markets Act 2000]] and the [[Banking Act 2009]]; to make other provision about financial services and markets; to make provision about the exercise of certain statutory functions relating to building societies, friendly societies and other mutual societies; to amend section 785 of the [[Companies Act 2006]]; to make provision enabling the Director of Savings to provide services to other public bodies; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Police (Complaints and Conduct) Act 2012]] || An Act to make provision about interviews held during certain investigations under Schedule 3 to the [[Police Reform Act 2002]]; and about the application of Part 2 of that Act to matters occurring before [[1 April 2004]]. || 2012 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Small Charitable Donations Act 2012]] || An Act to provide for the making of payments to certain charities and clubs in respect of certain gifts made to them by individuals; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. 23 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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| [[Bank of Ireland (UK) plc Act 2012]] || An Act to provide that the statutory right of The Governor and Company of the Bank of Ireland to issue banknotes shall transfer and apply to Bank of Ireland (UK) plc; and for connected purposes. || 2012 c. i ||
|-
| [[London Local Authorities Act 2012]] || An Act to confer further powers upon local authorities in London; and for related purposes. || 2012 c. ii ||
|}

==2013==

===Public General Acts===
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| [[Trusts (Capital and Income) Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the law relating to capital and income in trusts. || 2013 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Statute Law (Repeals) Act 2013]] || An Act to promote the reform of the statute law by the repeal, in accordance with recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission, of certain enactments which (except in so far as their effect is preserved) are no longer of practical utility. || 2013 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act 2013]] || An Act to create offences and make other provision relating to sub-letting and parting with possession of social housing; to make provision about the investigation of social housing fraud; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Disabled Persons' Parking Badges Act 2013]] || An Act to amend section 21 of the [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970]], and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Croatian Accession and Irish Protocol) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision consequential on the [[treaty concerning the accession of the Republic of Croatia to the European Union]], signed at Brussels on 9 December 2011, and provision consequential on the [[Protocol on the concerns of the Irish people on the Treaty of Lisbon]], adopted at Brussels on 16 May 2012; and to make provision about the entitlement of nationals of the Republic of Croatia to enter or reside in the United Kingdom as workers. || 2013 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Electoral Registration and Administration Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision about the registration of electors and the administration and conduct of elections; and to amend section 3(2)(a) of the [[Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986]]. || 2013 c. 6 || 
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| [[HGV Road User Levy Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision charging a levy in respect of the use or keeping of heavy goods vehicles on public roads in the United Kingdom, and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Mental Health (Discrimination) Act 2013]] || Make further provision about discrimination against people on the grounds of their mental health. || 2013 c. 8 || 
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| [[European Union (Approvals) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision approving for the purposes of section 8 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] certain draft decisions under Article 352 of the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]]; and to make provision approving for the purposes of section 7(3) of that Act a draft decision under Article 17(5) of the Treaty on European Union about the number of members of the European Commission. || 2013 c. 9 || 
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| [[Scrap Metal Dealers Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the law relating to scrap metal dealers; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Prisons (Property) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision for the destruction of certain property found in prisons and similar institutions. || 2013 c. 11 || 
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| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2013]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2010, 31 March 2011, 31 March 2012, 31 March 2013 and 31 March 2014; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending with 31 March 2013 and 31 March 2014; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2010, 31 March 2011, 31 March 2012 and 31 March 2013. || 2013 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Presumption of Death Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision in relation to the presumed death of missing persons; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Mobile Homes Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the law relating to mobile homes. || 2013 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Antarctic Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision consequential on Annex VI to the [[Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty]]; to amend the [[Antarctic Act 1994]]; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Benefits Up-rating Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision relating to the up-rating of certain social security benefits and tax credits. || 2013 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Jobseekers (Back to Work Schemes) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision about the effect of certain provisions relating to participation in a scheme designed to assist persons to obtain employment and about notices relating to participation in such a scheme. || 2013 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Justice and Security Act 2013]] || An Act to provide for oversight of the Security Service, the Secret Intelligence Service, the Government Communications Headquarters and other activities relating to intelligence or security matters; to make provision about closed material procedure in relation to certain civil proceedings; to prevent the making of certain court orders for the disclosure of sensitive information; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Groceries Code Adjudicator Act 2013]] || An Act to set up a Groceries Code Adjudicator with the role of enforcing the Groceries Code and encouraging compliance with it. || 2013 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Succession to the Crown Act 2013 (United Kingdom)|Succession to the Crown Act 2013]] || An Act to make succession to the Crown not depend on gender; to make provision about Royal Marriages; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Partnerships (Prosecution) (Scotland) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision about the prosecution in Scotland of partnerships, partners and others following dissolution or changes in membership. || 2013 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Crime and Courts Act 2013]] || An Act to establish, and make provision about, the National Crime Agency; to abolish the Serious Organised Crime Agency and the National Policing Improvement Agency; to make provision about the judiciary and the structure, administration, proceedings and powers of courts and tribunals; to make provision about deferred prosecution agreements; to make provision about border control; to make provision about drugs and driving; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Marine Navigation Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision in relation to marine navigation and harbours. || 2013 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision about the UK Green Investment Bank; to make provision about employment law; to establish and make provision about the Competition and Markets Authority and to abolish the Competition Commission and the Office of Fair Trading; to amend the [[Competition Act 1998]] and the [[Enterprise Act 2002]]; to make provision for the reduction of legislative burdens; to make provision about copyright and rights in performances; to make provision about payments to company directors; to make provision about redress schemes relating to lettings agency work and property management work; to make provision about the supply of customer data; to make provision for the protection of essential supplies in cases of insolvency; to make provision about certain bodies established by Royal Charter; to amend section 9(5) of the [[Equality Act 2010]]; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Public Service Pensions Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision for public service pension schemes; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Defamation Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the law of defamation. || 2013 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Growth and Infrastructure Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision in connection with facilitating or controlling the following, namely, the provision or use of infrastructure, the carrying-out of development, and the compulsory acquisition of land; to make provision about when rating lists are to be compiled; to make provision about the rights of employees of companies who agree to be employee shareholders; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2013]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2014; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2013]]. || 2013 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2013]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2013 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision for the marriage of same sex couples in England and Wales, about gender change by married persons and civil partners, about consular functions in relation to marriage, for the marriage of armed forces personnel overseas, for permitting marriages according to the usages of belief organisations to be solemnized on the authority of certificates of a superintendent registrar, for the review of civil partnership, for the review of survivor benefits under occupational pension schemes, and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[High Speed Rail (Preparation) Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision authorising expenditure in preparation for a high speed railway transport network. || 2013 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2013]] || An Act to make provision for the setting of a decarbonisation target range and duties in relation to it; for or in connection with reforming the electricity market for purposes of encouraging low carbon electricity generation or ensuring security of supply; for the establishment and functions of the Office for Nuclear Regulation; about the government pipe-line and storage system and rights exercisable in relation to it; about the designation of a strategy and policy statement; about domestic supplies of gas and electricity; for extending categories of activities for which energy licences are required; for the making of orders requiring regulated persons to provide redress to consumers of gas or electricity; about offshore transmission of electricity during a commissioning period; for imposing fees in connection with certain costs incurred by the Secretary of State; about smoke and carbon monoxide alarms; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Financial Services (Banking Reform) Act 2013]] || An Act to make further provision about banking and other financial services, including provision about the Financial Services Compensation Scheme; to make provision for the amounts owed in respect of certain deposits to be treated as a preferential debt on insolvency; to make further provision about payment systems and securities settlement systems; to make provision about the accounts of the Bank of England and its wholly owned subsidiaries; to make provision in relation to persons providing claims management services; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. 33 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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| [[Canterbury City Council Act 2013]] || An Act to confer powers on Canterbury City Council for the better control of street trading in the city of Canterbury. || 2013 c. i ||
|-
| [[Leeds City Council Act 2013]] || An Act to confer powers on Leeds City Council for the better control of street trading in the city of Leeds. || 2013 c. ii ||
|-
| [[Nottingham City Council Act 2013]] || An Act to to confer powers on Nottingham City Council for the better control of street trading in the city of Nottingham. || 2013 c. iii ||
|-
| [[Reading Borough Council Act 2013]] || An Act to confer powers on Reading Borough Council for the better control of street trading and touting in the borough of Reading. || 2013 c. iv ||
|-
| [[London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2013]] || An Act to confer further powers upon local authorities in London and upon Transport for London; and for related purposes. || 2013 c. v ||
|-
| [[Humber Bridge Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the constitution of the Humber Bridge Board and to confer new borrowing and other powers on it; to make new provision for the recovery of any deficit of the Board from local authorities in the area; to confer new powers for the setting and revision of tolls and to make other provision for and in connection with the operation of the bridge; and for connected purposes. || 2013 c. vi ||
|-
| [[City of London (Various Powers) Act 2013]] || An Act to amend the provision for the control of street trading in the City of London; to make provision relating to City walkways; and for related purposes. || 2013 c. vii ||
|}

==2014==
===Public General Acts===
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| [[Mesothelioma Act 2014]] || An Act to establish a Diffuse Mesothelioma Payment Scheme and make related provision; and to make provision about the resolution of certain insurance disputes.  || 2014 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Local Audit and Accountability Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the abolition of the Audit Commission for Local Authorities and the National Health Service in England; to make provision about the accounts of local and certain other public authorities and the auditing of those accounts; to make provision about the appointment, functions and regulation of local auditors; to make provision about data matching; to make provision about examinations by the Comptroller and Auditor General relating to English local and other public authorities; to make provision about the publication of information by smaller authorities; to make provision about compliance with codes of practice on local authority publicity; to make provision about access to meetings and documents of local government bodies; to make provision about council tax referendums; to make provision about polls consequent on parish meetings; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Approvals) Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision approving for the purposes of section 8 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] certain draft decisions under Article 352 of the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]]. || 2014 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision for establishing and maintaining a register of persons carrying on the business of consultant lobbying and to require those persons to be entered in the register; to make provision about expenditure and donations for political purposes; to make provision about the Electoral Commission's functions with respect to compliance with requirements imposed by or by virtue of enactments; to make provision relating to a trade union's duty to maintain a register of members under section 24 of the [[Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992]]; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2014]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2008, 31 March 2009, 31 March 2010, 31 March 2011, 31 March 2012, 31 March 2013, 31 March 2014 and 31 March 2015; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending with 31 March 2013, 31 March 2014 and 31 March 2015; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2008, 31 March 2009, 31 March 2010, 31 March 2011, 31 March 2012, 31 March 2013 and 31 March 2014. || 2014 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Children and Families Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about children, families, and people with special educational needs or disabilities; to make provision about the right to request flexible working; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision in relation to national insurance contributions; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Citizenship (Armed Forces) Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision in connection with applications for naturalisation as a British citizen made by members or former members of the armed forces. || 2014 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[International Development (Gender Equality) Act 2014]] || An Act to promote gender equality in the provision by the Government of development assistance and humanitarian assistance to countries outside the United Kingdom, and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Leasehold Reform (Amendment) Act 2014]] || An Act to amend the [[Leasehold Reform, Housing and Urban Development Act 1993]] in relation to the permitted signatories of notices; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Offender Rehabilitation Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about the release, and supervision after release, of offenders; to make provision about the extension period for extended sentence prisoners; to make provision about community orders and suspended sentence orders; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about anti-social behaviour, crime and disorder, including provision about recovery of possession of dwelling-houses; to make provision amending the [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]], the [[Police Act 1997]], Schedules 7 and 8 to the [[Terrorism Act 2000]], the [[Extradition Act 2003]] and Part 3 of the [[Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011]]; to make provision about firearms, about sexual harm and violence and about forced marriage; to make provision about the police, the Independent Police Complaints Commission and the Serious Fraud Office; to make provision about invalid travel documents; to make provision about criminal justice and court fees; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about donations, loans and related transactions for political purposes in connection with Northern Ireland; to amend the [[Northern Ireland Assembly Disqualification Act 1975]] and the [[Northern Ireland Act 1998]]; to make provision about the registration of electors and the administration of elections in Northern Ireland; and to make miscellaneous amendments in the law relating to Northern Ireland. || 2014 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Co-operative and Community Benefit Societies Act 2014]] || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to co-operative societies, community benefit societies and other societies registered or treated as registered under the [[Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965]], with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission. || 2014 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Deep Sea Mining Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about deep sea mining; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Inheritance and Trustees' Powers Act 2014]] || An Act to make further provision about the distribution of estates of deceased persons and to amend the law relating to the powers of trustees. || 2014 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Gambling (Licensing and Advertising) Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about the licensing and advertising of gambling. || 2014 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Intellectual Property Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about intellectual property. || 2014 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Pensions Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about pensions and about benefits payable to people in connection with bereavement; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Defence Reform Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision in connection with any arrangements that may be made by the Secretary of State with respect to the provision to the Secretary of State of defence procurement services; to make provision relating to defence procurement contracts awarded, or amended, otherwise than as the result of a competitive process; to make provision in relation to the reserve forces of the Crown; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Water Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about the water industry; about compensation for modification of licences to abstract water; about main river maps; about records of waterworks; for the regulation of the water environment; about the provision of flood insurance for household premises; about internal drainage boards; about Regional Flood and Coastal Committees; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Immigration Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about immigration law; to limit, or otherwise make provision about, access to services, facilities and employment by reference to immigration status; to make provision about marriage and civil partnership involving certain foreign nationals; to make provision about the acquisition of citizenship by persons unable to acquire it because their fathers and mothers were not married to each other and provision about the removal of citizenship from persons whose conduct is seriously prejudicial to the United Kingdom's vital interests; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Care Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision to reform the law relating to care and support for adults and the law relating to support for carers; to make provision about safeguarding adults from abuse or neglect; to make provision about care standards; to establish and make provision about Health Education England; to establish and make provision about the Health Research Authority; to make provision about integrating care and support with health services; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[House of Lords Reform Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision for resignation from the House of Lords; and to make provision for the expulsion of Members of the House of Lords in specified circumstances. || 2014 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2014]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2015; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2014]]. || 2014 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2014]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2014 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision, in consequence of a declaration of invalidity made by the Court of Justice of the European Union in relation to [[Directive 2006/24/EC]], about the retention of certain communications data; to amend the grounds for issuing interception warrants, or granting or giving certain authorisations or notices, under Part 1 of the [[Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000]]; to make provision about the extra-territorial application of that Part and about the meaning of &quot;telecommunications service&quot; for the purposes of that Act; to make provision about additional reports by the Interception of Communications Commissioner; to make provision about a review of the operation and regulation of investigatory powers; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Childcare Payments Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the making of payments to persons towards the costs of childcare; and to restrict the availability of an exemption from income tax in respect of the provision for an employee of childcare, or vouchers for obtaining childcare, under a scheme operated by or on behalf of the employer. || 2014 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Wales Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision about elections to and membership of the National Assembly for Wales; to make provision about the Welsh Assembly Government; to make provision about the setting by the Assembly of rates of income tax to be paid by Welsh taxpayers and about the devolution of taxation powers to the Assembly; to make related amendments to Part 4A of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]; to make provision about borrowing by the Welsh Ministers; to make miscellaneous amendments in the law relating to Wales; and for connected purposes. || 2014 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Taxation of Pensions Act 2014]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the taxation of pensions. || 2014 c. 30 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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| [[Hertfordshire County Council (Filming on Highways) Act 2014]] || An Act to confer powers on Hertfordshire County Council in relation to filming on highways; and for related purposes. || 2014 c. i ||
|-
| [[Buckinghamshire County Council (Filming on Highways) Act 2014]] || An Act to confer powers on Buckinghamshire County Council in relation to filming on highways; and for related purposes. || 2014 c. ii ||
|}

==2015==
===Public General Acts===
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| [[Stamp Duty Land Tax Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about stamp duty land tax on residential property transactions; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Justice and Courts Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about how offenders are dealt with before and after conviction; to create offences involving ill-treatment or wilful neglect by a person providing health care or social care; to create an offence of the corrupt or other improper exercise of police powers and privileges; to make provision about offences committed by disqualified drivers; to create an offence of disclosing private sexual photographs or films with intent to cause distress; to amend the offence of meeting a child following sexual grooming; to amend the offence of possession of extreme pornographic images; to make provision about the proceedings and powers of courts and tribunals; to make provision about judicial review; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision as to matters to which a court must have regard in determining a claim in negligence or breach of statutory duty. || 2015 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Insurance Act 2015]] || An Act to make new provision about insurance contracts; to amend the [[Third Parties (Rights against Insurers) Act 2010]] in relation to the insured persons to whom that Act applies; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision in relation to national insurance contributions; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision in relation to terrorism; to make provision about retention of communications data, about information, authority to carry and security in relation to air, sea and rail transport and about reviews by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission against refusals to issue certificates of naturalisation; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Infrastructure Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for strategic highways companies and the funding of transport services by land; to make provision for the control of invasive non-native species; to make provision about nationally significant infrastructure projects; to make provision about town and country planning; to make provision about the Homes and Communities Agency and Mayoral development corporations; to make provision about the Greater London Authority so far as it exercises functions for the purposes of housing and regeneration; to make provision about Her Majesty's Land Registry and local land charges; to make provision to enable building regulations to provide for off-site carbon abatement measures; to make provision for giving members of communities the right to buy stakes in local renewable electricity generation facilities; to make provision about maximising economic recovery of petroleum in the United Kingdom; to provide for a levy to be charged on holders of certain energy licences; to enable Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs to exercise functions in connection with the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative; to make provision about onshore petroleum and geothermal energy; to make provision about renewable heat incentives; to make provision about the reimbursement of persons who have paid for electricity connections; to make provision to enable the Public Works Loan Commissioners to be abolished; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Pension Schemes Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about pension schemes, including provision designed to encourage arrangements that offer people different levels of certainty in retirement or that involve different ways of sharing or pooling risk and provision designed to give people greater flexibility in accessing benefits and to help them make informed decisions about what to do with benefits. || 2015 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Serious Crime Act 2015]] || An Act to amend the [[Proceeds of Crime Act 2002]], the [[Computer Misuse Act 1990]], Part 4 of the [[Policing and Crime Act 2009]], section 1 of the [[Children and Young Persons Act 1933]], the [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]], the [[Street Offences Act 1959]], the [[Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003]], the [[Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation (Scotland) Act 2005]], the [[Prison Act 1952]] and the [[Terrorism Act 2006]]; to make provision about involvement in organised crime groups and about serious crime prevention orders; to make provision for the seizure and forfeiture of drug-cutting agents; to make it an offence to possess an item that contains advice or guidance about committing sexual offences against children; to create an offence in relation to controlling or coercive behaviour in intimate or family relationships; to make provision for the prevention or restriction of the use of communication devices by persons detained in custodial institutions; to make provision approving for the purposes of section 8 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] certain draft decisions under Article 352 of the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]] relating to serious crime; to make provision about codes of practice that relate to the exercise and performance, in connection with the prevention or detection of serious crime, of powers and duties in relation to communications; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2015]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2014, 31 March 2015 and 31 March 2016; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending with 31 March 2015 and 31 March 2016; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2014 and 31 March 2015. || 2015 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2015]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2015 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[International Development (Official Development Assistance Target) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the meeting by the United Kingdom of the target for official development assistance (ODA) to constitute 0.7 per cent of gross national income; to make provision for independent verification that ODA is spent efficiently and effectively; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Mutuals' Deferred Shares Act 2015]] || An Act to enable the law relating to societies registered and incorporated under the [[Friendly Societies Act 1992]] and certain mutual insurers to be amended to permit or facilitate the issue of deferred shares; and to restrict the voting rights of members who hold such shares. || 2015 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[House of Lords (Expulsion and Suspension) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision empowering the House of Lords to expel or suspend members. || 2015 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Rights Act 2015]] || An Act to amend the law relating to the rights of consumers and protection of their interests; to make provision about investigatory powers for enforcing the regulation of traders; to make provision about private actions in competition law and the Competition Appeal Tribunal; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Specialist Printing Equipment and Materials (Offences) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for an offence in respect of supplies of specialist printing equipment and related materials; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Self-build and Custom Housebuilding Act 2015]] || An Act to place a duty on certain public authorities to keep a register of individuals and associations of individuals who wish to acquire serviced plots of land to bring forward self-build and custom housebuilding projects and to place a duty on certain public authorities to have regard to those registers in carrying out planning and other functions. || 2015 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Lords Spiritual (Women) Act 2015]] || An Act to make time-limited provision for vacancies among the Lords Spiritual to be filled by bishops who are women. || 2015 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces (Service Complaints and Financial Assistance) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about service complaints; about financial assistance for the armed forces community; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Deregulation Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for the reduction of burdens resulting from legislation for businesses or other organisations or for individuals; make provision for the repeal of legislation which no longer has practical use; make provision about the exercise of regulatory functions; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Corporation Tax (Northern Ireland) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the creation of a Northern Ireland rate of corporation tax. || 2015 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Review of Decisions) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the procedure for conducting investigations under Part 3 of the [[Local Government Act 1974]]; and to make provision for cases where an authority to which that Part applies takes a decision that affects the holding of an event for a reason relating to health or safety. || 2015 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Control of Horses Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for the taking of action in relation to horses which are on land in England without lawful authority; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[House of Commons Commission Act 2015]] || An Act to amend the [[House of Commons (Administration) Act 1978]] so as to make provision about the membership of the House of Commons Commission, so as to confer a new strategic function on the Commission, and so as to make provision about the exercise of functions on behalf of the Commission or its members. || 2015 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Recall of MPs Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the recall of members of the House of Commons; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about improved access to finance for businesses and individuals; to make provision about regulatory provisions relating to business and certain voluntary and community bodies; to make provision about the exercise of procurement functions by certain public authorities; to make provision for the creation of a Pubs Code and Adjudicator for the regulation of dealings by pub-owning businesses with their tied pub tenants; to make provision about the regulation of the provision of childcare; to make provision about information relating to the evaluation of education; to make provision about the regulation of companies; to make provision about company filing requirements; to make provision about the disqualification from appointments relating to companies; to make provision about insolvency; to make provision about the law relating to employment; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Religious etc. Observances) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the inclusion at local authority meetings of observances that are, and about powers of local authorities in relation to events that to any extent are, religious or related to a religious or philosophical belief. || 2015 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care (Safety and Quality) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the safety of health and social care services in England; to make provision about the integration of information relating to users of health and social care services in England; to make provision about the sharing of information relating to an individual for the purposes of providing that individual with health or social care services in England; to make provision about the objectives of the regulatory bodies for health and social care professions and the Professional Standards Authority for Health and Social Care; to make provision about the disposal of cases concerning a person's fitness to practise a health or social care profession; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Health Service Commissioner for England (Complaint Handling) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about the handling of complaints by the Health Service Commissioner for England; to require the Commissioner to notify a complainant of the reason for the delay if the investigation of the complaint is not concluded within a 12 month period; to require the Commissioner to lay before Parliament an annual report giving details of how long investigations of complaints have taken to be concluded and progress towards meeting a target of concluding investigations within a 12 month period; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Modern Slavery Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision about slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and about human trafficking, including provision for the protection of victims; to make provision for an Independent Anti-slavery Commissioner; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2015]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2016; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2015]]. || 2015 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Finance) Act 2015]] || An Act to approve for the purposes of section 7(1) of the [[European Union Act 2011]] the decision of the Council of 26 May 2014 on the system of own resources of the European Union; and to amend the definition of &quot;the Treaties&quot; and &quot;the EU Treaties&quot; in section 1(2) of the [[European Communities Act 1972]] so as to include that decision. || 2015 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Finance (No. 2) Act 2015]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2015 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Welfare Reform) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision in connection with social security and child support maintenance in Northern Ireland; to make provision in connection with arrangements under section 1 of the Employment and Training Act (Northern Ireland) 1950; and for connected purposes. || 2015 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions (Rate Ceilings) Act 2015]] || An Act to set a ceiling on the main and additional primary percentages, the secondary percentage and the upper earnings limit in relation to Class 1 national insurance contributions. || 2015 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[European Union Referendum Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision for the holding of a referendum in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union. || 2015 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Approvals) Act 2015]] || An Act to make provision approving for the purposes of section 8 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] certain draft decisions under Article 352 of the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]]. || 2015 c. 37 || 
|}

==2016==

===Public General Acts===
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| [[Cities and Local Government Devolution Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision for the election of mayors for the areas of, and for conferring additional functions on, combined authorities established under Part 6 of the [[Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Act 2009]]; to make other provision in relation to bodies established under that Part; to make provision about local authority governance and functions; to confer power to establish, and to make provision about, sub-national transport bodies; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Psychoactive Substances Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about psychoactive substances; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2016]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2015, 31 March 2016 and 31 March 2017; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for those years; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2015 and 31 March 2016. || 2016 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Charities (Protection and Social Investment) Act 2016]] || An Act to amend the [[Charities Act 1992]] and the [[Charities Act 2011]]. || 2016 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Childcare Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about free childcare for young children of working parents and about the publication of information about childcare and related matters by local authorities in England. || 2016 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Education and Adoption Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about schools in England that are causing concern, including provision about their conversion into Academies and about intervention powers; and to make provision about joint arrangements for carrying out local authority adoption functions in England. || 2016 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about reports on progress towards full employment and the apprenticeships target; to make provision about reports on the effect of certain support for troubled families; to make provision about life chances; to make provision about the benefit cap; to make provision about social security and tax credits; to make provision for loans for mortgage interest and other liabilities; and to make provision about social housing rents. || 2016 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Riot Compensation Act 2016]] || An Act to repeal the [[Riot (Damages) Act 1886]] and make provision about types of claims, procedures, decision-making and limits on awards payable in relation to a new compensation scheme for property damaged, destroyed or stolen in the course of riots. || 2016 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Access to Medical Treatments (Innovation) Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision for access to innovative medical treatments; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[NHS (Charitable Trusts Etc) Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, the removal of the Secretary of State's powers under the [[National Health Service Act 2006]] to appoint trustees; to make provision transferring to Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity the right to a royalty conferred by Schedule 6 to the [[Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988]]; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Scotland Act 2016]] || An Act to amend the [[Scotland Act 1998]] and make provision about the functions of the Scottish Ministers; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Enterprise Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision relating to the promotion of enterprise and economic growth; provision about Sunday working; and provision restricting exit payments in relation to public sector employment. || 2016 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Stormont Agreement and Implementation Plan) Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the Independent Reporting Commission, extend the period for the appointment of Northern Ireland Ministers, modify the pledge made by Northern Ireland Ministers on taking office, provide for persons becoming Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly to give an undertaking, and make provision about the draft budget of the Northern Ireland Executive, in pursuance of the agreement made on 17 November 2015 called [[A Fresh Start: The Stormont Agreement and Implementation Plan]]. || 2016 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Bank of England and Financial Services Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the Bank of England; to make provision about the regulation of financial services; to make provision about the issue of banknotes; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Trade Union Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about industrial action, trade unions, employers' associations and the functions of the Certification Officer. || 2016 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Driving Instructors (Registration) Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the registration of driving instructors. || 2016 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Criminal Cases Review Commission (Information) Act 2016]] || An Act to extend the Criminal Cases Review Commission's powers to obtain information. || 2016 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[House of Commons Members' Fund Act 2016]] || An Act to consolidate and amend provisions about the House of Commons Members' Fund. || 2016 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Immigration Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the law on immigration and asylum; to make provision about access to services, facilities, licences and work by reference to immigration status; to make provision about the enforcement of certain legislation relating to the labour market; to make provision about language requirements for public sector workers; to make provision about fees for passports and civil registration; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Energy Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the Oil and Gas Authority and its functions; to make provision about rights to use upstream petroleum infrastructure; to make provision about the abandonment of offshore installations, submarine pipelines and upstream petroleum infrastructure; to extend Part 1A of the [[Petroleum Act 1998]] to Northern Ireland; to make provision about the disclosure of information for the purposes of international agreements; to make provision about fees in respect of activities relating to oil, gas, carbon dioxide and pipelines; to make provision about wind power; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 2016]] || An Act to continue the [[Armed Forces Act 2006]]; to make provision about service discipline; to make provision about war pensions committees established under section 25 of the [[Social Security Act 1989]]; to make provision about Ministry of Defence fire-fighters; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Housing and Planning Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about housing, estate agents, rentcharges, planning and compulsory purchase. || 2016 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2016]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2017; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2016]]. || 2016 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2016]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the National Debt and the Public Revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2016 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Investigatory Powers Act 2016]] || An Act to make provision about the interception of communications, equipment interference and the acquisition and retention of communications data, bulk personal datasets and other information; to make provision about the treatment of material held as a result of such interception, equipment interference or acquisition or retention; to establish the Investigatory Powers Commissioner and other Judicial Commissioners and make provision about them and other oversight arrangements; to make further provision about investigatory powers and national security; to amend sections 3 and 5 of the [[Intelligence Services Act 1994]]; and for connected purposes. || 2016 c. 25 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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|[[Transport for London Act 2016]]||An Act to confer further powers upon Transport for London; and for related purposes.||2016 c. i||
|-
|[[Haberdashers' Aske's Charity Act 2016]]||An Act to make provision regarding the identity of the corporators of the Aske Corporation and the status of the Corporation; to provide for property held on trust by the Corporation to be subject to the same legal controls as apply generally to charity property; to make formal provision for internal procedures; and for related purposes.||2016 c. ii||
|}

==2017==

===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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|[[Small Charitable Donations and Childcare Payments Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about the payment schemes established by the [[Small Charitable Donations Act 2012]] and the [[Childcare Payments Act 2014]].||2017 c. 1||
|-
|[[Savings (Government Contributions) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, government bonuses in respect of additions to savings accounts and other investment plans.||2017 c. 2||
|-
|[[Policing and Crime Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision for collaboration between the emergency services; to make provision about the handling of police complaints and other matters relating to police conduct and to make further provision about the Independent Police Complaints Commission; to make provision for super-complaints about policing; to make provision for the investigation of concerns about policing raised by whistle-blowers; to make provision about police discipline; to make provision about police inspection; to make provision about the powers of police civilian staff and police volunteers; to remove the powers of the police to appoint traffic wardens; to enable provision to be made to alter police ranks; to make provision about the Police Federation; to make provision in connection with the replacement of the Association of Chief Police Officers with the National Police Chiefs' Council; to make provision about the system for bail after arrest but before charge; to make provision about the retention of biometric material; to make provision to enable greater use of modern technology at police stations; to make other amendments to the [[Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984]]; to amend the powers of the police under the [[Mental Health Act 1983]]; to extend the powers of the police in relation to maritime enforcement; to make provision for cross-border enforcement; to make provision about the powers of the police to require removal of disguises; to make provision about deputy police and crime commissioners and the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime; to make provision to enable changes to the names of police areas; to make provision about the regulation of firearms and pyrotechnic articles; to make provision about the licensing of alcohol; to make provision about the implementation and enforcement of financial sanctions; to amend the [[Police Act 1996]] to make further provision about police collaboration; to make provision about the powers of the National Crime Agency; to make provision for requiring arrested persons to provide details of nationality; to make provision for requiring defendants in criminal proceedings to provide details of nationality and other information; to make provision about the seizure etc of invalid travel documents; to make provision for pardons for convictions etc for certain abolished offences; to make provision to protect the anonymity of victims of forced marriage; to increase the maximum sentences of imprisonment for certain offences of putting people in fear of violence etc; to make provision to combat the sexual exploitation of children and to protect children and vulnerable adults from harm; to make provision about coroners' duties in respect of deaths in state detention; to make provision about the powers of litter authorities in Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 3||
|-
|[[Wales Act 2017]]||An Act to amend the Government of [[Wales Act 2006]] and the [[Wales Act 2014]] and to make provision about the functions of the Welsh Ministers and about Welsh tribunals; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 4||
|-
|[[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 2017]]||An Act to amend the amount of the limit in section 15 of the [[Commonwealth Development Corporation Act 1999]] on the government's financial assistance.||2017 c. 5||
|-
|[[Cultural Property (Armed Conflicts) Act 2017]]||An Act to enable the United Kingdom to implement the [[Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict]] of 1954 and the [[First Protocol to the Hague Convention|Protocols to that Convention of 1954]] and [[Second Protocol to the Hague Convention|1999]].||2017 c. 6||
|-
|[[High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision for a railway between Euston in London and a junction with the West Coast Main Line at Handsacre in Staffordshire, with a spur from Water Orton in Warwickshire to Curzon Street in Birmingham; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 7||
|-
|[[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2017]]||An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2015, 31 March 2016, 31 March 2017 and 31 March 2018; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending 31 March 2017 and 31 March 2018; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2015, 31 March 2016 and 31 March 2017.||2017 c. 8||
|-
|[[European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act 2017]]||An Act to confer power on the Prime Minister to notify, under Article 50(2) of the [[Treaty on European Union]], the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the EU.||2017 c. 9||
|-
|[[Finance Act 2017]]||An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance.||2017 c. 10||
|-
|[[Parking Places (Variation of Charges) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision in relation to the procedure to be followed by local authorities when varying the charges to be paid in connection with the use of certain parking places.||2017 c. 11||
|-
|[[Broadcasting (Radio Multiplex Services) Act 2017]]||Make provision about the regulation of small-scale radio multiplex services; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 12||
|-
|[[Homelessness Reduction Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about measures for reducing homelessness; and for connected purposes||2017 c. 13||
|-
|[[Intellectual Property (Unjustified Threats) Act 2017]]||An Act to amend the law relating to unjustified threats to bring proceedings for infringement of patents, registered trade marks, rights in registered designs, design right or Community designs.||2017 c. 14||
|-
|[[National Citizen Service Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about the National Citizen Service Trust.||2017 c. 15||
|-
|[[Children and Social Work Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about looked after children; to make other provision in relation to the welfare of children; and to make provision about the regulation of social workers.||2017 c. 16||
|-
|[[Pension Schemes Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about pension schemes.||2017 c. 17||
|-
|[[Preventing and Combating Violence Against Women and Domestic Violence (Ratification of Convention) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision in connection with the ratification by the United Kingdom of the Council of Europe Convention on preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence (the [[Istanbul Convention]]).||2017 c. 18||
|-
|[[Technical and Further Education Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about technical and further education.||2017 c. 19||
|-
|[[Neighbourhood Planning Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about planning and compulsory purchase; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 20||
|-
|[[Bus Services Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about bus services; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 21||
|-
|[[Criminal Finances Act 2017]]||An Act to amend the [[Proceeds of Crime Act 2002]]; make provision in connection with terrorist property; create corporate offences for cases where a person associated with a body corporate or partnership facilitates the commission by another person of a tax evasion offence; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 22||
|-
|[[Health Service Medical Supplies (Costs) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision in connection with controlling the cost of health service medicines and other medical supplies; to make provision in connection with the provision of pricing and other information by those manufacturing, distributing or supplying those medicines and supplies, and other related products, and the disclosure of that information; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 23||
|-
|[[Northern Ireland (Ministerial Appointments and Regional Rates) Act 2017]]||An Act to extend the period of time for making Ministerial appointments following the election of the Northern Ireland Assembly on 2 March 2017, and to make provision about the regional rate in Northern Ireland for the year ending 31 March 2018.||2017 c. 24||
|-
|[[Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Act 2017]]||An Act to extend public access to certain local audit documents under section 26 of the [[Local Audit and Accountability Act 2014]].||2017 c. 25||
|-
|[[Merchant Shipping (Homosexual Conduct) Act 2017]]||An Act to repeal sections 146(4) and 147(3) of the [[Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994]].||2017 c. 26||
|-
|[[Guardianship (Missing Persons) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about the property and affairs of missing persons; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 27||
|-
|[[Farriers (Registration) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about the constitution of the Farriers Registration Council and its committees.||2017 c. 28||
|-
|[[Higher Education and Research Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about higher education and research; and to make provision about alternative payments to students in higher or further education.||2017 c. 29||
|-
|[[Digital Economy Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision about electronic communications infrastructure and services; to provide for restricting access to online pornography; to make provision about protection of intellectual property in connection with electronic communications; to make provision about data-sharing; to make provision in connection with section 68 of the [[Telecommunications Act 1984]]; to make provision about functions of OFCOM in relation to the BBC; to provide for determination by the BBC of age-related TV licence fee concessions; to make provision about the regulation of direct marketing; to make other provision about OFCOM and its functions; to make provision about internet filters; to make provision about preventing or restricting the use of communication devices in connection with drug dealing offences; to confer power to create an offence of breaching limits on ticket sales; to make provision about the payment of charges to the Information Commissioner; to make provision about payment systems and securities settlement systems; to make provision about qualifications in information technology; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 30||
|-
|[[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017]]||An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2018; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2017]].||2017 c. 31||
|-
|[[Finance (No. 2) Act 2017]]||An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance.||2017 c. 32||
|-
|[[Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017]]||An Act to amend sections 71, 71A and 84 of the [[Civil Aviation Act 1982]], and for connected purposes.||2017 c. 33||
|-
|[[Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017]]||An Act to authorise the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of Northern Ireland of certain sums for the service of the year ending 31 March 2018; to appropriate those sums for specified purposes; to authorise the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland to borrow on the credit of the appropriated sums; to authorise the use for the public service of certain resources (including accruing resources) for the year ending 31 March 2018; and to repeal certain spent provisions.||2017 c. 34||
|-
|[[European Union (Approvals) Act 2017]]||An Act to make provision approving for the purposes of section 8 of the [[European Union Act 2011]] draft decisions under Article 352 of the [[Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union]] on the participation of the Republic of Albania and the Republic of Serbia in the work of the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights and on the signing and conclusion of an agreement between the European Union and Canada regarding the application of their competition laws.||2017 c. 35||
|}

===Local Acts===
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|[[Faversham Oyster Fishery Company Act 2017]]||An Act to provide for the alteration of the objects, powers and constitution of the Faversham Oyster Fishery Company; and for other purposes.||2017 c. i||
|-
|[[New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017]]||An Act to confer powers upon New Southgate Cemetery and Crematorium Limited and the National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá’ís of the United Kingdom to extinguish rights of burial and disturb human remains in New Southgate Cemetery for the purpose of increasing the space for interments; and for connected purposes.||2017 c. ii||
|}

==2018==

===Public General Acts===
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| [[Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision enabling relief from non-domestic rates in England and Wales to be conferred in respect of hereditaments used for the purposes of facilitating the transmission of communications by any means involving the use of electrical or electromagnetic energy; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 1 ||
|-
| [[Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision for members of the regular forces to serve part-time or subject to geographic restrictions. || 2018 c. 2 ||
|-
| [[Finance Act 2018]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2018 c. 3 ||
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2018]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2017, 31 March 2018 and 31 March 2019; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending 31 March 2018 and 31 March 2019; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2017 and 31 March 2018. || 2018 c. 4 ||
|-
| [[Space Industry Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about space activities and sub-orbital activities, and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 5 ||
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Regional Rates and Energy) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about the regional rate in Northern Ireland for the year ending 31 March 2019; and amend the [[Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2012]]. || 2018 c. 6 ||
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Assembly Members (Pay) Act 2018]] || An Act to confer power on the Secretary of State to determine salaries and other benefits for Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly in respect of periods when there is no Executive. || 2018 c. 7 ||
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Budget (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2018]] || An Act to authorise the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of Northern Ireland of certain sums for the service of the years ending 31 March 2018 and 2019; to appropriate those sums for specified purposes; to authorise the use for the public service of certain resources for those years; to revise the limits on the use of certain accruing resources in the year ending 31 March 2018; and to authorise the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland to borrow on the credit of the sum appropriated for the year ending 31 March 2019. || 2018 c. 8 ||
|-
| [[Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision creating new offences of shining or directing a laser beam towards a vehicle or air traffic facility; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 9 ||
|-
| [[Financial Guidance and Claims Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision establishing a new financial guidance body (including provision about a debt respite scheme); to make provision about the funding of debt advice in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland; to provide a power to make regulations prohibiting unsolicited direct marketing in relation to pensions and other consumer financial products and services; and to make provision about the regulation of claims management services. || 2018 c. 10 ||
|-
| [[Secure Tenancies (Victims of Domestic Abuse) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about the granting of old-style secure tenancies in cases of domestic abuse. || 2018 c. 11 ||
|- 
| [[Data Protection Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision for the regulation of the processing of information relating to individuals; to make provision in connection with the Information Commissioner’s functions under certain regulations relating to information; to make provision for a direct marketing code of practice; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 12 ||
|-
| [[Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision enabling sanctions to be imposed where appropriate for the purposes of compliance with United Nations obligations or other international obligations or for the purposes of furthering the prevention of terrorism or for the purposes of national security or international peace and security or for the purposes of furthering foreign policy objectives; to make provision for the purposes of the detection, investigation and prevention of money laundering and terrorist financing and for the purposes of implementing Standards published by the Financial Action Task Force relating to combating threats to the integrity of the international financial system; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 13 ||
|-
| [[Smart Meters Act 2018]] || An Act to extend the period for the Secretary of State to exercise powers relating to smart metering; to provide for a special administration regime for a smart meter communication licensee; and to make provision enabling half-hourly electricity imbalances to be calculated using information obtained from smart meters. || 2018 c. 14 ||
|-
| [[Nuclear Safeguards Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about nuclear safeguards; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 15 ||
|-
| [[European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018]] || An Act to repeal the [[European Communities Act 1972]] and make other provision in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU. || 2018 c. 16 ||
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2018]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2019; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2018. || 2018 c. 17 ||
|-
| [[Automated and Electric Vehicles Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about automated vehicles and electric vehicles. || 2018 c. 18 ||
|-
| [[Haulage Permits and Trailer Registration Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about the international transport of goods by road; to make provision about the registration of trailers; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 19 ||
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Budget Act 2018]] || An Act to authorise the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of Northern Ireland of certain sums for the service of the year ending 31 March 2019; to appropriate those sums for specified purposes; to authorise the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland to borrow on the credit of the appropriated sums; to authorise the use for the public service of certain resources (including accruing resources) for the year ending 31 March 2019; and to repeal certain spent provisions. || 2018 c. 20 ||
|-
| [[Domestic Gas and Electricity (Tariff Cap) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision for the imposition of a cap on rates charged to domestic customers for the supply of gas and electricity; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 21 ||
|-
| [[Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act 2018]] || An Act to impose and regulate a duty of customs by reference to the importation of goods into the United Kingdom; to confer a power to impose and regulate a duty of customs by reference to the export of goods from the United Kingdom; to make other provision in relation to any duty of customs in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU; to amend the law relating to value added tax, and the law relating to any excise duty on goods, in connection with that withdrawal; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 22 ||
|-
| [[Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about offences when perpetrated against emergency workers, and persons assisting such workers; to make certain offences aggravated when perpetrated against such workers in the exercise of their duty; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 23 ||
|- 
| [[Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about leave and pay for employees whose children have died. || 2018 c. 24 ||
|-
| [[Rating (Property in Common Occupation) and Council Tax (Empty Dwellings) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision, where two or more hereditaments occupied or owned by the same person meet certain conditions as to contiguity, for those hereditaments to be treated for the purposes of non-domestic rating as one hereditament; and to increase the percentage by which a billing authority in England may increase the council tax payable in respect of a long-term empty dwelling. || 2018 c. 25 ||
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating (Nursery Grounds) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision for buildings used as nursery grounds to be exempt from non-domestic rates in England and Wales. || 2018 c. 26 ||
|-
| [[Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about the oversight and management of the appropriate use of force in relation to people in mental health units; to make provision about the use of body cameras by police officers in the course of duties in relation to people in mental health units; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 27 ||
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Executive Formation and Exercise of Functions) Act 2018]] || An Act to facilitate the formation of an Executive in Northern Ireland by extending the time for making Ministerial appointments following the election of the Northern Ireland Assembly on 2 March 2017; and to make provision about the exercise of governmental functions in, or in relation to, Northern Ireland in the absence of Northern Ireland Ministers. || 2018 c. 28 ||
|-
| [[Civil Liability Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about whiplash claims and the personal injury discount rate. || 2018 c. 29 ||
|-
| [[Ivory Act 2018]] || An Act to prohibit dealing in ivory, and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 30 ||
|-
| [[Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Act 2018]] || An Act to establish, and make provision about, the National Data Guardian for Health and Social Care; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 31 ||
|-
| [[Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about interference with wireless telegraphy in prisons and similar institutions. || 2018 c. 32 ||
|-
| [[Courts and Tribunals (Judiciary and Functions of Staff) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision about the judiciary and the functions of the staff of courts and tribunals. || 2018 c. 33 ||
|-
| [[Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018]] || An Act to amend the [[Landlord and Tenant Act 1985]] to require that residential rented accommodation is provided and maintained in a state of fitness for human habitation; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. 34 ||
|}

===Local Acts===
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| [[City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Act 2018]] || An Act to make provision relating to the public open spaces under the management and control of the City of London Corporation; and for related purposes. || 2018 c. i || 
|-
| [[Middle Level Act 2018]] || An Act to amend and update the powers of the Middle Level Commissioners to regulate navigation on the Middle Level of the Fens in the city of Peterborough and the counties of Cambridgeshire and Norfolk; to make further provision as to the regulation of navigation on those waterways; to make other provision as to the Commissioners; and for connected purposes. || 2018 c. ii || 
|-
| [[University of London Act 2018]] || An Act to make new provision for the making of statutes for the University of London; and for related purposes. || 2018 c. iii || 
|}

==2019==
===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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| [[Finance Act 2019]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2019 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Voyeurism (Offences) Act 2019]] || An Act to make certain acts of voyeurism an offence, and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision in relation to terrorism; to make provision enabling persons at ports and borders to be questioned for national security and other related purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Tenant Fees Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision prohibiting landlords and letting agents from requiring certain payments to be made or certain other steps to be taken; to make provision about the payment of holding deposits; to make provision about enforcement and about the lead enforcement authority; to amend the provisions of the [[Consumer Rights Act 2015]] about information to be provided by letting agents; to make provision about client money protection schemes; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Crime (Overseas Production Orders) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision about overseas production orders and about the designation of international agreements for the purposes of section 52 of the [[Investigatory Powers Act 2016]]. || 2019 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2019]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2018, 31 March 2019 and 31 March 2020; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for those years; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2018 and 31 March 2019. || 2019 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Act 2019]] || An Act to make amendments of the [[Human Tissue Act 2004]] concerning consent to activities done for the purpose of transplantation; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with a code of practice containing guidance about the operation and management of private parking facilities; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Stalking Protection Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision for orders to protect persons from risks associated with stalking; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Act 2019]] || An Act to amend the [[Children Act 1989]] to provide that certain proceedings under Part 1 of Schedule 2 to the [[Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003]] are family proceedings. || 2019 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Budget (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2019]] || An Act to authorise the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of Northern Ireland of certain sums for the service of the years ending 31 March 2019 and 2020; to appropriate those sums for specified purposes; to authorise the use for the public service of certain resources for those years; to revise the limits on the use of certain accruing resources in the year ending 31 March 2019; and to authorise the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland to borrow on the credit of the sum appropriated for the year ending 31 March 2020. || 2019 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration etc) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision about the registration of marriage; to make provision for the extension of civil partnerships to couples not of the same sex; to make provision for a report on the registration of pregnancy loss; to make provision about the investigation of still-births; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Regional Rates and Energy) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision about the regional rate in Northern Ireland for the year ending 31 March 2020; and amend [[The Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2012]]. || 2019 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Healthcare (International Arrangements) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision about paying and arranging for healthcare provided in an EEA state or Switzerland and giving effect to healthcare agreements with such countries; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Animal Welfare (Service Animals) Act 2019]] || An Act to amend the [[Animal Welfare Act 2006]] in relation to service animals. || 2019 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision in connection with the period for negotiations for withdrawing from the European Union. || 2019 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Offensive Weapons Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with offences relating to offensive weapons. || 2019 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Mental Capacity (Amendment) Act 2019]] || An Act to amend the [[Mental Capacity Act 2005]] in relation to procedures in accordance with which a person may be deprived of liberty where the person lacks capacity to consent; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating (Preparation for Digital Services) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision enabling the Commissioners for Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs to incur expenditure in connection with digital services to be provided by them for the purpose of facilitating the administration or payment of non-domestic rates in England. || 2019 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Holocaust (Return of Cultural Objects) (Amendment) Act 2019]] || An Act to prevent the [[Holocaust (Return of Cultural Objects) Act 2009]] from expiring on 11 November 2019. || 2019 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2019]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2020; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2019]]. || 2019 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Executive Formation etc) Act 2019]] || An Act to extend the period for forming an Executive under section 1(1) of the [[Northern Ireland (Executive Formation and Exercise of Functions) Act 2018]] and to impose a duty on the Secretary of State to report on progress towards the formation of an Executive in Northern Ireland and other matters; to impose duties to make regulations changing the law of Northern Ireland on certain matters, subject to the formation of an Executive; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions (Termination Awards and Sporting Testimonials) Act 2019]] || An Act to provide for Class 1A national insurance contributions on certain termination awards; and to provide for the controller of a sporting testimonial to be the person liable to pay Class 1A national insurance contributions on payments from money raised by the testimonial. || 2019 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Wild Animals in Circuses Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision to prohibit the use of wild animals in travelling circuses. || 2019 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Kew Gardens (Leases) Act 2019]] || An Act to provide that the Secretary of State's powers in relation to the management of the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, include the power to grant a lease in respect of land for a period of up to 150 years. || 2019 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019]] || An Act to make further provision in connection with the period for negotiations for withdrawing from the European Union. || 2019 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Buildings (Restoration and Renewal) Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision in connection with works for or in connection with the restoration of the Palace of Westminster and other works relating to the Parliamentary Estate; and for connected purposes. || 2019 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Census (Return Particulars and Removal of Penalties) Act 2019]] || An Act to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] and the [[Census Act (Northern Ireland) 1969]] in relation to the provision of particulars about sexual orientation and gender identity. || 2019 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Early Parliamentary General Election Act 2019]] || An Act to make provision for a parliamentary general election to be held on 12 December 2019. || 2019 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland Budget Act 2019]] || An Act to authorise the issue out of the Consolidated Fund of Northern Ireland of certain sums for the service of the year ending 31 March 2020; to appropriate those sums for specified purposes; to authorise the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland to borrow on the credit of the appropriated sums; and to authorise the use for the public service of certain resources (including accruing resources) for that year. || 2019 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Historical Institutional Abuse (Northern Ireland) Act 2019]] || An Act to establish the Historical Institutional Abuse Redress Board and to confer an entitlement to compensation in connection with children who were resident in certain institutions in Northern Ireland; and to establish the Commissioner for Survivors of Institutional Childhood Abuse. || 2019 c. 31 || 
|}

==2020==
===Public General Acts===
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| [[European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-1 qp).pdf}} || An Act to implement, and make other provision in connection with, the agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU under Article 50(2) of the [[Treaty on European Union]] which sets out the arrangements for the United Kingdom's withdrawal from the EU. || 2020 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Direct Payments to Farmers (Legislative Continuity) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Direct Payments to Farmers (Legislative Continuity) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-2 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision for the incorporation of the Direct Payments Regulation into domestic law; for enabling an increase in the total maximum amount of direct payments under that Regulation; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Terrorist Offenders (Restriction of Early Release) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Terrorist Offenders (Restriction of Early Release) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-3 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the release on licence of offenders convicted of terrorist offences or offences with a terrorist connection; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-4 qp).pdf}} || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2020 and 31 March 2021; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for those years; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the year ending with 31 March 2020. || 2020 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[NHS Funding Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=NHS Funding Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-5 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision regarding the funding of the health service in England in respect of each financial year until the financial year that ends with 31 March 2024. || 2020 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Contingencies Fund Act 2020]] || An Act to make provision increasing the maximum capital of the Contingencies Fund for a temporary period. || 2020 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Coronavirus Act 2020.pdf}} || An Act to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Windrush Compensation Scheme (Expenditure) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Windrush Compensation Scheme (Expenditure) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-8 qp).pdf}} || An Act to provide for the payment out of money provided by Parliament of expenditure incurred by the Secretary of State or a government department under, or in connection with, the Windrush Compensation Scheme. || 2020 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Sentencing (Pre-consolidation Amendments) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Sentencing (Pre-consolidation Amendments) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-9 qp).pdf}} || An Act to give effect to Law Commission recommendations relating to commencement of enactments relating to sentencing law and to make provision for pre-consolidation amendments of sentencing law. || 2020 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Birmingham Commonwealth Games Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Birmingham Commonwealth Games Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-10 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the Commonwealth Games that are to be held principally in Birmingham in 2022; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Divorce, Dissolution and Separation Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-11 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make in relation to marriage and civil partnership in England and Wales provision about divorce, dissolution and separation; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Corporate Insolvency and Governance Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Corporate Insolvency and Governance Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-12 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about companies and other entities in financial difficulty; and to make temporary changes to the law relating to the governance and regulation of companies and other entities. || 2020 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2020]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2021; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2020]]. || 2020 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Finance Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-14 qp).pdf}} || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2020 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Stamp Duty Land Tax (Temporary Relief) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Stamp_Duty_Land_Tax_(Temporary_Relief)_Act_2020_(UKPGA_2020-15_qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision to reduce for a temporary period the amount of stamp duty land tax chargeable on the acquisition of residential property. || 2020 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Business and Planning Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Business and Planning Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-16 qp).pdf}} || An Act to make provision relating to the promotion of economic recovery and growth. || 2020 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Sentencing Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Sentencing Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-17 qp).pdf}} || An Act to consolidate certain enactments relating to sentencing. || 2020 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Extradition (Provisional Arrest) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Extradition (Provisional Arrest) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-18 qp).pdf}} || An Act to create a power of arrest, without warrant, for the purpose of extraditing people for serious offences. || 2020 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Prisoners (Disclosure of Information About Victims) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Prisoners (Disclosure of Information About Victims) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-19 qp).pdf}} || An Act to require the Parole Board to take into account any failure by a prisoner serving a sentence for unlawful killing or for taking or making an indecent image of a child to disclose information about the victim. || 2020 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Immigration and Social Security Co-ordination (EU Withdrawal) Act 2020]] || An Act to make provision to end rights to free movement of persons under retained EU law and to repeal other retained EU law relating to immigration; to confer power to modify retained direct EU legislation relating to social security co-ordination; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Agriculture Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-21).pdf}} || An Act to authorise expenditure for certain agricultural and other purposes; to make provision about direct payments following the United Kingdom's departure from the European Union and about payments in response to exceptional market conditions affecting agricultural markets; to confer power to modify retained direct EU legislation relating to agricultural and rural development payments and public market intervention and private storage aid; to make provision about reports on food security; to make provision about the acquisition and use of information connected with food supply chains; to confer powers to make regulations about the imposition of obligations on business purchasers of agricultural products, marketing standards, organic products and the classification of carcasses; to make provision for reports relating to free trade agreements; to make provision for the recognition of associations of agricultural producers which may benefit from certain exemptions from competition law; to make provision about fertilisers; to make provision about the identification and traceability of animals; to make provision about red meat levy in Great Britain; to make provision about agricultural tenancies; to confer power to make regulations about securing compliance with the WTO Agreement on Agriculture; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Fisheries Act 2020]] || An Act to make provision in relation to fisheries, fishing, aquaculture and marine conservation; to make provision about the functions of the Marine Management Organisation; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Up-rating of Benefits) Act 2020]] || An Act to make provision relating to the up-rating of certain social security benefits. || 2020 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Private International Law (Implementation of Agreements) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Private International Law (Implementation of Agreements) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-24).pdf}} || An Act to implement the Hague Conventions of 1996, 2005 and 2007 and to provide for the implementation of other international agreements on private international law. || 2020 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Parliamentary Constituencies Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Parliamentary Constituencies Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-25).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about reports of the Boundary Commissions under the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986; to make provision about the number of parliamentary constituencies and other rules for the distribution of seats; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Taxation (Post-transition Period) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Taxation (Post-transition Period) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-26).pdf}} || An Act to make provision (including the imposition and regulation of new duties of customs) in connection with goods in Northern Ireland and their movement into or out of Northern Ireland; to make provision amending certain enactments relating to value added tax, excise duty or insurance premium tax; to make provision in connection with the recovery of unlawful state aid in relation to controlled foreign companies; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-27).pdf}} || An Act to make provision in connection with the internal market for goods and services in the United Kingdom (including provision about the recognition of professional and other qualifications); to make provision in connection with provisions of the [[Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland|Northern Ireland Protocol]] relating to trade and state aid; to authorise the provision of financial assistance by Ministers of the Crown in connection with economic development, infrastructure, culture, sport and educational or training activities and exchanges; to make regulation of the provision of distortive or harmful subsidies a reserved or excepted matter; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Trade (Disclosure of Information) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=Trade (Disclosure of Information) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-28).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the disclosure of information relating to trade. || 2020 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[European Union (Future Relationship) Act 2020]] {{ssl|1=European Union (Future Relationship) Act 2020 (UKPGA 2020-29).pdf}} || An Act to make provision to implement, and make other provision in connection with, [[The EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement|the Trade and Cooperation Agreement]]; to make further provision in connection with the United Kingdom's future relationship with the EU and its member States; to make related provision about passenger name record data, customs and privileges and immunities; and for connected purposes. || 2020 c. 29 || 
|}

==2021==
===Public General Acts===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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| [[Pension Schemes Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Pension Schemes Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-1).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about pension schemes. || 2021 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-2).pdf}} || An Act to make provision for a railway between a junction with Phase One of High Speed 2, near Fradley Wood in Staffordshire, and a junction with the West Coast Main Line near Crewe in Cheshire; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Medicines and Medical Devices Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Medicines and Medical Devices Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-3).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about a Commissioner for Patient Safety in relation to human medicines and medical devices; confer power to amend or supplement the law relating to human medicines, veterinary medicines and medical devices; make provision about the enforcement of regulations, and the protection of health and safety, in relation to medical devices; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, the authorisation of criminal conduct in the course of, or otherwise in connection with, the conduct of covert human intelligence sources. || 2021 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Ministerial and other Maternity Allowances Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision for payments to or in respect of Ministers and holders of Opposition offices on maternity leave. || 2021 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2021]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2019, 31 March 2020, 31 March 2021 and 31 March 2022; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for the years ending 31 March 2020, 31 March 2021 and 31 March 2022; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2019, 31 March 2020 and 31 March 2021. || 2021 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Act 2021]] || An Act to amend the electronic communications code set out in Schedule 3A to the [[Communications Act 2003]]; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating (Lists) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision to change the dates on which non-domestic rating lists must be compiled; and to change the dates by which proposed lists must be sent to billing authorities, the Secretary of State or the Welsh Ministers. || 2021 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[Contingencies Fund Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision increasing the maximum capital of the Contingencies Fund for a temporary period. || 2021 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Trade Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Trade Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-10).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about international trade agreements; to make provision establishing the Trade Remedies Authority and conferring functions on it; to make provision about the Trade and Agriculture Commission; and to make provision about the collection and disclosure of information relating to trade. || 2021 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-11).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the sentencing of offenders convicted of terrorism offences, of offences with a terrorist connection or of certain other offences; to make other provision in relation to terrorism; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Air Traffic Management and Unmanned Aircraft Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-12).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about airspace change proposals, about the licensing regime for air traffic services under Part 1 of the [[Transport Act 2000]] and about airport slot allocation, to confer police powers relating to unmanned aircraft and requirements in Air Navigation Orders and to provide for fixed penalties for certain offences relating to unmanned aircraft. || 2021 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rating (Public Lavatories) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Non-Domestic Rating (Public Lavatories) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-13).pdf}} || An Act to confer relief from non-domestic rates for hereditaments in England and Wales that consist wholly or mainly of public lavatories; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Forensic Science Regulator Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Forensic Science Regulator Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-14).pdf}} || An Act to make provision for the appointment of the Forensic Science Regulator; to make provision about the Regulator and about the regulation of forensic science; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[British Library Board (Power to Borrow) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=British Library Board (Power to Borrow) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-15).pdf}} || An Act to provide the British Library Board with a power to borrow money. || 2021 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[Education and Training (Welfare of Children) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Education and Training (Welfare of Children) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-16).pdf}} || an Act to impose duties on certain education and training providers in relation to safeguarding and promoting the welfare of children. || 2021 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision in relation to domestic abuse; to make provision for and in connection with the establishment of a Domestic Abuse Commissioner; to make provision for the granting of measures to assist individuals in certain circumstances to give evidence or otherwise participate in civil proceedings; to prohibit cross-examination in person in family or civil proceedings in certain circumstances; to make further provision about orders under section 91(14) of the [[Children Act 1989]]; to provide for an offence of threatening to disclose private sexual photographs and films with intent to cause distress; to provide for an offence of strangulation or suffocation; to make provision about circumstances in which consent to the infliction of harm is not a defence in proceedings for certain violent offences; to make provision about certain violent or sexual offences, and offences involving other abusive behaviour, committed outside the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Prisons (Substance Testing) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Prisons (Substance Testing) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-18).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about substance testing in prisons and similar institutions. || 2021 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Botulinum Toxin and Cosmetic Fillers (Children) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Botulinum Toxin and Cosmetic Fillers (Children) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-19).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the administration to persons under the age of 18 of botulinum toxin and of other substances for cosmetic purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Education (Guidance about Costs of School Uniforms) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Education (Guidance about Costs of School Uniforms) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-20).pdf}} || An Act to make provision for guidance to schools about the costs aspects of school uniform policies. || 2021 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Animal Welfare (Sentencing) Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Animal Welfare (Sentencing) Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-21).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the mode of trial and maximum penalty for certain offences under the [[Animal Welfare Act 2006]]. || 2021 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Financial Services Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Financial Services Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-22).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about financial services and markets; to make provision about debt respite schemes; to make provision about Help-to-Save accounts; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision about legal proceedings in connection with operations of the armed forces outside the British Islands. || 2021 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Fire Safety Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Fire Safety Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-24).pdf}} || An Act to make provision about the application of [[The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005]] where a building contains two or more sets of domestic premises; and to confer power to amend that order in future for the purposes of changing the premises to which it applies. || 2021 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[National Security and Investment Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision for the making of orders in connection with national security risks arising from the acquisition of control over certain types of entities and assets; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2021]] {{ssl|1=Finance Act 2021 (UKPGA 2021-26).pdf}} || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2021 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2021]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2022; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2021]]. || 2021 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care Levy Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision imposing a tax (to be known as the health and social care levy), the proceeds of which are payable to the Secretary of State towards the cost of health care and social care, on amounts in respect of which national insurance contributions are, or would be if no restriction by reference to pensionable age were applicable, payable; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Compensation (London Capital &amp; Finance plc and Fraud Compensation Fund) Act 2021]] || An Act to provide for the payment out of money provided by Parliament of expenditure incurred by the Treasury for, or in connection with, the payment of compensation to customers of London Capital &amp; Finance plc; provide for the making of loans to the Board of the Pension Protection Fund for the purposes of its fraud compensation functions; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Environment Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision about targets, plans and policies for improving the natural environment; for statements and reports about environmental protection; for the Office for Environmental Protection; about waste and resource efficiency; about air quality; for the recall of products that fail to meet environmental standards; about water; about nature and biodiversity; for conservation covenants; about the regulation of chemicals; and for connected purposes. || 2021 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Telecommunications (Security) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision about the security of public electronic communications networks and public electronic communications services. || 2021 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Up-rating of Benefits) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision relating to the up-rating of certain social security benefits payable in the tax year 2022-23.  || 2021 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Critical Benchmarks (References and Administrators' Liability) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision about the meaning of references to Article 23A benchmarks in contracts and other arrangements; and to make provision about the liability of administrators of Article 23A benchmarks. || 2021 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[Rating (Coronavirus) and Directors Disqualification (Dissolved Companies) Act 2021]] || An Act to make provision about matters attributable to coronavirus that may not be taken account of in making certain determinations for the purposes of non-domestic rating; and to make provision in connection with the disqualification of directors of companies that are dissolved without becoming insolvent. || 2021 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Armed Forces Act 2021]] || An Act to continue the [[Armed Forces Act 2006]]; to amend that Act and other enactments relating to the armed forces; to make provision about service in the reserve forces; to make provision about pardons for certain abolished service offences; to make provision about war pensions; and for connected purposes.  || 2021 c. 35 || 
|}

==2022==

===Public General Acts===
The final act given royal assent by Elizabeth II was c. 40.
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| [[Leasehold Reform (Ground Rent) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the rent payable under long leases of dwellings; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 1 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Ministers, Elections and Petitions of Concern) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about Ministerial appointments, extraordinary Assembly elections, the Ministerial Code of Conduct and petitions of concern in Northern Ireland. || 2022 c. 2 || 
|-
| [[Finance Act 2022]] || An Act to grant certain duties, to alter other duties, and to amend the law relating to the national debt and the public revenue, and to make further provision in connection with finance. || 2022 c. 3 || 
|-
| [[Advanced Research and Invention Agency Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the establishment of the Advanced Research and Invention Agency. || 2022 c. 4 || 
|-
| [[Dormant Assets Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with an expanded dormant assets scheme; to confer power to further expand the scope of that scheme; to amend the [[Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Act 2008]]; to enable an authorised reclaim fund to accept transfers of certain unwanted assets; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 5 || 
|-
| [[Charities Act 2022]] || An Act to amend the [[Charities Act 2011]] and the [[Universities and College Estates Act 1925]]; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 6 || 
|-
| [[Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about public service pension schemes, including retrospective provision to rectify unlawful discrimination in the way in which existing schemes were restricted under the [[Public Service Pensions Act 2013]] and corresponding Northern Ireland legislation; to make provision for the establishment of new public pension schemes for members of occupational pension schemes of bodies that were brought into public ownership under the [[Banking (Special Provisions) Act 2008]]; to make provision about the remuneration and the date of retirement of holders of certain judicial offices; to make provision about judicial service after retirement; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 7 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2022]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the years ending with 31 March 2021, 31 March 2022 and 31 March 2023; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for those years; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for the years ending with 31 March 2021 and 31 March 2022. || 2022 c. 8 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision in relation to national insurance contributions. || 2022 c. 9 || 
|-
| [[Economic Crime (Transparency and Enforcement) Act 2022]] || An Act to set up a register of overseas entities and their beneficial owners and require overseas entities who own land to register in certain circumstances; to make provision about unexplained wealth orders; and to make provision about sanctions. || 2022 c. 10 || 
|-
| [[Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the dissolution and calling of Parliament, including provision for the repeal of the [[Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011]]; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 11 || 
|-
| [[Commercial Rent (Coronavirus) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision enabling relief from payment of certain rent debts under business tenancies adversely affected by coronavirus to be available through arbitration; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 12 || 
|-
| [[Education (Careers Guidance in Schools) Act 2022]] || An Act to extend the duty to provide careers guidance in schools. || 2022 c. 13 || 
|-
| [[Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about licensing in relation to taxis and private hire vehicles for purposes relating to the safeguarding of passengers and road safety; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 14 || 
|-
| [[Nuclear Energy (Financing) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for the implementation of a regulated asset base model for nuclear energy generation projects; for revenue collection for the purposes of that model; for a special administration regime for licensees subject to that model; and about the circumstances in which bodies corporate are not associated with site operators for the purposes of programmes relating to funding the decommissioning of nuclear sites. || 2022 c. 15 || 
|-
| [[National Insurance Contributions (Increase of Thresholds) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with increasing the thresholds at which primary Class 1 contributions, Class 2 contributions and Class 4 contributions become payable. || 2022 c. 16 || 
|-
| [[Local Government (Disqualification) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the grounds on which a person is disqualified from being elected to, or holding, certain positions in local government in England. || 2022 c. 17 || 
|-
| [[Down Syndrome Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about meeting the needs of persons with Down syndrome; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 18 || 
|-
| [[Animals (Penalty Notices) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the giving of penalty notices for certain offences relating to animals and animal products. || 2022 c. 19 || 
|-
| [[Professional Qualifications Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision relating to entitlement to practise certain professions, occupations and trades; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 20 || 
|-
| [[Skills and Post-16 Education Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about local skills improvement plans; to make provision relating to further education; to make provision about functions of the Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education and relating to technical education qualifications and apprenticeships; to make provision about student finance and fees; to make provision about assessments and publication of certain matters by the Office for Students; to make provision about the funding of certain post-16 education or training providers; to create offences relating to completing assignments on behalf of students; to make provision about designating 16 to 19 Academies as having a religious character; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 21 || 
|-
| [[Animal Welfare (Sentience) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for an Animal Sentience Committee with functions relating to the effect of government policy on the welfare of animals as sentient beings. || 2022 c. 22 || 
|-
| [[Subsidy Control Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision regulating the giving of subsidies out of public resources; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 23 || 
|-
| [[Cultural Objects (Protection from Seizure) Act 2022]] || An Act to extend the protection from seizure or forfeiture given to cultural objects. || 2022 c. 24 || 
|-
| [[Motor Vehicles (Compulsory Insurance) Act 2022]] || An Act to amend retained EU law relating to compulsory insurance for the use of motor vehicles; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 25 || 
|-
| [[Glue Traps (Offences) Act 2022]] || An Act to make certain uses of glue traps an offence; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 26 || 
|-
| [[Approved Premises (Substance Testing) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about substance testing in approved premises. || 2022 c. 27 || 
|-
| [[Marriage and Civil Partnership (Minimum Age) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the minimum age for marriage and civil partnership; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 28 || 
|-
| [[Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Disabled Persons) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision relating to the carrying of disabled persons by taxis and private hire vehicles. || 2022 c. 29 || 
|-
| [[Building Safety Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the safety of people in or about buildings and the standard of buildings, to amend the [[Architects Act 1997]], and to amend provision about complaints made to a housing ombudsman. || 2022 c. 30 || 
|-
| [[Health and Care Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about health and social care. || 2022 c. 31 || 
|-
| [[Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the police and other emergency workers; to make provision about collaboration between authorities to prevent and reduce serious violence; to make provision about offensive weapons homicide reviews; to make provision for new offences and for the modification of existing offences; to make provision about the powers of the police and other authorities for the purposes of preventing, detecting, investigating or prosecuting crime or investigating other matters; to make provision about the maintenance of public order; to make provision about the removal, storage and disposal of vehicles; to make provision in connection with driving offences; to make provision about cautions; to make provision about bail and remand; to make provision about sentencing, detention, release, management and rehabilitation of offenders; to make provision about secure 16 to 19 Academies; to make provision for and in connection with procedures before courts and tribunals; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 32 || 
|-
| [[Pension Schemes (Conversion of Guaranteed Minimum Pensions) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the amendment of pension schemes so as to provide for the conversion of rights to a guaranteed minimum pension. || 2022 c. 33 || 
|-
| [[British Sign Language Act 2022]] || An Act to recognise British Sign Language as a language of England, Wales and Scotland; to require the Secretary of State to report on the promotion and facilitation of the use of British Sign Language by ministerial government departments; and to require guidance to be issued in relation to British Sign Language. || 2022 c. 34 || 
|-
| [[Judicial Review and Courts Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the provision that may be made by, and the effects of, quashing orders; to make provision restricting judicial review of certain decisions of the Upper Tribunal; to make provision about the use of written and electronic procedures in courts and tribunals; to make other provision about procedure in, and the organisation of, courts and tribunals; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 35 || 
|-
| [[Nationality and Borders Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about nationality, asylum and immigration; to make provision about victims of slavery or human trafficking; to provide a power for Tribunals to charge participants where their behaviour has wasted the Tribunal’s resources; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 36 || 
|-
| [[Elections Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the administration and conduct of elections, including provision designed to strengthen the integrity of the electoral process and provision about the use of the simple majority system in elections for certain offices; about overseas electors; about voting and candidacy rights of EU citizens; about the designation of a strategy and policy statement for the Electoral Commission; about the membership of the Speaker’s Committee; about the Electoral Commission’s functions in relation to criminal proceedings; about financial information to be provided by a political party on applying for registration; for preventing a person being registered as a political party and being a recognised non-party campaigner at the same time; about regulation of expenditure for political purposes; about disqualification of offenders for holding elective offices; about information to be included in electronic campaigning material; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 37 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Additional Payments) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about additional payments to recipients of means-tested benefits, tax credits and disability benefits. || 2022 c. 38 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2022]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2023; to authorise both the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund and the application of income for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised for that year by this Act and by the [[Supply and Appropriation (Anticipation and Adjustments) Act 2022]]. || 2022 c. 39 || 
|-
| [[Energy (Oil and Gas) Profits Levy Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for, and in connection with, imposing a charge on ring fence profits of companies. || 2022 c. 40 || 
|-
| [[Supply and Appropriation (Adjustments) Act 2022]] || An Act to authorise the use of resources for the year ending with 31 March 2023; to authorise the issue of sums out of the Consolidated Fund for that year; and to appropriate the supply authorised by this Act for that year. || 2022 c. 41 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Special Rules for End of Life) Act 2022]] || An Act to provide for certain social security rules which apply where life expectancy is 6 months or less to apply instead where life expectancy is 12 months or less. || 2022 c. 42 || 
|-
| [[Health and Social Care Levy (Repeal) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for and in connection with the repeal of the [[Health and Social Care Levy Act 2021]]. || 2022 c. 43 || 
|-
| [[Energy Prices Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision for controlling energy prices; to encourage the efficient use and supply of energy; and for other purposes connected to the energy crisis. || 2022 c. 44 || 
|-
| [[Identity and Language (Northern Ireland) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about national and cultural identity and language in Northern Ireland. || 2022 c. 45 || 
|-
| [[Product Security and Telecommunications Infrastructure Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision about the security of internet-connectable products and products capable of connecting to such products; to make provision about electronic communications infrastructure; and for connected purposes. || 2022 c. 46 || 
|-
| [[Counsellors of State Act 2022]] || An Act to add His Royal Highness The Earl of Wessex and Her Royal Highness The Princess Royal to the persons to whom royal functions may be delegated as Counsellors of State. || 2022 c. 47 || 
|-
| [[Northern Ireland (Executive Formation etc) Act 2022]] || An Act to make provision to extend the period following the Northern Ireland Assembly election of 5 May 2022 during which Ministers may be appointed and after which the Secretary of State must propose a date for another election; about the exercise of functions in the absence of Northern Ireland Ministers; to confer powers on the Secretary of State to determine salaries and other benefits for Members of the Assembly in respect of periods in which the Assembly is not functioning; and to confer powers on the Secretary of State to set the regional rate in Northern Ireland. || 2022 c. 48 || 
|}

===Local Acts===
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|[[Highgate Cemetery Act 2022]]||An Act to confer powers upon the Friends of Highgate Cemetery Trust to operate, maintain and conserve Highgate Cemetery and to extinguish rights of burial and disturb human remains in Highgate Cemetery for the purpose of increasing the space for interments and the conservation of Highgate Cemetery; and for connected purposes.||2022 c. i||
|-
|[[Monken Hadley Common Act 2022]]||An Act to transfer the ownership and management of Monken Hadley Common to Monken Hadley Common Trust and for related purposes.||2022 c. ii||
|}

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LAW 92-571-OCT. 26, 1972

PUBLIC

1205

&quot;TITLE I—FOREIGN ASSISTANCE ACT ACTIVITIES
&quot;FUNDS APPBOPBIATED TO THE PBESIDENT
&quot;ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE

Worldwide, technical assistance
Alliance for Progress, technical assistance
International organizations and programs
Programs relating to population growth
American schools and hospitals abroad
American schools and hospitals abroad (special foreign currency program)
Indus Basin Development Fund, grants
Indus Basin Development Fund, loans
Contingency fund
International narcotics control
Refugee relief assistance (Bangladesh)
Alliance for Progress, development loans
Development loans
Administrative expenses:
AID
State
Subtotal, economic assistance

$155, 000,000
77, 500, 000
105, 000, 000
100, 000, 000
25, 500, 000
None
10, 000, 000
12, 000, 000
25,000, 000
Nope
100,000,000
150, 000, 000
250, 000, 000
50,000,000
4,221,000
1,064,221,000

&quot;MILITARY ASSISTANCE

Military assistance
Regional naval training

550, 600,000
2, 500,000

&quot;SECITBITY SUPPORTING ASSISTANCE

Security supporting assistance

600,000,000

&quot;OVEBSEAS PBIVATE INVESTMENT CORPORATION

Overseas Private Investment Corporation, reserves

12,500,000

^'INTEB-AMERICAN FOUNDATION

Inter-American Foundation (limitation on obligations)

(5,000,000)

Total, title I, new budget (obligational) authority. Foreign Assistance Act Activities
2,229,821,000

&quot;TITLE II—FOREIGN MILITARY CREDIT
SALES
Foreign military credit sales

400,000,000

Total, titles I and II, new budget (obligational) authority
2, 629, 821, 000
&quot;TITLE III—FOREIGN ASSISTANCE
(OTHER)
&quot;INDEPENDENT AGENCY
&quot;ACTION

Peace Corps, operating expenses

81, (X)0, 000

&quot;DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND WELFABE

Assistance to refugees in the United States (Cuban program)—

145,000,000

&quot;DEPARTMENT OF STATE

Migration and refugee assistance
Assistance to refugees from the Soviet Union

8, 500, 000
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(d) When a civil penalty of not more than $200 has been assessed Federal magisunder this Act, the Secretary may refer the matter for collection of *'^^'^'''°
the penalty directly to the Federal magistrate of the jurisdiction
wherein the person liable may be found for collection procedures under
supervision of the district court and pursuant to order issued by the
court delegating such authority under section 636(b) of title 28, United
States Code.
82 Stat. i i u.
INJUNCTIVE

PROCEEDINGS

SEC. 86. The United States district courts shall have jurisdiction to u.s. district
restrain violations of this Act, or to restrain the sale, offer for sale, or ^°^^^^' •'&quot;&quot;^'^i'=the introduction or delivery for introduction, in interstate commerce,
or the importation into the United States, of any boat or associated
equipment which is determined not to conform to Federal boat safety
standards, upon petition by the Attorney General on behalf of the
United States. Whenever practicable, the Secretary shall give notice Notice, hearing
to any person against whom an action for injunctive relief is con- °pp°'''&quot;&quot;ity*
templated and afford him an opportunity to present his views, and
except in the case of knowing and willful violation, shall afford him
a reasonable opportunity to achieve compliance. The failure to give
notice and afford such opportunity does not preclude the granting of
appropriate relief.
( \ \ S U A L T Y REPORTING SYSTEMS

SEC. 87. (a) The Secretary shall prescribe a uniform vessel casualty
reporting system for vessels subject to this Act, including those otherwise exempted by paragraphs (1), (8), and (4) of section 4(c).
(b) A State vessel numbering system and boating safety program
approved under this Act shall provide for the reporting of casualties
and accidents involving vessels. A State shall compile and transmit to state reports
the Secretary reports, information, and statistics on casualties atnd '° secretary.
accidents reported to it.
(c) A vessel casualty reporting system shall provide for the report- . ^^'^^ casuaiing of all marine casualties involving vessels indicated in subsection
(a) of this section and resulting in the death of any person. Marine
casualties which do not result in loss of life shall be classified
according' to the gravity thereof, giving consideration to the extent
of the injuries to persons, the extent of property damage, the dangers
which casualties create, and the size, occupation or use, and the means
of propulsion of the boat involved. Regulations shall prescribe the
casualties to be reported and the manner of reporting.
(d) The owner or operator of a boat or vessel indicated in subsection (a) of this section and involved in a casualty or accident shall
report the casualty or accident to the Secretary in accordance with
regulations prescribed under this section unless he is required to
report to a State under a State system approved under this Act.
(e) The Secretary shall collect, analyze, and publish reports, Reports and
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provides that information derived from accident reports, other than
statistical, shall be unavailable for public disclosure, or otherwise prohibits use by the State or any person in any action or proceeding
against an individual, the Secretary may utilize the information or
material furnished by a State only in like manner.
APPROPRIATIONS AUTHORIZATION

SEC. 38. There is authorized to be appropriated amounts as may be
necessary to administer the provisions of this Act.
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PUBLIC LAW 92-202-DEC. 18, 1971

[85 STAT.

GENERAL PROVISIONS
Vouchers.

Maximum allowances.

Automobile a llowances.

Travel expenses.

Experts and
consultants.
80 Stat. 416.
Advancement of
funds.
T a x l c a b s, restrictions.

Street l i g h t i n g.

Vehicle u s e.
31 USC 638a.

SEC. I. Except as otherwise provided herein, all vouchers covering
expenditures of appropriations contained in this Act shall be audited
before payment by the designated certifying official and the vouchers
as approved shall be paid by checks issued by the designated disbursing official without countersignature.
SEC. 2. Whenever in this Act an amount is specified within an appropriation for particular purposes or object of expenditure, such amount,
unless otherwise specified, shall be considered as the maximum amount
which may be expended for said purpose or object rather than an
amount set apart exclusively therefor.
SEC. 3. Appropriations in this Act shall be available, when authorized or approved by the Commissioner, for allowances for privately
owned automobiles used for the performance of official duties at 10
cents per mile but not to exceed $35 a month for each automobile, unless
otherwise therein specifically provided, except that one hundred and
thirteen (eighteen for venereal disease investigators in the Department
of Human Resources) such allowances at not more than $550 each per
annum may be authorized or approved by the Commissioner.
SEC. 4. Appropriations in this Act shall be available for expenses of
travel and for the payment of dues of organizations concerned with the
work of the District of Columbia government, when authorized by the
Commissioner.
SEC. 5. Appropriations in this Act shall be available for services as
authorized by 5 U.S.C. 3109.
SEC. 6. The disbursing officials designated by the Commissioner are
authorized to advance to such officials as may be approved by the Commissioner such amounts and for such purposes as he may determine.
SEC. 7. Appropriations in this Act shall not be used for or in connection with the preparation, issuance, publication, or enforcement of any
regulation or order of the Public Service Commission requiring the
installation of meters in taxicabs, or for or in connection with the
licensing of any vehicle to be operated as a taxicab except for operation
in accordance with such system of uniform zones and rates and regulations applicable thereto as shall have been prescribed by the Public
Service Commission.
SEC. 8. Appropriations in this Act shall not be available for the payment of rates for electric current for street lighting in excess of 2 cents
per kilowatt-hour for current consumed.
SEC. 9. All passenger motor vehicles (including watercraft) owned
by the District of Columbia shall be operated and utilized in conformity with section 16 of the Act of August 2, 1946 (60 Stat. 810), and
shall be under the direction and control of the Commissioner, who may
from time to time alter or change the assignment for use thereof or
direct the alteration of interchangeable use of any of the same by
officers and employees of the District, except as otherwise provided in
this Act. &quot;Official purposes&quot; as used in the section 16 shall not apply
to the Commissioner or in cases of officers and employees the character
of whose duties make such transportation necessary, but only as to such
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78 Stat. 565.
15 USC 78c.

5 2 Stat. 890.
48 sta^.^8^7';
52 Stat. 1076.'
15 USC 78q.

PUBLIC LAW 91-598-DEC. 30, 1970

[84 STAT.

customer (subject to subsection (f)(1), to the extent that such payments are made out of advances from S I P C under such subsection)
insofar as such obligations are ascertainable from the books and records of the debtor or are otherwise established to the satisfaction of
the trustee, whether or not such customer shall have filed formal proof
of such claim. For that purpose the court among other things shall—
(1) in respect of claims relating to securities or cash, authorize
the trustee to make payment out of moneys made available to the
trustee by S I P C notwithstanding the fact that there shall not
have been any showing or determination that there are sufficient
funds of the debtor available to make such payment; and
(2) in respect of claims relating to, or net equities based upon,
securities of a class and series of an issuer, which are ascertainable
from the books and records of the debtor or are otherwise established to the satisfaction of the trustee, authorize the trustee to
deliver securities of such class and series if and to the extent
available to satisfy such claims in whole or in part, with partial
deliveries to be made pro rata to the greatest extent considered
practicable by the trustee.
Any payment or delivery of property pursuant to this subsection may
be conditioned upon the trustee requiring claimants to execute in a
form to be determined by the trustee, appropriate receipts, supporting
affidavits, and assignments, but shall be without prejudice to the right
of any claimant to file formal proof of claim within the period specified
in subsection (e) for any balance of securities or cash to which he may
deem himself entitled.
(h) PROOF OF CLAIM BY ASSOCIATES AND OTHERS.—The provisions of
this section permitting discharge of obligations of the debtor to pay
cash or to deliver securities without formal proof of claim shall not
apply to any person &quot;associated&quot; with the debtor as defined in section
3(,a) (18) of the 1934 Act, to any beneficial owner of 5 per centum or
jnore of the voting stock of the debtor, or to any member of the immediate family of any of the foregoing.
(i) REPORTS BY TRUSTEE TO COURT.—All reports to the court by a
trustee (other than reports required to be filed pursuant to section
167(3) of the Bankruptcy Act) shall be in such form and detail as,
having due regard to the requirements of section 17 of the 1934 Act
and the rules and regulations thereunder and the magnitude of items
^^^ trausactions involved in connection with the operations of a broker
or dealer, the Commission shall determine by rules and regulations to
present fairly the results of such proceeding as at the dates or for the
periods covered by such reports.
(j) EFFECT OF ACT ON CLAIMS.—Except as otherwise provided in
this section, nothing in this section shall limit the right of any person
to establish by formal proof such claims as such person may have to
payment, or to delivery of specific securities, without resort to moneys
advanced by S I P C to the trustee.
SEC. 7. SEC FUNCTIONS.
(a) ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURE.—Determinations of the Commis-

80 Stat. 383.

5 USC 551.

sion, for purposes of making rules or regulations pursuant to section
3(e) and section 9(f) shall be after appropriate notice and opportunity
for a hearing, and for submission of views of interested persons, in
accordance with the rulemaking procedures specified, in section 553
of title 5, United States Code, but the holding of a hearing shall
not prevent adoption of any such rule or regulation upon expiration
of the notice period specified in subsection (d) of such section and
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1307

PUBLIC LAW 91-515-OCT. 30, 1970

PART I — A N N U A L REPORT, NATIONAL AD^1S0R'r COUNCIL, E T C.

SEC. 280. Part A of title III of the Public Health Service Act is
further amended by adding after section 310A thereof (as added by
section 270 of this Act) the following new section:
&quot;Annual Report
&quot;310B. On or before January 1 of each year, the Secretary shall
transmit to the Congress a report of the activities carried on under
the provisions of title IX of this Act and sections 304, 305, 314(a),
314(b),_314(c), 314(d), and 314(e) of this title together with (1) an
evaluation of the effectiveness of such activities in improving the efficiency and effectiveness of the research, planning, and delivery of
health services in carrying out the purposes for which such provisions
were enacted, (2) a statement of the relationship between Federal
financing and financing from other sources of the activities undertaken pursuant to such provisions (including the possibilities for more
efficient support of such activities through use of alternate sources
of financing after an initial period of support under such provisions), and (3) such recommendations with respect to such provisions
as he deems appropriate.&quot;
SEC. 281. Title III of the Public Health Service Act is amended
by adding after section 315 thereof the following new section:
&quot; N A T I O N A L ADVISORY COUNCIL O N COMPREHENSIVE
PROGRAMS

HEALTH

Ante, p p. 1 2 9 7,
1301, 1304.

58 Stat. 6 9 1.
42 USC 2 4 1.

PLANNING

&quot;SEC. 316. (a) The Secretary shall appoint, without regard to the
civil service laws, a National Advisory Council on Comprehensive
Health Planning Programs. The Council shall consist of the Secretary
or his designee, who shall be the chainnan, and sixteen members, not
otherwise in the regular full-time employ of the United States, who
are (1) leaders in the fields of the fundamental sciences, the medical
sciences, or the organization, delivery, and financing of health care,
(2) officials in State and areawide health planning agencies, (3)
leaders in health care administration, or State or community or other
public affairs, who are State or local officials, or (4) representatives
of consumers of health care. A t least six of the appointed members
shall be individuals representing the consumers of health care, one
shall be an official of a State health planning agency, one shall be an
official of an areawide health planning agency, and one shall be a
member of the National Advisory Council on Regional Medical
Programs.
&quot;(b) Each appointed member of the Council shall hold office for a
term of four years, except that any member appointed to fill a vacancy
prior to the expiration of the term for which his predecessor was
appointed shall be appointed for the remainder of such term, and
except that the terms of office of the members first taking office shall
expire, as designated by the Secretary at the time of appointment,
four at the end of the first year, four at the end of the second year,
four at the end of the third year, and four at the end of the fourth
year after the date of appointment. An appointed member shall not
be eligible to serve continuously for more than two terms.
&quot;(c) Appointed members of the Council, while attending meetings
or conferences thereof or otherwise serving on the business of the
Council, shall be entitled to receive compensation at rates fixed by the
Secretary, but at rates not exceeding the daily equivalent of the rate
specified at the time of service for GS-18 of the general schedule,

Appointment,
Members.

Term.

Ante,

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PUBLIC LAW 90-28-JUNE 24, 1967

5 USC 551 et
seq.

[81

STAT.

for Indian probate work need not be appointed pursuant to the Administrative Procedures Act (60 Stat. 237), as amended.
OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY
SALARIES AND E X P E N S E S

For necessary expenses of the Office of the Secretary of the Interior,
including teletype rentals and service, and not to exceed $2,000 for
official reception and representation expenses, $6,881,500.
GENERAL PROVISIONS, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
Emergency reconstruction.

For e s t or
range fires.

Operation of
warehouses, e t c.

47 Stat. 4 1 7.

Employment of
experts, e t c.
80 Stat. 416.

Uniforms or a llowances.
80 Stat. 508.
43 Stat. 175.

SEC. 101. Appropriations made in this title shall be available for
expenditure or transfer (within each bureau or office), with the approval of the Secretary, for the emergency reconstruction, replacement, or repair of aircaft, buildings, utilities, or other facilities or
equipment damaged or destroyed by fire, flood, storm, or other unavoidable causes: Provided, That no funds shall be made available under
this authority until funds specifically made available to the Department of the Interior for emergencies shall have been exhausted.
SEC. 102. The Secretary may authorize the expenditure or transfer
(within each bureau or office) of any appropriation in this title, in
addition to the amounts included in the budget programs of the
several agencies, for the suppression or emergency prevention of forest
or range fires on or threatening lands under jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior: Provided, That appropriations made in this
title for fire suppression purposes shall be available for the payment
of obligations incurred during the preceding fiscal year, and for reimbursement to other Federal agencies for destruction of vehicles, aircraft or other equipment in connection with their use for fire suppression purposes, such reimbursement to be credited to appropriations currently available at the time of receipt thereof.
SEC. 103. Appropriations made in this title shall be available for
operation of warehouses, garages, shops, and similar facilities,
wherever consolidation of activities will contribute to efficiency or
economy, and said appropriations shall be reimbursed for services
rendered to any other activity in the same manner as authorized by
the Act of June 30, 1932 (31 U.S.C. 686): Provided, That reimbursements for costs of supplies, materials and equipment, and for services
rendered may be credited to the appropriation current at the time
such reimbursements are received.
SEC. 104. Appropriations made to the Department of the Interior
in this title or in the Public Works Appropriations Act, 1968, shall
be available for services as authorized by 5 U.S.C. 3109, w'hen authorized by the Secretary, in total amount not to exceed $300,000; hire,
maintenance and operation of aircraft; hire of passenger motor veliicles; purchase of reprints; payment for telephone service in private
residences in the field, when authorized under regulations approved
by the Secretary; and the payment of dues, when authorized by the
Secretary, for library membership in societies or associations which
issue publications to members only or at a price to members lower
than to subscribers who are not members.
SEC. 105. Appropriations available to the Department of the
Interior for salaries and expenses shall be available for uniforms or
allowances therefor, as authorized by law (5 U.S.C. 5901; 80 Stat. 299
and D.C. Code 4-204).&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PUBLIC LAW 90-101-OCT. 3, 1967

255

(b) REPORT.—The Commission shall report to the President and
the Congress its findings and recommendations as soon as practicable
and in no event later than January 31, 1970. The Commission shall
cease to exist ten days following the submission of its final report.
POWERS o r THE COMMISSION

6. (a) HEARINGS AND SESSIONS.—The Commission or, on the
authorization of the Commission, any committee thereof, may, for the
purpose of carrying out the provisions of the Act, hold such hearings
and sit and act at such times and such places within the United States
as the Commission or such committee may deem advisable.
(b) CONSULTATION.—In carrying out its duties under the Act, the
Commission shall consult with other Federal agencies, Governors,
attorneys general, and other representatives of State and local government and private organizations to the extent feasible.
(c) OBTAINING OFFICIAL DATA.—The Commission is authorized
to secure directly from any executive department, bureau, agency,
board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purpose
of this Act, and each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, establishment, or instrumentality is authorized and directed,
to the extent permitted by law, to furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request
made by the Chairman or Vice Chairman.
(d) OBTAINING SCIENTIFIC DATA.—For the purpose of securing the
necessary scientific data and information the Commission may make
contracts with universities, research institutions, foundations, laboratories, hospitals, and other competent public or private agencies to
conduct research on the causal relationship of obscene material and
antisocial behavior. For such purpose, the Commission is authorized
to obtain the services of experts and consultants in accordance with
section 3109 of title 5, United States Code.
Approved October 3, 1967.
SEC.

•

,T
so Stat. 4i6.

Public Law 90-101
JOINT RESOULTION
To authorize and request the President to issue a proclamation commemorating
fifty year s of service to the Nation by the Langley Research Center.

Whereas this calendar year marks the fiftieth anniversary of the
establishment in 1917 of the Langley Eesearch Center at Hampton,
Virginia; and
Whereas the Langley Research Center of the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration, for forty-one years a facility.of the
former National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, has provided a continuing technological basis for significant advances in
military and commercial aviation; and
Whereas pioneering scientific investigations conducted by the Langley
Research Center contributed to the development over the years of
unique facilities, research techniques, and the technical competence
required to establish and maintain this country's leadership in aeronautics; and
Whereas the Langley Research Center was the birthplace of Project
Mercury—the first United States manned space flight project; and
85-622 0-68—19

October 3, 1967
[s. J. Res. 109]&lt;noinclude&gt;
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583

PUBLIC LAW 90-200-DEC. 14, 1967

Public Law 90-199
AN ACT
To provide for the disposition of funds appropriated to pay a judgment in favor
of the Iowa Tribes of Kansas and Nebraska and of Oklahoma in Indian Claims
Commission dockets numbered 138 and 79, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the funds on
deposit in the United States Treasury to the credit of the Iowa Tribes
of Kansas and Nebraska and of Oklahoma that were appropriated by
the Act of April 30, 1965 (79 Stat. 81), to pay a judgment by the
Indian Claims Commission in dockets numbered 138 and 79, and the
interest thereon, after payment of attorney fees and other litigation
expenses, shall be divided on the basis of 17l/279ths (61.29 per
centum) to the lowas of Kansas and Nebraska and 108'/279ths (38.71
per centum) to the lowas of Oklahoma, and the funds so divided,
including interest accruing thereon, may be invested or expended for
any purpose that is authorized by the respective tribal governing
bodies and approved by the Secretary of the Interior. Any per capita
distribution of any part of the funds placed to the credit of the Iowa
Tribes of Kansas and Nebraska and of Oklahoma shall be payable
only to those persons who meet the membership requirements specified
in the respective tribal constitutions, and such per capita payments
shall not be subject to Federal or State income tax.
Approved December 14, 1967.

December 14, 1967
[H. R. 2828]

Indians.
Iowa T r i b e s of
Kans.-Nebr.-Okla.
D i s p o s i t i o n of
funds.

Public Law 90-200
AN ACT
To give the consent of Congress to the State of Ohio to become a party to the
agreement relating to bus taxation proration and reciprocity as set forth in
title II of the Act of April 14, 1965 (79 Stat. 60), and consented to by Congress
in that Act and in the Acts of November 1, 1965 (79 Stat. 1157), and November 2, 1966 (80 Stat. 1156).

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the consent of
Congress is given to the State of Ohio to become a party to the agreement relating to bus taxation proration and reciprocity as set forth in
title II of the Act of April 14, 1965 (79 Stat. 60), and consented to by
Congress in that Act and in the Acts of November 1, 1965 (79 Stat.
1157) and November 2, 1966 (80 Stat. 1156).
SEC. 2. The right to alter, amend or repeal this Act is expressly
reserved.
Approved December 14, 1967.

December 14, 1967
[H. R. 129 12]

Ohio.
B u s taxation
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SUBJECT INDEX

Research and Development—Continued Page Roosevelt Campobello International Park Page
Older persons, reducing barriers to emCommission, appropriation for
68
ployment of
602 Rural Community Development Service,
Post OflBce Department, appropriation
appropriation for
329
for
115 Rural Electrification Administration, apRailroads, high-speed ground transporpropriation for
331
tation, appropriation for
318 Rural Rehabilitation Corporation Trust
Saline water, appropriation for studies
Liquidation Act, appropriation for
effecting provisions
332
of
69,78
Smithsonian Institution, appropriation
Rush-Bagot Agreement Days:
for
75
Designation
13
Sport Fisheries and Wildlife, Bureau
Proclamation
1100
of, appropriation for
67 Ryukyu Islands:
Transportation, Department of, approAdministration funds, increase authorpriation for
311
ization
363
Veterans Administration, medical and
Appropriation for administration
941
prosthetic research, appropriation
S
for
351
Vocational Rehabilitation AdministraSac and Fox Indian Tribes, lowa-Okla.tion, appropriation for
395
Kans.-Nebr., distribution of judgReserve Forces Bill of Rights and Vitaliment funds
193
zation Act
521 Sacramento River Basin Project, increased
Reserve Forces Facilities Acts, appropriappropriation, authorization
16
ation for effecting provisions
551 Sacramento Valley Irrigation Canals,
Reserve Forces Facilities Authorization
Calif., Central Valley project, caAct, 1968
309
pacity increase, authorization.
_ 167
Retired Federal Employees Health BeneSaint Elizabeths Hospital, D.C.:
fits Act, appropriation for effecting
Appropriation for
402
provisions
343
Grants, Public Health Service, avail&quot;Retirement and the Individual&quot;, printing
ability
80
of additional copies
1059
United States prisoners, appropriation
Rhode Island, Pawtucket, settlement of
for reimbursement for care of
419
claim against United States for FedSaint Lawrence Seaway Development
eral share of civil defense equipment.
509
Corporation, appropriation for
318
Rice, marketing excess delivered to ComSalary Act of 1967, Federal
624
modity Credit Corporation
578 Saline Water, Office of, appropriation
Richlfind, Wash., assistance payments to
for
69,773
city and school district
576 Saline Water Conversion Act, expansion
Rifle Practice, National Board for the
of program; short title citation
78
Promotion of, appropriation for
237 Salish and Kootenai Tribes of the FlatRiver Basin Monetary Authorization Act
head Reservation, Mont., disposiof 1967
15
tion of judgment funds
13
Rivers and Harbors:
San Carlos Apache Reservation, Ariz.,
Bayou Lafourche, portion of waterway
long-term leases of land
560
nonnavigable
507 San Diego, Calif., 200th anniversary, comFlood control. See separate title.
memorative medal
362
Manele Bay, Lanai, Hawaii, construcSan Felipe Division, Central Valley Projtion of small-boat harbor, increased
ect, Calif., construction, maintenance,
funds
465
etc
173
Maryland, authorization for construcSavannah, Nuclear Ship, appropriation
tion of additional bridges and
for
424
tunnels
466 Save Your Vision Week, 1967, proclamaReclamation projects. See under Intion
1084
terior, Department of.
Schools and Colleges. See also Education.
River Basin Monetary Authorization
American Academy in Rome, real and
Act of 1967
15
personal property limit, increase.192
Water resource projects, name change
District of Columbia Teachers' Leave
of certain
111
Act of 1949, amendments, sick and
Rome, American Academy in, real and
emergency leave, removal of certain
personal property limit, increase
192
limitations
659&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PUBLIC LAW 89-435-MAY 31, 1966

[80

STAT.

OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY
SALARIES A N D E X P E N S E S

For necessary expenses of the Office of the Secretary of the Interior,
including teletype rentals and service, and not to exceed $2,000 for
official reception and representation expenses, $4,998,900.
GENERAL PROVISIONS, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
Emergency reconstruction.

For e s t or range
fires.

Operation of
warehouses, etc.

47 Stat. 417.

Employment of
experts, etc.
60 Stat. 810.

Uniforms or a llowances.
68 Stat. 1114;
79 Stat. 1122;
43 Stat. 175.

SEC. 101. Appropriations made in this title shall be available for
expenditure or transfer (within each bureau or office), with the approval of the Secretary, for the emergency reconstruction, replacement, or repair of aircraft, buildings, utilities, or other facilities or
equipment damaged or destroyed by fire, flood, storm, or other unavoidable causes: Provided, That no funds shall be made available
under this authority until funds specifically made available to the
Department of the Interior for emergencies shall have been exhausted.
SEC. 102. The Secretary may authorize the expenditure or transfer
(within each bureau or office) of any appropriation in this title, in
addition to the amounts included in the budget programs of the several
agencies, for the suppression or emergency prevention of forest or
range fires on or threatening lands under jurisdiction of the Department of the Interior: Provided, That appropriations made in this title
for fire suppression purposes shall be available for the payment of
obligations incurred during the preceding fiscal year, and for reimbursement to other Federal agencies for destruction of vehicles, aircraft or other equipment in connection with their use for fire suppression purposes, such reimbursement to be credited to appropriations
currently available at the time of receipt thereof.
SEC. 103. Appropriations made in this title shall be available for
operation of warehouses, garages, shops, and similar facilities,
wherever consolidation of activities will contribute to efficiency or
economy, and said appropriations shall be reimbursed for services rendered to any other activity in the same manner as authorized by the
Act of June 30, 1932 (31 U.S.C. 686): Provided, That reimbursements
for costs of supplies, materials and equipment, and for services rendered may be credited to the appropriation current at the time such
reimbursements are received.
SEC. 104. Appropriations made to the Department of the Interior
in this title or in the Public Works Appropriations Act, 1967, shall be
available for services as authorized by section 15 of the Act of August
2, 1946 (5 U.S.C. 55a), when authorized by the Secretary, in total
amount not to exceed $200,000; hire, maintenance and operation of aircraft; hire of passenger motor vehicles; purchase of reprints; payment
for telephone service in private residences in the field, when authorized
under regulations approved by the Secretary; and the payment of
dues, when authorized by the Secretary, for library membership in
societies or associations which issue publications to members only or
at a price to members lower than to subscribers who are not members.
SEC. 105. Appropriations available to the Department of the
Interior for salaries and expenses shall be available for uniforms or
allowances therefor, as authorized by law (5 U.S.C. 2131 and D.C.
Code 4-204).&lt;noinclude&gt;
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SUBJECT INDEX

Reorganization Plans—Continued
Page
No. 5 of 1966, National Capital Regional Planning Council, abolition
1611
Research and Development:
Armed Forces, aircraft, naval vessels,
etc.—
Appropriation authorization
36, 276
Appropriation for
81, 988
Atomic Energy Commission, appropriation authorization
l62
Civil defense, shelter survey, etc., appropriation for
680
Commercial fisheries, appropriation for_
178
Community action programs, restrictions
1461
Cotton Research and Promotion Act
279
Dogs, cats and other animals, sale,
handling, etc., regulations
350
Education—
Appropriation for
1385
Research training contracts
1202
Educational institutions, programs for
economic and social development
of less developed countries
797
Environmental Science Services Administration, appropriation for
1491
Federal Aviation Agency, appropriation
for
667
Fish protein concentrates
1089
Forestry, appropriation for
183
Fur seal resources of North Pacific
Ocean, etc
1091, 1098
Geological Survey, appropriation for
175
Housing construction, etc.; urban environmental studies
1286, 1287
Interior, Department of the, research
contracts, authorization
951
Jellyfish in coastal waters, control or
elimination
1149
Marine science and resources
203, 998
Maritime Administration, appropriation for
1493
Motor vehicle and highway safety
721,
729, 733
National Aeronautics and Space Administration—
Appropriation authorization
336
Appropriation for
675
Peace Corps program, appropriation
authorization
764
Post Office Department—
Additional
Assistant
Postmaster
General for research
262
Appropriation for
226
Public Health Service, appropriation
for
_. 1393

Research and Development—Continued
Page
Smithsonian Institution—
Archeological research and excavation, appropriation for
187
Museum problems, study
953
State statutes affecting local governments, studies, grants
1286
Transportation—
Appropriation for
1496
Research contracts, authorization
947
Urban mass transportation
715-717
Tropical and subtropical food
1537
Veterans Administration—
Medical and prosthetic research, appropriation for
678
Spinal cord injuries
1099
Vocational Rehabilitation Administration, appropriation for
1387
Water pollution control
1246
Water research program, enlargement. _ 129
Welfare Administration, demonstration
projects, appropriation for
1397
Reserve Forces Facilities Authorization
Act, 1967
757
Retired Federal Employees Health Benefits Act, appropriation for effecting
provisions
666
Revised Organic Act of the Virgin Islands,
Amendments:
Bond borrowing authority, increase
890
Reapportionment of legislature
371
Revised Statutes. See Tables 2 and 12 in
&quot;Laws Affected in Volume 80&quot;, preceding this Index.
Rhode Island, judicial district, additional
judge
75
Rhodium, disposition from national stockpile, authorization
138
Rifle Practice, National Board for the
Promotion of, appropriation for
985
River and Harbor Act of 1966
1405
Rivers and Harbors:
Flood control. See separate title.
Mississippi River—
Clinton, Iowa-Fulton, 111., reenactment of authorization for construction of bridge
272
Muscatine, lowa-Drury, 111., authorization for construction of
bridge
274
Missouri River Basin reclamation project, appropriation authorization,
increase
322
Potomac
River,
replacement
of
Fourteenth Street Bridge
875
Public works projects, appropriation for. 1003,
1004
Rio Grande, salinity drainage, agreement with Mexico
808
Vessels, navigation rules, inland waterways. 1313&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PUBLIC LAW 89-97-JULY 30, 1965

statements shall be furnished by the employee under such regulations,
at such other times before such lOth day, and in such form and manner,
as may be prescribed by the Secretary or his delegate.
&quot;(b) STATEMENTS FURNISHED BY EMPLOYERS.—If the tax imposed
by section 3101 with respect to tips reported by an employee pursuant
to subsection (a) exceeds the tax which can be collected by the employer
pursuant to section 3102, the employer shall furnish to the employee
a written statement showing the amount of such excess. The statement
required to be furnished pursuant to this subsection shall be furnished
at such time, shall contain such other information, and shall be in such
form as the Secretary or his delegate may by regulations prescribe.
When required by such regulations, a duplicate of any such statement
shall be filed with the Secretary or his delegate.&quot;
(B) Section 6652(b) of such Code (relating to failure to file information returns) is amended by inserting after &quot;income tax withheld),&quot;
the following: &quot;and in the case of each failure to furnish a statement
required by section 6053(b) (relating to statements furnished by employers with respect to tips),&quot;.
(C) Section 6674 of such Code (relating to fraudulent statement or
failure to furnish statement to employee] is amended by striking out
&quot;6051&quot; each place it appears and inserting in lieu thereof &quot;6051 or
6053(b)&quot;.
^
^^
^
(D) The table of sections for such subpart G is amended by adding
at the end thereof the following:
&quot;Sec. 6053. Reporting of tips.&quot;
(3) Section 6652 of such Code (relating to failure to file certain
information returns) is amended by redesignating subsection (c) as
subsection (d) and by inserting after subsection (b) the following
new subsection:
&quot;(c) FAILURE To REPORT T I P S. — I n the case of failure by an employee to report to his employer on the date and in the manner prescribed therefor any amount of tips required to be so reported by section 6053(a) which are wages (as defined in section 3121(a)), unless
it is shown that such failure is due to reasonable cause and not due to
willful neglect, there shall be paid by the employee, in addition to the
tax imposed by section 3101 with respect to the amount of tips which
he so failed to report, an amount fequal to 50 percent of such tax.&quot;
(f) The amendments made by this section shall apply only with
respect to tips received by employees after 1965.

385

Post, p. 39 5.
26 USC 3102.

H l&quot;^^^ ^^l
^&quot;^'^*
68A Stat. 8 28.
26 USC 6674.

o^'^il^^^^nlV
26 USC 6051.

^6 USC*3m'
^°^'' P- ^^S.

I N C L U S I O N OP ALASKA AMONG STATES PERMITTED TO DIVIDE THEIR RETIREMENT SYSTEMS

SEC. 314. The first sentence of section 218(d)(6)(C) of the Social
Security Act is amended by inserting &quot;Alaska,&quot; before &quot;California&quot;. \l ^*|^- ^^^g^^ADDITIONAL PERIOD FOR ELECTING COVERAGE UNDER DIVIDED RETIREMENT
SYSTEM

SEC. 315. The first sentence of section 218(d)(6)(F) of the Social
Security Act is amended by striking out &quot;1963&quot; and inserting in lieu,Jof*f*'ii°^^'
thereof &quot;1967&quot;.
42 USC fis.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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Ante. p. 213.

PUBLIC LAW 89-298-OCT. 27, 1965

[79 STAT.

including such reformulation as may be necessary to comply with the
Federal Water Project Recreation Act.
RED RIVER o r THE NORTH BASIN

The project for flood protection on the Roseau River, Minnesota, is
hereby authorized substantially in accordance with the recommendations of the Chief of Engineers in House Document Numbered 282,
Eighty-ninth Congress, at an estimated cost of $2,550,000.
UPPER MISSISSIPPI RIVER BASIN

R-^er'^m'^^^
'project'modification.
7 2 Stat. 310.

fver Tt'r^
'project'^modification.

The project for flood protection at East Saint Louis and vicinity,
Illinois (East Side levee and sanitary district), is hereby authorized
substantially as recommended by the Chief of Engineers in House
Document Numbered 329, Eighty-eighth Congress, at an estimated
cost of $6,180,000.
The project for the Kaskaskia River, Illinois, authorized by the
Flood Coutrol Act of 1958 (Public Law 500, Eighty-fifth Congress),
in accordance with the recommendations of the Chief of Engineers in
House Documeut Numbered 232, Eighty-fifth Congress, is hereby
modified substantially as recommended by the Chief of Engineers in
House Document Numbered 351, Eighty-eighth Congress, to provide
for the deletion from the items of local cooperation the requirement
of a cash contribution due to changed land use, at an estimated
increased Federal cost of $3,498,000, if local interests make a cash
contribution of an amount equal to the full cost of acquisition of
flowage easements in those lands which are no longer needed for construction, operation, and maintenance of Carlyle Reservoir.
The project for the Wood River Drainage and Levee District,
Madison County, Illinois, is hereby authorized substantially as recommended by the Chief of Engineers in House Document Numbered 150,
Eighty-eighth Congress, at an estimated cost of $179,000.
The project for Ames Dam and Reservoir, Skunk River, Iowa, is
hereby authorized substantially in accordance with the recommendations of the Chief of Engineers, as modified by the Secretary of the
Army, in House Document Numbered 267, Eighty-ninth Congress, at
an estimated cost of $12,893,000.
The projects for flood protection at Marshalltown and Waterloo on
the Iowa and Cedar Rivers, Iowa, are hereby authorized substantially
in accordance with the recommendations of the Chief of Engineers in
House Document Numbered 166, Eighty-ninth Congress, at an estimated cost of $17,570,000.
The project for the Zumbro River, Minnesota, is hereby authorized
substantially as recommended by the Chief of Engineers in House
Document Numbered 246, Eighty-eighth Congress, at an estimated
cost of $975,000.
The project for the Big Stone Lake and Whetstone River, Minnesota and South Dakota, is hereby authorized substantially as recommended by the Chief of Engineers in House Document Numbered 579,
Eighty-seventh Congress, and House Document Numbered 193,
Eighty-eighth Congress, at an estimated cost of $3,885,000.
'^^^ project on the Des Moines River for flood protection of Des
Molues, Iowa, House Document Numbered 651, Seventy-eighth Congress, authorized by the Act of December 22, 1944 (58 Stat. 887), is
hereby modified to eliminate the requirement recommended in paragraph 10(a)(2) of the report of the Chief of Engineers dated December 13, 1943, that local interests bear the expense of repairs and provision of gates on existing drains.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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SCHEDULE 8. - SPECIAL CLASSIFICATION PROVISIONS
Part 2. - Personal Exemptions

411
Rates of Duty

PART 2. - PERSONAL EXEMPTIONS
Part 2 headnote:
I.
Any a r t i c l e exempted under t h i s part from the
payment o f duty s h a l l be exempt a l s o from the payment
of any I n t e r n a l - r e v e n u e tax Imposed upon or by r e a son of Importation.

Subpart A. - Residents and Nonresidents
Subpart A headnotes;
1.

If —

la) any Jewelry or similar articles of personal
adornment having an aggregate value of $300
or more which have been exempted from duty
under Item 812.10 or any article which has
been exempted from duty under item 813.32 Is
sold within 3 years after the date of Importation, or
lb) any article which has been exempted from
duty under item 812.30 is sold within I year
after the date of Importation, or
Ic) any automobile exempted from duty under item
313.25 Is used otherwise than for the purpose
therein expressed or Is not returned abroad
within the time and manner prescribed by the
Secretary of the Treasury,
without prior payment to the United States of the
duty which would have been payable at the time of
entry If the article had been entered without the
benefit of any of these Items, such article, or its
value (to be recovered from the importer), shall be
subject to forfeiture. An article sold pursuant to
a judicial order or in liquidation of the estate of
a decedent shall not be subject to the provisions of
this note.
2.
In the case of persons arriving from a contiguous country which maintains a free zone or free
port, if the Secretary of the Treasury deems it
necessary In the public interest and to facilitate
enforcement of the requirement that the exemption
In item 813.31 shall apply only to articles
acquired as an incident of the foreign Journey, he
shall prescribe by regulation or instruction, the
application of which may be restricted to one or
more ports of entry, that such exemption shall be
allowed only to residents who have remained beyond
the territorial limits of the United States for not
less than a specified period, not to exceed 24 hours,^
and,after the expiration of 90 days after the date
of such regulation or instruct Ion,allowance of the
said exemption shall be subject to the limitations
so prescribed.
3. A person arriving In the United States —
(a) on duty as an employee of a vessel,
vehicle, or aircraft, engaged In international traffic, or
(b) from,a trip during which he was so
employed
shall not be entitled to the exemptions provided for
In this subpart (other than those In Item 314.00),
unless he is permanently leaving such employment
without the intention of resuming it on the same
or another carrier.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PUBLIC LAW 88-117-SEPT. 6, 1963

151

&quot;THE STATE OF WASHINGTON
&quot;By ALBERT D. ROSELLINI, Governor

&quot;Dated: 10-25-62
&quot;Attest: VICTOR A. MEYERS

&quot;Secretary of State
&quot;(SEAL)

&quot;THE STATE OF W E S T VIRGINIA
&quot;By W. W. BARRON, Governor

&quot;Dated: 10-10-62
&quot;Attest: J O E F. BURDETT

&quot;Secretary of State
&quot;(SEAL)

&quot;THE STATE OF WYOMING
&quot; By JACK R. GAGE, Governor

&quot;Dated: 10-3-62
&quot;Attest: ROBERT OUTSEN

&quot;Deputy Secretary of State
&quot;(SEAL)&quot;.

SEC. 2. The Attorney General of the United States shall continue Report to conto make an annual report to Congress, as provided in section 2 of ^&quot;^g^^^^^ ^g^
Public Law 185, Eighty-fourth Congress, for the duration of the
Interstate Compact to Conserve Oil and Gas as to whether or not the
activities of the States under the provisions pf such compact have been
consistent with the purposes as set out in article V of such compact.
SEC. 3. The right to alter, amend, or repeal the provisions of the first
section of this joint resolution is hereby expressly reserved.
Powers reserved.
Approved September 6, 1963Public Law 88-116
AN A P T
^ i &gt; ^v_/ X

To approve an order of the Secretary of the Interior canceling irrigation
charges against non-Indian-owned lands under the Wind River Indian
irrigation project, Wyoming, and for other purposes.

September 6, 1963

[H. R..6710]

Be it eruicted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United Statex of America in dongress assembled. That, in accordance wind River, wyo.
with the provision of the Act of June 22, 1936 (49 Stat. 1803,25 U.S.C. J&quot;^^^^'°'' ^'°^
')89-389e), the order of the Secretary of the Interior canceling delin- ^ cancellation of
(juent operation and maintenance irrigation charges in the amount of '^'^^'•Bes.
$1,134.99, which includes both principal and accrued interest thereon,
against lands on the Wind River Indian irrigation project, Wyoming,
described as the northwest quarter northwest quarter, southwest:
quarter northwest quarter of section 9, township 1 south, range 4 east,
AVind River meridian, and a contract for the deferred payment of
delinquent charges in the amount of $2,331.59, are hereby approved.
Approved September 6, 1963.
Public Law 88-117
AN ACT

September 6, 1963

To designate the dam being constnicted and the reservoir to be formed on the
Des Moines River, Iowa, as the Red Rock Dam and Lake Red Rock.

^ ' ' ^^^5]

Be it eruicted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled, That the dam now Red Rock Dam
being constructed on the Des Moines River in Iowa, authorized by the ^tiM^wa ^'^
Flood Control Act of June 28, 1938 (52 Stat. 1216; Public Law 761,&lt;noinclude&gt;
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OBAHH, Bight Bev. Martin, D.D. (1828-1901), Roman Catholic Prelate, 
was born in the C«&gt;unty of Wexford, Ireland. After his novitiate as an 
Augustinian at Grantstown, Wexford, and studying at Perugia, Italy, he 
returned to Ireland In 1849, and was twice Provincial of the Augustlnlan 
Order. He was consecrated first Bishop of Sandhurst, Victoria, In the 
Pro-Cathedral, Dublin, by Cardinal Cullen on 21st September 1874. Died 
21st October, 1901.

OVBVOW, William (1882-1903), journalist, was born in Cornwall, and 
came to Australia in 1864. For many years he was a minister of the Wes- 
leyan Methodist Church. He was editor of The Sydney Morning Herald 
from 1885 till 1903.

CI7THBEBT, Hon. Sir Henry, K.C.M.G.. K.C. (1829-1907), Victorian 
lawyer and legislator. He was born In Roscommon, Ireland, 29th July, 
1S29, admitted a solicitor in his native country in 1854, and came to Aus- 
tralia the following year. He sat in the Legislative Council of Victoria 
for many years, and held office in several ministries, including the port- 
folios of Postmaster-General in 1877-8, Commissioner of Customs in 1880, 
Minister for Justice 1886-90, and Solicitor-General In 1894-9. 

&gt;«alinr, Victor James (1868-1905), poet, was born at Navan, County 
Armagh. Ireland, 5t&gt;i September 1858, father Irish and mother a Morrison 
of Scottish descent. He came to Australia before he was twenty, was a 
clerk in an office at Adelaide for a short period, and after spending some 
time in Melbourne, settled in Sydney, where he wrote for Australian 
papers, principally The Bulletin. About 1888 he again went to Melbourne, 
and contributed verse and prose to various journals. His book of verse 
At Dawn and Dusk, was published In 1898. He died at Sydney, 29th December, 
1905. (See Australian Veise Writers, Victor Daley, by A. G. Stephens, 1906). 

DABUVCh John, (1831-1905), merchant, was born in Edinburgh, Scot- 
land, and arrived in South Australia in 1865. He founded the firm of John 
Darling &amp; Son, giain merchants, in 1864, sat In both Houses of the 
Legislature, and was sometime Minister of the Crown in his State. 

DAVBHPORT, Sir Samuel, K.C.M.G., LL.D. (1818-1906), South Austra- 
lian pioneer, was born at Shirburn, Oxfordshire, 5th March, 1818, and 
came to South Australia in 1842. He sat in the South Australian Parlia- 
ment before and after responsible government was granted, and held office 
in the first Ministry and was frequently Executive Commissioner for the 
colony at International Exhibitions, for which services he was knighted 
and received the honorary LLD. degree of Cambridge. He was a noted 
olive grower and viticulturlst, and was among the very first to introduce 
the olive to Australia. (See Johns'* Notable Australians 1st ed., and The Register, 
Adelaide, of 4th September 1906.) Died at Beaumont his estate, near 
Adelaide, 3rd Sept. 1906. 

DXBB8, Hon. Six George Biohard, K.C.M.G. (1834-1904), thrice Premier 
of New South Wales, was born at Sydney, 12th October 1834, and entered 
Parliament for West Sydney in 1874. He was Premier in 1885, 1889, and 
from 1891 to 1894, sometime Treasurer and Colonial Secretary, and 
knighted in 1892 for his political service. A leader of the Protectionist 
movement, and a politician of great force of character. 

BXCXSOV, Hon. Sir James Bobert, K.C.M.G. (1832-1901), Queensland 
politician, was born at Plymouth In 1832. He entered the Legislative As- 
sembly of Queensland in 1873, held office In several Governments, and was 
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PUBLIC LAW 99-145—NOV. 8, 1985
(b) AGENCIES INCLUDED.—The President shall provide for participation in the interagency study under subsection (a) by—
(1) the Secretary of State;
(2) the Secretary of Defense;
(3) the Secretary of Energy;
(4) the Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament
Agency;
(5) the heads of appropriate intelligence agencies;
(6) the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and
(7) such other officers as the President may designate.
(c) REPORT.—(1) The President shall submit to Congress a report
on the results of the interagency study.
(2) The report shall be submitted in both a classified and unclassified version.
(3) The report shall be submitted not later than May 1, 1986.
SEC. 1004. SENSE OF CONGRESS RELATING TO UNITED STATES-SOVIET
NEGOTIATIONS ON REDUCTION IN NUCLEAR ARMS

It is the sense of the Congress—
(1) that the President of the United States and the General
Secretary of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics should be commended for their willingness to
meet to discuss major issues in United States-Soviet relations;
and
(2) that following thorough preparation, such meetings should
be used to work for the realization of mutual, equitable, and
verifiable reductions in nuclear arms.
SEC 1005. PILOT PROGRAM FOR EXCHANGE OF CERTAIN HIGH-RANKING
MILITARY AND CIVILIAN PERSONNEL WITH THE SOVIET
UNION

Ante, p. 615.

(a) SUBMISSION OF PLAN.—The Secretary of Defense shall submit
to the appropriate committees of Congress a plan for the establishment and operation during fiscal year 1986 of a pilot program for
the exchange of visits between—
(1) high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of the United
States and high-ranking civilian officials of the Department of
Defense; and
(2) corresponding high-ranking officers and officials of the
Soviet Union.
(b) REQUIREMENTS OF PLAN.—Such plan shall include—
(1) specific identification of the United States officers and
officials selected for participation in the program;
(2) the proposed length of the exchange visits with the Soviet
Union;
(3) a description of the specific goals of each exchange visit;
(4) an estimate of the cost to the United States of participation in each visit;
(5) a description of any special actions that will be taken to
protect classified information of the United States during any
visit to the United States by officers or officials of the Soviet
Union who are participating in the p n ^ r a m; and
(6) any other details of the prt^ram that the Secretary considers appropriate.
(c) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.—Of the funds appropriated pursuant
to section 301(a), the sum of $100,000 shall be available only for costs
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PORTER 

of Women's Clubs, and Nat. Fed. of &quot;Women's 
Clubs. Favors woman suffrage; mem, E&gt;qual 
Rights League of Champaign and Urbana. Has 
written poems for several public occasions, and 
some have been publisihed. Helped organize the 
first literary society for girls in Univ. of Wis., 
and was Its first pres. 

PORTEB, Delis L.ymaii (Mrs. Frank Chamberlin 
Porter), 266 Bradley St., New Haven, Conn. 
Bom New Haven, Conn., Oct. 3, 1858; dau. 
Chester S and Delia Williams (Wood) Lyman; 
ed. Wellesley Coll., 1876-77, 1880 (a founder of 
Zeta Alpha Soc.); m. New Haven, June 10, 1891, 
Frank Chamberlin Porter, prof, of Biblical 
theology, Yale; children: Lyman Edwards, Will- 
iam Quincy. Pres. Lowell House Mothers' Club; 
mem. Lowell House Council, New Haven; mem. 
of commission appointed by Governor of Conn, to 
select a woman factory inspector for Conn. Au- 
thor; Calendar of American History; Blues Cure; 
The Measuring Rod and Other Stories; An Anti- 
Worry Recipe and Other Stories; Year Book of 
Good Cheer; Yeai- Book of Ideals; Life of E. H. 
Freeman (in Scribner's Magazine) ; Time and 
Tommy; How Polly Saw the Aprons Grow (in 
St Nicholas); also other articles in magazines 
and papers. Congregationalist. Mem. Conn. Soc. 
of Colonial Dames, D.A.R. Recreation: Piano 
playing. Mem. New Haven Saturday Morning 
Club, Civic Fed. Founded Zeta Alpha Soc. in 
Welleeley Coll.; founded People's Choral Union 
In Nefw Haven; founded Lowell House Mothers' 
Club, and Lowell House Noon-Day Club for 
Girls. Largely through her efforts a bUl was 
passed to establish a woman factory inspector in 
Conn. 

PORTEB, Ella Camthers (Mrs. J. N. Porter), 

Park Hotel, Dallas, Texas. 

Bom Caruthers Valley, Tex., 1864; dau. Capt 
Samuel and Lula C. (Cox) Caruthers; ed. Nash- 
ville Coll. for Young Ladies; Chicago Univ., cer- 
tificate of proficiency in history; m. Kimball, 
Tex., 1878, J. N. Porter; children: Mary, Stella, 
Lillian Porter. Appointed by governor as dele- 
gate to organization of Nat. Congress of Moth- 
ers, Washington, B.Ots 18S8; State organizer of 
Nat. Congress of Mothers; organized and 1st 
pres. of Texas Congress of Mothers; sup't Moth- 
ers' Dep't Texas W.C.T.U. 12 years; sent as 
delegate to World's Temperance Convention, Ed- 
inburgh, Scotland, 1900. Favors woman suf- 
Irage. Hsls contributed articles to numerous publi- 
cations on responsibility of Motherhood. Metho- 
dist. Mem. Dallas Mothers' Council, Dallas Wom- 
an's Forum, Texas Conference for Education, 
W.C.T.U., State Soc. of Charities and Correc- 
tions, Y.W.C.A., State Social Hygiene Ass'n, 
Dallas. 

FOBTXIB, Mrs. Morence Colliiis, 733 S. Alvarado 

St., Los Angeles, Cal. 

Writer, editor; b. Caribou, Me.; dau. Samuel 
W. and Dorcas (Hardison) Collins; ed. in public 
schools and academy of Me. ; m. Caribou, Me., 
Nov. 3, 1873, Rev. Charles Porter (died 1893); 
children: Helen Louise, Florence Spaulding, 
Charles Winthrop. Removed from Maine to Cal. 
1900; on editorial staff of Los Angeles Herald, 
1900-05. Especially active in McKlnley Boys' 
Home, Los Angeles. Pres. Los Angeles Equal 
Suffrage Ass'n. Writer for periodicals, also for- 
mer publisher of a weekly newspaper; on edi- 
torial staff of California Outlook and The Woman 
Citizen of San Francisco. Congregationalist. 
Repuilican. Mem. Friday Morning and Ebell 
Clubs; vice-pres. Cal. Fed. of Women's Clubs, 
1904-06; pres. Me. Fed. of Women's Clubs, 1898- 
1900. Delegate to Chicago Nat. Republican Con- 
vention, 1912 (first woman to vote in such a con- 
vention) ; named as one of the thirteen Presi- 
dential electors on the Roosevelt-Johnson ticket, 
1912. 

PORTEB, Gene Stratton (Mrs. Charles Porter) 
— Bee Stratton-Porter, Gene. 

PORTEB, Georgia Pulsifer (Mrs. Charles B. 

Porter), Old Town, Me. 

Born Ellsworth, Me. ; dau. Dr. Moses Rust and 
Mary L. (Berry) Pulsifer, of old New EJngland 
ancestry; ed. public schools, boarding school, and 

several private courses; m. (Jharles B. Porter, 
M.D. ; children: Karl B., Harry W. Newspaper 
and magazine writer. Associated Press correspon- 
dent. Interested in women's clubs, press clubs, 
D.A.R. Mem. Y/.C.T.U., New England Women's 
Press Club, King's Daughters, Charity Ass'n, 
library work. Unitarian. Against woman suf- 
frage. Has lectured for W.C.T.U. and read pa- 
pers before clubs. Unitarian conferences, etc.; 
was one of the prime movers for a library in 
Old Town. 

PORTER, Georgia Whidden (Mrs. George M. 

Porter), 60 Longwood Av., Brookline, Mass. 

Born Boston, Mass.; dau. Andrew G. and Eliza- 
beth (Goodwin) Whidden; ed. public schools, Bos- 
ton; Bradford Acad., Cambridge, Mass.; m. 
Brookline, Mass., Oct. 6, 1903, George M. Porter, 
merchant. Active in religious and philanthropla 
interests. Donor of the Whidden Memorial Hos- 
pital and from the first a member of its B'd ot 
Managers. Vice-pres. Boston North End Mission, 
Boston Y.W.C.A. and identified with other char- 
itable and hospital boards. 

PORTEB, Helen Talbot (Mrs. J. Benton Por- 
ter), 1433 Spruce St., Philadelphia, Pa, 
Writer; b. Providence, R.I., June 1, 1872; dau. 
William Richmond and Mary Cornelia (Arnold) 
Talbot; ed. in private schools at Providence; m. 
Providence, Nov. 7, 1901, J. Benton Porter. 
Against woman suffrage. Author of short sto- 
ries and verses in magazines. Ckaigregationalist. 
Mem. D.A.R., Pa, Soc. of New England Women. 

PORTEB, Josephine Perry (Mrs. Ellas Hull Por- 
ter), 1010 South Oakdale Av., Medford, Ore. 
Bom Worcester, Mass., June 6, 1874; dau. Jo- 
seph Stone and Lucy Ann (Day) Perry; ed.. 
graded and high schools, Worcester, Mass. ; Smith 
Coll., B.L. '96 (Biological Club); m. Worcester, 
Mass., June 6, 1907, Dr. Ellas Hull Porter; chil- 
dren: Robert Day, b. Oct. 17, 1908; Bertha, b. 
teb. 16, 1910; Norris Kent, b. Sept 14, 1912. 
Interested and active in church and in Good 
Samaritan Soc. work. Mem. Greater Medford 
Club, Smith College Club, and of the Woman's 
College Club of Medford. Recreations: Walking, 
bowling, outdoor life. Congregationalist FavcH^ 
woman suffrage. Progressive Republican. 

PORTEB, Kate Leiand Lincoln (Mrs. Robert 
Brastow Porter), 4 Day St., North Easton, 

Mass. 

Bom Massachusetts; grad. Smith Coll., B.S. 
'99; m. June 1, 1905, Robert Brastow Porter. 
Teacher, Beverly (Mass.) High School, 1899-1900; 
Wakefield (Mass.) High School, 1901-02; Miss 
Wlnsor's School for Girls, Boston, 1902-03; Bel- 
low's School, Boston, 1903-05. Mem. Smith Coll. 
AlumuEB Ass'n. 

PORTEB, Katherine, Oakwood Court, Orange, 

N.J. 

Physician; b. Baltimore, Md., Jan. 30, 1872; 
dau. Frederic and Esther (Jefferis) Porter; ed. 
Fi-iends Elementary and High School, Baltimore, 
Md. ; student in preliminary medical course, Bryn 
Mawr Coll., A.B. '94; Johns Hopkins Med. School, 
M.D. '98. State sec. Public Health Education 
Com. of Am. Med. Ass'n, 1909-11; chairman Pub- 
lic Health Education Com. of Essex Co. Med. 
Soc, 1910 — ; house physician N.Y. Infirmary for 
Women and Children, N.Y. City, 1898-99; aas't 
surgeon until 1904; externe Orange Memorial Dis- 
pensary, 1900-07; physician to Children's Aid and 
Protective Soc. of the Oranges, 1899—; med. in- 
spector of Orange public schools, 1909—. Physi- 
cian specialist in gynecology and lecturer. Vice- 
pres. N.J. George Junior Republic Ass'n; mem. 
Board of Directors of Antl-Tuberailosls League 
of the Oranges; mem. Board of Directors of 
Fresh-Air Work of the Oranges. Mem. Am. 
Vigilance Ass'n. Favors woman suffrage. Mem. 
Soc. of Friends; mem. Am. Med. Ass'n, Essex 
Co. Med. Soc., Alumnae Ass'n of Bryn Mawr 
Coll., Woman's Club of Orange. 

PORTEB, Margaret Cochran Dewar (Mrs, 
Charles Allen Porter), 254 Beacon St, Bo» 
ton, Mass. 

Physician; b. Kandy, C«ylon, April 20, 1872. 
dau. John Lewthwaite and Amelia (Cochran) 
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STRACHAUER— STREET 

BTBACHAUEB. Gertrude Louise Hale (Mrs. Ar- 
thur C. Strachauer), 227 Oak Grove St., Min- 
neapolis, Minn. 

Born Minneapolis, Minn., Oct. 31, 1880; dau. 
Major William Dinsmore and Flora (Hammond) 
Hale; ed. Minneapolis public schools; Univ. of 
Minn.; New England Conservatory of Music, 
Boston, and in Florence, Italy, and Paris, 
France (Kappa Kappa Gamma) ; m. Minneapolis, 
Minn., Dr. Arthur C. Strachauer; one son: Her- 
mann Hale. Interested in church work. Unity 
House (social settlement). Mem. D.A.R., Church 
of the Redeemer (Universalist). 

STRAIGHT, Mrs. Johnson W., 6 34 Hagre St., 

St. Paul, Minn. 

JBorn Griggsville, 111., Jan. 20, 1844; dau. Leon- 
ard Boone and Sliza Campbell (Key) Elledge; ed. 
Normal School, Bloomington, III.; m. Griggsville, 
1865, Johnson W. Straight, of Bloomington, 111.; 
children: Leonard Arba, Herbert Marshall. 
Teacher of dramatic reading in Bloomington, 111., 
1875-87. Pres. of Federated Club in St. Paul, 
Minn.; The Dames of the Round Table, belong- 
ing to both State and Nat. Federations; organized 
the club in 1901 and is still pres. Against woman 
suffrage. Christian Scientist. Recreations: 
Bridge whist, fishing, 
STRANGE, Mary Margaret (Mrs. John Strange), 

East Forest Av., Neenah, Wis. 

Born Neenah, Wis., Aug. 18, 1854; dau. Hugh 
and Catherine (Roberts) McGregor; ed. high 
school of Neenah; m. Neenah, Wis., John 
Strange (ex-Lieut. Gov. of Wis.); children: 
Katherine McMillen, Ethel M. McLaughlin, Hugh 
McGregor, John Paul. Mem. of State Board of 
Directors of Fed. cf V/ omen's Clubs of Wis.; 
pres. of Eccncmics Club of Neenah and Menasha, 
Wis.; vice-pres. Eighth Dist. -of Wis. Fed. of 
Women's Clubs. Favors woman suffrage. Pres- 
byterian. Republican. Mem. Twentieth Century 
Club of Oshkosh. Has summer home on Doty's 
Island in Lake Winnebago, occupying the old log 
house (still in excellent repair) which was for- 
merly owned by Gov. Doty, second Territorial 
Governor of Wisconsin. 
STRATHCONA, Baroness Isabella Sophia, 28 

Grosvenor Square, London, W., England. 

Dau. of the late Richard Hardistry; ed. Edin- 
burgh, Scotland; m. Hon. Donald A. Smith, 
afterward raised to the peerage as Baron Strath- 
cona (died Jan. 20, 1914); one daughter: Lady 
Margaret Charlotte Howard. In conjunction 
with her daughter gave $10,000 to McGill Univ. 
for the erection of a new wing to its Medical 
Building. 

STRATHEARN, Sophia (Mrs. J. A. Strathearn), 

South Kaukauna, Wis. 

Born Lansing, la., Oct. 4, 1865; dau. L. M. and 
Guri (Aslagson) Nelson; ed. common schools; m. 
La Crosse, Wis., Mar. 27, 1889, J. A. Strathearn; 
children: Robert Merrie, b. 1891; John G., b. 
1893; Janet, b. 1835. First sec. of the Dep't of 
Wis. Woman's Relief Corps, serving five con- 
secutive terms and again for one year in 1898; 
pres. of dep't, 1910-11; counselor, 1912; now Na- 
tional Patriotic Instructor of the W.R.C. Record- 
ing sec. of Wis. Consumers' League; sup't pri- 
mary dep't Congregational Sunday-school, sec. of 
Sunday-school County Organization. Congrega- 
tionalist. Mem. Woman's ReHef Corps, Woman's 
Missionary Soc. ; pres. Ladies' Aid Soc. of Con- 
gregational Church. Mem. Kaukauna Woman's 
Club (pres.). Pres. (formerly rec. sec, district 
vice-pres. and second vice-pres.) of the Wis. 
State Fed. of Women's Clubs; mem. Drama 
League of Wisconsin. 

STRATTON, Anna Booth (Mrs. Alfred William 
Stratton), 31 Summerhill Av., Toronto, Can. 
Born Manchester, III., 1859; dau. William Mont- 
gomery and Sarah Ann (Knox) Simms; ed. Univ. 
of Chicago. 1895-1900; grammar schools, Man- 
chester, I'.l., and Normal, 111.; m. Bombay, India, 
November. 1902, Alfred William Stratton, Ph.D., 
register of Panjab Univ. and principal of Orien- 
tal Coll., Lahore. Favors woman suffrage. 
Mem. Equal Suffrage Soc, Toronto. Has edited 
her husband's Letters from India, published in 
England a few years ago. Anglican. Recrea- 

tions: Walking, reading; interested in making 
converts to suffrage. Has done a little free- 
lance writing in the way of poems, journalistic 
articles, etc. 

STRATTON, Anna Reese, 1112 Milton Av., 
S#issdale, Pa,; office, Pittsburgh Gazette- 
Times, Pittsburgh, Pa. 

Journalist; b. Bryan, 0.; dau. Rev. Joel Van 
Meter and Elizabeth (Reese) Stratton; grad. Mt. 
Holyoke Coll., 1892. Treas. Soho Baths Settle- 
ment, Pittsburgh, since 1906. Baptist. Mem. 
League of Am. Pen-Women (Washington, D.C.), 
Pa. State Editorial Ass'n, College Club of Pitts- 
burgh, Mt. Holyoke AluomEe Ass'n, Wednesday 
Current Events Class (Pittsburgh), Consumers' 
League of Western Pa. ; chairman Press Com. 
State Fed. of Pa. Women. 

STRATTON, Margaret Elizabeth, Stratford, Conn. 
Teacher (retired); b. Stratford, Conn., Apr. 17, 
1844; dau. Marcus and Sarah Sophia (Curtis) 
Stratton; ed. Stratford Acad.; Oberlin Coll., 
B.A. '78, M.A. '82. Established and conducted 
schools for colored students, Florida and Virginia, 
1866-76; assoc. principal of Oberlin Coll., 1878-81; 
prof. English language and rhetoric, Wellesley 
Coll., 1881-99; dean of Wellesley Coll., 1895-99; 
dean of women, Univ. of Colorado, 1901-04. Fa- 
vors woman suffrage. Congregationalist.. Rec- 
reation: Travel. 

STBATTON-PORTEB, Gene (Mrs. Charles Por- 
ter), Limberlost Cabin, Geneva, Ind. 
Artist, author; b. Hopewell Farm, Wabash, 
Ind.; dau. Mark and Mary (Siiallenberger) Strat- 
ton; ed. privately; m. Wabash, Ind., Charles 
Porter; one daughter: Jeannette Helen Porter. 
Author and illustrator: The Song of the Cardinal; 
Freckles; What I Have Done with Birds; At 
the Foot of the Rainbow; Birds of the Bible; A 
Girl of the Limberlost; Music of the Wild; The 
Harvester; Moths of the Limberlost. Especially 
well known for work in photographing natural 
history subjects, birds, flowers and moths. Rec- 
reation: Water-color painting. 

STBAUSS, A. J. (Mrs. Abe Strauss), 204 W. 

Mitchell St., Kendallville, Ind. 

Business woman; b. Kaiserslantem, Germany; 
dau. Jacob and Mathilde Steiner; ed. Metz, 
Germany, Antwerp, Belgium, South Chicago 
High School; m. Chicago, 1893, Abe Strauss; 
children: Alvin, Herman. Mem. Order Eastern 
Star, Rebekah Lodge, Mishawaka Orphan's Home 
Auxiliary, Shakespeare Club. Recreations: Card 
playing, dancing, tHeaters, lectures. Jewish. 
Against woman suffrage, except on school ques- 
tions. 
STBEAN, Maria Jndson, 130 &quot;W. Fifty-seventh 

St., N.Y. City. 

Artist (principally miniatures); b. Washington, 
Pa. ; dau. Robert Fulton and Maria Judson 
(Greenleaf) Strean; ed. Washington Sem. Mem. 
Am. Soc. of Miniature Painters, Pa. Soc. of 
Miniature Painters, N.Y. Water Color Club, 
Woman's Art Club of N.Y., Union Internationale 
des Beaux-Arts et des Lettres of Paris. Presby- 
terian. Received honorable mention at Buffalo 
Exposition, 1907; exhibited in principal American 
cities, London and Paris. Favors woman suf- 
frage. 
STBEEPEB, Gertrude Mitchell (Mrs. John S. 

Streeper), 128 Lexington Av., N.Y. City. 

Physician; grad. Mt. Holyoke Coll., A.B. '84; 
Woman's Med. Coll. of Pa., Philadelphia, M.D. 
'92; graduate student in German and French, 
Bryn Mawr Coll., 1894-95; student Univ. of 
Vienna, 1902-03; m. ]906, John S. Streeper. Prac- 
tising physician, Washington, Pa., 1896-1904; 
Brooklyn, N.Y., 1906-07; school med. inspector for 
N.Y. B'd of Health, 1905-06. 
STREET, Ida 3Iaria, R.F.D. No. 5, Moscow, 

Idaho. 

Born in Oskaloosa, Iowa; dau. William B. 
and Parolina (Cobb) Street; ed. Oskaloosa High 
School, Vassar, A.B. '80; Univ. of Mic^i., A.M. 
'89. Head of dep't of English, Ferry Hall Sem., 
Lake Forest, 111.; teacher of English, East 
Division High School, Milwaukee, Wis., 10 years. 
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102 STAT. 2157

restore any apportionments which, prior to enactment of this Act,
were reduced or reserved from obligation for reason of non-compliance mider section 154(f) during said fiscal years.
SEC. 352. Section 149(k)(l) of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1987
is amended by adding paragraph (U) as follows:
&quot;(U) EIASTPORT TO HOMEDALE, IDAHO.—The Secretary is authorized

to carry out work on the United States Route 95 lughway in the
State of Idaho fh)m Eastport, Idaho, to Homedale, Idaho.&quot;.
SEC. 353. Paragraph (1) of section 149(k) of the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1987 is amended by adding at the end thereof the
following new subparagraph:
&quot;(V) UNITED STATES ROUTE 23 AND THE CHARLOTTE OUTER LOOP IN
NORTH CAROLINA.—The Secretary is authorized to carry out high-

way projects in the State of North Carolina—
&quot;(i) from the interchange of Interstate Routes 26, 40, and 240
in Ashevilie, North Carolina to the border of the State of
Tennessee, and
&quot;(ii) from Interstate Route 77S east to Interstate Route 85N of
the Qiarlotte Outer Loop.&quot;.
SEC. 354. From funds appropriated to the Department of Transportation by this Act, the Secretary of Transportation is authorized,
notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, to make available,
not to exceed $500,000, to assist local interests in developing planning studies for the relocation of railroad tracks on c o l l i e campuses
to eliminate hazardous, unsafe, and adverse environmental
conditions.
This Act may be cited as the 'Department of Transportation and
Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1989&quot;.
Approved September 30, 1988.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 4794:
HOUSE REPORTS: No. 100-691 (Comm. on Appropriations) and No. 100-957 (Coram.
of Conference).
SENATE REPORTS: No. 100-411 (Comm. on Appropriations).
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 134 (1988):
June 28, 29, considered and passed House.
July 12, considered and passed Senate, amended.
Sept. 27, House agreed to conference report; receded and concurred in certain
Senate smiendments, in others with amendments; and insisted on disagreement to certain Senate amendments.
Sept. 28, Senate agreed to conference report; concurred in certain House
amendments; receded from amendment No. 12; insisted on amendment No.
121. House receded and concurred in Senate amendment.

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PUBLIC LAW 100-527—OCT. 25, 1988

Chairman of the Commission. Not more than four of the members appointed by the President may be from the same political
party as the President.
(2) Two members of the Senate and one citizen of the United
States appointed by the President pro tempore of the Senate
upon the recommendation of the majority leader of the Senate.
(3) One Member of the Senate and one citizen of the United
States appointed by the President pro tempore of the Senate
upon the recommendation of the minority leader of the Senate.
(4) Two members of the House of Representatives and one
citizen of the United States appointed by the Speaker of the
House of Representatives upon the recommendation of the
majority leader of the House of Representatives.
(5) One Member of the House of Representatives and one
citizen of the United States appointed by the Speaker of the
House of Representatives upon the recommendation of the
minority leader of the House of Representatives.
(c) RESTRICTIONS ON PAY AND ALLOWANCES.-K1) Elxcept as provided in paragraph (2), members of the Commission shall receive no
pay, allowances, or benefits by reason of service on the Commission.
(2) Members of the Commission appointed from among private
citizens of the United States may be allowed travel expenses, including per diem, in lieu of subsistence, as authorized by law for persons
serving intermittentiy in the Federad Government.
(d) FUNCTIONS OF COMMISSION.—The Commission shall examine
and make recommendations with respect to—
(1) criteria for use by the President and Congress in evaluating proposals for chsmges in the structure of the executive
branch of the Federal Government, including criteria for use by
the President and Congress in evaluating and overseeing
GovernmentHsponsored enterprises and Government corporations;
(2) the oxganization of the executive branch, including the
number of departments and the organizational structure of
each such department, the advisability of reorganizing or abolishing any such department, and the advisability of establishing
any new executive department;
(3) the most effective and practicable structure of the Executive Office of the President for conducting oversight of the
executive branch, and criteria for use by such Office in evaluating and overseeing the performance of the executive branch;
and
(4) the most effective and practicable structure of the President's cabinet and means of operation of such cabinet, including
recommendations concerning the number, composition, and
duties of the members of such cabinet.
(e) REPORT.—(1) Not later than 12 months after the completion of
appointment of the members of the Commission, the Commission
shall submit to the President, the Senate, and the House of Representatives a report which contains a detailed statement of the
recommendations of the Commission.
(2) The date on which the report is due may be extended to such
date as the F^resident may prescribe in an Executive order, except
that such date may not be later than six months after the date on
which such report is otherwise due under paragraph (1).
(f) PowEBS OF COMMISSION.—(1) The Commission may, for the
purpose of carrying out this section, hold such hearings and sit and&lt;noinclude&gt;
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PUBLIC LAW 100-591—NOV. 3, 1988

(D) Innovative methods for training potential air traffic
controllers to enhance the ben^ts of automation and maximisse the efifeddveness of Ihe air traffic control system.
(E9 New technologies and procedures for exploiting automated conmiunication i^ystems, including Mode S Transponders, to improve information transfers between air
trafBc controllers and aircraft pilots.
(3) REPORT.—Not later than 6 months after the date of the
enactment of this Ad;, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall report to the Congress the Administrator's plans for conducting research under this section.
(c) AGREEMENT WITH AoMmraiRATOR OF NASA.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Administrator of the Federal Aviation
Administration may enter into an agreement with the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration
for use of their unique human factor facilities and expertise in
conducting research activities to study the human factor aspects
of the hi^ily automated environment for the next generation of
air traffic controllers.
(2) CONTENT.—Research under this section shall include investigation of the following:
(A) Human perceptual capabilities and the effect of
computer-aided decisionmaking on the workload and
performance of air traffic controllers.
(B) Information management techniques for advanced air
traffic control display systems.
(Q Air traffic controller workload and performance measures, induding development of predictive models.
(d) AUTHORIZATION OF ApPROPRiAiroira.—For conducting research
under this section there are authorized to be appropriated, from
amounts in the Airport and Airway Trust Fund which are available
for research and development, such sums as may be necessary.
49 USC app.

SEC 9. CRASHWORTHY FUSELAGE FUEL TANKS AND FUEL LINES.

(a) ADVANCE Nones OF PROPOSED RuifMAioNG.—In order to
ensure greater air safety to passengers of air carriers and reduce the
incidence of post-crash fires, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall, within 90 days following the date of
enactment of this Act, issue an advance notice of proposed rulemaking to determine the feasibility of installing in all air carrier
aircraft crashworthy fuselage fuel tanks and fuselage fuel lines
which are rupture resistant and which disconnect and seal in the
event of an accident.
(b) RESEARCH.—Within 60 days following the date of enactment of
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PUBLIC LAW 100-607—NOV. 4, 1988

&quot;(H) Establishing and maintaining preventive health service
programs for screening for, the detection, diagnosis, prevention,
and referral for treatment of, and follow-up on compliance with
treatment prescribed for, uterine cancer and breast cancer.&quot;.
(c) APPLICATION AND DESCRIPTION OF AcnvmES.—Section 1905(d)
of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300w-4(d)) is amended by
adding at the end the following new sentence: &quot;The description shall
include a statement of the pidalic health objectives expected to be
achieved by the State throui^ the use of the payments the State will
receive under section 1903.&quot;.
(d) REPORTS AND AUDITS.—

(1) Section 1906(a) of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C.
300w-5(a)) is amended by adding at the end the following new
paragraph:
&quot;(3) Each annual report required in paragraph (1) shall include—
&quot;(A) information and data on the number of individuals who
received services provided through the use of payments under
section 1903, the types of such services provided, the types of
health care providers that delivered such services, and the cost
of each type of such service;
&quot;(B) such other information and data as the Secretary may
require; and
&quot;(O an evaluation of the extent to which such services have
been effective toward meeting the public health objectives
described in the statement submitted to the Secretary pursuant
to section 1905(d).&quot;.
(2) Section 190601X6) of the Public Health Service Act (42
U.S.C. 300w-5(b)(6)) is amended by striking &quot;1983,&quot; and inserting &quot;1990,&quot;.
SEC. 302. GRANTS FOR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES FOR CHILDREN.
(a) DURATION OF GRANT.—Section 1910(a) of the Public Health

Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300w-9(a)) is amended in the second sentence
by striking &quot;shall be for&quot; and all that follows and inserting the
following: &quot;shall be for not more than a two-year period, subject to
annual evaluation by the Secretary.&quot;.
(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—Section 1910(d) of the

Public Health Service Act (42 U5.C. 300w-9(d)) is amended by
inserting before the period the following: &quot;, $3,0()0,000 for fiscal year
1989, $4,000,000 for fiscal year 1990, and $5,000,000 for fiscal year
1991&quot;.
SEC 303. REPEAL OF PROGRAM OF STATE PLANNING GRANTS.

Part A of title XIX of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C.
42 USC SOOw-io. 300w et seq.) is amended by striking section 1910A.

Subtitle B—Programs With Respect to Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Health Information,
and Health Promotion
SEC 311. GRANTS FOR PREVENTION
DISEASES.

OF SEXUALLY

TRANSMITTED

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102 STAT. 3223

dses scheduled to be conducted under that plan in that channel
during the 12 months following the date of the enactment of
this Act; and
(4) a report on the establishment—
(A) under the Ports and Waterways Safety Act (33 U.S.C.
1221 et seq.) of safety fairways off the coast of California;
and
(B) of the Long Beach NAVTEX in Long Beach, California.
(b) STUDY REVIEW AND REPORT.—The Secretary of Transportation
shall review all Federal, State, and local studies conducted on the
hazards of shipping operations and the risks those operations pose to
the environment and natural resources of the Channel Islands
National Marine Sanctuary, and report to the Congress not later
than 6 months after the date of the enactment of this Act on the
status and recommendations of each of those studies. The Secretary
shall include in the report a recommendation on whether an alternate vessel traffic separation scheme would reduce the risks of
shipping operations to the environment and natural resources in the
Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary.
(c) PROPOSAL OF DESIGNATION OF AREA TO BE AVOIDED.—The Secretary of Transportation shall prepare and submit a proposal to the
International Maritime Organization to designate the portion of the
Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary which is outside of the
Santa Barbara Channel Traffic Separation Scheme, as an area to be
avoided. The Secretary shall ensure that the proposal would not
result in undue interference with international vessel traffic in the
Santa Barbara Channel, with operations associated with the United
States Navy Pacific Missile Test Range, or with enjoyment of the
Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary under title III of the
National Marine Protection, Research, and Sanctuaries Act of 1972
(16 U.S.C.1431etseq.).
S E C 210. REGULATIONS.

Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this
Act, the Secretary of Commerce—
(1) shall propose r^ulations implementing the amendments
made by this title; and
(2) shall issue final r^ulations implementing the amendments made by the Marine Sanctuaries Amendments of 1984.
Approved November 7, 1988.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY—H.R. 4210:
HOUSE REPORTS: No. 100-624, Pt. 1 (Comm. on Merchant Marine and Fisheries).
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 134 (1988):
Oct. 3, 4, considered and passed House.
Oct. 12, considered and passed Senate, amended.
Oct. 13, House concurred in Senate amendments.

16 USC 1432
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PUBLIC LAW 100-679—NOV. 17, 1988

the United States by reason of a change in the contractor's or
subcontractor's cost accounting practices or by reason of a
failure by the contractor or subcontractor to comply with applicable cost accounting standards.
&quot;(2) If the United States and a contractor or subcontractor fail to
agree on a contract price adjustment, including whetiier the contractor or subcontractor has complied with the applicable cost
accounting standards, the disagreement will constitute a dispute
under the Contract D i l u t e s Act (41 U.S.C. 601).
&quot;(3) Any contract price adjustment undertaken pursuant to paragraph (1)^) shall be made, where applicable, on relevant contracts
between the United States and the contractor that are subject to the
cost accounting standards so as to protect the United States from
payment, in t£e aggr^ate, of increased costs (as defined by the
Board). In no case shall the Government recover costs greater than
the increased cost (as defined by the Board) to the Government, in
the aggr^ate, on the relevant contracts subject to the price adjustment, unless the contractor made a change in its cost accounting
practices of which it was aware or should have been aware at the
time of the price negotiation and which it failed to disclose to the
Government.
&quot;(4) The interest rate applicable to any contract price adjustment
shall be the annual rate of interest established under section 6621 of
the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (26 U.S.C. 6621) for such period.
Such interest shall accrue from the time payments of the increased
costs were made to the contractor or subcontractor to the time the
United States receives full compensation for the price adjustment.
&quot;(i) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—The Board shall report to the Congress not later than one year after the date of enactment of this
section, and annually thereedfter, with respect to the activities and
operations of the Board under this section, together with such
recommendations as it considers appropriate.
(j) EFVBCT ON OTHER STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS.—&lt;1) All cost
accounting standards, waivers, exemptions, interpretations, modifications, rules, and r^ulations promulgated by the Cost Accounting
Standards Board under section 719 of the Defense Production Act of
1950 (50 UJS.C. App. 2168) shall remain in effect unless and until
amended, superseded, or rescinded by the Board pursuant to this
section.
&quot;(2) Existing cost accounting standards referred to in paragraph
(1) shall be subject to the provisions of this Act in the same manner
as if promulgated by the Board under this Act.
&quot;(3) The Administrator, under the authority set forth in section 6
of this Act, shall ensure that no r^ulation or proposed regulation of
an executive agency is inconsistent with a cost accounting standard
promulgated or amended under this section by rescinding or denying the promulgation of any such inconsistent regulation or proposed regulation and taking such other action authorized under
section 6 as may be appropriate.
&quot;(4) Costs which are the subject of cost accounting standards
promulgated under this section shall not be subject to regulations
that are established by another executive agency that differ from
such standards with respect to the measurement assignment, and
allocation of such costs.
&quot;(k) EhLAMiNATiONS.—For the purpose of determining whether a
contractor or subcontractor has complied with cost accounting
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PUBLIC LAW 101-189—NOV. 29, 1989 
TITLE V—MILITARY PERSONNEL 
PABT A—RBSBBVB CSOMFQNKNTS MATTBBS 
Sec. 501. DelaTed entry program and delayed entry training program for Reserv- 
ists. 
Sec. 502. Annual muster duty and muster duty pay for Rea4y Reservists. 
Sec 503. Three-year extension of certain Resenire officer management programs. 
Sea 504. Two-year extension of authority for certain single parents to enlist in 
reserve components. 
Sec. 505. Two-year program &lt;tf special unit assignment pay for enlisted members of 
Selected Reserve. 
Sec. 506. Bfilitary education for civilian technicians of the Army National Guard. 
FAST B—OTHER IfATTBBS 
Sec. 511. Increase in service obligation for graduates of the service academies and 
the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. 
Sec. 512. Extension of authority to make temporary promotions of certain Navy 
lieutenants. 
Sec. 513. Testing of new entrants for drug and alcohol abuse. 
Sec. 514. Correction of military records concerning promotions and enlistments of 
enlisted members. 
Sec. 515. Title of admissions officer of United States Air Force Academy. 
Sec. 516. Eligibility for Prismer-of-War medaL 
Sec 517. GAO report on technical training for recruits and members of the reserve 
components. 
Sec 518. Provision of off-du^ postsecondary education services overseas. 
Sec 519. Matters to be considered by promotion boards in case of ofQcera in health 
professions competitive cat^ories. 
Sec 520. Report on constructive creditrornurses. 
Tni£ VI--&lt;X)MPENSATION AND OTHER PERSONNEL BENEFITS 
PABT A—PAT AND AixowANCES 
Sec 601. Military pay raise for fiscal year 1990. 
' 
Sec 602. Limitation on a4iustments in variable housing allowance. 
PABT B—BONUSIS AND SPSCIAL AND iNcasNTrvB PAT 
Sec 611. Increase in selective reenlistment bonus. 
Sec 612. Enlistment bonusformembers in skills designated as critical. 
Sec 613. Extension of enlistment and reenlistment bonus authorities for Reserve 
forces. 
Sec 614. Extension of spedal pay programs for nudear-qualified officers. 
PABT C—TRAVRL AND TRANSPORTATION AULOWANCES 
Sec 621. Reimbursement for certain fees incurred in travel. 
Sec 622. Lumpsum payment of overseas housing costs. 
Sec 623. Clarification of allowance for transportation of household effects. 
Sec 624. Travel entitlement for members assigned to a vessel under construction. 
Sec 625. Student travel authorized for dependents of members in Alaska and 
Hawaii 
PABT D—MiuTABT AviATOBS 
*&quot;' 
Sec 631. Aviation career incentive pay. 
Sec 632. Aviator retention bonuses. 
Sec 633. ReductiiHi in nonoperational flying duty positions. 
Sec 634. Minimum service requirement for aviators. 
Sec 635. Report on life insurance. 
Sec 636. Report on aviator assignment policies and practices. 
Sec 637. Sense of Congress regarding establishment of commission to conduct a 
study on the national shortage of aviators. 
PABT E—MONTGOMBBT GI BILL AMENDMENTS 
Sec 641. Increase in amount payable under Montgomery Gl Bill for critical special- 
ties. 
Sec 642. Payments for vocational-technical training under reserve-component GI 
hUL 
Sec 643. Limitation of active Guard and Reserve personnel to active-duty program. 
Sec 644. Report on impositicm of contribution requirement for participation in 
diapter 106 program. 
Sec 645. Technical amendments.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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PUBLIC LAW 101-189—NOV. 29, 1989 
TITLE V—MILITARY PERSONNEL 
PABT A—RBSBBVB CSOMFQNKNTS MATTBBS 
Sec. 501. DelaTed entry program and delayed entry training program for Reserv- 
ists. 
Sec. 502. Annual muster duty and muster duty pay for Rea4y Reservists. 
Sec 503. Three-year extension of certain Resenire officer management programs. 
Sea 504. Two-year extension of authority for certain single parents to enlist in 
reserve components. 
Sec. 505. Two-year program &lt;tf special unit assignment pay for enlisted members of 
Selected Reserve. 
Sec. 506. Bfilitary education for civilian technicians of the Army National Guard. 
PART B—OTHER IfATTBBS 
Sec. 511. Increase in service obligation for graduates of the service academies and 
the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. 
Sec. 512. Extension of authority to make temporary promotions of certain Navy 
lieutenants. 
Sec. 513. Testing of new entrants for drug and alcohol abuse. 
Sec. 514. Correction of military records concerning promotions and enlistments of 
enlisted members. 
Sec. 515. Title of admissions officer of United States Air Force Academy. 
Sec. 516. Eligibility for Prismer-of-War medaL 
Sec 517. GAO report on technical training for recruits and members of the reserve 
components. 
Sec 518. Provision of off-du^ postsecondary education services overseas. 
Sec 519. Matters to be considered by promotion boards in case of ofQcera in health 
professions competitive cat^ories. 
Sec 520. Report on constructive creditrornurses. 
Tni£ VI--&lt;X)MPENSATION AND OTHER PERSONNEL BENEFITS 
PART A—PAT AND AixowANCES 
Sec 601. Military pay raise for fiscal year 1990. 
' 
Sec 602. Limitation on a4iustments in variable housing allowance. 
PABT B—BONUSIS AND SPSCIAL AND iNcasNTrvB PAT 
Sec 611. Increase in selective reenlistment bonus. 
Sec 612. Enlistment bonus for members in skills designated as critical. 
Sec 613. Extension of enlistment and reenlistment bonus authorities for Reserve 
forces. 
Sec 614. Extension of special pay programs for nuclear-qualified officers. 
PABT C—TRAVEL AND TRANSPORTATION ALLOWANCES 
Sec 621. Reimbursement for certain fees incurred in travel. 
Sec 622. Lumpsum payment of overseas housing costs. 
Sec 623. Clarification of allowance for transportation of household effects. 
Sec 624. Travel entitlement for members assigned to a vessel under construction. 
Sec 625. Student travel authorized for dependents of members in Alaska and 
Hawaii 
PABT D—MiuTABT AviATORS 
*&quot;' 
Sec 631. Aviation career incentive pay. 
Sec 632. Aviator retention bonuses. 
Sec 633. ReductiiHi in nonoperational flying duty positions. 
Sec 634. Minimum service requirement for aviators. 
Sec 635. Report on life insurance. 
Sec 636. Report on aviator assignment policies and practices. 
Sec 637. Sense of Congress regarding establishment of commission to conduct a 
study on the national shortage of aviators. 
PABT E—MONTGOMBBT GI BILL AMENDMENTS 
Sec 641. Increase in amount payable under Montgomery Gl Bill for critical special- 
ties. 
Sec 642. Payments for vocational-technical training under reserve-component GI 
hUL 
Sec 643. Limitation of active Guard and Reserve personnel to active-duty program. 
Sec 644. Report on impositicm of contribution requirement for participation in 
diapter 106 program. 
Sec 645. Technical amendments.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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PUBLIC LAW 101-189—NOV. 29, 1989 
the supply of qualified engineers and scientists for the Depart- 
ment of Defense in the future. 
(b) SENSE OF CONGRESS. —In light of the findings in' subsection (a), 
it is the sense of Congress that the Secretary of Defense should take 
such actions as may be necessary and appropriate to promote and 
encourage, at precoll^e through post-doctoral levels, an increase in 
the number of citizens and nationals of the United States who 
pursue courses of study in science, engineering, and other technical 
disciplines. 
(c) REPORT.—The Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Commit- 
tees on Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives, 
by February 1, 1990, a report on current, expanded, and proposed 
new programs of the Department of Defense and, as appropriate, 
proposed interagency programs to preserve and perpetuate an effec- 
tive scientific and engineering workforce for the United States for 
the future. The Secretary, in coordination with the Director of the 
Office of Science and Technology Policy, shall include in the report 
an evaluation of the following concepts: 
(1) Summer internships at Department of Defense labora- 
tories for precoll^e teachers of sciences, engineering, or other 
technical disciplines. 
(2) An award program for exceptional precoUege teachers in 
sciences, engineering, or other technical disciplines. 
(3) A scholarship program for undeigraduates in scientific or 
technical education who plan to teach those disciplines at the 
precoll^e level. 
(4) Expanding the Barry Groldwater Scholarship and Excel- 
lence in Education Program or any other such program that the 
Secretary and the Director mutiially agree would promote in- 
creases in scientific and engineering careers. 
(d) NATIONAL DEFENSE SCONCE AND EINGINEERING GRADUATE 
FiaxowsHiPS.—(1) Part HI of subtitle A of title 10, United States 
Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new chapter: 
&quot; CHAPTER 111—NATIONAL DEFENSE SCIENCE AND 
ENGINEERING GRADUATE FELLOWSHIPS 
Regulations. 
Minorities. 
Women. 
Disabled 
persons. 
&quot;Sec 
&quot;2191. Graduate fellowships. 
*'§ 2191. Graduate fellowships 
&quot;(a) The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe regulations provid- 
ing for the award of fellowships to citizens and nationals of the 
United States who agree to pursue graduate degrees in science, 
engineering, or other fields of study designated by the Secretary to 
be of priority interest to the Department of Defense. 
&quot;(b) A fellowship awarded pursuant to regulations prescribed 
under subsection (a) shall be known as a 'National Defense Science 
and Engineering Graduate Fellowship'. 
&quot;(c) National Defense Science and Engineering Graduate Fellow- 
ships shall be awarded solely on the basis of academic ability. The 
Sea:«tary shall take all appropriate actions to encourage applica- 
tions for such fellowships of persons who are members of groups 
(including minority groups, women, and disabled persons) which 
historically have been underrepresented in science and technology 
fields. Recipients shall be selected on the basis of a nationwide 
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PUBLIC LAW 101-239—DEC. 19, 1989 
42 USC 1395W-1 
note. 
42 USC 1395m 
note. 
SEC 6138. PHTSPRC STUDY OF PAYMENTS FOR ASSISTANTS AT SURGERY. 
(a) STUDIO CJONTENTS. —The Physician Pajonent Review Comi&amp;ifh 
sion shall conduct a study of the payments made under title XVDI of 
the Social Security Act for assistants at sui^ery. Such study shall 
examine— 
(1) the necessity and appropriateness of using an assistant at 
suigeipr; 
(2) the use of physician and non-physician assistants at sur- 
(3) the appropriateness of providing for payments, and the 
appropriate level of payment, under title X\^ of the Social 
Security Act for assistants at surgeiy; and 
(4) the effect of the amendments made l^ section 9338 of the 
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986 on the employment 
of roistered nurses as assistants at sundry, and whether or not 
the reductions described in subsection (d) of such section have 
been implemented. 
(b) REPORT.— By not later than April 1, 1991, the Commission shall 
submit a report to Congress on the study conducted under subsec- 
tion (a), and shall include in the report such recommendations as it 
deems appropriate. 
SECL 6139. GAO STUDY OF STANDARDS FOR USE OF AND PAYMENT FOR 
ITEMS OF DURABLE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT. 
(a) STUDY.—The Comptroller General shall conduct a study of the 
appropriate uses of items of durable medical equipment and of the 
appropriate criteria for making determinations of medical necessity 
under title XVIII of the Social Security Act for such items, with 
particular emphasis on items (includii^ seat-lift chairs) that may be 
subject to abusive billing practices. Such study shall include an 
analysis of— 
(1) the appropriate use of forms in making medical necessity 
determinations for items of durable medic^ equipment under 
such title; and 
(2) procedures for identifying items of durable medical equip- 
ment that should no longer be covered under such title. 
(b) UsB OF PANEL IN CONDUCTING STUDY.— The Comptroller Cren- 
eral shall conduct such study with a panel convened by the 
Comptroller General consisting of— 
(1) sp«nalists in the disciplines of orthopedic medicine, re- 
habilitation, arthritis, and geriatric medicine; 
(2) representatives of consumer organizations; and 
(3) representative of carriers under the medicare program. 
(c) REPORT. —Not later than April 1, 1991, the Comptroller General 
shall submit a report to the Committees on Ways and Means and 
Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the 
Committee on Finance of the Senate on the study conducted under 
subsection (a), and shall include in such report such recommenda- 
tions as the Comptroller General deems appropriate. 
SEC 6140. NARROWING OF RANGE OF AMOUNTS RECOGNIZED FOR ITEMS 
OF DURABLE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT. 
Paragraphs (8) and (9) of section 1834(a) of the Social Security Act 
(42 U.S.C. 1395m(a)) are each amended in subparagraph (D)— 
(1) in clause (i), by striking &quot;1991&quot; and all that follows 
through &quot;80 percent&quot; and inserting &quot;1991, may not exceed 125 
percent, and may not be lower than 85 percent'; and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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103 STAT. 2317 
meaning of section 103 of the Stewart B. McKinney 
Homeless Assistance Act (42 UJS.C. 11302), as in 
efiTect on the date of the enactment of this clause) 
to independent living within 24 months, and 
''dD in which a governmental entity or qualified 
nonprofit organization (as defined in subsection 
(h)(5)) provides such individuals with temporary 
housing and supportive services designed to assist 
such individuals in locating and retaining perma- 
nent housing. 
*'(iv) SiNGLB-HOOM OCCUPANCY UNITS. — For purposes 
of dause (i), a single-room occupancy unit shall not be 
treated as uised on a transient basis merely because it is 
rented on a month-by-month basis.&quot; 
(2) QUALIFIED BASIS TO INCLUDE PORTION OF BUILDING USED TO 
PBOViDE supFOBnvE SERVICES.—Paragraph (1) of section 42(c) is 
amended by adding at the end thereof the following new 
subparagraph: 
''CB) QUALIFIED BASIS TO INCLUDE PORTION OF BUILDING 
USED TO PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR HOMELESS.— In 
the case of a qualified low-income buildii^ described in 
subsection (i)(3)Xiii)» the qualified basis of such building 
for any taxable year shall be increased by the lesser of— 
''(i) so much of the eligible basis of such building as is 
used throughout the year to provide supportive services 
designed to assist tenants in locating and retaining 
permanent housing, or 
&quot;(ii) 20 percent of the qualified basis of such building 
(determined without r^iurd to this subparagraph).&quot; 
(j) VOLUME CAP NOT TO APPLY WHERE 50 PERCENT OR MORE OF 
BUILDING Is FINANCED Wrni TAX-EXEMPT BONDS.— Subparagraph 
(B) of section 42(h)(4) is amended by striking &quot;70 percent&quot; each place 
it appears and inserting &quot;50 percent&quot;. 
(k) BUILDING NOT TUBATED AS FEDERALLY SUBSTOIZED BY REASON 
OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.— Subparagraph (D) of 
section 42(i)(2) (defining below market Federal loan) is amended by 
adding at the end thereof the following new sentence: &quot;Such term 
shall not include any loan which would be a below market Federal 
loan solely by reason of assistance provided under section 106, 107, 
or 108 of the Housing and Conmiunity Development Act of 1974 (as 
in efiTect on the date of the enactment of this sentence).&quot; 
(1) ELIGIBLE BASIS FOR NEW BUILDINGS TO INCLUDE EXPENDITURES 
BEFORE C!LO6E OF 1ST YEAR OF CREDIT PERIOD. — 
(1) NEW BUILDINGS.— Paragraph (1) of section 42(d) (relating to 
eligible basis for new buildings) is amended by inserting berore 
the period &quot;as of the close of the 1st taxable year of the credit 
period&quot;. 
(2) EXISTING BUILDINGS. — Subparagraph (A) of section 42(d)(2) 
(relating to eligible basis for existing buildings) is amended by 
striking &quot;subparagraph (B)&quot; and all that follows through the 
end of clause (i) and inserting &quot;subparagraph (B), its adjusted 
basis as of the close of the 1st taxable year of the credit period, 
and&quot;. 
(3) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.— 
(A) Subparagraph (CD of section 42(d)(2) is amended by 
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success rates of those groups of candidates; 
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received field training by international police trainers 
and the duration of such instruction; 
(v) attrition rates and measures of absenteeism 
and infiltration by insurgents; and 
(vi) the level and effectiveness of the Iraqi Police 
and other Ministry of Interior Forces in provinces 
where the United States has formally transferred 
responsibility for the security of the province to the 
Iraqi Security Forces under the Provincial Iraqi Control 
(PIC) process. 
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‘Iraq Security 
F 
orces Fund 
’ 
’ and ‘‘Afghanistan Security Forces Fund’’ on a 
pro 
j 
ect-by-project basis, for which the obligation of funds is 
anticipated during the 
3 
-month period from such date, including 
estimates by the commanders referred to in this paragraph 
of the costs required to complete each such project. 
(2) The report required by this subsection shall include 
the following 
: 
(A) The use of all funds on a project-by-project basis 
for which funds appropriated under the headings referred 
to in paragraph (1) were obligated prior to the submission 
of the report, including estimates by the commanders 
referred to in paragraph (1) of the costs to complete each 
project. 
(B) The use of all funds on a project-by-project basis 
for which funds were appropriated under the headings 
referred to in paragraph (1) in prior appropriations Acts, 
or for which funds were made available by transfer, re- 
programming, or allocation from other headings in prior 
appropriations Acts, including estimates by the com- 
manders referred to in paragraph (1) of the costs to com- 
plete each project. 
(C) An estimated total cost to train and equip the 
Iraq and Afghan security forces, disaggregated by major 
program and sub-elements by force, arrayed by fiscal year. 
(c) NOT 
IF 
I 
CA 
TIO 
N 
.—The Secretary of Defense shall notify the 
congressional defense committees of any proposed new projects or 
transfers of funds between sub-activity groups in e 
x 
cess of 
$ 
1 
5 
,000,000 using funds appropriated by this Act under the 
headings ‘‘Iraq Security Forces Fund’’ and ‘‘Afghanistan Security 
Forces Fund’’. 
SEC. 920 
6 
. 
Funds available to the Department of Defense for 
operation and maintenance provided in this chapter may be used, 
notwithstanding any other provision of law, to provide supplies, 
services, transportation, including airlift and sealift, and other 
logistical support to coalition forces supporting military and stability 
operations in Iraq and Afghanistan: 
Provide 
d 
, 
That the Secretary 
of Defense shall provide quarterly reports to the congressional 
defense committees regarding support provided under this section. 
SEC. 920 
7 
. Supervision and administration costs associated with 
a construction project funded with appropriations available for oper- 
ation and maintenance, ‘‘Afghanistan Security Forces Fund’’ or 
‘‘Iraq Security Forces Fund’’ provided in this chapter, and executed 
in direct support of the 
G 
lobal 
W 
ar on Terrorism only in Iraq 
and Afghanistan, may be obligated at the time a construction con- 
tract is awarded: Provided, That for the purpose of this section, 
Reports.D 
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the bidders I,&gt;resent, including said Lagrange Grocery Company,
that if said Dldders would purchase at 10 cents per pair and divide
among themselves one million pairs of wool stock:i.nas, which included.
the ones which had been sold the day before as aloresaid, that the
contracts of sale of said stockings on the day before would be can-
celed, and said Lagrange Grocery Company accordingly took for
its part of said million pairs of ~ one hundred and ten thou-
sana pairs at 10 cents per pair and paid for same and fixed its sale
price on said stockings based on 10 cents per pair, the said action
and agreement is hereby ratified on behalf of the United States.
Approved, May 23, 1928.
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CHAP. 738. - An Act For the relief of James K. P . Welch.
[H. R .Wl.)
[Private, No. I 'M.]
Be it 61U1Cted by tM Senate mui HO'USe of RepresentlttWes of tM
pnit~ States of A~rica in Oongres8 assembled, ~at in the a~min- kT~' !oo~~.
istratIOn of the' pensIOn laws and the laws governmg the NatIOnal rected.
Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, or any branch thereof,
James K. P . Welch shall hereafter be held and considered to have
been honorably discharged from the military service of the United
States as of the date AuJt1).St 81, 1864, as a private of Company I,
Fifty-ninth Regiment Indiana Volunteer Infantryi Civil War: Pro- ~~ack pay. etc.
mded, That no back pay, bounty, pension, or a lowance shall be
held to have accrued prior to the passage of this Act.
Approved, May 24, 1928.
May 24. 1928.
CHAP. 739. - An Act For the relief of E. H . Jennings, F. L . Johanns..! and --.;,...,[H=':.,::R~'ii'IMI=20&quot;,,=.I::.­
Henry Blank, officers and employees of the post office at Charleston, !::SOuth [Private. No. 177.1
Carolina.
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F. L. Johanns, and Henry Blank of the payment of the sum Of money-ordUfUDds.
$2,011.03 each, to cover shortage of funds embezzled by H. H . Carter,
a money-order clerk, while on duty in the Charleston Post Office,
occurring on March 26, 1927.
Approved, May 24, 1928.
G
.
-.~
CHAP. 740. - An Act ranting pensions and increase of pensions to certain
[H. R . 13611.]
Boldiers and sailors of the Civil War and certain widows and dependent children --';[Pri~va:7te:'-.~No':&quot;.~178;;;&quot;'.1'-­
of soldiers and sailors of said war.
Be it enacted by the Senate and H0'U8e of Repre8entatives of tM
United States of America,Jln, Oongress as8embled, That the Secretary
of the Interior be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to place
on the pension roll, subject to the provisions and limitations of the
pension laws-
The name of Hattie White, helpless and dependent daughter of
William White, late of Company B, Seventeenth Regiment Kansas
Volunteer Infantry, and pay her a pension at the rate of $20
per month.
The name of Homer W. Lane helple&amp;&lt;! and dependent son of
James M. Lane, late of \;ompany :8, Sixty-fourth Regiment Illinois
Volunteer Infantry, and pay him a pension at the rate of $20
per month.
PenalOII8.
PensIon8.
Hattie White.
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INDEX.
Bridges-Contin ued.
construction of, authorized across Sa-
bine River, in Louisiana. a .nd
Texas ______________________ _
at Pendleton's Ferry, La________ _
at Merryville, La ______________ _
at Starks, La__________________ _
Saint Clair River, at Port Huron,
PII&amp;e.
1083
611
387
767
Mich_ _ _ __________________ 454, 1483
Saint Croix River, near Grantsburg,
Wis_ __ ___ ___________ _____ ___
702
at Stillwater, Minn__ ____________ 1172
Saint John River, from Fort Kent,
Me., to Clair, New Brunswick__ 1321
Saint Lawrence River, at Alexandria
Bay,N.Y ____ __ __ ___ ____ __ __ 1552
Morristown N. Y ., and Brockville,
Ontario, Canada_____________ _
Sandusky Bay, at Sandusky, Ohio __
Santa Rosa Sound, Fla ___________ _
Savannah River, at Burton's Ferry,
Ga _________________________ _
Snake River, near Indian Cove, Idaho_
near Swan Valley, Idaho________ _
South Fork of Cumberland River, at
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Susquehanna River, at Liverpool, Pa_
at Sunbury, Pa ________________ _
1482
1162
752
751
111
111
612
1093
1093
1319
244
Tampa Bay, Fla.,
from Pinellas
Point to Piney Point__________ 405
Tennessee River, at Chattanooga,
Tenn__ .. _____________________
1499
at mouth of Clarks River ______ 143,607
at Clifton, Tenn________________
755
at Eggners Ferry, Ky __________ 144,608
at Guntersville, Ala_ _______ __ _ 286, 763
in Henry and Stewart Counties,
Tenn________________________
418
in Knox County, Tenn__________
418
at Knoxville, Tenn______________ I 1172
in Marion County, Tenn_________
417
in Roane County, Tenn__________
310
at Scottsboro, Ala _____________ 287,754
at Whitesburg Ferry, Ala _______ 287,753
Tensas River, in Louisiana_________
765
Tombigbee River, at Aberdeen, Miss_
59
at Aliceville, Ala________________
310
near Butler, Ala________________
754
at Coffeeville, Ala_______________ 1530
at Epes, Ala____________________
308
at Gainesville, Ala_ _ ____________
308
at Jackso~ Ala_________________
754
Tug Fork of !jig Sandy River, W. Va_
157
Wabash River, at McGregors Ferry,
lll__________________________ 480
at Vincennes, Ind_ __ ___ ____ _____ 740
Waccamaw River, at Reeves Ferry,
N. C _______________________ _
Warrior River, at Demopolis, Ala __ ~
at Eutaw, Ala _________________ _
White River, at Augusta, Ark _____ _
at Clarendon, Ark _____________ _
at Cotter, Ark _________________ _
at Newport, Ark_______________ _
Youghiogheny River, between Ver-
516
754
754
757
972
470
984
sailles and Boston, Pa_________ 1169
construction legalized of, across Caney
Fork River, in De Kalb County,
Tenn _______________________ _
Columbia Rive~at Hood River... Oreg_
Fox River, by J&lt;.;ast Dundee, IlL __ _
Hillsborough Bay, at Tampa, Fla __ _
112
285
1478
55
Bridgu-Continued.
Page.
construction legalized of, acroas Ohio
River, at Steubenville, Ohio_J_ 1074
Potomac River, at Paw Paw, W. Va. 1077
Saint Francis River, at Marked Tree,
Poinsett County, Ark ________ _
Snake Riverl..at Heyburn, Idaho ___ _
at Idaho .I:'alls, Idaho___________ _
disposal of, across Perdido Bay, Fla.
and Ala., if acquired by Escam-
bia County,Fla. ,Baldwin County,
Ala., or Florida or Alabama, may
442
286
117
be transferred, etc __ ___________ 1510
reconstruction authorized of, across Dan
River, in Pittsylvania County,
Va_________________________ 1159
Grand Calumet River, East Chicago
and Gary, Ind________________ 1475
at Gary, Ind___________________ 1475
Little Calumet River, Halsted Street,
Cook County, IlL _ _ __________ 763
Mahoning River, at Youngstown,
Ohio _______________________ _
62
Saint Louis River, between Rices
Point, Minn.,
and Connors
Point, Wis_ ___ _______ ________
286
Tombigbee River, at Epes, Ala_ ____
115
sum authorized for half the cost of,
across San Jacinto River, near
Soboda Indian Reservation, Calif 1229
time extended for constructing, across
Allegheny River, at Eldred, Pa_
at Kittanning, Pa______________ _
&quot;'39
1254
1321
57
at Oil City, Pa ________________ _
Black River, at Jonesville, La _____ _
Calumet River, at One hundred and
thirtieth Street, Chicago, Ill_ ___ 1546
Chattahoochee River, at Alaga, Ala_
309
Chesapeake Bay, in Baltimore and
Kent Counties, Md __________ _
Columbia River, at Entiat, Wash __ _
at Kettle Fails, Wash ___________ _
Cumberland River, at Amt, Ky ___ _
at Burkesville, Ky _____________ _
at Burnside, Ky _______________ _
at Canton, Ky _________________ _
at Center Point, Ky____________ _
at Creelsboro, Ky ______________ _
at Eggners Ferry, Ky __________ _
at mouth of Indian Creek, Ky___ _
at Iuka, Ky___________________ _
at Neelys Ferry~ Ky____________ _
at Smithland, Ky ______________ _
Delaware Rive!&quot;t at Burlington, N. J _
at Trento~.N. J_.
_____________ _
414
1546
51
1527
1523
1488
1501
1500
1528
1524
1525
1523
1528
1501
243
440
1535
Des Moines .ttiver, at Croton, lowa_
Grand Calumet River, at Burnham
Avenue, Cook County, Ill______ 1168
Kanawha River, Henderson to Point
Pleasan!:, W. Va_________
314,1525
at Indian tJreek, Ky____________ 1525
at Saint Albans, W. Va__________ 1527
Lake Chatnplain, at East Alburg, Vt_ 1533
at Rouses Point, N. Y ___ _____ ___ 1532
Lake Sabine, at Port Arthur, Tex___ 1524
Mahoning River, at Niles, Ohio __ 761, 1535
at Warren, Ohio________________ 1535
Mississippi River, at Arkansas City,
Ark_________________________ 1511
at Baton Rouge, La____________ 1093
at Bettendorf, Iowa____________ 1512
at Cairo, IlL ______ _____________ 1557
at Carondelet, 1\10______________ 1308
at Chester, IlL_________________ 1529
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SEVENTY-FIRST
CONGRESS .
SESS. I.
Cns. 37, 38.
1929 .
June 21, 1929 .
	
CHAP .
37 .-Joint Resolution To authorize the President to accept the invita-
[H.J. Res.2.]	
tion of the Kingdom
of
Iceland to participate in the celebration
of the
one
[Pub. Res., N0.18.]
thousandth anniversary of the Aithing and in connection therewith to present
to the people of Iceland a statue of Leif Ericsson.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
Iceland .
I nvi tat ion
of
the
States of America in Congress assembled, That the President be, and
Kingdom of, to
.
partici-
he is hereby, authorized and requested to accept the invitation of the
pate
r
	
Presi
anniversary
of
the
	
dents of the Legislative Assembly of the Kingdom of Iceland
Althing,tobeaccepted .
(the Aithing) to the Government of the United States of America
Post, p. 57.
	
to appoint official representatives of the American people to the cele-
brati on of the one th ousan dth a nnive rsary of th e Ait hing, the
special represents-
National Parliament of Iceland, by appointing and sending five spe-
tives to be appointed
.
cial representatives to take part in this celebration on behalf of the
Government of the United States of America ; and the President be,
and he is hereby, further authorized and requested to procure a suit-
able statue or other memorial of Leif Ericsson and present the same
as a gift of the American people to the people of Iceland in con-
nection with the American participation in such celebration .
SEC . 2. That for the purpose of defraying the expense of partici-
pation by the Government of the United States in the said celebra-
tion as aforesaid an appropriation of such sum as may be necessary,
not exceeding $55,000, is hereby authorized to include transportation,
subsisten ce, or per diem in li eu of subs istence (n otwithstan ding the
provis ions of any pr evious Act), s culptor s' fees , and s uch oth er
expenses as the President shall deem appropriate .
Approved, June 21, 1929.
Statue of Leif Erics-
son to be presented as a
gift from the American
peopl e.
Sum
authorized
for
expenses of participat-
ing, etc.
June 22, 1929.
	
[H.J. Res. 109.]
[Pub. Res., No. 19.1
Interna tional Petro-
leum
Exposition,
Tulsa, Okla.
States
and
foreign
c ountri es in vited
to
participate in.
Vol.45,p
. 788.
Post, p. 277.
Articles for exhibition
at, a dmitted free of
duty, etc.
Sa les pe rmitt ed, su b-
j ect to reven ue re gula-
tions.
Proviso .
Payment
of duty .
Allowanc e for deter i-
oration, etc.
Penalty for illegal
sales, etc .
CHAP. 38 .-Joint Resolution
Authorizing the President to invite the States
of the Union and foreign countries to participate in the International Petroleum
Exp osition at Tulsa, Oklahoma, to begin October 5, 1 929 .
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
S tates o f America in Congress assembled,
That the President of the
United States is authorized to invite by proclamation, or in such
other manner as he may deem proper, the States of the Union and
all foreign countries to participate in the proposed International
Petroleum Exposition, to be held at Tulsa, Oklahoma, beginning
O c to b er 5, 1929, for the purpo se of exhi biting sam ples of fab ricated
a nd raw pro ducts of a ll countri es used in the petro leum indus try and
bringing together buyers and sellers for promotion of trade and
commerce in such products .
SEc . 2 . All articles that shall be imported from foreign countries
for the sole purpose of exhibition at the International Petroleum
Exposition upon which there shall be a tariff or customs duty shall
be admitted free of the payment of duty, customs fees, or charges,
under such regulations as the Secretary of the Treasury shall pre-
scribe ; but it shall be lawful at any time during the exhibition to
sell any goods or property imported for and actually on exhibition,
subject to such regulations for the security of the revenue and for
t he collect ion of imp ort duties as the Se cretary of the Treas ury may
prescribe : Provided, That all such articles when sold or withdrawn
for consumption or use in the United States shall be subject to the
duty, if any, imposed upon such articles by the revenue laws in
force at the date of withdrawal ;
and on such articles which shall
have suffered diminution or deterioration from incidental handling
a nd necessa ry exposur e, the dut y, if paid , shall be assessed accord-
i ng to the appraised value at t he time of withdrawa l for cons umption
or use, and the penalties prescribed by law shall be enforced against
any person guilty of any illegal sale, use, or withdrawal .
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CH. 184.
1930 .
	
207
Pay, commissioned officers :
F or pay and allowances pres cribed by
,Pay,
etc
.,
commi
law for commissioned officers on sea duty and other duty, holding
relative rank with officers of the Navy, including one director, with
relative rank of captain, six hydrographic and geodetic engineers
with relative rank of captain, ten hydrographic and geodetic engi-
neers with relative rank of commander, seventeen hydrographic and
geodetic engineers with relative rank of lieutenant commander,
forty-seven hydrographic and geodetic engineers with relative rank
of lieutenant, fifty-four junior hydrograph ic and geodetic engineers
with relative rank of lieutenant (junior grade), twenty-nine aides
with relative rank of ensign, and including officers retired in accord-
ance with existing law, $627,820 : Provided, That the Secretary of
Ass
ov is
antdirector .
Commerce may designate one of the hydrographic and geodetic
engineers to act as assistant director .
Office force : For personal services, $510,000 .
	
Office personnel .
Office expenses : For purchase of new instruments (except survey-
Off ice expe nses .
ing instruments), including their exchange, materials, equipment,
and supplies required in the instrument shop, carpenter shop, and
d ra w in g d iv is i on ; books, scientific and tech nical books, journals,
books of reference, maps, charts, and subscriptions ; copper plates,
chart pape r, printer's ink, copper, zin c, and chemicals for electro-
typing and photographing ; engraving, printing, photographing,
rubber gloves, and electrotyping supplies ; photolithographing charts
and printing from stone and copper for immediate use ; stationery
for office and field parties ; transportation of instruments and sup-
plies when not cha rged to party expenses ; office wagon and horse s
or automobile truck ; heating, lighting, and power ; telephones, includ-
ing operation of switchboard ; telegrams, ice, and washing ; office
furniture, repairs, traveling expenses of officers and others employed
in the office sent on special duty in the service of the office ; miscel-
laneous expenses, contingencies of all kinds, not exceeding $90 for
street-car fares, $67,180 .
Appropriations herein made for the Coast and Geodetic Survey
Subsistence expenses
shall not be available for allowance to civilian or other officers for
restricted.
subsistence while on duty at Washington (except as hereinbefore
provided for officers of the field force ordered to Washington for
short periods for consultation with the director), except as now pro-
vided by law.
BUREAU
OF
FISHERIES
	
Fisheries Bureau .
Commissioner's office : For the commissioner and other personal
commissioner, and
services in the District of Columbia, $184,720 .
	
offce personnel .
For pay of employees in the field, as follows : Alaska service,
ployesy
of field em-
$54,520 ; employees at large, $54,500 ; distribution (car) employees,
$36,500 ; employees at fish-cultural stations, $311,700 ; employees at
fish-rescue station, Mississippi River Valley, $21,000 ; employees at
biological stations, $49,000 ; for pay of officers and employees for the
Ves sel employe es .
vessels of the Atlantic coast, $48,500 ; for officers and crew of ves-
sels for Alaska Fisheries Service, $97,120 ; in all, $672,840 .
Administration : For expenses of the office of the commissioner,
Administration .
including stationery, scientific and reference books, periodicals and
newspapers for library, furniture and equipment, telegraph and
teleph one service, street-car fares not exceeding $150, compensa tion
of temporary employees, and all other necessary expenses connected
therewith, $4,400 .
Propagation of food fishes : For maintenance, repair, aalteration,
Propagation
ex-
i mproveme nt, equip ment, an d operat ion of f is-cltual station s,
p enses .
genera l propagation of food fishes and their distribution, inclu ding
movement, maintenance, and repairs of cars, purchase of equipment
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C ONGRESS.
SESS. II.
CH. 289.
1930 .
For rent, light, and fuel fo r first, second, and third c lass post
offices, $18,710,000 : Provided, however,
That no part of this appro-
priation shall be available for the payment of any rents or other
expenses to the Commercial Station Post Office, Incorporated, its
agents, at torneys, representatives, or assigns, for use of premises
known as Commercial Station, at Third and Sibley Streets, Saint
Paul, Minnesota .
For the transmission of mail by pneumatic tubes or other similar
devices in the city of New York, including the Borough of Brooklyn
of the city of New York, including power, labor, and all other
operating expenses, $530,000 .
For the rental of not exceed ing two miles of pneumatic t ubes, not
including labor and power in operating the same, for the transmission
of mail in the city of Boston, Massachusetts, $24,000 : Provided, That
the provisions not inconsistent herewith of the Acts of April 21, 1902
(U. S. C., title 39, sec. 423), and May 27, 1908 (U. S. C., title 39, sec.
423), relating to the transmission of mail by pneumatic tubes or other
similar devices shall he applicable hereto .
For vehicle allowance, the hiring of drivers, the rental of vehicles,
and the purchase and exchange and maintenance, including stable and
garage facilities, of wagons or automobiles for, and the operation of,
screen-wagon and city delivery and collection service, $19,600,000 :
Provided, That the Postmaster General may, in his disbursement of
this appropriation, apply a part thereof to the leasing of quarters for
the housing of Government-owned automobiles at a reasonable annual
rental for a term not exceeding ten years : Provided further,
That
this appropriation is available for the maintenance of the Govern-
ment-owned post-office garage at Washington, District of Columbia,
including such changes and additions to the mechanical equipment as,
in the opinion of the Postmaster General, may be necessary : Provided
further, That the Postmaster General, during the fiscal year 1931,
may purchase and
maintain from the appropriation
&quot; Vehicle
service &quot; such tractors and trailer trucks as may be required in the
operation of the screen-wagon and city delivery and collection
service : Provided further,
That in the disbursement of this appro-
pri ation the Postmas ter Gene ral may transfer to the B ureau of
Standards not to exceed $10,000 for scientific investigations in connec-
tion with the purchase of material, equipment, and supplies necessary
in the maintenance and operation of the vehicle service .
For travel and miscellaneous expenses in the Postal Service, office
of the Fou rth Assistant Postmaster Gene ral, $1,000 .
If the revenues of the Post Office Department shall be insufficient
to meet the appropriations made under Title II of this Act, a sum
equal to such deficiency in the revenues of such department is hereby
appropriat ed, to be paid out of any mon ey in the Treasury not other-
wise appropriated, to supply such deficiency in the revenues of the
Post Offic e Department for the fiscal y ear ending June 30, 1931, and
the sum needed may be advanced to the Post Office Department upon
requisitio n of the Postmaster General .
SEC .
2. Appropriations for the fiscal year 1931 available for
expenses of travel of civilian officers and employees of the executive
departments and establishments shall be available also for expenses
of travel performed by them on transfer from one official station to
another when authorized by the head of the department or establish-
ment concerned in the order directing such transfer : Provided,
That
such expen ses shall not be allowed for any transfer effected for the
convenience. of any officer or employee .
SEC .
3 . Expenditures from appropriations made herein for the
maintenance, upkeep, and repair, exclusive of garage rent, pay of
operator, fuel and lubricants, on any one passenger-carrying vehicle
Pneumatic
tubes,
New
York
City.
Boston,
Mass .
Proviso .
Provisions applicable.
Vol. 32, p. 114
; Vol.
35, p. 412.
U.
S.C.,p
. 1260.
365
Ren t, ligh t, etc ., for
first, second, and third
class offices .
Post, p
. 1578
.
Proviso .
Restriction on pay-
ment
for
Commercial
Station,
Saint
Paul,
Minn.
Veh icle allowance for
delivery, collection, etc
.
Provisos.
Ren tal of garages
.
Garage
at
Washing-
ton, D. C
.
Tractors and trailer
trucks
.
Sums transferred to
Bureau
of
Standards
for
investigations of
material.
Travel, etc.
Appropriations
from
the Treasury for field
service to supply defi-
ciencies .
Travel
expenses
of
ci vilians ,
au thorize d
when transferred from
official stations .
Proviso .
Restriction .
Limit on motor ve-
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SEVENTY-FIRST
CONGRESS . SEss . II .
Cn:. 348.
1930 .
ordered to active duty, contract surgeons when stationed at and
occupying public quarters at military posts, officers of the National
Recreation buildings.
Guard attending service and garrison schools, and for recruits,
Vol. 32,
p
° 252.
L.
S. C.,p. 219.
guards, hospitals, storehouses, offices, the buildings erected at private
co st, in the operation of the Act approved May 31, 1902 (U . S . C .,
title 10, sec . 1346), and buildings for a similar purpose on military
sales to officers .
reservations authorized by War Department regulations ;
for sale
to officers, and including also fuel and engine supplies required in
th e operation of modern batteries at established posts
; for post
Ba keries , ice , et•
°
bakery and bake-oven equipment and apparatus ; for ice for issue
to organizations of enlisted men and offices at such places as the
Secretary of War may determine, and for preservation of stores ;
Supplies for schools .
authorized issues of soap, toilet paper, and towels ; for the necessary
furniture, textbooks, paper, and equipment for the post schools and
libraries, and for schools for noncommissioned officers ; for the pur-
chase and issue of instruments, office furniture, stationery, and
other authorized articles for the use of officers' schools at the several
military posts ; for purchase of commercial newspapers, market
reports, and so forth ; for the tableware and mess furniture for
kitchens and mess halls, each and all for the enlisted men, including
Forage, etc ., for ani-
recruits ; for forage, salt, and vinegar for the horses, mules, oxen,
mls
and other draft and riding animals of the Quartermaster Corps at
the several posts and stations and with the armies in the field, for
the horses of the several regiments of Cavalry and batteries of
A rtillery and such c ompanies of Infantr y and Scou ts as may be
mounted, and for remounts and for the authorized number of officers'
horses, including bedding for the animals ; for seeds and implements
required for the raising of forage at remount depots and on military
reservations in the Hawaiian, Philippine, and Panama Canal
Departments, and for labor and expenses incident thereto, including,
when specifically authorized by the Secretary of War, the cost
of irrigation ; for the purchase of implements and hire of labor for
et
.tationery, printing,
harvesting hay on military reservations ;
for straw for soldiers'
bedding, stationery, typewriters and exchange of same, including
blank books and blank forms for the Army, certificates for dis-
charged soldiers, and for printing department orders and reports,
$11,393,570,
of which amount not exceeding $4,000,000 shall be
available immediately for the procurement and transportation of
fuel for the service of the fiscal year
1931 .
Pur chase , manu sac-
Clothing and equipage : For cloth, woolens, materials, and for the
ture, etc °
purchase and manufacture of clothing for the Army, including
retired enlisted men when ordered to active duty, for issue and for
s al e ; for payment of commutation of c lothing due to warrant offi-
Laundries .
cers of the Mine Planter Service and to enlisted men
; for altering
and fitting clothing and washing and cleaning when necessary
; for
operation of laundries, including purchase and repair of laundry
machinery ; for the authorized issues of laundry materials for use
of general prisoners confined at military posts without pay or allow-
ances, and for applicants for enlistment while held under observa-
tion ; for equipment and repair of equipment of dry-cleaning plants,
Equipage, toilet kits,
salvage and sorting storehouses, hat repairing shops, shoe repair
etc.
shops, clothing repair shops, and garbage reduction works
; for
equ1paFe, including authorized issues of toilet articles, barbers' and
tailors materials, for use of general prisoners confined at military
p osts w ithou t pay or al lowan ces an d app lican ts for enli stment whil e
held under observation ; issue of toilet kits to recruits upon their
is sue
Of
citizen's
first enlistment, and issue of housewives to the Army
; for expenses
outer clothing .
	
of packing and handling and similar necessaries
; for a suit of citi-
zen's outer clothing and when necessary an overcoat, the cost of&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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CONGRESS .
SESS. II .
Ca. 399.
1930 .
which ma y be ta ken in t he Unit ed State s or el sewhere, accumu lative
for thre e years , under such ru les and regulat ions as the Sec retary
of Agriculture shall prescribe .
SEC . 3 . (a) Subject to the requirements of the civil service laws,
and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, the Secre-
tary of Agriculture is authorized to appoint, fix the compensation
of, prom ote, de mote, an d separ ate from the se rvice su ch cler ks and
other assistants for officers of the Foreign Agricultural Service as he
may deem necessary .
( b) When authori zed by the Secr etary o f Agricu lture, officers of
the Foreign Agricultural Service may employ American citizens in
a foreign country from time to time, fix the compensation of, and
s eparate from th e servi ce such clerica l and ot her ass istants as may
be necessary .
SEC .
4. (a) Any officer, assistant, clerk, or employee of the De-
partment of Agriculture, while on duty outside of the continental
limits of the United States and away from the post to which he is
assigned, shall be entitled to receive his necessary traveling expenses
and his actual exp enses for subsiste nce, or a per diem in lieu of sub-
sistence, equal to that paid to other officers of the Government when
engaged in analogous foreign service .
(b) The Secretary of Agriculture may authorize any officer of
the Foreign Agricultural Service to fix, in an amount not exceeding
the allowance fixed for such officer, an allowance for actual subsis-
t ence, or a per diem allowance in lieu thereof , for a ny cleri cal or
other assistant employed by such officer under subdivision (b) of sec-
ti on 3 when such cle rical or other as sistant is engaged in travel out-
s ide the contine ntal li mits of the Uni ted Stat es and away fro m the
post to which he is assigned .
(c) Any officer, assistant, clerk, or employee of the Foreign Agri-
cultural Service, while on duty within the continental limits of the
Un ited States, shall be entitled to r eceive the traveli ng expenses and
actual e xpenses incurre d for s ubsisten ce, or per diem allowa nce in
lieu the reof, a uthorize d by la w .
SEC .
5 . The Secretary of Agriculture may make such rules and
regulations as may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this
Act and may cooperate with any department or agency of the Gov-
ernment, State, Territory, District, or possession, or department,
agency, or political subdivision thereof, cooperative and other farm
organizations, or any person, and shall have power to make such
expenditures for rent outside the District of Columbia, for printing,
telegrams, telephones, law books, books of reference, maps, publi-
cations, furniture, stationery, office equipment, travel and subsistence
allowances, and other supplies and expenses as shall be necessary to
t he admin istrati on of t he Act i n the D istrict of Colu mbia and else-
where . With the approval of the Secretary of Agriculture an officer
of the Foreign Agricultural Service may enter into leases for office
quarters, and may pay rent, telephone, subscriptions to publications,
and other charges incident to the conduct of his office and the dis-
charge of his duties, in advance in any foreign country where cus-
tom or practice requires payment in advance .
Approved, June 5, 1930 .
499
Clerical, etc., assist-
ants i n servic e, author
ized
.
Employment, etc ., of
American
citizens
abroad, by officers of
service .
Transportation, etc.,
of officer, etc ., of de-
partment, on detail.
Subsistence, etc ., al-
lowance, for clerical,
etc ., assistant, may be
fixed
by
employing
officer.
Travel,
etc
., ex-
penses , while on detail
in United States.
Ru les
and
regul a-
tions by Secretary.
Cooperation with de-
partments, etc .
Contingent expenses.
Office
expenses
abroad
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CONGRESS .
SEss. II.
Cu. 463.
1930 .
dr afting, inspection, watchmen, and messenger service in nav y yards,
naval stations, naval ordnance plants, and naval ammunition depots
for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1931, shall not exceed $997,400 .
For purchase and manufacture of smokeless powder, $1,000,000 .
Torpedoes and appliances, Bureau of Ordnance : For the purchase
and manufacture of torpedoes and appliances, to be available until
expended, $450,000 .
BUREAU
OF
SUPPLIES
AND
ACCOUNTS
565
Smokeless powder .
Torpedoes, etc.
B urea u of Supp lies
a nd Accounts .
PA Y,
SUBSISTENCE,
AND
TRANSPORTATION
OF
NAVAL
PERSONNEL
Pay of naval personnel : For pay and allowances prescribed by law
Nay
etc ., of the
of officers on sea duty and other duty, and officers on waiting orders
Maximum number .
(not to exceed five thousand four hundred and ninety-nine commis-
sioned officers of the line and one thousand four hundred and fi fty-
An te,
p
. 554
.
five warrant and commissioned warrant officers on the active list)-
Pa y , rental, subsst-
ap $30
7
302
)
942 ;
9
r enta l al Iowa nce, $6, 067, 182 ;;
subsistence allowance,
ence allowance.
pay
$3,709,998 ; in all, $40,080,122 ; officers on the retired list, $5,171,400 ;
Retired
.
for hire of quarters for officers serving with troops where there are
mro of quarters .
n o public quarters belonging to the Government, and where there are
not sufficient quarters possessed by the United States to accommodate
them, and hire of quarters for officers and enlisted men on sea duty
at su ch times as They may be de prived of th eir quarters on board
ship clue to repairs or other conditions which may render them unin-
habitable, $3,000 ; pay of enlisted men on the retired list, $2,284,004 ;
Enlisted men .
extra pay to men reenlisting after being honorably discharged,
$2,486,290 ; interest on deposits by men, $3,000 ; Pay of petty officers,
seamen, landsmen, and apprentice seamen, including men in the engi-
nee r's force and men detailed for duty wit h the Fish C ommission,
enlisted men, men in trade schools, pay of enlisted men of the Hos-
pital Corps, extra pay to men for diving, and cash prizes (not to
exceed $55,000) for men for excellence in gunnery, target practice,
Outfits, etc .
and engineering competitions, $68,511,846 ; outfits for all enlisted
Post, p
. 1576'
men a nd apprentice seamen of th e Navy on fi rst enlistmen t at not
to exceed $100 each, civilian clothing not to exceed $15 per man to
men given discharges for bad conduct or undesirability or inaptitude,
Clothing reimburse-
reimbursement in kind of clothing to persons in the Navy for losses ments, e tc.
in cases of marine or air craft disasters or in the operation of water
or air borne craft, and the authorized issue of clothing and equip-
ment to the members of the Nurse Corps, $1,738,230 ; pay of enlisted
men undergoing sentence of court-martial, $164,220, and as man
	
Machinists, appren-
e~
	
b
	
y tice
seamen
under
machinists as the President may from time to time deem necessary to
trainin g,
etc°
appoint ; and apprentice seamen under training at training stations
and on board training ships, at the pay prescribed by law, $1,530,000
;
pay and allowances of the Nurse Corps, including assistant superin-
tendents, directors, and assistant directors-pay $668,260, rental
allowance $16,320, subsistence allowance $21,900 ; pay retired list
$21,376 ; in all, $727,856 ; rent of quarters for members of the Nurse
Corps ; pay and allowances of transferred and assigned men of the
ists.
Naval Reserv-
Corps ;
Naval Reserve, $9,929,532 ; reimbursement for losses of property
Property
Vo
rNs
as provided in the Act approved October 6, 1917 (U . S . C ., title 34,
u. S. c., p. 1144.
1368.
sees. 981, 982), as amended by the Act of March 3, 1927 (U. S. C.,
u~scspp.IV,
Supp . III, title, 34, sec . 983), $5,000 ; payment of six months' death
p. 504.
th gratuity.
gratuity, $150,000 ; in all, $132,784 .500 ;
Subsistence of naval personnel : For provisions and commuted
Subsistence .
ons ,
commu-
rations for enliste d men of the Navy, which c ommuted ratio ns may
tation of rations, e tc .
be
paid t o caterers o f messes in c ase of death or desertion upon
orders of the commanding officers, at 50 cents per diem, and midship-
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1930 .
	
841
refunded to him. In the case of the death of any such member while
In case of death.
in the service the amount of his deductions shall be paid to the legal
representative of his estate, provided he leaves no widow or child
or children entitled to and granted relief payable from said fund .
SEC .
6 . The Commissioners of the District of Columbia are hereby
Conm is sio ne rs
o de.
empowered to determine and fix the amount of the pension relief
sn
re
t0
amount of pen-
empowered to determine and fix the amount of the pension relief
sion relief.
allowance
heretofore and hereafter granted to any person under
and in accordance with the provisions of section 12 of the Act
entitled &quot;An Act making appropriations to provide for the expenses
Vol . 39, p. 718M
of the government of the District of Columbia for the fiscal year
ending June 30, 1917, and for other purposes,&quot; approved September
1, 1916, and Acts amendatory thereof .
SEC. 7.
That this Act shall be effective on and after July 1, 1930 .
Effectivedate.
Approved, July 1, 1930 .
CHAP .
784 .--An
Act To further amend
sectio n 37
of th e Nati onal
Defens e
July 1, 1930.
Act of
Ju ne
4, 1920, as amended by
section 2
of the Act of September 22,
1922,
	
[H. R
.
3592 .]
so as to more clearly define the status of reserve officers not on active duty or on
Public, No
.490.]
active duty for training only .
Be
it
enacted
by
the
Senate
and
House
of
Representatives of
the
National
Defens e
U nited
States o f
Amer ica in
Cong ress a ssemb led,
That section 37 Act, amendments
,
of the National Defense Act of June 4, 1920, as amended by section
am en
2,
p.
1033,
2 of the Act of September 22, 1922 (Forty-second Statutes, page u . s . C ., pp .182,183,
1 0 33 ; section s 351, 352 , 353, 356 , and 360, title 10, United St ates
Co de), be, a nd the sam e is hereby , amended by adding thereto an other
Officers'
Rese rve
sentence as follows : &quot; Reserve officers while not on active duty shall
corps .
not, by reason solely of their appointments, oaths, commissions, or
status of while not
&gt;
	
&gt;
	
&gt;
	
&gt;
	
on
active duty .
status as reserve officers, or any duties or functions performed or pay
or allowances received as reserve officers, be held or deemed to be
officers or employees of the United States, or persons holding any
office of trust or profit or discharging any official function under or
in connection with any department of the Government of the United
States .&quot;
Approved, July 1, 1930 .
July 1, 1930.
CHAP .
785 .-An
Act
To
add
certain
lands
to
the
Boise
National
Forest .
	
[H. R. 4189.]
[Public, No
. 491.]
Be
it
enacted
by
the
Senate
and
House
of
Representatives of
the
United
States
o
f
America
in
Congress
assembled,
That the follow-
est, IdahoNatiena l For-
ing-described lands are hereby added to the Boise National Forest,
Lands added to .
Idaho, and made subject to all laws applicable to national forests :
Sections 2 to 11, inclusive ; sections 14, 15, 16, 21, 22, 23, and 26,
Description
.
township 2 south, range 9 east, Boise meridian .
Sections 2, 3, 10, 11, and
12,
township 1 south, range 7 east,
Bo ise mer idian .
Sections 1 to 5, inclusive ; north half northeast quarter south-
east quarter northeast quarter and lots 1, 4, and 5, section 6 ;
sections 7 to 26, inclusive ; and sections 35 and 36, township 1
south, range 8 east, Boise meridian .
All of township 1 south, range 9 east, Boise meridian .
Sections 1 to 32, inclusive, township 1 south, range 10 east, Boise
meridian.
Sections 3, 4, 5, and 6, township 1 south, range 11 east, Boise
meridian .
Sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, east half sections 6 and
7;
sections 8, 9,
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,
16, 17, east half section 18 ; sections 21, 22,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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SEVEN TY-F IRST
CONGRT:SS . SEss. II.
Cu . 848.
1930 .
of the air mail, and for all necessary expenses in connection there-
with, including rental of stables and storerooms, livery and extra
labor, this sum to be expended in accordance with the provisions of
vol. 37, n :181
.
sections 7 and 8 of the District of Columbia Appropriation Act for
the fiscal year 1912 (36 Stat ., pp . 1008-1011, sec. 7), and with the
p rovis ions of t he Di stric t of Colu mbia Appr opria tion Act for t he
Purchase of noapas-
fiscal year 1913 (37 Stat ., pp . 181-184, sec . 7), and other laws appli-
senger vehicle, etc .
cable thereto, including not to exceed $550 for the purchas_e and
exchange of one nonpassenger-carrying motor vehicle, and including
not to exceed $26,000 for operation and maintenance of electric traffic
lights, sign als, and controls, $915,000, and i n addition there is hereby
Provisos
.
	
reappropriated the unobligated balance of the appropriation for
Electric street light-
lighting for the fiscal year 1929 : Provided, That this appropriation
ing rates'
shall not be available for the payment of rates for electric street
lighting in excess of those authorized to be paid in the fiscal year
1927, and payment for electric current for new forms of street light-
Awar d of co ntracts to
in g shall not excee d 2 cent s per kilowatt-h our for current c onsumed :
lowest competitor.
Provided
further, That no part of this appropriation shall be avail-
able for the payment on any contract required by law to be awarded
through competitive bidding, which is not awarded to the lowest
responsible bidder on specifications, and such specifications shall be
so drawn as to admit of fair competition .
Study
of
power
For the purpose of making a study of the power needs of the
nee ds.
Post, p. 1391
.
District of Columbia with a view to establishing a municipally
owned and operated service therefor, including the employment, by
con tract or otherwis e, of su ch exper t and ot her perso nal serv ices as
shall be approved by the commissioners, without reference to the
C lassi ficat ion Act o f 192 3, a s ame nded, and nece ssary inc ident al
expenses, $25,000 .
Public schools .
	
PUBLIC
SCHOOL S
Administrative
and
supervisory officers .
	
Salaries : For personal services of administrative and supervisory
Vol
.43,p.368.
	
officers in accordance with the Act fixing and regulating the salaries
of teachers, school officers, and other employees of the Board of Edu-
cat ion of t he Distri ct of Co lumbia, approved June 4, 1924 (43 Stat .,
p p . 367-375), includi ng salaries of presidents of teach ers' colleges in
the salary schedule for first assistant superintendents, $665,800 .
Clerks, etc.
For pers onal ser vices of clerks a nd other employe es, $154, 800 .
Sch ool
att enda nce
For personal services in the department of school attendance and
and
work
permit
de-
partment.
	
work permits in accordance with the Act approved June 4, 1924
Vol
. 43,pp .367,806.
(43 Stat ., pp . 367-375), and the Act approved February
5, 1925
(43
Stat ., pp. 806-808), $38,800 .
etc
eachers, librarians,
Salaries :
For personal services of teachers and librarians in
Vol
.43,pp
. 367-376.
accordance with the Act approved June 4, 1924 (43 Stat ., pp . 367-
375), and professors in salary class nine, $6,200,000 : Provided, That
as teacher vacancies occur during the fiscal year 1931 in grades one
to four inclusive of the elementary schools, such vacancies may be
Kindergarten teach-
filled by the assignment of teachers now employed in kindergartens,
and teachers employed in kindergartens are hereby made eligible to
teach in the said grades.
tion, etc ,
Soliciting
m s chools
ch ools
No part of any appropriation made in this Act shall be paid to
prohi bited
.
any person employed under or in connection with the public schools
of the Dist rict of C olumbia who shal l solici t or rece ive, or permit
to be solicited or received, on any public-school premises, any sub-
scription or donation of money or other thing of value from any
pupil enrolled in such public schools for presentation of testimonials
Except ion,
to school officials or for any purpose except such as may be author-
ized by the Board of Education at a stated meeting upon the written
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SEVENTY-FIRST
CONGRESS .
SEss .
III .
Cs. 111 .
1931 .
Post Office Depart-
ment-Continued .
For indemnities, domestic mail, $209 .62.
For railroad transportation and mail-messenger service, $25 .
For rent, light, and fuel, $2,550.
For rural delivery service, $78 .91 .
Treasury
Depart-
	
TREASURY
DEPARTMENT
ment.
For collecting the revenue from customs, $112.95 .
For Coast Guard, $78 .
For outfits, Coast Guard, $7,015 .46 .
For pay and allowances, Coa st Guard, $33 .
For repairs to Coast Guard vessels, $72 .97 .
For enforcement of Narcotic and National
Prohi bition Acts,
internal revenue, $768 .05.
For frei ght, tra nspo rtat ion, and so fort h, P ubli c He alth Ser vice ,
$8 .01.
For mechanical equipment fo r public buil dings, $3 . 15 .
War Dep art ment .
	
WAR
DEPARTMENT
For registration and selection for military service, $173 .
For pay, and so forth, of the Army, $6,622 .38 .
For pay of the Army, $1,333 .57.
For pay, and so forth, of the Army, war with Spain, $2 .40 .
For increase of compensation, Military Establishment, $1,808 .29.
For Army transportation, $519 .90.
For clothing and equipage, $24 .13.
For general appropriations, Quartermaster Corps, $340.54 .
For incidental expenses, Quartermaster's Department, $64 .
For medical and hospital department, $837 .90 .
For fire control at fortifications, $12 .03.
For Air Service, Army, $38 .55 .
For arming, equi pping, and tr aining the Nat ional Guard, $80 .8 8 .
For Reserve Officers' Training Corps, $19 .80.
i ncreas es in
Add it ion al,
rates
me et
of
Total, audited claims, section 3,
$
$46,120 .19
f
together with such
exchan ge.
	
additional sum due to increases in rates of exchange as may
be
necessary to pay claims in the foreign currency as specified in certain
of the settlem ents of the G eneral Accoun ting Office .
Sundry
allowed
SEC .
4 . For the payment of claims allowed
by the General
c laims .
	
Accounting Office under the provisions of sundry Acts, as follows
Borongan,
Sam ar,
P
	
Relief of certain natives of Borongan, Samar, Philippine Islands :
Army rentals .
	
For the payment of claim allowed by the General
Accounting
Office under t he provisions of Private A ct Numbered 47 6, approved
Vol. 44, p. 1828.
March 3, 1927 (44 Stat ., p . 1828), and certified to the Seventy-first
Congre ss
in
Hous e
Doc ument
Numb ered
68 9,
und er
the War
Department, $27 .60 .
ua
Designated individ-
Relief of claimants under section 2, Private Act Numbered 524,
March 2, 1929 : For the payment of claim allowed by the General
Accounting Office under the provisions of Private Act Numbered
Vol.45,p. 2365.
524, approved March 2, 1929 (45 Stat ., p . 2365), and certified to
the Se venty- first Congr ess in House
Document
Numbered
68 9,
under the War Department, $1,552 .77 .
H
S
sp61,
DlCabeths
Return of funds of deceased patients, Saint Elizabeths Hospital
c orneli a Wini ker .
For the paymen t of the clai m of Cornelia Winiker
widow of Fred-
Vol. 34, p . 730.
erick Winiker, deceased, al lowed by the General kccoun ting Office
U.S.o.,p.681.
	
under the provisions of the Act of June 30, 1906 (U . S . C ., title 24,
sec . 177), and certified to the Seventy-first Congress in House Docu-
ment Numbered 689, under the Department of the Interior, $24 .50 .&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Divisional and regi-
mental headquarters.
Other funds not to be
used.
Pay period for offi-
cers .
Department General
Staff duty, etc .
Vol . 41, pp. 760, 765.
U.S. C.,p.171.
Other details .
Air Corps.
Vol. 41, p. 776 .
U.S. C.,p. 183.
Proviso .
Me dic al
Res erv e
Corps for
Veterans'
Administration pa-
tients in Army ho s-
pitals .
Payment from Army
funds .
C itize ns' mili tary
training .
Reserve Officers'
Training Corps .
Quartermaster sup-
plies for units of.
Tra ining camp ex-
pens es.
Co mmut ati on
of
travel allowance .
SEVENTY-FIRST
CONGRESS . SEss . III . Cla. 279 .
1931 .
service as an aviation pilot, by such agency as the Secretary of War
may designate : Provided, That not to exceed $100,000 of this appro-
priation may be used for establishment and maintenance of divi-
sional and regimental headquarters .
None of the funds appropriated elsewhere in this Act, except for
printing and binding and for pay and allowances of officers and
enli sted men of th e Reg ular Army , and for mile age, reim burse ment
of actual traveling expenses, or per diem allowances in lieu thereof,
as authorized by law, to Air Corps reserve officers on extended active
duty, shall be used for expenses in connection with the Organized
Reserves, but available supplies and existing facilities at military
posts shall be utilized to the fullest extent possible .
No portion of the appropriation shall be expended for the pay
of a reserve officer on active duty for a longer period than fifteen
days, except such as may be detailed for duty with the War Depart-
ment General Staff under section 3a and section 5 (b) of the Army
Reor anization Act approved June 4 , 1 9 2 0
(U. S. C., title 10, sees.
26, 31), or who may be detailed for courses of instruction at the
general or special service s chools of the Army, or who ma y be
detailed for duty as instructors at civilian military training camps,
appropriated for in this Act, or who may be detailed for duty with
tactical units of the Air Corps, as provided in section 37a of the
Army Reorganization Act approved June 4, 1920 (U. S . C., title 10,
sec . 369) : Provided, That the pay and allowances of such additional
officers and nurses of the Medical Reserve Corps as are required to
supplement the like officers and nurses of the Regular Army in the
care of beneficiaries of the United States Veterans' Bureau treated in
Army hospitals may be paid f rom the funds allotted to the War
Department by that bureau under existing law .
CI TIZE NS'
MI LIT ARY
TR AINI NG
RES ERVE
OJL ICER S'
T RAINI NG
C ORPS
For the procurement, maintenance, and issue, under such regula-
tions as may be prescribed by the Secretary of War, to institutions at
which one or more units of the Reserve Officers' Training Corps are
maintained, of such public animals, means of transportation,
supplies, tentage, equipment, and uniforms as he may deem necessary,
in cluding cleaning and launderin g of uniforms and clothing at
camps ; and to forage, at the expense of the United States, public
animals so issued, and to pay commutation in lieu of uniforms at a
rate to be fixed annually by the Secretary of War ; for transporting
sa id animals and other authorize d supplies and equipment from
place of issue to the several institutions and training camps and
return of same to place of issue when necessary ; for purchase of
traini ng manuals, including Governme nt publications and blank
f orm s ; for the establishment and maintenance of camps for the
further practical instruction of the members of the Reserve Officers'
Training Corps, and for transporting members of such corps to and
from such camps, and to subsist them while traveling to and from
such camps and while remaining therein so far as appropriations
will permit or, in lieu of transporting them to and from such camps
a nd su bsist ing them while en route , to pay them trave l al lowan ce
at the rate of 5 cents per mile for the distan ce by the shortest usually
traveled route from the places from which they are authorized to
proceed to the camp and for the return travel thereto, and to pay
the return travel pay in advance of the actual performance of the
travel ; for expenses incident to the use, including upkeep and depre-
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C ONGRESS .
SEss .
III .
CH. 326. 1931.
	
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in the discretion of the President, be retired from active service
and placed upon the retired list with retired pay at the rate of
21/
2
per centum of his active-duty pay multiplied by the number
of years of service for which entitled to credit in computation of
his pay on the active list, not to exceed a total of 7 5 per centum of said
Z roalsos.
active-duty pay :
Provided further,
Tha t add ition al c ommis sione d,
etc .dpersonnel
ionl
ofval ,
V et-
-warranted,
appointed, enlisted, and civilian personnel of the Medical
e rans ' Ad minis trat ion
Department of the Navy, required for the care of patients of the
patients in naval hos-
pitals .
United States Veterans' Bureau in naval hospitals, may be employed
in addition to the numbers appropriated for in this Act : Provided
Al Iowa nce
of
m id-
i
	
de te
.
further,
That no part of this appropriation shall be available for
chums
c.,
p e 1147,
the pay of any midshipmen whose admission subsequent to January
amended.
30, 1931, would result in exceeding at any time an allowance of three
midshipmen for each Senator, Representative, and Delegate in Con-
gress ; of one midshipman for Porto Rico, a native of the island,
appointed on nomination of the governor, and of three midshipmen
from Porto Rico, appointed on nomination of the Resident Commis-
sioner ; and of two midshipmen for the District of Columbia, except
that nothing herein shall deny pay to or prevent the admission of
Adm issions,
un der
any midshipman admissible within the number of appointments per-
1 931
affected .
Act
missible under the provisions of the Naval Appropriation Act for, the
fiscal year 1931 who may enter the Naval Academy in the class enter-
ing next after the approval of this Act : Provided further,
That
Ap pointments
at
large or from enlisted
nothing herein shall be construed to repeal or modify in any way men not affected .
existing laws relative to the appointment of midshipmen at large,
fr om the e nlisted p ersonnel of the naval se rvice, o r from th e Naval
Reserve :
Provided further, That no part of this appropriation shall
sea service require-
m ents of appo intm ents
be available for the pay of any midshipman appointed from enlisted
from enlisted men .
men of the Navy for admission to the Naval Academy in the class
entering in the calendar year 1932 who has not served aboard a vessel
of the Navy in full commission for at least nine months prior to
such admission .
MA INT ENA NCE ,- BUREAU OF SUPP LIES AND ACCOUNTS
For equipage, supplies, and services under the cognizance of the
Maintenance.
Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, including stationery for com-
manding, executive, communication, and navigating officers of ships,
boards and courts on ships, and chaplains ; accident prevention ;
services of civilian employees under the cognizance of the Bureau of
Supplies and Accounts ; freight, express, and parcel-post charges
men
r
t net,
et c.,
D&gt;epat .
pertaining to the Navy Department and Naval Establishment, lishment .
$10,100,000 : Provided, That the sum to be paid out of this appro-
ciemc al, etc ., serv-
priation, under the direction of the Secretary of the Navy, for
ices .
c hemists and for clerical, inspect ion, and messeng er servi ce in the
supply and accounting departments of the navy yards, naval stations,
and disbursing offices for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1932, shall
no t exceed $3,250,0 00 .
The clothing and small-stores fund shall be charged with the
stClothing and small-
value of all issues of clothing and small stores made to enlisted men
I ssue
to
Naval Re-
of the Naval Reserve and the uniform gratuity paid to officers of
serves, from .
the Naval Reserve .
EVACUATION
OF
HIGH
EXPLOSIVES,
NAVY
	
High explosives .
Toward the handling and transportation of high explosives to the
ammuhor
e,
Nev
.,
n aval ammu nitio n de pot, Hawth orne , Nev ada, and other poin ts, and
s hipp ing
and
stor -
expenses incident thereto, in accordance with the primary recom-
ingat.
mendations contained in House Document Numbered 199, Seventieth
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143 

tons; mica, 54,684 cwt. ; copper, 3,619 tons; of rubies, including sapphirei 
and spinels, 164,115 carats ; gold, 536,118 ox. 

The quantity of coal produced in 1919 was 22,628,000 tons. 

The average number of persons working in or about mines regulated by 
the Indian Mines Act was 237,738 in 1918, of whom 150,064 worked 
underground. 

Commerce. 

The following table applies to the sea-borne external trad* of India, 
which in 1834-35 amounted to Rupees 14,34,22,900 :— 

Imports 

Exports and Re- Exports 

1913-14&lt;pre-war) 
1916-16 . 
191«-17. 
1917-18 . 
1918-19 . 
1919-20 . 

M»-c: ir.ii.»e 

Rupees 
191,30,79,536 
138,16,93,032 
160,24,89,599 
164,35,48,949 
188,66,24,317 
221,70 

Rupees 
43,43,96,503 
11,94,62,390 
38,45,26,683 
51,76,43,152 
71,36,65.075 
r8,tS,88,5M 

Rupees 
249,00,61,911 

247.31,10,343 
244,90,39,300 
255,32,02,610 
332,75,78,755 

Rupees 
7,0», 28,830 
8,21.57.819 
6,41,73,057 
iUSl 
9,01,03,571 
13,67.97,719 

The following 
treasure : — 

table excludes Government stores and Government 

Tears ended 
March 31 

1914 (pre-war) 

1916 

1917 

1918 

1919 

1920 

iMfOKTS 

183,94,79.324 
131.98,62,443 
149,63,52,647 
150,42,51,105 
169,03.41,421 
207,97,23,940 

36,62,04,456 
11,85,52,673 
14,89.74 216 
26,05,48,255 
0.127 
11,12,31,996 

Rupees 
219,86,83,7S0 
143,34,14,516 
164,53.26,863 
176.47.99,360 
170,25,51,548 
219,09,55,936 

Years ended 
March 31 

1914 (pre-war) 

1916 

1917 

191S 

1919 

1920 

EXPORTS AMD Rt-EXFOKTS 

Merchandise 

R&lt;. 
848,87,88, 173 

lt*7,38,W,l*6 
245,15,06,272 
242,56,46,666 
253,S8,13,522 
326,79,31,299 

Treasure 

Ra. 

7,05,20,354 
7,42,58,319 
4,94,16,578 
5,43,10,741 

i,wja in 

7,51,95,707 

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==toread 2025==
* [[Author:Honoré de Balzac|Balzac]]→ [[The Two Poets]], [[A Distinguished Provincial at Paris]], [[Eve and David]]

==tovoicerecord 2025==
* [[The Captain's Daughter (Pushkin)]]

==Current (2024)==
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 23/Modern Russian Popular Songs]]
* [[Index:Oriental Encounters.djvu]]
* [[Index:Folk-lore of the Holy Land.djvu]]

==2020-2021==
* [[New Poems by James I]]
* [[Index:Narratives of the Mission of George Bogle to Tibet (1879).djvu]]—[[Index:Narratives of the mission of George Bogle to Tibet.djvu]]
*[[Index:Barlaam and Josaphat. English lives of Buddha.djvu]]
*[[Index:The National Geographic Magazine Vol 16 1905.djvu]]
*[[Folk-Lore/Volume 20/Folk-tales of the Lushais and Their Neighbours]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 6.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 5.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 4.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 3.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 2.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Writings of Prosper Merimee-Volume 1.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Letters Of Queen Victoria, vol. 2 (1908).djvu]] → [[/Sandbox/QVL2]]
*[[Index:The Letters Of Queen Victoria, vol. 3 (1908).djvu]] 
*[[Once a Week (magazine)/Series 1/Volume 1/River scenes in China - Part 1]]
*[[Index:Strange stories from a Chinese studio.djvu]]
*[[Index:Chronicles of the Picts, chronicles of the Scots, and other early memorials of Scottish history.djvu]]
*[[Index:In Korea with Marquis Ito (1908).djvu]]


==Not Mine - Priority==
*'''[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 21.djvu]]''' (Need help with diacritics)
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 3.djvu]]
*[[Index:Christianity in China, Tartary, and Thibet Volume I.djvu]]
*[[Index:Christianity in China, Tartary, and Thibet Volume II.djvu]]

==Mine - Priority ==
===Tales===
*[[Index:Folk Tales from Tibet (1906).djvu]]
*[[Index:Jewish Fairy Book (Gerald Friedlander).djvu]]
*[[Index:Russian Fairy Book (N. H. Dole).djvu]]
*[[Index:Eskimo Folk-Tales (1921).djvu]]
*[[Index:Tlingit Myths and Texts.djvu]]
*[[Index:Myths and Legends of British North America.djvu]]
*[[Index:Chinese Fairy Tales (H. Giles, 1920).djvu]]
*[[Index:Chinese Fairy Book (Richard Wilhelm).djvu]]
*[[Index:Chinese Fables and Folk Stories.djvu]]
*[[Index:Chinese Merry Tales (1909).djvu‎]]
*[[Index:Pekinese Rhymes (G. Vitale, 1896).djvu]] (Need help with Chinese characters)

===Travelogues===
*[[Index:Mongolia, the Tangut country, and the solitudes of northern Tibet vol 1 (1876).djvu]]
*[[Index:Mongolia, the Tangut country, and the solitudes of northern Tibet vol 2 (1876).djvu]]
*'''[[Index:From Kulja, across the Tian Shan to Lob-Nor (1879).djvu]]'''
* [[Early English Adventurers in the East]]

===Tibeticɑ===
* [[1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tibet]]
*[[Index:Narratives of the Mission of George Bogle to Tibet (1879).djvu]]
*[[Index:Three Years in Tibet.djvu]]
*[[Index:Across Thibet Vol. 1.djvu]]
*[[Index:Across Thibet Vol. 2.djvu]]

===Sinicɑ===
* '''[[Twentieth Century Impressions of Hongkong, Shanghai, and other Treaty Ports of China]]''' (stalled)
* [[Index:Hakluytus Posthumus or Purchas His Pilgrimes Volume 12.djvu]] (formatting required is too intricate for me while it contains the first truly scholarly description of China done by a Westerner)
*''[[Flora of Kwangtung and Hongkong (China)]]'' (1912) (help with botany)
* [[Index:Flora Hongkongensis.djvu]] (help with botany)
* '''[[Index:Essays on the Chinese Language (1889).djvu]]'''
* [[Index:Oriental Religions - China.djvu]]
*'''[[Index:Chinese Life in the Tibetan Foothills.djvu]]''' (traditional Chinese characters and Mandarin transcription according to Wylie)
*'''[[Index:The Chinese Empire. A General &amp; Missionary Survey.djvu]]''' (now at Szechwan)
*[[Index:Chinese Characteristics.djvu]]
*[[Index:Chinese Speaker (E. Morgan, 1916).djvu]] (Need help with Chinese characters)
*[[Index:Strange stories from a Chinese studio.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Chinese language and how to learn it.djvu]]


===Rossica===
*[[Oblomov (1915)]] - edition has problem with chapter numbers
*[[The Mantle and Other Stories]] by Gogol
*[[Dream Tales and Prose Poems]] — not like I entirely started it
*[[Index:Columbia University Lectures on Literature (1911).djvu]]
*[[The Writings of Prosper Mérimée]]
*[[Russian Novelists (1887)]]

===Judaica===
*'''[[Index:Short Treatise on God, Man and His Wellbeing.djvu]]''' by Spinoza
*[[Index:A History of Mediaeval Jewish Philosophy.djvu]]
*[[Index:Nine Yiddish Writers.djvu‎]]

===Special Care Needed===
*[[Author:Jan Jakob Maria de Groot]] (please add works!)
*[[Index:Narratives of the mission of George Bogle to Tibet.djvu]] (Please change source file!)
*[[Index:Gospel of Buddha.djvu]] (Please change source file!)
* [[Index:The Visit of the Teshoo Lama to Peking.djvu]] (Source file needs to be changed?)
* [[Index:Kutenai Tales.djvu]] (Need help with Ktunaxa language - diacritics!)
* [[Index:Phrase Book in the Canton Dialect or Dialogues on Ordinary and Familiar Subjects.djvu]] (Need help with Chinese characters)

===Random authors===
*[[Author:Prosper Mérimée]]
*[[Author:Grigory Potanin]] 
*[[Author:Mary Everest Boole]]
*[[Author:George Trumbull Ladd]]
*[[Author:Albert, Prince Consort]]
*[[Author:Leopold I of Belgium]]
*[[Author:Nicholas I of Russia]]
* [[Author:Abraham Goldfaden]]
* [[Author:Avrom Ber Gotlober]]

=== Not planning to work on ===
* [[Index:Devon and Cornwall Queries Vol 9 1917.djvu]]
* [[Index:Japanese Gardens (Taylor).djvu]]
* [[Author:William Brighty Rands]]

== I am also interested in items someone else started: ==
=== Chinese miscellanea ===
* '''[[The Spirit of the Chinese People]]'''
* [[Index:The punishments of China.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese without a teacher - being a collection of easy and useful sentences.djvu]]
* [[Index:A wandering student in the Far East vol.1 - Zetland.djvu]]
* [[Index:Through China with a camera.pdf]]
* [[My life in China and America]]

=== Journal Articles ===
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 15/Tibetan Charms]] img
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 15/Tibetan Prayer-Wheels]] img
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 15/Tibetan Drum and Trumpet]] img
* [[The Folk-Lore Journal/Volume 3/Folk-Lore in Mongolia]]
* [[The Folk-Lore Journal/Volume 4/Folk-Lore in Mongolia]]
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 32/Garo Marriages]]
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 32/Garo Marriages, 1]]
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 32/Garo Marriages, 2]]
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review Volumes 32 and 33.djvu/618]] (Isle of Skye folklore)
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 4, 1893.djvu/266]] (white rabbit a token of death)
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 30/January 1887/The Intermingling of Races]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 58/November 1900/China]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 58/December 1900/Chinese Commerce]]

==== Great Game ====
* [[Index:England &amp; Russia in Central Asia,Vol-I.djvu]]
* [[Index:England &amp; Russia in Central Asia,Vol-I.djvu]]

==== Sacred Books ====
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 13.djvu]]
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 16.djvu]]
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 17.djvu]]
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 20.djvu]]
*[[Index:Sacred Books of the East - Volume 27.djvu]]
*[[Index:Barlaam and Josaphat. English lives of Buddha.djvu]]

=== Not Mine, Not Edited ===
* [[The fairy tales of science]]
* [[A Wayfarer in China]]
* [[The American Indian]]
* [[The Varieties of Religious Experience]]

==== Not Mine - Other====
*[[Index:National Life and Character.djvu]]
*[[The Descent of Bolshevism]]

===Not Mine, Finished===
*[[1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Kern, Jan Hendrik]]
*[[1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Prjevalsky, Nikolai Mikhailovich ‎]]
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 28/Folk-Lore from the Himalayas]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 21/August 1882/The Topmost Country of the Earth]]
* [[The Folk-Lore Journal/Volume 5/Chinese Superstitions]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 21/September 1882/The Chinese: Their Manners and Customs]]
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 1/Notes on Chinese Folk-Lore]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 36/January 1890/The Chinese Theory of Evolution]]
* [[Author:William Henry Thornton]]
* [[Page:Folk-lore - A Quarterly Review. Volume 23, 1912.djvu/289]] (review of Stein's Desert Cathay)
* [[Folk-Lore/Volume 23/Meithei Literature]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 60/March 1902/Work and Rest: Genius and Stupidity]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 30/January 1887/Sketch of Nicholas Prejevalski]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 35/May 1889/The Desert of Gobi and the Himalayas]]
* [[Popular Science Monthly/Volume 32/December 1887/The Boyhood of Darwin]]
* [[Index:A La California.djvu]]

=== Started and finished ===
* [[Index:Ports of the world - Canton (1920).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Boy and Girl.djvu]]
* [[Index:Inside Canton.djvu]]
* [[The New Student's Reference Work/Canton (China)]]


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==Works==
*''Le Bel Inconnu''

==Works about Renaud==
* ''Studies on the Libeaus Desconus'', vol. IV of ''Studies and Notes in Philology and Literature'', by [[Author:William Henry Schofield|William Henry Schofield]] (1895) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/studiesonlibeaus00scho/}}


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Vol . 39, p. 1043.
Washington
Subur-
ban
'
San it ary
Co m-
mission .
Delivery of water to,
for
distribution
in
Maryland .
Vol . 46,
p.
838 .
Legislative authority
for agree ment requ ired .
Provisions of agree.
me nt
.
Meters.
Rates.
Payments .
Amount of
water
to
be furnished .
investigation
of
Maryland distribution
system .
72d
CONGRESS .
SESS. I.
CH. 100.
APR IL
14,
1932.
Suburban Sanitary Commission by the Commissioners of the District
of Columbi a, is he reby rep ealed an d reenac ted
so
as to read as fol-
lows
&quot; For the protection of the health of the residents of the District
of
Columbia
and
the
employees
of
the
United
States
Government
residing in Maryland near the District of Columbia
boundary, the
Commissioners of the District of Columbia, upon the request of the
Washington
Suburban
Sanitary
Commission,
a
body
corporate,
established by chapter 313 of the acts of 1916 of the State of Mary-
land, or upon the request of its legally appointed successor, are hereby
authorized
to
deliver
water
from
the
water-supply
system
of
the
Distri ct of
Colu mbia t o sai d Wash ingto n Sub urban
Sanit ary C om-
mission or its s uccessor for dis tributio n to terr itory in Marylan d
within the Washington Suburban Sanitary District as designated in
the aforesaid Act, or any amendment thereto, and to connect
Di s-
trict
of Columbia water mains with water mains in the
State
of
Maryland at such points at or near the District of
Columbia
li ne
as
may
be agreed
upon from time to time by the
Commissioners of
the
District
of
Columbia
and
the
Washington
Suburban
Sanitary
Commission, under the conditions hereinafter named, namely
&quot; Th at befor e such c onnectio ns shall be made the sai d Washin gton
Suburban
Sanitary
Commission
or
its
legally
appointed
successor
shall secure authority from the Legislature of the State of Mary-
land to enter into an agreement with the said Commissioners of the
District
of
Columbia
outlining
the
conditions
under
which
the
service is to be rendered .
&quot; The
agreement
be tw een
the
Commissioners of
the
District
of
Columbia
and
the
said
Washington
Suburban
Sanitary
Commission
or
its
legally
appointed
successor
shall
provide,
among
other
thin gs-
j
&quot; First .
That t he me ters
on each of
said
connec tions
shal l be
located within t he Distr ict of C olumbia and shall remain under th e
uri sdiction of the Commissi oners of the Dis trict of Columbi a .
&quot; Second . The rates at which water will be furnished, said rates
to be based on the actual cost to the United States and the District
of
Columbia
of delivering water to the points
designated above,
including an interest charge at 4 per centum per annum and a suit-
able al Iowa nce for dep rec iati on .
&quot; Third .
That
payments
for
water
so
furnished
shall
be
made
through the coll ector of taxes o f the Di strict of Columbi a at suc h
times as the Com missione rs of th e Distri ct of Col umbia ma y direct ,
said pay ments to be depo sited in the Tre asury of the Unit ed State s
as other water rents now collected in the District of Columbia are
deposited .
&quot;
Fourth. That at no time shall the amount of water furnished the
sa id
Washington
Suburban
Sanitary
Commission
or
its
successor
exceed
the
amount
th at
can
be
spared
without
jeopardizing
the
interests of the United States or of the District of Columbia .
&quot;Fifth . That the Commissioners of the District of Columbia shall
have at all time s the right to i nvestigate the d istribution syste m in
Maryland, and if, in their opinion, there is a wastage of water they
shall have the right to curtail the supply to said sanitary district to
the amount
of such wastage .&quot;
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72d
CONG RESS .
SESS.I.
CH. 209.
JUNE
6,1932 .
(c)
TA XES
GE NERA LLY .-Taxe s paid or accrue d within the ta xable
year, except-
(1) income, war-profits, and excess-profits taxes imposed-by the
authority of the United States ;
( 2) income, war-pr ofits, and excess -profits taxes i mposed by the
a uthority of any
foreign countr y or possession
of the United
States ; but this deduction shall be allowed in the case of a tax-
payer who does not signify in his return his desire to have to any
exte nt the benefits o f section 131 (r elating to credit for taxes of
foreign countries and possessions o the United States) ; and
(3) taxes assessed against local benefits of a kind tending to
increase the value of the property assessed ; but this paragraph shall
not exclude the allowance as a deduction of so much of such taxes
as is properly allocable to maintenance or interest char es .
For the purpose of this subsection, estate, inheritance, legacy, and
succession taxes accrue on the due date thereof, except as otherwise
provided by the law of the jurisdiction imposing such taxes, and
shall be allowed as a deduction only to the estate .
(d)
TAXES
OF SHARFHoLDER PAm BY CORPORATION.-The deduction
for taxes allo wed by subsecti on (c) shall be allowed to a cor pora-
tion in the case of taxes imposed upon a shareholder of the corpora-
tion upon his interest as shareholder which are paid by the corpora-
tion without reimbursement from the shareholder but in such cases
no deduction shall be allowed the shareholder for the amount of such
taxes .
(e) LOSSES BY INDIvmIIALS .-Subject to the limitations provided in
subsection (r) of this section, i n the case of an individual, losses sus-
tained during the taxable year and not compensated for by insurance
or
otherwise-
1
if incurred in trade or business ; or
2) if incurred in any transaction entered into for profit, though
not connected with the trade or business ; or
(3) of property not connected with the trade or business if the
l oss arises from fires, storms, s hipwreck, or ot her casualty, or
from theft .
No loss shall be allowed as a deduction under this
paragraph if at the time of the filing of the return such loss has
been claimed as a deduction for estate tax purposes in the estate
tax return .
corpora.
(f) LOSSES BY CORPORATIONS .-Subject to the limitations provided
in subsection (r) of this section, in the case of a corporation, losses
sustained during the taxable year and not compensated for by insur-
ance or otherwise .
to
Basis for determining
(g)
BA SIS
FOR DETERMINING
Loss.-The basis for determining the
amount of d eduction for los ses sustained, to be allowed un der sub-
Po st,p
.2014
section (e) or
(f), shall be the adjusted basis provided in section
113 (b) for determining the gain or loss from the sale or other dis-
po sit ion
of
pie rty .
Disallowance of los s
(h) Loss
ON
W ASH
SALES OF STOCK OR SECURITIES .-For disallow-
on
	
sales of
stock, a nte of loss deduct ion in the case of sales of stock o r securities where
within thirty days before or after the date of the sale the taxpayer
Post, P. M.
	
has acquire d substantially i dentical property , see section 11 8.
Net losses
of
prior
	
(i) NET
LossES .-The, special deduction for net losses of a prior
ye
t, p. 207.
	
year to the extent provid ed in section 117 .
Worthless debts.
(j5
BAD
D EB T S : Debts a scertained to be worthless' and charged
o ff w it h in .the taxable year (or, in the discretion of t he Commis-
sioner, a reasonable addi tion to a reserve for bad debts) ;
and
wh en
satisfied that a debt is recoverable only in part, the C9mmissioner
INCOME
TAX
Taxes paid within
taxable year .
Exceptions .
Pod, p . 211,
Accruement of estate,
etc., taxes.
Limitation .
Taxes of sh areh old er
paid by corporation .
Losses
by
individ.
uals.
Business .
Not connected with
trade or business.
Ca sua lty los ses not
co nnec ted
with
busi-
ness.
Di sal lowe d
if
de.
ducted for estate-tax
purposes .
Losses by
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Tuberculosis and ve-
nereal diseases dispen-
saries .
Proviaos .
Volunteer services.
No pay authorized
therefor .
Drainage of lots, etc .
Vol. 29, p.128
.
Abatement of nui-
sVo 34,p.114.
Hy gi
gachools ene, et c
., public
.
Personal services .
Dental clinics .
Proviso.
Division of inspectors
and nurses .
Maintenance of labo-
rat ori es,e tc .
Preventing food,
cand y, etc ., a dultera -
tions.
Vol . 30, pp. 246, 398.
Pure food law .
Vol. 34, p. 768.
Milk regulations .
Vol. 43, p . 1004.
Proviso.
Dairy farm inspec-
tors.
Allowance for motor
vehicles
.
Motor vehicles .
Child hygiene and
welfare .
Provisos.
Volunteer sertihs
ace,-pled
.
72d
CONGRESS .
SESS . I.
CH. 308 .
JUNE 29, 1932 .
For the maintenance of a dispensary or dispensaries for the treat-
ment of indigent persons suffering from tuberculosis and of indigent
persons suffering from venereal diseases, including payment for
personal services, rent, supplies, and contingent expenses, $44,000,
of which not exceeding $15,000 shall be available for the alteration
of qua rters, expen ses of movin g, and purcha se and insta llatio n of
equipment, such work to be performed by day labor or otherwise in
the discretion of the Commissioners of the District of Columbia
Provided, That the commissioners may accept such volunteer services
as they deem expedient in connection with the establishment and
maintenance of the dispensaries herein authorized : Provided fur-
th er
That this shall not be construed to authorize the expenditure
or' the payment of any money on account of any such volunteer
service .
For enforcement of- the provisions of an Act to provide for the
drainage of lots in the District of Columbia, approved May 19,
1896 (29 Stat ., pp . 125-126), and an Act to provide for the abatement
of nuis ances in the Distr ict of Colum bia by the co mmissi oners, and
for other purposes, approved April 14, 1906, $2,500 .
HYGIENE
AND
SANITATION,
PUBLIC
SCHOOLS
Salaries : For personal services in the conduct of hygiene and
sanitat ion wo rk in the pu blic s chools , inclu ding t he - 'nece ssary ex-
penses of maintaining free dental clinics, $95,980 : Provided,
That
of the persons employed as medical inspectors one shall be a woman,
four shall be dentists, and -four shall be of the colored race, and that
of the graduate nurses employed as public-school nurses three shall
be of the colored race .
For maintenance of laboratories, including reference books and
periodicals, apparatus, equipment, and necessary contingent and
miscellaneous expenses, $2,500 .
For contingent expenses incident to the enforcement of
an Act
relatin g to t he adu lterat ion of foods and dr ugs in the D istric t of
Columbia approved February 17, 1898 (30 Stat ., pp . 246-248), an
Act to prevent the adulteration of candy in the . District of Columbia,
approved May 5, 1898 (30 Stat ., p . 398), an Act for preventing the
manufac ture, sale, or tra nsport ation of adul terate d or m isbran ded
or poison ous or de leterious foods, d rugs, med icines, a nd liquor s, and
for regul ating tra ffic ther ein, and for other purposes , approve d June
30, 1906 (84 Stat ., pp . 768-772), and an Act to, regulate, within the
Distric t of C olumbi a, the sale of mil k, crea m, and ice c ream, and
for other purposes, approved February 27, 1925 (43 Stat ., pp . 1004-
1008), including traveling and other necessary expenses of dairy-
farm inspectors ; and including not to exceed $100 for special serv-
ices in detec ting a dulter ation of dru gs and foods, inclu ding c andy
and milk, $8,300 : Provided, That inspectors of dairy farms may
receive an allowanc e for furnis hing p rivatel y owne d moto r vehi cles
in the performance of official duties at the rate of not to exceed $480
per annum for each inspector .
For maintenance and operation of motor ambulances and motor
vehicles, $1,100 ; for purchase of one mo tor truck , $900 ; in all, $2,0 00,
y
For maintaining a child-hygiene service, including the establish-
ment and maintenance of child-welfare stations for the clinical
examinations, advice, care, and maintenance of children under six
e ars o f a ge, payment for pers onal serv ices, ren t, fuel, periodica ls,
and supplies, 52,000 : Provided, That the Commissioners may accept
such volunteer services as they may deem expedient in connection
with the establishment and maintenance of the service herein author-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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C ONGRESS.
SESS .
II.
CH.
127 .
FEBR UARY
27,
1933 .
be
may
order such further notice
to
be given
as may seem
to him
proper.
SEC .
86 9.
WHEN
SETTLEMENT
IS
FINAL,
NOTICE
MUST
SO STATE
.-If m antRce of fi nal s ettle .
the account mentioned in the preceding section be for a final settle-
men t, and a petitio n for the final distribution of the estate be fi led
with said account, the notice of settlement must state those
fact s,
which notice must be given by posting or publication for at least ten
days
prior
to
the
day
of
settlement .
On the settlement of
said
account, distribution and partition of the estate to all entitled thereto
may be immediately had without
further notice or proceedings .
SEC .
870 . INTERESTED
PARTY
MAY
FILE
EXCEPTIONS
TO
ACCOUNT.-
Exceptions
to
so.
On the day
appointed, or any subsequent
day to which the hearing
may be p ostponed by the court, a ny perso n interes ted in t he estat e
may appear and file his exceptions in writing to the account, and
contest the same.
SEC. 871.
ALL
MATTERS
MAY
BE
CONTESTED
BY
THE
HEIRS ; HEARING
by
h nte ti ngofma tters
MAY
BE PoSTPONED .-All matters, including allowed claims not passed
upon on the settlement of any former account, or on rendering an
exhibit, or on making a decree of sale, may be contested by the heirs,
for
cause
shown .
The
hearing
and
allegations of
the
respective
b Posttponement of
parties may
be
postponed
from
time
to
time,
when
necessary,
and
the court may appoint one or more referees to examine the accounts,
and make report thereon, subject to confirmation ; and
may
allow
a
reasonable compensation to the referees to be paid out of the estate
of the decedent .
Whenever
an
allowed
claim
is
contested
by
any
Trial by 3u
ry
°
heir, or other person entitled to contest it, either the contestant or the
claimant is entitled to a trial by jury of the issues of fact presented
by the contest ; and it is the duty of the court, at request of either
party, to call a jury and submit to them such issues, and, after receiv-
ing their verdict, to enter an order disposing of such contest in
accordance
therewith.
SEC. 872 .
SETTLEMENT
OF
ACCOUNTS
TO BE
C ONCL USIV E,
W HEN
AND
Settlement o f
WHEN
NoT.The settlement of the account and the allowance thereof
accounts c onclusive.
by the court, or upon appeal, is conclusive against all persons in any
way interested in the estate, saving, however, to all persons laboring
Savingpersonsunder
under any legal disability, their right to move for cause to reopen
and examine the account, or to proceed by action against the executor
or a dmi nist rat or, eith er indi vidu all y
or upon
his bond, at any time
before final d istribution ;
and
in
any
action brought
by
any such
person , the allowance and sett lement o f the ac count is prima f acie
evidence of its correctness .
SEC . 873. PROOF
OF
NOTICE
OF
SETTLEMENT
OF
ACCOUNTS .The
Proof of not ice .
account must n ot be allowed by the court until it is first pro ved that
notice has been given as required by this chapter, and the decree
must show that such proof was made to the satisfaction of the court,
and is conclusive evidence of the fact .
SEC. 874.
DECEASED
EXECUTOR'S
OR
GUARDIAN'S
ACCOUNTS .-If
any
etc
D eceased executor's ,
executor's,
executo r, admin istrator or guar dian die s, his a ccounts may be p re-
sented by his personal representative to, and settled by, the court
in which the estate of which he was executor, administrator or guard-
ian
is
being
administered and, upon petition
of the successor
of
such deceased executor, administrator or guardian, such court may
compel the personal representatives of such deceased executor, admin-
istrat or or gu ardian t o render an acco unt of t he admin istratio n of
their testator or intestate, and must settle such account as in other
cases .
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tr
Services in the Dis.
service : Provided further,
That there may be expended from this
Vol. 39, p. 429; Vol.
appropriation for clerical and other assistance in the District of
43, P. 1069.
U. S.
c., pp . 126% Columbia not exceeding the sum of $75,750 to carry out the provisions
1286.
	
of section 5 of the Act of July 28, 1916 (U . S. C ., title 39, sec. 562)
(the space basis Act), and not exceeding the sum of $37,250 to carry
out the provisions of section 214 of the Act of February 28, 1925
(U . S. C., title 39, sec . 826) (cost ascertainment) .
Railway Mail Service : For fifteen division superintendents,, fif-
teen assistant division superintendents, two assistant superintendents
at large , one ass istant su perintend ent in c harge of car const ruction,
one hundred and twenty-one chief clerks, one hundred and twenty-
one assistant chief clerks, clerks in charge of sections in the offices
of division superintendents, railway postal clerks, substitute railway
postal clerks, joint employees, and laborers in the Railway Mail
Service, $51,000,000 .
For travel allowance to railway postal clerks and substitute rail-
way postal clerks, $2,466,667 .
For actual and necessary expenses, general superintendent and
assistant general superinte ndent, di vision su perintend ents, ass istant
division superintendents, assistant superintendents, chief clerks, and
assistant chief clerks, Railway Mail Service, and railway postal
clerks, while actually traveling on business of the Post Office Depart-
ment an d away from their severa l desi gnated headqu arters , $60, 000 .
For rent, light, heat, fuel, telegraph, miscellaneous and office
expenses, telephon e service , badges for railw ay
. postal clerks, for the
purchase or rental of arms and miscellaneous items necessary for the
protect ion of the m ails, and re ntal o f space for t ermina l rail way
post offices for the distribution of mails when the furnishing of space
for such distribut ion can n ot, under the Post al Laws a nd Regula tions,
properly be required of railroad companies without additional com-
pensati on, an d for equipm ent an d misc ellaneo us ite ms nec essary to
terminal railway post offices, $975,000 .
For electric and cable car service, $450,000 .
For transportation of foreign mails by steamship, aircraft, or
otherwise, including the cost of advertising in connection with the
award of contracts authorized by the Merchant Marine Act of 1928
(U. S . C., title 46, sees . 861-889 ; Supp . V, title 46, sees . 886-891x),
$35 500,000 : Provided, That no part of the money herein appropri-
ated shall be paid on contract numbered 56 to the Seatrain Company
Provided further, That not to exceed $7,000,000 of this sum may be
expended for carrying foreign mail by aircraft under contracts which
will not create obligations for the fiscal year 1935 in excess of
$7,000,000 : Provided further, That the Postmaster General is author-
ized-to e xpend suc h sums as may be n ecessary, not to e xceed $25 0,000,
to cover the cot to the United States for maintaining sea-post
service on ocean steamships conveying the mails to and from the
United States including the salary of the Assistant Director, Divi-
sion of International Postal Service, with headquarters at New York
City .
For balances due foreign countries, $1,000,000.
For travel and miscellaneous expenses in the Postal Service, office
of the Second Assistant Postmaster General, $1,200 .
For the inland transportation of mail by aircraft, under contract
as authorized by law, and for the incidental expenses thereof, includ-
ing not t o exceed $27,500 f or superv isory off icials an d clerks at air
mail tran sfer poin ts, and n ot to exc eed $34,0 00 for pe rsonal se rvices
in the District of Columbia and incidental and travel expenses,
$15,000,0 00 .
Railway Mail Serv-
ice.
Division
superin-
tendents.
Travel allowance to
clerks .
Expenses, away from
headquarters .
Miscellaneous.
Arms
for
mail
pro-
tect ion .
Rent, etc ., terminal
offices .
Electric and cable car
serv ice .
Foreign mails.
Vol. 41, p . 988; Vol.
45.
P. 689.
U. S.
C ., p. 1537;
Supp. VI, p.818.
Proefeos.
Payment t o the Sea-
train
Company
f or-
bidden
.
Aircraft
allowance;
Contract restrictions .
Sea post serv ice .
Assistant
Director,
International Postal
Service Division .
Balances due foreign
countries .
Travel, etc .
Aircraft contract, in-
land service .
72d
C ONGRESS .
SESS . II.
CH. 212 .
MARCH
3,
1933 .&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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SESS. II.
CH. 281 .
MARCH
4,
1933 .
and operation and maintenance thereof ;
maintenance of water,
sewer ; and plumbing systems ; maintenance of and repairs to cadet
camp ; fire-extinguishing apparatus ; machinery and tools and repairs
of same ; maintenance, repair, and operation of motor-propelled
vehicles ; policing buildings and grounds ; furniture, refrigerators,
and lockers for Government-owned buildings at the academy and
repair and maintenance thereof ; fuel for heat, light, and power ; and
other neces sary i nciden tal e xpense s in t he dis cretio n of the su perin-
tendent ; in all, $1,122,097 .
M ILI TIA
BUREAU
NA TIO NAL
GU ARD
Militia Bureau .
National Guard .
ARM ING ,
E QUI PPIN G,
AND
TR AIN ING
THE
NA TIO NAL
GU ARD
	
Arming, etc .
For procurement of forage, bedding, and so forth, for animals
Foraee,eto .
used by the National Guard, $801,886 .
Fo r compensation of help for care of materials, animals, and
equipment, $2,142,800 .
For expenses, camps of instruction, field and supplemental training,
etcustruction expenses,
and including medical and hospital treatment authorized by law,
and the hire (at a rate not to exceed $1 per diem), repair, mainte-
nance, and operation of motor-propelled passenger-carrying vehicles,
$9,98 3,981, of wh ich $2 00,00 0 shal l be a vailab le imm ediat ely .
F or ex penses , sele cted o fficer s and enlis ted me n, mil itary servi ce
schools, including medical and hospital treatment authorized by law,
$359,300.
F or pa y of p ropert y and disbur sing office rs for the U nited State s,
$75,500.
For general expenses, equipment, and instruction, National Guard,
including medical and hospital treatment authorized by law, and
the hire (at a rate not to exceed $1 per diem), repair, maintenance,
and operation of motor-propelled passenger and nonpassenger carry-
ing vehicles, $730,776.
	
Travel, Army offi-
For travel of officers, warrant officers, and enlisted men of the
ears, etc .
Regular Army in connection with the National Guard, $305,980 :
Provided, That not to exceed $2,000 of this sum shall be expended
for travel of officers of the War Department General Staff in con-
nect ion w ith the Natio nal Guard .
For transportation of equipment and supplies, $225,000 .
For expenses of enlisted men of the Regular Army on duty with
the National Guard, including the hiring of quarters in kind, $468,450 .
For pay of National Guard (armory drills), $15,867,385, of which
$2,00 0,000 shall be ava ilabl e imme diatel y .
No part of the appropriations made in this Act shall be available
for p ay, allowanc es, or trav eling or oth er exp enses of an y offi cer or
enlisted man of the National Guard who may be drawing a pension,
disability allowance, disability compensation, or retired pay from the
Government of the' United States : Provided,
That nothing in this
provision shall be so construed as to prevent the application of funds
herei n cont ained to the pay, allow ances, or tr avelin g exp enses of any
officer or enlisted man of the National Guard who may surrender
said pension . disability allowance, disability con .psnsatiur . or retired
pay for the period of his service in the National Guard
: Prot °idi,d
furt/or, That present ad ittants general who nwv he drawing such
emoluments may be continued in a federally recognized status without
pay under this Act.
Care of animals, etc .
Service schools, in .
struction, etc .
Property, etc ., offi-
cers .
Equipment, etc.
1589
Proviso .
war
Department
General Staff .
Transporting sup-
plies .
Army enl isted men .
Pay, armory drills .
No
ay to National
Guar
officer,
etc.,
drawing pension, etc.
Pr os
tics .
Fay on surrender of
pension, etc .
Asitutan , s general
cunnc .ic i in i re=mt
sta'us without pay
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CONGRESS . 
SESS. I. 
CH. 101. 
JUNE 
16, 1933. 
	 
297 
PRINTING 
AND 
BINDING 
For all printing and binding for the Smithsonian Institution, 
b 
a 
gting 
and 
including all of its bureaus, offices, institutions, and services located 
in Washington, District of Columbia, and elsewhere, $5,500 . 
Total, Smithsonian Institution, $820,000, of which amount not to 
Services in 
exceed $750,000 may be expended for personal services in the 
District of Columbia . 
SUPREME 
COURT 
BUILDING 
COMMISSION 
	 
Bu ild 
upreme 
Court 
Supreme Court Building : For completing the construction of the 
ses onstruction expen- 
building for the United States Supreme Court in accordance with 
vol-11,P- 51- 
the provisions of the Act entitled &quot;An Act to provide for the 
construction of a building for the Supreme Court of the United 
Available until ex- 
States &quot;, 
approved December 
20, 
1 929 
(46 Stat ., pp . 50-51), 
pended. 
$3,490,000, to remain available until expended . 
TARIFF 
COMMISSION 
	 
Tariff Commission . 
Salaries and expan- 
For salar ies an d expe nses o f the United States Tarif f Comm ission , 
ses 
' 
including purchase and exchange of labor-saving devices, the pur- 
chase of professional and scientific books, law books, books of 
reference, gloves and other protective equipment for photostat and 
other machine operators, rent in the District of Columbia and else- 
where , sub scrip tion s to newsp aper s and peri odica ls, and c ontra ct 
stenographic reporting services, as authorized by sections 330 to 
Reporting. 
. 
341 of the Tariff Act of 1930, approved June 17, 1930 
(U.S.C., 
x19s 
.o.,Supp. VI, P. 
Supp . VI, title 19, sees. 1330-1341) ; $785,000, of which amount not 
to exceed $692,000 may be expended for personal services in the 
District of Columbia ; 
not to exceed $2,500 for expenses, except 
membership fees, of attendance at meetings concerned with subjects 
under investigation by the commission 
; and not to exceed $7,500 
for allowanc es for livin g quar ters, includi ng hea t, fue l, and light , 
as authorized by the Act approved June 26, 1930 
(U .S .C., 
Supp . 
VI, title 5, sec . 118a), but not to exceed $720 may be so used for any 
one person : Provided, 
That the Commission may procure supplies 
and services without regard to section 3709 of the Revised Statutes 
(U .S .C ., title 41, sec . 5) when the aggregate amount involved does 
not exceed $50 : Provided further, 
That no part of this appropria- 
tion shall be used to pay the salary of any member of the United 
States Tariff Commission who shall hereafter participate in any 
proceedings under sections 336, 337, and 338 of the Tariff Act of 
1930, wherein he or any member of his family has any special, 
direct, and pecuniary interest, or in which he has acted as attorney 
or special representative . 
For all printing and binding for the Tariff Commission, $15,000 . 
Total, Tariff Commission, $800,000 . 
UNITED 
STATES 
GEOGRAPHIC 
BOARD 
Post, p . 1027 
. 
Living quarters . 
Vol.46,p. 818. 
U .S.C., 
Supp . 
p. 20. 
Provisos . 
Supplies and services . 
R.S.,sec.3709, p.733. 
U.S.C.,p. 1309. 
Salary restriction 
. 
Vol. 46, p. 701 . 
Printing and bind . 
ing 
. 
Post, p. 1027 . 
For salaries and expenses of the United States Geographic Board, 
ses Salaries 
including personal services in the District of Columbia, and for 
stati onery and office s upplies, $7,700 . 
For printing and binding, $1,300 . 
Total, United States Geographic Board, $9,000 . 
the Dis- 
VI. 
United States Geo- 
graphic Board . 
and expen- 
Printing 
and 
binding .&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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SESS. II. 
CH. 38. 
MARCH 2, 1934 . 
Colorado : 
Consolidated Ute (Southern Ute, $15,000 ; Ute Moun- 
tain, $15,000) ; in all, $30,000 ; 
Idaho : Fort Hall, 
$9,285 ; 
Iowa : 
Sac and Fox, $2,000 ; 
Minnesota : Red Lake, 
$39,405 ; 
Consolidated Chippewa, $5,000, 
to be used for establishing a system of cooperative marketing for 
Indian crops, including wild rice, berries, fish, and furs ; in all, 
$44,405 ; 
Montana : Blackfeet, $2,500 ; Flathead, $10,000 ; in all, 
$12,500 ; 
North Carolina : Cherokee, $8,000 ; 
Oregon : 
Klamath, 
$46,550 ; 
South Dakota : Cheyenne River, $69,235 ; 
Washington : Puyallup, $1,000 for upkeep of the Puyallup Indian 
cemetery ; Taholah (Quinaielt), $1,000 ; in all, $2,000 ; 
Wi scon sin : Ke sh en a, $56,310, inclu ding $ 10,000 for m onthly allow - 
ances, under such rules and regulations as the Secretary of the 
Interior may prescribe, to such old and indigent members of the 
Menominee Tribe as it is impracticable to place in the home for old 
and indigent Menominee Indians, and who reside with relatives or 
friends ; 
In all, not to exceed $3 56,8 35 . 
Support of Chippewa Indians in Minnesota (tribal funds) : For 
general suppo rt, ad minist ration of pr operty, and p romoti on of self- 
support among the Chippewa Indians in the State of Minnesota, 
$71,100, to be paid from the principal sum on deposit to the credit 
of said Indians, arising under section 7 of the Act entitled 
&quot;An 
Act for the relief and civilization of the Chippewa Indians in the 
State of Minnesota &quot;, approved January 14, 1889 (25 Stat., p . 
64 5) 
Prov ided , That 
not to exceed $30,000 of the foregoing amount may 
be expended in the discretion of the Secretary of the Interior, in 
aiding indigent Chippewa Indians upon the condition that any 
funds used in support of a member of the tribe shall be reimbursed 
out of and become a lien against any individual property of which 
such member may now or hereafter become seized or possessed, the 
two preceding requirements not to apply to any old, infirm, or indi- 
gent Indi an, in th e discret ion of th e Secreta ry of the Interior . 
Expenses of tribal officers, Five Civilized Tribes, Oklahoma 
tribal funds) : For the current fiscal year money may be expended 
from the tribal funds of the Choctaw, Chickasaw, Creek, and Semi- 
nole Tribes for equalization of allotments, per capita, and other 
payments authorized by law to individual members of the respective 
tribes, salaries and continent expenses of the governor of the 
Chickasaw Nation and chief of the Choctaw Nation and one mining 
trustee for the Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations at salaries at the 
rate heretofore paid for the said governor and said chief and $4,000 
for the said mining trustee, and one attorney each for the Choctaw 
and Chickasaw Tribes employed under contract approved by the 
Presi dent under exi sting law : 
Provided, 
That the expenses of the 
above-named officials shall be determined and limited by the 
Commissioner of Indian Affairs, not to exceed $2,500 each . 
There is hereby authorized to be expended, out of any money now 
standing to the credit of the Seminole Nation of Indians in the 
Treasury of the United States, the sum of not exceeding $5,000 to 
be paid, in the discretion of the Secretary of the Interior, to attor- 
neys fo r said Semin ole Na tion o f Indi ans emp loyed under the au thor- 
ity of the Act of Congress approved May 
20, 1924 (43 Stat ., 
pp . 133- 
134), 
the payments to be made in such sums as may be necessary 
to reimburse the attorneys for such proper and necessary expenses 
as may have been incurred or niay be incurred in the investigation 
Colorado . 
Montana . 
Nor th Carolina . 
Oregon. 
S outh 
Dako ta 
Washington . 
377 
Id aho. 
Iowa 
. 
M innes ota . 
C ooper ativ e ma rket 
system . 
Wis con sin . 
M onthl y al Iowa nces 
to old, etc , 
Menomi- 
nees, from tribal funds . 
Chippewas in Minne- 
sota. 
General support, etc . 
Vol.25, p.us. 
Proviso. 
Aiding indigent . 
Five Civilized Tribes, 
expenses, etc 
., 
tribal 
off icers_ 
Proviso. 
Limitation . 
Seminoles, Okla . 
Attorneys, expenses . 
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73d C ONGRESS . 
SESS. II. 
CH. 70. 
MARCH 
15, 
1934 . 
Rai lway 
Mail Serv- 
ice . 
Divisi on 
superin - 
tendents. 
Travel allowance to 
clerks. 
Exp enses 
away from 
headquart ers . 
Miscellan eous . 
Arms for mail protec- 
tion. 
Terminal offices, rent . 
Electric 
and 
cable 
car service . 
Foreign mails . 
Vol 
. 41, p. 988; Vol. 
45, p. 689. 
U.S.C., p.1537; Supp. 
VII, p. 964 . 
Provisos. 
Payment to Seatrain 
Company 
forbidden 
. 
Aircraft allowances 
; 
contract restrictions 
. 
Sea post service. 
Ass ist ant 
Director, 
Internationa l 
Postal 
Service . 
Balances due foreign 
countries . 
Travel, etc 
. 
Aircraft contract, in- 
land service . 
Indemnity, lost in- 
ternational mail . 
Railway M ail Servic e : 
For fifteen division superintendents, 
fifteen assistant division superintendents, two assistant superintend- 
ents at large, one assistant superintendent in charge of car construc- 
tion, one hundred and twenty-one chief clerks, one hundred and 
twenty-one assistant chief clerks, clerks in charge of sections in the 
offices of division superintendents, railway postal clerks, substitute 
railway postal clerks, joint employees, and laborers in the Railway 
Mail Service, $47,200,000 . 
For travel allowance to railway postal clerks and substitute rail- 
way postal clerk s, $2, 350,00 0 . 
For actual and necessary expenses, general superintendent and 
assistant general superintendent, division superintendents, assistant 
division superintendents, assistant superintendents, chief clerks, and 
ass istan t ch ief c lerks , Ra ilway Mail Ser vice, and railw ay p ostal 
clerk s, while actually traveling on busin ess of t he Post O ffice Dep art- 
ment and away from their several designated headquarters, $60,000 . 
For rent, light, heat, fuel, telegraph, miscellaneous and office 
expenses, telephone service, badges for railway postal clerks, for the 
purch ase or renta l of a rms an d misc ellaneo us ite ms nec essary for t he 
protection of the mails, and rental of space for terminal railway 
post offices for the distribution of mails when the furnishing of space 
for such distribution cannot, under the Postal Laws and Regula- 
tions, properly be required of railroad companies without addi- 
tional compensation, and for equipment and miscellaneous items 
necessary to terminal railway post offices, $775,000 . 
For electric and cable car service, $375,000 . 
For t ransp ortat ion of fo reign mai ls by stea mship , ai rcraf t, or 
otherwise, including the cast of advertising in connection with the 
award „ of contracts authorized by the Merchant Marine Act of 1928 
(U.S .C ., title 46, sees . 861-889 ; Supp . VI, title 46, sees . 886-891x), 
$37,500,000 : Provided, That no part of the money herein appropri- 
ated shall be paid on contract numbered 56 to the Seatrain Com- 
pany : Provided further, 
That not to exceed $7,000,000 of this sum 
may be expended for carrying foreign mail by aircraft under con- 
tract s whic h will not c reate obliga tions f or the fisca l year 1936 in 
excess o f $7,000, 000 : 
Provided further, That the Postmaster General 
is aut horize d to e xpend such s ums as may be neces sary, not to excee d 
$250,000, to cover the cost to the United States for maintaining 
sea-post service on ocean steamships conveying the mails to and 
from the United States including the salary of the Assistant Direc- 
tor, Division of International Postal Service, with headquarters at 
New York City . 
For balances due foreign countries, $1,000,000 . 
For travel and miscellaneous expenses in the Postal Service, office 
of the Second Assistant Postmaster General, $1,000 . 
For the inland transportation of mail by aircraft, as authorized 
by law, and f or the incidental expenses thereof, including not to 
exceed $ 17,760 fo r supervi sory offi cials an d clerks at air ma il transf er 
points, and not t o exceed $34,967 f or perso nal servi ces in th e Distric t 
of Col umbia and in cident al and trave l expen ses, $ 12,000 ,000 . 
For payment of limited indemnity for the injury or loss of inter- 
national mail in accordance with convention, treaty, or agreement 
stipulati ons, $15, 000 . 
Third Assistant Post- 
	 
OFFICE 
OF 
THE 
THIRD 
ASSISTANT 
POSTMASTER 
GENERAL 
master General . 
Stamps, stamped en- 
velops, postal cards, 
For manufacture of adhesive postage stamps, special-delivery 
etc . 
	 
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73d 
C ONGRESS . 
SESS. II . 
CH. 70. 
MARCH 
15, 
1934 . 
Equipment 
shops, 
Equipment Shops, Washington, District of Columbia : For 
the 
materrals, etc' 
manufacture, and repair of mail bags and other mail con- 
t 
pur chas e, 
iners ad attachments, mail locks, keys, chains, tools, machinery, 
and material necessary for same, and for incidental expenses per- 
taining thereto ; material, machinery, and tools necessary 
for the 
manufacture and repair of such other equipment for the 
Postal 
Service as may be deemed expedient ; for the expenses of mainte- 
nance and repair of the mail bag equipment shops building 
and 
equipment, including fuel, light, power, and miscellaneous supplies 
and services ; for compensation to labor employed in the equipment 
shops and in the operation, care, maintenance, and protection of the 
services in the Dis- 
equipment shops building, $804,500, of which not to exceed $499,500 
trict . 
	 
may be expended for personal services in the District of Columbia 
Proviso . 
	 
Provided, That out of this appropriation the Postmaster General is 
Distfor 
departments, 
equip- 
meat for 
authorized to use as much of the sum, not exceeding $15,000, as may 
Ala ska , 
and 
island 
be deemed necessary for the purchase of material and the manufac- 
possessions . 
	 
ture in the equipment shops of such small quantities of distinctive 
equipments as may be required by other executive departments ; and 
for service in Alaska, Puerto Rico, Philippine Islands, Hawaii, 
or 
other island possessions . 
Bent, light, etc ., first , 
	 
For rent, light, fuel, and water, for first, second, and third class 
offices 
. and third class 
post offices, and the cost of advertising for lease proposals for such 
offices, $14,5 00,000 . 
Pneumatic 
tubes, 
For the transmission of mail by pneumatic tubes or other similar 
Now 
Yo rk 
city. 
devices in the city of New York, including the Borough of Brooklyn 
of the city of New York, at an annual rate not in excess of $19,500 
per mi le of d ouble line of tubes, inclu ding po wer, la bor, a nd all other 
operating expenses, $524,000 . 
Bosto n, M ass. 
	 
For the rental of not exceeding two miles of pneumatic tubes, not 
including labor and power in operating the same, for the transmis- 
Provisions 
appllca- 
sion of mail in the city of Boston, Massachusetts, $24,000 : Provided, 
e. 
	 
That the provisions not inconsistent herewith of the Acts of April 
Vol 
.32,p.114; Vol. 
35 ,p 
.412 . 
	 
21, 1902 
(U .S .C ., title 39, sec . 423), and May 27, 1908 
(U .S .C ., title 
us.C., p.126o 
. 
39, sec. 423), relating to the transmission of mail by pneumatic tubes 
or other similar devices shall be applicable hereto, 
Vehic le al Iowa nce f or 
For vehicle service ; the hire of vehicles ; the rental of 
garage 
delivery, collection, etc . 
facilities ; the purchase, exchange, and maintenance of motor vehicles 
; 
the hire of supervisors, clerical assistance, mechanics, drivers, garage- 
men, and such other employees as may be necessary in providing 
vehicles and vehicle service for use in the collection, transportation, 
Provisos- 
	 
and delivery of the mail, $13,325,000 : Provided, That the Postmaster 
Garage rental 
. 
General may, in his disbursement of this appropriation, 
apply a 
part thereof to the leasing of quarters for the housing of Govern- 
ment-owned motor vehicles at a reasonable annual rental for a term 
Tractors and trailer 
not exceeding ten years : Provided further, That the Postmaster Gen- 
tru cks . 
eral, during the fiscal year 1935, may purchase and maintain from the 
appropriation &quot;Vehicle service&quot; such tractors and trailer trucks as 
may be required in the operation of the vehicle service : Provided f ur- 
l kioto r-ve hicle 
re- 
ther , That no part of this app ropr iati on s hall be expe nded for mai n- 
striction. 
tenance or repair of motor-propelled passenger-carrying vehicles for 
use in connection with the administrative work of the Post Office 
Department in the District of Columbia . 
of equipment . 
etc ., 
For the transportation and delivery of equipment, materials, and 
suppli es for the P ost O ffice Depart ment a nd Po stal 
Se rvice by 
freight, expre ss, or motor transportatio n, 
and other incidental 
expenses, $344,100 . 
Tra vel, etc . 
	 
	 
For travel and miscellaneous expenses in the Postal Service, office 
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C ONGRESS . 
SESS . 
II. 
CH. 
277. 
MAY 
10, 
1934. 
SEC. 215. 
CREDITS 
AGAINST 
TAX . 
A 
nonresident 
alien 
individual 
shall 
not 
be 
allowed 
the 
credits 
against the tax for taxes of foreign countries and possessions of the 
United States a llowed b y sectio n 131 . 
SEC. 216. 
RETURNS. 
In the case of a nonresident alien individual the return, in lieu of 
the time prescribed in section 53(a) (1), shall 
be 
made 
on 
or before 
the fifteenth day of the sixth month following the close of the fiscal 
year, or, if the return is made on the basis of the calendar year, then 
on or before the fifteenth day of June . 
SEC. 217. 
PA YME NT 
OF 
TAX . 
(a) 
TIME 
OF PAYMENT :In 
the case of a nonresident alien indi- 
vidual the total amount of tax imposed by this title shall be paid, 
in lieu of the time prescribed in section 56(a), on the fifteenth day 
of June following the close of the calendar year, or, if the return 
should be made on the basis of a fiscal year, then on the fifteenth 
day of t he sixth month f ollowing the clo se of the fiscal year . 
(b) 
WITHHO LDING 
AT 
S OURCE .-Fo r wit hholdi ng at 
sour ce of 
tax 
on income of nonresident aliens, see section 143 . 
Supplement 
I-Foreign 
Corporations 
SEC. 231 . 
GROSS 
INCOME . 
(a) 
GENERAL 
RULE .-In 
the 
case 
of 
a 
foreign 
corporation 
gross 
incom e 
in clud es 
o nly 
the 
gros s 
in come 
fro m 
s ourc es 
within 
the 
United 
Stat es . 
(b) 
Snn's 
UNDER 
FO REIG N 
FLAG.-The 
i ncome 
of 
a 
f oreign 
corporation, which consists exclusively of earnings derived from the 
operation of a ship or ships documented under the laws of a foreign 
cou nt ry 
wh ich 
grants 
an 
equivalent exemption to 
cit iz ens 
of 
the 
United 
States 
and 
to 
corporations 
organized 
in 
the 
United 
States, 
shall 
not 
be 
included 
in 
gross 
income 
and 
shall 
be 
exempt 
from 
taxa tion un der this ti tle . 
SEC. 232 . 
DED UCTION S . 
In the case of a foreign corporation the deductions shall be allowed 
only if and to the extent that 
they are 
connected with income from 
sou rc es 
within the 
United 
States ; 
and 
the 
prop er 
apportionment 
and allocation of the deductions with respect to sources within and 
without the United States shall be determined as provided in section 
11 9, 
under 
rules 
and 
regulations 
prescribed 
by 
the 
Commissioner 
with the approval of the Secretary . 
SEC. 233. 
ALLOWANCE 
OF 
DEDUCTIONS 
AND 
CRED ITS . 
A foreign corporation shall receive the benefit of the deductions 
and credits allowed to it in this title only by filing or causing to 
be filed with the collector a true and accurate return of its total 
income received from all sources in the United States, in the manner 
prescribed in this title ; including therein all the information which 
the 
Commissioner 
may 
deem 
necessary 
for 
the 
calculation 
of 
su ch 
deductio ns and c redits . 
SEC. 234. 
CREDITS 
AGAINST 
TAX . 
Foreign corporations shall not be allowed the credits against the 
tax 
for 
taxes 
of 
foreign 
countries and 
possessions 
of 
the 
United 
States allowed by section 131 . 
86637'-24-47 
Returns . 
Time for filing 
. 
Ant e, 
p 
. 097. 
Payment of tax. 
Time d esigna ted . 
Ante, p 
. 697. 
W ithh old ing at 
source . 
A nte, 
P. 
723 . 
FOREIGN 
COR- 
PORATIONS . 
Gross income . 
Un ited Stat es source s 
o nly 
. 
Ships under foreign 
flag, conditions. 
Deducti ons . 
Allowed only on in- 
come from United 
St ates sour ces . 
A ppor tionm ent . 
Ante, p . 716. 
737 
INCOME TAX. 
NON RES ID ENT 
ALIEN 
INDIVID- 
UALS -Con td . 
Credits against tax . 
No all owance for, of 
foreign governments . 
Ante, p . 718. 
Allowance of deduc- 
tions and credits . 
Benefit of, only by 
filing return of all in- 
come from United 
States sources. 
Credits against tax . 
No 
allowance f or, of 
foreign governments 
Ante, p 
. 718.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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73d 
C ONGRESS . 
SESS . 
II. 
CH. 
277 . 
MAY 
10, 
1934. 
INCOME 
TAR . 
CLAIMS 
AGAINST 
TRANSFEREES 
AND 
FIDUCIA- 
RIES-Contd . 
Fiduciary 
relation- 
ship. 
Liability of fiduciary 
until termination of . 
Fiduciary of trans- 
feree, liability . 
Manner of notice . 
OVERPAY 
. 
MENTS . 
Of installments . 
	 
SEC. 321 . 
OVERPAYMENT 
OF 
INSTALLMENT . 
Credit, if installment 
pay ment excee ds co r- 
If the taxpayer has paid 
as an installment 
of 
the 
tax 
more 
than 
rect amount. 
	 
the amount determined to be the correct amount of such installment, 
the overpayment shall be credited against the unpaid installments, 
Credit or refund for 
if any. If 
the amount already paid, whether or not 
on the basis of 
amount already paid . 
, 
	 
y 
h 
	 
e 
installments, exceeds the amount determined to be the correct amount 
of the tax, the overpayment shall be credited or refunded as provided 
in sec tion 322 . 
Refunds and credits . 
Credit against 
tax 
then due . 
Limitation on allow- 
ance. 
Period of. 
Credit or refund lim- 
ited . 
Petition to Board of 
Tax Appeals ; effect of. 
Ante, p .741 
SEC. 312. 
NOTICE 
OF 
FIDUCIARY RELATIONSHIP. 
(a) 
FIDUCIARY 
OF 
TAXPAYER .-Upon 
notice 
to 
the 
Commissioner 
that any person is acting in a fiduciary capacity such fiduciary shall 
assume the powers, rights, duties, and privileges of the taxpayer in 
respect of a tax imposed by this title (except as otherwise specifically 
provided and except that the tax shall be collected from the estate 
of the taxpayer), until notice is given that the fiduciary capacity 
has terminated . 
(b) 
FIDUC IARY OF 
TRANSFEREE.-Upon 
notice to the 
Commissioner 
that any person is acting in a fiduciary capacity for a person sub- 
ject to the liability specified in section 311, the fiduciary shall assume, 
on behalf o f such p erson, t he power s, right s, dutie s, and p rivilege s 
of such person under such section (except that the liability shall be 
collected from the estate of such person), until notice is given that 
the fiduciary capacity has terminated . 
(c) 
MANNER OF NoTIcE.-Notice under subsection (a) or (b) shall 
be 
given 
in 
accordance 
with regulations 
prescribed 
by 
the 
Commis- 
sio ner with the app roval of the Sec retary . 
Sup plemen t 
O--O verpay ments 
SEC. 322 . 
REFUNDS 
AND 
CREDITS . 
(a) 
AuTaoRIZATION 
.-Where 
there 
has 
been 
an 
overpayment 
of 
any tax imposed by this title, the amount of such overpayment shall 
be credited against any income, war-profits, or 
excess-profits tax 
or installment thereof then 
due from 
the taxpayer, and any balance 
shall be refunded immediately 
to the taxpayer . 
(b) 
LIMITATION 
ON 
ALLOWANCE .- 
(1) 
PERIOD OF LIMITATION .-Unless a claim 
for credit 
or refund 
is filed by the taxpayer within three years from the time the return 
was 
filed 
by 
the 
taxpayer 
or 
within 
two 
years 
from 
the 
time 
the 
tax was paid, no credit or 
refund shall be allowed or made after 
the 
expiration 
of 
whichever 
of 
su ch 
pe ri ods 
expires the 
later 
. 
If no return is filed by the taxpayer, then no credit or refund shall 
be allowed or made after two years from the time the tax was paid, 
unless before the expiration o f such period a claim therefor i s filed 
by the 
taxp ayer . 
(2) 
LIMIT ON 
AMOUNT OF CREDIT OR REFUND.-The 
amount 
of 
the 
credit or refund shall not exceed the portion of the tax paid during 
the thre e years immediat ely prece ding the filing of the c laim, or , 
if no 
claim 
was 
filed, 
then 
duri ng the 
thre e yea rs imm ediat ely 
precedin g the allowance of the cr edit or refund . 
(c) 
EFF Ear 
OF 
PET ITION 
To 
BoARD .-If 
the 
Commissioner 
has 
mailed to the 
taxpayer a 
notice of deficiency under section 272(a) 
and if the taxpayer files a petition with the Board of Tax Appeals 
within the time prescribed in such subsection, no credit or refund 
in respect of the tax for the 
taxable year in respect of which the 
Commissioner 
has 
determined 
the 
deficiency 
shall 
be 
allowed 
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CONGRESS .
SESS. I.
CH. 54.
APR IL
9,
1935 .
	
141
for travel of dependents, and packing and transportation of baggage
of such personnel ; for expenses incident to the use, including upkeep
p
mai ntenance
of
sup-
and d epreci ation costs, of su pplies , equi pment, and m aterie l fur-
nished in accordance with law from stocks under the control of the
War Depar tment, excep t that not t o exce ed $84 5,725 of thi s appr o-
priation shall be available for expenditure by the Chief of the Air
Corps for the production and purchase of new airplanes and their
plaa
chase,
etc., air-
equipment, spare parts, and accessories ; for transportation of bag-
ti
Ba gg age
transporta-
gage, including packing and crating, of reserve officers ordered to
active duty for not less than six months ; for the medical and hospital
tre
M
atd ic
lan d
hospital
treatment
of
members of the Officers'
Reserve Corps and of the
Enlisted Reserve Corps, who suffer
personal injury
or
contract
disease in line of duty, as provided by the Act of April 26, 1928
Vol.45,p.461.
(U . S . C., Supp . VII, title 10, sets . 451, 455), and for such other
U.
S.C.,p.252.
purposes in connection therewith as are authorized by the said Act,
including pay and allowances, subsistence, transportation, and burial
re-
expenses ; in all, $6,372,178 ; and no part of such total sum shall be
sucti ons .
training
re-
available for any expense incident to giving flight training to any
office r of the Officer s' Reser ve Corps unless he shal l be fou nd physi -
cally and professionally qualified to perform aviation service as an
aviation pilot, by such agency as the Secretary of War may desig-
nate : Provided,
That n ot to exceed $100, 000 of this approp riatio n
Prov i
s
o.
Divisional
headquar-
may be used for establishment and maintenance of divisional and
tern, etc.
reg imenta l head quarte rs .
None of the funds appropriated elsewhere in this Act, except for
otherstands
.n
on
use
of
printing and binding, field exercises, and for pay and allowances of
officers and enlisted men of the Regular Army, and for mileage, reim-
bu rsemen t of a ctual travel ing ex penses , or p er die m allo wances in
lieu thereof, as authorized by law, to Air Corps reserve officers on
extended active duty, shall be used for expenses in connection with
Use of a vailable sup-
the Organized Reserves, but available supplies and existing facilities
p
lies .
a t mili tary pos ts shall be util ized to the full est ext ent poss ible .
No appropriation made in this Act shall be available for pay,
drawing
pens
on,
officer
allowances , or tra veling o r other expenses of any officer of the Organ-
ize d Rese rves w ho may be dr awing a pens ion, d isabil ity allowanc e,
disability compensation, or retired pay from the Government of the
United States : Provided, That nothing in this provision shall be so
provisions
waived
if
con strued as to preve nt the appli cation of fu nds he rein c ontain ed
pension
surrendered.
to the pay, allowances, or traveling expenses of any officer or enlisted
man of the Reserve Corps who may surrender said pension, disability
all owance , disa bility compe nsatio n, or retire d pay for th e peri od
of his active duty in the Reserve Corps .
No appropriation made in this Act shall be expended for the pay
Reserve
officer
on
of a reserve officer on active duty for a longer period than fifteen
active
duty;
pay re-
days, except such as may be detailed for duty with the War Depart-
ment General Staff under section 3a and section 5 (b) of the Army
General
	
estall
detail.
763 .
Reorganization
Act
approved June
4,
1920
(U. S. C., title 10, sees.
U.
S.C., pp. 231, 232.
26, 37), or who may be detailed for courses of instruction at the
ge neral or special service schools of the Army, or who ma y be det ailed
for duty as instructors at civilian military training camps, appro-
Other
details .
priated for in this Act, or who may be detailed for duty with tactical
units of the Air Corps, as provided in section 37a of the Army Reor-
Air
corps.
ganization Act approved June 4, 1920 (U . S . C ., title 10, sec . 369) : c ., p. 49.p
77s; U. S.
Provided, That the pay and allowances of such additional officers and
Provis o .
nurses of the Medical Reserve Corps as are required to supplement
Cor ps
dM edical
Veter ans'
the like officers and nurses of the Regular Army in the care of bene- Administration
ficiaries of the United States Veterans' Administration treated in
p
tals
.ts
in
Army
hos-
Army hos pitals may be paid from the fu nds allotted to the War
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CONGRESS . SESS . I .
CHS. 115, 131. MAY 15, 17, 1935.
[CHAPTER
115 .]
AN
ACT
To
give
proper
recognition
to
the
distinguished
services
of
Colonel
William
L.
Keller .
Be it enacted by the Senate and House o f Representatives o f the
United States o f America in Congress assembled,
That in recognition
of the outstanding service and contribution made to the science of
medicine and surgery by Colonel William L . Keller, Medical Corps,
United States Army, and to provide that his mature professional
judgment and long experience may continue to remain available to
the public service, the President is hereby authorized to designate
the said Colonel William L . Keller, upon his retirement from the
active list, as Consultant in Surgery at the United States Army
Medical Center (Walter Reed Hospital), Washington, District of
Columbia : Provided, That such designation shall be subject to the
said Colonel William L . Keller's acceptance and terminable at his
pleasure ; and it is further provided that he shall be entitled to the
full active-duty pay and allowances of the grade held by him at the
time of his ret irement .
Approved, May 15, 1935 .
[CHAPTER
131 .]
AN
ACT
Making
appropriations
for
the
Department
of
Agriculture
and
for
the
Farm
Credit Administration
for
the fiscal
year ending
June 30, 1936,
and
for
other
purposes .
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,
That the fol lowing
sums are appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury not other-
wise appropriated, for the Department of Agriculture and for the
Farm Credit Administration for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1936,
namely ;
TITLE
I-DEPARTMENT
OF
AGRICULTURE
OFFICE OF
THE SECRETARY
SALARIES
For the Secretary of Agriculture, Under Secretary of Agriculture,
Assistant Secretary, and for other personal services in the District
of Columbia, and elsewhere, $584,712 : Provided, That in expending
appropriations or portions of appropriations contained in this Act
for the payment for personal servi ces in the Dis trict of Columb ia
in accordance with the Classification Act of 1923, as amended, with
the exception of the Assistant Secretary, the average of the salaries
of the total number of persons under any grade in any bureau, office,
or other appropriation unit shall not at any time exceed the average
of the compensation rates specified for the grade by such Act as
amen ded and in grad es in which onl y one position is allocated t he
salary of such position shall not exceed the average of the compensa-
tion rates for the grade, except that in unusually meritorious cases
of one position in a grade advances may be made to rates higher
than the average of the compensation rates of the grade but not
more often than once in any fiscal year and then only to the next
hi her rate : Provided further, That this restriction shall not apply
(1) to grades 1, 2, 3 ; and 4 of the clerical-mechanical service, or (2)
to require the reduction in salary of any person whose compensation
May
15,
1935 .
[S. 2024.]
[Public,
No.61.]
247
Colonel
William
L.
Keller .
May
be
designated
Consultant
in
Surgery
at
Walter
Reed
Hospi-
tal .
Proviso .
Optional
acceptance .
Pay
and
allowances .
May
17,
1935.
[H. R. 6718.1
[Public, No
.62
.]
Department
of
Agri-
cu ltur e,
Far m
Credit
Administration
appro-
priation s, fiscal year,
1936 .
Tit le
I-Department
of
Agriculture .
Secretary's office .
Secretary, Under
Sec-
retary,
Assistant, and
other
personal
services .
Provisos .
Salaries
limited
to
average
rates
under
Classification Act .
Vol. 42, p. 1488; Vol.
&quot;6,p-
776 ;
Vol.46,p.
U.S.C.,p.85.
When
only
one
posi-
tion in grade
.
Restriction not appli-
cable
to
clerical-me-
chanical service .
No
reduction
in
fixed
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CONGRESS .
SESS .
I.
CH.
291 .
JUNE
24, 1935 .
	
403
$70,000, of which $8,000 shall be available immediately
: Provided,
That the sum to be
paid out of
this appropriation
for employees
assigned
to group IV
(b)
and those
performing
similar
services
carried under n ative an d alien schedul es in t he Sched ule of Wages
for Civil Employees in the Field Service of the Navy Department
shall not exceed $27,400 .
NAVAL
RESERVE
	
Naval Re serve .
For expenses of organizing, administering,
and recruiting the
Naval Reserve and Naval Militia ; pay and allowances of officers and
enlist ed men
of the Naval Reserve
when e mploy ed on
autho rized
training duty ; mileage for officers while traveling
under orders
to
and
from
training duty ; transportation of enlisted men to and
from training duty, and subsistence and transfers en route, or cash
in lieu thereof ; subsistence of enlisted men during the actual period
of training duty ; subsistence of officers and enlisted men of the Fleet
Naval Reserve while performing authorized training or other duty
without pay ; pay, mileage, and allowances of
officers of the Naval
Reserve and pay, allowances, subsistence and transportation
with
subsistence and transfe rs en route , or cash i n lieu there of of enlis ted
men
of
the Naval Reserve
wh en
ordered to active duty
in
co n-
nection with the instruction, training, and drilling of
the
Na val
Reserve ; pay of officers and enlisted men of the Fleet Naval Reserve
for the performance of not to exceed forty-eight drills per annum or
other equivalent instruction or duty, or appropriate
duties, and
administrati ve duties, exclusive, however, of pay, allowa nces, or ot her
expenses on account of members of any class of the Naval Reserve
incident to their being given flight training unless, as a condition
precedent, they shall have been found by such agency as the Secretary
of the Navy ma y desig nate phy sically and psy chologi cally q ualified
to serve as pilots of naval aircraft, $7,352,825, of which
amount
$122,306 shall be available immediately ; not more than $150,000 shall
be available for maintenance and rental of armories, including pay
of
necessary janitors,
and for wharfage ;
not
more
th an
$81,000
shall be available for employees assigned to group IV (b) and those
performing similar services carried under native and alien schedules
in the Schedule of Wages for Civil Employees in the Field Service
of the Navy Department ; not less than $3,277,945 shall be available,
in addition to other appropriations, for aviation material,
equip-
ment, fuel, and rental of hangars, and not more than $397,914 shall
be available, in addition to other appropriations, for fuel and the
transportation thereof, and for all other expenses in connection with
the maintenance, operation, repair, and upkeep of vessels assigned for
training the Naval Reserve, and of such total sum $5,062,396 shall be
availabl e exclu sively f or and on accou nt of N aval and Marine Corps
Reserve aviation : Provided, That no appropriation contained in this
Act shall be available to pay more than nineteen officers of the Naval
Reserve and one officer of the Marine Corps Reserve above the grade
of lieute nant or cap tain, respe ctively, the pay and allowances of their
grade for the performance of active duty other than the performance
of drills or other equivalent instruction or duty, or appropriate duties,
and the performance of fifteen days' active training duty, and other
officers above such grades employed on such class of active duty
(not to e xceed four months in any calendar
year)
shall not be
entitled to be paid a
gr eater
rate
of pay and
allowa nces
than
authorized
by
law for
a
lieutenant of
the Navy
or
a captain of
the Marine Corps entitled to not exceeding ten years' longevity pay
Provided further,
That
no
appropriation
made
in
this Act
shall
be available for pay, allowances, or traveling or other expenses of
Pr oviso .
Group IV (b) em-
plo yees .
Organizing, recruit-
ing,
etc .,
of,
and
Militia
.
Ante,p.157.
Fleet Naval Reserve .
Subsistence, etc .
Pay, mile age, etc .
Flight training .
Armories, wharfage,
etc .
Group
IV
(b)
em.
p loy ees.
Aviation
material,
hangars, etc .
Prerisos.
Reserve officers per-
forming active duty .
Limitation .
Pay, allowances, etc.,
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74TH
CONGRESS . SESS . I .
CH. 824 . AUGUST 30, 1935 .
2 . The adjustment of claims with purchasers of coal in such man-
ner as to grant secret allowances, secret rebates, or secret conces-
sion s, or other price discrim inatio n .
3. The prepayment of freight charges with intent to or having
the effect of granting a discriminatory credit allowance .
4. The granting in any form of adjustments, allowances, dis-
counts, credits, or refunds to purchasers or sellers of coal, for the
purposes or with the effect of altering retroactively a price previously
agreed u pon, in such ma nner as to cre ate price discr imination .
5 . The predating or postdating of any invoice or contract for the
purchase or sale of coal, except to conform to a bona fide agreement
for the purchase or sale entered into on the predate .
6 . The payment or allowance in any form or by any device of
rebates, refunds, credits, or unearned discounts, or the extension to
certain purchasers of services or privileges not extended to all pur-
chasers under like terms and conditions, or under similar circum-
stances .
7. The attempt to purchase business, or to obtain information
concerning a competitor's business by concession, gifts, or bribes .
8 . The intentional misrepresentation of any analysis or of analy-
ses, or of sizes , or t he inte ntiona l maki ng, ca using, or per mittin g to
be made, or publishing, of any false, untrue, misleading, or deceptive
statement by way of advertising, invoicing, or otherwise concerning
the size, quality, character, nature, preparation, or origin of any
coal bought, sold, or consigned .
9 . The unauthorized use, whether in written or oral form, of trade
marks, t rade names, slo gans, or adver tising matter a lready adopted
by a competitor, or any deceptive approximation thereof .
10. Inducing or attempting to induce, by any means or device
wh atsoev er, a b reach of cont ract b etween a comp etitor and h is
customer during the ter m of such cont ract .
11 . Splitting or dividing commissions, broker's fees, or brokerage
discount s, or otherwise in any manner directly or in directly using
brokerage commissions or jobbers' arrangements or sales agencies
for maki ng discounts, a llowances, or rebates, or pri ces other than
those determined under this Act, to any industrial consumer or to
any retailers, or to others, whether of a like or different class .
12. Selling to, or through, any broker, jobber, commission account,
or sales agency, which is in fact or in effect an agency or
an instrumentality of a retailer or an industrial consumer or Of
an organ ization of reta ilers or indus trial consumers , whereby they
or any of them secure either directly or indirectly a discount, divi-
dend, allowance, or reb ates, or a pri ce other than t hat determined
in the m anner prescribe d by this Act .
13. Violations of the provisions of the code .
It shall not be an unfair method of competition or a violation of
sales
to f armer's co-
the code or any requirement uirement of this Act
	
to sell to or through
operati ve org anizat ion .
	
y
	
(1)
any bona fide and legitimate farmer's cooperative organization duly
organize d under the law s of any State , Territory, th e District of
Columbia, or the United States whether or not such organization
gran ts reb ates, discou nts, pa tronag e divi dends, or ot her sim ilar b ene-
fits to its members , (2) to sell t hrough any int ervening agency to
any such cooperative organization, or (3) to pay or allow to any
such cooperative organization or to any such intervening agency
any discount, commission, rebate, or dividend ordinarily paid or
allowed, or permitted b y the code to be paid or allo wed, to other
purchasers for purchases
in wholesale or middleman quantities .
Secret allowances,
re-
bates, and concessions .
Prepayment
of
f reig ht
cha rges
wh en
resulting
in
discriminar
to&quot;
credit
allowance .
Granting
allowances
whic h alter prices p re-
viously
agreed
upon .
Preda ting o r postd at-
ing
invoices
.
Discrim inatory
pa y-
ments
to
certain
pur-
ch asers .
Commerc ial
briber y .
Misrepresentation
of
quality,
etc .,
of
prod-
ucts .
Unaut horized
use
of
competitor's
trad e
names,
etc .
Inducing
breach
of
comp etitor's contrac ts
.
Splitting
commi s-
sions, etc.
Selling to agent of re-
tail er, industrial c on-
sumer,
etc .
Co de
violations.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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SESS. II.
CH. 404.
MAY
15,
1936 .
	
1301
455), and for such other purposes in connection therewith as are
authoriz ed by th e said A ct, incl uding pa y and allowances , subsis t-
ence, transportation, and burial expenses ; in all, $8,574,195 ; and no
Flig ht
trainin g
part o f such t otal sum shall b e availa ble for any expe nse inci dent
s triotions .
t o giving flight training to any officer of the Officers' Reserve Corps
unless lie shall be found physically and professionally qualified to
perform aviation service as an aviation pilot, by such agency as the
Secretary
of
War
may
designate :
Provided,
That not
to
exceed
$100,000
of
this appropriation may
be
us ed
for establishment and
maintenance of divisional and regimental headquarters .
N one of t he funds appropr iated el sewhere in this Act, exc ept for
printing and binding, field exercises, and for pay and allowances
of offic ers and enlisted men of the Regu lar Army , and fo r mileag e,
reimburs ement of actual travelin g expens es, or p er diem allowanc es
in lieu thereof, as authorized by law, to Air Corps reserve officers
on extended active duty, shall be used for expenses in connection
with the Organized Reserves, but available supplies and existing
facilities at military posts shall be utilized to the fullest extent
possible .
No
appropriation made
in
this
Act shall be
available
for pay,
allowances, or traveling or other expenses of any officer of the
Organize d Reserv es who m ay be dr awing a pension, disabil ity allo w-
ance, disability compensation, or retired pay from the Government
of the United States : Provided, That nothing in this provision shall
be so co nstrued as to pr event th e applic ation of funds h erein co n-
tained to the pay, allowances, or traveling expenses of any officer or
enlisted man of the Reserve Corps who may surrender said pension,
disability allowance, disability compensation, or retired pay for the
period of his active duty in the Reserve Corps .
No appropriation made in this Act shall be expended for the pay
of a reserve officer on active duty for a longer period than fifteen
days, except such as Inay be detailed for duty with the War Depart-
ment General Staff under section 3a and section 5 (b) of the Army
Reorganization Act approved June 4, 1920 (U . S . C ., title 10, sees . 26,
37), or who may be detailed for courses of instruction at the general
or spe cial ser vice sch ools of the Army , for du ty as in structor s at
civilian military training camps, appropriated for in this Act, or for
duty with tactical units of the Air Corps, as provided in section 37a
of the
Army
Reorg anizat ion A ct app roved
June 4, 1920 (U. S. C.,
title 10, sec . 369), or who may be detailed to active duty with the
Regula r Arm y unde r the
provi sions
of Pub lic La w Num bered
408,
first session, Seventy-fourth Congress : Provided,
That the pay
and
allowances of such additional officers and nurses of the Medical
Reserve Corps as are required to supplement the like officers and
nurses of the Regular Army in the care of beneficiaries of the United
States Veterans' Administration treated in Army hospitals may be
paid from the funds allotted to the War Department by that admin-
istration under existing law .
CITIZENS'
MILITARY
TRAINING
RES ERVE
OF FICE RS'
TRA ININ G
C ORPS
For the procurement, maintenance, and issue, under such regula-
tions as may be prescribed by the Secretary of War, to institutions
at which one or more uni ts of th e Reserv e Office rs' Trai ning Cor ps
are maintained, of such public animals, means of transportation,
supplies, tentage, equipment, and uniforms as he may deem neces-
sary, including cleaning and laundering of uniforms and clothing at
camps ; and to forage, at the expense of the United States, public
re-
Proviso .
Divisional, etc ., head-
quarters .
Restricti on on use of
other funds .
Use of av ailable su p-
plies, etc.
No pare to officer
drawing pension, etc .
Proviso .
Provision waived if
pension, etc ., surren-
dered .
Reserve officer on
active duty ; pare re-
st ric tion .
General Staff detail
excepted .
Vol. 41, p. 760.
U.S.C.,p.231.
Oth er det ail s.
Air Corps .
Vol. 41, p. 776; U. S.
C., p.249.
Ante,
p.
1028 .
Proviso .
Me di cal
Reserve
Corps for Veterans'
Administration pa-
tients in Armre hospi-
tals .
Military
Citizens'
Training .
Reserve Officers'
Training Corps.
Quartermaster sup.
plies for units of.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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C ONGRESS .
SESS. II.
CU. 592.
JUNE
19,
1936 .
	
15 27
&quot;( c)
That it shall be unlawful for any person engaged in corn-
1
chit
3erage,
etc ., pay-
merce, in the course of such commerce, to pay or grant, or to receive
or acc ept, anyt hing of value as a co mmiss ion, bro kera ge, o r ot her
compen sation, or any allowance or discou nt in lieu thereo f, except
Payment f or servic ces
for services rendered in connection with the sale or purchase of
rendered .
goods, wares, or merchandise, either to the other party to such trans-
action or to an agent, representative, or other intermediary therein
where such intermediary is acting in fact for or in behalf, or is sub-
ject to the direct or indirect control, of any party to such transac-
tion o ther than the per son by whom such compensation is s o granted
or paid .
&quot;(d)
That it shall
be unlawful
for any person engaged in Com-
Discriminatory
pay-
merce to pay or contract for the payment of anything of value to or
bents
by
seller
t°
buyer for -services, etc.
for the be nefit of a custom er of such person in the course of such
commerce as compensation or in consideration for any services or
facilities furnished by or through such customer in connection with
the processing, handling, sale, or offering for sale of any products
or commodi ties manufactured , sold, or oRered for sale by such per-
son, unless such payment or consideration is available on propor-
tionally equal terms to all other customers competing in the dis-
tribution of such products or commodities .
&quot;(e)
That it shall be unlawful for any person to discriminate in
Furnishing
services
or facilitie s by seller t .o
favor of one purchaser against another purchaser or purchasers of
a buyer upon terms
not
a commodit y bought for resa le, with or witho ut processing, by con-
acco rded
to all buyers
.
tracting to furnish or furnishing, or by contributing to the furnish-
ing of, any serv ices or facil itie s co nnect ed w ith the proce ssin g,
handling, sale, or offering for sale of such commodity so purchased
upon terms not accorded to all purchasers on proportionally equal
terms .
11 (f) That it shall be unlawful for any person engaged in cob-
Inducing
or
receiv-
ing
discrimination
in
merce,
in the co urse of s uch commer ce, knowin gly to in duce or
pric e.
receiv e a discri mination
in price w hich is pr ohibited
by this
section .&quot;
SEC .
2 . That nothing herein contained shall affect rights of action
Pending
litigation,
arising, or litigation pending, or orders of the Federal Trade Com-
et''ol .
38,p.730.
mission issued and in effect or pending on review, based on section 2
of said Act of October 15, 1914, prior to the effective date of this
amendatory
Act : Provided,
That where, prior to the effective date
Peaso .
orde rs
of
of this amendatory Act,
the Federal
Trade Commission
has issued
Fe der al
Trade
Com-
an order requi ring any person t o cease and desis t from a violatio n
mission.
of section 2 of said Act of October 15, 1914, and such order is pend-
ing on review or is in effect, either as issued or as aff irmed or modi-
fied by a court of competent jurisdiction, and the Commission shall
Proceedings
here
have reason to believe that such person has committed, used or car-
violations
committed .
ried on, since the effective date of this amendatory Act, or is com-
mitting, using or carrying on, any act, practice or method in viola-
tion of any of the provisions o f said section 2 as amended by thi s
Act, it may reopen such original proceeding and may issue and serve
upon such pers on its complaint, supplementary to the original com -
plaint, stating its charges in that respect . Thereupon
the
same pro-
ceedings shall be had upon such supplementary complaint as pro-
vided in section 11 of said Act of October 15, 1914 . If upon such
hearing the Co mmission shall be of the opinion t hat any act, prac -
tice, or method charged in said supplementary complaint has been
committed, used, or carried on since the effective date o f this amenda-
tory Act, or is being committed, used or carried on, in violation of
said section 2 as amended by this Act, it shall make a report in
Re port
of findings .
writing in which it shall state its findings as to the facts and shall
issue and serve upon such person its order modifying or amending&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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C ONGRESS .
SESS. II.
CH. 690.
JUNE 22, 1936 .
	
168 7
he elects to have the depletion allowance for such property for the
taxable year for which the return is made computed with or
without regard to percentage depletion, and the depletion allow-
ance in respect of such pro perty for such year shall be computed
according to the election thus made . If' the taxpayer fails to
Computa tion
it
no
make such statement in the return, the depletion allowance for
sta teme nt
made .
such property for such year shall be computed without reference
to percentag e depletio n . The meth od, det ermi ned as a bove , o f
computing the depletion allowance shall be applied in the case
of the property for all taxable years in which it is in the hands
of such taxpayer, or of any other person if the basis of the
Ante, p. 1682 .
property (for determining gain) in his hands is, under section
113,
determined by reference to the basis in the hands of such taxpayer,
either directly or through one or more substituted bases, as defined
in that section . The above right of election shall be subject to
Qualifica tion .
th e qualific ation that this para graph shal l, for the purpose o f
determining whether the method of computing the depletion
allowance fo llows the property, be conside red a cont inuation o f
section 114 (b) (4) of the Revenue Act of 1934, and as giving no
Vol.48,p.710
.
new election in cases where such section would, if applied, give
no new elect ion .
SEC. 115.
DISTRIBUTIONS
BY
CORPORATIONS .
	
D istributio ns by cor -
pora tions .
(a)
D EFINI TION
OF
DIVIDEND .-The term
&quot; dividend &quot;
when used
&quot;Divid end&quot;
defined.
in this title (except in section 203 (a)
(3)
and section 207 (c) (1),
Post, pp .
1711, 1714 .
relating to insurance companies) means any distribution made by
a corporation to its shareholders, whether in money or in other
property, (1) out of its earnings or profits accumulated after Feb-
ruary 28, 1913, or (2) out of the earnings or profits of the taxable
year (com puted as o f the clo se of the taxable ye ar without diminu-
tion by reason of any distributions made during the taxable year),
without regard to the amount of the earnings and profits at the time
the distribution was made .
(b) SOURCE or DISTRIBUTIONS.-For the purposes of this Act every
source.
distribution is made out of earnings or profits to the extent thereof,
and from the most recently accumulated earnings or profits .
Any
before
March
s, es.,
earnings or profits accumulated, or increase in value of property tax-free
.
accr ued , be fore Mar ch 1, 1913, may be dist ribu ted exe mpt from tax ,
after the earnings and profits accumulated after February 28, 1913,
have been distribut ed, but a ny such ta x-free dis tribution shall be
applied against and reduce the adjusted basis of the stock provided
Ante, p . 1682
.
in section 113 .
(C)
DISTRIBUTIONS IN LIQUIDATION .-Amounts distributed in COm-
Dist ributions
in liq-
plete liquidation of a corporation shall be treated as in full payment
uidation .
i n exchange for the stock, and amounts distributed in partial liquida-
tion of a corporation shall be treated as in part or full payment in
exchange for the stock . The gain or loss to the distributee resulting
Gain
or
loss
to
di s-
from such exchange shall be determined under section 111, but shall
t
Autee .
1
0
7
8
e
be recognized only to the extent provided in section 112 . Despite
the provisions of section 117
(a), 100 per centum of the gain so
Post, p .1691 .
recognized shall be taken into account in computing net income
except in the case of amounts distributed in complete liquidation of
a corporation . For the purpose of the preceding sentence, &quot;complete ti
ono
on
plete edliquida.
liquidation includes any one of a series of distributions made by a
corporation in complete cancellation or redemption of all of its
stock in accordance with a b ona fide p lan of liq uidation a nd under
-which th e transfer of the p roperty un der the li quidation is to be
completed within a time specified in the plan, not exceeding two
years from the close of the taxable year during which is made the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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CONGRESS .
SESS. 11.
CII. 725.
JUN E
23,
1936 .
	
184 9
OFFICE
OF
THE
SECOND
ASSISTANT
POSThIASTER
GEN ER AL
	
Second
Assistant
Postmaster
General .
Star-route service :
For
inland tr ansportat ion by sta r routes
Star
routes,
except
(excepting service in Alaska), including temporary service to newly
Alaska
.
established offices, and not to exceed $100,000 for Government-
operat ed st ar-ro ute se rvice , $10 ,800,0 00 .
Star-ro ute service, Ala ska :
For
inland transportation by
star
Al aska .
routes in Alaska, $207,245 .
Power-boat service :
For inland
transportation
by steamboat
or
Power-boat
service .
other power-boat routes, including ship, steamboat and way letters,
$1,270,000 .
Railroad transportation and mail messenger service : For
inland
tion,
and
Railroad
mail
messen me ee
-
-
tran spor tati on by rai lroa d ro utes and for mail mess enge r se rvice ,
ger service .
$102,000,000 :
Provided, That not to exceed $1,500,000 of this appro-
Provisos .
pria.tion may be expended for pay of freight and incidental charges
an
eeighttrainconvey-
for the transport ation of mails co nveyed under spec ial arrangement
in freight trains or otherwise :
Provided
further,
That
separate
Separate
accounting,
messe nger
servi ce .
accounts be kept of the amount expended for mail messenger service
Provided further, That there may be expended from this appropria-
tr Services in the Dic-
tion for clerical and other assistance in the District of Columbia not
vol. 39, p. 429; Vol
.
exceeding the sum of $60,922 to carry out the provisions of section 5
43U S6C.,
pp . 1749,
of the Act of July 28, 1916 (U. S. C., title 39, sec. 562) (the space
1.766 .
basis Act), and not exceeding the
sum of
$33,050 to car out
the
provisions of section 214 of the Act of February 28, 1925 (U . S . C .,
title 39, sec . 826) (cost ascertainment) .
Railway Mail Service : For fifteen division superintendents, fifteen
.
R ail way
Ma il
Ser v-
t
assistant division superintendents, two assistant superintendents at
ice
Division
superin-
lar e one assistant superintendent in charge of car construction, one
tendents, etc&quot;
hun dred
and twenty-one chief
cle rks,
on hund red
and
twe nt- one
4arr,
p .1374.
assis tant chief cler ks, cl erks in ch arge o f sec tions in th e off ices of
division superintendents, railway postal clerks, substitute railway
postal clerks, joint employees, and laborers in the Railway Mail
Service, $57,000,000 .
Railway postal clerks, travel allowance : For travel allowance to
travel allowance .
clerks,
rai lway p ostal cler ks an d subs titut e rai lway p ostal cler ks, $3 ,525, 000 .
Railway Mail Service, traveling expenses : For actual and neces-
Railway
Azail
Serv-
sary expenses, general superintendent and assistant general superin-
ice, traveling
expenses .
tendent, division superintendents, assistant division superintendents,
assistant superintendents, chief clerks, and assistant chief clerks,
Railway Mail Service,
and railway
postal
clerks, while actually
trav elin g on busi ness of the Post Offi ce D epart ment and awa y fro m
their several designated headquarters, $60,000 .
Railway Mail Service, miscellaneous
expenses :
For rent, light,
Miscellaneous .
heat, fuel, telegraph, miscellaneous and office expenses, telephone
service, badges for railway postal clerks, for the purchase or rental
A rms,
etc ., for mail
of arms and miscellaneous items necessary for the protection of the
prot ectio n .
mails, and rental of space for terminal railway post offices for the
retorminaloffices,
distribution of mails when the furnishing of space for such distribu-
tion cannot,
under the Postal Laws and
Regulations, properly be
required of railroad companies without
additional compensation,
and for equipment and
miscellaneous items necessary to terminal
railway post offices, $540,000 .
Electric- and cable-car service : For electric- and cable-car service,
Electric-
and
cable-
$375,000
.
	
car service
.
Foreign mail transportation : For transportation of foreign mails
Foreign
mails.
by steamship, aircraft, or otherwise (exclusive of mail carried under
45,
,016849, p. sss; vol.
contra cts award ed under t he provis ions of th e Merchant
Marine v- s
. C.,p.2068.
Act of 1928), $9,717,500 : Provided,
That not to exceed $8,230,000
Aircraft
al lowan ce,
of this sum may be expended for carrying foreign mail by aircraft
restriction .&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Treasury Department-Continued. 
International Petroleum E!&lt;p08ition, 
Tuba, Okla., importation of duti- 
able articles for exhibition pur-' 
poses free of du~y; regulation8 ___ _ 
Louisville, Ky., limitation on sale price 
of old post office, ete., repealed __ _ 
Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. See sepa- 
rate title. 
Minor coin metal fund, amount in- 
creased ____________________ 
- 
Naval Recorda and Library, Office uf, 
Navy Department, investment of 
trust funds of, authori.ed ________ _ 
Ncw York World'. Fe.ir 1939. im\lOrta- 
tion of dutiable articles for 
&quot;&quot;hibition purpoeea free of duty; 
regujationl ____________________ _ 
Norfolk, Va., commemorative coinage 
authori.ed_____________________ _ 
Oakland, Calif., diBpOBition of post office 
building and sale of site__________ _ 
Conveyance of portion to city. aU- 
thorized _____________________ _ 
Oil World Exposition, Houston, Tex., 
importation of dutiable articles for 
exhibition purp0ee8 free of duty; 
regulations ____________________ _ 
PellJ\8ylvania, Issue of dup:icate check to 
Treasurer in lieu of lost original ___ _ 
Railroad Retirement Act of 1937- 
Payments by, upon certification hy 
Board____________________ . 
__ 
_ 
Railroad Retirement Account, c .;tah- 
lishment_____________________ _ 
Actuarial Advisory COlllmittee; 
selection, duties _______ . 
Shenandoah Memorial, Ava, Uhio, lowa- 
tion modified _____________ . 
Smith, James Reuel, acceptanre of cer- 
tain bequests authorized____ 
._____ 
Special Mexican Claims Commission, 
payment of awarda certified by ____ _ 
Tax Evasion and Avoidance, Joint Com- 
mittee on, furnishing of data to, hy _ 
Typewriters, prices of ptandard ma- 
chines ______________________ . 
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tiOD au~orized for ________________ _ 
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tion for irrigation _________________ . 
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      <text bytes="9863" sha1="2ml24kdemvplib7bzdy4bolxiqq8aw5" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;DivermanAU&quot; /&gt;{{EB1911 Page Heading|438|PROOF-READING|PROPAGATION|  }}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;Proof-reading&quot; /&gt;'''PROOF-READING,''' the art or business of correcting for the press the printed “proofs” of articles or books set in type before publication. The special business of a proof-reader, attached to a printing house, is to correct these proofs before they are shown to the author; he is an intermediary between the compositor and the author, and as such his functions may vary according to his capacities. Proof-reading as a distinct department in the work of a printing office does not date from the very earliest days of “the art preservative of all arts.” The first products of the printing-press show abundant evidences of the non-existence of any one specially charged with the duty of correcting the compositors’ mistakes. How much conjectural emendation and consequent controversy would have been avoided if the First Folio Shakespeare had been more typographically correct! Sir Theodore Martin said that the typographical errors alone of that work had been computed to number nearly 20,000, which amounts to 2·25% of the total number of words in the volume. It was a usual practice in the 17th and 18th centuries for authors to send the proofs of their works round amongst their personal friends for correction; and in the universities and colleges sheets of works passing through the press were frequently hung up in the quadrangles for public inspection and correction. With the growth of printing gradually came a demand for systematic proof-reading, and the leading printers engaged scholars and men of letters to read proofs for them. Among these may be mentioned Cruden, of ''Concordance'' fame (“Alexander the Corrector”), and [[Author:William Julius Mickle|William Julius Mickle]], poet, and translator of Luiz de Camoens’s ''Lusiads'', who was a reader at the Clarendon Press. Goldsmith and Dr Johnson also are credited with having wielded the proof-reader’s pen. Times, however, have changed since, as the elder D’Israeli wrote, “it became the glory of the learned to be correctors of the press to eminent printers,” and to-day in every printing office the proof-reader is found—an unobtrusive functionary, known to publishers, authors, editors and journalists, but for the most part unknown to the general reading public; a functionary who yet does useful, often valuable, and always indispensable work. The influence of good proof-reading upon the character of book, newspaper and general printing is too often underrated. The celebrated old printing offices and the foremost of the modern ones owe their reputation for good workmanship largely to the excellence and thoroughness of the work done in their reading-rooms, for no perfection of paper, ink, machining or binding can atone for bad or slipshod typography.

The nature of the proof-reader’s work, frequently monotonous and uninteresting, will be made clear by what follows. After the compositor (see {{EB1911 article link|Typography}}) has set up, by hand or type-setting machine, the “copy” supplied to him, a slip or page proof is pulled and sent with the manuscript to the proof-reader. The manuscript is then read aloud by a copy-holder, while the proof-reader carefully follows the text before him letter by letter, marking on the margin of the proof all the misspellings, turned letters, “wrong fonts” (letters differing in size or style of face from those in the immediate context) and other errors, and seeing that the punctuation clearly defines the author’s meaning. The copy-holder reads rapidly—indeed, an ordinary listener would imagine it to be impossible for the proof-reader to understand him—and as the reader is obliged to keep pace, he goes through the proof again, without the aid of the copy-holder, in order to mark any errors that may have escaped him in the first rapid reading. The proof, called the “first proof,” is then sent to the compositor to be corrected. When this has been done, a further proof is submitted to the reader, who, upon satisfying himself by careful revision that it is free from typographical mistakes, passes it as “clean.” If the reader, when dealing with the first proof, notices any slips in grammar or errors of fact on the part of the writer, or is in doubt whether any particular word in the manuscript has been correctly deciphered, he underlines the word or passage, and places “Qy.” (query) in the margin. The proof is then despatched to the author or editor. On the return of the proof, after the writer’s corrections and alterations have been carried out, the type is made up into pages and sheets and another proof pulled. This passes into the hands of the press reader (as distinguished from the “first proof-reader”), who checks the headlines, page numbers, and sequence of chapters or sections, and observes that the pages are of uniform length and that a sufficient amount of margin is allowed, before finally reading through the text. When the press-reader’s corrections have been effected, the work is ready for the printing machine or the stereotyping foundry.

The cost of proof-reading may be said to range from about 7{{EB1911 tfrac|2}} to 20% of the cost of composition, varying, of course, with the nature of the work.

{{Fine block|Many prominent authors have expressed in warm terms their gratitude to the proof-reader for valuable assistance rendered by apt queries and pertinent suggestions. Two of these expressions of opinion may be given as typical, one from a novelist and one from a poet. Charles Dickens said: “I know from some slight practical experience what the duties of correctors of the press are, and how these duties are usually discharged. And I can testify, and do testify here, that they are not mechanical—that they are not mere matters of manipulation and routine; but that they require from those who perform them much natural intelligence, much superadded cultivation, considerable readiness of reference, quickness of resource, an excellent memory and a clear understanding. And I must gratefully acknowledge that I have never gone through the sheets of any book I have written without having had presented to, me by the corrector of the press something I had overlooked—some slight inconsistency into which I had fallen—some little lapse I had made—in short, without having set down in black and white some unquestionable indication that I had been closely followed in my work by a patient and trained mind, and not merely by a skilful eye. In this declaration I have not the slightest doubt that the great body of my brother and sister writers would, as a plain act of justice, heartily concur.” Robert Browning thus corroborated Dickens: “I have had every opportunity of becoming acquainted. with, and gratefully acknowledging, the extreme service rendered. to me; and, if mine be no exceptional case, the qualifications of readers and correctors are important indeed.” P. Larousse spoke of French proof-readers as his “collaborateurs les plus chers,” and Hugo referred to them as those “modestes savants” so well able “lustrer les plumes du génie”; while the Académie Française consulted them on points arising in the revision of the Academy’s dictionary.}}

Though much good work is done by readers who have not been practical printers, yet the technical knowledge gained by working as a compositor is essential to the best proof-reading. The reader must possess a quick eye, alert to note every error or mechanical imperfection in the type, and must scrutinize closely every letter of every word, clause and sentence, while keeping a grasp of the sense of the matter he is dealing with. The more varied his information and the wider his knowledge, the better. Though his strict duty is merely to see that the author’s copy is properly reproduced, he is always glad to give the author the benefit of the experience and knowledge he has acquired, and, as a consequence, he is constantly crossing the line which separates proof-reading from sub-editorial duties. From this last consideration has arisen the plea for the reader, on the daily press especially, being placed under the control of, and made responsible to, the editorial department rather than the head of the composing-room.

{{Fine block|Proof-readers in Great Britain have a trade union, and many of them retain membership of the unions to which they belonged when working as compositors; and in some states of the American Union as well as in Scotland the compositors insist upon readers being also members of their society. The oldest English organization devoted entirely to the interests of proof-readers is the Association of Correctors of the Press, founded in 1854. The chief aim of the association is to give its members information as to vacant situations, so as to keep them in full employment; but it also assists members in distress from its benevolent fund, and provides pensions, as well as. a sum of money at death. There is in France the ''Société des correcteurs des imprimeries de Paris''. There are also proof-readers’ societies in several American cities, many of whose members are women, for in the United States women bulk largely in the rank of proof-readers. There are very few women proof-readers in London. In Edinburgh, however, women form a considerable proportion of the proof-readers. {{Fs|108%|{{EB1911 footer initials|John A. Black|J. A. Bl.|name2=John Randall|initials2=J. R.*}}}}}}

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24. Great confusion has been occasioned, as we have seen
incidentally, by the lax use of the term “association,” and this
confusion has been increased by a further laxity in
the use of the term “association by similarity.”
In so far as the similarity amounts to identity, as in
assimilation, we have a process which is more
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Association by Similarity not Fundamental.}}
fundamental than association by contiguity, but
then it is not a process of association. And when the reviving
presentation is only partially similar to the presentation revived,
the nature of the association does not appear to differ from that
operative when one “contiguous” presentation revives another.
In the one case we have, say, ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;x'' recalling ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;y'', and in the
other ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c'' recalling ''d&amp;nbsp;e&amp;nbsp;f''. Now anybody who will reflect
must surely see that the similarity between ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;x'' and ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;y'', as
distinct from the identity of their partial constituent ''a&amp;nbsp;b'', cannot
be the means of recall; for this similarity is nothing but the
state of mind—to be studied presently—which results when
''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;x'' and ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;y'', ''having been recalled'' are in consciousness together
and then ''compared''. But if ''a&amp;nbsp;b'', having concurred with ''y'' before
and being now present in ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;x'', again revives ''y'', the association,
so far as that goes, is manifestly one of contiguity, albeit as soon
as the revival is complete, the state of mind immediately incident
may be what Bain loved to style “the flash of similarity.” So
far as the mere revival itself goes, there is no more similarity in
this case than there is when ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c'' revives ''d&amp;nbsp;e&amp;nbsp;f''. For the very ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c''
that now operates as the reviving presentation was obviously
never in time contiguous with the ''d&amp;nbsp;e&amp;nbsp;f'' that is revived; if all
traces of previous experiences of ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c'' were obliterated there
would be no revival. In other words, the ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c'' now present
must be “automatically associated,” or, as we prefer to say,
must be assimilated to those residua of ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c'' which were “contiguous”
with ''d&amp;nbsp;e&amp;nbsp;f'', before the representation of this can occur.
And this, and nothing more than this, we have seen, is all
the “similarity” that could be at work when ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;x'' “brought
up” ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;y''.

On the whole, then, we may assume that the only principle
of association we have to examine is the so-called ''association'' by
''contiguity'', which, as ordinarily formulated, runs:
Any presentations whatever, which are in consciousness
together or in close succession, cohere in such a
way that when one recurs it tends to revive the rest, such tendency
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Contiguity Inexplicable.}}
increasing with the frequency of the conjunction. It has
been often contended that any investigation into the nature of
association must be fruitless.&lt;ref&gt;
So Hume, ''Treatise of Human Nature'', pt. i. § 4 (Green and
Grose’s ed., p.&amp;nbsp;321); also Lotze, ''Metaphysik'', 1st ed., p.&amp;nbsp;526.
&lt;/ref&gt; But, if association is thus a first
principle, it ought at least to admit of such a statement as shall
remove the necessity for inquiry. So long, however, as we are
asked to conceive presentations originally distinct and isolated
becoming eventually linked together, we shall naturally feel
the need of some explanation of the process, for neither the
isolation nor the links are clear—not the isolation, for
we can only conceive two presentations separated by other
presentations intervening; nor the links, unless these are
also presentations, and then the difficulty recurs. But, if
for contiguity we substitute continuity and regard the associated
presentations as parts of a new continuum, the only important
inquiry is how this new whole was first of all integrated.

To ascertain this point we must examine each of the two
leading divisions of contiguous association—that of simultaneous
presentations and that of presentations occurring
in close succession. The last, being the clearer, may
be taken first. In a series of associated presentations
''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D&amp;nbsp;E'', such as the movements made in writing, the words
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Formation of Memory-Continuum.}}
of a poem learned by heart, or the simple letters of the alphabet
themselves, we find that each member recalls its successor but
not its predecessor. Familiar as this fact is, it is not perhaps
easy to explain it satisfactorily. Since ''C'' is associated both
with ''B'' and ''D'', and apparently as intimately with the one as with
the other, why does it revive the later only and not the earlier?
''B'' recalls ''C''; why does not ''C'' recall ''B''? We have seen that any
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reproduction at all of ''B'', ''C'' or ''D'' depends primarily upon its
having been the object of special attention, so as to occupy at
least momentarily the focus of consciousness. Now we can in
the first instance only surmise that the order in which they are
reproduced is determined by the order in which they were thus
attended to when first presented. The next question is whether
the association of objects simultaneously presented can be
resolved into an association of objects successively attended to.
Whenever we try to recall a scene we saw but for a moment there
are always a few traits that recur, the rest being blurred and
vague, instead of the whole being revived in equal distinctness
or indistinctness. On seeing the same scene a second time our
attention is apt to be caught by something unnoticed before,
as this has the advantage of novelty; and so on, till we have
“lived ourselves into” the whole, which may then admit of
simultaneous recall. Bain, who is rightly held to have given the
best exposition of the laws of association, admits something very
like this in saying that “coexistence is an artificial growth
formed from a certain peculiar class of mental successions.”
But, while it is easy to think of instances in which the associated
objects were attended to successively, and we are all perfectly
aware that the surest—not to say the only—way to fix the
association of a number of objects is by thus concentrating
attention on each in turn, it seems hardly possible to mention
a case in which attention to the associated objects could not
have been successive. In fact, an aggregate of objects on which
attention could be focused at once would be already associated.
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The exclusively successional character of contiguous association
has recently been denied, and its exclusively simultaneous character
maintained instead. It is at once obvious that this opposition of
succession and simultaneity cannot be pressed so as to exclude duration
altogether and reduce the whole process to an instantaneous
event. Nor is there any ground for saying that there is a fixed and even
distribution of attention to whatever is simultaneously presented:
facts all point the other way. Still, though we cannot exclude the
notion of process from consciousness, we may say that presentations
attended to together become ''pro tanto'' a new whole, are synthesized
or complicated. Such primary synthesis leads not to an association
of ideas, but rather to the formation of one percept, which may
become eventually a free idea. The disconcerted preperception which
sets this free may likewise liberate a similar or contrasting idea,
but it will not resolve either complex into the several “ideas” of its
sensory or motor constituents, with which only the psychologist is
familiar. The actual recurrence of some of these constituents may
again reinstate the rest, not, however, as memories or as “thoughts,”
but only as tied ideas in a renewed perception.

Again, it has become usual to distinguish the association of
contiguous experiences and the so-called association of similars or
opposites as respectively external and internal ''forms'' of association.
The new terminology is illuminating: the substitution of ''forms'' for
''laws'' marks the abandonment of the old notion that association
was by “adhesion” of the contiguous and “attraction” of the
similar. We are thus left to find the cause of association in interested
attention; and that, we may safely say, is an adequate, and apparently
the sole adequate, cause for the two commonly recognized
forms of external association, the so-called simultaneous and the
successive. But these two are certainly not co-ordinate; and if our
analysis be sound, the former—for which we would retain the
Herbartian term complication—yields us not members of an association
but a member for association. So far, then, we should have but
one form of association, that of the successive contents of localized
attention: and but one result, the representation or memory-continuum,&lt;ref&gt;
Experience-continuum would perhaps be a better name, since
it is only a preliminary to a true memory record, as we shall presently
see.
&lt;/ref&gt;
in contrast to the primary- or presentation-continuum,
whence its constituents arise. Turning now to the distinction of
external and internal, it at once strikes the unprejudiced mind that
“internal association” is something of an anomaly, since the very
notion of association implies externality. Also, on closer inspection
what we find is not an association of similars or opposites as such,
but—something quite distinct—a similarity or contrast of associates;
of ideas, that is to say, which are contiguous members of the memory
(or experience) continuum, or of ideas which have become contiguous
through its reduplication.
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The only case, then, that now remains to be considered is
that—to take it in its simplest form—of two primary presentations
''A'' and ''X'', parts of different special continua or distinct—''i.e.''
non-adjacent—parts of the same, and occupying the focus
of consciousness in immediate succession. This constitutes&lt;noinclude&gt;
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the central group have entailed their suppression. There is
further the difference first mentioned, which is often only a
difference of degree, viz. that reminiscences have more
circumstantiality, so to say, than mere recognitions have: more of the
collateral constituents of the original concrete field of consciousness
are reinstated. But of the two characteristics of memory
proper—(''a'')&amp;nbsp;concreteness or circumstantiality, and (''b'')&amp;nbsp;localization
in the past—the latter is the more essential. It sometimes
happens that we have the one with little or nothing of the other.
For example, we may have but a faint and meagre representation
of a scene, yet if it falls into and retains a fixed place in the memory
train we have no doubt that some such experience was once
actually ours. On the other hand, as in certain so-called illusions
of memory, we may suddenly find ourselves reminded by what
is happening at the moment of a preceding experience exactly
like it—some even feel that they know from what is thus recalled
what will happen next; and yet, because we are wholly unable
to assign such representation a place in the past, instead of a
belief that it happened, there arises a most distressing sense of
bewilderment, as if one were haunted and had lost one’s personal
bearings.&lt;ref&gt;
Any full discussion of ''paramnesia'', as these very interesting
states of mind are called, belongs to mental pathology.
&lt;/ref&gt; It has been held by some psychologists&lt;ref&gt;
As, ''e.g.'' James Mill (''Analysis of the Human Mind'', ch. x.), who
treats this difficult subject with great acuteness and thoroughness.
&lt;/ref&gt; that
memory proper includes the representation of one’s past self
as agent or patient in the event or situation recalled. And this
is true as regards all but the earliest human experience, at any
rate; still, whereas it is easy to see that memory is essential
to any development of self consciousness, the converse is not
at all clear, and would involve us in a needless circle.

27. Intimately connected with memory is expectation. We
may as the result of reasoning conclude that a certain event
will happen; we may also, in like manner, conclude
that a certain other event has happened. But as we
should ''not'' call the latter memory, so it is desirable to distinguish
such indirect anticipation as the former from that expectation
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Expectation.}}
which is directly due to the interaction of ideas. Any man
knows that he will die, and may make a variety of arrangements
in anticipation of death, but he cannot with propriety be said
to be expecting it unless he has actually present to his mind a
series of ideas ending in that of death, such series being due to
previous associations, and unless, further, this series owes its
representation at this moment to the actual recurrence of some
experience to which that series succeeded before. And as
familiarity with an object or event in very various settings may
be a bar to recollection, so it may be to expectation: the average
Englishman, ''e.g.'' is continually surprised without his umbrella,
though only too familiar with rain, since in our climate one not
specially attentive to the weather obtains no clear representation
of its successive phases. But after a series of events ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D&amp;nbsp;E''
{{...}} has been once experienced we instinctively expect the
recurrence of ''B&amp;nbsp;C'' {{...}} on the recurrence of ''A'', ''i.e.'' provided
the memory-train continues so far intact. Such expectation,
at first perhaps slight—a mere tendency easily overborn—becomes
strengthened by every repetition of the series in the
old order, till eventually, if often fulfilled and never falsified, it
becomes certain and, as we commonly say, irresistible. To have
a clear case of expectation, then, it is not necessary that we should
distinctly remember any previous experience like it, but only
that we should have actually present some earlier member of
a series which has been firmly associated by such previous
experiences, the remaining members, or at least the next, if they
continue serial, being revived through that which is once again
realized. This expectation may be instantly checked by
reflection, just as it may, of course, be disappointed in fact; but
these are matters which do not concern the inquiry as to the
nature of expectation while expectation lasts.

We shall continue this inquiry to most advantage by widening
it into an examination of the distinction of present, past and
future. To a being whose presentations never passed through
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
the transitions which ours undergo—first divested of the
strength and vividness of impressions, again reinvested with
them and brought back from the faint world of ideas—the
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Present, Past, and Future.}}
sharp contrasts of “now” and “then,” and
all the manifold emotions they occasion, would be
quite unknown. Even we, so far as we confine our activity and
attention to ideas are almost without them. Time-order,
succession, antecedence, and consequence, of course, there might be
still, but in that sense of events as “past and gone for ever,”
which is one of the melancholy factors in our life; and in the
obligation to wait and work in hope or dread to what is “still to
come” there is much more than time-order. It is to presentations
in their primary stage, to impressions, that we owe what real
difference we find between now and then, whether prospective or
retrospective, as it is to them also that we directly owe our sense
of the ''real'', of what is and exists as opposed to the non-existent
that is not. But the present alone and life in a succession of
presents, or, in other words, continuous occupation with impressions,
give us no knowledge of the present as present. This we
first obtain when our present consciousness consists partly of
memories or partly of expectations as well. An event expected
differs from a like event remembered chiefly in two ways—in its
relation to present impressions and images and in the active
attitude to which it leads. The diverse feelings that accompany
our intuitions of time and contribute so largely to their colouring
are mainly consequences of these differences. Let us take a
series of simple and familiar events ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D&amp;nbsp;E'', representing
ideas by small letters, and perceptions by capitals whenever
it is necessary to distinguish them. Such series may be present
in consciousness in such wise that ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c&amp;nbsp;d'' are imaged while ''E'' is
perceived anew, ''i.e.'' the whole symbolized as proposed would be
''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c&amp;nbsp;d&amp;nbsp;E''; such would be, ''e.g.'' the state of a dog that had just
finished his daily meal. Again, there may be a fresh impression
of ''A'' which revives ''b&amp;nbsp;c&amp;nbsp;d&amp;nbsp;e''; we should have then (1)&amp;nbsp;''A&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c&amp;nbsp;d&amp;nbsp;e''—the
state of our dog when he next day gets sight of the dish in which
his food is brought to him. A little later we may have (2)&amp;nbsp;''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;d&amp;nbsp;e''.
Here ''a b'' are either after-sensations or primary memory-images,
or have at any rate the increased intensity due to recent
impression; but this increased intensity will be rapidly on the
wane even while ''C'' lasts, and ''a&amp;nbsp;b'' will pale still further when ''C''
gives place to ''D'', and we have (3)&amp;nbsp;''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;c&amp;nbsp;D&amp;nbsp;e''. But, returning to
(2), we should find ''d&amp;nbsp;e'' to be increasing in intensity and definiteness,
as compared with their state in (1), now that ''C'', instead of
''A'', is the present impression. For, when ''A'' occupied this position,
not only was ''e'' raised less prominently above the threshold of
consciousness by reason of its greater distance from ''A'' in the
memory-continuum, but, owing to the reduplications of this
continuum, more lines of possible revival were opened up, to be
successively negatived as ''B'' succeeded to ''A'' and ''C'' to ''B''; even
dogs know that “there is many a slip ’twixt the cup and the lip.”
But, where ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D&amp;nbsp;E'' is a series of percepts such as we have
here supposed—and a series of simpler states would hardly afford
much ground for the distinctions of past, present and future—there
would be a varying amount of active adjustment of
sense-organs and other movements supplementary to full sensation.
In (2), the point at which we have ''a&amp;nbsp;b&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;d&amp;nbsp;e'', for instance, such
adjustments and movements as were appropriate to ''b'' would
cease as ''B'' lapsed and be replaced by those appropriate to ''C''.
Again, as ''C'' succeeded to ''B'', and ''d'' in consequence increased in
intensity and definiteness, the movements adapted to the
reception of ''D'' would become nascent, and so on. Thus, psychologically
regarded, the distinction of past and future and what
we might call the oneness of direction of time depend, as just
described, (1)&amp;nbsp;upon the continuous sinking of the primary
memory-images on the one side, and the continuous rising of
the ordinary images on the other side, of that member of a series
of percepts then repeating which is actual at the moment; and
(2)&amp;nbsp;on the prevenient adjustments of attention, to which such
words as “expect,” “await,” “anticipate,” all testify by their
etymology. These conditions in turn will be found to depend
upon all that is implied in the formation of the memory-train
and upon that recurrence of like series of impressions which we&lt;noinclude&gt;
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same series of impressions twice, knowledge of time would be
impossible, as indeed would knowledge of any sort.

28. Time is often figuratively represented as a line, and we
may perhaps utilize this figure to make clear the relation of our
perception of time to what we call time itself. The
present, though conceived as a point or instant of
time, is still such that we actually can and do in that moment
attend to a plurality of presentations to which we might otherwise
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Succession.}}
have attended to severally in successive moments. Granting
this implication of simultaneity and succession, we may, if
we represent succession as a line, represent simultaneity as a
second line at right angles to the first; pure time—or time-length
without time-breadth, we may say—is a mere abstraction. Now
it is with the former line that we have to do in treating of time
as it is (or as we conceive it), and with the latter in treating of
our perception of time, where, just as in a perspective representation
of distance, we are confined to lines in a plane at right
angles to the actual line of depth. In a succession of events
''{{nowrap|A B C D E . . .}}'' the presence of ''B'' means the absence of ''A'' and of
''C'', but the presentation of this succession involves the simultaneous
presence, in some mode or other, of two or more of the
presentations ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D''. In our temporal perception, then, all
that corresponds to the differences of past, present and future is
presented simultaneously. To this fact the name of “specious
present” or “psychical present” has been given. What we
have is not a moving point or moment of objective time, but
rather a moving line, the contents of which, continuously
changing, simultaneously represent a portion of the line of objective
succession, viz. the immediate past as still present in primary
memory-images, and the immediate future as anticipated in
prepercepts and nascent acts.&lt;ref&gt;
Cf. W. James, ''Principles of Psychology'', i. 629 sqq.; L. W. Stern,
“Psychische Präsenzzeit,” ''Z. f. Psych.'', (1897), xiii. 325&amp;nbsp;sqq.
&lt;/ref&gt; This truism—or paradox—that
all we know of succession is but an interpretation of what is
really simultaneous or coexistent, we may then concisely express
by saying that we are aware of time only through time-perspective,
and experience shows that it is a long step from a succession
of presentations to such presentation of succession. The first
condition of such presentation is that we should have represented
together presentations that were in the first instance attended
to successively, and this we have both in the persistence of
primary memory-images and in the simultaneous reproduction
of longer or shorter portions of the memory-train. In a series
thus secured there may be time-marks, though no time, and by
these marks the series will be distinguished from other
simultaneous series. To ask which is first among a number of
simultaneous presentations is unmeaning; one might be logically
prior to another, but in time they are together and priority is
excluded. Nevertheless after each distinct representation
''a'', ''b'', ''c'', ''d'' there probably follows, as we have supposed, some trace
of that movement of attention of which we are aware in passing
from one presentation to another. In our present reminiscences
we have, it must be allowed, little direct proof of this
interposition, though there is strong indirect evidence of it in the
tendency of the flow to follow the order in which the
presentations were first attended to. With the movements themselves
we are familiar enough, though the residua of such
movements are not ordinarily conspicuous. These residua, then,
are our temporal signs, and, together with the representations
connected by them, constitute the memory-continuum. But
temporal signs alone will not furnish all the pictorial exactness
of the time-perspective. They give us only a fixed series; but
the working of obliviscence, by insuring a progressive variation
in intensity and distinctness as we pass from one member of the
series to the other, yields the effect which we call time-distance.
By themselves such variations would leave us liable to confound
more vivid representations in the distance with fainter ones
nearer the present, but from this mistake the temporal signs save
us; and, as a matter of fact, where the memory-train is imperfect
such mistakes continually occur. On the other hand, where
these variations are slight and imperceptible, though the
memory-&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;continuum
preserves the order of events intact, we have still no
such distinct appreciation of comparative distance in time as we
have nearer the present where these perspective effects are
considerable.

29. When in retrospect we note that a particular presentation
''X'' has had a place in the field of consciousness, while certain
other presentations, ''{{nowrap|A B C D . . .}}'', have succeeded
each other, then we may be said in observing this
relation of the two to perceive the duration of ''X''. And it is in
this way that we do subjectively estimate longer periods of time.
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Duration.}}
But first, it is evident that we cannot apply this method to
indefinitely short periods without passing beyond the region of
distinct presentation; and, since the ''knowledge'' of duration implies
a relation between distinguishable presentations ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D'' and ''X'',
the case is one in which the hypothesis of subconsciousness can
hardly help any but those who confound the fact of time with the
knowledge of it. Secondly, if we are to compare different
durations at all, it is not enough that one of them should last
out a series ''A&amp;nbsp;B&amp;nbsp;C&amp;nbsp;D'', and another a series ''L&amp;nbsp;M&amp;nbsp;N&amp;nbsp;O''; we also
want some sort of common measure of those series. Locke was
awake to this point, though he expresses himself vaguely (''Essay'',
ii. 14, §§&amp;nbsp;9–12). He speaks of our ideas succeeding each other
“at certain distances not much unlike the images in the inside
of a lantern turned round by the heat of a candle,” and
“guesses” that “this appearance of theirs in train varies not
very much in a waking man.” Now what is this “distance” that
separates ''A'' from ''B'', ''B'' from ''C'', and so on, and what means have
we of knowing that it is tolerably constant in waking life? It
is probably that the residuum of which we have called a temporal
sign; or, in other words, it is the movement of attention from ''A''
to ''B''. But we must endeavour here to get a more exact notion
of this movement. Everybody knows what it is to be distracted
by a rapid succession of varied impressions, and equally what it is
to be wearied by the slow and monotonous recurrence of the
same impressions. Now these “feelings” of distraction and
tedium owe their characteristic qualities to movements of attention.
In the first, attention is kept incessantly on the move;
before it is accommodated to ''A'', it is disturbed by the suddenness,
intensity, or novelty of ''B''; in the second, it is kept all but
stationary by the repeated presentation of the same impression.
Such excess and defect of surprises make one realize a fact which
in ordinary life is so obscure as to escape notice. But recent
experiments have set this fact in a more striking light, and
made clear what Locke had dimly before his mind in talking of a
certain distance between the presentations of a waking man. In
estimating very short periods of time, of a second or less—indicated
say by the beats of a metronome—it is found that there is a certain
period for which the mean of a number of estimates is correct,
while shorter periods are on the whole over-estimated, and longer
periods under-estimated. This we may perhaps take to be
evidence of the time occupied in accommodating or fixing attention.
Whether the “point of indifference” is determined by the
rate of usual bodily movement, as Spencer asserts and Wundt
conjectures, or conversely, is a question we need not discuss just
now. But, though the fixation of attention does of course really
occupy time, it is probably not in the first instance perceived as
time, ''i.e.'' as continuous “protensity,” to use a term of Hamilton’s,
but as intensity. Thus, if this supposition be true, there
is an element in our concrete time-perception which has no place
in our abstract conception of time. In time conceived as physical
there is no trace of intensity; in time psychically experienced
duration is primarily an intensive magnitude, witness the
comparison of times when we are “bored” with others when
we are amused. It must have struck every one as strange who
has reflected upon it that a period of time which seems long in
retrospect—such as an eventful excursion—should have appeared
short in passing; while a period, on the contrary, which in memory
has dwindled to a wretched span seemed everlasting till it was
gone. But, if we consider that in retrospect length of time is
represented primarily and chiefly by impressions that have
survived, we have an explanation of one-half; and in the intensity of
the movements of attention we shall perhaps find an explanation&lt;noinclude&gt;
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''reflex'', since they arise from the memory or expectation of feelings
but in fact these are largely involved in all the higher feelings,
and this brief reference to them will suffice: of such hope, fear,
regret are examples.

''a''. The quality and intensity as well as the duration and
frequency of a sensation or movement all have to do with
determining to what feeling it gives rise. It will
be best to leave the last two out of account for a time.
Apart from these, the pleasantness or painfulness
of a movement appears to depend solely upon its intensity,
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Sensations and Movements.}}
that is to say, upon the amount of effort necessary to effect it,
in such wise that a certain amount of exertion is agreeable
and any excess disagreeable. Some sensations also, such as
those of light and sound, are agreeable if not too intense, their
pleasantness increasing with their intensity up to a certain point,
on nearing which the feeling rapidly changes and becomes
disagreeable or even painful. Other sensations, as bitter tastes,
''e.g.'' are naturally unpleasant, however faint—though we must
allow the possibility of an acquired liking for moderately bitter
or pungent flavours. But in every case such sensations produce
unmistakable manifestations of disgust, if at all intense. Sweet
tastes, on the other hand, however intense, are pleasant to an
unspoiled palate, though apt before long to become mawkish,
like “sweetest honey, loathsome in his own deliciousness,” as
confectioners’ apprentices are said soon to find. The painfulness
of all painful sensations or movements increases with their
intensity without any assignable maximum being reached.

A comparison of examples of this kind, which it would be
tedious to describe more fully and which are indeed too familiar
to need much description, seems to show (1)&amp;nbsp;that, so far as feeling
is determined by the intensity of a presentation, there is pleasure
so long as attention can be adapted or accommodated to the
presentation, and pain so soon as the intensity is too great for
this; and (2)&amp;nbsp;that, so far as feeling is determined by the quality
of a presentation, those that are pleasurable enlarge the field of
consciousness and introduce or agreeably increase in intensity
certain organic sensations, while those that are painful contract
the field of consciousness and introduce or disagreeably increase
in intensity certain organic sensations. There are certain other
hedonic effects due to quality, the examination of which we must
for the present defer. Meanwhile as to the first point it may be
suggested, as at any rate a working hypothesis, that in itself any
and every simple sensation or movement is pleasurable if there
is attention forthcoming adequate to its intensity. In the earliest
and simplest phases of life, in which the presentation-continuum
is but little differentiated, it is reasonable to suppose that
variation in the intensity of presentation preponderates over
changes in the quality of presentation, and that to the same
extent feeling is determined by the former and not by the latter.
And, whereas this dependence on intensity is invariable, there
is no ground for supposing the quality of any primary presentation,
when not of excessive intensity, to be invariably disagreeable;
the changes above-mentioned in the hedonic effects
of bitter tastes, sweet tastes, or the like tend rather to prove the
contrary. This brings us to the second point, and it requires
some elucidation. We need here to call to mind the continuity
of our presentations and especially the existence of a background
of organic sensations or somatic consciousness, as it is variously
termed. By the time that qualitatively distinct presentations
have been differentiated from this common basis it becomes
possible for any of these, without having the intensity requisite
to affect feeling directly, to change it indirectly by means of the
systemic sensations accompanying them, or, in other words, by
their tone. The physiological concomitants of these changes of
somatic tone are largely reflex movements or equivalents of
movements, such as alterations in circulatory, respiratory and
excretory processes. Such movements are psychologically
movements no longer, and are rightly regarded as pertaining
wholly to the sensory division of presentations. But originally
it may have been otherwise. To us now, these organic reflexes
seem but part and parcel of the special sensation whose tone they
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
form, and which they accompany even when that sensation,
so far as its mere intensity goes, might be deemed indifferent.
But perhaps at first the special qualities that are now throughout
unpleasant may have been always presented with an excessive
intensity that would be painful on this score alone, and the
reflexes that at present pertain to them may then have been
psychologically the expression of this pain.&lt;ref&gt;
In the lowly organisms that absorb food directly through the
skin such bitter juices as exist naturally might at once produce very
violent effects—comparable, say, to scalding; and the reflexes
then established may have been continued by natural selection so as
to save from poisoning the higher organisms, whose absorbent
surfaces are internal and only guarded in this way by the organ of
taste. Some light is thrown on questions of this kind by the very
interesting experiments of Dr Romanes; for a general account of
these see his ''Jelly-fish, Star-fish, and Sea-urchins'', ch. ix.
&lt;/ref&gt; At any rate it is
manifestly unfair to refuse either to seek out the primitive effects
of the sensations in question and allow for the workings of
heredity, or to reckon this accompanying systemic feeling as part
of them. The latter seems the readier and perhaps, too, the
preferable course. A word will now suffice to explain what is
meant by enlarging and contracting the field of consciousness and
agreeably increasing or decreasing certain elements therein.

The difference in point is manifest on comparing the flow of
spirits, buoyancy and animation which result from a certain
duration of pleasurable sensations with the lowness or depression
of spirits, the gloom and heaviness of heart, apt to ensue from
prolonged physical pain. Common language, in fact, leaves us
no choice but to describe these contrasted states by figures which
clearly imply that they differ in the range and variety of the
presentations that make up consciousness, and in the quickness
with which these succeed each other.&lt;ref&gt;
This is one among many cases in which the study of a vocabulary
is full of instruction to the psychologist. The reader who will be at
the trouble to compare the parallel columns under the heading
“Passive Affections,” in Roget’s ''Thesaurus of English Words and'' 
''Phrases'', will find ample proof both of this general statement and of
what is said above in the text.
&lt;/ref&gt; It is not merely that in
hilarity as contrasted with dejection the train of ideas takes a
wider sweep and shows greater liveliness, but as it were at the
back of this, on the lower level of purely sensory experience,
certain organic sensations which are ordinarily indifferent
acquire a gentle intensity, which seems by flowing over to quicken
and expand the ideational stream as we see, for instance, in
the effects of mountain air and su&lt;ins&gt;n&lt;/ins&gt;shine. Or, on the other hand,
these sensations become so violently intense as to drain off and
ingulf all available energy in one monotonous corroding care, an
oppressive weight which leaves no place for free movement, no
life or leisure to respond to what are wont to be pleasurable
solicitations?&lt;ref&gt;
Observation and experiment show that the physical signs of pain
in the higher animals consist in such changes as a lowered and
weaker pulse, reduction of the surface temperature, quickened
respiration, dilatation of the iris, and the like. And so far as can be
ascertained these effects are not altogether the emotional reaction
to pain but in large measure its actual accompaniments, the physical
side of what we have called its ''tone''. The following is a good description
of these general characteristics of feeling: “En même temps,
il se fait une série de mouvements généraux de flexion, comme si
l’animal voulait se rendre plus petit, et offrir moins de surface à la
douleur. Il est intéressant de remarquer que, pour l’homme comme
pour tous les animaux, on retrouve ces mêmes mouvements généraux
de flexion et d’extension répondant aux sentiments différents de
plaisir et de la douleur. Le plaisir répond à un movement
d’épanouissement, de dilatation, d’extension. Au contraire, dans la
douleur, on se rapetisse, on se referme sur soi; c’est un mouvement
général de flexion” (C.&amp;nbsp;Richet, ''L’Homme et l’Intelligence: la douleur'',
p.&amp;nbsp;9).
&lt;/ref&gt;

As regards the duration and the frequency of presentation,
it is in general true that the hedonic effect soon attains its maximum,
and then, if pleasant, rapidly declines, or even changes
to its opposite. Pains in like manner decline, but more slowly
and without in the same sense changing to pleasures. The like
holds of too frequent repetition. Physiological explanation
of these facts, good as far as it goes, is, of course, at once
forthcoming: sensibility is blunted, time is required for restoration,
and so forth; but at least we want the psychological equivalent
of all this. In one respect we find nothing materially new; so&lt;noinclude&gt;
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development as distinct from the communication of thought.
But first of all, what in general is thinking, of which language
is the instrument?
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In entering upon this inquiry we are really passing one of the
hardest and fastest lines of the old psychology—that between sense
and understanding. So long as it was the fashion
to assume a multiplicity of faculties the need was less
felt for a clear exposition of their connexion. A man
had senses and intellect much as he had eyes and ears;
{{EB1911 Shoulder HeadingFine|width=8|Distinction between Sense and Understanding.}}
the heterogeneity in the one case was no more puzzling
than in the other. But for psychologists who do not cut
the knot in this fashion it is confessedly a hard matter to explain the
relation of the two. The contrast of receptivity and activity hardly
avails, for all presentation involves activity and essentially the same
activity, that of attention. Nor can we well maintain that the
presentations attended to differ in kind, albeit such a view has been
held from Plato downwards. ''Nihil est in intellectu quod non fuerit''
''prius in sensu'': the blind and deaf are necessarily without some
concepts that we possess. If pure being is pure nothing, pure
thought is equally empty. Thought consists of a certain elaboration
of sensory and motor presentations and has no content apart from
these. We cannot even say that the forms of this elaboration are
psychologically a priori; on the contrary, what is epistemologically
the most fundamental is the last to be psychologically realized.
This is not only true as a fact; it is also true of necessity, in so far as
the formation of more concrete concepts is an essential preliminary
to the formation of others more abstract—those most abstract,
like the Kantian categories, &amp;c., being thus the last of all to be
thought out or understood. And though this formative work is
substantially voluntary, yet, if we enter upon it, the form at each
step is determined by the so-called matter, and not by us; in this
respect “the spontaneity of thought” is not really freer than the
receptivity of sense.&lt;ref&gt;
Locke, so often misrepresented, expressed this truth according to
his lights in the following: “The earth will not appear painted with
flowers nor the fields covered with verdure whenever we have a mind
to it{{...|4}} Just thus is it with our understanding: all that is voluntary
in our knowledge is the employing or withholding any of our
faculties from this or that sort of objects and a more or less accurate
survey of them” (''Essay'', iv. 13, 2).
&lt;/ref&gt; It is sometimes said that thought is synthetic,
and this is true; but imagination is synthetic also; and the processes
which yield the ideational train are the only processes at work in
intellectual synthesis. Moreover, it would be arbitrary to say at
what point the mere generic image ceases and the true concept
begins—so continuous are the two. No wonder, therefore, that
English psychology has been prone to regard thought as only a special
kind of perception—perceiving the agreement or disagreement of
ideas—and the ideas themselves as mainly the products of association.
Yet this is much like confounding observation with experiment
or invention—the act of a cave-man in betaking himself to a
drifting tree with that of Noah in building himself an ark. In
reverie, and even in understanding the communications of others,
we are comparatively passive spectators of ideational movements,
non-voluntarily determined. But in thinking or “intellection,”
as it has been conveniently termed, there is always a search for
something more or less vaguely conceived, for a clue which will be
known when it occurs by seeming to satisfy certain conditions.
Thinking may be broadly described as solving a problem—finding
an AX that is B. In so doing we start from a comparatively fixed
central idea or intuition and work along the several diverging lines
of ideas associated with it—hence far the aptest and in fact the oldest
description of thought is that it is ''discursive''. Emotional excitement—and
at the outset the natural man does not think much in cold
blood—quickens the flow of ideas: what seems relevant is at once
contemplated more closely, while what seems irrelevant awakens
little interest and receives little attention. At first the control
acquired is but very imperfect; the actual course of thought of
even a disciplined mind falls far short of the clearness, distinctness,
and coherence of the logician’s ideal. Familiar associations are apt
to hurry attention away from the proper topic, so that thought
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becomes not only discursive but wandering; in place of concepts
of fixed and crystalline completeness, such as logic describes, we
may find a congeries of ideas but imperfectly compacted into one
generic idea, subject to continual transformation and implicating
much that is irrelevant and confusing.
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Thus, while it is possible for thought to begin without language,
just as arts may begin without tools, yet language enables us
to carry the same process enormously farther. In
the first place it gives us an increased command of
even such comparatively concrete generic images
as can be formed without it. The name of a thing or action
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Thought and Language.}}
becomes, for one who knows the name, as much an objective
mark or attribute as any quality whatever can be. The form
and colour of what we call an “orange” are perhaps even more
intimately combined with the sound and utterance of this word
than with the taste and &lt;span style=&quot;border-bottom: 1px dashed red;&quot; title=&quot;amended from 'fragance'&quot;&gt;fragrance&lt;/span&gt; which we regard as strictly
essential to the thing. But, whereas its essential attributes
often evade us, we can always command its nominal attribute,
in so far as this depends upon movements of articulation. By
uttering the name (or hearing it uttered) we have secured to us,
in a greater or less degree, that superior vividness and definiteness
that pertain to images reinstated by impressions: our idea
approximates to the fixity and independence of a percept
(cf. §&amp;nbsp;21 above). With young children and uncultured
minds—who, by the way, not uncommonly “think aloud”—the
gain in this respect is probably more striking than those
not confined to their mother-tongue or those used to an analytical
handling of language at all realize.&lt;ref&gt;
Ruskin, in his ''Fors clavigera'', relates that the sight of the word
“crocodile” used to frighten him when a child so much that he could
not feel at ease again till he had turned over the page on which it
occurred.
&lt;/ref&gt; When things are thus
made ours by receiving names from us and we can freely manipulate
them in idea, it becomes easier mentally to bring together
facts that logically belong together, and so to classify and
generalize. For names set us free from the cumbersome
tangibility and particularity of perception, which is confined to just
what is presented here and now. But as ideas increase in generality
they diminish in definiteness and unity; they not only
become less pictorial and more schematic, but they become vague
and unsteady as well, because formed from a number of concrete
images only related as regards one or two constituents, and not
assimilated as the several images of the same thing may be.
The mental picture answering to the word “horse” has, so to
say, body enough to remain a steady object when under attention
from time to time; but that answering to the word “animal”
is perhaps scarcely twice alike. The relations of things
could thus never be readily recalled or steadily controlled if the
names of those relations, which as words always remain concrete,
did not give us a definite hold upon them—make them
comprehensible. Once these “airy nothings” have a name, we reap again
the advantages a concrete constituent affords: by its means
that which is relevant becomes more closely associated, and that
which is irrelevant—abstracted from—falls off. When what
answers to the logical connotation or meaning of a concept is in
this way linked with the name, it is no longer necessary that
such “matter or content” should be distinctly present in
consciousness. It takes time for an image to raise its associates
above the threshold; and, when all are there, there is more
demand upon attention in proportion. There is thus a manifest
economy in what Leibnitz happily styled “symbolic,” in
contrast to “intuitive” thinking. Our power of efficient
attention is limited, and with words for counters we can, as
Leibnitz remarks, readily perform operations involving very
complex presentations, and wait till these operations are
concluded before realizing and spreading out the net result in
sterling coin.

But this simile must not mislead us. In actual thinking
there never is any complete separation between the symbol
and the ideas symbolized: the movements of the
one are never entirely suspended till those of the
other are complete. “Thus,” says Hume, “if,
instead of saying, that in war the weaker have always recourse
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&lt;ref follow=p589&gt;
herd of individuals mankind would have a natural history as other
animals have; but personality can only emerge out of intercourse
with persons, and of such intercourse language is the means. But
important as is this addition of a transparent and responsive world
of minds to the dead opaqueness of external things, the development
of our psychological individual still remains a purely individual
development. The only new point is—and it is of the highest
importance to keep it in sight—that the materials of this development
no longer consist exclusively of presentations elaborated by a
single mind in accordance with psychical laws. Nevertheless that
combination of individual experiences which converts subjective
idiosyncrasy and isolation into the objectivity and solidarity of
Universal Mind only affects the individual in accordance with
psychical laws, and we have no need therefore to overstep our
proper domain in studying the advance from the non-rational
phase to the phase of reason.
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movements are not only apt to attract attention first, but, when recognized
as events and not as abstracts personified, they call for
some supplementing beyond themselves—then in this case we
may search for the agent at work or for the object affected, but
not for both at once. Moreover, if we find either, a complete
judgment at once ensues: “The enemy explodes,” or “The
mine is exploded.” The original judgment is really due to a
synthesis of these two. But, when the results of former judgments
are in this manner taken up into a new judgment, a certain
“condensation of thought” ensues. Of this condensation the
grammatical structure of language is evidence, though logical
manipulation—with great pains—obliterates it. Thus our more
complex judgment would take the form—“The enemy is now
mine-exploding” or “The mine is enemy-exploded,” according
as one or other of the simpler judgments was made first. An
examination of other cases would in like manner tend to show
that intellectual synthesis is always—in itself and apart from
implications—a binary synthesis. Wundt, to whom belongs
the merit of first explicitly stating this “law of dichotomy or
duality”&lt;ref&gt;
Wundt, ''Logik; eine Untersuchung der Principien der Erkenntniss''
(2nd ed., 1893), i. 59 sqq.
&lt;/ref&gt; as the cardinal principle of discursive thinking,
contrasts it with synthesis by mere association. This, as running
on continuously, he represents thus—A — B — C — D — . . . ; the
synthesis of thought, on the other hand, he symbolizes by forms
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Thus, Socrates is a philosopher; the philosopher Socrates
discovered a method; the philosopher Socrates discovered the
dialectical method; &amp;c. The point is that the one thing attended
to in an intellective act is the synthesis of two ideas, and of
two ideas only, because, as only one movement of attention
is possible at a time, only two ideas at a time can be synthesized.
In that merely associative synthesis by which the memory-continuum
is produced attention moves from A to B and thence
to C without any relation between A and B being attended to
at all, although they must have relations, that of sequence ''e.g.''
at least.

“Difference,” says Hume, “I consider rather as a negation
of relation than anything real or positive. Difference is of two
kinds, as opposed either to identity or resemblance.
The first is called a difference of ''number'', the other
of ''kind''.” The truth seems rather to be that difference
in Hume’s sense of numerical difference&lt;ref&gt;
Hume’s numerical difference, that is to say, is really distinctness,
not quantitative difference.
&lt;/ref&gt; is so far an element
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Difference and Likeness.}}
in all relations as all imply distinct correlatives. To this extent
even identity—or at least the recognition of it—rests on difference,
that form of difference, viz. which is essential to plurality.
But absolute difference (''i.e.'' diversity) of kind may be considered
tantamount not, indeed, to the negation, but at least to the
absence of all formal relation. That this absolute difference—or
disparateness, as we may call it—affords no ground for relations
becomes evident when we consider (1)&amp;nbsp;that, if we had only
a plurality of absolutely different presentations, we should have
no consciousness at all (cf. §&amp;nbsp;11); and (2)&amp;nbsp;that we never
compare—although we distinguish—presentations which seem
absolutely or totally disparate, as ''e.g.'' a thunderclap and the
taste of sugar, or the notion of free trade and that of the Greek
accusative. All actual comparison of what is qualitatively
different rests upon at least partial likeness. This being
understood, it is noteworthy that the recognition of unlikeness is,
if anything, more “real or positive” than that of likeness, and
is certainly the simpler of the two. In the comparison of
sensible impressions—as of two colours, two sounds, the lengths or
the directions of two lines, &amp;c.—we find it easier in some cases to
have the two impressions that are compared presented together,
in others to have first one presented and then the other. But,
either way, the essential matter is to secure the most effective
presentation of their difference, which in every case is something
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
positive and, like any other impression, may vary in amount
from bare perceptibility to the extremest distance that the
continuum to which it belongs will admit. Where no difference
or distance at all is perceptible there we say there is likeness
or equality. Is the only outcome, then, that when we pass
from ''ab'' to ''ac'' there is a change in consciousness, and that when
ab persists there is none? To say this is to take no account of
the operations (we may symbolize them as ''ac''→''ab:c'', ''ab''→''ab:o'')
by which the difference or the equality results. The change of
presentation (''c'') and absence of change (''o'') are not here what they
are as merely passive occurrences, so to put it. This is evident
from the fact that in the former there is positive presentation
and in the latter no presentation at all. The relation of unlikeness,
then, is distinguished from the mere “position” or fact of change
by (1) the voluntary concentration of attention upon ''ab'' and
''ac'' with a view to the detection of this change as ''their'' difference,
and by (2) the act, relating them through it, in that they are
judged unlike to that extent. The type of comparison is such
superposition of geometrical lines or figures (as, ''e.g.'' in Euclid&amp;nbsp;I.
iv.): if they coincide we have concrete equality; if they do not
their difference is a line or figure. All sensible comparisons
conform essentially to this type. In comparing two shades we
place them side by side, and passing from one to the other seek
to determine not the absolute shade of the second but its shade
relative to the first—in other words, we look out for contrast.
We do not say of one “It is dark,” for in the scale of shades it
may be light, but “It is darker”; or vice versa. Where there is
no distance or contrast we simply have not ''two'' impressions, and,
as said—if we consider the difference by itself—no impression at
all. Two coincident triangles must be perceived as one. The
distinction between the one triangle thus formed by two coinciding
and the single triangle rests upon something extraneous to this
bare presentation of a triangle that is one and the same in both
cases. The marks of this numerical distinctness may be various:
they may be different temporal signs, as in reduplications
of the memory-continuum; or they may be constituents peculiar
to each, from which attention is for the moment abstracted,
any one of which suffices to give the common or identical
constituent a new setting. In general, it may be said (1)&amp;nbsp;that the
numerical distinctness of the related terms is secured in the
absence of all qualitative difference solely by the intellectual
act which has so unified each as to retain what may serve
as an individual mark; and (2)&amp;nbsp;that they become related as
“like” either in virtue of the active adjustment to a change
of impression which their partial assimilation defeats, or in
virtue of an anticipated continuance of the impression which
this assimilation confirms.

It is in keeping with this analysis that we say in common
speech that two things in any respect similar are so far the same.
This ambiguity in the word “same,” whereby it
means either individual identity or indistinguishable
resemblance has been often noticed, and from a logical or
objective point of view justly complained of as “engendering
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Identity.}}
fallacies in otherwise enlightened understandings.” But apparently
no one has inquired into its psychological basis, although
more than one writer has admitted that the ambiguity is one
“in itself not always to be avoided.”&lt;ref&gt;
Cf. J. S. Mill, ''Logic'', bk. i. ch. iii. § 11, and ''Examination of''
''Hamilton'', 3rd&amp;nbsp;ed., ch.&amp;nbsp;xiv. p.&amp;nbsp;306, note; also Meinong,
“Hume-Studien”&amp;nbsp;II., ''Wiener Sitzungsberichte'' (''Phil. Hist. Cl.''). ci.&amp;nbsp;709.
&lt;/ref&gt; It is not enough to
trace the confusion to the existence of common names and to
cite the forgotten controversies of scholastic realism. We are
not now concerned with the conformity of thought to things
or with logical analysis, but with the analysis of a
psychological process. The tendency to treat presentations as if they
were copies of things—the objective bias, as we may call it—is
the one grand obstacle to psychological observation. Some
only realize with an effort that the idea of extension is not
extended; no wonder, then, if it should seem “unnatural”
to maintain that the idea of two like things does not consist
of two like ideas. But, assuming that both meanings of identity
have a psychological justification, it will be well to distinguish&lt;noinclude&gt;
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term the one “material identity” and the other “individual
identity”—following the analogy of expressions such as
“different things but all made of the same stuff,” “the same
person but entirely changed.” Thus there is unity and plurality
concerned in both, and herein identity or sameness differs
from singularity or mere oneness, which so far entails no
relation. But the unity and the plurality are different in each,
and each is in some sort the converse of the other. In the
one, two different individuals partially coincide; in the other,
one individual is partially different; the unity in the one case
is an individual presentation, in the other is the presentation
of an individual.

In material identity the unity is that of a single presentation,
whether simple or complex, which enters as a common
constituent into two or more others. It may be possible,
of course, to individualize it, but as it emerges in
a comparison it is a single presentation and nothing
more. On account of this absence of individual marks this
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Material Identity.}}
single presentation is what logicians call “abstract”; but this
is not psychologically essential. It may be a generic image
which has resulted from the neutralization of individual marks,
but it may equally well be a simple presentation, like red, to
which such marks never belonged. We come here from a new
side upon a truth which has been already expounded at length,
viz. that presentations are not given to us as individuals but as
changes in a continuum. Time and space—the instruments,
as it were, of individualization, which are presupposed in the
objective sciences—are psychologically later than this mere
differentiation.

The many vexed questions that arise concerning individual
identity are metaphysical rather than psychological. But it
will serve to bring out the difference between the
two forms of identity to note that an identification
cannot be established solely by qualitative comparison;
an ''alibi'' or a breach of temporal continuity will turn the
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Individual Identity.}}
flank of the strongest argument from resemblance. Moreover,
resemblance itself may be fatal to identification when the law
of being is change.
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41. As regards the real categories, it may be said generally
that these owe their origin in large measure to the anthropomorphic
or mythical tendency of human thought—&lt;span title=&quot;tò hómoion tō̃ͅ homoíōͅ ginṓskesthai&quot;&gt;{{Greek|τὸ
ὅμοιον τῷ ὁμοίῳ γινώσκεσθαι}}&lt;/span&gt;. Into the formation
of these conceptions two very distinct factors
enter—(1)&amp;nbsp;the facts of what in the stricter sense we call
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=8|Real Categories.}}
“self-consciousness,” and (2)&amp;nbsp;certain spatial and temporal relations
among our presentations themselves. On the one hand, it has
to be noted that these spatial and temporal relations are but the
occasion or motive—and ultimately perhaps, we may say, the
warrant—for the analogical attribution to things of selfness,
efficiency and design, but are not directly the source of the
forms of thought that thus arise. On the other hand, it is to
be noted also that such forms, although they have an independent
source, would never apart from suitable material come into
actual existence. If the followers of Hume err in their exclusive
reliance upon “associations naturally and even necessarily
generated by the order of our sensations” (J.&amp;nbsp;S. Mill), the disciple
of Kant errs also who relies exclusively on “the synthetic unity
of apperception.” The truth is that we are on the verge of error
in thus sharply distinguishing the two at all; if we do so momentarily
for the purpose of exposition it behoves us here again to
remember that mind grows and is not made. The use of terms
like “innate,” “a priori,” “necessary,” “formal,” &amp;c., without
further qualification leads only too easily to the mistaken notion
that all the mental facts so named are alike underived and original,
independent not only of experience but of each other; whereas
but for the forms of intuition the forms of thought would be
impossible—that is to say, we should never have a self-consciousness
at all if we had not previously learnt to distinguish occupied
and unoccupied space, past and present in time, and the like.
But, again, it is equally true that, if we could not feel and move
as well as receive impressions, and if experience did not repeat
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
itself, we should never attain even to this level of spatial and
temporal intuition. Kant shows a very lame and halting
recognition of this dependence of the higher forms on the lower
both in his schematism of the categories, and again in correcting
in his Analytic the opposition of sense and understanding as
respectively receptive and active with which he set out in his
Aesthetic. Still, although what are called the subjective and
objective factors of real knowledge advance together, the former
is in a sense always a step ahead. We find ''again'' without us
the permanence, individuality, efficiency, and adaptation we
have found ''first of all'' within (cf. §&amp;nbsp;20, ''b'' and ''d''). But such
primitive imputation of personality, though it facilitates a first
understanding, soon proves itself faulty and begets the contradictions
which have been one chief motive to philosophy. We
smile at the savage who thinks a magnet must need food or the
child who is puzzled that the horses in a picture remain for ever
still; but few consider that underlying all common-sense thinking
there lurks the same natural precipitancy. We attribute to
extended things a unity which we know only as the unity of an
unextended subject; we attribute to changes among these
extended things what we know only when we act and suffer
ourselves; and we attribute further to them in their changes
a striving for ends which we know only because we feel. In asking
what they are, how they act, and why they are thus and thus,
we assimilate them to ourselves, in spite of the differences which
lead us by-and-by to see a gulf between mind and matter. Such
instinctive analogies have, like other analogies, to be confirmed,
refuted, or modified by further knowledge, ''i.e.'' by the very
insight into things which these analogies have themselves made
possible. That in their first form they were mythical, and that
they could never have been at all unless originated in this way,
are considerations that make no difference to their
validity—assuming, that is, that they admit, now or hereafter, of a logical
transformation which renders them objectively valid. This
legitimation is, of course, the business of philosophy; we are
concerned only with the psychological analysis and origin of
the conceptions themselves.
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42. As it must here suffice to examine one of these categories;
let us take that which is the most important and central of the
three, viz. causality or the relation of cause and effect,
as that will necessarily throw some light upon the
constitution of the others. To begin, we must distinguish three things,
which, though very different, are very liable to be confused. (1)&amp;nbsp;Perceiving 
{{EB1911 Shoulder HeadingFine|width=8|Causality.}}
in a definite case, ''e.g.'' that on the sun shining a stone
becomes warm, we may say the sun makes the stone warm. This
is a concrete instance of predicating the causal relation. In this
there is, explicitly at all events, no statement of a general law or
axiom, such as we have when we say (2)&amp;nbsp;“Every event must have
a cause”—a statement commonly known as the principle of causality.
This again is distinct from what is on all hands allowed to be an
empirical generalization, viz. (3)&amp;nbsp;that such and such particular
causes have invariably such and such particular effects. With
these last psychology is not directly concerned at all: it has only
to analyse and trace to its origin the bare conception of causation
as expressed in (1) and involved in both these generalizations.
Whether only some events have causes, as the notion of chance
implies, whether all causes are uniform in their action or some
capricious and arbitrary, as the unreflecting suppose—all this is
beside the question for us.

One point in the analysis of the causal relation Hume may be
said to have settled once for all: it does not rest upon or contain
any immediate intuition of a causal nexus. The two relations that
Hume allowed to be perceived (or “presumed to exist”), viz.
contiguity in space of the objects causally related and priority in time
of the cause before the effect, are the only relations directly discernible.
We say indeed “The sun warms the stone” as readily as
we say “The sun rises and sets,” as if both were matters of direct
observation then and there. But that this is not so is evident from
the fact that only in some cases when one change follows upon
another do we regard it as following from the other: casual
coincidence is at least as common as causal connexion. Whence the
difference, then, if not from perception? Hume’s answer,&lt;ref&gt;
''Treatise of Human Nature'', pt. iii. § xiv., “of the idea of necessary
connexion.”
&lt;/ref&gt; repeated
in the main by English psychologists since, is, as all the world
knows, that the difference is the result of association, that when a
change {{Greek|α}} in an object A has been frequently observed to precede a
change {{Greek|β}} in another object B, this repetition ''determines''
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seen that desire in prompting to the search for means to its end
is the ''primum movens'' of intellection (cf. §&amp;nbsp;35). But intellect
does much more than devise and contrive in unquestioning
subservience to the impulse of the moment, like some demon of
Eastern fable; even the brutes, whose cunning is on the whole
of this sort, are not without traces of self-control. As motives
conflict and the evils of hasty action recur to mind, deliberation
succeeds to mere invention and design. In moments of leisure,
the more imperious cravings being stilled, besides the rehearsal
of failures or successes in the past, come longer and longer
flights of imagination into the future. Both furnish material for
intellectual rumination, and so we have at length (1)&amp;nbsp;concepts
of general and distant ends, as wealth, power, knowledge,
and—self-consciousness having arisen—that concept also of the
happiness or perfection of self, and (2)&amp;nbsp;maxims or practical
generalizations as to the best means to these ends. Instead of
actions determined by the ''vis a tergo'' of blind passion we have
conduct shaped by what is literally prudence or foresight, the
pursuit of ends that are not esteemed desirable till they are
judged to be good. The good, it is truly urged, is not to be
identified with the pleasant, for the one implies a standard and
a judgment, and the other nothing but a bare fact of feeling;
thus the good is often not pleasant and the pleasant not good; in
talking of the good, in short, we are passing out of the region of
nature into that of character. It is so, and yet this progress
is itself so far natural as to admit of psychological explication.
As already urged (§&amp;nbsp;34), the causes of feeling change as the constituents
of consciousness change; also they depend more upon
the form of that consciousness as this increases in complexity.
When we can deliberately range to and fro in time and
circumstances, the good that is not directly pleasant may indeed be
preferred to what is only pleasant while attention is confined
to the seen and sensible; but then the choice of such good is
itself pleasant—pleasanter than its rejection would have been.
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The mention of deliberation brings us to the perennial problem
of “the freedom of the will.” But to talk of will is to lapse into
the confusions of the old faculty—psychology. As
Locke long ago urged: “The question is not proper,
''whether the will be free'', but ''whether a man be free''.”&lt;ref&gt;
''Essay concerning Human Understanding'', II. xxi. §§ 16 sqq.
&lt;/ref&gt; In the absence
of external constraint, when a man does what ''he'' likes, we say
{{EB1911 Shoulder HeadingFine|Freedom.}}
he is “externally free”; but he may still be the slave of every
momentary impulse, and then it is said that he is not “internally”
free. The existence and nature of this internal freedom is the
problem. But if such freedom is held to imply a certain sovereignty
or autonomy of self over against momentary propensions and blind
desires, there can obviously be no question of its existence till
the level of self-consciousness is reached and maxims or principles
of action are possible. The young child, the brute and the
imbecile, even when they do as they like, have not this freedom, though
they may be said to act spontaneously. A resolutely virtuous
man will have more of this freedom than the man of good moral
disposition who often succumbs to temptation; but it is equally
true that the hardened sinner has more of it than one still deterred
in his evil ways by scruples of conscience. A man is internally
free, then, whenever the ends he pursues have his whole-hearted
approval, whether he say with Milton’s Satan, “Evil be thou my
good,” or with Jesus, “Thy will be done.” But this freedom is
always within our experience a relative freedom; hence at a later
time we often declare that in some past act of choice we were not
our true selves, not really free. But what is this true self more
than our ideal? Or perhaps we prefer to say that we were free
and could have acted otherwise; and no doubt we might, if the
place of the purely formal and abstract concept of self had been
occupied by some other phase of that empirical self which is
continuously but at no one moment completely, presented. It
must then be admitted that psychological analysis in this case is
not only actually imperfect, but must always remain so—so long,
at any rate, as all that we discern by reflection is less than all we are.
But this admission does not commit us to allowing the possible
existence of a ''liberum arbitrium indiferentiae'', sometimes called
“absolute indeterminism”; for that would seem to differ in no
respect from absolute chance or caprice. On the other hand, the
rigidly determinist position can only be psychologically justified
by ignoring the activity of the experiencing subject altogether.
At bottom it treats the analysis of conduct as if it were a dynamical
problem pure and simple. But motives are never merely so many
quantitative forces playing upon something inert, or interacting
entirely by themselves. At the level of self-consciousness
especi&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;ally
motives are reasons and reason is itself a motive. In the blind
struggle of so-called “self-regarding” impulses might is the only
right; but in the light of principles or practical maxims right is
the only might.&lt;ref&gt;
The right is only relative, of course, when the maxims are
“hypothetical”—to use Kant’s phrase,—but it is absolute when
the maxim is “categorical.”
&lt;/ref&gt; This superiority in position of principles is only
explicable by reference to the inhibitory power of attention, which
alone makes deliberation possible and is essentially voluntary;
that is, subjectively determined. But no, it may be objected,
deliberation in such cases is just the result of painful experiences
of the evil of hasty action, and only ensues when this motive is
strong enough to restrain the impulse that would otherwise prevail.
Even if this be granted, it does not prove that the subject’s action
is determined for and not by him; it merely states the obvious
fact that prudence and self-control are gradually acquired. Authoritative
principles of action, such as self-love and conscience, are
no more psychologically on a par with appetites and desires than
thought and reason are on a par with the association of ideas.
{{EB1911 fine print/e}}
{{center|''Relation of Body and Mind''.}}

47. The question of subjective initiative leads us naturally
to that concerning the connexion of mind and organism, to which
we now proceed. In development and efficiency, in
the intensity and complexity of their processes, mind
and brain keep invariably and exactly in line together. Striking
and impressive instances of this correspondence are to be
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading&amp;nbsp;|Parallelism.}}
found in comparative psychology, and especially in mental
pathology; but it is needless here to enlarge on a point which
in the main is beyond dispute. In this correspondence lay the
plausibility of the old materialism. But a closer scrutiny discloses
an equally impressive disparity: we reject materialism,
accordingly, while still maintaining this ''psychoneural parallelism''
to be a well-established fact. From this we must distinguish a
second sense of parallelism founded on the disparity just mentioned
as pertaining to the psychical and neural correlates. We
may call this ''physiologico-psychological'', or, more briefly,
''methodological'', ''parallelism''. It disclaims as illogical the attempt to
penetrate to psychical facts from the standpoint of physiology,
so persistently and confidently pursued by the old materialists.
It also forbids the psychologist to piece out his own shortcomings
with tags borrowed from the physiologist. The concepts of the
two sciences are to be kept distinct, as the facts themselves to
which they relate are distinct. Confusion is inevitable if the
psychologist, for example, talks of his volition as the cause of his
arm moving, when by arm movement he means the process
described by the physiologist in terms of efferent excitations,
muscular flexions, and so forth; or if the physiologist speaks of a
sensation of red as produced by retinal stimulation due to light-waves
of a certain length, when by sensation he means what
he immediately experiences on looking at a field poppy. This
methodological convention, as we may call it, implies a more
stringent interpretation of causation than that expounded by
J.&amp;nbsp;S. Mill and his contemporaries. It does not, however, forbid
psychological inferences on the basis of physiological facts, nor
vice versa. But in spite of this distinctness of the facts, and of
the standpoints from which they are respectively studied, their
causal relation cannot be simply ignored: it is, however, a problem
that pertains strictly to the higher standpoint of philosophy.
There have been in all four different theories of this relation
within modern times: (1)&amp;nbsp;that of mutual interaction—the
common-sense view—very inconsistently maintained by
Descartes; (2)&amp;nbsp;the “occasionalism” substituted for this by Geulincx
and the later Cartesians; (3)&amp;nbsp;the pre-established harmony of
Leibnitz; and (4)&amp;nbsp;the monism of Spinoza, which reduced matter
and mind to parallel attributes of the One Substance. The last
of these—severed, however, from Spinoza’s metaphysics—is still
perhaps the prevailing theory, and to it the term ''psychophysical''
''parallelism'' most properly applies. For whereas the parallelism
first mentioned states a real correspondence between psychical
processes and neural processes, but leaves open the question of
a possible interaction between matter and mind, modern
psychophysical parallelism is a pure hypothesis concerning the
relation of psychical facts to physical theories, on the ground of
which—as we shall presently see—any interaction between
matter and mind is expressly denied.
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      <text bytes="8865" sha1="i1jkkcuxeriwxnkbmkjhs2537g0953i" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;4&quot; user=&quot;DivermanAU&quot; /&gt;{{EB1911 Page Heading|610|PTERIDOPHYTA||  }}&lt;/noinclude&gt;The several orders of Lycopodiales described above, while
presenting a number of features in common, are distinctly
isolated from one another. A natural classification of such
specialized plants can only be obtained when the extinct forms
are more fully known. What is known at present, while it
does not indicate the phylogeny of the Lycopodiales, at least
shows that such living orders as Lycopodiaceae and Selaginellaceae
cannot be regarded as forming a linear series. The
difficulty is increased when it is borne in mind that the small
surviving forms probably have a long geological history, and may
have coexisted with the Lepidodendraceae. For these reasons
no attempt has been made to arrange the orders in larger divisions,
since such a division as that of the ligulate and eligulate
forms, while convenient for practical purposes, may not express
the phylogeny of the group. The Psilotaceae, formerly included
in the Lycopodiales, have been described separately
owing to their resemblance to the Sphenophyllales. It remains
to be mentioned that the Isoëtaceae have been regarded as more
nearly allied to the Filicales than to the former, near which they
are here placed.

V. {{sc|Ophioglossales.}}—The peculiarities of this small order
of Pteridophyta render their systematic position a matter of
doubt, especially in the absence of evidence as to their geological
history, and justify their separation for the present from the other
main natural groups. In the three genera, ''Ophioglossum'',
''Botrychium'' and ''Helminthostachys'', there is an underground
rhizome, from which one leaf or a few leaves with sheathing bases
are produced annually; the roots arise in more or less definite
relation to the insertion of the leaves. The latter are simple,
or irregularly lobed in ''Ophioglossum'', more or less compoundly
pinnate in ''Botrychium'' and palmately pinnate in ''Helminthostachys''.
The fertile branch or branches are situated on the adaxial surface
of the leaves, and may be simple, as in ''Ophioglossum'' (fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''d''),
or more or less compound, the degree of branching in the
sterile and fertile segments exhibiting a general parallelism.
The stem is monostelic, the arrangement of the xylem and
phloem being collateral. The endodermis and pericycle
surround the whole stele in ''Botrychium'' and ''Helminthostachys'';
in ''Ophioglossum'' each bundle has a separate sheath. Well-marked
secondary thickening occurs in ''Botrychium''. In the
roots of ''Ophioglossum'' and ''Botrychium'' and in the first formed
roots of ''Helminthostachys'' an endophytic fungus is present,
forming a mycorhiza—the stele in the larger roots has the usual
radial arrangement of xylem and phloem; monarch roots
occur in ''Ophioglossum''. The morphology of the fertile spike is
a disputed question, upon the answer to which the systematic
position of the Ophioglossaceae largely rests. The spike is most
simple in ''Ophioglossum'', where it bears on each side a row of
large sporangia, which hardly project from the surface, the
vascular bundles occupying a central position. In the young
spike, which arises when the leaf is still very small, a band of
tissue derived from superficial cells is distinguishable along
either side; this sporangiogenic band gives rise to the sporogenous
groups, the sterile septa between them, and the outer
walls of the sporangia. The spike of ''Helminthostachys'' corresponds
to that of ''Ophioglossum'', but in it the sporangia are
borne on two lateral rows of branched sporangiophores. The
sporangia themselves resemble those of ''Botrychium'', which project
from the ultimate subdivisions of the branched spike; each is
developed from a number of cells, the sporogenous tissue arising
from a single cell. Two diverse views of the morphology of
the fertile spike in these plants have been entertained. The
older view was that it was a fertile segment of the leaf; and
though its ventral position presents a difficulty, this must be
regarded as a possible explanation; the occasional occurrence
of sporangia on the lamina in ''Botrychium'' has been regarded as
supporting it. On the other hand, the spike has been explained
as due to the elaboration of a single sporangium
occupying a similar position with regard to the leaf as in the
Lycopodiales, and evidence of considerable weight has been
brought forward in support of this interpretation. The important
bearing of this question on the relationship of the
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
Ophioglossaceae to the phyla of the Filicales and Lycopodiales
will be obvious.
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The position of the fertile spike in relation to the leaf corresponds
to that of the synangium or sporangiophores in the Psilotales and
Sphenophyllales. The Ophioglossaceae are homosporous, and the
prothalli, which are known in species of all three genera, are subterranean
and saprophytic (fig.&amp;nbsp;1, ''f'', ''g''). The prothallus of
''O.&amp;nbsp;pedunculosum'', as observed by Mettenius, subsequently reached the
surface and produced green lobes; those of the other species known
are wholly saprophytic, and contain an endophytic fungus. Those
of ''Ophioglossum'' are cylindrical, while the dorsiventral prothallus
of ''Botrychium'' bears the sexual organs on the upper surface. They
present a general, but probably homoplastic, resemblance to the
saprophytic prothalli of certain ''Lycopodia''. Important points of
difference exist, however, in the apical position of the meristem
of the Ophioglossaceous prothalli, in the presence of a basal cell to
the archegonium, and in the multiciliate spermatozoids. In these
respects, in the megaphyllous habit and in certain anatomical
features, the Ophioglossaceae approach the Filicales. Some species
of ''Botrychium'' have recently been found to have embryos provided
with a suspensor. The position of the Ophioglossaceae can at
present only be regarded as an open question, in considering which
the possible antiquity of the group must be borne in mind.

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VI. {{sc|Filicales.}}—This group of Pteridophyta differs from the
others in being well represented in our present flora by forms,
many of which can be regarded not as archaic types which
have persisted to the present day, but as having been evolved
in comparatively recent periods. The Ferns exhibit a wide
range in size from the minute epiphytic Hymenophyllaceae,
with leaves barely a centimetre in length, to gigantic tree-ferns
80&amp;nbsp;ft. or more in height. A general characteristic of their habit
is the large size of the leaves, which are often highly compound,
relatively to the stem. Some ferns have a longer or shorter
erect stem often clothed by the persistent bases of the leaves;
in others the stem creeps on the surface of the substratum or is
subterranean. Its surface is clothed with filamentous or scaly
hairs (paleae), which protect the growing point; and adventitious
roots spring from it. The position of the branches varies
in the group; they are only exceptionally axillary (Hymenophyllaceae,
Botryopterideae). The anatomy of the stele in the stem
exhibits on the whole a progression from a solid protostele
through a tubular solenostele to one or more circles of separate
steles derived by the breaking up of the solenostele. The leaf-traces
usually interrupt the continuity of
the stele of the axis on their departure.
The sporangia are borne in groups (sori)
on the under surface of the leaves; sometimes
the fertile leaves differ more or less
from the purely vegetative ones. The
form of the sorus and the structure of
the sporangium are of great systematic
importance. The sorus is frequently protected
by an outgrowth from the surface
or margin of the leaf called the indusium.
Heterospory is only known in the Hydropterideae.
The prothallus developed
from the spore is green and in most
cases dorsiventral, bearing the archegonia
and antheridia on the under surface.

Some of the more striking adaptive
modifications in the gametophyte and
sporophyte, and certain effects of altered
external conditions which have
been ascertained experimentally, may be
briefly mentioned. The dorsiventrality
of the prothallus has been shown to
depend mainly on the illumination, the
filamentous form being retained in feeble
light; a similar result is obtained when the
prothalli are cultivated in water. These
facts may have a bearing on the filamentous
prothalli of some Hymenophyllaceae.
The reproduction of the prothallus by
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The phenomena of apogamy and apospory which have now been
observed in a number of Ferns, may be mentioned here. In
the former the prothallus produces one or more fern-plants
vegetatively, the projection which develops into the sporophyte
in many cases occupying the position of an archegonium. In
some apogamous Ferns sporangia may occur on the prothallus
and the vegetative organs of the sporophyte may also occur
singly. In apospory the converse phenomenon is seen, the
gametophyte springing vegetatively from the sporangium, receptacle
of the sorus, or leaf-margin of the fern-plant. In a
number of cases, though not in all, apospory appears to be
correlated with a failure of the sporangia to develop.

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| ''A'', Prothallus viewed from the lower surface; ''ar'', archegonia; ''an'', antheridia; ''rh'', rhizoids (much enlarged).
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The adaptations in the vegetative organs of the sporophyte are
similar to those in the Flowering Plants. Thus there are a few
Ferns which climb, others are
water plants, while many,
especially those which live as
epiphytes, are more or less
xerophytic. Some of the epiphytic
forms (''Polypodium quercifolium'',
''Platycerium'') have strongly dimorphic
leaves, the sterile leaves
serving in some cases to catch
falling débris, and thus to provide
the plant with soil. Lastly, the
symbiotic relation between the
plant and ants is found in Ferns,
the rhizome of ''Polypodium''
''carnosum'' containing cavities inhabited
by these insects. The
existence of these myrmecophilous
Ferns suggests a possible explanation
of the nectaries on the leaves
of some other species, such as the
Common Bracken.

The main existing groups of the Filicaceae may now be briefly
described, with special reference to the characters of gametophyte
and sporophyte, which have been found of value in determining
affinities.
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Marattiaceae.—These are ferns of considerable size, the large
leaves of which are borne on a short, erect, swollen stem (''Angiopteris'',
''Marattia''), or arise from a more or less horizontal rhizome (''Danaea'',
''Kaulfussia''). The leaves, at the base of which are two large stipule-like
outgrowths, have a thick leaf-stalk, and are simple or simply
pinnate in ''Danaea'', pinnate in ''Archangiopteris'', bi- to tri-pinnate
in ''Marattia'' and ''Angiopteris'', and digitately lobed in ''Kaulfussia''.
The stem, from the ground tissue of which sclerenchyma is absent,
has a complicated system of steles arranged in concentric circles;
the thick roots, the central cylinders of which have several alternating
groups of xylem and phloem, arise in relation to these. The
pinnae, except in a few filmy forms, are thick; in ''Kaulfussia'' large
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
pores derived from stomata occur in the epidermis. The sori are
borne on the under surface of the pinnae, usually in a single row on
either side of the midrib, but in ''Kaulfussia'' dotted over the expanded
lamina. The large sporangia, each of which originates from a
number of superficial cells, are here incompletely separated from one
another and arranged in a single circle forming a synangium. The
association is closest in ''Danaea'', where the individual sporangia of
the elongated sorus, which is sunk in a depression of the leaf, open
by pores; in ''Marattia'' and ''Kaulfussia'' (fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''e'') they dehisce by slits
on the inner face; while in ''Angiopteris'' (fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''f'') they are almost
free from one another. The spores produce a green prothallus of
large size, the sexual organs of which hardly project from the surface.
The cotyledon and stem grow up vertically through the prothallus,
the root turning downwards into the soil.

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Osmundaceae.—The two genera of this group, ''Osmunda'' and
''Todea'', have thick erect stems, covered with the closely crowded leaf
bases. The stem is monostelic, the vascular tissues being separated
into curved groups comparable with collateral vascular bundles,
which surround the pith. The somewhat thick roots are diarch.
The leaves are large and pinnate; their, lamina is usually thick,
though filmy species of ''Todea'' occur. The leaf-base shows indications
of stipular outgrowths. In ''Todea'' the sori, each of which
consists of a single circle of bulky sporangia, are borne on the under
surface of the pinnae. In ''Osmunda'' the region of the leaf which
bears the sporangia has its lamina little developed; the leaf thus
bears sterile and fertile pinnae, or, as in ''O.&amp;nbsp;cinnamomea'', sterile and
fertile leaves may be present. The sporangia originate from single
cells, though surrounding cells may contribute to the formation of the
stalk. The latter is thick and short, and the wall of the sporangium,
which opens by a median slit, has a group of thick-walled cells at
the summit, forming the annulus. The prothalli are similar to those
of the other Filicaceae, but more massive; the same may be said
of the archegonia and antheridia, which, however, project more than
in the preceding group.

Schizaeaceae.—The anatomy of the stem differs in the four recent
genera of this order, and presents a series possibly illustrating the
origin of a number of concentric steles from a solid stele, the intermediate
step being represented by those forms in which the central
cylinder is tubular. The sporangia are borne singly or in sori of two
or three on the margin or under surface of leaves, the fertile pinnae of
which differ more or less from the sterile segments. The sporangium
is of considerable size, and dehisces by a median slit, the annulus
being a more or less definitely limited horizontal ring of cells near
the apex. The prothallus and sexual organs may resemble those
of the Polypodiaceae; in ''Aneimia'' and ''Mohria'' the prothallus, though
flattened, is not bilaterally symmetrical, the growing point being on
one side; a filamentous type of prothallus is known in ''Schizaea''.

Gleicheniaceae.—These forms have a horizontal rhizome, from
which simply pinnate leaves arise in ''Platyzoma'', while ''Gleichenia''
bears compound pinnate leaves with continued apical growth. The
rhizome usually has a solid central cylinder in ''Gleichenia'', while that
of ''Platyzoma'' is tubular. The sporangia arise simultaneously in the
sorus, which is borne on the under surface of the ordinary pinna;
in those species with large sporangia the latter form a single circle,
in others sporangia may also arise from the central part of the
receptacle. The annulus is horizontal and the dehiscence median.
The prothalli, while resembling those of the Polypodiaceae, have
points of similarity with those of the preceding groups.

Matoniaceae.—This contains the single genus ''Matonia'', two species
of which are known from the eastern tropics. They are of special
interest, since they have been shown to be the surviving forms of
a group species which have been identified from Jurassic and
Cretaceous rocks. The living species have a long rhizome, from the
upper surface of which the large leaves arise; these are branched
in a pedate manner, each branch being pinnate. The structure of
the rhizome is complicated, a transverse section showing that the
centre may be occupied by a solid stele, outside of which are two
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{{EB1911 fine print/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;each consisting of a single series of large sporangia covered by a
coriaceous indusium, which is attached to the central part of the
receptacle. The sporangium, which corresponds on the whole
to that of the Gleicheniaceae, has a somewhat oblique annulus; the
dehiscence also is not truly median. The gametophyte is unknown.

Loxsomaceae.—The single genus ''Loxsoma'' has a tubular stele in
its rhizome, which bears leaves resembling those of some ''Davallias''.
The elongated receptacle of the marginal sori is surrounded by a
basal cup-shaped indusium. The sporangia, which arise in basipetal
succession on the receptacle, dehisce by a median slit, though the
annulus is somewhat oblique; they have resemblances to the
Gleicheniaceae. When mature, the sporangia are raised above the margin of
the indusium by the elongation of the receptacle, thus facilitating
the dispersion of the spores. The gametophyte is unknown.

Hymenophyllaceae.—This group, which contains the two genera
''Hymenophyllum'' and ''Trichomanes'', is characterized by the prevalent
“filmy” texture of the leaves. Many of the species inhabit
situations in which the air is constantly moist, especially in the
tropics; some are terrestrial; others, some of which are very minute,
are epiphytic on tree-stems. A single solid central cylinder is found
in the rhizome. The sori, which are marginal, have a long receptacle,
bearing the sporangia in basipetal succession, and are surrounded
by a cup-shaped indusium. The sporangia present a considerable
range in size, the largest being found in species of ''Hymenophyllum'',
the smallest in ''Trichomanes''. Each has an almost horizontal
annulus resembling that of ''Gleichenia'', but the dehiscence is lateral.
The gametophyte in ''Hymenophyllum'' is flat and variously lobed;
that of ''Trichomanes'' may be similar, but in other species is filamentous.
The archegonia and antheridia present points of similarity to those
of the Gleicheniaceae.

Cyatheaceae.—This order includes the majority of existing tree-ferns,
as well as some of smaller size. The stem has a ring of flattened
steles. The sorus has a somewhat elongated receptacle, on which
the sporangia arise basipetally; the indusium may be cup-shaped,
bivalve or wanting. The dehiscence of the sporangium is almost
transverse, as in the Polypodiaceae, but the annulus is slightly
oblique. The prothalli correspond to those of the next group.

Polypodiaceae.—This group, which contains the remaining ferns,
includes a number of distinct lines of descent and will doubtless
require subdivision as our knowledge of the morphology of the genera
classed in it becomes extended. Space will not allow of an account
of the progress already made in this direction. The stem in the more
primitive forms has a tubular stele (solenostele); for the most part
two to many steles, arranged in a ring (dictyostele). In a number of
genera, which there is reason to regard as relatively primitive,
the sporangia show the same regular basipetal succession as in some
of the preceding groups; in the great majority, however, the succession
is not regular, but those of various ages are intermixed in the
sorus (fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''g''). The sporangia dehisce by a transverse slit, the
annulus being truly vertical or, in some of the genera in which they
are regularly arranged, very slightly oblique. The structure of the
prothallus and sexual organs will be evident from figs.&amp;nbsp;7, 8 and 9;
some of the more interesting modifications have been referred to
above.
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Our knowledge of the extinct Filicales cannot be readily
summarized, since it is in a transition state, owing to the recent
evidence which has shown that many of the fern-like plants of
the Palaeozoic period belonged to a group of seed-bearing plants
derived from a filicineous ancestry. There is, however, abundant
evidence that the Ferns were represented in the most ancient
floras known, though they were not such a dominant group as
has hitherto been supposed. The best known of these ancient
Ferns belong to the Botryopterideae; the characters of this
group point to its having been the starting-point of several series
of existing Ferns (see {{EB1911 article link|Palaeobotany}}: ''Palaeozoic'').

A consideration of the Filicaceae as arranged above will show
that the several sub-orders may in general terms be said to form
a series between those in which the sorus consists of a single
circle of bulky sporangia and those Polypodiaceae in which the
numerous small sporangia appear to be grouped without order
in the sorus. When the survey is extended to the extinct Ferns
of which the fructification is known, many of those from the
more ancient rocks are found to group themselves with the existing
sub-orders with large sporangia, such as the Marattiaceae,
Gleicheniaceae and Schizaeaceae; the Polypodiaceae, on the
other hand, do not appear until much later. The extinct forms
cannot be dealt with in detail here; but it may be pointed out
that their order of appearance affords a certain amount of direct
evidence that the existing Ferns with a single circle of large
sporangia in the sorus are relatively primitive. The series
which can be constructed from a study of the sorus is in general
supported by the anatomy of the sporophyte, and by the
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structure and sexual organs of the gametophyte. A more detailed
investigation of all the characters of the Ferns will be needed
before the course of evolution thus broadly indicated can be
traced, but the results obtained afford a deeper insight into the
general method of progression and the selective factors in the
process. On the ground mainly of an examination of the sorus
and sporangium, Bower has shown that the Filicaceae may be
divided into three groups—the ''Simplices'', ''Gradatae'' and ''Mixtae''—in
which the sporangia arise simultaneously, in basipetal
succession, or irregularly in the sorus respectively. The first
includes the Marattiaceae, Osmundaceae, Schizaeaceae, Gleicheniaceae
and Matoniaceae; the second the Loxsomaceae,
Hymenophyllaceae, Cyatheaceae and the Dennstaedtineae (a group
including species placed in the ''Synopsis Filicum'' in ''Dicksonia''
and ''Davallia''); while the remaining Polypodiaceae constitute the
Mixtae. The change from the one type of sorus to the other
may have taken place in several different lines of descent, some
of which have been traced. A consideration of the biology of
the sorus gives an insight into the advantages obtained by the
one type over the preceding, as regards protection, spore production
and the dispersal of the spores, and thus indicates the
way in which natural selection may have acted. The differences
in the form and mode of dehiscence of the sporangia (those of
the Simplices having median dehiscence and a horizontal annulus,
those of the Gradatae a more or less oblique position of the
annulus and of the plane of dehiscence, while in the Mixtae the
annulus is vertical and the dehiscence transverse) stand in relation
to the position of the sporangia in the sorus relatively to
one another. The application of the important criteria which
Bower has thus pointed out to the construction of a strictly
phylogenetic classification of the Filicaceae cannot be made
until the anatomy, the sexual generation and the palaeobotanical
evidence have been further examined from this point of view.
Though on this account and because the subdivisions Simplices,
Gradatae and Mixtae do not correspond to definite phylogenetic
groups, they have not been used in classifying the Ferns above;
they are of great importance as an advance towards a natural
classification.

{{sc|Hydropterideae.}}—Two very distinct orders of heterosporous
Filicales, the Salviniaceae and the Marsiliaceae, are included
in this group. The difficulty of determining their exact
relationship to the other orders of Ferns is increased by the more
or less completely aquatic habit of the plants and the modifications
and reductions in structure associated with this. The
absence of an annulus from their indehiscent sporangia makes it
impossible to compare them with the other Ferns in respect of
this important character. It has been suggested with considerable
probability that the Marsiliaceae are allied to the
Schizaeaceae, while the Salviniaceae may possibly be related to
the Hymenophyllaceae or to some other family of the Gradatae.
Space will only permit of a brief general account of the more
obvious features of the several genera, the structure and life-history
of which are known in great detail. Unlike as they are
in many respects, the two orders agree in being heterosporous.
The microspores on germination produce a small, greatly reduced
male prothallus bearing one or two antheridia which give rise to
a number of spirally coiled, multiciliate spermatozoids. The
single large megaspore contained in each megasporangium produces
a small prothallus, which bears one or a few archegonia;
these are exposed on the surface of the prothallus at the summit
of the germinated megaspore {{nowrap|(fig. 1, ''i''&amp;#8198;).}}
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1. The Salviniaceae include the two genera ''Salvinia'' (fig. 10) and
''Azolla''. The small dorsiventral plants are in both cases floating
aquatics. ''Azolla'' has roots depending from the lower surface of the
stem into the water, while these organs are completely wanting in
''Salvinia'', their place being taken functionally by highly divided
leaves borne on the ventral surface of the stem. ''Nostoc'' colonies are
constantly present in a special cavity of the dorsal lobe of the leaf in
''Azolla''. The sporangia in both genera are associated in sori enclosed
by indusia springing from the base of the receptacle. In ''Salvinia''
(fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''h'') the sori are borne towards the base of the submerged
leaves, in ''Azolla'' on the reduced ventral lobe of the leaf. They consist
either of microsporangia or megasporangia, which are arranged in
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are united by means of hardened protoplasm into one or
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2. The Marsiliaceae also include two genera, ''Marsilia'' and ''Pilularia'',
the latter of which is found in Britain. The plants grow as a rule
in marshy places, though some species of ''Marsilia'' are xerophytic.
The creeping stem produces roots from the ventral surface and leaves
from the dorsal surface; the leaves when young are circinately coiled.
The leaves are simple and linear in ''Pilularia'', but in ''Marsilia'' bear
a pinnate four-lobed lamina. The highly specialized sporocarps are
borne on the basal portions of the leaves, as a rule singly, but in some
species of ''Marsilia'' in numbers. The development of the sporocarp
shows that it corresponds to a pinna, although when mature it may
appear to occupy a ventral position in relation to the vegetative
portion of the leaf. It has a complicated structure in both genera;
in ''Pilularia'' its shape is nearly spherical, while in ''Marsilia'' it is elongated
and bean-shaped. The sori are developed in depressions and
are thus protected within the resistent&lt;!--valid alternate spelling, also used in &quot;Horace&quot; article--&gt; outer wall of the sporocarp.
There are usually four sori in ''Pilularia'', while in ''Marsilia'' they form
two longitudinal rows. Each sorus includes both microsporangia,
with numerous spores, and megasporangia, each of which contains
a single megaspore with a complicated wall. Enclosed within the
sporocarp they can endure a period of drought, but on the return
of moist conditions are extruded from the sporocarp by the swelling
of a special mucilaginous tissue and the spores become free. The
development of the prothalli is in general similar to that of the
Salviniaceae, though the resemblance may be homoplastic. The stem
in the less reduced forms is solenostelic with sclerenchymatous ground
tissue occupying the centre of the stele.
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In the absence of direct evidence from Palaeobotany, and
bearing in mind the modifications associated with adaptation
to an aquatic life in other plants, the recognition of any more
definite affinity for these heterosporous ferns than that indicated
above appears to be inadvisable. Further evidence is necessary
before they can be removed from such a position of convenience
as is assigned to them here and placed in proper relation to the
series of the Filicaceae.

The several phyla of Pteridophyta having now been briefly
described, their relationship to one another remains for
consideration. The available evidence does not suffice
to solve this question, although certain indications
exist. In the earliest land vegetations of which we have any
sufficient record specialized forms of Equisetales, Lycopodiales,
{{EB1911 Shoulder Heading|width=7|Phylogeny.}}
Sphenophyllales and Filicales existed, so that we are reduced to
hypotheses founded on the careful comparison of the recent and
extinct members of these groups. In this connexion it may be
pointed out that the fuller study of the extinct forms has as yet
been of most use in emphasizing the difficulty of the questions at
issue. It has thus led to a condition of uncertainty as regards the
relationship of the great groups of Vascular Cryptogams, in
which, however, lies the hope of an ultimate approach to a
satisfactory solution. The study of the Sphenophyllales, however,
as has been pointed out above, appears to indicate that
the Equisetales and Lycopodiales may be traced back to a common
ancestry. As to the relationship of the Filicales to the
other phyla, evidence from extinct plants appears to be wanting.
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
If, as has been suggested by Bower, the strobiloid types are
relatively primitive, the large-leaved Pteridophyta must be
supposed to have arisen early from such forms. The question
cannot be discussed fully here, but enough has been said above
to show that in the light of our present knowledge the main
phyla of the Vascular Cryptogams cannot be placed in any serial
relationship to one another.

It may even be regarded as an open question whether some of
them may not have arisen independently and represent parallel
lines of evolution from Bryophytic or Algal forms. This leads
us to consider the question whether any indications exist
as to the manner in which the Pteridophyta arose. It will be
evident that no direct record of this evolution can be expected,
and recourse must be had to hypotheses founded on the indirect
evidence available. There appears to be no reason to doubt
that the sexual generation is homologous with the thallus of a
Liverwort, or of such an Alga as ''Coleochaete''. It is with regard
to the origin of the spore-bearing generation of the Pteridophyta
that differences of opinion exist. This, though at first dependent
on the prothallus, soon becomes independent. It may be
regarded as derived from a wholly dependent sporogonium not
unlike that of some of the simpler Bryophyta; the latter are
assumed to have arisen from primitive Algal forms, in which, as
the first step in the interpolation of the second generation in
the life cycle, the, fertilized ovum gave rise to a group of swarm
spores, each of which developed into a new sexual plant. On
this view the origin of the sporophyte is looked for in the gradual
development of sterile tissue in the generation arising from the
fertilized ovum, and a consequent postponement of spore-formation.
Certain green Algae (''e.g.'' ''Oedogonium'', ''Coleochaete''), the
Bryophyta, and the simpler Pteridophyta, such as ''Phylloglossum'',
have been regarded as illustrating the method of
progression, though there is no reason to regard the existing
forms as constituting an actual series. For a discussion of
this view, which regards the alternation of generations in
Pteridophytes as antithetic and the two generations as
not homologous with one another, reference may be made
to the works of Celakovsky and Bower. Although the antithetic
theory is supported by many facts regarding the life-history
and structure of the group of plants under consideration,
it is quite possible that a stage in which the sporophyte was
wholly dependent on the gametophyte may never have been
passed through in their evolution. The spore-bearing generation
may throughout its phylogenetic history have been independent
at one part of its life, and have been derived by
modification of individuals homologous with those of the sexual
generation, and not by the progressive sterilization of a structure
the whole of which was originally devoted to asexual reproduction.
A number of facts regarding the Algae, and also those
relating to such deviations from the normal life cycle as apogamy
or apospory, may be regarded as lending support to this view,
which, in contrast to the theory of antithetic alternation, has
been called that of homologous alternation. Without entering
further into the discussion of these alternative theories, for
which the literature of the subject must be consulted, it may be
pointed out that on the latter view the strobiloid forms of
Pteridophyta would not necessarily be regarded as primitive
relatively to the large-leaved forms, and also that the early stages
of the origin of the sporophyte in the two cases may have proceeded
on different lines.

Another question of great interest, which can only be touched
upon here and may fitly close the consideration of this division
of the Vegetable Kingdom, concerns the evidence as to the
derivation of higher groups from the Pteridophyta. The most
important positive evidence on this point indicates that the most
ancient Gymnosperms were derived from the Filicales rather
than from any other phylum of the Vascular Cryptogams.
Extinct forms are known intermediate between the Ferns and
the Cycads, and a number of these have been shown to bear seeds
and must be classed as Pteridospermae. These forms will,
however, be found discussed in the articles treating of extinct
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''Cultivation''.—Numerous species of ferns, both temperate and
tropical, are cultivated as valued ornamental plants. Species of the
other groups are occasionally grown for scientific purposes in the
larger botanic gardens, but their cultivation, which often presents
special difficulties, need not be referred to here. While a number of
ferns can be multiplied vegetatively, by buds formed on the leaves
and in other ways, the regular mode of propagation is by sowing the
spores shed from the ripe sporangia. The spores should be thinly
sprinkled on the surface of the soil in well-drained pots, which should
stand in saucers filled with water and be covered with glass plates.
After the prothalli have attained some size and bear sexual organs
the pots should be occasionally sunk in water so as to flood the prothalli
for a few minutes and facilitate fertilization. The young
plants developed on the prothalli should be carefully pricked out
into other pans and later transferred to 3-in. pots. When the pots
are fairly filled with roots the plants may be shifted into larger ones.

The best time for a general repotting of ferns is in spring, just
before growth commences. Those with creeping rhizomes can be
propagated by dividing these into well-rooted portions, and, if a
number of crowns is formed, they can be divided at that season.
In most cases this can be performed with little risk, but the
''Gleichenias'', for example, must only be cut into large portions, as small
divisions of the rhizomes are almost certain to die; in such cases,
however, the points of the rhizomes can be led over and layered into
small pots, several in succession, and allowed to remain unsevered
from the parent plant until they become well rooted. In potting
the well-established plants, and all those of considerable size, the
soil should be used in a rough turfy state, not sifted but broken,
and one-sixth of broken crocks or charcoal and as much sand as will
insure free percolation should be mixed with it.

The stove ferns require a day temperature of 65° to 75°, but do
not thrive in an excessively high or close dry atmosphere. They
require only such shade as will shut out the direct rays of the sun,
and, though abundant moisture must be supplied, the atmosphere
should not be loaded with it. The water used should always be at
or near the temperature of the house in which the plants are growing.
Some ferns, as the different kinds of ''Gymnogrammae'' and ''Cheilanthes'',
prefer a drier atmosphere than others, and the former do not well
bear a lower winter temperature than about 60° by night. Most
other stove ferns, if dormant, will bear a temperature as low as
55° by night and 60° by day from November to February. About
the end of the latter month the whole collection should be turned
out of the pots and redrained or repotted into larger pots as required.
This should take place before growth has commenced. Towards
the end of March the night temperature may be raised to 60°, and
the day temperature to 70° or 75°, the plants being shaded in bright
weather. Such ferns as ''Gymnogrammas'', which have their surface
covered with golden or silver powder, and certain species of scaly-surfaced
''Cheilanthes'' and ''Nothochlaena'', as they cannot bear to have
their fronds wetted, should never be syringed; but most other ferns
may have a moderate sprinkling occasionally (not necessarily daily)
and as the season advances sufficient air and light must be admitted.

{{sc|Authorities.}}—Scott, ''Structural Botany: Flowerless Plants''
(London, 1896), ''Studies in Fossil Botany'' (Edinburgh, 1900);* Campbell,
''Mosses and Ferns'' (London, 1895);* Engler and Prantl, ''Die'' 
''naturlichen Pflanzenfamilien'' (Theil i. Abth. 4.; Leipzig, 1898-1902);
Bower, ''The Origin of a Land Flora'' (London, 1908); Goebel, ''Organography'' 
''of Plants'' (Oxford, 1905); Hooker and Baker, ''Synopsis'' 
''Filicum'' (London, 1874); Baker, ''Fern Allies'' (London, 1887); Christ,
''Die &lt;span style=&quot;border-bottom: 1px dashed red;&quot; title=&quot;amended from 'Fankräuter'&quot;&gt;Farnkräuter&lt;/span&gt; der Erde'' (Jena, 1897); Seward, ''Fossil Botany'', vol.&amp;nbsp;i.
(Cambridge, 1898). In those works marked with an asterisk copious
references to the recent literature of the subject will be found.
{{Fs|108%|{{EB1911 footer initials|William Henry Lang|W. H. L.}}}}
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&lt;section end=&quot;Pteridophyta&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Pterobranchia&quot; /&gt;'''PTEROBRANCHIA,''' a zoological group established by Ray
Lankester in 1877. It contained at that time the single genus
''Rhabdopleura'', a minute animal dredged by Sars off the Lofoten
Islands, and by Norman off the Shetlands. ''Rhabdopleura'' was
at first regarded as an aberrant Polyzoon, but with the publication
of the ''Challenger Report'' (''Cephalodiscus'') in 1887, it became
clear that ''Cephalodiscus'', the second genus now included in the
order, had affinities in the direction of the Enteropneusta. The
connexion of the Pterobranchia with the Polyzoa is in the highest
degree questionable.

''Rhabdopleura'' is no doubt of world-wide distribution, since it
has been recorded in various localities from Greenland to South
Australia, usually in water of not less than forty fathoms.
''Cephalodiscus'', which for many years was known solely as the
result of a single dredging by the “Challenger” from 245&amp;nbsp;fathoms
in the Straits of Magellan, has recently been found in entirely
different parts of the world, as for instance between Japan and
Korea at 100&amp;nbsp;fathoms, at about half that depth off the south-east
coast of Celebes, and between tide-marks on the coast of Borneo.
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
It appears to be common in the neighbourhood of Cape Town,
while the recent Antarctic expeditions have shown that it occurs
in various localities from the Falkland Islands to the Antarctic
circle. No less than twelve species, referred to three sub-genera
(''Demiothecia'', ''Idiothecia'', ''Orthoecus''), have now been described;
but it is at present uncertain whether more than a single species
of ''Rhabdopleura'' is valid, although several specific names have
been suggested for specimens from different localities.

Both genera are characterized by their habit of secreting a
tubular gelatinoid investment, the “coenoecium,” composed of
a number of superposed lamellae, doubtless the result of its
intermittent secretion, mainly though perhaps not exclusively, by
the proboscides of the zooids. In ''Rhabdopleura'' each zooid forms
its own delicate tube composed of a characteristic series of distinct
rings. In ''Cephalodiscus'' the coenoecium is more massive, and
may contain a continuous irregular cavity in which the zooids
live (''Demiothecia''), or may be secreted in such a way that each
zooid has its own independent tube (''Idiothecia'', ''Orthoecus'').
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The zooids are a modification of the type of structure known
in ''Balanoglossus'', from which they differ principally in the following
respects: (i.)&amp;nbsp;The alimentary canal, instead of being straight,
has a U-shaped flexure, the dorsal line between the mouth and
the anus being short. (ii.)&amp;nbsp;The proboscis (fig.&amp;nbsp;1,&amp;nbsp;''b''), known as
the “buccal shield,” is a large organ, strongly flattened in an
antero-posterior direction, its ventral lobe usually concealing the
mouth. (iii.)&amp;nbsp;The collar is produced dorsally into arms (one pair
in ''Rhabdopleura'', four to eight pairs in ''Cephalodiscus''), each of
which bears numerous ciliated tentacles, the organs by which the
microscopic food-particles are conveyed to the mouth. (iv.)&amp;nbsp;The
third division of the body, the metasome, is prolonged ventrally
into a relatively enormous outgrowth containing the loop of the
alimentary canal, beyond which projects a stalk (fig.&amp;nbsp;1,&amp;nbsp;''c''), of a
length varying with the state of contraction and perhaps with the
species. (v.)&amp;nbsp;The stalk gives rise to buds, by which the colonial
habit is acquired. While in ''Rhabdopleura'' the buds remain in
organic continuity with the parent, in ''Cephalodiscus'' they become
free at an early stage, and the coenoecium accordingly contains a
number of separate individuals. In the living ''Cephalodiscus'' a zooid
can crawl by means of its proboscis over the gelatinous processes
of the outer side of the coenoecium, a position which it can assume
owing to the very great extensibility of the stalk, the proximal
suctorial end of which remains attached to the inner surface of
some part of the coenoecium (Andersson, 1907).
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{{sc|Fig.}} 1.—Zooid of ''Cephalodiscus dodecalophus''.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''a'',&amp;nbsp;''a'',
|&amp;nbsp;Buds.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''d'',
|&amp;nbsp;Arms and tentacles.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''b'',
|&amp;nbsp;Proboscis.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''e'',
|{{nowrap|&amp;nbsp;Ventral edge of proboscis.}}
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''c'',
|&amp;nbsp;Stalk.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''f'',
|&amp;nbsp;Its dorsal edge.
|}
In correspondence with the fundamental constitution of the zooid,
each of the three segments has its own body-cavity separated from
the others. The main proboscis-cavity (fig.&amp;nbsp;2, ''b.c.''{{sup|1}}) is unpaired,
and opens to the exterior by the two proboscis pores&amp;nbsp;(''p.p.''). It
contains a closed vesicle regarded by Schepotieff as a right proboscis-cavity
and in any case representing the pericardium of ''Balanoglossus'',
the glomerulus of which is also probably represented. The collar-cavity
(''b.c.''{{sup|2}}) is paired, although its ventral mesentery is not complete.
It extends into the arms, which originate in the bud (fig.&amp;nbsp;1) as dorsal
outgrowths of the collar. The ventral and lateral parts of the anterior&lt;section end=&quot;Pterobranchia&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;
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{{EB1911 fine print/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;margin of the collar constitute the so-called operculum (''op.''), a
structure which not only acts as a lower lip, but must be important
in separating the food-current produced by the cilia of the tentacles
from the external apertures of the collar-canals and gill-slits. The
collar-canals (fig.&amp;nbsp;3,&amp;nbsp;''c.p.'') are a pair of ovoid organs which open from
the collar-cavity to the exterior, their external pores lying immediately
behind the base of the operculum.

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|width=400px colspan=4|{{sc|Fig. 2.}}—Median (sagittal) section of ''Cephalodiscus dodecalophus''.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''a'',
|&amp;nbsp;Anus.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''op.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Operculum, or ventral lip.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''b.c''{{sup|1}}.,
|&amp;nbsp;Body-cavity of proboscis.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''ov.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Ovary.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''b.c''{{sup|2}}.,
|&amp;nbsp;Of collar.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''ovd.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Oviduct.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''b.c''{{sup|3}}.,
|&amp;nbsp;Of metasome.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''ph.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Pharynx.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''int.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Intestine.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''p.p.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Proboscispore.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''m.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Mouth.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''p.s.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Proboscis.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''nch.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Notochord.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''st.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Stomach.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''n.s.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Central nervous system.
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''stk.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Stalk.
|-
|align=&quot;right&quot;|''oes.'',
|&amp;nbsp;Oesophagus.
|
|
|}
While it is not improbable that the collar-pores and the proboscispores
may evacuate excretory substances, there can be little doubt
that their primary function is to regulate the turgidity of the
segment to which they respectively belong. A pair of gill-slits
(fig.&amp;nbsp;3,&amp;nbsp;''g.s.''), which do not occur in ''Rhabdopleura'', open immediately
behind the collar-pores. It is probable that they serve to strain off
the superfluous water which is introduced into the mouth during
the process of feeding. An anterior median diverticulum of the
pharynx (fig.&amp;nbsp;2, ''nch.''), growing forwards in the septum between
the proboscis-cavity and the collar-cavities, and supported dorsally
by the median mesentery of the collar, is the representative of
the so-called notochord or stomochord of ''Balanoglossus''; and
if the view that this organ is really a notochord is well founded,
it may be regarded as the homologue of the anterior end of the
Vertebrate notochord.

The metasome contains nearly the whole of the alimentary
canal, in which pharynx (fig.&amp;nbsp;2,&amp;nbsp;''ph.''), oesophagus (''oes.''), stomach (''st.'')
and intestine (''int.'') may be distinguished. The remarkable position
of the anus (''a'') on the dorsal side has already been alluded to.
The metasomatic cavities are divided by dorsal (fig. 3, ''d.mes.'') and
ventral mesenteries, the latter following the outer curvature of the
loop of the alimentary canal. The most conspicuous blood vessel
possessed by ''Cephalodiscus'' is the dorsal vessel (''d.b.v.''). A ventral
vessel occurs on the anterior side of the metasome and forms a loop
extending down the entire length of the stalk, while a “heart”
projects into the cavity of the pericardium, probably connected on
the ventral side of the notochord with the ventral vessel, and on
its dorsal side with the dorsal vessel. At their opposite ends the
dorsal and ventral vessels are probably connected with one another
by means of a splanchnic sinus surrounding the stomach. The
original specimen of ''C.&amp;nbsp;dodecalophus'' contained exclusively female
zooids, in which a single pair of ovaries (figs.&amp;nbsp;2, 3, ''ov.'') lie in the
metasomatic cavities, and open to the exterior dorsally by short, highly
&lt;!-- column 2 --&gt;
pigmented oviducts (fig.&amp;nbsp;2, ''ovd.''). In ''C.&amp;nbsp;nigrescens'' and in some other
species a zooid may contain a pair of ovaries, a pair of testes, or
an ovary and a testis, although the males, females and hermaphrodites
do not differ from one another in external characters.
In ''C.&amp;nbsp;sibogae'' (Celebes) the single colony known is of the male sex.
The reproductive individuals have undergone an extraordinary
simplification of the organs concerned with the collection and digestion
of food. Thus the
arms are reduced to a single
pair and possess no tentacles,
there is no definite
operculum, and the alimentary
canal is vestigial. The
testes, which correspond in  
position with the ovaries  
of a female ''Cephalodiscus'',  
constitute the greater part
of the animal. Associated
with these males are neuter
zooids, which usually
possess no functional
reproductive organs, but have in 
other respects the structure
of an ordinary female
''Cephalodiscus''. It appears
probable that there is a
vascular connexion
between these and the male
individuals, which thus derive
their nutriment from
the neuters. The reproductive
organs of ''Rhabdopleura''
have but seldom been observed.
They resemble
those of ''Cephalodiscus'' in
structure and in position,
except that in each sex the
gonad occurs on the right
side of the body only
(Schepotieff, 1906).

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{{sc|Fig. 3.}}—Section transverse to the
long axis of ''Cephalodiscus dodecalophus''
(morphologically a frontal section).
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''b.c''{{sup|3}}.,
|Body cavity of metasome.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''c.p.'',
|Collar-canal, above which is seen the operculum.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''d.b.v.'',
|Dorsal blood-vessel.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|{{nowrap|''d.mes.'',&amp;nbsp;}}
|Dorsal mesentery.
|-
|''ep.'',
|Proboscis.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''g.s.'',
|Gill-slit.
|-
|''int.'',
|Intestine.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''l.c.c.'',
|Left collar-cavity.
|-
|''m.'',
|Mouth
|-
|''ov.'',
|Ovary.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''plch'',
|width=&quot;200&quot;|Vacuolated tissue of pharyngeal wall, the so-called “pleurochords” of Masterman.
|-valign=&quot;top&quot;
|''r.c.c.'',
|Right collar-cavity.
|}
The eggs of ''Cephalodiscus''
possess a large amount of
yolk, and it is practically
certain that there is no
pelagic larval form.  The
embryos are hatched in an
early stage, but their
metamorphosis has not been
observed. The early development
appears to resemble
that of the large-yolked
species of ''Balanoglossus.''
In the bud-development,
the three-segmented condition is extremely conspicuous,
and a striking feature is the great relative size of the proboscis
(fig. 1). A considerable part of the alimentary canal is said to be
derived from the ectoderm in the buds of both ''Cephalodiscus'' and
''Rhabdopleura''. Schepotieff (1907) states that in the young buds
of the latter the central part of the alimentary canal is developed
from cells which are apparently not of ectodermic origin.
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The affinity of the Pterobranchia to the Enteropneusta may
be regarded as definitely established. Considering the wide
differences between the two groups in the size and external
characters, and in the mode of life, including the mode of feeding,
it is indeed surprising that in every important organ the two
groups should show a fundamental morphological identity.
Their relations to ''Phoronis'' are doubtful (see {{EB1911 article link|Phoronidea}}).
The question of their affinity to other divisions of the animal
kingdom depends principally on the views which are held with
regard to the relationships of the Enteropneusta and Phoronidea
respectively. The suggestion has been made by Allmann and
recently upheld by Schepotieff that ''Rhabdopleura'' is related to
some of the Graptolites.
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{{sc|Bibliography}}.—(1) Andersson, “Die Pterobranchier,” ''Wiss.''
''Ergebn.-Schwed. Südpolar Exp.'' (1907) vol.&amp;nbsp;v.; (2)&amp;nbsp;Fowler,
“''Rhabdopleura'',” ''Proc. Roy. Soc.'' (1893), lii. 132; Festschr. Leuckarts
(1892), p.&amp;nbsp;293; art. “Hemichorda,” ''Ency. Brit.'' (1902), suppl. vols.
xxix. p.&amp;nbsp;249; ''Quart. Journ. Mic. Sci.'' (1905), xlviii. 23; (3)&amp;nbsp;Harmer,
“Appendix to report on ''Cephalodiscus'',” ''Challenger Rep.'' (1887),
vol.&amp;nbsp;xx. pt.&amp;nbsp;lxii. p.&amp;nbsp;39; “Pterobranchia,” ''Sibona Rep.'' (1905), Monogr.
vol.&amp;nbsp;xxvi. bis.; (4)&amp;nbsp;Lankester, “''Rhabdopleura'',” ''Quart. Journ. Mic.''
''Sci.'' (1884), xxiv. 622; art. “{{EB9 lkpl|Polyzoa}},” ''Ency. Brit.'', 9th ed.
(1885), xix. 430, 434; “''Cephalodiscus nigrescens'',” ''Proc. Roy.''
''Soc.'' (1905), B. lxxvi. 400; (5) M‘Intosh, “Report on ''Cephalodiscus'',”
''Challenger Rep.'' (1887), vol.&amp;nbsp;xx. pt.&amp;nbsp;lxii.; (6)&amp;nbsp;Masterman,
“''Cephalodiscus'',” ''Quart. Journ. Mic. Sci.'' (1898), xl. 340&lt;noinclude&gt;
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sight 
oflice 
have 
con 
that 
was 
aud 
The 
the 
We 
of 
a 
S 
HINA EXPECTED TO YIELD. 
K 
jan Legation Believes Ultimatum 
(&amp;' Will have Desired Effect. 
KIN'. 
March 15. The Russian lesa-her- e 
expects the Chinese govern-- 
. 
to vleld reluctantly, first offering 
ompromise but finally accepting in 
he demands of the Russian ultl-- 
Tho Chinese foreign board, 
Bned over ttw situation. Is arguing 
Khe Russian note was not percmp-uu - t 
on the contrary was most 
91y. 
b capricious Ixslsavior of the foreign 
i Indicates to onlookers here an 
y 
on the part of the government 
eal strongly with the situation, 
c location ciuaitcr appears to con- - 
that the Impil aspects of the case 
tribro favorable to China and there 
!f to be no sympathy with the 
that Russian tinders 
Id be exempt under the free trade 
ies from even local taxation in 
Bsc territory, 
ttlie same lime there is criticism 
trtna'n diplomacy in that she seeks 
aln by trk-kei-- 
points which she is 
. wi6e fible io dispute with arms, 
lien Intimidated by the threat con-- 
in tho. original Russian note, China 
ed nppnrcntb acquiescing in the 
Jan d?mnnd that she adhere more 
rP ty to the tronty of 1SS1 iiffectlng 
and commercial privileges 
w III province and In Mongolia. 
sla thereupon stated that the reply 
igenerallv sitisfactory, but asked for 
i; explicit declarations. 
P.lhe meantime the Chinese govern -- 
encouraged by comments in the 
gn prais, had grown bolder and its 
Bd note stated that this. Russian 
trs did not enjoy the tronly rights 
rade froelv export t In foreign goods: 
Phdrt other noiuts and declined to 
lit the establishment of the con- 
ies which Russia demanded. 
iBPla's ninnv crlovnnres arouse the 
Iclon horc tint she possibly Is play-Ifo- r 
iivi' ami is also prcparins the 
I, oolnlon for an art of aggression 
the snows have melted. 

DECLARE 
WOMAN IS SANE 
She Was Mentally Sounl 
She Murdered Her 
Little Boy. 
y.. March If.. Testimony 
of Mrs Edith Molber. the 
who is charged with killing 
administering carbolic acid, 
iMSTS dosed when court 
afternoon, and the case Is 
to the jury by tomorrow 
testified that.' 
In their 
woman Is inllonal and was 
when the net was 
was based on 
woman mental and 
she was In the Albany 
In answer to a long 
POFltho in their conclusions 
knew what she was 
she killed her son. 
JBliROAIJS HAVE PLAN 
0R WESTBOUND TARIFFS 
iSK-00 - , 
March in. Railroad 
,ineH connected with 
WMfJLnseontlnental freight bureau today 
&quot;ol 
undertalto readjustment of 
'wLL0HBt r&quot;eicht rates until the 
L,omni.0,'-'f- J 
commission shall have 
lgWm?l Probloms Involved In the west- &quot; Bj- ?i 
llc commission will hear 
10nLi: nL'xt Mondjl' 1,1 Wash-road- s 
are said to be considering 
5nior two westbound tariffs. 
One 
SW.:VBl(,c,r',, l water competition 
'lMt, 
np .ra,es 10 11,0 const only on 
fl 1K MUbjc,,ct 10 
competition. 
H wmim 
lcs &quot;ot nffiCtctI 
this 
.fljfgK Fire Laddie Killed. 
iwK?'&quot;5;uBK- 
- 
Wis.. March 15. Tho 
tfWTiJSf u0' 
M- - HIUv 
street and St. Paul avenue. 
(fjB0 '&quot;y wiped out by tire today 
JwKmo,? i?8s climated at $200,000 . 
iVf 8?? R- - C,ark- - flrlvr of truck 
llMKwL.from a l&quot;ldor after having 
aElorne by the cold, and died in 
hospital. Tho fire started 
rtB cause not known 
It Is Gov. Christmas Now 
Soldier of Fortune Rules 
Province Placed Under His Con- 
trol as Reward for Victories 
in Revolt. 
HOUSTON, Tex., March 14. It is no 
longer General Christmas, soldier of 
fortune, insurrecto and all around 
fighting man, but Governor li.ee Christ- 
mas of the department of Cortez, Span 
ish Honduras. This is according to a 
letter received hero yesterday by 
John M. I'cnn from General 
Budda of Honduras, Ifenn himself only 
recently returned from a business visit 
to Honduras. 
This is the first news of the recog- 
nition of Christmas 's services by the 
new Honduran government. 
w--r 
. 
m 
i 
- 
JZB CHRISTMAS. 
FRANK GOULD EXPLAINS 
HIS ACTION AT ST. LOUIS 
Necessary for Real Proprietors of Mis- 
souri Pacific to Stand Together to 
Protect Their Interests. 
NEW YORK, March 15. Frank J. 
Gould, who announced last njght his In- 
tention later to issue a statement of an 
alleged effort by the Standard Oil in- 
terests to force the corporation's wishes 
upon the management 
of the Missouri 
Pacific, issued another statement today 
explaining why he had sided with the 
minority stockholders 
in yesterday's 
meeting in St. Louis. 
&quot;The tendency,&quot; he said, &quot;recently has 
been to make prominent projects which 
looked to many permanent holders of 
Missouri Pacific securities, as possibly 
disastrous and the contest at St. L .ouis 
was made to correct not only such an 
impression, but to put the management 
of the company into hands which pro- 
tect the integrity of the system. 
The 
result was that the real proprietors have 
Indicated that they will stand together in 
preserving their property int'act. &quot; 
Mr. Gould would not say when the 
statement regarding the Standard Oil in- 
terests would be made public. 
DEATH SENTENCE FOR 
MURDERER IS PASSED 
End of Sensational Trial of Stlnle Mor- 
rison In London 
Court. 
LONDON'. 
March 15. Stlnlo Morrison 
today was found guilty of the murder of 
Joseph Eeron, and sentenced to death. 
Tho police tried to connect the tragedy 
with the Hounds Ditch anarchist bur- 
glaries, and the trial was one of the most 
sensational ever held in Tondon. 
The mutiiated body of Reron was found 
on Clappham common early in January. 
The police theory was that the victim 
was a member 
of the Hounds Ditch 
crowd, and had been killed for treachery 
uy hir- - associates. 
The evidence was wholly circumstan- 
tial. Morrison, who is a Russian, claimed 
(hat he spent the evening of the murder 
at a music hall and the rest of the night 
at his home. Most of the witnesses were 
from the &quot;Whitechapol district, and start- 
ling assertions were made on both sides. 
A sensation was caused this afternoon 
when the closing arguments of counsel 
weie interrupted to admit the testimony 
of a policeman who declared that his col- 
leagues had sworn falsely. 
Morrison made many incriminating ad- 
missions, and 
under 
admitted that he had been several times 
convicted of burglary. 
RETIRED PAYMASTER 
OF THE NAVY IS DEAD 
SANTA BARBARA, Cal.. March 15. 
Paymaster .7 . 
Stanton, U. S. N., 
re- 
tired, tiled here today, aged 62 years. 
Redmondite Is Elected. 
DUBLIN. March 15. Augustine Roche, 
a Redmondite. was elected today for 
tho seat of the north division of l.outh, 
made vacant by the court's decision that 
Richard TIazleton's election at the last 
parliamentary pollings was secured by 
fraud. Today's election was unopposed 
with Timothy Hcaly refusing to 
tho seat from which he was ousted 
by Hazleton. 
HUNDREDS BELIEVED 
TOIMIEO 
People of Labrador Short of 
Food and Shut Off From 
Outer World. 
SYDNEY, C. B., March 15. That the 
rigorous winter just closing hns caused 
extreme suffering 
and probably many 
deaths among the people in the barren 
Labrador peninsula who have been cut off 
for months by great ico Holds from the 
poestblllty of securing food and clothing, 
is the one fear felt here and in Newfound- 
land. 
The last reports, which were received 
late last fall, said the food supplies were 
almost exhausted and that nundrcds of 
tho natives, mainly tisher folk and their 
families, were on the verge of starvation. 
Supplies were immediately sent to relieve 
tho situation then regarded as extreme, 
but months have passed since then and 
the stricken Labrador people havo had 
no help nor has word come to the outside 
world as to how they are faring. 
Repeated efforts havo been mado to 
carry succor to the starving people. Ves- 
sels, laden with supplies of food and 
clothing, have failed repeatedly to pierce 
ico tloes which choke the strait of Belle 
Isle, the narrow stretch of water which 
separates Labrador from the northern 
coast of Newfoundland. 
The present misfortunes of the Labra- 
dor people had their beginning In the 
failuro of last season's fishing catch. It 
was the poorest in years. 
As a result 
there was no money on hand to buy food 
and clothing. A blizzard which swept 
over Newfoundland 
and Labrador last 
week Is bcliovcd to have caused much 
damage. 
Tho interior of Newfoundland 
was completely Isolated for several days, 
scarcely a telephone and telegraph wire 
being left standing. 
A blanket o snow reported In somo 
places as being from twenty to thirty 
feet deep, covered most of the colony. 
COURT REFUSES TO 
PASS UPON BIG BILLS 
WASHINGTON. March 
15. Justice 
Gould. In the probate court here, today 
refused to. pass on the claims of Dr.- L- . 
F. Railcer of Johns Hopkins univer- 
sity and Dr. C . F . Walnwright of New 
York for SI 1.500 and 
respective- 
ly, alleged to be duo them for profes- 
sional services rendered the Into Thom- 
as F. Walsh, the Colorado capitalist. 
The court referred the claims to the 
executors of the estate. 


B. Y. U. STUDENTS MAKE 
THEIR PROTEST PUBLIC 

Continued From Page One. 
&lt;section begin=&quot;BYU STUDENTS&quot;/&gt;investigation, if for no other reason than we stand for fair play and toleration of the beliefs of all men? Is not this our missionary watchword? 

We are convinced that nothing can be gained by excluding these subjects from our college, since every man or woman who goes east or west to colleges of high rank must face the questions. We believe that we should provide for him to meet them here under circumstances that will assist him in making for sane, conservative, and logical adjustment.

We have just reached the point in our educational career as a college where our work is being recognized by up-to-date universities. This recognition means considerable to us educationally and to our hopes as a church of wielding an influence among humanity. If the proposed restrictions are adopted, it needs only common foresight to foretell the effect upon our credit abroad. 

Those of us who have had work under the men who are being criticised are unanimous in denying the alleged evil effects of their teachings.

They are all leaders in their respective lines. They are eminently successful as teachers, and for our present needs we consider them to be without peers. Aside from our appreciation of their scholarship, we have the highest respect for their integrity as men and as loyal members of the Church.

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Those of us who have had missionary experience realize the need of just such a course as we are now getting now to enable us to defend the truth against all comers. While we are free to admit that in the new light some points of doctrine, as we have understood them, lose their former color, we see a deeper meaning in life than before, additional evidence of an all-wise God, and a new and holier significance in the message of Mormonism and all other revelations of God to man.

It is not simply a question of dropping the professors who have been criticised, but we believe that the proposed policy, if persisted in, can amount to nothing else than a death-blow to our college work, because it is impossible to secure men equal in scholarship to the ones we have, who are so thoroughly in sympathy with the Church, who do not give credence to the same objectionable theories. 

We have great faith in the Church and we can hardly imagine that any policy contrary to its best needs will be adopted, but we ask you to consider what the proposed restriction would mean for us educationally, and what it would mean to our critics, and what it would mean to our standing in the educational world. Some of our fondest hopes have been for the future of the ‘dear old B. Y. U.’- that it would continue to grow and continue to adapt itself to the growing needs of humanity and demonstrate to the world, as only that can demonstrate, that Mormonism is a real, vitalized divine institution.
 
C. H. Carroll 
James Clove. Jr. 
G. L. Luke 
Joseph D. Foster 
C. W. Whitaker 
Hyrum Harris 
Heber C Snell 
Charles Ilafen 
Fred Buss 
A. L. Kolly 
Andrew Gibbons llan.. Peterson 
II M. Woodward I.. IL Nelson 
Uyrlng Thompson Juantta Johnson 
J. 13 . Storrs 
Klvu Kelly 
Anna Ollorlon 
Archie Tliunnan 
C. P. Olson 
Kenneth Uorg 
M. O. Paulson 
S. W. Williams 
S. 13. Hlgby 
Bessie Flndlov 
J. Morrill George Aubrey Andclin 
Lola Ollorlon 
J. It. Tlppctts 
Alma Esplln 
F. Wm. Hacking 
J. W . Nixon, Jr. Arthur L. Bceslcy 
Reuben Hill 
Odeen Luke 
CIkis. Scbwcnckc Virgo L. Johnson 
Kimbnll Young 
Dottle Deal 
Charles Redd 
Goo. Wort hen 
Ray Oberhansley Kraslux S. P.omney 
M. W, Poulson 
Margaret Crook 
D. R . Mitchell 
Cliarlottu 
Grcen-13- 1 
F. Taylor 
wood 
Samuel 
Hugh IMdaway 
Harrison Hurst 
G. Ray Hales 
Carl F. ISyring 
G. G. Meld rum 
Emily Woodward Laura Hickman 
Leroy Nelson 
Emily Wnnlass 
George Haws 
Sadie Lloyd 
F. L . Hickman 
Dora Day 
J. M. Pond- 
Pearl Holdaway 
Paul Miner 
J. L . Lybhcrt 
James Jensen 
Hyrum Mnnwarlng 
Ray Monson 
W. L. Wnnlass 
Marie Clark 
Laura Bird 
Zlna Johnson 
Preal Kolse.v 
J. H. Tucker 
Samantha Thorno 
H. L. Rood 
I'earl Kelsey 
Harold Finch 
llerschel Pearson 
William Baker 
I A. W. Tracy 
Carlos Woodward Arthur Hnfcn 
Thomas L. Martin Ivy Hall 
David Gourley 
LaPreal Straw 
A. It. Ovcrlade jAlmlc Taylor 
Mary Kill 
A. T . Itasmussen 
B. F . Larson 

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&lt;section begin=&quot;SECRETARY FISHER&quot;/&gt;SECRETARY FISHER 
iiiiwii m 
Concentrates His Forces at Seattle 
to Make War on Fraudulent 
Land Entries. 
FIRST SKIRMISH. MONDAY 
Arguments,, to Be Heard on De- 
murrers Filed by Christopher 
and Siinmonds. 
SEATTLE, March 15. Secretary of 
the. Interior Walter 
Fisher is con- 
centrating his forces in Seattle for the 
work of canceling alleged fraudulent 
Alaska coal land claims so that the 
laud may be opened for mining under 
'ca9e or royulty, as congress inny di- 
rect. 
With the closing of the grand jury 
session in Chicago the interior depart- 
ment's Alaska coal experts and at- 
torneys will bo assembled in Seattle. 
S. It. Push, assistant to the United 
States attorney general, with head- 
quarters in Omaha, is already here 
and has been engaged for ten days in 
preparing the government's brief to 
bo used in the prosecution of fraudul- 
ent, land claims. 
M. S. Hibbard, mining surveyor and 
mining expert in the government em- 
ploy, who was one of those who exam- 
ined the Alaskan fields for the field di- 
vision last fall, is expected in Seattle 
tomorrow. 
A. Christcnsen, chief of the field di- 
vision with offices in Seattle, who is 
now in Chicago, will arrive in Seattle 
within ten days and with him will 
come B. D. Townsend, special assistant 
to the attorney general. Both have 
been engaged in Detroit and Chicago 
in the grand jury work. 
Tho first skirmish will occur 
on 
March 20 when Judge C. 1L Hanford 
will hear the arguments on the demur- 
rers filed by attorneys for Cornelius 
Christopher and George Siminonds, in- 
dicted in Tacoma last October. 
This 
case involves 6087 acres of coal lands 
in the Katalla district of Alaska. 
On March 2S the trial of Archie W. 
Shields, C. F . Munday, Algernon A. 
Stracey and Earl E. Siegley, charged 
with conspiracy to defraud the gov- 
ernment of coal lands valued at more 
than $J .000,000, will bo begun. 
Tho 
defendants wore indicted by the fed- 
eral grand . &quot; jury sitting at Tacoma. 
As soon as the Stracey group shall 
have been disposed of the government 
forces will arguo to the demurrer of 
D. A. and O. A. McKejizie and Parrj 
White, indicted by the federal grand 
jury sitting at Spokane on charges 
similar to the others conspiracy to ac- 
quire coal lands in excess of the amount 
allowed by law and in violation of the 
statutes relating to the acquisition of 
coal lands. 
The date for the trial has 
not been set. 
The Copper Kiver and Alaska Cen- 
tral railroads will build lines into the 
coal fields as soon as the' are opened 
to mining. 
LIGHTS ARE TURNED OUT 
TO PREVENT FREE FIGHT 
Charge Against Women Students Made 
In Russian Duma Results In 
an Uproar, 
ST. PETERSBL'F .G, March 15. An ex- 
traordinary charge apainsl women stu- 
dents caused a sensational scene in the 
duma this evening;. An interpellation of 
recent incidents in the hlph schools was 
under discussion, when Deputy Ubruzoff. 
a member of the extreme right, alleged 
that female students, during the revo- 
lutionary period, consorted with drunken 
sailors in order to carry on the revolu- 
tionary propaganda more 
Shouts of &quot;Down with the black- 
guards!&quot; aud similar indignant protests 
arose from the left benches and started 
u scene of uproar and great disorder. 
The president was unable to control the 
deputies. 
Ubruzoff tried to resume speaking, but 
In vain, and the president was obliged to 
ask him to leave the tribune as the hour 
allowed the speakers had elapsed. 
Ubruzoff's supporters 
raised a great 
outcry and the president closed the sit- 
ting. Tho opposing factions rushed to- 
ward the tribune, but officers threw 
themselves between the two parties and 
prevented a collision. 
Only when the 
lights were turned out did the deputies 
quit the hall. 
NEITHER SIDK LOOKS FOR 
PEACEFUL SETTLEMENT 
CINCINNATI. March 15. Outside the 
summoning 
of 
fixe hundred deputy 
sheriffs at Somerset,' Ky.. to preserve or- 
der there were no developments in the 
strike of the firemen of ihu Cincinnati. 
New Orleans &amp; Texas Pacific railroad 
(Queen and Crescent) today. Apparent- 
ly no move was made by either side 
looking toward peace. 
r 
trains were running nearly 
on schedule time in and out of hero to- 
day, but freight trains were not moving 
anil according to reports havo not. moved 
north of Somerset for forty-eig- 
hours. 
That various points are beginning to 
suffer from tin strike was Indicated by 
icports of a furl shortage, The first real 
Indication oamo to;ilKht In a report from 
Somerset. Ky.. 
wlii-il - i 
said the electric 
light plant there would close down to- 
morrow for lack of fuel. 
AMERICAN OFFICERS 
BANQUETED IN CHILI 
VALPARAISO. Chile. March In. Presi- 
dent Hurries gave a bunuuut last night 
for Captain Gove. Commander Phelps and 
the officers ol the American battleship 
Dc'aware. 
( 
American Minister Fletcher 
was a 
quest, as wore the members of the cabi- 
net anil high officials of the Chilean 
armv and navy. 
The minister of marine, in offering a 
toast to President Tafl. tin; American 
navy and Minister Fletcher, said that 
Chile appreciated the new evidence of 
American frlcndsliin al'orded In the visit 
of Ihu battleship which broucht home Mio 
body of the Into Anlbal Cruse. Chilean 
minister at Washington. 
EVIDENCE IMPLICATES 
FORMER CONGRESSMAN 
CHICAGO. March If.. During the trial 
of Joseph F. Wlrth. Antony Wirth and 
Patrick Koldy on the charge of coloring 
oleomargarine Illegally, documentary 
v;is Introduced today to show that 
llio W. J . Moxloy company had furnished 
coloring material and tub liners to oleo- 
margarine &quot;moonshiners.&quot; 
Snlt Lake Pensions. 
Special to The Tribune. 
WASHINGTON. March 15. The fol- 
lowing Salt Lake eillzons were granted 
incrense 
of pensions today; Thomas 
Loughnoy. ?30: .lames II. Thompson, S2i. 
Tribmie Want. Ads, 
Bell Main 5200. 
Independent 360. 
ft 
MORPHINE RELIEVED PAIN 
THE GREAT KIDNEY REM-- 
' 
EDY RESTORES TO 
HEALTH. 
For&quot; the past few years I suffered 
greatly from what three physicians 
called neuralgia, of the stomach. The 
doctors treated me without any success 
and I called in a fourth doc'tor, who 
pronounced my diseaso gall stones. 
1 
suffered intense pnin and the only re- 
lief the doctor could give me was by in- 
jections of morphine. 
I was so com- 
pletely discouraged that I had almost 
given up hope when a neighbor told me 
about Dr. Kilmer's Swamp-Roo - 
t. 
I de- 
cided to try it and began its use at 
once, and after taking nine JjoCtles was 
completely cured, not having a spell of 
sickness in over two years. 
T have so much confidence in Swamp-Roo- 
t 
that T never fail to recommend it 
to my friends who ma' have kidney 
trouble of any kind. I feel certain that, 
Dr. Kilmer's&quot; 
Swamp-Roo- 
t 
saved my 
life; why should it not do likewise to 
others who take it in time? 
You are at liberty to use this testi- 
mony at auv time. 
Yours truly. 
MRS. ELI A HENRY, 
816 Sehafor Ave.. 
Kansas City, Mo. 
State of Missouri 
County of Jackson b3. 
On &quot;the 28th day of July, A. D. 1909, 
personally appeared before meta'Notiiry 
Public within and for said County and 
State, Mrs. Ella Henry, who subscribed 
the above statement and made oath that 
the same is true. 
HENRY C. A3MERY. 
Notary Public. 
Letter to 
Dr. Kilmer . Co.. 
Blnghamton, N. Y. 
Prove What 
Will Do for 
You. 
Send to Dr. Kilmer &amp; Co., 
Bingham-ton- 
, 
N. Y for a sample bottle. It will 
convince anyone. You will also receive 
a booklet of valuable information, tell- 
ing all about the kidneys and bladder. 
When writing, be sure and mention The 
Salt Lake City Daily Tribune. For salo 
at all drug stores. Price fifty cents 
.a nd one dollar. 
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The notch relieves you of the both- 
ers of buttoning and unbuttoning 
Arrow 
COLLARS 
BELMONT 
CHESTER 
21' btjth 
2 hiirh 
The notch keeps them 
closed in front. 
Makes Ho 
Easy 
Absolutely Pure 
The afsSy bakBstg powd&amp;t 
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marfe from RoyaS Grapo 
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NO ALUM.HB LIME PHOSPHATE 
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COLDS CAUSE HEADACHE 
friH 
LAXATIVE BROMO Quinine, 
the 
Ril 
world-wid- e 
Cold and Grip remedy, re- - 
moves cause. Call for full name. Look 
tl'H 
for signature E. W . GKQVE 25c. 
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And House Dresses 
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Ever3r woman who appreciates the value of the house 
I dress, who appreciates the importance of always appear- 
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ingN neatly dressed, even when at home, &quot;doing- 
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dishes,&quot; I 
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j insists upon having- three or four neat little house dresses 
iiH 
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in her wardrobe. Here is the opportunity to secure the 1 
j very latest and the very best at prices not much more 
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than half what they are actually worth. We have made 1 
a special shipment of house dresses this spring. We have 1 
planned on unusually broad lines in this department. We 1 
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show a greater variety and in better qualities than ever 1 
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before. These live examples to illustrate what you can I 
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save Thursday on trig little dresses for the home. 
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Nu'uoar ouc cmln-ace - 
very &quot;cat 
Anotlisv lot. embraces best 
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striped and checked rjcrciles. 
quality wercalci in light and 1 
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is well as fifrurcd and Ptripctl 
rlark strinos ant checks; sonn g 
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lawns, in best rmaiitv fabric.- - 
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n'gh. neck stylos finished with 1 
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lcsiFttcc' 
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thvec-nuavt- 
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down collar and long I 
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sleeves and Dutch necks fin- - 
cleaves; others in Dutch nccki I 
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Ishcd with Gtltchcd bands. 
aud short sleeve ideas. 
You 1 
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generously 
choosn froiv this splendid as- - 
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i fiul skirt. This OKccl'snt as- - 
sortmcr&quot;: a only-- 
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Attractive, indeed, aro these 
B Nrat dotted percales and plain 
crisp, dainty check and stripe 
chainbrayp ko to n'ako up thi.7 
ginchanis.. finished with high jjj 
p effflctivo' selection in light and 
neck and pretty embroidered g 
fl 
&amp; 
medium colovs; theso dresses 
collar and cuffs. Waist fin- - 
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E designed with high neck and 
ishcd with noatly tucked front. I 
leng' sleeves. 
Vcrv snccia1. a';, 
A value far above the price g 
you: pick 
cuoted: you: pick 
fj&quot;G Hero i3 an assortment whteh deserves carof ul descrip- 
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UvV 8 .1 J! ion. so fetching aro the designs, but wa know yon will MW 
(rXl 'omo ;ind so tncni 30 v,'e 
niee-- y 
givo a general Idea .&amp;jfflZt0? 
afSr'af thoir effectiveness. 
Tho fabric- - , 
aro dainty figured 
$ 
lj oalcs, mado up in Dutch neck style with cuffs, collar and mMMSw 
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'irfi ,)el- - P1!10 
Plato material; Ions and short sleeve- 
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I .! yl will be&quot; found here, some with apron pockot3. sonao side ftSiljaj 
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fastened and many of the iviw hi(?h waist lino ideas, (teling 
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Thin assortment also includes net striped dress ging- - Mjjjiji 
If .' 
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hams in similar styles. You choose, though the price Is fiisf5 
nndequato to- - express tlio values at, your pick 
FOREIGN SAILORS KILL 
RIOTERS IN HANG CHOW 
Chinese Soldiers Prove Inefficient; Well 
Directed Volley Settles 
Trouble. 
BOSTON. March 15. Details of the re- 
cent riots in Hang Chow, China, are con- 
tained In letters received at the head- 
quarters of the American Baptist For- 
eign MIsBlon socloty from its mission- 
aries. The trouble started from a false 
report spread by coolies that a police- 
man had kicked a, coolie to death In the 
foreign concession., 
A mob quickly gathered. Sailors were 
landed from two foreign gunboats and 
assisted the police and volunteer militia 
In controlling the crowd until the arrival 
of a thousand Chinese troops from Wu 
Chang, across the Yangtse river. 
The foreigners then yielded the field to 
the Chinese soldiers, who proved in- 
efficient. The mob grew larger, shops 
were raided and missiles were soon fly- 
ing. The situation became so serious 
that the foreign sailors were ordered to 
Are. 
As a result ten Chinese were killed and 
several wounded. The city then gradu- 
ally quieted down, although it was kept 
under martial law for a time. 
WASHINGTON; March 15. Represen- 
tations havo been made by the Ameri- 
can government to Turkey regarding the 
murder of H. F . Decou, an American 
archcologist. by Arabs nt Cyrene. Africa. 
March 11, and the American ombassy at 
Constantinople has cabled that soldiers 
have been dispatched to arrest the per- 
petrators. 
PASSENGER TRAINS 
COLLIDE ON CURVE 
Number of Persons Injured on the Santa 
Fe Road at Glendora, 
Cal. 
GLENDORA, Cal., 
&quot;March 15. Two 
Santa Fo passenger trains, running be- 
tween Los Angeles and San Bernardino, 
collided two miles cast of here today, 
badly damaging the engines, 
tenders, 
mall and baggago cars and slightly in- 
juring a number of persons. Tho two 
tinlns met on a curve as a result, it Is 
alleged, of a failure to deliver slop or- 
ders to the westbound train at San 
Dlmas. Both engine crews jumped and 
escaped serious Injury. 
W. G. I.eary of Son P.ernardlno. mail 
clerk on the westbound train, and Major 
C. C . McComas. assistant district attor- 
ney of Los Angeles, wore seriously in- 
jured. Other passengers. Including one 
woman, suffered minor hurts. 
Tho tender of the enstbound train was 
driven ten feet into the mall and baggage 
car, telescoping it. 
DOZEN MEN MEET DEATH 
BY COLLAPSE OF WALLS 
Hlnh Winds Tumble Tons of Brick and 
Mortar Upon Salvage Corps at 
Nashville. Tenn. 
NASHVILLt:. Tenn.. March 15. By the 
collapse of the walls of the building of 
llio Fall Hardware 
company, 
which 
burned about ten days ago. about thirty 
men wore burled under tons of brick, 
mortar and lime this morning. 
Twelve bodies havo been romoved. but 
it Is believed at least one moro Is burlod 
In the ruins. 
Seventeen , persons worn 
more or loss Injured, ltnlph MeCalluni 
was the only whit man known to have 
been killed and F.dwln Hart the only 
white man injured. The others are ne- 
groes. 
High winds wee responsible for the 
collapse of the wall?. MeCalluni was 
superintending a salvage corps. 
BUTTE REPUBLICANS 
NAME MAN FOR MAYOR 
Bt'TTFO. Mont . March 15. 
D. 
prominent real estiile dealer of 
this city, was I he choice of I ho city Re- 
publican convention tonight for mayor. 
loot-g- 
b'cott was nominated for troas-ure - r. 
PROTEST HGIST 
IJOjlTjflPORT 
Senators Newlands and Cham- 
berlain Say Things About 
Carter of Montana. 
Special to The Tribune. 
WASHINGTON, March 15. Senators 
Newlands of Nevada and Chamberlain 
of Oregon today tiled with the irrigation 
committee of the senate a protest against 
tho report made by a majority of the 
committee members on the closing day 
ofcongres3 on the administration of the 
reclamation service. The protest recites 
that the majority report was- 
- 
prepared 
by the chairman of the committee, for- 
mer Senator Carter, and submitted dur- 
ing the closing hours of congress with- 
out giving the members of the commit- 
tee time to discuss or consider It. 
It further contends that the criti- 
cisms of the majority report upon the 
administration of the reclamation serv- 
ice are unwarranted, and praises gener- 
ally the work of former Secretary Hitch- 
cock and Secretary Garfield and Direc- 
tor Newell In their connection with the 
administration of the reclamation act. 
The protest says that the government 
reclamation projects arc well planned 
and rorm a standard for the construction 
of private works, and that the results 
accomplished by the reclamation service 
are superior to those following other 
legislation dealing with public lands. It 
defends Director Newell against all th&quot; 
criticisms which were freely bestowed 
upon him in the majority report. 
AKED'S RESIGNATION 
FINALLY ACCEPTED 
NEW YORK. March 15 The resigna- 
tion of the Pvev. Dr. J . F . Aked. pastor 
of the Fifth Avenue Baptist church, who 
has received a call to San Francisco, 
was accepted by the congregation at a 
special meeting tonight. 
Resolutions praising the preacher and 
his work here were offered by John D. 
Bockefeller. Jr.. and adopted. Tho res lg-n at lo- n 
will go into effect April 9. 
CHARGE AGAINST OIL 
MEN FAILS TO STICK 
H 
WASHINGTON. March 15. After mora 
than a year of inquiry Into the business 
il 
of storing and piping crude oil in the 
H 
Oklahoma fields, the department of jus- - 
f 
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tico bus found no evidence to substan- 
- 
i.H 
tlate the charge that a combination ex- - 
1 
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Istcd among pipe line companies in vlo- - 
Pl 
lntion of the Sherman law. 
I'H 
Tho rates charged by the isipe line 
SH 
companies, however, are considered ex- - 
tH 
cessivc, and W. S . Kenyon, assistant to 
lll 
the attorney general, sain today that the 
iH 
department would turn the whole ques- - 
MtH 
Hon over to the Interstate commerce 
ll 
commission. 
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LECTURE THE SECOND.

THE HIERATIC RELIGION. – THE PANTHEON OF THE VEDA.

Fundamental traits of early Vedic religion – False view of the nature of Vedic poetry – The Rig-Veda as sacrificial poetry – Difficulty of understanding the ritual character of the Rig-Veda – Poetry addressed to the Goddess Dawn – A hymn to the sacrifice post – The Goddess Dawn as the symbol of liberality at the sacrifice – Some erroneous estimates of Goddess Dawn – Agni the son of &quot;Baksheesh&quot; – Practical purposes of Vedic poetry – The Rig-Veda contains the religion of the upper classes – The ritual of the Rig-Veda – The ''āprī''-hymns – Nature-worship the keynote of the Rig-Veda – India's climate and nature-worship – Vedic and Hellenic mythology compared – Arrested anthropomorphism – Definition of the word Pantheon as applied to the Veda – Faulty classifications of the Vedic gods – Chronology of the gods – Different degrees of certainty about the origin of the gods – Classification of the gods in these lectures
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LECTURE THE THIRD.

THE PREHISTORIC GODS.

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India the Land of Religions. – The Veda.

Multiplicity of Hindu religions – Brahmanism – Buddhism – Profound hold of religion upon the Hindu mind – Hindu life dominated by religious institutions – The four stages of life – The institution of caste – Caste then and now – Symptoms of revulsion against caste – Other pernicious religious institutions – Continuity of India's religious history – Date of the conception of ''ṛta,'' or &quot;cosmic order&quot; – Close relationship of the religions of India and Persia – Slight connection between India and Persia in secular history – The Parsis in India – Close relation between Veda and Avesta – The Veda and the Indo-European period – The Veda as a whole – The date of the Veda – Its great uncertainty – Nature of Vedic tradition – The Grotriyas, or &quot;Oral Traditionalists&quot; – Uncertain character of Vedic life and institutions – Origin of the Veda – Contents of Vedic literature as a whole – The four Vedas – The Rig-Veda – The books of the Rig-Veda – Theme and character of the Rig-Veda – A hymn to Goddess Dawn – The Yajur-Veda – Character of the ''yajus''-formulas – The Sāma-Veda – Origin and purpose of the Sāma-Veda – The Atharva-Veda – Contents of the Atharva-Veda – Religious Quality of the Atharva-Veda – Two Atharvan hymns – The Brāhmana Texts – Some legends of the Brāhmanas – The Āranyakas, or &quot;Forest Treatises&quot; – The Upanishads – Literary history of the Upanishads – The Upanishads in the West – Critical estimate of the Upanishads.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Brahmanism, in its manifold aspects, is to this day the religion of about 200 millions of people in India herself, a matter of interest on the face of it. But its universal importance lies with the Brahmanical systems of religious philosophy, especially the two known respectively as Vedānta and Sānkhya. These are two religio-philosophical, or theosophical systems which essay to probe the twin riddle of the universe and human life. They do this in so penetrating a way as to place them by the side of the most profound philosophic endeavors of other nations. The beginnings of this philosophy are found in the so-called Upanishads, a set of treatises which are part of the Veda. The Upanishads contain the higher religion of the Veda. The essence of higher Brahmanical religion is Upanishad religion. The religion of the Upanishads is part of the theme of these lectures.

Buddhism started in the bosom of Brahmanism. Its radical reforms, concerning both doctrine and practical life, are directed in good part against Brahmanism. Yet Buddhism is a religion genuinely&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In another sense India is the land of religions. Nowhere else is the texture of life so much impregnated with religious convictions and practices. At a very early time belief in the transmigration of souls (metempsychosis), whose precise origin in India is still something of a problem, planted itself&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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From the beginning of India's history religious institutions control the character and the development of its people to an extent unknown elsewhere. Hindu life from birth to death, and even after death in the fancied life of the Fathers, or Manes in heaven, is religious, or sacramental throughout. It is surrounded by institutions and practices, and clouded by superstitions which are discarded only by them that have worked their way to the highest philosophical aspects of religion.

The religious life of the Brahmanical Hindu is divided into the four stages&lt;ref&gt;Called ''āçrama,'' literally, &quot;hermitages.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; of religious disciple; {{hws|god|god-fearing}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Over this hovers, like a black cloud, another institution, the system, or rather the chaos, of caste. Its grotesque inconsistencies and bitter tyranny have gone far to make the Hindu what he is. The corrosive properties of this single institution, more than anything else whatsoever, have checked the development of India into a nation. They have made possible the spectacle of a country of nearly 300 millions of inhabitants, governed by the skill of 60,000 military and 60,000 civilian foreigners.

In olden times there were four castes: the Brahman, or priestly caste; the Kshatriya, or warrior caste; the Vaiçya, or merchant and farmer caste; and the Çūdra, or servitor caste. Then came many cross-castes, the result of intermarriages between&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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While a Nayar can pollute a man of a higher cast only by touching him, people of the Kammalan group, including masons, blacksmiths, carpenters, and workers in leather, pollute at a distance of twenty-four feet, toddy drawers at thirty-six feet, Palayan or Cheruman cultivators at forty-eight feet; while in the case of the Paraiyan (Pariahs) who eat beef, the range of pollution is stated to be no less than sixty-four feet.&lt;ref&gt;Quoted from ''New Ideas in India,'' by the Rev. Dr. John Morrison (Edinburgh, 1906), p. 33.&lt;/ref&gt;
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Thus Hindu society is split into infinitely small divisions, each holding itself aloof from the other, each engaged in making its exclusiveness as complete as possible. Members of a lower caste cannot rise into a higher caste; the individual is restricted to such progress only as is possible within the confines of his caste. To the Pariah the door of hope&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Moreover the laws, or rather the vagaries of caste have taken largely the place of practical religion in the mind of the average Hindu who has not emancipated himself through higher philosophy. The supreme law which really concerns him in his daily life is, to eat correctly; to drink correctly; to marry correctly. The broader, more usual, dictates of religion, such as worship of the gods and ethical conduct, are not ignored, but they take a distinctly secondary place. India has at all times put the stamp of religion upon much that Europe counts as social habit, or social institution. There is not, and there seems never to have been, fixed creed in India. Hinduism has always been tolerant, liberal, latitudinarian in matters of abstract belief; tyrannous, illiberal, narrow-minded as regards such social practices as can be in any way connected with religion. Fluidity of doctrine, rigidity of practice may be regarded as the unspoken motto of Hindu religion at all times.

Fortunately there are not wanting signs of a revulsion of feeling which bids fair to sweep the entire system of caste with all its incredible foolishness off the face of the earth. The great Hindu reformer Rāja Rammohun Roy declared as early as the year&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The dreadful institution of Suttee, or widow-burning abolished in 1829, under the administration of Lord William Bentinck, by decree of government; the car of Juggernaut; the sect of the Thugs; and the practice of self-hypnosis to the point of prolonged trance or apparent death, are evidences of the frenzying quality of Hindu religion, and the way it has of overshadowing individual sanity and public interest. There has been, and there still is, too much&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The student of the History of Religions has good reason to think of India as the land of religions in yet another sense. Not only has India produced out of its own mental resources many important religions and theosophic systems, but it has carried on these processes continuously, uninterrupted by distracting outside influences. The Moghul conquests in Northern India introduced Mohammedanism to a limited extent, and Mohammedanism fused with Hinduism in the hybrid religion of the Sikhs. A small number of Zoroastrian Parsis, driven from Persia during the Mohammedan conquest, found&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And yet, the languages of the Hindu Veda and the Persian Avesta, the respective bibles of the two peoples, are mere dialects of the same speech. Students regularly enter upon the study of the Avestan language through the door of the Veda. Entire passages of the Avesta may be turned into good Vedic merely by applying certain regular sound changes. It is said sometimes that there is less difference between the Veda and the Avesta than be-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Yet further, beyond the common period of the Hindus and the Persians, there is a still remoter period which is not entirely closed to our view. It is the common Indo-European time, the time when the Hindus and Persians still shared their language and home with the remaining members of the same stock, the Hellenes, Italians, Celts, Teutons, and Slavs. In this altogether prehistoric time there also existed certain germs of religion, and some of these germs grew into important features of the later religions of these peoples. The religion of the Veda is indebted to this early time to an extent that is not negligible. We shall see later on in what way the two layers of prehistoric religious matter have contributed to and affected&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Here, however, enters one of the curiosities of Hindu religious life. The adherents of a certain Veda or Vedic school, no matter whether the text of that school was reduced to writing or not, must, in theory, know their texts by heart. These are the so-called Çrotriyas or &quot;Oral Traditionalists.&quot; They live to this day, being, as it were, living manuscripts of their respective Vedas. The eminent Hindu scholar, the late Shankar Pandurang Pandit, tells us in the preface to his great Bombay edition of the Atharva-Veda how he used three of these oral reciters of the Atharva-Veda out of a total of only four that were at that time still alive in the Dekkhan; and how their oral authority proved to be quite as weighty as the written authority of his manuscripts. These living manuscripts were respectively, Messrs. Bāpujī Jīvanrām; Keçava Bhat bin Dājī Bhat; and Venkan Bhatjī, the last &quot;the most celebrated Atharva&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We are waiting now for the time when the India Exploration Society shall step out from its existence on paper, and take hold of the shovel and the spade. With bated breath we shall then be watching to see whether great good fortune will make it possible to dig through the thick crust of centuries that are piled upon the Vedic period. If so, it will be something like the revelation of the Mycenean age that was found at the root of Hellenic civilisation. Until that time Vedic life and institutions, reported only by word of mouth, must remain an uncertain quantity. The hymns of the Veda are to a considerable degree cloudy, turgid, and mystic; taken by themselves they will never yield a clear picture of human life that fits any time or place. We have from the entire Vedic period no annals except priestly annals, or such at least as have been edited by priests. It is as though we relied upon cloister chronicles alone for our knowledge of the politics and institutions of a certain time. Or, to use an even homelier comparison, as though we had to reconstruct the social conditions of a more modern time from an intercepted boarding-school correspondence. The poets,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We do not even know exactly what a term as familiar as ''rāja'' (''rēx'') &quot;King,&quot; meant in those early days. Was a Rāja a great potentate, or merely a tribal chieftain? We know that the early Vedic period was a cattle-raising age. The lowing of kine was lovely music to the ear of the Vedic poet. But there were also workers in metals, chariots, navigation of some kind, gold, jewels, and trade. This is all too vague, and to some extent introduces uncertain quantities into our estimation of Vedic religion.

At an unknown date then, as we have had to confess reluctantly, Aryan tribes or clans (''viç''&lt;ref&gt;From this word is derived ''vaiçya,'' the later name of the third, or agricultural and merchant caste.&lt;/ref&gt;) began to migrate from the Iranian highlands to the north of the Hindu-Kush Mountains into the north-west of India, the plains of the river Indus and its tributaries, the Panjab, or the land of the five streams.&lt;ref&gt;Professor E. W. Hopkins, ''Journal of the American Oriental Society,'' vol. xix., pp. 19-28, argues that the majority of the Vedic hymns were composed farther east than the Panjab, in the region of the modern city of Amballa, between the rivers Sarasouti and Ghuggar.&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A little over 1000 hymns, containing about 10,000 stanzas, equal in bulk to Homer's poems, are divided into ten ''mandalas,'' &quot;circles,&quot; or, as we should say, books. Inside of these books the hymns are arranged according to a regular scheme: first, in the order of the number of hymns addressed to a particular god, beginning with the largest number and continuing in a descending scale. Next, each god's hymns are arranged according to the length of each single hymn, again in a descending scale. Six of these ten books (ii-vii), the so-called &quot;family-books,&quot; form the nucleus of the collection. Each of these is supposed to have been composed by a different Rishi, poet or seer, or rather by some family of poets who would&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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On the whole and in the main, as we shall see, the Rig-Veda is a collection of priestly hymns addressed to the gods of the Vedic Pantheon. The chanting of these hymns is regularly accompanied by libations of the intoxicating drink called ''soma,'' and of melted butter, or ghee (''ghṛta''). The enduring interest of the Rig-Veda as literature lies in those old priestly poets' vision of the beauty, the majesty, and the power of the gods, and in the myths and legends told of them, or, more often, merely alluded to in connection with them. But the paramount importance of the Rig-Veda is after all not as literature, but as philosophy. Its mythology represents a clearer, even if not always chronologically earlier stage of thought and religious development than is to be found in any parallel literature. On one side at least it is primitive in conception, and constructive under our very eyes: how a personal god develops by personification out of a visible fact in nature (anthropomorphosis) no literary document in the world teaches as well as the Rig-Veda. The original nature of the Vedic gods, however, is not always clear, not as clear as was once fondly thought. The analysis of these barely translucent, or altogether opaque characters makes up a chapter of Vedic science as&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Yajur-Veda is a later collection in the main, though it contains much substance that is old, old enough, indeed, to be prehistoric. But like all other Vedic collections, its redaction, at any rate, presupposes the Rig-Veda. A good many verses of the Rig-Veda reappear in the Yajur-Veda, usually not in the exact form of the Rig-Veda, but taken out of their connection, and altered and adapted to new ends which were foreign to the mind of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But the characteristic element of this Veda are the ''yajus,'' or formulas in prose, often more or less rhythmic prose. To these this Veda owes its name. They are, by the way, unquestionably the oldest prose on record in the literatures of the Indo-European peoples. These formulas are often brief and concise, mere dedications or swift prayers, accompanying an action, and sometimes hardly addressed to any one in particular. So, for instance, &quot;Thee for Agni&quot; (''agnaye tvā''), or &quot;This to Agni&quot; (''idam agneḥ''), indicate that an object is dedicated to the god Agni. Or, &quot;Thee for strength&quot; is the briefest prayer, or rather magically compelling wish, that the use of a certain article may give strength to the sacrificer. But they swell out from this brevity to long solemn litanies that betray at times such a measure of good sense as may at best be expected in these doings. Often, however, they are sunk in the deepest depths of imbecility, mere verbiage intent upon silly puns on the names of the things used at the sacrifice. When an animal victim is tied to the post the priest addresses the rope with the words, &quot;Do not turn serpent, do not turn viper!&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Then she was sorry for him in her heart. And she spake: 'A year from to-day thou shalt come; then thou mayest tarry with me one night. Till then thy son whom I am bearing shall have been born.' And that night a year he returned. Behold there was a golden palace. Then they said to him, 'Enter here.' Then they sent Urvaçī to him. And she spake: 'To-morrow the Gandharvas will grant thee a wish; choose one.' He said, 'Choose thou for me.' She advises him to say, 'I desire to become one of you.' The next morning the Gandharvas grant him a wish. And he says, 'I wish to become one of you.'
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Here are a couple of short legends, crisp and clear-cut as cameos. They show that, just as the early gods of India are nature-gods, so the early legends are engrossed with problems of nature and the world. The first of these snatches&lt;ref&gt;Maitrāyanī Sanhitā 1. 5. 12.&lt;/ref&gt; may be entitled

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Yama and Yamī ('the twins') are the first man and woman. Yama died. The gods sought to console Yamī for the death of Yama. When they asked her she said, 'To-day he hath died.' They said: 'In this way she will never forget him. Let us create night!' Day only at that time existed, not night. The gods created night. Then morrow came into being. Then she forgot him. Hence, they say, 'Days and nights make men forget sorrow.'&quot;
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The second legend&lt;ref&gt;Maitrāyanī Sanhitā 1. 10. 13. ''cf.'' Pischel, ''Vedische Studien,'' i., 174 ''ff.''&lt;/ref&gt; may be entitled

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At the end of the Brāhmanas appears a class of texts known as Āranyakas, or &quot;Forest Treatises.&quot; The meaning of this name is not altogether clear. It seems probable that these works were recited by hermits living in the forest, or, more precisely, those who went to the forest to live, at the time when they entered the third stage of Hindu life, preparatory to final emancipation.&lt;ref&gt;See below, p. 288.&lt;/ref&gt; According to another, less likely, view they are texts which were taught by teacher to pupil in the solitude of the forest, rather than in the profaner surroundings of the town or village this because the quiet of the forest harmonised better with the sanctity of their contents. In either view it is difficult to see why so much ado should have been made about them. The Āranyakas are later than the Brāhmanas; this follows from the position they occupy at the end of these texts, and from their contents. On top of descriptions of sacrificial ceremonies we have here symbolism of the sacrifice and priestly philosophy of the most fantastic order. The real ritual perform-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Āranyakas are symptomatic and transitional. The important symptom, if we understand the matter aright, is the subordination of the mere act of the sacrifice to its allegorical, or, as we might say, spiritual meaning. This suppression of the material side of the ritual bridges over to the last class of texts which the Veda has to offer along this line of evolution. They are the famous Upanishads, the early philosophical or theosophical texts of India,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The philosophic and religious quality of the Upanishads will occupy a good deal of our attention when we come to the higher religion of the Veda in the fifth and sixth lectures of this course. For the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Persian pronunciation of the word Upanishad is Oupnekhat. It happened that the Frenchman Anquetil du Perron, the famous pioneer in the study of the Zoroastrian religion of the Parsis, was living in India in 1775. There he became interested in the Persian Oupnekhat, and later on made a Latin translation of Dārā Shukho's version. This was published in Strassburg in two volumes (vol. i. in 1801; vol. ii. in 1802). This translation proved eventful in the West. At that comparatively recent&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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With all due respect for these great thinkers, I believe that Sanskrit scholars in general incline to a soberer estimate of the Upanishads. With the Hindu view of revelation we need not quarrel. As to the question whether the Upanishads are inspired, we may safely intrust its decision to the broadening spirit of the conception of inspiration, which at the present time is everywhere in evidence in the world. More to the point is, that the Upanishads contain in fact no system of thought, though they did unquestionably inspire later Hindu systematic philosophy. We are often vexed with their unstable, contradictory, and partly foolish statements. The commanding thought of the Upanishads – monism, or the doctrine of unity precedes the Upanishads in the Rig-Veda; unfortunately we do not know by how many years or centuries. Above all, we cannot and should not forget that underneath Upanishad thought, as underneath all advanced Hindu thought, is found the belief in transmigration of souls, a picturesque notion which to the very end retains the quality of folk-lore, rather than the quality of philosophy.&lt;ref&gt;See below, p 254.&lt;/ref&gt; But to the Hindus of the Upanishads this belief is an axiom. After all, the prime interest&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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For a generation or two since the real beginnings of the study of the Veda, say fifty years ago, and enduring more faintly to the present day, the imagination of scholars thought it saw in the hymns of the Rig-Veda the earliest spontaneous outbursts of the primitive mind, face to face with the phenomena of nature. The poets of the Rig-Veda were supposed to be simple sons of nature. Awe-struck and reverent, they were supposed to be pondering, without ulterior motive of any kind, the meaning of day and night; of dawn, sun, and moon; of sky, thunder, and lightning; of atmosphere and wind; of earth and fire. The Rig-Veda was the &quot;Aryan Bible,&quot; containing the earliest flashes of the religious thought of awakening&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Once more I must tax your patience and return to Dawn's epithet ''dakshiṇā,'' or &quot;baksheesh.&quot; In Rig-Veda 3. 58. 1 Dawn, under the name of Dakshinā is called the Daughter of Heaven, and Agni, the God of Fire, is called the Son of Dakshinā. What is really meant is, that Agni is the son of Dawn. We have here a double ritual touch which becomes clear only through deep sympathy with the economy of the sacrifice. Why should Agni, &quot;Fire,&quot; be the son of Dawn? Is it that Dawn means &quot;light,&quot; and light is fire? That would be the far-fetched poetic derivation; I wish to accuse no scholar of having made it. Poetically we think of fire especially as an evening phenomenon, not as a phenomenon of the sober morning. I doubt whether the farmer, as he splits kindling for the breakfast fire of a cold winter morning, cheers himself with the poetic thought that the breakfast fire is the son of Dawn. Our farmers are not temperamentally inclined that way. But it is another matter with the sacrificer who must beautify and beatify all his acts, and throw into them a dash of cajolery. The fact is that the god Agni is also a prized and much extolled divinity of the morning, because the first act of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We are now better prepared to bear up under the statement that Vedic religion is from the very first moment practical and utilitarian, and that the Vedic people, to begin with, practise their religion for what there is in it. The Rig-Veda with its worship of the great nature-gods represents from the start a form of worship very similar, though apparently neither as extensive nor as formal and rigid as the later technical ritual of the Yajur-Vedas and the Brāhmanas. The poetry of the Rig-Veda is in the main also really dull and mechanical, but we have seen that, in good part, it is leavened by true beauty of conception, fineness of observation, and all the circumstances of literary composition which we of modern times are accustomed to see at work with its eyes shut – or half shut – to practical considerations. We must not be misled by these mental defects of the Vedic poets into an exaggeratedly&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The religion of the Rig-Veda, much like the later&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In fact the body of the Rig-Veda presupposes the ordinary form of the ''soma'' sacrifice which extends through an entire day, in the manner of the so-called ''jyotishṭoma'' of the later ceremonial. Or, rather, it is largely a collection of the hymns composed by vari-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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One important class of hymns, the so-called ''āprī''-hymns, that is, &quot;songs of invitation,&quot; consist of individual stanzas which invoke certain divinities and personifications of acts and utensils, preliminary to the sacrifice of cattle at the ''soma'' rites.&lt;ref&gt;See Max Müller, ''History of Ancient Sanskrit Literature,'' p. 463 ''ff''; Roth, ''Yāska's Nirukta,'' p. xxxvi ''ff''; Weber, ''Indische Studien,'' x. 89 ''ff''; Grassmann, ''Translation of the Rig-Veda,'' vol. i., p. 6; Bergaigne, ''Journal Asiatique,'' 1879, p. 17.&lt;/ref&gt; God Fire (Agni) is especially called upon under different,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Large numbers of technical, ritualistic words and expressions crowd the pages of the Rig-Veda. Its metres are finished and conventional to a very high degree; they are also, to some extent, distributed among the gods, so that a given metre is associated especially with a certain god. For instance, the ''gāyatrī'' is the metre of the god Agni; the ''trishtubh'' the metre of the god Indra. They are also distributed to some extent according to the time of the day: the ''gāyatrī'' in the morning, the ''trishtubh'' at noon, the ''jagatī'' at evening. Above all, the advanced character of the Rig-Veda's ritual manifests itself in the large number of different designations for priests. These occur not only singly, but in series: the names of these priests are largely, though not entirely, the names of the priests of the later ceremonial.&lt;ref&gt;See Hillebrandt, ''Rituallitteratur,'' p. 11 ''ff,'' and the literature cited on p. 17 of the same work.&lt;/ref&gt;

And yet the poetry of the Rig-Veda is, in a deeper sense, original. It is primitive religious poetry, if by primitive we mean uninterrupted contact with the last source of its inspiration. The final judgment of its character, after all, depends not so much&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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another mythology, that of the Greeks. This is also
based upon nature, but nature is soon forgotten,
or, if not entirely forgotten, much obscured by
after-born movements. Owing to a curious slip,
fortunate from the artistic side, unfortunate from
the religious and mythical side, Greek mythology
fell too completely into the hands of the people.
Poets, artists, and even philosophers handle it, each
in their own way. But there is a notable absence
of those Rishis of the Veda who, with all their too
human sordidness and all their Hindu fancifulness
see the great realities of the world with their eyes
wide open, and work their way slowly but with
secure touch from the single and separate manifesta-
tions of nature in the Rig-Veda to the absolute One
Being which is nature as a whole, that is the idea of
unity as finally settled in the Upanishads. The
finest flower of Greek mythology, great Zeus, of
whom Hesiod says, πάντα ἰδὼν ὀφθαλμὸς καὶ
πάντα νοήσας, &quot;The eye of Zeus which sees all and
knows all,&quot; or of whom the old Orphic hymn sings,
Ζεὺς ἀρχή, Ζεὺς μέσσα, Διὸς δ' ἐκ πάντα τέτυκται,
&quot;Zeus is the beginning, Zeus is the middle, on Zeus
all is founded,&quot; is at the same time the flippant,
breezy Jove to whom the poets ascribe foibles
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We know from the history of the later classical Sanskrit literature that India's climate and physiography have kept her poets in touch with nature to a degree unknown elsewhere, until we come to the modern nature poets. Even so, the transparency of the Vedic Pantheon as a whole remains surprising. This results in what we may call arrested personification, or arrested anthropomorphism, and this is the very genius of Vedic religion, and more especially of the religion of the Rig-Veda. Nothing so much as this has enabled the early Hindu thinkers to think out anew, a second and a third time, what had been apparently settled to everybody's final satisfaction,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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erudition are valued much by the Hindus, as well as by Western scholars, have not increased my belief in his authority, or decreased my faith in the infinite possibilities of his ineptitude. Still this procession of the gods along the hours of the day has great interest for the Vedic ritual and the explanation of the gods themselves. Touches of it appear in the hymns themselves, as when the Rig-Veda&lt;ref&gt;1. 157. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; groups very neatly the gods of the morning:

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There is another, more permanent traditional Hindu division of the gods which arranges them in three classes, mostly of eleven each, according to their place or habitat in nature or the cosmos, that is, in sky, mid-air, and earth. The classification is first made in Rig-Veda 1. 139. 11: to some extent it remains good ever after. This topography of nature has a strong hold on the early religion: times without&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Celestial gods: Dyaus or Dyaush Pitar (&quot;Sky&quot; or &quot;Father Sky&quot;), Varuna, Mitra. Sūrya and the Ādityas, Savitar, Pūshan, Vishnu, Ushas, and the Açvins.&lt;ref&gt;See the index at the end of this book for these and most of the following gods.&lt;/ref&gt;

Atmospheric gods: Vāta or Vāyu (&quot;Wind&quot;) Indra, Parjanya, Rudra, and the Maruts.

Terrestrial gods: Prithivī (&quot;Earth&quot;), Agni, and Soma.

This threefold division, in order to be consistent, would have to be carried on to the end, so as to include all the gods. As a matter of fact it is uncertain in many places, even when carried no farther. We are not so certain as are the Hindus that Indra, for instance, is a god of the mid-air,&lt;ref&gt;See below, p. 173.&lt;/ref&gt; even though we must admire this, on the whole successful, appreciation of the place in nature that belongs to a goodly proportion of the chief gods.

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Next come the gods which have been coined in hot haste out of the phenomena of nature in a glowing subtropical climate, or have been imbued anew with the vitality of India's imposing nature. These have not had time to forget their own origin – they are, as I have called them, the gods of arrested personification or arrested anthropomorphism. They are the beacon lights of Vedic religion, of Comparative Mythology, and of the Science of Religion. They are the rare guides and philosophers on this labyrinthine and rocky road; they have made the Veda the training-school of the study of religion. Since they show in a given number of cases just what&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Again, it is still as true as ever that a large number of the gods, whether early or late, are nature-gods whose origin, we regret to say, has been somewhat obscured by later processes. They again make up for the student of the Veda a class, the most important as well as the most difficult theme of investigation. Every nation's mythology must contain gods of this class. They bring with them problems that will never be dismissed until they are finally answered – and that, paradoxically, may never be, I have in mind gods like Varuna, Indra, and the Açvins. To some Vedic scholars it seems without doubt begging the question to speak of nature-gods in cases when we do not know for certain what was the natural object that was personified. No one can say at this time that the origin of either Varuna, Indra, or the Açvins has been definitely settled. Yet, for my part I confess to that faith, because I remember that such uncertainty represents in truth the normal result of mythologic development. As a rule, a nature-god does not remain transparent for ever: the opposite happens far more frequently, as may be seen, again and again, in Hellenic or Teutonic mythology. Really durable myths are, as a rule, mixed myths, and, therefore, more or less obscure myths. A cer-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The difficulties which have beset Comparative Mythology are of various sorts: First, the unquestionable delicacy, clear to the point of fragility, of prehistoric materials. Next, the imagination of scholars who incline to such studies is prone, by the very terms of its existence, to be a little excessive. The first results of the science were so striking and fascinating that its development went on too fast, its conclusions became too hasty. May the shades of Theodor Benfey, Adalbert Kuhn, and Max Müller pardon me if I say that their almost poetic genius did at times take flight from the firm earth into sheer cloudland – &quot;where birds can no longer fly.&quot; Unquestionably they did compare some mythological names because of the faintest and shakiest phonetic resemblances. Intuitive fanciful explanations of the most complicated myths do to some extent masquerade as scientific results in their writings, and in the writings of the school that grew up mushroom-like about them. A science based upon vague and general resemblances of both things and words could not be otherwise than faulty both as to its details and its philosophic generalizations. In brief, Comparative Mythology suffered from the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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For instance, the Indo-Europeans make much of the worship of the sun as a supreme being. But so do the Iroquois Indians, and many other savage or semi-barbarous peoples. It is indeed true, and it is an important truth, that the human race, endowed as it is essentially alike, is liable anywhere and at any time to incorporate in its beliefs this most imposing and deifiable visible object in all nature, the sun, the source of light and heat, seasons and vegetation. This is the simple ethnological fact. The fact in Indo-European Comparative Mythology is a different one: it is a historical fact. In the early period of each Indo-European people heaven, its agents and powers, including of course the sun, were, as we know on excellent authority, worshipped or deified. We are therefore to-day, as formerly, securely intrenched in the conviction that the worship of heaven and the visible heavenly phenomena, more or less personalised, did in fact form the common kernel of Indo-European religion. Now do I fail to see what the beliefs of other peoples, not Indo-European, along the same line, have to do with this particular case, except to show that the Indo-Europeans were&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I have devoted of recent years considerable effort to the statement and explanation of the myth of Cerberus, the dog of Hades. The Veda has two Cerberi, who are said to belong to King Yama. Yama was the first royal man who started the practice of dying. He then went aloft to heaven, and found there, once for all, a choice place where the sons of man might disport themselves after death. There he rules as Yama, the King of Paradise.

The Vedic texts look upon this pair of dogs in a variety of ways. First, the soul of man has to get past them in order to get to heaven. This is the familiar Cerberus idea. Secondly, the two dogs of Yama pick out daily candidates for death. Thirdly, the dogs are entrusted with the care of the souls of the dead on their way to join Yama in heaven. Now we might almost ask with the riddle: &quot;What is it?&quot; I wonder whether there is not present in this audience some ingenious man or woman who can guess what real pair in nature on the way to heaven, coursing like dogs across the heaven, can harmonise these discrepant points of view. But we are not left to guess. The Vedic texts tell us in plain language that they are the sun and the moon, or as they are&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In brief, once more, there are two luminous sons of heaven, conceived as horsemen, and as helpers of men in all kinds of sore straits. They are in loving relation with another, feminine, heavenly divinity conceived as a &quot;Sun-Maiden,&quot; or &quot;Daughter of the Sun.&quot; This relation is crossed by another affair between the &quot;Sun-Maiden&quot; and the Moon. To conceptions of this sort the Indo-Europeans, before their separation into the peoples of historical times, had advanced. The changes and additions to the myth are not surprising; surprising is, that the myth should have retained its chief features during great periods of time, in very various surroundings, and under the constant pressure of a flood of remodelling ideas poured out upon it by the fertile mind of man, and tending constantly to obliterate the more primitive and simple fancies.

I have dwelt before upon the almost romantic interest which attaches itself to the relationship of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The religion of the Veda, as we have observed, rests upon the material foundation of cult and sacrifice. These performances are not always regarded merely as merchandise wherewith to traffic for the blessings of the gods. They begin to evolve intrinsic virtues and harmonies. In a later time, the time of the Yajur-Vedas, as we have seen,&lt;ref&gt;Above, p. 31.&lt;/ref&gt; the technical acts of the sacrifice are imbued with magic and divine power. But even in the Rig-Veda the sacrifice fire is kindled under the &quot;yoking of the ''ṛta'',&quot; or, as we should say, under the auspices of world order. Agni, the god of

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We may now turn to the second great sphere of Indo-Iranian mythology. It deals with the first men and sacrificers, and the ''soma''-liquor, the most distinguished sacrifice to the gods.

One of the duties of primitive man as he grows into the irksome habit of looking for the reason of things is to find a reason for himself. He does not take himself for granted, but assumes that he originated from something or other. This is as a rule not as easy as it is in the myth of Deucalion. All that he had to do was to throw stones, the bones of Mother Earth, behind him, and, behold, there were men. The abstract benevolent Divinity turning himself into a creative Father God is not always at hand; he does not on the whole represent a very primitive form of thought, certainly not in India. An important and widespread conception, partly religious in character, is Totemism. This is founded on the belief that the human race, or, more frequently, that given clans and families derive their descent from animals: totemic names like &quot;Bear&quot; and &quot;Wolf&quot; carry traces of this sort of belief into our time. This particular question is a splendid&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We have met previously the greatest parents of them all: Heaven and Earth. Their union was conceived in early Indo-European times as the fruitful source of the heavenly gods. Occasionally they shoulder the additional responsibility for the human race as well. In the Indo-Iranian period there was a personage, Vedic Vivasvant, Avestan Vīvanhvant, who figures rather paradoxically as the father of the first men, Yama and Manu. He is, as the Vedic texts state distinctly and intelligently, the Sun conceived as the Father of men.&lt;ref&gt;See Hillebrandt, ''Vedische Mythologie,'' vol. i., p. 488 ''ff.''&lt;/ref&gt; God Agni, Fire,&quot; is occasionally regarded as the progenitor of men.&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 1. 96. 2; 10. 53. 6.&lt;/ref&gt; There is in this some vague symbolic connection with the process of obtaining fire by friction. This is the Vedic process: the two sticks which are rubbed are conceived as parents; Agni is their child, the first progeny, and, next, possibly, the first man. Certainly the epithet ''āyu,'' &quot;living,&quot; is used, on a large scale,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We have met previously the greatest parents of them all: Heaven and Earth. Their union was conceived in early Indo-European times as the fruitful source of the heavenly gods. Occasionally they shoulder the additional responsibility for the human race as well. In the Indo-Iranian period there was a personage, Vedic Vivasvant, Avestan Vīvanhvant, who figures rather paradoxically as the father of the first men, Yama and Manu. He is, as the Vedic texts state distinctly and intelligently, the Sun conceived as the Father of men.&lt;ref&gt;See Hillebrandt, ''Vedische Mythologie,'' vol. i., p. 488 ''ff.''&lt;/ref&gt; God Agni, Fire,&quot; is occasionally regarded as the progenitor of men.&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 1. 96. 2; 10. 53. 6.&lt;/ref&gt; There is in this some vague symbolic connection with the process of obtaining fire by friction. This is the Vedic process: the two sticks which are rubbed are conceived as parents; Agni is their child, the first progeny, and, next, possibly, the first man. Certainly the epithet ''āyu,'' &quot;living,&quot; is used, on a large scale,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Now the Veda discloses, and all Hindu tradition harps upon, a father of the human race by the name of Manu, or Manush Pitar, &quot;Father Manu.&quot; The word ''manu'' is nothing else than our own word “man&quot;: there is good reason to believe that this &quot;original man&quot; was set up as a kind of Adam or Noah in Indo-European times.&lt;ref&gt;Compare Tacitus, ''Germania,'' chapter 2: &quot;They [the Germans] honor Tuisto, a god who has sprung from the earth, and his son Mannus, as the originators and founders of the race.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; For a while the primitive mind seems to be well content with this eponymous man: later on, as I shall presently show, Manu is in his turn duly furnished with a well-established father, Vivasvant, about whose origin people have ceased to worry.

From a later time, yet still a very early time, namely, the Indo-Iranian period, comes the Vedic myth of Yama, the son of Vivasvant. This myth is the clearest and best-preserved common piece of property of the two religions. As to the component ideas of this myth I see no room for doubt. Yama means &quot;twin.&quot; He is the male of the obligatory twin pair that is required to people the world in real earnest. The female Yamī, little as is said about her in the earlier parts of the myth, plays Eve to Yama's&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The final outcome of these mythic entanglements are two progenitors of the human race: Yama the son of Vivasvant, and Manu the son of Vivasvant. They remind us in a way of Adam and Noah, especially as Manu is the hero of the Hindu flood-legend, which is astonishingly like the account of the book of Genesis. Vivasvant and his double progeny all of them are endowed for a good while with purely human qualities. According as the profane or sacred interest preponderates these first, and, of course, great men become kings or great sacrificers of yore. Manu is the typical first sacrificer. The later sacrificer of the time of the Veda, as he performs on his sacrificial place, fancies himself a Manu, doing like Manu (''manuṣvat''), in the house of Manu. In the Avesta Vīvanhvant is the first mortal who pressed the drink ''haoma'' (''soma'') in behalf of the corporeal world. His son Yima and his descendants continued to do so, but Yima turns rather into a worldly ruler, the king of a golden age, in which there is nor old age nor death; nor heat nor cold; nor want nor disease. He becomes the leading Epic personality in later Persian times. In the Avesta he is called &quot;Ruler Yima,&quot; Yima Khshaeta; this ex-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The myth takes another, even more important turn in the Veda. Yama is the first mortal king who died and found for the race of men a heaven where they may rejoice in the company of the pious dead, especially those pious archpriests of mythical antiquity, the Angiras. He is the first of mortals who died and went forth to this heaven:&lt;ref&gt;Atharva-Veda 18. 3. 13.&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;Where is Vivasvant's son, the king, where is heaven's firm abode, where are yonder flowing waters, there let me live immortal.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 9. 113. 8.&lt;/ref&gt; &quot;He (Yama) went before and found a dwelling from which no power can shut us out. Our fathers of old have travelled the path: it leads every earth-born mortal thither. There, in the midst of the highest heaven, beams unfading light, and eternal waters flow; there every wish is fulfilled on the rich meadows of Yama.&quot; &quot;These blessed have left behind them the decrepitude of their bodies; they are not lame nor crooked of limb.&lt;ref&gt;Atharva-Veda 3. 28. 5; 6. 120. 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

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Mythically, this wonderful drink was conceived as coming from heaven, the type on earth of the heavenly fluid that is hidden in the clouds. In the Veda a heavenly eagle, doubtless the lightning, breaks through the brazen castle, the cloud, within which the heavenly fluid is confined, and carries it off to earth, that is, causes it to pour down upon the earth. It is the simple phenomenon of cloud, lightning, and downpour of refreshing and life-giving rain which is turned into the heavenly prototype of this delightful drink.&lt;ref&gt;See the author in ''Journal of the American Oriental Society,'' xvi., 1 ''ff.'' For analogous conceptions in Greek mythology, see Usener in ''Rheinisches Museum,'' lx., 24 ''ff.'' For winged lightning see Jacobsthal, ''Der Blitz in der Orientalischen und Griechischen Kunst,'' p. 19, 25 ''ff,'' 36 ''ff,'' 42.&lt;/ref&gt;

The Iranian ''haoma'' is also fetched from heaven by a bird, though the manner of his descent to earth is not told. In both literatures the drink finally turns god, slays demons, casts missiles, and gains in his perfect wisdom&lt;ref&gt;Vedic ''sukratu'' = Avestan ''hukhratu.''&lt;/ref&gt; light for&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Agni is, next to Indra, the most prominent god of the Rig-Veda, quantitatively speaking. He is the theme of more than two hundred hymns, and owes his special prominence to the personification of the sacred fire which is present at all Vedic performances. In the hieratic (in distinction from the popular) hymns of the Rig-Veda there will be few cases in which Agni is not more or less directly connected with the sacrifice. And it is well now to take this simple article, the sacrifice fire, and let it unfold its own story step by step. How it turns in the hands of these priestly poets into a person gifted with the thinly disguised qualities of fire; into a messenger mediating between men and gods; into an archpriest typical of holy rites; and finally into a god. But to the end, as we shall show, the origin of all these ideas is never forgotten; the god remains a more or less well-assorted bundle of fire qualities and fire epithets. Therefore, too, he remains to the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Sanskrit word ''agnis,'' &quot;fire,&quot; at all events, is Indo-European; Latin ''ignis,'' Lithuanian ''ugnis,'' Old Slavic ''ogni.'' Some kind of worship of the sacrifice fire, and with it some degree of personification, is likely to have taken place in Indo-European times. The Greeks and Romans, as well as the Aryans, offered libations to the fire when using it to convey offerings to their gods. But there was no definite result that we know of; the chaste figure of Hestia of the Greeks, or Vesta of the Romans, contrasted with boisterous male Agni, shows that the initial conception must have been faint and unstable, to enable it to produce shapes so thoroughly diverse. In the main God Agni is in every essential a product of the poet-priests of the Rig-Veda.

In India, as elsewhere, fire was produced by friction, and this mode of starting fire was obligatory as far as the sacrifice fire was concerned. The two fire-sticks, or drills, called ''araṇī,'' are therefore Agni's parents, the upper stick being the male, the lower the female. They produce him under the name of Āyu &quot;Living&quot;; wonderful to narrate, from the dry
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The Sanskrit word ''agnis,'' &quot;fire,&quot; at all events, is Indo-European; Latin ''ignis,'' Lithuanian ''ugnis,'' Old Slavic ''ognĭ.'' Some kind of worship of the sacrifice fire, and with it some degree of personification, is likely to have taken place in Indo-European times. The Greeks and Romans, as well as the Aryans, offered libations to the fire when using it to convey offerings to their gods. But there was no definite result that we know of; the chaste figure of Hestia of the Greeks, or Vesta of the Romans, contrasted with boisterous male Agni, shows that the initial conception must have been faint and unstable, to enable it to produce shapes so thoroughly diverse. In the main God Agni is in every essential a product of the poet-priests of the Rig-Veda.

In India, as elsewhere, fire was produced by friction, and this mode of starting fire was obligatory as far as the sacrifice fire was concerned. The two fire-sticks, or drills, called ''araṇī,'' are therefore Agni's parents, the upper stick being the male, the lower the female. They produce him under the name of Āyu &quot;Living&quot;; wonderful to narrate, from the dry
wood the god is born living. At once he becomes the type of human progeny, and faintly figures as, or suggests the first man and the originator of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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With a different touch, because powerful exertion is required to produce Agni by friction, he is frequently called &quot;Son of Strength.&quot;

The pronounced ritualist quality of the poetry of the Rig-Veda fixes Agni as a divinity of the morning, rather than of the night. Interpretations of Rig-Veda passages which involve reference to something like the cosy family hearth, the tea-kettle simmering, the wind soughing outside, are generally moonshine. Nor is his definite association with the morning just what we should expect it to be from our point of view; no suggestion, perchance, of the merry dairy-maid milking the cows, or the housewife busy with a comfortable breakfast. Familiar, home-life touches are not absent altogether even in the Rig-Veda; they are more abundant in the &quot;House-books&quot; (Gṛhya-Sūtras). But in the main Agni is cosmic and ritualistic, and little else. He dispels the darkness, destroys the demons of night. He throws open the gates of darkness; earth and sky are seen when Agni is born in the morning. He is even&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In fact the gods cannot subsist without him. A very neat story which, as usual, remains one of the stock themes of story-telling India in later times, tells in two hymns of the Rig-Veda&lt;ref&gt;10. 51 and 52.&lt;/ref&gt; how Agni on a certain occasion tired of this service. Agni has it born in upon him that his older brothers have worn themselves out in their job, and concludes that he had better dodge a like fate. Whereupon he escapes into the waters. But the god Yama discovers and betrays him, and Varuna, as the spokesman of the gods, finally induces him for a consideration to resume the task of expediting the sacrifice to the gods.&lt;ref&gt;For other later tales of Agni lost and found again see the Mahābhārata legends in Holtzmann, ''Agni nach den Vorstellungen des Mahābhārata,'' p. 12 ''ff.''&lt;/ref&gt; The names which he obtains in this capacity, such as &quot;oblation-eater&quot; and &quot;oblation-carrier,&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''Hutāça, hutāçana, hutabhuj, havyabhaksha,'' etc.; ''hutavaha, havyavah, havyavāhana,'' etc.&lt;/ref&gt; reappear familiarly in the Mahābhārata and later. There they are pigeon-holed, along with numerous other names, to be selected in the manner of the Norse kennings, to vary the diction, to swell its dignity, and to ease the task of the verse-maker. With a different turn, he brings the gods to the sac-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Agni officiates at the sacrifice and becomes the divine counterpart of the earthly priesthood: house-priest, serving-priest, and priest in general, as states the very first stanza of the Rig-Veda. As such he also inspires, or invents the brilliant speech and thought of prayer, and, what is very important, he frees from sin. For the sacrifice, of course, is the staple means of conciliating the gods when they are supposed to be angry. The idea of priesthood blends with that of seer and sage. He is so expert and well-travelled as to assume in a very pronounced sense the qualities of omniscience and omnipresence.&lt;ref&gt;''Cf.'' Holtzmann's essay, cited above, p. 5.&lt;/ref&gt;

He knows everything by virtue of his wisdom; he embraces wisdom as a felly does the wheel. The adjective ''kavikratu,'' &quot;possessing the intellect of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I have used the term transparent in connection with divine personifications whose naturalistic basis and whose starting point in human consciousness is absolutely clear. Now the term translucent, figure of speech though it is, I wish to be understood in its plain physical sense. It refers to mythic formations whose structural outline may still be traced with a great deal of truth, although it is obscured by incrustations of secondary matter. It is often merely the loss of the original simple name which is the cause of the obscuration. Divinities of the name &quot;Dawn&quot; (Ushas), &quot;Sun&quot; (Sūrya), or &quot;Fire&quot; (Agni), bring credentials that every one can read. But the quick substitution of an attractive, or pointed epithet for the original name may plague the investigator for all time to come, and deprive him of mathematical certainty, even though every instinct draws him in the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Tho two Açvins, the Dioscuri, are translucent gods. They harbor some phenomenon of morning light as one part of their dual character. The other is probably the corresponding phenomenon at eve. But just what this duality is we were unable to say.&lt;ref&gt;See above, p. 116.&lt;/ref&gt; It is something to have limited this brilliant Indo-European myth so far, and to find behind it reason rather than idle fancy. The god Varuna, as we have seen, belongs also to this class; for better or for worse interpretation will turn to some phenomenon&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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If I am not mistaken, I have done the cause of Vishnu a service in pointing out that the name itself is compounded of the two words ''vi'' and ''snu,'' meaning &quot;through the back.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''American Journal of Philology,'' vol. xvii., p. 428.&lt;/ref&gt; The leading fact in Vishnu's activity in the Veda is that he takes three strides (''tredhā vi kram''). A passage in the Sāma-Veda states that &quot;Vishnu strode through over the back of the earth.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Sāma-Veda 2. 1024, ''yato vishṇur vi cakrame pṛthivyā adhi sānavi.''&lt;/ref&gt; Here the word for &quot;through&quot; is ''vi;'' the word for &quot;back&quot; is ''sānu'' (''snu'') – the two parts of the name Vishnu. The third of these enormous strides lands Vishnu in the highest heaven, in the bright realm of light, where even the winged birds do not dare to fly.&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 1. 155. 3, 5.&lt;/ref&gt; There in the highest stepping&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I choose as the second example of a translucent god, the shepherd god Pūshan. His chief claim to usefulness is that he knows the roadways; protects from their dangers, such as wolves and robbers; guards cattle, so that they be not dashed to pieces in the ravine; brings them home unhurt when they have gone astray; and, in general, restores lost things. Pūshan personally drives the cows to pasture; he weaves the sheeps' dresses, and smoothes their coats; he carries a goad, and his car is drawn by goats. And seeing that he lives on mush or gruel, whereas the other gods revel in ''soma'' or ghee, his bucolic nature is pretty clear. His name means &quot;Prospero,&quot; which may, of course, be the epithet of any benevolent god, and therefore veils rather than tells his particular character.

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This god has remained opaque to the eye of Vedic study. He is not wanting in superlative cosmic qualities. In fact the poets never, unless except perhaps in the case of Varuna, come nearer biting off more than they can chew, than when engaged in lauding Indra. He has no counterpart among those born or to be born. No one, celestial or terrestrial, has been born, or shall be born, like unto him. All the gods yield to him in might and strength.&lt;ref&gt;Rig-Veda 4. 18. 4; 7. 32. 2; 8. 51. 7.&lt;/ref&gt; He supports earth and sky, or spreads out the earth.&lt;ref&gt;''Ibid.,'' 2. 15. 2.&lt;/ref&gt; More particularly, he is the Hindu Hercules and demiurge, the doer of great deeds for the people.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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There is scarcely any idea which has suffered so much from the utilitarian aspects of Vedic religion as the Vedic idea of faith. To begin with, the word itself is of interest; it is ''çraddhā,'' the sound for sound equivalent of Latin and our own ''credo.'' The etymological meaning of this word is absolutely&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Even this mean and selfish construction of Faith, on one famous occasion at least turns forth a better side. A zealous young Brahman, Naciketas by name, observes that baksheesh is by way of being freely given. In fact his father Vājaçravasa has performed a desperately pious sacrifice, the &quot;All-his-property-sacrifice&quot; – luscious morsel for the Brahmans. He has given away in sacrifice and attendant fees all that he possesses. Then Faith enters into the boy Naciketas. He wishes, so to say, &quot;to get into the band-wagon.&quot; He startles his father by asking: &quot;To whom wilt thou give me?&quot; The father replies: &quot;To death&quot; – we can imagine the formula that would come from the lips of a modern fond father, if his son were to ask him a question so very awkward. Naciketas takes him literally and goes down to Yama, the God of Death. He manages, however, to get the better of Yama, not only enjoying his hospitality, but also extracting from him certain&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Now I shall not claim that this important concept was unmixedly mean and unspiritual. Indeed we have seen that it is not wholly so. This much, however, is clear that the anxious mind of the ritual is almost entirely fastened upon Faith as the promoter of the sacrifice and its attendant gifts to the Brahmans. In the end ''açraddha,'' &quot;devoid of faith,&quot; is the typical epithet of the demons of avarice, the Panis, who withhold the cows from the gods and the Brahmans. One or two writers have the hardihood to put up a chain of four links: Faith, Consecration, Sacrifice, Baksheesh.&lt;ref&gt;Atharva-Veda 15. 16. 4. ''ff.''; Gopatha Brāhmana 1. 1. 39.&lt;/ref&gt; Since consecration (''dīkshā'') in this connection means really nothing but ancient hocus-pocus preliminary to the sacrifice, where, we may ask, is there a franker avowal of shady motives that ordinarily present themselves elsewhere with a thick coat of whitewash?

But what is there in it for the sacrificer, we may ask? It is all very well for him to silence those raucous voices of demand, and keep giving – for a while. He must in the long run get something in return, or he will balk. Our texts, explicit if nothing else, leave no doubt in our minds as to the way in which&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Now I shall not claim that this important concept was unmixedly mean and unspiritual. Indeed we have seen that it is not wholly so. This much, however, is clear that the anxious mind of the ritual is almost entirely fastened upon Faith as the promoter of the sacrifice and its attendant gifts to the Brahmans. In the end ''açraddha,'' &quot;devoid of faith,&quot; is the typical epithet of the demons of avarice, the Panis, who withhold the cows from the gods and the Brahmans. One or two writers have the hardihood to put up a chain of four links: Faith, Consecration, Sacrifice, Baksheesh.&lt;ref&gt;Atharva-Veda 15. 16. 4. ''ff.''; Gopatha Brāhmana 1. 1. 39.&lt;/ref&gt; Since consecration (''dīkshā'') in this connection means really nothing but ancient hocus-pocus preliminary to the sacrifice, where, we may ask, is there a franker avowal of shady motives that ordinarily present themselves elsewhere with a thick coat of whitewash?

But what is there in it for the sacrificer, we may ask? It is all very well for him to silence those raucous voices of demand, and keep giving – for a while. He must in the long run get something in return, or he will balk. Our texts, explicit if nothing else, leave no doubt in our minds as to the way in which&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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However, even these saccharine promises about the accumulated credit given in heaven for sacrifice and baksheesh seem not to have been regarded by the poet priests as a sufficient guarantee that they might securely count upon that faith which meant works useful to them. They employ another device. Being skilled verse-smiths, they begin to use their craft to forge chains of poetry which shall hold rich patrons willing captives. They compose the so-called ''dāna-stutis,'' &quot;gift-praises,&quot; or ''gāthā nāraçañsyaḥ,'' &quot;stanzas singing the praise of men.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;''Cf.'' Ludwig, ''Der Rig-Veda,'' vol. iii., p. 274 ''ff.''; Bloomfield, ''The Atharva-Veda'' (''Indo-Aryan Encyclopædia''), p. 100.&lt;/ref&gt; In dithyrambic language exorbitant gifts on the part of generous givers of old, mythic kings and patrons, are narrated, so as to stimulate the potential patron of the present day. They sing these praises so stridently that the Vedic texts themselves, in their soberer moments, decry the &quot;gift-praises&quot; as lies and pollution. The poet of a &quot;stanza singing the praise of men&quot; and the brandy-drunkard are likened unto one another: they are polluted, their gifts must not be accepted. I question whether the religious literature of any other people contains anything that resembles either in character or extent the &quot;{{hws|gift|gift-praises}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;I


praises ” of the Veda ; the type is thoroughly Hindu
in its naiveté and its boundlessness.

To begin with, there is in the Rig-Veda a
doubtless late hymn consecrated to Dakshina, or
“linkshoesh.” It is only a poetaster who under-
takes, as he says, to unfold “ the broad road of
liaksheesh,” 2'. a to show how important it is to keep
giving. Then, with refreshing obviousness he claims:

“ Those that give amazes dwell on high in the
heavens; they that give horses dwell with the sun.
They that give gold partake of immortality; and they‘

that give garments, 0 Some, prolong their lives.”
(Rig~Veda IO. Io7. 2.)

There are forty or more “ gift-praises ” in the Rig-
Veda alone; they continue throughout the rest of
the Veda. I do not mean to dwell upon them
beyond a single example. We may remark, how-
ever, that some of this balesheesh must have proved
a veritable elephant on the hands of the receiver,
except for the fact that it was as a rule imaginary

baksheesh :

“ Listen, ye folks, to this : (a song) in praise of a hero
shall be sung ! Six thousand and ninety cows did we get
(when we were) with Kauruma among the Rugamas !

“ Kanruma presented the Seer with a hundred jewels,
ten Chaplets, three hundred steeds, and ten thousand

cattle.”
(Atharva-Veda 20.. 127. I, 3.)
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To begin with, there is in the Rig-Veda a doubtless late hymn consecrated to ''Dakshinā,'' or &quot;Baksheesh.&quot; It is only a poetaster who undertakes, as he says, to unfold &quot;the broad road of Baksheesh,&quot; ''i.e.'' to show how important it is to keep giving. Then, with refreshing obviousness he claims:


&quot;Those that give ''dakshinā'' dwell on high in the heavens; they that give horses dwell with the sun. They that give gold partake of immortality; and they that give garments, O Soma, prolong their lives.&quot;

(Rig-Veda 10. 107. 2.)


There are forty or more &quot;gift-praises&quot; in the Rig-Veda alone; they continue throughout the rest of the Veda. I do not mean to dwell upon them beyond a single example. We may remark, however, that some of this baksheesh must have proved a veritable elephant on the hands of the receiver, except for the fact that it was as a rule imaginary baksheesh:


&quot;Listen, ye folks, to this: (a song) in praise of a hero shall be sung! Six thousand and ninety cows did we get (when we were) with Kauruma among the Ruçamas!

&quot;Kauruma presented the Seer with a hundred jewels, ten chaplets, three hundred steeds, and ten thousand cattle.&quot;

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To begin with, there is in the Rig-Veda a doubtless late hymn consecrated to Dakshinā, or &quot;Baksheesh.&quot; It is only a poetaster who undertakes, as he says, to unfold &quot;the broad road of Baksheesh,&quot; ''i.e.'' to show how important it is to keep giving. Then, with refreshing obviousness he claims:


&quot;Those that give ''dakshinā'' dwell on high in the heavens; they that give horses dwell with the sun. They that give gold partake of immortality; and they that give garments, O Soma, prolong their lives.&quot;

(Rig-Veda 10. 107. 2.)


There are forty or more &quot;gift-praises&quot; in the Rig-Veda alone; they continue throughout the rest of the Veda. I do not mean to dwell upon them beyond a single example. We may remark, however, that some of this baksheesh must have proved a veritable elephant on the hands of the receiver, except for the fact that it was as a rule imaginary baksheesh:


&quot;Listen, ye folks, to this: (a song) in praise of a hero shall be sung! Six thousand and ninety cows did we get (when we were) with Kauruma among the Ruçamas!

&quot;Kauruma presented the Seer with a hundred jewels, ten chaplets, three hundred steeds, and ten thousand cattle.&quot;

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If my hearers shall ask now what, after all this, is the essence of Rig-Vedic religion, I am for my part not unready to answer in accordance with hints thrown out before. It is poetry, or rather, more precisely, poetic exaltation, or the pride and joy of poetic creativeness. This is at first conceived to be favored and promoted by the gods, because they get the fruit of it in the form of praise and flattery. The finer the frenzy of the poet and the more finished the product of his art, the better pleased are the gods. Therefore the gods, next, co-operate with the poets, promoting their devotion and its expression. Finally, these twin factors of devoted fervor and its successful utterance in hymns and stanzas create sensations of satisfaction which are easily taken for sanctification. At first the article is not very genuine. But it goes on being the receptacle of better thoughts until it grows into what we may consider real religious feeling.

To some extent we can test this statement by showing what the religious feeling of the Veda is not, rather than what it is. The frank system of barter of the sacrificer's ''soma'' and ghee for the god's&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The contemplation of the glory of the gods as a matter of intellectual wonder is expressed times without end. It does not seem to me to have quite the true ring. It is perfunctory; it is told by rote. God after god steps into line and gets it. They each in turn establish the heavens and the earth; they start the sun on his course, almost indifferently well. Perhaps, as I have hinted before, their rotation in the ritual, rather than forgetfulness of the virtues of the preceding god, is the truth at the bottom of this kathenotheism or henotheism, as Max Müller called it. It is polytheism grown cold in service, and unnice in its distinctions, leading to an opportunist monotheism in which every god takes hold of the sceptre and none keeps it. Anyhow it is very mechanical. No one who reads in the hymns the endless accounts of the wonderful performances of the gods will deny that the poets at times grow truly&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Most conspicuously there is no sentimental relation of any great depth between gods and men, and therefore no piety in the higher sense of the word. I mean piety that is not mere emotional self-excitement, but reasonable and settled reverence of tried and true gods. As a matter of fact the gods are good, and, at least in a general way, they are just also. In India, as we have seen, the gods have in charge especially the order of the world, and that is at the proper time, to the advantage of the suppliant mortal. Conversely, and especially, god Varuna stands ready to punish the wrong-doer. The poets sometimes describe Varuna's power, and the sense of their own unworthiness or sinfulness in language that reminds us of the Psalmist. Varuna, however, is no longer pre-eminent even in the Rig-Veda: he has left no really lasting impression on India's religions. If Varuna had prevailed India would have become monotheistic and theocratic, which it never did.

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But these master-singers do believe in their own art; in their wonderful poetry, and in the exaltation of mind which goes with its composition. The gods accept both the poetry and the devout mind at the value put upon them by the poets; the poets are serenely certain that the gods are well satisfied.&lt;ref&gt;&quot;Like (a cow) her calf so do the poets lick (the gods) with their prayers,&quot; says Rig-Veda 10. 123. 1.&lt;/ref&gt; This&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I have used the word &quot;master-singers.&quot; We may take this word quite stringently and seriously. The hymns often allude to the songs of old that were com-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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If we consider that the theme is the worship of unclarified polytheistic gods, but little advanced beyond the point where they originated somewhere in nature, or in a tolerably primitive consciousness, we may say, taking the fat with the lean, that the pride of these poets in their work is justified. Of course we must not apply the chaster standards of a later time, nor can we expect perfectly even results. Anyhow, in the poet's own eyes the Rig-Vedic hymn is a thing of blameless, finished beauty. He has fashioned it as a skilled artisan a war chariot. He has filed it until it is free from all blemish, &quot;as grain is winnowed in the winnowing-basket,&quot; &quot;as ghee is clarified for the sacrifice.&quot; The heart of the poets is in their work, they are unquestionably giving the best they have. The poems are their inspirations. In so far as they rise above their all too human interests, in so far as they are something higher than blarneying beggars, they lift themselves up through their own art rather than the intrinsic qualities of the gods upon whom they spend their efforts.

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&quot;Prayer born of yore in heaven,
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For the history of the human mind this last outcome, present in the ancient literature of this gifted people, is of unusual importance. The rather mystic idea of the divinity of Devotion and its expression, the notion that the sacred inspired thought and word can itself be god, will concern us more later on. From the point of view of religious feeling it is the last and best word of the Hindus as to the nature of the divine. There comes to mind the first verse of the Gospel of John: &quot;In the beginning was&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Beginnings of Hindu Theosophy.

Statement of the problem – Time when theosophy originated – Metempsychosis and pessimism unknown in the earlier Vedic records – Place where the higher religion originated – Priest philosophy at the sacrifice – The theosophic charade – Specimens of the theosophic charade – The riddle hymn of Dirghatamas – Interrelation between the sacrifice and theosophy – On the supposed origin of theosophy with the royal caste – Criticism of this view – Transition from ritualistic polytheism to theosophy – Early scepticism – &quot;Götterdämmerung&quot; – Failure of God Varuna – Monism, or the idea of unity – The creation hymn – Translation and analysis of the creation hymn – Attempts at Monotheism – Prajāpati, the Lord of Creatures – Viçvakarman, creator of the universe, and kindred conceptions – Purusha, the world man – Brihaspati, the Lord of Devotion – Transcendental monotheistic conceptions: &quot;Time,&quot; &quot;Love,&quot; etc. – Defects of the earlier monotheistic and monistic attempts.


THE appreciation of the higher forms of Hinduism has gotten to be one of the foremost intellectual arts of our time, because the final results of Hindu thought count really among the most noteworthy achievements of the human mind. In&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|208}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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As regards the time when higher religious motives appear, I would remind my hearers of the indefinite and relative character of Vedic chronology. The older Upanishads, the Vedic texts which profess higher religion or theosophy, are written in about the same language and style as the so-called Brāhmana texts. These latter, as you may remember,&lt;ref&gt;See above, p. 43.&lt;/ref&gt; are prose works which, quite like the Hebrew Talmud, define the sacrifice with minute prescript and illustrative legend. And the older Upanishads are part of the Brāhmanas; the majority of the older Upanishads, through the medium of the Āranyakas, join their theosophic speculations right on to the dead ritual. To some extent the bones of the ritual skeleton rattle about in early theosophy in quite a lively fashion. The Upanishads and theosophy are part of the Veda; neither Hindu believer nor western critic has ever doubted that. Now the thought of the Upanishads has its forerunners in all parts of Vedic literature clear back to the Rig-Veda; in the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Parts of this observation of Professor Garbe are correct, nay even familiar. But not every part, it seems to me. Having in mind Yājnavalkya and Uddālaka Āruni of the Upanishads, or Çankara and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Mental revolutions rarely come all at once, least of all in India. The evidence of India's remarkably continuous records shows that every important Hindu thought has its beginning, middle, and final development. As regards theosophy, its beginnings are found in the Vedic hymns; its middle in the Upanishads; and its final development in the &quot;Systems&quot; of Philosophy, like the Vedānta and Sānkhya of later times. I am afraid that Professor Garbe has somehow gotten into the state of mind that there is only one kind of good Brahman, namely, a dead Brahman, to paraphrase a saying about that other Indian, the American Indian. Selfishness, foolishness, bigotry, and cruelty galore – the marks of these ''some'' Brahmans have left in their compositions, foolishly as behooves knaves. But there were, and there are, Brahmans and Brahmans. The older Upanishads, written in approximately the same language and style as the so-called prose Brāhmana (Talmudic) texts, figuring largely as parts of these compositions, were composed by Brahmans who had risen to the conviction that not &quot;the way of works&quot; lies the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The scholars mentioned have been attracted to their position by the interesting fact that the Upanishads narrate several times that the ultimate philosophy was in the keeping of men of royal caste, and that these warriors imparted their knowledge to Brahmans. This is put in such a way that the Brahman, after having aired his own stock of theosophy &quot;lays down&quot; before the king's superior insight. The king is then represented as graciously bestowing his saving knowledge upon the Brahman. Once or twice, however, the king turns braggart, and mars his generosity by claiming that the warrior caste are the real thing, and that they alone in all the world are able to illumine these profound and obscure matters. Thus the extreme example of this kind is narrated in two Upanishads.&lt;ref&gt;Brihad Āranyaka Upanishad 6. 2; Chāndogya Upanishad 5. 3.&lt;/ref&gt; The Brahman Çvetaketu Āruni, ignorant of the doctrine of transmigration, is com-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I doubt whether this statement, and others of a similar nature, justify us in regarding the warrior caste as the spiritual saviors of India. As regards King Pravāhana Jaivali's statement, it is specious on the face of it. For what have royalty and transmigration to do with one another? In its essence the doctrine of transmigration has no more regard for royalty than for the lowest caste, because its purpose is release from any form of individual existence (see the sixth lecture). Then again, the very texts that narrate these exploits of the Kshatriyas are unquestionably Brahmanic. Would the arrogance and selfishness of the Brahmans have allowed them to preserve and propagate facts calculated to injure permanently their own standing? Surely not.

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Brihaspati at first is placed as an ally by the side of the more regal gods, like Indra, Agni, and Soma, in their fights against demons and stingy unbelievers. The Vedic gods derive strength from prayer and sacrifice, just as do Hindu men – this is a familiar conception from the beginning. The thought which underlies Brihaspati has in store for itself a greater future and a more permanent result in the still more abstract Brahma, which is religious devotion in the absolute. Of this in the last lecture. For the present Brihaspati rises from his modest position as aider and abettor of the war-gods to become father of the gods, upholder of the ends of the earth. Sun and moon's alternate rise is his work. Like a blacksmith Brihaspati soldered together this world. That happened before the races of the gods came into being; perhaps at the time when &quot;being&quot; was born of &quot;non-being.&quot;

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And now the passage of these souls from one kind of receptacle to another, from man to man, from man to animal, plant, or stock, or stone, follows inevitably. The records of primitive beliefs are full of it. I will merely remind you of the belief in werwolves as one instance of this kind. In the final outcome of all these notions some peoples, eager to account for the destiny of man after death, have assumed a chain of variegated existences. And with this goes very generally some notion of evolution forward or backward. The character of the creature in a certain given existence controls the degree of the next existence. This last bit of logic has flowered out in India as the important doctrine of ''karma'' or &quot;deed.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;See below p. 259.&lt;/ref&gt;

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CODIFICATION OF INTERNAL REVENUE LAWS 
DBTAIL OF OFFICERS O EMPLOYEES FOR FOREIGN SERVICE OF DEPARTMENT OF STATE 
The President, in his discretion, may assign officers of the Army and Navy or 
officers or employees of the Treasury Department for duty as inspectors of 
buildings owned or occupied by the United States in foreign countries, or as 
inspectors or supervisors of buildings under construction or repair by or for the 
United States in foreign countries, under the jurisdiction of the Department of 
State, or for duty as couriers of the Department of State, and when so assigned 
they may receive the same traveling expenses as are authorized for officers of 
the Foreign Service, payable from the applicable appropriations of the Depart- 
ment of State. (May 15, 1936, c. 405, § 1, 49 Stat. 1321; June 16, 1937, c. 359, 
Title I, § 1, 50 Stat. 273; April 27, 1938, c. 180, Title I, § 1, 52 Stat. 258.) 
(U. 5. 0., Title 5, § 274.) 
FBAUDS UPON THE BEVENUE 
The General Counsel for the Department of the Treasury, under direction of 
the Secretary of the Treasury, shall take cognizance of all frauds or attempted 
frauds upon the revenue, and shall exercise a general supervision over the 
measures for their prevention and detection, and for the prosecution of persons 
charged with the commission thereof. (R. S . § 376; May 10, 1934, 11.40 A. M. , 
c. 277, § 512, 48 Stat. 758.) (U. S . C., Title 5, § 326.) 
BEPORT OF MONEYS BRCOVER)E TO BE MADE BY GENEBRA COUNSEL FOB THE DEPARTMENT 
OF THE TRK.ASBY 
The General Counsel for the Department of the Treasury shall report all 
moneys recovered or collected under his direction to the officer from whom the 
bond or other evidence of debt was received, who shall give proper credit there- 
for; and he shall report in like manner all credits allowed by due course of law 
on any suits under his direction. (R. S . § 378; May 10, 1934, 11.40 A. M., c. 277, 
§ 512, 48 Stat. 758.) (U. S. C ., Title 5, § 328.) 
TRAVELING EXPENSES OF CIVILIAN OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES 
WHILE ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS 
SUBSISTENCE EXPENSE ACT OF 1926 
(June 3, 1926, c. 457, 44 Stat. 688, amended June 30, 1932, c. 314, § 207, 47 Stat. 
405) 
SETION 1. That this act may be cited as the &quot;Subsistence Expense Act of 
1926.&quot; 
(U. S. C., Title 5, § 821.) 
SEa 2. When used in this Act- 
The term &quot;departments and establishments&quot; means any executive department, 
independent commission, board, bureau, office, agency, or other establishment 
of the Government, including the municipal government of the District of 
Columbia. 
The term &quot;subsistence&quot; means lodging, meals, and other necessary expenses 
incidental to the personal sustenance or comfort of the traveler. 
The term &quot;actual expenses&quot; means the actual amounts necessarily expended 
by the traveler for subsistence and itemized in accounts for reimbursement. 
The term &quot;per diem allowance&quot; means a daily flat rate of payment in lieu 
of actual expenses. (U. S . C., Title 5, § 822.) 
SEC. 3 . Civilian officers and employees of the departments and establishments, 
while traveling on official business and away from their designated posts of 
duty, shall be allowed, in lieu of their actual expenses for subsistence and all 
fees or tips to porters and stewards, a per diem allowance to be prescribed by 
the head of the department or establishment concerned, not to exceed the rate 
of $5 within the limits of continental United States and not to exceed an 
average of $6 beyond the limits of continental United States. ( U. S. C ., Title 5, 
i 823.) 
SEC. 7 . The fixing and payment, under section 3, of per diem allowance, or 
portions thereof, shall be in accordance with regulations which shall be pro- 
mulgated by the heads of departments and establishments and which shall be 
standardized as far as practicable and shall not be effective until approved by 
the President of the United States. (U. S . C., Title 5, § 827.) 
SEa. &amp; The heads of departments and establishments, under regulations 
which shall be prescribed by the Secretary of the Treasury for the protection 
of the United States, may advance through the proper disbursing officers from 
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76TH CONG. , 3D SESS.--CH. 722-SEPT. 18 , 1940 
TTLE III-MISCELLANEOUS 
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Sec. 306. 
PART I-INVESTIGATION OF VAIOUBS MODES OF TRANSPORTATION 
PABT II-ATES ON GOV]UNMENT TRAFFIC 
Sec. 321. Government to pay full rates. 
Sec. 322 . Deduction of overpayments. 
PART In--AMENDMENTS TO RECONSTRUCTION FINANCE CORPORATION ACT 
Sec. 331. 
TITLE I-AMENDMENTS TO EXISTING LAW 
SHORT TITLE FOR ACT TO REGULATE COMMERCE; DECLARATION OF NATIONAL 
TRANSPORTATION POLICY 
SECTION 1. The Act entitled &quot;An Act to regulate commerce&quot;, 
approved February 4, 1887, as amended (U. S. C., 1934 edition, title 
49, sees. 1-27; Supp. IV, title 49, sees. 3, 6, 11, 15, 18, 21, 22, 25, 26, 
301-327), is amended by inserting before part I the following: 
&quot;SHORT TITLE 
&quot;This Act may be cited as the Interstate Commerce Act. 
&quot;NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION POLICY 
&quot;It is hereby declared to be the national transportation policy of the 
Congress to provide for fair and impartial regulation of all modes of 
transportation subject to the provisions of this Act, so administered 
as to recognize and preserve the inherent advantages of each; to pro- 
mote safe, adequate, economical, and efficient service and foster sound 
economic conditions in transportation and among the several carriers; 
to encourage the establishment and maintenance of reasonable charges 
for transportation services, without unjust discriminations, undue 
preferences or advantages, or unfair or destructive competitive prac- 
tices; to cooperate with the several States and the duly authorized 
officials thereof; and to encourage fair wages and equitable working 
conditions;-all to the end of developing, coordinating, and preserving 
a national transportation system by water, highway, and rail, as well 
as other means, adequate to meet the needs of the commerce of the 
United States, of the Postal Service, and of the national defense. All 
of the provisions of this Act shall be administered and enforced with 
a view to carrying out the above declaration of policy.&quot; 
AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 1 (3), (4), AND (5) 
SEC. 2 . (a) Paragraph (3) of section 1 of the Interstate Commerce 
Act, as amended, is amended by inserting after &quot;(3)&quot; the letter &quot;(a)&quot; 
and by adding at the end thereof a new sentence as follows: &quot;The 
term 'person' as used in this part includes an individual firm, copart- 
nership, corporation, company, association, or joint-stock association; 
and includes a trustee, receiver, assignee, or personal representative 
thereof.&quot; 
(b) Such paragraph (3) is amended by adding at the end thereof a 
new subparagraph (b) as follows: 
&quot;(b) For the purposes of sections 5, 12 (1), 20, 204 (a) (7), 210, 
220,304 (b), 310, and 313 of this Act, where reference is made to control 
(in referring to a relationship between any person or persons and 
24 Stat. 379. 
Interstate Com- 
merce Act. 
National transpor- 
tation policy. 
Part I of the Inter- 
state Commerce Act. 
Post, p. 919. 
&quot;Person&quot; defined. 
41 Stat. 474. 
49U. S.C.§ 1(3). 
&quot;Control&quot; con- 
strued. 
Post, pp. 905191 916, 
92, 923, 926, 933, 943, 
944. 
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circonstances. D'une fagon gen6rale, elle doit tenir compte de ce qui 
suit: 
1° Si les stations radiogoniom6triques ne veillent pas sur la meme 
onde, que ce soit l'onde pour 'operation du relevement ou une autre 
onde, les relevements doivent etre demandes separement a chaque 
station ou groupe de stations utilisant une onde donnee. 
20 Si toutes les stations radiogoniometriques int6ressees veillent 
sur une meme onde, et si elles sont en mesure de prendre des releve- 
ments sur une onde commune - qui peut etre une autre onde que 
l'onde de veille - il y a lieu de les appeler ensemble, afin que les 
relevements soient pris par toutes ces stations a la fois, sur une seule 
et meme emission. 
30 Si plusieurs stations radiogoniometriques sont group6es a l'aide 
de fils speciaux, une seule d'entre elles doit etre appelee, meme si 
toutes sont munies d'appareils emetteurs. Dans ce cas, la station 
mobile doit cependant, s'il est necessaire, mentionner dans l'appel, 
au moyen des indicatifs d'appel, les stations radiogoniom6triques dont 
elle desire obtenir des relevements. 
C. Les indications relatives: a) au signal A employer pour obtenir 
le relevement; b) a la duree des emissions A faire par la station mobile 
et c) a l'heure utilisee par la station radiogoniom6trique consideree, 
sont donn6es dans la nomenclature. 
II. Rggles de procedure. 
A. POUR OBTENIR UN RELhVEMENT. 
(1) La station mobile appelle la station radiogoniometrique sur 
l'onde indiquee dans la nomenclature comme etant son onde de 
veille. La station appelante transmet l'abr6viation QTE? (suivie, 
si la station radiogoniometrique est une station mobile, par l'abr6- 
viation QTH?) et indique, si n6cessaire, 1'onde qu'elle va employer 
pour faire prendre son relevement. Ensuite, la station appelante 
attend des instructions. 
(2) La station radiogoniom6trique appelee invite la station ap- 
pelante A transmettre. 
(3) Apres avoir, si ncessaire, prdpare sa nouvelle onde de trans- 
mission, la station appelante repond en transmettant son indicatif 
d'appel combine eventuellement avec un autre signal, pendant un 
temps suffisamment prolonge pour permettre le relevement. 
(4) La station radiogoniometrique determine la direction et, si 
possible, le sens du relevement, et transmet l'information a la station 
appelante dans 1'ordre suivant: 
a) abreviation QTE; 
b) relevement vrai en degr6s par rapport a la station radiogo- 
niometrique; 
c) heure d'observation; 
d) si la station radiogoniometrique est mobile, sa propre posi- 
tion en latitude et longitude, precedee par l'abreviation 
QTH. 
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elle demande a la station appelante de rep6ter l'emission indiquee 
sous (3). 
(5) Des que la station appelante a regu le resultat de l'observation, 
elle r6epte le message a la station radiogoniometrique, celle-ci con- 
firme ensuite que la repetition est exacte ou, le cas echeant, la rectifie 
en r6eptant le message A nouveau. Quand la station radiogonio- 
metrique a la certitude que la station mobile a correctement regu le 
message, elle transmet le signal &quot;fin de travail&quot;. 
Ce signal est alors 
repet6 par la station appelante pour indiquer que l'op6ration est 
termin6e. 
B. POUR OBTENIR UNE POSITION DE DEUX OU PLUSIEURS STATIONS 
RADIOGONIOMTTRIQUES ORGANISBES EN GROUPE. 
Si la station appelante desire etre informee de sa position par 
la station de contr6le d'un groupe de stations radiogoniom6triques, 
elle appelle la station de contr6le comme ci-dessus et demande une 
position en utilisant l'abreviation QTF? 1). 
La station de controle repond A l'appel et, quand les stations 
radiogoniometriques sont pretes, invite la station appelante A trans- 
mettre; ayant determine la position, elle la transmet a la station 
appelante comme ci-dessus, en utilisant l'abreviation QTF. 
C. POUR OBTENIR DES RELEVEMENTS SIMULTAN]S DE DEUX STATIONS 
RADIOGONIOMETRIQUES, OU PLUS, ORGANISES EN GROUPE. 
Sur une demande de relevements, la station de controle d'un 
groupe de stations radiogoniometriques procede comme en B ci-dessus, 
et ensuite transmet les relevements observes par chaque station 
du groupe, chaque relvement etant precede de l'indicatif d'appel de 
la station qui l'a pris. 
APPENDICE 16. 
Reglement interieur du Comite consultatif international 
des radiocommunications. (C.C.I.R .) 
(Voir 1'article 33 du Reglement). 
ARTICLE PREMIER. 
Administration organisatrice. Definition et r6le. 
On entend par &quot;administration organisatrice&quot;, l'administration qui 
est chargee d'organiser une reunion du C.C.I.R. Son role expire 
cinq mois apres la cl6ture de la reunion qu'elle a organisee. 
') Les stations c6tieres, en regle g6n6rale, ne donnent pas de positions. 
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1063 
TABLAIV D 
Clase III B b Debe proteger a otras clase como 
se indica en el cuadro siguiente: 
Vease la nota * en la pagina 7 [ante, pag. 1062]. 
TABLA IV E 
Clase IV Debe proteger a otras clase como se 
indica en el cuadro siguiente: 
Clase III-A 
Clase III-B 
Clase IV 
Clase IV 
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1kw 
5kw 
. 
kw 
10 kw 
.1 
kw 
300 
300 
Lo determina la separa- 
Lo determina la separa- 
.25 
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395 
407 
ci6n diurna 
ci6n diurna 
TABLAIV F 
DISTANCIA A QUE DEBEN ESTAR LAS ESTACIONES CLASE I-A Y I-B PARA OB- 
TENER LA PROTECCI6N RECOMENDADA PARA LAS ESTACIONES CLASE II. 
(CONTORNO DE LA ONDA TERRESTRE DE 2.5 MV/M) 
Estaciones Clase I-A y I-B 
Clase II (*) 
10 kw 
25 kw 
50 kw 
500 kw 
.25 
kw 
1248 
1462 
1520 
2767 
.5 
kw 
1252 
1470 
1523 
2771 
1. kw 
1256 
1473 
1528 
2775 
5. kw 
1270 
1484 
1541 
2789 
10. kw 
1275 
1490 
1546 
2793 
25. kw 
1285 
1498 
1743 
2803 
50. kw 
1293 
1510 
1750 
2812 
Nota (-) Debe usar antena direcctonal para proteger a Ia estacl6n o estacionos dominantes con estas 
separaciones. 
TABLA IV G 
DISTANCIA A QUE DEBEN ESTAR LAS ESTACIONES CLASE IV DE LAS ESTACIONES 
CLASE III-A 
Y III-B 
PARA OBTENER LA PROTECCI6N RECOMENDADA A UNA 
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TABLEAU IV F 
[55 STAT. 
INTERVALLE QUB DOIVENT OBSERVER LES STATIONS CLASSE I-A ET I -B POUR 
OBTENIR LA PROTECTION RECOMMANDEE POUR LES STATIONS DE LA CLASSE II. 
(PBRIMETRE DE L'ONDE DE SURFACE DE 2 .5 MV/M) 
Stations des Classes I-A et I-B . 
Classe II () 
10 kw 
25 kw 
50 kw 
00 kw 
.25 kw 
1248 
1462 
1520 
2767 
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1252 
1470 
1523 
2771 
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1256 
1473 
1528 
2775 
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1270 
1484 
1541 
2789 
10. kw 
1275 
1490 
1546 
2793 
25. kw 
1285 
1498 
1743 
2803 
50. kw 
1293 
1510 
1750 
2812 
Note (-) On doit employer une antenne dirig6e pour la protection de la station ou des stations dominantes 
avee ces intervalles. 
TABLEAU IV G 
INTERVALLE QUE DOIVENT OBSERVER LES STATIONS CLASSE III-A ET III -B 
POUR OBTENIR LA PROTECTION RECOMMANDbE POUR UNE STATION DE LA 
CLASSE IV (PERIMEITRE DE L'ONDE DE SURFACE DE 4 .0 MV/M .) 
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78TH CONG. , 1ST SESS.-CH. 380-DEC. 23, 1943 
THE JUDICIARY 
MISCELrLANEOUS ITEMS OF EXPENSE 
For an additional amount for fees of commissioners, fiscal year 
1943, including the objects specified under this head in the Judiciary 
Establishment Appropriation Act, 1943, $67,600. 
EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT 
BUREAU OF TEE BUDGET 
For an additional amount for salaries and expenses, Bureau of the 
Budget, fiscal year 1944, including the objects specified under this 
head in the Independent Offices Appropriation Act, 1944, and includ- 
ing $20,000 additional for the temporary employment of persons or 
organizations by contract or otherwise without regard to section 3709 
of the Revised Statutes, or the Classification Act of 1923, as amended 
$75,000, of which $20,000 shall be allocated to the Federal Board of 
Hospitalization. 
613 
56 Stat. 503. 
Ante, p. 170. 
41U.S. 
. 
5. 
42 Stat. 1488. 
5U.S. 
.§ 
1; 
Supp. II, , 661 
»eq. 
Federal Board of 
Hospitalization. 
OFmICE FOR EMEaGEtNcY MANAGEOMENT 
OFFICE OF DEFENSE TRANSPORTATION 
The appropriation, salaries and expenses, Office of Defense Trans- 
portation, contained in the National War Agencies Appropriation 
Act, 1944, shall be available, in addition to the objects specified for 
said appropriation in said Act, for the payment, at rates not in 
excess of those fixed by law for witnesses attending in United States 
courts (28 U. S. C . 600c), of fees, mileage, and subsistence of wit- 
nesses appearing at hearings held by the Office of Defense Transporta- 
tion in connection with the performance of its functions: Provided, 
That the payment of subsistence shall be subject to certification by the 
Director of the Office of Defense Transportation or his designee, as 
to the necessity therefor. 
OFFICE OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT 
The appropriation for the Office of Scientific Research and Devel- 
opment contained in the National War Agencies Appropriation Act 
1944, shall in addition to the objects specified under this head and 
the head &quot;General provisions&quot; in said Act, be available for payment, 
when specifically authorized or approved by the Director of the Office 
of Scientific Research and Development or such other official as he 
may designate for the purpose, of travel expenses, including trans- 
portation of personal effects, of personnel to their first posts of duty 
outside the continental limits of the United States, and return to the 
United States; and not to exceed $2,500 for entertainment of officials 
of other countries. 
OFFICE OF WAR INFORMATION 
For an additional amount for salaries and expenses, Office of War 
Information, fiscal year 1944, including the objects specified under 
this head and under &quot;General provisions pertaining to the Office for 
Emergency Management in the National War Agencies Appropria- 
tion Act, 1944, $5,000,000: Proiided, That this appropriation shall not 
be available for expenditure unless the Director of the Office of War 
Information, with the approval of- the President, shall determine 
that such funds are necessary for carrying on activitivies in junc- 
tion with actualor projected military peratios: 
Witneesea 
Ante, p. 629. 
44 Stat. 324. 
28 U. S. C., Supp. 
II, 1i60c. 
Travel expense*. 
AnU, pp. a80, 8. 
Activities in am- 
unction with military 
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 59 Part 2.djvu/1112</title>
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 60 Part 1.djvu/791</title>
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(b) PRoHIBrmmo.-It shall be unlawful for any person to manu- 
facture, produce, transfer, or acquire any equipment or device utilizing 
fissionable material or atomic energy as a military weapon, except as 
may be authorized by the Commission. Nothing in this subsection 
shall be deemed to modify the provisions of section 4 of this Act, or 
to prohibit research activities in respect of military weapons, or to 
permit the export of any such equipment or device. 
UTILIZATION OF ATOMIC ENERGY 
SEc. 7 . (a) LICENsE REQIusED.- It shall be unlawful, except as pro- 
vided in sections 5 (a) (4) (A) or (B) or 6 (a), for any person to 
manufacture, produce, or export any equipment or device utilizing 
fissionable material or atomic energy or to utilize fissionable material 
or atomic energy with or without such equipment or device, except 
under and in accordance with a license issued by the Commission 
authorizing such manufacture, production, export, or utilization. No 
license may permit any such activity if fissionable material is produced 
incident to such activity, except as provided in sections 3 and 4. 
uraoe 
Nothing in this section shall be deemed to require a license for the 
ment, et. 
conduct of research or development activities relating to the manufac- 
ture of such equipment or devices or the utilization of fissionable 
material or atomic energy, or for the manufacture or use of equipment 
or devices for medical therapy. 
(b) REPORT TO CONGORES.- Whenever in its opinion any industrial, 
commercial, or other nonmilitary use of fissionable material or atomic 
energy has been sufficiently developed to be of practical value, the 
Commission shall prepare a report to the President stating all the 
facts with respect to such use, the Commission's estimate of the social, 
political, economic, and international effects of such use and the Com- 
mission's recommendations for necessary or desirable supplemental 
legislation. The President shall then transmit this report to the 
R oietno is Congress together with his recommendations. No license for any 
manufacture, production, export, or use shall be issued by the Commis- 
sion under this section until after (1) a report with respect to such 
manufacture, production, export, or use has been filed with the Con- 
gress; and (2) a period of ninety days in which the Congress was in 
session has elapsed after the report has been so filed. In computing 
such period of ninety days, there shall be excluded the days on which 
either House is not in session because of an adjournment of more than 
three days. 
(c) ISSUANCE OF LICENsEs. -A fter such ninety-day period, unless 
hereafter prohibited by law, the Commission may license such manu- 
facture, production, export, or use in accordance with such procedures 
and sub ject to such conditions as it may by regulation establish to 
tpp]i nm. 
~ at- effectuate the provisions of this Act. The Commission is authorized 
and directed to issue licenses on a nonexclusive basis and to supply 
to the extent available appropriate quantities of fissionable material 
to licensees (1) whose proposed activities will serve some useful pur- 
pose proportionate to the quantities of fissionable material to be con- 
sumed; (2) who are equipped to observe such safety standards to 
protect health and to minimize danger from explosion or other hazard 
to life or property as the Commission may establish; and (3) who 
agree to make available to the Commission such technical information 
and data concerning their activities pursuant to such licenses as the 
Commission may determine necessary to encourage similar activities 
enewal, etc. 
by as many licensees as possible. 
ach such license shall be issued 
or a specified period, shall be revocable at any time by the Commission 
in accordance with such procedures as the Commission may establish, 
and may be renewed upon the expiration ,of such period. Where 
764 
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    <title>Page:United States Statutes at Large Volume 61 Part 3.djvu/399</title>
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[The above signatures are: John G. Winant; F T Gusev; Ronald I. Campbell; 
R Massigli] 
INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS OTHER THAN TREATIES [61 STAT. 
3.- 
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INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS OTHER THAN TREATIES [61 STAT. 
LSSTl III - BRISIL 
PRWIERE P..RTIB (suite) 
Position du 
Tarif 
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1656 
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sur rerre, positives, aveo 
cadre en bols, m6tal oommun, 
earteo, 
matilres plaatiques at 
slmilalres .................. 
pioe 
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on balaioe, cautohouo, 
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ea naore, ivoire, doallUe, 
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CL.SS 31 
APPIJAILS, INSTRUMENTS BE OBTETS POUR 
OHIRUROI3NS, MEDECINS DIENTITEnS XT 
VTBRINAIRES. 
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et similaires: 
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INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS OTHER THAN TREATIES [61 STAT. 
LIJSB XIa - FRMC 
Proaniro FPrtio (suite) 
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Franoo 
D6eiLgatlon don produit. 
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- 
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p. otblols 
- 
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soI ou vibratour ............. 
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ni oonpri aillour tS 
- 
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polloo d6oanlquol, ozoawtours. ohargouwo. ..... 
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damoumoe, nlvolouson, planouooi ............... 
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mat6riol do forago ot do aondago ,............ 
- 
Ionnottoa do battago .......................... 
- 
autro Imohinol ot apparoll ............... 
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do pulv6rlration linplol, nor d6nom6s ni ooupril 
ailloarl, lowa0 pariel ot pi6ool dotaoh6o0 t 
- 
maohino. ot apparoill a Aaholro*, 
&amp; boulot oau&amp; 
rtoaux ........................... 
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d6taoh6o .......... 
.. ........ . 
... 
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- 
apparoill n6oaniquol ot hydrauliqnuo .......... 
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..................... 
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1669 B 
1570 A 
1670 B 
1570 C 
16570 D 
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80TH GONG. , 2D SESS.-CH. 645-JUNE 25, 1948 
795 
§ 2031. SPECIAL MARITIME AND TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION 
Whoever, within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction 
of the United States, commits rape shall suffer death, or imprisonment 
for any term of years or for life. 
§ 2032. CARNAL KNOWLEDGE OF FEMALE UNDER 16 
Whoever, within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of 
the United States, carnally knows any female, not his wife, who has not 
attained the age of sixteen years, shall, for a first offense, be imprisoned 
not more than fifteen years, and for a subsequent offense, be imprisoned 
not more than thirty years. 
CHAPTER 101. -B EC OR D S 
AND REPORTS 
Sec. 
2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally. 
2072. False crop reports. 
2073. False entries and reports of moneys or securities. 
2074. False weather reports. 
2075. Officer failing to make returns or reports. 
2076. Clerk of United States District Court. 
§ 2071. CONCEALMENT, REMOVAL, OR MUTILATION GENERALLY 
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, 
obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so 
takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, docu- 
ment, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any 
court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial 
or public officer of the United States, shall be fined not more than 
$2,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. 
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, 
map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully 
conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the 
same, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than 
three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from 
holding any office under the United States. 
§ 2072. FALSE CROP REPORTS 
Whoever, being an officer or employee of the United States or any 
of its agencies, whose duties require the compilation or report of statis- 
tics or information relating to the products of the soil, knowingly 
compiles for issuance, or issues, any false statistics or information as 
a report of the United States or any of its agencies, shall be fined not 
more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 
§ 2073. FALSE ENTRIES AND REPORTS OF MONEYS OR SECURITIES 
Whoever, being an officer, clerk, agent, or other employee of the 
United States or any of its agencies, charged with the duty of keeping 
accounts or records of any kind, with intent to deceive, mislead, injure, 
or defraud, makes in any such account or record any false or fictitious 
entry or record of any matter relating to or connected with his 
duties; or 
Whoever, being an officer, clerk, agent, or other employee of the 
United States or any of its agencies, charged with the duty of receiving, 
holding, or paying over moneys or securities to, for, or on behalf of the 
United States, or of receiving or holding in trust for any person any 
moneys or securities, with like intent, makes a false report of such 
moneys or securities- 
Shall be fined not more than $5,000 or imprisoned not more than 
ten years, or both. 
§ 2074. FALSE WEATHER REPORTS 
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62 STAT.] CHILE-AIR TRANSPORT SERVICES-MAY 10, 1947 
pender el servicio dentro de un plazo de treinta dias despues de haberse 
dado a la otra Parte la noticia de la intenci6n de suspender el servicio. 
4°. 
- 
Queda comprendido que el Gobierno de Chile interpreta los 
servicios locales y regionales a que se hace referencia en el parrafo 
E 3, anexo &quot;A&quot;, en el sentido de que aquellos servicios son los que unen 
dos o mas puntos entre paises vecinos y contiguos. 
El Gobierno de los Estados Unidos, aunque reconoce la posibilidad 
de que esta definici6n pueda llegar a ser correcta, no esta en situaci6n 
de manifestar desde ahora su conformidad. 
50. - 
Queda comprendido que el Gobierno de Chile, si lega a designar 
aeropuertos aduaneros de entrada y salida, tal como se contempla en 
el parrafo G del anexo &quot;A&quot;, hara la designaci6n de tales aeropuertos 
en forma de permitir que las rutas de los Estados Unidos descritas en 
el anexo &quot;B&quot;, y toda otra ruta de los Estados Unidos que mas tarde 
pueda ser aprobada por el Gobierno de Chile, puedan ser operadas 
sin desventaja alguna en cuanto a su operaci6n, no perjudicandose 
asi la lfnea aerea o las lineas aereas de los Estados Unidos designadas 
para volar en estas rutas. -Por ejemplo, tratandose de un servicio 
que entrara al territorio chileno en Arica y que prosigue a puntos en 
Bolivia y mas alli, el aeropuerto aduanero que Chile designaria para 
la entrada inicial seria Arica y este mismo aeropuerto seria designado 
como el aeropuerto aduanero de salida; asf, en un servicio que entrara 
en territorio chileno en Antofagasta y que prosigue a puntos en Argen- 
tina y mas alla, el aeropuerto aduanero tanto para la entrada como 
para la salida seria Antofagasta; en un servicio que entrara a Chile 
en Antofagasta y que prosigue a Santiago y de ese punto a puntos en 
Argentina y mas alli, el aeropuerto aduanero inicial de entrada serfa 
Antofagasta y el aeropuerto aduanero de salida seria Santiago. 
6°. 
- 
Con referencia al artfculo II queda comprendido por ambas 
Partes Contratantes que los itinerarios de operaci6n de una linea 
aerea designada o lineas aereas designadas seran regulares y apro- 
bados por las autoridades aeronauticas de ambas Partes Contratantes; 
sin embargo, las disposiciones del anexo &quot;A&quot; regirAn las frecuencias 
de los itinerarios operados. 
Aprovecho la oportunidad para reiterar a Vuestra Excelencia las 
seguridades de mi mas alta y distinguida consideraci6n. 
R. JULIET 
Al Excelentisimo Sefior CLAUDE G. BOWERS, 
EmbajadorExtraordinarioy Plenipotenciario 
de los Estados Unidos de America.- 
Presente. 
Translation 
REPUBLIC OF CHILE 
MINISTRY 
OF FOREIGN RELATIONS 
No. 004996. - 
SANTIAGO, May 10, 1947 
MR. AMBASSADOR: 
I have the honor to submit to Your Excellency the present declara- 
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==Works==
* ''Studies on the Libeaus Desconus'', vol. IV of ''Studies and Notes in Philology and Literature'' (1895) {{esl|https://archive.org/details/studiesonlibeaus00scho/}}
* ''[[English literature, from the Norman conquest to Chaucer]]'', (1906). {{Internet Archive small link|englishliteratu00schouoft}}


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The atmospheric circulation, being distinct from that of the outer earth, presented special features. What was most to be remarked with respect to the atmosphere is that it contained a minimum of dust particles; so that, though the air was saturated with moisture, condensation seldom took place, except along the border lands, where fogs were very prevalent. The great rain storm, producing the ﬂood we experienced, was probably due to an unusual disturbance of anti-cyclonic nature, whereby dust-mote loaded air of the anti-trade belt above had descended, causing sudden condensation. The waters, continually draining into a central basin and there evaporating, led to the production of a residual salt sea.

A knowledge of the strata underlying the basin would have been of the greatest value, but of course exposures were not available. However, a great accumulation of coal producing matter was presented in the jungle zone.

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That spur I did not need. She seemed to stand before me still as I had left her, with my kiss fresh on her cheeks, and on her lips that strange, nervous, helpless laugh, the laugh that admitted a folly she could not conquer, expressed a shame that burned her even while she braved it, and owned a love so compact of this folly and this shame that its joy seemed all one with their bitterness. But to my younger heart and hotter man's blood the folly and shame were now beaten down by the joy; it freed itself from them and soared up into my heart on a liberated and triumphant wing. I had achieved this thing—I, the boy they laughed at and tried to rule. She herself had laughed at me. She laughed thus no more. When I kissed her she had not called me Cæsar; she had found no utterance save in that laugh, and the message of that laugh was surrender.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{block center/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;Even then, when horror chiled my blood,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My heart was filled with love for thee:&lt;br /&gt;
The storm is past, and I at rest;&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}So, Mary, weep no more for me!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
O maiden dear, thyself prepare;&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}We soon shall meet upon that shore,&lt;br /&gt;
Where love is free from doubt and care,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And thou and I shall part no, more!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Loud crowed the cock, the shadow fled:&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}No more of Sandy could she see.&lt;br /&gt;
But soft the passing spirit said,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}&quot;Sweet Mary, weep no more for me!&quot;
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[{{sc|[[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|William Falconer]]}}, author of &quot;[[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]].&quot;] 

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{{sc|The}} smiling plains, profusely gay,&lt;br /&gt;
Are dress'd in all the pride of May;&lt;br /&gt;
The birds on every spray above&lt;br /&gt;
To rapture wake the vocal grove.&lt;br /&gt;
But, ah! Miranda, without thee,&lt;br /&gt;
Nor spring nor summer smiles on me,&lt;br /&gt;
All lonely in the secret shade,&lt;br /&gt;
I mourn thy absence, charming maid!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
O soft as love! as honour fair!&lt;br /&gt;
Serenely sweet as vernal air!&lt;br /&gt;
Come to my arms; for you alone&lt;br /&gt;
Can all my absence past atone.&lt;br /&gt;
O come! and to my bleeding heart&lt;br /&gt;
The sovereign balm of love impart; &lt;br /&gt;
Thy presence lasting joy shall bring,&lt;br /&gt;
And give the year eternal spring.}}


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[{{sc|William Motherwell.}}—This almost even surpasses the same author's &quot;Jeanie Morrison&quot; in passion and pathos.] 

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{{sc|My}} heid is like to rend, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My heart is like to break—&lt;br /&gt;
I'm wearin' aff my feet, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}I'm dyin' for your sake!&lt;br /&gt;
Oh lay your cheek to mine, Willie&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Your hand on my briest-bane—&lt;br /&gt;
Oh say ye'll think on me, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}When I am deid and gane!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It's vain to comfort me, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Sair grief maun ha'e its will—&lt;br /&gt;
But let me rest upon your briest,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}To sab and greet my fill.&lt;br /&gt;
Let me sit on your knee, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Let me shed by your hair,&lt;br /&gt;
And look into the face, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}I never shall see mair!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm sittin' on your knee, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}For the last time in my life—&lt;br /&gt;
A puir heart-broken thing, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}A mither, yet nae wife.&lt;br /&gt;
Ay, press your hand upon my heart,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And press it mair and mair—&lt;/br /&gt;
Or it will burst the silken twine&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Sae strang is its despair!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh wae's me for the hour, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}When we thegither met—&lt;br /&gt;
Oh wae's me for the time, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}That our first tryst was set!&lt;br /&gt;
Oh wae's me for the loanin' green&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Where we were wont to gae—&lt;br /&gt;
And wae's me for the destinie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}That gart me luve thee sae!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh! dinna mind my words, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}I downa seek to blame—&lt;br /&gt;
But oh! it's hard to live, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And dree a warld's shame!&lt;br /&gt;
Het tears are hailin' ower your cheek,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And hailin' ower your chin;&lt;br /&gt;
Why weep ye sae for worthlessness,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}For sorrow and for sin?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'm weary o' this warld, Willie, &lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And sick wi' a' I see—&lt;br /&gt;
I canna live as I ha'e lived,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Or be as I should be.&lt;br /&gt;
But fauld unto your heart, Willie,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}The heart that still is thine—&lt;br /&gt;
And kiss ance mair the white, white cheek,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Ye said was red langsyne.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A stoun' gaes through my heid, Willie, &lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}A sair stoun' through my heart—&lt;br /&gt;
Oh! haud me up and let me kiss&lt;br /&gt;
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[{{sc|[[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|William Falconer]]}}.—Air, &quot;The Mariner's Dirge.&quot;]

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{{sc|Ye}} lost companions of distress, adieu!&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Your toils, and pains, and dangers are no more;&lt;br /&gt;
The tempest now shall howl unheard by you,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}While ocean smites in vain the trembling shore.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On you the blast, surcharged with rain and snow,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}In winter's dismal nights no more shall beat;&lt;br /&gt;
Unfelt by you the vertic sun may glow,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}And scorch the panting earth with baneful heat.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The thundering drum, the trumpet's swelling strain&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Unheard, shall form the long embattled line;&lt;br /&gt;
Unheard, the deep foundations of the main&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Shall tumble, when the hostile squadrons join.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What though no funeral pomp, no borrowed tear,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Your hour of death to gazing crowds shall tell,&lt;br /&gt;
Nor weeping friends attend your sable bier,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Who sadly listen to the passing bell!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What tho' no sculptur'd pile your name displays,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Like those who perish in their country's cause!&lt;br /&gt;
What though no epic muse in living lays,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Records your dreadful daring with applause!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yet shall remembrance from oblivion's veil&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Believe your scene, and sigh with grief sincere,&lt;br /&gt;
And soft compassion, at your tragic tale,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}In silent tribute pay her kindred tear.
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[{{sc|David Tough}}.—Air, &quot;An gilleadh duth ciar duth.&quot;]

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{{sc|Alack}}, my sad heart! how it throbs wi' its sorrow;&lt;br /&gt;
I ne'er can awa' wi' the thoughts o' to-morrow;&lt;br /&gt;
My father he bargain'd to part wi' his Flora,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My black-hair'd dear laddie, O tak' me awa'!&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My black-hair'd dear laddie, O tak' me awa'!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I flee frae the grey-headed laird an' my father,&lt;br /&gt;
I flee to my shepherd, wha trips owre the heather;&lt;br /&gt;
We aye were fu' glad when at e'en we'd forgather;&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My black-hair'd dear laddie, tak' me awa'!&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My black-hair'd, &amp;c.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The story is tauld, an' her father's confounded,&lt;br /&gt;
The ha' wi' his rage an' rampagin' resounded;&lt;br /&gt;
The horn, an' the shout's spreadin' clamour, far sounded,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}To tell wha the shepherd had carried awa'.&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}To tell, &amp;c.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Owre hill, stream, an' valley, through bramble an' bracken,&lt;br /&gt;
They flew till the fugitives were overtaken;&lt;br /&gt;
They've torn them asunder, their tender hearts breakin';&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}The black-hair'd poor shepherd they drave him awa'.&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}The black-hair'd, &amp;c.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The shepherd he look'd in a sad sort o' languish,&lt;br /&gt;
An' Flora, o'ercome, in a heart-breakin' aniruish,&lt;br /&gt;
Exclaim'd—&quot;Frosty-headed laird ne'er shall extinguish&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My love for the laddie they've driven awa'.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}My love, &amp;c.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then, Flora, my life's saul, refrain thy sad sorrow,&lt;br /&gt;
Nor heed ye the purposed plan o' to-morrow,&lt;br /&gt;
The doitard is doited, the shepherds, dear Flora,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Ere morning's grey dawnin' will hae thee awa'.&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Ere morning, &amp;c.
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{{sc|The}} Rover o' Lochryan, he's gane&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Wi' his merry men sae brave;&lt;br /&gt;
Their hearts are o' the steel, an' a better keel&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Ne'er bowl'd owre the back o' a wave.&lt;br /&gt;
It's no when the loch lies dead in its trough,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}When naething disturbs it ava;&lt;br /&gt;
But the rack, an' the ride o' the restless side&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Or the splash o' the grey sea-maw.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It's no when the yawl an' the light skiffs crawl&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}Owre the breast o' the siller sea,&lt;br /&gt;
That I look to the west for the bark I lo'e best,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}An' the Rover that's dear to me.&lt;br /&gt;
But when that the clud lays its cheeks to the flud,&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}An' the sea lays its shouther to the shore;&lt;br /&gt;
When the win' sings high, an' the sea-whaups cry&lt;br /&gt;
{{gap|1em}}As they rise frae the whitening roar.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Works==

===Children's fiction===
* ''[[The Kingdom of the Winding Road]]'',  1915, illus. Frances White &lt;small&gt;[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc1.cu13187368 Hathitrust]&lt;/small&gt;
* ''[[Master Simon's Garden]]'', 1916 &lt;small&gt;[https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39076002265846 Hathitrust]&lt;/small&gt;
* ''[[The Pool of Stars]]'',  1919, illus. Edward C. Caswell
* ''[[The Windy Hill]]'', 1921, illus. Edward C. Caswell [Newbery runner-up] 
* ''[[Rain on the Roof]]'', 1925 illus. [[Author:Edith Ballinger Price|Edith Ballinger Price]]

===Fiction as Adair Aldon===
* ''[[The Island of Appledore]]'', 1917, illus. W. B. King 
* ''[[The Pirate of Jasper Peak]]'', 1918 
* ''At the Sign of the Two Heroes'', 1920 &lt;small&gt;(first serialized in ''Boy's Life'' 1920)&lt;/small&gt;
* ''[[The Hill of Adventure]]'',  1922, illus. J. Clinton Shepherd &lt;small&gt;[https://archive.org/details/hillofadventure00meig IA]&lt;/small&gt;

===Plays===
* ''[[The Steadfast Princess]]; a play for young people'', 1916 [Drama League prize] &lt;small&gt;[https://archive.org/details/steadfastprinces00meig IA]&lt;/small&gt;
* ''[[Helga and the White Peacock]]; a play in three acts for young people'',  1922 &lt;small&gt;[https://archive.org/details/helgawhitepeacoc00meig IA]&lt;/small&gt;

===Short works from magazines===
* &quot;[[The Black Sheep's Coat]]&quot; (ss) ''Windsor Magazine'', 1921
* &quot;[[Primrose Lane]]&quot;  (play with music) ''St Nicholas'', 1919 
* &quot;[[Romance (Meigs)|Romance]]&quot; (verse) ''St Nicholas'', 1921

===Other works===
(For information only)

Biographies
* Invincible Louisa: The Story of the Author of &quot;Little Women&quot;, 1933 [Newbery Medal winner] 
* Jane Adams: Pioneer for Social Justice: A Biography, 1970

Adult works
* Railroad West, 1937, (novel)
* The Violent Men: A Study of Human Relations in the First American Congress, 1949
* A Critical History of Children's Literature: A Survey of Children's Books in English from Earliest Times to the Present, Prepared in Four Parts Under the Editorship of Cornelia Meigs, 1953; with Anne Thaxter Eaton, Elizabeth Nesbit and Ruth Hill Viguers
** Second edition, A Critical History of Children's Literature: A Survey of Children's Books in English, 1969}
* What Makes a College? A History of Bryn Mawr, 1956

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Primary interests; Linguistics, Ancient Rome + Byzantine Studies, Latin, Africa, The Gambia, Law, North Carolina, the East Asian Cultural Sphere, South East Asia, Theology/Mythology/Religious Studies, Alchemy, Magic, Occult, etc., Calligraphy, Paleography, Political Science, Economics, Socialism/Anarchism/Marxism and etc. (List is not in any particular order)

Feel free to contact me on my user talk page, or at the WikiSource Discord, reboot01!

== Currently working on/Want to have time to work on ==
=== Projects ===
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject North Carolina/North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)|Sub-Project North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)]]

=== Indexes ===
* [[Index:Mother (IA mother00gorkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:Lltreaties-ustbv001.pdf]]
* [[Index:The anatomy of melancholy - vvhat it is, vvith all the kindes, causes, symptomes, prognostickes, and severall cures of it - in three maine partitions with their seuerall sections (IA anatomyofmelanch00burt 2).pdf]]

====Reference Works, Dictionaries, Ecyclopedias, Language etc,====
* [[Index:Helps for student-writers (IA helpsforstudentw00hawk).pdf]]
* [[Index:Short stories in the making; a writers' and students' introduction to the technique and practical composition of short stories (IA shortstoriesinma00nea).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on the elements of hieroglyphics and Egyptian antiquities (IA lecturesonelemen00spin).pdf]]
* [[Index:Account of Some Recent Discoveries in Hieroglyphical Literature and Egyptian Antiquities (IA dli.granth.37546).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Samaritan language, with extracts and vocabulary (IA grammarofsamarit00nich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The dialect of the southern counties of Scotland - Murray - 1873.djvu]]
* [[Index:The place names of Elginshire (IA placenamesofelgi00mathrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA historyofenglish00brya).pdf]], 1919 reprint
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA cu31924017774658).pdf]], 1913 print
* [[Index:A grammar of the Mandingo language- with vocabularies (IA grammarofmanding00macb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern English - its growth and present use (IA modernenglishits00krap).pdf]]
* [[Index:The rise, progress, and present structure of the English language. (IA harrisonriseprog00harr).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0000geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0002geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The American language; an inquiry into the development of English in the United States (IA americanlanguage00menc 0).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:The American Language.djvu]]
* [[Index:American English (IA americanenglish00tuck).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishdialectg00wrig/ The English Dialect Grammar]
* [[Index:Phonology and grammar of modern west Frisian, with phonetic texts and glossary (IA phonologygrammar00sipm).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummiala).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Frisian language and literature- a historical study (IA frisianlanguagel00hewerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A key into the language of America- or, An help to the language of the natives in that part of America, called New-England. - Together, with briefe observations of the customes (IA keyintolanguageo00will 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:File:A grammar of the Malagasy language, in the Ankova dialect (IA grammarofmalagas00grifrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the Maya hieroglyphs (IA introductiontost00morl 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/grammarofoscanum00buckuoft/ A Grammar of Oscan and Umbrian]
* [[Index:Pronunciation of Latin in the Augustan period (IA pronunciationofl00cambrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/childrensliterat0000curr/ Children's Literature]
* [[Index:Rudiments of Grammar for the English-Saxon Tongue (Elstob 1715).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Icelandic-English Dictionary - Cleasby &amp; Vigfusson - 1874.djvu]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume I, A-B.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume II, C-L.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume III, M-Z.pdf]]
* [[Index:Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pantographia - Fry - 1799.djvu]]
* [[Index:A practical grammar of the Hebrew language - Felsenthal - 1868.djvu]]
* [[Index:The grammar of English grammars.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Brasilian language and its agglutination.pdf]]
* [[Index:AnEssayTowardsARealCharacterAndAPhilosophicalLanguage.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Universal Alphabet, Grammar, and Language (universalalphabe00edmo, George Edmunds, 1856) (IA universalalphabe00edmo).pdf]]

====Theology, Spirituality, Occult, Mythology, old science and medicine etc.====
* [https://archive.org/details/orientalliteratu00muhiuoft/ The Dabistan]
* [https://archive.org/details/witchesstilllive00keny/ Witches Still Live]
* [[Index:Aradia or The Gospel of the witches.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29978518/ The mysteries and secrets of magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonologywitchc00brow/ Demonology and Witchcraft]
* [[Index:Witch, warlock, and magician; historical sketches of magic and witchcraft in England and Scotland (IA witchwarlockmagi00adamrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of witches; (IA bookofwitches00huef).pdf]]
* [[Index:La sorcière; the witch of the middle ages (IA lasorcierewitcho00michiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dragonsdragonlor0000erne/ Dragons and Dragon Lore]
* [[Index:The evolution of the dragon (IA evolutionofdrago00smituoft).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/celticdragonmyth0000jrge/ The Celtic Dragon Myth]
* [https://archive.org/details/unicornamytholo00browgoog/ The Unicorn: A Mythological Investigation]
* [[Index:The religions of eastern Asia (IA religionsofeaste00underich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An account of the rise and progress of Mahometanism.djvu]]
* [[Index:Mahommed, &quot;the great Arabian,&quot; (IA mahommedthegreat00townrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The life of Mohammed; founder of the religion of Islam, and of the empire of the Saracens (IA lifeofmohammedfo00bushrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism (IA mohammedanism00margiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism, a pseudo christianity (IA mohammedanismpse00clyd).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje - Mohammedanism (1916).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifereligionofma0000mene/ The life and religion of Mahommed]
* [[Index:The Columbian Congress of the Universalist Church - papers and addresses at the Congress, held as a section of the World's Congress Auxiliary of the Columbian Exposition, 1893 (IA columbiancongres00colu).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our word and work for missions; (IA ourwordworkformi00rugg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Christian apologetics (IA handbookofchrist00garviala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unitarianism in America; a history of its origin and development (IA cu31924029477852).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ordination of women to the pastorate in Baptist churches (IA ordinationofwome00hung).pdf]]
* [[Index:Women in the Apostolic church; a critical study of the evidence in the New Testament for the prominence of women in early Christianity (IA womeninapostolic00allwrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theplaceofwomeni00unknuoft/ The Place of Women in the Church]
* [https://archive.org/details/womaninpulpit00will/ Women in the Pulpit]
* [https://archive.org/details/minhaj_al-talibin_english/ Minhaj Al-Talibin]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/traditionsofisla0000alfr/ The Traditions of Islam]
* [https://archive.org/details/muhammadinhadees0000abul/ Muhammad in the Hadees]
* [https://archive.org/details/amanualofthelead00tisduoft/ A manual of the leading Muhammadan objections to Christianity]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoriginalsourc00tisduoft/ The original sources of the Qur'ân]
* [[Index:The sword of Islam (IA swordofislam00woll).pdf]]
* [[Index:The spirit of Islam; or, The life and teachings of Mohammed (IA spiritofislamorl00alisrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Moslem seeker after God - showing Islam at its best in the life and teaching of al-Ghazali, mystic and theologian of the eleventh century (IA moslemseekeraft00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritan Pentateuch- the story of a survival among the sects (IA samaritanpentate00bart).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirh00gast/ The Samaritans : their history, doctrines and literature]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirt00thomuoft/ The Samaritans: their testimony to the religion of Israel]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29351765/ An Account of the Rise and Progress of Mahometanism]
* [[Index:The book of Yahweh (The Yahwist Bible) - fragments from the primitive document in seven early books of the Old Testament (IA cu31924029285661).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lecturesonmodern00bart/ Lectures on Modern Universalism]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of opinions on the scriptural doctrine of retribution]
* [https://archive.org/details/mysteryhidfromag00chau_0/ The Mystery Hid from Ages and Generations]
* [[Index:Sermons in vindication of Universalism...in reply to &quot;Lectures on Universalism&quot;; (IA sermonsinvindica00mors).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our new departure; (IA ournewdeparture00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Universalism as it is; or, Text book of modern universalism in America (IA universalismasit00hatfrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The plain guide to Universalism - designed to lead inquirers to the belief of that doctrine, and believers to the practice of it (IA plainguidetouniv00whitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook of Christian symbolism (IA handbookofchrist00auds).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible manual. Introductory course on the Bible, for teachers training classes and Bible classes (IA biblemanualintro00kram).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of Opinions on the Scriptural Doctrine of Future Retribution]
* [[Index:Over the river- (IA overriver00thayiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originhistoryofd00thay_0/ The origin and history of the doctrine of endless punishment]
* [https://archive.org/details/theologyofuniver00thay/ Theology of Universalism]
* [[index:An examination of the doctrine of future retribution (IA examinationofdoc00ball).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity against infidelity.. (IA christianityagai00thay).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bible class assistant, or Scriptural guide for Sunday schools.. (IA bibleclassassist00thay).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/elevensermonswhi00ball/ The eleven sermons which were preached]
* [[Index:The Christian universalist (IA christianunivers00mitc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible proofs of universal salvation.. (IA bibleproofsofuni00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ancient history of universalism, from the time of the apostles to its condemnation in the fifth general council, A. D. 553 (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 1).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1842
* [[Index:Universalism, the prevailing doctrine of the Christian church during its first five hundred years; with authorities and extracts (IA universalismpre00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient history of universalism - from the time of the apostles, to the fifth general council - with an appendix, tracing the doctrine to the Reformation (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 0).pdf]], Boston Reprint, 1872
* [[Index:The divine government (IA divinegovernment00smit).pdf]], 5th Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/restorationofall00whit/ The restoration of all things]
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A critical exposition of the popular Jihád.pdf]]
* [[Index:Te Ika a Maui, or, New Zealand and its inhabitants - with the geology, natural history, productions, and climate of the country, etc. (IA teikamauiornewze1855rich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Polynesian Mythology by George Grey (polynesianmythol00greyuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths And Songs From The South Pacific (IA mythsandsongsfro013889mbp).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of Ma-ui-a demi god of Polynesia (IA legendsofmauiade00west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation myths of primitive America - in relation to the religious history and mental development of mankind (IA creationmyths00curtrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian legends of volcanoes (mythology) (IA hawaiianlegendso01west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of gods and ghosts (Hawaiian mythology).djvu]]
* [[Index:The legends and myths of Hawaii - the fables and folk-lore of a strange people (IA legendsmythsofha00kala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pele and Hiiaka; a myth from Hawaii (IA pelehiiakamythfr00emeriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian antiquities (Moolelo Hawaii) (IA hawaiianantiquit00malorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unwritten literature of Hawaii; the sacred songs of the hula (IA cu31924026916415).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Jewish proverbs (IA ancientjewishpro00cohe).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Babylonian Talmud- Tractate Berakot; translated into English for the first time, with introduction, commentary, glossary and indices (IA babyloniantalmud00coheiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sacred cosmogony; or, Primitive revelation demonstrated by the harmony of the facts of the Mosaic history of the creation, with the principles of general science (IA sacredcosmogonyo00sori).pdf]]
* [[Index:A short survey of the literature of rabbinical and mediæval Judaism (IA cu31924029285371).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Preaching of Islam, by T. W. Arnold; 1935.djvu]]
* [[Index:The religion of Islám (IA religionofislm00kleirich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originsofdruzepe00hitt/ The origins of the Druze people and religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects01wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects02wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 2]
* [[Index:A contribution to the comparative study of the medieval visions of heaven and hell (IA contributiontoco01beck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demon possession and allied themes; being an inductive study of phenomena of our own times (IA demonpossessiona00neviiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Devil Worship.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/heavenhellincomp0000kohl/ Heaven and hell in comparative religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/diabolologyperso1890jewe/ Diabolology]
* [[Index:The Book of the Goetia (Mathers-Crowley, 1904).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Key of Solomon the king (Clavicula Salomonis) (IA b24884431).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lesserkeyofsolom00dela/ The Lesser Key of Solomon]
* [[Index:Irish witchcraft and demonology (IA irishwitchcraftd00seymrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw2).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofworldswor00dobbuoft/ Story of the World's Worship]
* [https://archive.org/details/moonlore00harl/ Moon Lore]
* [[Index:Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/womansshareinpri00maso/ Woman's Share in Primitive Culture]
* [[Index:Germanic origins (IA germanicorigins00gumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman, church and state- a historical account of the status of woman through the Christian ages- with reminiscences of matriarchate - (IA womanchurchstate00gagerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Golden Bough (1922).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths and myth-makers- old tales and superstitions interpreted by comparative mythology (IA mythsandmythmake00fiskiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Researches in prehistoric and protohistoric comparative philology, mythology, and archæology, in connection with the origin of culture in America and the Accad or Sumerian families (IA researchesinpreh00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The material culture and social institutions of the simpler peoples; an essay in correlation (IA materialcultures00hobhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the science of comparative mythology and folklore (IA cu31924029075328).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility, and allied topics (IA cu31924030410801).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility and allied topics (IA b21778176).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Catholic's ready answer; a popular vindication of Christian beliefs and practices against the attacks of modern criticism (IA catholicsreadyan00hill).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/commentaryonbibl00peak/ A commentary on the Bible]
* [[Index:The Bible and astronomy; (IA bibleastronomy00kurt).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sunloreofallages00olco/ Sun Lore of All Ages]
* [[Index:An account of the life and writings of S. Irenæus (IA accountoflifewri00beav).pdf]]
* [[Index:Heresy and Chistian doctrine (IA heresychistiando00pres).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/observationsonhe0000whit/ Observations on heresy and orthodoxy]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalviewof00mcfa/ An historical view of heresies and vindication of the primitive fait]
* [[Index:The gnostic heresies of the first and second centuries (IA gnosticheresieso00mansrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aryan sun-myths the origin of religions; (IA aryansunmythsori00titcrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaicall philosophy - grounded upon the essentiall truth or eternal sapience (IA mosaicallphiloso00flud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of four-footed beasts and serpents. (IA historyoffourfoo00tops).pdf]]
* [[Index:The historie of foure-footed beastes (1607).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the Unseen World]
* [[Index:Angelology.. (IA angelology00clay).pdf]]
* [[Index:Angelology-.. (IA angelology00mcca).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30330610).pdf]], Blagraves astrological practice of physick
* [[Index:Anatomical texts of the earlier middle ages; a study in the transmission of culture (1927).djvu]]
* [[Index:Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (IA mobot31753000703782).pdf]], Paradisi in sole paradisus terrestris
* [[Index:The philosophy of witchcraft (IA philosophyofwitc00mitciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30529906).pdf]], The compleat wizzard
* [[Index:A commentary on the Holy Bible (1909) (IA commentaryonholy01dumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord, or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church; comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00luth).pdf]], 1st edition, 1851
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord = or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church - comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00henk).pdf]], 2nd edition 1854
* [[Index:Books from the Library of Congress (IA theologicalpropd03scha).pdf]], Theological propædeutic; a general introduction to the study of theology
* [[Index:A Complete System of Christian Theology (Wakefield, 1869, completesystemof0000wake).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Queen of Sheba &amp; her only son Menyelek (IA queenofshebahero00budgrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some answered questions; collected and tr. from the Persian of 'Abdu'l-Baha, by Laura Clifford Barney (IA someansweredques00abdurich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hujajul Beheyyeh (The Behai proofs) (IA hujajulbeheyyeht00abua).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sevenvalleysreve00bah/ The Seven Valleys]
* [[Index:Tablet of tarazat, Tablet of the world, Words of Paradise, Tablet of Tajalleyat, The glad tidings; (IA tabletoftarazatt00baharich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun01abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun0002abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [[Index:The theology and ethics of the Hebrews (IA theologyethicsof00duffiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thesixdaysofcrea00lewsuoft/ The Six Days of Creation]
* [[Index:The chemical history of the six days of creation (IA cu31924029284399).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/patriarchalageor00smituoft/ The patriarchal age; or, The history and religion of mankind]
* [[Index:The patriarchal age; (IA patriarchalage00phil).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the unseen world; a study in Old Testament religion]
* [[Index:The unity of the book of Genesis (IA unityofbookofge00gree).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees, translated from the Ethiopic (IA cu31924076045669).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Jubilees. Robert Henry Charles. 1902 (IA bookofjubileesor00char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees. Robert Charles, George Box. 1917 (IA bookofjubileesor01char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Exodus, with introduction and notes (IA bookofexoduswith00mcnerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bookofgenesisnot00drivuoft/ The Book of Genesis; with introduction and notes by S.R. Driver]
* [[Index:The legends of Genesis (IA legendsofgenesis00gunk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Genesis in the light of modern knowledge (IA bookofgenesisinl01worc).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/worldbeforeabrah00mitcuoft/ The World before Abraham, according to Genesis I-XI]
* [[Index:The creation - a commentary on the first five chapters of the book of Genesis (IA creationcommenta00luth).pdf]]
* [[Index:The genesis of Genesis; (IA genesisofgenesis00bacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early traditions of Genesis (IA earlytraditionso00gordrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/teachingvaluesof00stri/ Teaching values of the legends and myths of Genesis]]
* [[Index:The composition of the book of Genesis (IA compositionofbo00frip).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on the book of Genesis (IA notesonbookofgen00mackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Discourses on the book of Genesis (IA discoursesonbook00henriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indications of the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA indicationsoffir00latc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Outline studies in Genesis (IA outlinestudiesin00russ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies on the book of Genesis (IA studiesonbookof00prat).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early narratives of Genesis; a brief introduction to the study of Genesis I-XI (IA earlynarrativeso00rylerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes, critical and explanatory, on the book of Genesis ... (IA notescriticalexp00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation and the fall; a defence and exposition of the first three chapters of Genesis (IA creationfalldefe00macd).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/expositionofthre00glea/ An exposition of the three first chapters of Genesis, explained and improved]
* [[Index:The historical value of the first eleven chapters of Genesis; with some discussion of the new criticism (IA historicalvalueo00beac).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaic cosmogony. Literal translation of first chapter of Genesis, with annotations and rationalia (IA cu31924031786928).pdf]]
* [[Index:The first chapter of Genesis as the rock foundation for science and religion (IA cu31924031224789).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/notesobservation00scot/ Notes and observations upon the three first chapters of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/acriticalandexe01murpgoog/ A critical and exegetical commentary on the book of Genesis, 1st Edition, Edinburgh, 1863]
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- (IA genesisiii00grot).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1880
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- an essay on the Bible narrative of creation (IA genesisiiiessayo01grot).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1881
* [[Index:The tabernacle - or the Gospel according to Moses (IA tabernacleorgosp00junk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Tabernacle; its history and structure (IA tabernacleitshis00cald).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/primevalrevelati00jone/ Primeval Revelation: Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/messagesformorni00trum/ Messages for the Morning Watch: Devotional Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/beginningsofhebr00cole/ The Beginnings of the Hebrew People: Studies in the Book of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/genesisorfirstbo0000lang/ Genesis, or, the first book of Moses, together with a general theological and homiletical introduction to the Old Testament]
* [[Index:The myths of Israel, the ancient book of Genesis with analysis and explanation of its composition (IA mythsofisraelanc00fisk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ages before Moses- a series of lectures on the book of Genesis (IA cu31924029289737).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Jewish Interpretation of the Book of Genesis (Morgenstern, 1919, jewishinterpreta00morg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses called Genesis (IA cuponfi00patr).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA comfi00patr).pdf]], 2nd edition, missing pages
* [[Index:A companion to the book of Genesis (IA companiontobook00turn).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of Moses (IA lawofmoses00navi).pdf]]
* The covenant of nature made with Adam described {{esl|https://archive.org/details/covenantofnature00pync/}}
* [[Index:The history and philosophy of Judaism (IA historyphilosoph00shawiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Intermediate types among primitive folk- a study in social evolution (IA cu31924021843986).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity and sex problems (IA cu31924021843259).pdf]]
* [[Index:Source book for social origins; ethnological materials, psychological standpoint, classified and annotated bibliographies for the interpretation of savage society (IA sourcebookforsoc00thomiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sex and society; studies in the social psychology of sex (IA sexsocietystudie00thom).pdf]]
* [[Index:Man and woman (electronic resource) - a study of human secondary sexual characters (IA b20410761).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to systematic philosophy (IA introductiontosy00marv).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to philosophy (IA introductiontoph00flet).pdf]]
* [[Index:Book of Mormon (1830, bookofmormonacco1830smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy scriptures (IA holyscriptures00smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indago astrologica- or a brief and modest enquiry into some principal points of astrology (IA b30333519).pdf]]
* [[Index:An encyclopaedia of occultism a compendium of information on the occult sciences, occult personalities, psychic science, magic, demonology, spiritism and mysticism.djvu]]
* [[Index:The long lost friend, or, Faithful &amp; Christian instructions (0223252.nlm.nih.gov ,John George Hohman, 1850).djvu]]
* [[Index:Summa Theologica (2nd rev. ed.) - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The abridgment of Christian divinitie.djvu]]
* [[Index:Alcoran of Mahomet 1649.djvu]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of Islam.djvu]]
* [[Index:Thomas Patrick Hughes - Notes on Muhammadanism - 2ed. (1877).djvu]]
* [[Index:The discouerie of witchcraft (1584) (IA b30337367).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mirror of Alchimy (1597, mirrorofalchimy00baco).djvu]]
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:Three Books of Occult Philosophy (De Occulta Philosophia) (1651).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Magus, or Celestial Intelligencer - Barrett - 1801.djvu]]
* [[Index:St Augustine Of the Citie of God.pdf]]
* [[Index:1582 Rhemes New Testament.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy Bible (LSV).pdf]]
* [[Index:Batman upon Bartolome.djvu]]
* [[Index:An analysis of the Egyptian mythology- to which is subjoined, a critical examination of the remains of Egyptian chronology (IA b29350074).pdf]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 2.djvu]]

====Economic/Social studies/History/Law====
* [[Index:Problems of readjustment after the war (IA problemsofreadju00newy).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of government organization and management (IA principlesofgove00clev).pdf]]
* [[Index:The new spirit of the new army; a message to the &quot;service flag&quot; homes (IA newspiritofnewar00odel).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church in America; a study of the present condition and future prospects of American Protestantism (IA churchinamericas01brow).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/middletownstudyi0000lynd/ Middletown: a study in American culture]
* [[Index:Organized self-government (IA organizedselfgov00daws).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jewishselfgovern00fink/ Jewish self-government in the middle ages]
* [https://archive.org/details/citiesinevolutio00gedduoft/ Cities in Evolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpublicli0000unse/ The American Public Library and the Diffusion of Knowledge]
* [[Index:Co-operative housekeeping; how not to do it and how to do it (IA cooperativehouse00peir).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar and the rise of the Mughal empire; (IA akbarriseofmugha00mallrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar, emperor of India, a picture of life and customs from the sixteenth century (IA akbaremperorofin00garb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins02abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins01abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local government in Francia and England- a comparison of the local administration and jurisdiction of the Carolingian empire with that of the West Saxon kingdom (IA localgovernmenti00camhiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The making of the English constitution, 449-1485 (IA makingofenglishc00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the shire, being the lore, history and evolution of English county institutions (IA storyofshirebein00hack).pdf]]
* [[Index:The polity of the ancient Hebrews (IA polityofancienth00sulzrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz - the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA cu31924089135754).pdf]], 2nd Printing, 1910
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz, the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA amhaaretzancient00sulziala).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/revolutionbyreas0000stra/ Revolution by Reason, an account of the financial proposals submitted by Oswald Mosley at the 33d Independent Labour Party Conference]
* [[Index:The story of rapid transit (IA storyofrapidtran00willrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Interborough rapid transit; the New York subway, its construction and equipment (IA interboroughrapi00interich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ethnologyofakamb00hobluoft/ Ethnology of A-Kamba and other East African Tribes]
* [https://archive.org/details/africapastpresen00mois/ Africa: Past and Present]
* [https://archive.org/details/soulofbantusympa00will_0/ The Soul of the Bantu]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofislando00copl/ A History of the Island of Madagascar]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor01oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor02oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/b31516993/ The Antananarivo annual and Madagascar magazine]
* [[Index:The history of Dahomy, an inland kingdom of Africa (IA b28764808).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Visigothic Code.djvu]]
* [[Index:A manual of elementary law (IA cu31924018811376).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/countrytownstudy00andeuoft/ The Country Town]
* [[Index:Principles of American state administration, by John Mabry Mathews. (IA principlesofamer00math).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on Slavonic law, being the Ilchester lectures for the year 1900; (IA cu31924022021566).pdf]]
* [[index:Ideals of America; (IA idealsofamerica00city).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/urbancommunityse00burgrich/ The Urban Community]
* [https://archive.org/details/chicagoexperimen00smit/ Chicago, an Experiment in Social Science Research]
* [https://archive.org/details/howesneweracivic00howe/ Howe's new era civics]
* [https://archive.org/details/safeguardingamer00atwoiala Safeguarding american ideals]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpolitica00merriala/ American political ideas; studies in the development of American political thought 1865-1917]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanthoughtf00rilerich/ American thought: from Puritanism to pragmatism]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924007488954/ The foundations of American foreign policy]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924031446465/ Liberty, Union and Democracy, The National Ideas of America]
* [https://archive.org/details/nationalgovernme00kimbrich/ The national government of the United States]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallawsagenci00unse/ Social laws and agencies of North Carolina]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanidealsot0000unse/ American ideals, and other essays, social and political]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hillrich/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanizationp00talb/ Americanization]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hill/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourdualgovernmen00broo/ Our dual government, studies in Americanism for young people]
* [https://archive.org/details/everydayamerican00canbrich/ Everyday Americans]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofamerican00hopk/ A manual of American ideas]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac01form/ The American democracy, 1920]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac00form/ The American Democracy, 1921, 2nd Printing]
* [https://archive.org/details/citizensguideorm00gibs/ The citizens' guide]
* [[Index:Community buildings for industrial towns (IA communitybuildin00comm).pdf]]
* [[index:Rural and small community recreation. Suggestions for utilizing the resources of rural communities; (IA ruralsmallcommun00commrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A course in citizenship and patriotism (IA courseincitizens00cabo).pdf]]
* [[Index:A selected bibliography and syllabus of the history of the South, 1584-1876 (IA selectedbibliogr00boydrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The demonstration work; Dr. Seaman A. Knapp's contribution to civilization (IA demonstrationwor00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Party organization and machinery (IA partyorgmachiner00macy).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of Negro extension work, 1914-1924 (IA decadeofnegroext72mart).pdf]]
* [[Index:Educational resources of village and rural communities (IA educationalresou00hart).pdf]]
* [[Index:The validity of American ideals (IA validityofameric01math).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church and the community (IA cu31924014043362).pdf]]
* [[Index:Social ideals of a free church (IA socialidealsoffr00forbiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christian Americanization; a task for the churches (IA brookschristiana00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:America via the neighborhood (IA americavianeighb00danirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our neighborhood; good citizenship in rural communities (IA cu31924080075959).pdf]]
* [[Index:The free city; a book of neighborhood (IA freecitybookofne00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Neighborhood entertainments (IA cu31924014493542).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rural community organization (IA ruralcommunityor00haye).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community center; what it is and how to organize it (IA communitycenterw00jack).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community church; the story of a minister's experience which led him from the church militant to the church democratic (IA communitychurchs00jackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Community organization (IA communityorganiz00hartiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialservicefor00ward_0/ Social Services for Young People]
* [[Index:Pupil self-government, its theory and practice (IA pupilselfgovernm00cron).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/communityorganiz00stei/ Community Organization: A Study of its Current Theory and Practice]
* [[Index:The little democracy, a text-book on community organization (IA littledemocracyt00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The country church and community cooperation (IA countrychurchcom00israrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local and central government; a comparative study of England, France, Prussia, and the United States (IA localcentralgove00ashl).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal administration in Germany as seen in the government of a typical Prussian city, Halle a-S (IA municipaladminis00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of Prussian administration (IA principlesofprus00jamerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/governmentadmini0000blac/ The Government and Administration of Germany]
* [[Index:The government of Wyoming - the history, constitution and administration of affairs (IA governmentofwyom00heba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The principles of the administrative law of the United States (IA principlesofadmi00good).pdf]]
* [[Index:Statesman's handbook for Russia (IA statesmanshandbo00russrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warrussiangovern0000unse/ The war and the Russian government. The central government]
* [[Index:Modern customs and ancient laws of Russia; being the Ilchester lectures for 1889-90; (IA cu31924014085983).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lancasteryorkcen01rams/ Lancaster and York, Volume 1]
* [[Index:Lancaster and York; a century of English history (A.D. 1399-1485) (IA cu31924088011436).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The houses of Lancaster and York, with the conquest and loss of France; (IA housesoflancaste01gair).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warsofroses00mowauoft/ The Wars of the Roses]
* [[Index:Wales and the wars of the Roses (IA waleswarsofroses00evanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:English towns in the wars of the Roses (IA englishtownsinwa00wins).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal government in Ireland - medieval &amp; modern (IA municipalgovernm00webbrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:Men of the old stone age, their environment, life and art (IA menofoldstoneage00osborich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The English in the middle ages; from the Norman usurpation to the days of the Stuarts. Their mode of life, dress, arms, occupations, and amusements. As illustrated in the British Museum (IA englishinmiddlea00hodg).pdf]]
* [[Index:Arms and armour in antiquity and the middle ages - also a descriptive notice of modern weapons (IA b24865990).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/armourweapons00ffouuoft/ Armour &amp; Weapons]
* [https://archive.org/details/treatiseonancien00grosrich/ A treatise on ancient armour and weapons]
* [[Index:An illustrated history of arms and armour from the earliest period to the present time (IA illustratedhisto00demmrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Germany in the later Middle Ages, 1200-1500 (IA germanyinlatermi00stub).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ayliffejuriscanonici/ Parergon Juris Canonici Anglicani]
* [[Index:The Effects of Civilisation on the People in European States.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/developmentofeur0000smit/ The Development of European Law]
* [[Index:The Art of War in the Middle Ages (Chadwick, 1885, artofwarinmiddle00omanuoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:The History of the Isle of Man (1780, historyofisleofm00dubl).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 1 (1101-1377).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 2 (1377-1509).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 3 (1509-47).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 1 (1547-84).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 2 (1586-1625).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 5 (1628-80).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 6 (1685-94).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 7 (1695-1701).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 8 (1702-7).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 9 (1708-13).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Alphabetical Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Chronological Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Laws and Acts of Parliament of Scotland.djvu]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the middle ages (375-814) (IA introductiontost00emer).pdf]]
* [[Index:Villainage in England; essays in English mediaeval history (IA cu31924024908356).pdf]]
* [[Index:Law and politics in the middle ages, with a synoptic table of sources (IA cu31924030432532).pdf]]
* [[Index:De republica Anglorum. The maner of gouernement or policie of the realme of England, compiled by the honorable sir Thomas Smyth .. (IA ita-bnc-mag-00002562-001).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Lexicon of Medieval Nordic Law (OBP.0188, 2020).pdf]]
* [[Index:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.djvu]]
* [[Index:The riddles of the Exeter book (IA riddlesofexeterb00tupp).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Law of the Westgoths - tr. Bergin - 1906.djvu]]
* [[Index:Laws of the Earliest English Kings.djvu]]
* [[Index:The sources of the law of England - an historical introduction to the study of English law (IA cu31924021687227).pdf]]
* [[Index:George Philips, Lex parliamentaria (1st ed, 1690).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of economics (IA historyofeconomi00macliala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian currency and finance (IA indiancurrencyfi00keynuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:An inquiry into the various systems of political economy- their advantages and disadvantages- and the theory most favourable to the increase of national wealth (IA inquiryintovario00gani).pdf]]
* [[Index:National system of political economy (IA nationalsystemof00list).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of political economy; or, Elementary view of the manner in which the wealth of nations is produced, increased, distributed, and consumed (IA introductiontost00boilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Theory of Moral Sentiments.pdf]]
* [[Index:Treatise on Probability, Keynes, 1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:Monasticon Anglicanum, or, The history of the ancient abbies, and other monasteries, hospitals, cathedral and collegiate churches in England and Wales. With divers French, Irish (IA monasticonanglic00dugd).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of Gothic architecture (IA introductiontost00park 9).pdf]], 1st edition
* [[Index:Architecture; an introduction to the history and theory of the art of building (IA architectureintr00leth 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Race distinctions in American Law (IA racedistinctions00stepiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of city planning and zoning (IA lawofcityplannin00williala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The improvement of towns and cities - or, The practical basis of civic aesthetics (IA improvementoftow00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern civic art - or, The city made beautiful (IA moderncivicartor00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of civic development (IA decadeofcivicdev00zueb).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning, with special reference to the planning of streets and lots (IA cu31924064909660).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern city planning and maintenance (IA moderncityplanni00koes).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning; a series of papers presenting the essential elements of a city plan (IA cityplanningseri00noleiala).pdf]]

=====Labor, Socialism, Anarchism, Communist, Feminism, LGBTQ+=====
* [[Index:Americanism; a world menace (IA americanismworld00coly).pdf]]
* [[Index:Emma Goldman - The Social Significance of the Modern Drama - 1914.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx and modern socialism (IA karlmarxmodernso00salt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx; his life and work (IA cu31924002310864).pdf]], John Spargo, 1912
* [https://archive.org/details/karlmarxhislifew00rhle/ Karl Marx; his life and work, Otto Ruhle, 1929]
* [[Index:The old freedom (IA oldfreedom00neilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A History of Socialism.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/marxianeconomics00unte/ Marxian Economics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:The revolt of democracy (IA revoltofdemocrac00wallrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialismofchris00bierrich/ Socialism of Christ]
* [[Index:German Social Democracy - Six Lectures by Bertrand Russell.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx - Wage Labor and Capital - tr. Harriet E. Lothrop (1902).djvu]]
* [[Index:The ego and his own (IA egohisown00stiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ten blind leaders of the blind - by Arthur M. Lewis (IA tenblindleaderso00lewirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Egoists, a book of supermen- (IA egoistsbookofsu00hune).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/philosophyofegoi00walk/ The Philosophy of Egoism]
* [[Index:Anarchism (Eltzbacher, 1908 English translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Socialist Review (1900-1918), Vol. 1, Issue 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Jungle (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchy and Anarchists (Schaack, 1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchism; a criticism and history of the anarchist theory (IA anarchismcritici00zenkiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Anarchism and socialism (IA anarchismsociali00plek).pdf]]
* [[Index:Trade unionism in the United States (IA cu31924013988195).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of trade unionism in the United States (IA historyoftradeun00perliala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoryoflabormov0000seli/ A Theory of the Labor Movement]
* [[Index:Communism in America; (IA communisminameri00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA communistsocieties00nordrich).pdf]], The Communistic Societies of the United States
* [https://archive.org/details/leftwingunionism/ Left Wing Unionism]
* [[Index:Jay Lovestone - Blood and Steel (1923)).djvu]]
* ''History of American Socialisms'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofamerica00innoye/page/14/mode/2up}}
* [[Index:On labour, its wrongful claims and rightful dues, its actual present and possible future (IA onlabouritswrong00thor).pdf]]
* [[Index:Voluntary socialism; a sketch (IA voluntarysociali00tandrich).pdf]], 2nd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/voluntarysocial01tandgoog/ Voluntary Socialism, 1st Edition]
* [[Index:Arkady Joseph Sack - The Birth of the Russian Democracy (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The struggle for existence (IA struggleforexist00millrich).pdf]], First Edition
* [[Index:Direct action (IA directaction00mell).pdf]]

=====Racism, Antisemitism, National Socialism, KKK, Nationalism, Right, etc.=====
* [[Index:The revolt against civilization; the menace of the under man (IA cu31924016895975).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/reddragonblacksh00phil/ The &quot;Red&quot; Dragon and the Black Shirts]
* [https://archive.org/details/pragmaticrevolti00elli/ The pragmatic revolt in politics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolinipopecom1501mcca/ Mussolini and the Pope]
* [https://archive.org/details/popeormussolini0000hear/ Pope or Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss00sarf/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 6th Printing, UK Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss0000mang/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 5th Printing, US Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/isantichristatha0000smit/ Is the Antichrist at hand? What of Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalcauses00trevuoft/ The historical causes of the present state of affairs in Italy]
* [[Index:L. W. - Fascism, Its History and Significance (1924).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/makingfasciststa0000herb/ Making the Fascist State]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-need-for-fascism-in-great-britain The Need for Fascism in Great Britain]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistdictators0001gaet/ The Fascist Dictatorship in Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolininewital0000alex/ Mussolini and the New Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolini0000unse/ Mussolini as Revealed in His Political Speeches]
* [[Index:Behold Our New Empire Mussolini (IA BeholdOurNewEmpireMussolini).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/1928UniversalAspectsOfFascism/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 1st Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.5084/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/italytoday0000foxf/ Italy To-day]
* [https://archive.org/details/thetheoryofminda00gentuoft/ The Theory of Mind as a Pure Act]
* [https://archive.org/details/blackmagic00kenn/ Black Magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/pedigreeoffascis0000alin/ The Pedigree of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/strenuousitalyso00gayh/ Strenuous Italy]
* [[Index:Sociology for the South - or, The failure of free society (IA sociologyforsout00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cannibals all! or, Slaves without masters (IA cannibalsallorsl00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Negro-Mania- Being an Examination of the Falsely Assumed Equality of the Various Races of Men (IA DKC0100).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary01tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 1: Revolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary02tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 2: The Commune]
* [[Index:Meccania, the super-state (IA meccaniasupersta00greg).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/pangermanleague10000wert/ The Pan-German League]
* [[Index:The pan-Germanic doctrine; being a study of German political aims and aspirations (IA pangermanicdoctr00harrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pan-germanism, its plans for German expansion in the world (IA pangermanismitsp00andlrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Antisemitism, its history and causes (IA antisemitismitsh00lazaiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thenegroabeastorintheimageofgod/ &quot;The Negro A Beast&quot;, Or &quot;In The Image Of God&quot;]
* [https://archive.org/details/americannegrodependentdefectivedelinquent/ The American Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negroamenacetoamericancivilization/ The Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrosouthernersproblem/ The Negro: The Southernor's Problem]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrocriminality_202001/ Negro Criminality]
* [https://archive.org/details/sexualcrimesamongsouthernnegroes/ Sexual Crimes among the Southern Negroes]
* [https://archive.org/details/whitesupremacyandnegrosubordination/ White Supremacy and Negro Subordination]
* [https://archive.org/details/slaveryasitrela00priegoog/ Slavery, as it Relates to the Negro]
* [[Index:Bible Defence of Slavery.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/TheRiddleOfTheJewsSuccess/ The Riddle of the Jews Success]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.38804/ Racial Elements Of European History]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/italyundermussol0000unse/ Italy under Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeordeathstory00beal/ Rome or Death! The Story of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/odon-por.-fascism-1923_202107/ Fascism, Odon Por]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistmovementi00gorguoft/ The Fascist Movement in Italian Life]
* [[Index:My Autobiography (1928) - by Benito Mussolini.pdf]]
* [[Index:The ravings of a renegade ; being the War essays of Houston Stewart Chamberlain (IA ravingsofrenegad00chamrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin01cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin02cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 2
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 2).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Decline of the West.pdf]], combined Volume, 1932 edition
* [[Index:The inequality of human races (1915).djvu]]
* [[Index:The moral and intellectual diversity of races - with particular reference to their respective influence in the civil and political history of mankind (IA bub gb uRvNQHqLj0kC).pdf]]
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA passingofgreatra01gran).pdf]], 4th Edition
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA cu31924029874330).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ku Klux Klan (H.H. Wilson Reference Shelf) (IA kukluxklan00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Klan unmasked, (IA klanunmasked00simm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Catalogue of Official Robes and Banners - Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Incorporated, Atlanta, Georgia (1925) - Catalogueofoffic00kukl.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Ku Klux klan- a study of the American mind (IA kukluxklanastudy00meck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Papers read at the meeting of Grand dragons, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan at their first- annual meet (IA papersreadatmeet01kukl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/authentichistor00davi/ Authentic history, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924083530117/ The Ku Klux Klan or Invisible Empire]

==== Ancient Rome/Byzantine Studies/Latin/Classics ====
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028520728/ Syria as a Roman Province]
* [https://archive.org/details/spainunderromane00bouc/ Spain under the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The Gracchi, Marius, and Sulla (IA cu31924074596879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Seven Roman statesmen of the later republic- The Gracchi. Sulla. Crassus. Cato. Pompey. Caesar (IA sevenromanstates00oman).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romaneducationfr0000gwyn_n9h9/ Roman education from Cicero to Quintilian]
* [[Index:Manual of classical literature (IA manualofclassica00eschrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofhistoryo00mattuoft/ A manual of the history of Greek and Roman literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofclassica00morr/ A Manual of Classical Literature]
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212877).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 1
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212885).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 2
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212893).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 3
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern0001unse/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern00sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern03sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 3]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay01bussiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay02bussiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempirer0000foor/ The Byzantine Empire]
* [[Index:The history of Greece - from its conquest by the crusaders to its conquest by the Turks, and of the empire of Trebizond ; 1204-1461 (IA historyofgreecef00finl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil01clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil02clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/churcheasternemp00toze/ The Church and the Eastern Empire]
* [[Index:Roman society in the last century of the Western empire (IA cu31924028321333).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romansocietyinla0000dill/ roman society in the last century of the western empire, 2nd edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [[Index:Some phases of the problem of provincial administration under the Roman republic (IA somephasesofprob00mars).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/phasescorruptio01jollgoog/ Phases of corruption in Roman administration in the last half-century of the Roman republic]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanpoliticalin0000homo_f4f9/ Roman political institutions from city to state]
* [[Index:A history of Rome to 565 A. D. (IA cu31924028286726).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrometo500boak_0/ A history of Rome to 565 A.D., 2nd Edition, 1929]
* [[Index:A general history of Rome from the foundation of the city to the fall of Augustulus, B.C. 753-A.D. 476 (IA cu31924031259587).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rome- from the fall of the western empire (IA romefromfallofwe00trev).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studyofcognomina00deanuoft/ A study of the cognomina of soldiers in the Roman legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlegions0000park_q5m2/ The Roman Legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/sourcebookofroma0000munr/ A source book of Roman history]
* [[Index:Was the Roman army provided with medical officers? (electronic resource) (IA b21464625).pdf]]
* [[Index:Infamia- its place in Roman public and private law (IA cu31924021131531).pdf]]
* [[Index:The reorganization of Spain by Augustus (IA reorganization00vannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/publiclibrariesl00boyduoft/ Public Libraries and Literary Culture in Ancient Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrome00leigiala/ A History of Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/greeceunderroman00finluoft/ Greece under the Romans]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineportrai00dieh/ Byzantine Portraits]
* [https://archive.org/details/expressesofconta0000unse/ The Empresses of Constantinople]
* [[Index:Roman public life (IA romanpubliclife00greeiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Arab conquest of Egypt and the last thirty years of the Roman dominion (IA arabconquestofeg00butl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [https://archive.org/details/greekromanfolklo0000hall_x8n7/ Greek and Roman Folklore]
* [[Index:Public lands and agrarian laws of the Roman republic- (IA publiclandsagrar00step).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sixromanlaws00harduoft/ Six Roman Laws]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two studies in later Roman and Byzantine administration]
* [https://archive.org/details/freshlightonroma0000jone/ Fresh Light on Roman Bureaucracy]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianityroma0000addi/ Christianity and the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:Christianity and the Roman government (IA christianityroma00hardrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early Christians in Rome (1911).djvu]]
* [[Index:Historical revelations of the relation existing between Christianity and paganism since the disintegration of the Roman Empire (IA historicalrevela00juli).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christians in Rome (IA christiansinrome00mobe).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman ; her position and influence in ancient Greece and Rome, and among the early Christians .. (IA womanherposition00donarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the Romans; (IA storyromans00guergoog).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman Africa; an outline of the history of the Roman occupation of North Africa, based chiefly upon inscriptions and monumental remains in that country (IA cu31924028722134).pdf]]
* [[Index:An outline of Greek and Roman history, the result of class room work (IA outlineofgreekro00chad).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-illustrated-history-of-rome-and-the-roman-empire-1877/ The Illustrated History of Rome And The Roman Empire]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianitynati00wooduoft/ Christianity and Nationalism in the Later Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The conversion of the Roman empire (IA conversionofrom00meri).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintohi00ihneuoft/ Researches into the history of the Roman constitution]
* [[Index:Traces of Greek philosophy and Roman law in the New Testament (IA cu31924029302423).pdf]]
* [[Index:UPenn-Translations and Reprints-vol6.djvu]]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161302).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161344).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161310).pdf]], Volume 3
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161419).pdf]], Volume 4 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr04greg/ Volume 4 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161351).pdf]], Volume 5 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr05greg/ Volume 5 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161369).pdf]], Volume 6 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityo06greguoft/ Volume 6 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161377).pdf]], Volume 7 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr07greg/ Volume 7 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161385).pdf]], Volume 8 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr08greg/ Volume 8 Part 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienttownplan00have/ Ancient Town-planning]
* [[Index:The Ancient City- A Study on the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome.djvu]]
* [[Index:Physical science in the time of Nero; being a translation of the Quaestiones naturales of Seneca (IA physicalsciencei00seneiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman and the Teuton; a series of lectures delivered before the University of Cambridge (IA romanteutonserie01king).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineartarch00dalt/ Byzantine Art and Archaeology]
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria01gray).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria02gray).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand01denniala).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand02denniala).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Etruria-Celtica- Etruscan Literature and Antiquities Investigated, in Two Volumes, Vol. I (IA dli.granth.53608).pdf]], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/etruriacelticaet02beth/ Etruria-Celtica] Volume 2
* [https://archive.org/details/etruscanresearch00tayl/ Etruscan Researches]
* [[Index:Etruscan inscriptions (IA etruscaninscript00crawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Etruscan Bologna- a study (IA etruscanbolognas00burtiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman imperialism (IA romanimperialism00fran).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tacitus and Other Roman Studies.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/invasionofeurope0000jbbu/ the invasion of europe by the barbarians]
* [[Index:A constitutional and political history of Rome, from the earliest times to the reign of Domitian (IA cu31924030431435).pdf]]
* [[Index:The development of the Roman constitution (IA developmentofrom00tighrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Coins of the Romans relating to Britain, described and illustrated (IA coinsofromansrel00aker).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the ancient Britons, from the earliest period to the invasion of the Saxons (IA historyofancient00gile).pdf]]
* [[Index:The invasion of Britain by Julius Caesar (IA invasionofbritai00lewi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman era in Britain (IA romanerainbritai00wardiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Romanization of Roman Britain (IA romanizationofro00haverich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman roads in Britain (IA romanroadsinbrit00codr).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Celt, the Roman, and the Saxon; (IA celtromansaxon00wrig).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Britain in the light of modern archaeological discoveries (IA ancientbritainin00delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec01thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec02thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofpictsor00abbauoft/ A History of the Picts or Romano-British Wall]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanfrontierpos0000jame/ A Roman frontier post and its people]
* [[Index:Illustrations of Roman London (IA illustrationsofr00smitrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/londiniumarchite0000wrle/ Londinium Architecture and the Crafts]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourromanhighways00forbuoft/ Our Roman Highways]
* [[Index:History of Romulus (IA historyofromulusabbott).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00don).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00donarich).pdf]], 2nd edition.
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00dona).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/primitiveitalybe0000homo/ Primitive Italy and the beginnings of Roman imperialism]
* [https://archive.org/details/stonebronzeagesi00peetuoft/ The stone and bronze ages in Italy and Sicily]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempire00foor/ The Byzantine Empire (Edward Foord)]
* [[Index:The Byzantine Empire (IA byzantineempire00omanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on Byzantine music (IA cu31924022269744).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine the Great; the reorganisation of the empire and the triumph of the church (IA constantinegreat00firt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine, the last emperor of the Greeks; or, The conquest of Constantinople by the Turks (A.D. 1453) after the latest historical researches; (IA constantinelaste00mijarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine history in the early Middle Ages; the Rede lecture, delivered in the Senate House, Cambridge, June 12, 1900 (IA cu31924005774702).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine architecture; illustrated by examples of edifices erected in the East during the earliest ages of Christianity, with historical &amp; archaeological descriptions (IA gri 33125009314648).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman emperor worship (IA cu31924028269490).pdf]]
* [[Index:The last Cæsars of Byzantium (IA lastcsarsofbyzan00todi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Latins in the Levant - a history of Frankish Greece, 1204-1566 (IA latinsinlevanthi00mill 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Fall of Constantinople.djvu]]
* [[Index:Destruction of the Greek Empire.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Romane historie (IA romanehistorie00livy).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman assemblies from their origin to the end of the republic (IA cu31924030431534).pdf]]
* [[Index:The imperial civil service of Rome (IA imperialcivilser00matt).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Greek constitutional history (IA handbookofgreekc00gree).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeregalrepubli00striuoft/ Rome, Regal and Republican]
* [https://archive.org/details/dayinoldromepic00davi/ A Day in Old Rome]
* [[Index:The general, civil and military administration of Noricum and Raetia (IA generalcivilmili00peakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Life and letters in Roman Africa microform (IA lifelettersinrom00boucrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Romae antiquae notitia, or, The antiquities of Rome - in two parts ... - with copper cuts of the principal buildings, etc. - to which are prefix'd two essays (IA romaeantiquaenot00kenn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A manual of Greek literature - from the earliest authentic periods to the close of the Byzantine era (IA manualgreek00anthrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studentscompanio00midd/ The student's companion to Latin authors]
* [[Index:Loeb Classical Library, L001 (1919).djvu]]
* A History of the Republic of Rome {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofrepubli00bake/}}
* [[Index:Philological museum (IA cu31924104094903).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:Philological Museum v2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 1, 1854.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 2, 1855.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 3, 1857.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 4, 1859.djvu]]
* [[Index:Harper's dictionary of classical literature and antiquities (IA cu31924027019482).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities (1842, dictionaryofgree00smit 5).djvu]]
* [[Index:The auxilia of the Roman Imperial Army (IA auxiliaofromanim00cheerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1827) Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Topography and Monuments of Ancient Rome (1st Ed., Plattner, 1904, topographymonume0000plat v8a2).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine Constantinople - the walls of the city and adjoining historical sites (IA byzantineconstan00vanm).pdf]]
* A Companion To Latin Studies {{esl|https://archive.org/details/companiontolatin00sand/}}
* [[Index:A handbook of Rome and the Campagna (IA handbookofromeca00john 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Stories of ancient Rome (IA storiesofancient00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Rome (IA earlyrome00ihne).pdf]]
* [[Index:Men, events, lawyers, politics and politicians of early Rome (IA meneventslawyers00wage).pdf]]
* [[Index:State and family in early Rome (IA statefamilyinear00launiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The seven kings of the Seven Hills (IA sevenkingsofseve00lain).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [[Index:The history of the kings of Rome. With a prefatory dissertation on its sources and evidence (IA historyofkingsof00dyerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The kings of Rome (IA kingsofrome00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Regal Rome, an Introduction to Roman History (1852, Newman, London, regalromeintrodu00newmuoft).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [https://archive.org/details/primitivefortif00parkgoog/ The primitive fortifications of the city of Rome, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/handbookofromanl0000radi/ handbook of roman law]
* [[Index:The origin and history of contract in Roman law down to the end of the republican period - being the Yorke prize essay for the year 1893 (IA cu31924021131366).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-new-pandect-of-roman-c_ayliffe-john_1734/ A new pandect of Roman civil law]
* [[Index:Preliminary Lecture to the Course of Lectures on the Institutions of Justinian (Wilde, 1794, bim eighteenth-century preliminary-lecture-to-t wilde-john 1794).pdf]]
* An introduction to the study of Justinian's digest {{esl|https://archive.org/details/introductiontost00roby/}}
* [[Index:The ecclesiastical edicts of the Theodosian code (IA ecclesiasticaled00boydrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/legacyofrome00bail/ The Legacy of Rome]
* [[Index:Nomos Rhodon nautikos. The Rhodian sea-law (IA nomosrhodonnauti00byzarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Roman Law, The Regal Period (Clark, 1872, earlyromanlawreg00claruoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Roman Britain (Collingwood, First Ed., 1924, b29827590).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to the private law of Rome (IA historicalintrod00muiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Gaii institutionum iuris civilis commentarii quattuor, or, Elements of Roman law by Gaius (Poste, Third Edition, 1890, gaiiinstitution00gaiu).djvu]]
* [[Index:A history and description of Roman political institutions (IA historyanddescri00abbo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Britannia Romana, or, The Roman Antiquities of Britain in Three Books (britanniaromanao00hors, John Horsley, 1732).djvu]]
* [[Index:The municipalites of the Roman empire (IA municipalitesofr00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Selected Letters of Cicero (Abbott, 1897, selectedletterso0000cice u2i6).pdf]]
* [[Index:Society and politics in ancient Rome; essays and sketches (IA cu31924087980326).pdf]]
* [[Index:The common people of ancient Rome- studies of Roman life and literature (IA cu31924028267841).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman system of provincial administration to the accession of Constantine the Great, being the Arnold prize essay for 1879 (IA romansystemofpro00arnoiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two Studies in Later Roman and Byzantine Administration]
* [[Index:The imperial administrative system in the ninth century, with a revised text of Kletorologion of Philotheos (IA imperialadminist00buryrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal Administration in the Roman Empire (1926, Abbot and Johnson, municipaladminis00abbo).pdf]]

==== Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics ====
* [[Index:Pseudodoxia epidemica, or, Enquiries into very many received tenents, and commonly presumed truths (IA b30335760).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cycling (IA cyclingc00alberich).pdf]], Cycling, Badminton Library, 5th Edition
* [[Index:The bicycle- its care and repair (IA bicycleitscarere00vonc).pdf]]
* [[Index:https://archive.org/details/commonsenseofbic00ward/]], Bicycling for ladies
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:Origin of Modern Calculating Machines.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A general history of mathematics from the earliest times to the middle of the eighteenth century (IA generalhistoryof00bossrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The teaching and history of mathematics in the United States (IA teachinghistoryo00cajorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Higher mathematics - a textbook for classical and engineering colleges (IA highermathematic00merrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cornell University Library digitization (IA cu31924001078777).pdf]], Mathematical Dictionary and Cyclopedia of Mathematical Science
* [https://archive.org/details/principlesofmech00hertuoft/ The Principles of Mechanics]
* [[Index:Collected papers in physics and engineering (IA collectedpapersi00thomrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Theory of functions of a complex variable (IA functcomplexvari00forsrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the elements of the differential and integral calculus (IA introductiontost00harnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on elementary trigonometry (IA treatiseonelemen00lockrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Elementary trigonometry (IA elementarytrigon00paterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Earliest arithmetics in English (IA earliestarithmet00alexrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to mathematical literature (IA cu31924064123536).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/calculus0000henr/ Calculus]
* [https://archive.org/details/electiccircuitth0000john Electric Circuit Theory and the Operational Calculus]
* [[Index:Graphical and mechanical computation (IA cu31924004667550).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on computation; an account of the chief methods for contracting and abbreviating arithmetical calculations (IA treatiseoncomput00langiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Daedalus; or, Science and the Future (1924, E.P. Dutton &amp; Company).pdf]]
* [[Index:Science (journal) Volume 1 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 1 (1837).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 2 (1841).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 3 (1843).djvu]]
* [[Index:Getty Research Institute (IA economiccottageb00dwye).pdf]], The Economic Cottage Builder
* [[Index:Elements of angling; a book for beginners (IA elementsofanglin00sherrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A book on angling; being a complete treatise on the art of angling in every branch (IA bookonanglingbei00franrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fishcraft, a treatise on fresh water fish and fishing (IA fishcrafttreatis00pond).pdf]]
* [[Index:The potter's craft - a practical guide for the studio and workshop (IA potterscraftprac00binn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of camping and woodcraft - a guidebook for those who travel in the wilderness (IA bookofcampingwoo00keph).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp craft, modern practice and equipment (IA campcraftmodernp00millrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp kits and camp life (IA campkitscamplife00hankiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft (IA bookofwoodcraft00seto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft and Indian lore (IA bookofwoodcrafti02seto).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Harper's camping and scouting; an outdoor guide for American boys; (IA harperscampingsc00grinrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Shelters, shacks, and shanties (IA sheltersshackssh01bear).pdf]]
* [[Index:The electric telegraph - its history and progress.. (IA electrictelegrap00highrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lockrich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1883
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lock).pdf]], 3rd Edition, 1890
* [[Index:Davis's manual of magnetism - including galvanism, magnetism, electro-magnetism, electro-dynamics, magneto-electricity, and thermo-electricity (IA davissmanualofma00davi).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical sketch of the electric telegraph including its rise and progress in the United States (IA historicalsketch00jonerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity and galvanism; with cases, shewing their effects in the cure of diseases (IA b22042684).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity - in six sections ... (IA introductiontoel1770ferg).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... - illustrated with copper plates (IA b30501350).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... (IA introductiontoel00ferg).pdf]], 3rd Edition]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dynamoelectricit00pres/ Dynamo-electricity]
* [https://archive.org/details/radioactivit00ruth/ Radio-activity]
* [https://archive.org/details/electronnuclearp0000jbar/ Electrons and Nuclear Physics]
* [https://archive.org/details/ionselectronsion00crowuoft/ Ions, Electrons, and Ionizing Radiations]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29927997/ Atoms and Rays]
* [[Index:Atomic theories (IA atomictheories00loririch).pdf]]
* [[Index:X-ray manual - U.S. Army (IA xraymanualusarmy00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl01amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl02amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl03amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl04amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:The study of the atom - or, The foundation of chemistry (IA studyofatomorfou00venarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The method of fluxions and infinite series.djvu]]
* [[Index:Practical observations on the generation of statical electricity by the electrical machine (IA 101208559.nlm.nih.gov).pdf]]
* [[Index:American Journal of Mathematics Vol. 2 (1879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of radio communication (IA principlesofradi00morerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electrical machine design; the design and specification of direct and alternating current machinery .. (IA electricalmachin00grayrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Incandescent wiring hand-book, (IA incandescentwiri00badt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bell System Technical Journal, Volume 1, 1922.pdf]]
* [[Index:Science Advances, Volume 8, Issue 44, Recursive sequence generation in crows (sciadv.abq3356).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Investigation of the Laws of Thought (1854, Boole, investigationofl00boolrich).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anatomy of the Human Body (1918).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b30322704/ An Institution Trigonometricall, 1635]
* [https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-rbsc_elements-geometrie-evclide-megara_folioQA31E867131570-21289/ Euclid's Geometrie, 1570]
* [[Index:Mr. Wingate's Arithmetick Containing a Plain and Familiar Method, for Attaining the Knowledge and Practice of Common Arithmetick (7th Edition, Edmund Wingate, 1678, b30342211).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mathematical Recreations or, a Collection of many Problems Extracted out of the Ancient and Modern Philosophers (Jean Leurechon, 1674, b30325882).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lux Mercatoria - Bridges - 1661.djvu]]
* [[Index:First book of mathematics, being an easy and practical introduction to the study; for self-instruction and use in schools (IA firstbookofmathe00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian Basketry.djvu]]
* [[Index:Machinery's Handbook, (6th Edition, 1924, machineryshandbo00indu).pdf]]
* [[Index:De re metallica (1912).djvu]]

=====Nature, Zoology, Entomology, Myrmecology, and other Insects and Animals=====
* [[Index:Chapters on ants (IA chaptersonants00trearich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Observations on the biology of the imported fire ant (IA observationsonbi49inse).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/collectedpaperso00whee/ Collected Papers on Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/biologicalembryo00tanq_0/ Biological and embryological studies on Formicidae]
* [[Index:Comparative studies in the psychology of ants and of higher animals (IA comparativestudi00wasmiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/learningorientat00schn/ Learning and Orientation in Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.460830/ Ants, by Julian Huxley...need better scan]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonsofdust0000will/ Demons of the Dust: A Study in Insect Behavior]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallifeamongi00whee/ Social Life Among the Insects]
* [[Index:Life in an ant hill, (IA lifeinanthill00writ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Insect architecture (IA b22026885).pdf]], 1830, 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/antpeople0000ewer/ The Ant People]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_P9-CSD-957/ Busy: The Life of Ant], novel
* [[Index:Ants and the children of the garden, relating the habits of the black harvester ant, and giving considerable information about ants in general (IA antsthechildreno00simkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Field book of insects (IA fieldbookofins00lutz).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Field book of insects, with special reference to those of northeastern United States, aiming to answer common questions (IA fieldbookofinsec00lutz).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ants and their ways, with illustrations, and an appendix giving a complete list of genera and species of the British ants (IA antstheirwayswit00whit).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/naturescraftsmen00mcco/ Nature's Craftsmen]
* [[Index:Ant communities and how they are governed; a study in natural civics (IA antcommunitiesho00mcco).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ants, Wheeler (1910).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ants and some other insects; an inquiry into the psychic powers of these animals (IA antssomeotherins00fore).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA treatiseofbuggss00sout).pdf]], A treatise of buggs
* [[Index:Insect transformations (IA b22027191).pdf]]
* [[Index:Institutions of entomology- being a translation of Linnaeus's Ordines et genera insectorum; or, Systematic arrangement of insects (IA CUbiodiversity1115923).pdf]]
* [[Index:The elements of insect anatomy; an outline for the use of students in the entomological laboratories of Cornell University and Leland Stanford Junior University (IA elementsofinsect00comsto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The entomologist's text book - an introduction to the natural history, structure, physiology and classification of insects, including the Crustacea and Arachnida (IA entomologiststex00westw).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of ants (IA b29289981).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of insects (IA b28755741).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Account of English Ants (Gould, 1747, IA accountofenglish00goul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia (IA journalofacademy01acaduoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aristotle - History of Animals, 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:The play of animals (IA playofanimals00groouoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Animals at work and play - their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornuoft).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Animals at work and play, their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/animalsatworkpla00corn/ Animals at Work and Play, 3rd Edition]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb01aalba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb02alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb03alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb04alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb05alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb06alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb07alba).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology01baltuoft/ Psychobiology V1]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology02baltuoft/ Psychobiology V2]
* [[Index:Ants, bees, and wasps. A record of observations on the habits of the social Hymenoptera (IA antsbeeswaspsrec00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The bee and white ants, their manners and habits - with illustrations of animal instinct and intelligence - from &quot;The museum of science and art&quot; ... (IA beewhiteantsthei00lardrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofwhiteant00maet/ The Life of the White Ant], plagiarized from [[The Soul of the White Ant]] by [[Author:Eugène Nielen Marais|Eugène Nielen Marais]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofant0000maet/ The Life of the Ant]
* [[Index:Mind in animals (IA mindinanimals00bchniala).pdf]]
* [[Index:British ants, their life-history and classification (IA britishantstheir00donirich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1915
* [https://archive.org/details/britishants0000jkdo/ British Ants, 2nd Edition, 1927]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002009241/ The Guests of British Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/hymenopteraacule00saun/ The Hymenoptera Aculeata of the British Islands]
* [[Index:Elementary lessons in zoölogy - a guide in studying animal life and structure in field and laboratory (IA elementarylesso00need).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some common mushrooms and how to know them (IA somecommonmushr143char).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fungihowtoknowth00swan/ Fungi and How to Know Them]
* [https://archive.org/details/britishsocialwas00ormeuoft/ British Social Wasps]

====Fantasy, Fiction, Poetry, Tolkien, Etc.====
* [[Index:Tales of terror, (IA talesofterror00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:The tale of terror - a study of the Gothic romance (IA taleofterrorstud00birk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/greatshortstorie0000unse_o6s0/ Great Short Stories of Detection, Mystery, and Horror]
* [[Index:The story of Sigurd the Volsung and the fall of the Niblungs (IA storyofsigurdvol00morriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Translation of the Anglo-Saxon Poem of Beowulf (Kemble 1837).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Worm Ouroboros - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tolkien - A middle English Vocabulary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Fourteenth_Century_Verse_and_Prose_-_Sisam_-_1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Review of English Studies Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mabinogion; (IA mabinogion00schrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The gods of Pegana (IA godsofpegana00duns).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 1) - (IA cu31924026852917).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 2) - (IA cu31924030974038).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early English romances in verse- (IA earlyenglishroma00rickrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Middle English reader - edited, with grammatical introduction notes, and glossary (IA middleenglishrea00emerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox; (IA mostdelectablehi00jacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox, and of his son Reynardine - a revised version of an old romance (IA mostdelectablehi00londiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reynard the Fox, a poem in twelve cantos (IA reynardfoxpoemin00hollrich).pdf]]

====Games, Tabletop, Wargame, Military, RPG, Videogame, etc.====
* [[Index:Ship and gun drills, United States navy, 1905 (IA shipgundrillsuni00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare - some general principles, with other essays (IA navaladministrat00maha).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare (IA navaladministrat01maha).pdf]], 1918 reprint
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/yashkamylifeaspe00bochuoft/ Yashka, my life as peasant, exile and soldier]
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgzofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Military and naval America (IA militaryandnaval00kerriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee navy (IA yankeenavy00mass).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee mining squadron; or, Laying the North sea mine barrage (IA yankeeminingsqua00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:779th Radar Squadron (ADC) Opheim AFS Montana New Personnel Brochure 1973.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancientmodernshi00holmuoft/ Ancient and Modern Ships: Part I]
* [https://archive.org/details/sailingshipsstor00chatuoft/ Sailing ships : the story of their development from earliest times to the present day]
* [[Index:The British navy (IA cu31924030756146).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ships of the Royal Navy (IA shipsofroyalnavy00park).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British Navy from within (IA britishnavyfromw00exrorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British navy in battle (IA britishnavyinbat00poll).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/popularhistoryof00kinguoft/ A Popular history of the British Navy from the earliest times to the present]
* [[Index:The Royal Navy (IA cu31924028018574).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army in war (IA germanarmyinwar00atterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook on German army identification (IA handbookongerman02unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The war book of the German general staff; being &quot;the usages of war on land&quot; issued by the great general staff of the German army; (IA warbookofgermang00newyiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army. Department of military art, the Army service schools (IA germanarmydepart00bjorrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on field fortifications (IA notesonfieldfort00armyrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military organization of the United States (IA militaryorganiza00comm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Army and Navy Uniforms and Insignia (Williams, 1918, armynavyuniforms00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book; a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA militarynavalrec00bunkrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book, a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA recognitionmilitary00bunkrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Orders, decorations and insignia, military and civil; with the history and romance of their origin and a full description of each (IA ordersdecoration00wyllrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military Organization and Administration (Collins, 1918, militaryorganiza00colluoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Organization; how armies are formed for war (IA organizationhowa00fostiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Company administration - preparation, disposition, and filing of company records, reports, and returns (IA c00ompanyadministrunitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Dungeons &amp; Dragons System Reference Document.pdf]]
* [[Index:John Banks Wilson - Maneuver and Firepower (1998).djvu]]
* [[Index:FM-34-45-Tactics-Techniques-and-Procedures-for-Electronic-Attack.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fm100-2-3 - The Soviet Army, Troops, Organization, and Equipment.pdf]]
* [[Index:United States Army Field Manual 3-13 Information Operations.djvu]]

====Asia====
* [https://archive.org/details/lettersfromfarea00eliouoft/ Letters from the Far East]
* [[Index:Eastern Asia, a history, being the second edition of A brief history of eastern Asia, entirely rewritten (IA easternasiahisto00hannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofchinabe0000unse/ A History of China]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienthistoryof00hirtuoft/ The ancient history of China to the end of the Chóu dynasty]
* [[Index:A little history of China, and a Chinese story (IA littlehistoryofc00brebiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of China; (IA historyofchina00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:The three religions of China; lectures delivered at Oxford (IA cu31924023204062).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tibet, Tartary, and Mongolia ; their social and political condition, and the religion of Boodh, as there existing (IA tibettartarymong00prin).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of tea - a Japanese harmony of art culture and the simple life (IA bookofteajapanes00okakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, ancient and modern - with description of manners and customs, language and geography (IA cu31924023564549).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, Ancient and Modern; with Description of Manners and Customs, Language and Geography WDL2374.pdf]], Cheaper Edition, 1891.
* [https://archive.org/details/anglicanchurchin00corf/ The Anglican Church in Corea]
* [[Index:Corea, the hermit nation. I. Ancient and mediaeval history. II. Political and social Corea. III. Modern and recent history (IA coreahermitnatio00grif).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/coreawithoutwith00grif_0/ Corea, Without and Within]
* [[Index:Who is God in China.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924023233947/ The early institutional life of Japan]
* [[Index:The development of religion in Japan (IA developmentofrel00knoxrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The religions of Japan - from the dawn of history to the era of Méiji - by William Elliott Griffis (IA religionsofjapan00grifrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/japanaccountgeog00macfuoft/ Japan]
* [https://archive.org/details/ost-art-japaneseart00hartuoft/ Japanese Art]
* [[Index:Old and new Japan (IA oldnewjapan00hollrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan as it was and is. (IA japanasitwasis00hild 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire- its physical, political, and social condition and history; with details of the late American and British expeditions (IA japaneseempireit01kemi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire and its economic conditions (IA japaneseempireit00daut).pdf]]
* [[Index:The present state of the medical administration of the Japanese empire (IA presentstateofme00japaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan - its architecture, art, and art manufactures (IA japanitsarchitec00dres 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:China, Japan and Korea (IA chinajapankorea00blan).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korea (IA korea00coul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Quaint Korea (IA quaintkorea00milnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korean folk tales- imps, ghosts and fairies (IA koreanfolktalesi00impaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 2 (IA historyofjapangi02kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 1 (IA historyofjapangi01kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:A dissertation on the theology of the Chinese, - with a view to the elucidation of the most appropriate term for expressing the Diety in the Chinese language. (IA dissertationonth00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Abstract of four lectures on Buddhist literature in China - delivered at University college, London (IA cu31924023158607).pdf]]
* [[Index:Index:The Chinese Classics - Legge - 2nd ed - 1893 - Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Synoptical studies in the Chinese character (1874).djvu]]
* [[Index:Elementary Chinese - San Tzu Ching (1900).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Anglo-Chinese vocabulary of the Ningpo dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Easy sentences in the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Chinese-English Dictionary Hakka-dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:Nestorian Monument - Carus.djvu]]
* [[Index:An alphabetical index to the Chinese encyclopaedia.pdf]]
* [[Index:Sun Tzu on The art of war.djvu]]
* [[Index:A Chinese Biographical Dictionary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pekinese Rhymes (G. Vitale, 1896).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Life in the Tibetan Foothills.djvu]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA dictionaryofhokk00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Excellent ancient adages, together with notes on the writings of Chinese romanized in the Hokkien dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Essays on the Chinese Language (1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA sh00orthistoryofchboulrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA shorthistoryofch00boulrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:A history of China from the earliest days down to the present (IA cu31924091024392).pdf]]
* [[Index:The unveiled East (IA unveiledeast00mcke).pdf]]
* [[Index:Letters from the Far East (IA lettersfromfarea00evan).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East (IA chinafareast00blak).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East, 1889-99 - contribution toward a bibliography (IA cu31924023967734).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/gpl_1856272/ The Morals of Confucius, 1691]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA chinesenovelstra00davirich).pdf|Chinese novels, translated from the originals]]
* [[Index:Notes on Chinese literature (IA notesonchineseli00wyli).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chunsilinghistor00londiala/ Chun and Si-Ling]
* [[Index:The Far East (IA fareast00litt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Provinces of China, together with a history of the first year of H.I.M. Hsuan Tung, and an account of the government of China .. (IA provincesofchina00bruciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Ceremonial Usages of the Chinese, B. C. 1121- Being an Abridgement of the Chow Le Classic (IA ceremonialusage00hugoog).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/civilizationofch00gileiala/ The Civilization of China]
* [[Index:A general view of Chinese civilization and of the relations of the West with China (IA generalviewofchi00laffrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sidelights on Chinese Life (sidelightsonchin00macg, 1907, MacGowan).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Chinese literature - Giles.djvu]]
* [[Index:Notable women of modern China (IA notablewomenofmo00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of women in Japan (IA educationofwomen00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of girls in China (IA educationofgirls00lewi).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinesetheireduc00martiala/ The Chinese: their education, philosophy, and letters]
* [[Index:The lore of Cathay - or, The intellect of China (IA loreofcathayorin00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:China's only hope - an appeal (IA chinasonlyhopeap00zhan).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Empire. A General &amp; Missionary Survey.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/educationofwomen00burtuoft/ The Education of Women in China]
* [[Index:Modern education in China (IA moderneducationi00tang).pdf]]
* [[Index:The educational system of China as recently reconstructed (IA educationalsyste00king).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese system of public education (IA chinesesystemop00kuop).pdf]]
* [[Index:Chinese education from the western viewpoint (IA chineseeducation00yens).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sihialanguage27lauf/ The Si-hia Language]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinahistoryofla01grayuoft/ China: a History of the Laws, Manners and Customs of the People, Volume 1]
* [[Index:China - a history of the laws, manners and customs of the people (IA chinahistoryofla02grayuoft).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:On &amp; off duty in Annam (IA onoffdutyinannam00vassiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storieslegendsof00chiv/ Stories and Legends of Annam]
* [[Index:Vietnamese Song Book (U.S. Army Language School, 1961).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indo-China and its primitive people (IA indochinaitsprim00baud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The persecutions of Annam; a history of Christianity in Cochin China and Tonking (IA persecutionsofan00shoriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The French in Tonkin and South China (IA frenchintonkinso00cunn).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tonkin, or, France in the Far East (IA cu31924023040581).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tungking (IA cu31924088799386).pdf]]
* [[Index:France and Tongking; a narrative of the campaign of 1884 and the occupation of Further India (IA francetongkingna01scot 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warintongkingwh00staugoog/ The War in Tong-king]
* [[Index:The political ideas of modern Japan (IA politicalideasof00kawarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies in Vietnamese (Annamese) grammar (Emeneau).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Corean government- constitutional changes, July 1894 to October 1895. With an appendix on subsequent enactments to 30th June 1896 (IA cu31924023425063).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of that great and renowned monarchy of China. Wherein all the particular provinces are accurately described- as also the dispositions, manners, learning, lawes, militia (IA historyofthatgre00seme).pdf]]
* [[Index:Code of Gentoo Laws (1776, codeofgentoolaws00halh, Halhed).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ancient China, The Shoo King or the Historical Classic (Ancientchinashoo00confuoft, Medhurst, 1846).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Moral Maxims - Davis - 1823.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 1864-65.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Repository - Volume 01.djvu]]
* [[Index:An Ainu-English-Japanese dictionary (including a grammar of the Ainu language).djvu]]
* [[Index:How Many Independent Rice Vocabularies in Asia?.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Grammar of the Chinese Language (grammarofchinese00morr 1, Morrison, 1815).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee; Being, The Fundamental Laws, and a Selections from the Supplementary Statutes, of the Penal Code of China.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese miscellany; consisting of original extracts from Chinese authors, in the native character; with translations and philological remarks (IA b22009450).pdf]]
* [[Index:Translations from the Original Chinese, with Notes (translationsfrom00morruoft, 1815).djvu]]

====Manuscripts====
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero A x (art. 3).pdf]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero D IV.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A II.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A VII.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Vitellius A XV.djvu]]

==== North Carolina ====
* [https://archive.org/details/communityservice00nort_0/ Community Service Week in North Carolina]
* [[Index:Citizens' reference book - a text and reference book for pupils and teachers in community schools for adult beginners (IA citizensreferenc1922morr).pdf]]
* [[Index:Annual report of North Carolina Council of Defense (serial) (IA annualreportofno11918nort).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rules and regulations of Mecklenburg County Home Guard (IA rulesregulations00north).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of Defense - plan of organization (IA northcarolinacounort).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of defense historical committee (IA northcarolinacou00no).pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina, a study in English colonial government (IA northcarolinas00rape).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina (IA cu31924028788664).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina .. (IA reconstructionin00hami).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Official history of the 120th Infantry &quot;3rd North Carolina&quot; 30th Division, from August 5, 1917, to April 17, 1919 - canal sector, Ypres-Lys offensive, Somme offensive (IA officialhistoryowalk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/accountofprovinc00wils/ An Account of the Province of Carolina in America]
* [https://archive.org/details/fundamentalconst00caro/ The Fundamental Constitutions of Carolina]
* [[Index:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (IA govwilliamtryon00hayw).pdf]], Governor William Tryon, and his administration in the province of North Carolina
* [[Index:The Moravians in North Carolina - an authentic history (IA moraviansinnorth00reic).pdf]]
* [[Indes:History of Wachovia in North Carolina; the Unitas fratrum or Moravian church in North Carolina during a century and a half, 1752-1902 (IA historyofwachovi00clew).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers00batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers02batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Laws of the University of North-Carolina (1800, lawsofuniversityuniv1799).djvu]]
* [[Index:Report of the Tax Commission to Governor Angus Wilton McLean, 1927.pdf]]
* [[Index:Regulations for the North Carolina National Guard, 1907.pdf]]
* [[Index:Reminiscences of Randolph County - Blair - 1890.djvu]]
* [[Index:West Chowan Baptist Messenger, Volume 1 - Issue 4.pdf]]
* [[Index:Revised Statutes of the State of North Carolina - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Session Laws of North Carolina, April, 1777.pdf]]
* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Asheboro Courier, Volume IX, No. 26.pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Historical Review - Volume 1, Number 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:1751 A collection of all the public acts of Assembly, of the province of North-Carolina now in force and use.pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina Manual (1874).pdf]]
* [[Index:NC-Register-Volume-01-Issue-01.pdf]]

== Series/Periodicals/Journals ==
* [[Science (journal)]]
* [[The China Review]]
* [[Amazing Stories]]
* [[The Chinese Repository]]
* [[Federal Register]]
* [[Weird Tales]]
* [[The Journal of Religion]]
* [[Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society]]
* [[Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology]]
* [[Journal of Germanic Philology]]
* [[Journal of English and Germanic Philology]]
* [[Southern Historical Society Papers]]
* [[Archaeologia]]
* [[Portal:The Review of English Studies|The Review of English Studies]]
* [[Archaeological Journal]]
* [[National Geographic Magazine]]
* [[Classical World]]
* [[The International Socialist Review (1900-1918)]]
* [[Loeb Classical Library]]
* [[West Chowan Baptist Messenger]], in case more issues show up.
* [[The Courier]]
* [[North Carolina Historical Review]]

== Copyright books, bibliographies, etc. ==
* [[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]
* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]

== Authors I'm working on / might work on ==
* [[author:John Ronald Reuel Tolkien|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien]]
* [[author:Alexander Ross|Alexander Ross]]
* [[Author:George Lyman Kittredge|George Lyman Kittredge]]
* [[Author:Frank Johnson Goodnow|Frank Johnson Goodnow]]
* [[Author:Frank Frost Abbott|Frank Frost Abbott]]
* [[Author:John Bagnell Bury|John Bagnell Bury]]
* [[Author:Edwin Charles Clark|Edwin Charles Clark]]
* [[Author:James Muirhead (1831-1889)|James Muirhead]]
* [[Author:Edward Poste|Edward Poste]]
* [[Author:James Young Simpson|James Young Simpson]]
* [[Author:Francis Ellingwood Abbot|Francis Ellingwood Abbot]]

== WikiProjects ==

* [[Wikisource:WikiProject North Carolina|WikiProject North Carolina]]
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject Socialism|WikiProject Socialism]]
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject Chinese|WikiProject Chinese]]

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Primary interests; Linguistics, Ancient Rome + Byzantine Studies, Latin, Africa, The Gambia, Law, North Carolina, the East Asian Cultural Sphere, South East Asia, Theology/Mythology/Religious Studies, Alchemy, Magic, Occult, etc., Calligraphy, Paleography, Political Science, Economics, Socialism/Anarchism/Marxism and etc. (List is not in any particular order)

Feel free to contact me on my user talk page, or at the WikiSource Discord, reboot01!

== Currently working on/Want to have time to work on ==
=== Projects ===
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject North Carolina/North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)|Sub-Project North Carolina Bibliography (1589-1956)]]

=== Indexes ===
* [[Index:Mother (IA mother00gorkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Criterion - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:Lltreaties-ustbv001.pdf]]
* [[Index:The anatomy of melancholy - vvhat it is, vvith all the kindes, causes, symptomes, prognostickes, and severall cures of it - in three maine partitions with their seuerall sections (IA anatomyofmelanch00burt 2).pdf]]

====Reference Works, Dictionaries, Ecyclopedias, Language etc,====
* [[Index:Helps for student-writers (IA helpsforstudentw00hawk).pdf]]
* [[Index:Short stories in the making; a writers' and students' introduction to the technique and practical composition of short stories (IA shortstoriesinma00nea).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on the elements of hieroglyphics and Egyptian antiquities (IA lecturesonelemen00spin).pdf]]
* [[Index:Account of Some Recent Discoveries in Hieroglyphical Literature and Egyptian Antiquities (IA dli.granth.37546).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Samaritan language, with extracts and vocabulary (IA grammarofsamarit00nich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The dialect of the southern counties of Scotland - Murray - 1873.djvu]]
* [[Index:The place names of Elginshire (IA placenamesofelgi00mathrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA historyofenglish00brya).pdf]], 1919 reprint
* [[Index:A history of English balladry, and other studies (IA cu31924017774658).pdf]], 1913 print
* [[Index:A grammar of the Mandingo language- with vocabularies (IA grammarofmanding00macb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern English - its growth and present use (IA modernenglishits00krap).pdf]]
* [[Index:The rise, progress, and present structure of the English language. (IA harrisonriseprog00harr).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0000geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishlanguagei0002geor/ The English Language in America, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The American language; an inquiry into the development of English in the United States (IA americanlanguage00menc 0).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:The American Language.djvu]]
* [[Index:American English (IA americanenglish00tuck).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/englishdialectg00wrig/ The English Dialect Grammar]
* [[Index:Phonology and grammar of modern west Frisian, with phonetic texts and glossary (IA phonologygrammar00sipm).pdf]]
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A grammar of the Old Friesic language (IA grammarofoldfrie00cummiala).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Frisian language and literature- a historical study (IA frisianlanguagel00hewerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A key into the language of America- or, An help to the language of the natives in that part of America, called New-England. - Together, with briefe observations of the customes (IA keyintolanguageo00will 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:File:A grammar of the Malagasy language, in the Ankova dialect (IA grammarofmalagas00grifrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the Maya hieroglyphs (IA introductiontost00morl 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/grammarofoscanum00buckuoft/ A Grammar of Oscan and Umbrian]
* [[Index:Pronunciation of Latin in the Augustan period (IA pronunciationofl00cambrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/childrensliterat0000curr/ Children's Literature]
* [[Index:Rudiments of Grammar for the English-Saxon Tongue (Elstob 1715).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Icelandic-English Dictionary - Cleasby &amp; Vigfusson - 1874.djvu]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume I, A-B.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume II, C-L.pdf]]
* [[Index:Encyclopædia Britannica, first edition - Volume III, M-Z.pdf]]
* [[Index:Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:Catholic Encyclopedia, volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pantographia - Fry - 1799.djvu]]
* [[Index:A practical grammar of the Hebrew language - Felsenthal - 1868.djvu]]
* [[Index:The grammar of English grammars.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Brasilian language and its agglutination.pdf]]
* [[Index:AnEssayTowardsARealCharacterAndAPhilosophicalLanguage.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Universal Alphabet, Grammar, and Language (universalalphabe00edmo, George Edmunds, 1856) (IA universalalphabe00edmo).pdf]]

====Theology, Spirituality, Occult, Mythology, old science and medicine etc.====
* [https://archive.org/details/orientalliteratu00muhiuoft/ The Dabistan]
* [https://archive.org/details/witchesstilllive00keny/ Witches Still Live]
* [[Index:Aradia or The Gospel of the witches.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29978518/ The mysteries and secrets of magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonologywitchc00brow/ Demonology and Witchcraft]
* [[Index:Witch, warlock, and magician; historical sketches of magic and witchcraft in England and Scotland (IA witchwarlockmagi00adamrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of witches; (IA bookofwitches00huef).pdf]]
* [[Index:La sorcière; the witch of the middle ages (IA lasorcierewitcho00michiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dragonsdragonlor0000erne/ Dragons and Dragon Lore]
* [[Index:The evolution of the dragon (IA evolutionofdrago00smituoft).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/celticdragonmyth0000jrge/ The Celtic Dragon Myth]
* [https://archive.org/details/unicornamytholo00browgoog/ The Unicorn: A Mythological Investigation]
* [[Index:The religions of eastern Asia (IA religionsofeaste00underich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An account of the rise and progress of Mahometanism.djvu]]
* [[Index:Mahommed, &quot;the great Arabian,&quot; (IA mahommedthegreat00townrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The life of Mohammed; founder of the religion of Islam, and of the empire of the Saracens (IA lifeofmohammedfo00bushrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism (IA mohammedanism00margiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mohammedanism, a pseudo christianity (IA mohammedanismpse00clyd).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christiaan Snouck Hurgronje - Mohammedanism (1916).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifereligionofma0000mene/ The life and religion of Mahommed]
* [[Index:The Columbian Congress of the Universalist Church - papers and addresses at the Congress, held as a section of the World's Congress Auxiliary of the Columbian Exposition, 1893 (IA columbiancongres00colu).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our word and work for missions; (IA ourwordworkformi00rugg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Christian apologetics (IA handbookofchrist00garviala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unitarianism in America; a history of its origin and development (IA cu31924029477852).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ordination of women to the pastorate in Baptist churches (IA ordinationofwome00hung).pdf]]
* [[Index:Women in the Apostolic church; a critical study of the evidence in the New Testament for the prominence of women in early Christianity (IA womeninapostolic00allwrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theplaceofwomeni00unknuoft/ The Place of Women in the Church]
* [https://archive.org/details/womaninpulpit00will/ Women in the Pulpit]
* [https://archive.org/details/minhaj_al-talibin_english/ Minhaj Al-Talibin]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/traditionsofisla0000alfr/ The Traditions of Islam]
* [https://archive.org/details/muhammadinhadees0000abul/ Muhammad in the Hadees]
* [https://archive.org/details/amanualofthelead00tisduoft/ A manual of the leading Muhammadan objections to Christianity]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoriginalsourc00tisduoft/ The original sources of the Qur'ân]
* [[Index:The sword of Islam (IA swordofislam00woll).pdf]]
* [[Index:The spirit of Islam; or, The life and teachings of Mohammed (IA spiritofislamorl00alisrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Moslem seeker after God - showing Islam at its best in the life and teaching of al-Ghazali, mystic and theologian of the eleventh century (IA moslemseekeraft00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritan Pentateuch- the story of a survival among the sects (IA samaritanpentate00bart).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirh00gast/ The Samaritans : their history, doctrines and literature]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/samaritanstheirt00thomuoft/ The Samaritans: their testimony to the religion of Israel]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29351765/ An Account of the Rise and Progress of Mahometanism]
* [[Index:The book of Yahweh (The Yahwist Bible) - fragments from the primitive document in seven early books of the Old Testament (IA cu31924029285661).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lecturesonmodern00bart/ Lectures on Modern Universalism]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of opinions on the scriptural doctrine of retribution]
* [https://archive.org/details/mysteryhidfromag00chau_0/ The Mystery Hid from Ages and Generations]
* [[Index:Sermons in vindication of Universalism...in reply to &quot;Lectures on Universalism&quot;; (IA sermonsinvindica00mors).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our new departure; (IA ournewdeparture00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Universalism as it is; or, Text book of modern universalism in America (IA universalismasit00hatfrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The plain guide to Universalism - designed to lead inquirers to the belief of that doctrine, and believers to the practice of it (IA plainguidetouniv00whitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook of Christian symbolism (IA handbookofchrist00auds).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible manual. Introductory course on the Bible, for teachers training classes and Bible classes (IA biblemanualintro00kram).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofopinion00beec/ History of Opinions on the Scriptural Doctrine of Future Retribution]
* [[Index:Over the river- (IA overriver00thayiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originhistoryofd00thay_0/ The origin and history of the doctrine of endless punishment]
* [https://archive.org/details/theologyofuniver00thay/ Theology of Universalism]
* [[index:An examination of the doctrine of future retribution (IA examinationofdoc00ball).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity against infidelity.. (IA christianityagai00thay).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bible class assistant, or Scriptural guide for Sunday schools.. (IA bibleclassassist00thay).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/elevensermonswhi00ball/ The eleven sermons which were preached]
* [[Index:The Christian universalist (IA christianunivers00mitc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Bible proofs of universal salvation.. (IA bibleproofsofuni00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ancient history of universalism, from the time of the apostles to its condemnation in the fifth general council, A. D. 553 (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 1).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1842
* [[Index:Universalism, the prevailing doctrine of the Christian church during its first five hundred years; with authorities and extracts (IA universalismpre00hans).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient history of universalism - from the time of the apostles, to the fifth general council - with an appendix, tracing the doctrine to the Reformation (IA ancienthistoryof00ball 0).pdf]], Boston Reprint, 1872
* [[Index:The divine government (IA divinegovernment00smit).pdf]], 5th Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/restorationofall00whit/ The restoration of all things]
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Roman Breviary Bute 1908 - vol. 4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A critical exposition of the popular Jihád.pdf]]
* [[Index:Te Ika a Maui, or, New Zealand and its inhabitants - with the geology, natural history, productions, and climate of the country, etc. (IA teikamauiornewze1855rich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Polynesian Mythology by George Grey (polynesianmythol00greyuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths And Songs From The South Pacific (IA mythsandsongsfro013889mbp).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of Ma-ui-a demi god of Polynesia (IA legendsofmauiade00west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation myths of primitive America - in relation to the religious history and mental development of mankind (IA creationmyths00curtrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian legends of volcanoes (mythology) (IA hawaiianlegendso01west).pdf]]
* [[Index:Legends of gods and ghosts (Hawaiian mythology).djvu]]
* [[Index:The legends and myths of Hawaii - the fables and folk-lore of a strange people (IA legendsmythsofha00kala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pele and Hiiaka; a myth from Hawaii (IA pelehiiakamythfr00emeriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hawaiian antiquities (Moolelo Hawaii) (IA hawaiianantiquit00malorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Unwritten literature of Hawaii; the sacred songs of the hula (IA cu31924026916415).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Jewish proverbs (IA ancientjewishpro00cohe).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Babylonian Talmud- Tractate Berakot; translated into English for the first time, with introduction, commentary, glossary and indices (IA babyloniantalmud00coheiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sacred cosmogony; or, Primitive revelation demonstrated by the harmony of the facts of the Mosaic history of the creation, with the principles of general science (IA sacredcosmogonyo00sori).pdf]]
* [[Index:A short survey of the literature of rabbinical and mediæval Judaism (IA cu31924029285371).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Preaching of Islam, by T. W. Arnold; 1935.djvu]]
* [[Index:The religion of Islám (IA religionofislm00kleirich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/originsofdruzepe00hitt/ The origins of the Druze people and religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects01wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/essaysonsubjects02wrig/ Essays on subjects connected with the literature, popular superstitions, and history of England in the Middle Ages, Volume 2]
* [[Index:A contribution to the comparative study of the medieval visions of heaven and hell (IA contributiontoco01beck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demon possession and allied themes; being an inductive study of phenomena of our own times (IA demonpossessiona00neviiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Devil Worship.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/heavenhellincomp0000kohl/ Heaven and hell in comparative religion]
* [https://archive.org/details/diabolologyperso1890jewe/ Diabolology]
* [[Index:The Book of the Goetia (Mathers-Crowley, 1904).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Key of Solomon the king (Clavicula Salomonis) (IA b24884431).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lesserkeyofsolom00dela/ The Lesser Key of Solomon]
* [[Index:Irish witchcraft and demonology (IA irishwitchcraftd00seymrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw).pdf]]
* [[Index:Demonology and devil-lore (IA demonologydevill00conw2).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storyofworldswor00dobbuoft/ Story of the World's Worship]
* [https://archive.org/details/moonlore00harl/ Moon Lore]
* [[Index:Witch-Cult in Western Europe (1921).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/womansshareinpri00maso/ Woman's Share in Primitive Culture]
* [[Index:Germanic origins (IA germanicorigins00gumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman, church and state- a historical account of the status of woman through the Christian ages- with reminiscences of matriarchate - (IA womanchurchstate00gagerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Golden Bough (1922).djvu]]
* [[Index:Myths and myth-makers- old tales and superstitions interpreted by comparative mythology (IA mythsandmythmake00fiskiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Researches in prehistoric and protohistoric comparative philology, mythology, and archæology, in connection with the origin of culture in America and the Accad or Sumerian families (IA researchesinpreh00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The material culture and social institutions of the simpler peoples; an essay in correlation (IA materialcultures00hobhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the science of comparative mythology and folklore (IA cu31924029075328).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility, and allied topics (IA cu31924030410801).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Fecundity, fertility, sterility and allied topics (IA b21778176).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:The Catholic's ready answer; a popular vindication of Christian beliefs and practices against the attacks of modern criticism (IA catholicsreadyan00hill).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/commentaryonbibl00peak/ A commentary on the Bible]
* [[Index:The Bible and astronomy; (IA bibleastronomy00kurt).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sunloreofallages00olco/ Sun Lore of All Ages]
* [[Index:An account of the life and writings of S. Irenæus (IA accountoflifewri00beav).pdf]]
* [[Index:Heresy and Chistian doctrine (IA heresychistiando00pres).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/observationsonhe0000whit/ Observations on heresy and orthodoxy]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalviewof00mcfa/ An historical view of heresies and vindication of the primitive fait]
* [[Index:The gnostic heresies of the first and second centuries (IA gnosticheresieso00mansrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aryan sun-myths the origin of religions; (IA aryansunmythsori00titcrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaicall philosophy - grounded upon the essentiall truth or eternal sapience (IA mosaicallphiloso00flud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of four-footed beasts and serpents. (IA historyoffourfoo00tops).pdf]]
* [[Index:The historie of foure-footed beastes (1607).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the Unseen World]
* [[Index:Angelology.. (IA angelology00clay).pdf]]
* [[Index:Angelology-.. (IA angelology00mcca).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30330610).pdf]], Blagraves astrological practice of physick
* [[Index:Anatomical texts of the earlier middle ages; a study in the transmission of culture (1927).djvu]]
* [[Index:Books from the Biodiversity Heritage Library (IA mobot31753000703782).pdf]], Paradisi in sole paradisus terrestris
* [[Index:The philosophy of witchcraft (IA philosophyofwitc00mitciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA b30529906).pdf]], The compleat wizzard
* [[Index:A commentary on the Holy Bible (1909) (IA commentaryonholy01dumm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord, or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church; comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00luth).pdf]], 1st edition, 1851
* [[Index:The Christian Book of concord = or, Symbolical books of the Evangelical Lutheran Church - comprising the three chief symbols, the unaltered Augsburg confession, the Apology (IA christianbookofc00henk).pdf]], 2nd edition 1854
* [[Index:Books from the Library of Congress (IA theologicalpropd03scha).pdf]], Theological propædeutic; a general introduction to the study of theology
* [[Index:A Complete System of Christian Theology (Wakefield, 1869, completesystemof0000wake).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Queen of Sheba &amp; her only son Menyelek (IA queenofshebahero00budgrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some answered questions; collected and tr. from the Persian of 'Abdu'l-Baha, by Laura Clifford Barney (IA someansweredques00abdurich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hujajul Beheyyeh (The Behai proofs) (IA hujajulbeheyyeht00abua).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sevenvalleysreve00bah/ The Seven Valleys]
* [[Index:Tablet of tarazat, Tablet of the world, Words of Paradise, Tablet of Tajalleyat, The glad tidings; (IA tabletoftarazatt00baharich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun01abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/promulgationofun0002abdu/ The Promulgation of Universal Peace, Volume 2]
* [[Index:The Moslem doctrine of God; an essay on the character and attributes of Allah according to the Koran and orthodox tradition (IA moslemdoctrineof00zwem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Development of Muslim theology, jurisprudence, and constitutional theory (IA cu31924029159691).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Samaritans, the earliest Jewish sect; their history, theology and literature (IA cu31924028585929).pdf]]
* [[Index:The theology and ethics of the Hebrews (IA theologyethicsof00duffiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thesixdaysofcrea00lewsuoft/ The Six Days of Creation]
* [[Index:The chemical history of the six days of creation (IA cu31924029284399).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/patriarchalageor00smituoft/ The patriarchal age; or, The history and religion of mankind]
* [[Index:The patriarchal age; (IA patriarchalage00phil).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/immortalityunsee0000unse/ Immortality and the unseen world; a study in Old Testament religion]
* [[Index:The unity of the book of Genesis (IA unityofbookofge00gree).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees, translated from the Ethiopic (IA cu31924076045669).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Jubilees. Robert Henry Charles. 1902 (IA bookofjubileesor00char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Book of Jubilees. Robert Charles, George Box. 1917 (IA bookofjubileesor01char).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Exodus, with introduction and notes (IA bookofexoduswith00mcnerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bookofgenesisnot00drivuoft/ The Book of Genesis; with introduction and notes by S.R. Driver]
* [[Index:The legends of Genesis (IA legendsofgenesis00gunk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of Genesis in the light of modern knowledge (IA bookofgenesisinl01worc).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/worldbeforeabrah00mitcuoft/ The World before Abraham, according to Genesis I-XI]
* [[Index:The creation - a commentary on the first five chapters of the book of Genesis (IA creationcommenta00luth).pdf]]
* [[Index:The genesis of Genesis; (IA genesisofgenesis00bacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early traditions of Genesis (IA earlytraditionso00gordrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/teachingvaluesof00stri/ Teaching values of the legends and myths of Genesis]]
* [[Index:The composition of the book of Genesis (IA compositionofbo00frip).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on the book of Genesis (IA notesonbookofgen00mackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Discourses on the book of Genesis (IA discoursesonbook00henriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indications of the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA indicationsoffir00latc).pdf]]
* [[Index:Outline studies in Genesis (IA outlinestudiesin00russ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies on the book of Genesis (IA studiesonbookof00prat).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early narratives of Genesis; a brief introduction to the study of Genesis I-XI (IA earlynarrativeso00rylerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes, critical and explanatory, on the book of Genesis ... (IA notescriticalexp00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:Creation and the fall; a defence and exposition of the first three chapters of Genesis (IA creationfalldefe00macd).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/expositionofthre00glea/ An exposition of the three first chapters of Genesis, explained and improved]
* [[Index:The historical value of the first eleven chapters of Genesis; with some discussion of the new criticism (IA historicalvalueo00beac).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mosaic cosmogony. Literal translation of first chapter of Genesis, with annotations and rationalia (IA cu31924031786928).pdf]]
* [[Index:The first chapter of Genesis as the rock foundation for science and religion (IA cu31924031224789).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/notesobservation00scot/ Notes and observations upon the three first chapters of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/acriticalandexe01murpgoog/ A critical and exegetical commentary on the book of Genesis, 1st Edition, Edinburgh, 1863]
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- (IA genesisiii00grot).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1880
* [[Index:Genesis I-II- an essay on the Bible narrative of creation (IA genesisiiiessayo01grot).pdf]], 2nd Edition, 1881
* [[Index:The tabernacle - or the Gospel according to Moses (IA tabernacleorgosp00junk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Tabernacle; its history and structure (IA tabernacleitshis00cald).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/primevalrevelati00jone/ Primeval Revelation: Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/messagesformorni00trum/ Messages for the Morning Watch: Devotional Studies in Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/beginningsofhebr00cole/ The Beginnings of the Hebrew People: Studies in the Book of Genesis]
* [https://archive.org/details/genesisorfirstbo0000lang/ Genesis, or, the first book of Moses, together with a general theological and homiletical introduction to the Old Testament]
* [[Index:The myths of Israel, the ancient book of Genesis with analysis and explanation of its composition (IA mythsofisraelanc00fisk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The ages before Moses- a series of lectures on the book of Genesis (IA cu31924029289737).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Jewish Interpretation of the Book of Genesis (Morgenstern, 1919, jewishinterpreta00morg).pdf]]
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses called Genesis (IA cuponfi00patr).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [[Index:A commentary upon the first book of Moses, called Genesis (IA comfi00patr).pdf]], 2nd edition, missing pages
* [[Index:A companion to the book of Genesis (IA companiontobook00turn).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of Moses (IA lawofmoses00navi).pdf]]
* The covenant of nature made with Adam described {{esl|https://archive.org/details/covenantofnature00pync/}}
* [[Index:The history and philosophy of Judaism (IA historyphilosoph00shawiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Intermediate types among primitive folk- a study in social evolution (IA cu31924021843986).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christianity and sex problems (IA cu31924021843259).pdf]]
* [[Index:Source book for social origins; ethnological materials, psychological standpoint, classified and annotated bibliographies for the interpretation of savage society (IA sourcebookforsoc00thomiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sex and society; studies in the social psychology of sex (IA sexsocietystudie00thom).pdf]]
* [[Index:Man and woman (electronic resource) - a study of human secondary sexual characters (IA b20410761).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to systematic philosophy (IA introductiontosy00marv).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to philosophy (IA introductiontoph00flet).pdf]]
* [[Index:Book of Mormon (1830, bookofmormonacco1830smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy scriptures (IA holyscriptures00smit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indago astrologica- or a brief and modest enquiry into some principal points of astrology (IA b30333519).pdf]]
* [[Index:An encyclopaedia of occultism a compendium of information on the occult sciences, occult personalities, psychic science, magic, demonology, spiritism and mysticism.djvu]]
* [[Index:The long lost friend, or, Faithful &amp; Christian instructions (0223252.nlm.nih.gov ,John George Hohman, 1850).djvu]]
* [[Index:Summa Theologica (2nd rev. ed.) - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The abridgment of Christian divinitie.djvu]]
* [[Index:Alcoran of Mahomet 1649.djvu]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of Islam.djvu]]
* [[Index:Thomas Patrick Hughes - Notes on Muhammadanism - 2ed. (1877).djvu]]
* [[Index:The discouerie of witchcraft (1584) (IA b30337367).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mirror of Alchimy (1597, mirrorofalchimy00baco).djvu]]
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:Three Books of Occult Philosophy (De Occulta Philosophia) (1651).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Magus, or Celestial Intelligencer - Barrett - 1801.djvu]]
* [[Index:St Augustine Of the Citie of God.pdf]]
* [[Index:1582 Rhemes New Testament.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Holy Bible (LSV).pdf]]
* [[Index:Batman upon Bartolome.djvu]]
* [[Index:An analysis of the Egyptian mythology- to which is subjoined, a critical examination of the remains of Egyptian chronology (IA b29350074).pdf]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Phenomenology of Mind vol 2.djvu]]

====Economic/Social studies/History/Law====
* [[Index:Problems of readjustment after the war (IA problemsofreadju00newy).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of government organization and management (IA principlesofgove00clev).pdf]]
* [[Index:The new spirit of the new army; a message to the &quot;service flag&quot; homes (IA newspiritofnewar00odel).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church in America; a study of the present condition and future prospects of American Protestantism (IA churchinamericas01brow).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/middletownstudyi0000lynd/ Middletown: a study in American culture]
* [[Index:Organized self-government (IA organizedselfgov00daws).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jewishselfgovern00fink/ Jewish self-government in the middle ages]
* [https://archive.org/details/citiesinevolutio00gedduoft/ Cities in Evolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpublicli0000unse/ The American Public Library and the Diffusion of Knowledge]
* [[Index:Co-operative housekeeping; how not to do it and how to do it (IA cooperativehouse00peir).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar and the rise of the Mughal empire; (IA akbarriseofmugha00mallrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Akbar, emperor of India, a picture of life and customs from the sixteenth century (IA akbaremperorofin00garb).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins02abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ayeen Akbery; or, The Institutes of the Emperor Akber (IA ayeenakberyorins01abua).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local government in Francia and England- a comparison of the local administration and jurisdiction of the Carolingian empire with that of the West Saxon kingdom (IA localgovernmenti00camhiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The making of the English constitution, 449-1485 (IA makingofenglishc00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the shire, being the lore, history and evolution of English county institutions (IA storyofshirebein00hack).pdf]]
* [[Index:The polity of the ancient Hebrews (IA polityofancienth00sulzrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz - the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA cu31924089135754).pdf]], 2nd Printing, 1910
* [[Index:The Am ha-aretz, the ancient Hebrew parliament, a chapter in the constitutional history of ancient Israel (IA amhaaretzancient00sulziala).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/revolutionbyreas0000stra/ Revolution by Reason, an account of the financial proposals submitted by Oswald Mosley at the 33d Independent Labour Party Conference]
* [[Index:The story of rapid transit (IA storyofrapidtran00willrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Interborough rapid transit; the New York subway, its construction and equipment (IA interboroughrapi00interich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ethnologyofakamb00hobluoft/ Ethnology of A-Kamba and other East African Tribes]
* [https://archive.org/details/africapastpresen00mois/ Africa: Past and Present]
* [https://archive.org/details/soulofbantusympa00will_0/ The Soul of the Bantu]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofislando00copl/ A History of the Island of Madagascar]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor01oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/madagascarhistor02oliv/ Madagascar, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/b31516993/ The Antananarivo annual and Madagascar magazine]
* [[Index:The history of Dahomy, an inland kingdom of Africa (IA b28764808).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Visigothic Code.djvu]]
* [[Index:A manual of elementary law (IA cu31924018811376).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/countrytownstudy00andeuoft/ The Country Town]
* [[Index:Principles of American state administration, by John Mabry Mathews. (IA principlesofamer00math).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lectures on Slavonic law, being the Ilchester lectures for the year 1900; (IA cu31924022021566).pdf]]
* [[index:Ideals of America; (IA idealsofamerica00city).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/urbancommunityse00burgrich/ The Urban Community]
* [https://archive.org/details/chicagoexperimen00smit/ Chicago, an Experiment in Social Science Research]
* [https://archive.org/details/howesneweracivic00howe/ Howe's new era civics]
* [https://archive.org/details/safeguardingamer00atwoiala Safeguarding american ideals]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanpolitica00merriala/ American political ideas; studies in the development of American political thought 1865-1917]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanthoughtf00rilerich/ American thought: from Puritanism to pragmatism]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924007488954/ The foundations of American foreign policy]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924031446465/ Liberty, Union and Democracy, The National Ideas of America]
* [https://archive.org/details/nationalgovernme00kimbrich/ The national government of the United States]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallawsagenci00unse/ Social laws and agencies of North Carolina]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanidealsot0000unse/ American ideals, and other essays, social and political]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hillrich/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanizationp00talb/ Americanization]
* [https://archive.org/details/americanismwhati00hill/ Americanism, what it is]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourdualgovernmen00broo/ Our dual government, studies in Americanism for young people]
* [https://archive.org/details/everydayamerican00canbrich/ Everyday Americans]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofamerican00hopk/ A manual of American ideas]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac01form/ The American democracy, 1920]
* [https://archive.org/details/americandemocrac00form/ The American Democracy, 1921, 2nd Printing]
* [https://archive.org/details/citizensguideorm00gibs/ The citizens' guide]
* [[Index:Community buildings for industrial towns (IA communitybuildin00comm).pdf]]
* [[index:Rural and small community recreation. Suggestions for utilizing the resources of rural communities; (IA ruralsmallcommun00commrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A course in citizenship and patriotism (IA courseincitizens00cabo).pdf]]
* [[Index:A selected bibliography and syllabus of the history of the South, 1584-1876 (IA selectedbibliogr00boydrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The demonstration work; Dr. Seaman A. Knapp's contribution to civilization (IA demonstrationwor00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Party organization and machinery (IA partyorgmachiner00macy).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of Negro extension work, 1914-1924 (IA decadeofnegroext72mart).pdf]]
* [[Index:Educational resources of village and rural communities (IA educationalresou00hart).pdf]]
* [[Index:The validity of American ideals (IA validityofameric01math).pdf]]
* [[Index:The church and the community (IA cu31924014043362).pdf]]
* [[Index:Social ideals of a free church (IA socialidealsoffr00forbiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Christian Americanization; a task for the churches (IA brookschristiana00broo).pdf]]
* [[Index:America via the neighborhood (IA americavianeighb00danirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Our neighborhood; good citizenship in rural communities (IA cu31924080075959).pdf]]
* [[Index:The free city; a book of neighborhood (IA freecitybookofne00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Neighborhood entertainments (IA cu31924014493542).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rural community organization (IA ruralcommunityor00haye).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community center; what it is and how to organize it (IA communitycenterw00jack).pdf]]
* [[Index:A community church; the story of a minister's experience which led him from the church militant to the church democratic (IA communitychurchs00jackrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Community organization (IA communityorganiz00hartiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialservicefor00ward_0/ Social Services for Young People]
* [[Index:Pupil self-government, its theory and practice (IA pupilselfgovernm00cron).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/communityorganiz00stei/ Community Organization: A Study of its Current Theory and Practice]
* [[Index:The little democracy, a text-book on community organization (IA littledemocracyt00clar).pdf]]
* [[Index:The country church and community cooperation (IA countrychurchcom00israrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Local and central government; a comparative study of England, France, Prussia, and the United States (IA localcentralgove00ashl).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal administration in Germany as seen in the government of a typical Prussian city, Halle a-S (IA municipaladminis00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of Prussian administration (IA principlesofprus00jamerich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/governmentadmini0000blac/ The Government and Administration of Germany]
* [[Index:The government of Wyoming - the history, constitution and administration of affairs (IA governmentofwyom00heba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The principles of the administrative law of the United States (IA principlesofadmi00good).pdf]]
* [[Index:Statesman's handbook for Russia (IA statesmanshandbo00russrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warrussiangovern0000unse/ The war and the Russian government. The central government]
* [[Index:Modern customs and ancient laws of Russia; being the Ilchester lectures for 1889-90; (IA cu31924014085983).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lancasteryorkcen01rams/ Lancaster and York, Volume 1]
* [[Index:Lancaster and York; a century of English history (A.D. 1399-1485) (IA cu31924088011436).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The houses of Lancaster and York, with the conquest and loss of France; (IA housesoflancaste01gair).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warsofroses00mowauoft/ The Wars of the Roses]
* [[Index:Wales and the wars of the Roses (IA waleswarsofroses00evanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:English towns in the wars of the Roses (IA englishtownsinwa00wins).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal government in Ireland - medieval &amp; modern (IA municipalgovernm00webbrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:Men of the old stone age, their environment, life and art (IA menofoldstoneage00osborich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The English in the middle ages; from the Norman usurpation to the days of the Stuarts. Their mode of life, dress, arms, occupations, and amusements. As illustrated in the British Museum (IA englishinmiddlea00hodg).pdf]]
* [[Index:Arms and armour in antiquity and the middle ages - also a descriptive notice of modern weapons (IA b24865990).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/armourweapons00ffouuoft/ Armour &amp; Weapons]
* [https://archive.org/details/treatiseonancien00grosrich/ A treatise on ancient armour and weapons]
* [[Index:An illustrated history of arms and armour from the earliest period to the present time (IA illustratedhisto00demmrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Germany in the later Middle Ages, 1200-1500 (IA germanyinlatermi00stub).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ayliffejuriscanonici/ Parergon Juris Canonici Anglicani]
* [[Index:The Effects of Civilisation on the People in European States.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/developmentofeur0000smit/ The Development of European Law]
* [[Index:The Art of War in the Middle Ages (Chadwick, 1885, artofwarinmiddle00omanuoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:The History of the Isle of Man (1780, historyofisleofm00dubl).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 1 (1101-1377).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 2 (1377-1509).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 3 (1509-47).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 1 (1547-84).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 4, Part 2 (1586-1625).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 5 (1628-80).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 6 (1685-94).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 7 (1695-1701).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 8 (1702-7).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm Vol 9 (1708-13).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Alphabetical Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Statutes of the Realm (Chronological Index).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Laws and Acts of Parliament of Scotland.djvu]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the middle ages (375-814) (IA introductiontost00emer).pdf]]
* [[Index:Villainage in England; essays in English mediaeval history (IA cu31924024908356).pdf]]
* [[Index:Law and politics in the middle ages, with a synoptic table of sources (IA cu31924030432532).pdf]]
* [[Index:De republica Anglorum. The maner of gouernement or policie of the realme of England, compiled by the honorable sir Thomas Smyth .. (IA ita-bnc-mag-00002562-001).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Lexicon of Medieval Nordic Law (OBP.0188, 2020).pdf]]
* [[Index:Runic and heroic poems of the old Teutonic peoples.djvu]]
* [[Index:The riddles of the Exeter book (IA riddlesofexeterb00tupp).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Law of the Westgoths - tr. Bergin - 1906.djvu]]
* [[Index:Laws of the Earliest English Kings.djvu]]
* [[Index:The sources of the law of England - an historical introduction to the study of English law (IA cu31924021687227).pdf]]
* [[Index:George Philips, Lex parliamentaria (1st ed, 1690).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of economics (IA historyofeconomi00macliala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian currency and finance (IA indiancurrencyfi00keynuoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:An inquiry into the various systems of political economy- their advantages and disadvantages- and the theory most favourable to the increase of national wealth (IA inquiryintovario00gani).pdf]]
* [[Index:National system of political economy (IA nationalsystemof00list).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of political economy; or, Elementary view of the manner in which the wealth of nations is produced, increased, distributed, and consumed (IA introductiontost00boilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Theory of Moral Sentiments.pdf]]
* [[Index:Treatise on Probability, Keynes, 1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:Monasticon Anglicanum, or, The history of the ancient abbies, and other monasteries, hospitals, cathedral and collegiate churches in England and Wales. With divers French, Irish (IA monasticonanglic00dugd).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of Gothic architecture (IA introductiontost00park 9).pdf]], 1st edition
* [[Index:Architecture; an introduction to the history and theory of the art of building (IA architectureintr00leth 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Race distinctions in American Law (IA racedistinctions00stepiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The law of city planning and zoning (IA lawofcityplannin00williala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The improvement of towns and cities - or, The practical basis of civic aesthetics (IA improvementoftow00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern civic art - or, The city made beautiful (IA moderncivicartor00robi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A decade of civic development (IA decadeofcivicdev00zueb).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning, with special reference to the planning of streets and lots (IA cu31924064909660).pdf]]
* [[Index:Modern city planning and maintenance (IA moderncityplanni00koes).pdf]]
* [[Index:City planning; a series of papers presenting the essential elements of a city plan (IA cityplanningseri00noleiala).pdf]]

=====Labor, Socialism, Anarchism, Communist, Feminism, LGBTQ+=====
* [https://archive.org/details/bolsheviktheory0000post/ The Bolshevik Theory]
* [[Index:Americanism; a world menace (IA americanismworld00coly).pdf]]
* [[Index:Emma Goldman - The Social Significance of the Modern Drama - 1914.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx and modern socialism (IA karlmarxmodernso00salt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx; his life and work (IA cu31924002310864).pdf]], John Spargo, 1912
* [https://archive.org/details/karlmarxhislifew00rhle/ Karl Marx; his life and work, Otto Ruhle, 1929]
* [[Index:The old freedom (IA oldfreedom00neilrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A History of Socialism.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/marxianeconomics00unte/ Marxian Economics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mindfaceofbolshe0000unse/ The Mind and Face of Bolshevism]
* [[Index:The revolt of democracy (IA revoltofdemocrac00wallrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/socialismofchris00bierrich/ Socialism of Christ]
* [[Index:German Social Democracy - Six Lectures by Bertrand Russell.djvu]]
* [[Index:Karl Marx - Wage Labor and Capital - tr. Harriet E. Lothrop (1902).djvu]]
* [[Index:The ego and his own (IA egohisown00stiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ten blind leaders of the blind - by Arthur M. Lewis (IA tenblindleaderso00lewirich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Egoists, a book of supermen- (IA egoistsbookofsu00hune).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/philosophyofegoi00walk/ The Philosophy of Egoism]
* [[Index:Anarchism (Eltzbacher, 1908 English translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Socialist Review (1900-1918), Vol. 1, Issue 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Jungle (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchy and Anarchists (Schaack, 1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anarchism; a criticism and history of the anarchist theory (IA anarchismcritici00zenkiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Anarchism and socialism (IA anarchismsociali00plek).pdf]]
* [[Index:Trade unionism in the United States (IA cu31924013988195).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of trade unionism in the United States (IA historyoftradeun00perliala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/theoryoflabormov0000seli/ A Theory of the Labor Movement]
* [[Index:Communism in America; (IA communisminameri00jamerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA communistsocieties00nordrich).pdf]], The Communistic Societies of the United States
* [https://archive.org/details/leftwingunionism/ Left Wing Unionism]
* [[Index:Jay Lovestone - Blood and Steel (1923)).djvu]]
* ''History of American Socialisms'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofamerica00innoye/page/14/mode/2up}}
* [[Index:On labour, its wrongful claims and rightful dues, its actual present and possible future (IA onlabouritswrong00thor).pdf]]
* [[Index:Voluntary socialism; a sketch (IA voluntarysociali00tandrich).pdf]], 2nd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/voluntarysocial01tandgoog/ Voluntary Socialism, 1st Edition]
* [[Index:Arkady Joseph Sack - The Birth of the Russian Democracy (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The struggle for existence (IA struggleforexist00millrich).pdf]], First Edition
* [[Index:Direct action (IA directaction00mell).pdf]]

=====Racism, Antisemitism, National Socialism, KKK, Nationalism, Right, etc.=====
* [[Index:The revolt against civilization; the menace of the under man (IA cu31924016895975).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/reddragonblacksh00phil/ The &quot;Red&quot; Dragon and the Black Shirts]
* [https://archive.org/details/pragmaticrevolti00elli/ The pragmatic revolt in politics]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolinipopecom1501mcca/ Mussolini and the Pope]
* [https://archive.org/details/popeormussolini0000hear/ Pope or Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss00sarf/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 6th Printing, UK Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofbenitomuss0000mang/ The Life of Benito Mussolini, 5th Printing, US Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/isantichristatha0000smit/ Is the Antichrist at hand? What of Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/historicalcauses00trevuoft/ The historical causes of the present state of affairs in Italy]
* [[Index:L. W. - Fascism, Its History and Significance (1924).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/makingfasciststa0000herb/ Making the Fascist State]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-need-for-fascism-in-great-britain The Need for Fascism in Great Britain]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistdictators0001gaet/ The Fascist Dictatorship in Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolininewital0000alex/ Mussolini and the New Italy]
* [https://archive.org/details/mussolini0000unse/ Mussolini as Revealed in His Political Speeches]
* [[Index:Behold Our New Empire Mussolini (IA BeholdOurNewEmpireMussolini).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/1928UniversalAspectsOfFascism/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 1st Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.5084/ The Universal Aspects of Fascism, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/italytoday0000foxf/ Italy To-day]
* [https://archive.org/details/thetheoryofminda00gentuoft/ The Theory of Mind as a Pure Act]
* [https://archive.org/details/blackmagic00kenn/ Black Magic]
* [https://archive.org/details/pedigreeoffascis0000alin/ The Pedigree of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/strenuousitalyso00gayh/ Strenuous Italy]
* [[Index:Sociology for the South - or, The failure of free society (IA sociologyforsout00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cannibals all! or, Slaves without masters (IA cannibalsallorsl00fitz).pdf]]
* [[Index:Negro-Mania- Being an Examination of the Falsely Assumed Equality of the Various Races of Men (IA DKC0100).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary01tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 1: Revolution]
* [https://archive.org/details/outlawsdiary02tormuoft An Outlaw's Diary, Volume 2: The Commune]
* [[Index:Meccania, the super-state (IA meccaniasupersta00greg).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/pangermanleague10000wert/ The Pan-German League]
* [[Index:The pan-Germanic doctrine; being a study of German political aims and aspirations (IA pangermanicdoctr00harrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Pan-germanism, its plans for German expansion in the world (IA pangermanismitsp00andlrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Antisemitism, its history and causes (IA antisemitismitsh00lazaiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/thenegroabeastorintheimageofgod/ &quot;The Negro A Beast&quot;, Or &quot;In The Image Of God&quot;]
* [https://archive.org/details/americannegrodependentdefectivedelinquent/ The American Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negroamenacetoamericancivilization/ The Negro]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrosouthernersproblem/ The Negro: The Southernor's Problem]
* [https://archive.org/details/negrocriminality_202001/ Negro Criminality]
* [https://archive.org/details/sexualcrimesamongsouthernnegroes/ Sexual Crimes among the Southern Negroes]
* [https://archive.org/details/whitesupremacyandnegrosubordination/ White Supremacy and Negro Subordination]
* [https://archive.org/details/slaveryasitrela00priegoog/ Slavery, as it Relates to the Negro]
* [[Index:Bible Defence of Slavery.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/TheRiddleOfTheJewsSuccess/ The Riddle of the Jews Success]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.38804/ Racial Elements Of European History]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:The International Jew - Volume 4.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/italyundermussol0000unse/ Italy under Mussolini]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeordeathstory00beal/ Rome or Death! The Story of Fascism]
* [https://archive.org/details/odon-por.-fascism-1923_202107/ Fascism, Odon Por]
* [https://archive.org/details/fascistmovementi00gorguoft/ The Fascist Movement in Italian Life]
* [[Index:My Autobiography (1928) - by Benito Mussolini.pdf]]
* [[Index:The ravings of a renegade ; being the War essays of Houston Stewart Chamberlain (IA ravingsofrenegad00chamrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin01cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/foundationsofnin02cham/ The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century], Volume 2
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline of the West (Volume 2).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Decline of the West.pdf]], combined Volume, 1932 edition
* [[Index:The inequality of human races (1915).djvu]]
* [[Index:The moral and intellectual diversity of races - with particular reference to their respective influence in the civil and political history of mankind (IA bub gb uRvNQHqLj0kC).pdf]]
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA passingofgreatra01gran).pdf]], 4th Edition
* [[Index:The passing of the great race; or, The racial basis of European history (IA cu31924029874330).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ku Klux Klan (H.H. Wilson Reference Shelf) (IA kukluxklan00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Klan unmasked, (IA klanunmasked00simm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Catalogue of Official Robes and Banners - Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Incorporated, Atlanta, Georgia (1925) - Catalogueofoffic00kukl.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Ku Klux klan- a study of the American mind (IA kukluxklanastudy00meck).pdf]]
* [[Index:Papers read at the meeting of Grand dragons, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan at their first- annual meet (IA papersreadatmeet01kukl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/authentichistor00davi/ Authentic history, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924083530117/ The Ku Klux Klan or Invisible Empire]

==== Ancient Rome/Byzantine Studies/Latin/Classics ====
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924028520728/ Syria as a Roman Province]
* [https://archive.org/details/spainunderromane00bouc/ Spain under the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The Gracchi, Marius, and Sulla (IA cu31924074596879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Seven Roman statesmen of the later republic- The Gracchi. Sulla. Crassus. Cato. Pompey. Caesar (IA sevenromanstates00oman).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romaneducationfr0000gwyn_n9h9/ Roman education from Cicero to Quintilian]
* [[Index:Manual of classical literature (IA manualofclassica00eschrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofhistoryo00mattuoft/ A manual of the history of Greek and Roman literature]
* [https://archive.org/details/manualofclassica00morr/ A Manual of Classical Literature]
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212877).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 1
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212885).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 2
* [[Index:Roman law in the modern world (IA cu31924021212893).pdf]], 1st Edition, Vol. 3
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern0001unse/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern00sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlawinmodern03sheruoft/ Roman Law in the Modern World, 2nd Edition, Vol. 3]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay01bussiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman empire- essays on the constitutional history from the accession of Domitian (81 A. D.) to the retirement of Nicephorus III (1081 A.D.) (IA romanempireessay02bussiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempirer0000foor/ The Byzantine Empire]
* [[Index:The history of Greece - from its conquest by the crusaders to its conquest by the Turks, and of the empire of Trebizond ; 1204-1461 (IA historyofgreecef00finl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil01clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/fastiromanicivil02clinuoft/ Fasti Romani, Vol. 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/churcheasternemp00toze/ The Church and the Eastern Empire]
* [[Index:Roman society in the last century of the Western empire (IA cu31924028321333).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romansocietyinla0000dill/ roman society in the last century of the western empire, 2nd edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [[Index:Some phases of the problem of provincial administration under the Roman republic (IA somephasesofprob00mars).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/phasescorruptio01jollgoog/ Phases of corruption in Roman administration in the last half-century of the Roman republic]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanpoliticalin0000homo_f4f9/ Roman political institutions from city to state]
* [[Index:A history of Rome to 565 A. D. (IA cu31924028286726).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrometo500boak_0/ A history of Rome to 565 A.D., 2nd Edition, 1929]
* [[Index:A general history of Rome from the foundation of the city to the fall of Augustulus, B.C. 753-A.D. 476 (IA cu31924031259587).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rome- from the fall of the western empire (IA romefromfallofwe00trev).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studyofcognomina00deanuoft/ A study of the cognomina of soldiers in the Roman legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanlegions0000park_q5m2/ The Roman Legions]
* [https://archive.org/details/sourcebookofroma0000munr/ A source book of Roman history]
* [[Index:Was the Roman army provided with medical officers? (electronic resource) (IA b21464625).pdf]]
* [[Index:Infamia- its place in Roman public and private law (IA cu31924021131531).pdf]]
* [[Index:The reorganization of Spain by Augustus (IA reorganization00vannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/publiclibrariesl00boyduoft/ Public Libraries and Literary Culture in Ancient Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofrome00leigiala/ A History of Rome]
* [https://archive.org/details/greeceunderroman00finluoft/ Greece under the Romans]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineportrai00dieh/ Byzantine Portraits]
* [https://archive.org/details/expressesofconta0000unse/ The Empresses of Constantinople]
* [[Index:Roman public life (IA romanpubliclife00greeiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Arab conquest of Egypt and the last thirty years of the Roman dominion (IA arabconquestofeg00butl).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/jurisprudenceofj00ewin/ The Jurisprudence of the Jewish Courts in Egypt]
* [https://archive.org/details/greekromanfolklo0000hall_x8n7/ Greek and Roman Folklore]
* [[Index:Public lands and agrarian laws of the Roman republic- (IA publiclandsagrar00step).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sixromanlaws00harduoft/ Six Roman Laws]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two studies in later Roman and Byzantine administration]
* [https://archive.org/details/freshlightonroma0000jone/ Fresh Light on Roman Bureaucracy]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianityroma0000addi/ Christianity and the Roman Empire]
* [[Index:Christianity and the Roman government (IA christianityroma00hardrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The early Christians in Rome (1911).djvu]]
* [[Index:Historical revelations of the relation existing between Christianity and paganism since the disintegration of the Roman Empire (IA historicalrevela00juli).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Christians in Rome (IA christiansinrome00mobe).pdf]]
* [[Index:Woman ; her position and influence in ancient Greece and Rome, and among the early Christians .. (IA womanherposition00donarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The story of the Romans; (IA storyromans00guergoog).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman Africa; an outline of the history of the Roman occupation of North Africa, based chiefly upon inscriptions and monumental remains in that country (IA cu31924028722134).pdf]]
* [[Index:An outline of Greek and Roman history, the result of class room work (IA outlineofgreekro00chad).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/the-illustrated-history-of-rome-and-the-roman-empire-1877/ The Illustrated History of Rome And The Roman Empire]
* [https://archive.org/details/christianitynati00wooduoft/ Christianity and Nationalism in the Later Roman Empire]
* [[Index:The conversion of the Roman empire (IA conversionofrom00meri).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintohi00ihneuoft/ Researches into the history of the Roman constitution]
* [[Index:Traces of Greek philosophy and Roman law in the New Testament (IA cu31924029302423).pdf]]
* [[Index:UPenn-Translations and Reprints-vol6.djvu]]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161302).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161344).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161310).pdf]], Volume 3
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161419).pdf]], Volume 4 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr04greg/ Volume 4 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161351).pdf]], Volume 5 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr05greg/ Volume 5 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161369).pdf]], Volume 6 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityo06greguoft/ Volume 6 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161377).pdf]], Volume 7 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr07greg/ Volume 7 Part 2]
* [[Index:History of the city of Rome in the Middle Ages (IA cu31924082161385).pdf]], Volume 8 Part 1
* [https://archive.org/details/p2historyofcityofr08greg/ Volume 8 Part 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienttownplan00have/ Ancient Town-planning]
* [[Index:The Ancient City- A Study on the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome.djvu]]
* [[Index:Physical science in the time of Nero; being a translation of the Quaestiones naturales of Seneca (IA physicalsciencei00seneiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman and the Teuton; a series of lectures delivered before the University of Cambridge (IA romanteutonserie01king).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineartarch00dalt/ Byzantine Art and Archaeology]
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria01gray).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The history of Etruria .. (IA historyofetruria02gray).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand01denniala).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:The cities and cemeteries of Etruria (IA etruriacitiesand02denniala).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Etruria-Celtica- Etruscan Literature and Antiquities Investigated, in Two Volumes, Vol. I (IA dli.granth.53608).pdf]], Volume 1
* [https://archive.org/details/etruriacelticaet02beth/ Etruria-Celtica] Volume 2
* [https://archive.org/details/etruscanresearch00tayl/ Etruscan Researches]
* [[Index:Etruscan inscriptions (IA etruscaninscript00crawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Etruscan Bologna- a study (IA etruscanbolognas00burtiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman imperialism (IA romanimperialism00fran).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tacitus and Other Roman Studies.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/invasionofeurope0000jbbu/ the invasion of europe by the barbarians]
* [[Index:A constitutional and political history of Rome, from the earliest times to the reign of Domitian (IA cu31924030431435).pdf]]
* [[Index:The development of the Roman constitution (IA developmentofrom00tighrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Coins of the Romans relating to Britain, described and illustrated (IA coinsofromansrel00aker).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the ancient Britons, from the earliest period to the invasion of the Saxons (IA historyofancient00gile).pdf]]
* [[Index:The invasion of Britain by Julius Caesar (IA invasionofbritai00lewi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman era in Britain (IA romanerainbritai00wardiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Romanization of Roman Britain (IA romanizationofro00haverich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman roads in Britain (IA romanroadsinbrit00codr).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Celt, the Roman, and the Saxon; (IA celtromansaxon00wrig).pdf]]
* [[Index:The middle ages revisited; or, the Roman government and religion and their relations to Britain (IA middleagesrevisi01delm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ancient Britain in the light of modern archaeological discoveries (IA ancientbritainin00delm).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec01thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 1]
* [https://archive.org/details/researchesintoec02thac/ Researches into the ecclesiastical and political state of ancient Britain under the Roman emperors, Volume 2]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofpictsor00abbauoft/ A History of the Picts or Romano-British Wall]
* [https://archive.org/details/romanfrontierpos0000jame/ A Roman frontier post and its people]
* [[Index:Illustrations of Roman London (IA illustrationsofr00smitrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/londiniumarchite0000wrle/ Londinium Architecture and the Crafts]
* [https://archive.org/details/ourromanhighways00forbuoft/ Our Roman Highways]
* [[Index:History of Romulus (IA historyofromulusabbott).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00don).pdf]]
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00donarich).pdf]], 2nd edition.
* [[Index:Varronianus- a critical and historical introduction to the ethnography of ancient Italy and to the philological study of the Latin language (IA varronianuscriti00dona).pdf]], 3rd edition
* [https://archive.org/details/primitiveitalybe0000homo/ Primitive Italy and the beginnings of Roman imperialism]
* [https://archive.org/details/stonebronzeagesi00peetuoft/ The stone and bronze ages in Italy and Sicily]
* [https://archive.org/details/byzantineempire00foor/ The Byzantine Empire (Edward Foord)]
* [[Index:The Byzantine Empire (IA byzantineempire00omanrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on Byzantine music (IA cu31924022269744).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine the Great; the reorganisation of the empire and the triumph of the church (IA constantinegreat00firt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Constantine, the last emperor of the Greeks; or, The conquest of Constantinople by the Turks (A.D. 1453) after the latest historical researches; (IA constantinelaste00mijarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine history in the early Middle Ages; the Rede lecture, delivered in the Senate House, Cambridge, June 12, 1900 (IA cu31924005774702).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine architecture; illustrated by examples of edifices erected in the East during the earliest ages of Christianity, with historical &amp; archaeological descriptions (IA gri 33125009314648).pdf]]
* [[Index:Roman emperor worship (IA cu31924028269490).pdf]]
* [[Index:The last Cæsars of Byzantium (IA lastcsarsofbyzan00todi).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Latins in the Levant - a history of Frankish Greece, 1204-1566 (IA latinsinlevanthi00mill 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Fall of Constantinople.djvu]]
* [[Index:Destruction of the Greek Empire.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Romane historie (IA romanehistorie00livy).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman assemblies from their origin to the end of the republic (IA cu31924030431534).pdf]]
* [[Index:The imperial civil service of Rome (IA imperialcivilser00matt).pdf]]
* [[Index:A handbook of Greek constitutional history (IA handbookofgreekc00gree).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/romeregalrepubli00striuoft/ Rome, Regal and Republican]
* [https://archive.org/details/dayinoldromepic00davi/ A Day in Old Rome]
* [[Index:The general, civil and military administration of Noricum and Raetia (IA generalcivilmili00peakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Life and letters in Roman Africa microform (IA lifelettersinrom00boucrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Romae antiquae notitia, or, The antiquities of Rome - in two parts ... - with copper cuts of the principal buildings, etc. - to which are prefix'd two essays (IA romaeantiquaenot00kenn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A manual of Greek literature - from the earliest authentic periods to the close of the Byzantine era (IA manualgreek00anthrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/studentscompanio00midd/ The student's companion to Latin authors]
* [[Index:Loeb Classical Library, L001 (1919).djvu]]
* A History of the Republic of Rome {{esl|https://archive.org/details/historyofrepubli00bake/}}
* [[Index:Philological museum (IA cu31924104094903).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:Philological Museum v2.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 1, 1854.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 2, 1855.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 3, 1857.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology, Volume 4, 1859.djvu]]
* [[Index:Harper's dictionary of classical literature and antiquities (IA cu31924027019482).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities (1842, dictionaryofgree00smit 5).djvu]]
* [[Index:The auxilia of the Roman Imperial Army (IA auxiliaofromanim00cheerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1827) Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Topography and Monuments of Ancient Rome (1st Ed., Plattner, 1904, topographymonume0000plat v8a2).pdf]]
* [[Index:Byzantine Constantinople - the walls of the city and adjoining historical sites (IA byzantineconstan00vanm).pdf]]
* A Companion To Latin Studies {{esl|https://archive.org/details/companiontolatin00sand/}}
* [[Index:A handbook of Rome and the Campagna (IA handbookofromeca00john 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:Stories of ancient Rome (IA storiesofancient00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Rome (IA earlyrome00ihne).pdf]]
* [[Index:Men, events, lawyers, politics and politicians of early Rome (IA meneventslawyers00wage).pdf]]
* [[Index:State and family in early Rome (IA statefamilyinear00launiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The seven kings of the Seven Hills (IA sevenkingsofseve00lain).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [[Index:The history of the kings of Rome. With a prefatory dissertation on its sources and evidence (IA historyofkingsof00dyerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The kings of Rome (IA kingsofrome00rico).pdf]]
* [[Index:Regal Rome, an Introduction to Roman History (1852, Newman, London, regalromeintrodu00newmuoft).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_T2-CGU-516/ Rome of the Kings: An Archaeological Setting for Livy and Vergil]
* [https://archive.org/details/primitivefortif00parkgoog/ The primitive fortifications of the city of Rome, 2nd Edition]
* [https://archive.org/details/handbookofromanl0000radi/ handbook of roman law]
* [[Index:The origin and history of contract in Roman law down to the end of the republican period - being the Yorke prize essay for the year 1893 (IA cu31924021131366).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_a-new-pandect-of-roman-c_ayliffe-john_1734/ A new pandect of Roman civil law]
* [[Index:Preliminary Lecture to the Course of Lectures on the Institutions of Justinian (Wilde, 1794, bim eighteenth-century preliminary-lecture-to-t wilde-john 1794).pdf]]
* An introduction to the study of Justinian's digest {{esl|https://archive.org/details/introductiontost00roby/}}
* [[Index:The ecclesiastical edicts of the Theodosian code (IA ecclesiasticaled00boydrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/legacyofrome00bail/ The Legacy of Rome]
* [[Index:Nomos Rhodon nautikos. The Rhodian sea-law (IA nomosrhodonnauti00byzarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early Roman Law, The Regal Period (Clark, 1872, earlyromanlawreg00claruoft).djvu]]
* [[Index:Roman Britain (Collingwood, First Ed., 1924, b29827590).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to the private law of Rome (IA historicalintrod00muiriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Gaii institutionum iuris civilis commentarii quattuor, or, Elements of Roman law by Gaius (Poste, Third Edition, 1890, gaiiinstitution00gaiu).djvu]]
* [[Index:A history and description of Roman political institutions (IA historyanddescri00abbo).pdf]]
* [[Index:Britannia Romana, or, The Roman Antiquities of Britain in Three Books (britanniaromanao00hors, John Horsley, 1732).djvu]]
* [[Index:The municipalites of the Roman empire (IA municipalitesofr00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Selected Letters of Cicero (Abbott, 1897, selectedletterso0000cice u2i6).pdf]]
* [[Index:Society and politics in ancient Rome; essays and sketches (IA cu31924087980326).pdf]]
* [[Index:The common people of ancient Rome- studies of Roman life and literature (IA cu31924028267841).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Roman system of provincial administration to the accession of Constantine the Great, being the Arnold prize essay for 1879 (IA romansystemofpro00arnoiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/twostudiesinlate0000unse/ Two Studies in Later Roman and Byzantine Administration]
* [[Index:The imperial administrative system in the ninth century, with a revised text of Kletorologion of Philotheos (IA imperialadminist00buryrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Municipal Administration in the Roman Empire (1926, Abbot and Johnson, municipaladminis00abbo).pdf]]

==== Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics ====
* [[Index:Pseudodoxia epidemica, or, Enquiries into very many received tenents, and commonly presumed truths (IA b30335760).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cycling (IA cyclingc00alberich).pdf]], Cycling, Badminton Library, 5th Edition
* [[Index:The bicycle- its care and repair (IA bicycleitscarere00vonc).pdf]]
* [[Index:https://archive.org/details/commonsenseofbic00ward/]], Bicycling for ladies
* [https://archive.org/details/helptotheunlearn00trimuoft/ A help to the unlearned in the study of the Holy Scriptures]
* [[Index:Origin of Modern Calculating Machines.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Comptometer News 1.4.djvu]]
* [[Index:A general history of mathematics from the earliest times to the middle of the eighteenth century (IA generalhistoryof00bossrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The teaching and history of mathematics in the United States (IA teachinghistoryo00cajorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Higher mathematics - a textbook for classical and engineering colleges (IA highermathematic00merrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Cornell University Library digitization (IA cu31924001078777).pdf]], Mathematical Dictionary and Cyclopedia of Mathematical Science
* [https://archive.org/details/principlesofmech00hertuoft/ The Principles of Mechanics]
* [[Index:Collected papers in physics and engineering (IA collectedpapersi00thomrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Theory of functions of a complex variable (IA functcomplexvari00forsrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to the study of the elements of the differential and integral calculus (IA introductiontost00harnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on elementary trigonometry (IA treatiseonelemen00lockrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Elementary trigonometry (IA elementarytrigon00paterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Earliest arithmetics in English (IA earliestarithmet00alexrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical introduction to mathematical literature (IA cu31924064123536).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/calculus0000henr/ Calculus]
* [https://archive.org/details/electiccircuitth0000john Electric Circuit Theory and the Operational Calculus]
* [[Index:Graphical and mechanical computation (IA cu31924004667550).pdf]]
* [[Index:A treatise on computation; an account of the chief methods for contracting and abbreviating arithmetical calculations (IA treatiseoncomput00langiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to mathematics, by A. N. Whitehead (IA introductiontoma00whitiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Daedalus; or, Science and the Future (1924, E.P. Dutton &amp; Company).pdf]]
* [[Index:Science (journal) Volume 1 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 1 (1837).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 2 (1841).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scientific Memoirs, Vol. 3 (1843).djvu]]
* [[Index:Getty Research Institute (IA economiccottageb00dwye).pdf]], The Economic Cottage Builder
* [[Index:Elements of angling; a book for beginners (IA elementsofanglin00sherrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A book on angling; being a complete treatise on the art of angling in every branch (IA bookonanglingbei00franrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Fishcraft, a treatise on fresh water fish and fishing (IA fishcrafttreatis00pond).pdf]]
* [[Index:The potter's craft - a practical guide for the studio and workshop (IA potterscraftprac00binn 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of camping and woodcraft - a guidebook for those who travel in the wilderness (IA bookofcampingwoo00keph).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp craft, modern practice and equipment (IA campcraftmodernp00millrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Camp kits and camp life (IA campkitscamplife00hankiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft (IA bookofwoodcraft00seto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of woodcraft and Indian lore (IA bookofwoodcrafti02seto).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Harper's camping and scouting; an outdoor guide for American boys; (IA harperscampingsc00grinrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Shelters, shacks, and shanties (IA sheltersshackssh01bear).pdf]]
* [[Index:The electric telegraph - its history and progress.. (IA electrictelegrap00highrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lockrich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1883
* [[Index:Electricity, magnetism, and electric telegraphy; a practical guide and hand-book of general information for electrical students, operators, and inspectors (IA electricitymagne00lock).pdf]], 3rd Edition, 1890
* [[Index:Davis's manual of magnetism - including galvanism, magnetism, electro-magnetism, electro-dynamics, magneto-electricity, and thermo-electricity (IA davissmanualofma00davi).pdf]]
* [[Index:Historical sketch of the electric telegraph including its rise and progress in the United States (IA historicalsketch00jonerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity and galvanism; with cases, shewing their effects in the cure of diseases (IA b22042684).pdf]]
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity - in six sections ... (IA introductiontoel1770ferg).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... - illustrated with copper plates (IA b30501350).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:An introduction to electricity. In six sections ... (IA introductiontoel00ferg).pdf]], 3rd Edition]]
* [https://archive.org/details/dynamoelectricit00pres/ Dynamo-electricity]
* [https://archive.org/details/radioactivit00ruth/ Radio-activity]
* [https://archive.org/details/electronnuclearp0000jbar/ Electrons and Nuclear Physics]
* [https://archive.org/details/ionselectronsion00crowuoft/ Ions, Electrons, and Ionizing Radiations]
* [https://archive.org/details/b29927997/ Atoms and Rays]
* [[Index:Atomic theories (IA atomictheories00loririch).pdf]]
* [[Index:X-ray manual - U.S. Army (IA xraymanualusarmy00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl01amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl02amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl03amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:American quarterly of roentgenology (IA americanquarterl04amer).pdf]]
* [[Index:The study of the atom - or, The foundation of chemistry (IA studyofatomorfou00venarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The method of fluxions and infinite series.djvu]]
* [[Index:Practical observations on the generation of statical electricity by the electrical machine (IA 101208559.nlm.nih.gov).pdf]]
* [[Index:American Journal of Mathematics Vol. 2 (1879).pdf]]
* [[Index:Principles of radio communication (IA principlesofradi00morerich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Electrical machine design; the design and specification of direct and alternating current machinery .. (IA electricalmachin00grayrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Incandescent wiring hand-book, (IA incandescentwiri00badt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Bell System Technical Journal, Volume 1, 1922.pdf]]
* [[Index:Science Advances, Volume 8, Issue 44, Recursive sequence generation in crows (sciadv.abq3356).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Investigation of the Laws of Thought (1854, Boole, investigationofl00boolrich).djvu]]
* [[Index:Anatomy of the Human Body (1918).djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/b30322704/ An Institution Trigonometricall, 1635]
* [https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-rbsc_elements-geometrie-evclide-megara_folioQA31E867131570-21289/ Euclid's Geometrie, 1570]
* [[Index:Mr. Wingate's Arithmetick Containing a Plain and Familiar Method, for Attaining the Knowledge and Practice of Common Arithmetick (7th Edition, Edmund Wingate, 1678, b30342211).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mathematical Recreations or, a Collection of many Problems Extracted out of the Ancient and Modern Philosophers (Jean Leurechon, 1674, b30325882).pdf]]
* [[Index:Lux Mercatoria - Bridges - 1661.djvu]]
* [[Index:First book of mathematics, being an easy and practical introduction to the study; for self-instruction and use in schools (IA firstbookofmathe00reidrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indian Basketry.djvu]]
* [[Index:Machinery's Handbook, (6th Edition, 1924, machineryshandbo00indu).pdf]]
* [[Index:De re metallica (1912).djvu]]

=====Nature, Zoology, Entomology, Myrmecology, and other Insects and Animals=====
* [[Index:Chapters on ants (IA chaptersonants00trearich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Observations on the biology of the imported fire ant (IA observationsonbi49inse).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/collectedpaperso00whee/ Collected Papers on Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/biologicalembryo00tanq_0/ Biological and embryological studies on Formicidae]
* [[Index:Comparative studies in the psychology of ants and of higher animals (IA comparativestudi00wasmiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/learningorientat00schn/ Learning and Orientation in Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.460830/ Ants, by Julian Huxley...need better scan]
* [https://archive.org/details/demonsofdust0000will/ Demons of the Dust: A Study in Insect Behavior]
* [https://archive.org/details/sociallifeamongi00whee/ Social Life Among the Insects]
* [[Index:Life in an ant hill, (IA lifeinanthill00writ).pdf]]
* [[Index:Insect architecture (IA b22026885).pdf]], 1830, 1st Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/antpeople0000ewer/ The Ant People]
* [https://archive.org/details/bwb_P9-CSD-957/ Busy: The Life of Ant], novel
* [[Index:Ants and the children of the garden, relating the habits of the black harvester ant, and giving considerable information about ants in general (IA antsthechildreno00simkrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Field book of insects (IA fieldbookofins00lutz).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Field book of insects, with special reference to those of northeastern United States, aiming to answer common questions (IA fieldbookofinsec00lutz).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Ants and their ways, with illustrations, and an appendix giving a complete list of genera and species of the British ants (IA antstheirwayswit00whit).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/naturescraftsmen00mcco/ Nature's Craftsmen]
* [[Index:Ant communities and how they are governed; a study in natural civics (IA antcommunitiesho00mcco).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ants, Wheeler (1910).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ants and some other insects; an inquiry into the psychic powers of these animals (IA antssomeotherins00fore).pdf]]
* [[Index:Medical Heritage Library (IA treatiseofbuggss00sout).pdf]], A treatise of buggs
* [[Index:Insect transformations (IA b22027191).pdf]]
* [[Index:Institutions of entomology- being a translation of Linnaeus's Ordines et genera insectorum; or, Systematic arrangement of insects (IA CUbiodiversity1115923).pdf]]
* [[Index:The elements of insect anatomy; an outline for the use of students in the entomological laboratories of Cornell University and Leland Stanford Junior University (IA elementsofinsect00comsto).pdf]]
* [[Index:The entomologist's text book - an introduction to the natural history, structure, physiology and classification of insects, including the Crustacea and Arachnida (IA entomologiststex00westw).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of ants (IA b29289981).pdf]]
* [[Index:The natural history of insects (IA b28755741).pdf]]
* [[Index:An Account of English Ants (Gould, 1747, IA accountofenglish00goul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia (IA journalofacademy01acaduoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Aristotle - History of Animals, 1883.djvu]]
* [[Index:The play of animals (IA playofanimals00groouoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Animals at work and play - their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornuoft).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Animals at work and play, their activities and emotions (IA animalsatworkpla00cornrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [https://archive.org/details/animalsatworkpla00corn/ Animals at Work and Play, 3rd Edition]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb01aalba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb02alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb03alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb04alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb05alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb06alba).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Journal of animal behavior (IA journalofanimalb07alba).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology01baltuoft/ Psychobiology V1]
* [https://archive.org/details/psychobiology02baltuoft/ Psychobiology V2]
* [[Index:Ants, bees, and wasps. A record of observations on the habits of the social Hymenoptera (IA antsbeeswaspsrec00john).pdf]]
* [[Index:The bee and white ants, their manners and habits - with illustrations of animal instinct and intelligence - from &quot;The museum of science and art&quot; ... (IA beewhiteantsthei00lardrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofwhiteant00maet/ The Life of the White Ant], plagiarized from [[The Soul of the White Ant]] by [[Author:Eugène Nielen Marais|Eugène Nielen Marais]]
* [https://archive.org/details/lifeofant0000maet/ The Life of the Ant]
* [[Index:Mind in animals (IA mindinanimals00bchniala).pdf]]
* [[Index:British ants, their life-history and classification (IA britishantstheir00donirich).pdf]], 1st Edition, 1915
* [https://archive.org/details/britishants0000jkdo/ British Ants, 2nd Edition, 1927]
* [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002009241/ The Guests of British Ants]
* [https://archive.org/details/hymenopteraacule00saun/ The Hymenoptera Aculeata of the British Islands]
* [[Index:Elementary lessons in zoölogy - a guide in studying animal life and structure in field and laboratory (IA elementarylesso00need).pdf]]
* [[Index:Some common mushrooms and how to know them (IA somecommonmushr143char).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/fungihowtoknowth00swan/ Fungi and How to Know Them]
* [https://archive.org/details/britishsocialwas00ormeuoft/ British Social Wasps]

====Fantasy, Fiction, Poetry, Tolkien, Etc.====
* [[Index:Tales of terror, (IA talesofterror00unse).pdf]]
* [[Index:The tale of terror - a study of the Gothic romance (IA taleofterrorstud00birk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/greatshortstorie0000unse_o6s0/ Great Short Stories of Detection, Mystery, and Horror]
* [[Index:The story of Sigurd the Volsung and the fall of the Niblungs (IA storyofsigurdvol00morriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Translation of the Anglo-Saxon Poem of Beowulf (Kemble 1837).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Worm Ouroboros - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Tolkien and Gordon - 1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tolkien - A middle English Vocabulary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Fourteenth_Century_Verse_and_Prose_-_Sisam_-_1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Review of English Studies Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mabinogion; (IA mabinogion00schrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The gods of Pegana (IA godsofpegana00duns).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 1) - (IA cu31924026852917).pdf]]
* [[Index:John Martin Crawford - The Kalevala (Vol 2) - (IA cu31924030974038).pdf]]
* [[Index:Early English romances in verse- (IA earlyenglishroma00rickrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Middle English reader - edited, with grammatical introduction notes, and glossary (IA middleenglishrea00emerrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox; (IA mostdelectablehi00jacorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The most delectable history of Reynard the Fox, and of his son Reynardine - a revised version of an old romance (IA mostdelectablehi00londiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reynard the Fox, a poem in twelve cantos (IA reynardfoxpoemin00hollrich).pdf]]

====Games, Tabletop, Wargame, Military, RPG, Videogame, etc.====
* [[Index:Ship and gun drills, United States navy, 1905 (IA shipgundrillsuni00unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare - some general principles, with other essays (IA navaladministrat00maha).pdf]]
* [[Index:Naval administration and warfare (IA navaladministrat01maha).pdf]], 1918 reprint
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/yashkamylifeaspe00bochuoft/ Yashka, my life as peasant, exile and soldier]
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgzofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 1
* [[Index:An account of the organization of the army of the United States (IA orgofthearmyusa01robirich).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:Military and naval America (IA militaryandnaval00kerriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Routine book, including general features of organization, administration, and ordinary station bills (IA routinebookinclu00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee navy (IA yankeenavy00mass).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Yankee mining squadron; or, Laying the North sea mine barrage (IA yankeeminingsqua00belk).pdf]]
* [[Index:779th Radar Squadron (ADC) Opheim AFS Montana New Personnel Brochure 1973.pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancientmodernshi00holmuoft/ Ancient and Modern Ships: Part I]
* [https://archive.org/details/sailingshipsstor00chatuoft/ Sailing ships : the story of their development from earliest times to the present day]
* [[Index:The British navy (IA cu31924030756146).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ships of the Royal Navy (IA shipsofroyalnavy00park).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British Navy from within (IA britishnavyfromw00exrorich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The British navy in battle (IA britishnavyinbat00poll).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/popularhistoryof00kinguoft/ A Popular history of the British Navy from the earliest times to the present]
* [[Index:The Royal Navy (IA cu31924028018574).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army in war (IA germanarmyinwar00atterich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Handbook on German army identification (IA handbookongerman02unit).pdf]]
* [[Index:The war book of the German general staff; being &quot;the usages of war on land&quot; issued by the great general staff of the German army; (IA warbookofgermang00newyiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The German army. Department of military art, the Army service schools (IA germanarmydepart00bjorrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes on field fortifications (IA notesonfieldfort00armyrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military organization of the United States (IA militaryorganiza00comm).pdf]]
* [[Index:Army and Navy Uniforms and Insignia (Williams, 1918, armynavyuniforms00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book; a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA militarynavalrec00bunkrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Military and naval recognition book, a handbook on the organization, insignia of rank, and customs of the service of the world's important armies and navies (IA recognitionmilitary00bunkrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Orders, decorations and insignia, military and civil; with the history and romance of their origin and a full description of each (IA ordersdecoration00wyllrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Military Organization and Administration (Collins, 1918, militaryorganiza00colluoft).pdf]]
* [[Index:Organization; how armies are formed for war (IA organizationhowa00fostiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Company administration - preparation, disposition, and filing of company records, reports, and returns (IA c00ompanyadministrunitrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Dungeons &amp; Dragons System Reference Document.pdf]]
* [[Index:John Banks Wilson - Maneuver and Firepower (1998).djvu]]
* [[Index:FM-34-45-Tactics-Techniques-and-Procedures-for-Electronic-Attack.pdf]]
* [[Index:Fm100-2-3 - The Soviet Army, Troops, Organization, and Equipment.pdf]]
* [[Index:United States Army Field Manual 3-13 Information Operations.djvu]]

====Asia====
* [https://archive.org/details/lettersfromfarea00eliouoft/ Letters from the Far East]
* [[Index:Eastern Asia, a history, being the second edition of A brief history of eastern Asia, entirely rewritten (IA easternasiahisto00hannrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/historyofchinabe0000unse/ A History of China]
* [https://archive.org/details/ancienthistoryof00hirtuoft/ The ancient history of China to the end of the Chóu dynasty]
* [[Index:A little history of China, and a Chinese story (IA littlehistoryofc00brebiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of China; (IA historyofchina00will).pdf]]
* [[Index:The three religions of China; lectures delivered at Oxford (IA cu31924023204062).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tibet, Tartary, and Mongolia ; their social and political condition, and the religion of Boodh, as there existing (IA tibettartarymong00prin).pdf]]
* [[Index:The book of tea - a Japanese harmony of art culture and the simple life (IA bookofteajapanes00okakrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, ancient and modern - with description of manners and customs, language and geography (IA cu31924023564549).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of Corea, Ancient and Modern; with Description of Manners and Customs, Language and Geography WDL2374.pdf]], Cheaper Edition, 1891.
* [https://archive.org/details/anglicanchurchin00corf/ The Anglican Church in Corea]
* [[Index:Corea, the hermit nation. I. Ancient and mediaeval history. II. Political and social Corea. III. Modern and recent history (IA coreahermitnatio00grif).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/coreawithoutwith00grif_0/ Corea, Without and Within]
* [[Index:Who is God in China.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/cu31924023233947/ The early institutional life of Japan]
* [[Index:The development of religion in Japan (IA developmentofrel00knoxrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:The religions of Japan - from the dawn of history to the era of Méiji - by William Elliott Griffis (IA religionsofjapan00grifrich).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/japanaccountgeog00macfuoft/ Japan]
* [https://archive.org/details/ost-art-japaneseart00hartuoft/ Japanese Art]
* [[Index:Old and new Japan (IA oldnewjapan00hollrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan as it was and is. (IA japanasitwasis00hild 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire- its physical, political, and social condition and history; with details of the late American and British expeditions (IA japaneseempireit01kemi 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Japanese empire and its economic conditions (IA japaneseempireit00daut).pdf]]
* [[Index:The present state of the medical administration of the Japanese empire (IA presentstateofme00japaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Japan - its architecture, art, and art manufactures (IA japanitsarchitec00dres 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:China, Japan and Korea (IA chinajapankorea00blan).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korea (IA korea00coul).pdf]]
* [[Index:Quaint Korea (IA quaintkorea00milnrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Korean folk tales- imps, ghosts and fairies (IA koreanfolktalesi00impaiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 2 (IA historyofjapangi02kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:Kaempfer History of Japan 1727 vol 1 (IA historyofjapangi01kaem).pdf]]
* [[Index:A dissertation on the theology of the Chinese, - with a view to the elucidation of the most appropriate term for expressing the Diety in the Chinese language. (IA dissertationonth00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Abstract of four lectures on Buddhist literature in China - delivered at University college, London (IA cu31924023158607).pdf]]
* [[Index:Index:The Chinese Classics - Legge - 2nd ed - 1893 - Vol 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Synoptical studies in the Chinese character (1874).djvu]]
* [[Index:Elementary Chinese - San Tzu Ching (1900).djvu]]
* [[Index:An Anglo-Chinese vocabulary of the Ningpo dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Easy sentences in the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A dictionary of the Hakka dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Chinese-English Dictionary Hakka-dialect.pdf]]
* [[Index:Nestorian Monument - Carus.djvu]]
* [[Index:An alphabetical index to the Chinese encyclopaedia.pdf]]
* [[Index:Sun Tzu on The art of war.djvu]]
* [[Index:A Chinese Biographical Dictionary.djvu]]
* [[Index:Pekinese Rhymes (G. Vitale, 1896).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Life in the Tibetan Foothills.djvu]]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA dictionaryofhokk00medhrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Excellent ancient adages, together with notes on the writings of Chinese romanized in the Hokkien dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Essays on the Chinese Language (1889).djvu]]
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA sh00orthistoryofchboulrich).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:A short history of China; an account for the general reader of an ancient empire and people (IA shorthistoryofch00boulrich).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:A history of China from the earliest days down to the present (IA cu31924091024392).pdf]]
* [[Index:The unveiled East (IA unveiledeast00mcke).pdf]]
* [[Index:Letters from the Far East (IA lettersfromfarea00evan).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East (IA chinafareast00blak).pdf]]
* [[Index:China and the Far East, 1889-99 - contribution toward a bibliography (IA cu31924023967734).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/gpl_1856272/ The Morals of Confucius, 1691]
* [[Index:California Digital Library (IA chinesenovelstra00davirich).pdf|Chinese novels, translated from the originals]]
* [[Index:Notes on Chinese literature (IA notesonchineseli00wyli).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chunsilinghistor00londiala/ Chun and Si-Ling]
* [[Index:The Far East (IA fareast00litt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Provinces of China, together with a history of the first year of H.I.M. Hsuan Tung, and an account of the government of China .. (IA provincesofchina00bruciala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Ceremonial Usages of the Chinese, B. C. 1121- Being an Abridgement of the Chow Le Classic (IA ceremonialusage00hugoog).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/civilizationofch00gileiala/ The Civilization of China]
* [[Index:A general view of Chinese civilization and of the relations of the West with China (IA generalviewofchi00laffrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sidelights on Chinese Life (sidelightsonchin00macg, 1907, MacGowan).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Chinese literature - Giles.djvu]]
* [[Index:Notable women of modern China (IA notablewomenofmo00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of women in Japan (IA educationofwomen00burt).pdf]]
* [[Index:The education of girls in China (IA educationofgirls00lewi).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinesetheireduc00martiala/ The Chinese: their education, philosophy, and letters]
* [[Index:The lore of Cathay - or, The intellect of China (IA loreofcathayorin00martrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:China's only hope - an appeal (IA chinasonlyhopeap00zhan).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Empire. A General &amp; Missionary Survey.djvu]]
* [https://archive.org/details/educationofwomen00burtuoft/ The Education of Women in China]
* [[Index:Modern education in China (IA moderneducationi00tang).pdf]]
* [[Index:The educational system of China as recently reconstructed (IA educationalsyste00king).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese system of public education (IA chinesesystemop00kuop).pdf]]
* [[Index:Chinese education from the western viewpoint (IA chineseeducation00yens).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/sihialanguage27lauf/ The Si-hia Language]
* [https://archive.org/details/chinahistoryofla01grayuoft/ China: a History of the Laws, Manners and Customs of the People, Volume 1]
* [[Index:China - a history of the laws, manners and customs of the people (IA chinahistoryofla02grayuoft).pdf]], Volume 2
* [[Index:On &amp; off duty in Annam (IA onoffdutyinannam00vassiala).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/storieslegendsof00chiv/ Stories and Legends of Annam]
* [[Index:Vietnamese Song Book (U.S. Army Language School, 1961).pdf]]
* [[Index:Indo-China and its primitive people (IA indochinaitsprim00baud).pdf]]
* [[Index:The persecutions of Annam; a history of Christianity in Cochin China and Tonking (IA persecutionsofan00shoriala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The French in Tonkin and South China (IA frenchintonkinso00cunn).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tonkin, or, France in the Far East (IA cu31924023040581).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tungking (IA cu31924088799386).pdf]]
* [[Index:France and Tongking; a narrative of the campaign of 1884 and the occupation of Further India (IA francetongkingna01scot 0).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/warintongkingwh00staugoog/ The War in Tong-king]
* [[Index:The political ideas of modern Japan (IA politicalideasof00kawarich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies in Vietnamese (Annamese) grammar (Emeneau).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Corean government- constitutional changes, July 1894 to October 1895. With an appendix on subsequent enactments to 30th June 1896 (IA cu31924023425063).pdf]]
* [[Index:The history of that great and renowned monarchy of China. Wherein all the particular provinces are accurately described- as also the dispositions, manners, learning, lawes, militia (IA historyofthatgre00seme).pdf]]
* [[Index:Code of Gentoo Laws (1776, codeofgentoolaws00halh, Halhed).djvu]]
* [[Index:Ancient China, The Shoo King or the Historical Classic (Ancientchinashoo00confuoft, Medhurst, 1846).djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese Moral Maxims - Davis - 1823.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Transactions of the Royal Asiatic Society - Volume 3.djvu]]
* [[Index:Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland 1864-65.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Chinese Repository - Volume 01.djvu]]
* [[Index:An Ainu-English-Japanese dictionary (including a grammar of the Ainu language).djvu]]
* [[Index:How Many Independent Rice Vocabularies in Asia?.pdf]]
* [[Index:A Grammar of the Chinese Language (grammarofchinese00morr 1, Morrison, 1815).pdf]]
* [[Index:Ta Tsing Leu Lee; Being, The Fundamental Laws, and a Selections from the Supplementary Statutes, of the Penal Code of China.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chinese miscellany; consisting of original extracts from Chinese authors, in the native character; with translations and philological remarks (IA b22009450).pdf]]
* [[Index:Translations from the Original Chinese, with Notes (translationsfrom00morruoft, 1815).djvu]]

====Manuscripts====
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero A x (art. 3).pdf]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Nero D IV.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A II.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Julius A VII.djvu]]
* [[Index:BL Cotton MS Vitellius A XV.djvu]]

==== North Carolina ====
* [https://archive.org/details/communityservice00nort_0/ Community Service Week in North Carolina]
* [[Index:Citizens' reference book - a text and reference book for pupils and teachers in community schools for adult beginners (IA citizensreferenc1922morr).pdf]]
* [[Index:Annual report of North Carolina Council of Defense (serial) (IA annualreportofno11918nort).pdf]]
* [[Index:Rules and regulations of Mecklenburg County Home Guard (IA rulesregulations00north).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of Defense - plan of organization (IA northcarolinacounort).pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Council of defense historical committee (IA northcarolinacou00no).pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina, a study in English colonial government (IA northcarolinas00rape).pdf]]
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina (IA cu31924028788664).pdf]], 1st Edition
* [[Index:Reconstruction in North Carolina .. (IA reconstructionin00hami).pdf]], 2nd Edition
* [[Index:Official history of the 120th Infantry &quot;3rd North Carolina&quot; 30th Division, from August 5, 1917, to April 17, 1919 - canal sector, Ypres-Lys offensive, Somme offensive (IA officialhistoryowalk).pdf]]
* [https://archive.org/details/accountofprovinc00wils/ An Account of the Province of Carolina in America]
* [https://archive.org/details/fundamentalconst00caro/ The Fundamental Constitutions of Carolina]
* [[Index:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (IA govwilliamtryon00hayw).pdf]], Governor William Tryon, and his administration in the province of North Carolina
* [[Index:The Moravians in North Carolina - an authentic history (IA moraviansinnorth00reic).pdf]]
* [[Indes:History of Wachovia in North Carolina; the Unitas fratrum or Moravian church in North Carolina during a century and a half, 1752-1902 (IA historyofwachovi00clew).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers00batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:History of the University of North Carolina (IA historyofunivers02batt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Laws of the University of North-Carolina (1800, lawsofuniversityuniv1799).djvu]]
* [[Index:Report of the Tax Commission to Governor Angus Wilton McLean, 1927.pdf]]
* [[Index:Regulations for the North Carolina National Guard, 1907.pdf]]
* [[Index:Reminiscences of Randolph County - Blair - 1890.djvu]]
* [[Index:West Chowan Baptist Messenger, Volume 1 - Issue 4.pdf]]
* [[Index:Revised Statutes of the State of North Carolina - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Session Laws of North Carolina, April, 1777.pdf]]
* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Asheboro Courier, Volume IX, No. 26.pdf]]
* [[Index:The North Carolina Historical Review - Volume 1, Number 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:1751 A collection of all the public acts of Assembly, of the province of North-Carolina now in force and use.pdf]]
* [[Index:North Carolina Manual (1874).pdf]]
* [[Index:NC-Register-Volume-01-Issue-01.pdf]]

== Series/Periodicals/Journals ==
* [[Science (journal)]]
* [[The China Review]]
* [[Amazing Stories]]
* [[The Chinese Repository]]
* [[Federal Register]]
* [[Weird Tales]]
* [[The Journal of Religion]]
* [[Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society]]
* [[Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology]]
* [[Journal of Germanic Philology]]
* [[Journal of English and Germanic Philology]]
* [[Southern Historical Society Papers]]
* [[Archaeologia]]
* [[Portal:The Review of English Studies|The Review of English Studies]]
* [[Archaeological Journal]]
* [[National Geographic Magazine]]
* [[Classical World]]
* [[The International Socialist Review (1900-1918)]]
* [[Loeb Classical Library]]
* [[West Chowan Baptist Messenger]], in case more issues show up.
* [[The Courier]]
* [[North Carolina Historical Review]]

== Copyright books, bibliographies, etc. ==
* [[Catalog of Copyright Entries]]
* [[Index:A bibliography of North Carolina, 1589-1956 - 1958.djvu]]

== Authors I'm working on / might work on ==
* [[author:John Ronald Reuel Tolkien|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien]]
* [[author:Alexander Ross|Alexander Ross]]
* [[Author:George Lyman Kittredge|George Lyman Kittredge]]
* [[Author:Frank Johnson Goodnow|Frank Johnson Goodnow]]
* [[Author:Frank Frost Abbott|Frank Frost Abbott]]
* [[Author:John Bagnell Bury|John Bagnell Bury]]
* [[Author:Edwin Charles Clark|Edwin Charles Clark]]
* [[Author:James Muirhead (1831-1889)|James Muirhead]]
* [[Author:Edward Poste|Edward Poste]]
* [[Author:James Young Simpson|James Young Simpson]]
* [[Author:Francis Ellingwood Abbot|Francis Ellingwood Abbot]]

== WikiProjects ==

* [[Wikisource:WikiProject North Carolina|WikiProject North Carolina]]
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject Socialism|WikiProject Socialism]]
* [[Wikisource:WikiProject Chinese|WikiProject Chinese]]

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31. As indicated above, the Hebrews wrote from right to left. Hence, in writing numbers, the numeral of highest value appeared on the right; &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|ה}}{{he|א}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 5,001, &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|א}}{{he|ה}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 1,005. But 1,005 could be written also {{he|אה}}, where the two dots were omitted, for when {{he|א}} meant unity, it was always placed to the left of another numeral. Hence when appearing on the right it was interpreted as meaning 1,000. With a similar understanding for other signs, one observes here the beginning of an imperfect application in Hebrew notation of the principle of local value. By about the eighth century {{smaller|A.D.}}, one finds that the signs {{he|הףמה}} signify 5,845, the number of verses in the laws as given in the Masora. Here the sign on the extreme right means 5,000; the next to the left is an 8 and must stand for a value less than 5,000, yet greater than the third sign representing 40. Hence the sign for 8 is taken here as 800.&lt;ref&gt;G. H. F. Nesselmann, ''Die Algebra der Griechen'' (Berlin, 1842), p. 72, 494; M. Cantor, ''Vorlesungen über Geschichte der Mathematik'', Vol. I (3d ed.), p. 126, 127.&lt;/ref&gt;

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32. On the island of Crete, near Greece, there developed, under Egyptian influence, a remarkable civilization. Hieroglyphic writing on clay, of perhaps about 1500 {{smaller|B.C.}}, discloses number symbols as follows: 𐅀 or 𐄇 for 1, 𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀𐅀 or 𐄇𐄇𐄇𐄇𐄇 or 𐄋 for 5, [[File:Interpunct (typography).svg|frameless|upright=0.05|link=|class=skin-invert-image]] for 10, &lt;nowiki&gt;\&lt;/nowiki&gt; or &lt;nowiki&gt;/&lt;/nowiki&gt; for 100, ◇ for 1,000, {{Rotate|80|𐅵}} for ¼ (probably), &lt;nowiki&gt;\\\\::::𐅀𐅀𐅀&lt;/nowiki&gt; for 483.&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''Scripta Minoa'', Vol. I (1909), p. 258, 256.&lt;/ref&gt; In this combination of symbols only the additive principle is employed. Somewhat later,&lt;ref&gt;Arthur J. Evans, ''The Palace of Minos'' (London, 1921), Vol. I, p. 646; see also p. 279.&lt;/ref&gt; 10 is represented also by a horizontal dash; the
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31. As indicated above, the Hebrews wrote from right to left. Hence, in writing numbers, the numeral of highest value appeared on the right; &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|ה}}{{he|א}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 5,001, &lt;span lang=&quot;he&quot; dir=&quot;rtl&quot; class=&quot;mw-content-rtl&quot;&gt;{{hebrew thousand|א}}{{he|ה}}&lt;/span&gt; meant 1,005. But 1,005 could be written also {{he|אה}}, where the two dots were omitted, for when {{he|א}} meant unity, it was always placed to the left of another numeral. Hence when appearing on the right it was interpreted as meaning 1,000. With a similar understanding for other signs, one observes here the beginning of an imperfect application in Hebrew notation of the principle of local value. By about the eighth century {{smaller|A.D.}}, one finds that the signs {{he|הףמה}} signify 5,845, the number of verses in the laws as given in the Masora. Here the sign on the extreme right means 5,000; the next to the left is an 8 and must stand for a value less than 5,000, yet greater than the third sign representing 40. Hence the sign for 8 is taken here as 800.&lt;ref&gt;G. H. F. Nesselmann, ''Die Algebra der Griechen'' (Berlin, 1842), p. 72, 494; M. Cantor, ''Vorlesungen über Geschichte der Mathematik'', Vol. I (3d ed.), p. 126, 127.&lt;/ref&gt;

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362 secular priests, 221 regulars, 1 diocesan seminary Maritimes, France. It is suffragan of Aiz. The 

with 52 semmarians, 4 seminaries for religious orders, bishop, who also bears the title of Count of Drap, is 

161 students. Five diocesan students are at Rome Rt. Kev. Henri-Louis Chapon, b. at St. Brieuc 14 

and two at Louvain. The educational institutions March. 1845. appointed 25 June, 1896, oonsecrated 

in the diocese are: 6 colleges and academies for boys at Orleans 29 September following to succeed Mgr. 

(1195 pupils), 1 college for women, 15 academies Balain, was given the personal privilege of the 

for^irb (1900 pupils), 137 parochial schools (70,588 pallium in 1916, and was promoted as assistant to 

pupils), 1 industrial school (200 inmates): total young the pontifical throne 6 August, -1921. There are in 

people under Catholic care 67,412. The following the diocese 172 parishes, of which 33 are curacies and 

charitable in stitutions exist in the diocese: 4 homes 139 succursal parishes, 397 secular priests, 1 upper 

for the aged, 1 institute for the blind, 1 home for and 1 lower seminary, and 3 ecclesiastical institutions, 

incurables, 1 nursery and babies' hospital, 3 homes The total Catholic population is 356,338 of whom 

for working girls. 1 for orphans, 1 for boys. Since 142,940 are in Nice. On 11 June, 1913, tiie relics of 

1911 the Capucnins have been established in the the ancient bishops Sts. V^ran and Lambert were 

diocese. In 1922 the Catholic population numbercKl discovered and canonically recognized. 
598,143. The present incumbent is the Rt. Rev. ^-.^ , ^ ^ ,^, • ^ ^ ^^ 

John J. O'Connor, who has administered the diocese Nlcolet, Diocbsb op (Nioomtana, cf. C. E. XI— 

since 1901. 69a) in the Province of Quebec, Canada, suffragan 

of ijuebec. The present bishop, Rt. Rev. Joseph 

Newport, Diocese of. See Cardiff. Simon Herman Brunault. is the second bishop of 

Ngan-Hwei, Vicariate Apostouc of; (cf. C. this diocese and has fil^^^^ Since 

E., VIII-634d), in China, erected by pipal brief ^^^^ ^^^ ^'^^ ^»f ^°^*^o &quot;&quot;A '^ ^i'^iP?'°^w 

of 8 August, 192i, comprising the province of Ngan- ^^^ }&gt;y /^^ ^a&quot;^^^ °^ ^i^V^^^a'&quot;®' d f\ ^'T' 

hwei.heretoforepartof the former Vicariate Apostolic ^^^&quot;&quot;^ °^ *^,® diocese, and Mgr. Suzor, PX)., also 

of Kiang-nan. The vicariate is under the careof the V;car General, and m addition to these one priest 

Jesuits of the provinces of Castile, Leon, and Turin ^l ^«. ^&lt;^^&gt; Captain R. Crochetiere, serving as 

and is accordingly divided into three distinct parts, chaplain during the war, was killed m Mtion 2 

conforming to the three intendencies which Ngan- AP&quot;1» }^^^ ^^^ huned m the cemetery of BaiUeui- 

hwei comprises, each having at its head a regular ^^}* France. . ,. .. , «« . , 

superior m the capacity of vicanut ddegatua. The The present (1921) statistics show 69 parishes 

vicar apostolic has not yet been appointed. For the 5?. churches, 1 mission with mission station at 

year 1920-21, there were in Ngan-hwei: 464 Christian Odonak, 1 monastery for women, 6 convents for 

communities, 73,912 Catholics, 53,531 catechumens, women, 164 secular pnests, 130 brothers, 560 sisters, 

The records show 1794 baptisms of adults, 4964 1 .seminary with 30 seminarians, 3 colleges for men 

baptisms of children, 1028 confirmations, 39,576 an- w»t^ 130 professors and 900 students, 5 academies 

nual confessions, 39,386 annual communions, 187,399 ^^th 35 teachers and 1100 studenU (boys), 1 nor- 

confessions of devotions, 338,777 communions of de- mal school with 10 teachers and 98 students, 611 

votion, 578 who received extreme unction, 712 mar- elementary schools with 670 teachers and 2400 

riages, 115 schools for boys and 3223 Catholic and pupils, 4 hosiptals and 2 orphan asylums. All the 

1386 pagan pupils, 65 schools for girls with 2047 public institutions permit the priests of the diocese 

Catholic anci 623 pagan pupils, 217 men teachers to minister in them and the Catholic schools are 

and 124 women teachers. For further statistics see aided by the Government. The total Catholic 

KiANQ-su. population comprises approximately 89,000 Ftench 

^ s M^ ^ .,.,«««! t Canadians, 1000 Irish, and 400 Itahans. 
Niagara Uniyerslty, founded m 1856 by the 

Rev. John J. Lynch, CM., afterwards first Arch- KlcopoUs, Diocese of (NicoFOLrrANA, cf. 

bishop of Toronto, and directed by the Priests of the C. E., XI — 70d) , in Bulgaria, not the ancient Nioopoli. 

Coneregation of the Mission, has had a steady and which has become a titular Latin see, on the site of 

rapid growth since its inauguration. The erection of which stands the« present village of Nicup, near 

another building became necessary in 1906. and since Timow, where extensive ruins mark the place of the 

then the Convent of the Little Sisters of the Holy cathedral, but a modern city built about 629 by the 

Family has been added. The University comprises Emperor Heraclius. Rt. Rev. Henri Doulcet. who 

the doUege and the High School departments; the had been bishop since 1895, resigned 13 March, 

total registration for 1921 was 3000. In 19!^ the 1913, and was succeeded by Kt. Rev. Leonard von 

University conferred the following degrees: B.A. 6; Baumbach (b. 1856), who had been coadjutor since 

Ph.B.ll; M.A. 3; LL.D. 6. 1910. Bishop von Baumbach died at Rome in 1915 

-,. -^ r. ^ X * Aiid was succeeded by the present bishop, Damian 

Nicaragua. Diocese of. See Granada; L^n; john Theelen, a Passionist, b. at B«»el, HoUand, 

Managua. 4 April, 1877, ordained 23 Sept., 1899, appointed 

Nicastro, Diocese of (Neocastrensis; cf. to the sro of NicopoUs 21 May, 1916, and oonse- 

C. E., XI— 47b), in the province of Catanzaro, crated at Rome on 15 August following. Like his 

Southern Italy, is suffragan of Reggio, Rt. Rev. predecessors he resides at Rustchuk. The Catholic 

Eugenie Giambro, b. in the Diocese of Caltanisetta, population of the dioorae consists of 14,000Bul- 


8ucceed%gr. Regine, promoted to the rank of Apos- ^9™®&quot; ^^** ^^ Sistere. There ma diocewn seminary 

tolic Administrator of Nicastro from 16 March, 1920, with9seminaTOns. At prwentthereMe7deme^ 

to 11 September, 1921. According to 1920 statistics achools with 40 tochers and 1180 pupils. Smw 1911, 

there are 53 parishes, 9 vicariates, 130 secular and 5 *^« Benedictine Sistersfrom the Abbey of St. Ottihwi 

regular priests, 20 seminarians, 71 churches or chap- &quot;? Bavana have mamtamwl two schools m the 

els, and a CathoUc population of 110,100 souls. diocese, one at Endje near Schoumle and the o^r 

at Bardau near Belvelatme. A French Congregation 

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ical and economic conditionB, rather than of povertv. diocese was erected 3 October, 1861 , but has never 

Crime is never so common nor so heinous among the had a bishop and Mgr. Kersusan, Bishop of Cap 

poor as among the rich. The very evils which birth Haltien, is the Administrator Apostolic of the diocese, 

control encourages lead necessarily to moral disorder which he has entrusted to the care of 12 Fathers of the 

and decadence, which bring on the scarcity, the vice, Company of Mary (Blessed Louis de Montfort). 

and the misery which birth control is designed to There are 100,000 Catholics; 5 lay brothers aBsisting 

prevent. the 12 priests above mentioned; 5 parishes; 7 churches; 

The small family is not the most happy one for the 12 missions; 5 convents for men, and 4 for women, 
parents or for the one or twa children to whom it is _ _^ _. . ,^ 

limited, even shcAild such children live. Third, „ Port-au-Prince, Archdiocesb of (Pobtot 

fourth and fifth children are often more favored in I^bincipis, cf., C. E., XII— 284c), comprises the 

their heredity than their predecessors and they sup- ^&quot;^estem part of the Republic of Haiti and has a Cath- 

plement one another's defects. Selfishness is' often 9&quot;^ population of 736,920. The present (1921) 

characteristic of the only or of the few children than incumbent, the Most Rev. Julian Conan, has filled 

of the houseful. As a rule the healthier and more ^°^ see since 1903, and is also Apostolic Adminis- 

attractive married woman is the mother of several ^^^ 9^ *■¥ ^^^^^^ of Gonaives. He was born at 

children. The evil moral and economic conse- Guern in the diocMe of Vannes on 16 June, 1860, 

quences of this movement are so plain that govern- preconised 22 October, 1903, and consecrated bishop 

ments are taking cognisance of it. . It is unlawful g* Portju-Pnnce on 13 December of the same yesr. 

in France to pubBsh books or periodicals recommend- &quot;&quot;^ce 1911 the archdiocese has been making rapid 

ing it. In the United States such pubUcations are Erogress. A new cathedral constructed by the 

denied the privilege of the mails. Eaituin government was dedicated the 22 December, 

SuTHBKLAKD. BirS Contfoi (New York. 1922); Qbrbabo. 1914; on 4 August, 1914, the Government signed an 

The Chturdi and Eugeniea; Idem, Marnaqe and Ptvmthood: agreement with the archbishop authorising the 

g»«^ ^rSJSLJSrcSS.*: {SS^^iJSi!&amp;K?^°S: ^ tojfo«nd » numW of ruMf primary achooU. to 

population de la Prance (Paris. 1911); Piebbit. L'OSuvre maeoni- be Supjiorted by the State and subject tO government 

' &quot; ■' ^&quot; inspection. The archbishop established an Apostolic 


ira«7n«wFMi au nruw. ««i ». *t , -.w *«. * •»«« *. * ., ^r&lt;/«».- Scfiool lu 1920 for thc preparation of young Haitians 

tvS!ni^^^vamAvrTKe'Mmaee*of i^mptu'cndUe;' VomimR, who wish to study for the priesthood and in 1921 

Marriage and the Sex Problem; Cofpbbs. Moral Prineiplea and there were 9 studentS enrolled. During the World 

MedietU Practice, ^ar 31 of the secular dergjr were mobilised and of 

Port Augusta, Diocbsb of (Pokpaugustana; *^^. 2 were killed, 16 received the er0ix de guerre 

cf.C.E., XII— 283d) is suffragan of the Archdiocese and m all 24 citations were won anaong them. Of 

of Adelaide, South Australia. By the census of 1911, J?« reguiar clergy 9 Fathers of the Congreaation of 

it had a CathoUc population of 12,653, mostly of *^ Holy Ghost and 3 Brothers entered the anny 

Irish origin, with a few Poles. The present bishop, fi^^r?J ^°^ §» ^^? ^'^^ croiz de guerre, and of the 

Rt. Rev. John Henry Norton, has fiUed the see since 24 Christian Brothers who also served, 1 was deo- 

1906. He has been very active in recent years in orated with the Legion of Honor and 8 with the 

building new churches, presbyteries, schools and froii; dc^ucrrc. The total number of secular and regu^ 

convents in the diocese as well as in reducing the Iw clergy of the diocese has dimmished smce 1911, 

debt. In October, 1919, the diocese received a visit o^PB to the general mobilization dunnsc the War, 

from the apostolic delegate. Rev. D. B. Cattaneo. which not only took many pnests away, but greatly 

TKo Airu^tia^ innliiHM 12 rmn'flhpfl. .% nhiirr.hflA. two lessened the number of students for the pncsthood. 

parishes, 
^ous men a 

numbering y; 14 convents, zi secular pnesis, 1 mgn ^ ^- &quot;&quot;-y^&quot;. -■-*« * «,v-«*o v. -««« **w.^ &quot;^^ ^&quot;i^tr* 

school wifli 2 teachers and attendance of 41, and 13 ? secondary school and the Semmary a)llege of St. 

elementary schools with 47 teachers and 1226 pupils. Partial, with 475 pupils, at Port-au-I^nce. There 

The Priests' Eucharistic LeMcue is organized as well &quot;&quot;^ ^° Fathers and 6 Brothera among the professors, 

as the Australian Catholic Federation. Children of and 2 other Fathers of the Congregation administer 

Mary, Sacred Heart Society, and Hibernian Aus- S*®xP*™il ®' P^tion-Vdle. Under the Christian 

tralian CathoUc Benefit Society among the laity. |rot?e« there is a secondanr school, the Ins^tute of 

The &quot;Southern Cross,&quot; a periodical published m g^. Lo^ o^ Gonza^, with 676 pupils at Port-au- 

Adelaide, is circulated in this diocese. Prmce. as well as 4 government pmnaiy schools 

throughout the diocese. There are silso 3 Fathers of 

Port Louis, Diocese op (Portus Ludovici; cf. the Society of Mary, 2 of whom administer the parish 

C. E. . XII— 289a) , comprises the Island of Mauritius, of Carrefour. while the third acta as chaplam to the 

dependent directly on the Holy Sec. The diocese was Brothers. Among the religious orders of women 

coSded to the Holy Ghost Fathers in 1916. The ^^ere are: 95 sisters of St. Joseph of Cluny, who cpn- 


28 Jan. . 1917 , succeeding BishopBilsborrow promoted Wisdom (lOSin aU) who conduct a secondly school 
to the Archdiocese of Cardiff . The area of the diocese »* Port-au-Pnnce and 3 hospitals and 4 Goveip- 


is 739 square miles and the population is 276,233, of ment schools m other parte of the diocese; the 

whom the Catholics number 120,000. There are: Daughters of Mary (10 m all), who cpndu&lt;5t a pro- 

27 parish churches, 40 chapels, 63 prieste, of whom f^onal school, normal school and mdustnal school 

26 are Holy Ghost Fathers, 7 Jesuite, and 2 Benedic- at Port^u-Pnnoe. 

tines. One of the first missionaries to evangelize tw«j« * rr, 

Mauritius was Fr. James Laval in 1842. At his __ ^^ »' ?^?f% v??°SS^' . ^Fi f^.^S^ 

death 40,000 blacks followed his venerated remains HisPANiiB; cf. C. E., XII--^la), m the Antilles, 

to the tomb, which has become a place of pUgrimage According to statwUcs f or 1921, the archdiocese has 

not only for Catholics but for Mussulmen and pagans, fj parishes, 69 churehes, 10 missions, 66 stations, 

-^ 13 secular and 78 regular pnests, 10 lay brothers. 169 

Port de Palz, Diocese op (Portus Pacis), nuns in 7 convente, and 1 monastery for men. There 

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dance of 460; 4 secondary schools for girls with 40 a Catholic population of approximately 154,189. 

teachers and 664 pupils, 2 training schools with 8 The present incumbent, Rt. Ilev. Louis Sebastian 

teachers and 20 students; 176 elementary schools Walsh. D.D., has filled the see since 1906 and under 

with 704 teachers and an attendance of 27,136 and 2 his able administration the diocese has made rapid 

industrial schools with 15 teachers and 300 pupils, progress. The principal events of interest in recent 

Charitable institutions include 2 homes for the aged, years have been the celebration of the tercentenary 

1 home for poor girls and 1 orphanage. The hospitals, of the establishment of the Catholic Church in 

asylums, refuges and day nurseries are all under the Maine in August, 1913; the tenth anniversary of 

control of the colonial Government or town boards; the consecration of Bishop Walsh on 18 Octooer, 

of these 12 hoepitaJs, 4 asylums, 1 tuberculosis hos- 1916; the celebration of the golden jubilee of the 

pital, and 1 leper asylum admit the ministration of cathedral in September, 1919. During the World 

priests. War this diocese gave 3 chaplains to the Army, 1 

Most of the elementary schools are aided by the to the Navy and 1 for special auty in France. About 

Government and in some places building grants-in- 800 Catholic men of the diocese entered the various 

aid are given. There are various guilds, benefit branches of the service, thus forming one-third of 

societies and confraternities organised amon^fst the the total number of men enlisted from the State, 

laity, and a weekly, ''The Catholic News.&quot; is pub- whereas the entire Catholic population is only one- 

lished. The Catholic population, white, black and sixthof the total population of the State. The present 

colored, numbers 195,000, of whom about 5000 are statistics of this diocese show 88 parishes with resi- 

East Indians. dent priests, 71 missions with churches, 34 chapels, 

In 1912 the Knights of St. John from the United 159 churches. 80 mission stations, 1 convent for 

States were introduced into the diocese; in 1919 the men and 37 for women, 137 secular and 33 regular 

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{{welcome}} [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:24, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

== Micrographia ==

Do you have access to the OCR tool? You seem to be creating lots of blank pages where there should be text. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

: Yes. I messed up because the first file had a page missing. I found another version that's complete but it has blank pages adjacent the figures so all the pages don't align. The pages without text are the ones that were originally marked as missing an image and problematic. I'll go back and fix them once I've got the index page sorted out.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]])

:: I just found this book and wanted to congratulate you on adding it - it's fascinating. 
''keeps clicking''
:::[[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 03:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

::::Thanks. It was a bit of a slog because of the poor OCR, variation in spelling and lots of italics, but I think it was worth the effort. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

== Link to ''Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography'' ==

Hello. After receiving notice of a new link to ''Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography'', I found that it doesn't function perfectly yet. I published the 'Plotinius' article and most else under '[[Author:James Frederick Ferrier|James Frederick Ferrier]]' where you can find this &amp; basically all his authorship with working links. So why am I approaching you?
* I have been preparing MUCH more of the text of ''IDUB'' with hope of publishing eventually. 
* Even when I published all the 'Ferrier' stuff I still did not acquire a working understanding of how to remedy links such as yours to function properly.
* I hope that, if you have an interest in such remedy, I can find an ally, a resource in my quest to prepare the way better so that links like yours will work properly.
* It seems to me that there needs to be created a way to distinguish and direct ''IDUB'' links explicitly to either Volume 1, 2, or 3 so that they arrive properly. 
* It may be that you have interest in some of the other 24000+ ''IDUB'' titles and that you would find my queries not too burdensome, etc. Perhaps someday I could even be an aid to you.
* Otherwise, please pardon my intrusion. [[User:Klarm768|Klarm768]] ([[User talk:Klarm768|talk]]) 10:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
** Hi there. I'm sorry but I can't help solve your problem directly. I have no coding experience and do not even know how to access the code behind 'templates'. I only used your IDUB link template as a result of guessing that it might be there, something that's occasionally worked before with other compendia. My suggestion, if you haven't already considered doing so, would be to copy the structure used for other multi-volume encylopedias (e.g.[[Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition]]), 23 vols. This should enable you to set up the hierarchy of pages and produce equivalent templates, since the 'EB9 article link' (and the EB1911 equivalent) achieve what you are trying to (i.e. link automatically to the correct volume). Good luck in your efforts. Regards, Chris [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
*** I received notification of a link made from [[Author:Algernon Charles Swinburne]] regarding Contributions to Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography. '''THANK YOU''' for solving a mystery. The text signature &quot;A. C. S.&quot; occurs only in this single instance in Volume 1. The signature, &quot;A. C. S.&quot;  does not appear in any list of contributors. I had not been able to assign an Author-identity with confidence. My best guess had been Algernon Charles Swinburne. Can you confirm from what source you learned of Swinburne's contribution to IDUB? [[User:Klarm768|Klarm768]] ([[User talk:Klarm768|talk]]) 09:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
****Hi there. I've been doing some transcriptions of Swinburne's work and modifying his 'author page'. While doing so I found a reference to the IDUB article on page 5 of  ''The Bibliography of Swinburne: A bibliographical list arranged in chronological order of the published writings in verse and prose of Algernon Charles Swinburne (1857-1887)'' (1887), by George Redway. It is also mentioned several times in Volume 2 of the much more comprehensive two-volume bibliography by Thomas J. Wise (1920). The date given for the work is 1857 (the version of IDUB being transcribed is 1876). Both bibliographies are on 'Internet Archive'. Swinburne also wrote an article on Congreve for the 9th edition of Encyclopedia Britannica; both bibliographies are at pains to point out that the two articles are completely different. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

== Removing line-breaks in EB1911 ==

Hi Chrisguise, thanks for edits in EB1911 ''e.g.'' [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 13.djvu/58]] but removing line-breaks make proofing harder. I've been converting from Gutenberg which maintains the line-breaks and having them removed makes comparison more difficult. Are you able to keep the line-breaks in future edits? Thanks [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 19:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

: Hello, as part of proofing any page, the first thing I do is run the 'clean up OCR' tool, which takes the line breaks out automatically. Could you explain a bit more about what you are doing? Are you comparing with Gutenberg to move the page on from proof-read to validated or are you checking my proof-reading? In my experience the transcriptions on Gutenberg are not without errors - as surely are my own efforts - even though I understand that they use multiple keying. Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

:: Hi again, I forgot to check back earlier on this discussion. By leaving the line-breaks in-place it make it easier to compare to text from Gutenberg. I usually paste in converted text from Gutenberg and then use the &quot;Show changes&quot; button to do a comparison. That way, occasional errors from Gutenberg can be found and corrected (e.g. Gutenberg sometimes has typos and italics missing). Removing line-breaks makes makes manual proofing more difficult (as the lines don't match up) and it's very difficult to see what changes have been made when using &quot;Compare selected revisions&quot; in Revision history. Also, running your 'clean up OCR' tool has replaced agreed EB1911 standards for curly quotes and apostrophes (“” ’) with straight double and single quotes (&quot; '). An example is your recent edits to [Page:EB1911 - Volume 07.djvu/791]. You also removed spacing in the Page Header which centers the text. Regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

:::Hello, Following on from your initial communication on this topic, I have tried to confine myself to either only editing pages already at 'proof-read' status, wherein I assumed it would be OK to remove all the page breaks before changing the status to 'validated', or if I edit 'not proof read' pages I actually read them, rather than compare them to something else that might not be correct. Having done so, I figured removing the page breaks wouldn't matter. 

:::I also change the sometimes various forms used in the page header (or add them if missing) with the EB1911 page header template. If things don't line up then presumably the template needs to be amended.

:::Regarding the curly quotes, I'd been following the generic guidance in the Help, which says to use straight quotes. I don't know if you've come across it but there is a useful tool to change all straight quotes to curly ones. Details are associated with the 'Once a Week' transcription project (which also insists on using the curly quotes). It seems to work pretty well. The style guide is at Wikisource:Wikiproject Once a Week and the person who maintains it sent me the details (see User_talk:Chrisguise#curly_quotes_in_%22once_a_week%22_&amp;_other_matters.). Regard, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

::::Curly quotes are the EB1911 standard, see [[Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual#Quoted_text|EB1911 Style Manual]]. Curly apostrophes ’ should also be used in EB1911 to distinguish them from the reversed comma ʽ (sometimes called rough breathing diacritic) in Arabic words in EB1911. Myself and other EB1911 editors prefer leaving the line-breaks in-place (that’s how they were originally scanned) because it makes manually proofing faster and it’s easier to see what changes have been made in an edit (as stated before). Regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 23:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

:I found a problem with the 'clean up OCR' tool you've been using, it converts curly quotes if they are literal “ ”  to straight &quot; &quot; but not if html code e.g. (&amp; ldquo;)&lt;!-- hairspace added after &quot;&amp;&quot; so html code displays--&gt; is been used. This produces inconsistent results where the page has some curly and some straight quotes. e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_16.djvu/325&amp;oldid=10393386]. Please do not use the 'clean up OCR' tool on EB1911 pages. If you are going to mark an EB1911 page as Validated, please read the EB1911 Style manual first (particularly &quot;Quoted text&quot; &amp; &quot;Ranges&quot; sections). As well as converting the quotes back to curly ones, I used ndash (–) for year ranges (and removed a spurious quote mark after 'on the'). [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 17:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

::Also, please do not add excessive internal links in articles like you have done here [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 01.djvu/493]]. Please read the [[Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual#Internal Wikisource links|EB1911 Style Manual § Internal Wikisource links]] (and see the Style Manual Discussion) and remove the excess links from the above page (and any others you have done) thanks. [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 22:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

== Aeschylus ==

The primary place to list editions of the Greek plays is the versions page for each play. I've retained a list of transations (for now) on the Author page, but '''only''' for the translations that we actually have. But eventually, that too may go, since there seems to be a trend now towards not listing the editions on the Authors pages at all.

Note, Medwin's ''Prometheus Bound'' was already listed, and I just added the ''Agamemnon''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:37, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

== Index pages ==

Best practice for Index pages: When the value is not a code such as &quot;roman&quot;, or a numeric value for a page number, but instead is non-numeric text to be displayed in place of the usual number, then the value ought to be enclosed in quotes. Some character values will still work if the quotes are omitted, but best practice is to use the quotes for any text, including &quot;Adv&quot;, &quot;-&quot;, or such.

The size of dash for blank pages, images, and the like is purely an aesthetic choice on the part of the initial proofreader. Some editors prefer &quot;-&quot; for blank pages as it minimizes the space taken up in display on the Index.  Other editors will use the emdash to keep display size of all pages to roughly the same width, which can help with getting page numbers to line up in neat columns. But there's no reason to replace emdashes with hyphens if the initial editor made the choice to use emdashes. The value is there only on the index page is that page is not transcluded, and serves no real function except in the margin as a page number for transcluded pages (and which can then be linked to with a hashtag). There can be a reason to go the other way: to expand hyphens into emdashes, if there is content on that page, because a hyphen is small and harder to click on; but otherwise, it's purely up to the initial proofreader. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Memoirs ==

If you upload Volume II or III, let me know and I’ll stop by to proofread a bit. [[User:Lemuritus|Lemuritus]] ([[User talk:Lemuritus|talk]]) 02:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
:I am currently working (intermittently) on Volume 2, which is most easily accessed from the index page of Volume 1.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Footnotes - The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5 ==

{{tlx|helpme}} I have transcribed some pages of the above, mostly the prefaces to the longer poems. The prefaces are peppered with lengthy footnotes, which are generally manageable as I am familiar with the standard footnote method, for which I use &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt; &lt;/ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, the footnote continued on one of more of the following pages &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=xx&gt;, &lt;ref follow=xx&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;, and a footnote within a footnote where the nested footnote is on the same page, for which I use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{#tag:ref|TOP LEVEL REFERENCE&lt;ref group=&quot;I&quot;&gt;NESTED REFERENCE.&lt;/ref&gt; TOP LEVEL REFERENCE|group=&quot;O&quot;}}{{smallrefs|group=&quot;O&quot;}}{{smallrefs|group=&quot;I&quot;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. I may even have done examples (in another book) where the nested footnote is all on one page but the main footnote carries on over more than one. However, I am stuck at present because in the preface to ''Werner'' on pages [[Page:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5.djvu/374|338]] and [[Page:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5.djvu/375|339]] there is a footnote containing a footnote where both the footnote and the nested footnote continue onto the following page. How do I deal with this and still maintain footnote integrity during transclusion? Regards,[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
:I think you'll probably have better luck asking complicated questions like this at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]]. This kind of stuff gives most people a headache trying to unravel, and there are a limited number of contributors patrolling the {{tlx|helpme}} requests.{{parabr}}However, that being said, I've had a stab at this and you can see the results [[Special:PermanentLink/9821890|in my sandbox]]. Did that do roughly what you were trying to accomplish?{{parabr}}I'm not familiar with this work or its notes conventions, so I don't know the significance of the two footnote groups, but you may also wish to consider simplifying when faced with overly complicated schemes: we're already changing things significantly when we move from footnotes in a paged medium to endnotes in a non-paged medium, as well as changing the sigils used as footnote markers, so complicated footnote schemes that are primarily ''formatting'' rather than significant ''meaning'' may be better to not try to replicate. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:25, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll give it a go. I've also posted the query on [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]] in case there's an alternative.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Thank you for [[Index:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf|Rootabaga Pigeons]] ==

Thank you for [[Index:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf|Rootabaga Pigeons]]. I've done (validated) just about everything, but one last page stumps me. The original doesn't have a closing double quote in one place, and your text had added one, but in a very strange place. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf/160&amp;action=history moved it] to a more logical placement, but again, there just isn't a closing double quote in the source. So what to do? [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 23:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for the appreciation. The text was straightforward but it takes a bit of time to sort the illustrations.&lt;br/&gt;I agree with your comment that the added quote was in the wrong place. I suggest there are two options: either transcribe what is actually printed or mark it as an error (which I think it is) using the SIC template (which I've done). Feel free to disagree when you validate. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

== Letter spacing for emphasis ==

Hi!

In reference to [[Special:Diff/9904025|this edit]], the {{tl|sp}} template was used to duplicate the letter spacing in the original used for emphasis. As an alternative to italics, spacing was sometimes increased for emphasis (perhaps because it didn't require using italic type &lt;s&gt;matrices&lt;/s&gt; sorts, you just spaced out the normal ones). See [[w:Emphasis_(typography)#Letter-spacing]]. In my opinion, this is as much a part of the work as italics would have been. Cheers, [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/small&gt;   20:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, I accept your point in general but I would make two specific ones in return. The document was originally transcluded as one complete piece. Scrolling through it in that form highlighted variations in the way pages had been transcribed (e.g. poetry quotations, footnotes, etc.), so I went through page by page to try and straighten things out. One area of inconsistency related to the type of spacing you refer to, so I needed to decide one way or another whether to format them all, and I decided against. The main reason for doing this was that in most instances, if not all, it didn't seem to me to be for the purposes of emphasis, more as if text had been removed and the rest of the line spread out to make it the appropriate width. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:: As the person who put in more effort than I did, I defer to your choice. I would still disagree that the spacing was inserted like that for any reason of than emphasis. To me, it seems it appears only where emphasis would fit, not randomly throughout the text. I just though I'd mention it in case you hadn't realised letter-spacing was a typographical method used for {{sp|emphasis}}, as well as purely stylistic (e.g. as used on title pages). [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/small&gt;   10:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Texts should not be listed as &quot;new texts&quot; until they are complete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:Apologies, I got a bit ahead of myself. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)Chris

::Plus per the instructions on that page, please use a document summary of what is happening with the edit. That summary is pushed out in a few places as information. That page is our open gateway to the main page so documentation through the edit summary is considered important. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:22, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Help with images? ==

Hi, I noticed [[Special:Diff/9905773|this]]. Would you like me to get the hi-res images that are missing and place them on the pages? I know they're just &quot;filler images,&quot; but it seems they're standing in the way of getting this work listed under new texts...happy to help if you're not already on it, just let me know. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:Pete, Thanks for the offer. I got a bit ahead of myself putting 'Paradise Regain'd' on the new works list but have now done the images (mostly fleurons). However, I've never mastered the technique for making images properly black-and-white. If you can, then I'd appreciate it if you could replace the images. I used the fleuron from the 'Persons' page at the beginning of 'Samson Agonistes' (which is in the same volume) on account of it being the sharpest and least curved version in the book. I left the covers as raw images. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:: Hmm, I'm a little puzzled. The original scans are not great, I made a greyscale version but I'm not happy with it. How did you get the somewhat higher-resolution versions you uploaded? Was it from the book view on Internet Archive, perhaps? I'm used to using their JP2 files, which are usually the higest-resolution versions they offer; but in this case, it's a slightly smaller resolution than the one you uploaded. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Apologies, Pete, I never got back to you. The only places I get images for books are either the file on Wikisource (via right click and 'save image as'), Internet Archive (ditto) or Hathi Trust (using either a PDF download of the page or the right click and 'save image as' option. I hadn't realised that higher res images are among the file options on IA.
:::To manipulate the files I use three different bits of software: 'Image analyser' to do rotation and cropping, plus image manipulation depending on circumstances; 'Irfanview', because it has some useful tools such as a 'find and replace' option - good for getting rid of background colours; and 'Paint3D' for pixel level editing. I eventually managed to get the recommended 'ImageMagic' software to work but Image Analyser has the same functionality with a passable user interface. Command line - who'd have thought it - I don't do enough image manipulation to warrant batch processing, where it might be useful but ...... really?
:::Having said all that I still can't get to proper black and white in most cases. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== curly quotes in &quot;once a week&quot; &amp;  other matters ==

Hi --

Currently the entirety of ''Once a Week'' (4 volumes completed, so far) uses curly (smart) quotes, so please stick with that! 

Chapter headings use text size &quot;fine&quot;.

Further remark: I prefer to use &amp;lt;br /&gt; rather than &amp;lt;poem&gt; when embedding poems in paragraphs because &amp;lt;poem&gt; changes paragraph margins. Not such a big deal, though. 

Thanks for working on it, though! I’m particularly glad you’re doing ''Lord Oakburn’s Daughters'' because someone just published an academic study of it last year &amp; I was thinking, maybe people who read that will want a digital version of the text, which there isn’t elsewhere. (Pretty nauseating stuff though isn’t it, especially the part with &quot;Pompey&quot;)

In case you didn’t notice it, the style guide is at [[Wikisource:Wikiproject Once a Week]] (I’ve tried to make it clear, but would appreciate you telling me parts that need further explanation) [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 18:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:P.S. In order to make the two parts of the poem line up with each other when inserting an image in the middle, as with [[Page:Once a Week Jun to Dec 1864.pdf/84|The Bride of an Hour]], it’s necessary to specify a width (the same one for each) for the &quot;block center&quot;. For some reason the use of the colon (:) for indents overrides the width. For that reason I’ve gone back to using &quot;gap&quot; though it has its drawbacks … [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:: P.P.S. Currently, the way to put a typographic (but not actual) 0.15em space between two adjoining quotes is like so: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|“}}‘&lt;/nowiki&gt; (or, of course, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|“}}’&lt;/nowiki&gt; or &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|’}}”&lt;/nowiki&gt;). There is a useful script for converting quotes to curly at [[User:Samwilson/CurlyQuotes.js]] [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 19:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:::: ''Discussion about quote templates moved to [[User talk:Xover]]'' [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 06:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC) 
:::Hello, sorry for causing disruption - I should have read the style guide. I came to this transcription through doing an update to an author page and testing some of the links - I tend to flit from one thing to another! My first point of call when starting a new page, especially if the OCR isn't great, is to run the 'Clean up OCR' tool; one of the things this does is to convert double and single quotes to straight ones.&lt;br/&gt;I'll take a look at your guide.&lt;br/&gt;I've spent a bit of time since your messages trying to work out how to install the CurlyQuotes.js tool. I've copied the whole of the code into my  'global.js' page but nothing has happened. Clearly I'm doing something wrong - can you help me, please?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

:::: Try &lt;code&gt;mw.loader.load('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Samwilson/CurlyQuotes.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript');&lt;/code&gt; &lt;br&gt;and then refresh your browser --[[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 21:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

::::: Thanks for the reply. I have added the suggested code but nothing appears to have happened, despite refreshing and restarting my browser. I was expecting something to appear on the LHS of the screen (under the Wikisource logo) in the same way as the 'Typopgraphy' and 'Page' toolsets that I added to my 'global.js' page do. Does the 'CurlyQuotes' tool reside somewhere else (e.g. in one of the other menus) - I checked a few places but without success.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

:::::: It is in the set of tools above the editing box, the quotes right next to &quot;bold&quot; and &quot;italic&quot;! (Took me a while to find it too when I installed it!) [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 06:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

::::::: Got it. Thanks, I shall give it a whirl.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

::::::::I have been using the 'CurlyQuotes' tool, and while it isn't infallible, it's a big help, since I can continue to use the 'Clean up OCR' tool and then re-apply the 'curly quotes'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

(''unindented'') I also looked over the guidance you produced, which I have been trying to follow. It's the most thorough and comprehensive that I've come across. My only observation is that there seem to be a number of instances where line spacing is introduced that is wider than that in the text. Regards, Chris [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

: By &quot;line spacing wider than in the text,&quot; do you mean differing from the way it is printed in the old magazine? That magazine was {{sc|cramped}}, filling its pages almost edge-to-edge with small type, and with only a rule as separation between items. Paper was a major part of periodical expenses in those days—wood-pulp paper wasn’t yet in use. There is absolutely no requirement that the digital version of the texts has to be bound by the same restraints. To paraphrase something Billinghurst said, Wikisource is digitizing the words of the authors, not the typesetters’ peculiarities.

: Most of the stylistic choices in the style guide were made by me, with some input from Encylopetey; I was revising a basis that was created some years ago by I’m not sure who, Mudbringer for one. I tried to imitate the magazine as much as possible while complying with standard Wikisource formatting and loosening up the tight spacing, and a few other changes to make things look better on the web: for instance, I inset margins for block-quotes whereas the original didn’t, only distinguishing them by smaller type. 

: Do you have any specific suggestions for improvements? It would probably be possible to do global changes with a bot. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 17:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Image standards added to style guide ===

I’ve added to the style guide the way that images are being handled -- the three cases I listed cover 95% of the images in the magazine. Anything else, well, [[Page:ONCE A WEEK JUL TO DEC 1860.pdf/335|here]] is an example of an image used as a drop-initial and [[Page:ONCE A WEEK JUL TO DEC 1860.pdf/114|here]] is an irregular-shaped image. For even more complicated cases, if you can’t figure out a way, ask me because something like it may have been done already. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 01:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Prefatory note of Fumifugium is not public domain ==

Hi. That is a very interesting publication you have added! However, it seems that the prefatory note is not public domain, as it was written in 1976. I suggest to replace it with [https://archive.org/details/fumifugiumorinc00evelgoog/page/n4/mode/2up the original 1772 publication]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, Thank you for drawing this to my attention. However, as I have no wish to do this text again (too many italicisations, unusual spellings and unusual punctuation, some or all of which will have changed in a different edition), I took the liberty of reading up on the University of Exeter's copyright position, as they are the declared copyright holder. I believe that it is OK to duplicate the introduction based on the information at https://www.exeter.ac.uk/research/openresearch/oa/copyright/ I presume that there will be an appropriate copyright template that could be applied? Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

::Ah, that is really interesting! I must say I like the university’s attitude. I have asked whether it is sufficient for us at [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Fumifugium: or, the Inconveniencie of the Aer and Smoake of London/Note]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

As a general note, works should ALWAYS have a license tag on them before being listed as &quot;New&quot;, as a suitable license is one of the basic requirements of hosting a work here.  Several of your recent additions to the New Texts list had no license tag on them at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

== The Works of Virgil (Dryden)/Georgics (Dryden) ==

Two things: (1) You don't need to put &quot;Dryden&quot; in there twice. (2) If you set this up the way you have, people will not be able to download a copy as an EPUB. You need to make use of {{tl|AuxTOC}}. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

:Hello. I've arranged the page naming to fit in with what is already established. On the author page for Virgil are three entries, one each for the Eclogues (or Pastorals), the Georgics, and the Aeneis. Each one then links to a sub-page which lists various translations. The Aeneis has a Dryden transcription (1697 edition) but this has no index page or images (hence needs migration), the Georgics page lists the Dryden, (I added it in June 2019 - not expecting to be doing the transcription a year later!) but there wasn't anything behind it, and the Dryden was not listed on the Eclogues page until I added it recently. 
:I have structured the contents to enable the relevant sections to be linked to the E, G and A pages. Likewise, I used the existing Aeneis (Dryden) page as a template, and used the same page referencing so that I could simply replace that content with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages index= ...... from=X  to=Y  /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; references, rather than creating new pages. I have used this as the template for the Pastorals and am in the process of doing the same for the Georgics.
:I did the table of contents in the way I have because I've seen it done on other multi-volume works (and it looks nicer). However, I didn't know about the issue with converting to an ebook (how would I?). If you bear with me while I get everything set up, I'll convert it to the AuxTOC form.
:I pinched the contents listing from Early English Books online but it needs rationalising; theirs is from the first edition and some elements of that edition are not in the 3rd (e.g. the errata).[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== caution creating redirects where a wikidata item exists ==

There was a wikidata item on [[Ode Upon Liberty]] [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Ode_Upon_Liberty&amp;action=history history] so converting that page to a redirect is problematic—WD items need to be direct and specific.  It is not a subject matter that we have managed well as it has so many intricacies and variances. Anyway, recovered the old edition, and moved it its own page, and created a versions page to disambiguate the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

== After moving pages ... ==

Hi. After moving pages, please check the WHAT LINKS HERE for the old location, and update the links there to the new location,  especially if you are going to overwrite the redirect. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

== Reminder about subpage titles ==

Hi, just a reminder that our policy here is to use Arabic numerals in Chapter names and not Roman. So, the first chapter of ''What Katy Did Next'' should be What Katy Did Next/Chapter 1 [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, I would normally do as you suggest but on this occasion I'm migrating an existing version of '[[What Katy Did Next]]', which is not attached to an Index page, and the chapters of that use roman numerals. Should I move the existing chapters (e.g.from 'I.' to 'Chapter 1') first or carry on as I am? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:28, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

::Ah, I hadn't realised that. Finish off, then let me know and I'll move them for you as I can do it with suppression of redirects. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

:::OK - will do. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} This seems as good a place as any to ask about something that's perplexed me for a while. It seems to me on Wikisource there is a strong preference for suppressing redirects. But redirects can be incredibly useful, often in cases where we can't know what external or even offline links exist. In this case, [[What Katy Did Next/I.]] has existed for a dozen years. There's no way to know who may have linked directly to that chapter. It seems very useful to keep a redirect; and if there is a downside, I don't know what it is. Why would we want to suppress? Chris -- hope you don't mind me butting in on your talk page. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 15:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Peteforsyth}} There are three possibilities for these scenarios: a) leave a hard redirect; b) use a soft redirect; c) supress the redirect. The decision as to which option to use depends on the likelihood of incoming links. If it's a well-known alternate title, or &quot;what links here&quot; gives links from multiple other works, then the full redirect gets left. If it's a likely target on a work that's been here a while, then we'll use a soft direct, which will be deleted in a few months' time. If it's an unlikely target, or is wrong, or is recent, then we'll supress the redirect. In this particular case, I believe ''What Katy Did Next/I.'' to be an unlikely target for an external link, but I'm quite prepared to hear argument in the opposite direction. [Thanks Chris for hosting the discussion.] [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::Just to let you know that I've finished the migration. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

== Integrity of published work ==

I have moved [[London (Johnson)]] to be a subpage of the work in which it was published to maintain its edition content and the integrity of the published work.  In cases like this we would have created a redirect from the root level to the subpage, similar to what we do with poetry.  So if Johnson's work is here from another source, we would convert the redirect to a {{tl|versions}} page.

Also, for a published work, we only require the [[help:copyright tag|copyright tag]] at the root level of the work. It is considered to apply to the whole work. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:(ec) Oh, you split the work. In a case like this we have typically put them as subpages of the publication from whence they came. No different to our other curate compiled works. Again redirects are our friends here. EP hs addressed one of the reasons why below, also due to our maintaining our components on editions. Noting some of the guidance at [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject Books]].  Yes, it does get complex, and sooooo many edge cases. :-/  — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:20, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::I would suggest moving them to be subpages, and happy to give a hand as required. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Are you doing the fix, or am I? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

== [[Trivia, or the Art of Walking the Streets of London to which is added Dr. Johnson's London]] ==

You do realize that anyone wishing to read this as a download will get the title pages, the contents page, and nothing else? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:Why? I was rebuked by someone for using a non-standard table of contents (for Dryden's Virgil translation) and was told to use a AuxTOC. I've done that here but apparently that's wrong. What should I be doing? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:: The contents are not displayed on the primary page. Only pages linked from the first page will be included in the download.  You've placed the contents on secondary pages, and the EPUB will therefore not pull them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:: Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Trivia%2C_or_the_Art_of_Walking_the_Streets_of_London_to_which_is_added_Dr._Johnson%27s_London&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=10076977&amp;oldid=10072694 this change] has corrected the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Index pages ==

The dash ( - ) is for marking pages that fall outside of the page numbering system: e.g. end papers or the backs of plates. It is not for marking &quot;this page has no content&quot;, that is what the page status of &quot;Without text&quot; is for. Pages that are part of the numbering system should be numbered. Failing to do so makes it harder for people to determine the page number of those pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Trying to understand this page hierarchy ==

Hi. Why would we transclude pages in this naming hierarchy?
{{special:prefixindex/The Reason of Church-governement Urg'd against Prelaty}}

Where is that sort of hierarchy used, and how predominantly? I would think that we would be better to align with what we have been using, and am here asking what I am missing. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 16:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:The publication is an essentially an extended pamphlet (Wikipedia calls it an 'essay'), the title page of which describes itself as being in two books. It is laid out as two 'books', and visually there is a transition from Book 1 to Book 2. However, the start of book 2 has no heading (I have called it 'Introduction' since it's the first part, but it could equally have been 'preface', or anything else). There is a conclusion (called 'Conclusion'), which is a conclusion for the whole thing but which is part of Book 2. Half way through, Milton goes off-topic, and then comes back to the subject matter at hand. I don't know what he had in mind but, given the way it is written and subdivided, I chose to treat it as essentially one long article but retained the book and chapter number information in each of the sections (per your list), rather than just starting at '1' and finishing at '22' (or however many there would be). I could have done it just as ''Book 1'' and ''Book 2'', but that would have generated two very long sections, which the Help section advises against. That's why I've done it the way I have. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:What would you have done? And more to the point, what do you want me to do?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sybilline Leaves (Coleridge) ==

Hi. With this work, I would not have created a numbering system for them, I think that they can and should be published under their names.  In terms of search, the name is more effective in returning results in full search, or type ahead. 

We generally only use a numbered approach where it is how the work is defined, and it makes sense to present that way, eg. chapters in novels, especially as they are not named, and there is less value in the name. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

== Horace ==

Thank you so much for completing a set of scan-backed translations of Horace's works. The incompleteness of his works has been a significant hole in classical literature here for far too long here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
:Indeed. Let me second that! --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you both for taking the time to acknowledge the work I've done on [[The Satires, Epistles &amp; Art of Poetry of Horace]]. I uploaded it after looking for a version of [[Ars Poetica]] and I came across some comments about [[author:John Conington|John Conington]]. It's just a pity I didn't pick a volume with a complete set of the Satires, such as the [[author:Thomas Creech|Thomas Creech]] version of 1715. 
::Although I didn't upload it, I've been doing some work on [[The Odes and Carmen Saeculare|The Odes and Carmen Sæculare of Horace]], by the same translator. Any help woud be appreciated ..... [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

== Byron's Works ==

Good morning! ''Formatting should be consistent'' throughout the text for [[The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero)/Poetry/Volume 3]]. The poem tag has not been used throughout the rest of the work, but if you seek to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_Works_of_Lord_Byron_%28ed._Coleridge%2C_Prothero%29_-_Volume_3.djvu%2F117&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=10195297&amp;oldid=9530609 substitute it for established formatting] with breaks, may I suggest making the change to every other page in the work as well? I welcome any thoughts as to how to make this project better, albeit consistent with regard to formatting. Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 11:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

To add: I have admittedly not worked on these volumes for quite some time, so maybe I don't have much skin in the game, if that's even the correct way to use the phrase... But there was a standard established, and I simply wanted to bring attention to it. It may take years, but I do hope to have enough brain and staying power to do more work on that volume of works by Byron. Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 19:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, My apologies if I have irritated you with my contribution. In my defence I would say the following. Firstly, in my experience, whether you use the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; option, the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt; &lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; option or a mixture of the two makes no difference to how the pages appear when transcluded; it's more important that the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{center block/s}} and {{center block/e}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are used consistently, and text sizes, footnotes, etc follow a consistent pattern. Secondly, the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; method makes it more difficult to spot transcription errors in the punctuation at the end of lines. I find that in most poetry the OCR does a good job with the text but frequently gets the punctuation wrong (e.g. . or ,. ; or :, and with poor scans ? and !). Finally, I suppose I just try to make best use of the tools that are available to help, and find the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt; &lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; method much quicker, in the absence of something to automatically put the line breaks it on every line.

:I previously did some work on Volume 5, but only on the introductory pieces to some of the poems. I gave up in despair over the complexities of the footnotes! I might go back now that I've more experience and have the example of using two groups of footnotes in 'The Giaour' Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

::Oh gee, I'm not irritated... But if I were to go through and validate at any time, please understand if I adapt some things along the way. I still think formatting consistency is best, even if output is not significantly affected... but that is me. Happy editing, and thanks for your response. [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 01:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Monody on the Death of Chatterton (1796)]] ==

Please do not start making decisions on the source of a work. We allow editions, so unless you know that our specific edition came from a specific work, then they should be left as they are, not forced into a work just because they were published there at one point. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:If you have an edition in a work that you are transcribing, then do its version from index, and transclude it, add {{tl|other versions}} to the top of the page. Then create [[Monody on the Death of Chatterton]] as a {{tl|versions}} page and link both versions from that page. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I am transcribing the source 'Poems on Various Ocassions' which this version is from (as it says on the versions page), and if you'd give someone five minutes to do the job they're in the middle of then you wouldn't have to keep pinging me.
::Anyway, what's the obsession with keeping unsourced work? You reinstated an unsourced version of the 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner' despite my having replaced it with an indexed version (Sibylline Leaves (1817), the same version.
::I though the major point about this site, apart from making stuff available, is that it was a side by side transcription?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

== Long s ==

Hi, may I ask what [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Philosophical_Transactions_-_Volume_050,_part_1.djvu/50&amp;curid=2884342&amp;diff=10303715&amp;oldid=10153986 is the problem] with {{template|ls}}? This template enables long s to be displayed as &quot;ſ&quot; in the page ns and as &quot;s&quot; in the main ns. Current practice is to display it just as &quot;s&quot; in the main ns, but if the practice got changed in future, the template would enable to display the character in its original form. What is more, people can adjust their common.js to have the long s displayed in the main namespace too. However, removing the template makes it impossible. Can it be returned? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi there. My view is that the use of the long 's' is just an annoyance. They make reading the text far harder on the screen (surely the point of making stuff available in the first place is that people read it); secondly, they make proofreading more difficult and mean that spell checking add-on I use in my browser becomes more of a hindrance than a help; finally the point is to do a transcription not create a reproduction. It's an 's'.
 
:Whilst it might be possible to change settings as you describe, how many casual readers would have the first idea what their 'common.js' is? I'd describe myself as a committed transcriber and it took me a good while to stumble across it.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::To note that the practice is to ensure that the main namespace produces a normal &quot;s&quot;. We allow the transcriber to determine whether they wish to use &quot;s&quot; or &quot;{{tl|long s}}. There are a few examples of where we have retained the long s as it was a decision made as part of the publication to create the work specifically with long s, so in that case we retained them, similarly if we are reproducing orthography in a work. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== [[Tom Brown's School Days (1868, 6th ed)]] ==

ALL works hosted on Wikisource should display appropriate licensing information. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

== Your input is requested at WS:PD ==

Hi Chrisguise,

Your input is requested at [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Template:Chart|WS:PD#Template:Chart]]. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== Category for removal ==

Hi Chrisguise, I stumbled across this category: &quot;Category:EB1911:People:Cities:Europe:Portugal&quot; that you created (a copy and paste error I assume — I've made a few of those!), how do we delete a category? regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}} — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== Unsourced works are not part of works ==

Please do not move unsourced works to be a part of other works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

:I'm getting fed up of this pointless conversation. All I'm trying to do is to reduce the mountainous pile of unattributed *#&quot;% by linking it to actual texts in line with the stated aims of the site. You've no idea of what the source is for the version I moved, so editing it to match an actual source makes b###er all difference to anything.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
== [[Peleus and Thetis]] ==

In the future, please be careful when moving pages. You have caused several broken Wiki-links, which will need to be fixed. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC).

== Eugene Aram ==

This has been on my to-do list to deal with for several years, but I've never quite gotten there. Thanks for working on it. I'll try and find time to do some validation. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

:OK, thanks. Nearly finished volume 2. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== License templates ==

I added a license template to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Doctrine_and_Discipline_of_Divorce&amp;diff=10499460&amp;oldid=10350152&amp;diffmode=source The Doctrine of Discipline and Divorce], which you recently listed on New Texts.

Per the [[WS:Copyright policy|Copyright policy]], works should have a license template, and &quot;it is the responsibility of the contributor to assert compatibility with Wikisource's license&quot;. This is the now the fourth time you've been asked to use them, would you please start doing it? [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 23:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

== Dramatick Poets ==

Hi. I have created [[template:Dramatick Poets link]] that should make it a little easier to create author page links.  It also allows us to more easily identify the works that are or are not linked. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

::OK, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

== Prometheus Unbound ==

Hello. Can the template &quot;Incomplete&quot; be removed from ''[[Prometheus Unbound; a lyrical drama in four acts with other poems]]'' now? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:Done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

== Links to missing images ==

Hi Chris,

Regarding [[Special:Diff/10431214|this edit]]. Is the page's current state (linking an image that doesn't exist) deliberate, or just a glitch while editing? And if it's deliberate, what's the reasoning behind it? --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 21:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, I've fixed the missing file (and the Title link in the footnote). The file link was based on the naming convention I adopted when I uploaded all the other images for vol 1 of this work, but for some reason I failed to upload this one. I was going to fix it when I did the images for volume 3 {{...|4}} [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 04:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks. I was guessing it was roughly that that was the case, but didn't want to go wading in there in case there was some specific reason you wanted it that way. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

== djvu links? ==

You have much more experience here than me, so in the spirit of curiousity and with the need of more information I ask this:

What is the problem with {{tl|djvu page link}}?

I realize that it is only useful at the proofing and even then, only when the toc is on the index page, but it is useful there and then.

I read or had it explained to me that it was too complicated.  Since then, I try to figure out a way for it to work in the Main.  Shifting the numbers and then the process gets broken at the chapter part.... It is an unfixable problem in the world that doesn't depress me to think about! In this way, it is beautiful and rare and I have grown very fond of it.

So, it is no wonder that I cannot determine a reason not to use it, and ask respectfully what is your reasoning to remove it?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
:Hi there. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with {{tl|djvu page link}} but it seems to me that it doesn't achieve anything when used in a table of contents (ToC). From a ToC the link needs to take you to the chapter content, not just to an individual page. Also, the links work on the page containing the ToC and on the Index page (if the ToC is shown there), but when the page containing the ToC is transcluded, the links are suppressed. The one place where I think {{tl|djvu page link}} is useful is when a book contains a list of illustrations, where a link to an individual page is appropriate.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 00:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

== Gentlemen Prefer Blondes ==

I noticed your edit [[Special:Diff/10990680/10991003]]. Why would you remove 24,000 bytes all at once ''and'' change the header? It appears to be correct and removing that information requires a rationale, or editors may assume the edit was disruptive. -- [[User:AnotherEditor144|AnotherEditor''144'']] &lt;sup&gt; [[User talk:AnotherEditor144|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/AnotherEditor144|c]] &lt;/sup&gt; 17:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

:I edited it because what was in there was copy and pasted text, not transcluded page transcriptions. I'm simply applying the appropriate guidance per https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_transclusion. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

:: Thanks for that. I suppose it would transcluyde after a few hours anyway. [[User:AnotherEditor144|AnotherEditor''144'']] &lt;sup&gt; [[User talk:AnotherEditor144|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/AnotherEditor144|c]] &lt;/sup&gt; 21:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

== Red links for copyrighted works ==

Please do not add active red links for works that are under copyright. Red links are an implicit invitation to add the work, which cannot be legally done for works still under copyright. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:I take your point but I'm not sure where I've done such a thing, and so don't know what needs fixing.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:: I've fixed it.  You added red links on ''Venus and Adonis'' (Shakespeare) as well as ''Rape of Lucrece'' (Shakespeare) for the Yale Shakespeare volume that is still under copyright. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

== [[template:page break]] ==

Hi. Modern usage of this template would typically be {{tlx|page break||label=}} which suppresses the word &quot;page&quot; and allows for the marginal page number. This is an old template that pre-exists the Index: namespace and transcluded works, and was designed for when we need to force page numbering harder/differently, and later adapted for the transcluded form. It would be great when you are transcluding pages that you could utilise this simpler form. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

== Please stop removing line-breaks, {smallrefs} sizing and header spaces ==

Can you please not remove line-breaks in EB1911, like you did here [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 10.djvu/17]], removing them makes proofing and validating more difficult; it also makes it very difficult to see what changes were made.

Please do not removing spacing from the header template, it is there for a reason to center the article names,  also on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 15.djvu/529]].

Please do not remove sizing from {smallrefs} template, in EB1911 we standardize on 90% ''i.e.'' {smallrefs|90%} like on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 15.djvu/529]]. When editing a transcluded EB1911 article and adding {smallrefs|90%}, use {clear} beforehand if there are author initials on the last text line (this prevents the initials dropping down  into the refs.); also add {rule} after {clear} if the last paragraph is fine print, thanks. 

Please take more care when editing, on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 22.djvu/768]] you broke the section tag from working properly which resulting in blank text for [[1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Quilon]] - I have since fixed this. A check of the Preview would have showed the problem. I really have enough proofing to do without having to fix these issues. regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 04:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I just fixed another of your careless edits [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_28.djvu/265&amp;oldid=9637141] which you marked as &quot;Proofread&quot; but has a blatant error where the text &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{EB1911 Fine Print|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&quot; is visible on the page because you did not terminate the template properly. If you are going to make edits in Wikisource, please take more care, some may see your many bad edits as vandalism. [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 00:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

== King John ==

If you're planning to replace the existing text with the ''First Folio'' text, then there's little point in moving the unsourced copy prior to replacement.  I did check, and the unsourced copy of this play does ''not'' match the text of the ''First Folio''.  It is a later editorialized edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Re: '''King Richard''': We don't remove words from the title.  The title of the play very clearly has the word &quot;King&quot; in it on its first page.  The table of contents for the First Folio contains many errors. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

== Speedy delete of Index:Chandos, Ouida.djvu ==

Hello. It seems that the page [[Index:Chandos, Ouida volume 3.djvu]] that you refer to in the speedy delete request at [[Index:Chandos, Ouida.djvu]] does not exist. Can you check it and correct the link, please? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hello. Having received no answer I have searched for the redundant index myself and found [[Index:Chandos, a novel (IA chandosnovel03ouid).pdf]]. While you wrote &quot;''A complete version of the same volume (and from the same 3 volume copy as volumes 1 and 2) has been added to the existing transcription project on Wikisource - see [[Index:Chandos, Ouida volume 3.djvu]]''&quot;, this index has different name and was made from a different copy. However, it contains the pages missing in the file suggested for deletion, so I deleted the file. Thanks very much for noticing this issue. I would just like to ask you to pay more attention when writing the reasons for deletion. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 07:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
::Hi there. Apologies for any confusion caused, I'll try and do better next time. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

== Paradise Lost ==

Not sure if you're planning on proofreading Paradise Lost (1674), but I added an index for copy of the actual 1674 text at [[Index:Paradise_Lost_1674.djvu]]. Sorry, the pages are not split, but this was the best copy that I could find. If you know of another, let me know and I'll try and get it. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 14:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: Addendum, copy B is slightly easier to read, but I couldn't get the IA tool to ingest it. {{IA|ParadiseLost1674CopyB}} [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 14:44, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
::Hi there. I wasn't but I started to have a look at doing so. However, the scan on Commons has a problem in that half of the image of pages numbered 28 and 29 is missing. I looked at sourcing a replacement but the alternative scan you provided a link to appears to have been removed from IA. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Hi, sorry, it was a slight error in the IA id. The correct id is {{IA|ParadiseLost1674CopyB}}. I also created an index for the second copy [[Index:ParadiseLost1674CopyB.pdf]] [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 02:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Also, UMich has the complete text of the 1674 edition online with page numbers, so you can copy and paste the text prior to proofreading. [https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A50924.0001.001/1:1?rgn=div1;view=toc]. Should make things a bit easier. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:06, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Hi, I notice that the text of a number of the double pages have started appearing. I'm about 60% of the way through splitting the file into single page scans, so if you could hold off for a while .... ahould have said something earlier. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
::::Having spent quite a bit of time on this it turns out that there are a number of pages missing - not completely sure as the page numbering is a little awry in some places, but it could be as many as eight. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

== [[Page:The tale of Balen (IA taleofbalen00swin).pdf/147|The logo image]] ==

While those two images may look similar, they are not the same. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: I don't want to be a party pooper though, congrats on producing so many texts as you have so quickly! I was just letting you know, I would replace the image myself but Internet Archive appears to be down for maintenance. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: Fixed [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Although I have done quite a lot of things over the years, I don't necessarily do them that quickly - for instance I've been working on a ''History of the Royal Society'' (single volume, c.500 pages) off and on for about two years now. I flit between a number of transcriptions at any one time, so tend to have several works come to completion close together, and then nothing for a while. I also try and clear up some of the stuff that seems to have been left behind, such as texts that get close to completion of proofreading but just need dragging over the finishing line (''e.g''. ''Jane Eyre (1st edition)''), or works that have been proofread but have not been transcluded (''e.g''. ''The Boy Who Knew What The Birds Said''). I generally add these to the new works list once done. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

== Moving the Alchemist ==

Please don't make moves like you did with the Alchemist. It is your presumption that it came from that source, yet it says that it was a Gutenberg source, and we wouldn't be making such a decision without a community conversation. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
:Can I ask what is the problem with the people who run this site (past as well as present)? It appears to me that they have failed, and continue to fail, to uphold its stated aims, since it contains predominantly unsourced text and seems to continue to add more; it is frequently just copied from Gutenberg, which, for the large part, doesn't unequivocally identify its sources and therefore has no 'auditable trail' (irony intentional) to an original; and when someone is prepared to invest the time and effort to migrate the unsourced text of a major work (or indeed any work) to a source, even if it involves some minor editing, there is resistance and a desire to retain unsourced material in preference.  Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

== [[Index:The practice of typography; correct composition; a treatise on spelling, abbreviations, the compounding and division of words, the proper use of figures and nummerals by De Vinne, Theodore Low, 1828-1914.djvu]] ==

Do you want me to back off, we seem to be running into sutff we are both editing pages at a time? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

:No, I've moved on to a chapter later in the book. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

== Using px in widths ==

Hi! Congratulations on yet another work done! Just a little quibble over something that inhibits export readiness and accessibility: when you use ''px'' as a unit for something that contains text content, you are making an implicit assumption that everyone will have the same font size as you (by default in most browsers, this is 16px). This is not a safe assumption to make in the general case, as e-readers often have much larger font sizes and also visually-impaired users may have larger fonts too. This means that your ''px''-sized box becomes much too small for the text. However, if you use an equivalent ''em'' size, the box would scale in line with the system font size. For an actual example, you can see [[H:PXWIDTH]].

In general, the solution is simple: divide the ''px'' width you would use by 16 and use that number of ''em''s: e.g. 400px → 25em. This will look the same on a default browser, but will also work as the font size changes. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I have a 'pro-forma' template for an AUXTOC in my clipboard manager, which I keep forgetting to edit - I've done it now. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you! ^_^ [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

== Long esses ==

Re: [[The Lamb's Marriage Proclaimed]] I'm with you on not reproducing long esses on Wikisource.  However I would not tend to remove them from projects where other people have done most of the work.  Not saying you shouldn't (I don't know), just that's why I didn't! [[User:PeterR2|PeterR2]] ([[User talk:PeterR2|talk]]) 12:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry for not responding sooner. I dislike the use of the long ess for a number of reasons but generally speaking I don't remove them where they have been used consistently throughout a work. In fact I generally won't do work validation work on texts where people have replicated them. In the case of this work, and a whole load of other National Library of Scotland chapbooks I've worked on recently, there was so much work still to do at the validation stage that I took the long esses out (a simple find and replace) to make the proofreading / correction work easier. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== This voyage is over! ==

I've fixed up all the [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked?hidebots=1&amp;hidecategorization=1&amp;hideWikibase=1&amp;target=Index%3AThe_Periplus_of_Hanno.djvu&amp;limit=100&amp;days=21&amp;urlversion=2 Greek I could find]. It's all green at [[Index:The_Periplus_of_Hanno.djvu]] so . . . ? [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 07:54, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, found a paper where someone was suggesting Periplus as a resource [https://crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&amp;context=necj for instruction in Ancient Greek]. Also, had to fix a [https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%95%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C:%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%82/Shenme couple mistakes] at el.wikisource ! [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 08:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

== 1000 nights + 1 ==

Hi, noticed you also edited [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Arabian_Nights&amp;diff=11643478&amp;oldid=9058783 this page]. I have hit a wall more than once in trying to dab several overlapping version/translation/dab pages for Victorian era adaptations, anyone wrangling the redirects, however brutally, would be making a start on this. Pass along your thoughts if you are interested. [[User:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] ([[User talk:Cygnis insignis|talk]]) 17:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi there. I only edited the page because I've been migrating various single, unsourced poems by [[Author:Alfred Tennyson|Alfred Tennyson]] to an indexed source, which I am transcribing (Poems (1843, in 2 vols.)). After  migrating each poem, I follow-up and correct linking pages using the 'What links here? tool. I did notice that there seemed to be a bit of a muddle around the 'Arabian Nights', largely driven by the inconsistent way publications have been titled over the years, despite being derived from a common source. However, given all the other things I'm doing at the moment, I resisted the temptation to start trying to improve the situation! [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== descriptive summary for new texts ==

Hi. When you are adding works to [[Template:New texts]] it would be great if you would be able to add a descriptive summary, as is requested on the instructions for that page. Thanks for your help there. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

== The Works of H G Wells, chapter headings ==

Hello. Please don't change the font size of the chapter headings and names. It's a matter of consistency, they're the same size and style throughout the three volumes we've been working on in the last few months. Thank you. [[User:Tromaster|Tromaster]] ([[User talk:Tromaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

:Hi there. OK, but I suppose the real question is why they were ever done like that in the first place, since the font size of  'Chapter ...' is the same as the chapter text and the chapter title is slightly smaller. It makes the transcluded chapter headings look rather 'shouty'.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== prev/next in [[The History of the Royal Society of London/Chapter 7]] ==

Hi. Was the labelling as produced in the visible previous and next purposeful? Couldn't we use the section names? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

:I have been working on this work - on and off - for quite a long time and need to proof read the last 5 pages. However, I've been prevaricating for a while now about how best to break down the work for the AuxTOC and so haven't filled in the details on all the before and afters yet. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

== A Tale ==

Hello. Are you sure that the title of the Brontë’s work should have lowercase &quot;a&quot; instead of the uppercase &quot;A&quot;, as written in you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Professor%3A_A_Tale&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=11957933&amp;oldid=11957928 speedy delete request]? Looking at [[Page:The Professor (1857 Volume 1).djvu/5]] or at [[Page:The Professor (1857 Volume 1).djvu/7]] I would say it should be uppercase A. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hi. Possibly, but all the chapters in both volumes 1 and 2 (25 in total) have been done with a lower case 'a', so to be consistent I'd go with that. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

== Babbage scan ==

Hi! It looks like you removed duplicated pages from [[Index:On the economy of machinery and manufactures - Babbage - 1846.djvu]]. I have shifted the other pages down. In general, please don't change scans out from under active works as it will require an admin to do the page shifts (this is a technical thing, because redirects have to be suppressed or it won't work), and until that's done, the rest of the book will be offset. It would be better to request the removal at [[WS:LAB]], then someone can do the fix ''and'' shift the pages at the same time.

Also, if you mark a book as &quot;needs fixing&quot;, please always explain why so someone can deal with it (e.g. &quot;pages need shifting by 2 after page removal, starting at position 39, pp. 37-38 to be deleted&quot; would do), otherwise it requires someone to guess what your issue is and that makes mistakes easy if the wrong end of a stick is grasped. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:34, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

:Actually it's still broken because the new file is missing page numbered 26. Which pages were actually duplicated originally? Just pages 26/27 (numbered xiv,xv)? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, I only removed the two duplicate pages from the contents, I hadn't spotted the other missing page. There is another scan of the same edition on IA which has the missing page. I can rebuild the file and insert the missing page. Can you confirm that you want me to do this? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I've just removed the original pages from the old file (with a command like &lt;code&gt;djvm -d bab.djvu 26&lt;/code&gt;) and re-uploaded since the quality seems less blurry anyway (looks like you have a c44 compressor turned up pretty high - it's hard to compete with the IA Luratech compressor!). So I think it should just be sorted now. At least it looks all in line to me (which probably means it's subtly wrong somewhere ^_^) [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:Apologies, I hadn't previously been aware of the page you've provided the link to. I've corrected a few other works by changing the scan file and then manually moving the text from the effected pages, albeit on works that hadn't progressed so far as this one. If I come across any others, I'll know what to do. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::The problem with copying the text between pages is that is makes a confusing mess of the contribution history for the page. Also, it makes a mess of the proofreading status because, for example, you won't be able to validate proofread text that you copied, and others can validate text that you copied, even if they proofread it originally. It's far better to just move the pages without redirects which preserved edit history and proofreading statuses. There are bots for this, so it only takes seconds to do. 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC) [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Can I ask for your assistance with one of the Monthly Challenge works - [[Index:The future of Africa.djvu]]. I was going to do the transclusion but it became apparent that there are a number of pages missing from the work (including the ToC page). I have found a complete version of the same edition on IA which I will upload shortly but there will be a need to move pages. Thanks, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Winnie-the-Pooh images ==

Please read Your Commons talk page. [[User:Feydey|feydey]] ([[User talk:Feydey|talk]]) 15:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

== [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom.pdf]] ==

I solved the side-headers issue... see my recent efforts.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. I expect to upload the first batch of images shortly (starting with the initial letters). I'll add a link on the index page when I do.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 00:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

: The images are NOT out of copyright in the UK though, I checked who the artists were. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

== Hamlet - First Folio ==

Just a heads-up.  Some of the First Folio editions are divided into scenes; some are not.  And some of the scenes are numbered differently from other editions (or don't exist in other editions.  It's one of the reasons why we divided the Yale Shakespeare by Acts, without separating out the scenes.  And the FF has the added issue that you can't always divide the Acts into scenes because not all the plays are divided that way. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. I've done a few of the comedies and histories and have followed whatever was printed (i.e. just division into Acts or into Acts and Scenes). With Hamlet the printer has started by dividing into Acts and Scenes in Act I. but after Act I., Scene III. has abandoned marking the acts and scenes. There are some markings for Act II. too but after that there's nothing. I'm transcluding at the scene level, following the divisions used elsewhere, and which can be identified from the stage directions. Otherwise it would be just one long screed.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

:: OK.  But keep in mind that, the way you're currently doing the FF that people trying to grab a download will not be able to do so.  For the final work to be downloadable, ''all'' content must be listed on the work's principal page.  That includes every play subpage, and every act/scene subpage.  If they aren't listed on the principal page for the FF in a table of contents, then the download won't grab them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Hi. Although there is a main page with a table of contents (i.e. [[Shakespeare - First Folio facsimile (1910)]]) it clearly isn't complete yet. The content of the 'front matter' sub page (see [[Shakespeare - First Folio facsimile (1910)/Front matter|Front matter]]) either needs including on the main page (e.g. the title page) or breaking into individual sections (e.g. the individual poems). An AuxTOC section then needs adding to the main page, rather than what's there at the moment. The 'front matter' sub-page also contains the ToC page from the work, which needs removing. The way it's set up at the moment isn't my doing. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

== Specific linking in author pages to poems/short stories/etc. ==

Please prefer a link like this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[The Death Bed (Cuney)|The Death Bed]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

over something like

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Fire!!/The Death Bed]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't think that there's a hard rule for this on Wikisource, however the likelihood is relatively high that any number of the works in ''Fire!!'' might have appeared in other collections, or perhaps as individual reprints of themselves. Those collections/reprints may someday get representation on Wikisource, so having a generic link there would prevent us from having to change the data on all the author pages later when a versions page is made. So I at least would prefer it for the sake of the DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) axiom. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I can't say I agree with you, because:
:(1) If I click on a link for a work, I expect to be taken to a copy of that work, not to a page that might contain several versions of it and then have to choose among them. Access to other versions (whether there are actually other copies, or just 'might be one day' ones) can then be had via the 'other versions' link at the top of the work.
:(2) If I put a link in a work to the origin of a quotation (such as those perennial favourites, Shakespeare, Paradise Lost and the Bible}, I don't link to a 'versions' page and then let the reader pick one for themselves and wade through the whole work to try and find the line(s) of interest. I link to a specific point in one version.
:(3) If I'd named the transcription 'The Death Bed' or 'The Death Bed (Cuney)' instead of 'Fire!!/Flame from the Dark Tower/The Death Bed' then I might agree with you, since - in the unlikely event of further versions - that would require moving things about to create a disambiguation page. But I didn't.
:(4) I spend too much time as it is doing stuff on this site without expending even more effort creating pages that probably won't ever get used. For an example of where this gets you, see the 'Folios' section of [[Hamlet (Shakespeare)]].
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Sections in a Journal of the Plague Year ==

Hi,

Just curious, when transcluding a Journal of the Plague Year, did you have pages in mind to put in each of the three sections in the auxiliary table of contents? I only ask because (a) I dislike transcluding works all on one page, and (b) having a look through all the pages, I can't seem to see any clearly identifiable sections. If you prefer, I can transclude a single section (&quot;Memoirs of the Plague&quot;) and cut sections 2 and 3 from the ToC (at least everything isn't then on the opening page for the work), or I can cut the ToC entirely and put everything on the front page (after transcluding, it should then be easier to search for issues/missing nops etc.).

Thanks (and thanks for helping with many of the other MC transclusions),[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Soft redirects such as at [[Elegy (Swinburne)]] ==

It appears you turned the redirect at [[Elegy (Swinburne)]] into a soft redirection to [[Astrophel and Other Poems/Elegy]] from a hard redirection. Hard redirects are preferred at Wikisource unless they are in the form of a disambiguation page. The soft redirects recently got process-deleted by [[User:Xover|Xover]], which they did along with several other pages in the now non-existent category [[:Category:Soft redirects/March 2021]]. Note also to the deleter [[User:Xover|Xover]], and [[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] who also edited, that the redirects to the poems of [[Astrophel and Other Poems]] will eventually need to be recreated and disambiguated accordingly. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

== [[North and South (First Edition)]] ==

This work will not download for readers because the chapters are not listed on the first page.  Downloads only work if the contents are fully listed on the first page of the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

== Missing images on The Strand ==

Hi,

Did you forget about [[Page:The Strand Magazine (Volume 3).djvu/6]] and [[Page:The Strand Magazine (Volume 3).djvu/8]], or just haven't got around to them yet? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

:I bring it up because the current state puts them into the [[:Category:Pages with missing files]] maintenance category (which should generally be empty so that we can catch any genuine problems and fix them). Would you be opposed to removing the placeholder filename in the {{tl|img float}} templates? That would leave the templates in place, but not cause the page to land in that maintenance category. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello,
::I've no problem with your suggested change, which I've done. I wasn't planning on doing the images any time soon, as there are lots of them in the whole work. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Formatting in [[Index:Hebrew Melodies.djvu]] ==

Hi, I'm validating this work and I have a question about the formatting of poem titles.

Where the title is printed on more than one line, sometimes you have preserved it but sometimes you have not. For example, [[Page:Hebrew Melodies.djvu/54|page 42]] vs. [[Page:Hebrew Melodies.djvu/27|page 15]]. How did you choose when to do this? On reflection, how do you think it should be? Ideally I would like to get it in a consistent state before finishing the validation.

Thanks in advance! [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 12:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. Thanks for the work you're doing - hopefully I've not made too many errors.
:I don't have a specific system for dealing with titles (poems or otherwise). I do split the title to follow the design intent if different parts of it are in different font sizes or formats. For poems, if (unsplit) the total length of the title is less than the length of the longest verse, I tend to leave it on one line. If (unsplit) it is longer than the verses of the poem, I think it sometimes makes the overall layout (when transcluded) look 'off-centre', so I split it, depending on how it looks to me. 
:I won't die in a ditch over this - if you want to change things to make them all consistent, then feel free. 
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the explanation, it does make sense to me. It's a sensible approach and you've applied it consistently, so I'm happy to leave it as is. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 15:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

== Cleanup templates ==

[[File:AsAManThinketh - temp screenshot PM.png|thumb]]

Please do not [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=As_a_Man_Thinketh&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=12390638&amp;oldid=12386619 remove cleanup templates] until the issue has been corrected  The work's chapter pages are still missing header templates, as required by our Style Guide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

At right is a screenshot of the code for Chapter 1 of [[As a Man Thinketh]] as an example.  There is no header template on this or any of the other chapters of the work.  The header templates need to be added for this work to meet Wikisource standards. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Folio header block image missing ==

Hi. Just in case it's an oversight (vs. work in progress or similar), [[Page:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910.djvu/856]] refers to [[:File:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910 - header block type 3.jpg]], which doesn't exist. No worries if you just haven't got around to it yet; I just saw it while processing the backlog in [[:Category:Pages with missing files]] and figured I'd drop you a note just in case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 13:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. Although I've done most of the images from the work, there are some outstanding, including the one you came across (which is an upside down version of one of the header types already on Commons and used elsewhere in this work). I hope to get round to them soon - currently progressing 'Anthony and Cleopatra'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Pastorals Epistles Odes (1748) ==

Normally, if a work has been proofread and transcribed including long-s, to preserve the original, it is impolite to remove them all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

:I wouldn't bother normally but the proofreading isn't that good (missing lines, mis-spellings masked by the pointless replication of the long 's') and the use of multiple carriage returns instead of {{dhr}}. Plus the larger text items are disproportionately large compared to the basis text size. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted your changes to the Pindar section because you have altered formatting in a way that does not match the original.  The poem is neither centered nor shrunk into the middle of the page, but is left-aligned.  You also altered line spacing, among other things, which neither follows the source nor is consistent across pages.  Please check against the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Validating Index:A study of Ben Jonson (IA studyofbenjonson00swinrich).pdf ==

Please see [[Page:A study of Ben Jonson (IA studyofbenjonson00swinrich).pdf/147]] in the upper left half corner, is an orphaned format {{fine| that has no closure on the other end.  If I try to fix it, the page reverts to needing a Proofread.  [[User:Maile66|Maile66]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I've fixed the problem. Thanks for doing the validation on this work, and some others I've done (e.g. A Little Country Girl, A Satyr against Hypocrites, A Woman's Estimate of Walt Whitman, etc.) [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

== 'What pages can I validate, etc.' gadget ==

cf. [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2022#'What_pages_can_I_validate,_etc.'_gadget|WS:S/H#'What pages can I validate, etc.' gadget]]. It took a bit longer than hoped-for, but I've now rewritten that gadget so it should work with the latest Proofread Page output. Let me know how it works for you. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 21:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:Everything seems to be back in order. Thanks for fixing it, it'll certainly help me. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

== First part of Wallenstein, scene XII ==

Hello. It seems to me that the [[Page:Wallenstein, a drama in 2 parts - Schiller (tr. Coleridge) (1800).djvu/127|scene XII]] is not written in verse and so the &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; tag should not be used there and the lines should be joined. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

== categorising in main namespace ==

Hi. With categorising in the main namespace there needs to be a little caution. When it is biographies of people, the articles will fall under &quot;category:biographies of ...&quot; not under the occupational categories like [[:category:English poets]] as the latter categories are set aside for people pages in the Author: namespace. You can see a split under a page like 
[[:Category:Occupations]] where I have tried to tidy it up.  We still have not worked out the process for people in the Portal: namespace, or I haven't further worked on it. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== [[The Jade Story Book]] ==

I just ran across [[The Jade Story Book]] and saw the note there regarding the toc. Annoying to deal with all the myriad ways people have constructed tocs over the years. But I wonder, why did you go with &quot;/Chapter 1&quot; etc. instead of simply naming the subpages after the title of the story? I guess I'm trying to figure out whether it was a deliberate choice of one over the other, or just what you happened to pick there and then. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I'm not sure I can remember. I know that the general guidance is to use the title of a story for collections of stories (as also with poems) but in this case I probably though using numbers was easier for linking the transcluded stories together (via 'previous' and 'next') following the order they appear in the book, rather than as per the ordering in the TOC. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::So not particularly invested in the current page naming if I should go insane and decide to rename them? I probably won't, at least any time soon, but the thought briefly gripped me before sanity reasserted itself. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::No. I had no particular interest in the work. It was on the 'Monthly Challenge' - in the 'to fix' category I think - so I did what I could. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
== [[The She-Gallants]] ==

Why? It was already dealt with, why did you make a mess of it? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

:Why what? Made a mess of what? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Notes on Democracy -- audio ==

[[:commons:Category:Notes on Democracy (Mencken, 1926)]].  The book appeared at librivox shortly after yours hit the New Texts.  The librivox audio are single channel mp3, these are nicely tagged 2 channel oggs.  I should get back to previous commitments, so maybe you could add them to the chapters?  I can do it soon, though, unless you don't want them included in your book here.  If you don't want them there, tell me.

Also, I need to add the chapter link to each file at commons (I could have done this at upload time!) Great work, nice job.  I am glad it is here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I have no particular attachment to this text, I just did a small amount of work on it to get it over the line as part of the monthly challenge. If you want to add audio files, then go ahead. Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

== For editing WD from here ==

Hi. We have the WEF Framework gadget installed here, and it is really useful for batch editing a work or an author here, and can be used for creating items. Makes my life a lot easier, especially as it presents a range of fields to edit and one can do it with the page of data in front of you. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. I appreciate you taking the time to offer advice which makes life easier, but unfortunately I don't actually understand what you've told me. I've looked on the 'Gadgets' tab in my 'Preferences' for something corresponding to your description of the gadget but can't see anything. Did you mean to include a link in your message?  Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

== Hume's Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding ==

Thanks so much for completing transcription of this work! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

== you don't like wikidata templates? ==

I am wondering about {{diff|12598897|diff=12977175|text=these changes to Maggie Brown.}}--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 18:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there,
:In response to your question, I would say my main problem with the templates, and why I edited the page, is that the output they produce is inconsistent with what appear to be the general rules for formatting author pages (i.e. Title of work in italics, date in brackets, and if work is a part of a larger, such as a poem in a collection of poems, work title in normal font and enclosed in quotation marks.)
:Whilst I get the use of Wikidata as a single source of information to feed other wikis, the information in it is, in my limited experience, inconsistently formatted. Editing or adding to it not a nice experience.
: 
:I'd also say that the WD templates feel like clever IT solutions by people who like coding, rather than user-friendly tools for simple-minded transcribers like me, and they are very poorly documented.
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

::Well, for sure, the templates put quotes around whatever wikidata has for the name of the data (not what is in the title property) and the italics are used for the &quot;published in&quot; property.  I wrote it to work with articles first, thinking that the same rules would work for both the book and the article.

::About inconsistency!  Are you complaining that without wikidata, the inconsistency is only in the hundreds of thousands of links appearing at the version and author and portal pages!  Your argument assumes a previous consistency that you are returning to which completely does not exist.  Also, you just subst: it, so you made a not templated version of what the template was doing.  

::As far as coding goes, I am pretty simple; resisting the urge to stray beyond the basic calls, not completely &quot;getting&quot; some of the terse code acrobatics that can be employed by the less simple. This person, however, has manually changed links for on thing on several wikis (the biology based subjects span the languages, so 20 link changes is not unthinkable).  This human would rather change it just once; and would like English literature buffs to perhaps understand a more global use of wikis than they experience.

::One other mistake that you might be making is that you think that computers are complex.  That is not true.  Computers are the stupidest thing human beings have ever created.  Enabled stupidity; they really need to be told each step no matter how insignificant this would seem to a functioning human brain.  If you can count to 3 without help, you are smarter than a computer.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 14:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, so, I was confused about &quot;inconsistency&quot; because I thought my templates reflected a good version of what the normal was here.  Today I saw that there had been a change in the formatting; the date no longer appears at the end, and personally, I think it looks awkward to have it in parenthesis where it shows now, but no one asked my opinion.  See {{diff|12985259|what Billinghurst did here|12985257}}, well, read the comment on the left.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. Thanks for the reply, which to some extent reinforces my point. 
:I do think computers are very complex pieces of technology but I also agree they do a very simple thing (i.e. follow rules). 
:My comment about consistency was not to do with Wikidata, it was to do with whether the output the template produces (in terms of both content and format) is consistent with the general approach adopted on many author pages where 'manual' linking has been used (based on my own experience, pretty much all author pages use manual linking for everything other than major reference works, such as DNB or EB1911).  
:I'm not a computer programmer (other than dabbling with macros in Excel (before VBA), my only other experience of coding was with Fortran 4 in the early 1980's). As a transcriber I'm not interested in what is going on 'under the bonnet/hood', I just need to know that a 'tool' is available, what it does and how to use it. It would also be good if it works properly in conjunction with other 'tools' and, as in this particular case, whether the output it produces is consistent with the general Wikisource guidance. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 03:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

== [[Great Expectations (1st edition)]] ==

This is ''not'' the first published edition, though it is the first ''book'' edition.  It is better to identify an edition by year and publisher than by edition number.  Edition numbers get complicated, especially with novels whose first publication was serialized, and where US and UK editions were published in the same year. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. With regard to the naming of the above, and the correspondence with @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]]. When naming the work, I followed the example of other first editions such as 'Jane Eyre' and 'Frankenstein'. I have named the transcluded chapters 'Chapter 1', 'Chapter 2', etc. per the guidance, but have titled them using roman numerals in line with the text. 
:Setting aside whether a work published in multiple parts in a magazine is an 'edition', technically the scan appears to be of the first edition of the book, based on the description given in ''The First Editions of the Writings of Charles Dickens and their Values: A Bibliography'' (1913), by John C. Eckel, pp. 91-92 [https://archive.org/details/firsteditionsofw00eckerich]. To what extent, if any, the work was corrected during printing is not stated. This edition also pre-dates the first appearance of the work in America (see ''First and Early American Editions of the Works of Charles Dickens'' (1968), by William Glyde Wilkins, pp. 31-32. [https://archive.org/details/firstearlyameric0000wilk] [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 02:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

== Anon. Letter to Adam Smith ==

Hi Chrisguise,

very interesting, that you uploaded and proofread [[A Letter to Adam Smith LL.D. on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume Esq.]] I started validating, and tried to make some links (like on [[Page:A Letter to Adam Smith on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume (1777).djvu/17|this page]]). Of course I'll continue soon.

Now I have a question. For instance on [[Page:A Letter to Adam Smith on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume (1777).djvu/19|page 5]], reference is made to page 43 (and 59) of &quot;Life, &amp;c.&quot; Do you know which page 43 is meant? Our own edition of ''[[The Life of David Hume, Esq.]]'' has only 35 pages! 

Greetings, --[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 08:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there. The two references you mention are given as 'Life, etc.', which is the overall work (i.e. 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). However, the part of the work written by Hume ('My Own Life') is, as you say, only 35 pages out of the total of 62. The references to p.43 and p.59 are pointing at information in the 'Letter from Adam Smith' which is part of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'. For example, the anonymous author refers to the playing of whist (a card game), which Adam Smith mentions in his letter (on page 49 of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). Likewise, the quote used by the anonymous author (&quot;men will, no doubt, judge variously&quot;) is directly from Smith's letter (on page 59 of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). Hope that makes sense, Regards, and with thanks for your validation efforts, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

::Found it! It's really great.... You also created &quot;The Life,&quot; including the letter of Smith! Especially the letter of Smith does interest me a lot. A couple of years ago I've been on a &quot;pilgrimage&quot; to Kirkcaldy (and Edinburgh), so you understand.... Wonderful.... Now I have a nice list of &quot;validating&quot; things again!  I'll do my best. Greetings, --[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 09:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:::No problem. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

== Tragedy... ==

Hi Chris,{{pbr}}Not to get all possessive and all, nor suggest the help is not appreciated (it very much is!), but… Maybe chill a bit before diving in when I'm still working on it? It's a text I've been working on for nearly five years. I was in the middle of going through the older bits to bring them in line with the more recently done bits, tidying up and standardising, etc.; and then transcluding everything in a standard way. When you start wading into the middle of that it kinda feels like I have to &quot;clean up&quot; and redo stuff after a second person in addition to cleaning up after myself-from-half-a-decade-ago. And the way I've done things (like the chapter headings) is mostly deliberate. If you think I've messed them up some way (I'm far from infallible!), bring it up on talk somewhere and we'll hash it out. In particular, I've been more concerned with ''standardising'' the chapter headings than the fine details of ''formatting'' them, because then I can bot-adjust them in one go or change the formatting with CSS. When you jump in and start changing them (regardless of whether one or the other is the &quot;right&quot; way) you kinda throw a wrench into that plan.{{pbr}}Please don't take this as indicating I'm not grateful for the help. I very very much am! It's just a gentle nudge to avoid needlessly stepping on one another's toes too much. 😀 [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there. Sorry, it's another instance on my part of disappearing down a rabbit hole, having chanced upon the index page while following up links and connections with other things, and then getting drawn in and .... before you know it ...! I see things in the state of progress that this one is in and think that, if I lend some assistance, it can be got over the line in terms of completing the proofread and transclusion, without really thinking about what has been done to get it to where it is in the first place. I should take time to review.
:Like you I have things I've been working on for a long time (haven't made 5 years yet, but I only started doing this four years ago). Maybe I wouldn't take so long if I didn't keep getting distracted.
:Not sure whether you want me to revert the changes I made. I have used the standard header template for the transclusion and followed your ToC set up. I also believe I've been consistent in applying the font size changes to chapter titles, so automated changes should still work. Just reverting the changes will loose some actual corrections, though (plus see the following observations). 
:(i) I didn't understand the need to increase the font size of headings beyond what is in the original work. It seems to me to create emphasis where there is none in the original. I just replicate what's in the printed work as best I can; (ii) I've done a reasonable amount of poetry transcription using &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and I've found that if you don't include both the 'start' and 'end' parameters it can lead to problems; (iii) the ppoem format isn't really working for the dialogue sections quoted in the notes. I only came across the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{playscript}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rbstagedir}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; templates recently, and this is the first time that I've tried them, but they seem to work reasonably well. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:P.S. Regarding the font size thing, lots of people seem to do this. They see a title that's all capitals and assume its a larger font, when the capitals are just the same as those used in the main body. I probably did it myself before I found a Firefox add-in that allows you to measure features on web pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
::No need to revert. As you say, that tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have lots of fixing still to do on this before it's done.{{pbr}}One of those things is the headings, where the triple-xl etc. stuff was done in 2018 and now stood out to me as egregious. For the more recent parts I'd standardised on c+xl for the chapter headings, and c+xl+asc for the subheading. Mainly because I tend to use c+xl as a decent approximation, &quot;close enough&quot;, for most texts, and was planning to assess the need for further tweaks in a last pass over it. cf. a recent WS:S discussion (that I'm too lazy to dig up and link just now) I'm toying with the idea of creating some generic &quot;chapter heading&quot; templates that have really basic default formatting, but contains hooks so you can apply an Index stylesheet to them to get the details just right. This particular text was one of my main motivations for that.{{pbr}}The play texts—the ones with speech prefixes—are another bit that is on my todo list to fix. I'm fairly sure I can do it with CSS, in which case I'll get all of them in one fell swoop. But in any case, they're a known issue and I'd just left them for this fixup pass after finishing the transcription.{{pbr}}{{tl|ppoem}} should under no circumstances need explicit start/end params stating the defaults (it should literally do ''nothing'' except make the template syntax more complicated). If you run across any instances where that's needed then it's a bug and we should fix it. Ppoem isn't really designed to do play scripts just now, but I'm investigating ways it could be adopted to do so (possibly by giving it a {{tl|pplay}} sister template). It might be too complicated to try to address all the myriad ways play scripts are formatted, but I think a large proportion of cases could probably be handled the same way ppoem does it. {{tl|playscript}}, {{tl|playscript2}}, and {{tl|rbstagedir}} are decent attempts, but they still suffer from a lot of the problems (complicated to use, fragile and prone to breakage, unexpected and non-intuitive behaviours, etc.) that made {{tl|ppoem}} necessary for poems.{{pbr}}In any case… Let me finish honing up the rough edges and polishing it a bit, and then I'll give you a ping. Feedback like the above (heading size etc.) is always useful, even if I might want to find some alternate way to approach it (opinionated and geeky, you know how that goes). And I know there'll be stuff I missed in the Proofreading so a second pair of eyes is always welcome (e.g. I've discovered I have a blind spot for italic emphasis in text, so there's bound to be a bunch of missed italics in there). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi, OK with the not reverting and awaiting your ping.
:::As I don't have any HTML programming knowledge (or much other programming knowledge for that matter) I can't really comment on the robustness or otherwise of different templates (I just want them to work for me).
:::I was puzzled by your comment about the 'ppoem' start / end parameters. They are required where the poetry spans more than one page - if you don't it doesn't transclude properly. If you do it as separate blocks on adjacent pages, the width of the text block varies depending on verse length and, as the block is centered by default, the sections of text don't left align on transclusion.  Likewise, if you have poetry in a footnote in a poem it seems to be essential to use these parameters (two of my long term projects are [[Hudibras]], by [[author:Samuel Butler (1612-1680)|Samuel Butler]], and [[The Dunciad]] by [[author:Alexander Pope|Alexander Pope]] - footnotes galore!) Given this, I have defaulted to always using the parameters every time I use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, with all of the possible combinations in my clipboard manager.
:::I do find &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; much better than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;, apart from the overly large - and non-adjustable - indent it uses when wrapping lines.
:::Regarding the your potential header templates, there are various ones I've come across that may be trying to do as you suggest (don't keep a record) the most recent one is called something like 'pseudoheading'. There's another one I've come across (don't recall the name) where you define the chapter heading and subheading sizes with a 1, 2, etc - and which is another example of inflated heading font sizes). I personally just stick to the simple options given in the 'help' pages. I dislike things where you need to use style sheets, noting comment about HTML programming above. Likewise, things like the truncated version of the header template, where I can't see what's going on 'under the bonnet' in terms of what it displays - or doesn't (not helped by poor help documentation). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
::::{{para|start}} and {{para|end}} for {{tl|ppoem}} are required when its contents span multiple pages, but ''not'' when it is used within a single page; that is, when the value you give to those parameters are, respectively, &lt;code&gt;open&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;close&lt;/code&gt;. When you do not give {{tl|ppoem}} these parameters, {{para|start|open}} and {{para|end|close}} are the default values it uses, and so specifying them explicitly is redundant. It should ''never'' be necessary to explicitly specify {{para|start|open}} and {{para|end|close}}. Other values of these two parameters are, obviously, needed when spanning pages.{{pbr}}Yeah, IndexStyles are not for normal people. We'll have to provide some nice cut&amp;paste-able snippets for common scenarios and good user-friendly instructions. For example, tweaking the hanging indent for {{tl|ppoem}} should be possible with that method (and re-usable across texts that use it). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the clarification on ppoem [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

== Dryden's Aeneis ==

I see that you moved the location of this work, but did not correct the name.  In the place you've transferred it to, the work is uniformly called ''Æeneis'', not ''Aeneid'', so all the pagenames and titles need to be corrected, as well as the internal titles and pagelinks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:Not paying sufficient attention. I will fix it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== One disambiguation page per page title ==

Hi. Where an author writes multiple works of the same name, all those titles belong on the general disambiguation page for the page title, rather than split off to a separate author related disambig page. The basic theory is that Wikidata allows one disambiguation page per title, and overtly if the works are different then it becomes irrelevant that they are by the same author. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:Along those same lines, we only enter '''one''' of either {{tl|similar}} or {{tl|versions}} to a page, never two, or one of each. Similarly on a disambiguation page itself, we would not use the template similar, we have been using a &quot;see also&quot; section. A versions page can use the template similar. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
::OK, noted. I was following other instances I'd seen of using both similar and versions, etc. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi. I am asking, not criticising. I understand how it comes about about, and often with these hatnotes typically the more becomes the standard when people do replicate others. I am simply trying to gently educate with a little background. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi. I wasn't taking offence, just acknowledging your point and offering an explanation of why I'd been using both templates in cases when both are valid. Although there's a lot of 'help' documentation on the site, I sometimes find it difficult to find answers to specific questions, so tend to follow what I see others doing, with the attendant risk of copying things that aren't correct. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

== Move rather than convert &quot;version&quot; pages to &quot;disambiguation&quot; pages ==

Hi. Would you please check the wikidata link prior to acting with something like [[special:diff/13139123|this change]]. The previous addition of the additional was wrong and there should have been the removal/revert of that previous addition, then a move of the &quot;versions&quot; page.

What has happened is that we ended up with the the wikidata item being incorrectly assigned. If we had moved then the processes at Wikidata will have automatically update the item. Then the newly created redirect will be able to be converted to a disambiguation page and all is then fine.  I have fixed up the items (imperfectly). Also when we move things, it should be a reminder to check for the underlying incoming links and update those as required to point to the right place(s).

There are a number of scripts that can be switched on to see some of the background data, if interested, though they do add a bit of noise to the tops of pages. For me as an editor, the additional noise is worth it. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

== [[An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals]] ==

I stumbled across this text (excellent work as always, btw!) and noticed the notes regarding the errata etc. I think—and I stress that this is just my opinion—that any &quot;self reference&quot; to Wikisource and how it is made, in this case mentioning the specific templates used, is information for other Wikisource contributors and should go on the talk page. What we put in the notes field in the header should be for our readers, and should avoid all references to technical issues or other &quot;Inside Baseball&quot; stuff. I didn't want to just wade in there and change it, so I figured I'd drop a note on your talk to see if you agree instead. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. If it's in the wrong place feel free to do the necessary. I'm not very familiar with the culture of Wikisource so am not really up with 'how things are done round here'. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:00, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[Special:Diff/13193218|This]] would be my suggestion. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
:I quite like the 'Errata' template, but there are other places it doesn't really work, including 'ppoem' (although I think I recall using it successfully inside &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:05, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::I'm not that enthusiastic about it. It veers too far into [[Wikisource:Annotations|annotation]] territory to my liking. For most works I would argue that we should reproduce as printed, without incorporating errata. I'd be hard pressed to come up with an example of a text where I would support incorporating them, and I would in any case argue that {{tl|errata}} is the wrong way to do so. But I'll spare you that rant; it's an issue that would need a discussion on [[WS:S]] to settle in any case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

== no requirement for all front matter ==

Hi. We can be judicious in our selection of pages, and the use of the cover is not mandated. If you want to change the pages that I transclude or understand why I have done what I have done, then please ask. [I have plenty of experience in this area]  If if if if you think that some front matter would do well being added, then often we can add a &quot;/front matter/&quot; page using the {{parameter|previous}} from the root page. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
:I can also note the light rule of primogeniture that we have here.  If someone has set a style/setup, where it is basically acceptable and within the guidance of the site, then please leave it to the person who introduced the work. Best not to rework someone else's efforts just as you have a different idea. Changing to things like {{tl|dhr}}, etc. is not the sort of thing encouraged just because you prefer it. Some of us don't want superfluous code filling our works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:53, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
::Hi, I don't do it (i.e use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;) because I prefer it, I'm trying to comply as best I can with the requirements stated in the help and guidance. The last time I looked the guidance said spacing shouldn't be created by multiple carriage returns.
::I also thought the point was to create complete versions of works, rather than to leave out odd bits (like covers or graphics). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
::I also note you seem to suffer from the common tendency to over-inflate the font size of title and chapter headings. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
== [[The Complete Poems of Emily Brontë/Unpublished Poems]] ==

When you changed the transclusion for this, it broke all of the redirection references. Please fix this. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:Don't know how I missed this, having done the ones for the other sections. All invalid links to 'Unpublished poems' have been fixed. The remaining ones are valid. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

== The Souls of Black Folk ==

Please do not change someone's formatting to a completely different style of formatting without first asking them.  In ''The Souls of Black Folk'', each chapter starts with a poem, and some of these ''cannot'' use the {{tl|ppoem}} formatting because that template is not flexible enough to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Please also review what billinghurst said above: &quot;I can also note the light rule of primogeniture that we have here. If someone has set a style/setup, where it is basically acceptable and within the guidance of the site, then please leave it to the person who introduced the work. Best not to rework someone else's efforts just as you have a different idea.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

== Request ==

* ''[[Low-Life (1750)|Low-Life]]'' (1750), written anonymously {{esl|1=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Low_Life_or_One_half_of_the_world_knows/HxpbAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1}}

Seems like it would be up your alley. Any interest? [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 03:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

== A Changed Man ==

I notice that there are five pages from [[Page:A Changed Man (1913).pdf/430]] which are blank and are not linked from the index. Should they be linked ? If not, are they needed ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

:They are redundant and can be deleted. I created them before I realised that there were problems with the scan file. Fixing the file reduced the number of pages from 434 to 426. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
::OK. Will you propose them for deletion, or shall I ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I have marked them for deletion. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

== Double redirects ==

It seems that several recent page moves have created double redirects - [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 08:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

:Apologies. All the ones I caused are now fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

== [[Index:Diary of a Pilgrimage (1891).pdf]] ==

I believe that Xover has made the necessary changes to the pages. Can the note be removed from the index ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:Done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:56, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

== Moves with subpages best undertaken by an admin ==

Hi. It is preferred that if there are multiple pages/subpages being moved for a work that they are undertaken by an admin.  You can request those moves at [[WS:AN]]. The reason that this is preferred is that we have the ready ability to move subpages at the same time, which allows a better control. It also allows us to move without redirects for subpages, as we have found that in many cases that redirects for subpages and their talk pages can be problematic for us. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:OK [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

== Please consider archiving this talk page ==

Hi. This talk page is getting very long, and taking time to load.  We have [[User:Wikisource-bot]] available to do this easily. There are instructions on the page, and numbers of people utilise this to keep their talk pages to a manageable level. Thanks for the consideration. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:With algo = old(2000d), it will archive threads older than 5 years. Is it what you actually want or is a typo? [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 13:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

== Philosophical Transactions - Volume 012.djvu ==

There are four pages at the start, from [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 012.djvu/1]] to 4, which are blank and are showing on the orphaned pages as having to incoming links. Should those pages be linked from the index ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. I've not seen blank pages marked as 'empty' before. I changed the &lt;pagelist&gt; to the usual &quot;-&quot; so the pages will probably drop off the orphaned pages list. There aren't any links now according to the transclusion checking tool. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
::Cheers - that seems to have solved it. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

== [[Footsteps of Dr. Johnson (Scotland)]] ==

The transcluded copy has no table of contents, and no means to navigate from the primary page to any other part of the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Paracelsus ==

There are a number of pages from [[Page:Paracelsus (IA b29299731).pdf/235]] on that seem to be over scans. I will mark them for speedy delete as redundant. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:Another case where the transcription was started then problems were discovered with the file, correction of which resulted in a reduced number of pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

== [[The Music of the Spheres]] ==

Please be careful to add correct licensing.  1977 is not 100 years ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

:I know that. I use some default text then go back and adjust it, only you beat me to it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

== Versions clarified on author pages ==

I appreciate the sentiment to clarify the version on the author page. However, there's a reason that versions pages exist: to clear up that very type of doubt about which source you want to see the work in. I know here on Wikisource we don't tend to have a whole lot of works with more than one available version transcribed, but with most works multiple versions do exist (even if they're just reprints). So, if we were to imagine a scenario where all versions were elaborated on in both author pages and versions pages, we'd have author pages littered full of editions, which would clutter up the author pages. For example, imagine if we had [[Oliver Twist|all of this]] or [[The Scarlet Letter|all of this]] on author pages. This type of version clarification also would repeat the same long-form data across multiple pages (portal, author, etc.), and repetition should always be cut out of the workflow wherever possible. So that also isn't well aligned with the {{w|Don't repeat yourself|DRY}} principle.

So, while there's currently no versions pages for those works, there will be one day, and I'm trying to prepare for the inevitable time when that will happen, as well as I can. Just wanted to explain my logic in purposefully not clarifying what collection works are held in, except in versions pages. (And in this case, [[Critical Woodcuts/Introductory#xiv|Sherman did mention]] that &quot;the essays in this volume were ''all'' printed [in] the ''Herald Tribune''&quot; previously. So we know that at least one other version definitely exists of that specific essay.) [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 07:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
: Oh... It turns out [[Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens]]'s author page ''is'' littered with tons of editions. Well that's definitely not right, and it's not quite respecting the principles behind a versions page. So someone should clean that up (but not tonight for me). [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 07:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
::I suppose my approach is to transcribe works and only create versions pages (and redirects) if there's more than one version, rather than creating them in preparation for some eventuality that may not happen (is someone really going to transcribe multiple versions of Shakespeare's first folio, just because the front matter is differently ordered or incomplete, or there may be in-press corrections?){{pbr}}I've come across various author pages where there are multiple editions (mostly translations of Greek and Roman authors - see for example Plato and Aristotle. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:West African Studies.djvu|West African Studies]] ==

Hi Chrisguise,

Not exactly sure what you did, but it looks like you fixed West African Studies, so thanks. I would be curious to know a little more about how you managed this, if it is not too complicated. Also, can the progress be updated from &quot;create a pagelist&quot;, or is there still some issue?

Thanks again,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:I can't claim to have done anything really. I looked to see if I could find a better scan of the work to try to get replacement pages but I just ended up back at IA. I did a search to see whether they had other scans of the same edition and found one which appeared to be complete (which turned out to be the case), and uploaded it in place of the original. {{pbr}} Although it's a bit time consuming I find that I have to spend time checking files before I upload them as so many of them are poor or incomplete.{{pbr}}Regarding your second question, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. I can only create the pagelist manually, and I'm not aware that the pagelist can be used to edit the image file.{{pbr}}I have some software to edit DJVU files but I've only managed to figure out how to delete pages. If I need to do anything more complicated I have to work with a PDF and then convert it to a DJVU. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

== Nop ==

{{tl|Nop}} is a brute-force template meant to force line breaks that don't normally show up in the transclusion. It doesn't have any effect unless there's a separate paragraph in the middle of prose, but on a second page, where the technology can't break it on its own. {{tl|c}} and most other templates on front matters are block elements, so they produce a line break by default. It also isn't needed at the end of a chapter because that's the end of the transcluded page, so there's nothing to force the transclusion to break from. Plus, even if it weren't, chapters almost universally start with headers, which also produce a line break by default.

I've been noticing you have been adding these all over front matters, and it is a minor problem in each page because it adds in lots of HTML to the transcluded texts that don't have any semantic meaning or utility. I have already heard certain editors' &quot;just in case the situation could change&quot; and &quot;it doesn't hurt anything&quot; arguments for having these on all pages except prose that continues, but I'm not convinced by those arguments, since because of the HTML buildup, and because it also takes contributor time to add it to thousands of pages where it doesn't have any effect. It doesn't sound like much, since it's only 7 characters to type, but every ''second'' in this sea of works we have to get transcribe is significant at least to me. I try to cut out every second possible from my workflow.

Since there's no policy or real guideline limiting the use of this template, I'd like to encourage or recommend that this not be done, especially to works I've proofread, to keep the HTML and wiki code clean and use-driven. But no one can enforce it, so it's more a recommendation on my part, mostly for faster proofreading/validation.

Thanks for validating in general though. The typo corrections made by validators will be used to improve my OCR correction and typo detection software in the future. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 14:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

== House at Pooh Corner ==

Hi!

It has been very nice to collaborate with you on the index for House at Pooh Corner. Thanks for getting so many of the images in! We are so close to being done, and I am really excited to have it complete for all to read.

This is the first big project I've worked on here on Wikisource, so it has been a very nice experience.

What about this book drew you to it? [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 15:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
: I'd speculate that Chrisguise was drawn to this book since it's a popular title released into the public domain this year. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] Thanks. I contributed mainly because it's a cherished childhood memory, and I also read it to my own children when they were younger. I also did work on ''[[Winnie-the-Pooh]]'' and ''[[Now We Are Six]]''.{{pbr}}I've done all I can on this. I can't validate the remaining pages at 'proofread' as I did the proofreading. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
::And I've validated the remaining pages! Thank you once again for the collaboration. Very glad we were able to get this out to people so quickly.
::Please let me know if you're interested in any other collaborations. I know I'm interested in transcribing the Oz books that came after L. Frank Baum. Maybe we can circle back to that someday. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 14:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

== You broke the transclusion ==

When you made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_complete_poetical_works_of_Percy_Bysshe_Shelley%2C_including_materials_never_before_printed_in_any_edition_of_the_poems.djvu%2F726&amp;diff=13828689&amp;oldid=9260193 this edit] you broke the transclusion from this page.  Please repair it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Likewise with [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_complete_poetical_works_of_Percy_Bysshe_Shelley%2C_including_materials_never_before_printed_in_any_edition_of_the_poems.djvu%2F727&amp;diff=13828737&amp;oldid=9259728 this edit] and possibly others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Not sure what you're getting at. Transclusions of ''Homer's Hymn to Castor and Pollux'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Moon'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Sun'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Earth: Mother of All'', ''Homer's Hymn to Minerva'' and ''Homer's Hymn to Venus'' all look OK to me. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:: And the translation of Euripides' ''Cyclops''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
::: To fix the issue, you'll need to restore the section labelling you removed / changed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

== help transcribing? ==

Hello!
I am interested in transcribing [[Index:The Royal Book of Oz.djvu|The Royal Book of Oz]]. Would you be interested in helping me? I'm not great at the formatting, but I could transcribe the raw text as needed, add images, and validate pages. If this is of interest then please let me know. I don't really have any set deadline for doing it by, but rather just curious if someone would be able to help at all. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 02:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm happy to lend a hand. However, I'm generally working on 20 to 30 works at any given time so I won't be solely devoting my efforts to yours. I tend to flit about, so some things I do quickly, while others take much longer (e.g. of my last two additions to the Wikisource main page, ''[[Ode Occasion'd by the Death of Mr. Thomson]]'' took less than an hour to complete (v. short work) and ''[[Joan of Arc (Southey)|Joan of Arc]]'' took 3.5 years (I was only really interested in the part of it that was written by [[author:Samuel Taylor Coleridge|Samuel Taylor Coleridge]]). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:I've had a look at the work and it seems to be in an odd state. All of the chapters are there (see links from Table of Contents). The first 8 or 9 chapters are transcluded from transcribed pages, a number of others have a MATCH link at the top [I've not previously seen this, but if you click it, it should automatically generate and populate the pages for that chapter]. The final chapters don't seem to have this link but do contain the text of the complete chapter. This can be cut and pasted manually into the relevant pages (or you could get whoever did the match and split for the earlier chapters to do it - never done it myself although I think I have the necessary privileges). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:I've contributed to some works where the individual page transcriptions have been generated by the 'match and split' gadgettry. They've mainly been derived from Gutenberg. In my experience, it's often not clear which edition of a work Gutenberg has used, and they're not averse to 'improving' works they transcribe (but do seem to record the changes they make). Also, the detection of the page breaks by the Match and Split software is a bit hit and miss. The practical upshot is that I've generally reverted to regenerating the OCR for each page (of the three options available the Google OCR is by far the best, but it seems to be partially blind to long dashes and some styles of quotation marks).{{pbr}}The other drawback with works generated by 'match and split' is that the pages have not generally had any header and/or footer content (not even empty templates). I don't know whether the software can't do this, or whether whoever has done the work didn't think to do it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:As an example of some of these points, take a look at [[Page:The Royal Book of Oz.djvu/110|book page 98]] (image 110) and use the 'view history' to compare my version with what was there originally. The differences in punctuation alone suggest a different source text. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
::Interesting. I'm not really certain as to what the &quot;match and split&quot; tech is. I'm still very new to Wikisource. Is there a page I can read on it?
::And thanks for whatever you can add. I got the book added to the monthly challenges, so it should hopefully get some more attention over the next few months.
::I also noticed you were transcribing ''[[:Index:The Mystery of the Blue Train.pdf|The Mystery of the Blue Train]]'', I started to validate the pages and found that I was really enjoying the story. So thanks for the transcription, and I'd be glad to validate future pages as you go along. This is the first of any Christie work I have read. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 23:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:::If  you go to 'Help' in the menu at the LHS of the page, there's an item on there called 'match and split'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Redirects on Versions pages, such as [[The Stranger (Bierce)]] are put there on purpose. Please do not replace them with a direct link to a copy inside a specific edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 07:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

== Author:Algernon Charles Swinburne ==

Hello. I am astonished by your work done on the publications by this author, hats off! Because of the amount of work you have done there I feel obliged to drop you a note that I have slightly standardized his author page by removing the colours and also the links to scans of works that were already proofread, to follow the current practice. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

:I just used the colour coding to keep track of where I'd got to with things, since I worked on multiple books at any one time, and not continuously. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[The Rhearsal]] ==

This should be [[The Rehearsal]], not [[The Rhearsal]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know. Problem fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier ==

When someone has established a style for a work, it is considered polite to follow that style, and rude to plow ahead with a completely different style without even asking.  While I appreciate your eagerness to help, what you've done to page vi of the Contents listing will actually make it ''harder'' for me to work on the Contents, because in addition to formatting them, I now must first remove the inappropriate formatting you put in.  When you make work more difficult for other people, it is not appreciated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:I just think of it as doing the job properly with the tools provided. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
:: No, it wasn't.  The dotted templates are a coding nightmare, and the previous page did ''not'' use those templates.  I set up a Style page for the Contents, and was using it on the previous page.  You chose to ignore this and go your own way, and to say that your way is doing it &quot;properly&quot; (and mine wasn't) is both extremely rude and woefully ignorant of the conversations that we've been having about the problems that dotted templates cause. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
:::(1) It seems to me you made a conscious decision to just use a basic table for the ToC, which produces a visually poorer result than the specific ToC templates. Hence my comment, which may have been a bit brusque but I was brassed off, so sorry for that. Still am.
:::(2) Unless you have some automated way of generating tables from the very poor OCR, the amount of effort to produce the TOC either way appears to me to be much the same.
:::(3) I don't recall any comms between us about dotted templates and associated problems. 
:::(4) If there are problems with TOC templates, it begs the question why they aren't being fixed or the templates and associated guidance removed from service.
:::(5) I use the basic TOC templates because they are simple to use and, on the face of it, work. There seems to be another set of ever more complicated templates which are too tiresome to use, and for reasons which are not clear to me either do or don't produce functioning links depending where they're used (e.g. index, page, etc.) And you (and others) apparently want to do everything using CSS style sheets, which is presumably fine for the bunch of coders who look after the site, but it isn't very 'user oriented' for the non-coding numpty (i.e. me) who just wants basic tools to achieve a good quality result.
:::(6) There seems to be a few basic problems with templates. I was recently lectured on the use of 'nop', Despite its 'in principle' simple job of telling the system 'when transcluding this page, insert a line break before attaching the next one', in any number of circumstances it apparently generates 'too much HTML' (whatever that means). Rather than routinely applying a 'nop', I'm supposed to decide whether to use one depending on what's at the end of the page and whether it's a 'div' or a 'span' or it's a template with a built-in line break. Or I'm supposed to not use it at the end of chapters, or on front matter pages, although having seen the way some people transclude works, that doesn't seem wise. If this si such a problem perhaps a gadget is required to tell you that a 'nop' isn't needed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

== I made an awful mess with Wordsworth ==

Hello Chrisguise, 
Wikipedia has the correct information for the first publication of 'My Heart Leaps Up' and other works by Wordsworth (1807) but Wikisource did not. Wikisource was referring to a different, later Wordsworth publication of poems. In trying to correct the situation, I made an awful mess. I read everything suggested, and I am familiar with Billingshurst's guides and to be cautious. I spent hours on it, trying to fix it, then trying to repair the broken links I created.  I don't know how to repair my mess. 

Would you prefer if I just reverted everything I did? I'm glad to do that if it will make the situation easier to deal with. Please let me know here rather than on your talk page, if you wouldn't mind. I apologize for the mess! [[User:FeralOink|FeralOink]] ([[User talk:FeralOink|talk]]) 23:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:I've done a search for all your edits associated with the two editions of the work. My best guess is that reverting some of your changes would be the thing to do (but note the following). {{pbr}}
:You should note that there are already index pages for the 1807 edition at [[Index:Poems, in two volumes (IA poemsintwovolume01word).pdf]] and [[Index:Poems, in two volumes (IA poemsintwovolume00word).pdf]], which I uploaded in 2021 but haven't done much with since. I have appropriated some of the pages you created, rather than having to delete them, for the top level [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)]] and volume level [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)/Volume 1]] transclusions associated with these two index pages. I have also transcribed 'My heart leaps up' (see [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)/Volume 2/'My heart leaps up when I behold']]), so if you want to link to it from Wikipedia you can. I've added it to the versions page at [[My Heart Leaps Up]].{{pbr}}
:I've reverted a couple of things to put the 1815 edition back together, at the top level, and reverted the changed links to 'My Heart Leaps Up'. I would suggest putting in a deletion request for the index page you created without an attached file (don't know how you've done that). {{pbr}}
:As far as I know, there isn't any problem with having a date of first publication in Wikipedia and a later edition in Wikisource, so long as it's noted. In the case of Wordsworth, most of the links are to Wikisource version pages anyway, which (should) clearly state the publication and date where each version is from. I personally strive to find a scan of the first edition of any work I upload - although it's not always possible.  Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:The Crowne of all Homers Workes - Chapman (1624).djvu/27]] ==

This page is showing as having a lint error in the italics. It is in the ref, but I can't read the original, so don't want to just guess what to change. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

:Hopefully fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
::Looks good. Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[The Iliad of Homer (Pope)/front matter]] ==

As the Editor's Note is now transcluded on the main page of this work, what should be done about the separate page - have it deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
: Yes, deleted. (And I'm also not convinced having these extra &quot;/front matter&quot; subpages, unless the front matter has a ''huge'' amount of extraneous content compared to normal, is a good idea in general...) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] I would probably have moved it to 'Editor's preface' and then added it as an extra item to the ToC. I prefer the main page to start with the title page or frontispiece (or as close as possible) and not have loads of content before getting to the ToC. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] - didn't you put that Editor's Note onto the main page with [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Iliad_of_Homer_(Pope)&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=13844060 this edit] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] It would seem that I did - must be losing the plot. However, the principle still stands. Maybe it was because it was only one page.... [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::: If you feel that you need to recreate it for something else feel free, as long as no pages are transcluded twice. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] @[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] Not planning to. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

== smart quotes ==

If a work is being proofread using smart quotes, please be sure to use smart quotes in any page you mark as Proofread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

:Is this a general admonition or do you have something in mind? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
:: When you proofread front matter pages in ''The Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier'', you stripped out smart quotes.  All other pages of the work that have been proofread use smart quotes.  I do not know how many other works might be affected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::: There are lots of problems with smart quotes anyway, including the fact that many environments and keyboards (such as my own) don't support them, and the fact that they increase the margin of error significantly because there are more factors to consider when proofreading, for very little overall gain. To insist on using smart quotes because the rest of the work did would discourage future proofreaders, who refuse to use the things or can't, from participating. Last time I checked, English Wikipedia even disallows them outright in their titles for these reasons. The only exception to this rule I'd make is if we were preparing the Chicago Manual of Style or some similar work on grammar, where they may talk about the specifics of smart-quoting, but in just a regular work like a novel or anthology it's probably more practical to do away with them. We should just convert all the smart to non-smart in any work and have a general standard against their use, except in works where they're explicitly talked about in an academic context.
::: So, when non-smart is applied to a work that has smart, the smart should just be done away with. We need to decrease the barrier of entry here, and using smart quotes just increases that barrier. It makes it harder for everyone to get anything meaningful done. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] Apologies I'll fix them. I tend to habitually run 'Clean up OCR', which converts everything curly to straight. {{pbr}}I dislike the curly versions but I have a tool installed that converts all (well, almost) straight quotation marks to curly, which I have obviously omitted to run on this occasion (not the first time). The tool misses quotation marks that occur immediately after templates. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I appreciate engaged contributors with clear opinions, but on quote marks we've had the discussion and landed on a conclusion. I was personally very hesitant to change from requiring only straight quotes to permitting curly quotes, for many of the same reasons you list, but in practice it works just fine for most contributors. Provided, of course, that people pay attention to the standards applied for a given work. There is also established guidance that for large projects set up specifically for broad collaboration one should generally prefer straight quotes to reduce the overhead of coordinating consistent quotes. This really isn't very different from all other stylistic issues. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Does my above comment come across as all patronising and dismissive? I feel like maybe it does, so let me try to rephrase in a way that I don't look like a ''complete'' douche: {{tqi|but on quote marks we've &lt;ins&gt;actually&lt;/ins&gt; had &lt;ins&gt;a real [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-07#Revisiting curly quotes|community discussion]] followed by [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions|an RFC]]&lt;/ins&gt; and landed on a conclusion &lt;ins&gt;that [[Special:Diff/9625037|addressed the policy aspect]], unlike a lot of other issues that just kind of evolved over time.&lt;/ins&gt;.|q=y}} EP below managed to convey the same thing without coming across an idiot, so I've got to ''mea culpa'' this one. Sorry. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: We had a lengthy community discussion (several actually) and decisively allow curly quotes now.  I held your opinion with regard to smart quotes (and still prefer straight quotes mostly), but since the community decided to allow smart quotes, and that allowance has been incorporated into policy, there is no point in discussing the superiority of one to the exclusion of the other.  Policy simply requires that one or the other be consistently applied in a work or series, and explicitly allows either on the project.  For the Yale Shakespeare series, we use straight quotes.  For ''The Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier'', the editors adding poetry chose to use smart quotes, so smart quotes are to be applied consistently per community agreement. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

== Elmer Gantry ==

I noticed you were working on this novel at [[Index:Elmer Gantry (1927).djvu]]. Do you mind if I take the project over? I'll want to start it tomorrow or the next day, and estimated completion time (Wikidata items, Commons images, transclusion inclusive) is 6 hours, or 1 day. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

:Feel free. I only did work on it because it was part of the monthly challenge. I originally thought I could steal the transcription at https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300851h.html but had to resort to generating the text for each page because there were the inevitable changes.{{pbr}}It seems somewhat ambitious to do the work at the rate of approximately a page a minute. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
::I don't know whether you plan to review the changes that your software has made to the overwritten pages, but a quick review of the emails I'm getting shows that, on the positive side, it has picked up minor errors (predominantly odd commas). On the downside, it seems to be breaking things such as:
::* Links, where the name of the work quoted isn't the same as the link
::* Removing formatting intended to prevent inappropriate line wrapping (such as in the middle of acronyms), or changing &lt;nowiki&gt;{{...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which doesn't wrap, to . . . , which I presume does.
::* Hyphenating words which aren't hyphenated in the text.
::* Centralising text when it is actually right aligned., etc. etc.
::[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
::: Well, I did ''proofread'' these pages just so you're aware, all of them, following along the same scan as on the Index page—I just did it externally from the ProofreadPage system with some power-user technology I developed (spending ''many months'' to craft by the way), because the ProofreadPage system as it exists now is ''very'' slow and not conducive to good fast work. This is part of a project I'm currently engaging in, to mentally clock all the things our proofreading system lacks, so that I can suggest/develop specific improvements to it in the future that would make proofreading a lot more worthwhile a task for the average editor.
::: All of the front matter, except the nops and the half-title, are copied verbatim from what was already there, but the rest was proofread from scratch.
:::# I went out of my way to paste in your links ''before'' I started proofreading so I'm sad to see that you're upset about this. I probably took a good 30 extra minutes to do this. I did change a few of them to point to ''work'' pages rather than ''version'' pages since I don't believe that Lewis was thinking of any version of the songs in particular. But if there are examples of links that are flat out ''incorrect'', feel free to let me know which those are and I'll change them, or change them during validation. 
:::# Point 2 about those specific formatting templates are your decision though I disagree with them personally (since they severely downgrade editing speed, which I consider a ''severely'' important factor), but I'll put those templates back to the pages you already proofread since they were your decisions and it is fair to feel bad that they were removed. But if you want them placed on pages that I proofread, I'll leave that up to you, I'm not willing to do this myself, since again I disagree with their implementation, for reasons I may one day write an essay about, as I've done with another issue. (Please don't make me have to write it today, let's just drop it...)
:::# If I missed hyphenations, just validate them away or I'll catch them later. Typos are normal proofreader mistakes.
:::# Update: Scratch what I said in the last revision about this point. I see you used {{tl|left margin}}, a template I've never heard of, and that actually looks like a great and working solution. I'll be applying this change across the project now.
:::# You say etc. etc. so maybe there's more to say. Please remember, if it wasn't already clear before, that the work is fully proofread now (as stated in the edit summaries of all the semiautomated changes) and no longer require the review necessary for just the ''proofread'' status, so if there are mistakes you can catch them in validation as well or they can be corrected in the future. Proofreading is not equivalent to absolute perfection, and all proofreaders make minor typos, just part of life. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:::: Okay, so I meticulously reviewed those pages you proofread before and they're back to what they were. I think next time I run into this situation what I'll do is just import the changes from the Index into my workspace, so that the changes I make are minimal next time. Your feedback is making me realize that there's really no better way. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

== Pericles ==

When you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Pericles_(Shakespeare)&amp;curid=2679223&amp;diff=13991971&amp;oldid=13279958 repurpose existing pages], make sure to update the accompanying Wikidata item to reflect the change.  Right now, the Wikidata item is still for an unsourced copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

:I made some changes to the index page and added images to Commons, as part of which I picked up the oversight before seeing your message. I added OCLC number to index page but don't know where to put this in Wikidata. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:: There is an OCLC control number (bibliographic) identifier for OCLC links.  More importantly, I've added a link to the scan housed at Commons, and added the WD ID to the file on Commons, so that the two items are interconnected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:::OK, thanks. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Elizabeth Fry (Pitman 1884)/Adverts]] ==

Hello chrisguise, wondering if ''Freeman's Jonrnal'' in the article is a spelling mistake. Thank you so much for your time. [[User:Lotje|Lotje ツ]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 06:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. Its a printing error ('u' and 'n' being generally reversible as moveable type), rather than a typo on the part of a transcriber, hence the marking with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{SIC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks Chrisguise. :-) [[User:Lotje|Lotje ツ]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 12:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Proofing EB1911 ==

Hi, Chrisguise, you are one of the few editors who have worked on EB1911 in the past that are still active. I was wondering if you'd consider doing more proofing work on EB1911.

I'm working through the EB1911 volumes and I'm currently working through vol. 20. I've found a useful technique to aid proofing by using [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ Earwig's '''Copyvio Detector'''] and the pages at theodora.com/encyclopedia. As an example, the link below compares a random page in EB1911 vol.&amp;nbsp;21 against the [https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/p2/pliocene.html &quot;Pliocene&quot; article at theodora.com/encyclopedia] :&lt;br&gt; 

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&amp;project=wikisource&amp;title=Page%3AEB1911+-+Volume+21.djvu%2F880&amp;oldid=&amp;use_engine=0&amp;use_links=0&amp;turnitin=0&amp;action=compare&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheodora.com%2Fencyclopedia%2Fp2%2Fpliocene.html

It picks up several typo errors in the EB1911 page. Further proofing is still needed, of course, but it's a great help to use the generally very good quality text at theodora.com/encyclopedia (although the numbers often have errors).

Any questions? Let me know. Hope you can do some further proofing in EB1911 with the above technique to help, maybe starting from volume 21? regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/The North Sea]] ==

Hello. You have asked the page to be speedied with the rationale &quot;Just created, with incorrect title, no links&quot;. Unfortunately, a largely used redirect is still linked to the page. Can you fix it, please? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

:Apologies - now sorted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
::No problem, thanks. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== Versions pages ==

It looks like your process for adding the version header is inserting a spurious pipe, making the pages show up in [[:Category:Headers with numerical arguments]]. Not a big deal, but I wanted to give you a heads-up. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, I thought I'd fixed that. I'll look at it again. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Rondeau (West)]] ==

Why did you revert me on this without explanation? There is a source on the talk page, so No Source is not an appropriate template.--05:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC) [[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. I tend to take a stronger line on works without a scan than others do here (hence adding of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{no source}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;). However, technically the reference information provided puts the page within the letter of the law (as stated in the template anyway), so I've undone my edit. To strengthen the case, as it were, I have amended the information provided to link to a copy of the bibliography on IA. I've also corrected the publication date quoted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

== Ae Fond Kiss (speedy) ==

Hi, with the length of time that unsourced version has been hosted here, I suggest it would be better to convert it to a (soft) redirect as it is likely to have external links into it. I'd do it, but I should be in bed. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

:OK, thanks. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu]] and [[Index:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu]] ==

I think that something went wrong at some point and there are several blank pages not linked from the index - from [[Page:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu/239]] to [[Page:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu/244]] - can they be put for speedy delete ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi there. All of the pages you mention can be deleted. They are the result of corrections made to the scan files. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 16:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::OK - noted. Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Also [[Page:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu/705]] and [[Page:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu/706]] --

== The works of Anna Laetitia Barbauld volume 1.djvu ==

Hi thanks for the validation. but i see you are changing the left justified to centered poetry. [[Page:The works of Anna Laetitia Barbauld volume 1.djvu/200]]. not sure it is worth the trouble. --[[User:Slowking4|Slowking4]] ‽ &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia&quot;&gt;[[User_talk:Slowking4|''digitaleffie's ghost'']]&lt;/span&gt; 22:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello. I don't know what device you use when editing, but on a 17&quot; laptop, centred titles and left block main body looks ridiculous. Hence, I've been changing it as I've been transcluding/validating. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sonnet ('Degenerate Douglas! oh, the unworthy Lord!']] ==

Hello again. I see that you created this (without a closing ) at the end) then [[Sonnet ('Degenerate Douglas! oh, the unworthy Lord!')]]. I assume that the former can be deleted. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, I forgot to mark it with 'sdelete', which I've now done. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== asc vs. sc ==

Hi @[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]],

More a curiosity than anything, but why convert asc to sc with the post-drop-initial letters in [[Index:All Quiet on the Western Front.pdf]]? Do they not appear the same? Or is this related to something else (e.g. e-readers, or copy-pasting text)? I would have perhaps naively thought both asc and sc treat lower case symbols in the same fashion. Again, just curious, and thanks for helping with the transclusion, among all your other work on Wikisource.

Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. As you say, the two things produce the same result. I think in some cases &lt;nowiki&gt;{{asc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; was applied to an upper case letter rather than a lower case one.{{pbr}} I suppose I have made the changes because, based on the help pages of various templates, I've formed the impression that the preferred thing to do is to transcribe the text as if it were unadorned English and then apply formatting. So, for example, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{initial}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces:{{pbr}}
:{{initial|W|hereas}} from &lt;nowiki&gt;{{initial|W|hereas}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:Or in older texts, where you might get: {{pbr}}
:{{di|W}}Heras, it is better to use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}{{uc|h}}eras&lt;/nowiki&gt; rather than &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}Heras&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:I can't say that I'm very consistent with this. For a long time I took the view that if whoever produced the book used capitals, that's what they intended and so I'll just type what I see. After all, it's not as if the software can't distinguish 'A' from 'a', so it doesn't need to be told it's &lt;nowiki&gt;{{uc|a}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. However, if it's the case that someone wants just the basic text, shorn of all adornment, applying, for example, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|I}}{{sc|t}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would reduce back to 'It', whereas &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|I}}{{asc|T}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would yield 'IT'. Or &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}Heras&lt;/nowiki&gt;, would give 'WHereas' (which would look decidedly odd) rather than 'Whereas' from &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}{{uc|h}}ereas&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:I don't do this level of formatting for things like title pages, chapter headings or text IN CAPITALS FOR EMPHASIS, etc. If the text is in capitals, it's in capitals (e.g. CHAPTER not &lt;nowiki&gt;{{uc|Chapter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; or &lt;nowiki&gt;C{{uc|hapter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:I have seen comments that suggest that the 'preferred' way is better for conversion to e-book or e-reader formats. I have a notion that I once saw someone give another reason why the preferred option is better, but I can't remember the details. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::It might be worth creating an essay with examples about this issue.  I think it would help a lot of new editors. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:I noticed that you changed from straight quotes to curly ones on some pages I proofread. Is that the style to be adopted? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]],
::Thanks for the explanation. I agree that unadorned English with formatting certainly looks better in your WHereas example, and so I can see why making the input to either sc or asc lower case for all chapter headings makes sense. I also had a &quot;notion&quot; that I had once read a reason why the preferred way is better, but also could not remember details.
::As for the quotation marks, I did start proofreading with curly quotes, so I have been adjusting a few of your pages. I realise this is unlike me, as I usually consider straight quotes sufficient, but given that it is a slightly higher profile work, that the OCR gave at least half-curly quotes by default and finally that TE(æ)A,ea. uploaded the text (who is a curly quote fan), I figured I would use curly quotes for a change. I plan to read through and validate the last two chapters (I had never read All Quiet on the Western Front until now), so I will adjust any stragglers.
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 22:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

== Orphan categories ==

Hi, these categories you created are lost in the tree as they don't have parents. Can you please review them and determine the best spot?
* [[:Category:Ernest Howard Shepard]]
* [[:Category:The House at Pooh Corner (1961)]]
Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:I've had a go. Neither solution seems ideal, but the one for Shepard is probably the better of the two. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Requiem&amp;diff=14855852&amp;oldid=14854478 Ummm....] Where in ''Caroling Dusk'' is there a poem called &quot;Requiem&quot; by Countee Cullen? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:Fair point - obviously looked at editor rather than contributor. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

== Virgil's Pastorals, Georgics and Aeneis - Dryden (1709) ==

Thanks for working on this.  It has long been needed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf]] ==

When you amended the pagelist, that left [[Page:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf/129]] and
[[Page:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf/130]] as unlinked - I assume that these can go for speedy delete. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I fixed the scan file, which had two duplicate pages, which would have stranded these two pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:33, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

== Scottish chapbooks ==

I noticed that you have been working on some Scottish chapbooks. I wondered if you had views on either [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Three_famous_new_songs_(2).pdf]] or [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Two_songs_(3).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(4).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(5).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(6).pdf]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I fell into doing work on the Scottish chapbooks when one popped up as a 'random transcription' some years ago. Many of those I come across are within easy striking distance of completion, although the quality of the transcription/formatting work varies a lot.{{pbr}}According to the project page, the National Library of Scotland chapbook collection was uploaded, in part, as a means to improve the OCR of their library of scans, so presumably on completion the text then gets exported back to them. If this remains the case, then deleting these variants doesn't fit with the original project aim. However, I don't know if the project is still 'active' from their point of view.{{pbr}}The NLS project page mentions that their collection has in excess of 3,000 items (with the implication that they uploaded them all(?)). However, I've never come across any progress stats for the project, so have no view of how far there is to go. I've not kept a personal record but I've pushed many to 'Done' and have left more with only the title page remaining to validate (having moved it to 'proofread' from 'problematic' by adding (along with @[[User:Sp1nd01|Sp1nd01]]) the image that is generally wanting). I've also created/updated a lot of versions pages, and tried to better corral the images on Commons. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:39, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
:I thought I saw a comment somewhere else about the naming of chapbooks. I don't bother requesting the renaming of indexes (since my experience of getting stuff moved around is incredibly variable, ranging from it being done in a few minutes to having to wait months) but for the transclusion I have landed on a naming convention of ''Title of work (year, city)'', which generally provides enough discrimination. My route to this has been meandering so, if you were to look, you would find other ways I've done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

== Shakespeare anchors ==

For adding anchors [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Henry_IV_Part_1_(1917)_Yale.djvu/33&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14990768 like this], would it not make more sense to label the anchor using features of the ''target'' text, rather than the ''outside'' source?  For example, using the anchor label &quot;HenIV1Iiii190&quot;, so that the same anchor can be meaningfully used by multiple works? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Removing years from disambiguation pages ==

For example [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Bill&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15023326 here]—why? If there was a different year to use (such as if the short story appeared earlier than 1924, and you have evidence of that), why not use a different year? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Charles Dickens (1898) ==

I have no particular interest one way or the other, but if you do believe [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index%3ACharles_Dickens_%28a_Critical_Study%29_by_George_Gissing%2C_1898.djvu&amp;diff=15106092&amp;oldid=15085673 the base page] should be changed, please make sure it is changed everywhere. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Removing blank pages from transclusion ==

Regarding your recent action regarding [[The Captive Ladie]] and its subpages, is this the official policy agreed upon by the community? This offers no advantage that I can see, but diminishes the transclusion percentage of scans for the site. Compare with other sites: [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/fr/alltime French] - 99.96%, [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/bn/alltime Bengali] - 100.01%, [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/en/alltime English] - 67.67%. [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 14:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. I've no idea whether there is a policy on it, but the vast majority of transcriptions I see, and all the ones I've done do not transclude blank pages. Transcluding nothing seems a rather pointless activity, and I don't know why anyone would consider including blank pages in the percentages you quote. I believe that the low percentage on English Wikisource is due to the very large number of works on here that do not have scan backing (e.g. texts ripped from Gutenberg or poetry websites). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: +1 to Chrisguise; yes, it is standard practice; and {{tl|PR_PERCENT}} anyhow counts {{tl|PR_TEXTS}}/{{tl|ALL_TEXTS}}, both counting mainspace pages (excluding a few things like dab and so on), not transcluding a Page: namespace page changes nothing to that number.
: Looking at the charts, our problem is probably that we were too slow to adapt to PRP. Most of our additions continued to be non-transcluded stuff until roughly 2011, and we haven't done a major drive to remove them since; whereas FRWS started actively reducing the count of them in about 2009.
: Also, as we're larger, we've got more stuff to clean up (by the time people started using PRP more, we had 201k of them; whereas FRWS had 41k of them.
: Then we also have the issue of various bot-assisted dumps that were (according to me) a terrible idea. Thinking notably of [[User:BenchBot]] that mass-created about 50k court cases (which still constitute '''more than half''' of our transclusionless pages) from other websites.
: And in general, we've had quite a lot of copypaste dumping of recent texts just because they're PD and low-hanging fruit (is already available as text on the web) that leaves me dubitative. What's the purpose of putting random webpages into a library? archive.org does that job better. Meanwhile, I think that there's no consensus to delete them, and actually proofreading all of them would be a surhuman effort, so... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Alchemist (Jonson)/Glossary]] ==

I moved this page to match the other pages which were moved recently - I hope that was right. (I see that it was moved a few years ago then moved back. I assume that circumstances have changed.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== NLS Chapbooks ==

Hi, I want to acknowledge the work that you've been quietly doing on these for the past couple of years. The NLS had the (mad) idea that they would get all of them scanned, proofread and validated during the COVID lockdowns in 2020. It was supposed to be a useful task that their staff could do remotely. With a variable quality of scan quality, proofreading, naming conventions, and many duplicates, the work that you have been doing to move some of them through to validated and transcluded is nothing short of superb. It's only in the past few days while trying to sort out the mess from March's Lua error in the Indexes that I realised the extent of what you've been doing. Thank you, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, it's always nice to be acknowledged. The efforts of @[[User:Sp1nd01|Sp1nd01]] on the images also need to be recognised.{{pbr}}I originally chanced upon the NLS chapbooks through the 'random transcription' link on the main page. At the time, they seemed to offer the possibility of 'quick wins' for getting works to completion (fully validated and transcluded). Unfortunately, as you point out, the variable quality of the scans (or, more often, printing), proofreading, naming conventions, etc. (not forgetting lack of formatting) means that the wins haven't always been as quick as one might have liked. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 6/The Sad Shepherd]] ==

The contents list an Act III, Scene iii which is a red link.  Was something not linked to, or is the Contents table in error? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== Micrographia ==

Do you have access to the OCR tool? You seem to be creating lots of blank pages where there should be text. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:52, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

: Yes. I messed up because the first file had a page missing. I found another version that's complete but it has blank pages adjacent the figures so all the pages don't align. The pages without text are the ones that were originally marked as missing an image and problematic. I'll go back and fix them once I've got the index page sorted out.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]])

:: I just found this book and wanted to congratulate you on adding it - it's fascinating. 
''keeps clicking''
:::[[User:Peace.salam.shalom|Peace.salam.shalom]] ([[User talk:Peace.salam.shalom|talk]]) 03:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

::::Thanks. It was a bit of a slog because of the poor OCR, variation in spelling and lots of italics, but I think it was worth the effort. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

== Link to ''Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography'' ==

Hello. After receiving notice of a new link to ''Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography'', I found that it doesn't function perfectly yet. I published the 'Plotinius' article and most else under '[[Author:James Frederick Ferrier|James Frederick Ferrier]]' where you can find this &amp; basically all his authorship with working links. So why am I approaching you?
* I have been preparing MUCH more of the text of ''IDUB'' with hope of publishing eventually. 
* Even when I published all the 'Ferrier' stuff I still did not acquire a working understanding of how to remedy links such as yours to function properly.
* I hope that, if you have an interest in such remedy, I can find an ally, a resource in my quest to prepare the way better so that links like yours will work properly.
* It seems to me that there needs to be created a way to distinguish and direct ''IDUB'' links explicitly to either Volume 1, 2, or 3 so that they arrive properly. 
* It may be that you have interest in some of the other 24000+ ''IDUB'' titles and that you would find my queries not too burdensome, etc. Perhaps someday I could even be an aid to you.
* Otherwise, please pardon my intrusion. [[User:Klarm768|Klarm768]] ([[User talk:Klarm768|talk]]) 10:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
** Hi there. I'm sorry but I can't help solve your problem directly. I have no coding experience and do not even know how to access the code behind 'templates'. I only used your IDUB link template as a result of guessing that it might be there, something that's occasionally worked before with other compendia. My suggestion, if you haven't already considered doing so, would be to copy the structure used for other multi-volume encylopedias (e.g.[[Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition]]), 23 vols. This should enable you to set up the hierarchy of pages and produce equivalent templates, since the 'EB9 article link' (and the EB1911 equivalent) achieve what you are trying to (i.e. link automatically to the correct volume). Good luck in your efforts. Regards, Chris [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:50, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
*** I received notification of a link made from [[Author:Algernon Charles Swinburne]] regarding Contributions to Imperial Dictionary of Universal Biography. '''THANK YOU''' for solving a mystery. The text signature &quot;A. C. S.&quot; occurs only in this single instance in Volume 1. The signature, &quot;A. C. S.&quot;  does not appear in any list of contributors. I had not been able to assign an Author-identity with confidence. My best guess had been Algernon Charles Swinburne. Can you confirm from what source you learned of Swinburne's contribution to IDUB? [[User:Klarm768|Klarm768]] ([[User talk:Klarm768|talk]]) 09:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
****Hi there. I've been doing some transcriptions of Swinburne's work and modifying his 'author page'. While doing so I found a reference to the IDUB article on page 5 of  ''The Bibliography of Swinburne: A bibliographical list arranged in chronological order of the published writings in verse and prose of Algernon Charles Swinburne (1857-1887)'' (1887), by George Redway. It is also mentioned several times in Volume 2 of the much more comprehensive two-volume bibliography by Thomas J. Wise (1920). The date given for the work is 1857 (the version of IDUB being transcribed is 1876). Both bibliographies are on 'Internet Archive'. Swinburne also wrote an article on Congreve for the 9th edition of Encyclopedia Britannica; both bibliographies are at pains to point out that the two articles are completely different. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:00, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

== Removing line-breaks in EB1911 ==

Hi Chrisguise, thanks for edits in EB1911 ''e.g.'' [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 13.djvu/58]] but removing line-breaks make proofing harder. I've been converting from Gutenberg which maintains the line-breaks and having them removed makes comparison more difficult. Are you able to keep the line-breaks in future edits? Thanks [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 19:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

: Hello, as part of proofing any page, the first thing I do is run the 'clean up OCR' tool, which takes the line breaks out automatically. Could you explain a bit more about what you are doing? Are you comparing with Gutenberg to move the page on from proof-read to validated or are you checking my proof-reading? In my experience the transcriptions on Gutenberg are not without errors - as surely are my own efforts - even though I understand that they use multiple keying. Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

:: Hi again, I forgot to check back earlier on this discussion. By leaving the line-breaks in-place it make it easier to compare to text from Gutenberg. I usually paste in converted text from Gutenberg and then use the &quot;Show changes&quot; button to do a comparison. That way, occasional errors from Gutenberg can be found and corrected (e.g. Gutenberg sometimes has typos and italics missing). Removing line-breaks makes makes manual proofing more difficult (as the lines don't match up) and it's very difficult to see what changes have been made when using &quot;Compare selected revisions&quot; in Revision history. Also, running your 'clean up OCR' tool has replaced agreed EB1911 standards for curly quotes and apostrophes (“” ’) with straight double and single quotes (&quot; '). An example is your recent edits to [Page:EB1911 - Volume 07.djvu/791]. You also removed spacing in the Page Header which centers the text. Regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

:::Hello, Following on from your initial communication on this topic, I have tried to confine myself to either only editing pages already at 'proof-read' status, wherein I assumed it would be OK to remove all the page breaks before changing the status to 'validated', or if I edit 'not proof read' pages I actually read them, rather than compare them to something else that might not be correct. Having done so, I figured removing the page breaks wouldn't matter. 

:::I also change the sometimes various forms used in the page header (or add them if missing) with the EB1911 page header template. If things don't line up then presumably the template needs to be amended.

:::Regarding the curly quotes, I'd been following the generic guidance in the Help, which says to use straight quotes. I don't know if you've come across it but there is a useful tool to change all straight quotes to curly ones. Details are associated with the 'Once a Week' transcription project (which also insists on using the curly quotes). It seems to work pretty well. The style guide is at Wikisource:Wikiproject Once a Week and the person who maintains it sent me the details (see User_talk:Chrisguise#curly_quotes_in_%22once_a_week%22_&amp;_other_matters.). Regard, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

::::Curly quotes are the EB1911 standard, see [[Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual#Quoted_text|EB1911 Style Manual]]. Curly apostrophes ’ should also be used in EB1911 to distinguish them from the reversed comma ʽ (sometimes called rough breathing diacritic) in Arabic words in EB1911. Myself and other EB1911 editors prefer leaving the line-breaks in-place (that’s how they were originally scanned) because it makes manually proofing faster and it’s easier to see what changes have been made in an edit (as stated before). Regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 23:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

:I found a problem with the 'clean up OCR' tool you've been using, it converts curly quotes if they are literal “ ”  to straight &quot; &quot; but not if html code e.g. (&amp; ldquo;)&lt;!-- hairspace added after &quot;&amp;&quot; so html code displays--&gt; is been used. This produces inconsistent results where the page has some curly and some straight quotes. e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_16.djvu/325&amp;oldid=10393386]. Please do not use the 'clean up OCR' tool on EB1911 pages. If you are going to mark an EB1911 page as Validated, please read the EB1911 Style manual first (particularly &quot;Quoted text&quot; &amp; &quot;Ranges&quot; sections). As well as converting the quotes back to curly ones, I used ndash (–) for year ranges (and removed a spurious quote mark after 'on the'). [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 17:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

::Also, please do not add excessive internal links in articles like you have done here [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 01.djvu/493]]. Please read the [[Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual#Internal Wikisource links|EB1911 Style Manual § Internal Wikisource links]] (and see the Style Manual Discussion) and remove the excess links from the above page (and any others you have done) thanks. [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 22:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

== Aeschylus ==

The primary place to list editions of the Greek plays is the versions page for each play. I've retained a list of transations (for now) on the Author page, but '''only''' for the translations that we actually have. But eventually, that too may go, since there seems to be a trend now towards not listing the editions on the Authors pages at all.

Note, Medwin's ''Prometheus Bound'' was already listed, and I just added the ''Agamemnon''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 05:37, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

== Index pages ==

Best practice for Index pages: When the value is not a code such as &quot;roman&quot;, or a numeric value for a page number, but instead is non-numeric text to be displayed in place of the usual number, then the value ought to be enclosed in quotes. Some character values will still work if the quotes are omitted, but best practice is to use the quotes for any text, including &quot;Adv&quot;, &quot;-&quot;, or such.

The size of dash for blank pages, images, and the like is purely an aesthetic choice on the part of the initial proofreader. Some editors prefer &quot;-&quot; for blank pages as it minimizes the space taken up in display on the Index.  Other editors will use the emdash to keep display size of all pages to roughly the same width, which can help with getting page numbers to line up in neat columns. But there's no reason to replace emdashes with hyphens if the initial editor made the choice to use emdashes. The value is there only on the index page is that page is not transcluded, and serves no real function except in the margin as a page number for transcluded pages (and which can then be linked to with a hashtag). There can be a reason to go the other way: to expand hyphens into emdashes, if there is content on that page, because a hyphen is small and harder to click on; but otherwise, it's purely up to the initial proofreader. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:34, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

== Memoirs ==

If you upload Volume II or III, let me know and I’ll stop by to proofread a bit. [[User:Lemuritus|Lemuritus]] ([[User talk:Lemuritus|talk]]) 02:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
:I am currently working (intermittently) on Volume 2, which is most easily accessed from the index page of Volume 1.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:00, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Footnotes - The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5 ==

{{tlx|helpme}} I have transcribed some pages of the above, mostly the prefaces to the longer poems. The prefaces are peppered with lengthy footnotes, which are generally manageable as I am familiar with the standard footnote method, for which I use &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref&gt; &lt;/ref&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, the footnote continued on one of more of the following pages &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;ref name=xx&gt;, &lt;ref follow=xx&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;, and a footnote within a footnote where the nested footnote is on the same page, for which I use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{#tag:ref|TOP LEVEL REFERENCE&lt;ref group=&quot;I&quot;&gt;NESTED REFERENCE.&lt;/ref&gt; TOP LEVEL REFERENCE|group=&quot;O&quot;}}{{smallrefs|group=&quot;O&quot;}}{{smallrefs|group=&quot;I&quot;}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. I may even have done examples (in another book) where the nested footnote is all on one page but the main footnote carries on over more than one. However, I am stuck at present because in the preface to ''Werner'' on pages [[Page:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5.djvu/374|338]] and [[Page:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 5.djvu/375|339]] there is a footnote containing a footnote where both the footnote and the nested footnote continue onto the following page. How do I deal with this and still maintain footnote integrity during transclusion? Regards,[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:41, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
:I think you'll probably have better luck asking complicated questions like this at [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]]. This kind of stuff gives most people a headache trying to unravel, and there are a limited number of contributors patrolling the {{tlx|helpme}} requests.{{parabr}}However, that being said, I've had a stab at this and you can see the results [[Special:PermanentLink/9821890|in my sandbox]]. Did that do roughly what you were trying to accomplish?{{parabr}}I'm not familiar with this work or its notes conventions, so I don't know the significance of the two footnote groups, but you may also wish to consider simplifying when faced with overly complicated schemes: we're already changing things significantly when we move from footnotes in a paged medium to endnotes in a non-paged medium, as well as changing the sigils used as footnote markers, so complicated footnote schemes that are primarily ''formatting'' rather than significant ''meaning'' may be better to not try to replicate. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:25, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll give it a go. I've also posted the query on [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help]] in case there's an alternative.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Thank you for [[Index:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf|Rootabaga Pigeons]] ==

Thank you for [[Index:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf|Rootabaga Pigeons]]. I've done (validated) just about everything, but one last page stumps me. The original doesn't have a closing double quote in one place, and your text had added one, but in a very strange place. I [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Rootabaga_Pigeons_by_Carl_Sandburg.pdf/160&amp;action=history moved it] to a more logical placement, but again, there just isn't a closing double quote in the source. So what to do? [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 23:41, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for the appreciation. The text was straightforward but it takes a bit of time to sort the illustrations.&lt;br/&gt;I agree with your comment that the added quote was in the wrong place. I suggest there are two options: either transcribe what is actually printed or mark it as an error (which I think it is) using the SIC template (which I've done). Feel free to disagree when you validate. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

== Letter spacing for emphasis ==

Hi!

In reference to [[Special:Diff/9904025|this edit]], the {{tl|sp}} template was used to duplicate the letter spacing in the original used for emphasis. As an alternative to italics, spacing was sometimes increased for emphasis (perhaps because it didn't require using italic type &lt;s&gt;matrices&lt;/s&gt; sorts, you just spaced out the normal ones). See [[w:Emphasis_(typography)#Letter-spacing]]. In my opinion, this is as much a part of the work as italics would have been. Cheers, [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/small&gt;   20:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, I accept your point in general but I would make two specific ones in return. The document was originally transcluded as one complete piece. Scrolling through it in that form highlighted variations in the way pages had been transcribed (e.g. poetry quotations, footnotes, etc.), so I went through page by page to try and straighten things out. One area of inconsistency related to the type of spacing you refer to, so I needed to decide one way or another whether to format them all, and I decided against. The main reason for doing this was that in most instances, if not all, it didn't seem to me to be for the purposes of emphasis, more as if text had been removed and the rest of the line spread out to make it the appropriate width. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:: As the person who put in more effort than I did, I defer to your choice. I would still disagree that the spacing was inserted like that for any reason of than emphasis. To me, it seems it appears only where emphasis would fit, not randomly throughout the text. I just though I'd mention it in case you hadn't realised letter-spacing was a typographical method used for {{sp|emphasis}}, as well as purely stylistic (e.g. as used on title pages). [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;small&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/small&gt;   10:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Texts should not be listed as &quot;new texts&quot; until they are complete. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:Apologies, I got a bit ahead of myself. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)Chris

::Plus per the instructions on that page, please use a document summary of what is happening with the edit. That summary is pushed out in a few places as information. That page is our open gateway to the main page so documentation through the edit summary is considered important. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:22, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Help with images? ==

Hi, I noticed [[Special:Diff/9905773|this]]. Would you like me to get the hi-res images that are missing and place them on the pages? I know they're just &quot;filler images,&quot; but it seems they're standing in the way of getting this work listed under new texts...happy to help if you're not already on it, just let me know. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 21:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
:Pete, Thanks for the offer. I got a bit ahead of myself putting 'Paradise Regain'd' on the new works list but have now done the images (mostly fleurons). However, I've never mastered the technique for making images properly black-and-white. If you can, then I'd appreciate it if you could replace the images. I used the fleuron from the 'Persons' page at the beginning of 'Samson Agonistes' (which is in the same volume) on account of it being the sharpest and least curved version in the book. I left the covers as raw images. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:12, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:: Hmm, I'm a little puzzled. The original scans are not great, I made a greyscale version but I'm not happy with it. How did you get the somewhat higher-resolution versions you uploaded? Was it from the book view on Internet Archive, perhaps? I'm used to using their JP2 files, which are usually the higest-resolution versions they offer; but in this case, it's a slightly smaller resolution than the one you uploaded. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 20:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Apologies, Pete, I never got back to you. The only places I get images for books are either the file on Wikisource (via right click and 'save image as'), Internet Archive (ditto) or Hathi Trust (using either a PDF download of the page or the right click and 'save image as' option. I hadn't realised that higher res images are among the file options on IA.
:::To manipulate the files I use three different bits of software: 'Image analyser' to do rotation and cropping, plus image manipulation depending on circumstances; 'Irfanview', because it has some useful tools such as a 'find and replace' option - good for getting rid of background colours; and 'Paint3D' for pixel level editing. I eventually managed to get the recommended 'ImageMagic' software to work but Image Analyser has the same functionality with a passable user interface. Command line - who'd have thought it - I don't do enough image manipulation to warrant batch processing, where it might be useful but ...... really?
:::Having said all that I still can't get to proper black and white in most cases. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== curly quotes in &quot;once a week&quot; &amp;  other matters ==

Hi --

Currently the entirety of ''Once a Week'' (4 volumes completed, so far) uses curly (smart) quotes, so please stick with that! 

Chapter headings use text size &quot;fine&quot;.

Further remark: I prefer to use &amp;lt;br /&gt; rather than &amp;lt;poem&gt; when embedding poems in paragraphs because &amp;lt;poem&gt; changes paragraph margins. Not such a big deal, though. 

Thanks for working on it, though! I’m particularly glad you’re doing ''Lord Oakburn’s Daughters'' because someone just published an academic study of it last year &amp; I was thinking, maybe people who read that will want a digital version of the text, which there isn’t elsewhere. (Pretty nauseating stuff though isn’t it, especially the part with &quot;Pompey&quot;)

In case you didn’t notice it, the style guide is at [[Wikisource:Wikiproject Once a Week]] (I’ve tried to make it clear, but would appreciate you telling me parts that need further explanation) [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 18:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:P.S. In order to make the two parts of the poem line up with each other when inserting an image in the middle, as with [[Page:Once a Week Jun to Dec 1864.pdf/84|The Bride of an Hour]], it’s necessary to specify a width (the same one for each) for the &quot;block center&quot;. For some reason the use of the colon (:) for indents overrides the width. For that reason I’ve gone back to using &quot;gap&quot; though it has its drawbacks … [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:: P.P.S. Currently, the way to put a typographic (but not actual) 0.15em space between two adjoining quotes is like so: &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|“}}‘&lt;/nowiki&gt; (or, of course, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|“}}’&lt;/nowiki&gt; or &lt;nowiki&gt;{{sp|’}}”&lt;/nowiki&gt;). There is a useful script for converting quotes to curly at [[User:Samwilson/CurlyQuotes.js]] [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 19:27, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
:::: ''Discussion about quote templates moved to [[User talk:Xover]]'' [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 06:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC) 
:::Hello, sorry for causing disruption - I should have read the style guide. I came to this transcription through doing an update to an author page and testing some of the links - I tend to flit from one thing to another! My first point of call when starting a new page, especially if the OCR isn't great, is to run the 'Clean up OCR' tool; one of the things this does is to convert double and single quotes to straight ones.&lt;br/&gt;I'll take a look at your guide.&lt;br/&gt;I've spent a bit of time since your messages trying to work out how to install the CurlyQuotes.js tool. I've copied the whole of the code into my  'global.js' page but nothing has happened. Clearly I'm doing something wrong - can you help me, please?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:37, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

:::: Try &lt;code&gt;mw.loader.load('//en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Samwilson/CurlyQuotes.js&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/javascript');&lt;/code&gt; &lt;br&gt;and then refresh your browser --[[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 21:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

::::: Thanks for the reply. I have added the suggested code but nothing appears to have happened, despite refreshing and restarting my browser. I was expecting something to appear on the LHS of the screen (under the Wikisource logo) in the same way as the 'Typopgraphy' and 'Page' toolsets that I added to my 'global.js' page do. Does the 'CurlyQuotes' tool reside somewhere else (e.g. in one of the other menus) - I checked a few places but without success.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:47, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

:::::: It is in the set of tools above the editing box, the quotes right next to &quot;bold&quot; and &quot;italic&quot;! (Took me a while to find it too when I installed it!) [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 06:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

::::::: Got it. Thanks, I shall give it a whirl.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

::::::::I have been using the 'CurlyQuotes' tool, and while it isn't infallible, it's a big help, since I can continue to use the 'Clean up OCR' tool and then re-apply the 'curly quotes'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

(''unindented'') I also looked over the guidance you produced, which I have been trying to follow. It's the most thorough and comprehensive that I've come across. My only observation is that there seem to be a number of instances where line spacing is introduced that is wider than that in the text. Regards, Chris [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

: By &quot;line spacing wider than in the text,&quot; do you mean differing from the way it is printed in the old magazine? That magazine was {{sc|cramped}}, filling its pages almost edge-to-edge with small type, and with only a rule as separation between items. Paper was a major part of periodical expenses in those days—wood-pulp paper wasn’t yet in use. There is absolutely no requirement that the digital version of the texts has to be bound by the same restraints. To paraphrase something Billinghurst said, Wikisource is digitizing the words of the authors, not the typesetters’ peculiarities.

: Most of the stylistic choices in the style guide were made by me, with some input from Encylopetey; I was revising a basis that was created some years ago by I’m not sure who, Mudbringer for one. I tried to imitate the magazine as much as possible while complying with standard Wikisource formatting and loosening up the tight spacing, and a few other changes to make things look better on the web: for instance, I inset margins for block-quotes whereas the original didn’t, only distinguishing them by smaller type. 

: Do you have any specific suggestions for improvements? It would probably be possible to do global changes with a bot. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 17:37, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Image standards added to style guide ===

I’ve added to the style guide the way that images are being handled -- the three cases I listed cover 95% of the images in the magazine. Anything else, well, [[Page:ONCE A WEEK JUL TO DEC 1860.pdf/335|here]] is an example of an image used as a drop-initial and [[Page:ONCE A WEEK JUL TO DEC 1860.pdf/114|here]] is an irregular-shaped image. For even more complicated cases, if you can’t figure out a way, ask me because something like it may have been done already. [[User:Levana Taylor|Levana Taylor]] ([[User talk:Levana Taylor|talk]]) 01:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Prefatory note of Fumifugium is not public domain ==

Hi. That is a very interesting publication you have added! However, it seems that the prefatory note is not public domain, as it was written in 1976. I suggest to replace it with [https://archive.org/details/fumifugiumorinc00evelgoog/page/n4/mode/2up the original 1772 publication]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 19:53, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, Thank you for drawing this to my attention. However, as I have no wish to do this text again (too many italicisations, unusual spellings and unusual punctuation, some or all of which will have changed in a different edition), I took the liberty of reading up on the University of Exeter's copyright position, as they are the declared copyright holder. I believe that it is OK to duplicate the introduction based on the information at https://www.exeter.ac.uk/research/openresearch/oa/copyright/ I presume that there will be an appropriate copyright template that could be applied? Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 14:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

::Ah, that is really interesting! I must say I like the university’s attitude. I have asked whether it is sufficient for us at [[Wikisource:Copyright discussions#Fumifugium: or, the Inconveniencie of the Aer and Smoake of London/Note]]. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 14:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

As a general note, works should ALWAYS have a license tag on them before being listed as &quot;New&quot;, as a suitable license is one of the basic requirements of hosting a work here.  Several of your recent additions to the New Texts list had no license tag on them at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

== The Works of Virgil (Dryden)/Georgics (Dryden) ==

Two things: (1) You don't need to put &quot;Dryden&quot; in there twice. (2) If you set this up the way you have, people will not be able to download a copy as an EPUB. You need to make use of {{tl|AuxTOC}}. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

:Hello. I've arranged the page naming to fit in with what is already established. On the author page for Virgil are three entries, one each for the Eclogues (or Pastorals), the Georgics, and the Aeneis. Each one then links to a sub-page which lists various translations. The Aeneis has a Dryden transcription (1697 edition) but this has no index page or images (hence needs migration), the Georgics page lists the Dryden, (I added it in June 2019 - not expecting to be doing the transcription a year later!) but there wasn't anything behind it, and the Dryden was not listed on the Eclogues page until I added it recently. 
:I have structured the contents to enable the relevant sections to be linked to the E, G and A pages. Likewise, I used the existing Aeneis (Dryden) page as a template, and used the same page referencing so that I could simply replace that content with &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages index= ...... from=X  to=Y  /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; references, rather than creating new pages. I have used this as the template for the Pastorals and am in the process of doing the same for the Georgics.
:I did the table of contents in the way I have because I've seen it done on other multi-volume works (and it looks nicer). However, I didn't know about the issue with converting to an ebook (how would I?). If you bear with me while I get everything set up, I'll convert it to the AuxTOC form.
:I pinched the contents listing from Early English Books online but it needs rationalising; theirs is from the first edition and some elements of that edition are not in the 3rd (e.g. the errata).[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:51, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== caution creating redirects where a wikidata item exists ==

There was a wikidata item on [[Ode Upon Liberty]] [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Ode_Upon_Liberty&amp;action=history history] so converting that page to a redirect is problematic—WD items need to be direct and specific.  It is not a subject matter that we have managed well as it has so many intricacies and variances. Anyway, recovered the old edition, and moved it its own page, and created a versions page to disambiguate the works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 03:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

== After moving pages ... ==

Hi. After moving pages, please check the WHAT LINKS HERE for the old location, and update the links there to the new location,  especially if you are going to overwrite the redirect. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 13:13, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

== Reminder about subpage titles ==

Hi, just a reminder that our policy here is to use Arabic numerals in Chapter names and not Roman. So, the first chapter of ''What Katy Did Next'' should be What Katy Did Next/Chapter 1 [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, I would normally do as you suggest but on this occasion I'm migrating an existing version of '[[What Katy Did Next]]', which is not attached to an Index page, and the chapters of that use roman numerals. Should I move the existing chapters (e.g.from 'I.' to 'Chapter 1') first or carry on as I am? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:28, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

::Ah, I hadn't realised that. Finish off, then let me know and I'll move them for you as I can do it with suppression of redirects. Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 20:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

:::OK - will do. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

{{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} This seems as good a place as any to ask about something that's perplexed me for a while. It seems to me on Wikisource there is a strong preference for suppressing redirects. But redirects can be incredibly useful, often in cases where we can't know what external or even offline links exist. In this case, [[What Katy Did Next/I.]] has existed for a dozen years. There's no way to know who may have linked directly to that chapter. It seems very useful to keep a redirect; and if there is a downside, I don't know what it is. Why would we want to suppress? Chris -- hope you don't mind me butting in on your talk page. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 15:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Peteforsyth}} There are three possibilities for these scenarios: a) leave a hard redirect; b) use a soft redirect; c) supress the redirect. The decision as to which option to use depends on the likelihood of incoming links. If it's a well-known alternate title, or &quot;what links here&quot; gives links from multiple other works, then the full redirect gets left. If it's a likely target on a work that's been here a while, then we'll use a soft direct, which will be deleted in a few months' time. If it's an unlikely target, or is wrong, or is recent, then we'll supress the redirect. In this particular case, I believe ''What Katy Did Next/I.'' to be an unlikely target for an external link, but I'm quite prepared to hear argument in the opposite direction. [Thanks Chris for hosting the discussion.] [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::Just to let you know that I've finished the migration. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

== Integrity of published work ==

I have moved [[London (Johnson)]] to be a subpage of the work in which it was published to maintain its edition content and the integrity of the published work.  In cases like this we would have created a redirect from the root level to the subpage, similar to what we do with poetry.  So if Johnson's work is here from another source, we would convert the redirect to a {{tl|versions}} page.

Also, for a published work, we only require the [[help:copyright tag|copyright tag]] at the root level of the work. It is considered to apply to the whole work. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:(ec) Oh, you split the work. In a case like this we have typically put them as subpages of the publication from whence they came. No different to our other curate compiled works. Again redirects are our friends here. EP hs addressed one of the reasons why below, also due to our maintaining our components on editions. Noting some of the guidance at [[d:Wikidata:WikiProject Books]].  Yes, it does get complex, and sooooo many edge cases. :-/  — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:20, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
::I would suggest moving them to be subpages, and happy to give a hand as required. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Are you doing the fix, or am I? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

== [[Trivia, or the Art of Walking the Streets of London to which is added Dr. Johnson's London]] ==

You do realize that anyone wishing to read this as a download will get the title pages, the contents page, and nothing else? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:18, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:Why? I was rebuked by someone for using a non-standard table of contents (for Dryden's Virgil translation) and was told to use a AuxTOC. I've done that here but apparently that's wrong. What should I be doing? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:: The contents are not displayed on the primary page. Only pages linked from the first page will be included in the download.  You've placed the contents on secondary pages, and the EPUB will therefore not pull them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

:: Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Trivia%2C_or_the_Art_of_Walking_the_Streets_of_London_to_which_is_added_Dr._Johnson%27s_London&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=10076977&amp;oldid=10072694 this change] has corrected the problem. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Index pages ==

The dash ( - ) is for marking pages that fall outside of the page numbering system: e.g. end papers or the backs of plates. It is not for marking &quot;this page has no content&quot;, that is what the page status of &quot;Without text&quot; is for. Pages that are part of the numbering system should be numbered. Failing to do so makes it harder for people to determine the page number of those pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

== Trying to understand this page hierarchy ==

Hi. Why would we transclude pages in this naming hierarchy?
{{special:prefixindex/The Reason of Church-governement Urg'd against Prelaty}}

Where is that sort of hierarchy used, and how predominantly? I would think that we would be better to align with what we have been using, and am here asking what I am missing. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 16:21, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:The publication is an essentially an extended pamphlet (Wikipedia calls it an 'essay'), the title page of which describes itself as being in two books. It is laid out as two 'books', and visually there is a transition from Book 1 to Book 2. However, the start of book 2 has no heading (I have called it 'Introduction' since it's the first part, but it could equally have been 'preface', or anything else). There is a conclusion (called 'Conclusion'), which is a conclusion for the whole thing but which is part of Book 2. Half way through, Milton goes off-topic, and then comes back to the subject matter at hand. I don't know what he had in mind but, given the way it is written and subdivided, I chose to treat it as essentially one long article but retained the book and chapter number information in each of the sections (per your list), rather than just starting at '1' and finishing at '22' (or however many there would be). I could have done it just as ''Book 1'' and ''Book 2'', but that would have generated two very long sections, which the Help section advises against. That's why I've done it the way I have. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

:What would you have done? And more to the point, what do you want me to do?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sybilline Leaves (Coleridge) ==

Hi. With this work, I would not have created a numbering system for them, I think that they can and should be published under their names.  In terms of search, the name is more effective in returning results in full search, or type ahead. 

We generally only use a numbered approach where it is how the work is defined, and it makes sense to present that way, eg. chapters in novels, especially as they are not named, and there is less value in the name. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

== Horace ==

Thank you so much for completing a set of scan-backed translations of Horace's works. The incompleteness of his works has been a significant hole in classical literature here for far too long here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
:Indeed. Let me second that! --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you both for taking the time to acknowledge the work I've done on [[The Satires, Epistles &amp; Art of Poetry of Horace]]. I uploaded it after looking for a version of [[Ars Poetica]] and I came across some comments about [[author:John Conington|John Conington]]. It's just a pity I didn't pick a volume with a complete set of the Satires, such as the [[author:Thomas Creech|Thomas Creech]] version of 1715. 
::Although I didn't upload it, I've been doing some work on [[The Odes and Carmen Saeculare|The Odes and Carmen Sæculare of Horace]], by the same translator. Any help woud be appreciated ..... [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

== Byron's Works ==

Good morning! ''Formatting should be consistent'' throughout the text for [[The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero)/Poetry/Volume 3]]. The poem tag has not been used throughout the rest of the work, but if you seek to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_Works_of_Lord_Byron_%28ed._Coleridge%2C_Prothero%29_-_Volume_3.djvu%2F117&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=10195297&amp;oldid=9530609 substitute it for established formatting] with breaks, may I suggest making the change to every other page in the work as well? I welcome any thoughts as to how to make this project better, albeit consistent with regard to formatting. Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 11:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

To add: I have admittedly not worked on these volumes for quite some time, so maybe I don't have much skin in the game, if that's even the correct way to use the phrase... But there was a standard established, and I simply wanted to bring attention to it. It may take years, but I do hope to have enough brain and staying power to do more work on that volume of works by Byron. Thanks, [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 19:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

:Hello, My apologies if I have irritated you with my contribution. In my defence I would say the following. Firstly, in my experience, whether you use the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; option, the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt; &lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; option or a mixture of the two makes no difference to how the pages appear when transcluded; it's more important that the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{center block/s}} and {{center block/e}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; are used consistently, and text sizes, footnotes, etc follow a consistent pattern. Secondly, the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; method makes it more difficult to spot transcription errors in the punctuation at the end of lines. I find that in most poetry the OCR does a good job with the text but frequently gets the punctuation wrong (e.g. . or ,. ; or :, and with poor scans ? and !). Finally, I suppose I just try to make best use of the tools that are available to help, and find the &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt; &lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt; method much quicker, in the absence of something to automatically put the line breaks it on every line.

:I previously did some work on Volume 5, but only on the introductory pieces to some of the poems. I gave up in despair over the complexities of the footnotes! I might go back now that I've more experience and have the example of using two groups of footnotes in 'The Giaour' Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

::Oh gee, I'm not irritated... But if I were to go through and validate at any time, please understand if I adapt some things along the way. I still think formatting consistency is best, even if output is not significantly affected... but that is me. Happy editing, and thanks for your response. [[User:Londonjackbooks|Londonjackbooks]] ([[User talk:Londonjackbooks|talk]]) 01:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Monody on the Death of Chatterton (1796)]] ==

Please do not start making decisions on the source of a work. We allow editions, so unless you know that our specific edition came from a specific work, then they should be left as they are, not forced into a work just because they were published there at one point. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:If you have an edition in a work that you are transcribing, then do its version from index, and transclude it, add {{tl|other versions}} to the top of the page. Then create [[Monody on the Death of Chatterton]] as a {{tl|versions}} page and link both versions from that page. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 06:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::I am transcribing the source 'Poems on Various Ocassions' which this version is from (as it says on the versions page), and if you'd give someone five minutes to do the job they're in the middle of then you wouldn't have to keep pinging me.
::Anyway, what's the obsession with keeping unsourced work? You reinstated an unsourced version of the 'Rime of the Ancient Mariner' despite my having replaced it with an indexed version (Sibylline Leaves (1817), the same version.
::I though the major point about this site, apart from making stuff available, is that it was a side by side transcription?[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

== Long s ==

Hi, may I ask what [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Philosophical_Transactions_-_Volume_050,_part_1.djvu/50&amp;curid=2884342&amp;diff=10303715&amp;oldid=10153986 is the problem] with {{template|ls}}? This template enables long s to be displayed as &quot;ſ&quot; in the page ns and as &quot;s&quot; in the main ns. Current practice is to display it just as &quot;s&quot; in the main ns, but if the practice got changed in future, the template would enable to display the character in its original form. What is more, people can adjust their common.js to have the long s displayed in the main namespace too. However, removing the template makes it impossible. Can it be returned? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 12:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi there. My view is that the use of the long 's' is just an annoyance. They make reading the text far harder on the screen (surely the point of making stuff available in the first place is that people read it); secondly, they make proofreading more difficult and mean that spell checking add-on I use in my browser becomes more of a hindrance than a help; finally the point is to do a transcription not create a reproduction. It's an 's'.
 
:Whilst it might be possible to change settings as you describe, how many casual readers would have the first idea what their 'common.js' is? I'd describe myself as a committed transcriber and it took me a good while to stumble across it.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::To note that the practice is to ensure that the main namespace produces a normal &quot;s&quot;. We allow the transcriber to determine whether they wish to use &quot;s&quot; or &quot;{{tl|long s}}. There are a few examples of where we have retained the long s as it was a decision made as part of the publication to create the work specifically with long s, so in that case we retained them, similarly if we are reproducing orthography in a work. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== [[Tom Brown's School Days (1868, 6th ed)]] ==

ALL works hosted on Wikisource should display appropriate licensing information. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

== Your input is requested at WS:PD ==

Hi Chrisguise,

Your input is requested at [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Template:Chart|WS:PD#Template:Chart]]. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 19:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== Category for removal ==

Hi Chrisguise, I stumbled across this category: &quot;Category:EB1911:People:Cities:Europe:Portugal&quot; that you created (a copy and paste error I assume — I've made a few of those!), how do we delete a category? regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}} — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== Unsourced works are not part of works ==

Please do not move unsourced works to be a part of other works. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 14:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

:I'm getting fed up of this pointless conversation. All I'm trying to do is to reduce the mountainous pile of unattributed *#&quot;% by linking it to actual texts in line with the stated aims of the site. You've no idea of what the source is for the version I moved, so editing it to match an actual source makes b###er all difference to anything.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:01, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
== [[Peleus and Thetis]] ==

In the future, please be careful when moving pages. You have caused several broken Wiki-links, which will need to be fixed. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC).

== Eugene Aram ==

This has been on my to-do list to deal with for several years, but I've never quite gotten there. Thanks for working on it. I'll try and find time to do some validation. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

:OK, thanks. Nearly finished volume 2. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== License templates ==

I added a license template to [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Doctrine_and_Discipline_of_Divorce&amp;diff=10499460&amp;oldid=10350152&amp;diffmode=source The Doctrine of Discipline and Divorce], which you recently listed on New Texts.

Per the [[WS:Copyright policy|Copyright policy]], works should have a license template, and &quot;it is the responsibility of the contributor to assert compatibility with Wikisource's license&quot;. This is the now the fourth time you've been asked to use them, would you please start doing it? [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 23:07, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

== Dramatick Poets ==

Hi. I have created [[template:Dramatick Poets link]] that should make it a little easier to create author page links.  It also allows us to more easily identify the works that are or are not linked. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

::OK, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

== Prometheus Unbound ==

Hello. Can the template &quot;Incomplete&quot; be removed from ''[[Prometheus Unbound; a lyrical drama in four acts with other poems]]'' now? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:30, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

:Done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

== Links to missing images ==

Hi Chris,

Regarding [[Special:Diff/10431214|this edit]]. Is the page's current state (linking an image that doesn't exist) deliberate, or just a glitch while editing? And if it's deliberate, what's the reasoning behind it? --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 21:19, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
:Hello, I've fixed the missing file (and the Title link in the footnote). The file link was based on the naming convention I adopted when I uploaded all the other images for vol 1 of this work, but for some reason I failed to upload this one. I was going to fix it when I did the images for volume 3 {{...|4}} [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 04:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
::Ah, thanks. I was guessing it was roughly that that was the case, but didn't want to go wading in there in case there was some specific reason you wanted it that way. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:27, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

== djvu links? ==

You have much more experience here than me, so in the spirit of curiousity and with the need of more information I ask this:

What is the problem with {{tl|djvu page link}}?

I realize that it is only useful at the proofing and even then, only when the toc is on the index page, but it is useful there and then.

I read or had it explained to me that it was too complicated.  Since then, I try to figure out a way for it to work in the Main.  Shifting the numbers and then the process gets broken at the chapter part.... It is an unfixable problem in the world that doesn't depress me to think about! In this way, it is beautiful and rare and I have grown very fond of it.

So, it is no wonder that I cannot determine a reason not to use it, and ask respectfully what is your reasoning to remove it?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 15:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
:Hi there. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with {{tl|djvu page link}} but it seems to me that it doesn't achieve anything when used in a table of contents (ToC). From a ToC the link needs to take you to the chapter content, not just to an individual page. Also, the links work on the page containing the ToC and on the Index page (if the ToC is shown there), but when the page containing the ToC is transcluded, the links are suppressed. The one place where I think {{tl|djvu page link}} is useful is when a book contains a list of illustrations, where a link to an individual page is appropriate.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 00:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

== Gentlemen Prefer Blondes ==

I noticed your edit [[Special:Diff/10990680/10991003]]. Why would you remove 24,000 bytes all at once ''and'' change the header? It appears to be correct and removing that information requires a rationale, or editors may assume the edit was disruptive. -- [[User:AnotherEditor144|AnotherEditor''144'']] &lt;sup&gt; [[User talk:AnotherEditor144|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/AnotherEditor144|c]] &lt;/sup&gt; 17:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

:I edited it because what was in there was copy and pasted text, not transcluded page transcriptions. I'm simply applying the appropriate guidance per https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Help:Beginner%27s_guide_to_transclusion. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

:: Thanks for that. I suppose it would transcluyde after a few hours anyway. [[User:AnotherEditor144|AnotherEditor''144'']] &lt;sup&gt; [[User talk:AnotherEditor144|t]] - [[Special:Contributions/AnotherEditor144|c]] &lt;/sup&gt; 21:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

== Red links for copyrighted works ==

Please do not add active red links for works that are under copyright. Red links are an implicit invitation to add the work, which cannot be legally done for works still under copyright. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:I take your point but I'm not sure where I've done such a thing, and so don't know what needs fixing.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
:: I've fixed it.  You added red links on ''Venus and Adonis'' (Shakespeare) as well as ''Rape of Lucrece'' (Shakespeare) for the Yale Shakespeare volume that is still under copyright. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

== [[template:page break]] ==

Hi. Modern usage of this template would typically be {{tlx|page break||label=}} which suppresses the word &quot;page&quot; and allows for the marginal page number. This is an old template that pre-exists the Index: namespace and transcluded works, and was designed for when we need to force page numbering harder/differently, and later adapted for the transcluded form. It would be great when you are transcluding pages that you could utilise this simpler form. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 01:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

== Please stop removing line-breaks, {smallrefs} sizing and header spaces ==

Can you please not remove line-breaks in EB1911, like you did here [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 10.djvu/17]], removing them makes proofing and validating more difficult; it also makes it very difficult to see what changes were made.

Please do not removing spacing from the header template, it is there for a reason to center the article names,  also on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 15.djvu/529]].

Please do not remove sizing from {smallrefs} template, in EB1911 we standardize on 90% ''i.e.'' {smallrefs|90%} like on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 15.djvu/529]]. When editing a transcluded EB1911 article and adding {smallrefs|90%}, use {clear} beforehand if there are author initials on the last text line (this prevents the initials dropping down  into the refs.); also add {rule} after {clear} if the last paragraph is fine print, thanks. 

Please take more care when editing, on [[Page:EB1911 - Volume 22.djvu/768]] you broke the section tag from working properly which resulting in blank text for [[1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Quilon]] - I have since fixed this. A check of the Preview would have showed the problem. I really have enough proofing to do without having to fix these issues. regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 04:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I just fixed another of your careless edits [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_28.djvu/265&amp;oldid=9637141] which you marked as &quot;Proofread&quot; but has a blatant error where the text &quot;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{EB1911 Fine Print|&lt;/nowiki&gt;&quot; is visible on the page because you did not terminate the template properly. If you are going to make edits in Wikisource, please take more care, some may see your many bad edits as vandalism. [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 00:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

== King John ==

If you're planning to replace the existing text with the ''First Folio'' text, then there's little point in moving the unsourced copy prior to replacement.  I did check, and the unsourced copy of this play does ''not'' match the text of the ''First Folio''.  It is a later editorialized edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:18, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Re: '''King Richard''': We don't remove words from the title.  The title of the play very clearly has the word &quot;King&quot; in it on its first page.  The table of contents for the First Folio contains many errors. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

== Speedy delete of Index:Chandos, Ouida.djvu ==

Hello. It seems that the page [[Index:Chandos, Ouida volume 3.djvu]] that you refer to in the speedy delete request at [[Index:Chandos, Ouida.djvu]] does not exist. Can you check it and correct the link, please? --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
:Hello. Having received no answer I have searched for the redundant index myself and found [[Index:Chandos, a novel (IA chandosnovel03ouid).pdf]]. While you wrote &quot;''A complete version of the same volume (and from the same 3 volume copy as volumes 1 and 2) has been added to the existing transcription project on Wikisource - see [[Index:Chandos, Ouida volume 3.djvu]]''&quot;, this index has different name and was made from a different copy. However, it contains the pages missing in the file suggested for deletion, so I deleted the file. Thanks very much for noticing this issue. I would just like to ask you to pay more attention when writing the reasons for deletion. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 07:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
::Hi there. Apologies for any confusion caused, I'll try and do better next time. Regards, Chris[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

== Paradise Lost ==

Not sure if you're planning on proofreading Paradise Lost (1674), but I added an index for copy of the actual 1674 text at [[Index:Paradise_Lost_1674.djvu]]. Sorry, the pages are not split, but this was the best copy that I could find. If you know of another, let me know and I'll try and get it. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 14:38, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: Addendum, copy B is slightly easier to read, but I couldn't get the IA tool to ingest it. {{IA|ParadiseLost1674CopyB}} [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 14:44, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
::Hi there. I wasn't but I started to have a look at doing so. However, the scan on Commons has a problem in that half of the image of pages numbered 28 and 29 is missing. I looked at sourcing a replacement but the alternative scan you provided a link to appears to have been removed from IA. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Hi, sorry, it was a slight error in the IA id. The correct id is {{IA|ParadiseLost1674CopyB}}. I also created an index for the second copy [[Index:ParadiseLost1674CopyB.pdf]] [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 02:45, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Also, UMich has the complete text of the 1674 edition online with page numbers, so you can copy and paste the text prior to proofreading. [https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo2/A50924.0001.001/1:1?rgn=div1;view=toc]. Should make things a bit easier. [[User:Languageseeker|Languageseeker]] ([[User talk:Languageseeker|talk]]) 03:06, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Hi, I notice that the text of a number of the double pages have started appearing. I'm about 60% of the way through splitting the file into single page scans, so if you could hold off for a while .... ahould have said something earlier. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
::::Having spent quite a bit of time on this it turns out that there are a number of pages missing - not completely sure as the page numbering is a little awry in some places, but it could be as many as eight. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

== [[Page:The tale of Balen (IA taleofbalen00swin).pdf/147|The logo image]] ==

While those two images may look similar, they are not the same. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:22, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: I don't want to be a party pooper though, congrats on producing so many texts as you have so quickly! I was just letting you know, I would replace the image myself but Internet Archive appears to be down for maintenance. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
: Fixed [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
:: Although I have done quite a lot of things over the years, I don't necessarily do them that quickly - for instance I've been working on a ''History of the Royal Society'' (single volume, c.500 pages) off and on for about two years now. I flit between a number of transcriptions at any one time, so tend to have several works come to completion close together, and then nothing for a while. I also try and clear up some of the stuff that seems to have been left behind, such as texts that get close to completion of proofreading but just need dragging over the finishing line (''e.g''. ''Jane Eyre (1st edition)''), or works that have been proofread but have not been transcluded (''e.g''. ''The Boy Who Knew What The Birds Said''). I generally add these to the new works list once done. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:20, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

== Moving the Alchemist ==

Please don't make moves like you did with the Alchemist. It is your presumption that it came from that source, yet it says that it was a Gutenberg source, and we wouldn't be making such a decision without a community conversation. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 08:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
:Can I ask what is the problem with the people who run this site (past as well as present)? It appears to me that they have failed, and continue to fail, to uphold its stated aims, since it contains predominantly unsourced text and seems to continue to add more; it is frequently just copied from Gutenberg, which, for the large part, doesn't unequivocally identify its sources and therefore has no 'auditable trail' (irony intentional) to an original; and when someone is prepared to invest the time and effort to migrate the unsourced text of a major work (or indeed any work) to a source, even if it involves some minor editing, there is resistance and a desire to retain unsourced material in preference.  Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

== [[Index:The practice of typography; correct composition; a treatise on spelling, abbreviations, the compounding and division of words, the proper use of figures and nummerals by De Vinne, Theodore Low, 1828-1914.djvu]] ==

Do you want me to back off, we seem to be running into sutff we are both editing pages at a time? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

:No, I've moved on to a chapter later in the book. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

== Using px in widths ==

Hi! Congratulations on yet another work done! Just a little quibble over something that inhibits export readiness and accessibility: when you use ''px'' as a unit for something that contains text content, you are making an implicit assumption that everyone will have the same font size as you (by default in most browsers, this is 16px). This is not a safe assumption to make in the general case, as e-readers often have much larger font sizes and also visually-impaired users may have larger fonts too. This means that your ''px''-sized box becomes much too small for the text. However, if you use an equivalent ''em'' size, the box would scale in line with the system font size. For an actual example, you can see [[H:PXWIDTH]].

In general, the solution is simple: divide the ''px'' width you would use by 16 and use that number of ''em''s: e.g. 400px → 25em. This will look the same on a default browser, but will also work as the font size changes. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I have a 'pro-forma' template for an AUXTOC in my clipboard manager, which I keep forgetting to edit - I've done it now. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you! ^_^ [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 12:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

== Long esses ==

Re: [[The Lamb's Marriage Proclaimed]] I'm with you on not reproducing long esses on Wikisource.  However I would not tend to remove them from projects where other people have done most of the work.  Not saying you shouldn't (I don't know), just that's why I didn't! [[User:PeterR2|PeterR2]] ([[User talk:PeterR2|talk]]) 12:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry for not responding sooner. I dislike the use of the long ess for a number of reasons but generally speaking I don't remove them where they have been used consistently throughout a work. In fact I generally won't do work validation work on texts where people have replicated them. In the case of this work, and a whole load of other National Library of Scotland chapbooks I've worked on recently, there was so much work still to do at the validation stage that I took the long esses out (a simple find and replace) to make the proofreading / correction work easier. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== This voyage is over! ==

I've fixed up all the [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked?hidebots=1&amp;hidecategorization=1&amp;hideWikibase=1&amp;target=Index%3AThe_Periplus_of_Hanno.djvu&amp;limit=100&amp;days=21&amp;urlversion=2 Greek I could find]. It's all green at [[Index:The_Periplus_of_Hanno.djvu]] so . . . ? [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 07:54, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, found a paper where someone was suggesting Periplus as a resource [https://crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&amp;context=necj for instruction in Ancient Greek]. Also, had to fix a [https://el.wikisource.org/wiki/%CE%95%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C:%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%82/Shenme couple mistakes] at el.wikisource ! [[User:Shenme|Shenme]] ([[User talk:Shenme|talk]]) 08:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

== 1000 nights + 1 ==

Hi, noticed you also edited [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Arabian_Nights&amp;diff=11643478&amp;oldid=9058783 this page]. I have hit a wall more than once in trying to dab several overlapping version/translation/dab pages for Victorian era adaptations, anyone wrangling the redirects, however brutally, would be making a start on this. Pass along your thoughts if you are interested. [[User:Cygnis insignis|Cygnis insignis]] ([[User talk:Cygnis insignis|talk]]) 17:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
:Hi there. I only edited the page because I've been migrating various single, unsourced poems by [[Author:Alfred Tennyson|Alfred Tennyson]] to an indexed source, which I am transcribing (Poems (1843, in 2 vols.)). After  migrating each poem, I follow-up and correct linking pages using the 'What links here? tool. I did notice that there seemed to be a bit of a muddle around the 'Arabian Nights', largely driven by the inconsistent way publications have been titled over the years, despite being derived from a common source. However, given all the other things I'm doing at the moment, I resisted the temptation to start trying to improve the situation! [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

== descriptive summary for new texts ==

Hi. When you are adding works to [[Template:New texts]] it would be great if you would be able to add a descriptive summary, as is requested on the instructions for that page. Thanks for your help there. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 15:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

== The Works of H G Wells, chapter headings ==

Hello. Please don't change the font size of the chapter headings and names. It's a matter of consistency, they're the same size and style throughout the three volumes we've been working on in the last few months. Thank you. [[User:Tromaster|Tromaster]] ([[User talk:Tromaster|talk]]) 20:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

:Hi there. OK, but I suppose the real question is why they were ever done like that in the first place, since the font size of  'Chapter ...' is the same as the chapter text and the chapter title is slightly smaller. It makes the transcluded chapter headings look rather 'shouty'.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

== prev/next in [[The History of the Royal Society of London/Chapter 7]] ==

Hi. Was the labelling as produced in the visible previous and next purposeful? Couldn't we use the section names? — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 10:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

:I have been working on this work - on and off - for quite a long time and need to proof read the last 5 pages. However, I've been prevaricating for a while now about how best to break down the work for the AuxTOC and so haven't filled in the details on all the before and afters yet. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

== A Tale ==

Hello. Are you sure that the title of the Brontë’s work should have lowercase &quot;a&quot; instead of the uppercase &quot;A&quot;, as written in you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Professor%3A_A_Tale&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=11957933&amp;oldid=11957928 speedy delete request]? Looking at [[Page:The Professor (1857 Volume 1).djvu/5]] or at [[Page:The Professor (1857 Volume 1).djvu/7]] I would say it should be uppercase A. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

:Hi. Possibly, but all the chapters in both volumes 1 and 2 (25 in total) have been done with a lower case 'a', so to be consistent I'd go with that. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

== Babbage scan ==

Hi! It looks like you removed duplicated pages from [[Index:On the economy of machinery and manufactures - Babbage - 1846.djvu]]. I have shifted the other pages down. In general, please don't change scans out from under active works as it will require an admin to do the page shifts (this is a technical thing, because redirects have to be suppressed or it won't work), and until that's done, the rest of the book will be offset. It would be better to request the removal at [[WS:LAB]], then someone can do the fix ''and'' shift the pages at the same time.

Also, if you mark a book as &quot;needs fixing&quot;, please always explain why so someone can deal with it (e.g. &quot;pages need shifting by 2 after page removal, starting at position 39, pp. 37-38 to be deleted&quot; would do), otherwise it requires someone to guess what your issue is and that makes mistakes easy if the wrong end of a stick is grasped. [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:34, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

:Actually it's still broken because the new file is missing page numbered 26. Which pages were actually duplicated originally? Just pages 26/27 (numbered xiv,xv)? [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::Yes, I only removed the two duplicate pages from the contents, I hadn't spotted the other missing page. There is another scan of the same edition on IA which has the missing page. I can rebuild the file and insert the missing page. Can you confirm that you want me to do this? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::I've just removed the original pages from the old file (with a command like &lt;code&gt;djvm -d bab.djvu 26&lt;/code&gt;) and re-uploaded since the quality seems less blurry anyway (looks like you have a c44 compressor turned up pretty high - it's hard to compete with the IA Luratech compressor!). So I think it should just be sorted now. At least it looks all in line to me (which probably means it's subtly wrong somewhere ^_^) [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 10:04, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:Apologies, I hadn't previously been aware of the page you've provided the link to. I've corrected a few other works by changing the scan file and then manually moving the text from the effected pages, albeit on works that hadn't progressed so far as this one. If I come across any others, I'll know what to do. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::The problem with copying the text between pages is that is makes a confusing mess of the contribution history for the page. Also, it makes a mess of the proofreading status because, for example, you won't be able to validate proofread text that you copied, and others can validate text that you copied, even if they proofread it originally. It's far better to just move the pages without redirects which preserved edit history and proofreading statuses. There are bots for this, so it only takes seconds to do. 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC) [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]]—&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[User talk:Inductiveload|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Inductiveload|contribs]]&lt;/span&gt; 09:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::Can I ask for your assistance with one of the Monthly Challenge works - [[Index:The future of Africa.djvu]]. I was going to do the transclusion but it became apparent that there are a number of pages missing from the work (including the ToC page). I have found a complete version of the same edition on IA which I will upload shortly but there will be a need to move pages. Thanks, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

== Winnie-the-Pooh images ==

Please read Your Commons talk page. [[User:Feydey|feydey]] ([[User talk:Feydey|talk]]) 15:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

== [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom.pdf]] ==

I solved the side-headers issue... see my recent efforts.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 21:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. I expect to upload the first batch of images shortly (starting with the initial letters). I'll add a link on the index page when I do.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 00:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

: The images are NOT out of copyright in the UK though, I checked who the artists were. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

== Hamlet - First Folio ==

Just a heads-up.  Some of the First Folio editions are divided into scenes; some are not.  And some of the scenes are numbered differently from other editions (or don't exist in other editions.  It's one of the reasons why we divided the Yale Shakespeare by Acts, without separating out the scenes.  And the FF has the added issue that you can't always divide the Acts into scenes because not all the plays are divided that way. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:25, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. I've done a few of the comedies and histories and have followed whatever was printed (i.e. just division into Acts or into Acts and Scenes). With Hamlet the printer has started by dividing into Acts and Scenes in Act I. but after Act I., Scene III. has abandoned marking the acts and scenes. There are some markings for Act II. too but after that there's nothing. I'm transcluding at the scene level, following the divisions used elsewhere, and which can be identified from the stage directions. Otherwise it would be just one long screed.[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

:: OK.  But keep in mind that, the way you're currently doing the FF that people trying to grab a download will not be able to do so.  For the final work to be downloadable, ''all'' content must be listed on the work's principal page.  That includes every play subpage, and every act/scene subpage.  If they aren't listed on the principal page for the FF in a table of contents, then the download won't grab them. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
:::Hi. Although there is a main page with a table of contents (i.e. [[Shakespeare - First Folio facsimile (1910)]]) it clearly isn't complete yet. The content of the 'front matter' sub page (see [[Shakespeare - First Folio facsimile (1910)/Front matter|Front matter]]) either needs including on the main page (e.g. the title page) or breaking into individual sections (e.g. the individual poems). An AuxTOC section then needs adding to the main page, rather than what's there at the moment. The 'front matter' sub-page also contains the ToC page from the work, which needs removing. The way it's set up at the moment isn't my doing. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

== Specific linking in author pages to poems/short stories/etc. ==

Please prefer a link like this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[The Death Bed (Cuney)|The Death Bed]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

over something like

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[Fire!!/The Death Bed]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't think that there's a hard rule for this on Wikisource, however the likelihood is relatively high that any number of the works in ''Fire!!'' might have appeared in other collections, or perhaps as individual reprints of themselves. Those collections/reprints may someday get representation on Wikisource, so having a generic link there would prevent us from having to change the data on all the author pages later when a versions page is made. So I at least would prefer it for the sake of the DRY (Don't Repeat Yourself) axiom. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:38, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I can't say I agree with you, because:
:(1) If I click on a link for a work, I expect to be taken to a copy of that work, not to a page that might contain several versions of it and then have to choose among them. Access to other versions (whether there are actually other copies, or just 'might be one day' ones) can then be had via the 'other versions' link at the top of the work.
:(2) If I put a link in a work to the origin of a quotation (such as those perennial favourites, Shakespeare, Paradise Lost and the Bible}, I don't link to a 'versions' page and then let the reader pick one for themselves and wade through the whole work to try and find the line(s) of interest. I link to a specific point in one version.
:(3) If I'd named the transcription 'The Death Bed' or 'The Death Bed (Cuney)' instead of 'Fire!!/Flame from the Dark Tower/The Death Bed' then I might agree with you, since - in the unlikely event of further versions - that would require moving things about to create a disambiguation page. But I didn't.
:(4) I spend too much time as it is doing stuff on this site without expending even more effort creating pages that probably won't ever get used. For an example of where this gets you, see the 'Folios' section of [[Hamlet (Shakespeare)]].
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Sections in a Journal of the Plague Year ==

Hi,

Just curious, when transcluding a Journal of the Plague Year, did you have pages in mind to put in each of the three sections in the auxiliary table of contents? I only ask because (a) I dislike transcluding works all on one page, and (b) having a look through all the pages, I can't seem to see any clearly identifiable sections. If you prefer, I can transclude a single section (&quot;Memoirs of the Plague&quot;) and cut sections 2 and 3 from the ToC (at least everything isn't then on the opening page for the work), or I can cut the ToC entirely and put everything on the front page (after transcluding, it should then be easier to search for issues/missing nops etc.).

Thanks (and thanks for helping with many of the other MC transclusions),[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

== Soft redirects such as at [[Elegy (Swinburne)]] ==

It appears you turned the redirect at [[Elegy (Swinburne)]] into a soft redirection to [[Astrophel and Other Poems/Elegy]] from a hard redirection. Hard redirects are preferred at Wikisource unless they are in the form of a disambiguation page. The soft redirects recently got process-deleted by [[User:Xover|Xover]], which they did along with several other pages in the now non-existent category [[:Category:Soft redirects/March 2021]]. Note also to the deleter [[User:Xover|Xover]], and [[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] who also edited, that the redirects to the poems of [[Astrophel and Other Poems]] will eventually need to be recreated and disambiguated accordingly. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

== [[North and South (First Edition)]] ==

This work will not download for readers because the chapters are not listed on the first page.  Downloads only work if the contents are fully listed on the first page of the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

== Missing images on The Strand ==

Hi,

Did you forget about [[Page:The Strand Magazine (Volume 3).djvu/6]] and [[Page:The Strand Magazine (Volume 3).djvu/8]], or just haven't got around to them yet? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

:I bring it up because the current state puts them into the [[:Category:Pages with missing files]] maintenance category (which should generally be empty so that we can catch any genuine problems and fix them). Would you be opposed to removing the placeholder filename in the {{tl|img float}} templates? That would leave the templates in place, but not cause the page to land in that maintenance category. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:36, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
::Hello,
::I've no problem with your suggested change, which I've done. I wasn't planning on doing the images any time soon, as there are lots of them in the whole work. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

== Formatting in [[Index:Hebrew Melodies.djvu]] ==

Hi, I'm validating this work and I have a question about the formatting of poem titles.

Where the title is printed on more than one line, sometimes you have preserved it but sometimes you have not. For example, [[Page:Hebrew Melodies.djvu/54|page 42]] vs. [[Page:Hebrew Melodies.djvu/27|page 15]]. How did you choose when to do this? On reflection, how do you think it should be? Ideally I would like to get it in a consistent state before finishing the validation.

Thanks in advance! [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 12:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. Thanks for the work you're doing - hopefully I've not made too many errors.
:I don't have a specific system for dealing with titles (poems or otherwise). I do split the title to follow the design intent if different parts of it are in different font sizes or formats. For poems, if (unsplit) the total length of the title is less than the length of the longest verse, I tend to leave it on one line. If (unsplit) it is longer than the verses of the poem, I think it sometimes makes the overall layout (when transcluded) look 'off-centre', so I split it, depending on how it looks to me. 
:I won't die in a ditch over this - if you want to change things to make them all consistent, then feel free. 
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 13:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for the explanation, it does make sense to me. It's a sensible approach and you've applied it consistently, so I'm happy to leave it as is. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 15:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

== Cleanup templates ==

[[File:AsAManThinketh - temp screenshot PM.png|thumb]]

Please do not [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=As_a_Man_Thinketh&amp;type=revision&amp;diff=12390638&amp;oldid=12386619 remove cleanup templates] until the issue has been corrected  The work's chapter pages are still missing header templates, as required by our Style Guide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

At right is a screenshot of the code for Chapter 1 of [[As a Man Thinketh]] as an example.  There is no header template on this or any of the other chapters of the work.  The header templates need to be added for this work to meet Wikisource standards. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

== Folio header block image missing ==

Hi. Just in case it's an oversight (vs. work in progress or similar), [[Page:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910.djvu/856]] refers to [[:File:Shakespeare - First Folio Faithfully Reproduced, Methuen, 1910 - header block type 3.jpg]], which doesn't exist. No worries if you just haven't got around to it yet; I just saw it while processing the backlog in [[:Category:Pages with missing files]] and figured I'd drop you a note just in case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 13:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

:Thanks. Although I've done most of the images from the work, there are some outstanding, including the one you came across (which is an upside down version of one of the header types already on Commons and used elsewhere in this work). I hope to get round to them soon - currently progressing 'Anthony and Cleopatra'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Pastorals Epistles Odes (1748) ==

Normally, if a work has been proofread and transcribed including long-s, to preserve the original, it is impolite to remove them all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

:I wouldn't bother normally but the proofreading isn't that good (missing lines, mis-spellings masked by the pointless replication of the long 's') and the use of multiple carriage returns instead of {{dhr}}. Plus the larger text items are disproportionately large compared to the basis text size. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I have reverted your changes to the Pindar section because you have altered formatting in a way that does not match the original.  The poem is neither centered nor shrunk into the middle of the page, but is left-aligned.  You also altered line spacing, among other things, which neither follows the source nor is consistent across pages.  Please check against the original. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

== Validating Index:A study of Ben Jonson (IA studyofbenjonson00swinrich).pdf ==

Please see [[Page:A study of Ben Jonson (IA studyofbenjonson00swinrich).pdf/147]] in the upper left half corner, is an orphaned format {{fine| that has no closure on the other end.  If I try to fix it, the page reverts to needing a Proofread.  [[User:Maile66|Maile66]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 00:00, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I've fixed the problem. Thanks for doing the validation on this work, and some others I've done (e.g. A Little Country Girl, A Satyr against Hypocrites, A Woman's Estimate of Walt Whitman, etc.) [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

== 'What pages can I validate, etc.' gadget ==

cf. [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Help/Archives/2022#'What_pages_can_I_validate,_etc.'_gadget|WS:S/H#'What pages can I validate, etc.' gadget]]. It took a bit longer than hoped-for, but I've now rewritten that gadget so it should work with the latest Proofread Page output. Let me know how it works for you. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 21:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

:Everything seems to be back in order. Thanks for fixing it, it'll certainly help me. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:36, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

== First part of Wallenstein, scene XII ==

Hello. It seems to me that the [[Page:Wallenstein, a drama in 2 parts - Schiller (tr. Coleridge) (1800).djvu/127|scene XII]] is not written in verse and so the &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; tag should not be used there and the lines should be joined. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 20:53, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

== categorising in main namespace ==

Hi. With categorising in the main namespace there needs to be a little caution. When it is biographies of people, the articles will fall under &quot;category:biographies of ...&quot; not under the occupational categories like [[:category:English poets]] as the latter categories are set aside for people pages in the Author: namespace. You can see a split under a page like 
[[:Category:Occupations]] where I have tried to tidy it up.  We still have not worked out the process for people in the Portal: namespace, or I haven't further worked on it. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 12:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

== [[The Jade Story Book]] ==

I just ran across [[The Jade Story Book]] and saw the note there regarding the toc. Annoying to deal with all the myriad ways people have constructed tocs over the years. But I wonder, why did you go with &quot;/Chapter 1&quot; etc. instead of simply naming the subpages after the title of the story? I guess I'm trying to figure out whether it was a deliberate choice of one over the other, or just what you happened to pick there and then. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I'm not sure I can remember. I know that the general guidance is to use the title of a story for collections of stories (as also with poems) but in this case I probably though using numbers was easier for linking the transcluded stories together (via 'previous' and 'next') following the order they appear in the book, rather than as per the ordering in the TOC. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
::So not particularly invested in the current page naming if I should go insane and decide to rename them? I probably won't, at least any time soon, but the thought briefly gripped me before sanity reasserted itself. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
:::No. I had no particular interest in the work. It was on the 'Monthly Challenge' - in the 'to fix' category I think - so I did what I could. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
== [[The She-Gallants]] ==

Why? It was already dealt with, why did you make a mess of it? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 15:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

:Why what? Made a mess of what? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

== Notes on Democracy -- audio ==

[[:commons:Category:Notes on Democracy (Mencken, 1926)]].  The book appeared at librivox shortly after yours hit the New Texts.  The librivox audio are single channel mp3, these are nicely tagged 2 channel oggs.  I should get back to previous commitments, so maybe you could add them to the chapters?  I can do it soon, though, unless you don't want them included in your book here.  If you don't want them there, tell me.

Also, I need to add the chapter link to each file at commons (I could have done this at upload time!) Great work, nice job.  I am glad it is here.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

:Hi there. I have no particular attachment to this text, I just did a small amount of work on it to get it over the line as part of the monthly challenge. If you want to add audio files, then go ahead. Regards. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:50, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

== For editing WD from here ==

Hi. We have the WEF Framework gadget installed here, and it is really useful for batch editing a work or an author here, and can be used for creating items. Makes my life a lot easier, especially as it presents a range of fields to edit and one can do it with the page of data in front of you. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. I appreciate you taking the time to offer advice which makes life easier, but unfortunately I don't actually understand what you've told me. I've looked on the 'Gadgets' tab in my 'Preferences' for something corresponding to your description of the gadget but can't see anything. Did you mean to include a link in your message?  Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

== Hume's Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding ==

Thanks so much for completing transcription of this work! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

== you don't like wikidata templates? ==

I am wondering about {{diff|12598897|diff=12977175|text=these changes to Maggie Brown.}}--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 18:58, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there,
:In response to your question, I would say my main problem with the templates, and why I edited the page, is that the output they produce is inconsistent with what appear to be the general rules for formatting author pages (i.e. Title of work in italics, date in brackets, and if work is a part of a larger, such as a poem in a collection of poems, work title in normal font and enclosed in quotation marks.)
:Whilst I get the use of Wikidata as a single source of information to feed other wikis, the information in it is, in my limited experience, inconsistently formatted. Editing or adding to it not a nice experience.
: 
:I'd also say that the WD templates feel like clever IT solutions by people who like coding, rather than user-friendly tools for simple-minded transcribers like me, and they are very poorly documented.
:Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

::Well, for sure, the templates put quotes around whatever wikidata has for the name of the data (not what is in the title property) and the italics are used for the &quot;published in&quot; property.  I wrote it to work with articles first, thinking that the same rules would work for both the book and the article.

::About inconsistency!  Are you complaining that without wikidata, the inconsistency is only in the hundreds of thousands of links appearing at the version and author and portal pages!  Your argument assumes a previous consistency that you are returning to which completely does not exist.  Also, you just subst: it, so you made a not templated version of what the template was doing.  

::As far as coding goes, I am pretty simple; resisting the urge to stray beyond the basic calls, not completely &quot;getting&quot; some of the terse code acrobatics that can be employed by the less simple. This person, however, has manually changed links for on thing on several wikis (the biology based subjects span the languages, so 20 link changes is not unthinkable).  This human would rather change it just once; and would like English literature buffs to perhaps understand a more global use of wikis than they experience.

::One other mistake that you might be making is that you think that computers are complex.  That is not true.  Computers are the stupidest thing human beings have ever created.  Enabled stupidity; they really need to be told each step no matter how insignificant this would seem to a functioning human brain.  If you can count to 3 without help, you are smarter than a computer.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 14:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, so, I was confused about &quot;inconsistency&quot; because I thought my templates reflected a good version of what the normal was here.  Today I saw that there had been a change in the formatting; the date no longer appears at the end, and personally, I think it looks awkward to have it in parenthesis where it shows now, but no one asked my opinion.  See {{diff|12985259|what Billinghurst did here|12985257}}, well, read the comment on the left.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:32, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. Thanks for the reply, which to some extent reinforces my point. 
:I do think computers are very complex pieces of technology but I also agree they do a very simple thing (i.e. follow rules). 
:My comment about consistency was not to do with Wikidata, it was to do with whether the output the template produces (in terms of both content and format) is consistent with the general approach adopted on many author pages where 'manual' linking has been used (based on my own experience, pretty much all author pages use manual linking for everything other than major reference works, such as DNB or EB1911).  
:I'm not a computer programmer (other than dabbling with macros in Excel (before VBA), my only other experience of coding was with Fortran 4 in the early 1980's). As a transcriber I'm not interested in what is going on 'under the bonnet/hood', I just need to know that a 'tool' is available, what it does and how to use it. It would also be good if it works properly in conjunction with other 'tools' and, as in this particular case, whether the output it produces is consistent with the general Wikisource guidance. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 03:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

== [[Great Expectations (1st edition)]] ==

This is ''not'' the first published edition, though it is the first ''book'' edition.  It is better to identify an edition by year and publisher than by edition number.  Edition numbers get complicated, especially with novels whose first publication was serialized, and where US and UK editions were published in the same year. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:40, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. With regard to the naming of the above, and the correspondence with @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]]. When naming the work, I followed the example of other first editions such as 'Jane Eyre' and 'Frankenstein'. I have named the transcluded chapters 'Chapter 1', 'Chapter 2', etc. per the guidance, but have titled them using roman numerals in line with the text. 
:Setting aside whether a work published in multiple parts in a magazine is an 'edition', technically the scan appears to be of the first edition of the book, based on the description given in ''The First Editions of the Writings of Charles Dickens and their Values: A Bibliography'' (1913), by John C. Eckel, pp. 91-92 [https://archive.org/details/firsteditionsofw00eckerich]. To what extent, if any, the work was corrected during printing is not stated. This edition also pre-dates the first appearance of the work in America (see ''First and Early American Editions of the Works of Charles Dickens'' (1968), by William Glyde Wilkins, pp. 31-32. [https://archive.org/details/firstearlyameric0000wilk] [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 02:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

== Anon. Letter to Adam Smith ==

Hi Chrisguise,

very interesting, that you uploaded and proofread [[A Letter to Adam Smith LL.D. on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume Esq.]] I started validating, and tried to make some links (like on [[Page:A Letter to Adam Smith on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume (1777).djvu/17|this page]]). Of course I'll continue soon.

Now I have a question. For instance on [[Page:A Letter to Adam Smith on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume (1777).djvu/19|page 5]], reference is made to page 43 (and 59) of &quot;Life, &amp;c.&quot; Do you know which page 43 is meant? Our own edition of ''[[The Life of David Hume, Esq.]]'' has only 35 pages! 

Greetings, --[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 08:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there. The two references you mention are given as 'Life, etc.', which is the overall work (i.e. 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). However, the part of the work written by Hume ('My Own Life') is, as you say, only 35 pages out of the total of 62. The references to p.43 and p.59 are pointing at information in the 'Letter from Adam Smith' which is part of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'. For example, the anonymous author refers to the playing of whist (a card game), which Adam Smith mentions in his letter (on page 49 of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). Likewise, the quote used by the anonymous author (&quot;men will, no doubt, judge variously&quot;) is directly from Smith's letter (on page 59 of 'The Life of David Hume, Esq.'). Hope that makes sense, Regards, and with thanks for your validation efforts, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

::Found it! It's really great.... You also created &quot;The Life,&quot; including the letter of Smith! Especially the letter of Smith does interest me a lot. A couple of years ago I've been on a &quot;pilgrimage&quot; to Kirkcaldy (and Edinburgh), so you understand.... Wonderful.... Now I have a nice list of &quot;validating&quot; things again!  I'll do my best. Greetings, --[[User:Dick Bos|Dick Bos]] ([[User talk:Dick Bos|talk]]) 09:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:::No problem. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:12, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

== Tragedy... ==

Hi Chris,{{pbr}}Not to get all possessive and all, nor suggest the help is not appreciated (it very much is!), but… Maybe chill a bit before diving in when I'm still working on it? It's a text I've been working on for nearly five years. I was in the middle of going through the older bits to bring them in line with the more recently done bits, tidying up and standardising, etc.; and then transcluding everything in a standard way. When you start wading into the middle of that it kinda feels like I have to &quot;clean up&quot; and redo stuff after a second person in addition to cleaning up after myself-from-half-a-decade-ago. And the way I've done things (like the chapter headings) is mostly deliberate. If you think I've messed them up some way (I'm far from infallible!), bring it up on talk somewhere and we'll hash it out. In particular, I've been more concerned with ''standardising'' the chapter headings than the fine details of ''formatting'' them, because then I can bot-adjust them in one go or change the formatting with CSS. When you jump in and start changing them (regardless of whether one or the other is the &quot;right&quot; way) you kinda throw a wrench into that plan.{{pbr}}Please don't take this as indicating I'm not grateful for the help. I very very much am! It's just a gentle nudge to avoid needlessly stepping on one another's toes too much. 😀 [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

:Hi there. Sorry, it's another instance on my part of disappearing down a rabbit hole, having chanced upon the index page while following up links and connections with other things, and then getting drawn in and .... before you know it ...! I see things in the state of progress that this one is in and think that, if I lend some assistance, it can be got over the line in terms of completing the proofread and transclusion, without really thinking about what has been done to get it to where it is in the first place. I should take time to review.
:Like you I have things I've been working on for a long time (haven't made 5 years yet, but I only started doing this four years ago). Maybe I wouldn't take so long if I didn't keep getting distracted.
:Not sure whether you want me to revert the changes I made. I have used the standard header template for the transclusion and followed your ToC set up. I also believe I've been consistent in applying the font size changes to chapter titles, so automated changes should still work. Just reverting the changes will loose some actual corrections, though (plus see the following observations). 
:(i) I didn't understand the need to increase the font size of headings beyond what is in the original work. It seems to me to create emphasis where there is none in the original. I just replicate what's in the printed work as best I can; (ii) I've done a reasonable amount of poetry transcription using &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and I've found that if you don't include both the 'start' and 'end' parameters it can lead to problems; (iii) the ppoem format isn't really working for the dialogue sections quoted in the notes. I only came across the &lt;nowiki&gt;{{playscript}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; and &lt;nowiki&gt;{{rbstagedir}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; templates recently, and this is the first time that I've tried them, but they seem to work reasonably well. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:P.S. Regarding the font size thing, lots of people seem to do this. They see a title that's all capitals and assume its a larger font, when the capitals are just the same as those used in the main body. I probably did it myself before I found a Firefox add-in that allows you to measure features on web pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
::No need to revert. As you say, that tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have lots of fixing still to do on this before it's done.{{pbr}}One of those things is the headings, where the triple-xl etc. stuff was done in 2018 and now stood out to me as egregious. For the more recent parts I'd standardised on c+xl for the chapter headings, and c+xl+asc for the subheading. Mainly because I tend to use c+xl as a decent approximation, &quot;close enough&quot;, for most texts, and was planning to assess the need for further tweaks in a last pass over it. cf. a recent WS:S discussion (that I'm too lazy to dig up and link just now) I'm toying with the idea of creating some generic &quot;chapter heading&quot; templates that have really basic default formatting, but contains hooks so you can apply an Index stylesheet to them to get the details just right. This particular text was one of my main motivations for that.{{pbr}}The play texts—the ones with speech prefixes—are another bit that is on my todo list to fix. I'm fairly sure I can do it with CSS, in which case I'll get all of them in one fell swoop. But in any case, they're a known issue and I'd just left them for this fixup pass after finishing the transcription.{{pbr}}{{tl|ppoem}} should under no circumstances need explicit start/end params stating the defaults (it should literally do ''nothing'' except make the template syntax more complicated). If you run across any instances where that's needed then it's a bug and we should fix it. Ppoem isn't really designed to do play scripts just now, but I'm investigating ways it could be adopted to do so (possibly by giving it a {{tl|pplay}} sister template). It might be too complicated to try to address all the myriad ways play scripts are formatted, but I think a large proportion of cases could probably be handled the same way ppoem does it. {{tl|playscript}}, {{tl|playscript2}}, and {{tl|rbstagedir}} are decent attempts, but they still suffer from a lot of the problems (complicated to use, fragile and prone to breakage, unexpected and non-intuitive behaviours, etc.) that made {{tl|ppoem}} necessary for poems.{{pbr}}In any case… Let me finish honing up the rough edges and polishing it a bit, and then I'll give you a ping. Feedback like the above (heading size etc.) is always useful, even if I might want to find some alternate way to approach it (opinionated and geeky, you know how that goes). And I know there'll be stuff I missed in the Proofreading so a second pair of eyes is always welcome (e.g. I've discovered I have a blind spot for italic emphasis in text, so there's bound to be a bunch of missed italics in there). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi, OK with the not reverting and awaiting your ping.
:::As I don't have any HTML programming knowledge (or much other programming knowledge for that matter) I can't really comment on the robustness or otherwise of different templates (I just want them to work for me).
:::I was puzzled by your comment about the 'ppoem' start / end parameters. They are required where the poetry spans more than one page - if you don't it doesn't transclude properly. If you do it as separate blocks on adjacent pages, the width of the text block varies depending on verse length and, as the block is centered by default, the sections of text don't left align on transclusion.  Likewise, if you have poetry in a footnote in a poem it seems to be essential to use these parameters (two of my long term projects are [[Hudibras]], by [[author:Samuel Butler (1612-1680)|Samuel Butler]], and [[The Dunciad]] by [[author:Alexander Pope|Alexander Pope]] - footnotes galore!) Given this, I have defaulted to always using the parameters every time I use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;, with all of the possible combinations in my clipboard manager.
:::I do find &lt;nowiki&gt;{{ppoem}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; much better than &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;, apart from the overly large - and non-adjustable - indent it uses when wrapping lines.
:::Regarding the your potential header templates, there are various ones I've come across that may be trying to do as you suggest (don't keep a record) the most recent one is called something like 'pseudoheading'. There's another one I've come across (don't recall the name) where you define the chapter heading and subheading sizes with a 1, 2, etc - and which is another example of inflated heading font sizes). I personally just stick to the simple options given in the 'help' pages. I dislike things where you need to use style sheets, noting comment about HTML programming above. Likewise, things like the truncated version of the header template, where I can't see what's going on 'under the bonnet' in terms of what it displays - or doesn't (not helped by poor help documentation). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
::::{{para|start}} and {{para|end}} for {{tl|ppoem}} are required when its contents span multiple pages, but ''not'' when it is used within a single page; that is, when the value you give to those parameters are, respectively, &lt;code&gt;open&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;close&lt;/code&gt;. When you do not give {{tl|ppoem}} these parameters, {{para|start|open}} and {{para|end|close}} are the default values it uses, and so specifying them explicitly is redundant. It should ''never'' be necessary to explicitly specify {{para|start|open}} and {{para|end|close}}. Other values of these two parameters are, obviously, needed when spanning pages.{{pbr}}Yeah, IndexStyles are not for normal people. We'll have to provide some nice cut&amp;paste-able snippets for common scenarios and good user-friendly instructions. For example, tweaking the hanging indent for {{tl|ppoem}} should be possible with that method (and re-usable across texts that use it). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for the clarification on ppoem [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

== Dryden's Aeneis ==

I see that you moved the location of this work, but did not correct the name.  In the place you've transferred it to, the work is uniformly called ''Æeneis'', not ''Aeneid'', so all the pagenames and titles need to be corrected, as well as the internal titles and pagelinks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 13:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

:Not paying sufficient attention. I will fix it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== One disambiguation page per page title ==

Hi. Where an author writes multiple works of the same name, all those titles belong on the general disambiguation page for the page title, rather than split off to a separate author related disambig page. The basic theory is that Wikidata allows one disambiguation page per title, and overtly if the works are different then it becomes irrelevant that they are by the same author. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:Along those same lines, we only enter '''one''' of either {{tl|similar}} or {{tl|versions}} to a page, never two, or one of each. Similarly on a disambiguation page itself, we would not use the template similar, we have been using a &quot;see also&quot; section. A versions page can use the template similar. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
::OK, noted. I was following other instances I'd seen of using both similar and versions, etc. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Hi. I am asking, not criticising. I understand how it comes about about, and often with these hatnotes typically the more becomes the standard when people do replicate others. I am simply trying to gently educate with a little background. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:04, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi. I wasn't taking offence, just acknowledging your point and offering an explanation of why I'd been using both templates in cases when both are valid. Although there's a lot of 'help' documentation on the site, I sometimes find it difficult to find answers to specific questions, so tend to follow what I see others doing, with the attendant risk of copying things that aren't correct. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

== Move rather than convert &quot;version&quot; pages to &quot;disambiguation&quot; pages ==

Hi. Would you please check the wikidata link prior to acting with something like [[special:diff/13139123|this change]]. The previous addition of the additional was wrong and there should have been the removal/revert of that previous addition, then a move of the &quot;versions&quot; page.

What has happened is that we ended up with the the wikidata item being incorrectly assigned. If we had moved then the processes at Wikidata will have automatically update the item. Then the newly created redirect will be able to be converted to a disambiguation page and all is then fine.  I have fixed up the items (imperfectly). Also when we move things, it should be a reminder to check for the underlying incoming links and update those as required to point to the right place(s).

There are a number of scripts that can be switched on to see some of the background data, if interested, though they do add a bit of noise to the tops of pages. For me as an editor, the additional noise is worth it. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 02:01, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

== [[An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals]] ==

I stumbled across this text (excellent work as always, btw!) and noticed the notes regarding the errata etc. I think—and I stress that this is just my opinion—that any &quot;self reference&quot; to Wikisource and how it is made, in this case mentioning the specific templates used, is information for other Wikisource contributors and should go on the talk page. What we put in the notes field in the header should be for our readers, and should avoid all references to technical issues or other &quot;Inside Baseball&quot; stuff. I didn't want to just wade in there and change it, so I figured I'd drop a note on your talk to see if you agree instead. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:23, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. If it's in the wrong place feel free to do the necessary. I'm not very familiar with the culture of Wikisource so am not really up with 'how things are done round here'. Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:00, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[Special:Diff/13193218|This]] would be my suggestion. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:06, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
:I quite like the 'Errata' template, but there are other places it doesn't really work, including 'ppoem' (although I think I recall using it successfully inside &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;poem&gt;&lt;/poem&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:05, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::I'm not that enthusiastic about it. It veers too far into [[Wikisource:Annotations|annotation]] territory to my liking. For most works I would argue that we should reproduce as printed, without incorporating errata. I'd be hard pressed to come up with an example of a text where I would support incorporating them, and I would in any case argue that {{tl|errata}} is the wrong way to do so. But I'll spare you that rant; it's an issue that would need a discussion on [[WS:S]] to settle in any case. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 08:13, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

== no requirement for all front matter ==

Hi. We can be judicious in our selection of pages, and the use of the cover is not mandated. If you want to change the pages that I transclude or understand why I have done what I have done, then please ask. [I have plenty of experience in this area]  If if if if you think that some front matter would do well being added, then often we can add a &quot;/front matter/&quot; page using the {{parameter|previous}} from the root page. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
:I can also note the light rule of primogeniture that we have here.  If someone has set a style/setup, where it is basically acceptable and within the guidance of the site, then please leave it to the person who introduced the work. Best not to rework someone else's efforts just as you have a different idea. Changing to things like {{tl|dhr}}, etc. is not the sort of thing encouraged just because you prefer it. Some of us don't want superfluous code filling our works. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:53, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
::Hi, I don't do it (i.e use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{dhr}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;) because I prefer it, I'm trying to comply as best I can with the requirements stated in the help and guidance. The last time I looked the guidance said spacing shouldn't be created by multiple carriage returns.
::I also thought the point was to create complete versions of works, rather than to leave out odd bits (like covers or graphics). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
::I also note you seem to suffer from the common tendency to over-inflate the font size of title and chapter headings. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:15, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
== [[The Complete Poems of Emily Brontë/Unpublished Poems]] ==

When you changed the transclusion for this, it broke all of the redirection references. Please fix this. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:Don't know how I missed this, having done the ones for the other sections. All invalid links to 'Unpublished poems' have been fixed. The remaining ones are valid. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:29, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

== The Souls of Black Folk ==

Please do not change someone's formatting to a completely different style of formatting without first asking them.  In ''The Souls of Black Folk'', each chapter starts with a poem, and some of these ''cannot'' use the {{tl|ppoem}} formatting because that template is not flexible enough to do so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Please also review what billinghurst said above: &quot;I can also note the light rule of primogeniture that we have here. If someone has set a style/setup, where it is basically acceptable and within the guidance of the site, then please leave it to the person who introduced the work. Best not to rework someone else's efforts just as you have a different idea.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:38, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

== Request ==

* ''[[Low-Life (1750)|Low-Life]]'' (1750), written anonymously {{esl|1=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Low_Life_or_One_half_of_the_world_knows/HxpbAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&amp;gbpv=1}}

Seems like it would be up your alley. Any interest? [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 03:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

== A Changed Man ==

I notice that there are five pages from [[Page:A Changed Man (1913).pdf/430]] which are blank and are not linked from the index. Should they be linked ? If not, are they needed ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

:They are redundant and can be deleted. I created them before I realised that there were problems with the scan file. Fixing the file reduced the number of pages from 434 to 426. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:03, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
::OK. Will you propose them for deletion, or shall I ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I have marked them for deletion. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

== Double redirects ==

It seems that several recent page moves have created double redirects - [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 08:38, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

:Apologies. All the ones I caused are now fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

== [[Index:Diary of a Pilgrimage (1891).pdf]] ==

I believe that Xover has made the necessary changes to the pages. Can the note be removed from the index ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

:Done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:56, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

== Moves with subpages best undertaken by an admin ==

Hi. It is preferred that if there are multiple pages/subpages being moved for a work that they are undertaken by an admin.  You can request those moves at [[WS:AN]]. The reason that this is preferred is that we have the ready ability to move subpages at the same time, which allows a better control. It also allows us to move without redirects for subpages, as we have found that in many cases that redirects for subpages and their talk pages can be problematic for us. Thanks. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:13, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:OK [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:16, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

== Please consider archiving this talk page ==

Hi. This talk page is getting very long, and taking time to load.  We have [[User:Wikisource-bot]] available to do this easily. There are instructions on the page, and numbers of people utilise this to keep their talk pages to a manageable level. Thanks for the consideration. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 11:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:With algo = old(2000d), it will archive threads older than 5 years. Is it what you actually want or is a typo? [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 13:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

== Philosophical Transactions - Volume 012.djvu ==

There are four pages at the start, from [[Page:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 012.djvu/1]] to 4, which are blank and are showing on the orphaned pages as having to incoming links. Should those pages be linked from the index ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:Hi. I've not seen blank pages marked as 'empty' before. I changed the &lt;pagelist&gt; to the usual &quot;-&quot; so the pages will probably drop off the orphaned pages list. There aren't any links now according to the transclusion checking tool. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
::Cheers - that seems to have solved it. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

== [[Footsteps of Dr. Johnson (Scotland)]] ==

The transcluded copy has no table of contents, and no means to navigate from the primary page to any other part of the work. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Paracelsus ==

There are a number of pages from [[Page:Paracelsus (IA b29299731).pdf/235]] on that seem to be over scans. I will mark them for speedy delete as redundant. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:Another case where the transcription was started then problems were discovered with the file, correction of which resulted in a reduced number of pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 06:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

== [[The Music of the Spheres]] ==

Please be careful to add correct licensing.  1977 is not 100 years ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

:I know that. I use some default text then go back and adjust it, only you beat me to it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

== Versions clarified on author pages ==

I appreciate the sentiment to clarify the version on the author page. However, there's a reason that versions pages exist: to clear up that very type of doubt about which source you want to see the work in. I know here on Wikisource we don't tend to have a whole lot of works with more than one available version transcribed, but with most works multiple versions do exist (even if they're just reprints). So, if we were to imagine a scenario where all versions were elaborated on in both author pages and versions pages, we'd have author pages littered full of editions, which would clutter up the author pages. For example, imagine if we had [[Oliver Twist|all of this]] or [[The Scarlet Letter|all of this]] on author pages. This type of version clarification also would repeat the same long-form data across multiple pages (portal, author, etc.), and repetition should always be cut out of the workflow wherever possible. So that also isn't well aligned with the {{w|Don't repeat yourself|DRY}} principle.

So, while there's currently no versions pages for those works, there will be one day, and I'm trying to prepare for the inevitable time when that will happen, as well as I can. Just wanted to explain my logic in purposefully not clarifying what collection works are held in, except in versions pages. (And in this case, [[Critical Woodcuts/Introductory#xiv|Sherman did mention]] that &quot;the essays in this volume were ''all'' printed [in] the ''Herald Tribune''&quot; previously. So we know that at least one other version definitely exists of that specific essay.) [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 07:35, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
: Oh... It turns out [[Author:Charles John Huffam Dickens]]'s author page ''is'' littered with tons of editions. Well that's definitely not right, and it's not quite respecting the principles behind a versions page. So someone should clean that up (but not tonight for me). [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 07:42, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
::I suppose my approach is to transcribe works and only create versions pages (and redirects) if there's more than one version, rather than creating them in preparation for some eventuality that may not happen (is someone really going to transcribe multiple versions of Shakespeare's first folio, just because the front matter is differently ordered or incomplete, or there may be in-press corrections?){{pbr}}I've come across various author pages where there are multiple editions (mostly translations of Greek and Roman authors - see for example Plato and Aristotle. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:West African Studies.djvu|West African Studies]] ==

Hi Chrisguise,

Not exactly sure what you did, but it looks like you fixed West African Studies, so thanks. I would be curious to know a little more about how you managed this, if it is not too complicated. Also, can the progress be updated from &quot;create a pagelist&quot;, or is there still some issue?

Thanks again,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

:I can't claim to have done anything really. I looked to see if I could find a better scan of the work to try to get replacement pages but I just ended up back at IA. I did a search to see whether they had other scans of the same edition and found one which appeared to be complete (which turned out to be the case), and uploaded it in place of the original. {{pbr}} Although it's a bit time consuming I find that I have to spend time checking files before I upload them as so many of them are poor or incomplete.{{pbr}}Regarding your second question, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. I can only create the pagelist manually, and I'm not aware that the pagelist can be used to edit the image file.{{pbr}}I have some software to edit DJVU files but I've only managed to figure out how to delete pages. If I need to do anything more complicated I have to work with a PDF and then convert it to a DJVU. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

== Nop ==

{{tl|Nop}} is a brute-force template meant to force line breaks that don't normally show up in the transclusion. It doesn't have any effect unless there's a separate paragraph in the middle of prose, but on a second page, where the technology can't break it on its own. {{tl|c}} and most other templates on front matters are block elements, so they produce a line break by default. It also isn't needed at the end of a chapter because that's the end of the transcluded page, so there's nothing to force the transclusion to break from. Plus, even if it weren't, chapters almost universally start with headers, which also produce a line break by default.

I've been noticing you have been adding these all over front matters, and it is a minor problem in each page because it adds in lots of HTML to the transcluded texts that don't have any semantic meaning or utility. I have already heard certain editors' &quot;just in case the situation could change&quot; and &quot;it doesn't hurt anything&quot; arguments for having these on all pages except prose that continues, but I'm not convinced by those arguments, since because of the HTML buildup, and because it also takes contributor time to add it to thousands of pages where it doesn't have any effect. It doesn't sound like much, since it's only 7 characters to type, but every ''second'' in this sea of works we have to get transcribe is significant at least to me. I try to cut out every second possible from my workflow.

Since there's no policy or real guideline limiting the use of this template, I'd like to encourage or recommend that this not be done, especially to works I've proofread, to keep the HTML and wiki code clean and use-driven. But no one can enforce it, so it's more a recommendation on my part, mostly for faster proofreading/validation.

Thanks for validating in general though. The typo corrections made by validators will be used to improve my OCR correction and typo detection software in the future. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 14:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

== House at Pooh Corner ==

Hi!

It has been very nice to collaborate with you on the index for House at Pooh Corner. Thanks for getting so many of the images in! We are so close to being done, and I am really excited to have it complete for all to read.

This is the first big project I've worked on here on Wikisource, so it has been a very nice experience.

What about this book drew you to it? [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 15:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
: I'd speculate that Chrisguise was drawn to this book since it's a popular title released into the public domain this year. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] Thanks. I contributed mainly because it's a cherished childhood memory, and I also read it to my own children when they were younger. I also did work on ''[[Winnie-the-Pooh]]'' and ''[[Now We Are Six]]''.{{pbr}}I've done all I can on this. I can't validate the remaining pages at 'proofread' as I did the proofreading. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
::And I've validated the remaining pages! Thank you once again for the collaboration. Very glad we were able to get this out to people so quickly.
::Please let me know if you're interested in any other collaborations. I know I'm interested in transcribing the Oz books that came after L. Frank Baum. Maybe we can circle back to that someday. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 14:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

== You broke the transclusion ==

When you made [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_complete_poetical_works_of_Percy_Bysshe_Shelley%2C_including_materials_never_before_printed_in_any_edition_of_the_poems.djvu%2F726&amp;diff=13828689&amp;oldid=9260193 this edit] you broke the transclusion from this page.  Please repair it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Likewise with [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AThe_complete_poetical_works_of_Percy_Bysshe_Shelley%2C_including_materials_never_before_printed_in_any_edition_of_the_poems.djvu%2F727&amp;diff=13828737&amp;oldid=9259728 this edit] and possibly others. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

:Not sure what you're getting at. Transclusions of ''Homer's Hymn to Castor and Pollux'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Moon'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Sun'', ''Homer's Hymn to the Earth: Mother of All'', ''Homer's Hymn to Minerva'' and ''Homer's Hymn to Venus'' all look OK to me. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 17:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
:: And the translation of Euripides' ''Cyclops''? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
::: To fix the issue, you'll need to restore the section labelling you removed / changed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:20, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

== help transcribing? ==

Hello!
I am interested in transcribing [[Index:The Royal Book of Oz.djvu|The Royal Book of Oz]]. Would you be interested in helping me? I'm not great at the formatting, but I could transcribe the raw text as needed, add images, and validate pages. If this is of interest then please let me know. I don't really have any set deadline for doing it by, but rather just curious if someone would be able to help at all. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 02:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm happy to lend a hand. However, I'm generally working on 20 to 30 works at any given time so I won't be solely devoting my efforts to yours. I tend to flit about, so some things I do quickly, while others take much longer (e.g. of my last two additions to the Wikisource main page, ''[[Ode Occasion'd by the Death of Mr. Thomson]]'' took less than an hour to complete (v. short work) and ''[[Joan of Arc (Southey)|Joan of Arc]]'' took 3.5 years (I was only really interested in the part of it that was written by [[author:Samuel Taylor Coleridge|Samuel Taylor Coleridge]]). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:38, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:I've had a look at the work and it seems to be in an odd state. All of the chapters are there (see links from Table of Contents). The first 8 or 9 chapters are transcluded from transcribed pages, a number of others have a MATCH link at the top [I've not previously seen this, but if you click it, it should automatically generate and populate the pages for that chapter]. The final chapters don't seem to have this link but do contain the text of the complete chapter. This can be cut and pasted manually into the relevant pages (or you could get whoever did the match and split for the earlier chapters to do it - never done it myself although I think I have the necessary privileges). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:I've contributed to some works where the individual page transcriptions have been generated by the 'match and split' gadgettry. They've mainly been derived from Gutenberg. In my experience, it's often not clear which edition of a work Gutenberg has used, and they're not averse to 'improving' works they transcribe (but do seem to record the changes they make). Also, the detection of the page breaks by the Match and Split software is a bit hit and miss. The practical upshot is that I've generally reverted to regenerating the OCR for each page (of the three options available the Google OCR is by far the best, but it seems to be partially blind to long dashes and some styles of quotation marks).{{pbr}}The other drawback with works generated by 'match and split' is that the pages have not generally had any header and/or footer content (not even empty templates). I don't know whether the software can't do this, or whether whoever has done the work didn't think to do it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:As an example of some of these points, take a look at [[Page:The Royal Book of Oz.djvu/110|book page 98]] (image 110) and use the 'view history' to compare my version with what was there originally. The differences in punctuation alone suggest a different source text. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
::Interesting. I'm not really certain as to what the &quot;match and split&quot; tech is. I'm still very new to Wikisource. Is there a page I can read on it?
::And thanks for whatever you can add. I got the book added to the monthly challenges, so it should hopefully get some more attention over the next few months.
::I also noticed you were transcribing ''[[:Index:The Mystery of the Blue Train.pdf|The Mystery of the Blue Train]]'', I started to validate the pages and found that I was really enjoying the story. So thanks for the transcription, and I'd be glad to validate future pages as you go along. This is the first of any Christie work I have read. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 23:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
:::If  you go to 'Help' in the menu at the LHS of the page, there's an item on there called 'match and split'. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== Redirects ==

Redirects on Versions pages, such as [[The Stranger (Bierce)]] are put there on purpose. Please do not replace them with a direct link to a copy inside a specific edition. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 07:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

== Author:Algernon Charles Swinburne ==

Hello. I am astonished by your work done on the publications by this author, hats off! Because of the amount of work you have done there I feel obliged to drop you a note that I have slightly standardized his author page by removing the colours and also the links to scans of works that were already proofread, to follow the current practice. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

:I just used the colour coding to keep track of where I'd got to with things, since I worked on multiple books at any one time, and not continuously. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 11:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[The Rhearsal]] ==

This should be [[The Rehearsal]], not [[The Rhearsal]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for letting me know. Problem fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier ==

When someone has established a style for a work, it is considered polite to follow that style, and rude to plow ahead with a completely different style without even asking.  While I appreciate your eagerness to help, what you've done to page vi of the Contents listing will actually make it ''harder'' for me to work on the Contents, because in addition to formatting them, I now must first remove the inappropriate formatting you put in.  When you make work more difficult for other people, it is not appreciated. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:I just think of it as doing the job properly with the tools provided. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 19:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
:: No, it wasn't.  The dotted templates are a coding nightmare, and the previous page did ''not'' use those templates.  I set up a Style page for the Contents, and was using it on the previous page.  You chose to ignore this and go your own way, and to say that your way is doing it &quot;properly&quot; (and mine wasn't) is both extremely rude and woefully ignorant of the conversations that we've been having about the problems that dotted templates cause. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
:::(1) It seems to me you made a conscious decision to just use a basic table for the ToC, which produces a visually poorer result than the specific ToC templates. Hence my comment, which may have been a bit brusque but I was brassed off, so sorry for that. Still am.
:::(2) Unless you have some automated way of generating tables from the very poor OCR, the amount of effort to produce the TOC either way appears to me to be much the same.
:::(3) I don't recall any comms between us about dotted templates and associated problems. 
:::(4) If there are problems with TOC templates, it begs the question why they aren't being fixed or the templates and associated guidance removed from service.
:::(5) I use the basic TOC templates because they are simple to use and, on the face of it, work. There seems to be another set of ever more complicated templates which are too tiresome to use, and for reasons which are not clear to me either do or don't produce functioning links depending where they're used (e.g. index, page, etc.) And you (and others) apparently want to do everything using CSS style sheets, which is presumably fine for the bunch of coders who look after the site, but it isn't very 'user oriented' for the non-coding numpty (i.e. me) who just wants basic tools to achieve a good quality result.
:::(6) There seems to be a few basic problems with templates. I was recently lectured on the use of 'nop', Despite its 'in principle' simple job of telling the system 'when transcluding this page, insert a line break before attaching the next one', in any number of circumstances it apparently generates 'too much HTML' (whatever that means). Rather than routinely applying a 'nop', I'm supposed to decide whether to use one depending on what's at the end of the page and whether it's a 'div' or a 'span' or it's a template with a built-in line break. Or I'm supposed to not use it at the end of chapters, or on front matter pages, although having seen the way some people transclude works, that doesn't seem wise. If this si such a problem perhaps a gadget is required to tell you that a 'nop' isn't needed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

== I made an awful mess with Wordsworth ==

Hello Chrisguise, 
Wikipedia has the correct information for the first publication of 'My Heart Leaps Up' and other works by Wordsworth (1807) but Wikisource did not. Wikisource was referring to a different, later Wordsworth publication of poems. In trying to correct the situation, I made an awful mess. I read everything suggested, and I am familiar with Billingshurst's guides and to be cautious. I spent hours on it, trying to fix it, then trying to repair the broken links I created.  I don't know how to repair my mess. 

Would you prefer if I just reverted everything I did? I'm glad to do that if it will make the situation easier to deal with. Please let me know here rather than on your talk page, if you wouldn't mind. I apologize for the mess! [[User:FeralOink|FeralOink]] ([[User talk:FeralOink|talk]]) 23:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:I've done a search for all your edits associated with the two editions of the work. My best guess is that reverting some of your changes would be the thing to do (but note the following). {{pbr}}
:You should note that there are already index pages for the 1807 edition at [[Index:Poems, in two volumes (IA poemsintwovolume01word).pdf]] and [[Index:Poems, in two volumes (IA poemsintwovolume00word).pdf]], which I uploaded in 2021 but haven't done much with since. I have appropriated some of the pages you created, rather than having to delete them, for the top level [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)]] and volume level [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)/Volume 1]] transclusions associated with these two index pages. I have also transcribed 'My heart leaps up' (see [[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)/Volume 2/'My heart leaps up when I behold']]), so if you want to link to it from Wikipedia you can. I've added it to the versions page at [[My Heart Leaps Up]].{{pbr}}
:I've reverted a couple of things to put the 1815 edition back together, at the top level, and reverted the changed links to 'My Heart Leaps Up'. I would suggest putting in a deletion request for the index page you created without an attached file (don't know how you've done that). {{pbr}}
:As far as I know, there isn't any problem with having a date of first publication in Wikipedia and a later edition in Wikisource, so long as it's noted. In the case of Wordsworth, most of the links are to Wikisource version pages anyway, which (should) clearly state the publication and date where each version is from. I personally strive to find a scan of the first edition of any work I upload - although it's not always possible.  Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 01:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:The Crowne of all Homers Workes - Chapman (1624).djvu/27]] ==

This page is showing as having a lint error in the italics. It is in the ref, but I can't read the original, so don't want to just guess what to change. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:58, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

:Hopefully fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
::Looks good. Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 00:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[The Iliad of Homer (Pope)/front matter]] ==

As the Editor's Note is now transcluded on the main page of this work, what should be done about the separate page - have it deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 19:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
: Yes, deleted. (And I'm also not convinced having these extra &quot;/front matter&quot; subpages, unless the front matter has a ''huge'' amount of extraneous content compared to normal, is a good idea in general...) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] I would probably have moved it to 'Editor's preface' and then added it as an extra item to the ToC. I prefer the main page to start with the title page or frontispiece (or as close as possible) and not have loads of content before getting to the ToC. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:00, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] - didn't you put that Editor's Note onto the main page with [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Iliad_of_Homer_(Pope)&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=13844060 this edit] ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 23:27, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] It would seem that I did - must be losing the plot. However, the principle still stands. Maybe it was because it was only one page.... [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::: If you feel that you need to recreate it for something else feel free, as long as no pages are transcluded twice. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] @[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] Not planning to. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

== smart quotes ==

If a work is being proofread using smart quotes, please be sure to use smart quotes in any page you mark as Proofread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

:Is this a general admonition or do you have something in mind? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 20:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
:: When you proofread front matter pages in ''The Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier'', you stripped out smart quotes.  All other pages of the work that have been proofread use smart quotes.  I do not know how many other works might be affected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::: There are lots of problems with smart quotes anyway, including the fact that many environments and keyboards (such as my own) don't support them, and the fact that they increase the margin of error significantly because there are more factors to consider when proofreading, for very little overall gain. To insist on using smart quotes because the rest of the work did would discourage future proofreaders, who refuse to use the things or can't, from participating. Last time I checked, English Wikipedia even disallows them outright in their titles for these reasons. The only exception to this rule I'd make is if we were preparing the Chicago Manual of Style or some similar work on grammar, where they may talk about the specifics of smart-quoting, but in just a regular work like a novel or anthology it's probably more practical to do away with them. We should just convert all the smart to non-smart in any work and have a general standard against their use, except in works where they're explicitly talked about in an academic context.
::: So, when non-smart is applied to a work that has smart, the smart should just be done away with. We need to decrease the barrier of entry here, and using smart quotes just increases that barrier. It makes it harder for everyone to get anything meaningful done. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 06:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] Apologies I'll fix them. I tend to habitually run 'Clean up OCR', which converts everything curly to straight. {{pbr}}I dislike the curly versions but I have a tool installed that converts all (well, almost) straight quotation marks to curly, which I have obviously omitted to run on this occasion (not the first time). The tool misses quotation marks that occur immediately after templates. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I appreciate engaged contributors with clear opinions, but on quote marks we've had the discussion and landed on a conclusion. I was personally very hesitant to change from requiring only straight quotes to permitting curly quotes, for many of the same reasons you list, but in practice it works just fine for most contributors. Provided, of course, that people pay attention to the standards applied for a given work. There is also established guidance that for large projects set up specifically for broad collaboration one should generally prefer straight quotes to reduce the overhead of coordinating consistent quotes. This really isn't very different from all other stylistic issues. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Does my above comment come across as all patronising and dismissive? I feel like maybe it does, so let me try to rephrase in a way that I don't look like a ''complete'' douche: {{tqi|but on quote marks we've &lt;ins&gt;actually&lt;/ins&gt; had &lt;ins&gt;a real [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-07#Revisiting curly quotes|community discussion]] followed by [[Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2019-09#RFC: Allow curly quotes under some conditions|an RFC]]&lt;/ins&gt; and landed on a conclusion &lt;ins&gt;that [[Special:Diff/9625037|addressed the policy aspect]], unlike a lot of other issues that just kind of evolved over time.&lt;/ins&gt;.|q=y}} EP below managed to convey the same thing without coming across an idiot, so I've got to ''mea culpa'' this one. Sorry. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: We had a lengthy community discussion (several actually) and decisively allow curly quotes now.  I held your opinion with regard to smart quotes (and still prefer straight quotes mostly), but since the community decided to allow smart quotes, and that allowance has been incorporated into policy, there is no point in discussing the superiority of one to the exclusion of the other.  Policy simply requires that one or the other be consistently applied in a work or series, and explicitly allows either on the project.  For the Yale Shakespeare series, we use straight quotes.  For ''The Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier'', the editors adding poetry chose to use smart quotes, so smart quotes are to be applied consistently per community agreement. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

== Elmer Gantry ==

I noticed you were working on this novel at [[Index:Elmer Gantry (1927).djvu]]. Do you mind if I take the project over? I'll want to start it tomorrow or the next day, and estimated completion time (Wikidata items, Commons images, transclusion inclusive) is 6 hours, or 1 day. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 23:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

:Feel free. I only did work on it because it was part of the monthly challenge. I originally thought I could steal the transcription at https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300851h.html but had to resort to generating the text for each page because there were the inevitable changes.{{pbr}}It seems somewhat ambitious to do the work at the rate of approximately a page a minute. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 23:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
::I don't know whether you plan to review the changes that your software has made to the overwritten pages, but a quick review of the emails I'm getting shows that, on the positive side, it has picked up minor errors (predominantly odd commas). On the downside, it seems to be breaking things such as:
::* Links, where the name of the work quoted isn't the same as the link
::* Removing formatting intended to prevent inappropriate line wrapping (such as in the middle of acronyms), or changing &lt;nowiki&gt;{{...}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; which doesn't wrap, to . . . , which I presume does.
::* Hyphenating words which aren't hyphenated in the text.
::* Centralising text when it is actually right aligned., etc. etc.
::[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 18:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
::: Well, I did ''proofread'' these pages just so you're aware, all of them, following along the same scan as on the Index page—I just did it externally from the ProofreadPage system with some power-user technology I developed (spending ''many months'' to craft by the way), because the ProofreadPage system as it exists now is ''very'' slow and not conducive to good fast work. This is part of a project I'm currently engaging in, to mentally clock all the things our proofreading system lacks, so that I can suggest/develop specific improvements to it in the future that would make proofreading a lot more worthwhile a task for the average editor.
::: All of the front matter, except the nops and the half-title, are copied verbatim from what was already there, but the rest was proofread from scratch.
:::# I went out of my way to paste in your links ''before'' I started proofreading so I'm sad to see that you're upset about this. I probably took a good 30 extra minutes to do this. I did change a few of them to point to ''work'' pages rather than ''version'' pages since I don't believe that Lewis was thinking of any version of the songs in particular. But if there are examples of links that are flat out ''incorrect'', feel free to let me know which those are and I'll change them, or change them during validation. 
:::# Point 2 about those specific formatting templates are your decision though I disagree with them personally (since they severely downgrade editing speed, which I consider a ''severely'' important factor), but I'll put those templates back to the pages you already proofread since they were your decisions and it is fair to feel bad that they were removed. But if you want them placed on pages that I proofread, I'll leave that up to you, I'm not willing to do this myself, since again I disagree with their implementation, for reasons I may one day write an essay about, as I've done with another issue. (Please don't make me have to write it today, let's just drop it...)
:::# If I missed hyphenations, just validate them away or I'll catch them later. Typos are normal proofreader mistakes.
:::# Update: Scratch what I said in the last revision about this point. I see you used {{tl|left margin}}, a template I've never heard of, and that actually looks like a great and working solution. I'll be applying this change across the project now.
:::# You say etc. etc. so maybe there's more to say. Please remember, if it wasn't already clear before, that the work is fully proofread now (as stated in the edit summaries of all the semiautomated changes) and no longer require the review necessary for just the ''proofread'' status, so if there are mistakes you can catch them in validation as well or they can be corrected in the future. Proofreading is not equivalent to absolute perfection, and all proofreaders make minor typos, just part of life. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:::: Okay, so I meticulously reviewed those pages you proofread before and they're back to what they were. I think next time I run into this situation what I'll do is just import the changes from the Index into my workspace, so that the changes I make are minimal next time. Your feedback is making me realize that there's really no better way. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

== Pericles ==

When you [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Pericles_(Shakespeare)&amp;curid=2679223&amp;diff=13991971&amp;oldid=13279958 repurpose existing pages], make sure to update the accompanying Wikidata item to reflect the change.  Right now, the Wikidata item is still for an unsourced copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

:I made some changes to the index page and added images to Commons, as part of which I picked up the oversight before seeing your message. I added OCLC number to index page but don't know where to put this in Wikidata. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:: There is an OCLC control number (bibliographic) identifier for OCLC links.  More importantly, I've added a link to the scan housed at Commons, and added the WD ID to the file on Commons, so that the two items are interconnected. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
:::OK, thanks. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 21:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Elizabeth Fry (Pitman 1884)/Adverts]] ==

Hello chrisguise, wondering if ''Freeman's Jonrnal'' in the article is a spelling mistake. Thank you so much for your time. [[User:Lotje|Lotje ツ]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 06:41, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. Its a printing error ('u' and 'n' being generally reversible as moveable type), rather than a typo on the part of a transcriber, hence the marking with &lt;nowiki&gt;{{SIC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks Chrisguise. :-) [[User:Lotje|Lotje ツ]] ([[User talk:Lotje|talk]]) 12:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

== Proofing EB1911 ==

Hi, Chrisguise, you are one of the few editors who have worked on EB1911 in the past that are still active. I was wondering if you'd consider doing more proofing work on EB1911.

I'm working through the EB1911 volumes and I'm currently working through vol. 20. I've found a useful technique to aid proofing by using [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ Earwig's '''Copyvio Detector'''] and the pages at theodora.com/encyclopedia. As an example, the link below compares a random page in EB1911 vol.&amp;nbsp;21 against the [https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/p2/pliocene.html &quot;Pliocene&quot; article at theodora.com/encyclopedia] :&lt;br&gt; 

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&amp;project=wikisource&amp;title=Page%3AEB1911+-+Volume+21.djvu%2F880&amp;oldid=&amp;use_engine=0&amp;use_links=0&amp;turnitin=0&amp;action=compare&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheodora.com%2Fencyclopedia%2Fp2%2Fpliocene.html

It picks up several typo errors in the EB1911 page. Further proofing is still needed, of course, but it's a great help to use the generally very good quality text at theodora.com/encyclopedia (although the numbers often have errors).

Any questions? Let me know. Hope you can do some further proofing in EB1911 with the above technique to help, maybe starting from volume 21? regards, [[User:DivermanAU|DivermanAU]] ([[User talk:DivermanAU|talk]]) 21:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[A treasury of war poetry, British and American poems of the world war, 1914-1919/The North Sea]] ==

Hello. You have asked the page to be speedied with the rationale &quot;Just created, with incorrect title, no links&quot;. Unfortunately, a largely used redirect is still linked to the page. Can you fix it, please? -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 09:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

:Apologies - now sorted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
::No problem, thanks. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== Versions pages ==

It looks like your process for adding the version header is inserting a spurious pipe, making the pages show up in [[:Category:Headers with numerical arguments]]. Not a big deal, but I wanted to give you a heads-up. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, I thought I'd fixed that. I'll look at it again. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 22:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== [[Rondeau (West)]] ==

Why did you revert me on this without explanation? There is a source on the talk page, so No Source is not an appropriate template.--05:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC) [[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 05:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

:Hi. I tend to take a stronger line on works without a scan than others do here (hence adding of &lt;nowiki&gt;{{no source}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;). However, technically the reference information provided puts the page within the letter of the law (as stated in the template anyway), so I've undone my edit. To strengthen the case, as it were, I have amended the information provided to link to a copy of the bibliography on IA. I've also corrected the publication date quoted. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

== Ae Fond Kiss (speedy) ==

Hi, with the length of time that unsourced version has been hosted here, I suggest it would be better to convert it to a (soft) redirect as it is likely to have external links into it. I'd do it, but I should be in bed. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 09:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

:OK, thanks. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu]] and [[Index:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu]] ==

I think that something went wrong at some point and there are several blank pages not linked from the index - from [[Page:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu/239]] to [[Page:The Poetical Works of William Collins (1830).djvu/244]] - can they be put for speedy delete ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hi there. All of the pages you mention can be deleted. They are the result of corrections made to the scan files. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 16:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::OK - noted. Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Also [[Page:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu/705]] and [[Page:Mathematical collections and translations, in two tomes - Salusbury (1661).djvu/706]] --

== The works of Anna Laetitia Barbauld volume 1.djvu ==

Hi thanks for the validation. but i see you are changing the left justified to centered poetry. [[Page:The works of Anna Laetitia Barbauld volume 1.djvu/200]]. not sure it is worth the trouble. --[[User:Slowking4|Slowking4]] ‽ &lt;span style=&quot;font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia&quot;&gt;[[User_talk:Slowking4|''digitaleffie's ghost'']]&lt;/span&gt; 22:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:Hello. I don't know what device you use when editing, but on a 17&quot; laptop, centred titles and left block main body looks ridiculous. Hence, I've been changing it as I've been transcluding/validating. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Sonnet ('Degenerate Douglas! oh, the unworthy Lord!']] ==

Hello again. I see that you created this (without a closing ) at the end) then [[Sonnet ('Degenerate Douglas! oh, the unworthy Lord!')]]. I assume that the former can be deleted. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, I forgot to mark it with 'sdelete', which I've now done. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== asc vs. sc ==

Hi @[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]],

More a curiosity than anything, but why convert asc to sc with the post-drop-initial letters in [[Index:All Quiet on the Western Front.pdf]]? Do they not appear the same? Or is this related to something else (e.g. e-readers, or copy-pasting text)? I would have perhaps naively thought both asc and sc treat lower case symbols in the same fashion. Again, just curious, and thanks for helping with the transclusion, among all your other work on Wikisource.

Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. As you say, the two things produce the same result. I think in some cases &lt;nowiki&gt;{{asc}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; was applied to an upper case letter rather than a lower case one.{{pbr}} I suppose I have made the changes because, based on the help pages of various templates, I've formed the impression that the preferred thing to do is to transcribe the text as if it were unadorned English and then apply formatting. So, for example, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{initial}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; produces:{{pbr}}
:{{initial|W|hereas}} from &lt;nowiki&gt;{{initial|W|hereas}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:Or in older texts, where you might get: {{pbr}}
:{{di|W}}Heras, it is better to use &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}{{uc|h}}eras&lt;/nowiki&gt; rather than &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}Heras&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:I can't say that I'm very consistent with this. For a long time I took the view that if whoever produced the book used capitals, that's what they intended and so I'll just type what I see. After all, it's not as if the software can't distinguish 'A' from 'a', so it doesn't need to be told it's &lt;nowiki&gt;{{uc|a}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;. However, if it's the case that someone wants just the basic text, shorn of all adornment, applying, for example, &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|I}}{{sc|t}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would reduce back to 'It', whereas &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|I}}{{asc|T}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; would yield 'IT'. Or &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}Heras&lt;/nowiki&gt;, would give 'WHereas' (which would look decidedly odd) rather than 'Whereas' from &lt;nowiki&gt;{{di|W}}{{uc|h}}ereas&lt;/nowiki&gt;.{{pbr}}
:I don't do this level of formatting for things like title pages, chapter headings or text IN CAPITALS FOR EMPHASIS, etc. If the text is in capitals, it's in capitals (e.g. CHAPTER not &lt;nowiki&gt;{{uc|Chapter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; or &lt;nowiki&gt;C{{uc|hapter}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;.
:I have seen comments that suggest that the 'preferred' way is better for conversion to e-book or e-reader formats. I have a notion that I once saw someone give another reason why the preferred option is better, but I can't remember the details. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::It might be worth creating an essay with examples about this issue.  I think it would help a lot of new editors. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:I noticed that you changed from straight quotes to curly ones on some pages I proofread. Is that the style to be adopted? [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 10:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]],
::Thanks for the explanation. I agree that unadorned English with formatting certainly looks better in your WHereas example, and so I can see why making the input to either sc or asc lower case for all chapter headings makes sense. I also had a &quot;notion&quot; that I had once read a reason why the preferred way is better, but also could not remember details.
::As for the quotation marks, I did start proofreading with curly quotes, so I have been adjusting a few of your pages. I realise this is unlike me, as I usually consider straight quotes sufficient, but given that it is a slightly higher profile work, that the OCR gave at least half-curly quotes by default and finally that TE(æ)A,ea. uploaded the text (who is a curly quote fan), I figured I would use curly quotes for a change. I plan to read through and validate the last two chapters (I had never read All Quiet on the Western Front until now), so I will adjust any stragglers.
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 22:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

== Orphan categories ==

Hi, these categories you created are lost in the tree as they don't have parents. Can you please review them and determine the best spot?
* [[:Category:Ernest Howard Shepard]]
* [[:Category:The House at Pooh Corner (1961)]]
Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:I've had a go. Neither solution seems ideal, but the one for Shepard is probably the better of the two. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

[https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Requiem&amp;diff=14855852&amp;oldid=14854478 Ummm....] Where in ''Caroling Dusk'' is there a poem called &quot;Requiem&quot; by Countee Cullen? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:Fair point - obviously looked at editor rather than contributor. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 09:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

== Virgil's Pastorals, Georgics and Aeneis - Dryden (1709) ==

Thanks for working on this.  It has long been needed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf]] ==

When you amended the pagelist, that left [[Page:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf/129]] and
[[Page:Cyrus Caswell Johnson - Pools of Glass (1924).pdf/130]] as unlinked - I assume that these can go for speedy delete. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I fixed the scan file, which had two duplicate pages, which would have stranded these two pages. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:33, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

== Scottish chapbooks ==

I noticed that you have been working on some Scottish chapbooks. I wondered if you had views on either [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Three_famous_new_songs_(2).pdf]] or [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Two_songs_(3).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(4).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(5).pdf,_Index:Two_songs_(6).pdf]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I fell into doing work on the Scottish chapbooks when one popped up as a 'random transcription' some years ago. Many of those I come across are within easy striking distance of completion, although the quality of the transcription/formatting work varies a lot.{{pbr}}According to the project page, the National Library of Scotland chapbook collection was uploaded, in part, as a means to improve the OCR of their library of scans, so presumably on completion the text then gets exported back to them. If this remains the case, then deleting these variants doesn't fit with the original project aim. However, I don't know if the project is still 'active' from their point of view.{{pbr}}The NLS project page mentions that their collection has in excess of 3,000 items (with the implication that they uploaded them all(?)). However, I've never come across any progress stats for the project, so have no view of how far there is to go. I've not kept a personal record but I've pushed many to 'Done' and have left more with only the title page remaining to validate (having moved it to 'proofread' from 'problematic' by adding (along with @[[User:Sp1nd01|Sp1nd01]]) the image that is generally wanting). I've also created/updated a lot of versions pages, and tried to better corral the images on Commons. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:39, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
:I thought I saw a comment somewhere else about the naming of chapbooks. I don't bother requesting the renaming of indexes (since my experience of getting stuff moved around is incredibly variable, ranging from it being done in a few minutes to having to wait months) but for the transclusion I have landed on a naming convention of ''Title of work (year, city)'', which generally provides enough discrimination. My route to this has been meandering so, if you were to look, you would find other ways I've done it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 07:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

== Shakespeare anchors ==

For adding anchors [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Henry_IV_Part_1_(1917)_Yale.djvu/33&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14990768 like this], would it not make more sense to label the anchor using features of the ''target'' text, rather than the ''outside'' source?  For example, using the anchor label &quot;HenIV1Iiii190&quot;, so that the same anchor can be meaningfully used by multiple works? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

== Removing years from disambiguation pages ==

For example [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Bill&amp;diff=next&amp;oldid=15023326 here]—why? If there was a different year to use (such as if the short story appeared earlier than 1924, and you have evidence of that), why not use a different year? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 00:16, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Charles Dickens (1898) ==

I have no particular interest one way or the other, but if you do believe [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Index%3ACharles_Dickens_%28a_Critical_Study%29_by_George_Gissing%2C_1898.djvu&amp;diff=15106092&amp;oldid=15085673 the base page] should be changed, please make sure it is changed everywhere. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== Removing blank pages from transclusion ==

Regarding your recent action regarding [[The Captive Ladie]] and its subpages, is this the official policy agreed upon by the community? This offers no advantage that I can see, but diminishes the transclusion percentage of scans for the site. Compare with other sites: [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/fr/alltime French] - 99.96%, [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/bn/alltime Bengali] - 100.01%, [https://wsstats.toolforge.org/stats/en/alltime English] - 67.67%. [[User:Hrishikes|Hrishikes]] ([[User talk:Hrishikes|talk]]) 14:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi. I've no idea whether there is a policy on it, but the vast majority of transcriptions I see, and all the ones I've done do not transclude blank pages. Transcluding nothing seems a rather pointless activity, and I don't know why anyone would consider including blank pages in the percentages you quote. I believe that the low percentage on English Wikisource is due to the very large number of works on here that do not have scan backing (e.g. texts ripped from Gutenberg or poetry websites). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 15:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: +1 to Chrisguise; yes, it is standard practice; and {{tl|PR_PERCENT}} anyhow counts {{tl|PR_TEXTS}}/{{tl|ALL_TEXTS}}, both counting mainspace pages (excluding a few things like dab and so on), not transcluding a Page: namespace page changes nothing to that number.
: Looking at the charts, our problem is probably that we were too slow to adapt to PRP. Most of our additions continued to be non-transcluded stuff until roughly 2011, and we haven't done a major drive to remove them since; whereas FRWS started actively reducing the count of them in about 2009.
: Also, as we're larger, we've got more stuff to clean up (by the time people started using PRP more, we had 201k of them; whereas FRWS had 41k of them.
: Then we also have the issue of various bot-assisted dumps that were (according to me) a terrible idea. Thinking notably of [[User:BenchBot]] that mass-created about 50k court cases (which still constitute '''more than half''' of our transclusionless pages) from other websites.
: And in general, we've had quite a lot of copypaste dumping of recent texts just because they're PD and low-hanging fruit (is already available as text on the web) that leaves me dubitative. What's the purpose of putting random webpages into a library? archive.org does that job better. Meanwhile, I think that there's no consensus to delete them, and actually proofreading all of them would be a surhuman effort, so... — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Alchemist (Jonson)/Glossary]] ==

I moved this page to match the other pages which were moved recently - I hope that was right. (I see that it was moved a few years ago then moved back. I assume that circumstances have changed.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

== NLS Chapbooks ==

Hi, I want to acknowledge the work that you've been quietly doing on these for the past couple of years. The NLS had the (mad) idea that they would get all of them scanned, proofread and validated during the COVID lockdowns in 2020. It was supposed to be a useful task that their staff could do remotely. With a variable quality of scan quality, proofreading, naming conventions, and many duplicates, the work that you have been doing to move some of them through to validated and transcluded is nothing short of superb. It's only in the past few days while trying to sort out the mess from March's Lua error in the Indexes that I realised the extent of what you've been doing. Thank you, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:32, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks, it's always nice to be acknowledged. The efforts of @[[User:Sp1nd01|Sp1nd01]] on the images also need to be recognised.{{pbr}}I originally chanced upon the NLS chapbooks through the 'random transcription' link on the main page. At the time, they seemed to offer the possibility of 'quick wins' for getting works to completion (fully validated and transcluded). Unfortunately, as you point out, the variable quality of the scans (or, more often, printing), proofreading, naming conventions, etc. (not forgetting lack of formatting) means that the wins haven't always been as quick as one might have liked. Regards [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 08:59, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 6/The Sad Shepherd]] ==

The contents list an Act III, Scene iii which is a red link.  Was something not linked to, or is the Contents table in error? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise#top|talk]]) 05:44, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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&lt;noinclude&gt;Welcome to my user page.

I started doing transcription on FreeBMD.org (which I still do) and FreeCen.org. From there I tried my hand at various projects on Zooniverse (weather records, 1961 census data, but mostly - and most enjoyably - the Newdigate papers as part of the 'Shakespeare's World' project). I then fell into doing stuff on Wikisource.

My approach hasn't been very structured, and I tend to have many things on the go at any given time, which I flit between like a demented butterfly. I occasionally get things wrong but there seem to be a lot of people out there waiting to pounce when I do, so these things get straightened out.

I've also done quite a lot in terms of creating new Author pages and Versions pages, or adding to existing ones. I generally use the Internet Archive site to find links for works and most of the books I've added have been chance encounters while doing so. 

My transcribing activities have ranged across the centuries, but if anything I have a bit of a bias toward stuff from the Restoration period through to the late 18th century.

The lists below only include those works where I've made a significant contribution. I've not kept a record where I've only contributed a few pages. Similarly, I've done a lot of work to fix many of the National Library of Scotland chapbooks but I've not listed these either. 

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The following sections are each in approximately chronological order of completion.

===Complete productions (upload, creation of Index and complete proofread or validation)===
====Non-fiction====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Micrographia]] (1665), by Robert Hooke
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Short View of the Frauds and Abuses committed by Apothecaries]] (1670), by Christopher Merrett
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A practical method as used for the cure of the plague in London in 1665]] (1722), by Charles Scarborough
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Dissertation on Reading the Classics and Forming a Just Style]] (1713), by Henry Felton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay of Dramatic Poesy]] (1896), by John Dryden
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Reformed Librarie-Keeper]] (1906 [1650]), by John Dury
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[News from France]] (1906, 1st English publication), by Gabriel Naudé
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Brief Outline of the History of Libraries]] (1907 [1607]), by Justus Lipsius
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Life of Sir Thomas Bodley written by himself]] (1907), by Thomas Bodley
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Two Tracts on the Founding and Maintaining of Parochial Libraries in Scotland]] (1906), by James Kirkwood
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Duties and Qualifications of a Librarian (1780)]] (1906 [1780]), by Jean Baptiste Cotton des Houssayes
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Love of Books: the Philobiblon of Richard de Bury]] (1903, [1st English edition 1598]), by Richard de Bury 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Recollections of Dante Gabriel Rossetti and his Circle]] (1904), by Henry Treffyn Dunn
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Factory Controversy; a warning against meddling legislation]] (1855), by Harriet Martineau
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fumifugium: or, the Inconveniencie of the Aer and Smoake of London]] (1661), by John Evelyn
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Plan of a Dictionary of the English Language]] (1747), by Samuel Johnson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hints towards the formation of a more comprehensive theory of life]] (1848), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Danger of Mercenary Parliaments]] (1698), by John Toland
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Appeal to England against the Execution of the Condemned Fenians]] (1867), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Notes on Poems and Reviews]] (1866), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Doctrine and Discipline of Divorce]] (1644), by John Milton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Kendal and Windermere Railway: two letters re-printed from the Morning Post]] (1845), by William Wordsworth
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Protest against the Extension of Railways in the Lake District]] (1876), by Robert Somervell
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Manchester and Thirlmere Scheme: an appeal to the public on the facts of the case]] (1876), by Robert Somervell
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Note on Charlotte Brontë]] (1877), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Matthew Arnold (Harrison)|Matthew Arnold]] (1896), by Frederic Harrison
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Note of an English Republican on the Muscovite Crusade]] (1876), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[George Chapman, a critical essay]] (1875), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Study of Shakespeare]] (1880), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Study of Ben Jonson]] (1889), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Three Men in a Boat (1889)|Three Men in a Boat (to Say Nothing of the Dog)]] (1889), by Jerome Klapka Jerome
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Life of Mr. Richard Savage]] (1727), by Charles Beckingham
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Journey to the Western Islands of Scotland]] (1775), by Samuel Johnson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Fleshly School of Poetry and Other Phenomena of the Day]] (1782), by Robert Williams Buchanan
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Woman's Estimate of Walt Whitman ]] (1780), by Anne Gilchrist
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Study of Victor Hugo]] (1886), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[On the Difficulty of Correct Description of Books]] (1902), by Augustus de Morgan
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Conciones Ad Populum. Or, Addresses to the People]] (1795), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Plot Discovered; Or, an Address to the People, Against Ministerial Treason]] (1795), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Moral and Political Lecture delivered at Bristol]] (1795), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Reflections upon Ancient and Modern Learning]] (1694), by William Wotton (''didn't do the upload, but transcribed and transcluded everything'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Description of New England]] (1616), by John Smith (1580-1631)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lectures on Ten British Physicists of the Nineteenth Century]] (1919), by Alexander Macfarlane
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The English Humourists of the Eighteenth Century]] (1853), by William Makepeace Thackeray
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on a Registry, for Titles of Lands]] (1696), by John Asgill
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tennyson (Irving)|Tennyson]] (1873), by Walter Irving
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Letter to Adam Smith LL.D. on the Life, Death, and Philosophy of his friend David Hume Esq.]] (1777), by Anonymous
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essays, Moral and Political]] (1741), by David Hume (1711-1776)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essays and Studies (Swinburne)|Essays and Studies]] (1875), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Enquiry into the Present State of Polite Learning in Europe]] (1759), by Oliver Goldsmith
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The History of the Royal Society of London]] (1734), by Thomas Sprat (''everything apart from a few images''}
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essay on the Principles of Translation (Tytler)|Essay on the Principles of Translation]] (1791), by Alexander Fraser Tytler
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Life of Sir Thomas More]] (1822), by William Roper
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Discovery of New Worlds]] (1688), by Bernard le Bovier de Fontenelle, translated by Aphra Behn

====Plays====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Tragicall History of the Life and Death of Doctor Faustus]] (1628), by Christopher Marlowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The First Part of the True and Honorable Historie of the Life of Sir John Oldcastle]] (1600), by Michael Drayton, Richard Hathwaye, Anthony Munday and Robert Wilson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Lamentable and True Tragedie of M. Arden of Feversham in Kent]] (1592), by Anonymous
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Yorkshire Tragedy]] (1619), by Anonymous
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rehearsal]] (1672), by George Villiers
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Wallenstein]] (1800), by Johann Christoph Friedrich von Schiller, translated by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Cutter of Coleman-street]] (1663), by Abraham Cowley
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tamerlane (Rowe)|Tamerlane. A Tragedy]] (1702), by Nicholas Rowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 6/The Sad Shepherd|The Sad Shepherd]] (1819), by Ben Jonson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Ambitious Step-mother]] (1701), by Nicholas Rowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Douglas (Home, 1757)|Douglas: A Tragedy]] (1757), by John Home

====Novels====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[What Katy Did]] (1873), by Sarah Chauncey Woolsey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[What Katy Did at School]] (1876), by Sarah Chauncey Woolsey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Cottagers of Glenburnie]] (1808), by Elizabeth Hamilton (1756-1816)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[In Maremma]] (1882, 3 vols.), by Marie Louise de la Ramée
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The New-Year's Bargain]] (1884), by Sarah Chauncey Woolsey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Political Romance]] (1759), by Laurence Sterne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lieut. Gullivar Jones: His Vacation]] (1905), by Edwin Lester Arnold (''Didn't do the original upload, but did everything else'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Headlong Hall]] (1816), by Thomas Love Peacock
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Were-wolf]] (1896), by Clemence Annie Housman
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Mortover Grange Affair]] (1927), by Joseph Smith Fletcher (''Didn't do the original upload, but did everything else'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Crotchet Castle]] (1831), by Thomas Love Peacock
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Necromancer (Kahlert)|The Necromancer]] (1794), by Karl Friedrich Kahlert (''Didn't do the original upload, but did everything else'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Across the Zodiac: the Story of a Wrecked Record]] (1880), by Percy Greg (''Everything except transcription of one chapter, which I validated'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Trip to the Moon]] (1728), by Murtagh McDermot (''Everything apart from initial upload and 3 pages of proofreading, which I validated'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman]] (1759-1767), by Laurence Sterne (''everything in Volumes 1 to 8, apart from initial upload, about half of Vol. 9'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Tale of Rosamund Gray and Old Blind Margaret]] (1798), by Charles Lamb
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Talleyrand Maxim]] (1920), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Scarhaven Keep]] (1922), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Monk: a Romance]] (1796), by Matthew Gregory Lewis
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Chestermarke Instinct]] (1921), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Bartenstein Case]] (1913), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[On the Stage—and Off]] (1885), by Jerome Klapka Jerome
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rayner-Slade Amalgamation]] (1922), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Black House in Harley Street]] (1928), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Borough Treasurer]] (1921), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Mr. Spivey's Clerk]] (1890), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Dead Men's Money]] (1920), by Joseph Smith Fletcher

====Short stories====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Under the Deodars]] (1890), by Rudyard Kipling
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Quartette]] (1885), by Rudyard Kipling, John Lockwood Kipling, Alice MacDonald Kipling and Alice MacDonald Fleming
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Catalogue of Curious but Prohibited Books]] (1742), by Anonymous (''everything but the initial upload'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Celestial Omnibus and Other Stories]] (1912), by Edward Morgan Forster
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tales from a Rolltop Desk]] (1921), by Christopher Morley (''more or less everything but the initial upload and images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Malvina of Brittany]] (1916), by Jerome Klapka Jerome

====Poetry====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Art of Preserving Health - A Poem in Four Books]] (1744), by John Armstrong
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Rootabaga Pigeons]] (1923), by Carl Sandburgh
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Three Poems upon the death of the late Usurper Oliver Cromwell (1682)]] (1682)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Coopers-Hill]] (1709), by John Denham
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Blenheim, a Poem]] (1705), by John Philips
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Pleasures of Memory (Rogers)|The Pleasures of Memory]] (1873), by Samuel Rogers
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Pennyles Pilgrimage]] (1610), by John Taylor
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Cyder. A poem]] (1708), by John Philips
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Splendid Shilling: An Imitation of Milton]] (1719), by John Philips
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Vanity of Human Wishes]] (1749), by Samuel Johnson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Comus and other poems]] (1906), by John Milton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Trivia, or the Art of Walking the Streets of London to which is added Dr. Johnson's London]] (1809), by John Gay and Samuel Johnson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fears in Solitude (Coleridge)|Fears in Solitude]] (1798), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge (this also migrated ''Frost at Midnight, France: An Ode'' and ''Fears in Solitude'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Village (Crabbe)|The Village]] (1783), by George Crabbe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ode on the Departing Year - Coleridge (1796)|Ode on the Departing Year]] (1796), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sibylline Leaves (Coleridge)|Sibylline Leaves]] (1817), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Ode to the Country Gentlemen of England - Akenside (1758)|An Ode to the Country Gentlemen of England]] (1758), by Mark Akenside
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Ode to the Right Honourable the Earl of Huntingdon (Akenside)|An Ode to the Right Honourable the Earl of Huntingdon]] (1748), by Mark Akenside
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Poem on the Present Assembling of the Parliament, March the 6th, 1678]] (1679), by Edmund Waller
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Epistle to Curio]] (1744), by Mark Akenside
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Pleasures of Imagination (Akenside, 1744)|The Pleasures of Imagination]] (1744), by Mark Akenside
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Odes on Several Subjects (Akenside)|Odes on Several Subjects]] (1745), by Mark Akenside
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Christabel; Kubla Khan; The Pains of Sleep (1816)]] (1816), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on Poetry (Sheffield)|An Essay on Poetry]] (1709), by John Sheffield
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems on Various Subjects (Coleridge)|Poems on Various Subjects]] (1796), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ambarvalia]] (1849), by Arthur Hugh Clough and Thomas Burbidge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Faction Display'd]] (1705), by William Shippen
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[High tide on the coast of Lincolnshire]] (1892), by Jean Ingelow
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Two Poems - E B Browning and R Browning|Two poems]] (1854), by Elizabeth Barrett Browning and Robert Browning
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The City of Dreadful Night and other poems]] (1880), by James Thomson ('B.V.')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Temple of Fame: A Vision]] (1715), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Songs before Sunrise (Swinburne)|Songs before Sunrise]] (1871), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems and Ballads (Swinburne)|Poems and Ballads]] (1866), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Heptalogia (Swinburne)|The Heptalogia]] (1880), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Songs of the Springtides]] (1880), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tristram of Lyonesse and Other Poems]] (1882), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Songs of Two Nations]] (1875), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Tale of Balen]] (1896), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Satyr Against Hypocrites]] (1655), by John Phillips (1631-1706)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Wine (Gay)|Wine: a poem]] (1705), by John Gay
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Dispensary (7th ed)|The Dispensary]] (1714), by Samuel Garth
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lutrin]] (1708), by Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux, translated by John Ozell
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Channel Passage and Other Poems]] (1904), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Midsummer Holiday and Other Poems]] (1884), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Tennyson, 1843)/Volume 1|Poems (volume 1 of 2)]] (1843), by Alfred Tennyson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Tennyson, 1843)/Volume 2|Poems (volume 2 of 2)]] (1843), by Alfred Tennyson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems and Ballads (third series)]] (1889), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hero and Leander, a poem by Musaeus]] (1750), by Musaeus Grammaticus
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hero and Leander (Greene)|Hero and Leander]] (1773), by Musaeus Grammaticus
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Andromeda, and Other Poems]] (1858), by Charles Kinglsey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Fall of Robespierre. An Historic Drama]] (1794), by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Campaign: a Poem to His Grace the Duke of Marlborough]] (1710), by Joseph Addison
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Princess; a medley]] (1847), by Alfred Tennyson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Scotish Descriptive Poems]] (1803), by John Leyden
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Amyntas of Tasso]] (1770), by Torquato Tasso, translated by Percival Stockdale
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Art of Dress: a Poem]] (1717), by John Durant Breval
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Petticoat: an Heroi-comical Poem]] (1716), by John Durant Breval
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Key to the Lock. Or, A Treatise Proving, Beyond All Contradiction, the Dangerous Tendency of a Late Poem, Entituled, The Rape of the Lock, to Government and Religion]] (1714), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Shepherd's Week]] (1728), by John Gay
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Horace's Art of Poetry (Roscommon)|Horace's Art of Poetry]] (1680) by Quintus Horatius Flaccus, translated by Wentworth Dillon
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on Translated Verse (Roscommon)|An Essay on Translated Verse]] (1684), by Wentworth Dillon
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Epistle from Mr. Pope to Dr. Arbuthnot]] (1735), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Modern Parnassus; or, The New Art of Poetry]] (1814), by anonymous
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Gondibert: An Heroick Poem]] (1651), by William Davenant
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Posthumous Poems]] (1917), by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Niagara. A Poem]] (1822), by Abraham Moore
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Epistle to the Right Honourable Allen, Lord Bathurst]] (1733), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Epistle to the Right Honourable Richard, Earl of Burlington]] (1731), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Epistle to the Right Honourable Richard, Lord Viscount Cobham]] (1733), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Artemisa to Cloe]] (1679), by John Wilmot
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Tennyson, 1833)|Poems]] (1833), by Alfred Tennyson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Southey)/Volume 1|Poems (Volume 1)]] (1799), by Robert Southey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Southey)/Volume 2|Poems (Volume 2)]] (1799), by Robert Southey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lewesdon Hill]] (1788), by William Crowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Shake-speares Sonnets, Never before Imprinted]] (1609), by William Shakespeare
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Goblin Market and Other Poems (1862)|Goblin Market and Other Poems]] (1862), by Christina Georgina Rossetti
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Dramatis Personæ]] (1864), by Robert Browning (''Includes migration of a number of unsourced versions of the poems'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Iliad in a Nutshell: or Homer's Battle of the Frogs and Mice]] (1726), by Homer 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Homer in a Nutshell, or, His War Between the Frogs and the Mice (Parker)|Homer in a Nutshell, or, His War Between the Frogs and the Mice]] (1700), by Homer
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Batrachomyomachia, or, the wonderfull and bloudy Battell betweene Frogs and Mice]] (1634) by Homer
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Temple: Sacred Poems and Private Ejaculations]] (1633), by George Herbert (''included some migration of individual poems already on WS'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Retaliation (Goldsmith)|Retaliation]] (1774), by Oliver Goldsmith
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Dunciad]] (1743), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Farm and Fruit of Old|The Farm and Fruit of Old. A translation in verse of the First and Second Georgics of Virgil]] (1862), by Richard Doddridge Blackmore
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pastorals (Philips)|Pastorals]] (1710), by Ambrose Philips
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rosciad]] (1761), by Charles Churchill
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems, Chiefly Lyrical]] (1830), by Alfred Tennyson (''everything except initial upload, included some migration of individual poems already on WS'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Picture Show (Sassoon)|Picture Show]] (1919), by Siegfried Sassoon (''included some migration of individual poems already on WS'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Of the Characters of Women: An Epistle to a Lady]] (1735), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Musæus: a Monody to the Memory of Mr. Pope, in Imitation of Milton's Lycidas]] (1747), by William Mason
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[One Thousand Seven Hundred and Thirty Eight. A Dialogue Something Like Horace]] (1738), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[One Thousand Seven Hundred and Thirty Eight. Dialogue II.]] (1738), by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Memorials of a Tour on the Continent, 1820]] (1822), by William Wordsworth
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Joan of Arc (Southey)|Joan of Arc]] (1796), by Robert Southey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ode Occasion'd by the Death of Mr. Thomson]] (1749), by William Collins
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Chace]] (1735), by William Somervile
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Madagascar; with Other Poems]] (1638), by William Davenant (''everything apart from about half of the images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Elegy Wrote in a Country Church Yard (1751)|An Elegy Wrote in a Country Church Yard]] (1751), by Thomas Gray
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Earth Turns South]] (1919), by Clement Richardson Wood
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Giaour]] (1813), by George Gordon Byron
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Batrachomuomachia: or, the Battle of the Frogs and Mice]] (1736), by Henry Price
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Hind and the Panther]] (1687), by John Dryden
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Story of Rimini]] (1816), by James Henry Leigh Hunt
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Universe (Baker)|The Universe]] (1727), by Henry Baker (1698-1774)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems]] (1846), by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Moonlight, a Poem: with Several Copies of Verses]] (1814), by Edward Hovell-Thurlow
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Rainbows (Custance)|Rainbows]] (1902), by Olive Custance
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Works of Abraham Cowley/Volume 1|The Works of Abraham Cowley, Volume 1]] (1806), by Abraham Cowley
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Blue Bird (Custance)|The Blue Bird]] (1905), by Olive Custance
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Homer's Battle of the Frogs and Mice]] (1717), translated by Thomas Parnell
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems (Lewis)|Poems]] (1812), by Matthew Gregory Lewis
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ferishtah's Fancies]] (1884), by Robert Browning
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Poetical Works of Elijah Fenton]] (1779), by Elijah Fenton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ballads of Battle]] (1916), by Joseph Lee
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems on Several Occasions (Broome)|Poems on Several Occasions]] (1739), by William Broome
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems, Sacred and Moral]] (1803), by Thomas Gisborne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Work-a-day Warriors]] (1917), by Joseph Lee 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems, in Two Volumes (Wordsworth, 1807)|Poems, in Two Volumes]] (1807), by William Wordsworth 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Men and Women (Browning)|Men and Women]] (1855), by Robert Browning (''Also migrated multiple unsourced works'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Faerie Queene (1590/1596)/Books 1 to 3 (1590)|The Faerie Queene, Books I to III]] (1590), by Edmund Spenser
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pollio (Mickle, 1766)|Pollio: An Elegiac Ode]] (1766), by William Julius Mickle
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Tears of Music (Langhorne, 1760)|The Tears of Music]] (1760), by John Langhorne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Odes (Mason, 1756)|Odes]] (1756), by William Mason (1724-1797)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Traveller (Goldsmith, 1765)|The Traveller, or, A Prospect of Society]] (1765), by Oliver Goldsmith
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Visions of Fancy (Langhorne, 1762)|The Visions of Fancy]] (1762), by John Langhorne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Elegies (Mason, 1763)|Elegies]] (1763), by William Mason (1724-1797)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Edwin and Emma (Mallet, 1760)|Edwin and Emma]] (1760), by David Mallet
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ballads (Masefield, 1903)|Ballads]] (1903), by John Masefield (''also migrated a number of unsourced works'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Progress of Poetry (Madan, 1783)|The Progress of Poetry]] (1783), by Judith Madan
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Brittish Princes: An Heroick Poem]] (1669), by Edward Howard (1624-1700)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems of Nature (Whittier)|Poems of Nature]] (1886), by John Greenleaf Whittier
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Salmagundi (Huddesford, 1791)|Salmagundi]] (1791), by George Huddesford
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Maid's Tragedy Altered]] (1690), by Edmund Waller
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|The Shipwreck]] (1762), by William Falconer (1732-1769)
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===Migrations===
====Non fiction====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Cousins's Short Biographical Dictionary of English Literature.djvu]] - ''in progress''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essays (Cowley)|Essays]] (1886) by Abraham Cowley
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Letter from a Person of Quality to His Friend in the Country]] (1675) by Anthony Ashley Cooper
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Areopagitica (1644)|Areopagitica]] (1644) by John Milton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Confessions of an English Opium-Eater]] (1823) by Thomas De Quincey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Age of Shakespeare]] (1908) by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Vindication of the Rights of Men]] (1790) by Mary Wollstonecraft
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Present State of Wit (1711)|The Present State of Wit, in a Letter to a Friend in the Country]] (1711), by John Gay
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Necessity of Atheism (Shelley)|The Necessity of Atheism]] (1821) by Percy Bysshe Shelley
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Virginibus Puerisque and Other Papers]] (1881) by Robert Louis Stevenson (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Philosophical Essays Concerning Human Understanding]] (1748) by David Hume (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Vindication of Natural Society]] (1756) by Edmund Burke (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals]] (1751) by David Hume (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Four Dissertations]] (1757) by David Hume (''migration of two works, transcription of the other two'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Life of David Hume, Esq.]] (1777), by David Hume (''complete migration plus transcription of associated front matter'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Historic Doubts Relative to Napoleon Buonaparte]] (1874) by Richard Whately (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Discourse on the Method]] (1853) by René Descartes (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[On the Magnet]] (1900) by William Gilbert (''complete migration, plus reworked all of the images on Commons'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[George Bernard Shaw]] (1909) by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (''complete migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Utopia of Usurers and Other Essays]] (1917), by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (''complete migration'')

====Plays====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Cato, a Tragedy]] (1713), by Joseph Addison
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[All for Love (Dryden)|All for Love: or, The World well Lost]] (1678) by John Dryden
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Atalanta in Calydon]] (1865) by Algernon Charles Swinburne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Samson Agonistes]] (1661), by John Milton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Jew of Malta]] (1633), by Christopher Marlowe ''(part migration, part transcription)''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Tragedy of the Dutchesse of Malfy]] (1623), by John Webster
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Massacre at Paris]] (1600?), by Christopher Marlowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Edward II|The Troublesome Raigne and Lamentable Death of Edward the Second, King of England]] (1622), by Christopher Marlowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Edward III (play)|The Raigne of King Edward the Third]] (1596), by William Shakespeare and Thomas Kyd
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Venice Preserv'd]] (1682), by Thomas Otway
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Two Angry Women of Abingdon]] (1599), by Henry Porter
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pericles, Prince of Tyre (1609)|Pericles, Prince of Tyre]] (1609), by William Shakespeare
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Fair Penitent]] (1703), by Nicholas Rowe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Spanish Tragedie]] (1602), by Thomas Kyd
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow; color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Works of Ben Jonson/Volume 4/The Alchemist|The Alchemist]] (1816), by Ben Jonson

====Novels====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The History of Rasselas, Prince of Abyssinia]] (1759), by Samuel Johnson ''(2 volumes)''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[What Katy Did Next]] (1886) by Sarah Chauncey Woolsey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fanny Hill: Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure]] (1749), by John Cleland ''(2 volumes)''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Eugene Aram]] (1832), by Edward George Earle Lytton Bulwer ''(3 volumes)''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Little Men]] (1871) by Louisa May Alcott
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Little Women]] (1868) by Louisa May Alcott
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Wrong Box]] (1889) by Robert Louis Stevenson and Lloyd Osbourne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Ebb-Tide]] (1894) by Robert Louis Stevenson and Lloyd Osbourne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Weir of Hermiston]] (1896) by Robert Louis Stevenson (''Almost all of the migration, plus transcription of 'editorial comment' section'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sister Carrie]] (1900) by Theodore Dreiser (''Almost all of the migration, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The House of the Seven Gables]] (1851) by Nathaniel Hawthorne (''Complete migration, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Blithedale Romance]] (1852) by Nathaniel Hawthorne (''Contributed to migration and associated transclusion, plus minor validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Catriona]] (1893) by Robert Lewis Stevenson (''Complete migration, plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tarzan the Terrible]] (1921) by Edgar Rice Burroughs (''Migrated a few chapters, small amount of transcription/validation, plus updated transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Room with a View]] (1908) by Edward Morgan Forster (''Migrated whole work, plus updated transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Way of All Flesh]] (1903) by Samuel Butler (1835-1902) (''Migrated virtually the whole work.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Nightmare Abbey]] (1818) by Thomas Love Peacock (''Migrated virtually the whole work (transcribed, proofread or validated every page, plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Inland Voyage]] (1878) by Robert Louis Stevenson
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Middle of Things]] (1922) by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Copper Box]] (1923) by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner]] (1824) by James Hogg 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ravensdene Court]] (1922) by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Markenmore Mystery]] (1923) by Joseph Smith Fletcher

====Short stories====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Story of the Gadsbys]] (1888), by Rudyard Kipling (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Life's Handicap]] (1891), by Rudyard Kipling (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Tales]] (1890), by Rudyard Kipling (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[In Black and White]] (1891), by Rudyard Kipling (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Soldiers Three]] (1890), by Rudyard Kipling
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Diary of a Pilgrimage]] (1891), by Jerome Klapka Jerome (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tales from Shakespeare, illus. Rackham (1908)|Tales from Shakespeare]] (1908), by Charles Lamb and Mary Lamb
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Literary Lapses]] (1919), by Stephen Butler Leacock
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Idle Thoughts of an Idle Fellow]] (1886), by Jerome Klapka Jerome

====Poetry====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Paradise Regained|Paradise Regain'd]] (1661), by John Milton
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rime of the Ancient Mariner (1817)|The Rime of the Ancient Mariner]] (1817) by Samuel Taylor Coleridge
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Bothie of Toper-na-fuosich]] (1848) by Arthur Hugh Clough
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on Criticism]] (1711) by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hero and Leander (Marlowe)|Hero and Leander]] (1821) by Christopher Marlowe and George Chapman (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on Man]] (1751) by Alexander Pope
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Seasons (Thomson)|The Seasons]] (1791) by James Thomson (1700-1748) (''migration of poetry, transcription of associated material'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Castle of Indolence]] (1748) by James Thomson (1700-1748) 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam (tr. Fitzgerald, 1st edition)|The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam]] (1859) by Edward FitzGerald 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[In Memoriam (Tennyson)|In Memoriam]] (1850) by Alfred Tennyson 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Absalom and Achitophel]] (1682) by John Dryden
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Resignation (Young)|Resignation]] (1762) by Edward Young
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pastorals (Pope)|Pastorals]] (1793) by Alexander Pope (''part migration, part transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Fable for Critics]] (1848) by James Russell Lowell (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Windsor Forest (4th edition)|Windsor-Forest]] (1720) by Alexander Pope (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Lay of the Last Minstrel]] (1805) by Walter Scott (''full migration plus transcription of notes'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Annus Mirabilis: The Year of Wonders]] (1688) by John Dryden (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Deserted Village]] (1770) by Oliver Goldsmith (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fungi from Yuggoth]] (1930) by Howard Phillips Lovecraft (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Manfred, a dramatic poem]] (1817) by George Gordon Byron (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pacchiarotto|Pacchiarotto and How He Worked in Distemper: with Other Poems]] (1876) by Robert Browning (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hellas]] (1821) by Percy Bysshe Shelley (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Orion]] (1843) by Richard Henry Horne (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Shepheardes Calender]] (1579) by Edmund Spenser (''part migration, part transcription, plus images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ebony and Crystal]] (1922) by Clark Ashton Smith (''Mostly migration, some limited transcription'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Ultima Thule]] (1880) by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fables for the Frivolous]] (1889) by Guy Wetmore Carryl (''limited transcription, most of the validation plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems on Slavery]] (1842) by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (''contents had already been migrated, created all required pages or validated existing ones'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poetical Essay on the Existing State of Things]] (1811) by Percy Bysshe Shelley (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Le Lutrin]] (1682) by Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux, translated by N. O. (''full migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Lady of the Lake]] (1810) by Walter Scott (''migration of poem, transcription of notes'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Feminiad (Duncombe, 1754, 1st ed.)|The Feminiad: A Poem]] (1754) by John Duncombe
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lalla Rookh]] (1817) by Thomas Moore (1779-1852) (''part migration, plus lots of transcription/proofreading, transcription of notes'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Panegyrick to my Lord Protector (Waller, 1655)|A Panegyrick to my Lord Protector]] (1655) by Edmund Waller (''full migration'')
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===Significant contributions===
====Non fiction====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Lives of the Poets Laureate]] (1853)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Great Neapolitan Earthquake of 1857]], volume 2
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Transactions of the Geological Society, 1st series, vol. 2]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Frederic Rowton on Landon]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[British Statutes (Application to India) Repeal Act 1960]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Volume XXIII]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pauperization: cause and cure]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Friendship's Offering 1828.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Natural History, Reptiles.djvu]]
* &lt;span class=&quot;quality2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:The sexual life of savages in north-western Melanesia.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Blackwood's Magazine volume 001.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Diary of the times of Charles II Vol. I.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Philosophical Transactions - Volume 001.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aircraft Accident Report: National Airlines Flight 2511]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aviation Accident Report: 1945 Page Airways Accident]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, American Airlines Training Flight 514.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Mid-Air Collision on 30 September 1959.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Eastern Air Lines Flight 14.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Zantop Logair Flight 60-16.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, AAXICO Logair Flight 1814.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Standard Airways Flight 388C.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:The Lives of the Most Eminent English Poets, Volume 2.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:History of the Royal Society.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Eastern Air Lines Flight 5.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Delta Air Lines Flight 8715.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, Mid-Air Collision on 7 November 1959.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:The Works of William Harvey (part 1 of 2).djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Edinburgh Review Volume 59.djvu]], papers by Charles Babbage
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:New observations on inoculation - Angelo Gatti.djvu]] (1762), by Angelo Gatti
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, National Airlines Flight 967.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Aircraft Accident Report, AAXICO LOGAIR Trip 7002.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds Vol 1.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:The Discovery of a World in the Moone, 1638.djvu]] (1638), by John Wilkins
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:CAB Accident Report, West Coast Airlines Flight 703.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Treatise upon the Small-Pox]] (1723), by Richard Blackmore
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Elementary Treatise on Optics]] (1823), by Henry Coddington
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti]] (1911), by Johanna Christina Emerentia Bassalik-de Vries
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Samuel Johnson (1911).djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[In the High Heavens]] (1910), by Robert Stawell Ball
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Once a Week Jun to Dec 1864.pdf]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Dissertation on the Puerperal Fever]] (1789), by Pierre de Sales Laterrière
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Evisceration]] (1889), by Arthur Edward Prince
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Omniana/Volume 1|Omniana, or Horæ Otiosiores: Volume 1]] (1812), by Robert Southey
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Hittites]] (1890), by Archibald Henry Sayce
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essays in Modernity: Criticisms and Dialogues]] (1899), by Francis William Lauderdale Adams
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Slavery in the United States]] (1823), by Charles Ball {''transcription, validation and transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Appeal to the Wealthy of the Land]] (1833), by Mathew Carey (''transcription, proofreading and transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Parochial History of Cornwall/Volume 1|The Parochial History of Cornwall - Volume 1]] (1838), by Davies Gilbert (''partial prooreading &amp; complete transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Omniana/Volume 2|Omniana, or Horæ Otiosiores: Volume II]] (1812), by Robert Southey {''partial transcription, partial proofreading &amp; complete transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Gallery of Children]] (1925), by Alan Alexander Milne ''(some transcription, some proofreading, some validation, plus most of the transclusion) ''
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Essays on the Principles of Human Action]] (1835), by William Hazlitt (1778-1830) (''didn't upload the book but proofread all of it, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Arthur Machen: A Novelist of Ecstasy and Sin]] (1918), by Vincent Starett (''Validated all of the work.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Why I Am an Infidel]] (1926), by Luther Burbank (''Most of proofreading and complete transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Biographical Dictionary of the Celebrated Women of Every Age and Country]] (1804), by Mary Matilda Betham (''Various proofreading, validation and transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Sidereal Messenger of Galileo Galilei]] (1880), by Galileo Galilei (''Created and proofread all but two content pages, plus illustrations and transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Divers voyages touching the discouerie of America]] (1582), by Richard Hakluyt (''Various proofreading, validation and transclusion, plus uploaded images.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[On the Characters, Properties, and Uses of Eucalyptus Globulus and Other Species of Eucalyptus]] (1874), by Robert Bentley (''Most of the proofreading plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Physical and Topographical Sketch of the Mississippi Territory, Lower Louisiana, and a Part of West Florida]] (1803), by Garrett Elliott Pendergrast (''Much of the proofreading plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hesiod, and Theognis]] (1873), by James Davies (''some transcription, some validation, some transclusion plus complete review of work to make poetry formatting consistent.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The clock problem (clock paradox) in relativity]] (1959), by Mildred Catherine Benton (''some transcription, some validation, plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sketch of Connecticut, Forty Years Since]] (1824), by Lydia Sigourney (''much transcription, some validation, plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Thoughts on the causes and consequences of the present high price of provisions]] (1767), by Soame Jenyns (''validated all, plus corrected transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An answer to a pamphlet, intitled, &quot;Thoughts on the causes and consequences of the present high price of provisions&quot; in a letter, addressed to the supposed author of that pamphlet]] (1768), by Anonymous (''validated all, plus corrected transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Heart of Monadnock]] (1922), by Elizabeth Weston Timlow (''most of proofread plus upload of images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Reflections on the Decline of Science in England]] (1830), by Charles Babbage (''Did pretty much everything except initial upload'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Treatise concerning the Use and Abuse of the Marriage Bed]] (1727), by Daniel Defoe (''Did pretty much everything except initial upload'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Aran Islands]] (1912), by John Millington Synge (''A lot of proofreading and validation'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Soul of London]] (1905), by Ford Madox Heufer (''Transcribed everything but the front matter'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Alexander Pope (Stephen)|Alexander Pope]] (1880), by Leslie Stephen (''Transcribed almost everything but the front matter and a few other pages'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Art of Kissing]] (1926), by Clement Wood (''Some transcription, proofreading and validation. Sourcing and linking of quotes, whole of transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Discourse Concerning the Natation of Bodies]] (1663), by Galileo Galilei (''Proofreading and validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Harveian Oration 1867]] (1867), by James Alderson (''Full validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Music of the Spheres]] (1926), by Florence Armstrong Grondal (''Lots of transcription and transclusion, plus improved some of the images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Harveian Oration: Delivered Before the Royal College of Physicians of London on June 21st, 1905]] (1905), by Frederick Thomas Roberts (''Significant proofreading / validation'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Time and Tide by Weare and Tyne]] (1886), by John Ruskin (''Some validation, most of transclusion, added links'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A History of Cawthorne]] (1882), by Charles Tiplady Pratt (''Lots of proofreading, completion of migration'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Harveian Oration: Delivered Before the Royal College of Physicians on June 21, 1904]] (1904), by Richard Caton (''Lots of proofreading/validation, added images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Harveian oration 1873]] (1873), by George Rolleston (''Lots of proofreading/validation'')

====Plays====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Playboy of the Western World]] (1912), by Edmund John Millington Synge (''lots of transcription and transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Shakespeare - First Folio facsimile (1910)]] (1623), by William Shakespeare (''lots of transcription and transclusion'')

====Novels====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Wuthering Heights (1st edition)/Volume 1]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Wuthering Heights (1st edition)/Volume 2]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sylvie and Bruno]], by Lewis Carroll
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sylvie and Bruno Concluded]], by Lewis Carroll
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Zanoni]], Volume 1
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Valperga (1823) Shelley Vol 1.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Valperga (1823) Shelley Vol 2.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Leaf in the Storm; A Dog of Flanders and Other Stories]] (1872), by 'Ouida' (Marie Louise de la Ramée)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[In a Winter City]] (1876), by 'Ouida' (Marie Louise de la Ramée) 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Mummy (Loudon)/Volume 2]] (1827), by Jane Loudon
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Orange-Yellow Diamond]] (1922), by Joseph Smith Fletcher
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Semi-attached Couple]] (1890), by [[Author:Emily Eden|Emily Eden]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Edgar Huntly, or The Sleep Walker]] (1831), by Charles Brockden Brown
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Jane Eyre (1st edition)]] (1847), by Charlotte Brontë (''mostly transcription of volume 3'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Sylvester Sound the Somnambulist]] (1844), by Henry Cockton (''ongoing prooreading/transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Baron Trump's Marvellous Underground Journey]] (1893), by Ingersoll Lockwood {''transclusion and corrections'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Semi-detached House]] (1859), by Emily Eden (''transcription and proofreading'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Floating City (1904)]] (1904), by Jules Verne
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Manhattan Transfer]] (1925), by John Dos Passos (''touched every page (transcription, proofreading, validation), plus much of the transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Railway Children]] (1906), by Edith Nesbit (''Some proofreading and much validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Three Speeds Forward]] (1906), by Lloyd Osbourne (''Much proofreading, some validation and complete transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Kidnapped - Stevenson (1887)|Kidnapped]] (1887), by Robert Louis Stevenson (''Pretty much everything except the initial upload. Illustrations were already on Commons.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Our Nig; or Sketches from the Life of a Free Black]] (1859) by Harriet E. Wilson (''part migration, part transcription.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Porgy]] (1925) by DuBose Heyward (''everything except initial upload.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Incredulity of Father Brown]] (1926) by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (''Most transcription, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Reign of George VI]] (1763) by Samuel Madden (''most of the proofread, plus transclusion and images.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lolly Willowes]] (1926) by Sylvia Townsend Warner (''most of the proofread, plus transclusion and images.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lucian's True History]] (1894) by Lucian of Samosata (''some transcription and transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Wanderer (Burney)|The Wanderer]] (1814) by Fanny Burney (''most of the transcription and transclusion of all five volumes.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Moods]] (1864) by Louisa May Alcott (''lots of transcription plus transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The House at Pooh Corner (1961)|The House at Pooh Corner]] (1961) by Alan Alexander Milne (''lots of transcription plus most of the images.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Chambermaid's Diary]] (1900) by Octave Mirbeau (''a chunk of proofreading, and a chunk of validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Zuleika Dobson]] (1911) by Max Beerbohm (''lots of proofreading.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Napoleon of Notting Hill]] (1904) by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (''a chunk of proofreading, some validation, some transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Viaduct Murder]] (1926) by Ronald Arbuthnott Knox (''almost everything apart from initial upload and a few pages.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Old Ninety-Nine's Cave]] (1909), by Elizabeth H. Gray (''fixed the scan, lots of proofreading, uploaded images.'')

====Short stories====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Collected Works of Ambrose Bierce/Volume 2]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: pink;color:#202122&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:The Yellow Book - 13.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 5|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 5]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 6|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 6]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Yellow Book/Volume 1|The Yellow Book: Volume 1]] (1894), edited by Henry Harland
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 3|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 3]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Rootabaga Stories.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 2|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 2]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Index:Stories told to a child.djvu]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 1|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 1]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Shen of the Sea]] (1925), by Arthur Bowie Chrisman (''some proofreading, some validation, some transclusion, plus upload of illustrations.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Fire!!]] (1926), edited by Wallace Henry Thurman (''some proofreading, some validation, all of transclusion, plus upload of all graphics and illustrations.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag/Volume 4|Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 4]] (''large proportion of transcription and transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Camperdown|Camperdown, or, News from our neighbourhood]] (1836), by Mary Griffith (''most of proofread, limited validation and all of transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Yellow Book/Volume 3|The Yellow Book: Volume 3]] (1894), edited by Henry Harland

====Poetry====
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poetical Works of John Oldham]] (1854), edited by Robert Bell
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Leaves of Grass (1860)]] (1860), by Walt Whitman
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Poetical Works of Thomas Parnell]] (1833)
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[An Essay on Virgil's Æneid]] (1728), by Christopher Pitt
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems upon Several Occasions]] (1726), by George Granville
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Ascent of Man]] (1889), by Mathilde Blind
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Odes of Horace, Book 5]] (1921), by [[Author:Quintus Horatius Flaccus|Horace]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Odes and Carmen Saeculare]] (1892), by [[Author:Quintus Horatius Flaccus|Horace]]
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Prometheus Unbound; a lyrical drama in four acts with other poems]] (1820), by Percy Bysshe Shelley {''transcription and proofreading'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Prometheus Bound, and other poems]] (1851), by Elizabeth Barrett Browning (''most of Casa Guidi Windows'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[When We Were Very Young]] (1925), by Alan Alexander Milne (''some proofreading , some validation, most of the transclusion, plus associated editing to transclude correctly'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hebrew Melodies (Byron, 1815)|Hebrew Melodies]] (1815), by George Gordon Byron (''much proofreading, some validation, most of the transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Demeter and other poems]] (1889), by Alfred Tennyson (''most of the transcription and proofreading, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Enoch Arden, etc]] (1864), by Alfred Tennyson (''most of the transcription and proofreading, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Amyntas, A Tale of the Woods]] (1820), by Torquato Tasso (''fixed the scan, most of the transcription and proofreading, plus transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Pastorals Epistles Odes (1748)|Pastorals, epistles, odes, and other original poems, with translations from Pindar, Anacreon, and Sappho]] (1748), by Ambrose Philips (''fixed the scan (50%+ missing), lots of the transcription and proofreading, plus graphic items and improved transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Collection of Poems]] (1709), by William Shakespeare (''Lots of proofreading and validation.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Grumbling Hive]] (1705), by Bernard Mandeville (''reformatting of poem, plus validation'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Color (Cullen)|Color]] (1925), by Countee Cullen (''Most of transcription and proofreading, plus all of the transclusion.'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Copper Sun (Cullen)|Copper Sun]] (1927), by Countee Cullen (''some transcription, some validation plus all of the transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Triumphs of Temper (11th ed.)|The Triumphs of Temper]] (1801), by William Hayley (''almost everything except the initial upload'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Spring Harvest]] (1916), by Geoffrey Brache Smith (''some proofreading, more validation plus all of the transclusion'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Lyrical Ballads (1798)|Lyrical Ballads]] (1798), by William Wordsworth and Samuel Taylor Coleridge (''transcribed several poems'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Rosemary and Pansies]] (1904), by Bertram Dobell (''various migrations, transcription, extensive transclusion, some proofreading'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: lime;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Rape of the Lock]] (1724), by Alexander Pope (''improved formatting, much validation'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Poems on Slavery]] (1842), by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (''did either proofreading or validation of whole work'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Hudibras]] (1859), by Samuel Butler (''lots of proofreading, some validation, a proportion of the images'')
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Opals (Custance)|Opals]] (1897), by Olive Custance (''lots of proofreading, some validation'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[A Shropshire Lad]] (1906), by Alfred Edward Housman (''lots of proofreading and transclusion, some validation'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Inn of Dreams]] (1911), by Olive Custance (''lots of proofreading, some validation'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Artemis to Actæon (1909)|Artemis to Actæon]] (1909), by Edith Wharton (''a lot of proofreading, some validation, finalised transclusion'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[The Ballad of St. Barbara and other verses]] (1922), by Gilbert Keith Chesterton (''some transcription, some proofreading, some validation, finalised transclusion'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Destroyers and Other Verses]] (1919), by Henry Head (''some transcription, some proofreading, some validation, finalised transclusion'') 
* &lt;span style=&quot;background-color: yellow;color:#202122;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;[[Parerga]] (1843), by Edward Shepherd Creasy (''lots of proofreading and transclusion, some validation'') 
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'''Welcome'''

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Again, welcome!  &lt;!-- Template:welcome --&gt; —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
: {{ping|Koavf}} Nice to see you're active here too! Thanks. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 19:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
::Sometimes. You were first answered by [[User:EncycloPetey]] who is very active. He is a competent admin here who can answer all your questions. Additionally, I have found [[User:billinghurst]] to be very helpful. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe request ==

How does the QT system work? Is it possible for someone else to do the proofreading, and you run the QT.py script? In any case, would you be willing to do [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001904373 this] work? It doesn’t seem to me to be particularly difficult (although I would also like to know what sorts of text make QT work difficult). Thank you. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Ah, some interest! Well, I'm sure you're familiar with the WikiProject Film draft system already. It is structured kind of similarly to that system, except I've done quite a lot more work in coding this new QuickTranscribe system. Here's a more detailed description of the project: [[User:PseudoSkull/QuickTranscribe]] Basically, QT aims to eliminate all possible tedious or repetitive elements from the transcription process, streamlining everything onto a single page workspace, where all the material is split out from there, into various places like Wikidata, Commons, and Wikisource itself across multiple namespaces.
: I am proud to say that as of right now, the system works very well with ~ 400 pg. novels or less, at least novels from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It can also do single-page works (like children's books or essays), and the functionality for short story collections, and in theory poetry or essay collections, has gone a long way as well. But for works that have more complicated structures, such as many esoteric kinds of nonfiction or academic works, the system struggles a lot as of right now.
: If you would like to try using this system, you would be the first person besides myself to ever try it. Despite having gone further than I could have ever imagined since its inception in May, the project is still in its early stages. So maybe you could consider yourself an &quot;early tester&quot;. If you'd like to try using QT and see how you like it, I can make a short video tutorial/demo for it sometime this week for you, to show the basics of how I do it, and I'll try and write more documentation as well. Would you be interested in that?
: As for the scan you sent me, it seems like that work should be doable at a glance. I'll look into it. Although, do you know why it starts at ~ Chapter 7? Is it a second volume? I didn't read the fairly long intro and preface (because I'm going to sleep soon), maybe those go into why. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 23:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
:*I am interested, so some documentation would be nice. (To be honest, a video would also help, if that wouldn’t be too much work.) As for the book, it is a translation of a manuscript, the beginning, end, and some of the middle of the which were destroyed over time (according to the preface). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 05:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
::: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Got it. I'll see what I can do for you, and I'll get back to you soon.
::: Just so you know, I have plans to one day release a frontend web application for QuickTranscribe before releasing it for general use on Wikisource. I assume I will probably be able to get it hosted on Toolforge (the Commons IA uploader tool and the Wikidata matching game are also hosted there, for example), and if I can't I'll host it on my own server. But for now, the way it has to be done is through a user subpage on Wikisource itself. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 15:32, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Toolforge is essentially self-service. See [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge|Help:Toolforge]] and [[wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Quickstart|Help:Toolforge/Quickstart]]. If you're building tools related to Wikimedia projects I highly recommend it. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 20:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
*(1) ''The Robinson Family'' should be on its way. (2) Is the scan of the ''Rhymes'' good? (3) What’s your progress on the documentation? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:52, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
:: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} (1) It's actually ''The Stephenson Family''—please make sure you got the right one. (2) It seems perfect from a glance, thanks. (3) A frontend for QT is currently under development. It would probably be best to use it in the Toolforge environment, since I believe I can have it in a working state in a few months. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 18:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
::*[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]]: The name was from memory; I did order the right family. There doesn’t seem to be any problem with the request, so it should be filled “soon” (whenever that is, but it’s also close to end-of-semester for the colleges likely to fulfil the request, so maybe a little later.) [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 21:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
*I don’t mean to pry, but I would like to know how you’ve progressed on the QT system front-end (or public-facing part, anyhow). I’ve seen a lot of easy-to-do-but-time-consuming works which I think QT would work well for, or at least for text generation, but I haven’t looked through your GitHub enough to be able to figure it out. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Hey, it's been a while! I apologize, as you might have been able to tell I've been very inactive lately due to IRL obligations and I abandoned most of my longstanding projects, but expect that I'll start working on Wikisource frontends and more user-friendly functionality fairly soon. The code is messy as it currently stands. Thanks for reaching out! I'm glad this is still desired. :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 00:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::You'd also have me interested for a QT frontend &amp;/or explanation; I myself have been doing some stuff to automatize, but you've done much more, and I have a growing feeling that a lot of stuff has been rewritten multiple times by different people with minimal variation (e.g. [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|this]] and [[User:SnowyCinema/QT#POEM|that]] or [[User:Alien333/transclude.js|that thing]] and QT's transclusion). It'd be a good idea to try maintain a centralized listing scripts and other tools to use those already existing (maybe adding some functionalities by the way) instead of making the same thing over and over. For example, we must have at least ten variants of a script/program to unwrap text lying around. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

== Proper ==

The word &quot;proper&quot; has been thrown around a lot in conversation today without any basis that I can see.  Our [[Help:Disambiguation]] page has no statement of any kind about &quot;proper&quot; naming for such pages.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} That's not a good thing. We need more consistency in the logic of our mainspace pages here. Our lack of coherent hierarchical structure is one of our greatest downfalls, one that I deal with constantly with lots of headache. I guess the move just seemed to make sense to me in that moment. But, have it your way. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 23:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
:: There have been several prior attempts to standardize naming on mainspace pages, and all have failed to achieve anything like consensus.  If you think a particular form is likely to be useful, it can always be created as a redirect to the actual page, without necessitating a move. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Apologies for the rules oversight on my part. I've been modifying probably hundreds of disambiguation pages in the past week or month, so hopefully you'll consider this my pass for a slip-up. It wouldn't have been the way I named the page if I transcribed the work, but I'm not gonna fight tooth and nail over that minor page-naming disagreement.
::: But I do think it is important that we improve our naming conventions here. For any site with large amounts of data, having a good consistent structure is key. I know we can't ever make it 100% consistent, but we can certainly get close—and Wikipedia and Wiktionary aren't 100% consistent either, but at least they try. One day, I think there will be a change in this regard, but obviously not today. It will probably require a larger community than we have now for more users to actually feel the pains. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 23:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
:::: Part of our issue results from the huge number of things published, in combination with the variability of title forms.  My principle has been, if we can use the actual title, to do so, and only create artificial names where the actual names of multiple publications conflict.  Sorting out the Shakespeare play titles was one of those times, and I posted my intentions before starting the changes, to be sure there would be no blowback. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:09, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== Authors with no eligible works ==

Just a tip: for cases like the recent author pages for authors with no eligible works, it's often worthwhile to take the issue up with the contributor on their talk page first. Most of the time they're created out of ignorance and after a quick check they can be speedied without needing a community discussion, minimum times the thread must be open (one week for proposed deletions, two for copyright issues), and so forth. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 21:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
: {{ping|Xover}} Alright, but I didn't follow up because EncycloPetey started that discussion on the user talk page before I got the chance to. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 21:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

== [[Page:Little Elephant's Christmas, story (IA littleelephantsc00wash).pdf/18]] ==

Hi, I changed it because, in my view, this is covered in intro and point 7, first bullet, of [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Formatting]]. Especially the part &quot;''as well as incremental spacing found within justified text.''&quot;, &quot;''knowing that we are trying to reproduce works for modern readership, not provide facsimiles of the time and place.''&quot;.

The ''tempo'' of the sentence and the similarity with the rest of the sentence shows it is clearly a typographical artifact to keep the text justified.

At least, this is how I interpret the Style guide. [[User:Mpaa|Mpaa]] ([[User talk:Mpaa|talk]]) 18:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
: {{ping|Mpaa}} It's unclear to me why Washburne's typist decided to use spaces between the hyphens there. One view is that maybe it was purposeful—that it is to represent a slower transition between the &quot;clatters&quot; than the &quot;tromps&quot;. Or maybe it's just a typographical error (although for that typo to appear 3 times in a row is strange). Although, (and this would be an argument for your side), it could just be to take up space on the page on purpose to fill a line, which would not be something we'd want to replicate. But we will never truly know the motivations, because everyone involved all died decades ago. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 18:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

== The Lost World (1925).webm ==

Hi, the [[:File:The Lost World (1925).webm]] being a restored version, the first frame declares that it is copyrighted since 2016. Shall we keep this transcription? If yes, it will be necessary to insert new pages in the index. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 11:42, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} The copyright should not apply to our transcription, since the restoration is trying its best to be loyal to an original source. Since we didn't keep in the sound, I think we're fine.
: I am concerned about the timestamps though, possibly being out of sync. Are they? I'm not sure why the other file was deleted at Commons, but they really should be a bit more careful before deleting these sorts of files that are connected to Wikisource transcriptions. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 11:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I have to review the timestamps. A small sequence presenting Conan Doyle is inserted at the beginning. I am going to update the draft. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 12:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, I've updated the [[Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/Archives/The Lost World (1925 film)|original draft]]—timestamps, 7 new pages plus a few minor modifications. Can GemmaBot fix the index and transcription? What do you suggest? --[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 09:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} {{done}}, along with ''Usher''. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 18:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Splendid! But this ''Usher'' is not famous for the quality of its dialogs… [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 19:03, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

== Extraterrestrial life ==

I considered that category, but (a) it's a subcategory of science fiction, and (b) the NASA paper does not contain any actual discussion about extraterrestrial life.  It is about [[:Category:Astrobiology]], the scientific search for such life and investigation of the origins of life.  Most of the paper deals with microbial biology on Earth and scientific equipment designed to search for evidence of life.  It does not cover extraterrestrial life, not even in speculation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:06, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Well I created it for both science and science fiction, since there can be scientific discussion about the possibility of alien life. The work is called ''Concepts for Detection of Extraterrestrial Life'', so I thought there was at least intent to discuss it. But I'll leave you, our local &quot;expert&quot; on the work, to determine if that's appropriate. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 04:10, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Most library cataloging systems distinguish between the science of something and fictional stories about it.  That way, economic studies of poverty and the novels of Charles Dickens aren't put into the same category.  They're typically distinguished by terminology in the Library of Congress with formats like &quot;Poverty&quot; vs &quot;Poverty—Fiction&quot;, and here we have categories like &quot;X in fiction&quot; to mimic that.  We don't always have such a split, but then again, our categories are not as rigorous or as frequently used as they should be. Many works are uncategorized at all, or poorly so. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
::: Well, all are works about poverty either way, so there should be a base category overarching them at least. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 04:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

== Template:Blackface ==

While I fully understand why you have created this template, it does go against stated Wikimedia-wide policies whereby it is up to the reader (viewer) to have discretion. Somewhere in the archives there is at least one discussion on putting in warnings for various offensiveness. The conclusion was to continue to not use them. If you feel that we should look to change this, we'll need a full discussion on the Scriptorium. However, I would see no objection to a category for these films as a possible way of flagging them. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} In ''real life'' I'm getting people telling me that I'm intrinsically supporting the messages or themes of the films I transcribe by transcribing them. Obviously, the fact that I spent the time to transcribe the films in question isn't something I go around telling everyone, but, I have been told by some (again mostly IRL) to be careful which works I transcribe, because of the impacts it may have on my personal reputation and/or the course of history from here on out.
: It's clear to me that there's a lack of understanding among the general public about the nature of our site and our transcriptions. And you have to keep in mind, most of our readers ''are'' from the general public, and know nothing about our concepts of neutrality or the like, and aren't spending time reading terms of service, mountains of editor policies and guidelines, or learning about the nature of our community.
: So, while I get the sentiment that we want to stay on the edge of neutrality whenever possible here in the wiki-sphere, in practical terms people often see the addition of a work to a collection like ours, especially with the amount of time we have to invest in our transcription process, as alarming when some offensive material is in it. Especially since there are a handful of works where the entire message of the work is extremely bigoted at its core as is the case with ''The Birth'', or that one infamous anti-gay propaganda film from the 1960s that's also PD. Think of the vast Klan literature, Nazi literature, or Ford's ''The International Jew'', as some print examples.
: In truth, I think all transcriptions should be treated as equally great additions to our collection, even if the material in them is abhorrent. A great diversity (in opinions, perspectives, topics, authors with different backgrounds, etc.) should be valued on a site like Wikisource, but this unfortunately means we have to eventually come to terms with the ugly.
: I think the general public needs a bit of nudging. This is a very complicated topic that I'm finding hard to summarize here, but basically, members of the general public will easily take an understanding like &quot;Oh, god, somebody really racist clearly did this transcription! Who else would spend so much time on it?&quot; or &quot;Hey, that racist guy from this book actually had a pretty solid point! We should hate X people after all.&quot; from some transcribed material by a fervent racist in the early 20th century, especially in this age where Twitter (oh, sorry, '''X'''!!!!!), TikTok, and Instagram reign as some of the most popular platforms in the world. We're in an age where people hate reading anything at all, unless it's in the form of a Snapchat caption or a short-form hurled insult with hashtags. {{smaller|You can forget the feud between [[Author:Stuart Pratt Sherman|Stuart Pratt Sherman]] and [[Author:H. L. Mencken|H. L. Mencken]] if they were still alive. Hell, they'd be joining forces!}} Am I ranting? Sorry. It's late.
: Ahem. Well, I'll take it somewhere else if you want, but it's pretty clear to me (and several other Wikisourcers I've spoken to about it in other instances) that something like this is needed. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 07:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} A recent discussion was on {{tl|Moral disclaimer}}, and consensus said this template can be used on talk pages. But, personally, I think that's not enough. And I think all the consensus around offensiveness here stems from the fact that we haven't had to deal with the backlash from ''having'' those offensive works here, since those very works are often avoided by our contributors for these very reasons. ''The Clansman'', for example, the basis for ''The Birth'' and probably the most significant racist piece of literature in American history, was deleted a few years ago because it only had a few chapters done, non-scan-backed. An index was produced recently, but it's barely been worked on. And honestly, this is understandable. Think about it like this—what if we had ''a ton'' of works by the Klan, (which we hypothetically could)? I think it'd be fair to say we'd have some explaining to do to our readers, wouldn't you? [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 07:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:::That was the discussion I was remembering, but I must have dipped out part way through as I didn't remember the talk page conclusion. Yes, the General disclaimer statement was formed well before I joined here in 2009. Again, I fully understand the why of what you're doing with this template and I certainly don't disagree with the importance of this conversation. My concern is more about where the boundary is. If we need to overtly flag blackface, do we need to do the same with texts with the words &quot;coon&quot;, &quot;nigger&quot;, and &quot;chink&quot;? What about those with faked negro dialect or where blacks are only seen as servants and/or comic relief? I'm immediately aware of these because the Stratemeyer Syndicate books that I'm working on are littered with them. And that's before we deal with the role of Jews in these books. [I note that there is no disclaimer template on the erotica that we hold.]{{pbr}}Would you be amenable to generalising the wording of the template closer to that of {{tl|moral disclaimer}} rather than focusing solely on blackface issue? That way you won't need to create a series of these for each type of problematic presentation. I also think that, for the time being and consistency with the previous consensus, the template (in whatever version) will need to sit on the Talk pages—until such time as a more general conversation than just us two in the late evening can be had. [By the way, the reason I even looked at the template was the name, which I thought was another typeface one, akin to Blackletter.] [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 08:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} I've reverted the changes for now, so the template and module have no effect anymore. I'll take your advice and gain consensus first.
:::: There's a lot to unpack here, for sure, and the issue is complex. For this bit, I'll focus on film, specifically, since that's the area I feel most comfortable talking about.
:::: Our prime examples right now are {{w|Al Jolson}}'s films and ''The Birth of a Nation''. ''The Birth'' can just be covered by a general disclaimer, I'm fine with that. It's bad all around.
:::: But with Jolson's material, it gets more complicated. His two feature films (1927's ''The Jazz Singer'' and 1928's ''The Singing Fool'') are not straightforwardly about race at all. There are a few blackface performances in them, but the theme of black racism has very little to do with the overall plot of the movies. Just reading [[The Jazz Singer (film)|the ''Jazz Singer'' transcript alone]], the racism would barely be apparent, much like the works you mentioned with an occasional use of the N word. It would take watching the film itself to see the blackface performances (and watching it to the end at that), and to make a judgment of offense from that.
:::: The themes of ''The Jazz Singer'' revolve around traditionalism, and what it's like to escape it. Jakie Rabinowicz (by stage name Jack Robin), the main character played by Al Jolson, is the son of a Jewish cantor, in an immigrant community in New York City. He wants to live a life as a jazz singer (hence the film's title). But his father fervently disapproves of this lifestyle, which he views as new-fangled and against the will of his religion, and so his father the Cantor disowns him from the family. The film touches on his jazz life (which involves blackface in some brief bits), as well as his relationship with his family at home in New York.
:::: Contrast this with ''The Birth''. That movie is a straightforward piece of propaganda that documents the Civil War and Reconstruction periods from a white supremacist perspective. Well, &quot;documents&quot; is pretty generous...&quot;perverts&quot; would be a better word. The themes behind that movie? Explicitly racial. The overall message of that film is essentially, &quot;if you give black people an inch they take a mile&quot;. According to that movie, once we ended slavery, black people took over everything and made life miserable for white people. And that's not even an exaggeration—I clarify that here because the plot is so ridiculous, you'd think I was making it up. (I know this because I watched it so you don't have to.)
:::: Anyway, the point is, ''The Jazz Singer'' doesn't have anything to do with race unlike the other point of comparison which is ''The Birth of a Nation'', but does feature blackface, which some viewers will notice. On the other hand, see also ''[[A Plantation Act (film)|A Plantation Act]]'' (1926) also starring Al Jolson—a short &quot;test film&quot; for the sound technology later used in ''The Jazz Singer''. To not make this too much longer, ''A Plantation Act'' is basically just a minstrel performance, nothing more. Pretty yikesy...
:::: In light of all these points (and of watching too many movies no one ever watches), the degree of offense and the reasons behind offense is indeed complicated. I think making different templates would make sense, but I agree it should probably only be used in the more extreme cases, or where it's at least obvious that the work has some bigoted things in it. Take for example ''The Jazz Singer''—the blackface isn't that prevalent in the film itself, but the blackface is a huge part of that film's legacy, so prominent that much of the film's promotion highlighted the blackface acts specifically. So, if searchers know what the film is, they know blackface has something to do with it. So I feel like in that instance, the disclaimer is justifiable. In something like ''[[The Fighting Coward]]'', though? Where only a minor character had blackface, the film isn't known for blackface, and the themes don't revolve around race? Maybe we can take it off of that one.
:::: Well, anyway, to summarize, it's the general public I'm concerned about—our editors will get it, but Your Average Joe™ will extrapolate more than necessary. Here are the principles I want to leave you with. Three things: 1. Is the work known for offensive content? 2. (Especially) Does the work leave you with an explicitly bigoted political/philosophical message? 3. The bigotry is particularly obvious for some other reason. Those are my guidelines. I'll think more about it, though, to give a more organized answer/proposal later. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 09:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:: Added onto the fact that when these consensuses were presumably formed and relashed (2000s–early 2010s), this was before many of the modern social movements surrounding race, gender, and sexuality (mid-to-late 2010s, present era of early 2020s), had even ''close'' to the amount of recognition they do right now. It's really impossible to avoid these questions anymore. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 07:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Hope you don't mind me chiming in here. New Wikisourcer here, still learning. Wanted to say how much I'm impressed by senior editors modeling respectful conversation like this. I also apreciate the &quot;Be Bold&quot; is still the philosophy here. 
:::I agree 100% that society has changed a ''lot'' these past 10 or 15 years; plenty of people simply are no longer educated on basic tenets of free speech and the risks of censorship. I'm working on a large work here full of potentially offensive content and I'd have no problem with some form of disclaimer atop either the entire work, or perhaps certain chapters. The key would be the wordsmithing of the disclaimer, and linking to a page that lucidly and patiently (but unapologetically) lays out the WS philosophy.
:::Not sure I can contribute much more of substance here, though I'd gladly chime in on anything in the Scriptorum if it comes up. Mostly just wanted to say &quot;Thank you&quot; for this conversation and how well it's being conducted. Cheers. [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 16:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle|Brad606}} I just thought of something a bit creative with this. What if we had a Wikisource essay on offensive material, to go in [[:Category:Wikisource essays]]? This would be something that wouldn't need consensus since it's just a layout of perspectives on the issue, and not a formal policy or even a guideline. Maybe this essay could be linked to on our disclaimer templates that I'm sure will come about in the future, as a way to further explain what value these works have, despite the views they represent.
: I'd like to volunteer to write the essay. The &quot;nutshell&quot; summary of this essay would be, &quot;yes, we will include works that are offensive or have offensive material, but, no, we don't support them, since we're a neutral platform.&quot; But there are a lot of nuances that I feel like I could also address in this essay, such as amounts of offensive material, offensive words or acts (such as blackface or the N word), sentiments against censorship in general, and why including even the most racist works can be useful to the general public if used for research projects and the like. These are all things I know I've outlined several times on discussion pages and the like, but maybe it's time to just put it all in one place and let it sit there. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 23:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
::I'm more than happy with that idea. I don't have the time to do any writing at present, but can assist with proofreading, &amp;c. Maybe do a draft in your user space and let me know when it's ready for someone else to look at it. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:33, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] I like this creative idea, too. I think you've got a particularly informed perspective given your interests. I'd really appreciate reading an essay like that, and I'd be glad to offer a review or proofread if you could use one. [[User:Brad606|Brad606]] ([[User talk:Brad606|talk]]) 04:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
::: Thanks! The writing's been a bit rough for me tonight. I want to be brief but at the same time I want to be exhaustive. Then here I went on some diatribes about Carl Van Vechten and Al Jolson in the drafts, and I don't even think they were that relevant to the main point of the essay. Eeeh. I'll pick it back up some other time. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 08:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

== New change in [[:File:The Kid (1921).webm]] ==

Recently, someone uploaded [[:File:The Kid (1921).webm|a new file on ''The Kid'']] which includes the original opening and closing titles, and so [[The Kid (film)|the wikisource page]] needs to be updated too. [[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 00:49, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Mayimbú}} Ah, well good, it looks like that version is more complete rather than less. I'll put it in [[:Category:Film transcriptions with out-of-sync timestamps]], since this is not an uncommon thing to happen here. Thanks for letting me know. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull#top|talk]]) 00:55, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

== Username change ==

Hi, I've updated the Administrator pages to take account of your username change. If there are other places here at enWS that need adjusting, please either fix them or let me know. Obviously, I'll have to leave the sisters to you. Best, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beeswaxcandle}} Ah, thank you. Is it inappropriate to change talk page pings etc.? If that's ok to do, then I can just run a script through the whole site and fix all links to PseudoSkull. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 01:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
::The last time an admin changed names (Angr to Mahagaga), we left the signatures as they were on the talk pages and archives. The redirects from the rename cover things pretty well. Just check the Double Redirects page next time it's updated. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 01:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

==QuickTranscribe update==
{{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Update: Hey, sorry I haven't gotten back to you on this. I have been very busy with other projects (you know, 1928 talkies...).

Just to let you know though, I actually want to start looking into ways to improve the actual proofreading system within the Index (by lua and JS code), learn how ProofreadPage actually works on a technical level, write a new working Index page model, and try and lobby for my changes to be used on Wikisource. I would like to actually improve Wikisource's native process, rather than trying to use things like QT to work around its difficulties. So, let me know if you have any suggestions of things to read in relation to ProofreadPage, documentation etc. So I'll be working on some improvements (with patches) to propose to the MediaWiki folks, to try and make our proofreading process inherently more streamlined. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 05:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
*Sorry, the only knowledge I have is in HTML/CSS/MediaWiki (for template stuff) and Lilypond (for music). On that note, I’m working on “Sonny Boy” and the Hatch–Goodlatte Act now, and will get to “Heart O’ Mine” once I finish up “Sonny Boy.” [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

== The Man Who Laughs (Estes and Lauriat 1869) ==

Your move broke all the internal linkages in the headers.  Please fix those linkages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} What did it break, now? I left redirects for all the chapters. I don't see any red links anywhere. Are you wanting me to fix these so that they don't point to the redirects, or is something else broken? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 17:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} In some of the chapter headers, such as at [[The Man Who Laughs (Estes and Lauriat 1869)/Chapter 22]], it may at first superficially appear that the links are red, but if you use &quot;Hard Purge&quot;, this will go away. This also will go away on its own after a few days. But, let me know if that's what you're referring to. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 17:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
:: You need to make a &quot;null edit&quot; on each page.  Since you've posted the film to the Main page, people will visit the novel.  Having multiple redlinks throughout the work during this time is a serious issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
::: {{done}} and fixed links in TOC to point to the absolute title, as an added bonus. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 17:27, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

== [[:User:SnowyCinema/P/History of Catawba College]] ==

This was showing up as containing Fostered content. I assume its pending material for QuickTranscribe? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:28, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Yes it is, I'll try and get that squared away shortly. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 03:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)]] ==

Hi, {{user|Mayimbú}} has mofidied this page and has proposed the deletion of [[:File:Phantom of the Opera.webm]]. You may read [[:c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Phantom of the Opera.webm|Deletion request here]]. I don't think that it is necessary to keep both versions. We have the solution to:
* create another index using [[:File:The Phantom of the Opera.webm]];
* move the existing index;
* override the lower quality file in commons;
* or other suggestions?
[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 09:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]]. I'm for moving [[:Index:Phantom of the Opera.webm|the file's existing index]] but i just don't know how to do it (if it's done manually ''[[Page:Phantom of the Opera.webm/1|page]]-by-[[Page:Phantom of the Opera.webm/2|page]]'' or if there's a tool for that i ain't aware of). —[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 20:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
::Hi SnowyCinema, how do you suggest to name both versions? {{ping|Mayimbú}} there is a way to create the index, we have to be sure of the name and the date of these versions. According to the first sequence (the character with a lantern in the tunnels under the opera house) and the cast (Virginia Pearson's 1925 as the mother of Carlotta), it seems that it is the 1929 sound version without sound, as stated [https://www.silentera.com/video/phantomOfTheOperaHV.html there]. Please do not hurry. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 22:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
::: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} So let me get this straight. The currently transcribed version, now at [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)]], is the 1929 sound version except the sound was removed. And the version transcribed [[Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/The Phantom of the Opera (1925 HQ film)|here]] was an original 1925 version, and in HD, both with different intertitles? If I'm right in my assumption here, I'll go ahead with the moving process. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 18:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Hi, not exactly. In my understanding, both files [[:File:Phantom of the Opera.webm]] and [[:File:The Phantom of the Opera.webm]] are the same versions, reissued in 1929 (intertitles are the same); the 1925 version being [[:File:The Phantom of the Opera (1925) preview.webm]]. If you look the first 2 minutes, you will see titles which are replaced by a spoken explanation (muted) in the 1st and 2nd files. I have beginning to check the timing of the 2nd file, but the year 1929 may be a problem for the copyright? Shall we keep ''3'' versions? [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 18:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::::N. B. I suppose that the digitalization of 1st and 2nd files are done with different copies, the difference being only a sequence of 8 s. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 18:29, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} I did some research, and thankfully, I found [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig3101213li/page/56/mode/1up no] [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig3101213li/page/123/mode/1up evidence] [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig3111213li/page/54/mode/1up?view=theater of] [https://archive.org/details/catalogofcopyrig3111213li/page/117/mode/1up?view=theater renewal] of anything related to a 1929 restoration of this film. But even if there was, the versions we have are so similar to the original from 1925 that it wouldn't matter. So just to be sure, we're good to go on copyright.
: So my next question is, what would you like me to do with [[Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/The Phantom of the Opera (1925 HQ film)]], and the current index at [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)]]? I'll leave it up to you. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 18:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::In my opinion we could keep only the high quality version uploaded by Mayimbú. You may move the draft to a more appropriate name (&quot;HQ&quot; is not really good, may be &quot;reissued 1925 film)&quot;); then delete the old index and transcluded file. In a few weeks I'll recreate a new &quot;1925 film&quot; from file &quot;The Phantom of the Opera (1925) preview.webm&quot; which contains different intertitles. [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 19:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
:::The '25 version and '29 version are a misnomer. They're actually [https://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2013/12/versions-and-sources-of-phantom-of-opera.html 2 different prints]:
:::*The [[:File:The Phantom of the Opera.webm|Eastman Print]]: an abridged version of the 25 release which bears the continuity of the now-lost [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)#1929 reissue with sound|sound release]] (hence why Carlotta is portrayed by Mary Fabian instead of Virginia Pearson, which is assigned as his mother).
:::*The [[:File:The Phantom of the Opera (1925) preview.webm|Hampton Print]]: a reconstruction of the original release print from 16mm sources by John Hampton.
:::Copyright ain't a problem, since the protection for all content related to the film lapsed when Universal failed to renew the copyright in 1953.
:::—[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 00:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
::::OK {{ping|Mayimbú}}. In summary we should process [[Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film, Eastman print)]] using file &quot;The Phantom of the Opera.webm&quot; and remove from Wikisource [[Index:Phantom of the Opera.webm]] and related pages. Do you agree?[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 09:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::Fine, although the incoming inclusion of the Hampton Print ([[:File:The Phantom of the Opera (1925) preview.webm]]) transcript means that there must be a [[:Category:Versions pages|versions main page]] for the [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)|'25 film]]. —[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 22:51, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
::::::So [[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)]] will be changed to a version page as soon as the Eastman version is complete. --[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 08:56, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} I'll go ahead and create the versions page, if we're good to go with transcluding this new draft now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 02:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, SnowyCinema, this [[Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film, Eastman print)|new draft]] has been reviewed and is ready to process. When it is done will you replace the former ''[[The Phantom of the Opera (1925 film)]]'' by a version page?— [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 09:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:::Please import Eastman print, Hampton print is not ready.
::[[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit|talk]]) 13:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
::: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} Sorry, did the wrong one! I'll start over with Eastman then. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 13:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|M-le-mot-dit}} {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 14:42, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Phantom of the Opera (1925 film, Hampton print)]] ==

This is now a broken redirect. Is there any reason to keep it ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{Done}} Thanks for bringing this to my attention. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

== Page request for [[:File:The Last Warning 1928.webm]] ==

Was about to see the film &lt;s&gt;without being spoiled&lt;/s&gt; but i can't find [https://www.opensubtitles.org/en/search/sublanguageid-all/idmovie-754233 any subtitle file] in my native language, so i thought i could create an .srt file translated directly from the film transcript for my viewing, but there's no available transcript at the time. -- [[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 21:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Mayimbú}} Alright, I'll put this movie on my list for this week! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 03:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Index:Bad Girl (1929).pdf]] ==

Your last change created a Lua error. I have reveerted as I was not sure what you were trying to do. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
: Thanks for catching this. I'm not exactly sure how this happened. It's never supposed to use a status like &quot;yestadv&quot;, so I feel like what might have happened was that the &quot;no&quot; in &quot;notadv&quot; was somehow changed to a &quot;yes&quot;, instead of just making the progress &quot;yes&quot;. But I'm not sure how that is even possible. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 04:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
: Actually I think I see the problem now, and I fixed it so it shouldn't happen again. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 04:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

== The Flora of British India ==

I am really surprised how a technical person like you can do wonders with the old literary works. Rightly you have chosen Films and helping them in many ways. I am a Pathologist working in India, without much technical knowledge, started working in Wikisource. I have done some work with other Wikikedians and completed some large works related to Wars, Anthrapology, Literature and Medicine collaborating with some like minded people. They took lot of time. 
May I request you help me in the Project ''The Flora of British India''. The seven-volume work by [[Author:Joseph Dalton Hooker|Hooker]] is very authoritative in the field of Botany and Ethnomedicine worldwide. Can you QuickTranscribe the text into the content pages of these seven volumes running to around few thousand pages. The link is: The Flora of British India Vol 1.djvu
Thank you very much sir. [[User:Rajasekhar1961|Rajasekhar1961]] ([[User talk:Rajasekhar1961|talk]]) 06:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Rajasekhar1961}} Hi, unfortunately I believe my technology is not quite capable of works of such complexity as this one yet. My technology has mostly been tested on single-volume novels and short story collections from the early 20th century, and the technical nature of this work, looking at [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Flora_of_British_India_Vol_2.djvu/114&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1 this page] as a sample with many fractions and a complex hierarchy of sections, would make the transcription not so &quot;quick&quot;. I may look into it and see what I can do with it, if I could come up with some structure, but it wouldn't be much easier for me than it would be for you to be honest. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 06:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Rajasekhar1961}} Just to give you an idea, I believe one of the most complex nonfiction works I've completed to date with the technology would be ''[[Growing Up (de Schweinitz)|Growing Up]]'', a short children's education book, and it doesn't even have an index at the end (functionality I'm still building out). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 06:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
:: Thank you very much for taking time and study the material pages. I know it is Scientific data and more complex. Anyhow. Best of luck in your projects.--[[User:Rajasekhar1961|Rajasekhar1961]] ([[User talk:Rajasekhar1961|talk]]) 07:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Wikisource:Portal guidelines]] ==

This is a guideline written mostly by two people, not a policy or the result of consensus. We have a long history of not being a link farm, and Portals are first and foremost pages to guide users to the content we have.  Content we don't have is put onto the Requests listings or now the MC. ---[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It's also as much a matter of degree in cases.  Having one (as I left there) project currently under completion is fine.  On a long Portal, maybe two or three such red links.  But having 25% of a Portal consist of redlinks and offsite links is generally a bad look for us.  Such lists can be placed in User space, project pages, or Talk pages, but shouldn't be filling the Portal.  Doing so makes it difficult for people to use the Portal for its intended purpose of guiding readers to our hosted content. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} I find the way you framed this second comment to be fair, but the actual situation not indicative of how this is being framed. To say it looks bad if a lot of the portal page are red links is something I could understand—I still disagree but I do find sympathy in the argument—but there were only two out of many complete ones, and they seemed to be intended to facilitate transcription projects and not to just catalog bare listings. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 19:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:: The Portal has about 10-12 blue links.  And three (not two), red links were added, of which I kept one.  Three red links is a significant fraction on a Portal that short; on a longer Portal three or four would not be such an issue.  We have a history of this issue on Wikisource. Compare [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Odyssey&amp;oldid=12265261 this old version] of the versions page for ''[[The Odyssey]]''.  We have four translations.  But the old version had accumulated so many red links, it was impossible to tell which ones (if any) were housed here.  Add to that the fact that red is an eye-catching &quot;alarm&quot; color for those who can see red, which distracts from text in other colors, thereby making the problem worse.  The lengthy list of red links was moved to [[Talk:The Odyssey|the Talk page]] to avoid having a link farm page in mostly red. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
::: Fair to say that can look to be a problem, personally I tend to remove red links now and keep gray text where no scan is available for a version. But that's just my preference. Well, anyway, our documentation doesn't clearly prohibit this (in fact, more or less encourages it), so we can't blame new contributors for only doing what the documentation says to do, so I guess we just have bad documentation, then. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

== About SIC ==
At [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#Proposal_to_change_SIC_display]]. Are they voting for the {{tl|ls}} solution yet?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 19:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
: No, although I believe that's a complex issue that also needs to be reevaluated—specifically how I don't know. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 00:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
::I have been abusing SIC for years.  I like it.  I first type the fix and then I type what is there.  The first time the fix displayed, I said something like hot damn and left it that way.  So, to make it a style choice means that many of my SIC will act wrong in a more complicated way.  {{tl|ls}} provides the option to read with long s or have them converted to regular s (in the main space).  I like reading the long s.  There are a bunch of voices in my head that get activated.  Voice styles, that is.  Funny lisp voices from movies, radio, etc.  Its amusing.  I don't know if I understood what a long s is before poking around here.  I still don't really know what it is, but I have an opinion and experience with it.  SIC is, I like how it is.  It is optional.  The editor should know how to put SIC in, most of the stuff I work on will not lack for missing periods being added in.  But making it a user style option is interesting.  

::Can you ping me if they start to talk of making it a style option in Main?--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 12:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

== That email from me notification you're getting... ==

...is nonsense. cf. [[phab:T361860|T361860]] [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 09:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

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== [[Index:Folk-lore_of_the_Holy_Land.djvu]] ==

thanks for helping earlier with the Encyclopedia. Same problem with subjː '''Error: Invalid interval''', can you pease help again? - [[User:Tar-ba-gan|Tar-ba-gan]] ([[User talk:Tar-ba-gan|talk]]) 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
: Should be fixed now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 16:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
::Thanksǃ [[User:Tar-ba-gan|Tar-ba-gan]] ([[User talk:Tar-ba-gan|talk]]) 13:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
==Lawsuits==
The thing is, “lawsuit” is a general term, referring to the entire case. The edicts-of-government doctrine only applies to the work of the judge in any given case, and the document you sent me is the Second Amended Complaint, written by A.M.’s lawyers and copyrighted either by the lawyers or by A.M. The eventual court opinion in the case (and the images within that, if any) could be hosted, but not the complaint which is public record (as a document submitted in court) but not public domain (as a document produced by the judge). [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:Miriam Michelson|Miriam Michelson]]'s ''[[In the Bishop's Carriage]]'' ==

Hey. You might be interested in [[Author:Miriam Michelson|Miriam Michelson]]'s ''[[In the Bishop's Carriage]]''. Apparently it was adapted to film twice before 1929, in addition to existing in both serialized magazine form and an expanded novel edition. She's also (again, apparently, I'm not familiar with her) considered a somewhat feminist writer so it'd be a nice twofer to improve the gender imbalance in our coverage.{{pbr}}My own todo list is such that this would never surface, and I have limited interest in the subject matter and in transcribing films, but I figured this might be of interest to you. [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Xover}} Hey, good to hear from you again! On a quick glance, it looks like the 1913 film is not available online, and the 1920 one is a lost film, although the novel edition is probably something I'd be interested in doing. But, I'm very busy lately and haven't had time to work on WS projects for about 6 months. If you have anymore you'd like me to look into when I get back into &quot;Wikisource mode&quot; feel free to just send me them like you did here. I appreciate this! Gives me some motivation. :)  [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 18:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
==Freshie==
I’ve sent for a copy. I’m happy to proofread it when it comes. The University of California says that they digitized it, but if they actually did I can’t find it anywhere. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 16:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*This just came in: [[:File:Freshie (1925).pdf]]. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 04:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} Thank you! Any chance on a transcription soon? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 06:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

== [[:User:SnowyCinema/P/History of Catawba College]] ==

This was showing up as having fostered content.

Was it still content that was in use or pending? If so I suggest wrapping it with {{HTML|syntaxhighlight}} tags to remove it from Linter results. &lt;br&gt; [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 12:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

== Significant note to self ==

Develop an index page schema for films that would use the schema [[Page:Sandbox.webm/27:12]] for pages, make it automatically organize it both in Index and in transclusion. Could this be done with a template, or just Lua automatic? Look into. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
: It appears to be impossible to do this, due to Lua constraints on displaying pages with certain prefixes on the fly... That's thoroughly disappointing. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[Metropolis (film)]] ==

The version from which [[Metropolis (film)|the transcription comes from]] is not the original English release version adapted by [[w:Channing Pollock (writer)|Channing Pollock]]. Pollock's version had the character of Joh Fredersen renamed as &quot;John Mastermind&quot;.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7H6ZlbjwD4&amp;t=1924s ]

My guess is that the version in question is sourced from the {{abbr|MoMA|Museum of Modern Art}} print (it has the same typography as [[:File:Nosferatu (1922, English titles 1947).webm]] and [[:File:Ben Hur (1907).webm]]), which follows the continuity from [[w:Metropolis (1927 film)#Release and reception|the 1936 version]].[https://web.archive.org/web/20141016052747/http://www.fipresci.org/undercurrent/issue_0609/pena_metropolis.htm ]

Sadly, i can't find the Pollock cut online but, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp_zPaWUb5I uploaded] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxb3sUbKuFc in] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQWpipnHmc five] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJ5SVRlyN0 separate] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BauYSwBjRvg parts], there's a tinted australian print of the film (running 8,500 feet/2600 metres at 16 {{abbr|fps|frames per second}}, or about 143 minutes) which follows Pollock's continuity.[https://metropolis1927archive.blogspot.com/2023/04/metropolis-1927-section-5-film-35mm.html]

On a side note, i suggest to rename [[:File:Metropolis (1927).webm|the file]] as the English Wikipedia uses [[:w:File:Metropolis (1927).webm|a video file with the same name]]. ---[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 02:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Mayimbú}} Would this be a copyright concern? If it's the same compiler as ''Nosferatu'', that puts the print c. 1940s, and with no copyright notice, it'd still be in the public domain? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 03:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::Dunno, i failed to see in the video file any copyright notice but a title card which reads &quot;an UFA film made in 1925&quot;. --[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 03:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::: Feel free to change it anywhere you'd like. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 03:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I tried to rename the file, but it seems i'm not [[Special:MovePage/File:Metropolis_(1927).webm|allowed to move it]]. Can you try it for me instead?
:::: (just add the &quot;English titles&quot; caption after the year in parentheses like in [[:File:Nosferatu (1922, English titles 1947).webm|the Nosferatu file]]). --[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 05:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::::: I'll do this soon. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 06:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:In the meantime, i found [https://archive.org/details/metropolis-phantom-of-the-opera-loy-cook/Metropolis+1927+(Loy+Cook+Jr.+Score)+1991.mp4 another release of the same English version] which has better quality than the uploaded file but [[:Commons:Template:DistortedAspectRatio|its stretched]] and has different opening titles, whose typography and style has more in common to the already mentioned MoMA releases.
:Besides the similar length, the main differences is that it omits most of the opening animation, cutting right after the title card (did the proyectionist thought it was too overexposed to be read?), and the end title card (present in both [[:File:Nosferatu (1922, English titles 1947).webm|Nosferatu]] &amp; [[:File:Ben Hur (1907).webm|Ben Hur]] but w/ a different typography in the uploaded file) is missing.--[[User:Mayimbú|Mayimbú]] ([[User talk:Mayimbú|talk]]) 20:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

== Help!  Lyrics and music for a silent film  ==

I just got [[:File:Freshie (1925).pdf]] for image processing.  I went looking for the Broadway play/musical wikidata item for it and found only a silent film!

How does one integrate the music and lyrics for a silent film at wikidata?  

Maybe you just know, or maybe I figure it out while image processing.  I am voting for the former.  Thanks!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 14:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

:[[wikidata:Q131183538]] and the version [[wikidata:Q131183801]] if you would like to review and/or fix what I have done.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 22:53, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

== User:SnowyCinema/P/Socialism: Positive and Negative ==

Erm.  You can't use {{tl|right}} in a {{tl|ppoem}}, as it inttroduces a DIV inside the SPAN based formatting of a ppoem line.  I'm not sure how you would get the same effect though. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 23:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

== Old transcriptions in User Space.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=1674811&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=i&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A115%0D%0A107%0D%0A106%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A14%0D%0A12%0D%0A11%0D%0A9%0D%0A8%0D%0A10%0D%0A7%0D%0A6%0D%0A1%0D%0A2

Any chance of applying the mop and reducing the linter noise? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

In the last week so there's been a push to bring down the remainder of lints present.  One category I had a hand in went from something like 4000 down to 150, and I only stopped because I can't edit protected pages. 

It would of course be nice to rescue some of the abandoned transcriptions where possible. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|ShakespeareFan00}} Is there a reason we need to do this? See for example [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=649423752&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=2 Wikipedia] and [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=25770888&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=2 Wiktionary], which also have tons of userspace pages that are missing end tags, which appear to have never been cleaned up (maybe on purpose). I have occasionally blanked userspace pages with {{tl|Blanked userspace page}}, such as when I blanked all the userspace transclusions of {{tl|New texts}} (which were all done by users who hadn't been online in 5+ years) for the sake of cleaning up WhatLinksHere for those works. But that was much easier and less debatable per the &quot;unspoken wiki ethics&quot; of leaving user pages alone. I don't know if delinting user drafts should be a ''central focus'' of technical priorities. Is it worth all the effort, when other wikis seem not to have done this? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 07:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

: I'm actually more interested in seeing some of the User space transcriptions in ns0/ns104 backed by scans, than blanking, however I didn't have much luck in matching up some of them. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 09:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:A Message from President Donald J. Trump Jan 7 2021.webm/18]] ==

This page is not linked from the related index page - is it needed ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beardo}} Not really. It looks like what happened here is that somehow the same line got duplicated into two separate pages. In my long list of ongoing technical projects, one of my goals is to switch the way we do the page namespace pages in film entirely from /18 to /01:31 (to denote the timestamp), because for reasons like this, numeric indexing is unsustainable. Expect that this will be happening soon. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 03:39, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

== Orphaned pages ==

Just a reminder - the three pages - [[Page:Sandbox.webm]], [[Page:Sandbox.webm/00:07]] and [[Page:Sandbox.webm/00:09]]. (And now that I have linked them here, there are no longer orphaned.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beardo}} Those are sandbox pages, specifically tailored to film-related testing. Those are fine to be orphaned, no? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 04:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::No problem. I just wasn't sure if they were still wanted. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
==Re: requested text==
I had actually seen this the other day, but I was worried about copyright. Because it was written by the district attorney, it is an document originating in the executive, as opposed to a judicial opinion originating with the judge (in the judiciary). I would happy to proofread it if it is not copyrighted, however. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 00:08, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
*I could proofread [[:File:Signed complaint mangione.pdf]], if you’re interested, though. Also, how’s work on the public-facing QT system coming along? [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 22:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|TE(æ)A,ea.}} No problem, I see that [[Indictment of Luigi Mangione (New York)]] has already been transcribed and even validated. The signed complaint would be a really nice addition. And QT is undergoing an overhaul right now (slowly but surely), and test cases are soon to be implemented. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 16:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

== tagging as &quot;section resolved&quot; ==

Hello. I have [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource%3AProposed_deletions&amp;diff=14736896&amp;oldid=14733657 tagged] a discussion that you closed as &quot;resolved&quot;. Without this the bot would not archive it. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{ping|Jan.Kamenicek}} Thanks for letting me know! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 16:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

There are a few pages showing as broken redirects, I think to pages which have been deleted:
*[[User:PseudoSkull/Editnotice]]
*[[User:PseudoSkull/Safety Last!]]
*[[User:PseudoSkull/Seven Keys to Baldpate (1917 film)]] --
[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 21:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

== Plays formatting ==

Before you get too deep in creating lots of templates, may I ask how many plays you've proofread and formatted here?  Because there are some assumptions you seem to be making that do not hold.  Stage directions in a single play may be formatted in multiple ways, all within the same play.  I have edited plays where three different formats were applied to stage directions within a single scene.  There are lots of other things I could point out, but they mostly come back to the fact that you seem to assume that play formatting within a single play will be uniform and consistent, and that is not my experience with the plays I've proofread. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Thanks for letting me know, per your broader experience in this area. I am in fact only dipping my toes in play transcription, and was trying to see if my experiments with styling would pan out as I plan with a very small play—I'll clean up my own mess if it doesn't. Question: If there was any play you worked on, preferably a relatively simple one (not like the Yale ones which are quite hefty), that you think is in your opinion perfect to your standards, what work would you recommend I use as a model? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 18:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::One of the simplest I've done recently was Chekhov's ''The Boor''.  No poetical formatting, no indenting, and a stand-alone (not part of a larger volume).  But it's simple enough that I don't think additional templates would be required, and would likely make formatting more complicated to do and more challenging to proofread for someone else.
::Slightly more complicated is [[Craig's Wife (1926)]], which mixes stage directions and spoken dialogue, with line/paragraph breaks within a single character's lines.
::[[Rope (US 1929)]], the one I'm currently doing has further complications, such as formatting character names in all-small-caps regardless of whether they indicate a character's lines or appear in stage directions.  Stage directions also include both italicized and non-italicized text.  The stage directions are aligned in two different ways, with some of the right-aligned directions appearing floating at end-of-line for a wrapped or lengthy text, so that have to be placed on a separate line because of coding limitations. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::: I see. Well, I'll look over those, and also per your method simplify it 10 notches down, especially since working with all those templates was really hard anyway. I also deleted all the stage templates I made. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 19:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Way Down East, or, Portraitures of Yankee Life/Table of Contents]] ==

This redirect is to a page that was deleted. I assume that the redirect should be deleted too. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Beardo}} Thanks. I think {{tl|sdelete}} can be used for these. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 21:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

== Orphaned categories ==

Hi, these categories you created have no parents and so are lost in the tree. Can you please review and determine their best place?
* [[:Category:Facsimiles]]
* [[:Category:Intelligence]]
Thanks, [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:19, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 14:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

== Film transclusion (and note on doc) ==

(Documenting can be boring, true, but it is essential. You and I agree that we badly need more editors. If tools are in the &quot;someone wrote that up a while ago, and left one sentence about what it is&quot; state, then it discourages new users.)

Also, {{tl|time}} has an issue, which is that it is not counted as &quot;pages linked to&quot; by the pages tag. We have the choice of either always substing time, or continuing to use {{tl|page}}. I'd prefer the first option. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:09, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

:(oh and also, now I get why you wanted the &quot;go to timestamp&quot; button in MTV. I've found it really useful to rewatch a specific passage, especially as, since it's based on an input field, it's very easy to multiple times go back to a specific timestamp.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Alien333}} Do you know what might be causing {{tl|page}}, in that it's wrapped in a template, to not be linked to by &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;pages /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;? I'm interested to know, since I feel like there could be another workaround for this issue we haven't thought of yet? I lean towards substing, but I want to talk it through a bit first. What are your thoughts? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 15:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
:::On why {{tl|time}} is not recognized: after checking, quite simply, when you look at [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-ProofreadPage/blob/master/includes/Index/WikitextLinksExtractor.php#L22 the code], it just only searches for raw wikilinks. So not much doable on this side.
:::Thanks for adding the incomplete tag on Getting A Ticket (ought to be done auto eventually, as should basically everything, from the uplodaded file), but I'm pretty sure that it's the right title: check the title card at 00:10. The &quot;A&quot; is clearly the same size as the capitalised &quot;T&quot; next to it. It is also listed with a capital A at [[w:Eddie Cantor#Film and television]].
:::On a more general note, it's getting along well, and it's let me notice some errors that would have been a bother to fix later. I'd like if you could take a look around the UI (including the editing form), see if you have anything to add or comments. I'd like to see, with this method, how long it takes me to do ''Blackmail''. For reference, what time does it take you for a film of such a length (1h20)? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
:::: I'll get to this when and if I get less busy, thank you so much! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 15:14, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

== Question ==

Hi SnowyCinema!

I've just found about your &quot;QuickTranscribe&quot; and I'd like to ask: will it be available for general use anytime soon? Will it be available for more Wikisources? I'm an active user (and adm) of the Portuguese Wikisource and I think that your tool may come in handy (we've had something similar years ago, but its creator stopped using and updating it long ago) to expedite several projects (specially if the tool can handle archaic writing/letters, like in [[:pt:Descripçaõ do novo invento aerostatico|this work]]).

And if you are accepting suggestions for future works, I have some: [https://archive.org/details/iracmahoneylip00alenuoft/mode/2up Iracema] (which seems to be the first Brazilian novel translated in English - I may work on it someday, since I have a quite big list of ongoing projects, but it seems interesting for your tool); [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/007031049 Machado of Brazil] (according to Hathi Trust, it is in the US PD due to the lack of copyright renewal); [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.172790 The Way the World is Going], by Wells. Cheers, [[User:Erick Soares3|Erick Soares3]] ([[User talk:Erick Soares3|talk]]) 15:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Erick Soares3}} Hi! Thanks for taking interest in my project. Unfortunately, my motivation for actually coding the project further has consistently been showing that it will probably be quite a long time before it will be a tool that can be widely used (and I have been having internal debates as to how exactly it ''should'' be deployed as a general-purpose tool). Right now, the tool is mostly optimized for works that were published between the late 1800s and the early 20th century, and it's extremely difficult, or impossible in some cases, to use if the work doesn't have a simple, straightforward structure to it (like a novel with chapters, a short story collection, or a single essay by itself). I've been getting a lot of requests over the past few years to do more with QuickTranscribe, so I'll try to prioritize it and see what I can put together. And thanks for the requests—I'll look over those works and see if I can throw them into my queue! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe|QuickTranscribe]] feedback ==

I noticed something in your recent transcription of [[Index:The story of the Battle hymn of the republic (IA storybattlehymnr00halliala).pdf]]; in particular [[Page:The story of the Battle hymn of the republic (IA storybattlehymnr00halliala).pdf/8]]. The page numbering is specified as &quot;coloph&quot; and is presumable short for &quot;colophon&quot;, however {{w|colophon (publishing)|colophon}} is usually considered a part of the {{w|book design#Back matter (end matter)|back matter}} and not the {{w|book design#Front matter|front matter}}. I am assuming you meant {{w|edition notice}} (which I often abbreviate to &quot;EN&quot; in much the same way as I abbreviate &quot;illustration plate {{w|book frontispiece|frontispiece}}&quot; as &quot;IPFP&quot;; other {{w|tipped-in page|tipped-in}} full page illustrations I usually tag with &quot;IP&lt;{{var|facing page number}}&gt;&quot;). For a somewhat contemporary example (the image examples from the English Wikipedia page seem {{strong|ancient}}), I consider [[Page:Julia Ward Howe 1819-1910 (IA juliawardhowe18102laur).pdf/470]] from [[Index:Julia Ward Howe 1819-1910 (IA juliawardhowe18102laur).pdf]] to be a printer's/publisher's colophon (or &quot;PC&quot;; notice its position at the end of the volume and not the {{i|verso}} of the leaf with the title page). You might want to consider changing [https://github.com/PseudoSkull/QuickTranscribe/blob/1a3ed3ec1bcfd8548b105aaaead057ddf5c12038/handle_index.py#L16 QuickTranscribe: handle_index.py, line 16] since &quot;coloph&quot; probably does not mean what you think it does. In a similar fashion, I prefer differentiating &quot;bastard title&quot; vs. &quot;half-title&quot; in the way quoted by Theodore Low De Vinne on {{w|half-title}} (so &quot;bastard title&quot; is more a &quot;front matter&quot; item and &quot;half-title&quot; a &quot;body matter&quot; item), so I consider [[Page:Wisdom of the Wilderness (1923).pdf/5]] from [[Index:Wisdom of the Wilderness (1923).pdf]] a &quot;bastard title&quot; whereas [[Page:Wisdom of the Wilderness (1923).pdf/11]] is a &quot;half-title&quot;. That definition is not universal though (many do not care for the term &quot;bastard title&quot; and so the two things get conflated easily). I might have to look at QuickTranscribe more. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 18:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Uzume}} Hmmm, I appreciate the feedback. QuickTranscribe always outputs the same thing for every kind of a page on an index. This was done deliberately, for situations exactly like this, where something like &quot;colophon&quot; might not be the most accurate descriptor—so a script that ran across all indexes using &quot;coloph&quot; could easily change that. And that's an interesting bit of information. I'd never heard the word &quot;bastard title&quot; before—though I have a bias of hesitation in using it unless it's the only choice of words available, given the use of the word ''bastard'' in the phrase (the first thing people think of when they see &quot;bastard&quot; is &quot;jerk&quot;, &quot;asshole&quot;, lol). But this is just a preliminary analysis based on what you've told me so far. I'll look into it more deeply when I get the chance! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 18:29, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: Well, when I think of &quot;jerk&quot; when referring to a person I think of {{w|soda jerk}}. And your hesitation to use &quot;bastard&quot;  is one of the reasons I abbreviate it as &quot;BT&quot;. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 18:33, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::(As a side note, it's been done in many ([https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&amp;limit=500&amp;offset=0&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns100=1&amp;ns102=1&amp;ns106=1&amp;ns114=1&amp;search=Index%3A+insource%3A%2F%5B%5E0-9%5D%5B0-9%5D%3D%5BCc%5Doloph%2F 542]) indexes around the site, and not only by QT, to call &quot;colophon&quot; something that's in the front matter, including cases when that page contained only copyright info.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: On the &quot;half-title&quot; vs. &quot;bastard title&quot; issue: At least [[w:Half-title|according to Wikipedia]], ''half-title'' doesn't appear to be ''strictly incorrect'' in labelling both instances of a small title page. &quot;The purpose of the half-title page is to protect the '''full title page''' and '''its traditional counterpart''', the frontispiece, during the bookbinding process.&quot; But [[Author:Theodore Low De Vinne|Theodore Low De Vinne]], in his 1900 work ''[[The Practice of Typography]]'' (I looked at the scan of this work out of curiosity, and ''oh boy'', this would be one of the hardest transcriptions to do on the entire site... I don't even know where I'd begin with it...), gave either his own personal (though perhaps well-founded) opinion on the matter, or he reflected the academic consensus on the terms ''in '''1900''''', that &quot;bastard titles&quot; and &quot;half-titles&quot; are concepts needing to be distinguished. Since it's been 125 years, this consensus (if it existed then) may well have changed—it's enough time for the word to have legitimately evolved to umbrella both page positionings within a book's front matter.
:::: I'd be interested in exploring this further, but at the very least it ''appears to me right now'' that there's enough modern literary consensus to allow &quot;half-title&quot; to be used to describe both pages. Although I will say I also found that there ''is'' an alternate term that could be used instead &quot;bastard title&quot;, which is &quot;fly-title&quot;, so I think if necessary, the word &quot;half&quot; for pre-title-page material could be changed to &quot;fly&quot; later. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 00:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

== Slightly overzealous esl removal ==

See [[Special:Diff/14917353]]. I presume that it removed the esl because it was on the same line, but that esl wasn't for that work, it was the source for another work mentioned on the same line. Maybe don't remove the esl if there's a pipe between it and the title? Don't think that would bring too many false negatives. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
: Yeah... That was an automated response that was hard for me to catch in the moment. Thanks for seeing it for me! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 23:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

== Proofreading method ==

Hi, I just want to know what your proofreading method is, i. e. how you are able to proofread so fast. Like, do you fully read both the OCR text and the scan, fully read one but not the other, skim both, etc. What do you look for when looking at the scan, and what do you look for when looking at the OCR text? My proofreading method has been to first skim the scan for italics and the things that Google OCR misses--paragraph breaks, quotations marks, and em dashes--and then to (speed)read the OCR text to check for typos and to make sure the lines start and end correctly. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 21:40, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|Prospectprospekt}} Hi! Good to hear from you again. My proofreading method is mostly what you said, but with some extra variables.
:: '''Do I skim or do I fully read?''' Honestly, it's pretty much all skimming. The only time I ever find myself reading the full content as I would aloud is if I really have to: for example, if I'm formatting a chart, or there are italics and accent marks like every other word for a couple pages, or something else really hard to do. I've trained my eye at how to find typos, scannos, formatting inconsistencies, etc. That's honestly most of what I'm looking for. ''Surprisingly'', I generally end up remembering a good bit of the content's meaning—sometimes, when I go and fully read a chapter or two of a text I completed, I'm surprised at how much of the actual content I remember from only spending ~ 5 seconds per page checking for errors. Subconscious memories are amazing like that! You learn stuff even when you're not trying!
:: '''But, it's not always as quick as it seems because my method is extremely exhaustive.''' I've built software that accounts for how a work will be treated on Wikidata, Wikimedia Commons, and various different parts of this site (indexes, page namespace, even author and disambiguation pages though this is in the early stages of development). And a lot of that, especially Wikidata, is like ''Wikisource post-game bonus round'' kinda stuff. So it takes extra time to make sure it's all correct.
:: What might most interest you specifically is that I do a whole bunch of pre-proofreading and post-proofreading cleanup on texts, in stages. This is a programmatic approach to cleaning up the content before and after proofreading, so that proofreading itself is quicker and more accurate. I treat all works as one big cluster of text, and work with them as a large unit, and split out the pages after to go in the Page namespace.
:: '''My proofreading process in rough stages:''' Stage 1: Get the OCR for the whole work (in one single block of text). Stage 2: Clean up the OCR with regexes and stuff to get it ready for fast proofreading on a single page. (This is for stuff like getting rid of all the page header gunk that OCR always messes up, formatting the chapter titles ahead of time ''en masse'', etc.) Stage 3: Do the actual proofreading, as in the page-by-page reviewing of the full book. I usually save the front and back matter for last and do the content first. Stage 4: Post-proofreading processing. This is where I use code that finds errors I ''missed'' during proofreading (maybe I left an OCR symbol here, a four-consonant bit of garbledigook there, and my code finds that kind of stuff with logic), and it even finds other cool stuff like [[Template:Hinc|hyphenation inconsistencies]] across the book (which are almost impossible to catch unless you literally search the text as a whole technologically). Stage 5: Automatically parse the text that's there into MediaWiki formatting (since I proofread most of it in the &quot;QT markup language&quot; that I invented, which I specifically designed so you can type formatting and stuff out faster than most MediaWiki templates or HTML formatting could ever be typed).
:: {{sm|There are actually like 15 stages to my process, but these are the ones most relevant to ''proofreading''—the rest will be documented later.}}
:: '''Public access to the QuickTranscribe software has now been requested like 5 times in the past year if you haven't noticed. :p No, but THANK YOU GUYS. It means I NEED TO ACTUALLY GET TO WORK.''' And I haven't made time to start '''Phase 2''' of QuickTranscribe's development, which is to clean up my code base (MASSIVELY) and make a user interface so that other people can try using it instead of it just being a power tool hoarded by just me.
: All right, I'll make a date. '''April 1st''' is arbitrarily the latest date I just now decided in which I'm going to start working on Phase 2. {{sm|(That means I need to actually do the music sheets I promised Uzume sometime before that.)}} So uh, yeah, I appreciate all the interest in ''that''.
: And as for your original question (which I ''may'' have strayed away from on a wild tangent at the end there), I hope my insight here was helpful to you. Happy proofreading! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 08:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

== Rh styling ==

Just noticed that note on your page, and I thought you may be interested to know that &lt;code&gt;.wst-rh-left&lt;/code&gt;, &lt;code&gt;-center&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;-right&lt;/code&gt; are available to select certain columns of 3-column {{tl|rh}}s, so you don't have to bother with &gt; and nth-child. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

== a confession ==

Since I lived in this community, I downloaded and burned to disc a copyrighted movie.  It was &quot;An Inconvenient Truth&quot; by Al Gore.  My mom asked me for it, and I did it.  She had wanted to see it but it never showed itself in the world in which she can see.  

In this movie, the mathematician of the house was horrified.  Al Gores units were wrong.  He had an x,y graph, the y side {axis)  was cars sold.  The x side (axis) was France, Germany, Chevrolet, Italy, Japan.  That mathematician knew he was in a variety of hell that was tailored for him by people who did not know his measure.

I believe that me and my family have suffered enough through all of this.  My mom just wanted to see the movie.  And if Al Gore reads this, he should know that we are even up for the &quot;math lesson/illegal download&quot; and reproduction of.

Thank you this, your time, for my confession.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:31, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

== Astrology ==

Do you have a page numbering script?  It might save time. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 16:32, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
: I'm not too available right now, but I'll handle it for you when I get back. Thanks for validating by the way! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 19:23, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

==On retiring scan requests==
I’ll answer the second question first: I have been using interlibrary loan (ILL) to fulfil the scan requests. I asked the ILL librarian for the books in question, and then she sent that request out to other public and university libraries. When one of them agrees to ship the book, it gets loaned to my library, which in turn loans in to me. I scan it, and then return it to my library, which then ships it back to the original library. I had been using my local university’s ILL system (which was free), but was informed (when I requested ''Meet the Tiger'') that it was no longer possible to make requests. I have considered using my local ''public'' library’s ILL system, but I believe that they charge for the privilege: I am not sure how, though. I will have to curtail my activities to some extent if there is any cost involved, but especially so if it quite expensive. (Your public library likely also has ILL capabilities: see [https://www.oclc.org/en/contacts/libraries.html here] to check if it’s connected with the system.) It would be nice to have a central location for people to request scans, especially if we could get a geographic spread of us who were willing to go to nearby universities to scan—but I know that’s a stretch. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== Probably redundant note on tagging multiple noms ==

You very, ''very'' probably already know this, but just in case: when making multiple-work nominations, give {{tl|delete}} the discussion name as first argument so that it links to the correct section. Again, probably you just forgot that time; but I suppose it doesn't hurt checking. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:53, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

== US local geography Portals ==

I discovered recently that &quot;local US geography&quot; is class '''F''' on the LoC Classification, but we have it under '''E'''.  And we have US History and such under '''F''', but the LoC has it under '''E'''.

So, whoever set up our system got '''E''' and '''F''' reversed.  There are  anumber of issues with any procedure involving a swap, and I'm not sure how best to get a correction started, but as you're the most active with these Portals, I thought I'd start the conversation with you. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{ping|EncycloPetey}} Hi, thanks for sharing this. So, I just looked into it and it appears that if you put &quot;E&quot; into the &lt;code&gt;class&lt;/code&gt; field of {{tl|Portal header}}, it will display &quot;States of the United States&quot;, and if you put &quot;F&quot;, it will say &quot;American History&quot;. This appears to be dictated by what's in the data at [[Module:Library of Congress Classification/data]].
: To do a swap on everything, it would probably require this kind of procedure:
:# Change the data in the Module so that E and F are switched. I'm also not sure why &quot;local US geography&quot; became &quot;States of the United States&quot; so maybe a &quot;local US geography&quot; portal should be created too?
:# A bot should go through all the instances of E in the Portal namespace and replace them with F and vice versa.
: [[Module:Library of Congress Classification/data]] was originally created by [[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] in early 2024, but I suspect the data used for the template was already there somehow before the Portal header was Luafied. Calendula: Any thoughts? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 22:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
::Of course, the problem with step 2 is making sure that, once swapped, it does not show up again in the reverse swap and get switched back. There are also the classification values on the Talk pages in {{tl|portal review}}. And there are a few places I know that will need to be manually switched. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 22:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Yep, I grabbed the classes from [[Special:PermanentLink/11595551]]. It looks like the swap happened at some point in 2010.
:::I suggest:
:::# Update [[Module:Library of Congress Classification/data]]
:::# Manually review and update the pages that link to either portal and don't use {{tl|portal header}}: https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35120762
:::# Go through https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35120856 and replace &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;| class = F&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; (or the equivalent with different spacing) with &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;| class = E&lt;!--updated class--&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; (I checked, this is not a comment already in use)
:::# Go through https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=35120871 and replace &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;| class = E&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; (or the equivalent with different spacing) with &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;| class = F&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; &lt;strong&gt;unless&lt;/strong&gt; it's followed by &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;!--updated class--&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;
:::—[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 10:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Are we agreed to proceed?  I can do the first two steps, since they will need to be done manually anyway, but it would be better for the latter two steps if someone can perform them via a script.
::::Also note: in the latter lists, there are some links that ''do'' have the template but are ''not'' linking via that template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
::::: Give me a little time to write the scripts, then I will. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 15:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 20:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::We will need to go through an manually check some things.  I see an error at [[Portal:Portals]], for example, where the letter was changed, but bit E &amp; F are now listed as &quot;American History&quot;.  There may be additional problems on pages that link to both E and F. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:01, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I fixed that. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema#top|talk]]) 21:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
::The Portal:Talk boxes (where they exist) also remain to be updated.  For example, [[Portal talk:Puerto Rico]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Probably just run the same replacement script on these pages which use {{tl|portal review}}:
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:::—[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

== Florida ==

Good catch of my error, thanks! [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 04:11, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

== He Who Gets Slapped ==

We are transcribing the play for this month's MC, but there seems to be a 1924 adaptation &quot;American silent psychological thriller tragedy film&quot; with a WP article and a copy of the film at Commons.  See [[:commons:Category:He Who Gets Slapped (film)]].  What do you think about making the film available here as well?  Is that something you'd have the time to do? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 04:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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command during the entire oampaign, and I think that everything that could possibly have been done was executed by the command of Major-General Lee.

My thanks are due General Ferguson for his gallantry, energy and prompt compliance with all orders, while temporarily under my command. To my brigade commanders, General Adams, General Roes and Colonel Starke my thanks are especially due for efficiency and zealous discharge of every duty and their noble bearing on the field.

Too much praise cannot be bestowed upon the heroic spirits who follow them I respectfully refer to the detailed reports of the brigade commanders for the losses, captures, &amp;c.

I would call the attention of the Major-General commanding especially to that portion of General Ross's report referring to the capture of Yazoo city, which I consider a perfect success.

My thanks are also due the members of my staff, Captain George Moorman, A. A. G., Captain Thomas B. Sykes, A. L. G., Major W. R. Paul, Q. M., Major A. P. Glover, 0. S., Major I. F. Simmons, Paymaster, for gallantry and efficiency on the field. 

My aid de camp, Lieutenant James R. Orump, was killed while gallantly leading my escort company in a succeseful charge against a party of marauding Yankees near Sharon, Miseissippi, February 26th 1884. He was a brave and noble officer.
Very respectfully,

W. H. JACKSON,

Brigadier-General Commanding

To Major Wm. Elliott, A. A. and 1. General

REPORT OF GENERAL BICHABDSON.

HEAd-quAbTEBs WeST TenNesSEE BbIgade,

BEntOn, Miss., March 7th, 1864.

Major,-On the 28rd of February, I received an order from Major General S. D. Lee, commanding cavalry west of Alabama, to move my brigade to Grenada &quot;for the protection of the public property at that point, and to guard against raids from Yazoo City.&quot;

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Father and I went down to camp, along with Captain Goodwin,
And there we saw the men and boys as thick as hasty pudding.

{{gap}}Yankee Doodle keep it up, Yankee Doodle dandy,
{{gap}}Mind the music and the step, and with the girls be handy.

And there was Captain Washington, upon a slapping stallion,
A-giving orders to his men—I guess there was a million.

&gt;&gt;Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

And there they had a swamping gun, as big as a log of maple,
On a deuced little cart—a load for father's cattle.

&gt;&gt;Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

But I can't tell you half I see, they kept up such a smother:
So I took my hat off, made a bow, and scampered home to mother.

&gt;&gt;Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.
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Ye gallant sons of Liberty,
{{em}}Who bravely have defended
Your country's right, by land or sea,
{{em}}And to her cause attended.
{{em|3}}Yankee Doodle is the tune
{{em|4}}The Americans delight in.
{{em|3}}It will do to whistle, sing and play,
{{em|4}}And just the thing for fighting.

Upon the ocean's wide domain
{{em}}Our tars are firm and true, sirs,
And Freedom's cause they will maintain,
{{em}}With Yankee Doodle doo, sirs.
{{em|8}}Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

The Fourth day of July, 'tis said,
{{em}}That day did Britain rue, sirs,
When an independent tune we play'd,
{{em}}Call'd Yankee Doodle doo, sirs.
{{em|8}}Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

Columbia's sons did then declare
{{em}}They would be independent,
And for King George they would not care,
{{em}}Nor yet for his descendant.
{{em|8}}Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

British tars think that they can
{{em}}Whip Yankees one to two, sirs,
But only give us man to man,
{{em}}They'll see what we can do, sirs.
{{em|8}}Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.

Yankee Doodle, boys, huzza!
{{em}}Down outside up the middle.
Yankee Doodle, fa so la,
{{em}}Trumpet, drum and fiddle.
{{em|8}}Yankee Doodle, &amp;c.
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it  account. Th re;st arresting figures are those 
relating to matches. They show to what a remarkable 
extent Japan was able to capture the Indian market for this 
commodity. In this connection the following remarks taken 
from ho Review of Trade of India for 1914-15 will be found 
illuminating. 
&quot;Until recently ma;ohes 'made in Sweden' or 'made in 
Norway' monopolised the Indian market, but cheap Japanese 
Matches have since 1912-1 been a tormidable competitor. 
The influx o! Japanese matches has erormously increased 
owing, it is said to (1) oheap freights, () existenoe of a 
Japanese league of manufacturers and shippers, and (3)the 
formation of a regular servioe sailing from Japan to Caloutta 
vii Rangoon. Japan has now oaptured the major portion of 
the Indian matoh trade. Imports from Sweden and Norway 
continue to show a noioeable decrease. The reason is that 
Japanese matches are very much cheaper han Swedish 
matches. The monthly-average ('o! import from Japan ) for 
the last four months of 1914-15, showed au increase of 221 
per cent as against the corresponding period o! the previous 
year.&quot; This is how a practical people backed by a practical 
Government set about .heir business. No amount o! mere 
talking, even though supported by commissions, can help to 
industrialize a oou. try. 
The following table gives some details about Japanese 
imports from us :--- 
VALU OF CHIsF CO.IMODTI8 I.PORTED FRO.! INDIA. 
Commodity 
Rco ... 
Indigo ... 
Cotton, Raw ... 
Flax, Hemp, Jute and 
China grass ... 
Wool ... 
Oil-ake ... 
1918 
20,080,917 
01,488 
14.%089,17fl 
1,158,058 
5,888 
1,912,084 
1914 
7,465,677 
20,899 
141,447,591 
8f1,.11 
12,408 
1,269,888 
1915 
64 7,874 
146,024 
189,704,522 
1,-80,548 
5,650 
511,572 
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En terminant sa lettre M. Thomas fait observer avec raison que les deniers de 
Louis VIII. confirment 1'exactitude d'une ancienne charte qui reportait, vers 1225, 
la fondation ou la restauration de la Madeleine de Bernay. 
Maintenant on nous demandera peut-etre h quoi pouvaient servir ces pieces si 
nombreuses qui paraissent avoir 6t6 plac6es it dessein aupres du corps de religieux 
ou de Idprcux du moyen-age. Nous avouons franchement ne pas le savoir, et nous 
attendrons du temps et de faits bien observes 1'explication de ce mystere. Mais 
avant tout nous croyons devoir ecarter toute pense'e de naulum et de Barque a 
Caron, cette interpolation nous paraissant trop contraire aux id6es chr6tiennes du 
moyen-age, et nos 6tudes sepulcrales ne nous ayant encore rien reVe'le' de pareil. 
Pour 1'admcttre nous attendrons qu'elle soit plus autorisee. 1 
Le locteur comprondra que nous avons d'autant plus raison d'dcarter du place- 
ment do cos monnaios toute idee paienue qu'il s'en est rencontre&quot; jusque dans le 
corcuoil dcs saints canonist's par 1'Eglise llomaine ; ainsi lorsque le 22 Octobre, 
isis, on trouva a Assiso, en Italie, le cercuoil de St. Fra^ois, on recueillit dans 
1'intoriour huit monnaios d'argent du xii c siecie. b Le fondateur des Ordres Mendiants 
etait mort lo 4 Octobro, 122G. 
II no nous roste plus qu'un mot a ajoutor sur les monnaies couples par moitie' 
ou par quart qui ont (He trouvoos ;i la Madoloine. Nous savions qu' a l'6poque 
llomaine ot qu' si 1'epoque Franque, dos monnaies antiques avaient 6t6 parfois 
coupees on doux ou on plusiours portions. En 1847 M. Lindenschmit a trouve&quot; 
un quart de monnaic d'argent sur un guerrier de Selzon, pres Mayence. En 1827 
M. Foret a recueilli dos as coupe's clans lo tomboau de chef Romain de la cit6 de 
Limes (iv siecle). d M. D'Osmoy en a rencontre en 1851 dans les sepultures 
Franques de Guiry (Seine et Oisc). Nous meme en avons recueilli dans le 
cinu-tiore Merovingicn d'Envermou. c 
Mais il y a trois ans nous n'cn connaissions point d'exemples pour le moyen-sge. 
A present nous pouvons en citer deux ; celui de Bernay, re'veMe' par M. Metayer, 
et celui de &quot;Worcester, en Angloterre, raconte&quot; par M. Akerman. Les pieces 

a Je n'ignorc pas toutefois que plusieurs autcurs, entrc autres LK-grand d'Aussy, ont era remarquer parmi 
les K-pulturc's cWticnnes du moyen-uge des traces du Nolum en France. Des Sepultures Nationales, p. 89 44. 
Voir aussi Simon, Notice sur des Sepult. Antiq. p. 5. Nainur, Public, de la Soc. Arch&amp;&gt;l. du Luxembourg, t. 
Tiii. p. 46 Joly, Antiq. Celto-Gerni. et Gallo-Kom., p. 166-67. 
b Godescard, Vie des P6res, des Martyrs, etc., Supplement, p. 490, edition de 1824. 
c Lindenschmit, DM Germanische Todtenlager bei Selzen, planche generale No. 21. 

d Feret, Souscription pour la recherche et la decouverte des Antiq. dans 1'arrond. de Dieppe, p. 9. 
Catalogue de la Bibliotheque publique de Dieppe, p. 844. 
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1M1 87 A. 37 circa 10. Martij, paulo post duce Somerset! &amp; alios, carcere ego et reliq 1 
liberati sumus. 25 Maij cu Epo Elien et Marchione Northampton missus su 
legatus in Galliam p nuptiis regis Edoardi. Augusto Mense redij, paulo postq, 
cessavit Sudor in Anglia. 
Et in hujus Anni initio ccopi Ankerwicu a'dificare. 
A&quot;. 38. 22 Jan. Dux Somerset) decapitatus. Circa pentecoste vocatus cora 
consiliariis &amp; in perpetua cotCtione cu socijs JEton. Circa Michis festu dux 
North. &amp; alij proceres mecu pransi sunt in JEton Collegio cu sumo honore 
et accusatoj meox infamia ac dedecore me absoluerut 6i calunia. 
Et toto hoc Anno Ankerwicu sedificabaf. 
A&quot; 1553&quot; 39 Mortuus est Rex Edoardus, Julio mense 6 die. 
Mri- i. Mortua et uxor mea chariss. 3 August, eo die quo Regina Maria Londinu ingressa 
est. 
Atq, isto ano finis impositus est Ankeruici axlificationj. 
A- I554 h 40 Circa Maiu mensem aut paulo post quasi sponte cessi praepositura .Ktmi. &amp; 
decanatu Carleol. &amp; habui pencoem a Regina C u p an. 23 Julij inter 9 am ac 
l() a ' n mane duxi I'hilippam uxore, qua? circa 2&quot; aut 3 am p' meridiem die 21 
ciusdem mensis arrabone anulox accepit quasi nuptia^ noTe, vt tu p'mu ptenus 
adparerot consensus. 
Regina nupta regi Philippo 25. Julij. 
A 15554o 41 Circa Mouses Octob. No. et Deceber vehemCtissimus ardor et desideriu me in- 
cessit astrologiam discendj ut vix noctu ppter illud studiu conq'escerem, 
cuiuamodi etiam cupiditaa ano ut coiectabam 20. aut 21 meac aetatis 
me inuasit. 
[The preceding portions of those annals (except various insertions) appear to 
have been written atone time; and the entries which follow to have been added 
at several subsequent periods, but not always when the events occurred.] 
Januario mense, nocte eadcm q d coiucta est, tonitru maximu &amp; fulgetrae, tota 
fere nocte; fulminauit autcm octo continuis ante noctibus, sed apud nos non 
tonabat. Mouse Februario, die xij a , ho. 8 a . ante merid. leui ictu perstrinxi genu. 
consutu vulnus cito coaluit, d tu $ iugebatur in K. 9 February cu C rursus 
erat in K intumuit iteru genu, cu dolore. 
Montaula axlificauj. 
Hoc ano pater mortutis cst, et frater natu maior. 
155&gt;' 44 ^Edificaui ad hue mentis aulam. 
Mortua regina Maria, 17. No. 
KliMbeth 1&quot;. 
.;.:. 45 
150&quot; 48 
151 47 
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slight variations in form being evidently due to carelessness ; they may be thus 
represented in the corresponding Hebrew characters : 
ron 1 ? ran 1 ? 
ton hyib -ivbi 
T1J BV 
and may be rendered &quot; To the Lady Tanith Pen-Baal [Face of Baal], and to the 
Ix&gt;nl Baal-Ilamon, the vow of ... .&quot; 
Before considering the other portions of the inscriptions, it may be well to 
make a few remarks on this formula. The meaning of the first two words, and 
their application to the goddess Tanith seem to be undoubted. The Abb Barges 
has indeed suggested transferring the fifth letter to the end of the first word, 
but as his reading is based on his having mistaken the h (lamed) for a 3 (nun), 
an error clearly shown by Mr. Davis' inscriptions, this suggestion has no weight. 
The next word was read by Gesenius ihyihi, and translated by him &quot;et hero.&quot; 
.M.de Sauley* has however proposed reading the first character D (pe) instead 
of i (vau), and the second 3 (nun) instead of h (lamed), making Pen-Baal, 
&quot; lace &quot; or &quot; manifestation of Baal,&quot; as a title for Tanith. b The next letter 
(the fourteenth) was read by Gesenius and others 3 (nun), and by the Abbe 
Barges 3 (eaph) ; but it has been more correctly read by M. de Saulcy c as 
i (van) ; a reading completely borne out by the new inscriptions, in which the 
letter in question preserves its peculiar character, and shows itself quite distinct 
from the letters 2 (caph) and 3 (nun). With regard to the two next words 
ton $&gt;r3&gt;, &quot;to Baal llamon,&quot; all the commentators seem to agree; but the two 
following have given rise to much difference of opinion, and they are unfor- 
tunately of great importance with regard to the meaning of the inscriptions. 
All seem to approve of dividing them into TO v*. Quatremere* interprets 
them hoc quod vocit ; Lindberg, e quisque vovit ; Gesenius, vir vovens ; De 
Saulcy, est res coto promissa ; Judas, basis sepultures ; Barges approves of the 
older reading by Quatremere ; I have ventured to take the simpler form, &quot; the 
vow of.&quot; 
Such is the formula which occurs in a more or less perfect condition in the 

*r1 Revue Archeologique, 1846, torn. iii. p. 632. 
*r2 The correction with regard to the nun is confirmed by Mr. Davis's inscriptions. 
*r3 Revue Archeologique, 1846, torn. iii. p. 630. 
*r4 Memoire sur 'juelquea inscriptions Puniques. Nouv. Journ. Asiat. torn. i. p. 15 (1828). 
*r5 De inscr. Melitonti. Copcnh. 1828.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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luminosa culmina, maris salubria flamina, inferorum deplorata silentia, nutibus 
meis dispense. Cujus numen unicura, multiformi specie, ritu vario, nomine 
multijugo totus veneratur orbis. Me primigenii Phryges Pessinunticam nomi- 
nant Deum matrem ; hinc Autochtones Attici Cecropiam Minervam ; illinc 
fluctuantes Cyprii Paphiam Venerem ; Cretes sagittiferi Dictynnam Dianam ; 
Siculi trilingues Stygiam Proserpinam ; Eleusinii vetustam Beam Cererem : 
Junonem alii, Bellonam alii, Hecatam isti, Rhamnusiam illi ; et qui nascentis 
Dei Solis inchoantibus illustrantur radiis ./Ethiopes, Ariique, priscaque doctrina 
pollentes ^Egyptii, ccerimoniis me propriis percolentes, appellant vero nomine 
Reginam Isidcm.&quot; After thus setting forth her titles, she gives him directions how 
to rid himself of his asinine form, and exhorts him to become one of her priests. 
There can be little doubt then that Tanith is to be looked upon as the great 
goddess of Carthage, the Ccelestis, Urania, or Juno of the Romans.&quot; Her temple 
is supposed to have been situated on an eminence in close proximity to the Hill 
of St. Louis or Byrsa, and a little to the north of it, near a spot marked by 
Falbe o. 53. It vas of great size and magnificence, surrounded by shrines dedi- 
cated to all the gods related to her. b The hieron or sacred inclosure was in 
Roman times no less than two miles in extent. It would even appear from Silius 
Italicus and others, that it contained the temple and grove of Kronos or Saturn. 
In A.I). J{{)9 this hieron, which had been long closed, and become overgrown 
with thorny bushes, was cleared out, and the temple consecrated to Christ, the 
Bishop Aurelius placing his scat on the spot once occupied by the statue of 
Cu-lestis. During the reign of Constantius III. (A.M. 421) all the temples were 
rased, and the ground converted into a cemetery. The street leading to the 
shrine and temple, which had been known as the Via Coelestis, was shortly 
afterwards destroyed by the Vandals. d 
The continuous worship of the goddess of Carthage may perhaps be inferred from 
the history of her veil or peplos. In the Mirabiles Auscultationes, usually 
ascribed to Aristotle, we find the following passage : e &quot; They say that a garment 
was made for Alcimenes, the Sybarite, of such magnificence, that at the Panegyry 

*r1 St. Ambrose says, &quot;Quem Cœlestem Afri, Mitram Persje, plerirjue Venerem colunt pro diversitate  nominis, non pro nuniinis varietate.&quot; Epist. 1, xviii. 30. Sec also Hurodian, lib. v. 
*r2 &quot; Omnium deoruni suorum sedibus vallatum.&quot; Liber de promissis et pncdictionibus, part iii. c. xxxviii.  44 ; ascribed to S. Prosper of  Aquitaine, and printed with his works.  c Liber de prom, et pnedict., part iii. c. xxxviii. The writer seems to have been present at the consecration. 
*r3 Victor Vitensis, De Persec. Vandal, lib. i. c. iii. 
*r4 Mirab. Auc. No. xcvi. Some editions read &quot; Alcisthenes.&quot; See also Athenseus, lib. xii. c. 58, who adds that it was described by Polemo in a treatise on the sacred garments at Carthage.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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luminosa culmina, maris salubria flamina, inferorum deplorata silentia, nutibus 
meis dispense. Cujus numen unicura, multiformi specie, ritu vario, nomine 
multijugo totus veneratur orbis. Me primigenii Phryges Pessinunticam nomi- 
nant Deum matrem ; hinc Autochtones Attici Cecropiam Minervam ; illinc 
fluctuantes Cyprii Paphiam Venerem ; Cretes sagittiferi Dictynnam Dianam ; 
Siculi trilingues Stygiam Proserpinam ; Eleusinii vetustam Beam Cererem : 
Junonem alii, Bellonam alii, Hecatam isti, Rhamnusiam illi ; et qui nascentis 
Dei Solis inchoantibus illustrantur radiis ./Ethiopes, Ariique, priscaque doctrina 
pollentes ^Egyptii, ccerimoniis me propriis percolentes, appellant vero nomine 
Reginam Isidcm.&quot; After thus setting forth her titles, she gives him directions how 
to rid himself of his asinine form, and exhorts him to become one of her priests. 
There can be little doubt then that Tanith is to be looked upon as the great 
goddess of Carthage, the Ccelestis, Urania, or Juno of the Romans.&quot; Her temple 
is supposed to have been situated on an eminence in close proximity to the Hill 
of St. Louis or Byrsa, and a little to the north of it, near a spot marked by 
Falbe o. 53. It vas of great size and magnificence, surrounded by shrines dedi- 
cated to all the gods related to her. b The hieron or sacred inclosure was in 
Roman times no less than two miles in extent. It would even appear from Silius 
Italicus and others, that it contained the temple and grove of Kronos or Saturn. 
In A.I). J{{)9 this hieron, which had been long closed, and become overgrown 
with thorny bushes, was cleared out, and the temple consecrated to Christ, the 
Bishop Aurelius placing his scat on the spot once occupied by the statue of 
Cu-lestis. During the reign of Constantius III. (A.M. 421) all the temples were 
rased, and the ground converted into a cemetery. The street leading to the 
shrine and temple, which had been known as the Via Coelestis, was shortly 
afterwards destroyed by the Vandals. d 
The continuous worship of the goddess of Carthage may perhaps be inferred from 
the history of her veil or peplos. In the Mirabiles Auscultationes, usually 
ascribed to Aristotle, we find the following passage : e &quot; They say that a garment 
was made for Alcimenes, the Sybarite, of such magnificence, that at the Panegyry 

*r1 St. Ambrose says, &quot;Quem Cœlestem Afri, Mitram Persje, plerirjue Venerem colunt pro diversitate  nominis, non pro nuniinis varietate.&quot; Epist. 1, xviii. 30. Sec also Hurodian, lib. v. 
*r2 &quot; Omnium deoruni suorum sedibus vallatum.&quot; Liber de promissis et pncdictionibus, part iii. c. xxxviii.  44 ; ascribed to S. Prosper of  Aquitaine, and printed with his works.  c Liber de prom, et pnedict., part iii. c. xxxviii. The writer seems to have been present at the consecration. 
*r3 Victor Vitensis, De Persec. Vandal, lib. i. c. iii. 
*r4 Mirab. Auc. No. xcvi. Some editions read &quot; Alcisthenes.&quot; See also Athenseus, lib. xii. c. 58, who adds that it was described by Polemo in a treatise on the sacred garments at Carthage.&lt;noinclude&gt;
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is true y* misfortunes wee suffer are manie, wee knowe what* discoveries have 
been made, howe Arminianisme creeps and undermines, and howe Poperie 
comes upon vs; they maske not in strange disguises, but expose themselves 
to the vewe of the world : in search whereof wee have fixed our eyes, not 
simply one the Actors (the Jesuits and Preists) but one their masters, those 
that are in authoritie ; hence comes it wee suffer. The feare of them makes 
these intemptions. You have seene Prelates that are their Abettcrs. That great 
Bishop of Winchester, wee knowe what he hath done to favour them ; this feare 
extends to some others, that contract a feare of beini* discovered, and they drawe 
r 
from hence this iealosie : This is the Lord Treasorer, in whose person is con- 
tracted all the evill : I find him acting and building one those grounds laid by 
his Master the late great Duke of Buckingham, and his spiritt is moving for 
these interruptions : And from this feare they breake Parliaments least Parlia- 
ments should breake them. I find him the head of all that great party y* Papists; 
and all Jesuits and Preists derive from him their shelter and protection. In 
this great question of Tonnage and Poundage, instruments moved att his com- 
mand and pleasure, he dismaies our Merchants, and he invites strangers to come 
in to drive our trade, and to serve their owne ends.' 
&quot;The Remonstrance which he offered was put to a question, hut the Speaker 
refused to doe it, and said he was otherwise commaunded from the King; b 
whereupon Mr. Selden spake : ' You say, Mr. Speaker, you dare not put the 

a The words &quot;misfortunes wee&quot; are here repeated in the MS., but are underlined, apparently by the  copyist, as if he had discovered the mistake. 

b The Harleian MS. 0,800, fol. CC, here contains the following very important addition:{{pbri}}&quot;And being yet againe pressed, hee still denied to put it to the question, or to rend it : which the Clerk also refused to doe. 
{{pbri}}&quot;Whereupon the Remonstrance was againe redd' [redelivered] to his handcs, and by him read.{{pbri}}&quot;And being the third time urged to it and refusing, still insisting upon the Kings command, he was checked by Mr. Selden, who told him he had ever loved his person well, but he could not choose but much blame him now, that he, being the servant of the Howse, should refuse their commands under any pretence or colour whatsoever; that this his obstinacy would growe a president to posteritie, for that lux-rafter if wee shall meete with a dishonest Speaker (as we cannot promise or assure ourselves the contrary) hee might, under pretence of the King's command, refuse to propose the business and intendment of the Howse, and therefore he wished him to proceed.{{pbri}}&quot;The Speaker, with aboundance of tcares, answered, &quot;I will not say I will not, but I dare not ;&quot; desiring that they would not commaund his ruine therein: That hee had been their faithfull servant, and would gladlie sacrifice his life for the good of his country, but hee durst not sinne against the express command of his soveraigne .&quot; 
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served at his residence, the IJliydd, Upton-on-Scvcrii, It is 
on panel, measuring lOf in. in lieight by 5^ iu breadth. 
In the upper part the head of the Saviour is seen in profile, 
to the lei't, on a gold ground ; the features are of mild, 
pleasing expression ; the long hair, of dark chestnut colour, 
falls on the shoulders ; the beard is short, and slightly 
forked ; the dress dark green. The lower moiety of the 
panel bears the following inscription in gold letters (lloman 
capitals) on a black ground : — 
THIS PRESENT FIGURE IS THE SIMILITVDE OF OVRE 
LORD IIIV OVRE SAVIOR IMPRINTED IN AMIRALD BY THE 
PREDESESSORS OF THE CRETE TURKE AND SENT TO OVRE 
HOLY FATER {sic) THE POPE INNOSENT THE VIII. AT 
THE COST OF THE GRETE TURKE FOR A TOIvIN FOR 
THIS CAUSE TO REDEilE HIS BROTHER THAT WAS TAKYN 
PEESONER. 
Several examples of this &quot;similitude,&quot; it may be re- 
membered, have been brought before the Institute, at the 
London meetings and in our temporary museums. Those 
hitherto known to me appear without exception to be repe- 
titions of a valued type, probably from the hand of some 
Italian painter, who had access to the precious emerald as 
his model ; in every instance the date of their execution 
seems to be about the commencement of the sixteenth cen- 
tury, possibly a few years earlier. Whilst they differ slightly 
in certain details, they are nearly uniform in dimension, and 
the inscription, that sometimes contains slight blunders, is 
always in English, and constantly sets forth the gift of the 
emerald prototype to Innocent VIII. by Bajazet II. to propi- 
tiate the Holy Father in favoui* of his younger brother, Zemes 
or Zizim, who had been defeated at Erousa in 1482, and 
souglit refuge with the Soldan of Egypt. These curious 
details have been set forth by Mr. King in his memoir 
above cited. The examples of the painting previously' sub- 
mitted to the Institute, differ only from that transmitted to 
Mr. King from the Isle of Man in the absence of the radiant 
aureole, which is found in that instance only. 
In 1851 one of these portraitures had been exhibited by 
Mr. Thomas Hart, of Reigate ; it is described in this Journal 
(vol. viii, p. 320). The inscription asserts that the simili- 
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&lt;section begin=&quot;cap14&quot; /&gt;{{L sidenote|&lt;ref&gt;2 Inst. 632. 3 Ed. 1. c. 5.&lt;/ref&gt;}}{{di|A}}LSO if any Dignity be vacant, where Election is to be made, it is moved that the Electors may freely make their Election without Fear of any Power Temporal, and that all Prayers and Oppressions shall in this Behalf cease.&amp;ensp;(2)&amp;nbsp;''The Answer.'' They shall be made free according to the Form of Statutes and Ordinances.
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{{sidenotes begin|side=left}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;section begin=&quot;cap11&quot; /&gt;now is. And like Remedy shall be done for Corodies and Pensions exacted by Compulsion, whereof no Mention is made in the Statutes. 
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&lt;section begin=&quot;cap12&quot; /&gt;{{L sidenote|&lt;ref&gt;2 Inst. 630.&lt;/ref&gt;}}{{di|A}}LSO if any of the King's Tenure be called before their Ordinaries out of the Parish where they continue, if they be excommunicate for their manifest Contumacy, and after Forty Days a Writ {{SIC|goeth|goes}} out to take them, they pretend their Privilege, that they ought not to be cited out of the Town and Parish where their Dwelling is; and so the King's Writ that went out for to take them is denied.&amp;ensp;(2)&amp;nbsp;''The Answer.'' It was never yet denied, nor shall be hereafter.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;cap13&quot; /&gt;{{L sidenote|&lt;ref&gt;2 Inst. 631.&lt;/ref&gt;}}{{di|A}}LSO it is desired that Spiritual Persons, whom our Lord the Kingdom present unto Benefices of the Church (if the Bishop will not admit them either for lack of Learning, or for other Cause reasonable) may not be under the Examination of Lay Persons in the Cafes aforesaid, as it is now attempted, contrary to the Decrees Canonical, but that they may sue unto a Spiritual Judge for Remedy, as Right shall require.&amp;ensp;{{L sidenote|&lt;ref&gt;4 Mod. 135.&lt;/ref&gt;}}(2)&amp;nbsp;''The Answer.'' Of the Ability of a Parson presented unto a Benefice of the Church the Examination {{SIC|belongeth|belongs}} to a Spiritual Judge; and so it hath been used heretofore, and shall be hereafter.{{L sidenote|&lt;ref&gt;Regist. 53.&lt;/ref&gt;}}
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s.x. MAR. 11,1922. 
century by St. Aubert, Bishop of Avranches, j Edmond Tapp left no sons, and the name 
and is supposed to take the name from its I was not carried on in New England, but 
tomb. Later his four daughters all married men of 
prominence and founded large and influential 
families. M. RAY SANBOBN. 
semblance to an ancient 
records call it * Le Mont des deux tombeaux 
from its proximity to Tombelaine. 
Rietstap, in his ' Armorial General,' 
mentions a family Des Tombes as living at 
Gueldres Brabant, but their coat bears no 
tombstones. EDWARD H. DOBREE. 
Udney Hall, Teddington. 
Yale University Library, New Haven, Conn. 
ARAB (OB EASTERN) HOBSES (12 S. x. 
PORTRAITS OF COLERIDGE AND DlCKENS 
(12 S. x. 148). The reproduction of the 
Alexander portrait of Chailes Dickens, now 
in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts, given 
91, 138, 154). I wholly fail to understand, in my friend the late W. Glyde Wilkins's 
after perusing MR.FAIRFAX-BLAKEBOROUGH'S j * Charles Dickens in America,' is taken from 
letter, how the letter of 1610 from Robert j an engraving of the oil-painting made in 
Delaval to the Earl of Northumberland j 1842 for James T. Fields. 
&quot; reconciles the dates mentioned by ARAB j Some time after the publication of his 
with the death of Sir John Fenwick,&quot; or j book, Mr. Wilkins, not being satisfied with the 
how that worthy baronet could by any ! engraved copies, obtained Mrs. Fields 's per- 
possibility have been stud-master to both ! mission to have the painting photographed, 
Charles I. and Charles II., seeing that, if ! and he gave me a print from his negative, 
the ' D.N.B.' is to be relied upon, he died | in which the character of the features 
in 1658, or two years before Charles II. j lacking in the engravings is well shown, 
came to the throne. j I assume that after the death, in 1915, of 
If Sir John Fenwick said to have been i Mrs. Fields the picture came into the posses - 
born in 1579 did not die in 1658, will MB. 
FAIBFAX-BLAKEBOBOUGH tell us when he did 
die, and how old he was when stud-master 
to Charles II. ? So far as I can see, the point 
sion of the Boston Museum. 
The Alexander portrait has been engraved 
more than once, but, judging from the 
photograph, none of the copies are quite 
raised by ABAB remains unsolved. MB. | satisfactory reproductions of the original. 
FAIBFAX-BLAKEBOBOUGH'S letter at the last j T. W. TYBBELL. 
reference certainly affords no solution of ' St. Elmo, Sidmouth. 
the problem that I can discover. 
Of course it may be that there was some j MB. E. BASIL LTJPTON does not appear to be 
other Sir John Fenwick apart and distinct ! aware of the note at p. 150 of Dykes Camp- 
from the two whose names appear in the j bell's ' Samuel Taylor Coleridge.' The por- 
' D.N.B.' who was stud-master to the two ' trait by Allston now in the National Portrait 
Charles's, otherwise I see no grounds for j Gallery was painted at Bristol in 1814 for 
any other hypothesis than that which I ! Josiah Wade, one of Bristol's best friends 
hazarded at the penultimate reference. 
WlLLOUGHBY MAYCOCK. 
&quot; ONCE ABOABD THE LUGGER &quot; (12 S. X. 
150). This is, I think, from the late Sir 
Francis C. Burnand's burlesque ' Black- 
Eyed Susan,' but I am unable to verify 
to Coleridge. Allston was staying in Bristol 
at this time, and attended three of Coleridge's 
lectures. CHARLES WELLS. 
Bristol Times and Mirror Office. 
the reference. JOHN B. WAINEWBIGHT. 
LAND MEASTJBEMENT TEBMS (12 S. x. 
48, 96, 156). -Wylot is very likely the same 
! as &quot; quillet,&quot; a strip in the ancient common - 
BBITISH SETTLEBS IN AMEBICA (12 S. | field system. The &quot; warlands &quot; referred 
ix. 462, 517, 521 ; x. 57, 114, 178). The note to by J. T. F. were lands which, in Domes- 
so kindly supplied by MB. ABTHUR TAPP is day times, &quot; defended,&quot; or exonerated, 
especially interesting as furnishing a clue to ! other lands from payment of geld by having 
the origin of one of the first settlers of their own assessment increased. In Cheshire 
Quinnipiac, now New Haven, and one of the j the name applied to lands which acquitted 
founders of the neighboring town of Milford. others of various obligations, such as food 
He came a month later than most of the ! and lodging for the sergeants of the peace 
founders of New Haven, who sailed from 
London in the Hector and a smaller com- 
panion ship about the end of April, and 
arrived at Boston on June 26, 1637. 
or of the forest, which could only be exacted 
from &quot; warlands &quot; of not less than an acre. 
Wara means defence, protection, ward. 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s.ix. SEPT. 24,1921. 
COLONEL JOHNSON'S REGIMENT 
OF FOOT. 
(12 S. viii. 405.) 
As the dates of Colonel John Johnson's 
commissions are omitted in the account of 
this regiment from ' An English Army List of 
1740,' it is probable that LIEUT. -COLONEL 
J. H. LESLIE was unacquainted with their 
dates, or from the fact of the Colonel's 
Christian name and surname being of a 
somewhat common type he may have been 
unable to identify them. I have therefore 
the pleasure of being able to supply them 
from notes in my possession. 
His commissions are as follow : 
Appointed Cornet to that Troop in the Regt. 
of Horse commanded by Major- General Daniel 
Harvey, whereof Colonel Edward Hooper is 
Captain. Given at the Camp before Ciudad Rod- 
rigo this Thirteenth day of May, Anno Dni. 1706. 
(Signed) GALLWAY. 
Appointed Captain in the Regt. of Foot com- 
manded by Brigadier Thomas Pearce, vice Captain 
Edward Spragg. Given att Lisbon the first day 
of August 1708. (Signed) GALLWAY. t 
To be Major of Foot. Given att Lisbon the 
Twenty fourth day of June 1710. 
(Signed) GALLWAY. 
To be Lieutenant Colonell of the Begt. of Dra- 
goons commanded by Coll. Constantine Magny, 
as allso Captain to a Troop in the Same. Given 
at Lisbon the twenty-fourth day of December 
1710. (Signed) PORTMOBE. 
Appointed Captain of that Company whereof 
William Vachell Esqr. was Captain in Our Second 
Regiment of Foot Guards called the Coldstream, 
commanded by pur Bt. Trusty &amp; Bt. Welbeloved 
Cousin &amp; Councillor Bichard Earl of Scarborough, 
and to take the Bank as Lieut. Colonel of Foot. 
Given at our Court of St. James's the First day of 
March 1727/8. (Signed) HOLLES NEWCASTLE. 
To be Colonel of Our Regiment of Foot, where- 
of Robert Dalzel Esqr. Lieutenant General of Our 
Forces was late Colonel, and likewise to be Captain 
of a Company in Our said Begiment. Given at 
Our Court of St. James's on the Sixteenth day of 
November 1739. (Signed) HARRINGTON, 
To be Brigadier General. Given at Our Court 
at St. James's the Twenty-fifth day of February 
1743/4. (Signed) CARTERET 
His commission as Major-General bears 
date June 3, 1744. 
To be Lieutenant General. Given at Our 
Court at Kensington the Nineteenth Day of Sep 
tember 1747. (Signed) HOLLES NEWCASTLE. 
Previously to his appointment as Colone, 
of the regiment which in the ' English Army 
List of 1740 ' bore his name, and which I 
Dresume was so designated at the battle of 
bettingeii in which it took part, June 16, 
1743 (as it did not receive the title of the 
33rd Regiment until the year 1751), Lieut. - 
General Johnson was Lieut. -Colonel of the 
12th Dragoons, as appears from Beatson's 
Political Index' (vol. ii., pp. 132 and 231). 
Query, did he command his regiment in 
person at Dettingen ? 
General Johnson came of an ancient 
family originally settled at Glaiston, in the 
ounty of Rutland ; allied to that of Arch- 
deacon Robert Johnson, founder of the two 
Grammar Schools of Oakham and Upping- 
ham in that county, and bearing the same 
coat of arms and crest, viz., Argent, a 
chevron sable between three lions' heads 
coupee gules crowned or ; and for crest, 
On a wreath argent and gules a lion's head 
coupee gules crowned or. 
His father is stated to have been a pros- 
perous Turkey merchant trading with 
Smyrna, and tradition has it that he was at 
Lisbon at the time of the great earthquake, 
Nov. 1, 1755, and was buried in the debris, 
but was rescued alive by his friends after 
three days' interment. If this be true he 
had survived his son, the General, who died 
in Clarges Street, London, November 19, 
1753, and was buried in Thames Dittoii 
churchyard. General Johnson was an in- 
timate friend of Mr. Peter de la Porte, of 
Burhill, Surrey (now the well-known golf 
links), who bequeathed him his estate. 
Any particulars as to the General's parentage, 
ancestry, date and locality of his birth 
would be welcome. I have particulars of 
his two marriages and of his descendants. 
CROSS- CROSSLET. 
REVIVAL OF OLD ENGLISH 
MARRIAGE CUSTOMS. 
(12 S. ix. 209.) 
THE first rubric in the Sarum Office pre- 
scribed : &quot; In primis statuantur vir et mulier 
ante ostium Ecclesiae coram Deo, Sacerdote, 
et populo, vir a dextris mulieris et mulier a 
sinistris viri. . . . Tune interroget Sacerdos 
banna dicens in lingua materna sub hac 
forma, Ecce convenimus hue fratres coram 
Deo et angelis et omnibus sanctis ejus 
in facie Ecclesiae ad conjungendum, 
et cetera.&quot; 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [i2s.vm.AP R iL 2 ,i92i. 
Fhe Rev. James Street, in his ' Mynster of 
bhe Isle ' (Ilminster), says : 
&quot; The pancake bell is rung on the afternoon 
pf Shrove Tuesday ; anciently it was not the 
joy of pancake eating, but the call to confession 
Jae shriving, hence ' Shrove Tuesday.' Of old 
Jhe bell rang at six each morning, and as ten 
shillings a year was allowed therefor by the 
Grammar School, the waking up of its school- 
Doys was doubtless in mind.&quot; 
W. G. WILLIS WATSON. 
Single's Lodge, Pinhoe, Exeter. 
At St. Mary's, Whittlesey, Cambs. &quot;the 
Shriving Bell, vulgarly called 'Pancake 
Bell ' still rang at 1 1 A.M. on Shrove Tues- 
lay&quot; ('Life in the Cambridgeshire Fens 
Eighty Years Ago,' by late Rev. J. R. 
little, in the last number of The Eagle, a 
nagazine supported by members of St. John's 
Jollege, vol. xlii. p. 24). The &quot;Pancake 
3ake&quot; was known at Whittlesey long after 
;hat, probably to this day. 
G. C. MOOBE SMITH. 
In ' The Customs, Superstitions and 
Legends of the county of Stafford' [1875], 
:&gt;y Charles Henry Poole is the following 
lote, under the heading of ' Shrove Tues- 
lay, or Goodish Tuesday ' : 
Out, hark, I hear the Pan-cake bell, 
And fritters make a gallant smell. 
' Poor Robin.' 
&quot; Shrove Tuesday derives its name from the 
sustom of our ancestors in Catholic times going 
-o confession. Its Latin and continental names 
lave all a reference to the last eating of flesh : 
^arnivale, farewell to flesh. That none might 
)lead forgetfulness of confessing and being 
;hriven, the great bell was rung at an early hour 
n every parish, and in after times this ringing 
ras still kept up in some places, though the cause 
&gt;f it ceased with the introduction of Protestantism. 
Eventually it got the name of the Pancake-bell, 
ind in the parish in which I once resided [Dr. 
5 oole informs me that this was Monks Kirby, 
Warwickshire] about eleven o'clock this bell 
iounds over hill and dale, proclaiming to the good 
lousewives that it is a gentle reminder to make 
reparations for the pancakes, the delight of the 
uveniles.&quot; 
RUSSELL MABKLAND. 
THE O'FLAHEBTY FAMILY: KINGS OF 
30NNAUGHT (12 S. viii. 188, 259.) The 
D'Flaherty family mistakenly described 
it the above reference as &quot; Kings of Con- 
laught&quot; were a clan or collection of 
amilies under a chief. The O'Fflahertie 
ras of old Hereditary Admiral, not King. 
Dhe descendants of the head and of his 
lumerous tribesmen, like those of other 
?lans, must now number many thousands 
G. W. D. F. CLARK. 
St. George's Terrace, Plymouth. 
DB. JOHNSON : PORTRAIT IN HILL'S EDI- 
TION OF BOSWELL (12 S. viii. 229). A 
careful comparison of the mouth and nose 
alone with the corresponding features in Sir 
Joshua's portrait of Goldsmith is enough to 
shew beyond any possible doubt that the 
picture in question does not represent 
&quot; Dr. Minor.&quot; That at first sight, at least, 
it strikes us as very unlike Dr. Johnson's 
portraits with which we are more familiar 
is quite true, but that is probably due in 
great part to the absence of the wig. It can 
be seen from Algernon Graves and William 
Vine Cronin's monumental 'History of the 
Works of Sir Joshua Reynolds,' vol. ii. 
(1899), p. 519, that Reynolds twice painted 
Johnson without his wig. In one of these 
portraits Johnson is described as &quot; shewing 
both his hands held up in front ; profile to 
left ; books in background ; without his wig.&quot; 
This is said to have been exhibited at the 
Royal Academy in 1770 and to belong to 
the Duke of Sutherland. In the other, 
painted in 1769-70, Johnson is said to be 
&quot; standing arguing, with his hands half 
clutched, in one of his most characteristic 
attitudes ; shews the head with no wig ; a 
profile to left ; bookcase behind.&quot; This 
portrait is said. by Graves and Cronin to be in 
the Sackville collection at Knole Park. 
According to the ' D.N.B.' it was painted 
for Johnson's step -daughter, Lucy Porter, 
and the Knole Park picture is a replica. 
Another account represents the first of the 
two portraits as painted for her. The 
portrait in Birkbeck Hill's third volume 
seems to correspond to the description of 
the first (&quot;books in background&quot;). That it 
represents Johnson is, of course, absolutely 
certain. EDWARD BENSLY. 
IMPALED ON A THOBN (12 S. viii. 210). 
This popular belief attracted the attention 
of Sir Thomas Browne. In the last chapter 
of Book III in his ' Vulgar Errors ' he writes 
&quot; Many more there are whose serious enquiries 
we must request of others, and shall only awake 
considerations, Whether. ...&quot; 
and one of the problems which he propounds 
is : 
&quot; Whether the Nightingals setting with her 
breast against a thorn, be any more then that 
she placeth some prickels on the outside of her 
nest, or roosteth in thorny and prickly places, 
where Serpents may least approach her ? &quot; 
But one would rather have heard Sir Thomas 
on the question &quot; Whether the brains of 
Cats be attended with such destructive 
malignities, as Dioscorides and others put 
upon them ? &quot; EDWARD BENSLY. 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s. vn. JULY 3, 1920. 
This omits to mention that he was (as on 
the title-page of my edition the tenth 
of the work above quoted) also &quot; sometime 
Grinfield Lecturer on the Septuagint in the 
University of Oxford.&quot; 
J. B. McGovEBN. 
NINETY-NINE YEAB LEASES. Can any of 
your readers furnish references concerning 
the origin of the custom of executing leases 
for the term of 99 years and likewise for 
999 years ? WENDELL HEBBBUCK. 
Canton, Ohio. 
A LITEBABY HOAX. At 2 S. vi. 196 an 
account is given of a literary hoax played 
off in the name of W. C. Bryant, the Ameri- 
can poet, which establishes the fact that 
no matter how atrocious an effusion may be, 
if a well known poet's name is appended to 
it, it becomes true poetry in the eyes of a 
large majority of poetry readers. Have 
there been recent examples of this ? I seem 
to remember a case a few years ago of a 
poem in a reputable daily newspaper to 
which Kipling's name was attached, but 
which he denied having written. 
ARCHIBALD SPABKE. 
SABINE. Burton, in his ' Anatomy of 
Melancholy,' p. 359, refers to a writer 
named Sabine as author of a &quot; commentary 
on the 10th of 'Ovid's * Metamorphoses.' &quot; 
Who was this Sabine and when was his work 
written ? W. S. 
' ITINEBABY ' OF WILLIAM or WOBCESTER. 
Seeing that no edition of this work has 
been published since 1778 it is high time 
that a scholarly version in English of 
this traveller's notes was issued. 'Before 
the final proofs be passed, however, every 
portion dealing with a county should be 
submitted for annotation to a capable 
antiquary of that 'county. These comments 
could be embodied as footnotes and thus a 
standard edition of William of Worcester's 
work would be given to the world. 
In whose keeping is the original MS. ? 
J. HAMBLEY HOWE. 
PBOHIBITED MASSES. By the Decrees of 
the Sacred Congregation of Rites issued in 
the reign of Urban VIII. (1623-44), and 
prefixed to most editions of the ' Missale 
Romanum ' are forbidden all Masses not offi- 
cially approved. They especially prohibit 
by name &quot; signanter Missas nuncupatas 
S. Gregorii pro Vivis et Defunctis, Missas 
quindecim Auxiliatorum, Missam de Patre 
JEterno.&quot; Can any reader tell me in what 
Missal these three Masses S. Gregory for 
the Quick and the Dead ; of the Fifteen 
Helpers ; of the Eternal Father may be 
found, and why were they so particularly 
forbidden to be said ? 
MONTAGUE SUMMEBS, F.R.S.L. 
ENBICO NOBIS (16.31-1704). Concerning 
this celebrated Cardinal, whose baptismal 
name was Girolamo, and whose name Enrico 
(or as some say Arrigo), was taken on his 
entering the Order of St. Augustine, Waller's 
' Imperial Dictionary of Universal Bio* 
graphy,' says : 
&quot; The current story that his family was of Irish 
origin appears to be incorrect, as the race has been 
traced back in the territory of Bergamo to the 
beginning of the thirteenth century.&quot; 
I have been unable to trace this &quot; current 
story&quot;: but Beeton's 'Dictionary of Uni- 
versal Biography ' states that the Cardinal's 
father was &quot; a native of Ireland.&quot; Moroni's 
' Dizionario Ecclesiastico,' the * Nouvelle 
Biographie Generale,' the ' Biographie Uni- 
verselle,' the 'Catholic Encyclopedia,' the 
' Nouveau Larousse Illustre,' and Chalmers* 
4 Biographical Dictionary,' all assert that 
his ancestry was English. 
The ' Biographie Universelle ' says : 
&quot;Jacques Noris, 1'un de ses aneetres, general 
d'artillerie, aprea avoir defendu vainement la 
capitale de 1'ile de Chypre contre les Turcs, viub a. 
s'etablir a Verone. Alexandre, pare de Henri, a 
publie entre autres ouvrages une traduction 
italienne de ' I'Histoire de la guerre d'Allernagne,' 
terminee par le traite de Lubeck.&quot; 
Is anything actually known as to th&amp; 
ancestry of this eminent theologian ? Waa 
it Bergamesque, Irish or English ? I have 
not consulted the various lives by Girolama 
Razzerio, Pietro and Girolamo Balliriiii,. 
F. Bianthini, and others, as they have been 
consulted by the biographical dictionaries- 
above cited. JOHN B. WAINEWBIGHT. 
PORTRAITS BY COTES. - In 
' Anecdotes of Painting,' edited by Dallaway* 
vol. iv., p. 3, it is stated in a footnote that 
&quot; In The Gent.'s Magazine for 1786 is a 
catalogue of portraits painted by I. Cotes.&quot; 
I at once procured this number of The 
Gentleman's Magazine, but Cotes is not 
mentioned in the index, nor can I find any 
reference to him in the magazine. Could 
any one tell me where I could get a complete 
catalogue of his portraits ? I am anxious. 
to trace the portrait of a lady, signed and. 
dated 1760. It is of a brunette, and was 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 S.VIT. OCT. 16,1920. 


*,case in many other places. In this light, 
Hli/8ar-pollr would mean &quot;protected pool &quot; 
an a strictly military sense. 

Until recently I was inclined to accept 

MB. HARBISON'S well-known &quot; Litherpool &quot; 

- etymology, though the weak point of it is 

that it does not account for the spelling 

&quot;Liverpool.&quot; In the same way Prof. 

Wyld's &quot; Leofhere's Pool &quot; ('Place Names of 

Lancashire,' p. 174) does not account for 

v.the spelling &quot;Litherpool.&quot; My etymology 

j(&quot; Livtherpool &quot;) accounts for both spellings, 

which are practically of equal antiquity. 

In my first communication (ante, p. 68), 
when pointing out the suitability of the 
name &quot; Shelter Pool &quot; for the Pool of 
Liverpool, I was careful to say that for 
many miles along the Liverpool shore it 
afforded the only shelter. Wallasey Pool 
(mentioned by MB. HABBISON) also afforded 
.excellent shelter, but is on the Cheshire side 
of the Mersey estuary, and would therefore 
be of no use to a navigator who wished to 
.land in Lancashire. Further, even if a 
navigator's sole object were safety, he would 
be unable to enter Wallasey Pool in the 
prevalent north-westerly gales. Otterspool 
(also mentioned by MB. HABBISON) is some 
miles away on the Liverpool shore, but was 
altogether too small and shallow to be of any 
use as a harbour. That the Pool of Liverpool 
was actually regarded by navigators as a 
valuable place of shelter in bad weather, is 
proved incontestably by the quotation given 
in my second communication (ante, p. 188). 

I entirely agree with what your contribu- 
tor MB. WADE (ante, p. 254) says about the 
.absurdity of the &quot;Liver bird &quot; derivation 
of &quot;Liverpool,&quot; and the likelihood of its 
'being an invention of Herald's College. The 
&quot;Liver bird &quot; is undoubtedly derived from 
the badly executed eagle of St. John on the 
old corporation seal, which was formerly 
supposed to be a cormorant (see the paper on 
&lt;r The Armorial Bearings of the City of 
Liverpool,' by J. Paul Rylands, F.S.A., in 
the 'Transactions of the Historic Society of 
Lancashire and Cheshire,' vol. xlii, pp. 1-14). 
There are other equally baseless derivations 
-of &quot;Liverpool&quot; which are now no longer 
taken seriously. 

ROBEBT GLADSTONE. 
The Athenaeum, Liverpool. 

JOSEPH PORTER OF MOBTLAKE (12 S. 

vii. 209). No Hogarth student having come 
to the assistance of A. J. W., I may remark 
that as Joseph Porter was the brother of 
.Dr. Johnson's Lucy Porter of Lichfield, 


siographical information respecting the 
Porter family should probably be sought in 
the Midlands. 

As your querist suggests that anything 
anent Hogarth is of general interest, may I 
give three excerpts from The General Adver- 
tiser of 1744 that tend to show that the 
^reat painter, no less than his 'Enraged 
Nlusician,' was at the mercy of those dis- 
concerting street noises and annoyances so 
graphically described by Baretti. 

&quot; Mar. 20. Yesterday a great number of 
dissolute vagabonds being assembled together in 
Leicester Fields gaming, and others throwing 
dead cats and dogs at the passengers and making a 
prodigious disturbance there, four of these were 
taken up by some very diligent constables who 
brought them before Sir Thomas De Veil who 
committed them to Clerkenwell - Bridewell to 
hard-labour. 

&quot; Mar. 27. Yesterday S. Richardson and B. 
Fogerty making a great disturbance with a great 
number of idle disorderly persons by gaming in 
Leicester Fields were committed to Clerkenwell- 
Bridewell to hard labour by Sir Thomas De Veil. 

&quot; Apr. 5. On Tuesday last in the evening 
there was a smart battle in Leicester Fields 
between a large Press gang and the fellows who 
generally frequent that place, in which several 
were wounded on both sides ; but at length the 
sailors carried off about 20 of them.&quot; 

It is interesting to note that in the 
advertisement columns cf the issue of Apr. 5 
there is inserted a notice that those wishing 
to subscribe for the engravings of the 
Marriage A La Mode are to send their 
names &quot; to the Author at the Golden Head, 
Leicester Fields.&quot; 

How the solace of Hogarth's Chiswick 
villa must have been enhanced by contrast ! 
J. PAUL DE CASTBO. 

1 Essex Court, Temple. 

AN ENGLISH ABMY LIST OF 1740 (12 S. vii. 
265). In the list of officers in Major-General 
Cope's Regiment of Dragoons, appears the 
name of Lieut. Francis Reynolds. He 
was the eldest son of William Reynolds of 
Donegal, and died May 31, 1760, was buried 
in St. Margaret's Churchyard, Westminster. 
HENBY FITZGEBALD REYNOLDS. 

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grina may be conjectured to have come 
from the state of Pamanukan (there are 
probably other ways of spelling it) in the 
north-west of Java. As Javanese in Oxford- 
shire are, as Gilbert has told us of Red 
Indians in Turkey, extremely rare, it would 
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items. 

We must request correspondents desiring in- 
iormation on family matters of only private interest 
to affix their names and addresses to their queries, 
in order that answers may be sent to them direct. 


ASTRONOMICAL TABLE. I am seeking 
information as to the possible origin of an 
astronomical table which has recently come 
to my notice. The table is constructed of 
a light-coloured wood of a satiny appearance 
and texture, with delicate natural figuring. 
The top is 43 in, in diameter, and is hinged 
on to a heavy central pillar supported by 
three feet. The whole thing is a most 
beautiful piece of work, and the figure at 
which it has recently changed hands is very 
high. The centre of the top of the table 
represents the North Pole of the heavens, 
and surrounding it are displayed the con- 
stellations visible from the northern hemi- 
sphere, the hundreds of stars being repre- 
sented by inlaid discs of brass of varying 
size according to the magnitudes of the 
stars. The edge of the table top is divided 
into twelve sections to correspond with the 
signs of the Zodiac, the signs being repre- 
sented by symbol and picture in the con- 
ventional manner. The names of the con- 
stellations and chief stars are printed in by 
hand in the French language. I have 
examined the table minutely and have been 
tinable to find any indication as to the date 
of its construction or the name of its maker. 
The owner of the table would be very 
thankful for any information regarding the 
possible origin of the table, which, it might 
be added, is not for sale. 

WILLIAM PORTHOUSE, F.R.A.S. 
27 Turnbull Road, Longsight, Manchester. 

ELDER BREWSTER OF THE MAYFLOWER' 
HIS FATHER AND WIFE. Whatever relates 
to the Pilgrim Fathers is at present of deep 
interest to the American people, and it will 
be greatly appreciated if you, or any one 
in the Old Home, can shed light upon two 
Mstorical questions that are perplexing us. 

Did Edmund Grindal, Archbishop of 
'Canterbury, 1575-83, appoint William Brew- 
ster, Senior, father of the famous Elder 
Brewster of the Mayflower &quot;receiver and 
bailiff of the Manor of Scrooby, to hold 
both offices for life &quot; ? That most eminent 
American authority on Pilgrim history, the 
2lev. Henry Martyn Dexter, in his 'Eng- 

nd and Holland of the Pilgrims, ' states that 


this appointment was made by Archbishop 
Grindal, and Roland G. Usher, a recent 
writer on 'The Pilgrims and their History,' 
agrees with him. But Dr. John Brown of 
Bedford, England, says that Archbishop 
Sandys of York, 1575-88, appointed said 
William Brewster to that office, January, 
1575-6. Which statement is correct ? 

Beyond the fact that her name was Mary, 
nothing is known of the wife of Elder 
Brewster. William Dean Howells, in ' Lon- 
don Films,' p. 191, asserts that Elder 
Brewster 's wife was born and bred in Duke 
Street, London, a place of no consequence 
now, but which perhaps may have been 
like Whitechapel, a region of high respect- 
ability three hundred years ago. 

Mr. Howells further states that his in- 
formation was chiefly derived from a genea- 
logist, Mr. Lothrop Withington of the 
British Museum, and also from a wonderful 
hand-book on London, by Peter Cunning- 
ham. Many genealogical students in America 
would be glad to know the surname of Elder 
Brewster 's beloved and only wife. 

Near Aldersgate lived Sir Edwin Sandys, 
the &quot; very loving friend &quot; of Elder Brewster, 
who rendered valuable aid in 1619-20 to 
the Pilgrims : while at his country place, in 
Stepney, dwelt Mr. William Davison, Secre- 
tary of State to Queen Elizabeth, who found 
young William Brewster &quot;so faithful and 
discreet &quot; that he loved him with a fatherly 
affection, and &quot; trusted him above all others 
that were about him, and only employed 
him in matters of greatest trust and secrecy.&quot; 

LILLIAN HOAG MONK. 
Los Angeles. 

POET LAUREATE'S 'ESSAY ON KEATS.' 
Can any one tell me in what publication the 
present Poet Laureate's ' Essay on. Keats ' 
appeared ? I was under the impression he 
wrote a critical appreciation for the &quot;Eng- 
lish Men of Letters &quot; series, but am told that 
is not so. H. B. F. 

POEMS BY J. G. GRANT. ' Madonna Pia, 
and other Poems,' by James Gregor Grant 
was published, in two volumes, by Smith, 
Elder &amp; Co. in 1847. I am anxious for 
some information concerning this book and 
its author. The work is beautifully printed 
with two full-page wood engravings by H. 
Vitzetelly after Mulready, R.A. The 
volumes are dedicated to the poet Words- 
worth. I can find no reference to the 
poems in Allibone nor to the poet in the 
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31. As wise as a constable (Taylor, the Water 
Poet). Which of the constables does it refer to ? 

32. As wise as t'ullot (Yorkshire). Does it 
.mean &quot; As stupid as an owl &quot; ? 

33. As clever as the devil's disciple (Vachell). 
Used by other writers ? 

34. As cunning as Capt. Drake (Bay). Any 
-other instances known ? 

35. As deep as Garrick (6 S. iv. &amp;c.). Does any 
character called Carrick occur in Elizabethan or 
other plays, and if so, what does he stand for ? 

36. As cunning as a crowder, as Crowder. Is 
anything known about the simile beside what is 
told in Gentleman's Magazine, 1754 ? 

37. As sharp as bottled porridge (7 S. iv. 48). 
Commonly used ? 

38. As subtle as a dead pig (1672) ; As cunning 
as a dead pig (Swift). How can a dead pig be 
taken as a type of cleverness or shrewdness ? 

39. As sharp as a thistle (Towneley Myst). 
/Meaning ? 

40. As deep as the North Star. Explanation ? 

T. HlLDING SVABTENGBEN. 
Vasteras, Sweden. 

PHEBENICE AND THE OLYMPIAN GAMES. 
Can any reader give another (Greek) reference 
besides ^Elian, 'V. H.,' x. 1, for the story of 
JPherenice, who, being warned off the course 
by the stewards of the Olympian games, 
justified her intrusion by the facts that her 
father and three brothers had already been 
Olympic victors, and she had just entered 
a son. I think one of the victors was 
Diagoras of lalysus (Find. ' Ol.,' vii.). 

H. K. ST. J. S. 

[The following authors have references to the 
Incident : (JEschines) ' Epist.,' iv. 5 ; Philostratus, 
* De Arte Gymnastica,' 17 ; Valerius Maximus, 
viii. 15, 12 ; Pliny, ' Nat. Hist.,' vii. 133. There 
are also the Scholiast on Pindar, ' Olymp.,' vii., and 
Pausanias, v. 6. Pausanias tells the story some- 
what differently from ^3Elian or the Scholiast or 
perhaps may be said to make it intelligible. 
Pherenice, he relates (she is also called Aristo- 
patira and probably by a mistake Callipatira), 
ner husband being dead, trained her boy Pisirodus 
and brought him to the games, disguising herself 
as a trainer and watching the contest with the 
other trainers. The boy was victorious, where- 
upon she sprang over the barrier into the lists, 
and thereby discovered her sex whether acciden- 
tally or intentionally he does not make clear. It 
was then that as daughter of Diagoras of Rhodes, 
and sister of three other victors, she was allowed 
to go free. Particulars about her family will be 
found in Pausanias, vi. 7. Sir J. G. Frazer's 
notes to his translation of Pausanias (Macmillan, 
6 vols.) might be consulted with advantage.] 

COL. HON. JOHN SCOTT, TEMP. CHARLES I. 
I am seeking particulars with regard to 

&quot;Colonel Hon. John Scott, killed fighting for 
King Charles I., place not stated. There is said to 
be a book in the 'King's Exchequer' [sic] that 
gives the information required.&quot; 
I consulted Mr. Hubert Hall of the Record 
'Office, and he told me the data were much 


too vague to enable a search to be made in 
the Commonwealth Exchequer Army Re- 
cords the most likely place and recom- 
mended me to write to ' N. &amp; Q.' 
I* Is there any institution now in existence 
which either is or could be called the &quot; King's 
Exchequer,&quot; and, if so, are any books per- 
manently kept there, or are the records kept 
elsewhere ? The person on whose behalf 
I am inquiring is specially anxious to have 
this latter point made clear. 

J. DE C. LAFFAN (Major). 

FOLK-LOBE : THE ANGELICA. In Long- 
fellow's ' Tales of a Wayside Inn ' (far too 
little known, as I think) there occurs (in 
' The Musician's Tale ') an episode concerning 
' Queen Thyri and the Angelica-Stalks,' 
wherein it is written of King Olaf : 

In his hand he carried 
Angelicas uprooted, 
With delicious fragrance 
Filling all the place. 

Even the smile of Olaf 

Could not cheer her gloom ; 
Nor the stalks he gave her 
With a gracious gesture, 
And with words as pleasant 

As their own perfume. 
In her hands he placed them, 
And her jewelled fingers 
Through the green leaves glistened 

Like the dews of morn ; 
But she cast them from her 
Haughty and indignant, 
On the floor she threw them 

With a look of scorn. 

Is there any significance in the offering of 
angelicas ? The stalks of Angelica arch- 
angelica are much used as sweetmeats, and 
a sweet, green stick of it is often used in 
ice-puddings ; but why did King Olaf offer 
uprooted angelicas to the queen ? 

JAMES HOOPEB. 

92 Queen's Road, Norwich. 

OLD FAMILY PORTEATTS IN CABVED WOOD. 
I should be glad to know of any old family 
portraits in carved wood in churches and 
country houses, &amp;c. The earliest I have 
been able to discover is of Sir Baldwin 
Fulford of Fulford, Sheriff of Devon, 
38 Henry VI. Prince styles Sir Baldwin 
&quot; a great soldier and traveller of so undaunted 
resolution, that for the honour and liberty of a 
royal lady, in a castle besieged by the infidels, 
he fought a combat with a Saracen for bulk and 
bigness an unequal match (as the representation 
of him cut in the wainscot in Fulford Hall doth 
plainly show), whom yet he vanquished and 
rescued the lady.&quot; 

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SOURCE OF QUOTATION WANTED. What 
is the source of the following : &quot; Stupor 
mundi clerus Anglicanus &quot; ? 

J. E. SANDYS. 
Cambridge. 

MEDIEVAL WOBK ON MAKING OF ENAMEL. 
Lacroix in his ' Science and Literature of 
the Middle Ages,' speaking of early chemists, 
mentions &quot; Isaac and Jean Hollandus, makers 
of enamel and artificial gems, who have 
described their process of work with great 
minuteness and precision.&quot; What is the 
title of the work referred to, and where may 
a copy be seen ? J. A. K. 

SARAH, DUCHESS OF MABLBOBOUGH. 
According to A. J. C. Hare's ' Walks in 
London,' vol. ii. p. 356, the Duchess of 
Maryborough used to sit in the Cloisters of 
Westminster Abbey &quot; dressed as a beggar, 
in her poignant grief for the loss of her son.&quot; 
The writer adds : &quot; The Duchess of Portland 
relates that her husband saw her there, 
when a boy at Westminster School.&quot; Where 
is the Duchess of Portland's statement to 
be found ? G. F. R. B. 

SIB ROBEBT SMYTH, BART. According to 
J. G. Alger's ' Englishmen in the French 
Revolution,' 1889, this baronet, who pro- 
posed the toast of &quot; The speedy abolition 
of all hereditary titles and feudal distinc- 
tions &quot; at the famous dinner held at White's 
Hotel in Paris, Nov. 18, 1792, &quot; was im- 
prisoned more than a year in Paris &quot; (p. 101). 
When was this, and why was he imprisoned ? 

G. F. R. B. 

MATTHIAS FINUCAB. Can any readers 
supply me with any information as to this 
miniaturist, who painted in Guernsey about 
1780-90? W. H. QUARRELL. 

' MUJTABY QUARTEBLY REVIEW.' In 

' Some Memories of my Spare Tune,' by the 
late General Sir Henry Brackenbury, G.C.B., 
the following passage occurs, p. 218 : 

&quot; In December, 1872, two meetings were held in 
London for the purpose of promoting the publica- 
tion of a military periodical. A society was 
formed, of which eighteen officers, all capable 
writers, were the original members. It was de- 
cided to establish a Military Quarterly Remeio ; 
Capt. J. W. Hozier was appointed editor, and a I 
sub-committee of four, of which I was a member, j 
was appointed to assist the editor. Every member j 
of the society was pledged to contribute, if called ! 
upon by the editor, one article per annum. So far 
as I can recollect, the scheme never bore fruit.&quot; 

Who were the eighteen officers ? Are j 
any of them still living ? J. H. LESLIE. 
31 Kenwood Park Road, Sheffield. 


B. KlLLINGBECK : PORTRAIT OF WOLFE. 

A little-known mezzotint of Major-General 
James Wolfe, from an original drawn on the 
field, was published by Killingbeck of Dover 
Street, London, July 30, 1783. 

Does any reader know of the existence 
ef a copy, or if any representatives of the 
publisher are in existence ? 

A. O. WOLFE-AYLWABD. 

Quebec House, Westerham, Kent. 

OLD INNS. The Bull's Head Inn, Market 
Place, Manchester, is mentioned ante, 

fp. 134-5, as having some interesting history, 
am having to do a considerable amount 
of travelling on war work (as many 
others are), and should greatly like the 
i opportunity of putting up for the night 
(there is rarely more than one in any one 
place) at old inns with interesting associa- 
tions. 

Will readers of ' N. &amp; Q.' be good enough 
to give the names and addresses of a few, 
mentioning the chief items of interest 
attaching to each ? I am sure others besides 
myself would appreciate such information. 
The towns visited are important manufac- 
turing centres. 

ALFBED S. E. ACKEBMANN. 

AUTHOB WANTED. Who wrote the follow- 
ing, intended to be placed as an inscription 
on the memorial tablet of an officer killed 
in this war ? 

Battle-fields are strange 
In unexpectedness, and histories change 
Because the proper hour finds the man. 
I cannot see the vastness of the plan 
Beyond the horizon. But I shall be there 
To do my humble or my splendid share. 

H. A. ST. J. M. 

&quot; SMALL BOOKS ON GBEAT SUBJECTS.&quot; 
Between 1841 and 1852 there was published, 
originally by Pickering, and afterwards by 
J. W. Parker, a series of books named as 
above. There were twenty-two volumes 
altogether in the set, and according to 
' D.N.B.' the majority of them were written 
by Caroline Frances Cornwallis (1786-1858), 
a very accomplished lady, who, when only 
7 years of age, produced &quot;histories, poems, 
commentaries, and essays, which would fill 
volumes.&quot; She knew Latin, Greek, Hebrew, 
and German, and acquired a knowledge of 
philosophy, natural and social science, 
history, theology, law, and politics. The 
above series, which she projected with the 
assistance of a &quot; few well-wishers to know- 
ledge,&quot; was, I know, largely carried out by 
her, and it covered the whole field of her 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s. in. MARCH 24, 1917. 


TEMPLE FAMILY. Can any reader of 
' N. &amp; Q.' give information as to the maiden 
name of the wife of William Temple, son of 
Rev. Thomas Temple, D.D. ? He married 
in 1655 a certain Elizabeth, described in 
family records as &quot;a fine and learned 
gentlewoman.&quot; 

The maiden name of William Temple's 
mother is also wanted. Thomas Temple, 
D.D., married &quot; Anne, of a Reading family,&quot; 
but it is not clear whether she was William's 
mother, or whether Thomas Temple was 
married twice. In any case Anne's sur- 
name is missing. (These Temples were 
&quot; of the Coughton line.&quot;) 

(Miss) G. E. CLABKE. 

5 The Yoakleys, Park Street, 
Stoke Newington, N. 

AUTHORS WANTED. The real names of 
- the authors of the following pseudonymously 
issued novels are wanted : 

Marmaduke, Emperor of Europe. By &quot; X.&quot; 
Durrant &amp; Co. Chelmsford, 1895. 

The Merchant of Venice. By &quot; A Popular 
Novelist.&quot; Greening, 1913. 

The Odd Farmhouse. By &quot; The Odd Farm- 
wife.&quot; Macmillan, 1913. 

A Derelict Empire. By &quot; Mark Time.&quot; Black- 
wood, 1912. 

Count Tleki. By &quot; Eca.&quot; Warne, 1869. 

James. By &quot; W. Dane Bank.&quot; Sidgwick &amp; 
Jackson, 1914. 

Who wrote ' Sir Anthony and the Ewe 
Lamb,' published anonymously by Harper 
in 1903 ? ARCHIBALD SPABKE. 

AUTHOB OF QUOTATION WANTED. &quot; Life 
isn't all beer and skittles.&quot; 

JKANNETTE E. WATEBMAN. 
Pittsfield, Mass, U.S.A. 

[C. S. Calverley has the affirmative form of this- 
In his ' Contentment ' he says : 

Life is with such all beer and skittles ; 

They are not difficult to please 
About their victuals. 

' Cassell's Book of Quotations,' 
by Gurney Benham.] 

PORTRAITS WANTED. 1. George Gawler, 
1796-1869 ('D.N.B.'), Governor of South 
Australia. Is there a portrait in any of the 
contemporary illustrated papers ? 

2. F. D. Kirwan, author of the preface 
and illustrative notes to &quot; Transactions of the 
Parisian Sanhedrim .... London, 1807.&quot; I 
shall be obliged for the dates of his birth 
and death, and a few biographical details. 
Does a portrait exist ? What are his 
Christian names ? 

3. Dr. Edward Robinson, author of 
' Biblical Researches in Palestine,' 1841. 
I should be glad to have a few biographical 


details, and to know whether a portrait 
exists. 

4. John Hadley Swain, theological writer 
at the latter end of the eighteenth century. 
Does a portrait exist ? What are the dates 
of his birth and death ? 

5. Moses Wall translated and published 
the English version of ' Spes Israelis,' by 
Menasseh Ben Israel, in 1652, with ' Dis- 
courses upon the point of the Conversion 
of the Jewes.' Is anything known of this 
writer ? I should like to ascertain whether 
a portrait exists, and the dates of his birth 
and death. 

6. Roger Williams, 1604(?)-83, ' D.N.B.,' 
colonist and pioneer of religious liberty. 
Does a portrait exist, in this country or 
America ? 

7. James Young, English Vice-Consul at 
Jerusalem. I shall be obliged for the dates 
of his birth and death, and a few biographical 
details. Does a portrait exist ? 

ISBAEL SOLOMONS. 

LlBBABY OF THE LATE WlLLIAM WATKIN 
EDWARD WYNNE, OF PENIABTH, MEBIONETH- 
SHIBE. Mr. Wynne, who died in 1880, had 
a fine library of Welsh MSS. and local 
history. Can any one inform me who owns 
this library at the present day, or whether 
it was dispersed after his death ? 

T. J. 

Cambridge. 

ALEXANDEB SMITH ON POE. Alexander 
Smith, writing of Poe, said he was &quot; the most 
incorrigible blackguard of genius that has 
appeared in either hemisphere.&quot; That was 
about 1850. The Edinburgh Review about 
1865 described him as a &quot; blackguard of 
mark.&quot; Can any reader give me the 
references ? R. M. HOGG. 

Irvine. 


OLD WOOD CABVING : INSCBIPTION. I 
have in my possession an old davenport, 
which, in its present form, I believe dates 
from the early part of the last century. At 
any rate, it was in my father's possession 
when I was a child, now some seventy years 
ago. It is made up of old oak panels, carved 
in alto-rilievo, of apparently different ages. 
The most remarkable of them is the back 
panel, which is the largest, and I imagine 
the oldest. It contains a number of figures. 
There are clouds at the top, from the centre 
of which emerges a crowned head which 
I presume represents God the Father. On 
each side are angels. The principal figure 
is a knight with plumed helm, attended by 
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275 


THE EFFECT OF OPENING A COFFIN (11 S. 
xii. 300, 363, 388, 448, 465 ; 12 8. i. 91, 113, 
192, 295, 471). The following extract is from 
the ' Remarks and Collections of Thomas 
Hearne '* : 

&quot;1723. Dec. 30 (Mon.). There are no remains 
ni&gt;\v of Missenden Abbey in Bucks, only a 
Oloyster. . . .But there is a place which they say 
the Church stood on. . . .Several Coffins have been 
found here, and among the rest. near to the Place 
where the Church stood, was found, some Years 
agoe, one of Stone, wherein was an intire Corps, 
which had not been expos'd to the Air above 
lo Minutes before it was Ashes. In this Coffin 
were found a Lamp and a Crucifix, which, with 
the Ashes of the Corps, were committed to the 
Ground at the Request of Mrs. Fleetwood.f 
Mother of the then Lord of the Manor. Mr. 
Fleetwood's House was built out of the Abbey 
Materials.&quot; 

R. W. B. 

MBS. ANNE BUTTON (12 S. ii. 147, 197, 215). 
In reply to my inquiry I have received 
several interesting- letters of information 
concerning Mrs. Dutton. In particular I 
am indebted to a copy of the inscription 
upon her sepulchral memorial for some 
particulars slightly at variance with those 
contained upon p. 197 above cited. She died 
on Xov. 18, 1765, aged 73 years, after having 
been thirty-four years resident at Great 
Gransden, and her husband died in 1748, if 
the monument furnishes correct statements. 
One of its assertions is amazing : that she 
wrote and published twenty-five volumes of 
choice letters to friends, and thirty-eight 
tracts on divine and spiritual subjects. The 
names of the tracts are easily recoverable, 
but of the twenty-five volumes I have not 
at any time seen a copy ; nor do I know where 
one of the twenty-five is catalogued. Per- 
haps &quot; volumes &quot; is an error. 

In the British Museum Catalogue under 
title of her name are three volumes of his- 
torical, literary, and theological miscellanea, 
which upon examination prove to bear the 
heading of The Spiritual Magazine. This 
name was, at other times, borne by publica- 
tions not in any way connected with Mrs. 
Dutton. In the three volumes for the 
years 1761, 1762, and 1763, so far as I 
remember correspondents, evidently ignor- 
ant of Mrs. Dutton' s alleged editorship, refer 
to her as the Rev. Mr. A. D. 


* Printed for the Oxford Histminl Society, 
viii. 150. 

t Sarah, widow of William Fleetwood ; she 
died March 23 and was buried AFarrh 31, 1711, at 
Great Missrmlrn. Her s&lt;i;i .luhn died ft. p. in 1745, 
when the estate passed {&lt;&gt; liis &gt;M.&gt;r .Mary, widow 
of Thomas Ansell. 


I suspect that she attended the Tabernacle 
ministrations at Moorfields, during the 
period in which Howell Harris, Ingham, and 
Mr. Adams officiated, and in which White- 
field was absent in Georgia. If that con-' 
jecture be correct, she was probably an 
antagonist of Mr. John Cennick, hymn-writer 
and poet of merit and charm. The identi- 
fication would be of interest, for Mr. Cennick, 
hitherto much neglected, must one day come 
into his own. The years of her residence in 
London, under this hypothesis, would have 
nearly coincided with those of the absence of 
Mr. Benjamin Dutton in America. 

J. C. WHITEBBOOK, Lieut. 

PORTRAITS IN STAINED GLASS (12 S. ii. 172, 

211). In Christ Church Cathedral, Oxford, 
in a small window near his tomb, is the 
imaginary representation of Bishop King, 
last Abbot of Osney and first Bishop 
of Oxford. In St. Lucy's Chapel of the 
same cathedral is the Becket window, in 
which the head of the murdered prelate is 
obliterated, it is said by royal command. 

In Christ Church Hall, Oxford, is an oriel 
window on the south side (by Burlison 
and Grylls) with full -length portraits of 
Cardinal Wolsey, Sir Thomas More, Erasmus, 
the Earl of Surrey, Archbishop Warham,Dean 
Colet, Linacre, and Lily. In 1894 the lower 
lights of the window on the north side were 
filled by the representations of Burton, Fell, 
Aldrich, and Locke, seventeenth-century 
Christ Church worthies. St. Paul's Church, 
Oxford, built in 1836, has &quot; a memorial 
window to Canon Ridgway, containing 
among its figures portraits of the Canon and 
some of his contemporaries. St. John's 
College Chapel, Oxford, east window, has 
among its effigies Sir Thomas White, the 
founder, and Archbishop Laud. Particulars 
from Alden's ' Guide to Oxford.' 

STEPHEN J. BAKNS. 

Frating, Woodside Road, Woodford Wells. 

' In vol. xv. of the printed papers of the 
Sunderland Antiquarian Society there is a 
paper on ' The Historical Origin of some 
Proverbs and Familiar Allusions,' by Mr. 
G. W. Bain, a Vice-Presidetit of the Society. 
One of the allusions refers to &quot; She is a 
proud Cis,&quot; and after explaining that the 
phrase refers to Cicelv, the &quot; Rose of R;il&gt;v,&quot; 
daughter of Ralph Neville, Earl of W.-t- 
morland, wife of Richard of York and 
mother of Edward IV. and Richard III., 
the writer goes on to say : 

&quot; The only known portrait of Dame Cicely is in 
a stained-glass window of Penrith Church, together 
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their batons. In returning them the Provost 
usually delivers a short homily reminding 
the police of their duties, and expressing the 
hope that they may have little occasion to 
use their batons during the ensuing year. 
The ceremony was gone through on Nov. 14, 
when the Provost referred to it as &quot;an 
ancient custom,&quot; adding that he had never 
been able to find out the origin of it. Can 
any reader tell us ? H. B. A. 

BLOOMSBURY STREET-NAMES. Why were 
Barter Street, Bury Street, and Silver 
Street, in Bloomsbury, so named ? 

HENRY A. HOWARD. 

YATES. I should be glad of any in- 
formation concerning the following names : 
(1) George Yates, admitted to Westminster 
School in 1742, aged 9. (2) James Yates, 
son of Thomas Yates of Charlton, co. Oxford, 
who graduated B.A. at Oxford from Christ 
Church in 1742. (3) John Yates, admitted 
to Westminster School in 1778. (4) Min- 
shull Yates, admitted on the foundation at 
Westminster School in 1688. (5) Thomas 
Yates, admitted to Westminster School in 
1725, aged 8. G. F. R. B. 

COVENT GARDEN GREEN-ROOM nsr 1853. 
Can any one tell me the name of the artist 
who drew in water colours a picture of the 
green-room at Covent Garden Theatre in 
1853 ? It shows Mr. F. Gaye, the English 
composer, and manager of the theatre at 
that time, seated at the piano, accompanying 
a lady singer, whilst grouped around is a 
company of actors in costume, including 
Mario and Grisi. Could a member of the 
Gaye family oblige ? Perhaps there is a 
memorandum of this scene in their archives. 
EDWARD WEST. 

SIB ANDREW MELVTLL, 1624-1706. Can 
any reader give information as to whether 
there exists a portrait of Sir Andrew Melvill, 
soldier of fortune, whose memoirs were 
published in 1704 (Amsterdam, Jacques 
Desbordes) ? Born 1624. Son of John 
Melvill and Janet Kelly. Served in 
Flanders, 1647-8. At Worcester, 1651. 
Poland, 1655-60. Hungary, 1664. Entered 
service of Luneburg, 1666. Fought against 
France, 1672-8. Married La Motte, lady-in- 
waiting to Electress Sophia. Came to England , 
1660 ; 1667 ; also in 1680 with George Lewis 
of Hannover. Made M.D. at Oxford (Wood's 
' Fasti,' Feb. 25, 1681). Applied for birth - 
brief ; granted March, 1683 (Register of 
Privy Council of Scotland). Transcript of 


birth -brief given in 'NeuesyVaterlandisch.es 
Archiv,' 782. In 1685 invited by Sir John 
Cochrane to join Argyle's expedition (letter 
given in Sir William Eraser's 'House of 
Leven and Melville '). Died 1706. 

Any further information will be acceptable, 
and I should be glad, since time is of im- 
portance, if correspondents would com- 
municate with me direct. JOHN LANE. 

The Bodley Head, Vigo Street, W.I. 

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J. SHAFTO : SOLOMON DAYROLLES. The 
former is cited in Mr. Parnell Kerr's brilliant 
book entitled ' George Selwyn and the Wits.' 
The latter is referred to by the Whartons 
in their lively account of the Restoration 
period, &amp;c., in a work published in 1861, 
' The Wits and Beaux of Society.' I have 
an idea they were members of the Hebrew 
cdmmunity. Am I correct in this ? 

M. L. R. BRESLAR. 

Percy House, South Hackney, E.9. 

[Solomon Dayrolles was a godson and friend 
of Lord Chesterfield. There is a full account of 
him in the ' Diet. Nat. Biog.,' with numerous 
references to other authorities at the end.] 

LifeGE ABBESS AND CORPUS CHRISTI. 
On a brace beam of the roof in Marston 
Morteyne Church, Beds, opposite the north 
door, there is a coloured figure of an angel 
holding a shield with the chalice and wafer 
painted on it. In a line with it on a central 
boss of the roof is a crescent moon painted. 
It refers, of course, to the legend of the 
Liege abbess and Corpus Christi. Can any- 
bodv give other like instances ? 

A. G. KEALY. 

NEW TESTAMENT MS. OF THE FIFTEENTH 
CENTURY. SIR FREDERIC MADDEN ^sent 
from the British Museum to ' N. &amp; Q.' on 
March 28, 1850, the following query (1 S. 
i. 366) : 

&quot; The Add. MS. 15,521, in the British Museum, 
contains a copy of Lewis's edition of the Wyclifflte 
New Testament, printed in 1731, with manuscript 
notes by Ames and Lewis, and the former has 
transcribed into it some additional prologues, 
prefixed to each book of the New Testament, 
which had not been printed by Lewis, and weie 
taken by Ames from a MS. of the New Testament, 
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{{sc|J. Shafto: Solomon Dayrolles.}}—The former is cited in Mr. Parnell Kerr's brilliant book entitled 'George Selwyn and the Wits.' The latter is referred to by the Whartons in their lively account of the Restoration period, &amp;c., in a work published in 1861, 'The Wits and Beaux of Society.' I have an idea they were members of the Hebrew community. Am I correct in this?
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{{fine|[Solomon Dayrolles was a godson and friend of Lord Chesterfield. There is a full account of him in the 'Dict. Nat. Biog.,' with numerous references to other authorities at the end.]}}
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{{sc|Liège Abbess and Corpus Christi.}}—On a brace beam of the roof in Marston Morteyne Church, Beds, opposite the north door, there is a coloured figure of an angel holding a shield with the chalice and wafer painted on it. In a line with it on a central boss of the roof is a crescent moon painted. It refers, of course, to the legend of the Liège abbess and Corpus Christi. Can anybody give other like instances?
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{{sc|New Testament MS. of the Fifteenth Century.—Sir Frederic Madden}} sent from the British Museum to 'N. &amp; Q.' on March 28, 1850, the following query (1 S. i. 366):—

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{{fine block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Thomas Granger. It would be very desirable to learn what became of this MS. subsequently. Granger died in the following year, but the MS. does not appear in the sale catalogue of his library, nor is it found in the catalogue of Ames's own library, dispersed in 1700. Any information relative to this remarkable copy of the New Testament would be very acceptable,&quot; &amp;c.
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{{sc|Yeoman of the Mouth}}.—What were the duties of a Yeoman of the Mouth? From a grant of arms by Gilbert Dethick, Norroy, made in 1549, it appears that the grantee, Robert Gardiner of Lancashire, gentleman, was &quot;at this present tyme yeman for the Mouth to the King our Soveraigne Lord&quot;; and in Taxal Church, Cheshire, there is a mural tablet to Michael Heathcote, esquire, who died in 1768, and is described as &quot;Gentleman of the Pantry &amp; Yeoman of the Mouth to his late Majesty King George the Second.&quot;

Any particulars of this office would be welcome.
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{{sc|Composition for Veal and Lamb.}}—According to Redford and Riches's 'History of Uxbridge' (p. 119), the inhabitants of Hillingdon (Middlesex) in 1624, in consequence of some infectious disease, assessed three hundred acres &quot;towards the relief of the poor, and towards the composition for veal and lamb.&quot;

There is said to be recorded in Blount's 'Tenures' a somewhat similar composition in effect at Bradford in Wilts.

What is the precise purport of this composition? And what was its connexion with the outbreak of illness?
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{{sc|An English 'Garden of Health.'}}—Dr. Joseph Frank Payne in his article, published in vol. vi. (1903) of the Bibliographical Society's Transactions, 'On the &quot;Herbarius&quot; and &quot;Hortus Sanitatis,{{&quot; '}} states that &quot;there was never any English translation of the Latin 'Hortus Sanitatis,{{' &quot;}} the first edition of which with a date was published in 1491. Mrs. Arber in her book on 'Herbals' (Cambridge, 1912) mentions an incomplete French version (about 1500) and other translations, but not an English 'Garden of Health.' I had recently an opportunity to handle a copy of one for a few minutes. It was a somewhat bulky octavo, of which the title-page, preface (if any), and beginning of the description of &quot;herbs&quot; (about one-half of signature {{asc|A}}) were missing. Each pair of pages had the running heading 'Garden of Health.' The bulk of the volume was in black-letter, with the names of the plants, and the short recapitulations of the evils each plant was liable to produce or destined to cure, in Roman characters. There were no illustrations. Is this copy unique? Or am I unable to find the book in any catalogue because it is indexed under the author's name? It is not a translation, but merely an imitation (or rather an elaboration) of the Latin 'Hortus Sanitatis.' It is quite possible that Mrs. Arber knew of it, but did not include it in her book on 'Herbals' because it was not illustrated and was probably printed after 1670. There are two entries in MS. as regards ownership in 1689.
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The words are uttered and they flee.
Deep is their penitential moan,
Mighty their pathos, but 'tis gone.
They have declared the spirit's sore,
Sore load, and words can do no more.
Beethoven takes them then—those two
Poor, bounded words—and makes them new;
Infinite makes them, makes them young;
Transplants them to another tongue,
Where they can now, without constraint,
Pour all the soul of their complaint,
And roll adown a channel large
The wealth divine they have in charge.}}}}

Can any one tell me to what particular piece of Beethoven's works the above refers?

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{{sc|Canterbury Account Rolls.}}—Have any Account Rolls pertaining to the monastery of Christ Church, Canterbury, been published—particularly those of the Sacrist and Treasurer?
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [12 s. vi. MAY 15, 


The Clerk of the Crown's functions were 
to frame and record indictments against 
persons tried in the Court and to exhibit 
informations issuing from it. See Tomline's 
* Law Dictionary,' s.v. ' Clericus Coronse ' 
and ' King's Bench.' N. W. HILL. 

17 Woburn Place, W.C.I. 

The ' jST.E.D.' says that this person is an 
officer of the Chancery department, who 
issues writs of summons to peers in the 
House of Lords, and writs of election for 
members of the House of Commons, &amp;c. ; 
also an official who frames and reads indict- 
ments against public offenders. The present 
officer in London is Sir Claud Schuster. 

ABCHIBALD SPABKE. 

DARNELL AND THORP (12 S. vi. 170). An 
account of the Darnell family will be found 
in the ' Monthly Chronicle of North Country 
Lore and Legend,' vol. iv., 1890. It refers 
to Surtees's ' History of Durham,' and 
mentions a pedigree of the family recorded 
at the College of Arms in 1832, which com- 
mences circa 1750. 

ARCHIBALD SPABKE. 

MB. H. T. GILES will find all he asks for, 
I think, in connexion with these two families 
in J. W. Fawcett's ' Parish Registers of 
St. Cuthbert's, Satley, co. Durham,' Durham, 
1914, p. 163, under the pedigree of Darnell of 
West Shields by Satley. I.-F. 

FANI PABKAS (12 S. vi. 190). The British 
Museum Catalogue translates the Persian 
characters used by the author of ' Wander- 
ings of a Pilgrim,' &amp;c., into Fanny Parks, 
who may have been living or connected with 
the Asiatic Gallery, Baker Street Bazar, 
as a book by the same author gives an 
account of a grand moving Diorama of 
Hindustan, displaying the scenery of the 
Hoogly, Bhagirathi, and the Ganges, &amp;c., 
shown in London, c. 1851. 

ABCHIBALD SPABKE. 

I do not think the lady really intended to 
disguise her name. Is your Bombay corre- 
spondent quite sure about the vowels ? 
Her name may be Fanny Parkes or Perks. 
If on the other hand the vowels are correct, 
there may be some doubt about the initial 
consonant which may be a &quot; B &quot; and the 
name in that case would be Barkas. I know 
a family of that name. L. L. K. 

BIBLIOGRAPHY OF LEPEBS IN ENGLAND 
(12 S. vi. 150, 195). The following entry in 
Trinity Register, Dorchester, Dorset, shows 


that leprosy had not died out in England 
before the reign of James I. : 

&quot; 1604. Elizabeth Lawrence [corrected to* 
&quot; Elizabeth Appleby &quot;] a leper, was buryed ye 
xvth of March.&quot; 

R. GROSVENOB BABTELOT. 
The Vicarage, Fordington St. George, 
Dorchester. 

The late Sir James Y. Simpson wrote an; 
interesting monograph in 1841 on ' Leprosy 
and Leper Houses,' which was afterwards 
published in three parts in an enlarged 
form in The Medical and Surgical Journal of ' 
18412. This paper gives some five hundred 
references to works, many of which are but 
slightly known ; see the ' Memoir ' of the 
baronet, by Dr. John Duns, Edinburgh, 
1873, pp. 130-4. N. W. HILL. 

PORTUGTJESE EMBASSY CHAPEL (12 S. 

vi. 110, 171). Full information as to the 
Embassy Chapels in London will be found 
in ' Catholic London Missions,' by J. H. 
Harting, published by Messrs. Sands, 1903,- 
and ' The History of the Sardinian Chapel,' 
by the same author. 

The history of these Embassy Chapels 
teems with interest ; indeed few, if any,- 
buildings in London are so rich in heroic 
memories. G. M. GODDEN. 

SILVER PUNCH LADLE (12 S. vi. 64). 
It was a not uncommon practice for 
eighteenth-century silversmiths to inlay a 
coin of the period in the silver base of punch 
ladles. I possess two such, both with whale- 
bone handles, and each having a silver 
crown so inlaid. It was usual to tip the 
end of the flexible handle with silver also, 
which made a neat and graceful instrument 
for the purpose of filling the jovial glass of 
those days W. JAGGABD, Capt. 

GBOSVENOB PLACE (12 S. vi. 109, 156, 
198). I would refer MB. GATTY to a 
pamphlet 

&quot; Lecture on the Sanitary Conditions of Large 
Rooms, and of Belgravia. Delivered before the 
Rt. Hon. the Earl of Shaftesbury, and the Members 
of the Pimlico Literary and Scientific Institution, 
on March 16, 1857- With Notes and Topographical 
Memoranda, &amp;c., by C. J. B. Aldis. London, 1857.&quot; 
These Notes were compiled by Henry 
George Davies, whose copy is before me. 
From this I learn that 

&quot;a common lane had existed from the Park corner 
to the King's Road, but the Lock Hospital having 
been built in 1746-7, a broad road had been formed, 
and the King (Geo. III.) saw that his presence at 
Buckingham Palace would cause the line of build- 
ings to be continued.&quot; 

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NOTES AND QUERIES. [11 s. xn. JULY 17, 1915. 


BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION WANTED. 
I should be glad to obtain, any information 
about the following Taylors or Taylours who 
were educated at Westminster School : 
H) Cecil Taylor, son of Christopher Taylor 
of London, who graduated B.A. at Cambridge 
from Trin. Coll., 1769. (2) John Taylor, 
son of Thomas Taylor of York, who matri- 
culated at Cambridge from Trin. Coll., 1733. 
(3) Joseph Taylor, son of Dixie Taylor of 
Woburn, Beds, who graduated M.A. at 
Oxford from Ch. Ch., 1674, and became 
Rector of Exton, and of Hint on Ampner, 
Hants, in 1679. (4) Richard Taylor, son 
of Richard Taylor of Limerick, who was 
admitted on the foundation at Westminster, 
1756, aged 14. (5) John Taylour, who 
graduated M.A. at Cambridge from Trin. 
Coll., 1628. G. F. R. B. 

LIEUT. JOHN DESCHAMPS, R.A. This 
officer published a book in 1845 

&quot; Scenery and Reminiscences of Ceylon, by John 
Deschamps, Esq., from Original Drawings and Notes 
made by him during a Service of Nine Years, as an 
Officer of the Royal Artillery, in that Island. Pub- 
lished for the Author by Aekermann &amp; Co., 96, 
Strand.&quot; 

He was in Ceylon from 1828 to 1837. I 
should be glad of further particulars about 
him. Did he leave the service in 1837 ? In 
his Preface, dated 20 Dec., 1844, he explains 
that one of his reasons for publishing the 
book was 

&quot;to beguile the tedium of leisure hours, which, 
for the first time in his life, he found to hang heavy 
on his hands.&quot; 

PENBY LEWIS. 
Quisisana, Walton-by-Clevedon, Somerset. 

SIR CLOUDESLEY SHOVELL : HIS PORTRAIT 
BY W. DE RYCKE. I have an engraving by 
J. Smith, after W. de Rycke, entitled : 

&quot; S r Cloudislly Shovell, Knight, Rear Admiral ot 
the Red, on board their Ma ties Ship theRoyal William 
in y e late defeat given to the French, and also 
Lieut. Coll. of one of their Ma ties Marine Regi- 
ments.&quot; 

Can any of your readers tell rue where the 
portrait of this admiral, from which the 
engraving is taken, may be seen ? Is it the 
one, by an unknown artist, mentioned in 
the ' Diet, of Nat. Biog.' as being in the Town 
Hall of Rochester ? 

EBNEST H. H. SHOBTING. 

Broseley, Shropshire. 

STBABOLGI PEEBAGE CASE. In 1911 to 
1912 it was shown that on the death of 
David de Strabolgi the barony went into 
abeyance between his two daughters. Eliza- 
beth, the elder, married, first, Sir Th. Percy, 
from whom coheirs were traced ; her second 


husband was Sir Jn. Scrope, from whom no 
child was shown in the pedigree, though 
from Burke's ' Extinct Peerage,' &amp;c., there 
are probably descendants now living from a 
daughter Elizabeth, who married Th. Clarel 
of Aldwark, whose daughter married Sir R. 
Fitzwilliam. Could any one say if this is 
perhaps an omission, or if descendants from 
her second marriage should not be considered 
coheirs ? R. D. G. 

LACEY AS A PLACE-NAME. Can any 
reader tell me the origin of the word Lacey 
in connexion with several parishes in England, 
namely, Holme Lacey, Hereford, the home 
of the Scudamore family ; Kingston Lacey, 
Dorset, the home of the Bankes family ; and 
Polesden Lacey, Dorking, Surrey, late home 
of the Farquhar baronets ? 

LEONABD C. PBICE. 

Ewell, Surrey. 


THE SITE OF THE GLOBE. 
(11 S. x. 209, 290, 335 ; xi. 447 ; xii. 10.) 

IN my reply (ante, p. 10) to MBS. STOPES'S 
note, whiclTappeared at the fourth reference, 
I endeavoured to show, from the Coram 
Rege Roll of 1616 and other documents, 
that the Globe Playhouse of Shakespeare 
was on the north side of Maiden Lane, and 
not on the south, as MBS. STOPES contends. 
In my reply I left unanswered the various 
quotations from the &quot; Sewars Presentments &quot; 
which were made by MRS. STOPES, and about 
which she says : &quot; Nothing, therefore, in 
the Sewers Books suggests that the Globe 
lay north of Maiden Lane.&quot; 

The quotations, so far as they are applic- 
able, appear to me to indicate that, on the 
contrary, the Playhouse was on the north 
side. 

It should be here realized that it was 
incumbent upon the owners or occupiers of 
the land abutting upon these sewers, or open 
ditches, to keep them in repair, so as to 
prevent a nuisance being created. 

The first extract from the &quot; Sewars 
Presentments &quot; is from p. 143, in the year 
1587, as follows : 

&quot; We present Thomas Brand, or his tenant John 
Potter, to pyle, board, and fill up with earth nine 
poles of his'wharfe lying in Maiden Lane against 
the common sewer there.&quot; 

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and conferences to that end. With the recom- 
mendation of the sound spirituall and savoury 
worth of them to the sober and spirituall reader, 
by Vavasour Powell, Minister of the Gospell .... 
To which is added. The Manner of the discipline 
and practise of the Gathered Churches, &amp;c. 
London. Printed for Robert Ibbitson. 1651.&quot; 

The addition contains a typical &quot; Covenant.&quot; 

Space will not permit me to point out all 
the Walkerisms, so I will confine myself to 
one the attack on the Quakers render- 
ing it quite certain that Harvey could 
not have written the tract. After saying of 
Cromwell that he had to deal, 

&quot; by reason of his great place, with many of 
erring judgments, as well as others, the most 
obstinate of whom I have often heard him silence, 
discountenance their errors with the greatest 
detestation, especially when of fundamental 
consideration,&quot; 

the tract goes on to state as follows : 

&quot; As once, dealing with some of the Quakers, he 
rendered their opinions in the most dreadful yet 
truest character that I ever heard. Saying that 
they were such as took the Crown off the Head of 
Christ, disrobed Him of His priestly garments 
and denied His propheticall office by setting up 
a spirit of their own in the room of His ; by the 
whole utterly making voyd His mediatorship, 
Who is God blessed for ever. And that he had 
rather be buried alive under a heap of stones than 
in the least to countenance the same, and much 
more which I have now forgot.&quot; 

It is, I think, well known that this does not 
in the least truthfully describe Cromwell's 
attitude towards the Quakers, and any one 
who refers to Walker's news-book, Severall 
(or Perfect] Proceedings, for the year 1655, 
will find a series of the vilest personal accusa- 
tions against both Fox and his followers. 
In particular (to leave accusations of im- 
morality out of the question) he wrote as 
follows on 28 May, 1655 : 

&quot; Some papers were scattered about West- 
minster Hall this day, that the Quakers do 
acknowledge that there is a Heaven and a Hell, 
the Scriptures to be a declaration from the Spirit, 
and a Resurrection and Justification by faith in 
Christ. But there is no name to it ; it is a libell. 
I should be glad to hear of their conversions, or 
of any of them, from their black errors to the 
truth .... For I do not remember that I ever met 
with one of them that would own these funda- 
mental truths.&quot; 

The Quakers answered this accusation by a 
broadside entitled : 

&quot; Slanders and lyes, being cast upon the 
Children of Light, given forth to print from one 
Henry Walker, which R. Ibitson [sic] hath printed, 
that they deny the Resurrection and Heaven 
and Hell,&quot; &amp;c. 

But the condemnation placed by Walker 
in the mouth of Cromwell would seem to 
infer that the errors of the Quakers were 


those that Walker attributed to thero] on 
28 May, 1655 in fact, that they were 
&quot; fundamental,&quot; to use the word employed 
in both accusation and condemnation. 

J. B. WILLIAMS. 


FAMILY PORTRAITS AT EASTON 
MAUDITT. 

IN * An Inventory of the Earl of Sussex's 
Goods at Easton Mauditt,' co. Northants, 

taken in (Stowe MS. 779), is a list of 

family portraits which, according to Whel- 
lan's ' General and Manorial History and 
Directory of Northamptonshire,' 1849, were 
disposed of by public sale, presumably some 
time previous to 1809, when, it is stated, the 
seat of the Yelvertons was taken down :- 

No. 23. LORD'S BED CHAMBER. 
Lord Vise* Longueville 
S r John Talbot 
Lady Talbot 

No. 26. DRESSING ROOM. 
Queen Mary, Daughter to Henry 4 th , King of 

Spain 

Lord Visc fc Longueville when a child 
Late E. of Sussex when a child 
Lady Hatton [Frances, daughter of Sir Henry 

Yelverton, and wife of Christopher, Viscount 

Hatton] 
Lady Ingram 
Daniel in the Lyons Den 

No. 28. LITTLE DINING ROOM. 
Sir Henry Yelverton 

No. 29. LONG GALLERY. 
51 Prints of Noblemen's Seats 

No. 30. VELVET BED CHAMBER. 

Dowager Dutchess of Marlborough 

Lady Catherine Windham 

M ra Susannah Yelverton [? wife of Sir Henry, 

2nd Bart., or daughter of Henry, Viscount 

Longueville] 

No. 31. DRAWING ROOM. 

Dutchess of Somerset 

Lady Manchester [? Anne, daughter of Sir Chris- 
topher Yelverton, 1st Bart., and wife of 
Robert, 3rd Earl of Manchester] 

Lady Scarborough 

S r Henry Yelverton 

Lady Grey 

Lady Longueville 

Earl of Sussex 

Henry Pelham, Esq r , of Lewes [father of the wife 
of the 1st Earl of Sussex] 

M rs Pelham of Stanmer [? mother of ditto] 


No. 32. 
Queen Elizabeth 
Oliver Cromwell 


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NOTES AND QUERIES. [11 . xn. AUG. u, 1915. 


SYLVESTER DOUGLAS WILSON. Sylvester 
Douglas Wilson of the Ceylon Civil Service, 
Assistant Resident and Magistrate of Badulla, 
was killed by a party of Kandyans, who 
received him with a volley of arrows as he 
was advancing to have a conference with 
them at their own request. This was 
on 16 Sept., 1817, and it was the be- 
ginning of the Uva Rebellion, which took 
two years to suppress. His wife Sophia, 
*' daughter of Edmund Battersbee, Esq., 
of Stratford-on-Avon,&quot; had died, at the age 
of 24, on 24 May of the same year at Badulla, 
where her tombstone is still to be seen. 
This, a &quot; table tomb,&quot; with tablet at the 
end, is completely encircled by a bo tree (Ficus 
religiosa), which holds the memorial tablet 
&quot; firmly clasped in a perfectly upright 
position,&quot; while some of the bricks of the 
tomb have been lifted up into the tree to a 
height that can hardly be reached with a 
walking-stick. The inscription is quite 
legible, the tree having served to protect it. 
They were married at the parish church of 
Stratford-on-Avon on 2 March, 1811, and the 
register describes the bridegroom as of the 
parish of Fulham, Middlesex. There are 
portraits of Edmund Battersbee and of his 
wife, whose Christian names were Marie 
Sebastienne Sophie, and also two sketches 
of their house, &quot; Avonbank,&quot; at Stratford, 
exhibited on the walls of the Museum at 
New Place, Stratford. One of them was made 
before 1840. Mr. F. C. Wellstood of Strat- 
ford gives me the following information : 

&quot;Edmund Battersbee in partnership with 

William George Morris, kept the first banking 
establishment in Stratford. The bank was situated 
in the building now known as New Place Museum, 
adjoining the vacant site of Shakespeare's last 
home, and the Battersbees lived for some time in 
the next house on the other side Julius Shaw's 
house. The Battersbees do not seem to have been 

natives of Stratford Edmund Battersbee died 

on Nov. 10th, 1812. A decayed mural tablet on 
the outside of the church under the east window 
gives his age as 69 years.&quot; 

His only other child was a son, Thomas- 
who became a lieutenant 'in the Roj-al 
Engineers. In 1824, and probably earlier, 
Lieut. Battersbee was residing &quot; near Ayr 
in Scotland,&quot; and there were no Battersbees 
at Stratford after this date. 

&quot; Edmund Battersbee first obtained a lease of 
the premises which he occupied in Chapel Street 
in the year 1800, and after his death a new lease 
was granted by the Mayor and Corporation to 
his widow, executors, and partner, Morris, for a 
term of seventeen years .... Edmund Battersbee 
was possessed of a great deal of property in and 
near Stratford. In the eighties or nineties of 
the eighteenth century he had purchased the old 
college of Stratford (which stood near the church) 


of John, Earl of WaP.vick, afterwards Duke of 
Northumberland, but, to the great regret of the 
inhabitants of Stratford, he caused this historic 
building to be entirelv demolished in the years 
1799 and 1800.&quot; 

The &quot; Avonbank &quot; depicted in the sketches 
in the Museum 

&quot; stood north of the churchyard, and was anciently 
known as ' the house of St. Mary in Old Town.' 
It was taken down in 1866, and the present 
' Avonbank ' built some thirty yards or so away 
from the old site.&quot; 

I have given all these details about the 
Battersbees in the hope that they may elicit 
particulars from your correspondents as to the- 
pedigree and antecedents of S. D. Wilson ; 
with a view too, if possible, of obtaining a 
portrait of him for the Colombo Museum 
or the Badulla Kachcheri, where it should 
be of as much interest as those of his wife's- 
parents in the Museum at Stratford. 

PENRY LEWIS. 

PORTUGUESE BIBLIOGRAPHERS. 1 should 

be obliged for the dates of birth and death 
of the following Portuguese bibliographers : 
1. F. de P. Ferreirada Costa. What were his. 
Christian names ? 2. Innocencio Francisco 
da Silva. 3. Ribeiro dos Sanctos. What 
was his Christian name ? 

ISRAEL SOLOMONS. &quot; 

QUEEN MARIA SOPHIA ISABELLA, SECOND 
WIFE OF DOM PEDRO II. OF PORTUGAL. I 
should be obliged for the date of her birth 
and death, and particulars of parentage. 
ISRAEL SOLOMONS. 

LILLIPUT IN DORSETSHIRE. As readers of 
' N. &amp; Q.' doubtless know, there is a small 
district, with a post office of its own, near 
Parkstone, Dorset, called Lilliput. In the 
adjacent town of Poole, and in other neigh- 
bouring towns, such as Christchurch, there 
live families of Gullivers, a family name 
which has existed for centuries in those parts. 
I have often wondered if Swift had seen 
or heard of these two names, and used 
them for his immortal work. Or is Lilliput 
merely a name of modern invention for the 
district, as fitting to go harmoniously with 
the long-descended Gulliver ? A. R. 

JOHN WHITFIELD, GENT. Is anything 
known of this personage ? His will, proved 
in the Commissary Court of Canterbury, 1692, 
vol. Ivi. f. 35, mentions that he built his 
chambers in Brick Court, Middle Temple, 
which were entered to the society in the name 
of his nephew Francis Lovelace. He be- 
queathed to Canterbury, his native city, 
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Ayrton then proceeds in an extremely 
amusing manner to demolish the whole 
story. The memorial to Powel at Whit- 
church was not erected until 1835, as is 
recorded on the inscription, a copy of which 
is printed in 2 S. xii. 228. So far as my 
researches have gone, they confirm the 
impression that the story originated about 
the above year ; but I shall be most grateful 
to any reader who can furnish me with an 
authoritative reference of earlier date. 

R. B. P. 

COLOUR AND SOUND. Can any reader 
give information, or names of books, on the 
relation of colour and sound vibrations, 
and on the experiments, if any, which have 
been made on this subject ? K. M. B. 

[The Athenceum of Sept. 27, 1913, contained an 
article on 'Colour and Music,' describing a &quot;colour 
instrument &quot; invented by Mr. A. B. Hector. Re- 
ference is also made to Mr. A. Wallace Reming- 
ton's book on 'Colour-Music.'] 

PORTRAITS BY JAMES LONSDAXE. Can 

any one direct me to the present resting- 
place of the following portraits by this 
artist, which were exhibited at the Boyal 
Academy in the respective years shown? 

1. Miss&quot; Brooke (1803). 

2. Hon. C. J. Fox (1803). 

3. Capt, A. Nash (1806). 

4. G. V. Neunberg (1807). 

5. Capt.W. Bolton of H.M.S. Fisgard (1808). 

6. Madame Catalini (1809). 

7. O. Gilchrist, F.S.A. (1810). 

8. Col. Congreve, Equerry to the Prince 
Regent (1812). 

9. Sir C. S. Hunter, Lord Mayor of London 
(1813). 

10. W. Manning, M.P. (1814). 

11. Dr. Redout^ 181 5). 

12. Right Hon. Baron Wood (1816). 

13. Mr. J. Hunter, E.I.C.S. (1816). 

14. G. Bokenham, Esq. (1816). 

15. ./. Nollekens, R.A. (1818). 

16. Sir T. S. Raffles, Governor of Java (1818). 

17. Mrs. Linley (1820). 

18. Alderman Wood, M.P. (1821). 

19. G. Webb Hall (1821) ; presented to 
Mrs. Webb Hall by the Agricultural 
Associations. 

20. A. Morris, High Bailiff of Westminster 

(1822). 

21. Sir Tyrwhitt Jones (1822). 

22. W. R'oscoe (1823). 

23. T. C. Hofland (1823). 

24. Rev. Dr. Parr (1823). 

25. Robert Chaloner, M.P. for York (1825). 

26. Charles Mathews (1827). 

27. Edward Hodges Baily, R.A. (1828). 


28. General Gascoigne, M.P. for Liverpool 
(1829). 

29. Rev. J. Brooke (1830). 

30. Rev. Dr. Moore (1837). 

31. Right Hon. the Knight of Kerry (1838). 

32. Ro~versdale Grenfell (1838). 

33. Col. Ferguson (1838). 

T. CANN HUGHES, M.A., F.S.A. 
78, Church Street, Lancaster. 

D'ORSAY'S PORTRAITS. Can any reader 
tell me where I can see the set of 120 litho- 
graphs, by Richard J. Lane, of Count 
d'Orsay's portraits? D'Orsay drew 140, and 
120 of these were published by Mitchell of 
Bond Street. W. If. QUARRELL. 

AUTHOR OF QUOTATION WANTED. Can 
you tell me where the following quotation 
is to be found? 

Remember me is all I ask, 
But should remembrance prove a task, 
Forget me. 

W. P. FEENEY. 
Arts Club, W. 

LOUVATN : THE LIBRARIES. (See ante, 
p. 207). Can any one give me a list of the 
libraries of Lou vain ? -Have any catalogues 
of these been printed? and if so, where may 
these be consulted ? L. M. H. 


HATS. 
(11 S. x. 149.) 

WHAT G. M. means by saying 

&quot; that a member of Parliament, before addressing 
the Speaker or the Chair, puts on his hat, while 
the Speaker remains bare-headed or bare-wigged,&quot; 

is not clear. 

The Speaker is as above described in all 
circumstances. If a member wants to 
address the House in a speech, supposed to 
be addressed to the Speaker, beginning with 
such words as &quot; Mr. Speaker, Sir,&quot; or &quot; Mr. 
Speaker,&quot; his hat has no part in the matter, 
unless it be that the member thinks that 
he has a better chance of &quot; catching the 
Speaker's eye &quot; by the sudden removal of 
his hat. Sometimes a member puts on his 
hat in preparation for that purpose. 

Of course the member must be bare- 
headed when he addresses the House. He 
need not, however, have his hat with him. 
Formerly most members, other than 
Ministers, Opposition Front Bench men, 
and Whips, wore their hats when seated in 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. r t ii s. xn. CCT. ie, 1915. 


are all associated with times of tribulation. 
Perhaps the 33rd day in Omer, the period 
between Passover and Pentecost, might be 
-called &quot; a lucky day,&quot; because marriages 
are then contracted, I believe but am not 
quite sure, being a bachelor. 

M. L. R. BBESLAB. 

SCOTCH COUBT OF SESSION (11 S. xii. 101, 
166, 209). Your correspondent E. F. W. 
will find interesting information about the 
matter he refers to in an * Enquiry into the 
Law and Practice in Scottish Peerages,' 
by John Riddell, p. 628 et seq. 

It would be interesting if some further 
information could be gathered about the 
arly branches of the Fleming family, the 
Flemings of Bord, of Boghall, and of Baro- 
chan, who were acknowledged and included 
in most of the entails of the Earls of Wigton. 
Are any of these families still represented ? 

J. F. G. 

ALICE HOLT FOBEST (US. xii. 258). In 
the Register of John de Pontissara, Bishop 
of Winchester from 1282 to 1304, on fo. 114a 
is a paragraph headed : &quot; Ceo sunt les 
bundes de la foreste de Asiholt et de Wclve- 
mere les queus soleent estre en le tens le Rey 
Johan.&quot; The boundaries as given would 
certainly include the great wood above 
Bentley which now goes by the name of 
Alice Holt, and I feel no doubt that the 
latter is a corruption of the former. There 
are etymological difficulties in tracing the 
first element cf this word to ash. Searle in 
his ' Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum ' gives 
Asi and A esc as men' s names. The holt may 
have been on the property of an A si or Aesc. 
In Saxton's * Atlas ' (1579) -Alisholt 
Forest&quot; appears on the maps of both Hants 
and Surrey in the latter, of course, across 
the Hants border. C. DEEDES. 

Ohichester. 

PHOSPHOBESCENT BIBDS (US. xii. 213). 
E have read in Harting's ' Recreations of a 
Naturalist ' that herons are said to emit 
light. I wrote a note on the subject in 
Canary and Cage Bird Life, December, 1906. 

E. E. COPE. 

JOHN DAVENPORT (11 S. xii. 241) was a 
teacher of languages, and published his 
* Nuovo Dizion&amp;rio Italiano-Inglese-Ita- 
liano,' &amp;c. 2 vols., London, 8vo, in 1824, 
and a &quot; Terza edizione,&quot; in 3 vols. in 1828. 
He collaborated in the compilation of this 
Dictionary with Stefano Egidio Petronj. 
In 1854 appeared ' A New Dictionary of the 
Italian and English Languages,' based upon 


that of Baretti, compiled by J. Davenport 
and G. Connelati, 2 vols., London. There 
are other books by Davenport, for which 
see the British Museum Catalogue of Printed 
Books. ABCHIBALD SPABKE, F.R.S.L. 

SKULL AND IBON NAIL (US. xii. 181). 
Was there not a story of an English divine 
who was present when a skull of this kind 
was discovered, and who by its means 
brought a murderess to justice ? 

J. ABDAGH. 

A PHANTOM PARLIAMENT (11 S. xii. 29). 
The ' k Phantom Parliament &quot; inquired 
about by MB. PBITCHABD is not connected 
with a King of Prussia, but must refer to 
the visions seen by Charles XI. of Sweden. 
The story is briefly this : 

The King was sitting late in his private 
cabinet. He was gloomy and ill at ease. 
It may have been owing to the recent death 
of his Queen, who, it was well known, had 
not led a happy existence with him. He was 
advised by his physician, who was present, 
to retire for the night, but declined. Going 
to the window, he looked out, and to his 
surprise noticed that the windows of the 
great hall situated in the opposite wing of 
the palace were brilliantly illuminated. 
Getting no satisfactory reply from his 
alarmed courtiers, he determined to investi- 
gate the cause himself. Accompanied by 
his companions, who endeavoured to dis- 
suade him, he passed round the corridors 
until he came to the door of the Great Hall- 
When the door was opened he was astonished 
to find the hall filled with a great multitude 
of people. There were assembled the four 
orders of the State the nobility, the 
clergy, the citizens, and the peasants ; while 
on a raised dais, on a seat usually occupied 
by the King when addressing his subjects, was 
a bleeding corpse habited in the robes of 
royalty. On the right of this awful spectacle 
stood a child wearing a crown and holding a 
sceptre in its right hand. Near the throne 
were several severe and dignified persons 
robed as judges. None of the spectres 
appeared to notice the entrance of the King, 
but just then a young man of noble aspect 
was led in and beheaded, the head actually 
rolling to the King's feet, and splashing 
him with blood. 

The King now solemnly adjured one of 
the spectres to speak. The reply was that 
the scene now before the King was prophetic, 
and would be re-enacted in the flesh, when 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [11 s. vn. MAY 24, 1913. 


sadden shock at coming across the following 
on p. 145 : 

&quot;This Nimrod was the first whom, it seems, 
.&quot;Satan picked out for an hero. Here he inspired 
him with ambitious thoughts, dreams of empire, 
^ind having the government of all the rest, that is 
to say universal monarchy ; the very same bait with 
which he has played upon the frailty of princes, 
.and ensnared the greatest of them ever since, even 
from his Most August Imperial Majesty King 
Nimrod. the first, to his Imperial Majesty Napo- 
Ile in [.cj Bonaparte, and many a mighty monarch 
between. ' ' 

I have not access to the first edition of 
Defoe's work (7 May, 1726), but assume the 
aiame of Bonaparte has been inserted in 
tthe place of that of George I. 

However much the Bonaparte family may 
have been in the public eye in 1837, and 
however apposite the alteration, there is, 
to my mind, no justification whatever for 
-taking this unwarrantable liberty with an 
fiuthor's work. FBANK CUBBY. 

[The words for which Napoleon Bonaparte has 
(been substituted are &quot; the great King George.&quot;] 

LATIN LINES ON Music. At US. iii, 46 
the line 

Musice mentis medicina msestse 
was identified as coming from a Sapphic 
poem by Walter Haddon, every word in the 
iinal stanza of which begins with the letter 
m. The curious in such matters may care 
to see an even more surprising tour de force : 

Epigramma de eadem [sc. Musica]. 
Jl/usica moestitiam, minuit modulamine, mentis : 

F^iliter vires viuificatque viris. 
Fbertim yegetat virtutis voce vigorem : 

.ff^stituit requiem : robora rapta refert. 
^uauia solicitis satagans solatia subdit : 

Jf/rifice mentes Musica mira mouet. 
/ngenium iuuat ; impellit iocunda iacentes : 

.^4tis felices fertque facitque fauos. 
Oomminuit cordis cantu cultissima curas : 

SOL veluti studiis semina suppeditat. 
^Iddictos animos agitans attentat amore : 
LAbem languoris Iseta lepore leuat. 

The above, by Johannes Linckius, a 
Silesian, is to be found on p. 1104 of part iii, 
&lt; f ' Delitiae Poetarum Germanorum,' Frank- 
furt, 1612. Linckius must have felt glad 
when he finished it. How long did it take 
him, and what else had he to do ? 

EDWABD BENSLY. 

DlSCO VEBY OF AUSTBALIA : PRESS RE- 

PORT OF 1771. During the present month 
(March) the Trustees of the Melbourne 
Public Library have acquired possession of 
.an interesting document, which seems to 
deserve mention in ' N. &amp; Q.' It is a 
fragment of a number of The Bristol Journal 


for 27 July, 1771, containing the news of 
the discovery of Australia (by Capt. Cook). 
Strange to say, no mention is made of Capt. 
Cook. The report in The Bristol Journal 
is as follows : 

&quot; Dr. Solander and other gentlemen, who lately 
sailed round the world in the Endeavour frigate, 
discovered a southern continent in the latitude of 
the Dutch Spice Islands, the inhabitants of which 
are hospitable, ingenious, and civil, of a copper 
complexion, but handsome and well made. Mr. 
Banks passed some months among them, and col- 
lected many fine and curious plants, never seen in 
Europe before ; and, though these people were so 
politely civilised, it is very extraordinary that they 
have no kind of worship or religion among them. 
Two of the natives came voluntarily with Mr. 
Banks to Batayia, where they were amazingly 
struck with the sight of coaches and horses, having 
never seen either horses, cows, or sheep at George's 
Land, though they have many hogs. They were 
extremely surprised also at the sight of themselves 
and company in a looking-glass, but both died of 
the flux at Batavia. From this voyage we expect 
many discoveries and much entertainment. They 
had an excellent observation of the transit of 
Venus, but the ingenious Mr. Green died upon his 
return. Upon their arrival the Admiralty seized 
all the officers' papers.&quot; 

The document was acquired for a com- 
paratively trifling sum. 

ALEX. LEEPEB. 

Trinity College, Melbourne University. 


WE must request correspondents desiring in- 
formation on family matters of only private interest 
to affix their names and addresses to their queries, 
in order that answers may be sent to them direct. 


HAMPSTEAD MARSHALL AND SIR 
BALTHAZAR GERBIER, 

IN an article in Country Life, 29 March, 
1913, on Hampstead Marshall, Berkshire, the 
writer (C. W.) says : 

&quot;Even in the building of his houses he [Lord 
Craven] was not unmindful of the influence of the 
Queen [of Bohemia]. The ' stately pile ' which he 
set up at Hampstead Marshall was nothing less 
than a modest imitation of Heidelberg. It may 
well have been intended as a habitation for the 
Queen of Bohemia, since, though it was begun early 
in 1662, the year of her death, it was apubtless 
planned on her return to England. The history of 
the site is ancient and honourable. Originally the 
property of the Mareschalls or Marshalls, Earls of 
Pembroke, Hampstead Marshall came into the 
possession of the Bigods, Earls of Norfolk, and 
passed, in 1306, into the hands of the King. In the 
reign of Queen Elizabeth, Sir T. Parry, Treasurer 
of the Queen's Household, acquired it, and there 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [n s. VL Arc, 10, 1912. 


11. 

So they grew, and they grew, to the church 

steeple tops, 

And they couldn 't grow up any higher ; 
So they twin'd themselves into a true lover's knot 
For all lovers true to admire, 
For all lovers, &amp;c. 

WlLLOUGHBY MAYCOCK. 

[We thank COL. DURAND and MR. J. FOSTER 
PALMER for also kindly sending us the ballad. 
C'OL. DURAND gives it &quot; as written on the fly-leaf 
of my ' Vergil ' some sixty years ago &quot; ; MR. 
FOSTER PALMER is of opinion that the eighth 
stanza forms no part of the original. The 
versions present some slight verbal differences.] 

MILTON PORTRAIT BY SAMUEL COOPER 
(11 S. vi. 30). See the tercentenary cata- 
logue of ' The Portraits, Prints, and Writings 
of John Milton exhibited at Christ's College, 
Cambridge,' 1908, pp. 15-17, where Dr. 
G. C. Williamson describes the miniature 
by Cooper referred to by M. L. A. as chief 
among &quot; the large group of pretended 
portraits.&quot; With regard to its history after 
being sold to Reynolds, it is stated that 

&quot; the President bequeathed it to the Reverend 

William Mason, who in his turn, by his will, in 
1797, left it to William Burgh, Esq., LL.D., of 
York, and from him it passed into the possession 
of the Morritt family, and has been preserved at 
Bokeby for many years.&quot; 

That Sir Joshua was satisfied of its authen- 
ticity seems clear, but that his defence of it 
in The Gentleman's Magazine was successful 
can hardly be maintained. 

EDWARD BENSLY. 

Of -this Leslie Stephen in the ' D.N.B.,' 
xxxviii. 37, says : 

&quot; A miniature by Samuel Cooper once belonged 
to Reynolds, who had a controversy about it 
with Lord Hailes in The Gentleman's Magazine 
for 1791 ; but it seems to be clearly not Milton 
(Masson, i. 66n., 308-lOn. ; vi. 754-7u; ; and 
Sotneby, Ramblings,' pp. xvii-xxv ; J. Fitchett 
Marsh m Lancashire and Cheshire Historic 
Society, 1855).&quot; 

There is a Cooper miniature of Milton in 
the collection of the Duke of Buccleuch 
at Montagu House. A. R. BAYLEY. 

WILLIAM PENN OR GEORGE PENNE (US. 
vi. 49). I cannot answer MR. BEVERIDGE'S 
question about Walden ; but perhaps I 
may mention that Macaulay was in error 
in mentioning William Penn's name in 
connexion with the ransom of the Taunton 
Maids. This was granted to the Maids of 
Honour at Court ; they appointed George 
Penne of Toller Whelme, co. Dorset, their 
agent for making the best terms he could 
with their parents and friends. At the 
same time George Penne received a grant 


of 100 prisoners for himself, as a set-off 
against his losses in the Royal cause. See 
Somerset and Dorset Notes and Queries, vol. ix. 
p. 353. FRANK PENNY. 

WEATHER RIME (US. vi. 48). A string 
of such jingles, pieced together from Tusser's 
' Five Hundred Points of Good Husbandry/ 
will be found in Northall's ' English Folk- 
Rhymes &quot; so the compiler spelt it pp. 450, 
451. ST. S WITHIN, 

Your correspondent is joining together 
two independent rimes. The first of them 
is quoted by Ray in an older form : 
April showers bring forth May flowers. 

The other has many forms, but is supposed 
to be Scottish in origin in the form quoted 
by Thiselton Dyer : 

A leaky May and a dry June 
Keeps the poor man's head abune. 

Chambers (' The Book of Days ') has : 

Mist in May, and heat in June, 
Make the harvest right soon. 
Dyer again has this, in a somewhat 
different sense : 


A good leak in June 
Sets all in tune. 


C. C. B. 


I have been interested in the subject of 
weather rimes for many years, and have a 
large collection of notes and cuttings dealing 
with the subject. I have never before heard 
that the two couplets mentioned by SILO 
were in any way connected. I believe them 
to be totally distinct effusions, and not 
fragments of a larger effort. 

JOHN T. PAGE. 

Long Itchington, Warwickshire. 

AUTHOR OF QUOTATION WANTED (11 S. 
vi. 49). The verses are in Dryden's play 
' Aureng-zebe, : Act IV. sc. i., in the scene 
between Aureng-zebe and Nourmahal, and 
deserve to be given correctly and in full : 

Aur. When I consider Life, 'tis all a Cheat ; 
Yet, fool'd with Hope, men favour the Deceit ; 
Trust on, and think To-morrow will repay : 
To-morrow 's falser than the former day ; 
Lies worse ; and while it says, We shall be blest 
With some new Joys, cuts off what we possest. 
Strange Cozenage ! none would live past Year* 

again, 

Yet all hope Pleasure in what yet remain ; 
And, from the Dregs of Life, think to receive 
What the first sprightly Running could not give, 
I 'in tir'd with waiting for this Chymick Gold, 
Which fools us young, and beggars us when old. 
WM. E. BROWNING. 

[MR. THOMAS BAYNE, MR. H. DAVEY, M. H- 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. tn s. i. MAE. 12, 1910. 


Rossall. 1844-94. T. W. Ashworth, 1895. 
Rugby School. 1675-1849. 1881. 1842-74 

A. T. Michell, 1902. 1874-87. 1891. 

Naval and Military. T. L. Bloxam (1865). 

Companion, 1675-1870. T. L. Bloxam 

1871. 

Sedbergh School. 1546-1895. B. Wilson, 1895 
Sherborne School. 1823-92. H. H. House, 1893 
Tiverton, Blundell's School. 1770-1882. A- 

Fisher, 1904. 
Tonbridge School. 1820-93. A. O. Hughes 

Hughes, 1893. 

Uppingham School. 1824-1905. Third issue, 1906 
Wellington College. 1859-73. 1873. 
Westminster. 1561-1851. J. Welch, new ed 

!852. 1764-1883. G. F. R. Barker and 

A. H. Stenning, 1893. 
William's, King, See Isle of Man. 
Winchester. Scholars, 1393-1887. T. F. Kirby 

1888. Commoners, 1836-90. C. W. Holgate 

1891. Register, 1836-1906. J. B. Waine 

wright, 1907. 
Woodhouse Grove. By J. T. Slugg. See under 

Kingswood. 

W. C. B. 


SIB ROGER DE COVEBLEY'S PORTRAIT 
GALLEBY. In the essay on the Coverley 
portraits in The Spectator (No. 109), in which 
Sir Roger shows the Spectator round his 
gallery, Steele has made an amusing mistake, 
which I have not yet seen pointed out. ' ' If 
you please to fall back a little, n says Sir 
Roger, 

&quot; because it is necessary to look at the three next 
pictures at one view ; these are three sisters. She 
on the right hand who is so very beautiful, died a 
maid; the next to her, still handsomer, had the 
same fate, against her will ; this homely thing in 
the middle had both their portions added to her 
own, and was stolen by a neighbouring gentle- 
man &quot; 

What about &quot; she on the left hand &quot; ? It 
seems neither fair nor honest to describe 
&quot;this homely thing in the middle' 1 twice, 
and with two different accounts, and then 
pass on. DONALD A. MACKENZIE. 

The University, Manchester. 

SHAKESPEABE AND THE MOUNTJOYS. 
How came Shakspere to know and dwell 
with the French Mount joys of Silver Street in 
the way so excellently worked out by Prof. 
Wallace ? One can only surmise, but it 
seems to me very possible that the first con- 
nexion was through Richard Field. 

On 21 Aug., 1592, John Shakspere was 
one of the appraisers of the goods of Henry 
Field, tanner, of Stratford-on-Avon. Henry's 
son Richard, like many another youth of 
those days, and these, came to seek fortune 
in London, where be became apprentice 
to Vautrollier, the French printer. The 
end of that apprenticeship, like the end of 
Stephen Billott's, was that in 1588 he 


married into the family, and let us hope, 
with happier results. In any case, Field, 
having wedded Vautrollier's daughter (some 
say widow; but that, on the point of age, 
seems impossible.), finally took up his business 
on Vautrollier's death (see Mrs. Stopes on 
this, 'Shakespeare's Warwickshire Contem- 
poraries,' pp. 6, 7). 

That Shakspere knew Field is certain. 
Field it was who entered ' Venus * in the 
Stationers'' Registers on 18 April, 1593, and 
assigned it to Master Harrison, sen., on 
25 June, 1594, and who published ' Lucrece.' 

If Jacqueline Field and Vautrollier knew 
the Mount joys and it seems likely it 
would be thus that the Shakspere-Mount- 
joy connexion started. JOHN MUNBO. 

SHAKESPEABE ALLUSIONS. The following 
have not, I believe, been collected at 
least they do not appear in the ' Allusion 
Book ' : 

1: Leu[casia]. . . .it seem' d to me as preposterous 
as to see the Bear making Love to the Gentle- 
woman with the Bears-face, or the Woman in 
Shakespeare, kissing the Fellow with the Asses- 
head. ' The Folly of Priest-craft : a Comedy,' 
London, 1690, p. 18. 

2. &quot; Then, when we have mix'd all these noble 
ingredients, which, generally speaking, are as 
bad as those the Witches in ' Mackbeth ' jumble 
in the caldron together to make a Charm, we 
fall too [sic] contentedly, and sport off [sic] an 
afternoon.&quot; ' A Collection of Miscellany Poems, 
Letters, &amp;c. By Mr. Brown,' &amp;c., London, 
1699, p. 318. 

3. &quot; I can answer for nobody's palat but my 
own : and cannot help saying with the fat Knight 
&quot;n ' Harry the Fourth,' If sack and sugar is a sin, 
:he Lord have mercy on the wicked.&quot; Ibid.. 

p. 327. 

4. &quot; Even that Pink of Courtesie, Sir John 
?alstaff in the Play, who never was a niggard 

of his lungs, yet wou'd not answer one word when 
}he must was put upon him. ' Were Reasons,' 
jays that affable Knight, ' as cheap as Black- 
berries I wou'd not give you one upon compulsion,' 
which is but another word for Dutv.&quot; Ibid., 
. 338. 

The letter containing Nos. 2 and 3 is 
dated &quot; June 2, 92. &quot; G. THOBN-DBUBY. 

CATALOGUES or MSS. In * N. &amp; Q.' for 
6 July, 1892 (8 S. ii. 44), MBS. C. A. WHITE 
expressed a wish that curators of private 
ibraries should catalogue the MSS. in their 
ustody. As I am not aware of anything 
laying been done to carry out her sugges- 
ion (though if this is a mistaken impression, 
'. shall be glad to learn that it is so), may I 
herefore reiterate that wish, and also that 
he catalogues should be published ? 

Probably I shall be told that if owners of 
1SS. published catalogues of their collec 


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Surely MB. BAYNE is a little hypercritical 
in assuming that there is a misprint of fourth 
for fifth commandment in his quotation. 
The Roman branch of the Church makes the 
first two into one, thus putting each number 
a place forward, but, keeping the total to ten, 
divides the last into two. M. L. 

' A CRITICAL REVIEW OF THE PUBLICK 
BUILDINGS, &amp;c., IN LONDON,* 1734 (11 S. 
i. 189). A second edition of this work was 
published in 1736. Anderson, ' British 
Topography,' 1881, gives the title thus : 
' A new critical review of the public buildings, 
statues, and ornaments, in and about London 
and Westminster,' second edition, London, 
1736, 12mo. He does not supply the 
name of the publisher. Lowndes also mentions 
the 1736 edition as having been sold at the 
Xassau sale for 7s. The publishers of the 
second edition were possibly the same as 
those of the first. Lowndes unhesitatingly 
attributes the authorship of the book to 
&quot; James Ralph,&quot; and terms it &quot;a satirical 
piece.&quot; Presumably, this second edition 
is the one to which MB. ABRAHAMS refers. 

W. SCOTT. 

STAVE PORTERS (11 S. i. 10). I think 
the origin of this sign must be in accordance 
with the editorial note, and for this reason. 
Among the Beaufoy tokens there is one 
which Mr. Burn describes erroneously, 
I think as the Two Drovers ; but there 
is nothing to indicate with certainty that 
this is so, for the token bears a representa- 
tion of two men with staves. These are 
evidently the cowl-staves, or stangs, used to 
carry burdens, supported on the shoulders 
of two bearers, and seen in the sign of &quot; The 
Two Brewers,&quot; &quot;The Two Draymen,&quot; &amp;c., 
who are represented thus carrying a cowl, 
which is a tub or barrel used for conveying 
water or beer. Thus also the sign of 
&quot;The Bunch of Grapes n is represented by 
two cowl -staff porters bearing an enormous 
bunch of grapes between them ; and we 
may even go back as far as the days of 
Pompeii (A.D. 70) for an instance in which 
two slaves are bearing a wine-amphora 
lKween them, suspended from such a staff. 
This was the sign of a wine merchant. 

J. HOLDEN MACMlCHAEL. 

Two men carrying a load too heavy for 
one, slung on a stave or pole between them 
from shoulder to shoulder, would virtually 
be &quot;stave porters.&quot; When a lad I saw 
blocks of stone carried in this way, by means 

' a short, but stout pole thrust through 
or under a chain passed round the block. 


I remember, too, seeing in Derby some casks 
and boxes warehoused in this manner 
in the bottom floor of a building. In 
&quot; s tang-riding &quot; the effigy was carried in 
this manner, tied on a stang or stave. In 
fact, amongst Derbyshire folk the name 
of a pole of this kind was &quot; a stang.&quot; In the 
villages where the spring or well was some 
distance from the houses- often the case 
the children went for pails of water, bringing 
it home on a stang put through the handle 
of the pail. THOS. RATCLIFFE. 

Worksop. 

THE CBADLE OF HENBY OF MONMOTJTH 
(11 S. i. 183). 

&quot;Aug. 8. Sunday. Saw at the Vicar's, M r Ball, 
Henry the 5 th cradle, made of wood.&quot; 

This is an extract from the diary of the Hon. 
William Hervey in 1779, and removes all 
doubt as to the vicar. The diarist had 
served in North America under General 
Gage, and at this time was visiting him at 
High Meadow in Newland. S. H. A. H. 

DEW-PONDS (10 S. xi. 428, 474 ; xii. 17). 
The Geographical Journal, August, 1909, pp. 
174-95, contains a paper entitled ' Some 
Observations on Dew-Ponds,' by Mr. Edward 
A. Martin, F.G.S., read before the Royal 
Geographical Society on 22 . April, 1909, 
with diagrams and discussion on the paper. 
FBEDK. A. EDWABDS. 

DR. JOHNSON'S BOOTS (11 S. i. 184). 
HIPPOCLIDES seems in doubt whether 
during the doctor's time &quot;Wellingtons&quot; 
were made &quot;rights and lefts.&quot; I feel sure 
they were not. I have seen them made 
&quot;straights&quot; a technical term for wearing 
indifferently on either foot in modern 
times, on account of the simplicity of use. 
A Wellington is not an easy boot to slip into, 
and men in a hurry to mount could ill afford 
to make mistakes of that sort. 

With regard to slippers for men and 
women, until the nineties I made thousands 
of pairs per annum, &quot; straights &quot; only an 
ugly style. M. L. R. BBESLAB. 

CAPT. BBOOKE AND SIB JAMES BBOOKE 
(11 S. i. 130, 213). I heartily thank MB. 
J. N. DOWLING for his reply to my query. I 
was hoping that &quot; Capt. Brooke &quot; great- 
grandfather of the Rajah would prove 
to be the son (Capt. Arthur Brooke) of 
Henry (' Fool of Quality ') Brooke, or a kins- 
man, because Henry Brooke and his brother, 
and Henry's nephew Robert, and others of 
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WE must request correspondents desiring in- 
formation on family matters of only private interest 
to affix their names and addresses to their queries, 
in order that answers may be sent to them direct. 


SIB JOHN ABTJNDEL OF CLEBKENWELL. 
Who was this knight who contributed 50Z. 
to the Spanish Armada fund in 1588 ? In 
the registers of St. James's, Clerkenwell, 
between 1580 and 1589, there are five entries 
of the burials of servants of Sir John Arundel, 
.and in 1591-3 of servants of John Arundel, 
Esq., though not of the knight himself. The 
name appears to have continued in the 
parish for some time. W. D. PINK. 

MBS. BBOWNING'S PORTRAIT. I under- 
stand that a coloured crayon drawing of Mrs. 
Browning appeared in a London saleroom in 
1908, but I have been unable to trace it. 
Can any reader give me information regarding 
its present ownership ? 

W. J. WILLIAMS. 

The Bungalow, Addlestone, S.O., Surrey. 

GLADSTONE ON THE UPAS TBEE. Can 
.any reader kindly give me a reference to 
Gladstone's use of the phrase &quot;upas tree &quot; ? 
I believe he used it in a speech, or perhaps a 
letter, during the sixties. My search has 
liitherto been fruitless, and I shall be glad to 
trace the occasion on which Gladstone used 
the words. H. T. C. 

&quot; THAT MAN is THOUGHT A DANGEBOUS 
KNAVE.&quot; A poem, belonging, I think, to the 
middle of the last century, and entitled, I 
believe, ' The Men of Old,' begins : 

That man is thought a dangerous knave, 

Or zealot plotting crime, 
Who for advancement of his kind 

Is wiser than his time. 

Who is the author ? E. V. L. 

* BBITONS, STBIKE HOME! ' Who wrote 
the words of this song ? V. H. C. 

[The song is No. 44 in Dr. F. J. Sawyer's ' Graded 
iSchool-Song Book ' (published by the Vincent Music 
Company), but a note at the head of it says : 
&quot; Modern words by F. J. S., except verse 3, which 
is traditional.&quot;] 

' RALPH ROISTEB DOISTER.' Udal died 
in 1555. Is there any authority for suggest- 
ing that the prayer for the Queen with which 
the play ends was written by another hand 
in praise of Mary's successor ? It is true 
that the &quot; flagellant head master of Eton &quot; 
was not in disfavour with Mary, but would 
a divine with such Protestant leanings have 


prayed that she should defend the faith ? 
If J. A. Symonds and the editors of the play 
in &quot; The Temple Dramatists &quot; are correct, 
' Ralph Roister Doister ' was written before 
1553, and therefore before any queen sat on 
the throne of England. 

The lines are quite in keeping with Eliza- 
bethan eulogy. The play was not printed 
until, the eighth year of Elizabeth's reign. 

P. A. McELWAINE. 

SHAKESPEABE : TALLIS &amp; Co.'s EDITION. 
I shall be glad to learn the literary value 
of the three-volume edition of Shakespeare's 
works, published by Messrs. Tallis &amp; Co. I 
subjoin a copy of the title-page. 

&quot; The Complete Works of Shakspere | Revised 
from the original Editions | with | Historical and 
Analytical Introductions to each Play [ also | Notes 
Explanatory and Critical and Life of the Poet | by 
J. O. Halli'well, Esq. F.R.S. F.S.A. | Member of 
the Council of the Shakspere Society etc. | and 
other eminent Commentators. | Elegantly and 
appropriately illustrated by | Portraits engraved 
on steel, from daguerreotypes | of the greatest and 
most intellectual actors | of the age. 1 Taken in the 
embodiment of the varied | and life-like characters 
of our great national I poet. | Comedies. | Printed 
and Published by John Tallis and Company | Lon- 
don and New York.&quot; 

When was this edition published, and how 
many copies were issued ? Has it any 
relation to a superb edition published, or 
prepared, by J. O. Halliwell, in 16 volumes, 
of which only -150 copies or so -were printed ? 

GEO. CONNELL. 

WILLIAM EVATT, CLEBK OF THE HOUSE 
OF COMMONS 1784-1802. I should be glad 
to know if William Evatt of St. Paul's, 
Co vent Garden, who married in 1763 Susan 
Brown of Hackney, had previously married 
a Miss Taverner. I notice that Francis 
Taverner was with William Evatt a witness 
to another Evatt marriage in 1755. 

G. J. H. EVATT, Surgeon-General. 

Junior United Service Club, S. W. 

&quot; WELCOME AS THE FLOWEBS IN MAY.&quot;- 
How old is this form of greeting ? It was 
in constant use years ago amongst ordinary 
folk, and many a stranger has been greeted 
as a friend by &quot; A'wm glad ter sey yo : y'or 
as welcome as flowers i' May.&quot; How far 
back can it be traced ? 

THOS. RATCLIFFE. 

Worksop. 

' THE COMING NATION.' Address wanted 
of publisher of an English periodical, The 
Coming Nation. It is not in the B. M. 
Catalogue. W. H. SHBUBSOLE. 

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NOTES AND QUERIES. [ii &amp; vi. OCT. 19, 1912. 


PORTRAIT OF SlR PETER LELY. In the 

will of Richard Lely of Lincoln's Inn, 
barrister-at-law, proved in P.C.C. 22 Dec., 
1736 (273 Derby), is the following bequest : 

&quot; To my friend Richard Backwell, esquire, of 
Great Billing, Northamptonshire, a three-quarter 
head of Sir Peter Lely painted by himself.&quot; 
Where is this portrait now ? 

The testator, Richard Lely, was son of 
John Lely and grandson of the great painter. 
He mentions in his will his eldest son John 
Maecenas Lely, his youngest son Francis 
Scrope Lely, his daughter Rebecca Lely, 
and his brother Peter Lely. 

Is not this Peter Lely the same person 
as Peter Lely of Lincoln, attorney-at-law, 
who was buried at Fiskerton, 8 Aug., 1761 ? 
See pedigree in ' Lincolnshire Pedigrees ' 
(Harleian Society), p. 594. Mr. Larken and 
Canon Maddison seemed unable to trace 
the connexion between Peter Lely of Lincoln 
and the painter, but this will was unknown 
to them. W. G. D. F. 

&quot; COMMUNION HALPENS.&quot; In the Church- 
wardens' Accounts of St. Nicholas's, Warwick, 
an entry similar to the following constantly 
appears on the receipt side : 

&quot; Item for the Recette of the com- 
munion for the hoolle yere . . . . iiijs. vjd.&quot; 
This is occasionally followed by 
&quot; Item Receiued at the Communion at 

Easter the summe off . . . . xijs. jd.,&quot; 

but more frequently (as in 1577) by 

' Item Receauyd at Easter for the 
communion halpens . . . . xs. xjd.,&quot; 

and in the following year : 

&quot; Item Receiued at Easter for the Com- 
munion halpens of the parisshe . xiijs.&quot; 
In 1580 : 

&quot; Item Receiude towardes breade &amp; 

wyne at Easter ^, . . ,. xs. viijrf.&quot; 

In 1581 : 

' ' Item Receaued off the parisshe by 
custom as the receue at the com- 
munion for the hoolle yere . . . . x.,&quot; 

but in the next year there is a repetition 
of the expression &quot; communion halpens, 
xjs. iiije?.&quot; 

I am not at all clear as to the correct 
inference to be drawn from these entries, 
and shall be much obliged to any of your 
readers who will kindly enlighten me. Is 
the word &quot; halfpence &quot; loosely applied to 
the total of the &quot; Communion money &quot; 
collected on the Sundays (other than Easter 
Day), with or without a celebration ? or 
were &quot; halfpence &quot; contributed by the 


parishioners during the year to enable the 
churchwardens to purchase bread and wine 
for the Easter Communion ? A. C. C. 

[This subject has been discussed at the following- 
references : 2 S. vi. 432, 506 ; vii. 58 ; 5 S. ix. 
248, 398 ; x. 39, 77, 108 ; xi. 14, 51, 515 ; 6 S. v. 
475.] 

&quot;HONEST&quot; EPITAPH: ROYAL SOCIETY'S 
250TH ANNIVERSARY. (See ante, pp. 181, 202, 
223, 243, 261, 282.) May I ask a question 
respecting the epitaph quoted by MR. J. C. 
FRANCIS at the penultimate reference ? Is it 
known from whom it emanated, and does it 
refer to a genuine tombstone memorial ? If 
so, I shall be glad to know its location. 

In Southam Churchyard, Warwickshire, 
the following version of the last four lines 
appears on a stone to the memory of 
&quot; John Dixon, who died April 26th, 1831, 
aged 76 years &quot; : 

This monumental stone will show 

Where lies an honest man ; 
Let monarchs who are laid as low 

Rise higher if they can. 

I am specially interested in &quot; honest '* 
epitaphs, as will appear from a reference 
to 9 S. x. 306. JOHN T. PAGE. 

Long Itchington, Warwickshire. 

JOHNSON'S ' DICTIONARY : : &quot; OCEAN. &quot;- 

In his 'Life.' John Taylor, oculist to George 
III. and George IV., states (vol. i. p. 7) 
that Derrick the poet suggested to Dr. 
Johnson the omission of the word &quot; ocean &quot; 
from the first edition of the ' Dictionary.' 
Is there any known corroboration or explana- 
tion of this suggestion ? 

MARGARET LAVINGTON. 

JENNER FAMILY. A Robert Jenner was 
.presented to the living of Lydiard Millicent, 
Wilts, 1665, by William Jenner of Marston r 
Wilts (see ' Church Plate of Wiltshire,' by 
J. E. Nightingale, F.S.A.). A memorial 
slab on the floor of the church on left of the 
south entrance records his death on 20 March, 
1723, aged 88, with arms, A fesse between 
three fleurs-de-lis. According to Foster's 
' Alumni Oxon.' he was described as 
&quot; plebs &quot; on matriculating at Magdalen, 
1651. He held a living in Worcestershire ( ?), 
1663-70. It may be that he is identical 
with Robert, son of William Ginner, of 
Marston Meysey, baptized on 1 Dec., 1636, 
at Meysey Hampton Church. 

On 29 May, 1671, there is an entry in the 
Lydiard Millicent register of the baptism of 
a son of the rector, another Robert, who also 
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NOTES AND QUERIES. [io s. XL JAN. IG, 1909 


Paul Bushe, Prior of the Bonhommea at 
Edington in Wiltshire, was appointed first 
Bishop of Bristol (a see then newly created), 
16 June, and consecrated 25 June, 1542 ; 
and it is not likely that he married until he 
became a bishop, or until after the death 
of Henry VIII. At the entrance to the 
north choir aisle from the Lady Chapel in 
Bristol Cathedral there is a canopied tomb 
(with an emaciated cadaver under the 
canopy) which is said to be that of Bishop 
Paul Bushe ; his wife, Edith Ashley by 
name, lies buried close by under the altar 
steps. 

The epitaph and Latin verses connected 
with it are recorded by Browne Willis. 
Whether they are now existent I do not 
know. They may have been renovated, 
but they seem worthy of a place here : 

&quot; Hie jacet Dominus Paulus Bush primus hujus 
Eeclesiae Episcopus, qui obiit 11 die Octobris A.D. 
1558. JEtatis suse 68. Cujus animse propitietur 
Deus. 
Dignus qui primam circum sua tempora mitram 

Indueret, jacet hie Bristoliense decus. 
A patre Bush dictus, Paulum Baptisma vocavit, 

Virtu te impleyib nomen utrumque sua. 
Paulus Eclintonise bis messes preco secutus 
instituit populum dogmate, Christe, tuo. 
Ille animos verbis impensis payit egenos, 
Hinc fructum arbusto prsebuit illesuo. 
Ut madidos arbusba juyant, sic foedere rupto 
Inter discordes pacificator erat. 

F. DE H. L. 

MB. A. C. JONAS at the penultimate refer- 
ence is mixing up two bishops called William 
Barlow : the first (successively occupant 
of the sees of St. Asaph, St. Davids, Bath 
and Wells, and Chichester) died in August, 
1568 ; the second (successively occupant 
of the sees of Rochester and Lincoln) died 
7 Sept., 1613. 

The query appears to be as to who was 
the first Englishman to marry after becoming 
a bishop. William Barlow, son of the first 
above mentioned, was born at St. Davids 
when his father was bishop, i.e., between 
1536 and 1549. Bush became Bishop of 
Bristol in 1542. 

If, however, the query is, What English 
married man first became bishop ? the 
answer is surely Cranmer, who had recently 
married his second wife, the niece of Osiander, 
when he became Archbishop of Canterbury 
in 1533. As Henry VIII. did not approve 
of married clergy, Cranmer &quot; shut his wife 
up in a box.&quot; Dr. Nicholas Harpsfield, 
Archdeacon of Canterbury, thus writes 
(Camden Soc., Second Series, xxi. 275) : 

&quot;' The Archbishop of Canterbury was married in 
King Henry his days, but kept his woman very 


jlose, and sometime carried her about with him in 
a great chest full of holes, that his pretty nobsey 
might take breath at. In the meanwhile it so 
chanced that his place at Canterbury was set on 
fire [18 Dec., 1543] ; but lord what a stir and care 
was there for this pretty nobsey and for this chest ; 
all other care in a manner was set aside. He caused 
that chest with all speed to be conveyed out of 
danger, and gave great charge of it, crying out that 
his evidences and other writings which he esteemed 
above any worldly treasure was in that chest ; and 
this I heard out of the mouth of a gentleman that 
was there present, and knew of this holy mystery.' 
The word nobsey is not in ' N.E.D.' 

Holgate, when Archbishop of York, was 
married after banns 15 June, 1549 ; but it was 
said the parties had been privately married 
at an earlier date. In 1549 he was, on his 
own admission, sixty-eight, and Harpsfield 
calls him &quot; about four score years of age,&quot; 
and says that his wife (Barbara, daughter 
of Roger Wentworth) was &quot; a young girl 
of fourteen or fifteen years of age &quot; (loc. cit.). 
JOHN B. WAINEWKIGHT. 

Again I ask if there is not an error, 
this time with respect to the bracketed 
remark, &quot; [By Matthew Parker, Archbishop 
of Canterbury] London, Rd. Jugge, 1556.&quot; 

If I am correct, Matthew Parker was conse- 
crated Archbishop on 17 Dec., 1559 (one of 
the consecrators being Bishop Barlow). 
I fail to see how Archbishop Parker could 
have written a treatise published in 1556. 
He may have written it prior to his becoming 
Archbishop. ALFBED CHAS. JONAS. 

Thornton Heath. 

[The explanation is as suggested. Halkett and 
Laing and the 'D.N.B.' attribute the authorship 
of ' A Defence of Priests' Marriages ' to Parker. 

MR. A. B. BEAVEN also points out that there were 
two bishops named William Barlow.] 

MILTON: PORTRAIT AS A BOY (10 S. x. 
508). If the picture in question was painted 
by the Frederick Newenham (1807-59) who 
exhibited at the Royal Academy in 1838, 
it can have no historical significance. 

A. R. BAYLEY. 

In Dr. G. C. Williamson's privately printed 
work ' The Portraits, Prints, and Writings 
of John Milton exhibited at Christ's College, 
Cambridge, 1908,' there is a list (pp. 89, 
90) of ' Various Pretended Portraits dis- 
covered since Marsh's List,' i.e., since Mr. 
John Fitchett Marsh's publication (cp. 10 S. 
x. 445) in the Transactions of the Historic 
Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, vol. xii. 
(1860). The last entry in this list (No. 266 
of the engravings) is : &quot; Modern mezzo- 
tint by Cousins after a so-called original at 
Eton.&quot; L. R. M. STBACHAN. 

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NOTES AND QUERIES. [io s. XL FEB. 27, im 


Counties Magazine, dealing with Suthrige 
or Surrey. I cannot give the exact reference, 
as I am abroad, but it deals in a new and 
interesting way with the place-termination 
-rige, and might throw some light on the 
analogous name Eastry. W. F. PRIDE ATJX. 
Grand Hotel, Locarno. 

In an article on the derivation of Surrey 
in The Home Counties Magazine for July, 
1901 (vol. iii. pp. 198-205),' Mr. T. le Mar- 
chant Douse, following Prof. Kluge, pointed 
out similarities in the early forms of Eastry 
and Surrey, and inferred that they are de- 
rived from the same tribal name, being the 
East and South Riges respectively. He 
further identified the Riges with the Rugi 
of Germany, A. MORLEY DA VIES. 

Winchmore Hill, Amersham. 

Lambarde in his ' Perambulation of Kent,' 
written in 1576, says : 

&quot; Eastrie is the name of a Towne and hundredth 
within the Lath of St. Augustine, and hath the 
addition of East for difference sake, from Westrie 
(commonly called Bye), neere to Winchelsey in 
Sussex.&quot; 

R. VAUGHAN GOWEB. 

GLOUCESTERSHIRE DEFINITION OP A 
GENTLEMAN (10 S. xi. 109). This definition 
of a gentieman has nothing to do with the 
county mentioned, but is merely an extract 
from a littla volume entitled ' The Gentile 
Sinner, or England's Brave Gentleman : 
Characterized In a Letter to a Friend, Both 
as he is, and as he should be,' first published 
at Oxford, in 1660, according to Anthony 
a Wood. The second edition, a copy of 
which lies before me, is dated 1661. The 
author was Clement Ellis, Fellow of Queen's 
College, Oxford, who was born at Penrith, 
Cumberland, and was in 1694 Rector of 
Kirkby in Nottinghamshire, where he en- 
joyed &quot; great repute for his Religion and 
Learning &quot; (' Atheme Oxonienses,' 2nd ed., 
1721, pp. 969-70). Wood gives the title 
of the book as ' The Genteel Sinner,' and 
adds : &quot; Afterwards came out several edi- 
tions of it with corrections and additions,&quot; 
so it must have obtained considerable 
popularity. 

As the passage in the query has been 
modernized in spelling, and contain? not 
a few differences from the original text, an 
exact copy of what appears on pp. 178-9 
of the second edition will no doubt be of 
interest : 

&quot; The true gentleman ia one that ia Gods 
Bervant, the worlds master, and his own man. 
Hia vertue is his business, his study his recreation, 
contentednesse his rest, and happinesse his 


reward. God is his father, the Church is his 
mother, the Saints his brethren, all that need 
him his friends, and Heaven his inheritance. 
Religion is his mistresse, loyalty and justice her 
ladies of honour ; devotion is his chaplain, 
chastity his chamberlain, sobriety his butler, 
temperance his cook, hospitality his housekeeper, 
Providence his steward, charity his treasurer : 
Piety is mistresse of the house, and discretion 
the porter, to let in and out as ia most fit. Thus 
is his whole family made up of vertues, and he 
the true master of his family. He ia necessitated 
to take the world in his way to Heaven, but he 
walks through it as fast as he can ; and all his 
businesse by the way is to make himself and others 
happy. Take him all in two words, he is a man 
and a Christian.&quot; 

JOHN T. CUBBY. 

BILLY BUTLER THE HUNTING PARSON 
(10 S. x. 310, 395, 453 ; xi. 15). The Butler 
arms, w-hich I copied from Hutchins's 
4 Dorset,' iv. 333, are incorrectly blazoned 
by that historian. On p. 182 he apparently 
gives them correctly, as Or, on a chief 
indented azure, three covered cups of the 
first. V. L. OLIVER. 

MILL AT GOSPORT, HANTS (10 S. x. 68, 
118). I thank W. C. J. for his reply. From 
information lately received T find that the 
locality of the mill was rightly stated by 
me. However, I regret having made a slip 
with respect to the Civil War incident. 
The mill mentioned by W. C. J., and graphic- 
ally described by Sir Walter Besant in ' By 
Celia's Arbour,' was the &quot; Old King's Mill,&quot; 
Portsmouth, which was burnt down in 
1868, and was also the mill connected with 
the above incident. The sito is occupied 
by the present Gun Wharf. F. K. 1'. 

&quot; BROKENSELDE &quot; (10 S. xi. 10, 58, 110). 
It is now clear that selde does not, in this 
particular case, mean &quot; shield,&quot; but repre- 
sents the A.-S. seld or selde (it scarcely 
matters which), a building, abode, shop, 
shed, or whatever else of the kind seems 
most suitable. 

The A.-S. seld, an abode, selde, a porch, 
are closely related, and appear to be inter- 
changeable, at a later date. Two references 
for the M.E. seld are given in Stratmann. 
As to the etymology, there is no doubt that 
seld is a mere variant of setl, a settle, abode, 
residence, dwelling, stall (for beasts), se-e 
(for a bishop). Sievers has shown that 
the suffix -Id is merely a later form of -dl 
or -tl ; the stock examples are neeld, a mere 
variant of needle ; and spdld, spittle, for 
spdtl. The root-verb is sittan, to sit. 

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Halliwell (' Diet, of Archaic and Pro- 
vincial Words,' s.v.) says this phrase is 
believed to have originated &quot; from a very 
volatile gentleman of that appellation, who 
would call on his neighbours and be gone 
before his name could be announced.&quot; 
Dr. Brewer repeats this, with Grose for his 
authority. Halliwell adds, however, that 
&quot; elsewhere &quot; the following lines from an 
unnamed old play are given as the original 
phrase : 

A warke it ys as easie to be doone, 

As tvs to saye, Jacke ! robyson. 

C. C. B. 

The connexion suggested with one John 
Robinson (1727-1802) of Appleby, who 
rose from obscurity to wealth and power 
in a surprisingly short time, is, Wheeler says 
in his ' Diet, of Noted Names of Fiction ' 
(1866), erroneous. R. S. B. 

[MB. A. R. BAYLKY and MR. J. HOLDEN MAC- 
MICHAEL also thanked for replies.] 

&quot; BBOKENSELDE &quot; (10 S. xi. 10, 58, 110, 
172). It is possible that light may be thrown 
on the puzzling first half of this word by 
the subjoined vagary of the translator 
(c. 1450) of ' The Register of Godstow Nun- 
nery ' (E.E.T.S., p. 554) : 

&quot; And ij rodes (rods) betwene wewes (? wowes, 
walls) that strecchen into broken, of the which 
one rode lieth,&quot; &amp;c. 

The editor's note is &quot; Read ' into the 
brook.' &quot; The form recalls (rightly or 
wrongly) the Icel. suffixed def. article -inn. 

These charters mention selde dozens of 
times, and (p. 508) &quot; one selde, with a solar 
ouer the same selde I-bilde and [over] a selde 
of the prioresse of .&quot; H. P. L. 

ST. ANTHONY OF VIENNE (10 S. xi. 47, 
96, 152). I am sorry to find that I have 
given the printer's imp more than his due. 
I did think that he had almost excelled 
himself in St. Anthony of Vienne. Is it 
too much to hope that MB. W. C. BOLLAND 
will give us some information concerning the 
Military Order known by this name, from 
that not very accessible work Helyot's 
' Histoire des Ordres Monastiques ' to which 
he refers ? 

I wonder whence Mr. Robert Davies 
drew his information as to the particular 
aspect of St. Antony the Great which was 
commemorated in the dedication of the 
hospital at York. Leland merely writes 
of &quot; The Hospital of St. Antony founded 
about a 100 Yeres syns by a Knight of 
Yorkshir called John Langtoun. Sum say 
that he was Mair of York &quot; (Hearne's edition 


of ' The Itinerary,' 1770, vol. i. p. 57). 
Dugdale remarks (' Monas. Ang.,' vol. vi. 
p. 672) that Drake says the establishment 
was in Gilly-gate ; wherein Drake must be 
accounted wrong. 

It is interesting to know, and may not 
be without significance, that the cathedral 
of Vienne is under the invocation of the 
military martyr St. Maurice, and that not 
far from St. Anthony's Hospital at York 
there was an old church likewise dedi- 
cated to St. Maurice. Miss Arnold-Forster 
(' Studies in Church Dedications,' vol. iii. 
p. 320) attributes two churches of that name 
to York, one in Bedern, and one surnamed 
&quot; in-the-Suburbs.&quot; I know that a modern 
edition of some St. Maurice stands just out- 
side Monk Bar. 

According to Gent (' The Antient and 
Modern History of the Famous City of 
York,' p. 190), the chapel belonging to the 
Vicars Choral in Bedern, the sole religious 
edifice now there, was named in honour of 
St. William. ST. SWTTHIN. 

LICENCES TO TRAVEL: PASSPORTS (10 S. 
xi. 149). An Act of King William III. in 
behalf of a Polish ship, dated Gerpines, 
the 17 /27th day of July, 1691, has already 
&quot; pass(e)port &quot; : &quot; desiring Our Passeport 
for the said ship to pass from Limerick. . . . 
to France &quot; ; and &quot; Provided still that this 
Our Passport shall remain in force during one 
voyage, and no longer &quot; (University Library, 
Amsterdam, Diederichs Papers, No. 125 S.). 

A. M. C. 

Amsterdam. 

&quot;SHIBBOLETH&quot; (10 S. x. 408 ; xi. 36). 
An amusing story said to be true, and 
therefore &quot; historical &quot; is told of the use 
of a similar test. 

In 1854, when the present State of Kansas 
was organized into a territory, the point 
as to whether it should be made a free or a 
slave State was left to be settled by local 
option. The question agitated the whole 
country, and both &quot; Free State &quot; and &quot; Pro- 
slavery &quot; settlers hastened to make entry 
there, while every means, lawful and un- 
lawful, was used to get the upper hand in 
the controversy. The neighbouring Mis- 
sourians were rabid pro-slavery men, and 
the immigrants from New England were 
just as ardent Free State advocates. 

It is said that at one stage of the struggle 
the Missourians tied a cow at each of the 
chief crossings of the Missouri River, knowing 
that any immigrant intending to make the 
passage into Kansas would comment upon the 
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the regime of Nicholas I. is ingenious, but its 
spelling should be consistent. Prof. Wiener's 
anthology is drawn upon and cited, but the 
rimes and rhythm of the renderings of Nekrasov 
are sadly defective (chap, xviii.), and we cannot 
agree that this bard's &quot; harsh, rough versification 
seemed meant for a leading article.&quot; On the 
other hand, the prose renderings of Sluchevsky 
and Pleshcheev read smoothly. From personal 
experience of the difficulties of poetic translation 
we agree with the editor as to the virtual impossi- 
bility of reproducing the melodies of Russian 
rime. In the translation of Pushkin's epigram 
on Count Vorontsov, &quot; for this once &quot; does not 
give the sense of nakonets, at length. The index 
is incomplete, some references to Bakunin, 
Gagarin and Merezhkovsky being omitted. 
The name of Dr. Haas is misspelt in chap. xii. 
Gorky's play ' Na Dne ' is properly rendered 
' At the Bottom ' on p. 497, but on p. 539 it 
becomes ' The Shelter.' &quot; J. Pollen ' is an 
inadequate reference to the eminent ex-Indian 
official and author of ' Rhymes from the Russian.' 
It is true that great pains have been taken with 
regard to accents, but Mikhailoysky is wrongly 
accented on one page, Strakhov differently on the 
same page, Zhitomir and pirdgi wrongly, and 
' Ma Religion ' unnecessarily. 

The directions for the pronunciation of Russian 
names are useful, as the need for systematic 
transliteration a point upon which Prof. Morfill 
has often insisted has long been pressing The 
second syllable is not exact in the renderings 
Merzlakov, Kotlarevsky, and Delanov ; and we 
prefer to write Dostoievsky while sympathizing 
with Messrs. Minns and Havelock's aim at economy 
and simplicity of spelling. 

The shortcomings of this work, many of which 
can be removed or modified in future editions, 
do not blind us to its real importance as a chro- 
nicle of Russian literature. Allowance being 
made for the personal views of the industrious 
author, his work will prove of great assistance 
and interest to students. 

Edinburgh Review : January. (Longmans &amp; Co.) 
' SCOTLAND IN THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY ' is 
an instructive paper on lines not commonly 
chosen. In no other period of Scotland's history 
have such great changes taken place. At the 
beginning of the century the fanaticism of the 
ministers of the established religion and many 
of the lay folk was so extreme that it is hard, 
even now, for an Englishman to comprehend 
it ; but before the end of the century a great 
change had come about. The rural ministers 
in most parishes were as mild as those of the 
Church of England, and, thanks to the Scotch 
universities, better trained. Agriculture was 
at a far lower ebb in the reign of Queen Anne 
than in most parts of England. &quot; Run-rig,&quot; 
as it was called, which the author rightly assures 
ius was &quot; a survival of prehistoric agriculture,&quot; 
was universal, and in a bad season many of the 
cultivators must, we cannot but believe, have 
been on the verge of starvation. Rents were, 
as a matter of course, extremely low : in the 
Forty-Five Lochiel could bring eight hundred 
fighting men into the field to serve Prince Charlie, 
although he had a rent-roll of only five hundred 
a year. The writer goes perhaps somewhat out 
of his way to denounce the atrocities of the Duke 
of Cumberland after Culloden. He is not a jot 


too severe it would be difficult to be so but 
it cannot be said to be pertinent to his subject. 

' Venice and the Renaissance ' is instructive 
in a new manner, and is effectively written. The 
author suggests that the settlers there may have 
been of Oriental blood, or, if that be going further 
than the evidence warrants, there was at least 
an Eastern admixture sufficiently strong to 
affect art and culture. In many other parts 
of Italy the Renaissance gave a great impetus 
to materialistic intellectualism ; in Venice, on 
the contrary, we find idealistic emotionalism. 
The arts of the Venetians, and in a less degree 
their manners and literature, indicate this. 
Intellectualism, as the author points out, dwelt 
on form, even in its pictures, but the idealistic 
Venetians on colour. Here he is certainly correct, 
but this is not limited to Italy. We have but to 
compare the arts of the Middle Ages with those 
of the eighteenth century to be assured of this. 

' A School of Irish Poetry ' will teach many 
persons not a little that is new. We believe 
that the modern verse of Ireland is far less known 
than it ought to be. The moods here dwelt upon 
are Celtic, but the Celticism is of to-day, not 
that of earlier times. E. A.'s verse, as here quoted, 
is certainly of a high standard, but we find it 
not a little hard to grasp what is meant by &quot;the 
ascetic standpoint &quot; and &quot; Manichean moods.&quot; 
It may be that our own interpretation of these 
phrases is not identical with that of the reviewer. 

The Newspaper Press Directory. (C. Mitchell 

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admission of the Press to meetings ; also articles 
on the import trade to the Colonies, showine in 
a tabulated form the chief features of the prin- 
cipal customs tariffs. The obituaries of the 
year include Lord Glenesk ; Mr. Taylor of The 
Bristol Times ; Sir James Knowles, editor of 
The Nineteenth Century ; and Mr. David Syme, 
of The Melbourne Age. 


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German manufacturer, has no etymological 
significance, and should not be confused, as 
it is occasionally, with asperigin, the active 
principle of asparagus. M.D. 

[C. C. B. arid MR. F. HOWARD COLLINS also 
thanked for replies.] 

TENNYSON CONCOBDANCES (10 S. xi. 261). 
To the information concerning William 
Brightwell given by MB. RALPH THOMAS 
I am able to make a small addition. Some 
fifty years ago he was chief assistant master 
at Edenfield School, Doncaster. There, at 
that time, he had for one of his colleagues 
his younger brother George. Both were 
liked by the boys generally, although George 
was not an athlete. William was a cricketer, 
and encouraged the school eleven by zealous 
interest in their matches. These brothers 
were men of considerable ability in litera- 
ture and art. They were always ready to 
aid and befriend their pupils, many of 
whom, I have no doubt, remember them 
with gratitude. F. JABBATT. 

Goodleigh Rectory, Barnstaple. 

&quot;SASKATOON&quot; (10 S. xi. 207). The 
botanical name of the fruit called saskatoon 
berry is Amelanchier canadensis, syn. Aronia 
ovalis, Pyrus sanguined, Pyrus botryapium, 
Mespilus canadensis, &amp;c. ; English names, 
June berry, shad berry, partridge berry, 
service berry, &amp;c. It is a shrub, occasionally 
a small tree, common all over the northern 
part of this continent. The variety abun- 
dant in Saskatchewan is alnifolia. The Cree 
word for berry is menis, pi. menisa ; red 
berries, misaskivutoominesa. The French 
voyageurs called it la poire, reflecting the 
resemblance to the pear which is seen in 
some of the botanical names. Probably, 
as soon as the English came in contact with 
the word, they promptly cut it down to 
&quot;saskatoon&quot; ; but I cannot find this word 
in print before 1875, when it appears in the 
table of contents (but not in the text or 
the index) of the Earl of Southesk's ' Sas- 
katchewan and the Rocky Mountains.' 
Many of the early writers on the North-West, 
such as Harmon, Palliser, Hind, &amp;c., men- 
tion the fruit, but not by that name. The 
name saskatoon was conferred on the place 
in 1885 by a colonization company formed 
under the Sir John Macdonald regime. 

AVEBN PABDOE. 

Legislative Library, Toronto. 

MELAMPUS AND THE SAINT (10 S. x. 68). 
&quot; I am shut out of the wondrous world 
where walked Melampus and the Saint &quot; is 
the lament of Michael Fairless's Roadmender 


after describing his experience in waking to 
find himself watched by a snake. The two 
did not walk the world together. The story 
of Melampus, the famous seer of Greek 
myth, as given by Apollodorus (' Biblio- 
theca,' I. 9, 11), is that after he had be- 
stowed funeral rites on a slain pair of serpents 
and reared their young, these in gratitude 
cleansed his ears with their tongues one day 
as he lay asleep ; whereupon he received 
the power to understand the speech of birds ; 
and of other creatures too, it would seem, 
since later, when imprisoned, he &quot; heard 
certain wood-worms overhead talking among 
themselves, and telling how ' the roof -beam 
was now well-nigh eaten through.' &quot; See 
this part of the story as told in the ' Saga of 
Melampus ' note in Butcher and Lang's 
translation of the ' Odyssey ' (xv. 225). 
There is a curiously close parallel to the last 
episode in the story of ' Chips the Carpenter ' 
(Dickens, ' The Uncommercial Traveller,' 
chap, xv.), where Chips overhears the rats 
calculating when they will have eaten 
through the ship. 

By &quot; the Saint &quot; St. Francis of Assisi is 
presumably meant. One is familiar with 
stories of his kindly feeling towards birds 
and animals generally; but is there any 
legend of his understanding their language ? 

EDWABD BENSLY. 
Aberystwyth. 

JOANNA SOUTHCOTT'S CELESTIAL PASS- 
PORTS (10 S. x. 405; xi. 16, 137). In 
a pamphlet entitled ' Joanna Southcott 
the Professed Prophetess,' by &quot;Honestus,&quot; 
&quot; Printed for the author by J. &amp; J. Had- 
dock,&quot; Warrington, 1814, are given the 
words of her &quot; seals &quot; as they appear ante, 
p. 137, except that &quot;The&quot; before &quot;Elect&quot; 
is omitted, that the stops are different, and 
that &quot; precious,&quot; &quot; tree,&quot; and &quot; life &quot; begin 
with capitals (p. 11). 

On pp. 15, 16, is the following : 

&quot;It is now fully ascertained that Joanna Bells 
her seals. The price at first was a guinea ; it 
then sank to half a guinea, and now I believe 
the price is not more than half a crown .... This 
enriching expedient was luckily suggested to 
Joanna, as she was sweeping her master's shop, 
when at the upholsterers. She discovered a seal 
with the very appropriate intials J. S. This she 
boldly declared was sent to her from heaven, 
with her own name engraved, and as courageously 
backed this assertion with another, that she 
had been divinely admonished of the arrival of 
this miraculous seal by a vision.&quot; 
&quot; Honestus &quot; asserts that she sold her seals 
to about 8,000 persons. 

I may mention that I have &quot; The Case of 
Johanna Southcott, as far as it came under 
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distinctly remembers hearing the song when 
quite a young girl. 

In ' Through the Looking-Glass ' the verse, 
as quoted above, is given, and referred to as 
&quot; the words of the old song.&quot; 

R. VATJGHAN GOWEB. 

&quot;NosE OF WAX&quot; (10 S. viii. 228, 274' 
298). This obsolescent phrase occurs in 
Carlyle's ' Frederick the Great,' where it is 
used in the author's characteristic way to 
describe the personality of the second Elector 
of Brandenburg : 

&quot;Young Friedrich II., upon whom those Berlin 
Burghers had tried to close their gates, till he 
should sign ' Capitulation ' to their mind, got from 
them, and not quite in ill-humour, that name 
Ironteeth : ' Not the least a Nose-of-wax, this one ! 
No use trying here then !'&quot; Vol. i.-bk. iii. c. iii. 

N. W. HILL. 

New York. 

COMMODORE CHAMBEBLAIN (10 S. x. 329, 
372). I thank SIB J. K. LATJGHTON and 
MB. D. MUBBAY for their replies, but my 
query as to the Jewish origin of Chamberlain 
remains unsolved. I find that, about thirty 
years before James Picciotto's ' Sketches of 
Anglo -Jewish History ' appeared, a little 
volume was published entitled ' Moral and 
Religious Tales for the Young of the Hebrew 
Faith,' adapted from the French of G. Ben 
Levi by A. Abraham. The prefatory re- 
marks are dated from Liverpool, May, 1846. 
On p. 135 Commodore Chambers (not 
Chamberlain) is referred to as a Jew in the 
English service. Although the names some- 
what vary, I am inclined to think they 
refer to one and the same person. I should 
like to trace the source of this statement 
made by Ben Levi and Picciotto. It surely 
must have some foundation in fact. 

ISBAEL SOLOMONS. 

91, Portsdown Road, W. 

OVOCA OB AVOCA (1,0 S. x. 308, 397. 
Ovoca appears from the authorities to be 
the more correct form. 

Mr. Joyce in his ' Irish Names of Places,' 
3rd ed., 1871, p. 75 says : 

&quot;The river that he [Ptolemy] calls Oboka appears 
by its position on the map to be the same as the 
Wicklow river now so well known as the Avoca ; 
but this last name has been borrowed from Ptolemy 
himself, and has been applied to the river in very 
recent times. Its proper name, as we find in the 
* Annals,' is Avonmore, which is still the name of 
one of the two principal branches that form ' The 
Meeting of the Waters.' &quot; 

Ovoca is adopted by Robert Fraser in 
liis Royal Dublin Society's ' Wicklow Sur- 
vey,' published in 1801 ; by Wm. Shaw 


Mason in his ' Parochial Survey of Ireland,' 
published (vol. ii.) 1819 ; and by James 
Fraser in his admirable and accurate ' Hand- 
book for Ireland,' 3rd ed., 1844. 

I may add that the place is generally 
called Avoca now. L. A.&quot; W. 

Dublin. 

&quot;PORTIONS&quot;: &quot;PENSIONS&quot; (10 S. x. 
310, 358, 419). It is with great diffidence 
that I venture to criticize a note on eccle- 
siastical matters signed C. J. (ante, p. 358) ; 
but, so far as my experience goes, &quot; portion &quot; 
is the name of the part of the revenues of an 
impropriated benefice allotted by the bishop 
to the vicar for his sustenance and the 
payment of ecclesiastical dues. For ex- 
ample, in Augmentation Office, Miscell. 
Book XXXVI., the document numbered 28 
(19 June, 1354) is the taxation by William, 
Bishop of Norwich, of the vicar's portion 
in the parish church of Braunforde and the 
chapel thereto annexed, appropriated to the 
abbot and convent of Battle by Clement VI. 
It is fixed at twenty marks sterling. 

Q. V. 

THE ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT (10 S. viii. 
268, 418, 478 ; x. 358). I never heard of 
Barrili's novel ' L'Undecimo Comanda- 
mento ' until I read MB. HILL'S letter at the 
last reference, nor can I claim to have read 
the novel I mentioned in a previous com- 
munciation on this subject. The latter was 
published in 1903 or 1904, and to the best 
of my recollection Woodgate was the name 
of the author. These facts, such as they 
are, were fixed in my memory by a news- 
paper report of a trial of an action for libel, 
alleged to be contained in the book. 

R. L. MOBETON. 

MILITABY BANK-NOTE (10 S. x. 389). 
This is without doubt only one of the many 
flash bank-notes of the period. The names 
Flag, Hill, and Cannon in combination on 
a military note pronounce it such. I do 
not think there was such a place as Fort 
Montague, let alone a bank of that name. 
I have seen many similar to this note, of 
very small values ; they were doubtless 
done to pass off upon unsophisticated 
people as genuine bank-notes. 

ABTHUB W. WATEBS. 

Leamington Spa. 

JESUITS AT MEDIOLANTJM (10 S. x. 309, 
374). ST. SWTTHIN'S reply carried me back 
to my visit when a boy to Milan, and 
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The Thirty -fourth Report of the Bedford- 
shire Architectural and Archaeological Society 
(1881) contains the following : 

&quot; The Fleetwood Cabinet. During the visit 
of the Institute several members, who were in- 
troduced by Mr. H. Tebbs, visited Grove House, 
Bromham Road, the residence of Miss Corcoran, 
who kindly allowed the party to inspect the costly 
ebony cabinet formerly belonging to Bridget, 
daughter of Oliver Cromwell, who married Lieut. - 
General Charles Fleetwood after the death of 
General Ireton, her first husband.&quot; 
The report continues with a minute descrip- 
tion of the cabinet, and mentions that it 
was described in one of the magazines in 
1841. Can some Bedfordshire reader of this 
paragraph state who is the present owner, as 
Miss Corcoran, if living, has apparently 
removed 1 E. W. B. 

REV. JOHN WILLIAMS. Can any of your 
readers give me any information as to the 
life of the Rev. John Williams, forty years 
master of Ystrad Meiric Grammar School, 
Cardiganshire ? He died in 1818. 

ARTHUR W. THOMAS, M.D. 

Carmelita, Crabton Close Road, Boscombe. 

WILLIAM WARTON, 1764. Any clue to the 
above, who is in the lists of people painted 
by Sir Joshua Reynolds, will oblige. 

A. C. H. 

HONE: A PORTRAIT. I have in my possession 
a very fine enamel miniature of an unknown 
lady by Nathaniel Hone, signed, 1749. I 
should be much obliged if any of your 
readers could help me to identify it, or tell 
me if there is an authenticated list of 
Nathaniel Hone's works. The portrait is in 
its original pinchbeck frame, and has been 
in my family very many years. 

M. NYREN. 

14, Clifton Crescent, Folkestone. 

LISK. I seek information concerning a 
family named Lisk in Scotland. Nisbet's 
4 Heraldry,' vol. i. p. 216, gives : &quot;The name 
of Lisk, Argent, three mascles azure ; and on 
a chief gules as many mascles of the first. 
Font's Manuscript.&quot; Nisbet adds no remarks 
of his own to what he finds in Pont. 

DAVID C. LUSK. 

ELIAS TRAVERS'S DIARY. A writer in the 
British Quarterly Review, vol. Iv. (1872), says 
the unpublished diary of Elias Travers came 
into his possession through a friend into 
whose collection the MSS. of Law (author of 
* Serious Call ') and those of Dr. Lee, son-in 
law of Mrs. Jane Lead, passed. Travers (1675- 
1681) was chaplain to Sir T. Barn[ar ?]diston,of 
Kelton Hall. The diary is said to be written 


in &quot; the minutest character and in very fair 
Latin.&quot; The late Canon Overton, who pub- 
lished a book on William Law, once wrote to 
me that he had never heard of this diary or 
found any trace of it. Can any one tell me 
anything about this diary 1 Where can it be 
seen? J. FOSTER, D.C.L. 

Tathwell Vicarage, Louth, Lines. 

THE WHITE COMPANY : &quot; NAKER.&quot; In Sir 
A. Conan Doyle's novel of this name the men 
composing the company are described as 
English archers, whilst Dr. Brewer, in his 

* Dictionary of Phrase and Fable,' states that 
they were &quot;a band of French cut-throats.&quot; 
Were there two &quot; White Companies,&quot; or has 
somebody blundered ? 

In the novel the word naker is more than 
once used in the sense of a trumpet ; but 
does it not properly mean some kind of 
drum? V. O. B. 

[ Annandale's ' Imperial Dictionary ' and the 

* Encyclopaedic ' derive naker from L.L. nacara, a&gt; 
kettledrum, and so define it.] 

AIRAULT. Can you give me any particulars 
of this family, part of which were of Rhode 
Island, N.Y., about the year 1770? 

J. PILE. 

COUTANCES, WINCHESTER, AND THE CHANNEL 
ISLANDS. On 20 January, 1500, a Bull of 
Pope Alexander VI. transferred the Channel 
Islands from the diocese of Coutances to that 
of Winchester (Rymer's 'Fcedera,' xii. 740). 
What occasion was there for this Bull ? Was 
it ever revoked? Edward VI. seems to have 
ordered that the Bishop of Coutances should 
be considered as diocesan of the Channel 
Islands in all things not contrary to the laws 
of the realm. (See ' S. P. Dom. Add. Eliz./ 
ix. 38.) Where is the text of this order to 
be found? At the beginning of Elizabeth's 
reign the priests of Guernsey were &quot; sworn 
subjects of the Bishop of Coutances &quot; (' S. P. 
Dom. Add. Eliz.,' ix. 53). From this it would 
appear that at some period or other, between 
1500 and 1560, the Bull of Alexander VI. had 
been revoked. Did the Pope or the Queen 
order anything further in this matter in the 
reign of Queen Elizabeth ? 

JOHN B. WAINEWRIGHT. 

ST. NINIAN'S CHURCH. Bede wrote that 
St. Ninian's Church was called Candida 
Casa because it was built of stone, which was 
unusual among the Britons. 

Seebohm, in 'The English Village Com- 
munity,' in a foot-note on p. 239, says : il To 
make a royal house more pretentious the 
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Thomas Beauchamp, M.P. for Somerset- 
shire, 1399, 1424 (Collinson, 'History of 
Somerset,' 1791, i. Introduction, p. xxxi). 

John Beauchamp the Elder, died 1637. 
His tombstone, with that of his wife Dorothy 
(who died 1653), is in the churchyard at 
Burnham, Somerset. It was probably his 
father or grandfather who, 22 Dec., 1532, 
signed his name &quot; Joh. bechame &quot; as witness 
to the will of Joh. Parsons, who was buried 
in the churchyard of Buryngton (Weaver 
' Wells Wills,' 1890, pp. 36, 207). 

Any other information about the family 
will be welcome. FBEDK. A. EDWARDS. 
39, Agate Road, Hammersmith, W. 


LA FETE DI FELICI COBNUTELLI. La 
Revue des Deux Mondes, 1852, ' Scenes de 
la Vie romaine,' vol. ii. p. 438, dit : 

&quot;La fete des cornes estune coutume fort ancienne 
a Rome. On distribue chaque annee a cette occa- 
sion beaucoup de lettres et des pieces de vers 
anonymes aux cornutelli les plus fameux pour les 
inviter k porter^ une banniere dans la procession en 
1'honneur de Saint - Luc, qui a pour attribut le 
bceuf.&quot; 

Cette fete existe-t'elle encore ? Pourrait- 
on indiquer une des lettres ou pieces 
anonymes auxquelles on fait ici reference ? 

Si par hasard la trop grande liberty de 
langage le motif s'en prete bien empechait 
de les publier dans ' N. &amp; Q.' on me rendrait 
service en m'envoyant directement les 
reponses. FLOBENCIO DE UHAGON. 

7, calle de Ferraz, Madrid. 

ADMIBAL NEALE AND THE ATKINSON 
FAMILY. In the beginning of the nineteenth 
century there lived at Wandsworth, in 
Surrey, Mr. and Mrs. Atkinson and their 
many children. The parents died in 1831 
and 1843. One of their daughters lived, as 
a companion, with Lady Neale, wife of 
Admiral Sir Harry Burrard Neale, at Wal- 
hampton, and was adopted by them. She 
married, in 1821, a French gentleman, and 
died in 1860. 

Can anybody tell me the origin of the 
relations between Admiral Neale and this 
Atkinson family ? Are there yet any 
representatives of this family ? 

COMMANDANT REBOUL. 

Cosne (Nievre). 

KlBKBBIDE OF ELLEBTON, CuMBEBLAND. 

Can any of your correspondents give me 
information about this now extinct family, 
other than that contained in Hutch inson's 
' History of Cumberland ' ? In particular, 
I desire information with regard to the 
marriage, about the year 1500, of Cyssley, 


daughter of John Kirkbride of Ellerton, to 
Thomas Hewitt. The Kirkbride arms were 
Argent, a saltire engrailed vert. 

A reply, either through your columns or 
to me direct, will be highly esteemed. 

J. A. HEWITT, Canon. 
Cradock, South Africa. 

CHATTEBTON PORTRAIT. In ' N. &amp; Q.' 
for 20 June, 1857 (2 S. iii. 492) is a letter on 
the above subject signed E. S. FTJXCHEB 
(Gainsborough's biographer), in which refer- 
ence is made to a reputed portrait of Chatter- 
ton in the possession of a Mr. Naylor, 
&quot; whose address J. M. G. may learn from 
the Editor of ' N. &amp; Q.' &gt;; 

I hope that I may yet trace J. M. G. and 
his portrait, and shall be glad to know if 
there have been other references to the 
subject, in addition to that in ' N. &amp; Q.' 
for 13 May, 1882 (6 S. v. 367). 

RICHABD QUICK, Superintendent. 
Bristol Museum and Art Gallery. 

C. F. DE BBEDA, PORTRAIT PAINTER. 
I intend to write a biography of this painter, 
and should be pleased to hear of any refer- 
ence to him in literature. He exhibited 
at the Royal Academy, 1788-96, and was a 
pupil of Reynolds. I also want to know 
the whereabouts of the following portraits 
by him : Sir William Chambers, the archi- 
tect ; Bennet Langton, the friend of Dr. 
Johnson ; Mary and Jane Langton, his 
daughters ; Edw. Daniel Clarke, professor 
at Cambridge ; John Martin Cripps, who 
travelled with Clarke ; John Peter Salomon, 
musician ; Louisa Gautherot, violinist ; 
John Ledyard, traveller ; Dr. Will. Wither- 
ing, botanist ; Woods, actor, of the Theatre 
Royal, Edinburgh ; and &quot; Miss Shaw.&quot; 

Who was this &quot; Miss Shaw &quot; ? She must 
have been well known about 1790, for the 
newspapers mention her name in this way 
in the list of the portraits exhibited. 

Does any one know the full name J of 
&quot; Mr. Woods,&quot; actor ? 

The portrait of Dr. Will. Withering was 
exhibited at South Kensington in 1868, and 
belonged at that time to &quot; Mrs. Alfred 
Seymour.&quot; Who was this Mrs. Seymour ? 

Do readers of ' N .&amp; Q.' know any other 
portrait by Breda ? D. E. H. 

&quot; THE ROSE OF NEWPORT.&quot; Is there^a 
poem in English (I know of one in German 
by Conrad F. Meyer) on the subject of the 
&quot; Rose of Newport &quot; the episode of a 
rose being handed by a girl in Newport to 
Charles I. on his way to Carisbrooke Castle ? 

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Clementi's playing has left a more lasting impression than that of almost any other executant, since the merits of his style have been handed down, through his many distinguished pupils, to the present generation. Of these pupils, the first in consideration are J. B. Cramer and John Field, both of London; and only less eminent than these were Reuner of St. Petersburg; Klengl. of Dresden; and Berger of Berlin, the master of Mendelssohn. As a composer, Clementi may be said to have done for the pianoforte what Haydn did for the orchestra, by appropriating to it, in the sonata, the grand principles of musical construction which the founder of modern instrumental music developed in the symphony. He was a master of all the resources of counterpoint, with a complete grasp of the powers of modern harmony; and, besides the depth of character resulting from this knowledge, his music is distinguished by energy, fire, and intense passion; tenderness and melodious grace, however, the qualities one would most expect in the writings for his instrument, of an artist whose playing was especially signalized by these points of style, are rarely to be found in his compositions. He wrote no less than a hundred and six sonatas for the pianoforte—some of them with accompaniment for other instruments—besides many works of less extensive form, and his orchestral symphonies. The grandest example of his genius, and the one in which all his best characteristics are combined, is the sonata called &quot;Didone Abbandonata.&quot; His extempore playing was such as could only have resulted from the union of his perfections as a composer and as an executant—rich in the fanciful and elaborate development of ideas, it proved at once the mind quick in invention, and the finger ready to give utterance to the thought. Upon the whole, few musicians have exerted greater present, and more lasting influence than Muzio Clementi.—[[Author:George Alexander Macfarren|G. A. M.]]

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&lt;section begin=&quot;1124B&quot; /&gt;CLEMENTI, {{sc|Prospero}}, born about the commencement of the sixteenth century at Reggio; died in 1584. He was one of the finest sculptors of his day. Algarotti calls him the Correggio of his art.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;1124C&quot; /&gt;CLEMENTONE. See {{sc|Bocciardo}}.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;1124D&quot; /&gt;CLENARD or CLEYNAERTS, {{sc|Nicholas}}, a famous Brabantian grammarian, whose Greek grammar, edited by Vossius and others, was long in use. Died in 1542.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;1124E&quot; /&gt;CLENNELL, {{sc|Luke}}: this painter, the son of a farmer at Ulgham, near Morpeth, Northumberland, was born on the 30th March, 1781. At a very early age he exhibited a decided tendency to art. His schoolboy's slate was covered with caricatures, which flowed over and submerged his arithmetic. He was taken from school—the pedagogue entertaining rather mean notions of his abilities—and apprenticed to his uncle, a tanner. But the tanyard, no more than the farmyard, could quench his persistent love of art. He was caught caricaturing his uncle's customers. It was thought vain to struggle longer with the predilections of one so incorrigible—so incurable. He was apprenticed to Bewick the wood engraver, and soon became known as one of Bewick's most assiduous and promising pupils. Having served out his indentures, he removed to London in 1804, and married the daughter of Charles Warren the engraver. The fame he had already acquired supplied him with as much work as he could execute. Among many other things he engraved the illustrations to [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer's]] [[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|Shipwreck]] and [[Author:Samuel Rogers|Rogers']] Poems, after drawings by Stothard. The artist-like character of his work became generally recognized, and Clennell was gradually induced to abandon the graver for the brush. He entered as a candidate for the prize offered by the British Institution for the best picture of the &quot;Final Charge of the Guards at Waterloo.&quot; Almost to his own surprise he succeeded and received the guerdon, one hundred and fifty guineas. In 1814 he was commissioned to paint a picture in commemoration of the entertainment given by the city of London to the allied sovereigns. It is believed that the anxieties this entailed upon him, the difficulties he experienced in procuring the requisite portraits, and his own doubts and fears about satisfying those he painted, fairly undermined his reason. He worked away manfully, however—had completed a first sketch of his subject, and was full of arrangements for carrying it further, when, with an awful suddenness, his brain gave way, and for ever. He died in a lunatic asylum on the 9th April, 1840. He had considerable genius, great facility of composition, and very dexterous execution. His best work is perhaps his &quot;Day after the Fair,&quot; being excellent in colour and rustic character. His &quot;Market Boats at Brighton&quot; received great admiration. His power as a landscape painter is amply exhibited in his work on the &quot;Border Antiquities.&quot;—[[Author:George Walter Thornbury|W. T.]]

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&lt;section begin=&quot;1124F&quot; /&gt;CLEOMBROTUS, son of Anaxandrides, king of Sparta. After the death of his brother Leonidas in the famous battle of Thermopylae, 480 {{sc|b.c}}., Cleombrotus was made regent for Plistarchus, the infant son of that prince, and put himself at the head of the forces which, at the time of the battle of Salamis, occupied and fortified the isthmus of Corinth. He died the same year, and was succeeded in the regency by his son Pausanias.—[[Author:James Taylor (1813-1892)|J. T.]]

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between the Cobtnmt «n Europe And the Cobtfnnt 
in Libjftif nuing the plural by a kind of attmction, 
for, when he describes them more particnhirly, he 
■peaks of each in the singular. (Scylax, pp. 1, 51, 
ed. Hudson; ppw 1, 120, 126, ed. Qronov.) From 
these testimonies, as well as from the numerous 
allusions of otlier writers, it appears that the common 
opinion had become pretty well established from the 
time of Herodotus. (Gomp. Poljb. iii. 35; Diod. Sic. 
iv. 18; Dion. Per. 64, 454, and Eustath. ad loe. 
Palaeph. 52; Philoetr. VU. ApoUon, v. 1, 5, &amp;c) 
The same thing is evident from numerous passages 
of Stxabo, who, in the course of a very interesting 
discussion on the whole subject-, accounts for the 
various positions assigned to the Pillars as follows 
(iii. pp. 169 — 172). An oracle had commanded the 
Tyrians to found a colony at the Pilhirs of Hercules. 
-The settlers sent out for this purpose, on arriving at 
the Straits, thought they had reached the term both 
of the inhabited world, and of the expedition of 
Hercules; and, taking the rocks of Calpe and Abyla 
for the Pillars of which they were in search, they 
landed at a spot within the Straits, where stood, in 
Strabo s time, the city of the Exitani [Saxetandm] ; 
but, finding the sacrifices inauspicious, they returned. 
Another party, sent out some time afterwards, pro- 
ceeded 1500 stadia beyond the Straits, as far as an 
island sacred to Hercules, opposite to the spot on the 
Iberian coast where the city of Onoba afterwards 
stood; but, again finding the sacrifices inauspicious, 
these also returned home. A third attempt had for 
its result the foundation of Gades. Hence it came 
to pass that some sought the Pillars in the headlands 
of the Struts, others at Gades, and others at some 
place even beyond Gades in the Ocean. The general 
opinion was in fiivour of Calpe and Abyla; but some, 
smong whom was Artemidorus, took the Pillars to 
be the small islands near each, of which one was 
called the Itland of Hera^ by which he seems to 
mean the islands off C. Trd^falffar^ the ancient Ju- 
nonis Prom., which headland the authors of this 
opinion seem to have confounded with CaJpe^ (Comp. 
the Note to Groskurd's translation, L c.) Some even 
tiansferred the celebrated rocks called Planetae and 
Symplegades to the Straits, and identified them with 
the Pillars of Hercules. Scymnus Ghius, who, like 
Artemidorus, took the Pillars for islands, places them 
far within the Straits, at Mabkaca, near the city of 
the Exitani, above mentioned. (Vv. 142 — 145). 
2. As to vfhat the pillars were believed to be, 
Strabo also gives some interesting information. Some 
took them for rocky headlands, otliers for islands; 
the former rising up from the land, the latter out of 
the sea, like gigantic columns. But othera, regard- 
ing the custom previonsly referred to, or even taking 
the word ffrricu literally, looked for cities, or arti- 
ficial mounds, or columns, or statues, erected either 
by Hercules himself, to mark the term of his con- 
quests, or dedicated by Phoenician navigators to this 
their tutelary deity, to record the extent of their 
discoveries. (Gomp. Hesych. t.v. trriiKat ti&lt;rr6fMvs.) 
This literal interpretation, he tells us, prevailed 
among the Iberians and Libyans, who denied that 
there was anything at the Straits resembling columns, 
but pointed out, as the Pillars of Hercules, the 
bronze columns in the temple of the god at Gades, 
on which the expenses of building the temple were 
inscribed. He adds that this opinion was held by 
Poseidonius, in opposition to the Greeks in general, 
who considered the pilhira to mean promontories. 
Strabo's refutation of this opinion is an interesting 
HKRCULIS PORTUS. 
10iS5 
etfort of ancient criticism. (Cooip. Strab. i. pp. 21, 
32, 47, 49, 51, 52, 56, 58, 64. ii. pp. 67, 68, 71, 
78, 79, 84, 86, 89, 90, 93, 101, 105, 108, &amp;c.&amp;c) 
Not only the nature, but also the immi^, of the 
Pillanwas disputed; the common opinion making 
them ttDOf while othere gave the nimiber as one, or 
three, orjfow, (Hesych. L c) 
3. The true reaeon of the name must-be sought 
for in the fiict that Melcarth, whom the Greeks 
identified with Heracles, was the tutelary god of th6 
Phoenicians, as well as in the Greek legends respect- 
ing Hercules: how far those legends originated in 
the Phoenician worship, this is not the place to in- 
quire. The view generally taken by the Greeks may 
be collected from the passages of Stnbo just quoted. 
But the later writers sought for an interpretation 
from their physical views of the legends of HerculeSi 
One story was that he tore asunder the rocks which 
had before entirely divided the Mediterranean Sea 
from the ocean. (Mela, i. 5. § 8, ii. 6. § 6.) Pliny 
assigns both reasons (iii. prooem. &quot; Abila Africae, 
Europae Calpe, laborum fferculis meta: quam ob 
causam indigenae oolumnas ejus Dei vocant, ere* 
duntque perfossas exclusa antea admisisse maria, et 
rerum naturae mutasse fadem.'*) The interesting 
speculati&lt;Nis of the ancients, respecting the physical 
changes resulting from the supposed disruption, es- 
pecially the opinion, discussed by Strabo, that th^ 
Mediterranean had previously been connected with 
the Bed Sea, and that the Jttkuuu of Suez was 
formed by the lowering of the Mediterranean through 
its new outlet, belong rather to other places in this 
work [ERrrH&amp;ABCM Marb, Mabb Ikterhum] : 
but it may be worth while to point out here that 
Mela {L c) indicates just the opposite opinion, 
namely, that the Mediterranean was elevated by the 
influx of the Atlantic; and the same idea is conveyed 
by Pliny*s phrase of *' admisiste maria.** Another 
legend was that Hercules forced the two rocks into 
temporary union to make a bridge for the safe con- 
veyance of the herds of Geryon to Libya (Avien. Ora 
3fariL 326); and another, that he narrowed the 
Strait, so as to shut out the sea-monstera which had 
previously made their way in from the Ocean and 
infested the Mediterranean (Diod. Sic. iv. 18). It 
only remains to notice that one of the principal 
paralleb of httitude, by which Eratosthenes and 
other ancient geqgraphere divided the earth inte 
KklfAurOy was drawn through the Pillars, passing 
also through the Straits of Messina, Athens, Rhodes, 
and the Taurus, to Thinae. (Strab. ii. pp. 67, 68, 
79, &amp;C. &amp;c.; Schwartz, Dim. de Columme JBer* 
culit, Altorf, 1 749, 4to; Goeselin, Hech. Mur la Geogr^ 
SysL dee Ane. tome iv. jip, 1 — 10, Paris, 1813; 
Humboldt, Kritieche Uniertuckungen, voL i. pp. 45^, 
foil; Ukert, vol. ii. pp. 248, b. foU.) [P. S.] 
HFRCULIS INSULA. [Carthago Nova: 
Onoba]. 
HE'KCULISLIBURNI PORTUS [Libi;r»um.] 
HE'BCULIS MONOECI POKTU&amp; [Monob- 
CU8.] 
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the coast of Etruria, im the S. side of the promon- 
tory of Monte Arffentaro, [Argentarius Moh&amp;] 
2. (&amp; 'HpaKous Aifi^v, Strab. vL p. 256; Portns 
Hereulis, Piin. iii. 5. s. 10), a port on the W. coast 
of Bruttium, placed by Pliny between Hipponium and 
the mouth of the Metaurus. Strabo tdts us that it 
was between Hipponium and the Portus Hereulis that 
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-. Brigadier-Genera] George II. Stuart was pursuing 
them with cavalry and artillery, and capturing many. A large amount of 
rdnance and other stores have fallen into our kai 
T. J. Jackson. 
After hia defeat, Banks, with the remnant of his army, fled across the Poto- 
oaptured at Martinsburg were immense. The result &quot;f this 
was the* annihilation of an army fir 12,000 to 15,000, the capture of an 
lyisions, small arms, ordnai .-tore-, horses, wagons and camp 
equipage almost incredible, and the destruction of the Baltimore and Ohio road, 
main artery which connects the Yankee capital with the West ! .lack-on 
i lid fine rifles, two thousand muskets, six hundred Backs of salt, 
■ hundred wagons, many horses, twelve pieces of artillery, - three being rifled 
510 'J 11111 worth of medicines, hospital sti i ry imaginable 
: — splints, amputating instruments, chloroform*, oi -. dried fruits, 
fresh oheese, every luxury a sick man could desire, and clothes without limit. 
nel Ashby, hearing of many Yankee Butlers who hail recently set up their 
shops in t lie country, Beized them and loaded two hundred wagons with the 
ler. A portion of the captured -tores had to ho destroyed in our retreat, 
but all the l'ums and medioinsj were saved. 
pal Jackson followed Banks in his retreat, striking a blow wh&lt; 
:tunit offered, until he reached the Potomac. He then turned to meet 
the combined forces of the enemy under Fremont, Shields ami Mix, who were 
ring to get in his rear. He fell hack this side of Winchester, making 
•nl at Port Republic, in Rockingham county, a short distance this side of 
; i river. 
Sunday morning, the 8th oi dune, 1862, the enem crossed the river in two 
columns, and made an attack — Fremont being pitted against Ewcll, ami Shields 
• Jacksdh. Altera Bhort conflict, Freemont was completely routed and 
botiv pursued by Ewell, while Jaokaon held Shield- in cheek, aid was pressing 
him againsl the Shenandoah. The following characteristic dispatch was received 
from Jackson announcing the viol 
KlJLl PORT REPUBLIC, &amp;th, 
Via Staunton, J 1862. 
: Coopxr, Adjutant-General : 
Through God's blessing, the eneni} near Port Republic was this day 
routed, with the loss of BIZ piece- of hi- artillery. 
| Signed] T. J. Jackson, 
Major-Gsneral Commanding. 
The old hero, after giving the astute Yankee generajs a Bevere lesson in the 
art oi' war, left them fortifying against his advance, and proceeded with bis 
victorious, army in a different direction. We hear nothing more from him until 
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We normally do not present indentation of paragraphs on Wikisource. But if you want a shorter name, {{tl|dent}} exists, and works for both indented text and hanging indents. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|2em|That is nice but I am not sure I care too much. I just used it here for this response. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

: If you only need it for talk pages, you can produce the same effect with a colon, as I did here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|4em|I never said that. And I do not like the colon as it uses definition list markup. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

: My mistake. I misunderstood what you meant by &quot;I just used it here for this response.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|4em|My point was there are other uses than in Wikisource content. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

== Scans ==

Please do not use {{tl|Scan}} if the work has been fully transcribed.  Scan index pages should only be linked it the process of proofreading is still in progress.  Once the proofreading is complete, we remove the link to the scan, and instead link to the transcluded, finished copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am not sure what you are talking about. I usually use that mainly on Portal and/or version pages and places where linking to the Index page is interesting regardless of the status of its transcription. Are you talking about some specific context? I am confused. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::The link is specifically for use when the transcription is not completed.  Once completed, the template should ''not'' be used on Portal or Version pages.  It is a working link that should not appear once the transcription is done. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Even when transcription is completed but not transcluded? That seems wrong and would make finding it very hard. I usually stick to {{tlx|ssl}} when transcriptions are not transcluded yet or when transcription is incomplete. I very rarely use {{tlx|scan}} so I am not sure what this discussion is really referring to. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I will be hard for me to point to specific, because my initial post was nearly three years ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

== Pliny now messed up ==

Hi, the changes you've made to the Hudson translation of Pliny mean that the Bostock &amp; Henry translation links are also pointing to the same version. You need to sort this out. If they are to have the same title (''The Natural History of Pliny''), then there needs to be disambiguation—usually in the form ''The Natural History of Pliny (Hudson)''.

On a related note, subpages should not have redirects left behind, so mark them for speedy deletion with criterion M2 &quot;unneeded redirect&quot;. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 02:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:I actually noticed that and am still working on it. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Beeswaxcandle}} Okay, that  makes me wish there was a rights group for {{code|suppressredirect}} here. It seems like I have to have be an admin or a bot to get that here though. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:::It was a deliberate decision at the time of setting enWS up to restrict that right to admins only. It's because of the potential to break incoming external links for works that have been hosted for more than a short period of time (undefined). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== Cut and paste moves ==

Hi Uzume,

Please note that most content on Wikimedia projects are licensed in such a way (CC BY-SA) as to require attribution of the original when reusing it, typically handled in practice by linking back to the original. In particular, when copying a template or Lua module here from enWP you should make sure the edit summary contains a link to the original (e.g. [[w:Template:Ensure AAA contrast ratio]]). This also has the beneficial side-effect of making clear what the source is in case it needs to be reimported later (as is often the case with code). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|Xover}} I would have run actual imports if I had that right. Maybe you can do that for me (I have seen logs where you did that in the past). I did add Wikidata sitelinks, even if I did not specifically link back to the copy source directly as you mentioned. Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 13:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== UK Statutory Rules/Instruments and Orders... ==

A partial list of external sources is here:-  [[Portal:Secondary Legislation of the United Kingdom]] but as you've found with 1964 there may be more volumes than just Year 19xx volume 1,2,3. etc. which isn't reflected in the current portal.

Any chance you could liase with {{ping|Technolalia}} in getting 'complete' (and page-list checked) volume-sets for Commons? https://statutes.org.uk/site/collections/british-and-irish/statutory-rules-orders-instruments/  listing various volumes from around 1890 (although obviously not all S.R &amp; O or SI were in fact printed in collated volumes, especially those of a temporary or local character.)

My interests in UK SI, are those dealing with Traffic Signs, especially pre 1972 SI's amending TSGRD 1964 and the earlier TSGRD 1957, which are NOT present on legislation.gov.uk.  TSGRD 1975 onward are on legislation.gov.uk, and so are less of a priority. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 16:40, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, I am not sure that I am {{i|that}} interested, however, I always like to fix things. That said, I am not familiar with [[User:Technolalia|Technolalia]] or for that matter, UK legislation either. I believe you are referring to [[User talk:Technolalia#Statutory Insturments..]] (FYI, I am in the USA and a VPN won't buy anything at HathiTrust or its University of Michigan administrator; as Technolalia stated everything is via login). It is cool that he has been poking Google and getting them to release them. Government documents usually have very different public domain/copyright statuses (e.g., in USA all documents generated by a government official in the performance of their duties are considered public domain at time of release, including legislation, military reports, etc.). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
::That's fair.
::[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

== ToC issue ==

Hi, I don't know how to fix the small problem of the ToC between pages [[Page:The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï-v19.djvu/20|20]] and [[Page:The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï-v19.djvu/21|21]]. See the result [[The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï/Volume 19]]. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 07:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:Sorry, I got interrupted and did not get time to finish it. I plan to solve that issue by using the same concept as {{tl|hws}}/{{tl|hwe}} (basically copying the data and make one disappear and the other show both). It is a simple enough fix. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== She ==

I note that there seem to be two versions of the same original at:
* [[Index:She - a history of adventure (cu31924098819562).djvu]], and
* [[Index:She - a history of adventure (IA cu31924098819562).pdf]]

Are they both needed ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: No, not that I am aware of but I am not sure why you would ask me as it seems to me there are others far more versed in such things that I am. It seems to me the revised edition at [[Index:She (1888).djvu]] would be even more interesting. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
::I asked you because you worked on the .pdf and created the .djvu, didn't you ? I'll ask in the general main forum. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 07:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I did, likely because I uploaded the [[c:File:She - a history of adventure (cu31924098819562).djvu|DjVu]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 12:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

== Multi-language works ==

Multi-language works are hosted at the multi-language Wikisource, not on the English Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am aware of that—what is your point? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

You posted (edit-conflict) at WS:PD for keeping the Latin edition of the Commentaries of Caesar.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I only vied for the English portions as per another vote. I fully agree the Latin portions have no business here. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

The end-notes were a mix of Latin and English.  The six pages of &quot;Introduction&quot; were the only portion entirely in English.  And these pages had two issues: (1) in 13 years of the Index being here, no one proofread those pages, (2) the &quot;Introduction&quot; was a ramble by the author not focused on the text or Caesar.  Please also note that you did not comment on keeping the work until after it was deleted, and posted simultaneously with my posting to close the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You sound defensive. Even though I believe the English portions of the work could have stayed, I am in no way disappointed with the outcome. If someone proofs the Latin portions at la.WS or mul.WS, I would vie for an undeletion but until then, I am unconcerned. You might notice, I pointed the WS link at the [[c:File:Commentariesofcj00caesuoft.djvu|Commons DjVu file entry]] at mul.WS (via &lt;code&gt;oldwikisource&lt;/code&gt; iw prefix). Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:: I can't control how I &quot;sound&quot; to you; that's entirely your interpretation.  But in future, if you want to comment to Keep something in a WS:PD discussion, please comment ''before'' the deletion happens, not ''afterwards''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I agree, language is never entirely precise and the &quot;sound&quot; of things can easily be misinterpreted (and thus my comment). That said, I believe I posted my response before the deletion (although I cleared re-edited it during/after). Regardless, I am still unconcerned on the outcome (and more concerned about this discussion actually). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::: Check the time stamps in Recent Changes.  I started deletion at 11:21, and you did not comment until 11:29, as I was deleting the final four pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: And I am expected to check Recent Changes deletions before submitting my reply? I experienced no edit-conflicts at that time. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: It's quite a coincidence then that you posted a comment on a thread just as it was about to be closed, considering that you've posted to that discussion page on only two days in the past year.  My assumption was that you had posted because you saw the deletion happening in Recent Changes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I did not see that. In fact I posted to WS:PD shortly before that on a different topic and just happened upon this one (without looking at Recent Changes which I do not routinely consult). The so called &quot;edit-conflict&quot; is unfortunate but as I stated before, I am unconcerned with the result (and more concerned with this side-bar discussion). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: I suppose two hours earlier could be &quot;shortly before&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I had researched and prepared most of my response, prior to getting interrupted offline. If your are still unconvinced about the timeline of things, please consult the history of [[c:File:Commentariesofcj00caesuoft.djvu]], where I made edits prior to your closing this WS:PD discussion in question. I am still not sure I grasp the point to this discussion. I also made the [[Special:Diff/13886938/prev|13886938]] edit here on the topic of {{tl|Iwpage}} due to that template being mentioned in this WS:PD discussion (as part of my research for the responses in question). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

== Cabin at Trail's End ==

Hi Uzume, I notice you uploaded a [[Special:Diff/14404526|new version]] of a scan of ''The Cabin at the Trail's End'' by Sheba Hargreaves. I believe this is a PDF of the same scan that was already up as a DJVU.

Are you aware of the general preference for DjVu over PDF, as discussed [[Wikisource:DjVu vs. PDF|here]]? It's not absolute, as I understand it, and I'm interested in any reasons you may have had. Seemed best to discuss before transcription efforts begin in earnest. Thoughts?

And, are you interested in working on this transcription? I'd be happy to work on it with you if so. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]]: I do not have an issue with DjVu in general but IA-Upload corrupted that particular one (as it does far too often when building from JP2 bundles) by incorporating pages that it should not have. That is the cause of the OCR text being on the wrong page (an error by IA-Upload). There are numerous tickets on Phabricator about this. The PDF I uploaded (also via IA-Upload) does not have such issues. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
::Note that the OCR offset in the .djvu has been corrected. (It seems that administrators can do that faurly easily.) On the recommendation in Scriptorium, I have put the .pdf for deletion as a duplicate. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== GoToLinkedPage ==

I'm curious about [[Special:Diff/14452059|this]]. Why the detour through Wikidata for a local wikilink, and why not just use {{tl|wdl}} if some form of indirection is needed? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Mostly because I was considering moving that to Commons as per [[c:File:The Adventure of the Three Garridebs 01.jpg]] —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 14:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Thanks. I wondered what I was missing. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Xover|Xover]]: I was trying to cleanup [[author:Howard Keppie Elcock]] but this credits are in significant disarray so one thing at a time. I did not want to just override {{tl|do not move to Commons}} without ample substantiation. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 14:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

== We have redirects ==

What is the value of [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Great_Gatsby_(1953)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14544321 making edits like this]?  We have redirects in place that perform that function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: By the same token an argument could be made that {{para|author-display}} (along with {{para|override-author}} and similar for other contributor types) are also unneeded since we have redirects that serve such purposes. Are you advocating to be rid of such template/module parameters in lieu of redirects? If so, methinks your argument should be made at [[Template talk:Header]]. Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::No, we do need both values for Author pages disambiguated by the use of dates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Actually, we do not. The current {{tl|header}} logic will automatically remove parenthesized disambiguation from the author (or other contributor) link display text. So in point of fact, if dab dates are included at the end in parens, there is no {{em text|actual}} need for those parameters (at least not based upon your current argument). That said, I believe they are useful and would not consider lobbying for their removal. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Incidentally, it is quite possible [[Author:F. Scott Fitzgerald]] could come to refer to more than a single author, e.g., becoming a {{tl|dab}} page, including {{w|Frances Scott Fitzgerald}} as well as [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald]]. Wouldn't it be good if the works linked to the right place then? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::If that situation arose, your approach would require us to edit every single header with the direct link. Using the redirects would simply necessitate a change of redirect target. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Well perhaps I am preparing to convert that to such a {{tl|dab}} page. What are the value of your posts here questioning me about such? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I want to determine whether (1)  there is some advantage I am unaware of.  If there truly is a benefit, then community practice should change in light of such a benefit, or (2) if there is no actual benefit, the eliminating needless edits, wasteful time, or detrimental changes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I cannot say I understand your impetus to question me about such edits. Were you able to obtain what you were looking for? If you determine they have little to no benefit, how do you propose to eliminate them? I do not think cleaning up accreditation and/or bypassing some redirection is problematic (in some cases I changed things to read &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot; as credited in the published work and in others just bypassed the redirection causing the same text to link to [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald]]). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::From what I gather, the bypassing of the redirect is pointless.  There is no advantage. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I agree, however, there is also no disadvantage either. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If you ''are'' preparing to disambiguate, as you imply, then your edits are wasteful, as all your changes will have to be redone following the disambiguation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Please elucidate as to why? Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Because, if you are adding the full name of the ''current'' Author page to the header now, then you disambiguate that Author page, it moves the location of that Author's page, which means the Author link has to be changed ''again'' after the disambiguation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You have it the other way around. I have now converted [[Author:F. Scott Fitzgerald]] to a {{tl|dab}} page. It seems like my earlier edits are in fact need in that light, no? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::No. Frances ''never'' went by the name &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot;, so the disambiguation is spurious.  Every publication with &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot; is by Francis, never by Frances.  Also, Frances was 7 years old in 1928, so it will be decades before we host any of her works. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am not sure I would call it spurious, but I agree it is a tad early. That said, you seemed to want to force my hand in such matters. It would have been so much easier if you had just dropped the topic, no? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I was not attempting to &quot;force your hand&quot;, I was seeking information.  It seems more like you are scrambling to justify your actions. You have now made ill-advised changes in the absence of evidence to create an Author page for a seven-year-old (in 1928) with the wrong copyright license.  That is, unless you have evidence of works she published by the time she was seven. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::For modern Authors with no known hostable works, we routinely delete the Author pages.  Are there hostable works by Frances? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am not aware of any, but there might be works available under other potential licenses besides, public domain status. She was a journalist. Some of her work will likely be under an assortment of licenses. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

== Authority Control ==

What would you think of adding Familysearch ID to the template? I use it to correct or fill in missing birth and death years for people with portals. Familysearch links to primary documents like birth and death records as well as census records. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I am assuming you are referring to identifiers based around {{wde|P2889}}. {{wde|Q3066228}} is a project of {{wde|Q42504}}, but I do not have a problem with such being added. We currently do not have much in the genealogy side of things and methinks we probably should have more as it is sometimes hard to find many facts about long dead authors. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
* Yes! I have been using it to fill in missing birth and death dates as well as figuring out middle initials. Many birth dates pulled from Wikidata were off by a year, because they were estimates made at death, based on the person's age. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 02:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I often play the &quot;kill old people/authors&quot; game by looking up data and trying to update such things at Wikidata and elsewhere. It can be tricky to research such things (I also use {{wde|Q26878196}} via {{wde|Q16463359}} to fix up {{wde|P535}} via {{wde|Q63056}}). I am curious why you decided to post this on my user talk page though and not at [[Module talk:Authority control]] where other potential interested parties might more easily participate (i.e., why target me?). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
* I saw that of the people that last edited the template, you had made contributions on that day, some of the others had not made a contribution recently. But you are right, it should have been made there. I was not aware of &quot;module&quot; space, I have only edited templates at Commons. 
* One other concept needing your input. We have the surname categories I started and I see you have been adding people. Can you connect one at Wikidata: Category:Surnames|Bennet|wikidata=Q20995766 ? A bot will eventually link them from Wikidata on Monday, but I want to see today how we can have a backlink going in the other direction. If this was a portal we would have a backlink with &quot;sister projects: Commons category, Wikidata item&quot;. I was wondering if we need backlinks from category space. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: Well, [[Template talk:Authority control]] is a redirect to [[Module talk:Authority control]] so it should not have been that hard to find. As for the surname categories, I was linking some of them at Wikidata. I am not sure about any bot automatically linking them as that takes some significant work to split the category from the Wikidata item into a separate category Wikidata item like I did by splitting {{wde|Q131390053}} from {{wde|Q20995766}}. I was actually considering whether it made sense to add logic to [[Template:Person]]/[[Module:Person]] and [[Template:Author]]/[[Module:Author]] for such surname categories (we already have a bunch of them in the module here for other reasons such as occupation) instead of manually adding author and portal pages to such categories. Commons does a similar thing with their [[c:Template:Wikidata Infobox]]/[[c:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core]]/[[c:Module:Wikidata Infobox]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 07:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* Another idea that could use your input. I suggested that we migrate the &quot;inflation&quot; template to Wikidata, there were no objections, but the template is very complex with many subtemplates. Could you look at the template at English Wikipedia and see if you understand it enough to migrate it? I have news articles from the the early 1900s and it would be great if in the notes section of the template, it calculated the current value of the dollars mentioned. Currently I do it by hand, but it will never update. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I am assuming you are referring to [[w:Template:Inflation]]. I cannot say I am particularly familiar with such. I took a brief look at it and I was unable to find your suggestion (with or without objections). That said, after a brief survey, methinks such a request would be a monumental task and I am unconvinced Wikidata would be right place to house such information anyway. There seems to be an entire database of a sort hidden within the template stack there (e.g., [[w:Template:Inflation/US/dataset]] is one such &quot;data&quot; lookup template). This reminds me of the issues with [[w:Template:Taxonomy]] (and its 120k+ subpages, etc.) and the 6k+ templates in [[w:Category:All country data templates]], etc. Presuming Wikidata is the right place, one would first have to consider what is the right way to model such data and then construct a system to make queries from such a model. Perhaps a better solution would be to migrate it to [[mw:Help:Tabular data]] which gets stored in JSON (I believe Wikidata also uses JSON for its semistructured Wikibase data under the hood) in [[m:DataNamespace]] at Commons as a part of [[mw:Extension:JsonConfig]]. There was an interesting/credible attempt to migrate the inflation database to a set of Sribunto Lua modules (see [[w:Template talk:Inflation#Lua version of Template:Inflation/year]] and [[w:Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Sandbox/User:Ahecht/Inflation]]) but it ultimately failed (apparently due to some performance issue). Basically it sounds like you want a better more portable implementation of the inflation data that can then be used here at Wikisource (with the possibility to also eventually renovate existing usage at Wikipedia, etc.). I cannot say I am an interested enough party to spend many man-hours working on such a thing (even if I do have a handle on what might well need to be done). I do not mind discussing such an architecture but I likely won't be committing much time towards actually building such (even though it does sound like a valuable proposal). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 08:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* I agree, &quot;inflation&quot; is too complex to migrate over easily. I got lost trying to work out all the subroutines and data sets it invokes. I have just been calculating and adding the updated dollar amounts into the notes section to give context. The data will gradually lose meaning, but for now lets you see what the $500 reward mentioned in a new article in 1880 would be equal to today. It would be much better if MediaWiki or some other central storage space held these complex templates so they could be invoked by all the projects, and only have to be updated at one place. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 00:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:John Horne Burns]] ==

You included the standard PD licence which says that there were works published before 1929. That seems unlikely as he was only born in 1916.

Are you aware of any public domain works by him ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: I am not particularly aware of any and I do not recall why I stubbed out that author at that time (maybe it was to differentiate it from [[Author:John Burns]]; I do not recall). I never claimed there were any works by him before 1929, only that any that existed would be PD in the US. I have no objection if you want to change {{tlx|PD-US|1953}} to {{tlx|copyright author}}. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 06:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::Putting PD-US produces the message &quot;Some or all works by this author are in the public domain in the United States because they were published before January 1, 1929.&quot; - I have changed as you suggest. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

== scan page link 2 ==

Your changes have broken this in the main space.  I am going to revert them and hope there are no hard feelings.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Of course I do not mind if it were actually broken but I do not think it was broken and if it was why did it take over two years for anyone notice such? Please provide an example where it was broken. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, I am sorry. I reverted it and it was still broken for me in main.  I am having template weirdness here.  {{tl|spl4}}, which I asked to be authored and then it ''was'' authored by [[User:Xover|Xover]] ''was'' broken and the history showed only ShakespeareFan. That spl2 is only broken for me doesn't surprise me.  I am on a small touch thing right now so I will paste a link tomorrow and be as happy as I can be if that link works for you. 

::Two years? When I first started to edit here, I was told not to bother with &quot;dpl&quot; and kin due to them being &quot;too complicated&quot;. I always assume I am the only person using them. spl2 is good for linking to Figures in technical works. It was working earlier this year when I was doing patents.  US Patent ocr sucks, both old and new versions; I think they are printed on brown paper. But I am rambling with my memories of all spl2 use.  And this device keeps changing what I have typed. Sorry and then another sorry.  And maybe another for the weird word in this long draft.  Link tomorrow.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 01:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Yeah, I wish I had started here sooner but I really only started editing here in late 2019. My account here goes back to 2009 and I have a bunch of edits before 2019 but don't let those fools you. The 2009 date is really just [[m:SUL|SUL]] and the other earlier edits are all imported from other WMF wikis (most EN-WP). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 05:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Here on [[Page:Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony (1908, Massey and Underhill).djvu/41]] it is working.  But in main, at [[Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony/Chapter 3#29]], for me, it is not even a link.  

::::If you tell me it is a link for you, I will gladly let this rest and just believe it works every where but in my stupid, crappy twisted and wrong world, where my constant thought is &quot;That is not AI, that is just stupid software.&quot;  Wikipedia always looked like a certain awful kind of hell to me.  Dishing out transcluded works from source is so different from what the wikipedias do; I started at commons which does something very different than wikipedias do.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 11:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Well, I can see your problem. The template appears to work fine, however, your usage of it appears to be flawed. The [[Template:Scan page link 2/doc|/doc]] pages states: &quot;In the main namespace, this gives a simple, {{strong|unlinked}} label consisting of {{{2}}}, the link label.&quot; so it does in fact work just fine for doing that but it appears you are attempting have it link to something else and are providing a {{para|3|{{var|anchor}}}}. If you look at the code for {{tlx|spl2}} you will notice it does not use a third unnamed parameter. I think you can sort of do what you are looking for with {{tlx|spl}} as you can set the anchor (at least in the main namespace). The order of arguments is different however (and one does not need to provide the fragment separator of &lt;code&gt;#&lt;/code&gt;). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::This used to work, i.e. show a different link depending on the namespace.  It was akin to {{tl|dpl}} only the template did no maths so it could wrap around words and roman numerals and give different links per namespace the same.  That is the only reason that I turned it back to the Billinghurst move; because it used to work (show a different link depending upon the namespace).  And just so that I cannot prove it, the history of [[Template:DJVU page link 2]] has been deleted.  Inductiveload rewrote them and using the &quot;scan page link&quot; and they worked at that time also.  I have a lot of linked toc in my past work here that uses this, you know, because it worked.

::::::I don't really need to be believed, but shouldn't it have a different name now if it is not going to link in the main like spl does?  The name was changed from &quot;DJVU&quot; to &quot;scan&quot; because it was confusing as it worked also for pdf or jpg or whatever format of document was at use in the Index space.  I think that the similar name applied to two different linking expectations is even more confusing.  I will quit bothering you with this.  But one last thought.  Just because there is a unicycle available, it doesn't mean that everyone needs to use it.  Personally, I would need at least two wheels, but that doesn't mean that a second wheel needs to be added to the unicycle.  If a second wheel is added to a unicycle for me, (for example) not only does it make it not a unicycle any longer, but it also means that no one will be able to actually be able to use a unicycle.  No one that can and no one will be able to learn to use one.  Many will be able to use the two wheel contraption that we wrongly call &quot;a unicycle&quot; though.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 09:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: I am not sure but I think I might even remember such behavior. Perhaps you should talk to [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]] or something. I know there are many pages that depend on the current functionality but there might be just as many broken depending on the old functionality you were expecting too. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello. I have reverted the last change by [[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]], because it broke pages in the main NS, displaying the code like &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[[[{{{3}}}|1]]]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; instead of the page numbers. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] heh, that is the point of spl2.  It is there for non-numerical page numbers like the roman numerals in tocs.  It is recommended in the toc documentation to be used when {{tl|spl}} and toc page offsets absolutely will not work.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 13:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::One of the works where it was broken was [[The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy]], which is given in the documentation of the {{Template|Scan page link 2}} as an example of the template's usage. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Besides, I think that problems that may arrise by any change should be solved before the change, even if the problems are caused by wrong usage of the template. So if the template is used wrongly in some pages, first it needs to be replaced in all such cases, and only then it can be changed. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:Lazar Komarčić]] ==

Do you know if any of his works have been translated to english ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: I really do not know much about that author so I am mostly unaware of that author's works in general, however there seem to be about a dozen works attributed to him on Commons. They appear to be in the author's native tongue of Serbian so they would be applicable for [[wikisource:translations#Wikisource original translations|Wikisource original translations]], should someone want to work on such. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 23:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. Perhaps one day ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:Samuel Chiles Mitchell]] or [[Author:Thomas Lindsley Bradford]] ==

Are you aware of any works by these men - in particular ones in the public domain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:03, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: No, I am not. However, doing a little searching there are some. For Mitchell there is volume 10 of {{cite|[[c:Category:The South in the Building of the Nation|The South in the Building of the Nation]]}}. For Bradford there are many at his Commons category: [[c:Category:Thomas Lindsley Bradford]]. Did you look for those yourself? You should really check Commons at least. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:15, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::You created those pages - you really should have added some works when you did so. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: Well I cannot do everything (a lot of the ones I stub out like  that are done because I was working on something larger like Wikidata or Commons) and I thought that is exactly why things like {{tlx|populate}} exist to begin with. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 12:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Walter Forward Austin]] ==

Did this person ''author'' any books, or merely ''publish'' books?  If you know of books he authored, please list one.  If he was a publisher only, then he should not have an Author page.  Author pages are for Authors, not publishers. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think things like: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/31526 (linked on the author page in the authority control section) and https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Austin%2C%20Walter%20F.%20%28Walter%20Forward%29%2C%201872- and pretty self explanatory but I was planning to add some (after I gathered more data like linking it to [[The Great Events by Famous Historians]] and other things). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::OK, so he did act as editor on at least a couple of publications.  Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Yes, that is why the author page is part of {{cl|Editors as authors}} —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Those categories are usually auto-generated from &quot;occupations&quot; placed at Wikidata without a reference, so I generally do not rely on them to be authoritative. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: True, but there is much data at Wikidata you could have relied on to tell you what he worked on (e.g., the links I quoted) without forcing me to justify such here. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I came and asked a question, and explained why I was asking the question.  I thanked you for answering my question. I do not understand your apparent defensiveness over my asking a question.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am sorry if I came off defensive, but I only {{em text|just}} created his author page and hardly had time to add more. Also I seem to have been getting many such inquires lately as if I have to defend my actions for creating author pages. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Please do not feel attacked or that you need to defend your actions.  I have been following up on new Author pages for a couple of days, and am asking questions of the page creators because that's usually the best and fastest way to obtain the information.  Once I knew there are published works, and heard you say that you intended to add some, that let me know I did not need to hunt any down myself, and I could move on to other pages.  I appreciate the fact that you answered with even more information than I needed to know to answer my question. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: It just seems like, if I publish an author page with {{tlx|populate}}, I get pinged but if I instead add even a single work (even if they are extremely obscure or even entirely erroneous), I do not. This seem the opposite of what it should be. Thank you. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:A Plea for Woman.pdf]] ==

I appreciate you wanting to validate this, but I'm not sure I'm happy with your other changes here. I wish you'd talked to me before making sweeping style and markup changes; indeed, is there not an unwritten rule that the original contributor gets significant latitude in questions of style?

I see the argument that single quotes might not produce semantically correct HTML, but as for alternatives like [[Template:em text]]:
* I'm not convinced it's worth the additional burden while proofreading
* It's not what the editor buttons give you, so does it really matter, when MediaWiki controls the rendering anyway
* I don't see that it's supported by an explicit consensus at Scriptorium, nor is it described at (indeed it contradicts) [[Help:Editing]], [[Help:Templates]], or [[Wikisource:Style guide]]

[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 00:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Also, you created [[A Plea for Woman]] before it was complete, which I prefer not to do, but at the very least it should have a maintenance tag marking it as incomplete IMO. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 00:08, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: I am not sure I made any &quot;{{em text|sweeping}} style and markup changes.&quot; I like semantic markup so I often use those so one can tell one type of italics from another. I also prefer {{strong|not}} to transcribe things as all capitalized and instead just mark it up to look such to fit the actual printing that way anyone that copies the text won't get the all cap version, etc. But do feel free to change things if you prefer things another way as I am not that concerned. As for the main space item, there is already an automatically generated bar graph at the top of any pages when transcluding via {{tag|pages|o}} but feel free to add other notices as you see fit (although you may have to change them frequently if you are updating the page transcriptions which seems cumbersome). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 00:22, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that your preferences are not objectively wrong, but they are just preferences. And if, as you say, you're &quot;not that concerned&quot;, why did you decide to implement them in somebody else's partially-done project?
::There is a long-standing social norm here (or at least there used to be, I've only just come back from a long wikibreak) that you do not jump in on other people's projects without asking. One reason is that many people get a sense of satisfaction from seeing a project through from beginning to end. Another is that formatting across a work should be consistent, but there are many ways of doing things, so it makes sense for one editor to do the whole thing in their chosen way. The exception to the norm would be to validate pages, but in that case, not to change the formatting decisions of the original contributor without discussion.
::By jumping in, you've:
::*stopped me from getting the satisfaction of transcribing the whole work;
::*created an unwelcome feeling of urgency on my part by leaving a work in mainspace unfinished;
::*imposed your formatting preferences on me, meaning I either need go to through the unpleasant drama of reverting them all, or do all future proofreading according to your style, against my preferences and at a higher level of complexity.
::You've been around a while, so I would have hoped you'd have picked this up, but I've explained it to give you the benefit of the doubt (in that regard) and make my views clear. Please don't do this kind of thing in future, unless you know the original contributor is ok with it.
::As for this case, I'm not particularly motivated any more. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:33, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: There are {{strong|many}} partially completed projects around. I am sorry I did not notice you had been recently working on it. I meant no disrespect and I certainly did not want to put you out in terms of wanting to continue working on that. Please {{strong|do}} continue. I really like your work and I am sorry to have inadvertently stepped on your toes. {{em text|Please}} feel free to change and/or revert things how you like. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:49, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: How would you like me to handle this? It seems you had planned to transcribe the entire work as unit project. I had no intention of taking over that whole work as project and without noticing you were working on it in such a manner, it seems I have inadvertently interrupted and demotivated you from working on it. I have not touched anything related to that work since I received your first message about this and realized you were actively working on it. Besides validating the thirty-seven pages you had transcribed, I only transcribed five pages, mostly title pages and table of contents pages. I also added twelve main space pages: the main work and eleven chapters as subpages. I also created a CSS style sheet for the Index and added the table of contents pages as transclusions to the Index. Most of the work I did was just organizational based upon the table of contents.
:::I do not usually do much in the way of main content Page transcription work. I prefer to help organize things by working on Wikidata, stubbing out author pages (you may have noticed I created [[Author:Marion Kirkland Reid]], [[Author:Hugo Reid (1809-1872)]], etc.), categorizing works on Commons (e.g., I created [[c:Category:Marion Kirkland Reid]] and [[c:Category:Hugo Reid (1809-1872)]], etc.) and setting up Index pages for works in preparation for the proofreading step (i.e., leaving them in &quot;To be proofread&quot;) of the the transcription process. I also like to work on templates and Scribunto modules, etc. Lately I have been trying to cleanup the organization of some periodicals (volume, issue number, article name, year and month, etc.).
:::Would you prefer I contact an administrator and ask them delete all my work related to {{cite|A Plea for Woman}}, commit to fully transcribing it, never touch it from here on out or somehow try to collaborate on it in some other way (for now I am not touching it until you tell me what, if anything, you want me to do)? Getting people to actively contribute to things is a precious treasure and much needed resource, and the last thing I want to do is to dissuade or demotivate someone from potentially contributing to valuable public work like Wikisource, etc. It is with a heavy heart, I feel I may have hurt you in this regard and I look forward to your response on this matter and hope you will consider continuing your amazing work here at Wikisource. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I appreciate you wanting to make things right, but as I alluded to, I want to minimise the drama. It would be excessive, even petty, to ask you to delete the pages you created, which is legitimate work, just so I could do it later. As for undoing the formatting changes, it might be worth it if I were committed to go back and finish the work, but the spell is kind of broken there. So please don't go to the bother.
::::Also, no need to lay it on quite so thick with the compliments or the gravity of regrets. It's unfortunate, but it's an understandable mistake, and I don't claim to not make mistakes myself; so going forward, no hard feelings.
::::I think I might look in at the [[Index:A Room of One's Own (Hogarth 1929).djvu|proofread of the month]] next, it's right up my street. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:36, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: I do not know about &quot;lay[ing] it on [] so thick&quot; but this event {{em text|did}} make me notice you and so I poked around a bit and maybe you feel it is excessive but I do think your work is amazing and I am glad you haven't given up on Wikisource in general. I am still wondering what you might want me to do with this particular work, if anything. Are you considering working on it at some future date (come back to it after settling down and considering things more)? Or do you not want that but would rather see it completed and want me to put time on it (because you do not want to touch it again but the work itself is worthwhile)? I also noticed how you used &lt;code&gt;{{ml|BethNaught/RHH|three}}&lt;/code&gt; with {{code|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. I believe the approach of &lt;code&gt;{{ml|Recto-verso|recto_verso}}&lt;/code&gt; is better (e.g., handing roman numeral page numbers, etc.) but I really like {{code|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}; it is not like page number or their headers are subject to change and need to be recalculated at every page rendering. It would be really nice to do something more complex (e.g., the header at [[Index:The Bondman; A New Saga (IA bondmannewsaga00cain).djvu]]) but at the same time static. Ideally, it should result in a single simple {{tlx|rh}} or similar. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 22:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

== Mainspace transclusions with empty pages ==

It's probably not a good idea to do so many placeholder transclusions with pages that don't exist inserted into them, such as was done at [[Battle Hymn of the Republic (1862 sheet music)]] and [[Battle Hymn of the Republic (1890 sheet music)]], as well as what was previously done with ''[[The Story of the Battle Hymn of the Republic]]'' (with all the chapters!) before any pages were there. If a casual reader, or even some editors, came across these, they'd be confused and think the page was somehow broken, leading to a more negative perception of the entire site. I wager that your goal was probably to save someone else the extra effort of having to do transclusion themselves, or to &quot;get the hard part out of the way early,&quot; since transclusion ''is'' highly technical and annoying. But the mainspace should ideally have at least some content to show, since mainspace content inevitably invites more attention. So I deleted them for now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:31, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: &quot;so many&quot;? Each had only four pages. That hardly seems like a lot to me. As for transclusions of [[Index:The story of the Battle hymn of the republic (IA storybattlehymnr00halliala).pdf]], I was in the middle of transcribing it but apparently you re-transcribed it, trashing everything I had done to that point. I am glad I am not the type to be overly attached to such things (see e.g., [[#Index:A Plea for Woman.pdf]] above). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 15:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:: Oh! I didn't realize you were ''actually in the middle of active transcription of the content''!!!😨 I had kept a close eye on the Index as I was working on ''The Story'' (to make sure that wasn't what was happening), and the behavior I saw looked like you were just filling in the first few front matter pages and &quot;gray&quot; pages, like people often do with many indexes at a time here without being interested in transcribing the content pages. I didn't know you were transcribing it externally just like I was!!! Sorry!!! ;( It probably wasn't a good idea to jump into something you just added a link to seconds ago, admittedly, now that I think of it! I'll try not to do that again, even if my interest in the work tells me otherwise (which this time was severe and extremely tempting).
:: If you ever want something specific done (like you need a bot to clean up an Index, or there's a work you want transcribed but it's too annoying for you to want to do it), let me know and I'll drop everything to do my best at it—it'll be my way to make it up to you.
:: Well, anyway, on the issue of missing pages, it's not about the ''number of pages'' that were missing in the transclusions—my issue was more about ''optics''. Doing this, to any page in the mainspace at all, produces a header and a bunch of red links, and also ProofreadPage puts page numbers in the side-bar in a kind of discombobulated way to compensate for the fact that the pages weren't ever created. A reader who picked a version of &quot;[[Battle Hymn of the Republic]]&quot; to read, and it happened to be one of those two links, would get what appears ''to them'' to be some kind of glitch, which would confuse and disorient them, and this kind of thing often makes casual readers question the legitimacy of a site they're looking at.
:: But I guess it's not ''that'' big of a deal, since sadly, most of our works don't even go higher than &lt;u&gt;''five''&lt;/u&gt; page views per month anyway... So, eh, I guess it IS a &quot;You left your fork on the table and left for a moment! An evil ninja might steal it!&quot; kind of scenario. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:28, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I am not too concerned about it but I appreciate the sentiment. If you are offering though, maybe you can transcribe the sheet music: [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic (1862 sheet music)]] and [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic (1890 sheet music)]] (which should be virtually identical except a few dates). I am not very good with {{tag|score|o}} and {{w|LilyPond}} markup (it probably doesn't help I never learned to read sheet music; perhaps I should work on that). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 16:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: Consider it done. But I will ask that if you'd allow me to transcribe them, I may want to delete the current indexes because I want to consolidate the images into one PDF file. Is that okay? Well, either way, I'll challenge myself to have it done by the end of the week. This'll be fun! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:18, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I have no issue with that but if you do, you might want to consider building your PDF/DjVu based upon the JPEG2000 images from the Library of Congress source instead. Recent PDF specifications allows JPEG2000 compression of images within the work so your combined work might look better that way (though it might not matter much for this particular piece). I was just following things like: [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic]]. I find it sadly amusing Commons does not allow JPEG2000 files but allows PDF files with embedded JPEG2000 images. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

== hat notes ==

Hat notes like {{tl|other translations}} should not direct users offsite. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Where is that documented at? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::In the template's documentation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I really do not see anything like that at [[Template:Other translations/doc]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:40, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The first line of the documentation says: &quot;This template is to be used to point to translations pages: pages that list other translations of the same work&quot;.  Do you know what translations pages are? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:41, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: That is not very clear but I am going to go out on a limb and guess it refers to pages in the {{ns:translation}} namespace. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, they are &quot;pages that list other translations of the same work&quot;, as noted in the documentation.  The page [[Roman de la Rose]], which you have been editing, is a translations page.  This and other forms of disambiguation pages are explained at [[Help:Disambiguation]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Then I think the template's documentation needs some better clarification on that. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::What additional information do you suggest as helpful? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Rather than answer that I just updated the documentation. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

You are now conflating versions pages with translations pages.  If there are multiple versions of Chaucer's translation, then those would be listed at a versions page dedicated to those versions.  We have only one such item right now, untranscribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:See for example: [[Cyclops (Euripides)]] which lists the translations of Euripides' play ''Cyclops''.  This is a translations page, and so lists the translations.  Shelley's translation of that play has multiple editions, so those are listed at [[Cyclops (Shelley)]].  This is a versions page, listing various editions of the same translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation?  A versions page is not for listing a single item, in isolation, but it meant to help connect when there is more than one. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: What do you mean by &quot;we&quot;? I believe verions disambigution pages can disambigute between verions that are not currently present at Wikisource. Is there some restriction I am not acquainted with? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;we&quot; in this sense means Wikisource.  I refer you again to [[Help:Disambiguation]].  When there is a single edition, there is no disambiguation needed.  In such cases, we use a direct link or redirect. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:40, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: What are you getting at? Is there a verions disambiguation page that has only a single edition listed? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:44, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::I refer you back to the question you have dodged twice now: Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:46, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I refer you back to &quot;we&quot; and is there a restriction on versions disambigution pages disbigutating versions not currently at Wikisource? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you do not know the answer, then please just say so.  If you are unwilling to answer, that shows bad faith. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I frankly, do not understand what you are trying to say/ask. Is it bad faith to misunderstand? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::This question is straightforward: Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation? That is the question, and it feels as though you are deliberately dodging by arguing semantics. You have been a contributor here for six years, and in that time should have become able to answer a &quot;yes-no&quot; question. Do I need to take this to [[WS:AN]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I believe we do but I am unsure what you mean by &quot;we have&quot;; at what point do you include &quot;we have&quot; something. When it is available externally? When it is at Commons? When something more is at WS-EN? Feel free to take my confusion to [[WS:AN]] if you think that is merited but I still am confused. I am not sure why you are even asking that to begin with. Is there something specifically you are concerned about? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not sure, then, can you tell me which editions you believe we have? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You mean besides the two listed at: {{cite|[[The Romaunt of the Rose]]}}? I am not really sure. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::There are also these: {{IAsl|prologuetocante02skeagoog}} &amp; {{IAsl|chaucersromaunt00chaugoog}}. but I just scraped those from: [[WS:RT#Unsorted]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:26, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: If all you wanted was a link to [[The Romaunt of the Rose]] then I am sorry for the confusion. In any event, I am glad you seem to have gotten when you were after (though I am still not entirely sure what that was). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:30, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Chaucer is one of the cornerstones of the early English language.  Having good and proper sources here for his works would be an excellent thing. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)</text>
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We normally do not present indentation of paragraphs on Wikisource. But if you want a shorter name, {{tl|dent}} exists, and works for both indented text and hanging indents. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|2em|That is nice but I am not sure I care too much. I just used it here for this response. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

: If you only need it for talk pages, you can produce the same effect with a colon, as I did here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|4em|I never said that. And I do not like the colon as it uses definition list markup. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

: My mistake. I misunderstood what you meant by &quot;I just used it here for this response.&quot; --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 01:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
{{ti|4em|My point was there are other uses than in Wikisource content. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 01:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}

== Scans ==

Please do not use {{tl|Scan}} if the work has been fully transcribed.  Scan index pages should only be linked it the process of proofreading is still in progress.  Once the proofreading is complete, we remove the link to the scan, and instead link to the transcluded, finished copy. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am not sure what you are talking about. I usually use that mainly on Portal and/or version pages and places where linking to the Index page is interesting regardless of the status of its transcription. Are you talking about some specific context? I am confused. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:31, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::The link is specifically for use when the transcription is not completed.  Once completed, the template should ''not'' be used on Portal or Version pages.  It is a working link that should not appear once the transcription is done. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Even when transcription is completed but not transcluded? That seems wrong and would make finding it very hard. I usually stick to {{tlx|ssl}} when transcriptions are not transcluded yet or when transcription is incomplete. I very rarely use {{tlx|scan}} so I am not sure what this discussion is really referring to. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:56, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I will be hard for me to point to specific, because my initial post was nearly three years ago. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 15:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

== Pliny now messed up ==

Hi, the changes you've made to the Hudson translation of Pliny mean that the Bostock &amp; Henry translation links are also pointing to the same version. You need to sort this out. If they are to have the same title (''The Natural History of Pliny''), then there needs to be disambiguation—usually in the form ''The Natural History of Pliny (Hudson)''.

On a related note, subpages should not have redirects left behind, so mark them for speedy deletion with criterion M2 &quot;unneeded redirect&quot;. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 02:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:I actually noticed that and am still working on it. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Beeswaxcandle}} Okay, that  makes me wish there was a rights group for {{code|suppressredirect}} here. It seems like I have to have be an admin or a bot to get that here though. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
:::It was a deliberate decision at the time of setting enWS up to restrict that right to admins only. It's because of the potential to break incoming external links for works that have been hosted for more than a short period of time (undefined). [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 04:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

== Cut and paste moves ==

Hi Uzume,

Please note that most content on Wikimedia projects are licensed in such a way (CC BY-SA) as to require attribution of the original when reusing it, typically handled in practice by linking back to the original. In particular, when copying a template or Lua module here from enWP you should make sure the edit summary contains a link to the original (e.g. [[w:Template:Ensure AAA contrast ratio]]). This also has the beneficial side-effect of making clear what the source is in case it needs to be reimported later (as is often the case with code). [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 06:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{re|Xover}} I would have run actual imports if I had that right. Maybe you can do that for me (I have seen logs where you did that in the past). I did add Wikidata sitelinks, even if I did not specifically link back to the copy source directly as you mentioned. Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 13:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

== UK Statutory Rules/Instruments and Orders... ==

A partial list of external sources is here:-  [[Portal:Secondary Legislation of the United Kingdom]] but as you've found with 1964 there may be more volumes than just Year 19xx volume 1,2,3. etc. which isn't reflected in the current portal.

Any chance you could liase with {{ping|Technolalia}} in getting 'complete' (and page-list checked) volume-sets for Commons? https://statutes.org.uk/site/collections/british-and-irish/statutory-rules-orders-instruments/  listing various volumes from around 1890 (although obviously not all S.R &amp; O or SI were in fact printed in collated volumes, especially those of a temporary or local character.)

My interests in UK SI, are those dealing with Traffic Signs, especially pre 1972 SI's amending TSGRD 1964 and the earlier TSGRD 1957, which are NOT present on legislation.gov.uk.  TSGRD 1975 onward are on legislation.gov.uk, and so are less of a priority. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 16:40, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, I am not sure that I am {{i|that}} interested, however, I always like to fix things. That said, I am not familiar with [[User:Technolalia|Technolalia]] or for that matter, UK legislation either. I believe you are referring to [[User talk:Technolalia#Statutory Insturments..]] (FYI, I am in the USA and a VPN won't buy anything at HathiTrust or its University of Michigan administrator; as Technolalia stated everything is via login). It is cool that he has been poking Google and getting them to release them. Government documents usually have very different public domain/copyright statuses (e.g., in USA all documents generated by a government official in the performance of their duties are considered public domain at time of release, including legislation, military reports, etc.). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
::That's fair.
::[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

== ToC issue ==

Hi, I don't know how to fix the small problem of the ToC between pages [[Page:The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï-v19.djvu/20|20]] and [[Page:The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï-v19.djvu/21|21]]. See the result [[The Novels and Other Works of Lyof N. Tolstoï/Volume 19]]. Thanks, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|talk]]) 07:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

:Sorry, I got interrupted and did not get time to finish it. I plan to solve that issue by using the same concept as {{tl|hws}}/{{tl|hwe}} (basically copying the data and make one disappear and the other show both). It is a simple enough fix. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:58, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== She ==

I note that there seem to be two versions of the same original at:
* [[Index:She - a history of adventure (cu31924098819562).djvu]], and
* [[Index:She - a history of adventure (IA cu31924098819562).pdf]]

Are they both needed ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 14:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: No, not that I am aware of but I am not sure why you would ask me as it seems to me there are others far more versed in such things that I am. It seems to me the revised edition at [[Index:She (1888).djvu]] would be even more interesting. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
::I asked you because you worked on the .pdf and created the .djvu, didn't you ? I'll ask in the general main forum. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 07:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I did, likely because I uploaded the [[c:File:She - a history of adventure (cu31924098819562).djvu|DjVu]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 12:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

== Multi-language works ==

Multi-language works are hosted at the multi-language Wikisource, not on the English Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am aware of that—what is your point? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

You posted (edit-conflict) at WS:PD for keeping the Latin edition of the Commentaries of Caesar.. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I only vied for the English portions as per another vote. I fully agree the Latin portions have no business here. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

The end-notes were a mix of Latin and English.  The six pages of &quot;Introduction&quot; were the only portion entirely in English.  And these pages had two issues: (1) in 13 years of the Index being here, no one proofread those pages, (2) the &quot;Introduction&quot; was a ramble by the author not focused on the text or Caesar.  Please also note that you did not comment on keeping the work until after it was deleted, and posted simultaneously with my posting to close the discussion. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You sound defensive. Even though I believe the English portions of the work could have stayed, I am in no way disappointed with the outcome. If someone proofs the Latin portions at la.WS or mul.WS, I would vie for an undeletion but until then, I am unconcerned. You might notice, I pointed the WS link at the [[c:File:Commentariesofcj00caesuoft.djvu|Commons DjVu file entry]] at mul.WS (via &lt;code&gt;oldwikisource&lt;/code&gt; iw prefix). Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:: I can't control how I &quot;sound&quot; to you; that's entirely your interpretation.  But in future, if you want to comment to Keep something in a WS:PD discussion, please comment ''before'' the deletion happens, not ''afterwards''. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:54, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I agree, language is never entirely precise and the &quot;sound&quot; of things can easily be misinterpreted (and thus my comment). That said, I believe I posted my response before the deletion (although I cleared re-edited it during/after). Regardless, I am still unconcerned on the outcome (and more concerned about this discussion actually). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::: Check the time stamps in Recent Changes.  I started deletion at 11:21, and you did not comment until 11:29, as I was deleting the final four pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: And I am expected to check Recent Changes deletions before submitting my reply? I experienced no edit-conflicts at that time. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: It's quite a coincidence then that you posted a comment on a thread just as it was about to be closed, considering that you've posted to that discussion page on only two days in the past year.  My assumption was that you had posted because you saw the deletion happening in Recent Changes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I did not see that. In fact I posted to WS:PD shortly before that on a different topic and just happened upon this one (without looking at Recent Changes which I do not routinely consult). The so called &quot;edit-conflict&quot; is unfortunate but as I stated before, I am unconcerned with the result (and more concerned with this side-bar discussion). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::: I suppose two hours earlier could be &quot;shortly before&quot;. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I had researched and prepared most of my response, prior to getting interrupted offline. If your are still unconvinced about the timeline of things, please consult the history of [[c:File:Commentariesofcj00caesuoft.djvu]], where I made edits prior to your closing this WS:PD discussion in question. I am still not sure I grasp the point to this discussion. I also made the [[Special:Diff/13886938/prev|13886938]] edit here on the topic of {{tl|Iwpage}} due to that template being mentioned in this WS:PD discussion (as part of my research for the responses in question). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

== Cabin at Trail's End ==

Hi Uzume, I notice you uploaded a [[Special:Diff/14404526|new version]] of a scan of ''The Cabin at the Trail's End'' by Sheba Hargreaves. I believe this is a PDF of the same scan that was already up as a DJVU.

Are you aware of the general preference for DjVu over PDF, as discussed [[Wikisource:DjVu vs. PDF|here]]? It's not absolute, as I understand it, and I'm interested in any reasons you may have had. Seemed best to discuss before transcription efforts begin in earnest. Thoughts?

And, are you interested in working on this transcription? I'd be happy to work on it with you if so. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 19:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]]: I do not have an issue with DjVu in general but IA-Upload corrupted that particular one (as it does far too often when building from JP2 bundles) by incorporating pages that it should not have. That is the cause of the OCR text being on the wrong page (an error by IA-Upload). There are numerous tickets on Phabricator about this. The PDF I uploaded (also via IA-Upload) does not have such issues. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
::Note that the OCR offset in the .djvu has been corrected. (It seems that administrators can do that faurly easily.) On the recommendation in Scriptorium, I have put the .pdf for deletion as a duplicate. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::: Dropping in for a note: OCR shifting isn't related to admins; it's the technical knowledge and the having fiddled with djvused.
::: I've also been trying today to make a toolforge webservice to do it automatically, but I'm having a bit of trouble. Perhaps I'll manage in the next few days.
::: I should really at least write a detailed help page on how to do it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 21:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== GoToLinkedPage ==

I'm curious about [[Special:Diff/14452059|this]]. Why the detour through Wikidata for a local wikilink, and why not just use {{tl|wdl}} if some form of indirection is needed? [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Xover|Xover]]: Mostly because I was considering moving that to Commons as per [[c:File:The Adventure of the Three Garridebs 01.jpg]] —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 14:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. Thanks. I wondered what I was missing. :) [[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 14:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Xover|Xover]]: I was trying to cleanup [[author:Howard Keppie Elcock]] but this credits are in significant disarray so one thing at a time. I did not want to just override {{tl|do not move to Commons}} without ample substantiation. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 14:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

== We have redirects ==

What is the value of [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Great_Gatsby_(1953)&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=14544321 making edits like this]?  We have redirects in place that perform that function. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: By the same token an argument could be made that {{para|author-display}} (along with {{para|override-author}} and similar for other contributor types) are also unneeded since we have redirects that serve such purposes. Are you advocating to be rid of such template/module parameters in lieu of redirects? If so, methinks your argument should be made at [[Template talk:Header]]. Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::No, we do need both values for Author pages disambiguated by the use of dates. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Actually, we do not. The current {{tl|header}} logic will automatically remove parenthesized disambiguation from the author (or other contributor) link display text. So in point of fact, if dab dates are included at the end in parens, there is no {{em text|actual}} need for those parameters (at least not based upon your current argument). That said, I believe they are useful and would not consider lobbying for their removal. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Incidentally, it is quite possible [[Author:F. Scott Fitzgerald]] could come to refer to more than a single author, e.g., becoming a {{tl|dab}} page, including {{w|Frances Scott Fitzgerald}} as well as [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald]]. Wouldn't it be good if the works linked to the right place then? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::If that situation arose, your approach would require us to edit every single header with the direct link. Using the redirects would simply necessitate a change of redirect target. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Well perhaps I am preparing to convert that to such a {{tl|dab}} page. What are the value of your posts here questioning me about such? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I want to determine whether (1)  there is some advantage I am unaware of.  If there truly is a benefit, then community practice should change in light of such a benefit, or (2) if there is no actual benefit, the eliminating needless edits, wasteful time, or detrimental changes. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I cannot say I understand your impetus to question me about such edits. Were you able to obtain what you were looking for? If you determine they have little to no benefit, how do you propose to eliminate them? I do not think cleaning up accreditation and/or bypassing some redirection is problematic (in some cases I changed things to read &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot; as credited in the published work and in others just bypassed the redirection causing the same text to link to [[Author:Francis Scott Fitzgerald]]). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::From what I gather, the bypassing of the redirect is pointless.  There is no advantage. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I agree, however, there is also no disadvantage either. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If you ''are'' preparing to disambiguate, as you imply, then your edits are wasteful, as all your changes will have to be redone following the disambiguation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Please elucidate as to why? Thank you, —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Because, if you are adding the full name of the ''current'' Author page to the header now, then you disambiguate that Author page, it moves the location of that Author's page, which means the Author link has to be changed ''again'' after the disambiguation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You have it the other way around. I have now converted [[Author:F. Scott Fitzgerald]] to a {{tl|dab}} page. It seems like my earlier edits are in fact need in that light, no? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::No. Frances ''never'' went by the name &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot;, so the disambiguation is spurious.  Every publication with &quot;F. Scott Fitzgerald&quot; is by Francis, never by Frances.  Also, Frances was 7 years old in 1928, so it will be decades before we host any of her works. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am not sure I would call it spurious, but I agree it is a tad early. That said, you seemed to want to force my hand in such matters. It would have been so much easier if you had just dropped the topic, no? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::I was not attempting to &quot;force your hand&quot;, I was seeking information.  It seems more like you are scrambling to justify your actions. You have now made ill-advised changes in the absence of evidence to create an Author page for a seven-year-old (in 1928) with the wrong copyright license.  That is, unless you have evidence of works she published by the time she was seven. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::For modern Authors with no known hostable works, we routinely delete the Author pages.  Are there hostable works by Frances? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I am not aware of any, but there might be works available under other potential licenses besides, public domain status. She was a journalist. Some of her work will likely be under an assortment of licenses. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

== Authority Control ==

What would you think of adding Familysearch ID to the template? I use it to correct or fill in missing birth and death years for people with portals. Familysearch links to primary documents like birth and death records as well as census records. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 03:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I am assuming you are referring to identifiers based around {{wde|P2889}}. {{wde|Q3066228}} is a project of {{wde|Q42504}}, but I do not have a problem with such being added. We currently do not have much in the genealogy side of things and methinks we probably should have more as it is sometimes hard to find many facts about long dead authors. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
* Yes! I have been using it to fill in missing birth and death dates as well as figuring out middle initials. Many birth dates pulled from Wikidata were off by a year, because they were estimates made at death, based on the person's age. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 02:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I often play the &quot;kill old people/authors&quot; game by looking up data and trying to update such things at Wikidata and elsewhere. It can be tricky to research such things (I also use {{wde|Q26878196}} via {{wde|Q16463359}} to fix up {{wde|P535}} via {{wde|Q63056}}). I am curious why you decided to post this on my user talk page though and not at [[Module talk:Authority control]] where other potential interested parties might more easily participate (i.e., why target me?). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 03:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
* I saw that of the people that last edited the template, you had made contributions on that day, some of the others had not made a contribution recently. But you are right, it should have been made there. I was not aware of &quot;module&quot; space, I have only edited templates at Commons. 
* One other concept needing your input. We have the surname categories I started and I see you have been adding people. Can you connect one at Wikidata: Category:Surnames|Bennet|wikidata=Q20995766 ? A bot will eventually link them from Wikidata on Monday, but I want to see today how we can have a backlink going in the other direction. If this was a portal we would have a backlink with &quot;sister projects: Commons category, Wikidata item&quot;. I was wondering if we need backlinks from category space. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: Well, [[Template talk:Authority control]] is a redirect to [[Module talk:Authority control]] so it should not have been that hard to find. As for the surname categories, I was linking some of them at Wikidata. I am not sure about any bot automatically linking them as that takes some significant work to split the category from the Wikidata item into a separate category Wikidata item like I did by splitting {{wde|Q131390053}} from {{wde|Q20995766}}. I was actually considering whether it made sense to add logic to [[Template:Person]]/[[Module:Person]] and [[Template:Author]]/[[Module:Author]] for such surname categories (we already have a bunch of them in the module here for other reasons such as occupation) instead of manually adding author and portal pages to such categories. Commons does a similar thing with their [[c:Template:Wikidata Infobox]]/[[c:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core]]/[[c:Module:Wikidata Infobox]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 07:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* Another idea that could use your input. I suggested that we migrate the &quot;inflation&quot; template to Wikidata, there were no objections, but the template is very complex with many subtemplates. Could you look at the template at English Wikipedia and see if you understand it enough to migrate it? I have news articles from the the early 1900s and it would be great if in the notes section of the template, it calculated the current value of the dollars mentioned. Currently I do it by hand, but it will never update. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 19:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]]: I am assuming you are referring to [[w:Template:Inflation]]. I cannot say I am particularly familiar with such. I took a brief look at it and I was unable to find your suggestion (with or without objections). That said, after a brief survey, methinks such a request would be a monumental task and I am unconvinced Wikidata would be right place to house such information anyway. There seems to be an entire database of a sort hidden within the template stack there (e.g., [[w:Template:Inflation/US/dataset]] is one such &quot;data&quot; lookup template). This reminds me of the issues with [[w:Template:Taxonomy]] (and its 120k+ subpages, etc.) and the 6k+ templates in [[w:Category:All country data templates]], etc. Presuming Wikidata is the right place, one would first have to consider what is the right way to model such data and then construct a system to make queries from such a model. Perhaps a better solution would be to migrate it to [[mw:Help:Tabular data]] which gets stored in JSON (I believe Wikidata also uses JSON for its semistructured Wikibase data under the hood) in [[m:DataNamespace]] at Commons as a part of [[mw:Extension:JsonConfig]]. There was an interesting/credible attempt to migrate the inflation database to a set of Sribunto Lua modules (see [[w:Template talk:Inflation#Lua version of Template:Inflation/year]] and [[w:Special:PrefixIndex/Module:Sandbox/User:Ahecht/Inflation]]) but it ultimately failed (apparently due to some performance issue). Basically it sounds like you want a better more portable implementation of the inflation data that can then be used here at Wikisource (with the possibility to also eventually renovate existing usage at Wikipedia, etc.). I cannot say I am an interested enough party to spend many man-hours working on such a thing (even if I do have a handle on what might well need to be done). I do not mind discussing such an architecture but I likely won't be committing much time towards actually building such (even though it does sound like a valuable proposal). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 08:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
* I agree, &quot;inflation&quot; is too complex to migrate over easily. I got lost trying to work out all the subroutines and data sets it invokes. I have just been calculating and adding the updated dollar amounts into the notes section to give context. The data will gradually lose meaning, but for now lets you see what the $500 reward mentioned in a new article in 1880 would be equal to today. It would be much better if MediaWiki or some other central storage space held these complex templates so they could be invoked by all the projects, and only have to be updated at one place. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 00:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:John Horne Burns]] ==

You included the standard PD licence which says that there were works published before 1929. That seems unlikely as he was only born in 1916.

Are you aware of any public domain works by him ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 03:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: I am not particularly aware of any and I do not recall why I stubbed out that author at that time (maybe it was to differentiate it from [[Author:John Burns]]; I do not recall). I never claimed there were any works by him before 1929, only that any that existed would be PD in the US. I have no objection if you want to change {{tlx|PD-US|1953}} to {{tlx|copyright author}}. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 06:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
::Putting PD-US produces the message &quot;Some or all works by this author are in the public domain in the United States because they were published before January 1, 1929.&quot; - I have changed as you suggest. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

== scan page link 2 ==

Your changes have broken this in the main space.  I am going to revert them and hope there are no hard feelings.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 16:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Of course I do not mind if it were actually broken but I do not think it was broken and if it was why did it take over two years for anyone notice such? Please provide an example where it was broken. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yeah, I am sorry. I reverted it and it was still broken for me in main.  I am having template weirdness here.  {{tl|spl4}}, which I asked to be authored and then it ''was'' authored by [[User:Xover|Xover]] ''was'' broken and the history showed only ShakespeareFan. That spl2 is only broken for me doesn't surprise me.  I am on a small touch thing right now so I will paste a link tomorrow and be as happy as I can be if that link works for you. 

::Two years? When I first started to edit here, I was told not to bother with &quot;dpl&quot; and kin due to them being &quot;too complicated&quot;. I always assume I am the only person using them. spl2 is good for linking to Figures in technical works. It was working earlier this year when I was doing patents.  US Patent ocr sucks, both old and new versions; I think they are printed on brown paper. But I am rambling with my memories of all spl2 use.  And this device keeps changing what I have typed. Sorry and then another sorry.  And maybe another for the weird word in this long draft.  Link tomorrow.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 01:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Yeah, I wish I had started here sooner but I really only started editing here in late 2019. My account here goes back to 2009 and I have a bunch of edits before 2019 but don't let those fools you. The 2009 date is really just [[m:SUL|SUL]] and the other earlier edits are all imported from other WMF wikis (most EN-WP). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 05:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Here on [[Page:Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony (1908, Massey and Underhill).djvu/41]] it is working.  But in main, at [[Wireless Telegraphy and Telephony/Chapter 3#29]], for me, it is not even a link.  

::::If you tell me it is a link for you, I will gladly let this rest and just believe it works every where but in my stupid, crappy twisted and wrong world, where my constant thought is &quot;That is not AI, that is just stupid software.&quot;  Wikipedia always looked like a certain awful kind of hell to me.  Dishing out transcluded works from source is so different from what the wikipedias do; I started at commons which does something very different than wikipedias do.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 11:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: Well, I can see your problem. The template appears to work fine, however, your usage of it appears to be flawed. The [[Template:Scan page link 2/doc|/doc]] pages states: &quot;In the main namespace, this gives a simple, {{strong|unlinked}} label consisting of {{{2}}}, the link label.&quot; so it does in fact work just fine for doing that but it appears you are attempting have it link to something else and are providing a {{para|3|{{var|anchor}}}}. If you look at the code for {{tlx|spl2}} you will notice it does not use a third unnamed parameter. I think you can sort of do what you are looking for with {{tlx|spl}} as you can set the anchor (at least in the main namespace). The order of arguments is different however (and one does not need to provide the fragment separator of &lt;code&gt;#&lt;/code&gt;). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::This used to work, i.e. show a different link depending on the namespace.  It was akin to {{tl|dpl}} only the template did no maths so it could wrap around words and roman numerals and give different links per namespace the same.  That is the only reason that I turned it back to the Billinghurst move; because it used to work (show a different link depending upon the namespace).  And just so that I cannot prove it, the history of [[Template:DJVU page link 2]] has been deleted.  Inductiveload rewrote them and using the &quot;scan page link&quot; and they worked at that time also.  I have a lot of linked toc in my past work here that uses this, you know, because it worked.

::::::I don't really need to be believed, but shouldn't it have a different name now if it is not going to link in the main like spl does?  The name was changed from &quot;DJVU&quot; to &quot;scan&quot; because it was confusing as it worked also for pdf or jpg or whatever format of document was at use in the Index space.  I think that the similar name applied to two different linking expectations is even more confusing.  I will quit bothering you with this.  But one last thought.  Just because there is a unicycle available, it doesn't mean that everyone needs to use it.  Personally, I would need at least two wheels, but that doesn't mean that a second wheel needs to be added to the unicycle.  If a second wheel is added to a unicycle for me, (for example) not only does it make it not a unicycle any longer, but it also means that no one will be able to actually be able to use a unicycle.  No one that can and no one will be able to learn to use one.  Many will be able to use the two wheel contraption that we wrongly call &quot;a unicycle&quot; though.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 09:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]: I am not sure but I think I might even remember such behavior. Perhaps you should talk to [[User:Inductiveload|Inductiveload]] or something. I know there are many pages that depend on the current functionality but there might be just as many broken depending on the old functionality you were expecting too. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 09:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello. I have reverted the last change by [[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]], because it broke pages in the main NS, displaying the code like &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;[[[[{{{3}}}|1]]]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; instead of the page numbers. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] heh, that is the point of spl2.  It is there for non-numerical page numbers like the roman numerals in tocs.  It is recommended in the toc documentation to be used when {{tl|spl}} and toc page offsets absolutely will not work.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 13:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::One of the works where it was broken was [[The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy]], which is given in the documentation of the {{Template|Scan page link 2}} as an example of the template's usage. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Besides, I think that problems that may arrise by any change should be solved before the change, even if the problems are caused by wrong usage of the template. So if the template is used wrongly in some pages, first it needs to be replaced in all such cases, and only then it can be changed. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 13:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:Lazar Komarčić]] ==

Do you know if any of his works have been translated to english ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: I really do not know much about that author so I am mostly unaware of that author's works in general, however there seem to be about a dozen works attributed to him on Commons. They appear to be in the author's native tongue of Serbian so they would be applicable for [[wikisource:translations#Wikisource original translations|Wikisource original translations]], should someone want to work on such. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 23:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. Perhaps one day ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

== [[Author:Samuel Chiles Mitchell]] or [[Author:Thomas Lindsley Bradford]] ==

Are you aware of any works by these men - in particular ones in the public domain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:03, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: No, I am not. However, doing a little searching there are some. For Mitchell there is volume 10 of {{cite|[[c:Category:The South in the Building of the Nation|The South in the Building of the Nation]]}}. For Bradford there are many at his Commons category: [[c:Category:Thomas Lindsley Bradford]]. Did you look for those yourself? You should really check Commons at least. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 02:15, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
::You created those pages - you really should have added some works when you did so. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: Well I cannot do everything (a lot of the ones I stub out like  that are done because I was working on something larger like Wikidata or Commons) and I thought that is exactly why things like {{tlx|populate}} exist to begin with. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 12:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Walter Forward Austin]] ==

Did this person ''author'' any books, or merely ''publish'' books?  If you know of books he authored, please list one.  If he was a publisher only, then he should not have an Author page.  Author pages are for Authors, not publishers. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I think things like: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/31526 (linked on the author page in the authority control section) and https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Austin%2C%20Walter%20F.%20%28Walter%20Forward%29%2C%201872- and pretty self explanatory but I was planning to add some (after I gathered more data like linking it to [[The Great Events by Famous Historians]] and other things). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::OK, so he did act as editor on at least a couple of publications.  Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Yes, that is why the author page is part of {{cl|Editors as authors}} —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Those categories are usually auto-generated from &quot;occupations&quot; placed at Wikidata without a reference, so I generally do not rely on them to be authoritative. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: True, but there is much data at Wikidata you could have relied on to tell you what he worked on (e.g., the links I quoted) without forcing me to justify such here. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::I came and asked a question, and explained why I was asking the question.  I thanked you for answering my question. I do not understand your apparent defensiveness over my asking a question.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I am sorry if I came off defensive, but I only {{em text|just}} created his author page and hardly had time to add more. Also I seem to have been getting many such inquires lately as if I have to defend my actions for creating author pages. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Please do not feel attacked or that you need to defend your actions.  I have been following up on new Author pages for a couple of days, and am asking questions of the page creators because that's usually the best and fastest way to obtain the information.  Once I knew there are published works, and heard you say that you intended to add some, that let me know I did not need to hunt any down myself, and I could move on to other pages.  I appreciate the fact that you answered with even more information than I needed to know to answer my question. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: It just seems like, if I publish an author page with {{tlx|populate}}, I get pinged but if I instead add even a single work (even if they are extremely obscure or even entirely erroneous), I do not. This seem the opposite of what it should be. Thank you. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:A Plea for Woman.pdf]] ==

I appreciate you wanting to validate this, but I'm not sure I'm happy with your other changes here. I wish you'd talked to me before making sweeping style and markup changes; indeed, is there not an unwritten rule that the original contributor gets significant latitude in questions of style?

I see the argument that single quotes might not produce semantically correct HTML, but as for alternatives like [[Template:em text]]:
* I'm not convinced it's worth the additional burden while proofreading
* It's not what the editor buttons give you, so does it really matter, when MediaWiki controls the rendering anyway
* I don't see that it's supported by an explicit consensus at Scriptorium, nor is it described at (indeed it contradicts) [[Help:Editing]], [[Help:Templates]], or [[Wikisource:Style guide]]

[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 00:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Also, you created [[A Plea for Woman]] before it was complete, which I prefer not to do, but at the very least it should have a maintenance tag marking it as incomplete IMO. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 00:08, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: I am not sure I made any &quot;{{em text|sweeping}} style and markup changes.&quot; I like semantic markup so I often use those so one can tell one type of italics from another. I also prefer {{strong|not}} to transcribe things as all capitalized and instead just mark it up to look such to fit the actual printing that way anyone that copies the text won't get the all cap version, etc. But do feel free to change things if you prefer things another way as I am not that concerned. As for the main space item, there is already an automatically generated bar graph at the top of any pages when transcluding via {{tag|pages|o}} but feel free to add other notices as you see fit (although you may have to change them frequently if you are updating the page transcriptions which seems cumbersome). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 00:22, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that your preferences are not objectively wrong, but they are just preferences. And if, as you say, you're &quot;not that concerned&quot;, why did you decide to implement them in somebody else's partially-done project?
::There is a long-standing social norm here (or at least there used to be, I've only just come back from a long wikibreak) that you do not jump in on other people's projects without asking. One reason is that many people get a sense of satisfaction from seeing a project through from beginning to end. Another is that formatting across a work should be consistent, but there are many ways of doing things, so it makes sense for one editor to do the whole thing in their chosen way. The exception to the norm would be to validate pages, but in that case, not to change the formatting decisions of the original contributor without discussion.
::By jumping in, you've:
::*stopped me from getting the satisfaction of transcribing the whole work;
::*created an unwelcome feeling of urgency on my part by leaving a work in mainspace unfinished;
::*imposed your formatting preferences on me, meaning I either need go to through the unpleasant drama of reverting them all, or do all future proofreading according to your style, against my preferences and at a higher level of complexity.
::You've been around a while, so I would have hoped you'd have picked this up, but I've explained it to give you the benefit of the doubt (in that regard) and make my views clear. Please don't do this kind of thing in future, unless you know the original contributor is ok with it.
::As for this case, I'm not particularly motivated any more. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:33, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: There are {{strong|many}} partially completed projects around. I am sorry I did not notice you had been recently working on it. I meant no disrespect and I certainly did not want to put you out in terms of wanting to continue working on that. Please {{strong|do}} continue. I really like your work and I am sorry to have inadvertently stepped on your toes. {{em text|Please}} feel free to change and/or revert things how you like. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:49, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: How would you like me to handle this? It seems you had planned to transcribe the entire work as unit project. I had no intention of taking over that whole work as project and without noticing you were working on it in such a manner, it seems I have inadvertently interrupted and demotivated you from working on it. I have not touched anything related to that work since I received your first message about this and realized you were actively working on it. Besides validating the thirty-seven pages you had transcribed, I only transcribed five pages, mostly title pages and table of contents pages. I also added twelve main space pages: the main work and eleven chapters as subpages. I also created a CSS style sheet for the Index and added the table of contents pages as transclusions to the Index. Most of the work I did was just organizational based upon the table of contents.
:::I do not usually do much in the way of main content Page transcription work. I prefer to help organize things by working on Wikidata, stubbing out author pages (you may have noticed I created [[Author:Marion Kirkland Reid]], [[Author:Hugo Reid (1809-1872)]], etc.), categorizing works on Commons (e.g., I created [[c:Category:Marion Kirkland Reid]] and [[c:Category:Hugo Reid (1809-1872)]], etc.) and setting up Index pages for works in preparation for the proofreading step (i.e., leaving them in &quot;To be proofread&quot;) of the the transcription process. I also like to work on templates and Scribunto modules, etc. Lately I have been trying to cleanup the organization of some periodicals (volume, issue number, article name, year and month, etc.).
:::Would you prefer I contact an administrator and ask them delete all my work related to {{cite|A Plea for Woman}}, commit to fully transcribing it, never touch it from here on out or somehow try to collaborate on it in some other way (for now I am not touching it until you tell me what, if anything, you want me to do)? Getting people to actively contribute to things is a precious treasure and much needed resource, and the last thing I want to do is to dissuade or demotivate someone from potentially contributing to valuable public work like Wikisource, etc. It is with a heavy heart, I feel I may have hurt you in this regard and I look forward to your response on this matter and hope you will consider continuing your amazing work here at Wikisource. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:55, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
::::I appreciate you wanting to make things right, but as I alluded to, I want to minimise the drama. It would be excessive, even petty, to ask you to delete the pages you created, which is legitimate work, just so I could do it later. As for undoing the formatting changes, it might be worth it if I were committed to go back and finish the work, but the spell is kind of broken there. So please don't go to the bother.
::::Also, no need to lay it on quite so thick with the compliments or the gravity of regrets. It's unfortunate, but it's an understandable mistake, and I don't claim to not make mistakes myself; so going forward, no hard feelings.
::::I think I might look in at the [[Index:A Room of One's Own (Hogarth 1929).djvu|proofread of the month]] next, it's right up my street. [[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]] ([[User talk:BethNaught|talk]]) 21:36, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:BethNaught|BethNaught]]: I do not know about &quot;lay[ing] it on [] so thick&quot; but this event {{em text|did}} make me notice you and so I poked around a bit and maybe you feel it is excessive but I do think your work is amazing and I am glad you haven't given up on Wikisource in general. I am still wondering what you might want me to do with this particular work, if anything. Are you considering working on it at some future date (come back to it after settling down and considering things more)? Or do you not want that but would rather see it completed and want me to put time on it (because you do not want to touch it again but the work itself is worthwhile)? I also noticed how you used &lt;code&gt;{{ml|BethNaught/RHH|three}}&lt;/code&gt; with {{code|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}. I believe the approach of &lt;code&gt;{{ml|Recto-verso|recto_verso}}&lt;/code&gt; is better (e.g., handing roman numeral page numbers, etc.) but I really like {{code|&lt;nowiki&gt;{{subst:}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;}}; it is not like page number or their headers are subject to change and need to be recalculated at every page rendering. It would be really nice to do something more complex (e.g., the header at [[Index:The Bondman; A New Saga (IA bondmannewsaga00cain).djvu]]) but at the same time static. Ideally, it should result in a single simple {{tlx|rh}} or similar. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 22:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

== Mainspace transclusions with empty pages ==

It's probably not a good idea to do so many placeholder transclusions with pages that don't exist inserted into them, such as was done at [[Battle Hymn of the Republic (1862 sheet music)]] and [[Battle Hymn of the Republic (1890 sheet music)]], as well as what was previously done with ''[[The Story of the Battle Hymn of the Republic]]'' (with all the chapters!) before any pages were there. If a casual reader, or even some editors, came across these, they'd be confused and think the page was somehow broken, leading to a more negative perception of the entire site. I wager that your goal was probably to save someone else the extra effort of having to do transclusion themselves, or to &quot;get the hard part out of the way early,&quot; since transclusion ''is'' highly technical and annoying. But the mainspace should ideally have at least some content to show, since mainspace content inevitably invites more attention. So I deleted them for now. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:31, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: &quot;so many&quot;? Each had only four pages. That hardly seems like a lot to me. As for transclusions of [[Index:The story of the Battle hymn of the republic (IA storybattlehymnr00halliala).pdf]], I was in the middle of transcribing it but apparently you re-transcribed it, trashing everything I had done to that point. I am glad I am not the type to be overly attached to such things (see e.g., [[#Index:A Plea for Woman.pdf]] above). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 15:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:: Oh! I didn't realize you were ''actually in the middle of active transcription of the content''!!!😨 I had kept a close eye on the Index as I was working on ''The Story'' (to make sure that wasn't what was happening), and the behavior I saw looked like you were just filling in the first few front matter pages and &quot;gray&quot; pages, like people often do with many indexes at a time here without being interested in transcribing the content pages. I didn't know you were transcribing it externally just like I was!!! Sorry!!! ;( It probably wasn't a good idea to jump into something you just added a link to seconds ago, admittedly, now that I think of it! I'll try not to do that again, even if my interest in the work tells me otherwise (which this time was severe and extremely tempting).
:: If you ever want something specific done (like you need a bot to clean up an Index, or there's a work you want transcribed but it's too annoying for you to want to do it), let me know and I'll drop everything to do my best at it—it'll be my way to make it up to you.
:: Well, anyway, on the issue of missing pages, it's not about the ''number of pages'' that were missing in the transclusions—my issue was more about ''optics''. Doing this, to any page in the mainspace at all, produces a header and a bunch of red links, and also ProofreadPage puts page numbers in the side-bar in a kind of discombobulated way to compensate for the fact that the pages weren't ever created. A reader who picked a version of &quot;[[Battle Hymn of the Republic]]&quot; to read, and it happened to be one of those two links, would get what appears ''to them'' to be some kind of glitch, which would confuse and disorient them, and this kind of thing often makes casual readers question the legitimacy of a site they're looking at.
:: But I guess it's not ''that'' big of a deal, since sadly, most of our works don't even go higher than &lt;u&gt;''five''&lt;/u&gt; page views per month anyway... So, eh, I guess it IS a &quot;You left your fork on the table and left for a moment! An evil ninja might steal it!&quot; kind of scenario. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 16:28, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I am not too concerned about it but I appreciate the sentiment. If you are offering though, maybe you can transcribe the sheet music: [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic (1862 sheet music)]] and [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic (1890 sheet music)]] (which should be virtually identical except a few dates). I am not very good with {{tag|score|o}} and {{w|LilyPond}} markup (it probably doesn't help I never learned to read sheet music; perhaps I should work on that). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 16:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: Consider it done. But I will ask that if you'd allow me to transcribe them, I may want to delete the current indexes because I want to consolidate the images into one PDF file. Is that okay? Well, either way, I'll challenge myself to have it done by the end of the week. This'll be fun! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 17:18, 8 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]]: I have no issue with that but if you do, you might want to consider building your PDF/DjVu based upon the JPEG2000 images from the Library of Congress source instead. Recent PDF specifications allows JPEG2000 compression of images within the work so your combined work might look better that way (though it might not matter much for this particular piece). I was just following things like: [[Index:Battle Hymn of the Republic]]. I find it sadly amusing Commons does not allow JPEG2000 files but allows PDF files with embedded JPEG2000 images. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:25, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

== hat notes ==

Hat notes like {{tl|other translations}} should not direct users offsite. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:35, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Where is that documented at? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::In the template's documentation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:38, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I really do not see anything like that at [[Template:Other translations/doc]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:40, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The first line of the documentation says: &quot;This template is to be used to point to translations pages: pages that list other translations of the same work&quot;.  Do you know what translations pages are? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:41, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: That is not very clear but I am going to go out on a limb and guess it refers to pages in the {{ns:translation}} namespace. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:45, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::No, they are &quot;pages that list other translations of the same work&quot;, as noted in the documentation.  The page [[Roman de la Rose]], which you have been editing, is a translations page.  This and other forms of disambiguation pages are explained at [[Help:Disambiguation]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Then I think the template's documentation needs some better clarification on that. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 17:53, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::What additional information do you suggest as helpful? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: Rather than answer that I just updated the documentation. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

You are now conflating versions pages with translations pages.  If there are multiple versions of Chaucer's translation, then those would be listed at a versions page dedicated to those versions.  We have only one such item right now, untranscribed. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

:See for example: [[Cyclops (Euripides)]] which lists the translations of Euripides' play ''Cyclops''.  This is a translations page, and so lists the translations.  Shelley's translation of that play has multiple editions, so those are listed at [[Cyclops (Shelley)]].  This is a versions page, listing various editions of the same translation. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation?  A versions page is not for listing a single item, in isolation, but it meant to help connect when there is more than one. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: What do you mean by &quot;we&quot;? I believe verions disambigution pages can disambigute between verions that are not currently present at Wikisource. Is there some restriction I am not acquainted with? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:25, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::&quot;we&quot; in this sense means Wikisource.  I refer you again to [[Help:Disambiguation]].  When there is a single edition, there is no disambiguation needed.  In such cases, we use a direct link or redirect. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:40, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: What are you getting at? Is there a verions disambiguation page that has only a single edition listed? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:44, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::I refer you back to the question you have dodged twice now: Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:46, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I refer you back to &quot;we&quot; and is there a restriction on versions disambigution pages disbigutating versions not currently at Wikisource? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 18:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::If you do not know the answer, then please just say so.  If you are unwilling to answer, that shows bad faith. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I frankly, do not understand what you are trying to say/ask. Is it bad faith to misunderstand? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 19:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::This question is straightforward: Do we have more than one edition of Chaucer's translation? That is the question, and it feels as though you are deliberately dodging by arguing semantics. You have been a contributor here for six years, and in that time should have become able to answer a &quot;yes-no&quot; question. Do I need to take this to [[WS:AN]]? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: I believe we do but I am unsure what you mean by &quot;we have&quot;; at what point do you include &quot;we have&quot; something. When it is available externally? When it is at Commons? When something more is at WS-EN? Feel free to take my confusion to [[WS:AN]] if you think that is merited but I still am confused. I am not sure why you are even asking that to begin with. Is there something specifically you are concerned about? —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:12, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not sure, then, can you tell me which editions you believe we have? --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: You mean besides the two listed at: {{cite|[[The Romaunt of the Rose]]}}? I am not really sure. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::There are also these: {{IAsl|prologuetocante02skeagoog}} &amp; {{IAsl|chaucersromaunt00chaugoog}}. but I just scraped those from: [[WS:RT#Unsorted]]. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 20:52, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Thanks. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:26, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: If all you wanted was a link to [[The Romaunt of the Rose]] then I am sorry for the confusion. In any event, I am glad you seem to have gotten when you were after (though I am still not entirely sure what that was). —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume#top|talk]]) 21:30, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Chaucer is one of the cornerstones of the early English language.  Having good and proper sources here for his works would be an excellent thing. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)</text>
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A L G E B K A 
[PEOPORTION AND 
Ex. 3. Find the value of-A 
(6-c)a 
x = - == . 
when 
At the first reduction a divides out, and the fraction is 
reduced to 
I . 
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Lx. 4. Find the value of 
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a v(2a a;) 
when ic = ^/(i 2 + 4a6) - 6 . 
By the process explained in this article 
V o 
whence the fraction reduces to 
45. In arithmetic the square root of a number is another 
number, which, when multiplied by itself, shall produce 
the first number. In algebra, where quantity takes the 
place of number, the definition leads to a less limited 
result than in arithmetic. In the latter science there can 
not be two square roots of the same thing ; in the former, 
there will necessarily be two. For both -I- 2 x + 2 gives 
4, and - 2 x - 2 gives 4 ; hence the square root of 4 is - 2 
sis well as + 2. 
And, further, as in algebra, - 2 is a quantity subject to 
all the operations and definitions of the science, it is clearly 
competent to express, in some form or other, the result of 
extracting its square root. That form must of necessity 
be something very different in character from *J2, whether 
^/2 be + or - . For the definition requires that the square 
root of - 2 shall be such a quantity as when multiplied by 
itself shall produce - 2. It is then clearly no arith 
metical quantity either + or - , but some quantity con 
nected with numerical quantities by its properties, but not 
by its nature. It is termed an impossible or imaginary 
quantity, and may be written J - 2 or ^/2 *J - 1, and the 
same notation applies to the square roots of all negative 
quantities. 
The properties of imaginary quantities are almost iden 
tical with those of surds, and we need not stop to consider 
them. One example of their application will suffice. It 
affords strong confirmation of the safety of assuming the 
commutative law to exist in every branch of pure algebra. 
Ex. The product of the sum of two squares by the sum 
of two squares can always be represented under the form 
of the sum of two squares. 
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= (ac- 
-l) (ac-bd- ad + bc J - 1) 
Cor. (a 2 + 6 2 ) (c 2 + d 2 ) = (ac + bd) z + (ad - Icf, or the pro 
duct may be represented in two different ways, under the 
form of the sum of two squares. 
SECT. V. PROPORTION AND PROGRESSION. 
roportion 4G. In comparing together any two quantities of the 
id Pro- same kind in respect of magnitude, we may consider how 
ession. much the one is greater than the other, or else how many 
times the one contains either the whole or some part of the 
other; or, which i.3 the same thing, we may consider either 
what is the difference between the quantities, or what is 
the quotient arising from the division of the one quantity 
by the other : the former of these is called their arithmetical 
ratio, and the latter their geometrical ratio. These deno 
minations, however, have been assumed arbitrarily, and 
have little or no connection with the relations they are 
intended to express. 
I. Arithmetical Proportion and Progression. 
47. When of four quantities the difference between the 
first and second is equal to the difference betAveen the third 
and fourth, the quantities are called arithmetical propor 
tionals. Such, for example, are the numbers 2, 5, 9, 12; 
and, in general, the quantities a, a + d, I, b + d. 
48. The principal property of four arithmetical propor 
tionals is this : If four quantities be arithmetically pro 
portional, the sum of the extreme terms is equal to the 
sum of the means. Let the quantities be a, a + d, b, b + d; 
where d is the difference between the first and second, and 
also between the third and fourth, the sum of the extremes 
is a + b + d, and that of the means a + d + b; so that the 
truth of the proposition is evident. 
49. If a series of quantities be such, that the difference 
between any two adjacent terms is always the same, these 
terms form an arithmetical progression. Thus, the num 
bers 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, &amp;c., form a series in arithmetical pro 
gression, and, in general, such a series may be represented 
thus: 
a, a + d, a + 2d, a + 3d, a + 4cZ, a + 5d, a + Gd, &amp;c., where 
a denotes the first term, and d the common difference. 
By a little attention to this series, wo readily discover 
that it has the following properties : 
1. The last term of the series is equal to the first term, 
together with the common difference taken as often as 
there are terms after the first. Thus, when the number 
of terms is 7, the last term is a + Gd; and so on. Hence 
if denote the last term, n the number of terms, and a and 
d express the first term and common difference, we have 
z = a + (n l)c?. 
2. The sum of the first and last term is equal to the 
sum of any two terms at the same distance from them. 
Thus, suppose the number of terms to be 7, then the last 
term is a + Gd, and the sum of the first and last 2a + Gd; 
but the same is also the sum of the second and last but 
one, of the third and last but two, and so on till we come 
to the middle term, which, because it is equally distant 
from the extremes, must be added to itself. 
3. To find the sum of the series, it is only necessary to 
observe that, if the progression is written down twice, 1 
from the beginning, 2 from the end, the terms of the former 
increase by the same amount as that by which the terms of 
the latter diminish; so that the sum of any two terms which 
stand under each other is always the same, viz., the same 
as the sum of the first and last terms; hence the double 
series converts addition into multiplication; so that if s 
denote the sum of the series, we have 2s = n(a--zJ, and 
n, N 
s = -(a-!-z). 
Ex. The sum of the odd numbers 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, &amp;c., con 
tinued to n terms, is equal to the square of the number of 
terms. For in this case a = 1 , d = 2, z = 1 + (n - 1 ) d = 2n 
m 
1, therefore * = - x 2n = K? . 
2* 
II. Geometrical Proportion and Progression. 
50. When, of four quantities, the quotient arising from 
the division of the first by the second is equal to that 
arising from the division of the third by the fourth, these 
quantities are said to bo in geometrical proportion, or are&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule}}&lt;br&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[GiOBflB-AuouBTDB-FRBDBBiCKJoHH Fahi^ MfUd (after 1841), Lord 
BuBomBflB, 2d but 1st sorr. t. And 1l(*) ; &amp; 18 June 1819, at Fkmnoe ; tL nnm. 
and T.p., 29 May 1848, in Uariey street, aged 27.] 
[EluiBBT-FfTZROT-NwiLLB Fanb, UyUil^ after 1848, Lord Burghxrsii, 
8d bui let uarw. : and h. ; 6. 7 Jan. 1824 ; entered the Anny, 1843, being. Gapi. 
I7th Foot 1847, and, sabaequently, Capt. Soou Fuaileer Quarda. Hew., 17 OcL 1849, 
at Apethorpe, Augu«ta Selina Louiiia, da. and h. of WilJiam Lockb, lODietime of Naplea. 
He d. a.p. and T.p. 22 Jan. 1851, aged 87. Hia widow m., 81 Aug. 18S4, at St Janiea', 
Weatm. (and preTioualy at the llom. Cath. chapel, St. Mary's, Cadogan terrace^ 
Lnigi Garaodolo^ Vvem di Samto Tiodobo [Abfimo f^ which marriage was diaaolved 
at her suit in the Brgliah Court, Not. 1876. She m. thirdly, 19 March 1877, Thomaa 
(Di Gbit), 8th Baboh WaLaniaHaM, and was living 1897.] 
XVIIL 1859. 1£. Francis William HwRT (Fanb), Earl OP Wbt- 
MOBLAMD, Ae., 4th bnt 1st snrr. s. and h. ; 6. 19 Not. 1826, in 
Hill street, Berkeley square ; ed. at Wertm. ; entered the Army, Feb. 1848, aerriDg in 
the Punjaub campaign, 1848 ; was Aide-de-Oamp to the Oct, Gen. of India, 1848, 
reoeiTing the Sikh- war medal ; BiyUd Lobd Bobohbrsh, 1851-59 ; Aide-de-(?kmp 
to Lord Kaglan in Turkey and in the Crimea, 1854-55 ; Ueat. CoL '* C«&gt;ldstream *' 
Teg. of Foot Qnards, 1855-60, receiving the Crimean medal, 1855 ; O.B., 10 July 
1855 ; Aide-de-Camp to the Duke of Cambridge, 1856-60 ; Knight of the Legion of 
Honour, 80 April 1857 ; Knight, 5th daas, of the Medjidie of Turkey, 2 March 1858 ; 
tue. to ike peerage^ as Earl, 16 Oct. 1850 ; retired from the Army with the rank of 
Colonel, 1860. He m., 16 July 1857, at St. Geo. Han. sq., Adelaide Ida, 2d da. of 
liicbard William (Cubzom), 1st Rabl Howb, by bis first wife, Harriet Georgians, da. 
of Robert (Bbodbmbll), 6th Babl or Cardiuait. He cf. 8 Aug. 1891, at 84 Brook 
street, and waa bur, at Apethorpe, aged 65. Will pr. at £3,489 personalty gmsa, 
the net value being but nominal. Hia widow, who waa ft. 12 July 1885, living 1897. 
[Oborgi-NivillJohn Faki, styUd Lord Burghrrsh, Ist 8. and h. 
ap. ; d. 8 Sep. 1858 ; d. v. p. 81 July 1860, at the Marine Hotel, WoHhing.] 
XIX. 1891. IS. Akthokt Mildmat Julian (Fank), Earl op 
Wbstiioblabu and Babon BuBauBBSH [1624], 2d and yst. but only 
sunr. 8. and h. ; 5. 16 Aug. 1859 ; Ujffed Lobd BuBOBBBau from I860 till he me. to 
the peerage, as Earl, 8 Aug. 1891. He «». 28 May 1892, at St. Michaera, Cheater 
square, Sybil Mary, 2d da. of Frauds Robert (St. CiJkiB-BBSKiiiB), 4th Eabl of 
BOBBLTV, by Blanche Adeliaa, da. of Henry Fitibot. She waa b. 20 Aug. 1871. 
[Vrrb Akthony-Francib St. Clair Fanr, styled Lord Burqhbrsh, 
s. and h. ap., b. 15 March 1898.] 
FamUp Ala(e«.-^Tbese. in 1888, consisted of 6,978 aores(^) in Nurthamptonahire, 
and 1,401 in the West Riding of Yorkshire, which last princiiMllv belonged to the 
Countess. Total, 7,874 seres, valued at £11,142 a year. PrineipalSeai.—Apeihorii^e 
House, near Wansford, co. Northampton. 
WESTON. 
%.€,, &quot; Wmton of Naylakd, CO. Suflfolk,&quot; Barouj ( WesUm), cr. 1628 ; 
see '' PORTLAHD &quot; Earldom, er. 1683 ; ex. 1688. 
*.«., &quot; Butler of Wkston, co. Huntingdon,&quot; Ikrony (Butler), cr. 
1678 ; see &quot; Abb4N &quot; Barldom [I.], cr. 1662 ; ex. 1686. 
t.«., &quot;Bui'LBR OF Wbston, CO. Huntingdon,&quot; Harony (Butlei*), cr. 
1692 ; see &quot; Abbam &quot; Earldom [I.], er. 1693 ; ex. 1758. ' 
(•) The.eldest son, Arthur John, waa b. Jan. and d. 29 Aug. 1816. 
(^) The Northamptonshire esUte waa put up for sale 13 Oct 1892 (Walton and 
LeeX It waa sUted to be about 8,500 acres, valued at £10,000 a year, and was 
bought in at £168,000, the mansion with 5,200 acres (rent roil £6,000), being with- 
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SLIGO. 
SLIGO. 
See &quot; Sckdamore ok Bum, co. 8%&gt; m Yiscountcy [I.] (Scmhtmore), 
er. 162S; ex. 171(5. 
Marquessate [I] /. John I'knis (Browxe), Rari. OP A LTAMOXT 
I 1^00 [1 m], Visoopnt Wbstpobt [17881, .'mil Baron Moj.tkaoi.8 op 
' WKSTPORT [ 1 TliOJ. ill the Kingdom of Ireland, s. and )i. of 
Tetfr (BBOWKS), 2tl Earl OF Altamont, fc&lt; [ I J, by Elizabeth, 
da. and h. of Denis Kku.t, Of Lisdutl'e. co. Gal way, was h. ] 1 June 1 7&quot;,0 ; ed. at Eton ; 
ttgled ViscofNT Wf.stport, 1770— 1780: High Sheriff of Mayo, 1779 5 J4-1*, [l]f«t 
that county till he sue. to tin peerage [1.] as above, 28 Dec. 1780, taking his seat, 28 
Nov. 1781 : PC [I.], 1787; el. K.P., 5, ami iust., 11 Aug. 1N00 ■ was a ttrenuaui 
supporter of the Union [I.] ami was, at its consummation, er. 29 Deo. 1800,( a ) MAK- 
QUESS OF SLIGO [1.], being, 1 Jan. 1801, Jli-r. Peek [I.] erne of the 28 first elected. 
He was er. a Peer of the United Kingdom, 20 Feb. 1806, as BAKON MOM'- 
EAGLE OF WKSTl'OMT, co. Mayo. He m. 21 May 1787, at her fatUer'a house, 
Porter's Lodge CO, Hertford, Louisa Catharine, yst. da. and coheir of Uichnrd (Howe', 
1st Earl Howe, by Mary, da. and coheir of Cbivertnu Hartopp. He d. in Grnftun 
street, Piccadilly, 2 Jan. 1809, aged 53, and was bur. in the family vault in Ireland.!'') 
Will pr. 1S00. 'His widow, who was b. !&gt; Dee. 1767, »&gt;. 10 April* 1811, as his second 
wife, the Ht. Hon. Sir William SCOTT, cr. 0817) after her death Baron StoWIU, 
who d. 28 Jan. lS3(i, aged 90. She d. 20 Aug. 1817, at Amsterdam. Will dnt :i Feb. 
1816, pr. 28 Oct. 1817. 
II. 1809. 2. Howe Peter (Browne), Marotess ok Si.icu, h 
[I.], also Baron Monteaole ok Wkstrort [U.K. J, only s. and h ., i. 
18 May 17SS; styled Viscount WeSTEORT till 1800, ami Karl lit Altamont from 
1800 till he sue. to (lie parage, as above, 2 Jan. 1809 ; L. Lieut, of co. Mayo ; K.P.. 
being inv. 21 March 1 S 1 0, at Malta, and inst.,27 May LSI9 ;(') Gov. O'en. of Jamaica. 
1834-35 ; P.C., 1836. He m. I March 1810', at Dublin. Hester Catherine, 1st da. of 
John Thomas (de BrnoH), 13th EaHI ok (,'lanrii ahde [1.], by Eliza, da. of Sir 
Thomas Bi'RKE, Bart. [1.] He d. 20 Jan. 1845, aged 50, at Tunbridgc Wells and was 
bur. at Keusal Green. Will pr. 29 March 1815, under Q 8,000. His widow, !&gt;■ Jan. 
1800, was (and her issue 0]ale is} in rem. to an Earldom of Clanriearde [I.] tr. in lislO 
with that spec. run. She d. 17 Feb. 1878, aged 78, at 10 Manslield street, MarylebOM, 
III. 1845. 3. George John (Browne), Marquess of Suoo [1800], 
Earl ok Altamont [1771], Visa'oi'nt YVkstporT [1708], and Uaiios 
MoNTEAGLE OF Westkort [170S], in the peerage of Ireland, also Baron MonTkagi.R 
of Westport [1800], in that of the United Kingdom, 1st s. and h., 4. 31 Jan. 1820, 
at Westport House, co. Mayo ; sttjltd Earl ok -Altamont till he sue. to the peerage, 
as above, 20 Jan. 1845 ; Hon. Col. of the Sligo militia. He Ht. tirstly 3 May ]SJ7. .it 
All Souls, Maryleboue, Louisa Ellen Frances Augusta Sydney, 2d da. of Percy Clinton 
Sydney (Smythe), Viscount Stranokoud [I.j, by Ellen, da. of Sir Thomas Bcukk, 
(&quot;) See vol. i, p. 208, note &quot; c,'' sub &quot; Avonmore,&quot; for the creations [1.] on tin's day, 
Lecky [I/ht. I8lh century, vol. viii, p. 598], writes that, &quot; In the long list of 
creations and promotions there are nine which were not connected with the Union, 
and among the new l'eers there were doubtless a few who claimed and received 
rewards for acting iu accordance with their genuine convictions. Lord Altamont 
had from the first declared himself in its favour, and the tone of his whole correspon- 
dence with the Government indicates a man of real public spirit, yet he bargained for 
and obtained a Marquessate.&quot; 
( b ) He was one of the largest proprietors and most active magistrates in the 
Province of Ulster. De Qnincy, in 1800, speaks of him as &quot; a very fat man anil so 
lame that he is obliged to have two servants to support him whenever he stirs.&quot; 
( c ) He was convicted, 16 Dec. 1812, at the Old Bailey of having seduced a seaman 
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TIME — TOLLEMACHE. 
TIRIE. 
i.e., &quot; Inverary, Mull, Morven and Tiiue &quot; Barony [S.] {Campbell), 
cr. 1701 with the Dukedom of Ahoyll [8.1 which see. 
TITCHFIELD. 
i.e., &quot; WnioTnESLEY of Titciifield, co. Southampton&quot; Barony 
( Wriuthesley), cr. lo l l ; tee &quot; Suutha.muto.n &quot; KarUU.ni, a: 1.'. 17 ; ex. 1007. 
i.e., &quot;Noel of Titchfield, co. Southampton,&quot; Barony (iliW), n: 
10S1 ; see &quot; Gainsuorouqu &quot; Earldom, cr. 10S2 ; ex. 1793. 
i.e., &quot; Titciifield, co. Southampton,&quot; Marquessate {BeMinclt), cr. 
1710 with the Dukedom ok PORTtANDi which see. 
TIVIOT, see Teviut. 
TIVIOTDALE or TliVIOTDALE. 
See &quot; Cumberland and Tiviotdale&quot; Dukedom (Prince of Great Britain 
and Ireland), a: 1799. 
TODDINGTON. 
See &quot;Cheney de Toddington &quot; [co. Beds.], Barony (Cheney), cr. 
1572 ; ex. 1587. 
See &quot; Sudeley of Toddington, co. Gloucester,&quot; Barony (Hanlury- 
Tracy), cr. 1838. 
TOLLEMACHE OF 1IELMINGIIAM. 
Barony. John Tollemaoiie, formerly Hallway, of Peckforton 
1 1876 Castle, co. Chester, and Helmingham HhII, eo. Suffolk, let s. and h. 
of Admiral John Richard Delap Hallway. aflenvarcU TollfmacHB, 
of the same, by Elizabeth, 2d da. and coheir of John (StratfmkiiI, 3d 
Ear I. OP Aleborouuk [L], (winch John Richard, who d. 10 July 1S:;7, aged 05, took 
by royal lie. 4 July 1821, for himself(&quot;) anil his issue, the name of Tultcmachc in lieu 
of his patronymic of I/allida/i), was b. 7 Dec. 180.1 ; was High Sheriff of Cheshire, 
1810; M.P. for South Cheshire, 1841-08, and for West Cheshire, 1808-72, and was 
cr. 17 Jan. 1870,( b ) HAUON TuLLEMACII K UF 11 KUM IM ill AM, co Suffolk. He 
m. firstly, 2 Aug. 1820, his cousin, Georgians Louisa, da. of Thomas Best, by Emily, 
3d and yst. da. anil coheir of John (Stratford), 3d EaBI of AldbORODOB [1.1 above- 
named. She d. 18 July 1840. He M. secondly, 17 Jan. 1850, at Kendlesham Hall, 
co. Suffolk, Minnie, da. of James Duff, by Eliza Charlotte (afterwards Baroness 
Kendlesham [I.]), da. of Sir George Beeston Prescott, 2d Hart. He d. 9 Dee. 1890, 
(&quot;) He was s. and h. of John Delap Halliday, of the Leasowes, co. Salop, by Jane, 
2d and yst. sister and coheir of Wilbraham (Tollemache), Earl of Dysart [S.], whose 
elder sister (the heir of line), became 1821, mo jure Countess of Dysart [S.J, beiug 
ancestress of the succeeding Earls. 
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POET-EYNON. 
session it came through the Savages and Do Courcys. 
The ruins of the ancient castle form an. interesting ob- 
ject at Portaferry demesne. The town was attacked by 
the rebels in 1798. There are police and coastguard 
stations, and petty sessions are held in the town. The 
coasting trade is considerable. Saturday is market day. 
Fairs are held on 1st January and 13th February, and 
on the first Tuesdays after 12th May and 13th No- 
vember. 
POET-ALLAN, a creek on Wigtown Bay, co. &quot;Wig- 
town, Scotland, 2 miles E. of Whithorn. 
POET-ALLAN, a creek on the Frith of Tay, in the 
par. of Errol, co. Perth, Scotland, 6 miles E. of Perth. 
PORTAELINGTON, a post and market town and 
parliamentary borough, partly in the par. of Clony- 
hurk, bar. of Upper Philipstown, King's County, and 
partly in the par. of Lea, bar. of Portnahinch, prov. 
of Leinster, Ireland, 10 miles S.S.E. of Philipstown, 
and 44 from Dublin. It is a station on the Great 
Southern and Western railway. It is situated on the 
banks of the river Barrow, near a branch of the Grand 
canal, and the road from Dublin to Birr. The main 
street terminates in a square, with several oth_er streets 
diverging from various points. The principal buildings 
are the market-house, the two churches, a Eoraan 
Catholic chapel, schools, a savings-bank, loan, and a 
dispensary. The river is spanned by two bridges. 
The late Duke of Wellington, and his brother, the Mar- 
quia.of Wellesley, were educated in this town. There 
are manufactories of tobacco, leather, soap, and candles, 
hut the general trade is limited. It sends one member 
to parliament, and had two representatives before the 
Union. It is governed under a charter, granted by 
Charles II. to Lord Arlington, under its ancient name 
Coltodry. It was afterwards purchased by Sir P. Trant, 
and having again reverted to the crown, was granted to 
General Eouvigny by Willliam III. Under its new 
proprietor it became the home of numerous French and 
Flemish Protestants. The Dawson family of Emo take 
the title of earl from this town. Wednesday and Satur- 
day are market days. Fairs are held on 5th January, 
1st March, Easter -Monday, 22nd May, 4th July, 1st 
September, 12th October, and 23rd November. 
PORT-ASKAIG, a creek on the Sound of Islay, co. 
Argyll, Scotland. It is situated under a range of hills 
on the N.E. side of the Isle of Islay, and has a ferry to 
Jura. 
POETAVENTA, an inlet in the par. of Ardnamur- 
chan, co. Inverness, Scotland, situated near the coast. 
POET BANNATYNE, a vil. in the par. of Eothesay, 
co. Bute, Scotland, 2 miles N. of Eothesay. It is situ- 
ated near Kames Bay and castle. The inhabitants are 
chiefly engaged in the fisheries. 
POETBUEY, a hund. in the co. of Somerset, con- 
tains the par. of Abbots Leigh, Bourton, Clapton, Clevo- 
don, Easton-in-Gordano, Nailsea, Portbury, Portishead, 
Tickenham, Walton, Weston-in-Gordano, and Wraxall, 
Comprising an area of 23,980 acres. 
POETBUEY, a par. in the above hund., co. Somer- 
set, 7 miles N.W. of Bristol, its post town. It is situ- 
ated under the hills near Wansdyke, at a short distance 
S. of the navigable river Avon. The par. contains Gas- 
well, Hamgreen, and 1 1 other ty thgs. The village, which 
is small, and wholly agricultural, is intersected by the 
road between Bristol and Portishead. An Act for the 
construction of a pier, with approaches, was obtained 
in 1841. Stone is quarried for road-making, and for 
building purposes. The living is a vie. in the dioc. of 
Bath and Wells, val. .400, in the patron, of the Bishop 
of Worcester. The church, dedicated to St. Mary, is 
an ancient structure, with a tower containing five bells. 
The church has some niches. In the churchyard are 
two trees, one of which measures 19 feet in diameter. 
The parochial charities produce about 12 per annum. 
There is a parochial school for both sexes ; also an infant 
school, in which a Sunday-school is held. Portbury was 
formerly a British or Koman station on the road to 
Portishead, whence was a passage to Caerleon, called 
by the Eoinans Ism Silurum. There was also an Austin 
cell to Bromere Priory, of which there are still traces. 
In the vicinity Eomau coins, remains of buildings, and 
other antiquities, have been discovered. Sir William 
Abdy, Bart., is lord of the manor and sole landowner. 
POET-CAELISLE, a creek at the mouth of the river 
Eden, co. Cumberland, 5 miles N.W. of Carlisle. It is 
a station on the Carlisle and Silloth and Port-Carlisle 
branch of the North British railway. 
POETCASSEGG, a hmlt. in the par. of St. Arvans, 
upper div. of Eagland hund., co. Monmouth, 3 miles 
N.W. of Chepstow. It is situated near the river Wye. 
PORT-CHAELOTTE, a vil. in the par. of Kilcho- 
man-in-Islay, co. Argyll, Scotland, 15 miles S.W. of 
Port-Askaig. It is situated on Loch Indal. There is 
a distillery. The Independents have a chapel. 
POET CLAEENCE, a hmlt. in the par. of Billing- 
ham, ward of Stockton, co. Durham, 4 miles N. by E. 
of Stockton. It is a station on the West Hartlepool 
railway. 
POET-COON, a creek on the coast of co. Antrim, 
Ireland, 1 mile S.W. of the Giant's Causeway. It is 
celebrated for an extensive sea cavern in the basaltic 
rock above 300 feet in length. 
POET-CEOMMELLIN, a creek in the bar. of Lower 
Glenarm, coast of co. Antrim, Ireland. It is situated 
in Cushendall Bay, about 33 miles N. of Belfast. 
POETDIANA, a vil. in the par. of Agherton, within 
the lib. of Coleraine, co. Londonderry, prov. of Ulster, 
Ireland, near Coleraine. 
PORT-DINOEWIG, a small harbour in the par. of 
Llanfairis-Gaer, co. Carnarvon, 2 miles N.E. of Car- 
narvon. It is a station on the Bangor and Carnarvon 
branch of the Chester and Holyhead railway. It is 
situated in the Menai Straits, and has a small pier, 
where slates are shipped from the neighbouring quarries. 
POET-DOWNIE, a hmlt. in the par. of Falkirk, co. 
Stirling, Scotland, 2 miles W. of Falkirk. It is situated 
at the junction of the Union with the Forth of Clyde 
canals. 
POET-DUNDAS, a vil. in the city of Glasgow, co. 
Lanark, Scotland. It is situated on the Clyde, at the 
end of the Forth, and Clyde, and Monkland canals. It 
was named after Lord Dundas. 
POETEASIE, a vil. in the par. of Eathven, co. Banff, 
Scotland, 4 miles S.W. of Cullen, and 2 E. of Buckle. 
It was founded in 1727. The inhabitants are chiefly 
engaged in the fisheries. 
POET-EAST, or CHAPEL POINT, a hmlt. in the 
par. of Gorran, co. Cornwall, 8 miles S. of St. Austell. 
There was formerly a chapel, now in ruins. 
POET-EDGAE, a creek on the Frith of Forth, co. 
Linlithgow, Scotland, 1 mile W. of Queensferry. 
POET-ELLEN, or POET-ELLINOE, a vil. in the 
par. of Kildalton-iu-Islay, co. Argyll, Scotland, 1 1 miles 
S.E. of Bowmore. It is situated opposite the island of 
Gigha, near Mull of Islay. It has a quay, constructed 
in 1826, and improved in 1832. The harbour has a fixed 
light, erected in 1833, and seen at a distance of 11 miles. 
Fishing and agriculture are the chief employments of the 
inhabitants. There is a distillery. 
POET ELLIOT, the seat of the Earl of St. Germans, 
in the par. of St. Germans, hund. of East, co. Cornwall, 
1 mile from St. Germans, and 18 miles S. of Launceston. 
It is situated on the river Tidi, near Lynher creek, and in- 
cludes part of the old priory founded by King Athelstan. 
In the mansion are preserved &quot; Bel and the Dragon,&quot; by 
Eembrandt, also portraits of Locke, Hampden, Eubens, 
and several of the Elliots by Eeynolds. 
POET ELPHINSTONE, a vil. in the par. of Kintore 
and district of Garioch, co. Aberdeen, Scotland, 4 miles 
S. of Inverury. 
POET-EEIN, or POET-IEON, a vil. on a bay of the 
same name, Isle of Man, 2 miles N. of Spanish Head. 
POET-EEIN, or FORTRAN, an ancient par. in the 
co. of Eoscommon, Scotland, now joined to Eoscommon. 
POETEVAD, a small harbour in Ballysadere Bay, 
co. Sligo, Ireland, 4 miles N. by W. of Ballyeadere. 
It is a coastguard station. 
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244 
POTING-WITH-WINSEBINGS. 
John Wallop in 1743, and the same family still holds 
it, though under the name of Fellowes, which -was 
assumed by the late earl in 1853. The London, Brigh- 
ton, and South Coast, the Mid-Sussex, the London and 
South- Western, and the London direct railways, all 
run into Portsmouth, using the same station at Land- 
port as their terminus. Steamers ply from Portsmouth 
to the Isle of Wight, Plymouth, Southampton, London, 
and Dublin. Portsmouth is connected with Gosport 
by a floating steam-bridge, which crosses the harbour 
every half hour. Markets are held on Tuesday, Thurs- 
day, and Saturday. A fair, called the Free Mart, was 
formerly held from the 10th to the 24th July, in the 
High-street, but it was abolished in 1848. A regatta is 
held in J uly or August. 
POETSOY, a quoad sacra par., seaport, and burgh of 
baronv in the par. of Fordyce, co. Banff, Scotland, 5 
miles W. of Banff, and 171 N. of Edinburgh. It is a 
station on the Banffshire branch of the Great North of 
Scotland railway. It is a considerable trading and 
fishing village, eituato at the bottom of a bay of the 
same name, on the Moray Frith. It became a burgh of 
barony under the Grants, and is governed by a bailie. 
Part of the inhabitants are engaged in the coasting- 
trade, and there is a manufacture of thread. The 
village, which has a population of near 2,000, contains 
a post-office, two commercial branch banks, and several 
schools. There are quarries of a species of jasper, 
called Portsoy marble, also of a flesh-coloured granite, 
which contains a scarce variety of felspar, equal in 
brilliancy to the Labrador spar. Asbestos, rock cork, 
soapstone, puddingstone, graphite, lime crystals, and 
many other minerals are found. The par. is in the 
presb. of Fordyce and synod of Aberdeen. The minister 
has a stipend of 120. There is a school, supported by 
the Society for the Propagation of Christian Knowledge, 
also two other schools, one of which is partially en- 
dowed. A regular weekly market is held here. 
PORTSTEWART, a post-office vil. in the par. of 
Agherton, within the libs, of Coleraine, co. London- 
derry, prov. of Ulster, Ireland, 4 miles N.N.W. of 
Coleraine. It is a station on the Belfast and N orthern 
Counties railway. It is situated at the mouth of the 
river Bann, and is a bathing-place and fishing station. 
The parish church is situated in the village. 
POKTSWOOD AND HIGHFIELD, a tythg. in the 
par. of South Stoneham, borough of Southampton, co. 
Hants, 2 miles N.E. of Southampton, its post town, 
and of which it is a suburb. It is a station on the 
London and South-Western railway. It is an in- 
creasing and flourishing district. There are many villas 
in the neighbourhood. The living is a perpet. cur. * in 
the dioc. of Winchester, val. 270, in the patron, of the 
bishop. Christ Church has a spired tower containing 
two bells. It was erected in 1847, at an outlay of 
4,000, and a further sum of 1,000 was expended in 
1856 upon its enlargement. There is a National school 
for both sexes, erected in 1848, which has since been 
enlarged. The Independents have a place of worship 
at Highfield, and the Baptists one at Bevois Hill. 
POETUMNA, a small post and market town in the 
par. of Lickmolassey, bar. of Longford, co. Galway, 
prov. of Connaught, Ireland, 39 miles S.E. of Galway, 
and 112 from Dublin. It is situated near the head of 
Lough Derg, on the river Shannon. Not many years 
ago this spot was an assemblage of wretched dwellings, 
but is now an improving place, containing a church, a 
Eoman Catholic chapel, a brewery, mills, &amp;c. The 
corn trade is briskly carried on. There is a chief police 
station, and petty sessions are held at intervals. There 
are still some remains of a friary, which was founded 
here in the 15th century, also ruins of De Burgh's 
Gustlo, in which a council was held by the Earl of 
'Strafford in 1634. The Marquis of Clanricarde is the 
proprietor of the town through the Mortimer and De 
Burgh families, who held it by grant of Henry III. 
Saturday is market day. Fairs are held on 15th 
February, 6th May, 15th August, 17th October, and 
loth November. 
POETUBLIN, a creek on the coast of co. Mayo, 
Ireland, near Beuwee Head. It is a coastguard station. 
PORTWOOD, a ward in the par. of Stockport, hund. 
of Macclesfield and borough of Stockport, co. Chester, 
2 miles from Stockport. It is situated on the river 
Mersey. The living is a perpet. cur. in the dioc. of 
Chester, val. 150, in the patron, of the crown and 
bishop alternately. 
PORTYAEBOCK, a creek between Wigtown and 
Luce bays, co. Wigtown, Scotland, near Barrow Head. 
POSBUEY, a chplry. in the par. and hund. of Cre- 
diton, co. Devon, 9 miles N.W. of Exeter, and 2 from 
Creditou. It is situated in a hollow near the river 
Creedy. The living is a perpet. cur. in the dioc. of 
Exeter. The church is dedicated to St. Luke. 
POSENHALL, an ext. par. place in the borough of 
Wenlock, co. Salop, 1 mile S.W. of Broseley. 
POSLINGFORD, a par. in the hund. of Eisbridge, 
co. Suffolk, 2 miles N.E. of Clare, its post town. The 
village, which is of small extent, is situated on a branch 
of the river Stour, and is wholly agricultural. In the 
neighbourhood are the ruins known as Chipley Abbey, 
now converted into a farm dwelling. The living is a 
vie.* in the dioc. of Ely, val. 100. The church was 
reseated in 1852, and has been lately restored. The 
parochial charities produce about 20 per annum. S. 
Wear, Esq., is lord of the manor. 
POSTCOMBE, a chplry. in the par. and hund. of 
Lewknor, co. Oxford, 2 miles S.E. of Tetsworth. 
POSTEEN, a tnshp. in the par. of Duffield, hund. of 
Appletree, co. Derby, 4 miles N. of Derby. It is joined 
with Shottle to form a township. 
POSTLING, a par. in the hund. of Hayne, lathe of 
Shepway, co. Kent, 4 miles N.W. of Hythe, its post 
town, and 2 N.W. of Westeuhanger railway station. 
The village, which is of small extent, is situated at the 
foot of the chalk hills, near the South-Eastern railway, 
and is wholly agricultural. The living is a vie.* in the 
dioc. of Canterbury, val. 246, in the patron -of the arch- 
bishop. The church, dedicated to SS. Mary and Ehade- 
gund, is an ancient edifice with a spired tower contain- 
ing three bells. It is situated in a low and swampy 
spot, and has recently undergone extensive repairs. 
The living was once held by the father of Basil Kennet, 
author of &quot; Eoman Antiquities,&quot; who was born here in 
1674. The East Kent hounds meet at Postling Lees. 
William Deedes, Esq., of Saltwood, is lord of the manor 
and principal landowner. 
POSTLIP, a hmlt. in the par. of Winchcomb, co. 
Gloucester, 2 miles S.W. of Winchcomb. It is situated 
under Cleeve Down, in the Cotswolds. 
POSTON, LO WEE, a tnshp. in the par. of Munslow, 
co. Salop, 5 miles N.E. of Ludlow. 
POSTWICK, a par. in the hund. of Blofield, co. 
Norfolk, 4 miles S.E. of Norwich, its post town, and 
2 W. of the Brundall railway station. The village, 
which is of small extent, is situated in a dale near the 
river Yare, or Wensum, which is navigable from Nor- 
wich to Yarmouth. The parish, which is wholly agri- 
cultural, is intersected by the road to Norwich, and by 
the line of the Yarmouth railway. There is a consi- 
derable extent of marsh. The tithes have been com- 
muted for a rent-charge of 475, and the glebe comprises 
46 acres. The living is a rect.* in the dioc. of Norwich, 
val. 561. The church, dedicated to All Saints, is an 
ancient structure, with a lofty square tower. The regis- 
ter dates from 1570. The parochial charities produce 
about 16 per annum. The Earl of Eosebery is lord of 
the manor, and, with the exception of the detached 
marshes near Yarmouth, is owner of all the soil. 
POTCOTE, a hmlt. in the pars, of Green's Norton 
and Cold Higham, co. Northampton, 3 miles H.W. of 
Towcester. 
POTHEEIDGE, a hmlt. in the par. and hund. of 
Black Torrington, co. Devon, 2 miles W. of Hather- 
leigh. It is situated in the vale of the river Torridge, 
which rises near the Tamar's head. General Monk was 
born here in 1608. 
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Pun- CW“!- Acm. 11:91. 031$. Pun- Countl- fz’r’; 1,13. 111311.11.
Smnford-in-Vale, p... Berks 8.829 1,211 122 2,249 520 93 ‘
Smnhoe, 11.... Norfolk 1.489 408 244 1,300 85 164
Stanhope, p. Durham 51,870 9,854 544 Steep. p..... Hams-Sm. 5,259 903 112
Stanton. p. Nonhmp. 1,850 851 112 Sleeping, Great, p. . 1,124 334 430
Stanley, tna. ecl.-d. Derby ... 534 444 Steeping, Little, p. 1,490 826 430
Stanley. ecl.-d.... York  2,924 503 Steeple,  3,362 262 273
Stanley. King’s, p.  Gloucoa. 1,679 2,038 Steeple, p.  8,434 559 202
Stanley, St. Leonard, Gloucel. 1,010 864 888 Steeple Claydon, p. . 8,270 946 154
Stanley-Pontlnrge, p.  Gloucel 980 57 843 Steeple Gidding, p. . 1,091 118 176
Stanley-with-Wmnthome, fnp. York 4,345 8,237 503 Steeple 1.3310111, p. 3,941 828 265
Stanmer, p ............. ..  Sussex 1,346 147 84 Steeple Mo on, p. . 8,767 913 J40
Stnnmore, Great, p. Mddlx. 1,441 1,818 185 Staeploton-Iworne. p. . 773 59 270
Stonmore, Little, p. Md 1,552 891 185 Stsetoa-with-Eastbum, tns. 2,043 1,341 494
sunningﬂeld. p. .  Suﬁ-01k 1,455 851 214 Stella, St. Clthbert, ecl.-d Durham  8,751 Bf-l
Stanningtnn, p.....  Northmb 10.093 1.058 554 atoning, p ...... .. Kent 1,325 809 '13
stannington, Christcll., ec1.-d. York  2,909 506 stalling mnnis, p. Kent 90 B2 78
stansﬂeld. p.   Suﬂolk 1,959 549 211 Sunhommuir, v, Stirling  1,399 ‘
Stansﬂeld, ms. . . . York 5,920 8,174 495 sunlgot, p ..... .. Lincoln 1,821 96 481
stsnstead, p.. . . Kent 1.956 408 as stem“. “a m, p. . 0rk.-shet.  1,493
Slammed. 1).-  Suﬂolk 1.162 882 212 Stanton, . ........... .. middling. 1.100 092
atansteatl Abbots. p.  Hem 2,594 980 188 Stephen- n-Branuel, St., p Cornwall 9,002 3,045 806
Stanstead, Cllriatchurch,ecl.-d. SUSSEX  817 94 Stephen-by-Saltaah, SL, p. Cornwall 6,901 3. 303
stanatend, St. Mama-8t. p .... .. Hem 890 93 me amphenvm St , p, , Herta 8,140 1,786 144
Stnnsted Mounmtchet, p.  Essex 4,193 1,109 139 Stephen, 51., p, _ Cornwall ,905 873 301
Stanaty. tns. . .. Denblsh 565 .410 011 Stepnoy . ....... .. Mddlx. 812 98,838 24:
Stanton, tm. . Derby  718 449 Stepney, St. Philip, ec Mddlx.  14,805 8411
Stanton. 1:.- Gloucel- 1.650 280 848 Stopney, Trinity, ecl.-d. Mddlx.  10,415 84b
Stanton, Northmb. 2,254 112 558 Steppinnlay, p. . Beds 1,080 365 181
Stanton, Ina Statt‘ord  408 447 stemtleld, p. . Suffolk 1,105 208 824
Stanton, p.. Suﬁblk 8,254 1,045 214 stetch'orm, Comb. 2,624 671 189
Stanton-upon , . Hereford 2,925 331 603 maven“, p_ Hens 4,434 2,852 141
Stanton-under-Bnrdon, 1161006-  312 418 Ayr 4,289 5,459
Stanton St. Bernard, p Wllta 1,979 358 256 Beds 1,950 806 179
Stanton-by-Brldge, 11. Derby 1,770 135 444 Berk: 3,362 886 123
stantm-by-Dnlo, p. Derby 1.412 ‘99 “4 Hum 2,100 167 118
Stanton Drow, p. . 801nth 2,075 523 325 Ayl' 13,668 4,449
Stanton Filzwxu're , lets 1,391 205 250 Tyrone 81 1,041
Stanton St. anriel, p. Dorset 1,242 15 218 Buckl 4,830 1,453 152
Stanton HarL‘OIIﬂ, p... 01011 8,120 661 161 Lincoln 971 73 481
Stanton-on-Hineheaﬂr, p. Salon 5.560 648 Stayning, p. Sussex 3,363 1,1120 86
Stanton St. John, p.. 0x011 3,290 518 151 Steynton, p. . Pemb. 7,275 8,710 592
Stanton Lucy. p. . Salon 7,815 1,598 1159 subbm, p..._ Norfolk 1,468 451 243
Stanton. Lonnpn Salon 1,831 234 856 Stibbington, p. . Hum- l.-&quot;30 721 431
Stanton and Newh Derby  2,413 375 Stichen, p,_ Roxburgh 2,803 845
Stanton Prior, 1). ..... .. Soyneraet 841 188 827 Stickfm-d, p. . Lincoln 670 857 480
Stanton St. Quintin, p. Wl_lt8 1,820 338 258 sum“... p_ _ Loulh 1,362 258
Stanton, Stoney, p . Lelcea. 1,750 108 413 Sticlmoy, p. Lincoln 4,220 851 480
Stanton-on-Wolds. p. .  Notta 1,220 153 “3 sag-key, p,_ Norfolk 3,912 513 243
Stantonbury with New Bmd- } Buck. 1 07 3 Stiﬁ'ord, p. . Essex 1,002 281 198
well, och—d.   .2 15 Sﬁmmhet, P. ' York 6,022 064 515
Stanwny, p. _ Essex 3,368 964 205 Stillington, p. York. 2,013 135 521
Stnnwny, p.   Glouces. 3,890 878 843 Stillorgnn,p.. Dubhn 1,535
Stanwny, All Stunts, eol.-d.  Essex  513 204 5mm&quot;, p,  Hunts 1,820 124 11’
Slanwell, p.   Mddlx. 8,963 1,714 1.22 Stinchcombe, p. Gloucel. 1.464 340 333
Stanwick, p.  Nonhmp. 1,880 689 178 Stinsford, p. . Dorset 1,999 857 21’
Stanwick, St. John, p. York 8,045 768 539 stir-cm”, p. , Sump 8 810 858
S'BnWiX-  cumbz “.153 2.358 1563 8111111110, tn.-p. M. f 55111118 2.925 10,271
Stnpeiey. tns. Cheshire 1.198 518 458 Stiated. p. ........... .. Essex 2,967 821 208
Stnpenhill. 12.. Derby 4.620 3.011 875 Sﬁtchcll and Hume, 1). Raw 2.803 845
Staple Fitzpaine. p. Somerset 2,864 284 815 Stithian‘s, Corn 4,291 2,358 810
Staple-by-Wingham, p.  Kent 1,000 520 71 Stivi p Warwick 800 72 403
Stapleﬂeld, St. Mark, ecl.-d.... Sussex  798 38 Sﬁmu] Lincoln 2,250 289 429
Staplefnrd, p.. .. Comb. 1,400 ‘55 we, 3mm. 1,, _ Poebles 10.878 478
Staplet'ord, p.. 1,319 826 142 Stock,  Essex 1.849 651 200
Stapleford. p.. 8.960 109 418 Stock and Bradley, ch. . Worces 1,142 810 all
Stuplel'ord, p.. 2,930 204 442 Stock Gayhnd. 1).... Dorset 849 50 209
Stapleford. 11-- 1.450 1,129 444 Stockbridge, p.411. 11... Is 1.115 935 106
Staplel'nrd, p.. 2,015 260 285 way, ........... .. Kent 2,940 813 59
stapleford-Abbou, 1:- 2,331 502 190 Stockcmn, gt. John, ec1.-r1. Berks  815 120
Stapleford-‘l‘awney, p. Ibex 1,033 278 195 Stacker-.1011, p. _____ ,. Lewes. 978 50 4.20
Staplegrove, p. . Somerset 1,059 490 315 Stocking Pelham, . 118m 629 12a 19
Staplehunt, p. . Kent 5.131 1,895 58 Stockingrord, 6.1-3. Warwick  1,810 198
Stapleton, p. . CImIb- 11.835 984 567 Stockland, p ...... .. Devon 7,558 1,123 279
Stapleton. p. . Glouc. 2,551 5,355 no stocklnnd 31-15101, p. Somerset 1.650 142 816
Stapleton, p 38101) 1,836 281 859 Stockletgh 1211211511, p.. Devon 1,110 114 292
Y0&quot; 4.953 152 540 Stockleigll Pomeroy, p. . Devon 1,239 138 292
Devon .. 1,192 231 Btocldinch Magdalen, p. somerset 1 116 818
Norfolk 2.244 481 239 Btocldincll Ottomy p Somctaot 09 818
York 8.060 501 54a stockport, 11.. Chestnut 21,515 98,005 452
Statllern, p. . .. Lewes. 1,420 524 51a SrocxPORT, . Che-Lane.  54,681 452
Sta-Iahton. Gr 1). Hunts 5.940 1,312 118 St. Matthew, no a. Chealnre  5.535 ‘59
Slaughmn. Little. 1)- Bed! 1.660 512 178 St. Peter, ocl.-d Cheshire  4.455 452
Staunton,p.... Glouoeo. 1,517 202 577 st, Thomas, ecl. . . Cheshu'e  12,610 452
Shillnton. 11- - N0“! 2.315 Nil 442 amen-1011, tn. u &amp;. P Durham  13.357 N16
Stsunton, p. . Worces- 1,447 507 835 Stockton, p. . Norfolk 1,051 129 238
staunton-on-Wye, p. . e75 349 Stockton, p, Snlop . 3,169 490 857
Staveley, p.... 7,513 “a Stockton, p, , Warwmk 1,800 548 407
Staveley, tn. . 2,400 448 Stockton, p. . Will! 2,000 288 280
Staveley, 1115. 409 as steam, ,_ Women. 893 129 880
granary.  :3: 492a Btockton-on—Fores . 1131.10 .. York 9,210 449 515
EVE 9y. 0 er 575 Stockton 1:188. St. mas -
smverton. p-  949 234 och-d. .....  ....... ..  Chm“  &quot;m ‘55
Starerton, p. . 315 344 Stocktonereu, p. _ .. Durham 5,160 13,761 54111
Staverton, p..... 486 180 Stockwell, St. Michael, ec -d. Syney  1,265 31
Stuverton, eel-41.. 580 251 Stockwith, E, St. Peter, $1.41. Lrncoln  878 43-1
Smwley. 1).... 188 814 Stockwith, Welt, 1115.  .. Nous .. 538 434
Stuton, tns.. m 525 Stockwood,  Dorset 092 80 278
Starla. m. 8,187 414 s , p. Kant 695 145 84
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under Sedgwick and a battery under Kirby, at
what later became known as Sumner’s Upper
Bridge, and at about 5 o’clock, after being delayed by the rough and muddy roads, reached the
vicinity of the Fair Oaks station, just in time to
intercept and force back Whiting’s division (from
the Confederate left, where G. W. Smith was in
command), then on its way to reinforce Longstreet. In this part of the field some of the most
stubborn fighting of the day occurred, and it was
here about 7 P. M. that General Johnston was
severely wounded, whereupon General Smith took
command of the Confederate army. Early on the
following day Longstreet again attacked the
Federal left, which had been reinforced by way
of Sumner’s Lower Bridge, by Richardson’s
division of Sumner’s corps, but he was repulsed
and forced back for some distance. At 2 o’clock
in the afternoon Gen. R. E. Lee, who had just
arrived on the field of battle, superseded Smith
in command of the Confederate army, and on
the night of the 2d the army was withdrawn
to the immediate neighborhood of Richmond.
General McClellan did not appear on the field
of battle until about noon on the 1st. The
loss of the Federals in killed, wounded, and
missing was about 5000, that of the Confederates
about 5200. Consult the ''Official Records'', vol. xi.,
parts i. and iii.; Johnson and Buel (ed.), ''Battles and Leaders of the Civil War'' (New York,
1887); Ropes, ''Story of the Civil War'', vol. ii.
(ib., 1898); Michie, ''General McClellan'' (ib.,
1901), in the “Great Commanders Series;” Webb,
''The Peninsula'' (ib., 1881), in the “Campaigns of the Civil War Series;” Johnston, ''Narrative of Military Operations'' (ib., 1874); Hughes, ''General Johnston'' (ib., 1893), in the “Great Commanders
Series;” McClellan, ''McClellan’s Own Story'' (ib.,
1887); and Longstreet, ''From Manassas to Appomattox'' (Philadelphia, 1896).

&lt;section end=&quot;Seven Pines&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seven Sages, The&quot; /&gt;'''SEVEN SAGES,''' {{sc|The}}. A collective designation of a number of Greek sages who lived between {{asc|B.C.}} 620 and 550. They were rulers, law-givers, or counselors, distinguished for their
practical wisdom, and were believed to be the
authors of brief aphorisms expressing the results
of their moral and social experiences. There was
no unanimity among the ancients with regard to
the names, the number, or the sayings of these
famous sages.
The number seven is as old as
Pindar, but the earliest list of the seven is given
in Plato’s ''Protagoras'' (343 p.a.). Those usually included in the number are Solon, the famous
law-giver of Athens; Thales of Miletus, the philosopher; Pittacus of Mitylene, the deliverer and
magistrate of his native city; Bias of Priene;
Chilon of Sparta; Cleobulus, tyrant of Lindus;
and Periander, tyrant of Corinth. The sayings
attributed to them were first collected by Demetrius of Phalerum. Various collections of the
excerpts have been preserved to us by Stobæus
(Floril. 3, 79) and others. On the different
names of the sages, consult: Bohren, ''De Septem Sapientibus'' (Bonn, 1867); and Wulf, ''De Fabellis cum Collegii Septem Sapientium Memoria Conjunctis Quæstiones Criticæ'' (Halle,
1896). A Greek collection of these aphorisms in
iambics was published by Wölfflin in the ''Proceedings'' of the Bavarian Academy (1886), and there
are two Latin collections by Brunco (Bayreuth,
1885).

&lt;section end=&quot;Seven Sages, The&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seven Sleepers, The&quot; /&gt;'''SEVEN SLEEPERS,''' {{sc|The}}. The heroes of a
celebrated legend, which exists in several Syriac
versions, the earliest being that of Jacob of Sarug
(451–521). As given in the Latin version by
Gregory of Tours they were seven Christians
(brothers) of Ephesus, who, during the persecution of Decius in 250, took refuge in a cave
near the city. Their retreat was discovered and
the entrance walled up. A miracle, however, was
interposed in their behalf, and they fell into a
preternatural sleep. Two hundred years later,
near the end of the reign of Theodosius II. (408–450), the cave was accidentally opened, and the
sleepers awoke. They supposed they had slept
for but a single night, and when one of
their number went to the city stealthily to purchase provisions he was amazed to find his coin
no longer current, and the Christian religion honored and accepted by rulers and people. When
the wonderful history became known the sleepers
were conducted in triumphant procession into the
city, but they all died at the same moment. They
are honored as saints by the Western and Eastern churches; in the former their day is July
27th, in the Greek Church August 2d or 4th, and
with the Maronites March 7th. They are also
honored by the Mohammedans, their story being
found in the Koran (xviii. 8–24). Consult: Koch,
''Die Siebenschläferlegende'' (Leipzig, 1883); Baring-Gould, ''Curious Myths of the Middle Ages''(London, 1881).

&lt;section end=&quot;Seven Sleepers, The&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seventeen-year Locust&quot; /&gt;'''SEVENTEEN-YEAR LOCUST.''' See {{NIE article link|Cicada}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Seventeen-year Locust&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seventh&quot; /&gt;'''SEVENTH.''' See {{NIE article link|Interval}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Seventh&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seventh Day Adventists&quot; /&gt;'''SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS.''' See {{NIE article link|Adventists}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Seventh Day Adventists&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seventh Day Baptists&quot; /&gt;'''SEVENTH DAY BAPTISTS.''' See {{NIE article link|Baptists, Seventh Day}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Seventh Day Baptists&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Seven Weeks’ War&quot; /&gt;'''SEVEN WEEKS’ WAR.''' The name given to
the brief war in 1866 between Prussia and Italy on
the one side and Austria and her German allies
on the other. Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden, Saxony, Hesse, Hesse-Cassel, Hanover, and Nassau
were on the side of Austria. The war was the
culmination of Bismarck’s plan for forcing Austria
out of the German Confederation and making way
for a new Germany under Prussian leadership.
For an account of the preliminary events which
led up to the struggle, see {{NIE article link|Bismarck|Bismarck-Schönhausen, Karl Otto Eduard Leopold von}}; {{NIE article link|Germany}};
{{NIE article link|Prussia}}; and {{NIE article link|Schleswig-Holstein}}.

On April 8, 1866, Prussia had concluded a
secret alliance with Italy, and the issue of a
federal execution by the Diet against Prussia on
June 14th was followed by the declaration of war
against Austria, Saxony, Hanover, and HesseCassel. The invasion of Bohemia was immediately begun. The central (First) Prussian
army, under Prince {{NIE lkpl|Frederick Charles|Frederick Charles}} (q.v.),
entered from Eastern Saxony, crossing the
frontier range of the Erzgebirge toward Reichenberg; the western or Elbe (Third) army,
under General Herwarth von Bittenfeld, started
from Dresden, and entered Bohemia by Neustadt
and Schluckenau; while the eastern or Silesian
(Second) army, under the Crown Prince, Frederick William (later the German Emperor {{NIE lkpl|Frederick III. (German Emperor)|Frederick III.}}) (q.v.), entered Bohemia from Silesia
by the Trautenau and Nachod passes. As the
Austrians expected the attack from Silesia, by
far the greater portion of their army was {{hws|sta|stationed}}&lt;section end=&quot;Seven Weeks’ War&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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tury, rebuilt in the eighteenth and restored in 
1892; the Riddarholms Kyrka, a Gothic struc- 
ture with a jjerforated iron spire 290 feet liigh, and 
tlie burial place of Swedish kings: the Tyska 
Kyrka {German Church), a German Renaissance 
building of the seventeenth century; and the con- 
spicuous Katarina Kyrka crowning the heights 
of Sodermalm. The royal palace, on the north- 
eastern corner of the Stadsholm, was begun in 
1697 in the Italian Renaissance style, and is a 
large and beautiful rectangular building with 
four wings inclosing a quadrangle. At the west- 
ern end of the island stands the Riddarhus 
(knight's house), containing portraits and armo- 
rial bearings of Swedish nobles. Noteworthy also 
are the new opera house, finished in 1898; the 
handsome Renaissance building of the National 
Museum, built in 1850-G6, opposite the royal 
palace on the Blasieholm ; and the large and im- 
posing new building of the Northern Museum, 
begun in 1808, in the Djurgard. 
Although Stockholm has no university, it has 
numerous establishments for higher technical 
and popular education and an excellent elemen- 
tary school system. The Royal Library had in 
1899 381.900' volumes and 11,000 manuscripts. 
There are the National Museum, containing fine art 
collections and a collection of Swedish antiqui- 
ties; the Northern Museum (Nordiska iluseet) 
for Scandinavian ethnology and archfeology ; a 
museum of natural history : a biological museum 
showing groups of Scandinavian mammals in 
their natural surroundings; an astronomical ob- 
servatory; and numerous scientific and literary 
associations, the principal of which are the 
Swedish Academy, the Academy of Sciences, and 
the Academy of Fine Arts, History, and Archfe- 
ology. 
Stockholm is the largest industrial centre of 
Sweden next to Goteborg. There are iron foun- 
dries and machine shops, breweries, sugar and 
cotton mills, and tobacco factories, and manu- 
factures of furniture, soap, food ]iroducts, and 
miscellaneous articles^ while shiiibnilding is also 
carried on. The city ranks first among Swedish 
ports in the value of imports, and third in ex- 
ports; the imports in 1897 amounted to SS-SOT,- 
520, and the exports to .$860,680. The chief ex- 
ports are iron and timber. In 1900 the .ship- 
ping at the port amounted to 22,55 entries and 
clearings with a total of 964,.367 tons, but in 
the number and tonnage of its home vessels the 
city is exceeded by Goteborg. The approaches to 
the harbor are intricate and rendered somewhat 
dangerous by rocky reefs, but the harbor itself 
is good and provided with dry docks and exten- 
sive wharfage accessible for large ships. Up to 
1895 the harbor was closed by ice about twenty- 
five days in the year, but recently a new ice- 
breaker has been put into service to keep it open. 
The city is, in general, very progressive in the 
matter of public works. The population in- 
creased slowly during the first half of the nine- 
teenth century, having been 75.000 in 1780 and 
93.000 in 1850. In 1890 it was 246.454, and in 
1901 303,356. 
Stockholm was founded in 1255 by Birger Jarl, 
and was for centuries confined to the Stadsholm 
and Riddarholm, which were fortified. It was 
several times besieged and taken by Danish 
armies, and its wooden buildings were often de- 
stroyed by fire until they were supplanted by 
stone structures. In 1520 the city was the scene 
585 STOCKTON. 
of the 'Stockholm Blood Bath,' when the Danish 
King Christian II., in order to strengthen his 
jiosition in Sweden, had a large number of 
Swedish nobles decapitated on the Stortorg. Con- 
sult Wattcnbaeh. t^tockliolm, ein Blicl: auf 
Schwcdois Uauptstadt (Berlin, 1875). 
STOCKING FRAME. See Knitting. 
STOCKINGS. See Hosiery. 
STOCK'PORT. A manufacturing town in 
Cheshire. England, on the Mersey, at the junc- 
tion of its main feeders, 6to miles southeast of 
Manchester (Map: England, D 3). Its pros- 
perity is of modern date. The streets lie on the 
slopes of a narrow' gorge, and are irregular and 
occasionally precipitous; to the south they rise 
in terraces above the river. The principal build- 
ings are the court-house, market hall, mechanics', 
institute, infirmary, and the institution for the 
blind, deaf, and dumb. The free grammar school 
was founded and endowed in 1487. The town 
possesses seven fine parks, the chief of which is 
Vernon Park, which contains a nniseum. Stock- 
poi't owns an electric lighting plant, street rail- 
ways, sewage w'orks, gas, water supply, and mar- 
kets. It has extensive manufactures of 
cottons, woolens, silks, machinery, brass and 
iron goods, shuttles, and brvishes. Population, 
in 1881, 59,544; in 1891, 70,263; in 1901, 78,871. 
STOCKS. An apparatus of wood, much used 
in former times for the punishment of petty of- 
fenders. The culprit was placed on a bench, 
with his ankles fastened in holes under a movable 
board, and allowed to remain there for an hour 
or two. The period of the first introduction of 
the stocks in England is uncertain, but in the 
second statute of laborers, 25 Edward III. 
( 1350) , provision is made for applying the stocks 
to unruly artificers. Combined with the stocks 
was often a whipping-post for the flagellation of 
vagrants. The use of stocks was general in the 
English colonies of North America and was em- 
])loyed frequently for the punishment of conuuon 
scolds. 
STOCK'TON. The county-seat of San .Joaquin 
County, Cal., 78 miles cast by north of San Fran- 
cisco; on an arm of the San Joaquin River, at 
the head of navigation, and on the Atchison, 
Topeka and Santa Fe and the Southern Pacific 
railroads (Jlap: California, C 3). It is in a region 
noted for its great natural beauty and equable cli- 
mate and is very attractive. The State Hospital 
for the Insane is here, and there are also a public 
library with over 36. .500 volumes, the San Joaquin 
County Law Library, Saint ilary's College, and 
Saint Agnes Academy. The county court-house, 
constructed at a cost of .$300,000, the high school 
($150,000), the post-office, county jail, opera 
house. Masonic Temple, Saint .Joseph's Home, 
and the County and the Pacific hospitals, are also 
noteworthy features. In addition to possessing 
large grain, live stock, and fruit interests. Stock- 
ton has considerable industrial importance. Agri- 
cultural machinery and implements, flour, foun- 
dry products, window glass, lumber, leather, 
beer, fuel briquettes, canned goods, and woolens 
constitute the leading manufactures. The gov- 
ernment, under the charter of 1889, is vested in 
a mayor, chosen biennially, and a unicameral 
council. Stockton was founded in 1849 by 
Charles M. Weber, the owner of a large ilexi- 
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262 
PORT ELIZABETH. 
a naval station which slic could defend for the use 
of her war-vessels in Eastern waters, and the lease 
was granted with the distinct understanding that 
-it shall not prejudice China's soverei&lt;^ity over 
the territory.&quot; It was further agreed that the port 
should be closed to all vessels except Chinese and 
Russian men-of-war. The town lies on the slope 
of the high hills which surround the oval inlet 
which forms the harbor, in lat. 38° 48' X. and 
long. 121° 20' E. The inlet on which it stands 
measures about two miles from east to west and 
one from north to south, and is well protected from 
storms by a spit of land which runs diagonally 
across its northern end. The harbor proper has 
been much enlarged by blasting and dredging; 
new docks, barracks, an arsenal, and warehouses 
have been built, and the place rendered impreg- 
nable. On the west side of the town is the 
terminus of the Russian railway to Harbin. See 
Maxciiuria. 
Lii-shun K'ow was formerly only a small fish- 
ing village at the lower end of a long mountain- 
ous peninsula until it was selected by Li Hung 
Chang under the advice of German engineers for 
a strongly fortified naval st^ition for the defense 
of the Pci-lio and Peking. In 1894, however, it 
was captured by the Japanese, and the Treaty of 
Shimonoseki provided for its cession to Japan 
with the whole southern coast of Manchuria from 
the Liao to the Yalu; but Russia, France, and 
Germanv intervened and induced .Japan to relin- 
quish ail this territory for the sum of 30.000.000 
taels, and on Xovember 30, 1895, its evacuation 
was begun. Con.sult &quot;Some Facts About Port 
Arthur,&quot; in United Sercice Magazine, vol. cxlvi. 
(London, 1902). See Dalxt; Shixg-kixg; and 
Ta-liex Wan. 
PORT-ATJ-PBINCE, por'topraNs', or Poet 
Rei'I BLiCAix. The capital and principal seaport 
of Haiti, West Indies, situated on the western 
coast of the island, opposite the island of 
Gonaive (Map: West Indies, L 5). It lies in a 
niarsliy region and, although well laid out, is in 
a general state of decline and quite unsanitary. 
It is built largely of wood and is partly in ruins, 
as a result of the earthquakes of the eighteenth 
and nineteenth centuries. The principal build- 
ings are the wooden palace, the Senate building, 
and the cathedral. 'The toTi contains also the 
mint, the custom house, a lyceum, and a college. 
The harbor is safe and fortified. The population 
of the city is estimated at 61,000. Consult 
Fortunat, Xouvelle geographie de Vile de Haiti 
(Port-au-Prince, 1888). 
PORT CHESTER. A village in Westchester 
County, X. Y.. 20 miles northeast of Xew York 
City; on Long Island Sound and on the Xew 
Y'ork, Xew Haven and Hartford Railroad (Map: 
Xew Y'ork, G 4). It enjoys considerable popu- 
larity as a summer resort and is also a resi- 
dential suburb of Xew Y'ork. There are a free 
library, besides public school libraries, a public 
hospital, and three fine bank buildings ; ahso a 
park (Monument). The village has large nut 
and bolt works, foundries, and manufactures of 
shirts, carriages, etc. The government is vested 
in a president and board of trustees, elected 
biennially. Port Chester was settled probably as 
early as 1742. and was known as Saw Pit imtil 
1837. when the present name was adopted. It was 
incorporated as a villaire in 1868. Population, in 
1890. 5274; in 1900. 7440. 
PORT CLINTON. A village and the county 
seat of Ottawa County, O., 31 miles east by south 
of Toledo; on Lake Erie, at the mouth of the 
Portage River, and on the Lake Shore and Michi- 
gan Southern Railroad (Map: Ohio. E 2). It 
has a fine harbor, and is the commercial centre 
of a region engaged largely in fruit-growing. 
There are also large lime, plaster, and stone in- 
terests. The mining of gj'psum, basket-making,' 
and fishing are other important industries. Popu- 
lation, in 1890, 2049; in 1900, 2450. 
PORTCULLIS (OF. porte coleice, porte cou- 
lisse, sliding gate, from porte, from Lat. porta, 
gate, and coleice, coulisse, fem. of cole'is, coulis, 
sliding, from Lat. colatus, p. p. of colore, to flow, 
to strain, from colum. sieve). A frame of iron, 
or wood strengthened with iron, made in the 
form of grating, designed to slide in vertical 
grooves built in the jambs of the entrance gate 
of a fortified place, in order to defend the gate 
in case of assault. The vertical bars were pointed 
with iron below, and struck on the ground when 
the grating was dropped, so as to injure who- 
ever or whatever they fell upon. (See Castle.) 
In heraldry (q.v.) the portcullis is represented 
with rings at its uppermost angles, from which 
chains depend on either side. It was a badge of 
the Beaufort family, and borne in virtue of their 
Beaufort descent by the Tudor sovereigns. Port- 
cullis is the title of a pursuivant in the English 
college of arms, whose oflice was instituted by 
Henry VII. 
PORT DE PAIX, por de pa. A town and 
port of Haiti, on the Tortuga Channel, one hun- 
dred miles north of Port-au-Prince, and on the 
right bank of the Trois Rivi&amp;res at its mouth 
(ilap: Antilles. L 5). The agricultural interests 
of the section are largely devoted to coffee. The 
population is estimated at 10,000. Cohimbus 
visited the port in 1492 and named it Valparaiso. 
It was taken by French filibusters in 1665. 
PORT DTJBN'FOBD. A seaport in British 
East Africa at the mouth of the Sheri River 
(Map: Africa, J 5) . 
PORTE, Sublime Porte, or OrroxrAK Pobte. 
The name given to the Turkish Government. The 
origin of this name is to be referred to the 
ancient Oriental custom of making the gates of 
cities and of kings' palaces places of assembly in 
connection with the aflairs of government and of 
the administration of justice. In the Byzantine 
Empire this custom was adopted, and the term 
was transferred from the high gate of the Im- 
perial palace to the Government whose authority 
was there exercised. The Ttirks found the term 
in common use among the Byzantines some time 
previous to their establishment at Constanti- 
nople, and adopted it on the organization of their 
empire. The use. among European nations, of the 
French term sublime porte ('lofty gate') is ac- 
counted for by the fact that French is the 
language of European diplomacy. See Turkey. 
PORTE CBAYON (Fr., pencil-holder). The 
pseudonym of 'the American author and illus- 
trator David H. Strother (q.v.). 
POET ELIZ'ABETH. The largest and most 
important city of Cape Colony next to Cape 
Town. It is &quot;situated on Algoa Bay 400 miles 
east of Cape Town, on the barren peninsula of 
Cape Recife (Map: Cape Colony. K 9). It is 
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279 
PORTSMOUTH. 
was thenceforward called Port-Roval-de-Paris ; 
and from this time the old establishment of 
Port-Koyal-des-Champs was the home of a lay 
community in accordance with the original 
Papal privilege. This community became very 
celebrated, and numbered among its inmates some 
of the most distinguished scholars of the time, 
Arnauld d'Andilly, the three brothers le Maistre 
(Antoine, Louis Isaac de Sacy, and Simon de 
Sericourt I , Nicole, Lancelot, and several others. 
The name of Pascal was closely associated with 
Port-Royal. The rule of life of the Port-Royal- 
i~ts was austere and they devoted many hours 
to prayer, spiritual reading, instruction, and 
manual labor. They prepared for these schools 
the well-known text-books of the Port-Royal 
series, such as Greek and Latin grammars, works 
on general grammar, geometry, and logic. 
In 1643. inspired by profound love for children, 
the Port-Royalists founded the Little .'Schools, 
first at Port-Royal and then in Paris, in which 
they received a small number of pupils. The 
study of the vernacular was strongly emphasized 
in these schools, the general aim lieiug to de- 
velop the reason, judgment, and power of personal 
reflection rather than a mastery of Latin. For 
the first time in the history of French education, 
the study of French received careful considera- 
tion. In teaching pronunciation and spelling 
they almost approached the modem phonetic 
method. The schools had but a short existence 
and embraced but a limited sphere, but the prin- 
ciples laid down had a salutary influence on edu- 
cation in' France throughout the succeeding cen- 
turies. 
Greater importance for the time was given to 
the community by its pertinacious adherence to 
the -Jansenist views ( see .Jansexism ) , and by the 
number of polemical works which issued from 
Port-Royal. The nuns having refused to sub- 
scribe the formula condemning the five proposi- 
tions of .Jansenius, a royal order was issued in 
lti60 for the suppression of the school and the 
removal of the boarders, and the abbess and sev- 
eral other nuns were arrested and confined as 
prisoners in other monasteries. After the &quot;peace 
of Clement IX.,&quot; they were permitted to return; 
but the two commimities, Port-Royal-des-Champs 
and Port -Royal-de-Paris, were placed under sepa- 
rate government. This led to many disputes, and 
to a continued adherence at Port-Royal-des- 
Champ; to the .Jansenist spirit and opinions; and 
when the final steps for the repression of the 
Jansenists were taken in 1705 and the following 
years, a formal bull was issued by Pope Clement 
XI. for th^ suppression of the old convent and 
the transfer of its property to Port -Royal -de- 
Paris. In 1&quot;09 the nuns were finally dispersed 
and distributed among convents of different Or- 
ders throughout France. The property of the con- 
vent and church was transferred to the Paris 
house, and all the buildings of Port-Royal-des- 
Champs were leveled to the ground, by order of 
the King. See Sainte-Beuve, Part-Royal (5th ed., 
7 vols., Paris, 1S87) ; Racine, Histoire abregce 
de Port-Eoijal (Paris, 1742: new ed., 1865); 
Beard, Pori-Roynl (2 vols., London, ISGl) ; Ca- 
det, L'educafUm a Port-Royal (Paris, 18S7) ; 
Ricard, Les premiers Janscnistes et Port-Royal 
(ib.. 1883). 
PORT SAID, sa-ed'. A seaport of Egypt, sit- 
uated at the Mediterranean end of the Suez Canal 
(Map: Egypt, F 1). It has frame houses. Its 
harbor, with colossal piers of concrete, has am- 
ple docks and accommodations for vessels. There 
is a lofty lighthouse. Port Said has an ex- 
port trade in cotton, and is an important coal- 
ing station. It is the seat of the Governor-Gen- 
eral for the Suez Canal. The town dates from 
1859, when work on the canal was begun. Popu- 
lation, 37,000, of whom about one-third are Euro- 
peans. 
PORTSMOUTH, pSrts'muth. A seaport and 
the chief naval arsenal of Great Britain, situated 
in Hampshire, on the southwest shore of 
Portsea Island, 74 miles southwest of London 
(Map: Enghmd, EC). Portsmouth has the most 
complete fortifications in Britain. These com- 
prise, on the landward side, the outer line of the 
Portsdown forts and the Hilsea lines ; to seaward, 
the Spithead forts. 
Southsea, which is situated outside the walls 
skirting Southsea Common, is rapidly increasing, 
and is a fashionable watering-place. Pleasing 
views may be had, from the ramparts and bat- 
teries, of the harbor, the roadstead of Spithead, 
and the Isle of W'iglit. The town itself is unin- 
teresting; among the few notable buildings is 
the Church of Saint Thomas, the chancel and 
transepts of which date from the twelfth century. 
Besides the parish, the municipal and Parlia- 
mentary limits include Portsea, Landport, and 
Southsea. TTie town of Gosport (q.v.) is sepa- 
rated from Portsmouth by the harbor entrance. 
Portsmouth harbor, about 420 yards wide at its 
entrance, extends inland for about four miles and 
has a breadth of three miles along its northern 
shore. The outward entrance is defended by 
^lonkton Fort and Southsea Castle. The harbor 
is situated close to the magnificent anchorage of 
Spithead, where 1000 ships of the line may ride 
without inconvenience, imder shelter of the Isle 
of Wight, and opposite the French arsenal of 
Cherbourg. The dockyard has an area of 293 
acres. Of this immense naval establishment, the 
most noteworthy features are the dry docks, spa- 
cious enough to admit the largest vessels. 
The local trade of Portsmouth is supported 
mainly l)y the Government dockyard and other 
public establishments. Brewing is carried on, 
and there is considerable traffic in timber, coal, 
cattle, and agricultural produce. The importance 
of the port dates from the reign of King Henry 
VIII. Its defenses were strengthened by Eliza- 
beth and by William III. The municipality holds 
various charters, the first granted by Richard I. 
Its principal asset is its docks. It owns an elec- 
tric lighting phint. and tramways, and maintains 
public baths, cemeteries, libraries, and a technical 
school. Porchester Castle, a ruined Xorman 
fortress to the nortli of the harbor, occupies the 
site of the Roman Porttis Uafinus. The town was 
burned by the French in 1372. In 1642 it was 
taken by the Parliamentarians. In 1782 the 
Royal George sank in the harbor with a loss of 
nearly 1000 lives. Portsmouth is the birthplace 
of Charles Dickens and George Meredith. Popu- 
lation, in 1891, 159,000; in 1901, 189.000. Con- 
sult Saunders, Annals of Portsmouth (London, 
1880). 
PORTSMOUTH. A city and one of the coun- 
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POETXJGAL. 
between the Tagus and Douro about 60°, and 
in the Guadiana Valliv C5°. Lisbon has a 
mean tciiiperatiue in Januaiy of 50° and in 
July of ti!J.8°. The precipitation at Lisbon is 
about 40 inches a year, and Coimbra, the most 
popuhius town between 0])orto and Lisbon, is the 
rainiest phice in Kuropc. the clouds parting with 
their moisture against the sides of the surround- 
ing mountains, where as much as 102 inches of 
rain have fallen in a year. On the whole, the 
soils are not rich, for there are wide expanses of 
sandy and thin soils; some of the valleys and 
plains, however, are extremely fertile. 
FloBjV. The vegetation, which is that of Central 
and Southern Europe, is practically identical with 
the flora of iSpain. The kind of vegetation is 
denoted by the prevalent forest trees — in the 
nortli the oak, in the middle the chestnut, and 
in the south the cork tree. The culture of the 
orange is extended the entire length of the coast. 
Tlw olive is found everywhere, but the date palm 
is limited to a fringe along the south coast. 
Fauxa. The wild animals are those of Spain. 
Sardines and the tunny are most conspicuous in 
the coast fisheries, which are highly productive. 
Geology and Misebal Resoukces. Almost 
all the geologic formations are represented. 
Granite is predominant among the northern 
mountains, gneiss throughout the Douro Valley, 
mica schists occur irregularly here and there, and 
basalt i.s conspicuous in the surroundings of Lis- 
bon. The older fossiliferous formations are con- 
spicuous in the north and centre and cover most 
of South Portugal. Mesozoic formations occur 
along the coast between Lisbon and Aveiro, and 
several mountain chains in the central regions 
are formed of .Jurassic rocks. Portugal suffers 
occasionally from the seismic disturbances Nwhich 
afflict the peninsula. The great eartliquake of 
1.5.31 did enormous damage, and that of 1755, in 
whii-li only one-quarter of Lisl)on escaped de- 
struction, was probably the most violent ever 
witnessed in Europe. The most important 
mines are in the copper region of Alem- 
tejo and among the iron ores of Moneorvo. Coal 
is worked at Cape ilondego and is .also found in 
the environs of Leiria. The mining industry, 
however, is in a worse condition even than that 
of Spain. Many mines in this richly metallif- 
erous country, which includes also lead, man- 
gani'sp ore, tin. zinc, and antimony among its 
resources, are idle, and those that are worked are 
for the most part in the hands of foreigners. 
Very large (|uantitics of salt, chiefly sea salt (at 
Setubal, 300,000 tons annually), are produced 
and much is exported. The Portuguese sea salt 
is regarded as the best in Europe. 
-A.GRICULTUKE. The surface of the country, ac- 
cording to the uses made of it, may be thus di- 
vided: agriculture and gardening. 22.4 per cent, 
of the total area: the vine, 2.2: pasturage and 
hay, 20.7: woodland, 2.!): unproductive, 45.8. 
The result is that the food requirements of the 
scanty population are not met. Fnrming also is 
in a low state of development and methods and 
implements are very primitive. The Portuguese 
plow has been described as &quot;a crooked branch 
with a ten-penny nail tied to the end of it.&quot; 
There are three principal regions of cereal cul- 
ture: that of maize, chiefly north of the Tagus 
River, where the climate is more humid than in 
the south : that of wheat, on the wi&lt;lc dry warm 
plains south of the Tagus; and that of rye, on the 
poorer dry soil and in the colder temperature of 
the eastern lands bordering Spain. Flax is ex- 
tensively grown in the north and citrus fruits and 
olives are produced in the south. V'ine-grow- 
ing, the most noted branch of Portuguese hus- 
bandry, is of great importance, partieularl}' on 
the Douro, where the costly port wine is pro- 
duced. Though the industry is carried on in 
somewhat antiquated fashion, Portugal is one 
of the leading wine countries, judged by the 
quality of its wine. The largest vineyard in the 
world, at Poceirao (50,30 acres), contains 6,000,- 
000 vines, annually producing about 2,650,000 
gallons of red and white wine. 
Live-stock raising is an important branch of 
agriculture, the number of horses averaging 90,- 
OOO: mules and asses, 200.000; cattle, 600,000; 
sheej) and goats, 4,000,000; and swine, over 
LOOO.OOO. Cattle are raised in largest numbers 
in the valleys and on the plains of the north, 
while sheep and swine are found chiefly in the 
south. Silkworm culture is increasing, particu- 
larly in the north. 
M.VNUFACTUBES. The manufacturing indus- 
tries have only inferior development, but they 
are progressing, especially in Oporto and Lisbon. 
The cliief manufactures are textiles, particularly 
woolens, and also cotton, linen, and silk goods. 
The cottons are made chiefly for export to the 
colonies. In the neighborhood of Oporto there 
are 15 cotton mills. The chief seats of these 
manufactures are Lisbon, Ojiorto and the neigh- 
boring Braga, and Covilhao. Other products are 
hats, leather, spirits from sugar cane, porcelain, 
tobacco, shoes, ironware, brandy, and soap. Ship- 
building has been increasing in importance within 
the last few years. The population engaged in 
industries outside of agriculture in lOOO was 
447,620. 
CoMMEBCE. The average annual foreign trade, 
in millions of dollars may be seen in the following 
table: 
1881-86 
1891-95 
1399 
1901 
40.2 
23.5 
U.3 
38.1 
54.7 
31.1 
58.3 
Exports 
29.0 
Great Britain is most important in the for- 
eign trade of the kingdom. In 1001 28 per cent, 
of the imports came from Great Britain, 15 per 
cent, from the Portuguese colonies, 13 per cent, 
from Germany, 10 per cent, from the United 
States, per cent, from Spain, and 8 per cent, 
from France. Great Britain took 20 per cent, of 
the exports; Spain, 13 per cent.; the Poi-tuguese 
colonies, 12 per cent.; and Brazil and Germany, 
1 1 per cent. each. The imports largely exceed 
the exports, on account of the quantities of raw 
materials brought in from the colonies and for- 
eign countries, and the foreign food substances, 
textiles, eoal. and machinery, which are con- 
sumed by the people. The value of the leading 
imports, in million dollars, in 1001, was: eoal, 
5.4; cotton goods. 4.1: raw cotton, 4.3; codfish, 
from Norway and British North America, 4.2; 
sugar, 2.8; iron and macliinery, 3.9; woolens and 
yarn, L4; rice, 1.4; hides and goat skins, 1.5. 
The leading exports in million dollars were : wine, 
10.1; cork, the second lai-gest export, 3.5; copper 
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292 
PORTXJGUESE LITERATURE. 
Dictionary of the Portuguese and English Lan- 
yuagcs (Leipzig, 1893) ; id., yeues Worterbuch 
tier portugiesischen vnd deutschen Hprache (ib., 
1887-89) ; Baibosa Rodrigues, Vocubulario indi- 
geno camparaJo para mostrar a adulterncao da 
lingua, complomcnto do Poranduha amazonense 
(Rio tie .Janeiro, 1892): Dozy and Englemann, 
Olossaire des mots espagnols ct portugais dfrivis 
de Varahc (2d ed., Leyden, 1869). 
PORTUGUESE LITERATURE. The lit- 
erature of the most westerly of the Roraanee 
lands, Portugal, was one of the latest to arrive 
at a consciousness of national unity and in- 
dependence, and therefore one of the latest to 
begin to achieve a literary history. Further- 
more, as a result of the somewhat sluggish and 
unassertive temperament of the people as a 
whole, Portuguese literature has been less inde- 
pendent than that of the sister tongues, and has 
been onl.y too ready to limit itself to imitation of 
what had arisen within the bounds of Northern 
France. Provence, Italy, and esjiecially of the 
near neighbor Spain. To the lack of any long- 
continued originality in the domain of Portu- 
guese letters there has also contributed to a 
large degree the excess of sentimentality and the 
consequent elegiac effusiveness that mark the 
national character and life. So it is that the 
lyric spirit, with decided tendencies toward the 
idyllic and the bucolic, has ever predominated in 
Portugal. It was so at the very outset, for 
Avhereas lyric verse followed in the wake of epic 
verse in Spain and in France, it appeared at the 
very beginning of literary activity in Portugal, 
and the epic appeared there only three centuries 
and a half later, and then as the result of a con- 
•sciously artistic development. And the love lyric, 
from which we date the rise of Portuguese litera- 
ture, was not of spontaneous growth or native to 
the soil ; on the contrary, it was an exotic that 
had thriven in France before it was transplanted 
to the more westerly land. 
According to the scheme adopted by Theophilo 
Braga and by C. M. de Vasconcellos, six main 
periods may be distinguished in the course of 
Portuguese literary history. 
(1) In the first period (1200 to 1385) the 
impulse to literary production came from 
France. The first Portuguese dynasty was 
founded by Burgundian nobles, in whose train 
there entered into the land, with their French 
habits and predilections, soldiers and colonists 
•who settled on the territory regained from the 
Arabs during the age of the reconquest. More- 
over, the constant pilgrimages to the shrine of 
Saint James at Compostella. ecclesiastical rela- 
tions of various kinds, and royal and noble 
intermarriages, made the relations between 
France and Portugal exceedingly close. The 
more important literary influence at this early 
stage was that which entered from Southern 
France. The troubadours early penetrated into 
the western territory and met with particular 
favor in Galicia. a district linguistically con- 
nected with Portugal. Their strains were soon 
taken and reechoed by native poets, who imi- 
tated as well as they might the love lyric, the 
panegyric, the satire, the debate, and the other 
conventional poetical forms of Provence. The 
high-water mark of composition in Provencal 
measures and according to Provencal ideals was 
reached in the reign of the King Dom Diniz 
(1279-1325), the greatest of all the native trou- 
badours, whose poetical gifts were inherited by 
his natural sons, Atl'onso Sanches and Pedro, 
Count of Barcellos. Of these poets and some two 
hundred others of this period there are preserved 
about 2000 [(oems, nearly 140 of which are from 
the pen of the monarch himself, and not a few 
of them are due to courtiers such as the Chancel- 
lor Estevam da Guarda and the Admiral Gomes 
Charinho. We find the great l)ody of this verse 
in certain Cancioneiros or song books, one set of 
which contains the Galieian lyrics of the Castil- 
ian monarch Alfonso the Wise ; three of them — 
the Cancioneiro da Ajuda and the Cancioneiro do 
Vaticano, so named from the libraries in which 
they are deposited, and the Cancioneiro Colocci- 
Brancuti, bearing the name of its present and 
former owners — have the poems of native Portu- 
guese authors. Although the prevailing tone in 
the Galician-Portuguese literature of this age is 
that of the artificial Provencal lyric, there is a 
noticeable tendency to take up and adapt popular 
forms of a kind that still live on in the oral 
tradition of Portugal and Northern and Western 
Spain. 
Prose composition at this time consists chiefly 
of translations from Latin — lives of saints, vis- 
ions of the other world, etc. — and of translations 
and imitations of material borrowed from North- 
ern France and already well loiown in Spain, 
such as the Charlemagne and the Arthurian 
stories (cf. the Cavallciros da Mesa Redonda, 
one of the few of them that have thus far been 
published) and those dealing with the quest of 
the Holy Grail. It has been asserted that origi- 
nal composition of chivalrous romances began in 
Portugal as early as the fourteenth century; for 
some think that the Amadis dc Gaula. of which 
the earliest form preserved is a Spanish version, 
was written originally in Portuguese at this time 
and was taken thence by Spanish translators and 
elaborators. (See Spanish Liter.ture. ) His- 
torical writing is represented by the appearance 
of chronicles dealing with religious matters or 
with military undertakings (Chronica da con- 
qnista do Algarre) and things of political import, 
and by the appearance also of genealogies like the 
Nobifiario ascribed to the Count of Barcellos. 
(2) The second period continues from 1385 to 
1521. The time is really one of transition and 
evidences by the increased interest taken in tha 
works of classic antiquity the influence of the 
all-pervading Renaissance movement. The best 
spirits begin to turn away from Proencal ideals, 
and, in imitation of the course pursued by the 
chief Spanish writers, adopt not infrequently a 
more serious didactic tone, which is borne out by 
use of the Dantesque allegory. 
The bulk of the poetry of the age was produced 
by the poctas palncianos of the courts of .To.&quot;io II. 
(&quot;1481-95) and Emanuel the Great (1495-1521). 
Ciarcia de Resende. one of these poets, played a 
part similar to that performed by Baena at the 
Court of Castile, by collecting and publishing at 
Lisbon in 1516 the verse of the numerous portns 
palacianos. Four of the authors represented in 
this Cancioneiro Geral of Garcia de Resende merit 
particular mention. They are Ciil Vicente, who 
is more remarkable, however, for the development 
which he gave to the drama; Christovam Falcao, 
whose idyll Ciisfal — the first composition of this 
favorite kind in Portuguese — records his own 
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295 
PORT. 
graphico-critico sohre os mplhores poetas Portu- 
gueses (Lisbon. 1850-56) ; Andrade Ferreira and 
C. Castello Braneo, Curso de litteratura portu- 
gueza (Lisbon, 1875-76) ; Almeida-Garrett, Par- 
naso lusita)w (Paris, 1826) ; Bellcniiann. Die 
alten Liederbucher der Fortugiesen (Berlin, 
1840) ; F. Diez, Ueber die erste portugiesische 
Kunst- und Hofpoesie (Bonn. 186.3) ; R. Pinto de 
ilattos, ilaiwal bibliographico portuguez (Opor- 
to, 1878) ; F. de S. Boaventura. Collecrao dc in- 
editos portuguezes dos seculos XIV. e XV. (Coim- 
bra, 1829) ; I. F. da Silva, Diccionario bibliogra' 
phico portuguez (Lisbon, 1858-70), with supple- 
ment by Brito Aranha (Lisbon, 1883-90) ; J. H. 
da Cunha Eivara, Catalogo dos inanuscriptos da 
Bibliotheca Eborense (Evora, 1850-70) : F. F. de 
la Figani6re, Bibliographia historiea portiiguezn 
(Lisbon, 1850) ; Pinheiro, Curso de litteratura 
nacional (Rio de .Janeiro, 1862) : M. Formont, 
Le mouiement poetique eoiitemporain en Portu- 
gal (Lyons, 1893) ; Stoick, Aus Portugal und 
Brasilien (Miinster, 1892) ; J. Leite de Vascon- 
cellos, Cancioneiro portuguez (Oporto, 1880). 
PORTUGUESE MAN-OF-WAR. The popu- 
lar name of certain remarkable siphonophores 
(q.v. ) of the genus Physalia. The pneumatophore 
or float is an oblong, crested bladder, flattened 
on the lower side, from which are freely pendent 
the various individuals of the colony. The most 
notable of these are the long capturing filaments, 
which are extraordinarily extensible and con- 
tractile, and are very richly supplied with the 
nettle-cells, so characteristic of coelenterates 
(q.v.). In a specimen 
the float of which is 8 
inches long, these fila- 
ments trail out to a dis- 
tance of fully 20 feet. 
The batteries of nettle- 
cells are so numerous 
and so powerful that 
fishes of considerable 
size are paralyzed and 
devoured, the latter 
process, however, being 
chiefly performed by 
other individuals which 
are specially devoted to 
the process of digestion. 
The nettle-cells of an 
average sized specimen 
of Physalia are power- 
ful enough to produce 
gi'eat and sometimes se- 
rious discomfort to hu- 
man beings, if they come 
in contact with the 
hands or arms ; and this 
is the case with dead 
specimens picked up 
from the beach. The 
most common Portuguese man-of-war in the 
western Atlantic is Physalia pelagica, which 
has the float six or eight inches long and 
two or three inches high. The float is a bright, 
iridescent blue, shading in some places into 
purple, with the lower part and edges red. The 
individuals of the colony are chiefly red. though 
various parts are blue. The float contains a gas, 
possibly air, which seems to be secreted by glan- 
dular epidermal epithelium at its bottom. The 
gas can be expelled through an air-pore, by which 
^&quot;i^. 
Y 
POHTUGCESE MAN-OF-WAR. 
a, ywimming bell : //, crest 
of same 
zolds ; d, 
(t«utacles). 
reproductive 
nutritive zoids 
the interior is always in communication with the 
outside. By contraction of its float, the animal 
can sink below the surface, to which it rises again 
during calm weather. Portuguese men-of-war 
are found chiefly in the warm seas, and in some 
places in the tropics large numbers are blown 
ashore when the wind has blo^m landward for an 
unusual length of time. They are also carried 
northward in the Gulf Stream, and during the 
latter part of the summer are often seen oft' the 
southern coast of Xew England. 
PORTUGUESE POLITICAL PARTIES. 
See Political Parties, paragraph Portugal. 
PORTUGUESE VERSION. See Bible. 
PORTUGUESE WEST AFRICA. A Portu- 
guese colony on the west coast of Africa. See 
ANGOLA. 
PORTUTfUS, or PORTUM'NUS (Lat., 
from porta, door, partus, port). The Roman 
divinity, originally of doors, then of harbors, and 
hence represented with a key. His festival, the 
Portunalia, was celebrated annually on .ugust 
17th at his temple on the Tiber. 
PO'RUS I Lat.. from Gk. IXwpos, Poros ) &quot;( ?-B.c. 
317). An Indian king, the most powerful of those 
conquered by Alexander the Great (q.v.). His 
kingdom lay in the north of India between the 
Hydaspes and Acesines (the modern Jhelam and 
Chenab), and he was a monarch of much im- 
portance and ancient lineage. When Alexander 
reached the Jlielam in his invasion of India in 
the spring of B.C. 326, he found Porus awaiting 
him with a strong army on the site of the modern 
town of Mong. After some delay the ^Macedonian 
force succeeded in crossing the river by stratagem 
followed by open approach, and a fierce battle 
ensued, in which Porus was wounded and made 
captive. When the conqueror retired from India 
in the following year, he left Porus as ruler over 
the lands west of the .Jhelam, comprising seven 
nations, and in addition made him an ally of his 
former enemy and rival Taxiles, probably Ambhi, 
Raja of Takshasila. After the death of Alex- 
ander. Porus seems to have extended his power 
over Sindh by expelling Peithon, the Greek ruler. 
In 317 Porus was assassinated by Eudemus, who 
had been made satrap of the Punjab by Alexander 
to administer its afJairs with Taxiles. The name 
Porus obviously represents the Sanskrit Pan- 
rava, or member of the race of Puru. a legendary 
monarch of the so-called lunar d^-nasty. whose 
descendants are represented by the Sanskrit writ- 
ings as dwelling in the north of India. 
The same name was borne by at least two 
other kings, one a nephew and enemy of the 
great Porus. He was driven by Alexander from 
his country of Gandaris (Sanskrit Gandhara) , 
on the left bank of the Indus. There was also 
a Porus, King of iladura, who sent gifts and an 
embassy to the En:peror Augustus. Consult 
jrCrindle, Iniasion of India hg Alexander the 
Great (2d ed., Westminster, 1896). 
PORT, , John- (c.1570-1635) . An English col- 
onist and geographer. He graduated at Gonville 
and Caius College, Cambridge, in 1592, studied 
history and geography for a time after 1597 
under Hakluyt. and in 1600, at Haklurt's sug- 
gestion, made a translation of the Geographi- 
eal Historie of Africa written in Arabicke and 
Italian bg John Leo, a More, which at that period 
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490 
PBTTSSIA. 
Out of a total of 3,000.503 persons engaged in 
the manufacturing c-tablishments of Germany in 
1895, 4,572,125, or 57 per cent., were employe*! in 
Prus.sia. They were distributed among the fore- 
going industries (the figures of 1S82 being also 
given for purposes of comparison ) . 
Tr.V.N.SPORT.TIOX .&quot;CfD COMMUXICATIOX. One of 
the greatest factors in the industrial development 
of Prussia has been the exc-ellence of its inland 
water routes and railroad lines, which supple- 
ment instead of rivaling one another. An enor- 
mous tonnage is carried on the great rivers, on 
their canalized tributaries, and on the canals, 
which connect the rivers, so that the waterways 
as well as the railroads gridiron Prussia, serving 
commerce between the east and west as well as 
between north and south. Steel lighters of large 
tonnage and small draught have replaced heavy 
wooden boats on the canals. The Government 
expends enormous sums in the improvement and 
maintenance of the waterways. In the thirteen 
years ending in 1003. the public treasury dis- 
bursed ^58,388,750 on the rivers, canals, and 
wagon roads, and new canal projects or river im- 
provements are constantly underway. The Kaiser 
Wilhelm Canal saves two days of steam travel 
between Hamburg and the Baltic ports as com- 
pared with the old route around Jutland. 
The Prussian railway system covers not only 
the entire territorj- of the kingdom, but also 
that of several minor German States, thus com- 
manding the commerce of all Northern Germany. 
Since 1897, when the Prussian railway system 
was combined with that of Hesse. Prussia has 
effected an entrance into the southern territory 
of Germany. (See Gersiaxy. paragraph on Kail- 
icays.) In 1902 there were 21,110 miles of rail- 
road in operation in Pnissia. of which the State 
owned or administered 19,440 miles. Government 
ownership and operation has proved a complete 
success from a financial and commercial point of 
view. The fJovemment derives nearly one-fourth 
of its entire revenue from the profits of its rail- 
way operation, and is able by the manipulation of 
freight rates to come to the aid of industries in 
need of special encouragement. 
Prussia is one of the sis German States pos- 
sessing a merchant marine. It ranks third, be- 
ing exceeded by Hamburg and Bremen. Stettin, 
the largest Prussian port, is far behind. The 
Baltic ports are frozen over in winter, but that 
of Stettin is kept open by ice-breakers. It is the 
nearest port to Berlin, and one of the present 
canal projects is to connect them by a waterway. 
Danzig is a large outlet for the cereals of North- 
east Prussia. Other important seaports are 
Konigsbcrg. ^lemel. and Altona. The merchant 
marine in 1900 c-omprised .531. steamers, of 193,- 
411 tons net capacity, and 1.543 sailing vessels, of 
76,893 tons. Prussia carries on about one-third 
of the total German foreign trade. 
Commerce. The commerce of Prussia is facili- 
tated by her central position and by the network 
of river and canal navigation, which make her 
territories the connecting medium between several 
of the great European States, and give her a free 
outlet to the rest of the world. Yearlv markets 
are held in about 2700 towns. See Germ.xt, 
paragraph on fommrrc. 
B.TKI?&gt;G. The banking system of Prussia does 
not differ from that of the rest of the German 
Empire. (See Gebmaxt, paragraph on Banking.) 
The Imperial Bank acts as the fiscal agent of the 
kingdom. Prussia occupies a commanding p&lt;jsi- 
tion in the banking world of Germany, since Ber- 
lin is the most important financial centre of the 
country. The eleven great corporate banks of 
Berlin (not including private banks like Bleich- 
rOder, etc.) do almost as great a business as the 
Imperial Bank of Germany, with its 300 branches. 
In the closing year of the nineteenth century the 
combined volume of business done by the Berlin 
banks was about 1.55.000.000.000 marks (nearlv 
.?39.000.000,000), as compared with 180.000,00o!- 
000 marks done by the Imperial Bank. The capi- 
tal stock of the eleven banks of Berlin has in- 
creased about five-fold since their foundation, and 
the combined volume of business. estimate&lt;l at 
about 155.000,000.000 marks (allowing 20.000.- 
000,000 for the three banks not reporting), was 
about 138 times as large as their available 
working capital. The leading bank is the 
Deutsche Bank, with a capital stock of 1.50.000.- 
000 marks. Each of the Berlin banks shows a 
larger capitalization than that of any national 
bank in the United States and compares very 
favorably with the banks of France. An im- 
portant financial institution is the Prussian 
Maritime Association (Seehandlung), foumled by 
Frederick the Great in the middle of the eight- 
eenth century. It was the chief financial support 
of the Prussian Government for more than a 
century, until the formation of the CJerman Em- 
pire, and was intrusted with the investment of 
the enonnous war contribution exacted from 
France. It is the prototype of the 'credit mobi- 
lier&quot; institutions which found such favor during 
the nineteenth eenturv- in France and other coun- 
tries. Its activity may Ije seen from the fact that 
with a capital stock of&quot; less than 39.000.000 marks 
it had assets excee&lt;ling 520.000.000 marks. 
FiXAisrES. Prussia has a highly scientific and 
satisfactory revenue system. Ta.xation, though 
somewhat burdensome, is very equitably distril'- 
uted. Direct taxes bring in nearly 10 per cent, of 
the revenue from all sources and 71 i&gt;er cent, ot 
the entire tax revenue. The principal direct tax 
is the progressive income tax. Persons deriving' 
less than a fixed minimum income are exempt. 
Another important source of revenue in Prussia 
is the income obtainefl from Government domains 
and industrial enterprises, railways, mines, salt 
works, mills, etc. The net revenue derived from 
these sources exceeds 650,000,000 marks. The chit f 
item of expenditure in the Prussian budget is t'lt- 
so-called working expense in connection with Gov 
emuient enterprises. The next item is the con- 
tribution to the Imperial funds, which every 
State is required to make to complete the revenue 
of the Empire. (See Gekma.vy, paragraph on 
Finance.) Xext come the interest on the pub- 
lic debt, which absorbs nearly 10 per cent, of tl^' 
ordinary expenditure; public instruction and wor 
ship, with 6 per cent.: justic-e: and finance '■'' 
other items of expenditure are all below |i' 
000 marks, and the war expenditure is iu-:....- 
cant. about S.30.000 in 1902. all the war expendi- 
ture being met directly from Imperial funds. The 
growth of the Prussian budget in the last quarter 
of the nineteenth century is shown by the follow- 
ing table (in millions of marks). 
The public debt of Prussia has grown to enor- 
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LOGANSPORT. 
in the latter engajgement, and in March, 1862, 
was appointed brigadier-general of volunteers, 
and a few months later major-general. In the 
Vicksburg campaign he was in command of a 
division of the Seventeenth Corps, and ilistin- 
guished himself at Port Gibson and Raymond, 
Jackson, Champion Hill, and in the siege of 
Vicksburg. His command was the first to en- 
ter the town, of which he was appointed mili- 
tary governor. In 18(i3 he was put in com- 
mand of the Fifteenth Corps, which he led until 
the death of McPhcrson, when he took command 
for a time of the Army of the Tennessee. On 
being relieved by Gen. O. O. Howard, he re- 
turned to the command of his corps, which he 
led until the fall of Atlanta, when he obtained 
leave of absence to take part in the political cam- 
paign for the reelection of Abraham Lincoln as 
President. He afterwards rejoined his corps, 
leading it in the march through the Carulinas, 
and ultimately succeeded (Jtneral Howard in 
command of the Army of the Tennessee. 
He was subsequent ly elected to Congress for 
two successive terms as a Republican, and was 
one of the managers of the impeachment of Presi- 
dent Andrew Johnson. In 1871 he was elected 
to the United States Senate. Soon after his ad- 
mission to the Senate he distinguished himself 
by a speech on reconstruction. At the expiration 
of his term, in 187&quot;, he settled in Chicago and 
began to practice law, but after a short interval 
of retirement was reelected to the Senate. Dur- 
in&quot; his career in Congress he made a number of 
notable speeches, characterized by force and bril- 
liancy. In 1880 he spoke for four consecutive 
days' upon the Fitz-John Porter bill, opposing 
the restoration of Porter to the army. He was 
a candidate for the Presidential nomination at 
the Republican National Convention at Chicago 
in 1884, and after the ballot was announced 
■which gave that nomination to .James G. Blaine, 
he was nominated by acclamation as the candi- 
date for 'ice-President. Soon after the defeat of 
the Republican ticket he was once more elected 
by the Republicans of Illinois as United States 
Senator. He died at Washington, December 26, 
1886. .James (J. Blaine said of him that no other 
man in the history of the country had combined 
the elements of successful military and legislative 
leadership in such an eminent degree. Major- 
General Logan wrote a volume on the Civil War, 
entitled The Crent Conspirury (1880), and The 
Volunteer Holdier of America (1888). Consult 
Dawson, The Life and Services of .John A. Logan 
(Chicago, 1887). 
liOGAN, Mount. The second highest peak of 
Xorth America. It is situated in the south- 
western corner of Yukon Territory, Canada, close 
to the Alaskan boundary (Map: Northwest Terri- 
tories, A 2). Its height is 19, .500 feet. It was 
considered the highest peak of the continent 
until 1808, when the United States Geological 
Survey foimd it to be exceeded by Mount McKin- 
ley. See :McKixley, Mouxt. 
LOGAN, Olive (1830—). An American 
actress, daughter of Cornelius Ambrosius Logan 
(q.v. ). She was born in Elmira, N. Y.. and after 
having been educated in Paris and London with a 
view to the stage, became an actress and subse- 
quently a journalist and lecturer. In 1864 she 
appeared at Wallack's Theatre in New York City 
in her own play of Eveleen. She corresponded for 
many periodicals, and wrote besides plays (in- 
cluding further a metrical rendering of Coppee's 
Le I'uHHunt and a dramatization of Wilkie Col- 
lins's Armadale), several books on theatrical 
matters, such as Before the Footlights and Be- 
hind the Scenes (1870). 
LOGAN, Stepiie.n- Trigg (1800-80). An 
American jurist, born in Franklin County, Ky. 
He studied law, and for a time practiced in his 
native State, but in 1S,'52 emigrati'd to Illinois, 
and opened a law office at Springfield. In 1835 
he was made Circuit Judge, and in 1S42, 1844, and 
1840 was elected to the Legislature. From 1841 
to 1844 he was a law partner of Abraham Lin- 
coln. In 1847 he assi.sted in framing a new State 
Constitution, and in 18.54 was a fourth time 
elected to the Legislature. He became a Repub- 
lican upon the formation of that party, and in 
1800 was a delegate to the Republican National 
Convention, which nominated Lincoln. In the 
following j'car he went to the Peace Congress 
at Washington, and then withdrew from public 
life. Logan was a lawyer of unusual ability, and 
during his prime was regarded by many as the 
first member of the bar in the State of Illinois. 
LOGAN, Sir William Edmoxd (1798-187.5). 
An English geologist, born in Montreal, Canada, 
and educated at the Edinburgh High School and 
University. While .studying the structure of the 
coal-fields of South Wales he discovered the 
'stigmaria-clay' by which he refiited the drift 
theory of the origin of coal. From 1842 to 1869 
Dr. Logan directed the geological sur'ey of 
Canada, where he brought to notice the sup- 
posed fossils of the Laurentian rocks called 
Eozoiin C'anadense. His investigations of the 
crystalline rocks of Canada were of far-reaching 
importance. In 18.5.5 he had charge of the repre- 
sentation of Canadian mineral productions at the 
Paris Exposition, and in 1850 he was knighted.. 
His chief publication was Geology of Canada 
(1863, with Thomas Sterry Hunt). Consult his 
Life by Harrington (Montreal, 1883). 
LO'GANIA'CE.^ (Neo-Lat., from Logania, 
named in honor of James Logan), The Logania 
Family. A natural order of dicotyledonous 
plants, consisting of trees, low and climbing 
shrubs, and herbs, with opposite, entire, usually 
stipulate leaves. The calyx is 4-5 partite ; the 
corolla hypogvTious, regular or irregular 4-5 or 
10-cIeft; the stamens adherent to the corolla; the 
ovary generally 2-cel!ed; the style .solitary; the 
fruit a capsule, a drupe, or a berry. A few 
species of this order occur in Australia and in 
the temperate parts of North America; the 
rest are all tropical or subtropical. There are 
about 350 known species. The plants of this 
order are characterized by a bitter principle 
which is often extremely poisonous. They in- 
clude the genus Str&gt;'chnos, of which nux vomica 
(qq.v. ) is one of the products, and another is 
the woorali or curari (q.v.) poison. The prin- 
cipal representative of the order in the United 
States is the pinkroot {Hpigelin Marilandica) , 
which is believed to have medicinal properties. 
LO'GANSPOET. A city and the county-seat 
of Cass County, Ind.. 72 miles north by west of 
Indianapolis : at the confluence of the Wabash 
and Eel rivers, and on the Pittsburg. Cincinnati, 
Chicago and Saint Louis, the Vandalia Line, the 
Wabash, and other railroads (Map: Indiana, C 
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626 
McKENDREE COLLEGE. 
was educated privately at New Castle, Del., 
where he settled. He studied law, was admitted 
to the Delaware bar iu 1755, was immediately 
appointed register of probate, and in 1756 be- 
came assistant attorney for Susse.x County. From 
1757 to 1759 he was clerk of the Delaware As- 
sembly, and in 17G2 was commissioned with 
Citsar Rodney (q.v.) to revise all the laws of 
Delaware ])asscd prior to 1752. In the same year 
lie began his long service as a member of the 
Delaware Assembly, where he served continuonsly 
by reelection until 1779. In 1705 he was elected 
to the Stamp Act Congress {see St.mp Act), 
where he was instrumental in securing an equal 
vote for eaeli of the provinces represented and 
assisted in drawing up the memorial to Parlia- 
ment. He was elected in the same year a judge 
of the Common I'leas, and boldly ruled that only 
unstamped paper should be used in his court. 
In 1771 he was collector of the port of New 
Castle, and about the same time opened an office 
for the practice of law iu riiilndelphia. He con- 
tinued to reside for part of the lime in Delaware, 
however, and in 1774 was elected a delegate from 
that i)rovince to the Continental Congress. In 
the proceedings of that body he took a leading 
part, serving until 1783 anil being the only mem- 
ber sitting continuously tliroughout the war. He 
favored tiie adojilion of the Di'i-hiration of Inde- 
jiendenee, an&lt;l, though absent when that document 
was signed, he was later ( prol)ably in 1784) al- 
lowed to affix his signature. He also helped to 
draft the Articles of Confederation, which he 
signed. In 1781 he was president of Congress. 
While still a member of the Delaware Assembly, 
and one of the Delaware delegates in Congress, he 
became prominently identified willi Pennsylvania 
alTairs, was cliaivman of the Cominiltee of Safety 
in that State in 1770, and in 1777 was chosen 
Chief .histice, a jiosition which he held until 1799. 
In the latter year, having become one of the lead- 
ers of the Kepublican Party, and a strong sup- 
porter of .Jefrerson, he was elected Oovernor of 
Pennsylvania, serving until 1808. With .Tames 
Wilson he was the author of Comiiiriilarics on 
the Cuiisliliition of the United States (1790). 
McKEESPORT, m'-kes'port. A city in Al- 
legheny County, Pa., 15 miles southeast of Pitts- 
burg; at the confluence of the Monongahela and 
Youghiogheny rivers, both of which are navi- 
gable, and on the Baltimore and Ohio, the Penn- 
sylvania, and the Pittsburg and Lake Erie rail- 
roads (Map: Pennsylvania, B .3). It is in the 
heart of the natiral gas and the bituminous coal 
regions of the State, and is the seat of a vast 
iron and steel industry, the plant of the National 
Tube Works, which alone employs 8500 men, 
being one of the largest in the world. Other 
nianufaetures are railroad cars, locomotives and 
su|ij)lies, glass, and lumber. There is a large 
trade in coal and lumber. The city has the 
Douglass Industrial College, McKeesport Hospi- 
tal, Carnegie Library, Yoiuig Men's Christian 
Association Hall, a fine high school building 
(cost .$108,000), and several bridges that are of 
interest architecturallv. The government is 
vested in a mayor, elected every three years; a 
bicameral council: and administrative officials 
as follows; police, street commissioner, and board 
of health, ajipoinled by the mayor with the con- 
sent of the council ; water commissioners, city 
solicitor, and chief of fire department, elected by 
the council; and treasurer, comptroller, board of 
assessors, and school board, chosen by popular 
election. The jirincipal items of annual expendi- 
ture are about .$155,000 for schools, .$35,000 for 
the fire department, $55,000 for the police depart- 
ment, and $55,000 for the water-works, which 
are owned and operated by the city, having been 
built in 1882 at a cost of about $425,000. Set- 
tled in 1795 and luimed in honor of .lohn McKee, 
its foiuider, ilcKeesport was incorporated as a 
borough in 1842. Until 1830, when coal-raining 
began in the district, it was a straggling village. 
Population, in 1890, 20,741; in 1900, 34,227. 
McKEES ROCKS. A borough in Allegheny 
County, Pa., on the Ohio Kiver, opposite Al- 
legheny, and on the Pittsburg and Lake Erie 
and the Pittsburg, Chartiers and Youghiogheny 
railroads (Map; Pennsylvania, A 3). It is 
known for its extensive iron and steel interests, 
and there are also railroad machine shops, and 
nianufact(n-ies of glass, lumber, Hour, etc. The 
rapid growth of its population is sliown as 
follows: in 1890, 1087; in 1900, 0352. 
MacKEL'LAR, Tiio.mas (1812-99). An 
American poet, born in New York City. He 
learned the trade of printing in the llarjiers' pub- 
lishing house, and then entered the firm of Law- 
rence Johnson &amp; Co., Philadelpliia, as a proof- 
reader. He rose to be a partner, and the head 
of the establishment, later known as the firm of 
MacKcllar, Smith &amp; Jordan. His works include: 
Droppings from the Heart (1844) ; Tarn's Fort- 
night Ramble (1847) ; Lives for the Oentle and 
Loving (1853); and Rhymes Aticccn Times 
(1873). The last volume contains his popular 
poem, &quot;Let ile Kiss Him For His Jlother.&quot; which 
is founded on an episode of the Civil War. 
McKEN'DREE, William (1757-1835). A 
Methodist E]iiscopal bishop. He was born in 
King William County, Va., July G, 1757; served 
in the Revolutionary War ; was converted and 
joined the Methodist Church in 1787; became 
presiding elder in 1790, and bishop, the first one 
born in America, in 1808. He died near Nash- 
ville, Tenn., March 5. 1835. By reason of his 
travels with Bishop Asbury and as superintend- 
ent of the societies in Virginia, Kentucky, Ten- 
nessee, Ohio, and Illinois, before he became 
bishop, and his travels after that, he was well 
known to Methodists, especially in those States. 
His Life by Paine (Nashville, 1809; new ed. 
1875) is consequently an important source of 
early Methodist history. 
McKENDREE COLLEGE. An institution 
of learning at Lebanon, 111., under the auspices 
of the Methodist Episcopal Church, organized in 
1828 as Lebanon Seminary, and one of the ear- 
liest institutions in the West dedicated to higher 
education. Its name was changed in 1830 in 
honor of Bishop McKendree, who devised his es- 
tate to the college. A new charter was secured 
in 1839 with the cooperation of Abraliam Lin- 
coln, granting the institution full university 
privileges. The college proper offers a classical 
and a scientific course; it has also graduate and 
law departments and a conservatory of music. 
It confers the bachelor's degree in arts, science, 
law. and music, and the master's and doctor's 
decrees for graduate work. Students are ad- 
mitted on examination or on certificate from ap- 
]n-oved schools. In 1902 it had a faculty of 12 
instructors. The student enrollment comprised 
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''KINROSS′-SHIRE′'''. The second smallest county of Scotland, lying between the counties of Perth and Fife (Map: Scotland, E 3). Area, 73 square miles. It is well cultivated; coal occurs at Lochgelly. Capital, Kinross. Population, in 1801, 6700; in 1851, 9000; in 1891, 6673; in 1901, 7000.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''KINSALE′'''. A seaport town and summer resort of County Cork, Ireland, picturesquely situated at the head of Kinsale Harbor, on the Bandon estuary, 14 miles southwest of Cork (Map: Ireland, C 5). It is partly built on the slope of Compass Hill, and has steep, irregular streets. It dates from the Norse invasion; the chief event of its long and interesting history was its capture by the Spaniards in 1601, and the two months’ siege they sustained in 1602 before yielding to the English. Population, in 1901, 4250.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;'''KIN′STON'''. A town and the county seat of Lenoir County, N. C., 80 miles southeast of Raleigh; on the Neuse River, and on the Atlantic Coast Line and the Atlantic and North Carolina railroads (Map: North Carolina, E 2). It has the Rhodes Military Institute. The city is surrounded by a productive agricultural section, largely devoted to tobacco cultivation, and is an important tobacco market with several large warehouses, packing establishments, stemmeries, etc. There are also cotton-mills, carriage and wagon works, a turpentine distillery, foundry and machine-shops, lumber-mills, knitting-mills, and manufactures of boxes, barrels, shingles, etc. the electric light plant is owned by the municipality. Population, in 1890, 1726; in 1900, 4106.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s5&quot; /&gt;'''KINTYRE''', kĭn-tīr'''′'''. A peninsula in Scotland. See {{NIE article link|Cantire}}.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;'''KINZIE''', kĭn'''′'''zĭ, {{sc|John}} (1763–1828). An American pioneer, born in the city of Quebec, Canada. He was placed at a very early age in straitened circumstances by the death of his father, left his home when a boy of ten, and went to New York City. After a wandering life, during which he traded with the Indians in the West and Middle West, he finally settled in Illinois on the site of the city of Chicago, where he built a trading station, the first permanent settlement of a white man at that point. Consult Kinzie, ''Wau-bun, or the Early Day in the Northwest'' (New York, 1856).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s7&quot; /&gt;'''KIOTO''', kē̇-ō'''′'''tō̇ (Chin., capital), or '''KYOTO''', also called {{sc|Miako, Miyako, Saikio, Saikyo}}. One of the three ''fu'' cities of Japan, and the capital of the country from the year 794 until 1868, when the shogunate was abolished, and the Mikado and his Court removed to Yedo (Tokio).

The city stands on the island of Hondo, in latitude 35° N., and longitude 135° 30′ E., in a fertile plain, bordered on three sides by moderately high mountains, near the centre of the Province of Yamashiro. It is 47 miles by rail from Kobe via Osaka on the coast, and 329 from Tokio (Map: Japan D 6), and is also connected by rail with Tsuruga on the Sea of Japan on the north, and westward 302 miles with {{NIE article link|Shimonoseki|nosc=yes}} (q.v.), where the island of Hondo approaches Kiushiu. The city, which is unwalled, is traversed from north to south by the Kamogawa, which divides it into two unequal parts. The larger and more important part lies along the right bank of the river, the wide shingly bed of which is nearly dry except in the rainy season. The smaller and more picturesque part, where are found most of the hotels patronized by foreigners, rises gradually from the left bank to the wooded steeper slopes and spurs of the range of mountains, where many of the more famous temples and places of interest are situated. In general the plan of the city differs but little from that of 794, which Kuwammu, its founder, called ''Hei-an-jo'', ‘the city of peace.’ It is about four miles in length from north to south, and two and one-half in breadth, and is laid out with mathematical regularity. The streets are wide, well kept, neat, and clean. In the northeast part is the Go-Sho or ‘Imperial Palace,’ which with its fine gardens, in true Japanese taste, covers 26 acres. The buildings are of wood, and arc characterized by a certain quiet elegance which is peculiarly Japanese. They contain many fine paintings by Japanese artists, and much fine carving. To the southwest of this is the ''Nijo'', the castle of the Shogun, built in 1601, and now the seat of the city government. Though one of the gayest of cities, Kioto is a great religious centre, and temples and shrines abound. {{NIE article link|Shinto|Shintō|nosc=yes}} (q.v.) claims 93, and Buddhism about 950. In the southern part of the city are the Eastern and Western Hongwan-ji, the headquarters of the Shin sect, whose temples are noted for their great size, their magnificence, and their accessibility. On the eastern hills are many fine temples, such as the Chi-on-in and the San-ju-san-gen-Do. In this neighborhood is also found a large mound—the Mimidzuka—containing the ears and noses of the Koreans slain in the wars of Hideyoshi (1592–98). To the northeast of the Imperial palace on the way to Otsu, at a height of 2000 feet, and overlooking Lake Biwa, are the famous Buddhist monasteries of Hiyei-zan, founded about {{asc|A.D.}} 800, and intended originally to shield the palace from the evil influences of the north.

Kioto is the centre of many art industries. Here the finest silks, crapes, velvet, brocades, and embroideries, porcelain, cloisonné enameled ware, bronzes, etc., arc produced, the manufacture giving employment to thousands of skilled hands. Much Satsuma and other ware is brought here to be decorated. Under the city government is an. industrial department for the promotion of the industrial arts, established in 1870, which includes experimental gardening, an experimental farm, a weaving department where foreign looms are used, a physical and chemical department, a female industrial school, a pauper industrial school, a shoemaking establishment, etc. Kioto is the seat of an Imperial university, with colleges of law, medicine, and engineering, supported by the Government, and under the auspices of the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions is a college of good standing called the Doshisha, where theology is also taught.&lt;section end=&quot;s7&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''KIOWA''', kē'''′'''ō̇-wȧ. An important Plains tribe, apparently constituting a distinct linguistic slock. The popular name is a corruption of ''Kâ-i-gwǔ'', the name by which they call themselves. According to their own traditions, which are borne out by those of other tribes, they at one time lived in the Rocky Mountains of western Montana on the headwaters of the Missouri and Columbia rivers. From this position they moved out into the plains and formed an alliance with the Crow, for whom them still entertain a friendly feeling. Following the buffalo herds and pressed by the Sioux and Cheyenne, they moved southward, halting for a time in the Black Hills, then making their camps upon the Platte, and later still upon the upper Arkansas. Here they first came into contact with the Comanche farther to the south, with whom they carried on war for some time. Since 1790 these tribes have acted as confederates. At a later period the Kiowa made peace with the Cheyenne and Arapahoe. They were noted as one of the most hostile and unruly tribes of the plains, and maintained almost constant warfare along the American and Mexican frontiers until the great Treaty of Medicine Lodge, Kansas, in 1867, when, with the Cheyenne, Arapahoe, Comanche, and Kiowa-Apache, they consented to give up their free range and come upon reservations in what is now Oklahoma. They were slow to move, however, and it required a winter campaign by Custer the next year to bring them in. In 1874 they again broke out, together with most of the other four tribes, but were subdued the next year by Mackenzie, who shot their ponies, confiscated their arms, and deported a number of their chiefs and warriors to Florida. Since then they have remained quietly upon their reservation, which was thrown open by treaty in 1901, so that they are now in law American citizens. The majority now occupy houses and wear civilized dress, instead of the tipi and G-string, the change having come within the past few years. In other respects they retain most of their primitive customs and habit of thought. Their great annual ceremony was the {{NIE article link|sun dance|nosc=yes}} (q.v.), and their great tribal palladium was the Taimé, a stone image somewhat resembling a human figure. They did not have the clan system, but were subdivided into six recognized bands, and had a well-organized military order of six degrees. They have also a pictograph calendar running back some seventy years. Associated with them, and constituting one of the six bands of their tribal circle, is a small tribe of Athapascan stock, locally known as Kiowa-Apache. The term is a misnomer, however, excepting as it indicates the remote stock affinity; for these people, who call themselves ''Nadíishañ-dína'', have come down along the plains, and have no tradition of a time when they were not associated with the Kiowa. The greatest strength of the Kiowa at any time within a century was probably less than 1800. They number now about 1100, while the Kiowa-Apache number 160.

Consult Mooney, “Calendar History of the Kiowa Indians,” in ''Seventeenth Report of Bureau of American Ethnology'' (Washington, 1898).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''KIP''', {{sc|Leonard}} (1826–). An American author, born in New York, and educated at Trinity College, Hartford. He studied law and long practiced in Albany where he was for ten years president of the institute. Besides contributing to periodicals, he published ''California Sketches'' (1850); ''Volcano Diggings'' (1851); ''Ænone'' (1866); ''The Dead Marquise'' (1873); ''Hannibal’s War'' (1878); ''Under the Bells'' (1879); and ''Nestlenook'' (1880).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;[[Author:William Ingraham Kip|'''KIP''', {{sc|William Ingraham}}]] (1811–93). An American bishop of the Episcopal Church. He was born in New York City, of Breton ancestry; graduated at Yale in 1831, and at the General Theological Seminary in 1835, after studying law. He was rector of Saint Peter’s, Albany, from 1838 to 1853, and in the latter year was chosen missionary bishop of California, where he became bishop four years after. Among his works are: ''The Lenten Fast'' (1843); ''Early Jesuit Missions in North America'' (1846); ''The Catacombs of Rome'' (1854); ''The Olden Time in New York'' (1872); and ''The Church and the Apostles'' (1877).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s5&quot; /&gt;'''KIPCHAK''', kĭp-chäk'''′'''. A Mongol khanate. See {{NIE article link|Kiptchak}}.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;[[Author:Joseph Rudyard Kipling|'''KIP′LING''', ({{sc|Joseph}}) {{sc|Rudyard}}]] (1865–). An English fiction-writer and poet. He was born in Bombay, December 30, 1805, the son of John Lockwood Kipling, who was for many years connected with the schools of art at Bombay '''and''' Lahore, in India. His mother, Alice Macdonald, was the daughter of a Methodist clergyman at Endon, Staffordshire. At the age of five, Kipling was brought to England, and in 1878 he entered the United Service College, at Westward Ho, Devonshire, editing while there the ''College Chronicle'', for which he wrote verse and prose. On his school life he drew freely for the incidents narrated in ''[[Stalky &amp; Co.]]'' (1899). Returning to India, he joined the editorial staff of the Lahore ''Civil and Military Gazette'' (1882–1887), and afterwards became assistant editor of the ''Pioneer'' at Allahabad (1887–1889). To these and other papers he contributed satirical verses and sketches of Anglo-Indian life. ''Schoolboy Lyrics'' (1881) was followed by ''Echoes'' (1884), ''Departmental Ditties'' (1880), and ''[[Plain Tales from the Hills]]'' (1888). The last two represent the best of his early work in verse and prose. In 1888 he published, at Allahabad: ''[[Soldiers Three]]'', ''[[The Story of the Gadsbys|The Gadsbys]]'', ''[[In Black and White]]'', ''[[Under the Deodars]]'', ''[[The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Tales|The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Tales]]'', and ''[[Wee Willie Winkie, and other stories|Wee Willie Winkie and Other Child Stories]]''.

Having now become well known in India, Kipling visited England and the United States in search of a publisher, but failed at first. His impressions of America, originally contributed to the ''Pioneer'', were afterwards published in New York, under the title ''American Notes'' (1891). In 1890 Kipling, then in London, suddenly found himself famous. Since then his vogue has been extraordinary. In 1892 he married the daughter of H. Wolcott Balestier of New York City, and settled in Vermont, where he remained till 1896. To this second period of his life belong ''[[Life's Handicap|Life’s Handicap: The Light That Failed]]'' (1891); ''Barrack-Room Ballads'' (1892); ''The Naulahka'', written in collaboration with [[Author:Wolcott Balestier|Wolcott Balestier]], Kipling’s brother-in-law (1892); ''[[Many Inventions]]'' (1893); the two ''[[The Jungle Book|Jungle]] [[The Second Jungle Book|Books]]'' (1894–1895); ''[[The Seven Seas]]'' (1896); and ''[[Captains Courageous]]'' (1897). Kipling was again in the United States in 1899, when he suffered from a severe illness. In the same year he visited the scene of war in South&lt;section end=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;'''KIOWA''', kē'''′'''ō̇-wȧ. An important Plains tribe, apparently constituting a distinct linguistic slock. The popular name is a corruption of ''Kâ-i-gwǔ'', the name by which they call themselves. According to their own traditions, which are borne out by those of other tribes, they at one time lived in the Rocky Mountains of western Montana on the headwaters of the Missouri and Columbia rivers. From this position they moved out into the plains and formed an alliance with the Crow, for whom them still entertain a friendly feeling. Following the buffalo herds and pressed by the Sioux and Cheyenne, they moved southward, halting for a time in the Black Hills, then making their camps upon the Platte, and later still upon the upper Arkansas. Here they first came into contact with the Comanche farther to the south, with whom they carried on war for some time. Since 1790 these tribes have acted as confederates. At a later period the Kiowa made peace with the Cheyenne and Arapahoe. They were noted as one of the most hostile and unruly tribes of the plains, and maintained almost constant warfare along the American and Mexican frontiers until the great Treaty of Medicine Lodge, Kansas, in 1867, when, with the Cheyenne, Arapahoe, Comanche, and Kiowa-Apache, they consented to give up their free range and come upon reservations in what is now Oklahoma. They were slow to move, however, and it required a winter campaign by Custer the next year to bring them in. In 1874 they again broke out, together with most of the other four tribes, but were subdued the next year by Mackenzie, who shot their ponies, confiscated their arms, and deported a number of their chiefs and warriors to Florida. Since then they have remained quietly upon their reservation, which was thrown open by treaty in 1901, so that they are now in law American citizens. The majority now occupy houses and wear civilized dress, instead of the tipi and G-string, the change having come within the past few years. In other respects they retain most of their primitive customs and habit of thought. Their great annual ceremony was the {{NIE article link|sun dance|Sun Dance|nosc=yes}} (q.v.), and their great tribal palladium was the Taimé, a stone image somewhat resembling a human figure. They did not have the clan system, but were subdivided into six recognized bands, and had a well-organized military order of six degrees. They have also a pictograph calendar running back some seventy years. Associated with them, and constituting one of the six bands of their tribal circle, is a small tribe of Athapascan stock, locally known as Kiowa-Apache. The term is a misnomer, however, excepting as it indicates the remote stock affinity; for these people, who call themselves ''Nadíishañ-dína'', have come down along the plains, and have no tradition of a time when they were not associated with the Kiowa. The greatest strength of the Kiowa at any time within a century was probably less than 1800. They number now about 1100, while the Kiowa-Apache number 160.

Consult Mooney, “Calendar History of the Kiowa Indians,” in ''Seventeenth Report of Bureau of American Ethnology'' (Washington, 1898).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;'''KIP''', {{sc|Leonard}} (1826–). An American author, born in New York, and educated at Trinity College, Hartford. He studied law and long practiced in Albany where he was for ten years president of the institute. Besides contributing to periodicals, he published ''California Sketches'' (1850); ''Volcano Diggings'' (1851); ''Ænone'' (1866); ''The Dead Marquise'' (1873); ''Hannibal’s War'' (1878); ''Under the Bells'' (1879); and ''Nestlenook'' (1880).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s4&quot; /&gt;[[Author:William Ingraham Kip|'''KIP''', {{sc|William Ingraham}}]] (1811–93). An American bishop of the Episcopal Church. He was born in New York City, of Breton ancestry; graduated at Yale in 1831, and at the General Theological Seminary in 1835, after studying law. He was rector of Saint Peter’s, Albany, from 1838 to 1853, and in the latter year was chosen missionary bishop of California, where he became bishop four years after. Among his works are: ''The Lenten Fast'' (1843); ''Early Jesuit Missions in North America'' (1846); ''The Catacombs of Rome'' (1854); ''The Olden Time in New York'' (1872); and ''The Church and the Apostles'' (1877).
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s5&quot; /&gt;'''KIPCHAK''', kĭp-chäk'''′'''. A Mongol khanate. See {{NIE article link|Kiptchak}}.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s6&quot; /&gt;[[Author:Joseph Rudyard Kipling|'''KIP′LING''', ({{sc|Joseph}}) {{sc|Rudyard}}]] (1865–). An English fiction-writer and poet. He was born in Bombay, December 30, 1805, the son of John Lockwood Kipling, who was for many years connected with the schools of art at Bombay '''and''' Lahore, in India. His mother, Alice Macdonald, was the daughter of a Methodist clergyman at Endon, Staffordshire. At the age of five, Kipling was brought to England, and in 1878 he entered the United Service College, at Westward Ho, Devonshire, editing while there the ''College Chronicle'', for which he wrote verse and prose. On his school life he drew freely for the incidents narrated in ''[[Stalky &amp; Co.]]'' (1899). Returning to India, he joined the editorial staff of the Lahore ''Civil and Military Gazette'' (1882–1887), and afterwards became assistant editor of the ''Pioneer'' at Allahabad (1887–1889). To these and other papers he contributed satirical verses and sketches of Anglo-Indian life. ''Schoolboy Lyrics'' (1881) was followed by ''Echoes'' (1884), ''Departmental Ditties'' (1880), and ''[[Plain Tales from the Hills]]'' (1888). The last two represent the best of his early work in verse and prose. In 1888 he published, at Allahabad: ''[[Soldiers Three]]'', ''[[The Story of the Gadsbys|The Gadsbys]]'', ''[[In Black and White]]'', ''[[Under the Deodars]]'', ''[[The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Tales|The Phantom Rickshaw and Other Tales]]'', and ''[[Wee Willie Winkie, and other stories|Wee Willie Winkie and Other Child Stories]]''.

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For this A. Newton suggested the substitution
of ‘Holarctic,’ which Heilprin at once adopted.
More recently Gadow has used ‘Periarctic’ as a
synonym, on the ground that it is more precise.
Its faunal characteristics are those sketched
in the first paragraph, with the omission of such
forms as are exclusively Ethiopian (Africa, south
of the Sahara) or Oriental (the Asiatic coast
and islands south of the Himalayan watershed).
The faunal agreement between North America and
the northern part of the Old World is greater
than any differences. There are few families
not represented in both, and the distinctive animals are mainly local genera or species, while
a great many apparently identical forms occur
on both continents, having a circumpolar distribution due either to their powers of travel or
to ancient land connections. Consult: Heilprin,
''Geographical and Geological Distribution of Animals'' (New York, 1887); Newton, ''Dictionary of Birds'' (New York, 1896); and the authorities
referred to under {{NIE article link|Distribution of Animals}}. See
also {{NIE article link|Nearctic Region}}; {{NIE article link|Palearctic Region}}.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Holbach, Paul Henri Thyry n’, Baron&quot; /&gt;'''HOLBACH,''' {{NIE key|ō̇l′bäɢ}}, {{sc|Paul Henri Thyry D'}},
Baron (1723–89). A French philosopher of the
eighteenth century, and one of the Encyclopædists. (See {{NIE article link|Encyclopédie}}.) He was born
of wealthy parents, at Heidelsheim, in the
Palatinate, in 1723. At an early age he went
to Paris, where he continued to reside during
the remainder of his life. As Holbach was remarkable for his agreeable social qualities, and
kept a good table, the most eminent thinkers and
writers of the day, such as Condorcet, Diderot,
Duclos, Helvétius, Raynal, Rousseau, Buffon, etc.,
were in the habit of assembling at his house. The
witty Abbé Galiani called Holbach the ''maître
d’hôtel'' of philosophy. Here speculation, it is
said, was carried to such daring lengths that
Buffon, D’Alembert, and Rousseau were compelled to withdraw from the circle. Holbach
was the zealous champion of naturalism, and
contended not only against Christianity, but
against all positive religion. His principal
work, the ''Système de la nature'' (published
anonymously in 1770), has been called the “Bible
of Naturalism.” In this work the author endeavors to expound the principles of morality
upon a sensualistic, materialistic, deterministic,
egoistic, and atheistic basis. For him God is
only an ideal being, created by kings and priests.
The work is in no sense original, but gives
voice to the materialism of the French philosophes of the eighteenth century, which is nowhere more openly advocated than in the writings
of Holbach. He was a man of good heart, and, in
spite of his theory, of most unselfish benevolence.
When the Jesuits fell into disgrace during the
reign of Louis XV., Holbach, though he hated
their system and had written against them in
the days of their prosperity, made his house an
asylum for his old foes when the clouds gathered
around them. Many anonymous works besides the
''Système'' have been attributed to Holbach. Consult: Avezac-Lavigne, ''Diderot et la société dubaron d’Holbach'' (Paris, 1878); Morley, &quot;Three
Works of the Eighteenth Century Century, I. Holbach’s
System of Nature,&quot; in ''Fortnightly Review'' (London, 1877); id., ''Diderot and the Encyclopædists''
(London, 1878; 2d ed. 1886).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Holbein, Hans (the Elder)&quot; /&gt;'''HOLBEIN,''' {{NIE key|hō̇l′bīn}}, {{sc|Hans}}, the Elder (c. 1460–1524). A noted German painter, whose reputation was for a long time overshadowed by that
of his celebrated son, Hans the Younger, to whom
most of the elder master’s finest productions were
formerly attributed. But little is known of his
life. He was born at Augsburg, the son of the
tanner Michael Holbein, and resided there at intervals for many years, alternately prosperous and
in want, first mentioned in the rate-books of the
city in 1494. He became a citizen of Ulm in
1499, and two years later visited Frankfort. After
1516 he lived at a short distance from Augsburg,
and in 1517 wandered off to paint an altarpiece
at Isenheim, in Alsace, where he died. The name
of his master is not known: that he worked for
some time in the studio of Martin Schongauer at
Colmar is a mere surmise suggested by a certain
resemblance of style, especially in the types of
his heads. Undoubtedly Holbein formed his style
on the models of the early Flemish school, and
subsequently modified it by yielding to local tradition and Italian influences. In his early pictures slender figures, mild and regular features,
staidness of attitude, and a clear transparency
of tone unrelieved by depth of shadow, are the
prevailing characteristics. To this class belong
the “Virgin and Child, with Two Angels,” in
Sankt Moritz Chapel, Nuremberg, and a “Virgin
and Child Enthroned, with Angels,” in the Landauer Brüderhaus in that city. Of a similar
stamp are four altar panels (1493), representing “Joachim’s Sacrifice,” “Birth and Presentation of Mary,” and “Presentation of Christ,” in
the Cathedral of Augsburg. Somewhat less
marked is the Flemish origin of the master’s
manner in a series of “Scenes from the Passion”
(1499), and the altarpiece (1499) with the
“Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore” in the centre, “Coronation of the Virgin” above it, the
“Nativity” and “Martyrdom of Saint Dorothea”
in the wings, both in the gallery at Augsburg.
To the year 1499 belongs also the “Death of
the Virgin” in the Basel Museum. In Frankfort
he painted for the Dominicans a composite altarpiece (1501), comprising the “Last Supper,”
“Entry of Christ Into Jerusalem,” “Expulsion
of the Jews from the Temple,” etc., and “Seven
Scenes from the Passion,” now all in the Städel
Institute at Frankfort. Of the same period are
the “Crucifixion,” “Descent from the Cross,” and
“Entombment,” also “Sixteen Scenes from the
Life of Mary,” all parts of a large altarpiece
(1502) in the Old Pinakothek at Munich; a
“Transfiguration” (1502) and “Christ Crowned
with Thorns,” both in the Augsburg Gallery.
A marked progress in the master’s manner is
to be noticed in the “Life of Saint Paul” (1504),
in its more ideal conception, correct drawing,
and delicate execution, and of traditional interest as containing the portraits of the artist
and his two sons, Ambrosius and Hans. The influence of the Italian Renaissance is still more
apparent in the greater expressiveness and
beauty of coloring displayed in the “Saint
Catharine Altar” (1512), this and the preceding also in the Augsburg Gallery; but his
maturest work is the “Martyrdom of Saint
Sebastian” (1515–16), in the Pinakothek at
Munich, a composition full of dramatic power,
far transcending any of his previous efforts. His
last important work was probably the “Fountain
of Life” (1519), in the royal palace at Lisbon.
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painter, and his rare gift for characterization is
apparent especially in the numerous head studies,
mostly in silver point, distributed in various collections, among which those in Berlin, Copenhagen, and Basel are the richest. The museum at
Basel also possesses a number of sketches for
his religious paintings.

His brother {{sc|Sigismund}} (?-1540) first appears
on the rate-books of Augsburg in 1504, and in
1519 removed to Bern, where he died, making
his nephew, Hans the Younger, his heir. There
is very little doubt that he assisted the elder
master in several of his most important works,
although no single picture can be traced to him
directly. {{sc|Ambrosius}} (c.1494-c.1519), son and
pupil of Hans the Elder, was born in Augsburg,
and, with his brother, Hans the Younger, was
sent to Basel about 1515, when both were engaged chiefly in designing title-pages, initials,
and other illustrations for books. In 1517 he
was admitted into the guild ‘Zum Himmel,’ and
acquired the freedom of the city in the year following, but all trace of him is lost after 1519.
The museum at Basel preserves three authenticated paintings by him: “Christ Crowned with
Thorns” and two “Bust Portraits of Boys,” besides which the portrait of the goldsmith Georg
Schweiger, of Augsburg, may also be attributed
to him with tolerable certainty. A portrait of
a young man (1518) is in the Hermitage at Saint
Petersburg. Consult: The biography of Holbein
the Elder, by Stödtner (Berlin, 1896 et seq.);
also Woltmann, ''Holbein und seine Zeit'' (Leipzig, 1873–76).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Holbein, Hans (the Younger)&quot; /&gt;'''HOLBEIN,''' {{sc|Hans}}, the Younger (1497–1543).
A German painter and designer, one of the chief
masters of the German Renaissance. He was a
son of Hans Holbein the Elder, and was born at
Augsburg, where he studied with his father and
with Hans Burgkmair. Two of the works which
he probably painted in his father’s workshop
survive: a “Madonna” (1514), in the Museum of
Basel, and “Christ Dragged to the Crucifixion,”
in the Gallery at Karlsruhe. Both resemble the
work of his father, to whom the latter picture has
also been ascribed.

About 1515 we find Holbein at Basel, where
he and his elder brother Ambrosius had probably
come to make illustrations for books; Basel was
then an important centre of the book trade. Here
Hans was introduced into the classic world, especially through his association with Beatus Rhenanus, corrector for the printer Froben. This
influence is revealed in the table-plate in the
Museum of Zurich, which he painted for the
family Baer, with scenes of hunting, fishing, and
knightly tourneys, and in his eighty-three pen
drawings for Erasmus’s Praise of Folly, which
are in the Museum of Basel. These drawings are
a curious mixture of the coarse style of the fifteenth century and the finer finish of the sixteenth. They show a great master at the beginning of his powers. The Museum of Basel also
contains other characteristic works of 1516: a
sign for a school-master, on which are painted
two school scenes; the portraits of Burgomaster
Jakob Meyer, of his wife, and of Hans Herbst,
the painter in whose workshop Holbein worked
before he became a member of the painters’ guild.

In 1517 he went to Lucerne to decorate the
façade and interior of the house of Jakob Hertenstein. These paintings have perished, but the
original pen design in the Museum of Basel shows
that the façade was decorated with classical subjects, completely in the style of the sixteenth
century, and that he was influenced by the study
of Mantegna’s prints. In 1518 he probably traveled in Lombardy, visiting Milan. The influence
of the Lombard school may be seen in Holbein’s
treatment of form after 1518, and in his “Last
Supper” (Basel Museum), which closely resembles Leonardo’s masterpiece at Milan.

In 1519 Holbein entered the painters’ guild of
Basel, and in the following year he became a citizen. During the next few years he decorated the
façades of a number of houses at Basel, chief
among which was the “Hans zum Tanz,” of which
the original pen design is in the Museum, with
architectural decorations, and a representation of
peasants dancing. He also began his extensive
decorations of the council chamber, with antique
historical subjects representing civic virtue and
justice, and with allegorical figures. On the organ doors of the Minster of Basel he painted, in
brown monochrome, grandiose figures of saints
and angels singing. Among his panel pictures is
an altarpiece of “Passion Scenes” of great dramatic power and fine effects of light and shade,
and the “Dead Body of Christ” (1521), of striking, almost repulsive realism—all in the Museum
of Basel. Among other works of this period is
the “Madonna with Saints Ursus and Martin”
(1522), in the Museum of Solothurn.

Holbein’s best-known work is the “Madonna of
Burgomaster Meyer,” painted in 1525 or 1526,
which holds the same rank in German painting as
the “Sistine Madonna” in Italian. The original
is in the Gallery of Darmstadt, the Dresden example
having been proved to be
an excellent
copy by a Netherlander of the seventeenth century. Especially fine, in this picture, are the
portraits of the kneeling Burgomaster and his
family, and the nude figure of his youngest son
—a cherub worthy of Correggio.

His portraits of this period include the refined
face of Bonifazius Amerbach (1519), the first
great German art collector, and three likenesses
of Erasmus, who was then a resident of Basel—two in profile, at Basel and in the Louvre, and a
larger three-quarter view in Longford Castle.
Holbein’s mastery of female portraiture is shown
in his two allegorical representations of Dorothea
Offenburg in the Basel Museum—“The Lais Corinthiaca” (1526), and another portrait in which
she is represented with Cupid.

At the same time Holbein was occupied with
other forms of design. Among his drawings of
the period are two admirable youths, one a pencil,
supposed to represent Holbein himself, the other
a chalk drawing in the Museum of Basel. One of
his favorite subjects was the contemporary German “Lanzknechte” (soldiers), in various actions
and attitudes. To the same period belong his
drawings of Basler female costumes, which may
have been designs for actual use. His designs
for glass-painting in the Basel Museum include
ten wash drawings of “Passion Scenes,” the
equals of the painted series mentioned above,
Madonnas and other biblical subjects, and coats
of arms-all in beautiful Renaissance framing.
As a designer for wood-cuts Holbein is second
only to Dürer. He left over three hundred blocks,
the best of which were cut by Hans Lützelburger.
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Veteris Instrumenti Icones” (“Pictures
from the Old Testament”), ninety-one plates,
were first published together at Lyons in 1538.
Best known of all is his “Dance of Death,”
fifty-eight plates in all, replete with humor and
satire upon the ecclesiastical and social conditions of the day. It was published in book form
at Lyons in 1538, and has been often republished;
good modern edition is that of Lippmann (Berlin, 1878).
a
The advent of the Reformation and the consequent disturbances in Basel were the chief
cause of Holbein’s journey to England in 1526.
Equipped with recommendations from his friend
Erasmus, he found a ready welcome in the house
of Sir Thomas More at Southwark. His activity
during his stay there, which lasted two years,
may best be studied in the fine series of chalk
drawings at Windsor Castle (published in London, 1884). In 1527 he painted Sir Thomas
More, now in possession of Henry Huth, London;
Sir Henry Guildford, in Windsor Castle; and
Archbishop Warham, of Canterbury, in Lambeth
Palace (replica in the Louvre), the best of alla wonderful piece of realism and strength.
Among his portraits of 1528 are those of Nicholas
Kratzer, the King’s astrologer, in the Louvre, and
of Thomas Godsalve and his son John, at Dresden. His famous picture of More and his family
is lost, but the studies for the heads are at
Windsor, and the pen sketch which he took for
Erasmus is still at Basel.
He returned to Basel in 1529 and purchased a
house. But during his stay the storm of iconoclasm broke over the city, and the demand for
religious pictures ceased. Holbein, indeed, finished his frescoes in the Council Chamber, adding two large subjects from the Old Testament,
“Samuel Reproving Saul” and “Rehoboam’s
Pride.” Both paintings are lost, but the sketches
in the Museum of Basel, masterly in composition
and dramatic action, show Holbein as a great historical painter. In 1529 he painted a highly realistic portrait of his wife and two children on
paper (Basel Museum), two portraits of Erasmus (Parma and Basel), and one of Melanchthon (Hanover). In 1532, notwithstanding the
efforts of the Burgomaster and Council of Basel
to retain him, he returned to England.
On his arrival at London he resided with the
German merchants of the Steelyard, with whom
he found occupation. In 1532 and in the following years he painted a number of portraits of
these merchants, of which examples survive at
Vienna, Windsor, Munich, Brunswick, and Petworth. The best is that of George Gysse (1532),
in the Museum of Berlin, remarkable for strong
character and the detailed finish of the accessories. On the occasion of Anne Boleyn’s coronation he designed for the German merchants an
allegorical pageant of Parnassus; he decorated
their guild-hall with two large paintings, of
which there are sketches in the Louvre, “Triumph
of Riches” and “Triumph of Poverty.” It is not
known when he first entered Henry VIII.'s service, but in 1536 we find him mentioned as the
King’s painter. In 1537 he was sent to Brussels
to portray Christina of Denmark, Duchess of
Milan, whom the King thought of marrying, and
in 1539 to portray Anne of Cleves, whose portrait, now in the Louvre, had much to do with
the King’s marrying her. His chief work for
Henry VIII. was a group painted on the wall
of the Privy Chamber at Whitehall, in 1537, representing the King with his father and mother
and Jane Seymour. This painting was destroyed
in the fire of 1698, but the cartoon of the King
is at Hardwick Hall, and there are several copies
of the portrait, the best known of which is at
Windsor Castle. Holbein painted another excellent portrait of Jane Seymour, now in the Gallery of Vienna, and of Edward, Prince of Wales,
at Hanover. The King also commissioned him to
design various decorations, especially in the goldsmith’s art, in which he acquitted himself with
great taste and ability, as is evident from the
original designs in the British Museum and elsewhere. In 1538 he visited Basel, where he was
banqueted by the council, and he promised to return after two years, which promise, however, he
did not keep.
His principal portraits, executed during his
last stay in England, besides those mentioned
above, are “The Ambassadors” (1533), in the
National Gallery; Robert Cheeseman (1533), the
King’s falconer, at The Hague; Thomas Cromwell, at Tittenhanger; Hubert Morett, at Dresden; Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk, at
Windsor; two “Unknown Men” at Berlin and
Vienna, and an “Unknown Woman” at Vienna;
Melchior Maag (1543), in the Huybrecht collection, Antwerp; Dr. John Chambers, the King’s
physician, at Windsor. He also painted a number of miniatures, among which is that of Queen
Catharine Howard in the library at Windsor, and
executed a number of important designs for woodengravings, including the title-page of Coverdale’s Bible, illustrations of Cranmer’s catechism,
and “King Henry in Council,” the title-page of
Hall’s Chronicle.
Holbein died of the pestilence in London in the
autumn of 1543. He is chiefly known as a portrait painter, but his religious pictures, and
especially his mural decorations, show that, had
the opportunity presented itself, he might have
been one of the greatest historical painters of all
times. His portraits are absolutely true to nature, yet show a wonderful interpretation of character. The excellence of his drawing is attested
by his large number of chalk and other drawings,
especially in the Museum of Basel and in Windsor Castle. His method in portraiture seems to
have been to make a careful chalk drawing of
the sitter, which he afterwards transferred to the
canvas. Holbein is by far the greatest colorist of
the German school, and although the details of
his portraits are highly finished, they in no wise
interfere with the general effect. As a designer
for wood-engraving he showed a thorough understanding of the art, combined with a fantasy and
humor which have seldom been surpassed.
Consult: Woltmann, Hans Holbein und seine
Zeit (Leipzig, 1874–76); Wornum, Life and
Works of Holbein (London, 1866); A. Schmid,
Holbein des Jüngeren Entwickelung 1515–26
(Basel, 1892). See also the biographies of Cundall (London, 1879); Knackfuss (Bielefeld,
1897); and of Wessely, in Dohme’s Kunst und
Künstler Deutschlands (Leipzig, 1877). For
reproductions of Holbein’s works, compare Mantz,
Hans Holbein (Paris, 1879); Hiis, Dessins
d’ornements de Hans Holbein (ib., 1886).

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Veteris Instrumenti Icones” (“Pictures
from the Old Testament”), ninety-one plates,
were first published together at Lyons in 1538.
Best known of all is his “Dance of Death,”
fifty-eight plates in all, replete with humor and
satire upon the ecclesiastical and social conditions of the day. It was published in book form
at Lyons in 1538, and has been often republished;
a good modern edition is that of Lippmann (Berlin, 1878).

The advent of the Reformation and the consequent disturbances in Basel were the chief
cause of Holbein’s journey to England in 1526.
Equipped with recommendations from his friend
Erasmus, he found a ready welcome in the house
of Sir Thomas More at Southwark. His activity
during his stay there, which lasted two years,
may best be studied in the fine series of chalk
drawings at Windsor Castle (published in London, 1884). In 1527 he painted Sir Thomas
More, now in possession of Henry Huth, London;
Sir Henry Guildford, in Windsor Castle; and
Archbishop Warham, of Canterbury, in Lambeth
Palace (replica in the Louvre), the best of all—a wonderful piece of realism and strength.
Among his portraits of 1528 are those of Nicholas
Kratzer, the King’s astrologer, in the Louvre, and
of Thomas Godsalve and his son John, at Dresden. His famous picture of More and his family
is lost, but the studies for the heads are at
Windsor, and the pen sketch which he took for
Erasmus is still at Basel.

He returned to Basel in 1529 and purchased a
house. But during his stay the storm of iconoclasm broke over the city, and the demand for
religious pictures ceased. Holbein, indeed, finished his frescoes in the Council Chamber, adding two large subjects from the Old Testament,
“Samuel Reproving Saul” and “Rehoboam’s
Pride.” Both paintings are lost, but the sketches
in the Museum of Basel, masterly in composition
and dramatic action, show Holbein as a great historical painter. In 1529 he painted a highly realistic portrait of his wife and two children on
paper (Basel Museum), two portraits of Erasmus (Parma and Basel), and one of Melanchthon (Hanover). In 1532, notwithstanding the
efforts of the Burgomaster and Council of Basel
to retain him, he returned to England.

On his arrival at London he resided with the
German merchants of the Steelyard, with whom
he found occupation. In 1532 and in the following years he painted a number of portraits of
these merchants, of which examples survive at
Vienna, Windsor, Munich, Brunswick, and Petworth. The best is that of George Gysse (1532),
in the Museum of Berlin, remarkable for strong
character and the detailed finish of the accessories. On the occasion of Anne Boleyn’s coronation he designed for the German merchants an
allegorical pageant of Parnassus; he decorated
their guild-hall with two large paintings, of
which there are sketches in the Louvre, “Triumph
of Riches” and “Triumph of Poverty.” It is not
known when he first entered Henry VIII.’s service, but in 1536 we find him mentioned as the
King’s painter. In 1537 he was sent to Brussels
to portray Christina of Denmark, Duchess of
Milan, whom the King thought of marrying, and
in 1539 to portray Anne of Cleves, whose portrait, now in the Louvre, had much to do with
the King’s marrying her. His chief work for
Henry VIII. was a group painted on the wall
of the Privy Chamber at Whitehall, in 1537, representing the King with his father and mother
and Jane Seymour. This painting was destroyed
in the fire of 1698, but the cartoon of the King
is at Hardwick Hall, and there are several copies
of the portrait, the best known of which is at
Windsor Castle. Holbein painted another excellent portrait of Jane Seymour, now in the Gallery of Vienna, and of Edward, Prince of Wales,
at Hanover. The King also commissioned him to
design various decorations, especially in the goldsmith’s art, in which he acquitted himself with
great taste and ability, as is evident from the
original designs in the British Museum and elsewhere. In 1538 he visited Basel, where he was
banqueted by the council, and he promised to return after two years, which promise, however, he
did not keep.

His principal portraits, executed during his
last stay in England, besides those mentioned
above, are “The Ambassadors” (1533), in the
National Gallery; Robert Cheeseman (1533), the
King’s falconer, at The Hague; Thomas Cromwell, at Tittenhanger; Hubert Morett, at Dresden; Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk, at
Windsor; two “Unknown Men” at Berlin and
Vienna, and an “Unknown Woman” at Vienna;
Melchior Maag (1543), in the Huybrecht collection, Antwerp; Dr. John Chambers, the King’s
physician, at Windsor. He also painted a number of miniatures, among which is that of Queen
Catharine Howard in the library at Windsor, and
executed a number of important designs for wood-engravings, including the title-page of Coverdale’s Bible, illustrations of Cranmer’s catechism,
and “King Henry in Council,” the title-page of
Hall’s ''Chronicle''.

Holbein died of the pestilence in London in the
autumn of 1543. He is chiefly known as a portrait painter, but his religious pictures, and
especially his mural decorations, show that, had
the opportunity presented itself, he might have
been one of the greatest historical painters of all
times. His portraits are absolutely true to nature, yet show a wonderful interpretation of character. The excellence of his drawing is attested
by his large number of chalk and other drawings,
especially in the Museum of Basel and in Windsor Castle. His method in portraiture seems to
have been to make a careful chalk drawing of
the sitter, which he afterwards transferred to the
canvas. Holbein is by far the greatest colorist of
the German school, and although the details of
his portraits are highly finished, they in no wise
interfere with the general effect. As a designer
for wood-engraving he showed a thorough understanding of the art, combined with a fantasy and
humor which have seldom been surpassed.

Consult: Woltmann, ''Hans Holbein und seine Zeit'' (Leipzig, 1874–76); Wornum, ''Life and Works of Holbein'' (London, 1866); A. Schmid,
''Holbein des Jüngeren Entwickelung'' 1515–26
(Basel, 1892). See also the biographies of Cundall (London, 1879); Knackfuss (Bielefeld,
1897); and of Wessely, in Dohme’s ''Kunst und Künstler Deutschlands'' (Leipzig, 1877). For
reproductions of Holbein’s works, compare Mantz,
''Hans Holbein'' (Paris, 1879); His, ''Dessins d’ornements de Hans Holbein'' (ib., 1886).

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Holberg, Ludvig, Baron&quot; /&gt;'''HOLBERG,''' {{NIE key|hō̇lběrᴋ}}, {{sc|Ludvig}}, Baron (1684–1754). A Danish poet, novelist, and historian,
born at Bergen, Norway. He is called the ‘father
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COMMERCE. 
and Augsburg — through which trade flowed in- 
land, vied with Venice as centres of the Eastern 
trade. The ports of I'rance and Spain were l)usy 
distributing centres. At the close of the Mid- 
dle Ages, Antwerp, having outstripped Bruges 
and Ghent, became the greatest mart in Chris- 
tendom. The inventions and discoveries of the 
fifteenth century transferred the centres of trade 
successively to Lisbon, Amsterdam, and London. 
The mariner's compass made distant voyages pos- 
sible on the open sea. By 14S7 the Portuguese 
had explored the whole western coast of Africa, 
and in 145)7 Vasco da Gama passed round the 
Cape of Good Hope, to land in India in the fol- 
lowing year. Before the end of the centuiy Co- 
lumbus had thrice crossed the Atlantic, and 
Cabot, sent out by England, had discovered North 
America. Nearly all this daring enterprise had 
for its prime object the finding of some easy 
route to the fabulously wealthy East, to India 
and China. But a centurj- elapsed before the 
English fixed their first establishment or factory 
in India. The discovery of the New World, how- 
ever, was destined eventually to change the 
course and the nature of trade. 
From such rapidly spreading exploration and 
colonization there necessarily arose new wants, 
new products, new manufactures, and rapidly 
increasing trade; interrupted more or less by 
wars, but in the main marching steadily and 
rapidly on. The nineteenth century witnessed 
an extension of the commercial relations of man- 
kind to which there is no parallel in history. 
The history of commerce in the past century 
vould be an epitome of the world's economic de- 
velo]iment during its most intense and active 
period, and any enumeration of the causes of 
the tremendous strides which commerce has 
made must be p.artial. The progress of coloniza- 
tion in the widest sense, and the improvement 
of the means of transportation, are primary fac- 
tors which cannot be overlooked. In the nine- 
teenth century the greater part of the North 
American continent was opened up to occupa- 
tion, Australia and South Africa were peopled 
by men of white race, while large portions of 
Asia were brought luider the influence of West- 
ern rule or Western ideas. This, together with 
the great increase of population in Europe, has 
greatly augmented the productive power and con- 
suming power of widely distant parts of the 
earth, dependent upon commerce for the supply 
of their mutual wants. Application of steam 
to transportation alike by land and by water 
has intensified the progress of colonization as 
we have here used the term, and made possible 
the commerce which has resulted from it. 
In 1819 the Atlantic Ocean was first crossed by 
a steam vessel, and regular transatlantic steam 
communication was inaugurated in 1838. Since 
then the increase of steam navigation has been 
rapid, particularly in the last fifty years, until 
now the greater part of maritime navigation is 
carried on by steamships. Their far greater bulk 
and greater speed have led to the gradual dis- 
placement of the old sailing ships, and have 
greatly nuiltiplied the potentialities of foreign 
commerce. The railway has been a factor of 
the greatest consequence in the development of 
sea-home traftie. Before its advent it was only 
the produce of coast regions, or of those parts 
adjacent to inland waterways, which could par- 
ticipate in the foreign trade. But the raihoad 
has utterly changed this condition. Of great 
importance, too, has been the influence of the 
telegrapli in transmitting orders and other com- 
nuniications between distant points without loss 
of time. These developments have made it pos- 
sible to transport long distances not only goods 
whose weiglit formerly debarred them from a 
l&gt;lace in foreign commerce, but also more perish- 
able goods which, under the slower transporta- 
tion of earlier days, could not be handled. 
Some notion of the rapid development of com- 
merce can be gained from the statement that the 
aggregate exports and imports of the United 
States, which in 1701 were .$43,000,000. reached 
in 18.50 .$318,000,000, and in the fiscal vear end- 
ing .June 30, 1900, $2,244,000,000. For a com- 
parison with earlier dates, we may select a few 
figures for Great Britain and Ireland, which show 
the development of commerce in the past three 
hundred vears : 
YEARS 
Imports 
Exports 
Combined 
Imports and 
Exports 
1613 
£2,141,151 
4.016.019 
4.526,579 
11,002.000 
28,258,000 
143,542.850 
420.885.695 
523,633,486 
£2.487,435 
2,022.812 
6.644,103 
12.142.000 
34.382.000 
116.091.310 
327,880,670 
354,550,594 
£4.628,586 
1662 
6.038.831 
1703 
11,170.683 
1770 
23.144.000 
1800 
62.640,000 
1865 
260.234.160 
1890 
748.766.371 
1900 
878.184.080 
World's Commerce. The aggregate commerce 
of the world was computed in 1890, for the total 
of exports and imports, at approximately $17,- 
f.00,000.000. The following statement, &quot; which 
gives the figures, so far as they are available, 
for the trade of 1901. gives some notion of the 
relative positions occupied by some of the lead- 
ing nations: 
IMPORTS AND EXPORTS 
COU.XTRIES 
United .States 
United Kingdom 
Germany 
France 
Switzerland 
Belgium 
Italy (11 months) 
Austria 
Spain (11 mouths) 
Bulgaria 
Russia (9 months) 
Canada* 
Mexico * 
Brazil (7 months) 
Argentina 
Uruguay (9 months) 
Egypt 
British India* 
Cape Colony (11 months) 
Imports 
$880, 
2.641. 
1.420. 
909. 
211, 
425, 
320. 
:M6. 
148, 
13, 
205. 
190. 
65, 
49, 
109, 
IS, 
75, 
296. 
87. 
421.000 
476.000 
150.000 
907.KOO 
937.800 
690,800 
708.200 
587.000 
109,400 
518.500 
556.600 
415,000 
083.400 
117,700 
971, 1(K) 
797,100 
355,700 
772,700 
749.800 
Exports 
$1,46.-), 
1,365, 
1.130, 
804, 
160, 
3,52, 
249, 
883, 
117. 
15, 
272, 
177, 
70, 
94, 
161, 
22. 
77. 
367. 
44. 
,380.900 
048.400 
738,900 
069,800 
,550.600 
,666,800 
,232.100 
.507.600 
,078.600 
,974.600 
,048.200 
,039.000 
860,400 
628.000 
846.000 
352.400 
753.800 
642.000 
796.600 
* Fiscal year 1900-01. 
CoMsrEROE OF THE UNITED STATES. Turning 
now more especially to the eonunerce of the 
United States in recent years, we present a few 
figures showing the origin and destination of 
imports and exports, and the character of the 
goods imported. In the following table the fig- 
ures for lsn.5, the year showing the smallest 
trade of the last decade of the nineteenth cen- 
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valid. Consult: Lawrence, ''Principles of International Law'' (London and New York, 1897), and
also the authorities referred to under {{NIE article link|International Law}}. See {{NIE article link|Allegiance}}; {{NIE article link|Cession}}; {{NIE article link|Citizen}}; {{NIE article link|Title}}.

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquest&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conquest, Ida&quot; /&gt;'''CONQUEST,''' {{sc|Ida}}. An American actress, who
made her début at the Tremont Theatre, Boston,
in 1892, with Alexander Salvini, in a performance of ''Rohan the Silent''. She is the daughter of
a merchant of Boston, where she pursued her
dramatic studies, and, when a child, played the
part of Little Buttercup in ''Pinafore'', at the Boston Museum. She has since appeared in a
number of successful pieces, among them ''The Charity Ball'' and ''Americans Abroad'', under Daniel
Frohman’s management; ''Liberty Hall'' and ''Under the Red Robe'', with the Empire Theatre Company,
which she joined in 1895; ''Too Much Johnson'', in
which she played with William Gillette in London, and Gillette’s ''Because She Loved Him So'',
produced in Boston in 1898. In 1901 she appeared with John Drew in ''The Second in Command''. Consult Strang, ''Famous Actresses of the Day in America'' (Boston, 1899).

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquest, Ida&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conquest of Granada, The&quot; /&gt;'''CONQUEST OF GRANADA,''' {{NIE key|grȧ-nä′dȧ}},
{{sc|The}}. (1) A tragedy by Dryden (1672), also
called ''Almanzor and Almahyde''. (2) A brilliant
historical sketch by Washington Irving (1829)
of the taking of Granada by Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain.

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquest of Granada, The&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conquest of Mexico, The&quot; /&gt;'''CONQUEST OF MEXICO,''' {{sc|the}}. A noted
historical work by W. H. Prescott (1843),
containing the life of Hernando Cortes and an account of ancient Mexican civilization.

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquest of Mexico, The&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conquest of Peru, The&quot; /&gt;'''CONQUEST OF PERU,''' {{sc|the}}. An historical work by W. H. Prescott (1847) containing
an account of the Incas and their civilization.

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquest of Peru, The&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conquistadores&quot; /&gt;'''CONQUISTADORES,''' {{NIE key|kō̇n-kē̇s{{sm|′}}tȧ-ᴅō′rā̇s}} (Sp.,
conquerors). A collective term for the Spanish
conquerors of America, such as Cortes, Almagro,
and Pizarro.

&lt;section end=&quot;Conquistadores&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conrad I.&quot; /&gt;'''CON′RAD I.''' (?–918). King of the Germans from 911 to 918. He was the son of Conrad, Duke of Franconia, and the grandson of the
Emperor Arnulf. On the extinction of the direct
line of the Carolingians, the Germans determined
to make the sovereign dignity elective, but preferred to choose one who was related to the late 
imperial family, and elected Conrad in 911. He
was supported by the Church, but could not command the obedience of the great dukes who were
almost independent. He died December 23, 918,
and was buried at Fulda. On his death-bed he
enjoined his brother to carry the royal insignia
to his mortal enemy, Duke Henry of Saxony,
with whom he had been continually at war since
{{asc|{{asc|A.D.}}}} 912. Consult: Stein, ''Geschichte des Königs Konrad I.'' (Nördlingen, 1872); Dümmler, ''Geschichte des ostfränkischen Reiches'', vol. ii.
(Leipzig, 1887).

&lt;section end=&quot;Conrad I.&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conrad II.&quot; /&gt;'''CONRAD II.''' (c.990–1039). King of the
Germans and Roman Emperor from 1024 to
1039, known as the Salic. He was the son of
Henry, Duke of Franconia, and was elected King
of the Germans in 1024, after the extinction of
the Saxon imperial line, becoming the founder
of the Franconian dynasty. Immediately after
his election he commenced a tour through Germany for the purpose of administering justice.
To ameliorate the condition of his subjects, he
instituted the {{NIE lkpl|Truce of God|Truce of God}} (q.v.). In 1026 he
crossed the Alps, chastised the rebellious Italians, was crowned at Milan as King of Italy,
and in the following year was anointed Emperor
of the Romans by the Pope. He was soon recalled to Germany by the outbreak of formidable
revolts, which he succeeded in suppressing. In
1032 he annexed the Arletan territories to the
Empire. In 1036 a rebellion in Italy again compelled him to cross the Alps; but his efforts
to restore his authority were this time unsuccessful, and he was forced to grant various privileges to his Italian subjects. Shortly after his
return he died, at Utrecht, June 3, 1039. Conrad was one of the most remarkable of the earlier monarchs of Germany. He repressed the
power of the great feudal nobles, and, by keeping the great duchies in his own family, strengthened the position of the Crown. Consult Bresslau, ''Jahrbücher des deutschen Reiches unter Konrad II.'' (Leipzig, 1879–84).

&lt;section end=&quot;Conrad II.&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conrad III.&quot; /&gt;'''CONRAD III.''' (1093–1152). King of the Germans from 1138 to 1152. He was the son of Frederick of Swabia, and the founder of the {{NIE lkpl|Hohenstaufen|Hohenstaufen}} (q.v.) dynasty. Conrad, with his elder
brother, Frederick, supported Henry V. against
his enemies, and in return that monarch granted
Conrad the investiture of the Duchy of Franconia. He subsequently contested the crown of
Italy with the Emperor Lothair of Saxony, but
without success. On the death of Lothair the
princes of Germany, fearing the increasing preponderance of the Guelph party, and attracted
by Conrad’s brilliant courage and noble character, offered him the crown, and he was accordingly elected at Aix-la-Chapelle, March 7, 1138.
He was immediately involved in a quarrel with
Henry the Proud, Duke of Bavaria and Saxony,
and this was the origin of the conflict that raged
for centuries between the Welfs or Guelphs, the
partisans of Duke Henry, and the Waiblings or
Ghibellines, the supporters of the Franconian
house. (See {{NIE article link|Guelphs And Ghibellines}}.)
In 1147 Saint Bernard of Clairvaux commenced to
preach a new crusade, and Conrad set out for
Palestine at the head of a large army (see {{NIE article link|Crusades}}), in company with his old enemy, Welf
of Bavaria. He died February 15, 1152. Consult: Bernhardi, ''Jahrbücher des deutschen Reiches unter Konrad III.'' (Leipzig, 1883);
Jaffé, ''Geschichte des deutschen Reiches unter Konrad III.'' (Hanover, 1845).

&lt;section end=&quot;Conrad III.&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conrad IV.&quot; /&gt;'''CONRAD IV.''' (1228–54). King of the Germans from 1250 to 1254. He was the son of
Frederick II., and was born at Andria, in Apulia,
April 25, 1228. He was elected King of the
Romans, in 1237, but was never crowned. Frederick II. died in 1250, and Conrad and William
of Holland contended for the imperial throne.
Unable to make head against the increasing
anarchy in Germany, Conrad retired to Italy in
1251, and succeeded in reëstablishing the power
of the Hohenstaufen in Naples in the face of the
hostility of the Papacy. He died of fever, May
20, 1254. Consult: Schirrmacher, ''Die letzten Hohenstaufen'' (Göttingen, 1871).

&lt;section end=&quot;Conrad IV.&quot; /&gt;
&lt;section begin=&quot;Conrad, Johannes&quot; /&gt;'''CONRAD,''' {{NIE key|kōn′rȧt}}, {{sc|Johannes}} (1839–). A
German political economist. He was born in
West Prussia, and was educated at Berlin and
Jena. He became successively professor of political economy at Jena and Halle, and took a
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429 
CORN LAWS. 
For GUI Cornish, consult Stokes, &quot;The Manu- 
missions in the Bodmin Gospels,&quot; lieiue ciltique, 
vol. i. (Paris, 1870). The JlidiUe Cornish vo- 
cabulary is printed in Zeuss. (Irdintnutirn 
Celt icii,' edited by Ebel (Berlin, 18()S-71). For 
the other monuments, consult: Norris, The An- 
cient Coniisli Drama (Oxford, 1859) ; Stokes, 
&quot;Pascou Agan Arluth,&quot; Transactions of the 
PhilolopicaJ Sorictij (London, 1801-62); and 
Bcunnns ilcrinsel; (ib., 1872). 
CORN LAWS. A name given in England to 
the long series of statutes dating as far back 
as the reign of Edward III., and terminating 
only in the year 1840, which had for their object 
the regulation of the trade in grain. The tenor 
of these laws varied with the idea which was 
uppermost in the minds of the legislators. At 
one time designed to secure a proper supply of 
grain, the exportation of grain was prohibited, 
or allowed only when a surplus of the home 
supply revealed itself in the low price for grain. 
Later the underlying principle was frankly the 
encouragement and support of the agricultural 
interests, resulting in the prohibition of the im- 
portation of grain, or pennitting it only when 
the price of grain was extremely high and im- 
portation seemed unavoidable to prevent famine. 
At times, moreover, in the long and varied his- 
tory of this legislation, resort was had to 
bounties as a means of encouraging and promot- 
ing home production. The shitting of legislation 
attracted little comment and less agitation until 
the beginning of the nineteenth century. At that 
time the manufacturing interests grew restive 
under the restrictions which were placed upon 
the trade in grain, and early in the century some- 
thing in the nature of a compromise was made 
by the adoption of a sliding scale in the duties 
on importation. The object of this device was to 
reduce the import duties in proportion as the 
price of grain increased, so that at famine 
prices grain might be imported duty free. By 
the act of 1828. at the price of 02s. a quarter 
for wheat, the import duty was f 1 4s. 8d. For 
every shilling less in the price, a shilling was 
added to the duty, but when the price rose 
above this point the duty decreased by a larger 
ratio than the rise in price. At the price of 
69s., the duty was 15s. 8d., and at 73s. the duty 
sank to its minimum of Is. Such an arrange- 
ment not only promoted speculative operations, 
but also prevented foreign countries from fur- 
nishing grain habitually for the British market. 
This legislation was obviously in the interest 
of the landowners, but as the tendency of Great 
Britain to be an importing rather than an 
virtually an attempt to aggrandize the landed 
interest by pressure upon the I'uikI of the peoi)le. 
The maiuifacturing interests, which were now 
rapidly coming into ])uwer, devoted their ener- 
gies to combating this principle, which increased 
the cost of living, and, through wages, the cost 
of manufacturing. Hut the public at large, 
though conscious thatthe laws were some way 
improper, or at variance with the principles of 
political economy, did not, till the very last, 
earnestly unite in calling for repeal. There 
was a ]]ticrful party who represented with won- 
derful ])huisibility that these restrictive statutes 
were identilied with the best interests of the 
country. Their arginnents might thus be sunniied 
up: (1) Protection was necessary, in order to 
keep certain poor lands in cultivation. (2) It 
was desirable to cultivate as much land as pos- 
sible in order to improve the country. (3| If 
improvement by that means Avere cheeked, Eng- 
land would be dependent on foreigners for a 
large portion of the food of the people. (4) 
Such dependence would be fraught with immense 
danger: in the event of war, su])plies might be 
stopped, or the ports might be blockaded, the 
result being famine, disease, and civil war. (5) 
The advantage gained by protection enabled the 
landed proprietors and their tenants to encourage 
manufactures and trade: so much so, that if the 
com laws were abolished, half the country shop- 
keepers would be ruined; that would be followed 
by the stoppage of many of the mills and facto- 
ries, and no one would venture to say what 
would be the final consequences. It cannot be 
uninstructive to put on record that these argu- 
ments exercised a commanding influence over the 
laboring classes, the small town shopkeepers, 
almost all the members of the learned profes- 
sions, and a considerable section of both Houses 
of Parliament. Yielding at length to the con- 
tinued agitation, and recognizing that England's 
prosperity lay in the devclnpment of her manu- 
factures rather than in the further encourage- 
ment of agriculture. Sir Robert Peel, in 1840. 
at the time' of the Irish famine, effected 
the repeal of the Corn Laws. (See Axti- 
Corn-Law League: Cobdex. Richard.) The 
area devoted to wheat cultivation in England is 
less to-day than it was fifty years ago, althougii 
the population has greatly increased. Modern 
methods of communication, however, have opened 
up new areas of supply, and the development of 
juanufactures and commerce has amply com- 
])ensated for the loss in agricultural production. 
The following table shows the immediate effect 
of the repeal of the Corn Laws: 
ImPORTS of FOHEIGX &quot;WHEAT, CtTRREST PRICES OF WHEAT. AND DeCLABED VaLCE OF .LL BRITISH EXPORTS FROM 
1801 TO 1859 
ATERAQE period of TEX YEARS 
Average amount 
ot 
wheat imported 
Averaiise price 
of wheat dnrinp 
earli [)eriod 
.Terape total de- 
clared value of all 
British exports 
1801 to 1810 
Bvebels 
600,946 
4.58.578 
.534.992 
907.638 
■ 2.877.999 
4.547,311 
«. a. 
81 5 
84 11 
58 3 
5« 10 
53 3 
64 9 
&amp; 
40.737.970 
1811 ■• 1820 
41.506.794 
1821 &quot; 18.30 
;n&gt; t;oo.53G 
1831 ■■ 1840 .-. 
45.249.()3&quot; 
18(1 &quot; 18.W 
57.412,494 
1851 &quot; 1859 
103,2.53,189 
exporting country had already become manifest, Coincidently with an increased importation 
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Rev. 0. PORTERFIELD KRAUTS, D. D., Univer- 
sity of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia. 
LUTHEBAN CHITECH. 
CHARLES G. LELAND. 
LEPSITJS, KAEL EICHABD. 
Rev. SAMUEL LOOKWOOD, Freehold, N. J. 
LEIDT, JOSEPH. 
JAMES MOCARROLL, Montreal, Canada. 
MACKENZIE, WILLIAM LTON. 
Capt. J. H. MERRYMAN, U. S, R. M., Inspector 
of Life-Saving Stations. 
LIFE-BOAT. 
Rev. FRANKLIN NOBLE. , 
KBAUTH, CHARLES PORTERFIELD, 
McCosn, JAMES, 
and other articles in biography and geography, 
Rev. BERNARD O'REILLY, D. D. 
LATEBAN, 
LAZAEISTS, 
LEO, Popes, 
and other articles in ecclesiastical history. 
Count L. F. DE POTJRTALES, Museum of Com- 
parative Zoology, Cambridge, Mass. 
MAGELLAN, STBAITS OF. 
RICHARD A. PROCTOR, A. M., London. 
LATmTDE. 
PHILIP RIPLEY. 
KOHL, JOHANN GEOKG. 
LAWEENOE, WILLIAM BEACH. 
McCABTHY, JUSTIN. 
J. L. ROSENGARTEN, Philadelphia. 
LEA, MATTHEW CABEY. 
LEA, HEN it Y CHAELES. 
Rev. PHILIP SOHAFF, D. D. 
LUTHEB, MABTIN. 
Prof. A. J. SCHEM. 
LLOEENTE, Don JITAN ANTONIO, 
LOLLAEDS, 
LOED'S SUPPEB, 
and other articles in biography and history. 
Hon. FRANCIS SCHROEDER, late U. S. Minister 
Resident at Stockholm. 
KOSCTUBZKO, TADETJSZ. 
J. G. SHEA, LL. D. 
KlOWAS. 
KLAMATHS. 
LA SALLE, KOBEBT CAVELIBB. 
Prof. J. A. SPENCER, D. D., College of the 
City of New York. 
KIP, WILLIAM INGBAHAM. 
LlTTLEDALE, ElCHABD FBEDEBICK. 
LITTLEJOHN, ABEAM NEWKIEK. 
MclLVAiNE, CHAELES PETTIT. 
MCNEILE, HUGH. 
McVicKAE, JOHN. 
Rev. WILLIAM L. SYMONDS, Portland, Me. 
KNOX, JOHN. 
LAMENNAIS, HUGUES FELICITE KOBEBT DE. 
LATIMEB, HUGH. 
LEIBNITZ, GOTTFEIED WILHELM. 
Prof. GEORGE THTJRBEK. 
LATTEEL, 
LAWN, 
LILY, 
and other botanical articles. 
GEORGE TICKNOR, LL. D., Boston. 
LAFAYETTE, Marquis de. 
W. A. VAN BENTHUYSEN, Editor of the &quot; Shoe 
and Leather Chronicle,&quot; New York. 
LEATHEB. 
Prof. G. A. F. VAN RHYN, Ph. D. 
KOBAN, 
LANGUAGE, 
LATIN LANGUAGE AND LITEEATUEE, 
and other archaeological, oriental, and philological 
articles. 
I. DE VEITELLE. 
KINGSTON, Jamaica, 
MADEIEA, 
MADEID, 
and other Spanish and Spanish American articles. 
Major W. T. WALTHALL, Mobile, Ala. 
LAFITTE, JEAN. 
McGiLLivEAY, ALEXANDEB. 
C. S. WEYMAN. 
LAYAED, AUSTEN HENBY. 
LEDYAED, JOHN WILLIAM. 
LIVINGSTON FAMILY. 
LOCKHAET, JOHN GIBSON. 
Prof. W. D. WILSON, D. D., Cornell Univer- 
sity, Ithaca, N. Y. 
LOGIC. 
Prof. J. H. WOEMAN, A. M., Assistant Editor 
of &quot;Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, 
and Ecclesiastical Literature.&quot; 
LEATHES, STANLEY. 
MCCLINTOCK, JOHN. 
Hon. ELIZUR WRIGHT, Boston. 
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graphic sketches of travel with philosophical 
reflections ; a history of the &quot; West Church and 
its Ministers ; &quot; &quot; Church and Congregation : 
a Plea for their Unity&quot; (1858); &quot; Word of the 
Spirit to the Church ; &quot; and &quot; Radical Prob- 
lem &quot; (1872). He has also published a variety 
of occasional and miscellaneous discourses and 
essays, besides numerous contributions to the 
leading periodicals of the day, and several poet- 
ical compositions. His writings are character- 
ized by a remarkable individuality of thought 
and illustration, and a certain antique quaint- 
ness of style. Although of a deeply religious 
tone, they give more prominence to the ethical 
and social element than to theological doctrine. 
BARTOLI, Daniele, an Italian author, born in 
Ferrara, Feb. 12, 1608, died in Rome, Jan. 13, 
1685. lie entered the society of Jesus at the 
age of 15, and was sent to Rome in 1650 to 
write the history of the order, and in 1671 was 
appointed rector of the Roman college. His 
Istoria della compagnia di Gesti, (5 vols. fol., 
Rome, 1653-'63; 12 vols., Turin, 1825) is in 
five parts, three relating to the East, including 
China, Japan, and Mongolia, one to Italy, and 
one to England, chiefly in the times of Eliza- 
beth and James I. He wrote also Vita e h- 
tituto di S. Ignazio (1689), which has been 
widely circulated in English ; and L 1 Homo di 
lettere, also translated into English. 
i:KTOI.I, Pietro Saiili, known also as PE- 
BtiGio, an Italian engraver, born about 1635, 
died in Rome in 1700. He was a pupil of 
Nicolas Poussin, and imitated his master's 
works with wonderful fidelity. He excelled 
chiefly as an engraver, his prints of Greek and 
Roman works being much valued by Winck- 
elmann. His most celebrated designs are af- 
ter the Scriptural frescoes of Raphael in the 
Vatican. His St. John, after Mola, is in the 
Louvre, and his &quot; Jupiter crushing the Giants,&quot; 
after Giulio Romano, is at Mantua. He com- 
pleted over 1,000 plates, chiefly etchings, which 
have become very scarce. 
litlt'l'oi.lM. Lorenzo, an Italian sculptor, 
born at Savignano, near Prato, Tuscany, in 
1777, died in Florence, Jan. 20, 1850. He 
took lessons from a French artist in Florence, . 
and went to Paris in 1797, where his bass relief 
of &quot; Cleobis and Biton &quot; won a prize from the 
academy. He became a great favorite of Na- 
poleon, who charged him in 1808 with the 
establishment of an academy at Carrara, from 
which city he was expelled after the over- 
throw of the emperor, whom he accompanied 
to Elba. After the battle of Waterloo he re- 
turned to Florence, where he directed the de- 
partment of sculpture, and was professor in the 
academy of fine arts. He was regarded in 
Italy as next to Canova in eminence. He ex- 
celled especially by his graceful drapery, and 
by his exquisite modelling of the flesh. In the 
Pitti palace at Florence is his masterwork, a 
marble group representing Charity. Among his 
numerous other works in that city are statues 
of the Venus de' Medici and of Machiavelli. 
75 VOL. it. 23 
At Milan is his statue of &quot;Faith in God,&quot; erect- 
ed by the marchioness Trivulzio in commemo- 
ration of her husband ; in the cathedral of Lau- 
sanne is his monument of Lady Harriet Strat- 
ford Canning; and his Bacchante is in the 
duke of Devonshire's collection in England. 
In Paris he made busts of Madame de Stael, 
Lord Byron, the countess Guiccioli, Thiers, and 
many other prominent persons, besides the 
monument of Prince Nicholas Demidoff and 
the marble statues of Arnina, nvmph of the 
Arno (1841), and of &quot;The Nymph with the 
Scorpion &quot; (1845). 
i: U! 1 01.0. or Bartoll. I. Taddco di, an Ital- 
ian painter of the Sienese school, flourished 
from 1390 to 1414. He was the son and 
grandson of painters. Some of his pictures are 
at Pisa, Volterra, and Padua, and one of his 
celebrated madonnas is in the gallery of the 
late king Louis I. of Bavaria. His most re- 
markable fresco painting, in the vestibule of 
the chapel of the Palazzo Pubblico at' Siena, 
representing celebrated men of antiquity, was 
imitated by Perugio in the exchange at Peru- 
gia. II. Domenlco dl, nephew and pupil of the 
preceding, was a painter of frescoes (1440), 
from which Raphael while at Siena derived a 
knowledge of national costumes. His &quot;Ascen- 
sion of the Virgin &quot; is in the museum of Berlin. 
B1RTOL09IMEO, I'm, an Italian painter, whose 
real name was BACCIO DELLA PORTA, called 
also il Frate and Fra Bartolommeo di San, 
Marco, born at Savignano in 1469, died in 
Florence, Oct. 8, 1517. He studied under 
Cosimo Rosselli, and acquired his knowledge 
of chiaroscuro from Leonardo da Vinci. His 
first works were of small size, such as his two 
cabinet pictures in the Florentine gallery, rep- 
resenting the &quot;Nativity&quot; and the &quot;Circumcis- 
ion.&quot; In his fresco of the &quot;Last Judgment,&quot; in 
the chapel of Santa Maria Nuova, he adopted a 
grander style. He was an admirer and friend 
of Savonarola, whose execution preyed so 
much upon his mind that in July, 1500, he 
entered the convent of Prato, and subsequently 
that of San Marco. But he resumed his pro- 
fession in 1504, and became intimate with 
Raphael, whom he instructed in coloring and the 
folding of draperies, while Raphael taught him 
the rules of perspective. Subsequently he went 
to Rome, to study the works of that master 
and of Michael Angelo. In the convent of 
San Marco are some of Fra Bartolommeo's 
most finished frescoes. One of his finest pro- 
ductions, &quot;The Virgin upon a Throne,&quot; is in 
the public gallery of Florence. In the Pitti 
palace is his single figure of St. Mark, which is 
described by Winckelmann as a Grecian statue 
transformed into a picture. In the Qiiirinal of 
Rome are two of his pictures, St. Peter and St. 
Paul. The latter was most admired by Ra- 
phael, who completed it. Other famous works 
of his are to be found in Rome, Naples, Mu- 
nich, Berlin, and St. Petersburg ; and those 
removed by Napoleon I. to the Louvre have 
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PORTSMOUTH 
other Spanish explorers. Ponce de Leon 
occupied the island with a large military 
force and maintained headquarters there 
for ten years. The Spaniards remained 
in control of the island until 1898. It 
was visited often by pirates. San Juan 
was sacked in 1595 by Sir Francis 
Drake. Other attacks by English forces 
were defeated. Porto Rico was created 
a province of Spain in 1869, and slavery 
was abolished in 1873, The fortifica- 
tions of San Juan were bombarded by a 
fleet under Admiral Sampson, in July, 
1898, and a military expedition under 
General Miles took possession without 
opposition. By the Treaty of Paris, in 
1898, Porto Rico was ceded to the United 
States. With the exception of political 
struggles, the American administration 
was without important event. In 1912 
laws were passed providing for sanitary 
reform, a bureau of labor, and the minor- 
ity representation. The inhabitants of 
Porto Rico were granted citizenship on 
March 2, 1917. Prohibition was voted 
by the people on July 16 of the same 
year. During 1918 officers' training 
camps were opened on the island and a 
large number of young men were trained 
for military service. In 1918-1919 a 
new election law was passed. Amend- 
ments were also made to the labor laws. 
The population of Porto Rico in 1910 
was 1,118,012; in 1920, 1,297,772. The 
chief towns are San Juan, Ponce, and 
Mayaguez. 
PORT SAID, a town of Egypt, on the 
W. side of the Suez Canal, on a desolate 
strip of land between Lake Menzaleh and 
the Mediterranean. The place owes its 
origin to the Suez Canal, being named 
after Said Pasha, its promoter, and de- 
pends wholly on the canal trade, being 
mainly a coaling station for steamers. 
Pop. with Ismailia, about 95,000. In the 
World War it was a military base for 
operations against the Turks. 
PORTSMOUTH, the principal station 
of the British navy, a seaport, municipal 
and parliamentary borough of England, 
in Hampshire, on the S. W. extremity of 
the island of Portsea. It consists of the 
four districts, Portsmouth proper, Port- 
sea, Landport, and Southsea, Portsmouth 
proper is a garrison town. Portsea is 
the seat of the naval dockyard; Land- 
port is an artisan quarter; and Southsea 
on the E. side of the town of Portsmouth 
is a favorite seaside resort. The island 
of Portsea, which is separated from the 
mainland by a narrow creek called 
Portsbridge Canal, is bounded on the E. 
by Langston Harbor, on the W. by Ports- 
mouth Harbor, and on the S. by Spit- 
head and the Harbor Channel. The 
royal dockyard covers an area of about 
500 acres, and is considered the largest 
and most magnificent establishment of 
the kind in the world. It includes vast 
store houses, containing all the materials 
requisite for naval architecture; ma- 
chine shops, with all modern appliances; 
extensive slips and docks, in which the 
largest ships of the navy are built or 
repaired; ranges of handsome resi- 
dences for the officials, and a Royal Navy 
College, with accommodation for 70 stu- 
dents. Outside the dockyard an area of 
14 acres contains the gun wharf, where 
vast numbers of guns and other ord- 
nance stores are kept. Portsmouth has 
no manufactures of any consequence, ex- 
cept those immediately connected with its 
naval establishments, and a few large 
breweries. Its trade, both coasting and 
foreign, is of considerable extent. Of 
late years an extensive and systematic 
series of fortifications has been under 
construction for the complete defense of 
Portsmouth. They extend along a curve 
of about 1% miles at the N. side of Port- 
sea Island. A series of hills, 4 miles to 
the N. of Portsmouth, and commanding 
its front to the sea, are well fortified 
with strong forts. On the Gosport side 
a line of forts extends for 4 miles. The 
municipal and parliamentary borough in- 
cludes nearly the whole of the island of 
Portsea. It sends two members to the 
House of Commons. Pop. (1917) 178,- 
327. 
PORTSMOUTH, a city, port of entry, 
and county-seat of Rockingham co., 
N. H., on the Piscataqua river, and the 
Boston and Maine railroad; 40 miles E. 
of Concord. The harbor is deep and 
commodious, and much used as a haven 
of refuge. Here are a United States 
life-saving station, a signal-service sta- 
tion, custom house. Children's Home, 
Woman's Asylum, etc. It has manufac- 
tories of cotton fabrics, hosiery, ale and 
beer, boots and shoes, carriages, copper 
and brass foundry products, leather, 
soap, gloves, etc. Here the &quot;Peace of 
Portsmouth&quot; was made when Russian 
and Japanese representatives, at the sug- 
gestion of President Roosevelt, met in 
conference and signed a treaty of peace 
in 1905, concluding the Russo-Japanese 
War (1904-1905). Pop. (1910) 11,- 
269; (1920) 13,569. 
PORTSMOUTH, a city and county- 
seat of Scioto CO., O. ; at the confluence 
of the Scioto and Ohio rivers, on the 
Ohio canal, and on the Baltimore and 
Ohio Southwestern, the Norfolk and 
Westei'n, and the Chesapeake and Ohio 
railroads; 114 miles S. E. of Cincinnati. 
It is the center and shipping port of a 
large mining and agricultural region. 
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government building, Old Ladies' Home, 
etc. The industrial plants include roll- 
, ing mills, iron and steel works, shoe 
factories, lumber mills, planing mills, 
flour mills, foundries, fire-brick kilns, pa- 
per box factories, wheel works, and ve- 
neer works. Pop. (1910) 23,481; (1920) 
33,011. 
PORTSMOUTH, a city and county- 
seat of Norfolk CO., Va.; on the Eliza- 
beth river, and on the Seaboard Air 
Line, the Chesapeake. and Ohio, Atlantic 
Coast Line, and the New York, Phila- 
delphia and Norfolk railroads; opposite 
Norfolk. It is the seat of a naval hos- 
pital and marine barracks, and in Gos- 
port, on the S. E. edge of the city, is 
the Norfolk Navy Yard. The harbor is 
one of the best on the coast, and is ac- 
cessible by the largest vessels. It has 
a steamboat line to Baltimore, and regu- 
lar water connections with the chief 
coast cities of the United States. Here 
are street railroads, electric lights, an 
academy and seminary, the shops of the 
Seaboard Air Line railroad, etc. With 
Norfolk (q.v.) Portsmouth was a naval 
station of great importance during the 
World War. Portsmouth exports large 
quantities of cotton, lumber, fruits, 
naval stores, etc. Pop. (1910) 33,190; 
(1920) 54,387. 
PORTUGAL, THE REPUBLIC OF, 
forming the W. portion of the Iberian 
peninsula; bounded by Spain and the 
Atlantic; area 36,038 square miles; pop. 
about 6,000,000. 
Topography. — The country generally 
inclines from N. E. to S. W. Several of 
the great mountain chains of Spain in- 
tersect it from E. to W. and terminate 
in large promontories in the Atlantic. 
The most remarkable of these chains is 
the Serra de Estrella, nearly in the cen- 
ter of Portugal. This chain is a con- 
tinuation of the Serra de Gata, and cul- 
minates in an elevation of 7,524 feet 
above the level of the sea. Another 
chain is the Serra de Monchique, the ex- 
tremity of which, Cape St. Vincent, is 
the S. W. point, not only of Portugal, 
but of Europe. The principal rivers are 
the Tagus, the Douro, the Minho, and the 
Guadiana. 
Productions. — Wheat, barley, oats, 
flax, hemp, vines, and maize in the ele- 
vated tracts; rice in the low grounds, 
wth olives, oranges, lemons, citrons, figs, 
and almonds. Silk is made of a very 
good quality. There are extensive for- 
ests of oak in the N., chestnut in the 
center, and the sea pine and cork in the 
S. Oxen are employed as beasts of 
draught, and mules and asses as those 
of ^ burden. Cattle, sheep, goats, and 
Bwine are numerous, and fish abound in 
the rivers and on the coasts. Iron mines 
are worked, and the mountains abound 
in fine marble, and contain traces of gold 
and silver. Of salt, large quantities are 
formed in bays along the coast, by nat- 
ural evaporation. There are numerous 
salt marshes, and upward of 200 min- 
eral springs. The manufactures are 
limited, principally consisting of woolens, 
silk, and earthenware. Cotton spinning 
is followed, and paper, glass, and gun- 
powder are made in a few places. The 
state religion is the Roman Catholic; but 
all others are tolerated. The peace 
strength of the army is 30,000 men, and 
the personnel of the navy is 6,000. 
History. — Portugal forms the greater 
part of ancient Lusitania. It was sub- 
jugated by the Romans, in the time of 
Augustus, and was constituted into a 
province. In the 5th century, on the 
overthrow of the Roman supremacy, 
Portugal was invaded by the Alans and 
Visigoths, and suffered with Spain, of 
which it was then a part, all the troubles 
and vicissitudes endured by the inhabi- 
tants of the peninsula till the 8th cen- 
tury, at which time the Arabs, called in- 
differently Saracens or Moors, possessed 
themselves of the whole of Portugal, and 
kept absolute dominion for nearly 400 
years. In the 12th century, Don Alonzo 
Henriquez, a Spanish prince of Leon 
and Castile, gained a great victory over 
the Moors oi Portugal and was made 
King. Don Alonzo had no sooner re- 
ceived the crown, than he renounced all 
dependence on Spain and established a 
free and sovereign state. 
Under the descendants of Don Alonzo 
I., especially Dennis I. and Alonzo IV., 
Portugal, during the next two centuries, 
rose in political importance and commer- 
cial prosperity. In 1385, the King of 
Castile having laid claim to the crown of 
Portugal on the death of Ferdinand, was 
opposed and defeated by Don John, Fer- 
dinand's brother, and ascending the va- 
cant throne, ruled his subjects with jus- 
tice and prudence. Under John I. the 
Portuguese first projected those Atlan- 
tic discoveries on the African coast, 
fraught with such territorial and com- 
mercial advantages to the nation; and, 
under John II. and Emanuel, between 
1481 and 1521, Vasco de Gama ex- 
plored the Indian Ocean; the riches of 
the East began to pour into Europe; 
Goa became a prosperous possession, and 
Brazil was added to the possessions of 
the crown of Portugal. Sebastian III., 
fired with a holy zeal to exterminate the 
infidels from his country, commenced a 
sanguinary crusade against the Moors, 
which he carried on through such re- 
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POSIEDON 
both his crown and life in the struggle. 
Henry the Cardinal, his uncle, an old 
man of 70, ascended the throne, but died 
without heirs, after a reign of only two 
years, in 1580. 
With Henry terminated the male line, 
after enduring for 460 years. Spain 
once more laid claim to the vacant 
throne, and Portugal again became a de- 
pendency of the Spanish crown, the na- 
tion suffering all the injustice, exactions, 
and tyranny usually inflicted on a con- 
quered country by its haughty masters. 
After enduring 60 years of intolerable 
hardships and exactions, a Portuguese 
nobleman named John, Duke of Bra- 
ganza, pitying his unfortunate country- 
men, excited a revolution, which again 
broke the Spanish fetters, while the 
people hailed their deliverer as their 
king, who, being crowned as John IV., 
commenced the dynasty of the House of 
Braganza, a family whose descendants 
held sway until the Republic. When 
Napoleon, in 1807, entered the country, 
and declared the family of Braganza had 
ceased to reign, the royal family of Por- 
tugal, and all the court, set sail from 
the Tagus to Brazil. After the downfall 
of Napoleon, the history of Portugal is 
composed of a long succession of political 
disturbances. At the death of Queen 
Maria da Gloria her eldest son ascended 
the throne, in 1853, as Pedro V., and 
died prematurely in 1861, leaving the 
throne to Louis I., second son of Dona 
Maria. In October, 1889, Carlos I., his 
son, succeeded to the throne. His reign 
created great discontent and on Feb. 1, 
1908, the King and Crown Prince were 
assassinated. The second son was 
raised to the throne as Manuel II., but 
was deposed in the revolution of Oct. 
1910, when a republic was proclaimed 
under Theo. Braga. The republic was 
formed in September, 1911, with Dr. 
Arriaga as President. Shortly after the 
outbreak of the World War in 1914, Por- 
tugal took sides with England and aided 
in the South African campaign. 
PORTUGUESE EAST AFRICA OR 
MOZAMBIQUE, a possession of Portu- 
gal on the E. coast of Africa, having an 
area of 293,400 square miles and popu- 
lation of about 4,000,000. Almost all of 
the inhabitants belong to the Bantu race, 
although in the southern portion there 
are a number of Zulus. The colony is 
rich in mineral resources, but because of 
the tropical and unfavorable climate, as 
well as the bad transportation facilities 
these have been little developed. The 
chief mineral deposits are coal, iron and 
gold and thus far have been exploited 
rnostly by British subjects. The prin- 
cipal products are cocoanuts, bananas. 
indigo, coflFee, and rubber. Three porta 
do almost all the export and import 
trade, the coast affording but few har- 
bors. The capital is Louren^o Marques 
with a population app. 10,000. 
PORTUGUESE GUINEA, a possession 
of Portugal on the E. coast of Africa, 
with an area of about 14,000 miles and a 
population of about 800,000. Portuguese 
authority is respected only in the coast 
towns, the interior of the colony being 
largely unexplored. The coast affords 
several harbors, but because of strong 
currents navigation is dangerous. The 
climate is very hot and unhealthy. The 
commerce, which is controlled by the 
French, consists in the exporting of 
ivory, wax, and rubber, and the import- 
ing of manufactured goods. The forests 
contain a number of valuable woods, and 
the chief crops of the province are rice 
and millet. The capital is Bulama, situ- 
ated on the island of the same name. 
This town divides the commerce with 
Bissao and Cacheo. 
PORTULACA, purslane; the typical 
genus of the Portulacacege; low, succu- 
lent herbs with flat or cylindrical leaves, 
and yellow, purplish, or rose-colored 
ephemeral flowers. Known species be- 
tween 30 and 40; most of them from the 
warmer parts of America. P. oleracea 
is the common purslane. It is a low, 
succulent annual, often eaten by the Hin- 
dus as a potherb. P. quadrifida, also In- 
dian, is eaten and considered cooling by 
the natives. The fresh leaves of both 
species are used as an external applica- 
tion in erysipelas, etc., and an infusion 
of them as a diuretic. 
PORTULACACE^ or PORTULA- 
CEJE, purslanes; an order of hypo- 
gynous exogens, alliance Silenales. Suc- 
culent herbs or shrubs, generally with 
alternate, entire leaves; axillary or 
terminal flowers, which expand only in 
bright sunshine. Sepals two; petals five, 
distinct, or joined into a tube; stamens 
varying in number; carpels three or 
more; ovary and capsule one-celled, the 
latter dehiscing transversely, or by 
valves (Lindley). Known genera 15, 
species 125 (Sir Joseph Hooker). 
PORTUMNUS, or PORTUNUS. the 
Roman god of harbors. The Portum- 
nalia were yearly celebrated in his honor. 
POSE, in heraldry, a term applied to 
a lion, horse, etc., represented standing 
still, with all his feet on the ground; 
statant. 
POSEIDON, the Greek god of the sea, 
identified by the Romans with the Ital- 
ian deity Neptunus. A son of Kronos 
and Rhea, and hence a brother of Zeus,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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LAPORTE 
is often marked by white spots and 
bands. It is found associated with 
crystalline limestone among schistose 
rocks and in granite, in Siberia, China, 
Tibet, Chile, etc. The finest specimens 
are brought from Bokhara. It seems to 
have been the only stone of any intrinsic 
value known to the Egyptians under the 
Pharaohs. The valuable pigment, called 
Ultramarine (g. v.) is made from it. 
It is one of the minerals sometimes called 
azure stone. 
LAPLACE (la-plasO, PIERRE SI- 
MON, MARQUIS DE, a renowned 
French mathematician and astronomer; 
born in Beaumont-en-Auge, France&quot;, 
March 28, 1749. He was Professor of 
Mathematics in the Military School ; min- 
ister of the interior for six weeks under 
Napoleon (1799); vice-president of the 
senate (1803); peer; marquis (1817). 
In his great work &quot;Mechanism of the 
Heavens&quot; (5 vols. 1799-1825), he attacks 
nearly every problem arising out of the 
movements of the heavenly bodies, and in 
great part offers the solution. His &quot;Ex- 
position of the System of the Universe&quot; 
(2 vols. 1796), is a less abstruse presen- 
tation of the arguments advanced in the 
&quot;Mechanism.&quot; His famous researches 
into the laws of probability are summed 
up in the two works &quot;Analytic Theory 
of Probabilities&quot; (1812), and &quot;Philo- 
sophical Essays on Probabilities&quot; 
(1814). He died in Paris, March 5, 
1827. 
LAPLAND, the collective name for 
the extensive region in the N. of Europe 
inhabited by the Lapps; bounded on the 
N. by the Arctic Ocean, on the N. W. by 
the Atlantic, on the E. by the White Sea, 
on the S., by the parallel, roughly speak- 
ing, lat. 66° N. (though Lapps are some- 
times found as far S. as lat. 63° N. in 
Norway and Sweden). It is estimated 
that the Lapps number 30,000, about 
four-fifths of their number being in Nor- 
way and Sweden and the remainder in 
Finland and Russia. Norwegian Lap- 
land is a mountainous country, its coasts 
cleft by the narrow, steep- walled fjords; 
in Swedish Lapland the most charac- 
teristic features are ridges with narrow 
valleys between, the latter generally 
partly filled with long, narrow lakes; 
farther E., in Finnish and Russian Lap- 
land, the surface is more level, the rivers 
and lakes become more numerous, and 
next the Arctic Ocean barren tundras, 
and many square miles are covered with 
forests of fir and spruce. Some of the 
lakes are of large size: Lake Enare or 
Inara, in Finnish Lapland, has an area 
of 1,147 square miles: Lake Imandra is 
!B5 miles long by 9 wide; and Lake Nuot, 
85 miles long by 7 wide. The river 
Tana, which flows N. to the Arctic Sea, 
is the second longest river of Norway. 
The summer is short and comparatively 
hot, owing to the fact that the sun 
scarcely ever sinks below the horizon 
during the three months that summer 
lasts. For seven or eight weeks in win- 
ter comparative darkness prevails, ex- 
cept when the snowy landscape is illum- 
inated by the aurora borealis; the cold 
in winter is excessive, the thermometer 
generally indicating 60° of frost. 
LA PLATA (la pla'ta), the capital 
of the Argentine province of Buenos 
Aires, founded in 1882, after Buenos 
Aires city had been made the federal 
capital. The only buildings of note are 
the handsome capitol and other offices of 
the government, an observatory, several 
chapels and a fine railway station; has 
scores of hotels, inns, and cafes; a col- 
lege, etc.; among the manufactories al- 
ready established is one of cotton and 
woolen tissues; a canal connects a har- 
bor which has been constructed at La 
Plata with a larger outer harbor at En- 
senada, on the La Plata river; pop. about 
90,500. 
LA PLATA, RIO DE (re^o da), a 
wide estuary of South America, between 
Uruguay on the N. and the Argentine 
Republic on the S., through which the 
waters of the Parana and the Uruguay 
sweep down to the ocean; length about 
200 miles. The N. shore is somewhat 
steep and lofty, but that along the prov- 
ince of Buenos Aires is low and flat. 
The estuary has no shelter from the tem- 
pestuous storms that come from the S. 
W.; and even the only good harbor, that 
at Montevideo, is open to the S. E. The 
affluents of the La Plata drain an area 
estimated at 1,600,000 square miles, and 
the outflow of the estuary is calculated 
at about 52,000,000 cubic feet per min- 
ute — a volume exceeded only by that of 
the Amazon. The estuary was discov- 
ered in 1515 or 1516 by Diaz de Solis, 
who was shortly afterward roasted and 
eaten by the Indians on its bank. 
LAPORTE, a city and county-seat of 
Laporte co., Ind., on the Lake Shore 
and Michigan Southern, Pere Marquette 
and several other railroads; 59 miles E. 
S. E. of Chicago, 111. It is the farming 
trade center for the county; and is also 
engaged in the manufacture of woolen 
goods, agricultural implements, wheels, 
hubs, etc. It is an attractive summer 
resort, having several beautiful lakes in 
its vicinity; contains a handsome court 
house, city hall, public library; and has 
an electric-light plant, waterworks sup- 
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honor of an edition printed at Speier. A man so gifted was 
warmly welcomed, and the repubUc thanked the Franciscan Gen- 
eral for the selection. I have already detailed how he fell into 
the same courses as his predecessor in cheating the papal camera, 
how he was prosecuted for this, and for what the republic officially denounced as &quot;''estorsioni nefcmde''&quot; committed on the people, 
and how, within two years after his appointment, he was a fugitive, not daring to stand trial. There is another phase of his activity, however, which is worth recounting in some detail, as it 
illustrates perfectly how useful an instrument was the Inquisition 
m carrying out the wishes of the Eoman curia in matters wholly 
disconnected with the purity of the faith.&lt;ref&gt;Wadding. T. III. App. p. 3.—Ughelli, Italia Sacra, Ed. 1659, II. 1075—Archiv. di Firenze, Riformag. Classe v. No. 129, fol. 55. &lt;/ref&gt;
 
The Cardinal of Santa Sabina, while visiting various courts in 
the capacity of papal legate, had had occasion to collect large 
sums. In charity to him we may assume, what doubtless was the 
truth, that the money belonged to the pope, although it stood in 
the cardinal's name on the books of his bankers, the great Floren-tine company of the Acciajuoli. In receiving it the members of 
the company had bound themselves jointly and severally for its 
repayment, agreeing to subject themselves to the judgment of the 
Court of Auditors of the Apostolic Chamber. In 1343 there was 
due the cardinal some twelve, thousand florins, which the Acciajuoli were unable to pay. A commercial and financial crisis had 
paralyzed the commerce and industries of the city. Its bankers 
had advanced vast sums to Edward III. of England and to Robert 
the Good of Naples, and clamored in vain for repayment. The 
Lombard war had exhausted the pubhc treasury and the whole 
community was bankrupt. Not only the Acciajuoli, but the 
Bardi, the Peruzzi, and other great banking-houses closed their 
doors, and ruin stared the Florentines in the face. There was 
at least one creditor, however, who was resolved to have his 
money.&lt;ref&gt;Archiv. di Firenze, Riformag. Atti Pubblici, Lib. {{Asc|xvi.}} de' Capitolari, fol 15.—Villani Chron. xi. 138 ; xii. 55, 58.&lt;/ref&gt;

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the Acciajuoli to pay it. Under the circumstances this was clearly 
impossible, but judgment against the debtors had been rendered 
by the auditors of the papal camera. This was enough to bring 
the affair within the sphere of spiritual jurisdiction, and authority 
was sent to the inquisitor to execute the sentence, calling in the 
aid of the secular arm, and, if necessary, laying an interdict on the 
city. The matter dragged on until, :N&quot;ovember 23, 1345, Fra Piero 
appeared before the Gonfaloniero and the Priors of the Arts, and 
summoned them to imprison the debtors until payment, under 
pain of excommunication and interdict; whereupon the magis- 
trates responded that, out of reverence for the pope and respect 
for the inquisitor and to oblige the cardinal, they would lend the 
aid of the secular arm. Still the money was not forthcoming, and 
although such assets of the Acciajuoli as could be seized were de- 
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held the whole community responsible for the debt of a few of 
the citizens. The discussion became angry, and when the inquis- 
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tion of arresting Salvestro Baroncelli, a member of the bankrupt 
company, as he was leaving the palace of the Priors of the Arts, 
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loss of the right hand. 

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people refused to observe it. The churches remained open and 
the rites of religion continued to be celebrated, leading to a fresh 
series of prosecutions against the bishop and priests. Inside the 
walls the Florentines might disregard the censures of the Church, 
but a commercial community could not afford to be cut off from 
intercourse with the world. Her citizens and their goods Avere 
scattered in every trade-centre in Christendom, and were virtually 
outlawed by the interdict. This was the reason alleged by the 
priors when, June 14, 1346, they humbled their pride and sent 
commissioners to Clement authorized to bind the republic to pay 
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the Acciajuoli to pay it. Under the circumstances this was clearly 
impossible, but judgment against the debtors had been rendered 
by the auditors of the papal camera. This was enough to bring 
the affair within the sphere of spiritual jurisdiction, and authority 
was sent to the inquisitor to execute the sentence, calling in the 
aid of the secular arm, and, if necessary, laying an interdict on the 
city. The matter dragged on until, :November 23, 1345, Fra Piero 
appeared before the Gonfaloniero and the Priors of the Arts, and 
summoned them to imprison the debtors until payment, under 
pain of excommunication and interdict; whereupon the magis- 
trates responded that, out of reverence for the pope and respect 
for the inquisitor and to oblige the cardinal, they would lend the 
aid of the secular arm. Still the money was not forthcoming, and 
although such assets of the Acciajuoli as could be seized were de- 
livered to Frà Piero, and security was given for the balance, he 
held the whole community responsible for the debt of a few of 
the citizens. The discussion became angry, and when the inquis- 
itor, in violation of a law of the republic, committed the indiscre- 
tion of arresting Salvestro Baroncelli, a member of the bankrupt 
company, as he was leaving the palace of the Priors of the Arts, 
his three familiars who had committed the offence were, in com- 
pHance with a savage statute, punished with banishment and the 
loss of the right hand. 

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Fra&amp;#39; Piero laid the city under interdict, but both the clergy aiul 
people refused to observe it. The churches remained open and 
the rites of religion continued to be celebrated, leading to a fresh 
series of prosecutions against the bishop and priests. Inside the 
walls the Florentines might disregard the censures of the Church, 
but a commercial community could not afford to be cut off from 
intercourse with the world. Her citizens and their goods Avere 
scattered in every trade-centre in Christendom, and were virtually 
outlawed by the interdict. This was the reason alleged by the 
priors when, June 14, 1346, they humbled their pride and sent 
commissioners to Clement authorized to bind the republic to pay 
the debt of the Acciajuoli to the cardinal, not exceeding seven 
thousand florins, in eight months. Their submission was gra- 
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of Germany, who were shocked at this treatment of a man so 
emment and distinguished. Yet his writings survived him and 
proved greatly encouraging to the early Reformers. Melanchthon 
enumerates him among those who by their works kept up the 
contmuity of the Church of Christ.&lt;ref&gt;D'Argentré I. 11. 291-8.—Ullmann, op. cit. I. 258-9, 277-94, 356-7.—Trithem. Chron. Hirsaug. ann. 1479.—Conr. Ursperg. Chron. Continuat. ann. 1479.—Melanchthon. Respons. ad Bavar. Inquis., Witebergæ, 1559, Sig. B 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

It is evident from this case that the Inquisition, though not 
extmet m Germany, was not in working order, and that even 
where It existed nominaUy a special effort was requisite to make 
It function. Still we hear occasionally of the appointment of inquisitors and from the career of Sprenger we know that their labors could be fruitfully directed to the extirpation of witchcraft 
Sorcery, indeed, had become the most threatening heresy of the 
time, and other spiritual aberrations were attracting little attention. 
In the elaborate statutes issued by the Synod of Bamberg,&quot; 
in 1491, the section devoted to heresy dwells at much length on 
the details of witchcraft and magic, and mentions only one other  
doctrinal error-the vitiation of sacraments in polluted hands 
and it directs that all who neglect to denounce heretics are to be  
themselves treated as accomplices, but it makes no allusion to the 
inquisition. Still there is an occasional manifestation showing 
that inquisitors existed and sometimes exercised their powers  
I shall hereafter have occasion to refer to the case of Herman of 
Ryswick, who was condemned and abjured in 1499, escaped from 
prison, and was burned as a relapsed by the inquisitor at The 
Hauge, in 1512, and only allude to it here an evidence of continued inquisitorial activity.&lt;r2&gt;

The persecution of John Reuchlin, like that of John of Wesel,
sprang from scholastic antagonisms, but its development shows
how completely, during the interval, the inquisitorial power had
wasted away. Reuchlin was a pupil of John Wessel of Groningen;
as the leader of the Humanists, and the foremost representative in
Germany of the new learning, he was involved in bitter controversy with the Dominicans, who, as traditional Thomists, were
ready to do battle to the death for scholasticism. The ferocious


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of Germany, who were shocked at this treatment of a man so 
emment and distinguished. Yet his writings survived him and 
proved greatly encouraging to the early Reformers. Melanchthon 
enumerates him among those who by their works kept up the 
contmuity of the Church of Christ.&lt;ref&gt;D'Argentré I. 11. 291-8.—Ullmann, op. cit. I. 258-9, 277-94, 356-7.—Trithem. Chron. Hirsaug. ann. 1479.—Conr. Ursperg. Chron. Continuat. ann. 1479.—Melanchthon. Respons. ad Bavar. Inquis., Witebergæ, 1559, Sig. B 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

It is evident from this case that the Inquisition, though not 
extmet m Germany, was not in working order, and that even 
where It existed nominaUy a special effort was requisite to make 
It function. Still we hear occasionally of the appointment of inquisitors and from the career of Sprenger we know that their labors could be fruitfully directed to the extirpation of witchcraft 
Sorcery, indeed, had become the most threatening heresy of the 
time, and other spiritual aberrations were attracting little attention. 
In the elaborate statutes issued by the Synod of Bamberg,&quot; 
in 1491, the section devoted to heresy dwells at much length on 
the details of witchcraft and magic, and mentions only one other  
doctrinal error-the vitiation of sacraments in polluted hands 
and it directs that all who neglect to denounce heretics are to be  
themselves treated as accomplices, but it makes no allusion to the 
inquisition. Still there is an occasional manifestation showing 
that inquisitors existed and sometimes exercised their powers  
I shall hereafter have occasion to refer to the case of Herman of 
Ryswick, who was condemned and abjured in 1499, escaped from 
prison, and was burned as a relapsed by the inquisitor at The 
Hauge, in 1512, and only allude to it here an evidence of continued inquisitorial activity.&lt;ref&gt;Ripoll IV. 5.—Synod Bamberg. ann. 1491, Tit. 44 (Ludewig Scriptt. Rer.
Germ. I. 1242-44).—D'Argentré I. II. 342.&lt;/ref&gt;

The persecution of John Reuchlin, like that of John of Wesel,
sprang from scholastic antagonisms, but its development shows
how completely, during the interval, the inquisitorial power had
wasted away. Reuchlin was a pupil of John Wessel of Groningen;
as the leader of the Humanists, and the foremost representative in
Germany of the new learning, he was involved in bitter controversy with the Dominicans, who, as traditional Thomists, were
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the east of Europe, and to the inefficiency of the local machinery
for its extermination, steps were immediately taken for the intro-
duction of the Inquisition. In 1318 John XXII. commissioned
the Dominican Peregrine of Oppolza and the Franciscan Nicholas
of Cracow as inquisitors in the dioceses of Cracow and Breslau,
while Bohemia and Poland were intrusted to the Dominican Colda
and the Franciscan Hartmann. As usual, the secular and ecclesi-
astical powers were commanded to afford them assistance when-
ever called upon. Poland, doubtless, was as much in need as Bo-
hemia of inquisitorial supervision, for John Muscata, the Bishop of
Cracow, was as negligent as his brother of Prague, and drew upon
himself in 1319 severe reprehension from John XXII. for the sloth
and neglect which had rendered heresy bold and aggressive in his
diocese. This does not seem to have accomplished much, for in
1327 John found himself obliged to order the Dominican Provin-
cial of Poland to appoint inquisitors to stem the flood of heresy
which was infecting the people from regions farther west. Ger-
many and Bohemia apparently were sending missionaries, whose
labors met with much acceptance among the people. King Ladis-
las was especially asked to lend his aid to the inquisitors; he
promptly responded by ordering the governors of his cities to
support them with the civil power, and their vigorous action was
rewarded with abundant success.&lt;ref&gt;Wadding. ann. 1818, No. 2-6.—Ripoll II. 138-9, 174-6.—Gustav Schmidt, Päbstliche Urkunden und Regesten, Halle, 1886, p. 105.—Raynald. ann. 1319, No. 43.&lt;/ref&gt;

Among these heretics there may have been Brethren of the
Free Spirit, but they were probably for the most part Waldenses,
who at this time had a thoroughly organized Church in Bohemia,
whence emissaries were sent to Moravia, Saxony, Silesia, and Po-
land. They regarded Lombardy as their headquarters, to which
they sent their youth for instruction, together with moneys col-
lected for the support of the parent Church. All this could not be
concealed from the vigilance of the inquisitors appointed by John
XXII. No doubt active measures of repression were carried out
with little intermission, though chance has only preserved an in-
dication of inquisitorial proceedings about the year 1330. Saaz
and Laun are mentioned as the cities in which heresy was most
prevalent. With the open rupture between the papacy and Louis


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BOHEMIA.
highest bidders, and their sale to the people was accompanied by the
usual scandals, which were well calculated to excite indignation.&lt;ref&gt;Loserth, op. cit. pp. 121-3, 130.—Palacky Documenta, pp. 19-21, 191, 233.—
Mladenowic Relatio (Palacky p. 319).—Jo. Hus Disputatio contra Indulgent. (Monument. I. 174-89); Ejusd. contra Bull. PP. Joannis (Ib. I. 189-91); Ejusd.
Serm. XXII. de Remissione Peccatorum (Ib. II. 74-5).&lt;/ref&gt;

A few days after the disputation a crowd led by Wok of
Waldstein, a favorite of King Wenceslas, carried the papal bulls
of indulgence to the pillory and publicly burned them. The well-
known legend attributes to Jerome of Prague a leading part in
this, and relates that the bulls were strung around the neck of a
strumpet mounted on a cart, who solicited the favor of the mob
with lascivious gestures. No punishment was inflicted on the
participants, and Wok of Waldstein continued to enjoy the royal
favor. The defiance of the pope was complete, and the temper of
the people was shown on July 12, when in three several churches
three young mechanics named Martin, John, and Stanislas, inter-
rupted the preachers proclaiming the indulgences, and declared
them to be a lie. They were arrested and beheaded in spite of
Huss's intercession; many others were imprisoned, and some were
exposed to torture. Then the people assumed a threatening as-
pect;
the three who had been executed were reverenced as mar-
tyrs; tumults occurred, and the prisoners were released. Soon
afterwards a Carmelite was begging at the doors of his church
with an array of relics displayed upon a table, with the indulgences
attached to them to excite the liberality of the pious. A dis-
ciple of Huss denounced the affair as a fraud and kicked over the
table, and when he was seized by the friars a band of armed men
broke into the house and released him, not without bloodshed.&lt;ref&gt;Loserth, op. cit. p. 131.—Palacky Documenta, p. 640.-De Schweinitz, Hist.
of the Unitas Fratrum, pp. 41-2.—Stephani Cartus. Antihussus c. 5 (Pez Thesaur.
Anecd. IV. II. 380, 382).&lt;/ref&gt;

John XXIII. could not avoid taking up the gage of battle
thus thrown down. The Bohemian clergy appealed to him pite-
ously, representing the oppression to which they were subjected,
and stating that many of them had been slain. He promptly re-
sponded. The major excommunication, to be published in all its
awful solemnity in Prague, was pronounced against Huss; the
Bethlehem chapel was ordered to be levelled with the earth; his&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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held another session in which Stephen Palecz and Michael de Causis were busy. The tedium of detention was only broken by a
simple-looking Franciscan, who accosted Huss and asked for instruction on the subject of transubstantiation, and, on being satisfactorily answered, inquired about the union of humanity and
divinity in Christ. Huss recognized that he was no simple inquirer, for he had asked the most difficult question in theology;
he declined further colloquy, and on the retiring of the friar was
informed by the guards that he was Master Didaco, renowned as
the subtlest theologian of Lombardy. About nightfall John of
Chlum was allowed to depart, while Huss was detained, and soon
after Stephen and Michael came exultingly and told him that he
was now in their power, and should not escape till he had paid the
last penny. He was taken under guard to the house of the precentor of the cathedral, in charge of the Bishop of Lausanne,
regent of the apostolic chamber, and after eight days was transferred to the Dominican convent on the Rhine. Here he was
confined in a cell adjoining the latrines, where a fever soon caused
his life to be despaired of. His sudden death would have been a
most untoward event, and the pope sent his own physicians to restore him. It was in vain that his friends in Prague procured
from Archbishop Conrad a declaration affirming that he had never
found Huss to vary from the faith in a single word. His fate had
already been virtually decided.&lt;ref&gt;Richentals Chronik p. 77.-Jo. Hus Monument. I. 5 b.—Von der Hardt IV. 22, 32, 212.-Mladenowic Relatio (Palacky Document. pp. 246–52).{{pbri}}The special rigor of confinement near the latrines was well understood. In 1317, when John XXII. delivered some Spiritual Franciscans to their brethren for safe-keeping, Friar François Sanche &quot;''posuerunt fratres in quodam carcere juxta latrinas.''&quot;—Historia Tribulationum (Archiv. für Litteratur- u. Kirchengeschichte, 1886, p. 146).&lt;/ref&gt;

John of Chlum's first thought on regaining his liberty was to
hasten to the pope and to expostulate with him. When the safe conduct had reached Constance, Chlum had at once exhibited it to
John XXIII., who is reported to have declared, on reading it, that
if his own brother had been slain by Huss the latter should be
safe while in Constance so far as he was concerned. Now he disclaimed all responsibility and threw the blame on the cardinals.&lt;ref&gt;Von der Hardt IV. 11-12, 22.—Mladenowic Relatio (Palacky, p. 251).&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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This question as to the safe-conduct and its violation has been the
subject of so warm a discussion, and it illustrates so completely a
phase of the relations between the Church and heretics, that its
brief consideration here is not out of place.

The imperial safe-conduct issued to Huss was in the ordinary form, without limitation or condition. It was addressed to all the princes and subjects of the empire, ecclesiastical and secular, and to all nobles and magistrates and officials, informing them that Huss was taken into the protection of the king and of the empire, and ordering that he be permitted to pass, remain, and return without impediment, and that all help which he might require should be extended to him. Thus it was not a simple viaticum for protection during the journey from Bohemia, and it was not regarded by any one. That it was intended as a safeguard so during the council and the return home is shown by its issue, October 18, after Huss's departure from Prague, and its reaching him in Constance after his arrival there. That his imprisonment was at once looked upon as a gross violation of the imperial pledge is seen in the protests which John of Chlum affixed to the church doors on December 15, probably as soon as Sigismund could be heard from, and again on the 24th, when the king was near Constance and was to arrive the next day. This paper recited that Huss had come under the imperial protection and safe-conduct to answer in public audience all who might question his faith. That, in the absence of Sigismund, who would not have permitted it, and in contempt of his safe-conduct, Huss had been thrown into prison. That the imperial ambassadors had vainly demanded his release, and that when Sigismund comes he should plainly make known to all men his grief and indignation at this violation of the imperial pledge.&lt;ref&gt;Palacky DocumentA, p. 238.—Von der Hardt IV. 12, 28.—Richentals Chronik p. 76.—Jo. Hus Epist. lvii. (Monument. I.75).—Mladenowic Relatio (Palacky,
p. 253).&lt;/ref&gt;

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This question as to the safe-conduct and its violation has been the
subject of so warm a discussion, and it illustrates so completely a
phase of the relations between the Church and heretics, that its
brief consideration here is not out of place.

The imperial safe-conduct issued to Huss was in the ordinary form, without limitation or condition. It was addressed to all the princes and subjects of the empire, ecclesiastical and secular, and to all nobles and magistrates and officials, informing them that Huss was taken into the protection of the king and of the empire, and ordering that he be permitted to pass, remain, and return without impediment, and that all help which he might require should be extended to him. Thus it was not a simple viaticum for protection during the journey from Bohemia, and it was not regarded by any one. That it was intended as a safeguard so during the council and the return home is shown by its issue, October 18, after Huss's departure from Prague, and its reaching him in Constance after his arrival there. That his imprisonment was at once looked upon as a gross violation of the imperial pledge is seen in the protests which John of Chlum affixed to the church doors on December 15, probably as soon as Sigismund could be heard from, and again on the 24th, when the king was near Constance and was to arrive the next day. This paper recited that Huss had come under the imperial protection and safe-conduct to answer in public audience all who might question his faith. That, in the absence of Sigismund, who would not have permitted it, and in contempt of his safe-conduct, Huss had been thrown into prison. That the imperial ambassadors had vainly demanded his release, and that when Sigismund comes he should plainly make known to all men his grief and indignation at this violation of the imperial pledge.&lt;ref&gt;Palacky DocumentA, p. 238.—Von der Hardt IV. 12, 28.—Richentals Chronik p. 76.—Jo. Hus Epist. lvii. (Monument. I.75).—Mladenowic Relatio (Palacky,
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of Bohemian heresy. Zeal for the Eucharist had long been a
marked peculiarity of religious devotion in Bohemia. The synod
of 1390 promised an indulgence of forty days to all who bent the
knee on the elevation of the host; and the frequent partaking of
the sacrament was repeatedly and strenuously urged by those who
have been classed as the precursors of Huss. Mathias of Janow
had even ventured to recommend that the cup should be restored
to the laity, but the question had never reappeared during the
stormy years in which Huss and his friends had been battling for
the Wickliffite doctrines. According to Æneas Sylvius, a certain
Peter of Dresden, infected with Waldensian errors, had left Prague
with the other Germans in 1409, but was driven from home on
account of his heresy and took refuge again in Prague, where he
supported himself as a teacher of children. He it was who sug-
gested to Jacobel the return to the ancient practice of the Church;
the heretics, delighted to find a question in which they were clear-
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churches of St. Michael, St. Martin, the Bethlehem Chapel, and else-
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marked peculiarity of religious devotion in Bohemia. The synod
of 1390 promised an indulgence of forty days to all who bent the
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the Wickliffite doctrines. According to Æneas Sylvius, a certain
Peter of Dresden, infected with Waldensian errors, had left Prague
with the other Germans in 1409, but was driven from home on
account of his heresy and took refuge again in Prague, where he
supported himself as a teacher of children. He it was who sug-
gested to Jacobel the return to the ancient practice of the Church;
the heretics, delighted to find a question in which they were clear-
ly in the right, eagerly embraced it. The custom spread to the
churches of St. Michael, St. Martin, the Bethlehem Chapel, and else-
where, in spite of the opposition of King Wenceslas and Archbishop Conrad, who vainly threatened secular punishments and ecclesiastical interdicts. Huss was speedily communicated with. He approved of the custom, as indeed he could not well help doing, and his tract in its favor, when conveyed to the disciples, gave a fresh impetus to the movement. It was in vain that on June 15, 1415, the council condemned the use of the cup by the laity, pronounced heretics all priests so administering the sacrament, ordered them to be handed over to the secular arm, and commanded all prelates and inquisitors to prosecute as heretics those who denied the propriety of communion in one element. For more than a century the Utraquists, or Calixtins, as they called themselves, were the ruling party in Bohemia. The consciousness of being in the wrong and of having to justify itself by all manner of trivial excuses rendered the council additionally eager to crush the insubordination of which Huss was the representative.&lt;ref name=&quot;p471_r1&quot;&gt;Mandata Synodalia ann. 1390 (Höfler, Prager Concilien, p. 40).—Æn. Sylvii&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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MSS. VI. 125, 128-9). Von der Hardt III. 335 sqq.; IV. 288–91, 334, 342.—Jo. Hus Monument. I. 42-44, 62, 72.{{pbri}}
The relentless obstinacy with which the Church of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries refused the use of the cup to the laity at the cost of Christian unity and unnumbered troubles is perhaps the most impressive example on record of the perversity of sacerdotalism in sacrificing essentials to non-essentials. No
one denied that in the early Church communion in both elements was administered to all the faithful, as it continued to be without interruption in the Greek
Church. The refusal of the cup to the laity was originally a Manichæan custom, in imitation of the corresponding ancient Izeshne rite of the Mazdeans.
Communion in one element thus became a mark of heresy, and was condemned
as such by Leo the Great (Leon. PP. I. Serm. XLII. cap. 5), about the middle of
the fifth century, and again towards its end by Gelasius I., whose decretal on
the subject is embodied, without comment or contradiction, by Gratian in the
Decretum (P. II. Dist. ii. c. 12), showing that it was still good law in the twelfth
century.{{pbri}} When, however, in the tenth and eleventh centuries the belief in transub-
stantiation became the accepted dogma of the Church, the supreme veneration
felt for the consecrated elements naturally gave rise to the necessity of the ut-
most care in handling them and to excessive dread as to any accidents which
might occur to them; and the penitentials grew full of all manner of penalties
inflicted on priests who, through carelessness, let fall a crumb of the body or a
drop of the blood, for which, by forged decretals of the early popes, a false an-
tiquity was claimed (Decreti 111. ii. 27). Of course the liquid was much more
subject to these accidents, and to decomposition, than the solid, and the minis-
tering priests were sorely tried to avert such profanation and its consequences
to themselves. At first they adopted the ready expedient of dipping the host
in the wine-and-water, and thus administering both elements together, which
was conducive both to safety and comfort. This innovation was condemned by
the Church, but was suppressed with great difficulty. Under Gregory VII. the
author of the Micrologus devotes a chapter to its prohibition (Micrologi c. 19).
In 1095 the great Council of Clermont forbade it, except in cases where it was
demanded by prudence or necessity for the avoidance of accidents (Conc. Claro-
mont. ann. 1095, c. 28); and some twenty years later Paschal II. laid down the
rule that it was only admissible in the communion of infants and the sick who
could not swallow the bread (Paschal PP. II. Epist. 535). In a Bohemian document
dating about the close of the twelfth century the priest carrying the viaticum to
the dying is directed to dip the wafer in the wine so as to avoid accidents and
yet be able to administer both elements (Höfler, Prager Concilien, Einleitung, p.
ix.). When this resource was denied, while the veneration of the sacrament as
the flesh and blood of Christ continued to develop, the custom was gradually&lt;/ref&gt;
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MSS. VI. 125, 128-9). Von der Hardt III. 335 sqq.; IV. 288–91, 334, 342.—Jo. Hus Monument. I. 42-44, 62, 72.{{pbri}}
The relentless obstinacy with which the Church of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries refused the use of the cup to the laity at the cost of Christian unity and unnumbered troubles is perhaps the most impressive example on record of the perversity of sacerdotalism in sacrificing essentials to non-essentials. No
one denied that in the early Church communion in both elements was administered to all the faithful, as it continued to be without interruption in the Greek
Church. The refusal of the cup to the laity was originally a Manichæan custom, in imitation of the corresponding ancient Izeshne rite of the Mazdeans.
Communion in one element thus became a mark of heresy, and was condemned
as such by Leo the Great (Leon. PP. I. Serm. XLII. cap. 5), about the middle of
the fifth century, and again towards its end by Gelasius I., whose decretal on
the subject is embodied, without comment or contradiction, by Gratian in the
Decretum (P. II. Dist. ii. c. 12), showing that it was still good law in the twelfth
century.{{pbri}} When, however, in the tenth and eleventh centuries the belief in transub-
stantiation became the accepted dogma of the Church, the supreme veneration
felt for the consecrated elements naturally gave rise to the necessity of the ut-
most care in handling them and to excessive dread as to any accidents which
might occur to them; and the penitentials grew full of all manner of penalties
inflicted on priests who, through carelessness, let fall a crumb of the body or a
drop of the blood, for which, by forged decretals of the early popes, a false an-
tiquity was claimed (Decreti 111. ii. 27). Of course the liquid was much more
subject to these accidents, and to decomposition, than the solid, and the minis-
tering priests were sorely tried to avert such profanation and its consequences
to themselves. At first they adopted the ready expedient of dipping the host
in the wine-and-water, and thus administering both elements together, which
was conducive both to safety and comfort. This innovation was condemned by
the Church, but was suppressed with great difficulty. Under Gregory VII. the
author of the Micrologus devotes a chapter to its prohibition (Micrologi c. 19).
In 1095 the great Council of Clermont forbade it, except in cases where it was
demanded by prudence or necessity for the avoidance of accidents (Conc. Claro-
mont. ann. 1095, c. 28); and some twenty years later Paschal II. laid down the
rule that it was only admissible in the communion of infants and the sick who
could not swallow the bread (Paschal PP. II. Epist. 535). In a Bohemian document
dating about the close of the twelfth century the priest carrying the viaticum to
the dying is directed to dip the wafer in the wine so as to avoid accidents and
yet be able to administer both elements (Höfler, Prager Concilien, Einleitung, p.
ix.). When this resource was denied, while the veneration of the sacrament as
the flesh and blood of Christ continued to develop, the custom was gradually&lt;/ref&gt;
We have seen that Huss was arrested November 28, 1414.
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presented formal articles of accusation against him. These, drawn
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BOHEMIA.
serting the vitiation of the sacraments in the hands of sinful priests
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*r1=follow=&quot;p471_r1&quot; demned and exterminated as heretics. Disobedience was heresy, and Rome, for
a century, endeavored to convulse Europe on this simple punctilio.
An episode of this question was the communion of infants. This was the
practice of the early Church (Cyprian. de Lapsis c. 25), and St. Innocent I. and St. Gelasius I. had both declared that as soon as infants were baptized the sacrament was necessary to secure them eternal life (Innocent PP. I. Epist. xxx. c. 5; Gelasii PP. I. Ep. VII.). The epistle of Paschal II., quoted above, shows that this was still customary in the twelfth century, but the same causes which led to the withdrawal of the cup from the laity induced the withholding of the sacrament from infants, who were liable at any moment unconsciously to commit sacrilege with the body and blood of Christ. In their enthusiasm for the Eucharist the Bohemians naturally recurred to infantile communion, and their obstinacy in this gave the fathers of Basle infinite trouble. After the reconciliation of 1436 the question still remained disputed. The feeling about it is well defined by the Bishop of Coutances, legate of the Council of Basle in Prague, who was horror-stricken when, April 28, 1437, Rokyzana administered communion to a number of infants, and one of them ejected the wafer from its mouth, forcing Rokyzana quietly to replace it. This incident was evidently regarded as the most convincing argument, and the terms in which it is alluded to show how profound was the terror which it was expected to create (Jo. de Turonis Regestrum; Monument. Conc. Gen. Sæc. XV. T. I. p. 863). At the Council of Constance it was gravely argued that if a layman allowed the wine to moisten his beard he ought to be burned with his beard (Von der Hardt III. 369). Gerson was not quite so absurd, but he did not shrink from alleging such reasons as the expensiveness of wine and its liability to turn sour (ib. 771 sqq.). In 1391, when John Malkaw, in preaching against the concubinary priesthood, hotly declared that he would rather place reverently on the ground a consecrated wafer than violate his vow of chastity, Böckeler, the Strassburg inquisitor, in trying him, made this the ground of a charge of heresy with respect to the sacrament of the altar (Haupt, Zeitschrift für Kirchengeschichte, 1883, pp. 366–7).{{pbri}} In older times the Church had felt no such exaggerated reverence for the elements. In 646 Pope Theodore, when he excommunicated Pyrrhus, the refugee Patriarch of Constantinople, mingled consecrated wine from the cup with the ink with which he signed the sentence; and in 869 the Council of Constantinople adopted the same device in condemning Photius.—Chr. Lupi Dissert. de Sexta Synodo c. v. (Opp. III. 25). {{pbri}} As a matter of course the vilest stories were circulated to inspire the faithful with abhorrence for the Bohemian innovations. It was said that the wine was consecrated in bottles and barrels; that the sectaries held conventicles in cellars, where they would partake of it to intoxication and then commit all manner of sexual abominations (Laur. Byzyn. Diar. Bell. Hussit.; Ludewig VI. 129-30).&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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a century, endeavored to convulse Europe on this simple punctilio.
An episode of this question was the communion of infants. This was the
practice of the early Church (Cyprian. de Lapsis c. 25), and St. Innocent I. and St. Gelasius I. had both declared that as soon as infants were baptized the sacrament was necessary to secure them eternal life (Innocent PP. I. Epist. xxx. c. 5; Gelasii PP. I. Ep. VII.). The epistle of Paschal II., quoted above, shows that this was still customary in the twelfth century, but the same causes which led to the withdrawal of the cup from the laity induced the withholding of the sacrament from infants, who were liable at any moment unconsciously to commit sacrilege with the body and blood of Christ. In their enthusiasm for the Eucharist the Bohemians naturally recurred to infantile communion, and their obstinacy in this gave the fathers of Basle infinite trouble. After the reconciliation of 1436 the question still remained disputed. The feeling about it is well defined by the Bishop of Coutances, legate of the Council of Basle in Prague, who was horror-stricken when, April 28, 1437, Rokyzana administered communion to a number of infants, and one of them ejected the wafer from its mouth, forcing Rokyzana quietly to replace it. This incident was evidently regarded as the most convincing argument, and the terms in which it is alluded to show how profound was the terror which it was expected to create (Jo. de Turonis Regestrum; Monument. Conc. Gen. Sæc. XV. T. I. p. 863). At the Council of Constance it was gravely argued that if a layman allowed the wine to moisten his beard he ought to be burned with his beard (Von der Hardt III. 369). Gerson was not quite so absurd, but he did not shrink from alleging such reasons as the expensiveness of wine and its liability to turn sour (ib. 771 sqq.). In 1391, when John Malkaw, in preaching against the concubinary priesthood, hotly declared that he would rather place reverently on the ground a consecrated wafer than violate his vow of chastity, Böckeler, the Strassburg inquisitor, in trying him, made this the ground of a charge of heresy with respect to the sacrament of the altar (Haupt, Zeitschrift für Kirchengeschichte, 1883, pp. 366–7).{{pbri}} In older times the Church had felt no such exaggerated reverence for the elements. In 646 Pope Theodore, when he excommunicated Pyrrhus, the refugee Patriarch of Constantinople, mingled consecrated wine from the cup with the ink with which he signed the sentence; and in 869 the Council of Constantinople adopted the same device in condemning Photius.—Chr. Lupi Dissert. de Sexta Synodo c. v. (Opp. III. 25). {{pbri}} As a matter of course the vilest stories were circulated to inspire the faithful with abhorrence for the Bohemian innovations. It was said that the wine was consecrated in bottles and barrels; that the sectaries held conventicles in cellars, where they would partake of it to intoxication and then commit all manner of sexual abominations (Laur. Byzyn. Diar. Bell. Hussit.; Ludewig VI. 129-30).&lt;/ref&gt;
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objects were perhaps never seen. Not a comfort or ,cori- 1788 
venience could be got for them^ -besides the very few we 12 July, 
had with us/'* 
In another last note to Nepean, Phillip mentioned some 
other necessaries which were very much needed at the 
same time. The italics in this letter, as well as the spelling, 
are his own. 
To the articles which I have mentioned as more immediately 
wanted, the following, tho' so very necessary, hi^ve escaped my 
memory till this moment : — Leather for eoals for the men's shooes Repain 
&lt;md the materuds /or moiiding them. Shooes here last hut a very ^*^**'» 
short time, and the want of these materials, and thread to mend 
the cloathing, will render it impossible to make them serve more 
than half the time for which they were intended. This coimtry 
requires warm cloathing in the winter. The rains are frequent, 
and the nights very cold. 
Vinegar will be very acceptable ; it is much wanted. and vinegar. 
The next despatch to Lord Sydney was written in com- 
pliance with the Boyal instruction that full reports should Reports on 
be transmitted with respect to the natives, and also con- and the 
ceming ^^ the actual state and quality of the soil at and near 
the settlement, the probable and most efPectual means of 
improving and cultivating the same, and of the mode, and 
upon what terms and conditions, the lands should be 
granted.&quot;t Phillip was not at this time in a position to 
report specially upon either of these topics. All the in- 
formation he had been able to gather about them he had 
already conveyed to the Home Secretary ; but conceiving 
that something in the shape of a formal report was expected 
* Journal, p. 122. He adds : — &quot; The sick have increased since our land- 
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^d artificers alroad^ employed on it. From which it would appear that 
M. P^ron was misinformed when he stated that a hospital had been 
brought out in frame from England, capable of receiving all the sick on 
board the Fleet. A hospital was brought out in frame m the Justinian, 
which arrived in June, 1790 ; hence, probably, P^ron's mistake. The only 
building brought out in the First Fleet was a small house for the Governor 
— *' a portable canvas house,*' Collins calls it,— p. 6. 
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But this method of punishing political offenders was checked by 
Magna Charta, which declared that no freeman should be outlawed Magna 
or exiled but by lawful judgment of his peers, or by the law of the 
land* 
Some of the most conspicuous instances of banishment by Act Attainder. 
of Parliament in modem times are — 
The Earl of Clarendon— 19 Car. II, c. 10 (1679). 
Sir Thomas Sandys— 22 &amp; 23 Car. II, c. 1 (1682). 
Francis, Lord Bishop of Rochester— 9 Geo. I, c. 17 (1723). 
The first Act of Parli;iment by which banishment from the 
realm was recognised as a method of punishing offenders was 
passed in 1597,t for the purpose of dealing with the &quot;rogues, Vtgranta. 
vagabonds, and sturdy beggars&quot; who formed one of the great 
social troubles of the Tudor times. It enacted that &quot; dangerous 
rogues, and such as will not be reformed of their roguish course of 
life, may lawfully, by the Justices in their Quarter Sessions, be 
banished out of the realm and all other the dominions thereof, 
into such parts beyond the seas as shall be for that purpose assigned Transport- 
by the Privy Council ; or otherwise be adjudged perpetually to the the gaUey. 
gallies of this realm.&quot; By the same statute every rogue so banished 
and returning without license was made guilty of felony, but 
within the benefit of clergy, t And for the better indemnifying 
the nation against such rogues so returning, it was also enacted 
that prior to their banishment they should be &quot; thoroughly burned 
upon the left shoulder with a hot burning-iron of the breadth of BrandiDg. 
an English shilling, with a great Roman R upon the iron, for a 
perpetual mark upon such rogue duiing his or her life.&quot; 
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banishment from the realm — afterwards known as transportation 
* Banishment as a judicial sentence prevailed in Scotland from the seven- 
teenth century. It was applied in ordinary cases as well as in political 
disturbances, and probably owed its origin to the difficulty of providing 
accommodation in the tolbooths. Banishment &amp;om the Sovereign's &quot; hail 
dominions fuith of Scotland,&quot; or from one district of Scotland to another, 
was a common sentence. . . The ordinary place of exile during the 
eighteenth century was &quot; His Majesty's plantations in America.&quot; — ^Rogers, 
Social Life in Scotland, vol. i, p. 37. 
t 39 Eliz., c. 4. 
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felony might claim the right of trial by compurgation before their fellow 
priests. If the claim was allowed, the accused was handed over to the 
Ordinary ; in other words, to the safe keeping of the Bishop of the diocese. 
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B1CHING3 AND PLATES WITH THE GBAVEB. 
PORTRAITS. 

Thomas Sydenham, Bishop of 'Worcester; after Jlra Becde. 
John 'WilHns, Bishop of Chester ; afttr the same. 
Anthony, Earl of Shaftesbury ; after Greenhill. One of 
the scarcest prints of this artist. 
Edward, Earl of Sandwich ; after Lely. 
Edward, Earl of Montagu ; after the same. 
James, Duke of Monmouth ; after the same. 
Cornells Tromp, Admiral of Holland ; after the same 
Prince Rupert ; after the same. 1673. 
Aert van Nes, Admiral of Holland ; L. de Jonghe pinx. 
Constautijn Huygen ; after Netscher. 
John Henry T him ; A . Stech pinx. 
Jerome de Bevemingh ; after Yaillant. 
&quot;Willem van Haren ; after the same. 1680. 
Egbert Meesz Kortenaer, Admiral of Holland ; Bart. 
van der Heht pinx. 
The Marquis de Mirabelle ; after Van Ifuck. 
Ferdinand de Furstenberg, Bishop of Paderbom ; A. 
Bloteling sc. 1669. 
Michel Adriaensz de Euyter, Admiral ; Bloteling fee. 
aqua forti. 
Sir Thomas More, Lord High Chancellor. 
Edward StiUingfleet, Canon of St. Paul's. 
Henry, Duke of Norfolk. 1678. 
Jane, Duchess of Norfolk. 1681. 
Augustus Stellingwerf, Admiral of Friesland. 
Cornells de &quot;Wit, Vice Admiral of Holland. 
Tierck Hides de Fries, Admiral of Friesland. 
Comelis Speelman, Vice Admiral. 

VARIOUS SUBJECTS AFTER HIS OWN DESIGNS 
AND OTHER MASIERS. 

Twelve Views of Gardens ; inscribed Alcune I'edute, tfc. 
Eighteen circular plates of subjects of sacred history, 
with flowers; A. Bloteling fee. 
A Landscape, with Diana bathing; J. van Xeck pinx. ; 
A. Bloteling exc. 
A Landscape, with Alpheus and Arethusa ; the same. 
Six Views of the Sivirons of Amsterdam ; Jac. HuiS' 
daelinv. ; A. Bloteling fee. 1670. 
Act^eon devoured by his Dogs ; G. Flink pinx. 
A Shepherd playing on his Pipe, with a Shepherdess ; 
after the same. 
The Golden Age ; G. Lairesse pinx. ; X. J'isscher exc. 
The Marriage of St. Catharine ; afttr Raphael. 
Two Heads of Children ; after Rubens ; rare ; some 
impressions have the name of Rubens. 
The Study of the Head of a Man; after Ruiens; A. 
Bloteling fee. et exc. ; rare. 
Foot Stuclies of Lions: after Subens; inscribed Varia 
Leonum Icones, a P. P. 
Two Huntings of the Boar and Stag ; fine. 

PRINTS IN MEZZOTINT. 

PORTRAITS. 
Justus Lipsius ; A. Bloteling fee. 
Michelangelo Buonarroti ; A . Bloteling fee. 
Fraus JiieTUi, painted ly himself; A. Bloteling fee. 
Jan de Wit, Grsiud Pensionary of Holland ; after De Baan. 
Comelis de 'Wit, the brother of Jan : after Be Baan. 
Staverinus, an old Jew, holding a Medal : Corn. Bega pinx. 
l^tus Gates : Saicker pinx. 
Desiderius Erasmus ; M. Holbein pinx. 1671. 
Henry Bennet, Earl of ArUngton ; after Lely ; oval. 
Charles, Earl of Derby ; after the same. 
Abraham Symmonds. an artist ; after the same. 
Queen Catharine ; after the same. 
'William Henry, Prince of Orange ; after the same. 1678. 
Xell Gwyn ; P. Lely pinx 
Mary of Modena, Duchess of York ; after the same. 
Comelis Tromp. Admiral of Holland ; after the same. 
Michiel Adrieusz de Ruijter, Admiral of Holland ; J. 
Lievens pinx. 
The Emperor Leopold I. ; C. Jforad pinr. 
Henry Ca.simir, Prince of Nassau ; J/, van Muscher pinx. 
Portrait of a &quot;Venetian Lady ; Titiano inv. 
Constantiin Huygens ; B. Valliant pinx, 
Jan de Cronefeld ; after the same. 

VARIOUS SUBJECTS FROM HIS OWN DESIGNS ASO 
OTHER MASTERS. 

The Five Senses ; after C. Bega. 
The Four Ages ; circular ; after the same. 
Hercules destroying the monster ; G. Lairesse pinx. 
St. Peter penitent ; after P. Moreels. 
A Landscape, with mythological figures ; F. de Neve 
pinx. 
The Temptation of St. Anthony ; Cam. Procaccini pinx, 
A Man holding a glass ; Rostrate pinx. 
Bust of a Man ; circular. 
Bust of a young Man crowned with laurels ; circular. 
Bust of Hippolyta ; oval. 
Two Heads, with Phrygian and Grecian Head-dresses ; 
one plate. 
The Satyr, and a Peasant ; oval. 
Vanitas, a Child blowing bubbles. 
Abundance, a figure sitting. 
The head of a Vestal, crowned with roses. 
Small bust of Jupiter ; circular. 
Small bust of Venus ; same. 
Half length of a Boy holding a Cat. 
Cupid and Psyche. 
A Blind Man playing on the Flute. 
Andromeda. 

BLOT, Maurice, a French line-engraver, was born 
in Paris in 1754. He was a pupil of Augustin da 
St. Aubin, and engraved some portraits and fancy 
subjects in a neat style. He died in Paris in 1818. 
We have by liim : 

L'Occupatiou du Menage, and Companion ; after Aubry. 
La Promesse de Manage, and Le Verrou ; g/Vt Fra- 
gonard. 
Marcus Sextus ; after Guerin. 
Meditation ; after Guide. 
A Boy blowing bubbles ; after F. Mieris, 
Mars and Venus ; after N. Poussin. 
La Vierge aux Candelabres ; after Raphael, 
Vanity : after Leonardo da J 'inei. 
The Judgment of Paris; after Van der Werf. 
The Dauphin and Madame Royal, the children of Louis 
XVI.; after Madame Le Brun. 1786. 
Giovanni Angelo Braschi, Pope Pius VI., a frontispiece 
for the Life of that pontiff. 1799. 
Jupiter and lo ; after Regnault (Musee Fr3U(;ais). 
Jupiter and Calisto ; after the same (Musee Fran^ais). 
AndrS Guillaume de Gery, abb&lt;5 of St. GeneWeve ; after 
himself. 

BLOTELING. See Blooteling. 

BLUNCK, DiTLEv Conrad, who was bom at 
Breitenbur^. near Itzelioe, in 1799, studied from 
1814 to 1827 in the Academy of Copenhagen, under 
Eckersberg. In 1828 he went to Rome, where he 
spent ten years, and was much influenced by the 
style of Carstens. On his return from Italy he 
lived at Vienna and at Hamburg, w^here he died in 
1853. Among his best works are the following : 
Christian IV. at Rothenburg. 1823. 
Elijah raising the 'U'idow's Son to life. 1827. 
The Four Ages of Man. 
Manifestation of God to '
Th?l!^^ver'a?-his work- 
table. 1826. ; 
Noah in the Ark  Thonealdsen Mu- 
Thorwaldsen with Danish V . um, Copenhagen. 
Artists in a Roman Inn. )  

BLYHOOFT, Zachabias, a Dutch painter, of 
whom but little is known ; it is supposed that he 
lived at iliddelburg between 1625 and 1700. Two 
pictures by him are noticed in the Catalogues of 
Hoet and Tervvesten, and, in regard to their merit, 
compared to those of Netscher. For this reason 
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those of the earlier period, who invented their own 
subjects. He sometimes marked his plates (&gt; 
with his name, and sometimes with the ciplier ljC| 
annexed. The foUowine are his principal fi=J 
works : 

COPrER-PLATES. 

The Portrait of George Wicelans. 1542. 
The Portrait of Jolin II., Abbot of Fulda. 
Samson and Dehlah ; Juhatines Brosamer Fulda degetis 
faciebat, 15 M. B. 45. 
David and Bathslieba. 
Solomon and his Wives worshipping the Idol. 1543. 
Xantippe ridmg on Socrates. 
Laocoon and his Children. 1533. 
Marcus Curtlus leaping into the Gulf ; circular. 1540. 
The Judgment of Paris. 
The Crucifixion ; Joh. Brosamer Fulda degens faciebat, 
1542; fine. 

WOODCUTS. 

Creation of Eve. 
Eve giving Adam the apple. 
Bathsheba in the Bath. 
Queen of Sheba before Solomon. 
The I.ast Supper. 
SS. Jerome, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James 
the Great. 
John the Baptist in Prison. 
Twenty-one pieces from the Eevelation. 

PORTRAITS. 

Eoben Hess, the poet. 
George Sturtz, physician. 
Phihp, Landgrave of Hesse. 
Hans Sachs : with the following inscription : &quot; 1545. 
Hans Sachs. Alter 51 j.ar : &quot; Hans Sachs, at the age 
of 51. 1545. On this print M. Derschau observes, on 
the authority of a MS. note on an old impression, 
that Brosamer had made a gift of this engraving to 
the * ma.ster-singer ' on the 51st anniversary of his 
birth. V. B. S 

BROSTERHOUS, Jan van, (Bbostebhust, or 
Brosterhuizen,) is the name of a landscape 
painter and engraver of the early part of the 18th 
centm'y. Little is known of his life, but he is said 
to have resided in the Netherlands. He etched in 
the style of Ruisdael, and his plates, of which six- 
teen are known, representing landscapes, villages, 
&amp;c., are executed in a tasteful and pleasing man- 
ner. They are signed 
th. &amp; B, ov a. B and an R 
interlaced. 

BROSTOLONI, Giovaxn'I Battista, an Italian 
engraver, was born at Venice about the year 1726. 
He is said to have been a pupil of Joseph Wagner. 
We have the following plates by him : 
Portrait of Pope Benedict XTV. ; an oval plate. 
A Vignette, vith the Portrait of Benedict XTV. 
St. Theresa in Adoration. 
A set of twenty Views in Venice ; after Canaletti. 1763. 
Another set of twelve large plates ; after the same, with 
the Ceremonies of the Election of the Doge, and his 
Marriage with the Adriatic. 

BROUCK, Moses Vtt den, (or Van Bbouck). 
See Uytenbrodck. 

BROUWER, Adbiaen, (or BRAtro'EB, or De 
Bradwere.) was bom about the year 1605, pro- 
bably at Gudenaerde. Haarlem is considered by 
some writers to be the place of his birth. As 
related by Houbraken and Descaraps, the life of 
Brouwer is a tale of opportunities wasted and 
talents misapplied, a tale of drunken bouts and 
times of poverty. But later researches have dis- 
covered sufficient to do more than throw doubts 
even on these statements ; and in his epitaph, pub 
lished by Do Bie, we read that he was ' a man of 
great mind, who rejected every splendour of the 
world, and who despised gain and riches.' His 
mother, a dressmaker at Haarlem, entrusted young 
Adriaen to the tender care of Hals, who, if report 
speak true, used him but ill. He made him work 
without ceasing, and starved him for his pains. 
Leaving Hals, Brouwer wandered to Amsterdam, 
where his talents soon met with the recognition 
they deserved. From Amsterdam he went to 
Antwerp, where he was thrown into prison as a 
spy. He was released through his own talents 
and the intercession of Rubens, who would have 
had him reside with him. But his biographers 
tell us that he considered Rubens's splendour 
little better than the Duke of Arenberg's prison. 
In 1631-32, Brouwer was received into the Guild 
of St. Luke at Antwerp, and in that year liia 
portrait was painted by Van Dyck ; in 1634-5 he 
was made a member of the society called ' The 
Violet.' He died at Antwerp in 1638, and was 
buried in the Church of the Carmelites. Genuine 
works by Brouwer are now rarely met with ; they 
were highly esteemed even in his own time. Rubens 
and Rembrandt both possessed several of them. 
Though resident for some time at Antwerp, he is 
essentially Dutch in character ; and almost without 
exception his pictures represent Dutch interiors, 
with peasants, drinking, smoking, and playing, and 
as often as not quarrelling ; and they are /^&quot;^ 
especially esteemed for their colouring. X ^ 
The following are some of the principal : 
Amsterdam. Museum, A Village Kevel. 
BerUn Jluseum. The Toilet (engraved in the series 
of ' The fStten Sins ' as ' iS«- 
perbia ') ; doubled. 

Brussels. Museum. A Fight in a Cibaret 
„ Arenberg Col. Interior of a Tavern. 
Cassel. Gallery. Peasants Playing Cards. 
„ „ Peasants in an .le-house. 
Dresden Gallery. Two Peasants Fighting. 
„ „ Two Peasants Sitting at a Table. 
„ „ A Caricature (a study). 
Dulwich. Gallery. Interior of an Ale-house. 
Florence. UJUzi. Peasants Drinking in a Tavern. 
„ „ The Topers. 
Frankfort. Stdilel. A Peasant doctormg the foot of 
another Peasant. 
„ „ A Peasant having his back doc- 
tored. A. B. 
,, „ A Man taking Medicine. A. B. 
London. Bridaewater i r» i. o- 
flouse.  Peasants Singing. 
„ Hertford House. A Sleeping Peasant. 
Madrid. Museum. The Comic Trio. 
Munich. Pinakot/tek. Feasants playing Cards. 
„ „ Spanish Soldiers playing at Dice. 
„ „ Three Peasants smoking. 
„ „ A Peasant playing the Fiddle 
while others sing. 
., „ Two Peasants fighting separated 
by a third. 
„ ., Peasants fighting in an Ale-house. 
„ ., A Village Doctor dressing a Pea- 
sant's Arm. 
„ ., Peasants Singing. 
., „ -A. Peasant with a Lame Foot. 
Paris. Louvre. Interior of a Smoking-room. 
„ „ The Smoker. A. b. 
Pestb. Gallery. Peasants drinking. 
Petersburg. JJer/'nVnyf. The Drinker {with monogram). 
„ „ Peasants in an Ale-house. 
„ „ Peasants quarrelling. 
„ The Flute Player. 
Vienna. Gallery. A Peasant sitti;ig on a Cask. 
„ Czeriiin Coll. Peasants. 

We have a few etchings by Brouwer, executed 
with great spirit, and full of character, as follow: 

A company of four Peasants ; inscribed T^ $a vrienden. t^c. 
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&quot;It must be about noon,&quot; observed Henry, looking at the sun. And as he spoke the faint 
echo of mill bells in the distance was heard. 

&quot;Henry!&quot; said Jess sharply. &quot;Let's live here!&quot;
 
&quot;Live here?&quot; repeated Henry dully.
 
&quot;Yes! Why not?&quot; replied Jess. &quot;Nobody uses this car, and it's dry and warm. We're quite far away. And yet we are near enough to a town so we can buy things.&quot;
 
&quot;And we're near water,&quot; added Violet.
 
Jess hugged her sister. &quot;So we are, little mouse,&quot; she said—&quot;the most important thing of all.&quot;
 
&quot;But—&quot; began Henry.
 
&quot;Please, Henry,&quot; said Jess excitedly. &quot;I could make this old freight car into the dearest little house, with beds, and chairs, and a table—and dishes—&quot;
 
&quot;I'd like to live here, too,&quot; said a determined little voice from the corner, &quot;but I don't want to, unless—&quot;
 
&quot;Unless what?&quot; asked Henry, panic-stricken.
 
&quot;Unless I can have my dinner,&quot; Benny finished anxiously.
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Jess cut the last loaf of bread into four pieces, but alas! it was very dry. The children were so hungry that they tore it with their teeth like little dogs, but Benny was nearly crying. He did not actually cry, however, for just at the crucial moment Violet started a funny story about Cinnamon Bear eating bread crusts out of the ash can.
 
&quot;He ought to have milk,&quot; said Jess quietly to Henry.
 
&quot;He shall have milk,&quot; replied Henry. &quot;I'll go down the railroad track to the town and get some.&quot;
 
Jess counted out a dollar in ten dimes and handed it to Henry, &quot;By the time our four dollars are gone, you will have some work to do,&quot; she said. 

All the same Henry did not like to begin his trip. &quot;How I hate to leave you alone, Jess!&quot; he said miserably. 

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Two hundred and forty-three medals in the collection of F. Orsini. 

DETACHED PRINTS AFTER HIS OWN DESIGNS. 

The Annunciation. 
The Repose in Egypt 
The Virgin and ChUd, with St. John. 
The Crucifixion. 
The Mystery of the Sacrament ; 1676 ; in two sheets. 
Meleager and Atalanta ; circular. 
Venus and Adonis ; the same. 
The Carrousel of 1662. 
His own Portrait. 

SUBJECTS AFTER VARIOUS MASTERS. 

Christ with the Disciples at Emmaus ; after Titian ; 
the same subject that is so finely engraved by Jfasson, 
called the ' Table-Cloth.' 
A Concert; after Vomenichino ; also engraved by Pirart. 
The Life of bt. Brmio ; after the pictures by Le Sueur, 
originally in the Convent of the Carthusians at Paris ; 
twenty-three plates. 
The Xatirity ; after L. de La Hyre. 
The Holy Family ; after the same. 
Meleager presenting the Head of the Boar to Atalanta ; 
after the same. 
The Triumphal Arch for the Place Danphine; after 
Lebri'.n. 
Portrait of Eabelais ; frontispiece to the first edition of 
his ' Epitres,' 1651. 

CHAUVIN, Pierre Athanase, a French land- 
scape painter, was born in Paris in 1774. He was 
a pupil of Valenciennes, and prssed the greater 
part of his life at Rome, where he died in 1832. 
Many of his works are in England, Russia, and 
Germany. A ' View in the environs of Naples ' is 
in the Museum of Montpellier. 

CHAVANNE, Pierre Salohon Domenchin de. 
See DoMENcniN de Chavanne. 

CHAVANNES. See Pnvis. 

CHAVARITO, UOMISGO, a Spanish historical 
painter, was bom in Granada in 1676, and there 
learned the rudiments of art from Josef Risueno. 
He afterwards went to Rome and studied under 
Benedetto Luti, but returned to his native city, and 
died there in 1750. His works, which are chiefly 
in the private houses of Granada, are good in 
colour and in composition. 

CHAZAL, AsTOiNE, a French painter of flowers 
and of portraits, as well as an engraver, was bora 
in Paris in 1793. He studied under Misbach, 
Bidauld, and Van Spaendonck, and became Pro- 
fessor of Iconography at the Jardin des Plantes. 
Besides portraits, flowers, and fruit, he painted a 
few landscapes and altar-pieces for churches. He 
also engraved a portrait of Cardinal La Fare. 
Chazal died in Paris in 1854. 

CHAZAL, Charles Camille, a French painter, 
and son of Antoine Cljazal, was born in Paris in 
1825. He studied under Drolling and Picot, and 
entered the Ecole des Beaux-Arts in 1842. His 
' Institution of the Eucharist,' p:iint. d in 1863, is 
in the church of St. Louis-en-l'Iie at Paris. He 
died in 1875. 

CHAZERAND, Claude Louis Alexandre, a 
French historical painter, was born at Besanjon 
in 1757. The Museum of his native city has some 
paintings and sketches by him which are not with- 
out merit. He died at Besan9on in 1795. 

CHEDEL, QuiNTiN Pierre, a French designer 
and engraver, was born at ChSlons-sur-Mame in 
1705. He received his earliest instruction in the 
studio of Le Moine, but having chosen engraving 
as his profession, he after^vards became a pupil of 
Laurent Cars. His talent in designing and engrav- 
ing vignettes caused liim to be much employed by 
the booksellers of Paris. His plates are etched 
vilh great spirit, and sometimes finished ^-ith the 
graver in a style of unusual ability. He died at 
Paris in 1762. Among his numerous works the best 
known is the series of illustrations after Boucher 
to Duclos' romance, ' Acajou et Zirphile &quot; ; the 
following are also deserving of notice : 

SUBJECTS from HIS OWN DESIGNS. 

A set of six Landscapes ; dedicated to Madame de Pom-padour. 
Six plates of Battles ; dedicated to Coimt Turpm de Ceisse. 
The Village Wediling. and the Village Feast. 
Two Landscapes with Euins, called 'Les Ruiues de 
Cumes.' 

SUBJECTS AFTER N'ARIOUS MASTERS. 
Four of Attacks of Cavalry ; after Van derJfeuleit. 
Four of Landscapes with Kuius ; after Boticher. 
Two of Sea-pieces with Fishermen ; after A. Willaerts. 
Day-break, a Landscape ; after Teniers. 
A Landscape, figures and horses ; after tfouicerman. 
A Sea-port ; after the same. 
The Writing School ; after OstaJe. 
The Reading School ; after the savie. 

CHEESMAN, Thomas, a pupil of Bartolojzi, 
was a well-known engraver, who was bom in 1760. 
He worked both in stipple and in mezzotint. Among 
iiis best works are some portraits after Roraney, and 
'The Lady's Last Stake' after Hogarth. He also 
exliibited water-colour drawings at the Academy. 
He died about 1820, the date of his last exliibition. 

CHELINI. PiERO, a painter of Florence, who in 
the loth century executed frescoes in the Bigallo of 
that city, consisting of scenes from the life of St. 
Peter Martyr, and representations of the reception 
of lost children (the purpose of that building) ; these 
he completed in 1444. A ' Burial of Christ ' in the 
belfry of San Remigio is also by him. 

CHENAVARD, AlMfi, a French decorative 
painter and draughtsman, was born at Lyons in 
1798. He published ' Nouveau Recueil de Decor- 
ations interieures,' 1833-35, and 'Album de I'Or- 
neraaniste.' 1835. He died in Paris in 1838. 

CHENDA, IL. See Rivabola. 

CHENOIS, Claude, a French historical painter, 
was a native of Lorraine, and flourished at Nancy 
in 1527. The Museum of that city possesses a 
picture by him which shows considerable talent. 

CHENU, AUGUSTIN Fleury, a French landscape 
painter, was bom at Lyons about 1835. He re- 
ceived his art education in the Academy of his 
native city, and became a successful painter of 
snow-scenes. He died in 1875. 

CHENU, Pierre, was a French engraver, born 
in Paris in 1718. He was a pupil of P. Le Bas, 
and engraved several portraits and other subjects, 
in a slight, agreeable style. Several of his engrav- 
ings were executed for the work on the Dresden 
Gallery. He likewise engraved some of Oudrj's 
designs for La Fontaine's Fables, and some plates 
after Eisen for the ' Christiade ' of the Abb6 de 
La Baume-Desdossat. He died about 1780. We 
have also by him the following : 

PORTRAITS. 

Francis I., King of France ; after yiccolo dell' Albaie. 
Antoine Perrenot, Cardinal de GranveUe. 
Pierre Carlet de Champlain de Marivaux, of the French Academy. 
Madame Favart, actress ; after Garand. 
Bust of Diderot. 
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CLEMENTONE. See {{sc|Bocciardo}}.

CLENNELL, {{sc|Luke}}, an English painter, and engraver on wood, of extraordinary genius and talent, the son of a farmer, was born at Ulgham, near Morpeth, in Northumberland, in 1781. His early disposition for drawing, and neglect of other studies or pursuits, induced his friends to place him, in 1797, with the celebrated Bewick, in whose art he soon showed great skill. But he did not confine himself to engraving; he produced several pictures which attracted public attention, and gave promise of future excellence as a painter. Among these were the 'Arrival of the Mackerel Boat,' and the 'Day after the Fair,' in which he gave a happy delineation of rustic character, and showed great knowledge of colour. His picture of the 'Decisive Charge made by the Lifeguards at the Battle of Waterloo,' which was afterwards engraved by Bromley, established his reputation; but its excellence assisted in the melancholy termination of his existence. In consequence of the sensation which it produced, he was selected to paint the entertainment given by the city of London at the Guildhall to the allied sovereigns, nobles, and generals who had shared in that memorable battle. The honour was fatal to his health and life. The vexations he had to encounter from vanity, caprice, and supercilious arrogance, affected his mind so much that he lost his reason. This was in 1817, and though he recovered his reason partially for some years, yet the malady returned in 1831, and he was removed to an asylum at Newcastle-on-Tyne, where he died in 1840. Clennell was skilful in composition, and in seizing the true points of character; he had great power of execution, and was well acquainted with the practical parts of art. He engraved the cuts to [[Author:William Falconer (1732-1769)|Falconer's]] '[The Shipwreck (Falconer, 1762)|Shipwreck]],' and [[Author:Samuel Rogers|Rogers's]] 'Poems,' after Stothard, as well as the Diploma of the Highland Society after West. He made many drawings for [[Author:Walter Scott|Scott's]] 'Border Antiquities,' and was a frequent exhibitor at the Royal Academy and the Water-Colour Exhibition. The South Kensington Museum has three pictures by him.

CLEOPHANTUS, an ancient Corinthian artist, who flourished about {{asc|B.C.}} 650, and is said to have been the first to fill up the contour of the figure with one colour, for which invention he received the name of 'Monocromatos.'

CLERC, {{sc|Jean}} and {{sc|Sébastien le.}} See {{sc|Leclerc}}.

CLERCK, {{sc|Hendrik de}}. See {{sc|De Clerck}}.

CLERGET, {{sc|Adèle}}. See {{sc|Melling}}.

CLÉRISSEAU, {{sc|Charles Louis}}, an architect and water-colour draughtsman, was born in Paris in 1722. He visited Rome, where he resided some time, and became well acquainted with the artists of that city, especially Winckelmann. He accompanied Robert Adams to England, where he remained some time, and made the drawings for the 'Ruins of Spalatro,' which was published in 1764. On his return to France in 1778, he published the 'Antiquites de France,' 'Monumens de Nimes,' and other works; and was appointed, in 1783, architect to the Empress of Russia. He is, however, best known to the world by his fine drawings in water-colours of the remains of ancient architecture, which are held in high estimation. An example, 'Tivoli,' executed in 1769, is in the South Kensington Museum. The figures in his works were drawn by Antonio Zucchi. He died at Auteuil, near Paris, in 1820, in his 99th year.

CLERK, {{sc|John}}, of Eldin, an amateur draughtsman and etcher, was a son of Sir John Clerk, of Penicuik, Bart. He was born at Penicuik in 1728, and was for some years a merchant in Edinburgh, but he relinquished mercantile pursuits to become Secretary to the Commissioners on the Annexed Estates in Scotland. From an early period of his life he evinced a fondness for sketching from nature, and many of these sketches he afterwards etched on copper. In 1855 the Bannatyne Club issued a series of his etchings, chiefly views in Scotland, and some of his drawings were engraved for Sibbald's 'Edinburgh Magazine.' He was the father of Lord Eldin, one of the Lords of Session, and was the author of an essay on 'Naval Tactics,' which gave rise to much controversy. He died at Eldin in 1812.

CLESIDES. See {{sc|Ctesicles}}.

CLEVE, {{sc|Van}}. See {{sc|Cleef}}.

CLEVELEY, {{sc|John}}, an English marine painter, was born in London about 1745. He was brought up in the dockyard at Deptford, and studied watercolour painting under Paul Sandby; afterwards, he became a draughtsman in the navy, and in 1774 accompanied Captain Phipps (afterwards Lord Mulgrave) in his voyage of discovery to the Arctic Regions. He also went with [[Author:Joseph Banks|Sir Joseph Banks]] to Iceland. He sometimes painted in oil, and was an exhibitor at the Royal Academy from 1770 till 1786. Many of his drawings have been engraved. In the South Kensington Museum is 'A Launch at Deptford Dockyard about 1760,' in oil, and three water-colour drawings by him. He died in London in 1786.

CLEVELEY, {{sc|Robert}}, who in early life was a sailor, exhibited marine pictures at the Academy from 1780 to 1803, and was appointed marine-painter to the Prince of Wales. He frequently painted naval actions such as 'The &quot;Solitaire&quot; striking her colours to the &quot;Ruby,{{&quot; '}} 'Nelson boarding the San Josef,' and 'Earl Howe's 'Victory.' He died, through falling from the cliff at Dover, in 1809. In the South Kensington Museum are two water-colour drawings of English Ships of War.

CLEVENBERGH, {{sc|Antoine}}, a Flemish painter of still-life, was born at Louvain in 1755. He studied historical painting under Verhaeghen, and made large pen-and-ink drawings, which possess much merit. He died in 1810.

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matter as a person whose present happiness had nothing to 
grudge to Henrietta's violated conscience. Osmond thought 
their alliance a kind of monstrosity ; he couldn't imagine what 
they had in common. For him, Mr. Bantling's fellow-tourist 
was simply the most vulgar of women, and he also pronounced 
her the most abandoned. Against&quot; this latter clause of the 
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afresh at the oddity of some of his wife's tastes. Isabel could 
explain it only by saying that she liked to know people who 
were as different as possible from herself. &quot; Why then don't 
you make the acquaintance of your washerwoman 1 &quot; Osmond 
had inquired ; to which Isabel answered that she was afraid her 
washerwoman wouldn't care for her. Now Henrietta cared so 
much. 
Ralph saw nothing of her for the greater part of the two years 
that followed her marriage ; the winter that formed the beginning 
of her residence in Eome he spent again at San Remo, where he 
was joined in the spring by his mother, who afterwards went 
with him to England, to see what they were doing at the bank 
an operation she could not induce him to perform. Ralph 
had taken a lease of his house at San Remo, a small villa, which 
he occupied still another winter ; but late in the month of April 
of this second year he came down to Rome. It was the first 
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Isabel 1 ; his desire to see her again was of the keenest. She had 
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she now pretended to no intimacy with her niece, whom she 
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With all the speede I can: Harpoole, my horse.

{{gap|1em}}''Lady Cob.''{{gap|1em}}So soone my Lord? what will you ride all night?

{{gap|1em}}''Cobham''{{gap|1em}}All night or day it must be so, sweete wife,
Vrge me not why or what my businesse is,
But get you in: Lord Powesse, beare with me,
And madam, thinke your welcome nere the worse:
My house is at your vse. Harpoole, away.

{{gap|1em}}''Harp.''{{gap|1em}}Shall I attend your lordship to the court?

{{gap|1em}}''Cobh.''{{gap|1em}}Yea sir, your gelding, mount you presently {{float right|''exe.''}}

{{gap|1em}}''Lady Cobh.''{{gap|1em}}I prythee Harpoole, looke vnto thy Lord,
I do not like this sodaine posting backe.

{{gap|1em}}''Powes''{{gap|1em}}Some earnest businesse is a foote belike,
What e're it be, pray God be his good guide.

{{gap|1em}}''Lady Po''.{{gap|1em}}Amen that hath so highly vs bested.

{{gap|1em}}''Lady Co''.{{gap|1em}}Come madam, and my lord, weele hope the best,
You shall not into Wales till he returne.

{{gap|1em}}''Powesse''{{gap|1em}}Though great occasion be we should departe, yet madam will we stay to be resolude, of this vnlookt for doubtful accident.{{float right|''Exeunt.''}}

{{c|''Enter Murley and his men, prepared in some filthy order for warre.''}}
{{gap|1em}}''Murly.''{{gap|1em}}Come my hearts of flint, modestly, decently, soberly, and handsomly, no man afore his Leader, follow your master, your Captaine, your Knight that shal be, for the honor of Meale-men, Millers, and Mault-men dunne is the mowse, Dicke and Tom {{anchor|WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182}}for the credite of Dunstable, ding downe the enemie to morrow, ye shall not come into the field like beggars, where be Leonard and Laurence my two loaders, Lord haue mercie vpon vs, what a world is this? I would giue a couple of shillings for a dozen of good fethers for ye, and forty pence for as many skarffes to set ye out withall, frost and snow, a man has no heart to fight till he be braue.

{{gap|1em}}''Dicke''{{gap|1em}}Master I hope we be no babes, for our manhood, our bucklers, and our towne foote-balls can beare witnesse: and this lite parrell we haue shall off, and wee'l fight naked afore we runne away.

{{gap|1em}}''Tom.''{{gap|1em}}Nay, I am of Laurence mind for that, for he meanes
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IsMAIMA — El-KaNTARA. 
At Nefish, in the same district, the road and the Freshwater Canal running to 
Suez turn towards the south-east, whilst another branch of the canal takes a north- 
easterly direction to the new city of hmailia, on the shores of Lake Tiinsah. While 
the great canal was in progress Ismailia enjoyed great imix&gt;rtance as a chief centre 
of the supplies for the hands engaged on the works. But at present it is far too 
extensive for its reduced population. Its open spaces are deserted, and its streets, 
fringed by shady trees and skirted hero and there by gardens and shrubberies, 
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the Freshwater Canal made more generally available for the irrigation of the oasia 
already reclaimed from the surrounding desert. 
Nor is this artery much used for navigation, although it has a normal depth of 
10 feet and a width of about 180 feet, sufficient to give access to vessels of 
400 tons burden. Some traffic, however, is carried on by means of the Suez Canal, 
and the port and open waters of the lake are often crowdetl with large vessels riding 
at anchor in these inland waters. Exclusive of the transit trade, the movement of 
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with a gross tonnage of nearly 600,000 tons. 
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structure of this sort which here fonnerly crossed a channel flowing between I^kes 
Ballah and Menzaleh. Standing on an isthmus between inundated tracts, El- 
Eantara formed an indispensable station for all caravans along the main highway 
between Asia and Africa. This station is even still annually use&lt;l by several 
thousand camels, which are watered at the great reservoirs that the Company has 
here constructed near the banks of the canal. In Lake Ballah, to the west of 
El-Kantara, a large &quot; gare,&quot; or shunting station, is to be formed for the conve- 
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the Mediterranean. The creation of this city on a surf- beaten strand fully twenty- 
four miles from all freshwater streams, from any cultivated lands, or the smallest 
clump of trees, may be regarded as one of the triumphs of motlern industry. 
Ljing between the open roadstead and the inner basins of the harbour. Port Said 
consists of some fifty islets, sejrarated from each other by broad streets disposed 
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During the war with the Cimbrians and Teutons, the consul Gaius Marius, wishing to test the loyalty of the Gauls and Ligurians, sent them a letter, commanding them in the first part of the letter not to open the inner part,&lt;ref&gt;The letter was presumably in codex form, with the second and third leaves fastened together by a special seal.&lt;/ref&gt; which was specially sealed, before a certain date. Afterwards, before the appointed time had arrived, he demanded the same letter back, and finding all seals broken, he knew that acts of hostility were afoot.&lt;ref&gt;104 {{asc|B.C.}}&lt;/ref&gt;

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In the Etruscan war, the consul Aemilius Paulus was on the point of sending his army down into the plain near the town of Vetulonia, when he saw afar off a flock of birds rise in somewhat startled flight from a forest, and realized that some treachery was lurking there, both because the birds had risen in alarm and at the same time in great numbers. He therefore sent some scouts ahead and discovered that ten thousand Boii were lying in wait at that point to meet the Roman army. These he overwhelmed by sending his legions against them at a different point from that at which they were expected.&lt;ref&gt;Q. Aemilius Papus, consul in 282 and 278 {{asc|B.C.}}, waged war on the Etruscans. Pliny [[Natural History (Rackham, Jones, &amp; Eichholz)/Book 3#138|''N. H.'' iii. 138]] shows a like confusion of these names.&lt;/ref&gt;
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In like manner, Tisamenus, the son of Orestes, hearing that a ridge, a natural stronghold, was held by the enemy, sent men ahead to ascertain the facts; and upon their reporting that his impression was without foundation, he began his march. But when he saw a large number of birds all at once fly from the suspected ridge and not settle down at all, he came to the conclusion that the enemy's troops were hiding there; and so, leading his army by a detour, he escaped those lying in wait for him.&lt;ref&gt;''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|ii.}} xxxvii.&lt;/ref&gt;

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Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal, knew that the armies of Livius and Nero had united (although by avoiding two separate camps they strove to conceal this fact), because he observed horses rather lean from travel and men somewhat sunburned, as naturally results from marching.&lt;ref&gt;207 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. [[Stratagems/Book_1#E.I.I.9|{{asc|I.}} i. 9]] and Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_27#47|xxvii. 47.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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{{sc|Whenever}} Alexander of Macedon had a strong army, he chose the sort of warfare in which he could fight in open battle.

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Gaius Caesar, in the Civil War, having an army of veterans and knowing that the enemy had only raw recruits, always strove to fight in open battle.

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Fabius Maximus, when engaged in war with Hannibal, who was inflated by his success in battle, decided to avoid any dangerous hazards and to devote himself solely to the protection of Italy. By this policy he earned the name of Cunctator (&quot;The Delayer&quot;) and the reputation of a consummate general.&lt;ref&gt;217 B.C. ''Cf''. [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_22#12|Livy xxii. xii. 6-12.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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In like manner, Tisamenus, the son of Orestes, hearing that a ridge, a natural stronghold, was held by the enemy, sent men ahead to ascertain the facts; and upon their reporting that his impression was without foundation, he began his march. But when he saw a large number of birds all at once fly from the suspected ridge and not settle down at all, he came to the conclusion that the enemy's troops were hiding there; and so, leading his army by a detour, he escaped those lying in wait for him.&lt;ref&gt;''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|ii.}} xxxvii.&lt;/ref&gt;

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Hasdrubal, brother of Hannibal, knew that the armies of Livius and Nero had united (although by avoiding two separate camps they strove to conceal this fact), because he observed horses rather lean from travel and men somewhat sunburned, as naturally results from marching.&lt;ref&gt;207 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. [[Stratagems/Book_1#E.I.I.9|{{asc|I.}} i. 9]] and Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_27#47|xxvii. 47.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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Gaius Caesar, in the Civil War, having an army of veterans and knowing that the enemy had only raw recruits, always strove to fight in open battle.

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Fabius Maximus, when engaged in war with Hannibal, who was inflated by his success in battle, decided to avoid any dangerous hazards and to devote himself solely to the protection of Italy. By this policy he earned the name of Cunctator (&quot;The Delayer&quot;) and the reputation of a consummate general.&lt;ref&gt;217 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_22#12|Livy xxii. xii. 6-12.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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Hasdrubal, the son of Gisco, in the Second Punic War, distributed his vanquished army among the cities of Spain when Publius Scipio pressed hard upon him. As a result, Scipio, in order not to scatter his forces by laying siege to several towns, withdrew his army into winter quarters.&lt;ref&gt;207 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_28#2|xxviii. 2-3]].&lt;/ref&gt;

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Themistocles, when Xerxes was approaching, thinking the strength of the Athenians unequal to a land battle, to the defence of their territory, or to the support of a siege, advised them to remove their wives and children to Troezen and other towns, to abandon the city, and to transfer the scene of the war to the water.&lt;ref&gt;480 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Herod. viii. 41.&lt;/ref&gt;

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Pericles did the same thing in the same state, in the war with the Spartans.&lt;ref&gt;431 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. [[History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_1#1:143|Thuc. i. 143]].&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;''No. 7 is thought to be an interpolation.''&lt;/ref&gt;

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While Hannibal was lingering in Italy, Scipio sent an army into Africa, and so forced the Carthaginians to recall Hannibal. In this way he transferred the war from his own country to that of the enemy.&lt;ref&gt;204 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Appian ''Hann''. 55; Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_28#40|xxviii. 40 ff.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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When the Spartans had fortified Decelea, a stronghold of the Athenians, and were making frequent raids from there, the Athenians sent a fleet to harass the Peloponnesus, and thus secured the recall of the army of Spartans stationed at Decelea.&lt;ref&gt;413 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Thuc. [[History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_7#7:18|vii. 18]].&lt;/ref&gt;

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Hasdrubal, the son of Gisco, in the Second Punic War, distributed his vanquished army among the cities of Spain when Publius Scipio pressed hard upon him. As a result, Scipio, in order not to scatter his forces by laying siege to several towns, withdrew his army into winter quarters.&lt;ref&gt;207 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_28#2|xxviii. 2-3]].&lt;/ref&gt;

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Themistocles, when Xerxes was approaching, thinking the strength of the Athenians unequal to a land battle, to the defence of their territory, or to the support of a siege, advised them to remove their wives and children to Troezen and other towns, to abandon the city, and to transfer the scene of the war to the water.&lt;ref&gt;480 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Herod. viii. 41.&lt;/ref&gt;

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Pericles did the same thing in the same state, in the war with the Spartans.&lt;ref&gt;431 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Thuc. [[History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_1#1:143|i. 143]].&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;''No. 7 is thought to be an interpolation.''&lt;/ref&gt;

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While Hannibal was lingering in Italy, Scipio sent an army into Africa, and so forced the Carthaginians to recall Hannibal. In this way he transferred the war from his own country to that of the enemy.&lt;ref&gt;204 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Appian ''Hann''. 55; Livy [[From_the_Founding_of_the_City/Book_28#40|xxviii. 40 ff.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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When the Spartans had fortified Decelea, a stronghold of the Athenians, and were making frequent raids from there, the Athenians sent a fleet to harass the Peloponnesus, and thus secured the recall of the army of Spartans stationed at Decelea.&lt;ref&gt;413 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Thuc. [[History_of_the_Peloponnesian_War/Book_7#7:18|vii. 18]].&lt;/ref&gt;

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{{sc|When}} the consul Aemilius Paulus was leading his army along a narrow road near the coast in Lucania, and the fleet of the Tarentines, lying in wait for him, had attacked his troops by means of scorpions,&lt;ref&gt;A military engine for throwing darts, stones, and other missiles.&lt;/ref&gt; he placed prisoners as a screen to his line of march. Not wishing to harm these, the enemy ceased their attacks.&lt;ref&gt;282 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Zonar. viii. 2. Since no Aemilius Paulus waged war with the Tarentines, this is probably the Papus referred to in the note to [[../Book 1#E.I.II.7|{{asc|I.}} ii. 7]].&lt;/ref&gt;

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Agesilaus, the Spartan, when returning from Phrygia laden with booty, was hard pressed by the enemy, who took advantage of their position to harass his line of march. He therefore placed a file of captives on each flank of his army. Since these were spared by the enemy, the Spartans found time to pass.&lt;ref&gt;396 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|ii.}} i. 30.&lt;/ref&gt;

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The same Agesilaus, when the Thebans held a pass through which he had to march, turned his course, as if he were hastening to Thebes. Then, when the Thebans withdrew in alarm to protect their walls, Agesilaus resumed his march and arrived at his goal without opposition.&lt;ref&gt;394 or 377 {{sc|b.c.}} ''Cf''. Xen. [[Hellenica_(Xenophon)/Book_5/Chapter_4#4:49|''Hell''. {{sc|v.}} iv. 49 ff.]]; Polyaen. {{sc|ii.}} i. 24,&lt;/ref&gt;

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When Gnaeus Pompey on one occasion was prevented from crossing a river because the enemy's troops were stationed on the opposite bank, he adopted the device of repeatedly leading his troops out of camp and back again. Then, when the enemy were at last tricked into relaxing their watch on the roads in front of the Roman advance, he made a sudden dash and effected a crossing.&lt;ref&gt;''Cf''. the Spartan trick at Aegospotami, Xen. [[Hellenica_(Xenophon)/Book_2/Chapter_1#1:21|''Hell''. {{sc|ii.}} i. 21ff.]]&lt;/ref&gt;

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When Porus, a king of the Indians, was keeping Alexander of Macedon from leading his troops across the river Hydaspes, the latter commanded his men to make a practice of running toward the water. When by that sort of manœuvre he had led Porus to guard the opposite bank,&lt;ref&gt;''The text is uncertain. The reading gives the obvious sense of the passage.''&lt;/ref&gt; he suddenly led his army across at a higher point of the stream.&lt;ref name=&quot;77n3&quot;&gt;326 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|iv.}} iii. 9; Plut. [[Plutarch's_Lives_(Clough)/Life_of_Alexander#60:1|''Alex.'' 60]]; Curt. xiii. 13. Frontinus, misled by different names given to the river, probably took the same story from two different sources. Cf. [[Loeb_Classical_Library/L174/Life_and_Works#xxv|Introd. p. xxv]].
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The same Alexander, prevented by the enemy from crossing the river Indus, began to send horsemen into the water at different points and to threaten to effect a crossing. Then, when he had the barbarians keyed up with expectation, he seized an island a little further off, at first with a small force, then with a larger one, and from there sent troops to the further bank. When the entire force of the enemy rushed away to overwhelm this band, he himself crossed safely by fords left unguarded and reunited all his troops.&lt;ref name=&quot;77n3&quot; /&gt;

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When Appius Claudius, consul in the first Punic War, was unable to transport his soldiers from the neighbourhood of Regium to Messina, because the Carthaginians were guarding the Straits, he caused the rumour to be spread that he could not continue a war which had been undertaken without the endorsement of the people, and turning about he pretended to set sail for Italy. Then, when the Carthaginians dispersed, believing he had gone, Appius turned back and landed in Sicily.&lt;ref&gt;264 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. [[The_Histories_(Paton_translation)/Book_I#11|Polyb. {{sc|i.}} xi. 9]]. Zonar. {{sc|viii.}} viii. 6 gives a somewhat different account of this crossing.&lt;/ref&gt;

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When certain Spartan generals had planned to sail to Syracuse, but were afraid of the Carthaginian fleet anchored along the shore, they commanded that ten Carthaginian ships which they had captured should go ahead as though victors, with their own vessels either lashed to their side or towed behind. Having deceived the Carthaginians by these appearances, the Spartans succeeded in passing by.&lt;ref&gt;397 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|ii.}} xi.&lt;/ref&gt;

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When Philip was unable to sail through the straits called Stena,&lt;ref&gt;''i.e.'', the Hellespont.&lt;/ref&gt; because the Athenian fleet kept guard at a strategic point, he wrote to Antipater that Thrace was in revolt, and that the garrisons which he had left there had been cut off, directing Antipater to leave all other matters and follow him.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}
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The Chersonese happened at one time to be controlled by the Athenians, and Philip was prevented from capturing it, owing to the fact that the strait was commanded by vessels not only of the Byzantines but also of the Rhodians and Chians; but Philip won the confidence of these peoples by returning their captured ships, as pledges of the peace to be arranged between himself and the Byzantines, who were the cause of the war. While the negotiations dragged on for some time and Philip purposely kept changing the details of the terms, in the interval he got ready a fleet, and eluding the enemy while they were off their guard, he suddenly sailed into the straits.&lt;ref&gt;339 {{asc|B.C.}}&lt;/ref&gt;

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When Chabrias, the Athenian, was unable to secure access to the harbour of the Samians on account of the enemy blockade, he sent a few of his own ships with orders to cross the mouth of the harbour, thinking that the enemy on guard would give chase. When the enemy were drawn away by this ruse, and no one now hindered, he secured possession of the harbour with the remainder of his fleet.&lt;ref&gt;388 {{asc|B.C.}} ''Cf''. Polyaen. {{sc|iii.}} xi. 10, 12. &lt;/ref&gt;


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honored a victorious general. 

It would be a mistake to suppose that all ushers are liable to receive such treatment, or to imagine that French boys lack sentiments of courtesy and kindness. The fault is with the system and not with the boys, for often they delight to honor a respected teacher. Costly presents in the way of books are sometimes given to a favorite instructor at Christmas or New Year's, and presented with very pretty ceremony, offered by a spokesman in the presence of the roomful of students. 

The professors are feared for the examinations which they give once a week, the result of which is announced every Monday morning in the presence of the president and vice-president; they are also respected for their great learning and for their impartiality towards the students. Most of the men who have taught in the French lycees belong to the learned aristocracy of the country, and some of them have been leaders of French thought in their day. The great Guizot, historian; Taine, author of &quot;The History of English Literature;&quot; Edmond About, novelist; Jules Simon, scholar and statesman; Gaston Boissier, the Latinist; Victor Duruy, historian; Lavisse, of the French Academy; Francisque Sarcey, great journalist and critic, of Paris; M. Hanotaux, late minister of foreign affairs — these have all been lycee professors. Such eminent educators have turned out eminent pupils in all the walks and avocations of life. Poets such as Cassimir Delavinne and Alfred de Musset; playwrights, such as Augier and Sardou; great engineers, like Ferdinand de Lesseps; academicians and journalists, physicists and scientists, and scores of eminent men, in art, science and literature. 

French college boys lack neither patriotism nor honor. They were as ready to quit the halls of learning and fly to their 
country's aid in 1870 as were the American college students in 1861 and 1898, and those who were too young for the field 
nobly did their duty in a way not less acceptable. For, after the great and bloody struggle with Prussia, France was left in a dilemma — two provinces gone and five billions of francs to be paid before the German troops would withdraw from her territory. At this juncture Thiers appealed to France for a loan, and France responded nobly. The youth were not asked— they volunteered their aid. 

We college boys refused to accept the prizes which are annually distributed before vacation-time, and begged that the amount to be given be turned over to the government. We did more; out of 
our little monthly allowances we pledged a certain amount until the war indemnity should be fully satisfied. About half the pocket-money we secured from home for self-gratification we turned over monthly to our appointed treasurer — we pledged to him our honor to be prompt in remitting; and I do not recall a single instance where the pledge-money was not promptly paid in. It was an impressive sight when the treasurer went his monthly round in the classroom, collecting the dues of professors and students. The silence was deep — all were intently thinking of our misfortunes and how we might 
retrieve what was lost. Self-abnegation rose to a high pitch. We were being schooled in self-mastery. May I not say it has borne its fruits and that they are visible to the eye of any student of contemporary France? A joyous day it was when we read in the papers that the last penny had been paid and the last German soldier had gone home. The share of the debt that the college boys assumed was voluntary — no forced collection of it could have been made — it was a debt of honor. 

French college boys have their failings, but whatever their faults may be, they are not lacking in sense of honor. 
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== Works ==

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==2021==
=== August 2021 ===

* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Uncle Tom's cabin, or, Life among the lowly (1852 Volume 1 Original).djvu]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:Paradise lost - a poem in ten books (IA paradiselostpoem00milt 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Clarissa (1748 Volume 1).pdf]] (series)
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The Wanderer (1814 Volume 1).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:The New Negro.pdf]]
* [[Index:Complete Works of Count Tolstoy - 09.djvu]] (Anna Karenina only)
* [[Index:Enquiry into plants (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Youth, a narrative, and two other stories.djvu]] (Heart of Darkness only)

=== September 2021 ===
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Mrs. Dalloway - Virginia Woolf.pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 6.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:A Passage to India.djvu]]
* [[Index:First Folio (West 192)]]
* [[Index:The works of John Ruskin (IA worksofjohnruski01rusk).pdf]]

=== October 2021 ===

* [[Index:The Elder Edda and the Younger Edda - tr. Thorpe - 1907.djvu]], since proofread

=== November 2021 ===

* [[Index:The World's Most Famous Court Trial - 1925.djvu]], since proofread

=== December 2021 ===

* [[Index:Works of Thomas Carlyle - Volume 06.djvu]], since proofread

== 2022 ==
=== January 2022 ===

* [[Index:Footsteps of Dr. Johnson.djvu]], since proofread

=== February 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club.djvu]]
* [[Index:Colonization and Christianity.djvu]], since proofread
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The common reader.djvu]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:The Elizabethan stage (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tess of the D'Urbervilles (1891 Volume 1).pdf]], since proofread
* [[Index:This Side of Paradise - Fitzgerald - 1920.djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 1).pdf]]

=== March 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Annals of Our Time - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Children of the New Forest - 1847 - Marryat.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The Count of Monte-Cristo (1887 Volume 1).djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Lltreaties-ustbv002.pdf]]
* [[Index:The complete works of Mrs. E. B. Browning (Volume 1).djvu]]

=== April 2022 ===

* [[Index:Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 3.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Strand Magazine (Volume 70).djvu]]
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Notes on democracy - 1926.djvu]]&lt;/s&gt;, since validated
* [[Index:The plumed serpent - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom (1926).djvu]]
* [[Index:Show boat - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Soldiers' pay - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Those Barren Leaves - Huxley - 1925.djvu]]

=== May 2022 ===

* [[Index:Bleak House.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Clansman (1905).djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Mrs. Spring Fragrance - Far - 1912.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Gissing - New Grub Street, vol. I, 1891.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tarzan the Untamed.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Up From Slavery.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The Worm Ouroboros - 1922.djvu]]

=== June 2022 ===

* [[Index:The American Indian as slaveholder and secessionist (Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Blacker the Berry - Thurman - 1929.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dead Souls (1916 Hogarth).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Federalist (1818).djvu]]

=== July 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Life and Times of Sir Alexander Tilloch Galt.djvu]]
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The life of Charlotte Brontë (IA lifeofcharlotteb01gaskrich).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt;, since validated
* [[Index:The life of St. Cecilia from ms. Ashmole 43 and ms. Cotton Tiberius E. VII (IA lifeofstceciliaf00ceci).pdf]]
* [[Index:My Ántonia (1924).djvu]]
* [[Index:Henryk Sienkiewicz - Quo Vadis (1897 Curtin translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The small library. A guide to the collection and care of books (IA smalllibraryguid00browiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Stenotypy- or, Shorthand by the typewriter .. (IA stenotypyorshort00quin).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 01.djvu]]

=== August 2022 ===

* [[Index:An American anthology, 1787-1900; selections illustrating the editor's critical review of American poetry in the nineteenth century (IA anamericananthol00stedrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Hungarian literature.djvu]]
* [[Index:Jaspar Tristram (1899).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Jungle (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Conrad - Lord Jim, 1900.djvu]]
* [[Index:Eliot - The Mill on the Floss, vol. I, 1860.djvu]]
* [[Index:Moby-Dick (1851) US edition.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Ragged Dick, or, Street life in New York with the boot-blacks (IA raggeddickorstre1868alge).pdf]]
* [[Index:The World and the Individual, First Series (1899).djvu]]

=== September 2022 ===

* [[Index:The American Language.djvu]]
* [[Index:Clotel (1853).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
* [[Index:The house without a key, by Earl Derr Biggins (1925).djvu]]
* [[Index:How the other half lives.djvu]]
* [[Index:Man and superman; a comedy and a philosophy (IA mansupermancomed00shawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:New Epoch for Faith.pdf]]
* [[Index:The octopus - a story of California (IA theoctopusstory00norrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Political Pilgrim in Europe - Snowden - 1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:Social Control (1901).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) from 1926.pdf]]
* [[Index:The New Negro.pdf]]

=== October 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club.djvu]]
* [[Index:Clarissa (1748 Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Elizabethan stage (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Grimm's household tales, volume 2 (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:Paradise lost - a poem in ten books (IA paradiselostpoem00milt 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Passage to India.djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:This Side of Paradise - Fitzgerald - 1920.djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 2 (1897).djvu]]

=== November 2022 ===

* [[Index:Essays On The Gita - Ghose - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Fortunes of Perkin Warbeck - 1830 - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Grammar of the French language - De Vere - 1867.djvu]]
* [[Index:How They Succeeded.djvu]]
* [[Index:The discouerie of witchcraft (1584) (IA b30337367).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Social Cancer.djvu]]
* [[Index:Ireland and England in the past and at present.djvu]]

=== December 2022 ===
* [[Index:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu]]
* [[Index:Documents from the Den of Espionage.djvu]]
* [[Index:Life on the Mississippi (IA lifeonmississipptwai).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Magnificent Ambersons (Illustrated by Arthur William Brown).djvu]]
* [[Index:Main Street (1920).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scenes of Clerical Life volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Sybil (1845 Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Blacker the Berry - Thurman - 1929.djvu]]

==2023==
=== January 2023 ===
* [[Index:Boswell - Life of Johnson.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chaucer - Complete works (Skeat Volume 4).djvu]]
* [[Index:Don Quixote (Cervantes, Ormsby) Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:First six books of the elements of Euclid 1847 Byrne.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Golden Road.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:The marble faun; or, The romance of Monte Beni (IA marblefaunorroma02hawtrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mental Traits of Sex.djvu]]
* [[Index:The plumed serpent - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom (1926).djvu]]
* [[Index:Show boat - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Soldiers' pay - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Those Barren Leaves - Huxley - 1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:Wieland (McKay 1887).djvu]]

=== February 2023 ===
* [[Index:Across the Zodiac (Volume 1).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Anatomy of the Human Body (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Countess of Albany (1884 British).djvu]]
* [[Index:A Crystal Age - Hudson - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Familiar quotations (1870).djvu]]
* [[Index:Human nature and the social order.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Keeper of the Bees.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Man of Property (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Mountain interval (1921).pdf]]
* [[Index:New lands - (IA newlands00fort).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies in Logical Theory.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Woman in White (1859 - Third Edition - Volume 1).djvu]]

===March 2023===
*[[Index:An American Tragedy Vol 1.pdf]]
*[[Index:Works of Thomas Carlyle - Volume 07.djvu]]
*[[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
*[[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 7.djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The last of the Mohicans (1826 Volume 3).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Novels and Tales of Henry James, Volume 3.djvu]]
*[[Index:Maugham - Of Human Bondage, 1915.djvu]]
*[[Index:She (1888).djvu]]
*[[Index:Some do not (Second Edition) - Ford - 1924.djvu]]
*[[Index:Works of Voltaire Volume 01.djvu]]
*[[Index:The World's Famous Orations Volume 3.pdf]]
*[[Index:Zuleika Dobson.pdf]] --&gt; [[Index:Zuleika Dobson.djvu]]
*[[Index:The life and opinions of Tristram Shandy (Volume 2).pdf]] - since proofread

===April 2023===
*[[Index:Elmer Gantry (1927).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Emily Climbs.pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Mosquitos (Faulkner).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Upton Sinclair - Oil!.pdf]]
*[[Index:Tales of my landlord (Volume 4).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 01.djvu]]

===May 2023===
*[[Index:Caroling Dusk.pdf]]
*[[Index:Evelina (1778 Volume 1).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:His Family (1926 Print).pdf]]
*[[Index:The Magnificent Ambersons (Illustrated by Arthur William Brown).djvu]]
*[[Index:The private memoirs and confessions of a justified sinner (IA privatememoirsco00hoggrich).pdf]]
*[[Index:Tess of the D'Urbervilles (1891 Volume 3).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Travels of Marco Polo (1926 Komroff).pdf]]
*[[Index:Dorothy Levitt - The Woman and the Car.pdf]]
*[[Index:The life and strange surprizing adventures of Robinson Crusoe, of York, mariner- who lived eight and twenty years all alone in an un-inhabited island on the coast of America (IA lifestrangesurpr01defo).pdf]]

===June 2023===
*[[Index:A complete course in dressmaking, (Vol. 7, Coats) (IA completecoursein07cono).pdf]]
*[[Index:Little Lord Fauntleroy.djvu]]
*[[Index:Mother India.pdf]]
*[[Index:Narrative of a four months' residence among the natives of a valley of the Marquesas Islands; or, a peep at Polynesian life (IA b22022430).pdf]]
*[[Index:Bunyan - The Pilgrim's progress from this world to that which is to come, 1928.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Rise of American Civilization (Volume 1).djvu]]

===July 2023===
*[[Index:The Girl from Hollywood.djvu]]
*[[Index:History of Woman Suffrage Volume 2.djvu]] - since proofread
*&lt;s&gt;[[Index:Plato (IA platocollins00colliala).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; - since validated
*[[Index:The Sacred Tree (Waley 1926).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:A Son at the Front (1923) Wharton.djvu]] - since proofread

===August 2023===
* [[Index:Rolland - Beethoven, tr. Hull, 1927.pdf]]
* [[Index:Gide - The Counterfeiters.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Innocents Abroad (1869).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Nostradamus (1961).djvu]]
* [[Index:Russell - An outline of philosophy.pdf]]
* [[Index:Reveries of a Bachelor - Donald Grant Mitchell (1850).djvu]]
* [[Index:Fielding - Sex and the Love Life.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Tibetan Book of the Dead (1927).djvu]]
* [[Index:Stevenson - The Wrecker (1892).djvu]]

===September 2023===
* [[Index:Barnaby Rudge.djvu]]
* [[Index:Collected poems Robinson, Edwin Arlington.djvu]]
* [[Index:A complete collection of the English poems which have obtained the Chancellor's Gold Medal - 1859.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Fortunes of Perkin Warbeck - 1830 - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Hans of Iceland (1891).djvu]]
* [[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 8.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Last essays - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Methodist Hymn-Book Illustrated.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803 (Volume 08).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Under the Tonto Rim - 1926.djvu]]

===October 2023===
* [[Index:Comprehensive Volapük Grammar.djvu]]
* [[Index:Contending Forces by Pauline Hopkins.djvu]]
* [[Index:Fox's book of martyrs.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Last Days of Pompeii - Bulwer-Lytton - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Law of the Talon - Louis Tracy (1926).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Lost Lady, by Willa Cather.pdf]]
* [[Index:Nostalgia (Deledda 1905).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Social Cancer.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Works of H G Wells Volume 9.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:A new dictionary of the terms ancient and modern of the canting crew, in its several tribes, of gypsies, beggers, thieves, cheats, &amp;c. with an addition of some proverbs, phrases, figurative speeches, &amp;c.djvu]]

===November 2023===
* [[Index:The Castle of Wolfenbach - Parsons - 1854.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chapters on Jewish literature (IA chaptersonjewish00abra).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Old New York 1 False Dawn.djvu]]
* [[Index:Grimm's household tales, volume 2 (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:In the wilds of South America; six years of exploration in Colombia, Venezuela, British Guiana, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil (IA wildsofsouthamer00mill).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Innocents Abroad (1869).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The lay of the Nibelungs; (IA nibelungslay00hortrich).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Life And Letters Of Thomas Jefferson -- Hirst (IA in.ernet.dli.2015.89541).pdf]]
* [[Index:Victory at Sea - William Sowden Sims and Burton J. Hendrick.djvu]]
* [[Index:The real Charlotte (IA realcharlotte01somerich).pdf]]

===December 2023===
* [[Index:Boating - Woodgate - 1888.pdf]]
* [[Index:Don Quixote (Cervantes, Ormsby) Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Everlasting Man.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII.djvu]]
* [[Index:Seventh Report - Guns for gold- the Wagner Network exposed.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 8.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:My neighbours (IA myneighbours00evaniala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803 (Volume 09).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Ran away from the Dutch; or, Borneo from south to north (IA cu31924023893609).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Scientific Papers of the Honourable Henry Cavendish v1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Travels in West Africa, Congo Français, Corisco and Cameroons (IA travelsinwestafr00kingrich).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Vivian Grey, Volume 1.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The blue poetry book (IA bluepoetry00lang).pdf]] 

===January 2024===
* [[Index:An American Tragedy Vol 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:Awd Isaac - Castillo.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Confessions of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Aldus, 1903, v. 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dream Life - Mitchell - 1899? Altemus.djvu]]
* [[Index:The-Gathas.pdf]]
* [[Index:Laws (vol 1 of 2) (Bury, 1926).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:Romance of the Three Kingdoms - tr. Brewitt-Taylor - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Seven Great American Poets - Hart - 1901.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 03.djvu]]
* [[Index:Youth, a narrative, and two other stories.djvu]]
* [[Index:The letters of Martin Luther.djvu]]

===February 2024===
* [[Index:The Bard of the Dales.djvu]]
* [[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
* [[Index:Little Lord Fauntleroy.djvu]]
* [[Index:Principlesofpoli00malt.djvu]]
* [[Index:Religion and the rise of capitalism.pdf]]
* [[Index:Rudyard Kipling's verse - Inclusive Edition 1885-1918.djvu]]

===March 2024===
* [[Index:The Black Moth.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Celtic twilight. Men and women (IA celtictwilightme00yeat).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Hungarian literature.djvu]]
* [[Index:Illustrations of the history of medieval thought and learning.djvu]]
* [[Index:The New Centurion - Eastwick - 1895.pdf]]
* [[Index:Henryk Sienkiewicz - Quo Vadis (1897 Curtin translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The records of the Virginia company of London - Volume 1.djvu]]

===April 2024===
* [[Index:Copyright, Its History And Its Law (1912).djvu]]
* [[Index:John Brown's body by Stephen Vincent Benét.djvu]]
* [[Index:Johnsonian Miscellanies I.djvu]]

===May 2024===
* [[Index:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 2 (1896).djvu]]
* [[Index:Essays On The Gita - Ghose - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Waverley novels (IA cu31924057392452).pdf]]
* [[Index:Collingwood - Life and Letters of Lewis Carroll.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tirukural - tr. Pope - 1886.djvu]]

===June 2024===
* [[Index:Augustus (Shuckburgh) Augustuslifetime0000shuc.pdf]]
* [[Index:The fastest bicycle rider in the world - 1928 - Taylor.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Life and Letters of Emily Dickinson (1924).pdf]]
* [[Index:Life of William Blake 2, Gilchrist.djvu]]
* [[Index:Maugham - Of Human Bondage, 1915.djvu]]
* [[Index:Our Poets of Today (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Vicomte de Bragelonne 2.djvu]]


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== Works ==

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=== August 2021 ===

* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Uncle Tom's cabin, or, Life among the lowly (1852 Volume 1 Original).djvu]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:Paradise lost - a poem in ten books (IA paradiselostpoem00milt 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Clarissa (1748 Volume 1).pdf]] (series)
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The Wanderer (1814 Volume 1).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:The New Negro.pdf]]
* [[Index:Complete Works of Count Tolstoy - 09.djvu]] (Anna Karenina only)
* [[Index:Enquiry into plants (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Youth, a narrative, and two other stories.djvu]] (Heart of Darkness only)

=== September 2021 ===
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Mrs. Dalloway - Virginia Woolf.pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:Works of Jules Verne - Parke - Vol 6.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:A Passage to India.djvu]]
* [[Index:First Folio (West 192)]]
* [[Index:The works of John Ruskin (IA worksofjohnruski01rusk).pdf]]

=== October 2021 ===

* [[Index:The Elder Edda and the Younger Edda - tr. Thorpe - 1907.djvu]], since proofread

=== November 2021 ===

* [[Index:The World's Most Famous Court Trial - 1925.djvu]], since proofread

=== December 2021 ===

* [[Index:Works of Thomas Carlyle - Volume 06.djvu]], since proofread

== 2022 ==
=== January 2022 ===

* [[Index:Footsteps of Dr. Johnson.djvu]], since proofread

=== February 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club.djvu]]
* [[Index:Colonization and Christianity.djvu]], since proofread
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The common reader.djvu]]&lt;/s&gt; since validated
* [[Index:The Elizabethan stage (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Tess of the D'Urbervilles (1891 Volume 1).pdf]], since proofread
* [[Index:This Side of Paradise - Fitzgerald - 1920.djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 1).pdf]]

=== March 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Annals of Our Time - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Children of the New Forest - 1847 - Marryat.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The Count of Monte-Cristo (1887 Volume 1).djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Lltreaties-ustbv002.pdf]]
* [[Index:The complete works of Mrs. E. B. Browning (Volume 1).djvu]]

=== April 2022 ===

* [[Index:Aunt Jo's Scrap-Bag, Volume 3.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Strand Magazine (Volume 70).djvu]]
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:Notes on democracy - 1926.djvu]]&lt;/s&gt;, since validated
* [[Index:The plumed serpent - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom (1926).djvu]]
* [[Index:Show boat - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Soldiers' pay - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Those Barren Leaves - Huxley - 1925.djvu]]

=== May 2022 ===

* [[Index:Bleak House.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Clansman (1905).djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Mrs. Spring Fragrance - Far - 1912.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Gissing - New Grub Street, vol. I, 1891.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tarzan the Untamed.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Up From Slavery.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:The Worm Ouroboros - 1922.djvu]]

=== June 2022 ===

* [[Index:The American Indian as slaveholder and secessionist (Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Blacker the Berry - Thurman - 1929.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dead Souls (1916 Hogarth).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Federalist (1818).djvu]]

=== July 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Life and Times of Sir Alexander Tilloch Galt.djvu]]
* &lt;s&gt;[[Index:The life of Charlotte Brontë (IA lifeofcharlotteb01gaskrich).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt;, since validated
* [[Index:The life of St. Cecilia from ms. Ashmole 43 and ms. Cotton Tiberius E. VII (IA lifeofstceciliaf00ceci).pdf]]
* [[Index:My Ántonia (1924).djvu]]
* [[Index:Henryk Sienkiewicz - Quo Vadis (1897 Curtin translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The small library. A guide to the collection and care of books (IA smalllibraryguid00browiala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Stenotypy- or, Shorthand by the typewriter .. (IA stenotypyorshort00quin).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 01.djvu]]

=== August 2022 ===

* [[Index:An American anthology, 1787-1900; selections illustrating the editor's critical review of American poetry in the nineteenth century (IA anamericananthol00stedrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Hungarian literature.djvu]]
* [[Index:Jaspar Tristram (1899).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Jungle (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Conrad - Lord Jim, 1900.djvu]]
* [[Index:Eliot - The Mill on the Floss, vol. I, 1860.djvu]]
* [[Index:Moby-Dick (1851) US edition.djvu]], since proofread
* [[Index:Ragged Dick, or, Street life in New York with the boot-blacks (IA raggeddickorstre1868alge).pdf]]
* [[Index:The World and the Individual, First Series (1899).djvu]]

=== September 2022 ===

* [[Index:The American Language.djvu]]
* [[Index:Clotel (1853).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
* [[Index:The house without a key, by Earl Derr Biggins (1925).djvu]]
* [[Index:How the other half lives.djvu]]
* [[Index:Man and superman; a comedy and a philosophy (IA mansupermancomed00shawrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:New Epoch for Faith.pdf]]
* [[Index:The octopus - a story of California (IA theoctopusstory00norrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Political Pilgrim in Europe - Snowden - 1921.djvu]]
* [[Index:Social Control (1901).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) from 1926.pdf]]
* [[Index:The New Negro.pdf]]

=== October 2022 ===

* [[Index:The Posthumous Papers of the Pickwick Club.djvu]]
* [[Index:Clarissa (1748 Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Elizabethan stage (Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:Grimm's household tales, volume 2 (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:Paradise lost - a poem in ten books (IA paradiselostpoem00milt 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Passage to India.djvu]]
* [[Index:The collected works of Henrik Ibsen (Heinemann Volume 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:This Side of Paradise - Fitzgerald - 1920.djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 2 (1897).djvu]]

=== November 2022 ===

* [[Index:Essays On The Gita - Ghose - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Fortunes of Perkin Warbeck - 1830 - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Grammar of the French language - De Vere - 1867.djvu]]
* [[Index:How They Succeeded.djvu]]
* [[Index:The discouerie of witchcraft (1584) (IA b30337367).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Social Cancer.djvu]]
* [[Index:Ireland and England in the past and at present.djvu]]

=== December 2022 ===
* [[Index:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu]]
* [[Index:Documents from the Den of Espionage.djvu]]
* [[Index:Life on the Mississippi (IA lifeonmississipptwai).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Magnificent Ambersons (Illustrated by Arthur William Brown).djvu]]
* [[Index:Main Street (1920).djvu]]
* [[Index:Scenes of Clerical Life volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Sybil (1845 Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Blacker the Berry - Thurman - 1929.djvu]]

==2023==
=== January 2023 ===
* [[Index:Boswell - Life of Johnson.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chaucer - Complete works (Skeat Volume 4).djvu]]
* [[Index:Don Quixote (Cervantes, Ormsby) Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:First six books of the elements of Euclid 1847 Byrne.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Golden Road.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The history of Witchcraft and demonology.djvu]]
* [[Index:The marble faun; or, The romance of Monte Beni (IA marblefaunorroma02hawtrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:Mental Traits of Sex.djvu]]
* [[Index:The plumed serpent - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Seven Pillars of Wisdom (1926).djvu]]
* [[Index:Show boat - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Soldiers' pay - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:Those Barren Leaves - Huxley - 1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:Wieland (McKay 1887).djvu]]

=== February 2023 ===
* [[Index:Across the Zodiac (Volume 1).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Anatomy of the Human Body (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Countess of Albany (1884 British).djvu]]
* [[Index:A Crystal Age - Hudson - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Familiar quotations (1870).djvu]]
* [[Index:Human nature and the social order.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Keeper of the Bees.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Man of Property (1906).djvu]]
* [[Index:Mountain interval (1921).pdf]]
* [[Index:New lands - (IA newlands00fort).pdf]]
* [[Index:Studies in Logical Theory.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Woman in White (1859 - Third Edition - Volume 1).djvu]]

===March 2023===
*[[Index:An American Tragedy Vol 1.pdf]]
*[[Index:Works of Thomas Carlyle - Volume 07.djvu]]
*[[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
*[[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 7.djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The last of the Mohicans (1826 Volume 3).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Novels and Tales of Henry James, Volume 3.djvu]]
*[[Index:Maugham - Of Human Bondage, 1915.djvu]]
*[[Index:She (1888).djvu]]
*[[Index:Some do not (Second Edition) - Ford - 1924.djvu]]
*[[Index:Works of Voltaire Volume 01.djvu]]
*[[Index:The World's Famous Orations Volume 3.pdf]]
*[[Index:Zuleika Dobson.pdf]] --&gt; [[Index:Zuleika Dobson.djvu]]
*[[Index:The life and opinions of Tristram Shandy (Volume 2).pdf]] - since proofread

===April 2023===
*[[Index:Elmer Gantry (1927).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Emily Climbs.pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Mosquitos (Faulkner).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:Upton Sinclair - Oil!.pdf]]
*[[Index:Tales of my landlord (Volume 4).djvu]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 01.djvu]]

===May 2023===
*[[Index:Caroling Dusk.pdf]]
*[[Index:Evelina (1778 Volume 1).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:His Family (1926 Print).pdf]]
*[[Index:The Magnificent Ambersons (Illustrated by Arthur William Brown).djvu]]
*[[Index:The private memoirs and confessions of a justified sinner (IA privatememoirsco00hoggrich).pdf]]
*[[Index:Tess of the D'Urbervilles (1891 Volume 3).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:The Travels of Marco Polo (1926 Komroff).pdf]]
*[[Index:Dorothy Levitt - The Woman and the Car.pdf]]
*[[Index:The life and strange surprizing adventures of Robinson Crusoe, of York, mariner- who lived eight and twenty years all alone in an un-inhabited island on the coast of America (IA lifestrangesurpr01defo).pdf]]

===June 2023===
*[[Index:A complete course in dressmaking, (Vol. 7, Coats) (IA completecoursein07cono).pdf]]
*[[Index:Little Lord Fauntleroy.djvu]]
*[[Index:Mother India.pdf]]
*[[Index:Narrative of a four months' residence among the natives of a valley of the Marquesas Islands; or, a peep at Polynesian life (IA b22022430).pdf]]
*[[Index:Bunyan - The Pilgrim's progress from this world to that which is to come, 1928.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism.djvu]]
*[[Index:The Rise of American Civilization (Volume 1).djvu]]

===July 2023===
*[[Index:The Girl from Hollywood.djvu]]
*[[Index:History of Woman Suffrage Volume 2.djvu]] - since proofread
*&lt;s&gt;[[Index:Plato (IA platocollins00colliala).pdf]]&lt;/s&gt; - since validated
*[[Index:The Sacred Tree (Waley 1926).pdf]] - since proofread
*[[Index:A Son at the Front (1923) Wharton.djvu]] - since proofread

===August 2023===
* [[Index:Rolland - Beethoven, tr. Hull, 1927.pdf]]
* [[Index:Gide - The Counterfeiters.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Innocents Abroad (1869).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Nostradamus (1961).djvu]]
* [[Index:Russell - An outline of philosophy.pdf]]
* [[Index:Reveries of a Bachelor - Donald Grant Mitchell (1850).djvu]]
* [[Index:Fielding - Sex and the Love Life.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Tibetan Book of the Dead (1927).djvu]]
* [[Index:Stevenson - The Wrecker (1892).djvu]]

===September 2023===
* [[Index:Barnaby Rudge.djvu]]
* [[Index:Collected poems Robinson, Edwin Arlington.djvu]]
* [[Index:A complete collection of the English poems which have obtained the Chancellor's Gold Medal - 1859.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Fortunes of Perkin Warbeck - 1830 - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Hans of Iceland (1891).djvu]]
* [[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 8.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Last essays - 1926.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Methodist Hymn-Book Illustrated.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803 (Volume 08).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Under the Tonto Rim - 1926.djvu]]

===October 2023===
* [[Index:Comprehensive Volapük Grammar.djvu]]
* [[Index:Contending Forces by Pauline Hopkins.djvu]]
* [[Index:Fox's book of martyrs.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Last Days of Pompeii - Bulwer-Lytton - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Law of the Talon - Louis Tracy (1926).pdf]]
* [[Index:A Lost Lady, by Willa Cather.pdf]]
* [[Index:Nostalgia (Deledda 1905).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Social Cancer.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Works of H G Wells Volume 9.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:A new dictionary of the terms ancient and modern of the canting crew, in its several tribes, of gypsies, beggers, thieves, cheats, &amp;c. with an addition of some proverbs, phrases, figurative speeches, &amp;c.djvu]]

===November 2023===
* [[Index:The Castle of Wolfenbach - Parsons - 1854.djvu]]
* [[Index:Chapters on Jewish literature (IA chaptersonjewish00abra).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Old New York 1 False Dawn.djvu]]
* [[Index:Grimm's household tales, volume 2 (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:In the wilds of South America; six years of exploration in Colombia, Venezuela, British Guiana, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil (IA wildsofsouthamer00mill).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Innocents Abroad (1869).djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The lay of the Nibelungs; (IA nibelungslay00hortrich).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Life And Letters Of Thomas Jefferson -- Hirst (IA in.ernet.dli.2015.89541).pdf]]
* [[Index:Victory at Sea - William Sowden Sims and Burton J. Hendrick.djvu]]
* [[Index:The real Charlotte (IA realcharlotte01somerich).pdf]]

===December 2023===
* [[Index:Boating - Woodgate - 1888.pdf]]
* [[Index:Don Quixote (Cervantes, Ormsby) Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Everlasting Man.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII.djvu]]
* [[Index:Seventh Report - Guns for gold- the Wagner Network exposed.pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 8.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:My neighbours (IA myneighbours00evaniala).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Philippine Islands, 1493-1803 (Volume 09).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Ran away from the Dutch; or, Borneo from south to north (IA cu31924023893609).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Scientific Papers of the Honourable Henry Cavendish v1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Travels in West Africa, Congo Français, Corisco and Cameroons (IA travelsinwestafr00kingrich).pdf]] - since proofread
* [[Index:Vivian Grey, Volume 1.djvu]] - since proofread
* [[Index:The blue poetry book (IA bluepoetry00lang).pdf]] 

==2004==
===January 2024===
* [[Index:An American Tragedy Vol 1.pdf]]
* [[Index:Awd Isaac - Castillo.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Confessions of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Aldus, 1903, v. 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Dream Life - Mitchell - 1899? Altemus.djvu]]
* [[Index:The-Gathas.pdf]]
* [[Index:Laws (vol 1 of 2) (Bury, 1926).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa (1884).djvu]]
* [[Index:Romance of the Three Kingdoms - tr. Brewitt-Taylor - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Seven Great American Poets - Hart - 1901.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Works of John Locke - 1823 - vol 03.djvu]]
* [[Index:Youth, a narrative, and two other stories.djvu]]
* [[Index:The letters of Martin Luther.djvu]]

===February 2024===
* [[Index:The Bard of the Dales.djvu]]
* [[Index:Following darkness (IA followingdarknes00reid).pdf]]
* [[Index:Little Lord Fauntleroy.djvu]]
* [[Index:Principlesofpoli00malt.djvu]]
* [[Index:Religion and the rise of capitalism.pdf]]
* [[Index:Rudyard Kipling's verse - Inclusive Edition 1885-1918.djvu]]

===March 2024===
* [[Index:The Black Moth.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Celtic twilight. Men and women (IA celtictwilightme00yeat).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of Hungarian literature.djvu]]
* [[Index:Illustrations of the history of medieval thought and learning.djvu]]
* [[Index:The New Centurion - Eastwick - 1895.pdf]]
* [[Index:Henryk Sienkiewicz - Quo Vadis (1897 Curtin translation).djvu]]
* [[Index:The records of the Virginia company of London - Volume 1.djvu]]

===April 2024===
* [[Index:Copyright, Its History And Its Law (1912).djvu]]
* [[Index:John Brown's body by Stephen Vincent Benét.djvu]]
* [[Index:Johnsonian Miscellanies I.djvu]]

===May 2024===
* [[Index:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu]]
* [[Index:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 2 (1896).djvu]]
* [[Index:Essays On The Gita - Ghose - 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:Waverley novels (IA cu31924057392452).pdf]]
* [[Index:Collingwood - Life and Letters of Lewis Carroll.djvu]]
* [[Index:Tirukural - tr. Pope - 1886.djvu]]

===June 2024===
* [[Index:The Life and Letters of Emily Dickinson (1924).pdf]]
* [[Index:Life of William Blake 2, Gilchrist.djvu]]
* [[Index:Our Poets of Today (1918).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Vicomte de Bragelonne 2.djvu]]

===July 2024===
* [[Index:The fastest bicycle rider in the world - 1928 - Taylor.djvu]]
* [[Index:Travels into several remote nations of the world. In four parts (1726 Volume 1).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Heimskringla; or, Chronicle of the Kings of Norway Vol 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:History of Journalism in the United States.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Philadelphia Negro A Social Study.djvu]]

===August 2024===
* [[Index:Augustus (Shuckburgh) Augustuslifetime0000shuc.pdf]]
* [[Index:An elementary middle English grammar (IA elementarymiddle00wrig).pdf]]
* [[Index:Malleus maleficarum translated by Montague Summers (1928).djvu]]
* [[Index:Maugham - Of Human Bondage, 1915.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Path to the Stars, by K. E. Tsiolkovsky, English transl., AD0644808.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Persian Revolution of 1905-1909 (1910).djvu]]
* [[Index:The second jungle book (IA secondjunglebook00kipliala).pdf]]
* [[Index:Sons of Africa (Gollock).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Works of Alexander Pope (1717).djvu]]

===September 2024===
* [[Index:Complete Poetical Works of John Greenleaf Whittier (1895).djvu]]
* [[Index:Lalla Rookh - Moore - 1817.djvu]] -- since proofread
* [[Index:Fielding.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Girl from Hollywood.djvu]]
* [[Index:Illustrations of the history of medieval thought and learning.djvu]]
* [[Index:Project Blue Book, complete status reports.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Septuagint Version of the Old Testament - Brenton - 1844 - Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:Three Books of Occult Philosophy (De Occulta Philosophia) (1651).djvu]]
* [[Index:The True Benjamin Franklin.djvu]]

===October 2024===
* [[Index:Annals of the Poor (1829, London).djvu]]
* [[Index:Dostoyevsky - The Brothers Karamazov, Collected Edition, 1922.djvu]]
* [[Index:The complete poems of Emily Dickinson, (IA completepoemsofe00dick 1).pdf]]
* [[Index:The Golden Road.pdf]] -- since proofread
* [[Index:History of Aurangzib (based on original sources) Vol 2.djvu]]
* [[Index:Austen - Novels and Letters 12.djvu]]
* [[Index:Life of Octavia Hill as told in her letters.djvu]]
* [[Index:The Old New York Frontier.djvu]]
* [[Index:Ran away from the Dutch; or, Borneo from south to north (IA cu31924023893609).pdf]]

===November 2024===
* [[Index:The curse of Kehama (IA curseofkehama00sout).pdf]]

===December 2024===
* [[Index:On the Margin; notes and essays, by Aldous Huxley.pdf]]
* [[Index:The Great Roxhythe - Georgette Heyer.pdf]]

==2005==
===January 2025===

===February 2025===
* [[Index:The History of Trade Unionism - Sidney and Beatrice Webb (1920).djvu]]
* [[Index:A Child of Sorrow.pdf]]
* [[Index:Essays Vol 1 (Ives, 1925).pdf]]
* [[Index:Hans Brinker, Or, The Silver Skates- A Story of Life in Holland (IA hansbrinkerorsi00dodggoog).pdf]]

===March 2025===
* [[Index:Gregg speed studies (IA greggspeedstudie00greg).pdf]]
* [[Index:MILITARY-AND-SECURITY-DEVELOPMENTS-INVOLVING-THE-PEOPLES-REPUBLIC-OF-CHINA-2024.pdf]]
* [[Index:Cyclopedia of Puzzles by Samuel Loyd.pdf]]

===April 2025===
* [[Index:1959 Annual Typhoon Report.djvu]]
* [[Index:Egyptian Myth and Legend (1913).djvu]]
* [[Index:Folk Tales of Beasts and Men.djvuv]]
* [[Index:Gods Man-1929.djvu]]
* [[Index:Her Roman Lover (Frothingham, 1911).djvu]]
* [[Index:The new art of memory (IA artofmemoryfound00fein).pdf]]
* [[Index:The New York Times, 1929-10-24.pdf]]
* [[Index:Notes upon Russia (volume 2, 1851).djvu]]
* [[Index:Private Life-1925.djvu]]
* [[Index:A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism - Volume 2.djvu]]

===May 2025===
* [[Index:Don Quixote (Cervantes, Ormsby) Volume 1.djvu]]
* [[Index:England, my England, and other stories (IA englandmyengland00lawrrich).pdf]]
* [[Index:A history of American literature.. (IA historyofamerica01patt).pdf]]
* [[Index:Laughing Boy-1929.djvu]]
* [[Index:W. B. Seabrook - The Magic Island (1929, The Literary Guild of America printing).pdf]]
* [[Index:Narrative of a journey through the upper provinces of India etc. (Volume I.).djvu]]
* [[Index:O. Henry Memorial Award Prize Stories for 1919.pdf]]
* [[Index:The poetical works of Robert Burns.djvu]]

===June 2025===
* [[Index:The American language; an inquiry into the development of English in the United States (IA americanlanguage00menc 0).pdf]]
* [[Index:TM-10-412 (2003).pdf]]
* [[Index:Is Sex Necessary-1929.djvu]]
* [[Index:Old-New Land.djvu]]
* [[Index:The omnibus of crime (1929).pdf]]
* [[Index:Plum bun - a novel without a moral (IA plumbunnovelwith00fausrich).djvu]]
* [[Index:The Sound and the Fury (1929).pdf]]
* [[Index:Zóphiël; or, The Bride of Seven.djvu]]

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{{di|S}}ALVATION comes by Je{{ls}}us Chri{{ls}}t alone,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The only Son of God;&lt;br&gt;
Redemption now to every one,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}That love his holy Word.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us we would fly to Thee,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}And leave off every Sin,&lt;br&gt;
Thy tender Mercy well agree;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation from our King.&lt;br&gt;
Salvation comes now from the Lord,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Our victorious King;&lt;br&gt;
His holy Name be well ador'd,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation {{ls}}urely bring.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us give thy Spirit now,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Thy Grace to every Nation,&lt;br&gt;
That han't the Lord to whom we bow,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The Author of Salvation.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us unto Thee we cry,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Give us thy Preparation;&lt;br&gt;
Turn not away thy tender Eye;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}We {{ls}}eek thy true Salvation.&lt;br&gt;
Salvation comes from God we know,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The true and only One;&lt;br&gt;
It's well agreed and certain true,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}He gave his only Son.&lt;br&gt;
Lord hear our penetential Cry:&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation from above;&lt;br&gt;
It is the Lord that doth {{ls}}upply,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}With his Redeeming Love.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us by thy precious Blood,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The World Redemption have:&lt;br&gt;
Salvation comes now from the Lord,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}He being thy captive Slave.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us let the Nations cry,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}And all the People fay,&lt;br&gt;
Salvation comes from Chri{{ls}}t on high,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Ha{{ls}}te on Tribunal Day.&lt;br&gt;
We cry as Sinners to the Lord,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation to obtain;&lt;br&gt;
It is firmly fixt his holy Word,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}''Ye {{ls}}hall not cry in vain.''&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us unto Thee we cry,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}And make our Lamentation:&lt;br&gt;
O let our Prayers a{{ls}}cend on high;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}We felt thy Salvation.&lt;br&gt;
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Lord turn our dark benighted Souls;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Give us a true Motion,&lt;br&gt;
And let the Hearts of all the World,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Make Chri{{ls}}t their Salvation.&lt;br&gt;
Ten Thou{{ls}}and Angels cry to Thee,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Yea louder than the Ocean.&lt;br&gt;
Thou art the Lord, we plainly {{ls}}ee;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Thou art the true Salvation.&lt;br&gt;
Now is the Day, excepted Time;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The Day of Salvation;&lt;br&gt;
Increa{{ls}}e your Faith, do not repine:&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Awake ye every Nation.&lt;br&gt;
Lord unto whom now {{ls}}hall we go,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Or {{ls}}eek a {{ls}}afe Abode;&lt;br&gt;
Thou haft the Word Salvation too&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The only Son of God.&lt;br&gt;
Ho! every one that hunger hath,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Or pineth after me,&lt;br&gt;
Salvation be thy leading Staff,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}To {{ls}}et the Sinner free.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us unto Thee we fly;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Depart, depart from Sin,&lt;br&gt;
Salvation doth at length {{ls}}upply,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The Glory of our King.&lt;br&gt;
Come ye Ble{{ls}}{{ls}}ed of the Lord,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation gently given;&lt;br&gt;
O turn your Hearts, accept the Word,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Your Souls are fit for Heaven.&lt;br&gt;
Dear Je{{ls}}us we now turn to Thee,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation to obtain;&lt;br&gt;
Our Hearts and Souls do meet again,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}To magnify thy Name.&lt;br&gt;
Come holy Spirit, Heavenly Dove,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}The Object of our Care;&lt;br&gt;
Salvation doth increa{{ls}}e our Love;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Our Hearts hath felt thy fear.&lt;br&gt;
Now Glory be to God on High,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Salvation high and low;&lt;br&gt;
And thus the Soul on Chri{{ls}}t rely,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}To Heaven {{ls}}urely go.&lt;br&gt;
Come Ble{{ls}}{{ls}}ed Je{{ls}}us, Heavenly Dove,&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Accept Repentance here;&lt;br&gt;
Salvation give, with tender Love;&lt;br&gt;
{{em}}Let us with Angels {{ls}}hare.
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{{welcome}} [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 17:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:Thank you. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 21:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

== Author Redirects ==

Hello,

Not sure if you were aware, but many authors have redirects, so that you don't have to use the override_author section of the header template. Note that this changes the header from three lines to two, e.g. [[Men without Women/The Killers]]. If you preferred the former, feel free to revert my change, if not, I can adjust the rest of the transclusion to match; I just generally prefer headers that aren't so large.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - thanks. I was aware of the redirects (though I don't know if I had realised there is one for Hemingway). I see what you mean about the header - why does it do that ? I wonder if there is a way to get it so it doesn't happen like that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] I'm afraid I don't know why it puts the extra line break in. Maybe if someone more knowledgeable in these matters happens past this comment, we could both find out. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 03:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

== [[Men Without Women]] ==

Hello again,

In future, please (please please) create the main page for a work '''before''' creating all the subpages. It avoids any issues with having to move subpages because they aren't linked to the main page, all because of a lowercase &quot;w&quot;...

Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - I think that there are really two separate things. The w/W was because I followed the style used for the index and source pages. I think that official wikisource policy would prefer &quot;Men without women&quot; - both lower case w. But I think as you have it looks better. Sorry about that.
:On creating the main page, I am not sure that I feel confident enough to create those - especially when there wasn't even an index. The page would have been mostly red links. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] I agree that the naming conventions can be confusing, and am rarely confident with naming myself, but I am fairly sure that the main page for a work is title case ([[Wikisource_talk:Naming_conventions]]). Also, even if you just transclude a single page (without a TOC or whatever else), and use the work incomplete tag, I would still recommend creating the main page first. Then you can check all the links on the subpages work, and that they are subpages of the intended main page. But maybe that is just me. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - I see a conversation about case there, but no clear conclusion. The Style Guide states &quot;Sentence form (most words lowercase) is preferred, unless an original capitalisation is consistently used.&quot; - [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Page_titles]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 18:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

== Preferred style ==

Hi. You can see that I have played with some works from WT, per [[special:diff/13051650]]. We prefer that the works are set as subpages and retain their components of their parent work, also noting the full relative links, and the use of contributor. I will get back to seeing I can find the authors at a later time. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] - Noted, thank you. When I first started doing these pages for stories in WT, I followed other pages already done in the same issues. I later realised that issues in later years are done with a different format. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
::Yep, and as we started to build the collections of periodicals we adapted and changed.AND the WSes all differ a little. All a bit of a neverending story the clean up of old pages, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway my philosophy is to present solutions, not apply fault or get stuck on problems, so thanks for being understanding. Have a good one! — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 19:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] - I note that Weird Tales later in the year, and Amazing Stories no. 3 are similar to yours but include the editor - I suspect we need that. (Amazing Stories no. 2 is a mess - referring to Amazing Stories by H. G. Wells, Amazing Stories by Jules Verne etc.). I will have a go a tidying up the Weird Tales where I have been working, before moving back to the earlier ones. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 23:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Beardo}} Good-o. I would think that we would only be adding editor as a field at volume/issue level, not at article level.  I would also think that we can build a list of editors at [[Portal:Amazing Stories]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[special:prefixindex/Amazing Stories]] &lt;= building a link in to see what we are facing — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::I have link fixed the [[Amazing Stories/Volume 02]], though will need to go back to the old version to make sure that none of the pages actually are from the volume and move them into place. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

== Explanation ==

We're dealing with a couple of banned people who are trying to push their (irrelevant) points of view on various talk pages, thus at present we're being fairly tough on talk page comments that aren't directly about improving a page. In answer to your question, IIRC Christie was one of the originators of the trope. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] - ah, OK. Sorry. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

== PG ==

Wikisource no longer accepts new works that are copied from Project Gutenberg.  Secondary transcriptions of works are no longer accepted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] - I am aware of that. So what ? Are we not allowed to include links to Project Gutenberg ? Where does it say that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 11:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
:: The reason to put links on Author pages is to provide a source for adding the work here.  Ideally, the link scan should be checked.  As a result, we shouldn't link PG from Author pages any longer.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
:: Technically speaking, policy prohibits such links altogether.  See [[Wikisource:Wikilinks]]: &quot;Links to non-Wikimedia pages are not acceptable.&quot; But we've been more flexible with links to scans, DOI links, and such on Author pages because they provide future editors with a source from which to pull a work into Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

== Requested work ==

[[Under the Hau Tree]], in 1925 ''Weird Tales'', by [[Author:Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates|Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates]]. I'm interested to see what she wrote here, as I'm finishing up the works by her published in their own right. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] - OK. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 22:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] - It is now at [[Weird Tales/Volume 6/Issue 5/Under the Hau Tree]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

== Fostered content.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/fostered Much reduced, and if you can solve some remaining ones much appreciated :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Alongside the ongoing delint for bold/italics, Can you think of any non-cosmetic Wikisource specfic Checkwiki tasks that could be semi-automated?[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

== Delinting... ==

I compiled these using PAWS:-
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_pair

It would be ''nice'' to try and remove any inadvertent U,S,B,I tags caused by OCR at the same time. 

(The goal here is to allow for eventual automated conversion of these tags to equivalent wikitext markup.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

== Delinting unclosed formatting:- ==

You may find this useful:-
https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt

And thanks for looking into the remaining namespace lints :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Notes and Queries - Series 12 - Volume 10.djvu]] ==

Resolved. 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of the Esthonian Republic (1920)]] ==

If the source is not known, then how do you know the translation was published before 1929?  It is the ''original'' that was published in 1920. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:True. I have changed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

== Mystery of the Blue Train and The Black Mask ==

Hi! I finished proofreading the book if you were interested in validating it at all.

Also I saw your interest in Samuel Dashiell Hammett. I'm pretty excited for the serialized version of Maltese Falcon to be public domain next year. I've reached out to the California Archives since they have [https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt400034d3/dsc/#aspace_ref52_nx7 a large collection of the magazines] to see if they could digitize any of them. As well as to the University of Louisville who has some from [https://archivescatalog.library.louisville.edu/repositories/2/top_containers/13895 1928 and 1929]. And I found a cover from [[:File:The Black Mask, July 1 1923 cover.tif|1923]] that I uploaded as well. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - thanks for those messages. I haven't been doing much proofreading recently, but will try to get back to finish off the Christie.

:Hammett - yes. He was one of the first that I looked at when I started here. I was disappointed how little of his there is here. I wasn't aware about The Maltese Falcon - though I note that the last part appeared in the January 1930 issue - I don't know if that means that we will have to wait until the following year to finish. I see that the stories that made up The Dain Curse are now PD, and those for Red Harvest will be next year. It would be good to get those as well. Cheers -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 04:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::Interestingly the January 1930 edition was copyrighted in December 1929, so the whole serial will be public domain next year. 
::UCLA said they wouldn’t do any scans, but I have gotten some confirmation from Louisville. I think I got 2 chapters of The Dain Curse, so I’ll hopefully get around to uploading those this week. 
::and thanks for any validating you could do :) [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 13:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - oh great. I knew that it was common for magazines to be published earlier than the cover date, but didn't know if the copyright date matched the cover date or the actual publication.  -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 15:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]! [[:File:'Black Lives' Nov 1928, 'The Hollow Temple' Dec 1928.pdf|Here]] are the two stories of ''The Dain Curse'' that are already public domain from 1928. I got the scans today from Louisville University. I'm not certain if they would be subject to a transcription project or not, but please do with them what you like. Glad to help support your interest in this author. And if you care at all about The Black Mask as a publication I'll be uploading some covers of that as well. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

== I may have acted too quickly ==

I just proposed deletion of [[Patimokkha]]. I see you have recently updated its copyright banners, so maybe you were working on getting a clearer answer yourself. Apologies if I made a mess of things. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]] - thanks - no problem. What you did is fine. With some of these translation, I have been adding that template so it is clear that they need two licences, especially if the original licence is clear, but haven't been doing much to follow up. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 04:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
:: OK, thanks. That makes sense. Just hard to tell sometimes, whether somebody is actively working on something, or just doing a bunch of organizing and tidying. Appreciate your efforts on translations etc. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 08:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#With_a_Difference]] ==
So, I just wrote this about [[With a Difference]] and thought you might like to comment or watch.  Don't worry: it is nothing ''scary'' or ''whiney'' or ''combative'' or otherwise ''unflattering'' or worse.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 14:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you ==

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When I first started working on the [[:Category:Works with no license template|copyright banner backlog]], it contained in excess of 1,500 pages. As of today it's 400. More times than not, when I would click into a page, I'd find that you had been there first, offering insightful results from your research and knowledge. I don't think anybody has contributed more to this recent backlog clearing push than you, and I commend you for your work, and thank you for your insights that have helped me improve my own Wikisource work. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 23:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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==Specify a TOC on the Index page ==
I have been trying to specify the TOC on the [[Index:Sarawak_Gazette_4_January_1907_Issue_No_492.pdf|Index page of this file to the &quot;Contents&quot; section only]] but not familiar with the required wikicode for it to happen. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 09:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks. Problem solved. I got the answer from [[Help:Index pages#Parameters]] under &quot;Table of Contents&quot; section. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 11:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] - Glad to hear that. I wouldn't have known what to say - I am not an expert on that either. [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

== Weird Tales request ==

Could you do [[Weird Tales/Volume 12/Issue 5/The Flying Death]] (1928) by [[Author:Bruce Wallis|Bruce Wallis]], so that the disambiguation page [[Flying Death]] can be filled with one more item? Thank you. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] - I haven't been doing much on wikisource recently, but I will have a go. Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Kathleen.wright5}} [[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 02:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
==The White Ship==
The ''defaultsort'' and license templates were both intentionally removed; neither should be on a sub-page. Licenses are only appropriate for top-level pages (and sub-pages where the sub-pages represent individually published components, such as an issue of a magazine), while ''defaultsort'' is only appropriate for top-level pages. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] - is that policy stated somewhere? It does not make sense to me. If the sub-page is placed in a category, it needs the defaultsort to be sorted in that category. And with a periodical, each individual story will have a different licence because the authors have different dates of death. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 05:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

== Executive order redirects ==

Instead of just [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Ending_Radical_and_Wasteful_Government_DEI_Programs_and_Preferencing&amp;diff=0&amp;oldid=14809013 making a redirect] to the new name, could you please do a page move? That way anyone watching the original (such as myself) will have the new page on his watchlist as well and the page history will be retained. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] - how can I do that if the Executive Order page already exists as a properly transcluded page based on the Federal Register version ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::I apologize. If it already exists, you can't. Sorry to waste your time. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] - no problem. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== More Serialized Fiction ==

Hello! I don't know if this is of interest to you, but I determined that the initial chapters for ''Irene the Stubborn Girl'', the serialized version of ''My Man Godfrey'' are in the public domain. I've uploaded them to this [[:Commons:Category:My Man Godfrey (novel)|Commons Category]] if you are interested at all in seeing them. It is possible that the whole of the book was serialized in this portion of the periodical that was not renewed. There is not a lot of info out there online about these, so I have to make determinations myself about the larger publication history. And I made an [[Author:Eric S. Hatch|author page]] for Eric S. Hatch. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 17:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - thanks for the note. That doesn't look like it is my sort of thing. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 20:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== I want to help with the Maltese Falcon (1929) ==

Hi!

I was wondering if you could help me with something! I'd love to read the serialized version of The Maltese Falcon which I just uploaded to Commons. Is there some way in which I can translate that to usable in Wikisource? It isn't a scan of a text, but an already typed transcription pdf. I'd be glad to do the work, but need help with what the process would look like. And then it would help me learn.

You have always been so kind and I appreciate it! I want to help out here by getting another Hammett tale on. Since next year the 1930 book will be comparable to the earlier iteration of the story.

Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

== &quot;You have to mark the page with the delete/cv template&quot; ==

I've seen you say this a lot in deletion discussions. If you feel like something's off or not done right, feel free to just edit a work up for deletion / copyright discussion yourself. You can fix what's broken if you notice it. It doesn't add any value to discussions to remind someone else to do it, so please try to refrain from the reminders. (If it helps, a maintenance bot could be built to find instances of &quot;page up for deletion, no deletion tag&quot; because this is very commonly overlooked, so a discussion about that might be worth it?) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Talk page stalker: I would say that, though it would save time for the signaling user to fix the issue themselves, the reminders ''are'' useful, because it augments probability that the user who forgot'll remember next time. Plus, you never know, some new users may just not have read the notes at the top of the page, and not know at all they're supposed to tag, until someone tells them.
:Making a bot do this seems like a good idea, and as a bot operator I'll look into it. I think it would work only for single nominations (where the title is like {{code|1=== [[Nominated page]] ==}}), as else it can't really figure what links in the nom are nominated pages, but still, the bulk of nominations are single.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] - I prefer not to add those tags to pages if I am not convinced that the pages warrant deletion. (Andf I am sure that I have seen other people make similar comments.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: {{tl|delete}} and {{tl|cv}} are procedural templates; their purpose is to note that a nomination is under discussion. Placing the template is distinct from nominating the page, in that it does not express support for the deletion of the page; it's merely bringing to the attention of someone reading the page that it's under discussion (which should be always done, so that the discussion gets input). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I do not understand why you keep badgering me to do something that I don't want to do ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Smyth translations ==

Yes, they are in public domain.  They were published in 1922 and 1926, so they are PD in the US.  Since Smyth died in 1937, they are PD in the UK as well. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks. I based my comment on the fact that Internet Archive showed the book as 1930 - I take it that the translations were published before that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Dain Curse index ==

I will not be adding any &quot;improvements&quot; to the Dain Curse index, as this seems to be a source of frustration for people working on Red Harvest. Would you like to handle the index pages once I have finished with the book text? I will be sure to validate your index pages if so to avoid this situation again. 

[[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] ([[User talk:SurprisedMewtwoFace|talk]]) 22:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

:Dear @[[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] - sorry that I did not respond previously. I wasn't sure what to say. I think that the two are different situations - for one thing, Red Harvest had been fully proofread and transcluded before that other user changed the pagelist. However, looking back, it seems that I created the pagelist for The Dain Curse whilst another user had changed that for Red Harvest, removing the ToC labels, which I prefer. (I found the Contents-1 and Contents-2 ungainly.) I think that I am happy to leave The Dain Curse as it is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 22:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I don't think I changed much with The Dain Curse, as I rarely change around the formatting of indexes very much once someone else has started them. Your input is much appreciated and I think we have made a lot of progress with this book. [[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] ([[User talk:SurprisedMewtwoFace|talk]]) 00:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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{{welcome}} [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 17:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:Thank you. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 21:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

== Author Redirects ==

Hello,

Not sure if you were aware, but many authors have redirects, so that you don't have to use the override_author section of the header template. Note that this changes the header from three lines to two, e.g. [[Men without Women/The Killers]]. If you preferred the former, feel free to revert my change, if not, I can adjust the rest of the transclusion to match; I just generally prefer headers that aren't so large.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - thanks. I was aware of the redirects (though I don't know if I had realised there is one for Hemingway). I see what you mean about the header - why does it do that ? I wonder if there is a way to get it so it doesn't happen like that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] I'm afraid I don't know why it puts the extra line break in. Maybe if someone more knowledgeable in these matters happens past this comment, we could both find out. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 03:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

== [[Men Without Women]] ==

Hello again,

In future, please (please please) create the main page for a work '''before''' creating all the subpages. It avoids any issues with having to move subpages because they aren't linked to the main page, all because of a lowercase &quot;w&quot;...

Thanks, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 03:13, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - I think that there are really two separate things. The w/W was because I followed the style used for the index and source pages. I think that official wikisource policy would prefer &quot;Men without women&quot; - both lower case w. But I think as you have it looks better. Sorry about that.
:On creating the main page, I am not sure that I feel confident enough to create those - especially when there wasn't even an index. The page would have been mostly red links. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:44, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]] I agree that the naming conventions can be confusing, and am rarely confident with naming myself, but I am fairly sure that the main page for a work is title case ([[Wikisource_talk:Naming_conventions]]). Also, even if you just transclude a single page (without a TOC or whatever else), and use the work incomplete tag, I would still recommend creating the main page first. Then you can check all the links on the subpages work, and that they are subpages of the intended main page. But maybe that is just me. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:18, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] - I see a conversation about case there, but no clear conclusion. The Style Guide states &quot;Sentence form (most words lowercase) is preferred, unless an original capitalisation is consistently used.&quot; - [[Wikisource:Style_guide#Page_titles]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 18:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

== Preferred style ==

Hi. You can see that I have played with some works from WT, per [[special:diff/13051650]]. We prefer that the works are set as subpages and retain their components of their parent work, also noting the full relative links, and the use of contributor. I will get back to seeing I can find the authors at a later time. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] - Noted, thank you. When I first started doing these pages for stories in WT, I followed other pages already done in the same issues. I later realised that issues in later years are done with a different format. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
::Yep, and as we started to build the collections of periodicals we adapted and changed.AND the WSes all differ a little. All a bit of a neverending story the clean up of old pages, but hey, it is what it is. Anyway my philosophy is to present solutions, not apply fault or get stuck on problems, so thanks for being understanding. Have a good one! — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 19:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Billinghurst|Billinghurst]] - I note that Weird Tales later in the year, and Amazing Stories no. 3 are similar to yours but include the editor - I suspect we need that. (Amazing Stories no. 2 is a mess - referring to Amazing Stories by H. G. Wells, Amazing Stories by Jules Verne etc.). I will have a go a tidying up the Weird Tales where I have been working, before moving back to the earlier ones. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 23:16, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Beardo}} Good-o. I would think that we would only be adding editor as a field at volume/issue level, not at article level.  I would also think that we can build a list of editors at [[Portal:Amazing Stories]]. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:33, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[special:prefixindex/Amazing Stories]] &lt;= building a link in to see what we are facing — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 23:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::I have link fixed the [[Amazing Stories/Volume 02]], though will need to go back to the old version to make sure that none of the pages actually are from the volume and move them into place. — [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:smaller&quot;&gt;[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]&lt;/span&gt;'' 00:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

== Explanation ==

We're dealing with a couple of banned people who are trying to push their (irrelevant) points of view on various talk pages, thus at present we're being fairly tough on talk page comments that aren't directly about improving a page. In answer to your question, IIRC Christie was one of the originators of the trope. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:46, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] - ah, OK. Sorry. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 16:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

== PG ==

Wikisource no longer accepts new works that are copied from Project Gutenberg.  Secondary transcriptions of works are no longer accepted. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 00:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] - I am aware of that. So what ? Are we not allowed to include links to Project Gutenberg ? Where does it say that ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 11:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
:: The reason to put links on Author pages is to provide a source for adding the work here.  Ideally, the link scan should be checked.  As a result, we shouldn't link PG from Author pages any longer.  --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
:: Technically speaking, policy prohibits such links altogether.  See [[Wikisource:Wikilinks]]: &quot;Links to non-Wikimedia pages are not acceptable.&quot; But we've been more flexible with links to scans, DOI links, and such on Author pages because they provide future editors with a source from which to pull a work into Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

== Requested work ==

[[Under the Hau Tree]], in 1925 ''Weird Tales'', by [[Author:Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates|Katherine Merritte Snyder Yates]]. I'm interested to see what she wrote here, as I'm finishing up the works by her published in their own right. [[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] ([[User talk:PseudoSkull|talk]]) 16:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] - OK. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 22:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:PseudoSkull|PseudoSkull]] - It is now at [[Weird Tales/Volume 6/Issue 5/Under the Hau Tree]] -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 23:34, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

== Fostered content.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/fostered Much reduced, and if you can solve some remaining ones much appreciated :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Alongside the ongoing delint for bold/italics, Can you think of any non-cosmetic Wikisource specfic Checkwiki tasks that could be semi-automated?[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

== Delinting... ==

I compiled these using PAWS:-
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/s_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/u_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/b_pair
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_space
*https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/i_pair

It would be ''nice'' to try and remove any inadvertent U,S,B,I tags caused by OCR at the same time. 

(The goal here is to allow for eventual automated conversion of these tags to equivalent wikitext markup.)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:10, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

== Delinting unclosed formatting:- ==

You may find this useful:-
https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt

And thanks for looking into the remaining namespace lints :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

== [[:Index:Notes and Queries - Series 12 - Volume 10.djvu]] ==

Resolved. 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 23:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Constitution of the Esthonian Republic (1920)]] ==

If the source is not known, then how do you know the translation was published before 1929?  It is the ''original'' that was published in 1920. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 03:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

:True. I have changed. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

== Mystery of the Blue Train and The Black Mask ==

Hi! I finished proofreading the book if you were interested in validating it at all.

Also I saw your interest in Samuel Dashiell Hammett. I'm pretty excited for the serialized version of Maltese Falcon to be public domain next year. I've reached out to the California Archives since they have [https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt400034d3/dsc/#aspace_ref52_nx7 a large collection of the magazines] to see if they could digitize any of them. As well as to the University of Louisville who has some from [https://archivescatalog.library.louisville.edu/repositories/2/top_containers/13895 1928 and 1929]. And I found a cover from [[:File:The Black Mask, July 1 1923 cover.tif|1923]] that I uploaded as well. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - thanks for those messages. I haven't been doing much proofreading recently, but will try to get back to finish off the Christie.

:Hammett - yes. He was one of the first that I looked at when I started here. I was disappointed how little of his there is here. I wasn't aware about The Maltese Falcon - though I note that the last part appeared in the January 1930 issue - I don't know if that means that we will have to wait until the following year to finish. I see that the stories that made up The Dain Curse are now PD, and those for Red Harvest will be next year. It would be good to get those as well. Cheers -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 04:44, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::Interestingly the January 1930 edition was copyrighted in December 1929, so the whole serial will be public domain next year. 
::UCLA said they wouldn’t do any scans, but I have gotten some confirmation from Louisville. I think I got 2 chapters of The Dain Curse, so I’ll hopefully get around to uploading those this week. 
::and thanks for any validating you could do :) [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 13:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - oh great. I knew that it was common for magazines to be published earlier than the cover date, but didn't know if the copyright date matched the cover date or the actual publication.  -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 15:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Hello @[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]! [[:File:'Black Lives' Nov 1928, 'The Hollow Temple' Dec 1928.pdf|Here]] are the two stories of ''The Dain Curse'' that are already public domain from 1928. I got the scans today from Louisville University. I'm not certain if they would be subject to a transcription project or not, but please do with them what you like. Glad to help support your interest in this author. And if you care at all about The Black Mask as a publication I'll be uploading some covers of that as well. [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

== I may have acted too quickly ==

I just proposed deletion of [[Patimokkha]]. I see you have recently updated its copyright banners, so maybe you were working on getting a clearer answer yourself. Apologies if I made a mess of things. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 04:30, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Peteforsyth|Peteforsyth]] - thanks - no problem. What you did is fine. With some of these translation, I have been adding that template so it is clear that they need two licences, especially if the original licence is clear, but haven't been doing much to follow up. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 04:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
:: OK, thanks. That makes sense. Just hard to tell sometimes, whether somebody is actively working on something, or just doing a bunch of organizing and tidying. Appreciate your efforts on translations etc. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 08:09, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

== [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#With_a_Difference]] ==
So, I just wrote this about [[With a Difference]] and thought you might like to comment or watch.  Don't worry: it is nothing ''scary'' or ''whiney'' or ''combative'' or otherwise ''unflattering'' or worse.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 14:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you ==

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When I first started working on the [[:Category:Works with no license template|copyright banner backlog]], it contained in excess of 1,500 pages. As of today it's 400. More times than not, when I would click into a page, I'd find that you had been there first, offering insightful results from your research and knowledge. I don't think anybody has contributed more to this recent backlog clearing push than you, and I commend you for your work, and thank you for your insights that have helped me improve my own Wikisource work. -[[User:Peteforsyth|Pete]] ([[User talk:Peteforsyth|talk]]) 23:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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==Specify a TOC on the Index page ==
I have been trying to specify the TOC on the [[Index:Sarawak_Gazette_4_January_1907_Issue_No_492.pdf|Index page of this file to the &quot;Contents&quot; section only]] but not familiar with the required wikicode for it to happen. Any help is very much appreciated. Thank you! [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 09:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks. Problem solved. I got the answer from [[Help:Index pages#Parameters]] under &quot;Table of Contents&quot; section. [[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] ([[User talk:Cerevisae|talk]]) 11:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Cerevisae|Cerevisae]] - Glad to hear that. I wouldn't have known what to say - I am not an expert on that either. [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 12:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

== Weird Tales request ==

Could you do [[Weird Tales/Volume 12/Issue 5/The Flying Death]] (1928) by [[Author:Bruce Wallis|Bruce Wallis]], so that the disambiguation page [[Flying Death]] can be filled with one more item? Thank you. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 15:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] - I haven't been doing much on wikisource recently, but I will have a go. Cheers. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

==Talkback==
{{talkback|Kathleen.wright5}} [[User:Kathleen.wright5|kathleen wright5]] ([[User talk:Kathleen.wright5|talk]]) 02:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
==The White Ship==
The ''defaultsort'' and license templates were both intentionally removed; neither should be on a sub-page. Licenses are only appropriate for top-level pages (and sub-pages where the sub-pages represent individually published components, such as an issue of a magazine), while ''defaultsort'' is only appropriate for top-level pages. [[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] ([[User talk:TE(æ)A,ea.|talk]]) 14:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:TE(æ)A,ea.|TE(æ)A,ea.]] - is that policy stated somewhere? It does not make sense to me. If the sub-page is placed in a category, it needs the defaultsort to be sorted in that category. And with a periodical, each individual story will have a different licence because the authors have different dates of death. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 05:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

== Executive order redirects ==

Instead of just [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Ending_Radical_and_Wasteful_Government_DEI_Programs_and_Preferencing&amp;diff=0&amp;oldid=14809013 making a redirect] to the new name, could you please do a page move? That way anyone watching the original (such as myself) will have the new page on his watchlist as well and the page history will be retained. Thanks. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] - how can I do that if the Executive Order page already exists as a properly transcluded page based on the Federal Register version ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
::I apologize. If it already exists, you can't. Sorry to waste your time. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 02:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Koavf|Koavf]] - no problem. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 02:45, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== More Serialized Fiction ==

Hello! I don't know if this is of interest to you, but I determined that the initial chapters for ''Irene the Stubborn Girl'', the serialized version of ''My Man Godfrey'' are in the public domain. I've uploaded them to this [[:Commons:Category:My Man Godfrey (novel)|Commons Category]] if you are interested at all in seeing them. It is possible that the whole of the book was serialized in this portion of the periodical that was not renewed. There is not a lot of info out there online about these, so I have to make determinations myself about the larger publication history. And I made an [[Author:Eric S. Hatch|author page]] for Eric S. Hatch. Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 17:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:SDudley|SDudley]] - thanks for the note. That doesn't look like it is my sort of thing. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 20:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

== I want to help with the Maltese Falcon (1929) ==

Hi!

I was wondering if you could help me with something! I'd love to read the serialized version of The Maltese Falcon which I just uploaded to Commons. Is there some way in which I can translate that to usable in Wikisource? It isn't a scan of a text, but an already typed transcription pdf. I'd be glad to do the work, but need help with what the process would look like. And then it would help me learn.

You have always been so kind and I appreciate it! I want to help out here by getting another Hammett tale on. Since next year the 1930 book will be comparable to the earlier iteration of the story.

Best, [[User:SDudley|SDudley]] ([[User talk:SDudley|talk]]) 00:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

== &quot;You have to mark the page with the delete/cv template&quot; ==

I've seen you say this a lot in deletion discussions. If you feel like something's off or not done right, feel free to just edit a work up for deletion / copyright discussion yourself. You can fix what's broken if you notice it. It doesn't add any value to discussions to remind someone else to do it, so please try to refrain from the reminders. (If it helps, a maintenance bot could be built to find instances of &quot;page up for deletion, no deletion tag&quot; because this is very commonly overlooked, so a discussion about that might be worth it?) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Talk page stalker: I would say that, though it would save time for the signaling user to fix the issue themselves, the reminders ''are'' useful, because it augments probability that the user who forgot'll remember next time. Plus, you never know, some new users may just not have read the notes at the top of the page, and not know at all they're supposed to tag, until someone tells them.
:Making a bot do this seems like a good idea, and as a bot operator I'll look into it. I think it would work only for single nominations (where the title is like {{code|1=== [[Nominated page]] ==}}), as else it can't really figure what links in the nom are nominated pages, but still, the bulk of nominations are single.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] - I prefer not to add those tags to pages if I am not convinced that the pages warrant deletion. (Andf I am sure that I have seen other people make similar comments.) -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Beardo|Beardo]]: {{tl|delete}} and {{tl|cv}} are procedural templates; their purpose is to note that a nomination is under discussion. Placing the template is distinct from nominating the page, in that it does not express support for the deletion of the page; it's merely bringing to the attention of someone reading the page that it's under discussion (which should be always done, so that the discussion gets input). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I do not understand why you keep badgering me to do something that I don't want to do ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:07, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Smyth translations ==

Yes, they are in public domain.  They were published in 1922 and 1926, so they are PD in the US.  Since Smyth died in 1937, they are PD in the UK as well. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks. I based my comment on the fact that Internet Archive showed the book as 1930 - I take it that the translations were published before that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 03:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== The Dain Curse index ==

I will not be adding any &quot;improvements&quot; to the Dain Curse index, as this seems to be a source of frustration for people working on Red Harvest. Would you like to handle the index pages once I have finished with the book text? I will be sure to validate your index pages if so to avoid this situation again. 

[[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] ([[User talk:SurprisedMewtwoFace|talk]]) 22:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

:Dear @[[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] - sorry that I did not respond previously. I wasn't sure what to say. I think that the two are different situations - for one thing, Red Harvest had been fully proofread and transcluded before that other user changed the pagelist. However, looking back, it seems that I created the pagelist for The Dain Curse whilst another user had changed that for Red Harvest, removing the ToC labels, which I prefer. (I found the Contents-1 and Contents-2 ungainly.) I think that I am happy to leave The Dain Curse as it is. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo#top|talk]]) 22:13, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
::I don't think I changed much with The Dain Curse, as I rarely change around the formatting of indexes very much once someone else has started them. Your input is much appreciated and I think we have made a lot of progress with this book. [[User:SurprisedMewtwoFace|SurprisedMewtwoFace]] ([[User talk:SurprisedMewtwoFace|talk]]) 00:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{center|{{sc|Under Rule III.—Of Deity.}}}}

&quot;O thou ''Dispenser'' of life! thy mercies are boundless.&quot;—''Allen cor.''

&quot;Shall not the ''Judge'' of all the earth do right?&quot;—{{sc|Alger, Friends, et al.}}: ''Gen.'', xviii, 25. &quot;And the ''Spirit of God'' moved upon the face of the waters.&quot;—{{sc|Scott, Alger, Friends, et al.}}: ''Gen.'', i, 2. &quot;It is the gift of ''Him'', who is the great ''Author'' of good, and the Father of mercies.&quot;—''Murray cor.'' &quot;This is thy ''God'' that brought thee up out of Egypt.&quot;—{{sc|Friends' Bible}}: ''Neh.'', ix, 18. &quot;For the {{Sc|Lord}} is our defence; and the ''Holy One'' of Israel is our ''King''.&quot;—''Psal.''. lxxxix, 18. &quot;By making him the responsible steward of ''Heaven's'' bounties.&quot;—''A. S. Mag. cor.''

&quot;Which the Lord, the righteous ''Judge'', shall give me at that day.&quot;—{{Sc|Alger}}: ''2 Tim.'', iv, 8. &quot;The cries of them ... entered into the ears of the Lord of ''Sabaoth''.&quot;—ALGER, FRIENDS: ''James'', v, 4. &quot;In Horeb, the ''Deity'' revealed himself to Moses, as the ''Eternal'' 'I AM,' the ''Self-existent One''; and, after the first discouraging interview of his messengers with Pharaoh, he renewed his promise to them, by the awful name, JEHOVAH—a name till then unknown, and one which the Jews always held it a fearful profanation to pronounce.&quot;—''G. Brown''. &quot;And ''God'' spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the {{Sc|Lord}}: and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of ''God Almighty''; but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.&quot;—{{Sc|Scott, Alger, Friends}}: ''Exod.'', vi, 2. &quot;Thus saith the
{{sc|Lord}}&lt;ref&gt;OBSERVATION.—In the Bible, the word {{Sc|ord}}, whenever it stands for the Hebrew name {{Sc|Jehovah}}, not only commences with a full capital, but has small or half capitals for the other letters; and I have thought proper to print both words in that manner here. In correcting the last example, I follow Dr. Scott's Bible, except in the word &quot;''God'',&quot; which he writes with a small ''g''. Several other copies have &quot;''first''&quot; and &quot;''last''&quot; with small initials, which I think not so correct; and some distinguish the word &quot;''hosts''&quot; with a capital, which seems to be needless. The sentence here has eleven capitals: in the Latin Vulgate, it has but six, and one of them is for the last word, &quot;''Deus'',&quot; God.—G. B.&lt;/ref&gt; the ''King'' of Israel, and his ''Redeemer'' the {{Sc|Lord}} of hosts; I am the ''First'', and I am the ''Last''; and besides me there is no ''God''.&quot;—See ''Isa.'', xliv, 6.
{{ppoem|{{fqm|&quot;}}His impious race their blasphemy renew'd, And nature's ''King'', through nature's optics view'd.&quot;—''Dryden cor.''}}

{{center|{{sc|Under Rule IV.—Of Proper Names.}}}}

&quot;Islamism prescribes fasting during the month ''Ramadan''.&quot;—''Balbi cor.''

&quot;Near ''Mecca'', in ''Arabia'', is ''Jebel Nor'', or the ''Mountain of Light'', on the top of which the ''Mussulmans'' erected a mosque, that they might perform their devotions where, according to their belief, ''Mohammed'' received from the angel ''Gabriel'' the first chapter of the Koran.&quot;—''G. Brown''. &quot;In the ''Kaaba'' at ''Mecca'' there is a celebrated block of volcanic basalt, which the ''Mohammedans'' venerate as the gift of ''Gabriel'' to ''Abraham'', but their ancestors once held it to be an image of ''Remphan'', or ''Saturn''; so 'the image which fell down from ''Jupiter'',' to share with ''Diana'' the homage of the ''Ephesians'', was probably nothing more than a meteoric stone.&quot;—''Id.''

&quot;When the ''Lycaonians'' at ''Lystra'' took ''Paul'' and ''Barnabas'' to be gods, they called the former ''Mercury'', on account of his eloquence, and the latter ''Jupiter'', for the greater dignity of his appearance.&quot;—''Id.'' &quot;Of the writings of the apostolic fathers of the first century, but few have come down to us; yet we have in those of ''Barnabas, Clement'' of ''Rome, Hermas, Ignatius'', and ''Polycarp'', very certain evidence of the authenticity of the New Testament, and the New Testament is a voucher for the Old.&quot;—''Id.'' &quot;It is said by ''Tatian'', that ''Theagenes'' of ''Rhegium'', in the time of ''Cambyses, Stesimbrotus'' the ''Thracian, Antimachus'' the ''Colophonian, Herodotus'' of ''Halicarnassus, Dionysius'' the ''Olynthian, Ephorus'' of ''Cumæ, Philochorus'' the ''Athenian, Metaclides'' and ''Chamæleon'' the ''Peripatetics'', and ''Zenodotus, Aristophanes, Callimachus, Crates, Eratosthenes, Aristarchus'', and ''Apollodorus'', the grammarians, all wrote concerning the poetry, the birth, and the age of ''Homer''.&quot;—See ''Coleridge's Introd.'', p. 57. &quot;Yet, for aught that now appears, the life of ''Homer'' is as fabulous as that of ''Hercules''; and some have even suspected, that, as the son of ''Jupiter'' and ''Alcmena'' has fathered the deeds of forty other ''Herculeses'', so this unfathered son of ''Critheis, Themisto'', or whatever dame—this ''Melesigenes, Mæonides, Homer''—the blind schoolmaster, and poet, of ''Smyrna, Chios, Colophon, Salamis, Rhodes, Argos, Athens'', or whatever place—has, by the help of ''Lycurgus, Solon, Pisistratus'', and other learned ancients, been made up of many poets or ''Homers'', and set so far aloft and aloof on old ''Parnassus'', as to become a god in the eyes of all ''Greece'', a wonder in those of all ''Christendom''.&quot;—''G. Brown''.
{{ppoem|&quot;Why so sagacious in your guesses? Your ''Effs'', and ''Tees'', and ''Ars'', and ''Esses''?&quot;—''Swift corrected''.}}
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modern passageway to its alabaster corridor
and pillared hall, I felt that Abdul
and the local German attendant had not
shown us all there was to see. After this
we made the conventional circuit of the
pyramid plateau, examining the Second
Pyramid and the peculiar ruins of its
mortuary chapel to the east, the Third
Pyramid and its miniature southern
satellites and ruined eastern chapel, the
rock tombs and honeycombings of the
fourth and fifth dynasties, and the
famous Campbell's Tomb whose shadowy
shaft sinks precipitously for fifty-three
feet to a sinister sarcophagus which one
of our camel-drivers divested of the cumbering
sand after a vertiginous descent
by rope.

Cries now assailed us from the Great
Pyramid, where Bedouins were besieging
a party of tourists with offers of
guidance to the top, or of displays of
speed in the performance of solitary
trips up and down. Seven minutes, is
said to be the record for such an ascent
and descent, but many lusty sheiks and
sons of sheiks assured us they could cut
it to five if given the requisite impetus
of liberal ''baksheesh''. They did not get
this impetus, though we did let Abdul
take us up, thus obtaining a view of unprecedented
magnificence which included
not only remote ond glittering
Cairo with its crowned Citadel and background
of gold-violet hills, but all the
pyramids of the Memphian district, as
well, from Abu Roash on the north to
the Dashur on the south. The Sakkara
step-pyramid, which marks the evolution
of the low ''mastaba'' into the true pyramid,
showed clearly and alluringly in
the sandy distance. It is close to this
transition-monument that the famed
Tomb of Perneb was found—more than
four hundred miles north of the Theban
rock valley where Tut-Ankh-Amen
sleeps. Again I was forced to silence
through sheer awe. The prospect of such
antiquity, and the secrets each hoary
monument seemed to hold and brood
over, filled me with a reverence and
sense of immensity nothing else ever
gave me.

Fatigued by our climb, and disgusted
with the importunate Bedouins whose
actions seemed to defy every rule of
taste, we omitted the arduous detail of
entering the cramped interior passages
of any of the pyramids, though we saw
several of the hardiest tourists preparing
for the suffocating crawl through
Cheops' mightiest memorial. As we dismissed
and overpaid our local bodyguard
and drove back to Cairo with Abdul
Reis under the afternoon sun, we
half regretted the omission we had
made. Such fascinating things were
whispered about lower pyramid passages
not in the guide books; passages whose
entrances had been hastily blocked up
and concealed by certain uncommunicative
archaeologists who had found and
begun to explore them. Of course, this
whispering was largely baseless on the
face of it; but it was curious to reflect
how persistently visitors were forbidden
to enter the Pyramids at night, or to
visit the lowest burrows and crypt of the
Great Pyramid. Perhaps in the latter
case it was the psychological effect which
was feared—the effect on the visitor of
feeling himself huddled down beneath a
gigantic world of solid masonry; joined
to the life he has known by the merest
tube, in which he may only crawl, and
which any accident or evil design might
block. The whole subject seemed so
weird and alluring that we resolved to
pay the pyramid plateau another visit
at the earliest possible opportunity. For
me this opportunity came much earlier
than I expected.

That evening the members of our
party feeling somewhat tired after the
strenuous programme of the day, I went
alone with Abdul Reis for a walk
through the picturesque Arab quarter.
Though I had seen it by day, I wished to
study the alleys and bazaars in the dusk,
when rich shadows and mellow gleams of
light would add to their glamour and
fantastic illusion. The native crowds
were thinning, but were still very noisy
and numerous when we came upon a
knot of reveling Bedouins in the Suk-en-Nahhasin,
or bazaar of the copper-smiths.
Their apparent leader, an insolent
youth with heavy features and
saucily cocked tarbush, took some notice
of us; and evidently recognized with no
great friendliness my competent but admittedly
supercilious and sneeringly disposed
guide. Perhaps, I thought, he resented
that odd reproduction of the
Sphinx's half smile which I had often
remarked with amused irritation; or
perhaps he did not like the hollow and
sepulchral resonance of Abdul's voice.
At any rate, the exchange of ancestrally
opprobrious language became very
brisk; and before long Ali Ziz, as I
heard the stranger called when called by
no worse name, began to pull violently
at Abdul's robe, an action quickly reciprocated,
and leading to a spirited
scuffle in which both combatants lost
their sacredly cherished headgear and
would have reached an even direr condition
had I not intervened and separated
them by main force.

My interference, at first seemingly unwelcome
on both sides, succeeded at last
in effecting a truce. Sullenly each belligerent
composed his wrath and his attire;
and with an assumption of dignity
as profound as it was sudden, the two
formed a curious pact of honour which
I soon learned is a custom of great antiquity
in Cairo—a pact for the settlement
of their difference by means of n
nocturnal fist fight atop the Great Pyramid,
long after the departure of the last
moonlight sightseer. Each duellist was
to assemble a party of seconds, and the
affair was to begin at midnight, proceeding
by rounds in the most civilized possible
fashion. In all this planning there
was much which excited my interest.
The fight itself promised to be unique
and spectacular, while the thought of the
scene on that hoary pile overlooking the
antediluvian plateau of Gizeh under the
wan moon of the pallid small hours appealed
to every fiber of imagination in
me. A request found Abdul exceedingly
willing to admit me to his party of
seconds; so that all the rest of the early
evening I accompanied him to various
dens in the most lawless regions of the
town—mostly northeast of the Ezbekiyeh—where
he gathered one by one a
select and formidable band of congenial
cutthroats as his pugilistic background.

Shortly after nine our party, mounted
on donkeys bearing such royal or tourist-reminiscent
names as &quot;Rameses,&quot;
&quot;Mark Twain,&quot; &quot;J. P. Morgan,&quot; and
&quot;Minnehaha,&quot; edged through street
labyrinths both Oriental and Occidental,
crossed the muddy and mast-forested
Nile by the bridge of the bronze lions,
and cantered philosophically between
the lebbakhs on the road to Gizeh.
Slightly over two hours were consumed
by the trip, toward the end of which
we passed the last of the returning tourists,
saluted the last in-bound trolley-car,
and were alone with the night and
the past and the spectral moon.

Then we saw the vast pyramids at the
end of the avenue, ghoulish with a dim
atavistical menace which I had not
seemed to notice in the daytime. Even
the smallest of them held a hint of the
ghastly—for was it not in this that they
had buried Queen Nitocris alive in the
Sixth Dynasty; subtle Queen Nitocris,
who once invited all her enemies to a
feast in a temple below the Nile, and
drowned them by opening the water-gates?
I recalled that the Arabs whisper
things about Nitocris, and shun the
Third Pyramid at certain phases of the
moon. It must have been over her that
Thomas Moore was brooding when he
wrote of a thing muttered about by
Memphian boatmen—
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{{numbered list|start=23|{{note|23}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45 (“And I told him it was going to
be a process. It was going to be, you know–you know, we're going to have to wait and see how this turned out. So I, just like I did in 2016, I did the same thing in 2020.”).

|{{note|24}}“When States Can Begin Processing and Counting Absentee/Mail-In Ballots, 2020,” Ballotpedia (accessed on Dec. 5, 2022), available at https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots_2020.

|{{note|25}}See Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Hearing on the January 6th Investigation, 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|26}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45; Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|27}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|28}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 36.

|{{note|29}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Jared Kushner, (Mar. 31, 2022), p. 21.

|{{note|30}}John J. Martin, ''Mail-in Ballots and Constraints on Federal Power under the Electors Clause'', 107 Va. L. Rev. Online 84, 86 (Apr. 2021) (noting that 45 States and DC permitted voters to request a mail-in ballot or automatically receive one in the 2020 election); Nathanial Rakich and Jasmine Mithani, “What Absentee Voting Looked Like In All 50 States,” FiveThirtyEight, (Feb. 9, 2021), available at https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-absenteevoting-looked-like-in-all-50-states/; Lisa Danetz, “Mail Ballot Security Features: A Primer,”
Brennan Center for Justice, (Oct. 16, 2020), available at https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer.

|{{note|31}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Hope Hicks, (Oct. 25, 2022), p. 24.

|{{note|32}}He also won in Utah, which mailed absentee ballots to all active voters, and won one or more electoral votes in both Maine and Nebraska, which allowed no-excuse absentee voting and assign their electoral votes proportionally. See “Table 1: States with No-Excuse Absentee Voting,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (July 12, 2022), available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20201004185006/https://www.ncsl.org/research/electionsand-campaigns/vopp-table-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx (archived); “Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and Other Voting at Home Options,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (Sep. 24, 2020), available at http://web.archive.org/web/20201103175057/https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-andcampaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx (archived); Federal Election Commission, “Federal Elections 2020 – Election Results for the U.S. President, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives,” (Oct. 2022), p. 12, available at https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2020.pdf.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smaller block/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{numbered list|start=23|{{note|23}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45 (“And I told him it was going to
be a process. It was going to be, you know–you know, we're going to have to wait and see how this turned out. So I, just like I did in 2016, I did the same thing in 2020.”).

|{{note|24}}“When States Can Begin Processing and Counting Absentee/Mail-In Ballots, 2020,” Ballotpedia (accessed on Dec. 5, 2022), available at https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots_2020.

|{{note|25}}See Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Hearing on the January 6th Investigation, 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|26}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45; Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|27}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|28}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 36.

|{{note|29}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Jared Kushner, (Mar. 31, 2022), p. 21.

|{{note|30}}John J. Martin, ''Mail-in Ballots and Constraints on Federal Power under the Electors Clause'', 107 Va. L. Rev. Online 84, 86 (Apr. 2021) (noting that 45 States and DC permitted voters to request a mail-in ballot or automatically receive one in the 2020 election); Nathanial Rakich and Jasmine Mithani, “What Absentee Voting Looked Like In All 50 States,” FiveThirtyEight, (Feb. 9, 2021), available at https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-absenteevoting-looked-like-in-all-50-states/; Lisa Danetz, “Mail Ballot Security Features: A Primer,”
Brennan Center for Justice, (Oct. 16, 2020), available at https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer.

|{{note|31}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Hope Hicks, (Oct. 25, 2022), p. 24.

|{{note|32}}He also won in Utah, which mailed absentee ballots to all active voters, and won one or more electoral votes in both Maine and Nebraska, which allowed no-excuse absentee voting and assign their electoral votes proportionally. See “Table 1: States with No-Excuse Absentee Voting,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (July 12, 2022), available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20201004185006/https://www.ncsl.org/research/electionsand-campaigns/vopp-table-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx (archived); “Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and Other Voting at Home Options,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (Sep. 24, 2020), available at http://web.archive.org/web/20201103175057/https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-andcampaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx (archived); Federal Election Commission, “Federal Elections 2020 – Election Results for the U.S. President, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives,” (Oct. 2022), p. 12, available at https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2020.pdf.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smaller block/e}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{numbered list|start=23|{{note|23}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45 (“And I told him it was going to
be a process. It was going to be, you know–you know, we're going to have to wait and see how this turned out. So I, just like I did in 2016, I did the same thing in 2020.”).

|{{note|24}}“When States Can Begin Processing and Counting Absentee/Mail-In Ballots, 2020,” Ballotpedia (accessed on Dec. 5, 2022), available at https://ballotpedia.org/When_states_can_begin_processing_and_counting_absentee/mail-in_ballots_2020.

|{{note|25}}See Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Hearing on the January 6th Investigation, 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|26}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 45; Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|27}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, ''Hearing on the January 6th Investigation'', 117th Cong., 2d sess., (June 13, 2022), available at https://www.govinfo.gov/committee/house-january6th.

|{{note|28}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of William Stepien, (Feb. 10, 2022), p. 36.

|{{note|29}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Jared Kushner, (Mar. 31, 2022), p. 21.

|{{note|30}}John J. Martin, ''Mail-in Ballots and Constraints on Federal Power under the Electors Clause'', 107 Va. L. Rev. Online 84, 86 (Apr. 2021) (noting that 45 States and DC permitted voters to request a mail-in ballot or automatically receive one in the 2020 election); Nathanial Rakich and Jasmine Mithani, “What Absentee Voting Looked Like In All 50 States,” FiveThirtyEight, (Feb. 9, 2021), available at https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-absenteevoting-looked-like-in-all-50-states/; Lisa Danetz, “Mail Ballot Security Features: A Primer,”
Brennan Center for Justice, (Oct. 16, 2020), available at https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer.

|{{note|31}}Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, Transcribed Interview of Hope Hicks, (Oct. 25, 2022), p. 24.

|{{note|32}}He also won in Utah, which mailed absentee ballots to all active voters, and won one or more electoral votes in both Maine and Nebraska, which allowed no-excuse absentee voting and assign their electoral votes proportionally. See “Table 1: States with No-Excuse Absentee Voting,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (July 12, 2022), available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20201004185006/https://www.ncsl.org/research/electionsand-campaigns/vopp-table-1-states-with-no-excuse-absentee-voting.aspx (archived); “Voting Outside the Polling Place: Absentee, All-Mail and Other Voting at Home Options,” National Conference of State Legislatures, (Sep. 24, 2020), available at http://web.archive.org/web/20201103175057/https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-andcampaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx (archived); Federal Election Commission, “Federal Elections 2020 – Election Results for the U.S. President, the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House of Representatives,” (Oct. 2022), p. 12, available at https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2020.pdf.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;
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transportation, the government has favored
all railway projects for their military value
in controlling provinces thousands of miles
distant. But a much stronger impulse was
given in this direction by our rebellion, in
raising the price of cotton and stimulating
its culture over a vast extent of territory.

These roads are all built and worked by
companies, but the government guarantees
a five per cent. dividend to the stockholders,
and exercises a general control over the
management. It was at first supposed that
the natives would not ride in carriages
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inferior; but happily this proved to be a
mistake, and the principal income from passenger
traffic is derived from the natives,
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development of the country, in stimulating
the production of the great staples by providing
an easy and rapid transportation to
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English, are well and substantially built.
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its place almost everywhere. The station
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iron roofs; the ties and sleepers, all
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are of iron. When it is considered that the
engines and cars, as well as every pound of
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out from England, it will be understood
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have been. In the management everything
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and the gentlemanly “conductor” is
transformed into a “guard,” who wears the
uniform, buttons and badge of the railway.
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compartments holding eight persons, with
doors opening on both sides to the platform,
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English model, and are protected from the
sun by a double roof, the upper one a few
inches above the lower and projecting
slightly on either side. Every window, in
addition to glasses, has Venetian blinds, and
frequently sun-shades beside, and ventilation
is especially provided for. But what avail
double roof, Venetian blind or sun-shade
against the terrible heat of an Indian summer?
Then the carriages became like furnaces
seven times heated. The very seat is
hot to the touch, and you are afraid to lean
back lest your coat stick to the varnished
panel. If no ladies are present you relapse
into the free-and-easy, take off the boots
from your swollen feet, denude yourself of
coat and vest, hang your soaked collar up
to dry, elevate your feet, if possible, to the
level of your nose, light a cheroot, and
dreamily subside into a patient endurance
of the miseries of the situation.

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is considered a luxury to be indulged
in only by those who can travel regardless
of expense; but here it seems an indispensable
requisite to comfort. A first-class
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Rice, tobacco, castor oil-beans, and poppies
are the principal crops. The poppy is cultivated
under the immediate supervision of
the Government authorities, who take the
crop at a fixed price and manufacture it
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prairies the mango trees are scattered like
the oaks in an English park. An occasional
glimpse of the Ganges calls up no
enthusiasm. It is now the dry season and
the Sacred River is very low, with broad,
sandy banks. The current is as rapid as the
Missouri, and the water of the same dingy,
yellow color. The railway is fenced with
cactus hedged and its showy yellow
blossoms form a bright feature in the land-
scape.

The natives have very little idea of time-tables
and departure hours. They walk
down to the stations and there sit on the
platforms smoking their ''hookahs'', waiting
patiently for the train to arrive whether it
is one hour or ten. But when they hear the
train coming they {{SIC|loose|lose}} all self-control and
rush like a flock of sheep crowding and
jamming, with an uproar that sounds like
a Babel of tongues, towerds the pens provided
for them, as if for dear life, where
they are stowed away like tightly-packed
herrings. Here once seated the hubbub
subsides, and they whiff at their hubble-bubbles
in stolid indifference,and never complain
to the guard {{SIC|at|of}} being behind time.
For the convenience of this class of travelers,
from whom the chief income of the
company is derived, the stations are very
close together, and as the trains stop at every
station the rate of speed rarely exceeds
twenty miles an hour. Nearly all the railway
employees are natives, and the ticket
clerks and book-keepers are usually half-castes,
who speak English as well as Hindoostanic.
They are addressed as ''Baboos'', a
title of honor, and feel infinitely above their
native brethren. They are very civil to
Europeans, but the way they kick and cuff
the natives is an illustration of the effect of
“a little brief authority”{{--}}the same all the
world over.

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who yells out in a barbaric manner some
such euphonious name as ''Chandaragore'', or
''Dildaranuggur'', meanwhile clanging his bell
to announce the approach of the train. As
the day grew hot a water-carrier with a 
well-filled skin upon his back appeared at
every station and ran alongside the native
cars in answer to the universal shout of
&quot;''ah! ah! Beestie!''&quot; The dust and glare was
almost intolerable, but I had been warned
not to partake of this &quot;cholera mixture,” although
an occasional ablution taken ''al fresco''
at the carriage door, with a towel, soap and
sponge from my traveling bag, was quite a
luxury.

The scene when we stopped for dinner was
unique. The station-master and the sparrows
alone ware English{{--}}everything else
looked Eastern. Black Sepoy soldiers rushed
frantically among the screaming natives
who were crowding into the train, each
hugging a big bundle, sometimes containing
household stuff and sometimes babies{{--}}''palkees
and doolies''{{--}}palanquins and sedans, as
we should call them{{--}}waited at the back
door of the station{{--}}natives were crowded
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where the ''Baboo'' in attendance was coolly
smoking his water-pipe{{--}}an ibis was drinking
at the engine tank; a sacred cow looking
over the cactus hedges; a tame elephant
reaching up with his trunk at the telegraph
wire, on which was perched a bird with
bright plumage, while an Indian vulture
crowned the iron telegraph post. I was so
much amused at watching these strange
sights that I quite forgot my dinner, and
when the starting bell rang I made a rush
to the dining room and seized a couple of
sandwiches, for which I paid a rupee, and,
without stopping for the change, jumped on
board the train, which was already in motion.

In the broad cultivated plain through
which we pass there are no detached houses
to be seen, but we frequently rush past mud
villages which contain quite a colony of
people, and are the most wretched and
filthy imaginable. A moat full of black
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mosquitoes{{--}}especially the latter. The
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who yells out in a barbaric manner some
such euphonious name as ''Chandaragore'', or
''Dildaranuggur'', meanwhile clanging his bell
to announce the approach of the train. As
the day grew hot a water-carrier with a 
well-filled skin upon his back appeared at
every station and ran alongside the native
cars in answer to the universal shout of
&quot;''ah! ah! Beestie!''&quot; The dust and glare was
almost intolerable, but I had been warned
not to partake of this &quot;cholera mixture,” although
an occasional ablution taken ''al fresco''
at the carriage door, with a towel, soap and
sponge from my traveling bag, was quite a
luxury.

The scene when we stopped for dinner was
unique. The station-master and the sparrows
alone ware English{{--}}everything else
looked Eastern. Black Sepoy soldiers rushed
frantically among the screaming natives
who were crowding into the train, each
hugging a big bundle, sometimes containing
household stuff and sometimes babies{{--}}''palkees and doolies''{{--}}palanquins and sedans, as
we should call them{{--}}waited at the back
door of the station{{--}}natives were crowded
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where the ''Baboo'' in attendance was coolly
smoking his water-pipe{{--}}an ibis was drinking
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over the cactus hedges; a tame elephant
reaching up with his trunk at the telegraph
wire, on which was perched a bird with
bright plumage, while an Indian vulture
crowned the iron telegraph post. I was so
much amused at watching these strange
sights that I quite forgot my dinner, and
when the starting bell rang I made a rush
to the dining room and seized a couple of
sandwiches, for which I paid a rupee, and,
without stopping for the change, jumped on
board the train, which was already in motion.

In the broad cultivated plain through
which we pass there are no detached houses
to be seen, but we frequently rush past mud
villages which contain quite a colony of
people, and are the most wretched and
filthy imaginable. A moat full of black
looking water surrounds each, which an-
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the smoke escapes through the roof or low
doorway, and keeps out the mosquitoes.
The ditch is ususlly spanned by a narrow
plank, which seems to be a favorite spot to
perform the operation of tooth cleaning, for
we rarely pass one of these narrow bridges
upon which one or more natives is not
perched, industriously scrubbing at his
mouth, which I think must be a part of the
religion of a {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}}, for though his black
skin may be filthy, and his hair frowsly, I
notice that thelr teeth are universally white
and clean.

Passing by one of these villages by mid—day
one cannot appreciate the multitude of
inhabitants it shelters. All is still and
somnolent{{--}}even the trees. The men are
away at work in the fields, their better-halves
are asleep, and the children are at the
schools supported by the government but
for which the people have to pay in taxes.
But in the early morning, or an hour before
dark in the evening, all is clamor and hustle.
The children are noisily playing and making
mud-pies, the “lasses” are gathering cow-manure,
which is stuck against the walls to
dry for fuel, the father is washing himself
and his linen in the ditch in front of the
village, from which the women are filling
water jars for culinary purposes. Here the
village barber is removing the hair from the
poll of a slightly clad gentleman sitting on
his haunches in the street, while a Brahmin
near by daubs 4 would-be dandy with 4
finishing touch of ochre on his forehead ard
nose. Ag the “fire carriage” whirls by, 3
crowd of ewarthy, naked little imps line the
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the family standing up to his waist in the
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lock st the train, which, though no longer
a novelty, will alwvays remain te him an
unfathomable mystery.

Jast before dark we reach mogul-Sarai,
the junction ofa branch road siz miles long
to Benares, the sscred city of the Hindooe.
Here we cross the Ganges by » bridge af
boats, and drive two miles through the nar-
row streets to the English Cantonment,
Where a one-story Bungalow, ¢alied the
“Vietoria Hotel,” the only one here, though
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the smoke escapes through the roof or low
doorway, and keeps out the mosquitoes.
The ditch is ususlly spanned by a narrow
plank, which seems to be a favorite spot to
perform the operation of tooth cleaning, for
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upon which one or more natives is not
perched, industriously scrubbing at his
mouth, which I think must be a part of the
religion of a {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}}, for though his black
skin may be filthy, and his hair frowsly, I
notice that thelr teeth are universally white
and clean.

Passing by one of these villages by mid—day
one cannot appreciate the multitude of
inhabitants it shelters. All is still and
somnolent{{--}}even the trees. The men are
away at work in the fields, their better-halves
are asleep, and the children are at the
schools supported by the government but
for which the people have to pay in taxes.
But in the early morning, or an hour before
dark in the evening, all is clamor and hustle.
The children are noisily playing and making
mud-pies, the “lasses” are gathering cow-manure,
which is stuck against the walls to
dry for fuel, the father is washing himself
and his linen in the ditch in front of the
village, from which the women are filling
water jars for culinary purposes. Here the
village barber is removing the hair from the
poll of a slightly clad gentleman sitting on
his haunches in the street, while a Brahmin
near by daubs a would-be dandy with a
finishing touch of ochre on his forehead ard
nose. As the “fire carriage” whirls by, a
crowd of swarthy, naked little imps line the
moat to gaze at the sight, and the head of
the family standing up to his waist in the
filthy pond, ceases for a moment the cleansing
process of daubing himself with mud to
look at the train, which, though no longer
a novelty, will always remain to him an
unfathomable mystery.

Just before dark we reach Mogul-Serai,
the junction ofa branch road six miles long
to Benares, the sacred city of the {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}}.
Here we cross the Ganges by a bridge of
boats, and drive two miles through the narrow
streets to the English Cantonment,
where a one-story Bungalow, called the
“Victoria Hotel,” the only one here, though
not very promising in appearance, affords
us a good supper and a comfortable bed.

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who was educated at the Queens’ College in
that city. He wrote his name in a {{SIC|Sanscrit|Sanskrit}}
book which he gave me as “Shiva Dotta,
Pundit.” He laughed at the superstition
of his countrymen and professed to disbelieve
in Brahma and in his namesake Shiva,
but I could not make out that in objuring
Paganism he had embraced Christianity.
Like many {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}} who have been educated
above the religion of their ancestors he was
skeptical, and had no religion or theology of
any kind to speak of.

This city has been over a century under
the rule of the English, but it has changed
less than any other large place in India.
The most intense bigotry and superstition
rules everywhere supreme. The inhabitants
are almost exclusively {{SIC|Hindoos|Hindus}} who
support {{SIC|hundred|hundreds}} of temples, while the
{{SIC|Mohamedans|Muslims}} have but one great Mosque
whose stately minarets mark the triumph
of the crescent over the object and superstitous
Hindoos. As we rode through the
suburbs we passed hundreds of women stepping
gracefully along, bearing water jugs
on their heads, while many others were
crowded around the well waiting their
turn to dip the bright copper cans holding
about a quart, which every Hindoo carries,
into the water to fill their jugs. They kept
up a continual clatter like so many magpies,
shouting and gesticulating in the
most excited manner. A true Hindoo when
not asleep, is always talking or playing on
the tom tom.

The great sight in Benares is the river
front, which is lined with palaces, temples,
and ghants for two miles, and where the
Hindoo pilgrims come from all over India
to wash in the sacred river. A drive of half
an hour brought us to the Ganges at the
upper end of the city. On the way we
stopped to see the famous “Monkey Temple,”
where swarms of huge, fat-paunched,
yellow-headed holy monkeys fill the enclosure,
hang from roofs, are strung along
every beam, and grin at you from all
sides. Before we reached their temple we
met the outposts running along the walls
keeping alongside our gharry, and jumping
down to secure the {{SIC|handfulls|handfuls}} of parched peas
thrown to them by my guide. Inside the
temple and around the large sacred tank
adjoining, are many thousands of these fat,
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they steal everything they can put their
paws on; but the Hindoo venerates the ape,
and their sacred character protects them
from all molestation. They believe that
these are descendants from the Monkey God
himself who came to India thousands of
years ago. At the call of the priests, to
whom I gave some money to buy food, they
came noisily flocking from every direction,
along roof and parapet, from turret and pinnacle,
down pillars, from every corner and
crannie each eager to receive his share,
cramming their pouches with frightened
haste, keeping one eye on us, as if ready for
attack or retreat. Some were large, ugly-looking
customers as if disposed to {{SIC|show|show a}}
fight. When I shock my cane at them they
scampered away, but stopped at a safe distance
to grin and “make faces,” mocking
every motion in that comical, semi-human
manner peculiar to the tribe. My “shaking
a stick at them&quot;? made the attendant priests
scowl at me, and to strike one would lead to
serious consequences.

Arriving at the river’s edge, we embarked
on a boat and floated slowly down the
stream, which is about six hundred yards
wide, keeping just near enough to the shore
to witness one of the strangest sights in the
world. The ''Ghants', or stone steps rise
eighty feet from the water, and are crowned
with splendid palaces of cut stone, four and
five stories in height, with carved saracenic
arches over the door-ways and windows.
Facing the east the early morning sun
gave a splendid architectural effect to this
river front; which Bayard Taylor says,
“cannot be paralleled or surpassed by any
similar scene in India, or in the world.”
Many of these buildings are the palaces of
wealthy Hindoo princes who make periodical
visits to Benares to purge themselves
from sins contracted in less holy habita-
tions. There is no sin so abominable, not
even the crime of murder, which a dip in
the fetid waters of the Ganges does not instantly
efface. At the foot of the Ghants
were thousands of bathers, men, women
and children, ducking and splashing in the
sacred stream. Many were entirely nude,
others were “next to nothing” in the way
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they steal everything they can put their
paws on; but the Hindoo venerates the ape,
and their sacred character protects them
from all molestation. They believe that
these are descendants from the Monkey God
himself who came to India thousands of
years ago. At the call of the priests, to
whom I gave some money to buy food, they
came noisily flocking from every direction,
along roof and parapet, from turret and pinnacle,
down pillars, from every corner and
crannie each eager to receive his share,
cramming their pouches with frightened
haste, keeping one eye on us, as if ready for
attack or retreat. Some were large, ugly-looking
customers as if disposed to {{SIC|show|show a}}
fight. When I shock my cane at them they
scampered away, but stopped at a safe distance
to grin and “make faces,” mocking
every motion in that comical, semi-human
manner peculiar to the tribe. My “shaking
a stick at them&quot;? made the attendant priests
scowl at me, and to strike one would lead to
serious consequences.

Arriving at the river’s edge, we embarked
on a boat and floated slowly down the
stream, which is about six hundred yards
wide, keeping just near enough to the shore
to witness one of the strangest sights in the
world. The ''Ghants', or stone steps rise
eighty feet from the water, and are crowned
with splendid palaces of cut stone, four and
five stories in height, with carved saracenic
arches over the door-ways and windows.
Facing the east the early morning sun
gave a splendid architectural effect to this
river front; which Bayard Taylor says,
“cannot be paralleled or surpassed by any
similar scene in India, or in the world.”
Many of these buildings are the palaces of
wealthy Hindoo princes who make periodical
visits to Benares to purge themselves
from sins contracted in less holy habitations.
There is no sin so abominable, not
even the crime of murder, which a dip in
the fetid waters of the Ganges does not instantly
efface. At the foot of the Ghants
were thousands of bathers, men, women
and children, ducking and splashing in the
sacred stream. Many were entirely nude,
others were “next to nothing” in the way
of drapery, and as they stood waist-deep {{SIC|in
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they steal everything they can put their
paws on; but the Hindoo venerates the ape,
and their sacred character protects them
from all molestation. They believe that
these are descendants from the Monkey God
himself who came to India thousands of
years ago. At the call of the priests, to
whom I gave some money to buy food, they
came noisily flocking from every direction,
along roof and parapet, from turret and pinnacle,
down pillars, from every corner and
crannie each eager to receive his share,
cramming their pouches with frightened
haste, keeping one eye on us, as if ready for
attack or retreat. Some were large, ugly-looking
customers as if disposed to {{SIC|show|show a}}
fight. When I shock my cane at them they
scampered away, but stopped at a safe distance
to grin and “make faces,” mocking
every motion in that comical, semi-human
manner peculiar to the tribe. My “shaking
a stick at them&quot;? made the attendant priests
scowl at me, and to strike one would lead to
serious consequences.

Arriving at the river’s edge, we embarked
on a boat and floated slowly down the
stream, which is about six hundred yards
wide, keeping just near enough to the shore
to witness one of the strangest sights in the
world. The ''Ghants'', or stone steps rise
eighty feet from the water, and are crowned
with splendid palaces of cut stone, four and
five stories in height, with carved saracenic
arches over the door-ways and windows.
Facing the east the early morning sun
gave a splendid architectural effect to this
river front; which Bayard Taylor says,
“cannot be paralleled or surpassed by any
similar scene in India, or in the world.”
Many of these buildings are the palaces of
wealthy Hindoo princes who make periodical
visits to Benares to purge themselves
from sins contracted in less holy habitations.
There is no sin so abominable, not
even the crime of murder, which a dip in
the fetid waters of the Ganges does not instantly
efface. At the foot of the Ghants
were thousands of bathers, men, women
and children, ducking and splashing in the
sacred stream. Many were entirely nude,
others were “next to nothing” in the way
of drapery, and as they stood waist-deep {{SIC|in
in|in}} the water, going throngh their prostrations
and pouring the filthy stuff over their
heads, they seemed perfectly indifferent to
the gaze of the crowd around. Mingled together and seemingly quite {{SIC|unconcious|unconscious}} of&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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sedate matron, the young maiden, the
venerable priest with his young disciple,
and the nude ascetic with weakened aspect
and withered limbs, engaged in rites and
ceremonies hallowed to them by the usage
of centuries. Thick, black smoke rose to
the clear blue sky from bonfires between
the Ghants on the bank, where the bodies
of the dead are being consumed, after which
the ashes would be thrown into the river to
float straight to paradise. But the most
horrible sights were the dead bodies, some
of them partially consumed, which we saw
floating around in the river. Along the
bank in other places, were lines of prostrate
sick people, brought to the sacred Ganges
to die, or perhaps to be murdered by suffocation
with sacred mud by impatient
heirs, which is said to be not an unusual
occurrence. No where in the world unless
in Central Africa, can be seen such besotted
superstition and idolatry coupled with such
intolerant fanaticism as in Benares.

We land near a large stone building of
tasteful architceture, bat somewhat decayed,
called the observatory of ''Jai-Singh'', founded
in 1680. Upon the fist roof are peveral
charts of the heavens on stone, ard a mural
quadrant for taking the son’s altitude. In
old tines a posse of astrologers was maintained
here to observe and record the motion
of the sun, moon and planets.

From here we drove to the ''Great Mosque''
''of Aurremzebe'' of ''Vishnu'', which he demolished,
to signalize the triumph of Islam over
Brahminism. The foundation is eighty feet
above the river, upon which is built the
mosque, with high arched dome and two
slender minare, each one hundred and forty-seven
feet in height. Their diameter at the
base is only eight and one-fourth feet, de-
creasing to seven and one-half feet at the
top. Though so tall and slender they have
an interior staircase of one hundred and
thirty steps. Our ascent was not devoid of
risk, for each is said to lean fifteen inches
from the perpendicular. But the river from
the summit was superb, and well repaid the
trouble and fatigue of the climb. At our
feet, for miles around, was stretched the
crowded city, with its gaudily-painted buildings
heaped together in tangled confusion,
while the streets were so narrow and
crooked as hardly to be distinguished in the
mess.

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within a high enclosure—the family perhaps
of some wealthy native. Although
women of the common class can be seen
anywhere in the street, all ladies of high
rank are kept in the strictest seclusion.
These were richly dressed and seemed quite
pretty; but perhaps it was the &quot;distance
that lent enchantment to the view.” While
I was watching them through my opera-glass
they caught sight of me, and looked
up through their {{SIC|hand|hands}} in imitation of my
glass, with a curiosity greater perhaps than
my own—or I presume they had never before
seen the face of a Frank. But suddenly
an old grey-headed fellow (he might be husband
or father) appeared on the scene,
glanced up at me, and drove the ladies, with
threatening gestures, into the house. I
hope my innocent curiosity was not the
cause of trouble in the family. Descending
from our lofty view-point to the busy hive
below we slowly threaded our way out of
the labyrinth to the wider street, where
our gharry was waiting, stopping at a toy-shop
to buy some curiously painted and varnished
toys which are a specialty of Benares
manufacture, the peculiarity of which
is that the bright-colored pigment is not removable
by use.

Later in the day, under the guidance of
“Shiva Dotta,’” I went to visit the famous
“Golden Pagoda,” dedicated to the god
Shiva. It is situated in the most crowded
part of the city and only accessible on foot.
From the roof rise three irregular spires
and domes, covered with sheet copper gilt,
presenting the appearence in the sun of
glittering masses of burnished gold. The
throng around the temple was so dense that
it was only after a fearful amount of pushing
and crowding through an excited throng
of both sexes and all ages that we could
penetrate the vestibule. The “holy of
holies” none were permitted to enter but
the priests and privileged worshippers.
Around us in the doorway was a frantic
crowd shouting, streaming and howling in
their eagerness to gaina sight of the holy
chamber. Not being permitted to advance,
the pushing and crowding behind us of
{{SIC|hese|these}}, who seemed frantic with religious
frenzy, nearly took us off our feet. Within
the sacred inclosure before the ''lingam'', or
emblem of worship, was a marble basin into
which the priests were throwing yellow
flowers, and those permitted to enter were
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After dipping the flowers, which
seemed to me like yellow marigolds, into the
fountain the priests threw them through the
doorway to the people, who scrambled after
them most frantically, believing that they
possessed some marvelous charm. A fat,
oily-looking Brahmin waddled to the door
and threw round my neck a strirg of flow
ets, at the same time holding out his hand
for ''bucksheesh''. The crowd behind scowled
at my good luck, and my guide drew me
away, for no one could tell what the {{SIC|zeal|zeal of}}
these deluded fanatics would lead them to
do to an unbeliever. Ten years ago my life
would not have been worth a minute’s purchase
in such a place. I bestowed my string
of marigolds upon some one who could appreciate
their value, and we elbowed our
way into the comparatively fresh air of the
street, haying seen enough of {{SIC|Hindoo|Hindu}} idolatry.

Ou our way back to the “Victoria,” we
passed hundreds of shops devoted to the
manufacture of brass and copper idols of
Vishnu, Shiva and Buddha. In other shops
where no manufacturing was going on I
saw large quantities of hideous little idols
made of iron and covered with gilt lacquer,
which my guide assured me were made in
Birmingham. Verily, not India alone, but
Christian England also, is somewhat given
up to I-dollar-try.
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large stone mausoleums, surmounted by
marble domes, from the roof of which is a
splendid view of the city and surrounding
country.

The dining room at the Allahabad Hotel
is very lofty and opens with large doors to
the surrounding gardens. At breakfast
this morning I heard ths twittering of sparrows,
and was surprised to see them flying
all about the room, so tame as to pick
crumbs from the hands of the guests at the
table. Everywhere in India I have {{SIC|remarked|remarked at}}
the abundance and tameness of the birds.
It is part of the religion of a Hindoo never
to kill a living being when avoidable. This
is carried almost too far, when applied to
wild beasts and noxious vermin, but it softens
their treatment of animals, and is one
ennobling feature in their system of idolatry
and superstition, which might well be imitated
by Christians,

Another hundred miles to the north and
we reach Cawnpore, ever memorable as the
scene of the most barbarous act of the mutiny
of 1857. It is situated on the right
bank of the Ganges, and was once a place of
considerable importance and busy traffic.
It is now a large military station, with long
ranges of barracka and store-houses, and
usually several regiments of troops are stationed
here. I presume the sad story of
the massacre of nearly three hundred women
and children, and the casting of their
bodies into a well, by order of the infamous
Nana Sahib, is familiar fo most of my readers.

The sudden breaking out of the mutiny
and revolt of the Sepoy soldiers in May,
1857, found the government quite unprepared
for such an emergency. At that time
there were no railways or telegraphs in
India, and these distant stations were completely
isolated. The rebellion broke out
simultaneously at several points and spread
like wild-fire; and in a few weeks the whole
northwestern provinces were in the posession
of the rebels. The East india Company
had an army of about two hundred thousand
men, of whom only thirty thousand were
English, and these were scattered in small
detachments over an immense territory.
The native troops were officered by Europeans,
most of whom were instantly dispatched
by the mutineers, and their places
supplied by natives, who displayed considerable
military ability during the struggle
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given on either side. The Sepoys were
well drilled and disciplined soldiers, and
amply provided with cannon, arms and munitions
of war.

Only a portion of the native troops revolted,
and in several provinces the judicious
management and prompt action of the
civil and military authorities kept them
faithful to the English, with whom
they united in putting down the
rebels. Had the disaffection been general,
and any unity of action existed among the
rebels, every vestige of British rule would
heve been swept from India.

The immediate pretext of the mutiny
was the use of cartridges greneed with lard,
which the Sepoys were compelled to bite
off. To touch “the {{SIC|onclean|unclean}} animal” was to
them a defilement against which their religion
revolted. Fortunately, though both
{{SIC|Musselmen|Muslims}} and Hindoos united in hating
their foreign rulers, they bore no affection
for each other. The former numbered but
one in twelve of the native population, and
are high-spirited and brave. Their ancestors
had overrun India and tiled the country
for five hundred years before the English
acquired possession. The Kings of
Delhi and Oude, with many less powerful
Rajahs, still retained their titles, but were
only nominan or titular princes, keeping up
the semblance of royalty, but in fact stipendiaries,
supported by the allowances made
to them by their English masters. Jealousy
between {{SIC|Mohamedans|Muslims}} and Hindoos
created a division in their counsels, and
made the suppression of the reballion comparatively
easy.

But it was a narrow escape, and the English
learned a lesson, costing them dearly
in blood and treasure, which resulted in a
more humane and less oppressive system of
government, under which the couutry is
now more prosperous than ever before.

The rebellion broke out in the spring,
and during the awfully hot summer that followed
it was very difficult for the Euglish
soldiers, sent out to India from home, to relieve
the few isolated forts that held out
against the insurgents, in which were
crowded all the English residents with
their wives and children. The whole country
from Delhi to Calcutta, more than
twelve hundred miles in extent, was in the
hands of the rebels; and in Delhi, the ancient
capital, a descendant of the Moguls
was proclaimed Emperor of India. Here in&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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by Nana Sahib, besieged the handful
of British troops and half caste residents,
and forced them at last to surrender, with
the promise of being permitted to embark
on the river. But before they could leave
the shore fire was opened upon them, snd
only two escaped alive. In another part of
the town, where several hundred invalid
soldiers and women and children were collected,
all were slaughtered, and their
bodies, yet warm, thrown into an old well.

My first visit in Cawnpore was to this
spot, where now on a raised mound is a
beautiful memorial, erected over the well.
It consists of a high stone platform, on
which stands a marble statue of a female
with wings, designed by Baron Marochetti.
This is surrounded by a stone gothic screen
of beautiful design and workmanship. Near
by are the tombs of those who fell at Cawnpore
during the mutiny. There are many
nameless, grass-grown mounds, among
which are shrubs and flowers. The keeper
of the place pointed out some patches of
ground where the grass but feebly sprouted,
and which resembled the &quot;fairy rings” one
sometimes sees in country places, and said,
“These are the places where the little children
are buried, the grass won’t grow here
if I water ever so much. It seems to me
as if the curse of God is on the spot, and on
the men who committed the horrible deed.”
A large tract of ground neatly laid out and
beautifully kept, called the ''Memorial Garden'',
surrounds the spot, and no native is
allowed under any consideration to enter
the enclosure.

From Cawnpore there is a branch road,
forty-two miles to Lucknow, the capital
of Oude, which contains a population of over
300,000 people. It is a purely oriental city
of great extent and very picturesque appearance.
More properly than any other
place in India it is entitled to the name of
the “City of Palaces&quot;.

Approaching the city from the railway
station, a mile distant, the picture was like
a dream of fairy land. Majestic buildings,
apparently of white marble, crowned with
domes of burnished gold, scores of pinnacles
and minarets, many of them very high
and graceful, spacious grounds filled with
choice shrubbery and flowers, made the
first impression very gratifying. But a
nearer view destroyed much of the illusion.
What at a distance seemed the purest marble
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Feb. 20, 1864.]

There is not a man with whom you
whose name is not familiar to

pay you.

are acquainted

ailments are at his
he had a good memory, a
and orthography, he might
write romances that would pale the star of the
His
author of &quot; La Femme de Trente Ana,&quot;
malicious rye marks who comes when Mon-

All your

him.

little

If
fingers' ends.
fair notion of style

lieuT is out
He knows when to put a pecuniary expression into his slavish countenance.
.Monsieur de Vandenesse is understood by the
concierge when the Marquis is all confidence.

The Marquise d'Aiglemont could not have dethe vengeance of the

fied

man

in the little

dark room, by the gateway of her hotel.
Irresits in his sombre little

proachable himself, he
cabin
as judge in a

—

court of justice.

He

knows that those scandalous romancists of the
about him.
but he smiles, and
counts his hundred-sous pieces, and as he drops
them in the leather bag, he grins thinking of
the time when some of these gentlemen will be
ay, possibly lapping the
lying in the hospital
soup of Bicetre and he will be rentier, and
will follow his daughter to the Bois de Boulogne in her wedding dress, having given her
a pretty dot.
He has bought Rentes already
trust him.
His five-franc pieces were at the
disposition of his country during the Crimean
war
and the people laughed to see him
Boulevards write

They

call

severe

him mouchard

things

;

—

—

;

—

;

The placement was highly
counting them out.
advantageous, it is true but, he trusted, people
would give him a little credit for patriotism.
His prying habits apart, the concierge is
what we call a respectable man. He is always
;

hundred

235

domestic quarrels, executions, ruin,
extraordinary strokes of luck, love, jealousy,
!
by that little square window
of hi-.
How often has he helped to hang the
black cloth
gateway and to arrange
the tapers round the coffin in the passage,
;

;

within view of the people in the street, that
these might enter and sprinkle holy water on
the dead
I remember one frosty December
!

(some ten years have flown since
then) I was the proud inhabitant of rooms on
the first floor of a student's hotel, in the Rue

morning

des Quatres Vents.
Those four winds blew no
Fate had hit a knock
good to anybody.
blow at every inhabitant of that street.
It
was the street of the great Paris family of the
Empty Pockets. The morning was icy, and a
keen wind blew through the long dusty passage
that led to the street.
I had a word to say
man and wife. They had
to the concierges
made mistakes with my letters, and had given

—

some of my newspapers to the second floor.
As I passed hurriedly into the stifling little
place where the concierge and his w ife were
T

rubbing their lean knees over a stifling little
stove ; I almost fell over a long box (very like

an orange box), that was propped on end as a
ladder, or a plank of timber, against the walk
I made my complaint, and was met with
that crushing and unanswerable humility for
which my Quatre- Vents concierges were remarkable.
Poverty is, to most people, a break in

the encampment that lets in a pack of wolves
upon them. To my humble concierges it was

impenetrable armour.

at his post.
He is bountifully civil. He is
ever faithful to his trust.
You will not often

&quot; We are so
poor, you see, sir,&quot; said they,
&quot; Wo are
whenever I opened a complaint.
Imbut we are poor people.&quot;
very sorry

see a concierge before the Correctional Police.
The extent of his dissipation is an occasional

possible to be angry with people who clasped
On that December morning I had
your knees.

coup at the nearest wine skop, with a neighOn fine evenings he sits under the
gat-way, with his wife and her friend, lazily
In the winter he is
watching the passers-by,
shut, with his wife and the friend (a neighbouring cook or housemaid), in his steamy den.

determined to be firm.
&quot; This is unendurable

bour.

It is gloomily lighted by an oil lamp, with a
On a shelf, by the table,
green shade over it.
lie the letters of the lodgers.
Against the wall
are rows of keys, which open the various apart-

ments of the house.

The den is packed with
every kind of bundle, domestic utensil, and
package and overhead is a bed, that is let
down on the floor, at night. The wife and her
friend knit and talk scandal
and the concierge, with the cordon at hand, reads the
evening paper, and gives forth the news when
he is in an amiable mood.
He is a philosopher,
whom nothing moves.
He has seen every
phase of life.
Weddings and funerals by the
;

;

—

;

&quot;

papers

!

Once more,

my

!

&quot; You must
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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{{welcome}} Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

{{sm|For some reason I removed it two months later, without having read any of it, and it was certainly one of the worst decisions I've made. Readding it now, it's long overdue as a useful reminder to myself to actually pay attention. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]]}}

== Italics ==

Please note that italics do not carry across line breaks. You either have to stop and restart on the next line. or (better) remove the line breaks.

Regards -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 16:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

:Yes, sorry, I know, it's just that it took me a little while to realize and that when, then, I tried to go back and correct myself, I missed a few. I'm pretty new at this and so I more or less learned by experience.
:˜˜˜˜ [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 17:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
::No problem. I think most of us have learned that way. I recently learned from [[Wikisource:Scriptorium#De-linting..]] that there is the page linked there which lists such errors. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

== Titles on subpages ==

Making [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Poems_%28Nora_May_French%29%2FThe_Outer_Gate&amp;diff=13735422&amp;oldid=13732512 this change] in the header of the subpages will turn '''[[Poems (Nora May French)]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' into the correct '''[[Poems (Nora May French)|Poems]]''' ''by [[Author:Nora May French|Nora May French]]'' [[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

:Ok! Sorry, I'll correct it. [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[User talk:Alien333#top|talk]]) 19:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

== Template:asc ==

You may find {{{tl|asc}} useful, especially for {{asc|A.M.}}, {{asc|B.C.}}, and roman numerals that are printed in capital small caps.  Yes, you could use {{tl|sc}} with lower-case letters, but typically books do not use lower-case letters for these things, and putting lower-case into the text with small-caps will not preserve the case when someone grabs the text using copy-paste, such as for a quote in a school paper or for quoting in a Wikipedia article or on Wikiquote.  The advantage of {{tl|asc}} is that you can write the text in the correct case and still get it to display in reduced capitals. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

:OK! [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] (&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 83%;{{#if:|{{{style}}};}}&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] and [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt;) 11:17, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

== [[Page:Poems Barrett.djvu/134]] ==

Check your module , &lt;code&gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;/code&gt; seems to misbehave , by throwing a supurious closing SPAN tag? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

:If you are talking about the nearly-empty poem, there was a cleaner way to do it (and I corrected it), but if it's not that I don't see what you mean about that closing SPAN. As far as I can see, it only adds a &lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;/span&gt; at the same time as adding a &lt;span&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 17:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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== Poetry collections ==

Thanks for completing so many small books of poetry by authors whose works we do not have, and which won't be found in most libraries.

Would you consider also doing ''Fiddler's Farewell'' (1926) by poet and violinist [[Author:Leonora Speyer|Leonora Speyer]]? {{ext scan link|1=https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b3407430&amp;view=page&amp;seq=9&amp;skin=2021}}  Her poetry won the Pulitzer in 1927, so it's a significant work, by a poet for whom we have no works at all. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 02:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:I could, but I'd need you to get it, as I'm not a member at Hathi and it'd be a bother to download each of the 136 pages manually.
:If you are more interested by the author than the specific collection, there are two scans of ''A canopic jar'' {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjar00spey/page/n5/mode/2up}} {{esl|https://archive.org/details/canopicjarby00speyrich/page/n3/mode/2up}} available on IA, which I prefer. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:: ''Fiddler's Farewell'' is the Pulitzer winning work, so it's the one I'm interested in, but I cannot grab Hathi downloads either. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?volume=27&amp;issue=4&amp;page=27 Poetry foundation] says it's available in the Poetry magazine, which to my surprise we do not have but that is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/journal/poetry on jstor], more specifically in [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/i20575348 the issue of Jan. 1926], and the poem itself, p201-205 is [https://www-jstor-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/stable/20575373 there], which according to jstor is in public domain as © 1926 Poetry Foundation. I'll get at it some time soon, probably after finishing [[Index:Poems Shipton.djvu]], but I think eventually I'll try to do the whole magazine. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: did she get the prize for the poem or the book? Because there appears to be a collection of the same name (136 vs. 5 pages), that is the one at Hathi, and the poem after which it appears to have been named, that is what I found. EDIT: after just looking on WP it appears to have been for the book. Once more unto the breach, then... — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 14:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::: *sigh* I've given up, looks like it's Hathi or nothing. I've started taking the pages. EDIT: on top of all the rest, the preview images are scaled down. Well, 700*1000 will have to be enough, and I'm not going to go 136 times through their download dialog — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Well, there it is: [[Index:Fiddler's Farewell.djvu]]. The PNGs were acceptable at best, all pdf mergers I found (the three that let me upload 136 pages) made it terrible, for some reason the OCR on djvu conversion appeared not to work, and it has two watermarks, but it's there. As I said, will get at it at some point during next week. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 15:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] It's done. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Transclusion in page order ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

As EncycloPetey said above, many thanks for completing so many poems. However, in the case of [[Poems (Baldwyn)]], I am inclined to believe the transclusion should be in page order, regardless of the ordering in the table of contents. I am in no way asking you to change it, although at some point, someone with greater concerns about the matter may add an (what I would consider &quot;loud&quot;) template on the main page indicating it doesn't conform to Wikisource standards, unless things have changed since the last time I recall this happening. At the very least, information for the future. As an aside, if you are interested in having some of your work validated, especially more famous works (like the Fiddler's Farewell) mentioned above, we would be happy to have it included in the Monthly Challenge, if you are okay with that. Up to you though.

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fiddler's Farewell is more or less an exception and at request, most of the time I just do random books called Poems. Feel free to include anything you want. I have collections from ~20 content pages to &gt;400, so there's probably something of the right size.
:On TOC's, I've already encountered the same problem with [[Poems (Cromwell)]], so if correction there is it would have to be done there too. I made that decision on the basis that it would be awkward to not be able to navigate in the sense of the TOC (and maybe also out of laziness of having to scroll through the TOC to find the right capitalization of the titles). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
::Given how far you have already progressed with Fiddler's Farewell, I might just leave it as is. You are ever so efficient with the use of those ppoem templates.
::I suspect that the previous/next sections of the header were to imply flipping forward and backward through the actual pages of the text (just like a real book!), but in terms of sensible, I don't see a great deal of difference. I guess just consider this a heads up then, unless someone else has graver concerns. Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 23:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::We'll probably be able to include Fiddler's Farewell quite soon.
:::(Honestly, regarding ppoem, most of the work of figuring when to put what end/start is done by [[User:Alien333/poemise.js|a script of mine]] nowadays, alongside with indenting.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:::It's done, so you can include it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 10:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Disambiguation pages ==

Hi, I noticed that you've added new works to various disambiguation pages (not everyone does). The convention adopted with these appears to be:— 
# the list is alphabetised by author surname;
# if there's more than one work of the same name by an author (usually poems), the first line is quoted; and
# parts of books (e.g. a short story or essay, or individual poems) are given in double quotes, titles of whole works are in italics.
[[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 07:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:Well, ok, by coincidence I've just made [[WS:S#Disambiguation styling|a post]] to ask for the conventions, and possibly officialize it, as everyone does not appear to be aware of there conventions, for example titles are often left plain. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
::I made these up for myself as I went along based on what appeared to be most common practice, and most helpful. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 08:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

== [[Poems (Smith)]] ==

Hi, I noticed that you've used &lt;nowiki&gt;{{AuxTOC}}&lt;/nowiki&gt; to create a table of contents for this work when it has one of its own (albeit in a different format to most books). I've just done one ([[The Canary]]) which has a (mostly) alphabetised ToC based on first lines rather than titles. For some reason the 'O' section is in reverse alphabetical order. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 17:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

:Up to a week ago (such as for [[Poems (Cromwell)]] and [[Poems (Baldwyn)]]), I'd used the original TOC in these cases when the TOC is not in order of apparition, until I was [[#Transclusion in page order|asked about a week ago]] by @[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] to transclude instead in order of apparition, so I also put a second TOC that would match the order of transclusion because it would be awkward to navigate in a totally unrelated order. Usually, I also leave the original TOC after, with the links (like in [[Poems (Hazlett-Bevis)]]) but the one in [[Poems (Smith)]] was incomplete (did not show poems of the same name, only the first one) so I delinked it. What do you think I should do? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Alien333|Alien333]] Sorry if I caused confusion. I was not suggesting to modify the TOC in any way. All I meant was that all the previous/next links for each poem should follow in page order. That aside, what do you mean by &quot;(did not show poems of the same name, only the first one)&quot;? The table of contents seems to have many (if not all) of the poems in Poems (Smith), although I have not checked every one, to see if it is incomplete. However, if a table of contents is missing an entry, you can add an auxiliary line(s) to the original TOC (e.g.~[[Page:Eliot - Middlemarch, vol. I, 1871.djvu/9]]). Hope that helps, and thanks again for all your poetry efforts, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 21:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
:::There were entries like &quot;To Willie&quot;, of which there are two ([[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life abound)]] and [[Poems (Smith)/To Willie (Willie, may thy life be pure)]]), but the original TOC listed only one. Same for other poems that shared a title. Led to redlinks in the toc when @[[User:Duckmather|Duckmather]] linked it. Thanks for reminding me of the aux-toc lines, I'd forgotten they existed.
:::If pages should always be transcluded in order of apparition, when the TOC is not in that order, a secondary, auxiliary TOC is I think useful for navigation. At any rate, it is for proofreading, because often in poetry titles on the pages of these poems are in all-caps, and the correct capitalization is only present in the TOC. This makes it for most poetry collections a headache to transclude without a TOC in order of apparition to find what is the exact name of the following/preceding poem.
:::Imagine someone wanted to read one of these collections. They could either a) fish for the smallest page number in the TOC, assuming it's correct, and take the &quot;next&quot; links, or b) start from another one, maybe the first in the TOC, and then land at some random point in the collection and then have to go through the &quot;next&quot; links ''and'' the &quot;previous&quot; links if they want to read the whole of it. Same goes if they were interrupted and want to re-start reading at a specific point in the book.
:::This inconvenience exists specifically and only when the order of tranclusion is different from the order of the TOC. That was why first I always transcluded in the order of the TOC, and after learning that transclusion has to be in page order, I add a second TOC that matches the order of transclusion to ease navigation. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

== sib links ==

As long as the target subpage and target display name are the same, you can use [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=The_Old_Road_to_Paradise%2FThe_Old_Kings&amp;diff=14213605&amp;oldid=14213523 this syntax], which is just as compact as the template but without requiring a template. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 21:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

:Fair enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

== Hello, new reader here... ==

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/User_talk:Alien333#/editor/0 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free to ask if you have any questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Merci beaucoup!
::( High school French... from 40 years ago!)
::🙏👩‍🎨🇲🇫💜 [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 10:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:oh I am fumbling. I wrote a bunch of information to you and then thought it might be in the incorrect place so I copied the message to my clipboard and just tried to send that text to you.
:I can't seem to recover it now so I'll attempt to rewrite what I contacted you about.
:Serendipitously, i crossed your path by researching wireframes on wiki as i am intrigued with learning to write code... but this was my first trip down the &quot;rabbit hole&quot;
:I am a poetry enthusiast, also and while wandering around your contributed content appreciated your knowledge. 
:Also, Alien333 resonates with me for a variety of reasons..and it happened to be your username, which was my first encounter here. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::What you sent was only the link to editing this page.
::I left the usual welcome message on your page, it's useful.
::If you are interested in poetry, I also suggest you take a look at [[Template:Ppoem]], that is as of now more or less the best alternative for formatting poetry.
::If you want to get started, here's an poetry index, picked at random: [[Index:The Poems of John Donne - 1896 - Volume 1.djvu]].
::Of course, feel free to do whatever you prefer.
::If you can specify what sort of books you want to do, I might be able to fish a file in the Internet Archive.
::Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh my! Much appreciated that you responded so considerately! I didnt expect it and you have launched my enthusiasm to pursue this endeavor! I will pick this up upon waking as soon i will be going to sleep, but certainly hope to be in touch with you more if you will find it comfortable and worthwhile to mentor me for a bit! 
:::My favorite poet is Walt Whitman...if I must choose from many I love.
:::My gratitude to you ! 
:::ImaginarySusan! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Here's one of Whitman's collections for you: [[Index:Drum-Taps.djvu]].
::::(I myself only went down the rabbit hole a few months ago). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::oh thankyou! I will check that out before sleep... and yes, I notic3d your 1 yr. anniversary on wiki was just two weeks ago! 
:::::My how far you've come! What an inspiration! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::damn auto correct! 
:::Im obviously not proofreading my messages to you...
:::..as &quot; spell check overnights&quot; was supposed to be oversights*!
:::Lol. [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, and also: you might want to create [[User:ImaginarySusan|your user page]], with a bit of information about yourself.
::User pages are also often used to keep things (such as links) close at hand, since you can go to your user page from anywhere. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yet another reply: I recommend you read [[Help:Proofread]].
::I'm assuming you want to contribute, of you don't that's fine and then [[Help:Reading]] would probably be more appropriate. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::oh yes I will read everything you suggested. It may take me some time..lol
:::&quot;Back in the day&quot; i started my graphic communication career in typesetting, copywriting and the REAL old fashioned skill of original proofreading! I was very good...and to this day I don't casually read a thing without noticing typos, grammatical errors, and spell check overnights! (Notice the Oxford comma!) Lol.
:::I am in the NW Pennsylvania area of the US..and an artist, writer and night owl... I see you are in UK?
:::The morning bird songs are beginning here, as it is almost dawn. I will let you know once I've started reading, and if i get stuck understanding anything.
:::My best to you! [[User:ImaginarySusan|ImaginarySusan]] ([[User talk:ImaginarySusan|talk]]) 09:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::No, I'm not in the UK, I'm French, so my english is always going to be somewhere between british and american english. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 09:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Eggless recipe book for cakes . . .Index ==

I wondered the same thing.  I suspect it's something in the scan file causing the issue. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:Said it in an edit summary for a near-null edit, it's the table { width: 100%; } in the index CSS that naturally causes the info to expand to fill the whole width, as it's a table, and then it's wrapped and it ends up under the image. If we'd put something like td { background-color:red; }, it would also have applied. I would call index CSS applying to default mediawiki layout a problem, but we do need it to apply to pages transcluded, e. g. for the TOC. Maybe we should open a ticket about this. Left a comment at [[WS:S#Index CSS applying to mediawiki layout]] to see if others might know a bit more about that — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 06:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

== Baltimore ==

Yes, for clarity I DO in fact own the city of Baltimore!!! [[Special:Contributions/50.75.166.42|50.75.166.42]] 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

:Oh stop it, will you? (WP vandal coming over here) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

== Rossetti. Poems ==

We may need a versions page for this.  The original was published in 1890, but there was an expanded 1891 edition.  I do not know yet whether the 1901 edition that you are editing follows the 1890 or the 1891, or is further expanded. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

:Do we have the other editions, to check the difference?
:If it helps, the 1901 one says &quot;new and enlarged&quot; and &quot;First complete edition printed November 1890, Reprinted December 1890, January 1891, August 1891, 1892, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1899, 1901&quot;. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:From a quick look at the TOCs of [https://archive.org/details/pogeo00ross/page/n3/mode/2up the 1890 one] and [https://archive.org/details/poems0000ross/page/n19/mode/2up the 1891 one], they all look the same.
:The 1890 edition was in itself already marked &quot;new and enlarged&quot;, so I think all three are of (nearly) the same text, already expanded from some earlier collection of poems, maybe [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross6/page/n11/mode/2up this 1866 one], [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross7/page/n11/mode/2up this 1872 one], or [https://archive.org/details/poems00ross5/page/n13/mode/2up that 1888 one]. More likely, each edition expanded from the last one, since they all share the same beginning and some poems are added progressively at the end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 20:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

== New texts ==

Indeed, [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AJack_Heaton%2C_Wireless_Operator_%28Collins%2C_1919%29.djvu%2F15&amp;diff=14289324&amp;oldid=14286562 the problem has been corrected now]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

:(Note: that was four hours before you reverted, I think it's just {{tl|spl}} that got you confused.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 18:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

== Poems, 1909-1925 ==

This collection of poetry by [[Author:T. S. Eliot|T. S. Eliot]] was first published in 1925; here is a link to the 1926 reprint on IA: {{esl|https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929}}.  The collection includes editions of some poems we already have, but also some that we do not.  It is about 100 pages. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

:Will do, after finishing [[Index:Poems Hornblower.djvu]]. I intent to overwrite [[Poems (Eliot)]] for this, as it's unsourced and its contents are included in this 1926 collection. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::That's a different collection, with completely different poems.  T. S. Eliot published a series of ''Poems'' books, starting with that one.  Subsequent volumes had a year range as part of the title, and the contents were different each time.  It would probably be better to turn that into a versions page as a result of the differences between the many editions. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 14:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The TOC of the 1926 book you pointed me to contains the subsection &quot;Poems (1920)&quot;, that contains exactly the same poems as the other one (compare [[Poems (Eliot)|this]] and [https://archive.org/details/bwb_KR-589-929/page/4/mode/2up that]). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 16:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Subsection, yes, but there are also ''additional'' poems not in the 1920 edition.  So the two editions are different from each other, yet both are titles ''Poems''.  And the 1932 edition contains further poems not in the 1920 or 1926 edition, and we will want to host the 1932 edition as well.  My point is that we will eventually have additional editions, and the page [[Poems (Eliot)]] is the logical place to disambiguate those editions.  So, rather than put the 1926 edition at that location, convert it to a disambiguation page listing the 1920 and 1926 editions, and providing us a place to also list the 1932 edition in future.  The alternative is to have to redo all of the internal and external links the next time an edition of his poetry is transcribed here. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::Ok then, I'll put it at [[Poems (Eliot, 1926)]]. Note: All of these editions will anyways (I think?) be listed at [[Poems]], so I don't know if it's worth putting a separate dab page at [[Poems (Eliot)]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}} (though I'm not sure the titles, quotations and poems are positioned the right way). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 13:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

== [[Template:Sandbox/PleaseDontDelete.css]] ==

I'm curious, if you move this page to your userspace, does it keep the &quot;sanitized CSS&quot; content model, or automatically switch to unsanitized CSS? It does the former for me, but since I'm an admin, I have the ability to change a page's content model, so it occurs to me that you might see different behavior. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yep, that works, it has the right content model. Thanks! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
::Glad I could help! As you can see from the deletion log for [[Template:Sandbox/styles.css]], this is a useful (if slightly silly) trick. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 20:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
:::I'd seen it already, but I'd thought it was just for testing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 05:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

== Poems (Shore) ==

Hi, You might want to take a closer look at the transclusion of the works in Part III. There seem to be bad interactions between 'ppoem' (where used) and your personalised version of it. Also between the 'pseudoheading' templates and normal ones (e.g. small caps). It looks like you probably need to use entirely one or the other, not mix and match. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:My template only spits out a ppoem with some lines that have an additional styling, it's completely compatible as I've seen in my 78 other books where I've used it. I already saw and fixed an issue like that yesterday at [[Poems (Shore)/Olga]], it's just caused by a mismatch of ppoem start/end across a page break, namely stanza/follow. It only happened in part III, because that's where the longest poems are, so more chances to mess up start/end's. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::All fixed now. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are places where lines starting with a character name (formatted using 'small caps') are right aligned, not left, and instances where the character name formatted with 'pseudoheading' are overwritten by the following text (i.e. the following text seems to be left aligned). [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 21:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I've fixed already, it's caused by a lint error with an unclosed div. Did I miss some? — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) EDIT: I've re-read all of part III, and I still haven't found any left. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Belgic Confession ==

This is a complete work.  The volume it was transcribed from contains a set of documents pertaining to the Reformed Dutch Church in America.  This will need to be moved to be part of the containing volume, and that will take some investigation to be sure everything is organized correctly.  I am working on that, but am also plagued by computer issues today, which is hampering my progress. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, I realized after reverting, sorry. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 07:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

== TIF files from TE(æ)A,ea. ==

As a heads up, TE(æ)A,ea. does book scans, and the TIFs are raw page scans, uploaded here so that the files can be grabbed, cropped, processed, and the resulting images then uploaded here or at Commons.  In general, raw scans that are TIF format are not suitable for use as is, but are uploaded here temporarily. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

'''Addendum:''' And sometimes the images need to be researched separately.  So, for example, ''The Vampire'' by Summers is in PD in both the US and UK, but some of the illustrations are not.  The frontispiece is a painting by a Hungarian artist who died in 1961, so his paintings are not yet hosted at Commons, because ''they'' are still protected in the EU by copyright.  Illustrations that are works of art and photos of that art, can have licensing that differs from the book in which the illustrations appear. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks for the explanation! — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ([[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]] &amp;amp; [[User_talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]) 19:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

== Frances Ellen Watkins Harper ==

We have [[Index:Poems (IA poems00harp).pdf]] that has not been started, but seems well within your personal sphere of activity.  She is severely underrepresented on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)E

:I originally intended to stop at a 100 of them and then go transcribe something else, I've already done 90 (91 counting T. S. Eliot, but I usually do women authors for the gender gap, so that one is a bit apart) and I have ten more in stock, but I'm continuously finding new ones I want to do. Will do, thanks for the suggestion. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]]: {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 22:33, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

== QuickTranscribe and other proofreading software ==

Sorry for the late reply, MediaWiki doesn't seem to have a very robust way to mark messages unread. Well, it turns out the document you found, [[User:SnowyCinema/QT.py]], was a place I jotted ideas down for the project a long time ago, a document I completely forgot about and doesn't have any relevance to the code right now.

I point you to [[User:SnowyCinema/QuickTranscribe]], the main project page, if you're interested in details. It's not completely up to date, and there are a few more features not mentioned there. I even was toying with poetry collections and anthologies very recently with QT ([[Fox Footprints]], poetry; [[Lords of the Housetops]], anthology).

I am extremely impressed by your work here with poems and your ability to just churn these out! I would love to collaborate with you. I'll work to get my code documented and cleaned up for you soon, and also would love to have a lot of this work we both did centralized in one place, like a frontend application. I'm getting to a point where I think I'm ready to come back to the project, so I appreciate you for giving me some motivation also!

We'll be in touch about teaming up in our vision to populate Wikisource ridiculously quickly! :) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 03:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

:On poetry, taking a look at [[Page:Fox Footprints (1923).pdf/58]], I noticed there seems to be an issue with styling (assuming it's generated auto), as it really doesn't match the scan ({{tooltip|details|titles shouldn't be centered, have a different font size, should not have bottom margin, and should in fact be in the poem (as a separate stanza as that's the way to give it the same alignment as the text, and here it's exactly the same size of break), the text should not be smaller, or have margins}}).
:On my churning them: very much related a) to my efforts to get good OCR before starting, I feel like proofreading time is directly proportional to OCR quality and b) to my scripts and {{tl|tpp}}.
:On QT (I don't even know how I found that page (: ), a wild thought, as I haven't even read the codebase (I intend to do so soon), but maybe I could lend a hand? I consider myself a decent Python and JS programmer, for the better or for the worse. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 18:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Your feedback on the CSS work in that collection is valid. You'll probably notice my styling is usually not exactly perfect to the original because for one I'm no CSS guru, and for two I focus on getting work out faster, with a focus on content over exact styling because this proofreading work is already horribly time-consuming as is, even with these &quot;extra tools&quot; I created, let alone without them. But, I try to keep everything in CSS classes so they can more easily be changed if needed. I know &quot;the rules say&quot; you have to get it perfect, but I hope you understand why I make this &quot;is it readable vs. does it look perfect&quot; compromise. Proofreading a novel and a film a day or whatever, with a few extra hours of admin maintenance and QT coding etc. sprinkled in, was completely consuming my entire life as it was.
:: (That's ''&lt;u&gt;not whatsoever an exaggeration&lt;/u&gt;'' by the way—Wikisource was a serious personal addiction issue if I may open up a bit. I was having trouble ''living''. I'm wagering I'm balanced and stable enough to be able to continue this by now, however.)
:: ANYWAY, yes, going to do some work on documentation at the very least. I want to make this a collaborateable project. The one thing I will say is that the code I have is intrinsically not fully automatic. There are always edge-cases every couple of works that require some manual intervention, but overall it makes a whole bunch of the process much smoother. So when a frontend or more UX-friendly build is made, we can design it so manual intervention is easy. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::: (I'll probably improve poem code so that it takes all poem pages in larger blocks so modification is easier. I designed it with defaults that are generally correct to early 20th century styling.) [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
::::To be fair to you, in my 91 collections, I've only seen the same type of styling ''[[Poems (Hoffman)|once]]'' (and yet, that didn't have {{tl|sc}} on first words). — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:49, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:::{{smaller|Totally agree on the time-consumption side, but eh, what am I going to do with my life instead? Some occasional drama/wikistress/mistakes makes me step back enough so that it doesn't eat up the ''whole'' of my life (and the rest is devoted to programming anyways, so...)}}
:::On styling, I get your point, and I also like keeping things in stylesheets, but to me that's exactly the point of them, that it takes what, a few minutes, to look at the file and set up the styles? It's not like other stuff like header &amp; footers, . . . vs {{tl|...}}, which are more minor and time-consuming (I still do them, but I haven't yet gone fully &quot;speed first&quot;). It happens to everyone to have not exactly the same styling (primarily because publishers [[Page:Poems Holley.djvu/21|are apparently puzzle maniacs]]), but I think stylesheets are rare enough (once a work) and small enough (usually only 2-4 rules, at least for me) to be worth doing manually. — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 19:47, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|SnowyCinema}} what I meant with the placement &amp; margins etc of the title is that instead of doing
&lt;pre&gt;{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}&lt;/pre&gt;
{{cblock|TITLE
{{dhr}}
{{ppoem|
text
of
the poem}}}}
you can just do 
&lt;pre&gt;{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}&lt;/pre&gt;
which gives basically the same result, sparing a template (the break is slightly smaller, but in my experience most of the time it's the right one).
{{ppoem|TITLE

text
of
the poem}}
— [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 21:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

== 43000th edit! ==

Just in case you didn't know, as of me typing this you are on 42,999 edits. So next one shall be 43,000th. Congrats. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 05:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks. (Looked at my ec after seeing my name in that banner thing, I suppose?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien333]] ( &lt;span style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:75%;font-size:75%;position:relative;top:.3em&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/Alien333|what I did]]&lt;br/&gt;[[User talk:Alien333|why I did it wrong]]&lt;/span&gt; ) 08:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|ExclusiveEditor]] ([[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

== Poetry collection requests ==

Would it be too forward of me to give you requests for certain poetry collections I find here or there? I think you're quite well suited to transcribe these. They're annoying for me and I'm not too interested in verse honestly, but lots of disambiguation pages need blue links. Is a requests page in your user space warranted, that I can add requests to? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 22:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Will do whatever's given to me, as long as it's not old enough to have ſ.
:(It's incredible how far specialization can go, now I can do most of the poem formatting on a page by typing four characters and pressing one shortcut.)
:As to where, you can just drop them here, I don't mind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Alright, I'll put some here for now.
:* ''[[War Drums (Scharkie)|War Drums]]'' (1899), a poetry collection by [[Author:Louis Edward Scharkie|Louis Edward Scharkie]] {{esl|1=https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100516964}}. He was Australian and this is almost certainly his Findagrave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/159763780/louis-edward-scharkie - for the disambiguation page [[War Drums]]
:* ''[[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems]]'' (1884) by [[Author:Castello Newton Holford|Castello Newton Holford]] {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/cofachiquiotherp00holf}} - just for his author page
:* ''[[Pebbles and Shells (Hawkes collection)|Pebbles and Shells]]'' (1895), by [[Author:Clarence Hawkes|Clarence Hawkes]], a bit on the longer side... {{esl|1=https://archive.org/details/pebblesshellsver00hawk}}
:: This is something to start off with. I would highly recommend a request subpage, because I'll find myself throwing a ton here (if you want). [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 13:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:::There it is, if you really want it: [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]].
:::Also, a side note, though I won't die on these hills: I tend to prefer works
:::* without watermarks, because those are always a bore
:::* that don't have already-uploaded scans (to be able to redo the OCR myself.)
:::* available somewhere else than at hathi's (I don't have membership and it's really a pain to get each page individually). (for ''War Drums'' I'm going to take {{esl|https://archive.org/details/wardrums00schagoog}}, at IA).
:::— [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: Yo, you're an absolute hero! Thanks! Seems like the guy died young, just after he got his first collection of verse out. This could've been one of the quintessential poets in Australia. Wonder what disease it was. Well, now his voice can be heard again!
: Hopefully also the NaN problem isn't causing you too much trouble. In an Index page, next to the transclusion status (&quot;Fully transcluded&quot;) there's a button that lets you check and see if all the pages are transcluded. This might help you find out if errors happen in transclusion in the future! Wow, great, clean, quick work, impressed as usual! [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 18:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::I did use the transclusion button, but it's not perfect and it counts &lt;pages&gt; tag errors as transclusions. (the NaN was caused by an OCR error, when I reused the page numbers in my code.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::{{sm|side note: I've been here for a year and a half, actively for a year, so sometimes I want to protest that I'm not that clueless, but I often discover things I should have known, the latest being that the &quot;Entered according to Act of Congress&quot;, &amp;c is actually copyright note, and not something added by the LOC.}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

: Would it be okay if you used title case for the poems of the works I request? It will make it easier for me to disambiguate. It's up to you—but it's my personal preference and I'm only requesting it. Some things can make the casing iffy, like for example the novel ''[[Resurrection Rock]]'' is listed in some places as &quot;Resurrection rock&quot; (in sentence case), which is an issue because the title of the novel (being &quot;Resurrectio Rock&quot;) is named after the title of the ''fictional'' rock in the novel which is itself a proper noun (&quot;Resurrection Rock&quot;).
: Similarly with [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant county]], it was named after a county in Wisconsin, which is (at least nowadays; I don't know if in 1884 this would have been valid) traditionally spelled &quot;Grant County&quot;. When I make the Wikisource portal for that Wisconsin county, it would be nice if the work titles I list there match the casing of the portal, being [[Portal:Grant County, Wisconsin]] (in the future). Do you mind if I move at least that one to [[Cofachiqui, and Other Poems/Grant County]]? [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 20:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::I generally stick to the case of the TOC, and when there is no TOC (or it's {{tl|asc}}), as poem titles (and running headers for that matter) are most of the time all-caps, I don't have a way to determine the original title, so I choose to not make assumptions because title case is not applied consistently across the centuries and all over the world.
::I make an exception for cases where I am ''sure'' that a word should be capitalized, mostly for proper nouns. Feel free to move Grant county, I wasn't aware of the custom of capitalising the word county in county names (not being american). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

== &quot;He didn't write one poem titled &quot;Pebbles and Shells&quot;, but fourteen (and not versions, all clearly distinct)&quot; ==

Lmao. This is what I'm here for. [[User:SnowyCinema|SnowyCinema]] ([[User talk:SnowyCinema|talk]]) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== Testing the DT API. ==

Testing the DT API. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

::Answering to myself (if it works)! — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:even that autoindents (moving up for testing, sorry of this pings). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
*Wow, with lists — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:hello — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:32, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
: if this works, it's going to be incredible. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

== Wikidata links ==

How are you figuring out which Portals need a link at Wikidata to Wikisource? I see you just linked seven of them. I had asked if someone could modify an existing bot to do just that. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 18:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:With the bit of code I linked to at [[WS:S#Qid]]. It is, in fact, a bot, these were only the test edits. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:And to answer your question about the logic, I explained it in detail at the BRFA, [[d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/333Bot|there]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
* Good stuff! It just found another 7. Does the bot check Category:Surnames for linking to Wikidata? The bot found individual news articles and portals, so far not surname categories. I only created the concept of surname categories a week or so ago, to link portals of people with the same surname. That way if you had two people with similar names, you could look at the category to work out who was the correct person. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
* Can you fix an error I made. Wikidata item Q7344166 links to an article instead of Portal:Robert Ensko. The error needs to be corrected at Wikidata, I corrected it at this end. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 14:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
*:(I wasn't aware of the ... circumstance you mentioned at Mike Peel's talk.
*:Now it makes more sense why you would ask for individual edits.
*:Sorry, but I feel uncomfortable making possibly controversial edits for another user.
*:This doesn't change anything as far as the bot is concerned, or sitelink corrections in general, as that is an uncontroversial task.)
*:Question: what is supposed to be the point of surname categories? (I don't know any of the wider context around that story.) From what I can see, they just duplicate d:Special:WhatLinksHere/[id of name page]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The surname categories let you look to see if a person has an entry under a variation of the name. Someone might be &quot;A.J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allan J. Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith I&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith, Sr.&quot; or &quot;Allen James Smith Sr.&quot;
*::(Oh, and I did do that edit.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 13:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Another question, related to your block, if you don't mind answering: people at WD consider that your creation of certain items was wrong (I don't know whether that was right or wrong and I have no intention to try and find out); couldn't you just comply, e.g. promise to not create any items that aren't immediately notable due to having a sitelink? Not being able to make any edits at WD, at all, is going to be a big obstacle to editing here (as most of our data is there, &amp;c). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
*We already have a process for nominating entries for deletion at Wikidata. That process was skirted, I complained and asked for 5 deleted items to be restored, created by a third party. This all started earlier as a harassment campaign when I reversed an edit by someone with admin rights, they then retaliated by nominating the previous 400 images I loaded for deletion at Commons. When that was reversed they posted a message at Wikidata that someone should do the same there. I was permabanned out-of-process by an editor who had just one month of experience. We already have a 10 year old objective rule at Wikidata that the entries should have a &quot;public and serious&quot; sources which I abide by. If I agree to follow these new, vague, and subjective rules, they will just continue to harass me. The guy that nominated the 400 images will just delete whatever I add and ask that I be banned again under the new vague rules. Unfortunately there are just two bureaucrats and no Arbcom committee at Wikidata. Several people wrote me saying they were afraid of getting banned too if they supported my side. It is also crazy that the guy who created the entries that I asked be restored is still active. The whole project suffers since I would spend 8 hours each Friday adding Library of Congress images and create Wikidata entries for the people in the images. Same for the two local historical societies I belong to. I would scan and add the images and create a Wikidata entry for them. See for example: [[d:Q116700477]] and [[d:Talk:Q106445178]], that chart took me three months of research scouring historical papers in the archive. I stopped all three projects, and even if unbanned, will not start up again. Finding where I left off will be too difficult. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
* Your bot would also be great at Wikiquote, there are also entries not linked to Wikidata. The problem there is that there is no backlink from Wikiquote to Wikidata for the bot to see. The site could also benefit from closer integration with Wikidata. I asked at [[Wikiquote:Wikiquote:Village_pump]] about adding the &quot;authority control&quot; and the &quot;sister projects&quot; template, but there are too few people contributing, no one responded. We could set up a test of the template with the backlink. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The advantage of these specific cases of the header |wikidata= parameter is that we can be certain that the item matches the author (or at least it isn't our responsibility but that of the editor who added the parameter). For bot-volume editing, if the bot is going to make some decisions, I want to be sure that the error rate will be low. I will probably add the surname cats sometime soon, because there it is still pretty clear (there likely won't be ''two'' &quot;instance of&quot; &quot;family name&quot; with the exact same item name). But for other pages, e.g. authors, I'm not that sure, cf [[Author:Elizabeth Gifford|Elizabeth Gifford]], there were [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=Elizabeth+Gifford&amp;title=Special:Search&amp;ns0=1&amp;ns120=1 plenty] of WD items called &quot;Elizabeth Gifford&quot;, but none the right one (born after, or died a while before, publication of work). If the bot went solely by item names, here it would have linked the author to one of the incorrect items. We can do a more complex algorithm, but it should be thought out carefully (the more steps there are, the greater the chance of error). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

== Interest in being an adminstrator? ==

Hi Alien333, is adminship something you would be interested in? If so, I'm prepared to nominate you. Take some time to think about it and read up what it entails. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 06:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

:I would be interested.
:I think the main uses I would make of a mop, would be:
:* The administrative backlog (e.g. edit requests tend to be dealt slowly, I'd keep an eye on that).
:* I have also some technical knowledge (HTML, CSS, JS, and Lua), so I could help with that sort of stuff.
:* (although minor) speedy delete myself the M2 pagemove redirects I leave behind instead of leaving more work to the admin team.
:I am unsure of whether I am ready for the job, though I guess that'll be the community's role to decide, for these reasons:
:# I find myself clueless more often than I would have liked.
:# I have the impression I sometimes have some trouble communicating with other users.
:# Something that I should disclose, in all fairness, is that in about nine months' time I will start something IRL which will reduce my leisure time, so I won't be as active as I am today, though I won't go inactive.
:On the other side, it could be said in my favor that:
:# In one year I couldn't know everything.
:# No one has ever mentioned that to me, so it's just an impression.
:# From reading around, admins have from time to time had periods of reduced activity and this was apparently not seen as too much of a problem.
:I'd like your opinion on these three (possible) issues, or any other you have noticed. If, taking all of that into account, you think me ready, then I accept. (And btw thanks for welcoming me back in June of last year.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::# Recognising that you're not sure is a strength in my view. Then asking before jumping into a solution is a pattern I see in you.
::# There are always some people with whom it is harder to communicate with—particularly as we're restricted to the written word.
::# Yes, there are times for all of us when RL gets in the way of doing what we really want to do. My own editing pattern has been very variable—partly depending on what works I'm focused on, but also what else is going on in my life. As long as the tools are being actively used and an admin is keeping up a minimum of 50 edits over 6 months, it's not a problem.
::I'll go and do the nomination now. It is customary for candidates to confirm their acceptance of a nomination. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

== HathiTrust scans ==

Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

At some point, I thought you had figured out a way to get Hathi scans, but then randomly passing by your Poetry Requests page, it seems I might have been mistaken. Thus, I have uploaded [[:File:From an Old Garden (Cloud).djvu]] and [[:File:Travelling Standing Still (Taggard).djvu]] to Commons. If you would prefer the pdfs instead (to redo the OCR in some other fashion), I can also upload those. (P.S. Congrats on your admin nomination above).

Regards,
[[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

:Well, until today, I hadn't. I hadn't tried, assuming that they'd somehow prevented just fetching the images (and I don't want to spend a single cent to fund and support these attempts to essentially paywall and privatise the public domain). But once you gave me the idea, I've been fiddling with it for a few hours and I managed to find a painless JS solution to do that (could also have clicked n times &quot;save image as&quot;, but very time-consuming). Maybe I should write it or mention it somewhere, others must have asked themselves the same question. (On the admin nomination, it was very unexpected. I feel like some were passed over, that arguably are more knowledgeable than me but were never nominated, but eh, it's not my business, maybe they have issues I'm not aware of or they don't want to be admins.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:(For curiosity's sake: How did you download it? With the images I got, the end result is about twice as large as the ones you uploaded. If you have the &quot;real&quot; file, it maybe means that the displayed images are stretched, in which case I should zoom less before fetching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Alien333|Alien333]],
::I downloaded them with institutional access, so no scripts necessary, just clicked download really (in pdf format). There only appear to be resolution options when downloading images, instead of a pdf, so maybe I should have done that and then converted to djvu. Not something I know a great deal about. If the OCR on my pdf to djvu downloads are still useful, feel free to ask for more in future, but if your JavaScript option is better, and simple enough, then maybe it is worth more of us using it (and describing somewhere).
::Regards, [[User:TeysaKarlov|TeysaKarlov]] ([[User talk:TeysaKarlov|talk]]) 19:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the offer, but as it stands I think I'll do it on my own. (The OCR I use ([https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF]) has the advantage of recognising emdashes as emdashes &amp; not hyphens. On the other hand, it only works for pdfs, but I haven't managed to get ocrodjvu working (python version issues).)
:::&lt;s&gt;After a more detailed analysis of image quality: I've thought a bit more about it and I can bring it to the point where it actually downloads the best images available. These are not the pdf, but the individual images (with the full-res option on). For scale, my sketchy way of fetching the display images is about twice as large as downloading the pdf, and downloading the images individually (which is a tedious process but can in fact be automated much easier) is about 4/3 larger than my sketchy way. So, in the end, automating it the &quot;right&quot; way would be better than institution access. Will do tomorrow, and possibly in the coming weeks discuss this at WS:S.&lt;/s&gt;
:::Well, jokes' on me: downloading the high-res images gives a result the same size as the institutional pdf, except it's more blurred (may or may not be due to making one more conversion (jpg → pdf &amp; pdf → djvu)). In the end, looks like the way I did it at first is better (I still have a suspicion of streched images, but that isn't much of a problem.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

== Easy LST ==

Hi, just letting you know that &quot;Easy LST&quot; is turned on by default for new users and most of our editors have no idea that there is an alternative. Personally, I think it should never have been implemented, but I was a lone voice at the time. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 07:24, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:I know it's default (as I arrived after it was set up, so at first I had it too. It got me very, very confused when I transcluded [[Anna Karenina (Dole)|my first work]], after which I just turned it off when I found out that was possible). 100% agree with you on it being a bad idea. 
:The main issues I can see with the current way are:
:a) new users tend to not know what it means, and think it just gives a limit that can both be used for start and end; so it's not easier to understand
:b) it requires putting ## ... ## twice for a single section break; the manual way does the same, but I'm saying that Easy LST doesn't help type much less either
:c) users even have to type ''more'' in cases where the begin is not right after the end (e.g. there's a separator that shouldn't be transcluded in either)
:However, I get where it's coming from, as typing the &amp;lt;section ...=&quot;...&quot;/&amp;gt; can  be bothersome. I think there is probably something better to be salvaged from this. To me, the &quot;right&quot; way of doing it would have been just making a &lt;code&gt;##''x''#''y''##&lt;/code&gt; shortcut, where it expands to something in the lines of (in pseudo-code)
:&lt;code&gt;result = &quot;&quot;&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !x.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## # ... ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section end=&quot;'+trim(x)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;if !y.match(/^\s*$/) (meaning is not of the form ## ... # ##)&lt;/code&gt;
:::&lt;code&gt;then result += '&amp;lt;section begin=&quot;'+trim(y)+'&quot;/&amp;gt;'&lt;/code&gt;
:&lt;code&gt;return result&lt;/code&gt;
:While we're on it, I'd like to ask you a question about section titles. Personally, I think that individual labels that do not follow an easy pattern only take more time. In my first work, I labeled chapter beginning/ends with c[chapter num], and it was a nightmare to keep track of it when transcluding. Ever since, I always call the sections, a, b, c, d, &amp;c in that order (so end=a, begin=b, end=b, begin=c, &amp;c, and reset to end=a on every page). If this gets consensus, the above proposal could be even better, such as ### to put a end &amp; begin, #### for only end, and ##### for only begin. It would need no more work.
:What do you think of that? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I can't comment on your suggestion of the &quot;right&quot; way it should have been done. In re the choice of labels, I think it depends on the type of work being dealt with. If there are lots of small sections on a page, then the a, b, c, d, … works well. But if we're dealing with sections that go over multiple pages, then I tend to label them in accordance with their name. This means that when I'm transcluding, I don't have to think about I called the sections as they matches with the title of the subpage. In the end, I see it as an individual thing and would prefer not to dictate how to label. That's not to say that the Help: page can't have a suggested &quot;ideal.&quot; [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

== Litanies ==

Hello!  You helped me format litanies with ppoem.  The litanies span several pages, so now I am trying to get them to format correctly.  I followed the instructions at [[Help:Table#Spanning_Pages]] and [[Help:Page breaks]] and put the table coding in the footers, but now in the trancluded namespace, it places the tables (pages) next to each other, rather than one above the other.  Will you please take a look and tell me what I am doing wrong?  [[Blessed be God/Devotions To The Holy Name]]     Before I put the table codes in the headers and footers, the transcluded pages had pages 2 and 3 at the left margin instead of block centered. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:In a table, you have to delimit the rows, as it can't guess what row each cell should be on. To mark a new row, use &lt;code&gt;|-&lt;/code&gt;, on its own line. See [[w:Help:Table]] for more details.
:There was also another issue, that was my fault. In a table, the cells appear one above the other, but they are separared. With ppoem, this means that the poems are not actually joined, so the start=follow's, that expect a ppoem right before, caused this alignment issue you mentioned. However, the table itself is centered (margin:0 auto), so we don't have to join the ppoems. We can therefore remove the starts and ends. But then, they will all be centred in the same column, but they're not the same width, so the beginning of lines wouldn't ve aligned. Luckily, the table provides us with a way to align them together: stripping them of their native centering, which makes them all go to the left of the column, so they're aligned.
:There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.
:Should be good now, I hope the explanation was clear enough. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Wow, I cannot thank you enough.  I don't think I would ever have figured that out by myself!  I think I understand each of the things you describe.  We'll see if I can duplicate it for the next one!  I appreciate this so much.  Merry Christmas! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Note: is is better to size the braces with &quot;em&quot;s, a unit that sizes in function of the text, so that with a smaller browser font size or things like that, it still looks right. The default line-height on Mediawiki is about 1.6em (why I don't know), so e.g. when you need a braces 18 lines high, you can write: {{tlx|brace3|calc(18 * 1.6em)|r}}. &lt;code&gt;calc()&lt;/code&gt; is a CSS function, that permits using arithmetic operations in the code. This leaves cleaner code, in this case when you see &lt;code&gt;calc(18 * 1.6em)&lt;/code&gt; you know it's 18 lines, whereas if it was just &lt;code&gt;28.8em&lt;/code&gt; it'd be much less clear. The line height is in fact closer to 1.5714, and when multiplying by large numbers you may want to use the more precise value, as at that scale the offset becomes visible, e.g. 100*(1.6-1.5714) = 100 * 0.286 = 28.6em, which is not negligible. 
:::Also, something important: do not use curly quotes (” “ ’ ‘) in code. In the text, you may use whatever you want (as long as it's consistent in a work), but curly quotes are not recognized in code (this includes HTML and CSS). Any piece of code in which you use curly quotes instead of straight ones will either silently do nothing or send an error, depending on the language. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for both the reminder about avoiding curly quotation marks in code and for how to use ems for vertical space.  I was wondering about what would happen with different sized fonts, and if dhr would do it correctly when, for example, an ereader offers choices to the reader about line height vs. how a browser or Mediawiki does it.  Will including the calculation in the code this way work with ereaders too?  Why doesn't dhr include the calculation?  Never mind, I don't really need to understand these things at that level. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in the end, {{tl|brace2}} is preferable to {{tl|brace3}} (because of the output markup), but you can give it basically the same argument (just remove the &quot;em&quot;, it only takes numbers). dhr's units are in function of line height, therefore they should adapt. The calculation should work with ereaders too, normally (on export, many things are precalculated, e.g. in the PDF/Epub/etc each word has its placement precisely given). 
:::::I think it's good to ask questions, else you can never know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I think I see what you mean.  I had disregarded brace2 because I thought it was only for showing equations.  So you're saying instead of brace3 with the calculation, just use brace2 with the number of lines and that will be better?  It sure looks easier! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::{{tl|brace2}} should only be preferred to {{tl|brace3}} inside a ppoem (this is necessary because {{tl|brace3}} is a block element, which can't fit inside the ppoem lines, which are inline elements, see [[H:DIVSPAN]]). On a closer inspection, I'm afraid that {{tl|brace2}}'s arguments don't correspond to anything that I can find out. Inside {{tl|ppoem}}, you should use it and just test values until it fits. Also, brace2 doesn't accept CSS, so no calc(). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, yes, I just tried brace2 in my sandbox, and 18 was too short.  23 looks right--but maybe that's only with my browser font preferences?  
::::::::Also, the ppoem code end=follow was commented out, I assume in relation to the issue discussed below.  So leave that out? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::end=follow? where? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::In my sandbox, before the brace code.  
:::::::::And to make sure, I should still use dhr to control vertical placement of the brace, correct? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::On the end=follow, it's because of the ppoems not actually been joined. You shouldn't put the ends and starts whenever the ppoem is in a table (because ppoems in different tables cells are separated.).
::::::::::Forget all I just said today about braces, I just found a way to make {{tl|brace3}} compatible with ppoem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::LOL!!!   I am so grateful for your time.  Glad I could help (in my very small way) to niggle your brain to the best solution!  
:::::::::::No ends and starts within tables, got it.  Thank you! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Honestly, using the number lines needed (in the brace2 template argument) rather than defining the brace length by px (as I was trying to do it before)  is MUCH easier for me.  Can I do that now with brace3?  Is that what you meant? [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::brace2 does not work in term of lines; or it only does at low scale. See e.g. [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:Sandbox&amp;oldid=14749931] for ten lines. The calc way with brace3 is the way to go. (and, in general, avoid sizing things with px as often as you can.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you for the clarification!  I thought you meant &quot;don't bother with the calc thing&quot; when you said &quot;forget what I said about braces today.&quot;  But now I see that you told me about the calc thing yesterday!  
:::::::::::::So, to sum up:  1.  Use calc with brace3 to get the length of the brace, within dhr to get vertical placement.  2.  No ppoem ends and starts within tables.  3.  Don't forget to put a pipe-dash at the beginning of a table.  4.  Don't forget that curly quotation marks foul up codes.  
:::::::::::::I just need to make sure I've got all the codes correct in my sandbox so that I can copy/paste. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Think that's it, yes. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::One more thing!  Above, you said, &quot;There's a last problem which needed to be taken care of. By default, there will be some space between rows of a table, and we don't want that. It can be suppressed by adding border-collapse:collapse to the table.&quot;  Where do I put that?  At the beginning of the table?  Does it need to be on its own line, or with its own pipe?   Does it need to be in the subsequent page headers?  
:::::::::::::::ALSO, THANK YOU for noticing and fixing the disambiguation problem! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::It's in the table style, at the beginning, next to margin:0 auto, separated by a ; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}.  When I add it, it tightens everything up considerably, to I think 1em.  So I don't have to use the calc parameter, can just put, ''e.g.'', &quot;12em&quot; --before adding this template I could not seem to elminate the space between pages, and I am pretty sure it was the braces that were forcing too much space.  
:::::::::::::::::So my next question is, when using that template, do I still need the border-collapse:collapse in the table style, or any table style parameter at all?  Or the style=margin:0 parameter within ppoem?  Please check my work at [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] and let me know if it looks right to you.  
Edited to add:  I just noticed that it now is flushleft instead of block centered, so maybe the {{tl|brace table parameters}} has a conflict?  [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:What is? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::[[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To The Holy Name]] when using the {{tl|brace table parameters}}, as I mentioned just above (&quot;Thank you!  I have just (re)discovered {{tl|brace table parameters}}{{...}}&quot;). [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed, conflict with {{tl|brace table parameters}}. That template, though, is I think useful only for {{tl|brace}}, and useless for {{tl|brace2}} and {{tl|brace3}}. Indeed, its purpose is for images {{tqi|to butt together seamlessly}}, and the other two templates use only one image for the entire brace. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I added the template, and it &quot;worked&quot; with brace3, in that it removed the significant vertical space between pages, reduced the amount of space between each line (from 1.6em to 1em, it looks like), which made it much easier to figure out the length of the brace (in lines/ems) (though it was still not perfect over many lines).  It allowed the ends of the braces to abut together very closely.  Before adding the template, the calc and dhr were getting very complicated as I tried and tried to eliminate the gap by adjusting the length of the braces, then the vertical space between/above with dhr to get them into the right place.  The only issue I see as a user (not a coder) is that the table is no longer block centered.
::::I did NOT test removing the other table style parameters from the beginning/headers of each page after adding the {{tl|brace table parameters}} after them on each page.  
::::This has probably reached the limits of what is possible.  I will do it in whatever way to tell me is the best practice.  I am grateful for your skills and your patience! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also, did you intentionally put calc(18 * 1em) on that page (the first one)? As a reminder, line height is 1'''.6'''em.
:::Please do tell me if a calc(18 * 1.57em) brace is not 18 lines high for you, as this means that I was wrong in my assumptions (namely the one that line-height is 1.6em on all platforms).
:::Note: this may be due to the fact that {{tl|brace table parameters}}, intended for situations where there is one {{tl|brace}} parameter for every image segment this high: {{brace}}, supposed that there would be one row per line, and so reduced line spacing. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I did not see this before my previous reply.  Yes, the template reduced the line height from 1.6em to 1em so it simplifies the calc.  But then I could eliminate the calc because I could just put the number of ems (lines) instead of the calc.  (Before we started this I didn't know I could do that at all, that's why they were specified in px, as he original creator of some of the pages did them.) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::The calc(18 * 1em) is 18 lines but now there is an extra line between the pages when it is transcluded. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it looks like the brace is longer than 18 lines, which appears to be causing the extra space before the next page.  But I tried tweaking these lengths on each page (then having to adjust their placement vertically) and got into decimals that were far more complicated than is useful. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::It looks different on each page edited individually vs. the transcluded three pages together. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 15:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(That's just because {{tl|brace table parameters}} was still in the second &amp; third pages' headers.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::(And because of something else: actually, vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening; this was probably one of the things that made weird things.)
:::::::I'm going to do the three pages the way I would've. Can you tell me if it makes sense to you? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Have done how I would've these pages, would like your opinion/feedback on that. Is it clear and easy enough?
::::::1.6 is a bit too much, and the value is closer to 1.5714, but if you find yourself in a situation where your brace is slightly too long, just use a smaller value, e.g. 1.55 (I used that on the second page.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you very much.  I have not looked at the code yet.  Here is what I see on the transcluded pages:  
:::::::First page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so there is a one-line gap between the first and second pages.  
:::::::Second page:  First bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket (''i.e.'', &quot;Be merciful, spare us, O Jesus.&quot;).  The next bracket starts one line too low, and ends two lines too low, so that there is an even bigger space between pages 2 and 3.  
:::::::Third page:  Bracket looks one line too long, so takes in the first line that should have no bracket.  
:::::::Also, I was just looking at {{tl|dhr}} and it says that it uses 1.4em, not 1.6 (&quot;n the default Vector theme&quot;).  So that is probably one reason why the dhrs and brackets and lines do not line up.  I was using parameters for dhr with decimals to get it to work, and it was very hard to get just the right placement.  I was wondering (hoping) if there is another template that will allow vertical spacing by lines/ems instead, but there doesn't seem to be. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::(I don't know of another vertical space template, though you could use {{tlx|vrl|2={{tlx|em|...}}}}, where ... is the number of ems.)
::::::::Well, sorry, I think we've reached the limits of available technology and/or my knowledge. With web styling, sometimes we can't win. Maybe someone else could've helped you better.
::::::::I suppose this is where it ends. This is probably a browser issue. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You've helped me TONS, and I am very grateful for your time, expertise, and patience!  I have learned a LOT from this experience, all of which will remain valuable to me. 
::::::::: 
:::::::::If I fix the lengths and spacing so that it looks right to me, will you tell me if it looks mis-aligned/too short to you?  
:::::::::BTW I think &quot;vertical-align:top needs to be on the row separators, not the table opening&quot; is indeed fixing some of the mis-alignment for which I was trying to compensate.  
:::::::::Happy New Year! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 20:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::You're probably tired of hearing from me, but I wanted to let you know that I experimented with skins and the skin I was using, Monobook, was apparently causing the display discrepancies.  It looks much better in either of the two Vector skins.  (The newer Vector won't work for me because of a visual impairment I have which requires black backgrounds and lighter text, and none of the buttons show up.)  
:::::::::So anyway, now on the transcluded pages I see much smaller (and therefore tolerable) gaps, and the only big issue (which I did not mention before) is the vertical text which is misaligned.  But if we're done tweaking the brackets, I can fix that now.  
:::::::::I have learned a lot from this experience (which has led me to revisit a lot of formatting templates, and finding many helpful ones) and I thank you.  I'm only sorry that my questions apparently came at a bad time for you.  Have a great day! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 14:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::If you use monobook, that explains a lot of stuff. In general, Vector 22 (often V22 for short) is now (after a long story) the default skin here, so content should work under that. In most conditions, what works under V22 also works in V10 (the older skin), which is not always true the other way round.
::::::::::For black background and lighter text, there are multiple dark modes. I don't recommend the V22 so-called &quot;feature-level&quot; dark mode (the one that pops up when you add the skin), as it makes a lot of stuff hard to see. What I use is the invert-style dark mode, where the brightness of everything is just flipped through CSS. I encourage you to try it with V22. The steps would be: 1) select V22 as skin; 2) uncheck Preferences &gt; Appearance &gt; Skin preferences &gt; &quot;enable limited width mode&quot; 3) add &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;@import &quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&amp;action=raw&amp;ctype=text/css&quot;;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to [[Special:MyPage/common.css|your common.css]] or [[m:Special:MyPage/global.css|your global.css]]. You may also want to add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;a.new:visited { color:#A55858; } table { /*remove light gray background */ background:transparent !important } html .mw-file-description img[src*=&quot;svg&quot;] { /* rm black bg by import */ background:none }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;, to fix a few things that import does, though it's a question of personal choice.
::::::::::Regarding a bad time for me, I don't know if you could call it that. I did a lot of stupid stuff. It happens (not that it's not my fault; merely saying I should have been on the watch for that, and prevented it). Now I've got to get back up, learn something out of that, pay more attention, maybe step away from those things for some time, proofread, read up more, and try to do more good than bad.
::::::::::There is ''never'' a wrong time for questions. If we don't learn, we can't progress.
::::::::::Anyway, nice to have helped. (I don't think I told you, but with poems with braces and vertical text across multiple pages, you didn't choose yourself a piece of cake.) Good day to you too. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thank you for the code!  I copied it into my common.css but does any of it need hard line breaks?  (Feel free to edit it.)  (I don't really understand css.)
:::::::::::Part of the problem is that my browser has a dark mode and it takes some colors, etc., from my Windows setup, which is an inverted white on black high contrast theme.  
:::::::::::So far the main thing that has changed is that the buttons are all outlined now, but they are empty at the top of the editing page.  (At the bottom of the editing page, I do see publish, cancel, etc., but I do NOT see colors or popups for the Page Status radio buttons.)  Also at the top of every page for things like Preferences and Notices.  I do see text for some (but not all) of the navigation links at the top (e.g., History).  (One reason I was using monobook was that it was more text-based with fewer button icons.  Is there a way to tell Vector22 to use text instead of buttons?)  
:::::::::::Then there are all the problems with page status colors, such as on Index pages.  I have sort of solved this problem by switching to a secondary theme in Windows which has a few more colors.  Some programs--not just Wikisource!-- simply will not work with standard high-contrast inverted colors.  
:::::::::::And AHA!  I just discovered that if I switch to my secondary Windows theme, the buttons all show up (properly inverted).  So something in my browser (or Windows) must be overriding them.  BUT now the insert-markup box has a bright background, and the buttons below it above the editing box are blank.  I will play with the themes and see if there's a simple fix.
:::::::::::So you see, everything is a trade-off.  Several years ago someone wrote me a lot of css to make things workable for me in WS, but with changes over time to how Windows does colors, how browsers do colors, and WM skins, most things eventually looked better without the css.  So fiddling with it is probably more trouble than it's worth.  It'll just break with the next update.  
:::::::::::re:  the other stuff, I can recommend to you a couple of prayers for humility.  There's even a litany!  :) [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::I changed a browser setting and I can now see all the buttons!  Yay!   But there are still a couple of things with light backgrounds:  the Wikimarkup box on the editing page, and behind the page status at the top of a page.  When I switch back from my secondary Windows theme to my preferred theme, those bright backgrounds are fixed but the buttons disappear again.  So nothing's perfect!  C'est la vie! [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 19:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Line breaks in the code would help for readability, I didn't put them in because DiscussionTools has an issue with multiple-line stuff. (No one can edit other's CSS.)
:::::::::::::You should close the comment at the end of what is currently line 24.
:::::::::::::I suppose &lt;code&gt;textarea { background: #FFF; color: #000 }&lt;/code&gt; could help for the editing box. Can you tell me which other thing has a light background (if possible, inspect the html and give me a distinguishing feature, such as an ID or the classes.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I am sorry to report that suddenly all my wikimedia pages were bright white, and after much testing (in common.css, Windows, and browser, including a full reboot), I finally reinstated the browser setting I have long used, which is &quot;Force websites to use a dark theme.&quot;  Now all works as before.  The css code you provided is I suspect redundant (or being overridden by the browser setting).  I am now using the older Vector skin and that seems to be the best compromise for me, since the spacing is now correct (for the brackets and such) and I can see more buttons than I used to, plus I actually prefer the layout with more text links instead of buttons, and the the sidebar down the left which I like.  Thank you for your efforts!  I think it was worth it. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Well, whatever works is good. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Congratulations, you are now an administrator on English Wikisource ==

May you make great use of the tools. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|&lt;span style=&quot;background:gold; color:#202122; &quot;&gt;'''''BD2412'''''&lt;/span&gt;]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Adding my own congratulations. If you have some language abilities beyond English, please add them to your line in the Table on [[WS:ADMINS]]. [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:(Wanted to answer, forgot) Thanks for the congrats! noted the language abilities there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I also do congratulate you very much. We have really needed such reinforcement :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 23:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== Is is correct? ==
I added the references to the text of 1844:

https://es.wikisource.org/wiki/Discusión:Un_puesto_de_chía_en_Semana_Santa

Then how the text is added to translate namespace?

--[[User:Rauzoi|Rauzoi]] ([[User talk:Rauzoi|talk]]) 21:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to answer. As far as sourcing is concerned, this should be enough (though if/when [[WS:T]] gets adopted as a proposal, which could be pretty soon, it will require scan-backing.)
:You still need to add a license to the Spanish page, to make sure that legally we can host it. It should be one of [[es:Especial:PáginasPorPrefijo/Plantilla:DP|this list]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== &lt;s&gt;Congatulations, Broke 600 pages wiki on you did..&lt;/s&gt; ==
&lt;s&gt;
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:LintErrors/html5-misnesting -Mostly it's due to trying to put DIV based tags insisde P tags, which is bad HTML. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 18:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;/s&gt;

Reverted back to previous version.  Now to figure out what went wrong.. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:When we look at what you reverted, it is clear that this version of {{tl|ppoem}}, (just like the old one), never adds divs inside stanzas. These divs can come only from the user input. Now, still just looking at the code, we can see that all user input that is interpreted as html is put inside the lines, which are themselves spans (and already were before). Thus, all these pages already were putting divs inside spans, and the problem is these pages, which were already lint errors, and misusing the template. Therefore, '''this change to the module was ''not'' the cause of the lint errors''', so I will re-revert. The thing to do, here, would be to fix these 600 pages, which are probably (from experience) using block templates inside ppoem. Leaving it live is moreover useful, if not necessary, to know what the issues actually were.
:I would like to remind you that lint errors are not {{tqi|break}}ing issues, so I would appreciate it if you'd be a little less ton-o-brickey. Thank you.
:I must say that it comes across as rather:
:* dismissive, to blame someone for not testing enough without trying to see what tests were done. I have tested this code, on three computers, on five desktop browsers, on mobile, and in exports (which is all written at [[WS:S#Poem formatting]]). So I think I have done my duty for testing.
:* trigger happy, to revert apparently without looking at what you're reverting.
:I am sure that this was not your intention, merely stating that this is what it appears as. No offence meant, and I hope none taken.
:Regards, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Taking a look, suspicions confirmed: {{tl|FI}}s, other {{tl|ppoem}}s, {{tl|rule}}s (all block elements), &amp;c can indeed be found inside ppoems in these pages. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah, found what makes the issue slightly more proeminent: the p tags autoclose when the parser arrives to their invalid (because block) child nodes, whereas the div didn't. The pages that use block elements inside are still the problem. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:::(Now sorting through them, appreciate if you and/or @[[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] could give a hand to solve these invalid invocations. Useful info for this task: {{tlx|rule|xem}}s can be replaced by &lt;code&gt;&lt;&gt;{{tlx|bar|x}}&lt;/code&gt;). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: What would be even more impressive is changing ppoem so &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot;&gt;
&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt; work as single line prefixs to add rules with needing to break out of ppoem.
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;
Or make {{tl|rule}} 'compatible'. ..  The revert was because of the sheer number of pages broken. It's never personal, but the types of interactions concerned could have been uncovered during testing (albiet for them specifcally.) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Can you explain &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;|:x&gt; &lt;||:x&gt; and &lt;*:y&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; I don't see what you mean. As in native rule lines? Maybe I could, going to think about it. Note: {{tl|***}} is already compatible, as it uses spans.
:As-was, {{tl|rule}} already had a bad interaction with {{tl|ppoem}}, because the hanging indent caused rule to go 4ems to the right. So making {{tl|rule}} compatible would be complicated.
:Even if we leave the rules aside, there are plenty of simply wrong usage in these 600 (most notably the FIs (all I've met so far are in fact useless, putting {{tlx|FI|filename.ext|size}} when &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;&gt;[[File:filename.ext|size]]&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; would have sufficed), the nested ppoems, and using {{tl|hi}} instead of {{tl|hin}}). These should get rid of in any case. I've done some 60 pages, I'd appreciate if you could help. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:  Yes, I was asking for native rule lines in {{tl|ppoem}},  Also ppoem recognising a line is in fact a block insertion (like FI and nested poems) would be reasonable.  
The rule interaction, wasn't a problem when using DIV based stanzas, HR in P isn't allowed as we've identified.  
ppoem in ref inside ppoem, would need Mediawiki to actually support block based footnotes (something that's been a long standing issue for at least a DECADE).
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Ppoem inside ref inside ppoem perfectly works. What doesn't is ppoem inside ppoem directly. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: Prior to your template changes, the interactions were masked. You are welcome to ask for assistance, but it needs a clear change of what to migrate. 
Annoyingly the test cases I added recently, aren't necessarily showing the same 'bad interactions' as lints for some reason. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 10:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:The issue is stanzas autoclosing before the rules. If the rule was mid-stanza, this problem is more visible than if it was end-of-stanza. Personally, I'm seeing the same things in the lints and on the testcases.
:On what to migrate: simple {{tl|rule}}s to {{tl|bar}}s, {{tl|FI}}s to normal images, {{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}. Nested ppoems, when used to mark a differently-aligned stanza, should replaced by their content, and that content indented to match the scan. These cases are already at least 80% of it. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
: For me, the lints aren't being reported on the testcases I added. But doe show up when I use [[Special:ExpandTemplates]] (Sigh. If adding testcases doesn't actually report a limt that DOES showup eselwhere.) 
: As I said when Stanza's were DIV based , these interactions were masked. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::Some, yes, but not the 4em one. I've seen that one for a year and a half (doesn't always happen). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:: For some of the interactions you've identified, there isn't a clear migration, so I'm going to go back to fixing unclosed italics rather than assist in migrating  {{tl|ppoem}} due to changes in a template that wasn't broken pre change as far as I can tell. I strongly suggest you testcase the interactions you've identfied, to resolve the migration path. Are you also checking each usage of ppoem on Pages for custom styles that relied upon the div based vs P based behaviour? [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Already did that, no one used div.ws-poem-stanza. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: Well, no &lt;code&gt;html5-misnesting&lt;/code&gt; in contentspace anymore. that was faster than I thought it would be (partly because, as I discovered, 2/3 of it were me last year, doing specific mistakes over and over again that could be fixed with a regex). A question, since you're the linter expert: I know it's not instant, and some trickled in for a good two hours while I was fixing it, but how much do you think is yet to appear? At my (uninformed) first glance, it looks like it's over. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 12:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

{{PING|Alien333}} - Should have cleared most of them.  Not sure how many will trickle through in the next round. Also manged to fix some splt-table references, by eliminating the splits.  Any chance you could take a look at the remaining 10 or stripped tag lints,  Most of the remaining missing tags are essentialy mismatched formatting (and mostly on un-proofread pages.).  If you can also take a look at some of the High prority lints, I am not able to edit as I don't have admin powers, much appreciated[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]])
:(Note: I added a warning at {{tl|ppoem/doc}} to not use block elements inside, hopefully will help.)
:None of the high-priority lints appear in contentspace, apart from [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids&amp;offset=4031380 Duplicate IDs]. That one is complicated. Has plenty of causes, the largest of which seem to be:
* Something, I think [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]], which gives, as IDs, the page names as given in the index pagelist. This is what allows links of the form &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;wikitext&quot; inline&gt;[[Work title#page number]]&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt;. To solve this, we could either add something to the IDs to keep them unique, but then they'd lose their purpose, or remove duplicate IDs altogether. Need to be careful around this.
* Templates that add an IDs to the result, depending on the argument or not.
* Hand-chosen duplicate IDs.
: Tbh, I don't see how I can help you on this. If you have ideas, I'm open to suggestions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 15:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken redirects ==

Shouldn't these have gone along with the targets:
* [[What can I upload to Wikimedia Commons]]
* [[2004 Wikipedia Press Release]]
? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Indeed, thanks for noticing. Is there a way to find them, so I can keep an eye on it? I often do mass deletes when closing [[WS:PD]], and during such I'm likely to miss redirects. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Old (and some newer) formatter codes - possible for short codes in ppoem... ==

{|
!code
!Function
|-
|{bb} or (bl} || Embolden 
|-
|{it} or {il} || Italcize
|-
|{ni} || Not italic
|-
|{nb} || Not bold
|-
|{bu} or {ul}|| Underline
|-
|{ds}|| Set doublespace (line spacing}
|-
|{cs}||Set 'compacted' (line spacing}
|-
|{tt}{mono}|| Monospace font.
|-
|{ansi} ||ANSI/VT type font ( intended for program output screens if those get transcibed at some point.)  Monospce, Green on black, fixed 80 character width)
|-
|{cc}{888} || 200%, high contrast - (intended for film dialouge,transcription.  Page 888 used to be the UK teletext page for subtitles.)
|-
|{ls1}..{ls5}.. {lssquish}.. {lswide} || Letter spacing in ems , and commonly used variants.
|- 
|{lv}{sp}{dhr}{nil}{blank} || Insert blank lines.
|-
|{sc}||Small caps.
|-
|{grc} ||Ancient greek ( for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages)
|-
|{he} ||Hebrew (for single line/stanza - ppoem has lang attrib for entire passages}
|-
|{ang}||Old English
|-
|&quot;{ex}chequer&quot; {court}{abbey} || &quot;Court&quot; hand (essentialy a formatter code to use Junicode font (via ULS if needed}} to accomodate 'recordtype' glyphs for scribal contractions, see examples used in Statutes of the Realm and related works.. 
|-
|{hl1} (hl2} || Heading levels- 1to9 - (Which a user will have to specify in Index styles for a work).
|}

There may be more,  (And if implementing I strongly suggest having a seperate /data module/stylesheet from the LUA scripts!/

I'm not sure if the ppoem formatter can be made to an 8-bit error hexdump type format though..  maybe thats what Syntaxhighlighting is for..:)  [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
&lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; line&gt;
/* I think it's not a very good idea to have 2 two-letter aliases for the same class (risk of confusion). */
.ws-poem-bb /* to add as alias to .ws-poem-bold, {bl} duplicate */
/* {it} is already there, {il} duplicate */
/* {ni} would correspond to {{fsn}} and {nb} to {{fwn}}, so: */
.ws-poem-noitalics, .ws-poem-ni {
  font-style:normal;
}
.ws-poem-nobold, .ws-poem-nb {
  font-weight:normal;
}
/* might as well add {{fvn}} */
.ws-poem-font-variant-normal, .ws-poem-fvn {
  font-variant:normal;
}
.ws-poem-ul {
  text-decoration:underline;
}
.ws-poem-doublespacing, .ws-poem-ds {
  line-height:200%;
}
.ws-poem-compact, .ws-poem-cs {
  line-height:95%;
}
.ws-poem-monospace, .ws-poem-mono, .ws-poem-tt {
  font-family:monospace;
}
/* Don't think that {ansi} is going to be useful
 * for {cc} and {888}, not all film use poems, and the film templates already have styles
 * how much would fall under &quot;commonly used variants&quot; of sp? if there are a lot, might be better to use {{lsp}}
 * (gave me the idea to add a {{lspn}} equivalent:) */
.ws-poem-letter-spacing-none, .ws-poem-lspn {
  letter-spacing:normal;
}
/* a single blank line is a stanza break, and multiple should be a larger stanza break. Here are classes (to be applied to a stanza) to have larger stanza breaks: */
.ws-poem-mb2 {
  margin-bottom:2em;
}
.ws-poem-mb3 {
  margin-bottom:3em;
} /* Here, mb''x'' is for margin-bottom-x. Should avoid having a lot of these classes, users can define beyond 3. If this other spacing is used consistently in the whole work, just add .ws-poem-stanza:not(:last-child) { margin-bottom:''whatever'' } to index CSS.
 * sc already there
 * I'm afraid that with simple CSS we can't change lang attribute (would need a bit of hardcoding)
 * Is anyone really going to use nine levels of headers? Anyhow, anyone can already use whatever classes they want (the set is not restricted, if you want you can add {xkcd} to a line and define that.) */
&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

== Apologies for being an idiot ==

@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]], @[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]]:

I am the worst of idiots. I was completely, totally wrong. I owe everyone involved apologies, for causing unnecessary conflict through my stupidity, and for acting like an moron. (To SF00, more specifically: sorry for recruiting you into this mess.) I ought to go hide in a hole of shame and never come out.

My edit ''was'' the problem, because the line spans are not inline. They have display:block. Which is why the lint errors said &quot;span&quot;. And why SF00 first mentioned div-in-p errors, as a blocked span is essentially a div. This display:block was also written [https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Template:Ppoem/styles.css#L-42 in the style sheet], and therefore on ppoem in the browser console. I looked at both at least twenty times each in the last month. I do not know how I managed to not notice this whole thing as it was damn staring into my face. I found out because InductiveLoad mentioned that spans were blocked on his talk page in 2021. (On realizing, kinda wanted to ask, why'd no one correct me? But you did try, both of you, although you didn't know, or didn't manage to make me understand (wouldn't be your fault, rather mine), the exact reason why I was wrong, and so I wasn't convinced. I guess this is the problem with being too confident. Anyhow, the responsibility is all mine.) I suppose it only signaled on 600 pages (as opposed to tens of thousands) because a span-display-block that has only span children is considered in some step of the linting process to be an inline element, and therefore to not be an issue.

Now, for consequences of my actions. Of these 600-odd edits (counts approximate, from memory):
#200 were harmlessly moving a pipe after instead of before a custom rule. They're pointless, but harmless.
#50 were removing templates, and replacing them by something not worse ({{tl|hi}} to {{tl|hin}}), or a bit better ({{tl|FI}} to simple images, as FI has no use in ppoem).
#300 were replacing rules by bars. They could be characterized as either changes slightly for the worse (semantic-wise), or slightly for the better (because of the 4em shift issue).
#50 of them were changes definitely for the worse (such as splitting a {{tl|ppoem}} where something that couldn't be included was used, e.g. a double rule).
I think that reverting:
* the first and part of the second would be as pointless, and harmless, as these edits themselves.
* the rest of the second would be slightly for the worse, but not a great lot.
* the third group will be done, because one important issue with it is that, though it was not the intention, it did end up enforcing one side (as the pages already using {{tl|bar}} did not appear in the list), for no valid reason.
* the fourth group will be necessary, as it's a worse result for no valid reason either.
I will reread all of these 600 edits and revert those that need to be.

As the proverb goes: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:This wasn't addressed to me, but may I jump in here and say:  
:{{...}} dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. For information, I had to revert 94 of them (The first group was a lot larger, and SF00's were already in great part reverted). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

== Line based ppoem formatting.. ==
[[:Page:A History of Domestic Manners and Sentiments in England During the Middle Ages.djvu/425]]
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Work around for non italics in other wise italicised poem :)..  If there's an even quicker way , LMK. (Like perhaps marking the non-italics only with italic markup. (like the approach taken with Italic Block and other templates :) [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:(It hurts my head a bit to see &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; in {fsn} in {it}.)
:That page had an issue because an apostrophe line 4 was replaced by a &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;.
:What I'd do, tbh, is just use the inline {{tl|fsn}} template. I did that at that page. What do you think? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Works for me, Thanks. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 11:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::(To clarify, just to be sure, italics in {fsn} in {it} does work, it didn't because of the unclosed italics above.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Author:Tilman Bayer]] ==

I note that you deleted the only work by the author following the decision to do so. Do you think that the author's page should remain ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

:No, sorry, I missed it. I should pay more attention. (I intend to write up something one of these days to automate finding a list of pages to delete (pending human approval, ofc)). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

== Rapid transcription tools - are they available to anyone, and if so, how? ==

Hi, judging by the number of works you add to the home page, you clearly possess the means of rapidly generating and transcluding output from texts. While I do a lot of old texts, for which OCR produces at best only middling results, I also do some more modern stuff with cleaner typefaces, which seem to be what you focus on. I'd like to have a go with whatever these tools are, and was wondering if they're available, and if there's a tutorial covering their use? Regards, [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

:It's probably much less automated then you think, and it's nearly all available. Details of my workflow, if you'll bear with me (I'm afraid most of it won't interest you):
:I consider OCR quality to be key. Bad OCR is a lot of time lost. Therefore I always strive to get as good OCR as I can. My current mix for that is:
:* Getting the JP2s from IA (I nearly only work with IA). I keep them around till I'm done, for illustrations. When I need some of those, I get JPGs from the JP2s, do whatever file manipulation I want to do with the JPGs, and then upload to commons (I chose a fixed format to save time: {{tqi|[Index name without extension] p[pagenum].jpg}}).
:* Converting them to PDF with [https://gitlab.mister-muffin.de/josch/img2pdf img2pdf]. This intermediate PDF conversion between JP2 and DJVU is probably the weakest link right now, as it entails a slight loss in quality, but it is needed for the next step.
:* Which is OCR itself, using [https://github.com/ocrmypdf/OCRmyPDF ocrmypdf] (using tesseract). After a lot of testing, I found that this gave much better result than other methods. It has an issue tesseract always has of often badly misunderstanding quotes, but for letters and other punctuation, it's top notch, as far as I've seen. I would like to get a same-quality equivalent for djvu, but haven't found yet ): (never managed to get ocrodjvu up and running). A property I like a lot with ocrmypdf, is that when it fails (which is rarely, apart from quotes), it either fails loudly (quotes also fail loudly, I'm merely saying that outside of them there are few errors), or fail in way that are made loud by some of the below tools. When it doesn't understand a word, it often spits out gibberish, instead of an easily-confusable incorrect version of that word.
:* Conversion to DJVU using [https://github.com/jwilk-archive/pdf2djvu pdf2djvu].
:* At this step, there might be misaligned OCR. I do {{tqi|djvused [filename].djvu -e &quot;output-all&quot; &gt; test.dsed}} (djvused is from [https://djvu.sourceforge.net/features.html djvulibre]), and watch if a text hierarchy error comes up. If it does, it means that some page returned invalid OCR, and PRP is going to have trouble with that, and the OCR will be shifted, which is huge pain. To solve this, go to test.dsed, look what's the last pagenum. If it's after the work's end (in the no text pages at the end), as it often happens, you can ignore it. Else, do, with {{tqi|djvused [filename.djvu] -e &quot;select [last pagenum in the djvused+1];remove-txt;save&quot;}}, and then rinse and repeat till it's fine.
:* Finally, then upload to the relevant place often with the filename {{tqi|[mainspace work name].djvu}} (sometimes remove the parentheses in the name, because I did a lot of works called {{tqi|Poems (author name)}}, and so there were always parentheses. In the past, my code assumed the title was always a form of that. most of this, but not all, has been cleared.)
:For proofreading itself: I have made plenty of scripts (all here online on WS) to assist with various steps. I have tried to provide doc so that others can use, feel free to ask if it's unclear. They are:
:* [[User:Alien333/common.js]]: not much, and this one can't really be used by everyone, it's mostly temporary stuff. The one important thing (maybe should be moved out?) is near the end, it prevents saving a page where there are invalid italic/bold (a bit simplistic, might have false positives.)
:* [[User:Alien333/cuts.js]]: provides access to various functions of the below, as well as navigation (shifting Page:s, shifting sibling through the {{tl|header}}s, and so on, with for each the option to open in this tab or a new one) through key combinations (mostly ctrl-meta-something, with a bit of ctrl-something). see [[User:Alien333/cuts]]
:* [[User:Alien333/clean.js]]: applies some regexes to clean OCR and do some basic formatting. This is invoked by many of my scripts; you may want to provide a dummy clean() function (that returns its output) in your user JS if you don't like it.
:* [[User:Alien333/poemise.js]]: as the name says, to ease formatting poetry, being able to do the formatting with 3-4 characters and a keypress on most pages so far. It also brings an imperfect way to fix the di-ppoem interaction (premature wrapping), and functions to change ppoem ends and starts fluidly. see [[User:Alien333/poemise]]
:* [[User:Alien333/nobr.js]]: I rarely use it (as I mostly do poetry), but it's the manyth version of a simple unwrapping script. 
:* [[User:Alien333/rhalt.js]]: A fork of the rh gadget, specialized for poetry. It does not replace it; it is complementary. I like having the two at hand. see [[User:Alien333/rhalt]]
:* [[User:Alien333/addtpp.js]]: a simple script to correct typos in the name of {{tl|tpp}}, and replaces {{tl|ppoem}} by {{tl|tpp}} when tpp features are used.
:* [[User:Alien333/pagenum.js]]: very simplistic script that adds, in the page header for Page:s, their pagenum as defined in the pagelist
:* [[User:Alien333/cmbb.js]]: a WIP wikicode editor, somehow similar to CodeMirror, for thorougher highlighting that includes the headers/footers and other features I wanted. Notably, this allows CSS styling of common scannos to identify them easier. see [[User:Alien333/cmbb]]
:I also use Firefox's spell checker (with an extendable dictionary, which now comprises about 9000 items for old words that are valid) to find scannos (it takes no action).
:I at this point probably should talk about {{tl|tpp}}. It's a thing I made, which uses ppoem, to do some stuff I ended up doing often. This template could be debated. The reason I have not tried to add these features to ppoem is that ppoem has the characteristic of being clean; these are not, and in some cases cannot be, clean. Features (see the doc for details):
:* Adding a title as first parameter, centered and targetable with CSS; that allows marvels, and permits the elimination of a great lot of repetitive formatting
:* Wrapping in most cases the first words with a classed span (for small-caps first words); this has saved me a great lot of time
:* Relative indent; essentially the same as typing &lt;code&gt;{{tlx|phantom|previous line}} this line&lt;/code&gt;, but shorter
:* Reverse indent; does exactly what it says on the tin; to be rewritten to be cleaner
:* Separating of different parts of a poem not aligned together (in effect making multiple ppoems); it has the advantage of 1) being shorter and 2) taking better care of the height of the break between the poems, being the same as that of a regular stanza break
:That's about as far as it goes for transcription. I have optimised as much as I could so that I could easily find most scannos, and that hard-to-find scannos are very rare. That is probably one of the things that speed the most up. (I stay on the lookout for the scannos I have trouble finding, and when I find one once in a book I wait until I'm finished and then I reread everything, checking specifically for that, as if there's one of these I may have missed more.) I have given a lot of though on that, and I believe that I do not go too fast for it to diminish the quality of my works; if that is not the case, please point me to where I messed up, and I will gladly reread and correct that or these books, and adapt my method.
:For transclusion, I use [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]], which indeed has allowed me to speed the process up tremendously. I intend to give this a proper (OOUI) interface one of these days, to make it more usable. see [[User:Alien333/transclude]]
:For disambiguation, I maintain a local list of most of the poems I have transcribed, a piece of OCaml code takes care of finding matches and adding to the list. [[User:Alien333/dab.js]] does the actual on-wiki work (it is one of the things which rely on the title being Poems, which is why I do not disambiguate the other works I do).
:There you go! I hope I've answered your question, please tell me if not.
:I must say I admire you and thank you for your relentless proofreading efforts. You do more than me on a monthly basis, and without my tools.
:(and sorry for the wall of text) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::Hi, thanks for taking the time and trouble to explain the process you use. Unfortunately, what sprang to mind was a line from 'The Big Bang Theory' - &quot;Okay, sweetie, I know you think you're explaining yourself, but you're really not.&quot; I could cope with the image processing stuff at the beginning, because I do some parts of it to create or edit PDF and DJVU files, or extract images, but installing and using 'OCRmyPDF' would be at the limits of what I can do (if not beyond) on a computer. I do have the ability to manipulate PDF's [Foxit Editor] but it tries a bit to hard to format the OCR text it generates.{{pbr}}As for the rest, I have previously managed to add tools I've stumbled across to my own .js. file but presumably I'd have to replicate all of the pages and sub pages you list in my own, since I understand I can't link to someone else's. Frankly, I think I'll have to wait until someone packages this up in a user-friendly wrapper. {{pbr}}How does your work relate to the 'QuickTranscribe' project progressed by PseudoSkull/SnowyCinema? I came across this entry [[User_talk:SnowyCinema#QuickTranscribe_update]] which suggests that it is well developed, but again, looking at GitHub, it needs a good level of IT knowledge to use it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::SC's QT also has a lot of potential, and has nothing to do whatsoever with what I use, at least for now.
:::All of my scripts can be installed by anyone just by adding &lt;code&gt;importScript(&quot;User:Alien333/[insert name here].js;&quot;)&lt;/code&gt; to their common.js — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
:I hadn't done a non-poetry work in a while; I must say that the OCR I usually get for poetry is much better than what I got for [[Index:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf|The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf]]. (Maybe only for this work, that has a pretty low contrast. Maybe in general shorter lines help. IDK) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm surprised that you didn't get a good result from that scan, it's very clear. I'm working on a number of things from Early English Books Online (EEBO) that are frankly awful (mainly due to the amount of print through).{{pbr}}For what it's worth, in my experience, of the three OCR options available in Wikisource, Transkribus is poor, Tesseract is good but Google does best. However, it's not perfect by any means. It seems to struggle with quotation marks, 'em' dashes (either makes them hyphens or ignores them), colons (often misses them). It also does random things like moving the beginning or end of a line elsewhere on the page, throwing in different language symbols (e.g. it sometimes puts in Hebrew characters in place of double quotation marks), and as to where it might put the page number, well that's anyone's guess. It also doesn't separate paragraphs, whereas Tesseract does, which also does better with quotation marks. Neither of them does a very good job with the long 's'; I'd give Tesseract the edge on this one (Google does a mixture of mostly 'f' and the odd 'ſ').{{pbr}}From a poetry perspective, one of the things Google sometimes does is omit 'O' from the beginning of lines that start with it. [[User:Chrisguise|Chrisguise]] ([[User talk:Chrisguise|talk]]) 22:32, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I dislike all online OCR tools, google OCR because of the emdashes, and because it very often misreads end-of-line punctuation, and the others for inaccuracy.
:::The version of Tesseract used by OCRmypdf has given me much better results:
:::* it didn't misread letters
:::* or emdashes
:::* and it was not guilty of splitting lines for no reason
:::I'm especially disappointed to see it perform poorly (jumbling up the lines) for this scan. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:12, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think it's very much related to the low contrast; on the pages with better contrast (e.g. [[Page:The picture of Dorian Gray (IA pictureofdoriang00wildrich).pdf/254]]) it reached its usual performance. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 08:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

== missing page ==

I am missing a page in that magazine.  It is going to take hours and hours (like maybe until Tuesday although I hope not) to rebuild that file.

My question: is it going to be alright for me to leave things in that state of neither here nor there until I can get the new file uploaded?

Thank you so much for ''all'' your help!--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 21:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

==Wikisource to Wikidata bot==
* Could you correct Q43270605, the Wikisource links to his wife, not him. It was caused by my error on the Wikisource side, you said that once an error is introduced, it will not correct automatically when fixed on the Wikisource side, your bot only does one pass. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 13:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{done}} — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Page:The China Mail, Issue 27,265 (ia NPCM19290823).djvu/1]] ==

In case anyone's curious, that was a G7 not G6, I just misclicked in the dropdown. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Portal:Davao de Oro Ordinances ==

When you delete items like this, please remember to also check for (and adjust/remove) incoming links to the page. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 19:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

:I did check, and this link has been around for a while, so I think this is a page that should exist, so having a redlink is normal, and only the content was problematic. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
:(Please tell me if I missed some. Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC))

== Interesting poetry book ==

I have kept an eye out for something like this since the Japanese Songs was deleted. [[Index:Selected Poems of Jehudah Halevi (Salaman 1928).djvu]] has poems in both English and Hebrew, same poem, separate pages.  There is a template {{tl|iwpage}} that I was interested to see in use on both source wikis; used in the page namespaces of the Japanese Songs for Children book.

If you are interested in this and finish the en parts; I can wander over to he.wikisource.org and let them know--maybe they will try it!

Or not; depending on your mood/docket/other.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:50, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::More, I have not datafied many of these 1928 texts that I have uploaded.  My reason being that whoever takes them on might want to datafy them with their own software or their own idea of how it should be done.  After a while, I am going to datafy them and drop them into the monthly collaboration.  So, it is all open and don't worry about orphaning it.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Even more!  I was surprised to see that the link is not red!!  So, I have no idea what is going on with this except that it is interesting to me in a cross-wiki sort of way.--[[User:RaboKarbakian|RaboKarbakian]] ([[User talk:RaboKarbakian|talk]]) 20:55, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

== New texts - Loveman poems ==

My apologies. My intention was to move the last entry. • [[User:M-le-mot-dit|M-le-mot-dit]] ([[User talk:M-le-mot-dit#top|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Syntax highlighing errors here ==

@[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]]: I guess that was what you were trying to fix? I've used syntaxhighlight quite many times over the last year and bits, so it'll be technical finding out which is/are bad. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed. It might be something weird on the [[mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] end; probably not worth too much worry. —[[User:CalendulaAsteraceae|CalendulaAsteraceae]] ([[User talk:CalendulaAsteraceae|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CalendulaAsteraceae|contribs]]) 06:34, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Missing tags.. ==

https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LintErrors/missing-end-tag&amp;dir=prev&amp;offset=2068144&amp;exactmatch=1&amp;tag=all&amp;template=all&amp;titlecategorysearch=&amp;wpNamespaceRestrictions=829%0D%0A828%0D%0A711%0D%0A710%0D%0A107%0D%0A105%0D%0A103%0D%0A102%0D%0A101%0D%0A100%0D%0A14%0D%0A15%0D%0A13%0D%0A11%0D%0A12%0D%0A10%0D%0A9%0D%0A6%0D%0A7%0D%0A8%0D%0A3%0D%0A2%0D%0A5%0D%0A115

Not that many left outside Content spaces. Any chance you could (low priority) reduce this further, as I hit a competence level.. :)
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:22, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh gosh, please do nudge me about this sort of stuff when I said I'd do something and I forget. I just remembered this list on paws of missing italics, I said I'd work on that like a month ago and I completely forgot.
:Will try. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:25, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Works of Aristotle ==

I admit that I assumed those two pages were just overscans, as that is normally the case with excess pages at the end.

However, if you look at the document on internet archive - https://archive.org/details/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/workstranslatedi02arisuoft/page/n519/mode/2up - it doesn't have those two pages at all, so I don't know where they came from. 

In any event, my main concern was that they were showing as orphaned pages, which now they are not. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 21:16, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

== Cane ==

When you moved Cane and the related pages, that has caused all the links from that main page to become redlinks ! -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, sorry, going to correct, and do the same for other stuff I moved yesterday. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

== https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/ql3.txt ==

Note to self: remember to try to fix that in the following days. Mostly {{tl|italic block}} sort of stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

: Ill also link you -https://public-paws.wmcloud.org/4407/idx.txt - which was an edited list of all the mostly unproofread Index: with lints. ( about 600-700 in this edited list.).  Individual Page: are not listed. 
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 19:44, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]]: q3 is {{done}}. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== Caroling Dusk ==

I've added this volume (edited by Countee Cullen) to the February MC.  I'd encourage you to dabble in this, doing a page or two every now and then, as a means of encouraging new editors.  I would not ask you to complete the work nor power through it, because that would prevent others from trying their hand.  But having some of the pages done would provide a model for new editors to try their hands at proofreading it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 17:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

:Ok, did a few. Will do some more in a week or two if it's not progressing much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks.  From what I've seen, some works draw volunteers, others do not, and there is no rhyme nor reason to it.  However, people do seem willing to help more if they have syntax they can copy or mimic. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Le Corbusier ==

Should his author page be at his real name ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 02:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe? I don't know. If you feel like it, feel free to move. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::The relevant help page says &quot;The full name of the author is preferred, unless he/she is better known by a pseudonym&quot; - though I don't think that is the policy that is generally being applied. But let's leave it as you did, but I will do a redirect from his real name. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:19, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::It's about the &quot;better known by a pseudonym&quot; part I'm not sure of. WP at any rate thinks the relevant pagename is [[w:Le Corbusier]] — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:20, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, but there are lots of cases where WP and WS are different. I think that I will raise this on Scriptorium. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 17:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::What I'm saying is that in this specific area we use the same criterion as them: what people are better known by. If WP put him at Le Corbusier, it means the sources called him Le Corbusier, and so he was better known by his pseudonym, and so we should also put it at Le Corbusier. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== Javascript gadgets ==

Just asking if there are any pieces of JavaScript that I could use to improve the transcluding experience? [[User:Norbillian|Norbillian]] ([[User talk:Norbillian|talk]]) 18:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:Various people have done semi-automated (you give it the arguments, but then it edits on its own) things over time; my iteration of it is [[User:Alien333/transclude.js]]. The main way in which it streamlines transclusion, is that it fills the prev/next fields all by itself, that it prevents retyping of a lot of stuff (e.g. for &lt;pages, you only type the arguments), and that everything is done in one text box.
:I know the doc is a bit unclear, feel free to ask if you've got questions. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[Portal:Classical Latin literature]] ==

Is there a toggle that can be set to ''prevent'' the default image being pulled from Wikidata.  There are some larger portals set up with menu windows, and these portals should ''not'' be pulling an image to display in the top right because it breaks the layout. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

:Up to now there wasn't, so I added one (named {{parameter|noimage}}). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:33, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

== The collected works of Henrik Ibsen ==

I have started to work on proofreading '''The collected works of Henrik Ibsen''' trying to follow (as is my convention) the conventions of the people that started the project when apparently it was borrowed from Project Gutenberg for inclusion here. But I am actively involved in trying to improve this multi-volume work and so I noticed the redirects that you added and attempted to tailor my previous work to match them, thereby leaving a bunch of redirects in my wake that probably now could be removed.

[[The Collected Works of Henrik Ibsen/Volume 2/The Vikings at Helgeland/Act 1]]

Since you without a doubt have more programming experience than I, perhaps you could help me figure out what is going on with the tranclusion process for this work.

There seems to be some irregularities in the page numbering of the transcluded works (but only when the page numbers are beside the text, and not when they are within the text.  The html seems to indicate that the page numbers that are missing have been made &quot;invisible&quot; for some reason. But since I am proceeding in a standard manner, I have no idea what is causing this to happen.

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_5&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 1135.42 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_6&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 3094.27 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_7&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 2510.95 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_8&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3131.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_9&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint pagenumber-invisible&quot; style=&quot;top: 3761.82 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;div id=&quot;pagenumber_10&quot; class=&quot;pagenumber noprint&quot; style=&quot;top: 4321.15 px;&quot;&gt;...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;

etc.

Why are some pages being made invisible?  Why is the top number sometime very inaccurate?
I do not see that I am doing anything to cause this, and so it needs to be fixed at a different level, that I have no access to.

This problem does not occur, however, when the page is set to &quot;page links within text&quot;. The page numbers all show up then. In any case, I have no idea why some pages numbers are being set to &quot;pagenumber-invisible&quot; by the transclusion process.

Any assistance to get to the bottom of this challenging issue would be appreciated. This is the first time I have noticed the page numbers being messed up like this, and I would not mind knowing why

[[User:PWidergren|PWidergren]] ([[User talk:PWidergren|talk]]) 12:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

:What redirects did I make, again? Sorry, short memory here. From peeking at the edit histories here and there, it does seem to me, that I did a redirectless move, as is usual. Redirects from page moves due to title corrections (misspelt words, wrong case, and the like) should not be created and should be deleted under [[WS:CSD#M2]]. I should be able to do that fairly easily. How many have you left?
:On transclusion and the page numbers: these are put there by local JS, namely [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js]].
:I am not seeing hidden pagenums on my end, at least not on the page you pointed at. If it's on another page, please give a link. And, what browser are you on?
:So, in a nutshell, after a lot of rummaging: please paste &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt; in your console on the relevant page, and check whether it says &quot;Page links displayed&quot; or &quot;Page links hidden&quot;.
:For context: there are two possible conditions for the &lt;code&gt;pagenumber-invisible&lt;/code&gt; class to be added:
:* Either an underlying variable described by the text mentioned above corresponds to &quot;hidden&quot;,
:* or the page spans are closer than five pixels. The positions are not exactly as measured by the top property, but long story short it comes down to the same thing: these 6 pagespans are not too close, and so in fact only the first condition matters.
:Back to &lt;code&gt;$(&quot;#d-pageNumbers_visible span&quot;).html()&lt;/code&gt;:
:If it says &quot;hidden&quot;: at any rate, I have an entirely new problem I need to get to know before I can get properly angry at it. Try clicking on the link with that text, in the left toolbar. Tell me what happens.
:If it says &quot;displayed&quot;: I'm going to get really annoyed and bash my head against my keyboard.&lt;sup&gt;[joking, not really going to do that]&lt;/sup&gt; Then probably will rereread that again and try to find out where I was wrong.
:Cheers, — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

== [[User:Inductiveload/Scripts/Page shifter.py]] ==

Note to self: read that and try to get the hang of it. As it stands we've got no one to process that kind of requests. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:07, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

== Poetry collections and LibriVox ==

Hi, one of the many things I do is record audiobooks over on LibriVox with the intention of linking them back here. I'm coming to the end of recording a volume of [[Author:Thomas Bracken|Thomas Bracken]]'s poems. As our current main poetry proofreader, do you have a couple of collections that you think should have a priority for recording? (I do the recordings under the same username.) [[User:Beeswaxcandle|Beeswaxcandle]] ([[User talk:Beeswaxcandle|talk]]) 17:29, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a list of stuff that's mentioned in WP lists, that we have and that rings a bell to me:
:* [[Tamerlane and Other Poems (1884)]]
:* [[The Tower (Yeats)]]
:* [[Poems and Baudelaire Flowers]]
:* [[Poems (Rossetti, 1901)]]
:* [[In the Seven Woods]]
:* [[The Seven Seas]]
:A few other ideas, of collections I proofread and liked:
:* [[Poems (Nora May French)]]
:* [[Poems (Rowe)]]
:* [[Fiddler's Farewell]]
:* [[Poems (Hoffman)]]
:These are all only ideas, and I don't know if anything really has a &quot;priority&quot; around here.
:Seeing how we appear to have none of Bracken's collections, perhaps you'd be interested in me proofreading it? If there's ever some piece of poetry you'd like to get done, feel free to add at [[User:Alien333/Poetry requests]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 18:35, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: fix [[User:Inductiveload/jump to file]] ==

... whenever I find time. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

:Also think about maybe adding edit to [[MediaWiki:Gadget-PageNumbers-core.js#L-658]] for in-page previewing stuff. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 14:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== CSS color.. ==

I did a sweep for some tags.  However I'd appreciate a review of my recent efforts before I move onto ns0 and ns104 in greater depth. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

: Now doing ns104 (Page) using AWB. I would REALLY appreciate someone reviewing the efforts, to make sure I've not broken a huge amount of pages(but predicatably).. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 17:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe wait a bit, do something else. Or request at [[WS:S]]. I won't have much time on my hands in the next few days. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 17:44, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

== Selfpromotional photos ==

Hi. I have noticed that you deleted the page Abdulsalam Abass Adeyinka. This page contained, among others, a selfpromotional photo of some youngster. When deleting such pages, just consider nominating similar photos for deletion at Commons too. Adding &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;{{SD|F10}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to the file's page is usually enough. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:27, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
:And checking their upload history usually reveals more deletion candidates too :-) --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 21:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

== links a redirects ==

Sometimes it is also necessary to fix the headers of each subpage when there were absolute links used instead of relative ones, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favourite_Songs_%28Glasgow%29%2FGo%2C_Yarrow_Flower&amp;diff=14940614&amp;oldid=14940597 here], + broken redirects, like [https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Four_Favorite_Songs_(2)/The_Sailor%27s_Journal&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1]. Sometimes it helps not only checking &quot;what links here&quot; for every deleted page and subpage, but also &quot;page information&quot; --&gt; &quot;number of subpages&quot; to check whether the deleted page does not have some unnoticed subpages. -- [[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:I've automated that sort of stuff for deletion, but I sometimes forget it for moves (about headers, though, why do people use absolute links?) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:42, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::Yeah, absolute links are a pain. Probably some unexperienced editor. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 10:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Litanies and ppoem again ==

Hello, I hope your coding brain can spot my error.  I copied/pasted from the Litany of the Holy Name that we worked so hard on together back in January, but the second page of the litany I'm now trying to do is spitting the code back in my face and laughing at me.  Please help!  [[Blessed be God (Callan)/Devotions To Saint Joseph]].  I shall be eternally grateful (again), [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}! You'd closed the table (with |}) at the end of [[Page:Blessedbegodcomp00call.pdf/487]]'s body, which meant that the table was stopped there. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
::Glorious!  I thank you!!    I should've titled this &quot;Litanies and ppoem and tables again&quot; -- tables are not my friend, gotta do more reps. [[User:Laura1822|Laura1822]] ([[User talk:Laura1822|talk]]) 17:11, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

== To self: Patrol color change story ==

open a ticket at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/9bded5ab2f556bfbd0628026dd291e5fbd4686a8/resources/src/mediawiki.special/newpages.less or underlying codex — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 20:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:And dhr correction in AK. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

== Headers/// ==

Was the header here, meant to be as lo contrast against the background?
[[The_story_of_saiva_saints/62._THIRU_VARURPPIRANTHAR]]

I thought these had a distinct color.
[[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: We need to start setting this directly on Wikisource over relying on Codex values that get redefined. [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 20:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

== Can you validate? ==

Hey Alien333, sorry to bother you, but basically I have been making the Emily Dickinson poems consistent- removing spaces at end, removing the uc template etc. Though I'm not marking them validated bcs I don't want to mess anything up due to my inexperinece, so can you validate? All the yellows are mine, except the first few(and the last, which I'm doing right now). [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

:(Don't remove the {{tl|uc}} template. Technically, it is slightly better to use it for the capitalised first words of poems. I'm not going to, but someone may want to readd them.)
:Thanks for the effort. On validating: I have a great lot of experience as a poetry proofreader. If I'd done only this, I could have finished it in a bit less than a day (the same could be said of other users). This to say that for the POTM, which is there to help new users learn stuff, often we prefer not to get involved ''too much'', else it'd be done in no time. So, I'd be perhaps more for letting new users learn by validating the few yellow pages, and then doing a final quality check and correction at the very end. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::I actually removed a lot of them, should I continue or not? I was removing them bcs Dickinson's poetry usually has weird capitals, so I thought I should just remove them, for consistency. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 19:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I'd be of the opinion that removing them or not really doesn't change much. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
::::I decided to remove them. I marked all as proofread, and more or less removed the errors. I'll leave the validating for other new editors. I technically am new to WikiSource, but I probably should have left some of the error corrections to other new editors as well. [[User:DoctorWhoFan91|DoctorWhoFan91]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan91|talk]]) 20:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

== Verses from Maoriland ==

Thanks for adding this. I've chucked it into the monthly challenge, since its nice and short. I've also added it to the transcription list on [[Portal:New Zealand]]. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

:Just in case you didn't see: it's currently the POTM. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
::Whoops. Should it be removed from the monthly challenge then? I know things aren't usually double-listed. [[User:IdiotSavant|IdiotSavant]] ([[User talk:IdiotSavant|talk]]) 00:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
:::I don't know. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

== Poems Plunkett.djvu ==

The foreword is by Geraldine Plunkett, who died in 1986, so this file may need to be hosted on Wikisource. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 18:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

:Indeed! imported to here with PWB, and requested deletion at com. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

== cmbb and WikisourceMono ==

Hi, I want to use the cmbb script but it changes the [[Wikisource:WikisourceMono|WikisourceMono]] font in the editing box to the default font. I wonder if there is any way to not make this happen. Thanks, [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 18:30, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:(I said and then erased some stuff that turned out to be false.)
:So in the end, just add &lt;code&gt;.cmbb-line,&lt;/code&gt; between line 2 and 3 of your common.css. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:04, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 19:08, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:::(Oh, and if you have any feedback please do tell me.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:Aand of course it wasn't totally false. So, @[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]]: in wikisourcemono, bold is a tiny bit larger than non-bold. Can that be changed? — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::&lt;s&gt;@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: at any rate, add &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;css&quot; inline&gt;.cmbb-temp, .cmbb-para, .cmbb-pars, .cmbb-tabl, .cmbb-bold { font-size:12.66px }&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; on the side as a temporary fix. bold is about 2.6% larger, so if we make the bold stuff 2.6% smaller, it compensates. If we don't do that, the overlay can get out of sync with the texbox. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/s&gt;
:::(Working on a setting to do this sort of stuff without having to know the gruely details.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
::::{{done}}. @[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: Now just put &lt;syntaxhighlight lang=&quot;js&quot; inline&gt;window.cmbbusewikisourcemono = true;&lt;/syntaxhighlight&gt; '''above''' the import of this script. It should work fine. (This also does that the code that's at [[WS:WikisourceMono]] does, so you don't need that anymore.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 19:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Prospectprospekt|Prospectprospekt]]: you may be interested: I made [https://github.com/agoujot/WikisourceMono/blob/fixbold/WikisourceMono-Bold.ttf a corresponding bold file] for the font, as else bold is barely distinguishable. Just put it next to the regular file and it should work. (if you do that, you need to after add window.cmbbfixedbold to the options, to deactivate code that compensates). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

== Pran of Albania ==

Do I correctly recall that you are able to generate DjVu files from content at IA?  If so, could you do so for [https://archive.org/details/pranofalbania00mill Pran of Albania] for next month's Monthly Challenge?  This is a Newbery Honor volume.  Despite the publication date of 1941 on this print, the copyright date is 1929, and this is merely a later reprint.  As a US publication from 1929, it is PD in the country of origin, and therefore suitable for upload to Commons. Thanks for any help you can provide. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I can, conversion started (getting the right DPI on the pdf to djvu conversion requires retrying a few times, so this will probably take at least two hours). — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:There you go [[c:File:Pran_of_Albania.djvu]]! Sorry, it took me a while. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 09:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks, but are you sure the file uploaded correctly?  I'm getting an error from [[Wikisource:Community collaboration/Monthly Challenge/May 2025|the MC listing page]] and from the [[Index:Pran of Albania.djvu|Index]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:17, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::It's just the usual Invalid Interval story. Purged file and index, fixed. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:19, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  The Index and such are ready for next month's MC. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 16:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== State regarding the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 Amendment Act 1875 ==

Hello [[User:Alien333|Alien333]],

Just a quick question, what is the current state regarding my [[Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867, Amendment Act 1875|WikiSource]] page which is up for deletion. Has it survived or is it planned to be deleted?

Kind regards, &lt;br&gt; [[User:Duck Dur|Duck Dur]] ([[User talk:Duck Dur|talk]]) 11:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think it's going to be deleted, but we'll see. These things aren't really certain.
: (Don't keep waiting, that sort of stuff can take months.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 11:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

== [[:Index:NBS_Circular_553.djvu]] ==

Can you look this over? It's mostly the tables I want validated eventually [[User:ShakespeareFan00|ShakespeareFan00]] ([[User talk:ShakespeareFan00|talk]]) 22:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think I'll be doing much work on that. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== The Runaway Papoose ==

Please, could you prepare a DjVu of [https://archive.org/details/runawaypapoose00moon] to be used in the July MC?  The author is American, and the book was published in 1928, so it can be uploaded to [[:commons:Category:Works by Grace Moon]]. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
: Conversion started. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 07:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
: There you go: [[c:File:The Runaway Papoose.djvu]]. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 10:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1933]] (23 &amp; 24 Geo. 5 c. 12), an UK Act of Parliament that created the offence of cruelty to persons under 16 apart from other offences for child protection (Part I). Act also regulated children employment (Part II), their rights in criminal procedure (Part III) and institutions for juvenile offenders (Part IV).
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*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1963]] (c. 37), an UK Act of Parliament that provided for the welfare of children and young persons. Act also amends the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 and Children and Young Persons (Scotland) Act 1937
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1969]] (c. 54), an UK Act of Parliament that governed the criminal procedure for juvenile offenders.
*[[Children and Young Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1968]] (c. 34 (N.I.)), a Act of the Northern Ireland Parliament that re-enacts the Children and Young Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1950 with amendment.
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1974]] (1974 No. 72), a New Zealand Act providing for similar issues. Repealed by the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989/Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 (1989 No. 24)
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1989]] (Vic.), a Victorian Act that was repealed by the [[Children, Youth and Families Act 2005]] (Vic.).
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1993]], a Singaporean Act that provides for similar issues covered by Children and Young Persons Act 1933.
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*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1933]] (23 &amp; 24 Geo. 5 c. 12), an UK Act of Parliament that created the offence of cruelty to persons under 16 apart from other offences for child protection (Part I). Act also regulated children employment (Part II), their rights in criminal procedure (Part III) and institutions for juvenile offenders (Part IV).
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*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1963]] (c. 37), an UK Act of Parliament that provided for the welfare of children and young persons. Act also amends the Children and Young Persons Act 1933 and Children and Young Persons (Scotland) Act 1937
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1969]] (c. 54), an UK Act of Parliament that governed the criminal procedure for juvenile offenders.
*[[Children and Young Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1968]] (c. 34 (N.I.)), a Act of the Northern Ireland Parliament that re-enacts the Children and Young Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1950 with amendment.
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1974]] (1974 No. 72), a New Zealand Act providing for similar issues. Repealed by the Children, Young Persons, and Their Families Act 1989/Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 (1989 No. 24)
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1989]] (Vic.), a Victorian Act that was repealed by the [[Children, Youth and Families Act 2005]] (Vic.).
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 1993]], a Singaporean Act that provides for similar issues covered by Children and Young Persons Act 1933.
*[[Children and Young Persons Act 2008]] (c. 23), an UK Act of Parliament that amends various Acts to provide for general child welfare.

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{{di|S}}PEAKING of the lighting of the fires of civil war in this country in the years 1860 and 1861, Charles Francis Adams said, in 1873, &quot;One single hour of the will displayed by General Jackson would have stifled the fire in its cradle.&quot; The metaphor in the last phrase is peculiar, and strangely Celtic for a Yankee, but the history is true.

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It does not seem to Americans of the present generation that there was ever a moment, after the election of Abraham Lincoln, when the Civil War could have been averted. It appears, in retrospect, to have been absolutely inevitable. Yet there was certainly one moment when, if President Buchanan had had the courage to apply the general views which he himself advanced in his annual message to Congress of December 3, 1860, and his special message of January 8, 1861, which explicitly denied the right of secession, a halt might have been called to the growing rebellion.

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In 1833 South Carolina had ordained nullification, but its ordinance was so instantly and heavily repressed by President Andrew Jackson that the State was absolutely unable to carry it out, or to move hand or foot. But now, in 1860, it did not merely ordain nullification—it enacted it. Every Federal judge, every judicial servant, and nearly every Federal official, in South Carolina, resigned, and the nation was left without an agent to enforce its laws, for no new ones were sent in. The United States authority in the State was at an end, save for the custom house at Charleston and Fort Moultrie in Charleston harbor.

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At this time North Carolina and Virginia were opposed to secession. Governor Sam Houston, of Texas, stood like a rock against it. Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, never seceded. Other States were wavering. A great deal depended on the degree of success which South Carolina, the leader in the revolt, might have. And it was Buchanan who permitted South Carolina's success to become apparently complete, though in the message to which I have referred the president declared that secession was &quot;wholly inconsistent with the Constitution,&quot; that &quot;no human power could absolve him (the president) from his duty to enforce the laws,&quot; and that the danger of national disruption was upon the country. Buchanan, in his December message, actually quoted Jackson's solemn denunciation of the doctrine that a State had a right to separate itself from the Union.
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It was a time for the strong arm, and for quick, decisive, Jacksonian, and not at all squeamish, action. But no such action was taken. The golden moment was lost, and when, three months afterward, Lincoln came in at last, war, with all its horrors, was upon the country.

If the young rebellion had been truly nipped in the bud, as it might have been, by a rigid enforcement, in November and December, 1860, of Federal judicial processes in South Carolina; if the laws of the United States had been enforced in that State at the point of the bayonet, if need be; if a Federal functionary, sustained by an ample force of United States troops, had torn South Carolina's ordinance of secession into&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Very likely it might not have been necessary to do any of these things. If Buchanan had merely stood up and said, as Jackson did in 1833, &quot;I shall enforce the laws of the United States in spite of any and all resistance that may be made,&quot; there might well have been no more of secession in 1860 or 1861 than there had been of real nullification in 1833.

And if this step had been taken, and there had been no war, what then? What about slavery? it may be asked. Is it conceivable that northern sentiment would have permitted chattel slavery to continue? Was not war inevitable on that main question alone? Let us see. The sentiment for absolute and sudden emancipation was the product of the war.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Without war, but with the Southern States held within the Union, sentiment in the North would have been favorable to a compromise which would have prevented the extension of slavery; and events would surely have brought about a gradual liberation of the blacks in the South, as events soon ended slavery in Brazil and Cuba. The institution was doomed, morally and economically.

But there would have been no negro suffrage. That was enforced by conditions which grew out of the war. The South would not have been impoverished, and it could have afforded a gradual education of the negro in such a way as to fit him for free industry, and, in a limited way, for the exercise of the suffrage. There would have been no disturbing reversal of the position of the two races, to be followed by a violent res-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And where, at Antietam, at Gettysburg, at Fredericksburg, at Chattanooga, and on many humbler fields, the flags wave over the even ranks of myriads of soldier graves, the mocking-birds would sing in thickets which the bullet's hiss and the shriek of the shell had never profaned, while their teeming populations of dead men would either be alive to-day or entombed among their loved ones after lives of peaceful usefulness.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{di|T}}HERE have been a great many attempts to excuse or minimize the failure of General Joseph E. Johnston to follow up the tremendous Confederate victory won by his second in command, General G. T. Beauregard, at Bull Run, July 21, 1861. That the Federal army was beaten literally to a pulp there can be no doubt. General Irwin McDowell, who commanded the Union forces, officially reported, after the battle, that all his troops were in flight &quot;in a state of utter disorganization.&quot; &quot;They could not,&quot; he&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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There are a good many &quot;ifs&quot; in connection with the actual fighting of the battle of Bull Run, but this &quot;if&quot; that comes after it—if the elated and triumphant Confederate army had immediately advanced to the Potomac, invested the intrenchments at Arlington Heights and, very likely, effected a crossing above or near the Great Falls of the river, and flanked the capital of the Union—is the greatest and most interesting of them all.

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The commonly accepted explanation of the matter is that the Confederates were &quot;almost as much disorganized by victory as the Federals were by defeat;&quot; that they had no fresh troops and no cavalry with which to pursue, and that Arlington Heights were too well fortified to be attacked.

But General Beauregard, sore at the attempt to rob him of the laurels of victory, has been able to show that all of the Confederate brigades of Ewell, Holmes, D. R. Jones and Longstreet, and two regiments of Bonham's brigade, were perfectly fresh and unharmed after the fight; that Early's brigade had hardly been under fire; that new regiments had&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Apparently nothing but shame on the Northern side, and an unwillingness on the Southern side to discredit their great generals, has prevented a full acknowledgment of the fatal tactics which prevented an advance on the Potomac after Bull Run.

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There was an important party among the Confederates from the western Southern States—it was led by Postmaster-General John H. Reagan and included General Albert Sidney Johnston—who believed in advancing at the very outset into Kentucky and making the Ohio River the first line of Southern defense. The plan was rejected by Davis and his advisers. It was an unfortunate re-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Even as matters were, the position of the Union was highly precarious all through the summer and autumn of 1861. There were signs of a demand for peace in the North. Lincoln's own party was turning against him. The sympathy of Europe was rapidly passing over to the Confederacy. But so long as Lincoln stood firm in the White House and Congress sat at the capital, &quot;the gov-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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This was not the last time that opportunity knocked at the door of the Confederacy. It knocked again, and loudly, as will be shown in the next chapter, the same year. Either event, taken alone, appears decisive. For as we contemplate the events of the 21st of July, 1861, it quite appears as if the flag of two republics—three, perhaps, and conceivably four—might have been flying over this great American domain to-day if Johnston had pressed his advance down the Warrenton turnpike early Monday morning, July 22d. Wars, divisions, European intrusion, retrogression and darkness would have been America's&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{di|I}}N the preceding chapter I have noted the disastrous consequences of the rejection of John H. Reagan's plan, urged at Montgomery at the very foundation of the Confederacy, for the prompt occupation of the south bank of the Ohio River as the advanced line of defense, and the equally unfavorable result of the failure of Johnston to press on to the Potomac after the great success at Manassas. Gettysburg was a pivotal combat, also; for if Lee had been supported by Stuart's cavalry on that&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But there was a narrower contingency than either one of these. To a positively decisive extent, the success of the National forces in subjugating the Southern States turned on the sea power. The conquest of the Confederacy was in fact a matter of supreme difficulty as it was; and if the South had possessed a respectable navy, and had been able to keep its ports open and steadily exchange its cotton in Europe for the materials and munitions of war, the conquest would not have been possible at all.

The chance for the establishment of such a navy lay within the grasp of the Confederate statesmen, and was by them let slip. Neither they, nor any one else at the time, realized how easy the thing would have been.

It is first necessary to explain in what situation the National government was, at the outset of the war,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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By what means could the Confederacy have forestalled the North in the provision of a really effective navy? The chance, as I have said, was offered, and declined, with fatal want of foresight. It lay in the ten steamships of the English East India Company, which in 1861 was winding up its affairs. These ships were offered to the Confederacy at a fair valuation. They were very good vessels, and capable of prompt armoring in at least as effective a style as that&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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British outfitters were perfectly willing to trust the Southern statesmen. The ships could have been armed in a few weeks; there was nothing to prevent their entrance into Southern ports, for the blockade was not made effective until one year after the war broke out. The ''Otero,'' renamed by the Confederates the ''Florida,'' had no difficulty in taking on her men and guns in the Bahamas.

Possessed of ten good steam vessels, commanded by such men as Maury, Maffitt of the ''Florida,'' and Semmes of the ''Alabama,'' the Confederacy could have quickly overcome its lack of mechanics and workshops by importation from Europe. It was the command of the Mississippi, the Cumberland and the Tennessee rivers which &quot;broke the back of the Con-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The start which these ten ships would have given a Confederate navy would have more than put the South even with the North on the sea. It must be remembered that up to 1862, even as it was, the South could do better in the courts and exchanges of Europe than the Union could. Why? Because the South had the cotton, upon which the mills of Europe depended. The continued chance to market cotton would have saved the situation for the South. ''Alabamas'' in any requisite number would have issued from British shipyards.

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President Jefferson Davis declined the offer of the East India ships for the apparent reason that the military necessities of the Confederacy pressed hard upon the financial resources of the new government. Every member of his government was quite thoroughly convinced that the National power could not successfully invade the South, provided a strong army were quickly put into the field. The ready material for good soldiers was much more abundant in the South than in the North; nearly all Southern men were horsemen, hunters,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Confederate leaders counted upon making permanent the advantage which they were confident of gaining in the field at the outset. To purchase out of hand ten steamships, from resources that were yet to be created, and with the manhood of seven States demanding to be armed, looked, indeed, like madness. And yet this was the very card which, if played, would have saved the Confederacy's game.

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Freed from the unceasing coast menace and from the danger of being cut in two along the rivers, the effectiveness of the land forces would have been more than doubled. Leaving out of the account the possibility of offensive operations against Washington and the cities of the North, the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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With the English East India Company, it was a case of &quot;take our ships or leave them.&quot; The South left them, and with them it left its chance for independence and for putting two mediocre American republics in the place where one great one, after that decisive moment, was bound to stand forever.

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 | section  = Reader Unit 3
 | previous = [[../Reader Unit 2|Reader Unit 2]]
 | next     = [[../Reader Unit 4|Reader Unit 4]]
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And hope for guerdon of my villanie. &gt;&gt;&gt;''Exit''.

&lt;&gt;''Enter Horatio and Bel-Imperia''.

{{em}}''Bel''. Signior ''Horatio'', this is the place and houre,
Wherein I must intreat thee to relate,
The circumstance of ''Don Andreas'' death:
Who liuing was my garlands sweetest flower,
And in his death hath buried my delights.

{{em}}''Hor''. For loue of him, and seruice to your selfe,
I will refuse this heauie dolefull charge:
Yet teares and sighes I feare will hinder me.
When both our Armies were enioynd in fight,
Your worthy Chauilier admidst the thickst,
For glorious cause still aiming at the fairest,
Was at the last by yong ''Don Balthazar'',
Encountred hand to hand: their fight was long,
There hearts were great, their clamours menacing,
Their strength alike, their strokes both dangerous.
But wrathfull ''Nemesis'' that wicked power,
Enuying at ''Andreas'' praise and worth,
Cut short his life to end his praise and worth,
She, she her selfe disguisde in armours maske,
(As ''Pallas'' was before proud ''Pergamus'':)
Brought in a fresh supply of Halberdiers,
{{anchor|WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182}}Which pauncht his horse, and dingd him to the ground:
Then yong ''Don Balthazar'' with ruthles rage,
Taking aduantage of his foes distresse,
Did finish what his Halberdiers begun,
And left not till ''Andreas'' life was done.
Then though too late incenst with iust remorce,
I with my band set forth against the Prince,
And brought him prisoner from his Halberdiers.

{{em}}''Bel''. Would thou hadst slaine him that so slew my loue.
But then was ''Don Andreas'' carkasse lost?

{{em}}''Hor''. No, that was it for which I chiefly stroue,
Nor stept I backe till I recouered him:
I tooke him vp and wound him in mine armes.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|And}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

Hello again. What language is this work in ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 06:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is a work in Latin about the English language. There are many passages such as Psalms and Spenserian poetry in English written in a phonetic alphabet. Since the scans have two pages to a single Index page, I moved my transcription/translation work here instead: [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu|Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur]]. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 03:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::Oh ! How complicated ! Thanks. Good luck. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you as well! [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 05:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So should the original index be deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that might be the best option for now. I don't know how to deal with Index pages that show two pages of the actual work at once, but there may be a discussion about it already e.g. for manuscripts. At the very least the original file should still be kept on Commons for archival purposes. Thanks. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 14:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::OK - but I don't see any reason to keep that index on wikisource - I have put it for deletion here - [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Logonomia_Anglica,_1621.pdf]]. I agree that the scan on Commons can be left there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Compendio de la arte de la lengua tagala (1787)/Book 1]] ==

Please note that English wikisource requires that there be a scan-backed copy in the original language before it accepts a user translation into English. [[WS:Translations#Wikisource_original_translations]] Is there one for this ?

Also, why did you use override author and not link the author ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm working on a transcription of the original Spanish, I just have to fix some formatting and semantic tagging issues.
:I plan to create an author page for Gaspar de San Agustín soon, but I honestly don't know what elements it should have and what categories to place it in.
:A follow-up question: can Translation: pages have translated titles or should they have the original language title? [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks.
::If you click on the tool, you just need to include the name (and first two letters of the surname), a work and copyright licence. Other things can be added later.
::I don't know if there is a rule about the titles - but I think normally they are translated. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, this is really helpful. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::One other thing - I suggest that you move parts on to sub-pages rather than having all on the work's main page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

Hello again. What language is this work in ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 06:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is a work in Latin about the English language. There are many passages such as Psalms and Spenserian poetry in English written in a phonetic alphabet. Since the scans have two pages to a single Index page, I moved my transcription/translation work here instead: [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu|Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur]]. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 03:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::Oh ! How complicated ! Thanks. Good luck. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you as well! [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 05:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So should the original index be deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that might be the best option for now. I don't know how to deal with Index pages that show two pages of the actual work at once, but there may be a discussion about it already e.g. for manuscripts. At the very least the original file should still be kept on Commons for archival purposes. Thanks. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 14:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::OK - but I don't see any reason to keep that index on wikisource - I have put it for deletion here - [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Logonomia_Anglica,_1621.pdf]]. I agree that the scan on Commons can be left there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Compendio de la arte de la lengua tagala (1787)/Book 1]] ==

Please note that English wikisource requires that there be a scan-backed copy in the original language before it accepts a user translation into English. [[WS:Translations#Wikisource_original_translations]] Is there one for this ?

Also, why did you use override author and not link the author ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm working on a transcription of the original Spanish, I just have to fix some formatting and semantic tagging issues.
:I plan to create an author page for Gaspar de San Agustín soon, but I honestly don't know what elements it should have and what categories to place it in.
:A follow-up question: can Translation: pages have translated titles or should they have the original language title? [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks.
::If you click on the tool, you just need to include the name (and first two letters of the surname), a work and copyright licence. Other things can be added later.
::I don't know if there is a rule about the titles - but I think normally they are translated. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, this is really helpful. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. One other thing - I suggest that you move parts on to sub-pages rather than having all on the work's main page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

Hello again. What language is this work in ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 06:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is a work in Latin about the English language. There are many passages such as Psalms and Spenserian poetry in English written in a phonetic alphabet. Since the scans have two pages to a single Index page, I moved my transcription/translation work here instead: [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu|Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur]]. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 03:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::Oh ! How complicated ! Thanks. Good luck. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you as well! [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 05:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So should the original index be deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that might be the best option for now. I don't know how to deal with Index pages that show two pages of the actual work at once, but there may be a discussion about it already e.g. for manuscripts. At the very least the original file should still be kept on Commons for archival purposes. Thanks. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 14:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::OK - but I don't see any reason to keep that index on wikisource - I have put it for deletion here - [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Logonomia_Anglica,_1621.pdf]]. I agree that the scan on Commons can be left there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Compendio de la arte de la lengua tagala (1787)/Book 1]] ==

Please note that English wikisource requires that there be a scan-backed copy in the original language before it accepts a user translation into English. [[WS:Translations#Wikisource_original_translations]] Is there one for this ?

Also, why did you use override author and not link the author ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm working on a transcription of the original Spanish, I just have to fix some formatting and semantic tagging issues.
:I plan to create an author page for Gaspar de San Agustín soon, but I honestly don't know what elements it should have and what categories to place it in.
:A follow-up question: can Translation: pages have translated titles or should they have the original language title? [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks.
::If you click on the tool, you just need to include the name (and first two letters of the surname), a work and copyright licence. Other things can be added later.
::I don't know if there is a rule about the titles - but I think normally they are translated. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, this is really helpful. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. One other thing - I suggest that you move parts on to sub-pages rather than having all on the work's main page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh – I was actually inspired by the Project Gutenberg layout for this, and personally found it easier to search for certain spelling attestations this way. I will separate the front matter and the 2nd half (&quot;Book II&quot;) of the book, though, and possibly rewrite some of the existing wikicode to be accommodate this possibility. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

Hello again. What language is this work in ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 06:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is a work in Latin about the English language. There are many passages such as Psalms and Spenserian poetry in English written in a phonetic alphabet. Since the scans have two pages to a single Index page, I moved my transcription/translation work here instead: [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu|Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur]]. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 03:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::Oh ! How complicated ! Thanks. Good luck. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you as well! [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 05:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So should the original index be deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that might be the best option for now. I don't know how to deal with Index pages that show two pages of the actual work at once, but there may be a discussion about it already e.g. for manuscripts. At the very least the original file should still be kept on Commons for archival purposes. Thanks. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 14:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::OK - but I don't see any reason to keep that index on wikisource - I have put it for deletion here - [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Logonomia_Anglica,_1621.pdf]]. I agree that the scan on Commons can be left there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Compendio de la arte de la lengua tagala (1787)/Book 1]] ==

Please note that English wikisource requires that there be a scan-backed copy in the original language before it accepts a user translation into English. [[WS:Translations#Wikisource_original_translations]] Is there one for this ?

Also, why did you use override author and not link the author ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm working on a transcription of the original Spanish, I just have to fix some formatting and semantic tagging issues.
:I plan to create an author page for Gaspar de San Agustín soon, but I honestly don't know what elements it should have and what categories to place it in.
:A follow-up question: can Translation: pages have translated titles or should they have the original language title? [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks.
::If you click on the tool, you just need to include the name (and first two letters of the surname), a work and copyright licence. Other things can be added later.
::I don't know if there is a rule about the titles - but I think normally they are translated. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, this is really helpful. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. One other thing - I suggest that you move parts on to sub-pages rather than having all on the work's main page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh – I was actually inspired by the Project Gutenberg layout for this, and personally found it easier to search for certain spelling attestations this way. I will separate the front matter and the 2nd half (&quot;Book II&quot;) of the book, though, and possibly rewrite some of the existing wikicode to be accommodate this possibility. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::Project Gutenberg seems to rarely take advantage of being on the internet - they seem to expect most people to download ebooks. Here on wikisource, I think that most books of any length are split onto sub-pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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== [[Index:Logonomia Anglica, 1621.pdf]] ==

Hello again. What language is this work in ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 06:37, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

:This is a work in Latin about the English language. There are many passages such as Psalms and Spenserian poetry in English written in a phonetic alphabet. Since the scans have two pages to a single Index page, I moved my transcription/translation work here instead: [[Index:Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur.djvu|Logonomia anglica qua gentis sermo facilius addiscitur]]. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 03:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::Oh ! How complicated ! Thanks. Good luck. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:09, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you as well! [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 05:19, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
::::So should the original index be deleted ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 04:53, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that might be the best option for now. I don't know how to deal with Index pages that show two pages of the actual work at once, but there may be a discussion about it already e.g. for manuscripts. At the very least the original file should still be kept on Commons for archival purposes. Thanks. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 14:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::OK - but I don't see any reason to keep that index on wikisource - I have put it for deletion here - [[Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#Index:Logonomia_Anglica,_1621.pdf]]. I agree that the scan on Commons can be left there. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== [[Translation:Compendio de la arte de la lengua tagala (1787)/Book 1]] ==

Please note that English wikisource requires that there be a scan-backed copy in the original language before it accepts a user translation into English. [[WS:Translations#Wikisource_original_translations]] Is there one for this ?

Also, why did you use override author and not link the author ? -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm working on a transcription of the original Spanish, I just have to fix some formatting and semantic tagging issues.
:I plan to create an author page for Gaspar de San Agustín soon, but I honestly don't know what elements it should have and what categories to place it in.
:A follow-up question: can Translation: pages have translated titles or should they have the original language title? [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks.
::If you click on the tool, you just need to include the name (and first two letters of the surname), a work and copyright licence. Other things can be added later.
::I don't know if there is a rule about the titles - but I think normally they are translated. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, this is really helpful. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::Cheers. One other thing - I suggest that you move parts on to sub-pages rather than having all on the work's main page. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh – I was actually inspired by the Project Gutenberg layout for this, and personally found it easier to search for certain spelling attestations this way. I will separate the front matter and the 2nd half (&quot;Book II&quot;) of the book, though, and possibly rewrite some of the existing wikicode to be accommodate this possibility. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 00:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::Project Gutenberg seems to rarely take advantage of being on the internet - they seem to expect most people to download ebooks. Here on wikisource, I think that most books of any length are split onto sub-pages. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 01:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Good point. I'll figure it out once the second book is translated. I would prefer not to split sections if they are too short, but I believe the next half's chapters might be a bit longer. [[User:ColossalMemer|ColossalMemer]] ([[User talk:ColossalMemer#top|talk]]) 02:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)</text>
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* [[Author:John Jones (1645-1709)|John Jones]] (1645-1709), Welsh cleric, inventor and physician
* [[Author:John Jones (b. c. 1770)|John Jones]] (b. ''c.'' 1770), British journal editor
* [[Author:John Pike Jones|John Pike Jones]] (1791/1790–1857), English political activist and antiquarian
* [[Author:John Winston Jones|John Winston Jones]] (1791–1848), American politician and lawyer
* [[Author:John Winter Jones|John Winter Jones]] (1805–1881), English librarian
* [[Author:John Jones (1810-1869)|John Jones]] (1810-1869), Welsh poet and architect
* [[Author:John William Jones|John William Jones]] (1836–1909), American clergyman
* [[Author:John Jones (1851-?)|John Jones]] (1851–?), English physicist

===See also===
* [[Author:John Morris-Jones]]</text>
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&lt;&gt; I.
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::Shall {{ls}}ee the Rump can cleave Sirs,
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::''Lenthal’s'' the fir{{ls}}t o’ the Lump {{ls}}ure,
::A Fart, and he may jump {{ls}}ure,
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::That Mine of Fraud Sir ''Arthur'',
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&lt;&gt; IIII.
::Sir ''Harry Vane,'' God ble{{ls}}{{ls}}e us,
::To Popery he would pre{{ls}}{{ls}}e us,
And for the Devil’s dinner he, the ''Romane'' way would dre{{ls}}{{ls}}e us.

&lt;&gt; V.
::''Harry Martin'' never mi{{ls}}t-a,
::To love the wanton Twi{{ls}}t-a,
And lu{{ls}}tfull Aretine’s bawdy Leaves are his Evangeli{{ls}}t-a.

&lt;&gt; VI.
::''Harry Nevill’s'' no Wigeon,
::His practi{{ls}}e truly {{ls}}tygian,
Makes it a Ma{{ls}}ter-piece of wit to be of no Religion.

&lt;&gt; VII.
::But my good Lord ''Glyn'' Man,
::Pride is a deadly {{ls}}inne Man,
Cots pluttera nails few Traitors be like you of all your kin Man.

&lt;&gt; VIII.
::If ''Saint-John'' be a Saint Sir,
::He hath a Devili{{ls}}h Taynt Sir,
While ''Strafford’s'' blood in Heavens High Court of Ju{{ls}}tice makes complaint Sir.

&lt;&gt; IX.
::Doctor ''Palmer’s'' all day {{ls}}leeping,
::And into his Heart ne’re peeping;
’Tis ill he that neglects his own, {{ls}}hould have All-{{ls}}ouls in keeping.

&lt;&gt; X.
::''Will. Bruertons'' a {{ls}}inner,
::And, ''Croyden'' knowes, a Winner,
But O take heed lea{{ls}}t he do eat the Rump all at one Dinner.

&lt;&gt; XI.
::''Robin Andrews'' is a Mi{{ls}}er,
::Of Coblers no de{{ls}}pi{{ls}}er,
And could they vamp him a new Head, perhaps he would be Wi{{ls}}er.

&lt;&gt; XII.
::{{fqm|*}}But Baron ''Wild'' come out here,
::Shew your Ferret face and Snout here,
For you being both a Fool and Knave are a Mon{{ls}}ter in the Rout here.

&lt;&gt; XIII.
::''Nick Lechmere'' Loyalty needs {{ls}}till,
::And on Weather-cocks he feeds {{ls}}till,
If Heathen, Turk, or Jew {{ls}}hould come, {{ls}}o he would change his Creed {{ls}}till.

&lt;&gt; XIIII.
::There’s half-witted ''Will. Say'' too,
::A right fool in the Play too,
That would make a perfect A{{ls}}{{ls}}e, if he could learn to Bray too.

&lt;&gt; XV.
::''Cornelius'' thou wert a Link-boy,
::And born, tis like, in a Sink boy,
Ide tell thy Knavery to the World, but thy Pitch {{ls}}ticks in my ink Boy.

&lt;&gt; XVI.
::Baron ''Hill'' was but a Valley,
::And born {{ls}}carce to an Alley,
But now is Lord of ''Taunton-Deane'' and thou{{ls}}ands he can Ralley.

&lt;&gt; XVII.
::Lord ''Fines'' he will not Mall men,
::For he likes not Death of all men,
And his Heart doth go to Pit to Pat, When to Battle he {{ls}}hould call men.

&lt;&gt; XVIII.
::Perfidious ''Whitlock'' Ever,
::Hath mi{{ls}}chief under’s Beaver,
And for his ends will put the World into a burning Feavour.

&lt;&gt; XIX.
::''A{{ls}}hley Cowper'' knew a Rea{{ls}}on,
::That Treachery was in Sea{{ls}}on,
When at the fir{{ls}}t he turn’d his Coat from Loyalty to Trea{{ls}}on.

&lt;&gt; XX.
::And gouty Ma{{ls}}ter ''Wallop,''
::Now thinks he hath the Ballop,
But though he trotted to the Rump, hee’l run away a Gallop.

&lt;&gt; XXI.
::There’s ''Carew Rawleigh'' by him,
::All good Men do defie him,
And they that think him not a Knave, I wi{{ls}}h they would but try him.

&lt;&gt; XXII.
::''Luke Robin{{ls}}on'' that Clownado,
::Though his heart be a Granado,
Yet a High-Shooe with his hands in’s Poke, is his mo{{ls}}t perfect {{ls}}hadow.

&lt;&gt; XXIII.
::''Soloway'' with Tobacco,
::In{{ls}}pired, turnd State Quacko;
And got more by his feigned zeal, then by his What de’e Lack ho.

&lt;&gt; XXIIII.
::But ''Widdrington'' how came you there?
::A wi{{ls}}e man and a true there!
You are an ''Athana{{ls}}ius'' among a Knavi{{ls}}h Crew there.

&lt;&gt; XXV.
::But ''Li{{ls}}le'' is half forgotten,
::Who oft is over {{ls}}hotten,
For ju{{ls}}t like Harp and Gridiron his Brains with Law do Cotten.

&lt;&gt; XXVI.
::What Knaves are more to be vext Sirs,
::You’l hear when I {{ls}}ing next {{ls}}irs,
For now my Mu{{ls}}e is tir’d with this abominable Text Sirs,

&gt;&gt; ''{{lang|la|Ridentem dicere verum, Quid vetat?}}''
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{{sc|With|}} regard to the external form of the hull of a vessel, it must vary according to the purposes for which it is designed. If required to carry much cargo, it must be deep and square and wall-sided. If a sailing vessel, it must perforce have a broader beam than a steamer, to compensate for the leverage of the wind tending to overturn a very narrow vessel. If a steamer intended for war-purposes, there must be space for lodging the crew and for working the guns, unless intended chiefly for speed, in which case the longer the vessel in proportion to width, the faster she may be propelled through the water with a given power. And inasmuch as water naturally runs in rounded sections, the hollow section for the vessel's bottom is the form of least friction against the water. Eight breadths to a length, with hollow lines like those of a bayonet, would give good cleavage of the water; but unless it be very smooth water, the midship section must change to a flat or rounded bottom, or the vessel would be apt to capsize. The question of size is very important, as great size—other things being equal—gives increased speed and greater space for men and machinery, both for working and fighting.

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{{di|A}}{{uc|s}} it fell out on a Holy-day,
:as many more be in the year,
Little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} would to {{ye}} Church &amp; pray,
:to {{ls}}ee the fair Ladies there.
Gallants there were of good degree,
:for beauty exceeding fair,
Mo{{ls}}t wondrous lovely to the eye,
:that did to the Church repair.

Some came down in red Velvet,
:and others came down in Pall,
The next came down my Lady {{serif|Barnet}},
:the faire{{ls}}t among{{ls}}t them all.
She ca{{ls}}t a look on little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}}
:as bright as the Summers Sun,
Full well then perceived Little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}}
:Lady {{serif|Barnets}} love he had won.

The Lady {{serif|Barnet}} mo{{ls}}t meek and mild,
:{{ls}}aluted this little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}},
Who did repay her kind courte{{ls}}ie,
:with favour and gentle love.
I have a Bower in merry {{serif|Barnet}},
:be{{ls}}trewed with Cow{{ls}}lips {{ls}}weet,
If that it plea{{ls}}e you Little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}}
:in Love me there to meet.

Within my arms one night to {{ls}}leep
:for you my heart have won,
You need not fear my {{ls}}u{{ls}}picious Lord,
:for he from home is gone.
Betide my life betide my death,
:this night I will lye with thee,
And for thy {{ls}}ake Ile hazard my breath,
:{{ls}}o dear is my love to thee.

What {{ls}}hall we do with our little foot page,
:our coun{{ls}}ell for to keep,
And watch for fear Lord {{serif|Barnet}} come,
:while we together {{ls}}leep,
Red gold {{ls}}hall be his hire quoth he
:and {{ls}}ilver {{ls}}hall be his fee,
So he our coun{{ls}}ell {{ls}}afely keep,
:that I may {{ls}}leep with thee.

I will have none of your gold he {{ls}}aid
:nor none of your {{ls}}ilver fee,
If I {{ls}}hould keep your coun{{ls}}ell {{ls}}ir,
:twere great di{{ls}}loyalty.
I will not be fal{{ls}}e unto my Lord,
:for hou{{ls}}e nor yet for Land,
but if my Lady prove untrue,
:Lord {{serif|Barnet}} {{ls}}hall under{{ls}}tand.

Then {{ls}}wiftly ran this little foot page,
:unto his Lord with {{ls}}peed,
Who then was fea{{ls}}ting with his own friends
:not dreaming of this ill deed:
Mo{{ls}}t {{ls}}peedily the Page did ha{{ls}}t,
:mo{{ls}}t {{ls}}wiftly did he run,
And when he came to the broken bridge,
:he bent his brea{{ls}}t and {{ls}}wum.

The Page did make no {{ls}}tay at all,
:but went to the Lord with {{ls}}peed,
That he the truth might {{ls}}ay to him,
:concerning this wicked deed.
He found his Lord at {{ls}}upper then,
:great merriment there they did keep,
My Lord quoth he this night on my word,
:{{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} with your Lady doth {{ls}}leep.
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{{di|I}}{{uc|f}} this be true my little foot page
:and true that thou telle{{ls}}t to me,
My elde{{ls}}t daughter Ile give thee
:and wedded thou {{ls}}halt be.
If this be a lye my little foot page
:and a lye thou telle{{ls}}t to me,
A new pair of Gallows {{ls}}hall be {{ls}}et up
:and hanged thou {{ls}}halt be.

If thou be a lye my Lord {{ls}}aid he
:and a lye that thou heare{{ls}}t from me,
Then never {{ls}}tay a Gallows to make,
:but hang me upon the next tree.
Lord {{serif|Barnet}} then cal’d up his merry men
:away with {{ls}}peed he would go.
His heart was {{ls}}ore perplext with grief,
:the truth of this he mu{{ls}}t know.

Saddle your hor{{ls}}es with {{ls}}peed he {{ls}}aid,
:and Saddle me my white steed.
If this be true as the page hath {{ls}}aid
:{{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} {{ls}}hall repent this deed.
He charged his men no noi{{ls}}e to make
:as they rode along on the way,
Nor wind no horn quoth he on your life,
:lea{{ls}}t our coming it {{ls}}hould betray.

But one of them that {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} did love
:and re{{ls}}pected his friend{{ls}}hip mo{{ls}}t dear,
To give him notice Lord {{serif|Barnet}} was come,
:did wind the bugle mo{{ls}}t clear.
And ever more as he did {{ls}}ound,
:away {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} and away,
For if he take thee with my Lady,
:then {{ls}}lain thou {{ls}}halt be this day.

O hark fair Lady your Lord is near,
:I hear his little horn blow,
And if he find me in your arms thus,
:then {{ls}}lain I {{ls}}hall be I know.
O lye {{ls}}till lye {{ls}}till little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}},
:and keep my back from the cold,
I know it is my fathers {{ls}}hepherd
:driving {{ls}}heep unto the pinfold.

{{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} did turn him round about,
:{{ls}}weet {{ls}}lumber his eyes did greet,
When he did awake he then did e{{ls}}py
:Lord {{serif|Barnet}} at the beds feet.
O ri{{ls}}e up ri{{ls}}e up little {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}}
:and put thy cloathing on,
It never {{ls}}hall be {{ls}}aid in fair England
:that I {{ls}}lew a naked man.

Heres two good {{ls}}words Lord {{serif|Barnet}} {{ls}}aid
:the choyce {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} {{ls}}hall make,
The be{{ls}}t of them thy {{ls}}elf {{ls}}hall have
:and I the wor{{ls}}t will have.
The fir{{ls}}t good blow {{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} did {{ls}}trike
:he wounded Lord {{serif|Barnet}} {{ls}}ore,
The {{ls}}econd blow Lord {{serif|Barnet}} gave
:{{serif|Mou{{ls}}grove}} could {{ls}}trike no more.

He took his Lady by the white hand,
:all love to rage did convert
And with his {{ls}}word in mo{{ls}}t curious wi{{ls}}e,
:he pierc’d her tender heart.
A grave a grave Lord {{serif|Barnet}} cry’d,
:prepare to lay us in,
My Lady {{ls}}hall lye on the upper {{ls}}ide,
:cau{{ls}}e {{ls}}he is the better kin.

Then {{ls}}uddenly he {{ls}}lew him{{ls}}elf
:which griev’d his friends full {{ls}}ore
The death of the{{ls}}e three worthy wights
:with tears they did deplore.
This {{ls}}ad mi{{ls}}chief by lu{{ls}}t was wrought,
:then let us call for grace,
That we may {{ls}}hun this wicked vice,
:and {{ls}}hun that {{ls}}in apace.
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The problem was considered by some of the Sophists, who made futile attempts to connect it with the discovery of &quot;cyclical square numbers,&quot; i.e. such square numbers as end with the same cipher as the number itself, as for example 25 = 5&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;, 36 = 6&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt;; but the right path to a real treatment of the problem was discovered by Antiphon and further developed by Bryson, both of them contemporaries of Socrates (469—399 {{asc|B.C.}}). Antiphon inscribed a square in the circle and passed on to an octagon, 16agon, &amp;c., and thought that by proceeding far enough a polygon would be obtained of which the sides would be so small that they would coincide with the circle. Since a square can always be described so as to be equal to a rectilineal polygon, and a circle can be replaced by a polygon of equal area, the quadrature of the circle would be performed. That this procedure would give only an approximate solution he overlooked. The important improvement was introduced by Bryson of considering circumscribed as well as inscribed polygons; in this procedure he foreshadowed the notion of upper and lower limits in a limiting process. He thought that the area of the circle could be found by taking the mean of the areas of corresponding in- and circum-scribed polygons.

Hippocrates of Chios who lived in Athens in the second half of the fifth century {{asc|B.C.}}, and wrote the first text book on Geometry, was the first to give examples of curvilinear areas which admit of exact quadrature. These figures are the menisci or lunulae of Hippocrates.

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If &lt;math&gt;AC = CD = DB = &lt;/math&gt; radius &lt;math&gt;OA&lt;/math&gt; (see Fig. 3), the semi-circle &lt;math&gt;ACE&lt;/math&gt;
is {{sfrac|1|4|font-size=60%}} of the semi-circle &lt;math&gt;ACDB&lt;/math&gt;. We have now

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The numbers after the titles of the acts are the act numbers. Acts are referenced using 'Year', asp, 'Act Number'.

==1999==
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|[[Mental Health (Public Safety and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 1999]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to add public safety to the grounds for not discharging certain patients detained under the [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]]; to provide for appeal against the decision of the sheriff on applications by these patients for their discharge; and to amend the definition of “mental disorder” in that Act.||1999 asp 1||{{RepealedUK|Scot=[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]]}}
|}

==2000-2009==
===2000===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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! Number
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|[[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public resources and finances and, for the purposes of section 70 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]], about accountability for their use; and for connected purposes||2000 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2000/01, for payments out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund and the application of sums otherwise payable into the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for payments out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 2||
|-
|[[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about religion to be gathered.||2000 asp 3||
|-
|[[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the property, financial affairs and personal welfare of adults who are incapable by reason of mental disorder or inability to communicate; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 4||
|-
|[[Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the feudal system of land tenure; to abolish a related system of land tenure; to make new provision as respects the ownership of land; to make consequential provision for the extinction and recovery of feuduties and of certain other perpetual periodical payments and for the extinction by prescription of any obligation to pay redemption money under the [[Land Tenure Reform (Scotland) Act 1974]]; to make further provision as respects real burdens affecting land; to provide for the disentailment of land; to discharge all rights of irritancy held by superiors; to abolish the obligation of thirlage; to prohibit with certain exceptions the granting of leases over land for periods exceeding 175 years; to make new provision as respects conveyancing; to enable firms with separate personality to own land; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 5||
|-
|[[Standards in Scotland's Schools etc. Act 2000]] {{ssl|Standards in Scotland’s Schools etc. Act 2000 (ASP 2000-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects school education, the welfare of pupils attending independent schools and corporal punishment of pupils for whom school education is provided; to make further provision as respects School Boards; to make further provision as respects the functions, constitution and structure of the General Teaching Council for Scotland; to abolish the committee known as the Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for School Education; to make further provision relating to the inspection of institutions within the higher education sector which educate and train persons to be, or persons who are, teachers in schools; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 6||
|-
|[[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a framework for securing the observance of high standards of conduct by councillors and other persons holding public appointments; and to repeal section 2A of the [[Local Government Act 1986]] and make provision as to how councils are to exercise functions which relate principally to children.||2000 asp 7||
|-
|[[Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment of grants in respect of the education and training of certain individuals.||2000 asp 8||
|-
|[[Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the law about bail; to enable alteration in the number of judges in the Inner House of the Court of Session; to abolish temporary sheriffs and create a new kind of sheriff; to change the law about justices of the peace; and to abolish district court prosecutions brought on behalf of or by local authorities.||2000 asp 9||
|-
|[[National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for National Parks.||2000 asp 10||
|-
|[[Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate surveillance and the use of covert human intelligence sources.||2000 asp 11||
|-
|[[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Amendment (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 7(4) of the [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967]] in respect of rights of several fishery.||2000 asp 12||
|}

===2001===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
|-
! style=&quot;width:30%;&quot;| Short Title 
! Long Title
! Number
! Notes
|-
|[[Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001]] {{ssl|Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name1=original act|Correction Slip - Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name2=correction slip}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish poindings and warrant sales.||2001 asp 1||
|-
|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Transport (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about transport; to make provision as respects certain bridges; to amend section 21 of the [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970]]; to amend section 40 of the [[Road Traffic Act 1988]]; to amend sections 26, 28 and 63 of the [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 2||
|-
|[[Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the conservation of salmon and sea trout.||2001 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 4||
|-
|[[Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the extinction of leasehold casualties; for the payment of compensation on their extinction; for irritancy provisions in certain leases of land to be void; for the disapplication, in relation to certain leases, of the rule of law entitling a landlord in certain circumstances to terminate a lease; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 5||
|-
|[[Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment by certain persons of the graduate endowment; to make provision in relation to the use of income arising from the graduate endowment for the purposes of the financial support of students; to make further provision as respects financial support for students; and to make provision exempting students from liability for council tax.||2001 asp 6||
|-
|[[Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend certain enactments relating to the sentencing and release of life prisoners, the constitution and powers of the Parole Board, legal advice and assistance and legal aid, homosexual offences and the appointment and removal of the procurator fiscal of the Lyon Court which are or may be incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights; and to enable further changes in the law where it is or may be incompatible with the Convention.||2001 asp 7||
|-
|[[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care and the Scottish Social Services Council; to make provision for the registration and regulation of care services and for the registration, regulation and training of social service workers; to enable local authorities to make grants in respect of activities relating to child care and family support and to make direct payments to children in respect of certain care services; to enable the Scottish Ministers to delegate a power to make certain grants and loans for social work; to make further provision as respects payments by local authorities towards maintenance of certain children residing with and being cared for by persons other than their parents; to enable local authorities to provide and maintain residential accommodation in which nursing is provided; to make further provision as respects persons who have been looked after by local authorities; to amend the definition of “place of safety&quot; in the [[Children (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to make further provision as respects the appointment for children of curators ad litem, reporting officers and safeguarders; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 8||
|-
|[[Scottish Local Authorities (Tendering) Act 2001]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the time limit on the period during which the provisions about competition in the [[Local Government Act 1988]] may be modified in relation to local authorities.||2001 asp 9||
|-
|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Housing (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about homelessness and the allocation of housing accommodation by social landlords, the tenants of social landlords, the regulation of social landlords, Scottish Homes, the strategic housing functions of the Scottish Ministers and local authorities and grants for improvement and repairs; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 10||
|-
|[[Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the suspension in certain circumstances of enforcement rights of a creditor in a standard security over property used for residential purposes and the continuation of proceedings relating to those rights; to make provision for notifying tenants and other occupiers of enforcement action by a creditor in a standard security; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 11||
|-
|[[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001]] {{ssl|Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restore, with retrospective effect (other than as regards criminal liability), the power to levy tolls conferred by section 1(1) of the [[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 1968]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 12||
|-
|[[International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for offences under the law of Scotland corresponding to offences within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court; to enable assistance to be provided to that court in relation to investigations and prosecutions; to make provision in relation to the enforcement of sentences and orders of that court; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 13||
|-
|[[Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable a power of arrest to be attached to interdicts granted to protect individuals from abuse; to regulate the consequences of such attachment; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 14||
|-
|[[Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the carrying forward by police authorities, joint police boards and joint fire boards of unspent balances from one financial year to the next; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 15||
|}

===2002===
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|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the synchronisation of the polls at local government elections with the polls at elections to the Scottish Parliament; to make some minor rectifications in enactments relating to the timing of elections; and to make provision in relation to the casting and counting of votes at, and the sending of election communications in connection with, local government elections.||2002 asp 1||
|-
|[[School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law about the provision of education for children under school age for whom placing requests have been made; and to make provision relating to the abolition of the post of assistant headteacher.||2002 asp 2||
|-
|[[Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision in relation to the Water Industry Commissioner for Scotland and to provide for the establishment of Water Customer Consultation Panels; to make further provision in relation to the regulation of the quality of drinking water; to make provision for the establishment of Scottish Water, the transfer to Scottish Water of the functions of the water and sewerage authorities established by section 62(1) of the [[Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994]] and the dissolution of those authorities and in relation to the functions of Scottish Water; to make further amendments of the law relating to water and sewerage; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 3||
|-
|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide, retrospectively, as to the effect on trial diets in summary proceedings of arrest warrants granted at intermediate diets.||2002 asp 4||
|-
|[[Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects social care; to make provision in relation to arrangements and payments between National Health Service bodies and local authorities as respects certain of their functions; to amend the law relating to the National Health Service; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 5||
|-
|[[Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to protect wild mammals from being hunted with dogs; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 6||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 7||
|-
|[[Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Marriage (Scotland) Act 1977]] to enable civil marriages to be solemnised in certain places approved by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 8||
|-
|[[Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit persons charged with certain sexual offences from conducting their own defence at the trial; to provide for the appointment of solicitors to defend those persons where they do not make those appointments themselves; to prevent those persons from personally precognoscing or taking statements from alleged victims; to require those persons to give notice of defences of consent; to make new provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of alleged victims at trials of those persons for those offences; to provide for disclosure of those persons' previous convictions of sexual offences where such evidence is allowed; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 9||
|-
|[[Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the keeping of animals solely or primarily for slaughter for the value of their fur; to provide for the making of payments in respect of the related closure of certain businesses; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 10||
|-
|[[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002 (ASP 2002-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 91 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) for the appointment and functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 11||
|-
|[[Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require bodies responsible for schools to prepare and implement strategies relating to the accessibility, for pupils with a disability, of school education; and to make provision in respect of the educational records of school pupils.||2002 asp 12||
|-
|[[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the disclosure of information held by Scottish public authorities or by persons providing services for them; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 13||
|-
|[[Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002 (ASP 2002-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the members of the Scottish Qualifications Authority; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to regulate the procedure of that Authority; to provide for the establishment of a committee to consider and advise on matters relating to qualifications awarded by, and the functions and procedures of, that Authority; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 14||
|-
|[[University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002]] {{ssl|University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to permit the University of St. Andrews to grant postgraduate research degrees in medicine to qualified medical practitioners.||2002 asp 15||
|-
|[[Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002 (ASP 2002-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to investigate complaints about the conduct of members of the Parliament and to report upon the outcome of such investigations to the Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 16||
|-
|[[Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide a scheme under which individuals may arrange for their debts to be paid under payment programmes; to create a new diligence in relation to corporeal moveable property owned by a debtor; to make special provision for the use of that diligence in relation to property kept in dwellinghouses; to abolish poindings and warrant sales; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 17||
|}

===2003===
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|[[Local Government in Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|Local Government in Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide anew about the way in which local authorities discharge their functions and about the local provision of certain public services; to give local authorities power to do things which they consider will advance well-being; to provide exemptions and reliefs from non-domestic rates in relation to certain lands and heritages; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to combine certain lands and heritages for the purposes of assessing rateable value; to require local authorities to prepare, and endeavour to implement, a plan relating to the carrying out of their waste disposal and collection functions; to make new provision about the capital expenditure of those authorities and about the making of capital grants to them; to make some miscellaneous provisions connected with the functions of local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 1||
|-
|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish statutory public rights of access to land for recreational and other purposes, and to extend some of the provisions for that purpose to rights of way and other rights; to make provision under which bodies representing rural and crofting communities may buy the land with which those communities have a connection; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 2||
|-
|[[Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protection of the water environment, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2000/60/EC]]; to amend the [[Sewerage (Scotland) Act 1968]] and the [[Water (Scotland) Act 1980]] in relation to the provision of water and sewerage services; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 3||
|-
|[[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make provision in respect of appointments to certain public bodies; to dissolve certain public bodies; to make provision as to certain functions of Health Boards and National Health Service trusts; to make provision as to the functions of the Law Society of Scotland and the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal regarding the regulation of conveyancing and executry practitioners and the provision of services by such practitioners; to make modifications in relation to those services, including conferring certain notarial and other functions on such practitioners; to establish the Historic Environment Advisory Council for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 4||
|-
|[[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to keep a list of individuals whom they consider to be unsuitable to work with children; to prohibit individuals included in the list, and individuals who are similarly regarded in other jurisdictions, from doing certain work relating to children; to make further provision in relation to that list; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 5||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; to amend section 3 of, and schedule 1 to, the [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] (asp 4); and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 6||
|-
|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to criminal justice, criminal procedure and evidence in criminal proceedings; to make provision as to the arrest, sentencing, custody and release of offenders and the obtaining of reports in relation to offenders; to make provision for the provision of assistance by local authorities to persons who are arrested and are in police custody or who are subject to a deferred sentence and for the making of grants to local authorities exercising jointly certain functions in relation to offenders and other persons; to make provision for the protection of the public at large from persons with a propensity to commit certain offences and for the establishment of the Risk Management Authority; to make provision for the granting of certain rights to the victims of crime; to make provision as to the jurisdiction of courts and the designation of certain courts as drugs courts; to make provision in relation to the physical punishment of children; to create offences in connection with traffic in prostitution or for purposes connected with pornography; to make provision as to the criminal law as it relates to bribery and the acceptance of bribes; to make provision in relation to criminal legal assistance; to require the aggravation of an offence by religious prejudice to be taken into account in sentencing; to make provision as respects police ranks and the powers and duties of certain civilians employed by police authorities; to make provision for the disqualification of convicted persons from jury service in both criminal and civil proceedings and for the separation of juries after retiral; to make provision for the use of live television links between prisons and courts; to make provision in relation to warrants to search; to amend Part V of the [[Police Act 1997]] in its application to Scotland; to make provision in relation to the prohibition of certain matters in respect of cases referred to the Principal Reporter; to amend the law relating to penalties for wildlife offences; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 7||
|-
|[[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Building (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision with respect to buildings, building standards, work in relation to buildings and related matters; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 8||
|-
|[[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects real burdens, servitudes and certain other obligations affecting land; to amend the law relating to the ranking of standard securities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 9||
|-
|[[Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about homelessness; to provide for the giving of notice to local authorities of proceedings for possession and enforcement of standard securities; to amend section 18 of the [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1988]] in relation to recovery of possession of assured tenancies for non-payment of rent; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 10||
|-
|[[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to agricultural holdings under the [[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991]]; to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancies and to make provision in relation to these tenancies; to provide for the right of certain agricultural tenants to buy land; to provide for the use of certain agricultural land for non-agricultural purposes; to make special provision for certain agricultural tenancies where the tenant is a partnership; to make new provision for the resolution of disputes between landlords and tenants arising under agricultural tenancies; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 11||
|-
|[[Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the offence of dog fouling, including fixed penalty notices for such an offence; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 12||
|-
|[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-13 qp).pdf}} ||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 13||
|-
|[[Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the discharge of functions of the Council of the Law Society of Scotland and the appointment and constitution of committees and sub-committees of that Council.||2003 asp 14||
|-
|[[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate, with amendments recommended by the Scottish Law Commission, the enactments relating to salmon and freshwater fisheries in Scotland.||2003 asp 15||
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|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for a certain piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens and to disapply the effect of section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2003 asp 16||
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|[[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 17||
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|[[Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers on the Scottish Ministers to prescribe circumstances in which education authorities are obliged to ensure that provision is made for pupils to receive milk, meals or other refreshments free of charge; and to provide that the first exercise of those powers has retrospective effect.||2003 asp 18||
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|[[Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-19 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate matters relating to navigation and fishing in connection with the provision of an offshore wind farm in navigable waters within the Solway Firth; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 19||
|}

===2004===
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|[[Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the provision of primary medical services; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 2||
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|[[Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of children and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal or civil proceedings; to provide for evidential presumptions in criminal proceedings where certain reports of identification procedures are lodged as productions; to make provision about the admissibility of expert psychological or psychiatric evidence as to subsequent behaviour of the complainer in criminal proceedings in respect of certain offences; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof where a child witness under the age of 12 is to give evidence at the trial; to enable the court to prohibit persons from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof in other criminal proceedings in which a vulnerable witness is to give evidence; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from seeking to precognosce personally a child under the age of 12; to make provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of witnesses in proceedings before a sheriff relating to the establishment of grounds of referral to children’s hearings; to abolish the competence test for witnesses in criminal and civil proceedings; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 3||
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|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for additional support in connection with the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 4||
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|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in connection with proceedings in the High Court of Justiciary, for the holding of preliminary hearings prior to the trial diet; to make new provision as to the continuation of the trial diet in proceedings in the High Court; to amend the time limit for commencement of the trial in proceedings in the High Court; in connection with solemn criminal proceedings generally, to amend the consequences of failure to comply with time limits, to make further provision as to citation of the accused, witnesses and jurors, to require any solicitor engaged by the accused to notify the court and the prosecutor of his engagement, withdrawal and dismissal, to make new provision as to the procedure where the trial diet does not proceed, to enable the trial to be conducted in the absence of the accused in certain circumstances, to provide for the apprehension, detention and release on bail of obstructive witnesses, to enable notices and other documents to be served on the accused through his solicitor, to restate with modifications certain provisions in relation to the raising of preliminary pleas and issues and to make new provision as to the adjournment and alteration of diets; to enable persons to be released on bail subject to a requirement that their compliance with conditions of bail restricting their movements be remotely monitored; to make provision entitling the prosecutor to be heard on certain applications relating to bail; to make further provision as to the matters to be dealt with by the sheriff court at a first diet in solemn proceedings; to make new provision as to the procedure to be followed by the court in sentencing offenders who have pled guilty; to increase from three to five years the maximum extended sentence that may be imposed by a sheriff on persons convicted on indictment of certain violent and sexual offences; to make new provision as to the citation of witnesses for precognition by the prosecutor; to clarify when criminal proceedings are finally determined for the purposes of section 10 of the [[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 5); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 5||
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|[[Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the conservation of biodiversity; to make further provision in relation to the conservation and enhancement of Scotland’s natural features; to amend the law relating to the protection of certain birds, animals and plants; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 6||
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|[[National Health Service Reform (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the organisation and operation of the National Health Service and the promotion of health improvement; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 7||
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|[[Antisocial Behaviour etc. (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with antisocial behaviour; to make provision about criminal justice; to make provision in relation to child welfare; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 8||
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|[[Local Governance (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the election of councillors by single transferable vote and in relation to candidates to be councillor; to make provision in relation to certain restrictions upon being a councillor and upon former councillors; to make new provision about remuneration for and other payments to councillors; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 9||
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|[[Stirling-Alloa-Kincardine Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from Stirling to Kincardine; to authorise the construction of the Alloa Eastern Link Road, necessitated by the railway; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 10||
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|[[Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the boundaries and pertinents of properties comprised in tenements and for the regulation of the rights and duties of the owners of properties comprised in tenements; to make minor amendments of the [[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 9); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 11||
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|[[School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004]] {{ssl|1=School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004 (ASP 2004-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer power on the Scottish Ministers, following inspection of a public or grant-aided school or of an education authority, to direct the school managers or the authority to take specified action; to provide that all non-public schools which provide full-time education for pupils of school age are independent schools; to abolish provisional registration of independent schools; to make amended provision for the registration and regulation of independent schools; to provide for appeals to the sheriff principal against certain decisions by the Scottish Ministers in relation to such schools; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 12||
|}

===2005===
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|[[Breastfeeding etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to prevent or stop a person in charge of a child who is otherwise permitted to be in a public place or licensed premises from feeding milk to that child in that place or on those premises; to make provision in relation to the promotion of breastfeeding; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 1||
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|[[Emergency Workers (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to assault or impede persons who provide emergency services; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 2||
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|[[Water Services etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Water Industry Commission for Scotland; to create offences in relation to the unauthorised use of the public water and sewerage systems; to provide for licensing the provision of certain water and sewerage services; to amend the system for fixing charges for services provided by Scottish Water; to make provision as to Scottish Water’s functions; to make provision in relation to coal mine water pollution; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 4||
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|[[Fire (Scotland) Act 2005]]|| An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fire and rescue authorities and joint fire and rescue boards; to restate and amend the law in relation to fire services; to make provision in relation to the functions of such authorities and boards in connection with certain events and situations other than fires; to make provision for implementing in part Council [[Directive 1989/391/EEC|Directives 89/391/EEC]], [[Directive 1989/654/EEC|89/654/EEC]], [[Directive 1991/383/EEC|91/383/EEC]], [[Directive 1994/33/EC|94/33/EC]], [[Directive 1998/24/EC|98/24/EC]] and [[Directive 1999/92/EC|99/92/EC]]; to make other provision in relation to fire safety in certain premises; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 5||
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|[[Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision establishing the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council and provision as to its functions; to make provision as to support for further and higher education; to make provision relating to bodies which provide further and higher education; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 6||
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|[[Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a body having functions exercisable with a view to securing the status of the Gaelic language as an official language of Scotland commanding equal respect to the English language, including the functions of preparing a national Gaelic language plan, of requiring certain public authorities to prepare and publish Gaelic language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions and to maintain and implement such plans, and of issuing guidance in relation to Gaelic education.||2005 asp 7||
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|[[Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to female genital mutilation and to provide for extra-territorial effect; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 8||
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|[[Protection of Children and Prevention of Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to meet a child following certain preliminary contact and to make other provision for the purposes of protecting children from harm of a sexual nature, including provision for implementing in part Council Framework [[Decision 2004/68/JHA]]; and to make further provision about the prevention of sexual offences.||2005 asp 9||
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|[[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about charities and other benevolent bodies; to make provision about fundraising in connection with charities and other benevolent bodies; to amend the law in relation to the investment powers of trustees; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 10||
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|[[Baird Trust Reorganization Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Baird Trust to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve The Baird Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 11||
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|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the setting up and functions of new transport bodies and to enable the Scottish Ministers to discharge certain transport functions; to provide further for the control and co-ordination of road works and for the enforcement of the duties placed on those who carry them out; to set up national concessionary fares schemes; and to make other, miscellaneous modifications of the law relating to transport.||2005 asp 12||
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|[[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in certain wholly or substantially enclosed places; to enable the Scottish Ministers by order to vary the minimum age limit of those to whom tobacco may be sold; to make provision in relation to general dental services, general ophthalmic services, personal dental services, pharmaceutical care services and detection of vision problems in children; to make provision in relation to disqualification by the NHS Tribunal; to enable the Scottish Ministers to establish a scheme for the making of payments to certain persons infected with hepatitis C as a result of NHS treatment and to certain persons infected with the virus by transmission of it from a person infected with it as a result of such treatment; to amend the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] as respects what constitutes an independent health care service, the implementation of certain decisions by the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care or the Scottish Social Services Council, the provision of information to the Council and the minimum frequency of inspection of care services by the Commission; to make provision providing further time for applications to be made for registration of child care agencies and housing support services under the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 and provide authorisation for the payment of certain grants to such services while not registered under that Act; to amend the [[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] as respects authorisation of medical treatment; to amend the [[Public Health (Scotland) Act 1897]] to introduce a right of appeal in certain cases under that Act; to enable the Scottish Ministers to form, participate in and provide assistance to companies for the purpose of providing facilities or services for persons exercising functions under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]] or of making money available to the health service in Scotland; to amend the rules as to membership of and other matters relating to the Scottish Hospital Endowments Research Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 13||
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|[[Management of Offenders etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the establishment of community justice authorities; to make further provision for the supervision and care of persons put on probation or released from prison etc.; to make further provision as respects the procedures etc. of the Risk Management Authority; to make further provision as respects the powers of the High Court following the submission of a risk assessment report or of a report under section 210D of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to amend Part 1 of the Prisoners and [[Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993]] so as to make further provision as respects the release of prisoners on licence; to make further provision for testing prisoners for drugs; to make further provision as respects the jurisdiction of the Scottish courts in proceedings for offences in relation to the notification requirements of Part 2 of the [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]]; to make further provision as respects proceedings in relation to an objection to the content of a risk assessment report; to make provision about the recovery of compensation from offenders; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 14||
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|[[Environmental Assessment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the assessment of the environmental effects of certain plans and programmes, including plans and programmes to which [[Directive 2001/42/EC]] of the European Parliament and of the Council relates; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 15||
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|[[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the sale of alcohol, and for regulating licensed premises and other premises on which alcohol is sold; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 16||
|}

===2006===
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing standards; to confer a right to adapt rented houses to meet the needs of disabled occupants; to provide for the giving of assistance by local authorities in connection with work carried out in relation to houses; to require certain information to be made available on the sale of houses; to regulate the multiple occupation of houses and certain other types of living accommodation; to make provision about mobile homes; to make provision about matters to be considered by local authorities when assessing suitability of persons to act as a landlord; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 1||
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|[[Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in relation to marriage, divorce and the jurisdiction of the courts in certain consistorial actions; to amend the [[Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland) Act 1981]]; to amend the law relating to the domicile of persons who are under 16 years of age; to make further provision as respects responsibilities and rights in relation to children; to make provision conferring rights in relation to property, succession and claims in damages for persons living, or having lived, together as if husband and wife or civil partners; to amend Part 3 of the [[Civil Partnership Act 2004]]; to make further provision in relation to persons entitled to damages under the [[Damages (Scotland) Act 1976]]; to make provision in relation to certain rules of private international law relating to family law; to make incompetent actions for declarator of freedom and putting to silence; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 2||
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|[[Joint Inspection of Children's Services and Inspection of Social Work Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the carrying out of joint inspections of the provision of services to children; and to make provision as to the appointment of persons to act as social work inspectors and their functions.||2006 asp 3||
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|[[Human Tissue (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to activities involving human tissue.||2006 asp 4||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 5||
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|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line Two) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh following a western course from St Andrew Square, via Princes Street, Haymarket, Murrayfield and South Gyle to Edinburgh Airport and Newbridge; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 6||
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|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line One) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh forming a loop from St Andrew Square, along Leith Walk to Leith, west to Granton, south to Haymarket and back to St Andrew Square via Princes Street; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 7||
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|[[Scottish Schools (Parental Involvement) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the involvement of parents in their children's education and in school education generally; to provide for the establishment of councils to represent the parents of pupils attending public schools; to abolish School Boards; to make further provision as regards the appointment of teachers; to make further provision as regards the content of the development plan for a school; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 8||
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|[[Senior Judiciary (Vacancies and Incapacity)]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the exercise of functions during vacancies in the offices of Lord President of the Court of Session and Lord Justice Clerk and the incapacity of the holders of those offices.||2006 asp 9||
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|[[Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the police; to make further provision about public order and safety; to make further provision about criminal justice; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 10||
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|[[Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Animal Health Act 1981]], including by making provision for preventing the spread of disease; to make provision for the welfare of animals, including for prevention of harm; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 11||
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|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 39 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about the registration and declaration of interests of members of the Scottish Parliament and the prohibition of advocacy by such members in return for payment or benefit in kind; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 12||
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|[[Waverley Railway (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from a point in Midlothian immediately south of Newcraighall in the City of Edinburgh to Tweedbank in Scottish Borders, including stations at Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels and Tweedbank; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 13||
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|[[Local Electoral Administration and Registration Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the administration and conduct of local government elections; to reorganise local registration services; to amend the law in relation to the registration of births and deaths and the procedure in relation to marriages and civil partnerships; to provide for the recording of certain events occurring outwith Scotland in relation to persons who have a Scottish connection; to make available certain information and records held by the Registrar General; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 14||
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|[[Tourist Boards (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename the Scottish Tourist Board, to increase the maximum number of members of that body and to abolish area tourist boards.||2006 asp 15||
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|[[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of the Scottish Commission for Human Rights.||2006 asp 16||
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|[[Planning etc. (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision relating to town and country planning; to make provision for business improvement districts; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 17||
|}

===2007===
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|[[Glasgow Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of a railway from a point east of Paisley St James Station to Glasgow Airport and to make improvements in the existing railway between Paisley St James Station and Glasgow Central Station; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 1||
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|[[St Andrews's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a bank holiday for St Andrew's Day.||2007 asp 2||
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|[[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of sequestration and personal insolvency; to amend the law about floating charges; to establish a Scottish Civil Enforcement Commission and replace officers of court with judicial officers; to amend the law of diligence; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 3||
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|[[Adoption and Children (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to adoption; to make other provision in relation to the care of children; to enable provision to be made in relation to allowances in respect of certain children; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 4||
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|[[Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission; to make provision as regards complaints against members of the legal profession in Scotland and other matters concerning the regulation of that profession; to make provision in connection with the administration of the Scottish Legal Aid Fund, including a register of advice organisations in connection with advice and assistance; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 5||
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|[[Criminal Proceedings etc. (Reform) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to bail in criminal proceedings; to reform certain aspects of summary criminal procedure; to make provision in relation to solemn criminal procedure; to make provision as to maximum penalties in the summary criminal courts; to make provision for the purpose of compensation orders in favour of victims of offences; to make provision for and in relation to alternatives to prosecution; to make provision as to enforcement of financial penalties for offences; to make provision establishing the JP court and for disestablishing the district court; to provide for the inspection of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 6||
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|[[Crofting Reform etc. Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards crofting and as regards the Scottish Land Court; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 7||
|-
|[[Transport and Works (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the making of orders related to, or to matters connected with, the construction or operation of railways, tramways, other guided transport systems, trolley vehicle systems and inland waterways; to make changes to procedures applicable to orders and schemes under the [[Roads (Scotland) Act 1984]], the [[Harbours Act 1964]] and the [[Pilotage Act 1987]]; to make further provision as regards grants for purposes relating to transport; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 8||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 9||
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|[[Adult Support and Protection (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purposes of protecting adults from harm; to require the establishment of committees with functions relating to the safeguarding of adults who are at risk of harm; to amend the law relating to incapable adults; to remove an individual’s liability for expenses incurred by councils in performing certain functions in relation to the individual’s spouse or child; to allow the Scottish Ministers to delegate their functions relating to councils' duty to pay sums for the purposes of securing community care services; to make provision entitling a council to recover expenses incurred in providing social services to persons who are not ordinarily resident in the council’s area; to allow the Public Guardian to intervene in court proceedings; to amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 10||
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|[[Prostitution (Public Places) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision in relation to prostitution in public places; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 11||
|-
|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to fish farms and shellfish farms; in relation to the parasite ''Gyrodactylus salaris''; in relation to salmon and freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; in relation to payments connected with aquaculture and fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 12||
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|[[Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the opening of large shops on Christmas Day and to confer power to prohibit the opening of such shops on New Year’s Day for the purpose of retail trading.||2007 asp 13||
|-
|[[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to bar certain individuals from working with children or certain adults; to require the Scottish Ministers to keep lists of those individuals; to make further provision in relation to those lists; to establish a scheme under which information about individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults is collated and disclosed; to amend Part 5 of the [[Police Act 1997]]; to amend the meaning of school care accommodation service in the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]]; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 14||
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|[[Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the promotion of health in certain schools and certain school hostels; and to amend the law in relation to the provision of food and drink for certain pupils.||2007 asp 15||
|-
|[[Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways to link Edinburgh Airport to the national rail network; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 16||
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|[[Custodial Sentences and Weapons (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the confinement and release of prisoners; to make provision relating to the control of weapons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 17||
|-
|[[Rights of Relatives to Damages (Mesothelioma) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law concerning the right of certain relatives of a deceased person to claim damages in respect of the death of the deceased from mesothelioma.||2007 asp 18||
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|[[Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways between Drumgelloch and Bathgate, including new stations at Caldercruix and Armadale; to authorise the use of land for relocated stations at Drumgelloch and Bathgate; to authorise related improvements to the existing railways between Airdrie and Drumgelloch and Bathgate and Edinburgh; to regularise the operation of certain enactments relating to the existing railway affected by the works so authorised; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 19||
|}

===2008===
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|[[Abolition of Bridge Tolls (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish tolls on road bridges; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 2||
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|[[Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the graduate endowment; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 3||
|-
|[[Glasgow Commonwealth Games Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Commonwealth Games that are to be held principally in Glasgow in 2014.||2008 asp 4||
|-
|[[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law on public health; to make provision about mortuaries and the disposal of bodies; to enable the Scottish Ministers to implement their obligations under the International Health Regulations; to make provision relating to the use, sale or hire of sunbeds; to amend the law on statutory nuisances; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 5||
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|[[Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the judiciary and the courts; to establish the Scottish Court Service; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 6||
|-
|[[Scottish Register of Tartans Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of tartans; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 7||
|}

===2009===
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set out rules to govern the Scottish Parliamentary Pension Scheme; to provide for the payment of resettlement grants to individuals when they stop being members of the Scottish Parliament or holding certain offices; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 2||
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|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the duties of local authorities in relation to parking places for use by disabled persons' vehicles; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 3||
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|[[Damages (Asbestos-related Conditions) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide that certain asbestos-related conditions are actionable personal injuries; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 4||
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|[[Health Boards (Membership and Elections) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the constitution of Health Boards; to provide for piloting of the election of certain members of Health Boards; to require the Scottish Ministers to report on those pilots; to confer a power to extend those elections to all Health Board areas following publication of that report; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 5||
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|[[Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the assessment and sustainable management of flood risks, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2007/60/EC]]; to make provision about local authorities' and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency's functions in relation to flood risk management; to amend the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]]; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 6||
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|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in respect of placing requests in relation to the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs and in respect of arrangements between education authorities in relation to such school education; to make minor provision in relation to additional support needs; to make further provision in relation to the practice and procedure of the Additional Support Needs Tribunals for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 7||
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|[[Offences (Aggravation by Prejudice) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice relating to disability or to sexual orientation or transgender identity.||2009 asp 8||
|-
|[[Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision about sexual offences, and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 9||
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|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the year in which local government elections fall to be held; and to make provision in relation to the publication of information about votes cast at local government elections.||2009 asp 10||
|-
|[[Convention Rights Proceedings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the limitation period for bringing certain Convention rights proceedings by virtue of the [[Scotland Act 1998]].||2009 asp 11||
|-
|[[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set a target for the year 2050, an interim target for the year 2020, and to provide for annual targets, for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; to provide about the giving of advice to the Scottish Ministers relating to climate change; to confer power on Ministers to impose climate change duties on public bodies; to make further provision about mitigation of and adaptation to climate change; to make provision about energy efficiency, including provision enabling council tax discounts; to make provision about the reduction and recycling of waste; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 12||
|}

==2010-2019==
===2010===
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|[[Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about arbitration.||2010 asp 1||
|-
|[[Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the consultation process that is to apply as respects various proposals made by education authorities for schools; to make special provision for rural schools; to provide for Ministerial call-in of closure proposals; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 2||
|-
|[[Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the retailing of tobacco products, including provision prohibiting the display of tobacco products and establishing a register of tobacco retailers; to amend the criteria for eligibility to provide primary medical services under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 4||
|-
|[[Marine (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Marine (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to functions and activities in the Scottish marine area, including provision about marine plans, licensing of marine activities, the protection of the area and its wildlife including seals and regulation of sea fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 5||
|-
|[[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding the enforcement of standard securities over residential property; to amend the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]] as regards the grounds on which a debtor may apply for sequestration, the types of voluntary trust deed to which the Act applies, the sale or disposal of a debtor's family home and requirements to publish notices about sequestration in the Edinburgh Gazette; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 6||
|-
|[[Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010 (ASP 2010-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Ure Elder Fund for Indigent Widow Ladies to a successor charitable trust; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 7||
|-
|[[Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purpose of simplifying public bodies, including the transfer and delegation of certain functions, the dissolution of certain bodies and provision in relation to the regulation of officers of court; to enable provision to be made for the purpose of improving the exercise of public functions and for removing and reducing burdens resulting from legislation; to make provision for the publication of information on expenditure and certain other matters by certain public bodies; to establish Creative Scotland with functions in relation to the arts and culture and industries and other activity the focus of which is the application of creative skills; to establish Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland with scrutiny functions in relation to care services and social work services; to establish Healthcare Improvement Scotland with scrutiny and other functions in relation to services provided under the National Health Service and independent health care services; to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] to make provision in relation to the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; to make provision about the exercise of scrutiny functions by certain bodies, including provision in respect of the involvement of users of scrutinised services, co-operation and joint inspections; to amend Part 2 of the [[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]] in relation to audit authorities and audit reports and examinations under that Part; to amend the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] to make provision in relation to complaints handling procedures of listed authorities; to amend the [[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]] in relation to the regulation of charities and charity trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 8||
|-
|[[Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the control of dogs; to amend the [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 9||
|-
|[[Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the publication, interpretation and operation of Acts of the Scottish Parliament and instruments made under them; to make provision about the scrutiny of subordinate legislation by the Scottish Parliament; to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 94(2)(b) of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about orders subject to special parliamentary procedure; to make provision about the laying of certain documents before the Scottish Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 10||
|-
|[[Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010 (ASP 2010-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Commission for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland; to transfer to its members the functions of the Chief Investigating Officer, the Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner and the Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make amendments of the [[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]], the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]], the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]], the [[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]], the [[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] and the [[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]], including amendments standardising certain provisions of those Acts and extending and qualifying the functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 11||
|-
|[[William Simpson’s Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=William Simpson's Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests, employees and liabilities of the Trustees of William Simpson's Asylum to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve the Trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 12||
|-
|[[Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about sentencing, offenders and defaulters; to make provision about criminal law, procedure and evidence; to make provision about criminal justice and the investigation of crime (including police functions); to amend the law relating to the licensing of certain activities by local authorities; to amend the law relating to the sale of alcohol; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 13||
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|[[Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and rename the Crofters Commission; to provide for the establishment of a new register of crofts and for registration of crofts, common grazings and land held runrig in it; to make provision about the duties of crofters and certain owner-occupiers of crofts and for the enforcement of those duties; to make further amendments to the law on crofting; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 14||
|-
|[[Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for persons being questioned by the police on suspicion of having committed an offence to have a right of access to legal assistance; to enable provision to be made for criminal advice and assistance under the [[Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986]] to be available for such persons in certain circumstances without reference to financial limits; to extend the period during which a person may be detained under section 14 of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]], and to enable that period to be further extended in certain circumstances; to provide for a right to make representations in relation to applications for extension of time limits for bringing appeals; to provide a time limit for lodging bills of suspension or advocation; to make provision about the grounds for references made to the High Court by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and to confer power on the High Court to reject such references in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 15||
|-
|[[Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow and to make provision for regulating the supply of certain legal services by licensed entities; to extend rights to obtain confirmation to the estates of deceased persons; to regulate will and other testamentary writing by non-lawyers; to make provision concerning the Law Society of Scotland and the Faculty of Advocates and for the professional arrangements to which solicitors and advocates are subject; to allow court rules to permit the making of oral submissions by lay representatives in civil cases; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 16||
|-
|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Housing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Housing Regulator and to make provision about housing, including provision about the performance and regulation of social landlords and reforms of the right to buy social housing; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 17||
|-
|[[Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision regulating the sale of alcohol and licensing of premises on which alcohol is sold and to make provision for the imposition of charges on holders of licences granted under the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]] and the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]].||2010 asp 18||
|}

===2011===
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|[[Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to children’s hearings; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 1||
|-
|[[Forth Crossing Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forth Crossing Act 2011 (ASP 2011-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give the Scottish Ministers power to construct a new bridge over the Firth of Forth and to construct and improve associated roads and structures; to authorise the acquisition, or temporary possession and use, of land for construction and improvement works; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 2||
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|[[Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision amending certain aspects of the law relating to ancient monuments and listed buildings, including provision in relation to unauthorised works, powers of enforcement in connection with such works, offences and fines, powers of entry to ancient monuments, the control and management of certain ancient monuments, and liability for the expenses of urgent works on listed buildings; to make provision for the creation of inventories of gardens and designed landscapes and of battlefields; to provide for grants and loans in respect of the development and understanding of matters of historic and other interest; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 4||
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|[[Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act to make provision about the rights of patients when receiving health care; to make further provision about eligibility under the scheme made under section 28 of the [[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 5||
|-
|[[Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with wildlife and the natural environment; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 6||
|-
|[[Damages (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Damages (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards rights to damages in respect of personal injuries and death; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 7||
|-
|[[Property Factors (Scotland) Act 2011]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of property factors and require property factors to be registered; to make provision in relation to the resolution of disputes between homeowners and property factors; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 8||
|-
|[[Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the regulation of the construction, alteration and management of certain reservoirs, in particular in relation to the risk of flooding from such reservoirs, for the repeal and replacement of the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]], about offences to facilitate the achievement of the environmental objectives set out in river basin management plans; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 9||
|-
|[[Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish an Electoral Management Board for Scotland; to confer functions on the Electoral Commission in relation to local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 10||
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|[[Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the certification of death and still-birth certificates; to make provision for medical reviewers, the senior medical reviewer and their functions; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 11||
|-
|[[Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management of records by certain authorities; to amend the [[Public Records (Scotland) Act 1937]] (c.43) in relation to the transmission of court records to the Keeper of the Records of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 12||
|-
|[[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Protection from Harassment Act 1997]] by making provision in relation to harassment amounting to domestic abuse; to make breach of an interdict relating to domestic abuse with a power of arrest attached an offence; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 13||
|-
|[[Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing.||2011 asp 14||
|-
|[[Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protecting persons from being forced into marriage without their free and full consent and for protecting persons who have been forced into marriage without such consent; for amending the jurisdiction of the sheriff court in relation to actions for declarator of nullity of marriage; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 15||
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|[[Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the circumstances in which a person convicted or acquitted of an offence may be prosecuted anew; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 16||
|}

===2012===
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|[[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 (repealed) (ASP 2012-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create offences concerning offensive behaviour in relation to certain football matches, and concerning the communication of certain threatening material.||2012 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 2
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|[[National Library of Scotland Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=National Library of Scotland Act 2012 (ASP 2012-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the name, functions and governance of the National Library of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 3||
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|[[Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the price at which alcohol may be sold from licensed premises; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 4||
|-
|[[Land Registration etc. (Scotland) Act 2012]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and restate the law on the registration of rights to land in the land register; to enable electronic conveyancing and registration of electronic documents in the land register; to provide for the closure of the Register of Sasines in due course; to make provision about the functions of the Keeper of the Registers of Scotland; to allow electronic documents to be used for certain contracts, unilateral obligations and trusts that must be constituted by writing; to provide about the formal validity of electronic documents and for their registration; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 5||
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|[[Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law governing succession to agricultural tenancies and the review or variation of rent under such tenancies.||2012 asp 6||
|-
|[[Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules about the punishment part of non-mandatory life sentences imposed in criminal cases and to amend the rules about the disclosure of information obtained by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission.||2012 asp 7||
|-
|[[Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about policing; to make provision about fire and rescue services; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 8||
|-
|[[Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to convert certain long leases into ownership; to provide for the conversion into real burdens of certain rights and obligations under such leases; to provide for payment to former owners of land of compensation for loss of it on conversion; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 9||
|-
|[[Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision by regulations in consequence of the [[Welfare Reform Act 2012]] (in respect of matters other than reserved matters).||2012 asp 10||
|-
|[[Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding non-domestic rates and council tax in respect of unoccupied properties; and to repeal certain provisions that allow grants to be made to local authorities to meet housing needs in their areas.||2012 asp 11||
|}

===2013===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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|[[Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable local authorities to provide support to certain carers; to make provision about the way in which certain social care services are provided by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 1||
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|[[Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend provisions of the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] relating to the designation of authorities, the effect of various exemptions and the time limit for certain proceedings.||2013 asp 2||
|-
|[[Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Civil Justice Council; to make provision about contributions in respect of criminal legal assistance; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 4||
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|[[Water Resources (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the development of Scotland's water resources; to bring large-scale water abstraction under Ministerial control; to extend Scottish Water's functions and to authorise grants and loans in favour of related bodies; to permit the taking of steps for the sake of water quality; to create contracts for certain non-domestic water and sewerage services; to protect the public sewerage network from harm and to allow for maintenance of private sewage works; to enable the making of water shortage orders; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 5||
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|[[High Hedges (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about hedges which interfere with the reasonable enjoyment of residential properties.||2013 asp 6||
|-
|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fish farming and shellfish farming; about salmon fisheries and freshwater fisheries; about sea fisheries; about shellfish waters and fisheries for shellfish; about charging in connection with functions relating to fish farming, shellfish farming, salmon fisheries, freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; about fixed penalty notices for offences under certain aquaculture, fisheries and other marine legislation; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 7||
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|[[Forth Road Bridge Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management and maintenance of the Forth Road Bridge.||2013 asp 8||
|-
|[[National Trust for Scotland (Governance etc.) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to alter the status of the National Trust for Scotland's president and vice-presidents; to increase the maximum term of co-option for members of its council; to abolish representative membership of its council; and to validate use of the customary abbreviation of its name.||2013 asp 9||
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|[[Crofting (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow decrofting by owner-occupier crofters; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 10||
|-
|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of land transactions.||2013 asp 11||
|-
|[[Post-16 Education (Scotland) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the support for, and the governance of, further and higher education institutions, including provision for the regionalisation of colleges; to make provision for reviews of how further and higher education is provided; to make provision for sharing information about young people's involvement in education and training; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 12||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum (Franchise) Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about those who are entitled to vote in a referendum on the independence of Scotland, including provision for the establishment of a register of young voters for the purposes of such a referendum.||2013 asp 13||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in accordance with paragraph 5A of Part 1 of Schedule 5 to the [[Scotland Act 1998]], for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on a question about the independence of Scotland.||2013 asp 14||
|}

===2014===
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|[[Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for certain rights and support for victims and witnesses, including provision for implementing [[Directive 2012/29/EU]] of the European Parliament and the Council; and to make provision for the establishment of a committee of the Mental Welfare Commission with functions relating to persons who were placed in institutional care as children.||2014 asp 1||
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|[[Landfill Tax (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of disposals to landfill.||2014 asp 2||
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|[[Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable provision to be made for the purpose of promoting regulatory consistency; to make provision in relation to primary authorities; to enable provision to be made, and to make provision, as respects regulatory activities, and offences, relating to the environment; to make provision about regulatory functions relating to marine licensing, planning and street traders’ licences; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 3||
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|[[Burrell Collection (Lending and Borrowing) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide Glasgow City Council with additional powers to lend, including lending overseas, any items forming part of the Burrell Collection and to receive items on loan from others in both cases with agreement of the charity trustees of the Sir William Burrell Trust in accordance with a published code.||2014 asp 4||
|-
|[[Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the marriage of persons of the same sex; to make further provision as to the persons who may solemnise marriage and as to marriage procedure and the places at which civil marriages may be solemnised; to make provision for the registration of civil partnerships by celebrants of religious or belief bodies; to make provision about gender change by married persons and civil partners; to make a minor correction in relation to registration information; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 5||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 6||
|-
|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Leith Links and Surplus Fire Fund) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to create an exception to the prohibition on the construction of monuments on Leith Links; to amend the purposes for which the Surplus Fire Fund may be used; to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Surplus Fire Fund to a successor charitable trust and then dissolve the Surplus Fire Fund; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 7||
|-
|[[Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the rights of children and young people; to make provision about investigations by the Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; to make provision for and about the provision of services and support for or in relation to children and young people; to make provision for an adoption register; to make provision about children's hearings, detention in secure accommodation and consultation on certain proposals in relation to schools; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 8||
|-
|[[Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the carrying out of functions of local authorities and Health Boards; to make further provision about certain functions of public bodies; to make further provision in relation to certain functions under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 9||
|-
|[[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland and the Upper Tribunal for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 10||
|-
|[[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 11||
|-
|[[Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the procedures relating to the award of certain public contracts; to require certain authorities to produce procurement strategies and annual reports; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 12||
|-
|[[Buildings (Recovery of Expenses) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] to provide for expenses incurred by local authorities in connection with notices served or work carried out under that Act to be recovered by way of charging order.||2014 asp 13||
|-
|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about the abolition of the right to buy, social housing, the law affecting private housing, the regulation of letting agents and the licensing of sites for mobile homes.||2014 asp 14||
|-
|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of Portobello Park so as to permit the City of Edinburgh Council to appropriate it for the purposes of the Council's functions as an education authority; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 15||
|-
|[[Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Revenue Scotland; to establish Scottish tax tribunals; to put in place a general anti-avoidance rule; to make provision about the collection and management of devolved taxes; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 16||
|-
|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Badges (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about badges for display on motor vehicles used by disabled persons.||2014 asp 17||
|-
|[[Courts Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the sheriff courts; to establish a Sheriff Appeal Court; to make provision about civil court procedure; to make provision about appeals in civil proceedings; to make provision about appeals in criminal proceedings; to make provision about judges of the Court of Session; to make provision about the Scottish Land Court; to make provision about justice of the peace courts; to rename the Scottish Court Service and give it functions in relation to tribunals; to provide for assistants to the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 18||
|-
|[[Historic Environment Scotland Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Historic Environment Scotland; to make minor amendments to the law relating to the historic environment; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 19||
|}

===2015===
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|[[Food (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Food Standards Scotland and make provision as to its functions; to amend the law in relation to food; to enable provision to be made in relation to animal feeding stuffs; to make provision for administrative sanctions in relation to offences under the law in relation to food; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 2||
|-
|[[Community Charge Debt (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extinguish various liabilities arising by virtue of the Abolition of Domestic Rates Etc. (Scotland) Act 1987.||2015 asp 3||
|-
|[[Legal Writings (Counterparts and Delivery) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about execution of documents in counterpart and the delivery by electronic means of traditional documents; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 4||
|-
|[[Welfare Funds (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the maintenance of welfare funds and to provide for them to be used to help certain individuals; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 5||
|-
|[[Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about national outcomes; to confer functions on certain persons in relation to services provided by, and assets of, certain public bodies; to amend Parts 2 and 3 of the [[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]]; to enable certain bodies to buy abandoned, neglected or detrimental land; to amend section 7C of the [[Forestry Act 1967]]; to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision about supporters' involvement in and ownership of football clubs; to make provision for registers of common good property and about disposal and use of such property; to restate and amend the law on allotments; to enable participation in decision-making by specified persons having public functions; to enable local authorities to reduce or remit non-domestic rates; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 6||
|-
|[[Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reduce the voting age to 16 at elections for membership of the Scottish Parliament and local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 7||
|-
|[[Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to automatic early release of long-term prisoners from prison on licence and to allow prisoners serving all but very short sentences to be released from prison on a particular day suitable for their re-integration into the community.||2015 asp 8||
|-
|[[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] in various respects; to make provision about mental health disposals in criminal cases; to make provision as to the rights of victims of crime committed by mentally-disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 9||
|-
|[[Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the licensing and regulation of air weapons; to amend the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]; to amend and extend the licensing provisions of the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]]; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 10||
|-
|[[British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to promote the use of British Sign Language including by making provision for the preparation and publication of national plans in relation to British Sign Language and by requiring certain authorities to prepare and publish their own British Sign Language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions; and to provide for the manner in which such plans are to be prepared and for their review and updating.||2015 asp 11||
|-
|[[Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about human trafficking and slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour, including provision about offences and sentencing, provision for victim support and provision to reduce activity related to offences.||2015 asp 12||
|-
|[[Harbours (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal sections 10 to 12 of the [[Ports Act 1991]] and amend Schedules 3 and 4 to the [[Harbours Act 1964]].||2015 asp 13||
|}

===2016===
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|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about criminal justice including as to police powers and rights of suspects and as to criminal evidence, procedure and sentencing; to establish the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 1||
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|[[Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc. (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the holding of public inquiries in respect of certain deaths.||2016 asp 2||
|-
|[[Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in private motor vehicles in the presence of children, subject to limited exceptions; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 3||
|-
|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament (Amendment) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]] and the [[Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000]].||2016 asp 4||
|-
|[[Apologies (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the effect of an apology in certain legal proceedings.||2016 asp 5||
|-
|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of a piece of land currently within Princes Street Gardens so as to enable the City of Edinburgh Council to dispose of it to the National Galleries of Scotland and to provide for that same piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens, thus disapplying section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2016 asp 6||
|-
|[[Succession (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about succession; to make provision about liferents; to amend the [[Trusts (Scotland) Act 1921]]; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 7||
|-
|[[Education (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to school education about priorities, objectives and reducing pupils' inequalities of outcome; to modify the [[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]] and section 70 of the [[Education (Scotland) Act 1980]]; to make provision in relation to Gaelic medium education, the provision of school meals, the appointment of Chief Education Officers, the registration of independent schools and teachers in grant-aided schools and the standards of education and training of persons to be appointed as head teachers; to enable provision to be made requiring a minimum number of hours of school education to be provided; to enable provision to be made about school clothing grants; to extend the duty to provide early learning and childcare to certain children; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 8||
|-
|[[Carers (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about carers, including the identification of carers' needs for support through adult carer support plans and young carer statements; the provision of support to carers; the enabling of carer involvement in certain services; the preparation of local carer strategies; the establishment of information and advice services for carers; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 9||
|-
|[[Community Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about community justice, including establishing a new national body to oversee community justice and introducing requirements in relation to the achievement of particular nationally and locally determined outcomes; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 10||
|-
|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]] to make provision about an additional amount of tax to be chargeable in respect of certain transactions relating to dwellings.||2016 asp 11||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 12||
|-
|[[Scottish Elections (Dates) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of the day of the poll at the first ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament after 2016 and about the year in which local government elections fall to be held.||2016 asp 13||
|-
|[[Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc. and Care) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about tobacco, nicotine and related products, in particular to make provision about retailing, to amend the prohibition on smoking in certain areas and to control advertising and promotion; to make provision about a duty of candour following serious incidents in the course of providing care; to make provision about offences applying to ill-treatment or neglect where care is provided; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 14||
|-
|[[Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the composition of and appointment to the governing bodies and academic boards of higher education institutions; and to revise provision about the academic freedom of various persons carrying out activities at higher education and certain other institutions.||2016 asp 15||
|-
|[[Lobbying (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about lobbying, including provision for establishing and maintaining a lobbying register and the publication of a code of conduct.||2016 asp 16||
|-
|[[Scottish Fiscal Commission Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Fiscal Commission and to provide for its functions.||2016 asp 17||
|-
|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a land rights and responsibilities statement; to establish the Scottish Land Commission, provide for its functions and the functions of the Land Commissioners and the Tenant Farming Commissioner; to make provision about access to, and provision of, information about owners and controllers of land; to make provision about engaging communities in decisions relating to land; to enable certain persons to buy land to further sustainable development; to make provision for non-domestic rates to be levied on shootings and deer forests; to make provision about the change of use of common good land; to make provision about the management of deer on land; to make provision about access rights to land; to amend the law on agricultural holdings to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancy, to remove the requirement to register before tenants of certain holdings can exercise a right to buy, to provide a new power of sale where a landlord is in breach of certain obligations, to provide about rent reviews, to expand the list of the persons to whom holdings can be assigned or bequeathed and to whom holdings can be transferred on intestacy and to make provision about landlords' objections to such successor tenants, to provide for certain holdings to be relinquished where landlords agree or assigned to persons new to or progressing in farming, to provide for a 3 year amnesty period in relation to certain improvements carried out by tenants, and to provide for notice of certain improvements proposed by landlords; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 18||
|-
|[[Private Housing (Tenancies) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing; in particular to establish a new type of tenancy to be known as a private residential tenancy.||2016 asp 19||
|-
|[[Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to burial and cremation; to make provision about exhumation of human remains; to make provision in relation to the inspection and regulation of burial authorities, cremation authorities and funeral directors; to enable provision to be made for the licensing of funeral directors; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 20||
|-
|[[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]], the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1993]], Part 1 of the [[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]], Part 2 of the [[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]], the [[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]], the [[Protected Trust Deeds (Scotland) Regulations 2013]] and related enactments.||2016 asp 21||
|-
|[[Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about abusive behaviour; and to make provision about sexual harm including provision about directions to be given to juries in sexual offence cases and provision about orders to prevent future sexual harm.||2016 asp 22||
|}

===2017===
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the carriage of passengers by air from airports in Scotland. || 2017 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Limitation (Childhood Abuse) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the limitation period for actions of damages in respect of personal injuries resulting from childhood abuse. || 2017 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Railway Policing (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the arrangements for the Police Service of Scotland to police railways and railway property; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Contract (Third Party Rights) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the enforcement of contractual terms by third parties. || 2017 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of child poverty; to make provision about plans and reports relating to the targets; and to establish the Poverty and Inequality Commission and provide for its functions. || 2017 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Seat Belts on School Transport (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require that motor vehicles provided for the dedicated transport of pupils are fitted with seat belts. || 2017 asp 7 || 
|}

===2018===
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| [[Edinburgh Bakers' Widows' Fund Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Trustees of the Widows' Scheme of the Incorporation of Bakers of the City of Edinburgh to make capital payments to certain persons who might otherwise have been entitled to annuity payments from the Widows' Fund for the Incorporation of Bakers within the City of Edinburgh; to transfer the remaining property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Widows' Fund to a successor charitable trust; to dissolve the Widows' Fund; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Amendment (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Order Confirmation Act 1982 to amend the definition of  &quot;actuary&quot; and to amend the description of persons who may be elected collector of the Fund. || 2018 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to use wild animals in travelling circuses. || 2018 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about gender representation on boards of Scottish public authorities. || 2018 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence with respect to the engaging by a person in a course of behaviour which is abusive of the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make rules of criminal procedure for that offence and also for offences subject to the statutory aggravation involving abuse of partners or ex-partners. || 2018 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Repeal) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal the [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]]; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to forestry; to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to the management of forested land and other land; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament making provision about social security. || 2018 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about success fee agreements; to make provision about expenses in civil litigation; to make provision about the offices of the Auditor of the Court of Session, the auditor of the Sheriff Appeal Court and the auditor of the sheriff court; and to make provision about the bringing of civil proceedings on behalf of a group of persons. || 2018 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give retrospective effect to the amendments made by the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Additional Amount-Second Homes Main Residence Relief) (Scotland) Order 2017]]. || 2018 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Islands (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a national islands plan; to impose duties in relation to island communities on certain public authorities; to make provision about the electoral representation of island communities; and to establish a licensing scheme in respect of marine development adjacent to islands. || 2018 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law on the regulation of social landlords and to reduce the influence of local authorities over registered social landlords. || 2018 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Historical Sexual Offences (Pardons and Disregards) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon persons convicted of certain historical sexual offences and to provide a process for convictions for those offences to be disregarded. || 2018 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Prescription (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to the extinction of rights and obligations by the passage of time. || 2018 asp 15 || 
|}

===2019===
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| [[Scottish Crown Estate Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename Crown Estate Scotland (Interim Management); to make provision about the management of the Scottish Crown Estate; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate and reconstitute the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission; to make provision for its functions and for the appointment of Commissioners; to make provision for the calculation of the annual assessments payable by the owners of land benefited by the Pow; to make provision for meetings of the Commissioners and heritors; to make provision for the Commissioners to have access to the Pow over neighbouring land for necessary purposes and for the Commissioners' consent to be required for activities affecting the Pow and adjacent land etc.; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assumed rate of return on investment of particular damages awarded in personal injury cases; and to make provision in relation to periodical payments of various damages awarded in personal injury cases. || 2019 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Hutchesons' Hospital Transfer and Dissolution (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Royal Incorporation of Hutchesons' Hospital in the City of Glasgow to a successor Scottish Charitable Incorporated Organisation; to dissolve the Incorporation; and to repeal the [[Hutchesons' Hospital Act 1872]]. || 2019 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about staffing by the National Health Service and by providers of care services. || 2019 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Age of Criminal Responsibility (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 12 years and to make consequential changes to the law on the disclosure of criminal records and of other information relating to individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults; on the provision of information by the Principal Reporter to persons adversely affected by the behaviour of children; on the taking of certain children to a place of safety by the police; on the search of certain children by the police; on police interviews with certain children; and on the taking of forensic samples from certain children by the police; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Vulnerable Witnesses (Criminal Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of child witnesses and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal proceedings; to make provision about the procedure relating to taking evidence by commissioner; to make provision about the procedure for authorisation of standard special measures; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[South of Scotland Enterprise Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish South of Scotland Enterprise and to provide for its functions. || 2019 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Fuel Poverty (Targets, Definition and Strategy) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of fuel poverty; to define fuel poverty; to require the production of a fuel poverty strategy; and to make provision about reporting on fuel poverty. || 2019 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Human Tissue (Authorisation) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about authorisation of the removal and use of part of the body of a deceased person for transplantation and other purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about transgender status and history and sexual orientation to be gathered voluntarily. || 2019 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about how land is developed and used. || 2019 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Management of Offenders (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for electronic monitoring of offenders and as to certain other restrictive measures imposable on offenders; to make provision about periods and processes as regards disclosure of convictions by offenders; and to make provision concerning particular aspects of the system governing parole of offenders. || 2019 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] to make provision setting targets for the reduction of greenhouse gases emissions and to make provision about advice, plans and reports in relation to those targets, with the objective of Scotland contributing appropriately to the world's efforts to deliver on the [[Paris Agreement]] reached at the 21st Conference of the Parties of the [[United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change]]. || 2019 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the defence of reasonable chastisement; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Transport (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the production of a national strategy in relation to transport; to make provision for low emission zones; to make provision for and in connection with the powers of local transport authorities in connection with the operation of local bus services in their areas; to make provision about arrangements under which persons may be entitled to travel on local bus and other transport services; to prohibit the parking of vehicles on pavements, prohibit double parking and prohibit parking adjacent to dropped footways; to make provision enabling local authorities to make schemes under which a charge may be levied for providing workplace parking places; to make provision in connection with charges arising from parking on private land; to make provision in connection with the status of the office of the Scottish Road Works Commissioner, the Commissioner's functions and the regulation of road works; to make provision in connection with regional Transport Partnerships and to adjust the number of members on the British Waterways Board; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 17 || 
|}

==2020-2025==
===2020===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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| [[UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Union of European Football Associations European Championship that is to be held, in part, in Glasgow in 2020. || 2020 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Referendums (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the holding of referendums throughout Scotland. || 2020 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Scottish National Investment Bank Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the establishment of the Scottish National Investment Bank and to make further provision in connection with that body. || 2020 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about non-domestic rates. || 2020 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enfranchise certain persons in respect of Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; to extend to certain persons the right to vote at, stand for election at, and hold office as elected members following, Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Scottish Biometrics Commissioner and to provide for its functions in relation to the acquisition, retention, use and destruction of biometric data for criminal justice and police purposes. || 2020 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Female Genital Mutilation (Protection and Guidance) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for female genital mutilation protection orders and for guidance in relation to such orders and in relation to the prevention of female genital mutilation generally; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Scotland Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Consumer Scotland and provide for its functions as a consumer advocacy and advice body; and to require regard to be had to consumer interests. || 2020 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Reform) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections, including length of terms; to make provision about the role of the Electoral Commission in relation to those elections; to confer functions on the Electoral Management Board for Scotland in relation to Scottish parliamentary elections; to rename and make provision about the Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Disclosure (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the disclosure of criminal history and other information by the Scottish Ministers; to make amendments to the [[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties for the most serious animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal welfare offences generally, to increase the protection for service animals from being caused unnecessary suffering, to require courts to consider making disqualification orders following convictions for animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal health offences, to increase penalties in relation to certain wildlife offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to wildlife offences, to increase the protection for seals from being killed, injured or taken; to confer power on inspectors and constables, where animals have been taken into possession to alleviate their suffering, to make arrangements for the treatment, transfer or destruction of those animals; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable persons of different sexes to be in a civil partnership; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Children (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to children; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture (Retained EU Law and Data) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers to modify certain retained EU law relating to agriculture, including power to make new provision about marketing standards in relation to agricultural products and the classification of carcasses; to make provision about the collection and processing of information connected with food supply chains and agricultural activities; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 17 || 
|-
| [[Social Security Administration and Tribunal Membership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 in relation to the appointment of persons to act on behalf of applicants; the provision of information in connection with the determination of eligibility for assistance; the duty to inform about possible eligibility for assistance; the operation of top-up assistance; the diagnosis of terminal illness for disability assistance purposes; and the recovery of assistance given in error; and to modify the [[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]] in relation to the eligibility of judicial office-holders to sit in the First-tier Tribunal and the Upper Tribunal. || 2020 asp 18 || 
|}

===2021===
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| [[Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to secure the provision throughout Scotland of free period products. || 2021 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland (Amendment) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland Act 1871]] in order to abolish the offices of librarian and fiscal; to rename the Widows' Fund as the Dependents' Fund and to make further provision as regards persons entitled to the benefit of that fund; to make new provision for members of the Society to resign; and to give the Society new powers including to close the Dependents' Fund completely or close it to new members, to create new categories of membership, or to wind up the Society; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on health boards functions relating to the provision of forensic medical services to victims of sexual offences; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for Scotland in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, in particular to enable provision to be made that corresponds to provision in EU law after the United Kingdom's withdrawal; to  establish guiding principles on the environment and to require public authorities to have due regard to those principles in making policies; to establish a body with the functions of ensuring compliance by public authorities with environmental law and monitoring the effectiveness of environmental law in protecting and improving the environment; to require the preparation and publication of an environmental policy strategy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Scottish General Election (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for measures relating to protection against coronavirus to apply to the ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament due to be held on 6 May 2021. || 2021 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Workers (Retail and Age-restricted Goods and Services) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence of assaulting, threatening or abusing retail workers; and to provide for a statutory aggravation of that offence where the retail worker is enforcing a statutory age restriction. || 2021 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliament (Assistance for Political Parties) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Parliament to make provision by resolution for payments to registered political parties for the purpose of assisting members of the Parliament who are connected with the parties to perform their Parliamentary duties. || 2021 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Heat Networks (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the supply of thermal energy by a heat network, and for regulating the construction and operation of a heat network; to make provision about the powers of persons holding a heat networks licence; to make provision about conferring rights in heat network assets where a person ceases operating a heat network; to set targets relating to the supply of thermal energy by heat networks; to make provision about plans relating to increased use of heat networks; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Defamation and Malicious Publication (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of defamation; replace the common law delicts of verbal injury with delicts of malicious publication; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about restricting pre-release access to certain official statistics; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliamentary Standards (Sexual Harassment and Complaints Process) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland to investigate complaints of past sexual harassment made about members of the Parliament in respect of behaviour towards members of their own staff; to remove the default time limit for making complaints to the Commissioner; and to remove any requirement for the complainer's signature. || 2021 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[University of St. Andrews (Degrees in Medicine and Dentistry) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal paragraph 17 of schedule 6 of the [[Universities (Scotland) Act 1966]]. || 2021 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice; to make provision about an offence of racially aggravated harassment; to make provision about offences relating to stirring up hatred against a group of persons; to abolish the common law offence of blasphemy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a scheme of financial redress and related support for and in respect of survivors of historical child abuse in certain residential care settings in Scotland; to establish Redress Scotland and provide for its functions; to make provision for reporting by certain persons in relation to their redress activity; to make provision for the establishment of the Survivor Forum and the dissolution of the National Confidential Forum; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for domestic abuse protection notices and orders for the purpose of protecting a person from abusive behaviour by the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make provision for the termination of Scottish secure tenancies in cases involving behaviour by a tenant which is abusive of the tenant's partner or ex-partner. || 2021 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Tied Pubs (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Pubs Code to govern the relationship between tenants and owners of tied pubs; to establish the office of Scottish Pubs Code Adjudicator; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 17 || 
|-
| [[Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties and provide additional powers to investigate and enforce the offence of livestock worrying, and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 18 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extend the period for which Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] and Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] are in force; to provide for the expiry of certain provisions of those Parts; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 19 || 
|-
| [[Carer's Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about increasing the amount of the carer's allowance supplement. || 2021 asp 20 || 
|}

===2022===
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| [[Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to reimburse costs relating to the removal of transvaginal mesh. || 2022 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to temporarily modify sections of the [[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]] which require health boards to pay compensation for self-isolation so that, where self-isolation is for a reason relating to coronavirus, health boards have discretion as to whether to pay compensation; and to provide for the expiry of a provision of the [[Coronavirus Act 2020]] which temporarily modified the same sections of the Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008. || 2022 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Local Government Elections (Candidacy Rights of Foreign Nationals) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give to certain foreign nationals the right to stand as candidates at local government elections in Scotland in accordance with international treaty agreements entered into by the United Kingdom. || 2022 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a national good food nation plan; to require certain authorities to prepare and publish their own good food nation plans; and to provide as to the effect of all of those plans. || 2022 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Miners' Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon certain individuals convicted of certain offences committed during the 1984-85 miners' strike. || 2022 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Coronavirus) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the effect of coronavirus on the calculation of the net annual value and rateable value of lands and heritages for the purpose of non-domestic rates. || 2022 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public health protection powers; to make provision about educational establishments and school consultations; to make miscellaneous public service reforms; to modify the law on tenancies; to make temporary modifications to the law in relation to the justice system; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for licensing the purchase, acquisition, possession and use of certain fireworks; to prevent the supply of certain fireworks and pyrotechnic articles to persons under the age of 18; to limit the supply and use of certain fireworks to particular periods; to provide for the creation of firework control zones; to make provision prohibiting possession of fireworks and pyrotechnic articles in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with protecting residential tenants from increases in rent; protecting residential tenants from eviction; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 10 || 
|}

The [[Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill]] was passed by the Scottish Parliament, but denied royal assent under a [[The Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill (Prohibition on Submission for Royal Assent) Order 2023|Section 35 Order]] by the UK Government.

===2023===
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| [[Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the prohibition of hunting wild mammals using dogs; to make provision about the prohibition of trail hunting; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Moveable Transactions (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assignation of claims; to establish a register for assignation documents in respect of such claims; to make provision in relation to the granting of security in the form of a pledge over corporeal and incorporeal moveable property; to establish a register of statutory pledges; and to end the creation of agricultural charges. || 2023 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of questions of bail; to provide for the court, when sentencing, to have regard to time spent on certain bail conditions; to ensure prisoners are not released on Fridays and certain other days; to provide for the temporary release of long-term prisoners; to enable certain prisoners to be released early in emergency situations; to require certain public bodies to engage in planning for the release of prisoners; to provide support for released prisoners; to provide for information about prisoners to be given to persons or bodies supporting victims; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify certain aspects of the law relating to the regulation and administration of charities and their assets. || 2023 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland. || 2023 asp 6 || 
|}

===2024===
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| [[United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate in Scots law rights and obligations set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child; to make related provision to ensure compliance with duties relating to the Convention; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards trusts; to make provision about the effect of divorce, dissolution or annulment on a special destination and about the rights of succession to an intestate estate; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the management of wildlife through the prohibition of glue traps and snares and regulation of other wildlife traps and the licensing of land on which certain birds are to be killed or taken; and for the licensing of the making of muirburn; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to bring all under 18s within the scope of the children's hearings system and about the measures that may be included in compulsory supervision orders, the provision of information to certain persons as to disposals made by the hearings system, and about supervision and guidance for children after age 18; to make provision treating under 18s as children for the purposes of the criminal justice system and about how children are treated in that system, including providing for new safeguards for children in court, the circumstances in which courts must seek advice from a children's hearing or remit the case to a hearing for disposal, the court's power to impose driving disqualifications and penalty points despite so remitting, the operation of sexual offences notification requirements on such remittal, and the use of secure accommodation, and removing the option of young offenders institutions and remand centres, when detaining children; to make changes to provision on secure accommodation and the regulation of secure accommodation services, including those services which take children from other parts of the United Kingdom; to change the age at which a person is a child for the purposes of antisocial behaviour orders; to repeal provisions on the named person service and on child's plans; to make provision about UNCRC compatibility issues in relation to decisions to prosecute children; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the quashing of certain convictions for offences of dishonesty connected to the carrying on of a post office business at a time when the Horizon system was in use; to provide for the deletion of details of alternatives to prosecution in relation to such offences; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on the Scottish Ministers powers to identify external wall cladding systems on residential buildings that create or exacerbate risks to human life and to address those risks; to establish a register to record that a building's cladding has been assessed and that remediation works have been completed; to enable one or more schemes to be established to require persons in the building industry to contribute towards assessing and remediating dangerous cladding; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Visitor Levy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give local authorities the power to impose a levy in respect of persons staying in certain types of accommodation overnight. || 2024 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to establish a mental health moratorium; to modify the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]; and to modify the law of diligence. || 2024 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create safe access zones around premises that provide treatment for the termination of pregnancy authorised under the [[Abortion Act 1967]]. || 2024 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision enabling the support of agriculture, rural communities and the rural economy through the creation of a framework for that support; to make provision for continuing professional development for those involved in agriculture and related industries, to make provision in relation to the welfare and identification of animals, to repeal spent and superseded agricultural enactments; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 2 of the [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] to repeal the definition of &quot;woman&quot;. || 2024 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Circular Economy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a circular economy strategy; to make provision about circular economy targets; to make provision about the reduction, recycling and management of waste; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the commercial exploitation of aggregate; and to make further provision about the administration of devolved taxes. || 2024 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] in relation to the targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 15 || 
|}

===2025===
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| [[Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to the automatic early release of prisoners from prison and of children from detention; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] to make further provision about social security; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Judicial Factors (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about judicial factors; the appointment and functions of the Accountant of Court; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about eligibility of elected representatives in the Scottish Parliament and in local government and to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections. || 2025 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about a code of ethics and a duty of candour for the police; to make provision about vetting of constables and police staff; to make provision about procedures for misconduct and the consequences of certain conduct by constables; to make provision about the functions of the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner; and to make provision for a board to advise the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner. || 2025 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to a code of practice in relation to the acquisition of dogs; and to ensure public awareness and understanding of the code of practice. || 2025 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2026/27, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 7 || 
|}

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==1999==
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|[[Mental Health (Public Safety and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 1999]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to add public safety to the grounds for not discharging certain patients detained under the [[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984]]; to provide for appeal against the decision of the sheriff on applications by these patients for their discharge; and to amend the definition of “mental disorder” in that Act.||1999 asp 1||{{RepealedUK|Scot=[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]]}}
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==2000-2009==
===2000===
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|[[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public resources and finances and, for the purposes of section 70 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]], about accountability for their use; and for connected purposes||2000 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2000/01, for payments out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund and the application of sums otherwise payable into the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for payments out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 2||
|-
|[[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about religion to be gathered.||2000 asp 3||
|-
|[[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the property, financial affairs and personal welfare of adults who are incapable by reason of mental disorder or inability to communicate; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 4||
|-
|[[Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Abolition of Feudal Tenure etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the feudal system of land tenure; to abolish a related system of land tenure; to make new provision as respects the ownership of land; to make consequential provision for the extinction and recovery of feuduties and of certain other perpetual periodical payments and for the extinction by prescription of any obligation to pay redemption money under the [[Land Tenure Reform (Scotland) Act 1974]]; to make further provision as respects real burdens affecting land; to provide for the disentailment of land; to discharge all rights of irritancy held by superiors; to abolish the obligation of thirlage; to prohibit with certain exceptions the granting of leases over land for periods exceeding 175 years; to make new provision as respects conveyancing; to enable firms with separate personality to own land; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 5||
|-
|[[Standards in Scotland's Schools etc. Act 2000]] {{ssl|Standards in Scotland’s Schools etc. Act 2000 (ASP 2000-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects school education, the welfare of pupils attending independent schools and corporal punishment of pupils for whom school education is provided; to make further provision as respects School Boards; to make further provision as respects the functions, constitution and structure of the General Teaching Council for Scotland; to abolish the committee known as the Scottish Joint Negotiating Committee for School Education; to make further provision relating to the inspection of institutions within the higher education sector which educate and train persons to be, or persons who are, teachers in schools; and for connected purposes.||2000 asp 6||
|-
|[[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a framework for securing the observance of high standards of conduct by councillors and other persons holding public appointments; and to repeal section 2A of the [[Local Government Act 1986]] and make provision as to how councils are to exercise functions which relate principally to children.||2000 asp 7||
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|[[Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Education and Training (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment of grants in respect of the education and training of certain individuals.||2000 asp 8||
|-
|[[Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Bail, Judicial Appointments etc. (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the law about bail; to enable alteration in the number of judges in the Inner House of the Court of Session; to abolish temporary sheriffs and create a new kind of sheriff; to change the law about justices of the peace; and to abolish district court prosecutions brought on behalf of or by local authorities.||2000 asp 9||
|-
|[[National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|National Parks (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for National Parks.||2000 asp 10||
|-
|[[Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000]] {{ssl|Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000 (ASP 2000-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate surveillance and the use of covert human intelligence sources.||2000 asp 11||
|-
|[[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Amendment (Scotland) Act 2000]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 7(4) of the [[Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967]] in respect of rights of several fishery.||2000 asp 12||
|}

===2001===
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|[[Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001]] {{ssl|Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name1=original act|Correction Slip - Abolition of Poindings and Warrant Sales Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-1 qp).pdf|name2=correction slip}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish poindings and warrant sales.||2001 asp 1||
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|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Transport (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about transport; to make provision as respects certain bridges; to amend section 21 of the [[Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970]]; to amend section 40 of the [[Road Traffic Act 1988]]; to amend sections 26, 28 and 63 of the [[Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 2||
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|[[Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Salmon Conservation (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the conservation of salmon and sea trout.||2001 asp 3||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2001/02, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 4||
|-
|[[Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Leasehold Casualties (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the extinction of leasehold casualties; for the payment of compensation on their extinction; for irritancy provisions in certain leases of land to be void; for the disapplication, in relation to certain leases, of the rule of law entitling a landlord in certain circumstances to terminate a lease; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 5||
|-
|[[Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Education (Graduate Endowment and Student Support) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the payment by certain persons of the graduate endowment; to make provision in relation to the use of income arising from the graduate endowment for the purposes of the financial support of students; to make further provision as respects financial support for students; and to make provision exempting students from liability for council tax.||2001 asp 6||
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|[[Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Convention Rights (Compliance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend certain enactments relating to the sentencing and release of life prisoners, the constitution and powers of the Parole Board, legal advice and assistance and legal aid, homosexual offences and the appointment and removal of the procurator fiscal of the Lyon Court which are or may be incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights; and to enable further changes in the law where it is or may be incompatible with the Convention.||2001 asp 7||
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|[[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care and the Scottish Social Services Council; to make provision for the registration and regulation of care services and for the registration, regulation and training of social service workers; to enable local authorities to make grants in respect of activities relating to child care and family support and to make direct payments to children in respect of certain care services; to enable the Scottish Ministers to delegate a power to make certain grants and loans for social work; to make further provision as respects payments by local authorities towards maintenance of certain children residing with and being cared for by persons other than their parents; to enable local authorities to provide and maintain residential accommodation in which nursing is provided; to make further provision as respects persons who have been looked after by local authorities; to amend the definition of “place of safety&quot; in the [[Children (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to make further provision as respects the appointment for children of curators ad litem, reporting officers and safeguarders; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 8||
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|[[Scottish Local Authorities (Tendering) Act 2001]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the time limit on the period during which the provisions about competition in the [[Local Government Act 1988]] may be modified in relation to local authorities.||2001 asp 9||
|-
|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Housing (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about homelessness and the allocation of housing accommodation by social landlords, the tenants of social landlords, the regulation of social landlords, Scottish Homes, the strategic housing functions of the Scottish Ministers and local authorities and grants for improvement and repairs; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 10||
|-
|[[Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Mortgage Rights (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the suspension in certain circumstances of enforcement rights of a creditor in a standard security over property used for residential purposes and the continuation of proceedings relating to those rights; to make provision for notifying tenants and other occupiers of enforcement action by a creditor in a standard security; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 11||
|-
|[[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001]] {{ssl|Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restore, with retrospective effect (other than as regards criminal liability), the power to levy tolls conferred by section 1(1) of the [[Erskine Bridge Tolls Act 1968]]; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 12||
|-
|[[International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|International Criminal Court (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for offences under the law of Scotland corresponding to offences within the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court; to enable assistance to be provided to that court in relation to investigations and prosecutions; to make provision in relation to the enforcement of sentences and orders of that court; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 13||
|-
|[[Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Protection from Abuse (Scotland) Act 2001 (ASP 2001-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable a power of arrest to be attached to interdicts granted to protect individuals from abuse; to regulate the consequences of such attachment; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 14||
|-
|[[Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001]] {{ssl|Police and Fire Services (Finance) (Scotland) Act 2001 (repealed) (ASP 2001-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the carrying forward by police authorities, joint police boards and joint fire boards of unspent balances from one financial year to the next; and for connected purposes.||2001 asp 15||
|}

===2002===
{| class=&quot;wikitable sortable&quot;
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|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the synchronisation of the polls at local government elections with the polls at elections to the Scottish Parliament; to make some minor rectifications in enactments relating to the timing of elections; and to make provision in relation to the casting and counting of votes at, and the sending of election communications in connection with, local government elections.||2002 asp 1||
|-
|[[School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law about the provision of education for children under school age for whom placing requests have been made; and to make provision relating to the abolition of the post of assistant headteacher.||2002 asp 2||
|-
|[[Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Water Industry (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision in relation to the Water Industry Commissioner for Scotland and to provide for the establishment of Water Customer Consultation Panels; to make further provision in relation to the regulation of the quality of drinking water; to make provision for the establishment of Scottish Water, the transfer to Scottish Water of the functions of the water and sewerage authorities established by section 62(1) of the [[Local Government etc. (Scotland) Act 1994]] and the dissolution of those authorities and in relation to the functions of Scottish Water; to make further amendments of the law relating to water and sewerage; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 3||
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|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide, retrospectively, as to the effect on trial diets in summary proceedings of arrest warrants granted at intermediate diets.||2002 asp 4||
|-
|[[Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Community Care and Health (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects social care; to make provision in relation to arrangements and payments between National Health Service bodies and local authorities as respects certain of their functions; to amend the law relating to the National Health Service; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 5||
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|[[Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Protection of Wild Mammals (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to protect wild mammals from being hunted with dogs; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 6||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2002/03, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 7||
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|[[Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Marriage (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Marriage (Scotland) Act 1977]] to enable civil marriages to be solemnised in certain places approved by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 8||
|-
|[[Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Sexual Offences (Procedure and Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit persons charged with certain sexual offences from conducting their own defence at the trial; to provide for the appointment of solicitors to defend those persons where they do not make those appointments themselves; to prevent those persons from personally precognoscing or taking statements from alleged victims; to require those persons to give notice of defences of consent; to make new provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of alleged victims at trials of those persons for those offences; to provide for disclosure of those persons' previous convictions of sexual offences where such evidence is allowed; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 9||
|-
|[[Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Fur Farming (Prohibition) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the keeping of animals solely or primarily for slaughter for the value of their fur; to provide for the making of payments in respect of the related closure of certain businesses; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 10||
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|[[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002 (ASP 2002-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 91 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) for the appointment and functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 11||
|-
|[[Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Education (Disability Strategies and Pupils’ Educational Records) (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require bodies responsible for schools to prepare and implement strategies relating to the accessibility, for pupils with a disability, of school education; and to make provision in respect of the educational records of school pupils.||2002 asp 12||
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|[[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the disclosure of information held by Scottish public authorities or by persons providing services for them; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 13||
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|[[Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Qualifications Authority Act 2002 (ASP 2002-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the members of the Scottish Qualifications Authority; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to regulate the procedure of that Authority; to provide for the establishment of a committee to consider and advise on matters relating to qualifications awarded by, and the functions and procedures of, that Authority; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 14||
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|[[University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002]] {{ssl|University of St. Andrews (Postgraduate Medical Degrees) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to permit the University of St. Andrews to grant postgraduate research degrees in medicine to qualified medical practitioners.||2002 asp 15||
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002]] {{ssl|Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner Act 2002 (ASP 2002-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner to investigate complaints about the conduct of members of the Parliament and to report upon the outcome of such investigations to the Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 16||
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|[[Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002]] {{ssl|Debt Arrangement and Attachment (Scotland) Act 2002 (ASP 2002-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide a scheme under which individuals may arrange for their debts to be paid under payment programmes; to create a new diligence in relation to corporeal moveable property owned by a debtor; to make special provision for the use of that diligence in relation to property kept in dwellinghouses; to abolish poindings and warrant sales; and for connected purposes.||2002 asp 17||
|}

===2003===
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|[[Local Government in Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|Local Government in Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide anew about the way in which local authorities discharge their functions and about the local provision of certain public services; to give local authorities power to do things which they consider will advance well-being; to provide exemptions and reliefs from non-domestic rates in relation to certain lands and heritages; to confer power on the Scottish Ministers to combine certain lands and heritages for the purposes of assessing rateable value; to require local authorities to prepare, and endeavour to implement, a plan relating to the carrying out of their waste disposal and collection functions; to make new provision about the capital expenditure of those authorities and about the making of capital grants to them; to make some miscellaneous provisions connected with the functions of local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 1||
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|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish statutory public rights of access to land for recreational and other purposes, and to extend some of the provisions for that purpose to rights of way and other rights; to make provision under which bodies representing rural and crofting communities may buy the land with which those communities have a connection; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 2||
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|[[Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Water Environment and Water Services (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protection of the water environment, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2000/60/EC]]; to amend the [[Sewerage (Scotland) Act 1968]] and the [[Water (Scotland) Act 1980]] in relation to the provision of water and sewerage services; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 3||
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|[[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make provision in respect of appointments to certain public bodies; to dissolve certain public bodies; to make provision as to certain functions of Health Boards and National Health Service trusts; to make provision as to the functions of the Law Society of Scotland and the Scottish Solicitors' Discipline Tribunal regarding the regulation of conveyancing and executry practitioners and the provision of services by such practitioners; to make modifications in relation to those services, including conferring certain notarial and other functions on such practitioners; to establish the Historic Environment Advisory Council for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 4||
|-
|[[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to keep a list of individuals whom they consider to be unsuitable to work with children; to prohibit individuals included in the list, and individuals who are similarly regarded in other jurisdictions, from doing certain work relating to children; to make further provision in relation to that list; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 5||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Budget (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2003/04, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund, for the maximum amount of relevant expenditure for the purposes of section 94(5) of the [[Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973]] (c. 65) and the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; to amend section 3 of, and schedule 1 to, the [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2001]] (asp 4); and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 6||
|-
|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to criminal justice, criminal procedure and evidence in criminal proceedings; to make provision as to the arrest, sentencing, custody and release of offenders and the obtaining of reports in relation to offenders; to make provision for the provision of assistance by local authorities to persons who are arrested and are in police custody or who are subject to a deferred sentence and for the making of grants to local authorities exercising jointly certain functions in relation to offenders and other persons; to make provision for the protection of the public at large from persons with a propensity to commit certain offences and for the establishment of the Risk Management Authority; to make provision for the granting of certain rights to the victims of crime; to make provision as to the jurisdiction of courts and the designation of certain courts as drugs courts; to make provision in relation to the physical punishment of children; to create offences in connection with traffic in prostitution or for purposes connected with pornography; to make provision as to the criminal law as it relates to bribery and the acceptance of bribes; to make provision in relation to criminal legal assistance; to require the aggravation of an offence by religious prejudice to be taken into account in sentencing; to make provision as respects police ranks and the powers and duties of certain civilians employed by police authorities; to make provision for the disqualification of convicted persons from jury service in both criminal and civil proceedings and for the separation of juries after retiral; to make provision for the use of live television links between prisons and courts; to make provision in relation to warrants to search; to amend Part V of the [[Police Act 1997]] in its application to Scotland; to make provision in relation to the prohibition of certain matters in respect of cases referred to the Principal Reporter; to amend the law relating to penalties for wildlife offences; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 7||
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|[[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Building (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision with respect to buildings, building standards, work in relation to buildings and related matters; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 8||
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|[[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as respects real burdens, servitudes and certain other obligations affecting land; to amend the law relating to the ranking of standard securities; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 9||
|-
|[[Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|Homelessness etc. (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about homelessness; to provide for the giving of notice to local authorities of proceedings for possession and enforcement of standard securities; to amend section 18 of the [[Housing (Scotland) Act 1988]] in relation to recovery of possession of assured tenancies for non-payment of rent; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 10||
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|[[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to agricultural holdings under the [[Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991]]; to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancies and to make provision in relation to these tenancies; to provide for the right of certain agricultural tenants to buy land; to provide for the use of certain agricultural land for non-agricultural purposes; to make special provision for certain agricultural tenancies where the tenant is a partnership; to make new provision for the resolution of disputes between landlords and tenants arising under agricultural tenancies; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 11||
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|[[Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Dog Fouling (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the offence of dog fouling, including fixed penalty notices for such an offence; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 12||
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|[[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-13 qp).pdf}} ||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 13||
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|[[Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Council of the Law Society of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the discharge of functions of the Council of the Law Society of Scotland and the appointment and constitution of committees and sub-committees of that Council.||2003 asp 14||
|-
|[[Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Salmon and Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate, with amendments recommended by the Scottish Law Commission, the enactments relating to salmon and freshwater fisheries in Scotland.||2003 asp 15||
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|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=National Galleries of Scotland Act 2003 (ASP 2003-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for a certain piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens and to disapply the effect of section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2003 asp 16||
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|[[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 17||
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|[[Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Education (School Meals) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers on the Scottish Ministers to prescribe circumstances in which education authorities are obliged to ensure that provision is made for pupils to receive milk, meals or other refreshments free of charge; and to provide that the first exercise of those powers has retrospective effect.||2003 asp 18||
|-
|[[Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003]] {{ssl|1=Robin Rigg Offshore Wind Farm (Navigation and Fishing) (Scotland) Act 2003 (ASP 2003-19 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to regulate matters relating to navigation and fishing in connection with the provision of an offshore wind farm in navigable waters within the Solway Firth; and for connected purposes.||2003 asp 19||
|}

===2004===
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|[[Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the provision of primary medical services; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2004/05, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 2||
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|[[Vulnerable Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of children and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal or civil proceedings; to provide for evidential presumptions in criminal proceedings where certain reports of identification procedures are lodged as productions; to make provision about the admissibility of expert psychological or psychiatric evidence as to subsequent behaviour of the complainer in criminal proceedings in respect of certain offences; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof where a child witness under the age of 12 is to give evidence at the trial; to enable the court to prohibit persons from conducting their own defence at the trial and any victim statement proof in other criminal proceedings in which a vulnerable witness is to give evidence; to prohibit persons charged with certain offences from seeking to precognosce personally a child under the age of 12; to make provision about the admissibility of certain evidence bearing on the character, conduct or condition of witnesses in proceedings before a sheriff relating to the establishment of grounds of referral to children’s hearings; to abolish the competence test for witnesses in criminal and civil proceedings; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 3||
|-
|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for additional support in connection with the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 4||
|-
|[[Criminal Procedure (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in connection with proceedings in the High Court of Justiciary, for the holding of preliminary hearings prior to the trial diet; to make new provision as to the continuation of the trial diet in proceedings in the High Court; to amend the time limit for commencement of the trial in proceedings in the High Court; in connection with solemn criminal proceedings generally, to amend the consequences of failure to comply with time limits, to make further provision as to citation of the accused, witnesses and jurors, to require any solicitor engaged by the accused to notify the court and the prosecutor of his engagement, withdrawal and dismissal, to make new provision as to the procedure where the trial diet does not proceed, to enable the trial to be conducted in the absence of the accused in certain circumstances, to provide for the apprehension, detention and release on bail of obstructive witnesses, to enable notices and other documents to be served on the accused through his solicitor, to restate with modifications certain provisions in relation to the raising of preliminary pleas and issues and to make new provision as to the adjournment and alteration of diets; to enable persons to be released on bail subject to a requirement that their compliance with conditions of bail restricting their movements be remotely monitored; to make provision entitling the prosecutor to be heard on certain applications relating to bail; to make further provision as to the matters to be dealt with by the sheriff court at a first diet in solemn proceedings; to make new provision as to the procedure to be followed by the court in sentencing offenders who have pled guilty; to increase from three to five years the maximum extended sentence that may be imposed by a sheriff on persons convicted on indictment of certain violent and sexual offences; to make new provision as to the citation of witnesses for precognition by the prosecutor; to clarify when criminal proceedings are finally determined for the purposes of section 10 of the [[Protection of Children (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 5); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 5||
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|[[Nature Conservation (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the conservation of biodiversity; to make further provision in relation to the conservation and enhancement of Scotland’s natural features; to amend the law relating to the protection of certain birds, animals and plants; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 6||
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|[[National Health Service Reform (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the organisation and operation of the National Health Service and the promotion of health improvement; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 7||
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|[[Antisocial Behaviour etc. (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with antisocial behaviour; to make provision about criminal justice; to make provision in relation to child welfare; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 8||
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|[[Local Governance (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the election of councillors by single transferable vote and in relation to candidates to be councillor; to make provision in relation to certain restrictions upon being a councillor and upon former councillors; to make new provision about remuneration for and other payments to councillors; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 9||
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|[[Stirling-Alloa-Kincardine Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from Stirling to Kincardine; to authorise the construction of the Alloa Eastern Link Road, necessitated by the railway; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 10||
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|[[Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the boundaries and pertinents of properties comprised in tenements and for the regulation of the rights and duties of the owners of properties comprised in tenements; to make minor amendments of the [[Title Conditions (Scotland) Act 2003]] (asp 9); and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 11||
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|[[School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004]] {{ssl|1=School Education (Ministerial Powers and Independent Schools) (Scotland) Act 2004 (ASP 2004-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer power on the Scottish Ministers, following inspection of a public or grant-aided school or of an education authority, to direct the school managers or the authority to take specified action; to provide that all non-public schools which provide full-time education for pupils of school age are independent schools; to abolish provisional registration of independent schools; to make amended provision for the registration and regulation of independent schools; to provide for appeals to the sheriff principal against certain decisions by the Scottish Ministers in relation to such schools; and for connected purposes.||2004 asp 12||
|}

===2005===
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|[[Breastfeeding etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to prevent or stop a person in charge of a child who is otherwise permitted to be in a public place or licensed premises from feeding milk to that child in that place or on those premises; to make provision in relation to the promotion of breastfeeding; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 1||
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|[[Emergency Workers (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to assault or impede persons who provide emergency services; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 2||
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|[[Water Services etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Water Industry Commission for Scotland; to create offences in relation to the unauthorised use of the public water and sewerage systems; to provide for licensing the provision of certain water and sewerage services; to amend the system for fixing charges for services provided by Scottish Water; to make provision as to Scottish Water’s functions; to make provision in relation to coal mine water pollution; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2005/06, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 4||
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|[[Fire (Scotland) Act 2005]]|| An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fire and rescue authorities and joint fire and rescue boards; to restate and amend the law in relation to fire services; to make provision in relation to the functions of such authorities and boards in connection with certain events and situations other than fires; to make provision for implementing in part Council [[Directive 1989/391/EEC|Directives 89/391/EEC]], [[Directive 1989/654/EEC|89/654/EEC]], [[Directive 1991/383/EEC|91/383/EEC]], [[Directive 1994/33/EC|94/33/EC]], [[Directive 1998/24/EC|98/24/EC]] and [[Directive 1999/92/EC|99/92/EC]]; to make other provision in relation to fire safety in certain premises; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 5||
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|[[Further and Higher Education (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision establishing the Scottish Further and Higher Education Funding Council and provision as to its functions; to make provision as to support for further and higher education; to make provision relating to bodies which provide further and higher education; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 6||
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|[[Gaelic Language (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a body having functions exercisable with a view to securing the status of the Gaelic language as an official language of Scotland commanding equal respect to the English language, including the functions of preparing a national Gaelic language plan, of requiring certain public authorities to prepare and publish Gaelic language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions and to maintain and implement such plans, and of issuing guidance in relation to Gaelic education.||2005 asp 7||
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|[[Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to female genital mutilation and to provide for extra-territorial effect; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 8||
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|[[Protection of Children and Prevention of Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to meet a child following certain preliminary contact and to make other provision for the purposes of protecting children from harm of a sexual nature, including provision for implementing in part Council Framework [[Decision 2004/68/JHA]]; and to make further provision about the prevention of sexual offences.||2005 asp 9||
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|[[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about charities and other benevolent bodies; to make provision about fundraising in connection with charities and other benevolent bodies; to amend the law in relation to the investment powers of trustees; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 10||
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|[[Baird Trust Reorganization Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Baird Trust to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve The Baird Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 11||
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|[[Transport (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the setting up and functions of new transport bodies and to enable the Scottish Ministers to discharge certain transport functions; to provide further for the control and co-ordination of road works and for the enforcement of the duties placed on those who carry them out; to set up national concessionary fares schemes; and to make other, miscellaneous modifications of the law relating to transport.||2005 asp 12||
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|[[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in certain wholly or substantially enclosed places; to enable the Scottish Ministers by order to vary the minimum age limit of those to whom tobacco may be sold; to make provision in relation to general dental services, general ophthalmic services, personal dental services, pharmaceutical care services and detection of vision problems in children; to make provision in relation to disqualification by the NHS Tribunal; to enable the Scottish Ministers to establish a scheme for the making of payments to certain persons infected with hepatitis C as a result of NHS treatment and to certain persons infected with the virus by transmission of it from a person infected with it as a result of such treatment; to amend the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]] as respects what constitutes an independent health care service, the implementation of certain decisions by the Scottish Commission for the Regulation of Care or the Scottish Social Services Council, the provision of information to the Council and the minimum frequency of inspection of care services by the Commission; to make provision providing further time for applications to be made for registration of child care agencies and housing support services under the Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001 and provide authorisation for the payment of certain grants to such services while not registered under that Act; to amend the [[Adults with Incapacity (Scotland) Act 2000]] as respects authorisation of medical treatment; to amend the [[Public Health (Scotland) Act 1897]] to introduce a right of appeal in certain cases under that Act; to enable the Scottish Ministers to form, participate in and provide assistance to companies for the purpose of providing facilities or services for persons exercising functions under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]] or of making money available to the health service in Scotland; to amend the rules as to membership of and other matters relating to the Scottish Hospital Endowments Research Trust; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 13||
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|[[Management of Offenders etc. (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the establishment of community justice authorities; to make further provision for the supervision and care of persons put on probation or released from prison etc.; to make further provision as respects the procedures etc. of the Risk Management Authority; to make further provision as respects the powers of the High Court following the submission of a risk assessment report or of a report under section 210D of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]]; to amend Part 1 of the Prisoners and [[Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993]] so as to make further provision as respects the release of prisoners on licence; to make further provision for testing prisoners for drugs; to make further provision as respects the jurisdiction of the Scottish courts in proceedings for offences in relation to the notification requirements of Part 2 of the [[Sexual Offences Act 2003]]; to make further provision as respects proceedings in relation to an objection to the content of a risk assessment report; to make provision about the recovery of compensation from offenders; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 14||
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|[[Environmental Assessment (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the assessment of the environmental effects of certain plans and programmes, including plans and programmes to which [[Directive 2001/42/EC]] of the European Parliament and of the Council relates; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 15||
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|[[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the sale of alcohol, and for regulating licensed premises and other premises on which alcohol is sold; and for connected purposes.||2005 asp 16||
|}

===2006===
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing standards; to confer a right to adapt rented houses to meet the needs of disabled occupants; to provide for the giving of assistance by local authorities in connection with work carried out in relation to houses; to require certain information to be made available on the sale of houses; to regulate the multiple occupation of houses and certain other types of living accommodation; to make provision about mobile homes; to make provision about matters to be considered by local authorities when assessing suitability of persons to act as a landlord; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 1||
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|[[Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in relation to marriage, divorce and the jurisdiction of the courts in certain consistorial actions; to amend the [[Matrimonial Homes (Family Protection) (Scotland) Act 1981]]; to amend the law relating to the domicile of persons who are under 16 years of age; to make further provision as respects responsibilities and rights in relation to children; to make provision conferring rights in relation to property, succession and claims in damages for persons living, or having lived, together as if husband and wife or civil partners; to amend Part 3 of the [[Civil Partnership Act 2004]]; to make further provision in relation to persons entitled to damages under the [[Damages (Scotland) Act 1976]]; to make provision in relation to certain rules of private international law relating to family law; to make incompetent actions for declarator of freedom and putting to silence; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 2||
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|[[Joint Inspection of Children's Services and Inspection of Social Work Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the carrying out of joint inspections of the provision of services to children; and to make provision as to the appointment of persons to act as social work inspectors and their functions.||2006 asp 3||
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|[[Human Tissue (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to activities involving human tissue.||2006 asp 4||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2006/07, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 5||
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|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line Two) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh following a western course from St Andrew Square, via Princes Street, Haymarket, Murrayfield and South Gyle to Edinburgh Airport and Newbridge; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 6||
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|[[Edinburgh Tram (Line One) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction and operation of a tram line in Edinburgh forming a loop from St Andrew Square, along Leith Walk to Leith, west to Granton, south to Haymarket and back to St Andrew Square via Princes Street; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 7||
|-
|[[Scottish Schools (Parental Involvement) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the involvement of parents in their children's education and in school education generally; to provide for the establishment of councils to represent the parents of pupils attending public schools; to abolish School Boards; to make further provision as regards the appointment of teachers; to make further provision as regards the content of the development plan for a school; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 8||
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|[[Senior Judiciary (Vacancies and Incapacity)]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the exercise of functions during vacancies in the offices of Lord President of the Court of Session and Lord Justice Clerk and the incapacity of the holders of those offices.||2006 asp 9||
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|[[Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the police; to make further provision about public order and safety; to make further provision about criminal justice; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 10||
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|[[Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Animal Health Act 1981]], including by making provision for preventing the spread of disease; to make provision for the welfare of animals, including for prevention of harm; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 11||
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|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 39 of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about the registration and declaration of interests of members of the Scottish Parliament and the prohibition of advocacy by such members in return for payment or benefit in kind; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 12||
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|[[Waverley Railway (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the reconstruction of a railway from a point in Midlothian immediately south of Newcraighall in the City of Edinburgh to Tweedbank in Scottish Borders, including stations at Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels and Tweedbank; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 13||
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|[[Local Electoral Administration and Registration Services (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the administration and conduct of local government elections; to reorganise local registration services; to amend the law in relation to the registration of births and deaths and the procedure in relation to marriages and civil partnerships; to provide for the recording of certain events occurring outwith Scotland in relation to persons who have a Scottish connection; to make available certain information and records held by the Registrar General; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 14||
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|[[Tourist Boards (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename the Scottish Tourist Board, to increase the maximum number of members of that body and to abolish area tourist boards.||2006 asp 15||
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|[[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of the Scottish Commission for Human Rights.||2006 asp 16||
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|[[Planning etc. (Scotland) Act 2006]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision relating to town and country planning; to make provision for business improvement districts; and for connected purposes.||2006 asp 17||
|}

===2007===
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|[[Glasgow Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of a railway from a point east of Paisley St James Station to Glasgow Airport and to make improvements in the existing railway between Paisley St James Station and Glasgow Central Station; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 1||
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|[[St Andrews's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a bank holiday for St Andrew's Day.||2007 asp 2||
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|[[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of sequestration and personal insolvency; to amend the law about floating charges; to establish a Scottish Civil Enforcement Commission and replace officers of court with judicial officers; to amend the law of diligence; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 3||
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|[[Adoption and Children (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to adoption; to make other provision in relation to the care of children; to enable provision to be made in relation to allowances in respect of certain children; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 4||
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|[[Legal Profession and Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Legal Complaints Commission; to make provision as regards complaints against members of the legal profession in Scotland and other matters concerning the regulation of that profession; to make provision in connection with the administration of the Scottish Legal Aid Fund, including a register of advice organisations in connection with advice and assistance; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 5||
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|[[Criminal Proceedings etc. (Reform) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to bail in criminal proceedings; to reform certain aspects of summary criminal procedure; to make provision in relation to solemn criminal procedure; to make provision as to maximum penalties in the summary criminal courts; to make provision for the purpose of compensation orders in favour of victims of offences; to make provision for and in relation to alternatives to prosecution; to make provision as to enforcement of financial penalties for offences; to make provision establishing the JP court and for disestablishing the district court; to provide for the inspection of the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 6||
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|[[Crofting Reform etc. Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards crofting and as regards the Scottish Land Court; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 7||
|-
|[[Transport and Works (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the making of orders related to, or to matters connected with, the construction or operation of railways, tramways, other guided transport systems, trolley vehicle systems and inland waterways; to make changes to procedures applicable to orders and schemes under the [[Roads (Scotland) Act 1984]], the [[Harbours Act 1964]] and the [[Pilotage Act 1987]]; to make further provision as regards grants for purposes relating to transport; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 8||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2007/08, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 9||
|-
|[[Adult Support and Protection (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purposes of protecting adults from harm; to require the establishment of committees with functions relating to the safeguarding of adults who are at risk of harm; to amend the law relating to incapable adults; to remove an individual’s liability for expenses incurred by councils in performing certain functions in relation to the individual’s spouse or child; to allow the Scottish Ministers to delegate their functions relating to councils' duty to pay sums for the purposes of securing community care services; to make provision entitling a council to recover expenses incurred in providing social services to persons who are not ordinarily resident in the council’s area; to allow the Public Guardian to intervene in court proceedings; to amend the law relating to mentally disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 10||
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|[[Prostitution (Public Places) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision in relation to prostitution in public places; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 11||
|-
|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to fish farms and shellfish farms; in relation to the parasite ''Gyrodactylus salaris''; in relation to salmon and freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; in relation to payments connected with aquaculture and fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 12||
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|[[Christmas Day and New Year's Day Trading (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit the opening of large shops on Christmas Day and to confer power to prohibit the opening of such shops on New Year’s Day for the purpose of retail trading.||2007 asp 13||
|-
|[[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to bar certain individuals from working with children or certain adults; to require the Scottish Ministers to keep lists of those individuals; to make further provision in relation to those lists; to establish a scheme under which information about individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults is collated and disclosed; to amend Part 5 of the [[Police Act 1997]]; to amend the meaning of school care accommodation service in the [[Regulation of Care (Scotland) Act 2001]]; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 14||
|-
|[[Schools (Health Promotion and Nutrition) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the promotion of health in certain schools and certain school hostels; and to amend the law in relation to the provision of food and drink for certain pupils.||2007 asp 15||
|-
|[[Edinburgh Airport Rail Link Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways to link Edinburgh Airport to the national rail network; to make provision concerning planning agreements and developer contributions relating to the railway; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 16||
|-
|[[Custodial Sentences and Weapons (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the confinement and release of prisoners; to make provision relating to the control of weapons; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 17||
|-
|[[Rights of Relatives to Damages (Mesothelioma) (Scotland) Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law concerning the right of certain relatives of a deceased person to claim damages in respect of the death of the deceased from mesothelioma.||2007 asp 18||
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|[[Airdrie-Bathgate Railway and Linked Improvements Act 2007]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to authorise the construction of new railways between Drumgelloch and Bathgate, including new stations at Caldercruix and Armadale; to authorise the use of land for relocated stations at Drumgelloch and Bathgate; to authorise related improvements to the existing railways between Airdrie and Drumgelloch and Bathgate and Edinburgh; to regularise the operation of certain enactments relating to the existing railway affected by the works so authorised; and for connected purposes.||2007 asp 19||
|}

===2008===
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|[[Abolition of Bridge Tolls (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish tolls on road bridges; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2008/09, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 2||
|-
|[[Graduate Endowment Abolition (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the graduate endowment; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 3||
|-
|[[Glasgow Commonwealth Games Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Commonwealth Games that are to be held principally in Glasgow in 2014.||2008 asp 4||
|-
|[[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law on public health; to make provision about mortuaries and the disposal of bodies; to enable the Scottish Ministers to implement their obligations under the International Health Regulations; to make provision relating to the use, sale or hire of sunbeds; to amend the law on statutory nuisances; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 5||
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|[[Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the judiciary and the courts; to establish the Scottish Court Service; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 6||
|-
|[[Scottish Register of Tartans Act 2008]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of tartans; and for connected purposes.||2008 asp 7||
|}

===2009===
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Pensions Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set out rules to govern the Scottish Parliamentary Pension Scheme; to provide for the payment of resettlement grants to individuals when they stop being members of the Scottish Parliament or holding certain offices; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 1||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2009/10, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 2||
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|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Places (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the duties of local authorities in relation to parking places for use by disabled persons' vehicles; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 3||
|-
|[[Damages (Asbestos-related Conditions) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide that certain asbestos-related conditions are actionable personal injuries; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 4||
|-
|[[Health Boards (Membership and Elections) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the constitution of Health Boards; to provide for piloting of the election of certain members of Health Boards; to require the Scottish Ministers to report on those pilots; to confer a power to extend those elections to all Health Board areas following publication of that report; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 5||
|-
|[[Flood Risk Management (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the assessment and sustainable management of flood risks, including provision for implementing European Parliament and Council [[Directive 2007/60/EC]]; to make provision about local authorities' and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency's functions in relation to flood risk management; to amend the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]]; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 6||
|-
|[[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law in respect of placing requests in relation to the school education of children and young persons having additional support needs and in respect of arrangements between education authorities in relation to such school education; to make minor provision in relation to additional support needs; to make further provision in relation to the practice and procedure of the Additional Support Needs Tribunals for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 7||
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|[[Offences (Aggravation by Prejudice) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice relating to disability or to sexual orientation or transgender identity.||2009 asp 8||
|-
|[[Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision about sexual offences, and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 9||
|-
|[[Scottish Local Government (Elections) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as respects the year in which local government elections fall to be held; and to make provision in relation to the publication of information about votes cast at local government elections.||2009 asp 10||
|-
|[[Convention Rights Proceedings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the limitation period for bringing certain Convention rights proceedings by virtue of the [[Scotland Act 1998]].||2009 asp 11||
|-
|[[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set a target for the year 2050, an interim target for the year 2020, and to provide for annual targets, for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; to provide about the giving of advice to the Scottish Ministers relating to climate change; to confer power on Ministers to impose climate change duties on public bodies; to make further provision about mitigation of and adaptation to climate change; to make provision about energy efficiency, including provision enabling council tax discounts; to make provision about the reduction and recycling of waste; and for connected purposes.||2009 asp 12||
|}

==2010-2019==
===2010===
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|[[Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about arbitration.||2010 asp 1||
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|[[Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Schools (Consultation) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the consultation process that is to apply as respects various proposals made by education authorities for schools; to make special provision for rural schools; to provide for Ministerial call-in of closure proposals; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 2||
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|[[Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Tobacco and Primary Medical Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the retailing of tobacco products, including provision prohibiting the display of tobacco products and establishing a register of tobacco retailers; to amend the criteria for eligibility to provide primary medical services under the [[National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2010/11, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 4||
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|[[Marine (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Marine (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to functions and activities in the Scottish marine area, including provision about marine plans, licensing of marine activities, the protection of the area and its wildlife including seals and regulation of sea fisheries; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 5||
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|[[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding the enforcement of standard securities over residential property; to amend the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]] as regards the grounds on which a debtor may apply for sequestration, the types of voluntary trust deed to which the Act applies, the sale or disposal of a debtor's family home and requirements to publish notices about sequestration in the Edinburgh Gazette; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 6||
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|[[Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Ure Elder Fund Transfer and Dissolution Act 2010 (ASP 2010-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Ure Elder Fund for Indigent Widow Ladies to a successor charitable trust; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 7||
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|[[Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Public Services Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the purpose of simplifying public bodies, including the transfer and delegation of certain functions, the dissolution of certain bodies and provision in relation to the regulation of officers of court; to enable provision to be made for the purpose of improving the exercise of public functions and for removing and reducing burdens resulting from legislation; to make provision for the publication of information on expenditure and certain other matters by certain public bodies; to establish Creative Scotland with functions in relation to the arts and culture and industries and other activity the focus of which is the application of creative skills; to establish Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland with scrutiny functions in relation to care services and social work services; to establish Healthcare Improvement Scotland with scrutiny and other functions in relation to services provided under the National Health Service and independent health care services; to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] to make provision in relation to the Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; to make provision about the exercise of scrutiny functions by certain bodies, including provision in respect of the involvement of users of scrutinised services, co-operation and joint inspections; to amend Part 2 of the [[Public Finance and Accountability (Scotland) Act 2000]] in relation to audit authorities and audit reports and examinations under that Part; to amend the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]] to make provision in relation to complaints handling procedures of listed authorities; to amend the [[Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005]] in relation to the regulation of charities and charity trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 8||
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|[[Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Control of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision for the control of dogs; to amend the [[Dangerous Dogs Act 1991]]; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 9||
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|[[Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Interpretation and Legislative Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the publication, interpretation and operation of Acts of the Scottish Parliament and instruments made under them; to make provision about the scrutiny of subordinate legislation by the Scottish Parliament; to make provision (including provision for the purposes of section 94(2)(b) of the [[Scotland Act 1998]]) about orders subject to special parliamentary procedure; to make provision about the laying of certain documents before the Scottish Parliament; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 10||
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|[[Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Parliamentary Commissions and Commissioners etc. Act 2010 (ASP 2010-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Commission for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland; to transfer to its members the functions of the Chief Investigating Officer, the Scottish Parliamentary Standards Commissioner and the Commissioner for Public Appointments in Scotland; to make amendments of the [[Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000]], the [[Scottish Public Services Ombudsman Act 2002]], the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]], the [[Public Appointments and Public Bodies etc. (Scotland) Act 2003]], the [[Commissioner for Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2003]] and the [[Scottish Commission for Human Rights Act 2006]], including amendments standardising certain provisions of those Acts and extending and qualifying the functions of the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 11||
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|[[William Simpson’s Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=William Simpson's Home (Transfer of Property etc.) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests, employees and liabilities of the Trustees of William Simpson's Asylum to a successor company limited by guarantee and to dissolve the Trustees; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 12||
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|[[Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Justice and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about sentencing, offenders and defaulters; to make provision about criminal law, procedure and evidence; to make provision about criminal justice and the investigation of crime (including police functions); to amend the law relating to the licensing of certain activities by local authorities; to amend the law relating to the sale of alcohol; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 13||
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|[[Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Crofting Reform (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and rename the Crofters Commission; to provide for the establishment of a new register of crofts and for registration of crofts, common grazings and land held runrig in it; to make provision about the duties of crofters and certain owner-occupiers of crofts and for the enforcement of those duties; to make further amendments to the law on crofting; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 14||
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|[[Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Procedure (Legal Assistance, Detention and Appeals) (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for persons being questioned by the police on suspicion of having committed an offence to have a right of access to legal assistance; to enable provision to be made for criminal advice and assistance under the [[Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986]] to be available for such persons in certain circumstances without reference to financial limits; to extend the period during which a person may be detained under section 14 of the [[Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995]], and to enable that period to be further extended in certain circumstances; to provide for a right to make representations in relation to applications for extension of time limits for bringing appeals; to provide a time limit for lodging bills of suspension or advocation; to make provision about the grounds for references made to the High Court by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission and to confer power on the High Court to reject such references in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 15||
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|[[Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Legal Services (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow and to make provision for regulating the supply of certain legal services by licensed entities; to extend rights to obtain confirmation to the estates of deceased persons; to regulate will and other testamentary writing by non-lawyers; to make provision concerning the Law Society of Scotland and the Faculty of Advocates and for the professional arrangements to which solicitors and advocates are subject; to allow court rules to permit the making of oral submissions by lay representatives in civil cases; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 16||
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Housing (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-17 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Housing Regulator and to make provision about housing, including provision about the performance and regulation of social landlords and reforms of the right to buy social housing; and for connected purposes.||2010 asp 17||
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|[[Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol etc. (Scotland) Act 2010 (ASP 2010-18 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision regulating the sale of alcohol and licensing of premises on which alcohol is sold and to make provision for the imposition of charges on holders of licences granted under the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]] and the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]].||2010 asp 18||
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===2011===
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|[[Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Children's Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to children’s hearings; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 1||
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|[[Forth Crossing Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forth Crossing Act 2011 (ASP 2011-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give the Scottish Ministers power to construct a new bridge over the Firth of Forth and to construct and improve associated roads and structures; to authorise the acquisition, or temporary possession and use, of land for construction and improvement works; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 2||
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|[[Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Historic Environment (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision amending certain aspects of the law relating to ancient monuments and listed buildings, including provision in relation to unauthorised works, powers of enforcement in connection with such works, offences and fines, powers of entry to ancient monuments, the control and management of certain ancient monuments, and liability for the expenses of urgent works on listed buildings; to make provision for the creation of inventories of gardens and designed landscapes and of battlefields; to provide for grants and loans in respect of the development and understanding of matters of historic and other interest; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2011/12, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund and for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies; to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 4||
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|[[Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Patient Rights (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act to make provision about the rights of patients when receiving health care; to make further provision about eligibility under the scheme made under section 28 of the [[Smoking, Health and Social Care (Scotland) Act 2005]]; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 5||
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|[[Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with wildlife and the natural environment; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 6||
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|[[Damages (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Damages (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards rights to damages in respect of personal injuries and death; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 7||
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|[[Property Factors (Scotland) Act 2011]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a register of property factors and require property factors to be registered; to make provision in relation to the resolution of disputes between homeowners and property factors; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 8||
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|[[Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Reservoirs (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the regulation of the construction, alteration and management of certain reservoirs, in particular in relation to the risk of flooding from such reservoirs, for the repeal and replacement of the [[Reservoirs Act 1975]], about offences to facilitate the achievement of the environmental objectives set out in river basin management plans; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 9||
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|[[Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Local Electoral Administration (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish an Electoral Management Board for Scotland; to confer functions on the Electoral Commission in relation to local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 10||
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|[[Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Certification of Death (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the certification of death and still-birth certificates; to make provision for medical reviewers, the senior medical reviewer and their functions; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 11||
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|[[Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Public Records (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management of records by certain authorities; to amend the [[Public Records (Scotland) Act 1937]] (c.43) in relation to the transmission of court records to the Keeper of the Records of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 12||
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|[[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Protection from Harassment Act 1997]] by making provision in relation to harassment amounting to domestic abuse; to make breach of an interdict relating to domestic abuse with a power of arrest attached an offence; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 13||
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|[[Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Private Rented Housing (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing.||2011 asp 14||
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|[[Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Forced Marriage etc. (Protection and Jurisdiction) (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-15 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for protecting persons from being forced into marriage without their free and full consent and for protecting persons who have been forced into marriage without such consent; for amending the jurisdiction of the sheriff court in relation to actions for declarator of nullity of marriage; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 15||
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|[[Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011]] {{ssl|1=Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011 (ASP 2011-16 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to the circumstances in which a person convicted or acquitted of an offence may be prosecuted anew; and for connected purposes.||2011 asp 16||
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===2012===
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|[[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 (repealed) (ASP 2012-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create offences concerning offensive behaviour in relation to certain football matches, and concerning the communication of certain threatening material.||2012 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2012/13, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 2
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|[[National Library of Scotland Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=National Library of Scotland Act 2012 (ASP 2012-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about the name, functions and governance of the National Library of Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 3||
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|[[Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the price at which alcohol may be sold from licensed premises; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 4||
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|[[Land Registration etc. (Scotland) Act 2012]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform and restate the law on the registration of rights to land in the land register; to enable electronic conveyancing and registration of electronic documents in the land register; to provide for the closure of the Register of Sasines in due course; to make provision about the functions of the Keeper of the Registers of Scotland; to allow electronic documents to be used for certain contracts, unilateral obligations and trusts that must be constituted by writing; to provide about the formal validity of electronic documents and for their registration; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 5||
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|[[Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Agricultural Holdings (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law governing succession to agricultural tenancies and the review or variation of rent under such tenancies.||2012 asp 6||
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|[[Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Criminal Cases (Punishment and Review) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules about the punishment part of non-mandatory life sentences imposed in criminal cases and to amend the rules about the disclosure of information obtained by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission.||2012 asp 7||
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|[[Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about policing; to make provision about fire and rescue services; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 8||
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|[[Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Long Leases (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to convert certain long leases into ownership; to provide for the conversion into real burdens of certain rights and obligations under such leases; to provide for payment to former owners of land of compensation for loss of it on conversion; and for connected purposes.||2012 asp 9||
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|[[Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Welfare Reform (Further Provision) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision by regulations in consequence of the [[Welfare Reform Act 2012]] (in respect of matters other than reserved matters).||2012 asp 10||
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|[[Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012]] {{ssl|1=Local Government Finance (Unoccupied Properties etc.) (Scotland) Act 2012 (ASP 2012-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law regarding non-domestic rates and council tax in respect of unoccupied properties; and to repeal certain provisions that allow grants to be made to local authorities to meet housing needs in their areas.||2012 asp 11||
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===2013===
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|[[Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-1 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable local authorities to provide support to certain carers; to make provision about the way in which certain social care services are provided by local authorities; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 1||
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|[[Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Freedom of Information (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-2 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend provisions of the [[Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002]] relating to the designation of authorities, the effect of various exemptions and the time limit for certain proceedings.||2013 asp 2||
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|[[Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Civil Justice Council and Criminal Legal Assistance Act 2013 (ASP 2013-3 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Civil Justice Council; to make provision about contributions in respect of criminal legal assistance; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 3||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Budget (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-4 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2013/14, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 4||
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|[[Water Resources (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Water Resources (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-5 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the development of Scotland's water resources; to bring large-scale water abstraction under Ministerial control; to extend Scottish Water's functions and to authorise grants and loans in favour of related bodies; to permit the taking of steps for the sake of water quality; to create contracts for certain non-domestic water and sewerage services; to protect the public sewerage network from harm and to allow for maintenance of private sewage works; to enable the making of water shortage orders; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 5||
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|[[High Hedges (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=High Hedges (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-6 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about hedges which interfere with the reasonable enjoyment of residential properties.||2013 asp 6||
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|[[Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-7 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about fish farming and shellfish farming; about salmon fisheries and freshwater fisheries; about sea fisheries; about shellfish waters and fisheries for shellfish; about charging in connection with functions relating to fish farming, shellfish farming, salmon fisheries, freshwater fisheries and sea fisheries; about fixed penalty notices for offences under certain aquaculture, fisheries and other marine legislation; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 7||
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|[[Forth Road Bridge Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Forth Road Bridge Act 2013 (ASP 2013-8 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the management and maintenance of the Forth Road Bridge.||2013 asp 8||
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|[[National Trust for Scotland (Governance etc.) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=National Trust for Scotland (Governance etc.) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-9 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to alter the status of the National Trust for Scotland's president and vice-presidents; to increase the maximum term of co-option for members of its council; to abolish representative membership of its council; and to validate use of the customary abbreviation of its name.||2013 asp 9||
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|[[Crofting (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Crofting (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-10 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow decrofting by owner-occupier crofters; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 10||
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|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-11 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of land transactions.||2013 asp 11||
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|[[Post-16 Education (Scotland) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Post-16 Education (Scotland) Act 2013 (ASP 2013-12 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the support for, and the governance of, further and higher education institutions, including provision for the regionalisation of colleges; to make provision for reviews of how further and higher education is provided; to make provision for sharing information about young people's involvement in education and training; and for connected purposes.||2013 asp 12||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum (Franchise) Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Independence Referendum (Franchise) Act 2013 (repealed) (ASP 2013-13 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about those who are entitled to vote in a referendum on the independence of Scotland, including provision for the establishment of a register of young voters for the purposes of such a referendum.||2013 asp 13||
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|[[Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013]] {{ssl|1=Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013 (ASP 2013-14 qp).pdf}}||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, in accordance with paragraph 5A of Part 1 of Schedule 5 to the [[Scotland Act 1998]], for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on a question about the independence of Scotland.||2013 asp 14||
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===2014===
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|[[Victims and Witnesses (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for certain rights and support for victims and witnesses, including provision for implementing [[Directive 2012/29/EU]] of the European Parliament and the Council; and to make provision for the establishment of a committee of the Mental Welfare Commission with functions relating to persons who were placed in institutional care as children.||2014 asp 1||
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|[[Landfill Tax (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the taxation of disposals to landfill.||2014 asp 2||
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|[[Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable provision to be made for the purpose of promoting regulatory consistency; to make provision in relation to primary authorities; to enable provision to be made, and to make provision, as respects regulatory activities, and offences, relating to the environment; to make provision about regulatory functions relating to marine licensing, planning and street traders’ licences; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 3||
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|[[Burrell Collection (Lending and Borrowing) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide Glasgow City Council with additional powers to lend, including lending overseas, any items forming part of the Burrell Collection and to receive items on loan from others in both cases with agreement of the charity trustees of the Sir William Burrell Trust in accordance with a published code.||2014 asp 4||
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|[[Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the marriage of persons of the same sex; to make further provision as to the persons who may solemnise marriage and as to marriage procedure and the places at which civil marriages may be solemnised; to make provision for the registration of civil partnerships by celebrants of religious or belief bodies; to make provision about gender change by married persons and civil partners; to make a minor correction in relation to registration information; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 5||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2014/15, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 6||
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|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Leith Links and Surplus Fire Fund) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to create an exception to the prohibition on the construction of monuments on Leith Links; to amend the purposes for which the Surplus Fire Fund may be used; to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Surplus Fire Fund to a successor charitable trust and then dissolve the Surplus Fire Fund; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 7||
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|[[Children and Young People (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the rights of children and young people; to make provision about investigations by the Commissioner for Children and Young People in Scotland; to make provision for and about the provision of services and support for or in relation to children and young people; to make provision for an adoption register; to make provision about children's hearings, detention in secure accommodation and consultation on certain proposals in relation to schools; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 8||
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|[[Public Bodies (Joint Working) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the carrying out of functions of local authorities and Health Boards; to make further provision about certain functions of public bodies; to make further provision in relation to certain functions under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 9||
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|[[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland and the Upper Tribunal for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 10||
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|[[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 11||
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|[[Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the procedures relating to the award of certain public contracts; to require certain authorities to produce procurement strategies and annual reports; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 12||
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|[[Buildings (Recovery of Expenses) (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Building (Scotland) Act 2003]] to provide for expenses incurred by local authorities in connection with notices served or work carried out under that Act to be recovered by way of charging order.||2014 asp 13||
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|[[Housing (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about housing, including provision about the abolition of the right to buy, social housing, the law affecting private housing, the regulation of letting agents and the licensing of sites for mobile homes.||2014 asp 14||
|-
|[[City of Edinburgh Council (Portobello Park) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of Portobello Park so as to permit the City of Edinburgh Council to appropriate it for the purposes of the Council's functions as an education authority; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 15||
|-
|[[Revenue Scotland and Tax Powers Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Revenue Scotland; to establish Scottish tax tribunals; to put in place a general anti-avoidance rule; to make provision about the collection and management of devolved taxes; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 16||
|-
|[[Disabled Persons' Parking Badges (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about badges for display on motor vehicles used by disabled persons.||2014 asp 17||
|-
|[[Courts Reform (Scotland) Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the sheriff courts; to establish a Sheriff Appeal Court; to make provision about civil court procedure; to make provision about appeals in civil proceedings; to make provision about appeals in criminal proceedings; to make provision about judges of the Court of Session; to make provision about the Scottish Land Court; to make provision about justice of the peace courts; to rename the Scottish Court Service and give it functions in relation to tribunals; to provide for assistants to the Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 18||
|-
|[[Historic Environment Scotland Act 2014]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Historic Environment Scotland; to make minor amendments to the law relating to the historic environment; and for connected purposes.||2014 asp 19||
|}

===2015===
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|[[Food (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Food Standards Scotland and make provision as to its functions; to amend the law in relation to food; to enable provision to be made in relation to animal feeding stuffs; to make provision for administrative sanctions in relation to offences under the law in relation to food; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 1||
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|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2015/16, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 2||
|-
|[[Community Charge Debt (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extinguish various liabilities arising by virtue of the Abolition of Domestic Rates Etc. (Scotland) Act 1987.||2015 asp 3||
|-
|[[Legal Writings (Counterparts and Delivery) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about execution of documents in counterpart and the delivery by electronic means of traditional documents; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 4||
|-
|[[Welfare Funds (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the maintenance of welfare funds and to provide for them to be used to help certain individuals; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 5||
|-
|[[Community Empowerment (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about national outcomes; to confer functions on certain persons in relation to services provided by, and assets of, certain public bodies; to amend Parts 2 and 3 of the [[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003]]; to enable certain bodies to buy abandoned, neglected or detrimental land; to amend section 7C of the [[Forestry Act 1967]]; to enable the Scottish Ministers to make provision about supporters' involvement in and ownership of football clubs; to make provision for registers of common good property and about disposal and use of such property; to restate and amend the law on allotments; to enable participation in decision-making by specified persons having public functions; to enable local authorities to reduce or remit non-domestic rates; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 6||
|-
|[[Scottish Elections (Reduction of Voting Age) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reduce the voting age to 16 at elections for membership of the Scottish Parliament and local government elections; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 7||
|-
|[[Prisoners (Control of Release) (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to automatic early release of long-term prisoners from prison on licence and to allow prisoners serving all but very short sentences to be released from prison on a particular day suitable for their re-integration into the community.||2015 asp 8||
|-
|[[Mental Health (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003]] in various respects; to make provision about mental health disposals in criminal cases; to make provision as to the rights of victims of crime committed by mentally-disordered persons; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 9||
|-
|[[Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the licensing and regulation of air weapons; to amend the [[Licensing (Scotland) Act 2005]]; to amend and extend the licensing provisions of the [[Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982]]; and for connected purposes.||2015 asp 10||
|-
|[[British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to promote the use of British Sign Language including by making provision for the preparation and publication of national plans in relation to British Sign Language and by requiring certain authorities to prepare and publish their own British Sign Language plans in connection with the exercise of their functions; and to provide for the manner in which such plans are to be prepared and for their review and updating.||2015 asp 11||
|-
|[[Human Trafficking and Exploitation (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about human trafficking and slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour, including provision about offences and sentencing, provision for victim support and provision to reduce activity related to offences.||2015 asp 12||
|-
|[[Harbours (Scotland) Act 2015]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal sections 10 to 12 of the [[Ports Act 1991]] and amend Schedules 3 and 4 to the [[Harbours Act 1964]].||2015 asp 13||
|}

===2016===
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|[[Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about criminal justice including as to police powers and rights of suspects and as to criminal evidence, procedure and sentencing; to establish the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 1||
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|[[Inquiries into Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths etc. (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the holding of public inquiries in respect of certain deaths.||2016 asp 2||
|-
|[[Smoking Prohibition (Children in Motor Vehicles) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to prohibit smoking in private motor vehicles in the presence of children, subject to limited exceptions; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 3||
|-
|[[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament (Amendment) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Interests of Members of the Scottish Parliament Act 2006]] and the [[Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000]].||2016 asp 4||
|-
|[[Apologies (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the effect of an apology in certain legal proceedings.||2016 asp 5||
|-
|[[National Galleries of Scotland Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to change the status of a piece of land currently within Princes Street Gardens so as to enable the City of Edinburgh Council to dispose of it to the National Galleries of Scotland and to provide for that same piece of land to cease to form part of Princes Street Gardens, thus disapplying section 22 of the Schedule to the [[City of Edinburgh District Council Order Confirmation Act 1991]] to that land.||2016 asp 6||
|-
|[[Succession (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about succession; to make provision about liferents; to amend the [[Trusts (Scotland) Act 1921]]; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 7||
|-
|[[Education (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to school education about priorities, objectives and reducing pupils' inequalities of outcome; to modify the [[Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004]] and section 70 of the [[Education (Scotland) Act 1980]]; to make provision in relation to Gaelic medium education, the provision of school meals, the appointment of Chief Education Officers, the registration of independent schools and teachers in grant-aided schools and the standards of education and training of persons to be appointed as head teachers; to enable provision to be made requiring a minimum number of hours of school education to be provided; to enable provision to be made about school clothing grants; to extend the duty to provide early learning and childcare to certain children; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 8||
|-
|[[Carers (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about carers, including the identification of carers' needs for support through adult carer support plans and young carer statements; the provision of support to carers; the enabling of carer involvement in certain services; the preparation of local carer strategies; the establishment of information and advice services for carers; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 9||
|-
|[[Community Justice (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about community justice, including establishing a new national body to oversee community justice and introducing requirements in relation to the achievement of particular nationally and locally determined outcomes; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 10||
|-
|[[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Scotland) Act 2013]] to make provision about an additional amount of tax to be chargeable in respect of certain transactions relating to dwellings.||2016 asp 11||
|-
|[[Budget (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2016/17, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 12||
|-
|[[Scottish Elections (Dates) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of the day of the poll at the first ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament after 2016 and about the year in which local government elections fall to be held.||2016 asp 13||
|-
|[[Health (Tobacco, Nicotine etc. and Care) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about tobacco, nicotine and related products, in particular to make provision about retailing, to amend the prohibition on smoking in certain areas and to control advertising and promotion; to make provision about a duty of candour following serious incidents in the course of providing care; to make provision about offences applying to ill-treatment or neglect where care is provided; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 14||
|-
|[[Higher Education Governance (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the composition of and appointment to the governing bodies and academic boards of higher education institutions; and to revise provision about the academic freedom of various persons carrying out activities at higher education and certain other institutions.||2016 asp 15||
|-
|[[Lobbying (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about lobbying, including provision for establishing and maintaining a lobbying register and the publication of a code of conduct.||2016 asp 16||
|-
|[[Scottish Fiscal Commission Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the Scottish Fiscal Commission and to provide for its functions.||2016 asp 17||
|-
|[[Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a land rights and responsibilities statement; to establish the Scottish Land Commission, provide for its functions and the functions of the Land Commissioners and the Tenant Farming Commissioner; to make provision about access to, and provision of, information about owners and controllers of land; to make provision about engaging communities in decisions relating to land; to enable certain persons to buy land to further sustainable development; to make provision for non-domestic rates to be levied on shootings and deer forests; to make provision about the change of use of common good land; to make provision about the management of deer on land; to make provision about access rights to land; to amend the law on agricultural holdings to provide for new forms of agricultural tenancy, to remove the requirement to register before tenants of certain holdings can exercise a right to buy, to provide a new power of sale where a landlord is in breach of certain obligations, to provide about rent reviews, to expand the list of the persons to whom holdings can be assigned or bequeathed and to whom holdings can be transferred on intestacy and to make provision about landlords' objections to such successor tenants, to provide for certain holdings to be relinquished where landlords agree or assigned to persons new to or progressing in farming, to provide for a 3 year amnesty period in relation to certain improvements carried out by tenants, and to provide for notice of certain improvements proposed by landlords; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 18||
|-
|[[Private Housing (Tenancies) (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about private rented housing; in particular to establish a new type of tenancy to be known as a private residential tenancy.||2016 asp 19||
|-
|[[Burial and Cremation (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to burial and cremation; to make provision about exhumation of human remains; to make provision in relation to the inspection and regulation of burial authorities, cremation authorities and funeral directors; to enable provision to be made for the licensing of funeral directors; and for connected purposes.||2016 asp 20||
|-
|[[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to consolidate the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985]], the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1993]], Part 1 of the [[Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007]], Part 2 of the [[Home Owner and Debtor Protection (Scotland) Act 2010]], the [[Bankruptcy and Debt Advice (Scotland) Act 2014]], the [[Protected Trust Deeds (Scotland) Regulations 2013]] and related enactments.||2016 asp 21||
|-
|[[Abusive Behaviour and Sexual Harm (Scotland) Act 2016]]||An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about abusive behaviour; and to make provision about sexual harm including provision about directions to be given to juries in sexual offence cases and provision about orders to prevent future sexual harm.||2016 asp 22||
|}

===2017===
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| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2017/18, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Air Departure Tax (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the carriage of passengers by air from airports in Scotland. || 2017 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Limitation (Childhood Abuse) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to remove the limitation period for actions of damages in respect of personal injuries resulting from childhood abuse. || 2017 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Railway Policing (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the arrangements for the Police Service of Scotland to police railways and railway property; and for connected purposes. || 2017 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Contract (Third Party Rights) (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the enforcement of contractual terms by third parties. || 2017 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of child poverty; to make provision about plans and reports relating to the targets; and to establish the Poverty and Inequality Commission and provide for its functions. || 2017 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Seat Belts on School Transport (Scotland) Act 2017]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require that motor vehicles provided for the dedicated transport of pupils are fitted with seat belts. || 2017 asp 7 || 
|}

===2018===
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| [[Edinburgh Bakers' Widows' Fund Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Trustees of the Widows' Scheme of the Incorporation of Bakers of the City of Edinburgh to make capital payments to certain persons who might otherwise have been entitled to annuity payments from the Widows' Fund for the Incorporation of Bakers within the City of Edinburgh; to transfer the remaining property, rights, interests and liabilities of the Widows' Fund to a successor charitable trust; to dissolve the Widows' Fund; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Amendment (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the Writers to the Signet Dependants' Annuity Fund Order Confirmation Act 1982 to amend the definition of  &quot;actuary&quot; and to amend the description of persons who may be elected collector of the Fund. || 2018 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make it an offence to use wild animals in travelling circuses. || 2018 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about gender representation on boards of Scottish public authorities. || 2018 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence with respect to the engaging by a person in a course of behaviour which is abusive of the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make rules of criminal procedure for that offence and also for offences subject to the statutory aggravation involving abuse of partners or ex-partners. || 2018 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2018/19, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Repeal) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal the [[Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012]]; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to forestry; to make provision about Scottish Ministers' functions in relation to the management of forested land and other land; and for connected purposes. || 2018 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament making provision about social security. || 2018 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about success fee agreements; to make provision about expenses in civil litigation; to make provision about the offices of the Auditor of the Court of Session, the auditor of the Sheriff Appeal Court and the auditor of the sheriff court; and to make provision about the bringing of civil proceedings on behalf of a group of persons. || 2018 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give retrospective effect to the amendments made by the [[Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Additional Amount-Second Homes Main Residence Relief) (Scotland) Order 2017]]. || 2018 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Islands (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a national islands plan; to impose duties in relation to island communities on certain public authorities; to make provision about the electoral representation of island communities; and to establish a licensing scheme in respect of marine development adjacent to islands. || 2018 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law on the regulation of social landlords and to reduce the influence of local authorities over registered social landlords. || 2018 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Historical Sexual Offences (Pardons and Disregards) (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon persons convicted of certain historical sexual offences and to provide a process for convictions for those offences to be disregarded. || 2018 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Prescription (Scotland) Act 2018]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to the extinction of rights and obligations by the passage of time. || 2018 asp 15 || 
|}

===2019===
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| [[Scottish Crown Estate Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to rename Crown Estate Scotland (Interim Management); to make provision about the management of the Scottish Crown Estate; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate and reconstitute the Pow of Inchaffray Drainage Commission; to make provision for its functions and for the appointment of Commissioners; to make provision for the calculation of the annual assessments payable by the owners of land benefited by the Pow; to make provision for meetings of the Commissioners and heritors; to make provision for the Commissioners to have access to the Pow over neighbouring land for necessary purposes and for the Commissioners' consent to be required for activities affecting the Pow and adjacent land etc.; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2019/20, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assumed rate of return on investment of particular damages awarded in personal injury cases; and to make provision in relation to periodical payments of various damages awarded in personal injury cases. || 2019 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Hutchesons' Hospital Transfer and Dissolution (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to transfer the property, rights, interests and liabilities of The Royal Incorporation of Hutchesons' Hospital in the City of Glasgow to a successor Scottish Charitable Incorporated Organisation; to dissolve the Incorporation; and to repeal the [[Hutchesons' Hospital Act 1872]]. || 2019 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about staffing by the National Health Service and by providers of care services. || 2019 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Age of Criminal Responsibility (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 12 years and to make consequential changes to the law on the disclosure of criminal records and of other information relating to individuals working or seeking to work with children or certain adults; on the provision of information by the Principal Reporter to persons adversely affected by the behaviour of children; on the taking of certain children to a place of safety by the police; on the search of certain children by the police; on police interviews with certain children; and on the taking of forensic samples from certain children by the police; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Vulnerable Witnesses (Criminal Evidence) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the use of special measures for the purpose of taking the evidence of child witnesses and other vulnerable witnesses in criminal proceedings; to make provision about the procedure relating to taking evidence by commissioner; to make provision about the procedure for authorisation of standard special measures; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[South of Scotland Enterprise Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish South of Scotland Enterprise and to provide for its functions. || 2019 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Fuel Poverty (Targets, Definition and Strategy) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to set targets relating to the eradication of fuel poverty; to define fuel poverty; to require the production of a fuel poverty strategy; and to make provision about reporting on fuel poverty. || 2019 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Human Tissue (Authorisation) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about authorisation of the removal and use of part of the body of a deceased person for transplantation and other purposes; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Census Act 1920]] to enable particulars about transgender status and history and sexual orientation to be gathered voluntarily. || 2019 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Planning (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about how land is developed and used. || 2019 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Management of Offenders (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for electronic monitoring of offenders and as to certain other restrictive measures imposable on offenders; to make provision about periods and processes as regards disclosure of convictions by offenders; and to make provision concerning particular aspects of the system governing parole of offenders. || 2019 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] to make provision setting targets for the reduction of greenhouse gases emissions and to make provision about advice, plans and reports in relation to those targets, with the objective of Scotland contributing appropriately to the world's efforts to deliver on the [[Paris Agreement]] reached at the 21st Conference of the Parties of the [[United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change]]. || 2019 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to abolish the defence of reasonable chastisement; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Transport (Scotland) Act 2019]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the production of a national strategy in relation to transport; to make provision for low emission zones; to make provision for and in connection with the powers of local transport authorities in connection with the operation of local bus services in their areas; to make provision about arrangements under which persons may be entitled to travel on local bus and other transport services; to prohibit the parking of vehicles on pavements, prohibit double parking and prohibit parking adjacent to dropped footways; to make provision enabling local authorities to make schemes under which a charge may be levied for providing workplace parking places; to make provision in connection with charges arising from parking on private land; to make provision in connection with the status of the office of the Scottish Road Works Commissioner, the Commissioner's functions and the regulation of road works; to make provision in connection with regional Transport Partnerships and to adjust the number of members on the British Waterways Board; and for connected purposes. || 2019 asp 17 || 
|}

==2020-2025==
===2020===
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| [[UEFA European Championship (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the Union of European Football Associations European Championship that is to be held, in part, in Glasgow in 2020. || 2020 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Referendums (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the holding of referendums throughout Scotland. || 2020 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Scottish National Investment Bank Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the establishment of the Scottish National Investment Bank and to make further provision in connection with that body. || 2020 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about non-domestic rates. || 2020 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2020/21, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Franchise and Representation) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enfranchise certain persons in respect of Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; to extend to certain persons the right to vote at, stand for election at, and hold office as elected members following, Scottish parliamentary and local government elections; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish the office of Scottish Biometrics Commissioner and to provide for its functions in relation to the acquisition, retention, use and destruction of biometric data for criminal justice and police purposes. || 2020 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Female Genital Mutilation (Protection and Guidance) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for female genital mutilation protection orders and for guidance in relation to such orders and in relation to the prevention of female genital mutilation generally; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with coronavirus; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Consumer Scotland Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish Consumer Scotland and provide for its functions as a consumer advocacy and advice body; and to require regard to be had to consumer interests. || 2020 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Reform) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections, including length of terms; to make provision about the role of the Electoral Commission in relation to those elections; to confer functions on the Electoral Management Board for Scotland in relation to Scottish parliamentary elections; to rename and make provision about the Local Government Boundary Commission for Scotland; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Disclosure (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to restate and amend the law relating to the disclosure of criminal history and other information by the Scottish Ministers; to make amendments to the [[Protection of Vulnerable Groups (Scotland) Act 2007]]; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties for the most serious animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal welfare offences generally, to increase the protection for service animals from being caused unnecessary suffering, to require courts to consider making disqualification orders following convictions for animal welfare offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to animal health offences, to increase penalties in relation to certain wildlife offences, to provide for fixed penalties in relation to wildlife offences, to increase the protection for seals from being killed, injured or taken; to confer power on inspectors and constables, where animals have been taken into possession to alleviate their suffering, to make arrangements for the treatment, transfer or destruction of those animals; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 14 || 
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| [[Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable persons of different sexes to be in a civil partnership; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 15 || 
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| [[Children (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law relating to children; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture (Retained EU Law and Data) (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer powers to modify certain retained EU law relating to agriculture, including power to make new provision about marketing standards in relation to agricultural products and the classification of carcasses; to make provision about the collection and processing of information connected with food supply chains and agricultural activities; and for connected purposes. || 2020 asp 17 || 
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| [[Social Security Administration and Tribunal Membership (Scotland) Act 2020]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018 in relation to the appointment of persons to act on behalf of applicants; the provision of information in connection with the determination of eligibility for assistance; the duty to inform about possible eligibility for assistance; the operation of top-up assistance; the diagnosis of terminal illness for disability assistance purposes; and the recovery of assistance given in error; and to modify the [[Tribunals (Scotland) Act 2014]] in relation to the eligibility of judicial office-holders to sit in the First-tier Tribunal and the Upper Tribunal. || 2020 asp 18 || 
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===2021===
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| [[Period Products (Free Provision) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to secure the provision throughout Scotland of free period products. || 2021 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland (Amendment) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the [[Solicitors in the Supreme Courts of Scotland Act 1871]] in order to abolish the offices of librarian and fiscal; to rename the Widows' Fund as the Dependents' Fund and to make further provision as regards persons entitled to the benefit of that fund; to make new provision for members of the Society to resign; and to give the Society new powers including to close the Dependents' Fund completely or close it to new members, to create new categories of membership, or to wind up the Society; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 2 || 
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| [[Forensic Medical Services (Victims of Sexual Offences) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on health boards functions relating to the provision of forensic medical services to victims of sexual offences; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for Scotland in connection with the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union, in particular to enable provision to be made that corresponds to provision in EU law after the United Kingdom's withdrawal; to  establish guiding principles on the environment and to require public authorities to have due regard to those principles in making policies; to establish a body with the functions of ensuring compliance by public authorities with environmental law and monitoring the effectiveness of environmental law in protecting and improving the environment; to require the preparation and publication of an environmental policy strategy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Scottish General Election (Coronavirus) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for measures relating to protection against coronavirus to apply to the ordinary general election for membership of the Scottish Parliament due to be held on 6 May 2021. || 2021 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Protection of Workers (Retail and Age-restricted Goods and Services) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create an offence of assaulting, threatening or abusing retail workers; and to provide for a statutory aggravation of that offence where the retail worker is enforcing a statutory age restriction. || 2021 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliament (Assistance for Political Parties) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Parliament to make provision by resolution for payments to registered political parties for the purpose of assisting members of the Parliament who are connected with the parties to perform their Parliamentary duties. || 2021 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2021/22, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Heat Networks (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for regulating the supply of thermal energy by a heat network, and for regulating the construction and operation of a heat network; to make provision about the powers of persons holding a heat networks licence; to make provision about conferring rights in heat network assets where a person ceases operating a heat network; to set targets relating to the supply of thermal energy by heat networks; to make provision about plans relating to increased use of heat networks; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Defamation and Malicious Publication (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law of defamation; replace the common law delicts of verbal injury with delicts of malicious publication; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Pre-release Access to Official Statistics (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about restricting pre-release access to certain official statistics; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Parliamentary Standards (Sexual Harassment and Complaints Process) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to allow the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland to investigate complaints of past sexual harassment made about members of the Parliament in respect of behaviour towards members of their own staff; to remove the default time limit for making complaints to the Commissioner; and to remove any requirement for the complainer's signature. || 2021 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[University of St. Andrews (Degrees in Medicine and Dentistry) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to repeal paragraph 17 of schedule 6 of the [[Universities (Scotland) Act 1966]]. || 2021 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the aggravation of offences by prejudice; to make provision about an offence of racially aggravated harassment; to make provision about offences relating to stirring up hatred against a group of persons; to abolish the common law offence of blasphemy; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Redress for Survivors (Historical Child Abuse in Care) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a scheme of financial redress and related support for and in respect of survivors of historical child abuse in certain residential care settings in Scotland; to establish Redress Scotland and provide for its functions; to make provision for reporting by certain persons in relation to their redress activity; to make provision for the establishment of the Survivor Forum and the dissolution of the National Confidential Forum; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 15 || 
|-
| [[Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for domestic abuse protection notices and orders for the purpose of protecting a person from abusive behaviour by the person's partner or ex-partner; and to make provision for the termination of Scottish secure tenancies in cases involving behaviour by a tenant which is abusive of the tenant's partner or ex-partner. || 2021 asp 16 || 
|-
| [[Tied Pubs (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to establish a Scottish Pubs Code to govern the relationship between tenants and owners of tied pubs; to establish the office of Scottish Pubs Code Adjudicator; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 17 || 
|-
| [[Dogs (Protection of Livestock) (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to increase penalties and provide additional powers to investigate and enforce the offence of livestock worrying, and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 18 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Extension and Expiry) (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to extend the period for which Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) Act 2020]] and Part 1 of the [[Coronavirus (Scotland) (No.2) Act 2020]] are in force; to provide for the expiry of certain provisions of those Parts; and for connected purposes. || 2021 asp 19 || 
|-
| [[Carer's Allowance Supplement (Scotland) Act 2021]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about increasing the amount of the carer's allowance supplement. || 2021 asp 20 || 
|}

===2022===
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| [[Transvaginal Mesh Removal (Cost Reimbursement) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to enable the Scottish Ministers to reimburse costs relating to the removal of transvaginal mesh. || 2022 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Discretionary Compensation for Self-isolation) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to temporarily modify sections of the [[Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008]] which require health boards to pay compensation for self-isolation so that, where self-isolation is for a reason relating to coronavirus, health boards have discretion as to whether to pay compensation; and to provide for the expiry of a provision of the [[Coronavirus Act 2020]] which temporarily modified the same sections of the Public Health etc. (Scotland) Act 2008. || 2022 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2022/23, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Local Government Elections (Candidacy Rights of Foreign Nationals) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give to certain foreign nationals the right to stand as candidates at local government elections in Scotland in accordance with international treaty agreements entered into by the United Kingdom. || 2022 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Good Food Nation (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a national good food nation plan; to require certain authorities to prepare and publish their own good food nation plans; and to provide as to the effect of all of those plans. || 2022 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Miners' Strike (Pardons) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to pardon certain individuals convicted of certain offences committed during the 1984-85 miners' strike. || 2022 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Non-Domestic Rates (Coronavirus) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the effect of coronavirus on the calculation of the net annual value and rateable value of lands and heritages for the purpose of non-domestic rates. || 2022 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about public health protection powers; to make provision about educational establishments and school consultations; to make miscellaneous public service reforms; to modify the law on tenancies; to make temporary modifications to the law in relation to the justice system; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for licensing the purchase, acquisition, possession and use of certain fireworks; to prevent the supply of certain fireworks and pyrotechnic articles to persons under the age of 18; to limit the supply and use of certain fireworks to particular periods; to provide for the creation of firework control zones; to make provision prohibiting possession of fireworks and pyrotechnic articles in certain circumstances; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in connection with protecting residential tenants from increases in rent; protecting residential tenants from eviction; and for connected purposes. || 2022 asp 10 || 
|}

The [[Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill]] was passed by the Scottish Parliament, but denied royal assent under a [[The Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill (Prohibition on Submission for Royal Assent) Order 2023|Section 35 Order]] by the UK Government.

===2023===
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| [[Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the prohibition of hunting wild mammals using dogs; to make provision about the prohibition of trail hunting; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2023/24, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 2 || 
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| [[Moveable Transactions (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision in relation to the assignation of claims; to establish a register for assignation documents in respect of such claims; to make provision in relation to the granting of security in the form of a pledge over corporeal and incorporeal moveable property; to establish a register of statutory pledges; and to end the creation of agricultural charges. || 2023 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about the determination of questions of bail; to provide for the court, when sentencing, to have regard to time spent on certain bail conditions; to ensure prisoners are not released on Fridays and certain other days; to provide for the temporary release of long-term prisoners; to enable certain prisoners to be released early in emergency situations; to require certain public bodies to engage in planning for the release of prisoners; to provide support for released prisoners; to provide for information about prisoners to be given to persons or bodies supporting victims; and for connected purposes. || 2023 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Charities (Regulation and Administration) (Scotland) Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify certain aspects of the law relating to the regulation and administration of charities and their assets. || 2023 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland Act 2023]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the establishment and functions of a Patient Safety Commissioner for Scotland. || 2023 asp 6 || 
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===2024===
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| [[United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to incorporate in Scots law rights and obligations set out in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child; to make related provision to ensure compliance with duties relating to the Convention; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Trusts and Succession (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision as regards trusts; to make provision about the effect of divorce, dissolution or annulment on a special destination and about the rights of succession to an intestate estate; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2024/25, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for the management of wildlife through the prohibition of glue traps and snares and regulation of other wildlife traps and the licensing of land on which certain birds are to be killed or taken; and for the licensing of the making of muirburn; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to bring all under 18s within the scope of the children's hearings system and about the measures that may be included in compulsory supervision orders, the provision of information to certain persons as to disposals made by the hearings system, and about supervision and guidance for children after age 18; to make provision treating under 18s as children for the purposes of the criminal justice system and about how children are treated in that system, including providing for new safeguards for children in court, the circumstances in which courts must seek advice from a children's hearing or remit the case to a hearing for disposal, the court's power to impose driving disqualifications and penalty points despite so remitting, the operation of sexual offences notification requirements on such remittal, and the use of secure accommodation, and removing the option of young offenders institutions and remand centres, when detaining children; to make changes to provision on secure accommodation and the regulation of secure accommodation services, including those services which take children from other parts of the United Kingdom; to change the age at which a person is a child for the purposes of antisocial behaviour orders; to repeal provisions on the named person service and on child's plans; to make provision about UNCRC compatibility issues in relation to decisions to prosecute children; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Post Office (Horizon System) Offences (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to provide for the quashing of certain convictions for offences of dishonesty connected to the carrying on of a post office business at a time when the Horizon system was in use; to provide for the deletion of details of alternatives to prosecution in relation to such offences; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to confer on the Scottish Ministers powers to identify external wall cladding systems on residential buildings that create or exacerbate risks to human life and to address those risks; to establish a register to record that a building's cladding has been assessed and that remediation works have been completed; to enable one or more schemes to be established to require persons in the building industry to contribute towards assessing and remediating dangerous cladding; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 7 || 
|-
| [[Visitor Levy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to give local authorities the power to impose a levy in respect of persons staying in certain types of accommodation overnight. || 2024 asp 8 || 
|-
| [[Bankruptcy and Diligence (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision to establish a mental health moratorium; to modify the [[Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 2016]]; and to modify the law of diligence. || 2024 asp 9 || 
|-
| [[Abortion Services (Safe Access Zones) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to create safe access zones around premises that provide treatment for the termination of pregnancy authorised under the [[Abortion Act 1967]]. || 2024 asp 10 || 
|-
| [[Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision enabling the support of agriculture, rural communities and the rural economy through the creation of a framework for that support; to make provision for continuing professional development for those involved in agriculture and related industries, to make provision in relation to the welfare and identification of animals, to repeal spent and superseded agricultural enactments; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 11 || 
|-
| [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend section 2 of the [[Gender Representation on Public Boards (Scotland) Act 2018]] to repeal the definition of &quot;woman&quot;. || 2024 asp 12 || 
|-
| [[Circular Economy (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to require the Scottish Ministers to prepare and publish a circular economy strategy; to make provision about circular economy targets; to make provision about the reduction, recycling and management of waste; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 13 || 
|-
| [[Aggregates Tax and Devolved Taxes Administration (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision for a tax on the commercial exploitation of aggregate; and to make further provision about the administration of devolved taxes. || 2024 asp 14 || 
|-
| [[Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Act 2024]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009]] in relation to the targets for the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions; and for connected purposes. || 2024 asp 15 || 
|}

===2025===
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| [[Prisoners (Early Release) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the rules as to the automatic early release of prisoners from prison and of children from detention; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 1 || 
|-
| [[Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to modify the [[Social Security (Scotland) Act 2018]] to make further provision about social security; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 2 || 
|-
| [[Judicial Factors (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about judicial factors; the appointment and functions of the Accountant of Court; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 3 || 
|-
| [[Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make further provision about eligibility of elected representatives in the Scottish Parliament and in local government and to reform certain aspects of the law relating to Scottish parliamentary and local government elections. || 2025 asp 4 || 
|-
| [[Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision about a code of ethics and a duty of candour for the police; to make provision about vetting of constables and police staff; to make provision about procedures for misconduct and the consequences of certain conduct by constables; to make provision about the functions of the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner; and to make provision for a board to advise the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner. || 2025 asp 5 || 
|-
| [[Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision as to a code of practice in relation to the acquisition of dogs; and to ensure public awareness and understanding of the code of practice. || 2025 asp 6 || 
|-
| [[Budget (Scotland) Act 2025]] || An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make provision, for financial year 2025/26, for the use of resources by the Scottish Administration and certain bodies whose expenditure is payable out of the Scottish Consolidated Fund, for the maximum amounts of borrowing by certain statutory bodies and for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund; to make provision, for financial year 2026/27, for authorising the payment of sums out of the Fund on a temporary basis; and for connected purposes. || 2025 asp 7 || 
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Blanford arrived from Calcutta early in August, and on the 10th I started all the coolies to await us at Dumsong on the other side of the Tista, and on the 12th started on my pony for the cane bridge, over which it was impossible to ride. It was a pouring wet morning, and as I found a bridge broken in the Rangit valley, I had to walk a good deal further than I liked. The eight miles up a steep ascent of 4,000 feet from the Tista bridge was one of the hardest grinds I ever had in a broiling sun, with the thermometer in the valley over 90°. I got in at dark, however, and found the servants waiting and the coolies gone on.

As Blanford had been a little out of sorts and had stayed a day longer at Ging, I managed next morning to borrow a mule from a policeman, which I sent down to meet him at the bridge. I myself followed our coolies, who had gone on about twenty miles along the ridge to a place in the forest where there were a few Bhutia houses, called [[:w:en:Pedong|Pedong]], or Phyndong. Here I had my first night in the small tent we had between us, which was much better adapted for cold than for such a warm climate as this, for during the rainy season it is never cold or even chilly in the forest below 10,000 feet. Blanford joined me the next day, and we soon settled down to routine, which we found best suited to our work on the march. Unless the morning was exceptionally wet, or there was reason for delay, we breakfasted at daylight on tea and chupatties fried in ghee, and started the coolies as soon as the tents and baggage could be packed, but they would never start until they had cooked and eaten their first meal, which took at least an hour and often more, I generally got ahead on the path with one of my shikaris, as I found that in the early morning, before anyone had disturbed the path, I was most likely to find birds feeding on or near it. If I saw anything specially good, I would leave my shikari to get specimens and follow on, and after three to five hours on the road I always tried to halt by a river, or in some agreeable place, for breakfast. We selected one of our best coolies to carry a light load and keep up with one of us, so that no time might be lost in waiting for cooking pots and food. We generally had curry of tomatoes and chicken with our rice, and when there were neither pineapples or bananas, we had some jam and biscuits. At the higher elevations we were sometimes able to get mutton or goat, but found that meat was by no means so necessary for hard work as many people suppose.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{Anchor+|radical946 | '''Bibit''' }} (v. f. ''mibit; bebibit''), to pinch with the finger and thumb. ''Iya mibit kuyu aku''. He pinched my cheek.

{{Anchor+|radical947 | '''Bichu''' }} (''bebichu''), colour, paint.

{{Anchor+|radical948 | '''Bidai''' }} (''bebidai''), a coarse mat made of rotan and tree bark.

{{Anchor+|radical949 | '''Bidak''' }} (''bebidak''), a blanket.

{{Anchor+|radical950 | '''Bidang''' }} (v. f. ''midang, bebidang''), a numer­al co-efficient used of things spread out, s. a woman’s petticoat, v. to tear. ''Aku udah mli sa bidang kajang''. I bought a piece of leaf matting. ''Kalambi aku kena bidang iya''. He tore my jacket. ''Iya midang ka kain aku''. He tore my petticoat.

{{Anchor+|radical951 | '''Bidik''' }} (v. f. ''ngemidik, midik; bebidik''), adj. fortunate, lucky, v. to make fortunate. ''Iya midik kadiri bumai enda beburong lalu bulih padi''. He was fortunate in that he did not listen to omens but got a good crop of paddy.

{{Anchor+|radical952 | '''Bidok''' }} (''bebidok''), a small boat.

{{Anchor+|radical953 | '''Bidu,''' }} a mythical personage, a ''manang'' title. ''Aiyu ko Bidu''. The soul says Bidu.

{{Anchor+|radical954 | '''Bigok'''  }} (''bebigok''), a species of ''bejit'' (''Semnopithecus cristatus'').

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bila'''  }} (v. f. mila; bebila) to open, split. Bila dua. Split in two.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bilah,'''  }} a numeral co-efficient applied to cut­ ting weapons. Sa bilah duku. One chopper.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bilik'''  }} (bebilik), a room. Bilik iya lantang. His room is spacious.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bilis'''  }} (bebilis), a very small sea fish.

{{Anchor+|radical |  '''Bilok''' }} (v. f. ngemilok, milok; bebilok), adj. crooked, unjust, v. to turn, be crooked or unjust. Bilok kamudi1 Turn the rudder 1 Apai iya orang lurus utang iya milok kadiri, H is father was a just man but he became un­just.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bilut'''  }} (v. f. milut or ngemilut), adj. crook­ed, folded, turned (as the edge of a weapon), v. to grimace at a person, cause to turn. Kayu tebelian nya ngemilut ka bliong aku. That iron-wood turned the edge of my axe.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bimbang,'''  }} uncertain, perplexed.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bimbi'''  }} (jbebimbi), a goat.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bina''' }} (v. f. ngemina, mina; bebina), to heed, care for, mind. Aku enda mina ka jako iya. I do not heed his talk.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Binchang''' }} (v. f. minchang), to hold the arm or leg with one hand.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Binching''' }} (v. f. minching; bebinching), to carry suspended from the hand. Iya mansa minching ikan. He passed by, carrying fish.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bingkai'''  }} (v. f. mingkai; bebingkai), s. an edging or rim to anything such as a native sunhat {tanggoij, basket (raga menarang1). v. to make such an edging.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bingking'''  }} (bebingking), see begeng.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bingkok''' }} (v. f. mingkok or ngtmingkok; bebmgkok), adj. crooked, unjust, v. to make crooked. Apai iya orang bingkok orang jai. His father was an unjust man, a bad man. Iya mingkok ka pedang aku. He made my sword crooked.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bingung''' }} (v. f. mingung), adj. giddy, stupid, v. to be puzzled, stupid, giddy. Bin­gung pala aku laban glonibang. My head is giddy because of the waves.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bini''' }} (bebini), s. a wife, v. to marry (of the man only). Anakaku apin bebini. My son has not yet married.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Binsang''' }} (v. f. minsang), to have holes, cause to have holes. Raga tu ambis binsang. There are a number of holes in this basket.
Iya minsang ka raga aku. He made a num­ber of holes in my basket.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Binsang,''' }} a hare-lip.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bintang''' }} (bebintang), a star ; a proper name, f. 

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Binteh''' }} (v. f. minteh ; bebinteh), to fight with the legs as fowls do, to kick. Iya minteh kaki aku. He kicked my legs.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bintis'''  }} (v. f. mintis ; bebintis), see binteh.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Biobalai'''  }} (bebiobalai), a storm ; a title. Kami bekayoh ngelaban biobalai. We pulled against the storm.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bira,'''  }} to relieve oneself. Bira panchar. To purge. Bira ka darah. To pass blood, (i. e. dysentery or piles).

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Birah'''  }} (bebirah), a species of giant ''kladium''.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Birai'''  }} (v. f. mirai; bebirai), to unloose. Indu nya salalu mirai ka bok iya. That woman is always letting her hair loose. 

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Biras'''  }} (bebiras), brother-(or sister-)in-law. Ipar biras. Brother-(or sister-)in-law.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Biring,'''  }} red of colour or plumage. Manok lelaki iya hiring. His cock has red plumage.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Biru'''  }} (bebiru), a species of palm (see ban­dam).

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Biru,'''  }} blue.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bisa'''  }} (v. f. misa, ngemisa; bebisa), adj. poisonous, strong (of medicine), effectual, v. to cause to be poisonous. Kendaivangular bisa.
Kendawang is a poisonous snake. Ubat nya bisa bendar. That medicine is very strong. Bisa jako nuan. Your words are irritating (lit : poisonous).

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bisak'''  }} (v. f. misak, ngemisak; bebisak), part, torn, v. to tear.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bisi'''  }} (v. f. ngemisi ; bebisi), is, are, there is, there are, to be, to have. Aku bisi ivang. I have money. Iya ngemisi kadiri. He assumes (the position of) a man of property.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bisu'''  }} (bebisu), dumb.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bla'''  }} (v. f. nyemla; beblaj, adj. equal, even, alike, all, adv. equally, v. to equalize. Bia peninggi siduai. Their height is equal
Kami bla grai. We are all well.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Bla'''  }} (v. f. mla ; bebla), v. to prepare food. Asoh bini nuan beguai mla ka kami. Ask your wife to prepare food for us quickly.

{{Anchor+|radical | '''Blachan'''  }} (beblachan), a paste made of shrimps (bubok).

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{{x-larger|NIGHT the SIXTH.}}

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IN TWO PARTS.

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&quot;Rehearsals began to-day,&quot; he said. He sat down on the bed and looked very sombre. &quot;The worst possible has happened,&quot; he said. &quot;Fagan's directing.&quot;

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Dost ask me, What?—One Sigh for the ''Distrest''.
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Or Ogier from the fairy’s bower&lt;ref&gt;Ogier le Danois was two hundred years in the enchanted regions of the fairy Morgana, who retained him by means of a golden wreath which she had placed on his head. This one day falling into a fountain, he recovers his memory, and wishes to return to Charlemagne’s court. He astonishes every one at the court of Hugues Capet on his arrival, by asking news of his friends. The year passed, during which Morgana in vain strove to regain the coronet; but she at length suceceds in recovering it and her lover together, who returns to her, and remains in her realm eternally.—''Romance of Ogier''.&lt;/ref&gt;
Redeem’d by spells of stronger power,
Or Durandarte, he whose arms
Made deathless bright Belerma’s charms,
Or he whose name all realms revere,
Orlando, of all knights the peer?

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{{di|A}}{{uc|s}} we are at War with the Power, it were well if we were at War with the Manners, of ''France''. A Land of ''Levity'', is a Land of ''Guilt''. A ''Serious Mind'' is the native Soil of every Virtue; and the single Character that does true Honour to Mankind. The ''Soul''{{'}}s ''Immortality'' has been the favourite Theme with the ''Serious'' of all Ages. Nor is it strange; it is a Subject by far the most Interesting, and Important, that can enter the Mind of Man. Of highest Moment this Subject always ''was'', and always ''will be''. Yet this its highest Moment seems to admit of ''Increase'', at this Day; a Sort of occasional Importance is superadded to the ''natural'' Weight of it; if that Opinion which is advanced in the Preface to the preceding ''Night'', be just. It is there supposed, that all our Infidels, whatever Scheme, for Ar-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|gument's}}
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Catalogue No. 55. Brooke Low Collection.

b. Stem straight of a hard dark wood, transfixing resonator and projecting considerably beyond. The head is not expanded; the front of the stem has a deep longitudinal groove for the greater part of its length; there are some shallow transverse grooves and incised lines distad and proximad of longitudinal groove by way of decoration. The resonator is half a gourd, closed by a diaphragm of wood luted on with dammar, the bottom is perforated. The rattan string at one end is looped round the part of the stem that projects beyond the resonator, at the other it is wound round a slip of wood driven transversely through the stem (Plate VII, fig. 3) there are notches on each side of the groove for the reception of a crossbridge. Two bracing strings of grass. Bow of bamboo; with grass string. Total length 60.5 cm., diam. of resonator 11.5 cm.

Catalogue No. 56. Brooke Low collection. This specimen has been figured by Ling Roth (l. c. Vol II, p. 260).

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3. Maloh and Sea-Dyak—''Blikan''.

a. Maloh&lt;ref&gt;* The Malohs whose headquarters appear to be the Kapuas river, Dutch Borneo, are an unsettled wandering people who frequently come over into Sarawak for trading purposes. Dr. A. C. Haddon, F. R. S. who measured 7 individuals finds that these had an average cephalic index of 76.2; he does not group them in any of the five classes into which he divides the natives of Sarawak, but it is likely that they fall into the {{SIC|Kenyah-Kayan|Kelamantan}} division ({{abbr|cf.|compare}} A sketch of the Ethnography of Sarawak, Haddon, Archivio per l'Antropologia et I' Etnologia, Vol. XXXI, 1901)&lt;/ref&gt;—''Blikan'' (Plate II, fig. 3). Two-stringed guitar cut from a block of soft white wood. The resonator is hollowed out from the front and the cavity is closed by a tightly-fitting wooden lid, securely pegged on; this lid is decorated with a geometrical design painted in indigo. The end of the resonator is produced and solid, it has been whittled and fretted to form a scroll. Four triangular holes, their apices conjoined are cut in the lid of the resonator and a block of wood is left attached to the lid just distad of the four holes. The stem is quite straight, somewhat triangular in section, it is very deep from front to back in its lower (distal) portion where it joins the resonator and the back of it here is scrolled and decorated with lines of black dammar; three chevrons of dammar are painted across the back of the stem higher up. The proximal end is expanded into a head carved to represent the head of a hornbill (''Buceros rhinoceros'') with a seed in its mouth, the neck is stained black. Two tuning pegs transfix the stem below the head. The two rattan strings distally are fastened to two little wooden spikes stuck into the wooden block on the lid of the resonator; proximally they pass through holes in the stem just over the tuning pegs, out through the tuning-peg-holes and are gripped in the split-ends of these pegs (Plate VII, fig. 5). Total length 89.8 cm.; length of stem 52 cm; breadth of resonator 15.5 cm. split-ends of these pegs 

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{{li|W}}{{uc|hen the shadow of the sash}} appeared on the curtains it was between seven and eight oclock and then I was in time again, hearing the watch. It was Grandfather's and when Father gave it to me he said, Quentin, I give you the mausoleum of all hope and desire; it's rather excrutiating-ly apt that you will use it to gain the reducto absurdum of all human experience which can fit your individual needs no better than it fitted his or his father's. I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you might forget it now and then for a moment and not spend all your breath trying to conquer it. Because no battle is ever won he said. They are not even fought. The field only reveals to man his own folly and despair, and victory is an illusion of phi­losophers and fools.

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That were but now discover'd to her master.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Excellent witty Lungs!—my only care is,
Where to get stuff enough now, to project on;
This town will not half serve me.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}No, sir! buy
The covering off o' churches.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}That's true.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Yes.
Let them stand bare, as do their auditory;
Or cap them, new, with shingles.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}No, good thatch:
Thatch will lie light upon the rafters, Lungs.—
Lungs, I will manumit thee from the furnace;
I will restore thee thy complexion, Puffe,
Lost in the embers;&lt;ref&gt;''I will restore thee thy complexion, Puffe'',&lt;br/&gt;{{em}}''Lost in the embers;''] Thus [[Author:Geoffrey Chaucer|Chaucer]]:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|&quot;For rednesse have I non right well I knowe
&quot;In my visage, for fumes dyverse
&quot;Of metals which ye have herde me reherce,
&quot;Consumed and wasted hath my rednesse.&quot;
&gt;&gt;''Chanon Yeoman's Tale''.}}&lt;/ref&gt; and repair this brain,
Hurt with the fume o' the metals.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}I have blown, sir,
Hard for your worship; thrown by many a coal,
When 'twas not beech;&lt;ref name=&quot;p52&quot;&gt;{{bar|8}}''thrown by many a coal''&lt;br/&gt;{{em}}''When 'twas not'' beech;] I know not the peculiar property of beech-coal; but such only was used by the alchemists. Of this, there is frequent mention in the same Tale;{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|&quot;This false chanon, the foule fende him fetche,
&quot;Out of his bosom toke a ''bechen'' cole.}}{{pbr}}Again:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=follow|&quot;When that our potte ''is broke'', as I have said,
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Catalogue No. 1035. J. E. A. Lewis, Esq. [P. ix. 98.]

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Flageolets and whistles, with a directive duct formed on the inside of the instrument. (Plate III, fig. 8, and Plate VII, fig. 8 and Plate VIII, figs. 11 and {{SIC|21|12}}).

This type of flageolet seems to be in use amongst the Sea-Dyaks only.

1. Sea-Dyak―''Sulieng nyawa''. (Plate III, fig. 8, and Plate VIII, figs. 11 and {{SIC|21|12}}).

a. (First specimen on the left). Distal end open and obliquely truncate, proximal end cut square and closed by a disc of wood; the sound-hole is quadrangular and is cut quite close to proximal end the disc of wood closing the proximal end is narrowly grooved on the side corresponding to the sound-hole. There are four stops, 1.9 centim apart, the uppermost 18.8 centim from the sound-hole. Length 37 cm; diam 1.8 cm.

Catalogue No. 63. Brooke Low collection.

b. (Fourth specimen from the left). Very similar to the preceding; one stopon the opposite side to, and distant from the sound-hole 31.3 centim three stops on the same side as the sound-hole about 3 centim apart. Length 51.5 cm; diam 1.9 cm.

Catalogue No. 65. Brooke Low collection.

c. (Third specimen from the left). Very similar to No. 63, but proximal end slightly obliquely cut in a opposite direction to the oblique truncation of the distal end. Four stops 3-3.5 centim. apart, the uppermost 19.2 centim. from the soundhole. Length 44.6 cm; diam. 2 cm.

Catalogue No. 66. Brooke Low collection.&lt;noinclude&gt;

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And will conceale my resolution:
I will ere long determine of their deaths,
That causeles thus haue murdered my sonne.

{{em}}''Bel''. ''Hieronimo'', I will consent conceale,
And ought that may effect for thine auaile,
Ioyne with thee to reuenge ''Horatios'' death,

{{em}}''Hie''. On then, whatsoeuer I deuise,
Let me entreat you grace my practises?
For why the plot's already in my head.
Heere they are. 

&lt;&gt;''Enter Balthazar and Lorenzo.''

{{em}}''Bal''. How now, ''Hieronimo'', What courting ''Bel-imperia''?

{{em}}''Hie''. I, my Lord, such courting, as I promise you
She hath my heart; but you my Lord haue hers.

{{em}}''Lor''. But now, ''Hieronimo'', or never wee are to entreat your helpe.

{{em}}''Hi''. My helpe, why my good Lords assure your selues of me
For you haue giuen me cause, I, by my faith haue you.

{{em}}''Bal''. It pleasd you at the entertainement of the Embassador
To grace the king so much as with a shew:
Now were your studie so well furnished,
As for the passing of the first nights sport
To entertaine my father with the like:
Or any such like pleasing motion,
Assure your selfe it would content them well.

{{em}}''Hier''. Is this all?

{{em}}''Bal''. I, this is all.

{{em}}''Hier''. Why then Ile fit you, say no more.
{{anchor|WorksJonsonv1Humourp8}}When I was yong I gave my minde, 
And plide my selfe to fruitlesse Poetrie;
Which though it profite the Professor naught,
Yet is it passing pleasing to the world.

{{em}}''Lor''. And how for that?

{{em}}''Hie''. Marry, my good Lord, thus
And yet me thinke you are too quicke with vs.
When in ''Tolledo'', there I studied,
It was my chance to write a Tragedie:}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|See}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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go to Quelpart to buy seaweed. One time when
he drew up on the shore he saw a man shuffling
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to the house. There was in it one man only, whose
height was terrible to behold, and whose chest was
many spans round. His face was black and his
eyes large and rolling. His voice was like the
braying of a monster donkey. Our people made
motions showing that they wanted something to eat.
The man made no reply, but securely fastened the
front gate. After this he brought an armful of
wood, put it in the middle of the courtyard, and
there made a fire. When the fire blazed up he
rushed after us and caught a young lad, one of our
company, cooked him before our eyes, pulled him
to pieces and ate him. We were all reduced to a
state of horror, not knowing what to do. We gazed
at each other in dismay and stupefaction.

&quot;When he had eaten his fill, he went up into a
verandah and opened a jar, from which he drank
some kind of spirit. After drinking it he uttered
the most gruesome and awful noises; his face grew
very red and he lay down and slept. His snorings
were like the roarings of the thunder. We planned
then to make our escape, and so tried to open the
large gate, but one leaf was about twenty-four feet
across, and so thick and heavy that with all our
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&quot;Among us, one man thought of this plan: We had a knife and he took it, and while the monster was drunk and asleep, decided to stab his eyes out, and cut his throat. We said in reply, 'We are all doomed to death, anyway; let's try,' and we made our way up on to the verandah and stabbed his eyes. He gave an awful roar, and struck out on all sides to catch us. We rushed here and there, making our escape out of the court back into the rear garden. There were in this enclosure pigs and sheep, about sixty of them in all. There we rushed, in among the pigs and sheep. He floundered about, waving his two arms after us, but not one of us did he get hold of; we were all mixed up—sheep, pigs and people. When he did catch anything it was a sheep; and when it was not a sheep it was a pig.
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How cam'st thou by this secret don?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}A spirit
Brought me th' intelligence in a paper here,
As I was conjuring yonder in my circle
For Surly; I have my flies abroad. Your bath
Is famous, Subtle, by my means. Sweet Dol,
You must go tune your virginal, no losing O
O'the least time: and, do you hear? good action.
Firk, like a flounder; kiss, like a scallop,&lt;ref&gt;''Kiss, like a scallop, close;'' &amp;c.] We had this expression in ''Cynthia's Revels'', p. 334: it is an allusion to a little poem attributed to the emperor Gallienus:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|{{em}}{{bar|8}}{{lang|la|''non murmura vestra columbæ'',}}
{{lang|la|''Brachia non hederæ, non vincant oscula conchæ,''}} &amp;c.}}&lt;/ref&gt; close;
And tickle him with thy mother-tongue. His great
Verdugoship&lt;ref&gt;''His great'' Verdugoship] Verdugo is the name of a noble Spanish family, and was probably that of some individual well known to the writers of Jonson's time. He is mentioned by [[Author:John Fletcher|Fletcher]]:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|&quot;Contrive your beard ''o' the top cut'', like Verdugo,
&quot;It shews you would be wise.&quot;{{em|2}}''Tamer Tamed''.}}&lt;/ref&gt; has not a jot of language;
So much the easier to be cozen'd, my Dolly.
He will come here in a hired coach, obscure,
And our own coachman, whom I have sent as guide,
No creature else. [''Knocking without''.] Who's that?
{{rbstagedir|Exit Dol.}}

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}It is not he?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}O no, not yet this hour.

&lt;&gt;''Re-enter'' {{sc|Dol}}.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Who is't?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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How cam'st thou by this secret don?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}A spirit
Brought me th' intelligence in a paper here,
As I was conjuring yonder in my circle
For Surly; I have my flies abroad. Your bath
Is famous, Subtle, by my means. Sweet Dol,
You must go tune your virginal, no losing
O'the least time: and, do you hear? good action.
Firk, like a flounder; kiss, like a scallop,&lt;ref&gt;''Kiss, like a scallop, close;'' &amp;c.] We had this expression in ''Cynthia's Revels'', p. 334: it is an allusion to a little poem attributed to the emperor Gallienus:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|{{em}}{{bar|8}}{{lang|la|''non murmura vestra columbæ'',}}
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And tickle him with thy mother-tongue. His great
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So much the easier to be cozen'd, my Dolly.
He will come here in a hired coach, obscure,
And our own coachman, whom I have sent as guide,
No creature else. [''Knocking without''.] Who's that?
{{rbstagedir|Exit Dol.}}

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}It is not he?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}O no, not yet this hour.

&lt;&gt;''Re-enter'' {{sc|Dol}}.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Who is't?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|{{em}}''Phillis''. {{bar|8}}&quot;Hoping, sir,
&quot;That you will pardon my presumptuousness,
&quot;I am a ''mauther'' that do lack a service.
{{em}}''Quick''. &quot;You've said enough: I'll entertain no mothers;
&quot;A good maid-servant, knew I where to get one—
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&quot;Dares say I am no maid. And for a servant—
&quot;It ill becomes poor folks to praise themselves,
&quot;But I were held a tidy one at home.
{{em}}''Quick''. &quot;O thou'rt a Norfolk woman (cry thee mercy)
&quot;Where ''maids'' are ''mothers'', and ''mothers maids''.&quot;
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{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Do not believe him, sir.
He is the lying'st swabber! Come your ways, sir.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}You are valiant out of company!

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Yes, how then, sir?

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Drugger}} ''with a piece of damask''.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Nay, here's an honest fellow, too, that knows him,
And all his tricks. Make good what I say, Abel,
This cheater would have cozen'd thee o' the widow.—
{{rbstagedir|Aside to Drug.}}
He owes this honest Drugger here, seven pound,
He has had on him, in two-penny'orths of tobacco.

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{{di|I}} {{sc|went}} back to the lobby, to a recess where I had seen a telephone. The phone was there, but dead. I put it down and set out for Minnie Hershey’s room on the sixth floor. I hadn’t been able to do much with the mulatto so far, but she was apparently devoted to her mistress, and, with the telephone useless, I needed a messenger.

I opened the mulatto’s door—lockless as the others—and went in, closing it behind me. Holding a hand over the lens of my flashlight, I snapped it on. Enough light leaked through my fingers to show me the brown girl in her bed, sleeping. The windows were closed, the atmosphere heavy, with a faint stuffiness that was familiar, the odor of a place where flowers had died.

I looked at the girl in bed. She was on her back, breathing through open mouth, her face more like an Indian’s than ever with the heaviness of sleep on it. Looking at her, I felt drowsy myself. It seemed a shame to turn her out. Perhaps she was dreaming of—I shook my head, trying to clear it of the muddle settling there. Lilies of the valley, moonflowers—flowers that had died—was honeysuckle one of the flowers? The question seemed to be important. The flashlight was heavy in my hand, too heavy. Hell with it: I let it drop. It hit my foot, puzzling me: who had touched my foot? Gabrielle Leggett, asking to be saved from Eric Collin-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I swayed forward till the sill caught my thighs, holding me up. My hands were on the sill. I tried to find the handles on the bottom of the window, wasn't sure that I had found them, but put everything I had into an upward heave. The window didn't budge. My hands seemed nailed down. I think I sobbed then; and, holding the sill with my right hand, I beat the glass from the center of the pane with my open left.

Air that stung like ammonia came through the opening. I put my face to it, hanging to the sill with both hands, sucking air in through mouth, nose, eyes, ears, and pores, laughing, with water from my stinging eyes trickling down into my mouth. I hung there drinking air until I was reasonably sure of my legs under me again, and of my eyesight, until I knew myself able to think and move again, though neither speedily nor surely. I couldn't afford to wait longer. I put a handkerchief over my mouth and nose and turned away from the window.

Not more than three feet away, there in the black room, a pale bright thing like a body, but not like flesh, stood writhing before me.

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The thing spoke, though I could not say that I actually heard the words: it was as if I simply became, through my entire body, conscious of the words:

“Down, enemy of the Lord God; down on your knees.”

I stirred then, to lick my lips with a tongue drier than they were.

“Down, accursed of the Lord God, before the blow falls.”

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The thing’s body twisted convulsively, swayed, and bent towards me.

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Now another feeling came to me, growing quickly once it had started—of an immense suffocating weight bearing me down. This thing that had no solidity had weight, weight that was pressing me down, smothering me. My knees were going soft. I spit its face out of my mouth, tore my right hand free from its body and struck up at its face, and felt nothing but its dampness brushing my fist.

I clawed at its insides again with my left hand, tearing at this substance that was so plainly seen, so faintly felt. And then on my left hand I saw something else—blood. Blood that was dark and thick and real covered my hand, dripped from it, running out between my fingers.

I laughed and got strength to straighten my back against the monstrous weight on me, wrenching at the thing’s insides again, croaking: “I’ll gut you plenty.” More blood came through my fingers. I tried to laugh again, triumphantly, and couldn’t, choking instead. The thing’s weight on me was twice what it had been. I staggered back, sagging against the wall, flattening myself against it to keep from sliding down it.

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the thing’s weight, but the poisonous flower-smelling stuff, had been bearing me down.

The thing’s greenish pale dampness squirmed over my face and body. Coughing, I stumbled through the thing, to the door, got the door open, and sprawled out in the corridor that was now as dark as the room I had just left.

As I fell, somebody fell over me. But this was no indescribable thing. It was human. The knees that hit my back were human, sharp. The grunt that blew hot breath in my ear was human, surprised. The arm my fingers caught was human, thin. I thanked God for its thinness. The corridor air was doing me a lot of good, but I was in no shape to do battle with an athlete.

I put what strength I had into my grip on the thin arm, dragging it under me as I rolled over on as much of the rest of its owner as I could cover. My other hand, flung out across the man’s thin body as I rolled, struck something that was hard and metallic on the floor. Bending my wrist, I got my fingers on it, and recognized its feel: it was the over-size dagger with which Riese had been killed. The man I was lolling on had, I guessed, stood beside the door of Minnie’s room, waiting to carve me when I came out; and my fall had saved me, making him miss me with the blade, tripping him. Now he was kicking, jabbing, and butting up at me from his face-down position on the floor, with my hundred and ninety pounds anchoring him there.

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But I wasn’t allowed to wait that long. Something hard pounded my right shoulder, then my back, and then struck the carpet close to our heads. Somebody was swinging a club at me.

I rolled off the skinny man. The club-swinger’s feet stopped my rolling. I looped my right arm above the feet, took another rap on the back, missed the legs with my circling arm, and felt skirts against my hand. Surprised, I pulled my hand back. Another chop of the club—on my side this time—reminded me that this was no place for gallantry. I made a fist of my hand and struck back at the skirt. It folded around my fist: a meaty shin stopped my fist. The shin’s owner snarled above me and backed off before I could hit out again.

Scrambling up on hands and knees, I bumped my head into wood—a door. A hand on the knob helped me up. Somewhere inches away in the dark the club swished again. The knob turned in my hand. I went in with the door, into the room, and made as little noise as I could, practically none, shutting the door.

Behind me in the room a voice said, very softly, but also very earnestly:

“Go right out of here or I'll shoot you.”

Tt was the plump blonde maid’s voice, frightened. I turned, bending low in case she did shoot. Enough of the dull gray of approaching daylight came into this room to outline a shadow sitting up in bed, holding something small and dark in one outstretched hand.

“It’s me,” I whispered.
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“You in on the racket?” I asked, risking a slow step towards the bed.

“I do what I’m told and I keep my mouth shut, but I’m not going in for strong-arm work, not for the money they’re paying me.”

“Swell,” I said, taking more and quicker steps towards the bed. “Could I get down through this window to the floor below if I tied a couple of sheets together?”

“I don’t know——Ouch! Stop!”

I had her gun—a .32 automatic—in my right hand, her wrist in my left, and was twisting them. “Let go,” I ordered, and she did. Releasing her hand, I stepped back, picking up the dagger I had dropped on the foot of the bed.

I tiptoed to the door and listened. I couldn’t hear anything. I opened the door slowly, and couldn’t hear anything, couldn’t see anything in the dim grayness that went through the door. Minnie Hershey’s door was open, as I had left it when I tumbled out. The thing I had fought wasn’t there. I went into Minnie’s room, switching on the lights. She was lying as she had lain before, sleeping heavily. I pocketed my gun, pulled down the covers, picked Minnie up, and carried her over to the maid’s room.

“See if you can bring her to life,” I told the maid, dumping the mulatto on the bed beside her.

“She'll come around all right in a little while: they always do.”

I said, “Yeah?” and went out, down to the fifth floor, to Gabrielle Leggett’s room.

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I cursed the pair of them, trying to show no favoritism, but probably concentrating most on Collinson; snapped off the lights; and ran down the front stairs, feeling as violent as I must have looked, battered and torn and bruised, with a red dagger in one hand, a gun in the other. For four flights of down-going I heard nothing, but when I reached the second floor a noise like small thunder was audible below me. Dashing down the remaining flight, I identified it as somebody’s knocking on the front door. I hoped the somebody wore a uniform. I went to the door, unlocked it, and pulled it open.

Eric Collinson was there, wild-eyed, white-faced, and frantic.

“Where’s Gaby?” he gasped.

“God damn you,” I said and hit him in the face with the gun.

He drooped, bending forward, stopped himself with hands on the vestibule’s opposite walls, hung there a moment, and slowly pulled himself upright again. Blood leaked from a corner of his mouth.

“Where’s Gaby?” he repeated doggedly.

“Where'd you leave her?”

“Here. I was taking her away. She asked me to. She sent me out first to see if anybody was in the street. Then the door closed.” 

“You’re a smart boy,” I grumbled. “She tricked you, still trying to save you from that lousy curse. Why in hell couldn’t you do what I told you? But come on; we'll have to find her.”

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A small figure in white pajamas sprang out of a doorway and fastened itself on me, tangling itself in my legs, all but upsetting me. Unintelligible words came out of it. I pulled it loose from me and saw that it was the boy {{SIC|Manual|Manuel}}. Tears wet his panic-stricken face and crying ruined all the words he was trying to speak.

“Take it easy, son,” I said. “I can’t understand a word you’re saying.”

I understood, “Don’t let him kill her?”

“Who kill who?” I asked. “And take your time.”

He didn’t take his time, but I managed to hear “father” and “mama.”

“Your father’s trying to kill your mother?” I asked, since that seemed the most likely combination.

His head went up and down.

“Where?” I asked.

He fluttered a hand at the iron door ahead. I started towards it, and stopped.

“Listen, son,” I bargained. “I’d like to help your mother, but I’ve got to know where Miss Leggett is first. Do you know where she is?”

“In there with them,” he cried. “Oh, hurry, do hurry!”

“Right. Come on, Collinson,” and we raced for the iron door.

The door was closed, but not locked. I yanked it open. The altar was glaring white, crystal, and silver in an immense beam of blue-white light that slanted down from an edge of the roof.
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torn off. 

Joseph, white-robed, stood in front of the altar, and of his wife. He stood with both arms held high and wide-spread, his back and neck bent so that his bearded face was lifted to the sky. In his right hand he held an ordinary horn-handled carving knife, with a long curved blade. He was talking to the sky, but his back was to us, and we couldn’t hear his words. As we came through the door, he lowered his arms and bent over his wife. We were still a good thirty feet from him. I bellowed:

“Joseph!”

He straightened again, turning, and when the knife came into view I saw that it was still clean, shiny.

“Who calls Joseph, a name that is no more?” he asked, and I'd be a liar if I didn’t admit that, standing there—for I had halted ten feet from him, with Collinson beside me—looking at him, listening to his voice, I didn’t begin to feel that perhaps, after all, nothing very terrible had been about to happen. “There is no Joseph,” he went on, not waiting for an answer to his question. “You may now know, as the world shall soon know, that he who went among you as Joseph was not Joseph, but God Himself. Now that you know, go.”

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He drew himself up taller, and his white-bearded face was stern.

“Go,” he commanded; “go from me before your defiance leads to destruction.”

Aaronia Haldorn spoke from where she lay tied on the step, spoke to me:

“Shoot. Shoot now—quick. Shoot.”

I said to the man:

“I don’t care what your right name is. You’re going to the can. Now put your knife down.”

“Blasphemer,” he thundered, and took a step towards me. “Now you will die.”

That should have been funny. It wasn’t.

I yelled, “Stop,” at him. He wouldn’t stop. I was afraid. I fired. The bullet hit his cheek. I saw the hole it made. No muscle twitched in his face; not even his eyes blinked. He walked deliberately, not hurrying, towards me.

I worked the automatic’s trigger, pumping six more bullets into his face and body. I saw them go in. And he came on steadily, showing in no way that he was conscious of them. His eyes and face were stern, but not angry. When he was close to me the knife in his hand went up high above his head. That’s no way to fight with a knife; but he wasn’t fighting: he was bringing retribution to me, and he paid as little attention to my attempts to stop him as a parent does to those of a small child he’s punishing.

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I didn’t know I had closed my eyes until I found myself opening them. The first thing I saw was Eric Collinson kneeling beside Gabrielle Leggett, turning her face from the glaring light-beam, trying to rouse her. Next I saw Aaronia Haldorn, apparently unconscious on the altar step, with the boy {{SIC|Manual|Manuel}} crying on her and pulling with too nervous hands at her bonds. Then I saw that I was standing with my legs apart, and that Joseph was lying between my feet, dead, with the dagger through his neck.

“Thank God he wasn’t really God,” I mumbled to myself.

A brown body in white brushed past me, and Minnie Hershey was throwing herself down in front of Gabrielle Leggett, crying:

“Oh, Miss Gabrielle, I thought that devil had come alive and was after you again.”

I went over to the mulatto and took her by the shoulder, lifting her up, asking her: “How could he? Didn’t you kill him dead?”

“Yes, sir, but—”

“But you thought he might have come back in another shape?”

“Y-yes, sir. I thought he was—” She stopped and worked her lips together.

“Me?” I asked.

She nodded, not looking at me.
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''The Unholy Grail''}}

{{di|O}}{{sc|wen Fitzstephan}} and I ate another of Mrs. Schindler’s good dinners that evening, though my eating was a matter of catching bites between words. His curiosity poked at me with questions, requests to have this or that point made clear, and orders to keep talking whenever I stopped for breath or food.

“You could have got me in on it,” he had complained before our soup was in front of us. “I knew the Haldorns, you know, or, at least, had met them once or twice at Leggett’s. You could have used that as an excuse for somehow letting me in on the affair, so that I’d now have first-hand knowledge of what happened, and why; instead of having to depend on what I can get out of you and what the newspapers imagine their readers would like to think had happened.”

“I had,” I said, “enough grief with the one guy I did let in on it—Eric Collinson.”

“Whatever trouble you had with him was your own fault, for selecting the wrong assistant, when such a better one was available. But come, my boy, I’m listening. Let’s have the story, and then I can tell you where you erred.”

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“As actors, Aaronia Haldorn says, she and Joseph were just pretty good, not getting on as well as they wanted to. About a year ago she ran into an old acquaintance—a one-time trouper—who had chucked the stage for the pulpit, and had made a go of it, now riding in Packards instead of day-coaches. That gave her something to think about. Thinking in that direction meant, pretty soon, thinking about Aimee, Buchman, Jeddu what’s-his-name, and the other headliners. And in the end her thinking came to, why not us? They—or she: Joseph was a lightweight—rigged up a cult that pretended to be the revival of an old Gaelic church, dating from King Arthur’s time, or words to that effect.”

“Yes,” said Fitzstephan; “Arthur Machen’s. But go on.” 

“They brought their cult to California because everybody does, and picked San Francisco because it held less competition than Los Angeles. With them they brought a little fellow named Tom Fink who had at one time or another been in charge of the mechanical end of most of the well-known stage magicians’ and illusionists’ acts; and Fink’s wife, a big village-smith of a woman.

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“I can’t give you the mechanical details now; not till we’ve had time to take the joint apart. It’s going to be interesting. I saw some of their work—mingled right in with it—a ghost made by an arrangement of lights thrown up on steam rising from a padded pipe that had been pushed into a dark room through a concealed opening in the {{SIC|wainscoating|wainscoting}} under a bed. The part of the steam that wasn’t lighted was invisible in the darkness, showing only a man-shape that quivered and writhed, and that was damp and real to the touch, without any solidity. You can take my word for its being a weird stunt, especially when you’ve been filled up with the stuff they pumped into the room before they turned their spook loose on you. I don’t know whether they used ether or chloroform or what: its odor was nicely disguised with some sort of flower perfume. This spook—I fought with it, on the level, and even thought I had it bleeding, not knowing I had cut my hand breaking a window to let air in. It was a beaut: it made a few minutes seem like a lot of hours to me.

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“Happening in the victim’s room, when he was alone, these visions had a lot of authority, and the Haldorns gave them more by the attitude they took towards them. Discussion of these visions was not absolutely prohibited, but was discouraged. They were supposed—these spook sessions—to be confidential between the victim and his God, to be too sacred to be bragged about. Mentioning them, even to Joseph, unless there was some special reason for having to mention them, was considered in bad taste, indelicate. See how nicely that would work out? The Haldorns seemed to be ''not'' trying to capitalize on these spook sessions, seemed not to know what took place in them, and therefore to have no interest in whether the victim carried out his spook-given instructions or not. Their stand was that that was simply and strictly a concern of the victim’s and his God's.”

“That’s very good,” Fitzstephan said, smiling delightedly, “a neat reversal of the usual cult’s—the usual sect’s, for that matter—insistence on confession, public testimony, or some other form of advertising the mysteries. Go on.”

I tried to eat. He said:
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“Yeah,” I said; “but what can you do with people like them? Half of them are still willing to string along with Aaronia Haldorn. I showed Mrs. Rodman one of the pipes that the spooks came out of. When she had gasped once and gulped twice she offered to take us to the cathedral and show us that the images there, including the one on the cross, were made out of even more solid and earthly materials than steam; and asked us if we would arrest the bishop on proof that no actual flesh and blood—whether divine or not—was in the monstrance. I thought O’Gar, who’s a good Catholic, would blackjack her.”

“The Colemans weren’t there, were they? The Ralph Colemans?”

“No.”

“Too bad,” he said, grinning. “I must look Ralph up and question him. He'll be in hiding by now, of course, but he’s worth hunting out. He always has the most consistently logical and creditable reasons for having done the most idiotic things. He is”—as if that explained it—“an advertising man.” Fitzstephan frowned at the discovery that I was eating again, and said impatiently: “Talk, my boy, talk.”

“You've met Haldorn,” I said, “What did you think of him?”

“I saw him twice, I think. He was, undoubtedly, impressive.”

“He was,” I agreed. “He had what he needed. Ever talk to him?”
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“Well, he looked at you and spoke to you, and things happened inside you. I’m not the easiest guy in the world to dazzle, I hope; but he had me going. I came damned near to believing he was God toward the last. He was quite young—in his thirties: they’d had the coloring—the pigment—in his hair and beard killed to give him that Father Joseph front. His wife says she used to hypnotize him before he went into action, and that without being {{SIC|hynotized|hypnotized}} he wasn’t so effective on people. Later he got so that he could hypnotize himself without her help, and toward the last it became a permanent condition with him.

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“They had cut loose on Minnie from the very beginning. She was a mulatto, and therefore susceptible to that sort of game, and she was devoted to Gabrielle Leggett. They had chucked visions and voices at the poor girl until she was dizzy. Now they decided to make her kill Riese. They drugged him and put him on the altar. They ghosted her into thinking that he was Satan—this is serious: they did this—come up from hell to carry Gabrielle down and keep her from becoming a saint. Minnie was ripe for it—poor boogie—and when the spirit told her that she had been selected to save her mistress, that she’d find the annointed weapon on her table, she followed the instructions the spirit gave her. She got out of bed, picked up the dagger that had been put on her table, went down to the altar, and killed Riese.

“To play safe, they pumped some of the gas into my room, to keep me slumbering while Minnie was at work. But I had been nervous, jumpy, and was sleeping in a chair in the center of the room, instead of on the bed, close to the gas-pipe; so I came out of the dope before the night was far gone.

“By this time, Aaronia Haldorn had made a couple of discoveries: first, that her husband’s interest in the girl wasn’t altogether financial; and second, that he had gone off center, was a dangerous maniac. Going around hypnotized all the time, what brains he had—not a whole lot to start with, she says—had become completely scrambled. His success in flimflamming his followers had gone to his head. He thought he could do anything, get&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“Aaronia Haldorn had, she says, no knowledge of Riese’s murder until after it was done. Joseph, using the vision-and-voice trick, sent Gabrielle down to see the corpse on the altar step. That would fit in, you see, with his original scheme to tie her to him by playing his divinity against her curse. Apparently, he intended joining her there, and putting on an act of some sort for her. But Collinson and I interrupted that. Joseph and Gabrielle heard us talking at the door, so Joseph held back, not joining her at the altar, and she came to meet us. Joseph’s plan was successful this far: the girl actually believed the curse had been responsible for Riese’s death. She told us she had killed him and ought to be hanged for it.

“As soon as I saw Riese’s body I knew she hadn’t killed him. He was lying in an orderly position. It was plain he had been doped before being killed. Then the door leading to the altar, which I imagined was kept locked, was open, and she didn’t know anything about the key. There was a chance that she had been in on the killing, but none that she had done it alone as she confessed.

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“Kill yourself into a hole, and the chances are a time comes when you have to kill yourself out. To this nut Joseph now, ‘taking care of’ me is simply a matter of another murder. He and the Finks—though I don’t think we’re going to prove their part—went to work on Minnie with the spooks again. She had killed Riese docilely enough: why not me? You see, they were handicapped by not being equipped for this wholesale murdering into which they had all of a sudden plunged. For instance, except for my gun and one of the maids’—which they didn’t know anything about—there wasn’t a firearm in the place; and the dagger was the only other weapon—until they got to dragging in carving sets and plumber’s helpers. Then, too, I suppose, there&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“They had found the dagger again, in the dressing-gown, where Aaronia had stuck it; and Joseph began suspecting that his wife was double-crossing him. When he caught her in the acting of turning on the dead-flower stuff so strong in Minnie’s room that it knocked her completely out—put her so soundly asleep that a dozen ghosts couldn’t have stirred her into action—he was sure of her treachery; and, up to his peck now, decided to kill ''her''.”

“His wife?” Fitzstephan asked.

“Yeah, but what difference does that make? It might as well have been anybody else for all the sense it makes. I hope you’re not trying to keep this nonsense straight in your mind. You know damned well all this didn’t happen.”

“Then what,” he asked, looking puzzled, “did happen?”

“I don’t know. I don’t think anybody knows. I'm telling you what I saw plus the part of what Aaronia Haldorn told me which fits in with what I saw. To fit in with what I saw, most of it must have happened very nearly as I’ve told you. If you want to believe that it did, all right. I don’t. I’d rather believe I saw things that weren’t there.”

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“You actually believe what I’ve told you so far?” I asked.

He nodded, grinning, and said that he not only believed it but liked it.

“What a childish mind you’ve got,” I said. “Let me tell you the story about the wolf that went to the little girl’s grandmother’s house and—”

“I always liked that one, too; but finish this one now. Joseph had decided to kill his wife.”

“All right. There’s not much more. While Minnie was being worked on, I popped into her room, intending to rouse her and send her for help. Before I did any rousing, I was needing some myself: I had a couple of lungfuls of the gas. The Finks must have turned the ghost loose on me, because Joseph was probably on his way downstairs with his wife at that time. He had faith enough in his divinity-shield, or he was nutty enough, to take her down and tie her on the altar before he carved her. Or maybe he had a way of fitting that stunt into his scheme, or maybe he simply had a liking for bloody theatricals. Anyway, he probably took her down there while I was up in Minnie’s room going around and around with the ghost.

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.32’s go in clean, without much of a thump, true enough; but I put seven of them in him—in his face and body—standing close and firing pointblank—and he didn’t even know it. That’s how completely he had himself hypnotized. I finally got him down by driving the dagger through his neck.”

I stopped. Fitzstephan asked: “Well?”

“Well what?”

“What happened after that?”

“Nothing,” I said. “That’s the kind of a story it is. I warned you there was no sense to it.”

“But what was Gabrielle doing there?”

“Crouching beside the altar, looking up at the pretty spotlight.”

“But why was she there? What was her reason for being there? Had she been called there again? Or was she there of her own free will? How did she come to be there? What was she there for?”

“I don’t know. She didn’t know. I asked her. She didn’t know she was there.”

“But surely you could learn something from the others?”

“Yeah,” I said; “what I’ve told you, chiefly from Aaronia Haldorn. She and her husband ran a cult, and he went crazy and began murdering people, and how could she help it? Fink won’t talk. He’s a mechanic,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I stopped. Fitzstephan asked: “Well?”

“Well what?”

“What happened after that?”

“Nothing,” I said. “That’s the kind of a story it is. I warned you there was no sense to it.”

“But what was Gabrielle doing there?”

“Crouching beside the altar, looking up at the pretty spotlight.”

“But why was she there? What was her reason for being there? Had she been called there again? Or was she there of her own free will? How did she come to be there? What was she there for?”

“I don’t know. She didn’t know. I asked her. She didn’t know she was there.”

“But surely you could learn something from the others?”

“Yeah,” I said; “what I’ve told you, chiefly from Aaronia Haldorn. She and her husband ran a cult, and he went crazy and began murdering people, and how could she help it? Fink won’t talk. He’s a mechanic,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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helped him, are in the clear. The worst any of them can draw is a light sentence for taking part in the cult swindle. But if any of them admits knowing anything, then he lets himself in for trouble as an accomplice in the murder. Nobody’s likely to do that.”

“I see,” Fitzstephan said slowly. “Joseph is dead, so Joseph did everything. How will you get around that?”

“I won't,” I said; “though the police will at least try to. My end’s done, so Madison Andrews told me a couple of hours ago.”

“But if, as you say, you aren’t satisfied that you’ve learned the whole truth of the affair, I should think you—”

“It’s not me,” I said. “There’s a lot I’d like to do yet, but I was hired, this time, by Andrews, to guard her while she was in the Temple. She isn’t there now, and Andrews doesn’t think there’s anything further to be learned about what happened there. And, as far&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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helped him, are in the clear. The worst any of them can draw is a light sentence for taking part in the cult swindle. But if any of them admits knowing anything, then he lets himself in for trouble as an accomplice in the murder. Nobody’s likely to do that.”

“I see,” Fitzstephan said slowly. “Joseph is dead, so Joseph did everything. How will you get around that?”

“I won’t,” I said; “though the police will at least try to. My end’s done, so Madison Andrews told me a couple of hours ago.”

“But if, as you say, you aren’t satisfied that you’ve learned the whole truth of the affair, I should think you—”

“It’s not me,” I said. “There’s a lot I’d like to do yet, but I was hired, this time, by Andrews, to guard her while she was in the Temple. She isn’t there now, and Andrews doesn’t think there’s anything further to be learned about what happened there. And, as far&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“I see,” Fitzstephan said slowly. “Joseph is dead, so Joseph did everything. How will you get around that?”

“I won’t,” I said; “though the police will at least try to. My end’s done, so Madison Andrews told me a couple of hours ago.”

“But if, as you say, you aren’t satisfied that you’ve learned the whole truth of the affair, I should think you—”

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helped him, are in the clear. The worst any of them can draw is a light sentence for taking part in the cult swindle. But if any of them admits knowing anything, then he lets himself in for trouble as an accomplice in the murder. Nobody’s likely to do that.”

“I see,” Fitzstephan said slowly. “Joseph is dead, so Joseph did everything. How will you get around that?”

“I won’t,” I said; “though the police will at least try to. My end’s done, so Madison Andrews told me a couple of hours ago.”

“But if, as you say, you aren’t satisfied that you’ve learned the whole truth of the affair, I should think you—”

“It’s not me,” I said. “There’s a lot I’d like to do yet, but I was hired, this time, by Andrews, to guard her while she was in the Temple. She isn’t there now, and Andrews doesn’t think there’s anything further to be learned about what happened there. And, as far&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“Her what?”

“Husband.”

Fitzstephan thumped his stein down on the table so that beer sloshed over the sides.

“Now there you are,” he said accusingly. “You didn’t tell me anything about that. God only knows how much else there is that you’ve not told me.”

“Collinson took advantage of the confusion to carry her off to Reno, where they won't have to wait the Californian three days for their license. I didn’t know they’d gone till Andrews jumped on my neck three or four hours later. He was kind of unpleasant about it, which is one of the ways we came to stop being client and operative.” 

“I didn’t know he was opposed to Collinson as a husband for her.”

“I don’t know that he is, but he didn’t think this the time, nor that the way, for their wedding.”

“I can understand that,” he said as we got up from the table. “Andrews likes to have his way in most things.”
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{{fine block|{{hi|A noble girl, i' faith. Heart! I think I fight with a familiar, or the ghost of a fencer. Call you this an amorous visage? Here's blood that would have served me this seven years, in broken heads and cut fingers, and now it runs out all together.—[[Author:Thomas Middleton|{{sc|Middleton}}]]. ''Roaring Girl''.}}}}
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{{li|P|1.5em}}{{sc|rince}} John sate down impatiently before Arlingford Castle in the hope of starving out the besieged; but finding the duration of their supplies extend itself in an equal ratio with the prolongation of his hope, he made vigorous preparations for carrying the place by storm. He constructed an immense machine on wheels, which, being advanced to the edge of the moat, would lower a temporary bridge, of which one end would rest on the bank and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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That's what you are, old feller, if you even ''think'' you can
pull any of that stuff on me.

{{asc|Wanderer}} I'm thinking you are all wrong--both ways---young man. ''I'm''
not a dope, and ''she's'' going home, if she still wants to.

{{asc|Mary}} You give me the five and see how quick I'll go. I'll even let
you take me to the station and put me on the train.

''(Wanderer takes wallet from pocket, opens it, is about to hand Mary a five dollar bill.)''

{{asc|Leonard}} Put that bill back in your wallet before I knock you off
your feet.

''(Wanderer holds out the bill for Mary to take it. She looks at money, then at Leonard.--Wanderer looks at Mary. Seeing fear in her eyes he takes her bag from her, opens it, is about to drop bill into it, when Leonard lands him a blow. He staggers and falls.)''

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Eyes flashing anger)'' You'd never pick on a man your age.

''(She helps Wanderer to his feet.)''

{{asc|Wanderer}} ''(To Len.)'' ''You'' were right. I ''must'' be a fool, or I'd know a
man like you would make his threat good.--''(He looks at the bill still in his hand)''

{{asc|Leonard}} I guess you'll put it back in your wallet now.

{{asc|Wanderer}} Your guess is wrong.

{{asc|Leonard}} ''(Gruffly)'' You have another smack coming if you don't put that
money back in your pocket.

{{asc|Wanderer}} ''(Smiles)'' Do you think you would have landed that blow if I expected it? Now I'm preparing you. I'm not ''half'' as dead as I look.

{{asc|Leonard}} ''(Sneers)'' No?&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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can't finish, eh?

{{asc|Wanderer}} Not if I can help it.

{{asc|Mary}} I'd like to get that nine twenty train if I can make it.

{{asc|Officer}} Grand Central?

{{asc|Mary}} No. The Penn Station.

{{asc|Officer}} Then yo got no time for fooling. You better hurry.

{{asc|Wanderer}} ''(To Mary)'' You said you'd want me to take you to the station. Do you?

{{asc|Mary}} You bet your sweet life I do.

''(Wanderer takes up his pack, puts his cap on, takes his cane goes over to Mary)''

{{asc|Mary}} I'll take your arm, Mister--er--

{{asc|Wanderer}} Olson. My name's John Olson.

{{asc|Mary}} Sweede, eh? You've come a long way, have'nt you? An' yer still goin! Expect to find yer wife some day?

{{asc|Wanderer}} Yes. If she's alive I'll find her.---''(He offers Mary his arm She takes it)''

{{asc|Officer}} ''(As they turn to go)'' Good luck to the both of yer.

{{asc|Mary &amp; Wand.}} Thanks.

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Turns after a few steps)'' Good-bye, Len.----''(No answer)''---

{{asc|Officer}} ''(To Leonard)'' You're a bum sport.

{{asc|Mary}} Yes. Isn't he? Good-bye, officer.

{{asc|Officer}} Good-bye, Mary. I hope you make yer train.

{{asc|Wanderer}} It'll be no fault o' mine if she does'nt.--''(To Mary)''--Come along now,---''(They walk off)''

''(During most of the conversation Len. was at a distance from the officer, partly hidden by a tree, partly by dark shadow. As officer turns he sees Len. is looking on the ground for''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''something.)''

{{asc|Officer}} What ye looking for?

{{asc|Leonard}} I lost one of my gold cuff links.

''(Officer takes flash light from pocket, looks around on ground a moment)''

{{asc|Officer}} What's the matter? Can't ye see? There it is, laying right in front o' yer eyes.---''(Len. goes down on hands and knees)''--Can't see it? There, there it is,--''there''! Are ye blind? No, not there. What the---''(Officer bends down, picks up button)''---I suppose if it was someting to eat ye'd want it put in your mouth for ye.

''(He is about to hand Len. the button. Light flashes on Len's face.--Officer sees his eye is black and almost closed. He looks at him a moment, begins to laugh.)''

---No wonder you could'nt see. The Swede closed one o' yer eyes.

{{asc|Leonard}} Yes. And the other one don't feel so good either.

{{asc|Officer}} ''(Still chuckling)'' Get up! Let me take a look at 'em. Yer might be needin'-----

''(Leonard rises. Officer flashes light on him. He sees Len' collar is torn. Tie hangs to one side. Hair is disheveled. Shirt is pulled out. As Officer takes a good look at him, he begins to laugh loud and hearty, talking while he laughs)--''

{{asc|Officer}} Boy! He sure mussed you up.

''(He laughs and laughs louder as ''

Curtain falls.''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''something.)''

{{asc|Officer}} What ye looking for?

{{asc|Leonard}} I lost one of my gold cuff links.

''(Officer takes flash light from pocket, looks around on ground a moment)''

{{asc|Officer}} What's the matter? Can't ye see? There it is, laying right in front o' yer eyes.---''(Len. goes down on hands and knees)''--Can't see it? There, there it is,--''there''! Are ye blind? No, not there. What the---''(Officer bends down, picks up button)''---I suppose if it was someting to eat ye'd want it put in your mouth for ye.

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---No wonder you could'nt see. The Swede closed one o' yer eyes.

{{asc|Leonard}} Yes. And the other one don't feel so good either.

{{asc|Officer}} ''(Still chuckling)'' Get up! Let me take a look at 'em. Yer might be needin'-----

''(Leonard rises. Officer flashes light on him. He sees Len' collar is torn. Tie hangs to one side. Hair is disheveled. Shirt is pulled out. As Officer takes a good look at him, he begins to laugh loud and hearty, talking while he laughs)--''

{{asc|Officer}} Boy! He sure mussed you up.

''(He laughs and laughs louder as ''

''Curtain falls.''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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''he is thinking deeply.--Silence a moment. He keeps looking at Wan.)''
-- Say, what made you ask me that question?

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Hesitates)''--Well, er--what you just said about her. You see I--

{{asc|Joe}} ''(Looks straight into Wanderer's eyes)'' What's on your mind, friend? If--if it's anything I ought to know---

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(A short chuckle)''--My good man, It was'nt ''you'' I was thinking about, when I asked that question.

{{asc|Joe}} ''(In suspicious tone)''--No?

{{asc|Wan.}} ''No.'' It was'nt. Well, I can see I put something in your head that does'nt belong there at all, so it's up to me to take it out again.--I asked you that question, because I've traveled many hundreds of miles, perhaps thousands, in the hope of finding my wife.

{{asc|Joe}} She left you?

{{asc|Wan.}} Yes--with another man.

{{asc|Joe}} With another man! And you--you're looking for her, and you'll take her back if you find her?

{{asc|Wan.}} Yes.

{{asc|Joe}} I can't understand. You look like a sensible man, and yet---

{{asc|Wan.}} Did you never hear of a thing called Cupid?

{{asc|Joe}} Yes, I have.

{{asc|Wan.}} You know, he is supposed to be deaf and dumb and blind.

{{asc|Joe}} Yes. I heard that too.

{{asc|Wan.}} Then why do we whisper into his ears the most beautiful words, we
can think of, when we know he is deaf. Why do we believe we hear
an angel sing, when his lips move--we know he is dumb, he can't
talk. And why are we ready to cut out our heart just that he might
''see'' how great our love is, when we ''know'' he can't see---&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Mary}} ''(Picking up pitcher that stood on table)'' Why did'nt you take
''this'' one?

{{asc|Joe}} I'd have to wash it, would'nt I?

{{asc|Mary}} ''(To Wan.)'' Would you believe anybody could be as lazy as that?
Here, put your pitcher down and take this one inside.--''(He
takes pitcher)''---Take those dirty glasses too while you're at it.

''(Joe takes glasses that were half filled with water, puts one
into the other, spilling contents all over himself.)''

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Looks at Wan.)'' If his heart was anything like his head, you
can take it from me I would'nt be here.---''(To Joe, in tone of disgust)''---Go ahead now. Take them into the kitchen.

{{asc|Joe}} ''(Going to door, turns)''--How about some cookies, Mary? They'll go good with the lemonade.

{{asc|mary}} Sure. Bring some in.---- ''(As Joe leaves, Mary gathers papers in a pile and puts them on the piano)''--He wants to show off his cookies.
He baked them, and take it from me, they're good.

''(She goes to table, pours lemonade into a glass.--Enter Joe with small plate of cookies. Mary hands Wanderer the glass.)''

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Taking glass)'' Thanks.

{{asc|Mary}} ''(To Joe)'' Come on with the cookies.--- ''(Joe goes to Wan., who takes one)''--Take some more. They're good with lemonade.

{{asc|Joe}} They're good ''without'' lemonade too.

{{asc|Wan.}} They look very good.

{{asc|Mary}} Eat them and make sure.

{{asc|Joe}} Come on. Take some more.

''(Wan. miles kindly, takes another cookie, takes a bite of it)''

{{asc|Wan.}} This ''is'' good.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Mary}} ''(Picking up pitcher that stood on table)'' Why did'nt you take
''this'' one?

{{asc|Joe}} I'd have to wash it, would'nt I?

{{asc|Mary}} ''(To Wan.)'' Would you believe anybody could be as lazy as that?
Here, put your pitcher down and take this one inside.--''(He takes pitcher)''---Take those dirty glasses too while you're at it.

''(Joe takes glasses that were half filled with water, puts one into the other, spilling contents all over himself.)''

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Looks at Wan.)'' If his heart was anything like his head, you
can take it from me I would'nt be here.---''(To Joe, in tone of disgust)''---Go ahead now. Take them into the kitchen.

{{asc|Joe}} ''(Going to door, turns)''--How about some cookies, Mary? They'll go good with the lemonade.

{{asc|mary}} Sure. Bring some in.---- ''(As Joe leaves, Mary gathers papers in a pile and puts them on the piano)''--He wants to show off his cookies.
He baked them, and take it from me, they're good.

''(She goes to table, pours lemonade into a glass.--Enter Joe with small plate of cookies. Mary hands Wanderer the glass.)''

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Taking glass)'' Thanks.

{{asc|Mary}} ''(To Joe)'' Come on with the cookies.--- ''(Joe goes to Wan., who takes one)''--Take some more. They're good with lemonade.

{{asc|Joe}} They're good ''without'' lemonade too.

{{asc|Wan.}} They look very good.

{{asc|Mary}} Eat them and make sure.

{{asc|Joe}} Come on. Take some more.

''(Wan. miles kindly, takes another cookie, takes a bite of it)''

{{asc|Wan.}} This ''is'' good.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Joe}} Mary, you promised me you'd be through with her for good!

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Hesitatingly)'' Well--well, you see I---

{{asc|Amy}} So he made you promise him that, ey? -- ''(She looks at Joe defiantly)''
''(To Mary)'' How'd you like to go to a swell party to-night, Mary?

{{asc|Mary}} Whose party?

{{asc|Amy}} Never mind whose party.--It's gonna be a swell one.

''(Mary's eyes light up. She looks at Joe, then at Wan.--turns to Amy)''

{{asc|Mary}} I--I--Sure, I'd like to go, but--''(Looks at Joe again)''

{{asc|Amy}} Say, it's yer back-bone you're needin' now. Your wish-bone ain't
gonna do you a bit o' good. --Are ye goin? to the party to-night, or ain't ye?

{{asc|Joe}} She ''ain't''!
''(Amy looks at Mary for some reply.--Mary is silent)''

{{asc|Amy}} ''(Shaking her head and smiling sarcastically)''--No use! All ''wish''-bone
no back-bone at all. It's just a waste o' breath to---Well, I guess
I'll be going.--''(She turns to door, is about to pass Joe, stops, and looks at him a moment)''--Joe Case! I'd give a year o' my life if I could show you up for what you are right now;  but so long's she is
stayin' with ye? I ain't makin' things any harder for her than they
already are.--So you win till--till she wakes up. I don't think it
will be very long now.--''(To Mary)''--Gimme a glass o' that pink
lemonade, Mary, will you. I'm awfully dry.

{{asc|Mary}} Sure.--''(Pours drink, hands it to Amy)''

{{asc|Amy}} ''(Holds up glass, looks at contents)''--No use askin'--- ''(She looks at Joe)''--No. Of course not.--Well, anybody will drink anything, even ''water'', when they're dry.--''(As she raises glass to her lips, she looks straight at Mary)''--Here's hopin' yer come to life before yer
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{{asc|Joe}} Now, you get out o', here--and don't ever come back and ring this door
bell again.

{{asc|Mary}} ''(In angry tone)'' Say, who do you think you are anyway? You can't
insult my friend like that right here in front o' me and get away
with it.

{{asc|Joe}} Did'nt you say----

{{asc|Mary}} ''(Interrupts)''--Yes--I said--I said--but where do you get off to order
her out o' the house and tell her never to ring this door bell again?

{{asc|Joe}} I meant just what I said.

{{asc|Mary}} Oh, you did, did you? Well, here's my answer to ''that''.--''(She turns to Amy)''-- Amy, I'll be seein' you at the party to-night.

{{asc|Amy}} Hurray for Mary!

{{asc|Joe}} ''(To Mary, in decided tone)''--If you go to that party to-night you
can't come back ''here'' no more!

{{asc|Amy}} Fine! She can come right back to New York with me. How about it, Mary

{{asc|Mary}} Well, I--I don't know about ''that'', but I ''do'' know I'm going to that party.
''(During all this, Wanderer sits listening attentively, his face depicting the impressions it makes upon him.--He now looks at Amy.)''

{{asc|Wan.}} Why don't you leave this young couple alone? They seemed to be contented before you---

{{asc|Amy}} Before I butted in.--Say, what makes you think they're so contented?

{{asc|Wan.}} I don't think. I know!

{{asc|Amy}} Oh, you do. He ''told'' you so, I suppose. Well, now take a little o' my
advice. DON't believe anything you hear around this burg, and only
''half'' o' what you see.

{{asc|Wan.}} You might be right in that, but I wish you'd take a little of my
advice. I'm old enough to be your father. It's wrong to try and
seperate a couple. It's more than that. It's sinful!&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{issue banner|VOL. 1.|SATURDAY, DECEMBER 22, 1900.|NO. 42.}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{l|{{c|A FIGHT NEAR MASIPI.}}}}
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{{c|'''A Detachment of the Sixteenth Infantry and Forty-Ninth Vols., Rout a Band of Insurgents near Masipi-A Large Quantity of Arms and Ammunition Captured.'''}}
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Saturday, December 1st, a detachment from Company F, 16th Infantry, and Company K, and Band, 49th Vols., consisting of twenty-one men, under command of Capt. Vaiden, 49th Vols., left Tuguegarao on a scouting expedition toward Cabagan Nuevo, stopping at the latter place for the night, having thoroughly scoured the country between that point and Tuguegarao. At an early hour the following morning, in compliance with verbal orders from Major Robert Gage, 49th Vols., the command proceeded on a tour through the Cabagan river swamps, taking with them a sergeant of Company E, 16th. Infantry, and a native prisoner as a guide.

The command thoroughly scouted the country in their immediate vicinity, closely following dim and almost impassable trails, often wading through mud and water neck deep, but nothing of importance took place until about dark, when a steep embankment near the pueblo of Masipi was reached, where, from the evidence at hand, Capt. Vaiden came to the conclusion that he was nearing an insurgent stronghold. The command was at once divided and preparations made to surround the place. After the surrounding party bad departed an attempt was made to ascend the embankment which was very steep and slippery, making it a difficult task, the men having to assist one another up.

Capt. Vaiden was the first up the bank but he had no more than mounted the top when he was halted by a sentry who opened fire which the Captain returned alone until his men had made the ascent when a general fire was opened by the Americans which the &quot;gugus&quot; returned, seriously wounding the native guide. A steady fire was kept up until the surrounding party, which had been delayed by the deep mud and steep slippery embankment along their path, opened fire on the opposite side when the insurgents scattered in every direction. It was impossible for the detachment to follow the enemy as their guide was unable to travel and it was necessary that he should receive medical attention as soon as possible.

A careful search was made in the vicinity of the fight which resulted in the location of 1 Krag, 1 Remington and 2 Mauser rifles; 1 {{Nowrap|B. L.}} Remington shotgun, 2 {{Nowrap|U. S.}} cartridge belts, 4 native cartridge boxes filled with ammunition, 1 Krag bayonet and scabbard, 11 bolos, 7 spears, 1,000 rounds of Remington ammunition, 1 brass trumpet, 5 native ponies, $48.50 in Mexican silver, two insurgent muster rolls and a package of very important papers, all of which were taken possession of. The command then made its way to Masipi where the guide was left in the care of friends until the detachment returned to Cabagan Nuevo, when a surgeon visited him. The place where the fight occurred must have been a regular insurgent camp for the place was well located and intrenched. A remarkable protection surrounded the camp, consisting of a series of ditches about four feet wide and four feet deep, in the bottom of which, sharp pointed strips of bamboo had been driven about two inches apart, and in a large tree near the place a &quot;crows nest&quot; had been built which a sentry occupied. The unfortunate guide has since died.
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On December 13th, while in command of Company E, 16th Infantry, during the illness of the company commander, 1st Sergeant Peter Kramer upon his own responsibility and in company with Privates Thomas Britton, Charles Hagan, Charles E. Probst and John C. Lucht, all of Company E, 16th Infantry, visited the barrio of Gasibarag, Isabela Province, and arrested and placed in confinement one, Alberto Bautista whom, from information he had himself received, Sergeant Kramer suspected with being connected with the insurrectos, and his suspicions were correct for the captive proved to be a captain in the insurgent army and he will be a valuable acquisition to our collection of captives. For their prompt and praiseworthy action in this matter, Sergeant Kramer and his companions have been highly commended by Major Gage, 49th Vols., Sub-District Commander at Tuguegarao.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;{{c|'''AN ELECTION ANNOUNCED.'''}}
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Orders in English, Spanish and Ilocano have been issued announcing that an election will be held in this district January 15, 1901, for the purpose of electing a Presidente, a Vice-Presidente and other municipal officers for the various municipalities and barrios in the district, as provided for in General Order 43, series of 1899, Department of the Pacific and Eighth Army Corps. The officers to be elected will hold office for a term of one year and during their term of office they will conduct the affairs of the municipalities they represent upon the same lines as promulgated in the above order which have been adopted and followed heretofore.
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right till you---till you came through that door. It was all
your doings--all!

{{asc|Amy}} Maybe it is that she is going right now--but it would er happened sooner or later---and you ''know'' it. I'll bet she's in there
now thanking the Lord, because she knows she's on the road to---

{{asc|Joe}} ''(Shouts)'' --To Hell---going with you.

''(Enter Mary, hat and coat on, carrying a valise)''

{{asc|Amy}} She don't have to go with me if she don' want to. All I wanted
was to see the cage door open and the sparrow fly out.---Yer
yapping at me---you don't understand what's it all about, do you?
Well, I'll give it to you so you ''do''. You been keepin' a sparrow
in a canary bird's cage. You can see now it could'nt be done.
Nature would'nt have it that way.

''(Joe is looking at Mary, body trembling, lips a-quiver).''

{{asc|mary}} ''(Goes over to Wan.)''--I'm an awfully sorry this had to happen, just when you was here.

{{asc|Wan.}} Perhaps it did'nt have to---

{{asc|Mary}} It did. It was only a matter of time.

{{asc|Wan.}} I'm afraid----

{{asc|Mary}} You need'nt be. I'll be all right.

''(She shakes hands with Wan.---Wan. looks at Joe, who is looking at Mary, despair and love in his eyes.)''

{{asc|Mary}} Good-bye, Mr Olson.

''(Wan. is still holding Mary's hand, but looking at Joe. He sighs and shakes his head sadly)''

{{asc|Wan.}} Too bad, too bad.

''(Mary withdraws her hand, pats Wan. gently on shoulder, turns, and goes to door)''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Ely}} Oh! You don' been have no--

{{asc|Wan.}} Father and Mother? yes. I had, and still have. They're home in Gothenborg.

{{asc|Ely}} Oh, Goteborg you come from! Ey come from Stockholm.

{{asc|Wan.}} When my uncle went back he settled in Stockholm.

{{asc|Ely}} Your uncle vent back! En he left you here all alone?

{{asc|Wan.}} I did'nt want to go back. You know, when a kid, fifteen years old sees a chance of being his own boss, especially in a great
country like this, why go back and do what Papa and Mama wants
him to do?

{{asc|Ely}} Oh! You vas a bad boy.

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(A soft sigh)'' Yes. I suppose I was; but I really did'nt expect to spend the rest of my life here. I thought---

{{asc|Ely}} Ey betcha you tought yoost like me. Ey vas gonna go back home too ven Ey get plenty money, en Ey could show off en Ey could bring
home lots o' nice presents for every body, den---

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Smiling)'' Then I suppose you got married---

You suppose! Six girls en von boy ain't no suppose. It's sure.
''(Wanderer laughs)''--You can laugh, but Ey can't. Believe me Ey got plenty worries-- en troubles--all kinds o' troubles.--En den Dr Peterson he say---You know Dr Peterson. He's good
doctor, only Ey don' ''understand''. Always he say: nobody gotta have troubles ven dey don' vanna.--He say you moost tink you don' got em.--Vell, vy should Ey tink lies! Ey knoe Ey ''have'' got 'em.

''(Wanderer laughs)''

{{asc|Nurse}} ''(Entering, to Ely)'' Doctor is ready to see you.
''
(Bell rings. Nurse exits by door leading to hall)''

{{asc|Ely}} ''(Rising)'' Ey should be glad if you would sometime come to see me.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Ely}} Oh! You don' been have no--

{{asc|Wan.}} Father and Mother? yes. I had, and still have. They're home in Gothenborg.

{{asc|Ely}} Oh, Goteborg you come from! Ey come from Stockholm.

{{asc|Wan.}} When my uncle went back he settled in Stockholm.

{{asc|Ely}} Your uncle vent back! En he left you here all alone?

{{asc|Wan.}} I did'nt want to go back. You know, when a kid, fifteen years old sees a chance of being his own boss, especially in a great
country like this, why go back and do what Papa and Mama wants
him to do?

{{asc|Ely}} Oh! You vas a bad boy.

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(A soft sigh)'' Yes. I suppose I was; but I really did'nt expect to spend the rest of my life here. I thought---

{{asc|Ely}} Ey betcha you tought yoost like me. Ey vas gonna go back home too ven Ey get plenty money, en Ey could show off en Ey could bring
home lots o' nice presents for every body, den---

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Smiling)'' Then I suppose you got married---

You suppose! Six girls en von boy ain't no suppose. It's sure.
''(Wanderer laughs)''--You can laugh, but Ey can't. Believe me Ey got plenty worries-- en troubles--all kinds o' troubles.--En den Dr Peterson he say---You know Dr Peterson. He's good
doctor, only Ey don' ''understand''. Always he say: nobody gotta have troubles ven dey don' vanna.--He say you moost tink you don' got em.--Vell, vy should Ey tink lies! Ey knoe Ey ''have'' got 'em.

''(Wanderer laughs)''

{{asc|Nurse}} ''(Entering, to Ely)'' Doctor is ready to see you.

''(Bell rings. Nurse exits by door leading to hall)''

{{asc|Ely}} ''(Rising)'' Ey should be glad if you would sometime come to see me.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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| colspan=2 {{ts|ac}} | {{asc|Busy days}}
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| Alexandre Dumas, ''fils''—A quarrel and a reconciliation—The partisans stir up more trouble—“L’Etrangère”—The grandmother of the sea—More sculpturing—A long search for a model—The missing hands and feet—Criticism of my group—Appeasing the god of the ''bourgeeois''—Luncheon with Victor Hugo—“Hernani”—The tear of Victor Hugo
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| colspan=2 {{ts|ac}} | {{asc|A balloon ascension}}
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| “The Young Girl and Death”—How my energetic versatility aroused indignation—I accept an invitation to go ballooning—A trip through the clouds—Dinner among the stars—The descent—Vachère—The journey back to Paris—A storm of criticism—I send in my resignation and then withdraw it—A trip to the south—A sale in the open—A ridiculous Othello—Mr. Jarrett, ''impresario''—I agree to do independent acting in London—More trouble with the Committee—The ''Times'' makes an announcement—The end of disputes
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| colspan=2 {{ts|ac}} | [[Memories of My Life/Chapter 21|CHAPTER XXI]]
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| Our ridiculous preparations for departure—“La Quenelle,” who adored me, and his life-preserver—A carpet of flowers—We find the Prince of Wales has departed—My welcome and the journalists—Visitors—Hortense Damian and her “''Chic'' commandments”—My shortcomings as a recipient of kindnesses—London hospitality—Rotten Row and the Avenue des Acacias—My first experience as a ''traqueuse''—Trying my voice—My fright—My début—What the critics thought of me
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| I overtax my strength—Outwitting the doctor—The effect of a dose of opium—A lapse of memory and the talk it caused—Dumas’s judgment of his own plays—I exhibit my statues—Mr. Gladstone and “Phedre”—The success of my exhibition—A jaunt to Liverpool&lt;includeonly&gt;—I&lt;/includeonly&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;{{nopt}}
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| Alexandre Dumas, ''fils''—A quarrel and a reconciliation—The partisans stir up more trouble—“L’Etrangère”—The grandmother of the sea—More sculpturing—A long search for a model—The missing hands and feet—Criticism of my group—Appeasing the god of the ''bourgeeois''—Luncheon with Victor Hugo—“Hernani”—The tear of Victor Hugo
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| “The Young Girl and Death”—How my energetic versatility aroused indignation—I accept an invitation to go ballooning—A trip through the clouds—Dinner among the stars—The descent—Vachère—The journey back to Paris—A storm of criticism—I send in my resignation and then withdraw it—A trip to the south—A sale in the open—A ridiculous Othello—Mr. Jarrett, ''impresario''—I agree to do independent acting in London—More trouble with the Committee—The ''Times'' makes an announcement—The end of disputes
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be looked upon as a foolish innovation. Men have learned
Latin for hundreds of years without any such book, and why
not now as well? But Ælfric's practical experience as a student and as a teacher taught him the wisdom of adapting
his work to the child's mind; he would answer his objectors,
but he would not be guided by them. 'Whence,' he says, 'are
to come wise teachers among God's people, unless they learn
in youth?' My book is for young children, not for grown people; I have written in simple language so as not to discourage them. Let any one think as he pleases of my translation, I am satisfied to put in practice the things which I learned in the school of Æthelwold my teacher, who instilled good into many minds.&lt;ref&gt;Compare with this what Ælfric says of Æthelwold as a teacher, p. 40.&lt;/ref&gt; The date of this work is about 995,
for according to his English preface it followed the second volume of the ''Catholic Homilies''.

It would be a satisfaction if we could know who were some of Ælfric's pupils in this school at Cernel. It was his interest in their progress that led him to write his ''Grammar'', and what he says in his prefaces leads us to think that there were
boys of noble promise in that school. There is one whom
we may without very rash conjecture believe to have been
among Ælfric's pupils at this time. Æthelnoth, the son of
Æthelmær, many years later than this was a monk, a dean of
Christ Church at Canterbury, and in 1020 Archbishop of
Canterbury. Thirty years earlier than 1020 he may have
been at Cernel in his father's monastery, near his father's
home. A glimpse into his character is afforded by the ''Saxon Chronicle'' of 1038, which records: &quot;This year died Æthelnoth, the good archbishop, and Bishop Æthelric in Sussex, who desired of God that he would not let him live long after his be loved father, Æthelnoth; and accordingly, within seven days, he departed.'

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heathenism may still have existed openly, and as, especially
since Edgar's time, the Scandinavians had found access to
the whole land, the old propensity of the Saxons and Angles
to the customs of their forefathers was fostered anew. Ælfric
included in his Saints' Lives a sermon on the false gods. In
this he identifies the Roman gods with those of the Scandinavians, but not with those of the heathen English. From
this we may conclude that the English themselves were now
quite free from coarse idolatry, and timt{{sic}} he feared for his
people on account of contact with the Danes. But various forms of magic were still practised among the English.
Against these he speaks in the ''Catholic Homilies'' (I. 366, 474,
476), and preaches a special sermon against thers{{sic}} in the ''Lives of the Saints''.&lt;ref&gt;''On Auguries''; ''Lives of the Saints'', I. 354–383.&lt;/ref&gt; Ælfric, in accordance with the custom of the
church, allowed various incantations, if only the Triune God
were invoked, and not an idol (''Hom''. I. 150, 218). He rejected the curse as wrong, but allowed that it had power
(''Hom''. II. 30-38).

A part of the old popular belief had passed over under
changed names into church belief: the veneration of Mary beside God the Father and the Son, had taken the place of that
of Friga beside Wodan and Thonar; and the veneration of
saints and of the cross, that of heroes and demi-gods and of
the tree. In respect to the invocation of Mary and of the
saints, Elfric held by the tradition of the church, but he did
not wish such eddress{{sic}} to be mistaken for worship.&lt;ref&gt;See ''Hom''. I. 374.&lt;/ref&gt; Of the
cross, he says, &quot;The sign of the cross is our blessing, and we
pray to the cross, yet not to the tree, hut to the Almighty One
who for us hung upon it, (''Hom''. II. 240).

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For poor ignorant people like myself pray insert the following, as perhaps some of your heraldic correspondents may afford some information for the benefit of your very humble servant. {{float right|F. E.}}


Newington, June 17. 1751. 

{{Center or HI|''To take an account of what Coats of Arms or other Paintings are in the windows of the House Mercer lives of Mr. Filmer.''}}

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Painted Glass in y' windows at Mr. Merser House is 
As foloweth 5 Coote of armse in 3 windowse in y' 
Kichen 2 Surkelor Coots of armse 6 Lians traveling 
6 flours of Luse all Rede &amp; a Holfe Surkel a top 
With 2 flours of luce y' Glass painted Rede 
Blew yoler &amp; of a Green Shaye. 

In y' Hall one ouel Pease of Painted Glass 
In Chakers of yoler &amp; Green &amp; blew 10 yong Hedge frougs 
Two Pikse of Armse on Each Side 
W. B. there was in this Rote on y' 
Gloss Lyfford but there is only now ''ford'' 
y' 3 fust Leters ar Broken &amp; Lost oute 
One Pees of y' Painted Glass in y' frount 
Chamber window as foloweth 
In a Surkel 6 flours of Luse 6 Red Lyans 
Traveling 4 Rede Roses 2 Purpul Roses 
With a Croune a tope with 2 flours of Luse &amp; 
A Crass and Beedse all Round y' Crowne 

In y' same window one more Cootse of arms 
In a Surkel Devidet is as foloweth 3 yoler 
Lyans ''passant''&lt;ref name=p207&gt;Corrections in the original.&lt;/ref&gt; Set in a Silver Coler 6 flours of Luse 
blew Sete in Green, y' Scoch Coote of arms on 
Each Side y' thisel &amp; Crown &amp; y' 3 floure coming out of the thistle 
y' Croun yoler &amp; y' flours y{{sup|e}} thisal of a silver Coler 
3 ''Leopards''&lt;ref name=p207 /&gt; Hedse Silver &amp; Set in Silver 
2 Roses of a purpul Couler one on Each Side 
2 Spred Eaguls one on Each Side 
&amp; 2 Wingse of a Goos in y' midel of y' arms 
of a Goold culer &amp; a vessel like a decanter between y{{sup|m}}
A croun a toupe with 2 flours of Luse on 
Each side of y{{sup|e}} Croun one Crass in y{{sup|e}} middel &amp; 2 holfe 
Grasses on Each Side with white Beadse 
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The singular error into which Messrs. Lye and Thorpe have fallen in the passage pointed out by Mr. Hampson in Ælfric's very interesting ''Colloquy,'' is the more remarkable as Ælfric himself afforded a complete illustration of the passage, in his ''Glossary,'' where we have &quot;{{sc|Bulga}}, ''hýdig-fæt.''&quot; It is possible, therefore, that ''higdifatu'' is a mere error of the scribe. Now Du Cange, v. ''Bulga'', cites this very passage from Ælfric's ''Glossary,'' and adds, &quot;i. e. ''vas ex corio confectum'',&quot; but his whole article is worth consulting. That the Latin word in the ''Colloquy'' should be ''Cassidilia'' is quite clear. Thus in an old MS. English Gloss on the Bible (penes me), the passage in Tobit, viii. 2., &quot;Protulit de ''Cassidili'' suo,&quot; is rendered, &quot;brouzt forth of his ''Scrippe.''&quot; Coverdale has it, &quot;take but of his ''bagge'',&quot; and Luther, &quot;langte aus seinem ''Säcklein'',&quot; which word is exchanged for ''büdel'' in the Saxon version. In two old Teutonic Glosses on the Bible published by Graff (''Diutiska'', ii. 178.), we have the following variations:—

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Another Gloss in Graff's 1st vol. p. 192., on the word ''Cadus,'' may perhaps throw some light on the subject. The philological student need not be reminded of the wide application of the words ''vas'', Lat., ''fazz'', O.G., and ''fæt'', A.S.; but, for my own part, I conclude that the shoewright intended to designate by ''higdifatu'' all sorts of ''leathern budgets.'' Every Anglo-Saxon student must be so sensible of the great obligation he is under to our distinguished scholar Mr. Thorpe, that I trust it will not be deemed invidious or ungracious to point out another passage in this ''Colloquy'' which seems to have hitherto baffled him, but which it appears to me may be elucidated. 

To the question, &quot;Hwilce fixas gefehst thu?&quot; the fisherman answers, &quot;Ælas aud hacodas, mynas, aud ælputan, sceotan aud lampredan, aud swa hwylce swa on wætere swymath, ''sprote.''&quot; 

Mr. Thorpe, in the 1st edition of his Analecta, says, &quot;What is intended to be meant by this word [''sprote''], as well as the ''salu'' [the correspondent word in the Latin], I am at a loss to conjecture.&quot; In his second edition, Mr. Thorpe repeats, &quot;I am unable to explain ''salu'' otherwise than by supposing it may be an error for ''salice.''&quot; In his ''Glossary'' he has &quot;spro′t, ii. 2.? sprout, rod?&quot; with a reference to his note. I must confess I cannot see how the substitution of ''salice'' for ''salu'' would make the passage more intelligible, and the explanation of ''spro′te'' in the ''Glossary'' does not help us. The sense required appears to me to be, ''quickly, swiftly'', and this will, I think, be found to be the meaning of ''sprote.'' In the Mœso-Gothic Gospels the word ''sprauto'' occurs several times, and always in the sense of ''cito, subito;'' and though we have hitherto, I believe, no other example in Anglo-Saxon of this adverbial use of the word, we are warranted, I think, in concluding, from the analogy of a cognate language, that it did exist. In regard to the evidently&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;Yet a few months, and the quiet village of Toddington, in Bedfordshire, witnessed a yet sadder funeral. Near that village stood an ancient and stately hall, the seat of the Wentworths. The transept of the parish church had long been their burial-place. To that burial-place, in the spring which followed the death of Monmouth, was borne the coffin of the young Baroness Wentworth of Nettlestead. Her family reared a sumptuous mausoleum over her remains; but a less costly memorial of her was long contemplated with far deeper interest: her name carved by the hand of him she loved too well, was, a few years ago, still discernible on a tree in the adjoining park. 
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In further proof of identity, Dr. Anster pointed out several charms and recipes which the manuscript volume contains. The conjurations are in general for the purpose of learning the results of sickness in any particular case, and of determining whether friends will be in certain circumstances faithful. There are also incantations for the use of several maladies, and one to make gray hair grow black. No &quot;charms against being wounded in battle,&quot; such as Sir John Reresby mentions, are to be found in the volume; but there are some prayers against violent death, which have the appearance of having been transcribed from some devotional book. There is evidently a mistake in supposing that this book contains any charm for breaking open prison doors, and it is likely that Sir John Reresby was misled in this way:—There is in page 7. a charm in French to procure repose of body and mind, and deliverance from pains; and the word for &quot;pains&quot; is written in a contracted form; it might as well stand for prisons; but, examining the context, it is plainly the former word which is meant. 

The rest of the entries consist of extracts from old recipe-books, mixed in the oddest way with abridgments of English history, and the most trifling memorandums, chiefly of a private and personal kind. Altogether, this commonplace work is highly indicative of the weakness, vanity, and superstition which stood forward so prominently in the character of the rash but unfortunate Duke of Monmouth. 

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{{c|{{asc|CATHERINE PEGGE.}}}}

Mr. Cunningham was mistaken in supposing that I had overlooked Catherine Pegge, for I was well aware that she could not have been Pepys's &quot;pretty Lady.&quot; She must, in fact, have attained her fortieth year, and there is no record of her being on the stage; whereas Margaret Hughes had, when Pepys saluted her, recently joined the Theatre Royal, and she is expressly styled &quot;Peg Hughes&quot; by Tom Browne, in one of his &quot;Letter from the Dead to the Living.&quot; Having disposed of this question, I am tempted to add that Moran does not confirm the statement that Catherine Pegge married Sir Edward Green, for he says that  

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This account of the Greene family is stated in a note to have been taken from a fine pedigree on vellum, penes T. Wotton, Gent. 

If Catherine Pegge was one of the three ladies mentioned above, she must have changed her name previously to her marriage, in hopes of concealing her former history; but the circumstance of the baronetcy being conferred upon Sir Edward is very suspicious. Probably some of your correspondents can settle the question. {{float right|{{sc|Braybrooke.}}}}
{{left|{{sm|Audley End, Jan. 19. 1850.}} }}

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{{c|{{asc|WILLIAM BASSE, AND HIS POEMS.}}}}

Can any of your readers inform me where a perfect or imperfect copy is to be found of a poem, of which I possess only a single half sheet, under the following title:—

&quot;''Great Brittaines Svnnes-set, bewailed with a Shower of Teares.'' By [[Author:William Basse|William Basse]], At Oxford, Printed by Ioseph Barnes. 1613&quot;? 

It is one of the many poems published on the death of Prince Henry; and although I have been in search of it, or of a fragment of it, for more than twenty years, I have never been able to obtain tidings of more than of that small portion in my possession; nor am I aware of the mention of it in any bibliographical authority. I have not at hand Sir H. Nicolas's edition of Walton's ''Angler'', in which Basse is spoken of, but I remember looking at that beautiful and costly work a long time ago, and, as far as I recollect, not finding in it anything to my purpose. I observe that a William Basse (or ''Bas'', as the name is there spelt) printed in 1602, 4to., a tract called ''Sword and Buckler, or Serving Man's Defence;'' but I know no more of it than that it was sold in Steevens's sale; and among the MSS. of the late Mr. Heber was a volume of poems called ''Polyhymnia,'' apparently prepared for the press, and dedicated by William Basse to Lady Lindsey, which contained an &quot;Elegie on a rare Singing Bull-finch,&quot; dated 19th June, 1648; so that he was still living nearly half a century after he had printed his earliest known performance. 

The production that Izaac Walton refers to must be the ballad preserved in the Pepys Collection at Cambridge, under the heading &quot;Maister&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Than wyll all the pratynge of holy wryt; 
For that except that the precher, hym selfe lyue well, 
His predycacyon wyll helpe neuer a dell, 
And I know well, that thy lyuynge is nought: 
''Thou art an apostata, yf it were well sought'', 
An homycyde thou art I know well inoughe,&quot; &amp;c.&lt;/poem&gt;

The line omitted is the more remarkable, because it contains an instance of the employment of a word very old in our language, and in use in the best periods of our prose and poetry: &quot;apostata&quot; is explained in the Promptorium, is found in Skelton and Heywood, and so down to the time of Massinger, who was especially fond of it. 

How many copies were issued of Smeeton's reprint of ''The Pardoner and the Frere'', I know not; but any of your readers, who chance to possess it, will do well to add the absent line in the margin, so that the mistake may be both rectified and recorded. I was not aware of Mr. Child's intention to re-publish the interlude in the United States, or I would long ago have sent him the correction, as indeed I did, a day or two after I received his volume. It was, nevertheless, somewhat ungracious to thank him for his book, and at the same time to point out an important error in it, for which, however, he was in no way responsible. {{float right|{{sc|[[Author:J. Payne Collier|J. Payne Collier]].}}}}
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{{c|{{asc|CATACOMBS AND BONE-HOUSES.}}}}

Without attempting to answer the queries of {{sc|Mr. Gatty}}, (No. 11. p. 171.) I venture to send a note on the subject. I believe it will generally be found that the local tradition makes such collections of bones to be &quot;the grisly gleanings of some battlefield.&quot; One of the most noteworthy collections of this kind that I have seen is contained in the crypt of Hythe Church, Kent, where a vast quantity of bones are piled up with great regularity, and preserved with much care. According to a written statement suspended in the crypt, they are the relics of Britons and Saxons slain in a battle fought on the beach in the sixth century; the local tradition is nearly to the same effect, but of course is of little value, as it has most likely arisen from or been conformed to this &quot;written chronicle;&quot; both writing and tradition must indeed be regarded with distrust. It is affirmed in the neighbourhood that the bones were ''dug up'' from the beach; but I, at least, could hear of no tradition as to the period when they were exhumed. Perhaps some resident will ascertain whether any such exists. 

The bones have all the appearance of considerable antiquity; yet they are in excellent preservation. The skulls are remarkably white and perfect, and are altogether a very curious collection, differing greatly in size, form, and thickness. The holes and fractures in many of them (made evidently during life) leave no doubt that they belonged to persons who met with a violent death. 

I will not pretend to reply to the concluding queries of your correspondent, but I would just remark that, from what we know of the feeling of our ancestors respecting the remains of the dead, it appears probable that if from any cause a large quantity of human bones were found, or were from any cause obliged to be disturbed, some ecclesiastic or pious layman would take measures to have them removed to some consecrated spot where they mightbe safe from further molestation. They would hardly be treated in any such manner as Dr. Mantell states the bones removed by the railway engineers from the Priory ground at Lewes were treated. I remain, sir, your very obedient servant, {{float right|J. T.}}
{{left|{{sm|Sydenham, Jan. 21. 1850.}}}}

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{{c|{{asc|LINES ATTRIBUTED TO HUDIBRAS.}}}}

Perhaps the following extract from a volume entitled ''The Relics of Literature,'' published by Boys and Co., Ludgate Hill, 1820, may prove interesting, as further illustrating the so frequently disputed passage which forms the subject matter of your first article in No. 12.:—

{{smaller block|&quot;Few popular quotations have more engaged the pens of critics than the following : 

{{block center|&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm|'}}For he that fights and runs away
Will live to fight another day.'&lt;/poem&gt;}}

These lines are almost universally supposed to form a part of ''Hudibras;'' and, so confident have even scholars been on the subject, that in 1784 a wager was made at Bootle's, of twenty to one, that they were to be found in that inimitable poem. Dodsley was referred to as the arbitrator, when he ridiculed the idea of consulting him on the subject, saying, 'Every fool knows they are in ''Hudihras''.' George Selwyn, who was present, said to Dodsley, 'Pray, sir, will you be good enough, then, to inform an old fool, who is at the same time your wise worship's very humble servant, in what canto they are to be found?' Dodsley took down the volume, but he could not find the passage; the next day came, with no better success; and the sage bibliopole was obliged to confess, 'that a man might be ignorant of the author of this well-known couplet without being absolutely a fool.&quot;}}

I have also the following memorandum in a common-place book of mine, but I do not remember from what source I transcribed it many years past:—

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While on the subject of quotations, let me ask whether any of your correspondents can tell me where the passage, &quot;Providence tempers the wind to the shorn lamb,&quot; is to be found? 

Among a few of the many floating quotable passages universally known, without any trace of the authors, among general readers and writers, are the following:—

{{block center|{{smaller block|&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}When wild in woods the noble savage ran.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;
{{right|{{sc|Dryden}}'s ''Conquest of Grenada.''}}

&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}And whistled as he went for want of thought.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;
{{right|{{sc|Dryden}}'s ''Cymon and Iphigenia.''}}

&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}Great wits are sure to madness near allied, 
And thin partitions do their bounds divide.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;
{{right|{{sc|Dryden}}'s ''Absalom, and Achitophel,'' st. i. l. 163.}}

{{fqm}}The tenth transmitter of a foolish face.&quot;—{{sc|Savage.}}

&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}When Greek meets Greek then comes the tug of war.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;
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The real line in Lee is—

{{block center|{{smaller block|&quot;When Greeks join Greeks then was the tug of war.&quot; 
{{right|{{sc|Lee}}'s ''Alexander the Great.''}}}}}}

{{right|{{sc|[[Author:J. W. G. Gutch|J. W. G. Gutch]].}}}}

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I wish to ask a few questions, referring to these lines, if you do not think the subject already exhausted by Mr. rimbault's curious and interesting communication. 

1. Does not the ''entire'' quotation run somewhat thus:—

{{block center|{{smaller block|&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}For he that fights and runs away 
May live to fight another day; 
But he that is in battel slain 
Can never hope to fight again&quot;?&lt;/poem&gt;}}}}

2. Are the two last lines in the ''Musarum Deliciæ?''

3. May not the idea suggesting the two first lines be traced to some passage in one of the orations of ''Demosthenes,'' and, {{asc|PAST}} him, to the &quot;{{polytonic|ἁνηρ ὁ φεύγων καὶ πάλιν μαχήσεται}}&quot; of some co-temporary, if not still older writer? 

4. Whose ''Apothegms'' [qy., those of Demosthenes?] are under consideration on folio 239., from which Mr. Rimbault quotes? 

Queries 1. 2. 3. have long stood ''in MS.'' in my note-book, and I should much like to see them in ''print'', while the subject to which they refer is still fresh in the minds of your readers. {{float right|{{sc|Melanion.}}}}

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The lines—

{{block center|{{smaller block|&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}For he that fights and runs away 
May live to fight another day,&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;}}}}

renemble the following quatrain in the ''Satyre Menippée,'' being one of several verses appended to the tapestry on which was wrought the battle of Seulis:—

{{block center|{{smaller block|&lt;poem&gt;{{fqm}}Souvent celuy qui demeure 
Kst cause de son meschef; 
Celuy qui fuit de bonne heure 
Peut combattre de rechef.&quot;&lt;/poem&gt;}}}}
{{right|A. J. H.}}

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{{c|{{asc|NOTES FROM FLY-LEAVES, NO. 5.}}}}

In the library of St. John's College are some hundreds of volumes bequeathed to it by [[Author:Thomas Baker|Thomas Baker]]; most of these have little notices on the fly-leaves, some thirty or forty of which seem worth printing. One (Strype's Life of Parker) has marginal notes throughout the book, the value of which will be duly appreciated by those who have read Baker's notes on Burnet's ''Reformation.'' (See the ''British Magazine'' for last year.) 

Hereafter, if you do not object, I hope to send larger extracts from Baker's MSS.; at present I confine myself to a single specimen, taken from the fly-leaf of a copy of Noy's ''Cowpleat Lawyer,'' London, 1665. (St. John's Library, Class mark, I. 10. 49.) 

{{smaller block|&quot;Gul. Noye de S. Buriens. Com. Cornub. Armig. unus Magistrorum de Banco fieri fecit, 1626. On a window in Lincoln Inn's Chapell, Sue Stow's ''Survey'', &amp;c. vol. ii. lib. ii. p. 73. 

&quot;This book has a former edition, London, 1661; but not so fair a print, and without the Author's Life. 

&quot;See Fuller's ''Worthies in Cornwall'', p. 200. 

&quot;See Mr. Gerrard's Letter to Lord Stratford, dated Jan. 3. 1634. ''Mr. Noy continues ill, &amp; is retired to his 
house at Brentford; I saw him, much fallen away in his Face &amp; Body, but as yellow as Gold—with the Jaundice—his bloody waters continue w{{sup|ch}} drain his Body.''

&quot;See Lloyd's ''State Worthies,'' p. 892, 893. &amp;c. 

&quot; Aug. 9. [1634] W{{sup|m}} Noy Esq the King's Attorney died at Brainford.—M{{sup|r}} Ric. Smith's Obituary. 

&quot;See W{{sup|m}} Noy's Will (very remarkable) MS. vol. xxx. p. 309. 

&quot;16. Dec. 1631. Conc. Ornatissimo viro Gulielmo Noye, ut sit de Consilio Universitatis—et annuatim 40{{sup|sh}} recipiat, &amp;c.—Regr. Acad. Cant. 

&quot;See Howell's Letters, sect. 6. pp. 30, 31. 

&quot;Rex 27. Octobr. 1632 constituit Willielmum Noye Arm. Attornatum suum Generalem, durante beneplacito.—Rymer, tom. 19. p. 347. 

&quot;See his (W. N.) will, very pious except the last clause, w{{sup|ch}} is next to impious, vol. xxxvi. MS. p. 379. 

&quot;Young Noy, the dissipanding Noy, is kill'd in France in a Dtiell, by a Brother of S{{sup|r}} John Biron; so now the younger Brother is Heir and Ward to the King.—A Letter to Lord Deputy Wentworth, vol. ii. p. 2. dat. Apr. 5. 1636.&quot;}}

It may be as well to add, that the references to vols. xxx. and xxxvi. of MS. are to two different copies of the will in two volumes of Baker's MSS., in the University library. The word &quot;dissipanding,&quot; in the first quotation, doubtless is an allusion&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I cannot, from my inner world
::Of tossing, billowy thought,
Bring to you shining pearls, or gems
::Elaborately wrought,
Or hope to find 'mid work and care
A store of hidden diamonds rare:}}

And yet,—

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&quot;If any thought of mine, or sung or told,
Has ever given delight or consolation,
Ye have repaid me back a thousand fold,
By every friendly sign or salutation.

&quot;Therefore I hope, as no unwelcome guest,
At your warm fireside, when the lamps are lighted,
To have my place reserved among the rest,
Nor stand as one unsought or uninvited.&quot;
&gt;&gt;H. N. J.}}

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The telegram came to the agency on Friday morning.

I wasn't in San Francisco that morning. I was up in Martinez dickering with a divorced wife of Phil Leach, alias a lot of names. We wanted him for spreading reams of orphan paper through the Northwest, and we wanted him badly. This ex-wife—a sweet-looking little blonde telephone operator—had a fairly recent photograph of Phil, and was willing to sell it.

“He never thought enough of me to risk passing any bum checks so I could have things,&quot; she complained. “I had to bring in my own share of the nut. So why shouldn't I make something out of him now, when I guess some tramp's getting plenty? Now how much will you give for it?”

She had an exaggerated idea of how much the photograph was worth to us, of course, but I finally made the deal with her. But it was after six when I returned to the city, too late for a train that would put me in&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The telegram came to the agency on Friday morning.

I wasn't in San Francisco that morning. I was up in Martinez dickering with a divorced wife of Phil Leach, alias a lot of names. We wanted him for spreading reams of orphan paper through the Northwest, and we wanted him badly. This ex-wife—a sweet-looking little blonde telephone operator—had a fairly recent photograph of Phil, and was willing to sell it.

“He never thought enough of me to risk passing any bum checks so I could have things,&quot; she complained. “I had to bring in my own share of the nut. So why shouldn't I make something out of him now, when I guess some tramp's getting plenty? Now how much will you give for it?”

She had an exaggerated idea of how much the photograph was worth to us, of course, but I finally made the deal with her. But it was after six when I returned to the city, too late for a train that would put me in&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Quesada was a one-hotel town pasted on the rocky side of a young mountain that sloped into the Pacific Ocean some eighty miles from San Francisco. Quesada’s beach was too abrupt and hard and jagged for bathing, so Quesada had never got much summer-resort money. For a while it had been a hustling rum-running port, but that racket was dead now: bootleggers had learned there was more profit and less worry in handling domestic hooch than imported. Quesada had gone back to sleep.

I got there at eleven-something that night, garaged my car, and crossed the street to the Sunset Hotel. It was a low, sprawled-out, yellow building. The night clerk was alone in the lobby, a small effeminate man well past sixty who went to a lot of trouble to show me that his fingernails were rosy and shiny.

When he had read my name on the register he gave me a sealed envelope—hotel stationery—addressed to me in Eric Collinson’s handwriting. I tore it open and read:

{{bc|width=12em|''Do not leave the hotel until I have seen you.''{{right|''E.C.''|offset=2em}}}}

“How long has this been here?” I asked.

“Since about eight o’clock. Mr. Carter waited for you
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in from the railroad.”

“He isn’t staying here?”
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Collinson wasn’t the sort of person to whose instructions I’d pay a whole lot of attention. I asked:

“How do you get there?”

“You'd never be able to find it at night,” the clerk assured me, “unless you went all the way around by the East road, and not then, I’m sure, unless you knew the country.” 

“Yeah? How do you get there in the daytime?”

“You go down this street to the end, take the fork of the road on the ocean side, and follow that up along the cliff. It isn’t really a road, more of a path. It’s about three miles to the house, a brown house, shingled all over, on a little hill. It’s easily enough found in the daytime if you remember to keep to the right, to the ocean side, all the way down. But you’d never, never in the world, be able to find—”

“Thanks,” I said, not wanting to hear the story all over again.

He led me up to a room, promised to call me at five, and I was asleep by midnight.

The morning was dull, ugly, foggy, and cold when I climbed out of bed to say, “All right, thanks,” into the phone. It hadn’t improved much by the time I had got dressed and gone downstairs. The clerk said there was not a chance in the world of getting anything to eat in Quesada before seven o’clock.

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Rounding a corner where the cliff was steepest—was, in fact, for a hundred yards or so, straight up and down—I stopped to look at a small ragged hole in the path's outer rim. The hole was perhaps six inches across, with fresh loose earth piled in a little semicircular mound on one side, scattered on the other. It wasn't
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There was no uprooted bush in sight. I chucked my cigarette away and got down on hands and knees, putting my head out over the path's rim, looking down. I saw the bush twenty feet below. It was perched on the top of a stunted tree that grew almost parallel to the cliff, fresh brown earth sticking to the bush's roots. The next thing that caught my eye was also brown—a soft
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I went down the cliff, though not at that point. It was a lot too steep there to be tackled by a middle-aged fat man. A couple of hundred yards back, the path had crossed a crooked ravine that creased the cliff diagonally from top to bottom. I returned to the ravine and went down it, stumbling, sliding, sweating and swearing, but reaching the bottom all in one piece, with nothing more serious the matter with me than torn fingers, dirty clothes, and ruined shoes.

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It was Eric Collinson's body. Bones showed through flesh and clothing on his shattered back. The back of his head—that half of it—was crushed. I dragged him out of the water and put him down on dry rocks. His dripping pockets contained a hundred and fifty-four dollars and eighty-two cents, a watch, a knife, a gold&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I left him there and went back to the ravine, panting and heaving myself up it to the cliff path, returning to where the bush had grown. I didn’t find anything there in the way of significant marks, footprints, or the like. The path was chiefly hard rock. I went on along it. Presently the cliff began to bend away from the ocean, lowering the path along its side. After another half-mile there was no cliff at all, merely a bush-grown ridge at whose foot the path ran. There was no sun yet. My pants stuck disagreeably to my chilly legs. Water {{SIC|squunched|squinched}} in my torn shoes. I hadn’t had any breakfast. My cigarettes had got wet. My left knee ached from a twist it had got sliding down the ravine. I cursed the detective business and slopped on along the path.

The path took me away from the sea for a while, across the neck of a wooded point that pushed the ocean back, down into a small valley, up the side of a low hill; and then I saw the house the night clerk had described.

It was a rather large two-story building, roof and walls brown-shingled, set on a hump in the ground close to where the ocean came in to take a quarter-mile u-shaped bite out of the coast. The house faced the water. I was behind it. There was nobody in sight. The ground-floor windows were closed, with drawn blinds. The sec-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I went around to the front of the house. Wicker chairs and a table were on the screened front porch. The screened porch-door was hooked on the inside. I rattled it noisily. I rattled it off and on for at least five minutes, and got no response. I went around to the rear again, and knocked on the back door. My knocking knuckles pushed the door open half a foot. Inside was a dark kitchen and silence. I opened the door wider, knocking on it again, loudly. More silence.

I called: “Mrs. Collinson.”

When no answer came I went through the kitchen and a darker dining room, found a flight of stairs, climbed them, and began poking my head into rooms.

There was nobody in the house.

In one bedroom, a .38 automatic pistol lay in the center of the floor. There was an empty shell close to it, another under a chair across the room, and a faint odor of burnt gunpowder in the air. In one corner of the ceiling was a hole that a .38 bullet could have made, and, under it on the floor, a few crumbs of plaster. The bed-clothes were smooth and undisturbed. Clothes in the closet, things on and in table and bureau, told me this was Eric Collinson’s bedroom.

Next to it, according to the same sort of evidence, was Gabrielle’s bedroom. Her bed had not been slept in, or had been made since being slept in. On the floor of her closet I found a black satin dress, a once-white handkerchief, and a pair of black suede slippers, all wet and muddy—the handkerchief also wet with blood. In her bathroom—in the tub—were a bath-towel and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I went back to Quesada, changed my shoes and socks, got breakfast and a supply of dry cigarettes, and asked the clerk—a dapper boy, this one—who was responsible for law and order there.

“The marshal’s Dick Cotton,” he told me; “but he went up to the city last night. Ben Rolly’s deputy sheriff. You can likely find over him at his old man’s office.”

“Where’s that?”

“Next door to the garage.”

I found it, a one-story red brick building with wide glass windows labeled ''J. King Rolly, Real Estate, Mortgages, Loans, Stocks and Bonds, Insurance, Notes, Employment Agency, Notary Public, Moving and Storage,'' and a lot more that I’ve forgotten.

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“I’m hunting,” I said, “for the deputy sheriff.”

“Me,” the younger man said, easing his feet from desk to floor. He didn’t get up. Instead, he put a foot out, hooked a chair by its rounds, pulled it from the wall, and returned his feet to the desk-top. “Set down. This is Pa,” wiggling a thumb at the other man. “You don’t have to mind him.”
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“The fellow honeymooning down to the Tooker place? I didn’t know his front name was Eric.”

“Eric Carter,” the elder Rolly said; “that’s the way I made out the rent receipt for him.”

“He’s dead,” I told them. “He fell off the cliff road last night or this morning. It could have been an accident.”

The father looked at the son with round tan eyes. The son looked at me with questioning tan eyes and said: “Tch, tch, tch.”

I gave him a card. He read it carefully, turning it over to see that there was nothing on its back, and passed it to his father.

“Go down and take a look at him?” I suggested.

“I guess I ought to,” the deputy sheriff agreed, getting up from his chair. He was a larger man than I had supposed—as big as the dead Collinson boy—and, in spite of his slouchiness, he had a nicely muscled body.

I followed him out to a dusty car in front of the office. Rolly senior didn’t go with us.

“Somebody told you about it?” the deputy sheriff asked when we were riding.

“I stumbled on him. Know who the Carters are?”

“Somebody special?”

“You heard about the Riese murder in the San Francisco temple?”

“Uh-huh, I read the papers.”

“Mrs. Carter was the Gabrielle Leggett mixed up in that, and Carter was the Eric Collinson.”

“Tch, tch, tch,” he said.
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“Tch, tch, tch,” he said. “What’s the matter with them?”

“A family curse.”

“Sure enough?”

I didn’t know how seriously he meant that question, though he seemed serious enough. I hadn’t got him sized up yet. However, clown or not, he was the deputy sheriff stationed at Quesada, and this was his party. He was entitled to the facts. I gave them to him as we bounced over the lumpy road, gave him all I had, from Paris in 1913 to the cliff road a couple of hours ago.

“When they came back from being married in Reno, Collinson dropped in to see me. They had to stick around for the Haldorn bunch’s trial, and he wanted a quiet place to take the girl: she was still in a daze. You know Owen Fitzstephan?”

“The writer fellow that was down here a while last year? Uh-huh.”

“Well, he suggested this place.”

“I know. The old man mentioned it. But what'd they take them aliases for?”

“To dodge publicity, and, partly, to try to dodge something like this.”

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“You mean they expected something like this?”

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Rolly nodded three or four times, then asked:

“What makes you think he didn’t fall off the cliff?”

“He sent for me. Something was wrong. Outside of that, too many things have happened around his wife for me to believe in accidents.”

“There’s the curse, though,” he said.

“Yeah,” I agreed, studying his indefinite face, still trying to figure him out. “But the trouble with it is it’s worked out too well, too regularly. It’s the first one I ever ran across that did.”

He frowned over my opinion for a couple of minutes, and then stopped the car. “We'll have to get out here: the road ain’t so good the rest of the way.” None of it had been. “Still and all, you do hear of them working out. There’s things that happen that makes a fellow think there’s things in the world—in life—that he don’t know much about.” He frowned again as we set off afoot, and found a word he liked. “It’s inscrutable,” he wound up.

I let that go at that.

He went ahead up the cliff path, stopping of his own accord where the bush had been torn up, a detail I hadn’t mentioned. I didn’t say anything while he stared down at Collinson’s body, looked searchingly up and down the face of the cliff, and then went up and down the path, bent far over, his tan eyes intent on the ground.

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I started back toward the ravine, but he said there was a better way ahead. There was. We went down it to the dead man.

Rolly looked from the corpse to the edge of the path high above us, and complained: “I don’t hardly see how he could have landed just thataway.”

“He didn’t. I pulled him out of the water,” I said, showing the deputy exactly where I had found the body.

“That would be more like it,” he decided.

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In the Hotel National where Anna had taken up residence, many of the young Polish immigrants had made their
home. Here they shared their common dreams, hopes and
miseries. It was Soma who had introduced her to that circle.
A tall thin youth from Warsaw with small burning eyes that
seemed to be in perpetual fever.

This Sunday morning he was in the grip of a strange
dream: trying to select a suitable tie, but failed in his
efforts. Somehow his hands were powerless, the colors all
mixed up, and deep inside him, like an alarm clock, a voice
kept repeating, &quot;hurry up, hurry up, it is late for work.&quot;

The sleeping man forced his eyes open, looked at the clock
near the window, and then yawned with relief. &quot;A silly
dream,&quot; he thought.

He put his head snugly down on the pillow and once again
plunged into his dream of ties. This time it is a hot summer
day. The ties glitter in all colors of the rainbow. Anna is
there, helping him to make a choice. She does not like the
red one he has chosen, &quot;The color loud&quot; &quot;the knot is too tight,&quot; she says; she prefers the loosely tied cravats- &quot;''à la Montparnasse.''&quot; He can feel her fingers knotting the tie. How
pleasant to have her so close to him, to feel her warm breath.
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 | notes      = First published in 1762, this transcription is of the first edition. Falconer subsequently 'improved' and enlarged the poem through several editions prior to his death in 1769.
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*[[/Advertisement|Advertisement]]
*[[/The Shipwreck|The Shipwreck]]
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{{sc|President Kaempf}} presides.

For discussion: First reading of the Budget in connection with the taxation bill.

{{sc|President Kaempf:}} In accordance with an understanding between the representatives of the different parties in the Reichstag the submarine warfare will be excluded from this discussion until further decisions of the ''Seniorenconvent.'' (Committee composed of the Party Leaders to discuss the business of the Reichstag before it is discussed in open session. S. Z.) The discussion of this question will take place in the meetings of the Budget Committee in the first days of next week.

{{sc|Member Dr. K. Liebknecht}} (not belonging to any party in the Reichstag, questions the order of business): I consider it my duty to dispute the decision (laughter). This is a question which concerns most vitally the present public interests. Everything is done under cover and we are brought to discuss only accomplished facts. (Great commotion and shouts so that the following words of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{di|W}}{{sc|e}} climbed to the path again and went on to the Collinsons’ house. I showed Rolly the stained towels, handkerchief, dress, and slippers; the paper that had held morphine; the gun on Collinson’s floor, the hole in the ceiling, and the empty shells on the floor.

“That shell under the chair is where it was,” I said; “but the other—the one in the corner—was here, close to the gun, when I saw it before.”

“You mean it’s been moved since you were here?”

“Yeah.”

“But what good would that do anybody?” he objected.

“None that I know of, but it’s been moved.”

He had lost interest. He was looking at the ceiling. He said:

“Two shots and one hole. I wonder. Maybe the other went out the window.”

He went back to Gabrielle Collinson’s bedroom and examined the black velvet gown. There were some torn places in it—down near the bottom—but no bullet-holes. He put the dress down and picked up the morphine paper from the dressing table.

“What do you suppose this is doing here?” he asked. 

“She uses it. It’s one of the things her step-mother taught her.”
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{{di|S}}{{sc|heriff Feeney}}, fat, florid, and with a lot of brown mustache, and district attorney Vernon, sharp-featured, aggressive, and hungry for fame, came over from the county seat. They listened to our stories, looked the ground over, and agreed with Rolly that Gabrielle Collinson had killed her husband. When Marshal Dick Cotton—a pompous, unintelligent man in his forties—returned from San Francisco, he added his vote to the others. The coroner and his jury came to the same opinion, though officially they limited themselves to the usual “person or persons unknown,” with recommendations involving the girl.

The time of Collinson’s death was placed between eight and nine o’clock Friday night. No marks not apparently caused by his fall had been found on him. The pistol found in his room had been identified as his. No fingerprints were on it. I had an idea that some of the county officials half suspected me of having seen to that, though nobody said anything of that sort. Mary Nunez stuck to her story of being kept home by chills. She had a flock of Mexican witnesses to back it up. I couldn’t find any to knock holes in it. We found no further trace of the man Whidden had seen. I tried
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“Pran, Daughter-of-Ndrek, you have done well. To-day you have done good service to your mountain land. The knowledge you have brought will save more lives than there are leaves on that young tree behind you. Besides, if all goes well, as it must go since we prepare in time, you save your people from defeat, from vanquishment, from tyranny and death. For once these Slavs gain foothold they take root. And you have heard what justice is with them. Hoti and Gruda know from years of sorrow. Castrati does not want to know. And if Castrati goes under the Slavic heel, who shall save Skodra, and our mountain villages east and south? Our men stand now at the door of Albania—the door to her very heart. We hold the key—as yet. To-day, had you not listened bravely and so well, we might have lost that key, and losing that we should have lost the power to hold the door. ''Which'' now we ''shall'' hold—glory to your ears!” The chief’s eyes flashed, then softened. “Take word from me to the man, Ndrek. Tell him that he is father to as brave and true a heart as ever beat in all the Eagle’s Land. God in his goodness bless and protect you, always, Pran of Thethi. I, Marash Vata, Chief of all Castrati, in my tribe’s name and in the name of all the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Pran bowed her head, her heart too full for speech. The chief called a young runner. “Take this girl to where the safe trail lies to the east. She is for Skodra.”

“Smooth peace upon you,” answered Pran and followed the guide away.

Already as she went word flew from one group of waiting men to the next. She could see the ragged marching lines starting away in wandering irregular formation, going steadily toward the two danger spots.

Would they be in time? And if they were, could they repulse the Slavs? How could she go, not knowing? Such a fight as this might turn the fortune of the war itself. Had not the chief implied as much in talking with her? She would not go back—not till she knew the outcome. And she would wait now and see Ndrek and say good-bye once more. She called the guide. “I’ll go no farther. You can leave me here.” He went away. Pran climbed a little knoll on the clear way the men must pass going north. Here she would wait.

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She watched the straight, tall figures trooping by. She scanned the ranks for Ndrek. There he was—at last!

He saw her, stepped aside. “You have not gone?”

“I lost my way close to the enemy lines. I heard men talk of this attack that you go now to stop. I told the chief, Marash Vata.”

“You!” said Ndrek.

But Pran had no reply for the look of wonder and dawning pride that filled his eyes. Only she thought of him and how he went now to the battle she had sent him to.

Doubt swept her soul again. “I meant to do right, Ndrek.”

“You did right, Pran.”

“Good-bye, my father.”

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He left her then to follow after the rest.

Still the men came, but there were fewer now. Soon they would all go and leave her here to wait alone. She sat cross-legged on the little hill unseen by those that passed. At length no more came by. She was alone.

Here she would wait, wait until she could learn whether Albania had kept the door—whether Ndrek would come safe through this danger and violence she had sent him to. She did not eat. She did not think of food. She sat there in the soft grass and leaned her head against a little tree. A long, long time she sat this way, unmoving.

The sun had passed noon when the rifles started. She could hear their crackling easily from here. Words of an old song came to her, a song some of the refugees had sung by the barrack fires at night.

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Suddenly her heart rose in her throat to choke her. Tears started back of her eyes. What if Ndrek should stop one of those singing things? What if her bear’s-tooth talisman should not avail to save him at the last?

Sitting there alone in the green world of leaves and grass Pran listened despairingly, dropping her head down on her raised arms, and then, as the sound rose to a loud roaring, she raised two hands and stopped her ears with them—clenched fists to keep out the sound of this flying cruelty and death—so far away from her and yet so near to every one of those she had seen go by—and to Ndrek—Ndrek—Ndrek!

Hours she sat so, motionless—thinking no thoughts, feeling within her heart a surge of dread, a hatred of this violent thing safety seemed built on, laws seemed bastioned with—and men must die of. This they had fled from, she and the boys and Lukja, and all Thethi, moving sadly from cold hearths. This they had sent their men to dauntlessly. “For liberty let me die!” the song had said.
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“No, Notz,” Pran answered, “but{{longdash}}”

He interrupted her. “Take it now, Pran. Give it to Lukja. She can buy chickens from a village where the soldiers have not been. Then there will be eggs and some meat for all of us before the harvest comes.”

Pran carried it to Lukja joyfully. That summer the chickens bought with Notz’s secret hoard did much to help Lukja feed her hungry brood. Meanwhile an early spring had made planting early, and a plentiful harvest saved them all from real starvation.

By fall, life was settled somewhat into its old channels. The girls spun and wove and helped Lukja cook&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Ndrek went to far villages, where animals were plentiful, and traded some of his corn for goats and sheep. He was eager to build up his herds again, and wool was needed, with so many now to clothe. He traveled long distances, his rifle on his back and round his waist his belt of cartridges.

Lukja said to Pran, “Of course he takes his gun, being a man. But truth is he has little need to use it now. He travels safer than he ever has.”

“Why?” asked Pran.

“The war last year, as evil as it was, brought good along with it!” said Lukja. “The bessa that the tribes made when the Slavs came in has been renewed. They keep the truce still. So long as this is&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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So Ndrek went along trails where even a year ago his life or that of any man of Shala tribe would not have been safe for the distance of ten steps. Thinking of this Pran felt a thankfulness.

“The wound the war made bleeds no more,” she said to Dil that night as they lay under their blanket together. “The herd grows; the corn is gathered; even Ndrek lives safer than before. Now you shall know Thethi life at its best.”

“Time is the best medicine,” answered Dil. “It is already autumn. To-day the leaves began falling. And last week when I was in Skodra I saw three brides in bridal clothing walking through the street. It is the wedding season.”

Pran laughed softly, for in the darkness about them all the rest slept. She whispered, “We shall have to find a husband some day for you, Dil. Then you will no longer live in exile but have a home of your own. You will like that.”

“There is time for all things,” said Dil, “and I do not want to leave Lukja so soon. I have done little to repay her and Ndrek for all they have done and still&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“Not I,” said Pran. “Lukja was not betrothed till late herself and wished it not for me. I know some girls are promised from the day that they are born, or even before birth, but I was not. I am not sorry. I love my own home and do not wish to wed myself too early. I should think it hard—a sad thing even—to go to a strange house and wed a man unseen by me before, a stranger really. I have always wanted the years to pass less swiftly toward the marriage time; for it must come—to all of us.”

“Some women do not marry,” Dil replied. “They turn morgeshe—nuns. You’ve seen the mountain nuns?”

“Once I saw one,” said Pran. “The man she had been betrothed to died, and she took the virgin’s vow and did not change it. She wore men’s clothing, even bore a rifle, and cut her hair.”

“One can choose such a life,” said Dil. “There was such a one in Prifti, I remember. Her betrothed had not died; she only chose never to marry. One has that right, of course. Myself, I would not take a vow like that. Better a home and children.” Dil yawned. “We talk too long, Pran. It is already the third hour&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“Good-night, Dil,” answered Pran. “Sleep easily.”

She herself turned to sleep but could not. Dil’s words had roused her to thinking. Yes, she was older now. Many a girl her age would marry this very season. She knew that. What if some day Lukja should call her to her and tell her of betrothal plans and the marriage day? Her heart beat faster a little. “I am not old enough,” she told herself, “and Lukja needs me. Her back is not so strong as it once was to bring in wood and water. She will not send me off to a husband early.”

She turned restlessly, hearing Dil’s steady breathing at her side. “Some day, perhaps, some day. Not yet.”

She drowsed. Half dreams passed through her head. She seemed to see again, as she often had since the war, the dark cave where she had listened to the spies talking. Again she saw the men go bravely out—return again, ragged, victorious. Their faces crowded past her dreaming mind. One face stood clearly out—a voice called—Nush’s face. Nush, wounded! Pran started, suddenly awake. She sat up, open eyed, staring into the thick dark, lit only by the tiny glow of coals on the banked hearth. 
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      <text bytes="1356" sha1="k1w6r4nhzb0wg7dz6qj240glhbo9nn4" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;4&quot; user=&quot;SurprisedMewtwoFace&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|184|CHAPTERNAME|PRAN OF ALBANIA}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Where was Nush now? Had he got well of his hurt and gone to that far village where he lived, mysteriously, in a house not his own? “I must see Nush,” she said to herself, “I must see him. Why, I have never told him what his necklace did for me and how the charm saved Ndrek; and I have not talked with him—of anything. I wonder where he is. I have not met him yet on any trail. Perhaps—the twins{{longdash}}” Why had she not thought of them? It was with them that she had first seen Nush. To-morrow she would ask them. They went far with the flocks. She’d talk to Gjon. Besides, the bessa held still. Likely enough Nush could go freely now, live openly. Certain it was he had dressed like a Maltsor that day of the border fight. She’d ask Gjon. And if Gjon could not help, she herself would make inquiries when she went to the bazaar. “But”—her heart misgave her—“I do not even know his father’s name nor where he lives. There are a thousand Nushes in these hills.” She gave a little rueful laugh in the stillness of the dark room.

She lay down and pulled the blanket round her. But an evil thought seized her: “What if Nush had died?” Some wounds got poisonous and killed a man. She shuddered. Yes, she must ask Gjon to-morrow. She felt Dil’s body near her. Why not tell Dil? She&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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When the morning came she went down the stairs with Nik and Gjon and followed them outside. “Gjon,” she said, “you remember the big boy, Nush, who saved Nik’s life when we went honey-hunting long ago? Since we came back to Thethi have you ever met him or seen him passing on the trail when you were out?”

At first both boys looked blank, and then Nik turned away, his eyes avoiding hers. Gjon reddened; then, shamefaced, as if remembering, he said, “Pran, I should have told you. Last week Nik saw that boy in the bazaar. He dresses as a man now—wears a gun. I meant to tell you of it. Nik told me, for Nush gave him a message for you.”

Pran’s heart beat fast. A message! And Nik had seen him! “Nik!” she called. Nik turned unwillingly. “Cha don? What do you want?” he asked.

“Gjon says you met with Nush in the bazaar—and that he sent me words by you. What were they? And&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Nik stood before her, silent. Then his eyes twisted away from hers. He dug a shamed toe into the earth and spoke low, reluctantly: “Yes, I did see him. I told Gjon, and I meant to tell you too, but I forgot.” He stopped.

Pran spoke impatiently: “For heaven’s sake, Nik, tell me what he said. Don’t stand there like a silly—dumb as a rock.”

Nik went on, still unwillingly. “It was last week—Wednesday—that I saw him. He—he said to tell you to meet him in three days—at the same tree where we had found the honey long ago. He said to be there early—he would wait.”

“Oh—Nik!” Pran hardly could keep back tears of exasperation, disappointment. “Oh, ''Nik''—and ten days have passed since then. He told you that—and you forgot so long? How could you?” Her voice grew hard. “I can’t forgive you, Nik.”

Nik’s eyes besought her. “Really I meant to, Pran. Other things drove it clean out of my head. Gjon forgot too—even Gjon forgot. Scold him.”

Gjon took up the tale sadly: “Yes, we forgot. And when we did remember it was too late, and we were&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Pran shook his hand off. “I am not angry at you, Gjon. Only at Nik.” Suddenly she took hold of Nik’s drooping shoulders as if to shake him; then as suddenly let her hands drop. “Oh, what’s the use! You are a little blockhead—nothing else.” She spoke to Gjon. “You do not know all that Nush did for us. It was really Nush who saved me when I was in grave danger at the border.” She let her voice drop. “And it was really Nush that saved Ndrek—so that he came back to us—unhurt. We owe him much —and I—” she spoke unsteadily—“I wanted to thank him. Now{{longdash}}”

Nik touched her arm. “Listen, muttra, I have not forgotten everything. Nush sent you words besides what I have told. Listen, I'll tell you.”

Pran turned on him eagerly. “What words—what message?”

Nik was thoughtful a moment. Then he said, “I remember it all, now. Nush told me three times over so I would keep the words. He said, ‘Tell her{{longdash}}{{’ ”}} He paused.

“What? ‘Tell her{{longdash}}’ What, Nik?” Pran prompted.

Nik straightened. His face cleared. “I have it&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Pran’s bitterness against Nik faded away. She smiled, but scolded still. “Castrovetsa, you cucumber! You are not old enough for messages, though Gjon here would have been. Is this last message true! Were those his words?” She doubted.

“Po, sha Zoten, yes, by the heavens,” said Nik.

“He speaks truth.” Gjon moved an assenting head.

“Well, go then, both of you. Take your flocks and keep a sharp lookout. When next you see Nush—if you ever do—tell him Gjon is my messenger, not you, Nik.”

“I am sorry,” murmured Nik repentantly.

“Run along now,” Pran ordered. “Your sheep will starve if we stand talking here.”

They went, Nik looking back a dozen times, until Pran waved a forgiving hand.

That day and all day, while she was busy with her household tasks, her mind went over all that Nik had said. She rehearsed each word of Nush’s to herself. He had asked for her—asked her to meet him. How cruel Nik had been, forgetting that! Perhaps&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Pran’s heart was in her throat. Her chin trembled like the chin of a little child who feels tears coming. She did not move, yet she could feel herself thrust this thing from her—push away Lukja’s words.

“No, Nona, no,” she cried out softly, “I am not yet betrothed. You said yourself you did not like a girl’s being promised early—at birth or when a child. You told me.” Pran clung desperately to these old words of Lukja’s, though as she spoke hope ebbed.

With Lukja’s next words hope vanished. “No, I did not betroth you early, Pran. I let you live and grow—freely—unpledged to any man. Perhaps I was not wise. But now you are a child no longer.” There was a sternness now in Lukja’s voice, almost impatience. The words came clearly—inescapably—falling like little blows on Pran’s ears, hating them. “Ndrek has promised you. You ''are'' betrothed. A year from now the marriage season comes and you will wed.”

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Then she found her voice. “Nona,” she said, “I do not wish to wed.” She could say no more. Feeling choked her.

Lukja’s sternness vanished. She put her two arms around Pran, holding her. And Pran bent her head down against her mother’s shoulder, keeping her sobs back, weeping inside her heart.

Lukja’s tone now was tender, and the love that was in her for her only girl found its way into her voice, “Pran, my little heart—Pran, you must not feel sorrow over this.” There was silence then, only Pran’s drawn sharp breaths sounded in the room. Lukja went on, her hand stroking the bent kerchiefed head pressing her shoulder. “It is a woman’s life—to grow, and wed, and go to her own home; make children, work, and take her joy in this; her man, her family, her house. It is the way of life.” And then, as if to herself, “I have done wrong not telling you so long. I, like yourself, Pran, wanted you a child—at home—with us.”

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For a time neither spoke. Then Pran said, “Nona, to whom am I betrothed?”

“My sparrow, you will go to a good man—who from his father owns much fertile land, though far—he is of Merturi. Prendnush is his name. Prendnush, Son-of-Prenk, of Rai.” She paused, went on: “Ndrek loves you even more than other fathers love their daughters. You know that yourself. You were our first-born, and for long the only child. When it looked as though no son would come Ndrek said to me, ‘She shall be our son.’ He loves you. It was he as much as I who put off your betrothal. You know in Skodra girls must buy their husbands, but here in our mountains women have value, and a man must give much for a wife. Many a man promised Ndrek cattle and cornmeal, gold coins and jewel-set chains to get you for his son, but he refused, your father, wanting for you the best in birth and nature. He waited. Now he gives you willingly. He knows and trusts the man he weds you to. Trust Ndrek, your father.” She stopped and said again, “He loves you, Pran.”
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“Then trust him in this thing,” Lukja said. “Do as he would wish. I know the young man, too, and his mother well.”

The dog barked sharply in the yard. Lukja looked up. “Who comes?” she said. They rose. “God’s grace,” thought Pran. “No more now for a while.”

It was Dil coming back. “That puppy barks at friends as well as foes,” she called from the lower room.

When she came in Pran turned her back to her, called her a greeting, busying herself at the cooking shelf, mixing bread for the noon meal. Dil must not know. But Dil would have to know. They all would know. Had not her mother said the thing was done and settled?

In the dark corner of the room Pran mixed the bread, and into the yellow batter her tears fell. She could not keep them back. She stayed there a long time stirring the meal and water with her hand, nor let her sobbing make a single sound against the talking of the other two.

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She could not stand here longer beating the bread. She rubbed her face clean of its tears. She poured the batter out into the shallow pan, covered, and carried it to the fire. Dil bent to rake out the red coals for her, and Pran leaned down and set the bread pan in the ashes, piling the embers on the top of it, coal after coal. “The pan is like my heart,” she thought, “buried in the hot ashes of sorrow.”

Notz and Lul came home for noonday bread. “Ndrek is working still,” Notz said to Lukja. “I will carry him some bread and cheese.”

Pran heard the words thankfully. No, she could not have borne to see Ndrek just then. She saw Notz’s glance shift from her reddened eyes. She felt relief that Nik and Gjon were out and would be out till evening. She could not eat, but she must make pretense. The bread was tasteless in her mouth. She did not listen to what the others said.

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At last night came. Pran showed Ndrek her usual smiling face. Guests came. Old songs were sung. The children slept. Dil and Pran went to their corner, lay under their one blanket listening to the men’s voices. There was relief for Pran in the high ringing shriek that filled the room. The phrase of music, sung a hundred times the same, stilled the restlessness of her thinking, gave her a peace. But when the song stopped then her own thoughts leaped again at her, like gnawing dreadful beasts tearing her mind. Should she tell Dil? Why not? She must tell someone. This was too hard to stand alone.

“Dil,” she whispered, when the songs began again, “Dil.”

“Yes, Pran.”

“You and I talked a month or more ago of brides and marriages. Remember?”

“Yes, I remember,” Dil answered under the ringing music.

“To-day,” Pran said, “Lukja talked to me of that same thing. I am betrothed.”

Dil’s voice betrayed an eager excitement. “Oh, Pran, ''you''—''you''—betrothed? Who is the man?”
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{{xx-larger|The Shadow Stage}}&lt;br/&gt;
{{smaller|(REG. U.S. PAT. OFF.)}}

{{larger|''A Review of the New Pictures''}}
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[[File:Photoplay - 1929.07 - 54 - Our Modern Maidens.png|center|400px]]

{{c|★ OUR MODERN MAIDENS—''M.-G.-M.''}}

{{di|A}}S Joan Crawford's first starring vehicle, this vivid picture of ultra-modern youth, as the movies see our younger folk, will undoubtedly create quite a stir. This is Josephine Lovett's sequel to &quot;Our Dancing Daughters.&quot; Then, too, it is the first time Joan and Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., have played together. 

Joan plays the role she does so well, that of a pampered play-girl bored with the world her rich father gives her to play with. The climax of the picture is based on a thoroughly original and unique situation. 

Joan is exquisitely poised and gowned, and her acting highly commendable. Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., gives astoundingly accurate impersonations of John Barrymore, Jack Gilbert, and his own dad, Douglas, Sr. Probably a tremendous box-office hit. ''Part Talkie.'' 


[[File:Photoplay - 1929.07 - 54 - Innocents of Paris.png|center|400px]]

{{c|★ INNOCENTS OF PARIS—''Paramount'''}} 

{{di|T}}HIS picture is Maurice Chevalier's (pronounced She-val-yay) first screen appearance and, because of his great popularity in Paris, his screen debut has been awaited with unusual expectancy. 

Dispel your doubts, he can stay as long as he likes. He sings with joy. He plays with abandon and his personality gets you. He renders half his songs in French and half in English, but it is not just his pleasing voice, nor even his perfect pantomime, that makes him a success. 

The plot is inconsequential and much of the dialogue is stilted and unnatural, but the sparkling, lovable personality of Chevalier lifts the story out of the commonplace—and makes it delightful entertainment. Fans will love Chevalier. ''All Talkie.'' 


[[File:Photoplay - 1929.07 - 54 - Bulldog Drummond.png|center|400px]]

{{c|★ BULLDOG DRUMMOND—''Goldwyn-United Artists''}}

{{di|T}}HIS is a corking melodrama—and Ronald Colman gives the best talkie performance to date. He's suave and easy before the terrorizing &quot;mikes.&quot; Voice gives him a new charm. &quot;Bulldog Drummond&quot; puts Ronald Colman right at the top after some recent wavering, if lavish, films. 

The English writer of shockers, Sapper, dashed off &quot;Bulldog Drummond&quot; as a stage melodrama. With the advent of the talkies, every producer was after it. But Sam Goldwyn reached first. 

Goldwyn took a lot of pains with the film. It is intelligently and tastefully done. The sounding is highly expert. Here a raindrop can be made to act in the sound pictures as excitingly as a Rolls-Royce. The cutting (one of the drawbacks of the talkies up to now) is finely done. In a phrase, &quot;Bulldog Drummond&quot; is great stuff. 

''Bulldog'' is a demobilized officer who wearies of his dull club life. He puts an advertisement in the &quot;agony column&quot; of ''The London Times'', asking for adventure. Out of the avalanche of letters, he selects one signed ''Phyllis''. It requests him to be at the Green Bays Inn at midnight, if he is sincere in his quest for adventure.

It develops that ''Phyllis{{'}}'' uncle, a millionaire American, is being held prisoner in a fake hospital by three master crooks, aided and abetted by a host of bloodthirsty Malays. 

Colman gives a superb performance and he gets fine aid from an excellent cast. The best work is done by Claude Allister, as a new sort of silly ass Englishman, and by Lilyan Tashman, as the tough baby who leads the crooks. ''All Talkie.''
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Period: 1618-49

{{sc|Rushworth}}, J.

''Historical Collections''...

London, 1659-1701 . 7 vols. Later edition in 8 vols., London,
1721 .

Rushworth has not been examined in detail, and the list of other sources may include items on Parliaments not dealt with by Rushworth. Nalson's ''Impartial Collection'' (2 vols., 1682-83) provides the published part of what was to be the
official Royalist antidote to Rushworth.&lt;ref&gt;The period covered by Nalson is 1639-42. See also the articles by C. H. Firth on Rushworth (D.N.B. xlix, p. 419) and Nalson (D.N.B. xl, p. 29).&lt;/ref&gt;

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*''Debates:'' Old Parl. Hist., 1066-1660
*''Debates:'' Cobbett, 1066-1803
*''Diaries:'' Commons Debates, 1621
*''Diaries:'' Nicholas's Diary, 1621
*''Diaries:'' Bowyer and Elsing's Notes, 1621-8
*''Diaries:'' Elsing's Notes (I), 1621
*''Diaries:'' Montagu's Journals (II), 1621-41
*''Diaries:'' Elsing's Notes (II), 1624-6
*''Diaries:'' Debates, 1625
*''Diaries:'' Diary of 1626
*''Diaries:'' Lowther's Notes, 1626-9
*''Diaries:'' Commons Debates, 1629
*''Diaries:'' D'Ewes' Diary, 1640-53 , and the other sources there listed
*''Procs.'' (ii)'':'' Speeches, 1628-9
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{{anchor|s65}}65. SPEECHES , 1628-9{{float right|H. of C. and H. of L.}}

Period : 1628-9

{{Sc|Fuller,T.}}, ed.

''Ephemeris Parliamentaria''...

London, 1654

A collection of speeches, etc., some of which were first issued individually. ''Davies'' states that editions of 1657 and 1660 have a different title: 'The Sovereign's prerogative and the subject's privilege.'


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*''Debates:'' Cobbett, 1066-1803
*''Diaries:'' Bowyer and Elsing's Notes, 1621-8
*''Diaries:'' Lowther's Notes, 1626-9
*''Diaries:'' Commons Debates, 1629
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''The Night Hunt''}}

{{di|I}} {{sc|caught}} the 5:25 train south. It put me in Poston,
a dusty town twice Quesada’s size, at 7:30; and a rattle-trap stage, in which I was the only passenger, got me to my destination half an hour later. Rain was beginning to fall as I was leaving the stage across the street from the hotel.

Jack Santos, a San Francisco reporter, came out of the telegraph office and said: “Hello. Anything new?”

“Maybe, but I'll have to give it to Vernon first.”

“He’s in his room in the hotel, or was ten minutes ago. You mean the ransom letter that somebody got?”

“Yeah. He’s already given it out?”

“Cotton started to, but Vernon headed him off, told us to let it alone.”

“Why?”

“No reason at all except that i was Cotton giving it to us.” Santos pulled the corners of his thin lips down. “It’s been turned into a contest between Vernon, Feeney, and Cotton to see which can get his name and picture printed most.”

“They been doing anything except that?”

“How can they?” he asked disgustedly. “They spend ten hours a day trying to make the front page, ten more trying to keep the others from making it, and they've got to sleep some time.”

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{{asc|Dr.}} You may put on your shirt and coat now.

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Bring a little water, Miss Carlson.

{{asc|Nurse}} Yes, Doctor. ''(Exit nurse)''

{{asc|Dr.}} You see, your--well, you've ''got'' to know the truth,--your hearts in pretty bad shape. You'll have to slow down a little bit.
Take it easy. ----- ''(Enter nurse, is about to hand glass of water to doctor, when he motions to her to hand to Wan. Wanderer is about to drink)'' -Wait a moment!--- ''(He takes a
small tablet from a bottle, hands it to Wanderer.---)'' Put
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{{asc|Nurse}} No. Just this patient's mother.--''(To Wan.)''--She told me, there's something important she forgot to tell you, so she'll be waiting
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{{asc|Dr.}} You see, your--well, you've ''got'' to know the truth,--your hearts in pretty bad shape. You'll have to slow down a little bit.
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== [[Index:Writings of Halle Tanner Dillon Johnson]] ==

This seems to be two separate documents. 

The first page is also at [[Index:Letter to Clara Marshall from Halle T. Dillon page 1.jpg]] which is taken from Commons. I don't know if the second page is there. 

The other two pages are a different document which seems to be incomplete. I am not clear of the source of that. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 22:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

== Why do the rules have varying thickness, despite using the same template? ==

Why do the rules have varying thickness, despite using the same template? It seems to depend on what text is before or after it.  See: [[The Bergen Record/1935/Teaneck Driver Held In Bogota On 3 Charges]]. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 17:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

:You mean the three under the headings ? They look the same to me. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 20:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Likewise, I see no difference.  It may be your browser. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] ([[User talk:EncycloPetey|talk]]) 20:06, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
* Thanks! It must be my browser, when I view at 125% they are of different thicknesses, but you are right at 100% they are the same.  --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 20:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

==Mainspacing an index==
Anyone want to help me mainspace [[Index:Journal of proceedings of the eleventh annual session of the Worthy Grand Lodge, of the Order of British Templars, of New Brunswick.pdf]]? Not sure titles/issues/etc - Canadiana.ca has 8 of the 13 annual reports; this is #11. [[User:Fundy Isles Historian - J|Fundy Isles Historian - J]] ([[User talk:Fundy Isles Historian - J|talk]]) 05:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Changes to [[template:sisterprojects]] ==

Noting that I just:
* added Wikifunctions; as that's a Wikimedia project like the others already listed;
* added MediaWiki, as it's also a WMF-hosted community project;
* removed foundationwiki, as that is not editable and not a community project.
(Addition of [[f:]] requested by @[[User:Koavf|Koavf]].)

I think these changes are uncontroversial, but as one of them was previously declined 2 years ago, I'm announcing here so that there are no surprises, and for any possible discussion of these changes to be centralised. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 06:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, seems reasonable. It would probably also be nice to have actual text like &quot;Wikispecies&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;free species directory&quot;, but at least actually linking all the sister projects is a good start. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (&lt;span style=&quot;color:grey&quot;&gt;ko'''a'''vf&lt;/span&gt;)]]&lt;span style=&quot;color:red&quot;&gt;❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯&lt;/span&gt; 19:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Tech News: 2025-19 ==

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Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2025/19|Translations]] are available.

'''Weekly highlight'''
* The Wikimedia Foundation has shared the latest draft update to their [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|annual plan]] for next year (July 2025–June 2026). This includes an [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|executive summary]] (also on [[diffblog:2025/04/25/sharing-the-wikimedia-foundations-2025-2026-draft-annual-plan/|Diff]]), details about the three main [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals|goals]] ([[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Product &amp; Technology OKRs|Infrastructure]], [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Volunteer Support|Volunteer Support]], and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Goals/Effectiveness|Effectiveness]]), [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Global Trends|global trends]], and the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Budget Overview|budget]] and [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026/Financial Model|financial model]]. Feedback and questions are welcome on the [[m:Talk:Wikimedia Foundation Annual Plan/2025-2026|talk page]] until the end of May.

'''Updates for editors'''
* For wikis that have the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/CampaignEvents/Deployment status|CampaignEvents extension enabled]], two new feature improvements have been released:
** Admins can now choose which namespaces are permitted for [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Event Center/Registration|Event Registration]] via [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Community Configuration|Community Configuration]] ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Registration/Permitted namespaces|documentation]]). The default setup is for event registration to be permitted in the Event namespace, but other namespaces (such as the project namespace or WikiProject namespace) can now be added. With this change, communities like WikiProjects can now more easily use Event Registration for their collaborative activities.
** Editors can now [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Transclusion|transclude]] the Collaboration List on a wiki page ([[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:CampaignEvents/Collaboration list/Transclusion|documentation]]). The Collaboration List is an automated list of events and WikiProjects on the wikis, accessed via {{#special:AllEvents}} ([[w:en:Special:AllEvents|example]]). Now, the Collaboration List can be added to all sorts of wiki pages, such as: a wiki mainpage, a WikiProject page, an affiliate page, an event page, or even a user page.
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] View all {{formatnum:27}} community-submitted {{PLURAL:27|task|tasks}} that were [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/Recently resolved community tasks|resolved last week]].

'''Updates for technical contributors'''
* Developers who use the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;moment&lt;/code&gt; library in gadgets and user scripts should revise their code to use alternatives like the &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;Intl&lt;/code&gt; library or the new &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;mediawiki.DateFormatter&lt;/code&gt; library. The &lt;code dir=ltr&gt;moment&lt;/code&gt; library has been deprecated and will begin to log messages in the developer console. You can see a global search for current uses, and [[phab:T392532|ask related questions in this Phabricator task]].
* Developers who maintain a tool that queries the Wikidata term store tables (&lt;code dir=ltr style=&quot;white-space: nowrap;&quot;&gt;wbt_*&lt;/code&gt;) need to update their code to connect to a separate database cluster. These tables are being split into a separate database cluster. Tools that query those tables via the wiki replicas must be adapted to connect to the new cluster instead. [[wikitech:News/2025 Wikidata term store database split|Documentation and related links are available]]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T390954]
* [[File:Octicons-sync.svg|12px|link=|class=skin-invert|Recurrent item]] Detailed code updates later this week: [[mw:MediaWiki 1.44/wmf.28|MediaWiki]]

'''In depth'''
* The latest [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project/Updates|Chart Project newsletter]] is available. It includes updates on preparing to expand the deployment to additional wikis as soon as this week (starting May 6) and scaling up over the following weeks, plus exploring filtering and transforming source data.

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== Is possible to add txt files on Wikisource? ==

I need to upload complete works in Tibetan (in .txt format) to Wikisource, but I currently lack the technical skills to do so beyond adding basic transcription text. Could you kindly guide me through the process in a simple and clear step-by-step manner? through Wikimedia common or any other methods? [[User:TaDhondup|TaDhondup]] ([[User talk:TaDhondup|talk]]) 03:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:If you mean to English Wikisource, then I would like to point out that English Wikisource hosts only ''previously published'' works ''written in English''. Unfortunately, it seems there is no Tibetan Wikisource, so Tibetan texts might be hosted in the [[:mul:Main_Page|multilingual Wikisource]], see e. g. [[:mul:Category:Tibetan]]. I do not know much about mul: processes, but usually it is recommended to upload files to [[c:Main_Page|Commons]], and then [[Help:Proofread|proofread]] it. The text of the document has to be in public domain or released under some accepted free licence, see [[Help:Licensing compatibility]]. Accepted textual formats of the uploaded files are .pdf and .djvu per [[c:Commons:File_types#Textual formats]]. Pinging also [[User:Jusjih|Jusjih]], who is the mul.ws admin and might be able to give more advice. --[[User:Jan.Kamenicek|Jan Kameníček]] ([[User talk:Jan.Kamenicek|talk]]) 15:01, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks for your advices and I got a solution to so. Appreciate lots [[User:TaDhondup|TaDhondup]] ([[User talk:TaDhondup|talk]]) 03:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

== We will be enabling the new Charts extension on your wiki soon! ==

''(Apologies for posting in English)''

Hi all! We have good news to share regarding the ongoing problem with graphs and charts affecting all wikis that use them.

As you probably know, the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Graph|old Graph extension]] was disabled in 2023 [[listarchive:list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/EWL4AGBEZEDMNNFTM4FRD4MHOU3CVESO/|due to security reasons]]. We’ve worked in these two years to find a solution that could replace the old extension, and provide a safer and better solution to users who wanted to showcase graphs and charts in their articles. We therefore developed the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|Charts extension]], which will be replacing the old Graph extension and potentially also the [[:mw:Extension:EasyTimeline|EasyTimeline extension]].

After successfully deploying the extension on Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedia, as well as on MediaWiki.org, as part of a pilot phase, we are now happy to announce that we are moving forward with the next phase of deployment, which will also include your wiki.

The deployment will happen in batches, and will start from '''May 6'''. Please, consult [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart/Project#Deployment Timeline|our page on MediaWiki.org]] to discover when the new Charts extension will be deployed on your wiki. You can also [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Chart|consult the documentation]] about the extension on MediaWiki.org.

If you have questions, need clarifications, or just want to express your opinion about it, please refer to the [[:mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension_talk:Chart/Project|project’s talk page on Mediawiki.org]], or ping me directly under this thread. If you encounter issues using Charts once it gets enabled on your wiki, please report it on the [[:mw:Extension_talk:Chart/Project|talk page]] or at [[phab:tag/charts|Phabricator]].

Thank you in advance! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 15:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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== Page styles are not automatically applied in the Main namespace ==

[[Help:Page styles#Where the CSS is applied]] says that Index page styles are applied &quot;On the transcluding page when pages are transcluded using the &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;&lt;page/&gt;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; [''sic''] tag&quot;, but this is not happening in practice. I noticed this when using the page styles to target the &lt;code&gt;.references&lt;/code&gt; class, which works for [[Page:What's the Difference?.pdf/3]] but not for [[What's the Difference?]]. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
: The style ''is'' applied; the issue is that the &quot;automatic&quot; references, when no reflist is included, appear outside of the content (&lt;code&gt;.mw-parser-output&lt;/code&gt;); and templatestyles is limited to inside &lt;code&gt;.mw-parser-output&lt;/code&gt;.
: So adding {{tl|reflist}} should do the trick. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Placing {{tl|reflist}} on the [[Page:What's the Difference?.pdf/9|very last page]] works. Going forward, I will do this instead of placing it in the Main namespace to make transclusion easier. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 14:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:::The discussion about page styles is interesting, but in this specific case is there any advantage to styling {{tl|reflist}} instead of just using {{tl|smallrefs}} in the main page? [[User:Qq1122qq|Qq1122qq]] ([[User talk:Qq1122qq|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Not really, it's just a matter of style. IMO, it's better to put as much as can be put inside the Page namespace, and we shouldn't treat references differently compared to, say, sizing templates. [[User:Prospectprospekt|prospectprospekt]] ([[User talk:Prospectprospekt|talk]]) 22:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

== WS-EXport broke? ==

Apologies for raising as people probably already know, it seems that WS Export is hanging (tested on LA and EN). Others [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T392768 reporting the same at Phabricator]. [[User:JimKillock|JimKillock]] ([[User talk:JimKillock|talk]]) 16:09, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Do you mean using the Download button ? I have had problems with that - I thought that it was just my poor internet connection - but find that if I try several times, eventually it works. -- [[User:Beardo|Beardo]] ([[User talk:Beardo|talk]]) 15:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:: Aside from the slowness, it actually breaks every once in a while and needs to be restarted; due to scrapers. — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 16:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

== [[Index:Life, Studies and Works of Benjamin West.djvu]] not loading properly ==

I've added an index through (what I thought was) the normal process, but it isn't correctly loading the pages and says &quot;Error:Invalid Interval.&quot; I haven't done this in a while, so maybe I forgot something, but wanted to ask because I'm lost. [[User:Packer1028|Packer1028]] ([[User talk:Packer1028|talk]]) 02:29, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:Purged and should be fixed. [[User:MarkLSteadman|MarkLSteadman]] ([[User talk:MarkLSteadman|talk]]) 02:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
: (This is a known issue with file caching.) — [[User:Alien333|Alien]] [[User talk:Alien333|&lt;b style=&quot;display:inline-block;line-height:100%;font-size:60%;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#007,#077,#070);background-clip:text;color:transparent&quot;&gt;&amp;ensp;3&lt;br/&gt;3 3&lt;/b&gt;]] 05:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks to both of you! [[User:Packer1028|Packer1028]] ([[User talk:Packer1028|talk]]) 16:06, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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&quot;'Civil authorities!'&quot; echoed Mrs. McSween. &quot;Who, pray, are these 'civil authorities'?&quot; 

&quot;Sheriff Peppin here and the deputies under him.&quot; 

&quot;Sheriff Peppin is a Murphy partisan,&quot; Mrs. McSween flung back. &quot;He is directing the attack upon us.&quot; 

&quot;Your men refused to surrender when called upon.&quot;

&quot;If they had surrendered, they would have been massacred.&quot; 

&quot;I do not think so.&quot; 

&quot;The purpose of these 'civil authorities,' as you call them, is to murder as all. If the present situation does not warrant your interference, I can conceive of no situation which would. Force these lawless and conscienceless 'civil authorities' to stop their efforts to murder us. Let my home burn to the ground, but send your troops to save the lives of Mr. McSween and his men. Arrest them if necessary and give them protection as your prisoners.&quot;

&quot;I am in command of United States troops,&quot; Colonel Dudley answered. &quot;This is a civil matter—&quot;

&quot;It is barbarous!&quot; cried Mrs. McSween. 

&quot;—and Sheriff Peppin seems to have the situation in
hand. I will not interfere. I have no authority.&quot; 

&quot;So this is what it means to appeal to a soldier in the uniform of my country,&quot; shouted Mrs. McSween, now white with passion. &quot;If my country's flag that flies in front of your tent cannot protect us, then God help us.&quot; 

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&quot;'Civil authorities!'&quot; echoed Mrs. McSween. &quot;Who, pray, are these 'civil authorities'?&quot; 

&quot;Sheriff Peppin here and the deputies under him.&quot; 

&quot;Sheriff Peppin is a Murphy partisan,&quot; Mrs. McSween flung back. &quot;He is directing the attack upon us.&quot; 

&quot;Your men refused to surrender when called upon.&quot;

&quot;If they had surrendered, they would have been massacred.&quot; 

&quot;I do not think so.&quot; 

&quot;The purpose of these 'civil authorities,' as you call them, is to murder as all. If the present situation does not warrant your interference, I can conceive of no situation which would. Force these lawless and conscienceless 'civil authorities' to stop their efforts to murder us. Let my home burn to the ground, but send your troops to save the lives of Mr. McSween and his men. Arrest them if necessary and give them protection as your prisoners.&quot;

&quot;I am in command of United States troops,&quot; Colonel Dudley answered. &quot;This is a civil matter—&quot;

&quot;It is barbarous!&quot; cried Mrs. McSween. 

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&quot;So this is what it means to appeal to a soldier in the uniform of my country,&quot; shouted Mrs. McSween, now white with passion. &quot;If my country's flag that flies in front of your tent cannot protect us, then God help us.&quot; 

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&quot;Dudley refuses to interfere,&quot; she announced hopelessly.

Silence fell upon the doomed men, broken only by the
crackling of the fire and the crash of charred timbers. For a long time Mrs. McSween paced the floor, wringing her hands.

&quot;Dudley must interfere,&quot; she said at last as if to herself.
&quot;We are lost unless he does. Only the soldiers can save us. I am going back to fight it out with him.&quot;

She picked her way through the blazing embers out into the road once more. A roar of laughter came from Colonel Dudley's tent as she entered the camp. Evidently someone had told the soldier a good joke. Colonel Dudley was still with Sheriff Peppin and John Kinney. He seemed disconcerted as Mrs. McSween stepped into his
tent. A bottle and glasses were on his table.

&quot;You here again?&quot;

&quot;I have come again to beg you on my knees to save my husband's life and the lives of the men with him. Have you no mercy?&quot;

&quot;I have told you I have no authority to interfere.&quot;

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He wasted no words in bewailing his fate in being cooped in this two-by-four hell. Confident in his own resources 
and courage, he was willing to play the game out to the end and, if luck went against him, accept the result like a good gambler.

Mrs. McSween’s eyes rested sadly on her piano. Flame reflections were leaping and dancing in its polished depths. It was fated to destruction. A few hours more and it would be a wreck buried under flaming débris.
 
She threw herself upon the stool at the keyboard. She still had hope—hope in Billy the Kid and his fighting men. They were battling desperately in their last ditch. A warsong might inspire them to still more heroic courage. It might turn defeat into victory. With one last brave swan-song before the ultimate silence, the piano might yet save the day. At once she plunged into the stirring bars of &quot;The Star Spangled Banner.&quot; Facing death, the men felt the lift and thrill of the old battle hymn. &quot;O say, can you see…what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming…broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight…so gallantly streaming.…&quot; The Kid whistled the tune. Tom O'Folliard beat time with his six-shooter. Far through the noise of battle and the swish of flames, the music sounded in half the homes in Lincoln. It rang against the cañon walls like a challenge. It carried its message of courage and defiance to the enemy whose bullets thumped like an obbligato against the tottering walls and plunged with sibilant uproar among the smoking embers…“does the Star-Spangled Banner still&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;You'd better hunt safety now, Mrs. McSween,&quot; said Billy the Kid. &quot;Go to the house of some friend while there's still time. We'll do the best we can. We may get out of this yet. After dark, we'll make a break for it.&quot;
 
&quot;Yes,&quot; agreed McSween. &quot;While there is still time. Escape for the others will be less difficult if there is no woman here.&quot;
 
&quot;I will not go,&quot; the brave woman proclaimed stoutly.

&quot;It is best, my dear,&quot; answered McSween.
 
He folded her in his arms and kissed her good-bye. &quot;Let me stay and die with you,&quot; she pleaded.

McSween shook his head solemnly. &quot;No, you must go.&quot;

Mrs. McSween turned away. Her husband drew her back for one last embrace. 

&quot;God watch over and protect you,&quot; he breathed. 

Broken-hearted and blinded by tears, Mrs. McSween stumbled out of the blazing ruins of her home, through the dense smoke into the road flaming with the sunset to find safety and shelter at last with her sister and Ms. Ealy. 

Night fell. Two rooms were left. The Kid and his men still clung to their crumbling defenses. The fire marched steadily forward. One room remained the kitchen. It was ten o'clock. With the roof blazing over their heads, the Kid and his men prepared for a dash for safety. The Kid gave his directions calmly. Certain men must go first; certain others must follow in order.

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crisis. Their rifles commanded the kitchen
door at a distance of not more than ten yards. 

&quot;All right, boys, let's go,&quot; cried the Kid. &quot;We've 
still got one chance in a million.&quot; 

He threw open the back door. While the flames 
turned night into day, Harvey Morris and Francisco 
Semora rushed out to fall dead before a blaze of rifles 
from the adobe wall. Vincente Romero was the next to 
try and the next to die.
 
McSween was sitting in a corner, his Bible open on his 
lap, his lips moving in prayer. The tragedy closing in 
about him had left him in a state between lethargy and 
religious ecstasy. He realized that all hope was gone. 
Fear did not touch him. He felt only the despair and 
disappointment of a martyr whose faith had been in vain, 
whose prayers had not been answered. The Kid laid a 
hand upon his shoulder and shook him out of his reverie. 

&quot;Come on, governor,&quot; said the Kid with a flash of his 
gay courage, &quot;it's your turn next. You've got to make a 
run for it.&quot; 

McSween rose slowly to his feet. 

&quot;Take this gun.&quot; The Kid tried to shove a six-shooter 
into his hand. With a sweep of his long arm, 
McSween brushed the weapon aside. He had remained 
unarmed throughout the fighting. He would die as he 
had lived, with no stain upon his soul. 

&quot;Hit the trail, old man,&quot; shouted the Kid. &quot;Go through 
that door like a streak of greased lightning. Head for the 
back fence. Roll over it in the dark. Keep going for 
the Bonito. And you'll see Mrs. McSween in the morning. 
Good luck.&quot; 

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Perhaps the warmth of their greeting may have been enhanced by a desire to conceal their true feelings. We had been together constantly for months, warm friendships had sprung up between us, and tonight we were to separate with little likelihood that they and I should ever meet again. This was to be my last day on earth; after today I should be as dead to them as though three feet of earth cov­ered my inanimate corpse.

It is possible that my own sentiments col­ored my interpretation of theirs, for I am frank to confess that I had been apprehending this last moment as the most difficult of the whole adventure. I have come in contact with the peoples of many countries, but I recall none with more lovable qualities than Mexicans who have not been contaminated by too close contact with the intolerance and commercialism of Americans. And then there was Jimmy Welsh! It was going to be like parting with a brother&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{asc|Dr.}} Where's my--er-- I had it here a moment ago--my prescription pad,
where is it, Miss Carlson?

{{asc|Nurse}} It's right there. I'll get it for you. ''(She hands him the pad)''

''(Doctor sits down, quickly writes a prescription, hands it to Wan''

{{asc|Dr.}} I'd like to have a little talk with you, but er---

{{asc|Wan.}} Yes. I see. It's something urgent. You've got to go.

{{asc|Dr.}} Go? How did you know I was---

{{asc|Wan.}} ''(Seriously)'' I--I--imagine so. Doctors are always called when they ''(he stops short)''-- ''least'' expect it.

{{asc|Dr.}} Yes--Yes. ''(He turns to nurse)'' Miss Carlson, will you please run
upstairs and get my overcoat.

{{asc|Nurse}} It's right out here in the--Oh, you mean your ''Sunday'' coat?

{{asc|Dr.}} Yes. Yes. My Sunday one.--''(As nurse exits)'' --Hurry, will you please
''(Wan. looks at doctor, smiles)''--My gloves, I--I put them--Oh, yes
I threw them an the hall rack.

{{asc|Nurse}} ''(Returning with coat, handing it to doctor)'' Your hat I think
it will need a little brushing.

{{asc|Dr.}} Yes.--Yes, --er-- ''(Nurse rushes out. Doctor is putting on coat. He thrusts hand into pocket, pulls out a pair of gloves)''--Now,
where did I---

''(Enter nurse, hat in hand, sees gloves in doctar's hand also his puzzled look)''

{{asc|Nurse}} I put your best gloves in your pocket. I thought you'd like to
wear them with that coat.--''(She hands him the hat)''

{{asc|Dr.}} ''(Hurriedly)'' Yes.--Thanks, very thoughtful of you.--''(Looks at his''&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{xx-larger|''Some Hints from the Stars on arranging hair that is neither bobbed nor long''}}

{{x-larger|By Katherine Albert}}
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[[File:Photoplay - 1929.07 - 42 - Raquel Torres.png|center|600px]]

{{c|'''Estelle Taylor started it. But Raquel Torres illustrates for you here how fly-away hair that is too long to hang down and too short to coil up can be deftly held together in a charming chignon. The method is amusingly simple. Stretch a sturdy rubber band across the back of the hair, catching it securely behind each ear with a hairpin. Give the pin a little twist as you insert it, and it will hold fast. Then coil the ends of the hair over the elastic, fastening with plenty of tiny hairpins. This arrangement gives the effect of long hair'''}}

{{di|A}} VISITOR passing through Hollywood one afternoon stopped to look at a sorrowing group of men marching along the boulevard. At first glance they might have been foreign actors with accents, fleeing before the shadow of the microphone. They might have been producers who hadn't merged. They were neither. Only a group of barbers who were folding their scissors and silently stealing away. 

Hollywood seems to be growing out. Dozens of the film gals are letting their hair go feminine again. But not all by any means. 

The feminine members of the film colony may be divided into four opinions. There are those who have had long hair all during those hectic shearing days (Mary Philbin, Mary Brian, Norma Shearer, June Collyer). 

There are some who have always had bobbed hair and continue to have it (Dorothy Sebastian, Clara Bow, Florence Vidor, Alice White, Bebe Daniels, Norma Talmadge). 

Then there is the &quot;yes and no&quot; group—those who have bobbed, grown out and bobbed again (Joan Crawford, Laura La Plante, Jean Arthur, Esther Ralston, Olive Borden, Evelyn Brent). 

And, most important of all, you'll find the group that is just growing out. 

They are passing through that awkward stage. 

Every woman who has let her hair grow knows what this means. A continual worry for many months. Dozens of boxes of invisible hairpins. Stray, unruly hair. 

But take courage. Take a lot of courage. There are ways for everyone, with every type of hair, to overcome this.

One of the most practical methods is that employed by a number of the players, including Estelle Taylor and Raquel Torres. It is done with a simple twist of the wrist and a plain rubber band. 

The elastic is pulled taut across the back of the head and is held in place with two hairpins, one behind each ear. This keeps the hair smooth at the back. Then the long hair that is so unpleasant on the nape of the neck is curled up tight to conceal the band. 

[[File:Photoplay - 1929.07 - 42 - Greta Garbo.png|center|300px]]
{{c|'''The Garbo cut needs no introduction. It has spread like wildfire through every city and town. This photograph of the pensive Greta shows a particularly pleasing variation of her versatile bob'''}}


{{di|A}}NOTHER ingenious method is employed by Leila Hyams. Her hair is growing out both at the back and the sides. She pins it in tightly over the ears, keeps it marcelled and wears a false braid, coronet fashion, which is pinned in at the back keeping the back hair in place. The braid is then pinned over the top of the head. 

False hair is also used effectively by Anita Page. She keeps those back ends down by pinning tightly across them a set of little curls. 

Mary Astor has just bobbed her hair, but she intends to wear it both ways. Incidentally, her method is a good one while the hair is growing out. 

A small ''chignon''' was made of the hair that was cut off and this is pinned tightly across the back while the sides are allowed to fluff out softly around the face. 

You'd never believe, to look at Nancy Carroll, that her hair is really nape-of-the-neck length. It looks as if she has a smart bob and this is done by separating the back hair into eight parts and coiling each part separately. Then it is pinned securely to the nape of the neck, the shorter top hair is combed over it and the effect is that of a neatly cropped head.
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And now he sets out the throat. {{rbstagedir|Aside.}}

{{em}}''Dap''. [''within''.]{{em}}I am almost stifled{{longdash}}

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Would you were altogether. {{rbstagedir|Aside.}}

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}'Tis in the house.
Ha! list.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Believe it, sir, in the air.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Peace, you. 

{{em}}''Dap''. [''within''.]{{em}}Mine aunt's grace does not use me well.

{{em}}''Sub''. [''within''.]{{em}}You fool,
Peace, you'll mar all.

{{em}}''Face''. [''speaks through the key-hole, while Lovewit advances to the door unobserved''.]{{em}}Or you will else, you rogue.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}O, is it so? then you converse with spirits!―
Come, sir. No more of your tricks, good Jeremy,
The truth, the shortest way.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Dismiss this rabble, sir.—
What shall I do? I am catch'd. {{rbstagedir|Aside.}}

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Good neighbours,
I thank you all. You may depart. [''Exeunt Neighbours''].—Come sir, 
You know that I am an indulgent master; 
And therefore conceal nothing. What's your medicine, 
To draw so many several sorts of wild fowl?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Sir, you were wont to affect mirth and wit— 
But here's no place to talk on't in the street. 
Give me but leave to make the best of my fortune, 
And only pardon me the abuse of your house: 
It's all I beg. I'll help you to a widow, 
In recompense, that you shall give me thanks for, 
Will make you seven years younger, and a rich one.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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With spirits, to keep churl back.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}And hast thou done it?

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Sure, for this night.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Why, then triumph and sing
Of Face so famous, the precious king
Of present wits.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Did you not hear the coil
About the door?

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Yes, and I dwindled with it.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Shew him his aunt, and let him be dispatch'd:
I'll send her to you. {{rbstagedir|Exit Face.}}

{{em}}''Sub''{{em}}Well, sir, your aunt her grace
Will give you audience presently, on my suit,
And the captain's word that you did not eat your gag
In any contempt of her highness.

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}Not I, in troth, sir. {{rbstagedir|Unbinds his eyes.}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Dol}} ''like the queen of Fairy''.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Here she is come. Down o' your knees and wriggle:
She has a stately presence. [''Dapper kneels, and shuffles towards her''.] Good! Yet nearer,
And bid, God save you!

{{em}}''Dup''.{{em}}Madam!

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}And your aunt.

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}And my most gracious aunt, God save your grace.

{{em}}''Dol''.{{em}}Nephew, we thought to have been angry with you;
But that sweet face of yours hath turn'd the tide.
And made it flow with joy, that ebb'd of love.
Arise, and touch our velvet gown.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But keep
The gallant'st company, and the best games{{longdash}}

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}Yes, sir.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Gleek and primero: and what you get, be true to us.

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}By this hand, I will.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}You may bring's a thousand pound
Before to-morrow night, if but three thousand
Be stirring, an you will.

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}I swear I will then.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Your fly will learn you all games.

{{em}}''Face''. [''within''.]{{em}}Have you done there?

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Your grace will command him no more duties?

{{em}}''Dol''.{{em}}No:
But come, and see me often. I may chance
To leave him three or four hundred chests of treasure,
And some twelve thousand acres of fairy land,
If he game well and comely with good gamesters.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}There's a kind aunt! kiss her departing part.—
But you must sell your forty mark a year, now.

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}Ay, sir, I mean.

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Or, give't away; pox on't!

{{em}}''Dap''.{{em}}I'll give't mine aunt: I'll go and fetch the writings. {{rbstagedir|Exit.}}

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}'Tis well, away.

&lt;&gt;''Re-enter'' {{sc|Face}}.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Where's Subtle?

{{em}}''Sub''.{{em}}Here: what news?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{larger|Complete for every picture reviewed in this issue}}
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&quot;BIG DIAMOND ROBBERY, THE&quot;—FBO.—From the story by Frank Howard Clarke. Adapted by John Stuart Twist. Directed by Eugene Ford. The cast: ''Tom Markham'', Tom Mix; ''Ellen Brooks'', Kathryn McGuire; ''George Brooks'', Frank Beal; ''Auntie Brooks'', Martha Mattox; ''Stevens'', Ernest Hilliard; ''Barney'', Barney Furey; ''Chick'', Ethan Laidlaw.

&quot;BULLDOG DRUMMOND&quot;—{{sc|Goldwyn-United Artists}}.—From the stage play by Sapper. Scenario by Wallace Smith. Directed by F. Richard Jones. The cast; ''Bulldog Drummond'', Ronald_Colman; ''Phyllis'', Joan Bennett; ''Erma'', Lilyan Tashman; ''Peterson'', Montagu Love; ''Lakington'', Lawrence Grant; ''Donny'', Wilson Benge; ''Algy'', Claude Allister; ''Morcovitch'', Adolph Milar; ''Travers'', Charles Sellon; ''Chong'', Tetsu Komai.

&quot;COME ACROSS&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story, &quot;The Stolen Lady.&quot; by Wm. Dudley Pelley. Adapted by Peter Milne. Directed by Ray Taylor. Photography by R. Redman. The cast: ''Mary Houston'', Lina Rasquette; ''Harry Fraser'', Reed Howes; ''Pop Hanson'', Gustav Von Seyffertitz; ''&quot;Caster Oil&quot; Cassie'', Flora Finch; ''George Harcourt'', Crauford Kent; ''Harriet Houston'', Clarissa Selwynne.

&quot;DEVIL'S CHAPLAIN, THE&quot;—{{sc|Ravart}}.—From the story by George Bronson Howard. Adapted by Arthur Hoerl. Directed by Duke Worne. Photography by Hap Depew. The cast: ''The King'', Josef Swickard; ''Princess Therese'', Virginia Brown Faire; ''Yorke Norroy'', Cornelius Keefe; ''Nicholay'', Wheeler Oakman; ''The Prince'', George MacIntosh; ''Boris'', Boris Karloff; ''Ivan'', Leland Carr.

&quot;DUKE STEPS OUT, THE&quot;—M.-G.-M.—From the story by Lucian Cary. Adapted by Raymond Schrock and Dale Van Every. Directed by James Cruze. Photography by Ira Morgan. The cast: ''Duke'', William Haines; ''Susie'', Joan Crawford; ''Barney'', Karl Dane; ''Jake'', Tenen Holtz; ''Tommy Wells'', Eddie Nugent; ''Poison Kerrigan'', Jack Roper; ''Bossy Edwards'', Delmer Daves; ''Professor Widdicomb'', Luke Cosgrave; ''Mr. Corbin'', Herbert Prior.

&quot;EXALTED FLAPPER, THE&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the story by Will Irwin. Adapted by Ray Harris. Directed by James Tinling, The cast: ''Princess Izola'', Sue Carol; ''Prince Boris'', Harry Norton; ''Queen Charlotte'', Irene Rich; ''King Alexander'', Albert Conti; ''Marjorie'', Sylvia Field; ''Bimbo Mehaffey'', Stuart Erwin; ''Premier Vadisco'', Lawrence Grant; ''Dr. Nicholas'', Charles Clary; ''Old Fritz'', Michael Visaroff; ''Reporter'', Don Fullen; ''Banker'', Landers Stevens.

&quot;EYES OF THE UNDERWORLD&quot;—{{sc|Universal}}.—From the story by Leigh Jason. Directed by Leigh Jason and Ray Taylor, Photography by Al G. Jones. The cast: ''Pat Doran'', William Cody: ''Florence Hueston'', Sally Blane; ''Gang Leader'', Arthur Lubin; ''Gimpy Johnson'', Harry Tenbrook; ''John Hueston'', Charles Clary; ''Gardener'', Monte Montague.

&quot;FOX MOVIETONE FOLLIES&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the story by David Butler. Dialogue by William K. Wells. Directed by David Butler. The cast: ''George Shelby'', John Breeden; ''Lila Beaumont'', Lola Lane; ''Jay Dorrell'', DeWitt Jennings; ''Ann Foster'', Sharon Lynn; ''Al Leeton'', Arthur Stone; ''Swifty'', Stepin Fetchit; ''Mortin'', Warren Hymer; ''Stage Manager'', Archie Gottler; ''Orchestra Leader'', Arthur Kay; ''Le Maire'', Mario Dominici. ''Principals in Song and Dance Numbers'': Sue Carol, Lola Lane, Sharon Lynn, Dixie Lee, Melva Cornell, Paula Langlen, Carolynne Snowden, Jeannette Dancey, David Percy, David Rollins, Bobby Burns, Frank Richardson, Henry M. Mollandin, Frank La Mont, Stepin Fetchit. ''Adagio Dancers'': Vina Gale and Arthur Springer, Helen Hunt and Charles Huff, Harriet and John Griffith. ''Specialty Dancers'': Stepin Fetchit, Carolynne Snowden, Jeannette Dancey, Evans and Weaver, Mitchell and Redman, Four Covans, Sam and Sam, Brown and Stevens.

&quot;GAMBLERS, THE&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the play by Charles Klein. Adapted by J. Grubb Alexander, Directed by Michael Curtiz. The cast: ''James Darwin'', H. B. Warner; ''Catherine Darwin'', Lois Wilson; ''Carvel Emerson'', Jason Robards; ''Emerson, Sr.'', George Fawcett; ''George Cowper'', Johnny Arthur; ''Raymond'', Frank Campean; ''Isabel Emerson'', Pauline Garon; ''Tooker'', Charles Sellon.

&quot;GIRLS GONE WILD&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the story by Bertram Millhauser. Scenario by Beulah Marie Dix. Directed by Lewis Seiler. Photography by Arthur Edeson. The cast: ''Babs Holworthy'', Sue Carol; ''Buck Brown'', Nick Stuart; ''Don Brown'', William Russell: ''Tony Morelli'', Roy D'Arcy; ''Augie Sten'', Mathew Betz; ''Boots'', Leslie Fenton; ''Dilly'', Louis Natheaux; ''Mrs. Holworthy'', Hedda Hopper; ''Mr. Holworthy'', Lumsden Hare; ''Judge Elliott'', Edmund Breese; ''Speed Wede'', John Darrow; ''Grandma'', Minna Ferry, 

&quot;GUN LAW&quot;—FBO.—From the story by Oliver Drake. Directed by Robert De Lacy. The cast: ''Tom O'Brien'', Tom Tyler; ''Cy Brown'', Barney Furcy; ''Nancy'', Etlilyne Clair; ''&quot;Buster&quot; Brown'', Frankie Darro; ''&quot;Big Bill&quot; Driscoll'', Lew Mechan; ''Surveyor'', Tom Brooker.

&quot;HOLE IN THE WALL, THE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the play by Fred Jackson. Adapted by Pierre Collings. Directed by Robert Florey. The cast: ''Jean Oliver'', Claudette Colbert; ''Gordon Grant'', David Newell; ''Mme. Mystera'', Nelly Savage; ''The Fox'', Edward G. Robinson; ''Goofy'', Donald Meck; ''Jim'', Alan Brooks; ''Mrs. Ramsay'', Louise Glosser Hale; ''Mrs. Carslake'', Katherine Emmet; ''Marcia'', Marcia Kagno; ''Dogface'', Barry McCollum; ''Police Inspector'', George McQuarrie; ''Mrs. Lyons'', Helen Crane.

&quot;HONKY-TONK&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the story by Leslie S. Barrows. Adapted by C. Graham Baker. Directed by Lloyd Racon. The cast: ''Sophie Leonard'', Sophie Tucker; ''Freddie Gilmore'', George Duryea; ''Beth'', Lila Lee; ''Jean Gilmore'', Audrey Ferris: ''Jim Blake'', Mahlon Hamilton; ''Cafe Manager'', John T. Murray. 

&quot;HOTTENTOT, THE&quot;—{{sc|Warners}}.—From the play by Victor Mapes and William Collier. Adapted by Harvey Thew, Directed by Roy Del Ruth. The cast: ''Sam Harrington'', Edward Everett Horton; ''Peggy Fairfax'', Patsy Ruth Miller; ''Ollie Gilford'', Edmund Breese; ''Mrs. Chadwick'', Gladys Brockwell; ''Larry Crowford'', Edward Earle; ''Alec Fairfax'', Stanley Taylor; ''Perkins, the Groom'', Otto Hoffman; ''Swift, the Butler'', Douglas Gerrard; ''May Gilford'', Maude Turner Gardon.

&quot;INNOCENTS OF PARIS&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by C. E. Andrews. Dialogue by Ernest Vajda. Directed by Richard Wallace. The cast: ''Maurice Marny'', Maurice Chevalier; ''Louise Leval'', Sylvia Beecher; ''Emile Leval'', Russell Simpson; ''Mons. Marny'', George Fawcett, ''Mme. Marny'', Mrs. George Fawcett; ''Mons. Renard'', John Miljan; ''Mme. Renard'', Margaret Livingston; ''Jo-Jo'', David Durand; ''Jules'', Jack Luden; ''Musician'', Johnnie Morris.

&quot;MADAME X&quot;—M.-G.-M.—From the play by Alexandre Bisson. Dialogue by Willard Mack. Directed by Lionel Barrymore. Photography by Arthur Reed. The cast: ''Floriot'', Lewis Stone; ''Jacqueline'', Ruth Chatterton; ''Raymond'', Raymond Hackett; ''Noel'', Holmes Herbert; ''Rose'', Eugenie Besserer; ''Doctor'', John P. Edington; ''Colonel Hanby'', Mitchell Lewis; ''La Roque'', Ullric Haupt; ''Merivel'', Sidney Toler: ''Perissard'', Richard Carle; ''Darrell'', Carroll Nye; ''Valmorin'', Claud King; ''Judge'', Chappell Dossett. 

&quot;MAN I LOVE, THE&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}.—From the story by Herman J. Mankiewicz. Adapted by Percy Heath. Directed by William Wellman. The cast: ''Dum-Dum Brooks'', Richard Arlen; ''Celia Fields'', Mary Brian; ''Sonia Borondoff'', Baclanova; ''Curly Bloom'', Harry Green; ''Lew Layton'', Jack Oakie; ''D. J. McCarthy'', Pat O'Malley; ''Carlo Vesper'', Leslie Fenton; ''Champ Mahoney'', Charles Sullivan; ''K. O. O'Hearn'', William Vincent.

&quot;MASKED EMOTIONS&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.-From story &quot;A Son of Anak&quot; by Ben Ames Williams. Adapted by Harry Brand and Benjamin Markson. Directed by David Butler and Kenneth Hawks. The cast: ''Bramdict Dickery'', George O'Brien; ''Emily Goodell'', Nora Lane; ''Will Whitten'', Farrell MacDonald; ''Thad Gilson'', David Sharpe; ''Captain Goodell'', Janes Gordon; ''Lee Wing'', Edward Peil, Sr.; ''Logune'', Frank Hagney.

&quot;MOTHER'S BOY&quot;—{{sc|Pathe}}.—From the story by Gene Markey. Dialogue by Gene Markey, Directed by Bradley Barker. The cast: ''Tommy O'Day'', Morton Downey; ''Mrs. O'Day'', Beryl Mercer; ''Mr. O'Day'', John T. Doyle: ''Harry O'Day'', Brian Donlevy; ''Rose Lyndon'', Helen Chandler; ''Jake Sturmberg'', Osgood Perkins; ''Joe Bush'', Lorin Raker; ''Beatrix Townleigh'', Barbara Bennett; ''Mrs. Apfelbaum'', Jennie Moskowitz: ''Mr. Apfelbaum'', Jacob Frank; ''Mr. Bumble'', Louis Sorin; ''Gus LeGrand'', Robert Gleckler; ''Duke of Pomplum'', Tyrrell Davis; ''Dinslow'', Allan Vincent; ''Evangelist'', Leslie Stowe.

&quot;NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH&quot;—{{sc|Paramount}}—From the play by James Montgomery. Adapted by John McGowan. Directed by Victor Schertzinger, The cast: ''Robert Bennett'', Richard Dix; ''E. M. Burke'', Burton Churchill; ''Frank Connelly'', Louis John Bartels; ''Clarence Van Dyke'', Ned Sparks; ''Sabel Jackson'', Wynne Gibson; ''Mabel Jackson'', Helen Kane; ''Gwen Burke'', Dorothy Hall; ''Mrs. E. M. Burke'', Madeline Grey; ''Ethel Clark'', Nancy Ryan.

&quot;NOT QUITE DECENT&quot;—{{sc|Fox}}.—From the story by Wallace Smith. Scenario by Marion Orth. Directed by Irving Cummings. The cast: ''Linda Cunningham'', June Collyer; ''Mame Jarrow'', Louise Dresser; ''Jerry Connor'', Allan Jane; ''Canfield'', Oscar Apfel; ''Al Bergon'', Paul Nicholson; ''Margie'', Marjorie Beebe; ''A Crook'', Ben Hewlett; ''Another Crook'', Jack Kenney. 
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Calm analvsis of the tragedv reveals unaccountable blunders. The Kid made two egregious mistakes and, though the explanation of each is obvious. both were out of keeping with his usual methods and his desperate character. He could have killed Poe and McKinney when he had them covered on the paren. He could have killed Garrett when he threw down nis zur on his shadowy form in the darkness. These were his life; he took advantage of neitrer. the dubious thought that the three me: 
of Maxwell's bent upon some pea : - Kid’s deadly trigger finger. I: i : like his true self to shoot first and 2 ; Yet he did nothing but ask qu perhaps for the first time in his hie re. result of his hesitation. According = than thirty seconds elapsed from tne entered Maxwell's room until he was x:.s2. Bluniering strangely from the beginning of tne Zz &lt;7 zs fatal termination, the Kid, in his last fan it is safe to say, did not know who SEES mim 

The mistake credited to Poe and “I:Ximnz savours of a momentary aberration in view of =ne¢ time. laze. and circumstances. Their failure to suspect &lt;=e Kid's identity is incomprehensible and their persizzencs in the belie that he was a harmless sheep herder. even arrer he had jerked out his gun, seems shesr szupilizw. Both were men of fine minds, and their dullness in such a desperate crisis is hard to explain. Either could have killed the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Upon his death, Charles Fritz, his brother, set about to wind up Colonel Fritz's affairs. But when he sought to obtain the will and insurance policy, Murphy refused to surrender either and justified his refusal on the grounds that Colonel Fritz had died owing him a large sum of money. No proof of such a debt was ever produced but Murphy declared the will contained a provision that he be reimbursed from the insurance. Murphy, it is said, kept the will in a tin can concealed in a secret crypt in the walls of his store in Lincoln, as there were few safes in the
country at that time, either for private or public funds. Whether there was such a provision in the will or not never was publicly known, as the will never was probated and Murphy was charged with having destroyed it. As for the insurance policy, the thrifty Murphy had hypothecated it with Spiegelberg Brothers, merchants of Santa Fé, for merchandise billed at $900.

McSween, employed by Charles Fritz and Mrs. Scholland as their lawyers, undertook the collection of the insurance. He paid the $900 out of his own pocket to the Spiegelbergs to square Murphy's account and, gaining possession of the policy, cashed it in full on a trip to the East and deposited the $10,000 in his own name in a bank in St. Louis. Murphy, it is said, still owed a considerable sum of money to McSween for legal services in the past.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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His wife from her more than equal living, as it sometimes is in women, has not such a dread of his really knowing when it comes to their ways of living, and then it is really only talking with him for now it is completely his own only way of living, and so she never listens to him, is deaf to him or goes away when he begins this kind of talking. But his children always stay and listen to him. They are ready very strongly to explain their new ways to him. But he does not listen to them, he goes on telling what he has done and what he thinks of them.

&quot;No I say I don't think you children ever will be good for something. No you won't ever know how to make a living, not if all the ways I have seen men make a success in working is any kind of use to tell from. Well, what, what do you know with all your always talking, what do you know about how good hard work is done now? What is it you know now, when there is nothing you can any of you ever do anyway I ever saw you trying? No there is too much education business and literary effects in you all for you ever to amount to something, and then you will be always wanting more and so you never will do anything when you have nobody there to always help you. I always tell your mother, she always spoils you wanting you should have all kinds of things that you are never really needing. Not that I have anything to say against your mother's ways of doing. Miss Jenny is the best girl I know, she is too good to you that's all, she spoils all you children the way it always is with a woman giving you all what will never help to make you good for something in any kind of a way to earn a living, what, alright, I say to you, you children have an easy time of it now always doing nothing. Well, what, you think you can do it better with all your literary effects you are all so proud of. Well alright, in a few years now we will see who knows best about you then, I say, you can show me what these new fangled notions and all your modern kinds of improvements and all your education business you and your mamma are now all so fond of can do for you. Yes I say, it is only a few years now and then we all can see how you can do it. No I never had it easy like you children and I had to make it all myself so you could have it different. Yes I am always saying it to you but you think you know it all by yourselves and you never listen to me. Yes it was very different once with me. Yes when I was younger than George here and my brother Adolph was no bigger than my little Hortense, we left home to come and make our way here. We did not have much money so all the family could not come over on the same ship together, and I remember how lonesome Adolph and I were when we went away from home alone together. I remember too while we were waiting in a big bare room for&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Considering the fuller context of binding precedents and where ''Lee'' fits comfortably within this jurisprudence, judicial review of the Order’s Section 2(a) is available in the instant case for at least four reasons. First, plaintiff seeks judicial review not of any individual security clearance decision, but of a publicly announced general policy governing security clearances for ''any member of a class of people''—here, the class consists of employees of plaintiff—which policy plaintiff alleges is constitutionally suspect on multiple bases. This is directly analogous to seeking review of an alleged “discrimination policy,” ''Webster'', 486 U.S. at 602, not based on any individualized assessments of any of the employees to whom the suspension applies. ''Lee'' addressed only a challenge to an individual “denial or revocation of security clearances,” 120 F.4th at 887, and does not foreclose review of challenges to general policies governing security clearances. Both ''Webster''
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{{uc|{{dropinitial|T}}he}} hush of a July night lay upon Lincoln. The dark, silent town seemed asleep under the peaceful stars.

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&quot;We've got the Kid at last,&quot; declared Peppin. &quot;There ain't no way for him to get away. We'll get him this time, dead or alive.&quot;

The Kid, with half-a-dozen other McSween partisans, fresh from the fight at Chisum's South Spring Ranch, had ridden in a few hours before and taken refuge in the McSween residence. Deputy Sheriff Turner, with twenty-five men, having trailed him all the way from the Pecos, had arrived in Lincoln a little later.

&quot;With Turner's posse, we've got sixty men in all,&quot; said Peppin. &quot;Nineteen Americans, the rest Mexicans. All good fighters. The Kid ain’t got no idea how many of us he's got to fight. He thinks he'll have easy picking. But he's in a trap. We'll spring it on him.&quot;

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{{uc|{{dropinitial|T}}he}} hush of a July night lay upon Lincoln. The dark, silent town seemed asleep under the peaceful stars.

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Anne Tonnetti
Marguerite Wernimont
Frances Ryan
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Sara Enright
Thomas, a Strong Man . . Dante Voltaire
A Snake Charmer . . Joan Clement
A Contortionist . . Richard Coolidge
A Riding Master . . Kenneth Lawton
A Juggler . . Francis G. Sadtler
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Luigi Belastro

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Luigi Belastro

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The young Dehnings had all been born and brought up in the town of Bridgepoint. Their mother too had been born in Bridgepoint. It was there that they had first landed, her father, a harsh man, hard to his wife and to his children but not very good with all his fierceness at knowing how to make a living, and her mother a good gentle wife who never left him, though surely he was not worthy to have her so faithful&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And this harsh hard man and his good gentle little wife had many children, and one daughter had long ago married Henry Dehning. It was a happy marriage enough for both of them, their faults and the good things they each had in them made of them a man and wife to very well content all who had to do with them.

All the Dehnings were very fond of Bridgepoint. They had their city and their country house like all the people who were well to do in Bridgepoint.

The Dehnings in the country were simple pleasant people. It was surprising how completely they could shed there the straining luxury and uneasy importance of their city life. Their country house was one of those large commodious wooden double affairs with a wide porch all around and standing well back from the road. In front and at the sides were pleasant lawns and trees and beyond were green open marshes leading down to salt water. In back was a cleared space that spread out into great meadows of stunted oaks no higher than a man's waist, great levels glistening green in the summer and brilliantly red in the autumn stretching away under vast skies, and always here and there was a great tree waving in the wind and wading knee deep in the rough radiant leafy tide.

Yes the Dehnings in the country were simple pleasant people. There they were a contented joyous household. All day the young ones played and bathed and rode and then the family altogether would sail and fish. Yes the Dehnings in the country were simple pleasant people. The Dehning country house was very pleasant too for all young men and boys, the uncles and the cousins of the Dehning family, who all delighted in the friendly freedom of this country home, rare in those days among this kind of people, and so the Dehning house was always full of youth and kindly ways and sport and all altogether there they all always lead a pleasant family life.

The Dehning family itself was made up of the parents and three children. They made a group very satisfying to the eye, prosperous and handsome.

Mr. Dehning was a man successful, strong-featured, gentle tempered, joyous and carrying always his fifty years of life with the good-nature of a cheerful boy. He enjoyed the success that he could boast that he had won, he loved the struggle in which he had always been and always conquered, he was proud of his past and of his present worth, he was proud in his three children and proud that they could teach him things he did not know, he was proud of his wife who was proud of such very different things. &quot;Oh Miss Jenny, she is the best girl I know,&quot;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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 | author   = Leonid Andreyev
 | translator = Gregory Zilboorg
 | year = 1949
 | section  = Introduction
 | contributor = Gregory Zilboorg
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 | next     = [[../Act I/]]
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|colspan=&quot;4&quot;|BASIC COUNTS FOR ALL HANDS 
|- class=&quot;_tr-h&quot;
|colspan=&quot;2&quot;| ||On Table||In Hand
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|Three-of-a-kind—Simples||2||4
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|Pair—Dragons of same color||2||2
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|{{ditto|Pair}}{{em}}Prevailing Wind||2||2
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|Any Flower||4||
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|colspan=&quot;4&quot;|DOUBLES FOR ALL HANDS
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|rowspan=&quot;5&quot;|One Double
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|colspan=&quot;2&quot;|Bouquet of Four Flowers||colspan=&quot;2&quot;|Four Doubles
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BONUS SCORES FOR WINNING HAND 
Mixed -Hand One - Double Cleared - H'd 
Game 
Mah Jong 
20 points 
Game 
20 points 
Game 
20 points 
2 
2 
1 
1 
1 
1 
1 
Winning by Draw 
Filling Only Place 
Last Playable Tile 
Loose -Tile Draw 
Robbing a Kong 
All Sequences 
No Sequences 
Terminals , with Honors 
One Suit, with Honors . 
All One Suit 
All Terminals 
3 Doubles * 3 Doubles * 3 Doubles 
66 
66 
266 
66 
266 
66 
1 Double 
1 Double 10 66 
66 
66 
1 
10 66 
66 
10 
66 
66 
66 
1 
10 
66 
166 
66 
10 
1 Double * 1 Double * 1 Double 
66 
*1 
*1 66 
All Honors 
Limit 
Limit 
+ Limit 
+ Limit 
+ Limit 
† Limit 
Three Small Scholars 
Four Small Blessings 
1 Double 
1 Double 
• 
66 
66 
1 
1 
1 
10 points 
10 
66 
66 
166 
1 Double 
Delayed Call .. 
* These doubles are also allowed to non -winning hands . 
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!Source 
!ISCC-NBS color designation with serial number from sec. 14
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|[Color], Slate (see Slate [Color])||M
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|Color, Slate (see Slate Color)||R
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|Color, Wax (see Wax Color)||M
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|Colour, Mast (see Mast Colour)||M
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|Commelina Blue||R||v.pB 194
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|Commodore||M||v.pB 194
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|Concord||M||d.V 212
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|Congo Pink||R||s.yPk 26, m.yPk 29
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|Continental Blue||P||d.pGy 234
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|Cookie||M||m.Br 58
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|Cool Eve||P||p.G 149
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|Coolie||M||m.pB 200, d.pB 201
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|Bright Copen Blue||T||brill. B 177, s.B 178
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|Copen Blue, Dusty (see |Dusty Copen Blue)||T
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|Light Copen Blue||T||l.B 181
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|Copenhagen||TC||gy.B 186
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|Copenhagen [Blue]||M||gy.B 186, gy.pB 204
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|Copper||M||gy.rO 39
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|Carnelian, Copper Red, Cornelian Red, Wax Red
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|Copper||P||m.rO 37
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|Copper||T||m.rO 37, m.O 53, brO 54
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|Copper Blue (same as Murillo)||M||m.B 182
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|Copper Brown||M||s.Br 55
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|Copperleaf||M||m.rBr 4 3
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|Coral||T||m.R 15, m.rO 37
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|Coral||TC||s.Pk 2
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|Coral, Amber (see Amber Coral)||P
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|Coral, Burnt (see Burnt Coral)||P
|-
|Coral, Chinese (see Chinese Coral)||H
|-
|Coral, Dusty (see Dusty Coral)||T
|-
|Coral, Golden (see Golden Coral)||P
|-
|Coral, Old (see Old Coral)||M,P
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|Coral, Pink (see Pink Coral)||M
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|Coral, Queen (see Queen Coral)||P
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|Coral, Shell (see Shell Coral)||P
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|Coral Blush||P||l.Pk 4, l.yPk 28
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|Coral Pink||H||m.yPk 29
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|Coral Pink||M||s.yPk 26
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|Coral Pink||P||s.yPk 26
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|Coral Pink||R||m.yPk 29
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|Light Coral Rose||T||s.yPk 26
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|Cordova||M||m.rBr 43
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|Boreal, Castellon||M
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|Cordovan||T||d.gy .yBr 81, Black 267
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|Woodland Brown||M||
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|Cordovan||T||d.gy .R 20, d.rGy 23, d.rBr 44, d .gy .rBr 47
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|Corinthian Pink||R||m.Pk 5
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|Corinthian Red||R||gy.R 19
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|Cork||TC||l.Br 57
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|Corker (same as Orchil)||M||m.pR 258
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|Cork Tan||T||l.Br 57
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|Corn, Golden (see Golden Corn)||M
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|Cornflower Blue||T||s.pB 196
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|Cornflower Blue||TC||s.pB 196
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|Corydalis Green||R||l.YG 119, p.YG 121
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|Cosmos||M||d.pPk 251
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|Cosmos Pink||P||v.l.P 221, v.p.P 226
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|Cossack Green||M||d.yG 137
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|Cossack Green||R||m.OlG 125, gy.OlG 127
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|Cosse Green||M||m.YG 120
|-
|Cosse Green||R||s.YG 117
|-
|Cotch (same as Auburn)||M||m.Br 58
|-
|Cotinga Purple (same as Imperial)||M||deep P 219, d. P 224, deep rP 238, d.rP 242
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|Cotinga Purple||R||deep P 219, m.P 223
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|Cotrine||M||d.OY 72, l.yBr 76
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|Courge Green||M||d.gY 103. l.Ol 106, m.YG 120
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|Courge Green||R||m.YG 120
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|Covert Gray||T||I.OlGy 112
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|Dark Covert Gray||T||l.OlGy 112, OlGy 113
|-
|Covert Tan||T||l.Ol Br 94, l.gy.Ol 109
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|Cowboy (same as New Bronze)||M||m.Br 58, gy.Br 61, m.yBr 77, gy.yBr 80
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|Cowslip||M||s.O 50, m.O 53
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|{{ts|pl1}}|Zinc Orange
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|Cowslip||P||1.O 52
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|Crabapple||M||m.rO 37
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|Crab Apple||TC||s.rO 35
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|Crab Pink||P||l.Pk 4, p.Pk7
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|Cracker||M||l.yBr 76
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|Cranberry||T||deep R 13, m.R 15
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|Crane||M||pGy 233
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|{{ts|pl1}}|Prince Grey
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|Crash||M||gy.Y 90, d.gy.Y 91, l.OlBr 94, l.gy. Ol 109&lt;noinclude&gt;{{nopt}}
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{{di|A}}{{uc|nd}} now, when merry winds do blow,
: And rain makes trees look fresh,
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: This mortal flesh.

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: And be by winds well blown—
The mystery of mortal life
: Doth press me down.

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: Shine Rainbow, Cuckoo call;
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: Red roses on my right,
And on my left side roses are
: A lovely white.

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: Lambs bleating all the day;
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: And children play.

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[''Humbly'']: No—we have—a son. After your sudden and mysterious disappearance when you left that strange and insulting letter——

{{csc|He}}

[''Laughs'']: Insulting? You are still able to feel insults? What are you doing here? Were you looking for me, or is it an accident?

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I have been looking for you, for half a year—through many countries. And suddenly, to-day—by accident, indeed—I had no acquaintances here, and I went to the circus. We must talk things over {{...}} {{sc|He}}, I implore you. [''Silence''.]

{{csc|He}}

Here is a shadow I cannot lose! To talk things over! Do you really think we still have something to talk over? All right. Leave your address with the porter, and I will let you know when you can see me. Now get out. [''Proudly''.] I am busy.
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[''The gentleman bows and leaves. HE does not return his bow, but stands with outstretched hand, in the pose of a great man, who shows a boring visitor the door''.]
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Michal—My father! O my father! Do not go!
Voices—Saul!
Loruhamah—(''as Saul turns at the sound of the voices and leaves the cave''.)
{{em|7}}Ashtoreth!
Michal— {{em|6}}My Father!
Voices— {{em|9}}Saul! Saul! Saul!
::: (''Michal sins weeping at the foot of the steps. Loruhamah comes slowly down to the front with uplifted arms of defiance to the gods''.)
Loruhamah—Again you gods of darkness and of hate—
: You thrones and crowns of everlastingness;
: You high above the multitude of stars,
: Immovable, hard and unchanging gods!
: Again you laugh and nod upon our pain
: And stare down gulfs perpetual of blue,
: Divinely lifted, deathlessly remote!
: No more shall you hear aught of stricken me—
: I go upon my way, supreme in love,
: And answer back to your indifference
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Catalogue No. 1227. [Pd. 29. 1. 031.]

4. Malay—''Gendang rebana''. (Plate IV fig. II right hand specimen.)

Bowl-shaped drum of mirabou wood, the top is closed by
Into the rim
a diaphragm of sheep's skin, the bottom is open.
of the bottom are driven ten square wooden pegs, their free ends
rest on and press against a circle of rattan round which pass
the rattan loops that secure the diaphragm the chief function
of this rattan circle and pegs is to act as an insulator, raising
the drum from the ground and so increasing its resonance. The
diaphragm is secured in the same way as shewn in Plate VII. fig.
1. except that the descending loops of rattan are in ten groups of
four or five loops, any one group being widely separated from
there are ten such groups and
that on either side of it
they correspond with the ten wooden pegs in the bottom rim of
the drum further, the edge of the diaphragm is doubled back to
cover the rattan lacing and this is kept in position by a single
encircling rattan laced through it.
;

;

;

Immediately before use the diaphragm is tightened by
pushing between it and the upper rim of the dram from the
inside a circle of thick unsplit rattan,

the

drum is not

in

use the sidak

Height 18 cm.; diam.
Catalogue No. 124G.

is

known

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Catalogue No. 1227. [Pd. 29. 1. 031.]

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Bowl-shaped drum of mirabou wood, the top is closed by
Into the rim
a diaphragm of sheep's skin, the bottom is open.
of the bottom are driven ten square wooden pegs, their free ends
rest on and press against a circle of rattan round which pass
the rattan loops that secure the diaphragm the chief function
of this rattan circle and pegs is to act as an insulator, raising
the drum from the ground and so increasing its resonance. The
diaphragm is secured in the same way as shewn in Plate VII. fig.
1. except that the descending loops of rattan are in ten groups of
four or five loops, any one group being widely separated from
there are ten such groups and
that on either side of it
they correspond with the ten wooden pegs in the bottom rim of
the drum further, the edge of the diaphragm is doubled back to
cover the rattan lacing and this is kept in position by a single
encircling rattan laced through it.
;

;

;

Immediately before use the diaphragm is tightened by
pushing between it and the upper rim of the dram from the
inside a circle of thick unsplit rattan,

the

drum is not

in

use the sidak

Height 18 cm.; diam.
Catalogue No. 124G.

is

known

as the sidak

;

when

kept coiled up inside the drum.

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rest on and press against a circle of rattan round which pass
the rattan loops that secure the diaphragm; the chief function
of this rattan circle and pegs is to act as an insulator, raising the drum from the ground and so increasing its resonance. The diaphragm is secured in the same way as shewn in Plate VII. fig. 1. except that the descending loops of rattan are in ten groups of four or five loops, any one group being widely separated from that on either side of it; there are ten such groups and they correspond with the ten wooden pegs in the bottom rim of the drum; further the edge of the diaphragm is doubled back to cover the rattan lacing and this is kept in position by a single encircling rattan laced through it.


Immediately before use the diaphragm is tightened by
pushing between it and the upper rim of the dram from the
inside a circle of thick unsplit rattan,

the

drum is not

in

use the sidak

Height 18 cm.; diam.
Catalogue No. 124G.

is

known

as the sidak

;

when

kept coiled up inside the drum.

at top, 44*5 cm.; diam. at bottom 24-8 cm.

[Pd. 28. 1. 03].&lt;noinclude&gt;

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One day mother was very sick in bed with neuralgia. How gloomy and lonely the house seemed to us children, we missed her so. Grandpa was caring for us children and doing the house work as best he could. Then mother was better and able to sit up trying to sew, saying she could not afford to be idle. Not long after this one day, I know it was Sunday, we were dressed in our Sunday suits, father was reading to us, a knock came on the door, the latch was lifted, the door opened and John McWilliams almost fell into the room, saying, &quot;Come both of you, my mother is dead.&quot; Then he sank into a chair and cried as if his heart would break. Mother arose from her easy chair saying &quot;Come Walter, we must go.&quot; Father tried to have her not go, telling her she was not able to go, she ought to be in bed as her face was still badly swoolen. The snow being deep and it was very cold. Neither father, grandpa, nor we crying children could stop her going. She was dressed in a short time and tried to have poor John eat. He could not eat, saying he must go right back to his dead mother. He left us and all was now commotion. Father and mother were now both going away into the cold, deep snow and leave us children with grandpa.

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{{ph|THEIR STORY OF THEIR JOURNEY AS THEY TOLD IT TO ME IN AFTER YEARS.}}

&quot;We traveled along the beach inside the ice banks, as snow was not quite so deep there and we felt safer from wolves. It was noon when we left home. We had about fifteen miles to go, I think, to reach Birch Point. The wind was keen and cut like a knife in our faces. I made your mother walk right behind me, knowing she could never stand the sharp wind. About two o'clock it began to snow so hard it was blinding in our faces. We kept on, and after awhile I saw your mother began to lag and could not keep up even when I walked slowly. It was already getting dark, as the days were so short. At last she said, {{'}}Walter, I am afraid I can't keep up any longer.{{'}} I said to her, {{'}}Yes, you must&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|BROTHER ANTHONY LOST IN THE WOODS.}}

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Father had made the casket and mother made the shroud. They buried the dear old lady beside the husband she loved so well. Two Indian hunters came that way on their return from hunting. They helped to dig the grave and stayed to bring mother home on their sleds. Mother baked and cooked for John, as they could not persuade him to come home with them to remain until spring. Mr. Frankle sent two men to see if father and mother were safe and they met them coming with the Indians. What happy children we all were to see them again. Bob was wild with delight to see father and mother, and when they learned how Bob had saved brother's life there was nothing too good for him. Old grandpa was so glad when they came home, for his trials were great with us four children. He said to father one day in broken English, &quot;Oh, Mr. Whitney, I so scare. I fraid you keel me when boy lost in wood. Bob one good dog, he fine heme quick. Bob worth ten thousand dollar. Me most crazy all time you gone. Baby she cry all night. Earache. Charley she cut he finger. Lewis he burn she's hand. Oh, I fraid we all go die sure!&quot;

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{{ph|JOHN'S STORY.}}

&quot;My people were well-to-do people with a comfortable home in Canada near the City of Toronto. My brother, being seven years older than I, had a good education, went to the city, became a clerk in a bank, got into bad company, forged a check on the bank and was arrested for forgery. Our farm and the old home went to clear him. He promised father to do better. We heard about these western islands and shores, and thinking this a good place to come with my brother where no one knew of our disgrace, we came, bringing fish nets and a boat. We fished all summer, doing well, but as fall came my brother became restless and discontented. He took the fish nets and boat and sold them all, leaving us nothing, then went we knew not where. This broke my old father's heart and mother soon followed him to the grave. Now I am left alone to battle with the world, but I shall never forget your kindness to me and mine.&quot;

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Soon the lamps were lighted and the men came in to supper. The young lady, Mr. Frankle's sister, had gotten the supper with mother's help. I remember the long table and white table cloth. The men were all seated at the table when Mr. Frankle came in the room with the little wee baby in his arms. He took the baby to the men and some of them took it in their arms and kissed it, tears rolling down their faces. Father told me later it made them think of home and their own little ones, for most of them&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|A LONGING FOR HOME.}}

Next morning I could not eat any breakfast, but kept calling for brother Charley, Bob and grandpa. Everything was so still and silent here in the big house. Oh the longing in a child's heart for the old familiar faces and home! Child that I was it seemed to me all that made life sweet had gone out of my life. I grew sick, I could not eat, and for several days lay on my little bed. Little Lilly tried to amuse me with her dolls and music box, but my heart was longing for grandpa, Charley and Bob. One morning father came and took me up and carried me into another room. There was Charley and Bob. It was a happy meeting with us all, but I felt too weak to play. At night father took Bob home and left Charley with us, but Charley, too, was not happy, he could not whittle his sticks or spin his top like he could at home. Mother, too, missed her home. Here everything was silent, and still all were very kind to us. But mother missed our noise and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|HAPPY HOME LIFE.}}

Life went on very happy with us children, our home was comfortable. After all the years that have passed so rapidly, methinks I can see us all as we were then around our pleasant fireside on many of those winter evenings. Little mittens had to be made for our hands. Little jackets and caps for the boys, in which all took an interest, and grandpa, too, did his share. He made little fur suits for the boys, caps and all. Father would read to us from the big family Bible and explain to us as he read. Then he would sing the hymns he loved so well, mother joining in. Then grandpa would sing with mother their French glee songs, while us children would join in. Then grandpa would rock me in the low cradle and the boys grew&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|BOB'S SYMPATHY.}}

Bob seemed almost to understand, as he would always come close to us and listen, looking at us with his great, kind eyes. Many times grandpa would cry as he related some of his most sorrowful experiences, of how some of his comrades had perished from cold and hunger, or of being drowned in crossing the great rivers. Then he would cover his face with his hands as if to shut out the sight of some loved one's suffering. Old Bob would whine and lick his old master's face and hands as if trying to comfort him, then run to father and whine. Father would go over to grandpa and say, &quot;Now don't cry any more, all that is past. You have not any more such trials to pass through. Now be happy with us.&quot; It always cheered him and soon he would be at work again. We children always sympathized with him, often shedding tears when he told his sorrowful tales and laughing with glee at some of his jolly ones. Sometimes mother would say, &quot;I do wish you would not tell the children so many sorrowful stories. It makes them sad to hear them.&quot; Then he would say, &quot;Me can't help it. Me sad too sometimes.&quot; The fur suits were finished and taken over to the big house for Mrs.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|INDIAN VILLAGE AND CHIEF OSSAWINAMAKEE.}}

The Indian village was about three miles distant back from the shore or river's mouth. There the Indians had a large settlement of about seven hundred people in all at that time. At one time their village had contained nearly three thousand. Since all tribes had been at peace many of their Braves had gone among other tribes to visit and hunt. This tribe was of the Ottawas, mixed with the Ojibewas or Chippewas. In times of war each had been a powerful nation. Most of these had lived in the Lake Superior region. After peace was declared part of the tribe wandered away to the southward seeking new hunting grounds. The present Chief's father had been a great warrior as well as his father before him. Chief Ossawinamakee (Big Thunder), was a peaceful man, ruling his people with great kindness. He was a noble looking man of fine personal appearance.

{{ph|THE LAKE OF ENCHANTMENT.}}

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{{ph|THE CHIEF'S DAUGHTER, &quot;STAR OF THE MORNING.&quot;}}

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{{ph|THE CHIEF AND HIS DAUGHTER VISITING US.}}

To me Mary seemed like some bright being from another world. Her voice was soft and sweet. She always came to our home with her father, the chief. Then she would take me in her arms, calling me her little white &quot;papoose.&quot; She would put me in my cradle, rocking and singing me to sleep with her quiet, soft voice. Many were the strings of beads and deer skin moccasins she gave me. She made me some dolls and put pretty dresses on them. She was always doing something nice for us children and was very fond of us. One day she asked little brother if he would give her little sister, meaning me, for one of her pretty pet fawns. He&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE CHIEF'S DEPARTURE.}}

I remember one day soon after breakfast Mary and her father came with a number of other Indians, Mary's aunt with the rest. A large canoe was packed and fitted out with all things necessary for a long voyage. The chief and Mary's aunt were going to Canada on a visit and Mary was to stay with us till her father returned. Her father took four men and Mary's aunt with him. Soon all was ready. They shook hands and away sped the bark canoe over the waves. Mary at first was sad to have her father go, but soon was cheerful again. She helped mother with her sewing and worked two pretty pairs of moccasins and made leggings and pretty garters. Some of the work was for her father. Time passed and it began to be time for the Chief's return. Mary grew restless as many storms came. She would look out over the waters for hours. Mother tried hard to comfort her and tell her all would be well. But Mary must see to believe. Her faith could not reach out very far into unseen things. Grandpa tried to comfort her. He would kneel down and pray for her father's return.

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{{ph|RETURN OF THE CHIEF OSSAWINAMAKEE.}}

One day soon after this I saw the Chief coming up the path to the house. He was not alone. Mary was lying in the swinging hammock. She gave a bound like a deer and reached the door just as her father came in. She threw her arms about his neck and fainted away. Mother put water on her face. She soon opened her eyes and smiled at her father. He took her hand and talked long to her. She looked past him and saw the strange young Indian standing beside the door. She gave a cry and put her hands to her face. Her father called him to come to them, speaking to them both. At last Mary gave him her hand and spoke the Indian greeting,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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On the day of the feast the sun shone clear and bright. Our boys were up early and all seemed to be in a hurry. Grandpa had made a little cart for Bob to draw me in, so Bob's harness was all trimmed with gay colored ribbons. Mother put on my little red dress and pretty beaded moccasins which Mary had made for me. Then I was put into the cart and old Bob trotted off so proudly, thinking perhaps of his younger days when he had brought the great loads of furs from the Lake Superior trapping grounds to the Sault and Mackinac Islands to be sold to the traders there. Those were proud days for the voyagers when all the village came out to meet them from their long trips. After crossing the river we were joined by the people on that side, who were a happy lot. This was a holiday for them all. An Indian feast which none had ever before attended. Something to write about to their far away homes. All went along singing. Old grandpa singing his French and Spanish glee songs&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE BEAUTIFUL LAKE AT THE INDIAN VILLAGE.}}

On that morning the lake was like a great mirror or a sea of glass, not a ripple stirred its surface and the beautiful trees were reflected on every side, hanging branches everywhere full of song birds, and swimming about near the shore were broods of ducks with their little ones among them. None seemed to be afraid of us. There were many young fawns wandering about and drinking from the lake. Mossy banks and many flowers. No one was allowed to harm the birds, fawns or ducks. The place seemed rightly named &quot;The Lake of Enchantment.&quot; I remember being carried into a wigwam and laid on a bed of skins and furs. I was so sleepy after my ride. When I awoke I found myself alone and being frightened began to cry. Very soon Bob came bounding in. I took him by the collar and when we were out of doors I saw a lot of Indian children with brother Lewis and Toney running and jumping with them. I saw mother and grandpa, with little brother, going into a large wigwam. I ran over to them. In the middle of this lodge was a great fire with many kettles hanging in which the dinner was being cooked for the feast. The lodge had been made on purpose for the (chemokamon) white man's cooking to be done. Grandpa and mother had full charge of this part. Father soon came and took little brother and me where many young Indians and the white&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE INDIAN MAIDEN IN HER WIGWAM.}}

After a time little brother and I wanted to see Mary, so father took us to her wigwam, which was covered with black bear skins. There we found Mrs. Frankle with her sister and the children. Mary was sitting on a bear skin rug with her hands folded and her eyes almost shut. I wish I could describe her as she looked sitting there in her dark beauty. I could not take my eyes off her. She raised her eyes and looked at me as if to know what I wanted or what did I see. Then she smiled and sprang to her feet, coming towards me. I backed away and gave a great sob just as I have felt since when looking at some beautiful picture. It seemed to thrill me through and through. She seemed almost to know my thoughts. She seemed almost afraid to move. At last she took me in her arms and, sitting down near Mrs. Frankle, the great tears rolled down her face. Mrs. Frankle put her face near Mary's and kissed her. Then the great sobs came. The Indian maiden may sob but never cry aloud like her white skinned sisters. I wondered why Mary should sob and the tears fall on my face when she was so beautiful and had such beautiful clothes.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We now heard a big drum and the barking of dogs. Then all the men with Mr. Frankle came and the Chief took Mary's hand. Father took me in his arms and we all went out where there were a great many Indians standing in a large circle. The Chief and his daughter went into the circle and all the white people followed. There were great skins of bear and other furs spread about for the chemokamon (white man) to sit upon, but all the Indians must stand while the Chief made his speech and gave the announcement of his daughter's marriage&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|CHIEF OSSAWINAMAKEE'S SPEECH.}}

The chief walked into the circle with a proud and haughty tread, waving his hand for all to be silent. I knew nothing of what he said, but my father told me when I was old enough to understand. I remember his form. He was tall and stately, with a fine appearance, and was dressed as became the chief of the proud Ottawa tribe. Many silver ornaments were on his breast. He talked a long time, while all listened in stately silence.

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Early next morning all was excitement at the Indian Village, for Mary's lover, Sha-wan-nib-in-asse, was dead. All suspicion pointed to the Canadian Indian poisoning him through jealousy. The Indian women told my mother at the feast that all the week they had feared the two young men would fight, as they hated each other with a deadly hatred. Now the whole village was ready to kill the Canadian Indian, as none had ever liked him for the rea-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|BURIAL OF SHA-WAN-NIB-IN-ASSE.}}

They buried the young lover with great honor, buried him with the sound of the muffled drum. Father made the casket and mother was there to help them. They dressed him in the pretty leggings and moccasins Mary had made for him, putting the other pair with bows and arrows, silver breastplates. with a small kettle and wooden ladle and gun, into the casket as was their custom when burying their dead. They buried him beside the peaceful little lake where the branches of the trees were filled with singing birds. Though a child of the forest he had loved Mary with a pure and holy love.
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My father had now finished his contract with Mr. Frankle at the mill. Hearing that there were many people settling on &quot;Beaver Island,&quot; several families that we knew from York State, Ohio and Canada, he made up his mind to go there. Our goods were put on board the staunch little ship &quot;Eliza Caroline,&quot; the vessel my father had built the year before. The Chief and his daughter Mary came to say good-by. Good-bys were said to our good neighbors across the river in the big house. We had all become very dear friends to each other. There were many kind wishes and God-speeds for us when the Captain said &quot;all aboard.&quot; White sails were set and we glided from the river out onto Lake Michigan just as the sun was sinking in the west. Darkness soon shut out the forms of our friends that stood waving to us from the shore. We knew we were once more out on the water on God's great rolling cradle of the sea. We children, with mother and grandpa, said our prayers in the little cabin and were soon fast asleep with the sound of the rippling waves singing to us a sweet lullaby of peace and rest.
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{{ph|BEAVER ISLAND CHOSEN AS A KINGDOM.}}

Strang felt his defeat very keenly and withdrew with a few of his followers who had entire belief in his revelations. He now went to Kirtland, Ohio, where a Mormon temple had been built as a place of worship for the Latter Day Saints, as they are now commonly known. Strang soon became restless. Brigham Young had already gone with a large number of Smith's followers to Salt Lake City, Utah. Strang wanted more territory, more privileges, which he knew he could not have in Kirtland, so he began to look about for a place where he could establish a kingdom over which he could rule with undisputed sway. Being a lawyer and understanding the law so perfectly he knew he could not carry out his plans unless he found some secluded place where the law of the land could not easily reach him, and where could he find a place better suited to carry out his plans than Beaver Island? In 1846, two years prior to Strang's coming to Beaver Island to establish his kingdom he was on his way west to Wisconsin. The steamer he took passage on was driven into Beaver Harbor to seek shelter from a storm. When Strang, was telling all this to my father he said. &quot;When my eyes first rested on Beaver Island I thought it the most beautiful place on earth.&quot;

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Strang had already settled in his mind to locate at Cheboygan, Mich., having looked over the location. Mackinac Island being just near enough for him to get their supplies. At that time Mackinac Island was the largest fish market in northern Michigan, furnishing supplies to the whole north shore and fishermen among the great number of islands, its several stores furnishing everything necessary to the people around and being in close touch with the outside world, having a post-office and mails coming there from Detroit.

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{{ph|PAYMENT TIME FOR THE INDIANS.}}

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{{ph|THE INDIANS AND THEIR ISLANDS.}}

There was a large band of Indians living on Garden Island, three miles distant north from Beaver Island. This island had been deeded to them by the government as their own. Also another island about six miles west of Beaver Island, called High Island. Both these Islands were fertile, covered with heavy timber, and both afforded good fishing opportunities with good harbors at each island. Strang's people never having seen Indians before were naturally very timid, especially when the Indians gathered at Beaver Harbor to sell their fish and being friendly often called at the Chemokamon's house. The Indian being of an inquisitive nature, wanted to see how the white brothers lived in their homes. Strang himself said he felt none too sure of his own life when he saw so many coming to his home, but the Indians and their squaws with their papooses on their backs, that being the fashion of carrying their young children, were always smiling and good natured, which very soon reassured Strang and his people that they were friendly and meant them no harm. At first the Mormons always kept their doors locked and barred. Strang soon preached to them to leave their doors open to their Indian friends, which they did with the faith that their King knew best.
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About the time my people came to Beaver Island the property at the Point in Beaver Harbor was just changing hands, Mr. Alva Cable having sold his dock and buildings to a Mr. Peter McKinley from Painesville, Ohio, who came with his family and took possession at once, putting in a supply of provisions for the fall trade with the fishermen.

Strang soon called on our people, and was anxious to have my father build our home near the Mormon settlement at the harbor, promising there would be plenty of work, as more of his people were constantly coming. Strang was so friendly and sent many of his people to call on us. His wife also called on us. She was a bright, sensible, noble woman, and we found her friendship was true. My mother being a nurse, Strang told her he would always be glad of her assistance when any of his people were sick. Our people had never heard about Mormons before and knew nothing about their belief or doctrine. Mother told me many times afterward it seemed very strange to her seeing the Mormon women dressed in short dresses with hair cut short and keeping Saturday for their Sunday. When mother spoke to them about it they told her that King Strang had all these revelations from God and that, he being their leader, they must obey what he said.

{{ph|FIRST SETTLERS.}}

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{{ph|PREPARING FOR WINTER.}}

The winter of 1849 was an extremely cold winter, with heavy ice and deep snows. Our summer boarders had all packed and gone to their homes. Father had brought our provisions home and packed it away for winter use. Many of our Mormon neighbors with their children came often to see us, and we children played with them. Mr. Loaney had some cows and Auntie Loaney was always bringing us milk as well as to her Mormont neighbors. Our boys and father and mother were very busy making a large fishing seine for a man in Ohio who was coming the next spring.

{{ph|GOING OVER TO THE POINT TO DINNER WITH THE MCKINLEYS.}}

Before the ice came in the fall father took us all in our boat across to the Point so mother could do some shopping. Mr. McKinley was a very kind and pleasant man and would have us go to his house for dinner. He wanted us to get acquainted with his family. Father took us over to their nice, large and comfortable home. Mrs. McKinley was very kind and seemed pleased to see us. She was a pretty, bright-faced woman, slender, with dark hair and eyes. She had three little girls, Sarah the eldest, Effie and Mary. We children were soon acquainted, playing with the dolls and having tea with the children's little dishes. Mr. McKinley had a sister living with&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Soon after this the cold snows of winter were upon us, ice made very fast. We heard no more the whistle of the boats, and saw no more the white sails of the vessels and fish boats that sailed in and out of the pretty harbor. I was young, yet I remembered and missed all these things.

{{ph|KIND NEIGHBORS.}}

I was never tired going over to see Uncle and Auntie Loaney, as they taught us children to call them. They were a dear old couple and loved us the same as if we were their own. I remember the pretty large cat with the little white kittens. When she gave me bread and milk I would sit on her clean white floor, and it was hard to know which ate most of that bread and milk, myself or the cats. I used to take my dolls over and stay days at a time with Auntie, and when mother came after me she would say, &quot;Oh don't take her away home. Sure you have four and I have none at all. at all. Now you must leave me one.&quot; Then little brother Charley would go and stay a while with them until he got lonely for the rest of us. In that way we took turns being with our kind, good neighbors all the time we lived near them. Some of us were always with them. They had a son married and doing business in Toronto. The next year he came to visit them for a month. Then how pleased she was to tell Michael how good we little children were to her. We children all loved them dearly.
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{{ph|BOB'S NEW FRIEND.}}

I remember one day Uncle Loaney coming in and saying to father, &quot;Sure Mr. Whitney, why don't you kill that old dog? He is good for nothing and can't stand up any more.&quot; That was enough, little brother and I began to cry and then poor old grandpa, the tears rolled down his cheeks, and when he could speak he said in his broken English, &quot;Oh don't keel Bob, you keel Bob me die too. Me and Bob good friends good many year. Oh no keel Bob.&quot; Then father explained what a long time Bob had lived and been with grandpa and how he had saved brother Toney's life the winter before. Then how sorry Uncle Loaney was, saying. &quot;Yes let poor Bob live as long as he can.&quot; After that many were the little pails of milk sent to Bob.

{{ph|SUFFERING OF THE PEOPLE.}}

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{{ph|CARING FOR THE SICK AND DYING.}}

Mother soon came home, telling of the want and suffering among the people. The King had gone from the Island on the last boat, leaving them to fare as best they could. They had come to the Island too late to plant anything that season and none of them knew how to fish or help themselves. They suffered cold, hunger and death that winter without complaint of their King. Their whole cry was &quot;Oh, if our King were only here.&quot; There was some one every day to our house and Aunt Loaney's. The Mormons were in a starving condition. Father gave to them until he feared we should be left with nothing. Grandpa was afraid we children would be left hungry, so he buried many things for us. Mother and Auntie were always busy cooking and carrying food to the sick and dying. Mrs. McKin-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|RETURN OF SPRING AND COMING OF STRANG.}}

Spring had come. Our good old steamboat &quot;Michigan&quot; had come to our harbor once more. Strang also came. He was just as calm and serene as usual, nothing seemed to disturb him. His wife did not return until later in the season. He soon came to our house and seemed very grateful to our people for their kindness to his suffering people during his absence. When mother told him how much they had suffered he laughed, saying, &quot;Oh, they must get used to Island life and expect to have some hardships.&quot; Soon the boats came and brought more Mormons. Those that came now were more comfortable and seemed to have more&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|JAMES CABLE SETTLING AT THE HEAD OF BEAVER ISLAND.}}

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{{ph|STRANG'S REVELATIONS.}}

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{{ph|ROBBING THE GENTILES.}}

His people soon began to take from the Gentiles whatever they could get. Up to this time the feeling between the Mormons and Gentiles had been very friendly, the fishermen being glad to have the Island settled with a good peaceful people as they had until now seemed to be. Mr. Peter McKinley at the Point was now suffering considerable losses by the Mormons taking his cattle and butchering them, also other goods which they were taking. A young man, or boy, Wheelock by name, told or gave information about the butchering of the cattle. He&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|WHIPPING OF THOMAS BEDFORD.}}

A man by the name of Thomas Bedford was employed by Mr. Peter McKinley. He also gave some information about the stealing of property by the Mormons, and he also received seventy-five of the cruel stripes with the &quot;blue beaches.&quot; For this awful treatment Mr. Bedford swore revenge. The Mormons never proved that Mr. Bedford had given any information about their stealing goods from Mr. McKinley, but just concluded he had and gave him the awful punishment. So Bedford bided his time for revenge.

Strang had now a great number around him who sought his favor and were ever ready to do his bidding and many times did things he did not sanction. There were some good, kind, peaceable people that knew nothing about the working of the inner circle that surrounded the king. There was one apostle that aimed to take the King's place and be ruler himself. He was a cruel and crafty man. He took charge of all things among the people in Strang's absence.
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The Mormons were now building a temple after the pattern of the one at Kirtland, Ohio, and I believe of the same size. They had already built a saw mill so they could manufacture their own lumber. They had built a large building made of logs hewn on both sides. This was fitted up as a printing office and Strang edited a paper called the &quot;Northern Islander.&quot; The printing office still remains and was turned into a hotel and is known as the Gibson House of St. James. The Mormons were a very busy people. Those that were improving their farms and building their homes had nothing to do, as a rule, with the making of Strang's laws. He had his council men, his twelve apostles, besides elders under the apostles, members of the households of twelve. They did the voting and had all to do with making the laws, that is the laws that governed the conduct of their people. Strang had the revelations and the council of twelve voted it a law. And they had the power to enforce the law and punish any who disobeyed. So far the King had preached against polygamy and said that it should not be allowed, although there were a number of Mormons that had a number of wives apiece. Strang allowed it to be so, as he said they had practiced the law according to Joseph Smith's doctrine, and having several wives apiece he told them they might keep them, but that no more should be taken. So the men who had more than one wife kept them. Strang had many people now to control,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|STRANG'S REVELATION OF POLYGAMY.}}

Now the King had a new revelation that polygamy must be practiced. When he made it known to his people it gave them a great shock, as their minds had been made up that this was not to be. Strang very soon obeyed the &quot;Divine Command&quot; by taking a spiritual wife, or as the Mormons called it, &quot;being sealed.&quot; Mrs. Strang, his wife, packed her clothing and taking her three children with her, left the Island, never coming back to live with him again. Strang was absent when she left, so she met with no opposition. She came back to the Island twice during his absence, gathering the people together in the temple, talking and pointing out to them the error of practicing such a doctrine, and both times she came she burned the robes which the King wore when preaching in the temple. Mrs. Mary Strang was greatly loved by all his people that knew her. Of course the King was not pleased with the interference of Mrs. Strang.

{{ph|&quot;CHARLES DOUGLAS.&quot;}}

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{{ph|A MAN WITH SEVERAL WIVES.}}

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{{ph|BOB'S DEATH.}}

One morning I missed Bob. I always ran to see him when I first got up. Sometimes it was very hard for Bob to walk, and when the warm spring sunshine came our boys and grandpa would put Bob in a nice place to lay. Now I could not find him, and when I saw mother I saw that she had been weeping and was now silent when I asked her about Bob. I ran over to Auntie Loaney's. There was grandpa. He was sobbing as if his heart would break and our boys were trying to comfort him by telling him Bob had not suffered a moment. Then I realized, Bob, my old friend, was dead, and I sobbed, &quot;Oh, boys, what made you kill Bob?&quot; Then they tried to explain. I could not listen. I could not understand why it should be done. Then Auntie and Uncle&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Father now thought it best to move to the head of the island, his work being there with Mr. Cable. We were beginning to fear the Mormons, as they had greatly changed toward us. In their travels up and down the island they most always stopped at our house. And sometimes there would be five or six, and very often they would ask for a meal, which we never refused to give them. Very often they remained all night, and then they were always sure to let us see the big knives they carried hanging to the belt they wore. Towards the last of our stay they carried a gun with them as well. When they came to our doors they never rapped, but simply walked in and helped themselves to a chair. We were told by some of their own people who were disgusted with Strang's doctrine that these men were just obeying the King's commands. He was trying to make all the Gentile people know the Mormons were to have their own way on the island. Just as fast as the Gentiles moved away from the Mormon settlement the Mormons followed and built their homes near to them. The Bennett brothers had already left their home at the harbor and gone to the Gentile settlement.
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Strang had now got the county organized, being attached to Mackinac county; later it was changed to Manitou county. The county seat and post office was at the harbor, named in honor of the King &quot;Saint James.&quot; The island was divided into three districts and townships. The town at the harbor was named in honor of the Indian Chief at Garden Island, town of &quot;Peain.&quot; The district at the head of the Island was called Gallilee, the center, Troy, the lower. Enoch. Strang was always very kind to the Indians, trying hard to have the Chief &quot;Peain&quot; give him one of his handsome daughters for a wife, which the Chief refused to do. Strang now established a school for the Indians at his own expense, sent a young Mormon over to Garden Island, where he taught school for three years. At a later date the government appointed teachers and gave many years of schools to the 'Indians, my husband being one of the teachers appointed. Chief &quot;Peain&quot; ruled his tribe with great kindness and firmness. He was a man of noble appearance. Their tribe was the Ottawas. Myself and husband remained on their island as teachers two years, from '62 to '64. Chief &quot;Peain&quot; was always the friend of the Chemokamon (white man.)

{{ph|MOUNT PISGAH AND INLAND LAKES.}}

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The group of islands near Beaver Island can be seen from &quot;Mount Pisgah.&quot; High Island, Trout Island, Squaw Island, which now has a fine lighthouse erected upon it. Rabbit Island and Garden Island, with Hog Island off nine miles to the east. All these Islands show from this mountain, and on a clear day it is a beautiful sight to look upon. Lake Michigan, with its dark blue waters, with so many pretty islands covered with green trees, and the white pebbly and sandy beaches, where the white sea gulls are constantly soaring about or resting upon the water. The island was very beautiful when the Mormons first went there. At that time no timber had been cut off. One can appreciate its beauty only by going out into its center and among its pretty lakes. When my people first came there to live there were still traces left of the &quot;Beaver dams&quot; where the busy beavers had made their homes about the little lakes. This is why the island was named &quot;Beaver&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|WILD ANIMALS AND BIRDS.}}

At one time while I lived on the island there were several deer supposed to have come across the ice from the north shore. There was an abundance of wild duck, pigeons, partridges and wild birds of many different kinds. Foxes were plentiful, both grey and red, and once and a while a black fox. Lynx and wild cats were seen, and one old hunter declared he heard a &quot;panther.&quot; These wild animals traveled many times across the ice in winter time from the north shore, and very often the foxes crossed from one island to another in the winter. At this date there are no wild animals, unless there might be some wild cats. I saw a wild cat that was shot there in 1882. One great reason that made the island so desirable a place to live at that time was its splendid fishing grounds. No one need to be without money in those days. Fish always brought a good price, and at the time of our Civil war brought a very high price. There were many large cooper shops run. These furnished barrels to the fishermen to pack and salt their fish in. The cooper trade was followed by a great many men. They came to the island from the cities to work through the summer season, then going home again for the winter. The climate being so pure many recovered their health that had lost it. At the present time the barrel trade is a thing of the past. Fish are packed in ice and shipped to the market&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Early the next morning after the storm some Indians at Cross Village went to the beach to see if their canoes were all secure. The first object they saw was the boat of their neighbor drifting along the shore. No one was to be seen in the boat. They waited until the boat came in reach so they could pull it out from the breakers that still ran high. The boat was almost full of water. They took the water out as soon as possible, and in among the quilts lay little three-year-old Rebecca. She still breathed, her body was warm. The Indians in their excitement delayed taking the child to the house,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Oh the sadness, it was hard. It seemed sometimes Mr. Bennett could not survive the shock. None of the other bodies were ever recovered. Mrs. Bennett was a very beautiful woman with a sweet, loving disposition.

{{ph|THE KING'S RESIDENCE.}}

About this time King Strang decided to build a residence for himself. He made the plans and called it the &quot;King's Cottage.&quot; The King came to our house asking my father to go to the harbor and help build his house. He wanted him to do the framing, and father, not being very busy, and not liking to refuse the King, went. Father was gone about six weeks, coming home often to see how we were at home. He boarded at the house where there were four wives. The King's Cottage was built very strong. A story and a half high with a porch across the front. The wide hall went right through the center, with massive strong doors at front and back, and with an open stairway. On each side of the hall was a large room, two bedrooms, hall and closets upstairs. A white picket fence about the yard with a nice garden spot on the hillside. It was a pleasant, cosey home, and the location was most beautiful, looking out on the harbor and Lake Michigan. The house was in the midst of a lovely&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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While father was there Ştrang invited him to dinner one day in his own home, as he said he wanted him to see how a man could get along with several wives. My father went and had a fine dinner, and Strang was very gay, entertained with many jokes and stories. The four wives had very little to say, but were smiling and pleasant and seemed very anxious to please the King.

{{ph|THE KING'S JOKES.}}

Strang joked about soon adding some more wives and soon starting a school for his own children, at which they all laughed. He talked continually, trying to have them all know that he was the king and having authority to rule his subjects as he pleased. When dinner was ended they went to the new cottage, Strang and the favorite wife, the other three women remained at home. Father said none&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|OUR MORMON NEIGHBORS.}}

The winter of 1851 my brother Lewis went to Ohio to school; my father was very sick that winter. We had two Mormon neighbors that were very kind to us. One was a good doctor, and he took care of father almost constantly with help from others. The other Mormon friend was an apostle in the church. He and his wife lived near us. He had charge of the people that lived near the Gentile settlement. They were very nice people. Both&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|STRANG AND HIS FAVORITE WIFE.}}

When he was leaving he said to mother, &quot;Come over to Sinclair's. My wife is there. We have a nice baby. Come and see our baby boy.&quot; Mother took me with her to the apostle's home. There we saw the King and his favorite wife, Charles Douglas, and their baby. I, being fond of babies, wanted to hold him. I sat in a little chair and the mother put the child in my arms. The King was afraid I would let the baby fall. He never let go the child's dress. He seemed very fond of the child, and it was plain to be seen that this was his favorite wife. Most of the time he called her &quot;Charles&quot; and sometimes Elvira. She was very sweet and seemed very fond of her baby, yet her face seemed sad when not smiling. Her manner was quiet and her voice low. Before we left Strang took me on his lap, asking if I did not want to go to school. I&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Very soon after our visit to the apostle, we were startled one morning to hear several boats and nets had been taken by the Mormons, with many barrels of fish from the store houses near the lighthouse point at the head of the island. Some Ohio fishermen had stored their fish and other property expecting to come back in the spring, leaving a man to look after the property. The ice was just breaking up in the lake. The Mormons took everything to the harbor. Our people saw them passing very early in the morning. All were well armed and ready to resist any interference from the Gentiles. We Gentiles were very frightened, fearing they would take our provisions from us, as there were all sorts of rumors. Mr. Cable had a store with a stock of all kinds of merchandise for their spring trade. He feared they would demand the keys and take possession of his goods. There was very little sleep for several nights among us. Our Mormon friends who were true to us advised us all to keep very quiet and not be seen talking with them. They kept us posted as much as possible. The Gentiles made preparations to defend themselves. The Mormons took the boats and nets to the north shore, concealing them in the woods, making it appear the north shore fishermen did the plundering. The owners of the property recovered&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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At the harbor all was gaiety. Their theater was kept going to amuse the people with dancing parties every week. The King made it a point to entertain the sailors when vessels were detained by rough weather, and they began to think Beaver Harbor was not a bad place to be weather-bound. They found King Strang a charming entertainer. With opening of navigation the summer people came, and our house was again full of boarders. We had built a comfortable house, which was almost complete. Our regular boats were calling, business had started up and we all felt more secure from the Mormons as so many people were coming. Fishing was good, money plenty and everybody was busy. Strang had gone with his wife and child to attend outside affairs. The head apostle was in charge of everything and there was much dissatisfaction among many of his people. Several felt fear for their life, if they disobeyed the King's command. Among these was the Apostle Sinclair.

{{ph|THE KILLING OF BENNETT.}}

The Bennetts were living not a great distance from us. Sam, as the younger brother was called, had married a young lady from Detroit, a Miss Sullivan. Thomas now boarded at his brother's home, and was still very sad over the loss of his wife and children. I had been visiting a week with Mrs. Bennett and returned home in the morning. In the afternoon a message came to our house&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|TO BE BROUGHT DEAD OR ALIVE.}}

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{{ph|STRANG HAVING DINNER WITH US.}}

Strang walked in, seating himself in a chair, saying: &quot;Good morning, Mrs. Whitney.&quot; Mother greeted him very coolly, as she had not seen him since Bennett's death. How my heart did beat when he asked where my father was. Then I was sure he wanted to take me away to the harbor to school. Mother told him father would soon be in to dinner, which she was then preparing. Strang said: &quot;I guess I will stay to dinner, Mrs. Whitney, and have some of your nice baked whitefish, which I see you have.&quot; He saw her putting it into the oven. He talked about many things and after a little while he said, &quot;Where is your little girl?&quot; Then I was sure he would take me away. I wanted to scream, but kept quiet. Mother told him, &quot;The child is afraid of you since you had Bennett killed.&quot; He came over to the bed, getting down on his knees, saying, &quot;Come out, child; I will not hurt you. Come and sit on my lap.&quot; I drew back. He pulled me out by the hand, taking me in his arms and sitting in the chair he stroked my hair, saying: &quot;I will not hurt you, child. Do not be afraid of&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|MY APPOINTMENT AS LIGHT-KEEPER.}}

Life to me then seemed darker than the midnight storm that raged for three days upon the deep, dark waters. I was weak from sorrow, but realized that though the life that was dearest to me had gone, yet there were others out on the dark and treacherous waters who needed to catch the rays of the shining light from my light-house tower. Nothing could rouse me but that thought, then all my life and energy was given to the work which now seemed was given me to do. The light-house was the only home I had and I was glad and willing to do my best in the service. My appointment came in a few weeks after, and since that time I have tried faithfully to perform my duty as a light keeper. At first I felt almost afraid to assume so great a responsibility, knowing it all required watchful care and strength, with many sleepless nights. I now felt a deeper interest in our sailors' lives than ever before, and I longed to do something for humanity's sake, as well as earn my own living, having an aged mother dependent upon me for a home. My father had passed beyond. Sorrows came thick and fast upon me. Two brothers and three nephews had found graves beneath the deep waters, but mine&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|DEATH OF MY HUSBAND, THE LIGHT-KEEPER.}}

Life seemed very bright in our light house beside the sea. One dark and stormy night we heard the flapping of sails and saw the lights flashing in the darkness. The ship was in distress. After a hard struggle she reached the harbor and was leaking so badly she sank. My husband in his efforts to assist them lost his life. He was drowned with&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|VESSELS SEEKING SHELTER FROM THE STORMS.}}

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Soon after I was married Alexander Wentworth, one of the men that shot Strang, boarded with us for several weeks. He came back to the island to visit and see how things were prospering. He was a fine looking and intelligent man, very quiet in his manner. We had several other boarders at the same time, people who came to see King Strang's Island. Alec, as they always called him, was their guide to show them the best fishing streams and take them to hunt ducks and wild pigeons. I often talked with Wentworth about the shooting of Strang, asking him if he had any regrets about what he had done. He said, &quot;I have never yet regretted what I did. The Mormon life was bad, and there was no good in it as I can see and I would not live it over again for anything.&quot; The place he liked to go best was to little Font Lake to the &quot;Johnson House,&quot; his wife's old &quot;Island Home.&quot; This had been the second season he came. After that he never came again and we never heard from him any more.

{{ph|MY HUSBAND APPOINTED LIGHT-KEEPER.}}

The winter of 1865 we spent a very pleasant winter in Northport, the next winter in Charlevoix, where we had built us a new home on Bridge street. We sold and returned again to the island, engaging in the fishing business quite extensively for a few years.

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{{ph|BURNING OF THE MORMON TEMPLE.}}

At the time the Mormons left the island the temple was left standing. The excitement was so great and the Gentiles feared the Mormons might return with another leader in Strang's place, so they thought best to burn the temple. It was of the exact pattern as the one at Kirtland, Ohio, as Strang had built it after the same plans. The building was all up and inclosed, but not yet finished. The large room used for preaching was also used for the council room.

{{ph|ROCKY MOUNTAIN OR INDIAN POINT.}}

In my rides about the island there were many narrow paths in every direction and the young growth of trees made it almost impossible to pass through. We would come upon many little log cabins in the dense woods with no clearing except a small yard and I wondered why this was so. I was told these were some of the places where they used to secrete stolen goods, it being such an out-of-the-way place and in the dense woods no one would expect to find a house. One of the band of &quot;Forty Thieves&quot; who lived with us a few months after I was married and keeping house, told us there were&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE SECRET SOCIETY.}}

Many have been the hours spent, and days even, by people hunting to find the hull of a schooner which was said to have been sunk off Little Sand Bay, myself among the rest, and several times we were sure we could see the hull of the vessel lying at the bottom of the lake several rods from shore. We often went rowing and sailing in that direction and we were sure to say, &quot;Let's look for the wreck.&quot; I asked the young man that boarded with us about it, as he had once been a member of the &quot;Secret Society.&quot; I said, &quot;Is it true? Has there been such things done?&quot; He said, &quot;If only these stones could talk they would tell you of some things that would horrify you, and though I am free from Mormon rule, I would not dare to tell you some things which our band was sworn to do. We were trained for our work and were known among ourselves as the &quot;Secret Society.&quot; It meant sure death to any of us to betray anything pertaining to our business.&quot; He was only eighteen at the time he joined the &quot;Secret Society.&quot; He often had spells of great sadness and many nights walked the floor because he could not sleep. Once I said to him, &quot;Did the King ever give you orders what to do?&quot; He said, &quot;At first the orders were given our captains by the King, but it was not long before we never waited for orders from headquarters. We did what we found to do.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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In one of my rides with Mary we went to the place called &quot;Rocky Mountain Point,&quot; where the forty thieves had their rendezvous. It was a lonely place, with the waves rolling in over the rocky shore where we went to the beach and the woods were dense. I had heard so many stories of the Mormons' doings there I felt afraid and told Mary I wanted to hurry away, which we did as fast as our horses could travel through the path. When we came to &quot;Page Town&quot; then the spell was broken. No one could look upon this beautiful place and feel fear. The view is grand out over the water to the neighboring islands and the evergreens are most beautiful. &quot;Page Town&quot; is just on the Lake Michigan side of Font Lake. We could see the Johnson House as we rested on the bank of the lake. There were about a dozen houses scattered about, some right near the bank and others back in among the evergreens. It was named in honor of Mr. Page, who first built his house there with several of his relatives. The location is most beautiful. At this spot Lake Michigan is not quite a half mile from Font Lake.
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{{ph|VISITING THE LIGHT KEEPER AND HIS WIFE.}}

From there Mary and I turned our horses' heads toward the point to visit the light keeper and his wife. They were a dear old couple. They would not let us go before we had tea with them. Their children were all married but one daughter. She was visiting with her sister, Mrs. E. Kanter, in Detroit, and expected to remain there for the winter. The old couple had a young boy named Anthony Frazier living with them. Their home was a marvel of neatness. Their name was Granger. He had been light-keeper at Bois Blanc, near Mackinac Island. His son had taken his place and Mr. Lyman Granger had come to take charge of Beaver Island harbor light, just erected the year before. They took us in the tower to see the lamp It was in beautiful order. Mrs. Granger seeing to the polishing of the lamp and fixtures herself. A few years later I was married and lived neighbor&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|OUR SCHOOL TEACHERS.}}

There were always good schools at the island, having several teachers from the city at different times. I will mention a few of our city and island teachers. The city teachers were Miss Ann E. Granger, Detroit; Clara Holcomb, Fremont, Ohio; Miss Belle and Hattie Buckland, Buffalo, N. Y.; Miss J. Voas and Miss J. V. Wilkes, both of Buffalo, N. Y. Our island teachers were C. R. Wright, Michael F. O'Donnell, Miss Effie McKinley, Miss Sarah O'Malley, Miss Sarah J. Gibson, Miss Annie Gibson, and many others. There were two brothers, Charles and George Gillett, of Detroit, Mich. They came several summers. Both were fine musicians. They were sure to be on our first boat in the spring, remaining until fall. One spring Charles came alone. The younger brother had died during the winter. We missed his pleasant face and sweet music. When the other brother returned home that fall he took a bride with him, marrying Miss Clara Holcomb, of Fremont, Ohio. Life on the island was never dull. Our summer friends were pleasant, friendly people, making the life happier by&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|GOING TO MACKINAC ISLAND.}}

I was again on board the steamer Michigan. The same captain, the same crew; Jane, the cabin maid was there with her pleasant smile. There were several passengers from Green Bay going to Mackinac Island, for it was payment time. Among the passengers was Mr. Scott, of Green Bay, who once lived at Mackinac Island. Another was Mr. Michael Dousman, he being another that had lived many years on Mackinac Island. His home then being in Milwaukee. When we landed at Mackinac Island the entire beach from Mission House Point to the place where the &quot;Grand&quot; now stands was filled with a row of Indian wigwams.

There were Indians wearing their blankets and the women dressed in bright gay colors with their papooses strapped on their backs in their Indian cradles. The cradles were trimmed with gay colored ribbons. Dogs and children were all mixed up together. Many squaws were pounding Indian corn to make soup for their supper. The streets near the water at Mackinac looked very bright in their gay colors. Indian women and their children were strolling and chatting together looking at the bright colored goods, while the men were most of the time walking about the streets wrapped in their&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The island was just as beautiful as ever. It was early spring time when I saw it last with the straits full of floating ice. Now the grass was green and the trees were in autumn dress with the beautiful evergreens mixed in among the pretty colored leaves of maple and birch. The crisp autumn air gave new life after a hot summer. It had been a busy season with summer visitors and a few had lingered for payment time.

{{ph|MY RETURN TO BEAVER ISLAND.}}

My visit of a month was greatly enjoyed and I returned to Beaver Island, entering school at once. Our winter was a cold one, with heavy ice in the lake, but the next spring we had the steamer Michigan in our harbor on April first. There was still drifting ice, fishing soon began and the summer was a busy one, with many summer visitors. Our island people were very happy not to be disturbed any more by the Mormons or have their property stolen.

There were several Irish families that came as soon as the Mormons left, and more soon followed. They bought the land and made themselves homes. Among those that came was our genial friend Capt. Roddy, so well known all over Northern Michigan. He was a true sailor, owning several sailing crafts at different times, also owning a very fine farm on&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE GIBSON HOUSE.}}

Mr. Robert Gibson and wife came to the island the spring of 1858, buying the property of the old Mormon printing office, converting it into a hotel known ever since as &quot;The Gibson House.&quot; Its doors have been open to guests up to the present. Mr. Gibson died some years ago, since which time his widow, Mrs. Julia Gibson, with her family, have continued the business with success.

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Capt. Bundy with his gospel ship &quot;Glad Tidings&quot; often came to our harbor and sailing around other parts of the shores and islands in later years holding religious services among the people.

{{ph|THE NURSE'S STORY.}}

Soon after our return to the island after the going away of the Mormons I became acquainted with a lady that had come to the island just a few weeks before Strang was shot. She came to visit her brother. She was a nurse. She told me what a sad time it was to those people when their king was shot. Some would not believe until they saw him. Soon after Strang was carried home the doctor sent a messenger to this lady to come and take charge of the sick room, as no one else could be found capable, all being in such an excited state of mind. She said, &quot;When I reached Strang's home I found him resting under an opiate. His wounds had been dressed. The doctor was sitting beside the bed. I knew him well and he motioned me to a seat. I went across the hall into another room, hearing the sounds of crying and sobbing. There I saw the four wives with several neighbor women all in a sorrowful state of mind. There was one that sat by herself by an open window looking out over the water. She was silent and quiet with a far away look in her eyes. I motioned to the rest to be quiet, as I feared it would disturb the sick&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|MARRIED AND KEEPING HOUSE.}}

The light-keeper Mr. Granger, had given up his position as a keeper, Mr. Peter McKinley succeeding him. I was now married to Mr. Van Riper and living very near the light-house. My husband had come from Detroit for his health. After we were married he started a large cooper shop at the Point, employing several men in the summer season. My father had now moved into the &quot;Strang House,&quot; as the King's house was always called by the islanders. Up to this time no one had ever lived in it since the King's death. Somehow no one cared to live in it, but father and mother found it very comfortable and pleasant. There were more people coming to the island all the time to settle, buying farms. The &quot;Johnson House&quot; was now taken down and moved on some farm. All the houses between Strang's house and Enoch had been taken down. We found the light-keeper and his daughters very kind neighbors. The two girls and myself were like sisters as time went on.

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Our mails came by ice in winter from Mackinac Island, a distance of fifty miles. When our mail carrier came with the pouches full we were like a hungry lot of people, as often we were without mail for a month or six weeks. Work was laid aside until the letters and papers were read, then for several days news was discussed among us. Good news was enjoyed by everybody and sad news was sadness for all. In later years our mail route was changed in winter to Cross Village, distant about twenty-five miles. Both Indians and white men were engaged in carrying it, using dogs with sleds as the mail grew heavier, with more inhabitants coming. Winter was the time for social amusements. We usually had fine ice for skating, which was enjoyed by both old and young, women as well as men.

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{{ph|TRAVELLING BY WATER.}}

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The winter of 1861 my husband and I went to Milwaukee to spend the winter. Mr. C. R. Wright was elected to the State Legislature at Lansing that winter, his family spending the winter in Fairport, Ohio. We all returned to the island in springtime. My parents had now gone back to Traverse City to live. Frank, my adopted brother, had enlisted as a drummer boy at the beginning of the Civil War.

{{ph|OUR INDIAN SCHOOL AT GARDEN ISLAND.}}

In July of 1862 my husband was appointed as a Government school teacher to the Indians at Garden Island. The school was a large one as there was a large band of Indians. Our school continued for two years, then was discontinued for several years before another teacher was sent among them. That two years was a busy life for us both. The Government furnished seeds of all kinds for their gardens, flower seeds as well to beautify their homes. We were expected to teach them how to plant and&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|THE KILLING OF &quot;KING STRANG.&quot;}}

I must now hurry over many things that hap-
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his own people. It was a long time before we could
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{{ph|THE KILLING OF &quot;KING STRANG.&quot;}}

I must now hurry over many things that happened while at Traverse City. In June of 1856 news came that &quot;King Strang&quot; had been shot by his own people. It was a long time before we could get the particulars.

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After a tedious trip we reached &quot;Beaver Island.&quot; I need not try to tell how disappointed many of us were, as everything was so different from what it had been represented to us. The island itself was very beautiful, just as nature had made it. But to us that had come from a settled country with farms all cultivated, it was a great change. I saw Mr. {{nowrap|H{{bar|2}}}} was very low-spirited, and knowing we must make the best of it, I tried to cheer him, saying, &quot;Now we will soon make us another home, and if all is well we shall soon be as happy as we were before. But you know I can never enjoy this new doctrine.&quot; We also found when reaching the island that the bright talking elder was &quot;King Strange&quot; himself, and he well knew I had no sympathy or belief in his teachings. However, Strang gave us our choice of a building spot and we chose as pleasant a place as possible, with father and mother near us, just a short distance from the pretty little Font Lake. We tried to make our home like the one we had left behind. I went to work with a will helping Mr. {{nowrap|H{{bar|2}}}} to build the new home. That first winter I never like to think about, the people suffered so much, but were always patient, never complaining. The next spring I helped to make our garden, also our flower garden, putting&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The third year we began to be a little more comfortable, and I found a little more time to rest. I had been so busy with hard work trying to make our home bright and cheerful I had not noticed what was going on at the Tabernacle meetings. I soon began to hear rumors how the king was preaching polygamy. I felt worried and I could see that other&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The people were divided, not all were pleased with the king and his rule. The Gentiles were leaving as fast as they could, as there was no safety for them or their property. Strang was losing much control of his people. Then he concluded to extend his territory to the mainland, Charlevoix and Bower's Harbor in Grand Traverse. Some had gone to Fox Island. About this time Nellie's husband died very sudden. We never knew the cause of his death. Nellie with her children went with me to Charlevoix, staying there all winter, then went to Bower's Harbor. That winter in Charlevoix we almost starved before spring came. The snow was very deep and ice heavy in the lake. The latter part of March teams came over from Beaver Island on the ice, bringing us provisions. They also went to Fox Island, as the people there were in a starving condition. This was not done by any of Strang's orders. There were some good people who knew our provisions could not last us till the opening of navigation and they came without orders and saved our&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The story was a sad one, but true. It had not been all pleasure in Strang's kingdom. The doctrine they believed in and practiced beyond limit stifled all the good there was in their hearts. There was no pity felt or shown to those who went contrary to the &quot;Divine Revelations&quot; which their king was supposed to have. Poor, deluded people, how different would all have been for them had their leader used his splendid talent for good and taught his people the way of life and truth.

{{ph|MY BROTHER LEWIS VISITING US AND HIS STORY.}}

Another year had rolled round. The June days lingered with us still when my brother Lewis came from Beaver Island to visit us. We had not seen him since he left us at Charlevoix after he was wounded. The four years had changed him from a boy to a man. He was now twenty-three years of age. He had many things to tell us, he being one of the men chosen the year before to help preserve law and order in the sending away of the Mormons after the king was shot. He went to the island to help get the people away on the steamboats that were sent to carry them from the island.

As soon as Strang was shot a great number of the people left at once, having means of their own to help themselves with. There were others who had small means. Their homes were all they had. Strang had preached and taught in the temple that no bullet could pierce his body, and strange as it&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Strang knew just how to manage these hardworking, faithful people, and the reason so many were beginning to think favorably of polygamy was because they were taught that only those who were faithful could be sealed, and in this way were counted God's elect. But there were a large number of women who came to the island that had been better taught than to believe in such a doctrine, which was the reason of Strang's failure to enforce the law.

The two men who shot Strang had their own wrongs to avenge. Bedford had been whipped, he claimed unjustly. The other man, Wentworth, also had much bitterness in his heart of treatment he had suffered from Strang. So the two had planned to shoot him at their first opportunity. Immediately after they shot him they ran to the U. S. steamer Michigan and gave themselves up to the officers saying, &quot;We have shot Strang and are willing to suffer the consequences.&quot; They were taken to Mackinac Island and put in jail, where they remained about one week. One dark night the door was unlocked and a man said to them, &quot;Ask no questions, but hurry to the dock and go on board the steamboat that is there.&quot; They did so. Nothing was ever done in the way of giving these men a trial. Public sentiment was so great at the time&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|FATHER AND MOTHER'S VISIT TO BEAVER ISLAND.}}

My brother remained with us three weeks. Father and mother thought they would like to go back to the island with him to visit many of their old-time friends, who had gone back to the island after the Mormons left. Mr. Bower, at Bower's Harbor, owned a small vessel and was anxious, as he said, &quot;To go and see how the island looked with the Mormons gone.&quot; So, with several more friends from Traverse City and Old Mission, father, mother and Frank went to Beaver Island. They were gone two weeks. I remained with Mrs. Hitchcock, my former teacher, Miss Helen Goodale. She had gone to housekeeping in their cozy new home just built on First street. I was very contented while they were gone never thinking of such a thing that father would move away from Traverse City. When they came back I could see mother was greatly pleased with the island. There she had met so many of her old friends, and there she could talk her own langauge again.

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One morning the latter part of August Frank came and said to me, &quot;Elizabeth you must come home. We are going to move to Beaver Island.&quot; At first I said. &quot;No, this can't be so. I can't leave my school which will soon now begin.&quot; But I hurried home to find it was true. Packing was going on and all preparations were made to move. Mother was happy. She was going to be near her boys as she so many times said when her neighbors urged her not to go. My heart was heavy. How could I go and leave all my dear companions and my dear school, which was my greatest sorrow. Mr. Therian Bostwick had been our teacher the winter before and would be again the coming winter. He was a highly educated man and he and his wife wanted me to remain with them all winter and go to school. Father said I might if I wanted to and then I could go to the island the next spring, but I felt I could not do it. My winter in Ohio, where I had been homesick, made me timid about being separated from my parents. Dearly as I loved my young com-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|LEAVING TRAVERSE CITY.}}

With many tears of sorrow to think of leaving companions, friends and Traverse City, the place where we had been so happy in the four years of our stay, we bade adieu to our kind friends and neighbors and once more were sailing away over the waters to Beaver Island. As we sailed toward Northport it was not long before all traces of the little city had passed from our view, and though I could not see it with my eyes, I could see it with my heart, as I said to one of the gentlemen on board our vessel. There were three summer people that had been at the island since early June. They came over to Traverse City to see what the country looked like and voted their preference for the island as a summer home.

We called at Northport, stopping to see several friends and wait for a fresher breeze. There we met Mr. Dame, his wife and daughter, Mrs. Page, and son Sebe, as we always called him. Mr. and Mrs. Smith and many more wished us &quot;God speed&quot; on the way across the water to our &quot;Island home.&quot; We left Northport just as the sun was rising over the treetops. The little town looked bright and pleasant in the morning sunlight. The wind was fair and sea smooth. We soon were past the point, where we could look upon Lake Michigan. North&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|LANDING AT THE ISLAND.}}

The day was fair; the sky was blue; the sea gulls soared about our little ship, uttering their shrill cries in search of food. Soon the land could be plainly seen along the island, and as we neared its shores my thoughts went back to a few years ago, when I stood on the deck of the steamboat Michigan watching so eagerly to catch the first glimpse of the dear old island that was my home. And now as we passed Cable's dock and saw the houses, and people walking about, how familiar everything looked to me. I watched to see our old home, but father said to me, &quot;It is burned down.&quot; I looked at the place where it had stood and through my tears it seemed I could almost see my little brother Charley and myself strolling along the beach as we so often did in the old days, chasing the plovers along the shore. Then again I could see ourselves hurrying to get on board the little vessel with our goods left upon the beach and the Mormon men pointing the guns at us. Father seemed to know what was passing in my mind as he said, &quot;There are only friends here now.&quot;

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{{ph|HOTELS AT THE HARBOR.}}

My brother and other friends met us and took us to the Mormon printing office, which had been turned into a hotel. When reaching there we were met by ever so many old friends, nearly all speaking in French, and their manner so hearty we could not help but feel their welcome. At supper time the dining room was filled with a jolly crowd of fishermen with a number of city people that were staying for rest and recreation in the summer months. Several of them had been with the fishermen on the lake that day watching the process of setting and lifting the nets, and many were the jokes that were made at their expense. Next door was another larger hotel, kept by Mr. David Lobdell and his wife. Mrs. Lobdell came from Fremont, Ohio. This hotel had been full of summer boarders, but many had gone to their city homes. This house had been used by the Mormons as a dance hall and theater.

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The evening before we reached there a large party had been given as a farewell to the many summer friends that were going to their city homes. The two young Mormon sisters that Strang had chosen as Spiritual wives were also going away. They were to have a great festival, or feast, in July to celebrate the sealing ceremony of the King's marriage with the two young sisters, but death had come and taken the King before the time of the ceremony. These two sisters were very beautiful girls who were orphans and had a home with their uncle, he being a staunch Mormon, but a very good man. The summer people had been very interested in these two young sisters. Their parents had both died while they were very young. Being raised in the Mormon faith they thought it was right and considered it a great honor to have been chosen by the prophet and King. I was told by one who knew them intimately that they expressed great joy&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|RETURN OF THE MERCHANTS.}}

We were soon settled in a comfortable house left by the Mormons. The houses as a rule were placed close together in groups of three. Their yards were nicely laid out and filled with handsome flowers, which were now in bloom. When we reached there houses were plenty and we could take our choice. Mr. C. R. Wright and family had returned to the island, starting a large cooper shop and employing a number of workmen. Mr. James Moore and family, T. D. Smith and family, and many others who had left in 1852, had now returned. Mr. James Cable had taken possession of his property at the head of the island and was again in business. Mr. Peter McKinley had returned and was in business across the harbor on the opposite side from the point at what was called the &quot;Gregg property.&quot; Mr. McKinley had been elected to the State Legislature at Lansing, so did not return to the island until late in the fall. His brother Morrison taking charge of the business. Peter McKinley was first cousin to William McKinley, our late President of the United States.

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About a mile back from the shore on high, level land was Mr. Campbell's farm. This was a beautiful location on the south side of the harbor. This family had remained when the Mormons had left. They were glad to be left in peace and had become tired of Strang's rule. They were my neighbors for many years and proved themselves kind and true friends.

Mrs. Campbell had been one of Strang's greatest enemies in preventing his enforcing the laws of polygamy. She carried her family Bible to the temple, and there with many other women read God's laws from its pages faster than the king could explain it in his way. She told me all this herself, and said many times when she started for the temple it was with fear and trembling, not knowing sometimes whether she would ever return to her home.

She knew she was defying the King, and no one at the time could tell what the outcome might be, adding, &quot;But we knew we were right and were fighting for our homes. We kept agitating and gained time. Strang began to find his power was not absolute. We women banded ourselves together and fought him with words so strong he had to stop to consider where he stood. Before it was settled the king was shot.&quot;
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At the harbor side, or St. James, was quite a village. Two docks, two stores, with the two hotels and two or three boarding houses; further around the bay was the old Mormon boarding house building that had been run by the Mormon with four wives. It was built of logs smooth on both sides. Mr. C. R. Wright converted that building into a large cooper shop. There were about twenty houses back along the hill, reaching along past the temple and Strang's cottage, with several more in the other direction around the bay toward the point. Just back a short distance from the street just opposite the dock stood what was called &quot;Dr. McCulloch's residence.&quot; A very pretty gothic story and a half cottage. It was painted white with a white picket fence around it. Dr. McCulloch was the Mormon doctor from Baltimore. A fine physician. Coming to the island just to rest, he gained his health and liked the climate so well he settled there. His wife was a highly cultured lady. While not wholly Mormons, they were just enough so as to live peaceably with the King. Mrs. McCulloch was the leader in much of their amusements, and she often ridiculed Strang about his way of living and insisting upon the women wearing short hair and bloomer costumes. She always wore her dresses long when going on her annual trips home to Baltimore. But when on the island she wore the regulation short dress, as she said, &quot;Just for fun.&quot;
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{{ph|THE KING'S HIGHWAY.}}

At Cable's dock Mr. John Corlette, of Ohio, had settled, and after a fair success in business of several years he moved to Cheboygan, Mich., with his son-in-law, Mr. Andrew Trombley. Captain Appleby, of Buffalo, N. Y., took Mr. Loaney's place as keeper of the light-house at the head of the island, where his nephew, Frank Blakeslee, assisted. After a few years Mr. Harrison Miller took Capt. Appleby's place, remaining eleven years or more, assisted by his&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Mormons laid the roads out very convenient for the settlers that were in the interior of the island. One road went direct from the harbor across to Bonnar's landing, a distance of five miles. This road passed through many fine farms, and there were roads branching from this one leading to all parts of the island, with the king's highway leading direct through from the harbor to the head of the island. The king's highway was very beautiful with its wild scenery. Many of the roads were built with small logs cut the width of the road and laid down firmly close together. These were called cause-ways or corduroy. This kind was built where it was swampy and low land to go through. These cause-ways were very beautiful in summer time with their branches arching overhead in many places, with beautiful evergreens mixed in with willows, green mosses and flowers.

{{ph|HORSEBACK RIDING ABOUT THE ISLAND.}}

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{{ph|THE JOHNSON HOUSE.}}

Mary said, &quot;Now just one more place to go and see before we go home.&quot; We rode around pretty Font Lake, soon coming to a large two story and a half house, built very near the sloping shore of the lake. We tied our horses, walking down the path to the water. There were seats in among the small cedars, which grew thickly about. The house was still in good repair. &quot;This is the Johnson House. The people were rich. He was a merchant living in Buffalo. The King and &quot;Douglas&quot; went to their home and soon persuaded them to sell and come here. They built this house, and out there you can see the large barn. They brought their horses and carriages. They brought their dead daughter's body and buried it out there on that little knoll.&quot; I looked and saw the white railing about the lonely grave&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|JOHN GOEING AND HIS DEAR OLD IRISH HOME.}}

John Goeing came to the island and had been with us two years. He was an educated and refined gentleman from Ireland. His father was a rich Irish lord. John had been disappointed in love and left his &quot;dear old Irish home&quot; to come to America. From a visit to friends in Canada he had wandered to Beaver Island, and had been with us ever since. He was a great reader, having a box full of books. He did not work, and being very fond of us children he took it upon himself to teach us. He received money from home often, with the finest of broadcloth suits of clothes with silk underwear. Every evening after the lessons were heard John would read to us or tell us about his &quot;old home in Erin.&quot; What brother Charley and I loved most was to have John tell about the chase with hounds. I liked it all except where the fox was killed by the dogs, then I would say, &quot;John, can't you tell some stories where the fox gets away from the hounds?&quot; Then he smiled, saying, &quot;I won't have the foxes killed any more. It makes Elizabeth feel too sorry.&quot; Then he would get his books, saying, &quot;Now, children, where shall we go tonight? England. Ireland or Scotland?&quot; Sometimes we all wanted different stories. Then he would say, &quot;I&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|MY BROTHER CHARLEY GOING TO OHIO.}}

Summer was fast slipping away. Our summer boarders were talking of home. One of our boarders, Mr. William Hill, was anxious to take my brother Charley home with him, put him to school and teach him the engineer's trade. It was all talked over and settled that Charley was to go. We children could not realize much about what it meant. My eldest brother had been one winter with the same man. Charley was to remain with Mr. Hill until he was twenty-one, he being past ten now. Papers were made out and signed. Mother prepared all the clothes for her boy that was going away to another home. I remember so well seeing the tears rolling down her cheeks as she sewed and stitched far into the night, making the little jackets that Charley was to wear in his far away&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[''In a rage'']: My name here is {{sc|He}}. I have no other name, do you hear? He Who Gets Slapped. And if you want to stay here, don’t forget it.

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

You are so familiar. As far as I can remember{{longdash}}

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

We are all familiar, here. [''Contemptuously''] Besides, that’s all you deserve, anywhere.

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

[''Humbly'']: You have not forgiven me, {{sc|He}}? [''Silence''.]

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Are you here with my wife? Is she, too, in the circus?

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

[''Quickly'']: Oh, no! I am alone. She stayed there!

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

You’ve left her already?
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[''{{sc|HE}} stops, suddenly. Consuelo, loughing, jumps up and runs away, after a quick glance at the gentleman''.]
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{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

You cheered me up, {{sc|He}}. Good-bye. [''At the door''] You shall get a note to-morrow.

{{c|{{sc|The Bareback Rider}}}}

[''Laughing'']: A jolly fellow, sir. You wanted to see him? There he is. {{sc|He}}, the gentleman wants to see you.

{{c|{{sc|HE}}}}
[''In a depressed voice'']: What can I do for you?
{{dent/s|2em|-2em}}
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{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

Is this you?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Yes! It is I. And you? [''Silence''.]

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

Must I believe my eyes? Is this ''you'', Mr.{{longdash}}
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No. I didn’t know.

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Yes, every queen. Beauty has her fool. Wisdom, too. Oh, how many fools she has! Her court is over-crowded with enamoured fools, and the sound of slaps does not cease, even through the night. But I never received such a sweet slap as the one given by my little queen. [''Someone appears at the door. {{sc|Нe}} notices it, and continues to play, making many faces''.] Clown He can have no rival! Who is there who could stand such a deluge of slaps, such a hail-storm of slaps, and not get soaked? [''Feigns to cry aloud.''] “Have pity on me. I am but a poor fool!”
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{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughing, embarrassed'']: {{sc|He}}, there is someone here. Stop!

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

[''Gets up'']: Who is it? Who dares to intrude in the castle of my queen?
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You are not angry because I struck you? I did not want to really, but you were so—disgusting. And now you are so funny again. You have great talent, {{sc|He}}—or are you drunk?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Strike me again.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

No.

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

I need it for my play. Strike!

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughs, and touches his cheek with her fingertips'']: Here, then!

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Didn’t you understand that you are a queen, and I a fool who is in love with his queen? Don’t you know, Consuelo, that every queen has a fool, and he is always in love with her, and they always beat him for it. НЕ Who Gets Slapped.
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A slap! You forget who you are. [''Stands up, with anger in her eyes''.] You are {{sc|He}} Who Gets Slapped! Did you forget it? Some god! With such a face—slapped face! Was it with slaps they threw you down from heaven, god?

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Wait! Don’t stand up! I—did not finish the play!

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Sits'']: Then you were playing?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Wait! One minute.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

You lied to me. Why did you play so that I believed you?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

I am {{sc|He}} Who Gets Slapped!
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'''The Bill for this Act of the Scottish Parliament was passed by the Parliament on 20th December 2001 and received Royal Assent on 22 January 2002'''

An Act of the Scottish Parliament to amend the law about the provision of education for children under school age for whom placing requests have been made; and to make provision relating to the abolition of the post of assistant headteacher.

{{Anchor|1.0}}'''1{{gap}}Placing requests: children under school age'''
:{{Anchor|1.1}}(1) In section 28A of the [[Education (Scotland) Act 1980]] (c.44) (duty of education authority to comply with placing requests)— 
::{{Anchor|1.1.a}}(a) in subsection (1)— 
:::{{Anchor|1.1.a.i}}(i) for “child of school age” there shall be substituted “qualifying child”; and
:::{{Anchor|1.1.a.ii}}(ii) for “and (3A)” there shall be substituted “, (3A) and (3F)”; 
::{{Anchor|1.1.b}}(b) after subsection (3D) there shall be inserted— 
:::“(3F) Where an education authority are carrying out the duty imposed on them by subsection (1) above in respect of a child such as is mentioned in subsection (6)(c) below, they shall place the child in the specified school— 
::::(a) on the date (being the date fixed for that school under section 32(1) and (2) of this Act) next following the making of the placing request; or 
::::(b) where that date has passed, as soon after that date as is reasonably practicable.”; and 
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I did. {{...}} Give Consuelo to the Jockey—

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

To Bezano? [''Laughs''.] What nonsense you do talk! Oh, I know. It’s your joke about Adam and Eve. But please stop it. It’s clever, but it compromises the child. She told me about it.

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Or give her to me.

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Have you a billion? [''Laughs''.] Ah, {{sc|He}}, I’m not in the proper mood to listen to your clownish jokes—They say there are terrible jails in this country, and no discriminations are being made between people of my kind, and plain scoundrels. Why do you look at me like that? You’re making fun of me?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

No.

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I’ll never get accustomed to those faces. You’re so disgustingly made up.
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:::::(c) a child who is not of school age and who, on the date (being the date fixed under subsections (1) and (2) of section 32 of this Act for the purposes of subsection (6) of that section) next following the making of the request under subsection (1) above, will be eligible under this Act to commence attendance at a primary school.”. 
:{{Anchor|1.2}}(2) Subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to section 28A of that Act as substituted, in relation to a recorded child, by paragraph 3 of Schedule A2 to that Act.
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::{{Anchor|1.3.a}}(a) “a”, where it third occurs; and 
::{{Anchor|1.3.b}}(b) “the”, where it second occurs, 
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{{Anchor|2.0}}'''2{{gap}}Provisions relating to the abolition of the post of assistant headteacher'''
:{{Anchor|2.1}}(1) The requirements, under paragraph 1 of Schedule 2 to the [[School Boards (Scotland) Act 1988]] (c.47) (education authority intending to fill a post of headteacher or deputy headteacher must advertise the post and set up an appointment committee for the purposes set out in sub-paragraph (b) of that paragraph), do not apply in the circumstances set out in subsection (2) below.
:{{Anchor|2.2}}(2) Those circumstances are where a person who is an assistant headteacher is to be made a deputy headteacher immediately upon that person’s post as assistant headteacher ceasing to exist.
:{{Anchor|2.3}}(3) In section 11 (appointments) of the 1988 Act, the words “and assistant” are repealed.
:{{Anchor|2.4}}(4) In section 15 (delegation of functions to school boards) of that Act, in sub-paragraph (b) of subsection (2), the words “or assistant” are repealed.
:{{Anchor|2.5}}(5) In Schedule 2 to that Act (appointment of headteachers, deputies and assistants)— 
::{{Anchor|2.5.a}}(a) in paragraph 1, for the words “headteacher, deputy headteacher or assistant” there shall be substituted “headteacher or deputy”; 
::{{Anchor|2.5.b}}(b) in paragraph 10, the words “or assistant headteacher” are repealed; and 
::{{Anchor|2.5.c}}(c) in paragraph 19, the words “or assistant” are repealed.

{{Anchor|3.0}}'''3{{gap}}Short title and commencement'''
:{{Anchor|3.1}}(1) This Act may be cited as the School Education (Amendment) (Scotland) Act 2002.
:{{Anchor|3.2}}(2) This Act (except this section) comes into force on such day as the Scottish Ministers may by order made by statutory instrument appoint; and different days may be so appointed for different purposes.&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule|32.5em|height=3px|align=right}}
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{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

Yes, sir. Baron Regnard wished me to give you this letter.

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

The Baron? Is he there?

{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

Baron Regnard has left. There is no answer.

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

[''Opening the envelope, his hand shaking'']: The devil—the devil! [''The usher is going''.]

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Just a minute. Why is there no music? This silence {{...}}

{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

It is the act with Madame Zinida and her lions. [''He goes''. {{sc|Mancini}} ''is reading the'' {{sc|Baron’s}} ''note for the second time''.]
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{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

Yes, sir. Baron Regnard wished me to give you this letter.

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

The Baron? Is he there?

{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

Baron Regnard has left. There is no answer.

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

[''Opening the envelope, his hand shaking'']: The devil—the devil! [''The usher is going''.]

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Just a minute. Why is there no music? This silence {{...}}

{{c|{{sc|The Usher}}}}

It is the act with Madame Zinida and her lions. [''He goes''. {{sc|Mancini}} ''is reading the'' {{sc|Baron’s}} ''note for the second time''.]
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'''hedge''', plektobarilo, '''-hog,''' erinaco,

'''heir''', heredanto.

'''hell''', infero.

'''helm''', direktilo.

'''helmet''', kasko.

'''hem''', borderi.

'''hemp''', kanabo.

'''herald''', heroldo.

'''heresy''', herezo.

'''hermit''', ermito.

'''hero''', heroo.

'''heron''', ardeo.

'''herring''', haringo.

'''hesitate''', ŝanceliĝi, heziti.

'''hiccough''', singulti.

'''hide''', kaŝi; felo.

'''hinge''', ĉarniro.

'''hip''', kokso.

'''hire''', dungi; lui; pago.

'''hiss''', sibli

'''hit''', frapi.

'''hoard''', amaso.

'''hoar frost''', prujno

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holiday, testo, libertempo.
hollow, kav’a, -o.
holly, ilekso. .
honey, miclo, -comb, miel-
tavolo, suckle, lunicero.
hood, kapuco, kuto.
‘hook, hoko, agrafo; alkroéi.
hope, espero.
hops, lnpolo,
horizon, horizonto.
horn, korno,
hospitable, gastama.
hospital, hospitalo.
host, mustro ;
hostio,
hostage, garantiulo.
hotel, hutelo.


gastiganto ;

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hub, radcentro, akso.

hue, nuanco, koloro.

hum, zumi.

human, homa. -being, homo.
humane, humana.

- humble, humila.

humbug, blago.

humming-bird, kolibro.

humorous, humoraja,
serca.

hump, gibo.

sprita

. hunger, malsato.

hunt, éasi.

hurrah, hura.
hurricane, uragano.
hurt, vundi, malutili.
husk, Selo.

hut, kabano.

hymn, himno.

hyphen, streketo.
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identical, identa.

idiom, idiomo, idiotismo.
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image, figuro, bildo.
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impassive, stuika, kvietega.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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'''hedge''', plektobarilo, '''-hog,''' erinaco,

'''heir''', heredanto.

'''hell''', infero.

'''helm''', direktilo.

'''helmet''', kasko.

'''hem''', borderi.

'''hemp''', kanabo.

'''herald''', heroldo.

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'''herring''', haringo.

'''hesitate''', ŝanceliĝi, heziti.

'''hiccough''', singulti.

'''hide''', kaŝi; felo.

'''hinge''', ĉarniro.

'''hip''', kokso.

'''hire''', dungi; lui; pago.

'''hiss''', sibli

'''hit''', frapi.

'''hoard''', amaso.

'''hoar frost''', prujno

'''hoax''', mistifik’o, -i.

'''hole''', truo, kavo

'''holiday''', festo, libertempo.

'''hollow''', kav’a, -o.

holly, ilekso. .
honey, miclo, -comb, miel-
tavolo, suckle, lunicero.
hood, kapuco, kuto.
‘hook, hoko, agrafo; alkroéi.
hope, espero.
hops, lnpolo,
horizon, horizonto.
horn, korno,
hospitable, gastama.
hospital, hospitalo.
host, mustro; gastiganto ;
hostio,
hostage, garantiulo.
hotel, hutelo.

hover, flirti.

hub, radcentro, akso.

hue, nuanco, koloro.

hum, zumi.

human, homa. -being, homo.
humane, humana.

- humble, humila.

humbug, blago.

humming-bird, kolibro.

humorous, humoraja,
serca.

hump, gibo.

sprita

. hunger, malsato.

hunt, éasi.

hurrah, hura.
hurricane, uragano.
hurt, vundi, malutili.
husk, Selo.

hut, kabano.

hymn, himno.

hyphen, streketo.
hypocritical, hipokrita.

ideal, ideala.

identical, identa.

idiom, idiomo, idiotismo.
idiotic, idiota.

idle, senokupa.

idol, idolo.

illegitimate, nelatlega, bastarda
illuminate, slumini.

illusion, iluzio.

illustrate, ilustri.

image, figuro, bildo.
imagine, imagi, revi.
imbibe, ensorbi.

imbue, penetri, inspiri.
imitate, imiti.

immediately, tuj.

imminent, surpenda, minaca.
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I? No. Did you see? Did you see? Well? [''She stands smiling, with the expression of a mad Victory''.]

{{c|{{sc|Tilly}}}}

[''Plaintively'']: Cut it out, Zinida. Go to the devil!

{{c|{{sc|Zinida}}}}

You saw, too! And! {{...}} what—

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

Come home—come home. [''To the others''] You can do what you like here. Zinida, come home.

{{c|{{sc|Polly}}}}

You can't go, Papa. There's still your number.

{{c|{{sc|Zinida}}}}

[''Her eyes meet those of Bezano'']: Ah! Bezano. [''Laughs long and happily''.] Bezano! Alfred! Did you see? My lions do love me! [''Bezano, without answering, leaves the stage. Zinida seems to wither and grow dim, as a light being extinguished. Her smile fades, her eyes and face grow pale. Briquet anxiously bends over her''.]
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I? No. Did you see? Did you see? Well? [''She stands smiling, with the expression of a mad Victory''.]

{{c|{{sc|Tilly}}}}

[''Plaintively'']: Cut it out, Zinida. Go to the devil!

{{c|{{sc|Zinida}}}}

You saw, too! And! {{...}} what—

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

Come home—come home. [''To the others''] You can do what you like here. Zinida, come home.

{{c|{{sc|Polly}}}}

You can’t go, Papa. There’s still your number.

{{c|{{sc|Zinida}}}}

[''Her eyes meet those of Bezano'']: Ah! Bezano. [''Laughs long and happily''.] Bezano! Alfred! Did you see? My lions do love me! [''Bezano, without answering, leaves the stage. Zinida seems to wither and grow dim, as a light being extinguished. Her smile fades, her eyes and face grow pale. Briquet anxiously bends over her''.]
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I don’t know, {{sc|He}}. [''She sighs and sits on the sofa, keeping in her pose the same artificiality and beauty''.] It’s all so sad here, to-day. {{sc|He}}, are you sorry for {{sc|Zinida}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

What did she do?

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

I didn’t see. I had closed my eyes, and didn’t open them. Alfred says she is a wicked woman, but that isn’t true. She has such nice eyes, and what tiny cold hands—as if she were dead. What does she do it for? Alfred says she should be audacious, beautiful, but quiet, otherwise what she does is only disgusting. It isn’t true, is it, {{sc|He}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

She loves Alfred.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

Alfred? My Bezano? [''Shrugging her shoulders, and surprised''] How does she love him? The same as everyone loves?
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I don’t know, {{sc|He}}. [''She sighs and sits on the sofa, keeping in her pose the same artificiality and beauty''.] It’s all so sad here, to-day. {{sc|He}}, are you sorry for {{sc|Zinida}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

What did she do?

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

I didn’t see. I had closed my eyes, and didn’t open them. Alfred says she is a wicked woman, but that isn’t true. She has such nice eyes, and what tiny cold hands—as if she were dead. What does she do it for? Alfred says she should be audacious, beautiful, but quiet, otherwise what she does is only disgusting. It isn’t true, is it, {{sc|He}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

She loves Alfred.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

Alfred? My Bezano? [''Shrugging her shoulders, and surprised''] How does she love him? The same as everyone loves?
{{nop}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Will he eat me?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

No. But you will die before he has time to eat you.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

And what will become of Father? Is there nothing about him here? [''Laughing, she softly sings the melody of the waltz, which is playing in the distance''.]

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Don’t laugh, Consuelo, at the voice of the stars. They are far away, their rays are light and pale, and we can barely see their sleeping shadows, but their sorcery is stern and dark. You stand at the gates of eternity. Your die is cast; you are ''doomed''—and your Alfred, whom you love in your heart, even though your mind is not aware of it, your Alfred cannot save you. He, too, is a stranger on this earth. He is submerged in a deep sleep. He, too, is a little god who has lost himself, and Consuelo, never, never will he find his way to Heaven again. Forget Bezano{{longdash}}

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

I don’t understand a word. Do the gods really exist? My teacher told me about them. But I&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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[''Laughing'']: What a restless, touchy faker you are! Please sit still; be quiet. It is the custom here to speak this way. Why were you trying to find me?

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

My conscience {{...}}

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

You have no conscience. Or were you afraid that you hadn't robbed me of ''everything'' I possessed, and you came for the rest? But what more could you take from me now? My fool's cap with its bells? You wouldn't take it. It's too big for your bald head! Crawl back, you book-worm!

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}

You cannot forgive the fact that your wife {{...}}

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

To the devil with my wife! [''The gentleman is startled and raises his eyebrows. {{sc|He}} laughs''.]

{{c|{{sc|Gentleman}}}}
I don't know{{...|4}} But such language! I confess I find difficulty in expressing my thoughts in&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Yes, yes! Death, ''certainly!''
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[''Holding his face'']: Why?

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Because you’re a fool, and play for nothing. Waiter, the check. (''Laughter. The bell calls them to the ring. The actors go out in haste, some running. The waiters collect their money''.)

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[''In a sing-song'']: To the ring—to the ring—

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I want to tell you something, {{sc|He}}. You are not going yet?

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No. I’ll take a rest.

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[''Holding his face'']: Why?

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Because you’re a fool, and play for nothing. Waiter, the check. (''Laughter. The bell calls them to the ring. The actors go out in haste, some running. The waiters collect their money''.)

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[''In a sing-song'']: To the ring—to the ring—

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I want to tell you something, {{sc|He}}. You are not going yet?

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No. I’ll take a rest.

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Heavy is the labour of a native of Chalgan!

Then Father Ivan began adding up the number of frauds that Makar had committed, and there proved to be twenty-one thousand, three hundred and three. Then he added up the number of bottles of vodka he had drunk, and there proved to be four hundred. And the priest read on and Makar saw that the wooden bowl was pulling on the gold one; it sank into the hole, and, as the priest read, it descended ever deeper and deeper.

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But one of the servants saw it, and a clamour arose amongst them.

&quot;What is the matter there?&quot; asked the old Toyon.

&quot;Why, he was trying to block the scales with his foot!&quot; cried the servant.

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{{sc|He}}, you have something none of my ancestors ever had—money. Let’s have a nice bottle on you. Waiter, please—[''The waiter who was taking up dishes, brings a bottle of wine and glasses and goes out''.]

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

You’re blue, Mancini. [''Stretches''.] Well, at my age, a hundred slaps—it seems pretty hard. So you’re blue. How are things getting on with your girl?

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Tss! Bad! Complications—parents—[''shudders''] Agh—

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Prison!

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* Amaranth, St. John, N. B., 2 Vols.
* Acadian Magazine, Halifax, N. S., 2 Vols., 1826–28.
* Anglo-American Magazine, Toronto, 7 Vols., 1852–57.
* Barker’s Canadian Magazine, Kingston, 1 Vol., 1846–47.
* British Canadian Review, Quebec, 1 Vol., 1862–63.
* British Colonial Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1853.
* Bystander, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1880–90.
* Canadian Home Journal, Toronto, 8 Vols., 1893–1900.
* Canadian Literary Magazine, York, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Montreal, 4 Vols., 1823–25.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto. 2 Vols., 1871.
* Canadian Merchants’ Magazine, Toronto, 5 Vols., 1857–59.
* Canadian Patriot, Montreal, 1 Vol., 1866.
* Canadian Quarterly Review, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1863–64.
* Canadian Review and Magazine, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1824–26.
* Cape Breton and Nova Scotia Magazine, Sydney.
* Dominion Illustrated Monthly, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1892–93.
* Dominion Review, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1896–99.
* Great West, The, Winnipeg, 14 Vols., 1891–8.
* Halifax Monthly Magazine, Halifax, 3 Vols., 1830–33.
* Lake Magazine, Toronto, I Vol., 1892–93.
* Literary Garland, Montreal, 14 Vols., 1833–51.
* Manitoban, The, Winnipeg, 2 Vols., 1892–93.
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* Amaranth, St. John, N. B., 2 Vols.
* Acadian Magazine, Halifax, N. S., 2 Vols., 1826–28.
* Anglo-American Magazine, Toronto, 7 Vols., 1852–57.
* Barker’s Canadian Magazine, Kingston, 1 Vol., 1846–47.
* British Canadian Review, Quebec, 1 Vol., 1862–63.
* British Colonial Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1853.
* Bystander, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1880–90.
* Canadian Home Journal, Toronto, 8 Vols., 1893–1900.
* Canadian Literary Magazine, York, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Montreal, 4 Vols., 1823–25.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto. 2 Vols., 1871.
* Canadian Merchants’ Magazine, Toronto, 5 Vols., 1857–59.
* Canadian Patriot, Montreal, 1 Vol., 1866.
* Canadian Quarterly Review, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1863–64.
* Canadian Review and Magazine, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1824–26.
* Cape Breton and Nova Scotia Magazine, Sydney.
* Dominion Illustrated Monthly, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1892–93.
* Dominion Review, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1896–99.
* Great West, The, Winnipeg, 14 Vols., 1891–8.
* Halifax Monthly Magazine, Halifax, 3 Vols., 1830–33.
* Lake Magazine, Toronto, I Vol., 1892–93.
* Literary Garland, Montreal, 14 Vols., 1833–51.
* Manitoban, The, Winnipeg, 2 Vols., 1892–93.
* P. E. I. Magazine, 1st Vol., Charlottetown, P. E. I.
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* Anglo-American Magazine, Toronto, 7 Vols., 1852–57.
* Barker’s Canadian Magazine, Kingston, 1 Vol., 1846–47.
* British Canadian Review, Quebec, 1 Vol., 1862–63.
* British Colonial Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1853.
* Bystander, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1880–90.
* Canadian Home Journal, Toronto, 8 Vols., 1893–1900.
* Canadian Literary Magazine, York, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Montreal, 4 Vols., 1823–25.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1833.
* Canadian Magazine, Toronto. 2 Vols., 1871.
* Canadian Merchants’ Magazine, Toronto, 5 Vols., 1857–59.
* Canadian Patriot, Montreal, 1 Vol., 1866.
* Canadian Quarterly Review, Toronto, 1 Vol., 1863–64.
* Canadian Review and Magazine, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1824–26.
* Cape Breton and Nova Scotia Magazine, Sydney.
* Dominion Illustrated Monthly, Montreal, 3 Vols., 1892–93.
* Dominion Review, Toronto, 4 Vols., 1896–99.
* Great West, The, Winnipeg, 14 Vols., 1891–8.
* Halifax Monthly Magazine, Halifax, 3 Vols., 1830–33.
* Lake Magazine, Toronto, I Vol., 1892–93.
* Literary Garland, Montreal, 14 Vols., 1833–51.
* Manitoban, The, Winnipeg, 2 Vols., 1892–93.
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Isn’t there a way of settling it somehow?

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Is there a way of getting money, somehow?

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And the Baron?

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Oh, yes! He’s just waiting for it, the blood-sucker! He’ll get what he’s after. Some day, you’ll see me give him Consuelo for ten thousand francs, perhaps for five!

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Cheap.
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Did I say it was anything else? Do I want to do it? But these bourgeois are strangling me, they’ve got me by the throat. {{sc|He}}, one can easily see that you’re a gentleman, and of good society, you understand me—I showed you the jewels which I sent back to him—damn honesty—I didn’t even dare change the stones, put false ones—

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Why?

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It would have queered the game. Do you think he didn’t weigh the diamonds when he got them back?

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He will not marry her.

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Yes he will. You don’t understand. [''Laughs''.] The first half of his life, this man had only appetites—now love’s got him. If he does not get Consuelo, he is lost, he is—like a withered narcissus. Plague take him with his automobiles. Did you see his car?
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{{di|T|image=Acadiensis Q1 Drop Initial T.png|imgsize=200px}}O the people of New Brunswick, and most of all to those of the western parishes of Charlotte, the story of the Penobscot Associated Loyalists will always be of interest. The six tracts of shore and river lots granted. to them in 1784 extended over nearly half the length of the county. Interrupted only by the town plot of St. Andrews, the Old Settlers' Reserve at Schoodic Falls, now the town plot of St. Stephen, the Indian Reserve, now the town of Milltown, and here and there a lot reserved for fortification or other public use, they reach from Bocabec, on the inner bay of Passamaquoddy, to Sprague's Falls, on the St. Croix; forming the greater part of the water front of the present parishes of St. Patrick, St. Andrews, St. Croix, St. David, Dufferin and St. Stephen. The Indian Lands, (now Milltown), and a tract of good farming land on the Digdeguash, though not included in the Penobscot Association grants, were granted later to officers and men of the 74th Regiment, who had been in garrison at Penobscot. Most of the people to whom these lots were granted, soldiers and civilians, had also town lots, either in St. Andrews, or in St. George's Town, which stood for a few years at the mouth of what was then called St. George's River, now known as L'Etang.
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'''Person in a relationship of trust'''

{{Anchor|16.1}}'''16.''' (1) If a person who commits any offence under this Act or any offence specified in the Schedule against a child, is in a relationship of trust with the child, such person shall, in addition to the punishment to which he is liable for such offence, be punished with imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years and shall also be punished with whipping of not less than two strokes.

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:{{Anchor|16.2.a}}(''a'') a parent, guardian or person who is related through full-blood or half-blood, or through marriage or adoption, including ''de facto'' adoption;
:{{Anchor|16.2.b}}(''b'') a person who looks after one or more children for valuable consideration for any period of time;
:{{Anchor|16.2.c}}(''c'') a teacher, lecturer or warden of a kindergarten, school, public institution of higher learning or private institution of higher learning;
:{{Anchor|16.2.d}}(''d'') any person providing healthcare services in a Government healthcare facility or private healthcare facility as defined in section 2 of the Private Healthcare Facilities and Services Act 1998 [''Act 586''];
:{{Anchor|16.2.e}}(''e'') a coach; and
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After this inauspicious beginning, the Centaur launch of a revolutionary, very heavy Orbiting Astronomical Observatory (OAO), managed by Goddard Space Flight Center, was more successful.&lt;ref&gt;“AC-16 Centaur Flight Evaluation Report,” Glenn Research Center, DEB Archives, Box AC-15 to AC-24, Division Atlas/Centaur Project Office. See also Mike Reynolds, “The Orbiting Astronomical Observatories,” in ''USA in Space'', eds. Frank N. Magill and Russell R. Tobias (Pasadena, CA: Salem Press, Inc., 1996), 471; and Homer Newell, ''Beyond the Atmosphere'', 145.&lt;/ref&gt; The great weight of OAO was an unavoidable attribute because it required extremely sophisticated optical instrumentation. Considerable weight was also taken up by basic equipment such as power supplies, temperature control, and tracking and telemetering equipment. The first OAO, launched by Atlas-Agena D in 1966, had failed.&lt;ref&gt;“The Orbiting Astronomical Observatory,” ''Sky and Telescope'' (December 1962): 339–340.&lt;/ref&gt;

OAO-2, launched in December 1968, weighed 4,450 pounds.&lt;ref&gt;“Atlas/Centuar-16 Orbiting Astronomical Observatory-2 Final Field Report,” 17 October 1969, Box AC-15 to AC-24, Division Atlas/Centaur Project Office, NASA GRC Records.&lt;/ref&gt; Its main objective was to make unprecedented, precise telescopic observations 480 miles above Earth, where the atmosphere produced fewer optical distortions. Because the payload was too large for the Atlas-Centaur nose fairing, engineers used the Atlas-Agena fairing and connected the OAO to the front of Centaur with the Agena adapter.&lt;ref&gt;“AC-16 Centaur Flight Evaluation Report,” Glenn Research Center, DEB Archives, Box AC-15 to AC-24, Division Atlas/Centaur Project Office. See also G. R. Richards and Joel W. Powell, “The Centaur Vehicle,” ''British Interplanetary Society'' 42 (1 March 1989): 108.&lt;/ref&gt; Four days after a flawless Atlas-Centaur launch, the OAO onboard experiments immediately began showing the presence of star fields, returning thousands of unique images and mapping the northern skies.&lt;ref&gt;Arthur Code quotation found in “OAO-B Launch,” General Release, Box AC-15 to AC-24, Division Atlas/Centaur Project Office, NASA GRC Records. Arthur D. Code, ed., ''The Scientific Results from the Orbiting Astronomical Observatory'' (Washington, DC: NASA SP-310, 1972).&lt;/ref&gt;

An even heavier and more complex scientific satellite, OAO-3, was launched in November 1970 but never reached orbit. When the Centaur computer attempted to jettison the nose fairing around&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rule|align=left|8em}}{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Fight your little fight, my boy
fight and be a man.
Don't be a good little, good little boy
being as good as you can

and agreeing with all the mealy-mouthed, mealy-mouthed
truths that the sly trot out
to protect themselves and their greedy-mouthed, greedy-mouthed
cowardice, every old lout.

Don't live up to the dear little girl who costs
you your manhood, and makes you pay.
Nor the dear old mater who so proudly boasts
that you'll make your way.

Don't earn golden opinions, opinions golden,
or at least worth Treasury notes,
from all sorts of men; don't be beholden
to the herd inside the pen.

Don't long to have dear little, dear little boys
whom you'll have to educate
to earn their living; nor yet girls, sweet joys
who will find it so hard to mate.
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Fight your little fight, my boy
fight and be a man.
Don't be a good little, good little boy
being as good as you can

and agreeing with all the mealy-mouthed, mealy-mouthed
truths that the sly trot out
to protect themselves and their greedy-mouthed, greedy-mouthed
cowardice, every old lout.

Don't live up to the dear little girl who costs
you your manhood, and makes you pay.
Nor the dear old mater who so proudly boasts
that you'll make your way.

Don't earn golden opinions, opinions golden,
or at least worth Treasury notes,
from all sorts of men; don't be beholden
to the herd inside the pen.

Don't long to have dear little, dear little boys
whom you'll have to educate
to earn their living; nor yet girls, sweet joys
who will find it so hard to mate.
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Upon the plan of those Memoirs, he afterwards composed a 
Latin poem in three books, in which he carried down the history 
to the end of his exile, but did not publish it for several years, 
from motives of delicacy. The three books were severally inscribed to the three Muses; but of this work there now remain only a few fragments, scattered in different parts of his other writings. He published, about the same time, a collection of the principal speeches which he had made in his consulship, under the title of his Consular Orations. They consisted originally of twelve; but four are entirely lost, and some of the rest are imperfect. He now published also, in Latin verse, a translation of the Prognostics of Aratus, of which work no more than two or three small fragments now remain. A few years after, he put the last hand to his Dialogues upon the Character and Idea of the perfect Orator. This admirable work remains entire; a monument both of the astonishing industry and transcendent abilities of its author. At his Cuman villa, he next began a Treatise on Politics, or on the best State of a City, and the Duties of a Citizen. He calls it a great and a laborious work, yet worthy of his pains, if he could succeed in it. This likewise was written in the form of a dialogue, in which the speakers were Scipio, Lælius, Philus, Manilius, and other great persons in the 
former times of the Republic. It was comprised in six books, and survived him for several ages, though it is now unfortunately lost. From the fragments which remain, it appears to have been a masterly production, in which all the important questions in politics and morality were discussed with elegance and accuracy.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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opinions of all the philosophers who had written anything concerning it, but weighs and compares attentively all the arguments 
with each other; forming upon the whole such a rational and perfect system of natural religion, as never before was presented to the consideration of mankind, and approaching nearly to revelation. He now likewise composed in two books, a discourse on Divination, in which he discusses at large all the arguments that may be advanced for and against the actual existence of such a species of knowledge. Like the preceding works, it is written in the form of dialogue, and in which the chief speaker is Lælius. The same period gave birth to his treatise on Old Age, called Cato Major; and to that on Friendship, written also in dialogue, and in which the chief speaker is Lælius. This book, considered merely as an essay, is one of the most entertaining productions of ancient times; but, beheld as a picture drawn from life, exhibiting the real characters and sentiments of men of the first distinction for virtue and wisdom in the Roman Republic, it becomes doubly interesting to every reader of observation and taste. Cicero now also wrote his discourse on Fate, which was the subject of a conversation with Hirtius, in his villa near Puteoli; and he executed about the same time a translation of Plato's celebrated Dialogue, called Timæus, on the nature and origin of the universe. He was employing himself also on a history of his own times, or rather of his own conduct; full of free and severe reflections on those who had abused their power to the oppression of the Republic. Dion Cassius says, that he delivered this book sealed up to his son, with strict orders not to read or publish it till after his death; but from this time he never saw his son, and it is probable that he left the work unfinished. Afterwards, however, some 
copies of it were circulated; from which his commentator, Asconius, has quoted several particulars.

During a voyage which he undertook to Sicily, he wrote his treatise on Topics, or the Art of finding Arguments on any Question. This was an abstract from Aristotle's treatise on the same subject; and though he had neither Aristotle nor any other book to assist him, he drew it up from his memory, and finished it as he sailed along the coast of Calabria. The last&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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virgin forest, and ''sun'', game, which euphony changes to ''tu''.&lt;/ref&gt; The Jaguar,&lt;ref&gt;''Jaguar'', amongst the aborigines, was applied to all the
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meant &quot;the great eater.&quot; It is derived from ''ja'', &quot;us,&quot; and
''guara'', &quot;the voracious.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Lord of the Forest,
and the Anajê, Lord of the Clouds, combat the enemy
alone.&quot;

&quot;Dirt be in the vile mouth which raises its voice
against the bravest of the Tabajára braves.&quot;

Saying these words, Irapúam brandished his fatal
tomahawk, but his arm stopped in the air. The
bowels of the earth again rumbled as they had
rumbled when Araken awoke the awful voice of
Tupan.

The braves raise a cry of fear, and, surrounding
their Chief, force him away from the funest spot and
the wrath of Tupan, so evidently roused against them.

Cauby once more lay down across the threshold;
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The voice of Tupan became silent.

Iraçéma and the Christian, lost in the depths of
the earth, descended into a deep grotto. Suddenly a
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ears.

&quot;Does the Sea-Warrior listen to the words of his
brother?&quot;

&quot;It is Poty, the friend of thy guest,&quot; said the Christian to the maid.

Iraçéma trembled.

&quot;He speaks by the mouth of Tupan.&quot;

Martim then answered the Pytiguára―

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''guara'', &quot;the voracious.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Lord of the Forest,
and the Anajê, Lord of the Clouds, combat the enemy
alone.&quot;

&quot;Dirt be in the vile mouth which raises its voice
against the bravest of the Tabajára braves.&quot;

Saying these words, Irapúam brandished his fatal
tomahawk, but his arm stopped in the air. The
bowels of the earth again rumbled as they had
rumbled when Araken awoke the awful voice of
Tupan.

The braves raise a cry of fear, and, surrounding
their Chief, force him away from the funest spot and
the wrath of Tupan, so evidently roused against them.

Cauby once more lay down across the threshold;
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The voice of Tupan became silent.

Iraçéma and the Christian, lost in the depths of
the earth, descended into a deep grotto. Suddenly a
voice arising from the cavernous depths filled their
ears.

&quot;Does the Sea-Warrior listen to the words of his
brother?&quot;

&quot;It is Poty, the friend of thy guest,&quot; said the Christian to the maid.

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&quot;His brother orders and Poty speaks. Ere the sun
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&quot;Not one. Poty came alone with his arms. When
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from his brother, Poty followed his trail. His heart
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&quot;The Pytiguára Chief is alone; he must not sound
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Such are the literary productions of this extraordinary man, whose comprehensive understanding enabled him to conduct with superior ability the most abstruse disquisitions into moral and metaphysical science. Born in an age posterior to Socrates and Plato, he could not anticipate the principles inculcated by those divine philosophers, but he is justly entitled to the praise, not only of having prosecuted with unerring judgment the steps which they trod before him, but of carrying his researches to greater extent into the most difficult regions of philosophy. This too he had the merit to perform, neither in the station of a private citizen, nor in the leisure of academic retirement, but in the bustle of public life, amidst the almost constant exertions of the bar, the employment of the magistrate, the duty of the senator, and the incessant cares of the statesman; through a period likewise chequered with domestic afflictions and fatal commotions in the Republic. As a philosopher, his mind appears to have been clear, capacious, penetrating, and insatiable of knowledge. As a writer, he was endowed with every talent that could captivate either the judgment or taste. His researches were continually employed on subjects of the greatest utility to mankind, and those often such as extended beyond the narrow bounds of temporal existence. The being of a God, the immortality of the soul, a future state of rewards and punishments, and the eternal distinction of good and evil; these were in general the great objects of his philosophical enquiries, and he has placed them in a more convincing point of view than they ever were before exhibited to the pagan world. The variety and force of the arguments which he advances, the splendour of his diction, and the zeal with which he endeavours to excite the love and admiration of virtue, all conspire to place his character, as a philosophical writer, including likewise his incomparable eloquence, on the summit of human celebrity.

The form of dialogue, so much used by Cicero, he doubtless adopted in imitation of Plato, who probably took the hint of it from the colloquial method of instruction practised by Socrates. In the early stage of philosophical enquiry, this mode of composition was well adapted, if not to the discovery, at least to the confirmation of moral truth; especially as the practice was then not uncommon, for speculative men to converse together on important subjects, for mutual information. In treating of any subject respecting which the different sects of philosophers differed&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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staunch and brave. Irapúam is crafty and treacherous
as the Acauan.&lt;ref&gt;The ''Acauan'' is a Secretary-bird that destroys serpents. The
word is from ''caa'', wood, and ''uan'', from ''n'', &quot;to eat&quot;—a wood-eater.&lt;/ref&gt; Before the stranger can reach the
forest he must fall, and his brother must also fall with
him.&quot;

&quot;What can the Tabajára maid do to save the
stranger and his brother?&quot; asked Martim.

&quot;One more sun and another must rise, then the
moon of flowers&lt;ref&gt;''A lua das flores'', the moon of flowers.&lt;/ref&gt; will appear. It is the feast-time
when the Tabajára braves pass the night in the Sacred
Wood and receive from the Pagé their happy dreams.
When they are all sleeping, the white warrior will
leave the plains of Ipú, and will vanish from the eyes
of Iraçéma, but not from her soul.&quot;

Martim strained the maiden to his breast, but soon
he gently repelled her. The contact of her beautiful
form, sweet as the forest lily, warm as the nest of the
Beijaflor,&lt;ref&gt;''Beijaflor'', literally Kiss-flower, the humming-bird.&lt;/ref&gt; was as a thorn in his heart. He remembered
the awful warning of the Pagé.

The voice of the Christian repeated to Poty the
project of Iraçéma; the Pytiguára chief, prudent as
the Tamanduá, took thought, and then replied—

&quot;Wisdom has spoken by the mouth of the Tabajára
Virgin. Poty will wait the moon of flowers.&quot;
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;Half way through the meal, Lupe extracted a pocket comb from Gary's coat and coiffed his dishevelled locks, while the big boy from the great open spaces—the guy with the heart of ice—submitted fatuously and actually liked it. 

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{{di|T}}HIS is the sad story of a Film You'll Never See. 

J. C. Nugent, late of vaudeville, was brought to Hollywood to direct short subjects. 

Nugent's first assignment was to film his own act. 

In their ignorance the executives, hoping to please, assembled what they thought would be a very nice little cast for Mr. Nugent. 

Among the players summoned were Conrad Nagel, Dorothy Sebastian, Karl Dane, George K. Arthur, Polly Moran and Eddie Nugent. 

J. C. walked on the set and looked the players over. &quot;Now see here,&quot; he began, &quot;I'm the director of this opera and I don't want any back talk from actors. I'll tell you how this thing is to be played.&quot;


{{di|T}}HE actors gulped a couple of gulps and tried to look nonchalant. Nugent continued, as he turned to Conrad Nagel: &quot;They tell me you're a pretty good leading man,&quot; he said, &quot;but I never heard of you, see? To me you're just another actor.&quot; This, of course, was received with loud cheers from Conrad.

&quot;And,&quot; said Nugent, looking at Dorothy Sebastian, &quot;I understand you're famous. But you've got to prove it to me.&quot;

The complete account of the ensuing two hours is too grewsome to relate. The short subject will not be filmed! 


{{di|C}}OME to your local theater and take left-overs. That's what a new Fox opus, &quot;Words and Music,&quot; will be. The phrase is used without attempt to belittle. 

When &quot;Fox Movietone Follies&quot; was made, Lois Moran had an important role. There were many numbers where she did excellent work. And there were several catchy tunes for her to sing. But when the picture was completed it was much too long. Certain sequences had to be cut out. Lois was removed bodily by a film editor's shears. But the stuff was all good. The numbers were elaborate. Lois proved herself clever. The tunes were catchy. 

Therefore James Tingling was given the job of directing a half-finished picture. The left-overs or cut-outs are the basis for &quot;Words and Music.&quot;


{{di|G|fl=&quot;}}OOD-BYE,&quot; said Bill Powell as he boarded a train for the Grand Canyon of Arizona, &quot;I have decided to get to the bottom of things.&quot;


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{{di|W}}ADDLES is dead. She is survived by her best friend and severest critic, Louise Fazenda.

Twelve years ago Louise and Waddles, the Mack Sennett trained duck, crashed the studio gates together. You remember the pair in many comedies, don't you? 

Long ago Louise retired Waddles on a pension of good food and comfortable lodgings. Waddles lived in the back yard of the comedienne's Wilshire home, and although she was not young when she entered pictures, Louise had come to regard her as a permanent fixture. 

Now she is gone and Louise mourns her loss. 


{{di|W}}ILLIAM HAINES must have his little joke, in case some
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;Half way through the meal, Lupe extracted a pocket comb from Gary's coat and coiffed his dishevelled locks, while the big boy from the great open spaces—the guy with the heart of ice—submitted fatuously and actually liked it. 

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{{di|T}}HIS is the sad story of a Film You'll Never See. 

J. C. Nugent, late of vaudeville, was brought to Hollywood to direct short subjects. 

Nugent's first assignment was to film his own act. 

In their ignorance the executives, hoping to please, assembled what they thought would be a very nice little cast for Mr. Nugent. 

Among the players summoned were Conrad Nagel, Dorothy Sebastian, Karl Dane, George K. Arthur, Polly Moran and Eddie Nugent. 

J. C. walked on the set and looked the players over. &quot;Now see here,&quot; he began, &quot;I'm the director of this opera and I don't want any back talk from actors. I'll tell you how this thing is to be played.&quot;


{{di|T}}HE actors gulped a couple of gulps and tried to look nonchalant. Nugent continued, as he turned to Conrad Nagel: &quot;They tell me you're a pretty good leading man,&quot; he said, &quot;but I never heard of you, see? To me you're just another actor.&quot; This, of course, was received with loud cheers from Conrad.

&quot;And,&quot; said Nugent, looking at Dorothy Sebastian, &quot;I understand you're famous. But you've got to prove it to me.&quot;

The complete account of the ensuing two hours is too grewsome to relate. The short subject will not be filmed! 


{{di|C}}OME to your local theater and take left-overs. That's what a new Fox opus, &quot;Words and Music,&quot; will be. The phrase is used without attempt to belittle. 

When &quot;Fox Movietone Follies&quot; was made, Lois Moran had an important role. There were many numbers where she did excellent work. And there were several catchy tunes for her to sing. But when the picture was completed it was much too long. Certain sequences had to be cut out. Lois was removed bodily by a film editor's shears. But the stuff was all good. The numbers were elaborate. Lois proved herself clever. The tunes were catchy. 

Therefore James Tingling was given the job of directing a half-finished picture. The left-overs or cut-outs are the basis for &quot;Words and Music.&quot;


{{di|G|fl=&quot;}}OOD-BYE,&quot; said Bill Powell as he boarded a train for the Grand Canyon of Arizona, &quot;I have decided to get to the bottom of things.&quot;


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{{di|W}}ADDLES is dead. She is survived by her best friend and severest critic, Louise Fazenda.

Twelve years ago Louise and Waddles, the Mack Sennett trained duck, crashed the studio gates together. You remember the pair in many comedies, don't you? 

Long ago Louise retired Waddles on a pension of good food and comfortable lodgings. Waddles lived in the back yard of the comedienne's Wilshire home, and although she was not young when she entered pictures, Louise had come to regard her as a permanent fixture. 

Now she is gone and Louise mourns her loss. 


{{di|W}}ILLIAM HAINES must have his little joke, in case some
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It is difficult to say, whether Cicero appears in his letters more 
great or amiable: but that he was regarded by his contemporaries in both these lights, and that too in the highest degree, is sufficiently evident. We may thence infer, that the great poets in the subsequent age must have done violence to their own liberality and discernment, when, in compliment to Augustus, whose sensibility would have been wounded by the praises of Cicero, and even by the mention of his name, they have so industriously avoided the subject, as not to afford the most distant intimation that this immortal orator and philosopher had ever existed. Livy however, there is reason to think, did some justice to his memory: but it was not until the race of the Cæsars had become extinct, that he received the free and unanimous applause of impartial posterity. Such was the admiration which Quintilian entertained of his writings, that he considered the circumstance or being delighted with them, as an indubitable proof of judgment and taste in literature. ''Ille se profecisse sciat, cui Cicero valde placebit''.&lt;ref&gt;He who has a devoted admiration of Cicero, may be sure that he has made no slight proficiency himself.&lt;/ref&gt;
 
In this period is likewise to be placed M. Terentius Varro, the celebrated Roman grammarian, and the Nestor of ancient learning. The first mention made of him is, that he was lieutenant to Pompey in his piratical wars, and obtained in that service a nava, crown. In the civil wars he joined the side of the Republic, and was taken by Cæsar; by whom he was likewise proscribed, but obtained a remission of the sentence. Of all the ancients, he has acquired the greatest fame for his extensive erudition; and we may add, that he displayed the same industry in communicating, as he had done in collecting it. His works originally amounted to no less than five hundred volumes, which have all perished, except a treatise ''De Lingua Latina'' and one ''De Re Rustica''. Of the former of these, which is addressed to Cicero, three books at the beginning are also lost. It appears from the introduction of the fourth book, that they all related to etymology. The first contained such observations as might be made against it; the second, such as might be made in its favour; and the third, observations upon it. He next proceeds to investigate the origin of&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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This author's treatise ''De Re Rustica'' was undertaken at the desire of a friend, who, having purchased some lands, requested of Varro the favour of his instructions relative to farming, and the economy of a country life, in its various departments. Though Varro was at this time in his eightieth year, he writes with all the vivacity, though without the levity, of youth, and sets out with invoking, not the Muses, like Homer and Ennius, as he observes, but the twelve deities supposed to be chiefly concerned in the operations of agriculture. It appears from the account which he gives, that upwards of fifty Greek authors had treated of this subject in prose, besides Hesiod and Menecrates the Ephesian, who both wrote in verse; exclusive likewise of many Roman writers, and of Mago the Carthaginian, who wrote in the Punic language. Varro's work is divided into three books, the first of which treats of agriculture; the second, of rearing of cattle; and the third, of feeding animals for the use of the table.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Nor a dear little home, with its cost, its cost
that you have to pay,
earning your living while your life is lost
and dull death comes in a day.

Don't be sucked in by the su-superior,
don't swallow the culture bait,
don't drink, don't drink and get beerier and beerier,
do learn to discriminate.

Do hold yourself together, and fight
with a hit-hit here and a hit-hit there,
and a comfortable feeling at night
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A little fresh air in the money sty,
knocked a little hole in the holy prison,
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We find from Quintilian, that Varro likewise composed satires in various kinds of verse. It is impossible to behold the numerous fragments of this venerable author without feeling the strongest regret for the loss of that vast collection of information which he had compiled, and of judicious observations which he had made on a variety of subjects, during a life of eighty-eight years, almost entirely devoted to literature. The remark of St. Augustine is well founded, That it is astonishing how Varro, who read such a number of books, could find time to compose so many volumes; and how he who composed so many volumes, could be at leisure to peruse such a variety of books, and to gain so much literary information.

Catullus is said to have been born at Verona, of respectable parents; his father and himself being in the habit of intimacy with Julius Cæsar. He was brought to Rome by Mallius, to whom several of his epigrams are addressed. The gentleness of his manners, and his application to study, we are told, recommended him to general esteem; and he had the good fortune to obtain the patronage of Cicero. When he came to be known as a poet, all these circumstances would naturally contribute to increase his reputation for ingenuity; and accordingly we find his genius applauded by several of his contemporaries. It appears that his works are not transmitted entire to posterity; but there remain sufficient specimens by which we may be enabled to appreciate his poetical talents.

Quintilian, and Diomed the grammarian, have ranked Catullus amongst the iambic writers, while others have placed him amongst the lyric. He has properly a claim to each of these stations; but his versification being chiefly iambic, the former of the arrangements seems to be the most suitable. The principal merit of Catullus's Iambics consists in a simplicity of thought and expression. The thoughts, however, are often frivolous, and, what is yet more reprehensible, the author gives way to gross obscenity: in vindication of which, he produces the following couplet, declaring that a good poet ought to be chaste in his own person, but that his verses need not be so.&lt;blockquote&gt;
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{{Anchor|24.0}}'''24.''' Sections 173{{Sc|a}}, 293 and 294 of the Criminal Procedure Code shall not apply in respect of any offence under this Act, or any offence specified in the Schedule where the victim is a child, if the person convicted of such offence is of or above the age of eighteen years.

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{{Anchor|26.1}}'''26.''' (1) The court may, in addition to any punishment imposed for any offence under this Act, or any offence specified in the Schedule where the victim is a child, order period of rehabilitative counselling on the person convicted of such offence within the period of his detention.

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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;appear still more unfavorable for the village population upon further consideration.

The deputies from the city Soviets to the All-Russian Congress are elected directly and straight from the city Soviets, which represent the populations of the cities. The deputies of the country or village populations are not selected directly by the Soviets of the respective settlements, but by the Gubernia Congress, i. e., through a three-grade system. This will not appear significant until we examine the construction of the Gubernia Soviet Congress as outlined in the Constitution. Article 53, paragraph B, states as follows: &quot;The Gubernia (circuit) Congresses of Soviets are composed of representatives of city Soviets and volost (village district) Congresses on the basis of one deputy for every 10,000 of population and from the cities at the rate of one deputy for every 2,000 voters, but the number shall not exceed 300 for the entire Gubernia (circuit).&quot; We thus see that in these Gubernia Congresses, which are to elect the deputies of the village population to the All-Russian Congress, there are participating not only the local deputies of the village population, but deputies from the cities as well, and in a double proportion at that, i. e., deputies from the city Soviets and deputies elected directly by the city voters. It stands to reason that when these Gubernia Congresses elect deputies to the All-Russian Congress, they will elect representatives not only from the villages and settlements, but also men from the cities, which will still further reduce the proportion of the peasantry's representation in the central organ of the Soviets which decides the fate of all Russia.

We thus see that the electoral law is so framed as to insure for the city population a preponderant representation in comparison with the village population. It was done, obviously, for party purposes, as the village is less inclined to Bolshevism than the population of the cities, and it was deemed expedient to give the peasantry, which makes up 80 per cent of the population of Russia, a weaker representation than the city workmen.

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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;voters. Only the following few words cover this entire matter: &quot;Elections are to be conducted in accordance with established customs, upon days designated by local Soviets&quot; (Article No. 66).

And that is all. Whether these customs are good or bad, whether they will guarantee the electors freedom of voting or not, or whether these elections may be substituted by some neatly masked appointments by the administrative authorities (such &quot;customs&quot; were known to have happened in the old Tzarist days of ill-repute), nothing is indicated in the law, and, consequently, a wide opportunity and latitude is hereby presented for various manifestations in the voting and the carrying out of the will of the various commissaries and administrators instead of the will of the people. In fact, the elections are conducted everywhere at open meetings by a simple showing of hands.

Aside from unjust and faulty representation, the organization of the Soviets and the Executive Committees is entirely too cumbersome, and keeps thousands of people out of productive employment and constantly on the go from congress to congress and from meeting to meeting. When we consider that the &quot;term of a Soviet deputy's tenure of authority is only three months&quot; we get a complete picture of the constant process of elections and re-elections of deputies. Of course, all this hampers materially the productivity of these Soviets.

Here are the rungs in the Soviet ladder of elections:

Town and Village Soviets

Village district (volost) Soviets and their Executive Committees

County (ooyezd) Soviets and their Executive Committees

Provincial (gubernia) Soviets and their Executive Committees

Territorial Soviets and their Executive Committees

The All-Russian Congress and its Executive Committee.

It will be noted that only the village and the city Soviets are elected directly. All the others are elected through a mixed process, and some receive their mandate through a five-grade sifting.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;We have noted above that the main Soviet Congress styles itself the &quot;All-Russian Congress of Workmen's, Peasants', Cossacks' and Red Army Deputies,&quot; but, in spite of all investigation, we have not found any indication of the manner of election of deputies from the army to the Soviets, either in the Soviet Constitution or in the decrees about the Red Army at our disposal. It is difficult, therefore, for us to state the proportion of the Red Army deputies in the All-Russian Congress. But, judging by the Soviet leaders' clever manipulations in providing for the preponderant numerical advantage of the city workers over the peasants in the Ail-Russian Congress, we may rest assured that they have not failed to make the proper provisions for the Red Army, the real mainstay of the so-called Soviet rule.

We see, therefore, that the elections to the Soviet are neither universal, equal, secret nor direct. From this cursory analysis of the construction of the Soviets we may conclude that even without any misuse of authority or invasion of rights, the representative organs of the Soviets are not the expression of the popular will, but the representation of certain privileged classes, the representation of a small minority to the detriment of the overwhelming majority. And as in present-day Soviet Russia the central authorities have adequate possibilities to control the local powers and to rule the entire country even under the general and imperfect laws adopted by them, it goes without saying that party rule is having even fuller sway in Russia to-day than it had in the days of Tzarism.
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Much has been said of this poet's invective against Cæsar, which produced no other effect than an invitation to sup at the dictator's house. It was indeed scarcely entitled to the honour of the smallest resentment. If any could be shewn, it must have been for the freedom used by the author, and not for any novelty in his lampoon. There are two poems on this subject, viz. the twenty-ninth and fifty-seventh, in each of which Cæsar is joined with Mamurra, a Roman knight, who had acquired great riches in the Gallic war. For the honour of Catullus's gratitude, we should suppose that the latter is the one to which historians allude: but, as poetical compositions, they are equally unworthy of regard. The fifty seventh is nothing more than a broad repetition of the raillery, whether well or ill founded, with which Cæsar was attacked on various occasions, and even in the senate, after his return from Bithynia. Cæsar had been taunted with this subject for upwards of thirty years; and after so long a familiarity with reproach, his sensibility to the scandalous imputation must now have been much diminished, if not entirely extinguished. The other poem is partly in the same strain, but extended to greater length, by a mixture of common jocular ribaldry of the Roman soldiers, expressed nearly in the same terms which Cæsar's legions, though strongly attached to his person, scrupled not to sport publicly in the streets of Rome, against their general, during the celebration of his triumph. In a word, it deserves to be regarded as an effusion of Saturnalian licentiousness, rather than of poetry. With respect to the Iambics of Catullus, we may observe in general, that the sarcasm is indebted for its force, not so much to ingenuity of sentiment, as to. the indelicate nature of the subject, or coarseness of expression.

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{{di|Q}}UITE frequenly in the American press and in conversation with Americans who have studied Russia for a month or two from a hotel window, the opinion is voiced that the Bolsheviki are the Simon-pure revolutionists of Russia, the vigilant guardians of the true interests of the
people, and that they are opposed only by those elements who strive to turn Russia back to her past and to restore autocracy and the privileges which they lost after the Bolshevist coup d'état and rise to power in November, 1917.

This prejudiced and biased view is quite widespread, and it is necessary, in the interests of truth, to combat it. We will attempt, therefore, to draw in brief a general outline of the forces which are arrayed against the Bolsheviki in Russia.

The March Revolution of 1917, as stated already, came to pass practically without bloodshed, and it captured the heart of the world with its charming beauty. With the exception of some bureaucrats and a few conscientious monarchists, upholders of the old order, there were no malcontents in Russia in the early days of the Revolution. In the process of the Revolution, however, the Provisional Government found it necessary to respond to one general demand of the great masses of the people, and the performance of its duty in that direction created a number of malcontents. We speak of the disbanding of the police and the gendarmes.

The hatred of the Russian people for the police, and particularly the gendarmes, is only too well known. Soon after the Revolution insistent demands came from all sides for the dispersal of the police and the gendarmes. This demand had to be complied with, and they were disbanded; and as all of them were ex-soldiers, it was demanded that they be sent to the front. This was also conceded.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;This last decision, however, was fatal for the Army. In consequence of this act there appeared at the front and in the rear of the Army the old police and gendarmes who were the enemies of the Provisional Government because it had deprived them of their former places and means of existence. Their attention, naturally, was attracted by the group which raised the banner of struggle against the Provisional Government in the name of a so-called better future ; which promised its followers a new, hitherto untried world, and, principally, immediate benefits and wealth; a speedy end to the war, bread to the hungry, the factories to the workers, the land to the peasants, and all of this at once—through confiscation and division.

These banished police and gendarmes were certainly not attracted to this program by the higher motives and strivings of some of the idealists among the Bolsheviki. To them it held out a promise of immediate advantages and, principally, a chance to start a fight against the Provisional Government which had deprived them of their former privileges.

Thus, almost all of the old police and gendarmes joined the Bolsheviki and began to work actively with them. This proved to be of formidable assistance to the Bolsheviki in the early period of their agitation in the Army, both at the front and in the rear. Whenever news was received from the front that this or the other regiment, under the influence of agitation, had refused to obey orders, and that such a decision had been adopted by the regimental committee, these reports invariably brought the information that the chairman of such a regimental committee or his assistant, or its most active member, was either an old gendarme, a policeman or an ex-member of the Okhrana. And this disruptive activity was carried on not by plain soldiers only. Privates and officers alike, who had formerly belonged to the old police and the gendarmes' corps, took part in it.

Who led the troops against Kerensky in the first days of the November Bolshevist usurpation of power? Colonel Valden, the former commander of the Rostov gendarme district. Who commanded the soldiers, incited by the Bolsheviki, against the headquarters of General Dukhonin, who refused to obey the order&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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While Lucretius was engaged in this work, he fell into a state of insanity, occasioned, as is supposed, by a philtre, or love-potion, given him by his wife Lucilia. The complaint, however, having lucid intervals, he employed them in the execution of his plan, and, soon after it was finished, laid violent hands upon himself, in the forty-third year of his age. This fatal termination of his life, which perhaps proceeded from insanity, was ascribed by his friends and admirers to his concern for the banishment of one Memmius, with whom he was intimately connected, and for the distracted state of the republic. It was, however, a catastrophe which the principles of Epicurus, equally erroneous and irreconcilable to resignation and fortitude, authorized in particular circumstances. Even Atticus, the celebrated correspondent of Cicero, a few years after this period, had recourse to the same desperate expedient, by refusing all sustenance, while he laboured under a lingering disease.

It is said that Cicero revised the poem of Lucretius after the death of the author, and this circumstance is urged by the abettors of atheism, as a proof that the principles contained in the work had the sanction of his authority. But no inference in favour of Lucretius's doctrine can justly be drawn from this {{hws|cir|circumstance}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;of the Bolsheviki to begin armistice negotiations with the Germans? Lieutenant Schneur, an agent-provocateur of the old Government, arrested later by the Bolsheviki themselves.

Who led the army detachments removed by the Bolsheviki from the German front, against the Ukraine, which had a genuinely democratic Government at that time and was straining all its energies to present a fighting front to the Austro-Hungarians ? Colonel Muraviev, a Moscow police captain under the Tzar, discharged by the Provisional Government.

We could go on recounting hundreds of names of old servants of the Tzar, true and tried and thoroughly saturated with monarchistic tendencies, who went over to the service of the Bolsheviki and with whom the latter always cooperated.

Thus, the group of Bolsheviki which was seeking to &quot;deepen&quot; the Revolution found its early supporters among an element far away from the Revolution and from Socialism, an element to whom the former regime was not merely an ideal one, but a profitable one as well. We, therefore, do not hesitate to assert that the November upheaval which overturned the revolutionary Government,—a Government which made mistakes, but which, nevertheless, was full of idealism and faith in the invigorating mainsprings of true freedom,—that this upheaval was nothing less than a monarchist-Bolshevist counter-revolution.

We shall now direct our attention to those elements who rose against the Bolshevist domination and who enlisted in the front ranks of the struggle.

Who stood at the head of those who revolted against the usurpers? In Petgrograd it was the new City Council composed largely of Socialists and led by Socialists-Revolutionists. This Council, with the veteran Socialist-Revolutionist, Schreider, at its head, came out in defense of Free Russia in the fight for the Constituent Assembly. In Moscow it was also the Socialist City Council, with the veteran Socialists, Minor, Rudnev, and others, that opened the struggle against the usurpers.

The same happened everywhere.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;body rides up in a hearse and asks you. Those who know him have come to accept this fact cheerfully, or otherwise. However, there is one time that Billie wishes he had been a good boy. 

A newspaper woman, during an interview, asked Billie who played the female lead with him in &quot;The Duke Steps Out.&quot;

&quot;Oh, I don't remember,&quot; replied Billie, smiling. 

The interviewer took him at his word and printed just that. 

And, golly, didn't Joan Crawford burn and burn. 


{{di|T}}HERE is something darned insidious about this theme song business. Even Pauline Frederick, now at work on &quot;Evidence&quot; at Warner Brothers, will warble two numbers for the picture. 

Fans will undoubtedly be surprised at the richness of Miss Frederick's contralto voice. 

Unless Cal is mistaken it will be the first time this emotional star has used her voice in public since she sang &quot;Towsee Mongolay&quot; in
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{{di|A}}SK for a &quot;Joan Crawford Salad&quot; in the Metro-Goldwyn studio restaurant and you will get this—

The usual foundation of lettuce leaves heaped with diced chicken and raw tomato. 

This is Joan's reducing dish, and many lovely ladies are going for it to tone down the contours. 

And if you don't think it works, know that Joan, after a diet of this stuff, now wants to get back four or five pounds, and is not above dallying with a few spuds these days. 


{{di|W}}RITING of theme songs is becoming one of Hollywood's greatest industries. Every picture has its theme melody, and songs are turned out at the various studios about as rapidly as new-born flivvers. Tunes are growing scarce, with about everything in use from Handel's &quot;Messiah&quot; to &quot;London Bridge Is Falling Down.&quot;

A good title was suggested for a theme song to the new John Barrymore picture, &quot;General Crack,&quot; in production at Warner Brothers:

&quot;You may show your whole face to some other girl but you're only a profile to me.&quot;


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{{c|[CONTINUED FROM PAGE 88]}} 

&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;body rides up in a hearse and asks you. Those who know him have come to accept this fact cheerfully, or otherwise. However, there is one time that Billie wishes he had been a good boy. 

A newspaper woman, during an interview, asked Billie who played the female lead with him in &quot;The Duke Steps Out.&quot;

&quot;Oh, I don't remember,&quot; replied Billie, smiling. 

The interviewer took him at his word and printed just that. 

And, golly, didn't Joan Crawford burn and burn. 


{{di|T}}HERE is something darned insidious about this theme song business. Even Pauline Frederick, now at work on &quot;Evidence&quot; at Warner Brothers, will warble two numbers for the picture. 

Fans will undoubtedly be surprised at the richness of Miss Frederick's contralto voice. 

Unless Cal is mistaken it will be the first time this emotional star has used her voice in public since she sang &quot;Towsee Mongolay&quot; in
&quot;Innocent,&quot; fifteen years ago. 


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{{di|A}}SK for a &quot;Joan Crawford Salad&quot; in the Metro-Goldwyn studio restaurant and you will get this—

The usual foundation of lettuce leaves heaped with diced chicken and raw tomato. 

This is Joan's reducing dish, and many lovely ladies are going for it to tone down the contours. 

And if you don't think it works, know that Joan, after a diet of this stuff, now wants to get back four or five pounds, and is not above dallying with a few spuds these days. 


{{di|W}}RITING of theme songs is becoming one of Hollywood's greatest industries. Every picture has its theme melody, and songs are turned out at the various studios about as rapidly as new-born flivvers. Tunes are growing scarce, with about everything in use from Handel's &quot;Messiah&quot; to &quot;London Bridge Is Falling Down.&quot;

A good title was suggested for a theme song to the new John Barrymore picture, &quot;General Crack,&quot; in production at Warner Brothers:

&quot;You may show your whole face to some other girl but you're only a profile to me.&quot;


{{di|O}}NE of the most unusual, and at the same time the most painful, accidents that have occurred to a film player happened recently to Charles Morton, Fox star. He was playing hand ball, when the ball hit his eye, laying it entirely out upon the check. Because he had expert medical attention instantly, he will not lose the sight of the eye, but the accident has been a source of great worry to his friends. 
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III. His father Caius Octavius was, from his earliest years, a person both of opulence and distinction: for which reason I am surprised at those who say that he was a money-dealer,&lt;ref&gt;Argentarius; a banker, one who dealt in exchanging money, as well as lent his own funds at interest to borrowers. As a class, they possessed great wealth, and were persons of consideration in Rome at this period.&lt;/ref&gt; and was employed in scattering bribes, and canvassing for the candidates at elections, in the Campus Martius. For being bred up in all the affluence of a great estate, he attained with ease to honourable posts, and discharged the duties of them with much distinction. After his prætorship, he obtained by lot the province of Macedonia; in his way to which he cut off some banditti, the relics of the armies of Spartacus and Catiline, who had possessed themselves of the territory of Thurium; having received from the senate an extraordinary commission for that purpose. In his government of the province, he conducted himself with equal justice and resolution; for he defeated the Bessians and Thracians in a great battle, and treated the allies of the republic in such a manner, that there are extant letters from M. Tullius Cicero, in which he advises and exhorts his brother Quintus, who then held the proconsulship of Asia with no great reputation, to imitate the example of his neighbour Octavius, in gaining the affections of the allies of Rome.

IV. After quitting Macedonia, before he could declare himself a candidate for the consulship, he died suddenly, leaving behind him a daughter, the elder Octavia, by Ancharia; and another daughter, Octavia the younger, as well as Augustus, by Atia, who was the daughter of Marcus Atius Balbus, and Julia, sister to Caius Julius Cæsar. Balbus was, by the father's&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{sc|It}} is evident that descriptive petrography needs some generally accepted term for both a macroscopic and microscopic rock structure which is, in a certain sense, intermediate between those known as the ''granular'' or ''microgranitic'' and ''graphic'' or ''micropegmatitic''. Areas have been observed and variously described in many types of massive rocks, whose component minerals possess neither the complete independence of optical orientation characteristic of granular structures, nor the entire optical continuity of the separated portions of two interpenetrating crystal individuals. These areas are in fact occupied by a comparatively large individual of one mineral which is more or less completely filled with crystals or grains of other minerals, arranged with no reference to one another or to their host. This structure does not usually appear as distinct from the granular except when seen as a mottling of a large cleavage surface of the enclosing mineral in a hand specimen, or as an irregular spotting of a uniformly extinguishing area under the microscope. In ordinary light, such an area may appear quite granitic, but between crossed nicols it is very distinctive.

Like the graphic or micropegmatitic structure, this relation is most commonly observed between quartz and feldspar, especially in the groundmass of quartz-porphyries; but, like that structure, it is also by no means uncommon between many other species.

Essentially this structure was figured and described at length by the writer in a quartz-porphyry from near Tryberg, in the Black Forest, in 1883,&lt;ref&gt;Neues Jahrbuch für Min., etc., Beilage bd. 11, p. 607. Plate {{roman|12}}, figs. 3 and {{nowrap|3{{sup|a}},}} 1883.&lt;/ref&gt; although no particular name was at that time given to it. In 1886 the writer proposed the term ''poikilitic''&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}
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'''Abernethy''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). A biscuit, so named after its inventor, Dr Abernethy (''see'' {{al2|Dictionary|33|Bath Oliver|Bath Oliver}}).

'''Abisselfa''' (''Suffolk''). Alone. From 'A by itself, A'; an old English way of stating the alphabet.

'''Abney Park''' (''East London''). About 1860. An abbreviation of Abney Park cemetery, a burial ground for a large proportion of those who die in the East End of London. Cemetery is a difficult word which the ignorant always avoid. Now used figuratively, ''e''.''g''., 'Poor bloke, he's gone to Abney Park'—meaning that he is dead.

{{fsx|95%|We had a friendly lead in our court t'other night. Billy Johnson's kid snuffed it, and so all the coves about got up a 'friendly' to pay for the funeral to plant it decent in Abney.—''Cutting''.}}

'''About and About''' (''Soc''., 1890 on). Mere chatter, the conversation of fools who talk for sheer talking's sake, ''e''.''g''., 'A more about and about man never suggested or prompted sudden murder.'

{{fsx|95%|In an age of windy and pretentious gabble—when the number of persons who can, and will, chatter 'about and about' the various arts is in quite unprecedented disproportion to the number of those who are content to study these various arts in patience, and, above all, in silence—there was something eminently salutary in Millais' bluff contempt for the more presumptuous theories of the amateurs.—''D''. ''T''., 14th August 1896.}}

'''Above-board''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Frank, open. From sailors' lingo. Not between decks or in the hold, but above all the boards in the ship.

'''Abraham's Willing''' (''Rhyming''). Shilling. Generally reduced to willing, ''e''.''g''., 'Lend us a willing.'

{{fsx|95%|He don't care an Abraham's willing for anybody.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

'''Absolutely True''' (''Soc''., ab. 1880). Absolutely false, from the title of a book, the statements in which, of a ghostly character, were difficult of acceptation.

'''Abyssinian Medal''' (''Military''). A button gone astray from its button-hole, one in the region of abdomen. Introduced after the Abyssinian War. (''See'' Star in the East.)

'''Academy''' (''London''). A billiard-room. Imported from Paris, 1885.

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'''Abernethy''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). A biscuit, so named after its inventor, Dr Abernethy (''see'' {{al2|Dictionary|33|Bath Oliver|Bath Oliver}}).

'''Abisselfa''' (''Suffolk''). Alone. From 'A by itself, A'; an old English way of stating the alphabet.

'''Abney Park''' (''East London''). About 1860. An abbreviation of Abney Park cemetery, a burial ground for a large proportion of those who die in the East End of London. Cemetery is a difficult word which the ignorant always avoid. Now used figuratively, ''e''.''g''., 'Poor bloke, he's gone to Abney Park'—meaning that he is dead.

{{fsx|95%|We had a friendly lead in our court t'other night. Billy Johnson's kid snuffed it, and so all the coves about got up a 'friendly' to pay for the funeral to plant it decent in Abney.—''Cutting''.}}

'''About and About''' (''Soc''., 1890 on). Mere chatter, the conversation of fools who talk for sheer talking's sake, ''e''.''g''., 'A more about and about man never suggested or prompted sudden murder.'

{{fsx|95%|In an age of windy and pretentious gabble—when the number of persons who can, and will, chatter 'about and about' the various arts is in quite unprecedented disproportion to the number of those who are content to study these various arts in patience, and, above all, in silence—there was something eminently salutary in Millais' bluff contempt for the more presumptuous theories of the amateurs.—''D''. ''T''., 14th August 1896.}}

'''Above-board''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Frank, open. From sailors' lingo. Not between decks or in the hold, but above all the boards in the ship.

'''Abraham's Willing''' (''Rhyming''). Shilling. Generally reduced to willing, ''e''.''g''., 'Lend us a willing.'

{{fsx|95%|He don't care an Abraham's willing for anybody.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

'''Absolutely True''' (''Soc''., ab. 1880). Absolutely false, from the title of a book, the statements in which, of a ghostly character, were difficult of acceptation.

'''Abyssinian Medal''' (''Military''). A button gone astray from its button-hole, one in the region of abdomen. Introduced after the Abyssinian War. (''See'' Star in the East.)

'''Academy''' (''London''). A billiard-room. Imported from Paris, 1885.

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'''Abernethy''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). A biscuit, so named after its inventor, Dr Abernethy (''see'' {{al2|Dictionary|33|Bath Oliver|Bath Oliver}}).

'''Abisselfa''' (''Suffolk''). Alone. From 'A by itself, A'; an old English way of stating the alphabet.

'''Abney Park''' (''East London''). About 1860. An abbreviation of Abney Park cemetery, a burial ground for a large proportion of those who die in the East End of London. Cemetery is a difficult word which the ignorant always avoid. Now used figuratively, ''e''.''g''., 'Poor bloke, he's gone to Abney Park'—meaning that he is dead.

{{fsx|95%|We had a friendly lead in our court t'other night. Billy Johnson's kid snuffed it, and so all the coves about got up a 'friendly' to pay for the funeral to plant it decent in Abney.—''Cutting''.}}

'''About and About''' (''Soc''., 1890 on). Mere chatter, the conversation of fools who talk for sheer talking's sake, ''e''.''g''., 'A more about and about man never suggested or prompted sudden murder.'

{{fsx|95%|In an age of windy and pretentious gabble—when the number of persons who can, and will, chatter 'about and about' the various arts is in quite unprecedented disproportion to the number of those who are content to study these various arts in patience, and, above all, in silence—there was something eminently salutary in Millais' bluff contempt for the more presumptuous theories of the amateurs.—''D''. ''T''., 14th August 1896.}}

'''Above-board''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Frank, open. From sailors' lingo. Not between decks or in the hold, but above all the boards in the ship.

'''Abraham's Willing''' (''Rhyming''). Shilling. Generally reduced to willing, ''e''.''g''., 'Lend us a willing.'

{{fsx|95%|He don't care an Abraham's willing for anybody.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

'''Absolutely True''' (''Soc''., ab. 1880). Absolutely false, from the title of a book, the statements in which, of a ghostly character, were difficult of acceptation.

'''Abyssinian Medal''' (''Military''). A button gone astray from its button-hole, one in the region of abdomen. Introduced after the Abyssinian War. (''See'' Star in the East.)

'''Academy''' (''London''). A billiard-room. Imported from Paris, 1885.

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'''Academy Headache.''' When art became fashionable to a severe degree this malady appeared; now applied generically to headaches acquired at any art galleries.

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'''Abernethy''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). A biscuit, so named after its inventor, Dr Abernethy (''see'' {{al2|Dictionary|33|Bath Oliver|Bath Oliver}}).

'''Abisselfa''' (''Suffolk''). Alone. From 'A by itself, A'; an old English way of stating the alphabet.

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{{fsx|95%|We had a friendly lead in our court t'other night. Billy Johnson's kid snuffed it, and so all the coves about got up a 'friendly' to pay for the funeral to plant it decent in Abney.—''Cutting''.}}

'''About and About''' (''Soc''., 1890 on). Mere chatter, the conversation of fools who talk for sheer talking's sake, ''e''.''g''., 'A more about and about man never suggested or prompted sudden murder.'

{{fsx|95%|In an age of windy and pretentious gabble—when the number of persons who can, and will, chatter 'about and about' the various arts is in quite unprecedented disproportion to the number of those who are content to study these various arts in patience, and, above all, in silence—there was something eminently salutary in Millais' bluff contempt for the more presumptuous theories of the amateurs.—''D''. ''T''., 14th August 1896.}}

'''Above-board''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Frank, open. From sailors' lingo. Not between decks or in the hold, but above all the boards in the ship.

'''Abraham's Willing''' (''Rhyming''). Shilling. Generally reduced to willing, ''e''.''g''., 'Lend us a willing.'

{{fsx|95%|He don't care an Abraham's willing for anybody.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

'''Absolutely True''' (''Soc''., ab. 1880). Absolutely false, from the title of a book, the statements in which, of a ghostly character, were difficult of acceptation.

'''Abyssinian Medal''' (''Military''). A button gone astray from its button-hole, one in the region of abdomen. Introduced after the Abyssinian War. (''See'' Star in the East.)

'''Academy''' (''London''). A billiard-room. Imported from Paris, 1885.

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'''Abernethy''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). A biscuit, so named after its inventor, Dr Abernethy (''see'' {{al2|Dictionary|33|Bath Oliver|Bath Oliver}}).

'''Abisselfa''' (''Suffolk''). Alone. From 'A by itself, A'; an old English way of stating the alphabet.

'''Abney Park''' (''East London''). About 1860. An abbreviation of Abney Park cemetery, a burial ground for a large proportion of those who die in the East End of London. Cemetery is a difficult word which the ignorant always avoid. Now used figuratively, ''e''.''g''., 'Poor bloke, he's gone to Abney Park'—meaning that he is dead.

{{fsx|95%|We had a friendly lead in our court t'other night. Billy Johnson's kid snuffed it, and so all the coves about got up a 'friendly' to pay for the funeral to plant it decent in Abney.—''Cutting''.}}

'''About and About''' (''Soc''., 1890 on). Mere chatter, the conversation of fools who talk for sheer talking's sake, ''e''.''g''., 'A more about and about man never suggested or prompted sudden murder.'

{{fsx|95%|In an age of windy and pretentious gabble—when the number of persons who can, and will, chatter 'about and about' the various arts is in quite unprecedented disproportion to the number of those who are content to study these various arts in patience, and, above all, in silence—there was something eminently salutary in Millais' bluff contempt for the more presumptuous theories of the amateurs.—''D''. ''T''., 14th August 1896.}}

'''Above-board''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Frank, open. From sailors' lingo. Not between decks or in the hold, but above all the boards in the ship.

'''Abraham's Willing''' (''Rhyming''). Shilling. Generally reduced to willing, ''e''.''g''., 'Lend us a willing.'

{{fsx|95%|He don't care an Abraham's willing for anybody.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

'''Absolutely True''' (''Soc''., ab. 1880). Absolutely false, from the title of a book, the statements in which, of a ghostly character, were difficult of acceptation.

'''Abyssinian Medal''' (''Military''). A button gone astray from its button-hole, one in the region of abdomen. Introduced after the Abyssinian War. (''See'' Star in the East.)

'''Academy''' (''London''). A billiard-room. Imported from Paris, 1885.

{{fsx|95%|An edict has been promulgated (Paris) forbidding the playing of games of chance on public thoroughfares or in cafés for money, and it is chiefly directed against the billiard rooms, or academies as they are called here.—''D''. ''T''., 26th July 1894.}}

'''Academy Headache.''' When art became fashionable to a severe degree this malady appeared; now applied generically to headaches acquired at any art galleries.

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{{di|A}} {{uc|bee}} goes mumbling homeward pleased,
He has not slaved away his hours;
He’s drunken with a thousand healths
Of love and kind regard for flowers.
Pour out the wine,
His joy be mine.

Forgetful of affairs at home,
He has sipped oft and merrily;
Forgetful of his duty—Oh!
What can he say to his queen bee?
He says in wine,
“Boo to her shrine!”

The coward dog that wags his tail,
And rubs the nose with mangy curs,
And fearful says, “Come play, not fight,”
Knows not the draught to drown his fears;
Knows not the wine,
The ruby shine.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|87}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Poor beggar, breathless in yon barn,
Who fears a mouse to move thy straw,
Must Conscience pester thee all night,
And fear oppress with thoughts of law?
O dearth of wine,
No sleep is thine.

Is Bacchus not the god of gods,
Who gives to Beauty's cheeks their shine?
O Love, thou art a wingless worm;
Wouldst thou be winged, fill thee with wine;
Fill thee with wine,
And wings be thine.

Then, Bacchus, rule thy merry race,
And laws like thine who would not keep?
And when fools weep to hear us laugh,
We’ll laugh, ha! ha! to see them weep.
O god of wine,
My soul be thine.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|88}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I am a reed—a little reed
Down by the river,
A whim of God whose moment’s need
Was that the Giver
Might blow melodious and long
One cadence of eternal song.

Through me are blown
Wild whisperings of wind from hills
No sun hath known.
The splendour that Orion spills
On purple space;
The golden loom of Leo’s mane;
The scintillance of Vega’s face;
Dim unto dark:
And great Arcturus’ far refrain
Fades to a silence that is pain,
When, like a lark,
Riseth melodious and strong
That cadence of eternal song.
God is the Piper—I, the reed
Down by the river for his need.
He who in beauty goeth by
The marches of the meadowy sky,
A-piping on the many reeds}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|—53—}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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His canticle,
Paused in His playing;
For He found
An under-sound
Failed of the music that He made.
Wild winds went straying,
Like sheep lost on the daisied meads—
Scattered by discord and afraid,
Lost from the fold
They knew of old.
My God had need
Of one more reed—
Had need of me
To make the perfect harmony.
I am that under-sound,
That needed note.
Eternally the Piper tried
Reed after reed until He found
Me growing by the river side.
And laughing at the leaves that float
Forever down its burnished tide.

How frail my body is—how frail
And common of its kind;
A reed among a field of reeds
A-tremble to the wind—
The wind that threshes like a flail}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|—54—}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Though it is not uncommon in many minerals, it is less important and less frequent than the micropoikilitic structure in the groundmass of acid porphyritic rocks of all ages. When studying the ancient quartz-porphyries of Missouri for his thesis, Prof. E. Haworth encountered it and applied to it for the first time the name ''poecilitic''.&lt;ref&gt;Am. Geologist, vol. 1, pp. 368, 369; Pl. {{roman|1}}, fig. 1, June, 1888.&lt;/ref&gt; In this connection the writer furnished Dr. Haworth the following from his lecture notes:

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Until my body bleeds!
Yet through me such wild music blows
The Piper laughs among the stars.
Know you the Piper? Little scars
Burn on His brow, each shoulder shows
Wounds of a knotted scourge that fell
To hurt Him from the hands of Hell!
Welcome, O Wind!
All hail, O Pain!
One little reed—one little reed,
To fill the Piper’s far refrain,
Is broken till its body bleed;
Glad that the Minstrel Lord doth find
A tone of His eternal need.}}


{{c|AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK}}

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I am a priest upon whose head
: God long ago poured holy oil;
He gave to me a Word and said:
: “With this thou shalt mankind assoil!”

Since I went forth God to obey,
: Life has revealed me many things—
I find it very hard to say
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Bread to the eater, or the rest
: That follows toil; the love of friends,
Of books, of song—each is most blessed
: And always with contentment blends.

A stone, a faggot or a flower;
: A bird in rapture of its flight;
December-snow or April-shower;
: The velvet vastness of the night,

When Mother Moon has left the stars
: And with the winds gone gossiping—
Or leans upon the gate that bars
: Dawn from untimely entering.

These hold for me unending charm,
: Fill me with wonderment and awe
That men should ever think of harm,
: Fencing their lives about with law.

The world is such a lovely place—
: A jewelled pendant on Love’s chain!
I marvel that a human face
: Should pale with anger or with pain.

I marvel at the cry for bread
: That thunders round the waking world;
The tumult of the legion’s tread
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&quot;Who in Chalgan gives the heaviest loads to his horses to pull, and who works them the hardest?&quot;

Father Ivan answered:

&quot;The church warden. He carries the mail and drives the district policeman.&quot;

To that the Toyon answered:

&quot;Hand over this sluggard to the church warden for a horse and let him pull the policeman until he drops—we shall see what will happen next.&quot;

Just as the Toyon was saying these words, the door opened; his son entered the hut and sat down at his right hand.

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The risen lord, the risen lord
has opened his eyes afresh,
and sees strange looks on the faces of men
all held in leash.

And he says: I never have seen them before,
these people of flesh;
these are no spirits caught and sore
in the physical mesh.

They are substance itself, that flows in thick
flame of flesh forever travelling
like the flame of a candle, slow and quick
fluttering and softly unravelling.

It moves, it ripples, and all the time
it changes, and with it change
moods, thoughts, desires, and deeds that chime
with the rippling fleshly change.

I never saw them, how they must soften
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If they didn't, if they did not soften
themselves with oil, and lard
their guts with a certain fat, and often
laugh, and laugh hard

they would not be men, and they must be men,
they ''are'' their own flesh.—I lay
in the tomb and was not; I have risen again
to look the other way.

Lo! I am flesh, and the blood that races
is me in the narrows of my wrists.
Lo, I see fear in the twisted faces
of men, they clench fear in their fists!

Lo! on the other side the grave
I have conquered the fear of death,
but the fear of life is still here; I am brave
yet I fear my own breath.

Now I must conquer the fear of life,
the knock of the blood in my wrists,
the breath that rushes through my nose, the strife
of desires in the loins' dark twists.
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What do you want, wild loins? and what
do you want, warm heart? and what
wide eyes and wondering spirit?—not
death, no not death for your lot!

They ask, and they must be answered; they
are, and they shall be, to the end.
Lo! there is woman, and her way is a strange way,
I must follow also her trend.

I died, and death is neuter; it speaks not, it gives
No answer; man rises again
with mouth and loins and needs, he lives
again man among men.

So it is, so it will be, for ever and ever.
And still the great needs of men
will clamour forth from the flesh, and never
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What was lost is found
what was wounded is sound,
the key of life on the bodies of men
unlocks the fountains of peace again.
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The fountains of peace, the fountains of peace
well softly up for a new increase,
but they bubble under the heavy wall
of this house of life that encloses us all.

They bubble under the heavy wall
that was once a house, and is now a prison,
and never a one among us all
knows that the waters have risen.

None of us knows, O none of us knows
the welling of peace when it rises and flows
in secret under the sickening wall
of the prison house that encloses us all.

And we shall not know, we shall not know
till the secret waters overflow
and loosen the brick and the hard cement
of the walls within which our lives are spent.

Till the walls begin to loosen and crack,
to gape, and our house is going to wrack
and ruin above us, and the crash of release
is death to us all, in the marshes of peace.
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The fountains of peace, the fountains of peace
well softly up for a new increase,
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of this house of life that encloses us all.

They bubble under the heavy wall
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and never a one among us all
knows that the waters have risen.

None of us knows, O none of us knows
the welling of peace when it rises and flows
in secret under the sickening wall
of the prison house that encloses us all.

And we shall not know, we shall not know
till the secret waters overflow
and loosen the brick and the hard cement
of the walls within which our lives are spent.

Till the walls begin to loosen and crack,
to gape, and our house is going to wrack
and ruin above us, and the crash of release
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During our stay at Montbard, to whose excellent countess and her society we were indebted for much attention and politeness, we accompanied some friends of her's to visit a family in the neighbourhood, who are remarkable in many ways; in the first, from their residence at the ancient abbey of Fontenai, next from their bearing the names of Mongolfier and Seguin, and lastly for their singular beauty.

The head of this family is son to the well-known Mongolfier, whose discoveries of the power of balloons have made his name familiar. He has a great many daughters and nieces, married and unmarried, all of whom live in his house, and each of whom is more or less beautiful. It is a sight to astonish a stranger to see the drawing-room, into which one is ushered, filled by degrees with a crowd of lovely girls, few of them above twenty, some with one infant, some with several, as pretty as their mothers, and to hear that all these are sisters and cousins: they all, it seems, marry relations, some so near as to startle English and Protestant ideas of propriety. One exquisitely lovely young woman—a perfect Houri, with dark eyes,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{smaller block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;have exactly the same optical orientation, and must hence extinguish the light between crossed nicols together. Such a structure is termed, according to the particular form it assumes, ''micropegmatitic'' or ''granophyric''.

&quot;In the third place a single large crystal of one of the two constituents of the groundmass may be filled with much smaller, irregularly arranged grains or crystals of the other. This would also give the general effect of a finely granular structure, although it is essentially different from either of the others above mentioned.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Loc. cit. pp. 367, 368.&lt;/ref&gt;
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The same structure was briefly described by Teall in a quartz-felsite from the Cheviot Hills, but without any particular designation being applied to it.&lt;ref&gt;British Petrography, p. 343.{{em}}London, 1888.&lt;/ref&gt; Harker also mentions a variety of the same structure as common in the ancient rhyolitic lavas of Wales.&lt;ref&gt;The Bala Volcanic Series.{{em}}Cambridge, 1889, pp. 22, 23.&lt;/ref&gt; Cross described the macro-poikilitic structure in a hornblende-peridotite, from Custer county, Colorado,&lt;ref&gt;Proc. Colorado Scientific Society, vol. 2, p. 242.{{em}}1888.&lt;/ref&gt; and the micropoikilitic structure in a rhyolite from Silver Cliff in the same district, although the connection between the two was not mentioned. In speaking of the latter rock, he says of the groundmass:

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&quot;There seems to be no isotropic matter, but individual characteristics of form and optical action are lost through the minute size of the grains which overlap and overlie each other in the thinnest attainable sections. This mixture is irregular in many cases, but on others a mottled appearance is produced in that one substance attains a uniform optical orientation in certain areas, but is filled by inclusions of the other substance. No regular intergrowth of the two can be discovered. In some spots it was clearly quartz which was the enveloping mineral.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Ib., p. 232.&lt;/ref&gt;
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Brögger has described the groundmass of a quartz-porphyry from the region of Christiana as having a typical poikilitic structure.&lt;ref&gt;Zeitsch. für Kryst. u. Min., vol. 16., 1890., p. 46.&lt;/ref&gt;

In his recent monograph on the Eruptive Rocks of Electric Peak and Sepulchre Mountain in the Yellowstone Park, Iddings describes the micropoikilitic structure in the groundmass of certain dike porphyrites, where he for the first time makes use of exactly this term.&lt;ref&gt;Twelfth Ann. Rept. U. S. Geol. Survey, p. 589.{{em}}1892.&lt;/ref&gt; In speaking of the Sepulchre Mountain dikes,&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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They all appeared to possess remarkable talent, some for drawing and painting, some for music and singing; and we were delighted, during our long visit, by the evidence given us of the latter accomplishment. One of the finest instruments, by Pepe, I ever heard, was touched with consummate skill by her whom I considered the most beautiful of this lovely community of aunt-mothers and wife-nieces.

We walked with them over their pretty romantic gardens in the depth of the valley where the abbey is situated; and as a group of them stood clinging to and seated carelessly by an ancient fountain, I never beheld so picturesque a sight, or forms so classical and poetical. The charm of these goddesses of the place for a long time made us forget that our object in visiting Fontenai was particularly to see all that remained of the abbey, whose buildings now furnish chambers, in which M. Mongolfier has established a paper manufactory. At length we were able to observe the effect of the ruins themselves, and to separate from them the lovely beings of this world, whose presence so agreeably disturbed the monastic solitude. The arrival of some of the husband-uncles and bro-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The Abbey of Fontenai, of the order of Cîteaux, was called the ''second daughter'' of the powerful monastery of Clairvaux. It was founded in 1118 by Bernard and Millon de Montbard in a spot called Chatilun, near a wondrous fountain, famous for the miracles performed there by a holy hermit, called Martin, who had chosen it for a retreat.

The rich bishop Evrard of Norwich was at this time forced to fly from England in consequence of the insubordination of the clergy under his care, and, quitting his diocese, he repaired to this secluded place, where he established his abode on a neighbouring hill, from whence he looked down on the rising convent at his feet. In a short time, the monks succeeded in exciting his interest, and, his religious zeal being roused, he undertook to assist them with money and advice. At his own charge he built for them a fine church,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Beware, O my dear young men, of going rotten.
:::It's so easy to follow suit;
people in their thirties, and the older ones, have gotten
:::bad inside, like fruit
that nobody eats and nobody wants, so it rots, but is not forgotten.

Rotten inside, they are, and seething
:::with small obscenities;
and they whisper it out, and they titter it out, breathing
:::among soft amenities,
a vapour of rottenness out of their mouths, like sewer-stench wreathing.

And it's funny, my dear young men, that you in your twenties
:::should love the sewer scent
of obscenity, and lift your noses where the vent is
:::and run towards it, bent
on smelling it all, before your bit of vitality spent is.

For obscenity, after all, my dear young men
:::is only mental dirt,
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The micropoikilitic structure is extremely abundant in the ancient acid lavas of South Mountain,&lt;ref&gt;American Journal of Science, ({{nowrap|3{{sup|d}} ser.}}) vol. 44, p. 482, Dec., 1892.&lt;/ref&gt; in southern Pennsylvania and Maryland. It can there be proved in some cases to be of secondary origin as it occurs in plainly devitrified glasses, and it is the writer's opinion that such enclosing quartz areas will, in many cases, prove to have originated subsequent to the solidification of the rock.

I am not aware that either the macro- or micropoikilitic structures have been directly recognized by the German petrographers. I am indebted to Prof. L. V. Pirsson of New Haven for the information that the latter is recognized in France, although we have been unable to find any definition of it in print. He has shown me a section of a quartz-porphyry from Georgia, with a groundmass exactly like those from South Mountain, which Fouqué examined and pronounced an admirable example of the &quot;''{{lang|fr|type épongeuse}}'',&quot; sometimes called &quot;''{{lang|fr|structure pétrosiliceuse à ponce}}''.&quot; It is clearly not the same as Michel Lévy's ''{{lang|fr|structure globulaire}}'', which he defines: &quot;{{lang|fr|Sphérolites radiés, imprégnés de quartz orienté dans un sens optique unique. Globules imprégnés de quartz orienté, auréoles}},&quot;&lt;ref&gt;{{lang|fr|Roches Éruptives}}, p. 29.{{em}}Paris, 1889.&lt;/ref&gt; because there the included matter is radially arranged, while in the micropoikilitic structure it is wholly irregular in its arrangement.

The references given above are sufficient to demonstrate the frequency of the rock structure here mentioned, and to show the desirability of some term to describe it. It is therefore proposed that ''poikilitic'' and ''micropoikilitic'' be employed for rock structures, whether primary or secondary, conditioned by comparatively large individuals of one mineral enveloping smaller individuals of other minerals, which have no regular arrangement in respect either to one another or to their host.
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the dirty mind like a urinal again
:::or a dung squirt;
and I thought you wanted life and experience, dear young men!

All this obscenity is just mental, mental, mental,
:::it's the village-idiot mind
playing with muck; and I thought you young gents experimental
:::were out to find
new life for yourselves and your women, complimental.

But if obscene village idiots you want to be, then be it.
:::But don't imagine you'll get
satisfactory experience from it; can't you see it?
:::the idiot with his chin all wet
goggling obscenities! If that's you and your fate, why then, dree it.
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{{tpp|OBSCENITY|
The body of itself is clean, but the caged mind
is a sewer inside, it pollutes, O it pollutes
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the guts and the stones and the womb, rots them down, leaves a rind
of maquillage and pose and malice to shame the brutes.
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{{tpp|SEX ISN'T SIN{{ld}}|
Sex isn't sin, ah no! sex isn't sin,
nor is it dirty, not until the dirty mind pokes in.

We shall do as we like, sin is obsolete, the young assert.
Sin is obsolete, sin is obsolete, but not so dirt.

And sex, alas, gets dirtier and dirtier, worked from the mind.
Sex gets dirtier and dirtier, the more it is fooled with, we find.

And dirt, if it isn't sin, is worse, especially dirt inside.
If you're dirty inside you go rotten, and once rotten, woe betide!

Sex isn't sin, but dirty sex is worse, so there you are!
Why don't you know what's what, young people? Seems to me you're far
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the guts and the stones and the womb, rots them down, leaves a rind
of maquillage and pose and malice to shame the brutes.
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{{tpp|SEX ISN'T SIN{{ld}}|
Sex isn't sin, ah no! sex isn't sin,
nor is it dirty, not until the dirty mind pokes in.

We shall do as we like, sin is obsolete, the young assert.
Sin is obsolete, sin is obsolete, but not so dirt.

And sex, alas, gets dirtier and dirtier, worked from the mind.
Sex gets dirtier and dirtier, the more it is fooled with, we find.

And dirt, if it isn't sin, is worse, especially dirt inside.
If you're dirty inside you go rotten, and once rotten, woe betide!

Sex isn't sin, but dirty sex is worse, so there you are!
Why don't you know what's what, young people? Seems to me you're far
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duller than your grandmothers. But leave that aside.
Let's be honest at last about sex, or show at least that we've tried.

Sex isn't sin, it's a delicate flow between women and men,
and the sin is to damage the flow, force it or dirty it or suppress it again.

Sex isn't something you've got to play with; sex is ''you''.
It's the flow of your life, it's your moving self, and you are due
to be true to the nature of it, its reserve, its sensitive pride
that it always has to begin with, and by which you ought to abide.

Know yourself, O know yourself, that you are mortal; and know
the sensitive delicacy of your sex, in its ebbing to and fro,
and the mortal reserve of your sex, as it stays in your depths below.

And don't, with the nasty, prying mind, drag it out from its deeps
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and finger it and force it, and shatter the rhythm it keeps
when it's left alone, as it stirs and rouses and sleeps.

O know yourself, O know your sex! You must know, there is no escape.
You must know sex in order to save it, your deepest self, from the rape
of the itching mind and the mental self, with its pruriency always agape.
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{{tpp|THE ELEPHANT IS SLOW TO MATE{{ld}}|
The elephant, the huge old beast
:::is slow to mate;
he finds a female, they show no haste
:::they wait

for the sympathy in their vast shy hearts
:::slowly, slowly to rouse
as they loiter along the river-beds
:::and drink and browse

and dash in panic through the brake
:::of forest with the herd,
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and sleep in massive silence, and wake
:::together, without a word.

So slowly the great hot elephant hearts
:::grow full of desire,
and the great beasts mate in secret at last,
:::hiding their fire.

Oldest they are and the wisest of beasts
:::so they know at last
how to wait for the loneliest of feasts
:::for the full repast.

They do not snatch, they do not tear;
:::their massive blood
moves as the moon-tides, near, more near
:::till they touch in flood.
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{{tpp|SEX AND TRUST{{ld}}|
If you want to have sex, you've got to trust
at the core of your heart, the other creature.
The other creature, the other creature
not merely the personal upstart;
but the creature there, that has come to meet you;
trust it you must, you must
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or the experience amounts to nothing,
mere evacuation-lust.
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{{tpp|THE GAZELLE CALF{{ld}}|
The gazelle calf, O my children
goes behind its mother across the desert
goes behind its mother on blithe bare foot
requiring no shoes, O my children!
}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;c&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|LITTLE FISH{{ld}}|
The tiny fish enjoy themselves
in the sea.
Quick little splinters of life,
their little lives are fun to them
in the sea.
}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;d&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|THE MOSQUITO KNOWS{{ld}}|
The mosquito knows full well, small as he is
he's a beast of prey.
But after all
he only takes his bellyful,
he doesn't put my blood in the bank.
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I never saw a wild thing
sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
without ever having felt sorry for itself.
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{{tpp|NEW MOON|
The new moon, of no importance
lingers behind as the yellow sun glares and is gone beyond the sea's edge;
earth smokes blue;
the new moon, in cool height above the blushes
brings a fresh fragrance of heaven to our senses.
}}
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&lt;section begin=&quot;c&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|SPRAY|
It is a wonder foam is so beautiful.
A wave bursts in anger on a rock, broken up
in wild white sibilant spray
and falls back, drawing in its breath with rage,
with frustration how beautiful!
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Sea-weed sways and sways and swirls
as if swaying were its form of stillness;
and if it flushes against fierce rock
it slips over it as shadows do, without hurting itself.
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{{tpp|MY ENEMY{{ld}}|
If it is a question of him or me
then down with him!

If he is not with me but against me,
if his presence and his breath are poison to me,
then, if he comes near me
down with him.

Down with him
to the pit of annihilation.

But if he stays far from me, and does not touch me,
he is no longer my concern, he ceases to be
my enemy.
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'''[p79]''' MR. JUSTICE DOUGLAS, with whom THE CHIEF JUSTICE and MR. JUSTICE BLACKMUN concur, dissenting.


I dissent from the holding of the Court that the Board has no jurisdiction to determine the &quot;reasonableness&quot; of the fines placed by the Union on its dissident members.

The Union and Boeing had an effective collective-bargaining agreement from May 16, 1963 through September 15, 1965. On the expiration of that contract the Union struck against Boeing, causing a work stoppage that lasted 18 days. On October 2, 1965, a new collective agreement was reached and work was resumed.

During the strike, about 143 employees at the Michoud plant crossed the picket line and reported for work. All of these had been Union members during the 1963-1965 contract period. Some of the 143 who worked during the strike did not resign from the Union; 119 did resign—61 before they crossed the picket line and '''[p80]''' returned to work; 58 resigned during the course of the strike, but after they had crossed the picket line. All of these resignations were submitted after the expiration of the 1963-1965 collective agreement. The Union never warned members on this or on earlier occasions, that disciplinary measures could or would be taken against members who crossed the picket line.

After the new collective agreement was reached, the Union notified all members who had crossed the picket line to work during the strike that charges had been laid against them and that they would be tried by the Union for &quot;improper&quot; conduct, the Union's constitution permitting disciplinary measures, including, &quot;reprimand, fine, suspension and/or expulsion from membership, or any lesser penalty or any combination.&quot;

Those who appeared for trial and those who did not appear were found guilty and fined $450 each and barred from holding a Union office for five years. The fines of some 35 who appeared and apologized and took a loyalty oath were reduced to 50% of their earnings during the strike; and the prohibition against holding Union office was reduced in those cases.

The Union sent out a written notice saying that the unpaid fines had been referred to an attorney for collection and that the reduced fines would be restored to $450 if not paid. Suits against nine employees were filed in a state court to collect the fines plus attorneys' fees and interest, and they are unresolved.

Boeing filed a charge of an unfair labor practice against the Union under § 8 (b)(1)(A) of the Act.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; The '''[p81]''' General Counsel issued a complaint and the Board decided that the Union had violated § 8 (b)(1)(A) except for the fines on members for crossing the picket line to work and for the fines on those who resigned after returning to work during the strike, for work performed during the strike prior to their resignations. But the Board, one member dissenting, refused to pass on the reasonableness of the fines, holding it lacked the power to do so.

The unfair labor practice under § 8 (b)(1)(A) is the action of a union &quot;to restrain or coerce&quot; an employee from the &quot;right to refrain from&quot; assisting a union as that right is defined in § 7. In ''Scofield v. NLRB'', [[394 U.S. 423]], we upheld a union role and concluded &quot;that its enforcement by ''reasonable'' fines does not constitute the restraint or coercion proscribed by § 8 (b)(1)(A).&quot; ''Id.'', at 436 (emphasis added). See also ''NLRB v. Allis-Chalmers Mfg. Co.'', [[388 U.S. 175]]. The imposition of a nominal fine of $1 might suit the circumstances of a case, where a $1,000 fine would be monstrous. A nominal fine might be justified where, as here, the employees had no warning that they would or could be fined for working behind a picket line. A fine where the only sanction would be temporary suspension from the union might be &quot;reasonable,&quot; yet unreasonable if it was court enforceable, meaning, as it does here, that attorneys' fees, costs, '''[p82]''' and interest may be added. A member who must pay the union's attorney as well as his own if he challenges the reasonableness of a fine in a state court and loses, may well be suffering an unconscionable penalty. Moreover the fine may be imposed by a union which believed as did the present Union that the member had no &quot;right&quot; to resign, though ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]], held to the contrary. The present fines seem to be swollen by that predilection of the Union. The present fines also exceed the earnings of the workers during the strike period. By what standard can that possibly be justified? As member McCulloch of the Board, dissenting, said, the excess of the fines over the wages collected during this period is in actual effect an assessment after the strike is over. If after the strike the Union caused Boeing to suspend a member without pay after the strike because he had worked during the strike, there could be no question but that the Union violated § 8 (b)(1)(A). Yet, the assessment of fines greater than the wages earned during the strike has precisely that effect. Thus, in assessing an unreasonable fine the Union, in my view, goes beyond the permissible bounds of regulating its internal affairs.

It is no answer to say that the reasonableness of a fine may be tested in a state-court suit. That envisages a rich and powerful union suing a rich and powerful employee. Employees, however, are often at the bottom of the totem pole, without financial resources, and unworldly when it comes to litigation. Such a suit is likely to be no contest. The Board procedures, on the other hand, may be readily available. If an employee files a charge with any merit, the Regional Director will issue a complaint. Thereafter, the General Counsel represents the employee, and the agency bears any cost of prosecuting the claim.

'''[p83]''' But my difficulty with the Court's decision is even greater. State judges, though honest and competent, have no expertise in labor-management relations. The Board does have that expertise and can evolve guidelines based on its broad experience. It is said that Congress has provided the Board with no guidelines for passing on the &quot;reasonableness&quot; of union-imposed fines. But the Board through case-by-case treatment has been developing an administrative common law concerning &quot;unfair&quot; practices of employers and unions alike. We have said on other occasions that the &quot;experience and commonsense&quot; which are facets of the expertise of the Board, ''NLRB v. Radio &amp; Television Broadcast Engineers'', [[364 U.S. 573]], 582-583, are adequate for the difficult and delicate responsibilities which Congress has entrusted to it, subject of course to judicial review. A fine discretely related to a legitimate union need and reflecting principled motivations under the law is one thing. A fine that reflects the raw power exercised by a union in its hunger for all-pervasive authority over members is quite another problem. The Labor Board, which knows the nuances of this problem better than any other tribunal, is the keeper of the conscience under the Act. It and it alone has primary responsibility to police unions, as well as employers, in protection of the rights of workers. In my view it cannot properly perform its duties under § 8 (b)(1)(A) unless it determines whether the nature and amount of the fine levied by a union constitute an unfair labor practice.


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;That section provides:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;(b) It shall be an unfair labor practice for a labor organization or its agents—

:&quot;(1) to restrain or coerce (A) employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in section 7:

::''Provided'', That this paragraph shall not impair the right of a labor organization to prescribe its own rules with respect to the acquisition or retention of membership therein....&quot; 61 Stat. 141, [[United States Code/Title 29/Chapter 7/Subchapter II#§ 158. Unfair labor practices.|29 U.S.C. § 158 (b)(1)(A)]].
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Where the Union's constitution and bylaws are silent on the subject of voluntary resignation from the Union, the Union committed an unfair labor practice when it sought court enforcement of fines imposed for strikebreaking activities by employees who had resigned from the Union, even though the Union constitution expressly prohibited members from strikebreaking. ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]].

148 U.S. App. D.C. 119, 459 F.2d 1143, affirmed.


''Bernard Dunau'' argued the cause for petitioner. With him on the briefs were ''Plato E. Papps, Louis P. Poulton'', and ''C. Paul Barker''.

''Norton J. Come'' argued the cause for respondent National Labor Relations Board. With him on the brief were ''Solicitor General Griswold, Harriet S. Shapiro, Peter G. Nash, John S. Irving'', and ''Patrick Hardin. Samuel Lang'' argued the cause for respondent Boeing Co. With him on the brief were ''C. Dale Stout'' and ''Frederick A. Kullman''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt;


{{Reflist|refs=

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;''J. Albert Woll, Laurence Gold'', and ''Thomas E. Harris'' filed a brief for the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations as ''amicus curiae'' urging reversal.
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''Milton Smith, Gerard C. Smetana'', and ''Jerry Kronenberg'' filed a brief for the Chamber of Commerce of the United States as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance.
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Where the Union's constitution and bylaws are silent on the subject of voluntary resignation from the Union, the Union committed an unfair labor practice when it sought court enforcement of fines imposed for strikebreaking activities by employees who had resigned from the Union, even though the Union constitution expressly prohibited members from strikebreaking. ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]].

148 U.S. App. D.C. 119, 459 F.2d 1143, affirmed.


''Bernard Dunau'' argued the cause for petitioner. With him on the briefs were ''Plato E. Papps, Louis P. Poulton'', and ''C. Paul Barker''.

''Norton J. Come'' argued the cause for respondent National Labor Relations Board. With him on the brief were ''Solicitor General Griswold, Harriet S. Shapiro, Peter G. Nash, John S. Irving'', and ''Patrick Hardin. Samuel Lang'' argued the cause for respondent Boeing Co. With him on the brief were ''C. Dale Stout'' and ''Frederick A. Kullman''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt;


PER CURIAM.


{{Reflist|refs=

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;''J. Albert Woll, Laurence Gold'', and ''Thomas E. Harris'' filed a brief for the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations as ''amicus curiae'' urging reversal.
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''Milton Smith, Gerard C. Smetana'', and ''Jerry Kronenberg'' filed a brief for the Chamber of Commerce of the United States as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance.
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The raja had a plot of ground set apart for a flower garden,
but there was nothing in it. One day a certain Jugi came to
him, and said, “Oh! raja, if you fill your garden with all kinds
of flowering plants, your whole city will appear enchanting.”
Having said this, the Jugi went to his home. The raja was
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The raja refused his evening meal, and as was his wont,
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and lay down. The two elder ranis having been informed of
what had occurred, hasted to the raja, and said, “Oh! raja,
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drink.” The raja replied, “Let the young men come to me, I
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The raja had a plot of ground set apart for a flower garden, but there was nothing in it. One day a certain Jugi came to him, and said, “Oh! raja, if you fill your garden with all kinds
of flowering plants, your whole city will appear enchanting.” Having said this, the Jugi went to his home. The raja was greatly affected by what the Jugi had said, and was immediate-ly seized with a fit of the sulks. There was an apartment in
the palace set apart for the exclusive use of those who happen-ed to be in that state of mind. Such an one shut himself up in this chamber until the fit wore off, or until he was per-suaded to be himself again.

The raja refused his evening meal, and as was his wont, when in this frame of mind, retired to the sulkmg apartment, and lay down. The two elder ranis having been informed of what had occurred, hasted to the raja, and said, “Oh! raja, why are you sulking ?” Hereplied, “This morning a Jugi came to me and said, that if I planted flowering shrubs in my garden the whole city would appear enchanting. If any one will do this work for me, I will rise, if not, I shall remain here.” 'The
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“Ts it on this account you are distressed? We shall cause the garden to be filled with flowers in a short time.” On receiving this assurance the raja left his bed, and partook of food, and was refreshed. Lelha’s mother now appeared on the scene, and addressing the raja, said, “ Wherefore, raja are you sulky ?” He replied, “ Who told you I was sulky?’ She replied, “A shopkeeper gave me the information.” Then the raja got angry, and ordered her to leave, but she said, “If you do not tell me
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Her son Lelha, entered the house soon after her arrival. He had been engaged in some field sports, and being wearied and hungry, said to his mother, “ Give me some cooked rice.” She was annoyed with him and said, “ Although the raja is ill, your first cry is for boiled rice.” Lelha on hearing this went to his father, and enquired what was wrong. But the raja flying into a rage scolded him, saying, “Go away Lelha. What do you want here? Never come near me again. Did not I build
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'''Academic Nudity''' (''Oxford''). Appearance in public without cap or gown.

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'''Accident'''. A child born out of wedlock.

'''Accidented''' (''Lit''., 1884). Liable to surprise.

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'''According to Cocker''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Quite correct, according to the rule. Cocker flourished in 1694, when the first edition of his ''Arithmetic'' appeared at the sign of the Black Boy on London Bridge. In the beginning there was no sense of the preposterous in declaring a thing was 'according to Cocker'. Probably the quaintness of the name brought down the dignity of the phrase.

'''According to Gunter''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Used precisely as 'according to Cocker'. Gunter was a distinguished arithmetician, and the inventor of a chain and scale for measuring. 'Gunter{{'}}s chain' is dragged over the land to this day. 'Give me the Gunter' is as common a phrase amongst surveyors as 'Give me the chain'.

'''Acknowledge the Corn''' (''Amer''. ''English''). Adroit confession of minor offence to intensify the denial of the major offence: ''e''.''g''., 'Sir, I believe you  are after my wife—and you certainly pocketed my meerschaum last Sunday evening at 10.30.' To which the answer might be: 'Well, I acknowledge the corn—I took the pipe by incident, so to speak; but as to Mrs H., I'm as innocent as the skipping lamb.' Said to arise from an ordinary horse-lifting case in the West of U.S.A. The victim was accused of stealing four horses from one point and four feeds of corn from another for the said four horses. 'I acknowledge the corn,' said the sufferer — but legend says he was lynched in spite of the admission.

'''Acting Ladies''' (''Theatrical'', 1883). Indifferent ''artistes''. Mrs Langtry, moving in society, having (1882) appeared as an actress in London, and in the same year gone to America, where she made vast sums of money, many ladies of more education than dramatic ability turned their attention to the stage. Eleven out of a dozen totally failed, and few 'twelfths' kept before the public: hence an 'acting lady' soon came, amongst theatrical people, to represent an incapable actress: ''e''.''g''., 'She isn't a comedian, you know, she's an acting lady.'

{{fsx|95%|Acting ladies, in my opinion, should be severely left alone. There is no pleasing them or their friends. — ''Entr{{'}}acte'', February 1883.}}

'''Actor{{'}}s Bible''' (''Theatrical''). ''The Era''. This phrase was one of the first directed against sacred matters, about the time when ''Essays and Reviews'' was much discussed (1860-70).

{{fsx|95%|Mr Sydney Grundy, whose sensitiveness sometimes outruns his discretion, issued a challenge to Mr Clement Scott in 'the Actor's Bible'.—''Ref''. 1883.}}

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'''Ad{{'}}s Bud (18 ''cent''.). God's Bud, ''i''.''e''. Christ. Common in H. Fielding.

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'''Academic Nudity''' (''Oxford''). Appearance in public without cap or gown.

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'''Accidented''' (''Lit''., 1884). Liable to surprise.

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'''According to Cocker''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Quite correct, according to the rule. Cocker flourished in 1694, when the first edition of his ''Arithmetic'' appeared at the sign of the Black Boy on London Bridge. In the beginning there was no sense of the preposterous in declaring a thing was 'according to Cocker'. Probably the quaintness of the name brought down the dignity of the phrase.

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'''Acting Ladies''' (''Theatrical'', 1883). Indifferent ''artistes''. Mrs Langtry, moving in society, having (1882) appeared as an actress in London, and in the same year gone to America, where she made vast sums of money, many ladies of more education than dramatic ability turned their attention to the stage. Eleven out of a dozen totally failed, and few 'twelfths' kept before the public: hence an 'acting lady' soon came, amongst theatrical people, to represent an incapable actress: ''e''.''g''., 'She isn't a comedian, you know, she's an acting lady.'

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'''Actor{{'}}s Bible''' (''Theatrical''). ''The Era''. This phrase was one of the first directed against sacred matters, about the time when ''Essays and Reviews'' was much discussed (1860-70).

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'''[p85]''' PER CURIAM.


In this companion case to ''NLRB v. Boeing Co., ante'', [[412 U.S. 67|p. 67]], we must decide whether our decision in ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]], authorizes the Board to find that a union commits an unfair labor practice in seeking court enforcement of fines imposed for strikebreaking activities by employees who have resigned from the union, even though the union constitution expressly prohibits members from strikebreaking. We hold that it does.

On September 16, 1965, the day after the expiration of the collective-bargaining agreement between Booster Lodge No. 405, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, AFL-CIO (the Union), and the Boeing Co. (the Company), the Union called a lawful strike and picketed the Company's Michoud, Louisiana, plant to further its demands for a new contract. The strike continued for 18 days, during which time 143 of the 1,900 production and maintenance employees represented by the Union crossed the picket line to work. All of these employees had been members of the Union before the strike,&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; but 61 resigned their membership prior to returning to work and another 58 resigned after they returned to work.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt; These resignations were tendered in registered or certified letters to the Union. Neither its constitution nor its bylaws '''[p86]''' contained any provision expressly permitting or forbidding such resignations.

The strike ended on October 4, 1965, after ratification of a new collective-bargaining agreement by the Union membership. During late October and early November, the Union notified all employees who had crossed the picket line to work during the strike that charges had been preferred against them under the Union constitution for &quot;Improper Conduct of a Member&quot; because of their having &quot;accept[ed] employment... in an establishment where a strike or lockout exist[ed].&quot; They were advised of the dates of their Union trials, which were to be held even in their absence, and of their right to be represented by any counsel who was a member of the International Union. Fines were imposed on all employees who had worked during the strike without regard to whether or not such employees had resigned or had remained members.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;/&gt; None of the disciplined employees processed intra-union appeals. To the extent that fines were not paid,&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;/&gt; the Union sent written notices to the offending employees stating that the matter had been referred to an attorney for collection Suits were initiated in state court against nine employees for the purpose of collecting the fines plus attorneys' fees and interest. None of these suits has been resolved.

The Company filed an unfair labor practice charge with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that the Union had violated § 8 (b)(1)(A) of the [[National Labor Relations Act]], 61 Stat. 141, [[United States Code/Title 29/Chapter 7/Subchapter II#§ 158. Unfair labor practices.|29 U.S.C. § 158 (b)(1)(A)]].&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;/&gt; '''[p87]''' The General Counsel issued a complaint, and the Board held that the Union violated § 8 (b)(1)(A), by fining those employees who had resigned from the Union before returning to work during the strike, and by fining those who had resigned after returning to work to the extent that such fines were based on post-resignation work. No violation was found in the Union's fining members for crossing the picket line to work during the strike or in its fining those employees who resigned after they returned to work for work performed prior to resignation. The Board ordered the Union to cease and desist from fining employees who had resigned from the Union for their post-resignation work during the strike and from seeking court enforcement of such fines. It further ordered reimbursement to employees who had already paid fines for any amount imposed because of post-resignation work. The Court of Appeals sustained these holdings, 148 U.S. App. D.C. 119, 459 F.2d 1143 (1972), and, on the Union's petition for review, we granted certiorari. 409 U.S. 1074.

In ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', 409 U.S., at 217, we held that &quot;[w]here a member lawfully resigns from a union and thereafter engages in conduct an unfair labor practice when it seeks enforcement of fines for that conduct.&quot; Since in that case there was no provision in the Union's constitution or bylaws limiting the circumstances in which a member could resign, we concluded that the members '''[p88]''' were free to design at will and that § 7 of the Act, [[United States Code/Title 29/Chapter 7/Subchapter II#§ 157. Right of employees as to organization, collective bargaining, etc.|29 U.S.C. § 157]],&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;/&gt; protected that right to return to work during a strike which had been commenced while they were union members.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref7&quot;/&gt; The Union's imposition of court-collectible fines against the former members for such work was, therefore, held to violate § 8 (b)(1)(A).

Here, as in ''Textile Workers'', the Union's constitution and bylaws are silent on the subject of voluntary resignation from the Union.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref8&quot;/&gt; And here, as there, we leave open the question of the extent to which contractual restriction on a member's right to resign may be limited by the Act. Since there is no evidence that the employees here either knew of or had consented to any limitation on their right to resign, we need &quot;only to apply the law which normally is reflected in our free institutions—the right of the individual to join or to design from associations, as he sees fit 'subject of course to any financial obligations due and owing' the group with which he was associated.&quot; ''Textile Workers, supra'', at 216.

The Union contends, however, that a result different from ''Textile Workers'' is warranted in this case because, '''[p89]''' even though its constitution does not expressly restrict the right to resign during a strike, it does impose on members an obligation to refrain from strikebreaking. The Union asserts that this provision has been consistently interpreted to bind a member, notwithstanding his resignation, to abstain from strikebreaking for the duration of an existing strike. It urges that this provision may be enforced as a matter of contract law against one whose membership has ceased, because it was an obligation he undertook while a member.

The provision in the Union's constitution which proscribes strikebreaking by its terms purports only to define &quot;misconduct of a member.&quot; Nothing in the record indicates that Union members were informed, prior to the bringing of the charges that were the basis of this action, that the provision was interpreted as imposing any obligation on a resignee.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref9&quot;/&gt; Thus, in order to sustain the Union's position, we would first have to find, contrary to the determination of the Board and of the Court of Appeals, that the Union constitution by implication extended its sanctions to nonmembers, and then further conclude that such sanctions were consistent with the Act. But we are no more disposed to find an implied post-resignation commitment from the strikebreaking proscription in the Union's constitution here than we were to find it from the employees' participation in the strike vote and ratification of penalties in ''Textile'' '''[p90]''' ''Workers''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref10&quot;/&gt; Accordingly, the judgment of the Court of Appeals sustaining the Board's finding of an unfair labor practice on the part of petitioner Union is


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;The expired collective agreement contained a maintenance-of-membership provision that required new employees, as a condition of continued employment, to become members of the Union unless they notified both the Union and the Company within 40 days of accepting employment that they did not wish to join. Further, Union members were required to maintain their membership during the life of the contract.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;The remaining employees who returned to work during the strike did not resign from the Union.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref3&quot;&gt;A standard fine of $450 was imposed on each of the disciplined employees. The amount was reduced, however, for those few members who appeared at their hearings, apologized for their actions, and pledged loyalty to the Union.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref4&quot;&gt;None of the $450 fines has been paid, but reduced fines have been paid in a few instances.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref5&quot;&gt;Section 8 (b)(1)(A) of the Act provides, in relevant part:
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:&quot;(1) to restrain or coerce (A) employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in section 7:

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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref6&quot;&gt;Section 7 of the Act provides, in relevant part:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection, and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all of such activities....&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref7&quot;&gt;It was stipulated in that case that all 31 of the employees who resigned from the Union during the strike and retuned to work participated in the strike vote, and voted in favor of the strike. ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]], 219 n. 2 (BLACKMUN, J., dissenting).
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref8&quot;&gt;Since the collective-bargaining agreement expired prior to the times of the resignation, the maintenance-of-membership clause therein was no impediment to resigning.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref9&quot;&gt;The Union points out in its brief that at the 1972 International Union convention its interpretation of the strikebreaking proscription was made explicit. This constitutional amendment, made seven years after the strike here, is persuasive evidence that it was not there, before, or at a minimum, that the proscription then existing did not apprise the employees of their asserted obligations to the Union.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref10&quot;&gt;In its reply brief, the Union argues that in ''Textile Workers'' there was no limiting rule on post-resignation return to work during the course of the strike, but that in this case, the Union constitution proscribed such conduct. In ''Textile Workers'', however, there was a duly enacted rule prohibiting any member from aiding and abetting the employer during the strike and subjecting violators to a $2,000 fine. On its face, the constitutional proscription here advanced is no broader than that rule.
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The raja had planted flowering shrubs in his garden, but the Indarpuri Sadoms* ate up all the flowers as they appeared, and so he again began to sulk. He said, “I planted bushes, but I see no flowers. What reason is there for my remaining
alive ?”? And going to the sulking chamber he lay down, and as usual refused to eat. Then there was confusion in the house-hold, and running hither and thither. The two ranis went to him, but he was annoyed, and ordered them to leave, saying,
“I will not rise, by your telling me,” so they returned weeping, each to her own apartment.

Just then their four sons returned from hunting, and demanded food. Their mothers were annoyed, and said, “ You young gentlemen are hungry, and must have food, that the raja is sulking is nothing to you, if you are fasting.&quot; On hear-ing this the sons went to their father, and enquired, “Oh!
father, wherefore are you sulking?” ‘The raja replied, “Oh! my sons, I am sulking because I see no flowers in my garden. Unless I see flowers in my garden, I shall not remain in this world.” His sons replied, “Give us three days, and if at the
end of that time you see no flowers, then you may sulk.” He was persuaded to rise, and having bathed, and partaken of food, he was refreshed.

Just then Lelha arrived, and addressing the raja said, “Qh! raja, what ails you?” The raja on seeing Lelha was angry, and scolded him severely. He said, “ Has Lelha come here ? Drive him away at once.” Lelha left without uttering
another word.

After three days the raja began again to sulk, because there were still no flowers to be seen in his garden. The Indar-puri Sadoms came about mid-night and ate up all the buds. The raja’s four elder sons when watching could not remain
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The raja had planted flowering shrubs in his garden, but the Indarpuri Sadoms* ate up all the flowers as they appeared, and so he again began to sulk. He said, “I planted bushes, but I see no flowers. What reason is there for my remaining
alive ?”? And going to the sulking chamber he lay down, and as usual refused to eat. Then there was confusion in the house-hold, and running hither and thither. The two ranis went to him, but he was annoyed, and ordered them to leave, saying,
“I will not rise, by your telling me,” so they returned weeping, each to her own apartment.

Just then their four sons returned from hunting, and demanded food. Their mothers were annoyed, and said, “ You young gentlemen are hungry, and must have food, that the raja is sulking is nothing to you, if you are fasting.&quot; On hear-ing this the sons went to their father, and enquired, “Oh!
father, wherefore are you sulking?” ‘The raja replied, “Oh! my sons, I am sulking because I see no flowers in my garden. Unless I see flowers in my garden, I shall not remain in this world.” His sons replied, “Give us three days, and if at the
end of that time you see no flowers, then you may sulk.” He was persuaded to rise, and having bathed, and partaken of food, he was refreshed.

Just then Lelha arrived, and addressing the raja said, “Oh! raja, what ails you?” The raja on seeing Lelha was angry, and scolded him severely. He said, “ Has Lelha come here ? Drive him away at once.” Lelha left without uttering
another word.

After three days the raja began again to sulk, because there were still no flowers to be seen in his garden. The Indar-puri Sadoms came about mid-night and ate up all the buds. The raja’s four elder sons when watching could not remain
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;awake for one hour, and sothe Indarpuri Sadoms came nightly and devoured all the buds that should have burst into flower in the morning, so that not one solitary blossom was to be seen. For this reason the raja again began to sulk, and no one dared to say anything to him.  At this juncture Lelha’s mother went from her own house to a shop to buy rice. The shopkeeper refused to supply her. He said, “The raja is sulking, and she comes here to buy rice. I wi...</comment>
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At this juncture Lelha’s mother went from her own house to a shop to buy rice. The shopkeeper refused to supply her. He said, “The raja is sulking, and she comes here to buy rice. I will not weigh it, so go.” Lelha’s mother went hastily home, and encountered Lelha returning from a stroll. Lelha usked for food. He said, “Oh! mother, give me cooked rice quickly.” She rebuked him, and said, “The raja is sulk-ing. The shopkeeper refused to give me rice, how can I give
you food? I am a prey to grief, and here my young gentleman is hungry. Go to the raja.”

Lelha did as his mother ordered him, and went to the apartment where the raja was, and called several times, “Oh! father, get up.” At length the raja asked, “Who are you? Do not irritate me. Go away at once.” Lelha replied, “I am your humble slave and son, Lelha.” His father said, “Where-fore have you come here? Lelha, Go home, or else I shall beat you. What do you want here? If you go, go at once, if not, I shall have you chastised.” Lelha replied, “ Because you, Oh! raja, are sulking. The shopkeeper in the bazaar refused to sell to my mother rice, saying, ‘something is amiss with the raja. I cannot let you have it.’” The raja then said, “Go, and bring the shopkeeper here.” To which Lelha replied, “ Why are you
sulking? If you do not tell me, it where better for me to die here. I cannot leave you. I have come here fasting, not having eaten anything to-day.” The raja said, “ Your four brothers have not been able todo anything, and what can I hope from telling you about it, Lelha?” Lelha replied, “It is still possible that I may accomplish something, but although&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&quot;And who is your king, my patriot boy,
:Whom loyally you obey?&quot;
&quot;My king is Freedom,&quot; quoth the lad.
:&quot;And he never says me nay.&quot;
&quot;Then you do as you like in your
:LaN]nd of Love, Where every man is free?&quot;
&quot;Nay, we do as we love,&quot; replied the lad,
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{{di|W}}HEN lambkin lieth down with fox,
And the leopard with an ox,
When cows and bears together feed,
While a little child shall lead,

When the lion crops his hay
Like a horse, and children play
Round the cockatrice's den{{mdash}}
Where will be the soldier then?

All his courage will be there,
All he ever dared to dare,
Glowing in their ardent eyes
With a calm of paradise.

But they will have lost for good
All the soldier's demon-mood:
All his cruelties and hates,
All that shocks and rasps and grates.
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I said that Henry Dehning's wife was proud of such very different things, but that was wrong, she was proud in very different fashion but proud of the same things. She loved his success and the worth with which he conquered and she was not anxious to forget the way that he had come. No she was in her way proud that he himself had done it. She liked his power, and when she ever thought about it she liked the honest way she knew that he had done it. And like him too she was very proud in their three educated children but to her thinking there was very little they could teach her. She knew it all always very well and much better than they could ever know it. But she was very proud of these educated children and she was very proud of her husband Henry Dehning though she knew he always did little things so badly and that he would still always play like a poor man with his fingers and he never would learn not to doit. Yes she was very proud of her husband though he always did little things so badly and she had always to be telling him how a man in his position should know how to do it. She came towards him now when he was through with his talking, and she had one rebuke to him for his always calling her his girl Miss Jenny, and another for the way he had of fidgeting always with his fingers. &quot;Don't do that Henry!,&quot; she said to him loudly.

Mrs. Dehning was the quintessence of loud-voiced good-looking prosperity. She was a fair heavy woman, well-looking and firmly compacted and hitting the ground as she walked with the same hard jerk with which she rebuked her husband for his sins. Yes Mrs. Dehning was a woman whose rasping insensibility to gentle courtesy deserved the prejudice one cherished against her, but she was a woman, to do her justice, generous and honest, one whom one might like better the more one saw her less.

Yes it was now all very different for them. It was very pleasant always for Henry Dehning then, to stand and to look about him, yes truly it was now all very different with him. He had his family there about him, a family certain to be a satisfaction to him, They were a group to gratify the feeling of pride in him, they were so prosperous vigorous good-looking, honest, and always respectful to him, and surely they would have later, good hope of winning for themselves all that he could ever wish to them.

Yes it certainly was very different now with him. Could one ever have it real to him that in one life time a man could have it all so different for him, that a man all alone in his single lifetime could make it so that he could have it to be truly all so different in him.

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Once in man and quadruped
Lurked a Brute who now is dead.
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{{di|P}}EACE, O Peace, when will the nation
:Lift its eyes and understand
How thou holdest all creation
:In the hollow of thy hand?

Thine the strength that stays the ocean
:Hypnotized within its bed;
Thine the power that keeps in motion
:Constellations overhead.

Thine the orb of love afire,
:Lighting up the heavens profound;
Thine the suns that never tire
:Swinging planets round and round;

Thine the furnaces white-heated,
:Where they forge the cosmic powers{{mdash}}
Where the sons of God once greeted
:This new-fashioned earth of ours;

Thine the strength, serene, unshaken,
:Which can master self alone,
Quelling passions when they waken,
:From thy calm eternal throne.
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&quot;Very good my son, let us leave this apartment.&quot; 

The raja went to, bathe, and Lelha going to the shopkeeper bought several kinds of grain, which he carried home and gave to his mother, saying, &quot;Roast a seer of each, and cook some rice for me. have succeeded in persuading my father to rise. He has bathed and dined, and is refreshed. He was 
sulking because he can see no flowers in his garden. It was with great difficulty that I prevailed upon him to get up.&quot; His mother said, &quot;What does my Lord want with roasted grain ?&quot; Lelha replied, &quot;Let me do with it as I chose, you 
prepare it. I will take it with me at night when I go to watch in the flower garden.&quot; His mother said, &quot;Have you forgotten your brothers' threats to beat you ?&quot; Lelha replied, &quot;My bro-thers may beat me, but no other person. What help is there 
for it ?&quot; 

At nightfall, Lelha, having supped, tied up in the four corners of his plaid four kinds of roasted grain, and entering the garden climbed up on a raised platform, and began his vigil. 

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Insult, hatred, can not reach thee
:At that still, majestic height.
Make us conscious, we beseech thee,
:Of our own reserves of might.

Teach us, while the battle rages,
:What we never understood:
This the mystery of the ages{{mdash}}
:Evil overcome by good.

Far above the storms and thunders,
:Far above the war and strife,
Far above our sins and blunders,
:At the source of strength and life{{mdash}}

There I see thy hand commanding
:With the olive branch for rod,
Peace, that passest understanding!
:Spirit of Almighty God!
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{{di|H}}OW mayde ye Anglo-Saxon wights
:Theyre antient valoure knowne?
'Twas not by grasping others' rights,
:But holding faste theyre owne.

To-day, alas! ye men that beare
:Ye Anglo-Saxon name
Boaste of the golden gyves they weare
:And glory in theyre shame.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;and at the same instant its rider, an Indarpuri Kuri,* ex- claimed, &quot;Hands off! Lelha. Hands off! Lelha. Touch me not.&quot; Lelha replied, to the Indarpuri Kuri, &quot; Besides touching you, I will bind and detain you till morning. You have become bold. You have caused my father to fast ; but I have captured you te-night. Where will you go ?&quot; &quot; Let me go,&quot; she said, &quot;I will bless you.&quot; Lelha rejoined, &quot;You are deceiving me.&quot; The Indarpuri Kuri made answer, &quot;I am...</comment>
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      <text bytes="1884" sha1="huc6a7t638se2k0uh29ckz5i3jgyds9" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;1&quot; user=&quot;ᱤᱧ ᱢᱟᱛᱟᱞ&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|71|THE STORY OF LELHA.}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;and at the same instant its rider, an Indarpuri Kuri,* ex- claimed, &quot;Hands off! Lelha. Hands off! Lelha. Touch me not.&quot; Lelha replied, to the Indarpuri Kuri, &quot; Besides touching you, I will bind and detain you till morning. You have become bold. You have caused my father to fast ; but I have captured you te-night. Where will you go ?&quot; &quot; Let me go,&quot; she said, &quot;I will bless you.&quot; Lelha rejoined, &quot;You are deceiving me.&quot; The Indarpuri Kuri made answer, &quot;I am not deceiving you. I shall give you whatever blessing you may desire. Place your hand upon my head, Lelha.&quot; He did so, and a lock of hair adhered to his hand, when he withdrew it. The Indarpuri Kuri then said, &quot;When you desire anything, take that lock of hair into your hand, and say. Oh ! Indarpuri Kuri, give me this or that, and instantly you shall receive it. Of a truth it shall be so. I shall never fail you.&quot; Lelha then released the Indarpuri Sodom, and it mounted up into the air, and he and his Indoirpwri Rider vanished into space. 

By the time Lelha had eaten all the roasted grain from another comer of his plaid, another Indarpuri Sadom with his Indarpuri Kuri rider descended from the West. Lelha caught these as he had done the first. This Kuri was a younger sister of the other, and she gave a like blessing to Lelha before he released her horse. 

Lelha now began to eat his third parcel of roasted grain, and just as he had finished it he saw another-. Indarpuri Sadom with an Indarpuri Kuri rider descend from the North, and alight in the garden. Lelha also captured these. The rider was a younger sister of the last. She also gave Lelha a blessing, and was allowed to go. 

At cockcrow, Lelha, having eaten the last grain of his fourth parcel, looked up and beheld an Indarpuri Sadom with an Indarpuri Kuri rider descend into the garden from the 
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      <comment>Created page with &quot;{{header  | title = [[../]]  | author = Harry Blackmun  | section = Concurrence  | previous =   | next =   | year = 1973  | portal = Supreme Court of the United States  | wikipedia =   | notes =  }}  {{USSCcase2     |percuriam = yes     |concurrence_author1 = Blackmun      }} &lt;div class='courtopinion'&gt; '''[p90]''' MR. JUSTICE BLACKMUN, concurring in the judgment.   In ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]] (1972), the strikebreaking employees, while they were memb...&quot;</comment>
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'''[p90]''' MR. JUSTICE BLACKMUN, concurring in the judgment.


In ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]] (1972), the strikebreaking employees, while they were members of the union, had all voted to strike. On the day following the inception of the strike, these employees also voted in favor of a union resolution that anyone aiding or abetting the company during the strike would be subject to a fine.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; And all had participated in the strike prior to resigning from the union.

I was in solitary dissent in ''Textile Workers, id.'', at 218. I emphasized there that &quot;it seems likely that the three factors of a member's strike vote, his ratification of strikebreaking penalties, and his actual participation in the strike, would be far more reliable indicia of his obligation to the union and its members than the presence of boilerplate provisions in a union's constitution,&quot; ''id.'', at 220; that the Court's opinion seemed to me &quot;to exalt the formality of resignation over the substance of the various interests and national labor policies that [were] at stake,&quot; ''id.'', at 221; that § 7 of the National Labor Relations Act &quot;does not necessarily give him [the employee] the right to abandon these [union] activities '''[p91]''' in midcourse once he has undertaken them voluntarily,&quot; ''id.'', at 222, quoting from 446 F.2d 369, 373; and that the policy of § 7 would not be frustrated by a holding that an employee, in the circumstances of that case, could &quot;knowingly waive his § 7 right to resign from the union and to return to work without sanction.&quot; 409 U.S., at 222-223.

The present case, however, is a very different situation. None of the Boeing employees who resigned from the Union had been given notice of a strikebreaking penalty before the strike vote or before their participation in the strike. The imposition of a penalty was never ratified formally by the union membership. The members were not notified that post-resignation strikebreaking was proscribed and would subject them to union discipline. And the provision in the Union's constitution, referred to by the Court, ''ante'', at 89, as to a member's general obligation to refrain from strikebreaking, surely does not make up for this lack of notice, and it would not do so even if it were clearly applicable, which it is not, to strikebreaking after resignation from the Union.

Without effective notice of obligations that are supposed to be assumed, there can be no waiver of a member's § 7 right to refrain from participation in a legal strike. In the absence of such notice, § 8 (b)(1)(A) bars the union from subjecting a member to a choice between the substantial obligation of weathering the strike and that of being subjected to court-collectible fines for failure to do so.

I, therefore, join in the Court's judgment.


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'''[p90]''' MR. JUSTICE BLACKMUN, concurring in the judgment.


In ''NLRB v. Textile Workers'', [[409 U.S. 213]] (1972), the strikebreaking employees, while they were members of the union, had all voted to strike. On the day following the inception of the strike, these employees also voted in favor of a union resolution that anyone aiding or abetting the company during the strike would be subject to a fine.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;/&gt; And all had participated in the strike prior to resigning from the union.

I was in solitary dissent in ''Textile Workers, id.'', at 218. I emphasized there that &quot;it seems likely that the three factors of a member's strike vote, his ratification of strikebreaking penalties, and his actual participation in the strike, would be far more reliable indicia of his obligation to the union and its members than the presence of boilerplate provisions in a union's constitution,&quot; ''id.'', at 220; that the Court's opinion seemed to me &quot;to exalt the formality of resignation over the substance of the various interests and national labor policies that [were] at stake,&quot; ''id.'', at 221; that § 7 of the National Labor Relations Act &quot;does not necessarily give him [the employee] the right to abandon these [union] activities '''[p91]''' in midcourse once he has undertaken them voluntarily,&quot; ''id.'', at 222, quoting from 446 F.2d 369, 373; and that the policy of § 7 would not be frustrated by a holding that an employee, in the circumstances of that case, could &quot;knowingly waive his § 7 right to resign from the union and to return to work without sanction.&quot; 409 U.S., at 222-223.

The present case, however, is a very different situation. None of the Boeing employees who resigned from the Union had been given notice of a strikebreaking penalty before the strike vote or before their participation in the strike. The imposition of a penalty was never ratified formally by the union membership. The members were not notified that post-resignation strikebreaking was proscribed and would subject them to union discipline. And the provision in the Union's constitution, referred to by the Court, ''ante'', at 89, as to a member's general obligation to refrain from strikebreaking, surely does not make up for this lack of notice, and it would not do so even if it were clearly applicable, which it is not, to strikebreaking after resignation from the Union.

Without effective notice of obligations that are supposed to be assumed, there can be no waiver of a member's § 7 right to refrain from participation in a legal strike. In the absence of such notice, § 8 (b)(1)(A) bars the union from subjecting a member to a choice between the substantial obligation of weathering the strike and that of being subjected to court-collectible fines for failure to do so.

I, therefore, join in the Court's judgment.


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Yet, slaves at home, they wolde enslave
:Away beyond ye sea
Far, alien peoples, proude and brave,
:A-struggling to be free.

Now come, ye Anglo-Saxon wights,
:Once more your plucke make knowne;
And not by grasping others' rights,
:But getting backe your owne!
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{{di|H}}AIL to the Anglo-American alliance for the vulgarization of the world!
As we took California from Spain and replaced picturesque ranch and convent and plaza with electric trams and telegraph poles and bare wooden boxes of houses, so let us go on and beautify the earth.
Let us plant innumerable Jersey Cities in the isles of the sea.
Let the foul smoke of Manchester settle down upon the palm-groves.
Let our architects plan twenty-story rookeries of corrugated iron in place of mosque and pagoda.
Let us spot the globe with hideous mining camps from Kimberley to the Klondyke.
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Unsated with the defilement of our own lands, with the all-devouring cankers of slumdom and villadom, let our vulgar ambition for conquest of new markets show itself abroad in every out-ward vulgarity.

Is it really so certain that we are the chosen people{{mdash}}
We who are the least artistic of the nations of the earth;
Who have spent our lifetime in busily making our countries uglier;
Who in the century preeminent for its music have not produced one great master;
Who, even in the matter of jingoes and imperialists and expansionists, have brought forth no one worthy to unloose the latchet of Napoleon's shoes?
Verily Mozart and Beethoven, Wagner and Chopin, Grieg and Verdi, shall rise up in the judgment against us, and condemn us.
What shall it profit us if we overrun the whole world, as the rabbits overrun Australia?
In the day of judgment, shall a myriad of bicycles and automobiles be accepted in lieu of a symphony or a great unselfish thought?
Ah, but there was a time when England expressed herself in beauty.
Where are the sous of the men who built Salisbury Steeple and York Minster?
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;North. She was the youngest of the sisters. Lelha crept stealthily up, and laid hold of the horse’s mane. The Indar-puri Kuri then exclaimed, “Hands off! Lelha. Hands off! Lelha.” Then Lelha replied, “You Lelha greatly this morning. It is almost dawn, where can you go to escape punishment ?” Then the Indarpuri Kuri said, “Oh! Lelha, We are four sisters, daughters of one mother, I will give you a blessing.” Lelha replied, “ In this way three persons have...</comment>
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Then the Indarpuri Kuri said, “Oh! Lelha, We are four sisters, daughters of one mother, I will give you a blessing.” Lelha replied, “ In this way three persons have fled. You also appear the same.” The Indarpuri Kuri said, “We four sisters have one blessing. Place your hand upon my head, and release me.” Lelha did so, and the Indarpuri Sadom on being liberated sailed off into the sky with his Indarpuri rider. Lelha tied the four locks of hair of the Indarpuri Kuris each in a corner of his plaid, as he had before done with the roasted grain. When the day fully dawned he return-ed to his home weeping, for his four brothers seeing the bushes laden with blossom were envious of him, and had hurled him headlong to the ground from off the raised platform on which he sat.

On reaching home his mother said to him, “ You see your brothers have beaten you. I warned you against going.” Lelha replied, “What help is there for it? My brothers beat me. No one else did. I must bear it.” His mother said, “Then, why do you let others know ?”

In the morning the raja said, “Last night Lelha was watch-ing. I will go and take a look at the garden.” He went and found a perfect sea of blossom, the sight of which almost over-came him.

It so happened that as the raja gazed upon the fairy scene around him, Koema Jugi turned up, and addressing the raja said, “ You are lost in wonder, but if you hang hiras and manis on the branches the whole country will be resplendent. Then your wonder and amazement will be increased twentyfold.”&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Then the Indarpuri Kuri said, “Oh! Lelha, We are four sisters, daughters of one mother, I will give you a blessing.” Lelha replied, “ In this way three persons have fled. You also appear the same.” The Indarpuri Kuri said, “We four sisters have one blessing. Place your hand upon my head, and release me.” Lelha did so, and the Indarpuri Sadom on being liberated sailed off into the sky with his Indarpuri rider. Lelha tied the four locks of hair of the Indarpuri Kuris each in a corner of his plaid, as he had before done with the roasted grain. When the day fully dawned he return-ed to his home weeping, for his four brothers seeing the bushes laden with blossom were envious of him, and had hurled him headlong to the ground from off the raised platform on which he sat.

On reaching home his mother said to him, “You see your brothers have beaten you. I warned you against going.” Lelha replied, “What help is there for it? My brothers beat me. No one else did. I must bear it.” His mother said, “Then, why do you let others know ?”

In the morning the raja said, “Last night Lelha was watch-ing. I will go and take a look at the garden.” He went and found a perfect sea of blossom, the sight of which almost over-came him.

It so happened that as the raja gazed upon the fairy scene around him, Koema Jugi turned up, and addressing the raja said, “You are lost in wonder, but if you hang hiras and manis on the branches the whole country will be resplendent. Then your wonder and amazement will be increased twentyfold.”&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Such might indeed gladden mankind beyond our borders; but as for us, with all our enegetic ugliness, our dismal, anxious money-getting, our stiff unsociability, let us stay at home until we grow beautiful and beautifying.
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{{di|T}}HERE are bloody men who think the world can be served by bloodshed:
The man who stabbed the kindly king, while his victim smiled at him with outstretched hand
(Then another worse king reigned in his stead, and the people for the deed loved kingship more than ever);
The man who fought the duel, and invited the man who had insulted him to kill him and was duly killed;
The man who lay all night in the mud with his company, and, because other men who came unsuspecting down the road wore another uniform, shot them down with a hunter's joy;
The hangman, swinging his man off the scaffold and ashamed to look at him, while his accomplice, the judge, has forgotten all about it;
The butcher, twisting the tail of the calf and gouging its eye to make it take kindlier to his knife;
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The raja’s garden was without an equal in the world, but the words of Koema Jugz had caused him to become discon-tented with it, and because there were neither hiras not manis hanging from the branches he, as before, began to sulk. They
reasoned with him saying, “Do not grieve over it. We will bring hiras and manis.” So he rose, and having bathed par-took of some refreshment.

About this time Lelha’s mother went to a shop to purchase food. On seeing her the shopkeeper said, “Something is amiss with the raja, and she is hungry, and comes here giving annoy-ance. Goaway. I will not weigh anything for you.” So she returned home empty-handed. As she entered the house she encountered Lelha just returned from hunting, who said, “Oh! mother, give me cooked rice.” His mother replied, “Something is wrong with the raja, and here my young lord is fasting, and cries for food. He is greatly concerned about his own affairs.”

Lelha went at once to the raja, and enquired “ What ails you, father ?” The raja replied, “Is there anything ailing me ? Has Lelha come here ? I will beat him shortly.” Lelha said, “Do with me what you please, Why are you sulklng? If you do not tell me, although it should cost me my life, I will not leave, rather slay me here at once.” The raja thought within himself, “ He annoys me, I will tell him to get nd of him.” So he said, “Your brothers have gone in search of hiras and manis, and it is because I do not see the trees in my garden adorned with these precious stones that Iam sulking. “Lelha said I will also go.” His father said, “Do not go child.” But Lelha was determined, and disregarded his father’s command.

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The doctor, torturing the guinea-pig in the name of the devil's science{{mdash}}
All these men think, alas! that the world can be served by bloodshed.
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{{di|A}} TALL, stalwart man, cast in heroic mold, bearded and sunburned, his gun on his shoulder, striding across the meadows in the early morning, with the strength of a Samson{{mdash}}
What can be his noble enterprise?
Doubtless another labor of Hercules.
He goes to slay some monster of the forest, taking his life in his hand.
He advances cheerfully to meet a dragon or chimera or minotaur, or at the very least a lion or man-eating tiger or some desperate band of robbers.
Do you not read daring and intrepidity in every gesture?
What may he not achieve to-day?
Alas! for six long hours he will shoot pretty little birds of the length of your hand, and one out of every three he will leave to die in agony of its wounds on the ground. He may perhaps be brave enough to kill a rabbit{{mdash}}and that is all!
And this forsooth is manly sport!
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;down she floats ter the ports in Chiny,&quot; said Uncle Adzi.  The stars blinked between patchy scudding clouds before the girls finished the dishes to the liking of Martha, who was engaged in assembling the buffalo robes and blankets on the beds of fragrant fir boughs that the men and boys gathered from the near-by woods. The coyotes began their dismal howling and John stirred up the smoldering fire and gathered pitch to replenish it through the night.  &quot;Jo...</comment>
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The stars blinked between patchy scudding clouds
before the girls finished the dishes to the liking of
Martha, who was engaged in assembling the buffalo
robes and blankets on the beds of fragrant fir boughs
that the men and boys gathered from the near-by
woods. The coyotes began their dismal howling and
John stirred up the smoldering fire and gathered
pitch to replenish it through the night.

&quot;John,&quot; Martha asked her husband as they lay
looking up at the sky, &quot;are there glass windows in
the settlement? I want to have white curtains in the
cabin. Seems like white curtains and a rocking-chair
and a few books on a shelf make a home out of any
kind of a rough cabin. Of course right at first it
won't matter so much; we'll be so busy we won't have
time to notice. But I'm going to have white curtains.
I've saved a pair of the linen sheets that Grandmother Shields wove for my dower. You didn't know
I had them, did you?&quot;

John, between sleeping and waking, muttered
something unintelligible, then roused and said; &quot;I
saw a few windows; one of the frame houses had 'em;
but I'll get glass for you, honey, as soon as a shipment comes 'around the Horn.{{'&quot;}} Then he lapsed
again; a man who has worked hard all day is likely
to fail in holding up his end of an after-retiring conversation.
But Martha continued: &quot;You know, John, I didn't

say a word when we threw out the feather beds back
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The stars blinked between patchy scudding clouds
before the girls finished the dishes to the liking of
Martha, who was engaged in assembling the buffalo
robes and blankets on the beds of fragrant fir boughs
that the men and boys gathered from the near-by
woods. The coyotes began their dismal howling and
John stirred up the smoldering fire and gathered
pitch to replenish it through the night.

&quot;John,&quot; Martha asked her husband as they lay
looking up at the sky, &quot;are there glass windows in
the settlement? I want to have white curtains in the
cabin. Seems like white curtains and a rocking-chair
and a few books on a shelf make a home out of any
kind of a rough cabin. Of course right at first it
won't matter so much; we'll be so busy we won't have
time to notice. But I'm going to have white curtains.
I've saved a pair of the linen sheets that Grandmother Shields wove for my dower. You didn't know
I had them, did you?&quot;

John, between sleeping and waking, muttered
something unintelligible, then roused and said; &quot;I
saw a few windows; one of the frame houses had 'em;
but I'll get glass for you, honey, as soon as a shipment comes 'around the Horn.{{'&quot;}} Then he lapsed
again; a man who has worked hard all day is likely
to fail in holding up his end of an after-retiring conversation.

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|}{{dhr|0.5}}{{rule}}{{dhr|0.5}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;inauguration dinner of the National Liberal Club in these words:

{{fsx|95%|These fellow-citizens of ours have it for their lot that the manly and interesting proportions of the himan form are in their case disguised both before and after by certain oblong formations which appear to have no higher purpose than what is called conveying an advertisement.—''Newsp''. ''Cutting''.}}

{{fsx|95%|Society accepted the phrase and the Premier's enemies shot many a shaft anent it.}}

'''Ægis''' (''Latin''). A shield, hence protection, patronage, from Minerva's habit of putting her invisible shield in front of her favourites when in battle.

{{fsx|95%|Madam Adelina Patti appeared yesterday afternoon under the ægis of Messrs Harrison, and once more gathered a great audience round her.—''D''. ''T''., 4th June 1897.}}

'''Æstheticism''' (''Soc''., 1865 - 1890). Ideal social ethics, represented outwardly by emblems, chiefly floral, the more significant flowers being the white lily and the sunflower.

The women wore their dresses chiefly in neutral tints, and especially in three series, viz.:—greens, dead leaf (the yellows, or yellowish, of the series); olive (the middle path of colour); and sage (the blues of the series). In each of these series there were scores of tints. The pomegranate was also a fetish. (''See'' Grego.)

{{fsx|95%|The joke of æstheticism and sunflowers had been smiled at and had died once or twice between 1865 and 1878 before it was familiar enough to the public for dramatic purposes.—''D''. ''N''., 27th January 1887.}}

'''Affigraphy''' (''Coster''). To a T, exactly. A corruption of autograph—the vulgar regarding a signature as of a world-wide importance and gravity. (''See'' Sivvy.)

'''Afters''' (''Devon''). Sweets—pies and puddings. 'Bring in the afters' is a common satirical remark in poor Devonshire houses, especially when there are no 'afters' to follow. Also used in Scotland, ''e''.''g''., 'Hey mon, a dinner, an' nae afters!'

'''Afternoon Calls''' (''Soc''., 19 ''cent''.) Referring to exclusive society, who have never accepted the afternoon 'drums' and five o'clock teas, but adhered to the more formal 15-minute afternoon visit.

{{fsx|95%|You had not observed that sort of thing before marriage? Never. What I saw of her was at afternoon calls.—Lord Gerard's evidence in Lord Durham's Nullity of Marriage suit, March 1885.}}

'''Afternoonified''' (''Soc''.). Smart.

{{fsx|95%|What may prove a popular new adjective made its first appearance last week. A lady entered a fashionable drapery store. The lady found nothing to please her. The shopwalker then was called. This individual, with a plausible tale or compliment, will invariably effect a sale after all other means have failed. In reply to his question whether the goods were not suitable, the fastidious customer answered: 'No, thank you; they are not &quot;afternoonified&quot; enough for me.' In the case of a lady armed with an argument of such calibre what was the shopwalker to say or do? Like a wise man, he expressed his regret and beat a dignified retreat. The lady did the same, but the adjective remained. — ''D''. ''T''., July 1897.}}

'''{{'}}After you with the push{{'}}''' (''Peoples{{'}}''). Said, with a satirical mock politeness, in the streets to any one who has roughly made his way past the speaker, and 'smudged' him.

'''Aggeravators, Hagrerwaiters''' (''Costermongers''). Side-curls still worn by a few conservative costermongers. Of two kinds—the ring, or ringlet (the more ancient), and the twist, dubbed, doubtless in the first place by satirists, 'Newgate Knockers'. Indeed the model of this embellishment might have been the knocker of the door of the house of the governor of that gaol. The aggravation may mean that these adornments excite envy in those who cannot grow these splendours, or that they aggravate or increase the admiration of the fair sex. The younger costers wear rival forehead tufts—such as the Quiff, the Guiver, or the Flop. There is, however, one golden rule for these fashions—the hair must stop short of the eyelids.

'''Agony in Red''' (''Soc''.). Vermilion costume. When the æsthetic craze was desperately 'on' (1879-81), terms used in music were applied to painting, as a 'nocturne in silver-grey,' a 'symphony in amber,' a 'fugue in purple,' an 'andante in shaded violet'. Hence it was an easy transition to apply terms of human emotions to costumes.

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rivers below to the mountains and back again. The
grandeur of the two snow-covered peaks against the
ragged sky line was bewildering—Mount St. Helen's,
smooth and unbroken in its symmetry, and to the east
majestic Mount Hood, its snowy sides mottled with
dark rocks all tinged rosy pink in the glow of th
late afternoon sun.

With straining eyes she looked southward. Nothing was to be seen there but undulating waves of fir
timber. Climbing to a sharp rise above, the panorama of the southern part of the country spread out
beneath her gaze. In the distance the mighty falls
of the Willamette dropped to the lower river, with 
Oregon City on the flat below. Silent with awe, Martha watched the spray of rainbow mist hovering
above the cataract. Willamette Falls justified all
the stories she had heard of its grandeur.

Oregon City's little group of houses held her, but
as her gaze wandered up the hill, she noted a well-developed farm standing out, a clear-cut jewel,
against the background of timber. The marvels of
snowy peaks, cataract, and rivers had been uplifting,
but this farm brought her swiftly back to
earth with its silent promise of plenty so easily
wrested from virgin soil. This was a farm beyond
the wildest dreams of what awaited her in the Oregon
country. Measuring with an eye unaccustomed to
mountain surfaces, she judged it to be the full six
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grandeur of the two snow-covered peaks against the
ragged sky line was bewildering—Mount St. Helen's,
smooth and unbroken in its symmetry, and to the east
majestic Mount Hood, its snowy sides mottled with
dark rocks all tinged rosy pink in the glow of th
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timber. Climbing to a sharp rise above, the panorama of the southern part of the country spread out
beneath her gaze. In the distance the mighty falls
of the Willamette dropped to the lower river, with 
Oregon City on the flat below. Silent with awe, Martha watched the spray of rainbow mist hovering
above the cataract. Willamette Falls justified all
the stories she had heard of its grandeur.

Oregon City's little group of houses held her, but
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against the background of timber. The marvels of
snowy peaks, cataract, and rivers had been uplifting,
but this farm brought her swiftly back to
earth with its silent promise of plenty so easily
wrested from virgin soil. This was a farm beyond
the wildest dreams of what awaited her in the Oregon
country. Measuring with an eye unaccustomed to
mountain surfaces, she judged it to be the full six
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She drank in the beauty avidly, turning from the
rivers below to the mountains and back again. The
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smooth and unbroken in its symmetry, and to the east
majestic Mount Hood, its snowy sides mottled with
dark rocks all tinged rosy pink in the glow of ae
late afternoon sun.

With straining eyes she looked southward. Noth-
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timber. Climbing to a sharp rise above, the pano-
rama of the southern part of the country spread out
beneath her gaze. In the distance the mighty falls
of the Willamette dropped to the lower river, with—
Oregon City on the flat below. Silent with awe, Mar-
tha watched the spray of rainbow mist hovering
above the cataract. Willamette Falls justified all
the stories she had heard of its grandeur.

Oregon City's little group of houses held her, but
as her gaze wandered up the hill, she noted a well-
developed farm standing out, a clear-cut jewel,
against the background of timber. The marvels of
snowy peaks, cataract, and rivers had been uplifting,
but this farm brought her swiftly back to
earth with its silent promise of plenty so easily
wrested from virgin soil. This was a farm beyond
the wildest dreams of what awaited her in the Oregon
country. Measuring with an eye unaccustomed to
mountain surfaces, she judged it to be the full six
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{{ppoem|
{{di|I}}T is great{{mdash}}great:
To combine enormous industries;
To direct efficiently hundreds of thousands of men;
To tear the bowels from the mountains, to fire giant forges, to supply the wants of millions;
To manage vast railway systems for the carriage of your manufactures, to handle fleets such as the world never saw before;
To economize magnificently, to pay your expenses with your waste products, to keep accounts as easily in nine figures as in three;
To annex one industry after another with a momentum that appals and astonishes you at your own achievement;
To make parliaments and armies your mere puppets with the forms of the life that you alone are living{{mdash}}
It is great indeed{{mdash}}great.
Generals and senators have had their day.
They are lingering, ridiculous, upon the stage after their time of exit.
They are now nothing but simulacra and figureheads, for their vitality and efficiency have passed into the captains of industry.
It is the turn of these now to serve the world.
Alas! that they should make service the excuse for tribute!
But, tribute or no tribute, it is great{{mdash}}great!
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stories had been told. All the way across the plains
those in the train who had been to Oregon and were
returning with their families had sung the praises
of this model farm above Oregon City, of the wonderful yield of its grain fields, the fruitfulness of its
orchard, the fatness of its long-horned cattle, ready
for beef in the winter-time from standing belly deep
in waving grasses.

The snug double cabin seemed a bit of heaven to a
tired emigrant woman. With a mind leaping ahead.
she saw a comfortable cabin where the wagon with its
tattered dust-gray cover was drawn up under the
shelter of two immense fir trees. It was a dejected-
looking Conestoga wagon with the woodwork
shrunken and warped by the intense heat of the alkali
plains. The wheels dished outward so that the tires
had to be held in place with wire put on at judicious
intervals. The body was scarred and gaping at the
corners; the tongue had been broken and roughly
spliced with a peeled pole. Two emaciated oxen, well
hobbled, grazed eagerly near. The mind must be
able to dwell in the future to endure the immediate
present.

The 21st of November, 1843, this was. The
wagon, one of the first ten to come clear through to
Oregon City from Independence, Missouri, was part
of the great train of one thousand emigrants known
to history as &quot;The great emigration of Oregon home-
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{{ppoem|
{{di|T}}HE world is drunk with rapid transit.
Electric cars, overcrowded with men and women, rush up the street.
Other cars as heavily laden rush down in the opposite direction.
At the great stations trains are endlessly coming in and going out, hundreds in a day.
In the river, steamers, big and little, press onward north and south, while ferry-boats ply like shuttles back and forth across their foaming tracks.
Up spring the lifts, one after another, full to overflowing, ten, fifteen, twenty stories, the fastest not stopping below the tenth.
Down they drop again like stones in a well.
All mankind is excitedly darting hither and thither like insects on a stagnant pool.
Everybody wants to be somewhere else and is doing his best to get there.
No one stays contentedly where he is.
Whiz and whirr, come and go, back and forth, up and down, to and fro, faster and faster and faster, until{{mdash}}
Until what, indeed? Who can say?
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{{sidenotes begin|side=left}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;shall be allowed the same in his Accounts; and that in case such Storekeeper, so charged and chargeable therewith, shall neglect or refuse to pay any such Tithes, Taxes, or Rates, so to be made on him as aforesaid when demanded, that then, and in every such Case, the Sum or Sums so due and claimed for such Tithes, and so to be assessed and charged on such Storekeeper, in respect of such Lands and Premises, shall and may be levied on such Storekeeper, by such Ways and Means, and in such Manner, as upon any other Occupier of Lands liable to the Payment of any such Tithes, Tax, or Rate; any Law, Statute, Custom, or Usage, to the contrary in any wise notwithstanding.

commissioner»

XII. And be it further enacted, That no Commissioner, who shall be employed in the Execution of this j*or liable tocer* Act, shall be liable, for or by reason of such Execution, to any of the Penalties mentioned in the Act of the tainPe&lt;i«itie». twenty-fifth Year of the Reign of King Charles the Second, Chapter the second; nor the first of William and Mary, Chapter the eighth 5 nor the thirteenth and fourteenth of William the Third, Chapter the sixth; nor the hrft of George the b irft, Chapter the thirteenth.

Commissionrr#

XIII. Provided always, and be it enacted, That such Commissionersas his Majesty shall nominate for the cot difquaiiM Purposes in this Act, or any of them, shall not by reason thereof in any fort be disabled or disqualified from from being fitting in the House of Commons, or their Election thereby become void, any Law or Statute to the contrary turnup*0 Faf* hereof in any wise notwithstanding.

CAP. LXXXVIII.

An Act to extend the Provisions of an Act, intituled, An Act to amend and make more effectual the Laws relating to Rogues, Vagabonds and other idle and disorderly Persons, and to Houses of Correction, to certain Cases not therein mentioned.

[Preamble.]

WHEREAS divers ill-disposed Persons are frequently apprehended, having upon them Implements for Housebreaking, or offensive Weapons, or are found in or upon Houses, Ware-

houses, Stables or Outhouses, Areas of Houses, Coachhouses, inclosed Yards or Gardens belonging

to Houses, with Intent to commit Felonies; and although their evil Purposes are thereby manifefted, the Power of his Majesty's Justices of the Peace to demand of them Sureties for their good Behaviour, hath not been of sufficient Effect to prevent them from carrying their evil Purposes into Execution be it therefore enacted by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this prefer Avgo* r» sent Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, That if any Person or Persons shall, after »7»3, every Per- the first Day of August, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three, be apprehended having upon him, j»°»Vpp,*hc^cd her, or them, any Picklock Key, Crow, Jack, Bit, or other Implement, with an Intent feloniously to

break and enter into any Dwelling-house, Warehouse Coaeh-house, Stable, or Outhouse; or shall Housebreaking; have upon him, her, or them, any Pistol, Hanger, Cutlass, Bludgeon, or other offensive Weapon, with vr any offensive Intent feloniously to assault any Person or Persons; or shall be found in or upon any Dwelling-house, Weapon, with Warehouse, Coaeh-house, Stable, or Outhouse, or in any inclosed Yard or Garden, or Area belonging to tbal”be^deemed^a any ^ouse, with an Intent to steal any Goods or Chattels; every such Person or Persons shall be deemed a Uoguf,*c.v»ith- Rugue and Vagabond, within the Intent and Meaning of the Statute made in the seventeenth Year in the Meaning of his late Majesty King George the Second, intituled, An Act to amend and make more effectual the Laws of 17 Geo. il« relating to Rogues, Vagabonds, and other idle and disorderly Persons, and to Houses of Correction,

CAP. LXXXIX.

An Act for better Paving, Cleansing, and Lighting, the Parish of Saint Clement Danes, in the County of Middlesex, and certain Places adjoining thereto; and for removing and preventing Nuisances and Annoyances therein.

CAP. XC.

An Act for better paving, cleansing and lighting the Parish of Saint Martin in the Fields, within the Liberty of Westminster, and certain Places adjoining thereto; and for removing and preventing Nuisances and Annoyances therein.

CAP. XCI.

An Act for paving and regulating Church Lane, in and near the Parishes of Saint Mary Whitechapel and Saint George in the County of Middlesex, and several other Streets, Avenues and Places, within the same Parish of Saint Mary Whitechapel, and preventing Annoyances therein; and for enabling the Inhabitants of the said Parish of Saint Mary Whitechapel, to raise Money to defray the Expenses incurred in repairing the Parish Church.

CAP. XCII.

An Act for making and maintaining a Navigable Canal from a Place near Rider's Green, in the County of Stafford, to Broadwater Fire Engine, and Six Collateral Cuts from the same, to several Coal Mines; and also a Navigable Canal from or near the Town of Birmingham, to join the Coventry Canal at or near Fazeley, in the Parish of Tamworth, in the said County of Stafford, with a Collateral Cut to the lower Part of the said Town of Birmingham.

mbh.

WHEREAS an Act was passed if* the eighth Year of his present Majesty's Reign* for making AugOco. I1T. and maintaining a navigable Cut or Canal from Birmingham to Bil/iartefihd from thence to Auihnley.y there 10 communicate with the Canal then making between thgtiRivers Severn and Trent, and&lt;noinclude&gt;{{continues|for}}
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or discharged, it shall be lawful for such Person to apply to the Court of King’s Bench in England, or to to be tried or any Judge of that Couft, or to the Court of Judiciary in Scotland, or to any Judge of that Court, to be

discharged, such discharged; and if it Pi all appear to such Court or such Judr;c that such Person, if in Custody in Ireland, P*rion may. W0u|d be entitled to be tried or discharged, it shall be lawful for such Court or such Judge to order such Per-Cauryto9f King’s f°n to be discharged, or to be sent to Ireland, to be dealt with according to Law, tench in England, or Court of Justiciary in Scotland, or one of the Judges, who Pnail order him t^he discharged orient to Ireland#

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[Continuance of this Act, March 1, 1800.]

IX. And be it further enacted, That this Act shall continue in force until the said first Day of March one thousand eight hundred and no longer.

[Act may be altered or repealed this Session.]

X. And be it further enacted, That this Act may be altered, varied, or repealed, by any Act or Acts to be made in this present Session of Parliament.

CAP. XLV.

An Act for making perpetual so much of an Act made in the nineteenth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, Chapter Seventy-four, videlicet, on the twenty-sixth Day of November one thousand seven hundred and seventy-eight, intituled, An Act to explain and amend the Laws relating to the Transportation, Imprisonment, and other Punishment of certain Offenders, as relates to the Punishment of burning in the Hand of certain Persons convicted of Felony within the Benefit of Clergy.

[20th May 1799.]

[19 Geo. 3. c. 74. (Continued by 24 Geo. 3. st. 2. c. 56; 28 Geo. 3. c. 24; and 34. Geo. 3. c. 60.) recited;]

'WHEREAS an Act was made in the nineteenth Year of the Reign of his present Majesty, intituled, An Act to explain and amend the Laws relating to the Transportation, Imprisonment, and other Punishment of certain Offenders: And whereas so much of the said Act as relates to the Punishment of burning in the Hand when any Person is convicted for Felony within the Benefit of Clergy, which was to continue in force until the first Day of June one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four, and from thence to the End of the then next Session of Parliament; and which was, by three Acts made in the twenty-fourth, twenty-eighth, and thirty-fourth Years of the Reign of his present Majesty, further continued until the first Day of June one thousand seven hundred and ninety-nine, and from thence to the End of the then next Session of Parliament, has been found useful and beneficial, and it is expedient that the same should be made perpetual; be it therefore enacted by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same,

[and so much thereof as relates to the Punishment of burning in the Hand made perpetual. [See cc. 46, 52 of this Session.]]

That so much of the said Act as relates to the Punishment of burning in the Hand, when any Person is convicted of Felony within the Benefit of Clergy, shall and the same is hereby made perpetual.

CAP. XLVI.

An Act for making perpetual so much of an Act made in the nineteenth Year of the Reign of His present Majesty, Chapter Seventy-four, videlicet, on the twenty-sixth Day of November one thousand seven hundred and seventy-eight, intituled, An Act to explain and amend the Laws relating to the Transportation, Imprisonment, and ether Punishment of certain Offenders, as relates to the Lodgings of Judges at County Assizes.

[20th May 1799.]

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19 Geo 3.

£.74. (ccr.ti. nued by 24

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2 8 Geo. 3. c 24; and 34 Geo. 3. c. 60.) recited:

«nd so much l hereof as relates to the Lodgings of Judges at County Assizes,

WHEREAS an Act was made in the nineteenth Year of the Reign of his present Majesty, intituled, An Act to explain and amend' the Laivs relating to the Transportation, Imprisonment, and ether Punishment of certain Offenders: And whereas so much of the said Act as relates to the Lodgings of Judges at County Assizesl which was to continue in force until th^ first Day cl June one thousand seven hundred and eighty-four, and from thence to the End of the then next Session of Parliament; and which was, by three Acts made in the twenty-fourth, twenty-eighth, and thirty-fourth Years of the Reign of his present Majesty, further continued until the first Day of June one thousand seven hundred and ninety-nine, and from thence to the End of the then next Session of Parliament, has been found useful and beneficial, and it is expedient that the same should be made perpetual be it therefore enacted by the King’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the Authority of the same, That so much of the said Act, as relates to the Lodgings of Judges at County Assizes, shall be, and the same is hereby made perpetual.

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The sea-cow would seem to have been very easily captured. It frequently came on to the land and made its way for short distances inland. Its unwieldiness would render it practically helpless on shore, where it would fall an easy prey to its captors. In the water it was more at home, and its pursuit, at least in the smaller boats, was probably not without an element of danger. The late Judge Alley, who was an authority on matters relating to the earlier days of settlement in this island, informed me that one method adopted by the fishermen in hunting the animals was, when possible, to catch a young calf and take it on board their craft, when the noise made by the youngster attracted the old ones to the vessel's side where they were readily despatched.

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They called him Saint Anthony, because his name was Anthony, and also, 
perhaps because he was a joyous good 
lover, fond of joking, powerful at eating 
and drinking, and had a vigorous hand 
with servants, although he was more 
than sixty years old. He was a tall peas- 
ant of the country of Caux, of high color, 
great in chest and girth, and was perched 
upon long legs that seemed too thin 
for the weight of his body 

A widower, he lived alone with his 
maid and his two menservants on his 
farm, which he directed in sly, jovial 
fashion, careful of his interests, attend- 
ing to business affairs, the breeding of 
the cattle, and the cultivation of the 
land. His two sons and three daugh- 
ters, married to advantage, lived in the 
neighborhood, and came, once a month, 
to dine with their father. His vigor was 
known in all the country about; people 
said, as if it were a proverb: *'He is 
as strong as Saint Anthony.&quot; 

When the Prussian invasion occurred, 
Saint Anthony, at the inn, promised to 
eat an army, for, like a true Norman, 
he was a romancer, and a little of a 
coward and a blusterer. He brought his 
heavy fist down on the wooden table, 
making it jump, while the cups and 
glasses danced, and he cried out, with 
red face and cunning eye, in the false 
anger of the jovial fellow : &quot;In Heaven's 
name ! Will it be necessary to eat some 
of them?&quot; He counted on the Prus- 
sians not coming any farther than Tan- 
neville; but when he learned that they 
were at Rautot, he would not go out of 
his house, and he watched without ceas- 
ing through the little window of his 

kitchen, expecting every moment to S(5C 

the glint of bayonets. 

One morning, as he was eating soup 
with his servants, the door opened and 
the mayor of the commune, Mastei 
Chicot, appeared, followed by a soldier, 
wearing on his head a black cap set ofi 
with a point of copper. Saint Anthony 
arose with a bound ; everybody looked at 
him, expecting to see him cut the Prus- 
sian in pieces; but he contented himself 
with shaking hands with the mayor, who 
said to Lim: ''Here's one of 'em foi 
you to take care of, Saint Anthony. 
They came in the night. . I haven't been 
surly with them, seeing they talk of 
shooting and burning if the least thing 
happens. You are warned. Give him 
something to eat. He seems a good 
lad. I am going to the other houses to 
seek quarters for the rest of them. 
There is enough for everybody.&quot; And 
he went out. 

Father Anthony looked at his Prus- 
sian and grew pale. He was a great 
boy, fat and white, with blue eyes and 
blond hair, bearded up to the cheek- 
bones, and he seemed stupid and timid, 
like a good child. The Norman rogue 
comprehended him immediately, as he 
thought, and, reassured, made him a sign 
to sit down. Then he asked : &quot;Will you 
have some soup?&quot; 

The stranger did not understand. An- 
thony then made an audacious move, 
and, pushing a full plate under the nose 
of his unexpected guest, he said: 
There, eat that, you big pig!&quot; 

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When the Prussian had cleared his 
plate, Saint Anthony served him another, 
the contents of which disappeared like 
the first, but he recoiled before the 
third helping, which the farmer tried by 
force to make him eat, repeating: 
&quot;Come, now, put that inside of you. 
You shall grow fat, or I'll know the rea- 
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And the soldier, comprehending noth- 
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he wanted, laught.:! with a contented air, 
making a sign that he was full. 

Then Saint Anthony, suddenly be- 
coming familiar, tappec^ him on the 
front, saying: &quot;He has enough in his 
paunch, has my pig!&quot; Bat upon this 
he doubled himself with laughter, grow- 
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plexy, and was unable to speak for a 
moment. An idea had seized him which 
suffocated Lim with laughter: &quot;That's 
it ! That's it !&quot; he cried, &quot;Saint Anthony 
and his pig! I am Saint Anthony and 
this is my pig!&quot; And the three ser- 
vants laughed loudly in their turn. 

The old man was so pleased with his 
jest that he ordered the maid to bring 
some brandy, of the ten-year-old brand, 
with which he regaled everybody. They 
drank with the Prussian, who smacked 
his lips as a bit of delicate flattery, in 
order to indicate that he found it de- 
licious. And Saint Anthony cried out 
in his face: &quot;Yes! This is something 
fine! You don't find anything like it at 
home, my pig!&quot; 

After this, father Anthony never went 
out without his Prussian. Pie had found 
his opportunity. was vengeance to 

him, the vengeance of a great rogue. 
And all the people of the countryside, 
who were trembling with fear, laughed 
until in torture, behind the backs of 
their conquerors, at the farce of Saint 
Anthony and his pig. Indeed, as a joke, 
they thought it had not its equal. He 
had only to say a few things like this; 
&quot;Go along, pig! Go!&quot; in order to pro- 
voke convulsions of merriment. 

He would go among his neighbors 
every afternoon with his German, their 
arms around each other, and would pre- 
sent him with a gay air, tapping him on 
the shoulder and saying: &quot;See! Here 
is my pig! Look at him and tell me if 
you think he is getting fat, this here 
animal!&quot; 

And the peasants fairly bubbled with 
laughter — he was such a wag, this rogue 
of an Anthony! 

&quot;I'll sell him to you, Caæesar,&quot; he would 
say, &quot;for three pistoles.&quot; 

&quot;I take him, Anthony, and invite you 
to come and have some of the pudding.&quot; 

&quot;Me,&quot; said Anthony, &quot;what I want is 
some of the feet.&quot; 

&quot;Punch his body and see how fat he 
is!&quot; said Caesar. 

And everybody would wink slyly, not 
laughing too much, however, for fear 
the Prussian might surmise finally that 
they were mocking him. Anthony alone, 
growing bolder every day, would pinch 
the calves of his legs, crying out: 
&quot;Nothing but fat!&quot; or strike him on the 
back and shout: &quot;There's some good 
bacon!&quot; Then the old man, capable of 
lifting an anvil, would seize him in his 
arms and raise him up in the air, de- 
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went. It was the great pleasure, the 
great diversion of every day. ''Give 
him whatever you like,&quot; he would say, 
&quot;he will swallow it.&quot; And when they 
would inquire if the man wished some 
bread and butter, potatoes, cold mutton, 
or venison, Anthony would say to him: 
**Here you are now, it's your choice 1&quot; 
The soldier, stupid and gentle, ate for 
pohteness, enchanted with so much at- 
tention; he would make himself sick 
rather than refuse; and he was growing 
fat truly, too stout for his uniform, 
which fairly delighted Saint Anthony, 
who kept telling him: &quot;You know, my 
pig, it's pretty soon going to be neces- 
sary for you to have a new cage.&quot; 

They became apparently the best 
friends in the world. And v;hen the old 
man went on business into the surround- 
ing country, the Prussian accompanied 
him of his own accord, for the sole 
pleasure of being with him. 

The weather was very rigorous; it 
had frozen hard; the terrible winter of 
1870 seemed to throw all plagues to- 
gether upon France. 

Father Anthony, who looked out for 
things ahead and took advantage of 
opportunities, foreseeing that he would 
need manure for his spring work, bought 
some of a neighbor who found himself 
in straits; he arranged to go each eve- 
ning with his cart and bring it home, a 
load at a time. And so, toward evening 
of each day, he was to be seen on the 
way to Haules's farm, half a mile dis- 
tant, always accompanied by his pig. And 
everybody ran along with them, as they 
go on Sunday to a grand mass, for each 
day was a feast-day for feeding the 
animal. 

But the time came when the soldier 
began to be suspicious. And, when they 
laughed too much he rolled his eyes as 
if disturbed, and sometimes they sent 
forth a spark of anger. 

One evening, when he had eaten to 
the extent of his capacity, he refused to 
swallow another morsel, and undertook 
to start up and go away. But Saint 
Anthony stopped him with a blow on the 
wrist and, placing his two hands on the 
Prussian's shoulders, he sat him down 
again so hard that the chair cracked 
under him. 

A perfect tempest of gaiety followed; 
and Anthony, radiant, picked up his pig, 
rubbing the wounded spot, with the sem- 
blance of healing it. Then he declared: 
&quot;Since you won't eat, you shall drink, 
by jiminy!&quot; And somebody went to 
the alehouse for brandy. 

The soldier rolled his eyes in wicked 
fashion; but he drank, nevertheless, as 
much as they wished; and Saint An- 
thony held his head ; to the great amuse- 
ment of his assistants. 

The Norman, red as a tomato, with 
fiery eye, filled the glasses, drinking and 
guying him with: &quot;To your sweet- 
heart!&quot; And the Prussian, without a 
word, encompassed glass after glass of 
these bumpers o.' cognac. 

It was a struggle, a battle, a defense I 
In Heaven's name! who could drink the 
most? They could take no more, either 
of them, when the bottle was drained, 
but neither was conquered. They were 
neck and neck, and that was all. It 
would be necessary to start over thj 
next day. 

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made the farmer laugli heartily. Finally, 
the Prussian became angry; and just at 
the moment when Anthony gave him 
another push, he responded with a ter- 
rible blow of the fist which made the 
old colossus totter. 

Then, inflamed with brandy, the old 
fellow seized the man by the arms and 
shook him for some seconds, as if he 
bad been a child, and then threw him 
with all his might to the other side of 
the road. Content with his execution, 
he folded his arms and laughed in good 
earnest. 

But the soldier got up quickly, bare- 
headed, his cap having rolled off, and, 
drawing his sword, made a plunge for 
father Anthony. When the farmer saw 
this he seized his great fork of yellow 
holly, strong and supple as a beef 
tendon. 

The Prussian came on with his head lowered, weapon in front of him, sure of 
killing his foe. But the old man, grasping with firm hand the blade whose 
point was aimed to pierce his body, 
turned it aside, and struck his enemy 
such a sharp blow upon the temple, with 
the point of the fork, that he fell at 
his feet. Then the peasant looked at 
liis fallen foe frightened, stupefied with 

astonishment, seeing the body shaken 
v/ith spasms at first, arid then lying 
motionless upon its face. He stooped, 
turned him over and looked at him a 
long time. The mans eyes were closed, 
and a little stream of blood was running 
from a hole in the forehead. In spitf 
of the darkness, father Anthony could 
distinguish the brown spot of blood on 
the snow. 

He remained there, bewildered, v/hile 
his cart went on at the horses' regular 
step. What was to be done? He would 
shoot him! Then the Prussians would 
burn his place and work ruin throughout 
the country! But what should he do? 
What should he do? How conceal the 
body, conceal the death, deceive the 
Prussians? He could hear voices in the 
distance, in the silence of the snow- 
storm. Then he became excited, and, 
seizing the cap, he put it on the man's 
head again ; and, taking him by the back, 
he raised him up. ran, overtook his 
team, and threw the body on the ma- 
nure. Once at home, he could think 
what to do. 

He went along with short steps, rack- 
ing his b-ain but unable to decide any- 
thing. He understood the matter and 
felt sure that he was lost. Finally he 
came to his house. A bright light shone 
through a dormer window; his servant 
was not yet asleep. Then he made his 
wagon back quickly to the edge of a 
hole in the field. He thought by over- 
turning the load the body would fall 
underneath, in the ditch; and he tipped 
the cart over. As he had thought, the 
man was buried under the manure. An- 
thony evened off the heap with his fork, 
and stuck it in the ground at the side. 
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K'ent to his chamber. 

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upon what he had done, but no helpful 
idea came to him, and his fear increased 
when he was quiet in bed. The Prus- 
sians would shoot him! The sweat of 
fear started out upon him; his teeth 
chattered; he got up, shivering so that 
he could scarcely hold his clothes to 
get into them. He went down into the 
kitchen, took a bottle of liquor from 
the sideboard, and went back to his 
chamber. He drank two large glasses 
of liquor in succession, adding a new 
drunkenness to the old one, without 
calming the agony of his soul. He felt 
that he had made a pretty mess of it 
this time! 

He walked the floor to and fro, seek- 
ing a ruse or explanation for his wick- 
edhess. And from time to time he would 
rinse his mouth with a draught of the 
ten-year-old cognac to put some heart 
into his body. But he could think of 
nothmg, nothing. Toward midnight, his 
watchdog, a kind of half wolf, which he 
called &quot;Devour,&quot; began the howl of 
death. Father Anthony trembled to the 
marrow. And each time that the beast 
began his long, mournful wail again, a 
shiver of fear would run along the skin 
of the old man. 

He had fallen upon a chair, with 
'Weak knees; he was besotted, unable to 
do more, expecting that Devour would 
continue his wailing, and his nerves were 

; played upon by every form of fear that 
could set them vibrating. The clock 
downstairs struck five. The dog was 

■ still howling, and the farmer was be- 
coming mad. He got up and started to 

. unchain the animal, so that he might no 

longer listen to it. He went downstairs, 
opened the door, and went out into the 
night. 

The snow was falling still. All was 
white. The farm buildings were great, 
black spots. As he approached the ken- 
nel, the dog pulled on his chain. He 
loosed him. Then, Devour made a 
bound, stopped short, with hair bristling, 
paws trembling, smelling the air, his 
nose turned toward the manure heap 

Saint Anthony trembled from head to 
foot, muttering: &quot;What's the matter 
v;ith you, dirty beast?&quot; And he ad- 
vanced some steps, casting a penetrating 
eye through the uncertain shadows, the 
undefined shadows of the courtyard. 
Then he saw the form of a man seated 
on his manure-heap! 

He looked at the figure, and gasped 
with horror, motionless. But suddenly 
he perceived near him the handle of his 
fork stuck in the earth. He pulled it 
from the soil, and, in one of those trans- 
ports of fear which make cowardly men 
more bold, he rushed on with it, to see 
who the man was. 

It was he, the Prussian, soiled fron 
his bed Oi manure, the warmth of which 
had revived him and partly brought him 
back to his senses. He had seated him- 
self mechanically, and was resting there 
upon the snow which 1 ad powdered him 
well, over the filth and blood, still be- 
sotted by drunkenness, stunned by the 
blow, and exhausted from his wounds. 

He perceived Anthony and, too much 
stupefied to understand anything, he 
made a movement as if to rise. The 
old man, as soon as he recognized him, 
fumed like a wild beast. He sputtered: 
&quot;Ah! pig! pig! you are not dead! you 
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==Works==
* &quot;[[Acadiensis/Volume 3/Number 2/The Sea-Cow Fishery|The Sea-Cow Fishery]]&quot; in ''[[Acadiensis]]'', [[Acadiensis/Volume 3|Vol. III]], [[Acadiensis/Volume 3/Number 2|No. 2]] (April 1903)
* &quot;Prince Edward Island: A Historical Sketch&quot; (1906) {{IA small link|cihm_78694}}
** included in ''Past and Present of Prince Edward Island'' (1906), {{smaller|Warburton and [[Author:Donald Alexander MacKinnon|D. A. MacKinnon]], editors}} {{HTlink|011725523}}
* ''A History of Prince Edward Island'' (1923) {{IA small link|historyofprincee00warb}}

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{{sc|A critical}} examination of the nomenclature applied to the several divisions of the geological scale reveals a strange mixture of names, the reason for which is not evident to modern students of the science. In the list of system-names we find Carboniferous and Cretaceous, indicative of mineral characters, associated with Tertiary and Quaternary, meaning rank in some undefined order of sequence. The presence of these terms is no less mysterious than the absence of grauwacke and old-red sandstone, and primary and secondary, which were originally included. Triassic is the name of another system and records the three-fold division of the system of rocks to which it was applied; and Devonian, the name of another, reminds us of the county in England in which its rocks were first named. Observing these things, one is tempted to call in question the reliability of a systematic classification so heterogeneously compounded.

Although the older living geologists can remember back almost to the beginnings of the science, those who now are beginning their study of geology may find profit in examining the foundation principles, and the systems which have been devised, and have led to the construction and belief in the present classification—a classification, the adoption and unification of which has been thought worthy of the organization and continuance of an international Congress of Geologists. It is needless to call attention to the necessity of some systematic classification of geological formations, but as a foundation for the scientific study of the history of organisms there is need of a time-scale running back into the past, the degree of accuracy of which is known as well as the extent of its unreliability. In early attempts to classify&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|{{fine|180}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{di|T|image=Acadiensis Q1 Drop Initial T.png|imgsize=100px}}HE TERM &quot;Sea-Cow Fishery&quot; has anything but a familiar sound to men of the present day. It may be doubted if, in the Maritime Provinces, there are any now living who can remember a time when this industry was prosecuted. Yet, at one time, the sea-cow abounded in our waters and the fishery, if such it can be called, was of much importance, of so much as to claim the attention of the home government and to call for special local legislation for its regulation and preservation. Unfortunately that legislation failed in its object. The sea-cow has long ceased to frequent these waters. In its time the fishery was actively followed. The unwieldy animals were of considerable value to the early settlers of this island, as also to those on the coasts of the mainland.

After the formation of this island into a separate government, legislation affecting the sea-cow fishery was enacted, almost at once. Walter Patterson, our first governor, when leaving London to take up his residence here, received particular instructions, to enquire into the method of conducting this industry. In fact it appears to have engrossed more attention, in official circles, than any of what we are accustomed to consider our principal fisheries. Oysters, lobsters, not to mention codfish, mackerel, and other deep sea-fish, seem not to have been &quot;in it&quot; with the sea-cow.

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{{di|T|image=Acadiensis Q3 Drop Initial T.png|imgsize=100px}}HE TERM &quot;Sea-Cow Fishery&quot; has anything but a familiar sound to men of the present day. It may be doubted if, in the Maritime Provinces, there are any now living who can remember a time when this industry was prosecuted. Yet, at one time, the sea-cow abounded in our waters and the fishery, if such it can be called, was of much importance, of so much as to claim the attention of the home government and to call for special local legislation for its regulation and preservation. Unfortunately that legislation failed in its object. The sea-cow has long ceased to frequent these waters. In its time the fishery was actively followed. The unwieldy animals were of considerable value to the early settlers of this island, as also to those on the coasts of the mainland.

After the formation of this island into a separate government, legislation affecting the sea-cow fishery was enacted, almost at once. Walter Patterson, our first governor, when leaving London to take up his residence here, received particular instructions, to enquire into the method of conducting this industry. In fact it appears to have engrossed more attention, in official circles, than any of what we are accustomed to consider our principal fisheries. Oysters, lobsters, not to mention codfish, mackerel, and other deep sea-fish, seem not to have been &quot;in it&quot; with the sea-cow.

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&quot;Agreeable to Your Lordship's directions, given me at your office, the last time I had the honor of seeing you before I left London, I made as soon as possible after my arrival, all the enquiry I could into the manner of carrying on the Sea Cow Fishery at this island, and finding there were likely to be disputes between a Mr. Gridley, who lives on one of the Magdalen Islands, for the purpose of carrying on the same sort of fishery there; as he generally sends people to this island either to take the Sea Cows, or to prevent their landing and by that means force them to resort to the Magdalens; and some New England fishermen, who frequently land for a few days, to kill sea cows, and the inhabitants of this island, who have endeavoured to carry it on for some time past and fearing by that means the fishery might be rendered useless to all parties, if not entirely ruined, I have, by the advice of His Majesty's Council, passed an Act for the better regulation of it, which will be herewith transmitted to Your Lordship, that I may know His Majesty's pleasure concerning it.&quot;
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462 F.2d 1058, affirmed by an equally divided Court.


''George B. Little'' argued the cause for petitioners in No. 72-549. With him on the briefs was ''Conrad B. Mattox, Jr. William T. Coleman, Jr.'', argued the cause for petitioners in No. 72-550. With him on the briefs were ''Jack Greenberg, James M. Nabrit III, Norman J. Chachkin, Louis R. Lucas, William L. Taylor'', and ''Anthony G. Amsterdam''.

''Philip B. Kurland'' argued the cause for respondents in both cases. With him on the brief were ''Edward I. Rothschild, Andrew P. Miller'', Attorney General of Virginia, ''William G. Broaddus'' and ''D. Patrick Lacy, Jr.'', Assistant Attorneys General, ''Frederick T. Gray, Walter E. Rogers, J. Segar Gravatt, R.D. Mcllwainie III, L. Paul Byrne'', and ''J. Mercer White, Jr.''

''Solicitor General Griswold'' argued the cause for the United States as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance in both cases. With him on the brief were ''Assistant Attorney General Pottinger, A. Raymond Randolph, Jr., Brian K. Landsberg'', and ''John C. Hoyle''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt;


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;Together with No. 72-550, ''Bradley et al. v. State Board of Education of Virginia et al.'', also on certiorari to the same court.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;Briefs of ''amici curiae'' urging reversal in both cases were filed by ''Stephen J. Pollak, Richard M. Sharp'', and ''David Rubin'' for the National Education Association, and by ''Melvin L. Wulf, Sanford Jay Rosen'', and ''Philip Hirschkop'' for the American Civil Liberties Union et al. ''Margie Pitts Hames'' filed a brief for the Black Parents of Atlanta, Georgia, as ''amicus curiae'' urging reversal in No. 72-550.
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Briefs of ''amici curiae'' urging affirmance in both cases were filed by ''David L. Caplan'' for the Jewish Rights Council, and by ''Harold H. Fuhrman'' for the National Suburban League, Ltd. ''Charles S. Conley'' and ''Floyd B. McKissick'' led a brief for the Congress of Racial Equality as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance in No. 72-549.
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{{fine block/s}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;fishery are not made to operate as a burden upon this useful branch of commerce, I do not see, at present, any objection to the regulations prescribed by your ordinance, but as this is a matter upon which the heads of trade must be consulted, I have received the King's commands to transmit the ordinance to them for their consideration.&quot;
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I have no copy of the Ordinance itself.

These efforts proved unavailing. The fishermen and others quickly exterminated the herds, so thoroughly that not one has been seen or heard of in these waters within the memory of the &quot;oldest inhabitant.&quot; It is an illustration of the old story of &quot;killing the goose,&quot; just as fishermen and some traders whose real interest it is now-a-days to preserve the lobster and oyster fisheries, seem to be the ones most determined, despite all law and common sense, to destroy them.

Though the sea-cow is no longer found on our shores, it has left its name on the nomenclature of the country. In the western part of this province we have &quot;Sea-Cow Pond.&quot; On the right hand, as we make Summerside Harbor, &quot;Sea-Cow Head&quot; tells of the animals that once haunted the waters there or made their clumsy way on to and over the dry land.

The sea-cow was of much value to the old settlers. Its oil would not only be of use to them, but would also be an article for barter or trade. Whether or not use was made of the flesh, I cannot say, but the hide was of great consequence. At a time when ordinary articles required about the new settlement were most difficult to procure, when goods could only be obtained with much trouble, and most frequently not at all, the sea-cow's hide afforded an exceedingly strong and excellent material for traces and other parts of harness used in the new lands, and to a great extent would take the place of leather for other purposes.
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The soldier turned over on his back with 
a long death-sigh, while the old farmer 
drew the weapon from the wound and 
replunged it in the body, blow upon 
blow, striking like a madman, stamping 
with his feet upon the head and the rest 
of the body, which was still palpitacmg, 
and from which the blood spouted in 
great jets. 

Then he stopped, overcome with the 
violence of his effort, breathing the air 
in great draughts, appeased by the ac- 
complishment of his deed. 

As the cocks began to crow in the 
poultry-yard, and the day was dawning, 
he set himself to work to bury the man. 
He dug into the manure-heap, until he 
came to earth, then dug still deeper, 
working in a disorderly fashion, with 
furious force in his arms and his whole 
body. When the trench was long enough, 
he rolled the dead body into it with the 
fork, replaced the earth, kicking it about until it was level, put the manure over 
it again, and smiled to see the snov 
thicken and complete his work, wholly 
covering all traces with its white veil. 

Then he stuck his fork into the ma- 
nure and returned to the house. His 
bottle was still half full upon the table. 
He emptied it with a gulp, threw him- 
self upon the bed, and slept profoundly. 

He awoke Sobered, his mind calm and 
active, capable of judging the case and 
foreseeing results. At the end of an 
hour, he was scouring the country ask- 
ing everybody the whereabouts of the 
soldier. He went to the officers, to find 
out, he said, why they had taken his 
man away. 

As the Prussians knew nothing of the 
peculiar situation between the two men, 
they were not suspicious; and Anthony 
even directed the search, affirming thai 
the Prussian had gone running after 
some petticoat nearly every evening. 

An old refugee policeman, w^ho kept 
an inn in a neighboring village, and 
who had a pretty daughter, was arrested 
on suspicion of being the murderer, and 
was shot 

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They had been constantly in each 
other's society for a whole winter in 
Paris. After having lost sight of each 
other, as generally happens in such 
cases, after leaving college, the two 
friends met again one night, long years 
after, already old and white-haired, the 
one a bachelor, the other married. 

M. de Meroul lived six months in Paris and six months in his little chatead 
at Tourbeville. Having married the 
daughter of a gentleman in the district, 
he had lived a peaceful, happy life with 
the indolence of a man who has nothing 
to do. With a calm temperament and a 
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past, in deploring the morals and the 
institutions of to-day, and in repeating 
every moment to his wife, who raised 
her eyes to heaven, and sometimes her 
hands also, in token of energetic assent: 

&quot;Under what a government do we 
live, great God!&quot; 

Madame de Meroul mentally re- 
sembled her husband, just as if they had 
been brother and sister. She knew by 
tradition that one ought, first of all, to 
reverence the Pope and the King! 

And she loved them and respected 
them from the bottom of her heart, 
without knowing them, with a poetic ex- 
altation, with a hereditary devotion, with 
all the sensibility of a well-born woman. 
She was kindly in every feeling of her 
soul. She had no child, and was in- 
cessantly regretting it. 

When M. de Meroul came across his 
old school-fellow Joseph Mouradour at 
a ball, he experienced from this meeting 
a profound and genuine delight, for they 
Lad been very fond of one another in 
their youth. 

After exclamations of astonishment 
over the changes caused by age in tlieir 
bodies and their faces, they had asked 
one another a number of questions as to 
their respective careers. 

Joseph Mouradour, a native of the 
.south of France, had become a coun- 
cillor-general in his own neighborhood. 
Frank in his manners, he spoke briskly 
and without any circumspection, telling 
all his thoughts with sheer indifference 
&quot;I to prudential considerations. He was a 
Republican, of that race of good-natured 
Republicans who make their own ease 
the law of their existence, and who carry freedom of speech to the verge of brutality. 

He called at his friend's address in 
Paris, and was immediately a favorite, 
on account of his easy cordiality, in 
spite of his advanced opinions. Madame 
de Meroul exclaimed: 

&quot;What a pity! such a charming man!** 
M. de Meroul said to his friend, in a 
sincere and confidential tone: *'You 
cannot imagine what a wrong you do to 
our country.&quot; He was attached to his 
friend nevertheless, for no bonds are 
more solid than those of childhood re- 
newed in later life. Joseph Mouradour 
chaffed the husband and wife, called 
them &quot;my loving turtles,&quot; and occasion- 
ally gave vent to loud declarations 
against people who were behind the age, 
against all sorts of prejudices and tradi- 
tions. 

&quot;When he thus directed the flood of hij 
democratic eloquence, the married pair 
feeling ill at ease, kept silent through i 
sense of propriety and good-breeding; 
then the husband tried to &lt;-urn off the 
conversation in order to avoid any fric- 
tion. Joseph Mourado'ir did not want 
to know anyone unless he was free to 
say what he liked. 

Summer came round. The Merouls 
knew no greater pleasure than to receive 
their old friends in their country house 
at Tourbeville. It was an intimate and 
healthy pleasure, the pleasure uf homely 
gentlefolk who had spent most of their 
lives in the country. They used to go 
to the nearest railway station to meet 
some of their guests, and drove them to 
the house in their carriage, watching for 
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The ancients in many respects were keen observers; they knew much about plants, animals, physical and chemical phenomena, and astronomy. But with all their learning, there appears to have been no conception formed of an ancient history of the globe and its inhabitants prior to the earlier centuries of the Christian era. One of the first geological phenomena to become generalized into a theory was that of the formation of mountains by earthquakes, as cited by Avicenus in the tenth century. The gradual change of relative level of land and sea, as seen in the encroaching of the sea or the departure of sea from the shore, gave rise to speculations regarding the great length of time required for the lifting of the whole land by this means. In the sixteenth century, Lyell reminds us, attention was drawn to the meaning of fossils, and dispute arose as to their nature. Leonardo da Vinci doubted the then current belief that the stars were the cause of the fossil shells and pebbles on the mountain sides, and advanced the idea &quot;that the mud of rivers has covered and penetrated into the interior of fossil shells at the time when these were still at the bottom of the sea near the coast&quot; (Lyell's Principles, p. 34).

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The judgment is affirmed by an equally divided Court.


MR. JUSTICE POWELL took no part in the consideration or decision of these cases.

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ness of the peasant's houses, on the bigness of the cattle they saw in the fields. 
on everything that met the eye as far as the edge of the horizon. 

They liked to have it noticed that 
their horses trotted in a wonderful manner for an animal employed a part of 
the year in field-work; and they awaited 
with anxety the newcomer's opinion on 
their family estate, sensitive to the 
slightest word, grateful for the slightest 
gracious attention. 

Joseph Mouradour was invited, aad he 
announced his arrival. The wife and 
the husband came to meet the train, 
delighted to have the opportunity of do- 
ing the honors of their house. 

As soon as he perceived them, Joseph 
Mouradour jumped out of his carriage 
with a vivacity which increased their 
satisfaction. He grasped their hands 
warmly, congratulated them, and intoxi- 
cated them with compliments. 

He was quite charming in his manner 
as they drove along the road to the 
house; he expressed astonishment at the 
'height of the trees, the excellence of 
the crops, and the quickness of the 
horse. 

When he placed his foot on the steps 
in front of the chateau, M. de Meroul 
said to him with a certain friendly 
solemnity: 

&quot;Now you are at home.&quot; 

Joseph Mouradour answered : 
&quot;Thanks, old fellow; I counted on that. 
For my part, besides, I never put my- 
self out with my friends. That's the 
only hospitality I understand.&quot; 

Then he went up to his own room, 
where he put on the costume of a 
peasant, as he was pleased to describe 
it. and he came down again not very 

long after, attired in blue linen, v^itb 
yellow boots, in the careless rig-out of a 
Parisian out for a holiday. He seemed, 
too, to have become more common, 
more jolly, more famihar, having as 
sumed along with his would-be rustic 
garb a free and easy swagger which he 
thought suited the style of dress. His 
new apparel somewhat shocked M. 
and Madame de Meroul, who even at 
home on their estate always remained 
serious and respectable, as the particle 
&quot;de&quot; before their name exacted a 
certain amount of ceremonial even 
with their intimate friends. 

After lunch they went to visit the 
farms; and the Parisian stupefied the 
respectable peasant by talking to them 
as if he were a comrade of theirs. 

In the evening, the cure dined at the 
house — a fat old priest, wearing his Sun- 
day suit, who had been specially asked 
that day in order to meet the new- 
comer. 

When Joseph saw him he made a 
grimace, then he stared at the priest in 
astonishment as if he belonged to some 
peculiar race of beings, the like of which 
he had never seen before at such close 
quarters. He told a few stories allow- 
able enough with a friend after dinner, 
but apparently somewhat out of place 
in the presence of an ecclesiastic. H*? 
did not say, &quot;Monsieur I'Abbe,&quot; but 
merely &quot;Monsieur&quot;; and he embarrassed 
the priest with philosophical views as 
to the various superstitions that pre- 
vailed on the surface of the globe. 

He remarked: 

&quot;Your God, Monsieur, is one of those 
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The Merouls, greatly put out, attempted to divert his thoughts. The 
cure left very early. 

Then the husband gently remarked: 

&quot;You went a little too far with that 
priest.&quot; 

But Joseph immediately replied: 

&quot;That's a very good joke, too! Am I 
to bother my brains about a devil- 
dodger? At any rate, do me the favor 
of not ever again having such an old 
fogy to dinner. Confound his impu- 
dence!&quot; 

&quot;But, my friend, remember his sacred 
character.&quot; 

Joseph Mouradour interrupted him: 

&quot;Yes, I know. We must treat them 
like girls who get roses for being well 
behaved! That's all right, my boy! 
When these people respect my convic- 
tions, I will respect theirs!&quot; 

This was all that happened that day. 

Next morning Madame Je Meroul, on 
entering her drawing-room, saw lying 
on the table three newspapers which 
made her draw back in horror, **Le 
Voltaire,&quot; '*La Republique Frangaise,&quot; 
and &quot;La Justice.&quot; 

Presently Joseph Mouradour, still in 
his blue blouse, appeared on the 
threshold, reading &quot;L'lntransi^eant&quot; at- 
tentively. He exclaimed: 

&quot;Here is a splendid article by Roche- 
fort. That fellow is marvelous.&quot; 

He read the article in a loud voice, 
laying so much stress on its most strik- 
ing passages that he did not notice the 
entrance ot his friend. 

M. de Meroul had a paper in each 
hand: &quot;Le Gaulois&quot; for himself and 
**Le Clarion&quot; for his wife 

The ardent prose of the master-writex 
who overthrew the empire, violently de- 
claimed, recited in the accent of the 
south, rang through the peaceful draw- 
ing-room, shook the old curtains with 
their rigid folds, seemed to splash the 
walls, the large upholstered chairs, the 
solemn furniture fixed in the same posi- 
tion for the past century, with a hail 
of words, rebounding, impudent, ironi- 
cal, and crushmg. 

The husband and the wife, the one 
standing, the other seated, listened in a 
state of stupor, so scandalized that they 
no longer even ventured to make a ges- 
ture. Mouradour flung out the conclud- 
ing passage in the article as one sets off 
a stream of fireworks; then in an em- 
phatic tone he remarked: 

&quot;Thats a stinger, eh?&quot; 

But suddenly he perceived the two 
prints belonging to his friend, and he 
seemed himself for a moment overcome 
with astonishment. Then he came 
across to his host with great strides, de- 
manding in an angry tone: 

&quot;What do you want to do with these 
papers?&quot; 

M. de Meroul replied in a hesitating 
voice: 

&quot;Why, these — these are my — my 
newspapers.&quot; 

&quot;Your newspapers! Look here, now,, 
you are only laughing at me! You will 
do me the favor to read mine, to stir 
you up with a few new ideas, and, as 
for yours — this is what I do with 
them—&quot; 

And before his host, filled with confu- 
sion, could prevent him, he seized the 
two newspapers and flung them out 
through the window. Then he gravely 
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Most allied to C. vittellus and C. simplex, resembling them in form of wing; from the former it differs by the costal edge being white nearly throughout, more brassy tint, larger size, and absence of distinct blackish hind-marginal dots, as well as by the whitish cilia; from the latter by the much darker colouring, more sharply-defined white markings, and absence of white suffusion on veins.

Taken plentifully by Mr. R. W. Fereday on Mount Hutt in January.

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''Male, female.''—29–33 mm. Head light brownish-ochreous, with a narrow ill-defined whitish longitudinal stripe on each side above eyes, meeting above palpi. Maxillary palpi brownish-ochreous, apex whitish. Labial palpi moderate, brownish-ochreous, internally and at base beneath white. Antennæ dark fuscous. Thorax light brownish-ochreous. Abdomen pale ochreous. Anterior and middle legs greyish-fuscous; posterior legs grey-whitish. Forewings rather narrow, posteriorly dilated, costa at first very gently arched, more strongly on posterior half, faintly sinuate in middle, apex nearly rectangular, hindmargin moderately oblique, rather strongly rounded; greyish-ochreous, somewhat deeper on disc, with a slight brassy tinge; extreme costal edge very slenderly white from near base to apex; a very slender white line close beneath costa from base, merged in costal edge before middle; three or four slender indistinct short white streaks on veins towards posterior half of costa and apex; a narrow tolerably well-defined central longitudinal white streak from base to hindmargin, very slightly sinuate in middle and very slightly curved posteriorly, attenuated towards base; seven minute black dots on hindmargin: cilia whitish-grey. Hindwings pale grey, somewhat darker towards hindmargin; cilia whitish.
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into an armchair to finish &quot;L'lntransigéant.&quot; 

The husband and the wife, through 
feelings of delicacy, made a show of 
reading a little, then they handed back 
the Republican newspapers which they 
touched with their finger-tips as if they 
liad been poisoned. 

Then Mouradour burst out laughing 
and said: 

&quot;A week of this sort of nourishment, 
end I'll have you converted to my ideas.&quot; 

At the end of a week, in fact, he 
ruled the house. He had shut the door 
on the cure, whom Madame de Meroul 
went to see in secret. He gave orders 
that neither the &quot;Gaulois&quot; nor the 
&quot;Clarion&quot; were to be admitted into the 
house, which a manserveant went to get 
in a mysterious fashion at the post-office, 
and which, on his entrance, were hidden 
away under the sofa cushions. He regu- 
lated everything just as he liked, always 
charming, always good-natured, a jovial 
nnd all-powerful tyrant. 

Other friends were about to come ol 
a visit, religious people with Legitimist 
opinions. The master and mistress of 
the chateau considered it would be im- 
possible to let them meet their lively 
guest, and not knowing what to do, an- 
nounced to Joseph Mouradour one 
evening that they were obliged to go 
away from home for a few days about a 
little matter of business, and they begged 
of him to remain in the house alone. 

He showed no trace of emotion, and 
replied : 

&quot;Very well: tis all the same to me; 
I'll wait here for you as long as you like. 
What I say is this — there need be no 
ceremony between friends. You're quite 
right to look after your own affairs — 
why the devil shouldn't you? I'll not 
take offense at your doing that, quite 
the contrary. It only makes me feel 
quite at my ease with you. Go, my 
friends — I'll wait for you.&quot; 

M. and Madame de Meroul started next morning. 

He is waiting for them. 

{{c|{{larger|''The Blind Man''}}}}

How is it that the sunlight gives us 
such joy? Why does this radiance when 
it falls on the earth fill us so much 
with the delight of living? The sky is 
all blue, the fields are all green, the 
houses all white; and our ravished eyes 
drink in those bright colors which bring 
itnirthfulness to our souls. And then 
there springs up in our hearts a desire 
to dance, a desire to run, a desire to sing, a happy lightness of thought, a 
sort of enlarged tenderness; we feel a 
longing to embrace the sun. 

The blind, as they 5it in the door- 
ways, impassive in their eternal dark- 
ness remain as calm as ever in the 
midst of this fresh gaiety, and, not com- 
prehending what is taking place around 
them, they continue every moment t6 
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into an armchair to finish &quot;L'lntransigéant.&quot; 

The husband and the wife, through 
feelings of delicacy, made a show of 
reading a little, then they handed back 
the Republican newspapers which they 
touched with their finger-tips as if they 
liad been poisoned. 

Then Mouradour burst out laughing 
and said: 

&quot;A week of this sort of nourishment, 
end I'll have you converted to my ideas.&quot; 

At the end of a week, in fact, he 
ruled the house. He had shut the door 
on the cure, whom Madame de Meroul 
went to see in secret. He gave orders 
that neither the &quot;Gaulois&quot; nor the 
&quot;Clarion&quot; were to be admitted into the 
house, which a manserveant went to get 
in a mysterious fashion at the post-office, 
and which, on his entrance, were hidden 
away under the sofa cushions. He regu- 
lated everything just as he liked, always 
charming, always good-natured, a jovial 
nnd all-powerful tyrant. 

Other friends were about to come ol 
a visit, religious people with Legitimist 
opinions. The master and mistress of 
the chateau considered it would be im- 
possible to let them meet their lively 
guest, and not knowing what to do, an- 
nounced to Joseph Mouradour one 
evening that they were obliged to go 
away from home for a few days about a 
little matter of business, and they begged 
of him to remain in the house alone. 

He showed no trace of emotion, and 
replied : 

&quot;Very well: tis all the same to me; 
I'll wait here for you as long as you like. 
What I say is this — there need be no 
ceremony between friends. You're quite 
right to look after your own affairs — 
why the devil shouldn't you? I'll not 
take offense at your doing that, quite 
the contrary. It only makes me feel 
quite at my ease with you. Go, my 
friends — I'll wait for you.&quot; 

M. and Madame de Meroul started next morning. 

He is waiting for them. 

{{c|{{larger|''The Blind Man''}}}}

How is it that the sunlight gives us 
such joy? Why does this radiance when 
it falls on the earth fill us so much 
with the delight of living? The sky is 
all blue, the fields are all green, the 
houses all white; and our ravished eyes 
drink in those bright colors which bring 
mirthfulness to our souls. And then 
there springs up in our hearts a desire 
to dance, a desire to run, a desire to sing, a happy lightness of thought, a 
sort of enlarged tenderness; we feel a 
longing to embrace the sun. 

The blind, as they 5it in the doorways, impassive in their eternal darkness remain as calm as ever in the midst of this fresh gaiety, and, not comprehending what is taking place around them, they continue every moment to stop their dogs from gamboling.
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are returning home on the arm of a 
young brother or a little sister, if the 
child says: &quot;It was a very fine day!&quot; 
the other answers; &quot;I could notice that 
'twas fine. Lulu wouldn't keep quiet.&quot; 

I have known one of these men whose 
life was one of the most cruel martyr- 
doms that could possibly be conceived. 

He was a peasant, the son of a Nor- 
man farmer. As long as his father and 
mother lived, he was more or less taken 
care of; he suffered little save from his 
horrible infirmity ; but as soon as the old 
people were gone, a life of atrocious 
misery commenced for him. A depend- 
ent on a sister of his, everybody in the 
farmhouse treated him as a beggar who 
is eating the bread of others. At every 
meal the very food he swallowed was 
made a subject of reproach against him; 
he was called a drone, a clown; and al- 
though his brother-in-law had taken pos- 
session of his portion of the inheritance, 
the soup was given to him grudgingly — 
just enough to save him from dying. 

His face was very pale and his tv/o 
big white eyes were like wafers. He 
remained unmoved in spite of the in- 
sults inflicted upon him, so shut up in 
himself that one could not tell whether 
he felt them at all. 

stirred till night. He made no gesture, 
no movement; only his eyelids, quiver- 
ing from some nervous affection, fell 
down sometimes over his white sight- 
less orbs. Had he any intellect, any 
thinking faculty, any consciousness of 
his own existence? Nobody cared to 
inquire as to whether he had or no. 

For some years things went on in this 
fashion. But his incapacity for doing 
anything as well as his impassiveness 
eventually exasperated his relatives, and 
he became a laughing-stock, a sort of 
martyred buffoon, a prey given over to 
native ferocity, to the savage gaiety of 
the brutes who surrounded him. 

It is easy to imagine all the cruel 
practical jokes inspired by his blind- 
ness. And, in order to have some fun 
in return for feeding him, they now con- 
verted his meals into hours of pleasure 
for the neighbors and of punishment 
for the helpless creature himself. 

Ths peasants from the nearest houses 
came to this entertainment ; it was talked 
about from door to door, and every 
day the kitchen of the farmhouse was 
full of people. For instance, they put on 
the table in front of his plate, when he 
was beginning to take the soup, a cat or 
a dog. The animal instinctively scented 
out the man's infirmity, and, softly ap- 

Moreover, he had never known any preaching, commenced eating noiselessly, 

^'tenderness, his mother had always lapping up the soup daintily; and when 

treated him very unkindly, caring a rather loud licking of the tongue 

scarcely at all for him; for in country awakened the poor fellow's attention, it 

places the useless are obnoxious, and the would prudently scamper away to avoid 

peasants would be glad, like hens, to the blow of the spoon directed at it bv 

kill the infirm of their species. 

As soon as the soup had been gulped 
down, he went to the door in summer 
time and sat down, to the chimney-cor- 
ner in winter time, and, after that, never 

the blind man at random! 

Then the spectators, huddled against 
the walls, burst out lau::h:n^, nudged 
each other, and stamped their feet on 
the floor. And he, without evpr uttering&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Lehmann&lt;ref&gt;J. G. Lehmann, {{lang|de|Versuch einer geschichte von floetz-gebürgen, etc.,}} Berlin, 1756. French translation cited by Lyell.{{em}}{{lang|fr|Essai d'un Hist. Nat. des Couches de la Terre,}} 1759. See Lyell, &quot;Principles,&quot; Vol. 1, p. 72, and Conybeare and Phillips &quot;Geology,&quot; p. vi, and p. xiii.&lt;/ref&gt; (Johann Gottlob Lehmann died in St. Petersburg, 1767) is generally credited with having first proposed a classification of rocks on the basis of the order of their formation, as Primitive, Secondary, and a third class, the modern or superficial rocks made by the deluge or ordinary river action. Lehmann recognized also a direct relation of origin of the Secondary from the Primitive rocks, and thuse arose the beginnings of the geological time-scale. Lehmann recognized three originally distinct kinds of rocks, or rock formations. The volcanic were separated from the others because having no particular connection with either in origin. The distinction, however, between Primitive and Secondary was fundamental. The Primitive was strictly the original basal rock formed by crystallization from chemical solution before organisms lived; and the Secondary rocks were of secondary origin, made out of fragments of the older and always lying above them. In the original classification of Lehmann, Secondary included all the stratified rocks, as we now consider them, and in the classifications following Lehmann for some years the term Secondary was applied, though in a restricted sense.

Cuvier and Brongniart proposed the name Tertiary for the rocks classified as Secondary by Lehmann, but lying above what is now known as the Cretaceous system; and Quaternary was introduced by Morlot in 1854 for the rocks of superficial position and of glacial or fluviatile origin. Thus the nomenclature of Lehmann, which was proposed originally to indicate the derivation of the Secondary from the Primitive, was expanded on the basis of stratigraphic succession, and we observe the anomaly of a retention of two names (Tertiary and Quaternary), formed on the principle of Lehmann's terms, but his own terms, as well as his theory as a basis of classification, entirely discarded.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;a word, would continue eating with the  aid of his right hand, while stretching  out his left to protect and defend his  plate.   At another time they made him chew  corks, bits of wood, leaves, or even filth,  which he was unable to distinguish.   After th's, they got tired even of these  practical jokes; and the brother-in-law,  mad at having to support him always,  struck him, cuffed him incessantly,  laughing at the useless efforts of the  other to w...</comment>
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aid of his right hand, while stretching 
out his left to protect and defend his 
plate. 

At another time they made him chew 
corks, bits of wood, leaves, or even filth, 
which he was unable to distinguish. 

After th's, they got tired even of these 
practical jokes; and the brother-in-law, 
mad at having to support him always, 
struck him, cuffed him incessantly, 
laughing at the useless efforts of the 
other to ward off or return the blows. 
Then came a new pleasure — the pleasure 
of smacking his face. And the plow- 
men, the servant-girls, and even every 
passing vagabond were every moment 
giving him cuffs, which caused his eye- 
lashes to twitch spasmodically. He did 
not know where to hide himself and re- 
mained with his arms always held out to 
guard against people coming too close to 
him. 

At last he was forced to beg. 

He was placed somewhere on the high- 
road on market-days, and, as soon as he 
heard the sound of footsteps or the roll- 
ing of a vehicle, he reached out his hat, 
stammering: 

&quot;Charity, if you please!&quot; 

But the peasant is not lavish, and, 
for whole weeks, he did not bring back 
a sou. 

Then he became the victim of furious, 
pitiless hatred. And this is how he died. 

One winter, the ground was covered 
with snow, and it froze horribly. Now 
his brother-in-law led him one morning 
at this season a great distance along the 
highroad in order that he might solicit 
alms. The blind man was left there all 
day, and, when night came on, the 
!)rother-in-law told the DeoDle of his 

house that he could find no trace of the 
mendicant. Then he added: 

&quot;Pooh! best not bother about him! 
He was cold, and got some one to take 
him away. Never fear! he's not lost. 
He'll turn up soon enough to-morrow to 
eat the soup.&quot; 

Next day he did not come bat-R. 

After long hours of waiting, stiffened 
with the cold, feeling that he was dying, 
the blind man began to walk. Being 
unable to find his way along the road, 
owing to its thick coating of ice, he 
went on at random, falling into dikes, 
getting up again, without uttering a 
sound, his sole object being to find 
some house where he could take shelter. 

But by degrees the descending snow 
made a numbness steal over him, and his 
feeble limbs being incapable of tarrying 
him farther, he had to sit down in the 
middle of an open field. He did not get 
up again. 

The white flakes which kept continu- 
ally falling buried him, so that his body, 
quite stiff and stark, disappeared under 
the incessant accumulation of their 
rapidly thickening mass; and nothing 
any longer indicated the place where 
the corpse was lying. 

His relatives made pretense of in- 
quiring about him and searching for 
him for about a week. They even made 
a show of weeping. 

The winter was severe, and the thaw 
did not set in quickly. Now, one Sun- 
day, on their way to mass, the farmers 
noticed a great flight of crows, who were 
whirling endlessly above the open field, 
and then, liKe a shower of black rain, 
descended in a heap at the same spot, 
ever going and coming.
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;The following week these gloomy birds  ivere still there. There was a crowd of  them up in the air, as if they had gath-  ered from all corners of the horizon;  and they swooped down with a great  cawing into the shining snow, which they  filled curiously with patches of black,  and in which they kept rummaging ob-  stinately. A youpg fellow went to see  what they were doing, and discovered   the body of the blind man, already half  devoured, mangled. Hi...</comment>
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ivere still there. There was a crowd of 
them up in the air, as if they had gath- 
ered from all corners of the horizon; 
and they swooped down with a great 
cawing into the shining snow, which they 
filled curiously with patches of black, 
and in which they kept rummaging ob- 
stinately. A youpg fellow went to see 
what they were doing, and discovered 

the body of the blind man, already half 
devoured, mangled. His wan eyes had 
disappeared, pecked out by the long 
voracious beaks. 

And I can never feel the glad radiance 
of sunlit days without sadly remember- 
ing and gloomily pondering over the 
fate of the beggar so deprived of joy in 
life that his horrible death w?s a relief 
for all those who had known him. 

{{c|{{larger|''The Impolite Sex''}}}}

{{sc|Madame de X. to Madame de L.}}

Etretat, Friday. 

My Dear Aunt, — I am going to pay 
you a visit without making much fuss 
about it. I shall be at Les Fresnes on 
the second of September, the day before 
the hunting season opens ; I do not want 
to miss it, so that I may tease these 
gentlemen. You are very obli^i'inc, 
Aunt, and I would like you to allow 
them to dine with you, as you usually 
do when there are no strange guests, 
&gt;vithout dressing or shaving for the occa- 
sion, on the ground that they are 
fatigued. 

They are delighted, of course, when I 
am not present. But I shall be there, 
and I shall hold a review, like a general, 
at the dinner-hour; and, if I find a 
single one of them at all careless in 
dress, no matter how little, I mean to 
send him down to the kitchen to the 
servant-maids. 

The men of to-day have so little con- 
sideration for others and so little good 
manners that one must be always severe 
wifh them. We live indeed in an age 

of vulgarity. When they quarrel with 
one another, /hey attache one another 
with insults worthy of street porters, 
and, in our presence, they do not con- 
duct themselves even as well as our 
servants. It is at the seaside that you 
see this most clearly They are to be 
found there in battalion, and you can 
judge them in the lump. Oh, what 
coarse beings they are! 

Just imagine, in a train, one of them, 
a gentleman who looked well as I 
thought, at first sight, thanks to his 
tailor, w?,s dainty enough to take off his 
boots in order to put on a pair of old 
shoes! Another, an old man, who was 
probably some wealthy upstart (these 
are the most ill-bred), while sitting op- 
posite to me, had the delicacy to place 
hi5 two feet on the seat quite close to 
me. This is a positive fact. 

At the watering-places, tnere is an un- 
restrained outpouring of unmannerliness. 
I mast here make one admission — that 
my indignation is perhaps due to the 
fact that I am not accustomed to asso- 
ciate as a rule with the sort of people 
one comes across here, for I should he&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Several specimens taken by Mr. R. W. Fereday near Lake Wakatipu in January.

{{c|7. ''Cr. callirrhoüs'', n. sp.}}

''Male.''—24–27 mm. Head white, with a pale brownish longitudinal spot on face, and posterior margin of eyes ochreous-brown. Maxillary palpi white, towards base externally ochreous-brown. Labial palpi long, white, externally ochreous-brown. Antennæ dark fuscous. Thorax brownish-ochreous, a broad central longitudinal stripe and margins of shoulders white. Abdomen ochreous-whitish, more ochreous towards base. Anterior and middle legs greyish-fuscous, posterior legs white. Forewings moderate or rather narrow, costa at first very gently archec, more strongly on posterior half, distinctly sinuate in middle, apex nearly rectangular, hind margin moderately oblique, slightly sinuate below apex, strongly rounded beneath; greyish-ochreous, rather deeper on disc, with a more or less distinct brassy-yellowish tinge; a slender white streak along costa throughout; veins on posterior two-thirds of wing above median streak indicated by slender white lines, partially suffused and confluent on costa about ¾; a slender almost straight central longitudinal white streak from base to hindmargin, slightly sinuate in middle; sometimes a slender white streak along vein 2 towards hindmargin; a narrow white streak, very slender at extremities, along inner margin from base, leaving inner margin at about ¼ and continued very near it to anal angle, posteriorly suffused: cilia shining whitish. Hindwings whitish-grey, somewhat darker posteriorly, hindmargin slightly ochreous-tinged; cilia white.

Distinguished from all its allies by the distinctness of the slender white streaks on the veins; from ''C. haplotomus'', which it most nearly resembles, also by the smaller size, and broad white stripe on thorax.

I have met with this elegant species only on sandhills near Christchurch; in February and March; Mr. R. W. Fereday has taken it, with other species usually frequenting coast sandhills, at Lake Guyon.

{{c|8. ''Cr. simplex'', [[Author:Arthur Gardiner Butler|Butl.]]

{{fine block|(''Chilo simplex'', Butl., Proc. Zool. Soc. Lond., 1877, 400, Pl. XLIII., 12.)}}}}

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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;less shocked by their manners if I had  the opportunity of observing them  oftener. In the inquiry-office of the  hotel I was nearly thrown down by a^  young man, who snatched the key over  my head. Another knocked against me  so violently without begging my pardon  or lifting his hat, coming away from a  ball at the Casino, that he gave me a  pain in the chest. It is the same way  with all of them. Watch them address-  ing ladies on the terrace: they sc...</comment>
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the opportunity of observing them 
oftener. In the inquiry-office of the 
hotel I was nearly thrown down by a^ 
young man, who snatched the key over 
my head. Another knocked against me 
so violently without begging my pardon 
or lifting his hat, coming away from a 
ball at the Casino, that he gave me a 
pain in the chest. It is the same way 
with all of them. Watch them address- 
ing ladies on the terrace: they scarcely 
ever bow. They merely raise their hands 
to their headgear. But indeed, as they 
are all more or less bald, it is the best 
plan. 

But what exasperates and disgusts me 
especially is the liberty they take of 
talking publicly, without any precaution 
whatsoever, about the most revolting 
adventures. When two men are together, 
they relate to each other, in the broadest 
language and with the most abominable 
comments, really horrible stories, with- 
out caring in the shghtest degree 
whether a woman's ear is within reach 
of their voices. Yesterday, on the beach, 
I was forced to go away from the place 
where I sat in order not to be any 
longer the involuntary confidant of an 
obscene anecdote, told in such immodest 
language that I felt as much humiliated 
as I was indignant at having heard it. 
Would not the most elementary good- 
breeding have taught them to speak in a 
lower tone about such matters when we 
are near at hand? Etretat is, moreover, 
the country of gossip and scandal. 
From five to seven o'clock you can see 
people wandering about in quest of 
nasty stories about others, which they 
retail from group to group. As you 
remarked to me, my dear Aunt, tittle- 

tattle is the mark of petty individuals 
and petty minds. It is also the consola- 
tion of women who are no longer loved 
or sought after. It is enough for me to 
observe the women who are fondest of 
gossiping to be persuaded that yoa are 
quite right. 

The other day I was present at a 
musical evening at the Casino, given by 
a remarkable artist, Madame Masson, 
who sings in a truly delightful manner. 
I took the opportunity of applauding 
the admirable Coquelin, as well as two 
charming boarders of the Vaudeville, 

M and Meillet. I was able, on the 

occasion, to see all the bathers collected 
together this year on the beach. There 
were not many persons of distinction 
among them. 

One day I went to lunch at Yport. I 
noticed a tall man with a beard who was 
coming out of a large house like a castle 
It was the painter, Jean Paul Laurens 
He is not satisfied apparently with im- 
prisoning the subjects of his pictures; 
he insists on imprisoning himself. 

Then I found myself seated on the 
shingle close to a man still young, of 
gentle and refined appearance, who was 
reading some verses. But he read them 
W'.th such concentration, with such pas- 
sion, I may say, that he did not even 
raise his eyes toward me. I was some- 
what astonished, and I asked the con- 
ductor of the baths, without appearing 
to be much concerned, the name of this 
gentleman. I laughed inwardly a little 
at this reader of rhymes : he seemed be- 
hind the age, for a man. This person, I 
thought, must be a simpleton. Vveil, 
Aunt, I am now infatuated about this 
stranger. Just fancy, his name is Sully 
Prudhomme! C turned round to look at&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;him at my ease, just where I sat. His  face possesses the two qualities of  calmness and elegance. As somebody  came to look for him, I was able to  hear his voice, which is sweet and almost  timid. He would certainly not tell ob-  scene stories aloud in public, or knock  against ladies without apologizing. He  is sure tu be a man of refinement, but  his refinement is of an almost morbid,  vibrating character. I will try this win-  ter to get an introduc...</comment>
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face possesses the two qualities of 
calmness and elegance. As somebody 
came to look for him, I was able to 
hear his voice, which is sweet and almost 
timid. He would certainly not tell ob- 
scene stories aloud in public, or knock 
against ladies without apologizing. He 
is sure tu be a man of refinement, but 
his refinement is of an almost morbid, 
vibrating character. I will try this win- 
ter to get an introduction to him. 

I have no more news to tell you, my 
dear Aunt, and I m.ust interrupt this 
letter in haste, as the post-hour is near. 
I kiss your hands and your cheeks. 

Your devoted niece, 

Berthe de X. 

P.S. — I should add, however, by way 
of justification of French politeness, that 
our fellow-countrymen are, when trav- 
eling, models of good manners in com- 
parison with the abominable English, who 
seem to have been brought up by stable- 
boys, so much do they take care not to 
incommode themselves in any way, while 
they always incommode their neighbors. 

Madame de L. to Madame de X. 

Les Fresnes, Saturday. 
My Dear Child, — Many of the 
things you have said to me are very 
reasonable, but that does not prevent 
you from being wrong. Like you, I 
used formerly to feel very indignant at 
the impoliteness of men, who, as I sup- 
posed, constantly treated me with neg- 
lect; but as I grew older and reflected 
on everything, putting aside coquetry 
and observing things without taking any 
part in them myself, I perceived this 
much — that if men are not always po- 

lite, women are always indescribably 
rude. 

We imagine that we should be per- 
mitted to do anything, my darling, and 
at the same time we consider that we 
have a right to the utmost respect, and 
in the most flagrant manner we commit 
actions devoid of that elementary good- 
breeding of which you speak with 
passion. 

I find, on the contrary, that men have, 
for us, much consideration, as compared 
with our bearing toward them. Besides, 
darling, men must needs be, and are, 
what we make them. In a state of 
society where women are all true gentle- 
women all men would become gentlemen. 

Mark my words; just observe and 
reflect. 

Look at two women meeting in the 
street. What an attitude each assumes 
toward the other! What disparaging 
looks! What contempt they throw into 
each glance! How they toss their heads 
while they inspect each other to find 
something to condemn! And, if the 
footpath is narrow, do you think one 
woman will make room for another, or 
will beg pardon as she sweeps by? 
When two men jostle each other by acci- 
dent in some narrow lane, each of them 
bows and at the same time gets out of 
the other's way, while we women press 
against each other, stomach to stomach, 
face to face, insolently staring each 
other out of countenance. 

Look at two women who are acquain- 
tances meeting on a staircase before the 
drawing-room door of a friend of theirs 
to whom one has just paid a visit, and 
to whom the other is about to pay a 
visit. They begin to talk to each other.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;and block up the passage. If anyone  happens to be coming up behind them,  man or woman, do you imagine that  they will put themselves half an inch  ou^ of their way? Never! never!   I was waiting myself, with my watch  in my hands, one day last winter, at a  certain drawing-room door. Behind me  two gentlemen were also waiting with-  out showing any readiness to lose their  temper, like me. The reason was that  they had long grown accustomed to our  unc...</comment>
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happens to be coming up behind them, 
man or woman, do you imagine that 
they will put themselves half an inch 
ou^ of their way? Never! never! 

I was waiting myself, with my watch 
in my hands, one day last winter, at a 
certain drawing-room door. Behind me 
two gentlemen were also waiting with- 
out showing any readiness to lose their 
temper, like me. The reason was that 
they had long grown accustomed to our 
unconscionable insolence. 

The other day, before leaving Paiis, 
I went to dine with no less a person 
than your husband in the Champs- 
Elysees, in order to enjoy the open air. 
Every table was occupied. The waiter 
asked us not to go, and there would soon 
be a vacant table. 

At that moment, I noticed an elderly 
lady of noble figure, who, having paid 
the amount of her check, seemed on 
the point of going away. She saw me, 
scanned me from head to foot, and did 
not budge. For more than a full quar- 
ter of an hour she sat there, immovable, 
putting on her gloves, and calmly staring 
at those who were waiting like myself. 
Now, two young men who were just 
finishing their dinner, having seen me in 
their turn, quickly summoned the waiter 
in order to pay whatever they owed, and 
at once offered me their seats, even in- 
sisting on standing while waiting for 
their change. And, bear in mind, my 
fair niece, that I am no longer pretty, 
like you, but old and white-haired. 

It is we (do you see?) who should be 
taught politeness ; and the task would be 
such a difficult one that Hercules him- 
self would not be equal to it. You 
speak to me about Etretat. and about 

the people who indulge in &quot;tittle-tattle*' 
along the beach of that delightful water- 
ing-place. It is a spot now lost to me, a 
thing of the past, but I found much 
amusement there in days gone by. 

There were only a few of us, people 
in good society, really good society, and 
a few artists, and we all fraternized. 
We paid little attention to gossip in 
those days. 

Well, as we had no insipid Casino, 
where people only gather for show, 
where they talk in whispers, where they 
dance stupidly, where they succeed in 
thoroughly boring one another, we 
sought some other way of passing our 
evenings pleasantly. Now, just guess 
what came into the head of one of our 
husbandry? Nothing else than to go 
and dance each night in one of the 
farmhouses in the neighborhood 

We started out in a group with a 
street-organ, generally played by Le 
Poittevin, the painter, with a cotton 
nightcap on his head. Two men carried 
lanterns. We followed in procession, 
laughing and chattering like a pack oi 
fools. 

We woke up the farmer and his ser&gt; 
vant-maids and laboring men. We got 
them to make onion-soup (horror), and 
we danced under the apple-trees, to the 
sound of the barrel-organ. The cocks 
waking up began to crow in the darkness 
of the outhouses ; the horses began pran- 
cing on the straw of their stables. The 
cool air of the country caressed our 
cheeks with the smell of grass and of 
new-mown hay. 

How long ago it is! How long ago 
it is. It is thirty years since then ! 

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Differs from all the allied species by the clear pale ochreous ground-colour; the white markings (except the central streak) are more suffused, the cilia clear white, and the hindwings paler, being quite white in female. In this and the allied species the central streak appears dark-margined in part, but the effect is illusory, and due to the presence of deep folds.

Very common round Christchurch in November, December, February and March, seemingly attached to the tussock-grass.

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''Female''.—26–80 mm. Head white, sides of crown dark brown. Maxillary palpi white, towards base externally brown. Labial palpi moderate, white, externally brown. Antennæ dark fuscous. Thorax dark ochreous-brown, on sides posteriorly paler and whitish-tinged, with a broad white central longitudinal stripe. Abdomen ochreous-whitish. Anterior and middle legs whitish-ochreous, beneath suffused with dark fuscous; posterior legs whitish. Forewings moderate, somewhat dilated, costa moderately arched, apex acute, hindmargin nearly straight, moderately oblique; dark brown, becoming ochreous towards the inner and hindmargins; a narrow silvery-white costal streak from base to apex, attenuated on basal half, posteriorly suffused, extreme costal edge sometimes brown about ⅔; a moderate nearly straight&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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However ill-constructed, ''Pickwick'', I imagine, was never found uninteresting. One may discourse about it in good set terms, pointing out that it belongs to a very old school of narrative, and indicating resemblances with no less a work than ''[[Don Quixote]]'',—Mr. Pickwick and Sam Weller being in some degree the antitypes of the Knight of La Mancha and Sancho. Intrigue there is none (save in the offices of Messrs. Dodson and Fogg). The thing is aimed at the reader's diaphragm, and, by ricochet, touches his heart. Lord Campbell declared that he would rather have written ''Pickwick'' than be Chief Justice of England; yet here we have simply the rambles and accidents and undignified escapades of certain Londoners, one of them accompanied by a manservant, whom he picked up as boots at an inn; we have a typical London landlady, a breach-of-promise case, and a debtors' prison. What unpromising material, in the year 1837, for&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A distinct species, immediately known by the dark brown ground-colour, and narrow silvery-white costal streak extending from base to apex. It is perhaps this species which Butler speaks of (Proc. Zool. Soc. Lond., 1877, 400) as ''lativittalis'', Walk.; the true ''lativittalis'' (which is a species of ''Thinasotia'', and most certainly does not occur in New Zealand) is superficially somewhat similar, but has the thorax wholly brown, and many other points of distinction.

Two specimens taken in a swamp near Hamilton in January.

{{c|10. ''Cr. apicellus'', [[Author:Philipp Christoph Zeller|Z.]]

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''Male''.—24–25 mm. Head snow-white, sides of crown ochreous-brown. Maxillary palpi white, towards base externally reddish-ochreous-brown. Labial palpi moderate, white, externally reddish-ochreous-brown. Antennæ dark fuscous. Thorax ochreous-brown, posteriorly on sides paler and whitish-tinged, with a broad central longitudinal white stripe. Abdomen whitish-ochreous. Legs whitish-ochreous, suffused with dark fuscous beneath. Forewings moderate, posteriorly dilated, costa gently-arched, apex rounded-acute, hindmargin rather oblique, distinctly sinuate; red-dish-ochreous-brown, much lighter towards inner margin; a slightly curved narrow white streak from costa before middle to costa a little before apex, enclosing a slender brownish-ochreous costal streak; a small triangular white spot on hindmargin above median streak; a moderate central longitudinal snow-white streak from base to hindmargin, rather attenuated at base, slightly sinuate in middle, and very slightly curved towards hind margin, lower edge somewhat irregular beyond middle; a whitish suffusion along inner margin from base to beyond middle, very narrow at base, posteriorly indistinct; three elongate ill-defined black dots on hindmargin beneath median streak; a fuscous hind-marginal line, bordering the white markings: cilia shining grey-whitish, at base white. Hindwings fuscous-grey, towards base suffused with whitish-ochreous; cilia whitish-ochreous.

A handsome species, very distinct by the peculiar form of the costal streak, and the sharply-defined small white triangular spot on hindmargin.

Occurs at Hamilton, Christchurch, and at the foot of Mount Hutt, frequenting swampy places in January.
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As in the ''Sketches'' we found the germ of all Dickens, so in this second book, not yet a novel, may we mark tendencies soon to have full development. The theme itself admitting no great variety of tone, we have the time-honoured device of episodic stories; one of them shows that melodramatic bent which was to be of such importance in future books; another, the tale of Gabriel Grub, gives, thus early, a hint of the Christmas fantasies which so greatly strengthened their author's hold on the popular admiration and love. The close gives us our first example of Dickens's resolute optimism. Everybody (or all but everybody) is to be made happy for ever after; knavish hearts are softened by gratitude, and those of the good beat high in satisfied benevolence. This is the kind of thing that delights the public, and lucky would be the public if it were often offered to them with a noble sincerity like that of Dickens.

With ''Oliver Twist'' we take up the tradition of English novel-writing; at once we are reminded of the old books in the library at Rochester. Scenes and people and tone are new, but the manner is that long ago established. As for construction, there is a little,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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EDMUND JENNINGS RANDOLPH


the use of the &quot;force of the union&quot; against a recalcitrant state nor the intervention of the federal government to suppress domestic violence (not involving opposition to federal law) within a state itself without an application from its legislature or governor. Moreover, the whole emphasis, embodied in the clause empowering Congress to &quot;provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrection, and repel invasions&quot; was on the use of the militia, not a &quot;standing army&quot; in such cases. And the militia clause, though subject to attack on the grounds that it granted too great federal control over the militia, was objectionable to the centralists because it did not give that power clearly or unequivocally.

Almost all the powers over domestic affairs granted to the federal government by the new Constitution were vested in the Congress, not the president, but the latter was to be commander in chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia when called into federal service to handle domestic disturbances as well as foreign wars. He was to &quot;take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref28&quot;/&gt; Coupled with the provision as it finally evolved—that the Constitution, the laws made under it, and the treaties duly ratified should be &quot;the supreme Law of the Land&quot;—there were implied powers here the extent of which only future practice and interpretation could determine.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref29&quot;/&gt;

That no power to use regular forces in domestic disorders was explicitly granted to either the president or Congress was testimony to the fear of standing armies that pervaded the meeting. Very near the end of the convention on 14 September 1787, George Mason, being sensible that an absolute prohibition of standing armies in time of peace might be unsafe, and wishing at the same time to insert something pointing out and guarding against the dangers of them, moved to preface the clause Article I, Section 8 &quot;To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the Militia &amp; c&quot; with the words &quot;And that the liberties of the people may be better secured against the danger of standing armies in time of peace.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref30&quot;/&gt; He got important support from Randolph and Madison from his own Virginia delegation, but Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania insisted that it would be &quot;setting a dishonorable mark of distinction on the military class of Citizens,&quot; and the motion was voted down eight states to two.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref31&quot;/&gt; The fact that this proposal was made illustrated how dangerous to the ratification of the Constitution it might have been if the framers had even suggested that standing armies


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref28&quot;&gt;Article II, Section 3.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref29&quot;&gt;Article VI.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref30&quot;&gt;Farrand, ''Records'', 2:616.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref31&quot;&gt;Ibid., pp. 616-17.&lt;/ref&gt;
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''Male, female''.—20–25 mm. Head white, a spot on face and posterior margins of eyes very pale greyish-ochreous. Maxillary palpi white, towards base externally greyish-ochreous. Labial palpi moderately long, white, externally greyish-ochreous or brownish-ochreous. Antennæ dark fuscous. Thorax white, more or less ochreous on sides. Abdomen ochreous-whitish, more ochreous towards base. Legs whitish, beneath suffused with dark fuscous. Forewings moderate, in female rather narrow, costa gently arched, apex rounded-acute, hindmargin nearly straight or very slightly sinuate, moderately oblique; greyish-ochreous or brown, darkest on costal half; sometimes irrorated with whitish scales towards inner margin and posterior half of costa; often a more or less distinct suffused white streak extending along more or less of posterior half of costa, broadest at ¾; a moderate nearly straight central longitudinal white streak, rather attenuated at base, extending to hindmargin, sometimes attenuated posteriorly, margins often irregular on posterior half, sometimes suffusedly margined with dark fuscous on basal half beneath and on posterior half above, often irregularly interrupted by the transverse lines; extremity of median streak produced upwards into a narrow white projection along hindmargin nearly to apex; sometimes two transverse darker lines or series of spots, more or less distinctly cutting median streak, first from middle of costa to ⅓ of inner margin, very acutely angulated above streak, second from ¾ of costa to before anal angle, less acutely angulated; inner margin sometimes white towards base; three or four tolerably distinct black dots on hindmargin below middle; a tolerably distinct slender dark fuscous hindmarginal line: cilia shining-grey or whitish-grey, with a somewhat darker basal line, three or four slender white bars on upper half, sometimes confluent at base, and another above anal angle. Hindwings whitish-fuscous-grey, paler towards base, darker at apex; cilia ochreous-grey-whitish.

This very common and very variable species, which may be regarded as the type of the New Zealand representatives of the genus, may in all its forms be sufficiently well distinguished from those with which it is most likely to be confused, by the white bars of the cilia, and the black hind marginal dots below median streak. It most approaches ''C. dicrenellus'' and ''C. flexuosellus'', differing further from the former in the white costal suffusion not extending towards base, and from the latter in the central position of the white streak, and the paler costal area.
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Prof. Zeller kindly forwarded to me his unpublished figures of the specimens from which his descriptions quoted above were taken, enabling me to decide that they were all truly referable to varieties of this species.

{{c|12. ''Cr. flexuosellus'', [[Author:Edward Doubleday|Dbld.]]

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''Male, Female''.—20–24 mm. Head and palpi rather dark ochreous-fuscous; labial palpi moderate, white beneath. Antennæ fuscous-grey. Thorax ochreous grey or light greyish-fuscous. Abdomen whitish-grey-ochreous. Legs whitish-ochreous, more or less wholly suffused with dark fuscous. Forewings moderate, somewhat dilated posteriorly, costa gently arched, very slightly sinuate in middle, apex obtuse, hindmargin little oblique, slightly sinuate; rather light greyish-fuscous, sprinkled with dark fuscous, costal space above white streak dark fuscous; a well-defined straight moderately broad longitudinal white streak above middle from base to hindmargin immediately beneath apex, upper edge very near costa on basal ⅖, thence twice sinuate to apex, lower edge twice irregularly dentate beyond middle; an indistinct dark spot on lower edge before middle, and a dark fuscous spot in first indentation, indicating first transverse line; second transverse line tolerably distinct, dark fuscous, closely but indistinctly dentate, from costa at ¾ to inner margin at ⅘, angulated outwards on lower edge of white streak, obsolete on costa, where it is often followed by a suffused ochreous mark; a slender dark fuscous hindmarginal line; three or four minute black dots on hindmargin below middle: cilia shining-grey, with a dark-grey line near base, and a white basal line on upper half, produced into a white bar at apex. Hindwings dull whitish-ochreous, apex fuscous-grey, hindmargin more or less suffused with light fuscous-grey; cilia whitish-ochreous, with two faint grey lines.

Very distinct by the ochreous-fuscous head and palpi, the position of the white streak above middle, and the dark fuscous costal space.

Occurs at Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin, and probably everywhere, abundantly from December to April.

{{c|13. ''Cr. tuhualis'', [[Author:Rudolf Felder|Feld.]]

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Prof. Zeller kindly forwarded to me his unpublished figures of the specimens from which his descriptions quoted above were taken, enabling me to decide that they were all truly referable to varieties of this species.

{{c|12. ''Cr. flexuosellus'', [[Author:Edward Doubleday|Dbld.]]

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''Male, Female''.—20–24 mm. Head and palpi rather dark ochreous-fuscous; labial palpi moderate, white beneath. Antennæ fuscous-grey. Thorax ochreous grey or light greyish-fuscous. Abdomen whitish-grey-ochreous. Legs whitish-ochreous, more or less wholly suffused with dark fuscous. Forewings moderate, somewhat dilated posteriorly, costa gently arched, very slightly sinuate in middle, apex obtuse, hindmargin little oblique, slightly sinuate; rather light greyish-fuscous, sprinkled with dark fuscous, costal space above white streak dark fuscous; a well-defined straight moderately broad longitudinal white streak above middle from base to hindmargin immediately beneath apex, upper edge very near costa on basal ⅖, thence twice sinuate to apex, lower edge twice irregularly dentate beyond middle; an indistinct dark spot on lower edge before middle, and a dark fuscous spot in first indentation, indicating first transverse line; second transverse line tolerably distinct, dark fuscous, closely but indistinctly dentate, from costa at ¾ to inner margin at ⅘, angulated outwards on lower edge of white streak, obsolete on costa, where it is often followed by a suffused ochreous mark; a slender dark fuscous hindmarginal line; three or four minute black dots on hindmargin below middle: cilia shining-grey, with a dark-grey line near base, and a white basal line on upper half, produced into a white bar at apex. Hindwings dull whitish-ochreous, apex fuscous-grey, hindmargin more or less suffused with light fuscous-grey; cilia whitish-ochreous, with two faint grey lines.

Very distinct by the ochreous-fuscous head and palpi, the position of the white streak above middle, and the dark fuscous costal space.

Occurs at Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin, and probably everywhere, abundantly from December to April.

{{c|13. ''Cr. tuhualis'', [[Author:Rudolf Felder|Feld.]]

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Allied to ''C. flexuosellus'', but differing widely in the white irroration and transverse lines, and the absence of a complete white longitudinal streak.

Common on the hills near Christchurch; also taken at Wellington, on the Kaikoura range, and in the Rakaia district; in February and March.

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Very variable, but very distinct by the narrow wings, grey colouring, and entire absence of white markings or longitudinal streak.

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Easily known from ''C. strigosus'' by the hook on the lower margin of the central streak, and the much narrower forewings.

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''Male''.—27–30 mm. Head, palpi, and thorax light greyish-ochreous, thorax sometimes mixed with blackish-fuscous; anterior margin of eyes very slenderly whitish; labial palpi moderately long, mixed with dark fuscous externally, beneath whitish at base. Antennæ fuscous-grey. Abdomen ochreous-whitish, apex more ochreous. Legs ochreous-grey-whitish, anterior and middle pair suffused above with dark fuscous. Forewings rather broad, considerably dilated posteriorly, costa gently arched, very faintly sinuate before middle, apex rounded, hindmargin oblique, strongly rounded; rather light brownish-grey, more brownish in disc, irregularly irrorated with black and white scales; veins posteriorly indistinctly lined with white scales; a short slender suffused blackish streak beneath costa at base; a straight thick longitudinal black streak beneath middle from base to middle of disc, much attenuated at base, lower edge suffused towards extremity; a short thick very oblique black streak in disc above extremity of basal streak, uniting with it to form a pointed hook; basal streak generally margined above by an ill-defined ochreous-white streak filling up the hook, sometimes suffusedly extending towards base almost to costa, sometimes almost obsolete; a very elongate-elliptical slender blackish ring in disc above middle, often partially obsolete; a blackish suffusion between branches of submedian vein at base; a strongly and regularly dentate outwards-curved slender blackish transverse line from ⅘ of costa to ⅘ of inner margin, sinuate beneath, posteriorly margined by a whitish suffusion; a row of distinct black dots on hindmargin: cilia whitish mixed with light grey, faintly barred. Hindwings grey-whitish, slightly suffused posteriorly with fuscous-grey; a cloudy grey line towards hindmargin below apex; hindmargin narrowly and suffusedly darker fuscous-grey; cilia grey-whitish.

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might be used to control domestic violence or to enforce federal law. &quot;With respect to a standing army,&quot; quoth Governor Edmund Randolph in the Virginia ratifying convention, &quot;I believe there was not a member of the federal Convention, who did not feel indignation at such an institution.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref32&quot;/&gt;


{{center|''The Ratification Debates''}}

In the great debate over ratification of the Constitution that raged in seventeen state conventions, pamphlets, and the public press in 1787-1788, the emphasis on the militia as the principal military arm of the proposed new government gave to its proponents a certain tactical advantage. They could allay fears of the power granted to Congress &quot;to raise and support armies&quot; by contending that any sizable standing army in peacetime, such as could be used to endanger the liberties of the people, would be rendered unnecessary as long as the federal government could rely on the militia. This argument was applied with particular vigor whenever the issue of the use of military force to execute federal law and suppress domestic insurrection was raised.

The opponents of ratification—or Antifederalists as they were called—were placed in the position of having to argue that the militia clauses of the Constitution carried within them the seeds of despotism by granting such a degree of federal control as to deprive the states of all effective power over their militias or to lead to a neglect that would inevitable produce their decay. In either case they charged that a standing army in peacetime, since Congress had virtually unrestricted power to raise and support one, would eventually usurp the functions prescribed for the militia. &quot;As it now stands,&quot; charged Luther Martin of Maryland, &quot;the Congress will have power, if they please, to march the whole militia of Maryland to the remotest part of the Union, and Keep them in service as long as they think proper, without being in any respect dependent upon the government of Maryland for this unlimited exercise of power over its citizens.&quot; It could continue them in service &quot;as long as it pleases, thereby subjecting... freemen... to martial law and reducing him to the situation of slaves.&quot; Possessing the exclusive powers by which the militia could be organized and armed, the federal government could by neglect render them &quot;useless and insignificant, when it suits the ambitious purpose of government.&quot; The government might &quot;improperly oppress and harass the militia, the better to reconcile them to the idea of regular troops, who might relieve them from the burthen.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref33&quot;/&gt;

Martin's arguments were echoed and elaborated on in the ratifying convention in the crucial state of Virginia by such giants as Patrick Henry and George Mason. When Delegate Charles Clay asked to be informed why Congress was to have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, James Madison put forth his best defense.


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref32&quot;&gt;Eliot, ''Debates'', 3:403.&lt;/ref&gt;

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might be used to control domestic violence or to enforce federal law. &quot;With respect to a standing army,&quot; quoth Governor Edmund Randolph in the Virginia ratifying convention, &quot;I believe there was not a member of the federal Convention, who did not feel indignation at such an institution.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref32&quot;/&gt;


{{center|''The Ratification Debates''}}

In the great debate over ratification of the Constitution that raged in seventeen state conventions, pamphlets, and the public press in 1787-1788, the emphasis on the militia as the principal military arm of the proposed new government gave to its proponents a certain tactical advantage. They could allay fears of the power granted to Congress &quot;to raise and support armies&quot; by contending that any sizable standing army in peacetime, such as could be used to endanger the liberties of the people, would be rendered unnecessary as long as the federal government could rely on the militia. This argument was applied with particular vigor whenever the issue of the use of military force to execute federal law and suppress domestic insurrection was raised.

The opponents of ratification—or Antifederalists as they were called—were placed in the position of having to argue that the militia clauses of the Constitution carried within them the seeds of despotism by granting such a degree of federal control as to deprive the states of all effective power over their militias or to lead to a neglect that would inevitable produce their decay. In either case they charged that a standing army in peacetime, since Congress had virtually unrestricted power to raise and support one, would eventually usurp the functions prescribed for the militia. &quot;As it now stands,&quot; charged Luther Martin of Maryland, &quot;the Congress will have power, if they please, to march the whole militia of Maryland to the remotest part of the Union, and Keep them in service as long as they think proper, without being in any respect dependent upon the government of Maryland for this unlimited exercise of power over its citizens.&quot; It could continue them in service &quot;as long as it pleases, thereby subjecting... freemen... to martial law and reducing him to the situation of slaves.&quot; Possessing the exclusive powers by which the militia could be organized and armed, the federal government could by neglect render them &quot;useless and insignificant, when it suits the ambitious purpose of government.&quot; The government might &quot;improperly oppress and harass the militia, the better to reconcile them to the idea of regular troops, who might relieve them from the burthen.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref33&quot;/&gt;

Martin's arguments were echoed and elaborated on in the ratifying convention in the crucial state of Virginia by such giants as Patrick Henry and George Mason. When Delegate Charles Clay asked to be informed why Congress was to have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, James Madison put forth his best defense.

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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref32&quot;&gt;Eliot, ''Debates'', 3:403.&lt;/ref&gt;

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In the great debate over ratification of the Constitution that raged in seventeen state conventions, pamphlets, and the public press in 1787-1788, the emphasis on the militia as the principal military arm of the proposed new government gave to its proponents a certain tactical advantage. They could allay fears of the power granted to Congress &quot;to raise and support armies&quot; by contending that any sizable standing army in peacetime, such as could be used to endanger the liberties of the people, would be rendered unnecessary as long as the federal government could rely on the militia. This argument was applied with particular vigor whenever the issue of the use of military force to execute federal law and suppress domestic insurrection was raised.

The opponents of ratification—or Antifederalists as they were called—were placed in the position of having to argue that the militia clauses of the Constitution carried within them the seeds of despotism by granting such a degree of federal control as to deprive the states of all effective power over their militias or to lead to a neglect that would inevitable produce their decay. In either case they charged that a standing army in peacetime, since Congress had virtually unrestricted power to raise and support one, would eventually usurp the functions prescribed for the militia. &quot;As it now stands,&quot; charged Luther Martin of Maryland, &quot;the Congress will have power, if they please, to march the whole militia of Maryland to the remotest part of the Union, and Keep them in service as long as they think proper, without being in any respect dependent upon the government of Maryland for this unlimited exercise of power over its citizens.&quot; It could continue them in service &quot;as long as it pleases, thereby subjecting... freemen... to martial law and reducing him to the situation of slaves.&quot; Possessing the exclusive powers by which the militia could be organized and armed, the federal government could by neglect render them &quot;useless and insignificant, when it suits the ambitious purpose of government.&quot; The government might &quot;improperly oppress and harass the militia, the better to reconcile them to the idea of regular troops, who might relieve them from the burthen.&quot;&lt;ref name=&quot;ref33&quot;/&gt;

Martin's arguments were echoed and elaborated on in the ratifying convention in the crucial state of Virginia by such giants as Patrick Henry and George Mason. When Delegate Charles Clay asked to be informed why Congress was to have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, James Madison put forth his best defense.

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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref32&quot;&gt;Eliot, ''Debates'', 3:403.&lt;/ref&gt;

&lt;ref name=&quot;ref33&quot;&gt;Farrand, ''Records'', 3:207, 285.&lt;/ref&gt;
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This first comprehensive classification of rocks may be called the Lehmann classification. It was based upon a structural analysis of the rocks in the order of their actual positions. The nomenclature is applied on the theory of relative order of formation.

Richard Kirwan (Geological Essays, London, 1799), claimed to be the first author to publish a general treatise on Geology in the English language. Although the book is written in a decidedly controversial spirit, the author appears to have had a thorough acquaintance with the various treatises in French, German, Latin and English, in which were expressed contemporaneous opinions regarding geological science. He was a Fellow of the Royal Societies of London and Edinburgh, member of the Royal Irish Academy, and of Academies in Stockholm, Upsala, Berin, Manchester and Philadelphia, and Inspector General of his majesty's mines in the Kingdom of Ireland. It is probable, therefore, that he presents a fair idea of the opinions which underlay the Lehmann classification. According to Kirwan's book the rocks were originally in a soft or liquid state, the center of the earth was supposed to be hollow, or the whole earth was a solid exterior crust with immense empty caverns within. The materials of the earth were then in a state of fusion or solution, and by condensation, as time progressed, the solids were crystallized out and deposited from the chaotic fluid. The water contracted the surface and lowered upon it by sinking into the interior cavities. With the deposition of the primitive rocks&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The species does not bear the slightest affinity or resemblance to ''Aphomia'', which differs widely in venation, belonging as it does to another family, and further has entirely different, very short, ascending palpi in the male, a character of which Butler, though describing a male, was evidently unaware.

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Lurline walked out and reached the scene of Gerald’s accident just in time to catch the twelfth installment of the biography of that coupe. As far as she could tell, not one of the adjectives used was flattering.

“Oh, you cut yourself!” she said as soon as she saw him. And in a moment her dainty linen handkerchief was twisted around Benda’s thumb.

“Gosh, I’ll bet you’ve got me down for no end of a sap,” he grumbled, when Lurline finished. With a gruff “Thanks” he was in his car, stepping on the starter.

“Gerald Benda,” said the girl, “you’re not going to run that tire like that, are you?” It was—well, it was another proof that he was probably embarrassed.

Again he was at work on the tire; but it was hard, for he was always conscious of the slender girl beside him, watching his bungling fingers. Funny, he had never noticed her before so much{{...|4}} different from Lollie Burlik and her group{{...}} talked as though she were not just dying to be tied to your apron strings{{...}} not nearly so heavily veneered with pretence{{...}}

And a gray head turned away from the window in the cottage. A smile lit a pair of old brown eyes, and Susan Marko’s lips opened in a laugh.

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When Lurline came in, she felt as if she had stepped into the house of the seven gables. She shrank from the chilly survey of two steel gray eyes, while in her heart she felt that this woman will hardly be her friend.

“So this is Miss Marko of whom you have talked so much, Gerald?” Mrs. Kolbasa said in her reinforced voice, “I’m so glad to know you. And this is my husband—Steve.”

In this wasted man of fifty, Lurline saw a fellow being. She squeezed his hand with a force that surprised him. But she was jerked from a brief vision of herself as this man’s friend to face the cold fact of another’s existence.

“I’m sorry, but I have promised Lollie Burlik I’d be over. Gerald will take me.” It was the Hottentot speaking.

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“The unicorn,” thought Lurline, It completed Mrs. Kolbasa’s formidable uniform.

There was a tenseness in the atmosphere. Neither Steve nor the girl beside him dared to move. And as the latter shot a glance toward the doorway, she perceived Gerald, motionless, his eyes fixed on the floor.

With an effort Lurline found her voice.

“Gerald, you’re not going to—Lollie’s are you?”

A shadow passed between her and the door, and the Hottentot spoke as she went out.

“Tell Mr. Bruce of Swanhill that I ordered that maple from another firm, Steve.”

And Gerald went out after the voice.

Lurline’s eyes were blinded with tears of humiliation. Her firm little chin quivered, and her lower lip sought refuge within the grip of her even teeth.

She felt Steve’s arm around her, and turned to “cry it out” on his shoulder.

“That’s nothing, baby, she’s always like that,” he said.

“Always?”

He smiled. No one had ever been sincerely complimentary to his capable, eccentric wife. He was used to it.

“Yes, since I married her. But once she was a little girl—a girl like you, only always more practical. I’ve even seen her cry once.”

“Oh—When?”

“It happened once when Gertie—we called her Gertie then—had her heart set on seeing her aunt in Minnesota. You see, Gertie lived in Illinois before we were married. The aunt had been a trained nurse in her younger days, and she had taken care of Gertie when she had the smallpox.”

“Oh—Did she ever have the smallpox?” asked Lurline, as if she doubted Mrs. Kolbasa’s capacity for any human disease.

“She nearly died. Aunt Sue pulled her through, and they became friends. But aunt Sue was taboo for Gertie. You see she was mother-in-law’s only sister, and she had married a man that mother-in-law had taken a fancy to. So Gertie’s mother made it hot for Sue until she left. Sue had one son, hardly a month old, when her husband died. Years later, when Sue’s son married, Sue turned back to the profession of nursing. She took care of cases in the pesthouse when Gertie took sick and was taken there, Those were the days when Gertie’s pennies were few and far between. Sue and she made friends, though there was a difference of twenty-five years or so between them, and Sue invited Gertie to visit at her home. Gertie got well, and returned to her mother. When she told her she wanted to go to Sue’s, there was civil war. I lived next door, so I know. Gertie was put out something awful. She came to our&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“Gerald, you’re not going to—Lollie’s are you?”

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“Always?”

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Is it a marriage? perfect?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Yes, my brain.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Off with your ruff and cloak then; be yourself, sir.

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{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And my captain Face?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}These day owls.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}That are birding in men's purses.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam suppository.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Doxy, my suster.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Locusts
Of the foul pit.

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Profane as Bel and the dragon.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Worse than the grasshoppers, or the lice of Egypt.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Yes, my brain.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Off with your ruff and cloak then; be yourself, sir.

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{{em}}''Love''. [''opening the door''.]{{em}}Hold,
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&lt;&gt;{{sc|Mammon, Surly, Kastril, Ananias, Tribulation}}, ''and'' Officers ''rush in''.

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{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And my captain Face?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}These day owls.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}That are birding in men's purses.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam suppository.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Doxy, my suster.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Locusts
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{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Profane as Bel and the dragon.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Worse than the grasshoppers, or the lice of Egypt.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Sir, have you done?
Is it a marriage? perfect?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Yes, my brain.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Off with your ruff and cloak then; be yourself, sir.

{{em}}''Sur''. [''without''.]{{em}}Down with the door.

{{em}}''Kas''. [''without''.]{{em}}'Slight, ding it open.&lt;ref&gt;{{'}}''Slight'', ding ''it open''.] ''Break'' it open. Ding (from the A. S. to force, beat down, &amp;c.) was once common amongst us. Thus in the ''[[The Spanish Tragedie|Spanish Tragedy]]:''

{{c|&quot;[[The Spanish Tragedie/Act 1#WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182|He paunch'd his horse, and ''dinged'' him to the ground.]]&quot;}}

And in the first part of ''[[The First Part of the True and Honorable Historie of the Life of Sir John Oldcastle|Sir John Oldcastle]];'' &quot;[[The First Part of the True and Honorable Historie of the Life of Sir John Oldcastle/Act 3#WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182|For the credit of Dunstable, ''ding'' down the enemy, to morrow.]]&quot; A. iii. sc. 2. The word still obtains in some of our remote provinces. In Scotland it is in daily use.&lt;/ref&gt;

{{em}}''Love''. [''opening the door''.]{{em}}Hold,
Hold, gentlemen, what means this violence?

&lt;&gt;{{sc|Mammon, Surly, Kastril, Ananias, Tribulation}}, ''and'' Officers ''rush in''.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Where is this collier?

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And my captain Face?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}These day owls.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}That are birding in men's purses.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam suppository.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Doxy, my suster.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Locusts
Of the foul pit.

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Profane as Bel and the dragon.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Worse than the grasshoppers, or the lice of Egypt.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Sir, have you done?
Is it a marriage? perfect?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Yes, my brain.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Off with your ruff and cloak then; be yourself, sir.

{{em}}''Sur''. [''without''.]{{em}}Down with the door.

{{em}}''Kas''. [''without''.]{{em}}'Slight, ding it open.&lt;ref&gt;{{'}}''Slight'', ding ''it open''.] ''Break'' it open. Ding (from the A. S. to force, beat down, &amp;c.) was once common amongst us. Thus in the ''[[The Spanish Tragedie|Spanish Tragedy]]:''

{{c|&quot;[[The Spanish Tragedie/Act 1#WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182|He paunch'd his horse, and ''dinged'' him to the ground.]]&quot;}}

And in the first part of ''[[The First Part of the True and Honorable Historie of the Life of Sir John Oldcastle|Sir John Oldcastle]];'' &quot;[[The First Part of the True and Honorable Historie of the Life of Sir John Oldcastle/Act 3#WorksJonsonv4Alchemistp182|For the credit of Dunstable, ''ding'' down the enemy, to morrow.]]&quot; A. iii. sc. 2. The word still obtains in some of our remote provinces. In Scotland it is in daily use.&lt;/ref&gt;

{{em}}''Love''. [''opening the door''.]{{em}}Hold,
Hold, gentlemen, what means this violence?

&lt;&gt;{{sc|Mammon, Surly, Kastril, Ananias, Tribulation}}, ''and'' Officers ''rush in''.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Where is this collier?

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And my captain Face?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}These day owls.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}That are birding in men's purses.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam suppository.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Doxy, my suster.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Locusts
Of the foul pit.

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Profane as Bel and the dragon.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Worse than the grasshoppers, or the lice of Egypt.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <comment>/* Not proofread */ Created page with &quot;ask him about his health! Baron—[''Stops suddenly, startled.'' {{sc|Briquet}} ''is staggering in like a drunken man, his hand over his eyes''.]  {{c|{{sc|He}}}}  [''Goes to him, touches his shoulder gently'']: What is the matter, Papa Briquet? Tell me!  {{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}  [''Groaning'']: Oh, oh, I can't {{...}} I can't {{...}} Ah—  {{c|{{sc|He}}}}  Something has happened? You are ill? Please speak.  {{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}  I can't look at it! [''Takes h...</comment>
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{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

[''Goes to him, touches his shoulder gently'']: What is the matter, Papa Briquet? Tell me!

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

[''Groaning'']: Oh, oh, I can't {{...}} I can't {{...}} Ah—

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Something has happened? You are ill? Please speak.

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

I can't look at it! [''Takes his hands from his eyes opens them wide''.], Why does she do it? Ah, ah, why does she do it? She must be taken away; she is insane. I couldn't look at it. [''Shivers''.] They will tear her to pieces. {{sc|He}}—her lions—they will tear her—

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{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

[''Goes to him, touches his shoulder gently'']: What is the matter, Papa Briquet? Tell me!

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

[''Groaning'']: Oh, oh, I can't {{...}} I can't {{...}} Ah—

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Something has happened? You are ill? Please speak.

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

I can't look at it! [''Takes his hands from his eyes opens them wide''.], Why does she do it? Ah, ah, why does she do it? She must be taken away; she is insane. I couldn't look at it. [''Shivers''.] They will tear her to pieces. {{sc|He}}—her lions—they will tear her—

{{c|{{sc|Mancini}}}}

Go on, Briquet. She is always like that. You act like a child. You ought to be ashamed.
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{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

[''Goes to him, touches his shoulder gently'']: What is the matter, Papa Briquet? Tell me!

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

[''Groaning'']: Oh, oh, I can’t {{...}} I can’t {{...}} Ah—

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Something has happened? You are ill? Please speak.

{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

I can’t look at it! [''Takes his hands from his eyes opens them wide''.], Why does she do it? Ah, ah, why does she do it? She must be taken away; she is insane. I couldn’t look at it. [''Shivers''.] They will tear her to pieces. {{sc|He}}—her lions—they will tear her—

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Go on, Briquet. She is always like that. You act like a child. You ought to be ashamed.
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{{c|{{sc|Briquet}}}}

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{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Forget Bezano! Consuelo, do you know who can save you? The only one who can save you? I.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughing'']: You, {{sc|He}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Yes, but don’t laugh! Look. Here is the letter H. It is I, {{sc|He}}.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

{{sc|He}} Who Gets Slapped? Is that written here, too?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

That, too. The stars know everything. But look here, what more is written about him. Consuelo, welcome him. He is an old god in disguise, who came down to earth only to love you, foolish little Consuelo.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughing and singing'']: Some god!
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{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

Forget Bezano! Consuelo, do you know who can save you? The only one who can save you? I.

{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughing'']: You, {{sc|He}}?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

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{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

{{sc|He}} Who Gets Slapped? Is that written here, too?

{{c|{{sc|He}}}}

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{{c|{{sc|Consuelo}}}}

[''Laughing and singing'']: Some god!
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      <text bytes="2836" sha1="1mfcez3p10v78kuxsrvmtsf14ozuuak" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Jan.Kamenicek&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|10|{{lsp|0.25em|STUDENT LIF|E}}}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;house and sat on our couch. When I came from work that night, I found her there. Dad said he didn’t know what to do with her. Well, I always did like her, so I went over to her and took her in my arms. Her grey eyes were hard as bayonet-points. But when I kissed her, she kind of choked and began to cry. {{...|3|—}} Four years later I married her.”

Lurline was thrilled with the strange romance. “And Aunt Sue?” she questioned.

“Gertie heard she had moved a few times, and that her son and his wife died of some popular epidemie. I suppose she followed them.”

“Oh.”

After some time Lurline arose to go and accepted Steve’s offer to escort her home.

“Only I wish—Gerald wouldn’t mind her so,” pouted Lurline.

“My dear little girl, there is  something good in the worst of us, and Gerald has a way of seeing it, once he knows a person.”

“But there’s nothing good in the Hottentot!”

It was too late to call that back, But Steve’s good humor was unruffled. Perhaps in his heart, he, too, had often called his wife by some similar name.

“Plenty of good—only it’s choked out. If Gertie had a husband that she would have to go after, she’d be all right. It’s me that has always done the going after in our family.”

They turned the last corner.

Presently a snug coupe drew up beside them, and Gerald Benda jumped out.

“For heaven’s sake, where’s Auntie?” he hurled the question at the pedestrians.

“Gertie? I thought she went to Lollie Burlik’s,” said Steve.

“No{{...|4}} we had an awful spat over Lollie, and I said I wouldn’t go there. So she ordered me to drop her off at this corner and call here in half an hour {{...|3|—}} she’d be waiting. Well, she isn’t.”

Lurline’s heart beat faster. Gerald had an awful spat over Lollie, said he wouldn’t go there. And it was known that she was his “girl” when they were seniors.

“Something’s wrong, Steve,” Gerald addressed his uncle, “Auntie’s never piked a date yet. Let’s see at Burlik’s.”

When they stopped in front of Lollie’s house, they saw that the garage was empty. Lollie was out. Of course, the only thing left to do was to take Lurline home across the street. This was done, and as the car stopped, Gerald alighted to go with Lurline to the house. Steve sat in the car, dreaming{{...|6}}

“Lurline{{...}}” began Gerald, as they paused on the walk.

“Yes, Gerald.”

“Then it’s really and truly ‘Yes’?”

“Oh, Gerald!” There was a note of distress in her voice, which Gerald caught.

“Aw, you’ll like Auntie after a while. She’s never had a chance to understand kids like us. She had a hard mother.”

They were at the door. Lurline twisted it open silently and they entered the cozily carpeted hall.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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      <text bytes="1343" sha1="qmo9ekegjzjnaysmuqoc4kgmdns6d1l" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;Chrisguise&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|183|THE ALCHEMIST.}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{ppoem|start=follow|end=follow|{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Good gentlemen, hear me. Are you officers,
And cannot stay this violence?

{{em}}1 ''Offi''.{{em}}Keep the peace.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Gentlemen, what is the matter? whom do you seek?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}The chemical cozener.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And the captain pander.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}The nun my suster.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam Rabbi.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Scorpions,
And caterpillars.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Fewer at once, I pray you.

{{em}}2 ''Offi''.{{em}}One after another, gentlemen, I charge you,
By virtue of my staff.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}They are the vessels
Of pride, lust, and the cart.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Good zeal, lie still
A little while.

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Peace, deacon Ananias.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}The house is mine here, and the doors are open;
If there be any such persons as you seek for,
Use your authority, search on o' God's name.
I am but newly come to town, and finding
This tumult 'bout my door, to tell you true,
It somewhat mazed me; till my man, here, fearing
My more displeasure, told me he had done
Somewhat an insolent part, let out my house
(Belike, presuming on my known aversion
From any air o' the town while there was sickness,)
To a doctor and a captain: who, what they are
Or where they be, he knows not.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And cannot stay this violence?

{{em}}1 ''Offi''.{{em}}Keep the peace.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Gentlemen, what is the matter? whom do you seek?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}The chemical cozener.

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}And the captain pander.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}The nun my suster.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Madam Rabbi.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Scorpions,
And caterpillars.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Fewer at once, I pray you.

{{em}}2 ''Offi''.{{em}}One after another, gentlemen, I charge you,
By virtue of my staff.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}They are the vessels
Of pride, lust, and the cart.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Good zeal, lie still
A little while.

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Peace, deacon Ananias.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}The house is mine here, and the doors are open;
If there be any such persons as you seek for,
Use your authority, search on o' God's name.
I am but newly come to town, and finding
This tumult 'bout my door, to tell you true,
It somewhat mazed me; till my man, here, fearing
My more displeasure, told me he had done
Somewhat an insolent part, let out my house
(Belike, presuming on my known aversion
From any air o' the town while there was sickness,)
To a doctor and a captain: who, what they are
Or where they be, he knows not.}}&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You may go in and search, sir. [''Mammon, Ana. and Trib. go in''.] Here, I find
The empty walls worse than I left them, smoak'd,
A few crack'd pots, and glasses, and a furnace;
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Good faith, now, she does blame you extremely, and says
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Well fare an old harquebuzier, yet,
Could prime his powder, and give fire, and hit,
All in a twinkling!

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{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}What sort of birds were they?

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Then “Sh!” she whispered, “Aunt Sue has company. I’ll bet it’s Mrs. Heinl from next door. I’ll surprise ’em. They’re in the kitchen, having tea as usual. Come close behind me, Gerald.”

They tiptoed swiftly to the kitchen door and looked in.

And there, in Sue’s unspotted kitchen, murmuring softly over their cups of tea, sat Aunt Sue and—the Hottentot! There she was, unicorn and all; and what was more, the Hottentot looked as if she had been crying.

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“I—I thought it was Mrs. Heinl—” began Lurline.

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Aunt Sue spoke next. “Probably you children don’t know she is my only niece,” said she. But Lurline knew. And for her Sue’s tale was merely a repetition of known facts. When Sue had finished, the Hottentot rose to go.

“You’re not going, are you, Cousin?” stammered Lurline.

“Yes, dear, for I don’t know how Steve fared with Mr. Bruce,” again it was the softer voice.

“Oh, Auntie—Steve’s out in my car. I forgot.” And the Hottentot laughed such a merry laugh that the rest had to join in.

“And Auntie Sue,” she called from the door, “I’ll send the car for Gerald at seven, but I don’t care when he comes in. And some day after the wedding I’ll come and pay you that longed-for visit.”

Gerald’s coupe served another master that day.

When the Markos and Gerald were at supper, Susan was asked how she ever got “that” across to the Hottentot.

“I knew all my life I was her aunt, only her mother forbade me to ever own up to that. When Gertie came here today, all I did was to say, ‘Hello, Gertie, how’s my little patient’?”

And when Susan Marko went to answer a telephone call from “some pesky agent or other” a minute later, Gerald said:

“Well, Lurline, all we’ve got to do is get engaged.”

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That lie in the cellar, which I am glad they have left,
I may have home yet.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Think you so, sir?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Ay.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}By order of law, sir, but not otherwise.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Not mine own stuff!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Sir, I can take no knowledge
That they are yours, but by public means.
If you can bring certificate that you were gull'd of them,
Or any formal writ out of a court,
That you did cozen your self, I will not hold them.

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}I'll rather lose them.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}That you shall not, sir,
By me, in troth: upon these terms, they are yours.
What, should they have been, sir, turn'd into gold, all?

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}No,
I cannot tell—It may be they should—What then?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}What a great loss in hope have you sustain'd!

{{em}}''Mam''.{{em}}Not I, the common-wealth has.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Ay, he would have built
The city new;&lt;ref&gt;{{bar|6}}''he would have built''&lt;br/&gt;{{em}}''The city new;'' &amp;c.] Norton amuses himself, in a similar manner, with the magnificent schemes of a country curate, the Mammon of his times:{{pbr}}{{ppoem|start=open|end=close|&quot;And first, he would set up in hight,
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&quot;A glorious thing for men to beholde—
&quot;At the last, he thought to make the lighte
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That, every Sunday, in Moor-fields, the younkers,
And tits and tom-boys should have fed on, gratis.

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The end of the world, within these two months. Surly,
What! in a dream?

{{em}}''Sur''.{{em}}Must I needs cheat my self,
With that same foolish vice of honesty!
Come, let us go and hearken out the rogues:
That Face I'll mark for mine, if e'er I meet him.

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{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}'Tis well, the saints shall not lose all yet. Go,
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{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}For what, my zealous friends?

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}To bear away the portion of the righteous
Out of this den of thieves.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}What is that portion?

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}The goods sometimes the orphans', that the brethren
Bought with their silver pence.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}What, those in the cellar,
The knight sir Mammon claims?

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}I do defy
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Thou canst advance that idol against us,
That have the seal? were not the shillings number'd,
That made the pounds; were not the pounds told out,
Upon the second day of the fourth week,
In the eighth month, upon the table dormant,
The year of the last patience of the saints,
Six hundred and ten?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Mine earnest vehement botcher,
And deacon also, I cannot dispute with you:
But if you get you not away the sooner,
I shall confute you with a cudgel.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Sir!

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Be patient, Ananias.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}I am strong,
And will stand up, well girt, against an host,
That threaten Gad in exile.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}I shall send you
To Amsterdam, to your cellar.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}I will pray there,
Against thy house: may dogs defile thy walls,
And wasps and hornets breed beneath thy roof,
This seat of falshood, and this cave of cozenage!
{{rbstagedir|Exeunt {{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}and Trib.}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Drugger}}.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Another too?

{{em}}''Drug''.{{em}}Not I, sir, I am no brother.

{{em}}''Love''. [''beats him''.]{{em}}Away, you Harry Nicholas!&lt;ref name=&quot;p187&quot;&gt;''Away, you Harry Nicholas!''] A native of Leyden, commonly supposed to be the founder of that turbulent and&lt;/ref&gt; do you talk?
{{rbstagedir|Exit Drug.}}}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Thou canst advance that idol against us,
That have the seal? were not the shillings number'd,
That made the pounds; were not the pounds told out,
Upon the second day of the fourth week,
In the eighth month, upon the table dormant,
The year of the last patience of the saints,
Six hundred and ten?

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Mine earnest vehement botcher,
And deacon also, I cannot dispute with you:
But if you get you not away the sooner,
I shall confute you with a cudgel.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}Sir!

{{em}}''Tri''.{{em}}Be patient, Ananias.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}I am strong,
And will stand up, well girt, against an host,
That threaten Gad in exile.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}I shall send you
To Amsterdam, to your cellar.

{{em}}''Ana''.{{em}}I will pray there,
Against thy house: may dogs defile thy walls,
And wasps and hornets breed beneath thy roof,
This seat of falshood, and this cave of cozenage!
{{rbstagedir|Exeunt Ana. and Trib.}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Drugger}}.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Another too?

{{em}}''Drug''.{{em}}Not I, sir, I am no brother.

{{em}}''Love''. [''beats him''.]{{em}}Away, you Harry Nicholas!&lt;ref name=&quot;p187&quot;&gt;''Away, you Harry Nicholas!''] A native of Leyden, commonly supposed to be the founder of that turbulent and&lt;/ref&gt; do you talk?
{{rbstagedir|Exit Drug.}}}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The British Government now began to think that the time had come to introduce some element of order into its relations with China, instead of leaving everything in the hands of a company whose powers were limited to remonstrance and deportation. In 1792 the Earl of Macartney, with a numerous suite and a costly array of presents, was sent as ambassador to the Chinese Court. From the Government of the Middle Kingdom he received a brilliant welcome. They spent $850,000 on his entertainment; he walked in &quot;the magnificent garden of the Son of Heaven,&quot; made a romantic voyage down the Grand Canal, and carried away a vivid impression of the grandeur and extent of the Chinese Empire. But he did no business. The Chinese took clever care that his embassy should retain the unimpaired attributes of tribute-bearing. Any discussion of affairs would have been inconsistent with that character; therefore the whole time was devoted to interchanges of courtesy. But the Earl received a letter for his sovereign in which the latter was informed by the now aged Emperor Chienlung that British commerce must be strictly limited to Canton. &quot;You will not be able to complain that I have not clearly forewarned you. Let us therefore live in peace and friendship, and do not make light of&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|207}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Lord Macartney's mission had a consequence which, although removed from its cause by an interval of twenty-one years, should be remembered incidentally. A Chinese official named Sung having shown much civility to the mission, and having subsequently won many warm friends among the English during his tenure of the Canton viceroyalty, it was decided to send him from England a letter and some valuable presents, &quot;as an acknowledgment of past good offices and an earnest of future ones.&quot; Sung, then a member of the Grand Council in Peking, accepted the presents, but when the fact became known to his Government, it degraded him and returned the gifts. If an English official in Sung's position had accepted presents from for-&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|208}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Dear, dear, you are cold! Poor little hands, dear good one, beloved one{{longdash}}

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Dear, dear, you are cold! Poor little hands, dear good one, beloved one{{longdash}}

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{{sm|By [[Author:William Darius Jamieson|W. D. Jamieson]], Former Iowa Congressman.}}}}
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{{di|W|image=Initial W in Czecho-Slovak Student Life.jpg|imgsize=40px}}HEN VISCOUNT [[Author:Harold Sidney Harmsworth|Rothermere]], the great London newspaper man, owner of London Mail, Tory sympathizer, thinks he can connect up with the great mass of the American people by having his article published in 77 of the leading papers of this country, attacking that wonderful republic in Central Europe, Czechoslovakia (I spelled that name by memory without looking it up), and get away with that sort of stuff with our people, he’s simply connected with the wrong party.

That’s exactly what he attempted a few days ago. In this article he sympathizes with Hungary, and wants Czechoslovakia to give part of their territory over to Hungary. This shows that the Tory gang, the special interest gang in England is fighting against the people of a real republic in Europe just like the Tory gang, the special interest gang in this country is fighting and oppressing the mass of the people, the foundation stone of the republic. It’s the same thing the world over, and all down through the ages—the special interest crowd, the gang that opposes the theory of “thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself,” crucified Jesus Christ, murdered St. Paul, and hounded [[Author:Thomas Woodrow Wilson|Woodrow Wilson]] to death. Czechoslovakia, don’t you ever worry for one minute—we’re for you, and we’re proud of the progress you’re making as the shining example of a republic in central Europe; we’re not going to be fooled by what this London Tory editor writes.

We don’t want war; we want peace. But that Hungary crowd, those Magyars, are a bad lot. They tyrannize over their own minorities, they were more responsible for the war than any other European nation, and they are today the powder magazine of Europe. They want trouble and war, because they realize that’s the only way they stand any chance at all of grabbing off more territory and power. Luckily there are only eight million of them, and they are hemmed in all around so that they are helpless. God help Europe if there were 100 million of them. Formerly Asiatics, they are aggressive, haughty, and think themselves superior. Exactly the kind of people we don’t want to have anything to do with.

Then to think the aristocrats of Hungary could get hooked up with the aristocrats of England so closely that this Tory writer would not only publish this pack of untrue and unfair stuff in his own great paper in London, but he would have the nerve to get it published in so many of our big papers over here. The amazing thing is that our papers would publish it. I am telling about this marked incident of Tory propaganda against the integrity of Czechoslovakia just to call attention again to the fact that the forces of democracy, whether they be at home or abroad, have to exercise eternal vigilance to maintain their rights.
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And satisfy him; tell him all is done:
He staid too long a washing of his face.
The doctor, he shall hear of him at West-chester;
And of the captain, tell him, at Yarmouth, or
Some good port town else, lying for a wind.
{{rbstagedir|Exit Parson.}}
If you can get off the angry child, now, sir{{longdash}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Kastril}} ''dragging in his sister''.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Come on, you ewe, you have match'd most sweetly, have you not?
Did not I say, I would never have you tupp'd
But by a dubb'd boy, to make you a lady-tom?
'Slight, you are a mammet! O, I could touse you, now.
Death, mun' you marry, with a pox!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You lie, boy;
As sound as you; and I'm aforehand with you.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Anon!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Come, will you quarrel? I will feize you, sirrah;&lt;ref name=&quot;p188&quot;&gt;''I will feize you, sirrah;''] &quot;I'll ''drive'' you: the word is com-&lt;/ref&gt;
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{{rbstagedir|To the Parson.}}
And satisfy him; tell him all is done:
He staid too long a washing of his face.
The doctor, he shall hear of him at West-chester;
And of the captain, tell him, at Yarmouth, or
Some good port town else, lying for a wind.
{{rbstagedir|Exit Parson.}}
If you can get off the angry child, now, sir{{longdash}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Kastril}} ''dragging in his sister''.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Come on, you ewe, you have match'd most sweetly, have you not?
Did not I say, I would never have you tupp'd
But by a dubb'd boy, to make you a lady-tom?
'Slight, you are a mammet! O, I could touse you, now.
Death, mun' you marry, with a pox!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You lie, boy;
As sound as you; and I'm aforehand with you.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Anon!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Come, will you quarrel? I will feize you, sirrah;&lt;ref name=&quot;p188&quot;&gt;''I will feize you, sirrah;''] &quot;I'll ''drive'' you: the word is com-&lt;/ref&gt;
Why do you not buckle to your tools?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And satisfy him; tell him all is done:
He staid too long a washing of his face.
The doctor, he shall hear of him at West-chester;
And of the captain, tell him, at Yarmouth, or
Some good port town else, lying for a wind.
{{rbstagedir|Exit Parson.}}
If you can get off the angry child, now, sir{{longdash}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Kastril}} ''dragging in his sister''.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Come on, you ewe, you have match'd most sweetly, have you not?
Did not I say, I would never have you tupp'd
But by a dubb'd boy, to make you a lady-tom?
'Slight, you are a mammet! O, I could touse you, now.
Death, mun' you marry, with a pox!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You lie, boy;
As sound as you; and I'm aforehand with you.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Anon!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Come, will you quarrel? I will feize you, sirrah;&lt;ref name=&quot;p188&quot;&gt;''I will feize you, sirrah;''] &quot;I'll ''drive'' you: the word is com-&lt;/ref&gt;
Why do you not buckle to your tools?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And satisfy him; tell him all is done:
He staid too long a washing of his face.
The doctor, he shall hear of him at West-chester;
And of the captain, tell him, at Yarmouth, or
Some good port town else, lying for a wind.
{{rbstagedir|Exit Parson.}}
If you can get off the angry child, now, sir{{longdash}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Kastril}} ''dragging in his sister''.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Come on, you ewe, you have match'd most sweetly, have you not?
Did not I say, I would never have you tupp'd
But by a dubb'd boy, to make you a lady-tom?
'Slight, you are a mammet! O, I could touse you, now.
Death, mun' you marry, with a pox!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You lie, boy;
As sound as you; and I'm aforehand with you.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Anon!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Come, will you quarrel? I will feize you, sirrah;&lt;ref name=&quot;p188&quot;&gt;''I will feize you, sirrah;''] &quot;I'll ''drive'' you: the word is {{hws|com|common}}&lt;/ref&gt;
Why do you not buckle to your tools?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And satisfy him; tell him all is done:
He staid too long a washing of his face.
The doctor, he shall hear of him at West-chester;
And of the captain, tell him, at Yarmouth, or
Some good port town else, lying for a wind.
{{rbstagedir|Exit Parson.}}
If you can get off the angry child, now, sir{{longdash}}

&lt;&gt;''Enter'' {{sc|Kastril}} ''dragging in his sister''.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Come on, you ewe, you have match'd most sweetly, have you not?
Did not I say, I would never have you tupp'd
But by a dubb'd boy, to make you a lady-tom?
'Slight, you are a mammet! O, I could touse you, now.
Death, mun' you marry, with a pox!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}You lie, boy;
As sound as you; and I'm aforehand with you.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Anon!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Come, will you quarrel? I will feize you, sirrah;&lt;ref name=&quot;p188&quot;&gt;''I will feize you, sirrah;''] &quot;I'll ''drive'' you: the word is {{hws|com|common}}&lt;/ref&gt;
Why do you not buckle to your tools?}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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    <title>Page:Czecho-Slovak Student Life, Volume 18.djvu/19</title>
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s2&quot; /&gt;{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-bottom:1em|{{larger|'''READ DR. HANUS’ BOOK ON THE EUCHARISTIC CONGRESS IN CHICAGO.'''}}}}
We have received an interesting letter from the Rt. Rev. Dr. D. Hanus, chancellor in Prague, Czechoslovakia, in which he praises the Student Life Magazine, every copy of which, he says, makes him feel again the springtime of his life. He has also sent us copies of his book, called “The Eucharistic Congress in Chicago”, written by himself and Senator Myslivec, both of whom attended the Congress in Chicago in 1926. We have found the book, which contains 126 pages with numerous illustrations, highly interesting because, among other things, it gives the authors’ experiences and impressions of our Catholic Czech life, of our parishes, and our organizations. One of the chapters deals with the visit of the Czechoslovak delegates to the Lisle Institutions. Dr. Hanus informs us that the price of the book is 5 Crowns, or in American money 20c—25c by mail. Copies can be ordered from the Bohemian Benedictine Press, 1641 Allport Str., Chicago, or the American Alliance of Catholic Czechs, 3207 W. 22nd Str., Chicago, Ill., or from us.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-bottom:1em|{{larger|'''SLOVAK HOLIDAYS.'''}}}}
Slovak Days have been very successful in Pennsylvania this summer. Twenty thousand Slovaks from Luzerne and Lackawanna Counties celebrated their Fifth Slovak Day on the Fourth of July in Sans Souci Park near Nanticoke, while 40,000 to 50,000 Slovaks gathered in one of the Pittsburg parks on July seventh. {{lang|sk|Jaro}}, the English supplement of a Slovak paper, says of these undertakings: “Continued success of these Slovak Days will completely remove some of the flimsy excuses of our younger folk who fear to proclaim their Slovak origin on the ground that the American public does not know what a Slovak is.”&lt;section end=&quot;s3&quot; /&gt;&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The next important advance in the classification of rocks was started by Werner and his pupils. It was a classification based upon the mineral constitution of the rocks. As the study of geology advanced Lehmann's classification was found difficult to apply with precision, and it was found to be unnatural in that rocks of apparently similar kind were dissociated, while rocks of unlike character were brought into the same class. And the mineral character and composition of rocks was found to be an accurate means of defining them. As the mineral characters became clearly understood, the rock masses received their names from the chief minerals in them, and finally the mineral nomenclature entirely superseded the nomenclature of Lehmann, and a second classification arose in which the theory of the original order of formation of the rocks gave place to the actual sequence of mineral aggregates, one after another, in examined sections of the earth's crust. In this study of minerals Werner was a conspicuous leader, and the classifications at the beginning of the present century were mainly his or adaptations of them. The form which the geological scale assumed in English geological systems is seen in typical form in Conybeare and Phillip's Geology of England and Wales, 1822.

Arranged in order from above downwards, it is as follows:
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* {{roman|1}}. ''Superior order.'' ({{lang|de|Neues Floetzgebirge}}, of Werner).
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| colspan=3 | '''Output (pre-war roubles)'''
|-
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|-
| 1923 || {{. . .|15}} || 27,393,315
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| colspan=4 | '''Number of Workers'''
|-
| || 1913 || {{. . .|15}} | 11,634
|-
| Jan. 1, || 1923 || {{. . .|15}} || 9,401
|-
| {{ditto|Jan.}} {{ditto|1,}} || 1924 || {{. . .|15}} || 7,991
|-
| {{ditto|Jan.}} {{ditto|1,}} || 1925 || {{. . .|15}} || 9,684
|-
| {{ditto|Jan.}} {{dittp|1,}} || 1926 || {{. . .|15}} || 16,598
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{{c|'''Average Monthly Earnings of Workers'''

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| 1913 || {{. . .|15}} ||33 roubles, || 50 kopeks
|-
| 1923 || {{. . .|15}} ||54 roubles, || 46 kopeks
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| 1924 || {{. . .|15}} || 79 roubles, || 43 kopeks
|-
| 1925 || {{. . .|15}} || 82 roubles, || 80 kopeks
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| Oct. || 1923 || {{. . .|15}} || 18 roubles, || 94 kopeks
|-
| Oct. || 1924 || {{. . .|15}} || 27 roubles, || 27 kopeks
|-
| Oct. || 1925 || {{. . .|15}} || 28 roubles, || 42 kopeks
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The plant is being rapidly extended. During the past year 1,300,000 roubles have been expended on improvements, including a big electric power plant costing 600,000 roubles, a new American dryer process for rubbers, a new belting department, new methods of making cord tires, etc. Plans are also being executed to have finished by next year a big rubber plant at Yaroslav, which will employ 15,000 workers. In this plant the workers at the bench and in the leading positions were over-flowing. with optimism as to future prospects.

Before the revolution the workers in these and other Russian plants had no organizations whatever. Now they have a whole network of associations to look after their cultural and material needs. First, let us look at the trade union. Almost 100% of the workers in the plant are members of the Chemical&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|40}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The plant is being rapidly extended. During the past year 1,300,000 roubles have been expended on improvements, including a big electric power plant costing 600,000 roubles, a new American dryer process for rubbers, a new belting department, new methods of making cord tires, etc. Plans are also being executed to have finished by next year a big rubber plant at Yaroslav, which will employ 15,000 workers. In this plant the workers at the bench and in the leading positions were over-flowing. with optimism as to future prospects.

Before the revolution the workers in these and other Russian plants had no organizations whatever. Now they have a whole network of associations to look after their cultural and material needs. First, let us look at the trade union. Almost 100% of the workers in the plant are members of the Chemical&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|40}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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| {{ditto|Jan.}} {{ditto|1,}} || 1926 || {{. . .|15}} || 16,598
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{{c|'''Average Monthly Earnings of Workers'''

(Present Wages Equivalent to About 115% of pre-war.)}}

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| 1913 || {{. . .|15}} ||33 roubles, || 50 kopeks
|-
| 1923 || {{. . .|15}} ||54 roubles, || 46 kopeks
|-
| 1924 || {{. . .|15}} || 79 roubles, || 43 kopeks
|-
| 1925 || {{. . .|15}} || 82 roubles, || 80 kopeks
|}
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{{c|'''Value of Daily Output per Worker (pre-war roubles)'''}}

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| ||1913 || {{. . .|15}} || 22 roubles ||
|-
| Oct. || 1923 || {{. . .|15}} || 18 roubles, || 94 kopeks
|-
| Oct. || 1924 || {{. . .|15}} || 27 roubles, || 27 kopeks
|-
| Oct. || 1925 || {{. . .|15}} || 28 roubles, || 42 kopeks
|}
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The plant is being rapidly extended. During the past year 1,300,000 roubles have been expended on improvements, including a big electric power plant costing 600,000 roubles, a new American dryer process for rubbers, a new belting department, new methods of making cord tires, etc. Plans are also being executed to have finished by next year a big rubber plant at Yaroslav, which will employ 15,000 workers. In this plant the workers at the bench and in the leading positions were over-flowing. with optimism as to future prospects.

Before the revolution the workers in these and other Russian plants had no organizations whatever. Now they have a whole network of associations to look after their cultural and material needs. First, let us look at the trade union. Almost 100% of the workers in the plant are members of the Chemical&lt;noinclude&gt;{{c|40}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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This is a fine old boy as e'er I saw!

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}What, do you change your copy now proceed,
Here stands my dove: stoop at her,&lt;ref&gt;''Here stands my dove'': stoop ''at her'', &amp;c.] To ''stoop'' is a well known term in falconry:—fall or pounce upon her as a hawk on the wing does upon his prey. Examples of so trite an expression are not necessary.&lt;/ref&gt; if you dare.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}'Slight, I must love him! I cannot choose, i'faith,
An I should be hang'd for't! Suster, I protest,
I honour thee for this match.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}O, do you so, sir?

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}Yes, an thou canst take tobacco and drink, old boy,
I'll give her five hundred pound more to her marriage,
Than her own state.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Fill a pipe full, Jeremy.

{{em}}''Face''.{{em}}Yes; but go in and take it, sir.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}We will—
I will be ruled by thee in any thing, Jeremy.

{{em}}''Kas''.{{em}}'Slight, thou art not hide-bound, thou art a jovy boy!
Come, let us in, I pray thee, and take our whiffs.

{{em}}''Love''.{{em}}Whiff in with your sister, brother boy. [''Exeunt Kas. and Dame P''.] That master
That had received such happiness by a servant,
In such a widow, and with so much wealth,
Were very ungrateful, if he would not be
A little indulgent to that servant's wit,
And help his fortune, though with some small strain}}&lt;noinclude&gt;{{smallrefs}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Since we have become so cerebral
we can't bear to touch or be touched.

Since we are so cerebral
we are humanly out of touch.

And so we must remain.
For if, cerebrally, we force ourselves into touch, into contact
physical and fleshly,
we violate ourselves,
we become vicious.
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{{tpp|NOLI ME TANGERE{{ld}}|
Noli me tangere, touch me not!
O you creatures of mind, don't touch me!
O you with mental fingers, O never put your hand on me!
O you with mental bodies, stay a little distance from me!
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And let us if you will, talk and mingle
in mental contact, gay and sad.
But only that.
O don't confuse
the body into it, let us stay apart.

Great is my need to be chaste
and apart, in this cerebral age.
Great is my need to be untouched
untouched.
Noli me tangere!
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{{tpp|CHASTITY|
Chastity, beloved chastity,
O beloved chastity
how infinitely dear to me
chastity, beloved chastity!

That my body need not be
fingered by the mind,
or prostituted by the dree
contact of cerebral flesh—
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{{AuxTOC|
* [[/Foreword|Foreword]]
* [[/Chapter 1|Chapter I: Ekaterinoslav]]
* [[/Chapter 2|Chapter II: Stalino]]
* [[/Chapter 3|Chapter III: Kharkoff]]
* [[/Chapter 4|Chapter IV: Leningrad]]
* [[/Chapter 5|Chapter V: The Revolution Triumphant]]
* [[/Advertisements|Advertisements]]
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O leave me clean from mental fingering
from the cold copulation of the will,
from all the white, self-conscious lechery
the modern mind calls love!

From all the mental poetry
of deliberate love-making,
from all the false felicity
of deliberate taking

the body of another unto mine,
O God deliver me!
leave me alone, let me be!

Chastity, dearer far to me
than any contact that can be
in this mind-mischievous age!
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&lt;section begin=&quot;b&quot;/&gt;
{{tpp|LET US TALK, LET US LAUGH{{ld}}|
Let us talk, let us laugh, let us tell
all kinds of things to one another;
men and women, let us be
gay and amusing together, and free
from airs and from false modesty.
|end=stanza
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Before breakfast on the morning following the scene, Mrs. Langham telephoned her invitation to Patricia at her flat, protesting that she really could not wait a moment longer before “putting things right, between us, my dear.”

Patricia, tired and listless after her night of sleepless thought, listened in silence, her tongue in her 
cheek.

“Very well,” she replied curtly, and replaced the receiver.

Mrs. Langham judged, by the hostility in the acceptance, that the insolent hussy would prove an obstacle to the smooth working of her committee. She said as much to her hushand at breakfast. Mr. Langham replied that he sincerely hoped not. He did not mean what he said, and was thankful that the morning paper screened his features at the moment.

Mrs. Langham’s forebodings were fulfilled.

From the very moment of her entry into the work of No. 2 Committee Patricia Weybourn proved a disturbing influence. After the brief formal greetings of Mrs. Langham and her old friends in the bare room which had been allotted to them as a receiving depot for donations of goods, she removed her hat and turned back her silken cuffs.

“Where is a telephone ?” she asked briefly.

Mrs. Langham and her old friends, who were grouped in the centre of the room eyeing the dusty walls and floor with disapproval, were offended by the girl’s authoritative tone.

“A broom seems to be the first consideration,” observed Mrs. Langham, pointedly.

“It’s an easy matter to borrow a broom,” replied Patricia. “Trestles, benches and packing cases may not prove so easy. I know where I can get a sign&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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But at the same time, don't let's think
that this quite real intimacy
of talk and thought and me-and-thee
means anything further and physical.

Nay, on the very contrary,
all this talking intimacy
is only real and right if we
keep ourselves separate physically
and quite apart.

To proceed from mental intimacy
to physical, is just messy,
and really, a nasty violation,
and the ruin of any decent relation
between us.—
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{{tpp|TOUCH COMES{{ld}}|
Touch comes when the white mind sleeps
and only then.
Touch comes slowly, if ever; it seeps
slowly up in the blood of men
and women.
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I'll come back for you, child{{longdash}}
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{{dent/e}}

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Consuelo{{longdash}}

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Is that you, {{sc|He}}, dear?

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Where did you learn that pose? I have seen it only in marble. You look like Psyche.
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What! fool! Did you imagine that Count Mancini would leave a woman when she needed help? ''I'' shall take her home—let your brutal heart be at rest—I shall take her home. Thomas, run for an automobile. Don't push me Briquet, you are as awkward as a unicorn {{...}} that's the way, that's the way{{longdash}} [''They are holding her, guiding her slowly toward the door''. {{sc|Consuelo}}, ''her chin resting in her hand, is following them with her eyes. Unconsciously she assumes a somewhat affected pose''.]

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After which curt order she left the room in search of a telephone.

She returned within a few minutes. Mrs. Langham and her old friends were still grouped in the centre of the unswept floor. They fell silent as the girl re-entered.

Patricia spoke directly to Mrs. Langham.

“I’ve arranged for trestles and tables. We need them for sorting and packing. The carter will be here with them in half-an-hour. Two wholesale firms are sending packing cases by their own trucks. Two signs, one for the outer door and one for this, will be in place before lunch-time. I have ’phoned advertisements to the ''News'' and the ''Herald'', who are inserting them free of charge. The next thing to be done{{longdash}}”

Mrs. Langham, despite her good resolutions, interrupted angrily.

“This is not the way to proceed, Miss Weybourn. If you had had any experience in public affairs you would know that it is for the committee as a whole to make whatever arrangements may be deemed necessary. I very much resent your usurpation of my position, as also do my old friends, who{{longdash}}”

“If you had had any experience of real necessity, Mrs. Langham, you would know that this is a time for actions rather than foolish discussion,” interrupted Patricia in her turn. “Please continue your dissection of my character, ladies and gentlemen, while I go and hunt for a broom.”

She flashed a contemptuous glance over the astonished and embarrassed group and again left the room.

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      <text bytes="1818" sha1="hsalhfjwcvrb0qgsykh0voe4xs3i35m" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;IdiotSavant&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|149|RESTLESS EARTH}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;They actually suffered the indignity of perspiration, and one pious lady once so far forgot her piety as to use a profane expression.

Mr. Percival Langham and Patricia alone put all their energies into the work willingly. An unspoken alliance existed between them. They understood each other.

“Aren’t you rather neglecting your business?” Patricia asked him, as she held up an end of a shelf while he nailed it in position.

“Oh, no,” he answered lightly. “My business is to assure fair play for my clients—and my friends.”

He glanced at her as he said the last words. Patricia smiled in reply.

Mrs. Langham observed the glance and the smile, and grew more sulky than ever. She could not bring herself to speak at all, merely endorsing Patricia’s curt orders with an affirmative nod. She would have liked to tear the impertinent creature limb from limb in these laborious hours, and was convinced that her old friends held the same idea behind their outraged and sweating brows. As for Langham{{longdash}}! She would have a few words to say to him, later.


The next morning, the third after the earthquake, Mrs. Langham’s attitude had changd. She was her old, bright, commanding self when she entered the depot shortly after nine o’clock. She was accompanied by her husband, who wore his customary deferential air and trailed meekly behind her.

She was surprised to see the whole committee already assembled. Her old friends were not early-risers as a rule, but, of course, her own position demanded the sacrifice of her “beauty sleep” at this time.

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      <text bytes="1822" sha1="8731itmsqaj2k0it2kwiftkc62naunf" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;SnowFire&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|603|THE PEN|THE GLORIOUS KORAN}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;poem&gt;{{verse||verse=36}} What aileth you? How foolishly ye judge!
{{verse||verse=37}} Or have ye a Scripture wherein ye learn
{{verse||verse=38}} That ye shall indeed have all that ye choose?
{{verse||verse=39}} Or have ye a covenant on oath from Us that reacheth to the Day of Judgment, that yours shall be all that ye ordain?
{{verse||verse=40}} Ask them (O Muhammad) which of them will vouch for that!
{{verse||verse=41}} Or have they other gods? Then let them bring their other gods if they are truthful
{{verse||verse=42}} On the day when it befalleth in earnest, and they are ordered to prostrate themselves but are not able,
{{verse||verse=43}} With eyes downcast, abasement stupefying them. And they had been summoned to prostrate themselves while they were yet unhurt.
{{verse||verse=44}} Leave Me (to deal) with those who give the lie to this pronouncement. We shall lead them on by steps from whence they know not.
{{verse||verse=45}} Yet I bear with them, for lo! My scheme is firm.
{{verse||verse=46}} Or dost thou (Muhammad) ask a fee from them so that they are heavily taxed?
{{verse||verse=47}} Or is the Unseen theirs that they can write (thereof)?
{{verse||verse=48}} But wait thou for thy Lord's decree, and be not like him of the fish,&lt;ref&gt;''i.e.'' Jonah.&lt;/ref&gt; who cried out in despair.
{{verse||verse=49}} Had it not been that favour from his Lord had reached him he surely had been cast into the wilderness while he was reprobate.
{{verse||verse=50}} But his Lord chose him and placed him among the righteous.
{{verse||verse=51}} And lo! those who disbelieve would fain disconcert thee with their eyes when they hear the Reminder, and they say: Lo! he is indeed mad;
{{verse||verse=52}} When it is naught else than a Reminder to creation.
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      <text bytes="1810" sha1="lz113vlq0vb2olcmh4rbl9y3som4n6z" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;IdiotSavant&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|150|RESTLESS EARTH}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;now that the barrier of death stood definitely between herself and James Harley, the last faint hope of happiness with him had died—the hope of which she had not been conscious until she read the news. She had thought herself hopeless when Harley had left her; now she felt herself to be hopeless indeed.

This morning nothing interested her, neither the committee nor Mrs. Langham, the earthquake nor the work she was engaged upon. Her brain seemed dead. She seemed to have lost all capacity for further suffering or emotion.

Mrs. Langham revived her.

The large lady, pleasantly surprised to find that Patricia had abdicated the leadership of her own accord, smiled genially upon her old friends and pointedly ignored the girl, who was packing foodstuffs into a large case in a corner of the room.

“Now, let me see,” she began happily, divesting herself of her gloves and handbag. “Where shall we start this morning? Ah, yes. We had better undo all these parcels and classify the contents. Have you the scissors, Percival?”

For some time Mrs. Langham and her old friends fussily undid parcels and classified their contents, discussing meanwhile the aches and pains resulting from their labours of yesterday, and expressing the opinion that No. 2 Committee was an example to every other committee in the country.

Patricia worked in silence and alone. The old friends avoided her, and Mrs. Langham continued to ignore her.

At last came the lead for which Mrs. Langham had waited. One of the old friends mentioned the Harleys.

“Such a nice little thing, she was,” said the old friend, referring to Grace. “So quiet and unassuming.”

“Clever, too,” said another old friend. “I have heard that she furnished the plots for her husband’s stories.”
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      <text bytes="1682" sha1="1tzraqfq0prs8ww3ca8pik1wiybpd3y" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;IdiotSavant&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|151|RESTLESS EARTH}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Mrs. Langham noted that Patricia had ceased her work, although she still stooped over the packing-case.

“I regard Mrs. Harley as one of the most charming young women I have ever been privileged to meet,” said Mrs. Langham, raising her voice somewhat. “The Harleys are neighbours of ours, you know. It is very sad.”

“My husband tells me that he rushed off to Napier on Tuesday night,” said the first old friend. “What a terrible shock it must have been to find them both—like that. A sensitive man, such as he must be{{longdash}}”

“Of course, it must have been an awful blow, my dear,” agreed Mrs. Langham, “especially under the circumstances.”

The significance of the latter words did not go unnoticed, and although Mrs. Langham had her back turned, she knew that Patricia had raised her head.

The old friends drew closer together.

“There have been rumours that the Harleys were not altogether happy,” said one insinuatingly.

Mrs. Langham shrugged her shoulders non-committally and was silent.

“Wasn’t there some talk of another woman?” asked another.

“S-sh!”

Mrs. Langham’s sibilant caution could have been heard in the next room, and her cautious nod directed the gaze of her old friends over her shoulder.

The old friends shot startled glances in the direction of Patricia as comprehension came to them. Then they became excessively busy as they saw that the girl had straightened and was approaching with a curious expression upon her white and drawn face.

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      <text bytes="1992" sha1="lktrgauwuwvj6tajy61jmojvythf50y" xml:space="preserve">&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;pagequality level=&quot;3&quot; user=&quot;SnowFire&quot; /&gt;{{rvh|602|THE COW|THE GLORIOUS KORAN}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;&lt;poem&gt;{{verse||verse=15}} That, when Our revelations are recited unto him, he saith: Mere fables of the men of old.
{{verse||verse=16}} We shall brand him on the nose.
{{verse||verse=17}} Lo! We have tried them as We tried the owners of the garden when they vowed that they would pluck its fruit next morning,
{{verse||verse=18}} And made no exception (for the Will of Allah);&lt;ref&gt;''i.e.'' they forgot to say: &quot;If God wills.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;
{{verse||verse=19}} Then a visitation from thy Lord came upon it while they slept
{{verse||verse=20}} And in the morning it was as if plucked.
{{verse||verse=21}} And they cried out one unto another in the morning,
{{verse||verse=22}} Saying: Run unto your field if ye would pluck (the fruit).
{{verse||verse=23}} So they went off, saying one unto another in low tones:
{{verse||verse=24}} No needy man shall enter it to-day against you.&lt;ref&gt;It was a custom throughout the East to allow the poor a gleaning of all harvests.&lt;/ref&gt;
{{verse||verse=25}} They went betimes, strong in (this) purpose.
{{verse||verse=26}} But when they saw it, they said: Lo! we are in error!
{{verse||verse=27}} Nay, but we are desolate!
{{verse||verse=28}} The best among them said: Said I not unto you: Why glorify ye not (Allah)?
{{verse||verse=29}} They said: Glorified be our Lord! Lo! we have been wrong-doers.
{{verse||verse=30}} Then some of them drew near unto others, self-reproaching.
{{verse||verse=31}} They said: Alas for us! In truth we were outrageous.
{{verse||verse=32}} It may be that our Lord will give us better than this in place thereof. Lo! we beseech our Lord.
{{verse||verse=33}} Such was the punishment. And verily the punishment of the Hereafter is greater if they did but know.
{{verse||verse=34}} Lo! for those who keep from evil are gardens of bliss with their Lord.
{{verse||verse=35}} Shall We then treat those who have surrendered&lt;ref&gt;Ar. ''Muslimîn''.&lt;/ref&gt; as We treat the guilty?&lt;/poem&gt;
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“Mrs. Langham?”

The lady turned, raising her eyebrows and smiling obligingly.

“Yes?”

“Would you care to explain, Mrs. Langham?” asked Patricia quietly.

“Explain what?”

“The ‘Ssh!’”

Mrs. Langham’s smile faded. She became stern.

“Are you in the habit of eavesdropping, Miss Weybourn?” she asked severely.

“Yes, when you and your kind are whispering,” was the uncompromising answer.

“Then you will have heard and understood, Miss Weybourn,” said Mrs. Langham, with a curl of her lip.

Patricia’s right hand came into contact with Mrs. Langham’s cheek so sharply that it raised a tiny cloud of pink dust and revealed a network of tiny wrinkles.

The sound of the blow echoed in the long room, and the old friends gasped in horror as they backed away. To his everlasting shame Mr. Langham thrust his hands into his pockets, strolled to the window and examined the sky while he strove to whistle a half-forgotten tune.

After the first shock of surprise, Mrs. Langham looked around for her natural protector. The sight of his back and the sound of his whistle roused her to fury.

“You—you hussy!” she barked. “How dare you! How dare you!”

“I’ll dare anything where you are concerned, Mrs. Langham,” replied Patricia evenly, advancing her open hand again. “Will you explain the ‘Ssh!’ or must I strike you again?”
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Mr. Langham continued to gaze at the sky, deaf to the appeal.

“I’ll take the risk,” said Patricia, feinting with her right hand and striking with her left. “Now!”

“Percival! Percival!” screamed the injured lady, her eyes filling with tears of rage and pain.

Mr. Langham turned slowly.

“What is it?” he asked mildly, frowning over the top of his pince-nez.

“Call a policeman, and have this woman given in charge!”

There was a moment of silence.

Mr. Langham looked at his wife and at the girl who faced her.

“Don’t be ridiculous, Queenie!” he said, and returned to his study of the sky.

Mrs. Langham and her old friends ceased to breathe for a moment, so amazing was the spectacle of a worm attempting to turn.

Patricia smiled maliciously.

“What did you say, Percival?” demanded his wife imperiously, when she had recovered her breath. “What did you say?”

“Don’t be ridiculous, Queenie!”

Percival Langham turned and approached the two women. His wife stared at him, fascinated, almost forgetful of her enmity in her amazement.

“You asked for it, my dear,” he told his wife. “I have told you often that your tongue would get you into trouble some day. As for calling a constable, I fancy you spoke without consideration, I do not care to have my wife appear as defendant in an assault case, any more than my wife would care to argue this matter in court. Personally, I think you owe Miss Weybourn another apology.”

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{{sc|In}} a country which is full of wild beasts of all sorts there once lived a jackal and a hedgehog, and, unlike though they were, the two animals made great friends, and were often seen in each other’s company.

One afternoon they were walking along a road together, when the jackal, who was the taller of the two, exclaimed:

‘Oh! there is a barn full of corn; let us go and eat some.’

‘Yes, do let us!’ answered the hedgehog. So they went to the barn, and ate till they could eat no more. Then the jackal put on his shoes, which he had taken off so as to make no noise, and they returned to the high road.

After they had gone some way they met a panther, who stopped, and bowing politely, said:

‘Excuse my speaking to you, but I cannot help admiring those shoes of yours. Do you mind telling me who made them?’

‘Yes, I think they ''are'' rather nice,’ answered the jackal; ‘I made them myself, though.’

‘Could you make me a pair like them?’ asked the panther eagerly.

‘I would do my best, of course,’ replied the jackal; ‘but you must kill me a cow, and when we have eaten the flesh I will take the skin and make your shoes out of it.’

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“The bottle of smelling-salts is broken, my dear,” Mr. Langham reminded her as he returned to the window.

The old friends gathered around their fallen leader and obscured her from the mocking gaze of the brazen creature who stood regarding them.

In a moment they were thrown aside with violence as Mrs. Langham fairly bounced to her feet and confronted her tormentor.

“I suppose,” she shrieked, forgetting her culture and aspirations in this moment of supreme anger, “you didn’t move into the Harley house, bag and baggage, last Tuesday? I suppose you didn’t clean up the house, make all the beds, do the washing-up and have tea with Harley? I suppose you didn’t intend to stay there—knowing you had driven his wife and child away?”

“And I suppose you don’t know that I am capable of putting you in the dock on a charge of criminal slander, Mrs. Langham?” returned Patricia icily.

“You would never dare!” breathed Mrs. Langham aghast, the colour leaving her cheeks, her eyes starting in affright.

“You dared me to strike you a moment since,” Patricia reminded her quietly. “I have no social standing that I should be afraid of any dare, Mrs. Langham. As sure as God made you, I’ll have you in the criminal court if I hear another whisper on this matter from you! My life is my own to live as it pleases me. I will not be subject to a tuppeny-ha’penny social climber such as you!”

There was a dead stillness in the room for a second, then Patricia turned away and moved towards her packing-case.

“That is the end of Round Two,” she said. “Now, is there anything else you wished packed with this stuff?”
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Next morning the jackal got up early and set to work upon the shoes, while the panther sat by and looked on with delight. At last they were finished, and the jackal arose and stretched himself.

‘Now go and lay them in the sun out there,’ said he; ‘in a couple of hours they will be ready to put on; but do not attempt to wear them before, or you will feel them most uncomfortable. But I see the sun is high in the heavens, and we must be continuing our journey.’

The panther, who always believed what everybody told him, did exactly as he was bid, and in two hours’ time began to fasten on the shoes. They certainly set off his paws wonderfully, and he stretched out his forepaws and looked at them with pride. But when he tried to ''walk''—ah! that was another story! They were so stiff and hard that he nearly shrieked every step he took, and at last he sank down where he was, and actually 
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‘You seem in pain,’ said one of them, fluttering close to him, ‘can we help you?’

‘Oh, it is the jackal!’ He made me these shoes; they are so hard and tight that they hurt my feet, and I cannot manage to kick them off.’

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''Al-Qalam'', &quot;The Pen&quot;, takes its name from a word in the first verse.

A very early Meccan Sûrah.

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{{c|{{xl|THE PEN}}}}
{{c|''Revealed at Mecca''}}

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

&lt;poem&gt;{{verse||verse=1}} Nûn.&lt;ref&gt;See [[The Meaning of the Glorious Koran (1930)/The Cow|Sûr. II, v. 1, footnote]].&lt;/ref&gt; By the pen and that which they write (therewith),
{{verse||verse=2}} Thou art not, for thy Lord's favour unto thee, a madman.
{{verse||verse=3}} And lo! thine verily will be a reward unfailing.
{{verse||verse=4}} And lo! thou art of a tremendous nature.
{{verse||verse=5}} And thou wilt see and they will see
{{verse||verse=6}} Which of you is the demented.
{{verse||verse=7}} Lo! thy Lord is best aware of him who strayeth from his way, and He is best aware of those who walk aright.
{{verse||verse=8}} Therefor obey not thou the rejecters
{{verse||verse=9}} Who would have had thee compromise, that they may compromise.
{{verse||verse=10}} Neither obey thou each feeble oath-monger,
{{verse||verse=11}} Detracter, spreader abroad of slanders,
{{verse||verse=12}} Hinderer of the good, transgressor, malefactor
{{verse||verse=13}} Greedy therewithal, intrusive.
{{verse||verse=14}} It is because he is possessed of wealth and children&lt;/poem&gt;
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‘Oh, thank you, thank you,’ he cried, skipping round with joy. ‘I feel a different creature. Now I will go after the jackal and pay him my debts.’ And he bounded away into the forest.

But the jackal had been very cunning, and had trotted backwards and forwards and in and out, so that it was very difficult to know which track he had really followed. At length, however, he caught sight of his enemy, at the same moment that the jackal had caught sight of him. The panther gave a loud roar, and sprung forward, but the jackal was too quick for him and plunged into a dense thicket, where the panther could not follow.

Disgusted with his failure, but more angry than ever, the panther lay down for a while to consider what he should do next, and as he was thinking, an old man came by.

‘Oh! father, tell me how I can repay the jackal for the way he has served me!’ And without more ado he told his story.

‘If you take my advice,’ answered the old man, ‘you will kill a cow, and invite all the jackals in the forest to the feast. Watch them carefully while they are eating, and you will see that most of them keep their eyes on their food. But if one of them glances at ''you'', you will know that is the traitor.’

The panther, whose manners were always good, thanked the old man, and followed his counsel. The cow was killed, and the partridges flew about with invitations to the jackals, who gathered in large numbers to the feast. The wicked jackal came amongst them; but as the panther had only seen him once he could not distinguish him from the rest. However, they all took their places on wooden seats placed round the dead cow,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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“I don’t know what I have done to deserve such treatment,” she complained. “I have always done my best for everybody, and this is my reward. Embroiled in a vulgar brawl—deserted by my husand{{longdash}}”

The old friends stood about her in a state of indecision. The mention of the criminal court had frightened them and shaken their allegiance. It was very awkward. There were faults on both sides no doubt, but{{longdash}}

With the last of his courage Percival Langham crossed to the door and spoke over his shoulder as he left hurriedly.

“Serves you damn well right, Queenie!” he said, and fled.

It was a narrow shave, he told himself. Another minute and he would never have been able to muster the courage to get out.

“Great girl!” he muttered admiringly, as he took a “bracer” in the Criterion Bar. ‘“A real Briton! Here’s her health.”

“Drinking alone?” a friend called to him from the other end of the room.

“No. I’m drinking with a fellow I had given up as dead.”

As he left the bar his friend made a significant gesture, and the bar-tender laughed.

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{{plainlist/s|indent=1}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;** (1) Chalk formation.
** (2) Ferruginous sands.
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De la Beche (Geology, 3d edition, 1833) carries out the system more completely, calling the first, or superior order, ''Supercretaceous group'', and applying the terms ''Cretaceous'', ''Oölitic'' and ''Red sandstone'' to three groups into which he divides the second order, and giving the third the name ''Carboniferous group''. Below these he recognizes Werner's Grauwacke group, for what was the lower part of the original ''{{lang|de|Uebergangsgebirge}}'' of his earlier classification, and below this were the ''inferior stratified or non-fossiliferous rocks, and the unstratified rocks''. All of the names, it will be observed, are names indicative of mineral characters. If we turn back to the year 1817 we find the same Wernerian system applied to the classification of North American rocks by William Maclure (Observations on the Geology of the United States of America, Philadelphia, 1817). The author writes: &quot;Necessity dictates the adoption of some system so far as respects the classification and arrangement of names. The Wernerian seems to be the most suitable, first, because it is the most perfect and extensive in its general outlines; and secondly, the nature and relative situation of the minerals in the United States, whilst they are certainly the most extensive of any field yet examined, may perhaps be found the most correct elucidation of the general accuracy of that theory, so far as respects the relative position of the different series of rocks.&quot; (Observations, etc., p. 28). The classification there set forth is as follows (in the order from below upwards):
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‘What am I to do ''now?''’ he asked the old man, who soon came back to see how things had turned out.

‘It is very unfortunate, certainly,’ answered he; ‘but I think I know where you can find him. There is a melon garden about two miles from here, and as jackals are very fond of melons they are nearly sure to have gone there to feed. If you see a tailless jackal you will know that he is the one you want.’ So the panther thanked him and went his way.

Now the jackal had guessed what advice the old man would give his enemy, and so, while his friends were greedily eating the ripest melons in the sunniest corner of the garden, he stole behind them and tied their tails together. He had only just finished when his ears caught the sound of breaking branches; and he cried: ‘Quick! quick! here comes the master of the garden!’ And the jackals sprang up and ran away in all directions, leaving their tails behind them. And how was the panther to know which was his enemy?

‘They none of them had any tails,’ he said sadly to the old man, ‘and I am tired of hunting them. I shall leave them alone and go and catch something for supper.’


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‘Ah, there you are,’ he said gaily. ‘I have lost my tail since I saw you last. And other people have lost theirs too; but that is no matter! I am hungry, so come with me to the shepherd who is sitting over there, and we will ask him to sell us one of his sheep.’

‘Yes, that is a good plan,’ answered the hedgehog. And he walked as fast as his little legs would go to keep up with the jackal. When they reached the shepherd the jackal pulled out his purse from under his foreleg, and made his bargain.

‘Only wait till to-morrow,’ said the shepherd, ‘and I will give you the biggest sheep you ever saw. But he always feeds at some distance from the rest of the flock, and it would take me a long time to catch him.’

‘Well, it is very tiresome, but I suppose I must wait,’ replied the jackal. And he and the hedgehog looked about for a nice dry cave in which to make themselves comfortable for the night. But, after they had gone, the shepherd killed one of his sheep, and stripped off his skin, which he sewed tightly round a greyhound he had with him, and put a cord round its neck. Then he lay down and went to sleep.

Very, very early, before the sun was properly up, the jackal and the hedgehog were pulling at the shepherd’s cloak.

‘Wake up,’ they said, ‘and give us that sheep. We have had nothing to eat all night, and are very hungry.’

The shepherd yawned, and rubbed his eyes. ‘He is tied up to that tree; go and take him.’ So they went to the tree and unfastened the cord, and turned to go back to the cave where they had slept, dragging the greyhound after them. When they reached the cave the jackal said to the hedgehog:

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‘He is quite fat enough; he is a good sheep.’

But the hedgehog, who sometimes showed more cunning than anyone would have guessed, answered:

‘My friend, you are talking nonsense. The wool is indeed a sheep’s wool, but the paws of my uncle the greyhound peep out from underneath.’

‘He is a ''sheep'',’ repeated the jackal, who did not like to think anyone cleverer than himself.

‘Hold the cord while ''I'' look at him,’ answered the hedgehog.

Very unwillingly the jackal held the rope, while the hedgehog walked slowly round the greyhound till he reached the jackal again. He knew quite well by the paws and tail that it was a greyhound and not a sheep, that the shepherd had sold them; and as he could not tell what turn affairs might take, he resolved to get out of the way.

‘Oh! yes, you are right,’ he said to the jackal; ‘but I never can eat till I have first drunk. I will just go and quench my thirst from that spring at the edge of the wood, and then I shall be ready for breakfast.’

‘Don’t be long, then,’ called the jackal, as the hedgehog hurried off at his best pace. And he lay down under a rock to wait for him.

More than an hour passed by and the hedgehog had had plenty of time to go to the spring and back, and still there was no sign of him. And this was very natural, as he had hidden himself in some long grass under a tree!

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Soft slow sympathy
of the blood in me, of the blood in thee
rises and flushes insidiously
over the conscious personality
of each of us, and covers us
with a soft one warmth, and a generous
kindled togetherness, so we go
into each other as tides flow
under a moon they do now know.

Personalities exist apart;
and personal intimacy has no heart.
Touch is of the blood
uncontaminated, the unmental flood.

When again in us
the soft blood softly flows together
towards touch, then this delirious
day of the mental welter and blether
will be passing away, we shall cease to fuss.
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{{tpp|LEAVE SEX ALONE{{ld}}|
Leave sex alone, leave sex alone, let it die right away,
let it die right away, till it rises of itself again.
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Meanwhile, if we must, let us think about it, and talk about it
straight, to the very end,
since the need is on us.
But while we think of it, and talk of it
let us leave it alone, physically, keep apart.
For while we have sex in the mind, we truly have none in the body.

Sex is a state of grace
and you'll have to wait.
You'll even have to repent.
And in some strange and silent way
you'll have to pray to the far-off gods
to grant it you.

At present, sex is the mind's preoccupation,
and in the body we can only mentally fornicate.
To-day, we've got no sex.
We have only cerebral excitations.

The mind will have to glut itself,
and the ego will have to burst like the swollen frog,
and then perhaps we shall know true sex, in ourselves.
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We've made a great mess of love
since we made an ideal of it.

The moment I swear to love a woman, a certain woman, all my life
that moment I begin to hate her.

The moment I even say to a woman: I love you!—
my love dies down considerably.
The moment love is an understood thing between us, we are sure of it,
it's a cold egg, it isn't love any more.

Love is like a flower, it must flower and fade;
if it doesn't fade, it is not a flower,
it's either an artificial rag blossom, or an immortelle, for the cemetery.

The moment the mind interferes with love, or the will fixes on it,
or the personality assumes it as an attribute, or the ego takes possession of it
it is not love any more, it's just a mess.
And we've made a great mess of love, mind-perverted, will-perverted, ego-perverted love.
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Climb down, O lordly mind!
O eagle of the mind, alas, you are more like a buzzard.

Come down now, from your pre-eminence, O mind, O lofty spirit!
Your hour has struck
your unique day is over.
Absolutism is finished, in the human consciousness too.

A man is many things, he is not only a mind.
But in his consciousness, he is two-fold at least:
he is cerebral, intellectual, mental, spiritual,
but also he is instinctive, intuitive, and in touch.
The mind, that needs to know all things
must needs at last come to know its own limits,
even its own nullity, beyond a certain point.

Know thyself, and that thou art mortal,
and therefore, that thou are forever unknowable;
the mind can never reach thee.

Thou art like the moon,
and the white mind shines on one side of thee
but the other side is dark forever,
and the dark moon draws the tides also.
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Thou art like the day
but thou art also like the night,
and thy darkness is forever invisible,
for the strongest light throws also the darkest shadow.

The blood knows in darkness, and forever dark,
in touch, by intuition, instinctively.
The blood also knows religiously,
and of this, the mind is incapable.
The mind is non-religious.

To my dark heart, gods ''are.''
In my dark heart, love is and is not.
But to my white mind
gods and love alike are but an idea
a kind of fiction.

Man is an alternating consciousness.
Man is an alternating consciousness.

Only that exists which exists in my own consciousness.
Cogito, ergo sum.
Only that exists which exists dynamically and unmentalised, in my blood.
Non cogito, ergo sum.
I am, I do not think I am.
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As a plant becomes pot-bound
man becomes ego-bound
enclosed in his own limited mental consciousness.

Then he can't feel any more
or love, or rejoice or even grieve any more,
he is ego-bound,
pot-bound
in the pot of his own conceit,
and he can only slowly die.

Unless he is a sturdy plant.
Then he can burst the pot,
shell off his ego
and get his roots in earth again,
raw earth.
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{{tpp|JEALOUSY|
The jealousy of an ego-bound woman
is hideous and fearful,
it is so much stronger than her love could ever be.
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The jealousy of an ego-bound woman
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The ego revealed in all its monstrous inhumanity.
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{{tpp|FIDELITY|
Fidelity and love are two different things, like a flower and a gem.
And love, like a flower, will fade, will change into something else
or it would not be flowery.

O flowers they fade because they are moving swiftly; a little torrent of life
leaps up to the summit of the stem, gleams, turns over round the bend
of the parabola of curved flight
sinks, and is gone, like a comet curving into the invisible.

O flowers they are all the time travelling
like comets, and they come into our ken
for a day, for two days, and withdraw, slowly vanish again.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;to the Dolores Costello set and the same night Miss Costello missed a $5,000 brooch. The thief could not be found. 

Ten days later Mr. Warner was driving home late at night, when his lights flashed on a man standing under a pepper tree. In a second, the executive jammed on the brakes.

&quot;Want a ride?&quot; he called genially, carefully keeping his face in shadow. 

All unsuspecting, the quarry stepped into the car. Whereupon Mr. Warner drove straight to the police station and confounded the officers with the sight of the very man they had been trailing so unsuccessfully. 


{{di|A}}RTHUR CAESAR, Broadway wit now writing for moompitchers and who runs a sort of Hollywood embassy for lonely Manhattanites in our midst, comes forth with this month's smart crack:

&quot;If there's a theme song in heaven it must be 'All God's Chilluns Got Options.{{' &quot;}}


{{di|A}}NOTHER matrimonial mistake that we are sorry to disclose. 

Those of you who have watched the sunny smile of Douglas McLean on the screen will be sorry to learn that sometimes there is anguish back of it. We know this must be so, for he is separated from his charming wife, Faith Cole McLean. 

The McLeans have been married thirteen years and were listed among that small number of &quot;ideal couples,&quot; so we experienced a distinct shock when the information reached us that the McLeans were separating, though no divorce proceedings have been started. 


{{di|D}}URING the week which preceded the Motion Picture Academy's awards, all those who entered the M.-G.-M. commissary crossed themselves, salaamed, or otherwise did obeisance, according to their lights, before a holy shrine. That shrine consisted of a black table on which stood in splendor the coveted gold statuette. A celluloid cover protected it from the itching fingers of directors, actors and writers. 

Above it a sign bore the legend, &quot;To be awarded as recognition for the most astounding contribution to motion pictures.&quot;

Came the day when the astounded worshippers found that their shrine had vamoosed—and in its place hung a life-size (believe it or not) picture of that leviathan of title-writers, Joe Farnham. 

The legend now read, &quot;To Joe Farnham for title-writing.&quot; Many habituées of the commissary took their luncheon at the drugstore across the street. 


{{di|E}}STELLE TAYLOR'S friends are always delighted when she entertains, as it means something unusual is in store. At a recent luncheon, Estelle gave all the girls big, beautiful evening handkerchiefs, concealed in the cream puffs which were served for dessert. 

The laugh came when we observed the excitement among the servants. It seems they had planned to give the prettiest handkerchief to Estelle, but the guest next to Estelle received a very small cream puff, and Estelle insisted upon exchange, thereby causing panic among the servants when they discovered their ruse had not worked. 


{{di|A}}T this same luncheon, fortunes were told by opening the little Chinese cakes that contain printed slips. Estelle's read: &quot;You have a secret rival.&quot; Her quick comment was, &quot;The only trouble about this is that the word ''secret'' might have been omitted.&quot;

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Heart Throbs&quot; /&gt;[[File:Photoplay - 1929.08 - 96 - Heart Throbs.png|center|400px]]

{{right|New Orleans, La.}} 

For a good while I have been reading what younger folks thought about moving pictures, the generation that has had them all their lives. But seems like the old folks haven't had a chance to express themselves. 

I am an old man, near seventy-five, without kith or kin. I don't know anybody much here in the city except the folks who stay where I do, and when I come home at night to the boarding-house from the library where I work in the day time, there isn't much for an old man to do. All the rest of the folks go out on one sort of a party or another but they leave the old man to take care of himself. And I get pretty lonesome sometimes. 

But there's one place I can lose myself and my loneliness and that's in a good picture. I feel that I speak for all the old, lonesome people in this city and elsewhere when I thank the producers and directors and actors who have provided amusement and entertainment for us. 

I have seen hundreds of pictures, including the new talkies, in the last ten years, and while I have sat through many bad ones, yet in the main I have enjoyed them all. They portray Life, and to us who have stepped off the stage and must watch from the outside, they help us forget that we have grown old and are forgotten in the mad swirl of things. The younger folks go to the movies, but they have other things to go to. But to me, it is my only form of amusement and my only way of reviewing the days when I was young and enjoying life, and so I am an enthusiastic movie fan. 

The critics say that the pictures are bad. 

Maybe they are, but I have seen many bad things in my day, and it seems to me that the movies are cleaner than lots of things. 

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&quot;All I hear is talk of weddings, showers, luncheons honoring... etc. What with Carmel's wedding next Sunday, and May's a few weeks later, and my own in the offing, I can tell you just what the perfect bride is wearing, thinking, and saying.&quot; Carmel (Myers) and May (McAvoy) will be married before the ink is dry on this page and Patsy Ruth soon after. 

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{{di|H}}OLLYWOOD always gets more than its share of princes and princesses on the loose, but the most interesting nabob it has ever had, by all odds, is Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia, second son of the former crown prince of Germany and grandson of the late All-Highest, now the old gardener of Doorn. 

Louis Ferdinand is a tall, gangling youth of 21—a Hohenzollern by build, actions and nose. He is out here on the coast purely on speculation. He has a very modest allowance from the present German state, and is now padding it a little by working for the Ford airplane people at about five dollars a day. 


{{di|B}}UT the film colony, always celebrity-hungry, chooses to forget the fact that Louis is dirtying his hands at manual toil. It throws him enormous parties and he is a prominent figure at first nights, usually with a large party of other invited guests in tow. He has more fun for less money than anybody in Hollywood. 

He is an old friend of Lily Damita's from her European era, and is seen places with her a good deal. But his royal heritage didn't keep him from being refused admission to the Fox Hills movietone lot—which is harder to crash than Heaven. 

Not long ago Louis was the guest of a well known dialog writer in Hollywood, and wanted to stay the night. 

There were only two beds in the bungalow—the spare being normally occupied by the yellow house-boy. 

So the prince of Prussia and a Filipino boy shook dice for the extra bed! Could the great levelling of the democratic ideal go farther? 


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With but five hundred eyes to see—
At every movie opening 
They prance and strut like anything—
Each, nourishing her precious name, 
Just stumbles up the stares to fame! 
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{{di|D}}OLORES DEL RIO is a lady in search of a voice. &quot;Evangeline&quot; is to be made into a sound picture and the producers are looking for a feminine voice that will match up with Dolores' smile. No, Sophie Tucker won't do.


{{di|T}}HE sunny beach season is open in California, and if you haven't a shack at Malibu you'll have to crash one of the beautiful beach clubs at Santa Monica in order to spend Sunday with the sand and sea. 

The Beach Club is a favorite spot. On its gleaming sand you can see, if you're lucky, many of our friends. George Bancroft, looking like the rising sun in an orange bathing suit, parades there, and Jack Mulhall is a familiar figure. Cecelia De Mille, daughter of Cecil, crack horsewoman and smart swimmer, is one 
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Tell him, I have some business to employ him.

{{em}}''Brai''.{{em}}I will, sir, presently.

{{em}}''Know''.{{em}}But hear you, sirrah,
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his coat, boots, and hat and threw himself on a bed. He 
smiled to himself as he thought how neatly he had thrown 
Garrett off the scent. While the posses were sweeping 
New Mexico, he had been safe in Fort Sumner among 
friends. But it was time for him to get out of the coun- 
try. These bloodhounds on his trail would nose him out 
sooner or later. He would start for Mexico to-morrow 
night. And while the Kid dreamed his dream, death was 
waiting in ambush for him fifty feet away. 
“Celsa,” he called. 
Celsa Gutierrez, Saval’s wife, who had been waiting, 
up for the Kid to come in from the sheep camp, stepped 
into the room from the kitchen. 
“I'm hungry, Celsa,” said the Kid. “Can’t you get 
me a bite to eat?” 
Celsa rummaged through her pantry. 
“There is nothing here but some cold tortillas and 
coffee, Chiquito,” she said, “but Pete Maxwell killed a 
beef to-day. It is hanging in the north porch of the Max- 
well house. T'll go cut you off a steak and cook you a 
good supper.” 
She went back into the kitchen and got her butcher 
knife. She was reaching for her rebozo hanging on a nail 
on the wall to throw over her head against the night damp. 
“I'll go for the meat,” said the Kid, getting up from 
the bed. 
“No, muchacho,” protested Celsa. “You must stay 
here. There is no telling what might happen to you. 
Danger is always near you. You must not venture out 
to-night.” 
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no need for him to go for the meat. But he went. 
“There is no danger, Celsa,” he said. “Give me the 
butcher knife.” 
So the Kid started out for the meat just as he was, bare« 
headed, coatless, with only socks on his feet, the butcher 
knife in his right hand and, naturally enough, as he was 
left-handed, his forty-one calibre double-action revolver 
in its scabbard at his left side. He stepped from the door 
of Saval Gutierrez’s home not more than a minute after 
Garrett had entered Pete Maxwell's room. 
The familiar scene outdoors was more than usually 
serene in the pale moonlight. The deep hush of midnight 
lay upon the slumbering town. The great, dark, silent 
mass of the Maxwell home loomed fifty feet ahead of him. 
There was no movement, no sound to indicate danger, 
nothing to warn him to be on guard. He was huncrv. 
The carcass of beef hung in the north porch He would 
cut off a good steak for himself. There was no better cook 
in Fort Sumner than Celsa. He would have a rezular 
feast. . . . He did not see the two deputies sitting 
in the heavy shadows of the porch. With quick, easy 
stride, still thinking of his supper, he walked straight 
toward them, his soul off watch. 
Poe saw him coming. McKinney, squatting behind the 
palings rolling a cigarette, neither saw nor heard him. 
The Kid's figure stood out clearly in the moonlight as he 
moved noiselessly on bootless feet over the matted grass. 
Not a flash of suspicion disturbed Poe's mind that this 
was the desperado he was hunting, whom he knew he had 
to kill on sight, who otherwise would kill him instantly 
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curious way who this half-dressed youth might be wander- 
ing about at midnight, and contented himself with the 
half-formed, passing thought that probably it was one of 
Pete Maxwell's sheep herders. 
Coming on rapidly, the Kid stepped up on the porch 
and almost stumbled over Poe before he saw him. If his 
soul had been off watch before, that instant it sprang to 
hair-trigger alertness. There was a lightning-quick move- 
ment of his left hand and Poe was staring in astonishment 
into the muzzle of the Kid’s revolver. 
“Quitn es?” 
The Kid's voice was vibrant with a suddenly awakened 
sense of danger. Who were these two armed strangers 
at Pete Maxwell's house at midnight? He began to back 
away across the porch. 
Poe was nonplussed, his mind somehow still out of focus. 
He thought with a certain touch of pity that, without 
intention, he had frightened this poor sheep herder. It 
seemed to him vaguely that he owed the simple rustic 
some sort of apology. He got to his feet and took a step 
toward the Kid. 
“Don’t be scared,” he said reassuringly. “I’m not go- 
ing to hurt you.” 
The Kid kept backing away. 
“Quin es?” he snapped out again. 
Poe said nothing more. He did not know what to say. 
He had never seen a sheep herder act like this. The 
fellow must be crazy. It did not occur to him to draw 
his six-shooter. He stood there feeling rather foolish, 
the Kid’s gun all the while pointed at his breast. 
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The Kid backed into the doorway of Maxwell’s room. 
There he paused for an instant, half-hidden by the thick 
adobe wall, his gun still at aim. 
“Quién es?” he called a third time. 
Then he turned and stepped into the black darkness 
of the chamber; into security, as he fancied; into a death 
trap, in reality. In the darkness, Death crouched, 
waiting, ready. 
Coming in out of the bright moonlight, the Kid could 
hardly see his hand before him. But he did not reed to 
see. He knew the room of old, the arrangement cf the 
furniture—every detail. He groped to the foot cr the 
bed, stepped around to the side, leaned slighti over 
Maxwell. 
“Quiénes son esos hombres afuera, Pete!” he asked 
(Who are those fellows outsider) 
Garrett, sitting silent in the darkness at the heal of che 
bed, could have stretched out a hand and t:uche 
Kid. He knew at once this was the Kid. nal recy 
nized his voice when the Kid had flashed his =rsz Spanish 
question at Poe outside on the porch. He nad reczznized 
the familiar figure silhouetted against a pazcn of moon- 
light as the Kid came in the door. If ne czubt was in his 
mind of the Kid’s identity, neither was there czubt as to 
what he himself must do and do quickly :7 he was to hive 
to see the light of another day. His mind was instantly 
made up. 
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reached for his six-shooter. Burt so quickly did the little 
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Kid, two feet away, was bending over Maxwell with the 
query that was never answered. The Kid felt, rather 
than saw, the noiseless movement of Garrett’s arm. 
He caught a sudden, vague glimpse of Garrett’s form 
bulking dimly in the darkness. He sprang back to the 
middle of the room and threw his revolver to a level. 
“Quién es?” he demanded sharply. 
Dropping over sideways from the chair toward the floor 
in a tricky, dodging movement, Garrett answered the 
question with a shot. A flare of lurid flame lighted up 
the darkness for an instant, the room shook with a sudden 
crashing explosion, and Billy the Kid fell dead with a 
bullet through his heart. 
Garrett fired a second shot as quickly as his finger could 
pull the trigger and, bolting for the door, was out of the 
room in three strides. Pete Maxwell, in wild panic, 
scrambled over the foot of his bed and, hard on Garrett’s 
neels, dashed outside, a fat, ludicrous figure clad only in 
his nightshirt. He blundered on the porch into Poe, 
vho shoved his six-shooter into his stomach and would 
have killed him, had not Garrett, with a hurried explana- 
tion, knocked the weapon aside. 
“It was the Kid who came in there on to me,” Garrett 
told Poe, “and I think I got him.” 
“Pat,” replied Poe, still under the sheep-herder hal- 
lucination, “I believe you have killed the wrong man.” 
“I’m sure it was the Kid,” responded Garrett, “for I 
knew his voice and could not have been mistaken.” 
They heard several gurgling gasps inside. Then there 
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Kid, two feet away, was bending over Maxwell with the 
query that was never answered. The Kid felt, rather 
than saw, the noiseless movement of Garrett’s arm. 
He caught a sudden, vague glimpse of Garrett’s form 
bulking dimly in the darkness. He sprang back to the 
middle of the room and threw his revolver to a level. 
“Quién es?” he demanded sharply. 
Dropping over sideways from the chair toward the floor 
in a tricky, dodging movement, Garrett answered the 
question with a shot. A flare of lurid flame lighted up 
the darkness for an instant, the room shook with a sudden 
crashing explosion, and Billy the Kid fell dead with a 
bullet through his heart. 
Garrett fired a second shot as quickly as his finger could 
pull the trigger and, bolting for the door, was out of the 
room in three strides. Pete Maxwell, in wild panic, 
scrambled over the foot of his bed and, hard on Garrett’s 
neels, dashed outside, a fat, ludicrous figure clad only in 
his nightshirt. He blundered on the porch into Poe, 
vho shoved his six-shooter into his stomach and would 
have killed him, had not Garrett, with a hurried explana- 
tion, knocked the weapon aside. 
“It was the Kid who came in there on to me,” Garrett 
told Poe, “and I think I got him.” 
“Pat,” replied Poe, still under the sheep-herder hal- 
lucination, “I believe you have killed the wrong man.” 
“I’m sure it was the Kid,” responded Garrett, “for I 
knew his voice and could not have been mistaken.” 
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“''Quién es?''” he demanded sharply.

Dropping over sideways from the chair toward the floor in a tricky, dodging movement, Garrett answered the question with a shot. A flare of lurid flame lighted up the darkness for an instant, the room shook with a sudden crashing explosion, and Billy the Kid fell dead with a bullet through his heart.

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“It was the Kid who came in there on to me,” Garrett told Poe, “and I think I got him.”

“Pat,” replied Poe, still under the sheep-herder hallucination, “I believe you have killed the wrong man.”

“I’m sure it was the Kid,” responded Garrett, “for I knew his voice and could not have been mistaken.”

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and there. Coming from the northwest, the river bends 
to the south and loses itself in the far distance. You 
have a view of a broad reach of bronze water which, in the 
sun, looks like a highway paved with gold. Old Man 
Foor halts. You look at him curiously, expecting an 
explanation. 
“There it is,” he says. 
“There what is?” 
“Old Fort Sumner.” 
He sweeps the empty landscape with a casual wave of 
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You gulp down your astonishment. You had expected 
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“There ain’t no such place as old Fort Sumner,” F-or 
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town. He was postmaster for twenty vears. He knows 
the old place like a book. He is knocking around seventy 
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TRAIL'S END 
ISTORY, that records the 
and marshals and peacemakers of all kinds to 
tame the West and establish law and order, 
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Pat Garrett. He was brave, resourceril, tireles 
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of a sheriff. The law was explicit: 
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{{uc|{{dropinitial|H}}istory}}, that records the long fight of sheriffs and and marshals and peacemakers of all kinds to tame the West and establish law and order, furnishes few finer examples of the frontier sheriff than Pat Garrett. He was brave, resourceful, tireless, and in the conscientious performance of his duty, as cold and impersonal as the law itself. His psychology was that of a sheriff. The law was explicit; it pointed out his path of duty clearly; and he carried out the law to the last letter without sentiment or malice or resentment. No personal feeling of any kind ever clouded his ideas of the law or his duty under the law. He was in a way a legal machine. He moved along his path of duty as crushingly and inexorably as a steam-roller. If he set out to arrest a man, he arrested him or killed him. When he took a trail, he followed it to the end.

Cold and relentless as he undoubtedly was, he was not instinctively a killer. He killed only three men in his life—Tom O’Folliard, Charlie Bowdre, and Billy the Kid—and in each instance the killing was justified by the circumstances. He was free of any taint of blood-thirstiness. In that time and country, it was “Hands up!” with every man he arrested, and if he had been dominated by a murderous spirit, he could have killed many men with impunity and within the law. But beneath his hard surface was a certain kindly humanity,

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{{uc|{{dropinitial|H}}istory}}, that records the long fight of sheriffs and and marshals and peacemakers of all kinds to tame the West and establish law and order, furnishes few finer examples of the frontier sheriff than Pat Garrett. He was brave, resourceful, tireless, and in the conscientious performance of his duty, as cold and impersonal as the law itself. His psychology was that of a sheriff. The law was explicit; it pointed out his path of duty clearly; and he carried out the law to the last letter without sentiment or malice or resentment. No personal feeling of any kind ever clouded his ideas of the law or his duty under the law. He was in a way a legal machine. He moved along his path of duty as crushingly and inexorably as a steam-roller. If he set out to arrest a man, he arrested him or killed him. When he took a trail, he followed it to the end.

Cold and relentless as he undoubtedly was, he was not instinctively a killer. He killed only three men in his life—Tom O’Folliard, Charlie Bowdre, and Billy the Kid—and in each instance the killing was justified by the circumstances. He was free of any taint of blood-thirstiness. In that time and country, it was “Hands up!” with every man he arrested, and if he had been dominated by a murderous spirit, he could have killed many men with impunity and within the law. But beneath his hard surface was a certain kindly humanity,&lt;noinclude&gt;{{rh/1|class=__pagefooter}}
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on, he was hanged in Texas. But that fellow had guts. 
The drop didn’t scare him at all, but it saved my life. 
“While I was sheriff of Dofia Ana County,” Garrett 
said, dropping into another reminiscence, ‘a shenff from 
over in the Indian Nations rode into Las Cruces one dav. 
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“While I was sheriff of Doña Ana County,” Garrett said, dropping into another reminiscence, “a sheriff from over in the Indian Nations rode into Las Cruces one day. He was trailing a convict who had broken out of the penitentiary back there after killing a guard and had sworn he’d never be taken alive. I located the fugitive on a ranch a few miles from town where he was cooking for a cattle outfit. Leaving the officer behind because the convict knew him, I rode out to the ranch with a Mexican deputy. I posted my deputy on guard outside and I stepped into the house.

“I sneaked along the hall with my six-shooter in my hand and ran on to my man in the kitchen. He was a strapping, powerful fellow and was wiping his hands on a towel, having just finished washing the dinner dishes. As I cracked down on him with my gun, he leaped at me and smashed me in the face with his fist. It was a punch like the kick of a mule. I staggered against the wall; he jumped out of the window. I clawed at him with my hands and tore the shirt off his back but he wriggled out of my grip. I rushed out the door and we met again head-on on the porch. I smashed him over the head with my revolver and knocked him flat. But he leaped up and tore into me. I don’t know why I didn’t kill him; I could have done it any time. We fought all over the porch. Finally he broke away and darted into a door. He was running through a hall to his room to get his gun. But my Mexican stepped inside just then and put a bullet&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Garrett spied a solitary horseman jogging ahead in the 
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“I wonder who that is,” he said.

He soon recognized the bay horse as Brazel’s and the stalwart young figure sitting in the saddle with the nonchalant grace of a veteran range rider as Brazel himself. As his team, moving at a smart clip, cut down the intervening distance, Garrett was soon able to note the details of the horseman’s attire—gray sombrero set squarely on the head, tan overalls, gray coat beneath which projected the yellow leather holster of a six-shooter, a red-and-black knitted scarf around the throat against a tang of cold in the February morning. Hard lines appeared about Garrett’s eyes, and his lips tightened as he clucked up his horses. He seemed grimly pleased at the prospect of this accidental meeting.

“I’ll give that young fellow a piece of my mind,” he said.

Brazel looked surprised but in no wise disconcerted as Garrett drew alongside and pulled his team to a walk.

“I am goin’ to give you mighty little more time to get off my land,” said Garrett.

“I’ll take all the time I want,” Brazel replied with crisp deliberation. “You ain’t goin’ to get that land back till my lease is up. I’ve told you that before.”

“I’ll show you. If the law don’t put you off, I will.”

“You can’t bluff me and no use trying.”

“Moreover, you’ve got no right running goats on my land.”

“I’ll run any kind of stock on it I please.”

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walk. The backing-strap of one of Garrett’s horses be- 
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the side of the road and waited for the journey and the 
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watchful, defiant. Garrett stepped back to the space 
between the wheels. He stood for a moment facing his 
enemy, his tall, lank form rigid, his face twisted with rage, 
murder blazing in his eyes. His words had been wasted; 
it was time for buckshot. 
“God damn you,” he said, “if I can’t get you off my 
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He reached into the buckboard and snatched up his 
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ten feet, fired twice. The first bullet drove through 
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feet of Brazel’s horse, both hands still gripping his shotgun 
firmly, a finger of his right hand against the trigger. 
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Two specimens taken by Mr. R. W. Fereday in March near Lake Coleridge.

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The ''Tortricina'' of New Zealand are less numerous than at first sight they appear to be, or than would be inferred from a study of authors. Walker described 40 species, but after the removal of synonyms, and unidentifiable descriptions of which the types have been lost, these are reducible to 12. Zeller has added one new species. Felder has described 9, out of which (excluding ''Pædisca mahiana'', which is unknown to me, but perhaps not a New Zealand species) only one is new. Butler has, also, described 7, of which only two are new. I have previously described 9 others, and now give descriptions of 11 additional species, which, with two naturalized European insects, bring up the entire number to only 38.

I have been led by a fuller acquaintance with the New Zealand species, which are presumably in the main of old types, to modify the views expressed in my paper on the Australian ''Tortricina'' ([[Proceedings of the Linnean Society of New South Wales/Series 1 Volume 5|Proc. Linn. Soc. of New South Wales]], 1881) as to the process of development of the ''Tortricidæ''. The genus ''Harmologa'' and the additional species of ''Proselena'' furnish so strong a connecting link between their own group (or that of ''Acropolitis''), and that of ''Tortrix'' and ''Cacoecia'', that I see no other way of accounting for it, except on the supposition that this group is the oldest of the three principal ones, and that the groups of ''Dichelia'', on the one hand, and of ''Tortrix'', on the other, both sprang from it in diverging lines. The genus ''Prothelymna'' further supplies the nearest approach known to me in these regions towards the type from which this oldest group must have arisen. It is impossible to arrange a linear order so as to clearly show these relations, but I think them quite apparent. The history of the special distinguishing character of the ''Acropolitis'' group, the separation at origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings, is thus satisfactorily made out; the group originates from the ''Chimabacchidæ'', a small family specially characterized by this same structure, but in the ''Depressaridæ'' and ''Œcophoridæ'', which are very extensive families, and the parents of the ''Chimabacchidæ'', this character is entirely absent; the tendency to reversion in this particular has evidently been very strong, since in all three families of the ''Tortricina'' the character has disappeared from all but the oldest types. So marked is this result,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The New Zealand ''Tortricina'' are of a very fragmentary sort; even those that are congeneric are very rarely at all closely allied specifically. The fauna certainly strikes one as not having been developed on the spot from a few types, but as being the broken remains of a much more extensive one; though it might possibly have been derived by scanty immigration from different sides. Unfortunately there is practically little or nothing known of the South American ''Tortricina'', nor of those of the South Pacific Islands. The affinity with Australia is, however, clear.

The ''Tortricidæ'' are represented by 11 genera; of these 4 are cosmopolitan, 4 Australian, and 3 (so far as known) endemic. Of the cosmopolitan genera, the single species of ''Capua,'' and three species of ''Tortrix'', are closely allied to Australian forms. Two, however, of the endemic genera, viz., ''Prothelymna'' and ''Eurythecta'', are widely remote from any known Australian genera. The entire absence of ''Teras'' and ''Sciaphila'', a marked characteristic of Australia, is here equally noticeable. Eight genera of ''Grapholithidæ'' occur; but of these, two are not indigenous; and a third, ''Strepsiceros'', is represented only by two species, which both also occur in Australia, being the only two ''Tortricina'' apparently native to both countries. As this genus is considerably developed in Australia, of which it is peculiarily characteristic, and as there are no known species peculiar to New Zealand, I am disposed to think that both of these must have been in some way artificially introduced.&lt;ref&gt;With regard to the introduction of the two species of ''Strepsiceros'' here mentioned, I may suggest that it is sometimes stated, (I know not with what truth), that the leaves of the ''Leptospermum'', on which the larvæ of both feed, were used by the sailors of Captain Cook as a substitute for tea; and it is therefore conceivable that, when leaving Port Jackson, where the plant and both the insects in question are found, they, being ignorant that the plant was equally common in New Zealand, might have brought a supply of branches with them. ''S. ejectana'' is so abundant near Sydney, that a small consignment of these could hardly fail to introduce it successfully.&lt;/ref&gt; Of the remaining five genera, four are isolated and endemic, containing each a single species, three of them having some apparent affinity with ''Strepsiceros;'' the fifth, ''Pædisca'', is the solitary representative of the large group of genera closely allied to ''Grapholitha'', dominant in Europe and North America, but absent from Australia, so that this species is locally quite isolated. The ''Conchylidæ'' are represented by only one genus, found also in Australia, and of a group characteristically Australian; there are structural reasons for supposing this genus to be one of the oldest types of its family. On the whole, therefore, it will be seen that the fauna is distinctly Australian in character, with some few curious and at present inexplicable exceptions.
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Some species were wrongly classified in my paper cited above, owing in most instances to the want of material for a proper examination, my New Zealand specimens there described having been all obtained in a month's tour. I have given descriptions here of all the species, in order to afford a sufficient base of operations for the New Zealand student, without other works; but in the case of species which I have already described elsewhere, I have not given quite the amount of detail which is necessary in a first description.


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Head rather rough; ocelli present; tongue short (rarely obsolete). Antennæ short. Maxillary palpi absent. Labial palpi rather stout, more or less porrected. Wings usually broad. Forewings with 12 veins (rarely 11 or 10, by coalescense of 7 and 8, and further of 3 and 4), 7 and 8 sometimes stalked, rest separate, vein 1 furcate at base (rarely one fork obsolete). Hindwings with 8 veins (sometimes 7 by coalescence of 3 and 4), 3 and 4 often stalked, sometimes separate, 6 and 7 often stalked.


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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, after carefully considering the reports submitted to the Congress by the Energy Information Administration, including the report submitted in February 2025, and other relevant factors, including global economic conditions, the level of spare capacity, and the availability of strategic reserves, I determine, pursuant to section 1245(d)(4)(B) and (C) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, Public Law 112–81, and consistent with prior determinations, that there is a sufficient supply of petroleum and petroleum products from countries other than Iran to permit a significant reduction in the volume of petroleum and petroleum products purchased from Iran by or through foreign financial institutions.

I will continue to monitor this situation closely.

The Secretary of State is authorized and directed to publish this determination in the ''Federal Register''.

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Mr. Hill told her Charley could come back to see us every summer. But somehow it seemed it never would be the same. Charley would never be ours again. It was terrible to think about when the time came for them to go. A letter came to Mr. Hill from his sister in Painesville, Ohio, asking if he could not bring the little sister, meaning me, that she would like to have a little girl to be with her two small children. She would send me to school and I would be near my brother. Then I could come home in the spring and go back another winter if all was agreeable. It was at last decided that I, too, should go the last trip of the steamer Michigan, in December.

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{{left sidenote|{{center inline|{{sm|Sunday 12.&lt;br /&gt;Monday 13.}}}}}}We spent the two next days in various rambles along the shores, in which we found many deep creeks towards the northern part, with marshes at the bottom, where wild-ducks and snipes resided in great plenty. These birds were more shy than we expected, which we soon learnt was owing to their being much pursued by the natives, who looked upon them as dainty bits. On the first of these days we were likewise entertained with another heeva or dramatic dance, by the same persons who had performed it before. It was in every respect the same with that which we saw on the 11th, only its duration was much shorter.

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THE ORIENT, 

A two-monthly Illustrated Journal in English, with a parallel translation in Roman Hindu- 
stani, with instructions how to master it at a sitting. A unique periodical, the only one of its 
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The object of this Journal is to place before the public the inner life of the East and West in 
a pleasing form, by means of Serials and Essays, reflections for leisure hours. 

The first number was issued December 1892. Annual subscription Rs. 6 for India and 
155. for abroad, including Postage. 

Orders may be sent to the Manager of &quot; The Orient,&quot; Education Society's Press, Byculla, 
Bombay. 

&quot; The Orient &quot; is a splendid medium for advertising. It reaches not only the upper 
classes, but the millions of India, who are fast acquiring a taste for the Roman character, and 
who principally are able to appreciate the information conveyed by means of advertisements. 

SEEDS! SEEDS!! SEEDS!!! 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. Importers of Garden Seeds. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. Importers of Garden Tools. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. Importers of Lawn Mowers. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. Importers of all Garden Sundries. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. get their Seeds every month from the largest seed farmers in the world. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO. hold the largest Stock of Garden Tools, Lawn Mowers, and all 

Garden Sundries. 
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Mowers, Garden Pumps, and other Garden Sundries post free on application. 

PALEKAR &amp; CO., ESPLANADE X ROAD, BOMBAY. 

CAPE GROWN 

FLOWER AND VEGETABLE SEEDS 

Possess greater vitality than those raised in either England or 
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results when sown in the warm climate of India on account of its 
similarity with that of the Cape of Good Hope. For this very reason 
the European vegetable seeds which are imported by all other dealers 
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The Seeds sold by me are all tested before selling, and prices are 
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PESTONJEE POCHAJEE POCHA, 

NO. 16 CAMA STREET, BOMBAY; 
BHAVANI PEITH, POONA. 

POLO! 

SEND FOR PRICE LISTS. ; 

SEND FOR PRICE LISTS. 

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Are those your own words—&quot;his honest, faithful wife&quot;?

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Certainly they are mine. Whose could they be? He loves me so much, the poor thing. Dear HE, what does “love” mean? Everybody speaks of love—love—Zinida, too! Poor Zinida! What a boring evening this has been! HE, did you paint the laughter on your face yourself?
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{{font-size|125%|''' Executive Order 11966 of January 19, 1977 '''}}

{{font-size|150%|''' Designating Certain Public International Organizations Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities '''}}


__NOTOC__
By virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), and as President of the United States of America, having found that the United States participates in the following organizations, it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. The International Development Association, in which the United States participates pursuant to the Act of Congress approved June 30, 1960 (74 Stat. 293, 22 U.S.C. 284) and the Articles of Agreement of the International Development Association (11 U.S.T. 2284, T.I.A.S. 4607), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act, provided that, this designation shall not affect in any way the applicability of Section 3, Article VIII, of the Articles of Agreement of the International Development Association.

SEC. 2. The International Centre for Settlement of In-vestment Disputes, in which the United States participates pursuant to the Act of Congress approved August 11, 1966 (80 Stat. 344, 22 U.S.C. 1650) and the Convention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes Between States and Nationals of Other States (17 U.S.T. 1270, T.I.A.S. 6090), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act.

SEC. 3. The International Telecommunications Satellite Organization (INTELSAT), in which the United States participates pursuant to the authority of the Communications Satellite Act of 1962 (76 Stat. 419, 47 U.S.C. 701-744) and in accord with the Agreement Relating to the International Telecommunications Satellite Organization (INTELSAT) and the Operating Agreement signed pursuant thereto (TIAS 7532), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act.

SEC. 4. Executive Order No. 11718 of May 14, 1973, is revoked.

SEC. 5. This Order shall be effective as of November 24, 1976.

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__NOTOC__
By virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), and as President of the United States of America, having found that the United States participates in the following organizations, it is hereby ordered as follows:

'''SECTION 1.''' The International Development Association, in which the United States participates pursuant to the Act of Congress approved June 30, 1960 (74 Stat. 293, 22 U.S.C. 284) and the Articles of Agreement of the International Development Association (11 U.S.T. 2284, T.I.A.S. 4607), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act, provided that, this designation shall not affect in any way the applicability of Section 3, Article VIII, of the Articles of Agreement of the International Development Association.

'''SEC. 2.''' The International Centre for Settlement of In-vestment Disputes, in which the United States participates pursuant to the Act of Congress approved August 11, 1966 (80 Stat. 344, 22 U.S.C. 1650) and the Convention on the Settlement of Investment Disputes Between States and Nationals of Other States (17 U.S.T. 1270, T.I.A.S. 6090), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act.

'''SEC. 3.''' The International Telecommunications Satellite Organization (INTELSAT), in which the United States participates pursuant to the authority of the Communications Satellite Act of 1962 (76 Stat. 419, 47 U.S.C. 701-744) and in accord with the Agreement Relating to the International Telecommunications Satellite Organization (INTELSAT) and the Operating Agreement signed pursuant thereto (TIAS 7532), is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act.

'''SEC. 4.''' Executive Order No. 11718 of May 14, 1973, is revoked.

'''SEC. 5.''' This Order shall be effective as of November 24, 1976.

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I. GIRLHOOD 1

II. WOMANHOOD 53

III. WAR 143

IV. THE BIRTH OF IRAQ 173

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      <text bytes="164" sha1="jgr6975ipnjrz3wutz04zk2cch2ae6w" xml:space="preserve">== Shepherd's Hotel ==

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Mother still was busy getting the rest of us ready to go. Mr. Crane was our neighbor. He came from the headlands near Fairport, Ohio. His daughter Elizabeth came with him and her brother to be their housekeeper. They owned a farm in Ohio. They were a large family and money could be earned easily at the island as the fish were so plenty. They came with several other Ohio families. Mr. Crane was coming back next season and I could return with them. Nearly all our summer people were gone. We had just two left and they were going on the last boat.

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John promised all and mother told me afterward she never could have lived through the winter only that John was so kind. He read them stories, and being a good singer, he sang his old native songs of Ireland. All was ready. Our trunks were packed. Mr. Crane's goods were on the dock. Fishing had been good and those who had not had their nets stolen were going home with money. There were about twenty families of the Gentiles to remain all winter at the settlement at Cable's dock. The rest went to their winter homes.

I was busy bidding my little playmates farewell, as the boat was expected every hour. At last the steamer was beside the dock. Elizabeth Crane had packed my trunk, as mother could not do it. I had my dolls packed and then took them out, saying to mother, &quot;I will leave my dolls so you can see them and you won't be so lonesome.&quot; When she could speak she said, &quot;Yes, leave the dolls. When I look at them I shall think you are near.&quot; So the dolls were left in their little beds covered up with their sheets and quilts just as I always put them to sleep. We all ate our dinner together. It was a sad, silent meal. Mr. Crane and Elizabeth were charged over and over again to take good care of me if I should be sick. They promised to do all they could for me. Mr. Crane said, &quot;I shall take care of your child as if she were my own.&quot; I said to John. &quot;Now who will go to England, Ireland and Scotland with you&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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My hand slipped from his into Elizabeth's. She led me over the gang-plank. My little dog had followed me. He put his paws upon my shoulder and was licking the tears off my face. Father called to him, but he would not leave me. The men carried him to father, the plank was pulled in, the paddles turned and we steamed away with those on the dock waving us good-by. Elizabeth took me up on deck where brother and I stood waving as long as we could see the old home where we had all been so happy together. We soon reached the harbor, we landed at the Point dock to take freight. Mr. McKinley had taken his family the trip before and gone to Ohio for the winter, his clerk taking charge of the business in his absence. His father, grandpa McKinley as we called him, came on board to go away for the winter. He was always so kind to us children and we all loved him. It was Sunday, but&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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We steamed away and soon could see nothing about us, as it was snowing and the sea was heavy. Our boat rolled and pitched about so no one could stand upon their feet. Jane, the cabin maid, took me to her private cabin and let me lie on her couch. As I lay there I began to realize I was leaving my home. It was dark, the lamps were lighted and I said, &quot;Oh I must go home. I can't leave father and mother.&quot; Elizabeth took me to her room, putting me in her berth. There I sobbed myself to sleep.

{{ph|AT MACKINAC ISLAND.}}

When I awakened we were at the dock at Mackinac Island. Everything was white with snow. The whole island looked like white marble. The damp snow had covered the trees. The fort on the hill looked so pretty where the snow was on the tops of the houses and chimneys. A flag waved over the fort. There were soldiers in their blue clothes walking up and down the fort hill. Dogs and ponies hitched to sleds with people dressed in fur coats, caps and mittens riding along the front street that reached round the pretty bay. The dock was full of people. Men, women and children nearly all speaking in French. There were a number of families going away on the last boat to their winter homes. Elizabeth took me ashore. We went into several stores and there I met old grandpa. I told him I was going to see Charley. He&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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At nine o'clock that evening we reached Fairport. It had been raining hard and the night was dark. We were ready to leave the boat. Jane, the cabin maid kissed me many times, saying, &quot;Now my dear child try not to be homesick and we hope to meet you in the spring and take you home with us.&quot; We stepped ashore, it seemed to me the dock was moving from under us, we had been over a week on the boat. Elizabeth was soon with her brothers and sisters who had come to meet her. She took my hand saying, &quot;This is my little friend, Eliza-&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And my pride?

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Have you any pride? [''The gentleman straightens up, and nods his head silently''.] Yes! But please stand off a little. I don’t like to look at you. Think of it. There was a time when I loved you a little, even thought you a little gifted! You—my empty shadow.

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You order me?

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Your obedient servant. Yes?

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Jack!

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The Democratic National Committee requested a declaratory ruling from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that the [[United States Code/Title 47/Chapter 5/Subchapter VI|Communications Act]] or the [[First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] precluded a licensee from having a general policy of refusing to sell time to &quot;responsible entities&quot; to present their views on public issues. The Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace filed a complaint with the FCC, alleging that a broadcaster had violated the First Amendment by refusing to sell it time to broadcast spot announcements expressing the group's views on the Vietnam conflict and that the station's coverage of antiwar views did not meet the requirements of the [[w:Fairness doctrine|Fairness Doctrine]]. The FCC rejected the Fairness Doctrine challenge and ruled that a broadcaster was not prohibited from having a policy of refusing to accept paid editorial advertisements by individuals and organizations like respondents. The Court of Appeals reversed, holding that &quot;a flat ban on paid public issue announcements is in violation of the First Amendment, at least when other sorts of paid announcements are accepted,&quot; and remanded the causes to the FCC to develop regulations governing which, and how many, editorial announcements would be aired.

''Held:'' Neither the Communications Act nor the First Amendment requires broadcasters to accept paid editorial advertisements. Pp. 101-114; 121-170.

146 U.S. App. D.C. 181, 450 F.2d 642, reversed.


MR. CHIEF JUSTICE BURGER delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and IV, finding that:

:1. The basic criterion governing use of broadcast frequencies is the right of the public to be informed; the manner by which this interest is best served is dispositive of the respondents' statutory and First Amendment contentions. Pp. 101-114.

::(a) In evaluating respondents' claims, great weight must be afforded the decisions of Congress and the experience of the FCC. Pp. 101-103.

::(b) Congress has consistently rejected efforts to impose on broadcasters a &quot;common carrier&quot; right of access for all persons wishing to speak out on public issues. Instead, it reposed in the FCC regulatory authority by which the Fairness Doctrine was evolved to require that the broadcaster's coverage of important public issues must be adequate and must fairly reflect differing viewpoints; thus, no private individual or group has a right to command the use of broadcast facilities. Pp. 103-114.

:2. The &quot;public interest&quot; standard of the Communications Act, which incorporates First Amendment principles, does not require broadcasters to accept editorial advertisements. Pp. 121-131.

::(a) The FCC was justified in concluding that the public interest in having access to the marketplace of &quot;ideas and experiences&quot; would not be served by ordering a right of access to advertising time. There is substantial risk that such a system would be monopolized by those who could and would pay the costs, that the effective operation of the Fairness Doctrine itself would be undermined, and that the public accountability which now rests with the broadcaster would be diluted. Pp. 121-125.

::(b) The difficult problems involved in implementing an absolute right of access would inevitably implicate the FCC in a case-by-case determination of who should be heard and when, thus enlarging the involvement of the Government in broadcasting operations. The FCC could properly take into account the fact that listeners and viewers constitute a kind of &quot;captive audience&quot; and that the public interest requires that a substantial degree of journalistic discretion must remain with broadcasters. Pp. 126-130.

THE CHIEF JUSTICE, joined by MR. JUSTICE STEWART and MR. JUSTICE REHNQUIST, concluded, in Part III, that a broadcast licensee's refusal to accept a paid editorial advertisement does not constitute &quot;governmental action&quot; for First Amendment purposes. The Government is neither a &quot;partner&quot; to the action complained of nor engaged in a &quot;symbiotic relationship&quot; with the licensee. Pp. 114-121.

:(a) Under the Communications Act a broadcast licensee is vested with substantial journalistic discretion in deciding how to meet its statutory obligations as a &quot;public trustee.&quot; Pp. 114-117.

:(b) The licensee's policy against accepting editorial advertising is compatible with the Communications Act and with the broadcaster's obligation to provide a balanced treatment of controversial questions. Pp. 118-121.

:(c) The FCC has not fostered the licensee policy against accepting editorial advertisements; it has merely declined to command acceptance because the subject was a matter within the area of journalistic discretion. P. 118.


BURGER, C.J., announced the Court's judgment and delivered an opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and IV, in which WHITE, BLACKMUN, POWELL, and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined, and in which as to Parts I, II, and III STEWART and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined. STEWART, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and III, ''post'', p. 132. WHITE, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and IV, ''post'', p. 146. BLACKMUN, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and IV, in which POWELL, J., joined, ''post'', p. 147. DOUGLAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, ''post'', p. 148. BRENNAN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which MARSHALL, J., joined, ''post'', p. 170.


''J. Roger Wollenberg'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-863. With him on the briefs were ''Lloyd N. Cutler, Timothy B. Dyk, Daniel Marcus, Robert V. Evans, John D. Appel'', and ''Joseph DeFranco. Solicitor General Griswold'' argued the cause for petitioners in No. 71-864. With him on the brief were ''Acting Assistant Attorney General Comegys, Howard E. Shapiro'', and ''John W. Pettit. Ernest W. Jennes'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-865. With him on the briefs were ''Charles A. Miller'' and ''Michael Boudin. Vernon L. Wilkinson'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-866. With him on the brief were ''James A. McKenna, Jr.'', and ''Carl R. Ramey.''

''Joseph A. Califano, Jr.'', argued the cause for respondent Democratic National Committee in Nos. 71-863, 71-864, and 71-866. With him on the brief was ''John G. Kester. Thomas R. Asher'' argued the cause for respondent Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace in Nos. 71-864 and 71-865. With him on the brief was ''Albert H. Kramer''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt;


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;Together with Nos. 71-864, ''Federal Communications Commission et al. v. Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace et al.''; 71-865, ''Post-Newsweek Stations, Capital Area, Inc. v. Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace''; and 71-886, ''American Broadcasting Cos., Inc. v. Democratic National Committee'', also on certiorari to the same court.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;''Floyd Abrams'' and ''Corydon B. Dunham'' filed a brief for National Broadcasting Co., Inc., as ''amicus curiae'' urging reversal.
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''J. Albert Woll, Laurence Gold'', and ''Thomas B. Harris'' filed a brief for the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance.
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The Democratic National Committee requested a declaratory ruling from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that the [[United States Code/Title 47/Chapter 5/Subchapter VI|Communications Act]] or the [[First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] precluded a licensee from having a general policy of refusing to sell time to &quot;responsible entities&quot; to present their views on public issues. The Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace filed a complaint with the FCC, alleging that a broadcaster had violated the First Amendment by refusing to sell it time to broadcast spot announcements expressing the group's views on the Vietnam conflict and that the station's coverage of antiwar views did not meet the requirements of the [[w:Fairness doctrine|Fairness Doctrine]]. The FCC rejected the Fairness Doctrine challenge and ruled that a broadcaster was not prohibited from having a policy of refusing to accept paid editorial advertisements by individuals and organizations like respondents. The Court of Appeals reversed, holding that &quot;a flat ban on paid public issue announcements is in violation of the First Amendment, at least when other sorts of paid announcements are accepted,&quot; and remanded the causes to the FCC to develop regulations governing which, and how many, editorial announcements would be aired.

''Held:'' Neither the Communications Act nor the First Amendment requires broadcasters to accept paid editorial advertisements. Pp. 101-114; 121-170.

146 U.S. App. D.C. 181, 450 F.2d 642, reversed.


MR. CHIEF JUSTICE BURGER delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and IV, finding that:

:1. The basic criterion governing use of broadcast frequencies is the right of the public to be informed; the manner by which this interest is best served is dispositive of the respondents' statutory and First Amendment contentions. Pp. 101-114.

::(a) In evaluating respondents' claims, great weight must be afforded the decisions of Congress and the experience of the FCC. Pp. 101-103.

::(b) Congress has consistently rejected efforts to impose on broadcasters a &quot;common carrier&quot; right of access for all persons wishing to speak out on public issues. Instead, it reposed in the FCC regulatory authority by which the Fairness Doctrine was evolved to require that the broadcaster's coverage of important public issues must be adequate and must fairly reflect differing viewpoints; thus, no private individual or group has a right to command the use of broadcast facilities. Pp. 103-114.

:2. The &quot;public interest&quot; standard of the Communications Act, which incorporates First Amendment principles, does not require broadcasters to accept editorial advertisements. Pp. 121-131.

::(a) The FCC was justified in concluding that the public interest in having access to the marketplace of &quot;ideas and experiences&quot; would not be served by ordering a right of access to advertising time. There is substantial risk that such a system would be monopolized by those who could and would pay the costs, that the effective operation of the Fairness Doctrine itself would be undermined, and that the public accountability which now rests with the broadcaster would be diluted. Pp. 121-125.

::(b) The difficult problems involved in implementing an absolute right of access would inevitably implicate the FCC in a case-by-case determination of who should be heard and when, thus enlarging the involvement of the Government in broadcasting operations. The FCC could properly take into account the fact that listeners and viewers constitute a kind of &quot;captive audience&quot; and that the public interest requires that a substantial degree of journalistic discretion must remain with broadcasters. Pp. 126-130.

THE CHIEF JUSTICE, joined by MR. JUSTICE STEWART and MR. JUSTICE REHNQUIST, concluded, in Part III, that a broadcast licensee's refusal to accept a paid editorial advertisement does not constitute &quot;governmental action&quot; for First Amendment purposes. The Government is neither a &quot;partner&quot; to the action complained of nor engaged in a &quot;symbiotic relationship&quot; with the licensee. Pp. 114-121.

:(a) Under the Communications Act a broadcast licensee is vested with substantial journalistic discretion in deciding how to meet its statutory obligations as a &quot;public trustee.&quot; Pp. 114-117.

:(b) The licensee's policy against accepting editorial advertising is compatible with the Communications Act and with the broadcaster's obligation to provide a balanced treatment of controversial questions. Pp. 118-121.

:(c) The FCC has not fostered the licensee policy against accepting editorial advertisements; it has merely declined to command acceptance because the subject was a matter within the area of journalistic discretion. P. 118.


BURGER, C.J., announced the Court's judgment and delivered an opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II, and IV, in which WHITE, BLACKMUN, POWELL, and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined, and in which as to Parts I, II, and III STEWART and REHNQUIST, JJ., joined. STEWART, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and III, ''post'', p. 132. WHITE, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and IV, ''post'', p. 146. BLACKMUN, J., filed an opinion concurring in Parts I, II, and IV, in which POWELL, J., joined, ''post'', p. 147. DOUGLAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, ''post'', p. 148. BRENNAN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which MARSHALL, J., joined, ''post'', p. 170.


''J. Roger Wollenberg'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-863. With him on the briefs were ''Lloyd N. Cutler, Timothy B. Dyk, Daniel Marcus, Robert V. Evans, John D. Appel'', and ''Joseph DeFranco. Solicitor General Griswold'' argued the cause for petitioners in No. 71-864. With him on the brief were ''Acting Assistant Attorney General Comegys, Howard E. Shapiro'', and ''John W. Pettit. Ernest W. Jennes'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-865. With him on the briefs were ''Charles A. Miller'' and ''Michael Boudin. Vernon L. Wilkinson'' argued the cause for petitioner in No. 71-866. With him on the brief were ''James A. McKenna, Jr.'', and ''Carl R. Ramey.''

''Joseph A. Califano, Jr.'', argued the cause for respondent Democratic National Committee in Nos. 71-863, 71-864, and 71-866. With him on the brief was ''John G. Kester. Thomas R. Asher'' argued the cause for respondent Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace in Nos. 71-864 and 71-865. With him on the brief was ''Albert H. Kramer''.&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;/&gt;


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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref1&quot;&gt;Together with Nos. 71-864, ''Federal Communications Commission et al. v. Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace et al.''; 71-865, ''Post-Newsweek Stations, Capital Area, Inc. v. Business Executives' Move for Vietnam Peace''; and 71-886, ''American Broadcasting Cos., Inc. v. Democratic National Committee'', also on certiorari to the same court.
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&lt;ref name=&quot;ref2&quot;&gt;''Floyd Abrams'' and ''Corydon B. Dunham'' filed a brief for National Broadcasting Co., Inc., as ''amicus curiae'' urging reversal.
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''J. Albert Woll, Laurence Gold'', and ''Thomas B. Harris'' filed a brief for the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations as ''amicus curiae'' urging affirmance.
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She got a nephew in Vallejo?”

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{{di|R}}{{sc|olly}} and I went back to my room, closing the connecting door. He said:


“Tch, tch, tch. I’d of thought Mrs. Herman was the last person in the world to{{ld}}”

“You ought to’ve,” I grumbled. “You recommended her. Who is she?”

“She’s Tod Herman’s wife. He’s got the garage. She used to be a trained nurse before she married Tod. I thought she was all right.”

She got a nephew in Vallejo?”

“Uh-huh; that would be the Schultz kid that works at Mare Island. How do you suppose she come to get mixed up in{{ld}}?”

“Probably didn’t, or she would have had the writing paper she went after. Put somebody here to keep people out till we can borrow a San Francisco bomb-expert to look it over.”

The deputy called one of the men in from the corridor, and we left him looking important in the room. Mickey Linehan was in the lobby when we got there.

“Fink’s got a cracked skull. He’s on his way to the county hospital with the other wreck.”

“Fitzstephan dead yet?” I asked.

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“Was Aaronia Haldorn sprung with Fink?” I aaked.

“Yes. Al Mason’s tailing her.”

“Call wp the Old Man and see if Al’s reported anything on her. Tell the Old Man what’s happened here, and see if they’ve found Andrews.”

“Andrews?” Rolly asked as Mickey headed for the phone. “What’s the matter with him?”

“Nothing that I know of; only we haven’t been able to find him to tell him Mrs. Collinson has been rescued. His office hasn’t seen him since yesterday morning, and nobody will say they know where he is.”

“Tch, tch, tch. Is there any special reason for wanting him?”

“T don’t want her on my hands the rest of my life,” I said. “He’s in charge of her affairs, he’s responsible for her, and I want to turn her over to him.”

Rolly nodded vaguely.

We went outside and asked all the people we could find all the questions we could think of. None of the answers led anywhere, except to repeated assurance that the bomb hadn’t been chucked through the window. We found six people who had been in sight of that side of the hotel immediately before, and at the time of, the explosion; and none of them had seen anything that could be twisted into bearing on the bomb-throwing.

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The last link that reminded me of my island home was gone. Oh it was terrible! I tried to run after him to call him back. I wanted to say come back, come back and take me to your home. I could not speak, I could not move, never while life lasts can I forget how I felt when I saw Mr. Crane driving away in the carriage. I was among entire strangers in a strange land. A child of seven and a half years of age. The lady said, &quot;Come to the fire you must be cold.&quot; She then took my cloak and hood. I sat down in a little chair. She went about the house at her work, never speaking to me. All was silent and quiet. In a little while the two little children, one a boy of three, the other a year old, just walking, came to me. The oldest brought me some toys and put in my hands, never speaking. Then the youngest came and put his little face up to mine. I kissed him, which seemed to please him, and soon I took him on my lap, where he soon fell asleep, while the other child was sitting quietly beside me on the floor playing with his toys. The lady took the child and laid him on the bed saying, &quot;Do you like children?&quot; I answered, &quot;Yes Ma'm.&quot; It was the first word I had spoken since I entered the house. She took her sewing and never spoke. Oh how long the time seemed! I cannot tell how I felt. No tears&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|MR. MILTON A. SHEPARD.}}

Soon the door opened and a man came in. The children cried, &quot;Papa.&quot; He kissed the children saying, &quot;Who is this little girl?&quot; His wife told him, &quot;This is the little island girl we expected.&quot; He took my hand, saying, &quot;I am glad to see you, But wife what a little midget she is.&quot; He was a kind looking man with black hair and eyes. Supper was on the table. I was placed near the children. I tried to eat, but I could not swallow. The food stuck in my throat. Mr. Shepard noticed I did not eat, so he asked me if I would like some milk. I answered, &quot;Yes, sir.&quot; Mrs. Shepard told him there was none only what the children had. I said. &quot;Never mind,&quot; but little Henry gave me his cup full. I managed to drink it. When the meal was over I asked if I should do the dishes. &quot;Not tonight, but tomorrow,&quot; she said. Mr. Shepard asked me a few questions about my island home, which was the only time in all my stay that my home or my parents were ever mentioned to me.

{{ph|HOMESICK.}}

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{{ph|MEETING BROTHER CHARLEY.}}

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Mr. Shepard had gone to the post-office. A carriage drove up and stopped before our door. A lady came quickly in. I looked and saw it was Aunt Margaret, Mr. Crane's sister. I threw my arms about her, saying, &quot;I am so glad to see you. Will you take me home?&quot; She said, &quot;Do you want to go?&quot; &quot;Yes, I want to go.&quot; She turned to Mrs. Shepard saying, &quot;I see you are moving. I am Mr. Crane's sister. He was not able to see this child this winter. He sent me as the time is drawing near when my brother returns to the Island. He promised this child's father to bring her back if she wants to go.&quot; Mrs. Shepard told her she would have no interference and would keep me. &quot;No.&quot; said Aunt Margaret, &quot;Your letter reads the child could go home and come again if all was agreeable. And she says she wants to go and I shall take her. Elizabeth get your things on.&quot; I just flew I got my trunk, the lady putting it into the carriage. I was following her when Mrs. Shepard said, &quot;Child aren't you going to kiss me and the children?&quot; I put my arms about her neck, kissing her and caught the children in my arms with a hug and a kiss, then ran to the carriage.

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We soon started for the Headlands once again. The horses hoofs clattered over the road to Fairport. We crossed the river, and in a short time were at Mr. Crane's house, where all the family met me with greetings of love. I entered school; Miss Marion Brooks was my teacher. I was at the Headlands three weeks when a letter came from the Captain of the steamboat Michigan to be ready at a certain date to meet the boat at Fairport. Mr. Crane made preparations, and on the date mentioned in the letter we were all in Fairport to take the steamboat. My brother had come from Cleveland.

{{ph|HOMEWARD BOUND ON STEAMBOAT MICHIGAN.}}

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The Captain said to me, &quot;Little girl did you get lots of patience this winter?&quot; At first I could not remember what he meant. Then it flashed through my mind and I answered, &quot;Yes sir.&quot; He said, &quot;Well child, I told you this old steamboat would carry you home and now you will soon be there.&quot; Jane was glad to see us all again, the tears ran down her face when I told her how homesick I was and what a comfort my Jane had been to me. It was pleasant enough for us to be on deck after we left Detroit. We stopped at almost every port. Lake Huron was calm and quiet this time with just a ripple on Saginaw Bay, but we could feel the motion of big swells, which sent many to their state rooms.

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We had now left the dock and again there was waving and singing on the dock to cheer us on our way. Our boat moved out past Round Island. There were great blocks of drifting ice on every side. Near the little island of St. Helena we almost stopped to keep clear of the ice. We steamed past Hog Island, with little Hat Island looking white with ice packed about it. Over to the northward was all ice, which had not yet broken to drift. We soon were at the McKinley dock at the harbor; freight was taken on for Green Bay, again the &quot;all aboard&quot; was called and we steamed along past Big Sand Bay. We could see all the little homes that would soon be occupied by summer people.

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{{ph|A MOTHER'S LONGING TO SEE HER BOY.}}

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Life was busy; our summer people were with us. Elizabeth Crane had left us never to return. Mr. Angel and she were married at Mackinac Island. When the boat came back her sister Jennie, a beautiful girl of nineteen, came to remain until fall, when she, too, married Mr. James Corlette of the Headlands. Mr. Crane, with others, left the island early in September, as the Mormons had taken every boat along the shore below Cable's dock, with the nets from the lake and fish from their fish houses. They left the island, never&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{ph|MENOMINEE INDIAN FAMILY.}}

Sometime in June there came a canoe of Indians to our shore. They made their camp near us. Mother went to see them. When she came home she told us they were Menominee Indians come to fish for a time. They had been over to Cross Village visiting some friends. Their home was in Green Bay county. There were two small children, the Indian and his wife. The Indian woman was a pretty woman with jet black hair cut straight across the forehead, this being the fashion with Menominee squaws. Their wigwam was always nice and clean. She was a nice sewer, piecing pretty bed quilts, which always looked clean. Often when mother got in a hurry with her work she hired the Indian woman to scrub and wash, and other times to do some sewing. She was always smiling, showing her pretty white teeth.

One morning when I awoke I found father and Mr. Dora, a neighbor, had gone to Mackinac Island. They were gone about three days. When they came home father had clothing for mother which Mr. Cable did not keep in his store. Among the rest was a great quantity of bright colored glass beads and many yards of colored ribbon, which she put away in her trunk, saying to me, &quot;Do not speak about what I have put away.&quot; Mother and the Indian woman were often together speaking softly, so I never knew what they said.&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Soon after father's return mother said to me, &quot;Elizabeth I want you to let all your other work alone and string beads for me.&quot; I was delighted, for if there was anything I loved to do it was to string the pretty colored beads. So I began at once, each color on a strong thread. After stringing a great quantity in this way, then I made many strings in different colors, mixing the beads. As much as I enjoyed it I got very tired, and whenever I went to the camp the little Indian children were stringing beads and their mother was sewing, making deerskin moccasins, on which she sewed the beads, which were so pretty when finished. She made many pairs of them. Sometimes the Indian woman came to our house, helping mother and me to string the beads, which she did so fast, and talked so pleasantly in her own language, mother speaking her language as well as the other tribes' that lived around us. There were several camps of Chippewa Indians that lived along the shore that helped the fishermen clean their fish, and the women made oil from the fish refuse which sold for one dollar a gallon or more, according to quality. Most of these Indians came from Garden Island.

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Thorax smooth (rarely crested). Antennæ shortly ciliated in male. Palpi rather short, porrected, densely rough-scaled above and generally beneath, often tufted beneath. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings hardly broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 stalked, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point or stalked, 5 approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

Immediately distinguished from the other genera with veins 7 and 8 of the forewings stalked, by the absence of the costal fold in male. Only one New Zealand species is known, but the genus is well represented in Australia.

{{c|1. ''Dich. luciplagana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]

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Media, alis ant. dilutissime ochreis, triangulo costæ magno saturate fusco, spatio incluso semiovali sæpius albo, macula marginis postici elongata ciliisque saturate fuscis; post. albidis, apice leviter ochreo.

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A very distinct species, apparently allied to the Australian ''D. isoscelana'', Meyr.

Tolerably common at Blenheim, Christchurch, and Dunedin, in January and February.


{{c|2. {{sc|Capua}}, [[Author:James Francis Stephens|Stph.]]}}

Thorax smooth or slightly crested. Antennæ ciliated in male. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold, often concealing an expansible tuft of hairs. Hindwings somewhat broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 stalked, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point or stalked, 5 somewhat approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

Differs essentially from ''Dichelia'' only by the costal fold. Rather numerous in Australia, but there is only one New Zealand species.

{{c|2. ''Cap. semiferana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Parva, alis ant. griseo-ochreis rufisve, striga disci obliqua prope basim nigrescente, fascia media angusta perobliqua saturate fusca, strigam discinigram includente, macula costæ ante apicem triangulari fusca cum fascia sæpius conjuncta, omnibus interdum obsoletis; post. griseis.

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Having already organized a band of forty thieves, these men were being trained to go out and do all the robbing from the Gentiles they saw fit to do. The two men who headed the band were brothers and were large and powerful men, Isaac and John Pierce. They were well suited to do such work. The place they chose to secrete their stolen goods was a long point at the lower end of Beaver Island, distant about three miles from the harbor. This place was called by them &quot;Rocky Mountain Point.&quot; Being an out-of-the-way place they would not be seen secreting much of their plunder.

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One night I was awakened out of a sound sleep by hearing footsteps in the room. I opened my eyes and saw mother with the Indian woman and another woman going up stairs. I waited sometime for them to come down, but fell asleep before they came. I was awakened again. There was a very dim light in the room. I saw a tall Indian who&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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I waited some little time, and hearing nothing I got frightened, thinking father and mother had gone away and left me, I got up, ran out of doors and met mother. She took a blanket from my bed, saying, &quot;Come Elizabeth and see the Menominee Indians, they are going away. They must go home and see to their crops and cannot stay here any longer.&quot; I said, &quot;Where did the other two come from?&quot; She made a quick motion, putting her hand over her mouth, which I understood was to be silent and ask no questions. We were both speaking in French. I followed her to the beach, where a large birch bark canoe was packed. I saw&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A very variable species, in size, colour, and irregular intensity of markings, in some of its forms closely approaching the Australian ''C. chimerinana'', Meyr.

Probably everywhere abundant; occurs at Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch, Akaroa, and Dunedin, either in bush, on open grassy places, or on coast sandhills, from November to April. I have also found worn specimens in August, probably hybernated.


{{c|3. {{sc|Pyrgotis}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax crested. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 stalked, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 closely approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

Separated from ''Capua'' by the distinct origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings, and from ''Adoxophyes'' by the thoracic crest. There are two New Zealand species, besides which there is only one other known, from Australia.

{{c|3. ''Pyrg. plagiatana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]

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''Male, female''.—15–19 mm. Head and thorax whitish-ochreous. Forewings triangular, costa slightly arched, apex produced, hindmargin sinuate, oblique; whitish, more or less suffused with pale ochreous-yellowish, and coarsely strigulated with darker ochreous; markings ochreous-fuscous or dark fuscous, irregularly variable in intensity; a sharply angulated fascia near base, upper half often nearly obsolete; inner margin sometimes suffused with dark fuscous; central fascia straight, narrow, from ⅓ of costa to ⅔ of inner margin; an inwardly oblique narrow streak from costa before apex, dilated and enclosing a pale spot on costa, uniting with central fascia near inner margin, so as to enclose a large pale costal triangle, sometimes white; a large irregular roundish blotch on lower half of hindmargin, sometimes confluent above with the streak from costa; a subapical streak&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A very variable species, in size, colour, and irregular intensity of markings, in some of its forms closely approaching the Australian ''C. chimerinana'', Meyr.

Probably everywhere abundant; occurs at Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch, Akaroa, and Dunedin, either in bush, on open grassy places, or on coast sandhills, from November to April. I have also found worn specimens in August, probably hybernated.


{{c|3. {{sc|Pyrgotis}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax crested. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 stalked, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 closely approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

Separated from ''Capua'' by the distinct origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings, and from ''Adoxophyes'' by the thoracic crest. There are two New Zealand species, besides which there is only one other known, from Australia.

{{c|3. ''Pyrg. plagiatana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}

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It was eight years afterward when I learned just who it was that stole away on that quiet morning in the bark canoe. I was living for a short time in the Green Bay country. I was invited out one afternoon to a quilting party. The men were to come for supper and a lady was to play for&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Variable in intensity of colouring, the female apparently darker than the male; easily known from the next species by its larger size and much lighter ground-colour.

Larva moderate, cylindrical, slightly tapering at each end; pale whitish-grey-greenish, becoming darker smoky-grey on back; head and plate of second segment, when young, black, when full-grown greenish-ochreous. Feeds between joined leaves of oak (''Quercus robur''), gnawing numerous holes, and forming a loose silken gallery for shelter. Pupa in a thin silken cocoon in same position. I found these larvæ plentiful in April, and bred a female indoors in June. The food-plant being imported, the larva is probaby polyphagous.

Common at Dunedin, Christchurch, and Wellington, probably very generally distributed; in January, and again in April and May.

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Minor, alis ant. brunneis, plumbeo-strigulatis, partim nigro-suffusis, striga obscura albida posteriori in apicem percurrente; post griseis.

''Male'', 14 mm.—Head, palpi, and thorax reddish-fuscous mixed with dark fuscous. Antennæ grey, annulated with blackish. Abdomen grey. Legs grey-whitish, anterior and middle tibiæ and tarsi and apical joints of posterior tarsi suffused with dark fuscous, except at apex of joints. Forewings moderate, posteriorly dilated, costa moderately arched, hindmargin sinuate, oblique; rather dark reddish-ochreous-fuscous, mixed with dark fuscous, and coarsely strigulated throughout with leaden-grey; costa and inner margin shortly strigulated with blackish; an indistinct blackish suffusion in disc near base, and another in disc towards apex; an indistinct slender streak of grey-whitish scales from near inner margin before anal angle to apex, where it is suffusedly dilated: cilia reddish-fuscous mixed with dark fuscous. Hindwings grey; cilia whitish-grey, with two indistinct darker lines.

Differing widely from the preceding in the fuscous ground-colour, leaden strigulations, grey hindwings, and small size.

One specimen taken amongst bush near Christchurch in March.


{{c|4. {{sc|Adoxophyes}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate or rather long, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 stalked, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.
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{{c|5. ''Adox. lotinana'', n. sp.}}

Media, alis ant. dilute oehreis, costæ dimidio anteriori dorsoque auguste fuscis, margine postico late fusco-suffuso, plumbeo-strigulato, fascia media perobliqua fusca dimidium non superante, ciliis albis; post. griseis.

''Male'', 17 mm.; ''female'', 21 mm.—Head and thorax light ochreous. Palpi elongate, light ochreous, externally suffused with dark fuscous. Antennæ light ochreous, sharply annulated with dark fuscous. Abdomen whitish-ochreous. Legs whitish-ochreous, anterior and middle tibiæ and tarsi suffused with dark fuscous, except at apex of joints. Forewings moderate, in male triangular, in female more oblong, costa gently arched, hindmargin straight, rather oblique, rounded beneath; light ochreous; inner margin and anterior half of costa narrow suffused with dark fuscous, mixed with reddish fuscous; hindmargin broadly suffused with reddish-fuscous, indistinctly strigulated with leaden-grey, the veins remaining pale-ochreous: posterior half of costa strigulated with dark fuscous; a very oblique moderately broad ill-defined reddish-fuscous streak from costa before middle, hardly reaching half across wing: cilia white, with a dark fuscous basal line. Hindwings grey, lighter in female; cilia whitish, with a grey basal line.

Separable from the next species by the darker hindwings, almost wholly white cilia of forewings, and larger size.

The larva feeds on ''Arundo conspicua'' (&quot;toi grass&quot;), but I do not know in what manner. Mr. R. W. Fereday informs me that he bred the species from conspicuous firm white cocoons, attached openly to the surface of the leaves.

Mr. Fereday obtained several specimens in this manner near Christchurch, and I am indebted to him for my types.

{{c|6. ''Adox. conditana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}

{{center or HI|(''Teras conditana'', Walk., Brit. Mus. Cat., 306; ''Pandemis gavisana'', ibid., 312; ''Conchylis marginana'', ibid., 371; ? ''Rhacodia rureana'', Feld., Reis. Nov., pl. CXXXVII., 47; ''Teras flavescens'', Butl., Proc. Z. L. S., 1877, 402; ''Pyrgotis porphyreana'', Meyr., Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W., 1881, 443; ''Capua aoristana'', ibid., 446.}}}}

Minor, alis ant. dilute vel saturate ochreis griseisve, interdum fusco-suffusis, linea transversa angulata prope basim, fascia media obliqua, maculaque costali saturatioribus, ciliorum dimidio basali migrescente; post. M. griseis, F. albis.
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{{c|5. ''Adox. lotinana'', n. sp.}}

Media, alis ant. dilute oehreis, costæ dimidio anteriori dorsoque auguste fuscis, margine postico late fusco-suffuso, plumbeo-strigulato, fascia media perobliqua fusca dimidium non superante, ciliis albis; post. griseis.

''Male'', 17 mm.; ''female'', 21 mm.—Head and thorax light ochreous. Palpi elongate, light ochreous, externally suffused with dark fuscous. Antennæ light ochreous, sharply annulated with dark fuscous. Abdomen whitish-ochreous. Legs whitish-ochreous, anterior and middle tibiæ and tarsi suffused with dark fuscous, except at apex of joints. Forewings moderate, in male triangular, in female more oblong, costa gently arched, hindmargin straight, rather oblique, rounded beneath; light ochreous; inner margin and anterior half of costa narrow suffused with dark fuscous, mixed with reddish fuscous; hindmargin broadly suffused with reddish-fuscous, indistinctly strigulated with leaden-grey, the veins remaining pale-ochreous: posterior half of costa strigulated with dark fuscous; a very oblique moderately broad ill-defined reddish-fuscous streak from costa before middle, hardly reaching half across wing: cilia white, with a dark fuscous basal line. Hindwings grey, lighter in female; cilia whitish, with a grey basal line.

Separable from the next species by the darker hindwings, almost wholly white cilia of forewings, and larger size.

The larva feeds on ''Arundo conspicua'' (&quot;toi grass&quot;), but I do not know in what manner. Mr. R. W. Fereday informs me that he bred the species from conspicuous firm white cocoons, attached openly to the surface of the leaves.

Mr. Fereday obtained several specimens in this manner near Christchurch, and I am indebted to him for my types.

{{c|6. ''Adox. conditana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}

{{center or HI|{{fine block|(''Teras conditana'', Walk., Brit. Mus. Cat., 306; ''Pandemis gavisana'', ibid., 312; ''Conchylis marginana'', ibid., 371; ? ''Rhacodia rureana'', Feld., Reis. Nov., pl. CXXXVII., 47; ''Teras flavescens'', Butl., Proc. Z. L. S., 1877, 402; ''Pyrgotis porphyreana'', Meyr., Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W., 1881, 443; ''Capua aoristana'', ibid., 446.}}}}

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The variability of this species is extraordinary, the sexes being also very different, and the various forms can hardly be included in a single description. From the preceding species the female is immediately distinguishable by the white hindwings and different form, the male by the conspicuous dark basal half of the cilia of forewings, the usually perceptible basal patch and costal spot, and the much smaller size.

Larva moderate, cylindrical, slightly tapering at both ends; pale greyish-green, spots concolorous; head pale greyish-ochreous, lateral margins dark fuscous, mouth spotted with dark fuscous; second segment greenish-whitish, with an ochreous-tinged dorsal plate; anal segment greenish-whitish, with a&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Occurs commonly at Christchurch, Nelson, Dunedin, Wellington, and Auckland, in January, and again in March and April; during the latter months I also found the larvæ feeding, from which imagos emerged in April. The species flies abundantly over its food-plant for a short time about sunset, and I have also taken it at light. It is to be regretted that I should have fallen into the error of adding to the already too numerous synonyms of the species, misled by its extreme variability. I was also wrong in imagining the existence of a thoracic crest, often a difficult character to observe; the species is therefore not referable to ''Pyrgotis''.

{{c|5. {{sc|Proselena}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with costa simple. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 parallel or approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 stalked.

Differs from the preceding genera by the separation of veins 7 and 8 of the forewings, from ''Harmologa'' by the absence of the costal fold, from ''Tortrix'' by the separation of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings. I have thought it best to widen the original definition of this genus, (founded on a single species), by not insisting on the parallelism of veins 3, 4, 5 of the hindwings; these differ much in relative direction, but the differences are probably incapable of definition, and insufficient for generic distinction. As thus established the genus includes two described Australian species, (I have a third unpublished), and three are now added to it from New Zealand, of which number one was formerly erroneously referred to ''Tortrix''.

These three species may be thus tabulated:—

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Parva, alis ant. albido-griseis, macula basali triauguloque costæ magno castaneis, fusco-marginatis; post. griseis.

''Male.''—13 mm. Head, palpi, and thorax whitish-grey, somewhat mixed with fuscous (but damaged). Antennæ whitish-grey (?). Abdomen whitish-grey. Legs whitish-grey, anterior and middle pair suffused with dark fuscous except at apex of joints. Forewings oblong, rather narrow,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{c|5. {{sc|Proselena}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with costa simple. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 parallel or approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 stalked.

Differs from the preceding genera by the separation of veins 7 and 8 of the forewings, from ''Harmologa'' by the absence of the costal fold, from ''Tortrix'' by the separation of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings. I have thought it best to widen the original definition of this genus, (founded on a single species), by not insisting on the parallelism of veins 3, 4, 5 of the hindwings; these differ much in relative direction, but the differences are probably incapable of definition, and insufficient for generic distinction. As thus established the genus includes two described Australian species, (I have a third unpublished), and three are now added to it from New Zealand, of which number one was formerly erroneously referred to ''Tortrix''.

These three species may be thus tabulated:—

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she was dead. 

Then they felt very sad on her account and asked each other, “What shall we do about her?” They thought of all kinds of schemes, 
and at last hit upon a plan. Then they went home, filled a bladder 
full of blood, and went out to the halibut fishing ground. The elder 
brother let his younger brother down on a line, but before he got 
far he lost his breath and had to be pulled up. So the elder brother 
prepared himself. He put on his sister's dress, took his knife and 
the bladder full of blood, and got safely to the bottom. When he 
arrived there he found himself in front of a house. Some one came 
out to look and then said to the chief inside, &amp;quot;Has your wife come 
out to see you?&amp;quot; They thought it was the dead woman. So the 
halibut chief said, &amp;quot;Tell her to come in,&amp;quot; and he married her. 

At this time the friends of the young man were vainly endeavoring 
to catch halibut, and he could see their hooks. Instead of coming 
into the houses these would fall around on the outside. They tried 
all kinds of hooks of native manufacture, but the only one that succeeded was Raven-backbone-hook (Yel-tu dAq!e), which came right in through the smoke hole. 

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Now, though the jackal was dead, he had left two sons behind him, every whit as cunning and tricky as their father. The elder of the two was a fine handsome creature, who had a pleasant manner and made many friends. The animal he saw most of was a hyena; and one day, when they were taking a walk together, they picked up a beautiful green cloak, which had evidently been dropped by some one riding across the plain on a camel. Of course each wanted to have it, and they almost quarrelled over the matter; but at length it was settled that the hyena should wear the cloak by day and the jackal by night. After a little while, however, the jackal became discontented with this arrangement, declaring that none of his friends, who were quite different from those of the hyena, could see the splendour of the mantle, and that it was only fair that he should sometimes be allowed to wear it by day. To this the hyena would by no means consent, and they were on the eve of a quarrel when the hyena proposed that they should ask the lion to judge between them. The jackal agreed to this, and the hyena wrapped the cloak about him, and they both trotted off to the lion’s den.

The jackal, who was fond of talking, at once told the story; and when it was finished the lion turned to the hyena and asked if it was true.

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There was silence for a few moments, and then the lion sat up, looking very great and wise.

‘My judgment is that the garment shall belong wholly to whoever first rings the bell of the nearest mosque at dawn to-morrow. Now go; for much business awaits me!’


All that night the hyena sat up, fearing lest the jackal should reach the bell before him, for the mosque was close at hand. With the first streak of dawn he bounded away to the bell, just as the jackal, who had slept soundly all night, was rising to his feet.

‘Good luck to you,’ cried the jackal. And throwing the cloak over his back he darted away across the plain, and was seen no more by his friend the hyena.

After running several miles the jackal thought he was safe from pursuit, and seeing a lion and another hyena talking together, he strolled up to join them.

‘Good morning,’ he said; ‘may I ask what is the matter? You seem very serious about something.’

‘Pray sit down,’ answered the lion. ‘We were wondering in which direction we should go to find the best dinner. The hyena wishes to go to the forest, and I to the mountains. What do you say?’

‘Well, as I was sauntering over the plain, just now, I noticed a flock of sheep grazing, and some of them had wandered into a little valley quite out of sight of the shepherd. If you keep among the rocks you will never be observed. But perhaps you will allow me to go with you and show you the way?'

‘You are really very kind,’ answered the lion. And they crept stealthily along till at length they reached the mouth of the valley where a ram, a sheep and a lamb were feeding on the rich grass, unconscious of their danger.
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There was silence for a few moments, and then the lion sat up, looking very great and wise.

‘My judgment is that the garment shall belong wholly to whoever first rings the bell of the nearest mosque at dawn to-morrow. Now go; for much business awaits me!’


All that night the hyena sat up, fearing lest the jackal should reach the bell before him, for the mosque was close at hand. With the first streak of dawn he bounded away to the bell, just as the jackal, who had slept soundly all night, was rising to his feet.

‘Good luck to you,’ cried the jackal. And throwing the cloak over his back he darted away across the plain, and was seen no more by his friend the hyena.

After running several miles the jackal thought he was safe from pursuit, and seeing a lion and another hyena talking together, he strolled up to join them.

‘Good morning,’ he said; ‘may I ask what is the matter? You seem very serious about something.’

‘Pray sit down,’ answered the lion. ‘We were wondering in which direction we should go to find the best dinner. The hyena wishes to go to the forest, and I to the mountains. What do you say?’

‘Well, as I was sauntering over the plain, just now, I noticed a flock of sheep grazing, and some of them had wandered into a little valley quite out of sight of the shepherd. If you keep among the rocks you will never be observed. But perhaps you will allow me to go with you and show you the way?’

‘You are really very kind,’ answered the lion. And they crept stealthily along till at length they reached the mouth of the valley where a ram, a sheep and a lamb were feeding on the rich grass, unconscious of their danger.
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‘Oh, it is easily done,’ replied the hyena. ‘The lamb for me, the sheep for the jackal, and the ram for the lion.’

‘So I am to have that lean creature, which is nothing but horns, am I?’ cried the lion in a rage. ‘I will teach you to divide things in that manner!’ And he gave the hyena two great blows, which stretched him dead in a moment. Then he turned to the jackal and said: ‘How would you divide them?’

‘Quite differently from the hyena,’ replied the jackal. ‘You will breakfast off the lamb, you will dine off the sheep, and you will sup off the ram.’

‘Dear me, how clever you are! Who taught you such wisdom?’ exclaimed the lion, looking at him admiringly.

‘The fate of the hyena,’ answered the jackal, laughing, and running off at his best speed; for he saw two men armed with spears coming close behind the lion!


The jackal continued to run till at last he could run no longer. He flung himself under a tree panting for breath, when he heard a rustle amongst the grass, and his father’s 
old friend the hedgehog appeared before him.

‘Oh, is it you?’ asked the little creature; ‘how strange that we should meet so far from home!’

‘I have just had a narrow escape of my life,’ gasped the jackal, ‘and I need some sleep. After that we must think of something to do to amuse ourselves.’ And he lay down again and slept soundly for a couple of hours. 

‘Now I am ready,’ said he; ‘have you anything to propose?’

‘In a valley beyond those trees,’ answered the hedgehog, ‘there is a small farm-house where the best butter in the world is made. I know their ways, and in an hour’s time the farmer’s wife will be off to milk the cows, which she keeps at some distance. We could easily get in at the window of the shed where she keeps the butter,&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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‘That sounds a good plan,’ replied the jackal; and they set off together.

But when they reached the farm-house the jackal said to the hedgehog: ‘Go in and fetch the pots of butter, and I will hide them in a safe place.’

‘Oh no,’ cried the hedgehog, ‘I really couldn’t. They would find out directly! And, besides, it is so different just eating a little now and then.’

‘Do as I bid you ''at once'',’ said the jackal, looking at the hedgehog so sternly that the little fellow dared say no more, and soon rolled the jars to the window where the jackal lifted them out one by one.

When they were all in a row before him he gave a sudden start.

‘Run for your life,’ he whispered to his companion; ‘I see the woman coming over the hill!’ And the hedgehog, his heart beating, set off as fast as he could. The jackal remained where he was, shaking with laughter, for the woman was not in sight at all, and he had only sent the hedgehog away because he did not want him to know where the jars of butter were buried. But every day he stole out to their hiding-place and had a delicious feast.

At length, one morning, the hedgehog suddenly said: 

‘You never told me what you did with those jars?’

‘Oh, I hid them safely till the farm people should have forgotten all about them,’ replied the jackal. ‘But as they are still searching for them we must wait a little longer, and then I’ll bring them home, and we will share them between us.’

So the hedgehog waited and waited; but every time he asked if there was no chance of getting the jars of butter the jackal put him off with some excuse. After a while the hedgehog became suspicious, and said:

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‘I really ''can’t'' tell you,’ answered the jackal. ‘You talk so much that you would be sure to confide the secret to somebody, and then we should have had our trouble for nothing, besides running the risk of our necks being broken by the farmer. I can see that he is getting disheartened, and very soon he will give up the search. Have patience just a little longer.’

The hedgehog said no more, and pretended to be satisfied; but when some days had gone by he woke the jackal, who was sleeping soundly after a hunt which had lasted several hours.

‘I have just had notice,’ remarked the hedgehog, shaking him, ‘that my family wish to have a banquet to-morrow, and they have invited you to it. Will you come?’

‘Certainly,’ answered the jackal, ‘with pleasure. But as I have to go out in the morning you can meet me on the road.’

‘That will do very well,’ replied the hedgehog. And the jackal went to sleep again, for he was obliged to be up early.

Punctual to the moment the hedgehog arrived at the place appointed for their meeting, and as the jackal was not there he sat down and waited for him.

‘Ah, there you are!’ he cried, when the dusky yellow form at last turned the corner. ‘I had nearly given you up! Indeed, I almost wish you had not come, for I hardly know where I shall hide you.’

‘Why should you hide me anywhere?’ asked the jackal. ‘What is the matter with you?’

‘Well, so many of the guests have brought their dogs and mules with them, that I fear it may hardly be safe for you to go amongst them. No; don’t run off that way,’ he added quickly, ‘because there is another troop that are coming over the hill. Lie down here, and I will&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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And what did happen was, that when the jackal was lying covered up, under a little hill, the hedgehog set a great stone rolling, which crushed him to death.

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;of the belles. It is a great place for supervisors and directors and their families. On the sand you'll see Lucien Hubbard, of &quot;Wings&quot; fame, and Bertram Millhauser, and Paul Sloan and George B. Seitz. 

Right next door is the Swimming Club, haunt of the Jimmy Gleasons, the Robert Armstrongs and scads of other aces. 

On the sands of Santa Monica the players spend their weekly day of rest, absorbing health and handball, while the wild waves have their immemorial say. 


{{di|N}}O opening—and there have been plenty of them this month—is quite complete without Stepin Fetchit who lends color to the gay occasions. It is his habit to entertain lavishly for his friends. 

At &quot;Show Boat&quot; one of the gents in his party gave a fine example of what the well dressed man should wear. He quite outshone the ermine coated ladies by appearing in a white Tuxedo with a large medal that glittered with rhinestones and synthetic rubies coyly reposing on the lapel. 


{{di|T}}HE 18-day diet has practically rendered obsolete the 18-day bicycle race as a means of endurance entertainment—if you like to call it that. 

And, verily, flagpole sitting and marathon dancing have nothing on marathon dieting as a form of self-torture. 

At a luncheon given for, by, and with Mae Murray during her recent visit to New York, the table conversation did not deal with the number of talkies which had opened that week. No siree—it dealt with the number of slices of cucumbers which had been consumed by critics, stars, directors, etc. Cucumbers, it appears, get the star billing on the 18-day diet. 

Most of the feminine guests cast envious glances at the sylph-like Miss Murray who courageously drank unsweetened tea while they enjoyed a gooey and delectable dessert. It appeared that everyone but Mae was going to start on the 18-day diet the next morning. &quot;I can never begin dieting at ''luncheon'', my dear, can you? Let's start with breakfast.&quot;


{{di|C}}AL went to see Irene Rich in her one-act vaudeville playlet, &quot;Ask Your Wife.&quot; Celluloidly speaking, Irene is one of Cal's favorite ''femmes'', but he wasn't sure just how she'd register across the footlights. He was prepared for the worst.

Well, fans, if you like the lady on the screen at all, you're going to fall for her hard when you get an eyeful and an earful at one and the same time. She has one of those simply grand figures, slim and rounded; she's as graceful and feminine as the ladies of your dreams; her voice is fresh and sweet, although just a wee bit timid and scared. 

The timid voice is the reason for Irene's stage appearance. She's getting some training and experience for the talkies. She said so, when continued applause brought her out for a curtain speech. 

I don't know whether that speech was calculatedly naive and young-girlish, or spontaneously so, but the effect was great, anyhow, and everybody loved it. Personally, I think the speech was the nicest part of her act. And the act was pretty nice, too. 


{{di|A}}T last William Boyd and Elinor Fair are celebrating their honeymoon and in Honolulu, at that. Yes, they have been married several years but there has never been a time when they could get away until now. 

It's quite a fad in the film colony to celebrate a honeymoon any time from twelve months to three years after the wedding. That's the reason so many never have a honeymoon. They don't stay married long enough. 


{{di|T}}HE Constance Talmadge-Townsend Netcher wedding was solemnized with great formality. Only the family and intimate friends were present at the Buster Keaton home where the event occurred. 

It was a most solemn occasion. An organ boomed the wedding March. The party walked in, Constance leaning on Buster Keaton's arm. Not a word was spoken until one of the Keaton children said in a loud voice, &quot;Say, who's dead?&quot; 


{{di|A}} FUNNY incident occurred while Leo McCarey was directing &quot;The Sophomore.&quot; Leo needed a few hundred boys for a football scene, so he called upon the Fraternity house of U.S.C. and the boys were hired at $5.50 each per day. 

After two or three days, work, one rather clever young player learned that two or three regular players were used in the same scenes and received $7.50 per day. So the bright boy incited much rebellion among the other students and finally persuaded most of them not to accept their checks, unless made out for $7.50, instead of $5.50. 

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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;of the belles. It is a great place for supervisors and directors and their families. On the sand you'll see Lucien Hubbard, of &quot;Wings&quot; fame, and Bertram Millhauser, and Paul Sloan and George B. Seitz. 

Right next door is the Swimming Club, haunt of the Jimmy Gleasons, the Robert Armstrongs and scads of other aces. 

On the sands of Santa Monica the players spend their weekly day of rest, absorbing health and handball, while the wild waves have their immemorial say. 


{{di|N}}O opening—and there have been plenty of them this month—is quite complete without Stepin Fetchit who lends color to the gay occasions. It is his habit to entertain lavishly for his friends. 

At &quot;Show Boat&quot; one of the gents in his party gave a fine example of what the well dressed man should wear. He quite outshone the ermine coated ladies by appearing in a white Tuxedo with a large medal that glittered with rhinestones and synthetic rubies coyly reposing on the lapel. 


{{di|T}}HE 18-day diet has practically rendered obsolete the 18-day bicycle race as a means of endurance entertainment—if you like to call it that. 

And, verily, flagpole sitting and marathon dancing have nothing on marathon dieting as a form of self-torture. 

At a luncheon given for, by, and with Mae Murray during her recent visit to New York, the table conversation did not deal with the number of talkies which had opened that week. No siree—it dealt with the number of slices of cucumbers which had been consumed by critics, stars, directors, etc. Cucumbers, it appears, get the star billing on the 18-day diet. 

Most of the feminine guests cast envious glances at the sylph-like Miss Murray who courageously drank unsweetened tea while they enjoyed a gooey and delectable dessert. It appeared that everyone but Mae was going to start on the 18-day diet the next morning. &quot;I can never begin dieting at ''luncheon'', my dear, can you? Let's start with breakfast.&quot;


{{di|C}}AL went to see Irene Rich in her one-act vaudeville playlet, &quot;Ask Your Wife.&quot; Celluloidly speaking, Irene is one of Cal's favorite ''femmes'', but he wasn't sure just how she'd register across the footlights. He was prepared for the worst.

Well, fans, if you like the lady on the screen at all, you're going to fall for her hard when you get an eyeful and an earful at one and the same time. She has one of those simply grand figures, slim and rounded; she's as graceful and feminine as the ladies of your dreams; her voice is fresh and sweet, although just a wee bit timid and scared. 

The timid voice is the reason for Irene's stage appearance. She's getting some training and experience for the talkies. She said so, when continued applause brought her out for a curtain speech. 

I don't know whether that speech was calculatedly naive and young-girlish, or spontaneously so, but the effect was great, anyhow, and everybody loved it. Personally, I think the speech was the nicest part of her act. And the act was pretty nice, too. 


{{di|A}}T last William Boyd and Elinor Fair are celebrating their honeymoon and in Honolulu, at that. Yes, they have been married several years but there has never been a time when they could get away until now. 

It's quite a fad in the film colony to celebrate a honeymoon any time from twelve months to three years after the wedding. That's the reason so many never have a honeymoon. They don't stay married long enough. 


{{di|T}}HE Constance Talmadge-Townsend Netcher wedding was solemnized with great formality. Only the family and intimate friends were present at the Buster Keaton home where the event occurred. 

It was a most solemn occasion. An organ boomed the wedding March. The party walked in, Constance leaning on Buster Keaton's arm. Not a word was spoken until one of the Keaton children said in a loud voice, &quot;Say, who's dead?&quot; 


[[File:Photoplay - 1929.08 - 98 - Emil Jannings.png|center|200px]]
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{{di|A}} FUNNY incident occurred while Leo McCarey was directing &quot;The Sophomore.&quot; Leo needed a few hundred boys for a football scene, so he called upon the Fraternity house of U.S.C. and the boys were hired at $5.50 each per day. 

After two or three days, work, one rather clever young player learned that two or three regular players were used in the same scenes and received $7.50 per day. So the bright boy incited much rebellion among the other students and finally persuaded most of them not to accept their checks, unless made out for $7.50, instead of $5.50. 
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&lt;section begin=&quot;Gossip of All the Studios&quot; /&gt;of the belles. It is a great place for supervisors and directors and their families. On the sand you'll see Lucien Hubbard, of &quot;Wings&quot; fame, and Bertram Millhauser, and Paul Sloan and George B. Seitz. 

Right next door is the Swimming Club, haunt of the Jimmy Gleasons, the Robert Armstrongs and scads of other aces. 

On the sands of Santa Monica the players spend their weekly day of rest, absorbing health and handball, while the wild waves have their immemorial say. 


{{di|N}}O opening—and there have been plenty of them this month—is quite complete without Stepin Fetchit who lends color to the gay occasions. It is his habit to entertain lavishly for his friends. 

At &quot;Show Boat&quot; one of the gents in his party gave a fine example of what the well dressed man should wear. He quite outshone the ermine coated ladies by appearing in a white Tuxedo with a large medal that glittered with rhinestones and synthetic rubies coyly reposing on the lapel. 


{{di|T}}HE 18-day diet has practically rendered obsolete the 18-day bicycle race as a means of endurance entertainment—if you like to call it that. 

And, verily, flagpole sitting and marathon dancing have nothing on marathon dieting as a form of self-torture. 

At a luncheon given for, by, and with Mae Murray during her recent visit to New York, the table conversation did not deal with the number of talkies which had opened that week. No siree—it dealt with the number of slices of cucumbers which had been consumed by critics, stars, directors, etc. Cucumbers, it appears, get the star billing on the 18-day diet. 

Most of the feminine guests cast envious glances at the sylph-like Miss Murray who courageously drank unsweetened tea while they enjoyed a gooey and delectable dessert. It appeared that everyone but Mae was going to start on the 18-day diet the next morning. &quot;I can never begin dieting at ''luncheon'', my dear, can you? Let's start with breakfast.&quot;


{{di|C}}AL went to see Irene Rich in her one-act vaudeville playlet, &quot;Ask Your Wife.&quot; Celluloidly speaking, Irene is one of Cal's favorite ''femmes'', but he wasn't sure just how she'd register across the footlights. He was prepared for the worst.

Well, fans, if you like the lady on the screen at all, you're going to fall for her hard when you get an eyeful and an earful at one and the same time. She has one of those simply grand figures, slim and rounded; she's as graceful and feminine as the ladies of your dreams; her voice is fresh and sweet, although just a wee bit timid and scared. 

The timid voice is the reason for Irene's stage appearance. She's getting some training and experience for the talkies. She said so, when continued applause brought her out for a curtain speech. 

I don't know whether that speech was calculatedly naive and young-girlish, or spontaneously so, but the effect was great, anyhow, and everybody loved it. Personally, I think the speech was the nicest part of her act. And the act was pretty nice, too. 


{{di|A}}T last William Boyd and Elinor Fair are celebrating their honeymoon and in Honolulu, at that. Yes, they have been married several years but there has never been a time when they could get away until now. 

It's quite a fad in the film colony to celebrate a honeymoon any time from twelve months to three years after the wedding. That's the reason so many never have a honeymoon. They don't stay married long enough. 


{{di|T}}HE Constance Talmadge-Townsend Netcher wedding was solemnized with great formality. Only the family and intimate friends were present at the Buster Keaton home where the event occurred. 

It was a most solemn occasion. An organ boomed the wedding March. The party walked in, Constance leaning on Buster Keaton's arm. Not a word was spoken until one of the Keaton children said in a loud voice, &quot;Say, who's dead?&quot; 


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{{di|A}} FUNNY incident occurred while Leo McCarey was directing &quot;The Sophomore.&quot; Leo needed a few hundred boys for a football scene, so he called upon the Fraternity house of U.S.C. and the boys were hired at $5.50 each per day. 

After two or three days, work, one rather clever young player learned that two or three regular players were used in the same scenes and received $7.50 per day. So the bright boy incited much rebellion among the other students and finally persuaded most of them not to accept their checks, unless made out for $7.50, instead of $5.50. 
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{{di|S}}INCE a check of the Universal Film Company's books disclosed the fact that &quot;The Phantom of the Opera,&quot; which starred Lon Chaney several years ago, is the biggest money maker they have ever turned out, it's no wonder they want to repeat on it. For that reason, they are going to make &quot;The Return of the Phantom.&quot; 

Since Chaney cannot be borrowed for this, we would like to suggest Paul Muni, who looks like a youthful Chaney come to light. Perhaps Fox might lend him. 


{{di|W}}HEN &quot;Burlesque&quot; makes its appearance on the screen, with Hal Skelly in the role he made famous during the long New York run of the stage play, it will have the prepossessing title of &quot;The Dance of Life.&quot;

There is a reason why Paramount changed the title. Outside of New York the play, &quot;Burlesque,&quot; confused the natives. They expected to see Irish and Hebrew comedians and a lot of snappy stouts in tights. 

In one town in which the play was presented a clubwoman saw the sign, &quot;Burlesque,&quot; in front of a theater, and went in to view the show. She was horrified at the risque jokes and scantily clad dames. It was reported to the police. When the coppers viewed the play they found nothing wrong with it. A meeting was called and the prominent clubwoman discovered she had made a mistake in the theater and had actually seen a third-rate burlesque show in a down-at-the-heel playhouse. 

Paramount isn't taking any chances. 


{{di|S}}OMEBODY happened to speak of beauty shops on the set the other day. Karl Dane became interested. &quot;I got a beauty shop,&quot; he said with a shrug of his shoulders. &quot;Just put a couple grand in it. Somewhere, you know, to get a decent manicure.&quot;


{{di|C}}LARENCE BROWN, ace Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer director, is prouder of his flying than he is of having made famous and rich the Gilbert-Garbo film combination. 

Brown, an airman during the war, is now a transport pilot, that rating being the highest type of license obtainable in this country. He keeps a fleet little Waco plane at an airport near the studio, and spends in the air every minute he can spare away from the lot. 

The other day be gave old Cal a dizzy half hour. For some reason he thought Mr. York was a flying fiend, so Brown took him up in the Waco, and for an hour nose-dived, looped and tail spun. Then he dropped in at another air field, took up a new Stinson he had never seen before, and repeated the show with Cal more dead than alive.

&quot;More?&quot; said Brown.

&quot;Well,&quot; said old Cal, &quot;let's talk about Greta Garbo for awhile.&quot;


{{di|K}}EEP your eye peeled for young Frederic March, whom you saw as the professor boyfriend in &quot;The Wild Party&quot; with Clara Bow. 

March didn't look so much in the Bow picture, with his studious make-up and sappy rôle, but this is just to warn you girls that he is one of the handsomest men now in pictures, and a swell actor to boot. In old Cal's mind, March and Charlie Farrell run a pretty dead heat in the Hollywood &quot;Handsomest Man&quot; contest. 

March is working for Paramount, is married more than happily to Florence Eldridge, actress of stage and screen, has a pretty house in Beverly Hills and is one of filmland's most ardent tennis bugs. 

Fred, in a straight romantic part, will knock over many hearts. Don't you girls say I didn't warn you. 

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Immediately known by the whitish-grey forewings, with reddish-brown basal and costal patches.

Two specimens, in poor condition, taken by Mr. J. D. Enys, at Porter's Pass.

{{c|8. ''Pros. hemionana'', n. sp.}}

Parva, alis ant. dilute ochreis, plusquam dimidio posteriore post-lineam obliquam fusco, antice saturatiore; post. griseis.

''Male.''—12½–13½ mm. Head, palpi, and thorax whitish-ochreous; palpi rather elongate, externally fuscous. Antennæ whitish-ochreous, annulated with dark fuscous. Abdomen light grey. Legs grey-whitish, anterior and middle pair suffused with dark fuscous except at apex of joints. Forewings moderate, posteriorly somewhat dilated, costa rather strongly arched near base, thence nearly straight, hindmargin nearly straight, oblique; pale whitish-ochreous, with scattered obscure ochreous-fuscous strigulæ; base indistinctly suffused with ochreous-brownish; posterior ⅗, beyond a straight sharply-defined line from ⅖ of costa to slightly beyond middle of inner margin, fuscous, strigulated with dark reddish-fuscous, and becoming dark fuscous towards anterior edge, more broadly towards costa, and on a small very ill-defined costal spot towards apex: cilia whitish-ochreous or light brownish-ochreous, with a broad dark fuscous basal line. Hindwings grey; cilia grey-whitish, with a darker basal line.

Rendered conspicuous by the contrast of the pale basal and dark posterior areas.

Six specimens taken by Mr. R. W. Fereday near Lake Guyon in March.

{{c|9. ''Pros. siriana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Parva, alis ant. M. ochreo-brunneis, fusco-sparsis, F. saturate ochreis, puncto disci nigro; post. M. nigrescentibus, F. albidis.
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Markedly distinct by its unicolorous forewings, and the strongly-contrasted hindwings.

Taken in plenty in January amongst long grass near Hamilton, on the skirts of the forest. This, as well as the other species, appears to be very local.


{{c|6. {{sc|Harmologa}}, n. g.}}

Thorax smooth or rarely crested. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate or rather long, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 separate at origin, 5 approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 stalked or separate.

Separated from ''Proselena'' by the costal fold, from ''Cacoecia'' by the separation of veins 3 and 4 of hindwings. To this genus belong some of the species formerly referred provisionally to ''Cacoecia''; I have at present five New Zealand species, but have not observed the genus as occurring elsewhere. These species, which are very various in superficial appearance, may be separated as follows:— 

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{{c|10. ''Harm. sisyrana'', n. sp.}}

Media, alis ant. dilute griseis, nigro-strigulatis, area basali obscura, fascia media obliqua, maculisque costse posterioribus quatuor parvis saturatioribus; post. griseis. 

''Male'', 17½ mm; ''female'', 20 mm.—Head, palpi, and thorax grey-whitish, mixed with fuscous-grey and blackish; palpi rather short; thorax crested. Antennæ grey. Abdomen whitish-grey. Legs grey-whitish, anterior and middle tibiæ and all tarsi suffusedly banded with dark fuscous. Forewings&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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This species appears to be the only one with a crested thorax, but it does not seem necessary at present to separate it on that account; it cannot be confused with any other.

A pair taken on sandhills near Christchurch, in March; I have seen several others from the same locality, taken in November and December.

{{c|11. ''Harm. oblongana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}

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Minor, alis ant. griseis, interdum ochreo-suffusis, area basali, fascia media abbreviata cum macula costæ triangulari confluente, macula anguli analis, alteraque marginis postici parva saturatioribus, striga disci nigra; post. griseis.

''Male, female''.—15–19 mm. Head and thorax greyish-fuscous or grey; palpi rather elongate. Forewings moderately broad, posteriorly dilated in male, costa moderately arched, hindmargin sinuate, slightly or not oblique; grey or ochreous-grey, with indistinct darker strigulæ; basal patch somewhat darker, outer edge marked by a dark strigula, very irregularly angulated above middle; central fascia moderate, varying from grey to dark reddish-fuscous, running from before middle of costa to ⅔ of inner margin, generally obsolete on lower half, anterior edge well-defined on upper half, posterior edge suffused; an ill-defined grey or fuscous-grey blotch on costa about ⅔, often uniting with upper half of central fascia to form a large triangular blotch; often a slender blackish longitudinal line in disc on central fascia, and in female the central fascia sometimes mixed with brownish-ochreous, especially above this line; a very indistinct blotch on anal angle, sometimes confluent with the costal blotch; a small dark spot on hind&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Rather variable in colour and considerably in intensity of marking; but easily separated from all the other species of the genus by its dull grey hue.

Occurs rather commonly at Christchurch, Dunedin and Blenheim, in December, January and March, seeming attached to ''Leptospermum''. Butler's ''cuneigera'' is founded on a light-coloured specimen with strongly-marked costal blotch, received from Blenheim; I have seen two similar specimens from the same locality, but can find no reliable point of distinction and have no doubt of their identity.

{{c|12. ''Harm. zatrophana'', n. sp.}}

Minor, alis ant. rufis, griseo-mixtis, macula magna posteriori albida ochreo-mixta; post. saturate griseis.

''Female''.—14 mm. Head, palpi and thorax reddish-ochreous-brown, mixed with whitish-grey; palpi moderate, grey-whitish internally and beneath. Antennæ grey, annulated with black. Abdomen dark grey. Legs grey, anterior and middle tibiæ and all tarsi suffused with dark fuscous, except at apex of joints. Forewings rather narrow, oblong, costa gently arched, apex nearly rectangular, hindmargin sinuate, not oblique; reddish-ochreous-brown, thickly mixed with dark fuscous-grey; a tolerably well-defined large whitish blotch on hindmargin, almost reaching costa and anal angle, extending in disc to ⅔ from base, containing two small pale ochreous spots mixed with grey scales, one on its upper and the other on its lower margin, almost uniting in middle, so as to bisect the blotch: cilia reddish-ochreous-brown mixed with grey. Hindwings dark grey, apex blackish-grey; cilia whitish-grey, with a dark grey basal line.

Very distinct by its deep colouring and the posterior whitish blotch.

One fine specimen taken at light at Christchurch in March. The male being unknown, the generic location is not absolutely assured, but I have little doubt the species is correctly placed.

{{c|13. ''Harm. ænea'', [[Author:Arthur Gardiner Butler|Butl.]]

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Major, alis ant. fuscis, M. flavo, F. ochreo-suffusis, costa F. alba; post. M. saturate flavis, posterius nigro-mixtis, F. albis, posterius dilute flavis.

''Male'', 27 mm.; ''female'', 30 mm.—Head, palpi and thorax in male brownish-ochreous mixed with fuscous, in female ochreous-whitish suffused with pale ochreous; palpi rather long. Antennæ in male fuscous, in female whitish-ochreous. Abdomen in male yellowish-ochreous mixed with fuscous, in female ochreous-whitish. Legs ochreous-whitish, anterior and middle pair more or less suffused with fuscous-grey, posterior tibiæ in male&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Conspicuous by its large size and distinctly coloured hindwings.

Common at Porter's Pass and Mount Hutt, in January, but probably confined to the mountain districts. I owe my specimens to the kindness of Mr. J. D. Enys, who also furnished Butler's original type.

{{c|14. ''Harm. amplexana'', [[Author:Philipp Christoph Zeller|Z.]]}}

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''Male, female''.—15–17 mm. Head and thorax whitish; palpi elongate, externally mixed with dark fuscous. Forewings moderate, oblong, hardly dilated, costa in male slightly arched, bent before middle, in female strongly arched towards base, slightly sinuate beyond middle, hindmargin not oblique, rather strongly sinuate beneath apex; whitish, indistinctly strigulated with fuscous; basal patch represented in male by a sharply-marked blackish-fuscous narrow fascia proceeding from costa at ¼ obliquely inwards to disc, thence abruptly to base beneath costa, in female by a dark fuscous fascia from costa before ⅕, irregularly angulated below costa, bent inwards in disc as in male, but less defined; central fascia rather narrow, dark fuscous, from costa before middle to inner margin beyond middle, in male obsolete towards costa, in female distinct throughout, anterior edge dark-margined, posterior edge suffused; a rather ill-defined fuscous triangular patch extending on costa from middle to before apex, its lower extremity usually connected with central fascia and anal angle by two irregularly curved cloudy lines; a cloudy fuscous spot on middle of hindmargin, its anterior edge marked with from two to four blackish dots; hindmargin sometimes dotted with black: cilia grey-whitish, becoming dark fuscous&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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3. Do not submit any solutions or answers until after the fourth set of cut puzzle pictures has appeared in the September issue. Assembled puzzle pictures must be submitted in sets of thirty-two only. Identifying names should be written or typewritten below each assembled portrait. At the conclusion of the contest all pictures should be sent to CUT PICTURE PUZZLE EDITORS, {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}}, 750 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill. Be sure that your full name and complete address is attached. 

4. Contestants can obtain help in solving the cut puzzle pictures by carefully studying the poems appearing below the pictures in each issue. Each eight-line verse refers to the two sets of cut puzzle pictures appearing directly above it. The six-line verse applies generally to the four sets on that page. Bear in mind that it costs absolutely nothing to enter this contest. Indeed, the contest is purely an amusement. You do not need to be a subscriber or reader of {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} to compete. You do not have to buy a single issue. You may copy or trace the pictures from the originals in {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} and assemble the pictures from the copies. Copies of {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} may be examined at the New York and Chicago offices of the publication, or at public libraries, free of charge. 

5. Aside from accuracy in assembling and identifying cut puzzle pictures, neatness in contestants' methods of submitting solutions will be considered in awarding prizes. The thirty-two cut puzzle pictures or their drawn duplicates, must be cut apart, assembled and pasted or pinned together, with the name of the player written or typewritten below. 

6. The judges will be a committee of members of {{sc|Photoplay Magazine's}} staff. Their decision will be final. No relatives or members of the household of anyone connected with this publication can submit solutions. Otherwise, the contest is open to everyone everywhere. 

7. In the case of ties for any of the first five prizes, the full award will be given to each tying contestant. 

8. The contest will close at midnight on September 20th. All solutions received from the time the fourth set of pictures appears to the moment of midnight on September 20th will be considered by the judges. No responsibility in the matter of mail delays or losses will rest with {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}}. Send your answers as soon as possible after the last set of cut puzzle pictures appears in the September issue, which will appear on the newsstands on or about August 15th. The prize winners will be announced in the January, 1930, issue of {{sc|Photoplay}}. 

9. No solution will be returned unless sufficient postage accompanies the solution and such request is made at time of submission. 

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Contestants will note that identifying numbers appear at the margin of the cut puzzle pictures. These numbers may be copied upon the cut portraits, with pencil or pen, so that, in pasting or pinning the completed portrait, it will be possible to show the way the cut pieces originally appeared. 

As no solutions may be entered before the fourth set of puzzle pictures appears, it is suggested that contestants merely pin their solutions together until the conclusion. This will permit the shifting and changing about of pictures as the contest progresses and will give time for lengthy consideration and study. 

Each cut puzzle picture is a portrait of a well-known motion picture actor or actress.
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3. Do not submit any solutions or answers until after the fourth set of cut puzzle pictures has appeared in the September issue. Assembled puzzle pictures must be submitted in sets of thirty-two only. Identifying names should be written or typewritten below each assembled portrait. At the conclusion of the contest all pictures should be sent to CUT PICTURE PUZZLE EDITORS, {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}}, 750 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Ill. Be sure that your full name and complete address is attached. 

4. Contestants can obtain help in solving the cut puzzle pictures by carefully studying the poems appearing below the pictures in each issue. Each eight-line verse refers to the two sets of cut puzzle pictures appearing directly above it. The six-line verse applies generally to the four sets on that page. Bear in mind that it costs absolutely nothing to enter this contest. Indeed, the contest is purely an amusement. You do not need to be a subscriber or reader of {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} to compete. You do not have to buy a single issue. You may copy or trace the pictures from the originals in {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} and assemble the pictures from the copies. Copies of {{sc|Photoplay Magazine}} may be examined at the New York and Chicago offices of the publication, or at public libraries, free of charge. 

5. Aside from accuracy in assembling and identifying cut puzzle pictures, neatness in contestants' methods of submitting solutions will be considered in awarding prizes. The thirty-two cut puzzle pictures or their drawn duplicates, must be cut apart, assembled and pasted or pinned together, with the name of the player written or typewritten below. 

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Remote from all its congeners in superficial appearance; the peculiar angulated subcostal mark at base, (differing in the sexes), is unique in its way, but only conspicuous in the male.

Common at Christchurch, Wellington, and Dunedin, generally in gardens, in January, February, March, and August.


{{c|7. {{sc|Cacoecia}}, [[Author:Jacob Hübner|Hb.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate or rather long, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 separate (rarely stalked).

Distinguished from ''Harmologa'' by the origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings from the same point, from ''Tortrix'' by the costal fold of male. Of the species which I originally referred here, four have been satisfactorily determined to be mere varieties, three have been transferred to the neighbouring ''Harmologa'', one (of which the male had been unknown) to ''Tortrix'', and one is removed to the ''Grapholithidæ'', the basal pectination of the hindwings having been overlooked. I have now only two true species of ''Cacoecia'' from New Zealand; the genus is numerously represented in Australia.

{{c|15. ''Cac. excessana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
{{center or HI|(''Teras excessana'', Walk., Brit. Mus. Cat., 303, (''Cacoecia'') Meyr., Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W., 1881, 491; ''Teras biguttana'', Walk., Brit. Mus. Cat., 305; ''Tortrix taipana'', Feld., Reis. Nov., pl. CXXXVII., 46; ''Cacoecia inana'', Butl., Proc. Z. S. L., 1877, 403, pl. XLIII., 13.)}}}}

Media, alis ant. ochreis fuscisve, interdum purpureo-suffusis, area basali, fascia media obliqua inferius dilatata, macula costœ triangulari alteraque marginis postici parva vix saturatioribus, sæpe obsoletis; post. albidogriseis.

Var. {{greek|α}}. Alis ant. macula disci ante medium parva albida.

''Male, female''.—19–28 mm. Head and thorax varying from ochreous to dark fuscous or purple-fuscous (sometimes discolorous); palpi rather long. Forewings moderately broad, posteriorly dilated, less in female, costa moderately arched, in female straighter posteriorly, hindmargin sinuate, not oblique; varying from ochreous to dark ochreous-fuscous, finely strigulated with darker, sometimes wholly suffused with purple; markings very ill-defined, hardly darker than ground-colour, often wholly obsolete; outer&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Remote from all its congeners in superficial appearance; the peculiar angulated subcostal mark at base, (differing in the sexes), is unique in its way, but only conspicuous in the male.

Common at Christchurch, Wellington, and Dunedin, generally in gardens, in January, February, March, and August.


{{c|7. {{sc|Cacoecia}}, [[Author:Jacob Hübner|Hb.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate or rather long, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male with strong costal fold. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 separate (rarely stalked).

Distinguished from ''Harmologa'' by the origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings from the same point, from ''Tortrix'' by the costal fold of male. Of the species which I originally referred here, four have been satisfactorily determined to be mere varieties, three have been transferred to the neighbouring ''Harmologa'', one (of which the male had been unknown) to ''Tortrix'', and one is removed to the ''Grapholithidæ'', the basal pectination of the hindwings having been overlooked. I have now only two true species of ''Cacoecia'' from New Zealand; the genus is numerously represented in Australia.

{{c|15. ''Cac. excessana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Var. {{greek|α}}. Alis ant. macula disci ante medium parva albida.

''Male, female''.—19–28 mm. Head and thorax varying from ochreous to dark fuscous or purple-fuscous (sometimes discolorous); palpi rather long. Forewings moderately broad, posteriorly dilated, less in female, costa moderately arched, in female straighter posteriorly, hindmargin sinuate, not oblique; varying from ochreous to dark ochreous-fuscous, finely strigulated with darker, sometimes wholly suffused with purple; markings very ill-defined, hardly darker than ground-colour, often wholly obsolete; outer&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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&lt;&gt;1 AND 2

The hair is a blonde, she has eyes of deep blue—
The eyes have the same color plan!
The mouth has been married for two happy years
To screenland's most rising young man!

The hair is soft brown, with a light golden sheen,
The eyes were renamed for a bird,
The mouth is quite new to the films—and her voice
In a talkie was recently heard!


&lt;&gt;3 AND 4

The hair's a New Yorker—and she's a brunette—
The eyes have appeared close to love:
The mouth has been often—too often!—miscast,
But her rôles she has risen above.

The hair went to school in a convent; the eyes
Just outside the States first saw day.
The mouth posed for artists, and once on the stage—
She's the loveliest star, some folks say!


&lt;&gt;RESUME

Two of them are married, two of them are not;
Three of them were born in the East.
Tuo girls went to Ziegfeld's best finishing school,
They're wonders—that's saying the least!
One starred in a number of fine costume plays,
And one shows the flapper with all her wild ways.
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Var. {{greek|α.}} Forewings with a small round whitish or whitish-ochreous spot in disc between basal patch and central fascia.

A very variable species, but always characterized by extreme indefiniteness of marking, and broader-winged than the following. The var. {{greek|α}} (described by Walker as distinct under the name of ''biguttana'') I also supposed at first to be a good species, but have since seen transitional forms, which leave little doubt that it is merely a varietal development. The purple variety is also very striking and handsome.

Larva rather stout, cylindrical, somewhat tapering behind, with scattered short whitish hairs; whitish-green, spots hardly darker; dorsal very distinct, slender, dark green; head very pale greenish-ochreous. Feeds between joined leaves of ''Panax arboreum'' (''Araliaceæ'') in April; pupa free in same position. This larva produced a specimen of the purple variety in June (indoors). The larva is certainly not confined to this food-plant, and is probably more or less polyphagous.

Common at Auckland, Wellington, Nelson, Christchurch, and Dunedin, and probably generally, from January to May, and even in July.

{{c|16. ''Cac. enoplana'', n. sp.}}

Media, alis ant. dilute fuscis, costa, linea antica transversa, fascia obliqua lata superius coarctata, trianguloque costæ saturate fuscis; post. albidis.

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{{ppoem|
&lt;&gt;1 AND 2

The hair went to college—the old U. of K.—
The eves did two parts from Van Dine.
The mouth was twice married; his last romance grew
In a picture of Russia—'twas fine!

The hair played in stock, and with L. Ditrichstein;
The eyes went to Paramount class;
The mouth took a gallant part in the World War.
And at Ypres he was wounded, alas!


&lt;&gt;3 AND 4

The hair is from England—was there on the stage;
The eyes have a seven year child—
The mouth plays the trombone (don't take it too hard—
For he's otherwise quite undefiled!)

The hair with Lupe Velez appeared on the screen,
The eyes knew film fame with L. Gish:
The mouth has done villains—oh, when he is bad
He's as wicked as people could wish!


&lt;&gt;RESUME

Three came from the West—slightly middle, at that!
And two are extremely brunette.
And two have been married, and one is divorced—
And one is not married, as yet!
Two of them have light eyes, they're all very tall—
And all are the sort for which womenfolk fall!
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Characterized by the clear well-defined markings; superficially rather resembling the Australian ''C. mnemosynana'', Meyr., but removed from it by the strong costal fold.

One specimen taken at Wellington in February.


{{c|8. {{sc|Tortrix}}, Tr.}}&lt;!--Don't know who Tr. is, the enWP article says L. named the genus.--&gt;

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male simple. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 separate.

Separated from ''Cacoecia'' by the absence of costal fold in male, from ''Proselena'' by the origin of veins 3 and 4 of the hindwings from a point, from ''Dipterina'' by the simply and shortly ciliated antennæ of the male. Well represented in Australia; there are six known species from New Zealand, thus distinguishable:— 

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Minor, alis ant. albis, fasciæ mediæ dimidio superiore angusto nigrescente; post. albis, raro albido-griseis.

''Male, female''.—14–18½ mm. Head and thorax dull white; palpi rather elongate, externally mixed with dark fuscous. Forewings moderate, slightly dilated posteriorly, costa moderately arched towards base, thence nearly straight, faintly sinuate beyond middle, hindmargin slightly sinuate, not oblique; dull white, faintly strigulated with pale ochreous-grey, and with a few scattered blackish scales; outer edge of basal patch irregular, angulated above middle, partially indicated by blackish scales or obsolete; in female an indistinct grey spot on inner margin before middle, shading into edge of basal patch; central fascia from before middle of costa to inner margin before anal angle, upper third very narrow, blackish, or ochreous-fuscous mixed with black, lower two-thirds strongly and irregularly dilated, almost&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Characterized by the clear well-defined markings; superficially rather resembling the Australian ''C. mnemosynana'', Meyr., but removed from it by the strong costal fold.

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Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings in male simple. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 separate.

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Conspicuously distinct through the white ground-colour; in form of wing resembling a ''Cacoecia'', but the male has not the slightest trace of a fold.

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A very obscure-looking, yet very distinct species, in form approaching the preceding.

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{{c|19. ''Tort. pictoriana'', [[Author:Rudolf Felder|Feld.]]

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{{c|'''Joan Bennett, inspiration of all the mysterious adventure in &quot;Bulldog Drummond,&quot; is eighteen'''}}


{{di|W}}HEN Joan Bennett was sixteen she packed her nightie and her toothbrush and walked calmly away from her boarding school in Versailles, bound for London, a certain romantic swain, and marriage. At seventeen &quot;a little stranger&quot; joined the family. Now, just past eighteen, Joan is in Hollywood with a divorce and well on her way to screen fame. She was Ronald Colman's leading lady in Bulldog Drummond,&quot; and will appear in &quot;Three Live Ghosts&quot; and &quot;Disraeli.&quot; Before these pictures she played a small part with William Boyd in &quot;Power.&quot;

Now, isn't that a mark for all properly ambitious girls to aim at? Yes, she still has the baby, a beautiful little girl now at the &quot;faw down&quot; stage. The baby was a constant source of embarrassment to the Goldwyn publicity offices during the filming of &quot;Bulldog Drummond.&quot; An eighteen-year-old leading lady had no business with a healthy infant, nor even an unhealthy one, for that matter. So baby was kept in the background. Joan herself is intensely proud of her daughter. 

It would be surprising to discover a daughter of Richard Bennett to be lacking in at least the rudiments of practical, everyday sophistication. Bennett ''pere'' was shocking prim maiden aunts fifteen years ago in Brieux's play-preachment, &quot;Damaged Goods,&quot; and even today, when it seems like a dull evening, he indulges in caustic curtain talks about critics so benighted as to disapprove of his plays.

Joan, the youngest of the Bennett daughters three, is no blot on the family 'scutcheon. She is a poised young woman of the world with amazing chameleon gray-green eyes, and a manner as cool as a cucumber—at once a protection to the lady and a challenge to all up and coming young men.

&quot;Father was furious when I married,&quot; Joan explained to me. &quot;He thought that I was too young, and would live to rue the day, so to speak. I never have and I never shall. Every girl, I suppose, has thoughts of marriage and babies. It's one of those experiences one has to have. Well, I've had it, and it's all over with. I don't think I shall marry again. I'm glad I tried it while I was young. Of course, being the youngest the Bennett sisters, I would be the first to make father a grandfather.&quot;

With every opportunity to follow a stage career, this golden-haired, svelte Joan grew up without any burning desire to bear the flaming torch of histrionics to new heights. During her boarding school days in Waterbury, Conn., she was always taking part in amateur theatricals but her favorite studies were languages and music. She was quite sure that her career was to become the wife of some nice young man and settle down in a cottage covered with roses and mortgages.

&quot;My decision to go on the stage was a rather sudden affair,&quot; Joan smiled, and those smiles are all to the good. &quot;Father gave me a rôle in the play in which he is now appearing, 'Jarnegan.' I played a bad girl who died in the second act. There was another bad girl who died in the first act. I thought I might as well spend as much of the evening as possible. On the last night of 'Jarnegan' in New York, John Considine was in the audience and offered me the leading rôle with Ronald Colman in 'Bulldog Drummond.{{' &quot;}}


{{di|S}}INCE Joan came to Hollywood she has been joined by her two sisters, although each of the girls maintains her own separate establishment. Constance Bennett, well known in Paramount pictures four years ago and who, at that time, had no love for the fair and sunny Hollywood, will make pictures for Pathe. Barbara Bennett, dancing partner of the late Maurice and now married to Morton Downey, the tenor, will appear in RKO productions. It is the first time in several years that the girls have been together in the same city. 

Joan's sophisticated bearing and her splendid speaking voice, are undoubtedly the result of years of association with stage people, and the polishing-off process of European schooling.

&quot;When we girls were very young father used to engage a governess and take us about with him on road tours. I can remember being taken on the stage by father when he made curtain bows at the close of 'Damaged Goods.' I was three then. I have always been about 
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A handsome and exceedingly variable species, very distinct from any other. The pencil of hairs in the male is similar to that of ''Pros. aspistana'', but I attach no generic importance to this character.

An autumnal insect, occurring commonly at Porter's Pass, Lake Guyon, South Rakaia, and Christchurch, in March and April.

{{c|20. ''Tort. philopoana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Minor, alis ant. dilute ochreis, area basali, fascia obliqua inferius dilatata, trianguloque costæ posticæ parvo ochreo-fuscis; post. M. albido-griseis, F. albis.

''Male, female.''—14–17 mm. Head and thorax pale ochreous; palpi moderate. Forewings moderate, in female more elongate and narrower, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly sinuate, oblique, in female more oblique; pale ochreous, with a few scattered blackish scales; basal patch ochreous-fuscous, rather ill-defined, especially in female, outer edge from ⅕ of costa to ¼ of inner margin, angulated above middle; central fascia ochreous-fuscous, from before middle of costa to anal angle, narrow towards costa, lower ⅔ rather dilated, margins slightly irregular, generally with a blackish dot on posterior margin below middle; a rather small triangular ochreous-fuscous spot on costa midway between central fascia and apex; sometimes a small ill-defined ochreous-fuscous spot on middle of hind-margin; markings in female usually more reddish-ochreous and less well-defined: cilia whitish-ochreous. Hindwings whitish-grey, in female often whitish; cilia whitish, with a faint grey basal line.
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A handsome and exceedingly variable species, very distinct from any other. The pencil of hairs in the male is similar to that of ''Pros. aspistana'', but I attach no generic importance to this character.

An autumnal insect, occurring commonly at Porter's Pass, Lake Guyon, South Rakaia, and Christchurch, in March and April.

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Minor, alis ant. dilute ochreis, area basali, fascia obliqua inferius dilatata, trianguloque costæ posticæ parvo ochreo-fuscis; post. M. albido-griseis, F. albis.

''Male, female.''—14–17 mm. Head and thorax pale ochreous; palpi moderate. Forewings moderate, in female more elongate and narrower, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly sinuate, oblique, in female more oblique; pale ochreous, with a few scattered blackish scales; basal patch ochreous-fuscous, rather ill-defined, especially in female, outer edge from ⅕ of costa to ¼ of inner margin, angulated above middle; central fascia ochreous-fuscous, from before middle of costa to anal angle, narrow towards costa, lower ⅔ rather dilated, margins slightly irregular, generally with a blackish dot on posterior margin below middle; a rather small triangular ochreous-fuscous spot on costa midway between central fascia and apex; sometimes a small ill-defined ochreous-fuscous spot on middle of hind-margin; markings in female usually more reddish-ochreous and less well-defined: cilia whitish-ochreous. Hindwings whitish-grey, in female often whitish; cilia whitish, with a faint grey basal line.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;It's All Over Now&quot; /&gt;dressing rooms, listening to the talk of the actors and watching the process of makeup. When I finally went on the stage myself there seemed nothing strange about it.


{{di|I|fl=&quot;}} THINK the most delightful time of my life was the year I spent in school at Versailles. There were just eight girls in the school, all Americans. I still see those girls from time to time, or correspond with them. Most of them are married now.

&quot;The girls I knew in the American boarding school have dropped out of my life. I rather disapprove of American schools for girls, in fact.

&quot;In France we lived in a lovely chateau set back in great gardens. Each girl had a beautiful, big room and private bath—none of this trailing down hallways with bath salts and towels. The instructors were understanding, real human beings, and were charming to our friends when they called.

&quot;We met interesting people and carried on conversations in French. There was an incentive to read good books.

&quot;Twice a week we went to the Opera Comique and during the winter season to the Paris Opera. About the most unpleasant feature was being dragged to the Louvre and listening to dull lectures. I dislike being made to do things.

&quot;It was while I was in school abroad that I first saw Ronald Colman on the screen. It was in 'The Dark Angel,' and at that time I could scarcely read the French captions on the picture. But I cried and cried over it. I never dreamed that some day I might be playing with this same man.&quot;

Few people know that Joan spent a great deal of her brief married life in Hollywood. Her husband's business brought him to the film capital, and the young wife settled down to afternoons at bridge, dinner, and more bridge in the evening. She hated it then, but now, in a different environment in the same town, she likes it. 

Her apartment is in a huge, chateau-like structure in Hollywood. The windows of her pleasant French living room overlook a small, walled garden, and beyond is busy Franklin Avenue with its perpetual stream of motor and street car traffic. 

She chose this particular apartment because she likes the noise.


{{di|E|fl=&quot;}}VEN after I am in bed at night I like to listen to the noises in the street and feel that life is still going on, although Hollywood is not much of a night-life town. Street cars passing below never disturb me, but the croaking of frogs in the garden nearly drives me frantic.

&quot;I like crowds, but not the mobs that gather outside of the Montmartre Cafe and at picture ''premieres''.

&quot;It is rather dreadful and morbid. In New York we used to lunch at the Ritz and always there were many people about. No one there bothered to stare at others.&quot;

Critics have approved of Joan's work in &quot;Bulldog Drummond.&quot; Shortly after the completion of the Colman picture she joined the cast of &quot;Three Live Ghosts.&quot; She is looking forward with keenest anticipation to working with George Arliss in &quot;Disraeli.&quot; It will be supposedly an all-English cast and she is wondering how her voice will measure with those of the troupe. 

Off the screen Joan looks a little older than her eighteen years. On the screen she appears even younger. But she is eighteen. If you don't believe it. Joan will produce her birth certificate, and it reads &quot;Born February 27th, 1911, at Palisades, New Jersey.&quot;

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And we, we must take them on the wing, and let them go.
Embalmed flowers are not flowers, immortelles are not flowers;
flowers are just a motion, a swift motion, a coloured gesture;
that is their loveliness. And that is love.

But a gem is different. It lasts so much longer than we do
so much much much longer
that it seems to last forever.
Yet we know it is flowing away
as flowers are, and we are, only slower.
The wonderful slow flowing of the sapphire!

All flows, and every flow is related to every other flow.
Flowers and sapphires and us, diversely streaming.
In the old days, when sapphires were breathed upon and brought forth
during the wild orgasms of chaos
time was much slower, when the rocks came forth.
It took æons to make a sapphire, æons for it to pass away.

And a flower it takes a summer.
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And man and woman are like the earth, that brings forth flowers
in summer, and love, but underneath is rock.
Older than flowers, older than ferns, older than foraminiferæ
older than plasm altogether is the soul of a man underneath.

And when, throughout all the wild orgasms of love
slowly a gem forms, in the ancient, once-more-molten rocks
of two human hearts, two ancient rocks, a man's heart and a woman's,
that is the crystal of peace, the slow hard jewel of trust
the sapphire of fidelity.
The gem of mutual peace emerging from the wild chaos of love.
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{{tpp|KNOW DEEPLY, KNOW THYSELF MORE DEEPLY{{ld}}|
Go deeper than love, for the soul has greater depths,
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molten, yet dense and permanent.
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Taken abundantly at Hamilton amongst long grass on the skirts of the forest, in January.

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Minor, alis ant. dilute ochreis, squamis paucis conspersis punctoque disci nigris, sæpius striga disci brevi longitudinali grisea; post. albis.

''Male, female''.—14–18 mm. Head and thorax pale ochreous; palpi moderate. Forewings moderate, in female more elongate and narrower, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly sinuate, oblique, in female more oblique; pale ochreous, sometimes deeper in female, often rather darker between the veins posteriorly; some irregularly scattered blackish scales; generally a rather more conspicuous black dot in disc beyond middle, usually preceded by a short longitudinal cloudy greyish streak above middle: cilia whitish-ochreous. Hindwings white, posteriorly sometimes faintly greyish; cilia white.

Allied to the preceding, which it resembles in form of wing, but entirely devoid of the usual transverse markings.

Very common and widely distributed, occurring in grassy places at Auckland, Hamilton, Cambridge, Wellington, Nelson, and Christchurch, in January, February, September, and October.

{{c|22. ''Tort. aërodana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

{{fine block|(''Tortrix aërodana'', Meyr., Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W., 1881, 520.)}}

Parva, alis ant. griseis, albido nigroque conspersis, M. interdum fascia angusta obliqua maculaque costæ ochreis; post. M. saturate griseis, F. albidis.

''Male''—10–11 mm.; ''female''—14–14½ mm. Head and thorax grey; palpi moderate. Forewings narrow, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly rounded, very oblique; rather dark grey, irrorated with grey-whitish, and with scattered blackish scales, in female paler; in male sometimes a distinct slender ochreous fascia from before middle of costa to before anal angle, and an ochreous costal spot, but these are often imperceptible: cilia grey-whitish, darker towards base. Hindwings in male dark grey, in female whitish, posteriorly whitish-grey; cilia in male grey, in female whitish, with a darker basal line.

Immediately known by its small size, grey colouring, and narrow wings.

Eight specimens taken amongst heathy scrub at Hamilton in January.


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Taken abundantly at Hamilton amongst long grass on the skirts of the forest, in January.

{{c|21. ''Tort. leucaniana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Minor, alis ant. dilute ochreis, squamis paucis conspersis punctoque disci nigris, sæpius striga disci brevi longitudinali grisea; post. albis.

''Male, female''.—14–18 mm. Head and thorax pale ochreous; palpi moderate. Forewings moderate, in female more elongate and narrower, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly sinuate, oblique, in female more oblique; pale ochreous, sometimes deeper in female, often rather darker between the veins posteriorly; some irregularly scattered blackish scales; generally a rather more conspicuous black dot in disc beyond middle, usually preceded by a short longitudinal cloudy greyish streak above middle: cilia whitish-ochreous. Hindwings white, posteriorly sometimes faintly greyish; cilia white.

Allied to the preceding, which it resembles in form of wing, but entirely devoid of the usual transverse markings.

Very common and widely distributed, occurring in grassy places at Auckland, Hamilton, Cambridge, Wellington, Nelson, and Christchurch, in January, February, September, and October.

{{c|22. ''Tort. aërodana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

{{fine block|(''Tortrix aërodana'', Meyr., Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W., 1881, 520.)}}}}

Parva, alis ant. griseis, albido nigroque conspersis, M. interdum fascia angusta obliqua maculaque costæ ochreis; post. M. saturate griseis, F. albidis.

''Male''—10–11 mm.; ''female''—14–14½ mm. Head and thorax grey; palpi moderate. Forewings narrow, costa moderately arched, hindmargin slightly rounded, very oblique; rather dark grey, irrorated with grey-whitish, and with scattered blackish scales, in female paler; in male sometimes a distinct slender ochreous fascia from before middle of costa to before anal angle, and an ochreous costal spot, but these are often imperceptible: cilia grey-whitish, darker towards base. Hindwings in male dark grey, in female whitish, posteriorly whitish-grey; cilia in male grey, in female whitish, with a darker basal line.

Immediately known by its small size, grey colouring, and narrow wings.

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Thorax generally with a very small crest, or smooth. Antennæ in male biciliated with fine long cilia. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings not broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 slightly (or rarely strongly) approximated at base to 4, 6 and 7 stalked (rarely separate).

Distinguished from ''Tortrix'' by the long fine biciliations of the antennæ, and usually by the stalking of veins 6 and 7 of the hindwings. There are several Australian species. Of the three given hereafter, ''D. imbriferana'' is a typical species of the genus. ''D. incessana'' differs in some respects, having veins 6 and 7 of hindwings separate, and more elongate palpi, for which reasons I formerly referred it to ''Arotrophora'', but it is without the characteristic antennal dentations of that genus, and the antennæ appear here to furnish the most reliable characters. ''D. jactatana'' also diverges in respect of the separation of veins 6 and 7 of hindwings, and in having vein 5 closely approximated to 4 at base; acquaintance with the male shows its former conjectural position to have been erroneous. The three species are very dissimilar and easily distinguished:—

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{{c|23. ''Dipl. jactatana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Minor, alis ant. ochreis, sæpe fusco-suffusis, postice fusco-maculatis, striga disci antica sinuata nigra; post. griseis.

''Male, female.''—18–19 mm. Head, palpi, antennæ, and thorax brownish-ochreous or fuscous; palpi rather elongate, externally dark fuscous. Abdomen ochreous-grey. Legs whitish-ochreous, anterior and middle pair suffused with dark fuscous, except towards apex of joints. Forewings moderate, somewhat dilated posteriorly, costa moderately arched, hind-margin slightly sinuate, not oblique; varying from light brownish-ochreous to fuscous, paler towards anterior half of costa; a sinuate blackish streak in disc, reaching from near base to middle, anterior extremity obscurely bent downwards to inner margin; five or six small dark fuscous spots on costa, the two last coalescing below costa; a small dark fuscous spot in disc beyond middle, another on middle of hindmargin, and a third on anal angle; all these spots obsolete in darker specimens: cilia light ochreous, with a fuscous line near base. Hindwings grey; cilia whitish-grey, with a grey basal line.
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Three specimens taken near Dunedin.

{{c|24. ''Dipt. incessana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Minor, alis ant. fuscis, fascia media directa, macula costæ triangulari, alteraque anguli analis angusta erecta saturatioribus; post. griseis.

''Male, female.''—13–16 mm. Head and thorax dark fuscous; palpi rather long. Forewings moderately broad, subtriangular, costa moderately arched, hindmargin sinuate, oblique; dull reddish-fuscous, strigulated with darker, with dark reddish-fuscous markings; outer edge of basal patch indicated by an indistinct rather irregular line; central fascia moderately broad, not oblique, from middle of costa to middle of inner margin, anterior edge straight, well-defined, posterior edge suffused, connected with a cloudy spot in disc beyond middle; a triangular spot on costa at ¾; a short erect streak from anal angle, reaching nearly half across wing: cilia pale reddish-fuscous, with a strong blackish basal line. Hindwings grey, indistinctly spotted with darker; cilia pale grey, with a darker basal line.

Considerably broader-winged than the following species, and widely distinct by the fuscous colouring and straight perpendicular central fascia.

I took one specimen at Auckland in January; Mr. R. W. Fereday has two others, taken at Christchurch in November and December.

{{c|25. ''Dipt. imbriferana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Parva, alis ant. albidis, area basali, fascia media angulata, macula costæ, alteraque anguli analis griseis; post. griseis.

''Male, female''.—9½–12 mm. Head and thorax whitish; palpi moderate. Forewings rather narrow, not dilated, costa moderately arched, hindmargin obliquely rounded; whitish, sometimes faintly clouded with grey, obscurely strigulated with fuscous-grey; basal patch more or less fuscous-grey, outer edge irregularly angulated in middle; central fascia suffusedly fuscous-grey, obscurely margined with dark-fuscous, moderate, rather narrower towards costa, running from middle of costa to middle of inner margin, angulated in middle; apical portion of wing more distinctly strigulated with fuscous-grey, strigulæ generally coalescing to form a spot on costa at ¾, a smaller spot on anal angle, and sometimes one on middle of hindmargin: cilia whitish, with a grey basal line. Hindwings grey, darker posteriorly; cilia grey, with a darker basal line.

An inconspicuous species, yet not like any other.

Taken at Auckland and Wellington in January.


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Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint triangularly scaled. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings broader than forewings, cilia long. Forewings with 10 separate veins, vein 6 to costa, (normal veins 3 and 4, 7 and 8 being probably coincident). Hindwings with 7 veins, 2, 3, 4 remote at origin, short and nearly parallel, 5 and 6 rising near together, 7 free, cell long, transverse vein bent, rather outwardly oblique, (normal veins 3 and 4 coincident).

The only known genus of the group possessing only 10 veins in the forewings; and the venation of the hindwings is also peculiar. The type does not, however, appear ancestral, but rather as an eccentric development from ''Tortrix''.

{{c|26. ''Eur. robusta'', [[Author:Arthur Gardiner Butler|Butl.]]}}
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Parva, alis ant. albis, ochreis, vel rufis, fasciis duabus obliquis perfractis, maculis costæ marginisque postici septem nigrescentibus; post. griseis.

''Male, female''.—9½—10 mm. Head white, often suffused with ochreous or reddish-ochreous, face and a longitudinal line on crown generally remaining white. Palpi white, externally generally suffused with ochreous. Thorax varying from white to reddish-ochreous, back sometimes dark fuscous. Antennæ grey. Abdomen elongate, stout, whitish-grey or whitish. Legs white, anterior and middle pair suffused with dark fuscous except at apex of joints. Forewings very narrow, costa in male almost straight, in female slightly arched, hindmargin very oblique, nearly straight; white, grey-whitish, ochreous, or reddish-ochreous-brown, the white specimens often partially suffused with pale ochreous; markings sharply defined, dark fuscous or blackish; a narrow very oblique fascia from near base of costa to inner margin before middle, rather widely interrupted immediately below costa, broadly dilated towards inner margin; a moderate oblique fascia from before middle of costa to inner margin at ⅔, evenly broad, generally interrupted beneath costa, margins sometimes irregular; three small subquadrate equidistant inwardly oblique spots on costa between central fascia and apex, often separated by white scales, a fourth at apex, and three others on hindmargin: cilia whitish, whitish-ochreous, or grey, base barred with black and white. Hindwings fuscousgrey, darker posteriorly, thinly scaled towards base; cilia whitish or grey, with a darker basal line.

A rather handsome and very distinctly marked species, extremely variable in colour.
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{{c|11. {{sc|Prothelymna}}, n. g.}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male biciliated with fascicles of long fine ciliations. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint roughly scaled above and beneath. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings as broad as forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 widely remote at origin, nearly parallel, 5 slightly approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 long-stalked, transverse vein very oblique.

Differs from ''Proselena'' especially by the peculiar ciliations of the antennæ. An interesting genus, approaching more nearly to the common ancestral type of the ''Tortricina'', than any other native to New Zealand. It has considerable affinity both with ''Proselena'' and ''Dipterina'', the very oblique transverse vein of the hindwings being found in some species of both those genera (as ''Pros. annosana'' and ''Dipt. imbriferana'').

{{c|27. ''Proth. nephelotana'', n. sp.}}

Minor, alis ant. dilute griseo-ochreis, fusco-nebulosis, area basali fasciaque media subobliqua obsoletis vix saturatioribus; post. dilute griseis.

''Male''.—18 mm. Head, palpi, and thorax brownish-ochreous sprinkled with dark fuscous. Antennæ grey. Abdomen whitish-grey-ochreous. Legs whitish, anterior and middle pair suffused with dark fuscous except at apex of joints. Forewings moderate, costa moderately and evenly arched, hindmargin obliquely rounded; pale greyish-ochreous, mixed with fuscous, and strigulated with dark fuscous; basal patch and central fascia fuscous, more ochreous towards disc, very ill-defined; outer edge of basal patch nearly straight, rather oblique; inner edge of central fascia running from before middle of costa to middle of inner margin, rather irregular, outer edge wholly suffused and obsolete; a longitudinal slender blackish line in central fascia below middle, above which is an ochreous patch; faint traces of a cloudy fuscous costal spot about ¾: cilia ochreous-whitish, with an indistinct grey line near base. Hindwings rather light grey, apex darker; cilia whitish, with traces of two grey lines.

A very obscurely marked insect, yet very different in appearance from any other.

One fine specimen taken amongst bush near Christchurch in March.


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Lower median vein of hindwings pectinated with hairs towards base; vein 2 of forewings rising before posterior third of lower margin of cell.
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{{c|12. {{sc|Epalxiphora}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax with a very large erect crest on each side of back, and a small double crest behind. Antennæ in male thinly ciliated. Palpi moderate, straight, porrected, second joint with appressed scales. Forewings with costa in male simple, apex falcate. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 moderately approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

A very peculiar genus, remote from any other known to me; it contains only one species.

{{c|28. ''Epalx. axenana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Media, alis ant. ochreo-albidis, dilute rufo-nebulosis, fascia angusta dentata antica, duabus aliis ad costam confluentibus, signo disci trirami, macula costæ triangulari, strigaque postica sinuata saturate rufis; post. griseo-albidis.

''Male.''—26 mm. Head and thorax whitish-ochreous, mixed with ochreous and dark fuscous. Forewings oblong, moderately broad, costa rather strongly arched, dilated before middle, apex falcate, hindmargin obliquely sinuate; whitish-ochreous, irregularly mixed and clouded with brownish-ochreous; veins posteriorly slenderly dark fuscous; markings ochreous-fuscous, becoming darker reddish-fuscous on costa and inner margin; outer edge of basal patch represented by a slender irregular, twice deeply dentate, fascia from ⅕ of costa to ⅖ of inner margin; margins of central fascia represented by similar slender irregular fasciæ, both starting together from ⅖ of costa, separating immediately below costa, anterior one proceeding nearly directly to inner margin beyond middle, posterior one sharply angulated&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{c|12. {{sc|Epalxiphora}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax with a very large erect crest on each side of back, and a small double crest behind. Antennæ in male thinly ciliated. Palpi moderate, straight, porrected, second joint with appressed scales. Forewings with costa in male simple, apex falcate. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 moderately approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

A very peculiar genus, remote from any other known to me; it contains only one species.

{{c|28. ''Epalx. axenana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Media, alis ant. ochreo-albidis, dilute rufo-nebulosis, fascia angusta dentata antica, duabus aliis ad costam confluentibus, signo disci trirami, macula costæ triangulari, strigaque postica sinuata saturate rufis; post. griseo-albidis.

''Male.''—26 mm. Head and thorax whitish-ochreous, mixed with ochreous and dark fuscous. Forewings oblong, moderately broad, costa rather strongly arched, dilated before middle, apex falcate, hindmargin obliquely sinuate; whitish-ochreous, irregularly mixed and clouded with brownish-ochreous; veins posteriorly slenderly dark fuscous; markings ochreous-fuscous, becoming darker reddish-fuscous on costa and inner margin; outer edge of basal patch represented by a slender irregular, twice deeply dentate, fascia from ⅕ of costa to ⅖ of inner margin; margins of central fascia represented by similar slender irregular fasciæ, both starting together from ⅖ of costa, separating immediately below costa, anterior one proceeding nearly directly to inner margin beyond middle, posterior one sharply angulated&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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A curious and rather elegant species, perhaps of South American affinity.

I took one specimen at rest on a tree-trunk at Wellington in January, and Mr. R. W. Fereday has a second from the same locality, taken in February.


{{c|13. {{sc|Aphelia}}, [[Author:James Francis Stephens|Stph.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate or elongate, porrected, roughly scaled. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 very closely approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

This genus cannot be considered truly indigenous to New Zealand, but I am not aware whether it could have been artificially introduced. The larva is believed to feed in the stems of ''Juncus'', but is hardly known. The species here described is now cosmopolitan in range.

29. ''Aph. lanceolana'', [[Author:Jacob Hübner|Hb.]]}}

Minor, alis ant. ochreis fuscisve, sæpius vitta media saturate fusca, interdum perfracta vel obsoleta; post. griseo-albidis.

''Male, female''.—14–20 mm. Head and thorax varying from whitish-ochreous to ochreous-brown; palpi variable in length, sometimes very long. Forewings narrow, not dilated, costa gently arched, hindmargin nearly straight, oblique; pale ochreous, often suffused with fuscous, sometimes wholly fuscous mixed with reddish-ochreous; costa generally with numerous very fine oblique darker strigulæ; sometimes a straight ill-defined dark fuscous central streak from base to apex, entire or interrupted so as to form two or three irregular spots, or visible at apex only, or wholly absent: cilia varying from whitish-ochreous to fuscous. Hindwings grey-whitish, apex sometimes darker; cilia grey-whitish, sometimes with a darker line.

Very variable, some of the varieties tending to be localized.

Taken near Hamilton in January.


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A curious and rather elegant species, perhaps of South American affinity.

I took one specimen at rest on a tree-trunk at Wellington in January, and Mr. R. W. Fereday has a second from the same locality, taken in February.


{{c|13. {{sc|Aphelia}}, [[Author:James Francis Stephens|Stph.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate or elongate, porrected, roughly scaled. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 from a point, 5 very closely approximated to 4 at base, 6 and 7 stalked.

This genus cannot be considered truly indigenous to New Zealand, but I am not aware whether it could have been artificially introduced. The larva is believed to feed in the stems of ''Juncus'', but is hardly known. The species here described is now cosmopolitan in range.

{{c|29. ''Aph. lanceolana'', [[Author:Jacob Hübner|Hb.]]}}

Minor, alis ant. ochreis fuscisve, sæpius vitta media saturate fusca, interdum perfracta vel obsoleta; post. griseo-albidis.

''Male, female''.—14–20 mm. Head and thorax varying from whitish-ochreous to ochreous-brown; palpi variable in length, sometimes very long. Forewings narrow, not dilated, costa gently arched, hindmargin nearly straight, oblique; pale ochreous, often suffused with fuscous, sometimes wholly fuscous mixed with reddish-ochreous; costa generally with numerous very fine oblique darker strigulæ; sometimes a straight ill-defined dark fuscous central streak from base to apex, entire or interrupted so as to form two or three irregular spots, or visible at apex only, or wholly absent: cilia varying from whitish-ochreous to fuscous. Hindwings grey-whitish, apex sometimes darker; cilia grey-whitish, sometimes with a darker line.

Very variable, some of the varieties tending to be localized.

Taken near Hamilton in January.


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This genus belongs to a group very extensively represented in the northern hemisphere, but practically absent from Australia. The single New Zealand species stands quite alone; I at first erroneously referred it to ''Cacoecia'', which it closely resembles in most respects, but the basal pectination, which I had overlooked, is strongly marked, and I have now no doubt of its true position.

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Media, alis ant. griseo-ochreis albidisve, fusco-strigulatis vel suffusis, linea angulata prope basim, fasciæ obliquæ marginibus ac parte superiore, macula costæ alteraque marginis postici saturate fuscis; post. griseo-albidis.

''Male, female''.—16–22 mm. Head and thorax pale ochreous or almost whitish, often suffused with fuscous; palpi elongate. Forewings moderately broad, in male posteriorly dilated, costa moderately arched, hindmargin sinuate, not oblique; pale greyish-ochreous or sometimes whitish, generally strigulated, and more or less irregularly suffused with fuscous or dark fuscous, sometimes wholly fuscous; costa shortly strigulated with dark fuscous; markings fuscous or dark fuscous, darkest in the paler specimens, nearly obsolete in the darker; outer edge of basal patch indicated by a darker line, sharply angulated above middle, lower ⅔ in male thick, generally conspicuously blackish-fuscous; central fascia from before middle of costa to before anal angle, costal third generally conspicuously darker fuscous or blackish-fuscous, moderate in male, very narrow in female, lower two-thirds strongly dilated, not darker than ground-colour except on edges, anterior edge more distinct, very irregular, posterior edge angulated near inner margin; a very ill-defined triangular costal spot about ¾, and a small spot towards middle of hindmargin, often connected by an oblique strigula; the large triangular space between basal patch and central fascia in male often conspicuously paler than rest of wing: cilia whitish-ochreous, with a fuscousgrey basal line. Hindwings grey-whitish or light grey, spotted with grey; cilia whitish, with two grey lines.

An exceedingly variable species, but always dull-coloured; some varieties of the female in colour and form approach the female of ''Cacoecia excessana'', and are only separated with ease by the family characters.
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Very common, and probably universally distributed, occurring at Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin, from November to April, and occasionally in June and July.


{{c|15. {{sc|Carpocapsa}}, [[Author:Georg Friedrich Treitschke|Tr.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male simple. Palpi moderate, ascending, appressed to face, second joint shortly rough-scaled beneath. Forewings with costa simple in male. Hindwings broader than forewings, in male with a short membranous ridge on lower median near base, and a grooved channel below it. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 8 veins, 3 and 4 stalked, 5 nearly parallel to 4, 6 and 7 separate,{{sic}}

Very distinct from any indigenous genus; represented only by one species, imported from Europe with the apple tree, on the fruit of which the larva feeds.

{{c|31. ''Carp. pomonella'', [[Author:Carl Linnaeus|L.]]}}

Minor, alis ant. griseis, strigulis transversis saturatioribus, macula magna postica fusco-cuprea, metallico-cincta, antice nigro-marginata; post. fuscis.

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The hindmarginal coppery patch makes this species immediately recognizable.

Taken at Wellington, but probably widely spread, though hitherto little noticed.


{{c|16. {{sc|Protithona}}, n. g.}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male shortly ciliated. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint roughly scaled. Forewings with strong costal fold in male. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 12 veins, 7 and 8 separate, 7 to hindmargin. Hindwings with 7 veins (normal veins 3 and 4 coincident), 4 somewhat approximated to 3 at base, 5 and 6 separate.

Intermediate between ''Holocola'', and ''Strepsiceros'', agreeing with the former in the entire antennæ of male, with the latter in the separation of veins 7 and 8 of the forewings, in other characters harmonizing with both. The single species has the superficial appearance of a small ''Holocola''.

{{c|32. ''Prot. fugitivana'', n. sp.}}

Minima, alis ant. griseo-ochreis, macula disci, duabus etiam dorsi divergentibus nigris, spatio intermedio ochreo-albido; post. griseis.

''Male''.—8 mm. Head, palpi, thorax, and abdomen pale greyish-ochreous, mixed with fuscous. Antennæ dark fuscous. Legs whitish-grey-ochreous, anterior and middle tibiæ and all tarsi suffused with dark fuscous, except at apex of joints. Forewings narrow, costa moderately arched, hindmargin very obliquely rounded; light greyish-ochreous; a suffused elongate blackish patch in disc above middle; an inwardly oblique suffused blackish mark on inner margin before middle, before which the ground-colour is somewhat mixed with blackish; an outwardly oblique slightly curved broad blackish spot from inner margin before anal angle, extending suffusedly to apex; the space between these three blackish marks is ochreous-whitish, which colour is suffusedly produced along submedian fold to base; three small suffused dark fuscous spots on costa towards apex: cilia ochreous-whitish, mixed with dark fuscous towards base. Hindwings fuscous-grey; cilia ochreous-grey-whitish.

One of the smallest and most insignificant-looking of the ''Tortricina'', in markings somewhat recalling ''Hol. thalassinana'', Meyr.

One specimen taken near Lake Coleridge in March.


{{c|17. {{sc|Strepsiceros}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

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A characteristic Australian genus; both the New Zealand species are found in Australia, whence it seems probable they may have been introduced.

{{c|33. ''Streps. ejectana'', [[Author:Francis Walker|Walk.]]}}
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Minor, alis ant. griseis, albido-sparsis, vitta longitudinali post medium deflexa, trianguloque marginis postici saturatioribus, nigro ochreoque mixtis; post. saturate griseis.

''Male, female''.—12½–15 mm. Head and thorax grey mixed with ashywhitish, shoulders ochreous-tinged. Antennæ of male notched at ⅕ from basal joint. Forewings moderate, slightly dilated posteriorly, costa gently arched, hindmargin nearly straight, oblique; light-grey, more or less sprinkled irregularly with whitish, and mixed with darker grey, disc in female sometimes longitudinally whitish; costa strigulated with blackish; in male a tuft of raised scales on submedian fold before middle; a cloudy irregular somewhat sinuate broad dark fuscous longitudinal streak in disc, mixed with ochreous and blackish, extending from near base to beyond middle, thence bent downwards to inner margin before anal angle; an ill-defined triangular dark fuscous blotch on upper half of hindmargin, sometimes ochreous-tinged, its apex extending inwards to disc at ¾, generally containing two or three longitudinal black streaks; in male these markings are lighter, less defined, and more or less obscured by a general grey mottling: cilia grey, mixed with whitish points, irregularly and indistinctly barred with blackish. Hindwings dark grey; cilia grey, with a dark-grey line near base; veins 3 and 4 long-stalked.

Easily known from the following by the broader wings, only partial coincidence of veins 3 and 4, and greater remoteness of the antennal notch from the basal joint; the markings are usually very different, but both species vary so much, and are sometimes so obscurely marked, that the structural points furnish the readiest means of distinction.

Larva active, cylindrical; dull green, more yellowish-tinged on sides and towards extremities, spots paler; head black; second segment, or posterior half only, black. Feeds in September in spun-together shoots, or in a loose tubular web amongst leaves, of ''Leptospermum scoparium;'' in Australia on other ''Myrtaceœ''.
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{{c|34. ''Streps. zopherana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Parva, alis ant. griseis, albido-sparsis, vitta subcostali nebulosa interrupta nivea, subtus partim nigro-marginata, macula parva supra angulum analem nigra; post. griseis.

''Male, female''.—11–12½ mm. Head and thorax grey irrorated with white, head sometimes almost wholly white. Antennæ of male notched at ⅛ from basal joint. Forewings very narrow, costa slightly arched, apex produced, hindmargin sinuate, very oblique; dark grey, irrorated with whitish, sometimes strigulated with dark fuscous; costa very obliquely strigulated with blackish-grey; a rather broad ill-defined white streak beneath costa from base to apex, crossed by an oblique dark grey fascia-like streak before middle, and three or four slender dark grey very oblique strigulæ between that and apex; middle of disc somewhat suffused with blackish; an ill-defined black spot above anal angle; a short black line bordering subcostal streak beneath towards apex; generally a row of about three ill-defined black dots above anal angle towards hindmargin, preceded and followed by an obscure silvery-metallic line: cilia dark grey, paler towards anal angle, with a blackish apical spot, costal cilia white. Hindwings thinly scaled, grey, darker at apex; cilia pale grey, with an indistinct darker line near base; veins 3 and 4 coincident.

Variable in distinctness and intensity of marking.

Generally abundant amongst ''Leptospermum scoparium'', on which the larva doubtless feeds; at Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch, and Dunedin, in August, September, January, and March.


{{c|18. {{sc|Hendecasticha}}, [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]}}

Thorax smooth. Antennæ in male ciliated, with an excavated notch near base. Palpi moderate, porrected, second joint densely rough-haired above and below. Forewings with strong costal fold in male. Hindwings broader than forewings. Forewings with 11 separate veins (normal veins 7 and 8 probably coincident), 7 to costa. Hindwings with 7 veins (normal veins 3 and 4 coincident), 4 approximated to 3 at base, 5 and 6 stalked.

Nearly allied to ''Strepsiceros'', but differing in only possessing 11 veins in the forewings. The genus contains only the one New Zealand species.

{{c|35. ''Hend. æthaliana'', [[Author:Edward Meyrick|Meyr.]]

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Parva, alis ant. saturate fuscis, strigulis transversis albidis obsoletis; post. saturate fuscis.
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A summer course for nuns teaching in the Czech and mixed Czech parish schools of Cleveland was given at St. Adalbert’s School by the Rev. [[Author:Ernest John Zizka|Ernest J. Zizka]] O. S. B., a member of the faculty of St. Procopius Colege, Lisle, Ill.
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REV. FR. ERNEST ŽIŽKA, O.S.B.
The course began on June 28th and lasted six weeks. It embraced three subjects: 1. Sociology (social and cultural life of the Czechs in America); 2. Czech American literature; and 3. Czech history. The course was sponsored by the American Alliance of Catholic Czechs, with headquarters in Chicago.

Two credits were granted for the completion of each of the three subjects in the course by St. Procopius College, which is accredited with the North Central Association of Secondary Schools and Colleges.

Father Ernest Zizka lectured not only himself but also secured prominent speakers to address the nuns. One of the first was the Rt. Rev. Abbot Valentine Kohlbeck O.S.B., who spoke about the work of the Czech Catholic newspapers in the United States, with which he had been connected for more than twenty years. Other lectures given were those by Mr. Vincent Kolda, president of the First Central Union of Catholic Men; and Mrs. R. Nedved, for a long time president of the Women’s Catholic Union. Doctor Theodore Kuska, Czechoslovak consul of Cleveland, spoke on “the Commercial, Political and Cultural Relationship of Czechoslovakia with America”. Dr. Emil de Sauze, professor of foreign languages in the Cleveland public schools, described the development of the “Cleveland plan”, of which he is the originator. He said that the principal aim of this plan is mental growth and thought stimulant, and the secondary thing is ability to read, understand, speak, write, and to acquire familiarity with the culture, ideals, and literature of the particular nation. The Rt. Rev. Msgr. Peter M. Cerveny spoke on the theme “Czech Builders of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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REV. FR. ERNEST ŽIŽKA, O.S.B.
The course began on June 28th and lasted six weeks. It embraced three subjects: 1. Sociology (social and cultural life of the Czechs in America); 2. Czech American literature; and 3. Czech history. The course was sponsored by the American Alliance of Catholic Czechs, with headquarters in Chicago.

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Father Ernest Zizka lectured not only himself but also secured prominent speakers to address the nuns. One of the first was the Rt. Rev. Abbot Valentine Kohlbeck O.S.B., who spoke about the work of the Czech Catholic newspapers in the United States, with which he had been connected for more than twenty years. Other lectures given were those by Mr. Vincent Kolda, president of the First Central Union of Catholic Men; and Mrs. R. Nedved, for a long time president of the Women’s Catholic Union. Doctor Theodore Kuska, Czechoslovak consul of Cleveland, spoke on “the Commercial, Political and Cultural Relationship of Czechoslovakia with America”. Dr. Emil de Sauze, professor of foreign languages in the Cleveland public schools, described the development of the “Cleveland plan”, of which he is the originator. He said that the principal aim of this plan is mental growth and thought stimulant, and the secondary thing is ability to read, understand, speak, write, and to acquire familiarity with the culture, ideals, and literature of the particular nation. The Rt. Rev. Msgr. Peter M. Cerveny spoke on the theme “Czech Builders of the&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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The nuns also heard the Rt. Rev. Joseph Schrembs, D. D., Bishop of Cleveland, who urged them to hold fast to the best traditions of their nation. His lordship pictured the two extremes, that of forgetting all about one’s ancestry and that of excessive and harmful nationalism, and warned the sisters against both.

“Rather”, said the bishop, “keep the best of your race traditions, the religion, customs, celebrations, the consciousness of a glorious past, with its saints, statesmen and heroes”.

The bishop also urged a speaking and reading proficiency of the native language by reason of its educational advantages and that he would like to see the wise preservation of the cultural heritage of every national group. He asked the sisters to cultivate an appreciation for the cultural heritage of the Czechs in the hearts of the children they teach.

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The nuns attending the summer school also prepared an elaborate exhibit of Czech Art and Literature, which was opened to the public every day from nine in the morning till four in the afternoon. The exhibit contained Czech folklore, painting, the national festivals, historical places. Czech civilization and history, literature, and national, parochial and fraternal journalism. Included in the exhibit was a complete collection of the thirty Bohemian publications in the U. S. Among these was the Catholic daily “{{lang|cs|Národ}}”, published by the Benedictine Fathers in Chicago, now in its 34th year, and an entire volume of the Czechoslovak Student Life monthly.

This exhibit as well as the entire course aroused the interest of the nuns as well as of the leading men of Cleveland. Czech and English newspapers frequently published reports about it. There can be no doubt about the cultural work done by Father [[SIC|Ziska|Zizka}} O.S.B. during the six weeks. He had given the same course in Chicago in 1926, and plans are being arranged to give a similar course in all the large cities in the U. S.

At present he is teaching not only at St. Procopius College but he is also giving a course to the nuns of the Czech schools in Chicago. He is offering the following subjects for which credit is given: Methods of modern language teaching, Czech American literature, and a practical study of the Czech language.
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An interesting point in Slovak life of the pre-christian era is their belief in gods. Some proof is forthcoming from old runes which have been found in and around Slovakia, for it must be remembered that at that time Slovakia extended south of the Danube and probably west of the Morava, for even to-day the people living there speak a Slovak dialect.

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{{lang|sk|Parom}} was the chief of all the gods, Like Jupiter he was the god of thunder, which is not suprising, for even to-day, thunder, of all nature’s wonders, bewilders one the most. The present Slovaks still use the name of this god, mostly as a curse word. Such as: “Would that {{lang|sk|Parom}} take you”, “Would that {{lang|sk|Parom}} visit you”, “A man of {{lang|sk|Parom}}”, etc., are even at present very common.

Another major god was {{lang|sk|Veles}}, who was the god of all the shepherds.

The third was a female goddess named {{lang|sk|Vesna}}, the goddess of spring and crops.

The fourth and very interesting goddess was {{lang|sk|Morena}}, the goddess of death. Her feast is celebrated in many places even to-day. The young ladies of a town, dressed in their Sunday best, elect one of the group, pin a cap to her hair, then in a sort of funeral procession walk thru the town with {{lang|sk|Morena}}, as they then call the young lady, holding her high above their heads. After that she is undressed and thrown into the stream. All this pictures the coming of spring. {{lang|sk|Morena}}, death, or winter, is done away with; and {{lang|sk|Vesna}}, spring, now takes her place banishing sorrow and bringing hope.

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An interesting point in Slovak life of the pre-christian era is their belief in gods. Some proof is forthcoming from old runes which have been found in and around Slovakia, for it must be remembered that at that time Slovakia extended south of the Danube and probably west of the Morava, for even to-day the people living there speak a Slovak dialect.

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Another major god was {{lang|sk|Veles}}, who was the god of all the shepherds.

The third was a female goddess named {{lang|sk|Vesna}}, the goddess of spring and crops.

The fourth and very interesting goddess was {{lang|sk|Morena}}, the goddess of death. Her feast is celebrated in many places even to-day. The young ladies of a town, dressed in their Sunday best, elect one of the group, pin a cap to her hair, then in a sort of funeral procession walk thru the town with {{lang|sk|Morena}}, as they then call the young lady, holding her high above their heads. After that she is undressed and thrown into the stream. All this pictures the coming of spring. {{lang|sk|Morena}}, death, or winter, is done away with; and {{lang|sk|Vesna}}, spring, now takes her place banishing sorrow and bringing hope.

The minor gods were more numerous, as has already been mentioned, and are widely known among the Slovak common folk even today.

{{lang|sk|Vily}}, the best known, were of a feminine nature, of a bewitching and beautiful form, and were believed to be the souls of those who had loved and died before they were married.

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{{lang|sk|Skriatok}} was a god possessing the form of a small black chick. To obtain his favor one would have to carry an egg, laid by black chicken, under his arm for seven weeks, during which time he was to recite certain prayers. At the end of the seven week a black chick would be hatched which was then to be put in the attic. A hole was drilled into the ceiling, through which money poured to those who possessed the chick or skriatok.

{{lang|sk|Svetlonos}} was believed to be spirit in the form of a small flying light (probably a fire-fly who led people to their destruction during the night.

{{lang|sk|Dedko}} was the fireside god who lived under the doorstep.

{{lang|sk|Rarasek}} was the god of wind and the people pictured him as the smallest evil spirit in hell.

{{lang|sk|Jezibaba}}, well known even now, was an ugly old woman with beard over a foot long. The witch in English seems to come close to the Slovak {{lang|sk|Jezibaba}}.

{{lang|sk|Hoja Dunda}} was some kind of crazed goddess and the Slovak of today call young women, who are a little too lively, “{{lang|sk|Hoja Dunda}}”.

At their burnt offerings the ancient Slovaks sacrificed animals, mostly chickens, bakery, honey cheese, and other foods. They also had drink offerings and the father of the family would, on the occasion of sacrifice, deliver a toast in some god’s honor.

Among other things connected with the pagan Slovak worship were the priests. Some were known as wizards, and travelled all over the land; others were stationed at a permanent place of sacrifice.

The Slovak burials resembled those of the Romans. The bodies were dressed in the best clothes; if the body was that of a warrior, his coat of arms went with him. The funeral pyre was built and after the fire consumed the corpse the ashes were put into an urn and preserved.

If a young unmarried man or lady died, the funeral was preceded by a marriage at which the dead body was married to the living one. The funeral over, a feas usually followed. Even here in America, the Slovaks today observe the custom of returning to the home of the deceased and having their little feast.

This paganism, by which the Slovak, no doubt, tried to satisfy his belief in a Creator, was replaced by Christianity in 863, which is the religion of the Slovaks today. May Christ always rule this devout and docile race.
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;fate overtook the Central Executive Committee of the All-Russian Soviet of Peasants' Delegates after it joined the fight for the Constituent Assembly through the time-honored revolutionary method of secret congresses and assemblies. This titanic struggle of the Russian peasantry against the new aggressors, who have taken the place of the old Tzarist oppressors, is told graphically by the Vice-Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Peasants' Congress, I. Rakitnikova, in her report to the Bureau of the Workers' Internationale, entitled, &quot;How the Russian Peasants Fought for the Constituent Assembly.&quot; This very interesting report proves by facts that the Russian peasantry has been opposed to the Bolsheviki from the very outset and that it only gave way to the sheer physical force lodged in the hands of the Bolsheviki. The Russian peasantry has continued incessantly to struggle against them and every issue of the Bolshevist papers (others were soon suppressed within the confines of Great Russia under their domination) has been full of news of peasant uprisings which aim at the overthrowal of the Bolshevist rule.

Workers in numerous factories are likewise continually adopting resolutions against the Bolshevist rule and their system of temporary administration, and this restlessness indicates that the discontent with the Bolsheviki is growing just as strong among the workers, in the ranks of the proletariat in the name of which the Bolsheviki have declared a dictatorship and in whose name they are oppressing the people. Since last summer they have kept in jail an entire convention of workers' representatives of Moscow, among whom there are such prominent revolutionists as L. Freifeld (an old member of the &quot;Narodnaya Volia&quot; of the eighties), A. Troyanovsky (a Social-Democrat and ex-Bolshevik), and many others.

Who of the old revolutionists who survived all the horrors of the autocracy of the Tzar and the rule of the gendarmes is to be found in the ranks of the Bolsheviki? Not Baboushka (Breshkovskaya), nor Tchaikovsky, nor Herman Lopatin, nor Lazarev; not the Central Committee of the Party of Social-Revolutionists, even the left wing of which swung away from the Bolsheviki after the shame of Brest-Litovsk; not the Mensheviki (Social-Democrats); not the Bundists or any others. You&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;don't find among them the old anarchist, Kropotkin,—in short, hardly anyone who before March, 1917, participated in the Revolutionary Movement. You can't find there anyone who is not allured by pretty phrases not based in fact, and the activities of the Bolsheviki, who are ready to work hand in hand with anyone who professes lip-service to their principles. What if these stray followers are discrediting the professions of those Bolsheviki who still continue to have faith in their own cause,—they worry little about it! They are grist to their mills and that is all they require. They have never inquired about the moral qualifications of their partisans and they do not inquire about it now.

Americans often ask the question: How can it be explained that the Bolsheviki hold power for almost a year and a half? Does not this prove that they are supported by the majority of the people?

For us, Russians, the reply to this question is very simple. The Tzars held power for centuries. Is that proof that their rule was supported by the will of the majority of the people and that it satisfied the wants of the people? Of course, not. They held power by the rule of blood and iron and did not rest at all upon the sympathies of the great masses of the people. The Bolsheviki are retaining their power to-day by the same identical means. And if, in the early period, there were some who had honest delusions about the introduction of a paradise on earth by means of Bolshevism, these delusions have been wiped out by this time. There is nothing but stark, crude force staring them in the face, and to-day all the revolutionary elements are against the Bolshevist government and are making ready to fight it, or are already engaged in the struggle against these new oppressors of Russia who are applying in practice the principles of the old gendarme rule.

Russia of the Tzarist times was governed by blue gendarmes. Great Russia of to-day is ruled by red gendarmes. The distinction is only in color, and perhaps somewhat in methods. The methods of the red gendarmes are more ruthless and cruel than those of the old, blue gendarmes.

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{{rule}}&lt;/noinclude&gt;Bolsheviki in the name of Liberty and the People's rule, and, of course, their efforts will be crowned with success. For, while strivings for freedom may be deterred by bayonets, they cannot be stayed or suppressed, even by the use of hired Chinese bayonets, no matter how plentiful!

Russian revolutionists have known how to fight and overcome their oppressors. These Russian revolutionists, the true fighters for the liberties of the people, are to-day being called by some &quot;counter-revolutionists.&quot; But it must be remembered that this epithet is being applied to them only by the Bolsheviki, the self-same people who, in November, 1917, in cooperation with the old agents of the Okhrana, brought about their monarchist-Bolshevist counter-revolution.
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Go down to your deep old heart, woman, and lose sight of yourself.
And lose sight of me, the me whom you turbulently loved.
Let us lose sight of ourselves, and break the mirrors.
For the fierce curve cf our lives is moving again to the depths
out of sight, in the deep dark living heart.

But say, in the dark wild metal of your heart
is there a gem, which came into being between us?
is there a sapphire of mutual trust, a blue spark?
Is there a ruby of fused being, mine and yours, an inward glint?

If there is not, O then leave me, go away.
For I cannot be bullied back into the appearances of love,
any more than August can be bullied to look like March.

Love out of season, especially at the end of the season
is merely ridiculous.
If you insist on it, I insist on departure.
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{{ppoem|The battle’s done; the war is won; the spoils the victor takes.
The mother stares at lists of men to see if one is there
With gold star stuck behind his name; yet hope within her wakes
That once again she’ll kiss the son who gave her so much care.
In vain she looks; his name’s not there. She turns to see with joy
The doughboys leaping off the train; she hopes to see him there,
Just one of all those thousands, she could call her own dear boy.
She sees her neighbors son, radiant, with joyous glare
Take up his mother in his arms and hold her there so long.
If only her boy would step out, so she that bliss could share.
She sees the sweethearts greet their boys ’mid shouts and gleeful song:
She sees a friend here meet a friend, and enemies now dare
To shake their hands. But her boy was not among them; he stepped
Not off that train, now puffing out its clouds of smoke and steam
As it rolls out of the station. “Twas some misnomer crept
Into her heart—she ran after that train and wished to scream
To make it stop. A doughboy stopped her there, it was his pal.
He told her how her boy had fought; he answered someones call,
And in that answering heroically gave life for life
On that battlefield where blood runs wild in human strife.
The mother listened tearlessly, to all this, in a haze;
Then gave vent to feelings pent as when a heart decays.

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To pray for her dear boy. Sherman was right that war is hell.
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&lt;section begin=&quot;s1&quot; /&gt;{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-bottom:1em|'''GOOD KING WENCESLAV.'''}}
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On the feast of Stephen,
When the snow lay round about,
Deep, and crisp and even;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Gath’ring winter fuel.

Hither, page, and stand by me,
If thou know’st it, telling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?
“Sire he lives a good league hence,
Underneath the mountain;
Right against the forest fence,
By St. Agnes’ fountain”.

“Bring me flesh and bring me wine,
Bring me pine-logs, hither;
Thou and I will see him dine
When we bear them thither”.
Page and monarch forth they went,
Forth they went together.
Thro’ the rude wind’s wild lament,
And the bitter weather.

“Sire the night is darker now,
And the wind blows stronger;
Fails my heart I know not how,
I can go no longer”.
“Mark my foot-steps, my good page,
Tread thou in them boldly;
Thou shalt find the winter’s rage
Freeze thy blood less coldly.

In his master’s steps he trod,
Where the snow lay dinted;
Heat was in the very sod,
Which the saint had printed;
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
Wealth or rank possessing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
Shall yourselves find blessing.
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{{ppoem|The battle’s done; the war is won; the spoils the victor takes.
The mother stares at lists of men to see if one is there
With gold star stuck behind his name; yet hope within her wakes
That once again she’ll kiss the son who gave her so much care.
In vain she looks; his name’s not there. She turns to see with joy
The doughboys leaping off the train; she hopes to see him there,
Just one of all those thousands, she could call her own dear boy.
She sees her neighbors son, radiant, with joyous glare
Take up his mother in his arms and hold her there so long.
If only her boy would step out, so she that bliss could share.
She sees the sweethearts greet their boys ’mid shouts and gleeful song:
She sees a friend here meet a friend, and enemies now dare
To shake their hands. But her boy was not among them; he stepped
Not off that train, now puffing out its clouds of smoke and steam
As it rolls out of the station. “Twas some misnomer crept
Into her heart—she ran after that train and wished to scream
To make it stop. A doughboy stopped her there, it was his pal.
He told her how her boy had fought; he answered someones call,
And in that answering heroically gave life for life
On that battlefield where blood runs wild in human strife.
The mother listened tearlessly, to all this, in a haze;
Then gave vent to feelings pent as when a heart decays.

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To pray for her dear boy. Sherman was right that war is hell.
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On the feast of Stephen,
When the snow lay round about,
Deep, and crisp and even;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Gath’ring winter fuel.

Hither, page, and stand by me,
If thou know’st it, telling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?
“Sire he lives a good league hence,
Underneath the mountain;
Right against the forest fence,
By St. Agnes’ fountain”.

“Bring me flesh and bring me wine,
Bring me pine-logs, hither;
Thou and I will see him dine
When we bear them thither”.
Page and monarch forth they went,
Forth they went together.
Thro’ the rude wind’s wild lament,
And the bitter weather.

“Sire the night is darker now,
And the wind blows stronger;
Fails my heart I know not how,
I can go no longer”.
“Mark my foot-steps, my good page,
Tread thou in them boldly;
Thou shalt find the winter’s rage
Freeze thy blood less coldly.

In his master’s steps he trod,
Where the snow lay dinted;
Heat was in the very sod,
Which the saint had printed;
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
Wealth or rank possessing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
Shall yourselves find blessing.
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{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-top:0.75em;margin-bottom:1em|'''GREETING.'''
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{{ppoem|I greet you wood and forest, I greet you with
A spirit the world has maimed; weakened
By lies and overworked, until its sight
Has waned. ’Tis you, O whispering greens,
Who will restore to life and resurrect,
Bedew and heal the festering wound;
Who will bestow on us the treasures of
Your womb—your love. O home of everlasting
Truth, where traitors arm had never reached,
O Mother, without asking who or what,
Leadest man into thy loving bosom; just
One moment in its resting calm dispels
All pain, the chains of bondage drop and all
Our sorrow ceases. Just one whisper of
The forest, just one melody of mountain
Fall and my soul is lifted upward and
My spirit is beside itself with joy.
New hope releaves my slavery, heart throbs are
Reborn; one circle of the eagle, just
One falcon’s dizzy flight, just one shrill whistle
In the silent forest and a single flash
Of camp fire in the night, and then my soul
Is gripped by freedom, flickering, flashing into
Tongues, flying on high with wings of light
Like meteors of the night. One moment, like
The motion of a hair when in the wind,
The vision may be mine, to see the secret
Chambers of wood and forest. Friends, I greet you.
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{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-top:0.75em;margin-bottom:1em|'''Fall.'''}}
{{ppoem|’Tis fall-the bright green hues are turned to gold,
And ev’n the mites that in summer were bold
Are hushed; their cries of life are hear’d no more.
The ant, the fruit of work laid by in store,
Is huddled and sleeps, content in some tree’s core.
The bird, once more sings his lullaby
To give his hunting grounds the last good-by.
It is the law of life-to spring, to bloom
And go to its salvation or its doom.
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{{c|nomargin=yes|style=margin-top:0.75em;margin-bottom:1em|'''THE JESTER TO THE BROOK.'''}}
{{ppoem|We two must laugh. You must laugh with me,
While men’s eyes are on us, while men can see.

We two gave the world all its laughter.
It must not know that not long after

It is asleep, your laugh becomes the wailing
Of a soul that’s sick, of a heart that is ailing{{...|4}}

They must not know, they who lie abed,
That I laugh with my lips, that my heart is dead.

They must not know that while they sleep
We, who taught them laughter,—weep.
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:Are harmed unless we pay,
When shall we struggle to be just?
:To-day, my friend, to-day.}}
{{float right|—[[Author:Charles Mackay (1814-1889)|Mackay]]: Procrastination.|1.5em}}
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Here, for the last time, we have episodic stories; admissible enough in a book which, for all its faults, smacks so of the leisurely old fiction. In ''[[The Old Curiosity Shop]]'', which came next, there is more originality of design: one does not smell the footlights, but has, instead, delicious wafts of freshness from the fields and lanes of England. Of course we find an initial vice of construction, inseparable from Dickens's habit at that time of beginning to write without any settled scheme. Master Humphrey opens&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;</text>
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Have you no deep old heart of wild womanhood
self-forgetful, and gemmed with experience,
and swinging in a strange unison of power
with the heart of the man you are supposed to have loved?

If you have not, go away.
If you can only sit with a mirror in your hand, an ageing woman
posing on and on as a lover,
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your own self—that has passed like a last summer's flower—
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I do not want a woman whom age cannot wither.
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All I ask of a woman is that she shall feel gently towards me
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Have you no deep old heart of wild womanhood
self-forgetful, and gemmed with experience,
and swinging in a strange unison of power
with the heart of the man you are supposed to have loved?

If you have not, go away.
If you can only sit with a mirror in your hand, an ageing woman
posing on and on as a lover,
in love with a self that now is shallow and withered,
your own self—that has passed like a last summer's flower—
then go away—

I do not want a woman whom age cannot wither.
She is a made-up lie, a dyed immortelle
of infinite staleness.
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All I ask of a woman is that she shall feel gently towards me
when my heart feels kindly towards her,
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and there shall be the soft, soft tremor as of unheard
bells between us.
It is all I ask.
I am so tired of violent women lashing out and insisting
on being loved, when there is no love in them.
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{{tpp|THE UNIVERSE FLOWS{{ld}}|
THE universe flows in infinite wild streams, related
in rhythms too big and too small for us to know,
since man is just middling, and his comprehension just middling.

If once, for a second, the universe ceased to flow
of course it would cease to exist.
The thought is unthinkable, anyhow.

Only man tries not to flow,
repeats himself over and over in mechanical monotony of conceit
and hence is a mess.

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and there shall be the soft, soft tremor as of unheard
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It is all I ask.
I am so tired of violent women lashing out and insisting
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